0^ .-!.4J'% 9. ."Jy*^ . «> "-^^0^ •4 A ... - . A ^^^r A" .O^ « « « '^ .'k ^' > ■ay o <> O 'o . » - A, > ^ *. o .0- ,-$. x^^"-^ ^ SPEECH IVES, OF VIRGINIA^ IN 3UPP0RT OF MR. BENTON'S £'K]PUJ%'^IJVG .RBSOIjWTI&A''^, IN SENATE, MARCH 23, 183o. WASHINGTON : 3"'- AIR i. RIVES, PRINTERS 183(i. SPEECH. On Mr. Benton^s Expunglnsc licsolulions . Ih Sesatc, March 28, 1836. Mr. CLAYTON moved that the resolutions of the Senator from Miasouri should be taken up, in oi\ler that the discussion tipon them might pro- ceed. The motion being adopted, Mr. RIVES then rose, and addressed the Sen- ate, in substance, as follows: If no other gentleman, Mr. President, be dis- posed to do so, I will avail myself of the oppor- tunity KflTorded by the motion o tiie Senator from Delaware, to trouble the Senate with some remarks on the subject now under consideration. In doin.^ so, I do not propose, at this time, to po into the wide field of diversified and interesting' matter opened for discussion by the resolutions of the Senator from Missmiri. My purpose will be to confine myself, at present, strictly to the con- stitutional question which has been raised hs to the power of this body to expunge from its jour- nal an entry heretofore made upan it, trusting to the indulgence of the Senate, in a future stage of the discussion, to he permitted to present my views of the other highly important questions in- volved in the general subject. I propose thus to limit my remniks for the present, bec.iuse the constitutional que.stion is naturally and properly preliminary to all the rest, standing first in the order of discussion, as well as first in importance; for however justly obnoxious I deem the resolution of March, 1834, to the various exceptions which have been taken to it, it certainly ought not to be expunged, unless under the constitution we have the rightful .Tuthoriiy to do so It seems proper to confine my remarks, for the present, to this single view ot the subject, for the further re ivon that, as yet, this able and lucid arguments of the Senator from Missouri on the other branches of the discussion, have remained without any an- swer, or even an attempt to answer them. A free people, Mr. President, and especially the enlightened people of tliis country, are na- turally and wisely jealous of the observance of their fundamental law, and acutely sensible to any violation, actual or msditated, of its pro- visions. Hence it is that, in the warfare »f parties, appeals are so frequently made to this pa- triotic instinct in the public mind, and alarms, of- ten groundless and artificial, attempted to be raised in regard to the security of the constitution. Hence it was, 1 presume, that in the memorable contest of which this chamber was the theatre two years ago, the Presidei.t was denounced as an usurper of un.:,''rantcd power, as a violator of the Gonstit'ition and the laws of his country; when if all that wjs alleged by his adversaries could be su>*tained, it woidd have niide but a case of the misapplication or abuse of power granted both ^-^y the constitution and the hws. Hence it is, too,f suppose, tiuit on the piesent occasion a ii'iu pania is attempted to he raised by huldmg up tiie imae:e of mniilated records and a violated coiistiiuUon, and that the exercise of a lawful discretionary power over their own iournah und isroceedings, which has been known and admitted since the origin of legislative bodies, and is familiar in par- liamentary practice, wherever such bodies exist, is repi-esented as something monstrous, miquitous, antl even feloni'ius. If gentlenien expect, thus, by the use of strong languaire, bold assertion, and vehement denunciation, to ctirry the public judg- ment by storm, V.'.ey will, in ray humble opinion, find tliemselves wofully deceived. 'Die public mind ;s, at this moment, calm, self-b\lavicr'd, scri*- tiniz'mg, inquisitive, and mstead of mere asser- tion ami VHijue denunciation, it will require reason, argument, proof. It is In this fspirit, Mr. President, that I shaH proceed to the examinut on of the objection which has been made to the proposition under conside- ration, on the gronnd that it demands an .ict to be done which is for!.idden by the constitution. What, sir, is the argument of g "ntlemen on this subject, so far as argument has been attempted ? It is, that as the constitution requires that "each House shall keep a journal wf its proceedings," owcr would still be indispu- table. AVhere it has been deemed necessary and proper, for the public good, to vest any particu- lar power in the Governrnent, or a department of it, the constitution grants the power, and provides securities against its abuse in the structure and or- ganization of tlie Govei'nment itself. |'l he periodi- cal election of the public functionaries by the peo- ple, and for the most part for short terns, their re- sponsibility to their constituents, and the constant nfiuence and control of public opinion, are relied some, the reports of committees are enteretitut(m expiessly delegates to either kr.inch of the legislative department. Each House, bv the constitution, is " t-o choo-^ft its own Speaker or Preside'- 1, and other officers." — •* Kmh Houae, tihf), shall be the judge of the elections, returns, »nd iju'alifications of its own mcn.bers " — '^ Each Uoust: mar er."—"Ha'di House snail keep a j nirnal of its pro-j constitution in requiring a journal to be kept, by cecdinf,s, and, from time to time, publish the same, either House, of its proceedings. It is agreed on exeep'iiig -iich parts as may, in their judgment, | all hands, that the great object for which a jour- rtqiiire secrecy." I n regard to al! these powers and I nal is required to be kept, is to give authentic in- huictioH'f, a very l^rge discretion is necessarily left| formation to our constituents of our proceedings (t) either House, in the exercise of which abuses i and that information is to be given, as the consti; tution providis, by means of a publication, from time to time, of the journal itself. Tlie requisition to Ae^j) a journal, on wliicli gentlemen have laid so niucli strt-s.-i, is therefore merely inlrodu:to)'y, or what the lawyers call matter ot inducement only, to that which forms the life and substance of the jjrovision, to wit: the pub/icalion, from time to time, of the journal. The whole structure and sc- {jiience of tlie sentcr;ce sustains tliis interpretation. " Each House shall keep a journal of its proceed- ings, and, from time to tinie, publish tlie same" It is evident thit the whole practical virtue and ef feet of the provision is in the latter member of the sentence, and that the former would have been implied and conip-ehendi-d in it, though iu)t e.^pressed- It will be seen, that the correspond- ing provisi(m in the articles of confederation was founded explicitly on this idea; for, presupposing the keeping of a joiu'ital as a matter of cour^^e, it proceeded at once to require tiiat "Congre.ss shall publish (he journal of their proceedings montli'y, excepting ^uch parts thereof re!ati;ig to treaties, alliances, or military operations, as, in their judg- ment, require secrecy." Nothing was said of /re^/jiVi^r a j'>urnal, that be- ing presupposed, atid necessarily implied; but can any one doubt, tliongh the articles of confed' ra- tion were silent as to keeping a journal, tiiat Con- gress was as much bound to keep a journal of their prHceedings umler that instrument, as each H>>use is now bound to do under the existing con- stiiu'ioni' How coidd they make the required monthly publication oftheirjouriial,u!deS9 a journal were kept by themi* The requisition, therefore, in the present constitution to keep a journal, is but an expressio ), for the sake of greater fullness, of whitt would otherwise have been impl ed, and serves only as a more formal introduction to the practical end and substance of the constitutional provision on the si;bject, and that with which it emphatically concludes, to wit: the publicadnn from time to time of the journ..!. That publ ica- tioii once made, and the people put in pos'^ession of the authentic evidence of the proceedings ol their agents, the purposes of the cons'itution are fulHlled, and the jireservation of the original nianucr'pt journal become thenceforward an offi- cial form.iliiy.* Even if the true and only meaning of the requisiiiim to fe:eju a journal were that which has *It is a remarkable fact, that there i-; no original mmuscript journal oft he House of Representa'ives ii\ existence from the da'e of the adoption of the constitution to the lirst session of the I8tli Congress, 1823, '24. As soon as the jouruLd was printed anfl published, it ws supposed there was no longer any practical motive for retaining the original man- user. pt journal, which wa«, therefoie, never taken care of, or preserved. Such was the practice du- ring the whole pe-iod of tlie clerksliip ol'tl^eccle brat'd John Beckley, thin whom there never was a more accomplished clerk, and but few abler men; and i;' there hn i)ropriety in the maxim, cuilibet in sua nrtt creilendum es/, such a practical cottstruction of the constitution, in this regard, by a man so conversant with his business, must be admitted to be entitled to no slight consideration. been so much Insisted on, that is, to preserve, do not gentleman perceive that the preservation of the jourii:d is fully and most siirely accomplished in its publication'' The thousand and teti copies which the Secretary has twld us are regularly printed and distributed by order of the Senate to the members of Ctai(j Governments, to public in.stitutions and societies throughout the Union, fm-nish a far better security for the preser^'alior* of the journal thMU tlie most scrupnlous care and vestal guardianship of the original manuscript^ which, ia s[)ite of every j^reraution, might yet be lost or destroyed by inevitable accident. These iHidtiplied printed copies, while plicing tlie pre- servfitiou of the journal beyond the reacU of coiv- tingency, are, at the s.«me time, for every practical public use, whether of legal evidence or politic:il accountability, on a footing of equal validity witU the manuscript original. The numerou'-i parliamentary prcced-nts in England, as to the power '>f legislative bodies over their journals', are not denied; but it is coi»- tended that those precedents sUould have no weigiit heie, beciuse the constitution of the United States expressly reejuires that each House of Congress sha 1 keep a journal; while, in Eug^- l.-ind, it is said, no sucli recjuisition exists in regard to eilhur House of Parliainent. The requisition m the constitution of the United States, I h.'ive already shown, is but declaratory of the natural and jire-existing law of ait legisliitive bodie^Jof whose organizati III and functions it is a necessary and invariable incident to keep a journal of their jn'oceedtngs; and in this view I am borne out not only by the example of th'-- articles of confed' ra- tio;), but by that of several of the State constitu- tions, which, presupposing the keeping of a jour- nal as a matter of course, provide only, aftt-r the m-itnier of the articles of coiifederalion, for the periodical puhlicatiun of it frcnn tirne to time. But, without dwelling firtber on thi.-J view of the inattrr, it is alc< gether a mistake to say that there is no positive requisition th it either House of Par- liament in England shall keep a journal of their proceedings. 1 find the cla'^sic hisioiian of tliat country stating that, in 1607, when the na: be said, however, that thi'i Order, being- made by the body itst-lf, is lot obl'palory on its own action. To this,! reply, thnt the rules pre- scribeii by parliamentary bodies for their Govern- ment, are always binding- upon tliem. till rescinded or repealed; and while a nil- or order is retained, nothing- inconustent with it can be done.un'ess the rule be first suspended by a vote of the body. Such is ihe invariable practice, both of this and the other House of Congress, hs of Itgisla- tive bodies elsewhere. But this mutter stands on yet higher ground. An act of Parliament, which all vvil! udinit u binding- on the respective Houses, and wliich neither House can rept-ai or control by its sepiirate action, virtually requires a journal to be kept by the House of Consmons, in requiring certain en- tries to be made in it. I refer to the statute of 6 Henry VIII, which provides, "that the license for members departing- from their service, shall lie entered of record in the book of the cleric of the Pari ament, appointed, or to be appointed for the Commons' House." The book of the clerk for the Common.s' House, here referred to, and in which certa;n thiiig-s are requiied to be entered of record, is of course the journal of the House, P.ut how can these entries b - made in the ionrnal, unless a journal be kept. This act of Parliament, therefore, requires, and viriudly commands the keepmx of a journal by the House of t;ommons; just as the articles of confederation, already refer- red to, in providing- that Cong-ress "slmilpiil-Jivh the question in that discussion, had referred to the Engiish laws and doctrines, on the subject of the light of petition, and that he made use of the par- liamentary ])recedents from H:ttsell, to show that, in the British parliamentary practice, it was held HO violation of the right of petition, to refuse to re- ceive a petition. Mr. Rives Slid he had not had the pleasure of hear- ing the speech oft he gentleman from South Carolina, but he inferred from reading" it, that he consi lered the parliamentary practice of Great Britain as, at least, hii,'h authority in reference to the question then under discussion. I am not at all disposed, said Mr. Ji., to question the propriiety of the applica- tion then made by the Senator from South Caro- lina, of precedents from the Eng-lish parliamenary practice. I mean only to say, that however appli- cable they may have been on that occasion, they are, at least, as much so on the present. The precedents in the Britisli parliamentary practice, (which, it must be admitted, has furnish- ed the model, and, to a great extent, the law of the procpfdinfijs of our legislative bodies here, and in every State of the Union,) are, on the subject now under consideration, full, unequivocal, and conclusive. Som^i of them have been mentioned on this floor, anil are familiar to the minds of gen- t'emen. I wid not repeat them; but there are two cases, which, I believe, have not attracted the notice of gentlemen, and which, from the peculiar g-roundson which they stand, illustrate so forcibly tha hig-h supervisory and controlling pov/er of parliamentary bodi' s over their journals, that I will take the liberty of detaining- the Senate a few mo- the journal of its proceedings monthly," vu-tually I menis with their recital. fn'l668, Skinner, an En? requires Congress to keep a journal; for other wise, the lequired publication could not take place. The di.stinction, theref )re, which has been re- lied upon to justify the rejection of the British precedents on this subject, is not founded in a just view of the constitutional or parliamentary history of that country. The two Houses of Par- Jiament are, in fact, bound and required to keep a journal of their proceeding.s, as well as the two lish merchant, presented a petition to the King, complaining-ofvariou-^wrong-i! and outrages he had sustained from tiie East India company. The matter was considered not cog-nizable by the or- dinary tribunals and was referred by the King to the HoiiS' of Lords. Strong objections were urged to the jurisdiction of the House of Lords; but they, nevertheless, took cognizance of the affair,and final- ly entered a judgment in favor of Skinner, against - y „ ^" t" ">->->. uiiifj.^, na well ab lue iwo IV emereci a jiuigmem. in lavor oi oitinuor, againsi Houses of Congre.ss. They are bound to do .so by the Ea.st India company, for £5,000 dam;iges.' 'I his the very nature of their institution, by their own proceeding was immediately and earnestly resisted rules and orders, and by the virtud command ol by the House of Commons, as contrary to the law act of Parliament. If, therefore, a similar.tv, or I of the land, aid an invasion of the riglits of the commmuty.f principle could, in any ca^.-, jusii- tyarguuiLr from the institutions and usages of the one country, to those of the other, it is certuinly upon a question Ike the present. I find tlia't much use was made on another and recent occa- sion in this body, of British parliamenti-u-y prece- dents, by gentlemen who seem now inclined to disavow and reject them altogether. It I am not mistaken, the Senator from South Carolina, (M,- Calhoun,) on the qupstion which was so earn si Iv RHd ably debated here recently, as to the right oV tilher House to refu.se to receive a petition, mtro- oiiced liatsell's work, the great repository ol liritish p.i-liamentary precedents, and tlrew large- ly from It in support of the position he maintained, that It would be no violation of the light of peti- tioning, as guarantied by the constitution, to re- fuse to receive a petition alter presentstitm. Mr. CALHOUN here explained, and was under stood to s:iy that gentlemen on the other side of " » " • --0 • people. A viol-nt and protracted controversy en- sued between the two Houses; and the Lords be- ing compelled, at last, after a struggle of eigliteen i-Tionihs, and repeated prorogations of both Houses, to yield their claim of juri^-diction, they expunged from their journal the judgment they had entered in favor of Skinner against the East India com- pany, and tin; vvhole of their proceedings connect- er! with it; whereupon the Commons, in like man- ner, expungedi'rom their journal the vnious reso- lutions and proceedings they had adopted. In this instance, we see a proceedii g even of a jutii- cial character, under which private rights might be claimed, rxpum^ed, in virtue of the high discre- tion-irv authority of parliamentary bodies over their journ.-jls; and in such a case, perhaps, the ex- pnnction is admi-isible, mainly on the ground that the obnoxious proceeding took place in the exer- cise of an 77/f'o-«/jurisdiction, at last admitted to be such, and intended to be renounced, as in fact was finally abandoned, by the act of expon^M^? the judgement, which was its fruit. The other case to which I have alluded, oc- curred in the proceedings on the recognition bill in 1690. A clause was introduced into that bill, on the motion of the Whig party of that day, and the friends of the revolution, declar- ing that the acts of the convention Parliannent, though assembled without the formality of a royal summons, were good and valid. This was strong- ly objected to by the tory lords; a number of whom, by the leave of the House, entered their protest against it on the journal- The Senate well know that it is a distinctive and fundamental principle in the constitution of thi House of Lords, that any member or numbtr of members, dissenting from a measure which has passed that body, have the right, with the leave of the House, to enter a formal protest against it on the journal. In this case, the leave of the House was granted. The right of the pi-otesting lords became thereby vested and complete; and yet it appearing, on a subsequent examination of i\\e,pro- ordinarily read over in the morning, after it is made up by the Secretary, is simply to correct any mistakes which may have been made in the entries upon it. This is explicitly declared by the - , - , standing rules of the Senate, the very first of which on this prosecution, 1 hey have been treated by ! provides that the "President having taken the the .Judge of the District Court of the United ! chair, and a quorum being present, the Journal of States at New York, Mathias B. Talmadge, Esq, m such a manner, that the same grand jury which found the bills against them, made a presentment against the Judge himself, for his conduct in tak- the preceding day shall be read, to tlu end that any mistake shall be corrected that shall be made in the entries." Now, sir, in the precedent of 1806, there was »"g the examination and deposition of the said I no mistake in the entry which was ordered to be Samuel G. Ogden. And the memorialists, consi- 1 expunged. It recked' truehr, and in compliance dermg Congress as the only power competent to reheve then), submit their case to the wisdom of Congress, and pray such relief as the laws and constitution of this country, and the wisdom and goodness of Congress, may afford them; and the memorials were read, and, On motion. Ordered, That the memorialists have leave to withiU-aw iheir memorials respectively." with a positive injunction of the rules of the Sen- ate, the subSitance of the memorials presented, and the proceeding of the Senate on their presen- tation. There was and could be no allegation of any error in these respects. The entry was or- dered to be expunged, not because of any mis- take in it, but because the mailer of it was unj ist and wrong; because it v/ent to criminate the Ex- ecutive administration of the country, without These memorials appear to have been present- j proof or probability; and for that reason, ought «u m the morning.. After disposing of them, and | not to stand upon the Journal of a co-ordinate a variety of other business, the Senate took a re- cess, and met a-ain at 5 o'clock, P. M. The very last entry on the Journal of the evening session is the following order, adopted on ayes and noes, for expunging every thing in the Journal relative to the aforesaid memorials: " On motion, that every thing in the Journal re- ative to the memorials of S. G. Ogden and Wm. S. Smith, be expunged therefrom," it pn.ssed in the affirmative. Y);as: Messrs. Adair, Condict, Gdman, Kitchel, Logan, Mitcliell, Smith of Md. 8n.ith of N. V. Stone, Thruston, Worthington, and Wright— 13. PJats: Messrs. Adams, Bald- win, Hillhouse, Pickering, Plumer, Smith of Ohio, Tracy, and White 8." department. It is in vain, therefore, to endeavor to resolve the precedent of 1806, into the orilina- ry power of revising and correcting the Journal, before it is finally made up. It was a far difter- ent thing. It was no process of correcting ww- fakes m entries on the Journal, which is ordinarily done the morning after the entries are made, aiul without the formality of an order or resolution. It was the ex'rrcise on the part o*" this bod}', of a higher and more important power — a jiower not to correct mistake, (for there was none,) but to re- dress wrong — to purge its Journal — not of erro- neous entries, but of improper matter, in the en- try of which there had been no error or mistake; a power which, frcm the nature of it, and thfc 9 principles on which it is founded, must exist in as full force the next year, as the next tuorning after the objectionable entry has been made. No ingenuity, Mr. President, however great, no effort of mind.however gis,'antic, can ever succeed in the attempt which is made to reconcile the Sen- atorial precedent of 1806, with the doctrines of gentlemen who oppose the resolution now under consideration. On what, sir, is their whole argu- ment built? Is it not the assumption that each House of Congress, in being rcqtdred to "keep a journal of their proceedings," is bound to preserve to all futiu'e time the record of each, and all of their proceedings; that every act or proceeding of either House should be entered on the journal, and once !■)••«/?/ entered there, that entry can never thereafter be touched, altered or removed, but must remain us it is, without tlie change of a letter or a conima, to the •' last syllable of recorded lime." Now, sir, can it be contended, that the presentation of the memorials of Messrs. Smith und Ogden by a member of the Senate, the reading of those me- morials, the action taken upon them by the Senate, were not proceedings of which the constitution re- <-juiros a journal to be kepti* We have already seen that the rules of the Senate, adopted for the purpose of fultiliing ths injunction of the constitu- tion, expressly require all these things to be en- tered on the journal. Can it be pretended that tnese matters were not /ru/y; i: > ■ ed .' By no means! In every possible aspect,: \en, in which the proceeding' of this body In 180(3 can be view- ed, it utterly prostrates the whole fabric of tecluii- ca/ refinement on which the arguments of gentle- men against the power to expunge have been raised. A case of expunging, involving precisely the same principle and leading to the same conse- ([uence, occurred in the House of Representatives not many years ago. On the 25th of February, 1829, Mr. Randolph, of Virginia, being informed tliat Mr. Pinckney had just died in this city, (where he then was,) rose and announced the event to the House, with the impressive eloquence which the loss of such a man naturally drew from a genius of kindred inspiration, and moved un im- nied;;>te adjournment of the House. It afterwards appeared that Mr. Pinckney was not dead at the time tluit Mr. Rand dph communicated the event to the House, though he died some few hours after. The fact, however, of Mr. Ran- dolph's having announ'ied the event, and the con- sfquent adjournment of the House, were necessa- rily entered on the journal as a [)art of its pro- ceedings; and the following day, Mr. Randolph, alter au explanation of the <:ircumstances, moved that the entry on the jcurnul of the preceding day should be expunged, which was ordered, and ac- cordingly done. Now, sir, if the extreme, and I might well call it, superstitious strictness which is now inculcated in regard to the sanctity and invio- lability of entries or.ce made on om- journ.ils h id prevailed then, this expunctlon, however'simple a^d proper in itself, could not have been made. It will be remarked that there was no mistake in tiie entry made on the journal. The entry w:is not of Ml . Pinckney's death, but of t!ie fact that Mr. Randolph on a given day announcsi to the Hfuse that Mr. P. was dead, and then moved an adjournment. That fact was truly entered,^ pre- cisely as it occurred. If there had been a mistake in the entry, the motion would have been t'le ordi- nary one, to correct, and not the extraordinary one, to expnnge it. If, moreover, the doctrine now so earnestly contended for by gentlemen were well founded, tliat a transaction or proceeding in either House once truly entered on its journal, the entry must stand there to all future time, and can- not be touched or changed in a letter or a comma, without a violation of the constitution, then Mr. Kandolph, instead of the short and obvious reme- dy of an expunction of the entry of the prece- ding day, could have constitutionally attained his object only by a distinct entry of his explanation on the journal of the succeeding day. But, sir, the Senwtor from Louisiana, even con- ceding the power of each House over entries pre- viously made on its journal, contends that this power is limited to the current Congress, and that the Senate or House of Representatives of a suc- ceeding Congress has no control whatever over the journal of the Senate or House of Represent-, ativtrs of a preceding Congress. Without stop- ping to show that this argument, even if correct in its principle, would be wholly inapplicable to the Senate, whicii, from the successive partial re- newals of its members (one third of the whole be- ing replaced by new elections every second year,) is a perpetual body, I choose rather to meet the principle of the objection at once by demonstra- ting itsutter incompatibility with the nature of the legislative trust. It is a fundamental principle in regard to legislative bodies that, in theirordaiued succession by virtue of periodical ehctions, one Legislature has precisely as much and the sanie power as another; a law enacted by one Legis- lature, or in one session of a Legislature, may be repealed by another or during a subsequent session. What one resolves, another may rescind ; and in like manner and on the same principle, one Legis- lature has as much and the same power over the Legislative records as another. In this respect, there is an obvious and important distinction be- tween Legislative and Judicial bodies ; a supposed analogy in whose functions and proceedings has, doubtless, misled the hsnorable Senator. After the adjournment or close of the term of a court, its proceedings, its orders, its judgments, its decrees, are final and irrevocable, so far as depends on its own action. It has no power, as legislative bodies have, at a subsequent term or session, to revoke, change or set aside any thuig done by it at a pre- ceding term or session. Iferror has been committed, that error can be corrected after the expiration of the term only by a higher tribunal, and certain limita- tions of time are prescribed within which even these appeals to higher tribunals must be prosecuted. So imperative is the muxm^'inlcrest reipublicse ut sit fi- nis Idium," the pubic repose requires a limit to be fixed to judicial controversies. The nature of the legislative tru'^t, however, being altogether differ- ent, and ri-quiring that the exercise and expression of the public will should be, •.\t all times, unfettered in matters of general concern, every Legislature, or session of a Legislature, has an unlimited con- trol over the acts, proceedings, or resolutions of a preceding Legislature or session. 10 Gentlemen have been misled, as it seems to me, through the whole course of tiiis discussion, by a suppos'd analog-y between legislative and judicial proceedings, when, in fact, none exists. Either from the force of professional habits, or from a hasly consideration of the subject, we have heard legislative journals and judicial records constantly confounded, when no two things can be more dis- tinct. The security of private rights, titles to property, real and personal, repose on the judicial records of the country; and hence those records are everywhere guarded by proper penal enact- ments, against unauthorized interference, or any alteration whatever. But in regard to legislative journals, while they are necessarily confided to the sound discretion of the respective bodies wkose duty it is to keep them, private rights and the se- curity of property can never depend upon them. Impotant rights and interests may sometimes be claimed or acquired, I know, under legislative actsj but those acts, if laws, are never spread upon the journal; or if joint resolutions, they are enrolled and preserved, like the laws, out of, and indepen- dently of, the journal; and both are included in annual and authorized publications of the acts of Congre^.s, which are received in evidence in all the courts, without further proof of authenticity. Disrnlsslng for the present, Mr. President, the authority of precedents, there are cases in which, upon the mire reason oC the thing, I think all would agree that the right of this body to expunge an entry from its journal would be unquestionable. The constitution requires each House to keep a journal of its ''proceedings,-" tint is, I presume, its proceedings as a constVtuti-jnal body, acting in discharge of its appropriate constitutional func- tions. On this point, I beg leave to read a passage from Mr. Jefferson's Manual, the authority whicli especially governs our proceedings in this body; a passage which seems to me to have an important bearing on the question we have been considering. He says, "Where the constitution authorizes each House to det formal authority, of the people. Expunging is, in fact, the embodied and potential voice of the people, bursting, by its legitimate power, the 13 noors of Irglslative assemblies, and correcting', in the in«st solemn form, the deviutions and assump- tions of their servants. It necessarily implies a change in the public connc'ls by the operation oF tiie public wilt; i'ur the bodr, wliich h:is commit- ted an error or been ginlty <>f a'' usurpation, re- maining- constituted na i: w^s, will not be the wil- ling" instrument of correcting or expun(;ing its own wrong;. Accordingly, in every one of the cases Avhich I have mentioned, the final parlia- mentary action has beCH preceded by the ma- tured, the settled, the irreversible judgment of the public raind. In ^he case of Hampden and the Hhip-mnney, the prnceechngs which were expuriir. rii, to»k ])iice in 1637; the expunctlon followed, three years after, in 1540. \n the meantime, the public mind had been anxiously and intensely ex- ercised on the f-ubject; the question hid been liublicly an\d solemnly argued beforeall the. Judges in the Exchequer chamber, from time io time, tlirough a period of six months. After tlielr de- cision was pronounced, the merits of" that decision continued to furnish the theme of able and earnest discussion, at the liar of public opinion; and final- ly, the settled jud^mt-nt f^f the nation was car- ried into exec.utinn, by the order of the high court of Par isment, for expunging \.he rolls of the ob- noxious proceedings. In the case of Skinner and the East India Company, in like manner, the question between the two Houses was pendiner, and earnestly debated before the nation, for eighteen months; and the House of Commons was but the organ of the settled public ojiin'.on of the country, in finally wresting from the lords, the expunclion of their dangerous and illegal pro- ceedings, (n the case of the protest of the tory lords, in 1690, the great principles involved, bad been kept constantly before the public mind, by the prf)found interest awakened by the revolution of 1688, and the faithful and p«triotic wh'gs of that day but acted out a deliberate and foregone conclusion in the public judgment, by fTpun^xing a protest which assailed the vital principle of pop- idar sovereignty. In the case of the Middlesex election, the question had been pending- before the nation for fourte-^n long years; during which time it had been the subject of puijlic discussion in every possible form — popular, parliatnentary and legal; in meetings of the people, in betU Houses of Parliament, and incidentally before the judicial tribimals of the country. Public opinion was never more maturely formed, more fully ex- pressed, p>r more faithfully represented, than in the order for exinmirins; the unconstitutional and obnoxious resolution in that case. So it is, sir, on the present occasion. It is this day precisely two years since the resolution now proposed to he expunged was adopted by tiiis body. During the whole of tliat period, the pub- lic attention has been constantly recalled to it by able and eloquent debates hen- — by the searching discussions of the press — by tlie cslm and self-di- rected inquiries of the public inind. The subject has been constantly under the consideration of the people, in one form or another. Every temporary and artificial excitement has passed by, and the public judgment has been left to its own self- balanced wisdom to pronounce on the is5ue joined before it. Its decision, I believe sir, has bten made up, and, in creat part, pronounced. Eleven of the sovereign States of this Union have spoken, and spoken authoritatively, demanding the expunc- tion of this resolution frora o'.:r journ ds. There can be but little hazard in saying, that four or five more desire and would approve it, iliough they have not yet spoken in an authoritative form, probably because they have supposed it to be un- necessary to do so. The judgment of our constitu- ents, then, of the people and of the States, has passed on this transaction — I believe, irrevocably passed upon it. They consider the resolution adopted by this body on the 28th March, 1834, as irregul-ar, as illegal, as unjust, a* unconstitutional; and the more alarm mg, as proceeding from that branch of the Federal Legislature which is the most irresponsible, and as tending dangerously to increase its power, already sufficiently great. On these grounds, they demand that that resolution be expunged from our journal; and seeing not the slightest constitutional impediment to the remedial process for which they have indicated their prefe- rence, I for one, Mr. President, will cheerfully obev tlieir voice. w : It) ■^0 ^ ". '^o. .0^ V '^ aV ^' V > '^' ■^^'^: o - c » " " t "^O ^^ :^5m-5K:'. " ^o v' - > ^^ ^^. ,0- -^( .^ n c r\> ft N o _ f^^ '^ « o - •>\ .V . V . » . %i». -^ V ft « o '^ rv^ , « o . "^r^