/ HOLUNGER pH8.5 MILL RUN F3-1343 f 668 :D33 3opy 1 1 SPEECH \fe/ J J X«jr-.- THE POLITICAL CONDITION OF THE STATES UTELY IN REBELLION; DiiLITERED IN THE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES, FEBRUARY 10, 1860. WASHINGTON: PRINTED AT THE CONGRESSIONAL GLOBE OFFICE. 1866. RECONSTRUCTION. The House having under consideration the Pres- ident's message, as in Committee of the Whole on the state of the Union — Mr. DELANO said: Mr. Speaker: I propose to examine the fol- lowing quesffon : what is the political condition of the States lately in rebellion ? Fonr years and more of war has produced great changes in the social condition of the insurrec- tionary States, and has materially affected the political relations heretofore existing between them and other States of the Union. These mighty changes cast uj^on us the momentous question which I propose to consider. The im- portance of this question has never been equaled by any subject presented to an American Con- gress since the formation of our Government. In my opinion, upon its proper solution depends not only the peace and prosperity, but the ex- istence of our country. Differences of opinion in regard to the condition of these States and as to the bestmanner of restoring them to their normal condition in the Union, must be ex- pected. These differences are not merely nat- ural, but necessary. Our forefathers in form- ing this Government, and in framing the great fundamental law for its control, encountered like differences of sentiment hi regard to the great organic law which they had undertaken to make ; but with a proper respect for the judgment of each other, and in a spirit of con- cession and conciliation, they entered upon their work, and accomplished itharmoniously. Let a like spirit animate this Congress. Let a proper apjireciation for honest differences among each other, or between ourselves and other departments of this Government, prevail Let us all be forbearing toward those from whom we ask a like exercise of charity, and I sincerely believe we shall be able to adjust the great measures before us, for the l^est interest and with the appi-obation of our common con- stituents, in such a manner as to juake solid the foundations of our Government. Thus the present threatening clouds will pass away, and universal peace and harmony be restored. I propose to analyze the condition of public opinion upon this question as it seems to pre- sent itself in this House. First, there is a class of persons who insist that the insurrectionary States are not only in the LTnion, but that they are States in the full- est sense of the term, having a right to demand representation on this floor. I do not know whether this cla'ss is willing to admit Repre- sentatives still seething in treason and rebel- lion, whose hands are red withthelJloodof our slaughtered countrymen, who are yet unv/illing to yield submissively to the great decisions of the war ; but whether or not they are so willing I do not belong to this class of politicians. 1 believe these States are in the Union and that they possess the right of local and domestic legislation ; that their proper relation with other States has been so interrupted and changed as to deprive them of the absolute right to demand the admission of members to this floor without conditions and jjroper qualifications for mem- bership. Secondly, it is insisted by another class that these States are dead, in the condition of con- quered provinces, subject to be governed by Congress in all respects as any other Territory. I have no faith in this theory. I do not believe the States have been destroyed, nor that they may be held a§ conquered Territories, and I propose to lay before this House and the coun- try, briefly as possible, myreasons for opposing this theory. The distinguished gentleman from Pennsyl- vania, [Mr. Stevexs,] in opening the debate upon this subject, announced the startling prop- osition that these States are dead! It was put forth, manifestly, as the theory which was to guide the majority of this House in their delib- erations and legislation in the important ques,- tions of reconstruction. The sagacity and in- fluence of the honorable gentleman wlio made 4 this announcement are acknowledged and felt in this House and throughout the country. His capacity to understand the remote consequences of any position he assumes, and to trace those conseeiuenccs to their full extent and inHuonoe no one appreciates more fally than myself. I was, therefore, naturally and necessarily alarmed to see this proposition coming from an acknowledged leader of the House at the open- ing of this debate, under circumstances justi- fying the apprehension that it was to guide and lead this House to its final conclusion upon the subject. 1 niakethese observations to justify myself in giving so much attention, as I shall give, in these remarks, to what has been said by the gen- tleman from Pennsylvania. That I may do the gentleman no injustice, I make the following quotations from his speech of December 18, 1865. Of the States lately in rebellion, he says : "They have torn their constitutional States into atoms:, and built on their foundations fabrics of a totally ilifl'crcnt character. Dead men cannot raise themselves; dead States cannot restore their own existence as it was." Then, referring to the Constitution, he quotes from the third section of the fourth article the following: "New States may be admitted by the Congress into this Union." And proceeds thus : "In my judgment this is the controlling provision in this case. Unless the law of nations is a dead letter, the late war between the two acknowledged belliger- ents severed their original compacts, and broke all the ties which bound them together. The future con- dition of the conquered power depends upon the will of the conquerors. They must come in as new States, or remain as conquered provinces." In another place in the same speech he says: " To prove that they are and for four years have been out of the Union, for all legal purposes, and being now conquered, subject to the absolute dispo- sal of Congress, I will suggest a few ideas and adduce a few authorities." The learned gentleman then proceeds to show that the confederate States, during the war, were an independent belligerent, and were so acknowledged by the United States and by Europe, and were, therefore, precisely in the condition of a foreign nation with whom we were at war ; citing, in support of this position, several writers on the law of nations andthe decisions of the Supreme Court of the United States. Further references seem needless to show the position of the gentleman on this subject. The gentleman from Pennsylvania was soon followed by my honorable colleague [Mr. SiiEi.- labauoer] in an able and elaborate speech which appears tosastain,su))stantially,lhcsamc views. Tiaat 1 may do my colleague no injustice, I will quote a passage from his speech, showing that he considers the insurgent States as having lost the rights. and powers of government, and that the United States may and ought to assume and exercise these lost powers. Here, I may re- mark that I might quote many other passages to the same effect, but the one I am about to produce seems sufficient. My colleague asks, what is before Congress? And answers it thus : " It is, under our Constitution, possible to, and the . late rebel! ion did in fact so, overthrow and usurp in the insurrectionary States the loyal State governments as that during such usurpation, such States and their people ceased to have any of the rights and powers of government as States of this Union. And this loss of the rights and powers of government was such thatr^- the United States may and ought to assume and exer- cise local powers of the lost State governments." Mr. SHELLABARGER. Mr. Speal^er,^! certainly would not interrupt my colleague but for the remark that he made prefatory to that one in which he introduced an allusion to my- self. 1'hat prefatory remark compels me either j to arise for' the purpose of explanation or else to acquiesce in what is a mistaken interpreta- tion of what I said. Now, had he completed the sente.ice, apart of which he read, he would have found that in attributing to me the position which I under- stood him to attribute to me, he does me unin- tended injustice. I will complete the sentence, only adding that which is material for the ex- planation that I desire now to make. I must read the whole sentence so as to introduce and give the effect of the part omitted. It reads : "It is under our Constitution possible to, and the late rebellion did in fact so, overthrow and usurp in the insurrectionary States the loyal State governments as that, during such usurpation, suph States and their people ceased to have any of the rights or powers of govcrnmeat as States of this Union" — i Notice thati say ' •' during such usurpation" — " and this loss of the rights and powers of govern- ment was such that the United States may and ought to assume and exercise local powers of the lost State governments, and may control the readmission of such States to their powers of government in this Union" — Now, here Is the part of the sentence to which I desire to call attention — "subject to and in accordance with the obligation to guaranty to each State a republican form of govern- ment.'" Now, sir, my proposition is that it was the governing capacity or property alone that was overthrown, and that that state of things has intervened and occurred to make it the duty of i the Government of the United States, not to I hold these people as conquered Territories, but | to restore to them republican governments, and I that we cannot hold them, therefore, as con- j quered Territories, but that that holding is sulj- ject to that guarantee to which 1 alluded in the last part of the sentence. 1 know my distin- guished colleague will do me the justice to give me the benefit of the last and important part of the sentence. Mr. DELANO. Now, Mr. Speaker, before noticing the gentleman's remarks any further, J. will ask him — because that will settle the question without attempting to interpret what he has said heretofore— whether he believes that Congress has a right, under any provision of the Constitution, to exercise power over these States as Territories, or, in his own language, "to exercise local powers of the lost State gov- ernments'' under the present state of facts, and asthings now exist? This question, if answered directly, will bring the gentleman to an issue, and I shall understand him. Mr. SHELLABARGER. Mr. Speaker, I reply to the gentleman's inquiry by saying that I do hold, as I stated in that sentence, that there has occurred in the rebel States that state of things in which they have lost their "prac- tical relations to the Governmentof the United States," if I may be permitted to adopt the language of our late and lamented President. I care not Avhether you call that being in the Union or out of the Union. There is no need of our falling out here about mere. dialectics. My proposition is that, where a loyal State government by rebellion has been utterly swept av/ay, there does revert to the United States during that hiatus in the State government (if you will pardcBi the cxprc^ssion) such amount of "local control over the States as will enable the United States to render efl'ectual the provision of the guarantee? clause of the Constitution, and such as.will enable the United States first, to take care of the people during that interim, and next, and as speedily as practicable, to restore and reestablish a local State govern- ment, republican in form, within the State, which was never destroyed, and cannot be until the Constitution is overthrown. Mr. DELANO. . T thought, Mr. Speaker, that I did not misunderstand my colleague ; I still think so. I once had an acquaintance, the president of a railroad company, of whom it was said that he had a peculiar faculty of deciding against those whom Jie wanted to decide against by " letting them down easy." Adopting that illustration, I feel that my friend does come to the very con- sequences of the gentleman from Pennsylvania, although I admit he does not step off the preci- pice into the abyss by one single leap, but, as lie explains himself here to-day, he "comes down easy." He is, i-hen, in favor of this Congress exer- cisinglocal powers oflegislation for these States. He does believe (and that is the whole theory of his speech) that the powers of these States are overthrown and lost. If he is correct, then the gentleman from Pennsylvania is right, and 1 he States as pol i tical organizations are ' 'dead. ' ' They are without law, and chaos reigns, until Congress shall establish law for them. This places them in the power of Congress, subject to be governed as Territories and insid- iously opens the door to rule and govern, con- fiscate and destroy, as effectually as the gentle- man from Pennsylvania can desire. Mr. SHELLABAUGEU. May I ask ray colleague a single question? Vir. DI5LAN0. Certainly. Mr. SHELLABAilGEil. lam permitted, Mr. Speaker, through the courtesy of my most excellent colleague, to ask him a question, for which privilege 1 am obliged to him. I wish to ask the gentleman whether he holds that in that very condition of things, which by sad history we know has existed in those States, during which loyal State goverments have not in fadtbeen in existence, the United States can exercise no control locally for the purposes ot protecting the loyal people there and restoring State governments as soon as possible ? Mr. DELANO. If the gentleman Avill be patient I shall answer this question fully, it be- ing one of the questions I propose to examine during my remarks. That 1 may not seem to evade it, however, I will say here, while pass- ing, that in their present condition 1 do not believe they are so destitute of the powers of government as to authorize the United States to ' ' exercise local powers of the lost State gov- ernments," as my colleague exjjresses it. This theory of dead Slates was-rested by the gentleman from Pennsylvania upon the propo- sition that during the war Vv'e granted to the States in rebellion belligerent rights ; that we thereby acknowledged them to be foreign ter- ritory and a foreign Power, whereby we sub- jected them to the laws of conquest; that, hav- ing conquered them, they are now held as provinces, suljjectto our will -and pleasure. No respectable author upon the law of nations maintains the doctrine that the acknowledg- ment of belligerent rights during a civil war converts the insurgents into a foreign nation. Vattel says, page 424 : " When a party is formed in a State who no longer obey the sovereign, and arc pOi