ilij I * ,\N t^^r ^ THE O LiBRAR / I I Li Hfj^vvJ l>r 'Sap*-vni ntmt u JSwM lif ^vn,ftrvrui > J '/■ )x- / / // / ^ / 7 // V • ' .'\l-:j\r-; a^ ok' Jrr .tr-nr.i- (J<- ,/ Sr^jirrryl nt &\'if^ JSS ZS A r T II i:n t I c i: i>i t i o > , ■/•/ i MARGES ^-y^^H/^Frinted from the vC__5^— - — n 3fIJSrUTES oj^the^ HOUSE of COMMOISTS, DEBATES AT LARGE lol.l O.' Aat Estates. Dct/rets. tuul Otiices Werr not derit'd Corixipdy .' diat cirar Sonotir Wert purchusU by the 2£erU or the Hearer/ Shakrsperr. l^ONlXm, Printed for J. Stratford.HS.HoIbor find SoUl by all other Book^feUers. nffin. J V.I ^ N^ In compliance with current ^^ copyright law, LBS Archival ^^s. Products produced this replacement volume on paper that meets the ANSI Standard ^ 5 Z39.48-1984 to replace the irreparably deteriorated ^^ original. 1994 TM (OC) ^' PREFACE. CO X^IL MORE ioiportant Era in the Ilifiory of • :! Great Kritaiti^ than that we are aboul to nc»- *< lice, has never before occurrciJ. 'ilie Characters ^~ of the Parties concerned, the CircnnDdanccs invefiigated, the important Fa6is difclofed, and the Alode.- purfued to defraud the Puhlic, form fuch a Body of Incident that not to know fuch extraordinary Particulars, would he derogatory to the ":ood Senfe and Feehnirs of tliofe who have anv Intered in ti^e Concerns of their Country. In the Inftance before us, a Prince of the "^ Blood Roval is introduced to View, as the Ob- je6t of juridical Enquiry,- and the grand Q-uef- lion is,, How- far he has been concerned, or attempted to be involved, in the mofl fcanda- Ions and criminal Abufes? and how far, or whether at all, connedled with a Set of Beings> ^ whofe Exiftenceand Pra6lices have long beeii* fufpe61ed, but never difclofed?" Thefe intcreft- ing Topics employ the whole Attention of ** a Court, whofe Honour, Integrity, and Difcern- ment will ftiiTer nothing to efcape it^ difcrimir, natinfT Inveftigation." 'O iv PREFACE. It is unbecoming the Chara£ter of Britoni; to pre-judgej and it is highly derogatory to the patriot Seme of Loyalty, to i^romulgate Opi- nions in prejudice to Fa61s which can form the only Criterion. Every Man, by the Conllitu- ticn, is declared innocent, till he \s pronounced ^'(•ilty; and nntil Fa61s themfelves abfolutely and unqneiiionably prove the Guilt, no one ought to condemn. Wc are only impelled by public Confider- ation and public Duty, merely to fiate thofe Fa6is as thry occur, without attempting to hazard or intrude individual StriQurcs. THE Merit of £he present "Wort, in Preference to ctiaer Publicationsj is, that whilst the latter contain only detached Parts, leaving the rest unintelligible and In Un- certainty, we have connected the Whole so as to form an interesting Detail of a singular Circumstance of British Ilistor};. We have given the Evidence from authentic Documents ; we have, as far as was possible to ascertain, explained the Reasons for withdrawiug the Witnesses, and minuted the several Observations of the Members, from the best digested Journals ; and we trust that we have furnished to our Readers, a Portion of important Infor- mation and Instruction. .^ ' CHARGES. rubli.'hr.J t:j> ./. .ftr./fn'rW . a,. K>/ivm JCfl. Tfh-TaS^^" CHARGES AGAINST THE DUKE OF YORK. TriR profs had for a lonp: time tcemod with Piih- Iications injurious to tdc character and ])iin- ciples of Mis Royal llilighncn>, in any mii'ufe of liis power or authority, irom that pubhc juftiee which was called for by tfie voice of the people. No other motive impelled him this day than a fenfe of his public duty; for if eor- rnption were not attacked in a (jnarter where it was lo formidable, the army and the country muft fall -tiic viclin)s of its inHuence. It was neceilary, in the inft initance, to ]jat tiie honfe in poifeffion of the true purpoies for which the difj)o^."i of commiflions iri tiie armv was ]DJuced in the iiands of the comman- der in chief. Jt wa*^ for the nnrpofe of defraying' tiie charoes of the Half-Pay liit for the fupport of ^eieran officers, and increalinp; tlie Compaifionate 1' undjfor the aid of the widows and orphans of officers ; ;;nd, therefore, any conKuiiiions which fell by deaths or promotions, the Commander in Chief had no right to fell or difpofe of for his own privine emolument, iM;r tb appropriate for the like purpofe any difference arifmi? Ircm tije chantxe or reduRion of ollricers from lull to half- pay. He had thus e\ [plained, he be- lieved, the nature of the power vcfted in the hands of the Commander in Chief ; but l)c could brinj^ po- sitive prooi's lh*nt fuch conunirtions had been fold, and the-, money applied to very different purpofesfrorji the letritimate ones required by the military ufagcs and cftabli'rnments of the country. Tf he could prova that thole purpofes were, in a variety of inftances, abandoned by the Commander in Chief; that officers had been reduced to the haif-paj^ lilt vrilhout receiv- ing the ufua! difference in fuch cafes ; and if lie could fubftaiuiate fuch a>'ioUition of the rights of military cfhcer<, it was a duty he owed to his conltitue-ats and his country fo to dc. In ( 7 ) Id tLc vcar 1303, liis Rovut Hifr^mcfs fet up a fer/ liamlioiiic eltablillimcnt, in a talliioiiable C|uarter ot* the town, coniiftin*^ of a Tupcrb houfc' and elei^^ant carriao^cs ot various cl(jrcri[)tions, ia\- a tavouritci ladv oi' the name of Clarke. Of the lady's name ijcj iliould have occafion to make frequent mention in the courie ot' iiis I'peecfi, conne^led with a numljer of mimes and facts, to ilievv the lioufe that he had not taken up this rubjeft on hu^ht grounds. The lirit fact which he Ihould ftate was tlie cafe of Major Tonvu, of the 4.Sth regiment, wlwi received J>is commiflion. as a captain on the 2d of Augnft, 1802, and was promoted to a majority in the 3 lit re- giment in Auguft ISO-k He meant no reflection uporj that gallant officer, nor in the {mallefi degree to de- preciate his merits; he meant merely to ftate facts as communicated to him. JMaiorToayn was tiie fon of a very diftinguiflied officer, and might liave purchafei his promotion, if he chofe; but this gentleman was introduced to Mrs. Clarke by a captain of the roviU waggon train; and it was agreed, that upon his ap- pointment to a majarity, he ihould pay 500/. the mo*, ney to be lodged at a houfe to be named, tiiree days before he was gazetted, and dieu paid to. a Mr. Douo- Tan, a furgeon, in Charles-itreet, St Jiuues's-fquare. As he fhouicl have occafion ta mention the latter gentlemaa again, it was neceffary to itate, that in 1802, he was appointed to a lieutenancy in a garrifou battalion. He had oever enquired what was the nature of the fervicesMr. Donovan performed, certainly no military fervices, far he had never been near his regi- ment, -and feencied to have a perpetual leave of ab- fence. Mr. Wardle could not account why this gen- tleman's apjiointment was not in his professional hne, upon the Miidical Staff, fufficiently exteniiveas it was for that purpofe. The iotroducer was captain Huxiey S^uidon. The money fo procured was appropriatetl by Mis. Clarke towards the purchufe of an elegant fer- viee ( 8 ) vice of plate from ]\Ir. Birkctt,a fiiverfmitli, the Con> iTiaiider in Chief paying the remainder. Thus it Mas evident,! ft. That INlrs.CJarke had the power of difpofiriL^ of commiffions for purehafe ; 2(}\y, That llie receiv- ed pecuniarv considerations for promotions ; and 3dlv, That the Commander in Chief partook of tile emoluments ; and this he could prove by tlie evidence of five witnefles, including the executors ©f Mr. Birkett. The nextfa6l he would adduce, was that of Colonel Brooke, on the 2.5th of July, 1805, and which was tranfafted through the medium of Dr. Thynne, a me- dical gentleman of high refpe6tabilitv. It was agreed between him and Mrs. Clarke, that Ihe fhould re- ceive 200/. on his exchange being gazetted : the 'lady was extremely anxious, and faid (he Ihould have an opportunity of getting 200/. without calling on tlieCommander in Chief, and on the Saturday follow- ing the promotion was gazetted. He fhould be able to produce lieutenant-colonel Brooke and lieutenant- colonel Knight ; and he would be the laft perfon in that houfe to bring forward fuch charges w'ithout competent evidence. He ihould alfo ftate a cafe by way of contralt to the laft, and for the purpofe of ihewing that fuch permiiTions^to exchange were not eafily obtained from the Dukeof York. It was the cafe of major M'Donnell and major Sinclair, of the -firft regiment .of foot. Major Sinclair had been a confiderable time in the Weft Indies; the climate perfe6tly agreed with his healtli, and therefore he was "defirous of going upon that fervicc, and applied to the Commander in Chief; Major M'Donnel, who was in a puny ftate of health, earneftly applied to the 'Commander in Chief for leave to decline that fervice, apprehenfive of the danger of the climate, and U'ilhing to remain in Knglainl. But major 8it)c4air was refufed permifiion to go, and major jNI'Donnel was rcfufcd permiliion to remain j he was ordered to ( t) ) to the Weft Indies ; and both gentlcrriCn fell victirr.7 to the arriuipctncnt, for they Toon died. Tiiey liad^ however, oBercd no bribe to the military palroners, Avliole influence could have prevailed in their cales. The next was the cafe of major Sliaw, appointed deputy-barrack. maftcr-general at the Cape of Good Hope. It appeared that the Commander in Chief had no la vourabie opinion of major Shaw; Mrs. Clarke, how- ever interpofeii; — he confer.ts to pay licr 1000/. Of this money, lie immediately paid 200/; fhortly after he paid her 300/; when flie, finding he was backward in paymeiit, fent to demand the remainder; but, finding no chance of receivinjT it, (he complains to the Commander in Chief, whoimmediaielv put major Shaw upon the half-pay liil. The honourable gen- tleman faid, he had a letter from major Shaw himfelf, ftating: the fa6l, and he never knew but one other inftance of an otBcer being thus put on tiie half- pay lift. Here then was further proof, to (hew ti^iat ISlrs» Clarke's influence extended to the army in general, and that it operated to put any officer on the half-pay lift, and that the Commander in Chief was a dirccb party in her authority. The next cafe to which he fnould advert of the ]ady's influence, was that of colonel French, of the Horfe Guards. This gentleman was appointed to a commiffion for raifing new levies in 1804, i;nd the bufinefs was fet on foot by Mrs. Clarke. He was in- troduced to her by captain Huxley Sandon, and (he- was to have a certain lum out of the bounty for every -i'ecruit raifed, and a certain portion of patronage in the nomination of the officers. She was waited on by colonel French, of the firfl troop of Horfe Guards^ and as the lew went on, ilie received various iums of monev bv colonel French, captain Huxley San- don, Mr. Corri, and Mr. Cockayne, the attorney-of Lyon's Inn, in the following rates, ii'z — for a ma- jority, 900/. captaincy, 70U/. ; lieutenancy, 400/. and ( 10 ) aiul ennirncv 200/. -vvliereas tlic regular |>uiccr were refpcouvely 2oOO/, \50i)L 550L antl -l-OU/. ; and eoiircqucntly all this monev was loft to the Half-Pay CoinpailionateJ uiid, to put money into jNIrs. Claike's pocket. The next inftance was one in which the Commander in Chief himl'dt" was u direct partaker in the advan- tages of this traflic, by a loan to be furnillicd thron£{h colonel French, the writinc^s for which were drawn by a Mr. Grant, an eminent folicitor ot* J3arnard's Inn, for the purpofe of railing 3000/. ; but he did r^ot receive it, becauie there was 3000/. l\ug from government to colonel French. Hence then it was obvious that Mrs. Clarke exercifed an influence m raifing the military force of tlie country, in dif- poiing of commands in that force, and in converting the purchai'e of commiiiions to her own private ad- vantage. Having, now laid enough of Mrs. Clarke, he would next proceed to the cafe of captain i\laling, of the Royal African Corps. He meant no relie6tion upon that officer. He was appointed to an ensigncy on iN^ovcmber 25, 1806 ; fome time after, he was made lieutenant. He had fiili the i^ood fortune to remaia a clerk at the dt Tk of Mr. Greenwood, army agent. On the 13th of April, 180S, he was employed by the Duke-oF York, and before theend of the year he was raifed to a captain in the Royal African Corps, the third year after his firft apponitment, and with- out feeing" fer vice ; thus promoted over the heads of rU tire fubalterns of the army, without any regard to their Jong fervices and wounds in their conntrv's caufe, tliough many of them had lodged their money to pay the dilference on promotion. Whether the honour and interefts of the Britifh army, and the feelings of the officers, were properly to be fubjefted to fuch a fyllem, the Houfe of Commons would judge atijd decide. He hoped, after what he had Itated, th*:. ( n ) xUc irouu'. of CoiTinions would not rcfufL- :o (xvnnl jiim a commiltce to inquircMiito lliofc tiaiitactious ; arid if tlicy a^^rccd, lu* would pledi^e Ijinil'clf to bring- as evidence before them I\lis. C'Jarkc lierfelf and the whole ot" the other pcrfous whom he had named. There was another circiimftancc in this cafe which lie could not pafs unnoticed ; it was the exiftence 'of a pui)lic ofiice in the City of London, where x:ommiiIions in the armv were offered to purchafers 2.1 reduced prices, and where the clei-ks opcnlv and unequivocally Ttated in liis own prcfence, and in his Jiearinp;, that they were employed by the prefent .favourite miftrefs of the Commander in Chief, Mrs. Carey; and that, in addition to commiliions in the army, they were employed to difpofe of places in every department of the church and ftate; and thofe -agents did uot hefitate to itate, in words and wrirting-, tliat they were employed under the aufpices of two of his majeftv's principal minifters. Having now -Sfone throut^h the whole of his ftatement, the honour- ' able member concluded by exprefiing his hope that 4:he houfe would grant, him a committee to inquire into' the <:onduci of tlie DQlie of York, in refpefii to the difpofal of military commiirions ; and he .moved accordingly. Sir Francis Burdett feconded the motion. The Secretary at War* faid, he did not rife to g^iye any oppofltion to the motion — at leaft not to any fair and reafonable extent to which the pro« pofition might be thought neceirarv. The honourable gentleman had, in a very candid manner, brought •forward fa6t;s of the mod important kind,, and in their tonfenuences moft ferious and weij^htv. He con- /ceived the houfe would readily ac(]uiefce in going into an enquiry of the fa^s which had tlirji been brought forward, or anv other faClswhicli the hoiiour- blc gentlemen might ftill intend to fxodu'ce licrcafter; Rig'it lion. Sir James l^ultcnoy, Bart. M. P. lor V\ eymouth, but. C 12 ) but, to a general inquiry into the conduct of the Commander in Chief, lie would not agree. I-]e was 'Certain that illultrious^jcrlbnage was ready to go into a full invelligation of thefe charges. As to the Half- Pay lift, he had already- Itated on former occafions, that it had been moft materially and extensively benefited bvthe Commander in Chief, who had volun- tariiy refigned a very extenfive patronage, in order that the faJe of the commiliions might he brought in aid of the Comjxiffionate fund, by which that Fund had been greatly increafed. With rcfpect to the Barrack Dejjartmcnt, he thought it proper juft to ftate, that it was within tlie patronage of his Ko^-al Highncfs the Duke of York. He wifned alfo to -obferve, that the manner iii which the army had been fitted out that was lately fent to Portugal, appeared a verv ftriking mark of the fn peri or military talents of the* Duke of York, and a ftrong proof of his great attention to and regard for that army, and of courfe militated againfl the truth of charges, which, if founded in truth, muft ftrike at its difcipline, and through that, at its very cxiftcnce. flis right honourable friend'^ near him, who had fo lately coffi- manded that army, would readily tell the llate in which he found it; and, great as his right honour- able friend's talents were for iufpiring his foldiers with courage, lV>irit, ahd a6tivity, he could not fpecdily have inftillcd into them the noble energiej* of which they iiau given fuch unequivocal and brilliant proofs, if they had previoufly been undei fuch inattention to and neglect of difcipline as thel'c charges held out. The fpirit of promotion, which }iad been infufcd into the army by the Commander in Chief, and which throve fo well under his aufpiccs and nouriihments, together with the extreme regula- rity, order, and arrangement, which he had intro- * Sir Arthur Wellcsliy, M, P. for Nc^vport, Hants. 4 Uuceel ( 1^' ) diiced into every military diipartnicnt, ij;ni (Vom'a every tliiijg" for t[ic army, and evinced that ije iiad ever been actuated bv the iii^realeU zeal and anxiefv for its honour and its interclts — whereas the charge.^, if true, would make liuu one of its mod inveterate enemies. He thought it neceflarv to make thefe few obfervations as to what lie knew of the conduci of the illuftrious perfonuoe in queftion : and, iiavinj^ done fo, would not trefpafs further on the time of the houfc, than to fay, he, was very happy the lionourable gentleman had brought th'^m forward, a ( n ) Illuftiious Perfoiia^^c is, air-unit whom tl;t'U* fact^ have been alliidgcd, how nearly he is related .to the crown, iiow niueh praile he merited for his unre- mitting attention to tiie army, and its moft vital in- terefts, to which the right honourable general had juft before fo forcibly borne tefiimony, and thereby recorded, he thought, tliat merely a connnilTiou would not be fuflicient to inveftigate a matter of this important nature; but that, wiien the honour of a Branch of the Royal Family was fo deeply concerned, and fo itrongly aliailed, the houfe llioukUtake up the. matter on a higher ground, and on a broader bails, and pafs an act of parliament for a fjjecial commiilion, empowering tiieni to examine perfoiLS who were brought as witnefles, on their oaths. ' This being the impreffion on his mind, he fiiould not have thought he had done his duty, if he had not thrown it out for the coiifideration of the houfe, at kiaft; and no lefs grave and. folenin mode of invefti- gatian appeared, to. him^.t^ beproperly adapted, to .tiiG.fubje^.y_.. 3 .,,^....,,-^,... „, . .. ^ , . 5..-Sii%FjiANcis ,BuRDETT...£ii^, he-, tlioi^ght it was itnpoflibleany gentleman could have. a different feel- in g. upon this, fubjeci. from what Imd been fo forcibly expreiled by all thofe honourable mem'bers who had deJiverf^d their fentiments on the fubject, and par- ti ctdaxiv. thofe of the riu;ht honourable 3 and ( 18 ) and tberc receive that iu(jf:;ment and decifion which he had no doubt would he highly iionourable to the character of t\te Uluftrious Perfonage who had been fo vehementlv availed by them. The right ho- nourable 2:entleman had exprefTed his opinion that the feveral ^rofs libels wdiich have appeared againit the Comniandej* in Chief, are fo manv indications to him that a confpiracy exiits at this moment againft the whole cftabliftiment. Where the right honour- able gentleman could obtain his information he could not tell ; but for his own part, he-coold never fuppofe that in this country, where difcuflion was allowed, fuch publications as thofe alluded to, na- ' turally or fairly led to any fuch inference. or deduc- lion. It had ever been the cafe that: public cha- racters, even in the higheft rafik, bad, from time ta time, been Habie to the attacks of falfehoodand mif- reprefentation^ That it fhoubd hive been fo, or that it was fa at the prefent period, he allowed was much to be regretted; but there was one confoia^ = lion, at tlie fame time, in refle^iing- that firch weak . efforts of envy :or malignity" were ^eafily traced, and when found out^fflighfc and ought to/be exempb- rily puniihedr He^bad no doubt but that the falfe- hood ^nd malice of the Jtbels alluded to by the right Iionourable gentleman :wx)uld, on the prefent occa* '' fion, meet the fate tkey merited.. ^iHe knew no way in which they had a chance- of doing fo, which ap* peared to him fox«rtain or fo fpeedy, as an invefti- gationof and iaq^tinry into the prefect charges ; and he was hp.ppy to find that the right hononrable gen- tlemen oppo^tejto him were oFthe fame opinion, f^r. ' Wr. Adam laid,, he gave -Way to the honourable barpnet, inordct that he mighthave an opportunity of thewi-R^, as he had donC) with fomujcn coolnefs, candour, and poiitenefs, tiie motives^vhich induced him lofecond the prefent motion. He 'was . ex- tremely g ted he had done fo, as the whole, of the honourable ( 19 ) honourable baronet's fentimcnt^ had Ijccn driivcre.' in a manner liie^hlv honourable^ to liim. }lis chief rt^albn for oiVcrin^ hinifclf to the houft-, on the prc- fent qaeition, was for the pnrpofe of fta ti[)p what he thought would be the moll dt'rn'al)le m ethod of procecdinf^ in the prefent cafe. In formini^ the opi- nion he was about to deliver to the houfe, he looked onlv to tlie principles of the Britifh conftit ution, and the invariable end of its juftice, viz. That frovi- the highejl fuhjcct to the lou'r/I, even/ per foil ac ciifed viujl be tfiken to be innocent iitl proved to be guilt I/. With refpeQ: to all thole alledgcd fafts which the honourable orentleman had then brought toru-ard in a very candid manner, he had not the fmallelt doubt, hovrever the honourable gcntlemnri might have been induced to give credence to their truth or probability, it wodld ultimately turn out, on a proper ^nvefiigation, that thev are founded in falfehood' and mifreprefentation. With refpc6l to money, there were fome circumllances in the tranf- a6lions which poiitively forbad him from believrng them polHble Jto attJTch' to his Royal Highnefsthe du4ve 'of- York. He had been mox^ than twenty yearsv not profeffionally, but ^ratuitouflv, in the" fervice of the duke of York, and' he aflbred the hanfo,) hexiid not: mention this from any rain boaft ©t^bcing fo.houonred with the contidence of that II- luftrious Perfon^ but, frmii motives of jnftice, he tboughuitiiis doty -to declare, that he had ever re- cerred the moil nnbonnded confidence from his KroyalHig'hnels as to all his- pecuniary affairs; and there.never had been one of his embarraiTments- which ihe Duke of York ,had ever concealed from hixEi.. ijJHe^n-fed the ^^Ord etjidarrajfvtents, becao'fe' they liad been made known even to pnrUament. On the, acxiuracy'vof jfiis memory in this refpeft, -^He could pofitively and tivmly rely, and cmjld^'truly ■ fa,y,. tbaiiie- never .ijeard of airy' k>an ^Uifiich -htr" - -• '.''' '-.:•. ■ wiihea ( 20 ) viihed orattempteci to nccfociate with anv individual whatever, that was not cirouiided on as fair and ho- noiK'able terms as a loan of the dul'.e of Bedford, the duke of Northumberland, or any other nobiemau could be, who had occafion at anv time to raife mo- ney for any partieuJar or fpecial purpofe. He was tiieveiore an. advocate for the inquir}', and iliould be happy that the hve facts, or alledged facts, which l)acl been itated bv. the iionourable gentleman, fhould be fpeedilv inquired into. He would alfo wilh to have this, done in as public a manner as podible ; for publicitv was what ije ai-med at, -.as much as his rig-ht iionourable friend on the floor •'• ; but Ijo would not wifli with him, that an act of parliament lliould be pailed to xibtain this dciirable end. He would jiot have tbehoufe .to giv,e up us iiiquiiitoriai power;* hut to abtahi that -public it y whiik x/oas Jo luuch de- Jived y and was in fact ^Jo '}ieceJ/atyfor the due invej^-. tif^aiion of this^imporiant btjincj}, (it was his advice that itjhould take. place in a (Jo mm it (ee of the Whole lloujty wha^e every lncmkt)\''^VQuld^k^f^{^a^Xi)itnefs to ii^ and \eveny' xiixumftance .Avqidd ■ U)e^fulli/ - etujuitied into. The great abject xvasjht 7iwde of -enquiry^ mid his decided opiniou^as inj'avQU)\qf.a Coniinitte^ of the Whole Ilouje, ^ \- \,, ^^,:.Z. -irr-Tn ^.:.:VT Mr. WiLBERFtmcE thou^t, that fituated as the houfe was as to:paTtv-l*pirit, a ■ rcommittee of tlie whole houfe would not be that" mode 'of inveftisra- lion which wouldrbefi be adapted' to t^iat imparti^ Jity iiKhich a "charge of^'this ^high importance* re-' (quired. He* confidered ithe judrcial power of the houfe in this Avav as verv defe6iwe, and ihould prefer the mode -propofed :-bv the right honourable gentleman^, as preferable', ibecanife it would enable the committee to- be appointed to examine wit- nefics on oath, nvhieh wotiid give:the evidence .a * Mr. Yorke. -\ Mi , Yorke. weight ( '^1 ) >^t*io;ht in th'j e^•(; of tlie public and of r:\Ht u-orkl, 'which the other coiikl not do. It had been done on 'foiTnci* occafloris, and he tkoui^kt this as important a cafe as had ever occurred, andasviuch entitled' ~to fuck a. mode of -praccediu!:^^ His Royal Ili^hnels's rank, the delicaci/ of his ho- nouVy and the fplcndour of his connections, re- ■ paired, tkut if put on his trial, it ou^ht to ht taken t/poji its real merits, and mvelfii^atcd in fo ferwiis a marnicr as to /herr the hoitje wei-c in earncft ; that 'the inquiry Jhould he on the molt e.vLenfive fcalc, ami that they were deicWiiiied to dojuftica, xvhich would .heft be done by examinins: witneHes on oath. It ivas zvell knozeii, the eyes" of all Europe were then fixed on the deliberations of the houje, avd it be- hovcd them to aSlin thcvio ft grave and dehifive maiu Tier. He would, therefore, prefer a parliamentary coiiimrflion, uMtti power to examine witnefles on oath. The CHANCELLdti>OF TKE .EXCHEQUER Coincided in the unanimous feeling of the houfe, that to tiie moft folemn and feribus accufation brought forward that night, the mod foletnn -aiid ferious inquiry' ought to be afforded. -The ^oniy difference that feemed to exift in the naind'of gentleinen was, as to the manner of conducting that inveftigaiion, whe- ther the 6nds, to ^vhich ail looked with equal ea- gernefs, were more likely to be acquired by a pri- vate, ,and delegated examination, or .by a ful], prompt, and public difcuflion, arifing from..the tef- timony, which the honourable gentleman who fub- mitted ihofe charges to -parliamentary confiderj- tion, might be enabled to produce at the bar of that houfe. When he contemplated the important ir^- terefts which the country had, whether in. acquit dug t lie exalted perfonage, if, as he was convinced, the eventwould prove fuch charges coulcf not be fub- iuintiated, or in rendering JAiftice to the dignitv of 2t ) J cf t!ic ctjaracler of^ parHamciit, he was com- pelled bv all and every confideration, to call upon that houreiiot to abaiKJon its lee;itimate judicial pro- vince, and by its fiiTt ftcp to deprive itfelf of.tjjat tVeedoin of conduct, and aftion, that might eventuaJly preclude it from adopting the courfe vvliich it might be convinced was uhimatcly fcrviceable. There was no courfe that could prove fat isfactonj to the count }-i/, but a puhlic one — and :cha fever incojiveniencies might foUoic from its adoption, they -were dijjipated by the Juperior and paraniount advantages. Independent of Its general reconunemlatioii, fame conjlderation vuglit to be (rt4ended to the leijJies of his Royal lligh- .ntfs. ' That wijli, he could pofuively j'tate, zvas, and ht had the authority of his Bojjal 'Ili^hnefs to fay, thai ike invejVigaiionjhould Semo^ft complete and pudlic. .Thtreiv'as nothing that his Royal Ilighnefs fo parlicutprly 'deprecated as any fccrct or cloje dij- tvjion'of ih'oje charges. Standing as that Illujiri' • eus Perj'onage . did on .the fairnejs^ of his charaSler, and the fullnefs ffihe, evidence xvhicHlie, fams en- ahled fo jiroducc jn refutation of ihefe charges f he was ^\iQ/l peculii^flii , anxious to appear', before ^ the couhtiy'nf acguitted, acquitted .by the.moft^ accii- rate avcf fevei^c enquiyy_, sor if coj2den}?fed,,_<:o?idernH' ed by the in oft public and undeniable^ evidence.-^ Was the prefent momcntTuitable for the jtafeiiient^, he believed he' could rutcr Tnio, particulars which would convince 'tlie houle^ that *it was ininoffibTe to 'brjn^ th'pfe alledged, charges home tb.his'fRoyal Hi^li- nefs. Thc'hdnaurable Gentleman '-, had 'iii.the courfe of his'-Tpeeich ftated a circumftance which uaVticuIar- ~l3' involved thc'cViaraHer of His Majefty s]^gover;i- inent. He had mentioned' that two members o'f^.the kinir's cabinet weire concerned in this acfency Tpf the. diipolai or government patronage.. Tmswa^a. topic onwhich fie fdt it due to himTelf to rcquire'tlie fuII- "'. '"" " ;. . , :* Mr, Wardk. ,,: .,, ,.,,..,-..,► ' : ' eu ( 23- ) eft information, and it was for the option of ine ho- nourable gentleman to determine, wliether he would afford it in a public manner in that houfe, or by a private communication to fome of the reiponiible iertants of the crown. "When in poffeflion of that information," he alVured the houfe that bv fiim no nieafurc woidd be left undone to unravel and eluci- date the truth or falfehood of that allc2:ation. The honourable mover ftated, that preferments, not only in the army, hut in the church and the ftate, were fold at an office in the city. This he alfo wiihed might be made the fubject of the m oft anxious in- quiry. No doubt, rpany perfons advertifed to fell places; and they gained by doing To; bccaufe they got money from others, who were the dupes of tlieir frauds. If the honourable gentleman would ftate any faft of this kind to him, lie fhoiild ba the firft to inquirejnto it. He willied the honourable p:cntlcman would name the perfons keeping theofbce in queftion. Itrwas not for him to tell that houfe, that iii tliis great capital it might happen that foolilli perfons were frc- (juently deceived by advertifements in the public })apers, announcing the difpofal of official patronage. And .perhaps it had occaiionallv turned out, that the very perfons who were originally deceived hv tiiele advertifements to make applications, did ultimately obtain the very appointments for which they Jiad eii- rieavoured to negotiate; but he was "convinced that ' as there was nothing fo difcreditable to government, io there was nothing more falfe in faft tlian the idea, ' that money was paid to perfons high in office foffuch tranfaBions. For the diflinft manner in wh/ch the lioiiouriiblc gentleman fubmitted the qu'errion to the iioufe, he conceived him entitled' to its thanks. He had pledged himfelf to bring his charLies hou^e to his Royal Highncfs the Duke of York. U])or thrttpledgc tlu: projiofed m.quiry was admitted ; and boih for the accufer and th«i accufed, to guardagainft iupprc /Uon - and ( 24 ) and iolufficiency. of evidence, publicity wiis eiien- tially neceliary. Mr. Waudle ftatexl, that be was anxious to afford tbe fuUeft enquiry in bis posvi^r to the Right Honour- abla the Chancellor. of the Kxchequev. The ofEcc -where this agency was tranfaCtcd was in a court in Thread need le-ftreet. The pcrfons conducing the bufiuefs there did not deny tlie intiuence under which they were able to procure appointments. They had fbited various fituations purchafed in the.iiland of Jamaica, and that the two members of the prefeut ca- binet, for whom they ac^ed in fuch negociations, and to whom lie alluded in his fpeech, were the Lord Chancellor and the Duke of Portland, It was then. carried, iicmine contradicentCy that the conduct of His Royal Highnefs the Commantier in Chief, in the appointment of conjmiflions,, and hlliu.«- up of vacancies in the army, be referreii to a c*om- miUee.. The Chancellor of the Exchequer then movexj^ that it fhould be a Committee of the Whola Houfe, Lord FoLKSTONE confidei'ed the honourable ino\u^r entitled to the fulieit, credit, for the manner in which ]>e brought the fubject forward. He was.of (opinioH that the ends of jufticc would be bcft anfwered.by . ' referring .the inquiry to a ielect coumiittee, from whofe reports all the benefits of public! t}* would be tlerived. Tt wa» extraordinary to fee the ChaticcUor of tiie Exchequer interfere with the mode of proceed- ing which the honourable mover had adopted.,, when t}ie houfe recoUeded witli what fev(M-c comment that- gentleman *, remar,keii W£DKr.',nAV, the ift of February, I\Ir. ^VAR- r>\.E inove.l tiki oriler of the day for the Iloufe rc- foiviii'^ itfeif into a (Joiiimittec, " To invefiit^are tlie ciiarorcs broil ltI it ci^ai lift His Koval Hiohncfs," wliich Order being; read, the lloufe went into the Committee. IVJr. ^V'HARTON having taken the cliair: Mr. Wardle beiii^f^ed leave to call the attention of the committee to fome obfervations which had been made on the leading points in his charge. He iioped that in the ftatements he had aheady made to the iioufe, that he iuid not uttered a ftngle word which could juftify a fufpicion tliat he was actuated either by party motives, or aiiv thing like perfonal animofity toward the Commander in Chief. He trufted his con- duel on the occafion had been open and candid. When firft he propofed this inveftigation he had of- fered aa entire lilt of all the witnefles. He had never kept any thing a fecret from the lioufe; and God forbid he Oiouid attempt to fuitain his charges bv any proofs but inch. as it became a man of lionour to offer. He felt it neccffary, however, to advert to fome itrong remarks which had fallen from a right honourable crentleman "^^ on a former ni":ht. whicii were not relevant to the fubject before the honfe, and which, he tiiought, might better iiave been cnitted. He had a right to appear in hi-; p!a-je as a member of parliament, the accnfer of the Commander in Chief; and it was the nrivile2;c of ^L-ntiemen on the other htle of the houie candidly to deiLvcr their opiiiions on the fubject ; but [)e drd not expe6l to be attacked in his perfonal char;icler, or his conduct iiry puted to private motives, without any foundation in juftice. Much was faid about the licentioufnefs of the pref^, the f[)irit of jacobinifm, and of a conTpiraey to overturn the lilafiriousHoufe of Brunfwick. Nothing, however, whicli he had faid h:ul an}- thing to do with the licentioufnefs of the prefs. There was no man lAilhiu or wi^bout that honfe who abhorred jacobin * Mr. i'orke. principles ( 33 ) principles more than himfeif, iinlefs by jacobin was meant an enetnv to corruption, for fuch ht; was, whether it exillcd in great or little men; and as to confpiracy againlt the Houfe of Brunfwick, if any man prefumed to charge ftich a motive to him, it was the duty of that man openly and manfully to follow up his accufation by proofs. As to jacobinifm indeed, if liis })rinciples had tended that way, be Ihould iiave adopted a contrary conduct: and inflead of oppoiing, had cheriibed corruption, until it un- dermined tlic government. His ol/jccl, on the con- trary, was to check corruption, to ferve Ins country, and to prevent in time thofe dreadful eiFects which arc the certain confequenccs of corruption. A right bonourable gentleman *' had faid on the former night, that he could»give no credit to tlie charges agamft the Commander in Chief, becaufe he had been fo in- timately acquainted with him for twenty years, that bad anv fuch tranfa6iions taken place, he muft bave known of thein ; but as he knew of none fuch, the chai'G^es muft in confequence be falfe. He would, however, undertake to prove the exiftence not merely of tfioTe comparatively flight tranfaftions under in- veitigation, but or others to a moft enormous amount, which, moft probably were unknown to the ricrht honourable gentleman, and which, were the caufc of the breach between IMrs. Clarke and His Royal Ilighnefs. He was aware of the difficulties oppofed to him in fuch a piirfuit. He was aware thcic were many members in that houfe, who might bo fuppofed to lean more toward the Commander in Chief than towards a private individual bke himfeif. He was confident no member of that lioufe would be^ actuated by motives of partiality in this cafe. He threw bimielf upon the honour, the candour, and indulgence of the committee, and without tref* - paibn'g iurlber on their attention, would proceed to evidence. * Mr, Adani; M, V, fcr the shire? of KiacarUine and Ross. Mr- ^ O^ ) i\Ir. YoRKi: all'iired tnc lionourabu; ircntlcmar. flint he had not bv anv means aliiKlcd norlona!!;- \) \\\\\\ in What lie faid reipeclinsf a coni'piracv aLTainfl the Illuitrious Faniilv ot" Briiiifwick, and the prev;i- Jeiicc of^Hifie diabolical principles of incobiriifui \\\ the brcafis of thofe inlamous men, of wiiom fi.s indiiina- tioii was pointed. On the contrary, he had faid that lie thouc^ht him entitled to the thanks of the iioufe and the country, for brin^infj: thefe iono- difi'eminated ac- cuialions before a tribunal m a tangible lliape. Mr. Wharton in the Chair. The following entry in the Gazette, 970, war> read : ^Wixx olticG, July :iOth, 1803, ** 56th regiment of foot: brevet lieutenant- ** colonel Henry Raleij^h Knight, from the ** 5th dragoon guards to be major; I'lce ** Brooke, vWio exchanges." Andrew Thynne, Esq. M. D. was called and examined by Mr. Wardle, who pre- vioufly declared tliat Dr. Thynne was unknown to him, and that he bad bad no communication with him on the fubje6l. 'Hufjlioti to Dr Thynne, Did you attend Mrs. Clarke, in your profeiTional capacity in the month of July, iSoj:? A, I attended Mr-. Clarke for feven or eight years, and cannot be particular as to the time ipecificd in the queftiorf. ^. Did you ever apply to Mrs. Clarke to promote an exchange between lieut. col. Knight and major Brooke ? 4. 1 did. The application was made at the requell cf ray old friend, Mr. Rober't Knight, brothef to lieutenant-co- lonel Knighr, and in order to oblige him, I fpoke to Mrs, Clarke to expedite the exchange. .•2. What pafTed on this occafion, between you and Mrs. Clarke? A. I made an rnTcr of two hundred pounds to Mr. Clarke, G: I Jiad been aiuhorized to do. Q . For ( 34: ) Q. For what purpofe was this money offered ? //. To indues iicr to expedite the exchange in a certalfi time. To remove fome impediments and delay which Mr. R Knight expected were in the way. .0. 1 hrough what medium was Mrs. Clarke expeded to do this ? yJ. I cannot anfwer. 1 delivered the meiTage with which I vas entruftcd. The medium, I believe, ib pretty well known. [Q. ^las It not from her connection with' the Duke of "Vork that it was ex-peded Ihe could have any influence in this matter? ■1. Of courfe; if Mrs. Clarke was not expeded to be able.-'^ expedite the exchange (he would net ha- e been ap- plied to. Q. How many days clapfed between the application to Mrs. Clarke and the appearance of the exchange in the Gaiiette? J I cannot be accurate. I was not interefted in the event ; the matter n^-ade little imprciTjon on my mind ; 1 believe the exchange was a good deal expedited by Mrs, Clarke. Q. NViis Jt in a few days or a week ? yi. 1 am not pofitivej it might be in a fortnight or three weeks-, Q Did Mrs. Clarke communicate the gazette to you ? A. She fent in? gazette to me, and 1 immediately fent it to the parties; no money ever pafl'^d J^rough my hands. 2. Did Mr. Rooert K-.ight r.ionc authorize you, or was lieutenant colonti Knight a oart} in giving this authority ? ui. T -v/r.s folely inllucnced by Mr !\obert Knight, who was my cH. friend, and had been mvpaiient for a longtime; I knew lirtie of his brother. i^ "vVas Ilcutcnant-colonel Knight prefent when you was authorized to offer two hu.-idred pounds ? ri. I caiinot tell, 1 met Mr. Robert Knight often by him- felf, and fometiraes in company with his brother. Sir F B'.rdrt/ c;?. Did you requeft Mr.-i. Clarke to ap- ply to the Duke of York to expedite th- exchange in con- fequence of her receiving the two hundred pounds? A. Why. the thing was underftocd; I fliuuld not have been coir.inifTionei: to apply to Mrs. Clarke, if it was not believed fh2 had influence Q, Ho-.v was it the witnefs underflood Mrs. Clarke had influence with the Duke of York: Dr. ( 3.-> ) Dr. Tliynnu was about to aufwjr, when on t'nc motion of iMr. L.ockliarr, tho witness vas ordered to withdraw ; and alter ftjtinjr the ill elTe^ts likelv to arife from receiving fucli anfux-rsas the witnefs gave, the. honourable f^entjenian moved tliatthe cliairman liionld be recjueilcd to deliic L'r. Thynne in future to conline his anhvers to his owi) knowledge offaccs, and not to go into furmifes. This being airreed to, Dr. Thynne was again called, and admonilhed to tfiat elFefct. Q. What are the means you underftood flie pofleiTed ? -'/. It was undcrilocd at the time Ihc had feme influence with a great perfonage. Sir F. Bvrdcit. Q. Did you not apply to Mrs. Clarke to afic the Di;ke of York to expt'dirc the exchange ? y/. Yes i did fo; I acknowledge thar. Q Was the two hundred pounds offered' for that purpofe? ji. For that fole purpofe. 0. Was the name of the Duke of York mentioned in this con\erfation with Mrs. Clarke r A. It i.s impofiible for me to recoiled all the particulars of a coRverfatiou happening fo long as three or lour years. Sir John Hall, j2. Who did you mean '.^hen yoafaid Mrs. Clarke had fome influence with a great perfonage? j-1. The Commander in Chief of eourfe. Mr. ll'ardle. Si, Aj the time the exchange was fpoken of did you give any thing in writing to Mrs Clarke .' A, 1 did, I gave her the names of the parties on a flip of paper, I either wrote tb^m down, or elfe fhe did it herfelf. Sir T, Turicn. ^ At any fubfequent time did Mrs. Clarke fay ihc had applied to. the Duke .of York on this bufinefs ? A, The fendirg the,gazettc is all I knew about it ? 3,. Did Mrs Llarke ever fay the exchange was accom- pliihed bv her means ? A, Mrs. Clarke accompanied the gazette wi:h a note, to fay the exchange was accoroplifhed ; that fhcwas/going out of town in a day or two ; and that the two hundred pounol would ue very convenient. S. \^ as there any thing more in the note than wBat you have now fiaied ? A. I - ( 36 ) J. I cannot tell. Tiiat is all I know at this diflance of time, as the matter made little iinpreffion on my mind. ■cj;}. Since that time has Mrs. Clarke communicated any thin^ to you on the fubjed, that the ex'hange was procured by her iniiuence with the Duke of York ? .-^. I do not know whether ever fincc that time I had any convcrfarion with Mrs. Clark; I underftood then it was ac- complilhed bv her means. I do not know that I ever faw her fmce I do nor recolieft having any fuch communica- tion trom her as that it was accompHlhcd bv her through the Di^iie of York; but at the lame time, I believe it was br his means. u2. Have you preferved ihe note? yj. No. I Tent it with the gazette to the parties. Mr. Cromer. A*. Have you any means belide your own furmile to fuppqfe that the exchange was expedited by the interference of Mrs. Clarke? A. I underftood the exchange was obtained in a ff'gu*. lar way,- but Mrs. Clarke wa^ to ufe her inhuence to ex**- pedite ii. i^fjitvtt repeated by Mr. Crokcr? A, No other rcafon on earth. Mr. V/ardh. ^ Did you know of Mrs. Clarke's living with, and under the immediate proiedtion of the. Duke of York at this time? W. It was {» underftood at the time. ^ Did you ever fee the Duke of York at Mrs, Clarke's? y;. Never. A/r. Fuller, S, Of your own knowledge do you knov/ of fuch a relative fituation between them : -y/. I don't underftand the queftion. Mr. Wilberforce, 0- "What paifed- between you and Mrs. Clarke as far as the interview has left any impreffiqn «n jour mind ? j^ When I firft came, fiie, Mrs Clarke, talked much of difficulty, and of fccrecy, and of the danger fhe incurred, if zny thing" fhe flid was permitted to tranfpire. T/je Lhancellor of the Exchequer. \.^. What were htr words ? - A I do not recollect, that was her meaning. c*^. Did you not know from Mr. Knight that the exchange was i.. iraia of being effedcd before Mrs, Clarke's influence was afticd ? ( o7 ) J. I undcrflood it would have been done in tiitic, Nlrs. Clarke was only aikcd to expedite it. li was a fair thin^ and would iiave gone regularly through the office. On Dr. Thvnne bein^" ordered to withdraw, KoBERT Knight, Effj. 'was called to the l)ar, and examined to the follovr-^ ing effe6i:. — '2. Did Mr. Robert Knight dcfire Dr. Thynne to ufe his influence with Mrs. Clarke for the purpofe of expediting an exchange between colonel Knight and colonel Brooke ? J. I did. i^ Did he authorize Dr. Thynne to hold out any pecu- niary temptation to Mrs. Clarke for that purpofe ? J, Yes. ^. To whiff amount? yl. Two hundred pounds. S. After the exchange was effedcd, did Mr, Knight fend any monev to Mrs. Clarice? J. I did. ^ To what amount? yl. Two hundred pounds. ^ Had colonel Knight any pofitive promife from the com'- mandcr in chief that he {hould be exchanged, prior to the application to Mrs, Clarke ? J. My brother had applied in the regular way, and re- ceived the ufual official anfwer, '*that whenever a proper fuc- cefibr could be found, there would be noobjedion to comply with his requeft " ^. The lall queftion having been repeated; Mr. Knight anfwered, No. C^ Why was an application made to Mrs. Clarke on the fubjca.? vV. Some delay had taken place, of the caufe of, which I was ignorant. 1 was anxious the exchange (hould be effexft- cd, as my brother was in a bad ftate of health. Dr. Thynne was attending my family at the time, and underftanding from him that he knew Mrs Clarke, and that (he poflibiy could be of fervice, I authorized him to offer hex the tw» hundred pounds. d. In what manner was the two hundred pounds convey- ed to Mrs. Clarke? © J. By ( 38 ) A. By my fcrvant under a bLink cover. • '-:2. Did IMr. Knight fee Mrs. CJarke Toon after the ex- change had been gazetted; and if fo, for what purpofe? A. I faw her in September, to thank her for her exertions. 3?. 'On that occafion did Mrs Clarke requeft fecrecy on the tranfatiftion, and did (he alfign any reafon for that re- queft ? A. Mrs. Clarke entreated that I would be fecret with re- iv^^ to the tranfadion, left it fhould come to the Duke of York's ears. 2. Has Mr. Knight feen Mrs. Clarke within the laft month ? A. Yes. ' '^, How happened it that he faw her? A, She fent me a note, to which I made no reply. Ten days ago ihe fent me another note, upon which I called on her, and Ihe aficed me the name of the officer who had ex- chaneed wirh mv brother. She made a nuir,bcr of com- plaints of the ill treatment fhe had experienced from his Royal Highnefs the Duke of York, who had left her two ihoufand pounds in debt, and expreiTed her determination 10 expofe him to the public, unlefs fhe could bring him to terms. I faid that it was her affair, and that I trufted (he would not produce me or my brother. Her reply was, " good God! no, 1 have no fuch intention. You can have nothing to do with it," This convcrfation pafled in her drawing- room. She again ftated that the Duke of York had left her two thoufand pounds in debt. He had {t^Vi nothing of Mrs. Clarke fmce; and he was much furprifed to hear his name mentioned in the manner it was. ^. Was the exchange in negcclation previous to the ap- plication to Mrs Clarke.'' A. I belie\e it was; my brother was out of town, who could bed anfwer the queftion. ■ ^. In what form was the negociation conduced? A. In the regular wav. 2. Did witncfs of his own knowledge underftand where the delay in effecting the exchange arofe t A. In the Duke of York's office. ^ In what department of that office ? A. 1 car.not precifely fay. Colonel Gocjon was fjcre- tarv at the time, r*. At ( 39 ) :^ At what hour of the day did Mr. Kiught fend the tv,c> hundred pounds to Mrs. Clarke ? .1. Kather earlv in the forenoon. . Did it confift of one or two notes ? -7. I believe two, of one hundred pounds each. S. From whom did he receive thofe notes ? j4. I do not recoiled. 5. How long was it after this ncgociaiioQ that the remil- tanctt was made ? jj. About a fortnight or three weeks. ^. Did Mr. Knight receive a noie from Mrs. Clarke, ac- companying the gazette, in wliich his Drother's exchange was announced ? ^. No, I received it from Dr. Thynne. 2. In his converfation with Mrs. Clarke did Mr. Knight underftand that Mr?. Clarke had adually applied to tiic Commander in Chief to expedite his-brother's exch-dPge, .and that the exchange was eifecfted in confcquence of that application ? y^. Of courfe Mrs. Clarke took credit to herfclf for the fuccefs of her application. (2. Did Mr. Knight ever learn from Mrs. Clarke that fhe had adaally applied to the Commander in Chief on the .fubjea ? y/. She told me fo. Mr, iVardle. i^. At the "time the application was ,raade, did witnefs underftand the Duke of York and Mrs, Clarke were living upon terms of intimacy ? (7his qucftion nvas (overruled,) Q. At the time when the tranfadion occurred, did Mrs. Clarke refide in Gloucefter- place. yi. She did. ^ Was it after Mrs, Clarke's application to the Cora- .mander in Chief that (he requefted lecrccy ? A. Yes. (). Did not Dr. Thynne traufmit to Mr Knipht the-ea- zeite in which his brother's exchange was annuuiiced? j^. I do not know but he might. i^ Was the gazette accompanied by a note from Mr5. Clarke to Dr. Thynne ? j^. I do not remember that it was. ^. Was it after the two hundred pounds was fcnt to D 2 ' Mrt. ( 40 ) Tvlrs Clarke that fne exprclTsd a defire that the tranfa(ftioa jnight be kept a fecret trom the Duke of York ? /^. Ye,. !^. Did fhe exprefs her defire to conceaJ from the Duke of Yor.-^ that two hundred pounds had been paid her, or what were the words ? J. She requefted that the whole bufinefs might be con- cealed from him. (I. Dici fae exprefs herfelf particular as to money, or in general converfarion on the tranfadion itfelf? J. On the iranfaclion itfelf. ^ "When was this wifh cxprefTed ? .■:. In September. ^2^ When Mrs. Clarke exprelTed a wifh for fecrecy, did fne alfo exprefs a wifh that his Roval Highnefs, the Duke of York ihould not know the circumllance ? ^. Certainly. ^. Was it not her wifh that the tranfaction fhould be kept fecret from the public ? yi. From him. ^ Can JMr Knight repeat the convcrfation that paflTcd on that occaficn.' .^, Not exa • .A. Not a -word.- After Mr.- Wardle" afked me how I did, he fpoke to the other ladies. £^ Did no other converfa-tion pafs between the "witnefs and Mr. Wardte?-- - • • .. :,-.. :. J. No. . ^"^ - - "^'•^'-Attorufyi'^eneral't Sir Vkary Giohi) ^ Does the witnefs knowMr. Robert-Knight? '* ■-;' -^ '- ' ' . ■ • ^. Yes* ;^. ...-..: .' • .tiv.fi:!: ' 'S mv:;> ^ How long has (he known him. ••"" ^.'-^ A He took an opportunity of calling on me in' Septem- ber, 1805, in company with Mr. Eiddulph. S. What converfation. pafTed? * ' p'^^'^j ^vi:- 1 -i ' y/.Itifefo long-fince, that I : feared v <-{e(^J{e(f^. Mr. Knight thanked me foe the influence 1 -Wd^ t^t^^rted in his brother's behalf; Mr. Biddulph had ibme favouYs to aflc of ine. ■ ' '. . .■■■->*'■ ,....,-.. .>,-^.-- . . ^. Did. the witnefs defire Mr. Knight to "keep the tranf- a^ion.a fecret ? A, Yes ( 44 ) /}. Yes, I did certainly. i^ Did flie exprcfs a wilh to keep it a fecret left it fhould reach the ears of his Royal Ilighnefs the Duke of York, or words to that cfftti ? J. Nothing like it. ^ Is fhe quite iurc of that ? yf. Pofitivc. 1>. When fhe told his Royal Highnefs that fhe expe(f^ed a comrliment for the fhare fhe fnould have in the bufinefs, did lie make any remark. J. Yis. ^ What was it, J His Royai Highnefs faid, that it was very well; they had been trying it for fome time; that he thought one of .them rather a bad fubjec^t, trjt that he would do it. ^ The witnefsha- faid, that when ilie received the two huQdred pounds ihe ihewed the notes to his Royal Highnefs j What obfervations did he make on the occafion ? ^. i\oc any thin^- rha* I recolleci. '2. When was the application firft made by Dr. Thynnc to .the witrrefs r --/. I do not exaflly remember. J^ On what day was the exchange gazetted? yi. Ido not recolledl the day. J^. Can the witnefs be fure that the firft application was made to her not more than three days before the exchange was gazetted? -- : vi. I da not think it was. (I, At what time of the year did the tranfa^lion take, phee? A. His Royal PJighnefs was going to Weymouth, about the end of July, or beginning of Auguft. ^ When did the witneefs firft mention this tranfaftion to colonel Wardle? , y/. I do not recoileft. S. About how long ago ? J. It muft have been very lately. (2- Why doQs (he fay it muft have been very lately ? ., ^. Becaufe I fpeak. Irom the fadt* Q. How long ago. A. Within the laft month. Colonel Wardle had heard of it in other quarters, and he attacked mc on the fubje(f^. y ^ ^. Had ( 45 ) - ^\ Had the wiinefs any knowledge of colonel V/ardle bciorc he attacked her on the fubjecft ? A. Yes. )0. What led to that knowledge ? J. Himfclf. i:?. Is the witncfs fpeakingof a time before colonel War- die attacked her ? -^. I am, I knew him before. iii. How lon» before? -:/. Perhaps fix months. a. Did the witnefs mention the tranfacftion voluntarily to colonel Wardle before he attacked licr on it? A. He aflced me it i: was trucj 1 told him yes. :t?. Did fhe fmte it voluntarily> or did (he only ftate it in anfwer to his inquiries ? A. When colonel Wardle told me he had heard of the bufinefs, I faid yes it was true> I did not think 1 fliould be brought here about it, or I (hould have been apt to deny it. l;> Would the witnefs bave willingly concealed it ? A Yes, I had fenfe enough to conceal any thing that •ught not to be made public. s2. To what other perfons -had the witnefs fpoken on this bufinefs befides colonel Wardle ? - . A* 1 do not recoiled. '" '''-J. How came the to mention to other friends what (be hcrfclf ihues ought to be kept from the public ? J. I did not fay I mentioned it ; it was mentioned^ and then Ifaid it was true. - i?. When the witnefs mentioned the tranfai^ion to colonel Wardle, did (he give to him the fame account as (he has given at the bar? "• J. No, 1 did not. IV Which account was true ? J. Both. ^. In what did the difference confift ? A» I don't fee any difference. Si, How ? A. I did not enter fo much into detail. 2, What! was the account fhe gave to colonel Wardle fbortcr than that which fhe has given to the houfe?" A. Conhdcrably. - - - . S. Can ( 4G ) f^^ Can the witnefs recoiled the day of the month or oi the week on which Dr Thvnnc applied to her ? .V. Neither the day of the month nor the day of the week. :<^ Neither? ^4. Not on fuch a trifling occafion. J::^ Did not the witnefs teli colonel Wardle on what day Dr Thvnne applied to her? .y No. i^ Did not fhe tell him that the application was made on Thurfday, and that the exchange was gazetted on the fucceeding Saturday ? ^4. I did not. ;';?. Has the witnefs told the honfc all ffie knew on the fubjeft ? yl. I'have told the houfe no more. (9. But have you told the houfe every thing you hare told colonel Wardle on the fubjedt ? J, Yes, and a great deal more. • On the requifuior> of Mr Brand, tlie witnefs was ordered to withdraw, ;nicl the honourable gentleman tlien Itated that the tendency of the Attorney-Gene- ral's queftions was to impeach the veracity of Mr. Wardle, which he did not confider a fair courfe of procedure towards his honourable friend. The Attorney- Gexehal denied that fuch was })• ap.y means liis intention. *' Whatever qucilions l)e iiad felt it his duty to put to tl)e witnef-^, was with the fole view of impeaching her veracky alone, and lie trultcd what he had faid, and what he would iav, would convince the houfe of her whole Itory being a malicious ikbrication, and not entitled to any credit, i-ie was far from thinking that any thing he could fay to expf)fe her falfchoods could in the leaii alfe6^ the veracity ofI\lr. Wardle, and nothing could be fartherfrom his intention." ' * The; witnefs was then called in, and re-examined by the Attorney-General. ^ Q, What circumflances have you communicated to the houfe which you did not ftato to Mr. Wardle? 4. I did ( 47 ) J. I did not intimate to Mr, VVardlc that a ferv.Tnt of tlic Duke of York had got mc change for the note, vvhicli I got done, that 1 might leave fome money with my fcrvanti. when I went out of town. <2. What other circumftances did you relate to the houfc that you had not told colonel Wardle ? J, 1 fttid vervi little to Mr. Wardle at all. He had heard the ftory from other people, and afkcd me whether it was true, and I anfwered — Yes. ^ '2, If colonel VVardle had not afked you to tell him, had you any intention of mentioning ir yourfclf ? , y/. Perhaps I might, and perhaps not. :a?. Had you any particular objecft to anfwer when you -mentioned it to him, or to any other perfon ? A. None whatever. ^^ Had you any end to accomplifh by making it known to the public ? A. Certainly not. Q. Did you ever ftate that you had any grounds of com- plaint againft the duke of York ? . A, My friends know that I hiave grounds of complaint againft him. ^ Did you ever ftate them to any perfon ? A. No, I never did. i^ Did you not ftate, that if his Royal HighncG did not fettle your demands upon himy that you would expofe him publicly ? , A. 1 told Mr. W'illiam Adam, in a letter, that if he did not pay me my annuity regularly, which he and the Duke of York had promifed me, that I would expofe the letters of his Koyal Highnefs, which he had at different times fent me. That was all I faid. . j^ Did you not, at various times, fay to different peo- ple, that if the Duke of York did .not come to your termt,, that you would expofe him f A, No, never in my life, to any perfon whatever, nor fhouid 1 willingly do it now. Mr. Adam wa* very angry at the letter I feni him ; imd that's all I tver did„ ^ Was it only one letter wherein you thrcateiicd to ex- pofe his royal highnefs .^ . . , , ■ ,.;i; - A. I wrote two letters. (7. Did you threaten to expofe the Duke in both thc-fc letters? ^ ....... A, Yes, ( 4S ) J, Ye^, but they were never fent. ■ ^. What became of them ? A, I fuppofe Mr. Adam has got them both by him, and he can produce them ? ^ In thofc letters did yo* fay, that if your folicitations were not complied with, that you would expofe the Duke? ^. I wifh you would afk Mr. Adam for the letters. ^, Did you ever ftate to other perfons that if your de- mands were not complied with, that you would expofe the Duke of York ? A, No, I never did, I am quite certain, ^ Did you ever tell Mr. VVardle that you wanted two hundred pounds for any particular purpofe? A. No, I did not. ^. Did you ever fay to Mr. Robert Knight, that the Duke of York had ill treated you, and that you was deter- mined to expofe him ? A. No, I did not. S^' You are fure you did not fay fo, nor any thing like if ' A. I told him 1 that fhould be compelled to publifh the Duke of York's letters to enable me to pay my creditors, which he had refufed to pay. --' »,^ ^ Did Mr. Knight pay you a vifit volujitarily, or did you fend for him ? A. I do not recollci^. 2. Upon what occafion did you mention him to Mr. Knight } J, After the Duke of York had fent me a meffage, in anfwer to a melTage I fent him for a {tw hundred pounds, rhat I mud plead my marriage, or go jafl. i?. When was that meflaere fent to vou ? J. About fix weeks ago. My lawyer can tell to whom it was fent. ig. Who is your lawyer ? A, Mr. Stokes. i^ Who carried the meflage from the duke to you ? A. A fort of lawyer that lives in Marvlebone. - V- ^ Did Mr. Robert Knight come to you voluntarily, or did vou fend for him ? .-/. I was in the habit of writing letters to Mr. Knight, nnd I dare fay he haa thein (lili, and can tell whether I fent for him. ^ Did C 4!' ) 2. Did you not fend for him particularly to come ^A tell him about the duke's letters ? J. I did not. Q. Did you not mention in your letter to 'him tliat you wanted to confult him upon the fubje(ft of publifhmg the duke's letters ? u4» It was only a common fort of letter, fuch as I was in the habit of fending to many gentlemec, as well as to Mr. Knight. P. You fay you are married ? A. I am. • ^. You gave out that you were a widow ? A. The duke of York told me to do fo, but that is of no confequence at all. Mr. Adam can tell who I am. The queftion was repeated, and the witnefs was ordered to anfwer it by the Chairman. A. I am a married woman. 2, How long ^ A. I refer you to Mr. Adam, who has my marriage ocr- trficate. ^ How long have you been married ? iA, Fourteen or fifteen years. S. Is your hu (band living;^ A. I don't know. Q, Have you not fworn yourfelf to be a widow ? A. No, I have not, but the Duke of York kelieres that I didy and he has thre^atencd to have mc punilhed for it. When I fent to him for a few hiindrcds, he feiit me for an anfwer, that he fnould have, me put in the pillory or -the Baftile, for faJfely fwcaring that I^Avas a widow, when I gave eviiience on^a court martial, hnt the faift was, that I Jtaicd to the deputy-judge advocate, who fliewed me great- er kindnefs in taking my evidence, tlian the gentleman wha is now examining nie is difpofed to do, that 1 wiflied myfelf to be defcribed a* a widow, as I did not wifh to tell I was a married woman, and the Duke of York, under whofe pro- tection I then lived, was alfo a married man. I mentioned this to the deputy judge advocate, at a dlnncr.taljle, and he er.tcred it in his notes, but I never fwore to it. u^\ Who.bpught thai laft mcflagc from the duke of York? A, A particular frie nd of the duke of York. E C. Wlar i ( 50 _ What is his name } J, One Taylor, who is a (hoe-maker in Boiid ftrcct. £^ By whogx did you fend your meffagc for a few hun- ^dreds ? A, By my pen. ^ By whom did you fend the letter? J, By the Amlajfador of Morocco^ The houfc frequently iaugbed at the anfwers given by the witnefs to feveral queftions put to her. "^ The Chairman addrefVed her and faid, that *^ her anfwers were frequently unbecoming the dignity of tliat affembly, and tlrat if Ihe did not anfwer in ano- ther manner, he lliould feel it his duty to pafs a very fevere cenfureupon her." Ordered to withdraw. Mr. Adam ftated, in her ahfence, that it was his "wifh that no queftions migl)t be put to her which mitiht enibarrafs her anAvers. The witnefs was again examined by the Attorney- General. ■ ^ Did you not fay to Mr. Adam that you was married? A, I faid fo, but only laughed at it. (2. Did you not perfevere in it? A. I told him that I only mentioned it as a joke. ^ Did you not learn that Mr. Adam had aded upon the belief that you were a married woman, from the inquiries he had been induced to make. A* Mr, Adam, nor any other perfon, can fiiy that I afted incorrectly whilft 1 was imder the Duke's proteftion,. 0. Did you not reprefent your hulhand as the nephew of Alderman Clarke? A. He told he was fo. ^. Did you ever fee Alderman Clarke ? :/?. I never faw any of Mr. Clarke's relations,/ but two of his brothers, and his fifter; I have feen the Alderman fomc- times about, as any body, elfe might have feen him. i>. Do you now believe that yourhuftjand is nephew to that gentleman. A. I never enquired fmce I quitted him; Heisnothing * Meaning the shoe-make:. tc Jitur-ated 2>y iraf>wo1 ) ro me, nor I to him. I have not fecn him for three years, when he threatened an action againft- the Duke. V Q. What bufmefb is your hulband ? -:.u4. He is nothing but a man. i^ Is he not a (lone-mafon ? ^. No. i:}. Did you ever live in Taviftock- place ? y/. YcM. <^ When ? ."If I do not know. i^ Did you ever live in Park -lane? ' ^. Yes. (?, Did you live any wKere clfe between thefe two periods ? J. I do not recoiled. The Duke might have tak^n me to fome other houfes. ^ When did you firft' know the duke ? ..:>• W. I beg to be excufed. i^ When did you firft know the duke ? id, I don't recoiled. • ^ Why did you wifli to be excufed ? . J. That was my only reafon, I do not think it a fair qneftion, and I am a married woman, and have a family of -children to bring up. ^ Do you mean to fay, that you was under the Duke's ".protedion in Taviftock-^Iace ? ^. I lived there fome time with my mother. • "!^ Did you wot Teprefcnt your felf in that neighbourhood to be a widow ? -'■• A, No, never bot-atthe coart-martial, and then I did it with a view of faving.my own reputation, that ot my iamily, and that of the Duke of York. " iP. You never reprefented to tradefmen that you was a widow. . ' J. No. ■* '"^. -Did you not ftate to Mr. Knight that you intended to -WHle a memoir of your life for -the laft fourteen or fittcen years, and that you had put it into the hands ot tliofe who 3wOi11d publith it ? ■ -- • . .' A. 1 don't recoiled what I faid, but refer to the letter, '"and that Avill fhew it.v E 2 i?. You ( 53 ) 0. You mentioned it to feveral other people bolide Mr. Wardle and Mr Knight. Who are they ? J, Indeed 1 dont recolleft. i^ Was any perfon prefent when you mentioned it to Mr, Wardle? //. 1 cannot undertake to fay. I believe there was a lady but there was no man. ^ Did you not mention it to any other man bcfidesMr. Wardle ? y1. I don't recolleft. ^ Do you know major Hogan ? yl. No I never faw the man; but Mr Greenwood Tent me a mefiage, fayinju: that he was very forry that I knew a. man of the name of Finneriy, whom I had known at Margae about nine years ago. Mr, Croker, 2. Do you recollect what gentleman the Duke meant whom he knew to be a bad fuhjeft ? This queftion was objected to and abandoned. Mr. Croker. ^Ij The witnefs has ftated that a converfation took place between her and Mr. R, Knight on the fubjedl of the memoir; fhe is now requeiled to ilatc to the houfe what that converfation was? J. Mr. R Knight fpoke to me about the memoir cer- tainly, but the purport of his -converfation was, that if I were about publifhing the memoir that I would fpare his brother. (^ Did any other converfation occur about that fubjef^> upon that occafion ? /i.^No. ^ Did witnefs make any inquiry of Mr. Knight, fur- ther relative to the bufmefs in that converfation ? A, No. ^ Has witnefs been in the habit of feeing colonri War- dle frequently fmce this inquiry was firft inflituted ? A. Yes. (2* How long fince any converfation took place between witnefs and colonel Wardle upon the fubje^lof the inquiry? jU Not long. (2. Has the converfation with colonel W^ardlc upon this fubjedl taken place fince Friday laft; ? A- The converfation between colonel Wardle and me on ihio fubjedt, took place before Friday. 2. Did ( '^^ ) / Q. Did wltncfs fee colonel NVardlc fince Saturday lad ? yl. I faw colonel Wardle at the opera on S;it'Jrdav. (I. Whqn did vvitnefs fird know that colonel V^ ardle me.i- tioDcd the bulinefs firil in the Houfe of Commons ? j-l. When 1 hrll faw the newTpaper-, and when I faw him after, I expreiTcd myfclf angry with iiim. i^ Did not witnefs fee colonel Wajdle on Saturday lad, vvhen fne iirft faw the ncwfpapers ? J, 1 do not recoiled. i^ Did fhe fee colonel Wardle on Sunday lafl ? -J) I faw him almoft every day or every fecond day. ^ Wl^en had witnefs the laft convcrfation with colonel Wardle about the bufinefs ? ,. ^., \Yhen I received, the fumraons to attend the Houfe of Commons. ^^ Did witnefsfec colonel Wardle yeftcrday ?. A. No, not vellerdav. ^ Is witnefs certain of that ? y7. Yes, 1 am certain. . . .,.,.. v!u^. Did vvitnefs. fee colonel Wardle in the foreaoonof this -3--L-<^f ♦'Cs I-cijd, two or three times. ,, ,... .,.. . .^ ., ^ Has witnefs had any converfatiorvwitJi -colonel Wardje Ofjjbi&fupjedi .within thefe tliree;laft>days,?5 /. ,^ ^\tj A* I had a cqnverfation witli ^cqkmel Wardle abou^ my aWendanee here, and he fai(fi,- thardfldld not attej>dK tJie houfe would commit me, a* they had committed fonKih£i;j5^ before*: ):r : - , :>-: - - . • -:•■.'' Hoji. Air, Lyttleton. ^ Did witnefs, in (hewing. llie n.Q^ ■to. the- Duke, of ,-Voris>-.i^ientioi>.;io hirairom.wihum^ihe^re- ceived It? , . .^.i-,y -?. J .--o: ■ ; .-.ir- . ■ . :; -!;.- --yy -.T. iaiy A. Certainly.-^ ; ... /■ }.^\ yy^i Did witn^fsrhavpany.gonverfation refpeding Finnejty, excepting with Tay.i^lf ? . _ . ... - . -• ^ . A. I was given to ui^lerftand hy Taylor that he was ionepf the pamphlet wcil^sj but ,h?kd no knowledge otii/ijw trifeof. Finnerty ;• never had. anycomraunicaiion with. him. Sir A^ ft^ot. a?. Did witnefs fee Mr. Biddulph and Mt. R. Knight?. t, . ^ . W» Yes* •< ■».'■• '• . ■" 7 «« -. • -v ■ »•• '"S. Did Mr. Knight call on witnefs lifter. fhe received the two hundred pounds ? c;■.-.....•. .z^. . g^%Did the witnefs entertain any reafon to conceal>- or did (he in faft ever conceal from iiis Royal Highncfs the , JDukeof York the vifiti of Jvlr. R.Xnight^ . • . ^» I never concealed the vifits of Mr. Knight, or any other gentleman from the Duke of York. .;;,-. Thf Chancellor of the Exch^uer, Q, Witnefs has ftated that colonel Wardle got acquainted yvith^he (ubjedt ^of Mr, Knight's l)^finefs, and that of others by means of lettrit ; how did colonel Wirdle get p6(fcffioh ^f ihcfe ^letters?- ''>• ■ ■••'■■ ■•"•^••J^ • . .:.: .^.-i^. ^ » ■ -J, He took them up# licad them, keprthcmy" and Iiievcr ;«ouid jerthcm-baok.' ■ '''■.' .;«-■-• -• ^ .:..::.'• xii'.iO/ :j^: .v;..ii. .•:'': -• ; .r ...^v ou. : --Q. How i 55 ) y. How (iid thefc letters come in the way of colonel 'Wardle? A, I was rennoving fomc articles, and among ihcm . -papers, and thefe happened to be lying loofe, and he took ■ them. — :;?. Did he take them away with the confcnt of witncfs, or without her authority ? ..A. He did not take them by my confcnt. Q^. Were thefe letters written to witnefs by the Duke of York? ^A, No, - — - ^. Whofe letters were they ? ''A. They were from different friends. . • d Did witnefs ever hear of an offer of money fronr the Duke of York for fupprefling the publicaticin of thefe letters, -or make one? A. Never. • •'•■ ■' » ''"" \^. Did witnefs ever thrcatei to pnt thefe letters into hands that would ma k« them public, unlefs certain xlaims .:lhe made were complied with"?' - i^. Never> I ncv^r wrote toanyonc but to' Mr. Adam ia»i:the;ifubjeft, and he >kas my letter^, let him prbdiice ^Ahcm, ■ -^ -'-fi - i - ■ ■■• .'- ...■'■■ •, . '1 ■ siu Lord Stanley, g. WaJ the Doke of York pre fent"vWien -witnefs received the letter that contained the 2«o/."'''^''^ : r.-^i^. How foon-did witnefs tcl! the duke of it? '' -^^'^ -sii ^. The fame day. ; ..' ... ^-m-' Sir Francit Burdett. g. Did witnefs receive anv orfier ' .-monies -for tranfadionstof a fimilar defcription with >thofc * jnentioncd by Mr. Knigfet ?<-•.' i>' * A. I did not expe^ to^ examined as to any othet Jib- r.jcft this night. --•' ic «:■■»)* ^ y, i-'i-. - *---»--:; i. .i.\ Here the witifcfs^ was permitted to withdraw! ' ^ ; A 'converiation tneh took place, ^bj yvay^ ^of f mutual expliauati6ij,',i>€j:ween "Mr. l3eresforci,j ^Jr. Wardle, and" Mr. Wlntbread; which ended ir>j^r. ...Sutton,, the deputy advocal,e gener-^l,^beini!^: caJled, whereupon Mr. Wardle rofe, and having, fi^nitied a that ISIr. Sutton was not in attendance, he would be prepared to proceed further the next day. \\'lLLIAM ( 56 ) Vv^iLLTAM Adam. Kfq, a member of the HouTe, was examined iiilji:i plaee as follows: ■^ You' have heard the account which- the laft witnefs has ei^'err of the part you took in this tranlacftion ; will youign'C your own accoont of it? J. I uifh to (tare to the committee, in anfwer to the queflion put to meby the honourable and learned gentleman over againft me, that, I believe, in the year 17B9, I was firft defired bv his Koval Hi^jhnefs the Duke of York to look into fome concerns of hi^. From that time to the prefent period I have continued mv'attention to thofe concerns, and I have continued it -upon the ground- that I.ltated the other rrtght to the houfe;- namely, that it is not profefiional, 'that it is not attended with anv emolument whatever, but it has been perfefily gratuitous on my part. 1 felt it a duty, when engaged in it, to difcharge all of ir, and every part of "it,- svnrh as mach fideiity, -"accuracy, -and attention as I could. Ittrame to my knowledge, iatGia the.iyear 1805, that the hufband of the perfon who has bceii coca mined at the bar,- threatcned'^an-^ftion' for- criminal- eonverfation againft the Duke of -York : it was necei±ajyno inquire into the circumftances of the cafe; and it fell to my lot. frOfa>tb ( 59 ) performed* acconiing to her behaviour^ -and • that he Tnig>,t thcrctbrc have it in his power ta withdraw the annuity,- ia* cafe her behaviour was- fuch as ta make him confidcr rhst it was unfit it fhould he paid. That was the -nature T)f the propofition which I made, and no/other. The:converfatiGn laftcdfora very fhicrt tinne. I left the Jady, and 1 have not feen her from that tiniC' to the prcfcnt moment; Thfefe circumftances feem to me in the narrationt all that is ne- ceiTary to be ftated with refpeft to the part of the tranf- aftion in-which my name has been fo frequentlyofed. There ^rcj however, two other matters, the one in which mr name was tifcd when it was firft introduced, and the other refpcfting a particular perfonr upon which I wifh to ftate the fads to the committee. 1 did, atfome time in the year i8o8. receive a letter, I think- the nth of Jane; I will ^lot be q«ite fure about the date, but I think it is marked, -in my own hand, the Ilthof June i8o8, which is the letter ^vhich.has been alluded to. lam not in poffeflion of the letter,^! gave it into the fame cuftody that had the papers which confthuted the inveftigation I have ftated ; that letter Khali' ftate nothing of the contents of; I only mean to fay» that letter is in a fUMation to be produced^ and, I fuppofe, from what has pafied, there will be no necelTity for any thing more. The other faft towhich I wifh ta fpeak,-i8 with refpeft to the perfons to whom I employed. Wni\ re- fpedt:toMr.Wilkinfon, the committee have already hea^rd the manner in which he has been employ^rd, and thoiewho know him, know his capacity for that eieployment Witn regard to the other perfon, of the name of Taylor, i can onlyfay that I never happened to fee that perfon in the whole c^urfe of my life. If, in what I have ftared, in which the * fads only can be confidered as evidence, but which I have endeavoured to tnake intelligible by conne^- ing circumftance<5, anything has arifen for any queftion to be put to m^, I am moft anxiuus that all, or any gentleman in the houfe fhould call uporf - me to anfweT'if. The reparation took place upon the it tb of May, t8o6; the tranfadidn, which has been examined, took place itij«ly, > i?. Did you guarantee thi^^mndity ? * " " '■' '^ ^ '•' " • -' JJd Never : 1 ftated that it was td depend ^ntirelr 'vpon her behaviour, and not to be guaranteed, becaufc ihe Duke of ( 60 ) •rVork was to be at liberty to withdraw it, in cafe of her behaviour renderings it proper fo to do. Jl. Was the premife, whatever it was, made to her in a, letter written by you. j.W. Tbat-was what. I flatcd in converfation. -♦Q.-Whcn you announced the reparation, it \ras not by a converfation, but by a (hort letter written to her ? - A. I did not ilatc that the (hort letter was written by me, but that the (hort letter was written by the Duke of York. On fubjefts of this kind, not having had any opportunity of refrelhing my memory, I may not have been perfcdly cprred in trifling particulars, but now I can ftate, that the only letter I ever wrote lo her was a very fhort note, that I was coming to wait upon her in confequence of the Duke of York's wiflaes that I.fhould do fo. ^ Did Mrs. Clarke appear exafperated at the fepara- tion ? A, She appeared very much furprifed at the communica- tion; fhe did not appear exafperated, but flie declared her determination toufee the Duke of York again,; and;, I colleded, from what fhe faid, that flie expeded to be, able io prevail upon him to receive heragain ulider his pro- tedioo. . * , . „ ,. r ^ Did (he know; that you had been adive in explaining tfce nature of. her condud to the Duke of York? - ^. I had every reafcn to believe, fo j I do not.k^ow. ii of. my own knowledge; -. .. /m..-"':' A.- . :: ' .T ■ GwYLLUM Lloyd Wardle, EAj. a IMenibcrTof the Houfe, was examined inhis place, as follows : i.*?-* ^ Had you only one fhort converfation with Mrs.' Clarke, upon the fubje^t of to-night's inquiry ? y/. That is a difficult queftion to arJwer exai^y, there: are fuch varieiy-of cafes I have talked over whh her from time to time. I de not know exactly the time. when I talk-- ed this cafe over with her j I had heard of it before, and, in fhort, got out of her more than fhe told me, voluntarily. She attacked me very warmly with refpc^ to another cafe, which 1 mentioned, and Ibelicve fhe fpoke gencjcally of the whole. When the matter was talked over between ui, I took my pen and ink, and eiuered tyziy thicg, which ^ 4 palfcel ( <^1 } paiTcd, in a book. I do not believe that I have aAi&Tti. any part of what I entered. I believe 1 never had but one- pointed converfation on this cafe; whetheri in fpeaking of other cafes, I have touched upon that, I cannot fay, the cafe has remaified in that book ever fince ; and I took a coyy the other day, from that book, of what I had written. a. What you flated to the houfe, was what ycm had col- ledled from Mrs Clarke ? J. What in part I had coUcded from Mrs. Clarke, and In part from other quarters. 2. Did you ftate to the houfe any thing as having; pafled between Mrs. Clarke and thofe perfons who were immediate agents in this tranfadion, except what you colleded from her .? A, I fancy, a good deal, I know fome points; but I believe a good deal of the main points were ftated from the bopki which I had written, when I had converfcd with her upon the fubjeft.. ^0. Did fhc'ftate to you tliat this paSed on the 25th c5f 4. No, (he did not, certainly. I do not think fhe was at all aware of this pofitive date. I remember, at the time ,pT. the converfation, (lie mentioned the circuratlance of Lord Chefterfield's chriftening, and feemed guided by that; that his Royal Highnefs was going down to that chriftening; and, by that, fhe made out the period to be in July, when the tranfaftion took place. .^ Upon what authority did vou ftate, with particularity that this took place or\ Thurfday the 25th of July; this agreement for the two hundred pounds ? ^. She, upon taking note of that chriftening, and taking note of the Gazette alfb, was pofitive then in her aflertion (I remember perfefily well). that the thing was propofed on the Thurfday," and done on the Saturday ;. that was her pofTtive ailertion, from the firft to the Jaft; and that it was that. led me to ftatc it. , '2. I underftand you to have ftated, tliat flic did not • ftate it to be on the 25th? A. She" did not, in the firft inftance ; the Gazette wa&- No. II. F ' t ■ ionnd. ( 62 ) found, and the moment it was looked into, fhft was fo po- ^tive as to the Thurfday and the Saturday, that nj doubt leinained upon her mind. 0. Have you a particular rccolleclion. ihat it was at laft brought to the Thursday, the 2_5th cf July ? J. I ha\e ically no further recollection; I have no •other guide. -\ Do ycu remember that it was the Thurfday pre- ceding the Saturday on which the Gazette was pub- iifiied? ... A. T do not know how to ma':e the matter clearer; thefc were the two pointb that guided me in my aflertion ; if I was -wron^ in my aflertion, it was a blunder arifing. from that. ^ Is the Committee to underftand, that, while Mrs, Clarke an.l yourfelf were feeking to fix the day on which this tranfaftion took place, the Gazette was found; and, thai finding the fiate of that, and confidering the time which had preceded it, you fixed the date on which. the of» fcr was made to be on the Thurfday preceding? ,.^ ^v.. , ' ' J. I mean merely -to alTert, that,' from the' cvj.dence yirs. Clarke^gaveme, and. from the information I got from the Gnzette, I fixed that it muft be on the very day I mentioned; I had no other guide to go by of one de- fcripticn or another; and I do not fee that 1 am to fland. here, however willing I may be, after the very, heavy ex- amination which that VVitnefs has gone through, which, I believe, many gentlemen may think with myfelf, moft tire, any yenrieman ; 1 do not feel difpofed to fubmit to the fame- fort of difcipline ; (he never did, to the bed of my lecoile'dicn, give me any pther date than that I have men- tioned, — the chriilening of my Lord Chefterfield ; and I remember her ftating, that the thing was petitioned' on the Thurfday, and done on the Saturday; more than that^ X really do not recoUeift on the fubjed. Any queftion which I can anfwer, 1 fhall be willing to anfvt*er, but laio not know how further to anfwer that. . I afterwards.in- quired, and afcertainedj . when ihat chxtj^j^ug was; and, irom'.^hat and the Gazette, I mentiojnrcd' the dapc, which I thought was corredt; wijgther it was or not,:I cannot itatc. 'f £. The ( 63 ) f2. The Gazette was referred to as a medium of proof. at the tirac ? ^4. No ; I referred to the Gazetie fince. 0. Was that in the prefence of Mrs. Clarke ? -df. No, it was not. i^ Was that circumftance communicated to her ? ji. Not by me ; I do not know that it was ? i^ I undcrdood you to have faid, that you and Mr', Clarke upon referring to the Gazette, and ether circum- ftances which occurred to you, fixed, that the time mult have been about Thurfday, the 25th of July? ^. Then I faid what I did not mean; the cfinverfaiion was refpe(fting the chriftening ; 1 made enquiry when the chriftening was of a friend or two of my own ; a;vd I men- tioned it from that : whether between that period and this 1 naay have named the date to he , or fne got it from another quarter, I cannot hy ; that of the three days was all the information that I obtained from her as to the date. (^.'Is it true that you took away fome papers from jMrs. Clarke againft her vvill, and without herconfent ? 'A. I certainly did take fome letters away from Mrs. Clarke, which I did not believe Ihe exaftly approved at the moment; I did it in that fort of way, there was no force in the bufinefi ; bat amono^ft papers, (he was in the ' "habir of giving me letters refpe(fling the' cafes; and^fne gave -me one or two cf Mr. Donovan's: there were oiie or two of Mr. Donovan's, and one or two of light momen; from another quarter on the table. I faid, I will take this avi'i-, ; and fhe faid, thofe are from .a friend of mine, and . he muft not he touched; that made me curious about the letters; and they were certainly letters of very great mo- ment : I have had them in my pofTefTion ever fince, 3. Mrs, Clarke had been in the habit of communi- cating letters to you upon this fubjeft before that time ? j4. One or two letters, not relative to this cafe; but one or two letters much about that time, juft about that period, fhe communicated to me- 2. Relative to the Duke of York > A, No, not relattve to the Duke of York; that had no- thing at all to do with this bufmefs. F 2 S. Why ( 64 ) 'Jt'. "V^'fav was it that he was not to be touched ? A. It was Mr. Donovan's. 'J?. Did Mrs. Clarke ever flate to you, that fhe hnJ -dated to his Royal Highncfs the Duke c{ York her wifhes to go into the country, and that thofe wifhes might be gratified without any expence to his Royal Highnefs, as an opportunity had occurred to her of obtaining the fum cf -two hundred pounds. J. No ; fhe iiated to rac, to the beft of my recollcdi©!*, ^hat (lie wanted to go into the country; that Ihe told bis Royal Highnefs that there was two hundred pounds could t)e.had for that exchange, and that (he got it, and went in confeqoence. I do not recolle . -.'. • • queft ( 6.0 ) queft to the Commander in Cluef, (lie had mentioned to liim that (he was to receive a pecuniary conrideraiiufed'as*trt a pariicalar perfon, who was not to be touched, . impfy thttt* Uiefe jwere ifome proceedings toi)e. inftit^^d conccrtSmg fame olhet pej fons ^ • * •> j^. I have no reafon to think that -(he meant any more than exaQly what (he faid, that when I- got hoW of hhofe letters (he knew I was pofTefTed of faflsthat vso«ld leucU Mr. Donovan; I do not think fire conneded anj othfer uiaUer withit, • "-•. ;• ^ '■- »*'r» ^ With refpe£l to thofe fetters which you crarrted avvay fcom-xMrs. Clarke's, has Mrs. Clarke (ince made ap- plication to you for thofe letters? ' >■'-• ■u2j^'. .Yg$, the has ; and^was very much enraged with roe, pflrliculariyifor having faid what 1 did reipefling Mr, Donovan. ^ . . .< -v-v^ il. Was the converfation whfch took place on Saturday, the Cjonverfation to which you alluded, in which yeni re* chived the iolormaliun upon which you procteJed^ - - - . f 5 J, That ( «G ) '^i^That was fubfequeni to my motron, ^ Did you (ee iMfS. Clarke yefterday ? - A. Yes, a& 1 have faid belore, I was in her drawing room, when flie had company laft night. ^ She was in that drawing room ? - ji. Yes, certainly. ' ^ Is.it poffible that flie fhould not have feen you in the drawing room at that time ? . ^/ No, it is lolally impoffible. . ^^ I underftand you ^o fay, that being informed that the gazetting toolc place within two or three days after the original order, you provided yourfelf with the Gazette of Saturday, in which that appointment appeared, and fo calculating backwards, fixed Thurfday as the day on which Ihe propofilion had been made ? ' A. 1 underftood from the firfl, that it was on the 'Thurfday that ■the'^ exchange had been applied for, and that the b>}ti«efs was completed on the Saturday ; that is entered' in. my book, in the firft converfation, thai (lie un- /^eyilgod it was. gazetted on! the Saturday, or in two or Ihree days. ^ ^. The C7a;3)etfcCio'' which this is aBnounced is dated on *|tje Tuefday ?_.. ../^. Yes, I am, perfe^ly aware of that fa£t : that is a "blunder of her's; but I never heard any one thing to make aoe doubt thatit was fo till to-night. "^ . ,2. Being a^ed* whether you were not at Mrs. Clarke's y^fterday, you anfwered that you had been there about nine o'clock ii)4he evening; were you not al Mrs. Clarke's houfe at any prior hour oi yefterday ? ; ^._ I called at Mrs. Claike's yefterday morning, fhe was ^ot at horoei. I returned in the evening, and had a conver- fation with her for a few minutesl u^ i i i:v>v ^ * •:' ■-f"''' ^ S, Did you merely call at- Mrs. Clarke's houfe; did you jiot go into it, ^qd wait a very confiderable, time at Mrs. Clarke's houfe ? . A. ,1 vvas up in; Mrs. Clarke's drawing room for fome time in the morning, 1 did not fee her then, but 1 faw h9i in ike afi^rnQgny; .. < . •V.4."-:* ' >•' WILLIAM ( 67 ; WILLIAM ADAM, Esq. was aga ill examined in his place, as follows: ^. Having mentioned (he annuity which was condl- lionally promifed, can you Hate whether that annuity was a^ually paid ; and, U (b, for how long ? yl. 1 can flate nothing refpefting the payment ; I had rothing at all to do with it ; I never heard any thing of it fron) the lime when I had the fecond and laft interview. . ^ You have ftaled, that the annuity was to be continued fo long as Mrs. Clarke*scondu6l wascorre and. I ilated in my evidence, that at that time, nor at any time ..|ill recently, I had any nqlion that there were anytrafif- aflions of this kind in which (he had been in any way .£oncQrneiJ ;. Thole pecuniary concerns to which Xalluded, .were the ufe of the Duke of York's name for the purpofe pf raifipg .iponey, fo as to involve his credit and charafler, j)Ul ngt.by th^ Tale of comniiiTions. , j -.i. lui;.' ». a^i^ns 1 Zn^yfrt^ by l^^imoo/t. t^twi n sLyfrh /»;■ Jt/^w/nndftm . • 1% \^v^ GO ) actions I have, that there were no other'; ; the promi:!,"r.t letter was that of the 11th of June, 1808, which 1 unnu'- diatel)' indorfcd, and delivered over to Mr. VViikinfou. COLONEL GOPvDON. £^. Do you hold any oiHcc under the Commander in Chief? A. Yes, I do. i^ What is it } A. His Military or Public Secretary. S. Docs the bufinefa of exchanging commiit;ons paf- through youroifice, A* It does. ^ Can any tranfafticn of that nature pafs without your knowledge } J. It is quite impoflible. -- Q. Do ill tiie-documeuts by which the pcrfons, who apply •Co exchange, or recommended, pafs through your office? A. Theydx). ^ Do they pafs firfl under your examination and con- iideration ? ■A. Generally; I might alfo fay always. ^. Do you report' the refult to the Commander in Chief? A, Moft undoubtedly, without fail. 0. Hqw long have you held the office that you do at prclent? A. About four rears and a half. il. Did you hold it in 1 8c5? A, I did. 0. When any exchanc^e has obtained the approbation cif^' the Commander in Chief> is there a minute made of it ? ' A. Always. • ' '.' ""' ''' " ' ' . 2. After that, -are the commiiTions made out purfuant to that minute ? A. After an exchange, or any commifTion has obtained the approbation of the Commander in Chief, it is imme- diately fubmitted to the confideration of his Majcl^y; flfter his Majcily's approbation and fignarurc has been af- fixed to the paper fo lubmitted, it is fent to the S"ecrcrar)- at War, for the purpofc of having commiiTions made out correfponding. ( 70 ) corferpondir!g to the names placed in that paper previouily fubiniued to the -Xing, and ihen to be put in the Ga- zette. ^ Arc the commini'^ns alfo figned by his Mnjefty before they are gazetted ? j. No; perhaps I ili'-'uld explain, that they are made Out in the War- office at'^^r the gazcrting ; the. gazetting is the immediarc aft fo)lo\» ng the iignature of the King-, a notification to the arm} , tnat his MajeRy has approved of thole appointments, and ne defircs his' Secretary at'VVar to prepare the cocnrailfion'? accordingly: they are made out more at leifure. ■'. ' • * v- , [*J. You will fee mentionrr' in the Gazette the exchange between Colonel Knight nr ' Cfjloncl Brooke; when did that cxchatige receive the at rotation of the Commander in Chief ? y/. On the 23d cf July, 1^05'. ^ When you fay that the approbation took place on the 23d of July, 1805, y°" ^^^^'" ^° fonie document in your hand ; is that any memorandam made in your office ? >a'. It is. S. Is it the courfe of your office, that, when the ap- ptobaiion of the Commander in Chief is figni£ed> there iliould be a memorandum made of it ? . . An I think I may fay invariably. s?. "Was the approbation of the Commander in Chief to this exchange -finally obtained on the 23d of July? J. It was. * J^ Do you keep records in the office of all the applica- tions that are made for promotions or exchanges ? yL Yes, I do, very carefully j and every paper of every kind, and every fort, that comes into that office, I pre- ferve with the greateft poffible care. I^, Is thai paper which you hold in your hand, the ori- ginal document which is brought from your office? ji. Yes, it is. a?. That which you hold in your hand being the original document which you brought from the office, is it alfo the document to which^you juft looked, and declared that the approbation of the Commander in Chief was obtained on the 23d ? , < ,. :" M Yes, ( '1 ) .j^. Yes, it is the only paper I have looked at fincc I cTii tered this houfe, except the Gazette. ^. You have itated, that you keep an account of . all the applicatidfts that are made for promotion or for ex- change, and that that is prcfervcd in the ofncc ? J. I did {late it fo. ' ? (?. Could you, upon any other occafion, with reference to any other exchange, as you have with reference to thii, £nd the memorandum which denoted the time at which the". approbation of jthe. Commander in Chief was procured ? . r A', Yesj I think I could, with the fame facility wiili which • I have put -ray hand upon this, *;2. Are you able to ftate who recommended Colonel' Knight and Colonel Brooke for that exchange ? ^^This paper^ with your permillion, i will read it; it' will fpeak for itf^if. - . /fCblDnel Gordon read, and then delivered in a. letter, from MeflVs. Greenwood and Cox tb'" himfelf; dated Craig's-court, July lit 1803, * ^K (a) Brooke's ?irvice's.- Cornet, 8 Dns. £y June 93 <. , m ' '- Lieitt. 8S F ' - .7 Qct, 9^ " * C. L. Capt. Tnd. Co.' ' 14 Dec. ^-h ccpinoi he acceded tOyJI. RJh.) 96 - 25 Mar. 94 does not approve of the exchange Maj. - - i.'5 Dec. 9-i proposed. Placed on half-pay ..Mar^ .j98 . -. Sir, ' - ' Bt.'Lt. Col. -' 1 Jan. IBOO.. . By direction of General Norton • Maj. 48 - 2f ^lay^SO-i'-.vrc. h^yy *||i^,- honour/to inclose a CanceHed -' 9 Juto,l 80-i- ' forfn,,4igned by Brevet Liouteaaoi;4r Maj. 56 -^ - 5 Jan. 1805 ColjOael Brooke ot the 5 6lh regi-^ merit, to exchange -with Brevet" *^3Jufi/. 05 . LieuLenaQt Colonel Knicht of t>.o . i/. R. II. does Hoic approve of this 5ih Dragooatiipirdj, together with- . exchange. ^ ' ^ a ciH'y of u leitor i'rom Licuicnaat Colonel Knight, ."lUtiiiK) that he is satiitied with the security given foppavmcnt of the v^'ulated' difference between the value of the two coirvmiifiions ; . . bem^ informed the counterpart <>f the ex- change has been S3 i': in through the Agents of iho 5ih Drapaonj ^ ... . ---i- .ft .'t'"-' ■ * The Word* in Italics are in Pencil Marks in the Original. Guard* ( 72 ) . ^. Is it \'our conrfe, upon a recommendation of this fort being put in, to enquire into the merits of the applicants ? J. Moft undoubtedly, in every cafe; but particularly iu the ciife of field officers of regiments. (7? Is it vour courfe to report to the Commander in Chief he refult of thofe inquiries? A. Invariably. , ^ When the Commander in Chief has ever drawn a different conclufion upon the fads ftatcd, than that whicli you have drawn, has it always been the courfe to affign to you a Tcafon for that ? J, I think he has ; but if he did not, I fhould mofl un- doubtedly have taken the liberty to have afked him ? O. Where, in fuch a cafe, no reafon has been affigned, are you certain that you have always alked him? J. Moft undoubtedly. 2. In this cafe, have you any doubt that you made the nccefiary inquiries upon the reprefentations made to you by this memorial ? Guards, you will be pleased to submit the same to Field Marshal his Royal Highness the Duke of York, We have tht; honour to be, , Sir, Your most obedient, humble Servant?, Grlenwood asj} Cox. Craig's-pourt, Ist.Tnlv, 1805. Lt. Colonel Gerdon, t hximble Servant, W. Brooke, Bt. Lt, Col. 3c Major 56 ft. To the Colonel y or Commarrdtvg Oficer, • fif the bGth ReiTiment. " I approve of the above exchange, and, I verily hfUove, no chu- douiic bargain subsists between ih( ]>ririu^ riinoerned. C. Nortoi), Colonel. J, Nonf ( 75 ) A. Koiic wkatever; l«fn«cft^ivc ^>ofitive that I did do fo. ^ Was the, uUimatQ 4ppP'ub*tyunot iln* cxchani^e the le- fulc pf Tnofc.emjUincs r 71 i ,-. :. y/. I firmly believe fo. ^ Do ypu,4irai,iK!bcJi^TC' thit.it was in cooft^quence of vour report to his Royal Hiohnci's?. ^■1. Yes, moit liccidediy Ido, • 'il. If his Pvoyal HighneGi in.appnojviqg this exchange, 1iailf^<^l«d-other\vife.tiaan ac^orciin^.-*;© your report, is it^of- fil^lje that that fat^. could hav,e el^j?e4. yyur mejDcry ?• A» It is fbme time fince this exchange took place; but T am Fcuth in (the habit of tranfacling • bufmcfs of this kind, and I do not think that it cquld have efcaped my memory* ;;?. Would it have ftruck you as an extraordinary and un- ufual tranfactioni if the CouMnander in Chief had aCted contrary to the refult that -was drawn from the commuuica. ,tioi^s mftde by you, ;vvithQ.ut Afiiguing- any reafon ior it ? -^, iL'nJtfs^ his Royal H^hcefs hadafijgned a rcafoufor ity it certainly would have Itrtack me as very extraordinary. i?. Have you any doubt upon reirefhing your memory as well as you can, by all the papers you. have, and recalling the-fads to yonrTecoUec'tion, .that the approbation of hii Roval Highnefs was gained to this exchatjge, as the rcfuit of ihf memorial prefented " to you, and'tiie inquiaes made,by youcTclf, aod, communicated to his iloval High- •ne/s? ■ .-■''■■ ■ ■ .-■■■■■> A» I cannot doubt it far a moment. i?. This' repre-Centaticn, I obfervc, is made on the flrfl cfjuly, and h is'nnt completed till the 25rd; do you find thartltere u'hs ^nv de'I^v in brin^rinq- the bufmefs to a con- tlufion, and that it was at firft iloppcd ? A^ Yes,, there was, .aod it wa^ itopped, ■" .(^^ Are you rjow able 'td^ate,' IrDm yotir recolle(5\ion, Ujioh'whiiT g^roun'd it was "^r firflr flopp(id ? A, To the beft of my recoHeftior5,it was flopped upon this ground J .upon referring, to the ferviccs of the refpec- tivc'of5ctffS,'4s^i^Mriv'arinbly'the pra6\ice, I found that the ferviccs oF Lieutenant- colonel /^rooke, for the lafl fevea years, had, been upon the balf-pfty ; confeqiicntly, it be- ■<3me neceflar)' to make iaicre thr.n ufuni inquiries refpe^lt- 3n^. colonel Brock'?, brfarc' he could be recommended for 'No-.Tir. G ±t ( 74 ) the fituaiion of mnjor to a Tcgimtnt of -cavalry ; when thofe inquiries were made» and 1 was fatiified that colonel Brooke was a ftt and proper perfon, 1 made that report to the Com- mander in Chief; and as I have faid before, I believe it was upon my report fo made, that the Commander in Chief ac- ceded to the exchange. s?. Are you quite fure that there was no difficulty or rub on the part of colonel Knight? A, 1 am perfed\ly fure ; if the houfe will permit me, I v»Iil read my anfwer to colonel Knight upon this fubjcdj. [Colonel Gordon read, and then delivered in, a Jetter from himfdf to colonel Knight, dated the i^lft June, 1805, viz.] « SIR, Horse Guards, ^\H June, 1805. •• Having laid before the Commander ia Chief your letter of the 10th instant, 1 am directed to acquaint you, that \\\& Royal Hicrhness has no objection to your exchanging to tlie Infantry, receivins the difference; and when au eligible successorcaa be recommended, your request will be taken into consideration. " I am, &c. (Signed) " J. W. GORDON" <» Bt, Lt Col. Knight y b Dgn. Gds The eligibility, therefore, mufl have depended upon colonel Brooke. S^ Then 1 am to underftand from you, that colonel Knight had made an application to exchange, previous to this memorial prefented by Greenwood and Cox, in the name of general Norton ? J. Yes, he had. i^« And that by this lettjpr of the 2ift of June, it was fignified to him, that his propofal was accepted; if an eligi- ble fuccefTor was found ? A, Certainly. fYou are fatlsficd that the delay arofc from the doubt refpefl to colonel Drookc ? " - J, I have fo ftated it. i^ Have you any doubt that you purfued tlie neccffary iB^uirics for clearing up that difficulty ? A None ( '5 ) A* None, whatever. ^f Have you any doubt that tlie apnrohar'on of tnr Commander in C.^hief wan ultimatclv obtained, in confc' qucnce of thofe ini|uiries having cleaicd up thedilriculrv : A. None, whatever; 1 underllood that 1 had I'tated ih:.r before. i^. Was there any greater delay in thv-^ cafe, than Wai; nccefTary for the purpofe of prolccuting fuch inquiries ? ' yJ. None whatever; fimilar delays occur in fim:l:..r iranf- aftions, almoft every week. i^ Was there any thing, from the beginnino; to the inc. of this tranfadiion, which diftino-uifhe.*^ it from oiher trani- aftions of the fame fort, relative to the fame kind cf ex- changes ? J, Certainly not ; I was much furrrifed, when 1 heard of the difficulty firft ilarted in this Honourabe lioufe. about * three nights ago, 2. In any converfation that you have had, upon t!'.e fuh* je6l of this exchange, with the Commander in Chief, do you recoiled a wilh being expreffed, that the conclufion o£ theiexchange might be expedited ? A. No, certainly not; the expreflioQ of fnch a wifh AVQuld have been very futile, for it would not have- expedited the exchange one half inftant ; it would have gone -on in the ufual courfe. ^ Do you recoiled inftances upon the part of the Com- - mander in Chief, ftoce you have been in office, tending to create a greater expedition than the neceffary courfe of official bufinefs permits ? . A'. '-Never in the current bufinefs of the^office. I bes: to explain .to the houfe : the common bufinefs of army pro- motions is laid before the King once a week, and never twice a week : When any expedition is fitted out, and that offi-cejs are fuddenly appointed to fuch expeditions; then, andrthen only a feparate paper is fubmitted to his Alijeily* with their names excluiively, and they are not included in the common weekly paper. •' ' .;^ Are the committee to underftand, that, in the or- dinary courfe of military promotion or exchange, the office is always permitted to take its courfe ? *:--rr.. i. ♦.-.,. ..,: . . G2 A: Invariably*; ( T6 ) A, Invariably; I never recolledt ao inftance to ili'c con- trary. . ^ You have ftatcd, that colonel Brooke had been for feven tears on halt- pay; in -proportion to the iencih of time -that an oSicer has been., opon balf-piay* and con- i^quentlv been raoved our of fight from ordinary niilitarr obfervation, is it not n^efTarx- that there ffioard be a much longer, period or inquiry to diicovcr vrhat-his condu(ft has been ? .'/. Perhaps i: may be fo, bu:. I -cannot exadtly {ny that, as 1 am in the habit of fecrrg- twcntyr thirry, and forty of- ficers i;! the. array aliuoii every day of my life ; and gene*, rally, from Tc^me ct tJiofc* i can afjcrtccm parrioukrs re- fpeclingany clr.ccrl churfe, and that without lettiiigp them, know the pirrpcfe for whichl require it. ^ VVas t!>e pcrioa of ticac for this exchange beyond iho ordinary period in fueh cafes. • L ' j^. Certainly not. S. Did the Ccnjmacdef ia Chief ever ftatctc yOtj or did you ever hear, .that he thought that oue ofi thcfc prr- fons, either colonel Knight or eclonei Brooke, was a bad fubjed;/ -J. I never heard him exprefs any fuck dvreg-. ^. Can you rake open youcfcii to. fay,, that, no t>ptnioa of the Comm'inder in Chief's, that one ol thefi? was a had' fubjefl,' was the occafioa of 2017 dcliiy in- tiie completin'T " this exchange ? ■ v^. Yes, 1 certainly can; the Coramander in- Chief is. very cautious in expreff.ng himfelf fa. iijongiy on the 'con- diict of any o&cer ; if the Corarnaader in Chief it as- to expref? bimfelf fo fttongiy -upon: ihe. conduct of I fhould conceive -that there: was ironiethiBg in the- conduct of tiaaL officer tha-t JKc^aiTcd more than cocrmoa inqu-iry. ' •. • i^ Then are the cojumittec. toaniktftand, that ncMuoiJc nor further delxY-CcsoiL piacc* than- that which.- was nec«lfaa:y to complete the inquiiies, which yum tli ought it. yoQjrdutjr to maie? ' . . ■ ■- •»-.'•{'•'':■.,■. :'. '. - . ■< .- : ' .^> Ceftaiilh'. ;:...;;.'>" 1- J)ii:o:> •, 1 ■ '.') ^ As jou were in fbc office jarthait tinit,; ftrppcrfin?? tfce: ,, . ■. • norfoci^tioii ( " ) negoclation between Colonel Knight and Colonel Brooke to have, gone on' in confcqucncc of i}-iC objection made to Colonel Brooke, or irom any other caufe; was it probable that Colonel Knight miyht have had to wait fome time before he nught have had anoiher eligible opportunity' o* m^kins an exchange ? yl. Yes, I think he might. ^ What day of the week is it that th'- lifls arc generally fent into the King ? ^/. They are commonly fubmitted by mc to the Com- mander in Chief on Wednefday ; they are fubmitted to the King on Tliurfday; and if^hey-eome back on Friday (wbojch nine times in ten they do) they are gazetted on Saturday ; if they do not come back in time, on Fiiday> they aie ga- zetted on the following Tuefday. 1^ Did you keep any memorandum of the inquiries jrou made refpecUng thJc exchange, beiweea Colonel KrUjghtaoii. Colonel Brooke ? ui. None whaie,vex. J^. Yoahaveftate U that the applicatioa to the, Commander ioChief for tliis exchange was communicated on. thuc 2 5;dof July ; when was that.appJlicaiion to tho^Coiumander in Ciiic£ fubmitted for his Majcfty's approbatioft ? A.. The.c'ate is accuja,t.cly marked upon the original. pap^er : itwas fubmitted to the Kiag up.an the 24th, asyoAi wiilEnjd^ by reference to the paper upon the table. ^ When did.it appear ia the GazeUe-i A The Gazette is. dated July 30th S2. Then the approbation of the Commander in Chief wa%, IJgnified feven days before, it appeared in the. Gazette ? A. Allow me to mak^ this diftinftion,,: the appto'iaiion of. the. Cora^nandex in Chief is never ugoified to aay. body, until the King's, pleafure has been fuofe^ue.D.Uy Q^t^loed, M^flait. ^. I.uj^derflood, the Commaixder in Chief corifentcd tg. t^' -exchange, on the. 23d j that, on the 23.d it 'was knowa. 19 you ; that you then prepared the proper coinmunication. U). be laid before his Maje{l,j> but .that communication was fubmitted to, his Majefty on. the 24th; that on the. *iJ*i^i4^ Jtflajeft/ %aiUe^h^s approb^tio;!/ a^d, that .ii did \ . :././;. ' ^ O3 " ■ '■ "not • ( 78 ) nor appear in the Gazette till the 50th, being feven days atter the Commander in Chief had given Lis confent, and fix days after his Majefty had conlirmed that confent ? A, Exactly ; I beg it mav be underftood, that after his Majefty's fignature is affixed to a paper of promotions) it 35 part of my duty to m-ukc fuch of them public as may be Beceflary. The Gazette is a notification, but it is not a jatification ; the thing is finally done before it appears in the Gazette. 2. You have flated, that being in the habit of feeing twenty, thirty, or more different officers every day, you take a proper opportunity of colled\ing from thern the character and conduifl of thofe whom you fee occafion to in- quire into ; is it your habit to make minutes of the refultof thofe inquiries ? . A» There fcarcely a day pafTes over my head that I have not occafion to obtain information of that nature; but to make a minute of it would beabfolutely impofTible, I mean to any extent ; I could not carry on the bufinefs. ^ Between the firfl of July, when the application was Hiade on behalf of Colonel Brooke, and the 23rd, when it teceived the fanftion of the Commander in Chief, did any conrerfation pafs betVeen yourfelf and the Commander in Chief, otherwife than that which originated in your addrefs- ing yourfelf to the Duke upon the fubjeft in the ordinary courfe of office ? J. To the befl of my recolledion, certainly not; I fpeak more decidedly upon this point, bccaufe I am in the habit of laving numbers of papers before the Commander in Chief, and of confining my converfation flridly and exciufively to the matter before lis. Q, If his Majefly's approbation was received on Wednefday, why was it not notified in the Saturday's Gazette ? A^l think I have faid before, that if the papers were re- turned from his Majelly in time, it would, have been ga- zetted on the next day ; I take for granted, therefore, that they were not returned in time, '^. Whatfpace pf t:mc was there between your making your report of the inquiries made by you refpefting Colonel Brooke, and the Duke cf York's dircfting you to make • • ©ut ( w ) out the nccefTiry papers for the King's infpcftion? A. I think I have ftated, that I received the exprefs of the Commander in Chiefs plcafure on the l^ird; the papers were made out for his Majt-fty on the. '2 ith. i^ VVhat time elapfed between vour making the report of the inquiries refpcdling colonel Brooke to the Com- mander in Chief, and the Lommandcr in Chief giving his confent ? A. A reference to the paper upon the table will explain the dates. ^ Did you make your report on the fame morning that the Commander in Chief gave his confent and direded you to make out the neceflary papers ? A, I beg pardon, but I do not comprehend that queftiort. ^ When did you ftate the refult of your inquiries re- fpe which the Hon. Gentleman had fo haftilv involved his Hoj'al Highnefs the Duke of York. Where wa» the urgent hafte which impelled the Hon. Gentleman to giv£ notice of amotion containing fucb^ grave mat* ter^of accufation againft fo exalted a perfpn^ge, be- fore he kuew whether the evidejace he was to call^ ■in ( HI ) Ml proof oP lii^ cJiar^r.c, i>ot only were in the coiin- try, butevLM> wiictliev itMjy wcrt) in exil'tence or not. C'onlcl Jiny thing be irxjre cruel tUkn thiit caluiTinies fnouicl remain npon tiie chara6ters of thole who per- haps hud fililen ii> their eoinitrv's cau("e, anrl upon Itim who had promoted them, without perbap.s.any opportunity ever oceurring, when the reafons of fuch })romotions mi^htbe honourably explaiiyed and jufti- lied. Was there i>a xliarge rer[)eciir)g whieh the hon. gentleauui might l>e ])rej)ared to proeced in on trtday ? TlicCojiiuKinder in Chief was as liable, and as ready, as any ir>an to have his conduct inquired into 'j but was it to be endured that the fecoud peribn- age in the kingdom ilxDuld thus- be condemned to ha^^ fucli grave charges haiig oer his conduct and character, without the 5K)(Iib-iJ;i(ty of brin<];ing them to afpeedv examination Let the honourable genf-ie- R>in*nOvv ftate drftinStly what charge he is prepared to ^*ooeed kt on Fr iday next. If t i4e ® te e rs be h as n an^dl be not.yct arrived, it was weil VnowiTtjliat ma^jy of the; ot), wity.iBotthttrefore. .proceed wrthout tkiay fea hare blnejy. ^uvidei>ce l>e^"o<-e tlie^ Ho»fe, MaJGf-Getieral Fi'^ticli. .might poiilWv har-a gorfc to. tb^ Weli- iF^diesi; Qiptaiu H.uxj«v fejandon Kiisfht be TiO' oiWMfe. WhtT^e thij-n would there be left anytljLLBg t€) balawjcejtbe <&}mri5:e& hrougbt aaiainft lii^ Ko^'td Highncfs? In candouii;. in i justice,; la everj^o pjriixcipje of ifltiif deaiflitg, JutJi dciajriiroHlcir-not be tokra^^^ indeed,. fbel iflon^ gcntlcinaQiimit.be ii^ij aousAirt of ,,parlianier>tary i&roccetiitTgs to hrwe^ftifj red his queiiiott without- ikjinginUy pirtj)flrtfd;ta^brii*gJ it to art iifc. V^'hivotliitftni tfj)d' }/ Fri- day the third of February. ")?!:. •^ On Thursday, FtBRUAiiY 2. " IMr. Wardle roie' to exprefs a hope that he miirht be allowed on the next day to jj^ive farther evidence on the fubjeft, on ^vhich he had been exa- mined lad nic^ht. He had then ftated, that he faw Mrs. Clarke on tlic afternoon of Tuefdav bnt he now recolle^Sled that he had fcen her on themrtrning^of that day, for a few minutes, as well as in the even- ing. * • -- The Chancellor of the Exchequer faid ^ he faw no obje6tion to the honourable membei*^s making an explanation to that effe6l in his placfe'.*^ :": :,:."5 Mr. WardIE then moved, that a propter perfon " from the offide^of the Commander in Chief 'do attend on the houfe to-morrow, with the books containing applications from fubalterns who wifhed to purchafe into the army, durin^^ the period within which Gap- tain Maling acquired his three comtniflions; alfo with" the book containing* an account of the fervices .pf fubalterns during that period. ' '^ ;:-•/"•-= J..:^-^ .,;Tiie Chancellor of the ExcHEQUEiC^'onni his extreme ignorance on the fub]e£t, could not faV any thing as to the propriety x)f acceding to, or opp^fing the motion of the lionourable member. • ^'^ -^'*.' - : After fome cbnverfatjon on ' Thurfday -l>Stween - hrm,- Sir A. Wellefley, and * Mr. Wanile, 1t« was ^agreed that Mr.' W^ardle ihould renew ^ the motion, , /^nd, if time Ihould be required for the produ^ion of the infornfi^tion d6manded, that the matter ihould itand over till a future day., : ; :;" • ' . --'-v ( 8.^ •; Oil Friday, Vebilv ary 3. "Mr. Adam moved That Mr. Jt)hij Few, !Vu-. Henrv Muiin, and Mr. Lodowvick Orjaiuin, be Inniiuoned to actcnd at tlic bar ol the houCc, on Monday, and to give evidence bcibre the (Jonnuittee, inquirinj^ into the conduct of the Cuniniundcr in Chief. Mr. Wardle, before he moved the Order of tlie Da}', was proci;edinf^ to correct an error in liis e\-t- dence on tlie Uiit examination, wJicn Ihe Speaker iippnfcd him, and obfervcd '^ that what he was about to fay then would d(5 better uhcfi the houfe had j^one into the Cununittee, if fo or- dered; there appeared entered for this day a Notice and an Order: tlie Notice took place of tlie Order ; and, therefore, if the lionourable member intended following it- up, he might immediately; or, if he did not fo intend, he would then proceed, if he thought proper, to move the reading of the Order of the Dav, referving for the Conmiittee whatever ob- fervations he had to make touching its late proceed- ings.". Mr. Wardle upon this faid, *' that he would move, in purfuance of his notice, * That the proper perfons from the Office of the Commander \n Chief fhould attend that houfe this day, with the books containing the lift and number of anv applications for promotion, by purchafe, during the time within which Captain Malmg had got his three commifTions ; as alfo the books containing the liil of all fubalterns during the above period, with the dates of their re- fpcftivc commiHions, and tlie books containing the Services of fuch fubalterns.'^ The Chancellor of the Exchequer fuggcfted ** that as the latter part of the motion might be pro- ^liqctiyepf incopvenience, bethought that it might be better to wait until tlie perfons in the office of the Commander in Chief had, in the courle of their evi- dence. ( 8* ) ir'tee. I do not dilapprove of the fiiGr£teition of the "right 4ionourable gentleman, and have no objection to ^ave the motion put fo amended.'* ' ' 'The motion was then put thtis, *^ That the pro- •j->er perfons from the olltce of' the Commander in •Chief' ihould' attend the hou^e this d^y, niththe •books containing the hit of n]:)plicutions on tfie part 'of fubalterns for prombtfoti by purchafe, during the penod'withinvvhich Captain Maling was appointed to his tl;ree commifiions." Ordered.'-^1jlie houfe then went into Committee. ••■; - "^-Z 'Mr. Whartok" in the'Chalr. • • '^ The ChaiPvMAN; Itated that it mi^it be fol' the convenience of the Committee if every honour.ible i1ieml)er would apprize the C'liair when ho had clofed his examination of any witncfi; ah* this wd:ikl V)re-' elude the interference of any other honourable uicnv- b'er with that witnefs," ^" .,,..",,, •■ ivir, Wardl^ upon 'this rbfe to cbrrccl an. inlid- vcrt,ent e,rror in his tei^imony on the preceding Wed- riefdaj, .night. :*/ He jiad 'then'fiiid,^' that he had. not been with Mrs. Clarke oh Tucfdav riiornln^, f)ut had Teen her on tliat evening; he now recoliectftd having feen her twice on that day, though iiofon the day. before. He. wiQied "therefore, that 'the crcftr "nii'^'bt be' corrected."," ; ', , / .'. Mr. "HtuRGEs BouB;ri; dcfired * ** tliat' {Jie '(l)feft hand writur ihould refer to that part of the evidence ' • • \ ' ■ •• airuded ( 85 ) alluded to by the Honourable Member, and read it to the Comuiittec." — Tbe Sbori Hand JVritcr re ad accordingly an anfwer giuen by ]\]r. IVardle.^ io a que/Hon requiring to hiorv if Mr, JVardJe bad jeen Mrs. Clarke tbe day before (Tuefday \J tbe purport of tbe .. anfwer. vjus, *' that be bad called upon her on Monday^ and after waiting two hours, fhe net being at home J rvent azva\ "without feeing her. That be did not jce her on Tutfday^ butjaiv her on Tuefday evening, and though there ivere others in tbe roomy it vjas impoffiblefor her not - io bavefceji him,* ■ - After thefe preliminary adjuftments had been fet- tled, Mr. Wardle flated, " that he vvifhed to have it entered on the minutes as his evidence, that he had feen Mrs. Clarke on the Morning of Tuefday." Mr. FuLLEU faid " that it meant no more in plain ' Englifh than that the Honourable Member had feen her twice that day.*' GWYLLYM LLOYD WARDLE, Esa. a Member of the Houfe, was examined by the Com-* , mittee as follows : • " v ■ The Chancellor of the Exchequer. m he has derived liis information upon thiyfubieCt : ■ A. 1 have df^rived n;y in ibrmation upon the lubjert from levera-l perfoiii, wiiofe names J cannot with propnciy fiate. Q. Did the Honourable Gentleman derive his informa- tion from Mr. Fiiinerty } —_A, I never in my life got. .any. information, from Mr. Fionerty. I did now know Mr. Finneny till within ». i'6\v daySj wlien 1 had .an interview . with him in the lob.by» and be fpoke to me refpe(fting 'Dr. Thtnne ; it was the day before Dr. Thynne was examined. 1 think it neceffary here to add,: that when Major Hogan's Pamphlet was publilhed,: in confequence of an intimation that matters of informatinn would be furnilhed to any Member of Parliament, 1 wrote to Ivlajor Hogan, and in confequence of that letter had an-interview with Mr. Finnerty J but after putting a few queftious to hira^ I found, or had reafon to think, that he had no informa- tioa- to communicate. I srat no information .whatevcj: frohi Mr. Fianertf . ,■ '. Q. The Honourable Gentleman ha.s ftated that he did not even krlow Wr. Finnerty till a few days lince} how can he reconcile that with what he has fince added ; namely, that he had jin interview with hunfor procuring inrotmation before.? .: • H 2 A. I ( 8S ) --?. I ftated that I never hgd any irformation \vhat- «ver from Mr. Finnerty : after putting a few qufcfti(?ns to him, I perceived that he had none whatever to give. Mr. Yor. KE defired the two laft queflions vi^iflv the anfwers to them to be read, and obferved, that '' there ^appeared to him tb be a maniteft contradidion in the itatement of the Honourable Gentleman which he "was bound to reconcile. Q. The- Honourable Gentleman had faid, *^ that he had not even known Mr. Finnertv till within a few days, - when he had the interview widi him in the lobby; and yet, by his own fobfequent flatement, he admitted having had a iic^Lher interview with Mr. Finnerty, about the time cf the ]:uDlJratton of Maj(!r Hogan's pam^>hk-t. How he cou^d be fald not even to know a perfon with wlioni.he had had a previous interview,, was what appeared lo him diliicali to comprehend." Air. IVardle. **J never bad any knowledge whatever of Mr. Finnerty, before the publication of Major Hogan's pamphlet led to the interview to which he had alluded, flQd in which he dlfcovered that Mr. Finnerty had no in- formation to communicate: 1 never got any information frDro-l»im." . -- Mr> Yorke.- -Q. When had the Honourable Gentleman Jecn Mr. Finnerty, in oonfecjaence of his Letter on Major Hogan's pamphlet I Whelner was it before or fiiice the eonverfation he had with him refpc£ting Dr. Thynne .^ - A. The eonverfation I had with Mr. Finnerty, refpedl- ing'Dr. Tbymie, occurred on the night before Dr, Thynne jgare his>evidenceat the Bar. The interview 1 bad \Vl^b Mr. Finnertj,in conftquence of Major Hogan*s^pam'phlul, occurred fome months fincc. - -■' ■'^'■I\IrilStvrges bourne. ■ The Honourablvf Gentlenwn ' ihen ditTfee-Mrs. Clarke on Monday and Tuefday ?«i:^ ; y>l< ' ^■ A. As 1 litated before, 1 was led tj believe, that what had happened on Tucfdjyhad hnppcncd en Mondays but when I went home 1 nVade fome enquiries, which fet me ( 89 ) .me to rights upon the fubjecl:, and confequently I took.thfi earlif^ft opportunity of rectifying the niiiiake 1 had made, by Itati ng this circumttance yeiterday to the liight Ho- nourable Gentleman *. Mr. Bcresford. (^. From what other perfons did the Honourable Gentleman derive his information, if not from Mr, Finnerty ? Mr. LvTTELTON obje(^ed to this queftlon, ^^ as not at all relevant to the matter of the charges under confideration. lit could not conceive it rie;ht to draw from the Honourable Gentienian by inch quef- tions the fources of his intelligence before even his witnefles were examined at the bar/^ Mr. Beresford i'aid the queftion flowed out of the evidence now given by the Hon. Gentleman!, which if he had given on a former evening, would then have been put to him.'* Lord FoLKSTONK objected to It, as irrelevant tp the pending dlfcufiion. . The Chancellor of the ExcHEauER, *< Mr7CKLLcn of the Exchequeiu PI 3 AVardIc ( 00 ) Wardle had got his evidence. The queftion was cer- tainly irregular." Mr. Bkresfoiid abandoned the queftion. William Adam, Kfq. a Member of the Houfcy attending in his place, vvas examined, as follows : Attflrriey General. Q. Have you the letters to wliiclr you referred on a torrner evening : A. 1 wiOi to ftate that 1 iiave a letter dated Sunday morning, .hinc lC)th, wiihout -any year -, it is indorfed in ir-y hand-writ in J, June 10th, ibU8. 1 have another let- ter, dated Saiurday moniiiig, wihout any day of the monlli ; 1 have not, I oblVrve put any indoilement of ths day of tlie month or of the year, n, on that letter, but it willappear, that that of t)ic Jpih of June, 1608, was the iirft, and that uatedSatuiifev was the fecond letter. When thofe letteis were the fuojeciorexaminaiLon oaa former evenings I wiflicd to i.e poiTerfcd of them, in order to have produced them. I had it not in my power to produce them then^ not luppoling that fuch a fa bjr ft would be al- luded tO; I have now j^roduced them: 'Ihe letters were-- then read by the clerk at the Table as follows-: •* Om the I ith of May, 1 8o6, you waited on me, by the defire of his Royal Highnels tbt Duke of York, le ftoje li. R. H.'s inleiuion of ■;illowing mc an annuity of tour hundred per jiunum. II. 11. H» by his" promifc, is now JTidtbtcd to me five hundred pounds. I have written repeattrtJy, but ot no avail. H. R. H.'s conduct, towards me, has been 'fo devoid of principle, feeling, and honour; and as. his promifesare not to be depended on, though even given by you ; I have come to ilie y iuientions known to you, for theconfi- tle-alion of H. R. H. ; — and thus it is: 1 lolicit 11. H. II. to make itK annuity lecure fur my lif^N 'cr when his Royal Highncfs vlfitcd Mrs. Clarke atGlouceltcr Place ? A. Yes. . Were an)' and what, fervants accuftomed to attend his Royal Highnefs on thefceccafions ? J. None but myfeif. S. In what capacity did you fcrve the Duke of York ? A, As footman. .?. At what time of the day was you wont to go to h's Royal Highnefs ? A, At eight o'clock in the morning. ^. For what purpofe did you ufe to go ? A. To take his clothes. ^ Did the witnefs ever fee Mrs. Clarke there ? A, I faw her once ? ^During how long was the witnefs in the habit of goin»; to his Royal Highnefs at Gloucefter Place. 'A: From 180!^ to 1806. 2. Is he fure that no other fervant went there } A, Yes. Q, Was the witnefs frequently there during the period be has mentioned ? ' ' ' A. Yes ^ What was the fingte occafion «n which he faw Mr«. Clarke ? A, Wheii he took a favourite dog of his Royal Highnefs for Mrs. Clarke to fee, Q Was his Royal Highnefs there at that time ? ^. No. ■ ^ Are you fure you never faw her but once? A. Never but once there. ^ Was you ever fent by his Royal Highnefs or Mrs. Clarke while at Gloucelier Place to get a note changed ? A, Never. (7. Was the witnefs fent by aTiy one at that place to get a note changed ? A. No. ■ ^ ^ £J. Was the witnefs quite certain of that ? A. Yes, ''n«.^'^I1I. 1 Mr^ ( 98 ) Mr. Wardle, 0. The witnefs has taken it upon him- felf to lay that no other fervant went to Gloucefter Place to the Duke of York but himfelf. On what grounds does he fay fo ? A. Becaufe I had orders to bring thofe things and no other fervant ; no other fervant was permitted to do it. Q^, He would alk if the witnefs alTerted of his own know- ledge that no other fervant went to Gloucefter Place ? A. Yes. . S. He afked whether the witnefs could aflert that no •other fervant took a letter to Mrs. Clarke at Gloucefter Place : A. None but me. ^ How uiany men fervants werein Gloucefter Place ? A. I don't know, 0, Speak as near as you can guefs how many you faw there r A. Sometimes I faw two fervants ; never any more in livery ? ji. How many out of livery ? A, One. 2. Anv other? A. No. ^. Was there a man cook there? A, I do not Know that there ever was. 0. How often was you in the habit of carrying letters to Gloucefter Place ? A. Very feldom. ^ I underftood you to fay that no other fervant of the Duke carried letters there to your knowledge? ../. None to my knowledge. . 0. Did you know any other perfon who took letters there ? A.So.^. ^ Did the witnefs carry any letters to Gloucefter Place from the Horfe Guards ? A. I did. i^jMany ? •. -.. A. No ; not verv manv. 1^. I think he faid he only faw Mrs, Clarke once at Gloucefter Place ? - A. Only ( 90 ) /* Only once. . I-}. To whom did he deliver the letters? yl. MolUy to the houfckeepcr. i^ What was her name ? y/. Favourite. j;^ What was the name of the butler? yj. 1 believe his name was Fierfon, but I do notvfry well recolkd ; one of them was fo called, 1 believe. I do not know what was the name of the laft. Sir Francis Burdef. J^. 1 he witnefs faid, that he faw Mrs. Clarke only once at Glc^j-iccfter- place. Did he ever fee her any where elfc ? A. Yes. i^ Where ? A. I faw her walking in^the ftrrct before Somerfet-houfe. I faw her but three times in my lite. Ij^ Had you any communication witli any one as to the evidence you have given to-night ? yf. His Royal Highnefs afked me if 1 had ever changed a note, i^. Had you any communication with any perfon bcfidcs, his Royal Highnefs? A, 1 was afked the fame queflion by Mr. Adam. i^ Had you any convcrfation with any other perfon on the fame fubjeft ? - J. Yes, with Mr. Wilkinfon. g. Who is he ? J. He is a gentleman from Mr. Lowten. ^ Had you any converfation with any other perfon ? J. No. Attorney General. ^. W^ere the fervants at Gloucefler- place- Mrs. Clarke's fcrvants? A. Yes, as far as I knew. g. Does he know that they were not the Duke of York's fervants ? , ^ I believe they were not. ^. Were thedireftions given by the Duke of York, that none but you fliould go to his Royal Highnefs at Gloucefter- place ? A. Yes. 'iCl. When his Royal Highnefs afked whether you ever carried a note to be changed from that place, what did you ijnmediately anfwer ? I 2 A. I ( 100 ) J. I told lilm 1 was certain that I did not carry any ncrrc to be changed. Q. Can the witnefs fay pofitively that he never did? J. Yes, I can. j2_ Did he fay the fame thing to Mr. Adam, Mr, Lowten, Mr Wilkinfon, and others? J I did. Mr. IVcjrdle. ^ Arc you certain that the duke of York never went in his carriage to Glouceftcr- place? y5f. He never did. ^. Nor on horfeback ? _ y/. He never did as far as I know. . ^ I with the witnefs to ftate as nearly as he can pofTibly recoiled, what pailed between Mr. Adam, Mr. Wilkinfon, and others, und himfelf, on this fubjed ? yl. Mr. Adam, aiked me, if I was ever in the habit of going to Glouceiler-place ; I told him 1 ua^. . He aiked me whether I ever carried a note to change ; I told him I never did. Mr. Lowten and Mr. Wjlkinf n aiked me tlie fame (jueftions, and I gave the fame anfwero Mr. Wilkinfon: alfo aiked my name, my age, and how Ipng. I had ferved his Royal Highnefs. That was all that paffed, as nearly as I can rccollei^l. ::iZ» Whether the Duke of York had any valet de chambrc with him at'Cloucefter-place, either at night, or in the morning? . J. None, as far as I know. "•. Hfre the Examination of this rwitnefs finished* The Attorney-General faicl, that as the otlier witneffes he had intended to call were not at hand, he would take an opportunity of calling them fome, other time. Mr. Wardle hoped there would be do objection to his calling one or two witneftes alfo, in confe- quence of what had palled lince he fubmitted his cafe. The Chancellor of tlie'KxcHEQUER faw iio ob- je6iion, and wiflicd tiic: hunourublcgentkn:ian to give in their naiiici. William ( 101 ) "VTiLLiAM Adam, Efq. was furtlior examined, us follows: Mr. Wardh, ^ Having flaled that you have ferved his Royal Highnefs the Duke of York, graluiloufly, may I be allowed to alk, have yoa a (on in the nrmy ? A. I have, he is a Lieutenant-colonel of the 21ft regiment of toot. i^ At what age was he made lieutenant-colonel ? A. I will anfwer that queftion. But as I have received a letter which I will prefently read to the houfe, ihey will fee the neceffily of my anfwering that queftion by Haling the introdu(5lion of that perfon, and the progrefs he made in the army. General Sir Charles Stewart, who was a friend of my early life, afked me if any of my tive fons had a dif()ofition or inclination for the army. 1 told him that- there was one of them, then fourteen or fitteen years old, who I thought had a ftrong tendency that way. He faid, you know my friendfliip for you, and the rules of the fer- vice, permit ray making him an enfign. He gave hira the' commifFion of enfign ; his regiment was in Canada, and the young perfon never joined it, but was lent by me imme- diately to Woolwich, to receive a military education re- gularly ; and as I am aiked a queftion of this fort, and know its tendency ,from the letter 1 have in my pocket, I do not think it unbecoming in me to ftate, of fo near and fo dear a relation, that he diftinguifhed himfelf extremely in his progrefs at Woolwich. He received a fecond commiflion of lieutenant from general Sir Charles Stewart, equally grataitoufly w ith my lervices to the Duke of York. Whea- Sir Ralph Abercrorabie, whom I likewife had ^he honour to call my intimate friend, was about to go out to the Helder, he went under hini at the age of fixteen as a vo- lunteer. The houfe will pardon me, for it is impoflible toe me not to feel upon this^ fubjedl; I mufl ftate his merits. That youth landed in a hut fire, and he behaved fo as to re- ceive the thanks of every body around him; he remained af^ively engaged in every enga^eme«t during that expedi- tion ; he had the command-of fuch a fabdivilion of men as a lieutenant commands, and they were of thofe troop6 that were raifed as volunteers from the militia, they weie raw 13 to - ( 103 ) (o fervice, they required much management, and yet he contrived te» conduct them well : when he relumed to this country, he received Irom his Royal Highnefs the Duke of York, without any foliciiation whatever on my part, fo help me Gol, a commiffion in his own regimen!, the Coldflream, having paved the way to make him a lieutenant in his own regiment, by giving him acommilTio'n in one of the regiments that was raifed juft after the affair of the Helder. I do not recoiled the particular circumftanceeral dfli- cers in the fervice to (peak to that. If general Moore were alive, he o=>u!d do it, I now beg leave to read this letter, which I fhould have confidered a meie trifle, if it were not for this queflion, and put it into my pocket, and probably into the fire : it is written m red ink. Mr. Adam then proceeded to read the letter, nearly as follows ; SIR, ( 103 ) SIl!, 'i YOUR character •was once respected ; that is now ovfr. Yotir shifting in tlic House of Commons, and your interference in tht; Duke of York's letchcry concerns would have dubbed any other man a pimp. Tliis subserviency to royalty has made your son a (!ti Ciiief in the promotion of captain Mahng, pcir- tively to ftate, that he believed that pi^ntleman as proper an of^cer as any of his rank in tlie ferv ce, Kvery inquiry he had made went to prove that his cotidu6t was ftri6tlv hoiTourablc. It would appear from the (^aze/Je, that captain Maling was ap- pointed to his enfigncy in November 1^05 ; that be was promoted to his lieutenancy in Novemlyer 1806; and obtained a company on the 5th of September, 180S. His Majefty's regulations had prefevibed, '* that every ofBcer fhould continue for a limited time in his fubaltern fituation." But his complaint in ti)is.cafe was, that captain Maling wa^ promoted over the heads of officers, ma^iy y^ears his feniorsin tlie armv, anfi who were many of them lieutenants long before he received liis appointment to an en- figncy. This was a moft cruel fyftem ; and, in the prefent iuftance, he conceived it particularly aggra- vated, inafmuch as the promotion of captain Mahng was throughout gratuitous, to the injur}' of old-fab- altcrn* ( 106 r altern?^ who had applied to nurc'^'fe companies at the reii'Lilation price. Some with uic claims of }io- nourable cluiracter and lonqj lervice, others not onir with charaCLcr and ienoih of time, but alibrecom- mended by wounds received in tire caufe of their ISovereii^n and Country. It was undeniable that fiach a Cvftem was vitally injurious to tije beft in- t'jrcfts of the country ; aiul of courCf, to prevent its- reciirrcnce, was -of material importance. If any improper conception of the nature of this charge- had gone abroad, he felt extreme rejj:ret, but it was his duty to take advantai^e of fnbfucjucnt opportu- nities in order to explain iiimfelf. His charii^e was, thcrt captain Maling had, in the faort fpace of two years and three months, received his three commif-- lions, and was appoirtted to a company over the Iliads of many fubaltcrns who had nmde application to the Comman^ler in Chief for leave tD- purciiafc, and wiio were old enfigns and lieutenants long be- fore that gentleman left Mr. Greenwood's office. He did, he believed, itate on the former night, that Mr. Maling continued to fulfil his duty to Mr. Green- wood, fome months after his appointment to an eijfiGrncv. i^lr. S. Bourne obferved, that the prefent ftate- ment of the honourable gentleman completely con- tradicted that which he had made on a former day;., the i^vavamen of which was not that captain Mahug had been promoted, hut that he had been promoted' '-'■ without one hour's fervice." It muftbe in the re- collection of the committee that fuch had been the iiatement of the lionourable gentleman, and that he had declared captain Maling ro have received the commiilion in 1805, *' without an Jjour of inter- vcBino- ferviee," Ibund at Mr. Greenwood's, deik, ' ,• I He regretted very much, that the charges preierred by the honourable gentleman, had not been-reduced to" writing, as that would have prevented any mif- concvptioij^ ( 10' ) cor:ct?ption, or fubfcqtient altercation. Tie con- . fcired that he coukl not ll'i', in wlmt conriliod tiic matter of accufation, hut he hoped that tfje hoiife would Gjo into tiie incjuirv, in order lo ailertain tlu! ciiaracter and fer^'ices of captain IMalinLT, and the nature of that lni2;h reward which he had received— a company in the African corps! He willied alfo to undeiftand the tendency of the infmuation contained in the lionourable t^entleman's It-itement, that the ap])ointnient of captain Mahnpr to a conijMinv in the Alrican corps, coujpofed principally of convi/is and defertcrs ; this was agg^ravated l)v the circuiij- ftance that that regiment was commanded i)y co- lonel Goixion, a gentleman who for twenty iix years had fervcd his country iih everv part of t!ie globe, except tlie Eaft Indies, and whp during the wliole of that time had not been an hour out of actual fervice. If fuch an option was not entrufted to the Com- mander in Chief, he was at a lofs to underftand wliat was the difcretion of fuch a ikuation. But at all events, there was no very high and dihiuguilhed favour conferred by a promotion in the African re- giment. Mr. WoRTLEY remarked, that it was the duty of any member,- in bringing fuch ferious charges againft any perfon, and more efpeciallv againit fuch an illuitrious perfonage as the Commander in Chief, fliould have been ])erfe6flv certain of the accuracy of ijis ftatements, and of the means which he pof- fefled of eilablillhnii: them. This was not the only inltance in which the honourable gentleman had been defe6i;ive in his iuformation. The inltance in the cafe of colonel French was nvore aurable member had never feen, and though h\s evidence was molt material, he was now out of the reacii either of him or of that houfe. It uas cruelty to attack perfons io diliiiiguilhed in rank and ofHce, on pointi ^vherc it was impoliiblc to biinii,' ( los ) brinp^ tlie proofs forward vvliicii were neccfTarv tofui*- ilantiare the accufation. Mr. Croker faid, that he had attended moft accu- ratelv to the honourable geiiileiiian's original frate- mcnt, which was, '' that captain Maling ha^ Colonel W^ooD could not fee how it was-'^proper for tiie Houfe to enter upon anv enquiry at'^AlT itito thebufmefs, as now Itated by the iionourabk^^^fen- tleman. He perfectly aa:reed witli the hoft^nraljle gentleman who had immediately preceded him, in the nature of tiie honourable gentleman's original accufation, but he iiow found tiiat the charge pre- ferred by the honourable gentleman amounted fimplv to this, that at the time when captain Maling was promoted, tlicre were fubalterns in the arniv of a lo;)ger ftanding than himfelf. Now he conceived, that it was an iinqueitionable prerogative of His Ma- jefty to appoint fucii perfons to be officers in his army as he pieafi'd, and that the Houfe of Com- mons had no power over that prcrog',ijI "^,1,1,1, " J. DOYLE, Ll. General, *' (S'c. 5V. ^v. * " Culond&'-u" *' Horse GuardsJ* '^ ' ''' ■ « ' ■ " '■ • ■'■ On the formation of the garrison battalions in November ISOO, when the men tor limited servicr were'takenoui of x\h\ body of the army, and })laced into separate bHltalions, it bpcame necessary of course to ofiirer tluise baitiilions. Eusign Maiinc, then with tiie eighty-seventh rea;imeiil, w,is, viiih four ulhci tnsji;^ii%i:eleclcd lor the fourth garrison bat- talion, TRlion, Hien in {uum)iscv — i»i tliv sfrnio pirtco in which b(r was sei viniT. >■ Ensiirn 'Mfilinfr'W'viN thr senior of Ihrccof th<)^noiion Mo a ritMiivnancy. LieufiM>ant Alalinc joined ihe nijrrison hntialion Vo which fie was • ap- poinli'd, iv\(\ rennmied with it a considerable period. Jn Augiisl J 80/, lliis letler was writleii lo nn . fColonel Gordon read'*tlie following letter :J '* * .— — - .•^.I llAVE to beij'Tou vrnlild h«:pl(B=edto lay bcf tc hi* iJuyai . .1,^^"^ lU^liues* the (JQjnmHiitlcr in '(Jliii-r,, my ih quest, iha! can* \ **..*' l.-ii;i Crurlcs Duj^Lc, of. Uto iifJl^jtuCrisun lj.iiuli(.n, i;i;i^v l»t '. ''■', ■*• irniifclcxr^fi U) (i'vcnih rejinifriit, in \\l)uh corps ... - •*• thrre is a viic.inf cnitpiiiy , vTVf'Kd^nr i* catkicred, • • '■•' j-.':»/T . ,■ ■ ^ ;' • ' —--•■'' <■■ ; ' ■ .:-•'>■ ''"^"'ItBke'fhe liV^tv tb crt6losen ret^uest on the part oflicute- /♦ }iant Mahng of the {n^»f lb '{jHrrison battalion. ' • .:-. i-;M/.' l.b«v«)thd;hoiiv\'v;j -{"r his douj^tio : in consequence of which I suhniitted hi5 name to the Commander in Chief for one of th(J^e vacant cou^jjanies, to which he was accordingly ap- ^.MHitd. Alter he wasappoinieil, I sent for captain Malii.g, iiiid rt-peatpd to him, as nearly as 1 can recollect, the very wcj-ds 1 rc^jeaud to his brother. He expressed himself much honoured in the appoinimenl, much flattered with my no- nets; and that he was m readiness toset off instajHly to the army depot, to which place I believe he did set off. Many o'f the AfiJcan corps were at that time on board a prison- fehip. When this pnson-sbip became too crowded to hold all the men that it was necessary to put into it, a detachment uas sem to Castle Cornet, in the island of Guernsey,- jhe orly place of security to which jien of that description couhl be sent ; cupiuin Maling went with it: and the next that 1 htard of captain Mating was this letter, two months and a half after he hatlbeen appointed ; [Colonel Gordon delivered in the following letter :] *'Cucrnseif. 25th July, ISOB." ■■ <* Sib, •• The secretnTV at >Tor laving nftififd tome, tliatl amto.be " all(iv*ed one aid de-c»njf. troin ihe 25ih of Aiiril, I brg voh. , *' may suitmitto liis Koy;il Higliti'ss the Cwiunuu\der ii;(.hiet' *•/ my Teque^l t'» bo p<'iiu:tied :o recommend lieiitcnuiu iSiu- *' l;n'» ot tlie t'i;^l»iy-seveulh regiment for Uiat situ-UivB. - :.; • ■ -:::; J.;;. ,-.* '•*,... bave-»helioiio.ur to t>i:i.V ,V /<:-■; i;. J. r, ■ " -biTi .-v •■ -•-:.; ;: »:. -j ■• EK, (Copy.) ( 11 ot, on b'jaid tne prison ships, and in oJ.licr places i»f con- "• *' fiiieinrnt ; and of 4he?e it was reported thai sf:me were men " of 4ess bad conduct than others, and miirht be U!-efniiy etu- " ployed as soldiers, but that it was hard to ke<'p. them as pri- •• soiicrs for such a length of time as m ght elapse hefure tbey*' •' Coutd possibly embark for Goree. The only p^ac' for therli '■^ is Castle Corner,, in Guernsey, vhpre their pre lay before. the Commander in " thleX y»**r letter of i lie 20th instant ; and am directjsd to " acquaiiu you, that Tjis Royal Higiiness approv<;s of (^ptain . . " Jolni Mixiing, of the Royal African corps, being employed * ■* ** as yoi'.r'ai^D. de-camp, iipon the Staff of (Guernsey, so long " as a dttai hmcnt of that corps remains in Guernsey. ,,,,.-,, , ^ - •• 1 have, &c. ',.' ';V.. _ "-' W/CAT.VERT. "'l^fr. JfVirdif. Q. Is it Tivilliin your knowledge fhat tiii'te flreslTCTai subalterns now in the army -who have scK^dl^^rfprr tiian cnp.ain Maling. '^^ •' 'A. 1")'. qtU'stionably, tluTcare a wry cousideral)le mini* b(i-. M;iy I explain to thelion?.c : it is the irivariablc prac- tice of the arniv. at least it has been the irjvariable |.Tac»ice * oftlje presen' CommaiidtT in Cliief,* without o^ie single cxucption,X^t no jnnror t;flicer can be promoted over lh6 head of his senior ; 1 nieaii in the reginientiiito which he is ^ so promoted : b\itit never has been the practiccof.tbeanr.y, that the promotion gees in a regular routiue of seniority tliroi;irh tl;e whole am } , Inever heard ofsnch a practir**: 1 U^'g further to exj^lain :' i conceive it my j)articnlar duty to take care, and rrpoit to the C.jmniander iii Chief, that any cffijcer, whose nan, e is siibniittcd to his. llo}al ilighnebs as a Utand proj^er person, dniy qualified in. all' respex;', and as to his Majesty's rrgiilanons, for thescrviee in!(> vrtiich he is so jrecommenil- fd ; ('liat captain.' iVIallng is so, I did cerlainly conceive ; ar.d 1- ^lio now. feel, 1,^4! tie is not only an honour to iht; corps in which he is ph^ced, but 1 do firmly believe that" hcis tfs promising anxof^iber q^ a:ny in'the army, ami a'slike- ly who had served longer than captain Maling, and who, had they been recommended by their co- lonels, might, pcrhap-, hav? received his promotion. Captain Maling had been invariably recommended by the officers under whom he had ^erved. Upon such ground the Secretary at War ar- gued again t entertaining the question ; and the Chancellor of thi; Exchequer deprecated the consequence to which the question might lead ; but Mr. Tiekney was anxious that the question should be put, le*t it should be said that the Committee had refused to allow a. question to be ansv^ered, which might tend to the condemnation of tl'ic accused, -r- Wuuld that be justice to the duke of York ? Mj ( Ho ) Mr. Canning f^c^lared, that if the que.'^tion were allowed to be put -n c.^lonel Gor',;"'% lie did n.i see why^rr would notbci- t ns proper ro-c^all^ number •• of persons out of the «Mf>ef and ask fhemV • whether . they did not think thef: were many siibajrerns in the armv who "Ught to be -■ )moted rathei than captain A4al'ing. After some further (••?u<;sion in which 'General Barry, Mr. Baxhau, Mr 0. Bkownf., Mr. Lyt- TLETCN, and Mr. Adam fTarticipared, the question- was amended ; and Colonkl Gordon having been called in, it was again put tohim as loliows i Mr. IVtirille. Q. Do you mpan. that no officer is prd- rnotcd over the head of anoiher who i*^ his senior ; do yofi mean, rhat no cffic r is takeri out of on*- rriiVment aud put iu Mr. tVor'tiey. Q. Do-you command the Royal African'^ corps ? . A. I do. Q. State wlial has been the length and nature of your services iii the army ? y/. I have served his Majesty very nearly for twenty-six years; for the last twenty-tour of which I have been em- ployed in every part of the world (the East Indies excepted) where bis majesty's troops have been stationetl, and with very little intermission. I have been four times to the West Indies, and have been there nearly six years ; I hav^ been twice to Ara^^rica; 1 hsve been all over the Mediterranean; 1 huNt' commanded a regiment in America ; I have com- manded V Its ; mp.nric'n a recimoni in tlic ^Vc'st Indies. It lias l>ccn my h)rtur.o, \cry un'icvervcdly perhiip?, to have a sword voiVd tor my scrvict-sao h.-ivc been ujxviU-div ihankcd by general cfirct'fs unfit r whcun I lune he ( n piMCcd. It is ] crii.ifxi a singular pan t-f my scmm((', \\r.\l I b;;ve nTn ciii) seist-d in evi'iy siiUHtion in ihe aip.v, fioin an tnsign up lo my pn- s^ii't ra»)k, that a CienilcniHU could b-vrvc ni, but I have also seneo in (very siluatioi] npoii the stafT cjf ti-e arn)_^, wiili- out one siiiglf f xcfpiioM. Of this scr\ice, twilve years I xvas ?i Fi)baltc-in, iiini' of the-e, in constant rcgiinc-.tital duty, liA'e ytnis I think as major, two <.r thne years as lieutenant colonel with my regiment, the greatest part of that time abroad. Q Were not the rrgelalions for the promotion of the fimiy, uhich you liave mentioned set on foot originally by the i)ukeof Yoik ? -^, I hey certainly ucre.when the Duke of York became Commantier in Chief of the army. Prior to his beiht; ^ap- pointed Commander in Chief of the army, an cflicer who iiad money might purchase up to the rank of lieulenant- cvloiiel in three we^ks or a month, as fast as his separate appointments could be passed through each separatega- zette. Allornty General. Q. Does the rule that you have sta- led, of not promoting an oflicer into anolh'cr regiment where thiere are officers senior to liim of the same rank tliat he filTed in the regiment from which he comes, apply to ap» pbinlments with or without purchase ? '' *'* '" "' ui. It applies to b( ih ; ihaj: is, no junior officer caii be permitt((l to p\irchase over the head of a senior' officer, prtivided that senior officer is also willing to purchascj I always mean } or unless there arc spx^cial reasons to the cOTtirar^ :sometliing relating to tl-e misconduct of the person. Q.Chu you take upon vourseil to sav,lhat .there lias been iro uiStance bfa'n rfficer i)cing promoted into another regi- ment ;* wlu'ie, if it is nor a case of purchase, there is an uSiexceprionahle Senior oflTtpr in the same rank ; and ahere ir rs a case of p'urchase, where th' re is an unexce])lionable officer, able and willing to purchase ? . . ■ A. I have already said, ihai no junior officer can be pro- rrtoteH over the lu'auth on Thursday the 25th, 1 sent iliis paper to' his 'Majesty by the mail. H/t-rc is his jNiajebty's signature 't6."*iC/. „., ^' yVejj mouthy J ult/ Iha iStlt 1805; Commissions *• agreeablij (0 the aboveiist^ to-be prepared fur Mi/ sig. ''' nature y This paper was returned to me on the follow- ing day, on Saturday, but (oo Kite for the gazette ; it was therefore gazetted on the next gazette day. I believe I sta- ted to the house, that when 1 talk of the next, gazette, I mcaivlhy.next gazoUc in which military promotions are aauoujiiccd^a :d it will be found that no military prorao- tio{»;i were announced in tiiegazette on Sattirday, . T have said that tiie Commauiler jn Chief had (kcldeJ upon this LjiCnange on the5.3^ ^^ July ;. on reference to my cor- re>,p.oodeuce foi\tiie inontli of July, 1- find - these papers : t^iisisau application to the (.Command jr in Chi.f (through •nieV from an hotionrahle hH^:^ibJr of tliis house, on behalf ipf his brother, to exchange into tiie cavalry, with lieu- tenant-colonel K. light: {Culonai Garden read ami delivered in a letter from Mr.- liuskissun^duUd 'Ji'txasury Chamhors^ '2'UiofJulj/lS05. -^ • -^ • .: u •''My ani^'cr is on the 23d of July, the day I men- tioned betore. i^Culoncl ( 120 ) (Colonel Gordon read and delivered in the anszttr. dated(he^ZdofJuli/lS05. .^ ' " Trecuury Chambers, 22d JultrJl\ttjtother, *' before the Duke of York, and am com'm«)n{cs (f^n^af q\tatnt " you, tbaiH. R. H. will be glad of any fi»x]wjciki^l< <^por- ' ** tunity, by which he can be enabled to acced^i vi - It, y"be •• exchange with brevet lieuti colontlKuigtjt, 3th dragoon " guards, has Already been determhied upon in faioulP-Dt " brevet lieut. colonel Brooke, whose -ser\lc«» hij Royal '• -' •' HighBess ^vas of opinion could not be but ^aixturably cpn- "' " '* sidered : but if your brother can find any roajor in the , ' *• cavalry »ho is disposed to ex'cliange to Ihe infantry of the ^. . •..'** line,4he'Coinmajiderin Chief will have much pleasure in ^ ^ I *' recomroeiiding tliesanie to His Majesty. ^ ,- -U* i •j ■',;' " Your's very faithfully.- -^ ' .b>i^ T'"*- (Signed)^ " J. W. XiORD^M't ^ •* IV, Iluikiison, Eiq. di'c. »;):. SCc ■ • Mr. ■J ( 121 ) Mr, Wortlfj. ^ State what nrc the regulations that have been eftablifhed by the Duke of" York with regnrd t«!> regimental promotions! having regard to the period of fcr- vicc in each rank ? y/. The regulations arc briefly thefe ; an officer muft fervc ai a fubaltern two years before he can be a captain, and he muft have fcrved fix years before he can be a field ofiiccr, I never knew any inllance of thofe rules havino- been broken throughi always as in merchants accounts, faving errors Ckcepted. Q. How many hotirs in every day does the CoanmandcF in Chief devote to the duties of his office ? j1. The Commander in Chief commands my attendance upon him every morning a little after ten ; and he very rarely gives up bufmefs until paft (even in the evening* there or thereabouts, very ©ften paft eight. ^ Is not his Royal 1-Iighnefs particularly punctual in taking care that the bufinefsof his office is^ conduced in fuch a manner, that reference may always be had to the caufe of any promotion ? yl, JMoft undoubtedly he is. 2. Has not his Royal Highnefs taken, in the inlbnces where commiflions are permitted to be fold, particular pre- cai*tions to confine thofe commiffions to the regulated price xDnly ? _ - y^. He certainly has I believe it will be neceffary for rue to trouble the houfe ftill further upon this : in the year i8o4» when a great nugmentation was added to the army of 6f|y^flB*rati»Tis,'Idid underftand that very great abufes were f?Ta(f^HiEr(! U^h"i'efpe(fl to the purchafe and fale of commif- lions;'if?lh'f people endeavoured to obtain commiffions un- duly, tliat'they endeavoured to impofe upon the officers of the army in.taking money under the pretence of obtaining commiffions^ and that this went to a very great extent, I did reprefent this in the ftrongeft manner to the Commander in Chief, who felt it very fenCbly, and exprefled the ftrongelt indignation at it, and con^manded me to frame an inftrument, a copy of which I now hold in my hand, and wl^ch was circulated to all the corps of the army. With the pcrmiffion of the houfe I will read it. . No. IV. ■ L Colone! ( 122 ) [Colonel Gordon read the following letter:] " Circular io Army Ac^ents,^^ '^. Horse Guards, September 2Sy \S04r ^* Gentiemen, *' HIS Koyal Highness the Cojumanckr in GJiief having the *' stronsest reason to believe (from the advt;rtisemeai:> that ** have frequently appeared in the public papers) that.au ex- . f tensive correspondence is carried on with the officers of the ** army by persons styling themselves army brokers, to induce *' iber^t to ejiter iiito pecuniary engagements for the luirpose *' of obtaining commissions, contrary to the establislyd ropu- . *' lanons; and it being ilie earnest desire of the Co/ii.maiic^L'r ** in Chief to check as much as possible a practice so extremely *' prejudicial to the service ; I am commanded to call your " attcatioai to this mipcriant point, and to impress upon you *' the necessity of the utmost vigilance, in preventing, as far ** as may be ui your power, any commnnlcaiiou wha^tvex with those persons and the offices iii,. your a§:eucj:-. and should it at any time app^'ar that any such commissions ** shall have been negociated through your offices, the Com- *' mander in Chief wUl consider it his duty to recommend to *■ the colonels of the respective regiments to notice sucit ir- *' regularity, by withdrawing their regiments frqm that ag^ :. " Keturns of the officers prepared to purchase, are to be made r- " out ajccordiug to the accompanying form, and to be tran- *' mittedin the fi/si '.nstance, as soon as possible after thc^re- *' ceipt of iliLS letter. '' I have the honour to be. Sir, " Your most obedient servant, (Signed; *' J. W. GOKDOX." ** Ov'-'cf-'" conauandivg Rei^iment of ( 123 ) *' lioTse.GvardSj 10 Octobur, 1804 "' " 1 . T [is Majesty's rejfulations, in rep;ard to the sums to be pivcn »n J '* rt'CiMvid for commissions in tJu' army, liaviiij; in various insimices '* been disrecarded, to the great prejudice ot liis Majesty's service, *' hislvoyal lligl'.ness the Commander in Cliief is pleased to direct, •* thatwiien an officer is desirous of retiring from the service, and of *' h:ivinj,'- leave to sell hi'; commission, if his regiment is in Greax " Britain, he is to send liis rc>-igna;iun in the u^u;il manner, tlirouijh " the commanding officer of his regimenr, to his colonel, who, ia *' transmittinjr the same to the C<>mmaiuier in Chief, ma\ at the ** sanre time, if there are purchasers in the corps, reconuncnd in su«- ** cession the senior of tlieir respective ranks fur purchase, boili the •* colonel and commandiiii: officer, certifying that tliey are satisfied ** that no more than the sum stipulated by his Majesty's regulations ** is given or received. '* V.'. .Should there be no purchaser in the regiment, the resignatioa ** of the Officer desirous to retire is alone to be transmitted in the *' manner and torm above-meiitioncd ; when, should the application *• be deemed proper to be granted, his Royal Highness wili recom- *' mend to hi^ Majesty such officer for the purchase as to his Koyal *' Highnt^s may appear most eligible. " J. Officers belonging to regiments stationed in Ireland, must make •* their applications in a similar course to the commander of tlie " forces there ; and on foreign staiions through the comn.*.indin«j ** 'officer to the general officer under whose command they serve; •' their applications being uniformly sanctioned by their respective ** commanding officers, who tire to certify, in the ?ame manner as •' colonels of regiments at home, that they are satisfied in regard to *• \,h^ sums given or to be received being in strict conformity to ** his Majesty's regulations. , ** 4. Colonels, v/hen absent from Great Britain and Ireland, may *' erhpower the officer in actual command of their regiments, or their *' regimental agents, to recommend purchasers for vacant com- *' missions, in which case the necessary ceriincates, in regard to the *' sum to be paid in regimental successions, must be signed by them *' in the colonel's absence, as well as tliL- recommendation for the '* purchase J and the person so recommending to cornetcies or en- *' t>igncie.s, vacant by purchase, will be held responsible for the •' eligibility of the person recommended. ** j. The Commander in Chief is further pleased to direct, that *' when aji officer is desirous of retiring to half-pay, receiving the dif- ** ference, tVie same rules are to be observed in regard to transmitting *' liis application; but no recommendation in succession is to ac- *' company the request to retire, as his {loyal Hiu;hness will himself *' Tioniinaie the officer to be proposed to liis Majesty for the ex- *' change.. , . . " G. "io enable the Commander in Chief to recommend officer^ *' for ti^e purchase, it is necessary that re-juiar returns of ail otiice^ ** prepuicd to purchase promotion siiould be tjuusmitte') from L'd< 'i L Z *' rtguiient ( 12^ ) •' rectmrnt and corps in the service to the CommaTiHer in Chifvp*, " o^ce, Horsc'-tjiuarcls, Lorxiou, on the 2^\}\ March, 25lh June, *' -6th iftei>:?niber, and 2Mh Dcceniber in each year, under cover, ■' to his Royal lliglmess's MiUtary Secre^ry ; and tliese returns ini'»>t ** particularly state wliere tne money of eaoli individual desirous of *' purchasing is Iodised, or to be obtained ; and similar returns must *' be for\«^ardcd to the regimeiital agonts, for the information of their *' respective Colonel-;. " 7. Officers on leave of absence from coq»s on fore'.pn ^crvic«i, ** mny transmit their applications to piirciia^e or sell through the *' colonels of their regiments; and in ihe irvent of a change in an ** ofncer's circumstances between the quartc riy returns, lie mar *' make a direct conimunica;ion to head-quarters, in order lo prevent *' any purcha'-e taking place in his own corps, by which he may be *' passed over by a junior officer. " 8. This rule is ap])llcabl»j also to officers on the recruiting servicf, " or on other military duties, whose corps may be vn a foreign " station '* 9. Officer? on half-pay, desirous of cschanir.ng to full-pay, gWir)g •* the regulated difference, must address themselves to head-quarter5, *' stating where their money is lodged, or to be obtained, to enable •* the Commander in Chief to recommend them as vacancios ** occur. ** 10. After these orders have been circulated, no rittention will be *' paid to representations of officers who have neglected to return ** them.*Ives prepared to purchase ; as, whatever hardshif>s they ** may suffer in that case must be entirely owing to their own ** neglect. " 11. In causing these orders to be circulated to the army, the *' Commander in Chief thinks proper to declare, that any ofScer ** wLio shall be found to have given, directly or ind*irectly, any thing *' beyond the regulated price, in disobedience to his Majesty's orders, ** or to have attempted to eva'le the repulation in any manner what- ** ever,- will be rej)orted by the Cf>mniander in Chief to his Majesty, *' in order that he maybe removed from the service: and it is- also ** to be understood, that the prescribed forms of application fonthe *' sale and purchase of commissions, and the usual certificates an- *' uexed thereto, are in all instanc 'S to be complied with, " By Couimand of ** His Royal Hiphness the Commander in Chief, (Signed) " J. W. GORDON. ** Military Secretary.'' - Here a form of j'cturn ivas produced. In ( i-i'-^ ) la confcqucnce of this letter, it was necefTary to ifTue cer- tain regulations, which, perhaps, it will be unnecciTary lo trouble the houfc with, but which I will deliver in with my letter. 1 l)eg leave to add, that that llrong letter was found totally infufficient tor the purpofes; that it did come to my knowledge, and that 1 had proof, that thofe abufes did ftiil exilt ; that I put thar proof intx) the hands of the mo(t eminent counfel at the time, and they aflured r/fh that I could have no redrf^fs againft the parties, there was no law to the contrary, and that it did not amount to a mifdemean- our. Having mentioned it to the Coinmander in Chief, I had frequent communication wiih the then fecretary at war, now a right honourable member of this houfe, and whom I fee in his place; and after frequent conferences with this right honourable gentlen;an, he did bring into this houfe, and fubmit to its confidcTation, a claufe, which is now part of the mutiny ad, inflicting a penalty upon all pcrfons, not duly authorized, who (hall negociate for the purchafe or falc of any commifiion whatever. Lord Polkjione, S. You are in the habit of almoft daily intcrcourfe with the Commander in Chief? y/. When the Commander in Chief is in town : I do not recolleft that lever paffed a day without communicating with him. , .^ At the time the exchange was effeded between colonel Brooke and colonel Knight, the King was at Wey- mouth ? , -J, 1 have (hewn it to be fo. - ^ X)id that paper, containing commlflions to be fub- mitted to his Majefty> go down to Weymouth by the mail coach? :^, Ibelieve fo, I had no other mode of fending it. 2. Do you recoiled the Duke of York's going down to Weymouth about that time ? ^. Perfediy Q. po^'ou know on what day he went to Weymouth ? y/.I do exacfly. Si. On what day ? • A, It -.as the 31(1 of July. 2. You. have ftatcd, that according to the new regula- tions introduced iince the Duke of York has been Con-"- ,.\ L3 mander ( 126 ) mander in Chief, a certain number of years mufl elapfe before an officer can be promoted to a certain rank in the army ; is any fcrvice required by thofe regulations befides length of time ? /I. h is generally underftood that an officer muft ferve fix years, i^ Has it ever come within your knowledge that anj offi- cer has been promoted without any fcrvice whatever? //. No, it has nor. 9, Has it ever come within your knowledge that a boy at fchool has had a commiffion of cnfign r A. Yes, it certainly has, I think in fome three, four, or perhaps fome half dozen inilances ; not exceeding that ; but thofe commiffions ha\ e been furreptitioufly obtained : and when it was known that the boy was at fchool, the commiffion hab been cancelled, and that rf.afon given in the gazette. i^ Have they been cancelled in every inftanc^ ? .-/. In every inflance that has come to the Commander in Chief's knowledge, and the Commander in Chief will be obliged t'» any gentleman that would point out an inftance. !^ Could you name thofe inftances ? • A, Not immediately from my recollcdion, but I can ©bt^n them from reference ; but one I can name. 1 recoUeft the Barrack Mafter of Hythe, I think; the name I do not immediately recolle(fl ; but the perfon I do perfe<^ly, re- commending on the fcore of his own fervice and great diftrefs, that his fon fhould be recommended for a commif- fion ; lrecolled\ alfo having fome fufpicion at the time, that this fon was not of a proper age ; and I do further recoileft defiring the officer commanding there, then in command, to examine the young man; and the report of that officer was, that he thought him, though young, eligible for, ;i commiffion ; upon fuch report the young man was appointed, but when he joined his regiment, the officer commanding that regiment was of a different opinion, and reported him as too young, and I do perfedliy recoiled^ that commiffion was cancelled. S, Is that the only inftance which occurs to your recollec- tion ? /.That is the only inftance that occurs; the name of the boy was Kelly. ^ You • r 127 ) ery thing in any manner connected with the African corps. . £?. You had no informafion of the other queftions that would be afkcd you to-night? .7. Mort undoubtedly not. Sir Arthur IVelleJly. {U You have dated, that you re- commended lieutenant Maling to be made a captain in the African corps ; did you recommend him in your capacity of lieutenant-colonel commandant of the African corps ? A, 1 moii undoubtedly did ; becaufe 1 know it is an ex- tremely difficult thing to get officers to join fuch a corps as that in fuch a place; and I thought it my duty to take par- ticular care, that whatever officer was appointed to the African corps, Qiould clearly underiland, that nothing was to pre- vent him from joining it. 0_. Whom did you recommend to the other company which was added to the African corps at that time? //. The other officer that was recommended for the com- pany of the African corps was a lieutenant Edward Hare ; his memorial I now hold in my hand^ if the houfe would chofe to have it read. {Goloncl Gordon read the following memorial:] " Sir, ' ** I HAVE the honour to tiansmit to you, the memorial of *' Lieutenant Hare of the 1st Garrison battalion, which I re- " quest von will take the earliest opporluHity of laying before ** his Koyal Higliness the CommancJer in Chief. •* I beg leave to state, that Lieutenant Hare was reruarkably *' well recommended to me, previous to his accepting mv ** adjutanfy, by the Earl of Dalhousie, und(?r whoui, he *' served upwards of two years. DuFirg the time he was in •ray ( 12B ) *' my v)Hfrcd to retire upon half j);iy in June, IKu.'), with- out liiking the difference of excl;:u;pe ; that in February 1804, lie found his health retoverinp, when he r^-t the ap- ** pointment of adjutant in the Cutterick and liichmond ** \ ohuiteers, where he served till he found himself enablad " to return to his duty in the line, wiiea he applied to lee *' restored to full pav. ** Your memorialist begs leave to -offer his be5t thank*; for your •* attention to his memorial of the 1 1th of Aupust last, when *' your Royal Highness was pleased to oMer his name to be ** noted for promotion^ most hnm't)ly and conhck'niially *• hoping, that the length and nature of his services, together *♦ -with the testimonials enclosed, tnay cAtitle him to } our " Royal Highne^s's recommendation for a companv. " EDWARD HARE, " Lieutenant 1st Garpison Battalion.^'' ** Which is submitted, January 4«A, 1806.'' ■" I certify that' Lieutenant E. Haft served in the 35th regiment, ** from the year 17D9, with attention and credit, till June, ** l&O:^, when, irx consequence of bad health, he was placed " on half pay. " CHARLES LENNOX. Col. abth Regiment and Lieut. General.*^ «* December 9th 1B05, ** Lieutenant iV JJate, \st Car. Bat." " StocAton on Tees, Deremhery 1S05. " Dkar Sir, ** 1 HAVE great pleasure in bearintr te€fore. _ . ...,.,• "■'The examination of colonel Gprdon Lere cloftid, and he withdrew. ... ...-»..- '"T^he Chancellor of the Exchequer ^ifhed to know when the honourable gentleman would be pre- pared to bring forward the next cliarge, and Avhiglj he would commence with. rMr. Croker thought that as the comn^ittee Iiad- that night heard one of the charges,, and had.coqa*- pletely made up thoir minds irj)on it, they flipuld come to a decihon upon that char;:c ; buMhe Chan- ' cELLOR OF THE EXCHEQUER obierved, that it ^vas not within the province of the com mh tee to decide upon the charges. It was their duty 'to report the evidence to the Houfe, under vvhofecorreftion they aiSledi. - .••• ■ ,'. .; :--r^P, ;-> • > ...Lord Castlereagh infoyracd. Mr. Wardie, he expe<9;€d that captaiti HuxIeySandon would very fgon arrive in London, and tbaL.confcqiK^ntlv thoje was' no occafion to polipone entering into a^ny charge on. account 6)f liis abfence. He ihonght it probable that lie might be in tiDwn by Monday. • • . JVIr, Wardle faid, that iie. would wi(h upon Mon--" day to,fix an earJv day. Mr. ( 13-2 ) , Mr. Sheridan could not conceive why tiie* ho^ ivourable gentleman ill ovild not be ready, if his wit-^ nefles were. If this cantain Huxley Sandon did ar- riva by Monday, he could fee no reafon why the bu- fmefs {hould not go on. Mr, Secretary Canning could not conceive whv the honourable member willicd to delay the bufinefs. He did not fuppofe that he would bring forward fuch a charge upon a reliance of the necelfary witnefles being abfent. Mr. Wardle had manv reafons for wi filing to fix Tuefday inftcad of Monday. He was not yet Me to difcovcr where a Mrs, Shaw lived. He had been told that (lie was in Bath, and his agent had in- quired there, but found flie hi\d left it. He be- lieved file would be a material witnefs. He wiflied for no unneceflary delay, but he hoped that the ufual indulgence of the Houfe would grant him a few daj's toconfider whicli charge he fhould next go into. He would even engage to communicate to- morrow to the right honourable gentleman privately the charge he meant next to proceed on, and to give the lift of witnefles whofe attendance he fhould re- quire. • . ' •* - . ■ . ■ r Upon this ground Lord Folkstone thought the honourable gentleman was entitled to' the nfunl in- dulgence of tlie Houfe, and that there was no reafon for imputing to hrm a wiOi for d=elay. • ,.i ^ Mr. William Smith however, could not con- ceive the reafon which the honourable gehtleman had, for not making up his mind as,t6'e hiiih authority and official weitrlit of" the quarter from whence it proceeded, would notj as he believed, produce its object. He spoke impartially' tJH tl]e subject, for he might venture to di^iclaun, not only lor himbcll"^ but, as he believed, for all those uho sat on the same benches with him, any know- ledge or partici[miion in the charges which the ha- iiuurauie gentlemau had thought proper to biing Ibrward. This impelled Mr. Secretary Canning to consi- iljer it.a most unfounded insinuation to construe wiiat: ])e Iwid said iiito a threat or a supposition that his ofii- cjal weight was to have ixv,y intiuence on tiie deter- , iwiualiottof the Committee. " Ho believed the ho- Dourable geatienian's aiiectation of candour wouW have as httle weight. Tlie honourable gcnllemari Jjad disclaimed all knowledge or participation in tiiis accusation, both for himself and all those who sat near limi on tiie same benches. He would give t)ie honourable gentleman credit as far as he ^puke of liimselt" only ; but when he spoke of all those aiounci him, be believed he spoke \vithoqt authority." ^ Mr, \V. Smith hoped the house would exercise a candid judgment between him and Uie right honoMf- able Secretary. If his; candour was afiecied, that of the house wouhl be real. Those friends who sat ij€ar.him, and had s^>okca, and they were no incon- siderable number, all disownc^l. any participation in * Mr*, Cunning. No. IV. M the { 134 ) S tlie charges; and therefore it would appear, th;a ''ir he did not speak from authority, lie spoke from -a ■ considerable degree of knowledge." Sir F. BuRDETT. ** After the attack which had 'been made from the other side of tlie house, he felt it requisite for him to sa}', that if this was the way persons who came forward on accusations were to be assisted by the wisdom of the house, there would be very httle encouragement for any member to put himself forward for the detection of any great pub- lic abuses. He could not tell wlio the risrht honour- able Secretary alluded to; but for himself he would be ashamed to disclaim publicly any thing which a member of parliament miglit do with perfect pvopri- otv. If an V member in the liouse had been consulted on those charges 'before they -were brought in, he might with perfect propriety give his opinion, what- ever it might be, npon the subject. As for his part, he should continue to discharge his parliamentary • duty according to the best of his judgment, without tearing the comments which others might marke upon his conduct. He thought the honourable gentleman entitled to protection, as he had in a very incautious manner exposed himself to consideritble orbloquy. He would deprecate, as contrary to the ends of jus- tice, any appearar^ce of indecent precipitation in the Committee in forcing the honourable gentleman to proceed in his charges, at a time that he declared him€elf not to be quite ready. At the same time he must say, that he could see no reason why tlie ho- nourable eentleman should not then say what charcre he intended next to proceed upon, and give in his list of witnesses. If he did so, he thought he was entitled to the usual indulgence of the housie.'' Mr. Secretary Canning. '*The course mentioned hy the honourable baronet in the conclusion of his s^eecli was precisely the course that he had wanted the honourable gentlemiin to pursue. If captain Huxley ( 135 ) ll'.ixlcy Sanclon,\v]io w^s slated ns such a npct^s.^arv' UiLiit'S^, did not arrive Ijv Motidav, that ini'/lit be ;» reason for delay ; but it" lie did arrive, and was ready to .G;ive his evidence, there could be no reason fov delay, on bis account. As to Mrs. SUaw, ihere couKl be no additional delay in finding \n:v, from th(^ house granting asuniaions lor her at'.ciidancc. ilc thought the honourable G:enllenian sliould proct^ed wuiiout delav, with all the witnesses be had; aud|if alter- wards it ap[)cared that material witness<\s were ab- sent, some tiuther time mj2;ht b*; granted, As to the aliusiou which he was suppDbcd to have luacic to some gcntlcmeu on the oiUcr side ot ti-o iiousc, hedcclared, that ii" there v.as oiie individ'.inl lu whom he did not refer, it was to the bo^nourable baro- HQt, t'ur be considered that the honourable baronet bad, iip-on the present occasion, taken his ground niati- iuily,. ex' pressed himself most clearly, lixiU he inter- icvfid no farther ill tlie dkciission thaji he w:as fully , entitled to do, and that he had taken no part but what .lie ,was perfectly equal to maintain. I'nere laigiit, however, be others silting near him who were consulted in those proceedmgs, wtio advised them, who watched the operation of tliem, and sheltered tbcmseWes in silence. To such men, and to such (Conduct he could not give the same praise c^fairness iiAjd manliness to which he thought the conduct of tbe honourable baronet entitled." . -,'Ihis brought up Mr. Whitbread, who exclaimed *\\ wish tbe riglit honourable gentleman would prac- tise that numliuess thai he praises in the honourable biironet, and name the member he alludes to. (Mr. Canning made'no answer). If ilie right honourable gentleniau refuses to name, the CommUtee. must be- lieve tliat his insinuation is- utterly without tounda- nan." ;"'- '■ " ' .Mr. Bauham thought, that the right hotiourable gentleman^ who im))Uted to others speaking without ■'Ms aiUhority^ ( 136 ) raitriority_, appearocl to speak himself wiilionl foun- dation. ^ - . . -.Mr. Whitehead. *' The matter was too serimis to pjas's it over lightly. The right lianourable gentU- mari'bas made a rnos-t pointed atlHsion tosoinegentie- inan,on tliis side of the house, and if he refuses to iiame'when called uj)on, it would be for him to con- sidei^ ro whom the charge of want of manliness, or- sfic'lterlng' themselves in- silence, would most properly Mr. YoRKE remarked that for the lenc^tb of time }ie had been in parliament, he had never liearciac^dl :o name any member of that house. It would be • jnosi unparliamentary to do it. Mr. Whitbread certainly admitted, " that he }i<".(Ui6t sat altogether as long as that honourable gen- tleman iu parliament; but if, upon that account, he was inferior in ])aTliamentary experience, he was Ies4- i^npcrious in his manner of expressing his opinioii..- 'J he jlictvvas, that the right honourable gentleman'*^ ^ : must be .well aware that he had a particular reasoj^for itsking to whom he alluded ; or he might «av, -wi»e--. =^ tl.cr jt was not to him lie alluded? -•.-•:- vJr..:. iMxi Secretary Can n i ng mxide no repU%- -.:, ^ . Unoh -the question being put, that the Coinralttee^' report progress, and have leave to sit again, Mr!:FuLLi:Ur ^^ indeed, Sir, 1 think we had best- .'.11 2,0 J;ome, and gto to bcd.^ - After a loud Inugh, the house was resum-eer- son,Avhqni. I-}:!|pderstoa4 tqbc her i^ster, w^s present. Q. iDid sji^ represent hprseli i^s h^ing. ^ nii^rried wq- jnaa, or a person who had been married,?. . i A. She talked of her late husband, and of her chiid- rcn,'^'ho were th^n at sehofjl. " ' ^''' (^. What fij;;b§r pu^^^^ , •, . • A, Nothing t«.-:v*r ( 140 ') A» Notlnnc;' more than general conversation ; I conceived tliat she knew almost everv bodv that 1 knew. 1 can liardlv describe her to you ; for I never met \vith nny person wlio, on the lirst interview, beliaved so extremely polite an(i genteel to a stranger; I saw her two or three times, and, drank vyine with her; and she consulted me about placing of some glasses, and the size and shape of some figures, whethe • they were too larii^e for the room. Q, Did vhe give any orders to you ? A» Ves; she desired I would have a Grecian lamp made, to fit up in the back room, which I believe came to about twenty pounds. Q. ^^ hat was the price of that lamp? A. About twenty pounds, 1 cannot say exactly : the whole of the account with me was twenty }>oui»ds odd. Q. AVhen was the order iZ'ven for this lamp? A. About the middle of May, about the 18th or 20th of May ; the lirst delivery to her was the 24th of May, 1803. Q. Did you see any one but Mrs. Clarke at this house ? A. .1 saw her sister and I saw her mother, but tl.at w«s subsequent to my bringing an action against her, When-I arrested her, she mentioned to me at the time that she had purchased that liouse of Mi*. Burton, and given one thou- sand two hundred pounds for it: I applied to Mr. Burton, and he corroborated hei* imving bought it, but 1 do not recollect the amount. • Q. Did you ever observe any thing which led yoiv to believe she was not a widow ? . A. 1 once called, I believe, in the morning, to see whe- ther the lamp was properly hung, or I was asked by aa upholsterer to get hini a sight of the house, and I saw a cocked bat; I oiad^ an observation to the servant, and the servant said her mistress was a gay young widow, and had been at the masquerade the night before, and of course I did not suspect any thing after that. Q. Were you paid for those articles you furnished ? A. Subsequently 1 was; I brought an action against her, but I was nonsuited. Q. How 60 ? A. 1 do not understand the distinction ; but she either pleaded her cgverture, or gave it in evidence ; 1 be- lieve ( 141 ) V\f^riY.:^J' y. i '■ *' . : r^ : /•^-.-'lO-'iaL " -_. • »v« .-If, C" [Tlic hiiud-bill and letter were delivereil in, andj/ .X read. J - ,;, - - - , .. . .. -^^k -i* M.^nA^f, •••■' * - AS 1 have «ot KeaM froitT<^)U hri^ply to m^ bst 'letter^ 't^ *'~lJHiTk my-^Jfjiistitied in iMfcirniing ^r>o, that in the coufse 7 •' of a week iLie etitl(>>ed hand bill will he i..ub4jiheil, irhick. i " no doubt will prcwnt sny other trade.-nian from Mibjfecnoj* *' lihiiself to siniilai treatniciit. ^Vs tlie woidiiij,' of tlie bill ^'"IJtX* rcctisei'tlre le^l siJt^btlon of very nb!e men in't1>e pff*-.,, . «i'.-,, ( 142 ) , ,..^* fessioQ, I ara perfectly at ease in regard to any aJuritioni' ** threats that in&y be helcl«out to me. ** 1 remain * 22 June "1804. *< Your oberfient Servant, ♦' JOHN FEW, Jun. *' Mrs. CluTkcy ** Gioucisttr IHuce. - '* No. Vcy Portman Sqjiart. " Caution to- Tradesmen. " THIS 15 to give Notice to the Tradesmen in the Keiphboxir- *' hu')(l ?f Poutman-Sqi'are, tl'.at ihcy caiinot recover, by- ** Law, any Deb: from Mrs. Mapvv Anne Ci.arki:, for- *''nie'ly i,f Tavistock-Placc, Russej.-Sq.lare, but now ot' *' Glducfs J lr-Place, s)ie being a married Woman, an*r " her Mil .b.md now hvinr, tho.ugh his Place of Residence " vas unknoKn even to h».'i-(!l' or her mother. These Kact5 *' *,vcrj pr'jvcd on thf Trial of an Action, lately bron^jhl by a *' Traile«nian in Holborn, against iljis Mrs, Marv Anne " Clarke, for Gooda ocrun/i^ sold and delivered to Ait; but " she availing herself of her Coverture (which, to th? greaf *' Surprise of the Plaintiff, she contrived to prove,) he could *♦ not by Law obtain any Part of hi> Demand j- And, being. ** consequently non-suited, an Execution for her Co&ts was, ** b^ her Attorney, actually put into his, the Tradesman's. " liouse! !!" : - *« W. MARCH ANT, Printer, 3, Greville-Street, Ilolborn." j\Ir. Wardle. Q. I understand yon to have stated, that you were paid your bill ; was that subsequent to that hand- bill being published? ' , A. Of course it must be, I shoiild hardly Ji^ve published- it. if i bad haAmy bilf. I received the debt and costs. C^, Did you recpver your, bill by any process of law ? A. 1 could not. ' "' V-. '■ Q. You were paid.it entirely through the will of Mrs.- Clarke. " ■ • ; ;■ A. It is iuipoRsibJe for rac to say, T did' not' receive it from Mrs. Clarkt^. Q. After being uon-suitod, and after tliat hand-bill had been publiiibed, Mii^ Claike paid you your bill I . A* 1 cannot say it was Mrs. Clarke, I Teceived the money thron<^ii a Mr. Connie; it was iiumabjrialtb ine who paid it. ... ■ Q. Did you know Mr. Comrie lo be Mrs'. Clarke's pro- ftasiocal man t A, Tha^ ( u." ) A. Tiuit was Impossibk" to say, iVIr. Stokes (Jeferadfd t.)\e action, and alterward- !\Ir. Comru' })iiid rue tlic luo- Q. Is ^Ir. Comrie a lawyer ? /l. I believe so. Q. Do you know that he was Mrs. ClarkcVs la-wyf r r A. It is i«npo.*!- I)le for me to know that, becauso one xleftudod the action, and then it came to iMr. Coinrie; it was iinpos>il)le for niv to tell. Q. Did Mr. Comrit defend the action against !Mr?. Clarke ? A. No ; Mr. Stokes. I believe so-, because ^Irs. Clarke ftold nie afterwards, that she never authorized ^L-. Stoke? to 2:1 ve that plea. Q. Mr. Corarie paid you the money; - ui. By his Clerk. [The witness was directed to withdraw. Mr. Thomas Stowers was called in^ and cx- Aiiurkcd by ilie Committee as follows : Attorney General. Q. Did you know Mrs, Clarke be- fore she was married to Mr. Clarke.'* A. I tlid not; jQ. Did you know her after she was married to Mr. Clarke.^ A. I did. . : , Q^ X)o yon remember the time when Mr. Clarke 'wa> married to iier .'' A^ I never knew the time. Q, What business did Mr. Clarke then carry on } A. When I tirst knew Mrs. Clarke, by bemir vvife to Mr Clarke,' he was not in business just at that time; lie was a youngs man. Q. \\'hat business did he afterwards carry on? . A. That of a stone-mason. Q. M'as that soon after his marriage .^ yl. I cannot speak to that; I did not imagine that he was married so soon, as 1 understood he had an attjuaiu- ^nce with this lady. Q. Did he carry on the business of a stone-mason while slie was living with him? A. He ;rr ( 144 ) A. He certainly did. Q. For liow loiiLj? . y/. Not less than three or four years. Q, Was she livinp with him all that tiii>e? A. As I never visited them, I cannot undertake tu say she lived with Irim all that time^ but I conceived she lived with him the principal part ot" the time, iQ, Had they any children? ^'/. TSot less than three. Q.. VV ere -those cliildren born during the time he was carrying on the business of a stone-mason ? yi. Some of them were. Mr. Wardle. Q. Where did Mr. Chirke live at the time you sp(^ak of? A. The tirst part of the time he lived in Charles's square, Hoxton ; then he was not in business hsm mason* Q. W;is Mrs. Chirke with him at that period ? A. Certainly she wtis. ^ Q, How long did they live there? ' A» As I did not visit them, i cannot speak poslti\tflj ; I know it was not less than one year, and, 1 should ima- eine, not more than two. Q. W^here did they live afterwards ? ; A. 1 do notd^now of ttieir liviii'/ any whtre el>:e, till ihcy went to live in GoUlen-lane, rrhere jje carried. on the business of a m:ison. -. , .) Q, When was liiis ? A, He commenced there som-ewhere ubout 179-iy und he Ihcd there about tliree or four years. - .; . . ■ Q. Ilud Mr. Clarke a stone-mason's yard there ? A. He had, . Q, At the lirst place-he lived at? A, In Charles's square, Tioitou, he lived on his for- tune; he hud no business. Q. Lhd you viiit.at.his Irouse"? A, 1 never did visit him at any time wherever he lived. Q, Did you know Mrs. Clarke by sight? A. Yes, J did. . Q. Did you know when Mrs. Clarke parted with h«c hubband ? _ A. IS'o, indeed I did not, Q. You ( 145 ) Q. You Imvc no gUL-fs when fliC parted from her huf- band ? A. No funlier thnn that it was aficr ihcy quiitjsd Gol- den Liiiie k undcrilood. Q. Do you recollect who lold you fo ? A. No ', public report. Q. You know noilnDg about the matter, of you own knowledge ? A. I do not. Q. Where do you yourfelf live ? A. In Charjerhoule Square. [The VVitnefs was diredted to withdraw. On the Motion of Mr. Wardle Mr. JAMES COMRIE was called in, and exa- mined by the Committee, as follows ; Q. Do you know Mrs. Clarke ? A. I do. Q. Have you been employed by her in your profelTiotial line? - .1 A. I have. -' ■ / ; i Q. What is your profeffion ? ~ A. A folicitor. .' Q. Had you ever any converfation wiih the Duke of York refpec^ting Mrs. Clarke } A. In confequenceof Mrs. Clarke's wifhing me to wait upon the. Duke of York, 1 faid that I Ihould wiih to re- ceive a meflage foi' that purpole fr oni his Royal llighnefs. 1 did receive fuch a meilage, I think in writing; in con- sequence of which, I waited upon the Duke ot Yoik in Portnian Square. <^. State what pafTed ? A. The Duke of York fj oke to mc upon private p^o- feliional bufinefs J I therefore appeal to the Chair wuh great fubndflion, whether, under thoi'e circuniltances, I am bound to divulf^e it. [The witnefs was dheQed to withdraw. The Chancellor of the Exchequer obferved, sNo. \, N thai ( 146 ) that ibe witnefs was not attorney to Iiis Royal High- nefs, but had llated himfelf to be lo only to Mrs. Clarke ; he faw, therefore, no private biilinefs that could take place of a nature that could prevent the witnefs from anfwering the queition. Were they not to infift on an anfwcr to the queftion, a worfe con- rtru(?tion might be put upon it than any thing that the anfwer itfelf could warrant. He wifhed every information po:IIible to be obtained. Mr. Fuller here defired to be heard, and endea- voured to exprefs a contrary opinion, but, from the oppoiition he met with on all fides, was obliged to iit down. Mr.'Cot»f lilt being again called in, the Chainnau informed him it was the picafure of the Committee ihat he (hoiild anfwer the lali queftion. ^. State what pa (Ted. A. The Duke of York wiflicd to know if I could raife liim ten thoufand p:unds by way of mortgage. Mr. Fuller (on the witnefs being again ordered to withdraw), obferned, that .he tenor of his evidence ihewed him to be contideniially ^employed by the Duke of York, ^itd it was therefore improper to put ^ueftions, the unfw^rs to which produced a divulge- ment of fecret communications. It was the fame if the communication had been with Mrs. Clarke, it was confidential, and the witnefs ought to be pro- tected. ATr. Wardle obferved, that it was far from liis wifh to have any of His Royal H'ghnefs's private tranfactions made the fubj^-dt of difculfion, which did not relate to the charges broun;ht forward; but « Lear-ned Genfleman had lUled on a former night, that it was impoflible for Mrs. Clarke to have had any pe- cuniary tranfattions -with the Duke of York, without his (147) his knowIedi^L*. He (Mr. Wardle) had then ftaled, that he could ^)ro\ e iliai tranfactions to much a t^reaier extent t,haii any thint^ he had mentioned had taker; place within the knowledge of the Learned Gentle- man*. He had pledj^ed himfelf alfo, that a man of hurinefs coi^ld prove this accommodation ; and he DOW wifhed to Ihew by this evidence that the accom- iiiodaiion had taken place tlirough the mcditun of ^Irs. Clarke. He would be the laft man to wound the feelings of the Duke of York, but he conceived the evidence of this witnefs neceffary to confirm his former (latemenC In reply to that Gentleman. Mr. Adam regretted that things fuppoled to be £iid, were frequently retained, and afterwards repeat- ed, as though they had been actually faid. No inch thing had been mentioned as had been now iiDpMf^.I to him; and he would therefore remind tlie Honoui- able Menlber, and the Committee, of what he h-^A really faid. Perfe- licirors, IVIelfrs. Farrcr and Atkinfon, would fl^.ortly fend me the neceiVary abftra(^i<, which tliey did. In the mean time, J had applied to a client of mine, a r'.ch client, and he had agreed to lend his lloyal Highnefs the money. The abflracts wcre laid be:"ore a conveyancer, Mr. Walker, ©f the Temple. We made fome obje6tions, I tliink, which is ufiial on thcfccafc?, queitionsto be anfweredj it gene- rally happens fo. The money was ready to be advanced^ and the abftrads were returned to MeiTrs. Farrer and At- kinfon, to anfwer thofe queries. I fhould ftate, that ior expedition, (for it was mentioned that expedition was neceflary;) I had copies made ofthofe abftra6ts to accelerate the bufinefs. I returned the abftra6ts to MefTrs. Farrer and Atkinfon, but thofe that I returned were never fent back tome, and the loan was afterwards declined, and MelTrs. Fairer and Atkinfon dcfired me to fend in my bill, which 1 did. Q. Had you ever any converfati ir, either at that time or any oiher^ with the Duke of York, about Mrs. Clarke ? A. I had. Q. Do you rcc »lle6t that he ever affigned any reafon that vas prejudicia' to her charac^lcr, when he parted with her ? A. The Duke of York ftated to me, that he had been ferved with a fubpcena to appear in the Court of Kino-'s Bench j I think it was on a trial which was then rcndino-, in which Mrs. Clarke was the Defendant j which fub- pcena had been accompanied by a Tory fevere letter, de< fcribing her very improper conduct in having pleaded, her coverture to an acftion brouglit tor goods fold and deliver- ed ; and I think, upon a Bill of Kxchange, one or otlier, 1 dj not immediately rccollecT which, Kis Roval Hiel^- nef- ( 1-19 ) nefs Itated that that was the reafon which occafioned the reparation. Q. Do you mean to ftate, that you undcrftood from the Duke ol" York, that Ihe had done lo witliout his know- ledge ? » J?. He did not flate that j but he faid, after^fuch a thing as that, it was impofhble but that they mult fepa- rate, or words to that effect. Q. Did [le complain of any other bad condnd in Mrs. Clarke ? A. I do not recollcft that he did. I think His Royal Highnefs faid, that I)c iiad fjiu the letter and fubpcena to Mr. Adam. - Q. Do you recoiled any thing further that pafTed in the converfation r A. There was fomething paffed- about the allowance to be made to JVJrs. Clarke. Q. Do you rec.illecl: what that allowance was ? A. His Roya! Higiinefs the Duke of York and Mr. Adam being prcfent, it was rneniioncd and agreed to^ that Ihc ihould be allowed four liundred pounds a yearj. but it was expreisly mentoned that flie mull pay her own debis, Upo.i ray mentioning the difficulty of that, for ihe had told me ihe was very ihort of money. His Royal Highnefs faid it was not in his power then to pay them, but thatfhe had fome furniture and valuable articks with wliifh ihe could enfily pay her debts. 'I'he witnefs here was afiain ordered to withdraw. D The Chancellor of the ExcHEauER faid, he thought it neceflary to remind the Houfe of the object of the examination, "which was to attach' corrupt pra6lices to the Commander in Chief. There was nothing in this mode of examination that could Ifad tofuch an imputation. However defirous, there- fore, io have the fullejl and niojl fat'isfaBory invefl'i' gaih?iy he did not lhii*k it proper to fubmit to that wade of time which anneceiliiry and irrelevant quef- Nj ticns ( 150 ) lions occalioned, and would requeft the HonouTabk Gentleman to contine hiailclf to tiie queflion before them." Mr. Wardle fald, he fhould only trouble the Committee with another queflion to this witnefs. r .-- • "Witnefs called in. Q. Do you fecoUed paying a bill due to Mr. Few, for Mrs. Clarke ? A, There- was a Mr. Few who had a demand upon Mrs. Clarke, and I paid that j I do not know the amount. Q. You paid it on her account ? A. 1 did. The witnefs was ordered ta withdraw, ■ ■ A ■ ' On the Motion of Mr. Wa Pv d le DAVID PIERSON was called in, and examined bj. the Committee, as follows: Mr.Wcrc^h. Q, With whom do you live as btttl€^^■•I/- '•u4. 'The Honourable Mr. Turner. . - • . ■ . Q. Did you live, as butler irv Glouceiler Place when Mrs.^Giarke -vv^as under the prote(5tion of the Commaader in Chief? ■ < ■ .: p. ;:d ;. 0:5 A. Yes,Tdtd. ' Q.'-Dv) you recolle6>, in thefummerof 1805, the Dake of York going to Weymouth, aod Mrs. Clarke ^ 10 Worthing? .-.•>. '::^^i■. ;.'- A. Yes, I do. ' > -Q. Doyo«Teco'Je(^Ludo\vrck, the fervant thatnfed to & Sttend the Doke of York, bting ordered by. the Duke, ofa jm evening about that period, to lakea baakbUl out, 'land o get-it changed ?. •.•i...ii.._ ■ „. _. -, •• -ur.-'-wVj^'jji :/ ..y» : A. Idonvt.- . - - t c- , -. ■.. .:r->r . Q. Do you recolk£t anv fervant being ordered i)y: the D*vke to get a bap. k note changed? ., ', I .^.,lrecoile6t the houfekecper, Mrs. Favoreyj ..bringing down a bill in a morning, and Ludov^ck going out .»Bd getting it changed, and-coming back and givingit to Mrs. iavorcy a^ain, and Ihe tcck it up Itairs. ..:■;! . .,; ;. • .,:: . Q.Bo ^ ,- J*. % «i * » . •*, 151 ) Q. Do v«)U recoHect anv fervant bciiicj ordered by the Duke 10 gee a bank note changed ? J. \o. Q. Do you recoiled Ludowick taking out a baiik note to be changed r A. Yes 1 do, on a morning. Q. Did yon hear him ordered to do fo by any body r A. The houl.jkeeper gave him the note, and he rook it out. (tl* Dj you know the amount of the note ? A. No^ I do n )t. Q. Did you hear the houfekeeper give him the order ? •^ A, Yes, I did. Q. Do you rccollecft what order flie gave ? in what ,words ? . u4. No, I do not in particular recollecft what order fli»» gave him j hut Ihe gave him a note, and lie w,3s to go and gtt it chacged. Q. Are you pjfitive that that note was not given on the night, and llie change brought back in the morning ? ^ A. I am pofitive I faw it given. - ^Q. Was his Royal Highnefs tl>c Duke of York in Mrs. Clarke's houfe at the time this note was delivered to Lu- dowick to- get changed .^ . -... . A. Yes, he was up ftairs. > A Q. At what time in the morning was this > .- ■" A. Near eight o'clock. Q. Do you know that the Duke was up ? A. I am not certain of that. • Sii^ James Gmhani. Q. How long did you live with Mrs. Clarke in Gloucefter Place .> y. / . • *% :. ^. About fifteen months. . ^ . Q. State whether any and what fervants of the Duke of York came to Gloucefter Place during tliat time-? A. i never faw any one but Ludowick. Q. Can you ftate, as far as it came within your own knowledge, that no other fervant of the Duke of York's came there .^ .;•'.> A^ I never faw any other fervant of the Duke of York 'j come to the houfe, but J^udowiok. ■ Honour alJi - ( J52 ) Honourable Mr. Lavihe. Q. In what year, and in what month in what year, did this tranfaciion happen : A, About three years ago. Q. Do you know the amount of the note ? A, I do not. Q. Do you mean that this pafl«d about the month of January, I8O6 .'* A. I mean in Jn\yor Auguft,. fome time.thtn about 5 it was hot weather when Mrs. Clarke went to Worthing vj I do not recoiled exactly the time, hut it was in the Sim- mer time. Q. H )w laiig was it before IVIrs., Clarke went to Worthing j ^was it the day before, or two- days before, or three days before .'* A. I do n.-t recollect exadly j but it w>3s a fhorttime before "ftifi went to Worthing. Q. Was itmo:e tl»a 1 three days ? A. I cannot l)e exacflly certain to the time; ■ -Honourable Mr. Lyitelton. Q. Js this the only note. that you ever recollect LudowiiJcto have changed? A. The only note. ' Honourable Mr. Lamhc, Q. Did Mrs. Clarke go to Worthing the fame day that the Commander in Chief wciit to Weymouth j did tl that Ludowiclv took the iwte out to be changed ? A, It was fome morning a Jittle time before. ; ' [The Witnefs was dircded .to withdraw .} ><>>>».; vi t>».J 'I. » V:?iu ■^. ■ i ■ - ' ^ •: *:;. !f - i- . ^ I :■ . . .... K- THIRD ■»•— X^J*- ( 153 ) THIRD CHARGE AGAINST * '■'•■■ THE COMMANDER IN CHIEF. ' The lafl wlinefs having been difchargcdj Mr. Wardle faid he {hould now call.ihe atteiuion of the Committe to the charge againfl: his Royal Highhefs rerpe ■ . ^■^.., ^.._^ A» I really do not know, •ip. Had you any TDtaview with Mrs. Clarke ? A. It was a long time afterwards that I ever faw Mrs. Clarke. Q. How long afterwards } i,.A. I ihoald prcfume a month after the letter was^ granted; near upon a month j I cannot exactly Hiy, pcr-^ haps, to a week ; it mig'ntbe three weeks. Q. When you had an interview with Mrs. Clarke, can you recollcft what pafTed between yourfelf and her ? _ A. Nx^thing pafled between Mrs. Clarke and myfelf, becaufe every thing was aiTanged and fettled. \ ,. Q, For what purpofe did you apply to Mrs. Clarke?" . A^ Jtwas fettled previous to that ; the letter of fervi^e was granted, and I had every thing that was alked. ft. For whai did you apply to Mrs. Clarke ? A» Mrs. Clarke wifhed to fee me. • ■ : ' Q.Whit .V ( 155 ) Q. WluTt pafled when fhe did fee you ? A. \>rv little. Colonel Fieiicii alkcd me togo to Mr:. Claike, who w.is, as wc fuppofLd, theiady, or the perfon, •or the ngeiit, for we did not at that time know wheihcr it was male 01 female, at leail Id.d not know : when I went •to Gioucelier Place, I found it to be a ftaiale. Q. Do you know whether Colonel French had, prcvi* ouily to that, leen Mrs. Clarke ? A. Moft alfuredly lie had. Q. Do you know Avhen ColonLl French faw Mrs. Clarke ? A. No, 1 cannot pretend to fay when. Q, Do you know wl\ether Colonel French faw Mrs. Clarkt before he received his leuer of fervice ? A. I rather think not ; the letter of fervice was granted before he faw Mrs. (Clarke. Q. I'hen you do not know when Colonel French faw Mrs. Clarke > A. No,- I do nor, for Co'onel French was going to Ireland, he was taking that part of the letter of fervice 5 the letter of fervice was fo extenfrve, it was for Fugland, Irelaud, and Scotland j he took for irelacd and Scoihnd, and left me to lak* that for England. Q. At tliis interview between yourfelf and Mrs. Clarke, what pa (Ted .'' A, Freally cannot recollect. Q. Do you recolle6t the fubftance of It ? A. No, he came to introduce me, merely to fay, that was Captain Sandon, and this was Mrs. Claike. Q. Do you recolle6t that the levy was fpAen of that day ? A. Noj I cannot take upon me to fay that it was men- tioned. Q. Do you recollect: when you or Colonel French men- tioned the levy to Mrs. Clarke ? A. Colonel French had feen her previous to my having ever feen her. Q. Had Colonel French mentioned the levy to her, pre- vious to your feeing her } A. I really cannot lay that, Q. Of ( 156 ) Q. Of your own knowledge, do you know that the lew had been mentioned to her? A. I really cannot fay, Colonel French had fcen the perfbn who was to get that 5 he never mentioned to mc wliether it was male or female. Q. ^Vho was that perfon ? • ■ yl. I real'y cannot fav , I never knew her till I had the p4eafurc of being introduced to her, and then I found it was Mrs. Clarke. Q. When \^-as the firft time that you recollc6t having fpokenyourfelf to INIrs. Clarke upon the fubje6t of the lew ? y/. I really do not recollect any thing about it, for this reafon, the bufinefs was entirely fettled between Mrs. Clarke and Colonel French, and 1 thouoht 1 iiad nothing: at all to do to interfere in it. Q. State the way and the terms on which the bufinefs was fettled between Colonel French and Mis. Clarke and yourfelf ? .^.'Colonel French and Mrs. Clarfcc. made it their aerree- ment, which I did not underftandj I was not prelcut when they fpoke about it. -' ■^^ Q. What palfed between Colonel French and yourftlf upon the fubje(5l ? • A. Of courfe we wiflied to get the levj ; the letter of /crvice. Q. What means did you take to get the letter of fervicc ? A. I underftood fiom C.)l ^nel Fre;"jcb, that he was to give a certaim fum of money for it. Q. What paifed betw.^en you and Colonel French upo:i that fubjetft ^ ■ . . r , [The Witnefs was directed to withdraw.] Sir' Arthur Pi got here rofe. The JLeamed iMember wifhed to know how fuch a quedion could refer to the Duke of York ? Whatever negociation might have taken place between Mrs. Clarke and Colonel French on this fubje(!'t, his Royal Highnefs could not be implicated, unlefs the charge was bvoii^ht home to him. The ( 157 ) The x\TTORNL:r General fd'id that he was un- willing to interrupt the inquiry, but certainly his Honourable Friend had only loj inucli rcaluu for ^ what he had faid. Lord FoLKSTO'NE CO til d fee no objetSlion to ^thIs mode of conducting the evidence. Jt was neceflar\- •,to fuiim\ out the terms entered into between the par- ties, and thefe might be found perhaps, iiiough in-' '.idire6tly, to affect the Duke of York. The Chancellor oF the ExcHEQtJER obferved, that if the queftion had been What Colonel French 'faid to the Duke of York? the anfwer then would havoi ' borne on the condu6l of the Duke of York, it would be neceffary, however, to call on Colonel French ra- ther than have the evidence he might be able to give reported by a third perfoji. Tije Honourable Gentle* man to be fure had been unwilling to come forward -wkb , -the enquiry- without Colonel French^ and the incoAvenieoce of this proceeding was now -felt. Mr. YoRKE was confident that the refaltof llie enquiry would fliew that there had been foul pro- ceedings, though the Duke of York, he trufted^ was perfecll^'innocent. There evidently appeared to !ia\;e been a confpiracy for deceiving officers, and' robbing V'them, under the pretext of giving^ them a pretended influence that had no exigence. Er^quiry was there- fore highly neeeflary, that due punlfbment might be infliAed on the gudty. He wifhed, . therefore, the enquiry to proceed without iriiteriuption. fThe Witnefs was again caUed in, and the queftlon -.^tisv--. •:;•/.. I! i . .was propofed.] ' j-'i c- i/.3u 3>r r. s, '[ . .When I fa w him, he told rne as he had before, that .lie had fejUkd every thing witli Mrs. C arke. , . " f." V, ,\,Q. Xio you. know what were the" terms con cl a Jed by that leUleraecit?' ,No.V. O ■ A. Yes, { 156 ) J. Yes, he informed nie that he was to give her five hundred guiue.i.s. Q. What further? ^. I undeiltood that he gave her the five hundred gui- neas afterwards. Q. Bo you mean, that that was the only agreemeat with Mrs. Clarke, upon the fubje(5t ? A. 1 cannot take upon me to fay what agreement he made with her, ilhat was the only agreement that I know of. Q. Did you yourfelf make any agreement with Mrs. Clarke ? A. None. Q. You have Hated, that of your own knowledge, you were not aware of any other bargain than the five hundred guineas ? A. Not till he went to Ireland ; but previous to his taking leave of me, he told me that if flie wanted more • money, I was to give it to htr. ^ . - . Q. To what amonnt did he authorize you togo ^ -^ A. As far as tive or fix or leven hundred pounds more. Q. Do you r<^c:)!U6t any application being madeto *Mrs. Clarke, for any alteration in the original letter of fervice ? ^.' There were a. variety of alterations in the letter- of Service, becaufe the bounty oi" dift'erent recruits was raifed ; in the firfl inftance, we had it at thirteea guineas, the bounty was raifed to nineteen ; we thought ot courfe Ave were entitled to that nineteen guineas ; we applied to Mrs. Clarke to get that enlargement, without any occa- lion for doirig ,it, f r of courfe we could not get men at thirteen guineas when the line allowed fiincteen guineas. • ■ " Q. You mean, that the other recruiting parties were al- lowed nineteen, and that* you were allowed thirteen .''/• A. Of courfe. Q. And that you were not allowed the nineteen till aftdr you had applied to iM s. Clarke to «ie her influence to get the nineteen allowed to you ? A. All recruiting parties were precifely in the fame fitna- tion ; ih )ugh we applied to iMrs. Clarke; it muft come otherwii'e, or cur recruiting was at an end j we could not get a man. ,-. .j. '. »*- .s • • ■' Qi^You ( '-^'9 ) 0. Yon ftatod, that tli • other recruiting pnitics were allowed nineteen, but that Colonel French's levy was not then advanced ? A. It was the order from Govcrnmenr, than every re- cruiting party (hould receive nineteen guineas, it was found that the thirteen guineas was noi fufficicnt, the bounty, was raifed ; and though we had engaged to do it f r thirteen we c;;uld not do it for that ; and on the gene- ral bounty being raifed^ we applied, and had ours railed too. Q. To whom d'd von npp'y "^ -r/. To the Coa-mundtr inCh'ef, of c^urfe. Q. Then you did not app y, upon that occafiOTij to Mrs. Clarke? A. There was n t occalion for it, Q. Do you recolle;'! thjt you ever applied to Tvlr.^. Clarke upon any other o;^Cfiiion relative to the levy ? A. I do nu recjlle:'"^ that v/e did. ^, As to boys ? . A. That brings fjiTisthln^ to my recollection about boysj that in every hundred men we were to have ten boys, which were to be allowed fiij bounty of the nK?n ; but the letter offervice will llate it better than I can, for itis in the letter of fcrvice. Q. Do you mean to ftatp, that there was no alteration mideor applied for with regard to boys, after the original letter of fervicc ? A. Not after the letter of fervice. Q, What.alterations were made in that letter of fervice ? A. The ten boy#.to the hundred nien. Q. Was that done through the influence of M;s. Clarke ? yi I cannot take upon me to fay, for Colonel French ■was the perfon wh.o entirely finilhed the bufmefs with JVIrs.. Clarke. Q. Do you recolk6l that you ever went to the Com- mander in Chief, in confequence of any communication nr mefl'age fent to you by Mis. Clarke, at Lyon's inn ? .^ A. I do not reco'lec.l: it in the fmallcfl degree. Q. D ) you fecol!e(ft any gentleman br.nging yQU a note or mcfTa^e to fuch effe6t ? . ' - ^ • O 2 ' A. t ( ]6o ) .A. .1 cannot taAC upon \ny(t\i to lay any thing about It 3 1 do not remen:iber. Q. Do you know Mr. Dowlcr ? A. 1 or.ce had the plealure of feeing him at Mrs. Clari:e.'si. Q.- Do you recolleft any thing particular that palTed ? -^. Nt;i a fyllable wha'tcvcr palled beivveen Mr. Dowler and mylelf upon the fnbiect. Q,. Do you recollect Air. Dowler calling upon you at Lyon's Ifin ? A. Mr. Dowler wii> never at my chambers; at Icaft I Dcvtr faw him there. Q, Do you recoile^l that, in confcquenos of any com- munication with any perfon at any time trom Mrs. Ciarke, you attended on the Duke of York ? u-1. I once, in company with Colonel French, waited upon the Commander in Chief, to return him thanks for hayng given us the levy. 1 never law the Commander in Chief alterwards upon that fubjeCt. ^Q. State what fti.:i or fums of money were paid to Mrs. Clarke by yourfelf, or with your knowledge, upoa this levy buiinef*. A. At various times, I conceive that I paid her eight hundred pounds j it might be eighty hundred and fifty pounds, but not more. Q. Do you recoUecl: giving a check upon Mr. Grant for two hundred pounds, in favour of Mr. Corri, on account of' the levy ? yi. Perfe£tly wellj but it was not a check, it was a draft at two months; but it was not for Mrs. C'.arke, it was entirely for Mr. Corri, who had adlcd as the agent from her to Mr. Cockayne, tlie atto-ney. ^. Do you recollect any thing of a loan of fivethoufand pounds to the Commander in Chief, that it was in agita- tion fliould be advanced him by Colonel J-rench ? A. I never underflood ColoU' 1 h'rench to ijave five hun- dred pounds in the world ; therefore h.w he c uld advance* five thoufand, 1 cannot tell ; for our account with our agent will fliew we were very minus indeed, for we owe him three thoufand eight hundrcil puunds uporl the lew. r^. You ( 161 ) Q. You do nnt recolle6> nny mention of fuch an advance upc^n the part of Colont'l French ? ' -7. Molt allured ly nor. Q.. You have Italed, t}int five hundred guineas ws«; to be paid Mrs. Clarke at fit II ; and then, that you have paid her from eight to nine hundred pounds fince ? A. I think eight hundred and fifty pounds. I have tlie exac^l fu;ns in my pocket book ; it appears by that, that: it is eifrht hundred and li'ty pounds. Q. Can youltatc, wlutiicr that eight hundred and fifty. pounds arolc out of any particular agreement, at fo much a man railed, or in what proportion Mrs. Clarke wrs paid ? A. It was to be general j if aur levy had fucceeded, ve. were to have made her a prefent of perhaps a couple of ihoufand pounds: it appear\?d tome there was noexpl- citagreement that a certain fum fhould be givea. Bi.t. our levy failed, and we were very much out of pocket; llie was the only gainer, 1 believe, upon the bufinefe. Q. Do you recollect how you remitted her thefe fums you have mentioned .^ A. Generally by bank notes > 1 generally gave them tcr her myfclf. . ^Q. Did you ever give her any large fum of the eight hundred and fifty pounds at once ? ^^. Two hundred pounds was the largeft fum I ever gave her.at once. Q. Endeavour to recore6t, whether Mr. Dowler did riot call upon you at Lyon's Inn, and that you yourfelf might ftatathat Mrs. Clarke was overpaid, -and that you had no money for htr at that time ? . , A. ^o. . Q. You do not reculledt any tiling of that circnmftance ? A.\^0} Mr. Dowler never callfed upon me with that mellage. ».. .-;j >^.- Q, Colonel French never ftated exactly to you the ori- ginal bargain between him and Mrs. Clarke .> A, 1 underllood the five hundred guineas in the firft in- ilance, and two hundred pounds to Mr. Corri, and it was 3 left ( i02 ) left to my dlfcrction to makeup the two ihoufand pbiindl as the levy fucceeded, c r nut j if we fucceeded in tlie levy, we might have g')iie on to the two thoufand pounds perhaps, if cot, it was !eit entirely to my difcretion. Q. Ydu have ilatrd, tliat you never law Mrs. Clarke till after ihe letter; f iltvice was granted ; but in a foriT'cr part of your evidencx you h.ave ftated, that yju had Ibme dealings with refpec^ to this buliiiefs witli cne CDrri, a Mufic INlafter; what palTcd between yourfelf and Mr. Corri ? A. Precifely what I have related ; that he was to have two hundred ]-!ounds for the introda6tion, and any thiOj; that Mis. Clarke and C( lo.iei French fettled 3 he had no- thing more to do with it. Q. I underftand you to have ftated th^al.to have pafTed previous to the granting o; ihe letter of fervice ? ,A. The two hundred pounds was paid to him after the letter of fervice was granted j becaufe, if nothing was carried, he was to receive nothing. Q. This f^ipulation wis made with Mr. Corri, in cafe he Ihould fucceed, by n:K:aiis of Mrs. Clarke, in procuring the letter of ftrvice r , A. He did not precifely know what it was we wanted of Mrs. Clarke J. we did not tell him what wc wiflied to fpeak to Mrs. Clarke upon. ■Q. You- mean to liate, that you only applied to Mr. Corri for an introdu6tion to Mrs. Clarke, without ftating what ufe you meant to make of that introduction ? - A. We certainly did not inform Mr. Corri, the Mufie Mafter, what we meant to do with Mrs. Clarke. - Q. You mean to ftate, that you only applied to Mr. Corri for an imrodu6l on to Mrs. Clarke, without ftating what ufe yoa-meant to make of that introdu6lion ? -^. Mr. Corri fpoke to Mr. Cockayne to make him a friend 3 Mr. Cockayne was. the perfou that we had I0 do. ■vviti; upon the bulinefs altogether j Mr. Corri had nothing to do with it, he did not know what we were to do with Mrs. Clarke; it was merely that he couJd get letters or any r To.iofuion conveyed to her*. fi. What ( 1G3 ) Q. What passed with Mr. (Jockaync ? A. I do not know what passed bclwcen him and Mr. ^Dckaviie. Mr. liurgh. Q. You have mentioned, that several sums were atjreed lo be paid to Mrs. Clarke; ilate whether you knaw the fact of your own knowledge, or whether it is' by hearsay from Colonel French? j4. The eight liundn-ii and fifty pounds I paid myielf ; the live hundred guineas, I uncierstood ironi Colonel French, lUHt he had paid. Q. How often did you see INIrs. Clarke during the ne- gociation respecting this levy ? A. Previous lo ihc ielterof service bejng granted, I ne- \\T saw her. Q. Mow often did you see her during the whole ncgo- ciaiion ? /V. I dare say fifty times. ' Q. Was any direct application made to the Commander ' in. Chief, upon the subject of this levy, Irom Colonel Frtnc!) and yourself? J.' Of course a regular application was made from Co-! Ion. ! French and mvself, to grant us this letter of service; that went thri)ugh the regular office^ and we received the tv^:\i\iir aiiswer. ,- . Q. It was long subsequent to that, that you and iCo- Ton;! French applied to other individuals up;m t"he subject? y/.'Tiiat I cannot take Jpon me to say. Calonei French came t*'* town, he had been raising two levies in. Ireland, he had raised theiu with promptness and credit lo himsjeif, and great salisfuciion to the- Commander in Chief;, be.- asked me, whether I would join him in getting the levy, iiuA I imagined that the lenoth of mv service ei\titled me to ask of trie Commander in. Chief for this levy with Co- lunel French. Q. F^or wiiat purpose was the sum of five hundred gui- ^leas promis'id b\ Colonel French to Mrs. . Clarke f A. When we un lersiuod ihut this music-master could introduce us to a person in very great power, we thougLt. taat we had better give the live hundred pounds for their assistance; whoever J t wa?, whether male or female ; and then then in the regular form, we {'pplicd to the Commar.(3cf in Chief. Q. Had you not reason to believe that the; jippliratttm would be refused by the Commancicr in Chief at llnit time ? . \ Al It had not been refused, we never had a refusal ; we did not put it to the trJal. I rt alljr cannot say whether the Commander in Chief would refuse it or not, I do iiot. see why he should refuse it. Q. Had you not rcabon to b(?lieve, that the applichtion would be refused by the Coaimander in Chiei at thnt time ? A. I had no reason to believe it would be ; we had done nothing that was improper, and wliy should it be refused: I d^o not think it would have Ovcn rt-fused.*"" Q. If you did not think thiU liie letter of service would' be refused, how happened it that any apHicalic n was made to any other jjersonth'an the Cominander in Chiel, and why was a sum of nionfy promised to obtain it ? A. It would facilitate the letter of stivice when U€ presented the letter, of course: and that was the reason Tvby we appliied to' the person in power. * Q.-How long was the promise of five hundred guinea?> before the letter of service was graiited ? ' "'' ' A» \t was a long time before we got the letter of ser- vice •/ it' was Tery near upon two months, or te7i weeks/ before we got it, after the first proposal. il. What was the reason alitgeii by C;)loneI French to yoiil for the furt'h^r ud'vdDce cf the seven or ei"hl hundreJ pounds?- .*' oi-^'f. -^. -. -A. He ^aye -mfe no_ particular icason ; he said that'J^I bad belter g'lve her that sum; he gave nae no particular reason/' ^^ '•'*-' '-^^' • - '''''" "^ ■ Q. Have you any, and what reason to believe, that tlie letter of service was expedited by the money given to Mrs," Clarke? - - ^ ^ ^ -\ A. My own private opinion was, that it was not ; for, ■ '*This mode of nnsweting oft'endcd several Members of ibe Com- mittee, and they called out " Answer the tiues jun»" J { 165 ) I ;hink, she had very little influence wiih ilie Commander in Chief. (^ Have you any rci-ison to believe, ihat th<' Com- mar.uer in Cir.of wus privy to llie nion<'y gven lo xMrs. Ciaike ? .7. None in the world ; I never could have the idea. (^. Having btafed, that you considered the influence of Mrs, Clarkv to he very binall, upon what groundb do you iouivd that opinion ? ^t/. The Icnglh of time we had in obtaining; the letter of service. i^. Had you any conversation yourself with INIr. Cock- ayiie, respecting this transaction ? yl. No, it wa^ merely we were to he introduced to this person who had great power, and there to state what we wanted to I hem. Q. You have continually said, you were informed that a peison bad an influence with a great personage ; by whom were you so informed ? j^ . Mr. Corri, the music-master. ,Q. What communication had you with Mr. Corri, the music-master, with reference to this transaction ? A. He was a client of Mr. Cockayne, and he proposed or mentioned something of this nature to Mr. Cockayne, saying, thai if any of hib friends were military, and wished any assistance in the Wdr-office, or the office of the (Com- mander in Chief, he could assist Ihem, through his in- troduction. Q. What did Mr. Corri mention to you ; what per- sonal communication was there between you and ]\lr. C^rri ? ^ A. Nothinii more than I say ; I saw Mr. Corri once or twice, and he would not tell nic the name of the person ; but he stiil. persisted, in rrpeatino what I have mentioned, that he had inlerebt witli lh:s pt-rsDR. Q. Did tlie pri posal conie from \ou to Mr. Corri, or from Mr. Corn la yi>u, and in v. hat terms, and what manner ? //. hix. Coni proposed a to Mr, Cockayne, Mr. Cock- ayne ( 166 ) ayne mentione«l it lo mo, tnd then an iiUf-rview took place between Mr. Corri ar,(i me. Q, Then 1 nou understand, you hiul a personal com- muiHcation with Mr. CMckavne vourbell"? yl. Mr. Cockayne was the perboa who introduced ^Mr. Corri to me. Q. How (lid he introduce idm, and open the subject ? ^'/. Exactly as I liave nu'ntioned. This m:in was a client of Mr. Cockayne ; he informed Mr. Cockayne, that il'any of his frien !s weie military, and wished for assist- ance in the War-office, or the Comni.md'.-r in Chief's cffice, he had a person of his acquaintance that could be of very great use to them. Q. You are now only staling the conversation between Mr. Cockayne and Mr. Corri ; did P^lr. Cockayne relate to you, that he h«d had such a conversation with Mr.Corri, and what he would propose to you in consequence of that conversation ? ^. He did relate it to me, an i I begged to be intro- duced, or to have an interview with }tlr. Corri. Q. Did Mr. Cockayne come to search out you, or did vou go to search out Mr. Cockayne? J4, I really cannot say , he was a client of Mr. Cock- ayne ; Mr. Cockayne is an attorney. Q. Mr. Corri was a client of Mr. Cockayne ? j4. Yes. Q. You have been relating a conversation between your- self and Mr. Cockayne; did Mr. Cockayne come to you to inform you of this channel, or did you go lo search fur Mr. Cockayne ? - ''* A. Mr. Cockavne was my attorney ; find soini* there upon other business, he 'then related this to me. Q.'Did that interview witli Mr. Corri, in which two, hundred pounds were offered to Mr, Corri for his good ser- vices, take place previous to the regijlar application to l^ie Commander in Chief .? A. No, I belitve it wafi not ; we did not mention to him about the twrt hundred pound^^ then. Liord YolU^tme. Q. When wms ai;v ihiofr mentioned abv'Ut the two hundied pounds lo Mr. Corri ? ■-- A. Afur ( :M7 ) A. Afier the ictter of service was ^rantcil. , , ^"t?.'For what purpose was the two hundred pouu Is. of- fered ti) him ? , . J, --'^.' He liad previously mentioned, that he expected Bomething for his trouble, in the event of the letter of ser- vice being obtained, but no sum was named. Q. Was the aj>plicaiion to iMr. Corri previous to the application to the Commander in Chief ? A. No, certninlv hot. Q. Was your first interview with Mr. Corri previous to .<^'Our reguhir application to the Commander in' Chief ? A. Assuredly. •Q. And, in that interview, ii was Understood that Mr» Corri would give you his goud offices ? A. With h:s IrieniL, wh'tdh was Mrs. Clarke. VQ- ^Vii^ the offer of five hundred guineas to Mrs. Clarke rnadc* w'.th your privily ? . A, Certainly it was; I empowered Colonel French to .write thus much to the person who we understood was to he our fniend in the bu>>i!icrsSi ^ -'- . r Q. Was that prev-ious to the regular application? ' * W. CcrtHinly. - , . 'vQ..J)i(lj^"u ever mention to Coloner French your idea, lljat Mrs. Clarke had\ not ra^uch intereit with the Coiii- Biander in Chief ? -'.■."' ■-' ' ^,,.,.y^. .Uepe:tleUly. .. , . - •^^•.. - n . .. ... • ,:0. What was Colonel French*s (Tbservation'? .^w^; **' We had better S'^e'whal she can do." ~ (^. Did Colonel French 'mention l6 you'the necessity for keeping this transiiciioh secret'?'" !'"'- -"^ V-?-/*^ A^ Most assuredly he did ; ccrtainlv'. .'^" v- ^ Q. From whom dici you suppose it was to be kept secret ?;.' A, It was required, from the person who was unkna^vn tbus.that it should be kept secret. . ' * , ..^., , ;,".;,,.• Q. \}^^ you mean the person who was then iinknuWn 40v you, as being Mrs. Clarke? *^' A' As It proved afterwards. '■'^Mr. Mark IVood. Q. Do you'mean to say, that Mi-f...- Clarke required that l&is transaction should be kepi se- cret I . :. . \ . ' .. •• f 168 ) . A. Not 'a doubt about it r-that she requested it upon ajl 'occasions; and when I have seen Mra. Clarke, she re- quested 1 would not mention hec name, or the Commauder in Chiefs name. Q. From whom did Mrs. Clarke wish it to be kept se cret ? . . A. From all the worlfl) irom every bod^'. Q. -Did Mrs. Clarke ev?r meiuion a wish that it shoutd be kept secret from the Uuke of York> her having received any money ? ^ A* Most assuredly, she begged that it might never escape ray lips lo any body. * * Q. Then from convi rsation you have had with l\Irs. Clarke from time to lim-j, had you reason to suppose that she kept it secret from (he Duke of York ? A, I cannot pretend to say that; 1 know nothing about "whatshedid witii the Duke of York. Q. Do you mean in the last answer but one, that she wished you should keep it secret from the Duke of York ? . v(. f And every body pise as well. 4^.- '[ ask pariicularly as to the Duke of York ? ' .^^ A'es, ceiiainly she did. ' ' ' '* '_ -Q.' Was any, money paid to Mrs. Clarke before the letter 6f service wtts obtained ? ., .*'. 'A, No, nothing. Sir Thojfias Tarton. Q. I understand you to bave stated, that you have, seen Mrs. Clarke to the number of Tifiy . tira^? ; in any of those iiin<;s ditl she ever intonn yo'J ttiHt the Duke of York was privy to ihii transaction of her taking any money ? Q. Did she ever at any of those times inform you ihat the Duke of York knew of the application to her .^ • \^^A. No, she did not. ' ' ' '' '''^: •^• Q. Was the money which was paid t(>*Mrs. Clarkff/paid -- solely on account ot Colonel Fiehcih, vcre^ y(>u inlci* esled in that money yourself ? ' - ^- - . i- .-. , A. I bad part of ttie levy, and the money that was piiid by us was frora'the'joint stock. " *' •••" - *- Q. When you had conceived* from the delay of the letter ( J69. ) letLvT pf service, (hat Mrs. Clarke had very liiiie i merest \ulh the DuUe of York, with what molive did y'>u cohsciH |hat your money should be thrown away aAer\v.ird«» lo the ainouiU of eight hundred and fifty {dounds, to a prraon who had in y{;ur opinion no interest? ^. I ha^e only to say, that she persuaded us to tlie con- trary, and said that she had a great deal of mfUitnce ovci- ihe Coriiniander in Chief. Mr. Bai'ham. Q. 1 understood you to say, that" you had concluded, from the delay of the letter of servKe, she bad very little interckt wiih the Duke of Yoik? j4. That was my opinion. . Q. And I understood you to say, that, subsequent ^o ihe letter, you had paid her eight hundred and fifty pounds, consequently your payment of eight hundred and fifty pounds, vvas bubsequent to your conviction that she hud little iuterest uilh the Duke of York ; stale therefore why, ^JuLvino that conviction at that tiirr2,aj yeu have stated, you consented that your money, to the amount oi eight hundred and fifty pounds, should be thrown away ? ^. A* it was my opinion, but it wa"s not Cjt>ione'l.FreiKh's. Q. Do you recollect the date ofyour appiication for-the letter of service ? ■(-:,: ^ r ^\..^.. A. No, I do nor. . -r-.vW^-;*- - Q. State by what sums the eight hundred andf£fty |)ounds -which you paid to Mrs. Clarke, was made up ?, A, 100/. 100/. 200/. 100/. 150/. 100/. aiid JOO/. • ;. ,Q. AV'ill you state the dates? — A. 1 have jio d«>es. . [The Witness was ordered tQ wjthdww. » .. ' jt\.- Mr. DOMINICO CoRRi was called in, and u- > ,/• - Examined by ihe Committee, as follows; • Mr. WardU. Q. Do you know Colone! Frehch afiJ •Captain Huxley Sandon ? ' ' ^ . * '•, !" ■ A. Only Captain Sandnn ; I never saw Col onet Frl^nch. Q. Do you recollect introducing Captain" SandbiV to Mrs. ClaiJce? ' ' ^ ' ' ' '■'-'•- A. I never introduced hin^ J he introduced himielf?" - •No.V. _: . • !> ••:•-•■• - ']■'■' e.i6id N ( '170 ) ^'^'Q.'.DiJ you cl\e him the ducclion that enabled *him to introduce himself ? .A. Quite the contrary ; he asked me very often, f)Ut i never would tell him : be asked me several times, and I always lold him I could not sfiy who the lady was ; but he fouHd it out himself, and toid me htj knew the name of the person, aud that Colonel French had gont; to her. Q. Do you of your owir knowledge know what the con- sequence of their going to her was ? A. Yes.. Q. Say wlirat it was ? A. Ciipiain Siindon was introduced to rne by Mr. Cockayne; ajid he told me that he knew that I -was ac- quainted with the lady who had a great influence in theVVar- office ; aud he told n^e that if 1 would speak. lo this lady, she would have ^wo thousand pounds, from what I recollect, for the levy of the troops. I told him I would speak to Mrs, Giarkcj.and so I did ; kw<\ gave him the, answer, that sije would try what she could; but she said at the same time, it was a very difficult matter, that she was obliged to break through it gradually, and could recommend nobody hut people of character, and qualified for the place, aud to go ttirough the \Var-ot!ice, 41s evtry bjody else was; and ihis I told Captain Sand-on.' • . -''.'Q; Do you of.yotir own kjiowiedge know any thing more " oftbebargain beiwt-en Mrs. Clarke and Colonel French . and Captain Huxley Sandon ? ^. Yes ; Captain Sandon came to me and said that 'the Duke had screwed them down very hard, and that he could only give seven hundred pounds, '* Well,'* I said, "it is all. the same to me what you will give, aud I wiJl ..tell her what you say;" and I told Mrs. C-^ke of this new proposal. in .this intermedium CapUaiu Sandon introduced hirnselt, as I said before. Mrs. Clarke, and I never heard any more of tiie business, ^ they setile^l .itrby themselves ; except in the mor^th of , June ISQ-i^Mr. Cockayne sent to me. at the cofftu?-hou&e, the Canon coffee-house, and he brought a bill, I bebeyiB, - whic^ 1 J} ever looked at, for two hundred, pounds payable to my order, he said, upon Mr. Grant. I did not look at tiie bill ; I put my name, and gave it to Mr. Cockayne, and ( ni ) and saiil, you haJ bettor keep it yoursr.If, [ am under an oblipation to y^Hi, voti ha.i bettt-r kerp it. And that was the end of my business. Q. Do you «)i your own knowledge know nothing far- ther'of the bargain ihat was made ? A. Nothinf^ more ; several popple came to me applying to me tor places, and- I told Mrs. Clarke; but 1 never heard any more. She 'vas very anxious, to get the Gazette evf^ry ni^ht expecting places ; but I know nothing more oC the parties, for I intro came before the house, tle^troyed any papers ? A. I destroyed a pnper in the month of July, the shtt^ year, soon after Captain Sandon's business. Que day I w^np to Mrs. Clarke*s house, ajid she told mc she was com- ing, to me; that there was aterribre noise; that the Duke wa** very angry, and de»iredIwouId burn all papers atid letters that I bad ; consequently I burned all the letters at that lime. Q. Have you burned any papers since this business CRme'before the house ? "'''''/ A. 1 had none ; I have fotir letters in my pocket now, 'whicK I received from Mrs. Clarke since the 1st Januarv^; but I was terrified at that time, and did not like the busi- iiess, anJ I destroyed the papers which I had at the time of this transaction immediately after it had taken place. Q. Are the four letters, which you have now in your pocket, to the same purport with the papers you burnfed befbre? ' '"" ' • "^ '•^•' A. No, invitations to go and see her, to go and sj)encl the sixth day of the year with her ; the first was an invi-' tallon to see her. The first day I went' there was the sixth" and she desired me to dine and sup and to remain the whole evening, which I did ; and on the 16th I went a-od, rjpped there again. ^ ~ --''^ Q. Has'Mrs. Clarke ever stated to you any thing coh-- cerning the Duke of York's opinion respecting these trans-'- actions ? < i - . ?n.. As She never talked any thiug to me ; she always told^ ( ^r2 ) n-iT the snme tluirg she had before, that it was always a very (Ifiicaie i}ilP2 to open such matters to the Duke. 2. When Mrs. Cla: ke stated 'to you that the Duke was very angry :;t what hoH passe;!, upon which statement vou biirneil th(^ p^prrs ; did she explain heraelf any thing fur- ther, and st.ito ait vvhat the Duke was anrjrv ? A. Yes; she toUl me at tiiat time tliat the Duke was watched very close by Coionel Gord'on, tind that Mr. Greenwood also watched her motioiib ; therefore she was so situated, sije could Oct noihing almost. 0. \Vhat was iJ)e paper whicli you destroyed? A. O, just common things ; I could not remember five yejfsago ; a desire to Captain Sandon to go such a day to the War-oiTire, or something of that* kind. I was there v'i^cvy day of the year, consequently we had plenty of lim« for conversation, and bhe need not send letters to me. ,(2,. What do-you mean i^y"saying you destroyed papers ? A. I meaa thiVt'Mis. Clarke said to me, that I should destroy every paper, (because the Duke had hfeard of soRie- thing ofihe kind, and he was very angry indeed) *' for God's sake ;" and my wife was present at thi<: roriversation, and site went home aiid burned the letters; fur'hcr, she told iTie ijiat perUaps we should be called where 1 have the honour lo be now. . ._ ^ , ♦ > • ■ t. . f- .. 2. Did Mrs. 'Cidrke mean to state, that the Duke of York suspected, that there had been some correspondence b^twen her and' Captain Iluxley Sandoi'i, and ihat tiie fear of the Duk;;'s discovering that induced her to desire you to destroy all" letters that liaJ passed upon that subject ? A. She was just going-to Kensington Gardens at the time, tK« carrifigc^was at fhe door, and she said in^'a gfest' htfrry, '*. For God's sake^jgo honie and biirh^the letters f* an Jcherc was very little rnore passed in the l^urry. ''*■" "*^>'' -t?:*/ ^..Xou have stated, that you put your* tiame i^pOnr a- -bill for two hundred poiiiids, and rfeturn^cif it to ^Vi-t. 'Cock- 7' , : 'a: >JuncuHatevcr, not one slimlrYg. "-->.;» 'Mo. v-vT-n a Q. What ( 1-3 ) Q. What indiiccil you lo put your name on that biil ? A. Because Mr. Cockayne lold me it was payable V) my order ; I did not read the bill. Q. Did you owe Mr. Cockayne any money ? A. Yes ; I have Mr. Cockayne's account here from the year 1802 to 180G, debtor and creditor, and not one penny creditor but the Iwo hundred pound, which took place in the year 1804. <2,» What obligations did you mean in consideration of which you gave ^Ir, Cockayne this bill of two hundrctl- pound ? A. I thought, in the first place, that he vvas entitled to the half, if it had been for us, for I never asked any thing ; and I thought he should have the half; and at the time I said, '' You may as well keep the whole, you are very wel- come ;"" and he said, it is a very good act of generosity, ^Ir. Corri. Q, Do you know whether Mr. Cockayne got the money for that bill ? A. I know nothing about it, hje wrote me a letter, ihank- uigmefor this act of generosity. J\Ir. Sheridan. Q. In this letter of Mrs. Clarke's, which you state yourself to have destroyed, did she express any apprehensions of tiie Duke of York's knowing any thing about the transactions in which- yourself and she were . concerned ? A, Yes, it was in con<«equer.ce of that that the Duke had heard soniethingr which had iransDired. and that he was very angry, and. that we should be calle-il to this House. Q. You have stated, that you have seen Mii, Clarke twice since the first of January, en the 6'th and the 15th ; was there any conversation at either of those mcelirgs^ when you supped each time, respecting the Transaction to which this related ? yl, YeSjI was a little surprised, because soon after dinner sh'c sent for the twelfth cake, aitd they sent, for a compt;- ~ raent, to some gentlemen,, and two gentlemen came in (h« evening; and as soon as they came, the conve^^ationF of this affair of Mr. Sandon was introduced, nnd I repeated CTcry word there just as 1 have here, that Captain Sandon r 3 toia. ( 174 ) told me she had received the five hundred pounds, and Mr* Cockayne had received the two hundred pounds ; and they were laughinfj at-me, saying what a fool I had been ; and this was the topic of the conversation of the whoU night almost. Q. You have stated, that you were surprised at that con- Tersatiori having been introduced by Mrs. Clarke that evening ; did^lrs. Clarke assign any reason-foi* introducing . that conversation on the arrival of the two gentlemen you have^nentioned ? u4. No. Q. Did Mrs. Clarke allude to any other transaction of a bimijar nature, before these gentlemen ? j4. No, the rest was spent in convivial conversation and mcnimcnt, and I left the gentlemen thereat twelve o'clock, or a little after twelve, drinking there. \,"-Q, Do yo...i:i» i.- Q, J)a: you know who the other gentleman was? .-•"^a/iLtljCquld descpibe the figuie, if I could see him ; mjr ei^il is notj\{ery plain ; bull should Dol be surprised if lie Mra) here. , •* i . . C. Was f 175 ) Q. Was there any other person present besides these two gentlemen ? J. The first time there was a young lady, besides Mrs. Clarke ? Q. Was there no other gentleman present besides thos« two you have referred to ? j^. No; only Mrs. Clarke, a young lady, and two gen- tlemen, and myself, the first time. Q. The second time ? ^-J. The second lime there was another new fientleman. 0. Did Mrs. Clarke inform you who that third gentleman was ? ^. Yes, she told me he was a writer of some Paper; she told me the name, but I do not remember his name at all; some writer of some Paper ; and she mentioned some l^iper, but 1 forget what Paper it was; 1 took no notice of the^e things ; she said that this man was to lake care of her ; she was obliged to have him with her to lake care of her. Q, Did that person seem acquainted with the other gen- tlemen, or either of them ? A, Yes ; when he came, he shook hands with Mr. Meiiish. £. You have stated, that in the letter wHich you destroyed by Mrs. Clarke's desire, she expressed great apprehensions of the Duke's knowing she was concernc'd in any such tran- sactions ; state, upon your recollection, whether or not Mrs. Clarke did not more than onre in this letter, vexpress her apprehensions of t^e Duke of York's knowing that she liad received money in the way.in which it was stated that j>he had ? . . . y/. I could not remember the contents of the letter; but this conversation was repeatedly with me, to take care that the Duke should know nothing of the kind; this was done every day ; and that she was obliged to have great caution, to break the matter cautiously to him. ^ « . .. vi . • «■ *'X»*. |b.U Witness was then ordered to withdraw, and almost immediately after Mr. Mcllish entered the House, and upon ( 176 ) upon learning of course what had been s^Id by the wit- ness respecLing him. Mr. Mellish rose, and addressing the Chairman, observed--*' Sir, as I understand that my name has been mentioned by the last witness in a way that re- quires to be cleared up, I hope that, if it is at all in order, any Hon. Member will ask me a few questions on the subject, or at least that I may be permitted to put a question to the last witness." William Mellish, Esq. a Member of the Hoiise, attending in his place, was, at his own request, exa- mined, as follows: il/o Wardle. Q, Did you meet Mr. Corri at Mrs.. Clarke's, on the 6th or the 15th of January last? A. I never was at Mrs. Clarke's in tnv life, nor did T ever see her, to the be.st of my knowledre, before 1 saw her heie. Will the house have the goodness \o prrmil the last witoess atjain to be called m ? 1 uncierstand thai he is short-sighted, I will theretore go near him, and he will ascertain his mistake.* * Mr Dominico Corri was called in again, and Ex- - amined, as follows : « Q, Did you ever see n^e fMr. Mellish, the Member for the county of Middlesex] al Mrs. Clarke's? A, No, it is not you ; but I only say what she said to me ; the person I saw was a gentleman of a darker com- plexion than you ; if she tell me a lie, 1 cannot help it. Mr. Beresfard. Q. Can you describe the third persoi> you saw at Mrs. Clarke's ; the newspaper man ?" J. Ayes, he is a very awkward figure, sallow complexion ; I would call him rM.ther an ugly man ; very badly dressed ; Jark hair, and rough in his manner of speaking ? he ap- peared to me not to be an Englishman, he had sucb a bro- ken accent ; he was not,clegant in his speaking. * Here there was a cry tliat it was not nrcessnry ; howercr llie witness was ^n'ln called in, unci Mr. Melii^liwcn; lo tlui liar. Q. Did ( HT ) Q. DivJ the mnn squint? u4. I think a littir, 1 am not posiiively sure ; if lie srr.iint- ed, it niMst bo on the left sidi.' ; I sat on hib riL'ni sice Q. Was nut his name Finnerty ? ^4. No'; I do not remomber the name at all, I have a very ha 1 memory for iiames. She tohl me the name and the Paper. He t(jld me that he had travelled a grcp.t deal, and that he had been in Africa ; and he said tli.it he did not l;ke music but Scotch mus»ic, and hj made me piay a tune fifty times over, tiie same tune over again. Q. Did the person wear his arm in a sling ? j1. No ; lie wore them very careless in that way \_describ' ing It.] Mr. Sheridan. Q. You have mentioned, ikat Mr^. Clarke told you the name of the paper to which he \va^ wr-i- ter; was lie not a writer for the Morning Chronic'lr ? • A, It must be either the Morning Chronicle, I'he Timc3, or the Post, one of the three, Q. Did you hear any person call him by the name of Finnerty ? J. No. Q. Have you any reason to think that that is his name^ from what you have heard ? ji. Nobody told me his name; but we went into the back- room, me and Mrs. Clarke, and left all the gentlemen in the other room, and there she told me about Mr. Mellish and this other person. . Q. You did not hear the name of this other person men- tioned at all ?. , . A. No. Q. Do you know the person of Mr. Finnerty ? -^. No ; 1 couid not recollect him at all ; but I thought the name trt be something like a foreign name; if I could bcc hi ill I couid teli. [1 lie Witness was directed to withdraw. WILLIAM C ITS ) XVILLIAM DOWLER.Esq. was called In, and Ei^amined by ike Committee^ as follows : Mr. If'ardtc. Q. Are you not just relunuMi Irr-m ibe Cuntinciil with dispaiches ? ji. On Thursday last I arrived from Lisbon with dis- patches. Q. Have you known Mrs. Clarke long ? jl. Several years. ■ Q. How many years have you known her ? y/. 1 believe eight or nine at least ; I am not confident, Q. Do you reculleci ever seeing Colonel !• rench ami Cap- tain Huxley Sandon in Gloucester-place, while Mrs. Clarice was under the protection of the DuKe of York ? j4, I have. Q, Did )T>u ever hear citber of them speak to Mrs. Clarke on the subject of the levy ? -^. I have. , Q' Did y<"Ju ever speak to Colonel French or Captain Sandon yourself, by desire of Mrs. Clarke, on the subject of the levy I A. I did, Q. Do you recollect any conversation that you had witfi Colonel French on that subject ? ^. I do. Q,' State as nearly as you can, what you recollect to have passed at that time. -^/Isaw Colonel French several times. Q. Relate, as nearly ~«s you can, what passed between Co- lonel French and yourself upon that subject, A. I saw Colonel French at Mrs. Clarke's house, and was informed that he was there on the subject of the letter of service. 'I asked Mrs. Clarke, from curiosity, the nature of it ;\ijhe tohl me ; and 1 recollect perfectly, that 1 took the liberty of saying that I disapprove i, or thought it was exceedingly wrong, such a business, and endeavoured to dissuade Mrs. Clarke from it. That was one of the con- versations I recollect to bave had with Mrs. Clarke upon the subject ;' it was after Colonel French lefl the house that morning. •" 2- ^''•- t% ZT^mared hy Srfrmfcd, ¥rimt a. ^hettA iy Rcwl^uLivn ) '/^/Y/7. y^ J^ TC Pubiuhed. by J . Jftratrvrd. nt.. Splim-n Mil. Maraft jz ^iSo^ ■ ( l'7'-> ) Q D I vou recoii'.^'^t when you next saw (yuloae 1 Ficnc:i. ^r.ii iiuii iinv convers. i -n wiili him respcctinj; ihe levy ? A. [ -.anil" rec »1.(U \\\ n 1 saw Colonel French; it. i» a U>v.2 tune u-un ; but ihai 1 did see him several times affjr thai> 1 ptiUctiy ncolUct. Q, .Sifite the substance of the conversations, as nearly as you can, thai passed between you and Colonel French on thesubJGCl of the levy. yj. i^Jr^. Clarke told me she was to have one thousand pounds, unci a guinea a man, as far as my recollection serves me, to be paid on tne completion of five hundred men, when they were passed. I was likewise present when Colonel French or Captain Sandon, I am not positive which, paid i\Irs. Clarke live hundred guineas of the thousand that was first of all promised. Afterwards, I recollect seeing Colonel French there, and he stated, that there could not possibly be any but the usual bounty given, and that he came, (Mrs. Clarke was not visible at the moment he came) to request that an increased number of boys should be included in the number of the levy, which he should be able to pro- cure at a less sum than the bounty given for men : and that then' he should be able to go on with the service, otherwise, he said, that he should be obliged to abandon it. I do not recollect any thing particular that occurred alter that time ; but J understand that obstacle was removed with respect to the boys, that Colonel French's wish was obtained. I cannot speak to that beyond my re- collection at this distant time. Q. Do you recollect any otlier application of Colonel French's, to have an obstacle ^f any other description re- moved ? A, I do noL Q, Do you recollect tiiul he requested at any time, that the recruits might be passed nearer the place where they - were recruited than where the rendezvous at that time was ? J. 1 recollect that Colonel French stated, that as he ex- pected to get the greater part of his recruits in Ireland, it would be very difficult and expensive to.4)ass them in the Isle of Wight ; but I cannot. recollect the particulars of what passed at that time. Q. You have stated, that you remonstrated with IMrs, Clarke on thii transaction j what answer did she make to yoii ( ISO ) A. This and other procer'oirUcii to the ConiKiiabanat ; liad vuu ever been in onv Public Oince r -^. I had never been iii any Public Cfticc. When iiiv Tallicr retired Irofn business, which was within tl^e kriosv- lecioff of Gcnllcmen who are members of ibis House, I re- tired iniathe cntrmrv wilb him; • he -w.as a wiue-mci chant ajid a Tnerchant an general. • • i.- Q. How did you become acquaioted wilh Mrs. Clarke ? A. Throui;ii a gentleman that is dect-ased, Captain Sul- tua,' whom; 1 htid known fer some years previous to my J\nntvie(ij»e of Mrs. Clark-e. Q. Wii^n did Captain Sutton introduce you to Mrs. Clarke, and in what jnamier and with what, v.cw d»d be i,^ intrcJduceyoTi ? • ■ '. 4i4» H^'took n>e to dine at her house ; the view was be- cause there were a few musical persons lo be iherc, a mu- sical party; Captain -Suit-on asked me whether 1 would go ODtHn dinnerAvich him ; and that wasi thp cu^i^^se.cf my lyjiDc? introduced to Mrs. Clarke. Q. When was this ? .- , \:j.^".-l.havfc-ssiid^aB 'nearly 8d possiVfe about eight tr nine years perhaps ago, buc 1 amiiot coaiide.ul.iis to, the^engilt of time. .: ^•: r •?-•! .■ c. ' ^1 in xvbatananner ahd at what time tiid you make the prapqsition to; Mrs.- CkiiJte, ihrojj^ her intiuenc:etted, ai'tcr :>ir. Manby, . . .' '^-^ - -• ' Q, In what year was that ? — A. 1^05. ' -■ • ' -■'"■- Q. Was yo«r father appriaed of the object you h^d'in view > _ ' '"^ u4. Certainly. ■ r .,: - . Q. Might not your father have made application through Dtber/riends, for this situation for you . J* y/ ' ,. ^4. I am certain not. " ' ' - Mr.Htiskisson, Q. Do you 'recollect 'the date of this eoaimunicatioD with Mrs, Clarke respecting this appoint- ment ? . ■ ' ■ • ' •; ■ ui. I do not. '■ .:^ Q, State it as nearly as you can. w ji, I really cannot state it at all carrectly, because it was the subject of conversation ; it was first of all poiiUed out to me, the situation of a Commissioner of theXbtt'ery, . which caused the •''•' I' %* - -4. .1 think It was in June or Jul V, 1805.' i"^ v"" Q. Do you know the names of the Lords of the Ti eaPJry.- . by -whom that commission was si^n^ ? • ^ ;..^..^ly. commission is at Li\bon A^ith my luggage ; I cannot answer that ; as. I came with, difpalches, it was ne- cessary I should not encumber myself wirh luggage, and it is Ihero. ■ - ^ i- '■-''■''• , zQ. Cannot you state upon your own recollpctiun, the name of am- one of iLe>Lordi oMhe Treasury who sigited that commission ? ' ' ' ■■':.>^^^_^ jC. 1 cannot, ^ t] /jor-^'/v .tV -'-.t .y ^ W kjr: uv V Q. Yo'u.iaiso held, a 'comintasion' from the Secretary- at War? ' ^ '" ^ .. '-. - A. I believe that commission was made out after mytde- parture, und that it;ha5 nerer been in my posseitMon i hul.i Jbave no^powtr Xo.help my recoIleClio »« •> r -' -^ '-«ii?^( Q. After your departure for ^rhat place ?'>-'!5tyf*^i>^.., A. South America. .;"*-'-; i-*C!'V'F* -^•'-^ .: .'>} Q 2 _ (? You ( 184 ) Q,, You have state;J, that ycm received your first cbm- missioH in June or Ju)y 1805 ? ' ■ ■A. I believe so^ •■ ; • •;•-»; -^j^:: Q\ Where were you erapIoyeri-iaiicr'tbat^tiTne ? - '< .t%. A, In the Eastern District, Colchester, and Sudbury, ia Suffolk. '■ 'jv- '•« i \ Q. You hav€ stated, .that.Mr. Manbt's^conunission.too^ place "before yours ? ' ' '- ;•?-;►. -i .^^ rt i^tVy .\^ A. It did. ■ .' >, Q. And that Mr. Manby'5;hav!ing. the precedence 4»er yoiird, V9M th« CBUle of the.doi^y inryouf Ap;|^oimiiii)nl'hv A. Ye^. •-- •;'.:■; u-' re.; : > j>s|<:-: -G.^Doymikttowjthedatc o6Mr, Manby'«? . ..: .(; -<^." I do not ; I believe it >vas the comraenceinentMi^'tW year 1805, but I tannot be posiUYe tOithecuirBBttsiioikof Mr. MartbVj -as Inrvcr saw.ir^- o-i -at t r ^L-'uivn'j .jr : • ^. - You- «6eHljcu-ii > vj/:^'n'i' s/'i ?-iui* ce of .which, .'lirectiHfect. pay- ing her the temaindetiof the ihocsandjio«w«ti ^ / cC , ,Mt. Whitbread. • Q. In conseq iie nee xjf. this. notifies ti<, 1 1 t»eH)g received from Mi3.:Clarke;^'whHDKtep&.didyou (ake in'orriei' to procure tbenTistruinent ^hitfa'^mycJuJnfco posi^efeion or\'Ouroppoinimerjt-?":.o.:T?' ., t .^^. > i v-^r* «.. A. 1 was apprized that it was at the usual oQiceinihe Treasury, and Mr." Ver^nn wasihe ^enliema'nyC\i:belitA'e, fhat signified, it to rae ; Iwa6ia.expectQt*onvof. it every Gazette. i ntipyrrr.c'--,'^ '^-i . Q. Do you know who Mr. Vernon is ? .t r:.-c-y T .V ''*'-/f.*-^ beheve Mr. Yernmi*4 IB the: office brifther Treaiiiry where commissions are left. >. ; ■ Q- Did you understand from Mrs. Ciarke, -that she made ber appliration direct to any ^person in •the'Tt^tasury ; .or through v'hat channeJ'did yoxi understand from.her thaU that application w«5 0>ftde^ «*A ri-:j:Lii<.;:h-it)c.7v^il/.. .U A. To the Duke of York. .tij'.i-^m<\ tiiu^.^ .k ^ ' ' * - Q. Is ( 185 ) Q. Is tlie CtJiTjmiiioe lo.uncieisiarul, iliAt you, gate yoiir money to Mrs. Clarke under tlje belief liinl you had bi'iu recomraenrlfccl to ilie 'I'reasury for this iiiuaimM l^y i»i5 Royal Highness ihe Duke of York, through iLi: ii.liufiiC^ of Mrs. Clarke ? A. Certainly. Q. From the time that you first un.leritooJ that ihi': application hud been made to the Treasury, up to the tiratr • that you received this commission, did you take any steps to hasten or to expedite the object of your appoinimt;.: willr Mrs. Clarke, through any other channel whatever? u4. 1 did not. Q. Had you had communication with any person cnn- nected with the First Lord of the Treasury, or any other gentleman then in the Treasury, on the subject of your expectations of your commission, up to the time that you came 10 i\lr, Vernon's to takeout that commission ? ^, Never, but mentioning to Mr. Vernon my expecta- tions. Q. Then fou saw ^Ir. Vernon before^ you wrre ap- poijited ? 'A. Certainly ; I know Mr. Vernon. • Q. You saw Qo other person at the Treasury. ^ . A, Non^. . Q. Between the titpe in which you state you pai^ the premium for obtaining this commission, and the time that you actually received it, did you receive any intimation Irom any person connected with the Treasury, that your e^vpectations were favourably entcrtaiued ? . : ... •: j'.\A. Mr. Vernon mentioned to me one morning uhen I called there, a gentleman was speaking to him ;. I was desired to call in five minutes ; he said, " I believe you are going to be ^ppoint«d an Assistant .Commissary," i do.«ot knpw the exact term, there was a paper going up,, and be said, *' 1 have no doubt the appomimenL uill take place, it ^ has been signified from the Board, ".or some such exprts; fiion. Q^ Did ycu receive from Mr«. Clarke, the person whose recommendation you think procured you tl^s situation, • . Q 3 an y / • ( \S6 ) any infbrmfition respecting the progress- iiKiklng tem-ards the completion of the appoiniment ? ' ...;.■ A. 1 have slated uhat passpd between' Mrs. - Cl^lrft^'ftiVd itjyself respecting Mr. Warrbj's nppoir.-tmefrt^- it wa'S (be subject of conversation afterwards ; but it was not- of that conscqutncc to me as to make it the subject of panicukr inquiry. . . ..: M.,, . . Q, What, in point of fact, was the distance of time' be- tween the money being paid by you and the appo^^tment to the Commissariat ? ^.- r cannot at all te^lthtif. -,....- t .< li.-. Q. Not whctlierit was in the same vear ? • ••• • •- - A. Certainly' hi the same. year. ' • Q. Within six'-monlhs ? -• - -'■■^'■' A. Certainly., , ,: Q. I think you stated, that you had paid some sama of money to Mrs. Clarke, in expectation of getting some ap- pointment,, before you paid to' -her -the specitic «hii that was to lead to this appointment? • A, Not in expectation of getting any appoiitment. Q, For what other reason ? • ' y^^ It was considered merely as a tempor»ry relief- 4o her; shfe vras alv^a^s stating, '* the Duke- will have more money shortly, and i wili pay you ; and it was- obtained from my, father at my request, but with no view of any ap- pointment. (2. Then is (he committee to understand that the sums of money which, vou paid to Mrs. Clarke, before you ^aid this sum for this appointment, were loans made to her with- cut any expectation of any public employment being con^ ferred upon you ? .... A. Certai-nty.' ■- ■*• •'••• »• •->• •'•• * Q. When Mr. Vernmi, from whom you received the no- tificjition' of ytHir appointment, made that > nQtificaticxi, m what terms*'was it raade^ was it verbally or^in wrvt,- ing?. '• • "^ - ' ■ « • •• ■ .5'- - -■• -"' A. Verbally, ■ - • Q, What were the tfrms t^ it ? ' :' • -.- ' ,A. I believe Mr; Dowler, you are going to beapT)ointeJ aji Assistant Commissary, as far as I Ccin_recullecl the ex- pression. Q. It) / ' (M87: ) •(?. 'In "wlmt terms- (lid Mr. Ver'non intimate to- yon, thai you w • - Q. From whose hands, or Irom nhom Hid you actually r^c«ive the wtjicrant ^^f \Tmr appointment. ? 'A. I Ixjlievcfrom &lr. VoroDn ; there are ffcs paid'upon them, and I am rjfJt certlain-whothenrnvsell or a • fi'iend re- cnved the cunimi!!!W rived in England, irrKHiad'bUt. yesterday asummons to-al- tend iliis htjwse, very uraixpecterlly.' ' ' Mr. Alderman Combe, Q. From ihe time you h«vc r-^eived theappointmQRt in the Commissariat, to the . pro- sent Ume, have you never ascribed yourjf'.ppointmcnt; to- aii^r other • inteiH^t but that^of Mrs. Chwkz'lv.. .,-^^. .^l''. -• - i4. 'Instated,.- that^Rlrs.. CUike tiid not givq-'me the op- pointmeiii 1 feold, &nU that was llic ;on-iy answer- iL, ^ver g«Vft ^ I bought U.' ' • ' '' " ■•-,;, ;;;;. .. . Q. Was not vour'Patlrera ComrmoB-c®i»nqflma' :•>::. :ko 1 ... ^ A. He was, for many -^mr^. '> ! "'■: ■-'''■^ .•>-r..?'';f. ■ >'■'" — »^- ' r<; iifi .%^ i.^^v'>l>«)>yoa rccollcctia conve-rBation that passed •betwe'en yourself and me at the top of the Ha y market, aitet ^oi* h'ddreceii^J'thfe appointment B •' : > -i. ,\ . A. I recollect seeing.Mr. Combe, but; vvhatr occurred. X cannot possibly tel}. : ."'■--' Ji;'i "•■rf^"' ?-: ' • vr^ ■ •- Q* "Do you recollect thib having passed, that I congra- lulaled ( 188' ) . tulatfd you upon what 1 had heard, as to yourTrnviriej tfi- ceivcd an appointment in the Commissariat, and that I put the question, whether you h?.d received it from the " favour ofMrs. Clarke, or the patronage and iavour of Sir Brook Watson ? \ -I '.:• ' A. I have no recollection of the conversation th^t passed from Mr. Combe, but iiis congratulation to me ; he was on horseback ; I think the horse did not siaml very still, and I ran into the middle of trie stieet to ask Mr. Combe how he did. Q. Are vou quite certain, that to that question you did rot answer, that it was entirely by the favour of Sij Brook Watson? r ^■<.jx'^- ■■ ■■•,^.{_ A. Upon my honour I cannot recollect what passed, as I have before stated. Q. Will you undertake to say positively, that you rlid not at that lime say it was by the favour of Sir Brook Waisori? A. I cannot say positively, but I state what I staled be- fore, that Mrs. Clarke did noL^ive me the appointmeut ; and manv mrstakes .-have occurred upon that, by persons 5upposing thol 1 received it without having purchased My which is the fact. j^-"-. Mr. Sheridan. Q. When you made the 'remon- strance you have stated, to ISlrs. Clarke, dF(i she 'en- deavour to allay your apprehensions with respect to her-^ self, bv any suggestion that the Duke of York -was privy to her taking money on such an occasion ? A. 1 cannot say what conversation arose, except that she was offended with my freedom, ...j .1-,.-.. * Q. Did younbt consider Mrs. Clarke as placinga ^-^-y particular confidence in you, for a long course of years ? ' A' On these occasions I thought so ; but as my-cpinion <}id not accord with hers, communication very soon ceased on such subjects. • — . ^ -;- Q. Is the committee to understand, that , ^Mrsv Garke' flid not give you any reason to think that the Duke ufVork knew of her taking that money ? A- ".: i-.t^... i . ;■■■. "".'■'■ ' ^' ■■>'•- • . • • -•*'>'•. ■- 'A. She ( J80 ) -4. -She save nil? reason .jiUvays to tiiinlc thai tr.t Duke- of \'()rk WHJi,^^fGClii/ ^C(ju^iiUted wiihit. ^ Q. tD>, yju 4e-coli.t;.cL that ihc iransaciion rofp: ctjpj Colomni-'reiich aaJ Major Saiuion was m thp year laoi I -/. i do not recollect the time of the traiisaciH)a. . - Q..l)it yuu not recollect whether it was before or after your ^ivuig Mn,, Clarke lh« thousand pciiul for the purchase, >ib you term it, of tiic place fur you iii ihe Cjn;-, iiiissanat ? ■ ■-'/. My expaslujutionxvilh Mrs. Clarke on t^)e suh'Kc: <•{ Colonel. I'rench, was previous to.. ray- appoint !wt;ivl .-va \'i\c 'Omnvi'jsariat,.!. iieUeve. sa^as.farais my recniieciioiv^j^-jcs ; but I trust at this distance of time 1 shall be excused, if I ajn iBiperiecl.iis.lo. the dates... :. , ^. , C2-,-i'be transaction \iilh Colonel FrenOi " was ia the year ISO-l"?"" " " ^' ' • ' -'i. I have a belief that it was so ; but, not being positnTe, I.ivQiJd no^ venture to sa^' thai ofwhich I am notsure. .'-•Q-J.I'1'rrQJXi respect to Mrs. ClaHce, you thought it right to ^repionstrate and p.xpostulale again.stthc transaction wiiii Colonel French in ISO-l-, why did yoii yourself in 1S03 brjjlj)e her ,\yjtli one thousand pounds, to get an nfnce for you hj " ...I' ,j .;. ■■ .' ■ . / ■ ■ • •■ .,s^\ Because 'itie was'pecu^i^rU''*Hi^ti'eouIci\) r beg Iciive to amend that; That' I saw ker Jess frf»qucully during the inicrval ; not so frequeiiliy ^Aii.l had seen hur before : it pro^iiictd a gieat deal of aTiger in Mrs. Clarke,, my laki:n^ ihe liberty ot living rny advice, as I have stated. , , , '. ' ' ' ' .. Q.,^Lr. Uurip^,, Yfare you personally acquainted with Sir Brook Watson ? , - . . ,• :*- • ; ^ . / -^. Kl^I ( 191 ) A. Not. sufficiently so to bow to lii;n, even passing m the street. .Q. Do you know whether your Father was acquainted with Sir Brook Watson 2 j^l. He was, but not intimately, not on terms of parti- cular intimacy ; he dinod with him once a year, with tlie Comraon-counciimen Of the Ward, ihat was the utmost in- timacy I know of subsistin<:; between tiiem. Q. Did you never heur yo.ur Father say that Sir Brook Walson had interceded, or would intercede, to procure you a situation under Government ? ji. Never. Hon. Mr. Yorke. Q. You have stated, that besides the thousand pounds you paid Mrs. Clarke, you paid her large sums at ditierent limes ; can you sta.te the whole amount of the sums you have paid to Mrs, Clarke at thofec different times? A. I cannot recollect the amount of them, but I recol- lect particularly that I paid one hundred and seventy pounds t)r guineas for a vis-a-vis to Captain Warner, who way going abroad,; and she told ine she should have the money in from the Duke of York in a.fcw days to pay me; Q. Did they amount .altogether -to a thousand pounds ? : .. . "A, I am unable to state, fkeptno account. Q. What is the amount of the. pay^, with the emoluments of the office which you now hold ? -.7 .m ',..• mi • : A.' Iti England,' on the home- staff, the pay, of an As- sistant Commissary is fifteen- ihiilings a iJay, with various deductions. ' ■' •:» / .;.,. : -i:,;.;: -• ■ Q. Is ihat the whole emolument:? t "It :;,.,1 :•.' A. There is an allowance? .fut loiigings when ycru are not in barracks or twH-etLcd, buttliat ei.^re.ibil- Ictted. " ■ ^ '' ■■:' ' »■; ;''r'' ^uments of tiier. present &iiuiiuori wiiicl) vou hold Hmount to ? a: 'J^mre is an extra five 'bhlilL-ocs^, callecl Tf«i5ury.ray, given ro the Ofiicers of the Gomiciasariat'on foreign ser- TJce, subjettto the deductionBof: income iax, and. atLers that ure- ujii»al. -^^ -^■- ••''•■ ' » '' ' 'j'n -' ■ : • -" •'■Q. Dkl vou obtain that promotion or change ■of; your situartion from anvinl^ercst on i he part of any body, cr was it srninted withottl application to aTiy body ? A. It WES, granted on in Y application to Mr. Ilfirrison, yu consequence, I \vouU):;t^1ve'' the 'liberty .of adding, ofriry statina to Mr. Ilanibon that I hud Lufierod in->Tnv health from being in South Ameiic^j I diil not Avisli.to iiix)id-fo- rei;2n •sprriG^i bi>r wtib'-una-blo tn: ^d thnoivgh ahe fatigae of t'h«'iStaTe'I>'pat that- it their LontebiprSitfeaimht profM r, f -conccMiVied mvseyf lable, mnd-vras-wiliin^^ to un- dertake that of the Account Department. Mr. Harriaon refAh?ii,'l-w'iilsee about it. '-'^'He we^U out of his:ofi6ce,i.and returned 'in a -few moment?, and siriid he co-uld.see- irojob- j^ctioOj'if'it'waR not objectionable- to lire pers-on geiiag. at ^he hcad= of tl>t^'def>4Wtm€»nt. "Tlie pay oi; liae .L'\va:dq)art* mentsis the sattve.-' ■•' >■•' - • ^a.J. iu: n^ : ,.: v,.! ; Q. Do not you conceive it probable, that, from the res- pec tRl)}e si teat ibh yflur Fftthier heW ii* th« CorporatioU' of the city of London, you mioht be likely to have ^ererai friends who ihterc«'• ''"*'■■ .';.■■,_ :i:: :" ^•^•' •■ ^2''^ cm hav£ Stcitfttii y-our belief,. that the Duke of York wiK ncqu'ainted^ith-t'bfi cirmmstancttDf. Mrs.. Ctetke tat- in2 this monev ; can vou state what circumstances mduco you 10 entertain that b^nefr ■ — n jj.o;;/,- cii: j:. . ," .<• ■'".»^.^h^asstir^S^e^''Mr^. Gkwk«ol.'.': n;; r-- '.vj,'.' .Vi ■■Qf^Y'cm Kri6v^^»t.lbe- decla^ ration o/Mrs. Clarkej to induce you to that opinion;! i4o ' X f r^'in b ft?iid§s ^id di « {?C UT re d .' 't a. Tc orrt) bora te f h a t . pf i - -^. With respect to iheJrtinneyTof course I; cannot, ?bttt she iirdl'feKfewftl V<»^^»^tdd Juery shortly-, vjcjid. I was sja.^ Qj, So thaf tfe&ti 58'^iDigfl which you ha.ve:'giveit to- ike Hou%! ( «93 ) House, was founded solelv on ihc declaration of Mri. Clarke, wiihuui aiiv other con oborating circumilancc ? u'l. Oj course I had uu communicKtiou with tlio Duke of York, and it was her declaration alone which led me to believe that lie knew it, and my subsequent a[)point- nieiit. Q. Did you ever tell Mr. Vernon at the Treasury, at the time you received your appointment, that you owetFu to tne inrtuence of Mrs.' Clarke, or at any time before, that N't) u expected it from her interest i' A. I do not recollect having any conversation with Mr, Vernctii upon tliat subject. . J\L . J'aniittart. Q. Werf you not, previous to your ap- pointmerit, ever-introduced to one of the Secretaries of the 'IVcasury, or some other gentleman there? A. I never was- introduced to either of the Secretaries of the Treasury, to my recollection ; I have not the know- ledge of the person of any one of the gentlemen who were then Secretaries of the Treasury. Q. Or one of the chief clerks ? A, Not'to my recollection. Mr. HuikissGTi. Q. Before you received your appoint- ment from the Treasury, were you not Velerrerl to the Coniptrollf rs of Army Accounts, to be examined as t« youi fitness to be a Commissary ? A. i was. ' Q, Do y(;u recollect what interval there' was between that reference and your appointment ? A. I d^) not. ' . . ^ Q. From whom did you receive the letter of reference to the Comptrollers? .. •• — - -j.... A. I am not certain, but I recollect the circumstances . df my going to the Comptroller's Office; I saw the Secre- . tary, Mr. Fauquier, I think his name was, gave me the usual questions which were put, which I was to answer on a sheet of paper, what my habits of life had "been, my - kno\\ledgeof busjniss, and so on ; those I *insweied, and ^• he said the Cotpptrotlers were not then sitlihg, but if I was required further, he would let me know. •"*-'••-; *^^-^-. W No, VL ■'* - . K " u ■ Q. Do ■ ( 19* ) Q. Do yon know whether you received that letter from IVlr. V'erdon ? A. 1 did not. Q. State to the Committee in what situation on the Com- missariat's Staff^you were employed immediately beiore you were sent on service in Portiic;al ? A. The accounts of the Commissarv General were not made up, or rather my accounts, which are the last, hav- jHii been kept at Buenos Ayres after tlic (ieparture of the Army, having been sent there to pay ior lije supply «f the Army and the Navy on their reiurn home : and 1 was ap- })nze previous to my departure for l^ortugal ; and the day previous to \x\\ departure, I was the whole day with Mr. Bullock, finally sealing our accounts. Q. You were Assistant Commissary, under Llr. Bul- lock, of Stores and Provisions, in the Expedition to Buenos Ayies ? A. I wasi ' Q. Not being wanted at your return, you were placed on half pay as soon as your services could be dispensed Avith ? A. I was surprised to find that I was placed ux\ half pay, though 1 believe it was but for a very few weeks, because my . accounts with Mr. Bullock uere not settled, ainl I resided in London in consfiquence of it. Q. Wr-re you placed on half pay by any ortier of the Treasury ? A» 1 was only apprized of it through Mr. Bullock, I do not know that it was the fact. Q. Do you know on what recommendation you were sent on service to Portugal ? A. I do nor, Mr. Colitin told me that he had not sug- gested my name. Q. Do you know whether Mr. Coffin, the Commissary General, whs called upon on the occasion of Ihe^ E.xped,!- ^ lions to Portugal and Spain, to furnish the Treasury withra X-isi of all Assistant Commissaries who were upon half pay, or not otherwise wanted on services in England, in orfler that ( ' 195 ) : thnt r-hcy Tni<:ht be sent on service to those countries, with- out making trt-Nh appoiiilmenls ? A, iMr. Jiuli(. Q. Had you made no application or interest to go upon thi^ service ? A. Certainly not, except that which I madv to Mr, Harrison, rindiTig 1 was appouited lo the Store Depart- ment, Q'. Up to the period that you applied to Mr. ^Tlarri^on, requesting that you might be ciianged from the department of JStores to the department of ti»e Accounts, had you any rea'soiivexcept that you could pwform it with more SHiis- laction;^did you consider it any promotion in the service? \A. Cerluinly not, .for I believu it is ceftani thai th'.'re is /a -greater chance. of promotion in ibe'Store De p*iriiv.ent, ircm its activity, audiliat activity bemg in the e\e of the 'Coimnander in Gbiej", than being in the Account Depafl-- ment. -Mr. Bootle. Q. Before, you were in the Comraissaritis- Department, what was your profession of life ?. 'j/;'I was "a long time, after my Father quitted Londoih- and quilled bii>ine5S,. without any kind of occupation; my Kalher'a liberality rendered it unnecessary for u>e for liome- lii^ie previous to my sppointmenu ^Q. Before you w^rU appointed to the Commissariat, did yfju not follow the business of a stock-broker ? A' Some years previous to that, 1 . believe in ihe K,2. vear ( 196 ) year 1800, f)r 1801; lam net crrtnin preci?(-]y as to tilltcs. Q. Wliv did you quit that line of life, and when ? . yl. It was my Father's liesire, and besides that, in conse- quence ol peace first, ajid afterwards ihe renewal of humi- lities, 1 lost a great deal of money, by the faiJuie of . Clarke for this situation? A. My Fiither paid it, iny Father gave me the monev for it. Q. Was that the only reason assigned for your leaving your business of a stoc k-broktT, or was )t not froiB cinbar- lasifci circumstances in the Alley ? ^i. I was invited to stnv in the Stock Exchange by sorae of the Members, but my Father would n(/tccnsenl to it. Q. Did yod'pay all your differences? A. I paid my last shilling, and involved myself consi- derably. " , Q. Did you nay all your difierences ? - - ■• A. I have never seen the paper, nor mj' books of the Stock Exchange, because they were delivered immediately »nto the haifds of the Commiltee ; they were requested to beexcirained, and to this moment I have, not received them back. All'the differences would be that which you lose by the failure of others, and among others, Mr. E. P. Soloinon*s and Mr. Cope were deficit to the amount of five or six thousand pounds to me, which was the cause of my leaving the Stock Exchange. .- '\- Q. Have you paid the debts due from you, at the tiine of your quitting the Slock Exchange ? ^.Certainly not ; because these are debts due from mc •in point of honour, as i.t is a^place where many of '-the ifansaclions are not' legal : these are due from me ;.'fhey C/iine suddenly on me; and I believe they are the only- fransactions that' I had with those persons. ' ( 19T )■ Q. Do you recoUt'Ci at what lime your quitting the StccI: Lxchaii}^e took place? A. The date I caunot ttll ; it was the lime of the failure of Mr. E. V. Solomons uiul ]\Ir. Cope. Q. It is a pretty important event in your life ; do not you recollect when it occurred ? A. No ; not unless 1 had my papers ; I was endeavour- ing to recollect this morning; but 1 have not a particle <.>i papur here ; 1 expect my things from Lisbon ; and I couUl tell it I had my banker^ book. Q. You have stated, that you had at various times lent money to Mrs. Clarke; had you lent any money to Mrs. Clarke, previous to your quitting the Slock Exchange? A. I do not believe 1 had. Q. Had you given any money to Mrs. Clarke, previoii^ to your quitting the Slock Exchange ? A. I do not believe that I had. Q.. Were vou acquainted with Mrs. Clarke previous to- your quitting the Slock E.xchange ? A. Certainly. Q. For how long ? A, I must refer to the former answer I have made, that I-liad known Mrs. Clarke several years. Q, Do you recollect the -first lime you either lent or- gave any money to. Mrs. Clarke?- , , A. \ do not. Q, How long ago might it be, -two or tnree, ur four years a^o ? A, 1 wish 1- could answer the question, but it is impossi- ble; I have not any recollection upon the subject that caa be called accurate or near it. Q, Was it a]l in one year, or in different years ? ' A. Of the one thousand pounds, two hundred were first given her, and aflervrards the eight hundred. Q. Were these the only turns that you ever lent her ? Jk A. I have staled before, that I have lent her sums ^J^ diflferent times, which I had always been assured would li| repaid, an-Ljunting to a considerable sum, which 1 can' Dot recollect exactly, but which never were repaid. Q. Do you mean to state, that you lent various sum? of i^ 3 mon'"\' ( ii>s ) reoney to a considerable am(iin!, cxpertinf; liiem to- be re- paid, and yet have uo recolUction oi what they were? ji. V.KQtyi the hundred and seventy guineas for the vi5-<«.vis, i have no rc'collcclion cf the precise sums. Q. Do you mean 4u btate, that they were loans to Mrs, Ciaike? A. Yes. Q. Had you nny security for those sums of money that you lent to her ? A. None. Q. Did you take any memnranJum of the sums that you lent to her ? A. 1 am pretty sure not. Q. And those sums uere lo a considfr.nble amount, at various times, for whicli you touk no memorandum r vf. I have taken none. Q, You arrived from Portugal on Thursday last ? A. Yes. Q. liave you seui Mrs. Clarke since your return from Forlusal ? A. Yes. Q. Wheu did you see -jVIrs. Clarke, since your return from Portugal ? A. On Sunday last. . Q. Myve yon seen her since ? A. \ saw her just uow, in the Witness's room. Q. Was any -body with Mrs. Clarke when you saw he1' ? A- I waited upcn licr, to request that 1 might not be called upon as a Witness ; seeing the circumstance of Colo- nel French's levy in the newspaper, I saw her address ip the newspaper. Q. Was any body with Mrs. Clarke when you called upon her ? . . * A. Nobody but a young lady or ^vo. Q. What conversation passed between Mrs. Clarke and yoii when you called .upon her ? , . A. I lamented. the situation in which 1 found her place^l, as to the notoriety ot' this, and that 1 iiad ;»l\vays told herl uas fearful K would become known; t.nd fehe -^aid the Duke of York, to the best of my recollection, bad driveu.. her to - it ( 191) ) it br not payinc: h( f ikhts, and not Ijeing piinclual in t)ic liunuity, as bhe lermeii it, that shtj was 1he said he had driven her to it ; jny conversation was as short as possible, merely lo request that I might not be called upon. A. Had you seen Mrs. Clarke before you went lo Porlu- gal, in the course of last summer ? . A. Yes. Q. Fre(}uent!}' ? A. I cannot positively state how frequently ? Q. Do you recollect what was the last time you lent her or gave her money ? A. I do not indeed. Q. Have you lent or given her any money since thc/tirae , of your appointment to the commissariat ? A. Upon my word 1 cannot recollect ; if it has been, it roust be very trifling. *" Q. Can you positively assert, that neither yon nor any other person connected with you, solicited Sir Brook Wat- eon to support the interest which you supposed to be mak- ing for you at the Treasury, lo procure the appointment iu the Commissariat department. ? A. Never to my knowledge. Q. Did you know that Sir Brook Watson was frequently consulted at the Treasury in making out Commissariat de- partments. ^1 - ui. I was not acquainted with that circumstance ; but, I was not at all known, and I did not even bow lo Sir Brook Wat- son if we met; I was noi on sufficiently good terms with Sir Brook Watson to think he would -aid me in the appoint- ment ; on the contrary, when 1 waited on him, havii'g re- ceived my commission, he did not seem lo know me, and ordered me to depart the next morning. Q. Can you say whether Sir Brook Watson knew that interest was making in your favour at the Treasury for ihat appointment ? . ' . • . ■ A, I ( 200 ) A. T know nothina of that circurnstance. Q Can you positively say Sir Brook Watson did not, lo the best of your kiiowlecige, miike any appiicHtion to assist with his recommendation the interest making for your ap- pointment ? A. I believe, to the best of my knowledge, that he did liot aid me in procuring the appointment. Q. Hare you always and uniformly represented that Mrs. Clarke was the author of your appointment ? A. I avoided saying any thing upon the subject as much as possible. Sir Arthur Pigot. Q. Did you ever at any time say that you owed your appointment to Sir Brook Watson ? A. I have not a»y recollection of saying so, to the best ©f my belief ; but it is hardly possible to recollect circum- stances of such long stcinding; I aUvay?, to shield Mrs. Clarke and to prevent any sur.picion, said, that she did not give me the appointment, and theraore I confined myself lo the truih intentionally ; I gave that answer when I was pressed by persons who knew nie ; they might conjecture, but I always avoided the question as much as possible, and few persons took the liberty of asking ine. Q* Ifyou ever said you owed your appointment to Sir Brook Watson, could you ever have forgotten it ? A. Th« error-^ of memory are so great, that I cannot po- sitively speak to such a tiling, but I should imagine I never did say so ; trusting to one's recollection at a length of time is a very arduous task, Q. Do you admit, that you might have said to some per- son or other that you owed your nppointment to Sir Brook Watson, and have forgotten that you said so ?. A. 1 do ndt thitik that I ever said so, but I do not plet Lord of the Treasury himself. I am altogether ignorant : 1 certainly have not the least recollection of this pcTSon bei!)g recommended ; and until he stated to the Committee this evening that he was an Assistant Commissary, I did not know that there was such a person upon the Stafi ; upon liis stating that circumstance, and that he purchased the commission from Mrs. Clarke, my a,ttention was of course called (o his evidence ; I then took the name of the witness, and I have recalled to my recollection, that a person of that name had been directed to proceed to Portugal, to serve xu the Commissariat there ; and that he was directed lor this reason, that when a very large force was proceed- ing to Portugal and to Spain, it of course became necessary on the communication of that circumstance fronj the Secre- tary of State, to provide a Commissariat Staff adequate to- the amount of the Army going to seAe in those countries : 1 communicated this to the Com.missary General and the Comptrollers of Army Accounts, and desired they would furnish me with a complete list of all the Commissaries who vr^ereritkrr not absolutely wanted in the service in Eng- latid. or being on haif pay might be sent : in the list so sent 1 must hape found the name of this Gentleman, and 1 can state that "Avith the more t!onfidcnce, because extensive as tiiat Army war>, and numerous as the Commissariat, there was not any one fresrh officer appointed, the whole were taken cither from the half [)ay of the Commissariat as £ hare stated, or from persons who in consequence of ti»e retKjciion of the force in this country, it was conceived ir.ight be spared for foreign service. 1 am confident I never saw Mr. Dowler till I saw him at the bar ; I cer- tainly do not recollect any one circumstance connected with his appointment ; J do not know when it took place, Bur can 1 give aiiy other account, than that -»\hich 1 have uow. ( 203 ) now i;ivcn. I know tlmt Mr, Manby holds an appoiiit- ineiuin the Commissariat, because finding him Ujioii half psy he was directed to take charge ot" a district in Knt^- land from which another Commissarv was sent uti foreiun service ; but I cannot recollect whether Mr. Manby was appointed during the lime I held the situation of Secret&ry to tl»e Trcaaiiry, or at any other period. 1 am equally ig- norant as to tiie circunisJariccs which led to his Ap)iOint- nieiu, and of the([iiartL'r from which lie was rccomincndcJ, as of the person wiio has been examined. (2' Do you recollect INIr. Adams being aj)poiutcd a Conmiistsioner of the lottery ? yl. I do rccoHcct his being aj)poinleJ a Commissioner of the Lottery, uhen he "was private Secretary to Mr. Pitt, at the time he was First Lord of the Treasury. William Sturges Bourne, Esq. a Member of the House, attending in his place, was examined as fol- lows ; Q. You were Secretary of the Tn asury in the months of May, Juncj and Jnly^ in the year 1805 ? A. 1 was. ^ (2- Will you acquaint the Committee whether you .re- collect any application, either of Mr. llichard Mauby or of the gentleman who has just been examined ? A. After the statement wiiicli has just been made, it •will be only necessary for me to state, that 1 never saw Mr. Dowier, till I saw him at the bar to night. 1 do not recollect any application being made to nie on the subject of this ap{)(>intnunt, and urn totally unacquainted ^vitll the circumstances rcspecling it. Mr. HusKLSSON said *^ he would search in the Offices of the Treasury, and if any documents could be found as to his appointment^ and that of Mr. Man- by, the House should have the benefit ot the informa- tion. Sir f 204 ) Sir Thomas TuRToN moved, *' That the House do adjourn, observing, that it was impossible to come to any conclusion that night, and he urged the lateness of the hour, and the Fast Day approaching." Mr. Wardle said, he was considerably fatigued, but it the House wished it he would go on. The CHANCELLORof the Exchec^uer was for pro- ceeding. FOURTH CH AUG r: AGAINST THE COMiMANDER IN CHIEF. iVIr, John Grant was called in, and examined by the Committee as follows ; Q. W etc you Agent for Colonel Freqch's hcyy ? A. 1 was. Q. Do you lino\T what ai^jrccmcnt twisted between Golcnt'l French ami Captain Sandonj with regard to the Levy ? •■ • yl. That it was to be a joint concern. '^ Q. l^o ynu mean by a joint cuncern, that they were to stand iri t({uaj proportion of e^aiii or loss : A. i do. Q^ Do you of your own knowledge know through wh(.sp intluence it was that Colonel French first obtained his Letter of Service ? i/^. -Ill ave no further knowledge as to that fact thau M'hat was toid mc Uy Colonel French~and Captai;; Sandon, Q. Vvili yon relate what Colonel Fitcicl and Captain Sandoa told you? • A, Tiiey told nic that they were to have a Levy, and were to get it through africndj which fiieed at that time Idid ( 2JJ ; I did nat knONV, but before the fjCftcr of Servic;' (Mmeou!. 1 was ac(]uaintrd tha* it \v:i? throu^^h a r\Ii*s. Cl.irkc, Q. Did vou know from them that they caint'd tiiat Let- ter of Service thron2:h the medium of tiiat friend t.ioa im- Itnown to you? — ./. They told me so. Q. D") yon recollect that dnrinj; the proT^rcs-: of th- Levy, any alteration was applied for in the oriifinil tcfims of the Levy through the same medium, Mrs. Clarke. A. I do know that an alteralion was applied lor : t'ffcy applied, but I cannot say that that was through the saaij medium. Q. State what that alteration was ? ji. I cannot immediately state it from recollection, b ir it will appear upon the Letter which w.is issued from the War-office in conscquenfc. Q. A Letter sanctioning the alteration was issued from the War-office in consequence of an application, but through what medium you do not know ? — A. No. Q. Did you ever hear Colonel French or Capt^iin IJux. ley Saiidon say by what means they had obtained that alteration ? A. 1 in fact knew the means, because it was a Letter written applying for such an alteration. Q. To whom was that Letter addressed ? A. I understood to the Commander in Cijicf._ Q. From Colonel French and Captain Sandou? — A. Yes. Q. Can you recollect that any other aUcration in the Levy was made ? .A. I cannot charge ray memory with any more than one. Q. Was there any alteration "wUh respect to Boys? A. 1 think that was in the original Letter of Service; I cannot be certaJa as Yas to allon- a guinea for cTery 11)3 ri raised. Q. Do you know that any sum or sums of money were paid in constquence of that last agreement lo Mrs. Clarke ? ^. 1 have been told so ; but know nothing of it my- elf . Q. Were you told so by Colonel French or Captaia Iluxlfv Sandon ? ^. By both. Q. You- were told both by Colonel French and Captain Huxley Sandon, that Mrs. Clarke received payments ac- cordiDg to the last airreenicnt of a guinea a man in addition t> the 500 guineas originally contracledfor ? ^i. J cannot say whether it was upon the first or the last agreement^ but that she received several sums. Q. Do you know that she recriicd scveial sums sub- seqiifnt to the agreement you speak of. of a guinea a man ? ^, I do not know at what period she received any sum ; nor do I speak from my knowledge of her receiviug any, " but only from what I was informed by Colonel French aiiti Captain liuxley SanUon. Q. Did you as Agent to the Levy pay any sum of mtj- Dcy to her or to any other person ?. ui. To her none ; but to several others very large sums. Q. Do you recollect paying a draft of 2C01. drawn in favour of i^Ir. Corri by Cai)taia Huxley Sandon ? A. I accepted such a draK, and >t v^as paid by my banker. Q, 'lh(x amount of that was placed to the Aevy ac- count? v^. To the Levy account. Q. Have you ever understood or been told by Colonel French or Captain Sandon, that Mrs. Clarke has received very considerable sums for her influence on the Levy ac- count P vf . I have. Q. Did they ever cHher one or tlic other of them tell you, ( so: ) ynn, or have you reason to know, the amount of the different sums paid to her on that j^ccotint? u^. I know nothing of my ownself ; but. they have men- tioned to me the sum, 1 think, of 1,7001. :Q. Did you GTcr he.ir Coionvl French or Capfain Saiidon complain of Mrs. Clarke liiving disapponitcd them in any of their applications on that subj/CL? A. i do n^t know tiiat they ever made any others to lier. i2' Did you ever hear Col mcl French or Captain S.in- don complain of Mrs. Clarke havinir disappointed llieni in any of their ajiplications on that subject ? ^ --/. 1 cannot (^ill any such thing to my memory ; it doos woti>cciir(o meat present. '•. Q. DoyoM recollect Colonel French and Cipfa'n SanT doii- to have expressed thcinselvcs satisfied with the eJt.T- tiofjs Mrs. Clarke had made in their favour ? --/. No. ■■ ^* ^ . y<2* Di you recollect that Colonel French ever applied tt> you, respecting the loan of 5,0301. that hqs to ba raised /of the Qommaadcr in Chief ? ^'. -j^ ^4. lid did mention to mo that he wished to aflford to the Dake such an accommodation. ]'' V^ -^ •>«:.».' »* ; i-,r> .. 'Q. Did Colonel French desire you to take any afeps towards nrocurintf that monpy ? ^ - .- v-c .J. No. _ . , _ ■-"^- K ■ Q. Did he state to you his reasons for Wishing to acdom. inodnte the Commander in Chief with (hat sura ? —' J. No. ■ ^ ~ ' - . ::Q. Hut you recollect that Colonel French spoke to you, respecting the raising of such a sum of money for the Cjm- mander in Chief ? '-'.*»/=): 4.„tm4* I <1o ; thAt he asked him to lend it to him for the purpose.,. ^^,.;,» ...,. ... ,.., ;;-.,:";* •>* . ^i ^' i^^'M yo" ^3, nearly as you can recdriect State" \fmit passed upon tliat subject? * '- ■ '•■ "v»^ V-?.. A I do not recollect any particulars ^hat passt(K 'Air- ..thcufciHi iiis askias tne to icnd him such a sum of muney '■'' -'^* ..^T^'... ■ .•^. . r ,, . ,..,. u,v., yii-; .».;, > J- x" ( 208 ; fjr (h;it pi:rfiOSL' ; us to iJu- };aFtiCuIar words J cannot poi- sibly recollect. (J,. You (uok no steps nbatcvcr for raiting the mone} ? A. None. Q. Did you slate to Colonel French that it coisld not Le done ? ./ ] tuhl Cjlnnel French that under the heavy advance I ulready wa.s, for the Le\y, I certainly could not lio it w r. ' e<;n vcnier.ee. Q Do Vou iceollcci thai Colonel French £ii':"es{etl that this, loan of 3.0C0!. vas to he advanced, i)rovidtd the ar- irars duo from 'GovemniCiU on t'.iC Levy aeconnt were paid up ? ' A- iNo such rondiiion or provision a\ as stated ; b.:t it vv,i> observed, that il" ti;at should be recovered it niiglit fo:Ui a part of it. Q. Was it Colonii French who made that ob?;erTation ? _-/. 1 really cannot recollect M'hcther it 'svas from Colo- \\A French or Ironi nivsilf. Q, Tlien the nu.de of accommodating tlie Duke of York "was ai'ifated between you ? A. If that maj be called a mode, it ccr(ain!y was. Q. Do you mean to sny, tiat if the sum due from Go- verument to Colonel French on account of the levy was ]';ai(l up, the Duke of York might on. that CYent hare been accommodated ? •'' ..^, ]Vo, certainly not. (2.^Vas any ajfplieation made to yonr knowledge' by the Duke of York, for the paying np of the sums due on trie, kvy ?, ..>/■ Not tha;ti know'of. " (3. D.d ColoncrFiench ever tell you such application was to be made, or had been made ? * . Ai Colonel French did promise that he would memorial . the Dake iJ|)on it. Q. D.d you say that if the money was paid up, the fivfi tho.isand pounds Vvas to be lent to hiui ? ■-•^•■No/^ ■,*..'■'• ■•■ •■•■•■ V \Q- Thenyou mean merely to state, that if the money . due dn account of the levy was paiil, that ob that-cvcnt y o u ( 209 ) }'o^i would have boen able to have met Colonel FreuchV? ■\vislies» and to have made tlie advances to the Dake of York ? yl. No ; T never mentioned any such idea^ nor took it into consic'eration. Q. I thoifght you said, that there being so much due from Colonel French on the account of the levy, you could not meet his wishes upon that subject ? A. That did not relate to nhat was due trom the War Oftlce, but to a large sum still due from Colonel French and Captain Sandon ; which they had expended perhaps in other ways, and which sum they are still indebted to me to a very large amount. Q. Do you recollect Colonel French complaining of other parties having larger bounties than were allowed to his Jevy^ and that that hurt his recruiting very much ? ^. fle did mention, that he met recruiting parties wherever he went; but as to the bounty being. larger or Bot, I cannot undertake to say that he did. Q. It is understood that Colonel French and Captain Sandon had at one time thirteen guineas, and at another time nineteea ; at what period Avas the. sum adv-anped fromi the thirteen to the nineteen ? ji. I cannot speak particularly as to the period, but I think it was in May, 1804; if the Letter of Service is re. ferred to, that will shew itdistinctly. Q, Did Colonel French tell you whether that advance "Was procured through the medium of Mrs. Clarke ? J. No. ~ Q, Do you recollect that Colonel French ever told yoU that through the influence of Mrs. Clarke,^ he had ob- tained permission to have his recruits passed nearer the places where they were recruited than before ? — A. No. ^ [The Witness was ordered to withdraw,. The Chancellor of the Exchequer said, that it Tvas perfectly unnecessary to put more questions to this witness,. as he could not answer, them from his S3 - own ( 210 ) own knowledge, and they could only tend to prejudge, ihc evidence of Colonel French. Lord FoLKSTONE urged '* the propriety of adjourn- ing the further investigation of the bus-iness, which was then the more proper, as a great many Members had left the House since the adjournment had been proposed by another Member. " The Chancellor of the Exchequer stated, ** that if any adjournment took place in that stage of the in- vestigation, when witnesses had been called to piH>ve one side of the case and none upon the other^ justice tv'ould not be done to the Personage against whom the charges were made. As a complete enquiry must be the object of all parties, he therefore trusted that no interruption should be suffered to take place." ' • ^ Mr. Wardle here observed, that he needed no force to compel him to do his duty ; he had laid down his plan for proceeding ; but if it was the wish of tht House, he would agree that Mrs. Clarke should be called in. Mrs. Mary Ann Clarke was called in, and addressed the Committee, as follows : I feci myself so ver}^ unwell, and so very much fa- tigued, tha,t it is impossible for me to be examined this- evening; I have been waiting here eight hours, and I iim quiie exhausted with the fatigue'; my feelings haVe been very much harassed during the time. [The Witness was directed to withdraw. [The Witness was again called in.] ' / '' [The Chairman informed Mrs. Clarke, that it was the pleasure of the Committee that her examination should proceed, and that a chair should be provided for her accommodation. fMruCJarkcJ The chair will not take the fatigue ■ofFmy mind. [The Witness was ordered to withdraw. Mr. ( 211 ) Mr. YoRKF. addressed the Committee. He said that there was too much reason for believing that the wit- ness had been conversing with the last witness but one since his examination, and that she wanted' fur- ther time merely to digest her thoughts, and make a more plausible story on her next appearance. He therefore proposed, to prevent a recurrence of a si- milar mischief, that the. Serjeant at Arms should be ordered to take her into custody, and detain her till her next examination. Lord Henry Petty had the same feeling, that she must either submit to be examined, or be committed ; but he thought it right she should be apprised of the al- ternative. Mr. Williams Wynne reminded them, that the House must be resumed before they could exercise the power of committing her. Mr.' Rose thought it fair she should be informed, that she might agree to seclude herself from all inter- course until her next examination. Mr. YoRKE w^as not aware that there tvas no prece- dent to be found of a Committee committing a Witness for refusing to answer. The Speaker said, it was of the highest import- ance to deal with the liberty of the subject. He was not acquainted with any precedent of a Committee committing a Witness ; he was sure there was no mo- dern one ; as there was no precedent of an examina- tion into such a complaint as the present since the days ' of Queen Anne. He conceived, however, they could donothing conclusive in a Con>mittee. 'Mfl Sheridan could not see, 'if she persisted in re- fusing to ansvver, how they could compel her ; and if they could, the world might say that such a proceed- ing v^s unfair ; nay, she herself might hereafter, at- tribute her answers to such compulsion, and den^' them. Making allowance then for tbe.se ronsid^ra'-' ' twnsj ( 212 ) tions, would it add to the cure, by lockiijg her up? But if it were right in this case, why not confine all tha. other witnesses, to prevent communication ? — To-mor- X^Tv also was the Fast Day, and so bhe would be of necessity in confinement till Thursday. Besides, she has already had all tlie time that was necessary for holding any communication tlfat might be thou^C ne- cessary. ^ .^ . .- Mr. Wardle stated, he had just received a note' from Mrs. Clarke, in which she ^xpressQd a wish to see him, as she was very much indisposed./ Mr. Lyttleton and Mr. Croker both' expressed their wish she should be immediately examined, as. they feared she would have communications with the Witnesses already examined. Mr. Adam felt the circumstances' they were placed in to be of the most serious nature ; the cause itself wasvofothe^reatest importance, and the eyesi of.ther country were upon them ; but th^y .were^te) do theic duty. There were impgrtant considerations" which should be equally balanced,„as, on the one. hand," tbey i>hould see that no communication was had. with, her,, so, on the other, it should not be said that lier evi- dence was forced. This was the dilemma th^y were placed in ; as in cases of Committees upon. cpntc;sted elections, they could not confine witnessesu for, rcfusipg to answer ; so.he conceived they cpuldnqrhere; this it was reduced them to the difficulty thcy"-;"vy.ere,Jn. Of the two eviU then, he thought it better lo' lea.ve off where they were,- and to let it go to the credit J.pf/ her testimony, if, upon exapnination, it should ^pcar "^bc had had. any communication with the -other' witnesses ; but if they wer^ia force her on how, that woul'd'hcjaa excuse for her festimony : hut' not an impeachment of her credit ^Vry»iJ;i^:*^.^^ ^^•'^';*:.n'?^!"3in'V-i^:i:-''^^ X \ -,.'Mr. CANNiNb suggested the examining her' now merely to- the point, whether she had any coramunica- .;, ■ -t^ ^ - ^ ■ * tioa ( 2f:j ) lion with the last Witness but one since he had retired from the' bar ? ' ' ' Mr. Whitbrfad wished to know of what use this would be ; though she should answer in the negative, yet she might gain information to-morrow by channels ne could not allude to there. He thought it better to begin with her on the next night the Committee should iit, and then examme her as to these points ; at present one question would bring on another, and that at a time when she had declared she wits unable to answer. He therefore thought it advisable to defer the exami- nation. ' ' Mr. Canning ended the discussion by suggesting the calling in Mr. Dowler, and interrogating him, whe- ther he had had any communication with Mrs. Clarke since his examination. Accordingly, '.}-;-■' - *. . WxLiiAivf Dowler, Esq. was again called iri, and '^''"^ examined by the Committee, as follows: * ^-■^ -••' ... r r .. r - - ' ^' ■'■ ' -' - '->-•■».'./. ' (?. Since you quitted this bar, haye you had any com* ranbicatio.Q with Mrs. Clarke?, ,. t r -^. Only to offer her refreshment, as she is rery unw^; I procured a glass of wine aud water for her, whfcTv I-put bcsMe her. . - ," -'v ^Q. 'Ha?eyeu communicated to her the substance' oY what passed here during your examination ? ^ * ^■■f'A.-^N-o. -' ■'-'■' ■ ■': ■-- ' - ^V-: ; '■ ' \ ' i-^^' How long were you in the room with Mrs. Clarke ? i^Jf. i imagine five or ton miu^tes : — -the gentlemen wilh- drovr fr-acQ the roooi for some time, nnd 1 was absent ^at the time': 1 was in the room perhaps' fit e or ten minulpfir. : f^. Did you»gfyc Mrs. Clarke any iutimatioD whatewr> of what had passed in this House? '•^•;^-^;:*'tl•^•^V~**' r*:c!::.t'' A. She asked me the names of the gentlemen by whom < 1 had been examined j and.l a^nswerec\ that I dicJ uo^ kncfw them, hl-i:^.^ y^^t.. r -^ni.itf.^rr V'^::J'J -S:h c? y^orrr} r.Qz What other persons were present in the room ?' A. The whole of the witnesses I believe j she was un» wells ( :2M ) ucU, and several gentlemen gathered round feurj and asked her whether she would take refreshment. Q. }{ow mauy witnesses are there attending ? 7-./. When I say all the witnesses, I suppose there were ejght or nine in the room, 1 cannot speak positively. :Q. Were,you apprised that you ought not to have any communication with Mrs. Clarke ? iJ. 1 felt so! Q. And acted entirely from your own feelings npon the subject ?—yi. Yes. -■■'" ^" •' ' TTiie AVitness was directed to withdraw. " ' '[The Chairman was directed to report progress^ '-■'■-"• and ask leave to sit again.] 'OnThiirsdT!y,Tebru?.ry, pth, Mr. Wardle movdd the Order of the Day for the House going into a Coh>- mitteeou the Enquiry into the Conduct of the Duke of Ydtk. • •• ^^^ '" .' "' lAn* Wharton in the ChairV ■" ' - ^''\ * Mr. 'YoRKi, previously to the "Speaker's leaviilg the Chair, and: Tcfe ring to what passed in the Com - imttec on Tuesday night, begged leave to «ay a few words on the subject of the suggestions ^hren thrown out by him for the consideration of the House. He' was aware that what passed in that House might be misunderstood, and might also be misrepresented out of doors, "He therefore wished to Slate the groufids of what had then fallen from him. Fri 'fhe ifir-^-t'^place^ what he had thrown out on' the occasion alluded to, was merejy a suggestion for the consideration of the Comrhittee, in'consequencp of their' not going On with the examination, which they seemed so anxious to proceed in. He hoped he, as much as any Gentleman in that House, would be r^ady to listen to the application of any witness whom they migfcc feel it necessary to call to their Bar, pariiculafly in ( 215 ) in an enquiry of such importance- He was the laf^t man to recommend the adoption of liarsh measures against any person, particularly against a female. But he would not have discharged, his duty if he had not stated the impropriety of allowing a communication between one witness who had been examined and another who was then about to be examined, on a subject of so* much' consequence, a communication which, in his opinion, could not take place consistently with the ends of justice. He suggested it, therefore, only for the con- sideration of the House ; — how far it would be proper, jvitli the view of preventing this evil, till the wit- ness could be examined, that she should be committed to the Serjeant at Arms. An opinion had gone abroad that this was a novel and unparliamentary suggestion, and not agreeably to the forms of proceeding i ft thai. House. In his own justification, he must now be ex* cused for alluding to some precedents, which, though^ not entirely in point, went, he conceived, to sanction' the principle suggested by him. At the moment he could only speiak to his general recollection. Since, howeyerji had taten an opportunity of looking into the Journals, and he should wish some of the case«. to bejead, not because they were absolutely. in poinr^ but because they bore on the prihcrple. The Houses had acted contrary'* 'to his suggestion. He was' now. glad it had done so, and he was now of that ppi--» nion also. He was anxious, however, that the case^ should be read, that the House might know whifl they are. He then moved that the Clert do' read' frqrt)^ the i8tb volume of the Journals, the case ofMattfiew Prior, Esq. ,who being to give testimony'bcfore a ^tieci - Committee of that House appbintied to exaihinie mitb^^ the Treaty of Utrecht, 'was ordered to be kept in c^Qsel' ■custody of the Scrjeaift at Arms till, his evidence .\wi contiuii<^: \:''--'-'':^''''\'.^ !^: '^^^ . JMr. YoRKE then moved, thattheiist volume o^ the Journals be also referred to— <>n some of the mem-. bers ( 216 ) bers expressing some dissatisfaction, the Honour- able member begged the attention of the House. It was necessary that the House and the Public should know what bad been done by their ancestors. The case wasthen read, , ... '\ . . , Mr-'YoiiKf submitted that it was now; apparent that the practice_ of jceeping a witness in custody, was^ not .so nover or unparalleled a circumstance as might have been supposed. In not adoptingithe how thought the House acted very properly ; but at the same time, he hoped there I -wais nothing wrong in the suggestion he Kad.Tn'^de. I ^ ? ••' ^~ ., ' Xprd FoLKSTONE remarked, that ;f the cases alluded to .'J)y;the^ Honourable Gentleman, ^ were read only in ji|^tij5cajldn\Qf jbim^^ l^e had .no objection to the ^ dnie^ of ^the^MQUse being so occupied ; but if the Hortgiir^ble^QenUenian meant to found any motion or proceedir^ et\^'",the cases which had been read, he, for qnei".nius][4'^§ist.:Qh.time to' look into the. precedents .• "v^fiicjih^d.'l^ecnjal.luded to. .Heymustevch go a little far{)]c,r, at)d «tate, that-if it was- meant (6 be laid do\5'n ^at. thefactol^twp fitnesses wbo.jv^^ece examined at the bar jpf 'thatlSo'use.coromunica'tiag togeth*er,"oh any^ub-. jepij.Qr.evehpn the sllbject under inquiry, was sufficient ' tjo inv^fidaje tlicr testimony of both or either of^uch witneV^.s, ag^nst that doctrine.hemust solemnly pro- test. ./Sych ^communication -might innocently take ^laceVnay^^jie thought it was natural Jt should ; and i^hl^'s.^^ithcr'^r^be witnesses sosliaped their evidence iri^cpns<^quehj;^'6f such commtinication, as both to tell tjii?, saflnje^'Siory, hecourd not at allfigure Any thing im- prj^er".^wl}icl^^, could result from it; PaVticuTarly^ he nuiS;t'j)rQfest ag;a!pst.'such a doctrine feeing entertained, "^riei^e^the wito^s'es'hadnot evenlieenxautioned against Ijol'dip^^ ajiy communication with'eacli other. ^^f^^.^,.; "Mr. 'F'uLLER wished to know' what any^Tioncst wit- i)esses coujdhave in holding any communication of the iind. ,'Whcricv;er the case shoald occur, he could re- ( '^i' ) gard it as nothing short of a contrivance to support their falsehoods, and a design lo deceive and impose on the House. 1' ' ' Mr. Sheridan now rose, and observed, that in ccn^ jwjquence of a question put by him to a witness, on a former night* it had come out that a gentleman whom the witness had seen in Mrs. Clarke's apartments, was *a writer for a newspaper ; :knd a surmise had been en- tertained, both in that House and among the public, thatthis gentleman was M r. Finnerty. Such suspicion was so general, that it became necessary, 'for the cha* racter of Mr.. Finnerty, that it should be publicly con- tradicted ; he should at present have contented him- self with giving to the petition a most solemn and for- mal contradiction, were not some farther notice of it necessary, inconsequence of the peculiar situation in which Mr. Finnerty at present stooi. A prosecution was depending against Mr. Finnerty, at the suit of the At- torney General, foi- a libel agamst the Duke of York, w]]ich it was understood, would be soon brought to a trial. -In this situation, Mr. Finnerty conceived that the introductiun of his name, not.only as a person ac- .custpmed to visit Mrs.lClark? ; but, in fact, as the per- son with whom it would seern to be insinuated the pre- sent charges originated, would do him material preju- dice with the public on his trial. ThePetltion fronn Mr.' Finnerty., which ^he held in his hand, stated these facts, and p'-ayed that* He^ might be called to the Bar, where he would - give cand.id, open, and explicit answers to every que§tipn\ which should be put t® .,irhe Petition was then read, by the clerk, as foi- *.•■'•*>. ♦ Mr. Corri. ■. . \^ .^> No. vn. •*V5;,',: .\ -. v> ( 218 ) •TO THE HONOURABLE THE HOUSE OF COMMONS OP GREAT BRITAIN AND IRELAND), IN PARLIAMENT AS- S EMU LED. THE IlUMBtE PETITION OP PETER PINNERTV, OF CLEMENT'S MiN, <;EN1L£MAN. SIIEWETH, That Vcnir Petitioner has heard with surprise arid regret, that, in the . oonrse of the examination now carr^'ing ■o4i before your Honourable House, relative to Jiis Royal Highness the Conamander in Chief, his name has been frequently introduced, and that questions have bee« put iniplyinjr a suspicion, which may pro'luce an impression injuriqus to him upon a prosecution instituted against him by his Majesty's At- torney-General, and which is expected ^to be very shortly brought to trial. — That your Petitioner therefore thinks it necessary to State to your Honouriable House, that he is perfectly ready and willing to iippenr at your Bar, to answer any questions that may be put 'to him.-^Afi your Pctitionej* has never been engaged in any transaction » hid) he should shrink from avowing, he begs to assure your Houom-able ,^ouse, that his answers will be frank, full, and explicit. r And your Petitioner shall erer pray, &c» "Mr. Sheridan said, he should now content himself tvith moving that it do lie on the Tabic. Mr. Fuller, *' Then 1 do humbly move, that Mr. Fionerty— ^' ." ' , ^ The Spi'Aker iiiformed the Honourable Member, that there was already a question before the House. The House immediatelv reooWed itself into the Committee. William Sturgis Bourne, Esq. attending in his ■place, made the following statement : 1 stated on u former night, that I had never seen the Witness, Mr/DaTvler, and that K did not recdilcctthat he had ever ^)een recommended to. Mr. Pitt through tne, but that if «jTch ^recommendation had taken place, 1 should probably be able to find a memorau- dutn of it.: I have since searched for such a nhc- inorandiifn, but I can find no trace of his haying been 4o rccomaiended. William William Hoskisson, Esq. attending in his place, \ made the following statement. I stated on the former cvcnliif^, that I had no knowledge of Mr. Dowlcr, nor no rccoUecUoii of ever having seen hlm> or bis haviii}; been recomniendcH through me to Mr, Pitt. 1 certaiidy have now no recollection of any circumstance I had not then ; in consequence of what I stated to the Committee, that I should make an inquiry, I' proceeiled, in tire first instance, to cause a careful search to be made »t the Treasury, whether among the niurvt- nienfs of that Department there was any paper to be found, or any trace of a recommendation" of tfl'is Gentleman : the result of that search was, that there was no such do. cximcnt in the Treasury. I then sent to the present Com- missary General, Mr.Cofiin, and I desired Mr. Coffin to examine all the books of the late Sir Brook Watson, anii all the ])apers which, -in tUe course of oITice, when he succeeded Sir Brook Watson^, had been placed ia hiscarc^ 1 also desired the persons who had Sir Brook NVatson^g private papers, Vis eicecutar, to examioe such papers a« \fcre in ifkir posscssioo ; they have not been able to^nd^, either m thvpiiblic records of theCommissariaiDepac^tment. or among his private napersi 4ny trace of a rccommeu^ia* tjc^ by him, either official or private, of Mr, Duwler in tb,^ siuation he nowhold3;the only mention made of Mr.Dowler . io the bo6ks of this department is what I shall state pre- sently. Harin^ failed in this quarter, I applied to Mr. Adams, Mr. Piti's private Secretary at tbe.timQ he was appointed,- fur any ififormalion he might possess, or any recollection he might have ypon the subject. Mr. Adamj had not the least recollection^ as he stated andlis rcairty^ to state Til evidence if, he is called, of any reoommenda- tlon of Mr. Dowler ; hejsUtes, that, with respect to -alt pfiyaie papers of Mr. Pitt, and any memorandum which might have been kept of persons . Wha had been recom- mended to him for appointments, ^^hother those appoint- ments had been conferredur not, tliey were in posaes-sion of the Bish&p of Lincoln, us his e2.ccutur. Mr. Adams 'went ( 220 ) ■went jesferday to the town residence of the Bishop of Lincoln, liic B shop ° is at Buckdcn, and therefore he could not obtain any inrortrijtion there; but Mr. Adams stated to me, that before the papers of the late JMr. Pitt were removtd from Downing-s^.reet to the Bishop's, all those whch did not appear to be of any importance, but merely cf indilFerei.ee, were destroyed. Whether any memorandum of this nature were or "were not de^troyciT, I must leave to the Committee. I also in- . quired of every Gentleman in the 'I'reastrry, at that time, as to any knowledge' tliey might have respecting the ma«;- ner in whielrMr. Dowler had been recommejidcd; none of ihose, whom I have seen,profe-s to ha-e any knowledge qf •he quartvr from which he was recommended. Under these circumstanctSj it may j)crhai,s be necessary to state, if theCommittee w.shes for any further light 1 can throvv upon' this subject, that I find upon the 29lh of March 1805, 'Sir' Br-.ok' Watson, then Commissary General, a[)- plied officially to the Treasury by a letter which I hold jn my hand, that three additional Assistant Commissaries should be appointed.' Iflt is necessary ] will read/the ' letter. On the 5th of 'June 1805, Sir Brook. Watson; •writes again to the Treasury, requesting that five a'dditional" Comini-saries may. be appoiuUd* But I must here obscrvcj that by the context of the letter of the 5th ot June it a^p-^ pears that' his request, of the 29th of M/.rch had not, then "been attended to : no appointments had taken place ^ in ,i:onsequence joF the former letter ; that would be,.' " therefore, live in the whole ; and he presses their immediata ajipointnicnt. On the 6th of July, he stated the necessity of one more, in consequence of one being in ill hoalth. la" consequence of tht^e'reqvjisitions of Sir Brook Watson^ it- appears, that on ite.*15'th oTJiine I -was directed by the; Lords of the Treasury to. write a letter to the ComptroI«i lers of A fmv Accounts. This is the first irace'Lcan find ofMrM^o'wler; 'This letter it mdy be necessary, 'perhaps, . 1 sliou'Id read tothc'Comnjrttee.' ' ' ,", . .» ^^^.-Mfi-t^ - :.ufF:: . fMr. Huskis60u read the Jetteri] .; [' . . »,,- ' '''»»hoT«*jr-*»/;i . ;. ' . / Gentleitioii'. " m '*i i^'ihhC' ■i'Mn^^^ii ' ' -^ ;,*..,.'* i^^^ -..,*>. - •• .'.'/ '• ; ,'.^'.'0';' :;•.:'.. • .- ' ' ••;■.:-'* " r ii j^ tj.i: ,-L ■.'.: .^ , . . ■ . 1} '>'"■ 1 " c v'Ji/'j'n^j U'^t ...\..,;. ..,.• .,• \j ^j ...; Wz^u.i ' I ( 221 J) " Treasury Chamber;, *« Gentlemen, Juneljih, 18(o." *' The Lordb Commtssioners^jf His Majesty's Treasury intoixiing to *' recommend to His Majesty, Willim Dowler, Gt-ntletnan, lor ttie sr- '• tuation of Assistant Coinuiissarv on the flome Rstablishment, if he '• shall be found properly qualified fur that ssrvice ; I am couimand- " ed by my Lords, to desire you will nccordingly exaiuine into his lit- •' nes^ and sufficiency, and report to this boaid, the result of such eii- ** q.uiry. «.' I arei, 8cc • ' IVdUam Huskision . ' * *' Comprs. Army Accounts," With respect toappoiatincnts of thii nature, norve are made without referring to the ComptroHers of Army Ac- counts, to examineinto the fittiess of the person : it there- fore becomes necessanry, in case my Colleague or myself were directed to prepare a commission for such a person, . to put him into this coursb of examiaationy vs p^eliihinary to granting him such arr Appointment* Id cunseqtteuce of this reference to -the Comptrollers, -a Report was re- cei?ed froct them, which it may "bealso necessary to Ftad :- this Keport was on the 3d of July, ., , . ,. [Mjt. Huskissoruread the lelter,] . . " fiT.- > '♦•(No. n5.)'V- ' ' > ■.'■■: •'■••' "' • ■• -^ ^ ♦« Comptrollers Of&ce, y-ii^'-miVbt^i,^' '' ' "; . • ■ •' 3d July 1805," ., • •* Mr. Hoskbsott having' by'his letter of the 15 ultimo, signified to tis ** your Lordships commands, that we slioaldf exaniioe mto the fitoesi •' and sufficiency of Mr. William Dowler for the situation of Assistant ** CoTtimissary on the Home Establisbnacnt, aiid report to' y<>ur Lord- ♦*-«hip8 the result of such"^ inquiry } — We have been attended by Mr. **• Dowler j and having proposed such questions as we conceived n6ces- *\ sary for him to answer in writing, we report to your Lordships tbat, '* in,answer to our questions, Mr. IVjwler states Ivimxelf to be thirtyHwo ** yeart ofag«, bora in the parish of St. Clement Danes, Ldadop. \ ,•:■.<'•'' 't ' ** 'thathe hastiot hitherto served in any Commissariat, but thai \^ **- receiTed' a Commercial e at Mr. Eaton's in Tower-street , arid " forsixteeuyeats had the management of his father's compttA^-t^oosei /' till be retired from business ^ that be uoderstaads French and Latin ; ** that he is conversant m aiithmetic in peneral, including fractions; ** that not having served in the Comrwissariat, he cannot say that h« is *' acquainted with the forms of Returns and Vouchers, or the method *• of keeping and making up ComnM5sariat Aocoiiats for cash and stores^ •* buUa»he has r«ceiviAl a conuaercial education, and perfectly i-oo- verkaQt C 222 ; '• versant in mercantile account^, wr arc of opinion, that jov.r Lordshipb •' mav wiih propriety rei.'omnnend Mr. William Dowler to His Majesty *' for the situation of Assistant Cnmm;ssary. . '* . ' •' (175.)" '* nd July 1805. ■ ■ *' Comntrollers Army Arcoants. ' ■.:::.": ** On the fitness and suflfi«;iency of Mr, William Dowler for the Fit)r^w6uld siibmif a Commission to His Majesty : if itisne- cessary to send him upon forei;?n scrvicCj then* he gt'ts a Treasury Comnii-sion, wfiich Treasury 'Comn.issioa .ienti« ties him (as the Witness states he had received)' to fire sliiHings additional payin consequcjicc t)fgoin2j. on foreign service. The first cryflimis'siun (hen issued from the Tr-ea- v';ury to Mr. Do\v!cf,was when he^cnton foreign service ta Sou ih A 111' ici. and is dattd the first of November 1806; Hiiit commibbion i? ^tiliat- the Treasury, Mr. Dowler never • •--'- - -' having ( 223 ) Ijavino^ callcdforit i^or taken it out. Onthe 27lh,o/ July," I find a Letter* from my then colieaiz;ue, Mr.. Bourne, staling to the Conjmissajy General that Mr. Dowler liajll)ern up. , pointrd an Assistant Commissary : this is all 1 can trace iri the Treasury or in the other departments respec(ingtiiis a;)- .poiutment. It may noL.be impioper I sliould stat^* to tlio couimiltec,tliat 1 do find that, in consequence ot the. requisi- lion of the ComniLssary Cieneral for tliis addition of five Com- missaries made in Jijiie,ihere Merj ajjpointed oil thel&iU Of Jiuie a J\lr.StoJces,on thosameday aMr. Green, on the lOtli of July Mr. William Dow]er,on the 25tli Mr. liichard iiillj and (HJ the 26th Mr. Cliarles Pratt. It is not withitt my racolitction at this moment, u{)on what recommendation or through whose application anyone of those persons was appointed ; indetd, oo looking ^vtr. the list of the whole of the Commissaries. appointed during Mr. Pitt'a last admir nistrafion, amounting to. seventeen or,ei|^hte/eq, I. find but two of whom I liave any recollection ; whether I shall be able to. find by the recollecnon of others who Tecom- mended them, 'I cannot say.^'^l will only state further, that 1 am satisfied the channel through which he was recom- mendedj whatever it rray be,^ was one that did notgive rise (0 arty SifsyHrioh in' any body connected With the- iVeasury at that time, tliat there wasanyniiproper influence efiiploy- «cF ; 'arid Icail btatethar cnntidcntiy forllhis reason, that it' is -th^ fuF^Hrf th(^ TTeastiry, if thry have any reason^to apprehend any .such transaction, to direct the comjitrolItTS to^w^^bnr th^y 't'eferthe paHres (an3 th^ Oqmptrollers' have a pOiver)'to'exainino upeh oath as to si/ch a fact.' I coifld produce proecs., JtUy 27th,'lSQ5:''. *' • I am conamanded by the Lords Couimissioners of Ills Wae^ljrjjS •* Treasury to acquaint you, that they have directed the Secretary at " War to puluiiit^ a Warrant to His Maje.<;ty,i"or, appointing William *' D'lwler, Esq.Hd be an Assi*nant Ceiiiaiissary of Srores and Provisious *• to the forces, from the luih instant, at the rate of lis. a day. ^i^ , . , ' r, *' fr. .S. Sounie.y •*' dcminissaTy'Gvneiai '■ Sir fi/opk ' WMspii.'.^ '; ' -^ . ' .- . • / ^ . u. ' \^.:- r. •-"■-uiissariat^ ( 2S4 ; missartat. 1 mprcly state this, because not findin g-artyTe- ference to such an enquiry bein^ directed, I a^ii sure tiiat HO suspicion of any such circumstance was in the mind oi any person connected -with the Trcastiry. 1 have no recol- Jection, nor do I know e?en now, of my own knowledge, thr(;ugh whatquarttT Mr^ Maitby Avas recommended. 1 have iearncd from a Kigbt Honourable Frifmtl of mine, who vas then cne of the Lords of the Trcastiry, that he was the person applied to, ^o mention Mr. Mart by to Mr. Pitt. It I had been able to trace in the same manner res- j>ectiHg-thi8 Grentleman, I would have informed the Com* mittcei Mr. Long wished to be aHowed to state what he knew as to the appointment of Mr. Manby; but the House being impatient of any further delay, Mr. War- DLE moved that Mrs. Clarke be called to the' Baf , ' "Mrs. MarV Ann Clarke was called in. 1) / ti,\ ''Some time dlapsed before she came, and when at length she appeared, she seemed to be in great agita* tion, and sobbed violently. . ''-The Chairman informed her, that if she had any- complaint to make, the Committee was ready to hear , ' *' I have been very much insulted. I knew I should "^ Be protected when I sent for the proper Gentleman, I sent for the Serjeant at Arms to conduct me in ; it jgSLS before I got into the Lobby//, . . . . -..../ i;'.i.. m. A chair was ordered, and being recovered from her* apprehension,^ sbc was examined by the Committee as follows ; H>iriii' )/. r.i'nei.: '\'Mr, U^ardle, Q^'Didyou. know Colonel French ? Q. Do you recollect- whether he applied to you in the year 1804, to use your icifluence with the Commander in Chiefj to have a levy of men for the army ? J, He j1. lie appiic'd to n-o, but I cannot rccoHect-thc year. Q. J)o )oii rt collect iltat hp applied to you fa use your intiiirnce with tl»c, Cu;miiaud(^'r iu Cliiei"^ to have a ifvyiof u)Ci\ for the army? -'/. Vtib, 1 do. ic.u f. Q. D ) yoix recollect if Colonel French ofTered youany pecuniary advantages for uiiu^yoyr iutlueuco ?■ A. Vfs, I do ; or I should not have inentiocjed his name. - C<^.(l^cf ywu' recoUect what those otfers were ? yi. No, I ilo not. Q. Do you rocullect any part of the ofler that Coloael^ French nrailc ? , ■.'•ij.il., ir.-i' *••' ro-' ^ai A. I have seen all the papers ; but ifl v^as to be guided; •by tiiein I should not guess nearer (he thing itself than - from my own memory ; 1 cannot recollect the time nor \hc conditions, Q, Do you .recollect that Colooel French ei^tcred ioto? Qjiy ooiiditions viith you ?•,,. ni r it.u:rr .iVJ 'V:.■:A■^ I "u ; Q, Did those conditions imply, that you v/cre to re-« ccivc a pecuniary reward for your inliucuco with the Cvm* Diander in ChielP— ^. Certainly.! iiJI^vj-n ucv .^U .;• Q,,D\d ypu,;incon«e/iueaec of.lhis, apply tp the. CojUtI ^ niander iu Chief, and requcs.t that Colvuol, French migliji^. be allowed to have a levy ? -.m .- j -,• : nyA o..\c.: .i. .^, CVrkajqly., ;• .,^u. v^. •;-'i'KM *:• ■? v? • 'CJ .M ,. Q,; Did youifitate tp. the Coitiraander In Chief, that jQQ: were to have any pecuiviary advantages if Colonel Fi'vnc(i n a* all owed to have a levy .^ .^-iXjur-'l j ■ I- ^. Yes, yertainly, :-;{ ; ' iin-oa.'^; bilJ }fcO<| nt'*^''' Q, Did the.CotPinander in Chief; promise you, after sucHf ^; application that ColQtiel F rep ch should have-^.j^T^ ^lacuoi"' ' . A- Yes, hedid., -. ^,^- > r-- . ,;■- 7 .^.-r !'. .t>7-^''* ' .,^.: Dill you, in consequence of, ColoneKFifench iifyin» *- such levy, rceeire auy sums of money irom him .O^WD^ir-/" otiier ])ttrsoii.i>i| that account ?, -jiii oi /iiJ'.q?. ijov LiCJ .p ' "'^^' yi. \es. ^ ^.loidtrg; Z,^. Can you state any particular sums tKajt 'wcire paid "• to you ou that account^ andby whu^ivf jsdr r)3*>»*! \> *' ^ ^/r'l recollect ha viog^n e sum^ bttt^J'caB not tell >*ne- .^ * - .■' ■■ j.\, .... ■ ' r ... . . ,., , iher .^-'^ ( 226 ) thcr it was Colonel French or Captain Sanilon, of five hun- dred guineas, bank notes, making up the sum ot! guineas ; and I paid five hundred pounds of it on accoinit to Bir- kett, for a service of |)Iatc, and his Royal Highness paid the remainder by his own bills ; I fancy his Royal High- ness told me so. Q. Dj yon recollect any other sum or suras that you received ? -/. Yes, but I cannot speak to the amo!int of them. I fancy ]Mr. Dowler was by, when I received the money I paid for the plate. ~ Q, D> you recollect that either Colonial French or Captain Sandon Rp))iied to you to prevail upon the Com- mander iti Chief, to make any alterations from the origi- nal terms of the levy ? - ui. They teased 'ne every day, and I always told his Royal Highness, or gaye him Colonel French's notes ; but 1 cannot tell m hat it was about, for I never ga?e my^ self the trouble to read them. I was not' aware of what tl»ey always asked me or wantedj but his Royal Highness. Always orKier84o=od it, I believe. . : Q, Do you recollect that during tho progress of the levy amy |oah wks to hav« bton rawie to the Commaniler i« Chtcf, by Colonel French ? A. No, no loan by Colonel Fretfth. Q, Do you recollect that any loan was to haye - bocn mad€ to the Commander in Chief, arising' out of theiery, or ronper+etlsfrkh the levy ? ^'' . ♦; yi. Colonel French told me, that if His Royal Highness would pass the accounts which had been some time stand- ing, aifd whrch"Golcrnt?T French and 'his Agent had ^eviry reason to ^erp^H'td ht^ve'^be^ti passed * before, and* which ' were all very correct,' he would accommodate him with 5,G0Of. tipoti jjropfr- security beidg given, at the' reguiar irlfere^t.- -'♦" moi; v^^.- jri 1.— -.•• »■ ;';)£.•',> Q. Did you speak to the Commander in chief upon this subjecl ?/ Q. Slate what filrther yoii'knOwtilpfin that point ? 'i4. I fcelierelhat His Royal Highness applied as far as '^* was ( Q07 ^ ■was prop(*r in him, and lie could not command the monev from ilu* tliffcrent offircs, or tht office where it was to be paid, and the thint: dropped ; lie has no busim-hs what. ever with money, and perhai)S he was rather delicate on that siihject of pressing, whi-n he expected to receive the 5,0C01. on loan, and where it might be i)ublicl7 kaowu afterwards. 3/r. Croker.— Q. Ilaw of^en hare you seen Mr. Dew- ier since he arrived in Eni?land ? A. Once, and the other night, till he was called in hero ; I have not seen him since. Q. Then you have seen Mr. Dowler bat twice since his arrival in England ? A. Certainly not. " Q. Did you inform Colonel Wardle of the details of the transaction xelaiing to Colonel French's levy ? > "^ A. Yes, 1 did of some part ; <>f the' best part, but not of all that Mt. Dowler has mentioned, by what I saw bv the papers ; 1 have had no communicatioti by note ()r otherwise with him, or any one connected with this busi- ness, since I left the House the other ni^ht; I have only seen two men since ; General Ctavering has called twice to-day, begging ihatJie might not be brought forward, but 1 would not see him ; and another Gentleman, whose name I will mention hereafter, and what he came upou. Q. How long have you been acquainted with Mr. Dowler ? A. As I have seen the papers, it is almost useless to ask me that, because I might agree with him. Q. How long have you been acquainted Mith Mr. Dowler? A, Eight, nine, or (en years ; I cannot say which. Q. -Have you not at various limes received sums of mo- ney fromvMr. Dowler? ' A. Some few sums. ^ ^ • ' Q. Can you recollect the particulars of any of the sums, or the amount-of the whole which you may ^ave received from Mr. Dowler ? ■" A. I can speak particiilarly as to receiving a thousand pounds for his situation. Q. Was ( 228 ) Q. Was that 10031. which you rocelrcd for liis situa tiou, the Idst sum of money you received irom Mr. Dowler ? A. No, Q. Was it the first you had eYcr receireJ from IMr. Dowlcr ? A. 1 cannot speak patticjilarly as to thaf. Q. Dj you owe Mr. Dowkr any money ? A. 1 never recollect my debts to Geutlemen. Q. Do you owe Mr. D )\vler atiy money ? A. 1 do not recoilect, nor can recognize any debt to him. (2- Have you not frequently recoixnized debts to Mr, Dowler, and proinibcd to have them jjaid ? A. 1 only recollect one, where 1 had two or throe carriages seized in execution, or sometiiinj^ ; 1 had no- thins: to go out of town in to Wey bridge ; 1 sciit a note to ]Mr. DowIlm's lodj^ings, and begged he would buy or }!rocure me a carriage immt-diaUly ; he did so in a fe^v hours, and 1 told iiim His Uoyal Highness would pay him hereafter for it; His Roya^ Highness tohl me that he would do so for it, or he would recollect him in some way. Q. Did you inform Mr. Dawler of that answer of His Royal Highness ? t^-: ul. Yes, I did. . . Q. A re. you positive of that ? — A. O, quite so. ,, Q, Try to recoilect yourself, and answer pusitiycly, \vh: ilier \oii were not- in the liabit of receiving money from Mi. Djwler prior to the n)oney given lor his ap- ])ointment? ' ' , A. I am perfectly collected at present, and I cannot recollect any thl iji of that sort ever happening. . lao) ve- ry .^qiial to ans'.ver any thing now which is. asked me by this Honourable House. Q. Do yjou recalled seeing Mi\ Gorri at your house ou the 6th of January las t-.i yi 1 nave seen him twice at ray house. Q III ihc month,of January ? A. 1 cannot rt collect the month ; it is not long since* (x^ Wua (xK ^ li.it other persons were at vonr huus3 on ihc lUi! occasion (h:it yon sa\v J\li'. Corri r -7. 1 found .Mr. ('f)rri ut my l;')'.isc one duv, in roni:'- (jiicncc ol a note I iuid sent to lum to procure nie a box at the Opera, to treat with my lawyer, Mr. C():nri(>, ai)oiJt one ; it was very near dinncr-tiine'wlien 1 found liinuherc; J could not do no less than ask liim to dine with me ; and afterwards he went up into the dravs ing-rooni ; there wa^ agentleoiau, who was a relation ol mine, wno dined with ns, and some young ladies. Q' ^^ ere that gentleman and these young ladies the only persons with whom Mr. Corn was in company at your house on that day ? A. I believe one or two came in, in the course of the fVt'ning. Q. U ho were the one or two? -i. I do not at this momctit recollect ; if yoii will a';!; nie exactly their names, and make the cjuestion pointed, I will answer it ; they were my friends, no doubt ; but i believe only one came in. Q. Who was that one ? — A. A friend. ; Q. Wliat \j as his name ? .. A. if you -will tell me his namfe, I will tellyou whether it Has him or not. [The Chairman informed the Witness that she W^ust answer the question. J A. It M'as Cc^nel Wardle. Q. Was Colonel Wardle the only o(hcr])erson that came tliat evening ? . ." . . A. And my relation. Q. Do yoit-rccollect having received a second visit from Ml. Corri at your house some short liine alter (his ? A. Yes ; he brought two boys to sing to nie. Q, Slate (he namc-N ot ali me mrn \>lio met Mr. Corri at your hor.se that eveiwng. A. If I did so, I should not have a decent man call ©n nie during tl;c whole of this tiau'. No. VI K U [IV ( 230 ) [Tiie Chairman informed the Witness she mu&c answer the question.! ui. Am I-oblijod to answer tl.is question ? if I ain, I do not wish to shtiter lujself^ [The Chairman informed the Witness, that it was her duty to answerthequestions proposed to her.J ./. iNInst 1, wiihout appeahng to you ? [Chairman. — If any improper questions are pro- posed, the Committee will take notice of them, and prevent their being put.] A. No one has yet done that to me. The witness was ordered to^withdiaw in consequenca of her retorts, which had occasioned murmurs among the member?, . Mr. Whiter FAD, however, observed that a general question like that put by the Hon. Gentleman, might cause the witness to hesitate, without meaning any dis- respect to the House. He wished the Chairman there- fore to be instructed to inform her on her return, *' that she would be protected in any appeal to him when any question \\aSvput which she conceived it im- proper to answer.'" » . ^ Mr. Croker remarked in answer, that the Hon. Gentleman seemed to have forgotten the question had been ihiice repeated, and the witness had most .im.prol pcrly answered in an evasive manner. He had confined nimselfto two points,and not gone into general questions, and these points seemed very necessary from the stress laid by the House on a former evening on the persons present, when Mr. Corri visited Mrs. Clarke, and on the petition presented this evening, which had been cheered ( L'Sl ■ ) cTircrcil from the slJe w lure it cjiuq from, imeaninr ihe oPpQ^itiuti.j Mr. WiJiTB;;iiAD persisted that he meant the instnir- tion as one of mere general regulation, without an/ farther notice of the present que lo be answered?/'^ 'Mr. Wai^dle thoaght that he could state, what per- haps might settle this business, and spare thc-M-itness sotrie pain. He liad no wish to conceal any thing that C34iuld tend to thrown light. upon the casc» as, hcT wonld convirice the Honourable Gentleman if he would reiiTfe vith"bim. But it was pi^ssible that he might ^ive pai^v rj the individual, while "lie "\^ould gain nothinorin'fa- br^i7^:y . ■ vour vour ot his objecL C'ould he not at once name ;ai>y in- dividual at whum his question might point» and Jic would assist him if he wished it ? Mr, Croker objected, and said, that he eould not. properly name any individual. There was a petition on the table from one who felt himself aggrieved, because: his name had been introduced in this business, and this might be the case again. Mr. Fuller ofTered himself to the attention of the House amidst cries of ** go on ! go on !" Aiid it was some lime he/or.' the House would hear hwn. He observed, tiiat *' If a marncdman was at Mrs. Clarke's house, he very mtsch commended the feelings of the Honoura- ble Gentleman, 111 the caution of the witness. He' would protect iicr in it, for the greatest mischief might be produced by a disclosure. . He Tnoughtthe witness right, and would protect her in her caution. If she answered this question the names of married men, and men who had families might be di- vulgcdi and create great trouble and confusion.*' •-' The Gbancellor of the Exchequer, suggested that when the witness was called in, she should be.insrruc-' tcd as to two circumstances ; for, if she was merely' told that she had a right to appeal to the Chair, it might be taken as a sanction of the sort of conduct she bad displayed at the bar, which, to say the best of it, he thought highly indecent. She ought to be informed, •* first,. that she must answer the last question ; and thenthat she might appeal to ihe Chair when questions ' ^ere put which she might think she was not obliged to answer/'* r^r** r**'-^' -^Mx. Windham could not but think that, if the Committee determined that the question ought to be answered, it must be answered. But the Committee coul^ not seewhat oiijcctor end the Honourable Gen- tleman had in view. Jt was for the Honourable Gen- v..-^ - ; [ , ■ ^ • * Mr. Wjrdle, tlemaii CIcman himself'to consider whether his qnec;tion was nr-- cessary, that he inijrht see thnr ir wns inconx^enicnt. Tiierc was much justice in an Hon. Gen leman's re- mark *■ which had been not so much attended to as -it dc^^rrrrt^. It was not (o protect the wit- ness, but to prevent her from implicating others, that the an«iwer would be dispensed wifH. He ur^ed the Hon, Gent enian to consider jf he could not get the in- formation he wanted by a less general mode of ques- tioning. The Chairman- asked ** what he was to dor" Mr. Whiter KAD said, ** his wish was, that the witnesR should be told that she had a right to appeal to the Chair, and if the Honourable Gentleman persisted in his question that she must answer." The Attorney Genera L.interfered and observed, that the Chairman had distinctly told the t\-itness, " tliat if any question was put which she ought not to be called upon to-^answer, the Committee- would interfere." Mr. Ckokf.r said , he wouJd pursue the course of ex- amination he had begun ; for he could not conceive it improper to ask the names of persons who had been ex- hibited before a music master, and l.is two singing. boys. -.4 ' " [The -Witness was again called in, and was in- formed by the Chairman, that if any question should be put, which she thought improper to be answered, she was at liberty to appeal to the Chairman, whether that question shoulcf bran- swered or not ; and that with respect to the last question put to her, the Committtec expected ^hat she should answer that directly or positive- ■ IV-] ;■.;.. ; Q. State the names of all the men: who met Mr. Corri at your house that evening ?<. - -» • . . ;. ^i. Captain ThompsoDj Colonel AYariUc^ and a news- -'■' :> v:^ * Mr, Puller. .( 234 .) paper man, whose name 1 rc»lly do not recollect ; Inevor ; (-^w himcbiit twice hpfore ; but he answend exactly., to the (iescription 1 read in ihc paper, as given hy Mr. Corri ; 1 shall kno\r it to-niorrow ; it brains with Mac, . . . -rQ, W.as the name Macalium ?* A. Yes, Q^ Did } ou represent any of Ihosr persoiis to ^Ir. Coiri under a false name ? ui. No, 1 told him one was a IM ember, which was very true. Q. You did not tell him (hat it was Mr. Mellishj a IMember ? yf. No, it was his own mistake, Q. Which of the three persons was it that yon intro* diiced to Mr. Corri, and represented as a Member ? A. Mr. Wardle. Q. Do yo'i rocoll ct in what sums you received the lOOOi. that Mr. Dow lir jiave yon lor his place?. A. PerfeUly well. Q Slate them. ~ A. Two hundred pounds first, and 8001, afterwards, in one sum, which his Father came up to town to seJi out of Ibe Funds. Q, Was not that 2001. paid (o you before the Apf oint- ment had been obtained P A. A few days. '' Q. You have stated, that you do not accurately recol- lect how long you have been acquainted with Mr, Dowler^ whether eight or uiuc, or tea years ? A. Exactly so, - T Q, Cannot you recollect whether it was eight or fen years ? A. No, I do not think I can. Q; \Vf re you acquainted with Mr, Dowler before you lived in Gloucester-place ? A. Yes I was, some years, ♦ \V« understand that Mr. PiEnTiE Fkakc M*C.\!tuM. is llie ;a3thor ot u pain})hlei, entitled '♦ Observations on His Royal Highnu s the Duke of KenVs Fersecution since iiis Return to Gibraltar, (^c. " He is said TO be a native of one ot" the freiich West-ludia Colonics and wrote** 7Vaic/* in Trinidad,''* A, Yes '( 23b 7 ' Q. Were you acquainted wiih him before yon lived ia •Ta-visiock-pLace ? - A. Yc?, I was. Q. Did .you never receive any money trom Mr, Do>f- Icr while you were living in Tavist()ck-)*lacc ? A. No. Q. \i) you recollect your ever having receivtMl any inoney before you received the 2001. part ofthelOOOl. from JVIr. Dovvler ? yi. No. I do not recollect that I had. Q. Do you recollect having received any money since the 10 001. except the money f»r the carnage ? A. I think ouce or twice I have, speaking from my re- colTcction. Q. Did you receive the money for the carriage, or did he pay for the carriage ? ■ A. lie paid for it, and he sent the carriage in within th? 5 pace of two hours. He bought it of a Colonel Ship- ley. ' Q. Did hepav forit? ;.. v A. Yes, certainly, , ,.,■.-, ' Q, He did not give you the money to pay for it, bot paid for it himself ? — A. Yes. - _ j- . Q Do you recollect any other snras of money you re- ceived from him subsequent to that respecting the car- riage ? :.^ : . - A. Only the other two sums of 8001. and 2001. Q. Were they before the carriage or afterwards ? A. Before. Q. Then are those the only three instances of your re- ceiving money from Mr. Dowler, the 2001. and 8001. and the money for the cafiiage ? A. I cannot speak to any exact sum, bat I think he has once or twice paid something for me to my housekeeper; when she has told him something that was distressing, he has given her money to pay foi things, when His lloyal Highness was not in the way ; it has not come to my knowledge sometimes for a week afterwards ; but those -were marked things, the other incidental things. Q. Was Mr. Dowier in the habit of seeing you very frequently ? A. Not •( 23-6 ) A. Not T«*ry frc^sntly.'bnt -when he had lodgings iti Londou ; about the lime of Colonel French's levy he Q. Did you src Mr. Dowler af(er he came from exarninaJioi) at t)ii3 I)ar, (he last night of examination ? u4. Not the last time he was examined, but befAre.- Q. Upon his rearing from the bar ? ^. ^Ncver siticc. Q. After his first examination here ? ji. Yes. I did. Q. Did any thing pass between you and Mr. Dowler respecting his examination, when he returned ? A. Certainly not about money concerns ; he only men- tioned to some Gentlemen who were present the conduct of one or two of i^fe Members, who he thought harassed him Tcry much, and put questions very distressing to his feelings on private occurrence-j,tljat had nothing to do with the question pending; it was a Mr. Bootle he was speak- ing of; that he would would rather give (I think his ex- pression was) every guinea he was worth, than be brought before fuch a place again. Q, Did he state what he had been examined to ? A. He said he had been examined chjsely to liis private . concents, he did not spcik of any thing else ; it uas not to me, ':it vw^$ to this. Gentleman, a stranger, one of tht Members* .1 ^ - :- -^ '. • „ . Q. Did vou ask him what he had been e_xaminea ioy or . make any observations as to whaliiad passed ? -.-^ ., ■..- A. 1 asked him wlio had examined him. , /■ il^ l^t not vrt»at he; had been i:xauiined to ^-^Ai'^o, Lord Folkstone-^Q,. How long have you been acquaint* ed with the Duke of York? A, PbtftfWY^ it w^g 1803 when he first took meander his.prot«ctkicit 'r. - ' ■ . • >':'V .Q* Were yon a/zqaain^ed with the Duke of York be^- fore'that period ? > - '> - - :"■ r -:•••'. . - ' • oi^i . Ai Yes, I was^ • ■ .. • •• - •'-- - . ^ ■ ' -., ; ^ '^■ Q. At that period he took y^n more-immciliafely nnd«r his protection ; had you an establishment from that time ? J. No, I think it was frora 1S04 to 180&, that the establish- ( 237 ) fllablllhment commenced only in Glonceftcr Piacc j \vc were in Park liane l^efore, in :t iurniihcd lioufe. Q. Had you any ellablilhment of lurries and caniagcs in Park Lane? A. Only what belonged to myfclf. Q. Wliat number of carriages had you when you lived in GP uceiier Place? A. I always had two. Q. \^'hat number of horfes ? A. About fix; iVmetimes eight. Q. ^^'hat number of men lervants ? A. I do not know, without I went oyer it, Q. State the fervantsyou had ? A, Tiiere was butler, coachraan, poftillion, groom, moftly a man cook, a gardener, and two footmen j from Ivven to nine, I do not know exa6tly. Q. To whom did the houfe in which you lived belong? yi. To the Duke. ■ ,Q- Who paid the expences of the eftablifliment ? A. I did. Q. What allowance did you receive from the Duke of York for that purpofe ? A. His Royal Highnefs promifed me one thoufand pounds to be paid monthly, but fometimes be could not make the payments good, which was the cccafion of many diltreffing circumftances happening. Q. Was it on the bare promife of one thoufand pounds a year, that you mounted fuch «n eftabl fhmcnt as you have mentioned, and with the expedation of oo other means of defraying rt ? A. His Royal Highnefs did not tell me what he would give me till I was in it. Q. When was it that his Royal Highnefs promifed^you one th«;ufand pounds a year? A. He began it by paying it to me. Q, How long did he continue to pay it regularly? A. Till almoll the whole time that w»- were together in it) for three months before his Roval Highnefs ief\ me, he never gave a guinea, though he was -with me every dtiy, Q. How were the monthly payments made ; by his Royal Highnefs's own hand, or by wiiat other means ? A. His ( 238 ) A. Ills Royal HIgbneA wiflied mc- to receive it from Oreenwooti : but I would not Tubje^'t n^yielf to that, iil» though it would have been more punciuaiiy paid. Q. liow did you receive it ? A. From his Hoyal Kighnets. Q. Did you ever receive more than at the rate of a thou- fanda-year from Irs Royal Highnefs ? yl. His Royal Highnefs, if any thing unpleafant had ha[)penedj which was always happening, w ju!d fome- times contrive to get a liiilemore, and bring me. Q,, Do you know Vv'hat is the total amount of the fums you received from his Royal llig.liner3, during tiie time you lived in Criouceiler place ? A. Certainly not. Q. Were the fums you received from his Royal High- nefs adequate to the payment of \he expcnces of the clta- blilhment you kept up ? A. 1 convinced his Royat Highnefs that it did not more than pay the fervants wages and their liveries. \ Q, Did you ftate that to his Royal Highnefs ? A. Many times. Q. What obfervatlon did he make in confeqnence ? A, I do not know that he made any obfcrvation on that ,• but after wehad been inlimaie fome lime, he told me^ that if I wasclfver, I lliould never alk him for money, Q, Do yoa rsmembef at what period' it w^ that bis^ EoyalHi^hneiB made that obfervat' on .^ . A* No, I do not 5, but it was whun he had gr«at con- fidence in me, -C Wai it before you. removed to Gloucefler Place } A' Not til( fome time after. Q.. Can you al-all ftate what was the amount of the an^ nual ex pence of your cftabliihment ? A. No. Q. .Pretty nearly? / . 'A, Not the lead; I cannot give a guefs. . - • Q. -You Hated in a former part-of your examinatiop^ that you were going to Weybridg-e^ had you a houlii ai Weybridge : - '. A. Yes, . . C?.Wa. ( "^39 ) <^l. Vs'-AS ihnt y.'ur houle or the Duke of Yi^-k"o ' J. J I was the Duke's. Q. Had vou a icputaie cftablirhinent there, or did ths eftnblilhment move iVoin Glouceltrr Place to \N eybridge, and from Weybridge to (ilouccfter Place r A. There was a groom there and a garde n-er, and two maixls ; the remainder of the fervanis waited on me when I went ; I was never there but from Saturdays till Mondays, and I always took four more fervants with me, fometinies live. Q. Did the funis of money you received in the month! v payments, and by occafional payments from the Duke of York, nearly cover the expenee of your eftablilhment ? A, I'i it had, I fhould never have been harraffed for money as 1 was during ihe whole time 1 was under his Uoval Highnefs's proLeCfion. Q. Do you know a peribn of the name of William ^ Withers ? ^ a: Yes, I do. Q. What is he ? A. He is a Sherit^^s Officer. Q_. How came you acquainted with him \ A. He had ibme bulinefs with me in bis own way. Q. Was it in confequence of your pecuniary diftrefies, that vou bq;tame acquamted with William Withers ? ' A. No one would ever-know a man of that defcription, but through that very tiling. Q. Did you ever enter into an agreement with Wil'iam Withers, for participation in auy fums of money which you might receive ? ' A. Never, nor ever hinted at fuch a thing. Q. Do you recolle6t the firft time you ever made appli- cation to the Duke of York for any thing connefted with Army Promotions ? A, No, I do not; it was after I was in Glouccfter Place. Q. Were the applications you had to exert your in- fluence with the Duke of York, numerous ? A. Very, Q, W^re ( 240 ) Q. Were thofe applications univcrfally attended lo b/ vou ? A. Not always by me ; if T thought they were not cor- rtcXj nor proper to rect mmend, 1 mentioned it lo his Iloyal Highnefs, and he tcid ine who were proper nnd who weie not, and then I couhl give my anfwer the next day, as from rnyfelf, whether I could liften to any thing or not; if they were improper, he told me to fay I could not interfere, without faying that I had mentioned the matttr to him. Q. Did you uniformly inform the Duke of York of every aj")plication you had received? A» Yes, and hundreds had been reje6ted but through his means, for I did not know who were proper or who were not. Q. When you have received applications, did you en- tirely truft to your memory, or did you record them, on paper ? A. If it was a ^ngle application, I trufled to memory arid his Royal Highnefs, who has a very good one ; but if there wcie^^many, I gave him a paper, not in my own writing. Q. Gave him what paper ? A. Any paj er that had been handed to me. Q. Do you mean a lift of the applications ? A. I recolkft once a lift, a very long one, but only once. Q Do you recollect how m any names were upon that lift? A. No, I do not. ' ^Q. Do you recollec't when that lift was exifting ? '.'^A. No, I do not ; but I kn )W tliat that muft have been a little time beto!e Col jnel Tucker, who is lately dead, was made Major Tucker ; there were two brothers of them. ■ Q. For what. rea;on do you know that it muft have lieen befpre Colonel Tucker was created a Major ? A. His Royal H-ghnefshad proraifed that he flioold be in. the Satuiday's Gazette, and one day, coming to din- ner, a few days befoe, he told me Tucker had behaved .very ill, for that Greenwood bad him, and to inquire into . ii. ( ^41 ) i\\ fur th.ii lie haJ conv.» to play with me, and perhaps I© ni'akii a talk ; that lie was no lerioiifi in the bufiiiers. 1 inqir.red into it, and tjuiid it was lb j and ins l^oyal liighnel":, faid, that Si:" 1 )avid B lird had rc(:onii«ended Iniii. Tlut was tlie an'wcr that Greenwood gave to it. But vhen I gave his Royal H^ghnels that lilt^ that is, w.ien he took It, with the numbt-fof names upon it, he aikcd nie what 1 meant by itj if I wanted thofc men pto;noted; and if I knew any of them or not, and who recommended than r I told hinj, I did noi know any one, and that what I meant by it, being in his way, was tor him to n )- tice them, lie laid that he \\\.\i d do it j that there were a great number o!' names, and that .f I knew any thing at cll of military bufinefsj 1 nuift know it was totally nn- "j)ofIib!e for him to do it all at oncii, but that lie would do it by degrees J thiit everyone ihould be noticed by degrees : and among thofe was Captain Tucker. Q. Js tiiat lift in exilL-nce now ? A. No, his Royai Highncfs took it away with him that morning 5 and, froiw that mv)ment, I knew in what way I might have his fanCti'jn to go on. I faw it forne tuue after in his private pocket-book. Q, Is tliat the only lift that was ever made out by you ? A. I did not make it our, f )me one gave it me ; that was the longell iirt, and the on'y lilt that J recollect j I never gave hm any other lift, lam furc. Tlicrc might have been two names down. Q. Were you in the habit of making out a lift to refresh y -urown memory r A. No J their friends always took care of that. U. Do you mean, th^t you ufed to receive the nunes of the applicants in writing: A. I have had letters, hundreds upon huncireds. Q. What do y^ju mean by dating, that their friends • took care of that, in your laft anlwer but one ? A. They expected the thing fhould be done immediately, and ufed to teafe me with letters. Q. Do you recoiled any Dther names, exce{>t that of Captain Tucker, in the lilt yon haA'e relcrred to ? A. 1 believe fo, but I woiild not mciUiofl the name of No. VII. X $n)r ( 2-i'l ' any man who had behaved well to tjie, on any account . His lioyal Highiiefs did not proinore the whole of that lift. Q, Your acquaintance with William Withers, y(n\ linve ftated_, was owing to fome pecuniary embarraflments of yours 3 in what way were tliol'e tmbarrniTments iatisfied ? A. I gave him two bills cm my Mother for three hun- dred pounds each, and that latished thofc things j I never gave him any thing;, nor fj^cjke to him oq any thing re- lating to military butiiieis. Hoyiourahh Mr. Yorke. Q. Do you recoUecfl from whom ^-ou received the lift you have fpoken of ? J. I think, from Captain San don or Tvlr. Donovan ; but JNIr. Donovan is cjuite prepared to deny it. Q. Canyoii l^at; rohtiveiy whether you received it from Captain Sandon or ^Ir. Djnovan ? j'l. X'o, I cannot, they were connecled in fome way or ether tooether. J\lr. Fuller. Q. Have any queftions been read to yon by any individual whatever, a^ fuch queftioiis as would be iisked you in this liouie ? A. No, never. ib'iV G. Warrerdtr. Q. You have mentiop.cd having re- ceived various fums of money from Mr. Dovvler, and in j^arncular two fums of two hundred pounds and eight hun- dred poundii j fiatc npon what confideratioy thofe fums were received ? A. h was for Mr. D^wler's Aippo'ntment, but previous to that he was not to fiave paid me money. Q, To what Ajpoin;mentdo you allude ? 'A.. In the. Commilfariat ; Alliftant CommilTary. Q.* Whom did you apply to for that Ajpointmeut for ?>Ir. Dowler ? A, His Royal Highnefs. Q. From wlujra was it notified to you, that that Appoint- ment had been made ? A. His Royal Highnefs ; he told n:e that he had fpoken t-o Mr. Charles l-or,g upon it, and it \\ as fetiltd at laft 3 that there had been fome little ditference in the Prince's reg-»- ment, that Mr. Manby was obliged to leave it, and his Pio.ya[ Eiighnefs promif d to the Prince of Wales to give Ibmcihin'j; ( 2-13 5 i'onie'vhinj to ^Inuby, and to fccm vcvy civil io liiiii, iic mull gnzette him bf'on-; Mr. Dow lei- j but before Mr. J^owle* pioiJofed to give liijii liic moiioy f >r llic: Af.iiation, I fancy he was to have procnred fomc votes for the lJ<^- lence Bill j I tiiink it was ioniething likj that name 3 Mr. J'iit was very ill ;\i th.c time, ami I think it was fomclhiiig oi" that f rt inenti )iied J however, IVIr. I3owler could not I ring forwaid the numbirr of voters that 1 had given the lilt of to tlie J^'iike, leventCL-n I thiuk, and there were very te%y of theni came 3 but I rccplieft one gentleman, Gen-.ral Clayerlng, got u;), irom Scoilarid, Lord John C'ami.bell; and altlouii'i .Lord I.orn would have voted v.-.'th Mr. Put, and (-f c urfj his brotlier would have gone t;:e lame way, (lut-Jbe was njt in London) flill it was • confi.Mred ihr.t it wa.? a great favour 'ringing up Lord jL>hn "from Sc .tland ; he wai the on'y man that I rccolUft, and th:i!: was ih.i.ugh my. ^iiicans; i h:.d a few more friends , bcfides, but it dropped. Mr. Dowltr could not bring the men forwards, f. mj of .them were in theOppofitipn. His Eoyal Highness told^ me he gave the lift to Mr. Charles Long, and he was.deliglr.ed with it. Q^ You -have ufed an expreflion relative to Captain Tucker, that Greenwood Lad him 3 explain what you .meant by that exprefiion ? A.I do not kuow. I never enquired further into it; I was^-e-y angry that the man lliould be-only laughing with m.^j it was liis Royal Highnefs's exprefiion, not mine ; bur 1 am almofi certain that Cajitain Sandon knows him, and about it, though p.-rhapshe will not own to it. Lord Fclk/icmt\ Q. Were you in the habit of fhewing to the Duke of York the letters vvliich coatidned the applir cations to you for inlluenee ? A. Yes, 1 was 3 but I d!d not ttouble him with all^ not many, upon the fa i:e fubjec^ ; if a man wrote ( ne letter f.rlt, J might flievv him that, but if he wrote me ten more, I Plight not trouble his Royal Higlmefs with thofe : ihes'- frequently ufed to call, and wait ibr anfwers while his Royal H ghnefs was there, thou^if ih^y did not pretend to know he wiis there.- • Q.. Then it' ihoiV let:e;s contained an cfTer of money to X2 -^oa - ■ ( -'-i-M ) Tou for the exertion of your influence, his Koyal H'gSn'jTs in\v6t have been aware i.f it ? ^4. He was awj\rc ©f ever;- thing that I did, but I never w;»s\very indelicate with him upon thofe points. Q. i3Id you (hew to his Rcyal Hiehnti's letters con- 'tniningTuch offers, as well as letters that did jjot contain thern ? ^i. Yes, Idid. ' ^'tr Jarru's Hall. Q. On the firlt day of your examina- tion, you ftated, that a bill of two hundred })ounds, which, y u received t"rom!Mr. Knighr, Avas fent from your houfe t > be changed by a fervant of his liayrd High nets j how do you know it was taken by a fervant of his Koyal Highnefs,: - iU)d not one of }X)ur own fervants ? A. I believe that I did sot fhre that it was his RoyaL.-^ Viighnefs's fervant who took it, but that his Royal High-. .. rets had fomething to do with the changing that notcjTJ . -Aodoi) Saturday or Monday morn:Dgj I do not recolleft ^ihidh itvyas, when it was raining very hard, I believe it.'„ ^-as Mohday/T iica:d where my bull tr lived, and I went inio York-place, and fent my footman to fetch him out; be came out, wi^-hout previous knowledge of who called iipoh hlm> and I asked whether he recolle(^led any thing ' -particular tbe^pening-that his Koyal Highaefs was going to "Weymoulli, and niyfelfin the morning to Worthing j^^ he asked me to what poiut, I faid about a bank note y he. faid, Pcrfe^ly well ; he had been trying ni! over the neigh- bourhood to get change for a not<^ that it was a s^pjy large Bote, helupjiofed a tifiy i oand note, liiat he came. into tlie parlour xind faid he could not get change for i% and t' ea his RoynlHiglmrls faid, " Do go to n;y wine merchant's; inEond Ilreet, Stephens's Hotel, and get change, and te.l them where yoii come from 3" that on th's f me night he had called at Byfields, the c> nfc6tionerN, and tried there, and they could not d) it j and that he went and law S:epheu>'s partner J it being very late Stephens wns not '" there, 'thnt h.e got change f r it there, and that was the "vt'hole. But I told liiiu lie muft come and (peak abou]: if, that a fummons would be fent to him, and wo;. Id it hurt him with refpedt to his mailer and milircls, his l:eing ex- aauned ; ( 245 ) amined ; aiul lie told mp they woukl not be aiigiy, he Tup- poled, f« >r It was Jady Wintcrton's Ton he lived with, and lie lujipofeJ Lady Wlnlerton would 11^)1 \ye againll it. 1 fpoke to him the otlur night in the room, 1 do not know whether before he v%'n3 examined or afterwards, and he* told me that he had called at Stephens's in Bond-ftrecc, and that tiiev would not frivc him anv information about the note, which I believe he did not llate in the Hoafe. Here, upon the fiiggedion of Mr. Wardle, the witnefs was defired to withdraw. Mr. Wardle then rofe and ftated to the Com- mittee, that, juft before he came down to the Houfe,. Pierfon, Mrs. Clarke's butler, in Gloucefter Place, had called upon him and told him, that fince his ex»- amination he recoUecSled having taken out a Note to be changed the night before the Duke of York went out of town, by the direction ot the Duke ot York and Mrs. Clarke, which direction was given him in the drawing-room. He afked Pierfon why he had not ftated this at the bar. The reply was, that he was fubjeft to dreadful head-achs, and that when he was at the bar, he was labouring under one of them, by which liis memory was much impaired at the timt. He then put a queftion to Pierfon, who fpoke of having changed the note at fome Wine Merchant's in Bond Street. He mentioned this fnbjecl to the Committee, becaufe he felt himfelf placed in a delicate fituation, with refpe6t to it, and he wa^ anxious that Pierfon ihould be called to the bar, in the courfe of the proceedings, and re-exa- mined. Mrs. Clarke was then ' again called in, • and her examination continued. • -*--' Q,. You have flated that you recommenced Mr. Dowler ( ^-16 ) to his Royal Highnefs the Duke of York; In what charac- ter did you reprefent him to the Dnke tf York ? A. As a gentleman, Q. Did you reprelent him as a fiiend or relation of your own ? -'). Never as a relation, 3s a friend. Q. In recommending l,iin to the Duke of York, did yon mention that you were to liave any, and \vh?.t fam, in calt; he was appointed to thj Conunilla: iat r A. His Royal Highn>.fs knew that I was to have a Turn, for 1 told him that old Mr. Dowler iiad come up to fell it out of the funds. Q. Did you communicafo, at the time, to the Duke of \ ork, that vou were to r(cieve anv, and what fnm ? A. I cannot exactly !ay to that ; but 1 told his Royal Highnefs^ that he would behave more liberally to me tiian any other perfon for the fame appointment. Q. Are you quite fure « f that ? A. Quite. ' ^. Did you ever hear JVIr. Dowler fay that he was ac>- cjuainted with Sir Brook \'^ atfon, the C ommiif^iry General ? A. No further than that bw. knew him perfonal'.y, or in the city 3 and I told h"s Royal Highnefs of it, that Mr. Dowler knew a little cf Sir Krook \Vatron, and he faid, that is a very good thing ; but 1 believe Sir Brook Watf^n is dead j and I cannot make ufe of the expieffion that his Royal Highnefs then did about him. Q, Are you quite fure that Mr. DowlJt did not reprefent t^ you, that he or his l*"athcv had fouie interclt with Sir >irook Watfon? A. No, he never tfOd w.e that he had particularly , lie to'd me that Sir Brook W atfon did not Jike him, for his Father's way^ of vptiji^,. if I recollect fight ; I rncan the city voting. Alt, Lockhart.'^Q. Did you eyer receive a Viil of names for promotion from any other perfon than Captain Huxley Sandon and Mr. Donovan .^ ■ :..>.--.i... . ' . J^. 1 never received fuch a long lift from any one, nor jiich a Uft 3 I never icctived raore than two or three names ; ihls ( 21- ) this I hnd frr two or three dnys ; it was pinned uo at tlitr licacl of my bed, and his Koval Highnrfs took it down. Q. ir yon rccciycd any \\i\ con tain in^r two or thice names, from whom did you receive fnch 111^ ? u4. Il will be fcen, by the witnefles that have ahead/ ])een examined, that there were a irreat many Torts of agents or peoj^le that ufed lo come and aflv me ihinf;^ about tiiem, and I cannot recollp(f^ ; and 7 believe I got into very bad hands, (^r it would never iiave been expoled as it is now. Q. Cannot you recollect the name of any one pcrfon who gave you a lilt ? A. I iiave mentioned the name of Captain Sandon and Mr, Donovan ; and there was a lady with Mr. Donovan the other night, in the r.oom, which brought runny thing'r TO my recollection, perhaps llie ^can I'peak to ibmeth^ng; Ihe is an Officer's widow, and, 1 believe, quite in the ha- bit of military intrigue. Q. Uid you ever circulate a lift of Prices of Ccm mil- lions ? • A. No,T never did,' that did notbllong to me, J never did it ; I have feen fuch a thing, 1 faw it in CobLet, but it is not true. Q. What is the name of -the lady you hayc juft men- tioned, the otficer's widow ? A. She was with Mr. Donnyaii the other night ; I ufed toiiee her very frequently ; I have n^t feen her thele three yea's ; I do not recoUeCt her name at prefcnt, I .Ihall think of it prefently, ihe is an Iri(h lady. I haye rece ved a letter this inftanr, which has-exeeedingly interefted me, begging me that I would not go on, or to that effer^t -, but I would wifh the Gentlemen h£re to afk Colonel INI'Mahon, that my charafter may not appear, fo very black as it does at prefcnt J 1 vvculd wi!h tiie houfe io inquire of Colonel •Mac Mahon, if he thought I m^de any improper propofi- tions, orzny thing unjuft, ,to the Duke ofYork. I wifh them to ask o^iiy of Colonel Mac Mahon, what were my propofitions to the Duke of York, and to inquire ir.-to all the particulars refpecting the meffage of which he was the bearer^ 1 am exceedingly ^xry to expofe him"fo, but here ( 248 ) here I have this Infbint received a letter, In which my feeHngs are greatly interelted, begging of me not rogoon. Sir James Grahatn. Q. Have you any objection to de- liver in the letter you have received ? A. 1 have received one before ; I will, perhaps, in a tew days, but not tj night ; I have hardly read it over. [The Chairman informed the Witnefs, that it was the pleafure of the Committee that Ihe fliould produce the letter (lie had juft re- ceived.] Q. When did you receive tlwt letter, where did yoa re- ceive it, and from whom ? A. i received it at this door. Q. On the outlide of the door ? A. This inftiint, when I went out. Q. From whom r A. 1 believe one of the ^Meffengers.- [The Witnefs delivered in the letter, and it was read.] " \Ve(lminft*T Hall, . Thurfday Ni--bi, " Madam, Eight o'clock." ** tarn mo:i anxioufly defiroiis to fee you to-night. •' The latenefs ot the iiour will be no difficulty with mr. ** It 15 I truft quite unnecofTciTy to obiorvi.-, that buruicfs alone is my reafon for expreliitig by this ibiiciiude in fo earnclt a way ; or that if ycu think a more unreferved communication .mij^ht take place at Woil- bourne Place, 1 would be thereat-your own. hour to-uight. " To what tliU particularly rt-tlrs you may have fome guefs, but it would be highly improppr to gbnce at it upon paper. *' I will deliver this lo one of the Meflengers, who will convey to me youranfwer; or if jruur feelings at all accord wirh mine, you will not perhaps think it too mvich trouble ta write two notes, one to the car*; ©4" the Mefftnger who delivers this, .the other addrefled for me at the Jtxchecjvier Coffee-Houfe, Weflminfter-Hall. — Believe me, . " Madam, - •' . " Msft (rncerely your Friend; ■I-.*'--' -3.' .;. '' }Vf7hWilUams.» ( --^1) ) •' P S.I h.iVf trJrd two r ilirrc Member-; U) clfl,vcr tlli^, but th^y crc :ifra:d fnme uijurious fulpicion nn>j!ii atiacli. *' I hope you \\a\ not ui;ribuie iny hauy nuim t lo M?2'"g*nce or dU- refneifl.'' Q. Is ihis ilic letter tli.it fo much inrcreftcd you ? A. Yes, it is. Q. Is this the letter tliat d^rfircd you not to 50 on ? jf. In my opinion it is, from what occurreil y^rterclaj. Q. Whnt do you allude to as having occurred yelterdny ? A. A letter came to me yelterday tVom the fame Gen- tleman, and I C(Hild not exsj^'tiy make out what it was or what he meant by it ; he faid he had (ten me at the play one night, in company with Lord Lennox and Sir liobert Tcatc, about two months lincc, and that he took the liberty of addrcding a letter to jwe to grant hini an inie; view ; I fent down my fervant to fay I was at home to him j this was the Gentleman whom I alluded to as being the only one I hadfecn fince 1 quitted this place. When he came into the drawing r^.om yefterday, he asked me whether there was any one in the baek room ; I faid upon my word and hononr not; but I told him as my character now feemed fo much hacked abolit with ev\;ry one, I would open the donr and convince him, which 1 did ; he then began to queftion me how 1 felt towards the Duke of - York, if I had any revenge, or if I had anv wifhes that His Uoyal Highnefs had not fatisfied, and if any- thing wou'd induce ir.e now to abandon the country with jny cliild en, and take all the blame on my own fhoulder ; ihat no fum whatever wou'd be backward if I would lay that 1 would, as my chai':;6ter now had bacn fo ver^*, much With the public, it could net be vvorfe if I would tak? it up ni mvfelf and abando:i my country with my children, and I ll ould be povided f< r for life in the handfomeft manner polfible; that he had no authority from the Duke of 'ii ork, but it was the Duke's ir ends. [The Witncfs was directed to withdraw. ,' Mr. Da A NO. '^ I entreat the pardon of the Com- mittee for this interruption — [Here the witnefs with- drew] drew"! — but T beg- to prefs upon their attention tbe urgent neccirityof not Joling one moment in fecuring the attendance at the bar of the . writer of this letter." Upon the univerfal approbation which this fug- geftion received the Chancellor of the Exchk- ttUER. faid, '* When tiifl this letter was read, it was my intention to have moved that the perfo^i — [Here the cry of *' J^Jo've ! move ! — Lock the doors I — Let nobody out ! — Bar ! Bar ! — became so loud and general, that it w^s impofliblt? for the Right Honourable Gentleman to proceed.] The Houfe immediately refumed. -The SpKAKhUR then ftatcd, that according to the Tegular mode of proceeding it was competent to the Houfe to order the Serjeant at Arms to take any man into cuflody, -whether within or without the Houfe [The Right Honourable Gentleman was proceed- -ing, when the Serjeant at Arms appeared at ti>e . . . Bar, and announced that Mr. Williams was in- cuftody.] [The Chairman v/as dire^^ed to report progrefs, and^afk leave to in again. After a fhort time T 'the Committee was again refumed. * - • • Mr. WILLIAM WILLIAMS was brought in, in the Cuftody of the Serjeant at Arms. Chancellor of the Exchcqu:.--. Q. Is that^your hand writing ? ^ J. This is my handwriting, aiKl I delivered that letter myfelf to the Door keeper. . Q. Will you inform the Committee wiio mid what you nrer.- - vr •-:. r(. T am a Clergyman. - Q. Where do you livp ? ' • ' . A* Am I bound lo anfwer that quclUoa. : ' [Tlie ( 251 ) [The Chairman informed the Witncfs he muft anluer the qucllion.] I linvc r.inie pcrfonal rcnfons for not doIn(::;f)3 reafons applicable lo me peilbnally, to my priyate attairi. [The Chairman informed the Witnefs he was bound to anlwer the quefiion.] My place of refidei>ce is now.nt Xo. 17, Somers Place Eail, ill the New Road, near Sjmcrs Town. Q. You have feen this Letter which you delivered to the Door keeper 3 of couife yon are acquamted with the contents of it r A. 1 luppofe the letter in your hand to be the fame which was put into my liand juft now; I am acquainted with it, having written it witltin this hour.* Q. What was the bufinefs on whicli you wiflied to fee Mrs. Clarke r A. 1 had bufinefs with her; I ana fure I do not know how decoruuily to anfwer this quellion, but it has no re- fprence to the examination now going on-^bafore this Iloufe. ■ Q. ^'^'e^e yon at Mrs. Clark's honfe ycfterday ? A. Not )'erterday, ihe day before. Q. What pafi'ed upon that occafion ? A. The whole is not exacUy in my recolleclion 3 I Re- lieve I was near an hour there. Q. S;ate as much as you can of what paOTcd upon thit occalion ? • . - A. I am taken fomewhat by furpriCe, but I will, as nearly lean recollect; it had fome general rcfeience to the tranfaction that is now. inveftigating before this Houfe. Q. State the fubftance of it ? A. She aiked me if I had feen the Newfpaper ; I re- plied in the negative ; flie then related to me part of what 1 have fincefeen in the NewTpapers, tldat flie was fatigued after many hours waiting here; 1 believe that was the fub/tauce of what fhe related. Q, Are ( 252 ) p. Are vou certain ibat it was the dav before vefterdav you had tiiiscommunicati jti r A. It was the morning atler flie was examined here; if I anfwer the queftion confufcdly, 1 hope you will not be furprifed at it, for I am a little furprifed at finding myfelf liere^ this is the fubllance as far as related to any thing elfe' that had reference to our acquaintance : I mentioned fome perfons that we we:e iicq-.ia nted with, and as to their health, and matters, not, I th'::k, worth relating to the Huufe ; it" you with 1 v. ill icfrelh my memory, and llatc the minutias. Q. Did you ftate any tiling to Mus. Clarke as to the courfe of the exanTinaiion hereafter to be purfaed upjn thisbulinefs ? yl. I do not recollc. Clarke any advicie as to what Hie had befl do upon this fQbie('t r -'i. I fpoke, I believe, fomething to th"s effe^l", that it would be well and pm^ er for her to be caiUioui* Q, Was that all ? A. I believe I«added, what everybody is aware of, the high connexions of the Perfonage whole eondurt is now under your inveftigation, and that of courfe I reiterated wliat I had faid before, that caution, 1 tluught, would very much became her. Q. Did you ady.feMrs. Clarke to get out of the way ? A 1 never did.* Q. You are qu'te certain that you did not give her any adyice of that fort r A, I did not Q. Did you reprefent, that you came from any of the friends of the Duke of '^ ork ? A. I did no% I fpoke ambiguoufly, but I did not giv« her any fuch intimation whatever. Q. What doyoumian by faying you fpoke ambiguoufly? A. I fpoke the fentinients of my own mind and my own cogitations upon that fubjert, not having any intimation from any individual in the world. Q. For what purpofe did you goto Mrs. Clarke upon that day ; A. I ( --53 ) .A. I fuppofe 1 mny be nil )\veerlbnal leTenlment'as well as the ;n(Hgnation of his fimily ; ami that whatever promifes might be held out to her would i;robably iiot', i-n'the event, be found- fufficient ro protecJ^Vher from- the refentmcnt that they probably might conceive it "was right at fome time to' exercife upon her: I fuppole I have fa id enough to con- vey to the Houle my fcntiments ; and to expert of me mi-- nutely to detail all tliat pallecl in that converfation, would be, 1 think, an unrenfonable ekpe(^l:5t!or^.•■' ' ^ Q., Did.you advife M/s. Clarke to go. out of the King- dom with her childrea:?.::^ -.. ..:'.. A. I did not. - a fuggcftion oi myown mind. Q,. Had yr>n been acquainted with IVks. Clarke bof^^e ? - A. Very liUie. . ■ ; . . ;{^v Hoy,' lon<^ hadyou been acq ualn ted with her? . j1 , Preci (e 1 y 1 ca n a( ; t 'fay f .pj? rh a p s .t wo m oa t ii s . , Q. -Whexe had yon feen hec before ? ^A. At theiOpera-Fioufc. b-;;- ,y-.'j-. •< ;, t^. Had ^ you feen her anywhere clfe but at the Opera Ho\xih:~r-A. No/- j.-- :-- ■ ...'.■ : . Q. lisA you any converfatioa with her at th 2 Opera Iloufe f~//.: Kf).-:- .: . o.. '. :: ^i;. ■ ' ■ .. (^. -Were you.introdaced tio her :t]icre?r. \A. I inighi be faid to behnrod/uoed^ it wai xaiher ca- :Xo, VIII, ~ .Y fualc ( ^54 ) •/ual J it was in the prefence of perfons known to us botli. Q, How long ago was this ? .j4. About two months ago. Q. Who were the pcrfoiis prefent ? A. Lord Lennox and Sir Robert Ptate. I beg leave lo add, that I had not been direded or inlhucbd, orre- quefted to addrefs Mrs. Clarke, on tliisor any ctiier iiib* jerfl, by any perfon whatever ; and after mentioning the names of thofe two Gentlemen, I think it very hard they fliould be implicated ia this which has taken me by :furprife. . , Q. What led you to come here this afternoon ? A, I was extremely anxious to fee Mrs. Clarke^ Q. For what purpofe ? A. If 1 am pofitively bound to anfwer that queflion at the peril of imprifonment, of courfe it muft be an- fwered ; to whom am I to ^ddrels myfelf for an aniwcr to .that quefiioa. . ..v /.i- . ^ [The Chairman informed the WitneCs^ that It was the pleafure of the Conraiittee that the queflion fliould be anfwered.] Myreafon was, to attempt, if I could, to perfnade her from that ironical, farcaftic, witty animadrcrlion that fometimes had fallen from her, with reference to thcvPer- fon that 1 before alluded to. Q. Was that tii«q)3}e6t with which you wrote this letter? yj. That was one of tile objeds. J{). What other object hod you ? A. I will anfwer particularly afterwards; generally, I will fay it was with a view that was by no means adverfe to the Perfon whofc condu6i is now under rnveftrgation, i)Ut jull oii the centrary ; a:id therefore 1 am more far- prifcd at the harHi manner in which Miavebeen treated,' Q. State what your other obje(5l was in writing this letter to Mrs. Clarke? .. -• ^ > A. 1 thought that if I, had an opportunity of feeing her before the appoinimeuL that 1 had to->norrow mornia^ wUli an agent of his Royal iligbncfi, that probabiy^I anight ( 2o5 ) might fuggcll to her foraething to prevent thofc tlur.c'- that did not ferve to elucidate the inveftigation now pm.^ on, but to excite ti)e inveteracy, of thofc Pe^'fonages t',> whom 1 before alluded. 5^; Wlv) is that Agent ? •' ' 'j/i-Mr. Lowten. ' ' "^. Who madathe-appolntnrent whh yoti ? -'y<.'iB)r agreement, I addreffcd Mr. Lowten firfl, and af- Perwtirds the aj)pointmeHi was made. '* ."■Xf. For what purpofe d'idyon addrefs M r. Lnwten ? ' jd. For the purpofe 1 have given to the Floufe before. Q. Did you apply to Mr.' Lowten by writing, or addref? him vcrbaFly ? - J. 1 had Tpokento two ©r three M«mbcrrs bf'tbis Ho.ti e upon this fubjetft. ■ " '' Q.. Nametheni? ' "- '' ''' ' ' -.^14, ^Mr^ Ailarn aud.G«>)oi^el Gord'^n; rh(« other wn^rrd it entirely, I am uiiwillins to rat ni ion him j it is Cciont^r M'Mahon, if Lam Jetirpd to raention Ifim. ^ i^;,Did you fpply-to Mr. Lowien pcrfonaily or -by A. I was de^red by twoxjf AV:as.it by pcrfonal addref;* o«- by writing you made theappoimment with Mr. Lowten ? >>';.'i^ ;. ri •• -A, I befitated whether I Ihould f^eak to Mr. Lowten or not^ and when I ifpoke^to Mr> Adam I declinfed it ; but conoing here with this letter, I met Mr. Lowten, within thefe two hours, and then I addrefled-him'; •-' •- -• Q. What did you fay to Mr. Low ten? '^ -."*.• - - A^ i knew Mr. Lowten cfficiiilly, and rtb otherwife ; ^ undcriiood that he holds an olFice ; indeed I have- feen- htm in.'theexercifeof his oliice in the Court .of King's Bench. ( 256 ) Q. \\ bat dill you fay to him ? A. I told inm that 1 had ipoken to the gentlemen (I believe ttj3f, WHS. pretty near the comincncenient ot my ccnveiTiUic'ii with him) whom I have leccntly- named, I\xr. Adim r.nd Colonel Gordon ', and I told him' alfo th?.t they declined, and feemtd apprehenfiye ; ihey Teemed to think th'.-re was a delicacy and dilhculry in.it, which in- clined ihem to have nothing to do with it j they adviied me to c nimunicate to him, and when I n^et him I took tiie iil)er(.y to addrefs myfelf to him. ^ i Q, Did you tell Mr., Lowien the nature of ihe'lubjt;5t which you had to communicate to him ? : ^m/.'-'j ~. 'i ., A. \ faid (I did think I cxprefsly guar(3ed w'hat T had to fay with thisobfeivation) that I had.no melTage from Mrs. Claike, or any ccmiimnication, dire6ti)''or indiredly, ,to raake from her, Q. AVhat did you fay you had to communicate to Mr. JjQwten ? . ' , A. I faid 1 thought, as matter of opijiioD ariling but cf my own mind, that it was polTible, I do. not know laow -J exprefied it, but 1 meant to convey to prevent her goiVig into that irrelevant matter, and I believe the obferyatioh J .made was this, thfit it was im; oli.ble for any man ui an -uoreferved comraunicarion of four years,- not in fom&pe- ^icd.of that length oi lime to have faid :and done thofe things wiiich the tiovafe oi Commons had very little to'do . ~^Q. W'ns it, upon that comeionication to Mr. Lowt^ii, ,that he made an appointment with you to coimeto bim.to- piorr9w n^orning r .-..'. . ,-»-,../ A. I recoHeiSt; no other. -~^j What. di4 you teU Mr. Lo.wtcn you had to {ay to him on the fubjecl on which you were to fpeak to him to- DQorrow morning ? ' 1 .' - A, I have told .you this moment that was the iubjed I had; to fpeak upon,. . .. ,: ■.. .:'.'^.r*, ■ -^'-..I .T?/.CfJ::\ - Q. To prevent Mrs. Clarke going into irrelevant matter-? . ^. A, Certainly, that was the main object. '" • ,.-- Q. How wcic you to prevent It by going to 'Mr. Lawteat r-. x .,..-. . - ■ . . A. Certainly, ( 257 ) . A. Certainly this is a queftion I am not prepared cx- nftly to aiifwfr J I am not lure that i could prevent it at ail, and the means murt aril'eout of the circumftances. Q. What did you mean to propofe to Mr. Lowten as 4he means by wliich Mrs. Clarke's examination might be in anv deirreft altered ? -^. I am fure I do not know exaftly what I fhould have faid to Mr. Lowien to-mormw morning, but what' I fliDuld have faid to him would havearifen out of the cir- cumftances, and probably oat of the x!ommanication 1 ihould have had witli Mrs. Clarke to-night 5 and it was for that purpofe tliat I exprelfed lb anxious a wifti to fee her, as i conveyed in that Letter that is laid upon the'Table. Q. What d"d you exp-e6t Avnuld arile between Mrs. Clarke and yourfelf. to-night, which y )u expected would enable you to make a communication wiih effect to Mr. Lowten to-Yilorrow ? ' J, I do not know whether T may not be allowed to go a little into explanation, and not to anfwer fentcntionfiy aiid immediately, but in an intercourfo and friendfhip of foiii-ytars rtiucii migjhtMi^ve pafTed tliat It would be proper to fujiprefs. ... ^^ ^^' „^ . ' ■ Q;. VA^haf dlit you eVpk^ would arife between Mrs. Clarke and'yourfelf tonnight, which you expelled would enable "you to make a' communication with efiFe<5l to Mr. LowtcQ to-morrow?^ * ' *' .4; [fit is intended by thefe quefti 3ns that I Ihould — Itisimpoffible, I do not know how to anfwer the queftion-, t'Hafe not'lhe capacity, I do not underftand it. Q. What did yo\i expe(5t would a rife between Mrs. Clarice and yourfelf lo-n'ght, which you cxpe6ted would enable yen to rllike a cjm;nunication with etfc6l to Mr. Lowten to-morrow. A, I cpnfefs, ftmding here as I do," tliat if nn Inquiry' of ^his" ftflwa? going on upon my own fubjeCl:, there are many things already which have t ran In red whicli I ihonld T5'&*Ybf'i-y'^1h'ouidtranfpire, and which have hothmg tordo "with a political ^ne'ftion •' thatiithebnly'way'I can ahfwer ■ §. How was it to affect the communication with Mr. y. 3. L Avten ( 258 ) 1 owten . lo.-moriow in confequence of your feeing .Mrs, A. I didijutcenainlv intend to interfere, or-to'prevent tlieinquTy, yr,to fmother the inquiry, or to advife her to 'fupp'ieis jiny In formation that has reference to the invefti^- gallon now going on before the Houiej but I did thrnk, thai if I coLi -d periuaue her tp avoid thofe fort of witticifnis to which ] ailuded-befc^re, and ihofelort of obfervalions.— It the Gentlemen wiili me to aiifwer this queftion in fuch a way. as to prove I have bfcn guilty of a breach oi'.the privilege of this HoulV, 1 ca. not dotnnt 3 I knpw the.de- fereuc^'d,ue lothis fiouf', and am wiUmo- to treat it wjth ■proper deference. I\Jay ] take the libeity to make one more'obfervation of ihe law xjf evidence ? ' [The'Chairman infonned the Witriefs that ho ...M i-'i -'"-Was not called to the bar to make ojpfer^va- tions, but to 2:ive evidence! ,, .. .»., "Then raa^ I take "the liberty of afkirig.' wiietlier. 'r am -hoond tq .pve that fp;t of evidence that would cnniinate •mVfVffT^nd is nofthis lead ng to it r ' " .. Q.. Had you written the Letter at the time -you Yaw Mr. ■ '^jf.'No, I wrote the^. letter fubfequentj 7 5 it arofe out <)f tbex'irfveiTarioil^T^ad with him. As a matter of hu- manity I addrefs rnylJelf to the Chair, with rel'erence to the Chancellor of t!i6 Exchequer, whether, as a.Jawyeyi, 'takenfby lurprife as I am, it is right to propofe queft.Qi>s t;:^ me, that if they were anfwered would criminate uie. • '• ^. Do you T^iu^a to anfwer iliefe queftions which are put to you, under the fear that they will criminate yo.ur- ^.""No, I do not, upon my honour. '. '" " -/'" TiBJ?-.;.. . i- . ' J [The'Wiinefs was- taken fromTJar.] ^Ir". Tiri. 6Wi^ l'd ,conf;derecl, that it was incon- _firtent w\^lV tht'^jdignity of the Houfcany longer to "profeciiie the'eximiriation of fuch a witnefs. ... IVIr. 1-- V- . , ( 259 ) Mr. Kenricic tliought it necefTary to uate, for the infurniation of the Houfe, fome circuinliances which had come to his knowledge with regard to the witncfs who had juft been at the Bar. in con- fequence of fome inquiry, he learned that the letter on the table had been delivered by a Mr. Williani Wiiiiams ; that he was informed ^^r. Wiliiani^ had ,been twice tried at Weftminfter Hall and Guildhall, and had alfo been for fome time perplexing Mr. Jones the IMarfhall of the King's Bench, claiming a rela- tionfliip with him. - ' ; ; WrLLTAM ADAM, Esq. attending in his place, made the following ftatem-ent : 'Many perfons have deiired to fee me, fince the > commencement of this bDfinefs, who have not fent -any name : and I have given orders, to let nobody . in, who did not fend in their names. This gentle- man called yefterday, about live o'clock, I think, or a little after live : he fent in no name, but a gentle- man wifhed-to fee me. I defired to have the name, and I thought the name given in, was Williamfon ; :1 had feen a gentleman of the name of ^ViI^!amfon, -in the morning, a Clergyman of Sheflford, in Bed- . fordOiire, and l believed it to be the fame perfon ; I went into the hall to him, to the outer door; I found it to be a different perfon ; and this gentleman who has juft been at the bar, addrefled me, and faid he had fomething to communicate, refpecling this bufmefs that was proceeding in Parliament ; I faid I could hear nothing from him ; he feemed extremely •anxious to (late fomething ; I flopped him, and told him if he had any fads or circumftances to Itate, Mr. Lowten was employed as his Royal Highnels's So^ licitor, and he might go to hini; and defire an ap- . ^ '-.-• " - • 1 pointment; ( 26o ) pomtment ; he left the houfe ; and that was all that- palled. ■ ' ''•'J-; ^ ' JOHN M*x\IAHON, Esq. a Member of the Hoiife, attending in his" place, made the following ftatement :' ^ , . , To my extreme ailoniihmcnt, T fomid my name- alluded toby the Lady who has jnft been examined at the bar; I cannot tell for- what polfible purpofe ilie has alluded to m.e ; I have nothing to offer to this Committee^ that has the leait relevance, or can throw the fmalletl light upon any fubjecl whatever, that the Honourable Gentleman has brought before the confideration ot this Houfe. In confequence of an ananymons note that was written to. hi^ -Royal Highuefs the. Prince of Wales, pr omi fi n g very -itM- .portant communications, I did, at tlic command."Of the Prince, lightly as he treated the note, neyerthe- -lefs. call at No. U, Bedford Row, Rulf^l. jSquare, where the note was dated from. 'UponjgoJDg there, the woman who opened the door, and frocajwhom; I thought I faw much that told me fhe had put that note,, into the penny poft or the two-penny pofther- felf, I alked her the name of the Lady of theiho^fe,- ,that I wanted to fee ; fhe defired me to tell my nani^ ; X told her I couldglve her no name, but produce^tho inote, •wbiph (lie immtdiateiy remembered to ii^ve put into the twopenny poft, and faid itrwas. writt-en: iby,ber Miftrefs. 1 was then eondiided intortbe houfe, Jnto a parlour, where oertaiqly taerowere:a jgrcat.many ot tbofe moroceocouoern^, whieh ftp .has mentioned before, for there were jLen chairs I 4hink.fet round the table, from the f upper or the -dinner of the day before ; after remaining feme time, I was condu6led up fliars, where I faw the lady, whofe ( atii ) whole name I was told to be F.irquhar. Ttie iaci/ in perfect crood humour came out, and received me : and I iield the note I was pollel^ed with, as my cre- dentials, for her communicating whatever {he rnic^ht think lit to tell a tiiird perlon, nD^.prei]uIp^ lier te any coimimnication which fhe ought not to give, to me. She told me, that (lie would communicate 'no- thing to a third perlbn ; I then told her that it was impoflible I. could hold up any expectation oi an in- terview with iuch a perlon as the one to whoni that letter was addrefled, unlefs ihe gave me foiue ciue, or iome plaulible pretence for it, and that I had no idle curiolity to gratify. She then entc-ed into a converfation of fo general and fo extraordinary a na- ture, that 1 am confident this Houle would not 'for one moment entertain it, becanfe the tendency and intention of it was to make bad blood between two illa{i:rious.Brotl:ier.s, whofe afi*e<5lions could never btJ fhakerf-byjany fuch reprefentation, at leaft, I'^am •confident, that the illuftrious Perfon I have the pride and' glory to ferve and.iove, would be incapable. She. tben^ told me die wouid -(hew me letters to prove arttl tofBrftaiilifli, that, there was a. hatred on one part -to the otiier ;': I declined feeing any letters ; (he then faid;^I would: commit tho£e letters to you,' for the -peritrabof--the' illuftrious .P.erfonage.; to which- 1,- as my bounden duty and.irm convifitioh, ia:id,.if they v^d^re-lyrng at his feet, he- would fcorrn'to look atone of them. In this interview, arfirit,' I hatedthat I thought (he was a friend of Mrs. Clarke ; fhe'faid, -Certainly .fhe knew Mrs. Charkeeitremely intimately, - that there was nobody Ihe loved and regarded as: fhe did. Mrs. Clarke ; that Ihe perfe6Hy knew her. She then afked me if I knew Mrs. Clarice; I fkid'I do ^not. ^vDo you -know her, .Sir, by perfon ?*' I faid, I believed not. . '* Do you know her by charaifter?" .Yes, faid I, her fame is very celebrated ; and I have heard f ^(^2 ) heard of Mrs. CJarke, but know nothing oiher niy- ielt. She afked me tlien what -I knew; 1 faid, :it certainly was not to her advantage ; but I had heard the Duke of York had been very generous to her, and that fhe had not been very grateful on her part ; but that was only from information I bad received. She then proceeded to ftate, what i throw my fe]f-<5n the contideration of the Houfe, as it might be the- t^'^S ofpaffion, and appeared to me a diipoiltion to- gratify her revenge by repreientations that I do not think the" Houfe would for a moment permit me to expofe, when it v^ent to a tendency of making bad blood between two Brothers. Vv'e then proceeded, 1 foon after faid, *' I am fpeaking to avlrfc. Clarke herfejf :" I tnought fo, from feveral things fhe told me, that I wifh notto repeats I faid,.*' 1 Am con- • fadcnt I am addreiiing myfelf to Mrs. Clarke herfelf:** She laughed, and faid, *' i am Mrs. Clarke.'* I then begged her a thoufand pardons for the portrait i bad ke of York, and telling his Royal Highnefs exa£ily what (he had itated, not pretending to vouch for its veracity in anv fhapeSvnatever. His Royal Highnefs's imme- diate and prompt anfwer to me was, her conduiSl is fo abominable, that I will hear nothing at all abcmt her. Any thing I could podibly offer after what I have -now fkid would be fuperfluous ; there is tbe coiiclufion, that is the epilogue of any thing T have to itftte; and as to any queftion. thought proper by the Honourable Gentleman, or, any circumltances he has cited or remarked upon, I am as ignorant e.s a man unborn.— With regard to the Gentlemau who has this moment been at your Bar, I. did receive a* letter, from him laft night, which I have in tny pocket, and will deliver, if it is the plealure of the Houfe, -to which I have certainly wrote him a civil •I)- . anfwer: ftnfwer : I Talcl I was obliged to him forliis atfention, but that. I had no interference in the.qiieriion befoic the HouCe, and that I never would dire£tly or iii- dire6tiy have any interference with it.- [CoIoneP M^Mahon delivered in the ktter, • and it was read.] ■•■-■-• 1 1 ' : /'•Sir, " 1 have thib moment left Mrs. Clarke, anfl I thuik there are parts cf tlie cbnv'erfation I liave had with her, any confidential friend of the Duke af York's would be I'olicitous to know. ^Mf^/ou.are of that number, you perhaps wouW choofe to fee me; or, it iK)t, re.'er mc to fome one immediately you think would. "I hope you will not attribute the hafty- manner of this confufcd ad- dress to uirentionaf want of decorum, for on the contrary, with tht fm- cereftt"fcijtiment&.of gratitude, and very great refpeC^v ' ■ ' • f • f ■' r; ■ L* '■■ "^ 3m, Sir, ; . : ■ : • ' '"** Your moft obliged, humble and obedient Seivant, -•■" ^ ■':■-' -■ ■ ■ ■ ' ' nm.Winiarns." *'.Rithcld's Hotel, near 4 o'clock, ' -' Wetinefday." " I ^:icirU6cd you was going \o ride ; I hare IheEcfore^ilirecfled the Porter, i. poliiole, to iind you." *f CoL M^xMahon." ,- ' . .», :,• . '- COLONEL GORDON was called in; and . "■ V Ex-amined by the Committee a.s follows : - ^.. Have you leen a man of the nnir.e of Williams ? A. 1 have. , , ■ • Q, Uidhe fay any thing to you upon the .fubjeCl of this Inqu ry f ,^ • _. - .A.A will, lUte to the Houfe 'cxaclly what he did fay : About four o'clock thiseveiiing 1 vi,'as'nt tiie Chancellor of the Exchequer's on bufincfs, and" on, withdrawing a fer- vant'of Mr. Perceva.'s told me thnt a Gentleman was in fdeh-a nom, anddelired to fje me. "I was lliewn into the room,^ find' 1 there hiw a perfon "whom to rny rcci>llc(5tion I never fa w" before. ■ He addrplfedmeas follows : '"Never havinii;hnd^dic hihionr, Sir, of bring innoduci-d to Colonel QoiJtj:i, A amjjot certain that Lam naw-fp^-rrking to him ; -. ". * ■ ' . arc kr y 'U r'oii)-(C'i G tJoii r" I Cnid, Si-r, that is my na.Fir*, IK' had of a convcrfaiion I had with Mr». (*Iarkc (1 think he iaid the day before yeftcrday or yeAer- day, I will not be quite certaiti about that) a:Hdl Lhiuk it Vtr}' deliraSle that \he exammation which llie is to undergo this ev.ning'lhou'd be fupprefli^d. I told him that I de- clined making any 0()mraHnication whatever, 'and, that I was iiot in the habit of making any confidential communi- ootion to the^ake cf York; but what aroie out of m^ official (ituation, ajjd my words were thefe : I recilmmcnd you. Sir, to go to Mr. Low ten, he will advife you, -and advife you W(»IK I then withdrew, for the pttrp^fe of goigg out «f"lhe room, anti it-oceurrtxj to noe I might as well aik hiia Ills name» and I acklrelled him in thefe -\?< rJs : *Pray, Sir, do n)e the favour lo giye me your name. - He befitated at that, ai*d loM me. he had told., it to JVir. Aiam. 1 'repeated my qu eft 01% I^g, Sir, to aak your ntmie i be^fa-d, Sir, my name theuJ's Williams. 1 think 1 am corre6t in what I fay. He wallied out of tbe roonu atid 1 thought it negeflary4o call Mr, Perceval, and told liim word tor word what i havq now had the honour «if re-" . .jieatiDg to the Houfe^ . . . ;. r • , ' '. . -V.. " ' .' ^.- ,. /I -*.»> ^iiJi^lJ'^Uoers wasdilreacd to witb^w. »;•.'' V ■ ** •'■*•> The Riglu Honpjurable CHARLES LONG, a vj^ Member of the, Hattfej^ atle«ding in his piacc* '.i made the follgwing Statement J ***^j- / t.«>,v,^ . ^ 1' na^'e'Deen very anxious to fay a word to tli^ Committee/in conlequence o» the raanner in whichr No. Vll'L Z - my (" 200 ) ir.y name has been mentioned by llrs-. Oarke^ ahc} have onJy been prevented doing io, in confequence of the interruption that has taken place in her exa- mination. She Itated that his Royal HighHefs tije Diike of York had mentioned to b<^r, that he. had mentioned Mr. Dowler's name to me ibr an appoint- ment in the Commilikriat, and that in coofequencc of that I had laid it fhould be fettled iiniyiediatelyi Upon that I have to Hate, that to the befl of my re- collection hi >. Royal Highnefs never mentioned th6 name of Mr. Do\A'}er to me upon any 6cca^^on what- ever, nor do 1 recolle6l having heard his name, until I faw that Gentleman at the Bar of this Houfe. The other point upon which my name was alfo alluded tO) it IS hardly necelTary, perhaps, I fliould explain ; but I have only to fay upon. that, that Mrs. Clarke has flated, that his Royal Highnefs had alfo faid tkat he had,fhewn a litl of feventeen Members of this Houfe who'vvotild vote with Mr. Pitt in cafe this appointment took place, and that I was very much (Jelighted with thft lift; if 1 had fe'en any fuch lift-, I dare fay T {liouU have been very much delighfeH with It, as it was reprefentcd that a number of Gen^' tlemen -of that iidc of the Houfe were likely to ha\ie voted' upon that qaeftion with thofe with whom I generally act; but [ have only to fay, that neithef upon that occafion,. as connected with the appoint- ment of Mr. Dowler, nor any other, did his iioyiil Highnefs ever fliew me any fuch liit., . Hi ^■^ •■' • .' ■ .Mr. C/Tfyjinc. Q. In the year IS05, wereanjr appoint- mfeut^ -m^'dc to I he Commitrariat through you, by his Koyal Highnefs 's rcc)mmendatiQn ? - - _ji. Irenember particularly the recommendatitwi ©f tlie J>Vik6'of"Yo;'k' being made throngh me to Mr. Pitt; fi^ the apfoinniicnt of Mr. Manby-to the Co!«mi'BijTiat early in the year JSCl.; his Iloyal Higlinefs the Duke of York mcaiioned 'to uie/ that great di putw prerailed amongll feveral ( '-^07 ) fevcral oCxhe Ofliccr* of the JO'h Kesimcin of tic Lirht J3ragooii^, nnd that tlu' r.'iymaltcr, Mr. Mr.nby, ^v3s \{:ty much involvL'tl iu tliulxi dllriUcs, he thou;:;l]i ; tliat all iWc Officers^ I think he fa. 4, were 3 gO'>cl d al to blame, as well as I re.G»Uecl, and chnt he wasquiie fure that the ani- mo(ity that fiibfiftcd would never h« done away vvhi'.cMr. vManby Tcnnained^ rnymaller ol'that llegiiiicrit J he faid, tiiat hr. did not think tlint any thing that had come tf) his knowledge iuipeach-.-d ihe integrity of Mr. AlaiiLy, but that he wilKed h in to be reinoved.tolon.e other fuuaticvn lp.>vhii:h his tal^Dts were ad3i>ted. Aboui the lame pe- fLqd, an liCjiouialJe Member of tliis HniUe, Ane of the Members for the CQ^unty of Surrey, who rej-rLlented hTin- felf, I think, J^s a r».]aiu>.i. of Mi;, Mnnby's, liaied alio l^is anxious wifh to nje, tint Vou-e appointment night .(i ibirnd~l'or Mr. i^Ianhy, aud that he Ihould quit the x'cgi- intnt. . 1 mentioned, as I was deiired, to Mr. Htt, baih Vt'hM h'uJbeen dated ky his Royal Highnefs the Duke. oV .^^c^-k^ 5ud what had. been, Ibted jjlfo by , the hooourable Me.fnbev to whom I have alluded^ Mr. Sumaer j and, ja jEonfcqacnce oCtbatj t)ji vvi^^^ipoi nted.au AfHEant Com- milTar)'-- . ^-*- I -5n:fr W^. ^^,.,: . _ ^ -,..■, >-^.-<. j .|^. J>id }^ti,^^botit^t43i t^me, receive any otber recom- laeitdation of .tTifi DiiJjje .t to he attributed to a.ny mi fcon- . duct -on the .part, ot that Gentleman, although, hs had happened to litll under the difpleafure of the Prince of WaJes. - '' . .„. . . ,, . ,..• ,> -Mrsl- MARY ANN CLARKE was caUed iaagam^ " ,^nd examiued by the Committee, as foUowis.:! ' Q,. What firft gave you the idiia that it was pofriBle;tp procure money by dil'pof:*! ot'Commilhcns in the Army } %'l A. By ( 2Q8 ) A. 'BvpeiTons applying to mej and I fourti lh»t M^ Priyai H'glinefs was very ready to oblige me when 1 asked hi;n. Q. Do vou recollet,^ U^-'mir defiruke would be very angry ? A. It i« very likely I did ; 1 dnre fay I did. .^ CI. \Vhnt (^.Id yott meao by thofe expre.hons, in cafe you ■iJid uTcvihera : A. Thai he would be ycry angry withme for being in- cau t ious.. ^ ,. t '■.■'.*' f »^ ' Q. "Vou have flatad, that you only received athiOuiaUci -2 year fmm the Duke of York : had vou credit with' the Duke's tradefmea ? — A, iSo. . \ -' -' i ^■. Q. You have ftated, that you received money /or pro- curing, a ComuuQion Icr Mr. Dowlcr aoda Letter of Ser- vice for Co'oneljFreneh y was money paid to, ,you be/ore you made applications to tl^e. Duke upon either. ci tliolje accounts? — ^^.No. .. *; :^;=/ :-i::.ft Q. II«d you a promife (^f money ?— .4. Yes/rl-vi!;- i:^. ,.4^, WU(n you made the application to the Dukeyd'd you iiate to him that you had a promife gf pecuuiary /re- a! t (i-^te-A tKe ^yhole cafe of Mr. Do^vjer; i, -jaa */:.; ^ Q. Do you recoiled to have had any ncgocIaUcn '.re- fpecti^g p|ber;Pfqiin9JtiQn5, entirely difcQUiiftglAd jyiih^ie . J.If yiUiji^'illpii^i^^t^Yt what thofe ih:Jig^w?e;e, l^^vill aalwcr to \i^^i^^ ?e-ftr j-^;; - r :■ y*- '-V' ^'\i^'^' i J^ji^t: ,( 209 ) M^. Shrritau. Q. Mad you anr neqocintion or raQn#jr tranlaCtions rerpeciiiig promotions in ihu Cljurch ? ji. 1 never received any ; but a Dr. O'Meara applied to me ; be wanted to be a biliu«.p j lie is very well kiiowa in Ii eland. Q, Are yow." contidenr yrm never had any appllcatiou. cr negociiuiou lor any (Jiher preferment in the church/ biu this of* Dr. (^'Meara ? -/. Ye^, lately. Q. State what thole applications were ? A. 1 iiardly gave li-yfcirtimeto read them, 36 I have n% inferell njw* Q,. i'orwhat rank of promotion were thofe applications made ? A. Something about a dconery or a bifhperlck. • - •■Q. -Through what channel were the perfons applying le4. to believe you were to p: oraote their wiihe.8 ? A, I do not know , 1 believe ftill the Duke of York, they thought, . ; il. 'l'horea«ppHcations were (ii'^ce the conMGfl.ionbetwe^ yourfelt and the Duke of York had ceif«ed r — A. Yes. 9-i^'^ you ftate the name of any other great iilulirions p«jl'«n to th»fe perioiis lb applying, -or any agent applying c;D-theiribehalf ?' ' ' . ^-'*.r4.''N'Oy cenai-nly-not. '• '■ C^. 'Do you recollect vhe name of any perfcD who ap« plied for ihofe ehtireh preferni^nts ? A. Is it witlied the gentleman wlio wrote to me, or the gentleman who waiiicd the Itep in the church, :.a. Both-? . A: Thofe are fome of the letters that Colonel Wardle ran off- with; that relate to them.' * • Tfi£ Chancdlor ofukc Exe£hequcri Q. Stater the name*^ ofany perfons\yho applied' forihore church preferments } ■ A. The. gentleman is determined to deny it i I haye juft-beenfpeaking to him now upon. that fubjeA. -, Q. What is his name ? — -4. Donovan. .. ^Q. On whofe behalf did Mr. Donovan apply^to you'?^ ■ i^ -*4., I do not k«ow J he talks a great dealiabonrDr.' Giatfc, and a great many other Dolors j but it was ©ot iftt.Df. Gla fie that the appointment was wifhell.^' "'■»^*^^ '^^L. a. For ( ^70 ) X^. For v^'hom wa> it that the appointmewi was wilhed .' A. I cannot recflle6t the name j but it is in thofc letters . that Colonel Wardle has, 1 think* " Q.^Hov/ do you know that Mr. Donovan means totieny- this faflj-of having made this application to- you fom church prefern]entr •• ^^ . . ^ %. ,^ .. ,-.... ' ,^.A, I do not know that 'ho mer^n^ to deny about the church preferment; but he ineaws to deny it altogefhcr^ and I never ditl prefer any o:!e to the churc!i. Q. X)id ..vou evAT rece'v- a 'tf.er from Mr. Doni^vmi; tellmg you to be very quel;- in your a;>;)iication to tiic Duke of York, or pcrha^b ibmc other iilufirious perlbn would ill ttrfcrewrth him, and get the pi'«'ter:nent )• anH who was that illuitiious i e.t.n r - . •:; A. I bt^ieVethe perfsn who takes aknoft all the* p.i^ " trorvageof the church in Krif^'and, -hu alluded to, or wtbo, is entitled to it', as being tiie hrlt Female Fcribnagc. in -• KpglRnd; but' Cok)nel Wardlc told me he wochl never bring^that name forward, or that l.tter. • • ?).'.': '' ■"' ' •r^ P/id 'you ever receive .a letter from Mr. Donovatr, ' telling you to he very quick in your rappltcation torih«k l)uk(iot'York,'or perhapi^fn'.ne other iilullrions il^erfjn •would iriterfere-vith him, anvi-get the.prett;nne»t:.??;!i-;vi.. A. Yes, 1 received, fuih a letter, ::--:i v.;r. *'. Mo:.- - <2"1^^^ you eve^commun'eate i3r; O'aSicara's oflTenibr a bilh,opj"kck to th'je'ComwaRdtr in Chief f- ».; • «>^;.:— * ^. Yes, I did, and all his dc'cumenls. '' /i-^-^.t* f^.'fWhat wa^ tbe Commander in Chief's ?nlVerJ ' « yf. That he had preached before his Majcfty, an'd'"hrs ^J|ije;(ly did not like the O. in his narp^. J.ne\'erme«- tioiied that till (his finoinejnt-, except -to the -Do ^orhitn^' j^jQ* pjd Dr/O'Meara. fpecify -any pa^icniar furn'j aad what was that funi ? ' ( -rvr;'' '■}{ itr/^.H ^.;:\ rr -i tv>^:- Jrtiiixik tbtt -g^nHeman : ro«^ be.a TfriefwJfiofihiir, aiad Ke; ID jjft Know' better thw. I do/rnidhc EO^yjcoolletfiipdr*: i^aDS. , "*";■". .iKi)t»al:Vr.7.Yr,(^Q.r ,:i'f:Ma ^d at 'iVfcpi4tk4r0>|f€«ra ff enfy/any.parlicu?arfufrf»?''J C .u4. I;forfl^t>v.'ai^ I haye bnrnt alnioft-aUmy papcrS:^! . ^tii^it:recoUe^^ >atrnot, at this moment,, - ;.•:.', - -r; jait? ( ^71 ) iyi. ]) ) von rt'Colloct at whnt time Dr. O'.Xk'nrj uiadf ihis app!io:tbi(5n ? "' - '.-a. - . . .■ v ./. In 180.), the v^Tv nit^ht tliatlhp lOiikc wns goit?g't(r) Wiepiioiuh ; he called upon tne tiv ino nent the T)dkc iniil left tlie honle, between twelve a id one rrclock ; { think he wntched his Royal Higiinc'l^ o!it; us hehivtrnSeii llr.it his lw)i les were wnitino in l'ortm;iii >qu:ne, and illeu hc"can:e in jull as I wns upon t!ieliai:s, a;ul Oud it was'a \ery good opportunity, for hv. was i^»>in;:j to ^V'ey(ll()^.ltll iHunediately, Jind a^Ued me to comc'c^t^wn llairs agaih, a;ul write him a letttr of introduction to his HoyallligK-'. neis, and I diclfo. -• - - ' '',/""' - Honourabh' Mr. Lsttletvn. Q. Yon have" fald'y^n tia"d' no credit with the Duke's tradclntcn ; d'^ you mean t(> fay" that the Duke did not pay any of yimr rradeffB<6n's bills ? A. 1 do not recoUett that ever he did; exce[5t"one f6'a" milliner. • ' ' ^-^ ••-" •■•'''>- S'lr.G. Trarremkr. Q Y.ou have llated, that ihe Duke of Yoik had i)aid fcvcral fuins of money in additioii to the thouf-and 'a yar,' upon various bCC'aliu'n.v; ddybu ^flf adhere. to that ftatcmem ? ;•' • »' - > •''"'• ' [ -'' " '"" y^''*. j- •\''^. •, •\A2 He paid one ihoufand throe hnnd'dd piTmihds to' f!i«■ ^llver^nlith,■■ to balnncc fr<)m'\vhar I hadpuid ; "I do n6Y' recolle<5t any tWng at prefent but thaf.i - i • * v.^ir.Bid not the Duke of York pay feveral o4-h€r con-^ f^ del aWc f urns, bcfides the one tlioufand pounds a ^eap,. eluring your relidence in GloutK»fter Place ? *: *f_' ' 'j) A. He paid for one landau,, and tlwt is^lli can rec6Uet^ - i^ . Are you pofitive'tfiat 'ymv^'n rtcdTl^ifl! no diKei: fums being paid for you by his:R6}'aJ Highirefei?; >? :j..ir*J">- ' " >i. I cannot recollect one e^rcepfthofe. ' ' ."'^.u; :/•,«» a '. Q. What wa-g th» amount of 5robridebisilt''tlfiTfebsn^t?d th^feKii!^ppiiJitJS./h|^i^tbm toThint the nexC'day^by Mr.iCbii*ril?pi3UtiU*fotlnd^ili^ta^ to be more, uponexaminatiol).. : -r.-, ,. J; .^j -,; , ^ i .,«J^'»" Q. Didyouiunderftand, 'when ycain*'^e^iski$c[itiKetHett tlic'Du'kie ofYork bad paid aity'other fums befWlKS the one AQufand' pounds a year; that the^ueftion applied to fuftjpr? ( 27'i ) paid to traddlbicn j If ib, itate now wbedier you received yourfulf any loms trom the Diike of-=»York bwlidcs the oiic, liioufand puunds a year ? , . : . A. I do not recoiled: any, ■' Q. For what period did you rcfide In GKouccfter Place^ A, I ihoald ti^Lnk about two yeait and a li*U, or liirt'e years. Q. During the two years and rr half or three year-s you Hved at Gloucefter PL^ce and Wey bridge, \\as th.e Du'^e of York well a'^quainted with the extent ot yoar eltabiifli- m*nt r A, Certainly ; never a day pafled without his being thcre^ except the tin>e that he went to the King. Q. On whom was the Court Alartial, on which yow fta-ted on a former evening that you had been a Witneis ^- ^ 4t On Captain Thoiwpfon. ^ , fThe Witnefe wiis dircded to willidraw.l , ■•''■■I' . ■ ' *^lr. Whitbread rofe in coufequence of the af- fisrtion of Mrs. Clarke in the beginning of the even- ing (that ilie had been infulted and abufed in coining into the Houfe of Commons,) to move, *' that the Serjeant at Arms be ordered to attend theWitneffes- to and from the tloufe of Commons, to prote6^ them from -any infult or injury that niight be offered tp tfiem in > obeying the orders of that Houfe.** He faid, whatever fnightbe'the cbara6ler,xbe morals,, or the line of'^ lifepUFfued by the witnefs who had been before' the. Hpufe, that there was a certain de- ferfence and ref{>e£l duo to the fex vvhioh (hould not be violated on any occafioa,- kali of all on her^cn- ||;aace into "that Ho uA^.f ♦ . /v .> ■♦ ' 'Mr!^ Sheridan " ffell it hisdutytokjbjfeftfothe Sfiotion of bis-: HoBQurable Eriendj foritv^ reafons, - firA that hedidcnot wi(h it (hould appeaF-that it- was necefTary to n!iake any fuch or^Jer; fecondjy^ tl^at oti 1^ jii61t accurate in (^uiry into tfeehufinffs^ h^urv 'r--i ( ^7^ ) ^erftood that no infiilt vvhatfcver was oflTercd the wit* ncfs in the courfe of the evening." Mr. Whitbrfad conlklcred it fufficient, *' wheri a-witnefs ftated the occurrence of any Impediment, for the*Co«iniittee to call upon the proper officer tV prevent any firftilar repetition," ^ ^ ' •Air. ^Ie LLiSH then informed the Committee, upon enquiry he had learned from the Serjeant, at^ ^rms, that Mrs. Clarke would not leave her carriagcT until the officer went to her. He-did fo^ in* com- pliance with her widies, and handed her to the bar 6f the floufe, JMr. Adam could not go the length of believing that tumult exited, becaiife the laft witnefs afferted it. To put the queftion .however/ beyond difpute, he. moved that the Serjeant at Arms fhoruld'be.ex*. amined on .the f^icl.'' .., ,. ;. ,,. ,..« - , «-,u i.-t .-.-- .tiie'.DcXputy Serjeant at^Ar'na^j, was examined by thft. ^ r?. '^U*e to the Comrnlttee Avh^t you kriow* relafive H >H6 coming of 'Mrs. Clarke 'to the ^-I6lJlTe, anJ her paC^ fage froffi her caiTiage up totHe'door". " '' . ^ yi, I'diretaed the Mt^lfengers when ^Wri:*Clarl^e was ordered to be call* d in/ to golo her ; .it was fonia time^ >)*iloTe they coidd 'find her j I directed' thcrn to go to'ithe fcHrlercntCoftiiehjufes/and atJaliJearut thatthe was wait- ing in her carriage clofe to the HoufAi of Cotpmops. > .&li^, f^nt me a.Dieffage by a .MeUcnger, ftatin^ ,jbajtihejb8d pie, ^ do nbt' think iwof'cV'Hcr 'carriage do^or* vUas'open'ecf, and Ihe y,'-^i hnrided-v>b't/'ifn\l hhi a 'Cvc.rcl-'-p^tre-(5,^'¥tod^ ^'•'e^ri^fta^lc with lu-c-f n^^^i br-ju^ht her np f» ilie Houfe. ( 274 ) Tilde was not a word laid to her all the wa^* I came v^-Ith ber. here. (^. Was not there a conJiderable crowd in the pafTages Icadiiitr to the Houfe ? . A, Yes, there wcre.feveral people, a great many {(^t- vanis, tliey were ftanding on -one fide j there was quite room enough for us to pals. ■[ . . , -^ - Q. Did any of thofe pcrions i^fu^tter ? A. /Sot a word palTtd, to my Icnowledge. Q. Who wab the mellejiger whorn you fen t for her ? """^A. His nanif is Skelton. - 4^.' He was Rnt by voir for Mrs. Clarke r — A» Ti s. •'^ [The^Witnefs WAS direiSed to withdraw,] »Mr. Br A KD;fubriiitte2 to the Committee, ihatuo jContradi6tion exifted between the ftatement of AJis. CJiftrke.and the Serjeant at Arin5, relative to the ir.- terruption ihe had received in her progrefs to the Houfe. . He tiierefbre thought it beqorfting the di'^ -^^ : - Mr. Whitbrba Dji»p^ed to be underllood/ as by no means callidg'^y'iiijftulation on the Serjeant at Arms. . -t^#l;^;^ ^'' "^^ v _^ ,,., ^ The C jf'AisJT&i^^ the E !cc uk qtt'k n nbw \viihed the B^fi&Lrable Member "* to call finctherof ibis witneipfcfi^^;^^-^-- ''^' ■ •'^^-^•"' " ' Mifs MARY A^NN TAYLOR was called in, ai^'d examined . bj- th« Committee, asfbilovvsi : jj/r. U'jirdk. (^. W.erc you in the habit of vifiting in' jplouceiler Place, when. Mrs. Clarke was under th^ pro* udion of the Duke of York : ,-• . ... ., , _ A' \ ery frequently. ^ , ." ^ - . ^; Q. Did yoQ ever hear the,Duke of York fpcakto ilf$.. plaiiw refpe mc continually about tbo, levy bulinelV, and is alwa^'.n vaiitin^ fometiiic^ more in his own favour. Turning to JNIrs. Clarke, I think he /aid, *"* How dots he behave u* you, Darling?" or fome fuch kiud words as he u fed lo 4116 4 that was all that w:i$ laid, Qi. Do ygu recdllect any tKing further pailing than vhat you liavc Ita^ed ? A. Mr*. Clarke replied, **" Middling* not very well." I'hat was all that Ihe laid. Q. Was that the whole of the conTCcfition ? — A. No, i^. delate the re^ r A. The Duke faid> "Mafter French mnft mind what h.e- Ts about, or I O^.all cut np him Jind his levy too." TliM. was the cxprefljon he ufcd. Ahomey General , §. How l«»g hare you kntJWiii yt^" Clarke?" . A. I'en years. • ' 6^. Haveyou^knowH her no longer than ten yeafs ? ..A^\ do not exac^rtly recoiled, it may be fumeihing.. nTore. * -4^ Q. Where did you firft become acquainted with her \ A. At a houle at Bayfwatfr* near the Gravel Pits. ' ^. Where do you live yourtHt ? A. At Ch el lea. Q. Witly whom did you live at Bayfwater ? ^^'^ -With my parents. <^. What are your pnrents .' "^'\ -> >-^:^ ■ A. My Father was a Gent'eni-i^. '5Q. Do you live with your Father now :— ^i. No. -'•»^.-- 'Q.: Is your Father livng :—A. Yes. • / ' :;'';^:' Q, Is your Mother living : — A. Yes. '\^\% "' V .:. ^. Do you live with your Mothc ? — A.''isSt' '' ' ^. Are you married .^-i-.^. No. f*% •^, With whom do you liver .'r'-i^r irfiv^,.^ A, My Sifter. ■ft. Wiiat fs yonr Sifter's name .'--^.i. Sarah, Q. Is f?.. Is ijic a niarried wcnjan or a fiiiglc \vo;iiau " . J. Sinu,.*;. ' " ■ ■" . ^. Where do vou live : — . /. Clifilen. -.>...» . 'hTi^. In lodgings or aa iio!iickce^-,crs r " .- - ^ -;. A. Moiifekecpers. ■ * • '{^'^-^^•^iV Q. Are you ot"any piofetfrori ? *■ "" '' "*'^^':/". "V /4.,If a boarcWng'iVhool be a prcfplTion! ' ^^'^ '^' Q. In what part of Bay (water did Mrs. Ciarki- jLve:\vhe* yv:u knew her there ? • '"^ A. It 1.-5 called Craven Place, within two do'-rs oF GUI' hcufe. . ^' ■ 4 ■ . Q. Who lived wltb her r ' -';-^^:;J' "^ * t:_^ '^i /i. HerHuiband, when I firft knew fieri -^ s.-^ .V ^. Have you known any one liv'ng with her finc.li ?''. A. His Royal Highncfs the Duke of York. ' ^' • Q. Have you known no man live with her but hlsUoj'til Ilighners, fince her Hulbend Uved wiUi her ? *'.'* ,. A, Not to my knowledge. .»i.ri> Q, "Have you feen much of her; have you b^eJJ inti- mate] y ecqualn ted with her ? — A. Yes. ' ;rj 'r.^ii^^ t Q. "i ou are not reiated to her, >arG you ?*'' '^' '*-'*,; **^* A. My Brotlier is married to her Sifter, "-'■^'^f ^'^^^ •-'' ^ Q. Did you know her wkcn (he lived at TaX^lLdi Pja'cc ? A. Yes. - ' ^ /-'-"<>"^ \- \ q'. Did her HuHjand live with her there ?:" -^ -r^^iiuP ^i. I never faw him there, I xinderftood.' ili'd/ livcqvi'^th ber Moiher there. ..» A'.v<:-*i.I iX; i^u>x.^.- Q. Whai time j u(Ted between hvr leav^ifi'lici: ndib?^d and her living with the i;ukeaf York? ^^-V/;^ i^" ' A. I cannot recoUec't. . - ' 'v '"' y- i'^ *'•' Q. About how many years ? /-^V'l ■•**•''■• ""''.t ■/^- A I d> not know that, ./<.•//..?.-"■ .■.•{;I..^ ^. }l(»w loncj ago did yon know her at Bayfw^tef-;,^ '% A. Som-e what about tea yeara } I cannot lay c^c^Hlv^^ Q. Had not her Huiband left her before Ihe ■i'etVBny'T- water ?" - ■ ^^ C ■ J. I do not know. , . '"-*<<»; .;>f Q." Do you mean to fay, y«>u do not know wV% I Iter iMrs. Clarke's Hufljand hnd left her before flie Icft^avl- watei- : — A. X^i. ■ - ^ .( ^7; ) ^. What was her Iluiband } ' A, I always tindr.rltooJ he was a man offome rortiine. Q,. Do you Dot kn >u' Lbat lie had only an annuity of fifty pounds a ytar. wliich was paid him weekly? A. I never hea id luch a thing. Q_. Did y^u ever feeiiim with Mrs. Clarke, during ttc Utter part c^hcr Itay nt Bayfwatcr } — A, No. • Q. During the latter pjjtDl the time Mrs. Clarke ftaid at Bayfwater, you uevci- law her Hulbanu, iVli . Clarke, there ? A' I do Dot rcc.)lJe8: tliat I did. Qi, Where did Mis. Clarke go from Bayhvater ? yf. I do not recollei!^. ^, Do you remember her in Park Lane ? A. She called upon me one day, and faid fhe was in Parte Lane. ^. Were you in her houfe, at'Taviftock Plate, often ? ii. Yes. a. Did you live with her there .^ A. I never lived with her at all, Q. You never Uept in the iioufe r A*. Yes, frequently, s Q. Do you know that any one lived with her but hcf Hulband at that time ?-^^. No. Q. You took her to be a mydefl, decent woman, whilii (he lived in Tavillock Place ? A, She lived with her Mother, as I thought, and I knew nothing to the contrary. Q^, What is ycur Father's name ? .^, The fame us mine. -^. Taylor r— J. Yes. ^ ^. W'h^t is bis Ciirifiian name ? — A> Tiioma*. .^ Q,, Whei*e does he I've now .- Ai% I had rather be excufed anfvvcring. [Tiie Witnefs was direttcd to withdraw, (^The Witnefs was again called in, and the ^ucf- tion was propofed.3 A. I do not know. Q. Do your mean tltat your credit (hoiild rcfl up.in the !^Jo. Vlil. A a vcraci V 'Veracity of that anfwcrj that you do not know where your Fath^er lives ? A, -i do not (deadly undcrftnnd the queftion. l^Yhft Witnefs was directed to withdraw^- X.ord FoLKSTONf. fiated his opinion to the Houfe, that the witness ought not to be compelJed, as there might poffibly be circumftances attending the difclol'ure of this queftion, which might prove injurious to the vvitnefs's father, nor could he con- -ceive that any material benefit would refult to the prefent inquiry from the difclofure of this circum<» ftance, •' -V The Attorney General in anfwer, defended the propriety of his examination. ** A perfon was produced, of whom no perfon knew any thing, un- lefs that (he was the fifter-in-law of a very queltion- able witnefs. In fuch a cafe was not inquiry into the charafter and connexions of fuch a witnefs ne- •ceiTary ? Would not much of her character for credit, depend upon a knowledge of the fituation ofiife in wiiich herfelf and her connexions moved ? H^ by 110 means infinuated that poverty or humility ofiife were to be conftrued into objeclions againfl: the validity of ftatements, where the perfons making themliad unifomly fupported a good character ; but lie had ftill a right to contend that when perfons ivholly unknown, except by the good accounts they gave of themfelves, were brought forward upon fe- rious inquiries, he or any other Member had a right to inquire into every circumltanee of their previous life, ar.cl of their connexions." ' General Stewart begged to fay a few nords, •which were, '^ that if there was one Member who took up more of the time of the Committee by hu- jiierous qucltions, it was the Noble Lord* oppofite. • Lord FuLKST.Ni:. Lord ( 279 I Lord FoLKSTONE. If he had taken up the time of the Conniiittce unnecefllirily, he would feel ex- treme regret. At the lame tiine that he could no: i'urrejider his own opinion, that the Attorney Gene- ral's examination did not at all bear upon the point. Indeed, from his own obfervations, it was obvious that the only thing lie pretended to know about that wimefs fte could not know, namely, that ihe was the fitter-in-law of JVirs. Clarke, as he alierted, but which fhe denied. : Sir G» War render .Supported the propriety of the queftions put by his Noble Friend * — *' they were, in his opinion, of the molt viral imffcrtance.'* ^; Mr, Sheridan trufted " that imlefs the Attor- ney General felt the abfolute neceiiity of the quef- tipn, he would not trefpafs onthe private feelings of tlie witnefs by continuing to prefs it." 'Mr. Brand. Upon refieclion, there mav be circumftaQces of real iind ferious difficulties, where i^MWpuld be inQonfirtent with the belt fedings of the heart, and a violation of parental duty, not to deny the refidence ot a father. The queilion may. bea legal one, but he trufted, othermotives of equal urgency would operate on the Chancellor of the iixchequer not to prefs it. The CHAi^ciECLOR of the ExcHEauER con- ceived, that the Honourable Gentleman had alTumed difiiculties, which he had no right to do. He could oqly attribute the difinclination of the witnefs to ftate certain circumftances, to her anxiety to evade that difcovery, which would be fatal to the credit of her teftimony. Mr. WiLBER FORCE expreffed a ftrong objciSlion to the manner in which the quefiion was put, *' it appeared like brow-beiiiing the witnefs. He by no • iord FuiKST0K2. • •- " A.as2 means i 260 ) means attributed fuchan intention to Kis Right Ho* noarable Friend; aJthough not a fyftem, it may be contracted from legal habits. He recommended that tiie anfsver of the witnefs fhould be left to the opinion which the Committee would fubfequently pronounce." Mr. Kenrick alfo ftated, that he bad heard from another perfon, that theperfon to whom the queftion referred, had been arrefted withia a fc.v hours. Mr. YoRKE, differed in opinion, and thought it utterly impoffible to carry on the inquiry, unlefs iuch queftions were pointedly anfwered ; the truth could never be found out, and the obloquy under which the Duke of York had fallen, by a combina- tion of fome of the moil abandoned chara6lers, could not be as eafiiy removed, if the witnefs was permitted to evade an Iwering a queftion, which in his judgment was fair and reafonable.'* Mr. Simeon did not fee any reafonable obje^ion to the anfwering- of the queftion, and therefore trufted the Committee would not relax. [The Witnefs was again called m'} >Q. l>o you mean feriou fly upon refleifbion to abide by your anfwer, that you do not know where your Father lives ? — A. Yes. Q. How long is it fince you have feen him ? j4. About a fortnight. Q. Do you know where he was living when you faw him lall ? A, At Chelfea. Q. In what ftreet at Che! lea ? A. I beg leave to decline anfwering that queftion. Q. What reafou have you for deciiuing anfweriug that queftion ? A. I do not like to tell to fo large an aflen^bly where I live. Q, Wero ( 26\ ) .Qi Were you- living with your FaUier ? , ^i. Some time ago. " .Q. A fortnight ago were you living with vour Father r ' ul. He did not live with me, he bad jult come irom the country. i Q. Was he living at Chelfea ? A. He ftaid two or three days wiih me. iiQ. Where had he been living in the country before he came to you ?• A. He had been going about different parts; I do not know where.. -Q. Is heof any bufinefs ? — A. -No. -^Q.- What objection have you, who keep a boarding fchool, to tell this Houfe where you live, particularly r A.. 1 haveanfwered tliat jult now. i. Q. .Will you repeat it? ''y|.;I.d;d notwlih lo inform fo large an afiTembly of my refidence. • ' Q. -Wfcfat reafon'have yon for v/iOiing to conceal where you live from fo large ?.n alfembly .'' f'^^.'Tbey will find I am poor, and doubt my veracity. bi^dnc^tlor^f tJif. ^ Exchequer. • Q,. You may be alTured your veracity will noc be-doubted on account i)f your po- verty ; ftate to the Houfe where you live^ and what ftreet in Ghelfea youlive4n? • r-^*' ^--^•' '-•--• - \i. C heyne Row. ;, ^ VQ.. What Number^ — .4. No:8/-~ •" - ■ Attorney- QcneraL Q, Do you keep a boarding fchool at that place r ^ " ' . A. 1 and my fifterdo. • ' Q. Was any body prefent befidv^s yourfelf at the con- v^*HatioTi whidi you alled^:^e to- have paffcd between the Duke of York and Mrs. Clarke, refpefting Colonel "French .^ A. No. Q, Did you often fee the Duke of York in company with MrH.-ClaFke?—^. Yes. .•^. How often may you hate fcen him ? *"' A. I do not recoiled > feldom three weeks paffed that I did rtoC; .-•.•'.-•i-- -*-■ ■_ Q. Haw long hav3 you kept a boarding fchcol ? - w^< A i\ 3 A, Two ( 282 ) A. Two years. Q. At tiie fame p^ace r — A. No. Q. Where before ? yf. At Kfcntifli Town. Q. \\ hat pait ofXcntilli Town3 what fu'eet ? ui. It had no name. Q. Can you tell what Number ? A. No, it has neither a Nun>bei-, nor tad the place a name : there were but two houles. (^. Did ycu keep that boarding fchool under the name of Taylor :-^ .-4. Yes. Q. Where did your Fasher live at that time ? A. 1 beg lo be excufed an.wering any queftions concern- in^^ my Fairier. Q. Vv'here did your Father live at that time ? A. He l.ved with me during paiL of the time there, Q, HoM' lonsc have vo« lived at Cheliea ? A. Lr:lt Michaelmas twclvem n'h. Q. How long had you lived at Kentifli Towa ? A. Not abc-ve three quarters of a year. Q. While you were at KentifhTown, where did your Father live, wiien he wjs not with you ? A. 1 had rather not aniwer that queftion. Q. While -you were at Kentilh i'owu, where did your Tather live, when he was not with you ? A. I muft appeal to the indulgence ot" the Chairnoan. [The Chairman informed the Witnefs that tliere appeared no realonable objeftvon to her an - iwering the t]\>eftion, and that therefore it "*vas the pleafure of the Committee that I}ie ihouLd anfwer it.] A. I cannot recolledt juii now, Q. "W'by did you wilh to be excufed anfwering that que(l;cn, when you only did not recoUecft where it was that your Father lived ? A. For that reafon. (i. Flow long ago is it that yo;i heard the converfstion you ( !283 ) you have been fpeaking of, between In^, Royal Ilighuefs and Mrs. Claike ? A. I cannot fay exactly. Q. As nearly as you can ? A. During- Mrs. Clarke's refidcnce in Gloucefier Place. Q, Where did you live then ? A. We moved, about that time, but I do not recoiled whether that circuraftance happened afterwards or before. Q. From what place to wiiat place did you move : A. From Bayfwater to Itlington, Q, Did your Father live with you at Bayfwater, at the time you removed to Iflington ? — A. Yes. ^. Did he live with yoU at Illington ? — A. Yes. Q. Where did you live at Iflington ? A. Dolby Terrace, Q^ Do yow recollect what Number r — A. No. 5. Q. What bufinefs did your Father carry on then ? A. None. Q. Has your Father never carried on any bufinefs ^ A» No. ^. What bufinefs was Mr. Clarke ? A. I never heard that he was of any bufinefs. Q. How long did you live at Illington ? •'A. A little more than a year. Q. Was that before you went to Kentifh Towu ? y^. Immediately preceding it. Q. You lived at Kentilh Town about three quarters of a year.'' — A. Exa6tly. -' ^.Q. Do you know Mr. Wardle ? — A. Yes. . .(^. How long have you known him ? A. Not more than two or three months. ' Q. Have you known him two or three motrths? A. Yes. Q. At whofe requefl do you attend here to night ? *. ' A. At the rcqueft of Mrs. Clarke. ,V Q. Did you ever fee INIr. Dowler atAIrs. Clarke's houfc at Gloucefier Place ? — A. Yes. ... , ^J,. v ii .:.' Q. Did you ever fee Mr. Dowler in the fame room with, his Royal Highnefs the Duke of York-and iklrs, Clarke ? ■ A, Never. • • . . a. Were ( 2S4 J Q. Wet r you ever told by Mfs. Clarke, that flie baS' Teprefeiitcd Mr. Dowler to the Duke of York as IMr G.- Clarke's brother : — A. Never. Q. Do you believe that your Father's affairs arc iir a i^ate of emba, ralfment ?^-^A\ Yes. Q. Do you know [Mr. Williams, a Clergyman^ of Kentifh Town ? ^i. I never heard his name. Q. Have you aKvays kept a boarding fchcol at yourdif^ ferent r?fi.ienccs ? A. At Ktntifli Town, and at Chelfea. •-•'••' Q. IIow many fcholars have you I'iOW ? —'' ^^' • ■ A. About twelve. ^ '"' Q. Mow long did yourefidsat Kentilh To^^^l'? ■ -- ■ A. Three quarters of a year. ^. Did yc)Bth. ./^^iw \ Q, How much more than a twelvemonth) •.^m^-"*;: .A. Seven or eight months.* ■"'■' r''*^'; ' ''-'"■^ ^t 3-:^;^ Q. The convt rfat:on that you have ftntcd yori heard- to '•■ take place between' the JJukt-ofYork and iMrs/Clarke, you ftated to have palled al)oui the time you rembvecl from . Bayfwat-er to inington 3 is that corrc ft r "" ^^ A. Yes, it muft have been about that time. ;'• - -■—-'-• - ^.. Was it abjut that time? •.•••::i.. . . A, I cannot fay exacftly. Q. Upop recol!.e<^lion, can you rec:ri to y>^ur mind any .■ circuniiiances which will induce you to bdieve that it^was about that time ? — A. No. t^. Then, do you ftate that wiihout -any .prccifercc©"!- ledtion upon the ("ubject ? ■ •' A^ Onl^ by guefs. . ■- * ' ' '^■'^ Ijcrd Folk(lonc, Q.. Do you reeollett ever feeing Colonel French in Glpi\celier Place ? ' ' • '^•- ,^.'1 have heard h'm announced 5 but I cannot faylhat I was introduced to' him. " ' "-. ■■ -'■^^■j^i^g^ .^z^u: 'i^Mr. Bacsford. ,Q. , What is *ibc age ■ of ycurycimgipft fohdar r— J. Seven. '■ ■ • - •-•'* [Ihe Witncfa v. a,^ dirc6ted to withdraw, Mr. ■ ( 285 ) Mr. DAN I EL SUTTOxV, Deputy Judge Advocate ot the Elfex Olftrict, was called in, and examined by the Coniniittee, as follows : Chairman. Do you recollect Mr. Claike being at Cap- tain TlhJini)roa's Court Martial, at Colcheflcr ? A. 1 do. Q. State to the Committee what palTed relative to her --being put down a widow ? A. In conftquence of my having been diretfted to fum- mon Mrs Ciarke to appear to give evidence before the Court Martial that was fitting, on charges preferred again ft Captain Thompfon, I applied to Capwin Thompfon'g folicitor, a Mr.. Smithies, and dtfired he would fend to mc the Chrillian as well as the furname and dcfcription of Mrst Clarke* Mr. Smithies delivered to me the defcrip- tion upon paper; and, as near asjl can recolle6t, her name was Mary Ann Clarke, of Loughton Lodge, in theCooDty of EOftx, widow. In confequehce of the defcription fo given to me, by Mr. Smithies, I entered it upon the Mi- nutes of the Court, and adniimllered the oath which I ufualiy admin iftered to Witneffes, and then having read the charges to Mrs. Clarke, ihethen anfwered the queftions which were put by Lieutenant polonel Fane, who was the profecutor ; was afterwards examined upon queftions fab- mitted by Mr. Smithies, who was concerned for Captain Thompfon, and then upon queftions that were asked tier by different Members of tlie Court. I have a recollcdlion , 1- think, of Mr. Smitliies, having communicated to mcy iho was not examined the iirfl day fhe was fumraoned, id con- fequence of a Witnefs, of the name of Malthy, who had been under examination for a conliderablc time. 1 think Mr. Smithies communicated to me fome delicaoy Mra. Clarke had, as to the Appearance before the Cou t, and as to queftions that might be put to her ; and I told him> that (he need not be under any app:ehenfions, for no im- proper quefiions fhould be put to hei ; if fhe anfwered the interrogatories of the Profecutor and the Court, Ihe need be under no apprehenfions as to any difagreeable quefiions^- ' \v.Jjiph Ihe fcemed to apprehend might be put to her ; and . . ihft ( 286 ) ibe fubfequcntly anlVercd every qneftion that was put j and, upon tliat particular charge. Captain Thomplbn was, afterward- honourably acqaitteJ. Q. Did /he herfelf rtate her.felf to be a widow, or was jEhe asked, or did any converfation pafs between yoiirltlf and iier, upon that lubjeCl? - A. I really am not quite {'\:it^; I law Mrs. Clarke once or twice previous to her examination that day, in order to communicate to her that ine muft itop. and Mr. Smithies requeftcd me to ftep to The Cups, where he -was, to let him have, the proceedings, to prepare Garptain Tha'mpfoh's defence j I rather thick it wkf Mr. Smithif 8, for I perfeffly remember, -wiiich is ufuai where the AtTiftant Adjutant General of the diftricl does i:ot deliver me thu lilt of the Witne^fes, b»:it wlicrc ihcy come from the SoJicitRr of the pany, that he will deliver to me ths name and de3|^ription, and 1 rather think it ^a&^in confcqiience of what he faid wmci- ■■.■-' " -r -■ ■\'.:'^- :'.,;[ - . fQ, Yoii do nat nreoollc^^ flskilig her the tfn^lWcn'Whetb'cr, fte was. a widow or THrt ? - ''"- - *-; : '-; -^ A» Upon my ^vord Lrfofnot rcctrUef^Vhfeth^f 1 dtdl'- 41, Vou do iiot Tejwliect any Obnverfetior* lititu '^(1^(1? i^ad^e^o.ber .fitiwiion j irer ^cilhing' to^avnid pdbjrdi^^ . A.' I do not recdlled th^ particuh^rs, bnt Ido recolI»/<^>^,'' either before or after the time Mr. tJmithies asJted melot ftep down to the Inn, with the papers, tliatflife^id fl)e wai in a very deiicate fituation,' and alluded ao-herfitua- tion; I do not rscollt'd: that Ihe mentioned the particular pcribn under whofe- protcdtion Ihe was, but (he alluded to jt,^and 1 tindcrft©od from ge^eraV report what flie meant. ) : jQ. Wa& Ihe particularly defcribed as a v/idow, or did lire anfwer to the interrogatory whether fhe was or-was ih^-ft widow ? A. She.anfvvenedlcrno'interrogatory uponthat fuhjetH:, it is not the pradice for WitnefTes at Courts Martial to an- fwer te fuch interrogatories, unlefs they are fpecifically put ; the name and defcription ts pat down, and then the dhaifges read ; then the oath is adminiftered, and then the qucflioq put* . . . . • - ( 287 ) Mr. hcresford. Q,. Do yon rtcollect any evidence that cainc forward at that Court Martial, relative to a JSilL of Ekciianccr . " ^ A, \cs I do, Mrs. Clarke was exajiiiued, and gave evi'« dence upon two Bills of Exchange. The Witncfs was direded to withdraw. Mr. Abbrcromby oppofed the queftion, bccaufe aa it was in the power of the Committee to provide the befl poffible evidence, *' namely, the proceed- ings of the Court Martial itfelf, without dependiii*^ on any hearfay tcfiimony.*' *^ Mr. Canning did not confider that the Com- mittee "were fo ilrictly bound by the rules of evi- dence, as to preclude the Honourable Gentleman from putting the queflion to the witnefs. By fuch a courfe, aJeadiag objeiSlwas^ obtained by the' Com- mittee, namely, celerity in its proceedings.'* Mr. Williams Wy^nne infifted - « that it vvas tine uniform ufage of the Houfe to rejetSl hearfay teftimony, "when^it was in theif power to acquire the bed e\^dence that the nature of,, tbe cafe would allow -^^-'^'^t;^^^^'^"-^5"v.^::^-'-^ Aftei" fomedifcu(rion,'^;Ir. Sutton was again calked in, and produced the Minutes of the Court Martial, in which Mrs. Clarke, is. defcribed as .Alary Ann Clarke, widow, and (he fwears. that flio was fre- quently in the ufe of guiding her mother's hand in figaing bills of Exchange. - o"!^ f>,/ [The Witnefs was again called in.] • ■ . ■',...■... ,, . t '^^tomcy GciuraU Q. Relate the, circumltances of her teftimony, fo far as you recollect ^•." . . - . 4. I have the o^i^inaLIVJinHttis. .wbi<;Ji I todc^-at thit Cdiirt Martial, in my pock^tw ;■ ^ /"•";.• ::;:ii>. the Idiirt Martial, in my pock^tw ;■ "•";.• ::;:ii.i:. ^: Refer to that part of the evidencfi. wiiich Tcfers to '^ thp ( 288 ) the Bill of Exchange figned Elizabetli Mackenzie Far-» quhar ? A. ''Mary Ann Clarke, of Loughton Lodge, in the 'i County of ElVcx, widow, a Witncfs produced by the *^ Frofecutor, being duly fworn, was examined.** . Q. Was that read to her ? yl. No, I believe it was not read to her. [The Witnefs read the following Ti)xtra(5l from the ^linutes : *' Q. Look at this bill ; is the body *' of it and fignature your baud writing ? - - - '* The Witnefs was then fhewn the bill of the lih "May, I8O7, and then depofcd. A. Yes/it is^ " but it purports to be the h:md of my Mother i, *' (he was prcfent when it was written. I am fire-' '* quently in the habit of guiding her hand when *' Ihe writes, or takes any thing in her hand, in ^ •' confcquence of her being very infirm and very ^ ^ . f nervous. Q, Look at this bill 5 is the body of «* it and fignature your hand writiag^ ? --- The /,' Witnefs was then ibewa a bill of th^ 15th oi 'I' "**July, 1807. A. It IB. Q. Look at both the ^' bills, and flate to the Court, whether the ac- •* ceptance of both is the hand writing^ of Mr. Huf- i: -*' fel Manners. A. Yes, in the prefence of myfelf ** and my mother. Q. Did you, or your Mo- S *• ther, give thcfe drafts to Captain Tbompfoa .^ '*.A, My MotheV the firft, and myfelf, I believe, '• the lalL— ~^. Was Captain Thorapfon aware ♦* that yoa figned the name of Eliz. M*Kenzie" ^ .^ *' Farqubar to thefe drafts, when tliey were, given ** to him? A. Never.— Q. Did he not know " your hand writing from your Mother's ? . .^4. I " do Siot think, be doe<, when I dired^ her hao^. *♦ Was Mr. liuffel Manners indebted to you in a ,. *" fufficient furo, to authorize you to draw upoH ** him for the fum of a hundred pounds ? A* He <. ** wat. 4^. State to the Court the reafon why •* you did' not indorfe the bill dated the 20th of Majrv.1607* A, I had no reafon 3 I v^'as n«t " aware MJ ( 2^0 ) • '' a\vj;e of lliecircumltance that I hnd not indorfed ' '" »' it: it never \v;isrC unied to mwlo beindorled. *' ^. L'o you recoUert t^he date ot ihe bill, dated *' the 15tli (.'".■fuly/lH'Jr/be^ng dltered ? A. iS'o, "I do n !t. (.J. Wiicn thoicb'dli? were given to " Cainarn TliOiVplbn, 4iad you anydotibt butiLbat *' Mr. lUiliei INlanners vvou d pay tlurur wiiea tiiey '^reipcctivt Iv Ihoad' become, dufti ^i-^.-Not the 'Mcalt.^ (^. iiadyoa everbetbrethefe biiis.'.were " drawn, drawn bills upi)ii Mr.. Uiiliei Manners^ - ■"• /' "'and if yon had, w&re fnchibillsJ^paidAvhen due ? -^Uii'kti-^^ I neYer'<<«' Qj Had you any gooid reafoii (o believe that ',** .. "'"M^llrs. Aialtby v/ouid j)ay the bills when they - r»v'« became tfoe: and- if you hac}^.'rMt6 to 'the. Court ' * **wli'at 'were.th/*- rea:fons orv which 'vour belier was \ny perfonal ct^raniiinirat'ioTi wlllV'MrrRmvland *^Maltbv relpcfting the billsln m^blt'd^V'T'^^^'iGus ^*. *' to the'jaft week? A. Never.— 2-^Q.* Have you J.\,l-^'' had any perfonal coinmunication with hiin re- * .r '^fl•e6licg them witliin the laft wetk, and if you J^ , ** have, Hate to the Court th-c fubliauce of it. A. , ^ "Thnrfday laft I went:, accompanied by my Mother, .».C/, **iio Air. Iiowland Multby'^, .and'he told me that , . " he was commir, -, ■ ' '-' .'^- . -^ " Q. Does, it apj>enr j.i-x n the Alimrca of that Court Martial, from the tcftimeny of 'Mrs; Ciavli.e.-'that 'flie put into her Mother's hand, .and With that wrote her name upon a Bill of E.Kchaoge? , ,' / , * '. . , A. That is in the anlWer to the fl^ iVijueltion, iUat was -put to Mrs. C'aikc. - ^ »-'- No. IX. E b Q. Uuri.15 ( 290 ) ■ 'T5. During the procfiedings of that Court Martial, weie sny private quellions put in your prelence to Mrs, Clarke out of Court, rcfptctng her beiii^ a widow, which were afterwarils entered upon the Miuntes ? . A. I do not recollect any 3 I had converfation, as I .mentioned before, with Mr. Smithies, and, I believe, IVIrs. Clarke; I am not exacflly fure, but I cannot recol- lect the whole of that converlation j it was relative to her «!clicacy with refpe6l to her being exammed, and her fear that unpleaiant quelbons might be put to her generally j I have no rccolle(Stion of any as to her being a widow ; I •delired Mr. Smithies, underftanding that Captain Ihorap- lon was brother to Mrs. Clarke, that he would give me ier defcription, and he gave it upon paper. The \V itnefs was dire6ted to withdraw* r Mr. THOMAS PARKER was called in, and , examined by the Committee, as follows : Mr, Wardk. Q. Refer to your book as to the date of any payment that was made by Mrs. Clarke in the year ]SO-lj live hundred pounds on account- of a fervice of plate ^ A. 1 know nothing of the fubjecfL at all ; I was only left executor to Mr. Birkett ; 1 have a U.ok her.v i"" which there is fome account, which I lo ked al to-day, which I did not know of before. ' Produce the lx)ok : [The ( 2t»l ) r c U %) rJ c o C3 O <0 < H O CO JZ G o CO cs - ^ o ao c^ c^ f »0 O ^D *' r ' «»» •-« f-< <-i m , — C^-'4««0 -* •"^ t tr> » . \ P^ _- • "^ 1 ^ 1 «^ ^^ t ■« • 1 P ■ -> 1 CO- r> . X' ^ c • O- ~ ♦^ J3 O W , CO ^**^ z: •— 1- c "^ ^ ^ I—* •-< • * H r< £ _^ J o M ui 4_> ^ .„ ^ "-. ji> f-^ UD ~ ;i; CO -^- c;- - ca • \ r Brace Hair for . Pair of Yards Ii Ditto - o ■« .- CO "O >% Ch CO ci» cs ■ PQ kl Q • >^ >.bo — C! 2 ^ :^. ^ ' o r) r^ < H Z o 0^ t m ) ►~:ooocoo« o •^ • ooooooo o - .OoOOGOO - O W) r( ri N r-l N D »- • I • > > > 2 a »™ ^^ -^ 1-) ^. E o ti o o — c o (^ <*-• o **. ^ <^- '■"»->, ^»'^« »♦■ *- -^ »» 3 ^ ^ rS 19 Ti r. ^ ^ ^^ ^ t^ >^ >, :►.-« -> :*, &-V ^ CCI :«M •"> JZ "• ^ /-^ o V- ic •- -- « *. t X o c »- 'C U SJ "^ H < < J'-^o >> i •^^ -V-^' - o • - ( -293 ) •■ Q. Do yoi\ know any thing more of that book ; or dv> yon know as lo anv of the payments, by whoin liiey were made; or wiiat tnoiCfbilis were, or upon whom drawn ? A. I do n.)t know any thing more oi" il ; there is another little acconirt irt' this book • here is nothing here which Itates at all whaL bills they were. 1 did not know any ibii^.of- it tjil to - ill ere. ,1 cai»e down, it b.in, iMnrlh a. id Conijjany in BernerS-Sireefe. •Q. Have y.>u a iy -nher memorandum m that book. } ■ A. Htir^ js.4omeot'.erracpoupt-ol. goods, .watches, and foiue.oljiiej^,lilyer g.>od.->, and various. o.ihcr articles, which amounts tv) nvv> iiP.ndre-d and e'gtityjlix^ pv)unJs nine \h\\^ lliigs'beiidt'ij'trie.o'.her Acebunt. ' ■" ^ ' ' " ' "' ■' "^ "' ;; ■ ; '.I'Ue A-v'itnefi was'difeded to \vfthdraw!- - r €APTA1N:TUCKER was then called in; ^ Mf.-fVard/e. Ql'V^ you recofiea in'th«year 1803 or 2 801-,' 'Oi'i ^rly? itifFer -bf a; Majori tj ^al a' ' «:ery reduced pri^rd having beern; made to>3ioa by Mr jDonbvani -^i. ::r^.\ l;:.* * .' The .Cw A ncE l l'q ii^of iKq, Exc h j^ q u e |i oBj edle^l ' to tbiii qu^ftiojjj.as h.-i'\'ij.i^ nd'heHririgvoq the points at iffue. Suppofmg the "caVcas pal hy'the Honbup*- able Geatkman. wibat, PQuld thtj Duke of Yojrt have to do With It .^ , .^ ;,-,...-:;^ ,....<, . o-;..-, ,.:-...,::;, ^ ,. Mr. \Yarx)LE- Qnly wi/hed It to be uhd^rftopd^ as. lie hatl made .this 4 pfip c^F His original Ita^emeh^^'. ^liat hp- WfL$i now.rtiady to pr^ye it,/ . I^jlhoyyc^vtr^. the RTglitTToii'oLvra'ble Gentleman \i^f\ any'QbTe^nop, to .i^e q i:\eitipn, , be did not. vvi/K %^ pVelg iV. .' \ .' The . Cw .A I ti 2.J A i ' ailted whoiTi. .'the Honour'^le, GentlemAii wldied to have nex't.ex^muied*? , i".,; » ^ ]!yIr.,\V7ARDLE Taid he had e.xanViried.aU.the wit-' • ne-lTes.he ^ropoFcd calling that night. . ^.^,4 V ;. \\ ,. The Ci^A^xhLLQB of the ExciiiiauER under-' ...,., - .' ■' "Eh-3 ' ' '- ' ■ ^bod ( 29t ) itood, that Mr. Donovan was one of the Hononrable Gentiemnn's witnelfes. ' ' Mr. Wardle Hated, that all he meant ta prove by him was, that he otTered Commiffions in Colonel French's ievy at low prices. ,, , .,.'.. HARVEY CHRrSTIAN COxMRE, Efq. a Member of the Iloufe, attending in his placej, was ex- amin*td, as follows: Chamcellou of the ExcHTcauKii. ;Q. Will you mention the circnnitKmce of your feeing Mr. Dowle^r (hortly after lie had received hi-8 cammifTiou in the Comniiirari.it? , A: I was riding throwgh the ftrcet, and Tmet Mr. Dov.'lefby accident, I liad heard before with great pleafare that he had got an appointment in the"Coiu- miiTariat ; 1 was -not unacqu;iinted with ihe reverfes of Tortune he had faftained at the Stock Exchange, and I-i-was reyolced to hear that he had an enrplo;* reent that wouid yield him a comfortable tnainte- iiance; 1 (topt-biini to give hini my coiigratulationsi and having heardnhat he had got this by the re- ^u^ of ^l.^»,• Clarke^ I afRed him whether he had obtained. (t' b'y the VnteW^ff' ;of Mrs. Clarke or Mr. Broo^' ,Watr6ni'l;is reply to me wa's>' O by Mr. Wation'b.**- ^ ''.^''\ CI From your knowledge of Mr. Dowler, do you believe him to be a man of .integrity ? ' ^L Perfe^liy fo,^ I would hax«c pjcommended hini fo -iiny 'fttUiiXion he was a candidate for. " " '\^ From 'whom had yon hoard 'that he obtained the frppointmeiltTTOar?»lrs. Clarke ^ ' ^ii'. I krtow a:e;reat"many perfons vvhoare eqhaUy acciiaiiTttd with the Dowiers : from various perfons I neard it, .but r'cannot recolleft one individual. "' ' 4^^ Did youTcnow of your own knowledge that there has been any conneclion between JMr. Dow- Icr and Mrs/Ciarke ?—.-.'. Idid notr - - '•'•- "'" ■ ■_- - Q. C-innot ^. t'^ Zntfrmrrd bySopirtvd rrtmi a ^hetrii by Jie>m]ands-an *■' - ^yr7^r?'ii^/iJc\ 2\tl'li.'hnl hr j:..^tmtAn^ . m S^rix'Tn B3l..Jpn7 2/'?i4.' Never. Mr. Smith. ^ Q. Have you net been in the iiabit of trafficking in places under Government ? A,' 1 never have trafficked for any places under Govern- ment in my life. .;-,,•.,:.„ .,... CI. In no ntuations forindia .'. ,...,■,.... .,'-.-.— yi. From Governnient. - • - •- • --- ^ Q. Appointments from' Government ?—l-i. Ne.ver--., - Q.. Or .from the Eaft* India Company, appointments that muft come under the cognizance of the Koard of Conlroul ?.,.-;.... ^^. ;[,..{.., f. ... L " ^ A. I vj?.\ be" obliged to the gentltraan if he will inform me what appointments Hiofe are. Q. Havcj you ev^roffer^^ fitnation in India for a fum ci moin-y to a Mr. O'Hara.^— J. i have/ Q. What ( 296 ) Q. Wlmt was the nature of that fituati£)iiv,^ • ' . A. A Writertliip. ... Q. W[iaL was i\Ii*. O'Hara to have given you for that tituation ? A, Three -thoufand fome oJd pounds, but I cannot fiy exactly. Q. When was this ? y}. I believe the laft year, but I do noL exactly recollec; . Q. How did that negotiation break off.' •• A. It broke otf in confeqr.ence of Mr. O'Hatras brother not dejohting the money at the banker's wiiich wa.s no- minated by the gentleman who had the difpofal of ihe ap- pointroent, or who informed me that lie had the difpofal of the appointiijcnt. Q. Did not Mr. O'Harn < tfer to depniit th.e money -in liis own banker's hand.-i, and did you not object tj that, and wilL ir to be depofited in y^ur banker's .harulsj^ in Henrietta Street, Covent Garden? • '.^. The money, Mr. O'i-Iara inforn^icd me, wiis'depc- iited in a banker's- hands in the city, I believe it-%ras Curtis and Robartsj t^e perfon who Thad'th^ 'difpofal of the appointment would Jiot confentto its remaining, there, but wiflied it flioul^ be depofited at Mellrs. Auften and ALaunde's, in Covent Garden, and in confequence of tliat the negotiation ceaftd. I did it at tile rcqireit of a lady from Dublin^ "who fen t a lettfr fa me, faying that ihe Avilhed'I could obtain for a Mr. O'Hara, v.-hofe father wa.s her particular friend, a Writerfliip to India; 1 ap^iJied to a gentleman, and he told mc he cou'd obtain that ap'poiiu- .rnent, and the ne^otiaiion broke (sff in confequence. oi their not depofuiug the m^ney at the'houfe of Auitcn and Maunde. . ■■-•■■.. - = ' -- •'•.^- Q. Wliat perfon autlioiized^yoii (o.negociatc this, ap- pointment in the Eaft iudhrCumpatiy's Service '.^-^" _ [The Witnefs was 'dire ft ed" to wkliclraw. This queftion was objcled to ; bitt, after fome dif- cuflipn, -allowed to bc: put, _ [The Witnefs was again called in and the queftion •propofed. A. Am I obliged to.c^ipofe^the name of the lady 3 if I a.ib I ceitainlv Oiall. _* ^^_ ^- .._ .. U. Was ( ^97 ) ^^. Was I ho la^ly the purchafcr, or u:i-> ll «ljrouc;h»ti.p lady yc'ii were to obtain liic app-intmeiU ol lonie Direc-{.»:.r ^ A. 'I'he lady wrote lo m., icciuefting 1 would niak • :r>- quiry, in order to , rucure ibp Wiiiirrni[) ior tliisgentlt^ man ; in coniequLnce of this I did mnke [h^ inqu ry, but do not knaw any Lireclor's n-amt coaicerned in the bufineis. Q. Of ivhoni did y ^u expe^!"!: lo receive tliis patronaLre .- A. I wasvecommenck.d by M^IIVs. AuAt-nand Maunde, to a gentleman who 'jronnfed to procure th« [>alronng( Q,. Name the gentleman. A. Mr. I'ahourdin, an Attorney, of Argyll Street. Q. Do you know from Mr. Tahourdin's connexion**, from whom he was to obtain it at tlie i.idia Houle ; A. I do not. Q. Cannot you guffs or funnlfe r — A. I cannot. Q. Upon what grounds did you deiire the three thou- fand and oidd pounds to be lodg^dj? '.•,)T'ji i , • 'f>>v^, ■ > ■A, It w;'.s to have been l)tlgeil. Tahoiiv- . din, on the youn^^enilcmaji palling asra Writer to Indta.^ Q, Did Mr. 1 ahourdin evet'^ive you reafon to beliey* that he hadthepromife.of that,nom;nation ? : .; A. If be bad not, 1 certaip.ly4hcmld not id'you«\'er apply to Mr^. Clarke for the promotion of any pcrfon in tiie Ghtirch ?. . , ;• A. *In the month of Kovember or December laft, Mrsi- Claike informed me that flie bad rery gi'eat intiacnce > I^ heard of a vacancy in tiie Giiurch, and I did apj>]y for it for a friend of mint, i.; ,. I V,, ri.>::c:!r-'-:«i, ., U. What was that vacancy ?— .4. A Deanery, Q. What Deanery ? — A. 1 heiierc Sahlbury. . ■.: Q. Did yen apply only for that Deanery, or any other ' Deanery ? . . . ^ . .»' A. tor either the Deanery ofSalisburv or Hereford*' : . ^.«This was either in November orl^ccember Jaft ? - Ji. It was. Q.' Being ( 29S ) Q. Being fo inci:wate witli Mrs. Clarke, of conrfe you were appriz^.d that at that time all conne6tion had cealeJ^ between Mrs. Clarke and his Rv.yai Highnelsthe Duke of York? A.. 1 underfrood thatbis-l^oyal Highnefs and Mrs Clarke had had no conne(^(Ion (or tliree years previous tathst j \v was not through the Duke of York's interelVit was under- Hood Jt could be obtained. Q. Through -^^h'fe intereft was it underfrood that this-- was to be obtained ; through the infinence of Mrs. Clarke r A. Mrs. Clarke informed me that llie had A^er}' good in- lereli with the Duke of Portland, and that ihe could obtain any appointmen-t. ' -;: Q. Can you intorm the Committee wriatwas to be the fecompence, fuprpofing the Deaiie}7 Uad been obtained f A. I cannot J 1 believe that it was.three tlwufand pound;! that was offered for one of tiiena by a fabfcripiion j 1 did ir to oblige a friend ^ there was a fubfcription to have been entered into by feme ladies, they did fabfcribe upwards of^ three Ihoufand pounds j as I was inftru6led, it was for the Reverend Mr. Bazely, I tbin-k that wa« the name of the gentleman ; lie was to have been agreeably furprii*ed^ with a promotion, provided it bad been carried into effcft,' but he was ou no account to know it.- Mrs. Clarke eanenes. As to myfelf, 1 imiit cf^ourie ipeak the trutii, as i fha!l be put on oa.h. Let me perfua.-^e you, it called on, to keej) to the truth, as I am convincea \()u wili ; but I mean ttie lo^oic truth, as to what has pafied formerly between yourlelfand me. — I have a thouland thanics for your being foquiet upon the one hundred and thirty; you I'lall have it the moment my Mother comes from Bath. I fear, if^ou are backward, Wardle wiUexiJuff the whole of the letters he has to the Houfe. '* Your's truly, ^ '' Saturday Evening" '^ -">/. A. Clarke." *' In order to relieve your min ', I fend my lervant, though late.'' Indorfed: *♦ Rcc. 2Sth Jan. 1S09. iaieat nighi." "Dear Sir, *' Wedneftlay Morning, Feb. lA, 1809, *' I yefterday faw Mr. Wardle; he had a letter yefterdty from your friend Glaffe, begging him not to take any bufinefs in hand, where his iiauieis mentioned ; and he asks for you alio. He was tutor to War- die. Now Mr. Wardle aflu'.es me, by every thing tionourable, that if yoii fpeak candidly and tairfy to the fact of Tonyns, he will ask nothijig more; and if he has been at all intemperate with yournam^, he-will do it every ^uftice. Take nui advice and do it; it cannot injure you. ,1 underftand your frien : Tuck, feme months ago put a friend of his in poiuflion of Tor.}n's bufinels ; and yefterday a man of the name of Finnerty gaveliim a caie, whicn, he lays, ho had from you,' of a Cap- tain Trotierand another Of cnurle you will not mention mv telling you this. 1 with from my I'.ul \jr. Wardle had taken 1: up lef^ dilpa - fionately, he might have do: le mort good. Wh\ do yT.i not fend me a line? I dare lay Clavering is hug^'ing himfelt". a. he lid not f.nd the recommenda,tion. *' Yours, &:. 3/. J.C." Mr. S. Bourne, Q. What rank have you in the AvBf»y ? A. Lieutenant. • Q. l*owlong have you been in the Avmy ? ^. I went itito the Army in the year 17/8, Q. in what Reginvnt have ycu been ? 'A. In- the Queen's Rangcr3 Q. Are ynu now i:i the Queen's Rangers } A. i entered int: the Arm)' in the year 1/78 in the 'Queen's Hangers : n confrqucnce of my fervices in the Queen's Kangers I was recommended into the ilegimcnt . - " called ( 301 ) cnllca li)C North Carolina Volunteer.'^, tiicn tii'.dor Coioni-I Uami:ton ; llie ilonourdble IMnjor Cochrane, then M.ijor lu ill'- r>ri!ith Lcoion comm md'jd by Lcutenant Colonel 'iarlfton novv Gcnt'rarrarlclon, imJuccfl me to resign my companv. in the North Carolina [Icgiment and to accept a LieuteiKintcy in the Rntish Legion under llie command of Lieutenant Colonel Tarleton, which I impuidenlly did under the promise of the iirst troop or company ih^it sl)ould become vacant in that Regimefil. I served in that llet'i. loent duiing the remanuier ofliie war, from ii,e yenr IJi^O tifl the reduciioii of the U-giment in October 17S3*, I brouaht home a detachmer.t of that !lp^:ment, and v\as ])hiced upon half-pa\ ; in consequeiice of my wound bein;;j verv bad it wa>5 impossible for me to accept a commission upon luil pay, many o( which had been r)fieie(i to me by ColoneU of different Il-cgimcnts in conscquci'.ce of thns* wounds 1 have suffered ; I am sorry to say that my sur- geon, who did attend, is gone, or he couitl explain my pre- sent sufferings, but I have suffered moie than "is conccjva- b!e for any person wiio looks well in health as I do, being lusty I have not been able to lake off my clothe* or i.e down for the last five years ; about six years from thfi^ prriod I was condned sixteen weeks under the care of iMi. Kverard Home. Mr. ISrGre^or o[ the Military Asylum, and Mr. Rivers of Spring Garden-, Mr. Asiiey Ci-oper also attended me, and 1 am now obliged to ciiiploy ti sur- geon, tnat is Mr. Carpue, either he or his assistant dresses -ujy wound daily ; in coiifctquence of the recommendations (>\ the lionourable the late Marquis Cornwaliis and Lird Moiru I was piaced in a Veteran Battalion as a ctnpeiba- tion in suiJU! degree for my expences as well as my suf- ferlniis from this wound, and through the iame ir.terest I obtained leave of absence till fiirlhcr ordus; there are numy other officcrt under similar circujDi^iai.ces m the Armv, it being the only means bv which His Royal Hish- ness U>e Commander in Chitf can remunerate their ser- vices, at least that vvbs the answer given by the Adjutant General to Lieutenant Colonel Christie of the 1 I ih \'ete- lan Batialioi), (on the strength of which I at present draw my pay) when heapphed last ycyr to have nie ftiiio\eti No. IX. Co upon ( 302 ) A:pon the lelircd list ; with respect to my provincial se-r- vices, 1 pre»uinc thc}' go tor nothing ; 1 served titteeu months in ;< Fenclbie llef^iniont at home us Lieutenant and bur- o;con ; 1 served three yenrs in the INlditia as Lieutenant and Suri^eon. and I served three years as a surgeon in an armed vesseUippidnted by the Treasuty, and 1 trust ii wiil not be thought loo much thai 1 draw the pjy ot a Lieu- tenant. 3ir. fl ard/e. — Q. You have stated that you never sent Ml my names to Mis. Ci;irke, either for promotion or tor -C\.:n mis? ions in the Army ? ./. Not till Ni)Vtfmber or December last did I ever ap- p!\ to I\lrs. CUirke tor any Commissions in the Army, cirh'.T diiectlv f)r indirect iy. Q. Do you recollect vvliat Commissions you appiieil for then to iSLs. Clarke : A. I do not ; theie were some Companies, but for whom T (l(j not rtCfdIect. Q. Do vou recollect whut vou asked Mrs. Clarke to do resp;ctitg thobe Ccmpame^ .'' A. 1 perfcctiy recoUcc! that Mrs. Clarke informed me That she haii iniere^t uith a ^re.U many gentlemen, honour- able Men5b^r^ of this House; that she had aUo great conneciior.s amongst General Ollicers, and that ^he couid jjrocure LctJcrs ol Recommendation uldch miuht acctlt - Ifrater'.ny applications that were lying bt-fore liic Duke cf York tor ]-)urcha>)t-s ol ('ommissioiis. Q. Did you sei'.d ■,u\\ Letiers of Recommendation from the Coinnranding OtTicers of Regiments in favour o'i X)ili- c«rs f(.»r promotii;n lo iNLs. Clarke? A. I sent three Letiers. 1 think, from three dili"cre::t F.'eld Ofticers, recommending gciUiemen tor purchase from. Lieutenancies lo Cminendaiiohs had not been attended to, lo acce- ler. Claike in- formiiii:^ r.ie she qould do it, I j)laced ihese recommen- dnliona in her hands for thut purpoie. Q. Liforaa ( 30.7 ) Q. Iiit'orm tlic Committee how you got possession o," ti]<)se I^ctters yourself? >/. I will ; 1 e remunerated for my tn»ubie ; this Is the frirt, however it may criminate me. Q. State what the remuneration was to have been upon e.:ch of iho-e commissions ? A. It was above three hunina wns to have paid three hundred pounds above the Kegulutioii ? A. I njean to state that both of tho^e v^fHcers ourchasini:, or. being g.jzetted^ was to make the cou"plimei)t ot three Kundrtd pounds. Q. An I il was Mr. Froome who put ihe three Commis- sions into y(jur hands ? ji. Yes, he did, under the circumstances I have alreudy related. - . Q. Had you ever any conversation with anybody but Mr. Froome respecting these commissions ? A. 1 had conversations of course with JNIrs. Claike ; I had conversations with Mr. Glassc. - Q. Who is Mr. Glasse ? . • -d(/l'he Reverend George Ilenrv Glasse. C C'2 a» Had ( "04 ) Q. Ihvy] yoti never a conversation with aiv other pei- £(.n respecting thoiiC Appointments? A. 1 tlo rot rtculiect that I had any converse f ion wii^i any person, save unci except Mr. G!as^c, Mrs. Clarke, nnd JNJr. Froocie • I do nr't recollect unv <'llier person. (^. "Do y«)U -recelk'Cl anv other transactions of thai na- l\ive ccmms; under r<>ur knowlcdiie? ^-Z. There was a Majority I think, or tuo, unHrr s;mvlar circnmstaMCes. Q. Do V<->i-» recollect whnt suir. fthcne the Ilpf^u'ation was to ha^e heei>paid on the iMfijority ? A: I do not. Q. Do you recollect any cihcr Commissions that frll ■under the samf circumvtances ? v/. I (io ^H)t reccdltct any other Cotwmi?sion but the two iM:!JorifitS, and tliose three eonnpanies. Q. Did those Majorities come from Mr. Froomc aho ? • vi. T'lfy did. Q. Did not Mr. Frof.me nt that lime tell you what re- in iLnera lion was to be given ? • .ui. It is very possible that he mi^ht. but I do not rccol- iert the remiir.eraiioi). \ ' Q. Do you know what your share of the profit was ■to he ? -i. I do not. Q. What p^rt of tlie transaeiion were you to yet ? ^^ji. I w-as to procure the letters from Mrs. Clarke; to attach them to those recommendations and men^orials, and to put them into the box at the Horse-Guards, and to let •ihem take their ch?Ki.ice ; and if they succcedecU then we were to be remunerated. - -' Q Therefore, the part Mrs. Clarke was to have acted, was either to have ^ot the recommendation backed by a Member of P.irliament. or some other pervon likely to g^ive stieiiot'h to such recommendation ? y1: 1 hat was the part. Q. \Vhal w'hs she to have had for that part ? A. She ^«ii> tr> have had, I believe, upon each of the Majorities 5(>0l. as iievirJy as 1 can recollect. Q> WhatM-a? she-io have had for the Companies ? Ji. I fort2;ele-xuclly ; but it wasciiher a hundred or more than a hundred. (2- Do you know Captaii^ Tuck ?—./. I do. Q. Do ( oOj ) (^. 1>A vnu rPCoUcct in the year IS04 or ISOj, oftcritig CHj)tain i'uck a Majority at a very low price ? -^. I renuMiibcr tbat in tlie year 1804" or I80j, Messrs. Au'iten and Maunde told mo, li)at they expected to be ap- pointed Agents to a regiment that was lo be raised by n Colonel Djilorj ; that Gonunissions were lo be obt;^ined in that It ginient,<)r some olher,and that there were many other levies lo be raised ; and that the prices in that, reginicjit were to be for an Ensigncy so miic4i ; for a l^ieutcnancy so much ; a Company so much ; and I believe that was tiie whole of the sitp>. The Colonel had the appointmtMUi ; where they weie either to raifsC so n)any men lor their Commissions, or pay a certain sum of money to theCoh- nel. 1 met Gaplaiii Tuck either in Parliament-street or Whitehall ; he had been employed by the Honourable Colonel Hanger to raise a levy, and by that had obtaioed the rank of Captain, and was then \ipon half-pay. 1 toUi him, ifiie wished to get the step cf iMajority, 1 lhouf',ht if he would raise the men, or pay.a sum of money, he miohr, giet a Majority. I never thought any more of it ti-ll I mtt Captain Tuck in the room this evening. Q. Do 30U not r^coliect naming any other person as h party in this transaction, respecting the Coramissicns that were sent into Mrs. Clarke? ji. I do not recoilecti but there may be some other persons ; I ^e of it till 1 think last Sarur»iny whs Se'nninhf, or Monday wa^ so'ennight, and then Mr. Gla^'e was excfcdin£jiv. enraged that I should have taken the iiliertv with his nan.e. Q. What induced you to miike that application ? A. The very ere^l frieiidrhip I bad for Mr. Glassr, and not conceiving that I wi:s doij'2 that which was improper at 1be time, or i would not have done it. Q. Dul you offer a thousand pounds?— y/. I #iid. Q. Ands daily, and there- fore. I u'ioucht that there was nothnMT so verv heinous in the crime ; but I cerkainly did not conceive it altoge* iher proper, Q. Howdiilyou know such transactions pass daily ? u4. I had heard ih^t such transactions pr.ssed. Q, Do you knr)w, of your ov.n knowledge, that such tran-arijons pass daily ? ■ uiA never was co;^cefned in'any transaction of that kind, save an:l except tiie business of Cap'ain Tonyn, which 1 should be l-appy> to explain; I believe 1 had also the iutro- (luciion of Major Shaw, Q. Do ( 307 ) Q. Do you recall to ynur mind the rccolicction of at^y ollici- iransaclions ul" liub kiml ? A. 1 (Id not. Q. \ on stated at tlic commmcemont of your cxaniina- tit)n, that you were not a tralFicktr in places under Goveru- inent ; do \ ou abide by that statement now ? A. Ifvouwill pernr.t tne to explain the business of Captain 'i'onvn, I biiall be obliged ; but further ihantho^e I have incnlioned, 1 have never trafficked in any places iind^r Government ; if 1 had I would not deny it. Q. Have any of those other ncgoiintjons you have men- tioned to the Committee, been canted into elTecl ? A. Not ont* throuali nie. Q. Do you know uhcthiT those negotiations about the. Companies endihe Maionties were carneJinlo efitct or noir' A. Not one ot them. - Q. Were you to receive, any reBumeraiion supposing the nepotiaiion had been etiected. — A. Cfrtainiy. Q. Do you not cull that trafficking iw places under Government ? ui. 1 will leave it for you, Gentlemen, to decide : 1 did not consider it so. Q. Are those the only transactions ofthe kind, in which you ever in your life have been concernetl? ' A. 1 believe they are. Q. lie «ure whether they are or not. A. 1 cannot be sure, because I do not recollect any other; il i did, or you will do me the favour to point out anv others, 1 will not deny them. Q. How long Ivave vou known Mrs. Clarke ? A. A knew Mrs. Clarke, 1 believe, in the year 1S05. Q. Have you kept up your acquaintance witli Mrs. Cliirke from that time to the present day ? A. 1 had not seen Mrs. Clarke, till November last, for nearly three years; rruire than two vtars however. Q You had riot seeu Mrs. Clarke till November Jast, s^nce her separation from the Duke of York ? — A. Yes. ■ Q. Were you in the habit of seeing her when she was connected with the Duke of York? A. I saw. her, 1 believe, twoorthrae timcs,.aiid that, only whtii ( 308 ) fvhen she. was connr cietl with ihe Duke of York, or at least ivhen she lived in Gloircester-place. Q, D\(\ you see her only two or ihr^e times in the course of your lifetime, before the month of November last ? -d. I presume in the couise of mv life time^ that 1 may. have seen her half a doz^n ihraes before November last, foK she lived in Burlington-strtet, at a Mr. Russel Manners^a, and I saw her there tnice. ^, At what period was that? ji. That I suppose must have been in the year I8O6, or the Jatter • end of 1^805 ; it was afttr she was separated from the Duke of York, or left Gloucester-fdare.* , Q. How did your acquaintance with Mrs. Chi rke begin ? ji, JVIy acquaintance with Mrs. t'iarke commenced in consequence of a report wh)ch had been circulated that I was the author of some scurrilous paragraphs reflecting 0:1 His Royal Higimess the Duke of York; 1 traced it to Cap- tain Sutton, an acquaintance of Mrs. Clarke's ; I endea- voured t'o trace them out, but in vain. 1. requested that I might be introduced to Mrs. Clarke to vindicate myself; I never had written a paragraph against any one of the Royu! Family in my life, and that was what introduced me to Mrs. Clarke's acquaintance. Q. You have statetl that while Mrs. Clarke resided in Gloucester-place, you saw her three or four times; did you call upon her in Gloucester place? ui, i called upon her three or four limes, it was at the house I saw her. Q. Did you goof your own accord ? A. 1 wcntof my own accord, having obtained permission to see her; I was ihrte or four months before I -could ' obtain permission to see her, so strong was the impressiou against me as being the auihl.)r of those paragraphs, that Mrs. Claike "would not see me, nor hear my name. Q. Vlow often did you see Mrs. Claike when you called at Gloucester-place ? A. 1 believe three different times. Q. When you saw Mr^. Clarke, did ycni go of your own accord ^or did she desire you to come ? ji. She r.ever desired me to come that I know of further than ( SO!) ) than one p3!Hicu1ar prrioJ, which was in ovdcr to eiiq'iire ' ' " Q. \\ iien y>JU went of vour own acconl, uiih vJiut view (lid \()T1 >e Mrs. C^lurke had desired you to in- sert themin-lhc Murning l^osl. A. I ( 310 ). A. I ilitl not carry ihera to Mrs. Clarke. I received them from Mrs. Clarke. Q, Then the thinl time you went to Gloucester-place you went to get those letters ? — A. I did. Q. Did you go thcivof your own accord, or by the de- sire of Mrs. Clarke ? A At the desire of Mrs. Clarke, I believe so ; itJs real- ly io lonfj since, that I cannot say whether 1 volunteered my services to 50 thnt day for those letters, or whether she had appointed that day forme to call for those letters ; 1 di JVlis.. Clarke fur.he.r interest for promotions ? -^ ■ ••- _• - A. N(Jt with any view to her interest with Ills Royal Highness, but.Mr;^. Clarke tad luld me thai she ha: 1.. ;-■:-:! ' Q, yVevQ the transactions of which you have spoken, the only transactions of the kind in which you have ever been' concerjied.?.. pr..,,' ''.■■>■ -^ - - ' ^^'i^-^'- '• A. I hatre answered that question repeatedly. •'•'*'''-' ';•'•• Q. Have you;ev€r;Garried on any negoiiationii rt-specling Writershjps to India, besides that uhrch ha^ been already mentioned .•' — A, 1 have. A, How (311 ) Q. How rnnnv ? — A. Que. Q. In belialf of whom ? . A. I ciianoi clutrge my memory who the young gi-nlk-man was. Q- At what time? — A. Last year. Q. 'Iheyrar 1.80S ? yi. I bL'iieve it was ; and nt was the Writership that Mr. D'Hara rcfiisftl ; that same WrireTsliip. Q- Did you siicceeci iii that negocialion ? — A. I did. Q. What nioney was paid in coiisc qui-nce of thnt : A. i do not recollect ;but 1 belicvo it v.as thret thousand five hundred pounds. Q, What did you receive in con^c-qTietice of vour exer- tions in that nogociation? — A Twohundrod and hity pounds. rQ. Trom whom did you receivi' that money ? ^. From Mr. Tahourdin. Q. 'I'o whom was the other sum of three thousand and odd pounds paid ? A. To Mr. Tahourdin, I presume, hiit I was not preseat at the receipt of the money. Q, Dj yvu now recollect on behalf of whom that nego- ' ciafion wascarried into effect ? »^^ •^-.. .: - r-»-. \A.-^o,l •• . 'A. I do not recollect any other; -^ •'* '* Q. Are you certain that you liave not been concerned iii~'. V any'transaciions of this kind ^ ••»:?•..•<• A. I am not certain ; but 1 do not recollect any olheV. 1 do not bflieve I have. ' i' -* ^s\'u. iit.{\^>3 v ••• Q. Are you certain thaf you have not been coricerrl^^'" ^ in any transactions of this kind? - ' ' ''"'■''•'' -'*--* - •*- A. \ co\i\d almost suy I am-; but I wiU-rfcJtr"'; -"^^M \^ Q' Ilbveyoue^erhad any part in negociitihg^aTaHet-'^' ship ? ., ° i;jr..[2r.:=:. ^.1 I". . ( 312 ) A. I do not recoiirct ai-y Ciidctship that I ever have, Q. If ycu are not ii) iht' hflbitOf concerning yourself in nialteis of this sort, it is very exuaordinary that you should not ncollect : try to recol-lecl whether you have had auy. concern for negociating for Cadetships ? ' '^ A. I <]o not r^'collect ; 1 may have appljed, but I da not , recollect pafsinjj any CiKiet. ^ Q. Do you make u habit of dealing in things of ihb na- ture ? A. r itave made no further habit of it th;.n ihat uhichl have a!rea(}y stated. Q. Have vou ever haH anv concern in a nrfrociatitm for procuring; a situaliron in tlie Custom-IIouse ? A. Mrs Clarke infornntd me that she had interest through which she could appoint a Cullector ofihe Customs and several others.- I mentioned it to a Gefiileman, not with a view to brin^ it to my own interest at all. Q. When was this ? A. In November 01- December. ^Ir. \Vardle can in- form you. ^ (2. Vou have stated that you concluded a n^gociation through Mr. Tahourdin tor a Write r^liip to India ; eisdea- vour (o recollect the niune of the young Genllen)an that was appointed ? . A. 1 cannot, for I do not knoAV tliat I ever knew him. Q, Cannot yoH, when you return lo your oflice, find out 'the nsme and brin^ it to this Committee? yl. I have no-oflice. Q. Cannot you when you return home tnyoiir own house, look into your books and find il^e name of the you»ig man ? A. 1 cannot, fur I keep no books ; I am not confident Ihdt I ever knew the name of the young Centlen)an. Q. Have you no memorandum or slip of paper ? : ^A. I haverione by which I can trace it. Mr: O. Smith. — Q. Cannot you ascertain by wh.it di- rector the young man was appointed ? Ai I cannot, fori never knew. Q. Do.you know that any Director, who takes monej ■for an-iippointmcnt of this nature, breaks his solemn ^aiti '' • whick ( 313 ) wUich 1)0 (akt s when he enters into the service of liie E;ibt India C )mpany ? -■/. I Dresuine a Director may dispose of his card for a. AVriter!-hip, or a Cndetcy, and it may be sold, and ihe Di- rectors know nothing, and receive no emolument, confiiiing to a Genileman (hat he would not suspect of doing so. Q. In what year was this r A. It was I believe last year. Q. To vhat ['residency was it ? — A. I do not kno'A. Q. Vou have said that you once made an application to Mrs. Clarke in favour of Mr. Glasse, without the know- ledge or privity of Mr. Ulasse; if the application in favour of Mr. Glasse had succeeded, by whom was the money to have been given for it ? — A. By me. Q. Did you mean to pay it yourself out of frienul in the West Indies, and the situatUMi that she pointed out nl home, one was in the Commissariat, I believe, which ihe ^aid she could obtain; and the other was that of Landini^ W'aiter. 'J'hose were the situaiioiis she tirst proralseU, which she snid the Duke of Portland was to have given to her. Out of those Commissions it was itiat she wa,s to have been paid. No. IX. Dd ^ Q. h ( 3U ) Q. Is the Coir.nnitee ro understand that ih(-5P Ci)imiiis- si<;iis, <.f which \(ii iaave ii< \v been talking, are iresh Com- missions, the advantaye derived frcm which was to repjiy the one thousand pounds to be paid ior the Deanery ol Mr, Glasse ; or is the Commitiee to understand that the advan- tfige proceeding trom the Caj)ta!ncy and the Majority btlo.re- nifntioned were to pny it ? A. From the Ccmmij«ai iiit appointment and the Landini? ^Vai:cr; not from li:e Captaincy and INIaioritv. Q. Then this Landing Waiter and C-ummissariai are new appointments? A. They are new transactions. Q. Not before stated to the Committee ? yj. 1 forgot to state them to the Committee. Q. At the outset of your examination, you stated, that y(;u never had trafficl-ctd, directly or indirccilv, for any places under Goverr.mcnt ot any description ? A, 1 never carried any into efTcCt. Q. The words " carried into efi'ect" were not put in ; you have now enumerated not less than nine situations fur which you have carried on negociations; you also stated, that you liinught the crime wi-.s not so heinous, because you knew the practice to bedaiiy tiiking place ; what practices do you al- ludeto which you knew were daily taking place P j4. ,The disposal of Commissions, I believe, has been ge- nerallv reported to have taken place ; but I know noi any which took place which 1 had ho coHuection or concern with whatever. Q. Do you know of any transactions so taking place, with which you hahe menlioncii the name of Mr. Wariile also, nut as the person that would recommend, but as the per- son who knew others that she should make acquainted with the circumstance. Q. What other persons, besides Colonel Wardle, did flhe mention as knowing 01 these matters ? A. Not as knowing, for the told me, she should tell Co- '* r.elWardle. Q. You said Colonel Wardle amongst othersj who were iheothers? A. She mentioned, that she should acquaint Colonel "Wajdle, or mentioned his name upon the business, Mr, Barham. Q. Who was the person with whom you riegociated in the last transaction to which you have allud* c(i, with respect to the Wrilership ? A. Mr. Tahourdin. Mr. Dundas. Q. You stated that it wns through him the money was paid, was he the only person with whom you negociated ? A, lie was the person who procured the appointment, but from whom 1 cannot say» Q. Wiis he the only person with whom you negociated, or had an) concern or deaMng in this transaction? A. The Gentleman who obtained ihe introduction for his vounii fr iend, of course I negociated wnh also, as I introduced ihem together; I\Ir. Tflhourdin aiid that (Tenlien)an, I really cannot tell the Gentleman's name, tor I do not recql.K^ct.it; but I daresay Mr. Tahourdin would furnish me with his name. Q. State to the Commiitce whether yon first ajiplied to 3Ir. Tahourdin. or Mr. Tahourdin to you ? A. I diti n-tapply to Mr. Tahourdin; he was recom- meiwled to me ia consequence >«>f a letter I had irom a lady in Dublin, to procure^ a Writerbhip for Mr. O'Haia. Q. Who recommended Mr. Tahourdin to you ? A. Messrs. Austen' and Maunde recommended him to mc;. * ' -i'-.^r ; ^. Do you know whether that Writership was. the.sub- pct of any'Advcnibcment in the Newspiipers ? A. KqJ: ( S17 ) yt. Not at all tli;il I know of. Q. Not being a traiTicker in places, but yet having a cer- tain lenilcncy to necocialc them, ainJ t-^ take a pecuniary ad- vaniaize by them, hovv come you not lo ap|>iv to Mrs. Clarke while she had an acquaintance with His Ko^al Ilighiies-,, but to apply afk;r that had ceased; and when her connection with rlie Ddke of Portland and Members oi this House w as a little more distant ? yi. 1 have already explained that business; it was merely the ctTtct of chance ; Mrs. Clarke s<>nt forme, and proposed the business to me; it was not ine effect of my application. Q. At what number in Argyle-street does Mr. Tahour- d;n live ? -^. 1 do not know, hot His name is upon the door. C?- Did Mr Tahourdin receive the nomination ofWrf- tership immediately from ihe Director, or througii the me- dium ot a third person ? A. I ntver asked Mr. Tahourdin from wh jm he procured It, or hoAv he procured it. Q. Is tie lady, wKo applied to you on behali of Mr, O'Hariu an acquainu.ru^e of youi^s ? • ^i. She is. Q. You have stated, that you saw nothing of Mrs. Clarke from the mh.dle of the year 1S06 till U-i Novem- ber ; was that interruption in your intL-rcourse occasioned by any difference that you had together ? ' A Not I he least. Q. What was it owing to? A. r>ecau^e I had no acquaintat]ce with Mrs. Clarke An thvr than 1 have a re.idy stated : I never saw her more ih.;:: t> ur nme«< pvi'vn u> lo her st-p.irauon from his Royal Uighnes, tilt Duke of York. The witness was directed to withdraw.* The Cha.ncell*. r of the .Exchf^quer proposed that ' they should proccca no farther at present, but that they should resume the proceeding next day, which was agreed to. ' ' D d 3 Coloha ( 318 ) Colonel Loraine. the Executors of Burkitt the SI1-. vers mith,, and others, were ordered to attend. After the House resumed, Mr. J. Smith proposed that Mi.Tabuurdin should be cjllcd to the Bar ; but this was overruled on tiie su^f^estion of the Chancel- LOR of the ExcHhOUER, who said that his arTairdid not relcJte to the Duke of York's business. He further men- tioned that he had it long in contemplation to propose a law to prevent this practice of jobbmg, making the appo'iitments void, and subjecting those who cngaiTcd in such transacti .n<^ to punishment, as in cases ot mis- demeanor. But if Mr. Smith chose to make this t laffic in writerships the subject of mvestigation by a Com- mittee up staiis, he ^sould have no objection. Mr. Smith, in consequence, gave notice that he would ■move to that eifcci. Wiih respect to Mr, Williams, Mr. Lcwten was called to the Bar, who said, that i:-: tial reason to be- lieve that this Williams was derar. ^eJ ; and this being in some measure confirmed bv Mr. Ke.irick, he was or- dered to be dischargee out of thecusiod) ot the Serjeant at Arms without paymcni of fees. The Chairman was directed ro report progress, and a-k le'cive to sit again. They adjourned at fou: o'clock in the mcrni^r^ till next day. On Friday, February lo. ^ Mr. Ward L I. moved the Order of the Day for the Kou-^e resolving itselt inio a Committee to examine the chafes against his Koyal Highness the Commander in Chjef. '[Mr. Wharton in the Chair. J Mr. Wardle rose and observed that " the first circumstance to whicli he wished to call the attention of the Conimiftee, was a statement in one of the letters from Mrs. Clarke, about his having got information fr( m Mr. Finnertv about a Major or Colont;! Tucker. When he was examin- d he stated, that except with re- spect to the affair of Majur Hugan, he had never had any / 319 ) any communication with Mr. Finnerty, cxcqot once the lobby of the House of Cotnm^na, when he made some commuiii.Mtion relative ro Dr. I^h'ynne. This he repeate^l, for he certainly die) not recollect havinffgot any otlier informer ion from Mr. Finnerty. The name of Tucker might have been meniioned to him, but of that he had no recolleciion. It was most disagreeable to him therefore, to hear the eterxial insinuations that he had got his inforrnation from Mr. Finnerty. A Petition h id been presented by his Right Honourable Friend bclo-.v, from Mr; Finnerty, praying that he mjght be called to the' bj'r, and be should be glad if that request were complied with — that such insinuations migi:t, if possible, be put an end to. He coulci not help also adverting to the attack made upon him by his Right Honourable Friend * the other night, as if he > ha.i been acquainted with improper persons.. Of .con,- spiracy he knew nothing^— ^he "did norknow to whom l^is RighVHonourable Friend aill tided," and requested of him to name them. He was acquainted with nobody whom h'e* would" be ashamed td"o\<*h — atid'MF he knew of arfy conspiracy^j he trusted ht: wa^ .too well aware of '-his duty to suffer it to rest witl)OUt'a£nouncing itsauthoris. After what his Right Honoiir^ble Friend' .had said, -he W5S not surprised that, a Ministerial pritit sliouTd have taken up. the point, and said that he was the accused . instead of the accusCT.' If his RTght Honourable^Friend would name any one whom he imagined to 6e'tngagd4 in conspiracy; or giving false'iiifbrmatioti, he would as- sist him in every means that could properly be used "in order to investigate the subject. ^ 'Another point'>to whfch he wished to call the'iticnt^orJ of*{hpt^omnniuce,, respected the witness^ Mis^TaVlpr. '\F/6m the rrio^e of examination adopted by 6ne 'Geh^ldmany'a'nL impr^s'- sion,^he believed, of a very 'unfouhddct naxi^e'iri/ght. preN'ali with respect t^her. li'.W'^s^his du^'tostatc all I v. ^ he ( S20 ) he knew respecting that witness. He was fold, and he believed, tiiat she was the daughter of a GenrTeman— he was told, and he believed, that slie had two brothers in the army, and one in the navy. When he yesterday told her that it would be necessary for her to appear at the bar ot the House — she said, that '* if she was called upon she jpnust speak the truth, though it would ba-the ruin of her dcaresi connexions" under these circum- stances he was desirous" — ...--■ Mr. LoCKHART in replying, to order, observed that ** it was very irregular locomment in thisjnanne? upon the character of a-witness ma speech, and not by way of evide-nce.'rj . ,r . . . Mr- Wardle ** hoped after what an Honourable Gentleman * said, while examining this wirness, he might have been allowed simply to stale what he knew respecting her/'. T^^e Chancellor ofnhe Exchequkr observed, ^' that if it wasr^ermitted to make a long harangue up- on the testimony of witnesses immediately^u^.ori the examination of each, this would lead into a debate and there would Jk^e no end of the proceedings, , and the Gentleman woiild have a full opportunity of com- menting upon the credit of the witness, when the whole .'•f the -evi^deuce .was before the Commirtee, when it would come much more properlv than at present." ' Mr. Sheridan rose and remarked, that whateve? • it regularity .there might be in the latter parr, there could be none ;in. the commencement of his Honourable , Friend's observaiions. — It had been suspected that he ■got his information from improper persons, or such, as some Gentlemen conceived to he improper persons, and ashisHonpujable Friend had observed, that scime -su-'plcion attacl>ed to Mr. pjnnerty, he had said that he sboulifbe gui4«):.havc.Mr. Finnerty called to the bar. ' V-; ' Mr. Wakdxb .upon this gave up the point.. He then "♦ Mr. 'Bereiford. " ' ' •' 'V . . stated, ( ^'il ) iJtntcd, that as the Iv^rtcrs of Mr. Donovan to Mrs. Clarke' hnd been tlie subject ot observation, he hdd them in his pocket, and was readv to c;ivc them in, i£ sucli should be the desire of the Committee. He alsc* adverred to the messnge which his Right Honourable Friend, * had sent him, with respect to his founding these charges on the evidence of improper persons ; and declared that he had never received any such mes- sage. Mr. Shepidan in answer said, " that no Member In the House could be more readv to avow his sentimcn^j and principles than he was. He did not make an attack on his Honourable Friend, but stated what was fair and just. The friendly caution which he had sent him was not received by the Honourable Gentleman — he knew. But he had never usred the word ** conspiracy, or con- spirators." He had been roused by^a request, tl^t one of the charges might istand over till a witness had re- turned from Jamaica— because this was altogether.un- necessary, since Colonel'French and Captain Sandgn were so identified, that the evidence of the latter. was perfectly sufficient without that of the former. As to his saving that his Honourable Friend had received his information through improper channels, his Honoura- ble Friend, when he required that they might be nam- ed, placed him in rather a difficult situation, because some of the pensons to \^' horn he alluded had not been examined. His Honourable Friend had very honour- ably cleared Mr. Finnerty, and done him justice. .But when he had heard that his Honourable Friend was rabotrt to exhibit serious charges against the- Comman- der in Chief on the information of Mr. Mac Calluni, the author of a pamphlet against the Duke of York ; when he heard that he was proceeding uport .the infor- mation of Mr. Cockayne and 'Mr. Donovan, the exa- mination of the latter last night shewed that he had • - • ■ , * Mr, Slieridu^i. some ( 322 ) some rcas>on tor wisiiing that his Horiourahle Fritj^iid should be cautious. He. however,, gave tuil credit to thepuntv of liis Honourable Frieiiii's motives, and had endeavoured to .prevent tlie Hou^e trcni making a run against a person, vvIjo had the spirit singly and alone to undertake a business of this m.-^cjnitude. He assurrd his Honourable PViend, however, that he would go on with this affair without prejudice or- parcialuy, and that no rank or station should, in iiis mind, oppose the free course of justice." Sir Arthur Welleslf.y felt it his dutv to say a few words, as he understood that his late worihy friend Co-^ lonerXucker's name had been mentioned. *' Cohuicl "I'ucker," he said, *' had performed great services to his country. Hehad twicebeen enea^jedin active service un- der Sir David Baird, and once under Sir Samuel Auch • muty,on all.wkich occasions he had highly distinguished himself. When under his command in Portugal, he had also performed the most essential services, and hadgi- ven him such assistance that, on his return, he had felt it hisdmy.fo represent his conduct in the most favourable light to fh^" Secretary of State.'' Mr. Wardlf. declared he never meant the most rJi'stam- imputation upon the conciuct ot that gallant Officer, nor 'had he any personal knowledge of him whatever ; he had oniv mentioned his name as connect- ed with one of the transacti( nswhich were thesubjectof inquini'. He then desired to know, *« whether it was the pleasure ot the Committee that the letters of Mr. Do- novan fciioultl be' read ^" Lord Folk STON« suggested that they ought to be gi- ven in, jtsihey M'ere :ma{cnaily connected with the cre- ole i^ift " ot tl>e Duke ot Portland ; can j^-ou procure it for ihc Kpv. " G. H. Glassc ? I would luvsell, ullI^tl()wn lo him, uivt- o:iv; •' thousand pounds tor it. li tnusl bi- Hllcd by next Saiurdar, " atl'ja^t, so a gentlftm-.m, who hcis just given int- the iafor- " malion,said. Mr. G. is luj most particular tiiend, and I '' \vould iniike great tacnfi. et; to serve him; he is not m " tofvn atpresint 1 can witU confidence nisure you he is a • *t very good scholar, a man ol' pood loituiu-, and an extra- " vrdlnani kind f'rjenJ, of excellent connections, will ]iVii." ""' *' Some friends of the Rev. T. Baseley, M.A. are extremely ♦* desirous of procuring for h.in prom-.tion in the Ciiurch ; " and it appears lo th*.'m a A'ery (avourabie oppoi tnnity, ihc <' vacancy' of ihc De.mery ot Salisbury, to make a]>pliCdiion " to the DuVe cf I'ortland ; and in crdcr to secure an mierest " without his knowlcdgf, a parly of Ladies, at the head ply for it. I hopfe 3011 ■«' will procure it for Mr. H.nry I ohm, the g-ndeinan y.iu ♦' w«'re so good to say you would serve when an opportur.ity '♦" (diereil. 1 will do myself the pleasure of -vvailini: on you " v»lienevi r you will ap|K)inr on the subject. Can vou procure " the I'rttiu.isifcrship Lu a stcund lj:>i(alton, frfivt: hundred " pound : " Your's verv truly •' J. d6novan.'» ♦« Mrs. Ciaike^"" - / '* .Dec. l-iih, 1808.'* *' Deak M;m)am, ' ■ ^ '* I rrgret much that I had not the pleasure to see you on •■"■ 8aivirtl/?v evei.ing. It was the otdy time I had been out *' since Tuesday, and I have iUtUied con^ideiably in conse- " qiienre, from n»y wound. ■ *' 1 MUi daily applied to for the particulars of the appoiiit- " nunt at Savannah Li M4rr. Is it a Surveyorof Customs " and Lundiug Waitei.' is Llie jJalary one ihousand three imndred ■( 327 ) " fniiid cil l»oiMie to you ? .-y. Not any thing. Q- Arevoii pnsiine that no other person h^is spoicen to vou un-die subject ot the evidence yuu gave here, ov yow to them ? A. 1 met Ludowik in llie I-.nk,and he asked me; he' said that 1 niiuht be mittaki.-n, yel he could not recoilt-ct anv thing about it. Q. Was that all that passed between you and Ludowik ? A. It was all that passed briueen iiim and me, except he said that 1 inubt make a tn!^tilko; that there was a bill brought down oriv n;orning, ui his presence, of ten pounds by Mrs. Favourite, and given to a ^^irl to go out and get chansf : and he thou;2,lit 1 must have made a mistake a bou I that bill. Central Luflwi. — Q. Did not you iitake a communica- tion to Mr. Wardle, or spjak to him, to say that you wish- ed to alter your evidt-nce ? A. I called upon Mr. Wardle, and tfild Mr. Wardle, about the bill that I received from Mrs. Clarke, and went and got change for, and returned that night, in the presence of the Duke ofYoik; 1 told !\lr. Wardle that I had done that. Q. What was the amount of the bill you got change for ? A. I ihmkone hundred pouncis but 1 am not certain. Q, Do vou aoher-e to )oui- h-rmer statement, Uiat you bad spoken to no person on this subject since you were e.\amii:ed in this House ? A, 1 have not sp(>ken to any person since I was examined. . * Q. Wh. re did you get that bill changed ? A. I g(Jt it changed at Mr. iiyfield's and Mr. Bridge- man's ; Mr. Bridgeman and his wile changed it for me, confectioners in Vere-street. . Q. Are Byherd and Bridgcnian partners ? A. I believe they are. Q. Did }ou try to get that bill changed at any other place ? A, Yes; I went to Mr. Stevens's in Bund-street, and tried trieii there, but they conl.i noi do it for inc ; liiey sent out; ttit coiilil net tlo It tor iiu'. Q. IKiw long have you It-U Mr>. Clarke's service? -4, It is three years ngo now. Q. 1 lave }0U seen her Irtqut-nlly since you qiiitteJ her service ? ji. 1 never saw her before Isaw her at this House. Q.Did not vou i't'eMrs.Ciaike in her chariot a dav or two before you j^cive your cvitlence at this bur, or on the veiy day in wtiich vou ouve \oui f'.-inier cvioencc ? A. The ijay before sJie sent for me into Baker-streei, wliere she was in her carriage, to ask mo, whether ever I had cliangcc) any bill, or knew any bill charjged ; I said, I rt'Collected Mrs. Favouritt- giving a bill to Luiluwik, and his eoin2; and fretting the bill chansied, and bringinrr il back ugain ; and how I had taken a bill horn her the night the Duke ol York went to Weymouth, and got her change, and brought it back again ; she asked mc the amouK-t of it, and I could not tell her; and she said she recollected that very well. Q, Have you made any communicalion to Mrs. Clarke since that period, or do you know how it was communicated to her ihttt you meant to alter your evidence ? A, I have not seen or made any inquiry or any thing to Mrs. Ciarlre. -'.-•> . ' Lord Folkstone, — Q, How do you nccount for the cir. cumstance, that at your hist examinationyou did. not recol- lect the pnrticularK whicii you i-ave now related to the Ce-mmrttee i A. I had a very bad head-ach, and when > I have the IiPad-ach It affects my memory, that J am very foriietful, and I did not think of it ; ami at the same lime, when I was asked about the Duke's Fervant, I thought I must not answer, as I, was Mrs. Clarke's servant ; or I had though'S of it then, but as 1 was not asked, I wishtd rather to withdraw. Q. Are you labouring under that sufferirjgat the present moment ? — A. Not now^ Chamcliur uf the linhequer, — Q. Then it was not merely frwiii ( 334 ) from the ck-fect of memory occavioned by y-'^nr hcad'acp thai you did not &taie itic circuinbiancc oii }otir former exam ina lion ? -i. ^ es, It was fri m that that 1 did not recollect it; being a sirangt-r, and ntver at ihe iiur betore, 1 did not know whai to say. Q. Did you recollect at tbe lime that you were here betore, whai you have stated ? -•/. I had son^.e recollection, bnt I couM not tell the sum ol the bill, or any thiiii]; ; but i have bincc recollected tiial I btlie\e the bill 1 chang^^il that night at eleven o'clock wai one hundred pounds or tliereabouts. Mr. Ediu, — Q. Did vou know before you came to the bar ihib evening, that vou were to be rt;-exiuuiijed uptTi tuis point ? y/. No, I did not. Q, \)o 3 ou recollect what time of the night it was that the Duke of York set off to Weymouth, on the niiiht this was changed ? • A, Near one o'clock in themorRing. Mr, Fuller, Q. Did you not know whrn you were tbe last time at this .bar, that you were to tell the truth ? ji. I have luld ihe truth, to the best of my knowledge. Air. Barham desired the tv;o first questions, and the answers thereto, to be read. They were read ac- cordingly. 3Ir. Barham. Q. How could you state that you had spoken with nobody on the subjeci of the evidence you. have given before, when \ou immear^itt'ly aflerwatds dc- clareil you had spoken both with Mr. Wardle and Ludo- wik ? • A I did not ihlirk what I said then. Mr. Verekrr. Q. How do you leconcile your memory, being so perfect in every other part of the lrunsaclion,,and iiotso [;orfect as to the am«)unlof the note you got changeii? yj. I anj not certain of the amount of tne note, no furtber th«n I think, to ihe beht of my recollection, it was one hundred pounds. . ^^i'^ Unulli, J\Ir. Smuh. Q. Do y(ui know a M^is 'fu\ior ? .7 1 M;'.vi' btTn her al >irs. Clailvt.'>. (^f Was ^:.L f.ccjiicml v ut Mrs. Clarke'? r* .7 Slie \\;is irccjiieiuly at AJ is. Ciarke\s. CJ. N\ ;ts bhf ever tln'ie uIkmi ihe Duke of York nai the If, aii'l in his C(ni)|).>tiiy ? A. I brlievf not. 1 (Jo Hot recollect to have seen her in his coinpanv ; ^heiniirljt hnve been in tht* hou^o. Q. Wa* she uvriaily part of the socieiv when the Dakcof "\ iirk w;«s (here :' A. I never !saw htM- in coin[)any with the Duke of Vork. Q. W:is -he very intimate with Mi b. Claikt-' ? A. 1 behevc Vi ry intimate. Mr. D. Giddy. Q. Arp your hca-i achb of such a na- ture as to requirp in;vas again called in, and eiiamincdj 'in? • ''Mr. GiJdu. Q, Are your head-achs such as to require medical aid ? — A. No. Mr. Lvshington. Q. What did you understand to be the reft) profession of" Miss Taylor ? A. i am quite a stiwiiger to it. ' Lotd Tolk^tone. Q. Do you ever recollect MissTavlor dining in company with ^^Irs. Clarke at Gloucestur-place ? A. Yes, I do.' • ^.Did the Dukeevpr flinethereat the same limt? — ^. No. -■-: [The Witness was directed to withdraw. [Brigadier General CLAVKRING having stated to a Member of the House, that he was desirous of being examined, Bri- * Mr. Bjrlinin, ( Si I / ) i>rigadier Genernl CLAVERING ums called ii^ antd Examined />• the Ccmmitfcr, as toliows : /lHorneu Genciu!. Q. Have youbctit a IcLicr to me llirt* ovnins; ? — A. I did ><:. Q- D'siniig that you inic:lit l;e (.'Xfrmined ? — A. I did ^o. Q. Wiioidul you (irblkuow Mtb. Clarke ? A. 1 i)clieve itwas ubout six ytais ago ; lam iiotexactlv precise as lo the date. Q. For what purpose did you call at I-.Irs. Clarke's house recently ? A. It ' was rn ronsequcnce of a report that I heard, that every peibr)n in town wiih whom Mrs. Clarke had over had any conversation, was to be called before tiiis Honourable House lor tiie purpose of pledging lo her v^ racity, anil i lieard among others thai my name was intro- duced ; 1 accordingly addressed a lettrr to an iJonourabie Member of tliisJlouse, Colonel Wardle, a copy of which ieiicr 1 hav(^^jn ujy pocket, if it-js necessary to [)roduce it..; - [General Clavering read the letter.] r • . . '. -*»Sin, ■ • '■ -■ '"' " ^thFeb.'' '• It lias been itUinnicdto me, that a leUer hxs ijeeii ad- " drei»se(l If) yuu by Mr^».C. wliidi is.t* bo Uroaght lor^^anl " hefoic- tl'ie' Hou'-e of Cuihitioiis, wherein luy ijaiuc is inlrn- " ducc i asbcii'i! capable, union? «;*!jers, ot 'piakiiiff lo iier " yeraLTt^i.'. Sljoultl this be ^ he easL-, lam mosi urgeally lo ** rtqu«'si til. it my n-'ine ni?y l^e cxpiritred froiu ihe said l^C- " ttr. ^ My tctlimuri^ , moreover, wouid mar th« very p( iiit ' '-^'^ wliicn she is desirous of supp'Ttint:. since she told mt-Tjrj '"'••^■JirtdV ihatsht^ "wj.s living wiih Mr. IMelljsh ; since, being u *' fainilv nniu, the world wuu1d be inclii)ed toattribuie impro- " per m)tivc»lur my acquaiiitance with a lady in her s.tua- ." BcnifT pariicularly anxious in tlii$ business, I wish to lisve- " the hoiu »ir of so( inc; you n[>on it ; and prcsumirm that twelve, " to-morr.iw will not be i,n uicoavcnieul hour, will wail Qu «« you at thai time." I accordinoly. at twelve yesterday, did call upon Mr. No. X. " ' F f Wardle, "VVardte, and I slHted to him the purport ot th« letu-f whuh I have liP.d tlie li-uiiour ot ztadiii^ to you; aij sumroon me ht'lore thf House, my tcslimoiiy must err- taiiil}' go to imneacli her veracity.. I>ecause it is not above a month since that she absolutely stated lo me that she was livin" with a Mr. Mellibh. On tnv return, after ieavin'"' Colot el Wardle's house, it lav m m\' wav to pass by Mrs. (Jiarke's door, and it occurred to me that probably it might be a service also to state the same circumstance to her; 1 called there, and she deniei! herself, and said that stie was extremely ill in bed, but th it if I would call in two hours, she would sec me, ; I rephed, that it would not he m ni) power to call at that l.me ; she then sent me word she was to be seer at home at five o'clock, if I called :U that time'; I accordini^ly did call about a quarter after live, and did r.ot see her : the purport of 'it was to inform her, that if sheriid call me, I should be- under the necessity of slalmf" wtiat I have now had the honour t)f stating. [The Witness was directedto wirhdrav/. Mr. Bank IS took the liberty of reminding the Right Honourable and Learned Gentleman, th 't t'e Committee could net as yet admit of any knowledge on the part of the witness of the former evidence of Mrs. Clarke. It was then suggested that Mrs. Clarke's evidence should be referred to. The part of the evidence of Mrs. Clarke referred to^ liaving been read, Mr. Adam declared, that there did not appear to be the slightest contradiction between the testimony of Mrs. Claike, and that of General Clavering. ' ■ ■-■ fThc Witness was again called in.j Q. Is there any thing else which yc-u wish to slate to the House? * Ibe first answer to this was, " II I ii)ay rely on tiie reports in tfae M 'riling Papers." Here the Cliairinan iiiirrtered, and said, " I anr to inlorni the'^^Uuesi th.il it is coiitriuy lo the usnge (>f lliis ' ' Kuusc 10 bIiuvv any rtfTcuees of tlie descri|>tioii allided toby liini." ( 339 ) A. ir I may jiulr;e from the- accuracy of what f have benni, I understand my name was further brou^liL Jorwanl hist night, as having alt('M.-pttvhic!i he then gave his -ore. Atcorneii'Gditral. Q. Did y<^u ever represent, (Iir.t \ou had influenced that person to give his vole upon that oc- casion ? — A. Never. Mr. Sheridan. Q. Did vou exert yourstdf to briniz up liOrd JohM Campbi-ll frc^m ScotinnH, to vote upon (he De- fence Bill, towards the latter end of 1805, or the h^ginnmg ■of 1806? A. 'I'd the best of mv bidicf nnd recollection. I never \v/ot^ to him nor spoke to him uj)on the sul)ject. Q. Did yi:u at any time during your acquaintance with Mrs. Clarke, promise to send her recommendations of any oliicGis ? ■ A\ 'Never ; but it nil! he neccsssry to eNphiin i!.e an- siver lh;u 1 pave ther.- r.;i>fj fLiily. .\biut s:.n werks 41;^,) I recfiv^d .; k-iie:' ir. \\\ .Mi^. (.\r.i !■;■.'. st ilmt^ hi r in'cii- Jialiun to 'rt'fcJ. inn ; i called Mijxmi iier, when she lolormed me bhe was eNtremely anxious to pi onujte a youn^ man wi^o •was a Lieutenant m the VOih Regimt. wlien she had appoint- ed that lime tor seeiiig vu^, ;Q, Did yoa leave any message purporting what was the nature ofyiur visit to her ? A. I leti' MO m«»ssage whatever/ ^ut that which I have had the honour of staimg. Q, I undersiand you to say, that you impeach the cre- dibilily of the tesiimonv of Mrs. Clarke, upon the i^rouml that she represente.i herself to be living with a Mr. .Mel- lish ; did she represent herself to you as living wiih .Mr. Mellibh the iMember for Mtddlejex ? A. 5:rhe did not sa^ that he was the Member for Mid- dlesex. Q. Have you any, and what reason to suppose that she did not live under the protection of a Mr. !Mtdlish ? A.. That whicli paased in this h-onournble House a fevv evening"^ past ; it was proved that she did lot live with Mr. Meli^sh. . •» * Horc the Chairman added, " The obj«ct rtf this qiifslion is to Iccrii whether you know the person who wrot-. the Icilir :" Ff 3 ( 342 • ) Q. Then I understaR\\ has she in:]po>e(l uponyoii ? A. By.havii;g iiifoinuti lu- ^iiut thct was under the pro- tection ot Mr. iMclb-h, which i understand not to be the Q. How do 3^0'i understand tlyit not to be the case ? A Fr(;:ii its ap;^ -""'i'S to have been proved to the con- trar' t-vft-r. ihis i»..iK-u; abiO House. Q. li ivt you.inyo:her ieHS(;ns whatever, ihan iho.se-you lave itaitd, to t)elie\e ihut she has imposed upon you ? A. None, ( 343 ) A, None, that I am at present aware of. 3i/'. Charles Dundas. — (^.Ilavc you not ^tatecl in evidence to tins Conimiltee,iSat i)lu' lias imposeil upon you by staling:; that there was a laibe lelter written to you in the narue of Sumner ? A. It" I ani corrocl in my recollection, I did not state this esenin-:' thai she haaction~pt that nature ? •' ■ >'' -'/. N'MU', to my ceriuin kiiovs ledge, ' '' " Q GiveVi d-M"' ct 'Ami pobinvi- ans\vi r to that q-ueitiotv, A.' 1 do. n«n- kn(v»* (>t ««iy iran>suc[ion of his place,\vas examined as follows ; .' Q, Win- your Lordship state every tiling >oii are at-- quaintftd \K\iU as to an application from the Htv.Mr.Base- iuy to the Duke of Portland ? A. Mr. Cabeley called upon tlie Duke of Portland or\ the 3(J of January, not bein^ able to sec him, left this Let- ter, which the Servant gave to my noble Relation; it is dated >J® 9, Norfolk-street, Grosvcnor-bquare. [The Marquis read the Lelter.] - -• " M^' LoRn DcKE, *' Xor/'Iji-sfred, Groive7i(rr>-s^vare^" '* I wished particularly to seej'Oiir Grace upon the rnost pn- ** vate business. I cannot oe fully open by Letter. The ohi'ri •*'is, to solicit your Grace's recoir.mendation to tli«> Deanery uf " Salisbury, or some other Deanery, fur which the most aniple " pecuniary remuneration I uill instantly give a ,draft to your •* Grace. ".,..-• '♦ For Salisbury', Three ThouPanH Pound*;. — T Ti'6:)C voiir " Grace will pardon this, and instantly commit tiiese -lines to "the flames lam now urting, for the benefit of Adminij,- " tration, a most interesting: Painphlet. Exercise this openness • "and I remuin 5'onr Giace's " I\iost obedient and obliged Servant, ' " T. BaseJy." " P. S. I will attend your Grace wherever you may a]>porRr, ** hut sincei-ely beg your Grace's Fecvery." Indorsed : •' ^ , " Dti'rjeied by the Writer h'im-eiflo wy '! ' g possessed, as I tniderstand, of one «,'if not of two Ciiapeis in your Lord.'-h-p's Diocese, I consider ** it to be incumbent upon uie, from the sense I have of the>dtj- ** ty I owe to the p«blic, as well as from my respect for yotir *' Lordship, not to suffer you to remain irBinfDnT»cdo1> it j .and •*« I accordingly take the liberty of layinp: itbefpre y6u. '♦ 1 have reason to believe that the Note is written by the Per- "fion whose name is subscribe, but 1 sent to desire them to let me have all the liooks and Papers that had 1^1 rs. Clarke's Jiame upon thera. .'..•■■ -x," • |_The Witness was directed to Withdraw. Mr. WILLIAM TYSON was calle'diri, and. ♦if-; Examimd.by the LommiitecyZS follows:^ j^y- '■ -; - - ■• J\/r. WardU* — Q. Have you got any account of Checks •f his Royal Highness the Duke of Yoik, that were sent in- to your house by, the late Me&srs. liirkett of Princes-street ? A. Not any. Qy Have you any Notes of Hand, or Bills ? ji. Not any. Q. Have you any memorandum in your books of asy such Bills having passed through your house ? A. Not to my knowledge. .... „.. ^- ..,,. -, , . Q. Have you .the late Messrs, Birkett's accounts at your ,hi)Ui»e J -i/ i-.<-i-«f?r>.M':»>' 'J : : •■ . ;. . Ai Yes, \vc bavf. a Have ( 3M ) 0. 4]avcvou examined those accounts before vou came here this evening ? - A. Vis, 1 luivc. ' Q. Was not the Order that you received, to bring those accounts with ^-ou ? ' ^: It was, Q. Why did you not comply with that Order ? j4. I have brought a statement of Birlu-ti's chec*ks. Q. Had any body spoken to. you upon this bubjecL btifore you v.'ere served wiih a summons this day ? ji. ^No one. Q.TDo you take upon you to say that nobody to your knowledge has been at your house upon this sitbject, wiihin lhc»ie last ten days ? -^i.'Nol to my knowledge. ' *^. Arc you a partner in ihe'house ? '-•' * '-"-■ ."• '^ '^-yi.Xilinnot,-'^ - ■■''•' ^ .^-*u:^' ■ ■ -. ,^.., 'Q^ Why was it you did not conrply with the Order-of(H« House? ^ /» £ ^rThe Order was delivered in and read-] •^' • "'•Q.youKaviB Stated, thAt^'ou tavc a Listof Check SAvith' you; what is thai List ? ''-^•^' • • " ^ • ..: '"^A: In'th% 'year n^OsVt^Wb^r'^ Y^Paflter-and Blrkftts ^raft payable toClarkeor bearer for one hundred and tven-' ' '■ ' ■ " " kd e*r iifke or bearer fifty pounds ;-in the year 1803, March''! 3, |>^ya^ b!e t.) Clarke or bearer' tlire'e hundred and si5;ty-H^ur r)t)unds. That was the whole Isaw payable in the namic of i^. Wiiose Checks are those ; by whom are iheyirlrftwf-? A.'ihc firtft .four I believe AveiiedrawQ" by Parker and BTrkeTliV; the remarnTng^mg^by-fefrket^?! aiiiJ Dockery. Q,. You have siatediha.t,you-have examined Messrs. fiir- ktUs account, and find in that account no Checks "whatever f 352 ) by His Hoyai Highness the Duke of York, as having passec^ through your hands? " ^4. My instructions were to sec what checks were drawn by Birkeits and Dackery in favour of Mrs. Clarke, which 1 have done. Q. Do you happen to know that any toills were ever left at tUe banking-house of M ir^U and Company by Messrs. I^irketts, in which Mrs. Clarke's name appears to have been the drawer or the acceptor : ji. I have no knowledgo'of any. [The Witness wrs directed to withdraw, COLONEL LORAINE was called in, aad Lxamine/l by The Conunittee^ as follows: Chancellor of the Exchequer » Q. Did you hold any si- tuation in the Commander in Chief's Office, at the time w,heTi Colonel French's Levy was first instituted ? A. 1 did. : — ' Q. What situation tlid yoa hold at that time? A. Assistant MUitar^ Secretary. , " ' ^ Q, State what you know respecting Colonel Frertch's ap- pl^catiy^i to be_;gecniitttitl to raise a Levy ol.men at tiaat time? -■■''"■i-^ ^-^^ ''^ - - - .^.y/, L ;^r;y.;^^ -M-^r It caine-ii\-tbe' usual course of of!iee..and passed regu- larly 'th-rcugh the^office^ anci was examined as all things of that kind.are; and every pains taken to ascertain whether it i«a'S ^ Levy, that Would answer the purpose or not. .;:x5.*;/)id the npplicati/in of Colonel Freu'ch come to the cifice.. in writuig, i^.tbe first instance?, . "•• .- -, , w' -■;. 'v-'Q^'^Sr'^^ you ^r6(5ux:ethat writing? ■ /•. . • * X- These are'ih^'terms-which were produced in the ifii^t , insuuoe.-. -»' «-- r-' . . . ". ^'•' . •■: ^ ^ :. .[T^^*^^^"^^ ^'^^^ read.*] - •-..''.''■ *';®-*. ' 'ij. What \vas done upon this proposali Vj-*-- •" ,i- • See Appendb. N". i. 4. It ( S53 } u4. It appeared to have lain by I'or some time, and Go)o- nel !• reiicli wrote another letter. [Note was read, dated March 5th 1804.*"] Q. What situation did Colonel CliiUuu hol/i. a< ^xh^t time ? -/. Military Secretary te the Commander in Chief. Q. Was any answer sent to that note by Colonr-.i Ci;nror, ? -^. To the best of my recollection uhtu this note came to the office it was sent tome, and 1 vwis desired to exiio^mc* the terms that were ollered by Colpjiel French. At liiai time I was in the habit of consulting and communicaiuit: with General Hewitt, who was then Inspector ^General of theRecruinng Service, and I shewed the Terms, to biin» aqd he desired that Colonel French might be referred to hixQ ; in coiiseqivence.oftJjat,. a reference was niade,. which 1 bcli»ive Will apptar by the correspondence. -•>«,- '"*, • : - " • \ [A letter rea^, dated Horse Xjuards, 7 March iSc^.-f-] .,,tjQ. -Poyou .recollect what was the uext^tep takci\jjpoa this proposal ? ■ .: ...^. . -..;.- i*..; i ;^-: ♦*v{:^t-5-? : ,A> As far as^IjecoUect, Colonel FFench-applied ^, Ge- neral Hewitt, as directed ; ;and Ge-nerja^l.H^witt of couise examined; the Terms thatbe proposed, and nacjuieUed them as he thought fit for the Commander in Chief's .consideration ; and after it had gone through the whole gft^e. regular cv^rse in.theofSce, the Letter of Service was issued by Xhe ^cre- 4ary aX ^Var, which is usual in those cases,; .,^^,^, y. ^urr.A C^.^Is there any Letter of JVlarch 20th ^- ,r^t ,,,j ^^j A. Yes, there is; Colonel French made various repre- sentations with regard to hi$ Myy» before il was nnally-aei- tH Q. Can you, by referring t(3 those 1 papc^gj^ af\^ ac- count of those difereat appljcaiions l^ ; • ^;^,-,. ly,-.".*^ -^ •...:: «: *r:t. ;;;.;> .«4i^ * Appendix, 'Nd. 2. >'♦ •^ Appendix, No.n^i - G^^ j» • • ■ A- There " 'J^.' There is one representation of the 20th of ^la' which 1 hold in my h;uid. ■-. ' Q. Is there one of the 18th or 20ih of April ? A. There IS a Copy ol a Lettt-r from Colonel Clinton of the 18th of April, returning the Proposals, with the Com- •maiider in Chief's Remarks thereupon. [The Letter was read. *j Q. The Proposals, in short, after having been referred to General Hewitt, were accepted with certain alterations, which appeared in red ink in the margin of that paper? A. They were. Q.Are you aware of any other alterations that took place jn the course of the Levy, and howAvere they introduced, if *'' A. To the besfifrf my recollection, the bounty was Raised at two different times during thatTx?vy, because the bounties J- to the regiments of the line had been increased. I • '^. 'Me there Sany Letters among those papers which give an account of that circumstance ? '■^' i':4. Unless' I »ha4 rime to looJt over the whole papers,'! do - Jibt know that I could speak to it. ... * ' ' Q. is tbe'COafse ofotfice, after the Levy is approved, to '^send lttothe*SetnnetaTyat War? -^. - . ,.. . ^" '^itfl^lt-nWiStftfeCJessarily go to the Secretary at War, be- « -catrse^t is by hfmthat the Letter of Service is issued. s;-i.Q.iWcreyMiih Office in A^>ril 1805?-—^. I was. "^"^^'6. Will: yo«=see whether there is any Letter of tiie' l^th April, 1805, ffont ^B- Commander in XJbk( to the SeciE- ' tary at War ?-i.if.vTh(Bre is, ' ' • • - ". - '> ; . ! ' -ii»8;X'^- ^**' ^^?[Tke Letter was read.tj .;■.• u...-\.ui^^ -Di: {Q^ ^dbseiqtreM t6 that Letter, do yoii recollect any ap- plicatioji from Messrs. French and Sandon, proposing some nUeratic^ni in this Levy,? r" ■. „ , * *^' Appemlix, No. C. fT?^. vi. ^ t AiH^CHditt, No. 'iO. C .355 1 A.-Y^S'rl have a Proposal of the 20th of April. • 1^, What IS the etfecL of that proposal ? A. They. proposed that a certain number of Officers should be employed in the Levy, of a ditrurent description from what they had before ; that appears io be the drift c- 'Carae Assistant Military Secretary ^-r?,-\A:-^,^ ^» j ^, 'Major of the 9th Regiment of Foot. * Q. Did you purchase the 'Lieutenant Colonelcy ? . A, I did not. .^Q, Did you ever join your regiment as Lieutenant Co- lonel? ' ..'<-. . , • ' ^ ' Vi *" j^.J^e Very when myregit :.*/ » •>•» i^f .<♦; f <, * ! ■ k^u. ; «- M- .. 1, THE COMMANDER IN CHIEF. •. Mr. JEREMIAH DONOVAN was called in and -- ' -yr^s pro. inotfOji from the 48th Reoim^iit to thu M^jority-Xif'the 3l9ti A. 1 believe* it -was about' tlieMnonlh of ^frffch 1 804>, that Captain Sandon tr^Hed ^tJ|Son'me, Hind -toHI'^rtef^f hat' tw haii-'an opportunity of promoting a Gefttl^Hri tb'-4"Maji>ri- ty -f if I knew of any Gentletnan \vho had'tlWim? tham.•*'* A. That was all I knew till the year " L805. ISIajor Jonyn, I- believe, was gazetted in August 1804-, and tlicn, to'imy .a!*t-onj!:hment, 1 was informed by Mrs. Clarke that she was the person who had obtained that promotion, )•> * -U....*--' i-y;, -»^ ••■'.- - •: r ;-'*.•>'.■ .^ - A. The money, I believe, was not lodged in the bauds o^any persvri m the first ac-reement. ».: ." ".. .: . J. Do ^1 ( 3b9 ) " Q. Do you know v\he;hcr any m.)ncy was JougeJ priur lo the pazc-tliMj^ of Majwr Toiiyn ? -'/, 1 did noi know that any money was lodged prior lo the t^azolting of jNlaJor Tonyn. Q- Do you know wheilier any money upon that cojnniu- liicution wab lodgi*d at all or not? A. I do not Jinow that any money was lodged preuous to ihal period. (2' 1 do not ask previous to any parliculi^r perio(), but do you know that any sum of money was lodged wiih any body on that accounl? A. There was no sum. of money lodoed on that account ; but I he'ieve, a Gentleman had undertaken to pay Captain Sandon the sura of money, which 1 understand was paid to Captain Sandoi] ; but I '< ■ Q, What was the promoUon Major Shaw wanted ? .V - A. Per- ( 361 ) -^. Penniflion to purchafe a Lieutenant-Colonelcy, or to.^ei a Lieutenflnt-Culonelcy witijout purchale, bv paying s Jnm of money for it. Q. And Major Shaw did not -eftabliAi that wiHj ?. A^ Not [hroLigh that channel. Q. T!ir,;ugh what other channel did he.^ftabli'Di it*f A. JMajor Shiiw's papers were delivered back to we, and reiLirned to Major Shaw. J believe lliey were bro'^t^ht to me by a Mr. Macdougili, as I recollec't, and I believe t^ey were returned to Mr. Macdougail. Some time after- wards, Mr. i\Jacd fUgall alked me, ifl could piocure that promotion for C'olonel Shaw. A lady had called upon me, and faid^ that (he had an opportunity of promoting Maj t Shaw's wiihes. Q. Who was that 1:idy? ^ -. - As Mrs. Hovrnden. Q. Where does Mrs. Hovenderrrefide at prcfent ? 4. In Viliiors Street, York Luildings. ^ . Q. At what Numbef?_ ' ■' ' -'^ ''• ^ f'«"/' • A. At No. 29. -J^- '''-'i^'' " '■'■■ -.- f-rn :d he "got the -promotion, and -w^nt to tha Cape of Good Hope. *' . . Q. State whether, through the •medium trt'this Ladvvon have named, any other promotions have been eife(fLeci ia the army? A. Not to my knowledge ; -it rrray be neceflary -to explsrin the bufinefs of Major Sliaw, becaufe it was not througU that introdmSiouat that period that Major Shaw obtained that. -' ^?. Q. Was this the only circumflance of the fort that -^m carried through tiie medium of that Lady ? A. 1 know not of any that was carried, not even of that. The witnefs here exprefled a defire to explain more fully the circi;mftances with which he was acquainted, relarive to the cafe of Major Shaw. No. XI. Hh The ( 36> ) •The' Chancellor of the Exchequer intimated -to the witnefs, that as the cafe of Major Shaw was a diftin6t quedion, which was fixed for a future day, it was proper that the Committee fhould at prefent abf^in from any reference to it ; particularly as it "would be 'in its power to examine the witnefs upon it, when the invelVigation (hould take place. Q. Do you know of any, that, tiirough her medium was attem})ted ? • A. I have beard her fay that Tome were attempted, but, I cannot fay what they were. Q. You do not know that any money was lodged, upon Xaptain Tonyn's attempt at promotion? A. 1 do not : I have already explained that Mr. Gilpin, I underllood, undertook to pay it, but that no money was lodged. Q,. You have ftated, that Captain Sandon informed yon that he had the means of promoting Lieutenants to Com- panies, Captains to Majorities, and Majors to Lieutenant- , Colonelcies ; in confcquence of that information, did you negociate fuch promotion ? ? A» 1 did not negociate any promotion througli Captain * -Sandon, except diat of Major 'I'onyn, by introduction. ; Q. Were yqu ^pj^^ceive any remuni;ration for that in-" trodu6tioa ? :;•,,,. •. . A. I was. r.Q. Wliat were you to receive ? . ^ 3 ^,i.-T^^enty-five pounds, i ^a.Did you receivq it .-^ A, 1 did. ^:Q. Have you, finceyou werelaft exa'.nincd, recollecl-ed any negociation which you carried on for prMuotiohs in. the Army, befide:} -tbofe wiiich you mi-ntioned in your iall 4ixamination ? ^ A. 1 have never ihought of any. . . Q. Are y^ju n )w ccnaiu that thofe were ti;e,oniy ones in which you ever en^.^ged ? - A. I am n.A ceriain. •Q. You _ ( 863 •} Q. You have fta ted, .that you learnt fnjrr Mrs. Claikc; i'l thp, )eai lb05, that ilm had received live hundred j)onnd.s ? A. No, I tlo not know ihe fum exa6U)v Q. That Ihe bad receive^i a.iumof money in confe- quence of Major 'Icnyn's promotion ; ..at wiiat time of the .year did you receive that intbrmation ?.. i ■ A. It, was iu the ^lonth of May,: 1605; Major Tonyn had been gazetted in^Auguft 1801* > Q. VVi]erc was it you received that information from Mrs. Clarke? A, At Mrs. Clarke's houfe in Gloncefter Place, Q. On what occafion were you at -Airs. Clarke's houfc at Gloucefter Place ? > A. I was thei'e. in confequcnce of a report which h.ad been circuialed, that I w^s the author oi fome fcurrilous paragraphs again ft his Royal High nefs the Dake oi \'f)rk. i had naced my inTormation to Mrs. Clarke, and frum«hfr I-tTdced it to Captain JSutton, but not the firft time I lu .-/ h^r, and tfeat *vas the reafon I waited on Mrs. Clarke i I invd: no other introdu^ion but that. • Q, JJid you receive that information at your firft vifit or yewrfecond yifit, or your third viftt? . A. At ray fecond vifit, as near as 1 can recoiled, ' y Q. Do you recolle6t any other -converfation that paffed between you and Mrs. Clarke at tirat fecond vifit ? ^. 1 do not recollecfl the converfation 3 it was not of any confequcnce. Q, Did any converfation pafs refpeding promotions in the Army ? A, 1 do not recoiled that any converfation paflffd re- lative to promotions in the Army at that time 5 it might be f», " Q. Do you reoo11e6l that any fuch conrerfa'tion pafled at any other time? A, I believe on the third vifit. ,- Q, What was that converfation? . ^ A. That Mrs. Clarke had been the means of promoting Majoi|Tonyh, Hh 2 a. Yea ( 364 ) Q. Yiju^have ftated, that you received thai rur Q.. What did Ihelftafre to you in November laft ? /A- Sije raentioired, amongft a number of other things, that i)»e had been extremely ill ufed by his Royal Highnefs the Duke of York; that in confequence of that, unlefs -his Royal Highnefs did that which was right towards her, fhe would publifti the whole of the tranfa6lions which had .paifed relative to promotions during the time (he lived with .hi5 .Royal Highnels. r:'" ,. ... Q, Hut not relative to Major Tonyn's ? A. Not particularly to Major Tonyn's. Q. Did Airs. Clarke over inform you tha4 (he had men- tioned , to his £.oyal Highnefs the Duke of York, that (he had received alum of money on account of Major Toayn^s •proniction } A. Nevec C 2^5 ) '^/l. Never till then, the moritii of November laft ; on the contrary, when I vilited her in Glonceiter Place, in the firft inilance, fhe, fo far from mentioning his Royal Highnefs being priv^^ fro it, was fo" alarmed at my name being atmounced as a friend of Major' Shaw, or any other perfon, that Major Shaw got his papers back immediateJy, gave Mrs. Hovend^fi len pounds 4or them, and faid he would have done with Mrs. Clarke, for that my name had prevented his promotion taking ploce; and, in confenuence of that, I had no more to do with" MajorTonyn in his pro- moticm, \^4ih:h I nm.ierftood took place abont twelve months atterward-;, nor d!d I e^'er-fee him buto!ice fince, on Lud- gate Hill. ' Q. What did Mrs. Clarke' P.»y; in November laft, on Ihe fubje(^t of Major Tonyn ? - 'y). I have mentioned what flie-fflid t>f Major Tonyn, that fhe had received alum o£;maney, which was acqnaiiitcd with it. Q. Was ibat i-n Gloucetter Place that you law Mrs. Clarke in November laft ? A. No, it wa^ in Bediord Place. The Sbortband-writer was directed by the Com- mittee to read the three or four lalt queltions, with the anfwers of the witnefs. When the following Queftion and Anfwer were read over to the Witnefs : ,*• Q. Did Mrs. Clarke ever inforn? you, that Hie had " raenticned to his Rcyal Highnefs the Duke of . f'v/: •'':** York., that Ihe had received a fum of money on "*' account of Major Toiiyn's promotion? A. ■ >}**^N ever till then, the month of November laft.'* Mr. Lonovan anfwcred. That is not what I mean to fay. '-'- ^ ' He was ordered to withdraw. Mr.B^ARHAM conceived it highly improper that the vvitnelsfhoiild be allowed to erafe from the mi- nutes tKt; anfwer which bad been drawn from him by a regular chain of queftions, the moment when he perceived the extent of the adniiffion which he liad made, not by inadvertence, bat by crois-exa- inin^tion. The beft plan for the Committee, in his opinion, to adopt, was to let the original anlwer •(tand'tipon the minutes in its proper place, at tb^ ikm^ titne^hat the \^itnels {l:ould have the oppor- tunity of affixing his ccrred^ion. Sir ■ ( 367 ) ■ Sir TiroMAs Turtow, althou2:b he confic-lere^ k rAther lufpicious to correal crois-cxaniination under the pretence of errors, (iill hoped that the Commit- tee would not fetter a witnefs brought under loch circumftances to that bar. The witnefs returned, and his examination was refumed.' Chairman:, Q. State how you wifli that anfwer to be taken down ? ' ..,..- A. No ; In Xovember laft Mrs. Clarke told me, that if his Roval Ilisrhnefs did not do that which w?,.s ri'^ht \yy her, (lie would pubiith -the cafe of Major Tonyn, with many others. . • - . . ' ~Sir Thomas Turion, . Q. Did fie, in Xoveml?er lafl, com- luunicate to y.ni, that (lie. had informed !ns Koval Hio:b- nefs the Duke of ^'ork of her having taken a.fum from Majc-r Tony 1 ? A. S,he did not ; fiie only threarened to pubUHi that, v\'it!i many other cafes. ^ • ■ - " *'^.' '! und^riland you to have faid, flie was extremely - 'anx b'us that it Ihould net come to the ears ('f the- Duke of York, when ycu law Mrs. Clarke in Glaucefker^i-ace ; io that fo .^ - '!*." 'A, Iviir Q: What reafon-d'd'flie give for that anxiety r ' A. Slie faid, that if his Royal Highnen the Duke of York Ihould know of -iicr having received any money ^or. military prv:morions, that ihe lliould be difgraced^ and the -officer would l;-fe his Commillion. 5 >-'■•■', Q. Yow are Cure upon your recollecflion, that that was- the reafon which was afligned ? • ., i.: A. I am. .....:.]." i-i . »jJ .' Mr. JP'allace. Q. When Captain Sandon ftated to you, that he had the means of obtaining proraotio'hs through almoft all the gradations of the Army^ did be ftate to you- arty particular terms upon whicii thofe promotions we« ^ ' to i')eJi ad ? '■ .'.■.- ^-'■'■•■ff .-1 A, i j-cco!le6l thr.t he faid, for'a Maj .^ity'iive huiidrod" gaincasx ( 36s ) guinfas ; but I do not recolleft that he fiated theparrnMr- iars of every cominiilion. . ■ " Q, Had youanyrealbn, either at the time or afterwards, to confider Gaptai^Sandon, in thatbufinefs, as theagdut ©f Mrs. Clarice ?' 'Ji. Never, till Mrs." Clarke herfelf told me Co. ^ Q« Did you vifit Mrs. Clarke, in November laft, by her own rolic'itatioii ? A. It was by her own folicltaiion. Q. Yon hr.v& Rated, that fhe ufcd certain threats, un- lefs conditions were agreed to j what terms did ftie liate to be the teims of, her forbearance ? A. The payment of her debts, and the Settlement cf an- annuity. "^ ^ ' ' ' . ' -General Lofius. Q^ Did fhe apply to you, to participate in carrying thofe thrtats into execution ? , ...... :j4. She did, .^ .. Q. To what extent? A. I am afraid I fliould be obliged to implicate many pedons, with whom Ihe took very great liberties, in nien- tvohing tlieir names-, as perlbns who were ia f aft inili- gating" her to thefe acls. ' Q. State what Mrs. Clarke faid to you, to induce yen- io partJcipatfi in that bufmefs ? A. Mrs. Clarke faid that the Duke of York, unlefshe came to thefe terms, mull be ouiled from his command ; that he would then retire to Oatiaiidb, where he would Ibon-cut his throat > that was her expretiion. . « Q. Was tharall tkut pafTed ? A. I endeavoured to prevail upm her to inform me who were her aflociates in the plot: her anfwer was, that iFI would go with the tide, .flie.wouM provide for i>ie and my friends very handfomely, for in that cafe fhe would ' have 3i '-carte ^idnc/iVy. that would eiiabl<". her to do more bufmefs than flie ever had done; that was her expreflion. Q. Did fhe flate to you who were her affociates in this •|3lo*, -a^grou jiepn it ? . . , 1 i^J. -She^faid that flie was bcuiid to fecrecy, though fhe ;ioUged toinforni 'me 3 Ihat was her c-wrelhon; ; ~ .. '* Q. Then ( 369 ) (^. Then how c )uld you Implicate others, if ilie'did not inform von wh J they were ? yi. 'i'hcre was one or two perfons whofe names fhe. men-* lioncd as having olicred her money for feme papers. Q. Who were tiiey ? J. One was Sir Francis "Burdctt ; fhe faid tiiat *Sir Francis BurdeLt, about eighteen riionihs before, had o^- IcAcd her four -thoufand. pounds for the papers, diu tliat i].e would not then take lefs than ten thoufaiid pounds. I did not believe her. Q. Who were 4he others ? A, I do not wiOi to mention. [The Chairman direded the Witnefs to anfwer the queftion,] A, There was but one more ; I do D«t choofeto rae^tioa the other perfon. [The Chairman informed the Witnefs, it was the fenfe of the Committee he inufl anfvver the queftion.] •- [The Witnefs ivas apparently much^nffecied. Jle drew from bis pocket . a ivbite handkerchief with which he 'wiped the tears from his eyes. Name! name! refounded from all parts ©f ' the'Houfe.] ^^ ■-•""- ^ •% The Witnefs ftated in a tremulous voic e .. ; It was C.i plain Dodd that fiie mentioned as the other perfon who wifhed to get the papers from her. Q. How was this to be carried into execution ? A, She did not inform me. -; Q. You have dated, that if you gave names, yon muil implicate a number of people^ bow much further do you mean to go with the names, to make out a r.'Utober.of people ? ' . • ;. :•«-. •. . ,..^,,. A, i do not mean to gaany fnrtber. [The following words of the Witaefs, in a pre- ceding part of the examination/ wereTea3:j « - •> ( 370 ) ''^*'I am afraid! fhouTd be obliged to implicate many *' perlons with whom ihe took very great liberties, '.- ' r** in menfioning their names, as perrons who. were rV in:fa(fl inft: gating her to thefe acts." - . - fiQ; J)o you mean that two confiltute the many you fpoke V ' [The Witnefs referred to a paper.] ' Q. What is twit paper to which you are refeiriug ? A. Mtmorandums. ;n. Q. Do you mean that two conAltnte the many you fpoke ..-f. Two cannot ronftitute mntiyi ./ :, jLi. Then name ihe e;her« ? ^'■"A, I -am in nn^err^r in that, in mentkhifrg^JWiiiy,'' Q. What' term?, or what.confidcration dr4 flio infcJral> yoii. Captain Do'dd had o^ered for the papers' ? '. ':' p^ . .^.";Sh^ did not mention what he had offered (or the papers, but that he had wiflied to polTels tbq papers. ;^,C. Do you IfQow what fituation Captain Dodd is^a ? , 'yu4. 1 do not. ■ '■ ^*-Whatis;tti,\ *'^^^'''" ; .irj;: : -"^r-i^ ' A, I do not know what it is that he htolds", imt' T believe he holds fome official fituation under his Royal Highnef* theDukc of Keht;^ - ' v ^- Q. Do yoti, of yotir own knowledge, knowof any other perfons concemed in this traDfa61ion ? ' - - A. I do.not ; I do not know that they are, further, than the reports of Mrs. Clarke y nor do I believe^ it. "-. >V^.T You- referred to ibme Memorandums ; why did you ccl?erto'them> and what d6 they contain ? '■ iv A,Slihey contained- fonae notes • taken at different pe- riods ; I believe the beft way will be to read the whole. , ; ,. • The "Wittiefs was 'directed to withdraw,. (. fKic'cOjfAtmziLQR< :of jthe ErcKEaiifiR could l^> not ( 371 ) not think it would be proper in that Hoiifc, which unqueition:;bly was more iax in its proceedings than a Court of Law, to a<^ with greater feverity and firictnefs again II the witnefs than even a Court "of Law would, by requiring him to give up his memo- randa. ♦ SirT. TuRTON was of afimilaropinion. The eyes of the country were tix'ed on that Houfe, and they were bound more than a Court of Law could be, to fee that the ends of juftice in ih important a quef- tion were not defeated. • IVIr. S. Bourne faw great inconvenience from the irregular way in which things were conducted in that Houfe, not one out of twenty queftions being agreeable to laws of evidence. , Lord Temple concurred in opinion with thnfe who -had preceded him. He eveji thought tha£ a great part of the teftimony of the laft witnefs ougjit. to be expunged. ^ • ^ . ,.--- ^- : .,.. Mr. Windham. *' The flridV rules of evidence might be extremely well fuited to. a Court of Lau> and not be fo proper for adoption in that Hoiife* Even Courts of Law differed in^their rules of-evi- dence, according as they ^veredrfferently compofed; That Iloufe acted on its own culloms and pra^tice^^ which were equally binding on it, as the pra£lic^ in any Court of Law could be fuppofed to be on that individual Court;" "^y *' - . .. It was agreed that the witnefs fliouid not be agaii^ called in-. ''.\. ./.\ ; :, •>. » ^ :-!. . Captain Huxley Sandon was, then called as.a witn-ofs; but the Ch a n ce llo u of the Exch e a u r r re*commended Colonel Wardle that^ Mrs. Clarko fliould be tirit examined, that (he mi^^t not corh-4 plain,' as ihedid the other night of being too much exhaufled ( 3/2 ) tkYiiu(\e(\ to bear an examination. JGolouel \V"ardie-j howc\'i;r, faid he ihould prefer beginning wiih iJap- lain Sandon, to-whom he (hould put a very few queftions, wtiich would not occafion much -delay. Captain HUXLEY SANDON ^'?.r calkd in;j and r having been informed by the Chairman that he - M'-as to anfwer to fach t'a6ls as were wiihin' his .' «own knowledge^ and not to thofe facts which he '" was acquajinted'\^'ith only frorti hear fay, was «xa- xnined by t'he Committee^ as followi : ._ ^ Mr. JFardJc' Q.» t)id yon know "Major Tcnvn ? . A, Yes, I did. • -; .; 'Q. State what you know refpeifling his promotion from ^*the^48th to the Majority of the 31il regiment ? *' ^' \^:^Ti in interview ^^ith Mrs. Clarke, i[lie aOvC^'mcrir '-liiad^uny Military friends that wilhed for intercft; if tbry ■'-liaBftioncy/'' (he thought fhe could get tl) cm, promo) pd. y A\ that pericd, I did not know any body} bik.meeung .* fmh Mr. Donovan the next day, I alked liim.if he.hnd " anyrfrienc^, he.'laid yes, there was^. gentleman in lown " ^hat be tbxDilght: would give, ^ fum of^iiiouey for ailepj 1 * asked him what fum he would^iv^e ; he fa id he ihgugh; ' he weuld give five hundred guineas. 1 fpoke. to. Mrs. ' ClarVe upon the fubje6i, and 'Hie faidj'.by all means clofe '^'iiU him.^ Wlien I faw Mr. Don )\an, 1 told bun that I ^ thought ! 'r/;\i!d prjcuye liis fnend tlie iicp ihal he -v^ifhed ■■'■fcir'f ttpon \vhicli he jiroduced u meni,orandiim, lig-ned'by ' a Mr. (*il^ in of the Strand, lur the fum I have mentiuned, "Slr^Heve'i'be,11iduMai'])eur iu'tbe Loiidt»n Gazette, gazetted asa'M'ajor." I'bcVieve it was near up ,n twp monibs'or 4^ ten \vteks, J fupj.ofe it mijght . be two months. Avhtn GaptAtn^dnjuVfbi'l n^ver had the honour of. feeing. C.1p- *tjrn^lonyn,'"belbrj"£4i.it pe;riod,^got liital that his |;^pmo- Uyii.diJ not ^ppuar*} bedefirtd Mr. Donovan to^cell^fKJri "tn^,''^'d fay', thaVif' rcoal^iiot.gcl the buliaers finiflied, Xji^l^beiter return^^hira his memorandum. I -waited upon ' Mr5.'''ClW.(^ and told her Avhat Mr. Douovsm. had fald. She [ 3?3 ) 'SI'/' r..\vl i\)^\ 1)1^ \K?.i :>. n.nbl.y fellow, that he vras ^ery — t»iti
  • ld him the intcrcTt ih;it we iiad to procure tli^e ]VIa3i)rity j had inioruied ine - tiiat they had hetur \v. it a liitlc. islv. Donovan faid, lam jiiiif ucU-d by Captain loiiyii (o fay, yota mull"give up yonr fccuri.ly immedlarHy, for wc are ; retty cle?.r» or at Icait I amprttty c ear, you ci^nnoi get him gazetted ; undano- ihci thing, Gjfnerid I'onyn has fpoken to the Corumnnder in Ch.ief, a,jdhcha> proniiftd !)im ihe iirH Majority ihiPt Is %;!caiit. I then beg^^ird to fee Captain Tonyn i Mc. Donovan intioduced me to him ; he then told uie the i'ixmv, S;r, this bnhncfs hjs been n long while upim the rai'pct, 1 d<» not think y .u cnn cft'f(5t wJiat jou fay you eaa ' do, acd I defire you \\ill give me up the fecurity I gav« you, for General Tonyn, my Fati>er, has procurcti^ pt-m ttie Oirtiniander in Chief, to give mc a Mi- 5 >nty. ] oblVrved to hijn, that he had bcttc» wait a fcvr ^yi, for that 1 thought ii^all .probability hcwoUld.be ' gazetted. However, ilfler arguing the point for a l,ittie time, he faidi lor two Df three Gazettes it does not.iiiT- -- iiyy, lei the bufineid go on, and if 1 lind I am gazctteajB 6 week or ten days, the bufinefs fliall be as It origrfwjiy Wis; Howe^^V,* to make fiiort of the ftory, I beliefait was the AVednefdiiy when we were fpeaking, and. on the "S:\tu*day or Tiielday following fie was in the GazcCte as ftrfTJor-i-the eonfequence was, 1 received the live hiindrjL.4 ffuiheas; and live hundrtdp-mndV 1 gave to Mrs. Clarke, tfiid-lxrenty^-five pounds to-lwri Doiidvan, ^w ■'^'•Q.'^Dcryou of your owEj knowj.dge know that tljQ pjo- rootiun of MaJor'Tonyn was owing to the inierfereuce.of - -Mrs. Clarke >;.;» v /, ^ ^ :; 'f . ^ I,,.. , %! ^\^, 'Ko, i tantiot fay any thing iipoa'the fulye^V. . ^^-^ . yai * 6 w iri^ io- the in'e. lei enceofMrs. Oartse ? , . , . •'''^^j.4/1 hare no rcnton at aill to believe it was owii\§",to • the ill terfi'fence oF Mrs. Clarke. ' ' " '^ :"Q;^Uid Ms. Clirkc ever infONn yoii th»t flie had pro* ( 3;4 ) cMTcd the appointment of Major Tony n ffona His Royal Highncl.-^ tiie Duke of York ? ui. She certainly inlornied me Qie had got him gazetted. Q. Do you mean Ijy that, tiiat fhc inlbrnicd you that flie had got liim gazetted by means of her application to life Duke of York ? ' '.^ '- , V/. '^he always told me llie would get hire gazetted, and ofcourfo it was througli that intereft, i in)agirie.. Q. Did fhe llatc that it was through the Duke of \Qt\ that ihe obtained it : A. She told ntie yes, that it was tlirough her interfile but whether it was or not 1 cannot lay. Q. Do you believe that this uas obtained through Mr*. Clarke's application to the Duke of York? A. i doubt it exccruinp;'y. Q,. Had you yourlelf no emolument fiomjtnis tranf^ ac^tioii ? '"A. I "received tive hundred guineas, five huiidred 'pounds 1 gave to Mrs. Chuke, and twenty^-tive pounds I gave to Mr- Donovan, v. hich 1 believe makes the live hun- dred guim as. 1 had no erijolument. Q., Did Mr3. Clarke feiTd you a^azeitc^ annomiciiig the promotion ? A, i really do uot ktlow, I gave bet the money the mo- ment i fa\v it in the Gazette;* hie had no occaJion, for I waibhed the Gazette, and the moment I faw him gazetted^ I took her th'e m>ney. «.. Q,. Y'ou ha-ve l^aied. that you do Hot believe this Ap- pointment \vasetf'e6tcd by the interference of Mrs. Clarke; for what did you pay Mra. Clarke the five hundred pounds ? 'A, Becaufe wc had promifed upon his apj-^eaiing in tlie Gazette as a Major, lor that was the way in which the note ran, thatwe weietbVecelvethe five hundred guineas : whethetit was by herintereil or Cieneral Tonyn's, did hot fignify, th^ note ran ** on my appearing in the London Gazette, gazetted as a Major." ' $.'"Did y(ni app y to Mrs .Clarke for -this Appointment '\^\ be in the Gaittie, and on feeing the Appoiuiinent iii tKeCazet't^, ihewas to recer\'e five liundred i>ounds t -■ ■ ' • ■ - ■ Q, General ( 37^ ) , Q. General Toiiyn w.\i jyomifcd the lirll M; tl;e Comrmnder i;i Chief, thnt yuu were* to receive any pecuniary confideration tor his pro- iijoiion ? — J . Yts. ■ ^Jr. Di^klnfon, Q. How did yon come by the Gazette yott lijiit to Dr. Tliynnc r A I fuppofe by thenewrpar-'e^r-man. f»lr. Crokcr. Q. Did you evtT uj)ply to General Cluver- ing tor ;i recomuie*dutioii ill luvour of Li«uten;wn Jmrj- II LT?' — A. \e'^. Q. A ft -you acquainted with Licu'cnant Smmicri A. No. -,. . Q. \^ horecornmendcd Lieutenant Sumner I') you ? A. Mr. Donovan. (^. Do y:u r'ccci g:1, \vhelli**r you r^prv.entcd Liec-- tininr SumrkCr lo Gen'.ral Clavering a-j beiiig a[li>^d 1 1 fon- iiuC-^ted with any particular penvn ? ' ^■^. Y^s; with his relatiojas. ' U. Wijat relaLions? A. -His Uncle. . " , , _ •. Q. Who was his Uncle ? -/!.. Dd r. Sumner the Member ? A. 'I cannot exaftl/ rocolle^^, but it was 'Cooun, or fumethi^ig^in that way; that he v/as a relation. Q, Mave yju ever reprefinted youiulf ;>s being under the prot6(5lion"Df a Mr! Mellilh ; A. Neither him, nor any man, .. , V- Q. .Huve you not reprefented yourfclf as b«in^^, at pnc : time/ under the protection of his Royal ^ighnefs the, Duke of York? , ' . . ^ • / A. 1 rellly think that 'Gentleman Is niorc mad than-thc .^ peiTon that was cjmmitied iall ni^h:.. ' * • . • • ' : , • ' CThc" { ^77 ) ^ \',[]Tbe Clialrnian informed the Witnefs (he nmU anfvver the qnertioiis, and not make irrelevant oblervations.j T^hc \vl)ole of tlic Gentlemen know that already^ l^y the reprefentaiiori vviiich lins l>ten given I)cforc. Q. Have y.u not rep c fen red yonrfclf as bein^, at one time,- undtr tb.c prolection of iiis Royal Hi^hnefs uie Dnke'of York: ' '' ' . ./, I do not know that I ever did lejrrefent Tnyfclf fo ; {"coplfc knew it, without my tclHng it.' '"' ' ' ' '^ Q.. What ^o you mean by faying, it was reiry well- known u' ready by what had happened ? * '' / ', -' A. I d9 n^)t recollct"t the nameoV any perTon tKut 1 n^^r repr^fenred nivfelt- to as l.ving under the protection of the Dukeof Vc^k■. •'•■ •' *' ' ' -•■'-,'•"• ^ Q.. Will you pofitively hy you do -not recoil e6V ?TeV tb have- ftatt^d, tliat you lived urider the protedlion of "tiic DukeofYork? ' ■ •-^-■n'-^r-- • A. ^'es, 1 will pofitively fay, that I do niltVecoIldcl that I did, to anv iiarrieuiar perlbnr ' "" ^■"^' -'^'-•-M'- ' • Q. \yill you: fay, tliat yr)u never rcprefthted ybnnelr'as being \in(iej' the protw6lioiib't"'any gentU>raan of the rramif' u^Mellifll^ ; :,,:'J\ '''"'"1 " A. No, I never d'd/ nor any othifrL '*'^*^*''^"^^* ••" ^V You -tfre" jTofiti ve o f t hat ? ' • ' ^A, (^itefo: ' '-'• ''■•[■'" Q. ]3id you eve.' make any reprcfentafiun to tliat effect ? -*y4. 'Never. ' ' ' ■ ' ■ ^. - ' ' ^'^^ ^• ' ■ Q. Did you never make any fuchreprefentation totjc'-* rreral Ciaverin^'?-" ' ' ' ' '' m '».^ ^^.No, n-ever ; I will repeat what was faid in my par* lour ;■ General Clavering was mentioning to me, one mojn- ing when he called, that Turf Melfifh Was juft Tciting^ff wilh Genernl Fcrgufpn ; I laid, yes, I have 6^n ("oldlfc, that he had taken leave of the Prince the liigTit before i*_ he faid that I was in a very good hoitie, and fornethin_ tfiat Contra6tors and Beef w«nt on very well : YHat \^as^^Il. thai pa (Ted :• i made no anfwer to that : I have man V'^iitrc^; bciird the report; both of him and many other^'v-^ '.*^'»' li-3 Q. Do 1 r * * V,' ( 3rfi ) -•'■■:. Q. Do you rec'jIletT: having ccnverfalion witli, Ma' T)<)novim, in November hil, re'atitc to the prcjcecdmgs ^hai are now taking place ? — A. N(b Q. Do you .reco.lcc't Itaiing, in a converfation tft Mr. Donovan, that ii his lloyaV Highncfd the DiiV.e of York ' vould not come in'o y^ ur terms, yon would publilh. all tjie tranfaftioris which had palied beiwten )ou durirttg the tia>e you had lived icgeihei ? — A. No, Q. Did nny thing (o that eilcct pais between yon and • Mr. Donovan r — A. -No. ^ Did you ever try to reduce Mr. Donovan to afTiftyoa in any purpol^ of expofing the D. ike of York, or i:iibUlh- jpg ihofe tranfacHions r - - ^. No; but I will repeat what befaid tome in the Secretary's room the other night ; he faid, if he had been aware ot what Colonel Wnrdlt- i.nendedto liavedone, and he had called upon biru and timed hi* intentions and be- haved in ahandlonic mannc . he would have^i ut him into the way of proceeding, i;u. as it was. he ihoukl g » iniirely againli the whole of it; that he might have g-vcn hiiu- Diany and many cafes. ^ - ,,...,-• .: . ■>' M- Is that tonverlation wlTub took i)laGe the^othcs even- ing in the ^Vitnel^e8 ro.mi, the only one you h^v.ecver had w*th Mr. Donovan concerning thif bu^neli ?:..;•, . A. 'J'be only one, except what 1 wrote* . • " . Q. Wa» any body prefent wlien this- Gonverfatiou- tCK)]? place between you and Mr. Donovan in the "WitnelEEs*^ room? . . . »'^: -V A, It was full of perfons, but he fpoke to mc privately apart. ........... _ ; ^> -^ , . , . .- .::■- "'• iQ, "Did you ever Yi.eation Sir I^ ranci,s Bwrdett'g iwme to. llr. Donovan ia aoy way connc6led with thii iahji?^^.: t^. Bo yduTtuavi' Sir {"raneis Burdett ? ••• * '^* :=-j= w/ ' ' A. 5b what'^'ay, as ian acquaintance oc i.€rfonalJj^?: i i^r H, Havejrou e^er fpojten u. him or he to yoii. ?. v vV .v A, l.toMl^EQ^'} h^'betu^a >iiUc ac^jcwiaic^.^vitb hiitw ; , - a, gas of h -••(3. Has Sir Kraiu is Buidc.ic ever wiitt.n uj ycu or H-nt y liurdcit fi nee May hut, and ihat \\ :is mcTe?y .'xcidciual. ► U. f favc y ;u ever told Mr. DonuVHii^ or luij body Ciftv rliac Srr Francis hurdett offered \un mo.iey f >r l«me^i)tirs in your polltliiun, or a:iy tiling to lliai til-ettirn-i. .No^ ^^. 'Doyou know Cnptain Uodd ? . . - ,,'-. r.^' .p*. .^> Yes J do, il^shtly. ' - .^ '-^i ^:'is; ;Ci.' HiAV long have you known- Cnpta- n Doild^ ; _... , ,^,^. jL Sin^e niy-living^ In his neighbou' hooiL .; .^.. ^ . Q* Do yoo often (ifc Captain Dodd ? , x, , .; -•=, - ^-tji A.\ Wljat is meant by ofLei>? , . '^. IMoretim,es_ tii:ni once^ orjipwq^ten ? . ^ ^ ^:^,„;^^ *W.f^.Y(ii move time's lh^anQ^ce. iithiit is ofipn^ ,. /^.^,. a. When did you iVe Captain Dodd hl\J ., , .'...-, .\- n^, A, \ do not recollect ; biit I have n-) view in fcreeiiin^ it nt all J I am not ailiamcd of Ca^.tiiin D\.»dd,.-nor^L43rffj ^ fay Capta n IX>dil of fue, cin'yj perhaps juitjat ib.is i\\\\^. y^ ^ Q. Did Captain D-.xld by any nutans demand- oi^'a^ of yoti any papers in your poUcliioii^' relative,^ thi^^tJiantaGpr tioni > '*^ • ' ' ' . .^^ \ A, "Never; we have never talked about it. • ,-. V \ Q,, Did you ever reprefent to ]Vfr . Donovan, or any otIier>' , perlon, that Captain Dodd had tried to procure from ytH^t*' j^oiDE papers r6lalive to this tranfa^ftu \ . ^ ,^^ j».. „ .^n ]. i!i ^A, Never to any one. / ^ :""'•. .^^ j^ . Q, Did you ever exprels any "vvifei to Mi*. D^ovjan, thij^ he would joia with you or AHiit^you i^ profecu^iu^ ^thjji ii^ c]ulry.?-i^-. .'Never. '•' - ^^.'■■: : ^Z^, .. ,. -\ ^,.^_ ^^ Q. Or anyfubjed conne^ci witii^ t^aji^(fl,^o|^ «0^ under inquiry ?— .4. Neve^"^/'-:V'rl::; '.!,'*.. .Uh ^-i^' ^. Do you know Colonel M*Mahoii?73-^,,X^8;.<; * k: tt*^^idyou-ever write an anonymCuir letter itd^i^,Bpjr^* Higbnc^ the Piinc c ot W^lcs ? ' , ^ .' ( 380 ) A.'^To iKew ColoneJ M'Mahort ih h*?'pf(>per coIdufBpI^ m'Ul [M'oduce his notes here to-morrow evening, ' ^- ^ Q. Did you ever write an anonyniDUs letter to His,R(iyui " Highnels the Prmce of Wales r A, I wrote u few linee tothe Trmce of Wales-, ftuting that a perfon wilhed t« fte him, and C-^loacl NrMabon called. ■ . ' Q. Did yon fign your own Tiam'^, or any namoy, to thofc few lines which you lent to the Prince ot V\ a'es ? A, It was only 3' few lines without any name, and Oi- lonel M'Mahoa cali«d in conlonueDc-j;, and when the I'er- vant opened the door, he atkcd, who k«pr the hoafc ; "Mrs. ' Farqafaar, that was my inothcr. When he caj^ie up flairs ioto the drawii7g-roo[n, ke faid/ Mrs. Farquhar how do you do ; wh-t is the bufrnef- ; I-iold him, that I wilheii to fee the Prince of Wa!e6, and aiter a Few minutf^s co:i- verfatiou. Colonel AI'Mahcn found that l was Mis. Clarke ; lie then pr»:.mifed to -communicate the mellhge to the Prince, and the next day brought ine a very c'vil m\^iTage • from his Uoyal Hrghneis, ftating, that he was exlrenieij forry he was obliged to go out of town to Brighton, whii:h he'tB.xi do that morning, that it was im|X)lhble f )r him lo- interfere, that he had a veiy great retVeft torme, was rorry:. • for?The' manner ;"m -which I had bstn- trerrred; aixl that Colonel M*Mahcn might ufe his influeiice' whh the Duk» • of y-ork to bethcbcarer of any meflage that mighr.bc thr '■ means of making -peace ; but that it was a very deliraic matfter for his Royal High n el's to interfere with his bro- ther. .Several notes pafi'td between Colonel M*MahQii and.rae, artd fereral interviews. He mentioned to m*e that he had fecn hi^ Royal Highnefs tTife Dtike of York at onetime, I think in July, that the Duke of York' asked hnn, if I w^ nqf very moch exafperated againfl hiin,' shnd • it' I 'did .mot- ■li'fe^'' very 'llrong language, and •abufe brm. CokjBcl M*Mahon laid, quite the contrary, Sir,'^ I aiTure yon' 94rsi Gl*Ke>i's-vcry'mUd towa'i'ds you,- and {he lays the whole of the blame on Mr. Adam 5 he (aid; She is very right, I WiU feeiirt64ier affairs. That was the end offbe flrfttricffffgid. i"! fhiftk-thehftmefTage that Colonel M*Ma- hon brought me was, that he could nbt bring his'Bojflal' • -' <"• Highnefs ( 3ftl ) Migbnt/s to any ttjrm«r at all, to any fort rii ni#aniRt^ #«d* frrn:r^ the debts, and aUhoiigh I hatl bclii^vcd lo \ ery ' haiidlonif towards his jioval Highnrf^, ;ii)d !j:.(1 exwAed wjt!iing but hi.sown promiies fobeputJiirxccuiit n, (')rcTen to -take tbe Turn tbai wns due to moaipon the annuity and par the iradefmen, and then i V4'i)u]d let. his Royal High-' ntis oft of the debts, us that perhs;.\s would fatibty thcra ; ■ that he con.hd':re to be read here ^o-morroTT,- 10 corroD'nate what I hare flatcd. : • - Q. Did you nn November^' Docembrr lalt,. reprefent. yourftli tjo-anv pcrfons as Itill havinglhe power of practu* ing Wilirary Piomoiioni, orany oth«r offices ? . ■ t ■ vi.!lv« ;'but i reeommended feme that wanted promo- *" lion to a perfon.^ ■' . . • - ; , ^-r rri . . . :•' fe^, \Vho->v«i> the perfon to whom you rerommendcii - theun ? • -: - :-i -z -t^; ji^.lv.'{^\ mention his name ; and I intend taiiave him hrr« ;. but it cajiiiot Ka|7pfeq imme':o' h:!'^.''- •- ■.■■ - -. "' . >::";;: rr • * ; { : \ii i^-t' .\ : Jt^ranfwer the queftion, it will be impotlible ferine ^ot— if I ro«iace him here; be tnUI. get out. of the way ; lie AJriH .-; do: coKie licrf. . ., i .^^ . ■ ' [The ( 382 ) ♦ - ■•••' [The 'Chairman informed the Witnefs that (he muft anfwer the queftion. ji. Mr. Maltby, of Fidimongers' HalL r Q. Js Mr. Maltby the only -perfon'to whom yf>« have made any reccmmendation lince November or December lad? • ;' ' . -^.' Yes ; except the letters I fent to General Clavenng. Q, Have you reprelenteci yourfelt at any time, tincc theclofe of the year 1600, vos ^having it in your power to procure Army prom :)tior.&, or other ouices : A. No; except through ]\lr. Maltby, which Tie can fpeakto, if they lay hold uf him. . Q. Have you had. any communication with any other perfonthan Jvlr. Malrby, relative to the procaring Army promotions or offices ? :^."iNo; except "W'bat I have jaft fpoken-to. o^. '.What iituatians did you endeavour to procure through Mr. ^Maithy; and for whom ? ' > A. As I , [The ( 383 ) .-[il't; Cliairmar. iuforined the.Witnefs (lie niufl give a direct anivver to ihe qucftions ; uulels iiie objccled to thcnj^, 4ind appealed tu the Ghair. Jl. J certainly inHllobjecl" to them. [The Chairman informed the Witnefs) that it was the opinioiLofllie Committee that fhc lliQuld name the perlbns.] A. I have already nnmed Mt*. Malthy ; if lie is brought ibrward ptrliaps he will name the perrons. [The Chairman again informed the Witnefs, •""■ '■■that It was the opinion of the Committee ^'^' "Ihat (he fliould n^ne the pcrfong. ^ .'f. One is Mr. Lawfon ; 4 cnnnot reco!le(5t the other. • (J. KecolJe*t yourfelf, and ftaie. tt) the Committee thofe perl'ons whoin ,yrv.i ib reprefentcd as y5ur friends, whoie •'iiamesryou ^vDuId communichte "v^hen y6u bad, their pej- «:il}iani? r-i- -.-■-- ■ . "* nyi. Tiiat is one of them. , - Q. Who were the m hers ? .:..^. J donat recolie(^. ■ . / = » . (^.•^Vhy did you fpeak of friends/ . indeed of fpcaki ng <3f f» fiugle friend r- ' • . ) • •♦ A. If you try to ferve a perfon you call them your friends, it you intereli yourlelf lor thcn>. . — . ■. Q, Do you flake ;thc veracity .x)f your, teftimony upon Ihpt laltnnUver, that yon reco11e6lbut one of ihofe persons ? . A. I think that 1 ought to appeal to the Chair now.- ' . , ; [The Chairman dlre6lecj the Wifiiefs to ftate • ' the objeftion fhe' had^ and the, .Coi;uii^;4i;ii would decide upon it.] ' .. »;"* ..^^ ^.o^J*. . . ..i ».'..«•,.* * ^. '. I ,■■»..".■•. -~ J ..'«• I w» A' Tie is a v ry refpec^able 'man, and *he'has hecffal*- ready very ill nfed, and 1 am afraid of committing him ati'di his iamily. . . .^,^r^- i ' t 38-1 ) ,.'• -[The Chairman dirc(::ted trie Witncfs -td tiaitie the perlon whom {tin alluded to as a relpcct- ;^.; able pcrloD.j .. A, That is giTinj his name nt Cnce j reaMy Ic^tniot pronounce his nerae rightly, thougii 1 Kuow iiow to l^ell it, and 1 muft be exculed. ' ^~-. - .i'Q., Do you iu>t kuow how to pronoonce the aame of your particular friend, whom you Veprafented as a hardly ixicd man ? [The Chairman admoniihed the Wittiefs that her prefent conduct was v^ry difrelpetStftil Xo the Committee."] '*^' A. I mean to behave very refpeAfuUy, and . I am very forry if i do not ; but 1 do not know but the Gentleman may iofe tlic" money he has already lodged, if I mention his name. '"The Chancellor of the ExcuEtiuER wirtied the witnefs to be told, that " with whatever forbear* ance the Committee had hitherto treated the witnefsj that it could nbt long endure this trifling on her part Vvith the queftions which the Committee chofe 10 afk ; but tiiat (he miift, if fhe did not alter her bcha- yiour, fuflfer the punilhnient with which U^e Com* mittee of the Houfe of Commons, out of a'regard to its own dignity, mult vUit an obllinate pcrfevet- ance in a want ot proper refpedl/* .. : The witnefs was then ordered to withdr^tw* . Mr. Windham conjectured that there was a mlf» take on this point. The witnefs,he underflood, hadnot poiitively refufed to anfwer, nor done any thing with fefpe^'to '^thisqueftion which neceffiirily implied a diirelpect to the Houfe. She had, before anfvvering dire^Uy,' fiated an additional realbti why (he Oiould OOt anfwer. for die oonfideration of the Committee ; «nd that n:rtfovi wa^, " that the individual, if named, would ( 385 ) wdtild'be fubjecl to great inconvenience and fuffer- ing*' it did not nttcrllarliy foilow that the witnefs was blaineablc for rubiuittiiig that rcalbn before Ihe anfwered. ^ ^'*^'~ ^' ^"'"- ' The CflAACiiLUDR of the "Lxchequer would be forry \t an iniprcfiion prc^-ailed.any \wi»rexhatht; had interfered too-loon; and ii: there were at^y gen- l}emen,'iwho did not-pcrcjeve, during the "Mft naif hour, in the witncls's conchict, an attempt to evade, te trifle *2tnd {bu?!ie, C^' Ao !-:nor\ from J rubral members.'] He meant to Itatc that no other witntifs in any other caufe than this could, upon difplaying fuch improper behaviour as this wiuif^ls had dope within the^laft . half hour, efcape being comjuitted. The Honourable . Gentleman did not agree with.iiim m that; but it was certainly his opinion. He did not howjevery impute blame- in any quarter for fuffering t'he witnefs to proceed in this fprt of hehaViour thijts lcJiij^5'but at the fame time*, 4h*fapport.^f the di'g- riity^of the'CornnnitteCj it was neceffary to aiT^it * the^refpedl 'due to Jt, after 'lon_Jiind niaiiifefj abufe . oi.indiligence. . " Q. How did you become acquainted with Mr. Lu- dowick.'' — u4. Through different friends. Q. Name the friends that recommended Mr. Ludowick'. to you ?--■-■• ' i^w A, I cannot exactly name which it was in partlcularj-- but Mr. Maltby can tell, if- he is had before the Houfe.' iQ. Name the friends that recommended Mr. Ludowick' to you ? A. I cannot name any one in particular j" Mr. 'M:alttjy knowsraore-of him, himfeh, than I do. Q.. Is Mr. Ludowick the perfon whom you ftatod 'fls having fuffered enough already, whofe name you were^ unwilling to tell r — A. Yes. . -• ' Q, In whjit.h^s.hefutiered already r .da vfl'l [^ . A. In lodging his money, and being a long while out of the Appointment, meeting with frequent dirappf>i5t- ments from day to day. At a future time, or after ,Mr. MaltVy has been examined^ I will mention the General Officer's name ihat he has made free with, I do not know" wh'^ther co:re6l;y or incor.ei'^ly. (i. Th.it who h?.s made free with, Ludowick or Maltby ? " A. MHhbr-. -^^i* - ...■'.•{*' .. Q.'AVhalt^ ( 3s; ) } .Q. WliJt dlfappoiniments has Mr. Ludowick fufi»rcJ, to vvljich you allude r ,.A. 1 bayc alreudy ilatcd them. "Q. What Appuir.uncnt has Mr. Ludowick been dllkp- pointedaf? A. I believe two or three; firft one was" mentioaed, then anothej" J I'cannot fpeak to one pariicalarly. Q. Try to recoUedt: any one of thcra, or all of them ? J. 1 really cannot ; when Mr. Maltby comes forward^ he will be able. Q. Do you mean to ftatc, that you cannot recollc<5l any one of the Appoititnients ^Ir. Ludowick has been difap- pointed of? A. One I can ; but there have been three or four fince- offered to him, neither uf which he has been able to pro- cure. -. - Q, Name tliat onQ^ \.,A, Affiftant CommifTnry, I think. Q. Where has Mr. Lu-lowick K dged the money whrch you fpeak or', or with whom ? _,. A. As to that I cannot tsi', but I can when I io,kovxi.- Xiiy papers at ho lie. . . ' Q. IK) you^ fay pofitively, th«t, without lo king ovtx^ your papers at home, you cannot i^iy where this money, is lodged } — A, Yes, I do. ,. . ,>i Q. How much money has Mr. Ludowick lodged ? ^A. From eight hundred pounds to one thoufand pounds. . Q,. Who was the General Officer whofe name Air. Maltby reprcfented himfelf as having made ofe of? . A. Is that a fair oueftion. [The Chairman informed the Witnefs that (he I'.iC' ' muft anfwer the queftion.] ^, Sir Arthur Wellefley j aad one of the excufes.ibc one of the Appointments not taken place was, Sir Arthur , being fo very deeply engaged in the invefligation atChelfea. If this is not true, I'm doing Sir Arthur a great ferviceby bringing it forward. Q. What Appointment was it that was fo delayed, by Sjf Arthur being fo much engaged i K k 2 A.l ( 388 ) - A. I believe it was this iirft, that of At^ft^nt Com- EoiiTary, buflam-not fure, . ■ ~. < ; r^ ^. For whofe ufe is the moraey lodged ? yi. I do not know, but I can tell by locking at rny pap«r3-. ^. Yod have certain papers at hom^, which will enable you ro llate to the Comnaittee for whofe benefit the fum of money in queftion is now lodged," and where it is lodged }—A. Yes. ' '" ' - ' '•• -^ .- •^"•.- .' Q.- How came you to be in pQlfefTion of thofe pnpers ? A. Th«y will ^(hew for themfelves- when I produce them, better than I can explain it. ■^' ".■'•-'-'.. > . { Q. How came you in pofltflion of thofepapers ?• "^ - ■j-/.' F^ora iVtr.Ma'Itby. ■ ,^ ■ ^ -. - Q. Vv'as it Mr. Maltby that introduced Mr. Liidowick'^t* yon, or you Mr. Lnd^wit-.k to Mr. Maltby r A. ] tfo n-:t ibiiik they havt^ rvcr letii e^ich oilier, --hot that I knt;w of. -- Q. Did you firft mention Mr. LudowIckV? name to ^tr. Maltby, or did Mr. Mnltby mention it tirft ta you? ' '*•'■"■ ji. I to Mr. Maltby ; I believe he has been fn the habit of ai^ling as agent for the fe tenor a dozen y^rs in -this ' fort ot" way. ' . .' " ■ " '■-■.":•.- Q. Has Mr. Maltby mad-i ufe of tb.e namedf aiw ofher perrbnt)elid^s^bir A-rthur Wellefley?'^''^ .-..t-vv^. ,. -yf/ He'has'writtt^n very jointed!)^ to that to noe, and fpoken befules. •'^— - "■' ■.'^•'' :. ?:"'4^ Q. Has Mr. Maltby made ufe of -the name of any other perfon befides'Sir Arthur Wei lefley"? ---"'-* ^ • . ' A. I cannot recollef'H: at prefent'j but I Ihall, at a'^futurc time, if Tailfhere, aild A^-i!l ftateit. ' ' -"^ '"• ;/, " Q. Wliere did jou form yonr friendfnip for'Mr.Lu- dowick? ' >^ '""*""' ' ■ ^":^ •.'/•.:• r.f,..^ .; -A. I have already fa!d, that any man that I interefted myfelf for, I confjdercd as a friend; I am not intimate with hmi, - -.- Y,. ... ., -, . . *' ■ •—--'-' Q. Ho**» came ynbto Interefl yourfelf in ^^r. Ludowick ? A, Fjom a friend of mv own. „ ^-^ Q. Who was tliat friend r — A. Mr. Barber. ■" ": -• , Q, Where does. Mr. Barber live .^ '\'< -'r^ ■*'■'' '-^. InBroad'Street, in the Cirp ' •' f-K Q.. Hoy long h:v;e yl\i kn:)vyn Mr, Ludowick } ' ' A.l C 389 ) A. I do not know him, but by means of his family! Q. Do you mean to fay you have never feeu Mr. Lu* dowick ? ' A. No, I did not mean to fay that. <^. Where have you letn him, and wlien ? A. I have already faid, 1 do r>ot knoW him j I might bave feen him, and not have known him. Q,. Have you ever feen Mr. Ludowick, or not ? A, I cannot tell, as not knowing hisperfon. Q. About what time was it that tliis Commiflariat ap- pointment began to be in ncgociation ? A. 1 cannot remember, but the papers will date it ex.* atStly. Q. What year? — .-/. Lall year. ' * Q. Can you recollect what part of laft year? ^ A. No, 1 cannot. , ,Q, What kind of papers arc thofe y«u allude to ; are they letters ? . .Jf* Ido not know what they are. j};,|fei. Do you mean to fay, that you do not know at all what kind of papers they are? _' l.^\^' ^.'^A* They are papers written oo. *' '* \^' jQ. Are they letters, or fecurities ? . ..A* ;'Eiifcy ihew what they are 3 I cannot exa£tly fj)eak'td them 5. i will give them to Mi'» VVardle to-morro\v*. .^'f 'Mr. Croker \vifhed the queftion to be repeated. It was of importance, he said, to get a more definite anfwer with refpe6l to thefe papers, that the Com-- inittee might be fatisfied, that whatever.papers might be produced were the fame now alluded to ? ^ j ;^ t. ^^. . „^., - ^ . Q. You have faid, that thofe papers will inform the Committee of all the particulars of this tranla^ion • how can vou fay that, if you do not know what thofe paiicrs are > . .^v .^;:; '" . A. Becaufe 1 do not know how to deferibe tliejn 'exa(?py, - Q. Do you recoUe(^ their contents > '■;^';.' ''•,y-;\' A. No, I do not ; but I know there'are a great many letters from Mr. Maltby, and fomef ing ar;out the bank- ers j enough to fhew the whole of the tranf.:6ti^jn."- ''^ , K k 3 Q. Do ( 390 ) $. Do you recolle6t to hax'c ftated to Captain Donovan, ihat if his Royal Highnefs the Duke of York was in- formed of your ever having received any money. It would be your ruin ?• A. Never to any pe lafl; Witnefs with going to the Duke of Portland ? u4. I had heard that (he had been there ; and I wondered what fhe could be doing there ; To far I d*id reproach her. Q. Who told you that flic had been, at the Duke cjf Portland's ? - .i. I heard it at the Oftice I mentioned in the city ; a perfon described her perfon, and they faid there was a TidewaUcr's place to be fold, they believed ; but they vvcro not certain ; it depended on an appli- cation tnen making by a lady to the Duke of Port- land ; I went again in a few davs j they defcribed a perfon excfeflively like Mrs. Clarke, and.when'I faw her I quedibned ber about it, and faid if it w|^ fo, ibe >^as doin^'venr-wfong.' - * ' "^' ' ,-, .. , -Ql'Dpyori knpw Mr; Mahb^ ? ; " r'-^ "^^S^.-Thave-feen him once,' Tthink, at Mrs. Ciarke'svl Q. Did you ever ende|iyour to trace xh^ tran&jt/-' tjons carrying on by^ M/.'^Maltby'? ^\^^ ""■ "^ ^■' ' - '•/ifi^rdTd in fome meafnfe.^'bat I could npt^ at' "all fucceed ; he would not comrnit himfelf at'all'to me ; J endeavoured to catch him'upon one.poiiU, but be would "not operr to ir.e at all. • - ,.^ •-^Q.' Were you aware that the Witnefs was employ-^ ing Mr. Maliby in thefe trsiiGi^'^ions ? ^ . ^^. I merely underfiood^froui hjer that he waserp- ployed in one bnfinefs, which I endeavoured .to.firvd out, bull endeavoured in vain ; I c^uld notgetlum to open 'at all: -■ \ -? /'•'^.'^-^^•^'•^^r^^f;. Q. ,Did fljc ftate t^ you that it wajs a blifiners-i'|i which' (he was concerned.^ '*-.•)•>>: ly ,; y./. i^. A* No, .ilic did not ; fhe jiierely mentioned ihat ( 394 ) he WAS about bufinefs, I forget the name now,l was exceffively anxious to find it out.- -' '-^i*^v- ^^^- Q. Did Ihe ever mentioti to you the bufmefs re- flecting Mr. Ludowick ? .J, I do notl^novv that ever fhe did ; I do not know the name at all, but I really " think fhe faid that he was in the habit of doing it tor a number of perfons ; one cafe (lie mentioned^ and 1 endeavoured to lift it to the bottom, . ? ^.: . ... . ,,^. 0. Did fhe ever ihew you'thefe papers (lie has.re- ferred to ? •.-'.• -■■■■■ :/••'' _ w^.. No, ihe did not ; I think I faw, one of two notes to her about the thing I endeavoured. to find out, but It has escaped me what it was ; it.is.feveral weeks ago, and I have had fo njuch upon my mind^ ^lat after an attempt or two, it is impoffible to recal it. [Mr. Crok.br explained, that the reafon he had put the queflioBS regarding Sir F, JBurdett and Cap- tain Dodd was/l)ecaufe he thought itwaKdueio them to counteraft infinuations thrown out which, he fuppofed to be falfe. ^\ -^ On a propofal from a Member to take means .to infure the attendance of Mr^ .Maltl)y, by the i5xercife of the authority of the Houfe, Mr. Alderman Combe said that he was well ac- quainted with'that Gentleman, that. he was clerk to < the Fiflimonger's Company, aivd could not eafily withdraw himfolfl] :. ^.. J^ ,'.- ry • ^^ -j'i ir;^;.-r- -'.^ - , , ; •' - •■- r > J;- Colonel GORDON was called in, and examined * by the Committee, as follows: -^ >^''' \ ' The Chancellor of the Exchequer. Q. Have you brought , with you the official documents reipe6i;ing the AppoiiU- mennt of^Tajor Tooyai ., ,. ^.j. ,' • ^i2j . ^. Yes, I have. * v * "6?" State to the Committee what yon kaow upon that A. I ( 395 ) .A. I h'tld in my hniul • the rirrt rccommetidailon upon the fubje6t of Captiiin Tonyn — iVlnj or Ibnyn : with the peruiillion of the Committee, 1 will read it. ^[Colonel Gordon read a Letter, figned Patrick ]'"■' " \Tonyn, dated the 27th of June, 1803.] "** May it pleafe Your Royal Highnefs. "Sir. '* In the prcfcnt period of extenfioii of His Majefty's Forces, I b^g feave to recomracnci the 4S1I1 RLgimcni to Your Royal liiijhnefo'ij con- fideration. "I hope it will not bf thought I prefume too far to fay, Captain Tonyii for fome time pad has commanded ilic 48th at Malta ; and with p^reatfiibmiflion, I likewife venture to mention Lieutenant Tonyn : and I moft humbly petition Your Royal Highnef?, gracioufiy to condefcend to grant my Sons Your Royal protedion. " With moft profound and dutifut refpeft, I l«avc the honour to re- mafin/ with all Xubmiffion, i .. ^. -..•,. .w--; "Sir, "Your Royal Highnefs's :,/ ,,-;; ~. ■■ *' moft devoted Servant, \' "' ^., './'^ \ ^ ■ ■■■ 'V -' .- ^'.Pat. Tonyn." , .q^.J ^^fv^ ^ -^' -■■•y - ti ,,-s,*Park Street, 27th June, 1803." OJ'V'lndorfed': *^^V'' • ' ■ ^ ?* Loudon, 27 June, I SqJ.i .i..,.. . ** General Tonyn.*' ' '■ ■ *^ Promoted to a Mujorliy in. the 3i.t*r .^ - < ^^<;rhnBni.f upon the formation of a second iiiLttaLkm.^ 4n. Jug-. ,04 — U'it/rout pur- chase." " -^ ■ (luclofure.) ** H. "R. H. will be gl-ad to confider the General's two Sons on favoT.ir- able opportunities for promoting them." >■ . ; . Q. General Tonyn was an old officer ? r.>..^ -• A. One of the oldtfl officers, T believe, at that time in the Army.. The anfwer to that Letter is dated the 29th of June, 1803. - ., [Colonel Gordon read it.] M-'JC. "Sir, " Horfe-Guar3s, 29th "Jun?, i8o3.»' *' I have to acknowledge the receipt of yourletter of iIk- 27th intla[it, recomniending to me- vour fens Captain Tonyn aiid Lieut. Tojiynof the ( 396 ) the 48:0 Regiment; and I requeft you will be afiaied, tliat I {ha'A. have n*ucn i Icalure at a favourable opportunity, to pay tvery aitcntioii in my power to your wifhcs in tbeir favour. ** 1 am, Ac. (Signed) *' FrpderlcJ,-, " General Xonyn, Con^maufier in Ciiicf." &c. <5lc. &c," Indorfed : " Copy of a letter from H. R. H. the Commander in Chief, to General * Tonyn, 29th June, 1803," The next document upon this fubjecl: appears to be a " Memorial from Captain Tonyn himfelf. [Colonel Gordon read it.] " To His Royal Highnefs the Duke of York and Albany, Com- mander in Chief of Hfs Majefty's Forces. " The Memorial of George Augufl. Tonyn, Captain in His Majelty*s48ih Regiment of Foot, « Humbly Sheweih, " That your Memorialift has been near twenty-four years an offi er ; fourteen of thefe on active fervice with the 48th Regiment, on all it5 various ftations, in the Weft Indies and the Mediterranean. " That youf Memorialift, being the fenior Captain prefent with the Regimeru, moft humbly implores Your R©yal Highnefs's protedtion ; and that Your Royal Highnefs will be pleafed to recommend him to His Majefty's Royal favour j that His Majefty may be gracioufly pleafed to grant him promotion to the rank of Major, inluch mauHer as Yolir Royal Highnefs Way think fit. " And your Memorialift, as in duty bound, will ever pray.'* Indorfed: ' '' ' ' "Menaorial. '. *' George Auguftus Tonyn, Captain 48th Regiment. : March-^18,4." .i ,r i- .[ ;« : r *.*. w ^r-.-^' '.• • 1 > (rnclofure.) *' Captain Tonyn to be noted for promotion, andacquainte'd thaLHis R. H. will be glacf toconfideriiim on a favourable, opportumiy. This Memorial is- without date, but it was received in March 1804. The Anfwer to that Memorial 1 hold in my handV^ . . • ^.; .: [Colonel ( '397 ; [Colop.el Goidon reaJ it.] ** Horse Guardi, «d tor proaunion ; aiid His Royal H.-glmCii wid Uegiad lo *^ consider vou on a lavoxirable opporxunitv. " 1 have, Arc. (Signed ) W. II. CUNTOiV;' *' Cajjt. Tonvn, '* IS Foot"," '* lib, Park street." Indorsed: *' Copv of 1,1. Col. Clinton's Letter to Capt. Tonyn, '' ot'thc l^lh March 1804." "^i'iie docMimLMit I hold in my liand relates to the pro- motion of Lieutenant Tonyn, alluded to in tlie tint letter of General Toin'A : it remains with the Couiuiittea to decide whether that is lo be read, 4>.' \\'as not (teneral Tonyn colonel oFthe ren;imeut at ■the time he made the «|5pheatTou in favowr ot" his son-. ? vi. ' Yes, he was. These are all the documents tiiat I have, "(N'itli respect to'Majcr Tonyn. It appeai-s, that in the month of Anj,-U5st ib04, a very lar;^e all^•raentat!on was made to the army, eonsistin«4 oi" no less than liity battalions; hi the tV,r:natlon ot'thoTe loattaiions 1 received tiie orders of the C.'ommant^ler in Chief to ])repare a hst of the senior ofTieers oi' the army, i^enerally, oi" each rank, and to take their names frotn the book of recom- mendations, where they had been noted. 'In consequence «ot' this Command, I did prepare a list, and fubiuitted it^ to the Commander in Chief; and, in that list, in the sarB€ list with ^Major Tonyn's name, there were fifty- three officers appointed to majorities ; namely, eleven majors removed frdni o'tlier corps, or from 'the half-pay : thirteen brevet majors ; twenty-nine captains. Of those cairtnihTi^fevf?!! 'were cuptuin:* lof -the year 17^4, nme were captains of the year 17C)5 (amongst them ^vas Captam Tonyn), five were' catitains of the 5'car 1791', seven of ■tli€ year 17f)7> and one of .the year 17.90- Hiave men- ticHied that Capt«.»u .Ton}Hi.' W4i3 ac.aptMia of l?!)^*-. tiiere • iSo. XII. * LI , v\eve ( 390 ) were only six captains in that year senior to hini in tli* service. That is all 1 know on the subject of Captaiii Tonyn's promotion. Q. It appears that in the letter of General Tonyn he recommends two of his sons; can you state anything with reference to the other fon ? A. On the 30th of May 1804, General Tonyn write? ngd'm : {^Colonel Gordon read the letter.] *' Sir, *' I have ihe honour to transmit a letter from Captahi Long of *' the 4yth, requestijiL; Hii Ruyul Highness the Commander *' in Chief's jiermis-ion to sell his Company, having jnircliasetl, ** 1 liumbly beg leave to recomniend Lieut Cluuies William *' Tonvn tolJis Roval Hiirimess the Duke of York's favournblc *• representation to Hi? Majesty; humbly praying, that He *' may be graciously plea-cd to grant hi«i Jeave lo purchase ■" Captai-n Long's Company, the mojiev being kxlged with the ** agent (or the same; as all tiic ofricers sianding before him in '* the corps have declined the purchase. *< Give me leave, Sir, to beg the favour of your good ofifices in " behalf of my scni, whose declaration I have the honour her«*- " with- to inclose, and that you will have the goodness lo im- ** ploie for him His Royal Highness's gracious protection. I *' luve the honour to remain, vith all respect, *' Sir, *' Your most obedient, and •' most huiiible servant, " PAT. TONYN." *' 118, Park-sireet, 50th May, 1804." Indorsed : **4Sth Foot. Lt. Tonyn, " Mem. 2d June lb04." (Inclosure 1.) *' «*Sir, "Mallow, 15th May 1804.-' " Circumstances of a peculiar nature having lately occurred, '* that oblige me to retire from the service, 1 have sent in a *' Men.orial to the Commander in Chief, to be allowed to sell *' my Commission at the regulated price. J take the liberty «)f ♦* informing you, as early a> possible, of my intentions, as 1 " have been given to understand your son would succeed lo •* the promotion by purchase. Should that be the case, if *' you'll have the goodness to lodge the money in the hands of *' Mr. Gilpin, the agent, and give me the earhest inforiHation, *' in ( 399 ) *• in ord.r thcit the b-,iMri"'is mav he forvv ir lod with a-» li'.'.le de- *' l.iy as p'jssibio, vuu will everoblig •, ♦• Sir, " Your vcrv oht-du-Ttt liwnible servant, *' General Tony n, ♦' E S, LUNG, Ca^^t. 48iIl Reft." •*^118, Park-street, near Hyde Park, Londoiu" Indor-^cd : *' Capt. Lang. , " 4rtih Rpgiment *' lath \Uv 1801, ** R 2-3d Vl.iy' *' All ofliceis concerned have cf^icUned purchasing." ♦ (Inclomre 2.) *' Sir, '^ 1 beg von vciv •will be pleased to obtain for mp, II's Moos*..'-; '• pernit35i«)n io purctidi*; Ca|;iainL.y;ii;*s Cump^ny in the 4diU. ** Regiment of Koot. ** la ease His Majenty shall be graciously pleased W) permit m? .-•' t04)urchase the same, I do declare and ceriit'y, upon the ** word and honour of n:i officer and a gentleoian, that I will ** not, now, or at any future time, givs by any i^eans or in ** any shape whatever, d'lrectly or indirectly, any mote *' than the sum of one thousand five hundred pound-i, bemg *' the full value of the said commi-isionjai the same is liiniied ** and axed by His Majesty's regulauon. ** 1 h:ive the honour to be, " Sir, yonf most obedient and " most humble servant, « To the Colonel or Commanding " E. W.TONY.V, OfEcer of 48th Regimeiit." *' U. 4Bt)i Kcgt." ■ *' I beg leave to r-ecoramend the above j and I verily belipvethc *' establish'^d regulalloij, in rc^'ard to price, is intended to ♦. e "■•*' fJtrictly complied with; and tliat no clandestine ba'rgain sub* " sists bclweed th3 parties CQiicerned. •♦ PAT. TONYN, ^ . ** General and Colonel. "30th May 1804." ." •■>'•-• . ■ . •: The Tnclosure is the Letter from the young raan him:*elf. * • ■ " ■ . Q*. Did all the officers who were promoted at the time Major Tonya was promoted, receive tlieir prouiotiou into , the new corps without purchase?- A. into the new corps, most certainly. Q. All the new captains those tiiat were promoted into the au'j^mentation of tiie arnrvy. A, Yes. .-: . . ^ . " ■ LI 2. ( 4(;() ) Q. Did many of them appear in the same Gazette with Alaior ToPivn r A. I have slated, that there were fifty-three field ofil- cers in the same Gazette, and 1 should imaj^iue, without countmj^ them, there could not be less than two huw- dred officers aito<::ethcr ; the pa})er is now in my hand. Hon. 'Mr. Yorke. Q. Atih * time this great augmenta- tion took place, and lists of olTicers were preparing- in the office of the Conuni n ler in Chief, were those lisls a se- cret, or was it ni any one's power, on referring to tl:e clerks, to see those lists? A. I endeavour to keep those things as secret as I p.js- sibly can, but in so large a piotnotion, it is imposbible for ine to say the secret was exactly kept. Q. Previous to the gazetting of those commissions ■wliich haVe been ailuded to, when the list was completed, or nearly completed, was it possible to keep the secret so far, as to prevent the contents of tkose Uats beiDg more or less known? A. I tlo Tiot think it was. -Q. Give the CommUtee some account of the purchase aud sales of commissions In the army, the luanner in which tliat business is transacted, and in whose hands the purcbase money ;iS lodged. A. I have already stated to the House, ond it is in evi- dence.beibre the Committee^ that the same rules apply to the promotion of oflficers by purchase, as without ; but in order to ensuce the greatest possible regularity, every rc'jment.in the service is oi:dered to transmit a return quiirterly, of the number of officers in each regiment disposed to purchase, and to mentioa. in such return "wlrere th« purchase money is to be had ; those returns nre entered in n book in the Commander in Chief's of- fice, and in the event of a vacancy those returns are in- variably referred to, and the officer senior upon "the list, if in all respects eligible, is invariably recommended, provided it does not interfere with other officers of greater pretensions. " - ■ " ' Q. In whose hands is the purchase raoney deposited or lodged? • • •' -A. Before a recommendation is submitted to His Ma-" je5ty for pur^^hase, it is necessary that a paper should be setit to tlic Connnander in Chiefs otiice from the "a^^nt,*^ . . L 6tutin|j ( 401 ) . statintr tliat lie is sntisfic;! tliat the inomn' will be for ,. (•oiniML^ wlien tlic coinini^sioii is {razt-ttcd. Jt is not ii ^[ cessarv, and it is so tone i'drih t(» tlic army, as is str.te in a paprr upon tlie table of this Coinuiittt-e, that th^' oHicers are not railed upon to lod^-e the money in tiie aw-ent's liauds, hut they are only called upon to notify to theui, that it will be fartliconiiu{^ on tlie promotion being gazetted. Q.Does any part of the money relatins; to the sah^.of eoinniis>iuiis ])ass t'hroui^h the liands of" tlie (Jornniand'.r in Chief, or has the Coiniikinder in Chief any conlroul aver that n^or^ey .' A. None w iiatfcver. Q. Can yon state from your knowledg'e of the busi- ness of .the offiec, what is- the averai^e amount of the pnrcliasc and sale of commissions in the course of ii year r . jL ,The averaje amount for the last three years, an- ni>tiUy^ exceeds considerably four liundred thousand pounds. ^- . • Q, Give.the Committee somesaccount of the origntiof purchases and. smiles of commissions in tlie army, a-»id the etit'tt that thev have upon the armyi »/i- I believe that the origin of the purchase and sale of commissions arfses .pretty, much as follovvs: In everv other service in Europ-.^ it is understoo thw Ul^fX iUitst be ua CBsign, this * lieiatenaiatf . -' and ( 403 ) «?ni5 tliis a cnptniii;' but all rrcoTnmr'mlatioris havo comn roG:ularly tl;rouL:;h IIilmf proper cljauiiii, and I do not tlimk tht-rr is any one instance to tlie lontrary. ' Q. In the rtr^t document you fj^ave in, the former night, with respect to Captain Malin:/:, there is nunlved in the printed paper, in italics, the initials C. L. with the words *' ao^reed to;" what is the meanin;;- of those l*'tterb C. L.'l A. My lirst as'^istant is Colonel Lor^ine, C. L. ave the initials of his name, and *' }|c.rre«rd to," is put, and it then pusses into his hand:->, and is actetl upon. Q. Is the entry marked .with the initials C. L. the definitive entry with respect to any recommendation that cuines before you ? vi. No, it is not. Q. If anv alteration takes place aftei-wards, in what v;ay is tliat uotcd ? A. It is commonly noted in the same manner upon the same paper. Q. With the same initials ? A. When the initials are onc€ put, there is no occa- sion to ]>ut them a^ain, the paper invariably passes tlirough the same channel. Q. Is it usual when a recommendation is delayed in the office for want of sufficient ini'oruiation, but not de- tinitely stopped, to mark that in the same way with these initials, C JL. ? A. 1 commonly put a memorandum upon every .paper that passes under my hands. Q. How would vou mark a recommendation in that predicament ? A. If the paper was to be considered, I should say so ; " to be considf red." Q. If further inquiriL's were to be made, what would you say ? A. i should probably say, " to be considered," or very probably, ** cannot be acceded to." It is almost impossible forme to state the precise terms: I should adopt them accordmg to circumstances. Q. Would you state " not to be acceded to," when it was not determined that the reco'mmt ndation should not be accieded to, but only delay-ed, while further in- quiries Avere inakin<]^ ? A, If the jiaper was uot to be acceded. to, I should say, ( i06 ) perty; tbe Eusigncy then becomes vacant oF course, b\- purchase. i\ir. IVhithread. Q. In point of fnct, avsis the appli- cation ©f General Tonyu, in regard to his sec(>nd sou, succesdi'ul ? u-1. 1 think it will be found on reference to tlie docu- roeut, that the services of the second son of General Tonvn were not so lon^ as those of the eldest son ; and the General recommended the second son for purchase; and that he actually was promoted, I believe it will be found on reference to the dates, before the eldest son. Q. Vou have stated, that when this large piCHiiotion took place, in consequence of the augmentation of the army, you were dWected by his Royal Hij;hness td lay before him a list of officers to be promoted into this aui^- mentation, to be taken from the oldest officers of their respective ranks, in t)ie army; are you c^uite sure that the name of Captahi Tonya was included by you in the list you laid before the Commander in Chief, or was his name 'Suggested as addition and alteratiou in that list by the CGmmander in Chief ? A. I recollect perfectly well the circumstances] of that levy ; it was at a period of the additional force act; and thenames, upon the list which I submitted to the Commander in Chief, I-really believe, were wrHteu, almost without exception, with my own hand. I had one assistant toassist me in making oat the list ; iut I really believe, that the rough paper was actually written with my own hanul. ,v-^-ii Mr/Uuskissoiu u.Q. Do you answer, .that you .are. certain you included Captain Tonjrn's name in . Llie list- j'oirsubmjttedto the Commander lu Chief, as being ont^ afvthe oldest officers in the army in that class for pro- Miction ? ■ ' . . . ■ '- A. (As 'Certain aV I can be of a thing that I could n«t pftsviblv take my oath of.- ' ^ ."' ''-':*' -■Q. To the best of-your recollection ?-' „;•..- srt.-/-.:A,^,.^i . A.O, errtaiplyJ/l' >^r,: /*=% . jiuu* > .:.ii\.iii"il f^- Q. . If the ^name of Captain Tonyn had been !intn»-' duced by tlie Commander ifi-Chief, hyvjug been -omi^^i^ bv vourself, would vou not have lecoUected that cir- cum stance? -.. . ..•;;. • ;.: i „:. f. ' A> YcS. < '407 ) A. Yes, I tbuik I sliould ; it is in f^vidcnce bLfore \\ie Coininittee. o ; d;- tirsit examination, I bcij<-'v<*. Q. Do you not pul a mark upon uU papers, upon which any thir" .3 done or to be done ? A. ll is my constant practice to make a mark upon every paper, without exception, that comes into that ofHce ; 1 mean to sny that i^neralh'; many papers may escape me, hut that is my ijjeneral practice. Q, Accordin::; to what is done, or to be done ? A. \N k:itis to be done, Q. State ^whether the Commander in Chief has not -been in the habit of attending to recommendations by colonels of rer^iments for ensi^ncies in their \.arricular reL(iments, f)rovided tlie gentlemen recommended were certilied to be ebgible and fit fur service, and ready to join t;ieir regiments? A. Vca, certainly; but in giyin'G^ my evidence [before this House, 1 think it my duty to state, that the Com- mander in Chief does not consider that the patronage of the regiments in any manner whatever devolves upon the ■coloneh V , [The ^Vituess was directed to withdraw.] Oa the motion of the Chancellor oF the E.v- CHCQUEii, ibe House jvius resumed^ the Clminuaiv jepoited progress, and . obtained leave to sit again on Monday. ' Atter some conversation between Sir A. Wel- les ley, Lord H. Petty, Air. Ponsonby, Mr. S. BotJRNE, Mr. VVhitbread, and the Chan- CELLOU oF the Exchequer (the latter of whom urged the propriety of following up the inyestiga- tion of the subject before the House, and whrcb seemed to be approaching to its close.) It ,was ordered, that Mrs. Shawe, Mrs. Clarke, Mr. Donovan, Captain Sandon, Mr. Parker, (vsith Mc. Marsh's books), and several other witnesses, do attend the Committee «n Monday. Hon DAT ;■« ♦• ( 40B ) Monday fclrua/y IJ, 1809. ."^Ir/^^^AUDLE moved thnt the ordn- of the (in\ -^ur,tlie House goinfj: into a Con)nrittec to inqime 'into, Sec. be now' read; it was nvirl ar»(l llmiIie havin^i.i'one into a CoiniinUcc accordrniilv, V^Ir. \A'harton in the Chair. IVIr/l^OWLANT) iNULTBY was c- Heel in, -ami exainliicd-by the Conuiiiitee, as fullowi ; ^ Vhancelhr of, the Kxcliequcr. Q. Where do you liVe? ^^.j\t Fishriu)agecs«-.hiill. . ,-.•-»> ■ .'•• ^ Q. VWl>at is y/iur prot'efrSiou ? . - ' ~ .V ' ; :^-,' A solicitor^ - . . . . .r.^, . , Q. .Are you iicquaiiitt'd witli ]\Irs. Clarke? /^ .^"', 1 A. 1-atn. :-^^:^** ^ ; . / ' ' ^Qrfiow-longrhay&you .been acq uaiattd with TTer?' ' "A^^l thiiik about July or Aui^Ubt IHuG. . if you will •give'tne leave, I will state the \s ay in wbicii 1 bfi-caiiit; ac- (juainted with her : -it was throitL!,l» the inediuin of Mr. **K6sseil Maimers, vVho ^;is a member of the Ia«t-Piirlia- ■ werit •'•he*tnur'ri«i uf'siv-teT t>f my wife's ;~ : heboid me that he hiid been, introduced to Mis. Clarke, who had pro- ~fess€fd -au interest 'fn him, ainl^:hatshe would endeavour -tb-geta pUice fiMhiibthiaiighthe nQtan?/of.the-Diike ©f ' Votk^^ atid/h«' wished.'. to; bvtroduce me tp her..,j Under i.tbob'fi circv»|2jj>t$nces 1 did not kfio-w how to refuse -hiin, -,an{|J[>9^bOFdfcii^ly*i»et.I^ aUlriii house. , I believe 1 saw ^ Mrsi-Qlarke ^erl^s tive or six times in the coiirse of tkat v^ar ; '-after vrards-ijitjiil jjEQt see her a^^ain tilt a court tweirti you 'aiiH 'hrer on the occabion of yoor t>0i8"j^ ifitro- ' W» No business^ only a common acquaintance. '■^.''X)id':\'Tiu latsir any more on the subject of the? place she was to procure for ^Ir. Manners ? T, ,^ Jk understood tiiat bhe sliewed Mr. Manners a let- . . ter, ( 409 ) ter, stating- tliat the Duke was inoliued, or would com* ply with her request. 1 speak merely from memory, es it did not interest me. Q. Did you see that letter? /i. I am not quite certain about it, whether I did or not, but 1 remember the contents. Q. Do you remember from whom that letter pur- ported to be received ? A. It purported, as Mr. Manners told me, for I am iiot certain whether 1 saw that letter, to come from the D»ke of York* Q. At what time of the year 1806 did you hear of or see that letter ? A. I think it was very soon after I saw her, July or August, to the best of my recollection. Q, Did you hear from Mrs. Clarke at what lime her connection with the Duke of York broke off? A* No, 1 do not think she ever mentioned any thins: on the subject to me. 1 was led to believe it continued, from what she said to me in conversation. Q. In July and August she still represented to you that her mfluence over the Duke of York continued ? A. 1 understood from her that the connection wc$ not entirely broken off, that she occasionally saw the Duke. Q. Did you in the course -of the year 1806, bear from her any thing respecting the obtaining of any places for any body ? A. Kot to my recollection. Q. I understand you to have said, that from the year 1806 to the year 1808,. you did not see any thing more of her? A. To the best of my recollection, not till the court Uiartial in April. Q. Have you, since that time, had any communi- cation with Mrs. Clarke, upon tlie subject of obtaining places for any one ? A' Yes. ' .. ^ Q. When> A- I will explain : as a reason for my keeping up a connection with Mrs. Clarke, Mr. M'anners had a regi- mental account to settle as the son of General Manners, . No. XII. M m whie! ( 410 ) whu:h was likely to be procured tbrous;h the medium cf the Duke of York; it \v;;s necessary to liave a board' oi' general officers in order to settle that account ; Mr. Manners Mas indebted to ma for sums of money liiad occasionally advanced him to accommodate him, and I had an assignment of this debt, which anrounted to about one thousimd or twelve hundred pounds of ]Mr. Manners, for the purpose of repaying me; therefore 1 felt a httle interested in 'getting t'oe iiccoiints settled, if I could. With respect to the question assked me, 1 had a communication with Mrs. Clarke respecting" a Mr, Ludowick. Q.'When? A' I thiHk it was in September last; the latter end of August or September, to the best of my recollection, Q. 'What was the nature of the communication- re- specting Mr. Ludowick, and the circumstances of it? A. The circumstances were, that Mr. Ludowick wished to have some place or ap))omtment, and Mr5«. Clarke asked me, I believe, whether I knew of any such place; I said, that I would make some inquiry ; and I learnt that it was possible that the place of Assist- aut Commissary might be obtained : the consequence was, that money was deposited for that place, and 1 was led to believe that it might be eS'ected ; however it failed, and never took effect. Q. What is become of the money that was deposited, and in whose hands was it deposited ^ A, The money was deposited in the hands of Birch and Co. ih Bond-street ; the m«ney is there now. Q, In whose name was it deposited ? .<■■:■ •-/:.. A. Part of it was deposited in the name, I think/ of a Mr. Lloyd ahd a Mr. Barber ; another part of it was deposited m ray uame, and in the name of Mr; Barber.. Q.vTo»whom was the money to be paid, in the tjvent of the applid'atioh for the place succeeding ? ' '>'^ V* ' A' There was six hundred pounds deposited in' the name of Messrs. Lloyd and Barber, I believe that would 1,^0. .into the hands of Mr. Lloyd; Mr. Barber- waJs a friend of Mr. LudowicVs, and tlie money was only to be taken out on the event of the appointment taking place ; the other one hundred and fifty-seven pounds, I think that ( 411 ) that was tlic sum, ^volllcl have passed throujli my hanJr, and 1 hlioiilil have paid it over to tiie per^Oll with u horn 1 communicated. Q. W itli whom was it thaj; you comniuuicated ? yl. \\ ith an au:ent, who was accuj^tomed to make iu- c|urries oi" that kind ; may I be excused naming him ? • • • • His name was Tyndale. Q. Wiiere does INir. Tyndale live? yi. He lives in Symouds-buildings, Chelsea; or Sv- nionds-street. Q, Who is Mr. Lloyd? A. Mr. Lloyd I do not know ; I believe he is an attor- ne}'. Q, How came Mr. Lloyd to be entitled to so large a share of this suui ? A, 1 understood that tlie agent would have a handsome emolument from it, which was one hundred and fifty-sseven pounds. Q^ But the one hundred and :6fty-seven pounds was deposited in your name and Mr. Barber's ? A. It was. ,: t f Q. Then that hundred a.'id fifty-eeven pounds was to go to'the asdrent Mr. Tviidaler . , . yL Yes. Q. I now enquire as to the six hundred pounds ; vfho ■was to have the benefit of that ? A. Mr. Lloyd would have received that, I presume; I do not know of, my own knowledt^e. Q, You do not know what Mr. Lloyd was to do with U,! whether ^Ue was to keep it r A. jSo; 1 had no communication with Mr. Lloyd,^ or anyone, upon that subject,* ,^ r t Q, Wlio introduced Mp^ L..udowick to you? '. ; y/. Mrs. Clarke meutioilei" Mr. Ludowick to me,; 'I never saw him ; i mean introduced by name, uoc per- sonally* •• .-:^ ■ . . .-< -?r tr- ■ '- '.,^. Yes. ' ! ..; ftr Was she acquainted with Mr. Lloyd?' A» 1 do not think she was. ^-: -Q, Who introduced Mr. Lloyd into this Lnsineas ? /^. Mr. Tyndale. • iOi' -Who introduced Mr. Tyndale into if ? ' A, I introduced Mr. Tyndale into it, by making the Q. W^at share was Mrs. "Clarke to have in the' benefit ' to be derived from procuring this place ? - — •. -^^r ' - •-• c.-A^ Nothing,,. .,, ;. ...: ;. • ': - -•-'-•;;: ■)' Q. Nothing at all ? ..-..-.. ^... c. j K., :... ^. ^p, DOtling. . ... , , . " '■'' ''".%''' ''\ Q, What share v(rere you to have for the pfocuVin^ this place ? * * A. Nothing; I did not mean. to take any thing. '-'^^ ,. Q. You and Mrs. Clarke^ bhfv did it fop yaar'V)lea- sure? ...;>. ^.„^..r! .:\;;.,y . _./ , ;, - ' • : ♦ti^r'Mr. Ludowick was a fnentl of Mrs. ClairkeS, jmdl wished to oblige Mis. Cl^ke by introducing this thing, Ui.cqiaa-: . -v^^. . ■' '" jQ. lidvf came Mrs. Clarke to apply, to you to assist Iier .in procuring this place? .. ' '^'' '-'* ' A. 1 believe from my calling xipoh lief.' '^'/^ l)\ *' Q. How came you to call upon her ? '^'.. '! ' *■; A* I called upon her sometimes; she wrote fo mcfand I->»fihhedi;^, ke^p^ . Q, How came you to think tha'l at' this timc'lVfc-. • ,-; . T '-^C^rke ^ 413 ) Clarke could help } ou iu e.liectuating the object, of tlie ac( ount ? . J.. I (lid think so. -'^ ^,Q. Tliroui^lj w Iwuii ? \1. FiDin hr;- ; 1 thoui^ljt that slie still had un influence or some coiniiiuiiualion with the Dnkt*. Q. J )id'bhe so represent herself" to you? A. Yvs. . Q» At uhat time ^' A. She i^o representetl herself to me when we wero down at .the court martial, and since tliat time. Q. At the time, of the court martial, and since that tinje, she re[)resenied to you that she still had influence over the D-nke of York to procure tiiintrs to be done-? ^i. Yes, 1 understood thattlif connection was not' en- tirely at an.ead,.that she hati still a conuectiou ou ad in- terest wjih hinj. "■ - ' -^'^ Q. *^'^*as this the fiVstinstnncetif your assisting her.ia procurintj a place for her friend? «:Ji--^-vx .*.*, <>ryMr ,^A^ Ye§^ i'thinK Jt Avas ; I do'iiot'Tedonectv^any thing eJ^e.' - -■■''-■., ^ , . Q. ,ts.t,here any other instance in which -you havie-beeii so employed: ' .-.-.. ^^ , ^A. NothinL," effected at'least*.-- • ; '?--ji •;-:* '.kj-^ '>i-.: Q. This was not effected ;v\a3 thereaiiv thing 'else ia wliich an attempt was made? '-^ -** .;• ;'.'-^-'i- . y , . .^; Yea ; slf^ asked me whether a pAyrast»t«rship could be procured for a friend of hvr's.' ' ' '»» .»?v Q. Who was that friend?- .' '^■'''^'^. ' u^^ItAVasaTM^rWiHitiihs;;'*'-''*^ .• ^^^^^^'-' .».. " Q.'Whei-e does he live,? ' - -.:';.-. *'>^r.s ..A* J uuderstoodbe Irvedjn Devonshire.' " \-^' ^'- ' 'Q. PVd iou. endeavour' to; prcfclire that" pa^TnafeteiBhip for Mr: Wifirarfii'^r' ^•- ^^*^^- .;.^ii;.^.i.v^-''^^;>, Qvr .A.. I made hiqpirv, and understoocJllKit itTnrghlbft.^^ fected ;' biit n'otmh^ %vds '^<>ii -ri^i^v .;^.'-Yes. . -'••<^^'^->^".-"-W-.-»>H^^iii.x4 -K . Q. Through whom wdff'^Mf. TKTKl'^l^ii^jSttiifiirefAhis pavmastersVip; did'he'telliv^rf-? ' :>«•^'♦>^-• ^-^^^.j^-g ' ' - Mm 3 Q. Was ( 414 ) Q. Was there any money deposited upon! that o^a- sion ? . A» Nothin^^ Q. Was tljere anv other instance in whibli vod wtre applied to by Mrs, Clarke ? . A. Yes, in the-fcame way, but nothing done. ' - '- Q. On whose behalf wasrthat ? "''* ^^ ■ • -"^- 'i-^ ^, That was Mr. Thompson, who was connected with her. ■ ; ' ' • Q« When was that? A, I think it was in An^nst; ; «» .i,, Q, Was that before Mr. Williams's? *'' A.- Yes. -• -'-'\ ■' ■' K .V' Qi And before Mr;' Lodowick's? •" *' ' * ^^--''^^r ..: ^.Yes.-; ':,;;^;';-'"-- ■■ - -^ ■' '•""■*■ '■•- , Q. I thought'j'Oii stated, that tiiere had been no Vn- rStanceof your UppHinj*- for any body before Mr. Liido- ivldc ; 1 misunderstood you, I suppose? A» Yea; I did not m€an to say there was "nWinStllnw ^ an application before 1 mentioned that, a:* beini* the liring the most likely to be eflfecteri. • ' ' . Q. About what tinie was Mr,'W-iHitfm^'s? ' ^-'; -V' r (A' I think that Mr. Williams's was during^ 4Ke -same period that stie^m^fiVionecf it td^Tiir; '^T thifik^ a^uilthc timeoCMr, LxidowicVs. • ' ■' ■ e. 7'.^ •''' . > <^. Was'^rty caotLey depoVrtedhipori tKalNkr^asion*? - 2;-m. -- -' - ^— ^^•: i-^^^ : i-^ Q. What office was he to obtain? ■^^^— ^ rvj-s-^^ A. He was to have a payniastershlp^ as she represented lo pie. , ' -^ -1 , ;:"4^ What! ^d^.Tfeompson- want?- '' 3* ^--i ^ y ^' *jC To go intbihe militia.--- ' '-' ^-^ '^v.-irf r.j atv/ orfw . Q. Did you make any inquiries upon Aat? ■ ^^auoq - ^•. iC"Ycs,idi^' '^" '' • -^, ■ • ^ ■ • ^' f^ ^^. J -c'^^ .V. Q. Of whom cBayotiioqiiire ^eii tikt? ' J» :?^-5i^oKj "'"i#:'^esai]ti^i^on,-MT.-Tyud*lei' -^■^^ • »-^V .^ Q. Do yon recollect the name of any other ^^^tPifbr "•j^om yoo #«rt to mak^, inquiries^ '^' ^ '* ^o^l .^ '■• .4:'^lt^^rt1t'tK#t^triVdMKLjms ^rsUi m^A .K r - ;i?. WH«At office vnck h% \o obtain ? >• t ^ n^ i ' ^ i^.'He.'^i&ttl to'lStaftk a^lace^Th Ihe^trstbinLll^use, land Wffltb;' " " ' ' ' '^ ' • ''■■■■^. > r.iv.- ..-.u^::. ( 410 ) - Q* Rui yoii make atjy ui'|iuncs resjMcl.ii);^^ li:n> ? A. \vs, I (lid ; 1 made luciinritb oi' the hamc ])erson, but nothliiu; was cfVcctft!. -♦-<^. Wai thcr« any «ioaey dj posited U[)Oii that oca- si on ? A, None, •. -, ,,,Hn •, -:■ • Q. Did Mrs. Clarke recomniend all these persons to you? •-,.,-' - :. , ■ A. Yes. Q. Is there any other person wiioip you can recollect? A. No, \ do iiot immediately recollect any j>erson 'be- sides. " ^, - ■ , ^. -- Q. I tlunk you stated that there was no mone\'" de- posited, except in the case of Lwdowick; was there; any aii^reenjei.t for the dejjosit or payment of money in the other oisej*, in the ewent of the application succfcedinu:? -,.[^1.» lurthe event i^f tlie ii)iplicati*in succeedipi> i".^ti^ case of Mr. '1 hompsou, soaie reniuneratioh was inteiiaed jJiQ. -What? •■;>: r^^V^n;.^..:, : .-:- . ^ .r ' ;,.. .'. -t^ A. 1 thnik it was about; tw(^ huTJclrt^ll and fifty^puunQ?. Q. For the conan:iia!iiouin the ualiitUi?'.. , r— • ^'1:Q. Wh»»as to.ha.Yethattwp hundred and fifty poui'ids.^ A. I do not know, 1 am sure.. , .- . j,[, ' Q, Did D^^^u negogi^te wj,^ Mr.' T>;jidale .^ ." A. I asked Mr. Tyn^ale about it, and h,e,said he thought he could prociM-e.it. , ,^j ,. ^ ^^.^ ^ •' V »" yl* Yes. ""tf'.oJ Q. Was not it at all* mentioned in 7 that ^on^^rsation, who was to have the benetit^pf the twoiiundred and'^fty pounds.^ *: .V^ij ^c-iL- -muuv. ■ . .., ■.-^: ,^ ,;: ■ L,^ A , A. No, I ^id not ask any questions ot M^. Tyndale, 1 thought it ind^lfyi^j^.t^ ask iiii^&U^c^if]^[.,^,!^^^Q "X Q. You were teJ^jtye jiothii^ ^^^^^ MiP^^f]^^^*^ Q. Nor Mrs. ClaTice,?,^j^,^^>j,, ,, ^. ^^^^ D.',v,.ooiv ^. Nor Mrs. <^t^;]lVft ■ , ■ . .. '^.. Q^ W 4is' Ludovvick recommended for ^uy other, place besides that of -assistant coin in issary 2 . ; -^ ,,^ yi. When- that failed he wished to have a payiiiaster- ship in lieu of it, rather than ^ive up the moi^ev', I un- derstood that froiu IVlfs* CUike^ but it did not turn .out to be tlie rase. '^^- z^tn:-^^- i.ic .-4.vC' i i.. - ^rT. .y Q. Mow lonqf is it since you have given up all hopes,of succeeding for Mr.. Laidow-ick? ,..' •, A.' 1:»belLeve u month qr two^ . , ^ ■■ ' r, ' . Q. H(j\«ihappeii*vitt^^t thii-nioiie^-sti^lreiiia^s in IVJif, Birch's bauk..^ :^.-<':; ;.:-:. -r.v.v^j^Ujc -r / . - • A, Because they have not asked to have.it Dacloai^ain, I k now of uo jJtbnr.H-easpn ;,, they ^Ight huye^,.!t tW^ %vhenever they pleased; I told Mrs. Clarke some. Ume 8^, theyiiad better t^ke the m-ouey b3cic,,thatth^re(Was , not a Iikeiihood.of.it bt^ugetiectefi, ^ . . . , j, ,. rng Q. Did Tou ever acquaint Mj. i-^^o^^*^ ^i^-^^^ circumataneB^r uv : : :. ; .. -;.::. kv:.si^: ii:L:i i«« ; .ti. '•■ .^. I. never spoke M-bim,. j,,. i^.c;,: r.,[ - - ^ rr*b /o^^ - 41*^ Had you jatxy oogoiaii^aicatioQ vyitU ^^* Lloyd yftur^ u4..'Ko. Y.:x, ui.: ..c, . ^^ ' '. -li ' ^ V7 Tj-n .V> Q. Are you at all acquaiuted- with Messis.jCoLeifn^a and Keyler? ,■ * '■-•/"' \ '.. . i .':>.•.:• I ;;'-niiu .7..1;/.: Hjr:^ Stephens ( 417 ) i\fr. Strphetis. Q. Do vou recollect the Cliristiau naiiif of that Mr. Williams whom you spoke ol'r .1. No, 1 do not. Q. Did you ever see liim? -./. Not to my knowlt'di^e. Q. Do you liappen to know whtlhcr it is the same M;". M'iliiams who appeared in this House u lew ni^djts a;j;o? -A J never saw that trentlemau, but I have no reason to tliink so; because I understood he lived iw Devon- shire, and \Yas a respectable man. Q. Do you know whether ?flr. Tvndale was orii'iiiallv an ensign in the lytli toot, and afterwards a cornet in the 17th light dragoons ? A, I understood that he had been in the army ; but I do not know in what regiment. Q. Did you ever understand from any person that Sir Arthur Wellesley's being engaged at Chelsea was the rcL- son that this business of Ludowick's did not succeed? ^. No, I understood from Mr. Tyndaie, that the trial at Chelsea occupied the public attention so much, that it stood in the way of the appointtneBt* *.- : * .'>.,?xj:. Q. Then you never did hear from any of the parties Sir ArthurAVcllesley's name mentioned.'^ J, No. ..-■'. Q. Up to what period did Mrs. Clarke represent her- self to yoa ns being possessed of influence with the Da ke of York suffrcient to obtain places ? : j - .. . ' 'A,' I had reason, from conversations -with her, to think, that even to the eve of this inquiry, the Duke had liot deserted her. . .:■:.■ - " Q. Is thnt mere supposition, or has ^he stated to y<' r:v: Q. Then how do you account for -Mr*. Clarke's em- ploying you to solicit favours, which, you s;ty, you under- stood s?>e was able to obtain herself.' J. I cannot account for that, J\Ir. ( 418 ) j}[7\ L\ Bathurst. Q. Did you ever represent io ^Itf. Clarke, tliat you hivi any iiiiiiience with lije Duke ot Portland ? yi. No. Q. With whom did yon represent yourselt to luive any influence, so as to induce her to make ttiose applications repeatedly to you? A. I did not represent myself as having influence witli any person whatever. 2ilr. IVIutbrcad. Q. With whom did you under- stand Tyndale to have any influence? A. T did not know; I did not ask him any questions^ Q. Then the Committee are to understand, thnt you were a party -to the deposit of money in tiie hands of thipd persons, for trie purpose of procuring a place, with- out knowing through whose medium that place was to be ■procured ? A. I did not know through whose medium it was to be procured. Lord Folkstone. Q. Did you ever make application to Mrs. Clarke upon any other subject, except the hquida- tion of the debt supposed to be due to Mr. Manners? A. 1 >ciation rospectini^ Mr. Lu(iov\jck \o K)h\\-j;o ^i;->. Clarkr? ./. \ rs. In- was a friend of lier's Q. Arc \ou acquainted witli M;". Llus'd: .t. No. " ' Q. 1)1(1 yon ever write u letter to ]Mr. Lloyd : yl. So, i do not recollect that i ever wrote tg ^Ir. l^loyd ; 1 did not kno'.v nmi ; 1 ciu not lliink I eonld pos- sibly write a letter lo liiiii ; 1 am r-vetty certain 1 did noi . b(.'eaiK>e 1 had no eoinnuinictitlon wilii him wluitever. Q. Are you (juite certain you nevi r wrote to ,"Mr. j^ioyd' A. I am certain m my own mind; I i^hould i>f very much surprised to see a letter of" miiie to .Mr. Llovd. Q. ]lecollect whether vou ever did or not write lo Mr. Lh.yd ? A. 1 do not rer'oUect that i ever did ; lam conti»lent, as tar as mv memory serves me, thnt I tlid not. Q. Are yoa certain that yon never did? A. 1 am as ceriam or" that as I can f>e of most thin^Jrs. /^. Did you ever see Mr. Ludowick .^ A. iNo. .._ \ . ' ■-- : ~. ^A. Q. Who spo^:e to vou of Tflr. Ludowic'k ? A. Mrs. Clarke. ;* , Q. AVhat did Mrd. Clarke know of Mr. Ludowick .^ A. I do not know; she spoke to me as if he ^\-as a friend of her s, bat I do not know what the acquaintance was between them. (^>. "^'ou were to procure this situation for Mr. Ludo- wick ? A, I was not to procure it; but I mentioned it to Mr. Tyndale, who tl)oniJ:i)t he could etVect-it. ■Q. Vou were employed bv Mrs. Clarke to mention Mr/\ViUiams to Mr. Tyndale.^ A. Yes. :Q. And jMr. Thorn }>son .'' . - . A. Not to mention him to him, but I mentioned them to him of my own accord. Q. She applied to you to procure those situations ? - A. Yes. Q. Did you represent yourself as able, by your own influence* to procure those situations.^.. ... -■ v . A, Not the least; I never had such an idea. , Q. Did ( 420 ) Q. Did yon ever tell her you were to apply to a tijir'-l person to procure tho>e situations ? A. 1 do not know that i told ner that distinctly ; but I said I would inquire, to the best of my recollection, whe- ther such a thiuii' <"ould be obtained. Q. You are certain of that ? A- I au). certain I never represented myself as having any interest to procure any place, not personally. Q. Are you certain vou never told her that vou were to apply to another person to procure those appointments r A. To the best of niy recollection, I said 1 would make inquiry. Q. Did you ever name Tyndale to Mrs. Clarke? A. Never, I believe. Q. Who introduced Tyndale to you ? A. I met Mr. Tyndale frequently at a place where I used to go. Q. Where was that? • j1. It was a Mr. llobins in Bartlett's-buildings. Q. Who was Mr. Robins? A. He was a solicitor; 1 used to see him there when I railed occasionally. Q. Did you ever see ISIr. Barber ? A. 1 saw 31 r. Barber once. Q. Where? A. I called upon him. Q. Where? A. In Union-court. Q. About this busiuess of Mr. LudowicVs? A. Yes', about this business, to otfer to return liim the money. » Q. W hat was his answer ? A. I think he said he would see Mr. Ludowickr^e did not ask- for the return of the money. Q. Do you know what connection subsists between Mr. Barber and Mr. Lloyd ? A' No, 1 do not know that any connection subsists between them. Q. You never saw "Mr. Lloyd ? A. l^ot to my knowledge. Q, Do vou recollect now having ever written to IVI>. Lloyd ? A. No, I do not. Q. Are Clarke ( 421 ) 0. Ace those transactions witir respect to "Mr. Liilr, Tliornp^oii, \iv. ^\'illi;nn>, and Mr. L:iw>«>:i, ilie oiilv trauBaciions of till- :<>rl ill uiulIi aou rcoiloi i To luivt' bficn iMimagt'd? A. I do not rccollfct any others. Q. Heeolh.'Ct yourhcU ." A. Tlicre have been things mentioned, l)Ut nothii!j; iione. Q. Some others have been mentioned? ul. \'e>, I tliink tiierc have. Q. \\ hat are those .^ v A. 1 llnnk a phice of a Clerk in ihc War Office. Q. ^\ hen was that? . ^ A. I b(,lieve it was r.bout August, but 1 am not quite certain. '. Q. An*^ust last? A. Yes. . Q. Had Mrs. Clarke any thinj:^ to do with that? //. Yes, 1 believe she asked me about jt. Q. Did you undertake that, at the request of Mt-f>. yl. 1 made an niqiiiry. " -■»••*. Q. IJid you make an inquiry at the request of Mrs/ Clarke? ' ' y, •; A. 1 think I did. - - Q. AVas it or was it not at the request of Mrs. Clarke, that you made that inquiry ? "* A. I think it was. • , Q. Are von sure? , A^ I am pretty confident. . . • Q. Be quite sure? • - " . , A. I think so, that it was at her request. -:'.-•(. ..Q. AV lis it e,i]ected ? "".-"- ^ ; . -.i-^ yi. TSo, it was npl. ,.' ^^ ''.''■' .<^.,^}^y.\n\i were you to receive for that, supposing it had heen effected ? , ' ' .' " . .- ' '' '^. : ,.4. rLshould not have received any thing^ for-thut.'^^J'-v' O. ^Vas any body to have received any thitii^- for that? Q. AVho ? . - ;^ --^ :' -; ■" : ^;"'--^^ -^ - < ->' pA' I do not know who; it was TiRveT n^enpnciaVeo. •• Q., In behalf of whom was thi* place to be procured! ? A. I do not recollect the name. ^ , ' "^ iSo, Xll. Ts n ^ Q. What ( 422 ) Q. ^Vh^t sum was to be '^iven in case it ^vas obtain Pc^ ." y/. I think about tlu'ee or four liuudred pounds, - Q. To whom did yon apply about that ? A. Mr. Tyiidale: I did not know any body else that was likely to efteet this object. Q. Was it at Mrs. Clarke's request that vou undertook that? A. I think it was. Q. You do not recollect tlie name of the person : A. No. Q Do vou recollect anv other transaction? A. No, I do not recollect any other. Q. There is this clerkship in the War Office, this af- fair of Mr. Ludowick, tliis aH'air of ]Mr Williams, this af- fair of Mr. Thompson, this affair of Mr. Lawson; do vou recollect anv other ? A. No, I do not. Q, Are you quite sure "there was no other transaction of the same sort ? - A. I do not recollect any other. Q. You do not know that there was not? A. No, I do not recollect any other. Q. You are not sure that there was no other? A. My memory may escape me, but I do^iot recollect ■any other. Q. What was the place which you negociated for'Mr. llussell Manners, in the year 180b? A. I did n'ot negociate any place for him. Q. Did not you endeavour to obtain a place ft)r]VIr. Tlnssell Planners, through the medium of Mrs. Clarke, in 1800? A, No. Q. A\1jat was your transaction witli Mrs. Clarke in 180C? A. I l^iid no traiibaction tvith Mrs. Clarke in 1806. Q. What was your acquaintance with her in 1806? A. It was through the medium of Mr. Manners, who married my wife's sister; 1 had «o acquaintance with her previous to that period. 4 Q. Froni ISOfc to April 1808, your acquaintance with Mrs. Clarke dropped, did it not? A. Yes'; I do not think I saw Mrs. Clarke from An- giibt or September 1806 till the court martial in April 1806; I do not recollect that I did. Q. That ( '123 ) U- 'J^ljat court martial was lieUl at Colchester? ul. It was lielci at \\ eeley, near Cc)lcliei)ter. Q. Mow soon after that court martial did you aorain see Mrs. Clarke ? A. 1 do not recollect; i did not know where Mrs. Clarke lived, Q. Where did slie live when voii-next saw her? A. If 1 recollect rigiit, she lived in ilolles-strect ; Iodis- ed there for a short period. Q. You do not know in what month that was ? A. No; i cannot speak pf>sitively, but 1 think it was bei'ore she went to Bedford-rplace. Q. Did you tjo to her of your own accord, or did she send to you ? A. She wrote me a note, to call upon her; I did not know where she lived. Q, She stated, 1 suppose in her letter, where you were to call upon, iier ? A. Yes. Q. What was the object of her desirin°f to see you ? A. I do not recollect what she sjiid; 1 think it was something relatire to what passed at the coart martial, but I do not recollect, "- , - Q. Was it not to obtain bome place for iVJra. Clarke, that she sent for your A, No, ^ ' < Q. You are positive of that ? A. Yes, 1 am ])retty positive of it ; 1 have not the least recollection of it. Q, Wiien was it that the first of these transactions you have mentioned took place .^ yl^ i think in Auu:ust. , Q. That was a clerkship in the War OfBce, wasit not? A^. No, I think it was about Mr. Thompson. Q. Was Mr. Thompson's the tirst transaction of the sort that took place after the court martial ? A' I think it was; there was no great distance of time between all these things. Q. Whs there no other transaction of this sort took^ place between the court martial and the affair of Mr. Thompson, besides those which you have enumerated? A' I do not recollect any. N*4 Q, Hava ( 424 ) Q. Have you ever prosecuted any business of tliis sort vltn success? yi. Never. Q. Never in your life ? A. No. Q. And you engaged in these businesses out oi pure 's accounts liquidated. Q. ilow eouid yon suppose, that by obliging Mrs. Clarke you couid ^et ?vlr. Manners'L-; accounts liquidated, \vh •• > Q, Are you quite positive she told you that.^ "■ - A. I am quite saTi->(i-u that fhe told nae that, or s^ave me to uuderjjtand it ; 1 had no reason to dispute it, from the tenor of i)er conversation to me more than once, as I iiientioned before.* that the Duke of York kep>t her upon a smaller establishment, and I really believed she was iinider the protection of the Duke of York, or that he wns aljout to re-establish her. -.;.*: Q, Did it never occur to you to remark to her, that if she had that influence wit!) the Duke of York,- she was much more likely to {>revail in such transactions than yourseltf'. y{. No, I never made tliat remark. Q. Wiieie was it that she gave yoa to understand this -at Colchester ? A. Ithiuk ft was at Colchester, or going down to Col- cheiter; it w'as.4ibout that time. - • • Q. You do not now recollect anv other transHctions be- sides those you liave mentioned ? ■ ; A, No, I do not call any to my memory. Q. You do' not recollect ever having- written to Mr. .Movd? ■ " •• • ■: ' ■ - -^^ 'A. NfTjTdo not. ' .,Q^ How many interviews do you suppose y mi had at dlf.ereht times willi Mr. 'i'yndale? 'A. Upon my word 1 camiot tell, I have no idea ; I have " been used to see him iVequentlv. Q. A ( -425 ) i^. A (j^rent many : .1. \ vi,, i have iVe({iiPr.Tly >eeii h\n\. Q. Then do yon mean lo state, iii [joint of" fact, upori. no oae ot"tl)0!-e interviews you liave ever, from your own furiosity, or auy (»tiier molive, a&ked Mr/i'ynuale tiirou^ii whose interest tiio^e a|)pcrtntmeiits were to he procured ? A. ■{J\)t>u one occas'on, in the case, of. L,udowick T liiink it wi.--. i Uhked iMr. Tyndale, pressiuf^ tery mucii to have it enectea, what ehannel do you bn[)(>(ibe tlii.-> comes tlirou-b? i)e suddosi d it miirht come throuiih the WellesJey ii»tercL^t, 1 thiuk he said; he did not meniion any particvlar person. Q. That answer ^vas L^'.vcn by Mr. Tyndale iii respect to JMr. Ludowick's appeiutmeiit, ?, A. Yes. O. Did von never hear Mr. Tvndale mention anv other name in respecLto the ciianuel tlu'ough which any otiier was lo come ? : A. 'No^ i did- uoL ask him any question as to the chan- »el, except uponihat occiision, when I pressed bO much to- have it ehccted. .,:..-.., . -, Q, Mr. Ludowick's was the tliird application you made Id Mr., Tyndale ; do you mean to state that in the applica- tions for Thompson and WilHams, which were previous, you never heard through whose influence those were to be obtained ? .,— , ..'.A. No, 1 did not ask liim any questions. Q.- Not till the third application ? A. 1 do not say it was the third application, but not till that application. Q. What led you to Mr. Tyndak? A. Being acquainted with him, and knowini^ that he was a kind of agent, and had information of that nature. -Q. Had you any reason to know th^t ]Mr. Ij'ytidale ha^ the power of obtaining any offices? .... A. No, not personally. r. * Q. Tiien do you mean to state that you applied t^ Mr. Tyndale in a erreat mair^'. instances, without knpw- 'in% that there was any probability of his obtaining thr offices lie was employed to obtain? A. Yes, except from his «wn statement or representa- tion, that lie thought he could net them. , , ; N u 3 ■; Q, B^ ( 426 ) Q, By what raeans did he state tbiit he thought he could effect them r A. He did not state the means; I did not 'nquire into the channel ; I do not know wiiat communications lie hud, ner with whom he was connected. Q. Do you mean to state, that after you had applied to him repeatedly, and he had failed in obtainint; those situa- tions for which he whs applied to, that you continued still to apply to him without heariiii; from him the means by which he was to obtain future situations? jd. Yes; I did not know that he had any interest in himself to effect those objects. Q. Had you been in the habit of nesrociatinj^, or have ever negociated for any situations of this kind, previous to vour knowleuijje ofMrs. Clarke? A. JSo, Q, State whether Mrs. Clarke prave you any hopes that Mr. Russell Manwers's object would be effected? A. J was about to state the purport of a letter, but it IS not eorrectlv evideiR'e, wbicli I do not kirow whether I have s^en or not; but J remember the contents of it per- fectly well, particuUrly one expres::*ion of the belter, pur- ■ported'to be written by the Duke, and it, said tliat he would g-ive Mr. Manners a place suitable to his name and Ramify, i reniember that expvession, I think those were the very words; or, that would noi disgrace his name And family ; something to that purport. This communica- tion was not made to me, it was made to Mr. Manners by Mrs. Clftrke, this lettt^r that I s|>eak of, and Mr. Manners communicated it to me. .- Q. Did Mr. Manners state to you that he had seen such ft letter, or did he bring such a letter to you ? A, I am ^n re that he stated such a letter to nve, but I do not think 1 »aw the letter. Q. Do you recollect at what time this pasaecj ? A. I think about the month of August 18C6,as nearly OS lean recollect, perhaps it might be J^ily. '"Q. Did Mr. Manners state 'to you from whom he Imd tht letter?- yl. '\ o the best of my recollection it was a letter written -by thre Duke to Mrs. Clarke, ^vhK•h she shewed to him. I do not know whutiier she inclosed ilie letter to Mr. "'. '-^ >' , Manners ■( '427 ) IVIannt^rs, wlu.'ther ]ie bavl the aotunl possessign of ir, or oiilv saw It 111 luT possession. Q. Did voii sit' Mrs. C'larke aiterwarJs, and liave any coiuersatioii with her upon this letter? A. I do not recollect tluit 1 hail; 1 saw her afterwards, bnt I do not recollect that I said any thitii^ to her upon the subject. Q, When yon saw ])er afterwards, had you any convkrr- Bation with her upon Mr. Manner's business? .V. 1 do not recollect that I had; for I generally saw .iier in the company of Mr. Manners. Q. Whtn vou sa^ her iii coaiuanv with Mr. Manners afterwards, did any conversation pass on ^Ir. Manners's business? j4. ISo, I do not recollect tliat there was. Q. Not up to tb;- hour? A. JSo; Mr. Manners lias been abroad for a year and a half. Q. Have you conducted his affairs since be has been abroad? ,A. No; he has no affairs to conduct, in fact. - Q, Did Mrs. Clarke, in your hearing or to you, say .tlw.t she liad mentioned Mr. llussell Manuers's business to > the Duke of York ? yi. I do not recollect that she ever said that in my pre- .scnce» Q, Did you ever hear her say amy thing upon that sub- ject? A> I do not recollect that I ever did; for I saw Mr. Manners so frequently that he coaimunicuted every tiling to me. I do not thmk I ever spoke to her upon that 6ub- ject. .Q, Did any conyersation pass hetweeu her and Mr. jManners upon the subject in your presence? .: A. I do not recollect any conversation. . \ Q, Did you transact ali this businesva for her gratui- tously, or did you hope that this object would be etVected, ■and that you should be retnuqerated in that way? ' A. 1 had no gratuity for it, but 1 hoped that I shonliil get the account settled. Q. liave you expected that io the co.ui;sc of tlje V^st vear ? . ,,,.; v^ ..,>:;:»!» - A, I V 428 ) A. I have cxpectcvl it ; I remember speakincr to Mrs. Clarke about it fVeqatntly, and not long ago. 1 think about a month. Q. You spoke to Iier upon the subject about a month ag'o ? A. y^s. Q. Did she at thr.t time give you hopes that it would be efit^cted ? A. She said, you may speak to nie upon that about two months hence. Q. Did she say at all that she had mentioned the sub- jeer to his Hoyal IIi;^hness? A. iSo, she never did. Q. Not at any othev time ? A- TSo; she seemed as if she wished to postpone that application; that I muii speak to her about two month* hence. That was about a month or six weeks ago. Q. Was it op to that late period ofa month or six weeks ago vou still supposed hertohaveinlUience with tlie Duke of York? ^ • A. Y'es, I still thought so to the eve of this Inquiry, from her representations to me and her conversation. Q. Did you think so from her representations and con- duct? A. Yes, from her representations. Hon. Mr. Lyttitiov. — Q. You have stated, that in one of those transactions tf e money was left at the house of iVlessrs. Birch and Co. have you any credit with that l-jouse ? A. No, I have no account with tliat house. Q. They do not discount bills for vou ? ^. No- Q. Do you happen to know whether Mrs. Clarke has any account w ith the iiouse of Messrs. Birch, where this money was left? A, I do not know tl'atshe has. Q. "Who proposed i.iat the money should be deposited there? A. I think it was Mr. Tyndale; 1 am pretty confident- it was. Q. Has it ever happened to you, in transactions of tliis nature, to have money depo^^ted at a house wliere you have a credit ? A. I, ( -129 ) A. T tR!Vfr liiul any of \]i\> mor.'^" (le»'>o«;itPfl nnon my own accoiuii; I do uol kiio^v wl.ctliM" it i- (.iistouiijrx . Q. I do not Ubk as to iriOiit\- dt'uorited on your own ;\r- -t for their money, and i do not tinnk that the Bankers, upon those occasions, al- low an}' interest f^enerally ; 1 never heard that they did. ,. ,Q. Are vou perfectly certain that you never did, in any. Tormer transactions, derive an advantat;e from the lodg- ineV.t of money at Messrs. Birch and Company's? ^ " - • . ,d(pYes; I am j)erfeclly confident of it. Q. Vou have said, that you were not "certain whether .son^ie, conversation passed with !J\i is. Clarke at the court marfiiil, or i^oiuL^ down to Colchester; did yoiv ^ down to Colchester with Mrs, Clarke? '" ' ., A, Idid. She called uiiou me; she saici she was C!oin:x to ( 430 ) to Colchester, and I was sumruonfd very suddenly ro tii«'.- court martial ; I had but a:i hour's notice ; she said she ■v^as g-oin^- down in a post-chaise ; I said, then ^ve may as Avell g^o toj^ether, and we accordingly did go dov/n in u chaise together. Q. Did you not give evidence upon that court martial that you had not seen Mrs. Clarke either tor souje weeks or months pveceding^ that trial ? A. I think to the best of my recollection, tliat I said 1 had not seen her from August 1806 till she called upon nie. Q, Up to the period of your evidence? A, Up to the time when she called upon me. Q. Will you be perfectly clear in your recollection, whether you did not say that upon oath ? A. I do not recollect that I did; I should wish to hear that ,part read if it is in Covirt; I have no idea that I dif- fered upon that occasion from what I state now. I am sure, upon both, occasion^, I state to the best of my re- collection ; I may be mistadven in these trinal circum- stances which did not interest me; that I did not see her from August 1806 till she called upon me to go down to- the roiirt martial; 1 think I stated that. Q, Will you state positively that you did not upon that trial, on oath, statti that you iiad not seen Mrs. Clarke for either weeks or months up to the periodxit which yo» gtive vouj evidence? • r^ A. I do not recollect that; if I djd it must be a mibtake; I fancy I corrected it, if 1 stated that: but 1 must be mis- understood u|>on that occasion. Q. In any of theconversutioiis you had \t'ithMrs. Clarke or iVIr, Tyndale on the subject of these transactions, was the Duke of York's name ever mentioned? A, Never. ' - Q. Vou are Aire it was not upon, any occasion ? A. I um certain it was not; nor the name of any other person except in the way I have mentioned. Mr. Tlvskisson, Q. You have stated, that about two months a^jo you informed Mrs. Clarke that there was no hope of g(;tting a situation for Mr. Ludowick ; what cir- ciiujstance Induced you to forn) that opinion, ar.d to com- municate to Mrs. 'Clarke that there wa:i no hope of sue- tess for Mr, Ludowick ? ; Ai From ( 431 ) yL From Mv, Tyndalc; lie told mc that lit tiiouj^ht that he coiiid not etl.'ct it. Q. IMr. ""iV lid ale told yon that hethou^iit he could not •efl'ect it ? ^. Yes. Q. Did he give you any reason ior his failure? A. 1 think i)e said, to the beat of my recollection, thnt a new unaniiement had taken place in that depariint iil , or somethinL; lo thnt |)ur[>ort. Q. \\ hen did Ptir. Tyudale tell von tJiat the a]tponit- ment was only delayed on account rd ( 432 ) Lord Foikstonc. Q. Were vou ever enfraGrecl in unv Transacliou about writersbips or cadetships tor India? ^. No, I tliiuk ;'exceptin5j once a person asked me a))ovit a cadetship. ^ Q. Wiio was the person who asked you about a cadet- ship? yi. iVIr. Donovan. • .-. Q. "^'ou are acquainted wllii ^Ir. Donovan, are you ? A' I have an acquuhitance with hint. Q. \\ hat did he ask you about a cadetship ? A. Ke asked whether it could be procufjed. Q. When was this ? A. I think it was about six weeks ago. Q, What did you answer ? j(l, 1 said, that 1 would inquire about it. Q. Did you inquire? _-.- > A. Ve«^. ,, Q. AVhat was the reBult? A* That it might be procured was the result. Q. Of whom did you enquire? A. I inquired of this same gentleman. Q. And he told vou it might be procured ? A. Yes. ■- ■ ■ ; Q. Vv^as it procured ? ':: A' ^-'o, - • ^_:Q. How came it not to be procured, do you know ? - A. I xio not know how it came not to be procured. Q. 1\\ ndale told you he could not procure it? A» No, he said he could. " Q^ From whom did you learn, that it could not be pro- cured ? -^ . A, 1 do not know that it cannot be procured. Nothing is done in it that I know of. , Q. What suspended the negociation ? A. 1 do not know exactly, but I fancy the party was not \n town, or something cf that kind, Q. What party? A' An acquaintance of Mr. Donovan's. .5 j, • Q. The party who wanted to procure it? A. Yes.. . ^...^. . -, _ .-...;.. Q. Is the business in suspense now ? Is it in a train of proceeding now? A* 1 do not know. ^ Q. How ' Q. lio\? long IS it since you huve lost sight of this trans- action ? A. I believe perhaps a w€ek. Q, Then a week- ajo tou rknew somcthiig of this trans- action, did yow ^ — A. Yes. Q. What did you know of it then ? Was it in a train of proceeding then :- — A. Yes. • Q. Had the party come to town then ? A. Xo, I believe nut. 0.> It was in the regular process, was it ? \A. Yes, I uiiderstoori.it misht beeftectecJ. . . Q. From whom did you understand that ? .A. From Mr. Tyncifale. ^. Do you expect, now, it will be effected ? . A. Upon my word, I do not know. Q. What was to be paid, if this transaction was brought Iq a successful conclusion ? . A. 1 do not know thatsuiy particular sum was mentioned upon that, unless it was one hundred and fifty pounds. cQ:Oi\c hundred and' fifty pounds, to be paid to whom ? A. 'Ihat I do not know. r:Mr.'Tyndale, I suppose, would receive it, eifectingthe thing.- v:;-^" Q. M r. Tyndale would have one hundred and fifty pounds? ;^.Yes. I-.-r;...' ■• /• -T- Q. What should you have ?•, -•-1^. r should not-have any thing. Mr. Donovan, I sup- pose, would have paid the. money, to me, and I should have paid It over to Mr. Tyndale. (v?. Are you a Lawyer r—^^-/V.Y-€S. Q. Were you aware that:thi9;was an illegal transaction I A. No. Q. Are you aware :of.thatiQ«)w7-r-4. No. Q. Was this the only occasion on which Mr. Donovan employed ynu tonegocrate a.Writership, or a Cadetship to India ? — A. Yes*^ .k>^-~- i ^ Q, Are you positive of that ? . ^ lj,.'.-m.' i . ^i. Yes, I do not recollect any other. • Q. Are you positive there was no other ?— -^. Yes# Q. Quite positive. — A. Yes. Q. How long have ycu been acquainted with Mr. Do- :.iS4>. Xlll. Oo ( 434 ) no-van r — A,- I do not .exactly recollect, pei haps 5?. year. Q, Try to recollect as neariy Ai yon can ? ;v^. l.iiimk it-is abmita y^ar, notrquitc, . ,,.4 Q. Do you martageMr. Donovan's affairs? — *^. No^ .,7 '7^^. Areyo^J an agentof Mr. Donovan 5 in other matters besides this ? — A» No. - --: . .... 4^, How long have you been an agent of his in these transactions ? . . . u4. 1 am not an agent of his. (2. How long has Mr. Donovan consulted you, oc courted your assistatrce in transactions of tkissortf jl, 1 do not know exacijy ; I have called upon Mr, Donovan occasionally upon other matters. Q. How often has Mr. Donovan talked to you upon matters of this kind F—^. I cannot tell. - . :- • Q. In how many instances has Mr. Donovan employed you in transactions of ibis sort 3 . .r . » ^, Only on th*t one. Q, Are you quite positive he has employed you upon no other 1- — i^.'IidofDat recollect any otfaier* Q. Upon what other transactions did you go to. see Mr. Donovan? . ,.>-;:.•■.. j r-?; 1 • ■'. ' c A. Mr. Donovan is intimate with Lord Moira^and I have called upon him to know whether Lord Moira's sister vtas arrived in England, because J expected a relation of mine would come over about the same time, or th&t I should have intelligence about her. ..- , . Q. Come from where ?-<-^. From Vienna. . Q. Do you know arpersorjof the nameof GibsQD ? A^ No; what Gibson. ^r Do you kno\Tof-arMr. Gibson of Coventry-street? '^ii.'iNo.. i . ij • .. v..^. Do you know a Mr. Gibson xrho was lately nego- ciating for the place of Tidewaiter ? — A, No* .r-.^.'?T.a :, .: Q* You never heard of him ? — A» .t^Ctm ■■■-, - • . ; Q, Mtw Donovan Jiever named hirm to you ? — A.-'So^ C..Did Mr. Donovan introduce you to Mrs, Clarice At any time ? — A, No. • 1 .. Q, Did you never see Mrs. Claike from the year 1S06 till f ^oJ ) ' .t'M ibe (ime ^he Cftiled upon you to go with her to Colchfi* terin April USUS ? A. 1 on the ^iirnr-of the Ctnirt Martial ? ^L 1 believe that rolated to ir. Q. Try to be certain what it was she wrote lo '^•o•; about. Q> I really cannot recollect the contents of the Ittfcr. feut 1 think it respected some Bills of F^xchnnpe which came before the Court MarliHl, and there wa? some di(Ii- culty -about them.; she was afraid he would be arr<,'sieJ, I thil)k ; but 1 do not recollect the purport of the letter, ' ui. Und you «o correspondence with her about matters of this sort ? ' ' . Q. No, I do not retjllect any rommunicatioa of. the ^ort. '* jd. Was it in consequence ^f that conwnuni cation that siie called upon you in the chaise as she went down ? Q. I recollect -tiiat she ^rrote to me a few days bei<)rc4haa lathetixjught fike sliould have occasion-to riesirt! me tiyatleiid -af Colchester upon that buMHessw , ••.• • '/f. How-many letters had you from Mrs. Ciar-ke duriD^j th'e period hetweei\ 1506 'and 1808 ? ' > A. I am sure I do not know. Q. All about this business of the Court- Mar tiaK — .-4.. No. Q. What wei^e -the oiber. letters iibout i .... A, J do not recoiiecl; nothinij oi any .CDDsequence, I believe. I do not think I heard frr se\*eTal months ; those letters that 1 aliude to, i-think, camelrojiv. Ht^mpstead, but the co-ntents are so immateriai to we, that 1 du not call them 10 recollection, . •. ' (2. 'I'hoy were not letters of business ? A. No, I think not; I do not recollect the contfnls of Q. When did you lasi see Mr. Donovan?.. Ooe A. I think ( 436 } ^. T think T saw iiiin lastTriday or Saturdny ; I rather tbii.k Friday. Q. Had you nnv conversation with him at (hat limc- !ib')ut the Oadelship ? — A.' No' I do not think I hud. Q. Are you positive that you had not ? - ''A, I do not recollect that I had. ' i .- Q. Had youj'oi* had you not, any converbation at' that time With Mr. Oonova^i upon that suoject? A. I do not recollect that 1 had. C. You «re not positive ? j4. I thiuk 1 ara positive. Q. You have stated, that it is customary in (raniRCtions of hurh'a nature as those you have been spea1-;ing of^ to de- posit the money with thu Banker of one of iho parties: what do you mean by cuslomar) ? • A. 1 did 'nut speak ot my own knowledge but I believe it is usual; 1 believe it is natural to deposit it Aviih lh*e Danker of one of the parties. • - Q. Then you do not know that tt is the custom ? A. No; but 1 rather take it for gninted that it is cus- tomary to deposit the money ^vilh the Banker of one of the parties. ■ . . Q: Refresh your inemory, and inform' the Committee whether y^u can now recollect any negociation of this sort besides the one of Mr. Ludowik's, the ane of Mr. Willi- 'ems'j the one of Mr. Thompson's, the one of Mr. Lawson's, t*he one respecting the Clerkship in the War-ttffice, and the jiie respecting the Cade-tship? • - A. No; I do not recollect any. Q. What reason did Mrs. Ciurke give ymu for wishing you to spenk to her i« rwo monih;* respecniig Mr. Kubseli Manners's affairs ? ' * '• • ./^. She did not give nnv reason for it. * Sir James GTahum. — Q. You have said that you area Solicitor by pi ofession , you are paid for -yuur trouble iii transactions of business, are you not ? A, Yes, in pr^jfeshional busitie&s. -^ " "■ Q, How could you aflnrd to tiansact so many intricafe businesses quite gratuitously ? A. V ( 437 3 I have (Ic-nc a groat deal of business graiuitousiv in my profession. S:r Jumti, Hall, Q. You have saiJ, that in ncfjociating this business wiih Mr. 'I'yndale you had but little hopes (Jt yticcess given to you ; did you represent the matters to the Oenllemen who applied to you m tiie same l*ght, or did you mugniiy their chance of success ? A. 1 had no conimunicaiion with those Gentlemenj but only with Mrs. Clarke ; 1 conimunicated to her. - Mr. ll'arJ, Q. Can you recoiled ary single circumstance,- or anv siiigie expression of Mrs. Ciaike's, that could serve as a tuuuduiion for y4>uf siijspicipu that she iiad any influ- ence with the Duke of Yoik as to granting plac-es since 1S0() ? ':;.:• A. T cn'y collectcc/ from her conversation that she still bad an interesl with the Duke of York, bui she SiiuJ nothing •about a power to grant placed* or auy thing of that sort. Q. Do you know tf. her olTeruig to pr4,No. |_ A general cry o^ withdraw ! .withdraw J^, Q. At what period did Mrs. Clarke represent lo you that the Duke of York was about to rjeii>slate.heiupoi)a reduced establishmeni ? , , ,._. .. ,--.\ - * A, 1 think that was about the time of goipg.dowr> to.lhe Court-Martial. .t;;.M;T>.:l x) i •' Mrs. MARY ANN CLARKE "\i'arcaneT^ in,. ^nd^ Examined oy the Committfey as follows : .*a..» ' Lord Fullcstone. Q. Have you any papErsof.'. JVIf,- Maltby's in your hand ? Oo 3 J. Yes. ( 43S ) A, Yes. I Lave. [The Witness deiivered in some papers.]] Both witnesses were ordered to withdraw. Lord Folkestone stated that his only object in put- ting the last <:]uesrion to Mrs. Clarke was to ascertain Irom the former witness the fact, whether the letters 'produced by her were his l^and writing or not. The Chakceli.or ot the ExcHKOUFRhad no object- ing to the plan otproceedinrr,bur he conceived that the first thing to be proved was, from whom the histwit- -Dcss had rectivcd the papers which she was about to -produce. . >"■■''• k > i ■ . ■ Lord FoLKSToNE acquiesced, aod Mrs. Clarke was •^accordingly ordered to- the bar.' - ' ^.-^iirr. .' i'. ,' ^.'■'i-.'s -, i :.•-•. .-1 •^.'Stftte from' WHoin yon recelveil those papers? ■^" ' u^-. 1 received tlihse trom Mr. ' Mahb\ , and those two from Mr. Barber ; there is ^\v. Barbci's name to one of thfTrr. -' ' • -'.•■' . .^-, <»>. D> those you recekcd from ]Mr. Maltby" purport ta '^c^IVlr.- Mnhby's; hjnd-writinc;'? . "^ A. Yes, hrs nnine is to t.lvo Vir'three of them. -^ Hi.. -^Do they ail purport lo b^ Ms hand-writijigl, \''\ ^/Yes, tiiey^-are all his "hnnd-writi-ng. i^iXfi^ you ever see Mr. Mallby write ? ... A. Yes," mauytirnes. • - • • --•,.- il. Do you know that they are bis band-wriling ? -' A. Ye*: -.'"; -^ i-' ''^"- . " ''\\ b'^^.' YoU arrposhive bfthat fact ?-— ^1/.' Yes. C^. Have you^ver seen Mr. BarbL'r write ? •'••l^.-Yesl tffis is-only a sort of coj^y of how the monej was lo be b)dged. (^. Is that in Mr. Barber's hai^d.-writiDg ? ... i-.-irf.rYes,- they- are by the sjlmehand, and his name is to one. - -^Jf '•.>'■-> t. ^ ■--'-'- • Q. Have you any other letters which vou wish to deli- Terin. ?— X Ves, 1 have. ^ .-X>'..v,. : >:..^ Q. From whom are ibcy ? '' "• ' t i ... J, Three ( 439 ■) A. T lireeof them are from Colonel M'Malioii (o mc ; 1 Jiave Jdbt liu' f-t!jers, 1 t'ancy. Q. Have \u\i anvotlier letters wliicli ymi uiah to deliver in. [ I he Witness was liirtt^vvl to wilhcurtw.] Mr. Crokf^ declared that the Comrtvit^ee hnd no- tliing to <».) with the letters of Colontd M'Mahon. There was noihin*; before them to shew that such do- cumenis referred to'the immediate object of the inves- tigation, and thereto e he considered it an intru- sion upon tlie very serious conccns of the countr\-, to have the time of a Committee ©f the Mouse of Com- mons taken up upon irrelevant subjects. Colonel M*Mahon. When the witness on the last nio;ht was at the bar, she promised toproduce letters of mine, which she said would exhibit me in my proper colours. At that time as at present the bearings of ray own nund were, that to whatever topic these let- ters referred, however unconnected with the object which tlie Comm ttee were investigating, or however unexplained the circumstances under which they were wiitten, .still it M-as my decided wish that they should be produced (/;^flr/ hear:!). That opinion I now main- tain, and therefore wkh every deference for the senti- ments of the Honourable Gentlen-^an*, must express my anjciety th:Li the Committee should receive them ; although unableto recollect at this moment their par- ticular import, I am still satisfied that they cannot in any sense appertain to the object of the present in- quiry. Mr. Croker rose up to make some additional ob- servations, but from the continual cries oi{go6ri,go on], he resumeti hisseat. . [The M'itncss was again called in.'] Lord Folkatove.^-Q. Have you any letters which y^ wish to produce ? % ' ' ^ • ■ * Mr, Croker,. A, To ( 440 ) A. To shew I did not tell a-story about Dr. O'^ea-^ ra, I have a letter of recoinraendation from the Arch% bishop of Tuam, not to me, but to the Doctor himself. Q. Any thinji more ? j1. General Clavering, 1 fanc}', informed tlie Honoura- ble Gentlemen here, that he never had any thins to say to me upon military ati'airs ; General Ciaverini; being a.dis^ tressed man, he was then a Colonel, 1 spoke to the Duke respecting bun ; and had a great deal olditiiculty, more so than as to aaiy other man that 1 ever applied lor in getting ajiy sort of en)ployment for him. Q. Have you any papers relating ro that matter? jt. At last I prevailed upon the Duke to give him a disf tiict, and with it he made him a Brigadier General, entire- ly through my means. He afterwardb ask<^d me to get hinj a liegiment ; and, fearing they might be all given away be- fore Uis Royal Highness came to town, I wrote to him when he was reviewing along the coast ; here is the letter which His Royal Highness wrote to me, in which he men- ti(ms General Ciaveting's name. There is another from the Duke, in which he acknowledges about Dr. O'Meara, that he would serve him- as soon as he could ; it does not speak of the Archbishopric, it merely acknowledges that he kiiows-such a ,m(in. And the other is from Goionel Shaw, when in the Downs, just beforehe sailed for the Capeof Good Hope, complainingof being put upon half pay.. {"The Witness was directed to withdraw. [The Witness was again called in.] . Mr. Wardle, Q, Do you know that to be the writing of His Royal Highness the Duke of York ? A. Yes, I do ; but if not, Mr. Adam ran speak to it. , Q,' .U that [another letrer] the hand-writing of, His Iliyal Highness ?. — ^. Y^s.. Q. Have you seen the Duke oTYork. write?. »•-- • --fi A. Yes, I have. This, addressed to George Fartjuhar, Esq. is his usual hand* writing ; whenever lie adfiresses Mrs. Clarke the outside is always in a fictitious band. This is addressed IVIrs. Clarke, to be left at the Po^t Oifice alWor^ thing ; the inside of both letters in his usual hand. Q, How n Zmravrd i^bp'ocd, .rrcm a shetrit iy- RoirlaTtdsvn. ^ 2'uihshrd hy J. StnatfiirW . at . Snfiam MiU . jUhtxJt Jt>*1j8»f . ( 441 ) Q. How cliii you come by the letter of -the- Arch bishop of'l aam ? ■ ' • * A. It WHS left amongst Dr. O'Meara's papers, amoni his doruments, -by accident, and 1 did not desiTo\' ir, be* cause I iboiight it might be of some future service to him ; when 1 gave him his papersj-lhis was left by accident. L(Jnl Fi/lkst(/fie — Q. Do you recollect throirgh what mr- <>ium you received Colonel Shaw's letter, uhether, by post, or a -private hand ? .' ^. . - A. 1 fancy it went to Coutts's'the Banker^s ; I think he directed nie to write to him always there under cover, and the Clerks would tijke care of thtfm ; but I am not quito Cf-rtain, I thiiik It was brought tome by a private hand. (2. Do you ktrow Colonel Shaw's haml so wellj as to b« able lo speak to that being bis hand -writing ? ' . ' . '>f. Yesj 1 do.-' '•• - ''-;..■ » 1^. You say that il is Colonel Shaw's writing ? ' • \A. Yes,-itis. • %vL .^:>-^-^T tin: .' ...r, Q' JDj'd you ever see Dr. O'Mearai - '. A.. Yes, verv oflea iodeeel.--- jsg i— .-". . « ■»' . - - Q, VV4loisbr•O^MeaU,^i>.-^ '-;'''••-- ':, '.'^ • -ii., HI.is an" Irish Gentlema^i^^ii 'CrergyrnffTij'^f do not Tlvjiow, betjier- how to. describe liim"j«he is \^y well- known ;ift Jrelaj)di>?>rv.i'V . .•*^>..' •.;t-.': t ••? ,', a— - .t^.i • at Q. W'here was this letter, pirrpoxting to be ft letter from .'the Archbishop of Tuam to, hinif Found ? A. Amo^g»my own papers ; -Dr. O'Meara has written me feveral letters for it, but I could not find it till about haJXa y ea r a go r~''^ — ^ ---'=-^— ^-. -^ - ^ — tf. Did Dr. O'Meara send you tfeatleti«er ? ' A. Yes, he did, he shxc it to me wilh other Uodumcnts. '-' ,(^.' How loni» since ?^i' .a"-* '" A. It must have been (Very soon after 4 1 was written^ .I'believe, , ,-. t, ' \ it (.v.. .-xa i.'i.».'-:>>-vf. . ' A. It was while I lived in Gloucester-place, Q. How long ago is it since ysm litedtn GlouccHeT'' place ?-*^'";V*.V».-,^*?% .jflV*.!-'} 1••-'.:^!;{'V^;.^^^Ai4«• .* *.>i ^)l :• ( 442 ) A. Since the vcar 1805. Q. Did Dr. O'Meara, upon sending that letter to you, direct any use to be made ct it ? A, Yes, lo shew it to ihc Duke of York wiih ihe other papers. Q. Was it about the time that the Duke of York went to Lord Chesterfield's chrjitening that Dr. O'AIeara gate it to you ? - , • . . A. No, I believe it was some time previous Lo Jhat, Q, How long previous ? •4. I cunnot say. Q. It was previous to that ? A. He gave me documents, but I am not sure that was among them 3 but Lara certain that I received it from bis own hands. . ? . . - .- [The Witness was directed to withdraw. - . • -■■'',. [The following Papers were renc! : Letter from Mr. Maltbv, dated — July '2^^th.— Saliinlay evening. -^Friday afternoon. — May <20tli.^WetHw8day""ivft*moDTi. Decernbf r 7th — Thm^dny, 5 in tlie afternoon — A paper bcgiooinjr *' The Receipts to b« ta- ken,*' See— Receipts in p^CkWi» beginaioj: *' Keceived of Mr. ^ , lilakg," JcCr— Letter Cnorf-Mr. Barber.— rAnothe^ form ofRe- ,ceipt.— Agreement, Vegiunin^, ** I William iavber,''* &c.-p- A note from CoKjnel 'Mac Mahcm to Mrs. Clarke, -dated Monday moroing. — A letter from the same, dated Wednesday mot-nine:; and from the same dated Tuesday niorningj — Letterjfrom H13 Poyal Highness tl)e Duk^jof Vork to^irs. Clarhe^-dAlod Augtjst ■ the 4th, 1805."— Letter from His RoyalHigrhness the Duke of York to Mrs. Clai-kc, dated August 24th, 180-i.] •• • ~ ~ • *' Friday Morning.'* *' CVjElR Maoam, ,♦ • > .. . I;i^« •** 'THfE Hieguneni ior Mr. WalUama ie poin^'ti) India ; tlils i» ■** Jucky ; therefore, let him rmpjadiately prc/vide tiienetoful, " afld I will arran^ in ti'An^ way it is to be deposited. ' Have ' ••* VTXi writterftobim, as no time to W lost. - ** As to the second Batwlion is the Gentleman here and f r«- »« pared? V *,» n * - 1. «;i ,"-.-"*r *• . r^^,j. ,. ,■ .*.,.-i..-. ** Your's truly, '-• ' ' '"' *' id, .V." *' Pray give me a Lire in answer.'* *' DiA« Madaw, ,.'&'■ ■•'^ ,' .** If jou catt^_i^ atry meant forward >he adjustment of Wr. ♦' MaJmtri* *'•*- ( 445 ) - ** ManriFrs' ArooTint as to his claims respecting the 26th Re^i- ** mc.-it whilst in Eyvpt. of whidi the late (Jenerul Manners wa:. ' •-**• th€ Colonel, *' Vou will much oblige*, *' J>eaT Madam, YoUr's tmir, ,^ ^ «• July 281k,'* •« Ji, Maliby." *' I (1 m't know your true address — I called in Holies-street a ** few days aj^u, aud fovmd you were gone." " Saturday Evening.'' *' My Deau Madam, ** I thank you very much for your kind attention — you would ■ *' be quite a treasure in every tcay to any Secretary of State. *• 1 am as anxious as you can be, that there may be no disap- *♦ pointmcntin the Commissaryship j and I am goading the Par- ** ties CYcry day. - «« You say nothing^ of the P— ship 2rfBattalicn; is the ** party ready ? <• When do you leave B—— place > '^ I am, Dear Madam, Your's truly, ** Dxar.Maujim^ - ■ -• ^* If I \hrv not the Letter ef Tltfcommetidation' imgiediatelj', - •*^' and^he. Money rcidy, I fe^r it will be lost. I understand the ** Roptnent is very RespeclabUf but 1 io not know the County '* yet. - ' ** Remember the Paymasterahipt ^ . ... " Your's truly, ■ - •^ Friday Jflemoorl.'* ' ," ^ ** ii. M» .-.-**■■ '^ * _ • «• May 20ri.'» •' Dear Mai>am, •.^-*» .. *• Mr. M. is BOt, i bdiev*, »n ^«s countrVr b«t far distant ; , *».9o it will notaxxswer to««nd your letter. ^ Shall ] enquire for ' «• the object you mention > What RattMf aiid whoi shall ] pro- *• pose for it ? •♦ Do you know any one who vishes, on certain termE, s Pay- ** mastership in the E. Indies.? , . •* i will enquire about' the oM - r • .. r> i:- .,: :♦.. . ...= .. " FornM of Receipt." " Receired September, 1 8GR ." cf M. Blake, and • • ' «« thesamof Three hundred and ISixty^seven Founds Ten Shil- " hugs ( 445 ) '• iiogs, 10 be repaid by us to the liearcr of this Koce'pt, tipon *' producing tkc same indorsed by the said IM. Biai.e, ai;-! ( Sig;ni-!) Birck and Co.^'* ' *• I do hereby acT'^e to indorse a certain Receipt, .dated *' September IbOB, for 'I'hree Hundred and Sixty-seven OMiindr. '* Ten shililnps, received of M. Blai»^*^ .. .r..-.-.:. /«: Si '»^<' ** It is impossible for me to pay the Cash in this day, or even •*•■ to-morrow, as it is in the Bank. Understanding from you •* that it Mould not be wanted for a fortnight, I hopt; the busi- " ness will not be stopped for the want of this, for you may rest '* assured, honour Is the order ofthe-day iulhrs transaction, and " L. will come up directly and.&i^pply the Gash. 1 havcmade a *'■"**' little alteration in the blank Receipt and A^recn>cnt you sent *' me, but which I dare say will not be objected to bv L'ovd and '* .Co. - . ., " . ' " Your's very obediently, '• Tuesday." ' ,. - " ff'm. Baibs:.'' '* Received Spptember 1903, of " Lloyd. Esq. and Wiliiam Barber, the sum of 1. to *' be repaid by us to the bearer of this Receipt, upon producing *' the same indorsed by the.said Lloyd and Wiliiam -'.j;>o vi jjarber, or by the said VVilliain B»bcr xjuly,- in case such ite- ; I* »=»«»' ceipt, with the said joint Indorsement thereon, ^hall not be ** produced to us ftitUin two Montlisfrom the D^te hereof. *' /'•S'/^rzerf) ■ Coutti andCo." .«, ...■.--•• •. ' " Agreement. " I William Baiber do hereby e.^ee to indorse a certain Re- *■' ceipt, dated September 180S, for jT. *' received of John Lloyd, Esq. and myself, by Messrs. Coutts V ^:^ '":, . ..-•.;■ .^••'- .w..- • "and ♦ This and the two following Papers, are written in Fcucil. Ko, Xlil. Fp / 1 t- *, 1 -t \ '• aiidCu. imuittiiaieiy on tho appoiuinieiii u\ .'. W. Lo.i^!.^ •' E!>q. tu ilie piact. 01 A.-s.s:aiit LuuMiussarx , appfaiiu^ iii rii*- " London Gazette, pri'vi.!' i! sucti apjx)intii:ei.t tiikcs pii.cv *■ wiUini twu nif-iiths liX'iu 111' (b'.o Ikmcu''. Ami I ll;e ^aiil J. " L'l.yd, do heri.by auixv, lUat in dse Ib.K above-riii-nlioriLd " Appointment bhall not app< ar in the Loudon (.TMzelte wi'hiii '< the time nbiive-iHt^iitione :,'hni that 1 tiie said j. Loyd will in- '* dorse oversuch Rccetpl lo the said Uill am bcibcr, to enau'c *• h;in to receive such above- mentiontd sum irora Messis. *• Couits and Co. so depuaiud jii theu" hands. " £." Sir George Hill trusted the House would pardon the anxiety he feJt of explaining the advice which he had given to Mr. MaUby, relative to tlie conduct which at that bar he ought to pursue. He knew Mr. Maltby from having often met him at the Fishmonger's Com- pany, of who?e hospita ity he had, as their tenant, fre- quently participated. His advice to Mr. Maltby was, not toiiold intercourse with the Honourable Gentle- man who had introduced these charges, but to obey the summons of the Comuiittee, and fairly state all he knew upon 4his subject. The following ictiers of Colonel M*Mahon, as deli- vered in by Mrs. Clarke were then read* '♦ Colonel >L >L'ihLn presents his bfsl compliments to Mrs. " Claike, and had only yesterday the pleasure to receive her " .note of 'ihursday last, tor ahhouch he has returned to tov.n " tor the season as his hcaa-quarters, he makes two or three •• ilays 1 xciirsions trum it as otien as he can, and it was dining " one of Uiose that Mrs. Clarke's note arrived, olherwisent '♦ should not have so long- remained unansw(Med. Colonel «' M'Mahon will take the first forenoon he possibly can to wait *' on Mrs. Claike in tiie coiirse.x)t this week." ' *' Addressed : " Mrs. Clarke, " 14-, Bedfurd-plaje, Bloomsbury.*' " IVetlnesdiy MotninzP '"■'• " {Prlvatp.}" . «' X shoold beinostb?ppy to bring about vour wishes, and rcn- ' *' der ( 447 ) '' der yon any scn'ice with the Duke of York, hut I havo not " been able to sec him since I had the phtasure of sceintj Viu, " arul I urKh^rstanii he cnf s tT Windsor to-dav, and stnvs til " Friday, when I will try all in my pciwiT to seek an andionce " on your bnsines?, hut am ohhi't'il to co out of town myself un- *' tii that day. A tnousaixi tnaiik? tor the !oan of your seal, " from w.hic:) 1 have had an iiiipretsion t»K«n, in reniembranrc " of your sprightly Utvue. £vcr yonr's, " Mr.i. Tarquhar. " J. M." •' 1-t, litdfuTil-plucc, Ras el-s^uarc.^' " Nothiuor. Mr?. Clarke maj' b? assure^!, but indisposition. ♦* and wanting in the ples'^ure of havriir any triine su'-cessfnl to *< report, could have so tong prevented my c:diingon or setidni.;: ♦• to her. " inwhaf^ver communication may have been made to !\Ir':. " CiarKe's lawyer, I am indignant that such terms as" eit'ier '• deceiving cr laiicjhinp at yon," should form a part uf it, i,a»- •• in? reference to me ; for while 1 lament my tot?.l inabiiitv 1 1 " serve Mrs. Clarke, 1 am ready ti confess that m tiie few i. - •* tervic\\> I t)ad tiie honour to tiold \v:ili tier, her CcDdm t aid <« Conversation rieinandf'd nothing" but iny rrupcrt. and thep.^od •• wUiic* ! bear hei. •• J, ^fr DUKC OF YORK'S LETTERS. «< Auzml K, 1S05.'* " How can 1 sufTiciently express to My Sweetest. :My Darlirg^ <' Love, the dt light which her dear, her ])retty letter^-ave m*-, " or how much I fi.el all the kin-l- f^inps she says to me in it r '• Mllions and millions of thanks for it, My Angel ? and Be as- ♦' sured that my heart is fidly sensible of your affection, and •' that upon it alone it.-; whoir happiness depends. " I ain, however, quite hurt that My Love did not-fo to the *' Lewes Races , how kmd of her t>' think of me upon the occa- " sion ; but 1 tru^t that she knows me too we!i not to be con- ** vinced that I cannot bear the idea of add nir to those sacri- ** ficcs which L am iuit t )o sensible that she has mar!^ to inc. •' News, My .Ancfl caa.if.t exi-ect trom ire from heiice; " though the life led here, at least in the family I ani in, is very '• hurrying, tijcre is a sameness in it which affords i>iile subject " f'jr a Utter; except Lord Chestevtield's family, there is not a '* sin,:i^ie persei,, exct pt ourselves, that i know. Last riipht we <• were at toe play, which went cti bettor than tiie first right. " Lr O'.NLara, callctl on me ycrerdiiy murjing, and de i- I' p ■£ " vered ( 448 ) " vpred me yo\»r letter; he wishes much to preach before RoV' " alty, and if I t»an put him ia the way of it I will. " Wi)atatimeit appears to me already, My Darliiicr, since " %'e parted, how impatiently 1 look forward to next Wednesday " ^cunig^ht ! " G(»d bless yon. my own Dcnr. Dear Love ! I shall miss the *' -Post if 1 add more ; iS, (jloxcesirr-plrce, fprlmnv-f^uare.^* 79. Induncd : ** General Llavcrtrg, '^c* Mr. TIMOTHY DOCKERY was called in, and examined by the Committee as follows ; Q. Do v*)ii know any thinw of the transaction reLilIvptn the |nir( hase of a str\ ice of plale sent to Gloucester-place ? -7. Vcs. Q Rtiate \v! at ynu know of that purchase* ; in ihe first place, what comnienced it, and how it proceeded till the bargain was made conclusively. ji. Nor '•«".n?T a partner in the house at the time the pur- chase was-maHeri i= '/ Q. Do you know to whom that specific service of Plstte belonged, bejfore it was sent li» Gloucester- place ? yf.'Yes. Q. To whom did it belong ? A. Th6 Duke -de Berri. * Q, Do vou of your own knowledge know that anV' part ' ^ .' : -t . ...j; of ( 452 ) of that Plate \va5 sent wp to Gioucestur-placc, for ihe in- spection of ihe Duke of Vtn^k and Mrs. Clarke ? A, Not to my recoliectton. Q. Do you recoMect eiiripr the Duke of York or 'Mrs. Glaike bcirvo f^t Mtssrs. Birkttts, and ex;iminnig the Plate in theji shop ? — A N'o. Q. Do you recollect any ihing with rrgard to the pay- ment f< r that Plate ? — 14. Yes. Q. Stale what you do recollect with regard to the pay- ment for it. A. Five hundred pounds were pai({ at the lime the Plate was delivered, and the remainder was settled by bills at dif- ferent dates. Q. i»tate by whom the five hundred pounds weie paid in the tirst instance ? ■ A. The five hundred pounds were nf)t paid to myself, /but it was paid, i believe, to Mr. Birkett, as well as I can recollect. Q. Do you know by whom it was paid ? — A. 1 do not, Q. Do you know how it was paid, v\heiher in cash, in B«iik note^, or how ? A, In two notes, one of three, and the other of two hun- dreii pounds. Q. Do y«u recollect by whom those -Bills were drawn, by which the remainder was paid ? ^. To the best of my recolIeciioT), they were drawn by Mrs. Clarke. Q. Upon whom were ihey drawn ? . . A. The Dukeof Yofk. Q. Doy<>u of your own knowledge know that thoie Bills were, afterwards paid by the Duke of York ? /^. Certainly J do. Q. Did you yourself offer those Bills to the Duke of Yoik for payment. ? — //. I did. A. Did you see the Duke of York at the lime you cfEer- ed them ?—^. Yes. Q. Do you recollect what 'conversation passed between the Duke ol York and yourself at the lime you offered those Biils for payment? ^. No 1 do not- Q. Do you recolitci. the Duke of Yoik'ever speaking to you at iill respecting the service of plate ? A,. So T^- ^ ^ ' V/ m -. % #vv;/////V/ made for the plate ? ^J.— No. Q. Do you know wiiere the person Is who held the Situ- ation which vou now hold, and who was he ? A. The person who held that situation is dead. Q.' What was his name ? -*/, Thomas Walker. [Mr. Parker produced Mr. Birkctt's book''; and liie Account gfven in on the pih inBtunt wiia^hcuii to the Witness.] Mr, Jrard/e.—CTo Mr. Dockcrj^J Q. Refer to ih.it Ac- count, fintl state whether it is the account to whicij you have aliuded? — A Certainly. Q, Are those the rotes, to the best cf your knowledge, for which you received j^iiyment. from ilis Uoyal Highness the Duke of York ? ' A. The. notes that"?iTe entered here were the notes re- ceivrd of His Royal Mijihne*^ the Duke of York. Q. On account of that plate? — ^. Yes. Q. State the amount of the whole. , A. One thousHnd eight hundred an'd twenty-ore pounds eleven shilliiigs^and four pence, that includes the five huiu dred )>oun Is. Attnnicii General. Q Is this account headed ? A. It is. • Q. How? A. Mi- Cl-.rk^^, follows; Mr. W'ardlc, ( 434 ) Mr. Wardle. Q Do you knf<\v Mrs. Cinrkc ? — A. Vt-?.- Q. Do )ou know Colonel Siiaw ? A. 1 nevtT saw l)ini but oncf. Q. State >vhcitpnssf(l at that interview. A. I had Leea some tune iiegociann!: Avith Mrs. C ';iik". for an ♦'xchange UiV Msijor Shaw, and he begged to ki.nw the principal ; 1 said it was Mrs. Clarke, and i particuiaiiv requested that lie would r,()t nieiuion to Mrs. Chirkt: thnt Mr. Donovan knew anv thin" 'd the matter. Q. Reldtt' what passed at tiiat on/y inler-view \fu iiaii vith Colonel Shaw. A, That vvasall lh.it_p^s-ed, except giving him a card or a note, I forget which, to Mrs. Clarke, merely saying that wa*; Major Shaw. Q. What was your reason for wishing IMr. Djnovan's name to b'e kepi a secret ? A. 'Mrs. Ciarkfe said she was afraicTthal Mr. Donovan N^'ould mention io the Duke of York any thing of the busi- ~ Dess, which would be her ruin. Q. When was it that Mrs. Clarke eNpres^cd ihnt frar to you respfCting ynur telling Major- bimvv of Mr. Djuovtin ? ./^.'The first nay 1 ever saw her, ' r>- - a Q, This was before you mentioned Colonel Shaw to Mrs. Clarke?—//. Yes. ' -'Q,"Did you ever mention Colonel SHav«r to Mrs, Clarke? till after.-lhe interview you had with Colonel Shaw ? A. \ saw Colonel Shaw but once, and fcever saw Mr*. Clarke but twice since. Q, Did you eter mention Colonel Shaw to Mrs. Clarke till after the intervicAV you had v\ith Colonel Shaw ? A. I had mentit)ned Colonel Shaw to Mrs. Clarke a long time before I saw Coh)nel Shaw, nearly three months. ■ Q. In-what wiiy had you mentioned Colonel Shaw. to •^Mrs/Clarke ? ^ . ' A. As a gentleman who wanted a Lieutenant Colonclcv ^'Trom his Majority ; he was a Major, and he wanted to- geX -%* Lien tenknf 'Colonelcy. • r •' . I.J.*- " i?. How fiid^ou know ihalColoncl SKaw wanted to g«t a ' Lieutenant Colonelcy ? . : ,■ "^i^'A* After I -had ^>een Mrs. Clarke, I mentioned tu Mr. .'\f.\^*\': I -. ' Dorrovan, Donovan, a fjentlcman I had known for many y<'ars, that I had goi sunie vt- ry great inlerfsl, and that if ht- knew anv peracn^ that wanted uny thing in llie army lint-, I thiiu^ljl I tuuKI gel il ; 1 related to tell him where it was, ox from v\ht)m. Q. Was it Mr. DonDvan who mrntioned Color.el Shaw to vt u ? — A. Yes. Q. What did Mr. Donovan state to you of Colonel Shaw, when he mentioned him to you ? A. IL^said ihat lie had very great rccvmmcndalions, an«l had, I tKink it was, General Burrard's iiitfrest. Q. What further did Mr. Donovan say of Colonel Shaw to you ? A. He said he would give se^ven hundred ponni?, I think u was seven hundred pounds for a L'eutenani Colonelcy. Q, Did Mr, Donovan tell you any thing further respect- ing Colonel bhaw ? , ■ • " A. Not at thut time. Q. Where did this conversation pass you -have now al- luiled to ? A, 1 think it was in Charles-street. Q. In const quence of this, did you apply lo Mrs. Clarke to get Major bhaw a Lieutenant Colonelcy ? — vt/. les. Q. Weie you to have had any part of that sum of mohpy ■which you have mentioned, provided the Jjieutonanl Co- ' loiU'lcy vvas obtained ? — A- No. Q. What was done in consequence of your application To Mrs. Clarke ? A. Nothing iit all. Q. Did the business break off, or did it die away ? A. On the night of the dav on which I sent liie note to jNIrs. Clarke, I received a note from her, inc'osing me ^lajor bhuw's security tor the sum, saying she was sorry ' she C(juld do nothing for Major Shaw : previous to this Mrs. Clarke sent tor me to desciibe the person of Major Shaw, his C(Hinexions, and his interest, without nhich, she ■^said, she could not mention the affair to His Royal High- ness : I could not then describe his person ; 1 said his interest was General Burrard's, and he had lately met with some very great fa^niry misfortune ; I believe his^ brother drotsned; ( 4yG } ', drowned, or something of that kind. Mrs. Claike answer* ed, that will do, 1 shall toll His Roval Highness, that I He* it in compliance with the request of a very old friend, and in conipasbion for his present calamnity ; let liim get iwo months leave of absence through some Gcncrul Ofiictr, durr ing which period I shall try and worlfup^n the feelings of His Royal Highness, to accomplish my purpose, without his suspecting the cause. Q. It was after this you sought an interview with Cole liel bhaw ? — A. Y ea. Q. For what purpose did you seek that interview ? ji. It was Colonel Shaw sought it. Q. Did vou then relate to Colonel Shaw what had passei between you and Mrs. Clarke : Jl. I do not think I did. Q. Was the matter bioken off by anv^ particular cii- cunistance, or did it die away ? A, 1 know no circumstance, except a note which Mib. Clarke sent me. Q. Do you recollect your ever speaking of ColonVl Shaw as having broken his word with you ? A, He certainly broke his w^ord with regard to tellirg Jvlrs. Clarke Mr. Donovan knew the circunisiancc. Q» Did you ever complain of his having broken hir. i\ord, in not having made you a present ? A, Never, because he did. Q. What present did Colonel Shaw make you ? A, When 1 returned Colonel Shaw his papers and l\n- . jiccurity, he eent his compliments, and was sorry for the trouble he had given me, and inclosed me ten pounds. Q^ Do you know any thing of a second application of Colonel Shaw's to ISlrs. Clarke ? -4. I certainly, do not. Q. Do you recollt^ct the date of the transaction which j'ou have been speaking of ? A, The first time 1 ever saw -.Mrs. Clarke vr as in De- cember 1S04, ^ Q. Had you evt^r. more than one converstition with Mr. 4)onovan upon this subject ? JL, 1 cannot rccoUtct, 1 have been in the habit of visit- ing ( 457 ) ins; Mr. Donov;in-Mn(] srcin^ liim frequently, aiii v«.h'vt conversHiion h;'s |ynsst'd I am buie I ca'.inot shv. ' Q. Suae lUv r^aic of ibe iriiirsaction }ou arcr speak- ■yt. It was Ill'.ir.k. from Djccmbcl- ISOi to April 18t)5» as near as I can guess. 1^; Do vnu oj'vour own' ktmvvlcd^e know -anv thing f'jr- tiuT of Colont'l bliaw arul Mr. D>njVun, in that irausac- tionJ — A. I do Jiot. •M^ ^Vel'e.^Dau in^ilwi haUt of 'tWrrespoflding with Colonel A. 1 :hii;k I.ruubt have writtPii letters lo him freq'.iently ; it was a lor.g'Bcriod, an'd'hc was \ery uneasy, he was k^pt in greaLsuspeii^e. ' • • • " (^. Stale ;vht'i!icr you have any of Colonel Shaw's A. I returned the whole of Colonel Shaw's letters, A» 'lo.lUti best oLmvknf)wle(isj;e, throOch Mr.- D.^novan. (5. At what period (lid you rcturii ihow letter?? A. \ beijevc it was iwco or three days'after he had seen Mrs.. Clarke. - ■ _ » •" Q,, liovv.came you to return tho^tf letters to Mr. Dono- van ? A. He said that Major Shaw wished to have done en- tirely wiih the bul^iue>5J as he. was convinced Mrs. Clarke could do noli-iinr^. ,(2. Theu vou do not know any thin^ further rcsnccrinr' the transaction- which took place afterwards tjctween Mrs. Clarke and CwloHci Shaw ? A. I do nf)t. .3//-. I). Broiific. . Q. Do you kno^v iiersonally or by re- pute, a Miss Taylor, who ap[ieared as an evidence at the -• Bar of this Iluuse ? _. A.-l have seen ^Iis>' Taylor," slie came to my house one day wiihht-r brother, Captain 'I'ayior. Q. V/hatdo you know of the character or repute of Mia Taylor ? • A. it. is very hard to speak from hearsay ; of my own knowledge" T know nolking. 'No. XIJI. Qq (2. Form ( 45S ) Q. From uhai passed in the iran<:iction between yourself and Mis. Claike, do >'on believe ihaL there could lutvo been any subsequent neg'>cuition between Mis. Ciurke and Co- lonel Siiaw ? yi. 1 do not think Mrs. Clarke ever hcanl of- Major Shaw aftcrwajds, [The vitntss was directed to withdraw. A short conversition aro;:e on the propriety of ques- tioning IVlrs. Kovcndenwitli respccjt to the charaaer of Miss Taylor. ■ ' ' ■ j . ' ' > [The Witness was again called in,] . Q Dill you ever tell anv n* !>;)n, and ii so, when, that Mjss'lavlor was a p-Tson ol'baci repute ^ .• • • A. 1 cerlRinly did sav that I did fuit return Miss Tav» •ioi's visit, as 1 bad lieard SiMiieUiing urvpieasaiit. Q. WiiHt was the unpleasant circunistance ihat-^you had hrard of Mi^.s Taylor, liiut preveiitcd your returning that visit ? A. It vvas hearsay ; an4 I sUo.uld suppose I am- not ob- liged to tell wlirtt 1 have heard, i know nothing my:>elf.',# [The \V;tiKbs was dire.cted. to withdraw. -Mr. Bafham represented it as absurd to ask a per- son who visited Mis. Clarke why she did not visit Miss Taylor. ISir. Fuller desired that the Witness might he called back,. and insisted upon asking her one question. It should he, whciher she would choose to put a fe- male child of ber's under the c.:re of Miss Taylor ? . Mr- Bragge Bathdrst was sure the House.would not allow such a question to be put. ...»■-<: [The witness was again called to the J^ar.J ■Genera! LoJtus»—H&. Would ihe witness from her own Jinow!ed«'e of Mias 'I'ayiur believe her evidence ? ; j,-^, . fThe witness was ordered to withdraw. The ( 450 ) The Chancfllor of the Exchequfr Ima^^incci fh:? question justihabic, and thai the character of Miss . 'ravlor, might with perfect propriety be sp'^'kcn n^ by the witness as to general reputation. In Courrs vi Justice It was allowable to ask a witness on oa'iji,\vhe- ther he would believe the te^-timony of any other parti- cular individual. Mr. Whitbreai> confessed that he would rathe- put a question to Mi>s Taylor, respecting Mrs. Ho- vendens<:KaraGter,than puta question to Mrs. Hovcn- dcn respeciing-Miss Taylor's character. For hi.s part he was not aware that any thing had appeared to im- peach the character of Miss Taylor. Slvc- had given her description of a person wjiich, if untrue, might be dispioved, but it had not yet been disproved. The only thin^ that seemed reprehensible in her conduce •was her visiting Mrs. Clarke, 6;c. - The Attorney-Gen- EKAL in speaking to order, con- sidered the subject under discussion was not Miss Tay- lor's character, but whether or not the questiT)n propo- sed by an Hon. Gentleman should be put. Mr. Fuller was for examining another witness. SirS. RoMiLLY declared; that when such a qr.esiicn as 'that proposed by the Hon. G-eneral was put in a Court of Justice, it was preceded by. an inqairy.how long the witness had known "the" party, and what were the means which the witness possessed of appreciating the character of the party. The Attorney General observed, that the ques- tion put to Mrs. Hovenden had nothing to do wiih the length of time that that lady had known MissTaylor, but related merely to what she knew of that lady s general character. Sir Samuel RoMiLLY replied, that the Committee ought to enquire into the opportunities which the wit- ness had possessed of duly estimating Mi,ss Taylor'^ character. He could assure the House hat he never knew such a question put in a court of justice, without^ '. . " Q^q 2. a^pre- ( 460 ) a previous enquiry into the means o£ kno'Aledge'WliicL the wirness possessed. He was convincecl thQiCo.nj- mittee would see the innpcrtance of this point, ... ihe Chancellor pfrhe Exch£QU£r was-otjopinicn. that lj;q question proposed by the.Hon. General n^*as legaUsed by liie bsseiticn of thcwirjiess that- abe-Ji^Bew Ivliss Ta) lor to a ceit^in cegrce. To.enquirc/if^rticu- iaiiy into tl-;e rtieiins by which ^shc' obfajnfd,^ier know- ledge W3ipi.fiioii»Hi.' Ci!^>HuUH*» swfr-il.. <^' ".■,,>" .;l.' x^t'?'-'"^ ' r- -j:. t , (^. Where do Ji<)u live? . ,. -;-,^,^.:-^ .v,, ^.--^.;:,bI-' ^'i. lu Vdliers-street, Xo. 29- . si^^-j.n ,'-il-. jnli ■; . ^os ' Q. How jonn, iiuve yauJi^;eu therf .?^.: .. «~t''^, '= •-.' ■•»-.*,.■ ^ 1 Leiit've noi quite ib^c? ino-titui;..,, y;— j.-^'. -M (^. Where have you ^ei..eru,l]^'jliye(T ? . ri>^-<; .;'*.:;^ -i. Where 1 Uved btforfV "il/a^ ^^^'^lil^-'-ia^-fe^^'lSl^^^^' ^'^*^''^ ^- ^ .^ VV-^crV-v J- "a-^^J in",-.,. ;^ , ' Skt James Graham. Q. How Ions navl' you lit'cu in SuuUi J\iiilion-stieet. _ . , . . - yf. Upon m^^SvofcfTcftnnht-recoll^c!^/'-''';'^ ^T'' '.'^^^" Q. Cannui_NOu ieco;l-.c ilio.v long-yril liv(Kl iri' ti%:el¥* ■ji. twciif lo'^ifftr two di^TereV.t pe^TioJi-'. ' ' — ' Q. Mow lon*^ hn\e you L-'enernily^i\-cti' in fi^T drxV^tr'et'i'?^' ' 'y?'; 1 had 'a house in I-*anti?n-^f- J'^n "^ .^ 'Two vc-irs and a liiilf. - »- • -•siKia.* .•!:>tni.i;"' ~Q. When difl yon U'^ve if:.? ~ J J :m-- ^ -' -i: ^v/v^. -; :.*: Lf^. in iSOfi, l'helit«ainn Juuf;,.'.-' '■ wji • ".-v. .'i'j-i.T?.;{i3Jr» .:' r?;^D!d you- liVe JJiere uh<'n y<:iu i^site^l. Mr<. -ClaiVe ?-^"'' ' .A. 1' r4?ven visited .I\ J i-s. Ciaihe. **> •• iiii. .;: •.•.L':..v^i~>0 Q D : d t h e VI 5 : t \ c u w h '.^ n \ I; u i ; v e d I h l- r e ' -tUjK* :Nju;a 'c^ < — ( 461 : Q. Where, tln-n, did you see Mr->. Chuke ? A. I went U) Mrs. CUrkeon bii>ineb!, Q^ lla\e you Ix-lort- staled uli ihe busiiifi^s that you went to hor upon ? — -i. No. Q: 1 hen slate what other business. ^i. l^ardon me ; what other business I had with Mrs. Clarke was for commissions for other co^l^'m^n, whose names h«ve not bet^n mentioned, ivv whom she never did any tiling. [I'he Witness was directed to withdraw. Mr. Brand objected to the question. It seemed to him unnecessary to state ti e names of persons against whom no charge existed, as wa^ evident from the wit- ness having herself said that thev had not >'ct been mentioned. He thought it extremely unfair to put such a question to a person of whose veracity the Com- mittee could not but have encre^^sing doubt. Her loose statemeftts might be of seriou-^ detriment to many respectable persons, an^ if the Hon. Baronet persisted in his question, he should feel it his duty to take the sense of the Committee upon it. Sir J. Graham declared that he had no other view in proposing the qu£SLio-n, but that which related o the general course of the proceeding. Lord FoLKSTONE expressed his astonishment at thw objection. The Committee was instituted for the ex- press purpose of inquiring into abuses, and many great abuses had already been discovered. Here was a question which promised to lead to the devclope- ment of further and more flagrant abuses, and now the Hon. Gentleman objected to its being put. Who- ever referred to the instructions that the Committee had received from the House, roust be convinced that the question was a good one and ought to be proposed. Mr. bKAND observed, that the witness had dis- tinctly stated that no proceeding had taken place ; as thereroiC no injury to the public had resulted, to in- quire into the subject would be attended, only with in- a^avenience. Qjl.3 ^If^ ; 4Ci } Mr. Filler could not Fee whv those persons who were involved in this transaction siiould not be drng- -^' I* ( 4G3 ) ui. It i'^ trot forwitnt of T)iPinnr\-, or want of rc'poct :o the iloUM', but 1 CHnr.ot iianjo ll\cin. "'. On the motion -of General Ste'vYAHt, tic ^^Hness twas ordered to withdraw. .. -Tiie General clcprecatcJ a fiirtJicr perFCverrmce In the question, considering diMt maiiv respecfablc offi- cers in the army, and particularly in the militia, had furnieriv dealt with people who were, or f)rofe>«.Gd to be commission agents. Bv the ansver t^) the question proposcd.,by.tlie Hon. Jiaronet individuals mi2:ht sus- tain a serious and unmeriied evil, for which thev could have no adequate redress. Mr. Whitukead on the contrary thonaht, that if the names of the persons alluded to by the witness had been actually conveyed to Mrs. Clarke, the question undoubtedly might beanswered. but not else. As to the opinion expressed by the gallant General, that anv indi- vidual who should sustain unmerited injurywould be preclu, that answer laid the foundation of more satisfactory proof of culpability. In that case, he should be far i'rom lamenLing the event ; for, as the regulation to which the Hon. Baronet alluded, was well known in the army, it certainly ought not lo be infringed with impunity. Mr. Canning proposed, that \^hen the witness was called in, the first question put to her should be, Whether^or not the names were mentioned to Mrs. Clarke r and that if thev had, she should be-required to state Lhem to the Committee. [The Wi ness was again called in. J £Th« Chairman iiifoimfd the witness that it was the sense ot the CoiDniiiiee, after tiiscubsi^n, that she should enunnerate the names of the Persons to whom bhe had reierred.} -^. 1 cani.oi mention their names. Q. You>.have slated that it is not from want of memo- ry, therefore endeavour lo recollect as mai;y of the names asynu can. , A. Ilis because I think it would bea very dishonourable act in me to discover me names of Gentletnen who have never been brought torvrard, aiki never profited by. any one act I did, [1 he Chairman stated to the Witness, that the House was armed with power to compel her to answer, and lo Jnfi;ct a very severe censure ypon her if she did not answer the quf biions, which il was the opinion of the Iluuse should be answered. J Chancellor oj the Exihtquer, Q. Had you authority, from those person? to whom you reJerredj to grve their names to Mrs. Clarke. A. I caniioi rpcoliect that, I declare. Q. Did you ever carry the nmues ol" any persons to Mrs, Clarke, wuiiMtii (h*. ir autiiorilv ? ^ 1 do not know whetiier i did not, I am sure. (2. State ( 465 ■} • * M. >tate po-^iiively vviie{li<.'i- yoUMJid or rlifi r!<',t r -.1.; ,.v/^ Jiiticcd, my jneinorvwlot^ imjiIu'.j) inc oui. ' --i .^(»i» Stale. tliu uariifs. .t. I caniurt. .,...- ( [Tlie N\ iU)C5b-.nas liHrc'Cfed to wifJiuruH'. ■ Mr. C^NNMNG obse" vcd, that the persons In -ques- tion mi,i^hi have applied ccnerali\' ro the witness- to prg£.ure..pvoriiaiion.toi them» without authorising her t) refer to Mrs. Chirke. Now. .is the inquirv- Sulcly rtilated to ihe Duke of YojJ^,. he . submitted to the iigUse ti^e expediency of frajx»ing,tlieiqnestion i.n such a inajjiier, liiat it siioulti not b.e prodi.vtive-C)^. any ir- .^eievant matter. Probably jnany. of tiiosc persons had '^a,ppiicd to the witness as a Comruission Broker, with- 'OUUibeij-jg. atall aware. of heLCoruiectiaii with Nirs. • Claikc../. . \[^,. . ..-'?:.: .,...:. .. :^ . Sir G. Warrander called to the recollection'- of tbe-HousCj a former exa^niparion of .Mrs. Clarke, in -which. itapptared thcit a.iarig.list '.of persons ;desiroue oFpromouop by her means, had beeneariied to her'hy .Mt^.Poxiimpociaiic.e.xo gat at the ;: Mr. Whitbr LAD denied fthat .an inquiry into * the coii^uct of. the Qurke- of York: was. inseparable fr-om.aji inquiry, inco the conduct of Mrs. CUrke : or chat fwhexi-.th'at.lady- *vas not hnmediateVy.CQncerncdy in- vestit^t^on shoald^beehccked. io his opiirion ■■n'err improper channel that oft'sred-it-self to the^o^servatioa .;Ofii^e. House,; should be-strictly inquired into. -^ ' ■ ij^^fyj. Gi?A.HAN5 supported-: the ueccs5ic)"-;of the question. ..-•.. . .; • ' •- The CHANCELLORof the ExCKEOUER allowed that, .if if were proved that the names went to the Dukeuf York, and that he acted upoN them,jthere coujd not be a moment's hesitation on the subject ; but the fact Tell ..-•• ... .. shQrt ( 46G ) short of that. It was on this ground aVone that the question could be considered ut all as objectionable, and not from ilie consideration tliat the persons might not have aurhoiised the witness to give their names to Mrs. Cldrke. - ,;Mr. YoRKE was distinctlyof opinion that the names OHght not to be proclaimed until it could be ascertained that the witness had express authority for communicat- ing them to Mrs. Clarke. Mr. HusKiHsON, adverting to the offices that had at that period been open for the purchase and sale of Commissions, intimated that the witness mit^ht have been connected with one of those offices ; in which .case the question ought certainly not to' be put, as the names of many of the most respectable officers in the army might be wantonly trifled with by such a pro- ceeding. Sir James Graham thought it would be unbecom- ing the dignity of the House not to persist in. the ques- tion. - General Stevvart then again deprecated theconsa- q^uences of putting the question. ?- Mr. Barham observed, that if the question were put one of two thirvgsmust happen ; the- '-witness must -tell either truth or untruth — if truth, no one could lanrvent that a criminal ti-ansaction should be brought to light ; — if untruth, the person accused might exculpate him- self at the bar. Mr. Baring proposed in the first place to ask the witness, what answer Mrs. Clarke had given her when she dcliv^ed in the names ? ' -. Mr. M. Mathew declared, that If the question ^er-e.put, every Officer in the 3rmy would bewante«ly exposed to censure. I'he most respectable men would 4>c?itigmatised fornogood purpose w'hatever. General Phi PPS also thought it a most impressive question, and thought it ought to be rejected. Mr. M. Mathew then moved ** That the question be withdrawn." Mr. ( 407 ) "Mr. II. Addincton' could notpvea silent vote on the subject. It was impossible for liim to accede to the propriety of tlie question. Specific charges had been broii;;!^t against the Duke of York, and to those charges the Committee ou^ht to conrt:'e themselves. In (he course of the examination of the last witness, it- had come out collaterally that she had been employed by other persons to apply to Mrs. Clarke. Was that a reason lor investigating the circumstance ■: If such a a latitude of enquiry as this were allo^^•ed, the exami- nation might employ a whole session, and every other important business must be neglected. Mr. WiLEERFOKCS sympathised with the fe<^Hnf:s of those who might be exposed by this ojcurrencc ; but he could not consent to consult their tranquillity at the expence of the general character of the army. Ought it to go foith to the public that when a woman, such as the witness, was examined atth^ bar of the House of Commons, the House, apprehensive that her charges might be fatally extensive, did not dare to proceed in thd investigation of them. The Chancellor ofthe Exchequer urged another considertition which influenced him to allow thisques- tioTi to be put. If the witness should produce the long list spoken of by Mrs. Clarke, and if it should turn out that not one person on'that list had been suc- cefSsfol in his application, what must be the natural in- ference ? When out of fifty-two applications only two were successful, it was firetty evident that their success was' that of accident, and not of preconceived design- On this account, he thought that it would be but doing justice to the Duke of York to put this question. Mr. DuNDAS also spoke in favour ofthe question. Mr. Bathurst wished the question might be put, if it would lead to an)' elucidation of the subject, which he believed it would do. After a few words from Mr. ,-.HusKlSS0N, Mr. M, Mathkw withdrew his motion, Th? ( 463 ) The witnesses was recalled to the bar, and addresse^d by ihc Cliiiirnian as follows; ■ .• 1 ■ \ ■ £'hat it was- the opit) on of the' •Commiucc that ^lle miist auijiver . ilif quL'Stion' put io hci, iLiid that the llnyschad power to inflicL'verv beavvuuiifsh- ments, an '-^^ '- ■ ' A. I do Doi recollect, ' ... • iil?v. '-• . C Entieavour to recollect.— ^4. I cannot. ' ' ■^-■■ ^. You said ikere: were bcvejul na«ies, or a long lis-t of names? : -". \-. :':■■■: (. . ..•.^, *:. J. I do not think I s;iid that. I said there, were Sonne. . Q,. Didyou uevfr deliver the names ofAiiy roihiii' Gen* tlemen but Johnson and .Williamson ? H^fj v - A. ll tio x)<;t re'collcct.rjnY nether ;■ I think I had. others, but I do ngl tecoiicci their nnmesi ' ^> :-.-mV- .-'} QTYou diU4ejf •which -you have 'any knD^viedJ:e ? * A, I do not recollect any other whatevi'i-. .' * > ' Qx "Had IVIr. ■l>miovan any concern in that' liit eTjiumes -«hlch vo« ^EAte jotjrsclf to have given to Mrs. CJaike? •jr;'No.- • -^^i ' -■ •"■ • '-'" ■ ■■ ^" '. . • '■ Q. I>tv^*Mr. •IKijraran-'at ihtit trme'Carry* bn aiiv traffic oi the same sort ? " ' "'." • , j^.'I'Wnf>\vnMbirr^ hbout any'tbiiig 'Alr."Doiiovan docs, ■only t^hrtt^ent^mi^m'^tlf. hj...- .^•. ■ ■■■■■■■ ■ -■'■ ■'■ ■ ■ • :WM6- ( 471 ) Q. Wiicn vou'wenl to ]\Ir>. Clarke, was it of your own iiccord. or wtre you sent by Mr. Doiiovun ? 'I. I went o\ my owu accord, without any introduction *whaip\er, and Mr. Donovan never knew that I knew Mr.*.. Clarke till three montiii afleiward::, and till the bu- siness of Major Shaw was liuishcd. (2. ^Vh*?n xvas tiuit ? A. In April 1803 I think: I cannot be very certain as to ilie nK)nth, but I think it was April. f^. Was Mr. Donovan acquainted witli Mrs. Clarke.? A. Not to my kno wkdge, and 1 believe not. Q. W^re vou often at I\lrs,, Clarke's in Glouccster- A. I cannot say How often. ^. \Vere..you in tiic habit of gtiJug there in^c^eiitiy* " '^."Ivo, not very I'requently. Q, Mow often do you Siuppose yoii havei)eet) ;here ? vyj(,.Lat^r.iy J!vl,a.jor. Shaw got, very unpatitnt, and 1 went five or six times, I'tKink,' in the last month. Q. Did you ever go iber© on-ajiy. business but that of, ^l^t-Sd^w's ? . ^ .,,. " ^ ,. / . ;„ .. , ., ~ A. I stated before, tba,t I wen^ en other. business, and 1 have stated the business.. .,..^, .. Q^ Any other, business^ besides iL^loi Major Shaw and thatX3( Joh,nsou anj Williamson? - . : A^ I.do .not recollect the Other narmes* * . (2.. Dixl you ever go upon any other business but 'these two occasions ? . yl. No I do not recollect any other. Q. I understood you to state these n:inies of Johnson an AV;Ujarason were given up to IVb's, CUrke at the time witii a sreai number of others ? A, I have. not said a gre^t number. , Q, With other names, were this affair of ^lajor Shaw's and that in which Johnsun and Williamson were concerned, •,.Jlhe qnjy^opcasioiis on which you went ifj-Mis.. Clarke's ? i4.. I aever, went to Mrs. Clarke'-i on unv other business but that, till Major Shaw's business was finished, and the papers- returned. .,,- i ' • ^2. Were you well acquainted with the liouic Mrs. Clarke ^ iuhabjtrd in Cloucoiter-place ? R r 1> .< ^1. Ceitainl A. Certainly not. Q.. Itito \vh;tt rouni »licl \oui:fec} ((> ^f; ? A. Her bed rooni. Q. Were you ever in anv oihor room ? A, "ies, the front parloui anti ihe lir^rA jh^;- rv-.cjru', atid I'hc? bed-room. Q. There was very hnrKKoine An Miture In thai housc? A. Very. Q. V'ery magnificent •* A. It Nvas very genteelly furnisheil. Q. You have been all those rooms, and have only been there two or three times ; du you adhere fo thaf statement •' A. I recollect stating, that I was there six times within the last month. Q. How long have you been acquainted with Mrs. Clarke ? A. December, 1804-, I think. (2- The beginning of vour acquaintance wasin 1804 ? u A, Ihat i might call on hei. ^. Y ou have staict^, that yf)U were in the habit of re- turning to Mrs, Clarke all the letteis yoii received from her ; what reason had you for pursuing that conduct ? A. She beeped I shc^uld do;i . Q* Did bhe slate any reason wiiieh induced you to do so ? A. For fear anv accident t^iioula discover her lraffickin£r in Cc-mmissi-ons. [The Witness was directed to withdraw. Sir George Hill observed, that a letter had been given rr { 47r. ) given in from the Archbishop of Tuam, which he could not at that time insist on Imvinir rend, hccausc though connected with the Archbishop, he wns not able to speak to his writing. His Honourable Friend^ having no v/ come into the House, and he being able to speak to the writing, lie wished it should be proved^ ui order to have the letter read ; for he was convinced that the Archbishop of Tuam would wiitc nothin which he would be unwilling to have read in any as- sembly whatever, Mr. Bhrtsford repeated the last observation, and upon looking at the letter said that he believed it. to be tlie iiand wriungof the Archbishop of Tuam JOHN CLAUDIUS BERESFORD, Esq. a Member of the House, attending in his place, was examined as follows j (I. Will you look at rliat letter, and state whether it ;j the iian.l-writiiig at the Archbisht»p of Tuam? A. I huve seen him write many limes, and havo no doubt it js his hand-writing. TA Letter of the Archbishop of'Fuam was read.] " Sip, " 111 consequence of your ?pplication to me, I am ready to " give ample satisfacrioi), and to b?ar testimony, that I have '* liad assurances from perr.ons iii ^\hom I place the most im- " plicii confidence, that you are n Gentleman of most unexcep- " tionahle cliaracter in every respect, of a respectable family, " and independent fortuju;^ . " I have. the the honour to be, Sir, " Your most obedient humole ^fervant, " Cre^cenl, Bath, Feb. 17^/?, 1S06." " tV. Taam,'' AH(lres)>ec(Utr£et.'\ ■ Mrs. MARY ANN CLARKE was called in, and Examined hy the Commiltce, as follows : Mi\ Wardk, Q, Did you know Colonel bhaw l-^J, Ves. • Mr. Becesford. Q. Do ( 470 ) Q. Do you recollect who introuuced him to you? -rf. Not exactly. Q, Do you recollect l]is applying to \ou to procure any AppointmeiU for him througK the medium of his Royal Highness the Duke of York ? A. Yes, I do. Q. State what that Appointment was. A. He wished to be made a LiL'uienant-C.)lonei, and to get soine situation upon the Staff. Q. Did Colonel Sliaw promise you any pecuniary consi- deration on the event of his obtaining the Appointment? J. Y'es, he did. C? What was the jiccuniary consideration he did pro- -mise you ? A. 1 canriot say that 1 Immediiitcly recollect the sum, I believe it was one thousaUvj pounds. Q. D'.(\ you, in conseqtitr.nre of tlii^, acquai-itt -the Com- mander in Chief with such (.Iter, and apply f(jr- the Ap- pointment ? A. Yes, I did ; previ(;us to his getting the situation, he wished to be Colonel of the Manx Corps in the Isle of Man, . where his Father bad been Dt puty Governor. Q. Do \ou mean to £ay that you applied for this situa- tion for him ? A. Yes, 1 did, but there were slri.-nger claims in another quarter. Q. Did you then apply for any other situation for hi::i ? A. Yfs, I did, Q. What was thai ? -r^.- That whicii he now holds. Q. Do you know what that is ? A. Barrack-I\J aster at the Cjpe of Good Hope ; Bar- rack-Master General, Lbeheve. Q. Did you receive any pecuniary consideration in con- sequence of this Appointment ? A. Y'cs, I did. Q. What did you receive ? A. Five hundred pounds. * Q. Do you rccolle-ct h-ow you received that money ? A. 14iad three hundred pounds Irom Colonel Shaw, and two hundred pounds biougl.t by some man, I understood it "Was a Cierk of Coutts's, but I am. not positive^ and on that account ( 'IT? ) n.'c-.'iirit nail a jriiat niiiivi to scii.l ii back wgain ; ihinkiDcit would l)c made public. Q. ^^ crc- \()u i^a^i^,liv • v. illi liiib fiy,r fniiulred poan(l^ ? yl: No, i was in, I. Q. In consrf|i)fMce of not bt;iiii,' saii-fic'd with tlio f\yv KuiidKil i)()unds, did yui make any complaint thr(;ui.'h ihr Coniinaii'lcr in Ciiiel ? A. ^'c'5, 1 did. (J. ^^'i»at was I he coiisccjuencf of such conipiaii;! ? yl His !U)yal liiijhiu's^ said, he h«d toJd nu^all aion-.-, that 1 hat] a verv bad hOrt of ttiiiii to deal with, arui liihi I ought to have been more careful, and that he vTould imnK- diarely put idm upon half-pay. Q.. Do you know whether Maj ,r Shaw was put upon half- pay in consequence of that ? A, He Sent meseverul letters compiainijjg, but I did not ..troublci myselCmuch with reading iheiu ; cue v.f the Iciiers I cave+rt'to-ni^ht, h-believe ; -l.ihou^ht him already too well off, fur his conduct to me. : ■ '- " • •■.-... : :.ee.irica!ly so, and in th*" same app 'intment : It. Col. Ca- rry, D. r. ;M. G. Mrtjoi' t'S h Regiment I.t. Col. Vesey, T).' D. M. G. Canada, Lt.'Cul. 29r.h Uo-iment, the late Col. lirinsley, D. B, M. G We.^t Indies, retained also his full- pay Commi.->ir>n until hi^ death : arid 1 believe I stand sirig'-- l':r m the Army. i\i an f.flRcer beii:; appointed to the Staff abroad, and reduced on half pay in consequence. Thus my *' case bears in point of ij'iht. Youi feebnps wiU justify my " exjiretarions in point of promi.i'' and a<5 hands from whence I '' h i. 'J t.c= i;eriv (] xnuv ?r *■' ifve m wl.nb vtii ^\iii,Unow !.i>ai, iiiUej>ej;i;t-.nt c| parrnMiir.r " cousider:iiit^n. .1 nvriUd \ffcei : but. uvitil Circuui- " sianos city»-|'j| f ll;cms<-Ue.s, y( u ?.liall never vmcii-rstai -i ihem '* Utrongh uit < r l»y niv mtiir.s Hov.vx er severely 1 .lavc f'c-it. " hfiwevcr vfarijilv 1 luuv i> ive ixpic-std inyr^eli; oltin? he ns- " bureri, tiiat vou sliiMi nut (."spciicnre uneasiness ot my occa- " sionirg. Tuu' Uivis deciJct-l at iuticiit, yel ptruiit me to >ay " that it do(^s Dot asise from ivru/.-g o/Zft^/ici c* ine scvtTe ari-l •' cruel injury ofpiUtii-.^ uic on half pay. Indt-pi-ndtiit ot pic- s.nt inoiiiHcaiiun,!i,y i)rospccts in llie acuve lii«=' oi r^v p-r- t<*sion arc .niiJ«'(i by Jt, and, (lOii knows, ti.ey aie not .vi ry .briJiia'.if,;^£ionviMei(Mg either the length or the nature ol usy " seivice.. i'.iirlhcr. Madam, ia my prcstr.t icl''iiattoii iVoi!i '' 7:rj chi'rlic/}, it creates in me sensations parlie-'ulariy ))airifr,!. '*' ^he'n IreHcct, thai if api)roaching* tfl^t state to -which we '• nnist ali:, t soni'' perrod arrive,' that I couid not (by thi? "■ measure,}, ha-rgit he i onaolation oi resicrHint: my CuminissjOr, bj' <* Fu/eior ti.f- benefu oimy /ar_;,'c./flffi//// jacd'jthat they.shoiild in " liiis .ever.t have n'jQther nwintnto uf nf^ /i(rj!!:g sontid incnly '" i'nccffrars thun'm the cxpences of the purcliriic, ^c. ■is.c . cf •'■ aom^ CommJaikm?.'-, TtvFu<.'licQ?es the hurhiino" duns jiicration 'Vof therprcsent-.-CdiniiiandeciAiClwEfhave t»qep/eBiidi^- «• tingui?hed. ^o . ■■. i' •,-'-•;'•;■ •• i shall no longer trespass; my ot^ly apology rests' in (hat every feeljrgjs involved m the present object. I had even " ap|>r»pviat€d mv'fuTFp'ny for the education of ftwa children re- «' maining irti&ogiandibiitiUuessiias for sometime deprived- me *' of all my family. I.ct me,Madam,ovve goodofnces to you, and 1 ^.. «' ihaii be ercF grat,efuk. From your expiainicgthis case, I am '« certain that ^fi.J^'i/ic£ \vil] be extendfcJto me. Let me not ^ *' be driven from ii)Y^cofessioD, .Do away the present bar to -*' .my family joiu^pg nie.at the Cape; fori arrr sure thai your " sentiments wili a«curd, tiiat I oujjht not to sejv-p when no ,. " longer witu huuour aud oa a jec///rc/ca/ footing uitb tho.-e :>imi- *' la. itj appu:ni,(;u,, '_ " We are not likely, j jear, to be a healthy fleet ; sotne ships " are very cjo\ydcd, aj:d sickness has already made its ajipcar- " anix i and lljere are Iyto ships, 1 hear, without either dcirtor •' orn.f;i^.it"nes. r3re«Li;aDd 1 htpe to. receive your command-;. " Do away, the present evil, and unite the Appointments I . ** menlioned, and I will annual];/ vemit three hundred {lounds. " W-hil-l I vi:^)u\r^"^^r£iiiceiber do Tneji/.iicc, let not ajiy lliiii:: '\ prevent, this; ,a;lew nv>^ self or family, have ever to say thai ♦' we|^\v>d nl)jif(.4{uue lo such a baud." -' ' ■' ■" A'ldiVsstjd • jT :. .. " iJ7,-,, Gtf.'/!", !:«, XjluiLccdtr-placefJ^srtTnan-snuare.'' ( *Vd ) . -; ' J: Mr. Ciok^r' (^- I luiderao^'d .\*(Hi to iiave,o»enlit>ftetl^);i a ibruK-r lughtj tliatyuii iifvc) iv^^i rcprd-cnitu:! yoirrletf as bc;ng a wiclaw j 4>j j^^m ucw;aU^,l>y il^a^.fi/Mwer r A. Dofs ihe Gentleman incaa rcprcfeiUcd^ Or tliajt.I have ever I'aitl i

    :;i.. Q. l^:i\c you ever faid thatiyou wt^re, 91; vtjpreCeatcd youi reU' to be a widow r ^-^^^ni/^;. ■ •■.\. ■.: ■' ,,: • y/. If I have ever faid Uvrit wai oever.but at,the Court 5^Iariialj,tirf;it -waa ej^er at ftny-iollier uiuc^k-raMl liave beaiv iiija^c-; buc 1 never^epr^lVaitd myfelf to jae .foj the tw^ meauiugs are fv>i4'ftprciU>;o/, laying audvepreCentir.g. (p. Do yi)u ever . rqcoUp^t yoiintH u> iiave Itated your- fL-lt a widow. al any ^xUi^r ^ticpe, -but on. the occaiion 01" the Court Martial ? ; - ' / , ... ' ; .' • ; .• ,-; A. 1 do notj but if the "Gentleman wdl put/nein min! at what time, or to whom, . 1 will answer to the heft of my icco'lection. .-^ .. ;■ , ^ • :,-; , _ .^ Q. Do you-€ver recoil ei^_y.oiufcl ft© have ii^Ltod v®ui"- felf to be a widow^t arty qti^er time but da the occafitjn of the. Court Maitial ? ,;:./. .1 . .;;:... A. Then I mufi repeat; liae fame anfwer. • f _, Here Mr. Croker interfered, and faid ihat '* If the Committee thought that a -proper anivver, he was Idtisfied.**. : '. . - ^.. 1!-;.. V ,\^oj.. Q. Have you ever called yourfelf by any oihcrinamethan that i A. No, 1 do not ; but It is very likeJy others might call nie fo ; I never repr^fented myfelf as Mrs. Dewier. Q. Then you fay poiPtively, that you never called your- felf by the name of I>o^'l'er/ or reprefented yourlelf as bearing'that narftfe? :'-"■ ■''■ ' ' ■ • - A. No, 1 have not, without it might be in pke j tirvd if that is afked me, 1 avIU anfw^r the queftion j ^it rhuft have been to feme acquaintance, if to any body, as I have always HVckT undeV my own name." v.. > *1 Qi Didiyou not, within' the time Jlliuded'td, live at Hampft€&d,'Ja(ruming to yoiirfelf the-name of Dowler ? '• A. No]' I liV^dat Hanapftead, but urider|iny &^n name. - ' Q; Nor in ttfe neighbourhood of Hampftead? ' ' - 'A. No, liever any where, but in my own name. Q. In whofe houfe have you lived at Hampftead ? A. Mr. Nichols's.-- ' •• :• '• '- ■ Q. ■ How' l6ng' did roil Tlve at Mt. Nichols W? -' " • ' A. I cannot recnllect how long. .;...'..,. • Q. A confid^rable time f — A. 'Scfffte months/ ^'^ •'" • Q. During the whole of '^'v'hichy(^ tJaffed nnder your own name of Clarke r — A. During the vtiole time. Q. In what year did you live af HampfteSd ? J'. Part ol the year 1808, and the end of the year ISO;. Q. You have ftated when you were laft "here, that you had feen Mr. DowJer but twice firvce his arrival in En- gland j once on a Sunday, when he called relative to tiie bufinefs now under inquiry, and once in the WitJieffes' room in this Houfe 5 do yoii abide by that alferticji ? A. 1 will not be caught in a liory about that, and there- fore I fliall fay 1 did fee him once befides. Q. Do you mean to fay that you were caught in a ftory, when you before reprefented that you had feen him but twice? ■ . • - ■ A. No ; it Is now perhaps you wifh to catch me.in one. Q. Did you not fny that yrru had feen Mr. Dowler only twice r — A. It is ver)' likisly 1 might have faid fo. Q. Js that true or falfe ? • - • A. It i^tnie that I have {ten him twice, and It is alfo true that I have feen him three times. Q. Where ( '^si ) C^. ^^ !>:'!'.* >rd yau fee Mr. Dow'.^-r the third iiri;e w'lrdi • y.;u nu\v..!lki(k' -o? — .?.' In.this H~»iirL'. Q. Ho"w oftt'i> -liMvf y,ni ll'cn- Mr.'Dowler l)'jfides [hc4% 't lute limes; lincc Ins rt'turii tVoiii I'oitugnl? .i. i'tioie three lunes-r Once ti.ioe — yclterd*)*. : <^\ That istlie whole uuraber of rinies that 7 )U hive dcca rMr. IJowler lii»ce his arrival In England ? ■f-'i^Ai J heiicve llianliti Honourable C-tntleman can trll pretty well, tor h.s gaireir vv;nduw is very convenient for li)s prying difpoliiion, as it oveil.joks my houtff. ^. That IS the whole nuuibei of "times, that you have " feen Mr. Djwl-jr iince his arrival ih' England; — A'/W^s, Q. You are fure of that r— .4. Yc-s/ • ; ';^''', ^' * ^.'You are not now- a-fra-id of being caiignt in z ftory ; yoiuanfwcr with erte6t reco!lc6t'on ? "■ A. If the Honourable Gentleman wifties it; I ^^-j 11 fay I have liseni'iin of teller, iCit will .at all tefid lo any thing j 1 donvJt wifti to conceal that Mr. Dowler is a very particu- lar friend otuiinji. : .J v^ .r,,,i '4 [The Chairman informed the Witneis that (he . did not itand there to make obfervations on '\i. the Gentlemen who examined her, but to •^i-': »": give correol itnd proper anfwers to tl^ quef- '^'•!^'i- tionsput to her.l' " ;' -••-.---.■ v .k *>i^.n4Vj»ve, 'lis well-as I mn ircollea:;' '*^' ^ ^' ' n^.* At. wliat o:hcr places U^an thofe youhav^ alretdy .jnQntioned, and at what oihdr times, have you feen Dbk# DovvltT linaehts arrival ii> England ? / .- . • ■ A. ' 1 iiavc ieen liiro at his own Hdiei. ** A. The liiTi night he came home, 1 believe, .but whldi ^wasiohave beetiva perfe^^ fecre,i,~as.l did not wi(h my own fa;Yiily, or Jany one, to know T faw.hipi thatnight, ' Q. 'Only the firll nightiiccame home ?. '" ''"'A, And the odier n\\\'€% I have ftated. ' ' ■■'^-^'• \ >. \. p^. "c.v , .. £The wiitaci[s was directed to withdraw.] '-'' Mr. Wllb ER FORCE bbje£ted to thefe queflions, No. XIV. Si as I -1S2 ) as tending to no ufeful purpofe. The Houfe was already pertedlljr flvvartJ ot the character ot the wit- ncls, and there was no occafion tor this method of elucidating it farther. The Chancellor of theExcHEauER was fur- prifed at this interruption. It ought to be fecol-- ]e6led that the whole of the fe charges, as they af!e6led the Duke of York, principally depended on the cre- dit of tWs witnefs, and in fonre mealure upon that of Dowler. He had reprefented that he had only paid her one viTit, in the morning, fmce his arrival, and thatforthepurpofeof perfucidingher not to bring him forward. He had alfo endeavoured to hold hirafelf out as an unwilling witnefs. If then, after what both of theie witneifes had faid, it could be proved that {he had. feen hin> at his own hotel, and a6tuHlly pafl'dd the night wijh him, it would be a very material confidcration, -and would go ftrongly to impeach the tr-edit of boitb. - ' ^Jr. FITZGERALD was fuiprifed at tfie rebuke which the Ri^ht .Honourable Gentleman had given to the "Honourable Gentleman oppofite, who, from the moii conlcientious motives, had objc6led to this line.of examinatiiJn, which had no oth^r eWe&xhai\ to exhibit; Uie character of the witnefs, in.a fcrt of light, with which the Houfe was already acquainted, Mr. Fitzgerald defeiKled the propriety of* this objec- tion, and thought t^at this line of examinatioD ferved no other purpofe than that of bringing forward uu- nec^iTarv fcandaU 'Z:^.'* T ' Mr. Croker expreffed hie furprrze tj^at'tlV^^Right Honourable 'Gt^ntleman * (hould have volunteered in defending hie Honourable Friend t, upon 'wfjom be Ivfti cerumly'Uiade no attack, Mr, Dowlw had ♦ Mr Fiugf raW, ^.^^ ., '7- ,1 given ( 4S3 ) given in evickMicc, tliat lie had (ctni Mr.^. Clr^rl:.* omy twice lincc his rctuni tVorn l^oriugal, wlicrcas it no.v appeared from Mrs. Clarke's ovrn evidence, u\:\l they had met riiucli ottener ; and he put it U) the Con)- mittee, whether it could be coufidercd a*s idle in him to quefiion the witnefs upon a point which went not only to undermine the credibility ot one, but oTboth. Eefuiep, if inftead onlv of two inter- views, there liad riot been an hour irom his arrival in this country to the time at which he appeared at the Bar of the Iloufe, in which he might not havt been palling his 4ime with this woman, and plotting along with her an attack upon. the illuftrious per- fonage now accufed, it was furely tit that tire Com- mittee (liould be.made acquainted with this circum- ftance. . He tl^erefore trufted, that he fhould not be interrup'ted in the irain of qiieftions which he had tliought it his duty to put to thcvvirnefs. Sir G. Warrendhu admitted that the (^ueltton^ piit by -the Honourable GenOeman bore upon the credibility 'of the wltueis ; at the fame.'tirhe he was not of opinion, that in whatever rcanner they might be anfwered, they would injply that fort of contra-, di6lion which was calculated to remove the imprel- fion of the evidence from the mind of the public. It had been faid by a Right Honourable Gentleman oppofite "^ , that there were no minutes of the recom- mendation which led to Mr. Dowler's appointment at^the Treafury. Now if it Ihuuld be touud that fucii a minute did exiti— ', i--..-./; Here the Honourable GentlcQian was called to or- der by General Stewart, vfi vr^i^^ .. Sir George W ;\ r r e n d e r faid , that his object was to Ihtw that the examination of the Honourable • Ri^ht Honourable Mr. Long. S s. i Ger.tlcmaij ( 48.i ) Ccntlemac * could not lead to any refult at -ftll fa- li^i'acto^v to the country ; and, in bis opinion, it ^.ould be much better to make the (lueftions to bt«r «ipun facts, than upon any fiaw which might after- wards be detected in theconfiitency of the tviderce, Mr. Bragoe Bathu rst declared, that if this Kne of examination was roi tolerated; he did noi lee how the Committee could at all arrive at tlie truth. U the evidence of only one perfon was brought to j'ubltantiate a fa«51, it v\as furely of no fmall injport- aiice to know whtthgr the teiiimony of this perlon cughtor ought not to be believed. Kir. Adam contended, that the examination in- f^itutrd by the Honourable Gentleman, affefted the credibility ofDowlcr as well as of Mrs. Clarke, and I'.-.at 6n*that account it was of no fmall importance. J /owler-'had given in evidence, that he had obtained i;is rippuinifntnt through the influence of Mrs. C larke ; he had alio declared, that he had onlv feen her tv/ice iinae his return from Portugal. Now if IjC was convicted of favin;? what was not true in the nne cafe, it was by no means improbabic that he may have fpokenfalfehood in both. [The Witnefs was again called.] . : • il/r. Crcicr. Q. Are ihofe the whole of the times yon }i:u*ele.en Mr. Do-wler fincc his arrival in England : . A. Yes, Ihcy are. Q. You liavii ilared yon-faw Mr. Do\y!rr.at his Hotel j how oftin did VvOU fee Mr. Dowier at h:s'Ht)rcl ? A. I have told you, once. Q. Onlv once r — A. On'v once. ^ \<^ M. \N hi-t day was that r . •'.' :;.-..■,-' ■A. I have already itateJ 5 it Wiis tUe nift dny ];e came homt'. . . U' 'Jn 'i'i;urfdr>5' ?•— .^. Yes,-on T^Aar^day. • Mr. Croker W. ^^ i-ore money beiides tiie one thoufand ])ounds a year ? A^ No, I was not. I ccitaiiily coni^ilaiiicd to his Iioyaj Highnefs, ai>d he laiid, he wou d m;ike feme future ar- rangeruent. 1 convinced him that it was n^c iijore thaa iutiicient to pay tlie feivants wages and iiveritts. Mr. Tierbcrt. Q. Then if I imdeiitand vou vi{!"ht, vou fay politively that you had no m. re to-live iijfoii in money than one thoufand pounds a year r A. No, I lliould not fay that i if 1 have been very umclL liairalled for any thing, and could not get it from other quarters, and there was nothing in view,, his Royal High- nefs would then bring me one hundred pounds extra, or two perhaps, but 1 do not rccoUect even two; i do one or io., one now and then, but not oiteu. Q,. Then in point of fa6t, ihc C^)mmitlee are to under- ftand you did not receive any ccnliderable fums of money to fupport your «flablilhmen:, except the one thoufand pounds a year? — A, No. Sir G. Ifarrendir. Q^ In iho-courfe of your former ex- amination you ftaied, that his lloyal Highnefs advanced liims of m ney wiien unpleafant tilings happen-ed, and that unpleafant. things were coullantly happening} do yoii adhere to that ftatcment ? A. Tiiis is what 1 have been alluding to now, but it nc- yer exceeded two hundr4;d pounds or ca ne to that ; I ne- I. IS I) ) ver rec()llccl his bringing me tuf) fir.ndrcd pounds nv€! what was the allowanc.- ; \vi)en 1 lirit went lo'Giouccltf r Place,- the tirl^ prd'ent that ever his Ivoyal Highnefs mnclo: me was iive bundled |ound:> ; that went for l?ntn and tiitterent things. Q^. State what \ou mean by conftdntly j how often in Lhe c(n:rfe of n month ? A. 1 mean in the conrfc of tliice years. Q, How oiten cTo you niean iini^leafml things have hap- pened, ^^hen you ripply the term c .nltantly ? A. I ttiink It issn improper terin ; ihcy frequently hap- l^ened ; but Mr. Douler hr.s relieved iVveral things a3 well as his Iloyal Highncfs, and I think ofccner ; I dD not re- coiled bis Royal HighncfVs '^^\r\<^^ any tiling above twice. (^. Do you mean to lay that twice in the conrjc of throe ^'eais is your explanation of conflantly r A, 1 have faid that th© word was improperly ufed. \Mr. Wallace. Q. You have ftated, that when the Puke of York quitted you,, he left you in debt upwards of two thouVand pounds ; was that beyond the fum for which you fold the houfe, and was ne-t the houfe left to you for the exprefs purpofe of paying your debts ? A. There was n ) money left after the fmall debts were paid, and the fevcn hundred pounds I had paid among the poorer fort of people and the fervants, which-tWe lawyer ean prove j 1 have ftated that there was four or five hun- dred pounds to I\lr. Harry Phillip?; for his cpmmifTipn : T had no balance coming tojne. His Royal Higlinefs ftatcd^ that I had trinkets to pay the debts as wall as the ho^fe, but he knew where the trinkets were ; Mr. Comrie can fiate the whole. >x{. How foon after jou went to live in G.'bucefl-.TT Place diiKour difirt lies beg; n ? A. A long time a^'ler j I was perfecflly clear of debt when 1 went there. . . ... Q, Did you receive any foiifidcrable fum beforehand from his Iloyal 1 lighnefs, (y only received th-e inftjlments (;f cr.r living in Gloucefter Place wus it before you \ver«.' cnaSJi d to get any ii\n.i3 of money, by the patronage you talked of • A. I'erhnps thrtj or i'our months, or riye months^ i caruiot exactly fav. Q. Can you fay lo wha: amount you-'got by it in the 6rfl ywr r A. No, I cannot,' I never took any account. Q. Can y(fu fay to wliat amount you got by It in llie courle of ttie three years ? - A. So, 1- cannot^ i never took any* account whatever of -any thing. S:r G. Ulirrendir. Q. Did the Duke of Yorkdefray the *charge of no part of your exoendlture, fuch as horfes and carriages, independent of the allowance ? 'A. He bought one carriage, which I ftated before. Q... Did he purcbafe any horfes r - ' A\ i^'ov about fix months I had job hones, the orliers I ■always purchaled mvfe'f, I loft about nine hundred j'JOUi'jds in one year, in the purchafe of horfes. --■ Q. Were thole horfes kept at the expence of tUe Du^e. of York, exclufive of the allowance r A. No, thev were not. Q. Do you know the Father of Mifs Taylor, who was examined here the other nisfht : — A. I do. Q. How long have you known him ? ■ " A.'i have k'nr^wn Ifmi about ten years, but I have" never 'Teeh. him above ha'f adozen times. Q. Have you always known hi;n by the name of Taylor r A. xMways. Q. Did you ev-er ftate to his Royat H'ghnefs that on'^' thoufand pounds a year was infuLTictent to '.npport your efia- b!ilhmenl .' — ^^. Yes, he knew t. Q. Mifs ( ^193 ) Q. Mil'ft I'aylor ftau.d bcrfeli' to be very roor; have y >\i l)cen kind to lier, and made her /tieleiiis iroin lime to tune? — A. \eE, ] have. Q. Have yoU lately i* A. \ ».'.> ; ) linve not \vilh\n thcfe two monllis ; about Chriltmas the tiild me hic ihon'd get the money for iiei fcholars, it was } rcvious to tliat i aflitU-d hei. Q,. To what amou t did 50U allitl her ? A. Very trifi ng-, 1 had nutmuch within my own power. J\Ir. If'ardlc. Q. Did the Duke oi York ever lend out bills in yotir name, for wliieh he received the money hioi- fell"? A. I have afked for money for his Royal Highmrfs of a Gentleman, but the Duke wanted to give a longer bill lor ir. . Q. or your own knowledge, can you fay» that the Duke of Y(.rk was in the habit of drawing bills at date, in ■which Ke plac(fd your name ? — A. No. Q. Do you know that thefe bills, by which the plate at Meifrs. Birketts' was paid for, were drawu in ti-«e way al- luded to ? A. 1 never Taw j:he bills: I fliould rather fuppofe they were drawn upon himfelfand figned Frederick. Q. Do you recollecft ever getting any mone^ for the Duke of York^ wpon any bills drawn by himfelf, or any paj^'er of tliat defcription, that he gave you with his name upon, it :—^Ar. ^o ; I do not think that 1 did. U. \o[i {poke oi" having a houle at Weybiidge; "wa^ that houlV ever repared at your expence ? A. Ye5, it was thoroughly repaired, and I built a two- ftall ftable there j I laid out between two and three hun- dred pounds upon it, if not more j 1 l>elieve more ; there tsfcas torty or iiity pounds alone for oil'cloth, to fcreen his Royal liighnel's ; to fcreen his viliis, when he was going backwards and fv)rward3 from the neighbours. ' Q,. JJo you know whnt your diamonds coft the Duke of yoik ' — A. No, 1 do not j 1 never asked. . Q. Were tht^fe diamonds ever in pawn, during the pe- fiod y<'U were wiih theDa/ce of Xork ^ A. ^'erv frv-^quentlv ; and 1 reco'Uci that wiien Mr. :Xu. :5^rv. ' Tt !>ov.-1k ( ^9-1 ) Dowler paid me eight hundred pounds I took them out ; l"o that Parker '3 book would convince about the time that, hi.- got his- appointiTient, and 1 received the money from him; it was within two or three days of his being gazetted^ either after or before. • ■ •*■ • - -Q." Was the Duke of York acquainted with' the cir-, cuniftance of your diamonds being in pawn ? u4. Yes J becaufe he gave me his own bill once, and fomething elfe, payable to Parker j Parker can fliew by his books who it w^s payable to." Q. Do you recolie(51 the amount of that bill ? A. P" our hundred pounds. Q. You have this night Itated, that Tf ever you called yourfelf Mrs. Dowler, it muft have been in joke ; and you have ftated ali'o, that when you were at Hampftead, you had not called yourfelf Mrs. Dowler i* " - ■- - A, No, -I had not/ never. ' " ' ,,^ Q. btate whether you might ^ot thcii' have' faici, any * thing of that kind in joke ? - A. .1 mji^ht'have faid that in joke j" but I never repre-_ fented myfelf as Mrs. Dowler, nor as any thing' but ex-' ' ac^Uy what 1 am, exx:ept at the Court Martial.'; ' - - Q. Did you rec-eive any letters when yon were at Hamp-^ ftezd^—A. Yes, I did. ^ ' S" Q. Do you recol!e6t how thofe letters were direc^edvf •were they to Mr^.' Clarke .- ' - A., To Mrs. Clarke, or elfe to Captain Thompfon, for I was afraid of being arrcfted 5 or to Mrs. Nichols, the. woman's name who waited upon me ; Ihe adled as my" cook ; 'llie was the mittrefs of ths houie. : Q. D.) }ou recollc6t any letter or letters dire(51ed to you' as MiRviDowlcr ^ — j^. No, n« ver ; I never had fuch a thing.'". , 9, A^'as Mil's I'flylor in the habit of yifuing you fre-r"' quently in Gloucefter Place .-^ A. She almolt ufed to live conftantly with me there,'.^ ihe wouldJDelh^re'two or three days in a week 3 that was, wher. her Father's misiortunes were beginning. ■ ' ', .^ p. VYas-Mifi TH(»lrtr tn tlie habit ufdninn;, wheii.flie. was tliere, wilhaht^ Duke of York and yourfelf.^ ;. " . ^ '■ . A. Very frequently. '■''■ ^ ^' ' "^' ^''^^ f 495 ) *.)U at dinner in general r ^A. 1 never liled to let the livery fervants come into the rftom, very feklom or never, the batfer in general 5 the othrr lervaius u fed to bring the tray to th-j do:)r ; but Ihe has been feen in the drawing-room by the maid lervants, as well as the other rneaand the butler. Q. Had you a footboy of the name of Samuel Carter } A. Yes, I had ; but Colonel Waidle loldmehe would not mention that. Q_. State whether Samuel Carter was in livery or not r A. No, be never wore livery. -,-..4^. Did he attend your carnage when you went out ? A, Sometimes, if I had.no fervant in the way j but I iikcd to fpare liim as much as 1 could. Q, But he was in the habit of waiting at dinner iipou ^e Duke of York,' yourfelf, andMifs Taykr ? -'A* Yes, he was. ' Q. He conftantlj waited at dinner during the period he was in your fervice .^-^^* Yes, a Q. How long was he in your fcrvice ? -• t -'A, I ibould think, about a . iw^vemoiitb, not all that time in Gloucefler Place* : ' -> . - 5 • . > Q,. Where did he live before he came to you ? A. With Captain Sutton. • • .. . ^ Q. As his footboy^ or in what ca})acity ? . A. Captain Sutton was lame, and he was every thing to him. . ' Q_, ' At Gioucefter Place did he do the work jointly with the other-footm.jn.?>-r^.. Yes., . ■] • Q. Was he pcrfecftly well known to his Royal HighncTs the Commander in Chief ?•- ^j4. Yes, he was. . Q. "What is bcc mie of him } .. yi. He.is in the Weft Indies. Q,. Did you get him a commiQion in the Armyci j .m/v.!- ./4. Yes I did. . Q^ In what Regmlent did you get him a comnoiiljon ? * A. AVhere he if now,, in the lOth Foot y L think he is one of the Staff, T t 2 Q. Do ( 496 ) . ATr. Herbert. ■ Q. Do W)u know why the Dake O' Yx)rk w'lhdrew his protedtion I'rom jou ? A', rWr.-. Ad am (tares that was in confequence of my pleading xsvy marriaee to a bill ofone Lundied and thirty |)C)iiiiiib j but. I can prove the contrary to that, a> J had done it once before, and he knew it ; and the man bad Cent threatening letter-s to hiin, and to the \yhoie ftf his Rnyal. Highneife's tkrnily ; his name is Charman, a Silver- iiinth in >xt. Jamea's Street -, I have-niy oun cpinion of the Uparation. ' ■ '-;•-■••.',••-- r Q. -Did^his Kofal Highnefs affignimy reafoii for:it ^ A, Ny, he did not; but I guefs the-rcafon. Q. Was it on .account cf your inteiferencti&'ia JVIilitary Promotions?. ■: .'■-'. \-\' ■■■ \ A. No, jt was ^hat Isl:. Adam ftatcdi '.upon money «nalters-;abuLQOtithatone of the bill..; '"• ^^ ?;J^ .C Q, You ftated/thatiyxju.bai bcerofrequently converfaat in M litary Pn>motions, and fometirnesfbccdfsfu-Ily ^--can you coiihdeailj' ftate, and risk yonr.Tetiacity'DpoD;it,.tiiat the Duke of York wsb ever privy Jo- odc.op moret)f thofc tranfa^tions ? — A. To the whole* :♦.: i. ••■ ^ :• ^v.. ■; ,v. . ' Attorney. G(t£auil. jQ, Do you -mean fto ftdte^'that-you did not lepre lent that Mr. Djwicr was •yamil hafbsuid, •when yoirwcre-at Hainpftead ? *J '-vil^-;' bib i>t^{'W .u 'Ai No, I did not roprefent. . :'iu?^c.m:^-L) ."'^;V/' .>■;, Q. D ) you mean tor ftate, . thai yout-dtfl not -fay that Mr, Dowler was^yeur hofband ? ' -. ,v .! : 'Sf '-'^ = r ; ,1-; . - A, 1 niignt have faid fo very poiTlbly, but never ferloti's, becaufe ihey^imift have knoAvn -bet tdF, rwinjeyer I faid itno. Q. Did you or dd you uot eveiifay,fithaDiMr. Dovrkx msii your bufbaod^t .' .* ■ ; - iir.v vlf ,-- .-i •>'! ; \ . .w A. I thiiikikLis-v.ei:y poffibk~I d:difay'foi4nt.'the.niaiioet I have ftated. *; f;T ff'io o- ? d wJei W ^'h Q. Do you not know that yoo did Tay. that iMr;H>owJeT was yourhoibandv^'-r-r.^.: No, J do:not. - j'ov :?r:i . 5 - Q. Did you not aiTign a reafon for keeping yotir riaar- 'ftag^'with iiittiiecret ? ^' ,':>■:'»'. '^•.:;.v'j -r; ,:i..v- <^. ii. l,do;not recolle-dKthatl diid.;' I could oni}'J>averaid it tp forae one who was very intimate witbiin did n :t mean to fay that, I underftood conftant expences 3 I do not put the furniture as conftant expences. - Q. 'D^d not the Duke paj for the furniture ? A. \€6, all of it excel t ihe glafs ; I believe ihat cofl me four or £ve hundred pounds. The cliandeliers, ihofe-" I paid f -r myfelf. ' ' ... Q. Did not his' Royal Highnefs pay for the wini? ? ' ' A . He fent in a great deal of wine, but T bright wloe rayfelf J 1 kept a great deal, of company, ?>nd a gieai deal was drank. * ' ' *•'' Q. Do you mean to fay tiiat a chief pari of the expences for wine was not defrayed by his Royal Highnefs ? ..' A. His Royal H giin. fs fcni in wme, i ut it never was CDOUgh ; I purchafed wine myfclf^ both Clare', and Ma- ^(leira j and even that he did fend i.i, he ufcd to fcold very mVich that it went t(jo faft. Q. To whom did you apply for the Commiffion for Sam. Carter in the Idth Regiment ? 1' t 3 A. To v( 498 ) , ^A. To hU Royul Highnefs. -. -- - ' *'Q'- Did you apply to his Royal H'ghnefs for a com ml f- iiun for ^4111. Carter. in the name of Samuel Carter? '^A: Ye.-'; it was his real name. Q. 7s it the name in which he is gazetted r-^^A/'Yes. Q. Was that, the name by which he was ufually called ill your family, and even to his Royal Highnefs the Cora- 'mander in Chief ?-^.4. Yes, it was. .. jQ. Wiis his Royal Highnefs aware that it was the fame ■perfoti who had occafjonary waited U}X)n him Vt your table,- ' tbr'whohi'yqii aake'd that C; mmillion r — A. Yes, he was. Q. Was he' recommended by iiny b'>dy beficle yourfelf ? A. No ; I fu|)p(;ic it is in the Office ; farae-che has Tecoimmefided hmi. Q. What inten'al elapfed from the time Carter was in vour fervice till he obtained the CommiiliJii .' ♦ ' '•• A. I lliould think he ^vas living wiih ine near a twelvc- " mon*]) altvJiTct'.er, hot entirely in Ciloucefter Pii^ce. but •iff Ta\*tft ck' Place likewiie. , ■, l:::^)"!. Q,. Did he go immediately, from your fervice into the ?Ar-hiy r — J.-'l'es., he did. , , ::: •• "^ Q; Did iils'-R'tfyal, Highnefs fee Samuel Carter fwbfe- ■ '--"quent to his being gazeued c-r-A. \t6, he did. Sir John Si brig hi. Q. Did he fpeak to Samuel Carter •on'thefubjcft iof his having a coramiiHon, either before or ■ after he obtained"the Commifiion ? ' • ■''■'' A,' I do nbt know what his Royal Highnefs faid.^p himj^ 'biit'Tift'lav?^ him^ftcr he had been, down to the. lile of Wight, and joined the depot j he came up to me for fomc 'm'oncy, arid his Royal HighHefs faw him in Glouc;efter *-\Q.' Ts Samilel Carter any relation of yours ?_,,;4.^i.:. A. "No^ not at ali. , • Right Honourable Mr. Y^{}e. Q. What part of the time ■-- -• did Ca^ft^i'lfilre- ^ ilh' yhii in Gloucefter'Place ^ ' ,A. I Ihould thinl^'livfe oHfix months ; Vcannot exa(511y fay, but 1 know he lr\'ecl with me many montlis. ^ ">:,'• ^.'Af'tKe^'trnBe*Mirr' laylor was dining fo conftantly "^jiUbAoU as"7'ju reprefent, was Peirfon your butler ? -,"''•• ^. He ( 499 ) A. He waited upon her while he was there, and the other alfo : Samuel Carter has been waiting while flic has been with us, and another butler, who has left me. Q. You have Itated, that Samuel Carter was a boy ; rtt'hat age was he when he got his Commifiion ? :A. 1 called him a boy, becaufe he was fhort ; I believe Jhe was eighteen or nineteen, of a proper age for the Com- miflion. [Here amidft a cry of difapprobation, the Wit- nels was diretSled to witndraw.] WILLIAM ADAM, Efquire, attending in his place, was examined as follows : Q. It appears that an annuity of four hundred a year was to be paid conditionally to Mrs. Clarke; were you ' confulted- by the Duke of York whether that annuity Ihould or fhould not be paid ? ■ ^'A.' I have already ftated all I know refpec^ing that an- nuity, and if the Honourable Gentleman will refer to the evidence I have given, he will iind that I know nothing about the payment of the annuity. -• Q.- Do you confirm the ftatement made by Mis. Clarke, ^Ihat flie had an allowance of only one thoufand a year ? »A. If the worthy Baronet will take the trouble to pe- rufe the evidence 1 have already given, he will find it is perfectly inconiiftent with any account 1 have given, that I could- poflibly anfwer that queftion, becaufe J am totally ignorant, as 1 have already iaid, of all payments made by the Diike of York, except thofe which fell under my cog-* nizance as Truftee. ^ . ' ' [The Houfe then refumed ; to report prpgpefs, and .afk leave to fit again.] LoKD Folk STONE moved, that on the fitting of "the Committee this day, Colonel Gordon doiattend the ( '500 ) the fame with all the documents rerp'ecllng the com- niidipn of Major Turner, of the od or K.ing's Own Dragoons. — Ordered. The following witneffes were ordered to attend : Mr. Donovan, Mr. Dawfon, Mr. Shaw, Mr, Barber, 'and Mr. Nicholis. The Chairman then, on the motion of Mr. Wardle, reported progrefs, and afked leave -to fit 'ag&irf.' The Ho'nfuwas refum^d. arid " "" -^Z ■' Mr. Wharton brb\i^hr up the Minutes of the proceedings before the Committee.— -Ordered t€) be printed. • Adjourned at Half Paft Two o'Clock. ■"' Ori T u E s D '^ Y th e' 1 4th of Fe b R u 1 r y , > '<5nUlie''Motioh of Mr. W-ardle the Houfe re- folved itfelf into a Committee of tlite. whole Houfe to enquire farther into .the Conduct of the Du ke.qi ^.-, • » .\.Mr. Wharton in the Chair. • . Mrs. ELIZABETH BRIDGMAN was called iii, and examined by the Committee, as follows t^- • Mr. ilVafdU,: Q. Do yoti recoil e(^ tin y tliing of "Pier- fon, the butler to Mrs. Clarke,- calling to have a note oiianged tiie lattec ciid.of iuly, lg05 ^—A^ Yes, Ido. Q. State wherey m live r — A. No.OV Vere Strfeet.--*- Q. In what bulinefs are you engaged ? Q. Sta'te exaftly \JhQt; paired whh regar^i to ^fhat note ? A. I cannot rccoilecft exactly what palfed^but 1 did not change the note. : \ ,-. j..»v Q. Do you .recoil e6l Peirfon bringing a note, to be changed at that time ? A, He ( 501 ) .'1. He di^l bring a note, but. I tlo uot rccuUcv^t feting ilie note, and 1 did not change it. T/'ii Chanctlior of the Kxcitequcr. Q. Have y )U no memo- randums wliich you could reter to r — y/. Ko. Q. Perhaps you do not know the amouiifof the note ? --/. 1 think he faid it was a hundred pound doIjC. Q. You did not fee it, but he laid Jo ? , A. I did Dot fee it. --t :,:: Q. Do yru recollect with any precifion the time^ the day, or the month in whicli it happened r — A. I do not. . i- • "^ - ' > .ij/i A. To t^e bed of -my recoUeflion. he fiiid a oae hiindred pound note. Lord Folh/ionc. ,0,, Do you rtcolltjCl: whether it waa idi the fummcr lime; i^' f^CVii .. *V^ r' ; V-'* -^-.-X-' ' «"i^'^ ( 502 ) A. I cannot lay pofitively, but \ think it was. Mr. Snazi! Ztft-vrc. Q. Do you not cany on bufinefs in pflrrnerlhip with another perfon ? A. There is another perfon in the concern with Mr. Bridgman', but not exadtly a partner; but he knew nothing of the tranJaclion oi'the note- Q. Did y. u in general have the management of the money concerns, or the partner, in the year 1805 ? A,' He had nothing to do with it, he was in the country. [Tne Witneis wasdirc(Sled to wiihdraw. Mr. ALEXANDhlR SHAW was cilled *iri, and the Letter from Lieutenant-colonel Sh.tw to iMrs. ' Clarke, given in evidence yefterday, being fliewn . to.himi. he was examined by the^-C-Oinmittee,. as 'follows : " ■. '■{':' i ■::■ ' -I ^ •..:'': ' Mr.'JVardfe, Q. Do you Icnow Colonel Shaw's band "writing ? — A, I think 1 ought to know it. . .^ • Q. Do you know that to be the hand wriling of Co- lonel Shaw r — A. 1 think I know it to be. ^ . - ^,D.dyou ever fee him write, — A. Lhave., j >• Q. Do you ftate that to be his hand writiag ^ . - - - ^..'i-bciieveitis. / —i-!-: ... i JLerd Henniker. Q. Have you any doubt about it .^ - A. 1 have no doubt about it ; it is \ery like,- and I be- lieve it is. - ^». Did you ever fee Colonel Shaw write .* - .^ . . A. Colonel Shaw is my Son, and we have lived as fa- iher and ion ought to do ; as^ood friends. [The Witnefs was diredled to withdiaw. Mr. CHARLES SHAW was called in, and '. -' examined by the Committee, as follows; • The Chancellor of the Exchequer. Q. Of your own knpT^- ^t}©^' do yott kaow that two hundred pounds was re- mitted ( 503 ) mittcd to Mrs. Clarke on nccount of Colonel Shnw ^ A. No, I do not ; but 1 kno^v tliat xhrt^ hundred- pounds was. '> . U- State at what period that three hundred pounds was remitted ? A. 1 received a letter from Colonel Shaw, mentioning that he wiilied to convey three hundred (founds to his friend, and requefting that I would receive that fum of Mr. Coutts, having lent me r.n order to t-lmt effect, and that 1 would fend it by a careful hand, addrelfed to Mrs. Clarkf, No. Id, Gloucetler Place. 1 recived tiie money irom Mr. Coutts, in confequcnce of the order, and de- livered it myfelf at the door. Q. Wtien was that } A. I unfortunately liave kept no papers or anv letters-; but, in confequence of the fummons of this Houfe, I called at Mr. C:outts'? to-day, and found from their books thai I received it on the pth of May ISOfi ; and I pcrfeftly recolleft that I delivered it that day at Mrs. Clarke's door. Q. Was this a remittance from Colonel Shaw from the Cape.? : ^ A. From Bath ; he was then immediately to leave Bath for Fortfmouth to embark for the Cape j the letter, I perfectly rccoliea:, ftated, that though he had received his A.ppointment through the influence of his friends — -' . Q. Then you harejrot the letter ? A.i unfortunately have it not, for I dcftroyed it foon after he embarked j but I perfe6lly recolle^ pointment of Major Shaw, Lieutenant-Colonel Shaw. The Hrst do'ju mentis a letter from [lieutenant-General Burrard to me, ust the 1 Ith, 1804; it is not dated where fro n, but it was most likely from the Or- deriv-ioom in the Guards. [Colonel Gordon read the letter.] "Dear Sir, ' " Aug. lUh 1804." *' I am so- much emi)loyod on a Board of CloJiing, thit I cannot *' do myself the [jleasjrc" of waiirng upoa you. Tiic enclosed " will. inform yoa of the situation of a fiienii of mine, whom ^ *' 1 wish much to serve. If Col. Clinton is in London, he can , ' *' tell yoy exactly how he stands ; as can Col Loraiiiii. " If you can i)Ut msurthe way of serving hinv, 1 shall be extremely *' otjli^ed to yoj. He has served long, always, abioad, and *' very gallantly, and his Father was a brother captain and friend ** many ye.vrs back, J request you to excu-^e tho liberty I tak« ** and trouble 1 give you, and believe me truly, '* Your most obedient " Lt.Cal. Gordon, 5cc. Sec. Sec.'" HARRY BURRARD." The next doQument is my answer to that letter. " Dear General, " Horse Guards, 16th Augu^t lS04." **>! fear that your wishes in behalf of Major Shaw cannot be com- " plied wilhjH is Royal Highness being of opinio.!, that ha ** must join his regiment boforf; any fu'ther ri;comnieiii.vti.oa **■ in his favour can be aitende I to. (Signed) '* Yours, &c. « M. Gen. Burrard, Scz. Jcc. ^c." " J. VV. GORDON." ' The ' 1^0. XIV. . U u ( 506 ) The next document is Sir Harry Burrard's to me, August the '27th. "My Dear Sir, " Au.sust 27th, 1?04." '* 1 shall be obliged to vou if you will let me know whuiher Clin- ** ton has. spoken to you about Major Shaw ; and if you think *' he may be likely to see the Commander in Chief to-morrow, *' He has found a Major of the 30ih eagerto go to Ceylon, *' bvit he is himself jjreparinj as fast as he car., however dis- *' tressing it is to him. ** 1 am ^rulv yours, . " ' ♦' H. BURRARD." The next is mv answer to that letter. « Dear General, " Horse-Guards, 28th Augu>t 1804/' *' Clinton spoke to me with much warmth about Major Shaw, but " having twice mentioned his name and wislres to the Com- *' mander in Chief, I cannot ag.iin venture to do it. ** I recommended Major Shaw lo speak to his Royal Highness, and *' state his situation* *' Yours -' M. Gen. Burrard, &c. ^"C. &.c. J. VV. GORDON." The next.letter tliat appears upon this subject is from Sir Harry Burrard to me, on the 27th of March 1805. ■Put-by. **^ Private and confidential." *' My dear Sirj " March 27th, 1805." ** Mr friend Sha-we's health is by no means re-established, and lii? *' family still in extreme distress from their recent losses and *' misfortune, i could therefore w ish his leave to be extended ** for two months, and I am sure it would prevent infinite ** distresslo him. If you can manage it for me, 1 shall be ex- ** tremely obliged to you. ** I have heard it -whispered, that it was possible rank could be ob- ** tained by raising men. If it is so, and this could be allowed *' him, it would most materially serve hiai, and do away the " mortification 1 am afraid my want of skill has occasioned ; ** and I should not have to reproach myself at any rate with ** want of success. *' I am afraid his leave will be soon out, and his anxiety will, of •* course, be great. Pray excuse the trouble 1 give yon, and '* be assured that nothing can afford me more pleasure than '' serving yoUy as 1 really am "*' Your obliged humble servant, ♦' HARRY BURRARD." The ( 507 ) Tlie-iicxt is my answer to that letter, dviteJ tlie 2Sth of March. *« Dear General, Horse Guards -8th March 1805 '' ** His Koyal iligliness has much plea ure in coniplyi'ig with your •* request for a prolonjxaliou oi leave of absence for Majnr ** Shaw ; which leave has been extended for two months, fron\ ••the expiration of his present leave, and the fcaine lias beea •' notified to the Adjutant-General. "'At the same time, it is butj.ist to hint to M.jor Shaw, thntjthere *' IS a duty to the service, to which the CoiniHander in Chief, *' however anxious His Royal Highness may be to reheve the ** distresses of individuals, must give attention ; and, il the cir- *' cumsiances of Maior Shaw are such as to preclude hicu from. **join"'ng on so remote a service, he should retire \ipon the ** half-pay until some more favourable opportunity. " Ever Yours, &c. ♦« J.W, GORDON." ** P.S. There is no intention at present on the part of Government *' to raise men for rank in tlie Infantry." " Lt. General Burrard^&c. A:c. ^c^ The next is from General Burrard to me on the lOtli of May following. "C n. i^peak io'Vie." , . *' My Dsiir Sir, " M?.v lOlh 1305." *■* 1 caiino: -r;fikM«jntlyacknowle.dga, in Gerujral Archers name and ** my own, how much wc leei obligation to His Royal High- " ness ; 1 sincerely hope Archer will have opportunity of " evincing his pratitude and zeal. ** Since 1 «;poke to you concerning Major Shaw, he has called upon . " me to inform me that he cannot, conditionally not to pay if *' ha does not proceed to Indian get a pa'^sage secured, aud ihat *' the Capttiins require four hundred pounds. Now, as he is *' led to have some hopes still, that an opportunity may ofF^r *' to promote him, from what His Koyal Highnessso graciou'jly ** said^ he feels a reluciance to sink so lari^e a sum, if there is ** a possibility to itvoid it. If you could, therefore, soon again ** recal him to the Duke, he w»uld abide by whatever was tha ** detcrniinatio \ of His Royal Hightiess. > " Excuse my troublii;g you, and believe me truly *' Y.iur fauhftti and obliged luunble servant, « H-. Col. Gordon." HARRY BURRARD." The next is my answer to that letter. - *• Dear General, " Horse-Guard^ 13ih- Ma\> 1805.^' ** I have laid your letter of the lOth instiint beiore the Commander (, 503 ) ** in Chief, and am dii-cctcd to activiaiiu yoii, that Mis "Roy:' l *' Hichness sees iio i)rf)sj)cci of anv oariy Cj)i)()rtuni»v of c.oiii- 4 ( <( jjlymj: with M.'.ior .Shaw's Avishos ; and that, tb.erttore, it is *' acKisable he thnuld proceed to join his regiment by the ear- "■ iiesl conveyance. •' 1 have, iS.'c. •' Lt. Gen. H' Burrard," d'c. S^c. &c. "J. W. GORDON." The r.ext that I hold in my hand is March 1806, from Sir Harrv Burrard to me. " (Confidential )" " My dear Gordon, '* March ?6, OG." I hope you will panion the anxiety of a sohiier to get pr-Tniotioii ; *' and of lii? fr;end, and the very ancient one of his old i^ather, *' to assist him in it, particularly as he is well assured of his *' ztal and general worth. Under this presumption 1 inclose a ** letter from Major Shaw, with my earnest hopes that should " any thing turn up, in v/hich you can bring his name for- •' ward, that lie r^iay not be forgot'en. 1 enclose it for your private reading, and request at your leisure you will return it. 1 will at any time attend you, to prevent you the tvou- ** ble of writing, or rather ttie time of it, for 1 know the for- **'mer you do not mind. Your messenger knows where *' to find me, as 1 am at this Orderly Room lor two or three ** hours most days. " 1 am truly yours, -with gieat regard, '' HARRY BURKARD" (Indorsed) " Mr. D. 1 shall be glad to speak to Gen. Burrard this eren- " ing if poshibie, if not, about two lo-mo'rrow ." . The inclosed is from Major Shaw to Sir Harry Bur- rard, dated Pevensey Barracks, 19th March I8OG. (Inclosure.) <* My dear Sir, " Pevensey Barracks, 19ih March 1806." . **-! fear that you n>iist think me presuming on your many kind- " nesses in ngain troubling you, and, being without apology, '* 1 must rely entirely on yoi-r goodness In making, how- ** ever, my present request, let me beg that, if attended with ** any circumstai.ces unpleasant to you, that you bestow no *' fhriher consideration, than pardoning the libeity of my hav- *' ing made it. ** I shall premise wiih sisting, that previously to my removal from *' the Ceylon regiment. His Royal Hitihness had been gra- " ciously please.' to promise me promotion, on a favourable *' opportunity oft-.-ring; and on my joining the 40'h regiment, *' I restated my desne of ])urcha.smg, to which 1 now >tand ** noted ( 509 ) " noted by a letrer from Colonel Gordon Havin|i had fnrther ** assurances pivcn to me of His Royal Higiin jss's favourable ** inteniitMi'^, in the adini-is.on of" mv services being now nearly ♦' twenty three years in Hi-; Majesty's Army, that my coiena- " porariea are gener.vUy Colonels or o'd Lieutenant Colonels, ** and that 1 expfrienced th',* mortification of being purchased *' over Wv an officei; from another regiment, and by many years " mv junior i,i the profession ; from tlie-e circumstances, I am *' induced to hojie, that should CoKmel Gordon favour me ♦* bv brinpinc my ca^^e to His Royal Highne■^s's notice, that I *' miptit b^-nefit bv some mark of tavour in the military ar- •' rangements that are expected to take place, h is in thisex- *' pectalion that I venture to trouble you, and I shall feel my- *' self siuc-erely obliged by yourmenti ning to Colonel Gordoa *' (should a desirable opportunity offer) my services, disap- '* pointments, and present hopes, and 1 shall esteem it a par- *' ticular favour his bringing my case at this period to His <* Royal Highnesses remembrance, ^ *' I shall iio longer trespass on your time, but in offering xny beet . *' respects to Mrs. Burrard. i remain with sincert;. gratitude, . *"" ** My dear Sir, " Yours most faithfully, and much obliged "J.SHAW." The next letter isx)ne frotii General Burrard, March 2i9th, 1800. v<»»C-ji- ^:v^r.^; . " C^nvate )" , • • "My dear Sir, '/ "■ ' ^ ' ' **" March t^9lh O^?."**'^' ■ *^Ti) shorten the bn.»i thing more than to say, that he grAtafliUy.u'ill accept, If the ' *' U^pTiiy Barrack Masterly at; the Qape can be obtninedj . *' with the rank of Lieut. Colonel, tmd gn.taer.jin /Aj-ee.week.>.i. " 1 explaujed that; and aUo, that (f it could l>? obtained) ', *• he would be put on half-pav as soon as it could be done. ** His rf quest is to come to London imir.eiliakely, if he-xari' '*^ succeed.' . -?^..' li^ h.u: I •.-. •JL.^^jf.fcU 'io m'^tt. '.'.1'* . , lamirnly .-r.riirrl ** Your, obliged servant,- " Pray return the. letter.", ^ H. .BURJIARD.'%, -■ '"Lt.'Col. Gorclon .<*»'- lV'->> n-'iM-'u. r»;i;j:"-J .. .- " :-y ' !^ If: . I'.l •■' i-.l-. I ■ir. << C. L -——,*• The- Appoiutment,ii no .v .to go on.T' ,,; . t — '_ ~ * ■ J did not return the letter, apd T now have it in tny IVtitid ;' it is a letter from Col6nel Shaw to General Burrard., .•'"'■ . . \. ' (- 510 ) (inciosT.ire.) **lVTy dear Sir, " IVveiisey Eairack«;, 28i]i March, 1806. ** I am just honoured with your letter, and I trust you will bilieve . " ** thai I ffcl, though I shall not rittempt to express my uER dit( not" however cousider tiitt the proper mode of proceed- ing. ( 511 ) iniT. lie tliou^htthc letters? should liavc born ren.', and tlun, ii aiiS' material circuin.->iaiicc liad ariscu oii( cf rhcm, thai Sir H. iiurrard himself" misfit be called to the Bar ami examined — as it \va-, the let- ters were not evidence. Witness asrain called in. Mr. Wardh'. Q. In the iirst letter that you have read, (.'oloael Shaw refers to some promises made him of prc-- motion by His Hoval Hi'_rhness the Commander m Chief: do you know what those promises were ? A. I eaimot state exactly that I do know, but I sup- posed them to have been the usual answers given to offi- cers' ulio make appbeation for proujotion, that their names were noted, and won Id be eonsictered with the names of other offieers of equal pretensions, when future opportunities ofiered. Q. You do not know of any other promise which Ma- jor Shaw had reeeu'ed. — A. ISo, 1 (to not. Q. Is it usual I'or rield officers on the staflf to be put on half-pay ? , . ,■ . y/. When a field ofiieer accepts a staff appointment abroad, a permanent stafi' appointment, it is usual for him to be placed upon the half-pay; it is the general rule of the army: there are exceptions, which I can ex- plain when called. upon. Sir G. IVarrender, Q. State the exceptiomi?. A. 1 he best way for me to state the exceptions would be to read to the Committee a list of iili the permanent staff-situations, and to state all that are upon half-pay and wlio are not, and why. Q. Was the officer "who held the appoiutment before Major Shaw, on half-pay or fuH-pay r A. If 1 recollect right, Ma.jor Shaw was the first per- , son who held it; he was appointed upon the capture of the colony of the Cape of Good Hope. [Colonel Gordon delivered in a list of the staff otfi- cers ou foreign stations.] East Ikdies: The Adjutant General, Ltentenant Colonel Sir \W Kcir, upon Ihe hftll pay :— the Deputy Adjutaut^reucial a Lieii* tenant ( 512 ) tenant Colonel CampbtlU of the 33d regiment; he is not placeii • Mpon the half-pay, because h'-s regiment is unon the station : — Quar- ter nia-^tcr General, Colonel Fden, of the fi4th rejrimeiit; tlie regi- ment i=! Pt^rvin^ H;jon the staibti ; he is no plae. d upon the half-Day ; — the Dejjuty Quarter-master General, Major Johnson, of the 77th Tefrimeii'; that is arr exception; the re.wiirigg; his it pnieni is serving upon the station :— De- puty Quarter- master General. Major Wilson; h s repiment is serving •upon the station. The Capk of Good Hope, I./\ -uiena-it Colonel Sorel, Deputy Adiutant General; on half pav ■. — T)e|)uty Quarter- master General, Lieutenant Colonel Harcourt, on half uayi-^Dtputy Barrack- master General, Lieutenant Colonel Shaw, upon half- pay : ihohe are the only ihrec Staff Officers at the Cape The Island of Mad£Ira; Depv.ty Adjutant General, Lieutenant Colon?! Darling, on half-pay : — Deputy Quar er-ma>ier General, Major Austin ;h-f is. a Cajnain, -with the brevet rank of Major; he is not upon half pay. Jamaica : Deputy Adjutant General, Lieutenant Colonel J-lorsiord ; his regiment is serving ther« wiih him : — Deputy Qur.rter- master.General, Lieutenant Colonel Meyers; his r.egimcnt is serving in ihe'West Indies. -Wf.st Indci-.s : Quarter- ma -t^^r and Barrack- master General, Brigadier General Giedstanrs, on hr.lf jiav : — -Depu'y ^itte, LieotentintColonel Gotdon, on^rhe ha-'f-pny : — The Adiutant General, Brigadie/ General Ramsay ; his re^iinfiu is serving titere: ^-Tiiq Depuiy^ .Lieutenant Colonel Campbell of tJiu 54ih rt-'.rneiit ; his regiment is servn^ therr*. Canada : Adjutant lien- ril, Lieu- tenant Colonel Baynes of the Nova Scotia Fencibles; his rejjin-'.mt is serving there :*^!!)e;vuty Lieutenant Colonel Chab ;t- on half-pAv: — Quarter-master tieueral. Lieutenant Colonel Kempt of ihe^blstrrejii-; Bitm; at is not intended io i.r lial,Ji Abcrcro:iibie in all his cam-- paigns ; he succeedecf, on'tlie death of Sir Ralj>h Abercr.unbie, to be confidential becretarv and Ai'l de-Cain|i to LOri* M itchinson ; he' af.' Irrwards served ^^ilh Sir* jAlm'VToore ;.^ie 4fexiMh^ honour to ^com- mand thejl.,iglu tnfantrvm the bjttie-of Maida ; liCrwa^ honourably Bieutioiitd AW the GeneraPs Di-patch, and contribtited 51s mucK as any. pfncer, -to* the defeat of the enemy on tnat. day ; he wiii be specially. e-jiertip'tecT frbnY tliis Yule : 'Tiie Dej-uty Quarter-rna.st^r 'General is Lieutenant Colonel Pve 1 bep t.) st^te to the' house lis is it near re ' latiMi uf tjUtte^jbUthd is onniK? haif-^ay.^—i — Wo*vaScotia:. ^De- puty Adjutai it-General i Majwrf iBpwser;;'h« !TS'!e»H«p.te(i^;he i5,.tfi|fr scoi of itjiie la^flXijrxi^cU,B(niiyer, _ib«? eUeslCaf)Uiii>(,in -the 6ftth ^egi- irien'tj^and has been ordejretl to. jt^in hi-; rej^inient :. ih^ Depu'v (Quar- ter- rtia'stet^eneyal ik "Lieutewant ColonPl 'i injii g,*pf tTie 1st Cnaras; lie is a Lieutenant in tY\e^<>u.i/rds,' rtut-"a Uegimental'Fidfl C9f!icer»: II I Malta : iha Jieputy Adjutant GeneuJ. l- Lieutenant Colonel Sewellj of the 48th regiment; ins itgii..ent li serving in the 'Medi- terranean : — Dep»ry "Quarter master General, Lieutenant Colonel rhill'ps of the 44th regiment; his regiment is se:vinc in the Medi- terranfan.— — SicjLT : Adjutant General, Major- Gener.il Campbell; a General .Oficer, it is not us^ai to place upon the half-pay : the De- w^i^u.; - puty ( Ji3 ) niity ditto, I.icuteiunt Colo-iel Airey, 8ih f.ol : this o.Tiocr a'su hr^ bpet» sj^eciall}. cxcepicd: i.m' it is not iiilt-ndtd ;o | ui iitni upon ihtf liilf-p.iy: hv h.is ir, eti con (iciiJial Socictaiv ni. I Ai(i-«ic-Ca:iip lo t.-icnerai Fox, ;uid Gjnvral M. ;.iclt in the balti'^ of M.ml.i ; \;as specially inorjt:.):,* d ii. the Ge- iicraTs disjjutch ; ai;d it is not imended to place li.ni upon hah"-pay. S'n' Gcoriy Warrcudcr. Q. Hon' many of tliese ofB- ccib Loldiii^ Rta'.i bituationi:, wiio are Ujiou liali-puy now, were oji iia1t"-pay previous to and at tl.e time they v.cre appointed to those st;if}' situations ? A. SpeuUiui]^ to the best of my knowledge, I believe when they were appoirited to their stafi siuatious, they were^every one, without exception, on full puy. Genera! Fitzpatrick. Q. Was Sir William Keir upon full ? — A. Sir William Keir was not. Q. You have stated that the two other staff officers -at the Cape are Lieutenant-Colonel Sorel and Lieutenant- Colonel Ilarcourt ; were either of tho^e ' ofhcers upon half-pav when they received their appointments? A. IVo, they were not, they were put upon half-yay fince ; the paper. L gave in will state it exactly ; and I do believe, with the exception of Sir William Keir, they were all upon full-pay; there may be one or two ex- ceptions. Q. Does Sir William Keir receive his half-pay? A. That is a financial question that 1 can only ansvuer as matter of i^eneral information; 1 believe he does not, as he lias applied for it, and 1- believe he does oot re- ceive it. - Ml'. Abercromhie. Q. Am I correctin supposing that Colonel Kempt was appointed Quartermaster General in Canada, on the commendation of. Sir James Craig; Colonel Kempt being at that timem Sicily ? A. Yes, he was; Colonel Kempt liad no notion of his appointment until it was intimated to him. Q. Am 1 correct in supposing that Colonel Kerript would have declined that situation, if it had interfered with his situation as Lieutenant-Colonel of the 81st re- giment ? A. I am quite positive of it, for he repeatedly affured B)e so. ( 514 ) Q, Fs the Deputy Quartermaster (icneral in Sicily on full |)av, or does he receive anv other pav tlian tiiat of his stall' situation .- — //, I do not know that he does; i be- lieve that he receives mvrely tht; pay for his statV situaliun,- and will be placed upon the half-pay in addition to tiiar as soon as an opportunity can be I'ound, bwt at preseiit he is ai^grieved by not even havin;^ the half-pay; that is Lieutenant-Colonel Campbell. Lo7'd Folkjione. Q, Have the staff- officers whom you mention as bein^- on half-pay, been on hall-pay ever since they held those staf^' situations ? J. 1 believe I have stated to the House, that to the })est of my recollection tiiey were all ujkui full-pay when tln^y were appointed, and were placed upon half-pay as soon as possible afterwards. Q. Immediately upon their receiving their staff ap- pointments they were placed upon half-pay ; A. As soon as possible afterwards ; the Commander in Chief has it not ia his power to place an officer upon half-pay whenever he pleases, there must be a vacancy on the half-pay establishment. Q, I understood you to say that an officer of the nam.e of Bowy€c in -the West Indies, was oa the fuU-pay, liolding a staff appointrskcnt : what staff appointment does he hold ? • ^ A. I. said that Major Bowyer waa Deputy Adjutant- General in the West Indies, and he is the eldest cap-- ' tain of the 59th re-;^iment,. he has beetj ordered to join his rej^iment, or he will be placed upon the half-pay. Q. What regiment did Colonel Shaw belong to before he received his staff appointment .>■ A. Colonel Shaw exchanged from, one ot two, but I believe it is the 40th regiment. Q. Did General Burratd command a battalion of the guards at that titpe ? A. He commanded the brigade of guards in London. Q. Did you state those documents which you read to be all the documeiUs respecting the appointment of Ma- jor Shaw ? — A. They are all that 1 know of, in my pre- sent recollection. Q. All tliose that are in the office ? A. Upon my word I believe so. Q. Is it customary to appoint an officer to any staff appointment ( 515 ^ ) ?:'>V)Oial*ni:H* or uiiv iwivaiiiai^f'ons s'UKittiun, witiiout iii- (juii)'.);^" of tilt.' olHcLT ccr3niu;i(lii:!| iljc ifj-inifiit to wljom lip bclojjj-, what h;is been ine coiuluct ol" tliat officer? A. That is tiie L''enL*ral mode to ap ly to tiie officer commanding; tiie regiment; but ^lajor Shaw iiu.l /;()t been in the 4(Hh reromarv to aunlv to the Lrcrieral offi'.u r, who is colonel of the re;L^imeiit, in such case? ? yi. rSo, I cannot say that it is-; tiie Colonel of the r-- ^iment,.not bciuir with his re'urraid r A. Genera! Burravd mentions in his letter tiiat he had Sir James Crai<;' for his IViend, and I have endeavoured to bring to my recoUeetlon whetiier . .. ^ .. ,• '. . - .To -tgis^tiei^soning jMr. WniTEnEAD ohjectcd. 'Oo4wT€^.ivjas,not ih^ casV :' Co'lonel-Go'fdMjaJmd T4ijot<.dv^c]aVA any siidli thlr^, 'conV^qaentiy 'there .'5.\vas no necessity':^! the prei-ent question*; it wotild '^ be ( 417 ) be l»cst to begin by askinqj, If the appoiiilinent wa-* not of the usual modef' and then the services c: Colonel Shawe might he inquired into. Mr. Wauule professed himself satisfied with this suggestion; i)utif Colonel M. Shawe had been un- der many ofticers over whom he wa3 at present placed, he then thought the question fair. The. CnANCELLou of the Exchequer said, the only, differeiioe between them was the confounding ot serzice^ and inj'eriority of rartk, ' [The witness was again called in ] Mr.lVardle, Q. Was tfcere any deviation from the ' ordinary. practice of the army in the appoiritm as tnajor in the army. A. August 1807. - 1..: . Q, From what date does .Lieutenaot-CoJonel .Shuw 4ak€ rank as lieutenant«c<»loiMH in the army ? Ao I should think he has^>eeua lienteuant-colonel ra- ther better than three years, I have do docutueut by m^ that will state that accurately. Mr. J. Smith, Q. Do you know that Colonel ?fley- rick Shaw was a great many yearft a commisi^ioned "off- No. XV. X X acT cor in. the East India Company's service, before he oair*e into his I\I;ijesty's reLTolar s>ervrce ? A. 1 do not know it from my own Ivnowled^e, I have h^ard tlie very best characteu of Colonel Shaw, from various officers. Q. Do you know whether he was renaoved tathe half- pay without receivinjj a difference ? A' I believe he was. * \« Q. Is it not a rea^ulation, or at least understood, that wlienever an officer is placed upon half-pay without re- ceiving- a difference, government is in some degree pledi^red to place him upon full pay as soon as a favour- able opportunity offers ? vl. Tiie Commander iii Chief has invariably beeii go- verned by that rule. • Secretary at]V^r4',Ql Do you ♦k^jow whether I took a particular interest in I Jenteuant-Colonel Sorel ?. A, Wi^c«^-> Upon full pay, as,long as lie couVl , with >propriety.^ikt}pt i" tliat situatiwi ? ^ , .,, , /, ; . .j^.,.-i'€^> lEtjrUiply.fjjTf ./;.i^ i . , ' ^■■■..- >•.-;;%•; V J.. >r / ? 15 i^it.-? tTiie Witness'ifvas drrecjted to withdra^-. '. .^ Colonel Wood oBjected to tHe qtn?stioir ;' ifwas within that liije.. of ^examination agiiinst which (he Committee liiiH alreSdy 'Jlecided. He undej-stoocl that no casd' should *be gone into exc^ept'w'l'tere, tlie j;^ulatioi)^,.(Tfnli;? aruiyjiiapi bee;j bux)ktj«^,|j][Ut>/*' If t|uesti:^ii5 ^m<:h •!^$;:jiii^.jjq:MfgJ'e„.to, J^a^ij^(ic(^tj^lier§ 'vvould be no boundaries. To inqoirej into, cas^s of proaiotion, \¥kere»?^e- raies of lire army .had^ot been infringed, wfi^.ht!"WouM Havel-itiio oilier cnscs, ihjuI that immcdiateiy j-indor-tofkiidcr^ion liuti been dis- po^cd of. IMr. J. .Smith etnUui'li^^ object of his cjiiesbon to be to lnrpr,-.c-f; tlio evidence ut" rfi'; \\ irne'ss at ihe l^af_, for whom, howtver,' he felt a hiLrh ie-r)ecr. Tl\e "witness IrLd'sCaieH that! the senlbd leL'nlation^ of the army had iieye^- beca bi"olot object to ihc .qu-^^liun, if it were put with nny view oi' im.pt;aciiin^ uuyiteu* timony grveu at the ^or^.''^ •• ' = v',','» •-"♦/' •-^- ^ftii^^GEORCR WARTrH^'-^)T:n, f did 'not- approve of the- course otbn<«idere'd tHi5-*(Tifi3&tion -as- prOp€*T jl^thfjsxi Nrh'ic'u l?-it(!*Mmeciiater\'^belo{^ IJe^n^put, rellitive' ro'-CJ1?)i ^^^M%Hck^shftw^^^^^• - .-' ■'-'-^- ta.s?<^siqi^, x>f a ikqt.of .'ivhicli it.seeincd^iot wx liuve -be^ni.nwar^,- that CQionc?! Shaw had been a Jieu- tenant-colonei- some yeais betore Major Cogau w«i» ci inajbr.r: ' '' -••- . ! t^M .ti;-. • »": f . -. " • 'VV. •V'lJln-YoirHE bere obs^ved, thnt rhc inqniry corrt ceruing Samuel Ciuter had been stopped, luordeV had becu) broUeu iii upoiT, lie was of opinion that the question should oe ptit. ,, . . .v ' " '•^General Lyi-Tus' L'ecullected. tlic eviucnQC wbicit .^ J * ]\Ir. War41e, ••-^fead ( ^20 ) .id ad been g,i.ven by the witness on a forn>^,, VJS:^'^^ arid'he was cor>v»pced. tbai.it could - jipL. . be :^m- , peached... -He batl not; s.aid (hat ,tbe rule$'ol,ilI>e army were never departed from, but.')afttfg€acfail3'^ rjanc^excepiiaspecial instaaces. .. ::■ .^ «..• ^^.^^ ->• V . . . ;-• '-• \i r:iot:c: : [Xhe^itness-w^sagaia called in.J ■'';^" ■'• * ^ .. > , -■ ': - -y y • : ' *.■«"..-•*#- .i -• - ' ,»...'>• --- J • ' - f » • ■ ShiJ^Sm'ith. ^. Do you know Captain BriiBker, who either ^s, or lately-wus payaiuster of the 5th drau:ooo goBfas r -■• •" *•■ .:.'>•;. '• • • - ■ -""^ :'>u4.jI<;anwot-satj' th^t I -have that p1feasVtFe> '•;''. ''\,.. ,. Q. Do you not know thiit that officer, 'A'hp B i'vefy , mlfitof iaus oflficer, was formerly a prrvate.lft that regi- .aacnt ?: - ■ - ' '^ ' .•* ' ' _ jd^' I have already* «aidithatl have not the pleasure of knowing him at all. j. ''" .:;iQ...Doy6a WnawiMm Clarice? •'-- -'■ *}''':'r V : . ^inAJ i»-lie»«tt 'hfed^he pleasajrc" of sean^.lVffs/tlaViie till I saw her at the Bar of this House two evepipgs^go. ^:t iMrJ :\Gtwgii'^JiihnstQnt. Q. Jn the' ^ries t)f "corres- pondence which you have read between GetiefaV Pur- Tfl?di»ndydur«lf,'kbere is a'letter Sttnj^irnK^ toWrd^the Sath^of'i^Iansh*^ wherein General ■Burrai'd/ iu4bi^'W()St catTJBst manneV, feiK-ws his solicitation on' bt/half bflVIV- jor Hhaw; laiid-a note Hs made uponthdt, desiritig to 'see f jenei-ii ^Bnrrfrt^ that crenin^-, or'eiirly nexttdorditig; did.:pftii fwe OemM-ar Bnrrariin^ conseqiieftce vt thut 'deaird so.'e)rpT€*i»ed ? ' ' ^- ' ' '* • ' " • -'-i-^^'^-^-"— /' ' l?i .'h.thildt it is fnost certain that 1 saw hirlT',' I'oV^hl^ BeKtit;tter t>onftiiifi8 mi answer to somethbig 1 i^u'^t^H^ve ami toUmu;; J^-^-- ^^ J - " • - - -^- ■'■ ^ -'-"'^^^ •^♦rt^i\K>nitb^:««rci*«on did yon suggeStWGeneVaXBni^ tardy that-: this e^)fK>iijtmeiit-of birtriick-cnas'ttT^*^t''th^ Cjufic.tof><;;oodH«if>fe*wMs \'dcil:nt, orHi>)out td b^lVi.^/ ' '/ A. I cannot «t«itefK)sitWef y' that 1 did trotv*Tt!mijk'^lV iirost-]iJ ^ Q. Had you ever any rrmven^tion witli^'thV-CTdnt- xJiitfidtMi/w: tv*5il^ y»poh 't-haf suhrject^afA'd ■h'atl'He'fthc Couimaralef ifn Chr^f 'eYer'expVe«scd':dny,taVrie^'*di^sii'e tolpro«lde.1(lor-iyttfjb^Shaw?- - ^:'--' • - -' ^' L»-..;iJ >^.'9iilki>:iio*:'te5oUcw?t thatr'lW Comttiai^c^ iTr%fii*(*f fjf^pt t'xpre:>t>ed .», >: > ( "321 ) r!Cprrf sstd nny ^Icsire al All, but I certninly mnst hav^ liad «omi>' fomtnnnrcation wrrh liiih,* or [, never couM have '\L*iitur('tl 'uK invseH to Ihive made Jitidj d"])rop6sal to f9»r Il:l^■y..ihII^^aMl;' ' i. •• i ••• •. ; ^ ..- . Q. Did the CommatwLf)r 'in C4ii^'Jbver*j?petik tc^ vou upon tlie subject ot xMajor Shaw, except when you, in tiie couioC of yQiir olJipaLxkit^'y^mBde'Tepreientationa to tlie Conimaruler in Chief respectiuj^ Major Shaw ? . *ic I do.not.re^'oUect llnit, he ever ditl, but I betr^ave to ftate, tlwt it is p^e^».^ny;. n^y recollection a little Vuird, considerinj^ that there are eleven or twelve tbousarid.utft- cers of thearmy,iill.oi\\riiqin^jr ^h.eiri>it;»d«, eiibentror- .respond with or aildrt?s3 one.* • v.-::., : .• t;. . <:* • ">* \ I{Qn,,J^Ir,X.iimbe»Q^T)i\d y.^u ^v^r b^^' -^^ -^^'^» Clarke's sellinj^, or pretending to sell eommiBiiions ttr lifC army, before. Jt bjecumt?,the-isubjetl ,Qf,.dife€»i*jtOriiQithis 'House?' " .':,. jn rr.ir •-.:vc...- ^/. Never, but throygb-thenft^dwiij^'of tb^TJiiwdCons libels ^hat /have be£u, lately, piibh&liet^i agaiik^t^, tl»«'-jaud ,i»4i4-^et Pi^-^o^t'.tjytrtT' inqwiry i.^^t^t v^'fjs^pqaslbje ipf.me^^ ifc«t thwf apu^€SA^i;^4)ractise(i».ahd j;j a >le-^fl*^^oiau^^ltv*^,jusertt\i^du tbe'i\rwii«y .Act^ Jo knposeA.liii^ ttf«k^ Ut :-'..- 1 -l * Qf't^rom what source did you rectiVC^lpNEir'aiUeiltgraoe ofL^the existence. oX.thaae.ahuse^,^^ -».. y . :'T>y hi li .v> » .. j^ 'X rather tbii»k,that the.^iource-was ^Di«^>jl|idiw|..but upon.in^j^uiry I found tijat,the. ^ccottutr waa tr^-uWiaud.CP tracedi it to "Mr. Froome,' an ^iiny b^QlfKr^iWi^i'V^iMlv li^bdea>. 1 ^l^evjC. a^xUtiut^i: iq ParU(iavi;:ut-Jttxt<^'i • ,. ,.'. tfii Xi3 ■( 522 ) '^etitfbr 'Mr. Fvoomo; !\Ti\ Froome told me'tfiaf he bar! r^iceived this money ; I think it vas nearly n'tb on snnd pffliutli for;the fc*ayma^tCTslIijy wf oneof tile bntthVibiis of tlie German Legion : 1 think 1 am speakirif^^now'from reooWection, that- he told 'nie also that he hati oiily rt- ceived a p€r-centa^\ 'fFh^ name '6f Mrs. -Clarke was never meirtidried to yilnffs ^ party'to't?lii«?'or imy other similar transaction ? li/k H-l est certainly not. Mr. Dickenson. Q. Did you ever disclose tothe Dir*vG ^'rt.^orbthfl-'cVix.tfmstance of Mr. Hebden and Mr. ^■■-'■Ai Yes, I did indeed, and to many ofher^eople, and ^&0Vth6>ap*«Fi(iti'6f Lawyers upon it; which opinion I be- iieve,'and all the documents Tipoii it, 1 can, if necessary, iat b«fdTet his I^oiise. -^ ' .' ' -^WQ;nWyra^\TO»H1»«-OtrkVsnn^'er? - ;* • "' * ■• Vi7-"The' Diik<* desired me" to scrutiBtzeirto'tht^ bot- ttioky ^d,tl«titfall-opon^vhoin it mi^t, he would^make ^ttvterttiimpl^of then*!. ■ - i---^'— -■ --'i* -- ^'-'MtL Wairdle*- Q. Since this transaction^ do you know ^hdt Mr. Froonn5^'haBl>ecn employed by Mr; Greenwood? '"i ^4 No, I do not know it. ^ : .- ■^;'Wt. Adam, Qj, You dehveredin a paper'fram Messrs. Greenwood and Cox, relative to the exchange between iwut. Colonel Knight and Lieut. Colonel Brooke, some of which you stated to have been written fn the original 411 pencil; how did that happen.*^ >. . .Jii^t A. As this papie'r is printed, it is incompr^henMble al- • *inc»t tt> Vn'e ; '^irirert this paper was laid before "the Com- manderin-Cnief,' I received his pleasure tlpou'Tt, Jmd 1 '"• tearkerriipcrti h'tHis pencil" remark ♦' C X." (CploRcl • '^Lorairo^) "cannot he acct^ed tor His Rttyat Hrghne^s 'hvtiuirits ^ei^'tnadis as^d ifie-serviccs of ■ iP^a Lieuteuant ( 523 ) -.. *l-'ieuJLo«aut. Ooloncl Hrookf, on wliosr nrcount it vras tltrit ; .. t.tic eKcJianu^r w;is not acced'd to. 'Vie r<'sult oi" t"^e^r, iuqmne> w;is .sucii as to infliu'c me to Iriv llie papers ho- Coi^ the CouuiiiMidcr in C!)i«:i'a^Min ; and this bccoiid [ieri- ifil. reixiark- is lli'.' r(ii>ult.ot" tljc. bccoiid fLpicstJutalioii I liiade to tlie.ConiaiaiidLT in CliiL'f. _ , :.. Q. Is it. usual: to make your remarks in pencil ? _ A. Saujetimes in ]iencil, sonictiRiLS in ink. j\lr. Jl'hilOrcid. Q. A\ ere \ ou actjuaiutcd witli ]\fr. Frooiac, or knew any tliinL'- of h\> biluatuon in lii'e previ- ous to. the interview you iu;d vvuIl hun on tiie subject of ihjs coinnii>vMon .^ yl. I knew him as a reputed Armv Broker to a trrcat . extent, and one of a descriiuion of persons; with -whom I dechired .npen war tiie raoment I euine to the Cotnirajidcr in Chief. ... . . , Q. Ju consequence of the transaction stated by vou, .were any stej)R taken, to prevent his t^a^l^actiil<^...thut a«i;ency hasiness for the army? ... - ; A. I do uot understand that he €v-er wa$ ,aut]iorized to transact busine.^s for lhearm\, but he transacted^it in -. spjte of every tinaij 1 could do; he wa:s an arin}i, brisker, not an a^ent. , , , . . ; ,• j , y./^ The CimnccUuu of the Kxdteqiur. .,Q. Was it not in conscfjuencc of intbrmatloii whicf) you obtained upon . , this subject, tiiat tho«;e circular letters were w-ritte-u,< and the clause in the Mutiny act submitted to Parliament.'* A. Tiitt circular letter was --written in consequence of the informaiiou J had obtained . prior ta the fact »wiTli which I have now ac({uainted tne House; the clause in ,v,the Mutiny Act was brought into tbis House su^equ en t , ..to that, and because I found that I had no recire:>s;j l)ir. IVardlc, Q. Was tliere ever ^luy tntry iiiafle of ^ . Colonel Kniiiht's exchange iiot bein«^ ai)proV;ed t>y thti "Commander in C-hief? .,.,.. .. i, . , , . . ^, ,^ /i. Certainly there was, anc} scut either , to rColonel •Kui^htor Colonel Brouke; I had tire letteir w) tuy^^nd tlie iirst time 1 ^;4ve evideuce bjefore. th{? Houi>^^,^fj, » ■Q. Throut^h what recommendation in- yo\ji^«pi^^ dkl . Mr. Samuel Carter rec-ciye' bis , KnsigQcy iiw^ti^^. jiOtU ■ A. Li^utenuat Sttttop.of thcKaval Arjfi^|j^^4^^^^)A ( 524 ) : ., •• -'-•••••'.-' • *■- • .«. EoTal Lnborator}-, Woolwjc;., • ^-'^ "■• ■"''•' '••'' " '■• ' ** Deccinber 7th,,iyui/V,.. , '** J^taf At. please .Yolir'Rcval Higlmes', " 1 he kindiiCNS thai Your'Hi^lmesi. has at alt time'* mos't tfraciousrly ** be=.tn\vc?(\ on nie, emboldens xm to address you in behalf of *' an orphan lad, neatly >.ixtefri vears of ^ge, of then.inie of ** Samuo! Carter (whose father lost his.Jife it\tl»e iervke, and ** S^hoYn 1 lir.te hroiight uii aud c.ducatc^l,) ui Iwipei (hat Your ■** Highness vrill be graciously pleased to a^jpoiat him to ati "■" Fnsigiiry ; a favour that I should nor jire^iune to a=;k hut , *' on live score of my ']oi:g st-rvice .uid sufFt-rings in tii-J Mai • -t'jesty's service; whioii 1 lujie uiid humbly tru>i yotir Roval ■ **-Hi^'hncs4 wul lake into your firacious consideraiioa, wiw* ,. .*-V«4»j with at! due submission and rcsi)ec:, "•^'' ' *• Your Royal .Hij;hnes-.s ** niost fauhful and obedienk, . - *•' humble serranf, "illUs SUTTON, 1 i:^.Lc'^ :,:,-.: :::"i.::. :. >" " LiCvut Ri^i^Ml-Aniildry." (Indorsed.) TriTr >>'' i- ".-.:--.-.-■' -> - **,Lt. CoLiA';^--*' Fj(>ni.5ifesC4>r^irciinWaiiee<, it-i«.rv(^ i^he ** C^MIimanfler "m.Uh'efs j)o\v''.'r lo r.t'commi,*udajjy pcrsan/or it, o**hv: **^niksnjn*^'bt>t The perjoii" mentioned will bt; n^^tedto br;pruvidc4 but '*-«te fAturfroVpwrTmmv'.'-'i- — ' ' .::^'-,---- ■•'■J. C;" '■."""/ ' ' ' - c^- - - - ■■ -:- ■ --• y-^rT '^JT -rju i ^ • _^ - X^ ©ft V<>ii *^ ^-.•- <>».iiok>nt;| C.iijJtwPi i'». tu^icnowltrdgetho honotirbf his'iiobrof i* ti»e '-.'l;>Uiu>t -aiid bvg^ to ixpTc>s how gralejuUy hf i>eefc» ttK£ " appointliieTil ITis koxal Ili-j-hness the Conimaniler iaGbjei^ 'V hneiainton:,.Ac^s5t£"-' : ;. , ....... : ■-: ."-^ •--• T!rhe'->appaintiirentaraust have- taken pHct^ t^cfc^r thereabouts. .;.;:. *-ts:.,, . iQ.i l>o.:you JcnoWi whether Lieutenant ColaneV Sutfe>n is dead? .^^Cel ■:.■ \-^.h'. ^ :■ :^./.'.. ■ '- ■' '"''f''^'' '•^w'VtiU\i'\oC)ked}\nto those papers, T did not-^lyiKJw. that^siioiiainyanjexiMed jl ^»Uve- heard- that he-i^-deiad. '' '^y^^hsnerAi l>D/>ttr.:^*Q.' Ai?e noi eani^idates -for 'rEnsigt^-s cies frequently .Ofr'^His Kwal Higlwess's list for two OT* three \ ears birf«rre'thejt cairt)e appointed? "- - " ^ ^•^ that depends upon the penod ; ut the period of 1801, .( :525 ) i>^OI, tl»(? rotliiction of the army, and tlie perlrHl ofpeacf:, o^t^Mras'a'byolutely iuipossible to appoint hiTii, as the an- swer states'; the answer is it* substunce upon thebcnly ot' j .J- . ■ . -■ ^ . , ... •; f>r ♦.•:.» ''Sir, • ' ■' ««ifo7sd-nua'iV;'A*'bci..lB01 " l.r«(K.i hnvtf Yecwrtedthe Commander in Chi»Ts cooiiBaiuh to ac- :;•../ ? ♦'quaint yDU»iii ansvrerio your letter ^fycste'^day'* date, that nx- ■ : *' from jiresent circurnstances it is ^)0{ in {.\ie CqmmiMdcT in :■;' •-'*• Chiefs power to recomineiid any pc S >t\ for a comnu'sion ; ^ ''■' •■ ^* but His Royal IlighneM Jia's directed Mr. Saniutl Carter's ;. ,• •■. It nanie to be notcd^ to beprovidc'd for at a futr.re opportunity. ■^.w •i ....r ... < ■ *: :■ ••"I am', I dar^. say there 2^^ a hundred .wiion^be Duke'a boots, at this moment, or. two* \ . ^ j - ; ./. Q. Is there any subs^u^nt -liecoipBU^iMiation. pf. Mr. Carter ? ^-^..liiave no other-document whatever on the-aubject. • Q. "When a recommendatioii is once in, is it necessary £riF a- subsequent recommendatttiu to, ^ come when that candidate is noted lipf^a tli^'list* ? ''. *.r,:lr' .-t i.Z- <^: -' . A^ Tiie, usual -^r^tice. is, when a person sends in a Mernoruil, he follows it up by himiieif and hii> friends rei>eat«»dly, and commonh' in person. , XdiTd, FolkstQTic. Q,*,U9.y.o}\ \sXiov the. date of. 3lr* Carter^s commifcsion .^ . /i:-. :"r -. rl- ,A' 1 cannot say tliat I know the'date, bnt.it inuSt h%ve been between the J7th and 21st of IMarch 1804. \i^i::^L -. ^Q,iJtt,>tbe affiiii of ; |he „^t:^ch«n|;c betwtjua: C^loliel !BrooJ;^^;indjCo[onel ^niglttf had.cot CoUiocl rjiai^i^i Brei^lously mad*^ an -a^jilication4« be -allowed id cx-chu«ge with CoUn el Fley dclJx^-T^-v-i,^ V^3 Jit; Imd . v . ' .: :* :.• pt- ; ttr^ , Q, NVas that objtjqtediioit^i^cX'e^ii^waR; tim,. ^v,,^. V- i ( 526 ) Q. Are the doctiments \ipon tliat subject now in iL^. ofHce ?-^.i. I rather think tiicy/iiie. ,. Q. Did you ever hear of a person of llie name. of Hec- tor Stray, au EasU'U ill ill g 54 lb Rejjiment of Foot? . A. I'o the be>t of my recollccllou, 1 never lietiraliis naiiui ineutMDiied bttCore. '. ■ Q. Have you \\'n\\ you any me^ins ofs ascertaining Vv'htther. there is «och a person ?" r.'-r.- -^ A.- { h^ve not Tfr'ith roe, but 1 can ascertain it by eleven o'clock tOrinoTrow tnormng. ' .Q. Yoyk staXedwDQ a former examination, tliat vnu had ire(juentry been. iti'tltkC \West Indus; %vere you not born iu.'the West Indies? A. I was not, 1 havclhe hombnr of being a Welshman. ISlr. Alderman Combe. Q. To yotir kribvVledcre, did TNIr. Hebden,,who received the one thousand pound!*, ^'or the paymaatefShip," ever obtain thnt pflyttiiit^riibip^^ * , .._, Jppbfnttn^^f. ^^ r^4. I can prodoce them f. if -tmf gl^jr'*nle'gi^f'safi¥i faction ' ifn^^^^bamitt^^^ ilf da the' itie' fet)h(^m' to^gg iniD them. .ov.? j^ tJc-^-'ix* i^-J uu -i>r*o.a « c-^m^ tary-^. ., „.. - Q. Ha^ tK^ei>i^majif}Gf itiXhi'^r a-nf J^ved''b\"%e';^^ci'e- ^ jO. •Jt)ees;'fhcnre£^tn^bbfK'^i^^^ (heJ>a5^nlat,teP6n Vll %cai* oris ori g-iKate' 'br^Hh"~f he Colone<*oT't|)p'' reglin ent^ (Hr: doe» tlie S.e^crelafv at .Wrtf^ apj^oiiitr' *•''■.' '"^•'t -^'^'- . ^. .1 undlT^anfl'-t^e f)V:if^tW*T?>'' bo7 t'tja"^ tbe-reH)m- mVndA'tion is m ith tire Colonel of the rciriment, aikl Jt ( ^27 ) -I. it U.salimittiil to \\\e Secrt'tary at ^^'il^, ^slio-sc'tluty il i> to t;ik«' i;irii tliat tlic seciu itits are ^ootl. 31 1. IJiikoisun. Q. ^Vho was tlie Colond ^v]l() i« - cominciuUd the* payniasler, in tlie caj^e. ot Ht'bdtu, to the juiyinastf rslnj). A. 1 really do not know who tlje Colonel oCthe batta- lion was; ; it ot" course came throu;4:h the head ot" the Ger- man lei:ion, the Dvike ot" C'ambridt^e. Q. ^^ 1)0 ^vus the Secretary at War at.tliat time ? A. I rather thiuk it was General Frtzpatriclc', f•^yill not be quite sun*. Q. lb there not an express rej^uiation, that paymaster- ships cannot be sold : ' A' I understand it to-be so decidedhi. • •-' • Q. Do you happen personally "to know Lri^utenant Carter.' ♦ ' ^i-*.:-- t. ■■.:.••.' A» No I do not, to my kntwled^je'^rTt^ter sav^ him. Q. Do you know from •anycorrespoiKience that, fil- th oui^h he was, as^ was expressed, \iponhis Tt^cominen- dation, a poor orphan, he had had-asufheient education to quality him for ^li etisit^iry, beinj^ tHe^oti of «-6ol- ''^lK) was killed in the service ? " "' '»"i» c i(4.*U^til 4iis namoint^fthe pa\-mtistersr '*' ' A. 1 have alrea<^y stated, that the colonel ot'^the re- •piunent recommends the paymaster, the Secretary at War approves of the sureties, -and \\\ tlmt sVrape they come transmitted to the Commander iry Chief, «vho lays them as a matter of course before the Kintr, -* " ' iJ. In what vear did the transaction vou Iwive Alltided to, -Kkitive to Mr. HebdeUjtake iflace ? - '' .»-.•-«' A. I^eaUy do-not.kttow, but this I kr»ew,' t^ntit^OTis in consequence of the transaction that I wjis indiict^'^b ^peak to the Secretary ut War to insert, u »clwu3e iu the Mutiny Act,. • ^' -. .it....; >.^ Q. Do you not recollect whether theitran^art4oft-did •HOt take place belbre tt^e appoirrtnrent ot" General Fitz- patrick as Secretary at war ; whether that transaction couid-ha\e ever come' utnier 4ms Got'niz'mce? ■ * t;v .. • ^A. I really. -cantiot take .upon .me to. state tlw ^apt date, it must have been there or thereabouts, 1 capnot bpeak to the exact period. [The ( 628 ) Q. ^kannoi you ascertain, by r«^ference to your papers, t^hether it was before the month of F .; ..^. General Fitzpatrick. Q. Upon what ground do you say tbat the recommendation of tlie commanding ofiicer of a regiment, for the paymaster, is received as a matter of course at the War-Office ? A, X acB called upou to answer a t^uestion tbat in oo shape belongs to the office wiiich I supermteod, but ^ TiVattt^r of general information I upderstaiid,>that when the Colonel of a regiment recomniends a Payioaster-t^ tlie Secretary at War,, if the Secretary at ^\ a r sees no objection to such recommendation, and his securvti^ib atf good, then it is a matter of course that he recomineads* Cohnel Uarry. Q. In case the Secretary at W'ar should disapprove of the securities, what is then the .pro^- CCSS? ; J A' I beg to repeat that I am answering questions in no way connected with my office, but ai^iatter of gene- nU information I can state, the Secretary at AVar would then return it. Q. W ould not the Colonel then have another recom- zseDdatiou which might meet with approval? ^ Certainly. - .' i ^The witness wag directed to withdraw* Lord G. L. Gower now rose to order. The wit- ness, agreeably to the mode pursued by the Coui* mittee, wu« bound to answer to maUers only within bis ( 5^9 ) h'isown knowledge. The u'itncss had declared that he TOd- no knowledge -of th^C; ptjXJnU to w.hkl^he (] ues tl oVof -' i'h e H o n ouraW e . Mt?n» ber jl \\:uidy, and his'lprdsh'ip^tliought thereibrc^ thaCihe question vva not a proper one; '^'-~. ■''•,'• i<^ .,... » » • Colonel BaTxRY state"(:r,'Ttt">at the point Vhlgh 'l^e wisbe4r^,P ascertain ^y^^^s question was, ihat the recommendation origTnated with the Colonery.,^nd l!iat the Secretary at War had only a negative upon, it, buit tjiat in case such negative were exercised^ the' rigbti'XDF recommendation would stilb reside .in th« Calonei.^>. ^ '■•■:. a * Lord G. L. Gower remarked, that it was'som«- • whatextraordinar)^to put. questions respecting the practice at the iSecretary at' War*s Office to a wit» neBS who stated himself to. be utiacqualnted' Withft,' whilst^h^re were three or four ^einbery 'in' tb^ HbhiS^' >5vht> bad filled the Office oS'. SecreiafV; at WaK^^ V ........w . , -"■''/■.■' ' ■"•■':., ^:-* V General Lo ptu s . " As it had fallen to my ]6pl ' as',havii(ig the c'oiTinTaiid of a regiment, to appoini a ' Pfytojast^r, 1 can give information trt'th^ Commit^e©. ufj^H .4hc subject. It behoves Colonels to-be pattU cttiai)ly^^cjd[its leral ijrenerai ivoin'ON ooservea^ mat ■ ine€«»i€Hf>j€ had nothing fo do with the chafg^eS against lb e^l^ No, XV. * Yv -^'-^ Gen( ♦' ** .^ \: t\^l J>,. .. '• '^i. ( 530 ) General FiTZPATRicK stated, that in case of a native jregiraent,' the Secretary at War wasboiihd to forward the recommendation of a Colonel as a mat- ter of course ; bat that, as it had been thought. ejt- pedlent to provide more checks, the Secretary at War was not obliged to accept the recomniendations of the Colonels as a matter of course. In tbe short time that he had held that office, it had occurred that he was sometimes under the necessity of refusing such recommendations. , [The Witness'was. then called in, and no Gentle- man having any further questions to put to him, he. was xwdered to withdraw.] The Chancellor of the, ExciiEauEii s^ld, that he had the witnesscalled for the:purpose_ of epi- amlnrngirftoaclupg some facts already in evidence, itfter the Honourable Gentleman should bave closed his case. He had moved that Mrs. Clarke shoiild also.attend for a similar purpose with other witnesses; but if the Honourable Member wishe^e, or in any man- ner whatever, more than the sum of three thousand one hundred and fifty pounds^ being "^he jSrice fimVed and fixed by his Majesty's regula- tioniytls ihe'full val'rtc of fhe said Commission. "I have the honour to be, **^ir, Your most obedient humble Servant; " Officer Commanding 3d or^, ** Wkichcote Turner, - ^';* King's Own Ite^.' of Drag," - - . * - " Capt.-' : ■: : ttr^Y^ /ii ••; . >.' *' ♦'^Cariterbury, 26 August, iSo^r eC**lbtgy«uPwrUl'.bfe pleased to obtaiatcr me his'Majesiy's permission ,.to parc'iiase the'Troop, vacant in tiie 3d or' King's Own Regiment of "DragxjibnS, Yvlcfe)' Turner, ^fio retires- 5 the Senior Lieutenants naving "declined purchasing. *' In case his Majesty shall be graciously pleased to permit the same, '*' I do -declare and certify, upon the word and honour of an Officer and a Gentleman, that 1 will not, now or at any lutrre time, give by any means or iu any shape whatever, directly or indirectly, any more than the sum of three thousand one hundred and fifty pounds being the price limited and fixed by bis Majesty's regulation, as the fuU value of the said (^omirflssion. • *' lliavethehonour to Ue, Sir, < " Your most obedient and most humble Servant, :*»To-tb€ Commanding Officer, '"' R. Sittcell,- 3d or King's O. Reg. of Drag:" •' Lieuu 3 Drag^." "I be^g leave to recommend the above, and I verily believe th-i esta- -Hii^hed regrnJation in regard to i)rice W intended to be strictly complied with, and Uiai no clandestine bargain subsists between the parties con- cerned. ** TF. Cci:^ijrigh!, Lt. General." y V 2 Zffrd ( 532 ) Lord Folksione. Q. What is the rjieaning of ihatjtnark "Put by?" A. Put by for the present until'furthtir..inquici/&s;wer€ made ; -the correspondence will explain it. ' . -i . . "Sir, >' Portma'aStreet, s-Sept. jiJoS." ** I think }'our Royal Higfuiess will readily comply with ihefollowinif trifling iequet)t I take the liberty of making, it is, not to accept the resignation cf Major Turner of the 3rd or Kinji's owu Uragoonsy in /"avour ol'Lieiit. Sicweil, tiU Man.',. He lias bt'ha\«d wiili unUudnesj towards a Lady who merited ,dirfe rem treatment j- ar.d.ii i.syjiniporiflfjce to her to know where to find hitn for these i^x inojiths : and if he quiis tiie Regiment he means to i^tciete fiim^e'f froa. Ikt. Besides, it is not 4juirc iionourable for an officer to wish to leave t1:e Army wliilehis Regi- ment Is. under orders for cmbarkatir.n. Your Uo\-ctl HigiHiess will Therefore perceive lie dots not merit mcltigence. Tiie General knows ail ab'-at it^ and can corroborate what J'l-ay, ifneceliary. " Major Tnrr.er depejids on Col. Gordon to expedite Jiis resignation 5 I depend or. Your Royal liii.'hnt's.s to p.««jver,j U^s obtaining it for some inon:hs'. i Huiter my^tif suciia triiiing and just request yea wiii not 'tfuse. - .. r,;n. ^ •. ' " . ,.ov/)i:"-}f - . ^ " C;Jb/ ; \,rt. .. . "Ihave, &c. '■■-,,■ -^ " Place this'l!;etter *« Lucy SinjclcUr Sutherland^' ■. witl) Major Turner's . -,' • papers." .• • " " Duir Colonel, « Burley, 14th Sep. i?o8." ** In rc>plv to your inquiries respecting the scrape into which it ap- pears that Captain burner cf my Regiment has got with sorne-woman of moderaie repuiCv I liave to lay, that 4 am entirely; ignorant of eirery tiiine which relates to this matter; bui, f?;r your sati&faciioa, wiH ett- deavour tojniorm myself of particulars, whicli, whep obtained^, ihali J&fi transmiited to you. - . ^ ■; Yours, &c. , .. " Li. Colonel Gordon, &c, &c. S:c." JV. Car iu; right.'* ■ « M. D." / ' V '.-.• .u :-.;.. ♦' Privat^v" • • ^ •. . . ^ U:.- «P*it by;" ... ..... r.: '' Private. /»..!.. ;.. . *• Lit ar Colonel, " Aynho, :2jdScpt. 1808 " *' I truft that the tollf-wiii^ Extract of a Letier from Lt. Col. Mundy will do away any unfavourable iniprciiion that may Jiavc. been taken^ to the prejudice of Major Turner, of the Regiment under my cojnmaiid ; and that the bullncss of hu resignation may, inconsequence, ■ be aliojved to go forward without, furlher^delay, . _ ,. .' .>-',^.,. " I remain, &c. " L\ Col. Gordon," See. S:c. Sec. ' JV. Cnriirrlght, Lt. Gen." ** Extract. ( 533 ) " Extr.-u:t. " ^11 uaojie infiaiice have I over had occasion to be dissatisfied with the conduct of Major Turri'T liiicc hetias be'-n in the King's own Dra- goons : on (he contrary, I finve always found hini to be a pcrFecily gen- tlenirfiUV,^ honourahle m;in. I b^heve he hsis, unfortunately for his own peace of mind, fornud a connection vrith an aritul wom.ui, who has brought him to mu Ml trouble; but I conceive this is a circumsianc*^ whicli can on no account warranl the putting any obstacle to his views of retiring-." • ■ - i • " C T." . '♦PiUby." "Private." • "Canterbury, Friday, ♦' Dear Sir,. 2^rd Sept. 18- 8.'' " take ;m> steps injurious lo'his Rovr.: Hi -hness the Com- mander ia Chief 's conduct. I requeityou wiUdo me the honoar to ac- ^ y S knowledge ( 534 ) knowledge the receipt of this, and your answer will regulate my future proceedings. '* l have^ &c. J ** Wkichcote Turner^ '* late of the 3rd or King's own Dragoons, *♦ To Colonel Gordon, iS;e." *' and Major in the Army." *' Sir, « Horse Guards, 8th Nov, 1808." *^ 1 have to acknowledge your letter of yesterday, which I have not failed to lay before the Commander in Chief; and 1 am commanded to acquaint you, thai on a complaint being made al,'ainst you by a Mrs. Sutherland, in a letter, of which lije enclosed is an extract, His Royal Highness felt it his duty to cause inquiry to be made into the circum- stances of tiie case, before any decision could be given upon your request to retire trum the Service. ** The result of that inquiry being honourable to your character, as appears from the encl(h;ed «orrfspoi)dence from the Colonel of your Regiment, the Commanfier in Chief had no further difficulty in sub. mining your resignauun to His xMnjesiy, and which was accordingly done in due course. " Upon the subject of retaining your rank in the Army, I have to -communicate loyou, that the Commander in Chuf iias it not in liis power to meet your wishes, the request being cuntrary to the rulesof the Service, and has not iii any similar instance been acdeded to since the Duke asi.uM:ed the Command of the Army. V W. Turner^ i::>q. Ipswich." " 1 have, &c. J. W. Gordon. ** Sir, ..- " Bury St. Edmund's, 15 Dec. i8o3. ** I am preparing to liv before the public, a s:aiemcnt of His Royal ■ Highness the Duke of York's conduct toward.-^ me. " I begleave to assure you, 1 shall make use of your name as seldom as poflible, and that with the utraoft delicacy. Mrs. Sinclair Suther- land has ofienxl to join me in a publication against His Royal Higbnes-s the Duke of York, whxich I positively declined. When 1 taxed Mrs. b. S. with having taken steps injurious to my retirement from the Ser- vice, having traced herietterinto His Royal Highness the Duke of York's bfiice, Mrs. S. S. stoutly denied havmg exerted herself ui impeding my resignation. Mrs. S. S. acknowledged she had written to His Royal Hig!'!nesed to you a* Ipswich." «* W. Turner, Esq. Bury S:. Edmunds." Mr. Wardlc. Q. Do you know Mrs. Sutherland ? A. Until I saw her name to that letter, I never recol- lect having lieard of it before, and 1 never saw her in my life. Q. Do you know whether Mrs. Sinclair and Mrs. Sutherland are the same person ? A. 1 have understood that they were so, Q. You stated in your examination on a former night, that anyinterference of the Duke of York, the C')mmander in Chief, with respect to exchanges, would be extremely futile ; do you make the observation as to any interfej-ence of the Duke of York witli respect to resignations ? A. I beg pardon, but with great deference, I never said any such thing -, 1 will state what I did say, and explain if necgsssary. [The following Extra(!il was read from the printed Minutes, page 29-] *' Q. In any conversation that you have had upon the ' ' *• subject of this exchange with the Comma nder in " Chief, do you recollect a wish being expressed *' that the conclusion of the exchange might be ex- *' pedied \ — A. No, certainly not, the expression ** of such a wish would have been very futile, for *' it would not have expedited the exchan£re one ** half instant} it would have gone on in the usual ^.* ■_• • *' course." Q. Do you mean, that any application on the f art of the Commander in Chief would have been more fntile in regard ( 530 ) regard to the expediiing^of that exchange than anv other ? ^i. There appears to be some misconception in this, which I will endeavour to explain : on reference to my former examination, it will be seen that the papers were Jaid before the King but once a week, and that after the ('omnnnder in Chief's pleasure had been finally obtained . upon the exchange or upon any thing, then the expression of his wish to I'unhcr that, would not have furthered it one-half instant, it would have gone with the King's pa- pers that week : that was what I meant to say, and 1 hope I did^ny it. Q. Then the futility to which you allude, only refers to the time alter the Commander in Chief's pleasure has been taken ? A. Most c.'Ttai.ily ; that is, if the Commander in Chief's pleasure is taken on Wednesday, and that it is the due course to send in the papers to the King on Friday or Sa- turday^ the Commander in Chiefs desire to me to expe- dite would not cause that i)a:)er to be sent in to the Kin"^ on Thursday ; that is what 1 mean. Q. Then any wi^h expressed by the Commander in Chief, to expedite an exchange previ«.>us to that period, might have the effect of cxued.ting that exchange, might it ? Ao 1 really can only answer that as I have alreiKJy an- swered before ; that when I lay -a paper before the Com- mander in Ciiief :and receive his pleasure.upon that paper, with him it is tin.il, and it goes before the King in the due course j I mean to say again, tiiat the C-ommander in C'hicf desir'ng me to send iw that pa;oer would not ex}>e"- d;te it' it would not go separate, it wou.d go with theotlier papersi. ^ ...... Q. Do ynu mean, that if an exchange Is in suspence In the Office, an exj;ressi )n used by the Commander in Chief, of a wish to expedite tliattcxchange, would have no eif^ct whatever ? A. O lio, I do not mean that i' it most andoubtedly W(juld. • Irord Fjlhio)ie..,Q,. Have you ever known any other in- sta.ice of this sort of interference like that of Mrs. Suther- land,? ^ . ..) A._ I cannot bring sych to my recollection, but I caja ;..-... - say. ;( 537 ) 5.1V, that it that Iclici- had b-jen anonymo-J.s, flic W«ry same course woakl iiavo been •aciv)ptcc].- Q. Had yon any convepiiation with the Comiiiatiief in Chief respcciinj^ that letter ? . J. I do not ihiiik I liad,, farther than ihfs; I think it will be found, on reference' to tlie papers, tiiat tfie re*- signation is daied the sanie-dfiy with Mr.-. Saih:rlr.nd's letter, in which case it is pEobaliie that 1 swbrr.itied it to the Comniander in Chief at the vi.ry aunifc period xhat he opened the letter; I perJecitly recollect the Curn:-;i.anxier in Chief putting the letter iiato my . hai>do, and desii-ing me to enquire into it. - • . .- Q. Do you mean, that the resignation is dated the same day tiiat the letter is dated r — A. 1 beiieve so. [It appeared qp inspe.pt'ion» that thelctters of Messrs. Cox and Greenwood, and of Mrs. ' .'Sutherland, vvere^bpxh dated February ^,] "Q.'When was the resignation forwarded to Major Turner ? . . _ - . ^ . •; A. As it is dated on the 5th, and fromlhe Agents Of- fice, it is mo&t probable..! received it on that day, and most probably laid it before the Commander in Chief, in my usiaal course, the next day at. furthest. , .--- :.j Q. When was the resignation accepted ? '; . A. That is also dated. in. red in ink ui'on the back ; it \yas approved by Uie i^ing on.the 23d of the same month ; it came in on the 5ih. Q. Did the Duke oi; York state.to you that he knew Mrs. Sutherland ? — .<..Nn, he did jiot. ^Q. Nothing about her,? -rrJ. Nothing whate^-er. ■. . rTlie!\iS^tness was-directed to withdraw, .Mr. WILLIAM KICHjOLLS \^' as. called in, und examined by the Committee,,as follows: • ■ . • , ■ ' ' ■ ■ The Chancellor, cf the Exchequer,- -^Q.. Do you live at Ilarapstead ? — .•/. Yes. Q,. Did Mr^. Clarke live at. your house at Hainpstead, at- any time, as a lodsrer r — ./. \ c.-. ■'■ ^ Q. What '( 538 ) v-*^. What timedid she come r-^'yi. 16 October. Q. What year?— J. I8O7. • " . C How long did she stay there ? A. Till the 25th June following, or thereabouts. ' Q. ^^ hen she came there, did she represent herself aj •a married woman or a;? a widow ? — A. As a widow. Q. Did she at any time during her continuance' there represent herstlf in another character }—A. Yes. Q. Upon -what occasion ? • ! ■ ■A, I understood that she wasmarrled to IMr. DoW!er. ' \Q. How did you -understand that ? — A, Sbe'told'mc'so. Q.. Did Mr. Dowler come to her there ? — -A. "Yts. 'Q. "Was it upon the occasion of his coming to'her, that she represented herscir to be his wife ? — A. Yes. Q. Did she give any reason for calling herself by the name ot Clflrke, tvhll^ she represented herself as married 'to^r.'Dowifer^ " •,""'' '■'' r ' " ]A, She-stafed4i^rf*^on'^'tS'^p, t^t-if theDuke of York knew that she was married, be would send Mr. XkMer^bi^ffd. • -■- - • .. Q. Was Mr. Dowler there frequently during her'^tajri • J^.-Y^s, reTyfrequeritly. •LofdF&lkstom. Q. Tou have said that Mrr. ClarTcere- -^reS\^n ted herself -as ^ widow ; 'in \vhtit'Avity' did' she repre- sent herself, did 'she tell you sheVas a!w:do"Or ? .::''.' "'" A: Yes, that her husband wasdeaBthee years. Q". "When did she tell you that? - ■ ^-: ' t '" ^ " " . A. Some time after ?he was in the hous-C j" rterhaps two montks. j - Q, When d id-she come hito your bouse iirst'? A. In October,- the latter end of October, ■ Q. Wiien did ^he tellyou she was rrrarried (o ""^Ir. •Dowler ?- — j^; Soon after Mr. Dowler came to Hampstead. Q, When did Mr, Dowler first come to Hampstead ? - - A. 1 forget the time, it was soon after the expedition returiied fixDm Buenos Ayres. . ^ • Q. Did she go by the name of Mr. Dowler ? — A. No. Q. Did you believe that she was the wife of Mr, Dowler •- — .^. Yes. ; • y 'Q, Did Mr. Dowler often sleep in the hone? — A. Yes. Q. Wai> (. 539 ) Q. Was [{lore a French Lady In that house }^A. Y^^s,- Q. "SVh^t was the name of that Lady ? * A. Josephine, I tliink, they used to call her ; I did not know her name exactly. Q. or how many peoj^le did Mrs. Clarke's farally, consist ? . A. At first when she came, herself. Captain. Thompson - and this French Lady. " '^ . Q.. Any children? — A. Afterwards there were.' ' '^ Q. How many cliildren ?— 4- 'l"wo, sometimes three. Q.Hk^w many bed-chambers had Mrs. Clarke in yaur, house : A. Four or five ; sheoccupieti the whole house alrnqst. ' Q. Do you know whether this French Lady slept with Mrs. Clarke r — A. No, I do not. Q. Is your wife with you now ? — J. Yes. .^; , Q. Is she here : — A. Yes. > .::.■• Q. Had,}'Ou ever any conespoadence with'IVli-s. Clarj^ }"' ^. Ido not uiiderstaDd^tiieque^tiqn. ' "' Q^ L|id..Mrs..Clarkp ever write to you, or you to Mrs. Clarke?— .-i. Yes. •- ^.;DQyou rocollect wbea MrsrClarke laat. wrote .to you ?-^y'i." Yesterday. " ' • . ' Q: Did you receive a letter from Mrs. Ciarke.yestqr- day? — A. Yes. ^^-r. ' ^"'• Q, When was the last.tiniei' before yesterday/ that yovi " received a letter from Mrs. Clarke ? ;, * ^ .„ A. 1 do not know exactly. Q. Have you that letter in your posscssiun'r— .-/. Xq Q. Wiiat is become of it? --r..... u'l. I gaveitioa gentleman, a professional man. Q. lowborn? — J. l\)Mr. Masters. ^. What is Mr. Masters ?—^. An Attorney. " ' - jH, Wuh vvliat view did you give it toMr. Masror/.^ • ' A, With a view for him lo write to her. '. . .. Q. Upon what subject ? A. For a sumof money which.sheowedTUe, , ^ ■ .ry Q, \^"hat were the contents of that letter !* " //. "^r A, I ajjplied to INIrs. Clarke in town, to a:>Iv.her to pay me my bill) when she was not to be seen; L lold th^ ■ ■ ■ . • • ;• Hc«sekeepei', (540 ) Housekeeper, unless she settled the account with me, I should disftose of some instruments of music that were left in part to satisfy mc. The same evening, I received a let- ter, threatening that she knew ! had forged a will, wherein I hold an estate. Immediately I took the letter to ]Mr. Mastery, telling him that it v/as all a falsehood, and desiring him to insist upon getting my money, and to de- spise her threats. Q. Was it in co.isequence of the threat contained in that letter, or in consequence of the deht which Mrs. Clarke owed you", you gave that letter to this professional, gent eman ? — A. In consequence of the threat. • Q. How long was this ago ? ' A. I do ROt exactly know ; I suppose July last, or therc'iiDout. Q.. Have any steps been taken in consequence by that pro'.es;io:)al gentleman ? . "A, He UToie to iier, and has received no answer? and I do n /. :nink any thing else has taken place since then. ♦Q-. H''.vs. you ever continued to apply to Mrs. Clarke since tiiat ? — A. No, never. ' Q. Did you ever receive any rent from Mrs. Clarke ? A. Never. 'Mr. IVardh, Q. In that letter, did she say tliat you had forged this will, and that she could hang you? A. I do not exactly know the words, but something to that eftect. Q. You state that you applied to your lawyer upon that subject ; why did he not proceed against Mrs. Clarke } A. I thought she owed me enough money already, and I did not like to rhr.)w good money after bad. Q. Do y iu ever recollcc: saying, you would be up with her for this r — A. No, never to any body. Q,. Doyou recol'ect, thut, at any lime, 'in Consequence of the business of the Will spoken of in that letter^ your wife and you parted?— A. Never. Q. You do not recollect your wife leaving you upon that or any otljer oci:asiv)n ? — ^'i. No. H. Have you, in your }}ossessionj any leiters that be- longed to Mrs. Clarke? — J. Yes, ( -s-il ) Q. 1 b.ve you nny ol)jt'cti;;r! to producing thrn': > A. ] sliould r.ot wis!) io produce them, nnlrss I sl^oii".-! hi s.ilisficd what sue owei iiie, unless by the request oi the House. . . [The Witness produced a bundle of letterfi.] [The Witness was directed to withdrav^-. The Chancellor of the Exchequer observed, that iF the witness had any lien on the letters, for rent, they were his property, and the Committee ought to consider before they called upon him to de- liver them in. If they contained any evidence with respect to tlie subject under investigation, however, he agreed that they ought to be produced ; but, at: the same time, it was not merely because they were Mrs. Clarke's that they ought to be-called for. Mr. WHT.TJiREA>o considered that, though the letters should be produced, it did not follow that the witness would lose them. Yet if he did, if they contained any thing material, they ought to be pro- duced. It would be proper to ask the witness how be came by them. - . ^ Mr. BATHURSTsaid that it ought also to be as- certained wliether they contained any thing relating to' the :^ubjtict before the Committee. Mr. Wardli- stated that he wished to knovsr whether they related to the sale of Commissions.^ Sir Gkorgh Hill remarked, that the present mode of proceeding in calling for every letter that belono-ed to Mrs. Clarke, was most indelicate and indecent, and he thought the Honourable Gentle- man * must state whether he had any reason to be- lieve tliat they contained any thing relative to this • Mr Wardie. No. X\'I. Zz inquiry. ( 5.1-2 ) inquiry. Unless this was done, he could not see how they could be prodaced. Mr. Wardlk stated, that Mrs. Clarke had in- formed him that while she was living at ilampstead she had burnt several letters containiniz: matter rela- tive to this inquiry, and had given many to this man and his wife to be burnt. He had lately found that they themselves had said that they had several letters relating to this inquiry, and he himself had applied to* the witness to have them delivered up, and^that he had agreed to do so upon getting a re- ceipt for them from Mrs. Clarke. Mrs. Clarke had sent a receipt accordingly, but the witness had said he had been better advised, and refused to deliver them. [The Witness was again called in.] Mr. JVardle. Q. State how you came by those letters ? A. They weie sent ci own to lii^ht the fire with, Q. By whom }—A. By Mrs. Claike. Q. D.6 she desire those letters, w'ncn she sent them down, to be burnt ? A. Thty were sent down merely to light the fire with ; they were not given to me, they were put into the closet, and the maid servant used to take them out of the closet as she wnted them. Q: Do you recollect, at the period these letters were sent dowi^., Mrs. Clarke burning a great number of Itt- ters : — A. I understand so j I did not see her burn any. • Q. You have read many of these letters ? A. I have read them since this business has been in hand. Q. Are you aware that any of these letters relate to the circumstances that had been under the consideration of fhis House ? — A. Yes, I think tiiey d ). • [The ( ,^'^3 ) [The Witness produced ivvo other bur.dlcs of letters.] [The Witness was directed to withdraw. Mr. YoRKK observed, that at present the Com- mittee knew nothing more about these letters than that they had been sent down to be burnt. Jt was, besides, material to consider, whether the time ol the Committee ought to be taken up in. reading such a bundle ; and also whethtrr this man was a proper jutlge to decide, whether they contained mat- ter relative to this inquiry, lie therefore suggested the propriety of subuiiuing them to a Committee, to examine whether they contained any thing re- specting the subject of this inquiry, [yl cry of ** No, 710, 720."] There might be many names men- tioned in them, which it might injure the feelings of many innocent individuals to divulge, while per- haps there might be only thre^ or four of them of any consequence with respect to the present inquiry. Mr. Barham asked, whether the Right Ho- nourable Gentleman had served his country or the Duke of York most materially, in allowing these letters to go out of the House. He would rejoice to see the Duke of York cleared from all these charges, but this was not the way to do it. He was desirous that they should not have gone out of the House, because whatever the Committee might think, the public might suppose that they would not come back again exactly in the same state as before, [y/ cry of '' Ko, no, rzo."] Thp Commit- tee had the authority of the person who possessed the letters that they contained matter relative to this inquiry. In examii^.ing the disgusting trans- actions that had been exposed at the bar, they had Z z 1 done ( ii44 ) t'Onii a great iy,any things th'it ifiight injure the ■' ci';t:g3 of individuals ; and iftiiey were to stop now v;^'. li such a pretence, the public would iuiagine 'haL it was for no very proper reason. There was iiO aiternative now but con'.p'ete pr.hhcuy ; and, it these Jctters were conceriit'l, the circumstance would tell tenfold against hiui whom it might be •.r.r.endcd to protect. 2yli, Whftbread thoueht it was incumbent i-:pon the Cummittee to put his [honourable Friend * zii the sanit situation as if he iiad ect tiie letters 'opon the receipt of Mjs. Clarke. In that case he. ^^'Ould be enabled to produce such as he found n:aterial, and he certainly would not withhold any thing of :h. It nature. The House was bound to put. this confidence in him. Tl:e Chancellor of the ExciiEauER saw no probability that the witness who had voluntarily produced these letters at the Bar, would destroy any of them upon withdrawing for a few minutes^and he thojgiu the apprehensions of the Honourable Gen-. tleman f altogether unfounded. They were at present, involved in a considerable difficulty, and he did not well see how they could proceed a step farther. Let- ter had not been admitted before till the hand writing had been proved. That the Honourable Gentle- man X would produce such as suited his object, there was no doubt — but in case there should be any that made more against Mrs. Clarke than the Duke of York, that he would produce these was not quite so clear. He was sure the Honeurable Gentleman would not think that this was casting any reflection upon him,. for he thought, that the Honourable Gentleman would, himself, be the last person who * M..\Va;dle.. t Mr.nar'nnm. : Mr W.-iHJe. \A' ' 1 ' d ( 545 ) would wish that sucli a delicate trust should he committed to him alone. If Mrs. Clarke had given him tiiese letters, the House would have no controul over them ; hut now it had the whole of them in its power, and justice required, that if any of them was to be exarnined, the whole should be produced. It any of these letters was from tlie Duke of York he did not say that it ought to be rejected. But his doubt was, whether the Committee ought to receive such a mass of letters, in which the characters of thousands might be implicated without any one being responsible for them. These letters miglu have been written by persons of whom the Con> mittee could know nothing, and it therefore would be out of its power to ascertain whether the whole M'as not a bundle of falsehoods. The great bulk of this bundle was another reason against reading them_, and the Committee ought to consider well whether they ought immediately to be received, without any further inquiry into their nature and contents, Mr. Bh RKSFO Px D did not imagine that they were then before a confessional, where the private crimes of individuals, not at all, perhaps, connected with the inquiry, were to be brought under their consideration. He disapproved in every point of view, of the House taking formal cognizance of sucb an enormous bundle of letters, containinf>' they knew not what, and passing between they knew not whom. iNIr. Secretary Canning said, that it seemed to be allowed on all hands, that the Committee had got into a diihculty with respect to those letters ; and to relieve them of that difficulty three distinct . propositions had been submitted ; as to the first that of having them all read, he did think that a most -exceptionable mode of proceeding. It rested Z z 3 upon ( 540 ) upon no analogy, all I'hat the House knew of the package of letters, was, that they had been in pos- session of Mrs Clarke, and iie did not think this a sufficient ground for reading thern. As to 'another suggestion, for vesting the selection of those letters exclusively with the Honourable Gentleman who had the conduct of this inquiry, he could not think that this either would prove satisfactory, not from the slightest doubt upon his mind of that Honourable Gentleman's disposition to conduct every thing tairly to the House, for he was free to say that his con- duct, throughout the pres.ev^t inquiry, had nothing in it that was not perfectly iair and honourable ; but at the same time, he thousrht it would be bettx^r to ijppoint a Select Committee, no matter how small, which might be' instructed to examine the letters, and s.elect such only as bore upon the present in- quiry. This could not be attended with any delay, lor asltwas well imderstood that this would not be the last night of this present inquiry, and that pro- bably, to-morrow, might be occupied with it, they might go on with the examination of their witnesses, and the House might, ©n its resuming, appoint a Select Committee tor that purpose. Mr. Barham in explnnatjon remarked that his o";-»ject was not that all the letters indiscriminately should be read, but that in the progress of this in- <^uiry there should be do appearance to the country of" a wisli on the part of ihat House to conceal any thing. Mr. YoRKE approved of the appointment of a Select Committee. Mr- Dennis Browne said, that in answer to the question, *^ Do any of these letters relate to the In- quiry now before the House r" the answer of the wiincss was — ** some of tiieiii.'* Now this, he tboueht. ( -V17 j thoiiiriiL, decided the tiling at once ; for Ir provcu that all did not, and ot couise the necessity oi selec- tion. He required that that answer be read. ( LieaJ, read !j The answer was thea referred to, and on reading prove to be — " I think they do'' — (J Icutgh.J JNlr. Adam proposed for the better regulation of their proceedings, that the letters be laid upon the table, and then sealed up, and that the House either now or hereafter be resumed, and that a Select Com- mittee be then appointed for the purpose of examin- ing them. l\Ir. \V K ITB READ Coincided with his Honourable ^Friend in the propriety of having the letters sealed up, and taken into the possession of the House. Lord PoiiCHKSTER thought it much better that two persons should be appointed, for the purpose of lixing upon such letters as either they might think calculated to bear upon the present inquiry ; because he thought it not fair that the Honourable Member, who certainly should be one of those two, conduct- ing that Intjuiry, should be denied hisright of bring- ing before the House whatever in his opinion tended to make out his case. Mr. Brand considered it rather premature to take any proceedings with respect to the letters, until they were actually in possession of the House, which certainly they were not as yet^ Mr. Bragge Bathurst imagined that the sug- gestion made by the noble Lord * was the best to ob- viate every objection. Mr. Secretary Canning observed, that the ob- iection of the Noble Lord to a Committee, was done away by the consideration, that the object of that Committee would be not to select what was proper, but • Lord PORCHXSTEB, ( 5-lS ) but to discard what was wholly irrelevant. Sir Samukl Uomilly was ior the Committee, if it was so constituted tliat nothing in those letters could be kept from the House, that any Member of that Committee was of opinion was relevant to the present inquiry. The Chanckllor of the ExciiEauErv then proposed, "That a Committee should be appointed to examine these letters, and select such as appear, to the Committee, or to any -Dne of them, relevant to the inquiry now before the Hous^i." AJ r. Willi am s W v n n e and i\Ir. B a x k e s ob- jected to any Committee so constituted, as being altogether unprecedented. Mr. PoNSONBY said, that at the commencement of the charges now before the House, he had made his resolution not to sav a word until he had heard all the evidence that was to be adduced in support of them ; but in the present question, he could not help, from its very important tendency, to press upon the Committee the necessity of commn: at the best possible evidence the nature of the cast will admit. He certainly thought a Committee the better way, but ridiculed the notions of the minority of that Committee controuhna: the majority, which woidd be the case, if one Member could produce letters the rest of the Committee think unnecessary. . The Chancellor of the Exchequer then' concluded the observations by remarking, that in submission to the suggestion with respect to the point of precedent, he should omit that part ; only that it was to be understood, that on the House re- suming, the Committee would be appointed for the examination of the letters, and that every letter any one Member of that Committee thought necessary would be produced. [The ( 549 ) FThe Witness was again called i I Ji/-, ll'hitbuad. Q. Have you in your pocket the who'c of the letters yon look out of the House : — A. \ l-. JlJr. JVhitbrcad, Produee thtrn. [The Witness produced them.j Q. Were you advised not to deliver those Jclfcrs to Mi?. Clnrke: — A. Xo. il. is that your h.and writing ? — yi. \'c.-, it is. [The Letter was then read.] " M.i!am, " - ' «» , 3 Feb. 1805." *' I received yours respeciing your letters : and oti turning the matter in my iv.iiid, I don't know how f.ir I Bin aurhoriz.d to give them eve^i to i/an, as having beet) applied lo from another quarter on the same bu- siixiss; and as I most certainly sliaii ne obliged to attend the House of C'oi'.imons, I will jook them all up and produce th^m there. " hi fact, I tiiink you ought to settle my Account before you ask me for any thing. " I am your obed. Servt. " Mrs. Clarke." " IV. NcchoilsV Mr. li^'ardk. Q, P>om whnt other q^uarter was it you were appliexl to for the letters ? A. From no other quarter) I was waited upoi'; by a gentleman on the same business, but in turning it iu my mind, I did not know that I was even to givettieni to any person, withotit the consent of the House. . Q. Who was the other gentleman ? A. 1 do not know his name. Q. Are you certain yon do not know his name. A. ! do not know his name. Q. Did you know iiis name yesterday ? A. No, I did not. Q. Did yon tell mc his name ve.sterday ? A . I do not recollect that 1^ d:d, I am confident 1 \l'.d not know his name. Q. l^ecollef^t yourself ? A , 1 am contidenl I did not kn .'W his name. Q. Did ( 550 ) Q. Did you not tell nre his name was V^'lik:^sc^i : A. I be;ieved it was ^^'ili:insc)n, but I mistook thi name, and I do not know tlie name nuv ; tlie person who canie mentioiud the name ot Wukmscn, i)ut it was rot the person's name who came to me ; though I might si)y it was ^Vilkinson to Mr. Wardle. 1 was misiaken. Q. Do you mean to say, that the person who came siid he was sent by Mr. Wilkmson ? A. He mentioned the name of Wilkinsnn, but I am not certain in what way he \;sed that name. Q. Whcm did this person say iie came from ? A. He came from ]\Ir. Lov. ten. Q. V\ hoever it was he came trom, did he ask for any particular letter, or oniy a;'plied to you up.3n the gciieral subject ? ■ A. He said nothing about letters. Lord Milion. Q. Wiiat did you mean when you wrote that you had been applied to upon the same business from another quart^er ; what do these words mean ? A. J meant the business of this inquij-)'. Q. Did tiie person coniiiig from ]\Ir. Lowteii request tiiat you would not produce those letters } A. iNo, he knew nothing at ail about letters. ■ Q. What did he ask for r* A. He asked me some questions about Mr. Dowdier. Q. What applicatian did this person make to you ? A. He a'-ked me some tjuestions about Mr. Dowler ? Q#*ipid this, converation relate to nothing but Mr. Dowler.' — A. Mr. Dowler and Mrs. Clarke. Q. What did he say upon the subject of Mrs. Clarke ? A. I forget almost what he asked me; he asked me a few questions about them, audi told him that she told me she was married to Mr. Dowler. Q. What did he say upjn the subject of papers ? A. Nothing at all. Q. Why then do you assign tb"s person having called up n you from Mr. Lmw ten, as the reason for net return- ing the letters to Mrs. Clarke ? A. For \.o reason lor the ))erson having called on me from Mr. Lowten ; but on tuiuing the matter in my own mind, 1 thought it most prudent so t'» do. O. Then (• 551 ) Q. Then whv \irA\' you stated in your letter, that this person liaviiig called ujion you was tiic iea.ion lor not returning the letters to jMrs. Clarke ? A. In turning it in my own nii')d, I thought that I might be censured by the House. Uiidcrstanding that 1 mu.^t attend this House, for delivering those letters to Mrs. CJarkc. Q. Had you, at the tin^e of writing that letter, received an Order from the House to produce these letters ? — A. Xo. Cfianctllor of the Rvchcouer. Q. Did the person wh» Cinnetrom Mr. Low ted desire you to keep back those let- ters, and to suppress them ? A. He said nothing yt all about them j he did not know that I had a letter, to my knowledge. Lord Folkstonc. Q, At the time you saw that person, had you received an order to attend this House ? — A. No. Q. What made yon suppose you should be obliged to attend this House r A. Because the Gentleman, who came, said he sup- posed I must attend this House. Q. Have you seen that person since yesterday ? — A. Yes. Q. Wh.re? A. I saw him; became to Hampstead to-day, and I came to town with him. Q. Did he go to Hampstead to fetch you ? — A. Yes. (2.. Did he carry down the summons to att-eiid th;> House? — A. No. Q. How came you to come to town with him ? ■ A. He came there after I received the summons j I did not expect hs would come there. Q. His name is not Wilkinson ? — A. No. Q. Do you know what his name is ? - A. I should know what his name was if I heard it ; I have heard it to-day, but do not recollect it. Q. Is it Williarns ? — A. No. Q. Did he say any thing to you to-day about the letters ? • A. Xo, he knew 1 had the letters to-day. Q. But he did not speak to you u"p''n tlie subject ? A. No , 1 believe h,s name is Wrigb;, bat 1 am not ^ure. U. You ( 552 ) Q. You srated in the fon-ner pnrt of yonr cxr^mination, that you believed JMis. Ciaik^ wns Mr. Dowler's wiie^ did you ever apj)!)' to Mr. Dowkr i'or the satiaiactiou oi". your debt ? — A. Never. Q. Why did you not ? — A. I had not an opportunity. , Q, Did you ever seek for an opportunity r A. No, I do not know that I ever did ; I was not anxioas about the bu^inebs ; 1 did not suppose but what 1 should be paid. Jllr. C. Adams. Q. In what profession are you ? A. A baker by busin's.s, Q. How long have yoii lived in Harnpstead ? A, Eight or nine years. Q. You are a Housekeeper there ? — A. Yts. Mr. Hibbcrt. Q. ^ ou have stated, that you believed Mrs. Clarke was j^lr. Dowler's wife, and you have also stated that she told you when she came to Hatnpsteiid she w: A. At all of the times he was in town^ at some time or other. 4^. Has he been fiequently at your house with a petsoti whom he represented as bii wile? A. Not very frequently. 4^. Do you now know who the Lady was whom he 83 represented as his wife :-^-A. i d3 not. No. XVL ^ A Q. Was ( 554 ) ^. Was it thc-samc person that always came with him r .- ^. 'The same j->^rS>M. Q. \VIkmi vva.-. that penrDii last at your hcuse, that you knew her so to bf there ? ' A. rthir.k last^I^^icfcy se'cnn'ght, the day that Mr Dowler came to town. ,^ Q. You do no^k^it'^who that Lady Is"? I * A. Phave heard, hiu I do iiQt-knuw of my own know- ledge. - ■ Q. Has Mr. Dowior sny^pUed any body with wine from vour house ? A. No, Mr. Dewier has had some wine fromcny house, w^. Where has that win« been sent to ? A. I belveve soniewlrcre by. Bedford Square, I think, but ] do n'»t recollect ; if I had expected io be -asked ihc 'Question,. 1 would' have»made myself sure of it. . ft. Did the Lady wIk> came wilh Mr. Dowlcr, go by ihe name of Mrs. Dewier r - '•'' ''-•• • ; .^.'Onai^riy shedid, or she mhouM not haYc beca inmy house. . . - ► ' ^ ' . . 7 '; ^ ft. Was Uie peisoa who was with Mr. DoMHetron Friday sc'ennight, at your house, the Lady whotised'to be with h^m ui>der the name of Mrs. l^^wder r— /i. iThesatiie. ft. ©id you ever hear her go by any other name but thai ol Mr.-, Dowler • — A. No. .■ > y ^r -v = J .•^< 0;. Did y.'U ever address her yonrself by the name of Mrs. Dowier ? — A. 1 did. ' ' ft. .Did she answer to that name }-^A: Mostceriainly. Lcrd Folkstone. ft. .Are you sure it was on Friday se-'en- B:ght that this Lady was at your house tor-lbc iasi^^irtJt; 2 A. The last time that I saw her. ... .' '^ ft. Are you sure as to the day ? • ; . V iA. To the best of my recolkcttoa.;: \ : , ft. Are you sure it was the day Mr. Dowier arriyed lu town? — A. I think, it was. ft. Are you certain of that fact I .;.• . A. As well as my memory serves. me, I- am. . . ft. -Have yuu scenihut Lady any where m the neigh- feowrhood of this House since you came "ir-^d. 1 have not, -/ft* She passed as- Airs. Douler on that cveaiog .>. • A. y A. By-the public talk I have heard that of her ; noihing furthe'. Q. Have you ever been to her house ? - -A. Yes, in Bedford Place, leading from Bloomsbury Scjuarc^o Hnssel-Square. Q. Was there any name upon her d jor there }' A, Not to the best of my recollection. ■ Q. Did vou ever carrv her any thing there ? — A. Y*es. 'C>.- Whai.^— J. Wine. Q. From your ma^iter's ? — A. Yes, ■' Q,. Who order, d that whie ? A. 1 received the order from my master. Q. Havff you seen her at your master's Iioase lately? '-A. 1 have not. Q. Have you seen her since Mr. Dowler's return from Sprain ? — A. 1 have not. 3 A 2 Q. Hav« ( 5 50 ) ^' Have von seen W:. D^Aviei ihi,re ilnc:: : A. \ csj 1 have. U. 1 o \vhi>ni was the wine ciircctcu to bt- carric-ci ? ^i. iMr-- Duwler. Q. lo be carried toXi». 1-i, Fcdford Place : — J. Yt;£. {^. You would know the h-idy if ViJU saw her : .1. Yes, 1 believe I ghoLild. Q. Have you ever si^cii iitr at anr other yhics, or car- ried wiue i'j her any wh<_re el^e : — ./. \c6, a Where? A. At the end of tlie Kii^p:':; ]U)jd, I believe ir iswiieti AVfstccit Bnild;iigs, or Svinv-Thiug ot that suri, leading lu Sh/^uc Square. Q. \Vhr.t name did yoa carry it i-j there r A Mrs. Dowler, , Q. Whin? A. 1 might say I believe It was the 13th oM4th of De- ^telllbcr l;ist, Q.. WLq or4cred that wine : — A. 1 am not sure. [The Witness was directed to withdraw. SA"MUEL WELLS was called in, and examined by the Coniinittee, as- follows^ Th£ CluitiCcUiiT of the Kxchcmer, ..d^ Are you a Wu cvet deliver a letter' to ihi^ (■ 557 ) .ij, Lady, c.retltid to ^tr.s. Df)\vltr '— .-f. No, I \,avc fjft, Atin'^-".i\ Genera!. C- Wjs Mr. Dewier c\( t thcie with iiny ulhcr Lady cxcci t thi^ ? — A. \(,t tD ,riy kn.)V. Icdg-. [The \N'ilr.P5s was directed to withdraw. ^Tr. Wardlj: pioposcd to call iu Mrs. Favorey or f xamiiiaLion, but the Serjeant at Arms appeared Ai the K.ir, aiicl stated that she xvas not in attendance. '['he Chan^kulor of the Exchrquer, after .taiing that it would be necessary to summon one ol these witnesses for to-njorrow, in order to identify Mrs. Clarke, asked Mr. Wardlcj whetlier lie had any fuvthcj ehar^; s toprcftr? . Mr. Ward! k replied, that he was not yet pre- pared to state the nature of a charge which he nieant to adduce, if he found the evidence satisfactory. If he should find it so,' he should bring it forward to- morrow night. The Chancellor of the Exchequer expressed a wish, that the Honcurabic Member would have the goodness tp^. state the charge,- in order that the accused might? be prepare^ to bring forward evidence in his defence, .-.,': '!Mr.''W^4* Q-tE. §Qqsider,ftd it-impossible for .hiv^^-la state the charge at that -iQioment, but iie would be decided respecting it in -the morning, and should take the earliest opportunity of ijiforming the Right Honourable Gentleman of-it, .Lord Foiason for pressing so much for " - th« (- 56o ) the statement which the Right Honourable Getule- niat> desired. Mr. Canning did not mean to throw out any imputation; but he must say, he retained his opi- hwn, that the proceeding which formed the sub- ject of conversation was most unusual aod unprece- dented." Mr. Beresford thought it too hard thus to press the Honourable Mover. He had already brought forward charges against the Duke of York, in which he had confessedly failed, and it was but fair to af- ford him some time for inquiry and reflection, in or- der to save him from similar failures. Sir Charles Hammond thought from the hour at which they were then sitting it could not be ma- terial to the case of the Duke of York whether the information desired should be obtained from the Noble Lord rrow or in the morning. The Speakeci suggested the form of a motion in the Com- mittee, foi resDHiing the Htjuse, which was a necessary j)re- li'minary to the apjiointment of a Commiitee for examining tiie letters given in by Nicholis. This motion was put and carried. The Tlouse then resumed ; and it was ordered, on tiie nuition of Mr. W liarton, that a Committee shonid be appointed to examine the letters alluded to, and to report to the llou^e such letters, and such parts of }etters, as had any bearing upon the (Kicstion referred to tiie consideration of the Committee of the whole House. Upon the motion of the Chancellor of the F.xrhequer, the "Committee was ordered to consist of the following Members, 'three to form a quorum, namely Mr. Wardje, Mr. Williams -Wynne, Mr. Croker, Mr. Brand, and Mr. Leach. ^ The Committee was ordered to sit on A\ ednesifay. ,, ^. L^fiOti'the Motion of Lord 'Folksione.'X'o! "Gordon, ''Mrs. C'lapke and Mr. Donovan were ordered to be summoned toat- •tcudas nituesses 4)0 thatdav. .•,.•!• ( 501. ) INDEX TO ^•OLU^]E r. Adxm, Mr. \\\$ di'tr-mi^ of ihe rnn- diict of tlie Duke of Yo.k^ iS. proposes that the investipaiion b? bcff)re a Committee of the who)c Jioiise^ 20. Examined on vari- ous pojni.s, 56, 90, 101. A trustte with Mr. C'outts for the liquidation of the Duke's debts, 67. '1 he promotion of hi.s sons, lOT. cfffrs an annuity to Mrs. Clarke, 499. " /■! i/iltn.tsaihr o^ '*Iorncrn^'' a ieu (I'csprtt of Mrs Clarke, to de- signate a ihooniakcr, 50. Ji L'arber, Mr. Letter from, to Mr;. Clarke, requosrina time for me t paynient of his deposit, 445. Baseiy. Rev. T. his apjilication to the Duke of Portland for the pur- ciiase of a deanery, 348. Birkett, >s*'e Parker. Bonrne, Wm. Siturges, Esq. ex- amined a> to the appointments of - Messrs. Manby aitd DowJer lo ti* Commissariat; 303, 218. BXidgssian, .Mrs* -examined on the point of 'Mrs. Clarke's butler having reqiicsted her to change a '- Note,' 500. :. Brooke, Lieirt. Col. his case, 8, . - 33* 7^ 522- " Burdett, Sir Francis, seconds the •Motion far Inquiry, J I, 17. Re- ported to haveoflTered Mrs. Clarke 4000/, for ljerpa[)ers, 369. 1 he Report unfouHded, jyS. C Carey, Mrs. her olTice for the sale of commissions, 11, 24- Carter, Samuel, a servant of Mrs. Clarke's, made an ensign, 495 '* Cai//7, 4?3- Clarkf. Mr. tlueatens a prosecuiiun Mo XXXU. agAins' the Duke of York f'T . (ii.ii. ( on 56. Clarke, Mrs. biopraphicai Sketchc; of, 58. 143, 267. Under lie jiatronape of the Duke of Yor» , 7, 41 , 2 :^6 — hf r cml)3rrassment>, 4S8, 49- — tliscardid, 47, s2» 262 — ttic reanon, 14^), 496. re- ceives 500/. for the promo'ioM of Major Tonyn, 7, 375. Receives •zoo I. for the exchanpre betwti-n Lieut. CoL Knight an Lieut. Co'. Rrooko, S, II, 41. Receive? 500/. of Major Shaw, 9, 47,, procures a levy for Col. Frcrrcth, and receives various sum* for it, 9, 158, 224. Her transactioni with Mr. Dowier, 180, 48-,494, 496, 538. EndtavouTs to rf'-*' cure a Bishopric for Dr. O'Mca-a, 269. Procures an ensiency frr her servant Saf«uel Carter, -495, . 497. Her transactions with Mr. Maltby respectin? the procure- n>ent and sale of places in church and state, 298, 390, 457. De- clines examination befsre the -Committee, oii«ccour.iaf fatigue, 210, Proceedings in the Com- mittee thereon, 211. Insuhedon her way to the House, 224, 273. Her letters to Mr. Adam, oj. Describes herself as a widow be- fore a Court Martial, 49, 285. Pieads her marriage and nonsuits Mr. Few, who iiad arrestedher as a widow, 140. Rep-esettts herself first as a widow,, and after- wards as the wift of Mr. Dowier, 53 S, 552 — denies this, 494. Her letter to the Prince of AVales, 26c. Denies that she rcpreseiircd herself as living iindr the protec- tion of Mi. Mellibh, 377. Df- nies tliat she evr dr.-w bills on th» Du'.ce of York, 481:, 49-. Her acquaintance with .\ii5sTay- i"'» 49,^ CIav< ring, Gen. reqv'CSts to he ex- amined, 32S. L.\amiuecl as to 3 1- ( 662 } h;s zctj'-'Jiintance ^md traiuat i'.;ri.'. wirji Mrs. Clarke, 337. Tm- Riottd tniough Mrj;. Clarke s 11;- tercession with :ihe Coniraancer in Ciiiof, 440- •JeTneiiWon,Mr. (8en^ant"alATn:s"! esammcd as (a Mn>. Ciarkt's" Tt'rwnof herhaviriijbeen impoc'cd infitrprogJres* tcihe H«)U$e,i73. Coekayne^ iV^agenttoMr?. Clarke, for the sale of commijisions, 9 l^ecommeods Ca|.t : Saiidon 10 her, T 54. '.-'>-■■ .:i: Conibe, il-C. Esq. exanlinfd as to the xppcmiunent ofMr./DowJtT, C^nmilssions, ^ale «i, origin and present lqg:al mode of,' 401. Rates ar whTchTthey were disposed ot" by -WfSJtbrkeyj g? .. C^stamintey «.iehY)i, appointed to ■ examine the btmdbof pftpers i>rc- CmBhev:'-Mr.i'eai3i«iru*a !(s to the negotiaiing a loan for the l>uk^ ©fYork, 145. I l»ay8 Mr. Few's feiil aiid^oftWon acrount^of Mrs. Ciarke, 15©. .Mrt. CAarke. 169. I>ODkert,"*Mr> eJtartMBed-touchk-g the purchase of Mrs. C1afke«s»ier- ■i^ii»iafJpte«ej-^449. •' s * Doncvan, Lie«ti acts-tw-'fereiTer for •Mr«\ G*tft*e, ^7.' Eiarnmfd us ' • •© -his 4 r^c For -pli^^f ^9 '5 1 3 ^ 5 > 357. JHi« fceryice* iHid Kufftr- ^P^^t 3<^- ' Ocrrornencement and '"pro^rc^ Hf^»»?rac<^ut^MahT?<* with ■ M<5.-'CterJbf,'"3f««<-f -A^t^lres to " MwrClsr^ke fora ^wnery, 9^7. ^'•Copiefj ^«f' l^isrvjettcrs to Mrs. CUrke applym|;"fot*«fVrt-af plaeef, civ. I, military, ^and ecclesiastical, '' ■ 325-. •'"Kx3mrfrerf">'0ir lk*a^6r To- ■? fi V H\r ij»8e;"3 ^-r Vharges- M rs . " ClirW *a: d ■ Uifer*, -vfixh heir:^' ■" concer::i."i in a plot aguin^t li.'j L>ukec'f York, 36S. Df'Wier, W.-Eiq- his arqijA.Miaucc and I raasactions \v iit^ Mi.-,.- C.Jarkc , 17% ->3» 4^0, 494, 496, Siii. rnrchiiSv^d his sivUHiioj> in fclic Coiviiuisiaiiatoi Mr j>. Clarke, J bo, • -. . ::f.:u:.rr'i F ■ j' .nsroH .rr--.;>- Fdrq-Hhar, George, tb* fictitiona adtiresa us^-d^yihe Duk^-of^',ock, when writing to Mrti.CtBrk^44^. Few, Mr. €xan»ined,;>3 9.. .Ar- rested Mrs. Clarke as a widow aud is nonsuited by her pleading iif r marriage, 140. Paid by Mr. CoiTirie, 150. ■ - -- , .£ .7^7-. _; Finuoriy, Mr. his Petition- to tthc liDuse of Commons, 218..^,.. Frencl), Cot. obtain* a commission for nrising troops, 9,. 1 5i» *24- BecUne&akieniothe Commander ii:. Chief, 10, 1 6a. Examina; j©n of. witnesses, respecting -Uia levy, Frwomfif the Army Brokeii yif. 4^.0 3 f-r. 7?3'?-''- Gordon, Col. exa«iBed.a* to xhe exhaugft. between Lteut.-0^l Brooke and Xjeuteaant-iGelaael Knight, 69I5 a*. . As^**.i^»P- poimiacniofCftpt..Maliag, 4io, 116. .A9^^rii\^.)saoTiik4g(iSS - WBi.WiHianns,4i54^ jAstQ.ihe appoimo)ei)$-»f M^i«r Tonjm, ^94. A» - in the German ie^uou, S^^-.r^flteji ' Jio^Mu, Major,. unknowM J#^lT- • c'Af\uys^. . . :\.\'^^^^.'% H'-\ = nUen, Mrs. a comrriK^on aif'nt, examined on Ccl. Shawc'a «af, 453- n uskjsson ( 51)3 ) }lH-ii, \V. Esq. examined a» tA H»«- apuoiFitincni-^ oi Me-3is. Mat)b'.' «nd l^tn\ iti to l!a Coru- DK-aTMf, ao; . 219. K Knir^lit, Robert, Esq. examiiifd re • luiive to the exchanp^e Ivetween his brother aod V.n]. Brooke, 37. ■ , Lieut. C'll various prr>- cctHJings and examinations rtla- ♦ rve to his exchange, 8, 33,41, 71,522,525. L Letter, anonvmous, to Mr. Adam, 103.'- FrtMn Mr. Fevr, iht auc- tioneer, -to Mrs. Clarke, 141. Trom \V Williams to Mrs. €4»rkej24>?. To Col. M'Mahon, •264.- From Gt*n.' Clavoring 10 't^ie Attorney Gfrrwral refjuesting TO be examine, 3^8.' To Mr. Wardie, requesting »«t to he carted before th^^'Committrc to attest Mrs. Ciarke's veracity, 337. Si?'RedChaflesC.bunift«r, • to-'&Ml.^^'ftivierirtg^, \^4e'. -FMm ■^■t^eRev.'Y."B*f«»y to the Duke of PortMrtd, of^iT\g'300oi. fcT 'ihk Deatiery of S^ilburVi 348. '-Frtiro-tl^l^ukettf Portland to the ^^Hp^^'Of Loftdoit, 'wfoffning hiin •: of Baselr'u coodkic*i'349. FrcHn -•ihe* Bishop of London to the -'^Dakc ofPortlijidj i« rg iime^fop^^v4T»eiit of **)its' deposit, 445. From -the ' aa-*^bisho0 vaji to Vlru. Clarke, .■^zj. hclauve to the p.'omotim of Mainr Tonyn, 395. From Mr. Mahby to .Mrs Clarke, re^pcciin;? vu- riodS proino»i(>n6, ^14.1 et PfQ. From Coiunel . .M'Mahon to Mrs. Clarke, on.tho subjecrof his 9pplicatit>n to the Dukr.- in hrr favour, 446. 1" :om the Uuke of York to Mrs Ciarke»447 Be- rwetn Liuot. Gen. Burrard and Col. Gordon, relative to the pnv tttotion of Major fr)haw, 505. e^ -acTf. Var:ous. rehmve to tlie re- signation of Major Turner, 531. Lonp, Mr. his statement of the ap- poimnteiHKif Mr. Dutf icr aO ibt coninuManai^ Z^^i ■y •■. \ -v k ■ Loraine, Col. exaisined- asi tmti»e terms of Ma^or ^Frenrti'a Mmj% ■ .352- • , -,:. ;• • - v/-ri ;?.'' >i cM r~A-.-:^i 'o M'Doancll, Major, refused ames- change, 8. -, M'Malion, John, Eiq. his-inter- ^\v with Mrs. Ciarhe, urrJer the ' ttame of Farqubar, t4o^ 3 Sk>. Uis letters to Mrs. Clarke, 446. Mahug Capt. his caje, iX), «>$>.. Maltby, Mr. bis'Transacboiis tvkh Mrs. Clarke, to» the sale of pro- . ipotion!*, i9», 39Oy.-40J, 437' Utslettert;, 44i. .. Matiby, Mr U.s appoiiusteol rto tbe.cainmu.sariat, MJi « Meliish, .W. Es<^. t«lkiie« Coin's assertJK)!! af .ills h^vkkg.aefitiiifin . at Mr>. ClAtJut'f . ^ 1^. Nicholift, ^x. fxatpmed a* 40 \U^. Clarke's re&idw.uce9t hi&U^uM at Hampsit;ul, „si7 ProcLuef* a hiindie of kiteu htit^X. 1h& DbuUm i)y Mr*. .Cinrke, ^i. l«»>ju .'- -■O . . ■■ - ' ■.. O'Meara, Dr. appl;«s u> Mrs. GLvke to propurehi a a bisi^^pric, 269. Orraiuin, Xoic-wick, .cxamp^^j as (' 504 ). to the procuring cliai)se for a P Parker, Mr. examined as to the saN; of plate by Mr. Birkett, to ■ Mrs. Clarke, 290, 350. P-ayinasier, how -appointed, 526, - 528. Petiiicn to the Houseof Coroinons • from MF.-Finnerty, ti8. Picrson, Uavid, exRiniued as to the procuring^ 'Change ifor n Bank note, 150, 3*^, y^i. 31^' Promotioi\,.*»ff|4iir practice of, in The Comlban^ iti Chief's Gi'-» fice, 4aj,"S"^-S^^ ■ * • > Pulteuey, Sir Jam^, Ws^DSfeiK-e of the C^mnfender mj- Cfiief, 11. N K He?a}dttpns (copy of) for the tran*- f fer atid^purclidse ot aTDumssiadis in the army, J 13., , i^-* BeidfMti exiuiiiiieda»^the resi> .^denceof Mr. Dowter-and Mrs. Clarke at hii hotel, 55-3. Robibson, George^ examined as to the residence of Mrsi ClarkcAfith Mr. Dowter, ai .^laughter's Hotel, 4 55. - ...Ivv . <*SaIe arkBbie.caie, 9. ■ J^3tamtnation V ^f . wittjesses, &c. relative l*i?#eto^ .564, 453, 475, 504- -V -' -—— *,'^iCyr*:*A1«aAnder,-«taarjined to prove Cot. ^Shimj^hxi aon's lurnd vrritln^, ?03.v » r- . ' ' — — , M»*.XAarl«B,«xainiaed a»to the -money, paid- bjr C»l. Shaw," for Mrs."Cfcirke*s Services, 502. Sinclair, Major, rrfos^d an ex- change, 8. • > Staff OfTrcers on foreiga station.^ list of, and the reflsonrwhv some are on half pay, und otiier* uol, -511- ^ - Stowers, Mr. cxamir.ed in IP \i^ admitures vf Mt'?. CJarkc, r43. Sutton, Mr. (Deputy Judge* -Vdvo- ;cate) examined a** to Mts,£ikk^4&f testimony befCre.a Court Mar- tial, 285.. T T/tyior, M'ss, her examination, and "acquaintance with . Mr6. Clarke, 274- " ' . _ T^iyHtie, -Dr. gives Mrs. Clarke; -:ioy/. for her interference m the » exchange of Col. Brooke, 8, 35. Titciifield, Mirqins, e\am«ied as to his knowled^'e of an allied connection between the Duke of Portland and an office for tlie .sale of places, 348. Tonyn, Major, his case, 7,, 357.. Tiwm, Archbi.*;ho.p of, his letter of recomaiendatioii of Dr. O'Meary, 475- Tucker, Capt. examined, 293. Turner, Major, documents and ex- amination of witnesses relative to his resignatJ0Ji„530. Tyson, Mr. exammed a§ to the na- ture of the Drafts paid to Messrs. Parker an€b||irkeU's,j 50. ■ '•; ' ; ^ W Wardle, Col. moves for a Commit- 'tee of inquiry, 5. His Chartees '•; lagainjt the Commander in ^Jhi^f, :-9> tl,. Z9— 33, 1,0 >% a 04, 357, V 453- ) Hiia^jtiaintance with Mrs. . (i^e, 6a,: 85^ j^^ Hi.s ^x- , aaiiiraTjoiis, jb, ,.t,, •. ': ;•,'_ i[ W^lesiey, ii.r Ar.Uur, djafends »he ! management i>f ,ihc. Cojmmander in t hief, 13. .., . ^ ' .- "W'tUs, Safauel.. examined as-to^he . iransaciion between Mr. DoAS^er and Mrs. ClarWji. ai .SUi^ftfr's . Hotel, 5)^^, •' •: <.'*t;'^-i^.v'^ WharroHj Sir. appo4ntei of the Conmiitiee of Inquirx,.-3 r> Wil.ianis, Wm. his leitc^r to Mrs, Clarke, 248. Examined andJlJis.-.^; reisscd ai in«ane, 350 ei -'fj-i *-!^ •J . f i- ,**•• -?« COLUMBIA UNIVERS1TVUBRAR|ES 0041019407