Volume Fourteen Number One SCHOOL OF MINES AND METALLURGY UNIVERSITY of MISSOURI BULLETIN JANUARY, 1922 General Series A SYMPOSIUM ON MINING AND METALLURGICAL EDUCATION ROLLA, MISSOURI Entered as Second-Class Matter January 7, 1911, at Post-Office at Holla, Missouri, under the Aet of July 18, 1894. Issued Quarterly SCHOOL of MINES and METALLURGY UNIVERSITY of MISSOURI MINING AND METALLURGICAL EDUCATION A Collection of Papers on the Subject, in- cluding the Discussion Presented at the Meeting of the Committee on Education and Public Service of the American Mining Congress, Chicago, October, IQ21. Edited by Charles H. Fulton A LIST OF ARTICLES ON ENGINEERING EDUCATION By Mrs. H. O. Norvillk, Librarian ROLLA, MISSOURI 1922 COMMITTEE ON PUBLICATIONS. WILLIAM DEGARMO TURNER Professor of Chemistry MRS. HOWARD 0. NORVILLE Librarian OSCAR ADAM HENNING Instructor in German PIERRE CELESTIN CAMBIAIRE Instructor in Spanish and French. 13) TABLE OF CONTENTS. Page. The education of a mining engineer — T. A. Rickard 7 Symposium on mining education 19 Papers and informal discussions at the meeting of the American Mining Congress, October, 1921, in re- sponse to a questionnaire sent out by the Committee on Education and Public Service. Can an efficient course in mining be given in four years? Robert Peele 57 Training in college for the practice of metallurgy — Ernest A. Hersam 65 Remarks on technical education. — Albert Sauveur 81 Mining and metallurgical education. — F. A. Wildes 83 Remarks on mining education. — D. J. Demorest 86 Notes on the subject of mining and metallurgical educa- tion. — G. Chester Brown 88 List of references on engineering education. — Mrs. H. O. Norville 89 (5) BULLETIN OF THE School of Mines and Metallurgy UNIVERSITY OF MISSOURI GENERAL SERIES VOL. 14 JANUARY, 1922. NO. 1 SYMPOSIUM ON ENGINEERING EDUCATION. The Education of a Mining Engineer. * By T. A. Rickard. When starting a discussion it is well to begin by defining the terms to be used. What is a mining engineer? The word 'mine' comes from the Latin mina, an excavation underground for destroy- ing a fortification; later it meant a hole in Avhich an explosive was placed for a belligerent purpose. Thus we have the word 'under- mine.' Hamlet says: "But I will delve one yard below their mines, And blow them at the moon." Tho original meaning of the word 'mine' survives in 'menace,' a threat, and in 'minatory,' a synonym for 'threatening.' The word 'engineer' likewise comes to us from the technology of the Roman soldier, for it is derived from ingcnium, a military device, a war- engine, a battering ram. The derivation is more evident in the French spelling, ingenieur. The idea of inventiveness survives in the word 'ingenious,' and it fits the engineer, who is skillful in originating. The military connotation of the two words 'mining' and 'engineer' was revived during the recent war, when our pro- fessional friends and kinsmen came from the Yukon and California, from New Zealand and Missouri, from the remotest corners of the earth, to join in fighting in behalf of the great cause. One member of our profession, Ralph S. G. Stokes, who in the first week of the war, went from New York to London to enlist as a private in the British regiment of Royal Engineers and rose by force of merit to the rank of Lieutenant-Colonel, served as 'Controller of Mines' ♦Address delivered on the occasion of tho Semi-Contenary of the School of Mines, Novembers, 1021. (7) 8 MISSOURI SCHOOL OF MINES in Flanders; he supervised the preparations for the tremendous 'blow,' or explosion, at Messines on June 6, 1916. That was a truly great 'mine' in the original sense of the word. You will recall Mark Twain's definition of a mine as "a hole in the ground owned by a liar." The definition is amusing; but many an un.true word is said in jest; the liar is not the honest prospector of whom we think as the owner of a young mine, but a much less responsible person, the promoter, whose regard for truth is so great that he rarely uses it, the so-called fiscal agent who converts an honest excavation into a purring 'wild-cat,' with claws — and whiskers! I insist that the mining engineer is con- nected with a legitimate form of industry, the main purpose of which is to make money by winning the valuable metals and minerals from their rocky matrix within the crust of the earth. The object of mining is not — as is supposed by some — to spoil the scenery of the beautiful parts of the earth or to afford employment to the sons and nephews of the favored few. Nor is it the primary purpose of mining to obtain cross-sections for the elucidation of geologic problems or to gather data concerning the increment of temperature in depth. No; the motive of mining is neither aca- demic nor altruistic; it is, in plain English, to make money, honestly, by producing the metals and minerals essential to the very existence of our material civilization. Engineering has been defined as "the art of directing the great forces of Nature for the use and con- venience of man." That is the motto of the Institution of Civil Engineers in England. On the United Engineering Societies building in New York it is written: "Engineering, the art of organizing and directing men, and controlling the forces and materials of nature for the benefit of the human race." This is idealistic, and not wholly true, for the art of engineering is applied usually not with benevolent purpose but for honorable gain — to the engineer himself, to his employer, to the community, but rarely for the express benefit of the human race. That is too large an order. Again, it does not seem to me correct to define engineering as "the art of organizing and directing men." That is pre- eminently the art of the politician! A man can be a great engineer without ever taking charge of the men that do the work of con- struction. He is better for the experience, but it is not essential to his art. However, when we do think of mining engineering as used for the benefit of mankind, we think of Herbert C. Hoover, who applied his experience as a manager of mines to a great humanitarian task. He fed ten millions of Belgians and French at a total administrative expenditure of less than half of 1 % — to be exact, 0.42% — of the cost of the entire operation. That reminds me of a story. Several years ago Mr. Hoover was crossing the Atlantic and happened to sit at table next to a British gentlewoman of the MINING AND METALLURGICAL EDUCATION 9 early Victorian type. After passing the salt and offering the Worcester sauce once or twice, he became acquainted with her as one does aboard ship. He told her of his travels in China and Mexico, in Australia and Burma, and she found the young man both agreeable and interesting. Near the end of the voyage, by which time they had become pleasantly acquainted, she asked him, "What are you, Mr. Hoover?" He answered, "An engineer." "Oh!" she exclaimed, "I thought you were a gentleman!" She thought an engineer was an engine-driver; and probably to her a gentleman meant a person without visible means of support. If she lived to the time of the Great War and read of Mr. Hoover's achievements as dispenser of nutrition in Europe and as Food Administrator in the United States, she may, in her quiet home in rural England, have awakened to the fact that an 'engineer' may be several kinds of a man, and sometimes, as Shakespeare says, "he is a proper man's picture." Well, what is a mining engineer? I know of only one defini- tion that is sufficiently comprehensive: he is a man that does the work of a mining engineer, namely, the management of mines, the examination and appraisal of them, the work of surveying under- ground, the planning and devising of ways and means for winning ore. A degree from a University or a School of Mines does not make a mining engineer; the degree merely certifies to an adequate scholastic preparation for the work. Many graduates from mining schools have never practiced the profession for which they were prepared; they have become brokers or druggists, for example. On the other hand, sundry brokers and druggists have dropped their original vocations and learned enough of the art of mining to examine mines, to appraise them, and even to manage them. When they did that they were mining engineers — some of them may not have been the best of their kind, but they earned the designation by doing the work. I am reminded of the New York City boy who was on a summer excursion in the country and asked the teacher, "What kind of a 'boid' is that?" You know that the boys from the East Side say 'thoity-thoid' for 33rd, 'foist' for first, and 'boid' for bird. So this boy asked, "What kind of a 'boid' is that?" The teacher said, "That is not a 'boid', it is a bird." "But," replied the boy, "it makes a noise like a 'boid.' " It did. So a man that makes a noise like a mining engineer — talks like one, does his work like one — is a mining engineer, whether he be duly certified or not. In some States he must be licensed, and if he can show a diploma it is easier for him to obtain a license — for example, a shorter period of apprenticeship is required — but otherwise he has the same chance as his friends — for they are friends — whom we may term 'diplomatic' because they have diplomas. It is well that this should be so, for our American ideal is the equality of opportunity; we recognize no privileged class, even of scholars; 10 MISSOURI SCHOOL OF MINES it would be unfair to debar any young man from reaping the reward of the training that is acquired in irregular ways, by night study, by association with helpful seniors, by reading, observing, and experiencing the things requisite to the development of capac- ity as a professional man. Several honored members of our profession entered it by the side-door — not the back. One dis- tinguished veteran was a carpenter and the son of a carpenter, with none of the advantages typified by such an institution as the Missouri School of Mines. Another began life as a sailor; a third, as an accountant; a fourth, as a botanist. I am speaking of men now acknowledged to be in the first rank. Many, of course, began life as laborers in mines and mills; starting to do manual work when their more fortunate comrades of the future were still at school. The chief difference between them and the 'regulars' — those who underwent the conventional training — is that they acquired their knowledge more slowly, more laboriously, and they reached posi- tions of emolument comparatively late in life. The chief purpose of school or college is to learn how to learn. The preparatory school to which I went has for its motto: " Non scholae sed vitae discimus." "We learn not for school but for life." It is perfectly logical, for example, when licensing a man as an engineer or ad- mitting him to membership in a professional society, to require, as a qualification, more years of responsible service from a non- graduate than from a graduate, because an unschooled mind' is slower to apprehend than one that has been trained. Here we come to the definition of education. Education is the process of educating; the word is derived from the Latin e, out, and ducere, to lead; it means the leading out or bringing forth of the innate powers of an individual; it means the bringing up or rearing of a child; and it applies to the children of a larger growth, to us all, whose education continues throughout life, until our mental faculties become atrophied. 'Live' and 'learn' are con- joined advisedly, for when we cease to learn we may as well die. It is said that John Richard Green, the historian, asked that his epitaph might be, "He died learning." So we have considered the meaning of the terms used in our subject, the education of a mining engineer. It means the proper training of the young man who intends to do the special work that is required in connection with mining. Mining is an art, or a skillful method of doing things; to it the various sciences are applied with a view to improving the method. So we learn mathe- matics, mechanics, physics, mineralogy, and geology; the knowl- edge obtained is less important to us than the manner in which it is obtained, for what we learn in a school or a college is of small consequence, and soon forgotten, as compared with the training of our mental faculties so that we may be able to think clearly, observe accurately, and state truthfully. This we cannot do unless MINING AND METALLURGICAL EDUCATION 11 we use our language properly, for truthfulness of statement depends upon the proper use of the words that are the symbols of thought. Therefore we engineers should learn how to speak and write — particularly to write — intelligently and intelligibly. Of all the instruments of precision used by a mining engineer the one that he uses most is his own language — the language that came from the old country, from Chaucer and Spenser, from Steele and Addison, from Shakespeare and Milton. It is a beautiful language and a flexible instrument of expression. Our mining engineers are well grounded in the various 'ologies;' they have been well drilled in the requisite number of sciences; but they do not appear to see the prime necessity of acquiring the one accomplishment without which the others may prove ineffectual. I shall speak plainly. During recent years public attention has been drawn to the need of teaching English, more particularly to those who are under- going training for an engineering career, because it has become recognized that our profession is sadly lacking in the ability to speak and write effectively. We — you and I — may be especially critical of this defect because we know that is necessary to use the language correctly in describing or discussing technical opera- tions and ideas; but defective English is common to our American youth generally — boys and girls alike. Much has been said on the subject and many are the causes to which these shortcomings are ascribed. I venture to be frank with you in stating that one cause is our democratic way of living. Do not mistake me; I am keenly in sympathy with the democratic idea; I believe it to be the best stimulus for the further progress of our civilization, and I believe that the destiny of our country is to develop the idea of democracy for the benefit not only of ourselves but of the world at large. If we are intellectually honest, however, we must recog- nize the fact that democracy levels down as well as up. For example, you and I, the audience and the speaker, belong to the professional class, a class that is differentiated not by wealth but by education, by the possession and use of brains that have been trained for our several vocations. Our children go to the public schools, which follow the democratic custom of allowing all chil- dren, of whatever class, to share the same instruction. I use the word 'class' as the equivalent of 'type,' not to signify any recognized social stratification as in Europe. Our children at school sit side by side with others that come from homes where defective English is spoken, from the homes of aliens who have not learned to speak our language properly, from the homes of those of our own native stock who did not go to school in their youth or who for other reasons are illiterate. The children sit together and they play together, in good democratic fashion; they acquire the same habits of speech; the young negro, the young Japanese, the young Italian, the grocer's boy, the hod-carrier's son, the laborer's girl, the par- 12 MISSOURI SCHOOL OF MINES son's son, the professor's daughter, all sympathetically and natur- ally acquire the same kind of language. The result is that those who speak it badly learn to speak it less badly, whereas those who speak it well, learn to speak it less well. That is why the children of our professional men do not speak as well as their similars in England, whereas the children of the laborer, the hod-carrier, the plumber, and the grocer speak and write much better than their similars in the old country. There the sons of professional men go to school with the sons of other professional men — to schools that resemble our private schools— where they do not associate with those reared in illiteracy. The effect is to perpetuate a social distinction; to make good speech a mark of class. We obliterate the class distinction, we sacrifice the facility for acquiring correct speech to the supreme ideal of our democracy, namely, an equality of opportunity. I do not cavil at it; it is worth while, but we must recognize the penalty — a small one relatively — that we pay for the sake of our ideal. Next comes the question, should we continue this system of education in common although it have a result prejudicial to a part of the community? Speaking broadly it seems to me that we should continue to sacrifice the literacy of a few for the sake of educating the many, and that a division of our children according to class or vocation would be a step backward; but we can remedy the obvious consequence by insisting upon more and better teach- ing of English in our schools and universities. For example, our mining schools should make it a part of their duty to improve the speech and writing of their students by maintaining a class in English at least for the freshmen, as most of them do already, and by requiring a good standard of writing throughout the successive years spent in technical education. An examination paper in mechanics or mineralogy, in physics or geology, should be required to reach a standard not only in the knowledge of the science but also in the art of expression. It may be said that it is no part of the duty of a School of Mines to teach English, which should have been taught to the student in the high-school. The answer is that we face a condition, not a theory; and if the students come insufficiently trained in a matter so important as the use of their language, it is only fair and wise to give them the necessary train- ing before it may be too late. I note that in this School of Mines three hours per week during the first and second years are allotted to English; in this respect you set a good example. Next I shall refer to another cause of poor speech and bad writing. Many of our young men seem to think it democratic and American to talk in a slovenly way; and the habit, I think, affects their writing. When college graduates start to work at the mines they desire to seem "practical" as soon as possible, and in order to be friendly with the workmen they are deliberately careless in their MINING AND METALLURGICAL EDUCATION 13 speech, avoiding nicety of expression as if it were effeminate. Some, I am sorry to say, appear to think it necessary to imitate the "mucker" and acquire methods of speech common to illiterate workmen, as if it were manly, as if in protest against the highbrow or academic cult. In consequence, many young fellows from homes of refinement, the sons of well educated parents, the grad- uates of great colleges, the pupils of distinguished scholars, talk and write deplorably. It is a huge blunder to suppose that such a failing is either democratic or American. To be either one or the other it is not necessary to be unseemly in manner or uncouth in speech; on the contrary, I say with confidence that a young American democrat should aim to be as courteous in manner, as decent in bearing, and as correct in speech as any aristocrat of the old world, but he should be just 15% more intelligent. It is in- telligence that classifies men in a democracy. The greatest demo- crat of all, Abraham Lincoln, did not think it improper to speak and write carefully. In his public utterances, spoken or written, he endeavored to use good English; indeed, he developed a skill that made his speeches and writings models of classic excellence. It remains a perpetual miracle that a man with so few educational advantages should have acquired such a mastery of the language that the best of his utterances are unexcelled in the literature of our race. The Gettysburg speech and the Second Inaugural ad- dress are, and will remain forever, models of exquisite diction and consummate oratory. How did Lincoln acquire this remarkable skill? First, he had few books to read, but they were of the best: the Bible, "Pilgrim's Progress," Shakespeare, Aesop's "Fables," and Blackstone. His mind sought good company. He walked miles to borrow a book on grammar and he gave his spare time to it while tending the village store. I like to think of young Lincoln lying at full length on the counter of Greene's store at New Salem, his head propped on a pile of calico prints, while he read "Kirk- ham's Grammar," or sitting in the shade of a tree while he studied Blackstone's "Commentaries," which he found among some dis- carded papers at the bottom of a barrel. He did not have to read the yellow press of today or even the dialect stories in our current magazines; so he escaped the contagion of jargon. His Gettys- burg speech contains only three words not in the Bible; they are "continent," "proposition," and "civil," but all three are to be found i n Shakespeare. He drank freely at that well of English undefiled, the King James version of the Bible. The language of the Bible and of Shakespeare is the best part of our familiar speech. Here 1 may mention that now no student at Harvard can receive his degree without passing an examination in the Bible; indeed, the authorities at Cambridge rank the Bible and Shakespeare as "two works of literature without which an adequate appreciation of English letters is impossible." This rule is not prompted by 14 MISSOURI SCHOOL OF MINES devotional or religious motives, but by the same cultural con- siderations as caused Huxley to advocate the reading of the Bible in the public schools of London. To good books Lincoln owed much; but in part his astonishing skill was due to another cause, only recently made known. He lived in an illiterate community and among people who spoke badly; when listening to his associates and hearing their yarns in the local store he noted their inability to express themselves successfully; he thought about it, and made the experiment of putting their sayings into more careful language; he would go home and write down the story that had been told clumsily and then proceed to put it into better words; that is, he edited what his friends had said. Thus he gained skill in the- use of speech; he realized that there was a technique of language and he set himself to acquire it; and he did acquire the technique so thoroughly that his words, warmed by his genius and glorified by his spirit, will echo forever down the corridors of time. So, gentlemen, no American can say that it. is undemocratic to speak like a gentleman or to write like a scholar. On the con- trary, we technical men, who have to deal with subjects requiring precise presentation, should be particularly desirous of using the instrument of expression with care. The difference between good and bad writing is chiefly the difference between being careful and being careless. It is not difficult if one desires to do so, to learn to write respectably. To acquire the art of Lincoln, of Ruskin, or of Stevenson there is needed more than care, more than conscious effort; but ordinary skill, sufficient for most of us, can be acquired by anyone willing to take pains. Genius has been described as one part inspiration and nine parts perspiration; we can be nine-tenths of a genius if we have the capacity for working with sincerity of purpose. Only recently I overheard a woman say to m her companion in a suburban train: "I'd like to be able to write clearly without stopping to think about it." She was one of many, of those who would like to do a thing well without the trouble of thinking; but it cannot be done in respect of anything to which thought is essen- tial. However, she was not unlike some of my young friends in the mining engineering profession who use the chisel of language as if it were a screw-driver. It is astonishing how many graduates from universities will write: "The data is sufficient," "the propa- ganda are objectionable," "the agenda was printed." An Assistant Principal in a School of Metallurgy wrote to me that he observed "this same phenomena in other kinds of glass;" and, as if to show that the error was not inadvertent, he repeated it twice. When I wrote in a kindly way to warn him, he apologized, but intimated that he was rather pleased with his skill in writing. How often we read of proposals to tax "the necessities of life," as if being subject to necessities were not sufficient cause for unhappiness MINING AND METALLURGICAL EDUCATION 15 without our being taxed on account of them. The tax is levied on the "necessaries," the staple articles, not the necessities that they satisfy. This use of the abstract instead of the concrete is charac- teristic of the windy utterances of politicians. It reminds me of the Babu — a half-educated Hindoo — who, when declining an in- vitation on account of the death of his mother, wrote: "Regret I cannot come, the hand that rocked the cradle has kicked the bucket." Well, I have said enough concerning one phase of the educa- tion of mining engineers; if I say more you will charge me with attempting to make journalists of them. After all, before one writes one must have something to say. As to that, I doubt if any men have more opportunities to gain information and to see the world at large than the members of our profession. American engineers have gone to the remotest corners of the globe, follow- ing the lead of their British comrades. In South Africa and Western Australia they have made their mark; in Canada and South America they fill today many of the chief positions in the management of famous mining enterprises. They have partici- pated in the development of the principal mines of Siberia. Just now the shrinkage of capital and the temporary abatement of the spirit of mining adventure have restricted their activities abroad, but the time is coming when they will be called again in large numbers to foreign fields of activity. The reason they are wanted is because they are efficient, particularly in their clear-headed appreciation of the business side of mining, plus an intimate acquaintance with the latest technology. The United States can boast many excellent mining schools — that of Missouri is one — but the reason why our men are effective is due to the larger fact that the United States is a great mining country; indeed, it is a conti- nental area in which are found many mining regions of diversified character, yielding nearly every one of the metals and minerals re- quired by our material civilization. We may be short of tin and anti- mony; we may not possess deposits of chrome and manganese so generous as those to be found elsewhere; but in a broad way our country is exceptionally endowed with mineral resources. There- fore it offers a post-graduate school of mining unsurpassed in the world at any period of human history. Another condition favorable to the development of eompetenl mining engineers in the United States is the social status of our profession. If one of you were to take a young Englishwoman in to dinner and ask her what was her idea of a mining engineer, she would say, probably: "A somewhat nomadic person connected with queer doings on the Stock Exchange." An American girl would reply differently; she would, I believe, intimate that the mining engineer was a half-back with a scientific education, com- petent to dig gold out of the ground and to manage men at least 16 MISSOURI SCHOOL OF MINES as well as the colonel of a regiment. In England the mining engineer ranks socially below the officers of the army and navy, below the barrister and physician, below the people who live on the rents from land and the coupons from bonds; indeed, the pro- fession is so young compared with the survivals of an ancient system that it has not yet come into its own. In our country the mining engineer may call at the White House and shake hands with the President as a matter of course. When Cecil Rhodes estab- lished his scholarships at Oxford he aimed to promote international goodwill, but, although he had gained his wealth in mining, it did not occur to him to found a College of Mines at Oxford. If he had done that, he would have accomplished a great benefaction for the profession and for the mining industry of the British empire, but such an educational foundation would have been a complete departure from British tradition — especially at Oxford, ''the home of lost causes and forsaken beliefs." In our own country the chief mining schools are attached to, or are integral parts of, our universities. That is as it should be. Most of our engineers have enjoyed some of the advantages of a university education along with their technical training. It is becoming recognized that the preparation for a bread-and-butter dependency, for a salaried "job," is not an education in its true sense, and that to make men of real worth, likely to be happy and useful, prepared to do the work of the world as effective citizens, there must be some culture, some bringing forth of the faculties that distinguish homo sapiens from the rest of the genus homo. "Man does not live by bread alone." If our great experiment in democracy is to succeed it will be by reason of "the moral worth and intellectual clearness of the individual citizen." The mob can not help, nor will the yellow press; education can do it by bringing the right men into leadership. The University of Missouri and its School of Mines can forward the consummation of a great ideal, and I feel confident that they will. It has been my privilege to know most of the leading mining engineers of the world, in this and in other countries, during the last thirty years, and I am informed concerning the careers of many of them. In a broad way they are an exhibit for the educa- tional methods of the last quarter of the nineteenth century. What can we learn from their biographies? In the first place, the successful mining engineer — the man who has won the esteem of his fellows and established himself in an extensive and lucrative practice as a manager of mines or as a consulting engineer — is not always a college graduate nor even a man trained in a mining school. About one in seven has missed these advantages. I use the word "missed" advisedly, for if he had been better educated he would have been even more useful and efficient. The lack of educational advantages and the compara- MINING AND METALLURGICAL EDUCATION 17 tive poverty of his parents to which this was due have had the effect, however, of compelling him to work harder and have tended more strongly to develop his character — to make him industrious and self-reliant. To be given a good education and to start life without the urgent need of earning a living is not always the best thing for a young man, especially if he lack initiative and ambition. In a democracy, as in other types of social organizations, it will be found that~those who are born with a silver spoon in the mouth are likely to die with gold filling in the teeth, without having accom- plished anything more decorative. It is proper that we should admire the man who makes his own way. For example, your own most distinguished alumnus started life as a poor orphan lad, reared on a small farm; he earned money for his schooling by hard work; by dint of personal effort he won his way to this School of Mines and here obtained the lever by which he opened the world oyster, in the shape of the greatest copper mine on this continent. To give an education to such men is the finest investment a nation can make. When I review the life-histories of the men whom I admire and respect I realize how much their university education has expedited their mental development and hastened their arrival at positions of influence. Only men of extraordinary force of charac- ter have been able to achieve success without such help, and, it is sad to say, they represent the few survivors of hundreds who failed for the lack of such help. In the days to come the chances of the unprepared will be even less, for the demands made upon engineers in the way of scientific training, will become increasingly exacting. Much of men's success seems to be due to accident. This one was lucky in making the acquaintance and arousing the per- sonal interest of a leader; that one happened to be on hand when a particular post had to be filled in a hurry; another had the special experience required for a special piece of important work at a given time and place; a fourth had personal qualities that won the goodwill of the president of a company or tho manager of a big mine — and, needless to say, gentlemen, I rate the manager of a mine above the president of a company. So it seems as if much of life were fortuitous; as if men became successful through acci- dent. This is a superficial view; on the contrary, it will be found, on closer scrutiny, that the success is due to the man being ready for his chance; to his having prepared himself for many contin- gencies, so that when opportunity knocked at the door he was ready to rise and give instant welcome 1o the visitor. Our own deeds are our doomsmen. "There is a tide in the affairs of men, Which, taken at the flood" [to which Byron added] — "you know the rest, And most of us have found it, now and then; At least we think so, though hut few have guessed The moment, till too late to come again." 18 MISSOURI SCHOOL OF MINES Some, like children, only wade in the shallows and so fail to feel the greater impulse out at sea; they fear to swim in deep water and are left behind, high and dry. Our life is as "the sands betwixt two tides." The difference between men is chiefly the difference of charac- ter. Education develops character — that is the very essence of education. A man of character goes through the shoals of cir- cumstance as a ship directed by a captain with a compass and a chart; a man lacking character is like a ship without control that drifts upon the reef and suffers shipwreck. Herbert Spencer said that "of all the ends to be kept in view , . .all are unimportant compared to the end of character-making. This alone is national education." In the last resort mere cleverness will not take a man far; there is needed something more dependable, and dependa- bility is character. A man of character will act in the same way under the same conditions. Give a man of character a liberal education and he becomes the finest product of our civilization. It is the product that an educational institution such as yours aims to give to the United States — worth more than much fine gold or a million tons of copper. A liberal education is the aim of all true scholastic effort; but there is no complete agreement as to the necessary curriculum. After all, a liberal education is the product of an ideal that transcends the curricula of the schools. Permit me to quote from the greatest expositor of the nineteenth century, Thomas Henry Huxley: "That man, I think, has had a liberal education who has been so trained in his youth that his body is the ready servant of his will, and does with ease and pleasure all the work that, as a mechan- ism, it is capable of; whose intellect is a cold-logic engine, with all its parts of equal strength and in smooth working order; ready, like a steam-engine, to be turned to any kind of work, and spin the gossamers as well as forge the anchors of the mind; whose mind is stored with a knowledge of the great and fundamental truths of Nature and of the laws of her operations; one who, no stunted ascetic, is full of life and fire, but whose passions are trained to come to heel by a vigorous will, the servant of a tender con- science; who has learned to love all beauty, whether of Nature or of art, to hate all vileness, and to respect others as himself." Huxley was the Dean of the Faculty of the Royal School of Mines — my alma mater — a school that was royal not by reason of kingly patronage but because it had for teachers such men as Huxley, John Tyndall, Lyon Playfair, Edward Forbes, and John W. Judd. Gentlemen, permit me to transmit to you this descrip- tion of a liberal education as the greeting of the Royal School of Mines of London to the School of Mines of Missouri on the occasion of its 50th anniversary. MINING AND METALLURGICAL EDUCATION 19 SYMPOSIUM ON MINING EDUCATION. The meeting of the Committee on Education and Public Service, American Mining Congress, October, 1921, was attended by the representatives of fifteen educational institutions that give courses in mining and metallurgical engineering. As a preliminary to the meeting a questionnaire was sent to educational institutions offering courses in mining and metallurgy. This questionnaire is as follows: SYMPOSIUM ON MINING EDUCATION. 1. What should be the scope and content of a course in Min- ing or Metallurgy? 2. Can the co-operative system in Engineering as practiced by the University of Cincinnati be successfully applied in a min- ing and metallurgical education? 3. What is the best way to make room in a mining or metal- lurgical course for the constantly increasing number of technical subjects which apparently should be included? 4. What are the basic elements of a mining and metallurgical course? 5. Should the mining and metallurgical course as ordinarily given be recast and rebuilt and if so on what basis? 6. Are four years enough for a course in mining or metal- lurgy, taking into consideration all elements that enter into this problem? 7. How is the subject of mining best taught? 8. How is the subject of metallurgy best taught? 9. How much mathematics should there be in the mining course? In the metallurgy course? 10. What is the best way of teaching English to Engineering students? 11. Should the English for Engineering students be technical and limited in character or broad and include literature? Written papers were submitted and the questions were also discussed informally at the meeting and practically all of the material is published in this bulletin. 20 MISSOURI SCHOOL OF MINES ANSWERS TO QUESTIONS OF THE SYMPOSIUM ON MINING EDUCATION. [D. C. Livingston, Oregon State Agricultural College.] 1. I think the scope and content is pretty well covered by most of the present mining school curricula, except for the fact that the general mining and metallurgical curriculum is often too narrow, and should be broadened to include more subjects of educational value which the student cannot get outside in after life, except by considerable effort. 2. Not in a position to answer this, but do not think it very practicable. 3. Leave them out of a four-year course. 4. Basic sciences such as Chemistry, Physics, Mathematics and Geology, with their application to the work of mining and metallurgy, and also the ability to write and speak corrrect English. Drafting and surveying should also be included. 5. Yes, I believe it should on the following basis: Have the basic sciences, such as Chemistry, Physics, etc., taught by mining engineers and metallurgists who would illustrate the fundamental principles by actual examples in metallurgical practice and mine plant design. This would be a great time saver and would elimi- nate a lot of lost motion which exists at the present time between the fundamental sciences and their application. It would enable such courses as Metallurgy and Mining Engineering to be much reduced, and more time would be available for the student to get an education as well as technical training. The latter is all he gets under the present system. The principles of geology are always illustrated by actual natural examples, as well as by laboratory experiments. Why not do the same with Chemistry for instance, and in addition to the laboratory experiments, illustrate its application to metallurgy, and thus impress the student's mind with the principles and practice at the same time. This I believe would be preferable to the disconnected manner in which these subjects are now taught. In the same way, why not, in certain cases, have Descriptive Geometry taught to mining students by a geologist, as there is surely no other place where it is more useful to be able to visualize on two or more planes. 6. I think four years are long enough for an under graduate course in Mining or Metallurgy if it is sufficiently broad. If a student wishes to specialize in any particular subject, he should take that as post graduate work, possibly after a year or two of practical work. 7. and 8. Could be answered in so many different ways that I do not care to discuss it. MINING AND METALLURGICAL EDUCATION 21 9. I do not think that Calculus is of inestimable value in either mining or metallurgy as it is now considered. 10. and 11. I believe that some guide along lines of literature should be given to students. Possibly certain novels or books assigned for summer reading, and an examination in the fall held with some discussion later, as well as the technical side of the English language. 12. If it is the consensus of opinion among the engineering profession and the public in general that a technically-trained man along one line is an educated man, then I think the mining and engineering schools are performing their duty well and efficient- ly on the whole. If on the other hand, an educated man is con- sidered to be one who possesses a knowledge of the government of his country, a knowledge of humanity gained from the past his- tory of mankind, a knowledge of more than one language than his own, a knowledge of business methods, and at least a speaking acquaintance with the literature of his language, in addition to a knowledge of the basic sciences necessary to his profession, then it is evident that the technical schools are not turning out educated men. The men that they are turning out are but a slight degree better educated than a highly skilled carpenter or mechanic. It is my belief that if an equal number of young men took a four years' course at college, one of which was along broad educational lines with surveying and assaying included and some lectures on the mining industry and its relation to the sciences, and the other group took the present narrow prescribed courses and both entered the mining profession, from ten to twenty years after graduation the first group would be more likely to contain the higher per- centage of leaders or men well up in the profession. 22 MISSOURI SCHOOL OF MINES ANSWERS TO QUESTIONS OF THE SYMPOSIUM ON MINING EDUCATION. [Charles E. Newton. Oregon State Agricultural College] 1. The scope of a modern course in Mining and Metallurgy should include basic courses necessary to the solution of the technical mining and metallurgical problems. A training in mathematics, physics, chemistry, anjd drawing, taught with the idea that they are not taught for the sake of themselves, but taught with the idea that they are tools to be used in the solution of problems that are to follow in the business. In conjunction with these subjects, a thorough grounding in the geologic sciences and in the arts of mining and metallurgy. 2. At the present time I am of the opinion that it is im- practical to have a co-operative system in Mining and Metallurgy as is practiced in the University of Cincinnati. It might be possible that a co-operative system of this kind could be carried on in the ferrous mining and metallurgical line. 3. The best way to make room in a mining and metallurgical course for the increased number of technical subjects is to require all the students who enter mining courses to have had one or two years' training in a general science course of a university nature. The student will then be prepared to master more quickly and more thoroughly the basic sciences necessary in the mining and metallurgical curricula. 4. A thorough understanding of physics, chemistry, mathe- matics, and drawing, — drawing with the idea of expressing facts in a graphical way. 5- All engineering courses should be recast on the following line: The student should have a general college or university education before entering the school. If this arrangement could be complied with, technical graduates would be better educated and better trained, technically. As it is at the present time, most of them are poorly educated and not very well trained technically. 6. Four years are not time enough for a course in mining and metallurgy. How much time is required, I am not prepared to say. I do believe, however, that four years is more than time enough for the technical side if the student has a good general education before he attempts to receive his technical training. 7. The subject of mining is best taught by lectures, illus- trated as well as descriptive, mining trips to actual mining opera- tions, with complete notes, sketches and photographs of the opera- tions visited and studied. 8. Same for metallurgy as for mining. 9. Enough mathematics to solve general mining and metal- lurgical problems. That would perhaps include a good under- MINING AND METALLURGICAL EDUCATION 23 standing of algebra; good training in trigonometry; good training in descriptive geometry; elementary training in calculus. My idea along this line is that these subjects be not taught for mathe- matics sake, but be taught in the technical training courses, as a tool to be used in the solution of a problem — not purely for the solution of some mathematical dream. 10. The best way to teach English to engineering students is to teach them to write technically after they have been taught to read and appreciate our better authors of classical literature. 24 MISSOURI SCHOOL OF MINES ANSWERS TO QUESTIONS OF THE SYMPOSIUM ON MINING EDUCATION. [J. H. Batcheller, Oregon State Agricultural College. 1. In my opinion, the scope and content is very well covered by the required studies for a degree in Mining in the School of Mines here. 2. For those Schools of Mines which are conveniently located in the neighborhood of operating mines, I should think a co- operative system of engineering education could be applied success- fully. For those institutions which are geographically remote from active mining operations, I should think it would be imprac- ticable. The same answer applies to metallurgical operations, whether fire or hydrometallurgy. 3. In my opinion there is no way, good or otherwise, to constantly crowd the curriculum of the School of Mines with the new technical subjects, and continue granting degrees in a four- year period. The best solution in my mind is adhering faithfully to the old idea of thorough grounding in the basic elements of the mining and metallurgical work, and giving those other courses as options for those who have extra time, or as advanced standing subjects for those who can put in more than four years' school attendance. 4. The basic elements in my opinion are now as they have always been: Mathematics, Chemistry, Physics, Geology, Draw- ing, Applied Mechanics, Technical Electricity, Surveying, Hy- draulics, and all the various subdivisions of the strictly mining, metallurgical and geological subjects. 5. I don't know but what it would be best to recast the min- ing and metallurgical courses with the idea of requiring all students to pass through a two-year course of semi- vocational nature, which would include practical work as indicated in answer to Question 2. For this they would get a certificate but not a degree. Only to those whose practical and academic standards showed they had genuine ability might be offered a four-year stiff course in the advanced theoretical work leading to a degree of Engineer of Mines. This would give time to include many of the desirable, but at present impossible extra technical subjects. The above proposed six-year course leading to the degree of E. M. is based on the supposition that the present method of teaching Mathematics, Chemistry, Physics, Descriptive Geometry, and Applied Mech- anics be continued by instructional staff outside of that of the School of Mines. If, however, it were possible to so provide that for all students of mining, the instructors in the above basic subjects just men- tioned could be mining engineers and geologists of practical ex- MINING AND METALLURGICAL EDUCATION 25 perience as well as high theoretical attainments, then the course of work in these basic subjects could be taught with just as much thoroughness with regard to the fundamental principles involved, and in addition the students would get a far greater grasp and understanding of the practical value of each of these items as applied to their mining work through the practical illus- trations that these experienced instructors could use to illum- inate their subjects. This would reduce the present lost mo- tion, because it seems to be the invariable condition that the student in Descriptive Geometry has to practically review that subject when his time comes to study geologic faulting problems. The same condition seems to be a normal state of affairs with regard to many of the other practical applications of applied science. By the elimination of this lost motion, a saving of time woul d be accomplished. During the time thus saved, I would recommend that it be divided and a portion added to that already devoted to each of the following cultural subjects, namely, English Literature and Composition, History and Governments of the World, and Political Economy. Of the two plans or outlines I have given above in answer to Question 5, I personally favor the latter, but presume that it would be too expensive in salaries. Surely the qualifications necessary to secure the type of instructional staff outlined as neces- sary for this scheme, would not be obtainable except at what would probably at this time be considered prohibitively high figures. 6. This is answered by my reply to No. 5. 7. Mining is best taught, in my opinion, by means of lectures and explanatory comments, referring to references assigned for reading, supplemented by visits some time before graduation to operating properties. This method would also include recitations and quizzes, to develop the understanding to which the students have been able to follow tho lectures and reading assignments. While not now feasible on account of the expense, I believe it would be a vast improvement if some synthetically constructed moving pictures could be made to illustrate many of the compli- cated operations of the modern caving methods of mining, showing in fifteen minutes the successive steps of a cycle of operations which might in actual practice require two or three years for completion, and be so complicated that it would be impossible to express them satisfactorily by any few simple diagrammatic drawings. 8. I see no better way of teaching Metallurgy than seems to be universally employed, namely, Lectures, recitations, laboratory work based on tho above, supplemented by visits to operating plants. 26 MISSOURI SCHOOL OF MINES 9. With regard to Mathematics in either mining or metal lurgical courses, I am not at all satisfied that it is inevitable and necessary that the students must drag their weary way through all the calculus now required. I am not in a position to offer a substitute suggestion, but think that inside of another twenty years, there will be a change in attitude towards calculus, except for men of special calibre for highly technical design work. Cal- culus will then probably be looked upon very much as the present day public looks upon the necesity for Latin and Greek as a pre- paration for the modern boy's life work. For a long while it was thought that no other subject could be found equal to the Latin and Greek of old, but I think that idea has been proven to be a mistake. 10. and 11. Regarding these, I think one answer covers both. The present method of teaching English to engineering students by means of lectures and compositions seems to be all right, pro- vided, however, that the students be allowed to write compositions on some subjects in which they have personal and genuine interest, presumably on some phase of mining, metallurgical, or geological work. By all means I consider the English training should require broad and comprehensive reading of the fine things in classics, supplemented by explanatory lectures to help them grasp the value and meaning of such. MINING AND METALLURGICAL EDUCATION 27 MINUTES OF THE MEETINGS OF THE COM- MITTEE ON EDUCATION AND PUBLIC SERVICE, AMERICAN MINING CONGRESS. October 18, 19, 1921. The meetings were held in the Congress Hotel, Chicago. An invitation to attend the meetings of the Committee had been sent to many schools and universities offering courses in mining and metallurgy. A list of the institution represented and those in attendance follows below: PROFESSOR J. R. NELSON, University of Michigan. DEAN P. F. WALKER, University of Kansas. PROFESSOR C. R. HAYWARD, Massachusetts Institute of Technology. DR. DORSEY A. LYONS, U. S. Bureau of Mines. MR. C. H. FULTON, Missouri School of Mines and Metallurgy. PROFESSOR F. W. SPERR, Michigan College of Mines. DEAN G. M. BUTLER, University of Arizona. PROFESSOR A. L. WALKER, Columbia University. MR. N. S. GREENSFELDER, Hercules Powder Co. DEAN E. S. MOORE, Pennsylvania State College. PROFESSOR H. H. STOEK, University of Illinois. PRESIDENT C. C. O'HARRA, South Dakota State School of Mines. PROFESSOR A. H. CARPENTER, Armour Institute of Tech- nology. DEAN F. A. THOMSON, University of Idaho. PRESIDENT E.H. WELLS, New Mexico School of Mines. PROFESSOR A. J. HOSKIN, University of Illinois. PROFESSOR C. J. NORWOOD, University of Kentucky. The Executive Committee for 1922 is as follows: Mr. C. H Fulton, Chairman, Rolla, Mo., Director Missouri School of Mines and Metallurgy. Dean F. A. Thomson, Moscow, Idaho., Dean School of Mines, University of Idaho. Dean G. M. Butler, Tuscon, Ariz., Dean School of Mines, University of Arizona. Dr. D. A. Lyon, Washington, D. C, Superintendent of Stations, Bureau of Mines. Professor A. L. Walker, New York, N. Y., Professor of Metallurgy, Columbia University. Dean E. S. Moore, State College, Pa., Dean School of Mines, The Pennsylvania State College. 28 MISSOURI SCHOOL OF MINES CONFERENCE HELD TUESDAY, OCT. 18, 1921. MR. FULTON:* I welcome you on behalf of the Committee on Education and Public Service of the American Mining Congress. The name is an inclusive one, as you will note, and just how it originated I cannot tell you, but the Committee was formed in St. Louis two years ago, and met again last year, in Denver, when an Executive Committee was appointed of which I was made the chairman. The Executive Committee outlined a proposed pro- gram, the main feature of which was to be a symposium on mining education. During the past year, the Committee was in corres- pondence with many of those interested in mining and metallurgi- cal education requesting them to present papers and discuss perti- nent subjects. We are here for that purpose today. The program for today is to discuss some of the questions, an outline of which was sent to those expecting to take part in this conference. One of these questions is that of English in the mining and metallurgical course and the paper by Professor Nelson of the University of Michigan bears directly on this subject. Professor Nelson represents the Committee on English of the Society for the Promotion of Engineering Education. PROFESSOR NELSON READS HIS PAPER: "The De- velopment of a Special English Course for Engineering Students." (Published in Proc. Soc. Prom. Eng. Ed.) MR. FULTON: Prof. Nelson's paper is on a vital subject. Those here who have had to do with engineering training will concede this. On the whole, students entering technical schools have poorer preparation in English than in former years. Why this is so I do not know, but I believe it can be traced in part to the less Severe training the student gets in high school, because the high school course is so crowded with odds and ends as to curtail fundamental studies. If it is true that men entering the technical schools are less efficiently trained in English than formerly it is essential for the technical school to correct this deficiency. In what manner this is to be done I do not know, but Prof. Nelson has offered good suggestions. One of the subjects under discussion is "Should the English taught in technical schools be of a technical character or should it be general in character." I gather from Prof. Nelson's paper that his conception of the task of the English Department is to make the men acquainted with English from the standpoint of literature. fDEAN WALKER: In Kansas we have a separate depart- ment of English for engineering students, doing in some lines at least so far as our organization permits, the same that Michigan ♦School of Mines and Metallurgy, Univ. of Mo. tUniversity of Kansas. MINING AND METALLURGICAL EDUCATION 29 does, and I wish to corroborate what Prof. Nelson has said as to the change in the attitude of these men. I recall 10, 12 or 15 years ago the student looked upon English work more or less as a bore, and I now hear the most enthusiastic comments from them with reference to the work they are doing in advanced composition. Only juniors and some seniors are admitted to that class. We never put a man in below the junior year. With reference to the report writing work, we have a Kansas custom of requiring 4 technical reports, prepared by students under the direction of the members of the technical department, and it interests me greatly to know that the English Department of Michigan is taking over that work. Is that required or elective? PROF. NELSON: That is required and is a two-hour course. I lecture one hour a week and have a conference group of about 10 seniors for the other hour. I insist that all the work on the report be done under my direction, which shows how to go about the proposition of organizing technical material when you have that proposition before you and how to get the best result. They do all the work on that report under my direction and the report comes to me first. I cut it all to pieces and insist on rewrit- ing it and putting it in the best form possible. Technical men claim there has been great improvement. DEAN WALKER: I wish to mention one other thing that Prof. Nelson has spoken of and that is the necessity that the tech- nical teaching staff back up the English Department in holding forth the importance of English training work. I never lose an opportunity of driving that in. PROF. HAY WARD*: Our students are all studying en- gineering and since the founding of the school it has been a policy to require substantial courses in English. Unfortunately the study of English was not always popular and even such an eminent scholar and teacher as the late Prof. Arlo Bates was often annoyed by indifferent or even antagonistic students. I think that attitude has largely disappeard in recent years. Some of our English staff are among the most popular men on the faculty. They have tried to make English appreciated by the students and if they have not wholly succeeded they have at least made it less dis- liked. By means of evening readings and other voluntary services some of the instructors have made a secure place in the student life. In addition to the required English courses of the first two years we require that a certain amount of time in the junior and senior years be given to what we term "general studies." These are selected by the students from a given list of non-technical or so-called "cultural" subjects. Most of these are given by the 'Mass. Inst. Tech., Boston. 30 MISSOURI SCHOOL OF MINES English department. Among them is report-writing in which the student is allowed to select his own subject, often getting advice from a member of his professional department, studying it in the library and then submitting his report to the English department for correction. In this way two ends are served. The student gets technical information along a line in which he is interested and then learns how to express himself in correct English. In spite of continued pressure for more time in professional subjects the faculty has always rigidly stood against obtaining it at the expense of English, history, economics and similar general studies. PROF. SPERR*: The assertion has been made that the high school graduates are not as well trained in English as they used to be. Is it not because we are impressed with their lack of training more than we used to be? I rather think it is that we are getting just as good training in high school graduates now as we ever did, but the trouble with the training in English in technical schools is eventually due to the same thing as it is in our high schools — the lack of teachers with the proper personnel and pep in them to get anything into a student at all. When high school students hate the study of English, I think it is largely because of the lack of proper personnel in the teacher. I think if we could in some way get at our normal schools for training the teacher and get at our high school organizations or the directors to impress upon them the necessity of better English teaching in their schools, we could accomplish something. English is made a sort of a by-play, a good thing to have, but not necessary. That is the attitude — any- body can teach English. I assume that the object of teaching English is to train the student to use good English in both speaking and writing. The necessity for the use of good English depends on either of these lines and you do not have to confine yourself to technical subjects or think you have to make it either technical or literary, or both. Successful teaching of English to engineering students depends largely on the instructor if he must interest the young men in the subject and make them realize that they need to use good English for their own personal efficiency and success. MR. FULTON: I think that the high schools are in part responsible for the poor training in English, and still it is not fair to generalize, for we will find that in the large cities, high schools often give most excellent training in English; but when the country schools and the country high schools are considered we find that there has crept into the course of study of these schools the voca- tional training idea, and that this vocational training is largely of a so-called practical nature which takes up so much time, that the really fundamental studies — reading, writing, spelling and arith- metic, rather go by the board, and men come through these schools *Michigan College of Mines. MINING AND METALLURGICAL EDUCATION 31 with a knowledge of a little agriculture, a little physics, a little chemistry and a hundred other things, the possession of which is a detriment to them if they pursue further education; for what they did learn of these subjects in many cases must be unlearned and the time that was taken up with them was taken from the highly necessary fundamental subjects. Formerly, most of the technical schools had no English in their courses. Nothing was given in the nature of the Humanities. My days go back to when technical education in this country was still relatively new and the number of technical schools, particularly the number of the Schools of Mines was not large. I remember we divided the type of technical schools into two classes; first that which my alma mater, Columbia University, represented, and second, that which the Massachusetts Institute of Technology represents. We were taught that the technical school was a scientific school and that while the Humani- ties were desirable, the student should have had this training before he entered the technical institution, or if he did not have it, he should obtain it outside his technical school duties. Hence we had no time for English in the School of Mines. I believe the Massachusetts Institute of Technology has always paid consider- able attention to the Humanities. This brings us to a particular question which is a vital one before this conference, namely, if Humanities are to be introduced into the course, and we have pressing on us, also many new technical subjects, is the time allotted to a technical education, at the present day, sufficient to properly educate a young man for an engineering career? In this connec- tion I wish to present the paper of Prof. Robert Peele of Columbia University. He requests me to particularly say that in this paper he expresses his personal views, only, and not the official views of his institution. PROF. PEELE'S PAPER is read by the Chairman. (See page 58.) DEAN WALKER: I want to comment on Prof. Peele's dis- cussion on some of the problems that are confronting us. Some of us feel it very keenly, especially his conclusion as to the length of the course. For over 20 years I have been connected with institutions where a 4-year course in mining has been offered. I have been fortunato, and unfortunate enough during the last 10 years to go through the throes of a complete revision of mining engineering, and am now confronted with a similar proposition. I think we should all follow the practice (and the institution I am now connected with still continues that practice) of giving the young man studying engineering choice as to options which he will take — a geological option, mining option or something of that kind. As to the disapproval of that practice, I have found in many cases he had no choice in the matter. A committee has now been appointed to revise the entire mining courso. It has advanced 32 MISSOURI SCHOOL OF MINES in its work sufficiently far so I feel before the end of the year we shall have no options in our 4-year course, but we are going to try to do nothing but lay the foundations strongly for mining engineer- ing. We feel, however, as Prof. Peele feels that 4 years is not sufficient to give a young man the training he ought to have. In order that we may at least in part adopt the recommendation of Prof. Peele we are going to lay particular emphasis on the fifth-year engineering course. We are going to do all we can to induce our young men to take the fifth year. Eventually it may be that we would give no degree at the end of the fourth year. 1 cannot tell how it is going to work out, but that is what we are going to do. As to Prof. Peele' s statement that so many engineering graduates fail to succeed after graduation, it would seem to us that that is largely our fault. It is largely the fault of the engineering colleges. You can take some catalogues, soliciting graduates of engineering colleges and check over their present employment and find they are engaged in lines utterly foreign to those they started out with. DEAN BUTLER*: I agree with Dean Walker that the administrative officers of engineering schools are largely to blame for the fact that a considerable proportion of the graduates engaged after graduation in lines of activity foreign to the course they pursued in college. I have found that a large proportion of our freshmen have very little idea why they are studying engineering, and especially why they select that particular branch of engineer- ing which they pursue in college. In many cases they have no more reason for so doing than they would have if the choice were based on a throw of dice. They rarely know exactly why they are pursu- ing a certain course when they come to us, and seem to have chosen their life work more or less at random. It appears to me that it is obligatory upon us to do something to help these young men. We should familiarize them with the qualifications that are required for success in all branches of engineering, and the peculiar qualities demanded in each separate branch. We should endeavor to acquaint them with the nature of the work they will probably be called upon to do immediately after graduation, and the oppor- tunities for advancement open to them. We should impress upon them the fact that it is foolish for them to continue in the course that they have selected unless they are sure that they are going to enjoy the work and will be fairly well satisfied with the remunera- tion they will probably receive. The information given should be as accurate and conservative as it is possible to make it, and the difficulties and drawbacks inherent in each branch of engineer- ing should not be minimized. At the University of Arizona we have been endeavoring during the past two or three years to acquaint the young men with the ♦University of Arizona. MINING AND METALLURGICAL EDUCATION 33 facts mentioned through our so-called Freshmen Orientation Course which consists of one lecture a week throughout the Freshman year. Attendance is obligatory upon all engineering freshmen, but no credit is given for the course. After my first lecture this year in which I emphasized strongly the fundamental qualifications, required for success in engineering, five young men expressed a desire to be transferred to other courses. I was mighty glad to have them make the decision then, for our purpose throughout the course is to get rid of the men who should not be there, and to graduate no one who is not perfectly satisfied that he knows exactly what kind of work he is to be called upon to do after graduation, that he is going to enjoy that work, and that he has the fundamental qualifications for success in that work. If the results secured by our course are any criterion of its usefulness, I am sure that the idea deserves the consideration of all engineering admininstrators. PROF. WALKER*: Professor Peele states in his paper that the engineering school where a six-year course is now given is a graduate school. I know he did not mean this to read that way. The school he refers to is not a graduate school, as a degree is not one of the requirements for admission. Work which can be ob- tained in college only is required for admission and this work can be completed in three years, in college, but a candidate is not required to have a degree. We have been much interested in what Professor Peele says in regard to the mortality of engineers after graduation, meaning that such a large number of men who study mining engineering do not follow that profession. I think that in all our engineering schools a large percentage of the graduates will wander from the mining engineering profession and take up other vocations. This shows that a general mining engineering education is useful as a founda- tion for almost anything. In the school just mentioned and which is referred to especially by Professor Peele, in his paper, the work is so laid out that a man who has a sufficient amount of interest in mining engineering to completo his course will undoubtedly follow this profession after graduation. This is the case in law and in medicine. Professor Peele distinctly states that four years is not long enough. In other words, it does not give a sufficient amount of time to properly educate a man to enter the mining engineering pro- fession. The faculties of a number of institutions evidently are of the same opinion as in several of our prominent schools, five years' study are required before granting the professional degree, and in two others six years are required. At Columbia University, in New York, they decided a few years ago to institute a course which would require six years' study after a man left the prepara- tOolumbla University, New York. 2 34 MISSOURI SCHOOL OF MINES tory school before he could receive his professional degree. This course was framed with the idea of giving the man a thorough training in the fundamentals of engineering, mathematics, chemis- try and physics prior to entering the engineering school, it being arranged so that this work could be completed in three years. He then enters the professional school and devotes three years to strictly engineering subjects at the end of which period he receives his degree. If this man takes his preliminary work in Columbia College, then enters the engineering school and spends one year there he will receive his bachelor's degree, having up to that time received what in other institutions is called a "strictly scientific education," of a high standard. He may leave then and enter the engineering profession or take up something else in which he will find this education to be of valuable assistance. If, however, the man con- tinues through six years and receives his engineering degree he will be very thoroughly prepared in all fundamentals and, as far as is possible, in strictly engineering subjects. He will have had more time to absorb engineering instruction and is more likely to continue on in the profession. I am very glad to have had a chance to say a few words about our aims at Columbia as I know that the present program in the School of Mines has been rather severely criticised. While some of the details of this plan may have to be changed as time goes on, we believe that the experiment is well worth while. MR. GREENSFELDER*: I am attending these meetings to find out if possible how we as manufacturers can better co- operate with educational institutions in educating engineering students on the subject of explosives and their uses. We feel that possibly there is not sufficient time in the curriculum for the regular instructors to devote their time to that, but we are willing to co- operate in whatever way we can to provide this information. Last summer I was traveling to deliver lectures at various colleges, and I found considerable interest among the students, particularly when they listened to a man who was connected with a company manufacturing the particular product they used. One of the professors wrote me afterwards that they showed greater interest because a man coming from a company who was making the product lectured to them, than if the information had been imparted by their regular instructor. We want to know just how we can further this idea. We would be willing to get up publications and pamphlets particularly designed for students at engineering colleges. We encourage mem- bers of our company to contribute articles to publications issued by engineering schools — in other words, our desire is to disseminate *Hercules Powder Company. MINING AND METALLURGICAL EDUCATION 35 all the information we can to students, and I want this conference to know we are open for suggestions along this line. MR. FULTON: Mr. Greensfelder represents the Hercules Powder Company which takes the product of the technical school. Sometimes, as Prof. Peele said in his paper, there is a difference of opinion between those who teach and those who take the product of the teaching and I believe, to express myself frankly from out of my own experience, that the usual view of the company that takes the product is somewhat narrow and applied to their own particular field. For example, in a large industrial city where I was formerly connected with a prominent technical school, we asked for suggestions from the manufacturers in different fields as to what we should teach, in order to prepare men for their work in engineering. The response almost invariably was that we should train the men for the respondent's own particular business. Of course when you hear this reply from one man it sounds very reasonable but when you collect the data of the hundred replies you at once perceive how utterly impossible it is to base an educa- tion on these concrete replies. We most heartily welcome what Mr. Greensfelder has offered us, but the question remains after all "What is the best training for industrial work?" Is it general training in fundamentals and the technical essentials followed by an apprenticeship? Some of the great mining and metallurgical companies have apprentice schools. They are willing to take a technical graduate and keep him a year or two to learn their parti- cular business. I think this method a sound one. DEAN MOORE*: (Discussing Prof. Walker's suggestions) I think, however, there is a different viewpoint to be taken, depend- ing somewhat upon the nature of the institution with which you are connected. In the state institutions we get a little different type of student from that in the privately endowed institutions. I found, for example, that the men who come to our institution are in many cases poor men financially, and they find it very difficult to finance four years in college, and yet some of these men are excellent men and it would be a mistake for all of us to adopt a six- year course I believe the University of Pittsburgh has recently adopted a five-year course in mining which will go into effect next year. I think it is a question of the greatest good to tne groatest nn in her and our object in education should be to educate as great a number as possible to as high a level as is practical. In fact we have to strike a happy medium until such time as we can get men educated so the mining men as a whole will be in a position to send their sons to college. For that reason I think it will be essential for us to stick to a four-year course for some time to come. I think also a great deal depends on the instructor. Some put men through four years who never make a failure. Other instruc- *Pennsylvania Stato College. 36 MISSOURI SCHOOL OF MINES tors will keep a man for seven or eight years and never enthuse him with the subject at all. One thing I endeavor to impress upon our faculty is to put a student in the same place in college as if he were out in the industry — getting work out of a man and getting things done is what counts. I think after all the essentials in an engineer are not necessarily more than an average ability but application of knowledge, and if you can get him to apply himself he will be successful. Now as to vocational guidance, I am convinced there is not a great deal to it. I do not believe there is any one man, a Dean of Men, for example, who knows everything, and can advise students on any type of course. Men have come to us who know nothing about mining, yet after they have gone through the course, have been very successful. It is essential that you should give a man an opportunity to see a mine or a steel plant and see if he is willing to stick around one when he gets out. If he is going to be happier in Liberal Arts, by all means let him go through that course, but remembering this, it is a whole lot easier for an engineer to take up another line of business than for a man who has gone through Liberal Arts work to go out and take up an engineering profession. We can steer a great many of our men into certain phases of the industry, not strictly engineering, but requiring an engineering course as a foundation. I am inclined to think that in this day specializing is practically necessary to separate in the upper year or two courses in mining and metallurgy in order that students may get some of the later developments in such fields as metallography. MR. GREENSFELDER: One of our directors made the statement that in his opinion our salesmen should be 75% efficient as service men. Where a sale involved an actual demonstration, the salesman is of greater value to the company if he is able to handle the service work himself. I do not know that I can answer Dr. Fulton's question about just what a manufacturer would recommend to educators in training engineering students. That is something that would have to be given considerable thought. An engineering knowledge will be of immense advantage to a man in following the commercial end of the business with a manufacturer of technical products. If I were hiring salesmen for our work I would prefer mining engineers as I think they would be more versatile and better suited for the service. part of our work. We want to encourage students to take an interest in explosives and the proper method of using them. DEAN BUTLER: I believe that most of my staff agree that it is unwise of us to demand of all engineering students that they pursue a course of more than four years' duration. We are all convinced that we must lay a very thorough groundwork in the fundamental sciences, and that beyond that our function is to MINING AND METALLURGICAL EDUCATION 37 train the student to think, and to show him how to use the knowl- edge that he has acquired and which has been made available through the work of others. Apparatus and methods in vogue now are apt to be out of date by the time the student has graduated, and it is largely a waste of time to place much emphasis on such matters, especially details. A great deal of information has been printed and is readily available along almost any specialized line that the student may be called upon to follow after graduation, and he should be taught how to find and use this data, and encouraged to depend upon his own efforts to secure a working, detailed knowledge of any technical subject. We have practically decided at the University of Arizona to eliminate all options during our four-year undergraduate course leading to the degree of Bachelor of Science in Mining Engineering, and to offer no opportunity for specialization until after the Bachelor's degree has been secured. We have reached this deci- sion because we find that only a comparatively small percentage of our graduates follow the particular line of work (mining engineering, metallurgy, or geology) in which they specialize during their senior year, and we have also learned that it is difficult or im- possible to give sufficiently thorough training in the fundamental subjects in four years if we permit our students to specialize in any way. I believe that next year we shall follow the plan mentioned, and shall offer a fifth year which, if successfully completed, will lead to the degree of Engineer of Mines, Metallurgical Engineer, or Mining Geologist. We may also decide to offer a fifth-year course in Mine Administration which will lead to a suitable degree. While it will thus be possible for our students to secure a degree in four years, especially promising men will be urged to take a fifth year either immediately after finishing the four-year course, or, preferably, after they have been out of college for a year or two. PROF. HAY WARD: I agree with nearly everything Pro- fessor Peele has said except his conclusion. I wish, however, to comment on his criticism of laboratory work. I agree with him that if we merely make the student go through a lot of mechanical operations the time is wasted. The purpose of the laboratory, and I refer specially to a metallurgical laboratory, is to make clear the theory we teach in I lie class room. With the small apparatus it is necessary to use, it is of course impossible to teach practice, but we have demonstrated again and again that if a student does not get the laboratory work he is very likely to lose much that is valuable in the classroom. Our laboratory time if cut to a mini- mum. We stop when we think we have illustrated the theory. For instance, in running our laboratory blast furnace the campaign lasts sixteen hours, the class working in four shifts of four hours each. The men move from position to position and during a shift each weighs and feeds a few charges, taps the furnace, etc., and 38 MISSOURI SCHOOL OF MINES takes necessary observations for a complete thermal balance of the furnace, viz., gas analyses, and temperatures, cooling water temperature and volume, blast temperature, volume, pressure, and humidity, slag temperature, etc. The day after the run all prod- ucts are weighed and sampled. The necessary analyses and calculations are made by an assistant and each student is furnished with a complete account of stock and thermal balance which are discussed in detail at a conference session of the class. During the campaign about five tons of charge are smelted and our exper- ience has proved that the time and money are well spent. I should like to give some laboratory experience which proved unsatisfactory and tell how I remedied it. Two years ago in a readjustment of the course in Metallurgy some additional time was made available for laboratory work. This was to be princpially in copper leaching and I laid out a series of tests on sulphatizing and chloridizing some copper ore, leaching it hot and cold with various acid strengths. After the work was completed the results of the entire class were plotted and curves drawn to show the extractions under different conditions. At the last session of the term I took the figures and tried to show briefly their application in calculating commercial costs, plant capacities, etc. During the term, although the men had faithfully done the work assigned, there was no evi- dence of enthusiasm and very little interest. I took occasion to mention this to one of the more thoughtful members of the class and asked him what the trouble was. He told me frankly that most of the men didn't see what it was all about until the last exercise when the figures were applied. Accepting this as a just criticism I made a radical change last year. There were twenty men in the class. Four captains were chosen by the students themselves and these leaders divided the class into four groups of five. To each group I gave a separate problem of roasting and leaching and left them to divide the operations of roasting and leaching. The results obtained were to be used in calculating a plant to treat 1,000 tons per day and make estimates on operating cost, finally calculating what copper must sell for to make the plant pay under the conditions determined. I gave them suggestions and pointed out methods of attack, but they went far beyond my requirements or expectations. They wrote for catalogues, inter- viewed their engineering friends and sought information from every available source. Of course numerous assumptions were necessary and doubtless many of the estimates were wide of the mark, but in the end four highly creditable reports were passed in and man after man told me that he had enjoyed it more and obtained more good from it than anything he had done in his course. Every man had put in hours beyond the allotted time not because he had to but because he wanted to and I don't think one complained or expressed regret. This experience demonstrated to me more than ever that one MINING AND METALLURGICAL EDUCATION 39 of our primary functions as teachers is to implant a real thirst for knowledge in the student. If we do this the student will educate himself with only a little guidance on our part. If we can't stimu- late a student's interest,' no amount of effort or spoon feeding will enable us to turn out an engineer that is good for very much. Professor Peele's conclusion was that more than four years is now necessary in a mining school. With this I di?agree. There are a few cases, of course, where a man konws just what he is to do and needs special preparation for it, but on the whole it does not seem desirable. First, with careful planning is is possible to teach the fundamentals of mining or metallurgy in four years. Beyond a certain point we get to details of practice which can be better learned in the plants. Second, if the student has acquired an enthusiasm for his profession he will not cease his study after graduation, and two years after he receives his degree he will be better educated than if he remained at school. He will also be farther along in his profession. If the student hasn't become enthusiastic for his profession he is better off in practice even if he doesn't study than he would be in school. Third, the item of expense must be considered. Many have hard work financing themselves for four years. A longer time would be prohibitive. Let us provide graduate courses for the few men who need them but keep the regular course at four years. I am inclined to think that we could do much to stimulate study after graduation by increasing the practice of offering en- gineering degrees to be given after two or more years in practice to graduates who present satisfactory evidence of study and re- search. PROF. SPERR: I remember a little experience I had in talking with a gentleman. I asked him "As a graduate yourself, as a teacher of mining engineering, a mine manager and an employer of much technical labor as well as other kinds of labor, I wish you would tell me what you think an undergraduate mining engineering student should be taught." Ho said "To think," and I believe he hit everything that is really worth whilo. Yes, I believe a 4-year course is long enough. Three years is long enough if you make it intense enough. We think we can put out pretty good men in three years by working them the year around and doing it in- tensively. I have a great deal of respect for what Prof. Peele has given us, and what he says is true, but after all we have got to cut it off somewhere and the question of where we must cut off outside of fundamentals perhaps will have to be settled by the conditions each school is working under and what it tries to do. The objects of tho different schools may be divided rather roughly into two classes: One, to make what we call professional engineers, reporters on mining properties, etc. The other is primarily to make mine 40 MISSOURI SCHOOL OF MINES operators and managers. With us we think more largely of this latter object, and most of our men follow that line. We all agree in that the fundamentals must precede everything else and all we can do in any special line is to help the student to assimilate the fundamentals. If we do that we will do well. We cannot make them finished practitioners in any line you can mention. We can make them useful for a certain kind of work which gives them an entrance into some capacity or other and then it is up to their own individuality and the forces in them whether or not they will be successful. MR. FULTON: It is well to sum up some of the ideas that have been expressed. How are we going to achieve the result of vitally interesting the student so that when he leaves he will possess the fundamentals and enough of technical knowledge to begin his career with? The question of a four-year or a six-year course for a mining or metallurgical education is a fundamental one. Why do we wish more time now than we did ten, fifteen, or twenty years ago? I think the answer is plain. The amount of pro- fessional knowledge has increased greatly since that time. Twenty years ago a mining engineer was also a metallurgist. Then a graduate in mining engineering might find a berth in a steel plant and very soon adapt himself perfectly to the work in hand. Now all this is changed and the technical knowledge that has accumu- lated makes for a sharp division between mining and metallurgy. How specialized technical knowledge relating to metallurgical operations is may be illustrated by the existence of an active technical society known as the Electrical Engineers of Iron and Steel Plants. These men are engaged in electrical engineering solely in relation with iron and steel works and of necessity must possess some general knowledge of the metallurgy of iron and steel. There is a demand for men who are thoroughly and specifically trained in either the mining branch or the metallurgical branch of the mineral industry. I believe it incompatible with modern industry to give the student a general course only and then graduate him expecting him to find his place. He must be specifically trained in a certain direction. The question is: Will it take longer to do this now than formerly? Is four years enough or does it now require six years? Will we expect to make it eight years a decade hence? Solving the difficulty by lengthening the time is, I believe, the easiest way which is not necessarily the best way. The difficulty is funda- mental and I believe cannot be solved by an addition of time. It really rests in the psychology of the student. In general the young man between 18 and 23 in the technical school or the university has usually only a hazy idea of what he is eventually going to do. I have a low opinion of the practicability of vocational guidance. In nearly all cases, the direction in education that a young man MINING AND METALLURGICAL EDUCATION 41 takes is at the suggestion of his parents or interested friends and is not his own free choice. There are, of course, some men mature enough to make a free choice but the majority are not of this type. Broadly I believe it is undesirable to attempt to direct a man vocationally. In most cases those who find themselves out of place in the technical school will seek an adjustment. It is also true that the man educated in engineering has such a generally useful education that he can readily enter business or almost any industry and succeed. The student is in college or technical school at a critical age, psychically. I believe it is more difficult for a young man to concentrate on work in hand between the ages of 18 and 23 than at any other time in life. His chief interest during this period is in the opposite sex and it needs discipline and admonition, con- stantly applied to keep him at work. This rests in the nature of things and needs no further discussion except that it is one of the things, though well known, frequently ignored. At 23 the man's viewpoint radically changes and he is desirous to begin work. Moreover, he is not content to work just to be educated, but he wishes to do things in his profession, his objective becomes definite. I have always felt that in engineering the fundamental conception of the profession and the orientation of the individual are obtained only in the works and in the field. In this respect it differs from the professions of medicine and the law, as for example, in modern medical education the student is in close touch in the latter years of his course with practitioners through the clinics and the hospitals. The engineer deals with labor and recently the demand is voiced to instruct the student in what has been termed "human engineering." But can this be taught in school? Fundamental conceptions can be conveyed in courses of economics and sociology but the real understanding and practice can be gained only in the works. I believe, therefore, that four years in the technical school are enough to teach the man the fundamental sciences and to direct him tech- nically in a basic way in the particular field he expects to follow. His orientation and the instruction in the technique of his pro- fession is well left to what may be called his apprentice course in the mine or works. I have the highest regard and veneration for the Humanities, and a man's life would, indeed, be passed in gloom and darkness were if not lighted by what is so beautiful in science, art and literature. But with the exception of English Literature, the great field of the 1 1 u inanities can only be indicated to the student and reliance must be placed on his initiative and curiosity to explore this region that will yield him such full treasure for the enjoyment of life. PROF. WALK UK: We all undoubtedly believe that speciali- zation in several subjects is impossible. We have a certain amount of ground to eover and a comparatively short time to cover it in. As a result it is impossible to instruct students very thoroughly 42 MISSOURI SCHOOL OF MINES in more than one branch of engineering. In designing a course for a mining engineering student we must necessarily include work in electrical, mechanical, and civil engineering, but we cannot at- tempt to make electrical, mechanical or civil engineers out of these men. It requires considerable work to keep our courses of instruction abreast of the times and while our Chairman has had a much longer experience in teaching than I have had, in spite of the fact that he was graduated from the Columbia School of Mines a number of years after I was, I can not agree with him in the statement that there is but little more, to teach now than at the time either of us was in school. Many subjects not even thought of then must receive a great deal of attention now. While I believe fully that the instruction in the fundamentals should be thorough I also believe that we must have time to give proper instruction in engineering subjects afterwards in order that thoroughly trained engineers may be produced. For your information I would like to state that in the School of Mines at Columbia the students may select either mining engineering, mining geology or metallurgical engineering and specialize in one of these three branches during the last two years of their course. MINING AND METALLURGICAL EDUCATION 43 CONFERENCE HELD WEDNESDAY, OCTOBER 19, 1921. MR. FULTON: We will open the second afternoon of our conference with remarks by President O'Harra of the South Dakota School of Mines. He began yesterday to say something to us about what he thought should be in the mining course. When Dr. O'Harra concludes, it will be desirable to plan for a continua- tion of our organization for next year, and I wish to state briefly that the matter presents itself to me in this way: The American Institute of Mining Engineers has claims on this conference. I understand that when Mr. C. H. Mathewson was requested to address this conference on metallurgical education he said that the subject of mining education belonged to the American Institute of Mining and Metallurgical Engineers. That, of course, is a matter open to discussion. It would appear that we might be submerged in the Institute as its activities are so large and varied. I doubt whether under its auspices we could come together as closely as we do here. The title of this organization is "Committee on Education and Public Service" and as stated yesterday this is a very comprehensive one. In this organization I believe the min- ing schools and the mining and metallurgical departments of the Universities throughout the country may very well get together and meet for the discussion of their problems. I think it is un- necessary for this organization to set a very high aim, such as an all around reform in technical education; meetings for discussion and exchange of ideas will be ample motive. Miners and metal- lurgists and geologists have always held together the world over, and the field, while a large one, is not so large as to preclude organization into one group. If we lay the foundation for such an organization at this meeting, and include the mine inspectors and the stato geologists and divide the group into two divisions — first: those having to do with mining education and second: those having to do with public service, I believe we will have something well worth while. This can be done under the auspices of the American Mining Congress. The Society for the Promotion of Engineering Education might perhaps be considered as the proper place for the educational division, but this {Society has been In existence so long and no one has taken any particular interest in getting the men interested in mining and metallurgical education together, so that the Mining Congress seems to afford the better home. I now call on Dr. O'Harra. DR. O'HARRA*: Mr. Chairman and Gentlemen: Dr. Fulton has just informed me that my name is on the program but I was not aware of this fact and I do not know where I shall begin this afternoon. It occurs to me that it is clear to all of us, and *South Dakota State School of Mints. 44 MISSOURI SCHOOL OF MINES particularly after what was said yesterday afternoon, that we have two unreconcilable things with which to deal. We have a limited amount of time a\ailable and an unlimited number of subjects, it seems to me that it behooves us to recognize this freely and fully and try to adapt ourselves to the situation. We cannot fore\er be allowing the individual instructor to select his favored subjects and we cannot forever try to get into a course everything that may be legitimately allowed in it. I am of the belief that we should first group our thoughts around the four year course. After this is definitely done and after we have worked out this problem in the best way we can, then I believe we should try to work out something in the way of a fifth year. After this, as indicated yesterday, I think some thoroughly well equipped institution or institutions ought to work out something in a definite detailed way more extensive even than the fifth year course. We at the South Dakota State School of Mines are not at present so much interested in the sixth year but I do feel that there is an opportunity for some institution to develop in good way this particular feature. Now in regard to what should be in the four year course. We all say earnestly and unanimously that adequate attention should be given to fundamentals but no two men will agree as to what all the fundamentals are or how much of th3 fundamentals should b3 included. A considerable percentage of students when they come to a technical school lack thorough grounding in mathematics. Mathematics is certainly fundamental and the question arises at once how much mathematics must a man have in order to do good engineering work. He will find differences of opinion right there. I recently talked with a gentleman who has had long and success- ful experience in metallurgy who indicated to me that he seldom or never uses calculus. Some metallurgists would, I fear, think him peculiar, but the question arises nevertheless, whether it is an absolute necessity for every man to have a thorough grounding in calculus. Mathematicians will perhaps say that it is necessary, and not subject to question. Personally, I believe it possible, in view of the many shortcut mathematical helps now available, for an individual to be a good mining man without very much calculus and particularly do I think this true regarding metallurgical men but I am of the belief that all things considered, both the mining engineer and the metallurgical engineer will be better prepared for his work if he has a thorough grounding in calculus and at the South Dakota State School of Mines this subject (differential and integral) is required of both. A man must have training in chemistry, the amount depending somewhat on whether he is to enter the mining field or the metal- lurgical field. The mining man should have at least the elements of chemistry and if possible some special work in qualitative and MINING AND METALLURGICAL EDUCATION 45 quantitative anaysis. The man who is to enter the metallurgical field should have all the chemistry he can get. I say this with a good deal of seriousness. He cannot get too much but an institu- tion can try to give him too much in four years. One must have physics. I suppose we may say here, as elsewhere, the more the better, but we must stop somewhere and the amount must be governed to a considerable extent by the series of subjects taken along with it. Perhaps it is not out of the way to say that my particular field is geology. In the institution with which I am connected we for a considerable number of years devoted four years to geology. We gave general geology in the freshman year; general mineralogy, including crystallography and blow-pipe analysis in the sophomore year; metamorphic geology including petrography in the junior year and economic geology in the senior year. I had the course arranged that way, particularly, I suppose, because I am a geologist and because my co-workers were willing to let me put it in, but in recent years we have felt that there should be some change. In view of the fact, as I believe, that the heads of the various depart- ments are under necessity of considering the matter largely a game of give and take I consented to lessen the requirement and at the present time we are giving general geology in the sophomore year, mineralogy in the junior year and economic geology in the senior year. I may say that we have added a fifth year to both the mining and metallurgical courses but this fifth year is not a requirement for the first degree. Its completion entitles the graduate student to the advanced degree. In this fifth year we give the geological work, which was formerly given in the junior year, namely metamorphic geology. This is ordinarily considered a very difficult subject and, as it is taught with us in a very thorough way, the fifth year students are better able to handle it. In a recent revision of our courses we, to some extent, re- arranged our English courses. We require one year of English, the freshman year, and have arranged for electives in the sophomore and junior years. The sophomore work has largely to do with engineering or scientific matters and is so arranged as to bring out to the best advantage the intrinsic value of the subjects studied. Tho junior work includes especially techical composition. We have for some time taught and nowrequire a year's work in eco- nomics. This is taken by juniors. Sociology is elective for juniors and seniors. In addition to this we have recently introduced courses in conneet ion with the business essentials of engineering, Including particularly a consideration of the underlying principles of organization and management. This is usually given in the senior year. We feci that the engineer has not in the past had enough business < mining. The Instruction does not have to do with book-keeping or simple accounting but rather to the larger 46 MISSOURI SCHOOL OF MINES features of the business with which the manager of an organiza- tion has to deal. We have no special requirement in connection with the training of students in the looking up of scientific or technical literature but indirectly we emphasize the importance of the matter. Now I think that at the South Dakota State School of Mines we have pretty fairly solved the difficulty of requirements in so far as concerns the four year courses. Briefly we require all of our mining and metallurgical students to take mathematics through calculus. We give calculus four hours the first semester and four hours the second semester. I believe this is doing as well as one can reasonably hope for in a four year course. We require physics — one full year of general physics, and it is a good stiff course. We require of mining students two years of chemistry in addition to the one year required for entrance, and three years for the metallurgical students and most of our students take what practically amounts to four years — this in addition to the distinc- tive metallurgical courses. The two greatest difficulties we have had to contend with are these — how to give the student some work in modern languages, particularly French and Spanish, and how to give some work in certain subjects related in a way but in addition to the sciences required. Personally I think, and I think very seriously in regard to this, that institutions generally over the country today have not awakened to the opportunities and to the advisability of teach- ing some of the most fundamental things in connection with the biological sciences. I believe that if there is to be any revision of our mining and metallurgical courses there should be some real, good, honest study made as to whether or not it might be possible to introduce to the student some of the more important phases of biological knowledge. You may think this strange and that so far as engineering work is concerned the' engineer has no particular use for anything of this kind. We yesterday discussed the cultural needs of men going through our institutions. I think that one of the most helpful cultural subjects that can be devised can be made up of certain phases of geology or certain phases of biology. When I was in college I took five and one-half years of Latin, three and one-half years of Greek, some German, some French, some Anglo- Saxon, and about all the English, literature, and history I could get — more than the catalog required and more mathematics than was required. My friends, I mention what I had in college because I do not want you to think that I speak from lack of knowledge of the studies, which to many minds, are the cultural subjects par excellence. Some of the best opportunities for cultural work are in connection with things far removed from the subjects I have named. It is after all not so much what we teach as how we teach it. If we cannot get cultural things into a course let us teach MINING AND METALLURGICAL EDUCATION 47 some of these things without getting them into the course. I just want to drop a thought in regard to this. If we do not teach some things that are not in the curriculum we are missing a wonderfully good opportunity and personally I fear that we fail to recognize our absolute duty. In my judgment mining and metallurgical men should not go out from an educational institution unless they know something of the fundamental things of life whether it be biology, sociology, or something else. The engineer must know something besides the mere technic of solving physical and chemical problems. He must know something of what life means and when we cannot put all of the valuable cultural things into courses let us see to it that we get some of them in. After all one needs to use ingenuity if he attains success. I do not know that I have anything further to say on the subject of the four-year course. In my judgment the four-year course is all right but I am partial to the alternate of a five-year course. The four-year course is not enough but it is as much as some men can take. In many cases there is good opportunity for the fifth year. We introduced it, other institutions have introduced it. Now, if we are going to have a sixth year, let us have it in all the best that the term implies but when we have wrought out the six-year course let us not forget the good things available in the five-year course and, likewise, let us not overlook the good oppor- tunities of the four-year course. MR. FULTON: I believe Dr. O'Harra struck a key-note in his address; when he dwells on the importance of the sciences particularly of the natural sciences in our higher education. He has expressed the scientist's view of education. Herbert Spencer and Thomas Huxley expressed fundamental ideas on this subject and I firmly believe that the day is coming when most educators will view education from this standpoint. Certainly it is true that no educated man should go forth from a university or school today without some fundamental knowledge of the biological sciences. I distinctly remember zoology and botany in my college course but these subjects have disappeared as unnecessary for the engineer. I agree with Dr. O'Harra when he states that if subjects are to be added to the engineering course they should be of this type rather than the purely technical subjects. Those are the subjects which are pressing for entrance. Can we take the responsibility as educators of engineers and let our men go out without a fundamental knowledge of such subjects as economics, biology, and sociology. There is a tendency in some of the technical schools to make instruction more and more practical, so called. I believe this tendency a great mistake resulting in not much more than a trade school education. I believe that the acceptance of the sciences as cultural subjects and the recognition of the great 48 MISSOURI SCHOOL OF MINES possibilities of biologic science and psychology in ameliorating human life will come rapidly within the next 5 or 10 years, and those of us engaged in education should be prepared to aid in the change. PROF. SPERR: In regard to the many interesting questions under the Symposium on Mining Education which was sent out by our Chairman, Dr. Fulton, in preparation for this Conference, I would say that it would seem to me well to discuss all of these ques- tions exhaustively if we were allowed sufficient time. I have made a few notes on some of the questions as follows: 1. What is the scope and content of a modern course in Min- ing or Metallurgy? Upon the answer to this question there can be no precise agree- ment among educators. The following outline is suggested as a basis for discussion. The number of hours is given as the total time to be devoted to the subject by the student. Hours. Mathematics as far as the calculus 600 Physics — Mechanics, Heat, Light, Magnetism and Elec- tricity 300 Chemistry — Theoretical, Qualitative, and Quantitative including Assaying 900 Geology and Mineralogy 500 Lettering and Drawing 350 Language 250 Wood and Iron Working — Shops 400 Surveying — Field and Mine 750 Materials and Mechanics 800 Hydraulics 150 Electricity 200 Economics, Industrial Accounting and Management 250 Mining Operations, or Metallurgical Operations 600 Plant Design — Either Mining or Metallurgical 200 Total number of hours definitely specified 6,200 Specialized work in any one or more of the above subjects as may seem desirable, including calculus if desired . 1 ,000 Total numbers of hours of undergraduate work 7,200 2. Can the Co-operative System in Engineering as Practiced by the University of Cincinnati be Successfully Applied in a Mining or Metallurgical Education? Yes, where the surrounding conditions are favorable; and no, where they are unfavorable. At the University of Cincinnati they justly emphasize the importance to the student of learning labor conditions. Many of our students work more or less in the mines, mills and smelters during their college career. Such work is not MINING AND METALLURGICAL EDUCATION 49 required for graduation and no credit is given for it towards a degree. For many years we have had the question of requiring such work under consideration. Under our present system the student who works in the mine finds his job like any other laborer and is taken into the confidence of his fellow workmen in a way which would not be open to him if he were placed in his position under the other system, and we think this gives him the greatest possible advantage for learning the laborer. We advise our stu- dents to work in the mines to learn mining and, above all, to learn miners and to learn them sympathetically — in other words, to study the human element. The good driver loves his horse, and the good superintendent loves his men. Good superintendents, good bosses, are born, improved by proper training, but not made to order. We are not yet convinced that we should adopt the other system. 3. What is the Best Way to Make Room in a Mining or Metallurgical Course for the Constantly Increasing Number of Technical Subjects which Apparently Should be Included? No doubt there is yet much room in most of these courses as actually given for the introduction of new technical matter for illustrative purposes, even in the teaching of the so-called funda- mentals. When everything possible has been thus provided for, old matter will have to give way for the new whenever the new is shown to be the more important. 4. What are the Basic Elements of a Mining and Metallurgi- cal Course? Answer, Mathematics, Physics and Chemistry. 5. Should the Mining and Metallurgical Course be Recast and Rebuilt and if so on What Basis? Answer, yes, constantly, and on the basis of improvement for greater efficiency. 6. Are Four Years Enough for a Course in Mining or Metal- lurgy, Taking into Consideration all Elements that Enter into this Problem? This question was quite thoroughly discussed in our conference the other day. 7. How is the Subject Best Taught? Answer, by requiring the reading of certain selected lessons and the solving of definitely assigned problems. The aid of models is helpful, visiting mines is essential, work in laboratories is important, and work in mines is desirable. 8. How is the Subject of Metallurgy Best Taught? Answer, in very much the same way as the subject of mining, except that metallurgical and milling plants and subjects are to be substituted for mines and mining subjects. 9. How Much Mathematics Should there be in the Mining Course? In the Metallurgical Course? See outline under 1 lu- first question. 10. What is the Best Way of Teaching English to Engineering Students? Answer, first by arousing their interest, showing them 50 MISSOURI SCHOOL OF MINES the value of being able to handle the language properly and effi- ciently as one of the necessary means of accomplishment; Second, by requiring the students to speak and write for the teacher's commendation and criticism. The speaking may be in class or in conference discussions and recitations. The writing may be on topics of the students' own choosing. 11. Should the English for Engineering Students be Technical and Limited in Character or Broad and Include Literature? An- swer, the use of good English depends on neither. DEAN BUTLER: I think as scientists or engineers we are apt to believe that uniformity of system is very desirable. I know we feel that way in regard to much of our work, and I used to have the same idea relative to engineering courses; but I am not so sure now that it is desirable for us to work toward absolute uniformity in mining engineering courses. I realize that it would be impossible to achieve that end even if we did attempt to do so, for I have never found two Deans of Mining Schools who could agree in all the particulars of a curriculum. There are, in fact, many reasons why it is not desirable that all mining curricula should be identical. In every institution we have one or more instructors who are excep- tionally good teachers — men who can enthuse their students, who can make them work wonderfully well, and who perhaps mix into their courses some of these other things that we have mentioned and which are not in the curriculum. Such men will naturally find it easy to gain a little extra time for their work, and will do so at the expense of other instructors, who, while they may be good, are in no way exceptional. Then, also, the needs and opportunities of the students in different mining schools vary considerably — some, for instance, are mostly interested in coal mining, while others feel little or no need to study this subject at all; some of you are in regions where iron and steel mining, ore dressing, and metallurgy, are especially important, while others of us see no reason to emphasize these subjects. It seems to me that the object of discussions of this kind is not to attain uniformity, but merely to ascertain what other people are doing and thinking, and to discuss these questions in the hope that we may be given ideas useful to us in our work. I believe, however, that it is possible and desirable to reach agreement as to how much of the funda- mental sciences of mathematics, physics, chemistry, and geology we should demand, and, roughly, what the material covered in these subjects should be. I hope that in subsequent meetings a part of our time, at least, will be given to a consideration of these subjects, and that eventually we shall find ourselves in accord on such matters. MR. FULTON: One of the interesting questions before us is that of mathematics and which was touched on by both Dr. O'Harra and Prof. Sperr. Dean Thomson of Idaho will give us a few remarks on the subject. MINING AND METALLURGICAL EDUCATION 51 DEAN THOMSON *: I want to thank Dr. Fulton for saying "a few remarks" as that saves me from making an explanation as to why I have not a formal paper. First of all with regard to this question of uniformity, some of you may remember a year ago seeing a diagram showing the percentage of time devoted to the various studies which I exhibited at a meeting of the S. P. E. E. I do not think there is any danger as to uniformity. We are evidently not in any very serious situation in respect to that. The diagram does not represent all of the schools but most of the schools. I am sorry to find friend Butler's school omitted. We leave out Columbia because they are on a different plan or basis, but this diagram is based upon the ordinary four years' course. Note a variation in the subjects as given, mining and metallurgical en- gineering, geology, chemistry, physics, mathematics, economics surveying, drawing, etc. Evidently we are a long way from uni- formity in those things, and I am inclined to think it is probably just as well to stay away from uniformity. Strong men will em- phasize their work and it is highly desirable that the students should have the advantage of it. If you have a weak man naturally his work will be minimized. Notice the variation in mathematics. There is variation from a minimum of perhaps 5 % to a maximum of about 15%. What we tried to do was to take the catalogs and work from those. By careful work we managed to get things down to a fairly uniform basis of comparison. Now specifically with respect to the question of mathematics, I imagine I am probably on the opposite side of the question from most of you. Personally I think if we are to let mathematics stand upon the mental discipline ground, it cannot stand there very long. Its position in that field is exactly the position Latin or Greek occupied 30 or 40 years ago, and I do not think such a position can be held much longer. I know there are a good many teachers of the older school, particularly teachers of mathematics who cling to that idea that if one only had a stronger mathematical training he could master anything, but most of us know from personal ex- perience that there is no necessary correlation between mathematical ability and any other kind of ability either in teachers or in students. As to its cultural value I would like to have someone enunciate just what is "cultural education." Mathematics has never been listed as among the fine arts of life and I do not think it can stand very long on the basis of its value in conversation or "pink teas" or anything of that kind. Let us turn now to the ) investigation within the field of Metallurgy for direct assistance to specific interests, which presumably should be shown to bo also public interests. In the treatment of this subject I am limiting the consideration to the training of men for the practice of Metallurgy, and am considering only the first one of the three forms of metallurgical research in "college that are named. As ;i feature of college training, research is naturally expected to play an important part. There is probably no word used in science that calls to dif- ferent minds a more varied range; of images than does the word 76 MISSOURI SCHOOL OF MINES research. To untrained men following Metallurgy, it means ore- testing, to others it means the development of a business system, to others it means a pleasurable compounding of material sub- stances. To an omniscient Creator it must seem like an unenlight- ened juggling of heavy materials to find out facts that should have been known before, through reason. It is one thing in one calling and another elsewhere. In some lines of endeavor it requires the closest scrutiny, the minutest observation and the extreme of patience. In others it demands the sweep of vision and the im- mediate elimination of obstacles. It may be summoned by an urgent purpose, or measured lingeringly, in the love of discovery. It may be in the expectation of remuneration, or renown, or in the ambition to render service to the world for the world's sake. There may be suggestions for it, requests for it, demands for it, or it may emanate from inspiration. It may take the form of a contribution of routine service, or the command and direction of the work of others. The hope may be for a law, a process, a sys- tem, or a chemical substance. It may consist in the rearrange- ment of knowledge that someone else has obtained, or the wander- ing search for new items to add to those we have. We can not lightly define research, nor formulate the qualities that are re- quired for its prosecution. The purpose needs be generous and noble. The execution must be wise. The promptings are seem- ingly the love of truth and the desire for understanding. The manner is constancy and persistency. The means are strength, intellect and material equipment. We do not hope to discover all the elements of discovery. Clearly, research can not go on at the rate the world requires without support; and as surely it should not go on at public cost without publicity. We must approve of the instinct that seeks addition of facts to the fund of total knowledge, taking the items from the great unknown, inaccessible, or remote, and placing them at the service of any who seek knowledge. Research is closely associated with education. It is the natural outgrowth of educa- tion. Except as an incident in education it can not be taught. We can teach methods, impart traits, expound truths, or guide instincts, but we can not teach research otherwise than through the natural course of education, nor can we educate without em- ploying the elements and the methods of research. The one is the natural reaction of the other. It appears unwise, in undergraduate college work, to distort greatly the trend of development in the mind, to introduce a pro- longed effort in research. It leads astray from the immediate con- cern, takes a required, independent direction tangential to the educational purpose, and fixes the pace to the staggering of a ponderous guide. The idea of research enters into each day's accomplishment in education, and is an element in all proper study. MINING AND METALLURGICAL EDUCATION 77 We would not insist on the formal undergraduate thesis. It com- monly has not a high research value, and is of varied and ques- tionable educational value. There is also a limitation to the value, in some cases, to the student in Metallurgy, even of the graduate thesis. As a generous contribution to knowledge, when massive and long, it draws heavily upon the young man's re- sources at a critical time in life when the activities should be directed towards the work to come. The acquirement of experi- ence and the practice of the profession properly are in order when the mind has become matured sufficiently to justify the con- sideration of real research in this engineering branch of science which is characterized by its application. The instinct for re- search and the desire for its publicity will reappear later in the life of a well trained man. In engineering, it is the progressive and enlightened practice, with the open and co-operative instinct that constitutes the highest service in research. Research is pro- moted by the education that develops both the ability and the public spirit in men. The psychologic, economic and social aspect of engineering practice arises as a necessary requirement in the preparation for a career in Metallurgy. Alone, neither psychology, economics nor sociology can be regarded superior to the applied science of Metallurgy, either in disciplinary value or human utility. Like foreign commodities they acquire, in Metallurgy, an enhanced utility by their new environment. They humanize the material science of Metallurgy* and extend and facilitate its application in a world that is dominated by human interests. The student of Metallurgy has no abundance of time to devote to intricate, de- scriptive matter of a remote kind. Organized into a system, treated as a science, and limited to the recognized and accepted laws, facts, and principles, these sciences carry a power into technical practice that is greatly to be desired, and find a place of application not exceeded in importance by that of any other. They may enrich the world through the scientific mind and the honest purpose of the metallurgist by all they have to give. Training pursuant to culture, refinement, taste and the moral sensibilities are not equally thought to be essential in the prepara- tion of the engineer. The severe conditions and hardships that are encountered in the earlier years <>r practice, for many of our engineers, permit of no weakening of the body, nor of the mind, by sensibilities ftot required. The service