ECROYDXSM BY DR. JOHN WATTS. Reprinted from the “ Manchester Examiner,” January 17th, 1882. MANCHESTER: A. IRELAND & CO„ PRINTERS, PALL MALL. ECROYDXSM QIR,—In consequence of the receipt of numerous invitations to ^ meetings which I cannot attend, I should like, through you, to say, if Ecroydism, miscalled “Fair Trade,” be not already dead, what I can to assist its exit from the earth ; and if it be dead, I would like to write upon its tomb as follows :— Free trade means, buy where you please and get all you can for your money. Ecroydism means, buy only where I dictate to you, and get very considerably less for your money ; whilst General protection means, give up all the advantages of ex¬ change with more fertile countries and more ingenious peoples, and get thereby the least possible amount for your money. Now, I say that, by the measures of free trade which Sir R. Peel’s and succeeding Governments have given us, we as a nation are at least one thousand millions sterling richer than we could have been without these measures, as may be demonstrated thus. The taxes repealed, and for which no others have been substituted during forty years, would, if continued till now, have taken out of the pockets of the people three hundred and eighty-seven millions sterling more than they have had to pay. By these repeals of indirect taxation all this money has been saved; and, if 5 per cent at compound interest be added from the time of each repeal, the total, as stated above, will exceed one thousand millions sterling. All this has, 1 say, been effected by the extension of our foreign trade, and our immense foreign trade has grown, and could only have grown, out of the lowering of our tariff. This gain is equal to £4. 3s. 4d. a year for every family in Great 4 Britain, and the capital sum is sufficient to find permanent employment for all the workers in the United Kingdom. Fully one half of our food now comes from abroad in exchange for our manufactures, and if any step be taken to stop or to lessen these imports, then a proportionate number of us must be expa¬ triated, and must go where the food is grown. An import duty even of Id. on the 4ft> loaf, as proposed by Mr. Ecroyd, would raise the price of bread £9,125,000 per annum, and if we put a tariff also on beef, mutton, bacon, eggs, butter, cheese, smd lard, then at least £20,000,000 a year more than we now pay would be needed for food, and there would be that much less for clothes and other necessaries. Would working people like that 1 Let us see how we have done under free trade in the past. In 1840, our total exports amounted to £51,000,000. In 1872 they were <£256,000,000, being an increase of 402 per cent up to that date ; and reckoning up to 1879, after the intervening years of bad trade, our exports were £191,000,000, or 276J per cent increase upon 1840. Our population in Great Britain in 1841 was 16,000,000, and in 1881 it was 26,000,000, an increase of 62^ per cent, so that our foreign trade, even under the recent depression, had increased four times as fast as population. Again, the increase of population is 10,000,000, but the foreign food now imported is enough at 5s. per head per week for 13,000,000 of people ; so that there has been a large increase of food per head for the whole people. The complainers say that our imports exceed our exports by £120,000,000 per annum, which, as we do not pay for them in goods, must be eating into our capital. Let us see. Goods sent abroad are entered at the merchant’s selling prices, but after they leave him they are loaded with pack¬ ing, carrying, and shipping charges, and freight before they leave our shores; and, on arrival at their destination, there are added landing charges and import duty, all of which have to be paid by the foreign consignee, who, therefore, sends us goods to balance all these charges, in addition to the registered value of our exports. Then, many Englishmen have heavy permanent investments abroad, the dividends on which frequently come home in goods, 5 and so again swell the imports, and when a reasonable allowance has been made for profit on these latter goods, it will be easy to see that our imports ought to exceed our exports by 33 per cent at least, which is just about what they do. Our Ecroydist friends tell us that we suffer by the export of gold instead of manufactured produce; but it seems to me that if we export manufactures to Australia in exchange for gold, and make a profit on our goods, and then send the gold to America in exchange for food, and make a profit on that food, that the more of such suffering we have the better it will be for us. Gold, beyond what we need for coinage, is a merchantable commodity as much as calico; but with this advantage, that it is at all times and everywhere acceptable in exchange because it is imperishable, and can at any time, be exchanged again for other commodities. Of course our Ecroydist friends admit that our foreign trade has increased very much, but they declare it to be unprofitable. Let us see. We know that our farmers have not for some years past added much to the riches of the country ; on the other hand, we know that the landlords have had to forego considerable por¬ tions of rent, so that if wealth has been accumulated at all it must have been by the trading portion of the community. Well, the property assessed for income tax in 1843 was £251,000,000, in 1861 it was £335,500,000, and in 1878, at the time of severest depression, it was £578,000,000. I ought to say that in 1843 there was an Irish grievance, inasmuch as Ireland at that time paid no income tax; but the increase from 1861 to 1878, which includes poverty-stricken Ireland, is 42 per cent, or two and a half millions a year, including the years of the cotton famine, the Indian and Chinese famines, and ten years of almost consecutive bad home harvests. Still there may be some doubt whether the advantages of this degree of prosperity have been fully shared by the working classes; and although I have shown that, notwithstanding bad home harvests, their proportion of food has been considerably increased, I will now go still farther, and to test the progress of the prudent portion of the working classes, I will turn to the condition of the savings banks. 6 In 1841 the deposits standing to credit were in round numbers £24,500,000, in 1870 they were £53,000,000, and in 1880, after six years of bad trade, and a long series of bad harvests, they were £78,000,000, thus shewing two and a half millions per annum increase during the later period. So that the prudent portion of the working classes have been saving, through the savings banks alone, as much as the middle and upper classes put together. Let us go one step further. Our paupers in 1849 in Great Britain were 934,419. In 1870 they were 1,079,000, having about kept pace with the increase of population ; but in 1880 they had fallen to 837,000, being 331,000 fewer than they would have been if they had still increased in the proportion of the population; so that whatever may have been the sufferings from bad trade and deficient harvests, the working class have had no unfair proportion of it. Now, it is a very good doctrine to let well alone, or to continue in well-doing ; but Ecroydism, instead of pressing us forward to the abolition of the duties now levied upon tea, coffee, cocoa, raisins, currants, and wines, which abolition would increase still further our trade with China and India, with Spain, France, and other countries, asks us to hark back, and to again tax imports of provisions, for the benefit of the landlords at home, and of the landlords and squatters in our colonies—the very people in all the world who least need it; and we are asked to do this at the expense principally of the working classes at home, and our Ecroydish friends call that fair trade. To my thinking it is about as unfair a scheme as was ever promulgated, for let it be remem¬ bered that the working class are five-sixths of the population, and that they must pay five-sixths of all the taxes on food. Let us see how these proposed taxes would operate. The Financial fteform Almanack tells us that for every shilling we now spend on cocoa 2d. is for the tax; that for every shilling spent on coffee 3|d. is for the tax; that for every shilling spent on raisins 4d. is for the tax; that of every shilling spent on tea 8d. is for the tax ; and that of every shilling spent on tobacco lOd. is for the tax. Is it really desirable to extend this system 1 7 Some people say that, since we must have taxes, it is well to collect them unknown to the people. But this manner of collecting taxes is very costly, and hinders the increase of trade, for the importer who brings in the goods and pays the tax has to employ more capital in his trade for the purpose ; and he and all others through whose hands the goods pass to the consumer take a trading profit on the tax, instead of using that extra capital for the extension of trade. That the 'lowering and abolition of tariffs does extend trade without loss even to the revenue is easily shown. Thus we have entirely abolished our tariff upon hundreds of articles during the last forty years, and yet we now collect-from the few remaining articles which are taxed nearly as much as ever. The products of our tariff at different periods have been as follow :— 1841-50. 1861-70. 1871-80. £22,500,000 per annum. £23,500,000 per annum. £21,500,000 per annum. The same fact can also be shown in a different way, thus : England has a tariff including very few articles, whilst the French tariff includes a large number of articles; the German tariff includes still more, and the American tariff includes nearly all articles, and charges very high rates. Now, when it is remem¬ bered that our population is smaller than any of those above named, the bare statement of the incomes from customs duties is very significant, thus : Germany raises £5,000,000 per annum, for a population of 42,000,000 ; France £10,000,000 per annum, for a population of 37,000,000 ; England £20,000,000 per annum, for a population of 35,000,000 ; and America £26,000,000 per annum, for a population of 45,000,000. So that England, with her meagre tariff, raises immensely more in proportion to her population than the comprehensive tariffs of France and Germany do, and within a fraction of the amount produced by the universal tariff of the United States. The Americans pay three cents per Bb tax on sugar, ten cents per yard on alpaca, and two dollars per pair on blankets. The western farmers of America are finding out that a large portion of 8 the natural profit on their work is now going to uphold the monopoly of the manufacturers of the eastern states, and as the people of the west outnumber those of the eastern states, they will in their own interests demand a revision of the tariff which robs them. There is one and only one danger in the way, and that is the danger of English interference. We have no moral right to dictate how other nations shall conduct their trade, and nothing is more likely in a proud nation like that of America to prevent the progress we wish to see than our undue urgency, except it be our taking a backward step ourselves professedly to hurry others for¬ ward. We profess to have prospered on Free Trade, regardless of the tariffs of other nations; who will believe us if we revert to customs duties, even upon the plea that we want to drive other nations to abolish theirs ? Germany, the most recent convert to Protection, has quadrupled the emigration of her people by the experiment, and still complains of bad trade. Let us keep clear, say I, of both Bismarckism and Ecroydism, and by still larger exports of manufactured produce bring home still larger stores of food and the raw materials of clothing, to the enrichment of our nation and the benefit of mankind. I am, yours faithfully, JOHN WATTS. A. Ireland & Co., Printers, Pall Mall, Manchester. Report of the Proceedings at the Annual Dinner, June 24, 1871. The Right Hon. EARL GRANVILLE, K.G., IN THE CHAIR. WITH LIST OF MEMBERS. LONDON: PRINTED BY CASSELL, PETTER, AND GALPIN, LUDGATE HILL, E.C. 1871. * REPORT OF THE PROCEEDINGS ANNUAL DINNER COBDEN CLUB, June 24TH, 1871. The Right Hon. EARL GRANVILLE, K.G., IN THE CHAIR. WITH LIST OF MEMBERS. LONDON: PRINTED BY CASSELL, PETTER, AND GALPIN r LUDGATE HILL, E.C. 1871. N.B.—All communications for the Hon. Sec., Thomas Bayley Potter, M.P., should be addressed to him at the Reform Club, Pall Mall, London. The Bankers of the Club are the London and Westminster Bank, Westminster Branch, I, Si. fameds Square, London, S.W., when subscriptions should be paid on the 1st of fanuary in each year. It is suggested, for the convenience of Members, that they should leave with the Secretary their usual address, and also an order on their Bankers to pay their subscription on the 1 st of January in each year to the Bankers of the Club, to whom all cheques should be made payable. Blank forms may be had on application to the Secretary. 23. Chalcot Crescent, Regent’s Park Road, N.W. GEORGE W. EVANS, Secretary. THE COBDEN CLUB. The annual dinner of the Cobden Club was held at the Ship Hotel, Greenwich, on the 24 th June. It may¬ be to some a necessary reminder that the Club is not an institution with a local habitation, but a society for spreading and developing the principles of Mr. Cob¬ den, by publications and other means, of which this annual celebration is one. A large party, including several foreign guests, went by special steamer from the House of Commons’ stairs to Greenwich, and a considerable proportion of them returned by the boat at night. One hundred and ninety-five sat down to dinner; Lord Granville presided, and among those by whom he was supported were the Right Hon. the Marquis of Ripon, K.G., Lord Acton, Baron Mackay (Holland), Sir Louis Mallet, C.B., Capt. S. Osborn, R.N., C.B., M. Arles-Dufour (France), Cyrus W. Field (United States), M. Corr-Vander Maeren (Belgium), A 2 4 COB DEN CLUB. Dr. Julius Faucher (Germany), M. Auguste Couvreur (Belgium), Herr Otto Michaelis (Germany), Montague Bernard, M. Gustave d’Eichthal (France), T. Michell, Herr George Bunsen (Germany), Hugh McCulloch (United States), Odo Russell, Herr Max Schlesinger, Mahlon Sands (United States), C. H. Marshall (United States), Dr. Spinsio (Austro-Hungarian Vice-Consul), T. Willerding (Swedish and Norwegian Consul- General), Right Hon. James A. Lawson, W. E. Baxter, M.P., Sir C. W. Dilke, Bart., M.P., Sir Joseph Whit¬ worth, Bart., Sir Charles Wingfield, K.C.S.I., C.B., M.P., W. P. Adam, M.P., W. C. Cartwright, M.P,. Serjeant Dowse, M.P., J. T. Hibbert, M.P., Sabbas Viikovics (Austro-Hungarian Empire), General Wood- hall (United States Legation), E. S. Nadal (United States Legation). The general company included, besides a large number of members of Parliament, many of the political and personal friends of the late Mr. Cobden, from Manchester. The vice-chair was occupied by Mr. Thomas Bayley Potter, M.P. Grace was said by the Rev. Edwin Hatch, and the Rev. Alton Hatchard returned thanks. The noble President of the evening, who on rising, received a most cordial welcome, in proposing the first toast, said: MM. les Strangers, my Lords and- ANNUAL DINNER. 5 Gentlemen—I beg to thank you for the kind recep¬ tion with which you have greeted me. Our excellent vice-chairman (Mr. Thomas Bayley Potter), whom you have already cheered at the unorthodox hour of duck and green peas, has just placed in my hands an address of welcome from the Advanced Liberal Association of Greenwich, which I have no doubt will be agreeable to the members of this club. (Hear, hear.) I have now to propose a health which, accord¬ ing to routine, is proposed not only every year, but every month, and almost every week and every day in this country. It is proposed to you to drink the health of'the illustrious lady on the throne of this country. (Cheers.) It has become almost common¬ place to say that we have never had a more constitu¬ tional monarch than her Majesty, and I cannot help thinking that, looking back into the history either of our own or other countries, it is a remarkable fact that the only complaint I have ever heard raised against her Majesty, as a Sovereign, is that in the hour of her bereavement and affliction, she has not been as much among her people as their affection and their loyalty would make them desire. (Cheers.) The late Prince Consort knew and appreciated Mr. Cobden, not only as a public man, for he had a great 6 COB DEN CLUB. opportunity of observing his work and his ability as a colleague at the time of the Great Exhibition of 1851. (Cheers.) I have regretted, for great national reasons, that Mr. Cobden always resisted the accept¬ ance of official life ; and I regret it in connection with this toast, because I believe it would have given the Queen an opportunity of knowing him and liking him in the way she has done his illustrious friend and fellow-labourer, John Bright. (Cheers.) I don’t know whether it is out of place for me to say that, having been in attendance recently on her Majesty at Bal¬ moral, I had the immense pleasure of receiving from him a communication written with his usual spirit, and talking of his recovery as being very near. (Cheers.) I communicated the fact to her Majesty, who desired me at once to telegraph to Mr. Bright that, if he thought it prudent in regard to his health,, she hoped he would come and spend two or three days' in retirement at Balmoral. (Loud cheers.) I think it is not necessary for me to speak more to induce you to drink, with the usual enthusiasm, “The Health of her Majesty.” (Loud cheers.) Earl Granville then rose to propose the prin¬ cipal toast of the evening. He said : My Lords and Gentlemen—In obedience to the despotic orders of ANNUAL DINNER. 7 Mr. Potter, I rise to propose the toast of “ Prosperity to the Cobden Club.” _ (Hear.) I own that, flattered as I was by your invitation to preside on this occasion, I felt some doubt as to my right to assume that re¬ sponsibility. If there is one thing which gives me courage in doing it, it is this painful reminiscence, that I entered Parliament thirty-five years ago, and that except for a short interval I have sat in one or other of the Houses of Parliament ever since that time (cheers) and that during that period one of the things that I look back to with the greatest pride and satisfaction is, that even before Mr. Cobden was in the House of Commons, I gave constant votes in favour of free trade. (Cheers.) I have never yet given one contrary to those principles which were so much abused at one time, but which are so absolutely consecrated in the minds of Englishmen at the pre¬ sent moment. (Cheers.) Mr. Cobden had one great advantage, which does not always happen to men who create for themselves an historical name. Before his death he had extorted the respect and the admiration, not only of his political and personal friends, but of those who had been previously most strongly op¬ posed to him. (Hear.) It is not necessary for me to repeat to the Cobden Club what Sir Robert Peel 8 COB DEN CLUB. thought and said of Richard Cobden. (Hear, hear.) I think there are many of you that must have remem¬ bered that striking scene in the House of Commons, so numerously represented this evening, when three men as different as possible— Lord Palmerston, Mr. Disraeli, and Mr. Bright — paid a tribute to his memory almost immediately after his death. (Hear.) You will remember how Lord Palmerston spoke of his noble and Demosthenic eloquence ; how Mr. Disraeli said he had hardly an equal in debate; and how both concurred in giving full testimony to the moderation of his character and to the statesmanlike quality of his mind (cheers) ; and how Mr. Bright, unable to do more from emotion than just to falter out what I believe was one of the truest compliments ever paid to a departed friend, said that no manlier or gentler spirit had ever tenanted or quitted the human frame. (Cheers.) Since that time there have been some most magnificent—I may almost call them funeral—ora¬ tions pronounced with regard to the memory of Mr. Cobden, and in the presence of the members of this club. I believe it is not your wish I should repeat the panegyric, for it would have been contrary to the simplicity of his character if he had thought this was to be an annual custom, however proud he might ANNUAL DINNER. 9 have been that a club which bore his name, increasing in numbers every year, should meet to celebrate the great principles which he advocated, and which he had so much advanced. (Cheers.) Those principles, I believe, were liberty in things political, liberty in things religious, and liberty in things material. (Loud cheers.) I believe almost every subject which he raised, whether of over-taxation for purposes not re¬ quired, whether for removing legal restrictions upon the sale of land, whether it was for maintaining peaceful relations with other countries, all might be brought back to the feeling which he entertained for liberty unrestricted, but without license, in everything. (Cheers.) We feel great pleasure in being surrounded by the representatives of seven or eight different nations this evening (cheers) ; and I may say that I have received a letter from M. Wolowski, in which he expressses his regret that as he is standing for the city of Paris he is not able to meet us here to-night. I have a longer letter from M. Chevalier, that name so well known to you. (Cheers.) He eloquently dwells upon the circumstances of the present time, and particularly upon the pain which would have been excited in Cobden’s mind, both by the great war which is now happily closed, and by the COB DEN CLUB. io threat that that treaty in which he took such interest is likely to suffer in some degree. Now, with regard to Mr. Cobden, I quite admit that in respect of the events of the last year there is much that would have pained him deeply. But I do not believe there is a single thing which has occurred, or is likely to occur, which can weaken in us the conviction how right and how wise he was. (Cheers.) It is not for me to speak of the events of the war which has just closed, or to try to describe the causes which led to it; but I can say that it is to me a feeling of indescribable relief that I am now standing between two gentlemen, one representing that great nation France, the other that great nation Germany, and that they are at peace instead of their being at strife, as they were a short time ago. (Cheers.) Perhaps I may,' however, be allowed to say something with regard to ourselves, and certain morals which I think we can draw from recent events. (Hear, hear.) I think it was Cobden who stated that upon the whole he thought we were the most combative race in existence. (Hear, hear, and a laugh.) I entirely share that opinion. I think we show it in almost every way. There is something in our nature which requires the stimulus of obstacles. Whether it is competition in commerce or in any ANNUAL DINNER. other good thing, we require that stimulus before we put out one-half of our power. (Hear, hear.) I could instance in another respect the marvellous power of grumbling which we possess. (A laugh.) By our knowledge of that art, and by our continuous practice of it, we have obtained nearly all the good things which belong to the nation. (Hear, hear, and cheers.) I am happy to say I think we have profited immensely by the labour of Cobden and others in their appeals to our good sense to consider what our duty is in great events, such as wars. (Hear, hear.) There is always a concurrent feeling that war in itself is cer¬ tainly a great calamity and a great crime. (Cries of “ Hear, hear.”) I think we observed those two feel¬ ings a little in competition during the last few melan¬ choly months. I am not now speaking of the Cobden Club or of those who profess its principles; but I be¬ lieve there was hardly a man in England who did not deeply regret the beginning of that war, and who did not wish that it might be prevented. (Hear, hear.) Some sympathised with one combatant, some with the other. Some felt an interest in Germany working out its great destiny and uniting itself; others felt them¬ selves bound to France by ties of all sorts in peace, and I must also add in war. (Cheers.) But the 12 COB DEN CLUB. general feeling of Englishmen was that the course of her Majesty’s Government ought to be that of a strict and honourable neutrality. I am aware that being a member of that Government, and belonging to the Foreign Office, it is possibly presumptuous in me to say so, but even after the events, coming in very rapid succession as they did, with many surprises, I am not aware of her Majesty’s Government having departed in one single iota from the strictness and from the honour of the neutrality which they believed the nation desired them to maintain. (Cheers.) And yet at times, as we read the accounts of those marvellous feats, and as we heard all sorts of stories of military prowess and of military calamities, there was a sort of undefined feeling that we ought to be doing some¬ thing, though we did not know exactly what that particular thing was. Dignitaries of the Church wrote little tales for school children (laughter), sold not by tens or hundreds, but by tens of thousands, which, however amusing they might be, appeared to me to contain only one moral, and that was, that it was disgraceful and humiliating for this country to conduct itself industriously and peacefully while any other two nations were fighting, and while one, as generally must happen, was not so successful as the other. ANNUAL DINNER. 13 (Loud cheers and laughter.) I am bound to say that in some of the speeches and writings there seems to be a feeling that war was in itself such a desirable thing that there was almost a want of ingenuity and skill in her Majesty’s Government in not managing to involve us in a contest, which I believe in my con¬ science would have been of no use to either one party or the other, but which would infallibly have involved the whole of Europe in that dreadful calamity, and would have prolonged the miseries and sacrifices of the two great and, to us, friendly nations which were concerned. (Cheers.) I rejoice to think that I be¬ lieve all those feelings have passed away ; but, at the time, I did sometimes feel,regret that some man of the independent position and thought of Richard Cobden (cheers) was not alive to put before the country, in the manner which he knew so well how to do, the common sense and the reason of the matter. (Renewed cheers.) Another question which certainly would have grieved Mr. Cobden was that one conse¬ quence of the war is the probability that the treaty of commerce, which he took such pride in negotiating, is likely, in some way, to be affected. Now, I believe, in this country, even at the present time, there has been some misapprehension as to the views of Mr. 14 COB DEN CLUB. Cobdcn in negotiating that treaty. I believe Mr. Cobden was the last man to think that free trade was to be promoted by reciprocity treaties, or by haggling for light advantages from one country to another. Whatever Mr. Cobden was, he was not a mere theorist. He was a practical man. He saw how useful the ab¬ sence of protection had been, yet he was aware, after our example had not been taken up on the continent of Europe, that there generally prevailed on that con¬ tinent an opinion that England had resisted the bad effects of protection merely from some exceptional circumstances, such as her great seaboard, her accu¬ mulated capital, or her mineral wealth, perhaps not recollecting that Switzerland had for years succeeded in the same course, certainly without much access to the sea (hear), I am afraid without great accumula¬ tion of capital, and I have yet to learn whether she has any large production of coal and iron. (Hear, hear.) Mr. Cobden believed the opportunity was presented by which not free trade, but a mitigation of protection, a withdrawal from prohibitive duties, might be started in France, and the germ of real free trade might be planted there ; and, from the vast in¬ fluence which that country exercised over the rest of Europe, he was perfectly convinced, as facts have ANNUAL DINNER. 15 proved, that if France lowered her tariff, other countries would follow an example which they would be un¬ willing to take from us in the first instance. (Cheers.) I stated that this treaty appears to be threatened. M. Thiers has rendered during the last month very great services to his country. (Hear, hear.) He has restored peace and order, and I believe in his patriotic wish to maintain liberty, to encourage in¬ dustry, and to build up the finances of France. (Hear, hear.) It is not for me to read a lesson to so eminent a man dealing with the home affairs of his country, or to say whether the views which on past occasions he has expressed are the best calculated to forward those objects which I believe he has truly at heart; but, on the other hand, I am not prepared to argue against some two hundred members of the Cobden Club whether anything resembling protec¬ tion is the most likely way to encourage industry or to increase the revenue at a time when it is absolutely necessary to be increased. (Cheers.) I believe there never was better advice given than that which I saw in a blue book by chance the other day, extracted from a letter from Mr. Cobden to Sir Emerson Tennent, in respect to the action of the Chambers of Commerce of this country, in pressing the Foreign COBDEN CLUB. 16 Office to obtain reductions of tariffs and duties abroad. He believed it was injurious to the interests of the Foreign Office, and that all that could be done by a well-informed Minister abroad was to take judicious occasions to point out exactly what had been the success of the revision of duties, and the abolition of protection, not only with regard to the industry of this country, but with regard to establishing a rapid increase of its revenue. He said he believed the way to help protection in foreign countries was for protectionists there to be able to say, “ See how your rivals in trade are anxious to get concessions from us,” and to say in an attractive form to those who are unenlightened, “ Do you think it is patriotism alone and regard for your interests, in comparison with that of a stranger, which makes them clamour so loud for us to do that which we tell you is un¬ wise?” (Hear, hear.) I need hardly say that if any definite proposal on the subject of the French Treaty is made to us it will be received with the most friendly consideration on the part of her Majesty’s Government. We are really anxious to be of use to France in her present—I hope temporary —state of depression, and there are several alternative proposals which my colleagues may think it right ANNUAL DINNER. 17 for me to make; but one thing, I am sure, if they wished me to do it, would be contrary to the wishes of Mr. Cobden, and that is, to renew negotiations for a fresh treaty of commerce based upon a retro¬ grade principle. (Cheers.) I have trespassed upon you too long—(no, no)—upon points on which Mr. Cobden would have felt acutely connected with the state of Europe; but I am bound to add that there are also circumstances of the present time which I believe would have given the most hearty satisfaction to that distinguished statesman. There is a country, a very interesting and a very great country—(cheers) —separated by an immense expanse of water from us. It is one which Mr. Cobden was not ignorant of, for he took in it the deepest interest for itself, and it was one which he earnestly desired might be warmly and nearly connected with this country in every way. (Hear, hear.) I think it was not long before his death that Mr. Cobden made a speech in the House of Commons, stating—and he kept his word—that he would not say anything from the American point of view, but would. speak only in the sense of our British interests, when he urged upon this country what he considered to be the true state of the case as to what it was desirable that we B COB DEN CLUB. 18 should do. I believe that speech had a great effect —I know it had a very great effect upon the mind of one of the most distinguished statesmen of the time—both in England and America—in gradually bringing both countries to wish to remove all causes of difference and offence which might exist. I be¬ lieve it enabled Government after Government pro¬ gressively to advance to measures of a conciliatory nature, and to reach that stage of understanding with America which has made possible what it has been the singular good fortune of Lord Ripon— (cheers)—and Mr. Montague Bernard—(cheers)—here present, and of their absent colleagues, to effect, and which I believe to have been a great and good work. (Loud cheers.) I do not only speak of their having put into a fair train of settlement questions of an irritating character, which were festering be¬ tween the two countries, but I speak also of what they have done for the future, greatly, I believe, in the interest of America, and I believe still more greatly in the interest of this country, with regard to the settlement of questions which might have arisen; and, above all, I think they have done a good work in setting an example of the way in which dissensions, which might be the commencement. ANNUAL DINNER. 19 of quarrels between great nations, should be settled by initiating the principle—(cheers)—that instead of nations being absolute judge in their own cause—a thing, as Mr. Cobden said, which is unknown in private life—they should endeavour as much as pos¬ sible, first by peaceable negotiation, and secondly by arbitration when possible—(hear, hear)—to settle differences in a way which leaves nothing behind it but feelings of friendship, peace, and goodwill. (Cheers.) One single word which I wish to say— and perhaps some of you may not agree with me— is, that I do not profess to be a peace-at-any-price man—(hear, hear)—and I have a right to say that Mr. Cobden himself was opposed to any notion of our disarmament, for he stated so himself in the House of Commons ; and I say more, with regard to other men like Mr. Cobden, or the most peaceable members of the Cobden Club, that if real insult or real injury were offered to this country, I should be extremely sorry to stand bail for their peaceable behaviour—(cheers and laughter)—although in other times when they thought the insult was not sufficient and the interest was not great, they had had the moral courage, so much more rare than physical courage, to state their opinions and to endeavour B 2 20 COB DEN CLUB. to calm public opinion. (Loud cheers.) I was accused the other day in the House of Lords of being too complimentary, of showering too many compliments upon everybody concerned in this nego¬ tiation, so I am glad in the presence of some of my American friends to state that if there is a flaw in the American character, it possibly is a rather strik¬ ing adherence to Protectionist opinions—(laughter)—^ in one of the greatest and freest countries in the world. But if I may venture to offer an excuse, which I am afraid some Americans will not do on this occasion, I would say there are reasons which have engendered those feelings, and there are reasons to hope a different course of things will be pursued. For many years before the civil war, the men of America were absorbed with one of the most painful and difficult questions that ever oppressed a great nation: I mean that of slavery. I believe—(hear, hear)—that prevented the examination which would otherwise have been given to politico-economical truths, which in our leisure we very recently, and with not so much reason to justify the course pur¬ sued in previous years, have honestly and sincerely advocated. Then came that great struggle, and that struggle creating an enormous debt — the ANNUAL DINNER. 2t Americans with praiseworthy earnestness are trying to abolish that debt. It is not for me to say whether their protective duties are the best way of raising revenue; but what I do say is, that under no pressure from foreign countries, but from calm and deliberate reasoning among themselves, and from that perfect and astute knowledge which, above all races, they possess, they are rapidly coming to the conclusion that it is not in their own interest to continue tariffs of such an enormous amount. (Hear, hear.) I believe that now that undoubted seeds of friendship and good feeling have been planted firmly between the two nations—if such a consummation is produced—there will be nothing to prevent the two nations, having so much in common both in the present and in the past, being politically, inter¬ nationally, and socially more closely united in the future for their own advantage and benefit, and I will say for the advantage and benefit of the whole world. (Loud cheers.) I really have to apologise to you for trespassing so long ; but I must beg you to drink with three times three and real enthusiasm, “ Prosperity to the Cobden Club,” coupling with the toast the name of Sir Louis Mallet. Sir Louis Mallet, in responding, said : I have 22 COB DEN CLUB. been requested by the committee to respond to the toast which has just been drunk, to the “ Prosperity of the Cobden Club.” The eloquent speech of the noble lord who has done us the honour of presiding over our meeting to-night, and the cordial tribute which he has paid to the character and objects of this association, are not the less graceful, because they were not needed, to assure us of his enlightened appreciation of the great principles which the name of Cobden represents, and which it is our aim to uphold and promote. And when I look around me, and see the numerous distinguished men of other countries and of our own who have come to our annual celebration to-day, animated by the same thoughts and inspired by the same hopes, and have heard the cordial response to the invitation of our chairman, I feel more than ever that the cause which unites us is a living force, which is destined to prevail over national prejudices and class jealousies, and to command the consent of mankind. This is a time when it is especially needful for Freetraders to renew their efforts and reassert their principles, opposed irreconcilably, as they must always be, to the econo¬ mical doctrines which find their natural expression in war and revolution, and which—whether in the ANNUAL DINNER. 23 name of Protection, which is the spoliation of the many by the few, or of Communism, which is the spoliation of the few by the many—are alike de¬ structive to the common interests of all, and to the foundations of society itself. This association con¬ stitutes, my lords and gentlemen, a standing protest against those subversive and reactionary doctrines; it believes that in the beneficent operation of the laws of free exchange—of which Cobden was the great practical teacher — will be found the gradual but sure solution of some of the gravest social and political problems which beset the course of modern progress, in the reconciliation of class to class, and of nation to nation. I thank you, my lords and gentlemen, for the toast which you have drunk, and accept it as a pledge of our union, and as a happy augury that our society will become more and more worthy of the honoured name it bears. Lord ACTON rose to propose “The Foreign Guests.” He said there were present men from France and Germany, from America and other countries, who represented that school of practical and states¬ manlike economists who were striving to convey ideas into facts for the benefit of mankind, the school of which the name of Mr. Cobden was the symbol in England. To whatever school they belonged, and from whatever land they came, they met here on neutral and congenial ground, because the principles of social, political, and economic science which they were united to uphold were superior to national con¬ flicts, and were destined to be raised above the contro¬ versies of party. A famous German writer, after paying us the compliment of saying that no country and no branch of literature had a more illustrious series of names to show than the four great masters of political economy in England, went on to say that there was a flavour of insularity in their writings, and that they were not very well informed of the ideas and conditions of the Continent. If there was any answer to this reproach it might be found in the exer¬ tions of this Club, and in those researches into the land laws of different countries which had been con¬ ducted and published under its auspices, and to which several foreigners had contributed, one of whom was present. And if there was any remedy for this im¬ puted defect, it would be supplied by the frequent presence among us of so many distinguished men from abroad. The time was opportune and propitious for such a meeting. When the Club met here last year that great war was just beginning, whose bit- ANNUAL DINNER. 25 terest effects political economy was powerless to avert, but powerful to assuage (hear, hear), and which had ended in restoring and consolidating a people too long divided ; so that the gentleman who would speak in behalf of Germany would speak as the citizen of a united, mighty, and enlightened Empire. (Hear, hear.) More recently, France had passed through the most terrible convulsion that was ever caused by the conflict of economic errors ; and the memory of her misfortunes would insure to her spokesman here a reception at least as respectful and sympathising as he could have found in prouder and more prosperous times. (Cheers.) America would be represented by one who knew by experience, better perhaps than any public man, how a great people, tried by war and by the sudden creation of a vast national debt, can re¬ store its finances, reduce its burdens, and resume its lofty place among the nations. He proposed “The Health of the Foreign Guests,” and associated the toast with three distinguished names—M. Arles- Dufour, Mr. George von Bunsen, and Mr. Hugh McCulloch. (Cheers.) M. Arles-Dufour, who was very warmly cheered, said in reply: Gentlemen, in answering the kind and noble toast which the noble lord proposes, I 26 COB DEN CLUB. am quite at a loss to express what we all feel. In the present unhappy circumstances of my country I should, perhaps, confine myself to thanking you, and all our English friends, for the evidences of deep sympathy which have been so freely offered to France ; but the revered memory of our illustrious and regretted Cob- den, which we celebrate to-day, demands something more, especially at a moment in which what he him¬ self considered, and what we all consider, as the crowning act of his life is more than threatened by men who, in spite of a long career, appear to have forgotten and learned nothing. In his eternal life how our friend must suffer in seeing the misfortunes of that France towards which he felt so warmly! Above all, how he must suffer in seeing her about to return to those barbarous principles of Protection from which he thought he had largely contributed to deliver her for ever! He was well aware, indeed, both of the strength and the weakness of a people who, under the influence of an idea, are capable of advancing with giant strides, but also at times of re¬ trograding with almost equal rapidity. Still I doubt whether his logical mind could have conceived so sudden a change. Cobden was the very type of common sense, and in this respect he really was the ANNUAL DINNER. 27 Franklin of England, her bonJiomme Richard. In the course of an intimacy, long, and yet too short, I con¬ tinually recognised and admired in him this gift of Heaven, common sense, the most rare of all. Allow me to quote, in connection with this, an extract from one of his letters—letters at once so simple, so naive, and so profound. In 1861, after the dissolution of the Corn Law League and the conclusion of the Treaty of Commerce, I urged him strongly to join his old friends in forming an International Peace League. He wrote in answer: “ My dear friend—I am much obliged by your letters. To confess the truth, I don’t see how an international league is to promote peace in any other way than by commercial intercourse. That is the way alone in which the peoples can carry out the designs of the Creator, as evident in the laws of the creation. This process will go on rapidly under the new Treaty. It would have gone on from the beginning of time, as in our day, and left no dis¬ tinction between Englishmen and Frenchmen, had it not been for perverse human legislation.” I continue, and say that the men who are now at the head of affairs in France have learned little, and the proof of it is the unheard-of precipitation with which they seek to overturn, in a few days, economical results 28 COBDEN CLUB. obtained after nearly a century of study and expe¬ rience by such men as, in England, Adam Smith, Bentham, Ricardo, Bright, John Stuart Mill, Bow¬ ring, George Villiers, Granville; in France, Quesn6, Turgot, Jean Baptiste Say, Bastiat, Michel Chevalier, Jean Dolphus ; in Russia and in Germany, Storch. They excuse also their precipitation by pleading the absolute necessity of augmenting the public revenue rapidly—ignorant, or feigning to be ignorant, that an increase of revenue derived from heavy duties on raw materials and manufactured articles is at best ficti¬ tious, since it paralyses labour, production, and con¬ sumption. They ought to have looked elsewhere for the necessary resources, and they would have found them, particularly in establishing the income-tax, which they pretend to be impossible in France, when it is established, not only in England, but also in Ger¬ many, and even in Switzerland. But our narrow¬ minded statesmen rather prefer taxing labour than fortune; it is logic—with their reactionary ideas. They also justify those measures by the example of the United States, where, in a position analogous to ours, the Government had recourse to heavy duties; but if they had seriously studied the result of this policy, they would have seen that it has ANNUAL DINNER. 29 partly ruined the maritime commerce of the United States to the advantage of that of England. But let us not despair, let us take courage; these men will pass away, France will soon perceive that their influence is fatal, and she will find the resources she requires by more natural means which will not paralyse her progress. Those who in France fear that England, like herself, should make a backward step by adopting measures of reprisal, do not know her wise and persevering character. I believe, on the contrary, that the statesmen who laboured with Cobden to establish commercial freedom, and of whom some are now sitting at this table, will endea¬ vour rather to extend than to restrain or check it. They understand too well the true interests of their country, to follow our leaders in their ignorance of the interests of France. I conclude, gentlemen, by pro¬ posing a toast to the men who, in whatever situation or country, labour for the complete and unreserved triumph of the liberty of commerce, sister of all other liberties, and to the memory of Cobden, its most illustrious champion. Mr. George von Bunsen followed, and com¬ pared these yearly gatherings to the Olympiads in this respect, that they were festive occasions when the 30 COB DEN CLUB. new and characteristic science of modern days, Inter¬ national Economy, cast up her accounts to see what progress had been made. He then said that allusion had been made to the fact that the new Empire of Germany was intent upon economic progress, and that nations were never safe from economic backslidings. The history of that powerful State which now formed the nucleus of the German Empire, furnished both a promise and a warning. Prussia was the first State to introduce practically and consciously the doctrines of Adam Smith—(cheers)—when she introduced in 1818 a tariff resting upon the principle of a maximum io per cent, ad valorem duty, and that after the most prolonged and devastating war of modern days. Pite¬ ously impoverished as she then was, her example might now with propriety be followed by the rulers of France. (Hear, hear.) He grieved to say Prussia receded from this high and proud station of free trade, and obeyed, during a whole generation and more, the dictates of other German States, whom she strove to collect into a commercial and Customs’ union, called the Zollverein. Although the sympathies of her rulers, who had sat at the feet of those much- abused professors—(hear, hear)—followers and disci¬ ples of Adam Smith, were all in favour of free trade, ANNUAL DINNER. 3 i although the entire German press, with scarcely one exception, was loudly proclaiming its principles, Prussia submitted to the protectionist tendencies of her peers under institutions closely resembling those of Poland under the regime of the liberum veto. From this retrograde movement into protection who saved her ? England and the Anglo-French Treaty of i860. (Loud cheers.) He offered a passing tribute of ac¬ knowledgment and thanks to M. Arles-Dufour, M. Chevalier, and other enlightened Frenchmen for the benefit they bestowed, while preparing and carrying that measure, upon their own country and upon his as well; for that treaty was the mother of similar treaties between France and Italy, France and Austria, France and Germany. And here was a case to prove, against the detractors of international Treaties, if such detrac¬ tors there be, that a country was actually saved at times from a cul-de-sac position in internal questions of great moment, through the peaceful workings of diplomacy. (Hear, hear.) At home he was a member of the Liberal Opposition (cheers), and, therefore, a simple word of acknowledgment to those who conducted the economic affairs of Germany since 1867 will be kindly accepted by them, as genuine and unbiassed. (Cheers.) One of those whom the committee had done the 32 COB DEN CLUB. honour of inviting to this feast, Herr Michaelis, was the man under whose advice and, if he were well in¬ formed, from whose pen emanated in rapid succession those Bills on economic matters of which it was not too much to say that they had changed the entire social and economic fabric of Germany, at the same time welding it indissolubly together. To his chief, Herr Delbriick, the head of the Federal Administra¬ tion, was due the initiative to all those trenchant reforms, one of which was the lowering of the duty- on raw iron by two-thirds at one blow. And as for the illustrious Chancellor, Prince Bismarck, into whose hands Providence has laid power so incalculably great, he could but express his honest conviction that every principle of economic progress, every social teaching requiring width of mind and soul to comprehend, ever met with a ready response in his powerful brain, and found his iron arm ready to carry it through. (Cheers.) In conclusion, he said, may the day soon come—and come eventually it must—when America and Europe (that vast Empire of Russia, I hope, included), on their triumphal march towards no tariff at all, shall take a firm stand on the first great step towards it— viz., an equal world-tariff! As I look round to discover an intermediary fit and willing to bring about, under ANNUAL DINNER. 33 God’s blessing, such happy results, it presents itself before my mind’s eye in that association which repre¬ sents and collects the most refined intellect and the most progressive views in this island, and which has called us across the Channel to share its hospitality. (Cheers.) Mr. McCulloch, who was received with cheers, responded as follows :— My Lord, my Lords and Gentlemen,—Until I came to England last autumn, I had lived in a Repub¬ lican country, under Republican institutions,—for a considerable period on a frontier, where every man was a law unto himself; where law-makers and law- executors—the necessary agents or adjuncts of what is called a “ higher civilisation ”—were practically, if not altogether unknown. For the last seven months I have been living in London, and I had about come to the conclusion that I had sacrificed very little of personal freedom in coming to a country under a monarchical form of government—that I was about as free here as I had^been at home. Indeed, I had availed myself of every proper opportunity to say to my friends on the other side of the Atlantic that England was, in fact, a free country (cheers and laughter); that it seemed to me that the English c 34 COB DEN CLUB. people were in the enjoyment of as much liberty as my own countrymen. Being in this happy frame of mind in regard to the mother country, you may judge of my surprise and dismay when I received, yesterday morning, the following note:— Langham , June 21st. Dear Mr. M £ Culloch, You will have to respond as an American for the foreigners on the 24th. . . Yours, truly, T. B. Potter. (Great laughter.) Could anything be more laconic or mandatory ? Not “ Will you be so good as to respond?” or “You will oblige us by responding;” but “You will have to respond”—not only as an American for Americans, but as an American for foreigners—as if an American in England were a foreigner ! (Laughter.) Here, in what I had fondly supposed was a free country, I am called upon, in the most arbitrary manner, to do not only what under any circumstances I might be unwilling to do, but what, in the present circumstances, I am quite unpre¬ pared to do. (Cries of “ No, no.”) Bear in mind, also, that this note was not written by the Queen, nor by ANNUAL DINNER. 35 a prince, nor a lord, but by a member of the House of Commons—the popular branch of the English Government-—by the secretary of a club organised in commemoration of a great popular leader. “ If such things can be done in the green tree, what may not be done in the dry ? ” (Laughter.) If such liberties can be taken, or, rather, if a man can thus be deprived of his liberty by a Liberal, what, in the name of human rights, may not be apprehended from a Conservative ? (Great laughter.) I am in difficulty—I am in a strait. It may be dangerous for me to disobey absolutely the mandate of one who speaks as if clothed with authority, backed, as to my surprise he is, by the distinguished Lord Acton; and yet I am clear that I ought not to inflict a poor speech upon so agreeable and intelligent an audience. There is one thing, however, I can do, or rather there is one thing I can stop doing—I can stop calling this a free country, and that I am resolved upon. No one shall ever hear me say one word more in praise of English liberty. With this note in my pocket, and I shall carefully preserve it, I shall bear with me the most conclusive evidence that personal liberty in England is a myth and a delusion. (Great laughter.) 36 COB DEN CLUB. My Lord, your great poet—but why should I call him your great poet ? a great poet is the world’s property— our great poet, the world's great poet, has said that “the evil which men do lives after them, while the good is oft interred with their bones.” If the immortal dramatist meant by this remark, which he puts into the mouth of Mark Antony, that the evil which men do is more lasting than the good, he was undoubtedly mistaken. If he were not, the world would be retrograding in goodness, which I apprehend is not the fact. Bad as the world may be, full of suffering as it unques¬ tionably is, it is nevertheless improving. The world to-day is better than it ever was before. There is, at the present time, more of kindness and fraternity— more of active humanity — more of what may be denominated Christian civilisation, than there has been at any previous period of the world’s history. (Hear, hear.) The good which men do lives after them— like good seed sown upon good ground, it fails not, in due time, to bring forth its legitimate fruit. Of few men can it be said more truthfully, that the good which they have done lives after them, than of Richard Cobden. (Cheers.) His acute intellect, his sound judgment and accurate observation, enabled him to discover what was true in the science of ANNUAL DINNER. 37 political economy, of which he was both student and teacher; and having discovered it, there was no power on earth that could prevent him from advocating it. A lover of peace, he was the earnest, unflinching, and, in his own country, the triumphant advocate of the system of free trade, or free exchanges between nations, which tends to bind them together by the strong ties of mutual interests. (Cheers.) A sincere lover of his kind, irrespective of nationalities or con¬ ditions, he was ever the champion of human rights, in the most comprehensive meaning of the term. (Cheers.) Loving England more than any other country, and the English people more than any other people, as it was proper for him to do, his sympathies for his fellow-men were too broad and too generous to be limited by national boundaries. (Cheers.) He was, in fact, a citizen of the world, and the world claims a heritage in his fame, and in the results of his labours. I am sure I do but express the sen¬ timents of all the foreigners present, when I say that they heartily endorse the eloquent eulogium which the noble Chairman has pronounced upon his character. (Cheers.) The good which he did lives after him; the first-fruits of his labours are now being enjoyed, and I am greatly mistaken in my 38 COB DEN CLUB. expectations if a richer harvest is not yet to be realised by the nations. (Hear, hear, and cheers.) In regard to the recent treaty which has been made between Great Britain and the United States, it may be proper for me to say, that although I have believed that there was less danger than many had apprehended of war between the two nations; although I have had faith that there was a feeling of friendship at the bottom, which, in spite of our jealousies and controversies, would prevent actual hostilities, I have nevertheless regarded it as very important for the welfare of both nations, that all irritating and uncom¬ fortable questions which were preventing good fellow¬ ship between them should be settled. While there may be— and it would be strange if there were not— some honest differences of opinion on both sides, in regard to the merits of this treaty, I am satisfied that among right-feeling men there is a sentiment of sin¬ cere gratification that all causes of difference between nations so closely related to each other are removed; and I have no doubt that I am expressing the opinion of an overwhelming majority of my own people ag well as of the people of Great Britain, when I say that the treaty is entirely honourable to both nations, and in the highest degree creditable to the very distinguished ANNUAL DINNER. 39 gentlemen whose names are connected with it. (Great cheering.) In conclusion, permit me, therefore, to propose the health of the Marquis of Ripon, with the single remark that no honour which her Majesty has conferred or may confer upon him can equal the reputation so fairly won, by the obligation under which he has laid the people of both nations, by his agency in binding them together in amity which can hardly fail to be perpetual. (Great cheering.) The Marquis of RlPON, who was very warmly re¬ ceived, in responding said : On behalf of myself and my colleagues on the late High Commission, I beg to return you my sincere thanks for the manner in which you have been pleased to receive this toast. I can truly say that we shall ever esteem it a high honour if it has been in our power to conduce, by our labours on the other side of the Atlantic, to the estab¬ lishment upon a firm and lasting basis of friendly relations between this country and the United States. I do not doubt that Mr. McCulloch is right when he says that there may have been in reality but little danger that so great and monstrous an evil as war between two countries so nearly related could actually have arisen ; but there are evils, short indeed of the last extremity of war, which are yet of very great COB DEN CLUB. magnitude (hear, hear); and it was an evil for England and for America that there should have been, and that there should continue to exist between them, feelings and relations the reverse of friendly and intimate; that the disputes and differences, springing perhaps almost unavoidably from the difficult circumstances of the Civil War in America, should have continued for one day or for one hour after it was possible to bring them to a peaceful solution. Though I am the colleague of your noble chairman, you will pardon me for saying that to him above all men belongs the great honour—the great and signal credit of having taken the propitious moment (cheers), of having launched his bark, however feebly manned by those whom he chose to put on board, upon the crest of the wave. (No, no.) Taking advantage of the state of feeling in both countries, we were sent out to America, and we were there met, as we soon found, by a warm and earnest desire among men of all political parties for a peaceful solution of existing difficulties. I do not say that the task was simple; I should misrepresent the facts if I were to lead you to believe that there were not difficulties, that there were not complications, that there were not moments of great and pressing anxiety during the course of the ANNUAL DINNER. 41 prolonged negotiations ; but I believe there was on both sides an equal desire that the settlement at which we attempted to arrive should be honourable to both countries, just to both alike, and it is difficult to suppose, where those sentiments prevail between two great and honourable nations, the difficulties of any negotiations should be insuperable. It scarcely be¬ longs to me to say it, but still it seems to me that the Treaty to which we had the honour to append our names is one which, as Mr. McCulloch described it, is fair and just to both parties. (Hear, hear.) It is not a triumph for either side, still less is it a humiliation. It is an equal contract between two friendly people. (Cheers.) But if that be true of its character for the past, it has a character and value of far greater im¬ portance in its relations to the future. (Hear, hear.) In those new expositions, if new they be, of inter¬ national law that the Treaty contains, and which are new at least in their solemn consecration by a diplo¬ matic instrument, there lies embodied the sure foun¬ dation of a system which, though I believe it to be equally advantageous to the United States and to this country, is undoubtedly most advantageous to that country which runs the greatest risk of being most frequently belligerent, and which therefore, if 42 COBDEN CLUB. we are to judge of the future by the past, are likely to be more advantageous to us than they are to the other party. But it is not upon the ground of interest alone that I would, before this assembly, rest the claims of that instrument. It seems to me that far above all other considerations which lead me to believe we were fully justified in appending our names to that Treaty on behalf of England was this, that it contains an embodiment of a principle of the highest value to the world at large. Doubtless we have heard on other occasions of arbitrations about small and almost unknown islands, and other insignificant mat¬ ters ; but, if I mistake not, this is the first occasion upon which two great and proud nations, equally tenacious of their honour and their interests, have been found to agree upon questions so closely touch¬ ing those interests and that honour, to lay them all, one by one, before impartial and freely chosen arbi¬ trators. (Cheers.) It seems to me that there is in that Treaty the embodiment of a great principle, the adoption of which would have been hailed with the utmost satisfaction by the illustrious man whose name this Club bears. (Cheers.) There are few things that would have given higher satisfaction to Mr. Cobden than to have found the two countries he so ANNUAL DINNER. 43 deeply loved, his own and that of the English race on the other side of the Atlantic, with their common history and their common interests, combining to establish, for the first time in the history of the world, that great principle for which he contended, that in international questions, as much as in private disputes, men are not the best judges of their own quarrels. It is, then, because this Treaty has embodied that principle that I, for one, shall ever esteem it to have been a great happiness and a great honour that I ' was permitted to place my name to that document. We must regard this Treaty as a Treaty between two nations. I have said truly what I think was the share of my noble friend your chairman respecting it; but neither in this country nor yet in America can this Treaty fairly be called the Treaty of any party. It was supported on the other side of the Atlantic by the press and by the politicians of both the great parties in the United States ; and we had the great advantage—and a signal advantage it was to us in our negotiations—of having by our side, as our trusted and most valued colleague, an eminent member of the great Conservative party in England. (Cheers.) I trust that this Treaty will never be regarded in a narrow or party view. I trust it will be ever looked 44 COB DEN' CLUB. upon as the first step in the restoration of those close and intimate relations which ought to exist between this country and the United States—between that which Mr. McCulloch has called the mother country, and that which I may therefore venture, without pre¬ sumption, to designate her illustrious and mighty daughter on the other side of the Atlantic. (Loud cheers.) Mr. Thomas Bayley Potter proposed the chairman’s health. He thanked the company for the warm reception accorded to him on this and other occasions, and assured them that, with regard to the Cobden Club, his whole heart was in the matter. That a society professing the principles of Richard Cobden should make way, and gain adherents year by year, was not to be wondered at, but the pro¬ gress of the Club was of the most marked character. Cobden was not merely a kind and affectionate friend, whose example they might all do well to try to follow even at a humble distance ; but he was the promoter of a cause that appealed to the in¬ terests of the whole human kind. His was the cause of honourable and constitutional progress, and it claimed peace and commercial enterprise as its grand basis. At the last anniversary they had a ANNUAL DINNER. 45 magnificent speech from the Premier, who, above all others, had carried into effect the views of Richard Cobden; and the right hon. gentleman, it would be remembered, spoke in grief of the impending war, at the same time expressing the hope that the clouds would pass away. The clouds did not pass away, but gathered gloomily, and burst with a fury the like of which the civilised world had never seen. But might we not say now that the air was once more clearing ? that the conduct of the noble lord who had had the direction of our foreign affairs had been such during the last ten months, that the result deserved to be characterised as a triumph of Cobden’s principles ? (Cheers.) This was an occasion when they had a right to rejoice at the negotiations just concluded between England and America, because it was the dearest wish of Richard Cobden that the two families of the English race so nearly allied by blood should be alto¬ gether allied by friendship in all their relations. Might not this Treaty which had been carried out by the Marquis of Ripon—whose title was well earned indeed—and his colleagues be also claimed as the fruit of the seed Cobden sowed ? (Cheers.) To Lord Granville’s judicious management of foreign affairs we owed the preservation of peace not only in Europe, 46 COB DEN CLUB. but with America. He proposed, therefore, all the honours which English Liberals could pay in drinking the health of so honourable and consistent a Liberal and so wise a statesman as Lord Granville. (Loud cheers.) Earl Granville, in reply, said: My lords and gentlemen—If it be ever my unfortunate fate to live under a despotism, I should like Mr. Potter to be the despot, and I should like that despotism to be tempered by the opposition of Mr. McCulloch. (Laughter and cheers.) One thing has struck me very much this evening, and it has reminded me of something which Lord Cowley told me about Mr. Cobden. He talked to me of not having known Mr. Cobden before the time of the negotiation of the Erench treaty, and of the wonderful effect his simple-mindedness, his honesty, and his earnestness produced upon him, and of the friendship which he felt entitled to claim afterwards. He spoke to me of the wonderful reverence with which Mr. Cobden was heard—how his word was taken as truth, and how he believed that no other man could have obtained that which Mr. Cobden did; but he added one other remark, that it was quite extraordinary how Mr. Cobden, not being a master of the French ANNUAL DINNER. 47 language, conveyed his thoughts in a foreign lan¬ guage to those who were listening to him. We have had the opportunity of enjoying this evening a similar pleasure in listening to the interesting speeches of our friends, M. Arles-Dufour and Herr Bunsen. (Cheers.) I do not include in the compli¬ ment the admirable speech of Mr. McCulloch, because, thank God, there is no question of a foreign language between him and me. I began this evening with an apology, and I am afraid I must end with an apology. Mr. Potter, with that blind confidence in anybody whom he believes to be a sincere friend of Mr. Cobden, laid his orders upon me, quite as peremp¬ torily as he did upon Mr. McCulloch, to order the bill of fare for to-day. I declined the responsibility, but I ventured to suggest that the number of dishes might be diminished. I am happy to say that my wishes were so far carried out, that we had only ten dishes of fish before we began our regular dinner. (Cheers and laughter.) George Canning, the great statesman and orator, had a friend who was very ill, and applied to his physician. The physician asked him what were his symptoms. He said his principal symptom was that he felt very empty before dinner and very full afterwards. (Laughter.) Now, if the 48 COB DEN CLUB. converse has happened, and any here has felt very full before dinner and very empty now, I beg that I may be allowed to bear the whole blame, and that it may not be laid upon our excellent host, who has catered so well for our comfort. (Cheers.) I beg now most sincerely and most seriously to thank you for your kindness and for your forbearance to me this evening. (Loud cheers.) The party then broke up, and returned to West¬ minster by the special steamer. Cobden Club. LIST OF MEMBERS. CORRECTED TO JULY, 1871. The Club now consists of 450 ordinary members, as well as 103 honorary members, most of whom are foreigners of distinction. The list comprises 194 members of the Legislature. Names in Italics are those of Honorary Members. * Present at the Annual Dinner. A. 1871 *Acton, Lord. 1870 *Adam, W. P., M.P. 1868 Adams , C. F., U.S. America. 1869 Adams , J. Quincy , U.S. America. 1869 Agnew, J. Henry. 1869 Agnew, William. 1867 Airlie, Earl of, K.T. 1870 Akroyd, Lieut.-Col. Edward, M.P. 1866 Allen, W. Shepherd, M.P. 1871 *Allhusen, Christian. 1866 Amberley, Viscount. D So COB DEN CLUB. 1867 Andrew, Charles. 1871 Annesley, Hon. Algernon Sydney. 1870 *Anning, James. 1867 Anstey, T. Chisholm. 1869 Anstruther, Sir Robert, Bart., M.P. 1866 Argyll, Duke of, K.T. 1867 *A rles-Dufour, M., France. 1866 *Armitage, Benjamin. 1868 Armitage, Sir Elkanah. 1867 *Armitstead, George, M.P. 1871 * Armstrong, David B. 1868 Ashton, Philip James. 1868 Ashton, Robert. 1866 Ashton, Thomas. 1867 *Ashurst, Wm. Henry. 1866 Ashworth, G. L. 1869 Atkinson , Edward , 17 .S. America. 1868 Avison, Thomas. 1870 Ayrton, Right Hon. A. S., M.P. B. 1869 Backhouse, Edmund, M.P. 1871 Baines, Talbot. 1870 Bancroft , George , U.S. America. 1867 Barry, Right Hon. Charles R., Q.C. LIST OF MEMBERS. 5i 1866 Bass, M. Arthur, M.P. 1866 Bass, M. T., M.P. 1867 Bastard, Thomas Horlock. 1869 *Batchelor, T. B. 1866 ^Baxter, Richard. 1866 *Baxter, W. E., M.P. 1866 *Bazley, Sir Thomas, Bart., M.P. 1867 *Beal, James. 1866 *Beales, Edmond. 1867 Beaumont, Henry F., M.P. 1869 Beaumont, Somerset A., M.P. 1868 Beaumont, W. B., M.P. 1869 Beecher, Rev. Henry Ward, U.S. America. 1871 Behr, Baron, Germany. 1871 Behrens, Jacob. 1870 Benson, Robert. 1869 Bentall, E. H., M.P. 1870 *Benzon, E. L. 1870 Besobrasoff, M. W., Russia. 1866 Bigelow, John, U.S. America. 1870 Blewitt, Willikm. 1869 Bolckow, H. W. F., M.P. i 86 y Bowen, Charles. 1868 Brady, Dr. John, M.P. 1869 *Brand, Henry R., M.P. 52 COB DEN CLUB. 1867 Brand, Right Hon. H. B. W., M.P. 1871 Brandis, Dr., Germany. 1869 Brassey, Henry A., M.P. 1866 Brassey, Thomas, M.P. 1871 Braun, Dr. Carl, Germany. 1866 ^Bright, Jacob, M.P. 1866 Bright, Right Hon. John, M.P. 1867 Bright, Sir Charles T. 1871 Bristowe, S. B., M.P. 1867 ^Broadwater, Robert. 1870 *Brocklehurst, W. C., M.P. 1866 *Brodrick, Hon. G. C. 1869 Brogden, Alexander, M.P. 1869 *Brown, Alexander Hargreaves, M.P. 1871 Brown, George. 1871 Browne, Henry Doughty. 1870 Browning, Oscar. 1866 Bruce, Right Hon. H. Austin, M.P. 1871 *Bryant, Jesse. 1869 Bryant, W. C., U.S. America. 1871 *Buckley, Abel. 1866 *Buckley, Nathaniel, M.P. 1870 *Bullock, William Henry. 1870 * Bunsen, George, Germany. 1870 Burchardt, Otto. LIST OF MEMBERS. 53 c. 1866 *Caird, James, C.B. 1867 *Caldicott, Rev. J. W. 1870 Campbell, Henry, M.P. 1871 Camperdown, Earl. 1866 Candlish, John, M.P. 1871 *Carr, David Richardson. 1870 *Carr, Jonathan T. 1870 Carter, R. M., M.P. 1868 Carter, Samuel. 1869 *Cartwright, W. C., M.P. 1870 Castelar, Signor Emilio, Spain. 1866 Cavendish, Lord Frederick, M.P. 1869 Chadwick, David, M.P. 1871 Challemel-Lacour, M. Paul, France. 1871 Charlemont, Earl. 1871 Charles, Robert. 1866 Cheetham, John. 1866 Cheetham, J. F. 1866 Chevalier, M. Michel, France. 1866 Childers, Right Hon. Hugh C. E., M.P. 1871 Clarendon, Earl. 1870 Clayden, P. W. 1870 Coats, Sir Peter. 1870 Cobb, Rhodes. 54 COB DEN CLUB. 1871 Cobb, T. R. 1866 Coleridge, Sir J. D., Q.C., M,P. 1866 Collier, Sir R. R, Q.C., M.P. 1867 *Colman, J. J., M.P. 1871 Colman, Jeremiah. 1867 Colvile, Charles Robert. 1869 Coote. Thomas. 1871 *Corrie, William. 1870 Corsi, Siguor Tommaso , Italy. 1869 *Couvreur , M. Auguste, Belgium. 1866 Cowen, Joseph, M.P. 1869 *Cracroft, Bernard. 1867 *Crompton, Charles. 1867 Crooke, John. 1866 Crossley, Sir Francis, Bart., M.P. D. 1871 Dale, David. 1870 Dalhousie, Earl, G.C.B., K.T. 1871 Dalling and Bulwer, Lord, G.C.B. 1871 Dalrymple, Donald, M.P. 1869 *Dashwood, Captain Fred. L. 1871 *Davies, Richard, M.P. 1870 *Day, Edward. 1870 Deheselle, M. Victor , Belgium. LIST OF MEMBERS. ss 1870 *Delahunty, James, M.P. 1869 Delitsch, M. Schultze, Germany. 1870 De Molinari, M. G., France. 1871 Devonshire, Duke of, K.G. 1870 Dickson, James, Sweden. 1867 *Dilke, Sir C. W., Bart., M.P. 1868 Dixon, George, M.P. 1869 Dodds, Joseph, M.P. 1866 Dodson, J. G., M.P. 1867 Do If us, M. Jean, France. 1870 Dowse, Richard, M.P. 1870 Draper, John. 1870 Ducie, Earl. 1866 Duff, M. E. Grant, M.P. 1870 Dufferin, Lord. 1869 Durckheim, Count, Austro-Hungarian Empire. 1870 Dymes, D. D. E. 1867 *Eastwick, Captain W. J. 1868 Edwards, Charles. 1868 * Edwards, Henry, M.P. 1869 Emerson, R. W., U.S. America. 1866 Evans, Francis Henry. 1866 *Evans, William. 56 COB DEN CLUB. 1866 Ewing, H. E. Crum, M.P. 1868 *Eykyn, Roger, M.P. F. 1869 *Faucher, Dr. Julius, Germany. 1867 Fenton, William. 1870 Fenwick, E. M. 1868 * Field, Cyrus, U.S. America. 1869 Field, David D., U.S. America. 1869 Figuerola, Signor , Spain. 1866 Fildes, John. 1869 Finnie, William, M.P. 1867 *Fisher, Richard C. 1870 Fletcher, Isaac, M.P. 1868 Flower, E. F. 1867 Forbade de la Roquette, M., France. 1870 Fordyce, W. Dingwall, M.P. 1866 Forster, Charles, M.P. 1866 Forster, Right Hon. W. E., M.P. 1866 Fortescue, Right Hon. C. S., M.P. 1871 Foster, J. P. 1869 Fothergill, Richard, M.P. 1866 *Fowler, Robert. 1869 Fowler, William, M.P. 1869 Freeman, Henry W. LIST OF MEMBERS . 57 G. 1869 Garfield , General J. A., U.S. America. 1868 Garibaldi , General , Italy. 1869 Garrison, W. Lloyd, U.S. America. 1870 *Gaskell, Charles Milnes. 1869 Gibbs, Frederick W., C.B. 1870 *Gillibrand, Philip. 1866 *Gilpin, Charles, M.P. 1866 Gladstone, Right Hon. W. E., M.P. 1866 Gladstone, Robertson. 1870 Glyn, Hon. G. Grenfell, M.P. 1866 Goldsmid, Julian, M.P. 1866 Goldsmid, Sir Francis H., Bart., M.P. 1866 Goschen, Right Hon. G. J., M.P. 1869 *Gourley, E. T., M.P. 1868 *Gow, Daniel. 1867 Graham, John. 1867 *Graham, Peter. 1866 Graham, William, M.P. 1866 *Granville, Earl, K.G. 1867 Gray, Sir John, M.P. 1870 Greg, Louis. 1870 Greig, Lieut.-General, S. Russia. 1869 Greville, Lord. 1871 Greville Nugent, Hon. G. F. N., M.P. 1870 Guest, Montague J., M.P. 1871 Gurney, Samuel. H. 1866 Hadfield, George, M.P. 1871 *Hall, Walter. 1867 Hammond, J. Lempri£re. 1871 Hanmer, Sir John, Bart., M.P. 1869 Harcourt, W. Vernon, Q.C., M.P. 1866 Hardcastle, Henry. 1866 Hardcastle, J. A., M.P. 1870 Hargreaves, William. 1867 Harris, John Dove, M.P. 1870 Harris, William Redford. 1871 *Harriss-Gastrell, James P. 1870 Hartington, Right Hon. Marquis of, M.P. 1869 Harwood, Samuel. 1871 Hassan, His Highness Prince, Egypt. 1870 *Hatch, Rev. Edwin. 1867 *Hatchard, Rev. J. Alton. 1870 Hatherley, Lord. 1869 *Haviland-Burke, E., M.P. 1871 *Hayter, William Goodenough. 1867 Heape, Benjamin. 1867 *Heape, Robert Taylor. LIST OF MEMBERS. 59 1866 Henderson, J., M.P. 1871 *Henry Mitchell, M.P. 1871 Herbert, Hon. Auberon, M.P. 1866 *Heywood, James. 1866 *Hibbert, J. T., M.P. 1871 *Hill, Frank Harrison. 1866 Hoare, Sir Henry, Bart., M.P. 1870 Hobart, Lord. 1866 Hodgkinson, G., M.P. 1871 Hodgson, Kirkman D., M.P. 1870 Holden, Angus. 1866 Holden, Isaac. 1870 ^Holland, Samuel, M.P. 1869 * Holms, John, M.P. 1870 *Hopwood, Charles Henry. 1869 Hoskyns, Chandos Wren, M.P. 1866 Houghton, Lord. 1869 Hovell-Thurlow, Hon. T. J. 1869 Howard, James, M.P. 1870 Hoyle, William. 1869 Hudson, Sir James, G.C.B. 1867 Humphreys, A. C. 1870 Hunting, Richard. I. 1869 Illingworth, Alfred, M.P. 6o COB DEN CLUB. J. 1866 Jackson, Henry Mather. 1866 Jackson, Sir William, Bart. 1870 James, Henry, Q.C., M.P. 18 68 Jenkins, Edward. 1871 Jenour, Charles , Victoria. 1870 Jerrold, Blanchard. 1869 Jessel, George, Q.C., M.P. 1870 *Johns, Captain J. W. 1871 Johnson , Reverdy , £/..S. America. 1869 *Johnston, Andrew, M.P. 1871 ^Johnstone, Sir Harcourt, Bart., M.P. 1871 *Jones, C. H. K. 1868 Kay-Shuttleworth, U. J., M.P. 1870 Kimberley, Earl. 1870 King, Charles Allen. 1866 King, Hon. P. J. Locke, M.P. 1869 Kinsky, Coimt Engine, Austro - Hungarian Empire. 1866 Knatchbull-Hugessen, E. H., M.P. 1869 Kubeck, Baron Max Von % Austro-Hungarian Empire. LIST OF MEMBERS. 61 L. 1868 Labouchere, Henry. 1869 Lacaita, Sir James. 1869 *Lack, Henry Reader. 1867 *Lambert, John, C.B. 1870 Lamport, Charles. 1867 Lancaster, John, M.P. 1871 *Langley, J. Baxter. 1871 Lansdowne, Marquis of. 1868 *Lanyon, C. Mortimer. 1871 Lascelles, Francis H. 1871 Latham, George W. 1869 Laveleye, M. Emile de, Belgium. 1869 Lavergne, M. de, France. 1867 *Lawson, Right Hon. J. A. 1866 *Lawson, Sir Wilfrid, Bart., M.P. 1871 Lea, Thomas, M.P. 1871 *Leaf, William. 1869 *Leake, Robert. 1867 *Lean, Vincent Stuckey. 1866 *Leatham, E. A., M.P. 1869 Leavitt, Joshua, D.D., U.S. America. 1871 Leech, Robert. 1866 *Leeman, George, M.P. 1869 Leese, J. F. 62 COB DEN CLUB. 1866 Lefevre, Geo. Shaw, M.P. 1870 Lehardy de Beaulieu, Adolphe, Belgium .. 1870 Lehardy de Beaulieu, Professor Ch., Belgium, 1870 *Lehmann, F. 1867 Leslie, T. E. Clifife. 1870 Lesseps, Vicomte de, Fra7ice. 1869 Levy, Edward. 1870 Lewis, J. Delaware, M.P. 1871 Lewis, Harvey, M.P. 1870 Lieber, Francis, U.S. America. 1869 Liebert, Bernhard. 1869 Loch, George, M.P. 1870 Longfellow, H. IV., U.S. America. 1870 Lubbock, Sir John, Bart., M.P. 1870 *Lycett, Sir Francis. M. 1869 McArthur, Alexander. 1869 McArthur, William, M.P. 1870 ^McCarthy, Justin. 1870 McClean, J. Robinson, M.P. 1866 ^McClelland, James. 1869 *McClure, Thomas, M.P. 1871 McConnell, J. E. 1871 * McCulloch, Hugh, U.S. America. LIST OF MEMBERS. 63 1871 *Macdonell, James. 1869 *Macfie, Robert Andrew, M.P. 1870 Macintosh, Alexander. 1869 *Mackay, Baron , Holland. 1868 Mackie, Ivie. 1871 *McLeod, Sir Donald, K.C.S.I., C.B. 1869 Macmillan, Alexander. 1870 *Maeren, M. Corr-Vander, Belgium. 1871 Mahony, W. Sturt. 1866 *Mallet, Sir Louis, C.B. 1870 Marcoartu, Signor Arturo de. 1870 Marling, Samuel S,, M.P. 1867 Marriott, Wm. Thackeray. 1867 *Marsden, Mark Eagles. 1871 * Marshall, C. H, U.S. America. 1866 Mason, Hugh. 1870 *Mather, William. 1871 *Mellor, Wright. 1867 Melly, George, M.P. 1866 Menzies, Graham. 1870 Meredith, George F. 1867 Merry, James, M.P. 1871 * Michaelis, Otto, Germany . 1870 *Michell, T., Russia. 1866 Mill, John Stuart. 6 4 COB DEN CLUB. 1866 Milner-Gibson, Right Hon. T. 1867 Milton, Viscount, M.P. 1870 Minghetti, Signor Marco, Italy. 1871 Minturn, Robert B., U.S. A merica. 1866 Moffatt, George. 1866 Monk, C. J., M.P. 1868 Moore, George. 1871 Moorhead, W. C. 1871 More, R. Jasper. 1868 Moran, Benjamin, U.S. America. 1870 Morao , /?. i 7 . dfe Figanilre, Portugal. 1870 ^Morgan, G. Osborne, Q.C., M.P. 1866 Morier, R. B. D., C.B. 1866 *Morley, Samuel, M.P. 1871 Muller , Gustav , Germany. 1869 *Mundella, A. J., M.P. 1871 Mur tin, Peter, Sweden. 1867 Murphy, Nicholas D., M.P. 1869 Muspratt, E. K. N. 1869 Napoleon, H.I.H. Prince Jerome, France. 1871 Nasse, Erwin, Germany. 1871 *Neal, John Dodd. 1868 Neill, Robert. LIST OF MEMBERS. 65 1874 Neumann , Dr. Francis, Austro-Hungarian Empire. 1870 Northbrook, Lord. 1868 Novelli, A. H. 0 . 1869 Ollivier, M. Emile, France. 1866 * 0 ’Loghlen, Rt. Hon. Sir Colman, Bart, M.P. 1866 Onslow, Guildford, M.P. 1869 O’Reilly-Dease, Mathew, M.P. 1868 *Osborn, Captain S, R.N., C.B. 1869 Osborn, Wm. H., U.S. America. 1866 Otway, Arthur J., M.P. 1870 Overbeck, M. Gustav us von, Austro-Hungarian Empire. 1871 Ouvry, Colonel Henry Aime, C.B. 1871 Oppenheimer, Charles. P. 1867 *Pagan, John Thomson. 1870 Paris, H.R.H. Comte de, France. 1870 *Paterson, John. 1866 Paulton, A. W. 1867 *Payne, F. T. 1867 Pease, Joseph W., M.P. E 66 COB DEN CLUB. 1869 Peel, Arthur W., M.P. 1871 Peel, John, M.P. 1871 Pell , Alfred , Jun., U.S. America. 1871 Pender, John. 1866 Pennington, F. 1866 Peto, Sir S. Morton, Bart. 1868 ^Phillips, Charles. 1866 * Phillips, R. N„ M.P. 1871 Pierson , N. G., Holland. 1866 Pilkington, James. 1866 *Platt, John, M.P. 1869 Plimsoll, Samuel, M.P. 1869 Pochin, Henry Davis. 1870 *Pocock, William. 1866 Pope, Samuel. 1871 Potter, Arthur Bayley. 1866 Potter, Edmund, M.P. 1868 Potter, Edmund Crompton. 1866 Potter, J. Gerald. 1870 Potter, John Henry. 1871 * Potter, Rupert. 1866 * Potter, Thomas Bayley, M.P. 1866 *Potter, Thomas Ashton. 1869 Price, William Edwin, M.P. 1866 Price, W. P., M.P. LIST OF MEMBERS. 67 1866 Probyn, J. W. 1871 Pulley, Joseph. 1871 *Purdy, William. R. 1870 Rae, W. Fraser. 1870 Ranees y Villanueva, His Excellency Don Manuel, Spam. 1871 Ransorne, R.C. 1867 Rathbone, Samuel Greg. 1867 Rathbone, William, M.P. 1866 Rawson, Henry. 1869 Redpath, James, U.S. America. 1871 ‘Renton, James Hall. 1867 ‘Reynolds, James. 1870 Reyntiens, M., Belgium. 1866 Rich, Anthony. 1869 Richard, Henry, M.P. 1869 Richards, E. M., M.P. 1869 Richter, 0 ., Norway. 1871 *Ridgway, W. H. 1867 *Ripon, Marquis of, K.G. 1870 ‘Robarts, C. H. 1868 Robertson, David, M.P. 1867 Robinson, John. 68 COB DEN CLUB. 1869 *Roden, W. S., M.P. 1866 *Rogers, Professor J. E. T. 1870 Rollo, Lord. 1871 *Rose, Hon. Sir John. 1871 Rosebery, Earl. 1871 Rothschild, Baron Lionel N. de, M.P. 1871 Rothschild, Nathaniel M. de, M.P. 1867 Rouher, M., France. 1867 *Roundell, Charles Savile. 1870 Ruggles, Samuel B., U.S. America. 1871 *Rusden, R. D. 1866 Russell , Earl, K.G. 1871 *Russell, Odo. 1866 Rutson, Albert. 1869 *Rylands, Peter, M.P. 1867 Ryley, Thomas C. S. 1870 St. Albans, Duke of. 1869 Salomons, Sir David, Bart., M.P. 1866 Salwey, Colonel Henry. 1868 Samuda, J. D’Aguilar, M.P. 1870 Samuelson, Henry B., M.P. 1870 * Sands, Mahlon, U.S America. 1866 Sandwith, Humphrey, C.B. LIST 01 MEMBERS. 69 1869 Sapieha, Prince, A tistro-Hungarian Empire. 1871 Sargeannt, J. P. 1870 *Sargeannt, William C. 1870 *Saxton, N. 1869 Schaeffer, Chevalier de, Austro-Hungarian Empire. 1870 Schuster, Francis J. 1866 Scrivens, William. 1869 Seely, Charles, Jun., M.P. 1870 Seisal, Vicomte de, Portugal. 1868 *Seligman, Isaac. 1870 Sellar, A. C. 1870 Seymour, Alfred, M.P. 1871 *Seymour, Henry. 1867 *Shaen, William. 1869 *Sharpe, Charles. 1868 Sheriff, Alexander Clunes, M.P. 1867 Sidgwick, Rev. W. C. 1869 *Simon, Sergeant, Q.C., M.P. 1870 Simon, M. Jules, France. 1869 Smith, Herr Prince, Germany. 1866 Smith, B. L. 1871 *Smith, George. 1866 Smith , Professor Goldwin. 1867 *'Smith, Professor Henry J. Stephen. 7 o COB DEN CLUB. 1866 Smith, Thomas Eustace, M.P. 1870 Spencer, His Excellency Earl, K.G. 1866 Stansfeld, Right Hon. J., M.P. 1871 Staitffenberg, Baron von , Germany. 1871 Steinthal, H. M. 1868 Steinthal, Rev. Samuel Alfred. 1868 *Stepney, W. F. Cowell. 1868 Stern, Sigismund J. 1869 Stevenson, J. C., M.P. 1871 *Stone, William Henry, M.P. 1870 Strahan, Alexander. 1871 Strutt, Hon. Henry, M.P. 1867 Sullivan, Right Hon. E. 1868 Sumner , Charles , U.S. America. 1866 *Sykes, Colonel, M.P. 1869 Szechenyi, Count Bela , Austro-Hungarian Em¬ pire. T. 1870 Talabot, M. Paulin, France. 1866 *Taylor, Francis. 1866 *Taylor, P. A., M.P. 1871 *Taylor, Thomas. 1871 Thoerner, Theodore de, Russia. 1870 *Thomas, Christopl ler J. 1866 Thomasson, Thomas. LIST OF MEMBERS. 7 i 1867 Thompson, George. 1866 Thompson, H. Yates. 1869 Tite, Sir William, K.C.B., M.P. 1870 Tourgiceneff, M. Nicolas, France. 1866 Trelawny, Sir J. S., Bart., M.P. 1866 Trevelyan, G. O., M.P. 1867 Trimble, Robert. 1868 *Turner, J. Fox. 1868 *Turner, Wright. 1868 *Tweedale, John. V. 1870 *Valpy, Richard. 1871 Vasconcellos, His Excellency Zacharias de Goes , Brazil. 1870 Wickers, James. 1871 Vigor, A. H. S., Stonehouse. 1866 Villiers, Right Hon. C.P., M.P. 1871 Visschers, M. Auguste, Belgium. 1871 Vivian, Captain Hon. John, C. W., M.P. 1870 *Vivian, William. 1870 *Vivian, William, Jun. W. 1870 Walker, Amasa, U.S. America. 1869 Walker, George, U.S. America. 72 COB DEN CLUB. 1866 ^Walters, Edward. 1870 *Warren, Edward. 1871 *Warren, T. P. 1871 *Watkin, Sir E. W. 1867 Watts, Sir James. 1867 Watts, Samuel. 1870 *Watson, T. Clemens. 1870 Wells, David A., U.S. America. 1866 Westhead, J. P. Brown. 1869 Whipple , E. P., U.S. America. 1870 Whitbread, Samuel, M.P. 1866 * White, J., M.P. 1870 White, Wm. Thompson. 1867 *Whiteley, G. Crispe. 1869 Whitwell, John, M.P. 1866 Whitworth, Benjamin. 1867 * Whitworth, Sir Joseph, Bart. 1870 Whitworth, Robert. 1869 Whitworth, Thomas, M.P. 1870 Wilke, Hermann C., Germany. 1869 Willans, Thomas Benjamin. 1869 ^Williams, W. H. 1870 *Willcrding , Theodor, Sweden. 1867 Willett, Henry. 1866 *Williams, John. LIST OF MEMBERS. 73 1869 Williams, Watkin, M.P. 1869 Willmott, Henry. 1870 Wills, George. 1871 *Wingfield, Sir Charles J., K.C.S.I., C.B., M.P. 1869 Wolowski, M., France. 1870 Woods, Henry, M.P. 1868 Worthington, James. Y. 1870 Young, Right Hon. George, M.P. 1866 * Young, Richard. Guests present at the Dinner: Dr. Spinsio, Montague Bernard, MM. Gustave and Eugene d’Eichthal, Max Schlesinger, W. Hale White, Capt. Gosset, Deputy Sergeant-at-Arms, Adolphe Beau, Arthur Arnold, Wm. Bradford, General Woodhall, E. S. Nadal, Lieut.-Col. W. Holms, Sabbas Vukovics, T. H. Sooby, Jno. Hey worth, Charles Gilpin, Jun. CASSELL, PETTER, GALPIN, LONDON, E.C. AT THE DINNER OF THE COBDEN CLUB, July ii, 1874. The Right Hon. W. E. BAXTER, M.P, IN THE CHAIR. WITH THE l|spxirt cf lip Adopted at the General Meeting, June 4, 1874, AND LIST OF MEMBERS. CASSELL PETTER & GALPIN: LONDON, PARIS' & NEW YORK. DINNER OF THE COBDEN CLUB, July ii, 1874. The Right Hon. W. E. BAXTER, M.P., IN THE CHAIR. WITH THE Impart af % iamtmitaa Adopted at the General Meeting, June 4 , 1874 , AND LIST OF MEMBERS. CASSELL, PETTER & GALPIN: LONDON, PARIS & NEW YORK. 1874. N.B.—All communications for the Hon. Sec., Thomas Bayley Potter, M.P., should be addressed to him. at the Reform Club, Pall Mall, London. The Bankers of the Club are the London and Westminster Bank, Westminster Branch, i, St. James's Square, London, S. W., where Subscriptions should be paid on the 1st of January in each year. It is suggested, for the convenience of Members, that they should leave with the Secretary their usual Address, and also an order on their Bankers to pay their Subscription on the 1 st of January in each year to Ihe Bankers of the Club, to whom all cheques should be made payable. Blank forms may be had on application to the Secretary. GEORGE Ct WARR, Secretary. 5, Millman Street, Bedford Row, W.C. THE COBDEN CLUB. The ninth dinner of the Cobden Club was held on the nth of July, at the Ship Hotel, Greenwich. The company numbered a hundred and forty-five, and included numerous guests, from the United States and other foreign countries, whose names will be found below. The majority went to Greenwich by a special steamer from the House of Commons’ stairs, Westminster. The Right Hon. W. E. Baxter, M.P., took the chair at six p.m. Among those by whom he was supported were M. Leon Say, late Prefect of the Seine, and Reporter of the Financial Committee of the French Legislative Assembly for the present year, Baron G. von Overbeck, Consul-General for Austria, Dr. Julius ' Fauche!r, Mr. Cyrus W. Field, Mr. Mahlon Sands, Secretary of the Free Trade League, New York, the Right Hon. A. S. Ayrton, Sir Louis Mallet, C.B., Mr. H. Campbell-Bannerman, M.P., 6 COB DEN CLUB. Lord Arthur Russell, M.P., Sir Wilfrid Lawson, M.P., Sir Charles W. Dilke, M.P., Mr. W. C. Cartwright, M.P., Mr. E. A. Leatham, M.P., Sir G. Balfour, K.C.B., M.P., Mr. G. Osborne Morgan, Q.C., M.P., Serjeant Simon, M.P., Mr. John Holms, M.P., Mr. William Holms, M.P., Mr. E. Jenkins, M.P., Mr. James Caird, C.B., Prof. J. E. Thorold Rogers, Mr. W. H. Ashurst, Mr. Richard Baxter (Treasurer), Mr. Edmond Beales, Sir John Bennett, Mr. A. C. Humphreys, Mr. William Agnew, Mr. James Heywood, Mr. B. Leigh Smith, Herr J. Willerding (Consul-General for Sweden and Norway), Herr Leopold Giiterbock (Germany), Mr. Joseph S. Ropes, President of the Boston (U.S.) Board of Trade, Mr. Hamilton A. Hill, late Secretary of the National Board of Trade of the United States, Mr. M. Halstead, Editor of the Cincinnati “Commercial,” Dr. Isaac Hayes, and Mr. R. G. Haliburton (Canada). Mr. Thomas Bayley Potter, M.P., occupied the vice-chair. Mrs. Ashburner, Mrs. and Miss Baxter, Miss Cobden,Miss Pellew, Miss Potter, and Mrs. Wells, were present during the delivery of the speeches. The Chairman, who received a very cordial welcome on rising to propose the first toast, said I ask you to drink to the health of a Sovereign DINNER, 1874 . 7 Lady whose political knowledge and prudence are as great as her domestic and social virtues are con¬ spicuous. “ The Health of Her Majesty the Queen ” is a toast which is always received with enthusiasm in every assembly of true-born Britons throughout that Empire on which the »sun never sets. I am delighted to find that the birthday of our gracious Sovereign has been celebrated this year in many parts of the United States. Any one who has travelled in that great country is aware how immensely popular the Queen is in America. I beg to propose “The Health of Her Majesty the Queen.” (Loud cheers.) The toast was drunk with immense enthusiasm, the foreign guests distinguishing themselves by their hearty concurrence in the feelings of their English friends. The Chairman then rose to propose the toast of the evening—“ Prosperity to the Cobden Club.” He said :—Gentlemen, it was with feelings of great surprise that I received from the hon. secretary, Mr. Potter, the founder, manager, and upholder of this Club, an intimation that the Committee had done me the distinguished honour of asking me to take the chair on this occasion. The post has hitherto been occupied by statesmen of mark whom an assembly of 8 COB DEN CLUB . this kind would at all times be delighted to hear; and I am most acutely sensible of my utter inability to speak as powerfully as they did, or to do adequate justice to the toast which I am about to propose. Gentlemen, the Committee no doubt chose me because, although a very humble, I have ever been a very sincere admirer and disciple of the late Mr. Cobden, and a loyal adherent of those great principles of which, if not the first, he was certainly the most influential expounder. There were those who thought that he was a man of one idea, and Lord Palmerston, in the House of Commons, in an unhappy moment, said something to this effect. Never was there a greater mistake; and now that some of the many grand thoughts which from time to time he threw out for the consideration of his countrymen are receiving a little more development, men are beginning to see how far-sighted and comprehensive were his views. (Hear, hear.) His was a rich, prophetic mind, despising mere popularity-hunting and the political whims and caprices of the hour, thoroughly patriotic in the sense of desiring to preserve all those privileges and liberties which in this highly-favoured country we enjoy, but at the same time keenly alive to the dangers and difficulties of our social state, and fearful DINNER, 1874 . 9 lest an overweening attachment to modes of thought and action no longer in accord with modern ideas should prevent us from leading the van of advancing civilisation. (Cheers.) The apostle of Free Trade was a pioneer of progress, and his conversation, like his speeches and writings, was full'of references to a great future, when there would be fewer class and national jealousies, and the words of the angelic host would be more fully verified—“ On earth peace, goodwill towards men.” (Hear, hear.) It has sometimes occurred to me that speakers at gatherings of the Cobden Club have a little lost sight of the leading doctrines of that eminent politician’s creed. Those of his intimate friends who are present will, I think, bear me out when I say that he gave prominence, especially in his latter years, to four subjects in particular—economy in our national expenditure, reform of our land laws, the extension of Free Trade measures throughout the world, and inter¬ national amity. (Cheers.) Now, without any attempt at an oration—for I have a perfect horror of long speeches after dinner—let me say a few practical words on each of those heads. I have in my possession, and very much value, letters from Mr. Cobden urging me, when entering upon political life, not to forget the CORDE.V CL DR. 10 importance of a wise economy in our great spending departments; and I have never addressed my con¬ stituents since without endeavouring to impress upon them how desirable it is to husband our resources in times of profound peace, and so set free the springs of industry and lessen the burdens of the people. (Hear, hear.) I need not dilate to this enlightened assembly upon the dangers to nations from profuse and reckless expenditure of the public money. History tells us in many a melancholy page how much such a policy has tended to the decline and fall of States. We all admit the theory. There may, however, be differ¬ ences regarding the practice; but I think that, if Mr. Cobden were now alive, he would probably address his fellow-countrymen in words like these :— “ Happily, your foreign policy has entirely changed. You have given up meddling in every petty dispute which breaks out on the Continent of Europe; you have ceased to talk of the balance of power; you have got quit of nearly all those wretched provisions, in the Treaty of 1815, which provided merely for dynasties, without reference to nationalities or the wishes of the people. You have seen the establish¬ ment of a free Italy—(cheers)—and a compact, power¬ ful Fatherland in Germany. (Hear, hear.) You have DLV . VER , 1S74. II withdrawn the troops from your own colonies ; you have re-arranged-your military system, so as to make it more efficient for defensive purposes. You have become the workshop and the shipbuilding yard of the world ; your people are wealthier, more prosperous, more contented than they ever were before. Why should you keep up a standing army, more numerous in this island than it ever was in any period of our history, and a navy which the Secretary of the Ad¬ miralty said the other day, in the House of Commons, would be able in a fight to give a good account of herself against many combined fleets ?” Gentlemen, you all recollect Mr. Cobden’s desire that some one should take up the question of the Land Laws, as he had done that of the Corn Laws. We have made a little advance since that time, and the tendency of recent legislation has been in the right direction ; but there is a great danger of our progress being too slow, rather than too fast. I have always been much impressed by, and often have given utterance to, the sentiment that the aggrega¬ tion of large properties—especially when situated in different parts of the country, in the hands of one proprietor—is a serious evil and a social danger. (Cheers.) Every statute which tends directly or 12 COB DEN CLUB. indirectly to foster such a state of things, in my judgment, ought to be repealed. (Cheers.) Laws of entail and primogeniture, are relics of the past. The land should be bought and sold with as great facility and as little expense as any other article of merchandise. (Hear, hear.) There is a communistic feeling seething among the masses which mild Land Transfer Bills will touch very little, but which it would be wisdom to meet with a vigorous alteration of all those laws, affecting both the owner and the farmer, which are a mere ancient inheritance, and npt founded on the principles of justice. (Hear, hear.) My third point is—and this is the main mission of the Cobden Club—that every means should be taken to circulate Free Trade publications and promote Free Trade measures in other countries. That work has only just begun. We ourselves have not yet got the free breakfast-table, though, thanks to the Anti-Corn Law League and the splendid financial administration of Mr. Gladstone—(cheers) —we are very near it. But comparatively little has been done in other countries 1 . In some of our own colonies we all know there is a tendency to retro¬ grade. In Australia it was especially so ; but it is DINNER , 1874 . 13 a matter of sincere congratulation that New South Wales, under the leadership of Mr. Parkes, has broken the chain ; and every one who knows any¬ thing of the geography of the country and the state of the boundary-line question will see that Victoria, if she wishes to escape financial ruin, must follow suit. (Cheers.) I shall have the pleasure of reading to the club a letter which the secretary has received from Mr. Parkes. The committee voted him last year the gold medal for distinguished services rendered to Free Trade principles, and he writes thus :— “ Colonial Secretary’s Office, Sydney, May 8, 1874. “ Sir,—I beg to acknowledge the receipt of your letter of March 6, informing me that the Committee of the Cobden Club have been pleased to elect me one of their honorary members, and have decided to offer for my acceptance the gold medal of the club, in recognition of my ‘ services to the cause of Free Trade in Australia.’ Since the receipt of your letter, I have received the medal from his Excellency Sir Hercules Robinson. “ I cannot but be sensible that any service 11 may have rendered in this colony to the cause of the free intercourse of nations is very slight, and the recognition of that service by the body of distinguished men who constitute the Cobden Club is an honour which derives additional value from the unexpected and spontaneous mdnner in which it has been conferred. “ It may not be without interest to state that in the year 1862 I wa!s for a short time the guest of Mr. Cobden, at Dun- COB DEN CLUB. 14 ford, and that it was the force of his arguments, in a long conversation I had with him on Australian affairs and the Protective views entertained by many persons in the colonies, based upon the difference between young countries and old nations, which, more than any other influence, confirmed me in the opinions which I have since held on questions of commercial legislation. “ In accepting the gold medal and the position of honorary member of the Cobden Club, I beg you to assure the Com¬ mittee of my high sense of the honour conferred on me. “ I have the honour to be, Sir, your most obedient servant, “Henry Parkes. “ The Secretary of the Cobden Club.” Every gentleman present will, I am sure, be glad to hear that I have also a letter from our distinguished friend, M. Chevalier. (Cheers.) Indeed, he has shown himself so interested in our proceedings that he has written to no less than four gentlemen who are present in this room. I, however, will read only one of his letters, which is as follows :— “27, Avenue de l'lmp^ratrice, Paris, July 9, 1874. “ Monsieur le President,—Pressing business prevents me from joining the Cobden Club at their annual dinner, although it would give me great pleasure to meet a number of friends with whom I have common feelings, not only in deep regret for the premature loss of our much lamented friend, Richard Cobden, but also in the hope that the principles of Free Trade must make indefinite progress, and counterbalance, at least to a certain extent, the deplorable tendency to war. “Allow me, Mr. President, to add that among the various DINNER , 1874 . 15 affairs which at present detain me in Paris there is one which I hope, if it succeed, will not fail to be welcomed by all en¬ lightened Englishmen, and all Free Traders of both countries—I might say of Europe. I speak of the submarine tunnel between Calais and Dover. “ This plan, which ten years ago appeared visionary, is being approved more and more every day by practical men and by great financiers in France, and the probability is that, if our feelings be reciprocated in England, it will soon pass from a fiction into a reality.—Believe me, Mr. President, with renewed regrets, faithfully yours, “ Michel Chevalier. “The Right Hon. W. E. Baxter, M.P.” We have distinguished strangers here to-night. I know no man who has done more—ay, as much—to promote the views of the late Mr. Cobden as our illustrious friend, Mr. Cyrus Field. (Cheers.) He has crossed the Atlantic times without number, and travelled, shall I say millions of miles, as a messenger of peace. But his countrymen are yet wofully behind¬ hand in their understanding and acknowledgment of those Free Trade doctrines which eventually must be universally received. There is no man in this country who admires the United States more than I do, and who has oftener given expression to his sentiments in that respect. I have travelled much in the Great Republic, and been an eye-witness of the marvellous material, mental, and moral energy of its people ; I have carefully studied the COB DEN CLUB . l6 admirable system of common schools, which may be termed the safety-valve of democracy, and have seen the whole land, even in the far West, covered with Christian churches erected and sustained on the voluntary principle. (Hear, hear.) But the fiscal legislation of the United States is all wrong, and has done more than anything else to injure, almost to destroy, American shipbuilding, and to drive the star- spangled banner from the seas. We were favoured last year with the presence of Mr. Wells, who is, per¬ haps, the leader of American Free Traders. (Cheers.) You all heard his sentiments ; but there is one passage from his Report for 1871 so important that, though it has been read many times before, I will venture to read a few sentences again, because they contain a very remarkable commentary on American fiscal legislation. Mr. Wells states that “ in 1869 an enter¬ prising citizen of the North-West visited England for the purpose of contracting for an iron vessel suitable for the grain trade of the upper lakes. As foreign- built ships are not admitted on the American register, it was proposed to take over the vessel in sections, simply to serve as a pattern, and at the same time it was intended to import skilled workmen, and to establish an iron shipbuilding yard in the vicinity of DINNER , 1874. 17 Chicago. But when the duties, varying from 38 to 66 per cent, on the various articles employed in the construction of the vessel, came to be calculated, they were found to amount to so much that the project had to be abandoned. Thus Chicago and its neigh¬ bourhood are still without an iron shipbuilding yard.” The whole population is taxed in the attempt to protect the interest of a few hundred American iron¬ masters. To such circumstances as that just narrated the Commissioner attributes the decline in American shipping which has caused so much discussion in the States. Mr. Wells says that in America the cost of living is increasing in a greater ratio than the rate of wages and salaries, and he complains, not so much that comforts are curtailed, but that the power of saving is diminished. “ The rich are becoming richer, and the poor poorer.” “ Small accumulations of capital are stopped.” (Hear, hear.) I hope the gentlemen from that country who have favoured us with their company to-night will be successful in their endeavours to bring about a change of policy, and get quit of those Protective duties which so injuriously affect the American people. (Hear, hear.) “International amity”—Mr. Disraeli dislikes the adjective—I, on the other hand, rejoice to think that B i8 COB DEN CLUB. the old, narrow kind of patriotism, which confined our sympathies to our own country, looked with a jealous eye on the prosperity of other nations, and talked of our natural enemies, is passing away, and giving place to a nobler and more enlarged—shall I say a more Christian-like ?—feeling, which, placing England first, as a matter of course, in our affections, is anxious also to promote the weal of all other nations on the face of the earth. (Hear, hear.) I am quite aware that we are not living in Utopia—that the time has not come for hanging up the shield in the hall—(hear, hear)—that neither we nor our children’s children will see the millennium, that as long as crime and ignorance and evil passions prevail there will be jealousies and misunderstandings and quarrels between States: but it seems to me that there is less desire to foment and magnify them than there used to be, and that a dis¬ position is growing, it may be slowly, but still growing, to have recourse, between nations, as well as between individuals, to the common-sense plan of reference to arbitration, rather than the bloody arbitrament of war. (Cheers.) The highest tribute we can pay to the memory of Mr. Cobden is severally and collec¬ tively to do all that lies in our power to promote the principles to which he was so much attached, some of DINNER , 1874 . 19 which were regarded as chimeras and dreams at the period of their enunciation, but which are being received with more and more acceptance as time rolls on. (Renewed cheers.) The toast was drunk with all the honours. Sir Louis Mallet then proposed “ Our Foreign Guests.” He said :— It is the distinctive feature of the policy which we are met to commemorate, that it is one in which all the nations of the world have a common interest. The policy of Free Trade absorbs and reconciles conflicting interests and nationalities, and, rising above local and traditional prejudices, affords the only solid hope for the future of civilisation. It is this which gives to these gatherings an inter¬ national character, and procures us the honour of seeing at our board so many distinguished repre¬ sentatives from other countries of the cause which we cherish. We are to-night not less fortunate than on former occasions in this respect, for we have with us, as our Chairman has told you, M. Leon Say, Dr. Julius Faucher, and Mr. Cyrus Field. M. Say bears an inherited name dear to all economists, while his personal services as a public 20 COB BEN CLUB. man in France give him an additional title to our respect. I may add that his efforts to maintain at a time of peculiar danger—now happily averted—the Commercial Treaty, associated with the names of Cobden and Chevalier, call for our thanks to-day. (Hear, hear.) Dr. Julius Faucher is, in more senses than one, an international man. Himself a distinguished German, though born of a French family, gifted with much of the genius and fire of the race from which he springs, and trained under Cobden as an English journalist in the best school of economic thought, he has fought the battle of Free Trade through the length and breadth of Germany, and I am happy to have this occasion of thanking him for the advice and assistance which he gave in negotiating the Commercial Treaty with Austria. (Hear, hear.) As to our friend Mr. Cyrus Field, our Chairman has already called your attention to the services which he has rendered to our cause. His name is identified with the grand work of ocean telegraphy. We all honour the public spirit, faith, and energy which he devoted to the wonderful enterprise which has, so to speak, annihilated time and space between England and America; and which, by multiplying transactions DINNER , 1874 . 21 and quickening intercourse, has enlisted in the cause of Free Trade those material agencies which for the time have even eclipsed the lustre of the g«eat moral principle which inspires and animates our policy. Gentlemen, I propose to you with all my heart, “The Health of our Foreign Guests,” and I couple with the toast the names of M. Leon Say, Dr. Julius Faucher, and Mr. Cyrus Field. (Cheers.) M. LEON Say, who was very warmly cheered, spoke in French to the following effect:— Gentlemen,—Pray excuse me if I speak in French ; but it seems to me that your society will be all the more disposed to indulgence because the principles of Richard Cobden are true in every country, and in every language. I have deeply felt the evidences of sympathy which you have given me, and the compli¬ ments which Sir Louis Mallet has been good enough to address to me. But I cannot forget that France presents at this moment a spectacle which must grieve the true friends of economical science. We must especially regret it, those of my friends and myself who have been compelled, both in the Government and in the Chambers, to yield to necessity, and to surrender principles. In France we have no “ free breakfast-table.” From the time we get up to the 22 COB DEN CLUB. time we go to bed, we pay, it may be said, for our slightest movements. Yes, my friends and I were compelled to take the responsibility of deplorable measures because we had no choice of means. Re¬ duced to the most cruel extremities, we had to obey necessity. We were like a traveller surprised by a storm, who is obliged to provide himself with shelter with the first materials that come to hand. These harsh sacrifices were not confined to our financial organisation; we had to abandon for our circulation the metallic basis so dear to France since the melan¬ choly experience of the assignats. Our coin-went abroad, and we could count the number of twenty- franc pieces which were melted down in Germany. The value was more than a milliard. In order to replace that milliard we issued notes, and notes with a forced circulation. Hitherto the forced cur¬ rency has led to no inconvenience; and the course of exchange shows that the franc is at par compared with the pound sterling. I cannot refrain, however, from thinking upon what my father, Horace Say, said in 1848, at a period when specie payments had also ceased. “ I am frightened,” he said to me, “ by the small amount of injury the forced currency causes.” My sentiment is identical now ; and seeing DINNER , 1874 . 23 how little we have suffered, I ask myself whether the theory of the forced currency might not accli¬ matise itself in our country, which would be a great misfortune. The time, moreover, has come when we might reform, step by step, the provisional system of taxation we have adopted. The taxes upon articles of consumption appear to have reached their utmost limits. Those taxes produce about 900,000,000 francs a year. At the end of the year 1873 the taxes in question were divided into two categories, of about equal importance as revenue. Upon the former of these categories a supplementary tax of four per cent, was established. On the 30th of June of this year—that is to say, six months afterwards—we were able to estimate that the aug¬ mented taxes showed a diminution in their yield, while those which had not been touched showed an increase. It is an experimental trial, which shows that raised tariffs do not always give increased revenue. We shall by degrees replace these mate¬ rials, collected almost at random, by materials of good quality in our financial edifice. Time and effort will be necessary; but, notwithstanding all the obstacles we have to overcome, I beg you to believe that there is in France a small body of men faithful 24 COB DEM CLUB. to the principles of Richard Cobden, who will make them triumph in the end. (Loud cheers.) Dr. Julius Faucher, who was cordially re¬ ceived, said :— Mr. President and Gentlemen,—I am not in the happy position of being allowed to address you as my predecessor has done—in my own vernacular tongue—but will attempt to address you in English. I do not know whether I shall succeed. I have left this country now some fifteen years, and in the mean¬ time, naturally, my own country, where I have lived, has had the preference in the matter of language. My somewhat awkward position here to-night reminds me of a circumstance which occurred a year ago, when I myself made myself guilty of placing others in the same awkward position. At the annual dinner of German Economists, at Vienna, last August, we drank the health of the foreign guests, as you have just done, and it fell to my lot to propose the toast. There were present one Englishman, one Dane, two Dutchmen, and one Turk. (A laugh.) I gave the names of all those gentlemen to the company, and asked them to show us the way in which foreigners speak German, and they were all ready to do so. Mr. White, the English Consul at Dantzic, took the jDI.VNER, 1874 . - 25 lead, and delivered a most remarkably good German speech, leading me again to think that the English always speak German the best. Then followed the Dane, Professor Fredericksen, who is, I believe, an honorary member of this Club, and the others suc¬ ceeded, except the Turk, Abdullah Bey, Professor of Natural History at Constantinople, who turned out to be no real Turk, but a Viennese. Now, sir, the conclusion I am drawing from this experience is, that we ought not to have just one and the same language on earth, as an institution under which Free Trade and goodwill among men would advance more rapidly than at present. In every country, now, sometimes you have men—as, for instance, the late Sir John Bowring—who can speak even a very great number of languages. There should be everywhere only more study of foreign living languages, to promote a better approach between man and man. (Hear, hear.) When I lived in .England, I was well acquainted with the lamented great man in whose honour this banquet is held, and he once congratulated me upon the great benefits I enjoyed in being able to read, speak, and write two other languages beside my own, and he complained that the cause of peace and international Free Trade, 26 LOB DEN CLUB. which he had at heart, was so much hindered by the diversity of tongues, and the yet everywhere insufficient means to disseminate the knowledge of living foreign languages, French excepted. I spoke just now of Vienna, and of the exhi¬ bition there. This was the first international exhibition ever held on what I still may call German soil, and we may take heart from this; for there has always been a close connection between these great universal exhibitions of industry and the advance of Free Trade. (Hear, hear.) It has just been said by the Hon. Mr. Baxter that we have not yet succeeded in introducing cutting tariff reforms in the direction of Free Trade into Germany. But to a great extent this has taken place, and there are still better days in store for us. I feel quite sure that already the four last inter¬ national exhibitions of London and Paris have, by the exhibition of German, manufactures, furthered the cause, and have won over to it even the hitherto pro¬ tected German manufacturers themselves. By far the majority of them have now joined the agricultural and the shipping Interest, as well as the general con¬ sumer, in shouting for Free Trade. There have been many peculiar difficulties in our way, connected with DINNER, 1874 . political federal questions, but I think I am to-night entitled to say that the battle is as good as won. There are some strongholds of protection yet, and we may be sure that the relics of protection will be dis¬ lodged but slowly; but it will be done. For I am happy to tell you that there are in Germany, as there are in France and Russia, and Austria now, a band of men who will never cease their efforts until the full victory is achieved. (Cheers.) There are many thousands of thorough Free Traders in my country who will with much eagerness read the report of this interesting meeting, and 1 give you their friendly greetings. (Loud cheers.) Mr. Cyrus Field said he had to thank the pro¬ poser of the toast for the kind words he had spoken of the United States and of himself, but he protested that it was not fair—and the English people were known to be lovers of fair play—to arrest a poor Yankee on his way from California to Iceland— (laughter) — without notice, to address so distin¬ guished an audience. Richard Cobden had been his friend for many years, and his guest in America. In 1852 Mr. Cobden urged upon the late Prince Consort the propriety of appropriating the profits of the Great Exhibition of 1851 to the establishment 28 COB DEM CLUB. of- telegraphic corhmunication between England and America. (Cheers.) He was in Egypt when he received a telegram informing him of the death of Mr. Cobden. When he read that telegram he was dining at a festive table, at which were more than a hundred gentlemen from all parts of Europe, M. de Lesseps, of Suez Canal fame, being in the chair. He should never forget the scene which then occurred. On receiving the telegram he handed it to M. de Lesseps—the company had been twelve days together, winding up each evening with a ball, but on M. de Lesseps reading the telegram to the assembly and making a few appropriate remarks, every man—though all the nations of Europe were represented—left the table, feeling as if he had lost a personal friend. (Cheers.) No other death in Europe had ever produced so deep a feeling in America as did that of Richard Cobden. (Hear hear.) During their recent civil struggle he had been constantly in the society of Mr. Cobden, and he well remembered the sagacity and great powers of mind with which he had predicted what would be the end of that civil war. In Mr. Field’s library there hung on one side a portrait of Richard Cobden, signed with his own autograph, and on the other that of DINNER , 1874 . 29 John Bright. (Cheers.) Recently, crossing the prairies of Colorado, he inquired of tlie friend who was driving him the population of the place they were approaching, and his friend replied that he did not know, for he had not been there since the previous Monday. (Laughter.) Some of the gentlemen present might expect him to say a few words about the Free Trade movement in America, but as he left there on the 17th of June, twenty- four days ago, and as there was at the table a gentleman who had just landed from the United States—Mr. Halstead—he would, with their per¬ mission, ask that gentleman to state what was the present feeling in America in regard to Free Trade. (Cheers and laughter.) Mr. Halstead said that, some three weeks ago, while in the heart of America, he had agreed with Mr. Cyrus Field to meet him in England, for the purpose of going with him to Iceland, but had not promised to make his after-dinner speeches on the way. If, however, he could be permitted to go on for a few moments in all the peculiarities of American speech—(a laugh)—it was possible that, as he had left America only a fortnight ago, he could impart some information as to what was going 30 COB DEN' CLUB. on at the other side of the Atlantic, though Mr. Field’s perversity in uniting the continents by tele¬ graph reduced the interest of rapid personal loco¬ motion. First, as to the matter of currency, finances, and taxation, exterior and interior, he believed the people of the United States had proceeded in recent legislation upon a false principle. There were, however, excuses for it. They had, for instance, been contending with the Home Rule doc¬ trine at home in an aggravated form, for certain States had claimed the right to leave Union men to go about their own business, and to set up for themselves. They had further been obliged to con¬ tend with the doctrine that certain men of one complexion had the right to hold certain men of another complexion to service without paying them for their labour. (Hear, hear.) And even that was hardly the worst of it, for by virtue of holding men of another complexion they claimed to dictate to those who did not hold any of their fellow beings in bondage what their political duty was. They of the United States had only recently got through those preliminary questions by deciding them in favour of the doctrines that each citizen ought to own himself, and that the people of the States con- DINNER , 1874 . 31 stitute a nation—(cheers)—and now they were pre¬ pared to go into questions of revenue and currency, and that sort of thing. (A laugh.) They were stimulated to do it by the fact that they had accumulated during the recent war a considerable national debt upon which they were paying high interest. He wolild not go into the history of that at length, but in the matter of financial legislation, he was afraid they had not proceeded upon an intelligent principle. He hoped that they would make allowance for any freedom of manner, because he could not bring himself to feel that he was a stranger—certainly not a foreigner—among friends of Richard Cobden— (cheers)—whose name was as well known on the banks of the Ohio as on those of any English river, and was never mentioned without respect and honour; and he might be permitted to add that there was another name similarly regarded in America, and that was that of John Bright. (Cheers.) Tariff legislation in the United States did not mean either revenue or protection distinctly, but it was the product of a combination of selfish interests. Salt had a few votes, iron a few votes, leather had a few, grindstones a few—(laughter)—and so on, and 32 COB DEN CLUB. they all combined together to set up a system of taxation of the many for the benefit of the few. . (Cheers.) His home was on the Ohio, which river was remarkable for having been for a thousand miles the boundary line between the slave and free States of the Union. Cincinnati, where he resided, was the largest of the central cities of the country, and the change of public senti¬ ment there indicated in an unusual and suggestive degree what was going on throughout the United States. There were, he might say, no Protectionists there; he did not know of half a dozen persons in the city who believed in the doctrines of Protection. (Cheers.) Their political trouble on the question of Protection had arisen from • the fact that the great State of Pennsylvania—the only State which had in national affairs a pronounced and distinct public policy—was in favour of Protection. In the Ameri¬ can political system Pennsylvania was known as the keystone State—the keystone of the arch of all the States. Now, it was remarkable that that State, which was most full of valuable minerals and of , natural resources of all kinds, should have accepted the delusion that it was necessary, on account of her enormous internal riches, to be protected. (Laughter.) DINNER, 1874 . 33 They hoped before long to convince Pennsylvania of the error of her ways. (Hear, hear.) The Grangers would see to it that the agricultural interest should not want direct representatives in Congress; and the Trades’ Unionists, by the application to labour of the principle of Protection claimed for capital, were demonstrating its absurdity. He was quite within the mark in saying there had been a great change in public sentiment in the New England States on this question. Many remarkable evidences of that change were in possession of the members of the Cobden Club. He trusted that the English-speaking nations, having taken the foremost place in the establishment of free political institutions, might also come to the front in the matter of the adaptation of political economy as a science to general affairs. He was certain that all English-speaking nations would profit by that policy, and that in his own country, on those immense rivers which seamed the continent with navigable waters, its adoption would hasten the creation of cities which would surpass Palmyra and Alexandria of old, and rival even the majestic metropolis of the English Empire, whose flag in peace and in war shone on every sea (Cheers.) c 34 COB DEN CLUB. Mr. Ayrton, who was loudly called for, and on rising was received with cheers, proposed the next toast. He said that on most of the previous occa¬ sions of the dinners of the Club the Liberal party had been in the ascendant, and had been charged with the administration of the affairs of the country. (Hear, hear.) One could not but remember that on those occasions their t4bles had been adorned with many men who were pre-eminent in the ranks of the Liberal party. Having had the pleasure of dining there when Liberalism was in the ascend - nt, he had thought it his duty especially to come on the first occasion when Liberalism seemed for the moment to have given place to what might be con¬ sidered as a combination of all the Protectionist interests in the country. (Hear, hear.) He could not help thinking that the consequences of the recent General Election had been due in a great degree to the common effort made by every one who imagined that his own personal interests were threatened for the benefit of the nation at large. (Cheers and laughter.) There was a very great resemblance in the tone of the country at the recent election to that which, singular in its coinci¬ dence, had placed Sir Robert Peel at the head of DIX . YER , 1S74. affairs, and had for the moment depressed the Liberal party in the estimation of the country. That statesman had by a career of transcendant ability succeeded in persuading the nation that every interest was threatened, that ever)’- one was likely to be injured by the progress of Liberalism, and that he alone would be able to conduct public affairs upon such Conservative principles that every one’s interest would be preserved, and that the nation at large would be benefited by 'the preserva¬ tion of every thing which the party of progress' had deemed an abuse. (A laugh.) That might have been a great and generous aspiration on his part, but it was exactly the reverse of the principle of the Cobden Club; for if Free Trade had for itself any special mission, it certainly was that of carrying on war against the special interests of particular classes which were adverse to the interests of the nation at large, and therefore it appeared to him that it was pre-eminently the duty of all those who cherished the principles of Richard Cobden to take an interest in the maintenance of Liberal principles. (Hear, hear,) They should attend the meeting of the Club at those annual gatherings, and should be conspicuous by their presence, and show a desire to 3^ COB DEN CLUB. take an active part in the conduct of affairs, rather than be conspicuous by their absence. (Cheers.) Objections had been sometimes raised to the prac¬ tice of the members of the Club meeting at dinners like the present, which were accomplished by the indefatigable energy and exertions of their Honorary Secretary; but the dinners were by no means inap¬ propriate, for Mr. Cobden was not a professor of political economy as an abstract science. His mind was eminently practical, his object was to provide more abundant and cheaper food for the people, to -promote their industry and their welfare. Mr. •Potter, by his successful efforts, reminded them of the purpose for which Mr. Cobden struggled, whilst he afforded them an opportunity of stimulating one .another to renewed efforts to advance the views of the Liberal party, to enlarge the industry and com¬ fort of the people, and to promote for them the happiness which they were themselves enjoying. The right hon. gentleman then proceeded to propose the health of Mr. Potter, the hon. secretary, and one of the originators of the Club. Mr. T. B. Potter, who was received with prolonged ^cheering, said :— Permit me to thank you for the hearty manner in DINNER , 1874 . 37 which you have received the too kind mention of my name by Mr. Ayrton. It is a compliment which causes me all the greater pleasure because I admit that I have been blamed not unfrequently, and have been told, that the dinners given by the Cobden Club have been inconsistent with the Cobdenic character of our Association. (No, no.) I have heard it said that our good friend, whose memory we so much revere, would not have apprqved of such gatherings. This I certainly am not prepared to acknowledge ; for a more happy, congenial, and convivial companion, never lived. (Cheers.) The Cobden Club has, at any rate, been successful and useful. It has been in existence about eight years, and the dinners have been the means of bringing together political economists of all nations, who might not otherwise have met. They have also afforded an opportunity to many in our own country of meeting those who take a prominent part in connection with the government of the country, and who occupy high positions in the State. These meet here on friendly terms, and all parties learn to know each other a little better than they did before. This object, it is well to remember, was one of the earliest aims of the Cobden Club, and no one can doubt that a considerable benefit has been the result. COBDEN CLUB. (Cheers.) We have expended large sums on publica¬ tions which have done much good to the cause we all have at heart, and I am satisfied that the Cobden Club, as a literary and political society, has dis¬ seminated knowledge all over the world, and has done good service in the cause of progress. (Cheers.) There are some in this country who think that because the Cobden Club is regarded with coolness, perhaps with jealousy, here, it has no influence; but on the other side of the world it is thought more of, and it is the same throughout the colonies and amongst foreign nations. We are, in fact, the principal, if not the only nucleus of Free Trade intercourse with all parts of the world. It has been no slight satisfaction to me to know that we have such an associate and correspondent as Mr. Parkes in the city of Sydney, in the great colony of New South Wales. The resources of these colonies in the South Pacific are very great; they are in their youth, and Free Trade principles are taking a firm hold of their politicians. (Cheers.) For myself, I may say without egotism, gentlemen, that I have worked hard to secure for the Club a local residence; and I congratulate you on the fact that a new organisation has been established, to which all DINNER, 1S74. 39 members of the Cobden Club have access, which, though it does not bear the name of the Cobden Club, but is called the Liberal Club, is based on the broadest platform of political and Free Trade principles. The new Club will, I hope, have an international character ; and under the auspices of such men as the Duke of Devonshire, the Duke of Westminster, Mr. Gladstone, and Mr. Bright, I feel confident that it will be a social as well as a political success. You have now, gentlemen, offered to you what I predicted and advocated a few years ago; and, therefore, I think ,to-night I have a. right to congratulate myself, and you, that another of the objects of the Cobden Club has been attained. The Cobden Club has other objects which must not be given up, and which are of a distinctive character. We are now proposing to endeavour to educate the people on the subject of Local Government and Local Taxation—a question which occupies the mind of every statesman, both in this country and elsewhere. We think that the experience of other nations may throw light on this subject, and we are therefore preparing a series of i essays, by foreign writers, as well as our own country¬ men, which we hope may be useful, and which will be published early in 1875. (Cheers.) 40 COBDEN CLUB. The unexpected compliment of drinking my health, which you have paid me for the first time during my connection with the Cobden Club —(loud cheers),—has made me almost forget the duty which has been entrusted to me. I have to propose the health of the Chairman. (Cheers.) We were most anxious that our friend Mr. Baxter should take the chair this everting, as we knew that a more worthy exponent of the principles of Mr. Cobden could not be found. The right hon. gentleman is one of the very few who assisted in the foundation of this Club, and his loyalty to the principles of Cobden is such that we owe him gratitude for his past services, and, at the same time, confidently expect from him great assis¬ tance in the future. (Cheers.) I am sure it was the feeling of the committee, when they asked Mr. Baxter to preside to-night, that they were placing in the chair one around whom the members of the Cobden Club could rally as a leader, not merely at this gathering, but in his place in the country and the House of Commons. I ask you, therefore, to drink the health of Mr. Baxter. (Loud cheers.) The Chairman, in reply, said:— Mr. Potter and Gentlemen,—I regard it as one DINNER , 1874. 4i of the most distinguished honours of my life that I have been asked to take the chair at the annual • 'dinner of the Cobden Club, because I have been all my life a great admirer of Mr. Cobden. I feel that ' dhere are many of the principles so ably enunciated by him which will yet have to be discerned in the future political history of this country. My friend, Mr. Potter, said that this Cobden Club was the || "nucleus of free trade sentiments all over the world. $/• Gentlemen, there is no other nucleus. It is all very well to laugh at the Cobden Club, and to make WL jokes about dining at Greenwich ; but depend upon ji.it, you have founded an organisation here that will K kaye a name in history, and you may depend upon , it that Mr. Potter, who is really the author—the • Alpha and Omega, I may say—of the Institution, f made his mark, too, when he founded a club of I this important kind. (Cheers.) Guests present at the Dinner: , Mr. J. F. E. Barrett-Lennard, Mr. A. Bonham- !| Carter, Captain Gossett (Deputy Serjeant-at-Arms), j Herr. Leopold Giiterbock, Mr. R. G. Haliburton 42 COB DEN CLUB. (Canada), Dr. Isaac Hayes (United States), Mr. M. Halstead (United States), Mr. Hamilton A. Hill (United States)/ Mr. Lionel J. Robinson, Mr. Joseph S. Ropes (United States), Mr. William Sale, Mr. Thomas Wells. APPENDIX. (From the Times, July 14 , 1874 .) THE CANADA AND UNITED STATES* RECIPROCITY TREATY.' ' TO THE EDITOR OF THE TIMES. Sir, —It may be that you will favour me with space to supply an omission that you have pointed out in the re¬ marks which I made at the Greenwich banquet of the Cobden Club. Permit me to say that there was no purpose on my part to “avoid all reference” to the Reciprocity Treaty. I simply did not then see that it was my duty, as a stranger casually called upon, to attempt the enlightenment of England on so large and grave a subject as the Treaty. So far as one fact will go in diffusing useful knowledge, I desire now to place it at your service. The proposed Reciprocity Treaty between the United States and Canada was not presented in season to be acted upon, after the lull consideration its importance demanded, APPENDIX. 43 by the American Congress in the session of that body recently concluded; but its reception by the country, espe¬ cially by the Press, was most cordial, and I am sure it will be taken up in December next, and adopted. It certainly will receive the support of the representatives of the Central States of the nation. The Reciprocity Treaty which we of the United States had with Canada, and which lapsed through a mistaken and regretted policy, was profitable to us ; and the fact that the pending treaty comes from Canada is proof that our neigh¬ bours, as well as ourselves, find the removal of-restraints from commerce beneficial to all the interests that are legitimate. M. Halstead. St. James’s Hotel, July 13. Prospects of Free Trade in the British Colonies and the United States. —The Hon. David A. Wells— whose speech, delivered before the Cobden Club last year, on the results of Protection in the United States, has since been effectively circulated in all the colonies through the medium of the Club—has undertaken to contribute a series of papers on the same subject to the Melbowne Argus, which will be republished with a view to assist the Free Trade movement recently inaugurated in Australia by the Legis¬ lature of New South Wales, under the direction of Mr. Parkes. With reference to the United States, Mr. Wells, in a letter addressed to Mr. T. B. Potter, M.P., as Hon. Secretary of the Cobden Club, states his belief that after the defeat of the Protectionist interests in the last session of Congress, another Bill increasing duties will never again 44 COB DEN CLUB. become law. “ My predictions of last year,” he adds, “ concerning the rapid progress of Free Trade are being more than verified. The next Presidential election will show Free Trade as one of the great political elements, and I think we shall elect a President and a Congress that will give Protection its death-stroke.” Mr. Wells was this year elected by the French Institute to fill the place of the late Mr. John Stuart Mill in the Department of Moral and Political Science.—London Daily News, July 18, 1874. Mr. Wells was also nominated this year by the Senate of the University of Oxford for the honorary degree- of D.C.L., but was unable to be in England to receive the honour which it was proposed to confer upon him. Free Trade in Australia. —Mr. William Downie has just received a very gratifying letter from Mr. Thomas Bayley Potter, M.P., Hon. Secretary of the Cobden Club of London, having reference to the good effect of a Free Trade , policy in Australia. W. H. Duncan, Esq., Collector of Customs, Sydney, writes to Mr. Potter as follows :—“ I do J myself the honour to thank the Committee of the Cobden | Club, through you, for a copy of the excellent speech of the | Hon. David A. Wells, delivered before the Club, June 28, -| 1873. This admirable exposure of Xhe workings of Pro- " tection in America will be of immense service in the jl Australian colonies, in some of which protective duties still | prevail. In accordance, therefore, with what I assume to \ be the w;sh of your Club, I have taken measures to have this speech widely circulated .”—Boston Post , July x, 187,4* . ij APPENDIX. 44a - “To the Secretary of the Cobden Club. “Sir, —That the position contended for by the Chamber qf Commerce in this city, and now successfully embodied in our tariff, may be known by your members, I enclose copy of our Report of 1871, in which are recorded the principles which guided our action in pressing Free Trade on the Legis¬ lature. “ The Reports of your last Meeting have been read with much interest by all our members here. “ Your obedient Servant, ■ “John B. Watt. “ Late Chairman of the Chamber of Commerce, f “Sydney, August 1st, 1874.” EXTRACTS FROM THE ABOVE-MENTIONED REPORT. NEW TARIFF. In February last the new tariff retaining “ ad-valorem duties " proposed by the Government was carefully discussed . at several meetings of the members. The tariff as proposed was based on the principle of discriminating duties ; in other words, involved the principle of protection ; and willing as the members of the Chamber were to assent to any taxation that might be necessary to defray the expenses of Govern¬ ment and maintain the public credit, they felt strongly that a tariff based on protectionist principles must foil as a source of Revenue in exact proportion as it served its purpose of protection, and that industries created by protection could /not tend to the permanent prosperity of the colony, but would lead to an increasing demand for further protection, not only to the industries created, but, in common fairness, to all COBDEN CLUB. 44 b other industries, which would inevitably feel the pressure of the protection granted to the industries intended to be ? favoured in the first instance. ^ During the discussion on this subject the following Reso- - ^ lutions were adopted by the Chamber, and a Petition ■ embracing these views was presented to the Legislative . 1 ^ Assembly:— “ i.—This Chamber affirms the opinion it has re- | pe'atedly expressed, that ad-valorem duties are—ist, demoralising in their operation; 2nd, unequal in their incidence; 3rd, expensive in their collection; 4th, oppressive to the consumer to a degree far beyond the revenue they yield; and 5th, injurious to the trade of the port. “ 2.—That this Chamber deprecates the introduction into the fiscal policy of this colony of protective duties, yj as tending to bring into existence industries unsuited to > the present state of the colony, thus imposing a double burden on all other industries—ist, by the increased | cost of the protected articles; and 2nd, by the increased ;| taxation necessary to compensate, for the duty lost on ;| the protected articles. “ 3.—That the attempt to stimulate industries un- i .suited to the colony, and such as would not naturally 1 spring up under free trade, can only result in loss and disappointment, unless the duty be so high as, to be absolutely prohibitory ; inasmuch as the competition will be with countries where labour .and capital cost about one-half what they are in the colony, consequently the cost of manufacture is about one-half what it is here. “ 4.—That one industry, or several industries, pro¬ tected at the cost of all other industries, is a gross injustice to all others, And a loss to the community. § The protected industry being carried on at a loss which . is only made good by the loss of the community, their APPENDIX. 44 c labour and capital are wasted in producing at a loss what could be more cheaply imported. “ 5. —That however specious may be the arguments in favour of protection in manufacturing ( countries, where, by a universal system of protection, it may be attempted to protect each industry against the other, these wholly fail in their application to a countiy whose staple industry is in the production of exported raw material— such as wool, talloAV, coal, copper, and grain— the cost of production of which may be greatly ' increased by a protective tariff, but by no conceivable legislation, short of a bonus on exportation, can the . value of such products in the market of the world be increased, so as to compensate for the increased cost of production caused by protective duties. “ 6. — That a tariff partaking in any degree of a prd- tective character cannot be of long duration, for in as far as it serves its part as protective, it fails to produce revenue, and renders further taxation necessary. “ 7 - —That it is most desirable a tariff should be of a permanent character, so as to avoid the disturbance of commerce inseparable from repeated changes. “ 8. — That the necessary revenue should be raised by specific duties on as few articles of general consumption as possible, and such as will not come into competition with articles produced in the colony, and by this means the revenue will be raised with the least expense in collection, at the least inconvenience to the tax-payer and will steadily increase as population increases. - “ 9 -—That raw materials of every kind, forming as' they do the basis of every industry, should be admitted free of duty, and thus fair play will be given to the colonial manufacturers; and the industries developed under a system of free trade will be such as are suited to the circumstances of the colonists, and will be raised on a sound and healthy foundation. ? 10 -—That this Chamber is of opinion that the 44 ^ COBDEN CLUB. 9 Government should, by a comprehensive system of retrenchment, by improving the land laws so as to encourage the outlay of capital, by passing an Act to encourage immigration, by the extension of the munici- d pal system so as to relieve the central Government, *; and by a complete change in the fiscal policy of the colony, reduce taxation and give a stimulus to trade and manufactures.” Following up the principles thus enunciated, the Chamber. M used its influence to obtain the substitution of specific duties h for those levied ad-valorem, and to eliminate protectionist principles from the tariff; and the Committee are gratified Jp to be able to report that the action of the Assembly was in accordance with the views of the Chamber, causing' the 1 adoption of specific duties to a much larger extent than formerly, and abandoning the discriminating rates of ad- ;vj valorem duty. INTERCOLONIAL FREE TRADE. In the month of June this subject was revived by a com- I munication frorir the Chamber of Commerce, Hobart Town,’ |j transmitting copies of Acts of the Legislatures of Tasmania and New Zealand, to facilitate the establishment of Free d'J Trade between the colonies; the Chamber gave their best |j consideration to the suggestions, but holding the Free Trade 1 4 views which the Chamber does, it appeared to them that 1 the proper mode of ensuring Intercolonial Free Trade -j would be by extending the Free List of each colony, so as to |g admit all articles which are produced in either colony, free of' 45 duty. Any scheme which should continue to impose duties '|| on such articles when imported from Great Britain or else- M AIFEXDIX. where, while relieving them of duty when imported from other Colonies, it appeared to your Committee, is rather Intercolonial Protection than Intercolonial Free Trade. The following reply was therefore made to the communica¬ tion from the Chamber of Commerce, Hobart Town :— “ Sydney Chamber of Commerce, “Sydney, July 24, 1871. ' 1 “ To the Chairman of the Chamber of Commerce, Hobart Town. Sir, — I have the honour to acknowledge the receipt of your letter dated 18th June, which has been laid * before, and considered by, the members of the Chamber, at their Quarterly General Meeting. “The subject of Intercolonial Free Trade has fre- quently occupied the attention of the Chamber, but v more especially during the Conference of colonial r r Chambers of Commerce held in Sydney, in May, 1869, and I beg to recall to your notice the second resolution , passed at the Conference, and subsequently adopted by the Chamber, namely— |:V' “That a Customs Union, with one uniform tariff, is, in the opinion of this Conference, not only desirable, but the most practicable mode of giving effect to the P? principles of commercial federation. That a free inter- |- change of colonial products (for which a general desire r . has been expressed) is unattainable except by means of Ife a Customs Union, inasmuch as the Constitution Acts of %■ the various colonies and the instructions to Governors P r °bibit the imposition of differential duties, and the t: Home Government, through the late Secretary of State for the Colonies, explicitly stated in his despatch to the \ v Governor of New South Wales, dated 7th January, 1868, that the Imperial Parliament would only be willing to U assent to the removal of such prohibition in favour of a 44 / COB DEN CLUB. ‘ Customs Union’providing for the importation of goods’/ from rolony to colony, for an equitable division of the / Customs duties, and for a uniform tariff as between other countries and places. “ The practical difficulty here pointed out continues i in full force, namely, that a free exchange of infeiiS colonial products can only be attained by means of a I Customs Union, so that the Customs law,s of the | colonies may be in accord with those of the mother-^ country. “ This Chamber is ' thoroughly impressed with the J importance of free trade between' the colonies, but theyl^| look for the attainment of this object in the extension / of free trade principles rather than in special legislation, / which would only be a further departure from the prin-Q ciples of free trade. “ While a large portion of the revenue of each colony ' must be derived from Customs duties, these duties must be levied in accordance with the circumstances of each'/l colony, and with a special regard to, the products of each colony; thus the production of sugar in Queensland^ promises to be very large, and in this colony will be ; considerable, and this being an article on the con- ' 4 sumption of which a large revenue has hitherto been raised, its production will necessitate a readjustment of'|l Customs duties, and a like readjustment will be neces¬ sary as new products are developed'—a process which this Chamber hopes will steadily continue. “The two bills* of which you have been good ;! enough to transmit copies, show at once the difficulties' F that must arise' in attempting to carry out the scheme they are intended to favour. * Tasmanian Apt, entitled, “An Act to-make Better Provision ; for the Interchange of Colonial Products and Manufactures' between.Jl the Colonies of Australia.” New Zealand Act, entitled, “An Act-’/ respecting Reciprocity with the Australian Colonies and Tasmania as ta .4 Customs Duties.” APPENDIX. 44i r “ Thus, while--the Tasmanian Act is intended to £ allow the admission of all articles the product or manu- > facture of the other colonies, the New Zealand Act limits its operations to products or manufactures oi' K : other colonies, the raiu material being the produce of such ■t; , colonies , showing an important distinction, and one that V in the case of New Zealand would practically confine i its advantages to the raw material of other colonies, while the Tasmanian Act would admit all articles made in the colony, although the raw material were the produce of foreign countries. ; “In the Tasmanian Act the colony surrenders its right to interfere with the Act during the period that may be agreed on to the colony with which the agree- -A ment is made, while New Zealand retains the right to \ ‘ withdraw from the agreement at six months’ notice; thus, On the one hand, an element of unfairness in the relative positions of the contracting colonies is intro- p; duced, and, on the other, an uncertainty in the duration ^ of-the Act that would render it impossible for the other || . colonies to frame their fiscal policy on an agreement liable te be terminated on short notice. This Chamber can hardly hope that the Governments of the various |p colonies will be induced to adopt the unselfish policy of the Tasmanian Act, in giving to the other contracting | party alone the power to terminate the agreenient. 1 ?| “In both Acts, spirituous liquors and tobacco are p, specially excluded from the benefits of the arrange- ment ; it is a question how far this would apply to wine ’; containing a certain proportion of spirits ; and Victoria, South Australia, and this colony, being large producers of wine, might feel they were placed at a disadvantage in their wines being excluded from the benefits of the arrangement, while the products of other colonies would enter their ports free. In the same way, tobacco is an ,, article of large production in this colony, and its ex- COBDEN CLUB. 44* elusion from the proposed agreement might come to bg looked on as invidious. “ These remarks are made in no unfriendly spirit to the proposed agreement, but as illustrating the practical difficulties that now suggest themselves; and other diffi¬ culties of a like character must increase as new industries develop themselves in colonies ranging over such a variety of climates, and embracing such a variety of soil and products as do the Australian colonies and New Zealand. “ This Chamber is most anxious to see as fnee an interchange of colonial products as possible, but it is the opinion of the members that this can best be accomplished by extending the free list in each colony, and steadily adhering to the principle of free trade. “ I venture to enclose a copy of a series of reso¬ lutions recently adopted by'this Chamber, and to express the hope that your Chamber will concur with this in advocating the principles therein expressed, and in pressing their adoption on your Legislature, and thus tending to promote, on the most sure and permanent basis, the free interchange of colonial products and. manufactures. “ I have the honour to be, Sir, 936,000; in 1859 h had fallen to £32,489,000. It was at this period that Cobden and Chevalier conceived the idea of the Anglo-French Treaty, and the Governments of England and France had the wisdom and the courage to conclude it. The neces¬ sary consequence was the conclusion of the fifty or sixty similar treaties to which reference has already been made, and by which the tariffs of Europe have been reduced by about fifty per cent. In 1874 the value of the British export trade to the same countries INTRODUCTION. 7 attained the amount of £81,297,000, while the total addition to the trade of England with them in imports and exports was no less than £103,965,655 ! When it is considered that the effect of this general removal of restrictions upon the foreign trade of France, and of other Continental countries, has been even greater than upon that of England, it is difficult to over¬ estimate the importance of the impulse thus given to the international intercourse of Europe, both in its national and moral aspects. For it must not be forgotten that the acquisition of new markets in Europe is far more essential to our national prosperity than the progress of our trade with distant and half-civilised countries, upon which we have been compelled to rely by the unnatural state of our relations with our nearest neighbours. In a commercial sense, our trade with Europe par¬ takes much more of the nature of a home trade, and gives far more employment to labour, by the quicker circulation of capital, the rapidity of exchange, and the greater variety of its component parts ; and in a political sense, instead of involving heavy costs of supervision, and constant risks of war, tends more than any other agency to relieve our people from the burden of large armaments and excessive taxation, by fixing amidst “the waves of conflicting passions, and jarring interests, deep in the tenacious ground 8 COB DEN CLUB. of commercial sympathy, a rock for the foot of Peace!”* That which is disguised under the specious name of “ protection ” is, in reality, a mere tradition of primi¬ tive barbarism—a remnant of the bygone era when every foreigner was an enemy, and the rule of war— to take every advantage of the adversary and injure him as much as possible—entered into the spirit of all international dealings. The modern Treaty of Commerce is, on the contrary, a legible record of the dawning conviction that the good of each nation is the good of all. This truth in its economic aspect was first mastered by Adam Smith, in England, and Turgot, in France; and in the same two countries was devised, by Cobden and Chevalier, the machinery in question for the gradual accomplishment of their mission. But the principles of commercial policy upon which the Treaty of i860 proceeded have been the subject of much hostile criticism on the part of theoretical objectors in this country, from the date of its sig¬ nature to the present day ; and Mr. Cobden’s character for consistency and sagacity has been constantly im¬ pugned for the part which he played in connection with it. * Essay on the Mission of Richard Cobden, by the late Lord Hobart, in Macmillan's Magazine for January, 1867. INTRODUCTION. The objections which have been felt and expressed in certain quarters to the Treaty have never been better summed up than in Lord Hartington’s speech at the recent dinner, reported at page 24 of the proceedings :— “ There were some even among Cobden’s own friends, and among the professors of the strictest school of political economy, who doubted the sound¬ ness of the enterprise on which he was engaged, and doubted whether, under any circumstances, it could be right to enter intp stipulations on the subject of tariffs, and whether, until all the nations were pre¬ pared fully and freely to accept the principles of Free Trade, it would be wise to give any countenance to the idea that we could under any circumstances produce commercial advantages for ourselves by con¬ cessions which were not in reality concessions at all, but which were much greater advantages to ourselves than to the other party.” It is on this ground that it has been urged that the Treaty has impeded the recognition of the true principles of Free Trade among nations. This line of argument could hardly have been advanced by any one who did not regard the ques¬ tion from an exclusively British point of view, or who was in a position to appreciate the practical conditions of tariff reform on the Continent of Europe. 10 COB DEN CLUB. It was from a far clearer perception of economic principles, as well as from a much more pro¬ found knowledge than that possessed by his critics of the forces engaged in the actual struggle between Free Traders and Protectionists in other countries,'that Mr. Cobden was led to set his hand to the work which has since borne such abundant fruit. A complete vindication of this line of policy was contained in the “ Letters of a Disciple of Richard Cobden,” published by the Cobden Club, in 1870, to which no answer has as yet been attempted, and to which it might be enough to refer our readers; but to those to whom these letters are unknown a few further remarks may be useful. Mr. Cobden believed, and his belief is shared by most of those best qualified to form an opinion, that on the Continent of Europe it is difficult to expect any effectual progress in tariff reforms without much of concert and co-operation on the part of the leading States. The peculiar position of England—her vast colonial possessions, and the treaties which she has been able to impose on weaker countries, such as Turkey and China, have rendered her comparatively independent (though far less so than is generally supposed) of her nearer neighbours. It is not so with those countries to whom the trade INTRODUCTION. with co-terminous or co-Continental countries is as the breath of life. It is obvious that a country whose foreign trade is exclusively directed in a channel where it is exposed to hostile tariffs will be very powerless in effecting independent reductions of its own duties. This will be seen at once, if it be assumed that prohibition instead of Protection is enforced against foreign trade. A country whose products are prohibited in other countries, however free her own laws may be, can export and import nothing. Simultaneous reductions of tariff are, therefore, undeniably better than independent and separate revisions ; and if this be so, Commercial Treaties are not only the most convenient means of such revision, but infinitely the most effectual ; and this for two conclusive reasons among others :— 1. They are necessarily framed with a better knowledge of the natural conditions of the respective countries. 2. They afford a security from change, at least for a term of years ; an object of vital importance to trade which can be attained by no other method. But, moreover, this form of objection is founded on a misconception of the forces which promote the acceptance of Free Trade principles among nations. 12 COB DEN CLUB . The most powerful of these is not an intellectual, conviction, the result of a process of reasoning, but the teaching of practical experience, and the creation of vested interests. The importance of this last factor is apt to be overlooked. The power exerted by the vested interests of monopoly in maintaining a Protective system is notorious. A similar force is called into life on the opposite side by evoking vested interests of freedom. A signal proof of the influence of such a change in the “ balance of power” among the industrial classes is afforded by the history of the Treaty with France. That Treaty was concluded under very unfavourable conditions. It was, as it were, imposed on France by the will of the Emperor, and in the teeth of the national forces, which, under a representative govern¬ ment, would doubtless have prevailed. Nevertheless, such has been the re-distribution of public opinion on this question in France during the operation of the Treaty, that even when the whole strength of the Executive was exerted against its renewal under the auspices of M. Thiers, it was found impossible to upset it. The masonry was too solid to be under¬ mined by the combined forces of monopoly and “ Chauvinism.” It is difficult to conceive circumstances more ad¬ verse to the progress of Free Trade than those which INTRODUCTION. have existed in Europe during recent years. War and Protection act and re-act on each other with an inexorable logic, and the financial embarrassments of most of the Continental Governments have supplied an occasion, which the monopolists will only too readily seize, for recovering the ground which they have lost, and re-imposing Protection under the pretext of fiscal necessity. Nevertheless, the reports contained in the letters which we subjoin are not, on the whole, discouraging. Though much is lost, much also has been gained ; and it may be hoped that active and intelligent diplomacy may yet avert the impending collapse of the tariff system, and the confusion and disorder which must be its inevitable result. M. Bunsen and the Vicomte de Figaniere have called attention to the shortcomings of the British Government in their policy towards Germany and Portugal, by which opportunities were lost of con¬ solidating the Free Trade system in a manner which would have been of inestimable value at the present time. The persistent maintenance by England of pro¬ tective and discriminating duties on wines and spirits, in spite of the friendly appeals of foreign govern¬ ments, has not only retarded progress, but cast dis¬ couragement on the cause of Free Trade. 14 COB DEN CLUB. We direct the special attention of our readers to the remarks of these two writers. But perhaps the darkest spot in the prospect now presented, is the state of confusion and reaction so ably described by Mr. Montgomery Stuart, in a country from which better things were expected—viz., United Italy. It is believed that proposals have been made by the Italian Government for reviving, in the Treaties which are now under negotiation, the worst characteristic of the old form of commercial treaties, of which the Methuen Treaty was a type— viz., discriminating duties between the products of different countries. This attempt, if successful, will re-introduce into the European system an element of disorder which it has been the great object of the Free Trade policy during the last twenty years to re¬ move, by making it an indispensable condition of ail modern treaties that they should contain a “most favoured nation ” clause. This has now come almost to be regarded as a part of the common law of Europe: and it is hoped that the most uncompro¬ mising resistance will be made to this attempt. It is a satisfaction, in the present distracted state of Europe, which for the moment threatens to imperil some of the most important results of recent progress, to receive the assurances contained in the letters from our correspondents in the United States of America INTRODUCTION. I S' and in Australia as to the prospects of Free Trade in the communities on whose future course the destiny of the human race so much depends. Mr. David A. Wells, whose name is identified with our cause, and who is still, as ever, its powerful and un¬ tiring advocate in the United States, although unable yet to report legislative results, refers to the gradual growth of a public opinion founded both on sounder scientific knowledge, and still more upon the teachings of experience, which leads him to hope that his countrymen will not long repel a form of freedom so essential to the well-being and security of nations. We can well afford to wait a little longer for the adhesion of a people whose verdict, when pronounced, will be decisive of the fate of Protection both in Europe and America. It is impossible for Free Traders not to watch with the deepest interest the course of events in the Australian Colonies. There was too much reason to fear that these young States were entering upon the course, which has proved so disastrous in Europe, of inter-colonial treaties, tariff bargains, and differential duties. Happily the bold and sagacious policy of New South Wales, in giving effect to which Mr. Parkes has rendered signal service, followed, as it has been by South Australia, has interposed an obstacle to those COBDEN CLUB. 16 sinister projects, and afforded a hope that Australia may yet avoid, in the earlier stages of her history, the errors and follies of Europe and America, and lay the foundations of her future greatness in the firm ground of commercial freedom. The problem before her is one of no small diffi¬ culty. In England- the Imperial Parliament alone regulates all fiscal questions. In the German Federa¬ tion a Customs’ Union has only been achieved by arrangements in which the leading States have made considerable sacrifices of revenue for paramount political objects. In the United States, the Federal Government has reserved under its exclusive control the regulation and taxation of foreign trade ; and in the Canadian Dominions, which afford the closest parallel to the condition of Australia, a common tariff has only been secured by compromises which all Free Traders view with regret. It may still be hoped that the policy of New South Wales may engender in her sister colonies a spirit of generous rivalry and of enlightened self-interest which will bring about ultimate union under happier aus¬ pices, and with a Customs’ system which will satisfy the requirements of sound economy and wise finance. Thus there is much to view with hope, both in the great Republic of the West and in the rising States of Australia. If in Europe there is still too much to INTRODUCTIOW 17 rouse anxiety and disappoint the expectations of the past, there is no permanent cause of discourage¬ ment. In spite of standing armies, and the hostile claims and pretensions of rival powers, the great forces of industry and order will ultimately prevail. Free Traders do not believe, as is said by enemies and candid friends, that the success of their principles will put a final term to war. They do believe, as Cobden believed, that hostile tariffs and commercial jealousy have played a deadly part in the quarrels of Nations, and they see in the progress of Free Trade one cause of war the less, one hope of peace the more. L. M. THE COBDEN CLUB. The tenth dinner of the Cobden Club was held on the 17th of July, at the Ship Hotel, Greenwich. The chair was taken at 6 P.M. by M. MlCHEL CHEVALIER, in honour of whom the Club was specially assembled. The company numbered one hundred and sixty- two, among whom were many foreign members of the Club, and guests from all parts of Europe, from the United States, and the British Colonies. There were present M. Van de Putte, ex-Minister for the Colonies, Holland ; Baron Von Kiibeck, Deputy of Council, Austria; M. Corr Vander-Maeren, President of the Political Economy Society, Belgium, who was present as the delegate of that Society ; M. J. L. de Bruyn Kops, Editor of the Political Economy Review, Holland; M. Emile Boutmy, Director of the Ecole Libre des Sciences Politiques, Paris; Dr. Julius Faucher, Berlin; M. Auguste Guillemin, Paris; General M'Dowell, of the UnitecJ States Army ; Mr. Mahlon Sands, Secretary of the Free Trade League, New York; Mr. Nathan Appleton, Boston; Sir G. DINNER, 1875 . 19 Bowen, Governor of Victoria ; Mr. Luke S. Leake, Speaker of the House of Assembly, Western Australia; Mr. L, Constantine Burke, Assistant Attorney-General, Jamaica ; Mr. K. B. Murray, Sec¬ retary of the British Chamber of Commerce, Paris ; Chevalier de Scherzer, Director of Commercial Affairs at the Austrian Embassy; Herr Willerding, Consul- General for Sweden; Mr. D. E. Colnaghi, British Consul, Florence; Sir F. Hincks, C.B., Canada; Dr. Groning, Senator, Bremen; and Mr. Gower Evans, Melbourne. The Right Hon. the Marquis of Hartington, M.P., sat on the right, and the Right Hon. W. E. Forster, M.P., on the left of the Chairman. Among the rest of the company were the Right Hon. W. E. Baxter, M.P.; Right Hon. T. Milner Gibson; Right Hon. A. S. Ayrton; Right Hon. W. P. Adam, M.P.; Mr. G. Shaw Lefevre, M.P.; Mr. J. T. Hibbert; Mr. Arthur Otway; Sir T. D. Acland, M.P. ; Sir George Campbell, M.P.; Mr. H. Richard, M.P.; Dr. C. Cameron, M.P.; Mr. W. E. Briggs, M.P.; Mr. W. C. Brocklehurst, M.P.; Mr. W. Corbett, M.P.; Mr. R. Davies, M.P.; Mr. C. Harrison, M.P.; Mr. T. R. Hill, M.P.; Mr. W. Holms, M.P.; Mr. W. H. James, M.P.; Mr. A. MArthur, M.P.; Mr. W. M Arthur, M.P.; Mr. A. J. Moore, M.P.; Mr. E Noel, M.P. ; Serjeant Simon, M.P.; Mr. J. Whitwell, 20 COBDEN CLUB. M.P.; Mr. T. Burt, M.P.; Mr. James Caird, C.B.; Mr. John Lambert, C.B. ; Mr. R. Baxter, Mr. Albert Rutson, Professor H. J. S. Smith, Professor J. E. Thorold Rogers, Mr. J. W. Probyn, Mr. W. H. Ashurst, Mr. A. W. Dilke, Mr. Serjeant Parry, Mr. A. Bonham-Carter, Mr. R. Fowler, Mr. James White, Mr. B. Leigh Smith, etc. Mr. T. B. Potter, M.P., the Hon. Secretary of the Club, occupied the vice-chair. When dinner was over, The Chairman rose, amid loud cheers, and pro¬ posed the toast of “ The Queen,” in the following words :—Gentlemen : Having the honour of presiding on the present occasion, and knowing how sincerely loyal you all are to your Sovereign, Her Most Gra¬ cious Majesty Queen Victoria, I propose to drink to the health of the august Lady who sits on the throne of this great country. Allow me to add to this toast some few words, which become a foreigner, whom you welcome as a friend of truth and progress. Her Most Gracious Majesty has already occupied the throne for a length of time which exceeds the duration of most reigns. The nearly forty years that she has worn the crown has been the reign of almost uninter¬ rupted peace. Future generations will regard this exemption from the curse of war as a most remarkable and creditable example to all Sovereigns and Govern- DINNER, 1875 . 21 merits. Never during the same number of years has the power of England increased to the same height, and the record of this unparalleled progress will stand in golden letters on the pages of history. But that which, perhaps, lies nearest to the noble heart of your Sovereign, is the increase of the welfare, happiness, and freedom enjoyed by every class of her subjects, not only in Great Britain and the Sister Island, but wherever she rules throughout the surface of the globe. Three centuries and a half before our time, the flatterers of Charles V., King of Spain and Em¬ peror of Germany, and of his son, Philip II., King of Spain, boasted that the sun never set upon their do¬ minions. The same may be truly said of Her Majesty the Queen of the United Kingdom. But here the similarity ends. Charles V. and his son, Philip II., were tyrants. They were the enemies of every kind of liberty. They looked upon political and religious freedom as something to be eradicated from the earth. They enslaved industry and commerce. They abolished representative assemblies; they erected scaffolds; they promoted the odious power of the Inquisition, and set on fire its burning piles for the destruction of heretics. In America the people recently conquered were kept under an iron yoke, spoiled of their property, and held in abject servitude. From this dark picture turn to what is 22 COB DEN CLUB. going on in this United Kingdom, and its vast colonies and dependencies. From the nearest to the remotest corner of the British dominions, wherever British subjects live, whatever their race or colour (white dr black, yellow or red), whatever their religious creed, their manners, or customs, they love their Queen, be¬ cause their welfare is cared for, their legitimate interests are fostered, their political and religious liberties are respected, and their industry and commerce, freed from hindrances more than in any other country, are flourishing. (Cheers.) All these blessings are secured to the people under Her Majesty’s rule, of which both Houses of Parliament are essential parts, and on which public opinion acts as a stimulator, but of which the Queen is by her own right the head, and by her personal virtues and practice the great supporter and defender. I repeat the toast, “To Her Most Gracious Majesty Queen Victoria.” The toast having been drunk with much enthusiasm, the Marquis of HARTINGTON, who was very warmly received, said: Mr. Chairman and Gentlemen, — By the kind¬ ness of the Committee of this Club I have been commissioned to perform the pleasant duty of presenting the gold medal of this Club to our dis¬ tinguished Chairman, and of offering him, in the name of j the Club, our most hearty welcome. DINNER, 1875 . 23 (Applause.) Gentlemen, I am sure you will agree with me in the opinion that the medal of this Club could not be presented to a more worthy recipient. I do not refer at present to the writings upon political economy, or in defence of the principles of Free Trade, with which many of you are doubtless ac¬ quainted, or to the services of that description which have been rendered by our distinguished Chairman. M. Chevalier, like Mr. Cobden, the statesman whose memory we commemorate on this anniversary, has not confined his work to the labours of the closet, but has descended into the arena of practical politics. Probably our Chairman, more than any other man, has contributed to establish throughout the world the sound principles of political economy, and to induce Governments and nations to accept those principles which, we are convinced, are sound and true. Gentle¬ men, you are all aware that M. Chevalier was asso¬ ciated with Mr. Cobden in the great labour of negotiating the Commercial Treaty of i860. That work, I beg leave to say, will do credit to both those distinguished men, and I think it does equal credit to their originality, and genius, and courage. It was a stroke of originality and genius on the part of Mr. Cobden, and of those who were associated with him, to seize from the armoury of their opponents the weapon which had often been turned to the purpose 24 COB DEN CLUB. of imposing a most odious restriction upon the com¬ mercial enterprise of nations, and turning it to the removal of all restrictions on Free Trade. I say, also, the enterprise in which he engaged was an enterprise which required courage, because there were some even among his own friends, and among the professors of the strictest school of political economy, who doubted the soundness of the enterprise on which he was engaged, and doubted whether, under any circumstances, it could be right to enter into stipula¬ tions on the subject of tariffs, and whether, until all the nations were prepared fully and freely to accept the principles of Free Trade, it would be wise to give any countenance to the idea that we could under any circumstances purchase commercial advantages for ourselves by concessions which were not in reality concessions at all, but which were much greater advantages to ourselves than to the other party. Gentlemen, if Mr. Cobden had difficulties in the enterprise which he undertook, I ask you to consider what were the difficulties to be encountered by M. Chevalier. (Applause.) In a country where public opinion on the subject was, to say the least of it, totally unformed, he had to combat all the opposition which could be brought to bear by selfish interests which hitherto had thriven, or thought they had, upon Protection. Gentlemen, I think I may be allowed to DINNER, 1875 . 25 say one word as to the assistance which M. Chevalier received in this enterprise. It is not for us now to pronounce any opinion either for or against the Im¬ perial Government; but this I think we at least may be permitted to say, that, in this instance at least, the Emperor rose to a sense of the responsibility in which he was placed, and used the almost absolute authority with which he was invested for the interest and advantage of the whole people over whom he ruled, and not for the supposed interest or advantage of any class, whoever they might be. (Applause.) Gentlemen, it will not be for me to detain you by any particulars as to the effects of the treaty which was negotiated by Mr. Cobden and M. Chevalier. I hope that others who may follow me may be able to give you some information on this point ; but I trust that M. Chevalier, when he again addresses you, will be able to tell you that when a few years ago the terms of that treaty had expired, and when on account of the financial necessities of France some modifications of that treaty became necessary, and when, in consequence, some French statesmen desired to take advantage of those necessities to revive the principles of Protection, there was found to exist throughout France, among various interests and expressed in various ways, and in a far greater degree than could have been expected, a feeling in 26 COB DEN CLUB. favour of the Treaty of i860—(hear, hear)—and of the principles which were embodied, although only to a limited extent, in that treaty. (Cheers.) If M. Chevalier gives us, as I trust he can, such an assurance, I think we need feel no doubt that a final triumph throughout France, and indeed throughout Europe, of those principles which we advocate, is assured ; for it will prove that, in however a restricted manner, those principles have obtained a foothold and base of operations ; and if we believe, as I am sure we do believe, in the truth of the principles of Free Trade, that is all we require. (Hear, hear.) We are convinced that having once obtained that foothold and base of operation, they will go on extending until their final triumph is assured. (Hear.) I hope and trust that our distinguished Chairman and guest this evening may live to see that final consummation— (hear, hear)—and that he may live to receive the acknowledgment of the services he has rendered to his country—services as great as those which were rendered to his country by Cobden. (Cheers.) What those services were I need not detain you to recapitu¬ late. Still, it is well that we should sometimes cast one look back to the services which were rendered by Cobden and Bright and their friends. When once the victory of the principles of Free Trade was achieved in Parliament, their subsequent progress was DINNER , 1875 . 27 so silent, so undisturbed, and so unaccompanied by any violent changes, that we have come almost to regard the benefits which have been conferred upon us by Free Trade as if these benefits came to us by nature, as do light and air. (Cheers.) It is not amiss sometimes that we should reflect on the advantages which we have derived from those great reforms initiated and carried by Cobden. It is not only that all classes have benefited in their income and com¬ forts ; it is not only that those very classes which ought to have been ruined by Free Trade are now richer and more prosperous than ever, but above all it is that the working classes, the lowest and humblest of our fellow-citizens, have had their means of sub¬ sistence and comfort greatly increased ; and when we consider how large a portion of the life of those classes is occupied by a bare struggle for existence, it is almost impossible to overrate the advantages which have been conferred on us by Free Trade. Gentle¬ men, at this time, when after a week of rain and storm, which has caused serious apprehensions for the harvest, at this moment, when we are looking, at the most, with apprehension to a time of financial and commercial depression and inactivity, we should, if it had not been for the exertions of Mr. Cobden and his friends, have been looking to scarcity, perhaps even to famine, to disease, to discontent, and perhaps to 28 COB DEN CLUB. disturbance and disaffection. These are some of the benefits which have been conferred on this country by Cobden and those who followed him. Such benefits as these we hope will be conferred upon his country by the exertions of M. Chevalier and his friends, and I am sure I am expressing the feelings of all here when I say we heartily and sincerely trust our dis¬ tinguished guest this evening may live to see the fruits of Free Trade as fully and generously reaped in France as they have been in England. (Cheers.) I beg in the name of this Club to offer to M. Chevalier our most cordial welcome, and to present to him the medal which has been entrusted to me to deliver. (Cheers.) The noble Marquis then presented the medal to M. Chevalier, and resumed his seat amid loud cheers. M. Chevalier then rose to propose the principal toast of the evening—“ Prosperity to the Cobden Club. He spoke in English, as follows :— Gentlemen : I feel most grateful for this kind sur¬ prise—the unexpected gift of your gold medal. The zeal I may have displayed for the cause of Free Trade, and for which you think proper to award me this handsome medal, is but a feeble and dull imita¬ tion of what many of you have done, and of what Richard Cobden set so striking and so successful an example. I am highly flattered also that this DINNER, 1875 . 29 medal was transmitted to me in your behalf through the hands of the noble orator who fills so important and elevated a position in the House of Commons. Between the Marquis of Hartington and me already existed a tie of which I feel proud. We were made doctors at the University of Cambridge on the same day, thirteen years ago, under the auspices of his illustrious father, the Duke of Devonshire, but from this day there will be a new tie between us, that of gratitude on my part for the very complimentary words by which he has accom¬ panied the presentation of the medal. I now propose to drink to “ The Prosperity of the Cobden Club.” The Cobden Club of itself, and through its nume¬ rous associates scattered all over the world, has ren¬ dered important services to the cause of civilisation. Its motto, “ Free Trade, Peace, Goodwill among Nations,” is to be ever praised. It is perfectly well chosen, even for the least troubled times, for it recalls to the mind admirable blessings, the value of which men, when their passions are aroused, are prone to forget. Free Trade, peace, and goodwill among nations are in perfect accordance with the highest interests of mankind, and essential to the progress and prosperity of every nation under the sun, of every province, and almost of every individual. Yet look COB DEN CLUB. 30 at the history, not of times buried in the dust of the past, but of the present century. The spirit of war, the love of military glory, the ardour for conquest and for national supremacy, are defects inherent in the nature of man, and they find ready entrance into the minds even of talented and able statesmen pro¬ fessing to be humane and Christian. Of your motto, the first point, Free Trade, seems now in a fair way to form part of the policy of all Governments, and at no distant day to come off conqueror. The majority of the governing classes of other nations are doing their duty, as you have done on this side of the Channel. But it is not so with the other sentiments expressed in your device. There is still alive, and, alas ! in good health and high spirits, a school of politicians who seem to consider peace and goodwill among nations as wild dreams and chimerical notions, fit only for the amusement or literary exercise of rhetoricians. At this very moment an effort to support every word of your device is far from being superfluous. It has rather become a necessity. Two or three months ago peace and goodwill among nations seemed for a moment a mere delusion—a vapour ready to vanish. Had not the Government of this United Kingdom taken a wise and firm stand, as well as the Russian Government, a wide-spread, devastating war might have swept over Europe. DINNER , 1875. 3 i Free Trade! Around this table sit many valiant, eloquent, strong supporters of it. Men no longer laugh at it, as they did in the council halls of England a century ago, as they did on the Con¬ tinent only a score of years before the present day. The victory is virtually won for the civilised world, and it has been so through the persevering efforts and wisdom of a number of able, high- minded men in this country. Ultimate triumph is certain from London and Paris to Pekin and Yeddo, vid Washington, as the result of what has been done successfully for the cause by the greatest merchants of the City of London, allied with Thomas Cooke in 1820; by Huskisson in 1825; by our immortal Richard Cobden, his intimate friend, John Bright, and their associates of the Anti-Corn-Law League since 1838 ; by Sir Robert Peel in 1846; and it is impossible to forget the name of Gladstone in that galaxy of statesmen who, after Sir Robert Peel to the present day, took the task into their own hands in Parliament, and worked at it with such untiring firm¬ ness and ability. (Cheers.) On this important subject of Free Trade we have now come to the testing point. Before the end of 1877 all the Governments of Continental Europe must make up their minds in regard to the renewal of their Commercial Treaties, and this is but 3 2 COBDEN CLUB. the question of Free Trade itself. Nor is the agita¬ tion of this question confined to Europe. Either the Universal Exhibition so magnificently organising at this moment in Philadelphia for next year has no meaning whatever, or it is a sign that the day draws near when the Free Trade policy will have obtained its introduction into the great Republic of the New World. (Cheers.) We have good reason to hope that the Free Trade principle is to be benefited by the renewal of treaties, and that at the end of 1877 Continental Europe may be nearer the point we aim at than it is now. Still, persevering exertions are needed to secure this acquisition, and I beg to be allowed to say that this Club cannot be idle at so momentous a time. Experience and well-ascertained facts constitute the strongest kind of evidence, and are the best arguments to use in persuading states¬ men, representative assemblies, and the public at large in every country, of the propriety and necessity of a change from Prohibition and Protection to Free Trade, from heavy customs’ duties to a very liberal tariff. The example of the English nation, whose wealth has been so much enhanced by the adoption of Free Trade, is the most forcible and convincing proof which can be used to influence public opinion in Europe and America. A true and complete state¬ ment of the progress realised by England will make a DINNER, 1875. 33 deep impression upon the mind of every observing and thinking person abroad. At the annual general meeting of the Club held on the 26th of June, it has been resolved that the Club, to which the world is already indebted for the publication of excellent volumes, should take proper steps for publishing books and pamphlets suitable to the present circum¬ stances, and for promoting lectures calculated to further the cause of Free Trade. For these measures the Club deserves to be congratulated, for they are very auspicious, and they come at the most proper moment. This fact is a new evidence that the Club knows what to do at all times, and that it is com¬ posed of men who are ready to unite their exertions with those of all other public-spirited men, either in England or abroad, for the accomplishment of the important objects for which the Club was organised. It would be a dangerous illusion to suppose that, although the advantages of Free Trade are immense, the re-construction of the Treaties of Commerce on a liberal basis throughout Europe can be accomplished without a hard struggle. The Protectionist interest is still very strong, and they will use every effort to regain the ground they have lost. They understand that if they are beaten on the present occasion they are so for ever. It would be a great point to them, even without wresting anything from the Free Traders, C 34 COB DEN CLUB. if they could succeed in stopping the Free Trade current, which went on in a masterly way on the Continent of Europe from i860, mainly under the guidance of the late Government of France, and of the deceased Emperor Napoleon III. personally. Now, the reasons we have on our side, and of which the Free Traders on the Continent will make the best use in their power, are the following ones :—Besides the marvellous success of the experiment commenced in England thirty or forty years ago, we have the signal success of, at any rate, the beginning of the Free Trade policy in the Continental States and specially in France. It may be said without exaggera¬ tion that this wholesome policy, followed since i860, although restricted and timid, as it must be in the outset, has added so much to the resources of France that it has enabled her to bear the heavy burdens arising from the tremendous war of 1870, including the sum, amounting to more than £200,000,000 ster¬ ling, exacted from her by the victor. Owing to the wealth acquired and acquiring every day under the auspices of a Free Trade system still very far from perfect, France has the power of supplying a budget of above one hundred millions of pounds, besides thirty-five or forty millions of local expenses. Another beneficial effect of the Free Trade system of France, even imperfect and incomplete as it is, may be DINNER, 1875. 35 seen in the fact that bank notes, in average to the amount of mere than one hundred millions of pounds, nominally inconvertible, circulate freely in the country with no discount—a financial phenomenon which has no parallel to be met with before in the history of any country. If, then, the tree of Free Trade has produced such fruits, even when, as is the case in France, some of its largest roots are wanting, and some of its finest branches cut off, what will it not produce when all its roots and branches are allowed to- develop themselves freely and fully ? (Cheers.) The narrow escape Continental Europe had from a bloody contest at the end of last April has aroused, on the Continent a feeling very favourable to the cause of Free Trade, because Free Trade is endowed with a great force to oblige, in many cases, the genius of war to recede. On this point I beg to lay before you some reflections for which we are indebted to Richard Cobden, and which you may have heard from his lips more than once. It would be going beyond the mark to say that Free Trade may ever defeat warlike enterprise. The spirit of war, on account of the horrors and losses it inflicts on nations, is so great an evil that mankind, intelligent as it is, never ought to let itself be subdued and mastered by it. But we must not indulge in vain hope, and certain illusion. Owing to the imperfection of our 36 COD DEN CLUB. nature, in truth, it must be acknowledged that war is a vice by which mankind will be swayed more or less to the end of centuries. In consequence of this dreadful passion, the most civilised nations and the most humane statesmen are compelled to keep armies organised and preparations for war always in readiness. Richard Cobden had a most humane spirit, and he hated war as strongly as anybody on the earth; but, at the same time, he had cosmopolitan tendencies ; that is, he believed the will of God to be that men be brothers to each other. At the same time he was a patriot, and he hated oppression and attempts of outrages to national dignity, from what¬ ever quarter they might come. He thought that un¬ fortunately war was in some cases unavoidable, as being for a peace-loving nation the only resource against -'foreign violence. Then, if war be from time to time unavoidable, so is the expense of standing armies and ■of warlike preparations. Still, if war cannot be abolished, certainly it may be restrained in the number of its explosions. In cases of emergency, when the danger is near, arbitration opens to wise and patriotic statesmen a fair way of adjusting the differences which may occur. Here allow me to say that one of the merits of the Cobden Club is its attachment to the principle of arbitration, although recognising the diffi¬ culties which, in some cases, attend its application. DINNER, 1875. 37 The influence of Free Trade in the same direction is very great, and it is of a preventive character. Free Trade disseminates the seeds of harmony and solidarity, when national hatred may rule, and brutal selfishness may create the base desire to gain riches and power by plunder and arrogant domination over other nations. Free Trade is the intimate friend and ally of peace. This belief is now widely diffused in Europe, and tends to the extension of the Free Trade policy. If the Commercial Treaties which were negotiated from year to year, after the signature of the Treaty of i860 between England and France, had been of a more ancient date ; if the com¬ mercial regime they have established had been in operation for twenty years instead of five or six, on the average, when the war broke out between France and Germany, in 1870, it is very likely that this awful war would have been averted. This opinion is held on the Continent by a number of enlightened persons—a circumstance which may give confidence in the success of the attempt to improve the treaties now verging on their expiration, and to frame new ones on more liberal terms. The Free Traders on the Continent will spare no efforts in promoting this invaluable result, and they rejoice that the Cobden Club fully participate in their feeling and heartily desire their success. (Cheers.) If success crowns these mutual pro- 3 * COBDEN CLUB. ceedings, it will be most gratifying to all assembled in this room, for the sake of the various nations to which they belong. Let me add that to the soul of Richard Cobden, who bequeathed you his plan and his hopes, and whose name has become the name of your body, it will be a great satisfaction in the calm and quiet abode to which it has been raised by the merciful hand of God. M. Chevalier then proposed the toast, “ To the Memory of Richard Cobden, and the Prosperity of the Cobden Club.” The speech was received with cheers, and the toast drunk with enthusiasm. - Mr. W. E. Forster, who was loudly cheered, said : The health which I have the honour to propose is put down on the paper as “ The Health of the Foreign Guests,” but there is a mistake here. We are not only proud to entertain foreign gentlemen here, but there are included in this toast guests not foreign, but from our Colonies, whom we are delighted to see at a great Free Trade banquet, and we have also here gentlemen whom I can hardly call foreigners—our kinsmen from the United States. (Cheers.) A man who, like myself, has very recently been for some months at home in that country can hardly call General M‘Dowell or Mr. Appleton foreigners. I do not know, of all the meetings of this Club in honour of Mr. Cobden, that there is one which would have given D 2 A/NER, 1875. 39 him more pleasure to attend if living than the one this evening. I think it would have been a special pleasure to him if he could have looked forward to the time to see his name associated, not only with a gathering of his own countrymen in these isles, but also of men from over the seas, celebrating his principles and trying to promote them. It would have been a great delight to him to know that from all points of the Conti¬ nent came fellow-workers and sympathisers in our principles. Gentlemen, your Chairman has most properly warned you that this is a time at which this gathering is of real practical advantage. He has very ungrudg¬ ingly responded to the question of my noble friend as to the prospects of Free Trade on the Continent of Europe, and has given quite as sanguine a reply as I could have hoped for, and no less sanguine a reply than I believe to be true. There is no doubt, as he says, that a crisis is quickly coming on. Treaties formed after the French Treaty are coming to an end. The Protectionists are making what we all hope will be their last struggle. Upon that struggle I am requested to tell you, as I am sure you will be glad to hear, Free Traders in Germany contemplate a conference in Berlin, organised by Baron Behr, at which several members of our Club—Mr. W. C. Cartwright, Mr. Behrens, of Bradford, and Mr. Shaw Lefevre—will be 40 COB DEN CLUB. present. Several letters have been received from the Continent sympathising with our movement; they are too long to read now, but they will be published in the proceedings. I have mentioned what would have been the pleasure of Mr. Cobden at this meeting, but what would he have felt or said about the great move¬ ments in which he took so much interest, in which he spent his life, if he could have lived to see this time ? I dare say we shall be told on Monday morning by those who hardly ever acknowledge a hope of success until it is accomplished—(laughter)— that, had he been living now, he would have been down-hearted and depressed, and doubting the truth of his own principles. But we who knew him when living, and who read his writings, and knew the spirit of the man, know that temporary checks would never have depressed him. As regards Free Trade, I do not see the grounds for that discouragement, as I think Free Trade has survived, with great success, great difficulties and dangers. Take France—the French Treaty was greatly due to Cobden and Chevalier ; but they both would have acknowledged that it was also greatly owing to that perception of truth and deter¬ mination to realise it, which, as my noble friend has so eloquently expressed it, was the characteristic of the late Emperor Napoleon. We give no opinion on his DINNER , 1875. general policy—if we were asked to give one, perhaps we might not wish to express it—but we cannot at a meeting of the Cobden Club hear the name of the Em¬ peror Napoleon without respect, and almost with reverence. He was a great advocate of Free Trade. He fell, and in a manner which made his fall likely to in¬ crease the unpopularity of any cause which he had espoused ; and following him came a statesman, to whom France owes much, who helped her in the time of need, but who was as well known for his zeal against Free Trade as the Emperor was known for it. Nevertheless, France has not gone back, in spite of the power of M. Thiers. In the same way there has been a great difficulty in the very enormous sums which, owing to the late war, Continental nations have had to raise. That has also been the case in the country of General M‘Dowell. That gives the Protectionists a great chance. When they have to raise revenues, it is so easy to get in a Protectionist duty by calling it a tariff or revenue duty. I am prepared to meet our critics with the statement that Free Trade has not gone back since the days of Cobden, and I believe the prophesying and encouraging words of our President will turn out to be true, and that the next struggle will be a serious one, will require all the efforts of our Government and of the friends and advocates of Free Trade, in this and other countries, to en- 42 COB DEN CLUB. counter it, but will be the last struggle against the real principles of Free Trade. (Cheers.) Well, but Richard Cobden was not only the advo¬ cate of Free Trade, he was the apostle of peace. What shall we say about peace ? Well, I think there has been so much fighting in Europe, and I am sure there has been so much fighting in America, that there is not likely to be more fighting at present. I believe too many people have suffered to wish for war again. I do not know what it may be on the Continent, but I know that in the United States the apostles of peace are the soldiers of the late war. However that may be, all that we can do is not to boast over our comparative exemption, but to sympathise and feel for those nations and peoples. We have had to pass through their difficulties. Look at France and her internal struggle at this moment. In order to under¬ stand the feelings of each party we must go back to our own civil war, and to the times of Cromwell and James II. If we take the great struggle now going on in Germany between the Civil and the Eccle¬ siastical Power, it will not become me to give an opinion on it at such a meeting as this, nor would you desire to hear it; but if we would understand and sympathise with the feelings of either party we must not compare them with the England of the present age we must compare them with the England of the DINNER, 1875. 43 time of Elizabeth, or of the time of the Popish Plot. It is a delicate subject when we have gathered round our table members of so many different nationalities of Europe; but when we consider all those inter¬ national feelings which result in these enormous armies, we must ourselves look back, to understand them, to the time when we had a frontier between ourselves and Scotland ; while now, thank God, we have not a frontier in the world—no frontier from which there is any danger, for we have either the sea, or in our wide-spread dominions we have uncivilised, and, therefore, weak neighbours in every important dependency, except in that one case where in Canada we have our friends in the United States, with whom we have no quarrel or probability of quarrel hereafter. (Cheers.) This being our position, let us not be induced to boast over it, but rather let us endeavour to put ourselves in the position of people on the Continent, and not blame them over much. We should rather grieve over them that they feel that they are driven by the circumstances in which they are placed to have these tremendous armies drinking up, as it were, their very life blood. I do not know that we can do more than try to induce the good and w r ise men in the nations of Europe to take counsel together and to endeavour to preach to their own countrymen our motto of “ Free Trade, Peace, and 44 COBDEN CLUB. Goodwill amongst Nations.” (Cheers.) I hope that this Club may, to some extent, do honour to the name of him whom we are here to celebrate, by gathering together men of this nature, who are willing thus to take counsel together. But we must not boast over our position ; we have our own rocks ahead, and we have our Cassandras to tell us of them, and sometimes they are described in such eloquent terms that I dare say you, like myself, are filled with alarm. (Laughter, and cries of “No!”) Well, “no,” I say too. There is the progress of Democracy even in this country, there is the power of the masses and the increase of that power, and sometimes w'e may seem to fear in what that may result. Let me just say what my right hon. friend, Mr. Cobden’s old colleague and fellow-labourer, Mr. Milner Gibson— (cheers)—has told me this evening, that over and over again and many a time has he had proved to him, and asserted as without the possibility of dispute, that England was going on in a course which would soon make it a hell upon earth. Well, it is true we are not in heaven, and I do not know that we are near it, but we certainly are not much farther off it than we were twenty or thirty years ago. (Cheers.) There is one question on which I cannot help, at a meeting of this Club, saying one word, because I believe that Cobden would have been delighted if he DINNER, 1875. 45 had seen the present aspect of that question. We are often told we have no international war, but we have a war within our borders between labour and capital. Well, I have been an employer of labour ever since I arrived at manhood, and I can say that I never saw a time in which employers and employed were on better terms than they are now. (Cheers.) But whatever we may say or think of our future, there is no doubt that our present is very quiet. Sometimes people almost sneer and lament over this quietness, and say, What has become of the great English-speaking nations, when England and America have had for the last year only two things upon which they have been occupied—two sensational, not to say scandalous trials, and of little else have they been thinking ? I am afraid our friends on the Con¬ tinent would not sympathise with our lamentations over this quiet, and would not be sorry even if they had two similar trials, provided they had no other kind of anxiety. There is, however, one opportunity which we English-speaking nations could seize if we would, that would do good to ourselves, to the world, and to Europe, viz., if we would establish Free Trade amongst ourselves—(cheers)—if we could get Sir George Bowen to go back and preach the success of Free Trade in the great Australian commonwealths which have risen up, and which we regard with such 4 6 COB DEN CLUB. pride and joy. We have a leading member of another Australian community here ; if he, too, could go back and persuade his friends to a‘similar policy; if we could persuade our American friends to do the same. (Hear, hear.) They may say it is against their interest, but we know better. (Hear.) We have tried all that, and we know that the interest of the con¬ sumer is the interest of the country. (Cheers.) All I can say is this: if we could in any way secure Free Trade amongst the English-speaking nations; if we could say that there should be no custom-houses to bar intercourse between them, we should give such a lesson of peace and prosperity to the countries of Europe that I believe they would disband their stand¬ ing armies and follow our example. We shall be told that this is a dream, and such a dream as could only be dreamed after dinner. .(Laughter.) But, re¬ member, these dreams are not impossible in these days, nor in a free country. Directly the sentiments of a country become convinced, what had appeared to be wrong is seen to be right; and however un¬ reasonable it may be to have such expectations, I trust in them, and I think they will be the forerunners of a close alliance amongst the English-speaking races. I believe it is one of those dreams of the present which is a shadow of the future. (Cheers.) I beg to give the toast of “ Our Guests from over the DINNER, 1875. 47 Sea,” and I will call on several distinguished gentle¬ men to respond. The toast was drunk with great warmth. M. Van DE Putte, ex-Minister of the Colonies for Holland, who was first called on to respond, said :— I must begin by asking the patience of the assem¬ bly, not only because I am not at all prepared to speak this evening, but moreover because I speak very bad English. I will be very short; but I will try to speak in the English of this glorious country. (Hear, hear.) Mr. Forster has proposed “The Foreign Guests.” I belong to a foreign nation which stood three hundred years ago at the head in sound prin¬ ciples of self-government, in liberal institutions, religious tolerance, and Free Trade. (Hear, hear.) But times are changed, and the time is distant when Holland could pretend to have any influence in Europe in political matters ; but still we sympathise with self-government, with liberal institutions, and with religious tolerance. My hon. friend and I of the Dutch Parliament (M. Kops) are very happy to assist at the Cobden dinner, and to assent to the principles of the Club—“Free Trade, Peace, and Goodwill amongst Nations.” Baron VON KiiBECK, Deputy of the Council of Austria, next responded. He said :— 4 8 COB DEN CLUB. Mr. Chairman and Gentlemen,—You will not, I am convinced, measure my words with the standard of a severe judge, as it is only too natural that a foreigner, who has to speak in a strange idiom, should fail to make himself understood. I feel proud, and happy, and honoured indeed to appear amongst this illus¬ trious and distinguished assembly. Till now, I never had occasion to avail myself of the privilege of taking part in a meeting of the Cobden Club—an assembly which represents true humanity, peace, Free Trade, and goodwill amongst nations—noble principles, which will and must sooner or later conquer the world, in spite of a strong and obstinate resistance, not free from misunderstanding of facts and principles. To defy such an opposition has always been and is the task of strong and clear minds. It is therefore with a feeling of pride that I have to thank the mem¬ bers of this Club, who put my name down among the list of honorary members. I am proud of it as an Austrian subject, because it has given me an opportunity to-day to affirm that in my own country the principles of the great and im¬ mortal Cobden are taking root every day more and more. And the real criterion for this my opinion is, that even the Protectionists, who are raising their heads again very boldly, do not seriously dream, as they did ten or fifteen years ago, of high Protective DINNER, 1875 . 49 duties, and they are quite contented if the duties are not very much reduced. (Hear, hear.) I cannot keep silence about the sad fact, which I feel it my duty to tell you, that the English-Austrian Treaty, concluded in the year 1865, and the second Supplementary Treaty, in 1869, have not met with great sympathy in our country. I believe, and did not shrink from declaring frankly at different public meetings in Austria, that the greater part of our textile manufacturers overlook the real reasons of the deplorable state of most of our industries at present, by attributing it all to our treaties with England and other Powers, with whom they have been concluded on the same basis. It seems quite evident that, after a period of over¬ speculation, and of a sort of general epidemic craving to gain riches with the least possible trouble and effort —so to say, by gambling—the real and fictitious capitals run into wrong channels, where they lie for a time unproductive, and at last a panic on the Exchange takes place, the immediate consequence of which is that the investors’ earnings are very much reduced, and their industry paralysed ; they have no outlet for their goods, and are compelled to sell them at further reductions, and they are unable to see their income regularly guaranteed as it was before. This extra¬ ordinary and unlucky state of things, temporary as it D COB DEN CLUB. 5 ° is, just coincides with the expiration of the Anglo- Austrian Treaty of Commerce, the renewal of which will, I am afraid, meet with no little difficulty in Austria. There is no doubt that the universality of trade caused by the daily increasing means of communica¬ tion, by the conformity of legislation in all the civilised states of Europe, by the liberal institutions, which bring nations continually nearer together, and make manifest the absolute' solidarity of their eco¬ nomical interests—that this very universality renders crises on the money market and their consequences more generally felt than before ; but to believe, as the manufacturers do, that these consequences can be stopped by an artificial isolation is to rely on the same fallacy on which Protectionism itself rests. (Hear, hear.) But since the somewhat antiquated ideas of the South-German author and statesman, Fred. List, and the newer doctrines about Social Science of Carey, have possessed the minds of a great part of my own countrymen and of the South-Germans, it seems hope¬ less to convince them in what a contradiction they put themselves towards the exigencies of modern times, so clearly conceived by the great Cobden. These facts suggested to several of my friends in Austria to form a Society of Austrian Political-Econo- DINNER, 1875 . 5 1 mists, having the object of exchanging, in yearly congresses, their ideas about the most important economical questions, with special reference to our own legislation, and stimulating an intelligent interest in such questions throughout our nation. Let me hope to see, one day, our young association grow into an ally of the Cobden Club. (Cheers.) We have the satisfaction to count amongst our foreign members two very distinguished members' of the Cobden Club, Sir Louis Mallet and Mr. Somerset Beaumont, and I am sure it is a good omen for the further development of our young society that these gentlemen, who have often proved themselves friends of Austria, willingly accepted their nomination as honorary members. Our first congress was held at Vienna on the 5th, 6th, and 7th of April last, when the following topics were discussed :— 1. Currency and National Banks. 2. Railway Tariffs. 3. Home Taxation. 4. Commercial Policy. You can easily imagine that the great question of commercial policy opened a fair tournament between Free Traders and Protectionists, which lasted eight hours in one continuance. Some of my friends joined me in a most enlightened manner, and certainly with 52 COB DEN CLUB. the most trenchant arguments that could be brought forward ; amongst them I might mention to you Dr. Alexander von Dorn, editor of the Gazette of Trieste, and member of the Committee of the German Congress of Economists, and Professor Francis Neumann, who is an honorary member of the Cobden Club, but is unfortunately prevented from coming over here by official business. To my very great disappointment we were defeated by a considerable majority of the Congress on grounds which I have already tried to explain, and which seemed to me based rather on a thorough theoretical misunderstanding—perhaps misinterpretation—than on, as you might think, high Protectionism. The word Free Trade ’ has still something alarming in the ears of a great part of our manufacturers and many other people too, because, without penetrating coolly and quietly the practical meaning of this great word, and of the immortal ideas of Cobden, they are always checked by the fallacy of a supposed robbery committed on the home labour by allowing foreign goods to come in, and admitting foreign competition. Whoever observes and takes into consideration the progress that industry has made altogether, and espe¬ cially in Austria, how our exports have grown as the result of the competition, not only within the bound¬ aries of the country itself, but also with all the states DINNER, 1875. S 3 of Europe, will not deny that the modern Treaties of Commerce, based on the principle of the “ most favoured nation ” clause, have helped a great deal to enhance this progress. I trust the new treaty, which will be concluded after the expiration of the old one, between England and Austro-Hungary will not prove a reaction against the system lately inaugurated. I have sufficient confidence in the wisdom of our statesmen and Parliament that both will walk the right middle path, and know how to resist any unjust and one¬ sided, although loud, agitation in the direction of Protectionism. (Cheers.) This, Mr. Chairman, is my sincerest wish, and, speaking of my own country, I know very well that our proverbial friendship and alliance with the great British Empire, which has brought us at last, after long difficulties and struggles, the blessings of liberal political and religious institutions, will bring us also that of economical liberty, the logical consequence of any other freedom. Mr. Chairman, you mentioned the friendly relations between England and France, which replaced the old jealousy between the two countries. I am happy to remind you of the friendship existing now between Austria and Italy, a proof of which was given in the cordial reception offered to my loved and magnani- 54 COB DEN CLUB. mous sovereign, the Emperor Francis Joseph, by His Majesty the King of Italy and his people at Venice. The old feud is forgotten. (Cheers.) Allow me to express a hope now that as Austria has always followed England on the basis of freedom and truth, she will also follow her in that liberty of trade which is of as much radical consequence as any other. There¬ fore I wish heartily for everlasting friendship between Great Britain and Austria, and I echo the sentiments of Cobden, “Free Trade, peace, and goodwill between all nations.” (Loud cheers.) In introducing General M'Dowell, Mr. Forster said :— It is only fair for me first to tell you that I rather caught General M'Dowell and brought him down here. He is not, like so many of our guests, a known and pronounced Free Trader, and I don’t know what his sentiments are, but of this I am sure, he will not go away from this meeting less a Free Trader than he came. (Laughter.) General M ‘Dowell said :— Mr. Chairman,—At some meetings there is a sort of provision, or preliminary rule, which requires that no one shall speak who has not had sufficient warning eforehand, and if that is necessary for persons whose usiness it is to talk, and speak, and argue, how much e necessary should it be for one who belongs to a DINNER , 1875. 55 profession whose business it is not to talk. This is the first political meeting of any kind or description I have attended in this or any other country. We generals of the United States are not suffered to have, as such, any part in public affairs of a civil descrip¬ tion. But I fully respond to the statement of Mr. Forster that generals who have seen fire are about as good a peace society as can possibly be produced ; and though our business is war, I venture to say there is not in this meeting or this country a more thorough advocate than myself for the time when the golden threads of white-winged commerce shall weave a web to bind together all the nations of the earth. (Hear, hear.) I am an advocate of enduring peace ; but you must recollect that it is not the soldiers who make the wars. That is a very great fallacy, though it is something with which we are constantly reproached. I don’t know how it may be in Europe, but in the United States the army has never made war, it has always made peace. (Cheers and laughter.) In the few wars in which our country has had the misfor¬ tune to be involved, I recall not one in which any initial step was taken by any person in the military service ; it was always done by the acts of omission or commission of those who had the direction of the political power of the country at the time. I am not so hopeful as Mr. Forster as to universal peace, ',6 COD DEN CLUB. for I recollect reading in the Old Testament that after every great war the nation had forty-nine years of rest only; but we have, perhaps, enlarged the time somewhat since. As to the question which has so much occupied this Society I am not competent my¬ self to speak. Mr. Forster very truly says he caught me up, and I was very proud indeed to have the honour of being caught up by such a person and brought to such a place. (Hear, hear.) I have been “ chaffed ” no less than half-a-dozen times since I have been in England on Free Trade in America. I confess I don’t know anything about it; but I will say one thing in answer to the remark made a while ago, as if we were yet to be initiated into the subject of Free Trade, that I think we began it before you did. If I recollect a debate that has taken place in my own country, it was a prominent question in America before you had repealed your Corn Laws, and when you were not Free Traders at all. It was a great question in one of our states, and at one time it was Free Trade, and at another time it was the other way, so that I don’t think you can assume that any nation or individual is to be governed by anything more than their enlightened self-interest. We have our troubles, and you have yours. We have had large expenses. We don’t adjust our tariff as, perhaps, it should be ; but on that subject there is a diversity of opinion DINNER, 1875. 57 amongst us. Some of our best-thinking and en¬ lightened men are as great Free Traders as you are, but there are others who, as Mr. Forster says, must raise money somehow. A man who was once asked where he preferred to have a “ boil,” said he would prefer to have it on some one else. (Loud laughter.) Now that is the case with some in America—those we call the “ cast-iron party,” who don’t favour Free Trade, and who tell us that the two great products of the United States—tobacco and spirits—contribute very largely, by their heavy duties, to the maintenance of the Government in other countries ; and here I find, as a layman in politics, a good deal to be said on both sides. I fully appreciate all the benefits that are to come from peace and goodwill towards men, and from free intercourse to the different places of the world, and on that subject I think that we in the United States have nothing whatever to be ashamed of. We welcome all persons to our country ; we never ask whether he is an Flungarian, or a Scotchman, or an Irishman, or an Englishman ; if he is a good workman, and will make a good citizen, we give him all the privileges we have ourselves. And I think we have had our good account of this. This was done perhaps with no very great view as to what might be the consequences of it, but I think I may say now, at this time, that the hundreds of thousands 58 COBDEN CLUB. of communications that passed backwards and for¬ wards between America and Great Britain during our war created an influence outside the country itself to which we were mainly indebted for the non-inter¬ ference of this great country in our affairs, and for the fact that we are now at this moment still the “ United States ” of America. (Cheers.) Mr. Nathan Appleton, of the United States, said :—Mr. Chairman and Gentlemen : It is with pleasure that I respond, on behalf of the United States, to the toast of “ Free Trade,” because, although I don’t know very well what is the condition of other countries in that respect, I am perfectly convinced that the United States to-day is ripe for it. (Hear, hear.) I know that there is a great deal that is delusive in the word “ Freedom ; ” that people who seek for it often do not get what they wish ; but there are some things that I believe occur instinctively to the human mind as things we ought to have free —such as free air, free speech, free religion, and I would like also to say, “Free Trade.” (Hear, hear.) It might perhaps seem strange for me to speak so strongly on the latter, because I have been brought up in strong Protectionist surroundings, amongst a strong Protectionist section of the country. I remember that my honoured father, who was one of the pioneers of the introduction of the cotton manufactures into DINNER, 1875. 59 New England, was of opinion that a moderate Protec¬ tion was necessary, and considering the great success of that industry, perhaps he was right in his time. (Cries of “ No, no.”) But now the times have changed; the United States, no longer in its infancy, has become at least a young man, if it can get free from its leading strings and can cast off Protection as an old garment. It is not so many weeks ago since a gentle¬ man in Boston, strongly connected with the cotton interest, told me that he thought the cotton mills and manufacturers would get on without Protection, but he was not so sure of it with regard to the other in¬ terests, such as the woollen; and I was delighted to hear this admission, so far as it went. Then, going into the principles of Political Economy, as applied to Free Trade among the great nations of the world, I think there are some little questions of detail which are applicable to the United States; for instance, that it is impossible to prevent smuggling, or to honestly collect the revenue in a country of such immense territorial extent, and of such a large coast survey; and I believe that the bad effect of this and the demoralisation occasioned to the national character, is more than can be compensated for by the little money which will come from the revenues. I have read that the Caliph Ali, son-in-law of Ma¬ homet, said, “ In the course of a long life, I find that 6 o COBDEN CLUB. persons are more like the times in which they live than they are like their fathers; ” and Professor Draper, in quoting this, says that this profoundly philosophical remark is strictly true, for although persons may resemble strongly in feature and form their parentage and those from whom they are de¬ scended, they themselves are more moulded by the character of the times in which they live ; and so, Mr. Chairman and Gentlemen, I think and hope, or I want to think at any rate, that the times in which we live are the times for Free Trade, so that all of us may be moulded by them, and particularly we of the United States—East, West, and South, and even our mer¬ chants and manufacturers of New England. I hope that this feeling for Free Trade will take a great im¬ pulse in our next centennial year, and that it will become one of the staunchest planks of the platform of our next Presidential Election. And here, Mr. Chairman and Gentlemen, if you will allow me to digress for a few minutes, I will speak a few words about the Centennial, for I have only recently arrived from the United States, and the cheers I heard at Lexington and Bunker’s Hill are still ringing in my ears ; and I feel there is a great misun¬ derstanding and particularly in England—as to what that Centennial means to us. (Cries of “ No, no.”) The time has passed for us to have any petty feeling of jealousy or triumph in regard to the nation to DINNER, 1875. 61 which belongs our origin. (Cheers.) One hundred years, though a little in the history of mankind, is a good deal, in this electric age, in the life of a nation ; and so, as we feel a proud rivalry and ambition with other nations in the world of progress that is going on, we look back only with feelings of pride and venera¬ tion to the country from which we sprang, which we know was then a great country, and which has ever since proved itself to be. And I would say this as an American, that my ancestor was an Englishman who, two hundred and fifty years ago, crossed the Atlantic to seek a new home in America, while I return here to-day, in the easy transit of a few days, and as I visited my ancient home, in Suffolk County, and looked at the old trees under which my ancestor lived, and while I breathed the same air, I felt not only a pride there, but half a feeling of possession, as if I had a right to be there. (Cheers.) And, Mr. Chairman, if you will allow me to say some things of your country which you so honourably represent, the history of the United States shows that the Hugue¬ nots long ago came over there, and our historical recollections are blended also with what you did for us a hundred years ago. I could speak also of all the nations who have contributed to make up that extra¬ ordinary aggregation of races and tongues which we call the United States of America ; but I intended to explain what this Centennial meant to us. It is 62 COBDEN CLUB. the reconciliation of North and South. I remember, as long ago as 1869, at an American banquet, the Hon. A. Burlinghame—“big-hearted Burlinghame,” who passed away when he seemed so near his career to regenerate China—said to the Americans who were then assembled, “We had a great fight; now let us have a great fraternisation. And as I had the privilege of taking a small part in that fight, I want to claim a great part in the fraternisation. I feel that never m the history of the world has it occurred to a nation that has been through the agony of a civil war—and Heaven knows that it was an agony—to have had such an opportunity given to it so soon as it was given to us, to make up all the troubles of the past, to heal the wound, and embrace as we could never have done before, because the only thing that separated us —Slavery—has been removed.” (Cheers.) And, now, Mr. Chairman and Gentlemen, if, in celebration of this act, we seem to go a little too far; if, perhaps, we allow the American Eagle to scream a little louder than is modest, I would request you all to pardon us for it; and if you will come over to Philadelphia and take part in our celebration, or hold the next meeting of the Cobden Club there, I am sure you will say that what we are doing is in the cause of peace and good¬ will to all men. I should have stopped here had it not been for those delightful words of Mr. Forster with regard to peace; but I would say, before DINNER, 1875. 63 sitting down, what General M'Dowell has said, that those who are in the army and have seen war are the first to wish to have peace. And now let me conclude with one short stanza from our poet:— “Down the dark future, through long generations, The echoing sounds grow fainter, and then cease, And like a bell, with solemn, sweet vibrations, I hear once more the voice of Christ say, ‘Peace ! ’ ” (Cheers.) Mr. Luke S. Leake, Speaker of the House of Assembly of Western Australia, said : Mr. Chairman, my Lords and Gentlemen, I have been very dis¬ appointed this evening. I have kept a diary since I •have been in England, and I find that a month or five tyeeks ago I had the honour of an invitation to join the Cobden Club to-day. I accepted with pleasure, for it was a. great distinction, I considered, offered to me and the colony which to a certain degree I represent; but the day before yesterday I received a hint that possibly I might have to respond to the “ Foreign Guests.” I wondered why I should be called upon to respond to such a toast, as, though I have been all my life in Australia, I am as thorough an Englishman in heart, in thought, and in action, as any one at this table to-night. (Cheers.) [A voice, “ You look like it.”] Do I look like a foreigner ? I must say again, I think I have been to a certain degree deprived of my rights in another way 64 COB DEN CLUB. (laughter), because others have been called upon to speak before me, and I thought I should have had all the honour and glory of speaking for these illustrious strangers, and I came prepared with a very long speech. (Renewed laughter.) But I shall not detain you this evening more than a couple of hours. (Laughter.) When I came here a hint was given me that it would be acceptable if I gave some little idea of what the Australian policy would be as to Free Trade. (Hear, hear.) Now, this to me would be a very difficult task, because I hold a peculiar position. I am Speaker of a Council, and am supposed never to speak at all (laughter); and I am representing one of the smallest colonies, whilst amongst your guests are those’ who represent much larger colonies, for I must tell you that, beginning at Western Australia, which is the nearest part to England, and which only has about 26,000 inhabitants, we pass on to South Australia, with many more inhabitants, and then to Victoria, which is larger still, and we then go on to New South Wales, and then to Queensland, and opposite Victoria we cross to Van Dieman s Land, or Tasmania ; and south-east of that we pass on to New Zealand. If I were to presume to give you what might be an Australian opinion of Free Trade, it might possibly be reported to the world, and I should be “ hauled over the coals ” by the larger Australian Colonies : I intend to shirk the DINNER , 1875. 65 question as far as they are concerned, only an¬ swering for the small colony to which I belong. I belong to Western Australia, a very small colony, and I believe I am doing the Government of our colony no harm in saying that the policy of our late Government (Mr. Welds’), represented in our Legisla¬ tive Council by Mr. Bailee (the Colonial Secretary), was one of Free Trade. (Cheers.) For myself, I feel, like my friend, General M'Dowell, that there are difficulties we labour under. If we authorise the Government to spend money, we must find them the means of obtaining it. As our friend says, to put it in a practical way, “ Let each one say where he would like the ‘ boil.’ ” (Laughter.) It is so because the difficulty of a policy of Free Trade is how to exercise it. Now, I have in my colony to consider this, as a member of the Council, because before I was Speaker I had to be elected a member by the people ; and we have to consider, when we have voted certain sums of money, how it is to be raised. We think, if a man will have luxuries he must pay for them, and so we place such articles as these in our tariff: fourteen shillings a gallon on all spirits. I suppose that would not be Free Trade. Then we go on to wines—regardless of where they come from— four shillings a gallon ; then tobacco, one shilling and ninepence a pound. From all I can see, Free Trade E 66 COBDEN CLUB. in Australia amounts more than anything else to this : that the poor man shall have his bread free, and for that reason there is no duty on flour, though I believe it can be grown very much cheaper in other colonies. We are so far Free Traders there that the poor man’s loaf is not taxed ; we only tax his beer. I have not had the opportunity to prepare a speech on these details; but I have here an abstract of a statistical return in regard to Australia. Though a portion of it may have been published in the colony, yet there is a part of it that is not known to those around me, and instead of reading it I will hand it to the reporters to make any use of it they please. I will merely point out that we have a population of nearly two millions; {he revenue for 1873 was upwards of eleven millions, of which six millions was raised by taxes; and the rate of local taxation per head was two pounds twelve shillings and seven pence. The public debt was forty-four millions, and per head twenty pounds. [The table referred to by the speaker is subjoined to the Report, at page 72.] Dr. Julius Faucher also responded. He remarked that there was a rivalry in Free Trade through the whole world ; but in many of the countiies of Europe which he had just visited the Protectionists were elated. They were very much alive in Ita y. He deprecated the idea that France 67 DINNER , 1875. and Germany would go to war again, because both were tired of it. Mr. Henry Richard, M.P., then said. The toast which I have the honour to propose, and which is the last of the evening, is one which I am sure you will respond to with cordial and unanimous acclamation—the health of our honoured and dis¬ tinguished Chairman. (Cheers.) After the eloquent eulogy already pronounced by the noble Marquis on the high qualities and eminent services of M. Chevalier, it is unnecessary for me to expatiate upon that topic. I cannot conceive of a more fitting arrangement than that of M. Chevalier presiding over a meeting to do honour to the memory of Richard Cobden, for we cannot help recognising in these two eminent men many of the same qualities of character, the same far- reaching intelligence, the same enlightened patriotism, combined with a generous regard to the general in¬ terests of humanity, the same resolute firmness of purpose in maintaining and advocating the freedom ot commerce and the principles of peace. (Cheers.) Perhaps I may be permitted for a moment to refer to a work in which I am now engaged that is closely connected with the object that has brought us together this evening. I refer to the collection and publication of Mr. Cobden’s letters. This was a work which I did not undertake of my own will, but at the request of Mrs. Cobden, and many of the leading 68 COD DEN CLUB. friends of Mr. Cobden. Some of you who have been aware that I have had this matter in hand may feel some surprise and regret that the work has not appeared before. But this was not altogether my fault, though no doubt a person who had more ab¬ solute leisure at command might have more expedited the publication. But I have found great difficulty in the preliminary step of getting the letters together. Mr. Cobden’s correspondence was very copious and wide-spread, extending not only over all parts of the United Kingdom, but over the Continent of Europe and the United States of America. Some of his correspondents were dead, and it was not easy always to find out their representatives. Others were men much occupied, to whom it was not always easy to find time to search for and arrange the letters. But through the kindness of friends, Mrs. Cobden and I have at length succeeded in getting possession of a large number of the letters, including those to Mr. Bright, M. Chevalier, M. Arles Dufour, Mr. George Wilson, Mr. Henry Ashworth, Mr. Caird, and many others. I have read them all through, and I intend to devote the next Parliamentary recess to the task of completing the preparation of the work for the pi ess. If I am not greatly mistaken, it will be a work of rare and singular interest. Mr. Cobden was an admirable letter-writer, and evidently took pleasure in that mode of communicating his senti- DINNER, 1875. (9 ments and feelings. His letters will contain the running commentary on all the leading political and public events of the last twenty-five or thirty years of a mind of rare sagacity and singleness of purpose, and I would fain hope the publication will help to bring about something of a liberal revival, such as is sorely needed in these days of political scepticism and lukewarmness. But to revert to the toast I have to propose, I call upon you by unanimous acclamation to drink the health of our Chairman, and to express our gratitude to him for the excellent service he has rendered to us on this occasion. The toast was enthusiastically received. The Chairman : I feel very much obliged to you, but I must say that, if thanks ought to be expressed, it ought to be on my part towards you for the very great satisfaction and pleasure I have received ; and whilst I say I am obliged to you for your thanks, allow me at the same time to return my thanks to you. I will now propose the health of Mr. T. B. Potter, the Vice-President, who is the good genius of the Cobden Club, and has borne the brunt of its organi¬ sation, and mainly contributed to maintain it in vigorous vitality. (Applause.) In response to loud calls, Mr. T. B. Potter M.P., rose and said :— Mr. Chairman and Gentlemen, I was only too glad 70 COB DEN CLUB. to resign to Mr. Richard my usual privilege of pro¬ posing the health of the Chairman, because I did not desire to detain this meeting any longer. With regard to the Cobden Cub, it is true that I have borne the brunt of the work—(hear, hear) — and I have done it through good and bad report; but I venture to say that the success of this meeting is an ample reward to me for the efforts I have made. It is no small source of satisfaction to me to see M. Chevalier in the chair, for it has fallen to my lot to know something of the circumstances of former days. I know that it was M. Chevalier who first proposed to Mr. Cobden, in the summer of 1859, to g° to France, and it was M. Chevalier who paved the way for his access to the late Emperor. Mr. Cobden took advantage of his good offices, at a time when there was a serious risk of misunderstanding between the two countries, which might have led to war, owing to military prejudices. Mr. Cobden went to France as the apostle of peace, and his efforts were crowned with complete success. Most cordially I thank those who have remained to drink my health ; and what I would ask you to do is to induce your friends to join the Cobden Club, and so inciease its efficiency. This Club now consists of about five hundred paying members, which number I should like to see largely increased, as there is ample opportunity for enlarged usefulness, if our funds would permit. The Club is now acknowledged as a DINNER, 1875. 71 power in Europe and America, as well as in the Colonies. If I had time, I should say that we have friends in America who give us far more sanguine, reports than we have heard from our visitors to-night, on the prospects of Free Trade in that great country. In thanking you again for the honour that you have done me, I ask each and all of you to exert your best efforts in support of the Cobden Club, for I can assure you that we have encountered very great difficulties—now, I am happy to say, to a considerable extent surmounted. (Cheers.) The company then separated. Guests present at the Dinner. Mr. Nathan Appleton (Boston, U.S.A.), Mr. J. F. E. Barrett-Lennard, Sir George Bowen (Governor of Victoria, Australia), M. Emile Boutmy (Paris), Mr. L. Constantine Burke (Jamaica), Mr. Alfred Bonham Carter, Mr. E. Dicey, Mr. Gower Evans (Australia), Captain Gossett (Sergeant-at-Arms), Mr. W. F. Guise, Sir F. Hincks (Canada), Mr. Luke S. Leake (Australia), General Irvin M'Dowell (U.S.A.), Mr. J. Nield Robinson, Mr. Lionel G. Robinson, Mr. J. F. Wilson. The following Statistics show the relative positions and agg Name of Colony. Victoria . New South Wales . South Australia Queensland ... . Tasmania. Western Australia . Revenue of 1873 raised by Taxation. 790,492 560,275 198,257 146,690 104,217 25,761 * I 3,943,691 I 3-3 2 4.7i3 | 937,648 I 1,120,034 j 293.753 i z 34> 832 | .777.S22/ .382,752/ 362,246 588,416 I - I 7f 80,614 Total for Australian Colonies . . 1,825,692 Total for Australasian Colonies j 2,136,129 9.754. 6 7i j 4.402,722 June 30, 1874. Population, 4 Sfj: 1,420,2161 1,224,159 3 18 idj 1,174,887 5,626,881 2 12 1 Victoria . New South Wales . South Australia Queensland ... Tasmania. Western Australia Total for Australian Colonies New Zealand || . Total for Australasian Colonies Total Value of Trade, Imports and Exports. £ 31,836,310 22,904,217 8,417,689 6,424.239 2,000,723 562,545 72,145^723 June 30, ' 1874. 12,762,862 Value of Trade per Head of the Population. 5 15 10 1 3 zz i [ 16 84 40 8 2§ 39 15 Miles of Railways Railway Course ij Open, Construe Dec. 31, j tion, ! 1873. Dec. 31, 1873. 1,364 i.s°si * From the items under this head, railway, telegraph, and postal receipt the head of taxation have been excluded. t Includes ^616,905 imports via and across the River Murray duri J Includes 4 2 427,956 exports xuia and across the River Murray duri b, § For 1872, information for 1873 not being ready. f JJY 1 * re | ard t0 New Zealand, the figures inserted in his return * ist July, 1874, and the published Agricultural Statistics of the Coloi ^importance of the Australian Colonies at the close of 1873 : - 2,445,722 0,842,415 2,174,900 4,786,850 [,477,600 3S.000 ,762,487 une 30, 1874. -2,509,546 15 14 iof 16,533,856 11,088,388+ 3,829,830 2,881,726 1,107,167 297,328 per Head of the Population. £ s. d. 20 18 3| 19 is 10 19 6 4 19 1 Si 35,738,295 | 19 11 6 June 30, 1874. 7,241,062 Value of Exports 15-302)454 11,815,829+ 4>587.859 3 . 542,513 893.556 265,217 36,407,428 June 30, 1874. 5,521,800 8 11 5? 10 S io 4 diles of elegraph Open, )ec. 31, 1873. Miles of Telegraph in course struction, 1873 3 ’ No. of Cultivation in 1873. Number of Horses in 1873. Number of Cattle in 1873. Number of Sheep in 1873. Number of Pigs in 1873. 3.870 6.521 3.807 3.059 291 900 210 912^ 65 33° 964.996 456.825 1,225,073 324.105 51.724 180,342 328,014 87,455 92,798 § 883,763 2.710.374 174.381 I,2CO,992§ 106,308 47,640 11,323,080 19,928,590 5,617,419 6,687,907§ 1,490,738 748,536 160,336 238,342 87.336 35>73 2 § 59,628 20,948 18,448 663 3,085,214 737.511 5.123.458 45.796.270 602,322 1872. ] Slumber in February, 1871, - - 1,226,222 81,028. 436.592 9,700,629 I 151,460 1 - - 4.311.436 8 i 8,S39 5,560,050 55,496,899 753,782 well as land sales, rents, and all similar receipts not strictly coming under % as no returns could be obtained for 1873. 12., as no returns could be obtained for 1873, n taken from the tables attached to Mr. Vogel's Financia Statement CORRESPONDENCE ON THE PROSPECTS OF FREE TRADE. ON THE PROSPECTS OF FREE TRADE IN AUSTRIA AND GERMANY. From Herr Max Wirth, Vienna , late Director of Statistics at Berne. So great a part of the economical progress made not only in England, but also in the other nations of Europe, has been brought about by the influence of the noble man in honour of whose memory the Cobden Club assembles, that I feel highly gratified in doing what you ask of me, and drawing, in a few touches, the present position of Free Trade in Central Europe. All questions, either religious or political, either scientific or economical, bear more or less an international character, science being in itself of a cosmopolitan nature, for the reason that culture is nourished by the great thoughts of all nations, and that, with regard to civilisation, there is po “God’s chosen people.” This international character becomes more apparent than ever in the question of Free Trade, which in itself must be international. Switzerland was the first country which introduced, I will not say Free Trade, but so low a tariff of customs that they scarcely deserve the name of finance customs. Again, the ideas of CORRESPONDENCE. 75 Free Trade began to find their way into German Universities ever since the beginning of the century, by means of Adam Smith’s precepts. Although they were put into practice in the Prussian States by statesmen like Schon, &c., yet Free Trade did not obtain life and action until after Richard Cobden’s great work was crowned by the abolition of the Corn Laws. The establishment of the German Zollverein was an event of European importance, yet its principal aim was a political one, as the re-establishment of the German Empire, includ¬ ing all but Austria, has subsequently shown. Austria found out too late that it was wrong in remaining apart from these aims, and thus isolating herself. On the question of Cus¬ tom-tariffs the Zollverein was still, in its majority, inclined towards Protectionism. The duty on imports from Switzer¬ land had been raised by the Zollverein, so that Switzerland’s young industry was brought into a very dangerous position, from which it was saved by beginning commerce with countries across the ocean. For this reason the beginning of Switzerland’s commerce on international markets dates from this time. At the time when List expounded his system of national work, and thereby gave Protectionism a scientific raison d'etre , by showing the necessity of educating domestic work- power, there were not the elements of a Free Trade party in Germany, and still less in Austria, to oppose him. In Austria manufacturing industry possessed influential leaders, because even high aristocracy by birth did not disdain to undertake industrial establishments on its own account. A Free Trade party, however, formed itself, after the abolition of the Corn Laws in England, and after the change in the universal opinion which began about the year 1848. It was at first represented by the “ Frei-handels Verein,” founded at Hamburg, which numbered amongst its members men of importance from the west of Germany. The influence of these men was confined to the press; and although politicians refused to take any notice of Free Trade for ten years longer, still the former found means of gaining a large 76 COB DEN CLOP. majority of German newspapers for the good cause. When a change came over public life, by the accession of the Prince of Prussia, the present Emperor of Germany, in the year 1858, and congresses and societies were formed in whose meetings the ideas of Free Trade were freely discussed, the ground was well prepared, and a firm trust in the final result of their aims was obtained by Free Traders, when they observed the imposing activity of the English Free Trade League. All this did not fail to stimulate Govern¬ ment leaders, and to give them so favourable an opinion of Free Trade, that when the time for action had come they refused to listen to the protestations of Protectionists. This was at the time of the international Treaties of Commerce, the favourable realisation of which is, in a great part, owing to Richard Cobden. Although the Treaties of Commerce are based on a compromise of both economical parties, of which the most influential obtained some advantages over the other—thus, for instance, France and Austria granted greater advantages to Protectionism, whilst England, Germany, Italy, and Switzerland favoured Free Trade—yet public opinion was quite contented with this piece of pro¬ gress, so that it occupied itself with other questions of more immediate importance, especially with the position of the working classes. Through the initiative of Governments and Parliaments, in which Free. Trade, which is beginning to gain ground even in Austria, had its representatives, further progress was made. In Austria an additional convention, dated 1869, was made in connection with the Treaty of Commerce with England of 1865, and in Germany the duty on pig-iron was entirely done away with on the 1st October, 1863, whilst it was determined to abolish the duty on import of cast-iron fiom the year 1876.. The latter measures of great importance were easily passed in the German Reichstag, when compared with the difficulties encountered by Free Trade in former times on both sides of the British Channel, the time being very favourable to them. After the war between France an Geimany, all the rolling stock of the railways was in se CORRESPONDENCE. 77 defective and neglected a state as to render the conveyance of goods difficult for many months after the peace was con¬ cluded. But when, at the end of the war, a million of strong men returned to their work and exchanged the sword for tools and machines,—when iron-works' and factories had all hands full of work with the repair of the rolling stock of railways,—when both in Austria and Germany numerous new railways were undertaken, — when new factories were estab¬ lished and old ones provided with new machinery,—when Germany's ironclad men-of-war began to be built—then all at once the demand for iron reached dimensions never seen before. Of course the price of iron in the country itself rose in the same proportion, and as iron-works and furnaces had in consequence plenty to do, at a price they had never be¬ fore obtained, they could not well oppose the abolition of duty on iron. The progress then made by industry both in Austria and Germany turned into over-speculation, which must needs end with a crisis. Over-speculation was then prin¬ cipally produced by the payment of the French milliards, and the hopes which men of business founded on them. It is in part owing also to the German Currency Reform, and the mistake committed by the German Government, viz., issuing new gold crowns side by side with the old silver currency, by which means the circulation of metal had been increased by 750 millions of marks within the years 1872-74, ac¬ cording to the confession of the President of the “ Reichs- Rauzleramt” himself. The latter measure helped to raise the expectations awakened by the war-contribution as to the capital ready for new undertakings. By the re-payment of a great many of the German States’ debts, a large amount of private capital was set free, and ready for new investment, by which means over-speculation spread to Austria, and reached dimensions never before attained except with the bubbles of the South Sea Company at the beginning of last century. With the destructive outbreak of the crisis, which, although it began at the Bourse, soon reached every branch of in¬ dustry in Austria as well as in Germany, Protectionism re- 78 CODDEN CLUB. appeared, and offered to heal the wounds received by in¬ dustry in the crisis. To effect this, Protectionism proposed giving up the Treaties of Commerce, all of which cease with the year 1876, and raising the duty on imports. The wool manufacturers of Briinn were the first to utter an opinion of this kind, because they found themselves at a disadvantage, occasioned by the additional Treaty of 1869. Next came the owners of iron-works ; and both branches of industry succeeded in obtaining the attention of the Government and the Reichsrath, so that their position was made the object of an official enquete. In the spring of 1875 Protectionism succeeded in obtaining a triumph over Free Traders in the Austrian Congress of Economists, but merely by a local majority of voices, declaring itself altogether against the renewal of the Treaties of Commerce, and for autonomy in the tariff, which is in future to be raised. At the same time the Protectionist party gave signs of life in different parts of Germany, especially in the Prussian Landtag and in the Bavarian Reichsrath. Now instead of naming the real cause of the bad condition of industry, quite an unexpected reason was given for it. Had Protectionists mentioned the true cause of the crisis, they would have been reminded, both by the Government and the Representative Power, that not Germany and Austria alone suffer from the crisis, but all Europe, North and South America, a part of Africa and Asia not alone some special branches of industry, but the whole of the small trade of commerce and of agriculture. They would have been reminded that every branch of in- dustiy in the nation has the same claims to the protection of the Government. It is for this reason that Protectionists both in Austria and Germany, to arrive at their purpose, use the pretext of care for the commonwealth. The balance of commerce must be upheld, and the depression of industry is exclusively ascribed to the circumstance that in Germany import has in the latter years, especially in 1872 and 1873, exceeded export by a great deal. In Austria alone, in the years 1S70 to 1874, it amounted to 600 millions of gulden, m a Bill presented to the Bavarian Reichsrath in the be- CORRESPONDENCE. 79 ginning of April a demand was made according to which the Treaties of Commerce are to cease, and duty on import, especially on cotton, is to be raised, solely because in the year 1872 325 million thalers’ worth more goods were im¬ ported than exported. In 1873 import exceeded export by 589 millions of thalers. On the question of duty on iron, Protectionists demanded nothing besides suspension of the projected measure of abolishing duty on cast-iron. The preamble of the above-mentioned Bill did not name a single of the reasons on which the disproportion in the commercial balance of Germany and Austria depended. On it was founded the conclusion that both industry and the country itself are approaching their financial fall, from which they could be saved by nothing except a return to a pure system of Protectionism. The leaders of the party of Free Traders did not fail to refute these suppositions by explanations, which may perhaps be of interest to you. The first fact to which attention was called is the truth discovered in England—viz., that the amount of export is always less exactly registered than the amount of import, because, with the former, duty is but rarely levied. Secondly. We have no official authority to confirm the correctness of the value given for import into Germany, as goods imported pay duty not by their value, but by their weight. The amount of value given is drawn from a valua¬ tion made since 1872 by the Imperial Statistical Office. Thirdly. It has been said that in normal times the value of import must always exceed the value of export, because for import a higher sum for conveyance, insurance, and in¬ terest on capital must be brought into account. Protec¬ tionists were reminded of the normal course of British commerce, with which, for a great many years, import has outweighed export. Fourthly. It was clearly shown that in this special case the disproportion in the balance was to be ascribed to two reasons, so clear that they cannot possibly be refuted. These reasons are of so extraordinary a nature that they can never, or at least very seldom, recur, and cannot therefore be taken So COB DEN CLUB . as the basis of a change in the legislation and in Custom- tariffs. One of these reasons is over-speculation before the outbreak of the crisis. In the latter part of the year 1871 the import of raw materials for the use of industry, especially of iron, began to increase both in Germany and Austria in quite an abnormal manner, owing to the enormous amount of new manufactures and railways undertaken. The capital consumed in the establishment of new companies and societies amounts to about 300-400 millions pounds sterling. I cannot give further details on the subject in these pages, but I recommend all who wish for further information to read my “History of Commercial Crises ” (“ Geschichte der Han- delskrisen,” second edition, Sauerlander in Frankfort °/m.), and, furthermore, a book which is shortly to appear in Vienna, editor G. T. Manz, and which will be called “ Wiedergeburt Osterreichs aus den Nachwehen der Kri- sis.’’ In these works I have clearly shown how every crisis has been accompanied by an enormous increase of import, that import always grows in proportion to over-speculation, and that this was the case with the crisis of 1857, and much more so with the crisis of 1873. Fifthly. The reason which would by itself suffice to explain the disproportion of import both into Germany and Austria, is the importation of foreign capital into Austria, as well as Germany. It would be superfluous to explain to a learned assembly like the one I am addressing, that the exchange of capital from one country to the other is mostly effectuated in goods. For the same reason the payment of the French war-contribution was almost entirely effectuated in bills, which for the greater part represent goods. The mere fact that of the bills written for the war-contribution, 2,485 mil¬ lions of francs were to be paid in thalers, 235 were to be paid in gulden, and 265 in mark banco, which were, therefore, all due in Germany; this fact alone proves that the bills re¬ presented goods. The excess of import over export in the years 1872 and 1873 is therefore explained by the payment of the French milliards, which took place within those two years. Another proof of this fact is that the import of the CORRESPONDENCE. 8] year 1874, the valuation of which has not yet been published, has decreased by a great deal, so that the Exchequer levied 18 million marks less in duty. In a similar manner the over-balance of goods imported into Austria, which within the last five years amounts to 600 million gulden, is explained. Within these five years rail¬ ways have been built to the extent of over 5,000 English miles. Of course, inland capital alone did not build these railways. The excess may therefore be put down to the investment of German and English capital in Austrian railways. You see by these arguments, which have never yet been refuted, how weak is the basis on which the Protectionists found their demands. We very much doubt whether these demands will in any way be regarded by the Governments and Parliaments of Austria and Germany. We may found this supposition on the manner in which the Minister of Finances, Camphausen, treated the insinuations of the Pro¬ tectionists advanced in the Prussian Landtag. He admitted that the depression of industry, in consequence of the crisis, renders the further reduction of the duty-tariff impossible. He, however, declared that legislation cannot make a step backwards out of regard for a passing misfortune. The German Government will doubtless renew the old Commer¬ cial Treaties on the footing on which they stand at present, and the Reichstag will not refuse its approbation, if only for this reason—that it requires all its forces on another side. As to the Austro-Hungarian Monarchy, the Austrian Government has presented a project for a new Custom- tariff to the Austrian Chambers of Commerce, and these have, with scarcely an exception, pronounced themselves for raising the duty on import, especially with regard to cotton, wool, and iron. Now, although a number of other branches of industry have come into existence and get on well without Protection, which would greatly suffer from an in¬ crease of duty on the import of the materials required by them, and although almost the whole of the Austrian Cabinet ip in favour of Free Trade, yet the demands of the Pro- F 82 COBDEN CLLB. tectionists might, on account of the general depression of industry, be taken into consideration, had not the Govern¬ ment of Hungary expressed a very decided opinion on the subject. It is a well-known fact that after the Treaty of 1867, which turned Austria and Hungary by treaty into one Custom territory, no new arrangement with foreign countries may be made without the approval of both halves of the Monarchy. By a mere chance, the renewal of the Treaty of Customs and Commerce between Hungary and Austria and that with foreign countries will have to be made about the same time. Consultations on the first have already begun at Vienna. Hungary is not quite firm in its prin¬ ciples of Free Trade; for when, last autumn, Austria demanded a continuation of the momentary abolition of duty on the import of corn, which had been made because the harvest of 1873 had brought such bad results with it, it was Hungary which would hear nothing of the kind, on account of the competition with Roumania. The commercial policy of Hungary has, however, undergone a change since that time. . The working power of the Board of Trade is an economist of reputation, the Under-Secretary of State, who did not fail to recognise that Hungary, an essentially agricultural land, must ultimately profit most by favouring Free Trade. The Hungarian Government has already re¬ turned from the above-mentioned policy in regard to corn, and furnished a deputy to the consultations on the renewal of the Treaty, with instructions quite in complian'ce with Free Trade. The Austrian Ministry is far too well informed to' comply with the special interests of single branches of industry at the expense of the common weal. It will notice", the demands of such branches of industry as are in imme¬ diate danger of extinction ; it will be regardful of cases where a large amount of capital might be lost or numerous work-people be ruined. . As Hungary has always known now to defend its political interests better than the sister nations of the Monarchy, it is most probable that the reaties of Commerce will be renewed on very much the same footing ,on which they stand at present, with perhaps a, CORRESPONDENCE. 83 few exceptions. Free Traders should by no means be in¬ active • they must not allow their fire to extinguish, or even to flag, for they have found out, from this last attack of Protectionism, that Protectionists have certainly learned one thing from them, and from our immortal friend, Richard Cobden—energetic and persevering defence of their own interests. They cannot, however, rob us of our principles! Max Wirth. From Herr George von Bunsen, of Berlin. Villa Lepel, Heringsdorf (on the Baltic), 12 th July, 1875 . Gentlemen,— You did me the honour some days ago to ask my opinion as regards the prospects of Free Trade in Germany at the present time, and though I can have no pretension to say anything either new or important, yet I know that in cheerfully obeying your command I do that for myself which is next best to enjoying the company of so many distinguished men as are wont to assemble at your Feast of Nations. My answer can be brief. There is little hope, perhaps, of present speedy advance , but, on the other hand, still less ground is there for apprehending serious or lasting retrogres¬ sion ,, now or hereafter, on the path of Free Trade. On the first proposition let me say nothing. We know that Free Trade is the child of hope and the mother of good¬ will. Then we must be satisfied with her holding her ground in a period of history marked by languid pessimism and by a reaction, even among eminent statesmen, to practices of national isolation ! But I foresee no retreat from the position attained. It is true that, in Germany too, plaintive voices have made them¬ selves heard in Parliament and in the press or among manufacturers. When they speak much—and certainly not too much—of the astounding advance of French manufac¬ ture, do they attribute it to its real cause, viz., a fixed, 84 COBDEN CLLB. -patriotic determination to work very hard, to work very well, and to work for fair wages peaceably? No! Protection, forsooth, must have done it—the new laws of 1871 and 1872 were the panacea—and nothing but M. Thiers’ re¬ action against those very principles, which the Anglo-French Treaty of Richard Cobden has formed into a leaven of the civilised world, could have saved France ! The same error of judgment induces the same people to ascribe the present discouraging appearance of trade in Germany to our return to those more advanced economic rules which Prussia, to her honour be it remembered, was the first to inaugurate so early as 1818. Besides these querulous voices one attempt, and one only, I think, has been made to influence legislation by embodying the same crude notions in a petition to the Central Government, signed by certain manufacturers, and praying that the legal term for the abolition of the last remnants of duty upon iron (law of 7th July, 1873) might be put off from January 1st, 1877, to a later period. This petition, sht in motion at Bremen, fell ignominiously to the grdund. It was met by a counter-petition from Remscheid, of representative manufacturers in the same trade and of the self-same district, protesting against Protection, and pointing to more work , better work, and cheaper work as true and lasting remedies for the present stagnation of trade and commerce. I am proud to say that, with such few exceptions, public opinion, as represented in the press of this country, in the Economic Congress, in the meetings of the Handelstag, and, more authoritatively still, in the German Parliament, and by our leading statesmen, has been unanimous in the right direction. It will be sufficient to epitomise a remark¬ able. speech by Herr Camphausen (Prussian Finance Minister, Vice-President of the Prussian Caoine f , and a member of the German Bundesrath, or States’ Council) on this very question. “We believe,” he said, in answer to a Protectionist complaint, “ that the worst is over, and that better days-are coming, W$ have unbounded faith in that CORRESPONDENCE. 85 policy, leading, as it does, circumspectly but safely to Free Trade, which my friend and colleague, Herr Delbriick, and I, as his humble companion, have been enabled to pursue. And so strong is our conviction of its excellence that, if Germany should resolve upon a change in her economic policy, this change would certainly be preceded or accom¬ panied by a change of Cabinet.” Loud cheers from all benches followed this declaration. As for the Chancellor of the German Empire, you are aware, Gentlemen, that with him the love of Free Trade is not an acquired taste , for the landed gentry of Prussia are essentially Free Traders. This hereditary predilection has, however, grown into a broad principle in his mind. It has been observed that the advisers on economic matters whom Prince Bismarck has drawn round his person have acquired that public estimation which gave them a claim to the places they' occupy by years of disinterested advocacy of those principles for which the Cobden Club labours to obtain universal acceptance. I am not sure whether Free Trade ever had seasons of more critical import to pass through. Were it not for the genius of Cavour still ruling the destinies of Italy —if we could not trust Hungarian interests to outweigh an ignorant cry for Protection in parts of Austria —and if Germany was vacillating, which she is not—where would be the prospects of Free Trade on the Continent of Europe ? Will you pardon me, however, if, at the close of this far too lengthy epistle, I try to explain why, at its beginning, I qualified my statement by saying that I could apprehend no serious or lasting retrogression ? Notice should, I believe, be taken of two complaints of the landed gentry of Prussia, to whom I have just referred as being natural allies of the Cobden Club. They have a grievance of old standing against English legislation, and a new one ; both are affect¬ ing their purses seriously ; a cry for reprisals is beginning to be listened to more readily by them every year, and I am bound to confess that a temporary backsliding on the road of Free Trade in the German Parliament by a combination 86 COBDEN CLUB. of this and some manufacturing interests may be the result. Of course I am speaking of the manner in which English revenue is raised on spirits , and of certain measures caused by the advent of rinderpest. It has been said, and said with truth, that the conclusions which led to the preser¬ vation of the former and to the introduction of the latter had nothing whatsoever to do with Protection; and I am unable to judge whether or not protection of the English distiller in the one case and of the English cattle-breeder in the other is indeed the effect of those measures. If, how¬ ever, they should, on renewed examination, be found to have that effect, who would doubt the efficacy of that wise and sound principle which the late Mr. Cobden rendered dominant in the councils of Great Britain, to wipe out from her statute-book , obnoxious excrescences which weaken the hands of well-wishers and Free Traders abroad ? among the humblest and staunchest of whom be pleased, Gentlemen, to number Your obedient servant, George von Bunsen. The Committee of the Cobden Club , London. From the Vicomte de FiGANikRE, Portuguese Envoy, St. Petersburg. St. Petersburg, July 17 th, 1875. Dear Sir, —I may state, in a general way, as far as concerns the Portuguese Government, that their commercial policy is liberal, but necessarily based on reciprocity, secured by treaty. In return for advantages granted—principally to our chief staple, wine—they have admitted, and are still willing to admit foreign produce at reduced rates of duty. Ireaties on this basis have been made of late with several Continental Powers; the last of all being with Holland, in the beginning of the present year. If the Portuguese Government have not adopted a more general and indepen¬ dent policy of Free Trade, it is owing to the failure of our CORRESPONDENCE. S7 negotiations with the British Government (re-opened July 7th, 1869, and practically closed by Lord Clarendon’s final reply, April 18th, 1870). Portugal was then ready to make far greater reductions than any made since by treaty , if England had accepted our proposal to raise the alcoholic test from 26° to 36° for the shilling duty on wine, with an additional sum of threepence per degree from 36° to 42 0 (a proposal which had been submitted by the Board of Trade in 1866, and finally adopted by the Portuguese Government, who, at first, had maintained that the shilling duty should be applied as far as the 40th degree of proof spirit). And, moreover, the manner of mutually carrying out our respective engagements was left to the option of the British Government— i.e., either by treaty or for each Power (England and Portugal) to make those changes by tariff or general laws. The English Government finally declined, and Portugal was thus pre¬ cluded from adopting a more thoroughly admitted Free Trade policy, which she certainly cannot consent to do as long as her chief customer, Great Britain, virtually maintains a differential duty of 150 per cent, against her wines. I am very far from considering the question between Portugal and England as finally closed; but I do think that it will be settled only when British merchants and manufacturers have found that it is their interest it should be so. Portugal will always be found ready to go a good way to meet their wishes, as soon as the interests of her chief staple have been fairly dealt by on the part of her principal customer. To I am, dear sir, very faithfully yours, FlGANlkRE, A Member of the Cobdcn Club, George C. Warr, Esq., Secretary of the Cobden Club. From James Montgomery Stuart, Esq. ON THE PROSPECTS OF FREE TRADE IN ITALY. Rome, July 2.0th. Gentlemen, —In compliance with the request which the Cobden Club has done me the honour of addressing to me, I propose in the present letter to give a sketch of the present movement amongst Italian politicians and economists with reference to Free Trade and Protectionist views, and the partial recognition of the second by some very influential Italian statesmen. One has been so long accustomed to regard Italy as the classic land of Free Trade, that it is at first somewhat diffi¬ cult to realise the fact of any strong Protectionist movement in that country. It should, however, be recollected that the only Italian state in which Free Trade doctrines were not only generally accepted in theory, but embodied in legis¬ lative action, was Tuscany; not indeed that there were wanting advocates of liberal views in the other provinces, and even royal decrees of a much earlier date than those of Peter Leopold, attesting the recognition of the principles of commercial liberty in the councils of other absolute princes. Still, during the whole course of Mr. Cobden’s memorable Italian tour of 1847, his great legislative victory was every¬ where hailed in the Peninsula as one in which Italian economists might feel a legitimate pride, because, in fact, a victory due to the triumph of truths which they had long and strenuously upheld. Foremost amongst the admirers of r " ?°j den Wa . s Count Cavour, who, in a masterly essay, sketched out in grand broad outlines the beneficent results which the revolution in the commercial policy ot England[ must sooner or later produce in all civilised lands The great prestige of Mr. Cobden’s name reng lened the hands of all liberal economists through¬ out Italy; tariffs were modified in a liberal sense; CORRESPONDENCE. 89 and such foice did the movement acquire that, in the re¬ forming period of the new pontificate, Monsignor Corboli, charged with negotiating a Customs’ union between the Papal States, Sardinia, and Tuscany, had precise instructions from Pius IX. to carry ou.t this work in the most liberal spirit. So much indeed had the present Pontiff this at heart, that the proposed participation in the negotiations of the distinguished economist, Antonio Scialoia, then residing at Turin, was, I have been assured, owing to the personal initiative of the Pontiff, who was desirous that one so well known for his Free Trade principles should be in direct relation with the diplomatic agents of the three Govern¬ ments. The political reaction of 1849 brought, everywhere except in Sardinia, an economic reaction in its train. In Sardinia, during that period, Count Cavour, first as Minister of Agriculture and Commerce, and afterwards as head of the Cabinet, succeeded in embodying in the commercial legisla¬ tion of the subalpine kingdom those principles of commercial liberty no longer regarded with favour in the rest of Italy. Even in Tuscany the strongest diplomatic pressure was put on the native statesmen who sought to maintain their economic traditions; and it is almost certain that but for the moral support they received from England, these states¬ men would have found themselves obliged to give way. No wonder, then, if the successive annexations to Sar¬ dinia of the other Italian states, and the immediate exten¬ sion to these states of the commercial legislation sanctioned in the North, were regarded as the definitive victory in Italy of Free Trade over Protectionism. Ancient historical tra¬ ditions and recent political experience combined—at all events appeared to combine—in making a policy of com¬ mercial freedom a prominent element in the national pro¬ gramme. How comes it, then, one is naturally tempted to inquire, that only fourteen years after the death of Count Cavour the possibility of a Protectionist reaction with any chance of success should be so much as dreamt of? I believe that the explanation must be sought in various and 9° COB DEN CLUB. quite different causes. In the first place, the prodigious personal energy and the astonishing political successes of Count Cavour enabled him to do things in the Sardinian Parliament and Administration which none of his successors have been able to achieve. Even in the short period that elapsed between the annexation of the kingdom of the Two Sicilies and his death it was evident that in the bureaucratic spheres at Naples he would have to encounter a strong Protectionist opposition. The winter of i860-61 was one marked by the high price of provisions in Naples, and Count Cavour was made the object of unceasing remon¬ strances and complaints from the great southern capital, all ascribing to his Free Trade policy the scarcity prevalent at the time. The violence of that opposition was not even known until after Count Cavour’s decease, when questions unexpectedly presented themselves respecting the regularity, and indeed the legality, of certain administrative measures taken at the time. But all this was not a very favourable omen for the general acceptance of Free Trade principles in Southern Italy, and for the contingent of moral force which the deputies from those provinces were likely to bring to a Government of enlarged commercial views. Meanwhile Protectionism but too naturally and too easily found its adheretns in the various manufacturers of Northern Italy, who at each stage of their progress have been appealing more loudly and more urgently to each successive Italian Cabinet for protection against foreign competition. They have been favoured by the course of political events. The excitement consequent on the transfer of the capital in 1864, r° m ^ ur * n to Florence, at once threw the Government into the hands of a strongly Piedmontese Cabinet, presided over by a statesman who represented in Parliament Biella, one of the chief citadels of Piedmontese Protectionism. The annexation of the Venetian provinces in 1866 had amongst other results that of swelling the Italian Parliament with a group of theoretical politicians who had already in their writings committed themselves to Protectionist doctrines, an w ose controversial energy in that line most certainly CORRESPONDENCE. 91 did not contribute to diminish the aspirations of the Venetian producers and manufacturers for a Protective policy of the same kind as that already demanded by their Piedmontese brethren. All these demands in a Protectionist sense will be found embodied in the reports of the Govern¬ ment Commission on the state of Italian trade and com¬ merce which, in the early part ,of last year, visited the principal Italian cities, received in each city the evidence of the leading merchants and manufacturers, and has published its reports and evidence in two large volumes, one devoted to the oral, another to the written communications, with a most formidable appendix of other volumes containing more special details. What I have already stated may in itself suffice to throw some light on the actual conditions of Italian Protectionism. But there are two other causes, one of a general, the other of a quite personal character, which must likewise be taken into account, and without which most incorrect and incomplete views would be formed. In the first place, there is no use disguising the fact that the true soil, the really favouring influences, in which Italian Protectionism grows up and flourishes—that this soil and these influences are to be found in the system extending over the whole country, of the municipal octroi duties. By means of that octroi system there is raised every year a sum amounting, according to the last calculations I have seen, to about a hundred and thirty millions of francs, of which sixty millions, in virtue of special agreements, are paid in to the public national treasury, and the other seventy millions to the separate municipal treasuries. With the exception of the sixty millions which the Government derives from the lottery offices—with that single and most scandalous excep¬ tion—the sum obtained from these octroi duties is the one got in with the greatest loss to the national wealth and the greatest check to the national enterprise. Every close commune in Italy—by close commune I mean one entitled ' to fence itself round with an octroi barrier—becomes ipso facto a citadel of Protectionism. Its leading municipal and provincial councillors, who are generally landed pro- 92 COD DEN CLUB. prietors in the immediate neighbourhood, have an interest that the system be worked for their individual advantage, and to the exclusion of a more distant competition. One might fill a volume with the calamitous results for the national production. In the first place, there is created an immense disproportion between the price of provisions in close and open communes, and between the town and the country. The causes creating this disproportion, whilst acting first and immediately on home, do not the less act with crushing effect on foreign trade. Take for example the product in which, from its geographical position and its territorial con¬ formation, Italy seems, as it were, destined by Providence to be one of the world’s great exporters, quite as much so as France, or Germany, or Spain—I mean, of course, wine. By the octroi system almost every motive, so far as the home market is concerned, is taken away from the landed proprietor, and much more from the common peasant cultivator, to improve his wines. The law gives to the municipal councils the power of establishing a tariff with a minimum and a maximum duty. The minimum duty is constantly imposed for such articles as vegetables, which, most easily supplied from the immediate neighbourhood, are furnished by the local proprietors; whilst the maximum is just as regularly imposed on the wines which may enter into competition with those grown by the same proprietors. The distant wine grower has, therefore, to encounter the double obstacle of the cost of carriage and the maximum duty, the clearest instance is seen in the capital itself, in Rome, here the additional population of some fifty thousand brought by the change in the seat of Government would naturaliy prefer to drink the much better Chianti or Barolo wines, to which they had been accustomed in Florence and Turin. I he Municipal Council of Rome lost not a moment in im- posing the maximum duty on those wines, so that the public functionaries have the choice of drinking a bad * Oman wine which they detest, their own native wine, or a f rench wine at almost the same high price, or, worse still, an adulteiated wine professing to be Chianti or Barolo, but in CORRESPONDENCE. 93 reality manufactured in Rome itself from a common Roman wine, with perhaps a slight infusion of the Tuscan and Piedmontese or many much less desirable ingredients. And the same cause produces similar effects in a sometimes in¬ credible degree. The Minister of Agriculture and Commerce has frequently published in the Official Gazette the prices on a given day of some forty of the principal articles of food in about a hundred and fifty of the chief communes in the king¬ dom ; and the disproportion in the prices, though in part expli¬ cable from deficient communications, is in a very great degree to be ascribed to the working of the octroi system. But to return to the wine, not only the actual but the possible, the apprehended effects of the system scare the peasant cultivator in many districts from attempting to in¬ crease and improve his vintages. He has enough for him¬ self and his own family; he has a small but sure market amongst the neighbouring peasants; why should he incur the hazards of sending his wine to a town where he must face a certain and, for him, heavy outlay in the payment of the octroi duty, without feeling assured of a corresponding gain ? But all the obstacles to the natural and regular and healthful development of home industry do not proceed from the octroi system. The railway management and the railway tariffs certainly do their best to make these obstacles almost insurmountable. There is not a single city in the centre of Italy—a peninsula washed on one side by the Mediterranean and on the other by the Adriatic Sea—which might not with the existing net of rail¬ ways be well supplied every morning with fish. But they would be bold fishmongers who should contract for regular supplies from Venice and Ancona, or from Leghorn and Naples, with the knowledge that they must not on'ly en¬ counter high octroi duties and railway tariffs, but that, through the never-ending pedantic formalities imposed by the railway companies, hours and hours, nay, sometimes an entire day, may pass over before they are able to remove the consignment, of fish from the railway station. An Italian sun, though favourable to the growth of wine, is not equally 94 COD DEN CLUB. favourable to the conservation of dead fish: no wonder if the speculation presents very decided risks. What is true of fish is equally true of fruit. Whilst the Ligurian, Neapolitan, and Sicilian shores exhibit one long and brilliant succession of lemon and orange groves, the Italians in an inland provincial town must, from the same causes, pay a far higher price for lemons and oranges than is paid in Norwich, or Perth, or Cork. The honest German who descends the Alps into Italy with the echoes of Goethe’s song ringing in his ears—“Knowestthou the land where the lemons flourish, and where the gold oranges glow through their dark leaves? " —has considerable difficulty in recognising that land, in its commercial aspects, the first time he buys a lemon or an orange in his progress. Why, it may be asked, are not more active measures taken to remedy such a state of things? The’ answer, I fear, must be found, not only in the fact that so many local interests are involved, and that in connection with the system a great amount of local patronage has sprung up, but in the peculiar character of the Italian Par¬ liament. There is a want of political men who devote them¬ selves practically and usefully to such special questions. The deputies in general think them below their notice. The fruit and fish trade are matters of primary moment for the whole Italian people, just as are the silk, and oil, and marble, and sulphur, and borax, and other branches too numerous to mention of agricultural, mineral, and animal production. But the deputy who would make these subjects the object of questions and motions in the Chamber would run the risk of being nicknamed Lemon Bruni, or Oyster Bianchi, or Par¬ mesan Cheese Neri, and the mere thought of being obliged to go through the world with such a sobriquet would arrest him at the outset. I would now, however, advert to the last and more special, indeed personal, cause by which the character of the present Protectionist movement in Italy has been deter¬ mined. I have already alluded to the fact that there had sprung up in Northern Italy a school of accomplished writers, whose.views have received their chief colouring CORRESPONDENCE. 95 from the teaching of recent German economists. In their works, as in those of their masters, a much larger share of action is accorded to the State than was granted by the political economists of the school of Adam Smith. From the incontestable necessity of Government action in such matters as factory labour and the education of the humbler classes, these writers very clearly give us to understand that they desire to proceed to a system of Protectionism in commercial policy, and to the revival of that fostering influence, once regarded as all-powerful, by which Govern¬ ments formerly sought to rear native manufactures under natural conditions most unfavourable. Every one, on a moment’s reflection, knows that the true causes why manu¬ facturers in Piedmont or Lombardy could not stand against an English or Belgian competition are the want in Pied¬ mont and Lombardy of coal and iron, and of a population long trained to manufacturing pursuits. The present Italian Protectionists try to keep these facts as much as possible in the background, and to obscure the whole question by vague and cloudy theories on the action of the State. In the migratory commission, of inquiry, held at the commence¬ ment of last year, their views were in various cities for the first time publicly avowed. At the commencement of the present year it was resolved to open, in the same sense, a theoretical campaign. With this view a congress was held at Milan. It was not very successful, but one of the reso¬ lutions come to was to found in as many Italian cities as possible branch clubs or societies, all based on the common ' principle of invoking in commercial and industrial matters a more direct action on the part of Government. Mean¬ while the partisans of Free Trade, or, to speak more precisely and correctly, those who regarded this new move¬ ment as a mere mask to cover Protectionist tendencies, were not idle. Professor Francesco Ferrara, generally regarded as by far the most learned of living Italian economists, led the way in a very powerful article, con¬ tributed to the Nuova Antologia of Florence, in last August. The article was entitled “ Economic Germanism in Italy.” COB DEN CLUB. In this paper the German professorial or academic socialists, and their Italian disciples of the Lombardo-Venetian school —such was the name given to them by Ferrara—were roughly handled. In fact, it was a regular throwing down of the gauntlet to the new party. That gauntlet was taken up in the next number of the same periodical by Luigi Luzzatti, formerly professor at Padua, Secretary-General some few years ago of the Ministry of Agriculture and Commerce, and at present one of the most active members of the Chamber of Deputies. Luzzatti’s acceptance of the chal¬ lenge was in itself a reply to one of the taunts that this new Protectionist party was acephalous ; and Luzzatti, beyond all question, is the animating spirit of this new school of Italian Protectionists : the establishment of the committee of inquiry was mainly his work; the Milan congress was brought together through his efforts ; the two journals of the party which have appeared in succession at Rome and Padua have owed to him their inspiration ; and the leading part which he is now taking in the negotiations for the renewal of the Commercial Treaties with France, Austria, and Switzerland will certainly not be found in contradiction with these antecedents. The Free Traders, on the other hand, have established in Florence a most ably-conducted weekly organ, L'Economista; and one of their earliest proposals, when organising themselves for regular action, was that of an “ Adam Smith Club.” Nothing, indeed, is more remarkable in all this movement than the unceasing war waged around the name and the fame of Adam Smith. The most eloquent passages in Ferrara’s article are those in which he vindicates the glory of the Scottish economist from the sneers of his German and Italian detractors. Not the least significant passage in Luzzatti’s reply is one in which he describes Adam Smith as a creature like Rousseau, of the “age of reason,” which aspired to build “universal” truths on metaphysical premises, arid dealt with man apart from his historical antecedents and social surroundings. There is much truth in the remark of Ferrara, that in all this glorification of the State its admirers overlook CORRESPONDENCE. 97 the very prosaic fact that no such thing as an ideal State exists, and that the actual State is simply the men who for the time being govern it. France is a socialist State when confided to the direction of M. Louis Blanc, becomes an enlightened Free Trading State so far and so long as it reflects the economic views of a Napoleon III., and reverts to a very pristine condition of Protectionism in so far as it is controlled and governed by M. Thiers. Italy was a Free Trading State under Count Cavour. His disciple and successor, the present Premier, Signor Minghetti, loudly protests that he has not abandoned Count Cavour’s com¬ mercial policy. If such be really the case, why has he entrusted the practical direction of the very important nego¬ tiations for the renewal of the Commercial Treaties between Italy and other countries to a politician professing, as openly as circumstances will allow, Protectionist principles ? The plain fact is, that in commercial policy the present Italian Premier wishes at once to keep his cake and to eat his cake— to gratify the wishes and secure the parliamentary support of the Protectionist interest in Northern Italy, and yet not to forfeit the prestige of commercial freedom which the Italian Government has inherited from Count Cavour. Facts, however, in such questions are stronger than all theories, and it must somewhat have startled the partisans of Italian Protectionism to read, ten days ago, in the columns r of the semi-official Opinione, the announcement that Italy must abandon all participation in next year’s Philadelphia Exhibition, because the high Protective tariffs of the United States completely excluded any prospect of Italian industry and commerce deriving benefit from the same. The con¬ fession was not the less instructive because made in the columns of the very journal which a few weeks before had, notoriously under Signor Luzzatti’s inspiration, been break¬ ing out into lofty Protectionist dithyrambics on the future triumphs in store for the native industry of Italy. What the members of the Cobden Club have the right to expect at the hands of the present Italian Cabinet is, that its head, the Prime Minister Minghetti, shall not in prac- G 9 8 COD DEN CLUB. tical statesmanship abandon the principles and forego the hopes to which the patriot writer Minghetti gave frank and fearless utterance at the very moment when Mr. Cobden achieved his victories. Signor Minghetti’s essay on the reform of the English Corn-Laws, and on the immense benefits likely to accrue to Italy from the same, written in 1846, and re-published three years ago by the author, may be profitably recommended to the perusal of the new school of Italian economists. As lovers of their country, they will rejoice that the pros¬ pects of a more extended national commerce, united in Signor Minghetti’s speculations with a possible Italian customs’ league, may now be realised by the energies of a single undivided state. They will feel no less gratification from the fact that the return of Eastern commerce to its ancient European channels has already in part fulfilled the glowing predictions contained in Signor Minghetti’s con¬ cluding sentences. But they may also, it must be hoped, feel some misgivings on the soundness of their Protectionist views, when they read Signor Minghetti’s scathing exposure in a few sentences of the Protectionist fallacies. And if they dwell in the fitting spirit on the eloquent picture presented by the author, of the economic apostleship of Richard Cobden and his fellow-labourers, they will perhaps carry away the impression that a blind antipathy to Cobdenism is not the best preparation for negotiating new commercial treaties, forming as it does a painful contrast to the aspirations and hopes of the patriot statesman who, under Pope Gregory XYI.’s grim and gloomy reign, hailed in Cobdenism a most welcome guarantee of Italian prosperity and progress. I have the honour to be, Gentlemen, Very sincerely yours, James Montgomery Stuart. The PROSPECTS of FREE TRADE in the UNITED STATES. From the Hon. David A. Wells. Norwich, Connecticut , United Stales, July 12, 1875. My dear Sir— Although it has not been possible for me to accept your kind invitation to be present at the annual re-union of the Cobden Club on the 17th, I have the pleasure of being able to report to you a marked progress in the United States during the past year, in the direction of national emancipation from legislative restrictions on the freedom of extra-territorial trade and commercial inter¬ course. To those accustomed to judge of progress by out¬ ward manifestations only, and who are not cognisant of quiet changes taking place beneath the surface, this assertion may not seem warranted ; for the friends of Free Trade have no special agency in the United States, as they had a few years ago, devoted to the work of disseminating economic truths, while “ Free Trade ” and “Protection ” alike have so ceased to be discussed generally by the press, that in the opinion of some both subjects are no longer living issues before the country. But during all this time the people of the United States have been learning more rapidly than ever before in that costly school which nations, alike with individuals, seem to prefer to any other—namely, the school of experience. For fifteen years now the experiment of “Protection to home industry ” has been tried in the United States on the largest scale, and under the most favourable circumstances for success that the world has ever seen; and under its in¬ fluence the domestic industry of the country, to use a slang expression, “ has been getting no better very fast.” Every prophecy so confidently made in the past as to the results of Protection in inducing national prosperity has been falsified; and one has only to pick out the separate industries which have been especially protected to find out the ones which are more especially unprofitable and dependent. Thus, in the manufacture of pig-iron, excessive profits have given rise to such excessive competition as to render the whole business loo COBDEN CLUB. ruinously unprofitable : a condition of affairs from which there can be no recovery, except through a continued suspen¬ sion or curtailment of production, the utter abandonment of many furnaces, and the utter loss of a vast amount of reck¬ lessly invested capital. In the manufacture of silk, the manufacturers, although enjoying for many years the protec¬ tion of a sixty per cent, duty on all manufactured imports, and a free admission of all raw material, are desirous of a still higher duty, and unanimously of the opinion that an abatement of the existing duties to even the slightest degree would be to them altogether ruinous. In the manufacture of wool—an industry in which the representatives of Protection were allowed to dictate without interference the exact measure of Protection which seemed then desirable, and caused the enactment of duties ranging from fifty to one hundred and fifty per cent. — it is sufficient to say that the existing depression and stagnation is without parallel : eight of the principal mills of the country having been sold, on compulsion, within a comparatively recent period, for much less than fifty per cent, of their cost of construction ; the Glendam Mills in particular —one of the largest and best equipped woollen establishments in the United States, ad¬ vantageously located on the Hudson, about fifty miles above . ew York, and representing over one million of dollars paid in—having changed hands since the first of April last, for a consideration of less than two hundred thousand dollars. Possessing also mines of copper of such unexampled rich¬ ness, that their owners are able to export their products to Jiurope and sell the same at a profit in competition with all tne w°rld, the copper manufacturers and copper consumers 0 ie yHjted States have been obliged, through the agency ot the tariff, to pay a higher price in their own market for copper, than that at which the same article, the product of the same mines has been offered to the consumers of other cou^nes. And coming down to the administration of a tariff whose average rate of duty approximates forty per Cnv^f 1S f a , fa ? t n , ot t0 be denied, that if the Federal ovemment, during the last eight years, had carried out the CORRESPONDENCE. IOI intent of its representative officials, it would have arraigned the reputation and impaired the credit of nearly every important mercantile house in the city of New York engaged in foreign commercial transactions. All these things the people of the United States have noticed and thought about; and no teachers have been needed to convey and impress the full meaning of the in¬ volved lesson, so that if to-day the further continuance of the Protective policy on the part of the nation could be sub¬ mitted to a popular vote, I have no question that Protection would go under by a most decisive adverse majority. The following are additional facts confirmatory of the above conclusion, ist. There are now no important news¬ papers in the United States, outside of Pennsylvania, which especially advocate and defend Protection, except such as capitalist manufacturers have organised or bought up for such special purpose, and have caused to be edited under instructions. American journals that exist by their own merit do not walk in the paths of Protection, even if they do not advocate Free Trade. . 2nd. Outside of the State of Pennsylvania, it would be difficult to name one American university, college, or school of high character in the teaching of which Protection is not condemned as an unsound economic system, antagonistic alike to civilisation and material development. Furthermore, in most American institutions of learning a belief in Protection would be re¬ garded as disqualifying a person for teaching political economy, almost to the same extent as would a belief in the communistic views of Prudhomme, or the fiscal theories of John Law. 3rd. Of the two great political parties which divide the country, one—the Democratic, which may fairly be held to represent at least one-half of the population—is nearly unanimous in holding as an essential political prin¬ ciple, “ that taxation should never be imposed for any purpose other than revenue;” while no inconsiderable part of the other great party—the Republican—also makes positive affirmation of a belief in the same doctrine. I think, therefore, I am warranted in asserting that the 102 COB DEN CLUB. time draws near when the people of the United States will demonstrate by legislation that they are fully satisfied of the utter unprofitableness of the doctrine, “that the way to get rich is for everybody to give as mqch as possible for every¬ thing,” and that scarcity and high prices are productive of abundance. I am, yours very cordially, David A. Wells. To Thos. Bayley Potter, Esq., M.P., Honorary Secretary of the Cobden Club. From Horace White, Esq., Editor of the Chicago “ Tribune ,” US.A. London, June 28, 1875. My dear Sir,— Being unable to attend the annual dinner of the Cobden Club on the 17th proximo, I comply with your request that I should give some account of the progress of Free Trade opinion in the United States. The commercial and industrial condition of the United States at the present time is one of severe depression, being part and parcel of the panic of September, 1873. This depression has perhaps been greatest in the iron trade. A large number of furnaces and mills, started under the stimulus of high Protective duties and rapid railway extension have suspended operations and been sold out under the hammer at a fraction of their original cost. Others maintain a precarious existence on a declining market, and m the midst of angry strifes with their workmen. For tlme since the year 1861, when the Morrill tariff was enacted, we have heard no invocation of Congress on the PS ° f , ruiI \ ed ironmasters to bolster them up with r1pnW a Ki UtieS ’ R r d ^ the obvious reason that the present hhrW b rf . C . ondl , tlon bas come upon them at a period of the b onS 1 T S tha f ? e countr y could by any means be brought to bear. And what is true of the iron trade is true CORRESPONDENCE. 103 to a less extent of all the other protected trades. With all their audacity, they have not the assurance to charge their woes to the account of Free Trade. Their calamity has come in the teeth of the most grinding and indefensible tariff that the ingenuity of man could conceive. Instead of calling for more tariff, some of their most prominent leaders are calling for an addition to the volume of depreciated paper currency—a device no less dishonest and disastrous than the Protective system in which they and their customers are floundering. But their appeal will be altogether in vain. The state of facts to which I have alluded, viz., a great commercial crisis in the face and eyes of a high Protective tariff—so contrary to the whole philosophy of Protection— has arrested the attention of large numbers of the honest believers in the system, and thus many ears have been opened to Free Trade arguments that were formerly closed to us. The farmers of the Western States, who are the principal sufferers by the Protective system, have taken more decided steps during the past eighteen months toward the emancipation of trade than I have observed in the previous ten or twelve years. The National Board of Trade, an or¬ ganisation composed of delegates from local commercial bodies, has also been moving gradually but decidedly in the same direction. The State of Massachusetts contains an active and most intelligent body of Free Trade thinkers and workers, whose influence is perceptibly increasing, although the political power of the State is still dominated by the special interests which the tariff was intended to favour. The causes to which I have referred, although to a large extent extraneous and accidental, have been potent in pre¬ paring the public mind to receive the truths of Free Trade ; and I am quite convinced that there has been no time since the Protective system got the upper hand with us when it was so weak and so liable to be overthrown as now. As it required a period of dire distress to overturn the same System in England, so it seems that a period of great stringency and depression is most favourable to Revenue reform with us. There is no special Free Trade agitation in io 4 COBDE.V CLUB. the United States now, but the discussion is more general, more temperate, and more clearly to the advantage of the friends of Free Trade than it has been at times when special efforts were on foot. These are, in brief, my views of the present drift of public opinion in the United States on the subject which you have asked me to write about. I am, Sir, your most obedient Servant, Horace White. T. Bayley Potter, Esq., M.P., Hon. Secretary, Cobden Club. From A. L. Perry, Esq., Professor of Political Economy , Williams College, U.S.A. Williams' College, June 2gth, 1875. My Dear Sir, — I think that I can answer for the United States that the cause of Free Trade is progressing, slowly perhaps, but broadly at any rate. Our educated young men are almost universally Free Traders; and the prejudices of their elders are much less bitter than they formerly were. Our national legislation shows no sign as yet of this im¬ proving public opinion, but it will show signs of it at no distant day. I have been working and watching for more than twenty years, and I know whereof I affirm. The people of the United States are not fools, and, therefore, they cannot continue “ Protectionists.” Yours very faithfully, A. L. Mr. G. C. Warr, Secretary of the Cobden Club. A. L. Perry. From William Lloyd Garrison, Esq., of Boston, U.S.A. Boston, July 1 st, 1875. your official notice of the time CORRESPONDENCE. I °5 intervening ocean will prevent my bodily attendance; but in understanding, heart, and soul I shall certainly be with the Club on the occasion referred to, to join in paying a grateful tribute to the memory of him whose honoured name it bears; to signify my hearty approval of the principles of political economy and international amity it so ably inculcates under his leadership (for, “ though dead, he yet speaketh ”); to. re¬ spond to every noble sentiment in recognition of those ties of common relationships, common rights, common interests, and common needs which should bind the nations of the earth indissolubly together for the common welfare. It is not less pitiable than strange that a Republic claiming to be the most enlightened on earth, and never failing annually to rehearse with special emphasis in the hearing of the world the grand “ self-evident truths ” set forth in its boasted Declaration of Independence, should still be found adhering to a policy of “Protection,” so called, which is as narrow in spirit and as exclusive in aim as it is irrational in theory and injurious in practice. But as, under that Declaration, it required the sad experience of almost ninety years before a vast and hideous system of chattel slavery could be abolished—and then only through Divine retribution—the marvel is not so great that the same people should be clinging to a delusion, in regard to what concerns their best interests, incomparably less demoralising in its tendency and disastrous in its operation. For one, I do not hesitate to avow myself to be a Free Trader to an illimitable extent, without any other restraint or drawback than the ordinary risk of industrial interchange and commercial enterprise, in all those productions which serve to comfort and bless mankind. To innocent and ser¬ viceable exchange, sale or purchase, let no selfish barrier be erected. As freely as waters run or as winds blow, let all peoples present the finest efforts of their skill and industry, the richest specimens of their mineral resources, the best re¬ sults of their agricultural and manufacturing pursuits, in a world’s market, to be bought and distributed ad libitum, ac¬ cording to the needs, tastes, and purchasing means of the COB DEN CLUB. 106 parties interested; interdicting only what in itself is so fraught with evil as to imperil the general safety and welfare. Protection by all justifiable methods against hostile invasion by a foreign enemy; protection against infectious or con¬ tagious diseases by stringently regulated intercourse for the time being; protection against wrongs and outrages per¬ petrated upon the citizens of one country by another; pro¬ tection against whatever is destructive of the rights and liberties of a people—all this is in accordance with the instinct of self-preservation. But protection against the achievements of human skill, invention, labour and enterprise, in the matter of food, clothing, and other material wants, be¬ cause of a geographical separation, and on the plea of ad¬ vancing the home interests, is as preposterous as would be an attempt to'regulate the law of gravitation by legislative enact¬ ment. The welfare of one portion of the globe is not above that of any other; for mankind are one in relationship and destiny, and only those principles should be acted upon in human intercourse which are universal and world-embracing, and which eannot be violated with impunity. Yours for “ Liberty, Equality, Fraternity,” Wm. Lloyd Garrison. G. C. Ware, Esq., Secretary of Cobden Club. THE PROSPECTS OF FREE TRADE IN AUSTRALIA. The Hon. Henry Parkes (late Chief Secretary of State, Sydney, New South Wales) writes ;— The doctrines of Free Trade are making sure way among the Australian populations. In Victoria (which is the nursery of Protection), the policy of artificial aids to in¬ dustry is breaking up, and the very public men who some years ago introduced the “ thin end of the wedge ” by taxes m favour of the local manufactures, are now seeking to obtain political support as Free Traders. I do not think the new Government here will do much CORRESPONDEN CE. 107 to forward the cause, but they certainly will do nothing to throw it back. For the next year or two our fiscal relations will probably remain stationary. But when any change is made, it will be in favour of more complete commercial freedom. Sydney, New South Wales, 13 May, 1875. Dear Mr. Potter, —Presuming upon the enclosed intro¬ duction from Mr. Parkes, I beg your acceptance of some Free Trade Essays, which I am about to publish in Australia. I propose to send a few additional copies to the Cobden Club, through Messrs. Gordon and Gotch. If there is anything in the Essays which seems likely to be useful to the Club, I place it completely at your disposal. During a recent visit to Melbourne, I found the symptoms of a reaction towards Free Trade doctrines amongst the more intelligent electors. Of course the mass of the working classes forms the bulwark of the Protective laws of Victoria ; and it is against that, as you will observe, that I have directed the chief effort of my work. In New South Wales our common cause is out of danger. There is no Protectionist party whatever here; and the general desire is to throw open our trade and resources as much as possible, conscious as we are that the freedom of commerce is as essential to our future greatness as it is in accordance with the genius of a free constitution and the instincts of a free people. Allow me to add my humble testimony to the service done by the Cobden Club publications in this part of the world. You will perceive that in one of my Essays I have largely quoted from them. Permit me, in conclusion, to express my ardent admiration of the principles on which the Club is founded, principles whose complete triumph in levelling for ever the barriers which selfish folly interposes between the blessings of God and the necessities of man will do something more than free ioS COB DEN CLUB. the commerce of the world, for they will confer on all the scattered races of mankind the germs of universal peace, civilisation, and goodwill. I am, my dear Sir, Your faithful servant, G. H. Reid. Thomas B. Potter, Esq., M.P., Hon. Secretary of the Cobden Club, London. From Gower Evans, Esq., of Melbourne, Australia. Hayes, July 15, 1875. Dear Sir,— I have great pleasure in complying with the wish of the Committee of the Cobden Club, that inasmuch as I have recently arrived in London, after an eight years’ residence in Victoria, I should acquaint them, as far as in my power, with the present position of the Free Trade movement in Australia. I must mention, by way of preface, that as far as my own colony is concerned, it is difficult at this moment to make a precise statement. The Parliament of Victoria commenced its session at the end of May; and a telegram from Melbourne, dated May 25, informs us that the. Government policy includes a remission of Customs’ duties. How far this remission goes, and whether it will be acceptable to Parliament, it is of course at present impos¬ sible to say. +1 w ^ 10 ^ e ’ however, I am happy to be able to state a the prospects of the Free Trade party in the Australian co omes are more hopeful than they have been at any pre¬ vious period during the last ten years. For that space of •™ ] e ’j ls * i e Committee are doubtless aware, the whole group, U Tasmania and New Zealand, have been, mainly irougi tie initiative of Victoria, more or less under the F'retectionist ideas. The first symptoms of un- fpsipri !i unc y oppression of the Protective tariffs mani- temselves in the desire to establish a system of CORRESPONDENCE. 109 inter-colonial Free Trade. After repeated appeals, the Imperial Government acquiesced in this desire of the Aus¬ tralian colonies, and an Act was passed empowering the colonies to enter into Commercial Treaties and to impose differential duties. No advantage has been as yet taken of the privileges conferred by the Imperial Act, and the present able Governor of New South Wales, Sir Hercules Robinson, in an exhaustive State Paper, has pointed out the difficulties which must inevitably occur in any attempt to carry out the Act on any principle except that of general Free Trade. Partly, I consider, in consequence of the ideas sug¬ gested by this paper, and partly from a belief in the soundness of the general principle, the New South Wales Government some two years ago took an immense stride in the direction of Free Trade, by the abolition of the ad valorem duties. The Government that, under the leadership of Mr. Parkes, adopted this sound policy has since fallen, but their successors have avowed their adherence to the same principles, and purpose to proceed further in the same direction; and at the last general election not a single can¬ didate presented himself in support of reactionary views. The action of New South Wales has had a sensible influence on Victoria. The oppressive duties levied in Melbourne have for some time past tended to divert the inter-colonial trade from Melbourne to Sydney, in spite of the natural ad¬ vantages of the former port. In addition to this, the classes in Victoria,‘such as the miners and farmers, who do not in any way benefit by Protection, but who have supported the Protective policy under the mistaken idea that they were furthering the interest of their fellow-labourers in the towns, are beginning to feel the burden of the tariff without being able to convince themselves that they really have served the interests which they intended to promote. Owing to the depression in the mining districts, the revenue of Victoria has shown symptoms of decline. It is in these circumstances that the Victorian Government has been induced to re¬ consider its fiscal policy, and, as the telegraph informs us, to propose a remission of duties. I am not sanguine as to the IIO COB DEN CLUB. extent of this remission, nor can I write with confidence in respect to the amount of change that has taken place in public opinion in reference to the main principle of Free Trade.. That some change, however, has occurred in the right direction is certain, but so much class-feeling has been generated by the long struggle, and so many interests have grown up under the Protectionist regime, that a complete return to Free Trade is not to be expected for the present. We must be contented to know that the movement is in that direction; and we may hope that at no distant period Victoria may Toe found ranged with New South Wales, and that the colonies will march together to the completion of the policy. South Australia, it is encouraging to learn, so recently as June 17 th, under a change of Ministry, has adopted the New South Wales tariff. When the three adja¬ cent colonies move together, the others, which have never gone so far as Victoria, must inevitably adopt the system. Thus, as I said at the commencement of my letter, the moment gives occasion for a more sanguine feeling than Australian Free Traders have for some time experienced; and although patience is still required, I am justified in ex¬ pressing the opinion that the present members of the Cobden Club will have the opportunity of celebrating the return of the whole of Australia to a sound fiscal policy. I am, yours faithfully, Gower Evans. . August 19; . . P-S- Since the foregoing was written, we have been informed by telegraph that the Victorian Ministry then in office had brought forward a budget of a Free Trade tendency ; that it had been left in a majority of one; and that, having been refused a dissolution by the Acting- Governor, it had resigned, and had been replaced by a Protectionist administration, under a Mr. Berry. I would remaik, in the first place, with respect to this change, that, taking the worst view of it, a Ministry coming into office CORRESPONDENCE. Ill with a minority, even though the minority be only inferior to the majority by one, cannot be a very strong one. But there are circumstances connected with the position of the retiring Ministry which, coupled with the character of that which has replaced it, lead me to take a still less gloomy view of the situation. The late Ministry consisted, in the main, of Free Traders who had consented to carry out a Protectionist policy. They were, consequently, not very warmly supported by the non-official Free Traders in the House. When they proposed to modify the Protectionist tariff, they also announced the intention of imposing a property-tax and a tax upon bank-notes. It may possibly be the case that their modification of the tariff may not have been considered sufficient to justify the imposition of new taxes, and the ranks of the ultra-Protectionists may have been swelled by the addition of some dissatisfied Free Traders. Then, again, the list of the new Ministry does not contain a single name of political or social eminence. I am perfectly sure that every one acquainted with Victorian affairs regarded it with unmixed astonishment. Although, therefore, as I have said in my letter, I am not prepared to indulge in sanguine prophecy with respect to the extent of change that public opinion has undergone in Victoria on the subject of Protection, I am still inclined to think, for the reasons I have given, that a change in the right direction is taking place; and I do not attach any importance to the accession to office of such an administration as that of which we have in the last few days received the list by telegraph. Gower Evans. G. C. Warr, Esq., Secretary of the Cobden Club. DISCUSSION ON THE TREATIES OF COMMERCE AND PUBLIC OPINION IN EUROPE, At a Meeting of the Political Economy Society of Paris, August 6th, 1875. M. MICHEL CHEVALIER Presiding. This meeting was attended, in response to an invitation, by several foreign savants , who had come to Paris to take part in the labours of the Congress of Geographical Science, as well as French members of the Congress, and deputies of the National Assembly. The President delivered an address, in which he thanked the strangers who had honoured the meeting by their presence, and expressed his pleasure at seeing them as¬ sembled with the French savants on the neutral ground of scientific discussion. Every international congress, he said, even if military affairs be the subject, should have the effect of establishing peace and international harmony, because it is impossible for distinguished men to assemble and exchange their ideas and their lights without conceiving sentiments of mutual esteem and sympathy. But the present congress, thank God, had nothing to do with war. M. Chevalier saw with pleasure among those present Economists and Sta¬ tisticians—men, therefore, devoted to identical studies; for statistics are inseparable from Political Economy, and the organisers of the National Institute understood this when they united in the same section these twin sciences, both closely allied to geography, from which they derive precious lessons and useful co-operation. What, in fact, is Political DISCUSSION. ”3 Economy but the science of exchanges? and how could exchange, without which neither society nor civilisation could exist, be established between nations, if they knew nothing of one another? The knowledge of geography, taken in the widest sense, as it is understood and taught by a learned academician, a member of the Society of Political Economy, is therefore indispensable to the development of exchanges, on which depends the prosperity of nations. Now, geographical science owes its progress in great measure, no doubt, to brave explorers such as Cook, Lapeyrouse, Bougainville, Franklin, Livingstone; but it is indebted also to those industrious men who patiently study the manners, the institutions, the products, the intellectual and material resources of nations, and who are all more or less Economists; and all are, or are becoming, adherents of commercial freedom. This freedom, as every one knows, is one of the objects which Economists pursue with the greatest ardour, because they see in it the solution of one of the greatest social and international problems of our age. M. Chevalier said that he would be glad if the foreign Econo¬ mists present at the meeting would give some information respecting the economical ideas which appear to them to prevail in the councils of their respective governments, and in the public opinion of their respective countries, and to say whether the Commercial Treaties which have nearly expired appeared to them to have some chance of being renewed on a liberal basis. Baron Von Czcernig, Corresponding Member of the Academy of Moral and Political Science, late President of the Geographical Society of Vienna, was the senior among the Statisticians present at the meeting. He has for a long time been Director of Statistics for the Austro-Hungarian Empire, and he bore witness to the happy results produced in that empire by the lowering of the customs’ duties, and the other barriers which the old economy of the State opposed to international exchanges. In consequence of economic reforms, the imports had been seen doubled, tripled, quad¬ rupled from year to year. Not, he said, that there is no H COB DEN CLUB. Protectionist party in Austria, but there is good ground for hoping that it will not succeed. A congress of liberal Economists has assembled this year at Vienna, with the object of acting on the deputies who will have to renew or modify the Treaties of Commerce; and everything leads one to believe that these treaties will continue the true, nay still more pronounced expression of the progressive ideas which dictated them. Signor Peruzzi, a member of the Italian Parliament, Mayor of Florence, would not venture to repeat the as¬ surances. which he gave some years ago at a banquet of Economists assembled at Paris, on the occasion of the Inter¬ national Exhibition, and which was attended by one of his mends, the eminent Economist, Signor Luzzatti, who shared his convictions then more than he does now. They con¬ versed on that occasion about the probable consequences of Commercial Treaties, so differently estimated in Italy. rord^n dl t CUSSed a i so r the Treat y of Navigation, which, ac- ^ o many Italians, must ruin the Ligurian coasting . found f ft thC bene , fit of that of Marseilles. Now it is w irvf f i r , praCtlCa l ex P e nence, that the Ligurian coast- renewS nf h tvi S n f ever . been 30 prosperous before. Still, the Itdv Tn f t? e fi ! at l CS may meet with some obstacles in known lllr u St J hce > the Italian Parliament, it is well which ’like oif ed m l8 ' , ° an inconvertible paper-currency, pecJd results tT^i! ° f the kind ’ has Placed real svsfpm of US - tke curr ency in question constitutes a indusfries n whh'^ >^0teC ^ 10n, a Paction very costly for the while the other a ^ e supported in the interior of the country, Twho are no l likewise the consumers seriouslv bv A eeded tban tbe theorists)—are suffering treaties 7 which' A ? other obstacle to the renewal of the ExcheQuer ,nd\r have • 10 dread - i 3 the poverty of the in Italy, as elsewhere^? 1 * 7 "' hlch the Government alleges disposal We he G ’ rai3in S money by all means at its tion, which obligeTus^theVsav -° f thG W ° f C0 . m P ensar chandise chare-ef m,,’ *1 Say \ to lm Pose on foreign mer- g quivalent to those borne by the commerce DISCUSSION. u 5 and industry of the country. Lastly, Signor Peruzzi ex¬ pressed misgivings with regard to the influence of the new School of Economy which was formed a short time ago in Italy, and which is demanding the intervention of the State in questions of exchange and labour. This school has founded a society under the direction of Signor Luzzatti, and there is a rival society, the counterpart of it, on his own side, of which Signor Peruzzi has been elected President. The latter has entitled itself after Adam Smith, thus asserting its firm attachment to the liberal doctrines propounded by the great English publicist. The Economists who give the tone to the new school do not positively differ from those of the old, as far as concerns commercial freedom; but there is reason to fear, that, in virtue of the large part which they assign to the State in the direction of economic movements, they will suffer themselves to be drawn into approving the Protectionist measures which may be proposed. The two schools are represented in the Italian Parliament. Signor Peruzzi foresees that the struggle between them will be a hard one; he declares that the banner of commercial free¬ dom shall be lifted high by his friends and himself, but he is not absolutely sure of the issue of the debate on the Treaties of Commerce. Dr. Julius Faucher, Editor of the Quarterly Review of Political Economy , Berlin, trusts that the economic policy inaugurated by the Treaties of Commerce will be maintained in Germany. The Protectionists there are not numerous, nor influential, especially in the Parliament, and the attempts at reaction which have been made have met with no success. Moreover, the situation of Germany counsels fidelity to the principle of Free Trade. Germany has no inconvertible paper-currency; she has received a large amount of gold from France—that is to say, the Government has received it, not the people. This influx of specie has caused a general rise of prices; her imports have largely exceeded her exports, and the gold has returned to France through a thousand channels. But these circumstances have not shaken the friends of Free Trade, who only think of securing COB DEN CLUB. ii 6 the future, and they, too, are engaged in a struggle, often very lively, with the Economists of the new school, whom they call the “ Socialists of the Pulpit.” There will be, next year, a Congress of Economists at Munich. We shall see if the Protectionists are represented there; but Dr. Faucher strongly doubts it. Herr Engel, Director of Statistics for the Kingdom of Prussia, stated confidently that the division between the new and the old school of Economists is not so deep as is represented, and that both are agreed in favour of promoting exchanges by the lowering of customs' duties. The Statistical Bureau of Berlin is a real school, a nursery of Economists, from which Dr. Faucher himself came, and which produces neither Socialists nor Protectionists. The question between the two schools, to which reference had been made, is simply, whether in economic affairs the State ought to be reduced to the part of night-watchman, or whether it has an active and useful part to fulfil in production and exchange. The new school adheres to the latter doctrine, and M. Engel appeared to hold with it. In any case he emphatically exculpated this school from the Protectionist tendencies, of which it is suspected, and he declared that it is not in that quarter that Free Trade will find opponents. Herr Meitzen, Assistant Director of Statistics for Ger¬ many, knows all the young professors of the German Univer¬ sities, and wishes to state that there are no Protectionists among them. He desired also to correct what Dr. Faucher had said regarding the economic situation of Germany of late years. Being in charge of the statistics of internal com¬ merce, M. Meitzen well understands the facts, and he can affirm that the French milliards count for next to nothing in the excess of imports noticed by Dr. Faucher. This excess (considerable, it is true) is limited to cereals, meat, and metals (iron and copper), and is very simply explained. On the one hand, Germany has had bad harvests; she has been desolated by cattle-plague, which has forced her to go to foreign parts for cereals and meat. On the other hand, she has been obliged to purchase iron and other metals to DISCUSSION. 117 satisfy the requirements arising from the development of her railways and her mining industries. Herr Unfalvy, President of the Geographical Society of Pesth, said that economic questions in the present situation of Austro-Hungary were generally associated with the rivalry of the two parties in the Empire, but that, in relation to foreign countries, opinion was generally favourable on both sides to commercial freedom. M. Clapier said that, having had the honour of belong¬ ing to the Commission appointed to examine the proposed tariff, which the Italian Government had laid before the French Government, he thought he might, without departing from the reserve imposed by negotiations still pending, furnish some information to the meeting on the subject. The treaty which existed between France and Italy, having been denounced with due notice, will ceasi; to have effect during the course of next year. Italy has submitted to the French Government the draft of a tariff which she proposes to put in force at the expiration of the treaty. She has not formally proposed the renewal of the treaty, but she desires to take the opinion of the French Government on the tariff which she proposes to establish at home, so that nothing may interfere with the good understanding which exists between the two nations. This communication raised a preliminary question : is it well for us to be linked with Italy by a formal and obligatory treaty? or, would it not be better to limit ourselves to an understanding which, maintaining nearly the present state of things, would leave to each of the two nations its liberty of action ? A formal treaty appeared preferable to the majority of the Commission, as offering more security to industry, and rendering a longer term certain. The Commission therefore felt bound to examine and discuss the draft tariff submitted by Italy, on the supposition that it might serve as the basis of a treaty. This tariff appeared to them the result of three distinct motives :—1st. A desire to furnish supplies to the Italian treasury; this purely financial motive raised no objection. COB DEN CLUB. 2nd. A desire to convert ad valorem duties into specific. Ad valorem duties, though apparently more equitable, are nevertheless a source of disputes and frauds; the Italian Government loudly complains of them, and all Economists interested in the question recognise that this conversion is indispensable; but the transition from one species of legislation to another is not free from difficulties. Specific duties, founded on average values, have the inconvenience of weighing more heavily on common goods than on rich pro¬ ducts, which is an economic mistake. This difficulty can only be escaped by dividing each species of product into a certain number of categories, and marking with great nicety the ex¬ ternal signs and conditions of composition which are to serve as the basis of each category. The Italian draft exhibited un¬ fortunate gaps in this respect; the French Government, en¬ lightened by hints furnished by our principal manufacturers, and by the stipulations of the English treaty, thought that it could point out these to Italy. 3rd. A certain Protectionist motive, revealed in several provisions of the draft tariff, gave occasion for some remarks on the part of the French Government. The Italian Government repudiated this in¬ tention, affirming that the maximum duty which it is proposed to place on foreign goods is not more than 10 percent. The French Government admitted that duties restricted to this limit did not exceed the measure of protection which a State may reasonably accord to its industry, without doing violence to the good relations which exist with neighbouring States; and, taking note of this declaration, consented to make it the general basis of negotiations, with certain partial ex¬ ceptions which circumstances might render necessary. Signor Peruzzi reverted to some of the considerations which he had put forward, and which M. Clapier had just confirmed, while presenting them in a new aspect. As to the question which divides the Economists of the new school and the orthodox Economists, Signor Peruzzi, bor¬ rowing M. Engel’s simile, said that in his opinion the State ought to be a “ night-and-day watchman,” but not to inter¬ fere in economic questions, otherwise than by clearing away DISCUSSION. 119 the obstacles and the shackles, which, by paralysing ex¬ change, prevent wealth from multiplying and prosperity from becoming general. M. A de Bounschen, President of the Geographical Society of St. Petersburg, briefly informed the meeting of the progress which has been effected in Russia since 1851 in economic ideas and circumstances. At that date, legis¬ lation being completely protectionist, the customs’ duties were raised and industry slumbered. In 1857 there was a first revision of the tariffs, with some concessions made to liberal ideas ; the duties were lowered and industry began to spring up. In 1867 there was a new revision and new concessions. The great cotton manufacture cried out for a protection, which it did not need ; but the Government did not stop to listen to these complaints. As for the public, it remained neutral. Other special revisions have taken place since, and always with a tendency towards Free Trade. At the present time Russia, although protecting her iron manu¬ facture, imports one hundred million pounds of foreign iron for her railways. She protects other industries also, but with exceptions so numerous that they reverse the rule. If the liberal intentions of the Government meet with impedi¬ ments, it is on the part of France, from whom they ask only for reciprocity. In short, economic ideas are making pro¬ gress, and one may hope that the next revision of the treaties will be favourable to the extension of exchanges. M. Baumhauser, Director of Statistics for the Nether¬ lands, spoke of the treaty relating to the regulation of the sugar-duties, which interests, besides the Netherlands, Belgium, England, and France. The upshot of his evidence was that the general tendency in Holland is favourable to Free Trade. M. Clapier then said: As the question of the sugar-duties is raised, I have the good fortune to be able to furnish some accurate information to the meeting on that subject; for I belong to the Parliamentary Commission to which this question is actually submitted. You all know the convention of 1865. At that date 120 COB DEN CLUB. there was a very keen contest between England, Holland, j Belgium, and France, to get hold of the exportation of refined sugar to the great consuming countries. This con- I test issuing in the award on the part of each country of premiums on the exportation of refined sugar more than covering the duty paid on the importation of raw sugar, the | convention of 1865 had for its object to place the four contracting powers on the same footing, and to provide j against imported sugars being subjected to duties other than those paid by the sugars made or refined at home. This convention raised loud complaints on the part of England, who alleged that the French refiners had in the facilities provided by the French legislation an indirect pre- | mium, which crushed their own refinery; a certain number of the manufacturers of the home-grown sugar, making com¬ mon cause with the English refiners, maintained that this indirect premium caused an enormous Joss to the French exchequer, and under this impression the National Assembly decided that, at the expiration of the convention, which terminated on 1st August, 1875, the French refineries should be subjected to the excise. In the interval, England abolished all duties on sugar, thus leaving her market open- to all nations. On the other hand, the French Govern¬ ment, not wishing to inflict the annoyances of the excise on her refineries except this excise should be equally estab¬ lished in the two other contracting countries, negotiations were opened. Belgium formally refused to establish the excise in her refineries, but she offered by way of compen¬ sation to reduce by half her internal duty on sugars, which reduced by half the indirect premium which her refiners possess in the facilities provided by her legislation. She offered also to raise by some degrees the tax on her beet- juice, subject to the system of simple abonnement. Holland did not.oppose an absolute refusal to the establishment of the excise in her refineries, but before committing herself, she expressed a desire to know the system which would regu¬ late the mode of application of the excise in France. France officially communicated a proposed scheme of regula- DISCUSSION. 121 tions, but reserved the liberty to modify it according to the greater or less latitude of the Dutch regulations. Moreover, she showed herself determined to see the internal duty imposed on raw sugars, on their entry into the refinery, on the basis of their real richness, determined not by mere shades, but by chemical analysis and the observations of the saccharimeter. England, although not interested in the question, insisted nevertheless on intervening in the treaty, under a promise (which, coming from Lord Derby, costs her little) that if ever she re-establishes a duty on sugar at home, she will subject her refineries to the excise; taking advantage of this simple promise, she demands very peremptorily, as the fulfilment of a formal undertaking, that the French refineries should be subjected to the excise. Such is the state of the question, and as its solution will require some further adjournment, the contracting parties have agreed to prolong the convention of 1865 to the month of March next; a law ratifying this agreement was passed by the French National Assembly at the end of last session. This question, very difficult in itself—inasmuch as the legislature in intervening must conciliate at once the rights of the Treasury and those of the French and colonial sugar- producers with those of the sugar-refiners, and establish between the contracting nations, in default of an identical system which they rej ect, a system of compensation which maintains complete equality between them—is further com¬ plicated by the fact that we have now to deal with powerful competition outside the four contracting nations, such as that of Germany, of Hungary, and that of the United States, which must unquestionably destroy the equilibrium which is sought to be established by legislative combinations. The introduction of a system of impediments and restrictions such as are demanded must undoubtedly strike a blow against one of the fairest industries which France has created for twenty years, and demonstrate once more that both at home and abroad liberty, honest competition, the incessant improvement of the product, and reduction of the cost of 122 COB DEN CLUB. production, are the surest basis of the commercial prosperity of a country. M. Zemeroff, Director of Statistics, St. Petersburg, con¬ firmed in a few words the information furnished by his fellow-countryman, M. de Bounschen. Senor Fr. Coello, of Madrid, assured the meeting that in Spain opinion is favourable to Free Trade ; and this tendency is conformable to the manifest interests of the country, which must desire an outlet for its agricultural and mineral products. Unhappily, Spanish publicists are concerned at present much more with politics than with economic science ; the country is wasted in civil war ; but the speaker' hoped that internal peace will shortly be re-established, and that the commercial relations of Spain with other countries, and par¬ ticularly with France, will speedily resume their normal course. M. Joseph Garnier summed up the explanation which had been given by the different speakers, and from which this salient fact appears among others, that the new school of economy formed in Germany and Italy agrees with the “ orthodox ” school in demanding commercial freedom. (Translated from a Report in the fLconomiste Francois, August 14, 1875.) REPORT OF THE COMMITTEE OF THE COBDEN CLUB, Presented at the Annual General Meeting, June 26, 1875. During the year 1874 the Committee distributed the following works :— 1. Professor Thorold Rogers’ “ Cobden and Poli¬ tical Opinion” (820 copies), presented to the Members of the Club and to the Free Libraries. 2. Bastiat’s “ Essays on Political Economy,” a selection in English (3,000 copies), presented to the Members of the Club and to Free Libraries, to Working Men’s Clubs, Mechanics’ Institutes, &c., at home, in the United States, and in the Colonies. 3. “The History of England from 1832 to the Present Time,” by the Rev. W. Nassau Molesworth (100 copies), presented to the Free Libraries. 4. “The Financial Reform Almanack for 1874” (3,000 copies), presented to the Members of the 124 COB DEN CLUB. Club, to the Free Libraries, and Working Men’s Clubs, &c. 5. “Report of Proceedings at the Dinner of the Cobden Club, 1874” (the Right Hon. W. E. Baxter, M.P., in the chair), with the Committee’s Report of the work of the Club from its foundation, and an Appendix relating to Free Trade in the Colonies (15,000 copies), circulated among the Members of the Club, and the various Libraries, Public Institutions, Associations, &c., with which the Cobden Club is in communication at home and abroad. Since the beginning of the present year the new series of Cobden Club Essays, on “Local Govern¬ ment and Taxation,” which was announced in the last Report, has been published (2,000 copies). The volume has been presented to all the Members of the Club, and to the Free Libraries at home and some of those in the United States, in the Colonies, and on the Continent. The number of copies sold from the publishers’ (312) will be found entered in the statement of receipts and expenditure up to the present date, which will be laid on the table. The Committee are glad to state that the work has been received with approval; and they desire to return their cordial thanks to the writers of the Essays, to the Literary Committee, and to Mr. J. W. Probyn, the Editor, for their respective services. REPORT OF THE COMMITTEE. 125 The Financial Reform Almanack for 1875 (1,500 copies) has been purchased and distributed as before. At the last General Meeting the Committee sub¬ mitted the following Proposals with regard to the future action of the Club :— “1. To publish in a cheap form a selection from Mr. Cobden’s speeches and works, and books and pamphlets calculated to further the cause of Free Trade, for circulation in Great Britain, the United States, and the British Colonies. “ 2. To assist in promoting lectures and publica¬ tions on Political Economy, and instituting rewards for essays, in accordance with Mr. Cobden’s views. “ 3. To communicate with friends in other countries with a view of circulating Free Trade publications, and helping on measures likely to promote inter¬ national amity.” With reference to the first Proposal, the Com¬ mittee have communicated with Mr. Henry Richard, M.P., who reports that he is actively engaged in collecting and preparing the correspondence of Mr. Cobden for publication. The Committee will lend their best aid in promoting this work. The Committee also propose to issue a revised edition of Sir Louis Mallet’s Essay on the Political Writings of Cobden : 5,000 copies will be circulated. In order to carry out the second Proposal, the 126 COBDEN CLUB. Literary Committee has been empowered to offer prizes in connection with the lectures on Political Economy and English History organised in several of the large provincial towns by the Cambridge University Extension Syndicate; the prizes to con¬ sist of sets of standard books relating to the subjects taught. With a view to giving effect to the last Proposal, the Committee have authorised a translation to be prepared of the Hon. David Wells’ speech on the Results of Protection in the United States, delivered before the Cobden Club 27th June, 1873, and 2,000 copies to be printed and circulated in Italy, where the interests of commerce are immediately threatened by the proposals of the Italian Government in the direction of a protective tariff. The Gold Medal of the Cobden Club has been awarded to M. Michel Chevalier, for his eminent services in the cause of Free Trade. LIST OF HONORARY MEMBERS. 127 List of Honorary Members elected during the year 1875 :— Baron von Keudall, German Ambassador, Rome. Marquis Gino Capponi, Florence. Comm. Ubaldino Peruzzi, Florence. Count Petro Bastogi, Florence. Comm. Celso Martucchi, Florence. Prof. Antonio Boccardi, Genoa. Signor Pannilini Gori, Sienna. M. Leon Gambetta, Paris. Cav. Gaetano Tacconi, Bologna. Chevalier Charles de Scherzer, Director of Commer¬ cial Affairs, Austrian Embassy. Hon. Alexander Mackenzie, Prime Minister, Canada. Herr Mijatovitch, late Minister of Finance, Servia. Herr Max Wirth, Vienna. Mr. Dominic E. Colnaghi, British Consul, Florence. Mr. K. B. Murray, Secretary to the British Chamber of Commerce, Paris. Dr. Alexander von Dorn, Editor of the Trieste “ Gazette.” M. Louis Simonin, Paris. M. J. Kappeyne van de Coppello,^Holland. M. T. P. K. Jak von Poortoliet, Holland. Hon. George Brown, Canada. Signor L. Bodio, Minister of Agriculture, Rome. Dr. Albert Groning, Bremen. M. Menier, Paris. 128 CODDEN CLUB. List of Publications distributed from 1866-75. “Speeches of Cobden.” .Edited by John Bright and J. E. Thorold Rogers. (Macmillan.) 794 Copies. “Political Writings of Cobden.” (Ridgway.) 732 Copies. “Cobden Club Essays’’-First Series-on Systems of Land Tenure. (Macmillan.) 1,058 Copies. “Cobden Club Essays.” Second Series. (Cassell.) 2,500 Copies. “Cobden Club Essays—Third Series—on Local Government and Taxation. (Cassell.) 2,000 Copies. “ Essay 6n the Political Writings of Cobden,” by Sir Louis Mallet. 2,000 Copies. “Report on the United States Revenue,” by. David A. Wells. (Macmillan.) 3 , 75 ° Copies.' “Report on Taxation of New York,” by Messrs. Wells, Dodge, and Cuyler. (Ireland.) 3,000 Copies. Second Report on the same. (Cassell.) 4,050 Copies. “Letters on Commercial Treaties, Free Trade, and Inter-nationalism,” by a Disciple of Richard Cobden. (Macmillan and Ireland.) 3,500 Copies. “The Commercial Policy of France.” (Cassell.) 10,000 Copies. j3 0> do. Translated into French. (Guil- laumin.) io,oco Copies. « Speech by Mr. Grant Duff on the Teachings of Richard Cobden.” (Cassell.) 10,000 Copies. “ Essay by Lord Hobart on the Mission of Richard Cobden.” (Cassell.) 10,000 Copies. “ Cobden and Political Opinion,” by J. E. Thorold Rogers. (Mac¬ millan.) 820 Copies. “ Nasse on Village Communities.” Translated by Col. Ouvry. 750 Copies. “Leavitt on England and America.” Prize Essay. 2,000 Copies. “ Free Trade in Land,” by Arthur Arnold. 1,000 Copies. LIST OF PUBLIC A TIONS. 129 “Report of Proceedings at the ColxlenClub Dinner, 1870”—Rt. lion. W. E. Gladstone in the Chair. (Macmillan.) 4,000 Copies. Do. 1871 — Earl Granville in the Chair. (Cassell.) 4,000 Copies. Do. 1873—Rt. Hon. T. Milner Gibson in the Chair. Speech of Hon. David A. Wells on Protec¬ tion in the United States. (Cassell.) 15,000 Copies. Also Mr. Wells’ Speech, sepa¬ rately published—5,000 Copies. Summary of same in French, i,ooo: in German, 1,000 (Cassell). Do. 1S74—Rt. Hon. W. E. Baxter in the Chair. With Report of the Committee, 1866-1874. (Cas¬ sell.) 15,000 Copies. “ Bastiat’s Essays on Political Economy.” Popular Edition. (Provost.) 4,000 Copies. “Financial Reform Almanack, 1874.” 1,000 Copies. D°. do. do. 1875. 1,800 Copies. ‘History of England, from 1832 to the Present Time,” by W. Nassau Molesworth. (Chapman and Hall .) 100 Copies. Total number of Copies distributed - 133,854. Total Expense - - - ^5,518 is. 4d. I 130 COB DEN CLUB. List of Libraries, Public Institutions, Associations, &c., with which the Cobden Club is in communication. FREE AND PUBLIC LIBRARIES OF THE UNITED KINGDOM. PUBLIC LIBRARIES on the Continent (73). 91 19 ^ the United States (256). LIBRARIES and CLUBS in Australia, Canada, the West Indies, Cape of Good Hope, &c. (63). WORKMEN’S CLUBS and INSTITUTES. (1) Those comprised in the list of the Working Men’s Club and Institute Union. (2) Lancashire Union of Mechanics’ Institutes. (3) Yorkshire Union of Mechanics’ Institutes. (4) Co-operative Associations connected with the Central Co¬ operative Board, and Equitable Pioneers’ Association, Rochdale. ROYAL COLONIAL INSTITUTE. ASSOCIATED CHAMBERS OF COMMERCE OF THE UNITED KINGDOM. CHAMBERS OF COMMERCE in the Colonies. ASSOCIATION of CHAMBERS of COMMERCE in GERMANY (Dr. Alexander Meyer, Secretary). CHAMBERS of COMMERCE in FRANCE. BRITISH CHAMBER of COMMERCE in PARIS (K. B. Murray, Esq., Secretary). L’ECOMISTE FRANCAIS, Paris, and the ECONOMISTA, Florence and Rome. CONGRESS OF GERMAN ECONOMISTS (Dr. Karl Braun, President ). FREE TRADE LEAGUE, New York (Mahlon Sands, Esq., Secretary). YOUNG MEN’S FREE TRADE ASSOCIATION, Boston (W. Downie, Esq., President). REFORM UNION, Manchester. FINANCIAL REFORM ASSOCIATION, Liverpool. TRUBNER & CO., for foreign distribution. EDWARD WILSON, Esq., of the Melbourne Argus, for Australian circtffetion. MR. GEORGE HOWELL, Secretary of the Parliamentary Committee of the Trades Congress. NEWSPAPERS, London and Provincial . . in number, 147. on the Continent, cc, in the U.S.A., FOREIGN EMBASSIES AND LEGATIONS. CHIEF MAGISTRATES IN UNITED KINGDOM, „ 224. HONORARY MEMBERS of the Club, on the Continent, in the United Mates. Cobden Club. LIST OF MEMBERS. Names in Italics are those of Honorary Members. * Present at the Annual Dinner. The Cobden Club now consists of 501 Ordinary Members, and 204 Honorary Members. The following Gentlemen form the Committee :— Mr. Wm. Henry Ashurst. Right Hon. W. E. Baxter, M.P. Mr. Richard Baxter, Treasurer. Mr. Jacob Bright. Hon. George Brodrick. Mr. Alexander H. Brown, M.P. Mr. James Caird, C.B. Mr. H. Campbell-BanNerman,- M.P, Mr. W. C. Cartwright, M.P. Sir C. W. Dilke, Bart., M.P. 132 COB DEN CLUB. Mr. M. E. Grant Duff, M.P. Mr. Richard C. Fisher. Mr. C. Wren Hoskyns. . Lord Houghton. Mr. A. C. Humphreys. Mr. Alfred Illingworth. Mr. John Lambert, C.B. Sir Wilfrid Lawson, Bart., M.P. Mr. E. A. Leatham, M.P. Mr. T. E. Cliffe Leslie. Sir John Lubbock, Bart., M.P. Sir Louis Mallet, C.B. Mr. R. B. D. Morier, C.B. Mr. T. Bayley Potter, M.P., Hon. Sec: Mr. J. W. Probyn. Professor J. E. Thorold Rogers. Lord Arthur J. E. Russell, M.P. Mr. Albert Rutson. Mr. Peter Rylands. Secretary— Mr. George C. Warr, 5, Millman Street, Bedford Row, London, W.C. A. 1866 Abcrdare, Lord. 1872 ‘Acland, Sir Thomas Dyke, Bart., M.P. 1871 Acton, Lord. LIST OF MEMBERS. 133 1870 Adam, Right Hon. W.P., M.P. 1868 Adams, C. F., U.S. America. 1873 Adams, Henry, U.S. America. 1869 Adams, J. Quincy, U.S. America. 1870 Agnew, Charles Swain. 1869 Agnew, J. Henry. 1873 Agnew, Thomas. 1869 * Agnew, William. 1867 Airlie, Earl of, K.T. 1870 Akroyd, Lieut.-Col. Edward. 1872 * Allen, Stafford. 1875 Allport, James. 1871 *Allhusen, Christian. 1866 Amberley, Viscount. 1872 Anderson, M. B., U.S. America. 1867 Andrew, Charles. 1870 *Anning, James. 1873 Anstruther, Sir R., Bart., M.P. 1866 *Armitage, Benjamin. 1868 Armitage, Sir Elkanah. 1871 Armstrong, David B. 1866 Argyle, Duke of, K.T. 1868 Ashton, Robert. 1866 Ashton, Thomas. 134 COB DEN CLUB. 1866 *Ashurst, William Henry. 1869 Atkinson , Edward , US. America. 1874 Atkinson, G. 1874 Aveling, Thomas. 1868 Avison, Thomas. 1870 * Ayrton, Right Hon. A. S. B. 1869 Backhouse, Edmund, M.P. 1871 Baines, E. Talbot. 1873 Balfour, Sir George, K.C.B., M.P. 7870 Bancroft , His Excellency the Hon. George , US. America. 1873 Barclay, James W., M.P. 1873 Barlow, Samuel. 1867 Barry, Right Hon. Charles R. 1868 Bass, M. Arthur, M.P. 1866 Bass, M. T., M.P. 1874 Bassett, F. 1867 Bastard, Thomas Horlock. 1875 Bastogi, Count, Italy. 1869 Batchelor, T. B. 1866 *Baxter, Richard. LIST OF MEMBERS. 135 1866 *Baxter, Right Hon. W. E., M.P. 1867 Beal, James. 1866 Beales, Edmond. 1869 Beaumont, Somerset A. 1869 Beecher, Rev. Henry Ward, U.S. America. 1871 Behr, Baron, Germany. 1871 Behrens, Jacob. 1873 *Bencke, A. H. 1873 Bennett, Sir John. 1870 Benson, Robert. 1869 Bentall, E. H. 1872 Bennich, M. Axel, Sweden. 1874 Beor, H. Rogers. 1870 Besohrasof, M. W., Russia. 1874 Biedermann, A. 1866 Bigelow, Hon. John, U.S. America. 1872 Blakeley, William. 1873 Blennerhasset, Sir R., Bart. 1873 Blennerhasset, R. P., M.P. 1875 Boccardi, Prof. Antonio, Genoa. 1874 Bohmert, Prof., Switzerland. ,1875 Bodio, Sign. L., Rome. 1869 Bolckow, H. W. F., M.P. 1873 Bolles, Albert S., U.S. America. 136 COB DEN CLUB. 1872 Bonnet , M. Victor, France. 1872 Bowles, Samuel, U.S. America. 1868 Brady, Dr. John, M.P. 1869 Brand, Henry R. 1867 Brand, Right Hon. H. B. W., M.P. 1871 Brandis, Dr., Germany. 1869 Brassey, Henry A., M.P. 1866 Brassey, Thomas, M.P. 1871 Braun, Dr. Carl, Germany. 1872 *Briggs, Thomas. 1875 *Briggs, W. E., M.P. 1867 Bright, Sir Charles T. 1866 Bright, Jacob. 1866 Bright, Right Hon. John, M.P. 1867 *Broadwater, Robert. 1870 *Brocklehurst, W. C., M.P. 1872 Broch, Professor, Norzuay. 1866 Brodrick, Hon. G. C. 1869 Brogden, Alexander, M.P. 1872 Broglio, Signor, Italy. 1869 Brown, Alexander Hargreaves, M.P. 1871 Brown, George. 1875 Brown, Hon. GcorgeJ Canada. 1872 Brown, James M., U.S. America. LIST OF MEMBERS. * 37 1872 Brown , John Crosby , U.S. America. 1871 Browne, Henry Doughty. 1870 Browning, Oscar. 1872 Bruce, Mr. Justice. 1869 Bruce, Hon. J. T. Hovell-Thurlow. 1875 Brunlees, James. 1871 Bryant, Jesse. 1869 Bryant , W. C., U.S. America. 1871 Buckley, Abel. 1866 Buckley, Nathaniel. 1870 Bunsen , Herr George von , Germany. 1 87 3 Butenval, Comte de, France. 1872 Buxton, Edward North. C. 1873 Caine, W. S. 1866 *Caird, James, C.B. 1867 Caldicott, Rev. J. W. 1874 *Cameron, Dr. C., M.P. 1875 *Campbell, Sir George, Bart., M.P. 1870 *Campbell-Ba«inerman, Henry, M.P. 1871 Camperdown, Earl. 1873 Campion, Frederick. 138 COB DEN CLUB. 1875 Capponi , Marquis Gino, Italy. 1866 Carlingford, Lord. 1871 *Carr, David Richardson. 1870 *Carr, Jonathan T. 1872 Carrao, Seiior Godo da Silva, Brazil. 1868 Carter, Samuel. 1869 *Cartwright, W. C., M.P. 1870 Casa-Laiglesia, Marquess de, Spain. 1875 Case, Rev. G., D.D. 1870 Castelar, Senor Emilio, Spain. 1866 Cavendish, Lord Frederick, M.P. 1869 Chadwick, David, M.P. 1871 Challemel-Lacour, M. Paul ,’ France. 1871 Charlemont, Earl. 1871 Charles, Robert. 1866 * Chevalier, M. Michel, France. 1866 Cheetham, John. 1866 Cheetham, J. F. 1866 Childers, Right Hon. Hugh C. E., M.P. 1871 Clarendon, Earl. 1870 Coats, Sir Peter. 1874 *Cobb, Henry Peyton. 1870 Cobb, Rhodes. 1866 Coleridge, Lord. LIST OF MEMBERS. *39 1866 Collier, Right Hon. Sir R. P. 1874 *Collins, Eugene, M.P. 1867 Colman, J. J., M.P. 1871 Colman, Jeremiah. 1867 Colvile, Charles Robert. 1875 *Colnaghi , Dominic E., Florence. 1869 Coote, Thomas. 1874 Corbett, W., M.P. 1871 Corrie, William. 1870 * Corr-Vander Mceren , M. 1870 Corsi, Sig?ior Tommaso , Italy. 1869 Couvreur , J/. Auguste, Belgium. 1872 Car, Jacob D., U.S. America. *87 3 /2W Samuel S., U.S. America. 1869 Cracroft, Bernard. 1867 Crompton, Charles. 1873 Cross, Edward. 1873 ‘Cross, J. Kynaston, M.P. 1874 Crossfield, G. 1874 Crossfield, W. ^73 Crossley, John, M.P. 1873 ‘Curtis, R. H. 140 COB DEN CLUB. D. 1871 *Dale, David. 1869 *Dashwood, Captain Fred. L. 1874 Davies, Richard, M.P. 1872 DecazeS) Due de, France. 1874 De Dedem, Baron W. K., Holland. 1870 Deheselle , M. Victor , Belgium. 1872 D'Eichthal\ M. Gustave , France. 1872 Delbruck, Herr , Staats Minister, Germany. 1870 *Delahunty, James. 1870 De Molinari, M. G., France. 1873 Denny, E. Maynard. 1872 Desewffy, Count Aurele, Austro-Hungarian Empire. 1872 Deslandes, Seiior Venanzio , Portugal. 1870 Devonshire, Duke of, K.G. 1870 Dickson, James, Sweden. 1873 Digby, Kenelm T., M.P. 1874 *Dilke, Ashton W. 1867 Dilke, Sir C. W., Bart., M.P. 1868 Dixon, George, M.P. 1869 Dodds, Joseph, M.P. 1866 Dodson, Right Hon. J. G., M.P. LIST OF MEMBERS. 141 ,867 Dclfus, M. Jean, France. 1875 Dorn, Alexander Von, Trieste. ,873 Downie, William, Boston, Mass. 1870 Dowse, Right Hon. Richard. 1870 Draper, John. 1870 Ducie, Earl. 1866 Duff, M. E. Grant, M.P. 1870 Dufferin, His Excellency Earl, K.P., K.C. • ,869 Dunklmm, Count, Austro-Hungarian Empire. 1872 *Duncan, James. E. 1874 Earp, T., M.P. 1867 Eastvvick, Captain W. J. 1872 Echegaray, Senor , Spain. 1868 Edwards, Charles. 1873 Ellis, W.V. 1869 Emerson, R. W. t U.S. America. 1866 Evans, Francis Henry. F. 'Fcuchcr, Dr. Julius ,, Germany. 1869 142 COB DEN CLUB. 1872 Ferrara, Signor, Italy. 1870 Fenwick, E. M. 1874 Ferguson, R., M.P. 1868 Field, Cyras, U.S. America. 1869 Field, David D., U.S. America. 1870 Figaniere, Vicomte de, Portugal. 1869 Figuerola, Sehor, Spain . 1869 Finnie, William. 1873 Firth, Thomas. 1872 Fisco, M. Amile, Belgium. 1867 Fisher, Richard C. 1875 Fletcher, G. Hamilton. 1870 Fletcher, Isaac, M.P. 1868 Flower, E. F. 1873 *Foord, C. Ross. 1870 Fordyce, W. Dingwall, M.P. 1866 *Forster, Right Hon. W. E., M.P. 1872 Fortemps, M., Belgium. 1872 Foster, Hon. L. F., U.S. America. 1869 Fothergill, Richard, M.P. 1866 *Fowler, Robert. 1869 Fowler, William. 1872 Franqueville , Comte de, France. 1872 Frederiksen, Professor , Denmark. LIST OF MEMBERS. >43 1869 Freeman, Henry W. 1872 Frere, M. Orban, Belgium. G. 1875 Gambetta , M. Leon, Paris. 1875 Gamble, David. 1869 Garfield , General J. A., U.S. America. 1868 Garibaldi, General, Italy. 1872 Gamier, M. Joseph, France. 1869 Garrison, W. Lloyd, U.S. America. 1872 Germain, M., France. 1869 Gibbs, Frederick W., C.B. 1866 * Gibson, Right Hon. T. Milner. 1870 *Gillibrand, Philip. 1866 Gladstone, Right Hon. W.E.,M.P. 1866 Gladstone, Robertson. 1874 Gleichman, T. G., Holland. 1866 Goldsmid, Sir Francis H., Bart., M.P. 1866 Goldsmid, Julian, M.P. 1872 Gomez, Sehor Ruiz, Spain. 1875 Gori, Signor Pannilini, Italy. 1866 Goschen, Right Hon. G. ]., M.P. 1872 *Gosnell, Charles. 1872 * Gould, Frederick. 144 COB DEN CLUB. 1869 Gourley, E. T., M.P. 1868 Gow, Daniel. 1867 Graham, John. 1867 *Graham, Peter. 1866 Graham, William. 1866 Granville, Earl, K.G. 1870 Greig, Lieut.-General S., Russia. 1869 Greville, Lord. 1874 Gridley, Captain H. Gillett. 1875 Groning, Dr. Albert , Bremen. 1872 Grosvenor, Win. H. y U.S. America. 1870 Guest, Montague J. 1872 Guillemin , M. Auguste, France. 1871 Gurney, Samuel. 1873 *Gwinner, Hermann. H. 1866 Hadfield, George. 1871 * Hall, Walter. 1867 Hammond, J. Lempri&re. 1871 Hanmer, Lord. 1869 Harcourt, Sir W. Vernon, M.P. 1866 Hardcastle, Henry. 1866 * Hardcastle, J. A. LIST OF MEMBERS. >45 1867 Harris, John Dove. 1871 Harris-Gastrell, James P. 1874 *Harrison, C., M.P. 1874 Harrison, J. Fortescue, M.P. 1870 *Hartington, Right Hon. Marquis of, M.P. 1874 *Haslam, Joseph Crooke. 1871 Hassan, His Highness Prince , Egypt. 1870 Hatch, Rev. Edwin. 1867 Hatchard, Rev. J. Alton. 1870 Hatherley, Lord. 1867 Heape, Benjamin. 1866 Henderson, J., M.P. 1871 Henry, Mitchell, M.P. 1875 Herschell, Farrer, M.P. 1866 *Heywood, James. 1866 *Hibbert, J. T. 1871 Hill, Frank Harrison. 1874 *Hill, T. Rowley, M.P 1875 Hockin, E. 1872 Hodgkinson, W. E. 1871 Hodgson, Kirkman D., M.P. 1873 Hoffman , John T., U.S. America. 1870 Holden, Angus. 1866 Holden, Isaac. J 146 COB DEN CLUB. 1873 Hollins, M. D. 1869 Holms, John, M.P. 1873 *Holms, William, M.P. 1870 *Hopwood, Charles Henry, M.P. 1869 Hoskyns, Chandos Wren. 1866 Houghton, Lord. 1869 * Howard, James. 1870 Hoyle, William. 1872 Hubbuck, Thomas. 1875 Hubinet, Adolphe. 1869 Hudson, Sir James , G.C.B. 1873 Hughes, James. 1867 Humphreys, A. C. 1870 Hunting, Richard. 1873 Huntly, Marquis of. [872 *Hutton, Charles W. C. I. 1869 Illingworth, Alfred. 1875 Ingram, W. J., M.P. 1874 *Isaac, B. 1874 *Isaac, F. LIST OF MEMBERS. *47 J- 1866 Jackson, Henry Mather, M.P. 1873 Jackson, Stanway. 1866 Jackson, Sir William, Bart. 1872 James, Christopher. 1870 James, Sir Henry, M.P. 1874 James, Walter H., M.P. 1872 Jansen , Professor Julius , Russia. 1868 Jenkins, Edward, M.P. 1871 Jenour, Charles , Victoria. 1869 Jessel, Right Hon. Sir George. 1873 Johnson, Edward. 1869 Johnson , Reverdy, U.S. America. 1869 Johnston, Andrew. 1872 Johnston, M. N. } France. 1871 Johnstone, Sir Harcourt, Bart., M.P. 1871 Jones, C. H. 1875 Jump, James. 1874 *Jupe, J. IC. 1873 Kaulla, William. 1868 Kay-Shuttleworth, U. J., M.P. 148 COB DEN CLUB. 1873 Kemp, Dudley F. 1875 Kendall, Baron Von, Germany. 1873 Kensington, Lord, M.P. 1873 Kerr, R. K. Holms. 1873 Kiell, G. M. 1874 Kiemsdigh, Van, Holland. 1870 Kimberley, Earl. 1866 King, Hon. P. J. Locke. 1869 Kinsky, Count Eugene, Austro - Hungarian Empire. 1873 Knowles, R. M. 1872 *Kops, M. J. L. de Bruyn, Holland. 1869 *Kubeck, Baron Max von, Austro-Hungarian Empire. L. 1868 Labouchere, Henry. 1869 Lacaita, Sir James. 1869 *Lack, Henry Reader. 1875 Ladell, H. R. 1872 Lalande, M. A., France. 1872 Lamansky, M. E., Russia\ 1867 *Lambert, John, C.B. LIST OF MEMBERS. 149 1872 Lamplough, Charles E. 1870 Lamport, Charles. 1867 Lancaster, John. 1871 *Langley, J. Baxter. 1874 Langton , E., Melbourne, Australia. 1871 Lansdowne, Marquis of. 1868 Lanyon, C. Mortimer. 1873 Lanyon, J. C. 1871 Lascelles, Francis H. 1871 Latham, George W. 1869 Laveleye, M. Emile de, Belgium. 1869 Lavergne, M. de, France. 1867 Lawson, Right Hon. J. A. 1866 Lawson, Sir Wilfrid, Bart., M.P. 1871 Lea, Thomas. 1869 *Leake, Robert. 1867 *Lean, Vincent Stuckey. 1866 Leatham, E. A., M.P. 1873 Lees, Eli. 1866 Leeman, George, M.P. 1866 *Lefevre, Geo. Shaw, M.P. 1870 Lehardy de Beaxdieu , M. Adolphe , Belgium. 1870 Lehmann, F. 1873 Leroy-Beaulieu, M. Paul , France. COB DEN CLUB. 15 ° 1867 Leslie, T. E. Cliffe. 1870 Lesseps, Vicomte de ) France. 1869 Levy, Edward. 1872 Lewis, Charlton T., U.S. America. 1871 Lewis, Harvey. 1870 Lewis, J. Delaware. 1873 Livesy, John. 1869 Loch, George. 1870 Longfellow, H. W., U.S. America. 1870 Lubbock, Sir John, Bart., M.P. 1870 Lycett, Sir Francis. M. 1869 McArthur, Alexander, M.P. 1869 McArthur, William, M.P. 1870 *McCarthy, Justin. 1866 *McClelland, James. 1869 McClure, Sir Thomas, Bart. 1871 McCulloch , Hugh, U.S. America. 1873 McGeorge, M. 1874 Macgregor, Walter A. 1870 Macintosh, Alexander. 1869 Mackay, Baron, Holland. LIST OF MEMBERS. IS' 1875 Mackenzie, Hon. Alexander, Canada. 1872 Macknight, Thomas. 1873 McKerrow, John Begg. 1872 McMicking, Gilbert. 1875 Mackay, Charles, LL.D. 1869 Macmillan, Alexander. 1872 McMinnies, John Gordon. 1872 Madrazo, Seiior, Spain. 1871 Mahony, W. Short. 1874 Maitland, John, M.P. 1866 Mallet, Sir Louis, C.B. 1872 Marble, Manton, U.S. America. 1870 Marcoartu, Senor Arturo de. 1870 Marling, Samuel S. 1867 *Marsden, Mark Eagles. 1871 Marshall, C. H., U.S. America. 1866 Mason, Hugh. 1873 *Mason, Stephen. 1872 Mason, William. 1870 Mather, William. 1875 Menier, M., France. 1871 Mellor, Wright. 1866 Menzies, Graham. 1870 Meredith, George F. COB DEN CLUB. 152 1867 Merry, James. 1872 Mees, M. W. C., Holland. 1871 Michaelis, Herr Otto, Germany. 1872 Michell ’ T., Russia. 1875 Mijatovich, Herr, Servia. 1872 Millossovich, N. 1870 Minghetti, Signor Marco, Italy. 1871 Minturn, Robert B., U.S. America. 1875 Mitchell, John. 1866 Moffat, George. 1872 Mongredien, A. 1866 Monk, C. ]., M.P. 1874 *Moore, A. ]., M.P. 1868 Moore, George. 1873 Moore, J. S., U.S. America. 1868 Moran, Benjamin, U.S. America. 1871 More, R. Jasper. 1872 Moray Prendergast, Senor Don Sigismundo, Spain. 1866 Morier, R. B. D., C.B. 1866 Morley, Samuel, M.P. 1872 Moser, Senor Eduardo, Portugal. 1874 Mozley, Alfred. 1869 Mundella, A. J., M.P. LIST OF MEMBERS. 153 1874 Mure, Col., M.P. 1871 Muren, Peter, Sweden. 1875 * Murray , K. B., Paris. 1869 Muspratt, E. K. N. 1869 Napoleon, H.I.H. Prince Jerome, France. 1871 Nasse, Herr Erwin , Germany. 1871 Neal, John Dodd. 1868 Neill, Robert. 1871 Neumann, Dr. Francis, Austro-Hungarian Empire. 1875 Newall, J. L. 1873 *Noel, Ernest, M.P. 1872 Nordhoff, Charles , U.S. America. 1870 Northbrook, His Excellency Lord. 0 . 1874 O’Callaghan, Hon. Wilfrid F. 0 ., M.P. 1873 Olcott, Thomas L., U.S. America. 1869 Ollivier, M. £mile, France. 1872 *Oppenheim, Ernest. 1871 Oppenheimer, Charles. x 54 COBDEN CLUB. 1872 Oppert, Emil Daniel. 1872 Oppert, Dr. Gustavus. 1874 Orton, William, U.S. America. 1872 Orts, M., Belgium. 1869 Osborn, Win. H., U.S. America. 1866 *Otway, Arthur J. 1871 Ouvry, Colonel Henry Aime, C.B. 1870 Overbeck, M. Gustavus von, Austro-Hungarian Empire. 1873 *Oxley, T. Louis. P. 1867 Pagan, John Thomson. 1872 *Page, Henry. 1872 Pagezy, M. Jules, France. 1872 Palacio, Senor Francesco Gomez,'Mexico. 1870 Paris, H.R.H. Comte de, France. 1874 Parkes, Hon. H, Sydney, New South Wales. 1 87 3 *Parry, Serjeant John Humffreys. 1872 Passy, M. Frederic, France. 1872 Passy, M. Hippolyte, France. 1872 Pastor, Senor, Spain. 1870 *Paterson, John. LIS 7 OF MEMBERS. 155 1875 Paterson, J. 1866 Paulton, A. W. 1867 Pease, Joseph W., M.P. 1871 Pell, Alfred, Jim., U.S. America. 1871 Pender, John, M.P. 1866 Pennington, F., M.P. 1873 Pereira de Andrada, J. 1870 Perry, Professor A rthur L atham , U. S. A in erica. .1866 Peto, Sir S. Morton, Bart. 1868 Phillips, Charles. 1875 Phillips, H. N. 1871 Pierson, M. N. G., Holland. 1866 Pilkington, James. 1873 Platt, Samuel. 1874 Plowden, W. C. 1869 Pochin, Henry Davis. 1870 Pocock, William. 1866 Pope, Samuel. 1871 Potter, Arthur Bayley. 1868 Potter, Edmund Crompton. 1872 Potter, Howard, U.S. America. 1870 *Potter, John Henry. 1871 Potter, Rupert. 1866 *Potter, Thomas Bayley, M.P. COB DEN CLUB. 156 1866 Potter, Thomas Ashton. 1869 Price, William Edwin, M.P. 1866 Price, W. P. 1872 Princeteau, M., France. 1866 *Probyn, J. W. 1871 Pulley, Joseph. 1871 * Purdy, William. R. 1875 Ralli, P., M.P. 1873 *Ramsden, Sir James. 1871 Ransome, R. C. 1867 Rathbone, Samuel Greg. 1867 Rathbone, William, M.P. 1872 Rawlings, Edward. 1866 Rawson, Henry. 1869 Redpath, James , US. America. 1872 Renouard , M. Charles , France. 1872 *Renshaw, A. G. 1871 Renton, James Hall. 1872 Reybaud, M. Louis , France. 1870 Reyntiens, M., Belgium. 1866 Rich, Anthony. LIST OF MEMBERS. 157 1869 *Richard, Henry, M.P. 1869 Richter, O., Norway. 1874 Rickert, Herr, Germany. 1871 Ridgway, W. H. 1867 Ripon, Marquis of, ICG. 1875 *Ripley, J. W., M.P. 1870 *Robarts, C. H. 1867 *Robinson, John. 1869 Roden, W. S. 1872 Rodriguez, Seiior Gabriel, Spain. 1866 Rogers, Professor J. E. Thorold. 1870 Rollo, Lord. 1871 Rose, Sir John, Bart. 1871 Rosebery, Earl. 1873 Roth, Camillo. 1871 Rothschild, Baron Lionel N. de. 1871 Rothschild, Nathaniel M. de, M.P. 1867 Rouher, M., France. 1867 Roundell, Charles Savile. 1874 Rowsell, F. W. 1870 Ruggles, Samuel B., U.S. America. 1871 Rusden, R. D. 1866 Russell, Earl, K.G. 1873 Russell, Lord Arthur J. E., M.P. COB DEN CLUB. I5 8 1871 Russell, His Excellency Lord Odo. 1866 *Rutson, Albert. 1873 Rylands, John. 1869 Rylands, Peter. 1867 Ryley, Thomas C. S. 1870 St. Albans, Duke of. 1873 Salomon, Peter. 1873 Salt, Sir Titus, Bart. 1868 Samuda, J. D’Aguilar, M.P. 1870 Samuelson, Henry B. 1870 * Sands, Mahlon, U.S. America. 1869 Sapieha, Prince, Austro-Hungarian Empire. 1871 Sargeaunt, J. P. 1870 Sargeaunt, William C. 1870 Saxton, N. 1872 Say, M. Leon, France. 1869 Schaeffer, Chevalier de, Austro-Hungarian Empire. 1873 *Schifif, Alfred G. 1873 *Schiff, Ernest. 1872 Schimmelpenninch, Van der Oye, Baron W. A., Holland. LIST OF MEMBERS. 159 1869 Schulze-Delitzsch, Herr , Germany. 1872 Schurz, Carl, U.S. America. 1870 Schuster, Francis J. 1875 *Scherzer, Chevalier Charles de, Austria . 1872 Scialoja, Signor, Italy. 1869 Seely, Charles, Jun. 1870 Seisal, Vicomte de, Portugal. 1868 Seligman, Isaac. 1870 Sellar, A. C. 1872 Semensa, Gustave. 1873 Serena, L. 1872 Seneuil ' M. Courceles, France. 1870 Seymour, Alfred. 1871 *Seymour, Henry. 1867 *Shaen, William. 1875. Sharpe, Joseph, LL.D. 1868 * Sharpe, Charles. 1873 Shepherd, J. 1875 Sheridan, H. B., M.P. 1868 Sheriff, Alexander Clunes, M.P. 1872 Sherman, Isaac, U.S. America. 1872 Sieber, M. Henri, France. 1867 Sidgwick, W. C. 1875 *Simeon, Sir J. Barrington, Bart. COB DEN CLUB. 160 1869 *Simon, Serjeant, M.P. 1875 Simonin, M. L., France. 1870 Simon, M. Jules, France. 1866 *Smith, B. Leigh. 1871 Smith, George. 1866 Smith, Professor Goldwin. 1867 *Smith, Professor Henry J. Stephen. 1875 Smith, J. T. 1866 Smith, Thomas Eustace, M.P. 1872 Soares, D. G. Noqueira, Portugal. 1870 Spencer, His Excellency Earl, K.G. 1872 Sponneck, Count, Denmark. 1866 Stansfeld, Right Hon. J., M.P. 1871 Stauffenberg, Baron von, Germany. 1871 Steinthal, H. M. 1868 Steinthal, Rev. Samuel Alfred. 1868 Stern, Sigismund J. 1872 Stewart, A. T., U.S. America. I ^73 Stoehr, Emil Moritz. 1871 Stone, William Henry. 1870 Strahan, Alexander. 1871 Strutt, Hon. Henry. 1867 Sullivan, Right Hon. E. LIST OF MEMBERS. i6r 1873 Sumner , Win. G., U.S. America. 1869 Szechenyi, Count Bela, Austro-Hungarian Empire. T. 1875 Tacconi, Cav. Gaetano, Italy. 1870 Talabot, M. Paulin, France. 1866 Taylor, P. A., M.P. 1871 * Taylor, Thomas. 1871 Thcerner, M. Theodore de, Russia. 1870 *Thomas, Christopher J. 1866 Thomasson, Thomas. 1867 Thompson, George. 1866 Thompson, H. Yates. 1872 Thompson, Dr. Joseph P., LL.D., U.S. America. 1873 Townend, Thomas. 1866 Trelawney, Sir J. S., Bart. 1874 Turner, H. J. 1868 Turner, J. Fox. 1868 ^Turner, Wright. 1868 Tweedale, John. V. 1870 Valpy, Richard. 1872 * Van de Putte, M. Pranseit, Holland. K COB DEN CLUB. 162 1871 Vasconcellos, His Excellency Zacharias de Goes y Brazil. 1872 Vernadsky, Professor J., Russia. 1870 Vickers, James. 1871 Vigor, A. H. S. Stonehouse. 1866 Villiers, Right Hon. C. P., M.P. 1872 Vissering, Professor S., Holland. 1873 * Vivian, J. Brookes. 1871 Vivian, Captain Hon. John C. W. 1870 *Vivian, William. 1870 *Vivian, William, Jun. 1873 *Vivian, W. Hussey. W. 1875 Waddy, S. D., M.P. 1870 Walker, Hon. Amasa, LL.D., U.S. America. 1872 Walker, General Francis A., U.S. America. 1869 Walker, George, U.S. America. 1875 *Ward, Richard. 1870 * Warren, Edward. 1871 * Warren, T. P. 1871 Watkin, Sir E. W., M.P. 1873 Watterson, Henry, U.S. America. LIST OF MEMBERS. 163 1867 Watts, Sir James. 1867 Watts, Samuel. 1870 *Watson, T. Clemens. 1870 Wells, Hon. David A., U.S. America. 1873 Westminster, Duke of, K.G. 1869 Whipple, E. P., U.S. America. 1870 Whitbread, Samuel, M.P. 1872 White, Horace, U.S. America . 1866 White, J. 1873 White, William Arthur. 1870 White, Wm. Thompson. 1869 * Whit well, John, M.P. 1866 Whitworth, Benjamin, M.P. 1867 Whitworth, Sir Joseph, Bart. 1870 Whitworth, Robert. 1870 Wilke, Hermann C., Germany. 1869 Willans, Thomas Benjamin. 1869 * Willans, W. H. 1870 Willerding, Theodor, Sweden. 1867 Willett, Henry. 1869 Willmott, Henry. 1870 Wills, George. 1875 Wirth, Herr Max, A ustria. 1871 Wingfield, Sir Charles J„ K.C.S.I., C.B. 164 COB DEN CLUB. 1869 Wolowski, M., France. 1870 Wolverton, Lord. 1870 Woods, Henry. 1872 Woolsey, Dr. Theodore, LL.D., U.S. America . 1868 Worthington, James. 1872 Wreden, Professor Edmund, Russia. 1873 *Wren, Walter. 1873 *Wybergh, J. Y 1870 Young, Lord. Cobden Club. LIST OF FOREIGN HONORARY MEMBERS, ARRANGED UNDER THEIR RESPECTIVE COUNTRIES. U.S. AMERICA. 1868 Adams, C. F., Boston, Mass. 1873 Adams, Henry, Harvard University, Cam¬ bridge, Mass. 1869 Adams, J. Quincy, Boston, Mass. 1872 Anderson, M. B., Rochester, New York. 1869 Atkinson, Edward, Boston, Mass. 1870 Bancroft, His Excellency the Hon. George, Berlin. 1869 Beecher, Rev. Henry Ward, New York. 1866 Bigelow, Hon. John, Berlin. 1873 Bolles, Albert S., Norwich, Conn. 166 1872 1872 1872 1869 1872 1873 1873 1869 1.8 68 1869 1872 1869 1869 1872 1873 1869 1872 1870 1871 1872 1871 1871 1873 COB DEN CLUB. Bowles, Samuel, Springfield, Mass. Brown, James M., New York. Brown, Joint Crosby, New York. Bryant, W. C., New York. Cox, Jacob D., Cincinnati. Cox, Hon. Samttcl S., New York. Downie, William, Boston, Mass. Emerson, R. W., Boston, Mass. Field, Cyrus, New York. Field, David D., New York. Foster, Hon. L. F, Norwich, Conn. Garfield, General J. A., Washington. Garrison, W. Lloyd, Boston, Mass. Grosvenor, Wm. H., St. Louis. Hoffman, John T., New York. Johnson, Reverdy, Baltimore. Lewis, Charlton T., New York. Longfellow, H. W., Boston, Mass. McCtdloch, Hugh, 23, Queens Gate Gardens y London, S. W. Marble, Manton, New York. Marshall, C. Id., New York. Minium, Robt. B., New York. , Moore, J. S., New York. LIST OF MEMBERS. 167 1868 Moran, B., 20, Norfolk Terrace, Bayswater, London. 1872 Nordhoff, Charles, New York. 1873 Olcott, Thomas L., Albany. 1874 Orton, William, New York. 1869 Osborn, Wm. H., New York. 1871 Pell, Alfred, Jun. t New York. 1872 Perry, Professor Arthur Latham, Cambridge, Mass. 1872 Potter, Howard, New York. 1869 Redpath, James, Boston, Mass. 1870 Ruggles, Samuel B., New York. 1870 Sands, Mahlon, New York. 1872 Schurz, Carl, Washington. 1872 Sherman, Isaac, New York. 1872 Stewart, A. T., New York. 1873 Stunner, Professor William G., New Haven . 1872 Thompson, Dr. Joseph P., LL.D., Berlin. 1870 Walker, Hon. Amasa, LL.D., Boston, Mass. 1872 Walker, General Francis A., Washington. 1869 Walker, George, New York. 1873 Watterson, Henry, Louisville, Kentucky. 1870 Wells, Hon. David A., Norwich, Conn. 1869 Whipple, E. P., Boston, Mass. COBDEN CLUB. 168 1872 White, Horace, Chicago. 1872 Woolsey, Dr. Theodore, LL.D., Newhaven, Conn. AUSTRALIA. 1871 Jenonr, C., Victoria. 1874 Langton, E., Melbourne, Victoria. 1874 Parkes, Hon. H., Sydney, New South Wales. AUSTRO-HUNGARIAN EMPIRE. 1872 Desewffy, Coimt Aurele, pres Dcbreczin. 1875 Dorn, Dr. Alexander von, Trieste. 1869 Dilrckheim, Count, Vienna. 1869 Kinsky, Count Eugene, Vienna. 1869 Kubeck, Baron Max von, Vienna. 1871 Neumann, Dr. Francis, Vienna. 1870 Overbeck, Baron Gustavus von. 1869 Sapieha, Prince, Lemberg. 1869 Schaeffer, Chevalier dc, Austrian Consul, Japan. 1875 Schcrzer, Chevalier Charles de, Austrian Con¬ sulate, Iwndon. 1869 Szechenyi, Count Bela, Zinkindorf. 1875 Wirth, Herr Max, Vienna. BELGIUM. 1870 Corr- Vander Mceren, M. LIST OF MEMBERS. 169 1869 Couvreur, M. Auguste, Brussels. 1870 Dehesclle, M. Victor, Thimister. 1872 Fisco, M. A mile, Brussels. 1872 Fortemps, M., Brussels. 1872 Frere, M. Orban, Brussels. 3869 Laveleye, M. Emile de, Liege. 1870 Lehardy de Beaulieu, M. Adolphe, Brussels. 1872 Orts, M., Brussels. 1870 Reyntiens, M., Brussels. BRAZIL. 1872 Carr do, Senor Goao da Silva, San Paulo. 3871 Vasconcellos, His Excellency Zacharias de Goes. CANADA. 1875 Brown, Hon. George. 1875 Mackenzie, Hon. Alexander. DENMARK. 1872 Frederiksen, Professor, Copenhagen. 3872 Sponneck, Count, Copenhagen. EGYPT. 3873 Hassan, His Highness Prince. i7o COB DEN CLUB. FRANCE. 1872 . Bonnet, M. Victor, Paris. 1873 Bidenval, Comte de, Paris. 1871 Challemel-Lacour, M. Panl, Paris. 1866 Chevalier, M. Michel, Paris. 1872 Decases, Due de, Paris. 1872 D'Eichthal, M. Gustave, Paris. 1870 De Molinari, M. G., Paris. 1867 Dolfus, M. Jean. 1872 Franqueville, Comte de, Passy. 1875 Gamhetta, M. Leon, Paris. 1872 Gamier, M. Joseph, Paris. 1872 Germain, M., Paris. 1872 Guillemin, M. Auguste, Paris. 1872 Johnston, M. N., Bordeaux. 1872 Lalande, M. A., Bordeaux. 1869 Lavergne, M. de, Paris. 1873 Leroy-Beaulieu, M. Paid, Paris. 1870 Lesseps, Vicomte de. 1875 Menier, M., Paris. 1869 Napoleon, H.I.H. Prince Jerome. 1869 Ollivier, M. Emile. 1872 Pagezy, M. Jules, Montpelier. LIST OF MEMBERS. 171 1870 Paris, H.R.H. Comte de, Paris. 1872 Passy, AT. Frederic, Paris. 1872 Passy, M. Hippolyte, Paris. 1872 Princeteau, M., Paris. 1872 Renouard, M. Charles, Paris. 1872 Reybaud, M. Louis, Paris. 1867 Rouher, M., Paris. 1872 Say, M. Leon, Paris. 1872 Seneuil t AT. Courceles, Paris. 1872 Sieber, AT. Henri, Paris. 1870 Simon, AT. Jules, Paris. 1875 Simonin, AT. Louis, Paris. 1870 Talabot, M. Paulin, Paris. 1869 Wolowski, AT., Paris. GERMANY. 1871 Behr, Baron, Berlin. 1871 Brandis, Dr. Ringsdorf, Bonn. 1871 Braun, Dr. Carl, Berlin. 1870 Bunsen, Herr George von, Berlin. 1872 Delbriick, Herr, Staats Minister, Berlin. 1869 Faucher, Dr. Julius, Berlin. 1875 Groningy Dr. Albert, Bremen. 1875 Kendall, Baron von, Rome. 1871 Michaelis, Herr Otto, Berlin. 172 COB DEN CLUB. 1871 Nasse, Herr Erwin, Bonn. 1874 Rickert, Herr, Danzig. 1869 ScJmlze-Delitzsch, Herr, Berlin. 1871 Stanffenberg, Baron von, Risstissen. 1870 Wilke, Hermann C., Blomfield Street, London Wall. HOLLAND. 1874 De Dedem, Baron W. K. 1874 Gleichman, T. G., Amsterdam. 1874 Kiemsdigh, Van, Utrecht. 1872 Kops, M. J. L. de Bruyn, The Hague. 1869 Mackay, Baron, The Hague. 1872 Mees, M. W. C, The Hague. 1871 Pierson, M. N. G., Amsterdam. 1872 Schimmelpenninck Van der Oye, Baron W. A., The Hague. 1875 Tak von Poortoliet, M. T. P. K., The Hague. 1 87 5 Van de Copello, M. T. Kappeyne, The Hague. 1872 Van de Putte, M. Pransen, The Hague. 1872 Vissering, Professor S., Leide7i. ITALY. 1875 Bastogi, Count, Florence. i8 75 Boccardi, Prof. Antonio, Genoa. LIST OF MEMBERS. 173 '. 1875 Bodio, Signor L., Rome. 1872 Broglio, Signor, Rome. 1875 Capponi, Marquis Gino, Florence. 1870 Corsi, Signor Tommaso, Rome. 1872 Ferrara, Signor, Venice. 1868 Garibaldi, General, Caprera. 1875 Gori, Signor Pannilini, Siena. 1875 Martucchi, Comm. Cel so, Florence. 1870 Minghetti, Signor Marco, Rome. 1875 Peruzzi, Comm. Ubaldino, Florence. 1872 Scialoja, Signor, Rome. 1875 Tacconi, Cav. Gaetano, Bologna. MEXICO. 1872 Palacio, Sefior Francesco Gomez. NORWAY. 1872 Brock, Professor. 1869 Richter, O., Rostadt, Dronthem. PORTUGAL. 1872 Deslandes, Sefior Venanzio, Lisbon. 1870 Figaniere, Vicomte de, St. Petersburg. 1872 Moser, Sefior Eduardo, Oporto. 1870 Seisal, Vicomte de. 1872 Soares, Sefior D. G. Noqueira. 174 1870 1870 1872 1872 1870 1871 1872 1872 1375 1870 1870 1872 1869 1872 1872 1872 1872 1872 COB DEN CLUB. RUSSIA. Besobrasof M. TV., St. Petersburg. Greig, Lieut.-General S., St. Petersburg. Jansen, Professor Julius, St. Petersburg. Lamansky, M. E., St. Petersburg. Michell', T., St. Petersburg. Thcerner, M. Theodore de, St. Petersburg. Vernadsky, Professor J., Kharkof. Wreden, Professor EdmundSt. Petersburg. SERVIA. Mijatovich, Herr, Belgrade. SPAIN. Casa-Laiglesia, Marquis de. Castelar, Senor Emilio, Madrid. Echegaray, Senor, Madrid. Figuerola, Senor, Madrid. Gomez, Senor Riiiz, Madrid. Madrazo, Senor, Madrid. Moret y Prendergast, Senor Don Sigismundo. Pastor, Senor, Madrid. Rodriguez, Senor Gabriel, Madrid. LIST OF MEMBERS. *75 SWEDEN. ,1872 Berwick, M. Axel, Stockholm. ■1870 Dickson, James, Gothenburg. 1871 Muren, Peter, Gejle. 1870 Willerding, Theodor, Aldermans Walk, London. SWITZERLAND. 1874 Bohmert, Prof., University of Zurich. LONDON : CASSELL TETTER & GALIMN, BELT S SALVAGE WORKS, LUDGATE HILL, E.C. ANNUAL DINNER OF THE CO B D E N CLUB, Held at the Ship Hotel , Greenwich, Jidy 20, 1878. At the annual dinner of the Cobden Club, held at the Ship Hotel, Greenwich, Mr.W. E. Forster, the chairman, in proposing the first toast—that of “Her Majesty, the Prince and Princess of Wales, and the rest of the Royal Family,” said: In her Majesty’s long and prosperous reign I do not know that there is any greater characteristic than the progress of the well-being of the masses of her subjects. There have been ups and downs with regard to that progress, perhaps there may be some depression at the present moment, but all those here who are as oil as I am well know how different is the condition of the masses of the com¬ munity now from what it was when the Queen ascended the throne. I feel sure that there is no feature of her reign which Her Majesty regards with* more pride, or which has given her greater conso ation amid the troubles and anxieties which beset her, and nothing too, which has endeared her more to her subjects, than the sympathy she has ever shown with the sufferings of the least and the humblest amongst her people. I feel that there is a special propriety in coupling the toast which is given in every assembly of Englishmen with that of the Cobden Club, for who will doubt for a moment that the progress and well¬ being of the masses is very much owing to the principles which Cobden advocated ? (Cheers.) I have great pleasure in coupling with the health of “Her Majesty” that of our future King. COB DEN CLUB. There are special reasons why in these days of wars and rumours of wars it is a pleasure for the Cobden Club to know that the Prince of Wales, remembering that he is his father’s son, has been for the last few weeks most industriously and most efficently promoting the cause of commercial intercourse, and the cause of good-fellowship, with other nations, at the French Exhibition. (Cheers.) To my idea, also, it is a plea¬ sure to us that our future King and Queen should, in the heart of France, in Paris, have welcomed, and with such complete cordiality have accepted, the verdict of the French people in regard to their Republic. (Loud cheers.) They have done as much as it is possible for them to do— and that is a great deal to cement good fellowship and friendship between England and France. (Loud cheers.) The Chairman, on rising to propose the toast of the evening, after a cordial reception, said, —Gentlemen, several times I have had the pleasure of being at our annual dinner, but I have never before had the high honour of giving the toast of “The Cobden Club.” I suppose every chairman who has to do that has asked himself why there is a Cobden Club, why it was established, why it has been maintained as vigorously up to this moment as it was at the beginning P Well, most certainly the object of forming it was not that we should pay an annual tribute to that great man. That was not needed. (Hear, hear.) All England, even his old opponents, concurred in that tribute. Nor should we ever have established the Cobden Club in order to express any slavish adherence to his opinions. We have established and maintained this Club because we aim generally at Mr. Cob- den’s objects, and because we sympathise with hi*s motives and desire to be actuated by them, because we share in his sympathy with the masses, his desire to advance their welfare, his convic¬ tion that the welfare of the masses of his fellow countrymen might best be promoted, not by any selfish object, not‘even by any special national object, but by the welfare of other countries and of the world generally. (Hear, Hear.) He has often been charged with being cosmopolitan. W hy was he cosmopolitan? Because it was to liis mind—and I believe he was right—the highest form of patriotism. Well, W* Tw xl S ob J ects? 1 win not detain you with them, but you Know that they were mainly associated with the well-beiim of Lnd wf S ~ general e , duca J ti ?h Parliamentary reform, better land laws, more equal and lighter taxation. They wore all ANNUAL DINNER. great objects, though I think above all were his efforts for Free Trade and for peace. (Cheers.) And no doubt it is worth while at this particular moment that we should a little consider what were the two grand characteristics of his conduct, and of his actions, which marked his political career, and enabled him to succeed in doing so much for the good of his country. These two characteristics were mainly, first, courage, and then common-sense. No opposition discouraged Cobden—no Parlia¬ mentary majority alarmed him (loud cheers), no wane of pub¬ lic opinion made him lose his foothold. He possessed more than most men that virtue —and without its possession by the most eminent politicians of a country, that coimtry is in danger of losing permanent constitutional freedom—he possessed, more than most men with whom I have come in contact, the virtue of with¬ standing the temporary impulse of popular opinion, and forc¬ ing it to reconsider its verdict. His other great characteristic was his common-sense. But common-sense with him was what, I think, common-sense generally is, it was wisdom. It mainly consisted in looking at facts as they are, and in stripping them of illusions. I will not say that all the inferences he made were correct inferences. I sometimes differed from him: but there is another great man who has had much to do in forming all that is good and all that is best in English character, very unlike Cobden in some things, very like him in others —I mean Mr. Carlyle. I constantly differ from Mr. Carlyle, but I always feel that his way of looking at things, and getting at the real mean¬ ing of things, is a real help to understanding them. (Hear, hear.) And that was the great characteristic of Cobden; he looked at facts as they were, though his inferences I could not always agree with. Many of you might agree with every one of his inferences. I did not: but when I did not I was obliged always to acknowledge that they were inferences which, if they were for a moment one-sided, were in opposition to extravagant inferences on the other side. His views, especially with regard to the colonies and India, were an answer to ex¬ travagant inferences on the other side. So, if it were true, which I rather doubt, that he ever advocated the doctrine of peace-at-any-price, I am quite sure it was merely a necessary answer to the advocates of war at a mere paltry price. (Hear, hear.) Now, why have I ventured to pay this tribute to Cobden’s character, which is not wanted at our meetings ? It is merely this. Because I think we have to consider a little what Cobden COB DEN CLUB . himself would have felt in regard to the position of England at this moment. (Cheers.) If this Club, instead of being a Cobden Club, was merely a Free Trade one, and I have heard it mentioned as if it were, or ought to be, a merely Free Trade Club—I should content myself with attempting to review the present position of Free Trade now, as compared with previous years. If I did detain you with such a review, it wo.dd, perhaps, be a little more hopeful than what I sometimes hear; but I trust we shall receive some information on that point. On my left there is a gentleman from America who will, I think, have something to tell you on the subject of the prospects of America, and who may be able to tell you something which will show that we are in a more hopeful state in regard to Free Trade in America than is generally believed. On my right there is a representative of the model colony of New South Wales. I have close by me a gentleman from Spain, Senor Pablo Bosch, who will tell us what is the position of his country in that respect, and I should like to tell him that even in this Conservative Parliament we have not absolutely forgotten all ideas of Free Trade. (Cheers.) I won't detain you with an examination of the Cattle Bill, which has been occupying our attention in the last few days. When I had to make a long speech about it directly after the Anglo-Turkish Convention was presented, it was as much as I could do to listen to myself (hear, hear, and laughter), but, notwithstanding that, the course of that Bill shows that we are not going to give up Free Trade. I do not think it was intended as a measure of Protection but it would have resulted in Protection. Even the Conserva¬ tive majority know that the country is so determined to be Free-Trading that the very statement that it would result in Pro¬ tection obliged then to modify it, and to take very much from it its Protectionist meaning: and I hope my Spanish friend will take this fact back to Spain, and tell his countrymen that we have succeeded in keeping up our free importations of Spanish cattle, and that he will be able to make use of this as an argument in his country, where it must be admitted Free Trade principles have not obtained much power over legislation. But this is not merely a Free Trade Club ; it is a Cobden Club, and I repeat we have a little to consider what Cobden would probably have felt and said if he had been living at this moment. Would that he were alive. I don’t know that I ever missed him so much as I do now, with his wonderful clearness of expression, with his extra¬ ordinary power of persuasion, which, as I have felt myself, ANNUAL DINNER. was more convincing than that of any speaker I ever heard; for it was as much as ever one could do, when one heard him, to prevent one’s self from thinking one was a fool for differing from what he said. If he were alive now, what a speech he would make on this Anglo-Turkish Treaty. (Cheers.) I cannot make his speech, nobody could—but I can try to feel a little about it; and just for a moment let us consider what is the position in which suddenly, and without any warning, either to this country or to Foreign Powers, our Government, after inveighing against secret understandings or special treaties between Turkey and any other Power, after declaring to the British Nation that its great object was to prevent any aggression upon Turkey, has placed us. (Hear, hear.) Our Government has taken from Turkey an island, which I suppose they consider valuable, in order to exercise a protectorate, which I maintain, if it means anything, means our exercising a dominion over the whole of Turkey in Asia—that is, over a country of about the magnitude of France, Spain, and Italy together. Why have they done this? This is not a place for entering into all the arguments. I sup¬ pose we shall have enough of the subject next week: but I think I may a little consider what has been the result, and if the Government absolutely get their way the different position in which England is now from what she has hitherto been. Well, we have rejoiced that this country is an island, and that, through the fact of its being an island, it was not necessary for us to keep a large European standing army. What is it that the Government has done? They have made us into a Continental Power. (Cheers.) Do not suppose that protecting Turkey in Asia is the same thing as having a dominion in India. Turkey in Asia is geographically in Asia: but it is on the borders of the Mediter¬ ranean, a European sea, and no one would deny that any Power which attempts to exercise dominion or power over Turkey in Asia is trying to interfere with the present relations of the European nations one to another, because, by the very fact. of the Treaty having been entered into, we are losing our position as an insular Power, and trying to engage in all the difficulties, complications, and dangers of one of the large Continental Powers. Another thing here suggests itself. Surely there could not have been a greater advantage to England than that, with her widely extended Empire, she has had no frontier in any European country. We have no frontier except with our friends in the United States, and we know that there will never be any COBDEN CLUB. quarrel between us and them again. (Loud cheers.) One must often have been asked why should France and Germany keep such large standing armies P We have been obliged to reply that France had her frontier on Germany, and Germany her frontier on France, and that they were compelled to watch one another. We in England have had a frontier to the sea. Now we have observed that at last our Government is trying to make us have a frontier along the whole of the Asiatic territory of Turkey— a frontier to Russia. That seems to me the most unwise and the most reckless act that any Government has ever perpetrated. (Loud cheers.) Well, then there are those — I am not one of them—who think that the one thought which possesses the minds of Russian states¬ men, politicians, and people, is the attacking India. (Hear, hear.) I do not believe it, and I find that even the Ministerial speakers on Thursday night disavowed it. But, if Russia does mean to attack India, what are we doing ? Instead of leaving Russia the difficulty of marching across the wilds of Central Asia and over the mountains of the Himalayas, we choose to tie up Turkey in Asia with India, they having really nothing to do with one another, and we say to Russia, “If you wish to attack India do not come to meet us in India, but oblige us to meet you in the mountains of Armenia, close to your own resources. " (Cheers.) And then, again, there are some who say that it is not that we fear actual attack upon India, but that we fear intrigue in India. Well, if there have been intrigues — and I very much doubt it— remember this, Russia has supposed, rightly or wrongly — if you read the ministerial papers, and believe them, you would say that Russia rightly has supposed — that we intended to attack and to thwart her in the West and in Europe. Accordingly, she would naturally try to take her revenge in the East and in India. But, if it be true that there are these intrigues — I think they are grossly exaggerated, and, indeed, I am very doubtful whether they exist — will there be no intrigues in Asia P Will it not be vastly easier to have intrigues in Turkey in Asia than in Europe P Why, I saw to-day a story which is very likely true— of course there are many stories in the newspapers which are not true, but this seems not unlikely to be correct — that Russia is appointing consuls in every great town in the English Protecto¬ rate, and intrigues may follow from that. Again, there are those who think that Russia is always wishing for war with England. I do not believe it; I believe it is the greatest possible mistake; ANNUAL DINNER. but I will say this—that whatever we may think of the conduct of Russia — and I disapprove of a good deal of it—I have never- read or heard of such articles in her newspapers as we see so continually written in our own. I never heard of articles in them that would be so likely to provoke ill-blood, or ill-feeling, as the* articles which week after week and day after day are written here about Russia, and the Russian people and pohcy. If it be the case that there is a hostile feeling in Russia, we may thank the unfair conduct of the English Press, or a large part of it. When Russia shows a pacific tendency, Russian statesmen are charged with cowardice. Sometimes when I read these articles, I wonder whether the men who wrote them have for one moment con¬ sidered what would be the feeling of the English people, if similar articles appeared in Russian papers, and my only consolation was that not many Russians read English, and scarcely any Englishmen read Russian papers. There has been an absolute forgetfulness of Mr. Cobden’s great maxim in foreign pohcy, which was, that we should do unto others as we would be done by, not merely in action, but in speaking and thinking of others. But granted, if you choose to grant it, that Russia has hostile intentions towards England ; what, then, is the meaning of this Treaty ? That we give to this country with hostile inten¬ tions the opportunity of seizing its own moment for declaring war with us, and of subjecting us to intolerable burdens and in¬ tolerable difficulties. I should have thought that with our small army — I doubt whether it will continue a comparatively small army —we should have felt that our greatest strength lay in being able to seize for ourselves this opportunity of interfering. For instance, in the late Franco-German War, we were bound to guarantee Belgium, and we were able to take our own oppor¬ tunity, when ten or fifteen thousand Englishmen thrown into Ant¬ werp would have made all the difference on one side or the other. But what has this Government done ? It has begun by giving this guarantee for the Turkish possessions, and it has given Russia the opportunity of seizing, any moment she wishes to seize, when we are embarrassed with any difficulty, either with India or any foreign country, to oblige us either to defend that guarantee by the greatest possible sacrifices, or to accept the humiliation, as it would be then, of giving it up. (Cheers.) But I have not yet mentioned the greatest objection which I feel to this Treaty and this Convention, and which I hope many of you feel—namely, that England and Her Majesty the Queen have been COBDEN CLUB. forced by this Government to guarantee the worst possible Government that at this moment exists. (Hear, hear.) I may be told that guaranteeing it against the attacks of Russia is not guaranteeing the existence of that Government; but, I don’t think that answer will be maintained. You guarantee a government when you guarantee it against the consequences of misgovemment; and the consequences of mis- government, generally speaking, are insurrection and rebellion. (Hear, hear.) If you guarantee a country against rebellion, you make yourself responsible for securing that that government shall not so govern that rebellion will be justifiable. I believe that if you rightly read the despatches of Lord Salisbury, you will find that they actually guaranteed the Sultan of Turkey against insurrection on the part of his own subjects (hear, hear), but we have certainly guaranteed him against the assistance which his rebellious subjects would naturally obtain from Russia. The punishment for misgovemment in Turkey is rebellion as¬ sisted by Russia. We remove from the Sultan the fear of that punishment, and, in so doing, I say we make ourselves responsible for good government in Turkey. (Cheers.) In name the Govern¬ ment have not denied that responsibility. They say that reforms must be introduced. Well, we have had enough of the introduc¬ tion of reforms into Turkey. (Hear, hear.) Reforms have been introduced by one Hatti Scherif and one order after another. How are reforms to be established and earned out P And here we come to the great inducement of this scheme. Now, there are in this scheme many bribes. There is a bribe first to the place-hunters. ( Hear, hear.) I am not inveighing against place- hunters. There are many men, Indian servants and others, who would do a great good, and have a very useful career in Turkey in Asia, and they are naturally in favour of a government which would give them that career. Then there is a bribe to the trading interests, or rather to the speculative interests. I am told that there is a Euphrates Valley Railway scheme being got up, and that we are to be asked to guarantee it a large percentage. (Laughter.) Of course all the promoters, and all the engineers con¬ nected with the company, will very much wish for the suc¬ cess of the Convention. Then there is a bribe to the Chauvinists I am glad to say that lntherto I have been obliged to take a InThhih 01 - d n X K S them - who from music halls, the city, anxiJtWn m P ? Maii, announce in the most open way their anxiety to send out their fellow subjects to kill or be killed, and ANNUAL DINNER . feel that they are vindicating English honour by so doing. But the greatest bribe of all is that to the philanthropists, who are told, “ Oh enter into this Convention, because by so doing you will reform Turkey in Asia, and introduce good government there. ” Well, I don’t know that it is our special duty to reform the world. (Hear, hear.) Indeed, I think if you look into the question of reforming the rest of the world you will feel that a country which has taken upon itself the task of looking after 250,000,000 of Hindoos has about done its share. (Cheers.) But this I do say, that although I do not believe it is our duty to set about reforming Asiatic Turkey, I am quite sure that if the Government insists on this guarantee, then it may become our duty. (Hear, hear.) It would not be our duty unless the Government stepped out of the way and made it so ; but if they guarantee, as they appear to have done by this Convention, Turkey in Asia against Russian aggression, and therefore against misgovernment by the Sultan, it is, or must become our duty, at any cost, to see that Turkey is well governed. (Hear, hear.) Well, I will not say we cannot fulfil that duty. I know very well that John Bull thinks he can do anything, and there is very much he can do; but there is one thing that he cannot do,“he cannot give Turkey in Asia good government through Turkish Pashas. (Cheers.) If, therefore, we are to govern Turkey well, that good government will and must end in annexation. (Cheers.) I don’t believe that the Govern¬ ment mean that. I believe that their words about good govern¬ ment in Turkey are meant for comparatively very little more than a paper despatch. But it is our business to take care that we do not commit the crime of upholding a bad Government, without securing good government. If John Bull sets himself to fulfil this duty, how can he do it ? There are two ways by which he may try to do it. He may try to do it by enormously increasing the British Army, that is by conscription, or by means of an immense Oriental Army, Indian or Ottoman, in either case at enormous cost. I don’t know what the income tax would be, and all the duties we have abolished must come back: but the sound finance which Cobden used to say was the secret of good government will have to disappear, as he always said it would, if you had not a sound foreign policy. We shall have to choose between conscription or an enormons Sepoy army. The country at first will not choose conscription; but 1 believe you will have to come to it, for you will want conscription to watch your large Oriental armies. I wou c 10 COB DEN CLUB. rather have it at once than I would see England cease to be a European Power, and become an Asiatic one, relying for her Continental and European policy upon a larger Oriental and dependent army. I will not detain you much longer, but one other action of the Government must be commented on. This tremendous change in policy, by far the greatest which I have known in my political life, has been undertaken, without infor¬ mation to foreign Powers who are our allies. They may complain. I do not know whether they complain or not: but whether they do so or not, there is one power, at least a power which did exist a few months ago, which has a right to complain, and that is the British Parliament — the representatives of the people of this country. (Loud cheers.) This is the first time—I don’t know that it will be the last— that a perfectly new policy, as reckless, as wild and as dangerous as it is new, has been embarked upon, and an attempt has been made irrevocably to commit the country to it without the slightest intimation to Parliament (loud cheers), without a hint even being given to Parliament. (Hear, hear.) I may be told Parliament will not complain. Very likely it is true that it wall not complain: but that is the way liberties have been lost (cheers), that is the way Imperialist ideas have possessed other countries; that is the way Con¬ stitutional government has disappeared. It has been through the Parliament of the day being so fascinated, and so possessed by a special policy, and so brought under a special influence, that it has forgotten how necessary it is to preserve our liberties, and that, whether they agree with the policy or not, the one thing which they are bound to preserve, if they would preserve the rights which are placed in their keeping, is that the Government shall not be allowed to commit the country to a positively new policy. Well, now, gentlemen, it is not for me to ask you what is to be done at this time. There is not a man here who takes an interest in public affairs, but what wishes to do his duty. We are going in the House to make what protest we can. (Loud cheers.) We shall not succeed ; there will be a large majority probably against us. I am sorry for it; but that fact does not for one moment discourage me from making that protest. (Hear, hear.) I dare say that some of you will think that during the negotiations, during the last few months, we ought not to have been careless about divisions. I am not surprised at your thinking so : perhaps if I had foreseen what has now happened, 1 should have thought the same. But, remember, the circumstances ANNUAL DINNER. were then very different from what they are now. The Govern¬ ment—one which we knew that we could not turn out — were conducting negotiations, and our great object and desire was not to give the Government an opportunity, an excuse, or a temptation to drag the country into war. Some of us thought that if we went to a division, and got a large majority, we might encourage Russia in warlike action: and, on the other hand, that if we got a small minority, we might encourage our own Govern¬ ment in a warlike policy. But, whether we were right or wrong, these fears do not apply to the present circumstances. The only thing we have to consider now is whether it is our duty to make this protest, to take a division, and to car 3 but little comparatively about the majority against us. I am one of those, and I am very glad that I can speak for your late chairman, and our present and trusted leader, Lord Harrington (cheers) —who also agrees with it —who think, that it matters little comparatively whether there be a large or a small number who go with us on this question. We shall at any rate have made our protest (hear, hear), and we believe that there is no use in a Liberal Party, if they have not the courage of their opinions, and that it is their duty to disregard defeat, unless they believe, which at present we do not, that by taking action they endanger the country. We may give the country an opportunity of considering the matter by a long debate, and by the arguments which may be adduced. There still remains the question of what is the duty of you, who agree with me, in this great crisis in our foreign policy and in our history. It will be our duty and your duty, not merely in Parliament, but out of it — and in giving the health of “The Cobden Club” I feel that I am giving that of a band of men who, whether they do or do not agree with all Mr. Cobden’s opinions, yet are actuated by his spirit—through good report and through ill report, to do your utmost to prevent the country from being absolutely committed to this dangerous policy, and, if possible, to seize the first opportunity of reversing it. (Loud and protracted cheers.) Mr. Peter Rylands, M.P., in responding to the toast, said: Mr. Chairman and gentleman, I feel very much indebted to my fellow members of the committee of the Cobden Club, for having done me the great honour of requesting me to respond to the toast, which has been proposed in a speech remarkable for its statesmanlike breadth. I think, gentlemen, that our highly respected Chairman has by his speech proved that the Cobden 12 COB DEN CLUB. Club is not, as many have I think very unwisely supposed, a Club simply for the propagation of Free Trade doctrines. Cobden, in his lifetime, was spoken of by foreigners as an international man. It was a reputation which gave to Cobden a great distinc¬ tion in England. At the same time it proved that foreign nations had an appreciation of the noble principles which guided his career. Mr. Cobden was no doubt an international man, and we, the Cobden Club, are an international club. Now what do I mean when I say we are an international club ? I mean that we oppose that gospel of selfishness which has been taught in high places in this country—that doctrine of interna¬ tional rivalry, a doctrine entirely inalien to the first principles of the Cobden Club. We, the members of the Club, holding aloof as we do these great principles to which Mr. Cobden devoted his life, maintain that we do not preach the gospel of selfishness, and we are sneered at by the Prime Minister, as though we had no patriotism. Gentlemen, there is a true British patriotism, and at the same time there is such a thing as a pinchbeck patriotism. (Cheers.) What is true patriotism ? What are the true interests of Great Britain ? Are they that we should set ourselves against other countries, and that we should hold up the old creed of the balance of power in Europe P What we believe to be British patriot¬ ism is, that we should seek as far as possible to promote the general advantage of mankind; not by war, not by jealousy, and not by at¬ tempting national aggrandizement. Now, one of the great princi¬ ples taught by Cobden—the foundation of his teaching, in fact— was that the interest of every individual was the interest of the nation, and that the interests of nations were in common. That was the great principle which lay at the root of Cobden’s teaching. Those of us who acted with Cobden, in the agitation created by the Corn Law League, knew that we were able to prove that the interests of those who thought that they would gain by monopoly, were really only the interests of the rest of the nation. When we secured the repeal of the Corn Laws, and established Free trade, we gave advantages to the corn growers, and to the classes who thought they benefited by protection, as well as to the traders and the mass of the population. We believe that the interests of all nations are interests in common, and we maintain that the Government by their action tend to create discord and rivalry among the nations of Europe. I am alluding to the question of the balance of power. The right lion, gentleman m the chair has remarked with great propriety upon the course ANNUAL DINNER. 13 which the Government is now taking. No doubt that course is taken with the idea of securing public approbation and admira¬ tion. We, as the Cobden Club, ought to remember that we are placed in this position, that we have to meet a state of public opinion which is very much excited—a feeling which in my judgment is entirely mistaken—a feeling in favour of the policy of the present Government. I remember a similar state of things in 1855. I recollect that reactionary wave of public opinion throughout the country, which swept Mr. Bright, Mr. Milner Gibson, and Mr. Cobden, for the time, out of Parliament. We are now in the midst of a similar wave of popular feeling no doubt. This feeling is entirely opposed to the principles of Cobden. We must not yield to it; we must hold up still higher our standard of Cobden’s principles. (Cheers.) In every instance where Cobden’s policy has been adopted by the country, it has led to our general prosperity and welfare. Let us remember that we must hold fast to those principles, which in the history of this country have proved to be to the advantage and welfare of the mass of our fellow countrymen, and let us seek still further to maintain the teaching of Richard Cobden. Well, Mr. Chairman, no doubt there are two issues before us. It may be that Mr. Cobden’s high views of foreign policy will be adopted by this country, and, if so, it will be not only to the advantage of Great Britain, but to the advantage of mankind. Although we, as the Cobden Club, are not responsible for the disasters which are likely to follow from the non-adoption of this policy, yet we feel it our duty to maintain to the utmost of our power those principles which we believe to be intimately connected with the prosperity of this Empire, and the great ad¬ vantage of the whole of Europe. (Applause.) Mr. Fawcett, M. P., having been called upon by the chairman, said: You will perhaps, sir, allow me to remark that, greatly as I have enjoyed this evening, my pleasure has been vastly en¬ hanced by your speech. (Cheers.) I think that in the present condition of the Liberal Party, and in view of what I regard as the unfortunate fits of lassitude that have occasionally come over it, you could not have conferred a greater service upon that Party in the House of Commons, and in the country, than you have done by reminding them of that cardinal maxim of Mr. Cobden’s conduct, that he was one who was never afraid of a Parliamentary majoritv. I hope that that will be in the future, much more than it 'has been during the last four years, the guiding principle 14 COB DEN CLUB. of our Parliamentary conduct. (Cheers.) Most heartily do I reciprocate, gentlemen, and most gratefully do I respond to every word that our respected chairman has said about the atti¬ tude of the Liberal Party with regard to the question on which he has just spoken. He has rightly said that we ought to do what we can to shew well in a division, but that, whatever, may be the number of votes to be reckoned against a policy which is so injurious to our country, it is a matter of trifling impor¬ tance compared with the incalculable advantage of she wing those whom we represent in this country, and of showing those who, under adverse circumstances, are upholding Liberal principles among the constituencies, that at least we in the House of Commons have the courage of our opinions, and that, whether we are in a large or in a small minority, we will never shrink from carrying our opinions to the logical and legitimate conclusion. (Loud cheers.) The words of Vtr. Forster bear no uncertain sound (hear, hear), and I believe that in the minds of a large part of the con¬ stituencies of England, it will be felt to be a matter of considerable importance in relation to the position occupied by the Liberal Party that a change of policy is going to be commenced—that what has happened in the past, on occasions to which I do not wish more particularly to allude, will not recur in the future ; that whatever may be the fate of the motion of Lord Hartington, we are going to adopt the bold course of taking a division, and that such will be our course whenever great Liberal principles have to be defended, or the great cause of civil and religious equality has to be maintained. (Cheers.) I can only say that I think the Liberal Party might have done something more in the past, and I believe it is going to do something more in the future. I do not wish in the slightest degree to escape from sharing the respon¬ sibility which belongs to our shortcomings; but I may say— recurring to that admirable maxim of Mr. Cobden, that you should never be afraid of a Parliamentary majority—that many a time have I walked home from the House of Commons,sad and dejected at the thought that I had not the courage of my opinions, and had shrunk from a division; and therefore I say I think this maxim applies just as much to myself as to anyone else. With regard to the important question of foreign policy, which is now engaging the attention of all of us, I feel that the subject is far too large for me to enter upon it. But,Iwishto express my agreement with r - orster on one point. However much we may condemn the conduct of the Government of this country in conspiring with ANNUAL DINNER. 15 the Russian Government, without the knowledge of England and the rest of Europe, and for making no protest against the spoliation of Roumania by Russia, greatly must we condemn their con¬ duct in deluding the unfortunate Greeks—and the Prime Minister for having on Thursday night displayed what (to use the mild¬ est expression for it) I must call contemptuous cynicism towards that people. This is not all. The sense of injustice—for such it is—which the Greeks must feel is not that their nation have not obtained a slice of Turkey; what they most chiefly feel is, that they rested on the promises and assurances of the Govern¬ ment of a great and magnanimous nation, and that they have been grossly and basely deceived. (Cheers.) Now, gentlemen, I hope that after the coming debate in the House of Commons, the Greeks will at least see that there are some Englishmen who, at such a moment as this, when they are suffering under a sense of the wrong which I have described, are prepared to say some¬ thing very different from the gibe which was uttered by the Prime Minister on Thursday last. But, after all, what we most condemn in the conduct of the Government, what we as English¬ men are bound most strongly to protest against, is their determina¬ tion to involve this country in a great responsibility without first consulting the wishes of Parliament. (Hear, hear.) Again and again have the Government acted of late as if it were a great satisfaction and a great pleasure to them to do important things without having previously consulted Parliament. Many a Minister has risen to such a height that he has at last become dazzled at the altitude which he has attained, and the result has been that his fall has been rapid and his humiliation complete; and I cannot help thinking that although Lord Beaconsfield and Lord Salisbury may at the present time be very popular, yet they have gone a little too far, that the tide is beginning to turn, and that they will find that however much people may for a time be dazzled by a showy and meretricious foreign policy, yet there are certain principles which we have inherited from our forefathers, and that, having gained them after many a hard and difficult struggle, the nation will not surrender them. (Cheers.) I believe that when this question of foreign policy comes home to the minds of the English people, they would almost as soon let a foreign invader obtain a foothold in this island as they would, for the sake of a hybrid Imperialism, allow Parliamentary institutions to be set aside. (Great cheering.) The fabric of the Constitution has been built COB DEN CLUB. up after many a hard struggle, and the English people are deeply attached to it. I believe that this feeling of attachment is shared equally by Conservatives and Liberals, and I cannot help thinking that if the present Ministry continue what they have been attempting recently, that is to engage this country in a great responsibility in Asiatic Turkey, and to treat us as if we were simply a herd of cattle or a flock of sheep (cheers),' to be driven wherever a reckless driver may choose to make us go. (Hear, hear.) I say I think signs are not wanting that if they again attempt to do this they will not be successful; but will, on the contrarj r , find themselves woefully mistaken. (Cheers.) At any rate, there are men in the House of Commons who, at the earliest possible opportunity, will bring this question before the public. There are some of us, gentlemen, at least—and Mr. Forster has told us this evening that he is one—who, however small may be the minority, will not shrink for a single moment from fighting this contest out to the very utmost, with a determination that this country shall not become involved in a great responsibility, and shall not have thrown upon it indefinite obligations without that free people being consulted upon whom the burden would ultimately have to fall, and with whom the misfortune of such folly would rest. (Cheers. ) Last night I was talking in the House of Commons to a friend of mine about this protectorate. I asked him what people in the commercial world thought about it—he is, I may remark, busily mixed up with mercantile affairs—and he replied, ‘ ‘ People who have been in favour of the Govern¬ ment don t like it; they have begun to shake their heads, and they say that we are asked to put our names to a doubtful bill of unknown amount.” (Hear, hear.) This is, I think, a very happy description of the matter. Following out the parallel, I may remark that it seems to me like the case of a partner hi a large firm who, having been abroad, has come back to his co¬ partners and said to them, “I have entered into unknown obliga¬ tions; 1 don t know what is the amount involved ; I never thought about that, and I now only want your consent; you are all mixed up in the transaction, and all I desire is your approval of my snowy performance.” lam exceedingly doubtful whether the English people will be disposed to offer that kind of obsequious ornage. Mr. Forster has sketched out this evening a vigorous cheSS f )° rthe Llberal Part y> and 1 at least will support it. (Loud Sir Charles Dilke then rose to propose the toast of, “Our ANNUAL DINNER. *7 foreign and colonial friends who are present.’ ’ He said: My friend on my right (Mr. Fawcett) said in his speech that he was to be followed by some gentlemen who have had few occasions of addressing large audiences in this country—our foreign and colonial friends. I can hardly appear before you in that capacity, but my excuse for rising is that I am called upon by our chair¬ man to bring before you those gentlemen to whom I refer. One of the most honoured of the toasts of the Cobden Club is that of our foreign and colonial guests. We have, as you all know, a large number of honorary members living out of England. We have members in all parts of the world, and in all our English colonies, and we have a good representation of those members here to-night. There are here honorary members of the Club from America, there is one from Holland, there are gentlemen from Spain, and several from the Australian colonies. I shall couple with this toast the names of four or five friends repre¬ senting different interests in different parts of the world. I regret that one gentleman who was to have been present is unable to attend—I allude to Mr. Gennadius, charge Eaffaires for Greece, in London. He has been summoned by his Govern¬ ment to go to Paris, and I hope that visit will be productive of good results to the country he represents. But, whatever may be the cause, I regret that he is not able to be present, as I am sure the reception we would have given him, had he been here, would have shown him the interest we take in our friends in that country. (Hear, hear.) Of the other gentlemen, whose names I have to couple with this toast I must mention Mr. Simon Sterne, who will reply on behalf of the United States of America. Mr Steme is an influential member of the Free Trade party in his country We have here Mr. Steme and General Walker, both of them very active and influential members of the Free Trade party. On behalf of the Free Traders of New York, Mr. Sterne will probably show you the state of Free Trade opinions in America. I shall also couple with this toast, the name of the Hon. Alexander Stuart on behalf of the colony of New South Wales. In New South Wales Free Traders have won their fight. I regret that there is no one here from Victoria. Mr Stuart will be able to tell us that Free Trade doctrines are not likely to slide back in New South Wales, but in Victoria the prospects are less bright. Let us hope that Victoria will soon follow the example of New South Wales. Perhaps some gentleman repre¬ senting New South Wales can hold out to us the hope of an CO'BDEN CLUB. improved state of things in Victoria. I shall also couple with this toast, the name of Mr, Savona of Malta. He (Mr. Savona) is not an inhabitant of a great self-governing colony, but he will probably tell us the advantages which come from self- government, and the hardships inflicted on colonies which are still Crown colonies. In Malta there still exists protective duties under the British Crown. It is a most unfortunate thing, that at the very moment we are trying to impress Italy with Free Trade doctrines, there should be protective duties maintained by the British Government so near to the Italian peninsula. Also, there will be coupled with this toast the name of Senor Pablo Bosch, a leading Free Trader from Spain. I hope this gentleman will receive the welcome such as has always been accorded at our annual dinner to our foreign and colonial guests. Spain is a country which has long had good commer¬ cial relations with England, and perhaps Senor Bosch will be able to inform us that there is a prospect of Free Trade princi¬ ples gaining ground there. Lastly, we shall drink this toast in the name of Mr. Hendrick Muller of Rotterdam. Unfortu¬ nately our foreign friends are here at a moment when home politics are absorbing our attention ; but we must not let them believe that their welcome is on that account any the less warm, or that Cobden’s principles, as represented by this Club, are in danger of being lost sight of. We hope their interests may prosper in all parts of the world. (Cheers.) Mr. T. B. Potter, M.P., then proposed “The health of the Chairman,” and on rising was greeted with loud applause. He said: It is my pleasing duty to propose the health of our ' worthy chairman this evening. We are indebted to Mm for the most able address with which he has favoured us. It is a long time since I first knew Mr. Forster. I believe it is "ettin° close upon thirty years since I first met him at Grasmere, a spot filled with interesting recollections to him. We know that few men have achieved more than he has during his public career. In most things we agree with him, and the speech he has made this evening shows us the mettle he is made of. (Cheers.) It is already rather later than we usually adjourn, but I must call your attention for a moment to a sub¬ ject touched upon by my friend, Mr. Savona of Malta. I think Englishmen do not take sufficient interest in their Crown colonies and dependencies. They imagine that, somehow or other, by some magic, everything which is done in their ANNUAL DINNER. 19 name must be good, must be of a high character of civilisation, and that it must be an absolute blessing to be brought under our rule. ( Hear, hear.) Take Cyprus for instance. Indeed we have taken Cyprus. (Laughter.) We are bringing Cyprus into the condition of a Crown colony. Are we going to treat Cyprus as we have treated other dependencies, and intro¬ duce into it the food taxes of Malta, and to supplement it with the atrocious system of revenue farming of Ceylon? Are we prepared to introduce the land system of India, in the. face of knowing, and the Government do know it, that a larger number than one half of the population of London have died from famine in Mysore, Madras, and Bombay, through the scarcity which has existed there, which many think has been caused by our land system. As was stated by Mr. Savona, it is a most easy thing to tax food, and whether they be land- owners or clericals who do it, or others equally well to do, they themselves pay no taxes, and they find it easy to raise the revenue of a country in this way. We are doing it in Ceylon, Gambia, and Jamaica at the present moment. There is a tendency to adopt this system of food taxes, in all our Crown colonies and dependencies, and the land revenue of India is virtually a tax on food. I ask my friends to look into this question. I ask you to see that Cyprus is not treated in the same way. I think that Cyprus should be a free port. Malta might, and ought to be, a free port, but it is not: and it would be, but for the opposition of interested parties. I want to know what we are going to do. What is the policy of the Government at the present moment ? Where are we drifting ? Why, we are disregarding the principles of Free Trade, and of peace, which Cobden always instilled into us, and we are following a will-o’-the-wisp policy. (Hear, hear.) Unless we take care, we shall be overwhelmed in the quagmires and pitfalls of imperialism, for imperialism is the object in the highest quarters of the land. (Cheers.) Lord Beaconsfield bows down to it. He has done so since the time he introduced the Royal Titles Bill. I look somewhat gloomily forward. to the future, but I believe the people of England will resist in time. If they do not they are unworthy of the name of Englishmen (cheers) — if they permit themselves to be deprived of the liberties fought for by their fathers. I hope, however, to find that the objects which Lord Beaconsfield himself seems to be attempting to carry out will be thwarted by the more sensible portion of the Conservative Party. I beg leave to propose the 20 COB DEN -CLUB. health of Mr. Forster, and to tender him our hearty thanks for the excellent speech he has made. (Loud cheers.) Mr. W. E. Forster, M.P., in responding, said he had only one or two remarks to make. Their meeting that evening might have appeared to have a party character, or one of opposition to the Government. That idea would be contrary to the traditions and intention of the Cobden Club. It was solely because the Government had trampled by its late act upon all the principles which Mr. Cobden would have advocated, and which his friends now maintained, that he had spoken as he had done as the president for the day. 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