MASTER NEGATIVE NO. 94-821 82 COPYRIGHT STATEMENT The copyright law of the United States (Title 17, United States Code) governs the making of photocopies or other reproductions of copyrighted materials including foreign works under certain conditions. In addition, the United States extends protection to foreign works by means of various International conventions, bilateral agreements, and proclamations. Under certain conditions specified in the law, libraries and archives are authorized to furnish a photocopy or other reproduction. One of these specified conditions is that the photocopy or reproduction Is not to be "used for any purpose other than private study, scholarship, or research." If a user makes a request for, or ater uses, a photocopy or reproduction for purposes In excess of "fair use," that user may be liable for copyright infringement. The Columbia University Libraries reserve the right to refuse to accept a copying order if, In its judgement, fulfillment of the order would involve violation of the copyright law. Author: Thurber, Francis Beatty Title: The relations of railroads to the public PI3.C6' [Washington, D.C.] Date: [1 879] qq-S^/^P-V MASTER NEGATIVE # COLUMBIA UNIVERSITY LIBRARIES PRESERVATION DIVISION BIBLIOGRAPHIC ri/IICROFORM TARGET ORIGINAL MATERIAL AS FILMED - EXISTING BIBLIOGRAPHIC RECORD lUSlNESI 530.7 T42 1 Thurber, Francis Beatty, 1842-1907. The relations of railroads to the public. A statement prepared by F. B. Thurber, esq., of New York city, in reply to inquiries submitted to him by the chief of the Bureau of statistics., Washington, D. C. rWashinerton, 1879] cover-title, 18 p. 23 em 1. Bailroads— U. S.— Rates. 2. Railroads— New York (State) i.U. S. Bureau of statistics (Treasury dept.) ii. Title. A 13-1595 Railway Economics. Printed by L. C. RESTRICTIONS ON USE; TECHNICAL MICROFORM DATA FILM SIZE: 3&mm REDUCTION RATIO: \I ^ IMAGE PLACEMENT: lA IIA^ IB IIB DATE FILMED: 1-6-^^ INITIALS: XjJ?-. TRACKING # : M'iM 0/S33 FILMED BY PRESERVATION RESOURCES, BETHLEHEM. PA. 3 3 0) 5-? aorsj v^ U1 3 > CD o m CD O OQ N X .-v^- »S>i ^^. ^J^^ %y^ a? '*'* > o 3 3 ^o o o 3 3 tS ^ \- ^^ ^o ^o f

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THURBER, OF NEW YORK, IN REGARD TO DISCRIMINATIONS IN RAIL RATES AGAINST THAT CITY, THE LINE OF POLICY PURSUED BY THE NEW YORK TRUNK LINES, THE OPERATIONS OF THE WEST-BOUND APPORTIONMENT SCHEME OF NEW YORK, TERMINAL CHARGES, AND THE RAILROAD PROBLEM OF THE COUNTRY, WITH A STATEMENT IN REGARD TO THE INFLUENCE OF CAPITAL TOWARDS DETERMINING THE COURSE OF COMMERCE, IN REPLY TO INQUIRIES ADDRESSED TO HIM BY THE CHIEF OF THE BUREAU OF STATISTICS. N. B. — ^The following inquiries were originally addressed to Mr. Thurber in May, 1878, and his reply was dated May 21, 1878. He has, however, revised the whole and returned it to this office under date of June 13, 1879. * • ••• • ;•: • • • • • • I • • •« » • • • • • • • • • ' • • • • • • s,, • • • »•• • • ' • * : •• • • * • • • • INQUIRIES ADDRESSED TO AND ANSWERS FROM F. B. THURBER, OF NEW YORK. Question 1. Do you regard the establishment and maintenance of lower rates be- tween ports in Europe and points in the interior of the United States than the com- bined ocean rate from the foreign port to New York, and the railroad rate from New York to the interior point, as in the nature of an unjust discrimination; and, if so, what measures, in your opinion, should be adopted for preventing it ? Answer. I regard the establishment and maintenance of lower rates between ports in Europe and points in the interior of the United States than the combined ocean rate from the foreign port to New York and the rail rate from New York to the interior points as an unjust discrimination, for the reason that the two methods of transportatioa are entirely 8ei)arate and distinct from each other, bulk having to be broken and the goods handled at the end of the ocean voyage in any event. There can be no more economy of transport by making a through rate in Liverpool to Chicago, via New York or any other port, than there is in making the ocean rate separately and allowing the railroad lines to make the rate from the seaboard to Chicago. This, of course, is under the supposition that in both cases the goods are transferred from the ship to the car in the same manner, whether on a through bill of lading or not. In 1877, from January until September, through freights from Liverpool to the West on fourth-class goods were carried at l^shilliTigs and sixpence net per ton, equal to 13f cents per hundred pounds, to Chicago, and 14 to 15 shillings net, or 15^ to 16| cents per hundred pounds, to Saint Louis ; w hile at the same time ocean freight rates to New York alone from Liverpool were 12 shillings and sixpence and 10 per cent, primage for the same goods per ton; or, in other words, New York merchants were charged 10 per cent, more for the car- riage of the same goods from Liverpool to New York than Chicago merchants were ""^ charged for taking the same goods (through New York) 1,000 miles further ; the effect OI of this being to forcibly and abruptly take from the merchants of New York trade ,_^ which naturally belonged to them and give it to the merchants of Chicago. I do not think that any common carrier has the right to thus abrogate or be a party to abro- gating the natural advantages which a community may enjoj'. Such practices un- questionably make investments uncertain, discourage legitimate business enterprise, and should be prohibited by law. Discrimination of this kind is a protection of for- eign manufactures against home manufactures ; for instance, the hardware manu- facturers of Birmingham and cotton manufacturers of Manchester can lay down their products in our Western markets chea4)er than the manufacturers of the Eastern States can. The former owe no allegiance to our government, pay no taxes, and are com- mercial "car|)et-baggers"; the latter are American citizens, and are entitled to fair treatment. The above is an examjde of the constantly-recurring anomalies in com- merce at the present time, resulting from the control of steam-power by large organ- izations of capital, and which must be regulated in the interest of the public unless we would build up class distinctions and perpetuate a moneyed aristocracy. I would pro- hibit such practices by State and, if necessary, by national laws, against charging 1 C CD c mvw^'^'i^T^-^ :^,^^A JfeiE*w-■;^i**^ 2 APPENDIX. more for the carriage of freight for a less than for a greater distance, except where the principle of rednced cost entered into the (inestion, anroduction, of what countries thev are the product. It is the object of this in^ to brinLr cars and ships together ; but, as stated elsewhere, these have been and are being remedied! The foregoTng applies more especially to the second division of the ques- rio viz^vhere goods ha^ve direct transshipment from ship to car, or luce verm ;hnt as regards those charges upon commodities ''in their passage through New \ork in iTieSmar course of trade " the question of merch.tlhts' profits is involved and this is .nar morl importance on the greU miscellaneous class of goods than the mere at- te, ai t expenses, such as cartage, storage, labor, &c., which do not ^^^^er niater ally in the different seaboard cities, and in the aggregate amount to an exceedingly s all ercenta-e upon the cost of valuable products. On this great miscellaneous class, hTch compri^ses a thousand and one items, New ^'ork possesses «"l>«ta"tial advan- ta"es Most of the large raanutacturers, both foreign and domestic, maintain agen- cie's here tbr the sale of their goods, which is thus done upon the east possible margin of profit; varieties are more extensive, affording the best possib e «f *^^t^«"' ;";^1;,«^« new and attractive styles are first shewn. These advantages, ^^^th the aggregation ot capital which has settled here, have resulted in attracting ^^'^^^ l,l'^Zro^^eZ holding in a much greater degree than couhl have been expected the trade ot the iia^ tC "n the face of the persistent discriminations which have been ^.J^f^^X In fZ York bv her railroad lines. This discrimination has, of course, resulted greatly to the detriment of her distributing merchants, who have had to relinquish a portion of their legitimate profits in order to make up for these discriminations and to offset the in- 2cemeiits offered by competing cities. In conclusion I ^ ""\^\ ^'-^y,' ^f '{^ *^«,^X^^^ to question 16, that there has been some misapprehension and too l>r"ad an applica- rion of the ag tarion by the citizens of New-York for improved terminal facihties, as i was designed principally to secure improved facilities for the handling ot gram arriving by rail, and other heavy goods for which direct transshipments from ship to car and from car to ship were a necessity. . , /. -i-i.- pxt^^ Question 13. Please to state generally those defects in the terminal facilities of New York City which injuriously affect it, in so far as relates to trade in which New lork competes with Boston, Philadelphia, and Baltimore. Answer. I know of no defects in the terminal facilities of New York, except those heretofore resulting from our inability, or more property neglect, m bringing cars and ships together; this applies principally to the handling ot grain amving from th^ West b^^rail designed for immediate export, and to the heavier class ot imported goods destined for consumption in the West upon which it is also necessary to make direct transfer from the ship to the car. We do not feel the first during a great part of the vear, owing to the superior facilities enjoyed by New York in having the Erie Canal, the canal-boats bringing this staple being at once towed alongside s^iP^ ^.J.^^:^^^!!^^* is to be sent abroad. And as regards impcnted goods destiiied tor the W «»*» /he recent authorization of the use of the Belt Line of railroad which runs along almost the entiie water front of the city has already enabled a beginning to be made in loading these varieties of goods directly from the ships upon the cars without cost of transfer and the full utilization of these facilities will place New York upon an equality with all ''''Question.'\4!^in your opinion, has not the rapid diffusion of commercial informa- tion bv means of railway postal service and the telegraph, in connection with the pos- sibilitv of rapid transportation afibrded by railroads, rendered it necessary that there should be at every citv on the seaboard an immediate contiguity of the railroad, the warehouse, and the sea-going vessels, and the establishment of such facilities in the way of mechanical appliances and business arrangements as will insure the hmest possible cost of transfer from one vehicle to another f In this ^'0""ection wil >ou please to state how far, in your opinion, the facihties furnished at New \ork fail to meet this requirment? ^ . i . /• j.- ^ i,^.«„+ixr Answer. Unquestionably the rapid diffusion of commercial information tends gieatly to equalize values in difiereiit commercial centers, and in ctmnection with the possi- bility of rapid transportation prevents the realization of large profits to the distribu- tor and irreatly reduces prices to the consumer. In consequence of this it has become necessary to reduce to the minimum all charges upon commeTce, andthe most approved appliances and facilities are also necessary. As to the defects in the facilities funiished at New York, they have unquestionably been unduly magnified. In enumerating the defects in the New York railway system many persons have entirely overtooked tiie great natural advantages enjoyed by New York in her magnificent ^^rbor and exten- sive stretch of water front, which, taken in connection with that great source of wealth, the Erie Canal, has sustained the commerce of New York under the discrim- ination of her raikoads, the burden of bad municipal government, and the enteri)risiug r^ b APPENDIX. coinix'tition of otiier seal)o;nd citit's. There lias heeu a jjreat cry that what New York iu'e;riiin. It may not be generally known that New Yoi:k has more elevators tlian any other city in the Union, but they consist ]»rincii>ally of stationary elevators at the various ^triw storaj^e warehouses and fl«)at- in«; elevators for the transfer of «:;ra in from canal-boats into sea-jroin«; vessels, this lat- ter variety moving about the harbor from i)oint to i)oint by their own steam and con- stituting a most effective instrumentality in our terminal facilities. The New York Central Koad has also one tirst-class elevator for receiving and storing the grain trans- ported by that road, and another is in process of construction. With these and tlie system of grading grain, which hms but just fairly come into general use, New York <-annot be said to be deticient in terminal facilitit's, at least those for tlie handling of ^raiu. Question 1;"). What has been the general effect of the west-bound apportionment scheme fnun New York upon the connnercial interests of that city, with s]>ecial refer ence to those interests in which it comi)etes with rival seaboard cities, and what, in your oi>inion, will probably be the effect of tliis apportionment scheme upon the future commercial interests of New York City? Answer. I believe that the general effect of the apportionment scheme out of New York, commonly known as the pool, up(m the connnercial interests of this city, with special reference to those interests with which it competes with rival cities, has been unfavorable ; not that an apportionment scheme is bad in all its features, but the rates at tirst established were so high that circuitous routes could cut lar";ely from the ])ool rates and still make money, notwithstanding their unfavorable location; second, owing to the number of lines in the apportionment scheme it involved the transfer of some freight from one line to another without the concurrence of shippers. This, in some cases, resulted in delay and inconvenience to the receiver of the goods, and savoring as it does somewhat of arl)itrary control over matters which had heretofore been directed by shippers or receivers of goods, it was an element of dissatisfaction which dealers in rival cities did not fail to magnify and make the most of. (As au illustration see letter clipped from the York York '^Shippiny Lint.^^) ''Railway mismaxagement. "Editors Shipping and Commercial List: "Gentlemen: As you re])re8ent, as well as any New York journal I know of, the business men of New York, I desire to call your attention to a matter that is driving the trade away from >our city faster than anythiug I ever heard of. It is the 'pool- ing' system of the trunk railroads out of your city. The W^estern l)uyer now has no choice of the way his goods shall come. The superintendent of the ' jmoF directs and divides freight to suit himself. Now, if all railroad companies did their business with erjual promptness and dispatch, and in a business-like manner, there would be no com- jdaint. But they do not. Some lines will bring goods from New York to this point in four or live days, and settle any loss for damages promptly, while others will take as long as three weeks, and it is a hopeless case to attempt to collect a cent of dam- ages from them. Some lines have pleasant, affable gentlemen for agents; others are represented by some blockhead of a relative of a high otttcial, who leaves his business to a boy, and is hardly ever to be found in his otfice, or when found knows nothing of Avhat he is hired to attend to. Now, to be forced to do business with such lines is an outrage. They were always forced to cut rates to get any business, and even then not get a fair proportion. We would rather ])ay more anrice, than deal Avith one of those 'snide' concerns that is always playing sharp and selling inferior goods. I have always given the preference to the Merchants' Dispatch Line, and can safely calculate on getting goods in four days from New York. If w«^ have any losses they settle them promi)tly. There are several other lines that do just as well— the Star Union for instance — but we started with that line, and as long as everything Avas satisfactory Ave made no change. Now^ Ave send an order by letter or telegra])h to our merchant in New York to ship us so and so by Merchants' bisi)atch. The mer- chants obey orders, but the Merchants' Dispatch gets more than their share of freight, according to the 'pool.' The superintendent of the '1)00!' directs that my goods Avith others, be taken OA^er to the Baltimore and Ohio, or Erie or some other road, and instead of getting my goods in four days I am out of them one, two, or three Aveeks. I have just received a lot of goods three Aveeks out, and damaged at that. I deople would give your city a Avid(i berth. If the railroad lines Avant to combine and keep up freights, let them 'pool' their earnings, and give the shipper the privilege of sending his goods as he may choose. Whether the New York merchants know this or not I am not aware, but as it has been going on nearly *a year, and they are ai)j>arently taking no steps to break it up, the only recourse a "Western buyer has is to let NevA^ York severely alone. I bought over !$50,()00 Avorth of ^oods in New York last year — a small amount — but there are more like me, and New Y'ork will get as little as possible this year. " Very respectfully, "SUBSCRIBER. "Indianapolis, March 29, 1878." Had the rates of the pooled lines been fixed on a basis Avhich AA'ould yield but 10 per cent, on the capital actually paid in by the stock and bond-holders, and all s])ecial con- tracts been abrogated, the apportionment scheme might liaA'e proA'ed a substantial benefit, but there has been a strong feeling in the commercial community that it Avas an effort to abrogate by the pow er of a monopcdy the ordinary laws of commerce, Avhich laAvs, if left to Avork, would decree the failure and licpiidation of these roarobably Avill continue to be for all time, to pay dividends upon the entire mass of obligations thus issued. In vicAV of such facts as these, any apportionment scheme Avhich involves fhe charging of rates higher than Avould be necessary to pay a fair return upon cajntal necessary to honestly construct the roads of which the combina- tion is composed, must proA'e detrimental to the interests not only of New York City but the Avhole country. Question 16. Please to mention the particular branches of trade which haA^e been to any considerable extent deflected from New York to other Athantic seaports during the last five years, and state tln^ opinion generally entertained among the leading mer- chants of New York as to the cause or causes which have led to such changes in the course of trade. Answer. In export trade large quantities of business, principally grain, liaA'c been diverted from New York to Baltimore and Philadelphia during the Avinter season Avhen the great natural advantages Avhich New York enjoys are neutralized by canal uaA'i- gation being closed, and it is at this time of the year that the distance allowance in favor of Baltimore and Philadelphia, together with their heretofore somewhat cheaper terminal charges on goods arriving by rail and destined for export, operate greatly to their advantage. That this distance alloAvance is unjust is proved by the opinion generally entertained by experts, that, owing to the volume of business done, it ac- tually costs the railroads less to doNcAv York business than it does either Philadelphia or Baltimore business, and this is virtually conced«'d by all the roads making uniform rates on import and export freight from and to foreign countries through all the ports. It is disproA'ed also by gi ving to Boston ecpial and in some instances loAver rates, not with- staudiug her distance to principal Western cities is greater. The foregoing relates |)rinci- pally to export trade, l)ut the discrimination against New York on her importing and distributing business is perhaps the most important and flagrant of the two. Goods J^ ' 8 APPENDIX. Lave been habitually carried on special contracts, to jobbing points in New York State and beyond, for a few favored wholcHale merchants, at pric<'8 ranginff from one-lmlt to one-third those charged to the general public. This practice has had the ettect to lorcibly take from wholesale merchants on the seaboard and give it to Avholesale merchants at interior Jobbing points. This is notably true of the dry- goany, Atlantic Dock, Brook- \Ti, office 5 Moore street, Ne» Active Union and Hilly er, each 3,000 bushels Manhattan. 4 000 3,000 4,000 2,500 3,000 1,000 40, 000 3, 000 CI 15,000 32, 000 8,300 25, 000 16,000 6,000 3,000 1,500 8,000 3,500 2,000 6,000 5,000 Total (17 stationary and 34 floating elevators) 16, 420, 000 279, 800 ^•^^iSXr-^XTf^Jitz. 10 APPENDIX. Question 20. Within what area in this conntry is the grain trade of New York con- fined? This inqniry rehites to the territory snpp lied with grain and flour from the New York market. Answer. The domestic area supplied with flour and grain from the New York market is very limited, l)eing oonHned to the environs of New York and a few points along our seacoast. Formerly almost the whole of New England was 8up])lied from New York, but the distribution of flour and grain by rail during the past few years has attained large proportions, and now the whole interior, as well as most of the small seaporls, are supplied by direct shipments from the West by rail. Of the enormous quantity of cereals and their products which find a market in New York by far the larger proportion are destined for export, but of course, with a i)opnlation exceeding two millions within the circle of a few miles, the local consumption is also consider- able. New York, however, depends principally upon her export trade, for which, owing to her being the principal seaport of the country, and having large numbers of steam and sail lines to all parts of the world, she enjoys superior facilities. Question 21. Please to mention the advautages Avhich, in your o])ini()n, have re- sulted from the formation of the New York railroad ap])orti(>nment scheme — Ist. In preventing discriminations as against the iuterests of interior i)oints, like Buft'alo, Pittsburgh, Cleveland, Detroit, Toledo, and Cincinnati, anecial contracts to wholesale merchants in Western cities, although there are indications that this rule has been broken in some instances. There is, unquestionably, an advantage in the stability of rates, provided they be reasonalde ; but the high rates charged by the pooled lines in a great measure de- feat this object. One serious break occurred owing to the competition of the Grand Trunk Road. Roundabout lines were able to divert considerable traffic, and various ovasious have taken place, as there always will when excessive tariff's are sought to be enforced. [Note. — As one of the anomalies in railroad management I may here nu*ntion that east-bound rates, with a full traffic, are usually much less than west- bound rates (at the present time. May, 1878, nearly 100 per cent, less) ; and this not- withstanding about two-thirds of the cars are hauled back to the West empty. A usual law of business is that the snuiller the volume of business the stronger is the competition to secure a share of it and the more slender are the profits; in this in- stance it is precisely the reverse.] Local or non competitive rates have not been af- fected by the apportirincipal seaboard cities. It will, to a considerable extent, remove the excuse which New York roads have urged with some force, that New York did not extend to them the same facilities which other seaboard cities extended to their roads; and it is to be hoi>ed that it is 0, aud pays 10 per cent, over to this syndicate for their personal use and benefit. If there is a happy combination of circumstances, such as absence of financial disturbances, suspensicm of the banker, «fec., and if they get all the counties, cities, and towns along their route to issue bonds liberally, the road may be finally built and furnished with rolling stock ; then our worthy friends of the board of management diviresent railway system. The ])eoi)le of this country are beginning to lind that these ,0()0, but a considerable portion of the share capital had not been paid in. The eplies and materials purchased and used in the various depar^ ments. Paymasters have been known to levy a tax upon all orders accepted and paid by them. "And, in addition to all this, lavish and extravagant ex])enditure by the managers has been the rule rather than the excei)tion. The money paid by the public for trans- portation, instead of being carefully husbanded and applied to the payment of the proper dividends to stockholders, has been used to influence legislation, and much of the corruption among men in public life may be traced directly to this source. The history of the Credit Mobiler is yet fresh in our minds, and in the report of a committee appointed by the legislature of the State of New York, in 1872, to investigate the affairs of the Erie Railroad, we find the following : * It is furlher in evidence that it has been the custom of the managers of the Erie Railway, from year to year in the past, to spend large sums to control elections and to influence legislation. In the year 1868 more than $1,000,000 was disbursed from the treasury for ' extra and legal services.' For interesting items see Mr. Watson's testimony, pages 33ii and 337. "Mr. Gould, when last on the stand and exaudued in relation to various vouchers shown him, admitted the payment, during the three years prior to 1872, of large sums to Barber, Tweed, and others, and to influence legislation or elections; these amounts were charged in the ' India-rubber account.' The memory of this witness was very defective as to details, and he could only remember large transactions ; but could distinctly recall that he had l)een in the habit of sending money into the numerous districts all ov(^r the State, either to control nominations or elections for senators and members of assembly. Considered that, as a rule, such investments paid better than to wait till the men got to Albany, and added the significant remark when asked a question, that it would be as impossible to specify the numerous instances, as it would to recall to mind the numerous freight cars sent over the Erie road from day to day. (See testimony, p. 556.) " It is fiot reasonable to suppose that the Erie Railway has been alone in the cor- rupt use of monev for the purposes named ; but the sudden revolution in the direction of this company has"^laid bare a chapter in the secret history of railroad management such as has not been' permitted before. It exposes the reckless and prodigal use of money, wrung from the people to purchase the election of the people's representatives, and to bribe them when in office. According to Mr Gould, his operations extended iutol.four dif- :f^i p ■te^^ir I I I J 1 14 APPENDIX. fereut Stato.s. It was bis custom to contribute mouoy to influence botb nominations and electiouiJ.' "Tbe foregoing will serve to indicate tbe defects and abuses of our present system of railway management, althongb tboae we bave enumerated are bj' no means all of tbem. We may now, however, properiy proceed to consider tbe remedies. "Tbia oi)ens up a wide range of discussion, but wo propose to confine ourselves to those remedies which experience has denu)nstrated to be practicable. State regubi- tion of railways by making laws which fix rates is, as a whole, impracticable; the moment you attempt to regulate the details of railway management by specific enact- ments, that moment you fill the statute-books with a mass of laws which benefit only the members of the legal profession. ''There are, however, certain general laws which work well in practice, and which every State should enact for the regulation of railroads which are exclusively within its borders. ** Under this head we may enumerate the following : *' 1. A law providing a board of railway commissioners, with jiowers similar to those possessed by the railway connnissioners of Massachusetts. '*2. A law to prevent stock inflations similar to the one now in operation in Massa- chusetts. "3. A law providing for the publication at every point of shipment of rates and fares, embracing all particulars regarding distance, classifications, and rates, which should be the same to all persons under similar conditions, and prohiluting the increase of such rates above the limit named in the publicaticm without giving the public reason- able notice. *'4. A law prohibiting oflQcers or directors of railways from either directly or in- directly owning or becoming interested in any non-co-operative fast-freight line or car company, or from being interested in any manner in the furnishing of supplies to any company with which they may have official connection. "5. A law ])rohibiting railway com])anies from acquiring or holding more real estate than is necessary for the operation of their roads, and probihiting railroad comi>anie,-j or otficers of companies from engaging in mining or any business other thaii thai; of transi)ortation. " 6. A law niaking it a penal offense for any public official to accept or use the free- pass of any railway company, and prohibiting railway companies from granting such passes to any but regular emi)loyes of such railways. '*7. A laAv proTiding that all conunon carriers shall receipt for quanfitt/, whetheT it be of grain or other commodities, and to deliver the same at its destination. "8. A law prohibiting represent a tivcM of the people who belong to the legal pro- fession from iM'ing retained on either side in cases where the public interest is involved. " Of these all but the first should also be national laws, and in addition Congress should also provide a dejiartment or bureau of commerce, for the j»urpose of obtain- ing and preserving statistics relating to our internal commerce, to the end that intel- ligent conclusions may be arrived at in matters pertaining to this great interest.. There is no one thing that strikes the student of the tran8i)ortation problem so forcibly- as the amazing carelessness and neglect that has left a connnerce so great without the ordinary facilities for obtaining even a correct idea of its extent. The total of th« exports anorations." And these opinions have since been substantially confirmed by the decisions of the United States Sui>reme Court in the "granger cases." In view of these broad princi- plesof equity, so authoritatively defined, it is, perhai)S, not toonnichtohope foragradual elimination of the abuses in our transportation system which have so long been a bur- den upon the industries of the people. Statement prepared by Mr. Thnrher, in reply to an inquiry touching the influence of capital upon the course of trade, and the rdative power of capital and of the economies of trans- portation upon prices and upon the course of trade. Sir: In answer to your supplementary question in regard to ''the influence of capi- tal upon the course of trade," and in which you recjuest an expression of my view* upon "the ]>ersistent power of the capital of New York City toward maintaining her commercial supremacy," I would say that it is manifestly imi)08sible to condense within a few pages a satisfactory answer to a question which opens up .more or less directly a wide range of politico-economic questions, but I may sunnnarize them as follows: First, while capital undoubtedly does exercise a considerable influence as hereinafter sl^own, it is entirely .subordinate and secondary to other essential condi- tions. Great connnercial cities are dependent upon geographical position, upon cli- mate, upon harbors, upon acces.sibility to the .sources of supply of the products which make connnerce, and in later years, perhaps more than all, are de])endent upon trans- portation facilities which are" nu)st potent in attracting or repelling connnerce. Of course capital has much to do with providing tran.sportation facilities; and ca])it*il controlling the jiower of steam has done much to change the channels of trade which hall or CAen a qnarter of a century since were thought to be fixed and innnovable. It is in this direction, perhaps, that the power of capital in controlling trade is most noticeable. Englislrcapital invested in .steamships has reached out to the four (luarters. of the globe, attracting the connnerce of the world to English markets. In this coun- try the capital of the seaboard States, and to a considera])le extent that of Europe, invested in railroads, has carried the productions and sui>plies of the great West over mountains and rivers along our paraUels of latitude, when it would seem l>y all the natural laws of trade they Avould have sought the .seaboard by means of the great rivers which iienetratetbe'country longitudinally ; and capital embodied in the labor- saving, wealth-creating, wonderful steam-engine has revolutionized the entire com- mercial, jxditical, and .social organization of the world. Bnt this ])ower has become .so widely diflused, and is so generally used by all the great commercial cities, that it may be said the greater cai)ital which New York controls does not, in the way of transportation facilities, give her any advantage. Indeed, as regards railroads, she may be said to be at a disadvantage, for her railroads are controlled by peisons who selfishly (and I believe shortsightedly) operate them without regard to the commercial interests of New York, and thus abrogate, to a considerable extent, thy advantage which New York has long enjoyed of having during .seven months of the year Avater trans^portation Avhich has, jirobably more than anything else, contributed to her commercial supremacy. There can probably be no moie striking exanqde of the poAver of capital iuA-ested in tran.sportation than Avhat has been accomplished hy the few millions which the people of the State of New York Avi.sely invested in the Erie Canal, lint I have perbajjs said enough ui)on the i>oAver of capital in- vested in transjjortation facilities controlling trade, and Avill uoav proceed to con- sider how far the influence of capital controls trade at certain centers and upon certain lines by capitaliziny commodities in movement. In your connnunication you say : "I have seen it stated that the capacity of capitalizing commodities in movement by drawing again.st a fixed time in transit and deliA'ery, upon the basis of the value of the commodity, exercLses a .strouger influence oA^er prices and over the cour.se of trade than does the economy of transportation." So far as the influ(»nce over prices is con- oemed, this may be correct. If there be not suflicient cajntal to moA-e the commodities produced, they naturally decline in value, or, in other Avord.s, more Avould have to be given for a dollar than if ^the supply of capital was in larger ijroportion to the supply 16 APPENDIX. of commodities to be moved. This tnitli is doubtless at the root of the popular demand HI many parts of tlie country for more currency, but when we consider how infinitesi- nial IS the proportion of the exchanges effected by the gold, silver, and paper currency of the country as compared with checks and bills of exchange, the importance of this issue sinks out^of sight, and I cannot l>ut conclude that it has assumed undue impor- tance among the public questions of the day. How large the exchanges effected bv other mediums than the paper and metallic money of the country it i^ impossible to say or even to estimate but we may catch a glimpse of its immensity in the transac- I^^V/ ?!*" New York Clearing House (which, as is well known, is a contrivance i^ vP^?nf'iii~ i^i'te^^ ^'^''^ ^V^^l with each other), and which were during the year of 187/ $24,663,240,003, nearly all of which was in the form of checks and drafts, and It 18 n(^ perhans too much to say that all the currency in the United States could not have effected these exchanges which were so quietly and easily done by these bits ofpaper. The idea has gained a wide circulation that bank capital is employed in grinding the face of the poor and cheating the producer out of the proceeds of his labor, but I think a careful examination will show that the efforts of railroads to earn inter- est and dividends upon their watered securities by charging exorbitant rates of freight IS a greater burden upon all classes of citizens than the interest paid by bor- rowers upon the capital borrowed. In the latter case, at least, the bonower pay's only npon what he receives, and he has the opti(ui of whether he will borrow or not ; in the lormer, the public are obliged to use the accommodation furnished by the railroads and to pay the amount demanded for the service. I cannot better illustrate the services performed by bank capital than by quoting the words of Professor Sumner, whosaysthat " banking capital renders very important jer>'ices in that it throws the burden of waiting between producer and consumer on the idle capital of the country and releases the capital engaged in production so that It can be at once re-employed. Modern commerce cannot be carried on without bank- ing tacihties ; they are part of the modern system. The economy is obvious and enoi- mous, banking capital making commerce move many times more rapidly than it could without banks." I might pursue this branch of the subject into commercial credits, which still further increase the tacilities of exchange. They are of course founde«l on capital, but depend largely on other considerations, and can be amplified many times beyond the amount of the capital upon which the credits are based; but to return to the proposition 'Hhat the ca]>acity to capitalize ccmimodities in movement exercises a stron^tT influence over the course of trade than does the economy of transportation," I must say that [ do not think it is borne out by the facts. The reasons for this are given so concisely and forcibly in a paper by Mr. A. E. Oir, a merchant of this city, that I quote themak an expression of my own views, as follows: /* The proposition that the persistent power of the capital of the city of New Yorl- wiU maintain her commercial supremacy is, in my opinion, a fallacy, 'and one which If persisted in as being the major element in maintaining supremacy will in time surely rob New |ork of her legitimate commercial birthright, because in holding this delu- sion closely in view she will continue blind to those influences which in the past few years have been so busy and of late so terribly energetic in competing with her for a, large part of her foreign and domestic commerce. "It is said the ostrich when closely pursued by its pursuers will bury its head in the sand, and in this position imagine itself safe from harm. New York is not alto- gether tree from the responsibility of having practised the foolish confidence of the ostrich W hile Canada has been actively enlarging the Welland Canal, Boston boring through the Hoosac Mountains, Philadelphia and Baltimore opening up new paths to the granaries of tlie great West, whilst even sleepy New Orleans has been deepening the delta of the Mississippi and awakening to the importance of attracting to herself the commerce of those States bordering on her great river and its tributaries. New York has done little else to retain her commercial acquisitions than study the records of the past, and when cautioned against the aggressive action of her seaboard sisters, noint to her bank balances and laugh at their attacks. *'I do not wish you to suppose that I fail to appreciate the importance of capital in relation to the course of trade. It is a very necessary auxiliary, and in a country where comparative poverty is the rule and means of transit limited and defective its sway may be all important to control and dictate. But in a country like the United States, where wealth is diffusive, where mercantile productions are 'almost limitless where means of transportation are su])erior to those of any country in the world and constantly increasing, and whose surplus productions are sought at her own seaboard by almost every civilized market, capital is not the controlling element that will local- ize commerce, but on the contrary the place that will present the most remunerative trading will be sought by capital. " New York W!is not always the financial center of the United States. In the early days of Amencan commerce, when she could only count her wealth by thousands other cities could point to theirs in tens of thousands. It was not until a producing REPORTS OF EXPERTS. 17 country became her tributary through the means of cheap transit facilities that New York began to assert her financial Jind coiumercial ascendancy. Then it was that the surplus of our home products sought her in trade, because they <;ould l»e jdaced here cliea])er than at any other market on the coast, an(| then it was that the products of the foreign looms were landed at her wharves, because they could be marketed in the interior to better advantage than by the more expensive routes offered by ot\utr sea- board cities, and be(;ause (and tins is a very impoitaut item in the calculation) tlir vessel whirh brought the foreign luxuries or ne(;essaries was assured of a return cargo of lioine-grown surplus producticui by c(uning to her'port. If the Erie Canal halus j>roduetionof the country sought her as a market, and then the trade that she had to otter the capitalist attracted to her his capital. "Let me giv«' you a juactical illustration of this law of trade which came to my notice only a few days ago. Two hundred thousand bushels of corn in Chicngo was seeking a market at the seabo.ard. The ((uestion ('(mtrolling its destinati(ui was not the financial strength of the city to be selected, but which market on flu* Atlantic coast would yield the largest return to the ship]»er. An M]»p1ieation cam<* to a linn in New York in tlieser bushel less than to New York.' And so the corn went to Baltimore; and just so much was addeortatioii eharges. New York capital followed it there for the reason that it was idle and Baltimore ottered it employment. "Follow this transaction a little further. Six vessels will find in Baltimore six cargoes of cecause she can supply them with return freights. Now what think you? Was it BaltiuKue's chea]M'r transpoitation charges, as against competing points, or New York's idle eapital tliat procured for the former all the advantages arising out of this corn shi})iu«'nt f "Having shown that capital is im]>otent to attract trade wlu'u opposed l»y the magnet of cheaper trans])ortation, let me first point out as nearly as ]>ossible the mciasuie of loss which New York sustained in this single transaction, and then suggest the remedy. "If the corn in (|uestion had come to New York at the same rate of transj>orfation as charged to Baltimore, six and a half cents ]>er bushel (including the terminal charges in New York), or thirteen thousand dollars would have been flu? a<;tual amount <*ontributed for transportation within the borders of our State. Of this amount tlu' State of New Y(uk would have received fVu- tolls I'i.OOO, and the industrial poilion of the ]»opulation f^l 1,000. These figures only represent the measure of the ]M>sitive known loss. The loss arising from the non-arrival of the six vess«*ls at our ]unt with their incoming cargoes, the handling and storing of these cargoes, and their final sale and transportation in great nuiasure into the interior can only be matter of conjecture, but must also be taken into the estimate of the total loss sustained. Nor is this all. Bal- timore having demonstrated the fact that she can give r«;turn cargoes to these six ves- sels, will imluce a return on their part to her i)<»rt with six additional companions, to the continued detriment of the foreign commerce of New York. "It has been shown that one-half cent per bushel or tin; sum of 11,000 turne«l this com from New York to Baltimore. It is also shown that the tax that would have been claimed l>y the State of New York, if this corn had passed through her canals, was $'2,000. It is therefore evident that it was the toll charge made by the State that turned the corn from New York to Baltimore, and that through that rotection, by means of large tariff' duties, stimulates over production of home manufactures. If a liberal policy had been extended to the city and State by making the canals free, these competitive routes would nt ver have been constructed ; and New York to-day would undoubtedly be, as she yet claims to be, the commercial metropolis of the United States f 2 I C n I ' ' -■/J'^!"^:' 18 APPENDIX. ti I of tl.c taxe, coUectea f„r the i"pp™t ofthe Se ? ■'^' ""'^"^"*'-' '"•""' «""> ''alf ;! L^'" ?"* *"'' >■<""' ♦•■>«' with