BEFOEE THE Interstate Commerce Commission. PERISHABXE EBEIGHT I1ÍVESTIGATI0N. I. C. C. Docket 10664. BEIEF OF CAREIEES. H. G. Hebbel., E. H. widdicombe, A. P. Humburg, N. W. Peoctob, JoHsr M. Steenhagen, Duane E. Minaed, Elmee Westlake, Counsel for U. S. Railroad Administration. E, V. Fletcher, Of Counsel. Dated Chicago, November 1, 1919. 6UNTHORP-WARREN PRINTINS COMPANY« CHICAOO. TABLE OF CONTENTS. Paqe. Statement 1 Subject of investigation 1 Introduction 2 Genesis and iiurpose of the tariff 4 What the tariff supersedes 9 Divisions of tariff 10 Material changes which have been made in the tariff since it was presented to the Commission 13 Frincipal matters in controversy 10 Items 18 Section 1.—Rules 18 Section 2.—Rules . 19 •—Groupings . . . 20 —Principle of stated charges 21 —Measure of stated charges 21 Section 3.—Rules 22 ■—Principle of stated replenishing charges 22 ■—Measure of stated replenishing charges 22 Section 4.—Rules 22 —Principle of cost of ice per ton and salt per 100 pounds basis 23 -—Measure of charges for ice and salt 23 Section 5.—Itules 23 —Principle of stated charges for carriers' pro¬ tective service against cold 24 ■—iMeasure of stated charges for carriers' pro¬ tective service against cold 24 Section G.—Rules 24 —Principle of stated charges for protection against heat or cold 25 —-Jleasure of charges 25 Argument 2G Preliminary items in tariff 30 Items 1 to 22 30 Item 14 30 Item 15 31 Item 20 ! 32 Items 21 and 22 3G Owner's risk or carrier's nonliability 3G ii Section One 40 Rule 25 40 Soutbeni territory ; 40 Freight rates not inclusive of protective service 40 Rates on fruits and vegetables from southeastern territory 42 Florida 42 The Carolinas 54 Virginia 57 Georgia 58 lliscellaneous rates, classification ratings, and class rates 58 Rates on poultry and eggs.... Gl. Rates on fresh meats and packing-house products ■ 02 Rates not dealt with 02 Conclusions as to southeastern territory 03 Rates on fruits and vegetables from Jlississippi Valley territory 09 Eastern territory 75 C. F. A. territory 75 Eastern Trunk Line territory 94 iSre\y England 109 Western territory 120 Conclusion as to Rule 25 220 Rule 35 227 Rule 35 (B) ". 230 Rule 40 •' 231 Rules 45 and 50 239 Rule 55 247 Rule 00 ; • ■ ■ ■ 250 Rule 05 . . . 252 Rule 70 . . . 254 Rule 75 • • • 250 Rule 70 201 Rides 80 and 85 202 Rule 00 272 Rule 100 270 Rule 110 278 Rule 115 279 Rule 120 279 Rule 130 282 Rule 140 280 Rule 145 289 iii Section Two Rule 200 (C) 292 Rules 200 (D) aud 225 204 Rule 2C0 (P) 300 Rule 200 (G) ; • 301 Rule 200 (II) . 302 Rule 200 (I) 304 Rules 200 (K) and (M) 305 Rule 210 305 Rule 215 311 Rule 220 319 Rule 225 294, 321 Rule 230 323 Rule 235 ; 325 Rule 244 '..... 320 Rule 245 327 Rule 250 . . . 335 Rule 255 338 Half tank 340 Principle of stated charges 348 Measure of stated charges 380 Cost of Ice 413 Ice haulage 430 Switching 441 Supervision 454 Bunker damage 405 Hazard and profit 470 Section Two as applied to New York State. .....' 479 Discussion of exhibits submitted and testimony given with respect to the cost of the service of refrigerating ship- ■ ments of perishable commodities subject to proposed charges in Section 2 of the tariff in comparison with proposed charges, and views of shippers with respect • to proposed charges 503 Conclusions as to Section Two...... 525 Section Three ; 530 Rule 300 . . . 530 Rule 312 530 Propriety of westbound replenishing charge........ 531 • ■ Measure of westbound replenishing charge. 532 Section Four 537 Rule 400 •. . . ... 537 Rule 410 ■. 539 Rule 415 ... 540 iv Priucii)le of cost of ice per ton and salt per hundredweight basis 541 Measure of charges under Section Four 544 Section Five 547 Rule 500 547 Rule 505 549 Rule 512 553 Rule 512 (0) 554 Rule 512 (D) 555 Rule 515 • 556 , Rule 520 566 Rule 525 568 Rule 530 569 Rules 545 and 550 570 Carloads ' 573 Early history 576 Proposed charges 578 Witnesses and qualifications 579 Comparison of present and proposed charges ^. 582 Rates and services from western territory to Official Classification territory ; also locally within Official Classification territory 587 Canadian rates to Canada 589 Increases and decreases 590 Material and equipment, in addition to the car itself, needed with shipments under heater protection 592 Class of cars used 594 Factors and expenses thereof incident to heater service 596 Car heaters 607 Inadequacy of present charges 613 Inspectors, messengers and inspection points 613 Movement and growth of business 618 Switching service on heated cars 620 Service 622 Hazard 626 Canned goods 627 Bananas 629 Conclusion as to Section Five. 633 Section 6—less carloads 338 Section Six 643 Description 643 Rule 605 644 Rule 610 646 Rule 015 653 Rule 620 658 V Rule 625 Rule 030 662 IIow Section Six was constructed 668 Propriety of Section Six 672 Southern territory 672 Western territory 676 Illinois territory 707 OiHcial Classification territory 708 Questions of law 742 Conclusion as to Section Six 753 Fourth section departures 754 Fifteenth section applications 758 Concluding statement 759 Appendix A 701 Appendix B 785 List of Citations. Albert Miller & Co. v. Northern racific, 34 I. C. C., 157 38 Alfred O. Davies v. L. & N. R. R., 18 I. C. C., 540 747 Arlington Heights Fruit E.wiiange v. S. P. Co., 20 I. C. C., 106. .. . 04, 335, 349, 377, 380, 436, 437, 439, 440, 454, 465, 478, 095, 747 A. T. & S. F. R. R. Co., v. U. S., 232 U. S., 199 495 Bituminous Coal, Rates on, to Mississippi Valley Territory, 36 I. C. C., 401 66 Boston Potato Receivers' Association v. Bangor & Aroostook R. R., 25 I. C. O., 159 640 Brownell v. C. & C. M. R. R., 5 I. C. C., 155 527 California Railroad Commission v. A. G. S. R. R., 32 I. C. C., 17, 227, 436, 437, 439, 440, 478, 747 Campbell v. St. L. B. & M. Ry., 44 I. C. C., 567 301, 330, 350, 383 0. F. A. Class Scale Case, 45 I. C. C., 254 749 Coal & Coke Rates in the Southeast, 35 I. C. C., 187 66 Consolidated Freight Classification No. 1, 54 I. C. C., 471 718 Deciduous Fruit Case, 32 I. C. C., 17 227, 436, 437, 439, 440, 478 Fifteen Per Cent Case, 45 I. C. O., 303 749 Florida "Fruit & Vegetable Shijipers' Protective Association v. A. C. L. R. R., 14 I. C. C., 476. 66, 68 Florida Fruit & Vegetable Shippers' Protective Association v. A. C. L. R. R., 17 I. C. C., 552 50, 53, 66, 68 Florida Fruit & Vegetable Shippers' Protective Association v. A. C. L. R. R., 22 I. C. C., 11 43, 48, 66, 68 Gamble Robinson Commission Co. v. A. & B. R. Ry., 50 I. C. 0., 324 231, 747 Hale Halsell Grocery Co. v. M. K. & T. Ry., 42 I. 0. C., 491 231, 748 Hale Halsell Grocery Co. v. M. K. & T. Ry., 45 I. C. C., 523 231, 748 Hill v. N. 0. & St. L. Ry., 44 I. O. C., 582 673, 748 H. B. Williamson v. A. T. & S. F. Ry., 42 I. C. C., 11 350, 497 1. C. C. v. Stickney, 215 U. S., 98 385 In the Matter of Private Cars, 50 I. C. C., 677 237, 544, 748 Kansas Carlot Egg Shippers Association v. B. & O. R. R., 53 I. C. C., 59 731, 752 Longo Fruit Co. v. Hi. Traction Co., 38 I. C. C., 487. 660 Loretz, Pegram & Co. v. Southern Pacific Co., 51 I. 0. C., 158. .350, 384 Melon Refrigeration Charges, 38 I. C. C., 62 350, 382 Miller & Co. v. N. P. Ry., 34 I. C. C., 157 38 .Mississippi R. R. Comm. v. New Orleans, 42 I. C. C., 574 350, 382 Montrose & Delta Counties, etc. v;. R. R., 34 I. C. C., 400 350 Mountain Ice Co. v. D. L. & W. R. R., 15 I. C. C., 305 236 National Poultry, Butter & Egg Association v. B. & O. S. W. R. R., 43 I. 0. C., 392 729, 743, 748, 750 vil Xational Poultry Butter & Egg Association v. B. & O. S. W. R. R., 51 I. C. C., 34 721, 723, 729, 742, 743, 750, 753 Norfolk & Western v. Conley, 230 U. S., 605 29, 747 North Dakota v. Northern Pacific, 236 U. S., 585 29, 747 North Pacific Fruit Distributors v. N. P. Ry. Co., 40 I. O. 0., 191 231, 748 Northern Potato Traffic Association v. C. & A. R. R., 44 I. C. C., 426 231 Platts V. N. Y. N. H. & H. R. R., 43 I. C. 0., 504 118, 745, 748 Potatoes in Refrigerator Equipment, 34 I. C. 0., 255 231, 233, 748 Private Car Line Case, 50 I. C. C., 677 237, 544, 748 Protection of Potato Shipments in Winter, 26 I. C. C., 681 577 Protection of Potato Shipments in Winter, 29 I. C. C., 504 577 Providence Fruit & Produce Exchange v. N. Y. C. R. R., 33 I. C. 0., 294 497 Railroad Commission of California v. A. G. S. R. R., 32 I. C. C., 17 227, 349, 379, 747 Railroad Commission of Texas v. A. T. & S. F. R. R., 20 I. C. C., 463 212 Rates on Bituminous Coal to Mississippi Valley Territory, 36 I. C. C., 401 66 Refrigeration Charges on Fruits and Vegetables from Colorado, 29 I. C. C., 653 349, 385, 499 Refrigeration Charges on the Kansas City Southern Ry., 26 I. C. C., 017 349, 385, 677, 745, 747 Refrigeration Rates from New Orleans, 31 I. C. C., 637..378, 669, 670, 747 Rental Charges for Insulated Cars, 31 I. C. C., 255 231, 747 Rules Governing the Transportation of Potatoes in Refrigerator Equipment, 34 I. C. C., 255 231, 233, 748 S. L. & S. W. Ry. V. Grant, 174 S. W., 714 319 Southern Pacific v. Interstate Commerce Commission, 219 U. S., 433 488, 516 Southern Ry. Co. v. St. Louis Hay Co., 214 U. S., 299 479, 746 Stickney ads Interstate Commerce Commission, 215 U. S., 98. .385, 745 Superior Commercial Club v. Great Northern Ry., 25 I. C. C., 342. . 516 Texas R. R. Commission v. A. T. & S. F. R. R., 20 I. 0. 0., 463 212 Unit Marketing System v. St. L. B. & M. Ry., 48 I. C. C., 510. .350, 490 Wattam v. N. P. R. R., 37 I. C. C., 101 301, 330 Westbound Replenishing Charges, 34 I. C. C., 140 532, 533, 534, 535, 536 Willamette Valley Lumber Case, 219 U. S., 4.33 488, 516 Williamson v. A. T. & S. F. Ry., 42 I. C. C., 11 350, 382, 497 BEFOEE THE Interstate Commerce Commission. PERISHABLE FREIGHT INVESTIGATION. I. C. C. Docket 10664. STATEMENT. I. SUBJECT OF INVESTIGATION. This is an investigation instituted at the request of the Director General of Eailroads under Section 8 of the Federal Control Act, which empowers the President in the administration of the railroad properties ''to avail himself of the advice, assistance and co-operation of the Interstate Commerce Commission." The subject of the investigation is a consolidated tariff which the United States Eailroad Administration has printed, entitled "Perishable Protective Tariff No. 1," containing rules, regulations and charges applicable to the handling and protection of perishable freight of all kinds, which the Eailroad Administration wishes to make effective throughout the country. By his letter of May 20, 1919, 2 accompanying the proposed tariff, the Director General has asked the Commission to advise him whether it is desirable that such a tariff should be filed to become ef¬ fective as proposed or with such modifications or changes as the Commission may recommend. The proposed tariff contains rules, regulations and charges applicable to the handling of perishable freight to, from and between points in the United States, also from points in the United States, to points in the Do¬ minion of Canada. Pursuant to the request of the Director General, the Commission caused to be instituted an investigation re¬ lating thereto and hearings were accordingly held and testimony taken at Los Angeles, California; Portland, Oregon; Denver, Colorado; Chicago, Illinois; New York, New York; Atlanta, Georgia; and New Orleans, Louisi¬ ana. A supplemental hearing was held and testimony taken at Chicago, Illinois, concluding October 6, 1919. II. INTRODUCTION. e A proper perspective of this case involves the consid¬ eration at the outset of an economic question of vital im¬ portance. The concentration of people in the great cities and the development of numerous and populous industrial com¬ munities in the eastern part of the country, diverted mil¬ lions of people from agricultural to industrial communi¬ ties and pursuits. The natural result was the diminu¬ tion of the number of producers of food, as well as of the population, in the producing territory, and the increase 3 in the number of nonproducing consumers of food, at points distant from the producing territory. From a community of rural hamlets and of small in¬ dividual producers of food, the country east of the Alle¬ gheny Mountains, to a great extent, and that east of , the Mississippi Kiver, to some extent, became a densely populous manufacturing area, and ceased to produce suf¬ ficient food for its own needs. Then arose the necessity of obtaining a supply of vast quantities of fresh foods, such as fruits, vegetables, ber¬ ries, butter, eggs, poultry and meat (to say nothing of the cereals and other food of a nonperishable nature), from the great agricultural West. The interdependence of the East and the West cannot be overestimated. The industrial development of the East is made possible by the agricultural development of the West and the agri¬ cultural prosperity of the West is made possible by the industrial development of the East. An adequate supply of food products for Eastern con¬ sumption became no longer available locally, and the distance between supply and demand widened with the years until the ordinary unprotected vehicle of trans¬ portation, or ordinary type of equipment, no longer served to preserve the quality and fresh, ess of the fresh food commodities in transit. This brought into being protective transportation service in the form of ventilator and refrigerator cars. With the advent of the refrigerator car the shipment of live cattle from the Western plains for slaughter in Eastern abattoirs ceased to a great extent, and shipments of dressed meats and packing-house products began. Likewise western fresh foods found a safe way to eastern markets. The desire of the producers for a wider and more profitable market and the desire of the carriers for in- 4 creased tonnage and longer hauls, found mutual expres¬ sion in the ventilated and refrigerator ears. By the use of these special transportation facilities the producer has found a constant and profitable market for his products. The question now to be determined is whether his essential partner in this enterprise, the car¬ rier, is receiving adequate compensation. There never has been greater need for increased food supplies, or more or better markets, at more alluring prices. The agricultural resources of the United States have not been developed to capacity. Without adequate compensation, adequate service is impossible. III. GENESIS AND PURPOSE OF THE TARIFF. The genesis and purpose of the tariff can perhaps best be stated by a quotation from the testimony of Mr. C. E. Bell, Assistant to Director, Division of Traffic, U. S. Railroad Administration. That testimony, which will be found on pages 36 to 42 of the transcript herein, is in part as follows : "When the Division of Traffic of the United States Railroad Administration was organized short¬ ly after December 28, 1917, the date on which the carriers were placed under federal control, it became apparent to the Division of Traffic that many rules, regulations and practices throughout the different sections of the country, and as published by various individual railroads, would have to he unified to the greatest possible extent, because of the fact that where substantially the same transportation condi¬ tions existed in difterent sections, those charged with the administration of carriers under federal con¬ trol felt they could not justify varying rules, regu¬ lations and practices in the different sections with¬ out being charged with undue discrimination. The 5 situation created by federal control of the different carriers was, of course, quite different from the sit¬ uation previously existing whereunder individual carriers serving one particular section and not serv¬ ing another section were not responsible for, or re¬ quired to take into consideration, conditions in the sections they did not serve. The Division of Traffic, therefore, early in the year 1918, gave consideration to the unification of such rules and regulations with the view of removing the multitudinous conflicts resulting from different and widely varying rules, regulations and practices pub¬ lished by individual railroads. After careful consideration it appeared that the most important matters were those involving va¬ rious rules and descriptions in the various classifica¬ tions and classification exceptions throughout the country; the varying rules and practices in connec¬ tion with the transportation of live stock; the vary¬ ing and indefinite specifications in shipping contain¬ ers, and the widely varying rules, regulations, prac¬ tices and charges in connection with perishable traf¬ fic of .all kinds, and more especially in connection with protective service on this traffic. A special committee was appointed to unify the rules and descriptions and the different classifica¬ tions and exceptions, and the work of this special committee resulted in what is known as Consoli¬ dated Freight Classification No. 1, which is now un¬ der consideration by the Interstate Commerce Com¬ mission. Another committee was appointed to harmonize conflicting regulations and practices in connection with the transportation of live stock, and based on the recommendations of that committee, revised rules will shortly be published. Another committee was appointed to consider specifications for shipping containers, and substan¬ tial progress has been made by this committee. There is no character of traffic more important, nor more generally distributed, than perishable traf¬ fic, and no class of traffic requiring more care and attention or such expedited service. There is no character of traffic surrounding which there are 6 now in existence more conflicting rules and prac¬ tices. Under such conditions, and the further fact that it is to the interest of all concerned that when transportation conditions are substantially the same, and with unified control of the railroads, the Di¬ vision of Traffic believed there should be uniformity of transportation rules and practices, so far as pos¬ sible, as to those commodities grown in different sections that are sold in competition in the same markets. By the enforcement of uniform transportation rules and practices on the same perishable commodi¬ ties grown in different sections, it must necessarily follow that section may compete with section, with¬ out the charge of undue discrimination that might result from varying practices in the different sec¬ tions and on ditïerent railroads. As I have said, therefore, one of the first acts of the Division of Traffic after its organization in the early part of 1918, was to appoint a committee to give consideration to the unification of the widely varying rules, regulations, practices and charges surrounding the transportation of perishable freight. This committee was authorized and instructed to call into conference and to assist in this AVork represen¬ tatives of various railroads in the different sections of the country who were familiar with the condi¬ tions existing in each section. This plan of pro¬ cedure was followed by the committee appointed by the Division of Traffic, and it may be said that Per¬ ishable Protective Tariff No. 1 reflects the knowl¬ edge and experience of men of long experience and familiarity with the conditions and practices sur¬ rounding the movement of perishable freight in every section of the country. This committee discovered almost at the inception of its work that the existing charges for protective service, including refrigeration and heater car serv¬ ice, did not reflect the actual expenditures being made by the carriers in the performance of the service, and furthermore, that in certain territories refrigeration service was being given, based only on the actual cost of ice. It was not only the vieAV of the committee, hut also the view of the Division 7 of Traffic, that a stated service should he governed hy a stated charge, and in these instances where stated charges had not previously been operated, the committee was directed to provide stated charges per car. The committee was further directed that in formulating all stated charges to proceed on the principle that a carrier is entitled to compensation for any service performed hy it, based on the cost of the service plus a reasonable profit. This principle is in consonance with the law and expressions of the Interstate Commerce Commission in various defined cases. The preliminary recommendations of the commit¬ tee were printed and copies submitted to representa¬ tives of the perishable interests throughout the country, especially to the officers of various organ¬ izations of perishable shippers. These perishable interests were requested to submit their views in the form of briefs or letters, many of which were received, and at the conference during the entire week of February 24, 1919, these interests were af¬ forded an opportunity to present their further vieAvs to representatives of the United States Eailroad Administration. At this conference were represen¬ tatives of various perishable shippers' associations and many shippers themselves. Last March, the Eailroad Administration was con¬ fronted with an emergency situation necessitating the immediate consideration of an advance in the stated refrigeration charges applicable to Florida, Georgia, South Carolina, North Carolina, Virginia, the eastern shore of Maryland and from middle and east Tennessee. Protests against any increase in the then existing stated charges, unless a hearing was held, having previously been made by Florida ship¬ pers and the Eailroad Commission of Florida, con¬ ference between representatives of the Eailroad Ad¬ ministration and the Florida shipping interests was held in Jacksonville on March 24 and 25, 1919, at which time the entire question was thoroughly gone into. Investigation made by the Eailroad Ad¬ ministration, however, developed that the then ex¬ isting refrigeration charges did not reflect the actual cost of the service and, that this emergency situa- 8 tion might be taken care of, advanced charges were published and those charges are shown in Perish¬ able Protective Tariff No. 1. The refrigeration charges from other parts of the South that I have ennmerated were advanced to the figures shown in Perishable Protective Tariff No. 1, but before it was finally determined to make these advances, notice was extended to the principal shipping organizations in the affected territory that opportunity would be afforded them on April 15, 1919, to present their views. Only one representative of one organization appeared at this conference on April 15th, and he submitted no persuasive evidence that the proposed charges were unreasonable. Notwithstanding the fact that the charges re¬ ferred to in this Southern section are already in effect, we are desirous that the Commission shall consider them as a part of the investigation to be made of Perishable Protective Tariff No. 1 as a whole. After the conference, during the week of February 24, 1919, between representatives of the Eailroad Administration and shippers, the committee that for¬ mulated the tariff under my direction, gave careful consideration to the objections of the shippers as ex¬ pressed at this conference and as set out in the va¬ rious briefs submitted, and many modifications have been made in the rules as originally formu¬ lated, and it may be fairly said that many of the reg¬ ulations now appearing in Perishable Protective Tariff No. 1 largely reflect the view of the perish¬ able interests, as developed at the conference of February 24, 1919, and in the briefs of the shippers. Eepresentatives of the Department of Agriculture, including the Bureau of Markets, were consulted while the tariff was in process, and many valuable suggestions of these Department of Agriculture representatives were incorporated in the proposed tariff. Determination was reached by the Eailroad Administration to submit this tariff to the Interstate Commerce Commission under Section 8 of the so- called Federal Control Act, and this was done by letter signed by the Director General on May 20, 1919. 9 It is the opinion of the Division of Traffic that the charges, rules and regulations contained in this tariff are not only reasonable, but that uniformity in the rules and regulations for application through¬ out the country is most desirable and will be of great benefit to the perishable interests of the coun¬ try, as well as to the carriers." The perishable committee commenced work on the tariff in June, 1918. (9414) All of the members of the committee, which was ap¬ pointed by the Eailroad Administration, were officers or employees of the Eailroad Administration. The commit¬ tee was empowered to draft into service to work on sub¬ committees men experienced in this line of the business from all over the United States, whether they were con¬ nected directly with the Eailroad Administration or with private car lines. Among those who were members of the committee and who were connected with private car lines were Mr. E. C. Dearborn of the Pacific Fruit Ex¬ press; Mr. Geo. H. Nelson with the Santa Fe Eefrigera- tor Despatch and Mr. E. W. Eice with the American Ee- frigerator Transit Company. (9429) IV. WHAT THE TARIFF SUPERSEDES. The charges, rules and regulations in the proposed protective tariff No. 1 supersede all conflicting charges, rules and reg-ulations applicable on perishable freight (as defined in Item 15 of the tariff) contained in tariffs, classifications, rules and circulars of the carriers which are parties to the proposed tariff, with the exception that the proposed tariff will not cancel or supersede terminal charges, rules and regulations (other than charges for ice or salt supplied by carriers, or for protective service. 10 if any, against cold), applying on import traffic at ports of entry into the United States by water, as provided in carriers' tariffs applicable at such ports and lawfully on file with the Interstate Commerce Commission. (See Item No. 20, paragraphs "A" and "C.") While the proposed tariff is designed for uniform adoption by all carriers, some sections thereof (e. g. Section No. 3 providing Stated Keplenishing Charges) are given a restricted application on certain traffic, as will be more specifically explained hereinafter. There is a further exception to the uniform applica¬ tion for the entire United States in that, as to heater protective service against cold. Section 5 of the tariff, there will be a clause on title page 519 of the tariff to the effect that provisions of that section are subject to con¬ trary rules, regulations and charges as published in cer¬ tain tariffs, supplements thereto and reissues thereof, of certain carriers operating in New England territory, and this exception will also be made applicable to less- than-carload heater protective service under Section 6 of the tariff. V. DIVISIONS OF TARIFF. It might be well at the outset to briefly outline the general construction of the proposed tariff in order that subsequent references in the brief to various portions of the tariff may be more clearly understood. In lino with this thought, it may be stated that the tariff is generally dividecl as follows: 1. Table of contents and list of railroads under fed¬ eral control, parties to the tariff. 11 2. Pages one to three cover items 1 to 22, containing an explanation of technical terms and abbreviations later appearing in the tariff and defining their general appli¬ cation. 3. Section No. 1, covering Rules 25 to 145, contains general rules and regulations governing the handling of perishable freight. 4. Section No. 2 has to do with stated refrigeration charges carloads, and is divided into— (a) Rules 200 to 260, inclusive, providing special rules or governing special charges; and Rule 245 which in¬ cludes charges per carload on precooled and preiced cars of citrus fruit from California ; and Rule 250, like charges on precooled and preiced cars of citrus fruit from Florida ; (b) Geographical origin and destination groupings (Items 900 to 1056, inclusive) ; (c) Alphabetical list of points of origin and destina¬ tion in the United States and similar list of points of destination in Canada ; the alphabetical lists being segre¬ gated as to states in the United States and provinces in the Dominion of Canada; (d) Tables 1 to 96, both inclusive, setting forth the stated charges per carload for refrigeration of perish¬ able commodities from different states in the United States, or different groups of those states, to various states or provinces of destination. In each table, the commodities are divided according to numerical columns, each column providing a different stated charge. 5. Section No. 3 contains— (a) Special rules governing stated replenishing charges—Rules 300 to 340, inclusive ; and enumerates the commodities to which the section applies; and 12 (b) Tables 97, 98 and 99 providing stated charges for service of replenishing ice and/or salt in transit. 6. Section No. 4 contains— (a) Eules and charges governing services of icing and re-icing and enumerates the commodities to which the section applies; (b) The charge per ton of ice and per hundred pounds of salt at icing stations in the various states of the United States for icing and re-icing the commodities to which Section 4 applies. The charges there stated also apply to ice and salt applied by carrier or car line for account of another carrier or car line in connection with commodities moving under stated charges, provided in Sections 2, 3 and 6 of the tariff ; also to ice or salt sup- j)lied under Sections 2, 3 or 6 when not chargeable to carrier or car line as provided by the rules in those sec¬ tions. 7. Section No. 5 contains— (a) Special rules governing protective service against cold, Eules 500 to 550; and (b) Tables 101 to 103, both inclusive, setting forth stated charges per carload in dollars and cents from given points of origin to given points of destination for "Carrier's Protective Service" against cold; and 8. Section No. 6 contains— (a) Special rules governing less-than-carload ship¬ ments of perishables; and (b) Tables 104 to 126, inclusive, providing charges per 100 pounds of freight for protective service against cold or heat as the ease may be. Table No. 104 provides charges based on mileage, divided as between 200 miles or less, and over 200 and under 400 miles. Tables 105 to 117, inclusive, provide refrigeration cliarges in cents 13 per hundred pounds of freight from given points of origin to given points of destination for distances 400 miles or more; while tables 118 to 126, inclusive, pro¬ vide charges in cents per 100 pounds of freight for pro¬ tective service against cold from given points of origin to given points of destination for distances 400 miles or more. VI. material chastges which have been made in the tariff since it was presented to the commission for its rec¬ ommendations, either with respect to (a) Eules; (b) Charges; (c) Groupings; or (d) Service offered. Since the tariff was presented to the Commission for its recommendations, some material changes and modifi¬ cations, thereof have been made by carriers, as indicated in the letter in their behalf, addressed to the examiner under date of October 23, 1919, as shown in Appendix A to this Brief. VII. commodities to which, and territories in which, va¬ rious sections of tariff as now proposed apply. Section No. 2—Stated Charges for Refrigeration, Carloads— (a) Applies intrastate and interstate on fresh or crushed fruits, vegetables, berries, melons and fruit juices (not beverages) throughout the United States. 14 (b) Applies either intrastate or interstate on all other perishables (except bananas or cocoanuts) includ¬ ing packing-house products and dairy and freight only from points in Arizona, California, Idaho, Nevada, Ore¬ gon and Washington. (c) Does not apply on bananas or cocoanuts. Section No. 3—Stated Charges for Service of Replenish¬ ing Ice and/or Salt In Transit, on Carloads— • Applies on fresh meats, packing-house products, fish, clams, crabs, lobsters, oysters, butterine, oleomargarine, ale, beer, beverages, butter, cheese, eggs, dressed poul¬ try and game (except when covered by stated refrigera¬ tion charges under Section 2 of the tax'iff) originating in or moving through— (1st) Colorado (all points); Iowa (Group A); Kan¬ sas (Groups A and B) ; Minnesota (all points) ; Missouri (Group B) ; and destined to Arizona (all points) ; Cali¬ fornia (all points) ; Idaho (Groups 1, 2 and 3) ; Montana (limited territory) ; Nevada (all points) ; Oregon (all points) ; AVashington (all points) ; New Mexico (all points); and British Columbia (all points). (See Table No. 97.) (2nd) Originating in or moving through Nebraska (Groups A and B) ; North Dakota, Oklahoma, South Da¬ kota and Texas, destined to the same points above de¬ scribed in paragraph "1st." (See Table No. 98.) (3rd) Betiveen all points in California. (See Table No. 99.) (4th) From North Portland and Portland, Oregon to Salem, Oregon. (See Table No. 99.) 15 (5tli) From Eeno, Nevada, to San Francisco, Soutli San Francisco, Oakland, San Jose, Stockton, Sacramento and Fresno, California, and (See Table No. 99.) (6tb) From all points in New Mexico and Utah tc all points in California. (See Table No. 99.) Section No. 4.—Cost of Ice Per Ton and Salt Per Hun¬ dred Pounds. Applies on fresh meats, packing-house products, but¬ ter, eggs, cheese, dressed poultry, and game, butter oleo¬ margarine, clams, crabs, lobsters, oysters, fish, ale, beer, beverages, bananas and cocoanuts within all territory in the United States except where or ivlien stated charges under Section No. 2 or-Section No. 3 apply as hereto¬ fore outlined, and upon the commodities named, and ex¬ cept as Section No. 6 of the tariff may apply upon less- than-carload shipments. Section No. 5—Protective Service Against Cold— Carloads. Applies on all traffic requiring any protective service against cold with the proviso that, as "meats (not canned), dressed poultry, fish, shell fish, games, butter, cheese and eggs; also chocolate, candy, bananas, pine¬ apples, celery, cauliflower, lettuce, spinach, artichokes and tomatoes are particularly liable to be damaged by artificial heat, carriers do not hold themselves out as of¬ fering to furnish 'Carrier's Protective Service' on such commodities;" but that, if upon request of shipper, owner or consignee, carriers supply artificial heat, these shipments will be transported solely at owner's risk of loss or damage by artificial heat, 16 "Carrier's Protective Service" against cold applies within the following territory: Between points in Washington, Oregon, Idaho, Utah, Colorado, Wyoming, Montana, North Dakota, South Da¬ kota, Nebraska, Kansas, Missouri, Iowa, Minnesota, Wisconsin, Illinois and the Northern Peninsula of Mich¬ igan. Section No. 6.—Less-than-Carload Protective Service Against Cold; Also Against Heat. This section applies as follows : (a) Protective service against cold applies on all per¬ ishable commodities when loaded in a "scheduled re¬ frigerator car" except when shipper tenders same sub¬ ject to "box car service," and applies in the same terri¬ tory to which "Protective Service against Cold," car¬ loads, applies in Section No. 5 as hereinabove de¬ scribed. (b) Protective service against heat applies on all per¬ ishable commodities when loaded in "Scheduled Eefrig- erator Car" and moving under refrigeration, except when tendered subject to "box car service" and applies in all parts of the United States where "Scheduled Ke- frigerator Car Service" is available. VIII. principal matters in controversy. Due to the comprehensive scope of the investigation, the immense mass of testimony introduced in the case, covering close to. ten thousand pages, and the fact that the final hearing did not conclude until October 6, 1919, the limited time at our disposal has not made it possible, and it therefore will not be our aim, to discuss in this' 17 brief every objection or argument which was voiced dur¬ ing the progress of the hearings. This is especially so because there is scarcely a rule or provision or charge in the tariff which has not heen made the subject of dis¬ cussion. In fact there have been several attacks on rules which are not in the tariff. We shall, however, endeavor to point out and to answer as best we can, within the time allotted, the principal objections which have been made, either to rules, regulations, practices or charges. This we think can best be done by relating the discussion to the divisions or sections of the tariff itself, adverting to the rules or items in connection with the respective sec¬ tions. In connection with the discussion of the rules, atten¬ tion is directed to the fact that there is on file in this pro¬ ceeding, as "E. F. McPike's Exhibits Nos. 1 to 66, inclu¬ sive," a printed volume in which the witness McPike dis¬ cusses, either specifically or generally, practically every rule in the tariff. We do not deem it advisable or neces¬ sary to repeat such discussion in this brief, but will, as a part thereof, file one copy of such printed volume with each copy of the brief, and will also furnish a copy thereof with each copy of the brief served upon inter¬ ested parties. We now come to a brief statement of the principal mat¬ ters in controversy. Under this section of the brief, no attempt will be made to outline the objections to the items or rules (which will be done in connection with the argu¬ ment), but we will content ourselves with a mere refer¬ ence to the item or rule, and its subject matter. 18 Items. Item 14. Definition of refrigerator and insulated cars. Item 15. Definition and list of perishable commodi¬ ties. Item 20. General application of the tariff. Section 1.—Rules. This section contains general rules and regulations governing the handling of perishable freight. The rules in this section which were subjected to at¬ tack are as follows : Eule 25 (B) Charges for protective service not in¬ cluded in freight rate. Eule 35. Ordering ears. Eule 40. Charge for use of refrigerator or full insul- Eestrictions against improper loading, etc. False floors and floor racks. Protection by hay, etc. Preservatives placed in packages or in body Schedule not guaranteed by carrier. Side-door ventilation. Eefrigeration and artificial heat combined. Shipper's instructions. Waybill notations. Charge for transfer. Diversions and reconsigmncnts. Eule 100. Sampling or inspection by consignee. ated cars. Eule 45. Eule 50. Eule 55. Eule 60. of car. Eule 65. Eule 70. Eule 75. Eule 80. Eule 85. Eule 90. Eule 95. 19 Eule 110. Transportation of caretakers with carloads of bananas. Eule 115. Shipper's instructions to caretakers. Eule 120, Vegetables or fruit in stock or box cars. Eule 130. Condition of perishable goods not guar¬ anteed by carriers. Eule 140. Charge for disinfecting cars. Eule 145. Shipments stored in transit. Section 2.—Rides. 200 (A)—analogous to Eule 25. 200 (C)—providing that when one or more commodi¬ ties are loaded in car with carload shipment under re¬ frigeration, stated refrigeration charges will be on basis of the highest carload refrigeration charge applicable on any of the commodities in the car. 200 (D)—providing that stated refrigeration charges include the services of icing and re-icing from point of origin to but not after arrival in the terminal train yard serving the destination, without any allowance for free time. (Also refers to Eule 225, hereinafter mentioned.) 200 (G)—providing that when shippers elect to tender freight loaded in cars the bunkers, tanks or body of which contain ice with instructions "not under refriger¬ ation, do not ice," etc., stated refrigeration charges will be imposed. Eule 200 (H)—stating that carriers will not replenish ice in packages with freight but necessary ice will be placed in bunkers or tanks of such cars. Eule 200 (I)—providing that carriers will not supply or place ice or salt in the body of refrigerator cars equipped with ice bunkers or tanks. 20 Eule 210—which provides for icing by shipper at op¬ tion of carrier, and for reimbursement of shipper there¬ for at tariff charges published in Section 4 of the tariff. Eule 215—relating to delay to iced cars at loading sta¬ tions, and charges to be imposed. Eule 220—relating to iced cars ordered but not used. Eule 225—relating to re-icing at intermediate stop or hold points, at reconsigning points and at final destina¬ tion, and charges for such ice. Eule 2.30—relating to the opening of ventilators of cars under refrigeration, and charges incident thereto. Eule 235—providing that ice remaining in bunkers after arrival of car at final destination is the property of the carrier. Eule 244—relating to consolidation of fresh fruits, berries, melons and fresh vegetables and providing charges applicable thereto. Eule 245—having reference to precooled and preiced citrus fruit from California, and providing stated charges therefor. Eule 250—relating to precooled and preiced cars of citrus fruit from Florida, and specifying stated charges therefor. Eule 255—covering half-tank refrigeration service on citrus fruit from Florida. Groupings. Items 900 to 948 contain a geographical description of origin groupings, and items 1,000 to 1,056 a like descrip¬ tion of destination groupings, to apply in connection with tables of stated refrigeration charges in Section 2 of the tariff. 21 Objections were made to the following groupings; Kansas, item 1,016. Nebraska, items 925 and 1,028. New York, items 930 and 1,034. Washington, items 945 and 1,053. Principle of Stated Charges. Objection has been made to the principle of stated re¬ frigeration charges— (a) By those shippers-of fruits, vegetables, etc., who are now moving their commoditiess under refrigeration on a cost of ice per ton basis, and whose commodities it is now proposed to include under stated charges in Sec¬ tion 2. (b) By some of the shippers whose commodities now move either under Section 2 or 3 in some portions of the country. (c) By a limited number of shippers whose commodi¬ ties now move under the stated charge basis, and to a limited extent. (d) By those shippers whose commodities the tariff proposes to make subject to Section 4, or the cost of ice per ton basis, but who are apprehensive that either the Administration or the Commission may seek to place such commodities either on a Section 2 or Section 3 basis. Measure of Stated Charges. Objection has been made to the measure of the stated charges by nearly all classes of shippers, with some laudable exceptions, but it may also be said that, where stated refrigeration charges are now in effect, the ob¬ jection was not so much to an increase as it was to the extent of the increase. The grounds of the objections 22 were varied and will be set out at some length when we come to the argument. Section 3.—Rules. Objection was made to the following rules in the sec¬ tion : Eule 300—which provides for the application of the sec¬ tion and in particular defines the commodities to which it applies, is also analogous to Eule 25 (B). Eule 312—^which relates to shippers' instructions with regard to icing or re-icing. Principle of Stated Replenishing Charges. Objection was made by some of the shippers, whose commodities now move under refrigeration subject to this section, to the propriety of the principle of such charges, as applied to their products. The grounds of the objection will be found in our argument. Measure of Stated Replenishing Charges. Eather mild objections, Avithout any substantiating figures, were voiced to the measure of these charges by some of those whose commodities move subject thereto. Section 4.—Rules. Objection was made to the folloA\dng rules in this sec¬ tion: Eule 400—which provides for the application of the section, and defines the commodities subject thereto. Eule 415—AA'hicli refers to iced ears delayed at loading station. 23 Principle of Cost of Ice Per Ton and Salt Per 100 Pounds Basis. Nearly all shippers, except those who have enjoyed the certainty and efficiency and protection of a stated charge basis, preferred to be on a cost of ice per ton and salt per 100 pounds basis ; in other words, they desired to pay simply the cost of the ice and salt, without in any way compensating the carriers for any accessorial service whatever. The objections that were made were to the in¬ clusion in Section 4 of the commodities which are, by the proposed tariff, made subject thereto, and the failure to include therein the commodities in which the objectors were interested. Measure of Charges for Ice and Salt. There were no particular objections made to the charges for ice as shown in Section 4 of the tariff, but con¬ siderable objection was registered against the charge for salt in some portions of the United States. Section 5.—Rules. Objection was made to the following rules in this sec¬ tion : Rule 500—relating to application of Section 5. Rule 505—covering shipper's instructions in connec¬ tion with "Carriers' Protective Service" or "Shippers' Protective Service." Rule 510—relating to rights and obligations of car¬ riers and shippers in connection with "Shippers' Pro¬ tective Service." Rule 512—having to do with the transportation of care¬ takers with carloads when shipper installs portable heater. 24 Eule 515—providing for application of "Carriers' Protective Service." Eule 520—relating to cars delayed at loading station. Eule 525—referring to cars ordered, but not used, and imposing a charge therefor. Eule 530'—relating to additional protective service at intermediate stop, hold or reconsigming points and at final destination when moving under "Carriers' Pro¬ tective Service, ' ' and providing a charge therefor. Eule 540—covering disposition of revenue accruing as result of "Carriers' Protective Service." Eule 545—referring to transportation, without charge, of stoves, false floors, lining, etc. Eule 550'—covers return of stoves or heaters, fittings therefor, portable false floors, etc. Principle of Stated, Charges for "Carriers' Protective Service" Against Cold. No objection was made to the principle of a stated charge for this service. Measure of Stated Charge for "Carriers' Protective Service" Against Cold. Objection was registered to the measure of the stated charges for "Carriers' Protective Service" against cold. The grounds of the objection will be stated in our argu¬ ment. Section 6.—Rules. The rules in this section which were the subject of at¬ tack are these : Eule 600—providing for the application of the section; also analogous to Eule 25 ( B). 25 Eule 605—prescribing character of instructions to be specified by shipper or shipping order and bill of lad¬ ing. Rule 610—defining "Scheduled Refrigerator Car Serv¬ ice," and providing for application of stated charges for such service, both when commodities are protected against heat, and when protected against cold. Rule 615—relating to carriers' right to refuse to ac¬ cept perishable freight, either because of its odor or na¬ ture, the lack of availability of "Scheduled Refrigerator Car Service," or because of temperature at loading sta¬ tion or en route, etc. Rule 620—relating to the acceptance and handling of less-than-oarload shipments of perishables in the ab¬ sence of "Scheduled Refrigerator Car Service." Rule 625—having for its subject meat peddler cars and providing for the application of Section 4 thereto. Rule 630—relates to the furnishing or use of individual cars for one consignee at one destination, with specified minima, and specifies the commodities subject thereto. Principle of Stated Charges for Protection Against Heat or Cold. Objection was made to the principle of stated charges, or in fact, any charge for protection either against heat or cold on less-than-carload shipments. The objections will be hereafter stated in our argument. Measure of Charges. Objection was also registered to the measure of the charges under this section. 26 ARGUMENT. Having set fortli as briefly as could fairly be done, the matters involved in the present proceeding, it seems desirable, before entering upon a detailed discussion of the justification of the various parts of the tariff, to set forth in a general Avay some of the broader aspects in which it is believed the proposed tariff should be con¬ sidered. As was so well stated by Mr. Bell in behalf of the Railroad Administration at the opening of the proceed¬ ing, the primary object which the Administration sought to promote in formulating the proposed tariff was the establishment of a uniform method of treatment of the services involved in the handling of perishable freight throughout the United States upon a sound economic basis. The lack of harmony in this respect which exists in the country at the present time ought no longer to be tolerated. Not only is it desirable from the stand¬ point of convenience and expediency that this special phase of transportation should be covered by a single, uniform tariff containing all the rules, regulations and charges relating thereto, but such a tariff will also serve to a very large extent, if not entirely, to eliminate the discrimination, whether unlawful or otherwise, which exists at the present time as between different com¬ munities and different commodities. As a matter of convenience, the plan should commend itself to the shipping public as well as to the carriers. It will help to simplify the traffic problem, which at present results from the publication of the numerous, individual rules and charges of carriers participating along the same route. It will serve to clarify provisions 27 which, because of their variety of expression by differ¬ ent carriers, are obscure and ofttimes inconsistent. The shipper at the point of origin will be in position to know precisely what service he may expect and what charges the shipment Avill bear from the time of its delivery to the carrier until the time when it is ultimately delivered to the consignee. Only in this way is a shipper in a given territory located upon a single railroad enabled to know the trans¬ portation advantages or disadvantages. of his compet¬ itors located in other territories and upon other rail¬ roads. By means of this tariff the shipper can tell at a glance what service his competitors are receiving and Avhat charges they are paying. It requires but little argument to show that it is highly desirable that the rules and charges in respect of special protective service should be separately published. As an abstract proposition, there would be no excuse in the present day for a carrier, Avhich had never heretofore engaged in this special transportation service, to estab¬ lish such a service de novo without, at the same time, covering such service by a separate tariff. The only excuse which can be accepted for not stating such pro¬ visions in separate issues is that the service is an out¬ growth of the period in transportation history when the matter of tariff publication was handled without regard to the distinctions in the nature of the service. The de¬ sirability of such separate publication has been recog¬ nized since the passage of the Hepburn Act in 1906, and in view of the mandatory requirements of that act, as they are discussed elseAvhere in this brief, the Commis¬ sion should now give its official sanction to the separate publication of these provisions as proposed in the tariff noAv under consideration. Such separation will place 28 this service upon a distinct accounting basis so that at any time it can be ascertained whether the service is properly remunerative. The fact that the charges proposed in the tariff may result in increased revenue to the carriers, we believe should commend itself to the Commission. The general statement that the carriers as a whole are greatly in need of increased revenue will not seriously be ques¬ tioned. By this tariff the want of revenue will, to some comparatively slight extent, be ameliorated by increasing the charges for these special services to a point where they will more nearly approximate an adequate return for the services performed. For the presentation of this case, the carriers have, as fully and sincerely as they could, studied the costs which Avere involved in the performance of every detail of these special services, and have presented them to the Commission as fully as could be done in order to show clearly the extent to which the value of these serv¬ ices exceeds the amounts paid for them by the ship¬ ping public. This has been very difficult on most rail¬ roads because of the lack of accounting systems whereby proper allocation is made to this service of expenses, attributable thereto. The result of this investigation into the cost of the service has astonished the carriers themselves. While they believed, and in some intances where definitely aware of the fact that they were being underpaid for this service, they did not expect in many instances to find the great deficits which their investigations dis¬ closed. The development of refrigerator service has since 1867 progressed from an ordinary box car with a box of ice inside the door to the modern combined ventilator and 29 refrigerator car whicli will carry the most highly per¬ ishable commodity safely across the continent. The cost of the equipment has advanced from the trivial expense of the wooden lining and the sawdust insulation of the car of 1867 to the cost of over $3,700 of the mod¬ ern standard refrigerator car. The cost of the service itself has in the same time increased from the price of a few hundred pounds of ice at a time when the cost of ice Avas low to the present consumption of approxi¬ mately six tons at a cost of more than sixty-two dollars on a car of perishable freight from Chicago to New Y Ork. It is entirely fair that this service should pay for itself. Since the decisions of the Supreme Court in Norfolk é Western v. Conley, 236 U. S., 605, and North Dakota v. Northern Pacific Railway, 236 U. S., 585, there can no longer be any question of the right of the car¬ rier, if it chooses to do so, to secure for each individual service which it performs a charge which will yield a fair profit above the cost of that service. If, therefore, the carriers in the present proceeding were proposing to secure compensation measured by this legal standard, their right to do so would be unquestioned. They are, however, in most instances not going to this full extent. Whether the need of greater revenue of these carriers is such as to justify an increase in general transporta¬ tion rates or not is a question which we need not here consider, but however that may be, the propriety of assessing charges upon these special services commen¬ surate with the cost of operation is such as to call for the approval of the Commission. Only in this way will the carriers be enabled to maintain this service and supply the equipment which it requires. The fact that they have not heretofore been able to assess a proper charge against this service has been a factor which has 30 called into being the private car lines, which were able to make such a charge and thus maintain their service. The carriers cannot be expected in the present inade¬ quacy of their general revenues, to use their income dis¬ proportionately for the maintenance of the special serv¬ ice and thus sacrifice the proper service of transpor¬ tation generality. These general considerations should be borne in mind throughout the proceeding. We now proceed to set forth the more specific consid¬ erations which arise in connection with the various sec¬ tions of the tariff. Their sequence will conform to the order in which the various provisions appear in the tariff. PEELIMINAKY ITEMS IN TARIFF, Items 1 to 22. Both inclusive, in the proposed tariff are only technical terms and definitions thereof as generally required in the publication of tariffs. As to such of those particular items as are specifically men¬ tioned in the record of the case, the carriers would sub¬ mit the following facts; Item 14. The only objection presented will be taken care of by the revised wording of a portion of that item as indicated in letter addressed to the examiner in behalf of carriers under date of October 23, 1919. (See Appendix A.) 31 Item 15. Definition and list of perishable freight: Shippers' Views. Witness J. CuETis Robinson is of opinion that the prefix (a) designating articles which are susceptible to damage by artificial heat should also be prefixed to "fruits, fresh, not otherwise indexed by name" and to "vegetables, fresh or green." ' (Tr., 1616-17.) Witness E. S. De Pass states that condensed or evap¬ orated milk shown in item No. 15, page 2 of tariff, should be amended to read, "milk, condensed or evaporated, when for export," eliminating milk for domestic use from tariff, export milk being, he says, the only shipments on which carriers' protective service has ever been asked for or furnished. (Tr., 5560.) Witness Peeeman Bradeoed states that fresh fruits and vegetables should he governed by prefix (a), thus including same with articles declared to he susceptible to damage by artificial heat. (Tr., 6968-69.) Witness Wm. J. Womee objects to "ice" being in¬ cluded in list of perishable commodities. (Tr., 7197.) Witness John Andeew. Ronan states that "sauer¬ kraut" never needs heat and never needs refrigeration, so far as using ice in transit is concerned ; and that this also applies to "onion sets," and that both of these ar¬ ticles should be eliminated from item No. 15 (Tr., 9740) ; he admits that these commodities need a refrigerator ear in Avinter months to protect against extreme cold weather; says refrigerator car not needed in the summer time as neither sauerkraut nor onion sets require pro¬ tection against heat. (Tr., 9741.) Witness L. P. Barry says that ginger ale and bever- :v2 ages are subject to damage by freezing; that liquid blu¬ ing is in the same class as blacking; catsup is not sub¬ ject to damage by heat or cold, except when temperature is 10 degrees below zero or lower ; certain cheese is sub¬ ject to damage by both freezing and heat, while other cheese is not; dry chocolate is not subject to damage by either heat or cold; extracts, liquid, are not subject to damage by either heat or cold; ink is subject to damage by freezing; mince meat is not subject to damage by either heat or cold; mushrooms, canned, are not subject to damage by either heat or cold ; states over nine-tenths of shipments handled by wholesale grocers are not sub¬ ject to heat or cold conditions. (Tr., 9082-9085.) Ansiver. The carriers will admit that some of the commodities mentioned by protestants may not be susceptible to dam¬ age by heat or cold, unless subjected to extremes of tem¬ perature, but as most, if not all, of those commodities are susceptible to damage by some weather conditions, it is fair and proper to include them in Item No. 15 of tariff; the carriers further submit that in any event the shippers are not deprived from using box cars when they so elect. In connection Avith item No. 15, the carriers Avould point out the few minor changes made by them in the letter addressed to the examiner under date of Oc¬ tober 23, 1919. (See Appendix A.) Item 20. General application of tariff: Shippers' Views. Witness Wm. J. Womer stated that paragraph (A) of item No. 20 would indicate that proposed tariff will cancel all conflicting tariffs and rules; that although Eule 33 No. 55 brings forward from certain current tariffs an exception for eggs, no similar exceptions which may now be in effect in other current tariffs are given similar treatment or consideration, but will be canceled by the proposed tariff; that if any exceptions are to be made for eggs, the witness desires that similar exception be made for "ice". (Tr., 7197-98.) Witness McPike, on cross-examination by Mr. 0. W. ïong, states that proposed tariff will not cancel Eules Nos. 9-D and 9-E in Western Classification so far as such rules are lawfully applicable, but that proposed tariff will take precedence as to all accessorial services and rules and regulations and charges governing same. (Tr.. 2537-88, 2541.) Witness McPike, in response to questions by Mr. T. H. McGlrath, regarding application of proposed tariff on import traffic, states that if the current tariff rules are in terminal tariffs and govern terminal matters at ports of entry by water, srch rules would not be disturbed by the proposed new tariff, but witness McPike promised further consideration would be given to this feature by carriers. (Tr., 2551-52.) Witness à. E. Helm suggests that paragraph (D) of item No. 20 be amended as follows : "Nothing in this tariff shall be construed as re¬ lieving the carriers from such liability as may rest upon them for loss or damage when same is the re¬ sult of carrier's negligence. In case of dispute as to liability for loss or damage, the burden to prove freedom from such negligence shall be on the car¬ rier. ' ' Witness claims that this is a condition announced in the standard bill of lading and recently approved by the Interstate Commerce Commission. (Tr., 1994-95.) Witness B. W. Edwards in connection with paragraph 34 (D), suggests that the words ''loss or damage" be amended to read "loss or damage when same is the re¬ sult of carrier's negligence," because "loss" is usually- supposed to mean loss of the shipment and not loss oc¬ casioned by delay; further suggests that the word "de¬ lay" be included in this item. (Tr., 4507-4509.) Witness 0. W. Tong stated that in his opinion para¬ graph (D) in this item affords opportunity for freight claim agents to reject claims under "shipper's protec¬ tive service," where carriers have been negligent, re¬ gardless of the fact that other provisions of this tariff provide that carriers will not attempt to exempt them¬ selves from liability for negligence; that if this item is allowed to go into effect, agents are going to consider that they do not have to give that property any atten¬ tion at all, even if cars have been unusually delayed. (Tr., 4684-86.) Witness further stated that this item Avill allow discrimination. (Tr., 4686-7.) Witness M. C. Eagatz, in response to questions by Mr. 0. W. Tong, states that if this item is allowed to take effect, carriers will not give shipments any protection when handed as "Option No.^1 business," by which ex¬ pression the witness referred to shipments moving un¬ der "shippers' protective service." (Tr., 5064.) Witness Kenneth Fowler states that paragraph (D) of Item No. 20, in his opinion, takes precedence over all special rules, limiting carriers' liability in other sections of tariff ; understand that it is not the intention of car¬ riers to attempt to modify the law in any way as regards their liability. (Tr., 7417.) Witness T. H. Tench states that paragraph (D) of Item No. 20 has no place in the tariff or at least should be rewritten to conform to the language of the uniform bill of lading. (Tr., 8093.) 35 Answer. The carriers would first call attention to the general explanation and defense of Item No. 20 given in witness McPike's Exhibit No. 4. Paragraph (A) of Item No. 20 will necessarily and rightfully should cancel all conflicting tariffs in order to insure that on future traffic there shall he but the one issue in effect, thus preventing possible discrimination. Paragraph (C) as to import traffic, will be modified by carriers so that the conclusion now reading: * * as provided in carriers' terminal tariffs applicable," will he changed to read thus: * * as provided in car¬ riers' tariffs applicable.'! The effect of this change will be to give pre¬ cedence to terminal rules, and charegs, published in other tariffs, regardless of whether or not such other issues are strictly terminal tariffs, that is, so far as ap¬ plication at ports of entry by water is concerned. As to paragraph (D) of_Item No. 20, the carriers sub¬ mit that the language thereof as printed very clearly shows that they are not attempting to escape their lia¬ bility for any loss or damage arising from negligence by carriers. The carriers admit that all questions of burden of proof will have to be determined by the courts in ac¬ cordance with the usual rules of evidence and that there¬ fore it is unnecessary to insert in Item No. 20 any spe- fic provisions as to the burden of proof to he assumed by carriers. 36 Items 21 and 22. Definitions of Intermediate Point, etc. : Shippers' Views. Witness MePike in answer to a question by Mr. Hill as to whether or not charges for transportation services should not he less for a lesser service than for a greater service, replied, "Not necessarily so," and pointed out that there are various departures from the fourth sec¬ tion of the law, and further stated that item No. 21 sim¬ ply shows how the tariff is to be interpreted and defines the technical term "next or distant point." (Tr., 526- 530.) Answer. The carriers now reaffirm the explanation given by witness MePike as quoted next above and would further submit that the wording of items Nos. 21 and 22 is in ac¬ cordance with the general practice in current tariffs con¬ taining stated refrigeration charges. OWNER'S RISK OR CARRIERS' NONLIABILITY. As to the various rules in the proposed tariiï, which under certain conditions provide for transportation solely at owner's risk of loss or damage by heat or cold not the result of carriers' negligence, the carriers now desire to direct special attention to their answers herein relating to Eules Nos. 75, 130 and 620 of proposed tar¬ iff, also to Witness MePike's Exhibits Nos. 28, 59 and 66, wherein the underlying reasons, justification and prac¬ tical necessity of such uniform tariff rules were ex¬ plained and, as the carriers believe, fully demonstrated. The carriers are firmly of opinion that none of such rules is contrary to the common law or to any of the 37 statutes governing transportation nor, in the belief "of carriers, are any of those rules contrary to public pol¬ icy. The carriers consider that it is highly desirable to have uniform tariff rules of that kind and thus give to shippers in advance of shipment such proper notice and warning rather than to rely only upon the making of various and varying notations upon hills of lading, which, the carriers contend, they would have the lawful right to do in such cases, but which might often give rise to possible discrimination and entail delays in the move¬ ment of perishable food products. The carriers earn¬ estly hope that for these reasons, among others, the Commission will express its approval of such rules in principle and in fact, particularly when, as shown under Item No. 20, paragraph (D) of proposed tariff, the car¬ riers are very clearly not attempting to escape their li¬ ability for negligence. The carriers in making this general statement in this place do so with the desire to avoid what would other¬ wise amount to considerable repetition in this brief by making substantially the same defense to various in¬ dividual rules containing clauses of the character men¬ tioned. As shown in the numerous citations which ac¬ companied the carriers' answer herein relating to Eule No. 130, it is no new departure for rules of this general character to he published in carriers' tariffs. The Commission itself, on différent occasions, has specifically recognized the lawful right of carriers to publish tariff rules limiting their liability for loss or damage by heat or cold when not the result of negligence by carriers. In this connection, carriers direct atten¬ tion to their answer herein relating to Eule No. 620 to box car service at owner's risk for less-than-carload shipments of perishable products. The carriers also call attention to the practice in Western Trunk Line territory 38 and North Pacific Coast territory in connection with cars which have heretofore moved under what is com¬ monly called "Option No. 1" or "Shippers' Protective Service." In such cases, the current tariffs provide substantially that the shipper assumes all responsibil¬ ity for loss or damage due to heat or cold not the direct result of actionable negligence of carriers. See para¬ graph (a) of Pule No. 2 of Item No. 800 on page 27 of Agent E. B. Boyd's I. C. C. No. A-1020; also paragraph (a) of option No. 1 on page 24 of Agent E. H. Countiss' Tariff I. C. C. 1043. These rules last mentioned are in this respect very similar to paragraph (A) of Kule No. 510 in the proposed Perishable Protective Tariff No. 1. Eules of this character were before the Commission for review in several cases, in one of which (Docket 6731) the Commission made the following significant remark: "It may here be .noted, parenthetically, that where the heater service is performed by the shipper and loss or damage results from freezing or overheat¬ ing not the direct result of negligence by the car¬ rier, such loss or damage is not caused by the car¬ rier. It follows, therefore, that the rule here at¬ tacked does not violate the Cummins Amendment of March 4, 1915, to Section 20 of the Act to Eegu- late Commerce." {Albert Miller & Co. v. Northern Pac., 34 I. C. C., 157.) It is true that in the case last cited the tariff rules then involved did offer the shipper, at his option, the alterna¬ tive of forwarding his goods under "Carriers' Protec¬ tive Service, "but in the present instance, the carriers sub¬ mit that in the proposed Perishable Protective Tariff No. 1, the shippers are likewise offered, at their own op¬ tion, the use and benefit of all available accessorial serv¬ ices, both for carload and less-than-carload traffic on basis of reasonable weights. Therefore, to force the carriers to assume the liability of loss or damage resulting from the absence of such accessorial services, which are neither 39 requested nor paid for by the shipper, would he to cre¬ ate discrimination and amount virtually to confiscation, requiring the carriers to furnish expensive special serv¬ ice without compensation. The carriers feel confident that the Commission will not desire to impose any such new and heavy burden upon them and that on the con¬ trary the Commission will give its approval to the rules which are here under discussion in connection with pro¬ posed Perishable Protective Tariff No. 1. If the carriers were to he denied the right to publish such tariff rules, which they consider to he entirely law¬ ful and reasonable, the only other alternative would he to deprive the shippers absolutely of any right whatso¬ ever to request or to dictate any special character of accessorial service, leaving the determination of all these matters in the hands of the c.arriers exclusively, who, in their own judgment, would at all times furnish such accessorial services as they saw fit and collect the full tariff charges therefor, which would he a radical de¬ parture from the present practice under which the ship¬ pers are permitted to make a reasonable request for such authorized accessorial services as they may desire in connection Avith individual shipments. The carriers con¬ sider it obvious, therefore, that they cannot he deprived of the right to release themselves as contemplated by the proposed rules, thus tending to make them responsible for any and all loss or damage to perishable goods in transit, unless, as a necessary corollary, the now gen¬ erally prevailing rights and privileges of the shipper as to dictating the character of service he desires in transit he abrogated absolutely. The carriers cannot be placed between two fires. 40 SECTION ONE. HULE 25. In the discussion of this rule will be set forth the evidence of the carriers showing the history of the traffic and classifications and rates by which they have demon¬ strated that the special service of protection from heat and cold and the furnishing of special equipment have not been contemplated by the freight rates. The three classification territories will be dealt -with separately, and Ave ask the indulgence of the Commission for such repetition of idea as may be found by reason of such separate treatment. Southern Territory. To avoid discussing Eule 25 with respect to Southern Classification territory both here and under Section Six it has been omitted here as it is essential there. Eefer- ence is therefore made to that part of the brief which discusses Southern Classification territory under Section Six so far as 1. c. 1. shipments are concerned. THE FEEIGHT. KATES ON FRUITS AND ATEGETABLES FROM SOUTH¬ ERN PRODUCING POINTS, AND THE RATES ON OTHER TRAFFIC HANDLED IN REFRIGERATOR CARS BY THE SOUTHERN RAIL¬ ROADS, DO NOT INCLUDE THE FACTORS OF ICEi HAULAGE OR SWITCHING TO AND FROM ICE PLANTS, OR ANY OTHER AC¬ CESSORIAL SERAUCE OF PROTECTION FROM HEAT OR COLD. In making up the refrigerator charges shown in the proposed tariff from points in the territory south of the Ohio and Potomac rivers and east of the Mississippi River, the costs of hauling the ice loaded in the refrig- 41 erator cars and of switcliing the cars to and from the ice plants were included, with some exceptions. This is vigorously objected to, especially by the Florida fruit and vegetable shippers, on the ground that these items of cost or service are already included in the freight rates, and should not be charged for twice. It therefore becomes desirable to discuss the question whether or not the rates on shipments of fruits and vegetables from southern producing points actually do now include the costs of ice haulage and switching to and from ice plants, or, more accurately stated, whether or not these rates Avere ever made higher or are now higher to the extent of what it costs to haul the ice and switch the cars than they would have been if these items of expense had never been necessary. It is the position of the southern railroads that these two elements of the expense, ice haulage, and switching, involved in the movement of traffic in refrigerator cars, have never been considered or included in determining the measure of the rates charged by them for the trans¬ portation of fruits and vegetables, or any other traffic, from, to, or between points in the southern states; that these freight rates have in practically all instances been fixed and controlled by commercial and competitive con¬ ditions which precluded any consideration of cost ele¬ ments; that the former rates on fruits and vegetables, upon which the present figures are predicated, were established before the commodities on which they ap¬ plied moved in refrigerator cars to any material extent; and that not only were those rates not increased to com¬ pensate the carriers for the added expense of handling the articles in refrigerator cars after they commenced to be shipped that way in large volume, hut, on the con¬ trary, the rates were in most instances actually reduced 42 from time to time up to the general revision of June 25, 1918. Their testimony on this subject falls logically into three branches: that relating to the rates on fruits and vege¬ tables from the southeastern territory ; that dealing with the rates on these commodities from the Mississippi Val¬ ley territory; and that concerning class rates and the rates on various miscellaneous commodities. 1. Rates on Fruits and Vegetables from Southeastern Territory. The witnesses who testified on this branch of the case were Mr. G. L. Tillery, Mr. J. H. Ketner, and Mr. G. H. Kerr. These gentlemen are assistant general freight agents of the Atlantic Coast Line, Seaboard Air Line, and Southern Eailroads, respectively, and each of them has not only had years of experience in the traffic de¬ partments of the roads they represent, but each has just made a thorough study of this particular question. (Pages 7527, 7769, 7770, 7771, 7901.) Florida. The general method of constructing through rates on oranges and other citrus fruits, on other kinds of fruit, and on vegetables is to add proportional or gathering rates from the producing stations to the Florida basing points, of which Jacksonville is the chief, and the propor¬ tional rates from such base points to destinations. (Tillery's Exhibits 4, 5, 6, 7, 10, 11; Ketner, p. 7861, 7862.) 43 The gathering rates to Jacksonville were formerly the same as the local rates to that city, hut in January, 1912, they were reduced,—or rearranged from an any-quantity basis to different rates on carload and less-than-carload shipments—^by the Commission in its report in the case of Florida Fruit and Vegetable Shippers Protective Asso¬ ciation V. A. C. L. R. R. Co., et al., 22 1. C. C., 11, decided November 6,1911. (Tillery, pp. 7550; Tillery's Exhibit 10; Ketner, pp. 7779, 7858; Ketner's Exhibits 1 and 2.) The former any-quantity rates from Florida points to Jacksonville had been fixed by the Florida Railroad Commission, effective March 1, 1898, and represented reductions under the rates which the carriers had estab¬ lished. There is nothing in the records of the carriers or in the reports of the Florida Commission to indicate that any of these rates were fixed with reference to these products moving under refrigeration, or, to any allow¬ ance or addition being made for the haulage of ice or switching to and from ice houses. (Ketner, pp. 7779, 7780, 7782, 7858; Ketner's Exhibits 1 and 2.) Neither is there anything in the report of the Commis¬ sion in 22 I. C. C., 11, to indicate that it included or added any amounts to cover the cost of these items when it reduced the carload rates on fruits and vegetables to Jacksonville, when for beyond. (Tillery, pp. 7550, 7551; Ketner, pp. 7791, 7792, 7876.) At the time of the change made as the result of the Commission's decision practically none of the citrus fruit traffic moved under refrigeration. (Tillery, p. 7551.) 44 On vegetables the rates established by the Commis¬ sion for movement in refrigerator cars allowed approxi¬ mately the same revenue per car as the rates established by it for the movement in ventilated cars. For example, under the basis established from Lakeland, Fla., to Jack¬ sonville, for beyond, the minimum per car charge when in refrigerator cars was $49—when in ventilated cars $50.40—so it will be seen that the Commission added nothing to the transportation charge to cover the addi¬ tional expense of ice haulage in bunkers and of switch¬ ing to ice plants when shipments are under refrigeration. (Tillery, pp. 7550, 7551; Ketner, pp. 7791, 7792.) And these rates have not been changed since then, ex¬ cept for the increase of General Order 28. (Tillery, Exhibits 10 and 11, pp. 7550, 7551 ; Ket¬ ner's Exhibits 1 and 2.) The first all-rail routes from Jacksonville, Fla., to the east became available about the year 1886. (Ketner, p. 7861, 7863; Ketner's Exhibit 4.) Prior to that time and for many years subsequently Florida vegetables and oranges and other fruits shipped to the East moved by boat or railroad to Jacksonville and thence by the coastwise steamship lines. (Tillery, pp. 7540, 7541; Ketner, pp. 7775, 7776, 7777, 7784, 7863, 7864; Ketner's Exhibit 4.) This steamship competition and transportation still exists. (Ketner, p. 7864.) The rates established from time to time by the all-rail routes from Jacksonville to the eastern cities were made to meet this steamship competition—and hence they were 45 fixed without any regard to the kind of cars used, or the cost of handling them. (Tillery, pp. 7540, 7541, 7898; Ketner, pp. 7775, 7776, 7777, 7778, 7855, 7863, 7864.) As a matter of fact, however, the kind of cars used were ordinary freight cars. The first all-rail rates from Florida to the East were made at the time when there was no use of refrigeration in the handling of this class of traffic. This is also true of various species of vege¬ tables which, on account of their more hardy nature, may be successfully transported without refrigeration. (Tillery, p. 7531; Ketner, pp. 7777, 7784, 7785; Ketner's Exhibits 4 and 6.) "The first car out of Florida under refrigeration was in 1888 and the general level of rates out of Florida Avas established prior to that time, and since then there has been a downward trend in those rates, therefore they could not have included this service." (Ketner, p. 7777.) During subsequent years the traffic just referred to (citrus fruits as well as vegetables) demanded more and more the increased use of refrigerator cars in order to secure ventilation, but not refrigeration. (Tillery, pp. 7531, 7534, 7535.) The movement of oranges under refrigeration from Florida is. of comparatively recent origin. Until 1907, the movement Avas almost entirely under ventilation, and, in fact, the greater part of the movement was not handled in refrigerator cars—such portion as did move in re¬ frigerator ears being principally under ventilation, and only a small fraction of the refrigerator car movement was refrigerated. (Tillery, pp. 7535, 7553; Tillery's Exhibit No. 13.) 46 The movement of citrus fruit under refrigeration was negligible prior to the season 1912-1913, while the measure of the rates on this traffic as in effect prior to June 25, 1918, had been fixed and determined before 1912-1913. ( Tillery, p. 7553; Tillery's Exhibits 4 and 5; Ketner, p. 7785.) Conditions affecting the sale and distribution of this traffic have so much changed with the passing of the years that to-day the controlling reason for the demand for refrigerator cars instead of ventilator cars is the fact that the shippers do not always know what the destina¬ tion of the shipment is going to be but are availing them¬ selves more and more of the reconsigning privilege, and require a refrigerator car so that, if necessary, the ship¬ ment may be given refrigeration protection en route without the necessity for transferring the contents of the car. (Tillery, pages 7531, 7532; Ketner, pages 7785, 7786.) Mr. Tillery's Exhibit No. 4 shows the rates in effect since 1897 on citrus fruits from Florida base points to New York, and his Exhibit No. 5, is a similar statement of rates on citrus fruits from Florida base points to Cincinnati, and in both of these statements the earliest rates shown were as high as or higher than the rates Avhich were in effect prior to the general increase of June 25, 1918, under General Order No. 28. (Tillery, pages 7539, 7531.) As stated, these rates were established at a time when little or no citrus fruit traffic moved in refrigerator cars. In fact, the oldest tariffs referred to in these exhibits were intended to apply particularly in connection with 47 the movement on citrus fruits in ordinary or ventilated equipment, and these tariffs made no reference to the handling of shipments in refrigerator cars prior to Octo¬ ber 18, 1900. When the first reference was made in the tariff to the use of these rates in connection wdth ship¬ ments moving under ice in refrigerator cars, the note provided clearly that when oranges, etc., were shipped in refrigerator cars, such cars must be furnished by the shippers, and the cost of icing, etc., would be in addition to the freight rates, the ice to be furnished by the own¬ ers of the cars. (Tillery, pages 7539, 7530, 7531, 7537; Tillery's Exhibits 1, 2, 3.) During the period prior to the passage of the Hep¬ burn bill, the railroad companies published no rates for refrigeration, and the tariffs of the Atlantic Coast Line Railroad publishing the freight rates on fruits and vege¬ tables from Florida contained the following note : "Neither this company nor its connection are en¬ gaged in the refrigeration business, and the rates shown in this tariff do not include compensation for the service or cost of refrigeration." (Tillery, pages 7530, 7531, 7537, 7538.) Effective December 11, 1907, the charges for refrig¬ erating citrus fruits were stated in the same tariff as published the transportation rates from Jacksonville to the eastern and northern markets, but a note was car¬ ried showing that such charges would be in addition to the regular rates of transportation. (Tillery, page 7540.) The notes dealing with the subject of refrigeration in the tariffs carrying the transportation charges on citrus fruits from Florida v^ere modified or changed from time 48 to time but the purpose and effect of these notes at all times was to indicate that the freight rates did not in¬ clude any part of the cost of performing a refrigeration service. (Tillery, page 7540.) Thus the note that became effective on March 6, 1909, states that the rates do not include the cost of refrig¬ eration, and the term "cost of refrigeration," of course, covers not only the ice used but the various services per¬ formed in connection with the furnishing of such ice. (Tillery, pages 7540, 7537, 7538.) The proportional rates on oranges and other citrus fruits from Jacksonville to the Ohio River crossings were made to meet the competition of California oranges in the territory north of the Ohio River, and not with any reference either to the cost of the service or the character of the equipment. (Ketner, pages 7787, 7788.) The rates on citrus fruits from Jacksonville to the East, while originally controlled by the ocean competi¬ tion, were made still lower by the Commission in the Florida Fruit and Vegetable Growers Association case because of and in comparison with the low proportional rates from Jacksonville to Cincinnati and other Ohio River crossings. (Ketner, pages 7787, 7788; Tillery, pages 7898, 7899.) The important fact, of course, is that the freight rates on citrus fruits from Florida are not and never have been based on any factor pertaining to the cost of haul¬ ing ice or the cost of performing switching that is inci¬ dent to the refrigeration service, and the history of the 49 rates, as well as the exhibits of record showing the notes in the tariffs, and the chronological statements of the rates, fully demonstrate this fact. (Tillery, pages 7540, 7530, 7531, 7536, 7895, 7897 ; Tillery's Exhibits 1, 2, 3, 4, 5; Ketner, pages 7779, 7771, 7777, 7779, 7792.) The history of the tariffs on other fruits and on vege¬ tables leads necessarily to the same conclusion with re¬ spect to the rates on those commodities from Jackson¬ ville and other Florida basing points. (Tillery, pages 7542, 7543, 7544; Tillery's Ex¬ hibits 6, 7 ; Ketner, pages 7770, 7771.) These rates Avere also originally made to meet the steamship competition from Jacksonville, and prior to April, 1910, the same transportation rates applied on shipments in refrigerator cars as on shipments in ordi¬ nary or ventilated equipment—in other words, the trans¬ portation rates originally applicable on shipments in ordinary or ventilated equipment had been applied with¬ out change on shipments in refrigerator cars when the traffic began to move in this kind of equipment. (Tillery, page 7536; Ketner, pages 7789, 7855.) Mr. Tillery's Exhibit No. 6 is a chronological state¬ ment of the rates on celery, lettuce and beans in carloads and less than carloads from Jacksonville, when from be¬ yond, to New York, via all-rail, since April, 1895. (Tillery, pages 7542, 7543.) These three vegetables (celery, lettuce, and beans) are well representative of those that move under refrig¬ eration from Florida. The earliest rates shown in this exhibit are as high as or higher than the rates which Avere applicable prior to June 25, 1918. The statement 50 goes back to April 10, 1895, when an any-quantity rate of 43 cents per bushel box was in effect. The tariff then stated by a note that when shipped in refrigerator cars, the cost of icing would be in addition to freight rates, and that refrigerator cars would be furnished by the shipper. We construe the term "cost of icing" as cov¬ ering not only the cost of the ice but also the cost of all of the services incident to the furnishing of such ice. The note was subjected to slight changes and modified from time to time during the succeeding years until August 2, 1906, -when it was revised to show that neither the ini¬ tial carrier nor its connections were engaged in a re¬ frigeration business, and that the rates shown in the tariff did not include compensation for the service or cost of refrigeration. (Tillery, pages 7543, 7544.) The only difference in the rates from Florida points as between shipments of fruits and vegetables under re¬ frigeration and under ventilation resulted from the order of the Interstate Commerce Commission in Florida Fruit and Vegetable Shippers Protective Association v. A. C. L. R. R. Co. et al., 17 I. C. C., 552, decided February 8,1910, in which the Commission ordered as to vegetables a minimum of 350 crates under refrigeration, and a mini¬ mum of 420 crates under ventilation, because when shipped under refrigeration, not over 350 crates, equiva¬ lent to 17,500 pounds, can be properly loaded, and like¬ wise provided different rates per package as applied to these different minima. (Tillery, page 7532.) It may be correctly stated that the only reason why the Commission provided these different rates per pack¬ age was in order to insure to the carriers approximately 51 thé same earnings per car on vegetables when shipped in refrigerator cars as when handled in ventilated cars. (Tillery, pages 7532, 7533; Ketner, page 7791.) This was certainly the effect of the difference pre¬ scribed, so far as the minimum car was concerned; and this may be illustrated by the rate fixed on vegetables, N. 0. S., including celery, from Jacksonville, when from beyond, to New York via all rail, which became effective April 15,1910. The carload rate under refrigeration was made 39 cents per standard crate, 350 crates minimum— which is equal to $136.50 per minimum car, and the car¬ load rate under ventilation was made 33 cents per stand¬ ard crate, minimum 420 crates—or $138.60 per minimum ear. This illustration shows that the Commission, hav¬ ing established both the rate under ventilation and that when under refrigeration, did not take into consideration the added cost of hauling ice in bunkers and switching cars to ice plants, because the rate under refrigeration makes the per car charge actually less than the per car charge when under ventilation. If it had taken into con¬ sideration the costs of the additional service involved when the movement is under refrigeration, the rate or revenue per car would have been made substantially higher than that applying when in ventilated cars. (Tillery, pages 7532, 7533; Tillery's Exhibit 6; Ketner, page 7791.) There is absolutely nothing in the Commission's sev¬ eral reports in the proceeding referred to, which indi¬ cates that it included the items of ice haulage and switch¬ ing in fixing the freight rates on vegetables when shipped under refrigeration, and there was absolutely no evi¬ dence or admission by the carriers' witnesses in that proceeding to the effect that those items had ever been considered or included in arriving at the former rates 52 on fruits or vegetables from Florida. The reports, of course, "speak for themselves," but this statement as to the carriers ' testimony is substantiated by a recent care¬ ful examination by Mr. Ketner of the record in that case. (Ketner, pages 7791, 7792, 7875, 7876, 7884, 7885, 7886, 7887.) The history of these rates on vegetables from Jackson¬ ville to the East and of the notes in the taritfs publishing them, as shown in Mr. Tillery's Exhibit 6, and detailed in his testimony, and in that of Mr. Ketner, clearly show that the rates do not and never have included any factor pertaining to the cost of hauling ice in bunkers or of switching incidental to refrigeration. "The oldest rates shown did not include such factors in their construction, and nothing has ever been added to the rates to cover such factors." On the contrary, the rates have been re¬ duced from time to time. (Tillery, pages 7543, 7544; Ketner, pages 770, This is equally true in respect to the proportional rates on Florida vegetables from Jacksonville to the West. The exhibits of record do not contain the earliest figures, but the rates they do show were made in competition with the rates on and the movement of vegetables from producing points in other territories, and not with any regard to the cost of transportation. (Tillery, pages 7544, 7545; Tillery's Exhibit 7; Ketner, pages 7786, 7770, 7771.) Thus there was in effect prior to January, 1910, an ex¬ tremely low depressed competitive rate of only 25 cents per crate on vegetables from Jacksonville to Cincinnati and the other Ohio River cities, and this rate was in¬ creased to 30 cents, effective January 10, 1910, not be¬ cause of any cost considerations or of the kinds of cars 53 used, but simply because the former rate was consid¬ ered unnecessarily low, and it was thought that the slightly higher rate of 30 cents per crate would be low enough to permit the Florida producers to meet the com¬ petition of other vegetable growing sections in marketing their produce. (Tillery, page 7545; Tillery's Exhibit No. 7; Ketner, pages 7786, 7887.) The 30-cent rate from Jacksonville to the Ohio River crossings was also considered by the Commission in the Florida Fruit d Vegetable Shippers Case, 17 I. C. C., 558, and was approved as reasonably low. In fact, the Commission indicated that this rate was really lower than it Avould or could prescribe as a maximum reasonable figure. (Ketner, pages 7787, 7854, 7855; Tillery, page 7545.) The oldest tariffs publishing rates on vegetables from Jacksonville to the Ohio and Mississippi River cities and crossings made no reference to shipments in refrigerator cars, the rates being published to apply on shipments in ordinary or ventilated equipment, but the wording of those tariffs did not preclude their application on ship¬ ments in refrigerator cars, although the refrigeration charges were in addition, but the freight rates were not constructed based on any factor pertaining to the haulage of ice or the cost of switching incidental to the refrigera¬ tion service. Effective April 17, 1905, a note was in¬ cluded in the tariffs so as to clearly show that the cost of icing would be in addition to the rates published there¬ in. This note was later changed to read as follows : "Rates shown in this tariff do not include com¬ pensation for the service or cost of refrigeration." These notes have been subjected to some modification 54 since that time, but the intention at all times has been to make it clear that the freight rates on vegetables from Florida to the North and West do not and never did include the cost of the refrigeration service, and it is a fact that in the construction of these rates no factor of the refrigeration cost was ever taken into consideration. (Tillery, pages 7545, 7546; Ketner, pages 7770, 7771, 7786, 7787, 7792.) Mr. Tillery's exhibits and testimony as to the general downward tendency of the rates on fruits and vegetables from Florida is confirmed by Mr. Ketner's investigation of the Seaboard Air Line's records and tariffs; as are also his conclusions. (Ketner, pages 7770, 7771, 7772, 7773, 7774.) The Carolinas. Until the present inquiry was presented, no considera¬ tion of the item of expense of transporting ice in bunk¬ ers or switching cars to the ice plants has ever been given in constructing rates for the transportation of fruits or vegetables from points in North and South Carolina. The volume of the Carolina perishable traffic moves under rates which on June 24, 1918, were lower than the rates for the same service as originally estab¬ lished. There is relatively a small use of refrigeration in the movement of perishable traffic from Carolina ter¬ ritory as compared with the movement in ventilated box cars. The largest single item of refrigerated movement consists of strawberries, on which the rates were estab¬ lished without regard to the expense of transporting ice in bunkers or switching refrigerator cars to be iced. While the strawberry traffic is of such a character as to require refrigeration, rates thereon were made prior to the time when refrigeration rates were published by the 55 railroads which took place immediately subsequent to the passage of the Hepburn Bill. They did not at that time make any change in the specific freight rates, but merely brought forward and published in their taritf form the separately established charges for refrigera¬ tion. These refrigeration charges were paid to the pri¬ vate car line and the railroads continued to receive their old freight rates. That is to say, the publication of a re¬ frigeration tariff resulted in no increased earnings for the carriers. Before that time, the transportation tariffs on not only berries, but other fruits and vegetables, pro¬ vided specifically that the rates contained therein did not include any expense of refrigeration, and the shippers dealt directly with refrigerator car companies. (Tillery, pages 7528, 7529, 7547.) Throughout all of these years no transportation rate was predicated upon any factor pertaining to the refrig¬ eration service. The same rates have applied on fruits and vegetables in refrigerator cars as were applicable on fruits and vegetables in ventilated box cars. (Tillery, pages 7529, 7530, 7547; Tillery's Ex¬ hibits 8, 9.) The early all-rail rates on vegetables from the South Carolina producing section around Charleston were made to compete with the movement via steamer lines from Charleston to eastern cities, and the eastern markets have always taken the greater part of the produce shipped from the Charleston section. In those early days the service by the direct steamers was just as quick or quicker than via all rail, and the all-rail lines were compelled to make very low rates in order to control a share of the business. The rate adjustment from the Charleston district which originated under these con¬ ditions has influenced the adjustment not only from the 56 other Carolina points but to all eastern destinations. The competition via Norfolk and steamship has also influ¬ enced some of these rates. (Tillery, pages 7547, 7548, 7549; Ketner, pages 7774, 7775.) Not only has nothing ever been added to these water competitive rates to compensate the all-rail carriers for the added cost of handling the traffic in refrigerator cars, but the tendency of the rates has been gradually down¬ wards. Thus the rates on cabbage, potatoes, and other vegetables from Meggetts and Yonges Island, S. C., which are typical points on the Atlantic Coast Line Eail- road near Charleston, to New York, via all rail were substantially reduced from time to time during the twenty- year period from March, 1898, to June, 1918, and this ex¬ ample is fairly illustrative of the history and tendency of the rates from other shipping points in South Carolina as well as from points in North Carolina. (Tillery's Exhibit 8, page 7547; Tillery, page 7547 ; Ketner, pages 7773, 7774.) Moreover, the tariffs publishing these rates have al¬ ways contained notes stating that they did not include refrigerating costs and those notes necessarily demon¬ strate that the rates are not, and never have been, con¬ structed based on any factor pertaining to the cost of hauling ice or the cost of SAvitching that is incidental to the refrigerating service. (Tillery, pages 7547, 7528, 7529, 7530; Ketner, pages 7770, 7771.) What has been just said about the method of construct¬ ing rates, as to the factors taken into consideration, ap¬ plies also to the rates from the Carolina territory to the West. (Tillery, page 7549; Tillery's Exhibit 9; Ket¬ ner, pages 7770, 7771.) 57 However, the movement of vegetables from Carolina points to the West is unusual and unimportant. (Tillery, pages 7549, 7550.) On apples shipped from points in North Carolina to the South the rates of the railroads were fixed merely as the freight rates to apply on shipments in ordinary box cars and when the shippers see fit to supply a refriger¬ ator car the railroads haul the traffic and charge precisely the same rates. (Kerr, page 7927.) This fact is established by Mr. Kerr's Exhibit 8, which shoves. the rates published by the Southern Eailroad since 1896 on apples from Hendersonville, N. C., to At¬ lanta, Birmingham, Chattanooga and Montgomery. The purpose of this exhibit is to show that the rates on ap¬ ples did not include either refrigeration or the use of refrigerator cars. The tariffs publishing these rates all contained notes indicating that neither the Southern Bail- way nor its connections are engaged in a refrigerator business and that the rates shown in the tariffs do not include compensation for the service or cost of refriger¬ ation. (Kerr, pages 7926, 7927; Kerr's Exhibit 8.) Virginia. The principal movement referred to in this record from points in Virginia- is that of apples under refrigeration. (Kerr, pages 7927, 7929.) But the record shows that about 90 per cent of the movement of apples from Virginia is in ordinary box cars. (Kerr, page 7928.) 58 Moreover, there was no change' (other than the general five per cent advance in 1915) in the rates on apples from Charlottesville, Va., and Harrisonburg, Va., representa¬ tive shipping points, to New York and Philadelphia dur¬ ing the 21 years from 1897 to 1918, and this fact, coupled vdth the fact that about 90 per cent of the movement is in box cars, indicates that the rates were made and intended to apply primarily on shipments in ordinary box cars. (Kerr, page 7928; Kerr's Exhibit 9.) Georgia. The refrigeration charges on Georgia peaches are satis¬ factory to the shippers, and for that reason the carriers did not introduce evidence on the question whether the rates on peaches from points in Georgia do or do not include the cost of ice haulage and switching. They do not, however, concede that the freight rates do include either of these items. (Bell, pages 7727, 7725.) MISCELLANEOUS BATES OF THE SOUTHEEN RAILROADS. CLASSIFICATION RATINGS AND CLASS BATES. The classification ratings in the Southern Classifica¬ tion, and consequently the class rates in the Southern Classification territory, do not now include, and never have included protection of the commodities upon which they apply from either heat or cold, and none of these rates or ratings have ever included the cost or charges for such services, or been made higher than they other¬ wise would have been because of any additional expense to the carriers in handling shipments in refrigerator cars, or in cars protected from the cold. (Voorhees, pages 7505, 7506, 7507, 7508, 7510, 7511, 7512, 751.3, 7514, 7515, 7516, 7517, 7522.) 59 The facts were testified to by Mr. E. K. Voorhees, who is a member of the Southern Classification Committee, and who has had years of experience in southern and other classification work, as the result of a recent care¬ ful investigation by him of the subject, classification and carrier records, as rvell as of his personal experience since the year 1896. (Voorhees, pages 7501, 7502, 7504, 7508.) The rules of the current and former Southern Classi¬ fications, a complete record of which is contained in Mr. Voorhees' Exhibits 1 and 2, make it very plain that none of the classification ratings or rules require the rail¬ roads to furnish refrigeration or protection from cold for either carload or less-than-carload shipments. (Voorhees, pages 7504, 7505, 7506, 7507, 7514, 7515; Voorhees' Exhibits 1 and 2, pages 7505, 7514.) The fact that the coastwise steamship lines between the eastern cities and the South Atlantic ports, who have no refrigerating facilities, have always been parties to the Southern Classification tends strongly to indicate that the ratings do not include either the service or ex¬ pense of refrigeration. (Voorhees, pages 7503, 7512.) The history of the ratings themselves compels the same inference since many of the ratings on perishable commodities have either remained unchanged for many years, or have been gradually reduced. (Voorhees, pages 7515, 7519, 7520; Voorhees' Exhibit 3.) Also the same result follows from comparing the rat¬ ings on perishable commodities, and those on various other articles of traffic having like classification charac- 6C teristics, since many of the perishable articles are rated as low as or lower than comparable nonperishahle com¬ modities, and this would not he the case if the excep¬ tional costs of furnishing refrigeration or protection from cold had been taken into consideration. (Voorhees, pages 7516, 7517, 7520, 7521; Voor- hees' Exhibit 4.) Moreover, it is obvious that the southern carriers would not advertise in a general tariff like a classifi¬ cation that the ratings therein included protective serv¬ ice when as a matter of fact many of the railroads never owned any refrigerator or heater cars and were not equipped to perform such service and others furnished it only to a limited extent. (Voorhees, pages 7511, 7512.) Lastly, many of the commodities named in the pro¬ posed Perishable Protective Tariff No. 1, under certain conditions, may be handled safely and satisfactorily in common ears and protective service is not required in all instances; hence, it is not practicable or customary in making up or revising classifications to base the ratings on any such factors, or to make them include the cost of protective service against heat or cold, because, as Mr. Voorhees explained, "in so many cases the articles move both in common cars and in refrigerator cars ; almost any article that is shipped in some part of the country is shipped without ice. There may be a few that would always require ice, but there are a very few. Some ar¬ ticles are shipped to-day under refrigeration that ten years ago were shipped without refrigeration." (Voorhees, pages 7513, 7514, 7523, 7524.) Hence, the classification attitude is that if an article moves under refrigeration whether there is an additional 61 charge or not it ought to be authorized separately from the classification. The classification is too general a tariff to cover any such special service, and the man making the classification does not know Avhether it is go¬ ing to move under refrigeration or not. (Voorhees, pages 7524, 7525.) "Based upon my personal experience with the ques¬ tion, which extends to 1896 at least," testified Mr. Voor¬ hees "and the investigation I have made, the rating never did include, and do not now include, the charges for such service," as protection from heat or cold. (Voorhees, page 7508.) Rates on Poultry and Eggs. The railroads in the Southern territory do not pro¬ vide scheduled refrigerator car services within the scope of Section 6 of the proposed tariff. The Southern Kail- road is the one exception to this, and its traffic which would come under the provisions of Section 6 is confined to shipments of eggs and dressed poultry from stations on the lines in eastern Tennessee to eastern cities. That service is already covered by a refrigeration tariff, I. C. C. No. A-8573 which became effective June 10, 1919. (Kerr, pages 7909, 7910.) This refrigeration service has been in effect only a few months although the traffic has been moving in ordi¬ nary equipment for a great number of years. (Kerr, pages 7913, 7914, 7915.) The freight rates on eggs and dressed poultry from points on the Southern Railroad in east Tennessee never did and do not now include the cost of refrigeration. As a matter of fact, refrigeration was never considered 62 necessary on these shipments of eggs nntil just recently. (Kerr, pages 7918, 7919, 7920.) The rates remained unchanged from 1902 to June 25, 1918, during Avhich time the traffic moved in ordinary cars and the present freight rates were not increased in any way when the shipments recently commenced to move in refrigerator cars. (Kerr's Exhibit 7, page 7919; Kerr, pages 7919, 7920.) Rates on Fresh Meats and Packing-House Products. The rates charged on shipments of fresh meats and packing-house products from the West to the Southeast, and from Birmingham, Alabama to the North and East were never made to include or with reference to the costs of hauling ice in refrigerator cars, or of switching such cars for icing or re-icing. (Ketner, pages 7789, 7790, 7868.) Rates Not Dealt With. So far as the rates on fruits and vegetables from Flor¬ ida and the Carolinas are concerned, the points of origin and points of destination shown in the various exhibits and discussed in the testimony are fairly illustrative of the general adjustment of rates on that traffic. (Tillery, page 7553.) Counsel for the railroads in the southern region ex¬ plained of record that they had only introduced testi¬ mony dealing Avith representative rate situations, but that the southern carriers do not concede that any of their freight charges applicable on shipments handled in refrigerator cars Avere ever made to include the items of ice haulage and switching, or any higher than they 63 otherwise would have been if the traffic were not han¬ dled in refrigerator cars. (Eecord, pages 7935, 7936.) CONCLUSIONS AS TO SOUTHEASTERN TERRITORY. It seems entirely evident from the positive testimony of Messrs. Ketner and Tillery representing the two rail¬ roads that handle the principal part of the traffic, that the freight rates published by those railroads for the transportation of citrus fruits and vegetables from points on their lines and on their connecting lines in Florida to northern and eastern markets were not originally made and have never since been made higher than they other¬ wise would have been made because of the handling of a portion of this traffic in refrigerator cars. "I made a conscientious effort," testified Mr. Ket¬ ner, "to develop whether our freight charges and transportation charges on fruits and vegetables from Florida and Carolina territory involved the item of ice haulage in bunkers in refrigerator cars, and switching to and from ice houses, and I say the result of my investigation is that our freight charges as originally established and as they now stand do not include those items, and never have included them." If that is so it is not clear how the shippers can have any just complaint against the inclusion of the cost of these services in the refrigerator ear rates. They are extra accessorial services, incidental only to the move¬ ment of shipments under refrigeration, and there seems to he no impropriety in asking the users of the refrigera¬ tors to stand the added expense of which they alone ob¬ tain the benefit. And if they ought to pay some one for the extra costs of ice haulage and switching at ice plants, it should he immaterial to them whether the payment is 64 collected in the g'uise of freight rates or refrigerator charges. At any rate, the evidence is entirely clear that such payments have never heretofore been included or collected in the carriers '■ rates of freight, and it would be therefore essentially unfair to them to reduce those rates, as the Florida people suggest be done, because of the in¬ clusion of these items in the refrigerator rates. Merely because some $13.50 per car has been included in the re¬ frigeration charge as representing the cost of ice haul¬ age and switching from Florida to New York would fur¬ nish no just reason for reducing the railroads' rates and revenues $13.50 per car on Florida fruits and vegetables, because, as pointed out by Mr. Ketner, "that element has not been included in the freight rate, and why should we have to pay $13.50 for something that has been included in the freight rate"! While it is true that the carriers perform the service of hauling the ice and switching the cars, it is equally true that the exceptional expense of performing this service would not be incurred if the shipments were not made in refrigerator cars and under refrigeration, it therefore is an item of cost that is properly allocated to the re¬ frigerator car service; and if the railroads have the right to make an additional charge for it (and such a right will hardly be disputed), there seems nothing il¬ logical or unreasonable so far as the shippers are con¬ cerned in providing for such charges in the refrigeration rates instead of the freight schedules, if the carriers elect to do so. Arlington Heights Fruit Exchange v. S. P. Co. et al., 20 I. C. C., 106, at pages 108,109. The only real objection the Florida shippers have to urge against this method of assessment is their erroneous assumption that this additional charge has been taken into account already in determining the freight rates, and the sole argument they can advance against the car- 65 riers' positive and convincing evidence that this assump¬ tion is erroneous is the curious fallacy that the railroads are estopped from denying it because in previous hear¬ ings before the Commission their witnesses in defending the reasonableness of the freight rates on fruits and vegetables from Florida have referred to the obvious fact that it is more expensive to handle perishables in refrigerator cars than in ordinary freight car equip¬ ment. The essential fallacy in this argument lies in their failure to distinguish between the factors which may happen to be considered by a trafSc official (or the Com¬ mission) in fixing a given rate, and the various evi¬ dentiary facts or arguments which he may later rely upon in defending such a rate, however made against the charge that it is so high as to be unjust and unreason¬ able. We see nothing at all inconsistent or illogical in saying that a given rate, such as, for example, the rate on vegetables from Jacksonville to Cincinnati, was made, solely in order to meet competition, and at the same time asserting that one of the reasons why it is not an un¬ reasonably high rate is the fact that the service is ex¬ ceptionally expensive and among the causes of such ex¬ pense are the use of refrigerator cars and the various additional costs that are necessarily incurred in han¬ dling traffic moving under refrigeration. Such a defense of a rate does not imply that these additional costs were considered in arriving at the measure of the rate, espe¬ cially when those Avho made the rates testify positively that no costs at all were considered. Let us consider an analogous case. In the transpor¬ tation of coal traffic it is usually necessary to return the cars to the mines empty. That is an additional expense which is not incurred in the handling of most of the kinds of traffic. The rates on coal from western Kentucky 66 mines to Memphis, Tenn., have been for many years de¬ pressed and made unusually low because of the competi¬ tion of Pennsylvania coal floated down the Ohio and Mis¬ sissippi Rivers. That competition was the reason and the sole reason for the exact figures that were accepted for the movement of coal by railroad from the western Kentucky mines to Memphis. Yet when those figures came to be attacked before the Commission as being ex¬ cessive and unreasonable the carriers' witnesses in de¬ fending the rates showed and properly showed, along with a mass of other evidentiary facts, that the coal cars are hauled back empty from Memphis to the mines. Manifestly, their action in directing attention to this fact did not involve any admission that the cost of this empty return movement was included in the rate, because they proved from their records, and the Commission so found, that the measure of the rate was determined solely by the river competition, and without any regard to any of the costs of service at all. Coal S Coke Rates in the Southeast, 35 I. C. C., 187, Rates on Rituminous Coal to Mississippi Valleif Territory 36 I. C. C., 401. .It would be obviously unfair and illogical under these circum¬ stances to reduce this rate on coal from western Ken¬ tucky mines to Memphis in the event some traffic would develop which Avould enable the cars to be handled back loaded instead of empty, merely because a witness in de¬ fending the rate referred to the empty return movement as an added item of expense. Yet this is precisely the position of the Florida pro¬ ducers in the pending proceeding. They want cither the freight rates or the refrigeration reduced by some $12.50 per car merely because the defendant's witnesses in the old Florida Fruit é Vegetable Association Cases, 14 I. C. C., 476, 17 I. C. C., 552 and 22 I. C. C., 11, referred to the facts that part of the shipments moved in special 67 equipment under refrigeration, that it is more expensive to handle freight in refrigerator cars than in ordinary ecjuipment, and that one of these added costs is the han¬ dling of ice in cars and switching at ice plants, as con¬ stituting some of the reasons, along Avith a large number of others why their rates on fruits and vegetables from Florida producing points to the North and East were not excessive or unreasonable. Yet the same witnesses testified that those rates, which applied on shipments in all kinds of cars, had been made by them expressly and soleh^ to meet ocean competition to the East and market competition to the West, and this fact alone precludes any admission or estoppel that they had included the costs of ice haulage and switching in fixing the measure of the rates so made. Such an estoppel aa'ouM be without sanction in reason or in law, an\T\my, in this present investigation where the Commission is seeking to ascertain the facts as they actually exist, and where it is not hound by a record of testimony taken eight or ten years ago ; a record that is not even made a part of the present proceeding. In the present record it has before it the evidence of experi¬ enced traffic officers of the tAvo railroads that made the rates and Avho ought to knoAv hoAv and AAffiy the rates Avere made and what factors AA-ere considered in making them, and A\dio have just completed a careful investigation of the subject. It has also the history of the rates and chronological statements of the changes in them since an early period. It has also before it the important con¬ sideration that the general tendency of these rates has been gradually doAvnward, that the original figures were determined at a time Avhen the movement of freight in refrigerators was utterly insignificant, and that no one can point to any specific time since then at AA'hich the cost of ice haulage and ice plant sAvitching of refrigera- 68 tor cars was added on to those figures or any subse¬ quent ones. If at any time during ali these years the Atlantic Coast Line or Seaboard Air Line traffic officials deliberately added |12.50 per car or any other amount to the rates published by those railroads on fruits and vegetables from Florida, for the purpose of making those rates include a charge for the services of ice haulage and switching to and from icing plants, the records of those carriers would show it, and their present officials would know of it. Yet none of them knows anything about it, the rates themselves do not show it, and the only pos¬ sible conclusion is that it never happened. There is certainly nothing in the reports of the Com¬ mission in the Florida Fruit rs at the conclusion of a trip melts before the car again moves out under load. The witness George H. Nelson stated that a rule in the tariff permitting consignee use of ice remaining in bunkers would delay the equipment. (Tr., 1767.) See also Witness McPike's Exhibit No. 89. 326 BULE 244. This rule contains rules and charges relating to the consolidation of fresh fruits, berries, melons and fresh vegetables from California. These rules and charges were incorporated in the tar¬ iff upon the express request of certain shippers in Cali¬ fornia interested therein. No attack has been made upon the rule or charges but the carriers have voluntarily submitted evidence in justification of the measure of the charges shown therein. Witness George H. Nelson by his Exhibit No. 9 covers a consolidated amount of both de¬ ciduous fruits and vegetables taking in representative cars, one in January, one in February, eight in March, four in June, two in August and nine in November. He shows an average cost of ice of |10.65, ice haulage 70 cents, a charge for switching at 35 cents per switch, of 55 cents, and an estimated supervision cost of |1.50, making the total items properly chargeable per car $13.40. This is contrasted wdth a proposed refrigera¬ tion revenue of $15 per car, leaving a difference to cover profit and hazard of $1.60. The witness stated that the cost of ice was figured upon the amount of ice supplied which would not have been necessary had cars not moved into consolidation point; in other words, the consolidated cars took 4,016 pounds more ice than shipments moving straight through. (Tr., 112.) Exhibit No. 7 of the witness E. C. Dearborn shows the average expense of handling part carload shipments un¬ der Eule 244 during July, August and September, 1918. The first five part carloads moved each month during July, August and September, 1918, between points in the same group territory in northern California. Fif¬ teen cars are included in the exhibit. The average cost 327 per car was $13.55 as against the proposed charge in the tariff of $15. The items going to make up the sum of $13.55 are: Cost of ice, at $2.89 per ton $8.47 Ice haulage 2.38 Switching .70 Supervision 2.00 Total cost $13.55 This leaves a margin of $1.45 to cover profit and haz¬ ard. (Tr., 255.) RULE 245. Rule No. 245 covers precooled and preiced citrus fruit from California. It provides; 1st. For a charge covering cars completely loaded and afterwards precooled by carrier and forwarded without initial or transit icing. 2d. Charges when carload shipments of citrus fruit have been precooled by the shipper in a regu¬ larly established precooling plant and loaded into a car preiced by the shipper at the station where the precooling plant is located, and forwarded under in¬ structions "Do not re-ice," and 3d. Charges covering carload shipments of citrus fruit precooled and preiced by the carrier and for¬ warded under instructions from the shipper "Do not re-ice." _ 4th. Charges covering cases where on instruc¬ tions from the shipper, owner or consignee, a car handled under the provision of this rule is iced or re- iced before arrival in the terminal train yard serv¬ ing the final destination ; also where icing or re-icing is performed after arrival of cars in such terminal train yard. 5th. Charges covering a case where the shippers shall place under "Standard Ventilation." Shippers' Vieivs. Witness Attorney W. E. Lamb : Attorney Lamb, representing the California Citrus League objected to paying on a precooled car from Cali¬ fornia put under regular refrigeration in Omaha, des¬ tined to New York City, the same full stated refrigera¬ tion charge applying on a car from Omaha proper to New York City. He asked whether or not in the case of a car from Omaha proper a "Stated Eefrigeration Charge" would include the icing of the dry car. The witness, E. F. McPike, who was under examination at the time, answered "Yes." Mr. Lamb then asked if in the case of a precooled shipment, we would pay the same "Stated Eefrigeration Charge" even though the bunk¬ ers might be half full of ice and the car fully cooled. The witness, E. F. McPike, replied "Yes." Mr. Lamb then inquired whether or not the shipper of a precooled car gets any credit under Eule No. 245 for any ice that might have been in the car at Omaha. The witness, E. F. McPike, replied "Not so far as that charge is concerned." Witness C. C. Buedick : We object to not being allowed to precool cars. The différent associations have expressed their desire that they be allowed this privilege. It seems it is rather discrimination against this section of the country, espe¬ cially Michigan, inasmuch as citrus fruits are allowed precooling. They think it is necessary, especially, to precool peaches. They carry a great deal of heat into a car, and if they move as soon as they are loaded they are soft, and due to the rough roadbed they are shaken up pretty badly. (Tr., 5471.) The precooling to which the witness refers means al¬ lowing the car to stand after it is loaded. 329 There are no precooling plants in Michigan. (Tr., 5487.) Witness A. W. Ka.lb: There is competition between citrus and deciduous fruits. Kule provides for precooling and preicing of citrus fruits from California, etc. This must necessarily include all overhead charges which the carriers have been contending for in addition to the cost of the ice. (Tr., 5508.) Ansiver. Witness E. F. McPike: On redirect examination of Witness McPike by Attor¬ ney Westlake, the witness stated that there would be a reduction of charges rather than any increase of charges under proposed Kule 245, as compared with rules for¬ merly in effect, because under the former rule where the, shipper asked that the car be iced in transit or placed under refrigeration, the full stated refrigeration charge applied from point of origin to the ultimate destination. AVitness thought that this was universally true in cases of that kind under current tariffs. (Tr., 533-534.) On recross examination by Mr. Lamb, AVitness McPike stated that proposed Kule 245 in its entirety will result in a reduction of what would be the gross charges if thé rule in the current tariffs were on the contrary to be applied, but he admitted that of course there would be an increase in the stated refrigeration charge proper un¬ der the proposed new tariff. (Tr., 536-537.) Mr. Lamb then asked if it was not the feeling of the Kefrigeration Committee at AVashington "in the Febru¬ ary, 1919, conference with shippers that the current tariff rule which provides that when a precooled car is put under refrigeration in transit, the full stated re- 330 frigeration charge "will apply from point of origin, was an unreasonable rule, but Witness McPike said be never beard any member of the committee express that opinion and be didn't think they bad any such idea in mind, but the witness did not know the real underlying reason the California lines may have bad in proposing the more lib¬ eral rule now contemplated. (Tr., 536-537.) In support of the principle to which Mr. Lamb objects, reference is made to the case of Camphell v. St. Louis B. é M. Raihvuy Company, 44 I. C. C., 567, and the case of Wattam et al. v. Northern Pacific Railroad Com¬ pany et al., 37 I. C. C., 101-102. In support of the measure of the charges contained in Eule 245, the witness, Geo. H. Nelson, submitted bis Ex¬ hibits Nos. 10 and 11. (Tr., 9091.) And the witness, E. C. Dearborn, submitted bis Exhibits Nos. 8 and 9. (Tr., 272.) Nelson's Exhibit No. 10 is submitted in justification of the proposed charges as compared with the present uni¬ form charge of $7.50 from California points to all desti¬ nations. The charges are justified by taking into con¬ sideration the following factors : Damage to refrigera¬ tion devices, $5; the haulage of an average weight of 9,000 pounds of ice in the bunkers at one cent per hun¬ dred pounds, per one hundred miles, the distance be¬ ing figured from a representative point (San Bernar¬ dino) on short line haulage, to representative destina¬ tions in the United States and Canada. It will be noted that in nearly all instances, the pro¬ posed charges are either a little less than the cost to the carriers of the service, or exceed that cost by a very small margin. In the original Arlington Heights case, the Commission found $7.50 to be a reasonable charge for the service. 331 based upon the fact that on shipments precooled and pre- iced by the shipper, a much heavier load of fruit was transported than on shipments moving under standard refrigeration; that a standard load of precooled and pre- iced by shipper cars was seven tiers wide and two tiers high, whereas under standard refrigeration, shipments were six tiers Avide and two tiers high. The total charge for the precooled, preiced by shipper cars on the basis of the heavier loading was in excess of that on cars moving under standard refrigeration at standard refrigeration rate. Since this decision by the Commission, the standard load for citrus fruit, whether precooled or preiced by the shipper or moving under standard refrigeration as sup¬ plied by the carrier, is exactly the same. This is the testimony in this proceeding of the shippers ' witness, E. G. Dezell, and the witnesses for the carriers. This be¬ ing a fact, Ave feel that there is no reason why carriers should not receive the additional compensation to which they are entitled to cover damage to refrigeration devices and the haulage of the average Aveight of ice. Nelson's Exhibit No. 11 covers shipments precooled and preiced by the carrier. It makes a comparison be- tAveen the present uniform charge from California to all destinations of $35 per car Avith proposed charges rang¬ ing from $27.50 per car (California intrastate) to the maximum of $52.50 to certain eastern destinations and points in Canada. It also contrasts Avith these figures the total cost to the carriers for performing the services. The factors used are—1st, the uniform figure of $5.15 representing the cost to the carriers of precooling cars ; 2d, cost of initial icing of five tons at $3 per ton at San Bernardino; 3d, damage to refrigeration devices of $5; 4th, switching, 35c per car to and from the ice plant at San Bernardino ; and 5th, haulage of an average weight of ice of 6,000 pounds at one cent per hundred pounds 332 for one hundred miles for the average haul computed by the short line haulage. It -will be again noted that the cost of the carriers is either greater than the proposed charge, or less by a comparatively small margin. Dearborn's Exhibits 8 and 9 are made up on practi¬ cally the same basis. The average weight of ice in the bunkers being the same, and the ice costs being figured at $2.9859 against $3 used by Mr. Nelson. The results reflected by these two exhibits closely approximate those shown by Nelson's Exhibits 10 and 11. The principle of this rule is more liberal to the ship¬ pers than that now in effect from California on ship¬ ments which require ice in transit, inasmuch as the pres¬ ent tariffs provide that in those cases the full stated re¬ frigeration charge from point of origin will apply, while the present rule picks up the rate at the point where the icing in transit is first performed. There is no foundation for the witness, Burdick's state¬ ment that we should promulgate a similar rule for Mich¬ igan, as according to his own statement, there are no precooling plants in Michigan. (Tr. 5487.) The same observation maj^ be made with regard to the objection of the witness A. W. Cowle so far as shipments of deciduous fruits from Omaha are concerned. See also Witness McPike's Exhibit No. 42. In computing the ice haulage the witnesses Nelson and Dearborn used an average weight of 9,000 pounds of ice in bunkers, while the California Citrus League, rep¬ resented by Mr. Lamb, contended that this figure was excessive. Mr. Dearborn arrived at his figure of 9,000 pounds average weight by using an average initial icing by the shippers of 14,000 pounds and an average amount of 4,000 pounds in the bunkers at destination. Taking the maximum and the minimum we have 18,000 pounds. 333 which divided hy two gives 9,000 pounds as the average amount of ice in the hunkers continuously. The witness Nelson stated that the shipper usually iced his cars to 12,000 or 12,500 pounds; that the average amount of ice in the hunkers at destination is 6,000 pounds. Adding the 12,000 and the 6,000 pounds to¬ gether, and dividing by two gives us the average of 9,000 pounds of ice in the hunkers continually. Mr. Nel¬ son stated that he thought this was actually a little hit low. (Tr., 117-118.) The witness, E. A. Coons, connected with the Pacific Fruit Express (concerning whose cars Mr. Dearborn was testifying) testified that the average initial icing on pre- cooled shipments by shippers is 13,800 pounds, that is, 46 blocks of ice at 300 pounds each. (Tr., 560.) The witness E. G. Dezell (for the California Citrus League) testified that a fair statement of the average weight of the ice loaded by the shippers in S. P. E. D. cars Avhere they preice the shipments would be about 12,500 pounds. (Tr., 921.) This is 500 pounds in excess of the figure used hy Mr. Nelson. The same witness testified that the average weight of the ice loaded hy shippers in P. F. E. cars would he somewhere between 13,000 and 13,800 pounds. (Tr., 922- 923.) Splitting the difference between those two figures we have 13,400 pounds, which is 600 pounds less than klr. Dearborn figured on. This would make a difference of 300 pounds in tlie average amount of ice hauled in tlie hunkers continuously. In other words, Mr. Dear- horn's exhibit on sliipments precooled and preiced hy the shippers would have to be corrected hy figuring the aver¬ age amount of ice in hunkers continuously at 8,700 pounds instead of 9,000 pounds. This, of course, would make an almost negligible difference in the item for ice 334 haulage. It must further be taken into consideration that both Mr. Dearborn and Mr. Nelson figured the ice haulage on the average amount of ice in the bunkers continuously by taking the amount originally placed in the bunkers and adding it to the amount in the bunkers at the furthest destination, to wit, New York, and then dividing the result by two. Of course, all of such ship¬ ments do not go to New York, so that as to all points west of there the average amount of ice in the bunkers continuously would be greater than that figured for a shipment destined to New York. This consideration will more than offset any difference between the figures sub¬ mitted by Mr. Dearborn and Mr. Nelson on the one hand, and the witnesses for the shippers on the other. It was also the contention of the witnesses for the shippers that the bunker damage item of $5 was exces¬ sive for shipments precooled and preiced by the shipper, due to the admitted fact that more care is taken in plac¬ ing the ice in the bunkers at origin, and because of the further fact that there are no reicings in transit. In this connection it must be borne in mind that citrus shipments are generally long-haul business, the aver¬ age for oranges being in the neighborhood of 2,500 miles or more. Therefore, the maximum amount of damage, other than that caused by initial icing and reicing in transit, would result on these shipments. As elsewhere shown in this brief in connection with our discussion of bunker damage we have shown, we believe, that the $5 item is decidedly too small on the average, and if that damage is to be graded according to distance, damage on the long hauls Avould be far in excess of |o. Mr. Nelson testified that in his opinion there was very little differ¬ ence between the damage to the bunkers of cars preiced by shippers and those moving under standard refrigera¬ tion. (Tr., 116-117.) 335 And while Mr. A. M. Mortenson testified that he thought there was not as much damage to hunkers of cars preiced by the shipper as to those moving under standard refrigei'ation, he also testified that he would not be able to determine what that difference in damage Avonld be in dollars and cents between the two methods. (Tr., 876.) In view of all of these considerations it does not seem to us that the Commission can very well find that any item less than |5 shonld be charged against shipments precooled and preiced by the shipper. In this connection the Commission has already approved an item of $5 for bunker damage to cars precooled and preiced by the shipper. Arlington Heights Case, 20 I. C. C., at page 120. BULE 250. Eule No. 250, which deals with precooled and preiced cars of citrus fruit from Florida is practically a replica of Eule No. 245 except that certain detention and switch¬ ing charges are therein provided for. Shippers' Vieivs. Witness E. D. Dow: AVitness said that up to the present time there has only been one first-class precooling plant established in Florida; that the growers are awakening to the advan¬ tages of precooling, especially where citrus fruits and vegetables are or should ho in transit only for four or five days to market, and the. growers in the Winter Haven section and Tildonville are erecting a precooling ifiant which will probably cost $150,000. (Tr., 8940-41.) 336 Ansîver. The record does not disclose any objections to Eule No. 250 but the carriers felt that some explanation should be made of the difference between Eule 250 and Eule 245 as to the method by which the charges shown in Eule 250 are fixed. Accordingly, the witness, C. E. Bell, testified with re¬ spect to both of those matters. That testimony is as follows : C. E. Belu: At the Atlanta hearing I stated I would later make some statement with respect to the preeouling of citrus fruits from Florida, as covered by Eule 250, pages 21 and 22 of the proposed tariff. (Tr., 9402.) The essential difference as between this rule and Eule 245, Avhich covers California traffic, is that no charges are provided from Florida on fruit precooled by the carriers ; and this for the reason that the Florida carriers are not equipped to and do not hold themselves out as being able to perform this precooling service. Section 6 of Eule 250 provides a detention charge of $1 per car wffien carrier is called on to handle the car to a precooling plant at a switching rate or at a rate less than its local rate. Section 6 of this rule also provides a charge of |2 per car for switching service when carrier is called upon to switch the loaded car from the loading track at any initial point of shipment to a precooling plant at the same point of shipment and within the switching limits of the point of shipment. The charges provided under Sections B and C of Eule 250 are not puldished in Eule 245 applicable to Cali¬ fornia traffic for the reason that the California carrier 337 is not called on to switch loaded cars to the precooling plant as the fruit is first precooled and the carriers' first service is to set the car for the loading of the fruit at the precooling plant. (Tr., 9403.) It is proper to state that with the exception of the charges shown in paragraph F of Rule 250, the provi¬ sions of that rule are the same as are now in effect from California, except for the differences in the language, and the rule reflects the agreement made between the car¬ riers and the shippers at the time the precooling ar¬ rangement was established in 1914. Referring now to the charges for precooling shown in paragraph F of Rule 250, the present charge is $7.50 to all territories, the same as the existing charge from California. I may mention that the Florida arrange¬ ment was established after the California arrangement was established and follows the same principle. It is proposed to increase the California charges to the basis of $7.50 for the first group, $12.50 for the sec¬ ond, $17.50 for the third, $22.50 for the fourth, $27.50 for the fifth, and $32.50 for the sixth group, as^ shown on page 21 of the tariff, the proposed figures reflecting ice haulage and damage to bunkers. Mr. Dearborn and other witnesses who have testified with respect to the California situation have thoroughly explained the basis for the proposed charges from Cali¬ fornia. The proposed charges from Florida have been arrived at in like manner, and the destination groups of Florida have been based on the same principle as the California charges. (Tr., 9404.) For example, between points in Florida the charge is $7.50, the same as the charge between points in Cali¬ fornia. The $12.50 charge from Florida covers the south- 338 western states, just as the $12.50 charge from California states in the same territory, i. e., Arizona, Idaho, Nevada, Oregon and Utah. The $17.50 charge applies to states in a group of ap¬ proximately the same distance as states in a group from which the $17.50 charge from California applies. Manifestly, tl]e traffic being of the same character and with the same principle involved, it is proper to estab¬ lish precooling charges from Florida on the same basis as from California on this traffic. (Tr., 9405.) This Eule No. 250 was also discussed in Witness Mc- Pike's Exhibit No. 44. BULE 255. This rule now contained in the proposed tariff covers half-tank refrigeration service on citrus fruit from Flor¬ ida only. Shippers' Views. The objections to this rule were that the half-tank refrigeration services should be re-established on apples from Virginia points and on fruits from Michigan points (where the half-tank refrigeration had previously been furnished). See testimony of C. C. Burdick (Tr., 5471-5472-5481- 5489.) See testimony of E. D. Dow. (Tr., 7939.) Answer. As heretofore stated in this brief, witnesses for the carriers stated in the record that half-tank refrigeration charges would be re-established on apples from Virginia points and on fruits from Michigan points (where half- tank refrigeration had previously been furnished), sub- 339 ject to tlie provision that it would be furnished only when such types of refrigerator cars are available that will permit tlie half-tank refrigeration. In fact, half-tank refrigeration service to the extent indicated has been put into etfeet from Michigan. We are not yet prepared to submit specific figures. (See letter in behalf of car¬ riers, addressed to the examiner, under date of October 23, 1919, shown in Appendix A.) The witness, T. H. Goeman, of the American Eefrig- erator Transit Company, testified that there was in force a one-half tank rate of $20 assessed under D. & E. G. Tariff 5706-E providing on page 8 under note "A" of the tariff that when shippers furnish a release and no re- icing is required or furnished, the refrigeration rate will be $20; that this tariff applies only to intrastate move¬ ment. (Tr., 2984.) In furnishing one-half tank service where the cars are not provided with one-half tanks or the gates cannot be set in the middle of the tanks, then it is the practice to fill the bunker in each end; that most of the A. E. T. cars are not equipped with half-tank refrigeration devices (Tr., 2985) and that a great deal less than that are so equipped; that 15 or 20 years ago, the A. E. T. did not have any of them equipped with half-tank refrigeration; that under the proposed tariff, the A. E. T. does not propose to give half-tank refrigera¬ tion. (Tr., 2986.) One of the reasons for proposal to cancel the half-tank refrigeration tariff is that the A. E. T. has less than fifty per cent of its cars that can be adjusted to half-tank refrigeration. Secondly, when a shipper orders a half- tank car and one is not available, the A. E. T. has to furnish him a full tank refrigeration; that this con¬ stitutes a discrimination against the shipper who is paying for the full refrigeration service. 340 Another factor taken into consideration was that half- tank service was not remunerative. Upon the subject of half-tank refrigeration service gen¬ erally, we think it of interest to set forth the following extract of the testimon}^ of the witness, J. B. Scott (Manager of the Fruit Growers' Express) relating to half-tank refrigeration : Witness J. B. Scott: Half Tank. Has had considerable experience in handling Mich¬ igan business, both full and half tank. With regard to whether it takes more or less re-icing for half tanks than for full tanks in .Michigan territory, witness' experience with re-icing in transit of shipments moving under half-tank refrigeration is that the melt- age is much greater than on the same commodities under full tank refrigeration. This is a matter of record. The witness thinks Mr. Ramsay has gotten out at least one bulletin to that etfect, possibly more. Mr. Ramsay is with the Department of Agriculture of the United States Government. (Tr., 9246.) The reason that the meltage is greater in half tanks is because there is less quantity of ice to begin with— and less tonnage to hold cold. Another reason, is that the ice hunkers in F. G. E. cars are so constructed that the ice grates are raised to a halfway point Avhich elevates the ice and creates a greater circulation. This results in a greater meltage. With regard to Mr. French's criticism of the present relation¬ ship of half-tank rates as compared with their former relationships to full tank rates, witness stated that pres¬ ent half-tank rates were based on 78 per cent of the proposed full tank rates. This percentage was used in 341 establishing the Michigan half-tank rates, because it was the percentage that the division traffic of the Kailroad Administration—established in the case of half-tank rates from Florida. After hearing on Florida rates in Jacksonville in March, 1919, the Eailroad Administration Division of Traffic figured on a scientific basis Avhat percentage the half-tank rates should bear to full tank rates, and decided after such investigation that 78 per cent was proper basis. (Tr., 9247.) The Eailroad Administration established those half- tank rates themselves, both for Florida and Michigan. Scott and his organization had nothing to do with these rates other than to concur in them and to show that in their opinion they were fair. This is witness' present opinion. With respect to what Mr. French said regarding former application of half-tank rates on grapes, apples and pears, witness thinks Mr. French unintentionally incorrectly stated that. For years the half-tank service has been offered only for shipments of apples, pears and grapes. All other commodities moving under stated charges were allowed the privilege only of full tank service. That is the pres¬ ent basis in the new tariff on the Pere Marquette, hut the Michigan Central incorrectly published their tariffs and applied the half-tank rates on all commodities. No exception was taken to it for the peaches and other com¬ modities had practically all moved when the rates were put in; fihat is, the commodities that ordinarily would move under full tank. (Tr., 9248.) The effect of putting them in on the date they did was simply to extend the servi/îe only to commodities it was originally intended for. 342 As to what extent the Michigan shippers have availed themselves of half-tank refrigeration, witness stated that they were anxious that shippers should avail them¬ selves of this service because the great preponderance of the ice used in Michigan service came from St. Paul was costing $7 per ton, f. o. b. St. Paul, plus freight charges, shrinkage, handling and other incidental items of cost. Car line was very anxious to furnish as little full tank service as possible, and urged Mr. "Wright and other mem¬ bers of the Eailroad Administration to jjut half-tank rates in long before they did. Witness himself called on Mr. Wright immediately prior to New York hearing and urged him to put Michigan half-tank rates in, and told him that car line had advocated the rates originally, months before. (Tr., 9249.) Mr. Wright said the Eailroad Administration was will¬ ing to put them in, hut Interstate Commerce Commission would not let them. Witness urged Mr. Wright to take the question up with Commission and see if he could not get them to change their views. He said he did not feel inclined to do so. When these rates were put in effect, witness immedi¬ ately telephoned his Michigan representatives to put as many car line men as they could spare in Michigan to go to each shipping station and urge shippers to use half-tank service. Michigan shippers had said in Chicago that they wanted it, and now that it was open to them, witness hoped they would use it to the fullest extent. Witness called upon Mr. Coombs and told him of wit¬ ness' statement in Chicago, and of the ice situation, and urged him to write each of the shippers to use half-tank service. This Mr. Coombs did. Witness willing to intro¬ duce Mr. Coombs' letter. (Tr., 9250.) 343 The first night the half-tank privilege was in, the wit¬ ness' car line had ninety orders for placement on the following day. There was not a single half-tank order among them. The next night, they had 88 orders, of which three were for half tanks. It has been running just a little stronger since on the Pere Marquette. To witness' knowledge, shippers on Michigan Central in Benton Harbor territory have not ordered a single half tank since the service was offered, and their busi¬ ness has averaged daily from 30 to 55 cars. In the Lawton territory on Michigan Central, and the K. L. S. & C., the situation is somewhat different. The first night the half-tank service was offered, out of 28 cars ordered, 20 were for half tanks. Witness has not subsequent performance, but immediately following Mr.' Coombs' testimony, witness telephoned his Benton Har¬ bor representatives, asking them to wire him tonight the exact number of cars witness' car line placed since half- tank tariff became effective, and to date how many half tanks have been used. This will give situation, as of six o'clock tonight (October 3, 1919). (Tr., 9251.) With regard to percentages of half-tank rates ap¬ plicable to apples, witness personally does not concur in putting apples from Michigan on any lower basis from grapes for the reason that witness' own experience shows that apples require more ice than grapes do, and if wit¬ ness was to have any differential based on Michigan situation, he would put apples on a higher rate than grapes. Witness' experience is that either the apples move only in warm weather under heavy icing or they move under ventilation and without ice. As long as the weather is warm, shippers call for car line to furnish the service. When the weather turns cool, commodities are moved under ventilation; generally 344 speaking, heaviest Michigan apple movement is from Au¬ gust loth to September 15th, and witness' ice meltage is very very heavy, so that when half-tank rates were put in, it was with the idea that they would be 78 per cent of the fruit rate, and not 78 per cent of the apple rate. That explains the difference which Mr. French brought out. (Tr., 9252.) Witness regrets that after all that was said about half- tank service, the shippers did not really take advantage of it when offered. It wonld have saved all concerned a great deal of money, and we have given shippers a lower rate of refrigeration which they said they wanted. (Tr., 9253.) Witness has spent quite a few days in Michigan during the current season, and in initially icing the half-tank shipments car line furnishes two and a half tons. Wit¬ ness was on the platform continuously when those cars came back, and his observation was that re-icing ran as low as 4,000 pounds, and as high as 4,600 pounds. In other words, the bunkers were nearly dry., Witness al¬ ways refers to first icing as "initial icing." All snbse- quent ice put in bunkers is termed "re-icing." On shipments from Benton Harbor to Chicago, the re- icing at Benton Harbor after the car is loaded wonld be the only re-icing in transit. It is only 99 miles. Even on a shipment originating at Benton Harbor proper (Tr., 9254), the car would be initially iced at Benton Harbor, sent to the loading track or the spur that the car is loaded on at Benton Harbor. The grapes are put in, the bill of lading taken out, and the car is then switched to the icing station at Benton Harbor, where it is re- iced and there pnt in a through train for Chicago. That car has the initial and one re-icing. (Tr., 9255.) Kegardless of point of destination, half-tank shipments are re-iced at the same identical station that witness' 34ñ car line re-ièe full tank shipments. There is no difference in that respect. The only difference in the half-tank serv¬ ice over full tank service as far as icing is concerned is that witness' car line starts initially with two and one- half tons in the bunkers instead of 5. (Tr., 9256.) After that the car is filled to capacity at all stations in hotli cases, only the bunker is smaller because the bottom has been raised halfway up. Half-tank service simply means; two and one-half tons of ice less in the first re-icing plus whatever ice is subsequently required. Usually original icing is given near loading point on wit¬ ness' line in Michigan. (Tr., 9257.) Between point of initial icing and point of loading maximum distance would be say 50 to 60 miles. Cannot have icing points all over the states at loading stations. Must have central icing stations so as to do business in an orderly way. One loading station might be a mile from the icing station and in some cases it might be as high as 60. The average distance would be about 15 miles. This distance would be a factor in the meltage of the original icing to some extent, but there would be very little difference for the reason that the various load¬ ing stations are all served, usually, by a given trade; if they have fifty orders one night, and they are going to stations from one to forty miles from the icing station, the same train, generally speaking, will take all of the cars and the same train in the reversed direction will bring them all back, so that their time away from the icing station would be, generally speaking, about the same. Half-tank refrigeration would be an obvious econ¬ omy to witness' car line, because they are losing money on both half and full tank refrigeration even at the pro¬ posed rate. It was merely a question as to (Tr., 9259) which service would cause them to lose less. There is merely the question of whether the car line 346 is going to pay more to perform the service than it gets for it. Half-tank rates were filed in a Fifteenth Sec¬ tion application, and were approved by everybody ex¬ cept the Interstate Commerce Commission. (Tr., 9260.) When the Fifteenth Section application was made it contained both half-tank and full tank rates. The Fif¬ teenth Section Board did not approve the half-tank fea¬ ture, but they did authorize the publication of the full tank rates. Witness' car line company told the Admin¬ istration and the Michigan Central Eailroad that unless it was given reasonable compensation, it would not ex¬ tend its service to Michigan this year. (Tr., 9261.) Wit¬ ness' car line company did not state that unless those rates were approved in proposed amount, the cars would be withdrawn from service because the cars had not then been put in service. Witness' car line said it could not operate at current rates and asked the Administration if it wanted Avitness' car line service to put in rates which their committee had established. Witness' car line also told Eailroad Administration, Interstate Commerce Commission and Director Thelen that if the Commission, after hearing on those rates, found that they were- not reasonable, witness' company would grant reparation down to the point where they were considered reasonable (Tr., 9262), so that witness personally made a point that shippers should be given a hearing and in absence of hearing they were entitled to have the Commission pass on rates. Therefore, as far as Avitness' company was con¬ cerned, it certainly acted in good faith throughout. If the Commission does not approve the rates in this proposed operation, AA^itness' company is on record to pay back the money to Michigan lines, and the Michigan lines are under agreement to return it to shippers. Witness reasserts that the president of his car line company did not state to Interstate Commerce Commission that unless 347 these new rates were approved, his cars would not he permitted to go into Michigan. Witness knows this be¬ cause he did 99 per cent of the talking himself at all the conferences. (Tr., 9263.) Mr. Ellis was there. Wit¬ ness was present and knows what was said, also denies that witness' car line officers said "if you want our serv¬ ice, you will have to give us these rates." (Tr., 9264.) The scientific study of the relation between half-tank and full tank service was made by Mr. C. E. Bell of the Division of Traffic Bailroad Administration. Witness agreed with Mr. Bell's conclusion. (Tr., 9265.) In reply to Mr. Dow's question at the morning session as to the movement of half-tank refrigeration used in Michigan, witness stated that out of 1,807 cars furnished for fruits and vegetables under refrigeration in Michi¬ gan, the one-half tank rates were established September, 1919; 284 of these cars were 15 per cent moved under one-half tank service. This information came from Mr. Scott by telegram in response to his telephone request earlier in the day, and reads as follows : "Benton Harbor., Michigan, October 3, 1919. J. B. Scott, Care Examiner Marshall Interstate Commerce Bearing, Green Boom, Congress Hotel, Chicago, Illi¬ nois. Since September fifteenth furnished Benton Har¬ bor territory fourteen hundred fifty seven cars of which one handled fifty three half tanked since Sep¬ tember sixteenth furnished Lawton territory total three hundred fifty cars of which hundred thirty one half tanked. Fruit Growers' Express." (Tr., 9385.) 348 Principle of Stated Charges. Considerable discussion developed during the progress of the hearings as to the propriety of a stated refrig¬ eration charge, as against the cost of ice per ton hasis. A stated charge may be said to be an all-inclusive charge, containing in itself all of the factors tvhich should prop¬ erly be taken into consideration in arriving at a figure which will properly compensate the carrier for the serv¬ ice rendered over and above that which relates to haul¬ age alone. Those factors include, first, cost of ice sup¬ plied initially and in transit; second, haulage of ice; third, switching to and from icing platforms; fourth, bunker damage, or damage to refrigeration devices; fifth, supervision incident purely to refrigerated traffic; and sixth, an item to cover profit and hazard. There are other items such as special cleaning, incidental to refrig¬ eration service, and which might be considered in con¬ nection with the cost of such service to the carriers, but those have not been used in this case in arriving at the proposed charges in the tariff now before us. This stated charge basis is opposed to the cost of ice per ton basis. The latter basis is one where the carrier recieves only a given sum varying with the station where furnished, set forth in the tariff, for the amount of ice furnished. No ad¬ ditional factor—not even a profit on ice—is included. On that basis, the carrier is engaged in the biasiness of selling ice, without profit, and, in many instances, at a distinct loss. The stated charge basis has been heretofore applied on the bulk of the traffic of carload shipments of fruits (except bananas and cocoanuts), vegetables, berries and melons originating in Sontheim and Southeastern; Southwestern, Transcontinental, and other "West¬ ern territories ; also on similar traffic from producing dis- 349 tricts on certain railroads in southern Michigan and in southern Indiana. It has also been applied on all other perishable traffic, such as packing-house products and dairy freight, originating in Arizona, California, Idaho, Nevada, Oregon and Washington. In the proposed tariff the stated charge basis has been made uniform in prin¬ ciple and extended to apply on fresh or crushed fruits, vegetables, berries, melons and fruit juices (not bev¬ erages) throughout the United States, including similar traffic originating at points in Official Classification ter¬ ritory, as a whole in which, with the exception of cer¬ tain points of origin in southern Michigan and southern Indiana, shipments have not been handled on basis of stated refrigeration charges, but up to the present time the shippers have performed their own initial icing at their own expense (when it suited their purposes to do so), or have called upon the carriers to do so, and the carriers have performed any re-icing necessary in transit on basis of charge per ton of ice. The advantages and benefits of stated refrigeration charges, both in principle and in fact, are already clearly of record before the Interstate Commerce Commission in various cases, wherein the Commission has upheld the propriety of such charges, and the factors relating thereto, as well as the reasonableness of the charges there involved. Among those cases are the following: Arlington Heights Fruit Exchange, et al., v. Southern Pacific Co., et al., 20 I. C. C., 106. Railroad Commission of California v. Alabama Great Southern R. R. Co., et al., 32 I. C. C., 17. Refrigeration Charges on Fruits and Vege¬ tables, 29 I. C. C., 653. Refrigeration Charges on the Kansas City Southern Ry., 26 I. C. C., 617. 350 Melon Refrigeration Charges, 38 I. C. C., 62. Montrose S Delta Counties, etc., v. R, R. Co., 3á I. C. C., 400. Williamson v. A. T. é S. F. Ry. Co., et al., 42 I. C. C., 11. Mississippi R. R. Commission v. Few Orleans, etc., 42 I. C. C., 574. Roy Camphell v. St. Louis, Brownsville £ Mexico Ry. Co., et al, 44 I. C. C., 567. Unit Marketing System, et al., 48 I. C. C., 510. Loretz, Pegram S Company v. Southern Pacific Co., et al, 51 I. C. C., 158. The fundamental reasons why stated refrigeration arges are correct in principle are well stated by Mr. , F. McPike, in his Exhibit No. 31, as follows: 1. Carriers should not he expected or required to sell ice as a commodity since their only obliga¬ tion is to furnish refrigeration as a service. 2. The stated refrigeration charge places undi¬ vided responsibility on the carrier to perform and give adequate and efficient refrigeration in transit without restriction from the shipper. 3. The stated refrigeration charge permits con¬ servation of food products by minimizing wastage. 4. The stated refrigeration charge insures a parity of routes as to the cost to the shipper for re¬ frigeration and equality between shipper and ship¬ ments. 5. A charge based only on cost of ice and labor does not give the carrier compensation for the various other factors which form a legitimate part of the gross cost of furnishing refrigeration and does not yield to the carrier a fair profit to which it is entitled. 6. The stated refrigeration charge is known in advance and is a convenience to the shipper in enabling him to quote prices on his products. 7. The Interstate Commerce Commission itself has stated that the public interest is served in a 351 more satisfactory manner when the carriers pro¬ vide in their tariffs for through refrigeration charges, thus placing the carriers and shippers upon a parity as regards the charges received and paid for refrigeration and at the same time removing what¬ ever opportunity may exist for inequalities, irregu¬ larities or possible discrimination growing out of the use of local icing charges per ton or per 100 pounds of ice. {Refrigeration charges on fruits and vegetables from Colorado points to Kansas points, I. & S. Docket No. 293, 29 I. C. C., 656.) 8. As was shown by the carriers' testimony. In the Matter of Private Cars, I. C. C. Docket 4906, the stated charge prevents discrimination or favoritism and assures the most efficient service and is, there¬ fore better for all concerned than the per ton of ice basis. In support of the expressions of the Commission in de¬ cided cases, and in addition to Mr. McPike's testimony, attention is called to the evidence of witnesses in this proceeding, as follows : W. S. Kallmax: Assistant freight traffic manager. New York Central Eailroad. Has been associated with the New York Cen¬ tral for 19 years and in the railroad business 36 years, mostly in the traffic department. (Tr>, 6323.) "The principle of a stated refrigeration charge is a correct one to apply in connection with refrigerator car traffic." (Tr., 6332.) Lucius H. Kextuield : General freight agent of the New York, New Haven and Hartford Eailroad and Central New England Eail¬ road; has been connected with the traffic department of the N. Y. N. H. & H. E. E. since 1886. (Tr., 6476.) "I would say, without any reservation at all, as I look at it, and as I have been at this case and have seen how 352 the thing worked out in other territories, that the proper way to naake icing- charges is upon a stated price, as proposed in this tariff. That is as to the principle. I am not now discussing the rates. In principle that is all right." (Tr., 6499.) "For the carriers to undertake to publish tariffs on the per ton basis is all wrong and leads to all kinds of con¬ troversies not only with fruit and vegetable shippers, but all kinds of shippers, and the railroad cannot col¬ lect its money. The shipper does not know when the shipment leaves its point of origin, what the charges are going to be when it reaches its destination. Exigencies arise and things must be done, and then when you come to collect the icing charges there is a dispute between the railroad and the consignee, and it all bids for ill feeling. If the charge is stated at the point of origin, the shipper knows, and the railroad knows, and the con¬ signee knows, and you remove all those controversies." (Tr., 6520.) C. E. Bell: Assistant to director, division of traffic, U. S. E. E. Administration. His railroad service had its inception with the Southern Eailway in 1895; was commercial agent for the Chicago, Indiana & Louisville Eailroad in 1899, chief clerk to the division freight ag-ent of the Southern Eailway at Ealeigh, North Carolina; from 1901 to 1902, commercial agent of the Southern Eailway at Savannah, Georgia; 1903 to 1906, inclusive, commercial agent of the Southern Eailway at Augusta, Georgia; 1907 to 1910, inclusive, chief clerk in the general freight department of the Southern Eailway, Atlanta, Georgia; 1911 to October 1, 1916, assistant general freight agent. Southern Eailway, Atlanta, Georgia; October, 1916, to 353 January, 1918, general freight agent Southern Kailway System, Washington, in charge of commerce department; 1918 to February 1, 1919, assistant manager of Inland Traffic, U. S. Food Administration. In that position I had entire charge of all matter pertaining to perishable freight transportation; February 1, 1919, to date, in present position. (Tr., 33 to 35.) Was in touch -with perishable commodities while com¬ mercial agent in 1899 from 1901 to 1906 and from 1911 to October 1, 1916. (Tr., 33 and 34.) It was not only the view of the committee, but also the view of the division of traffic, that a stated service should be governed by a stated charge, and in those instances where stated charges had not previously been operated, the committee was directed to provide stated charges per car. The committee was further directed that in for¬ mulating all stated charges to proceed on the principle that a carrier is entitled to compensation for any service performed by it, based on the cost, plus a reasonable profit. This principle is in consonance with the law and expressions of the Interstate Commerce Commission in various defined cases. (Tr., 39-40.) It. C. Dearbokït: Has been with the Pacific Fruit Express Company since October 1, 1907, in various clerical capacities, in charge of icing record bureau, ice bill bureau, chief clerk to superintendent of transportation, assistant superin¬ tendent of transportation, and now general agent; with BTuit Growers' Express for four years previous to en¬ tering service of Pacific Fruit Express Co. (Tr., 251.) I have made some study of the problems presented by the tariff under consideration so far as refrigeration is concerned. I have had a number of years in connection 354 with refrigeration service. I do not think there is any question but that refrigeration charges should be on a stated basis and not on the cost of ice per ton basis. (Tr., 6170.) Q. ll'ill you please give, in detail, your reasons for that opinion? A. In the first place, I think it is essen¬ tial for the preservation of food products and the con¬ servation of food products, inasmuch as stated refrig¬ eration means maximum service, and maximum service is necessary, generally speaking, to protect perishable commodities, such as fruits and vegetables. Secondly, I believe the service should pay for itself. It is a service in addition to the line-haul rate, an acces¬ sorial service, commonly termed, and the cost of ice basis is either operated at a loss or at practically cost of the ice alone, nothing being allowed for the additional ele¬ ments and the additional service which the carriers have to perform in connection with protection against the heat. Thirdly, I believe it prevents discrimination in two dif¬ ferent ways : Discrimination as between points in the same territory and discriminaton as between points in different territories. At the present time between 80 and 90 per cent of the entire refrigerated business, fruits and vegetables, in the United States, moves under stated refrigeration charges. Take various commodities, such as apples or grapes, peaches or pears, which move from different sections of the country, and I believe that the individual ship¬ pers from the various sections are entitled to get and to pay for the same class of service, one as against the other ; and while it may be greater from a long-haul ter- 355 ritory than from a short-haul territory, it is all on the same fundamental basis. As to discrimination in the same territory or on ship¬ ments originating in the same territories, where you have two or three lines operating in the originating sec¬ tion, one being the short line, and to a distance, say, 500 miles away it would require two re-icings after the ini¬ tial and the first re-icing at point of shipment, while on the longer line, which is a competing line, it might re¬ quire three re-icings in addition to the initial and the first re-icing, then you would have a situation, competi¬ tive conditions, and the long line would desire to meet the actual cost of ice as supplied by the short line, which would bring about a situation where the long line either would not fill the bunkers to capacity, and you would not get the service, or the long line would, to get part of that business, absorb part of the cost of icing. Then you have the third situation something along the same lines, which has come to my attention, and which I know has been in operation, that is, that you have a ter¬ ritory which is located within a very few miles on the same railroad of a territory where they have stated re¬ frigeration charges, your first territory being under cost of ice. Certain brokers have taken advantage of condi¬ tions of that kind, and in dealing with the farmers have made arrangements with the farmers to protect their shipments for so much a hundredweight from point of origin to point of destination, basing their charges on the charge which was in effect in the nearby territory as a stated refrigeration charge and then ordering ice in such quantities as they might see fit, leaving them a profit on the railroad's service. In other words, the actual cost of ice was $25 or $35 or $40, as against a stated charge of $45 or $50 or $60, whatever it might 356 be, and this broker has made a profit on those farmers in that territory on a service where he had nothing what¬ ever to do with it, except that he was acting as their agent and was trying to get them, as they thought, high prices and good markets, and things of that kind. We also have another situation where you depend upon shippers, or where shippers make the assertion that they are in a position to furnish the ice for their own products, rather than call upon the railroads to do so. Shippers in some territories—I think this particularly applies in New York and Ohio—have small lakes or ponds near their places of business, and cut a certain amount of their own ice. The carriers are obligated to have sufficient ice to take care of the business. In other Avords, the shippers can call upon the carriers, at any time to furnish refrigerated cars, whether it be at cost of ice or on a stated charge, and the carriers hold them¬ selves out as being in a position to furnish that service. Take a situation such as we had brought into the testi¬ mony the other day at Port Clinton, Ohio, where the shippers, or where a representative of the shippers, sec¬ retary of the association, was also secretary of the ice company, and they put up a certain amount of ice which it Avas contended Avas Avorth $2 a ton. The 1919 ice season AAms extraordinary in some re¬ spects and in some territories, and ice has cost anywhere from $2 to $12 or $15 a ton. This ice shipper is in a position, if he has got this ice at $2 a ton, and the railroad publishes a rate that they will supply it to them at |4 to go out and sell it for $8 or $10' or $12, and then call upon the railroad to supply that ice to him at $4 a ton, having sold it to' somebody else and made $6 or $7 or $8 a ton, knoAA'ing that the railroad has to protect its busi¬ ness. He has a chance to work it either way. The rail- 357 road, knowing that in the past this man has generally protected his own business, has not laid in the supply of ice that they would naturally lay in, and they are put in a hole. Then they have got to go out and pay ex¬ orbitant prices for ice to take care of his business. Those are some of the reasons for stated refrigera¬ tion. Q. There is also, is there not, Mr. Dearborn, where the shipper moves his commodities on the cost of ice per ton basis, a varying practice between the shippers as to the amount of ice that is supplied to these various cars? A. The shipper, generally speaking, does not have much of an idea of what effect ice has upon a commodity when moving in a car. They may feel, and a great many of them feel, probably some of them know, but a great many of them feel, that in certain instances two thou¬ sand or three thousand or four thousand pounds is suffi¬ cient. The weather is cool to-day, and the man orders a car and says he wants 4,000 lbs. of ice, and he starts the car out, and says to re-ice with a ton some place else, and then to-morrow it turns hot. Especially is that true along in September, when the temperature changes from 50 or 60 up to 75 or 80 or 90 degrees; that is, it runs from 50 or 60 up as high as 90. Consequently, he has a greater meltage of ice than he anticipated, and his fruit turns soft. And some of them have been known to put in claims on shipments of that kind, figuring that the carrier might have delayed the car 4 or 5 hours, or if they had a chance to get by with it in some way or other ; and if the shipment is delayed a very short time by the carrier, when if the shipments had been moving under stated refrigeration charges no damage would possibly have resulted, as he would have had maximum service, the claim is presented and the carrier either has to pay 358 it or go to the expense of a great deal of work and a possible laM'suit in declining to pay it. Q. In other words, where the shipments were moving nnder stated refrigeration charges, the carrier is in a Letter position as the shipment moves to know what amounts of ice should be supplied at the various points en route 1 A. The carrier takes the position that he ices the cars at all points en route to their maximum capacity, and charges accordingly, and there is no chance of any slip or anything of that kind. Q. In other words, the shipper speculates in advance when he gives his instructions as to what the conditions of temperature are going to he after that shipment actually starts to move? A. That is true. Q. But the carrier, as the car reaches the various ic¬ ing points, has its inspectors on hand at those points and the bunkers are examined, and then the icing is per¬ formed according to the particular necessities which ex¬ ist at that point or at those points ? A. They are filled to capacity at those regular stations, whether the indica¬ tions are that the temperature is going down or is go¬ ing up; it makes no difference. Maximum service pro¬ vides that the cars will be re-iced to capacity at all regu¬ lar icing stations ; and to the best of my knowledge that is lived up to. Q. Even two cars starting out from the same point and traveling to the same destination, where the ship¬ pers are different, the icing instructions vary to a very great extent, do they not, where the cars are moving on a cost of ice per ton basis? A. I think so. Q. That gives a sliiiiper a chance, does it not, to 359 speculate against his neighbor ; in other words, one ship¬ per may figure that he can get by with a lesser amount of ice than his neighbor uses, and thereby, if the ship¬ ment does happen to get to destination in good condi¬ tion, to sell his article, for less than his neighbor can? A. As I said previously, it alloAvs of a chance for dis¬ crimination as betAveen the cost of various commodities moving from and' to the same particular points, yes. It may not only alloAV it on their instructions to ice at certain points Avith a certain amount, but even if they move it A'ia different routes to the same points, and in¬ struct to re-ice to capacity at all points, there would be a difference in cost. (Tr., 6171-78.) The Witness (continuing) : There is also a divided re¬ sponsibility. (Tr., 6178.) The Committee made some investigation with regard to the situation in New York State as to the practices of the shippers under this cost of ice per ton basis. It is pretty hard to say just Avhat conclusion was reached from that investigation. They found pretty nearly every practice in the Avorld prevail¬ ing in NeAv York State AAdien it came to handling perish¬ able products, not only by the shippers, but I regret to say in some instances by the carriers. (Tr., 6178.) Some of the practices of the shippers are, I think in some instances, ears are ordered iced with a ton of ice and sent out to loading stations filled to capacity with the product, and come back dry, and possibly iced to ca¬ pacity and moved out Avith instructions to ice at certain stations with a ton or two tons, or possibly to capacity, and in a great many instances it was found that the car¬ riers supplied ice and never did put the charge for it on the billing and some shippers would ice cars A\dth 3,000 or 4,000 pounds, and some Avith 5,000 or 6,000, and some of them to capacity. There was pretty nearly any 360 condition that you would want to find that you could find down there. Q. Are there not some tariffs in this territory which provide that the initial icing at a given station, for in¬ stance, shall be $4 a ton, and that the re-icing at that station shall he |2.50 per ton!. A. I have not seen that tariff. I have been informed that that is the fact, and that is the reason they initially iced the car with 2,000 pounds, paying the $4 rate, and get really the full tank icing at the $2.50 rate. (Tr., 6178-9.) Q. (By Mr. "VVestlake.) In other words, under that tariff, the shippers will put i,n one ton of ice, for which he pays $4, and will send his car out to the loading point, and possibly come back dry to this same station, and then he will fill it to capacity at $2.50 per ton? A. That is correct. Or he might order it iced to-day with 2,000 pounds and tell them to hold it until to-morrow, that be¬ ing the initial icing to-day, and to-morrow he will tell them to put in 10,000 pounds, to fill it to capacity, which he can get at $2.50 a ton; and then ship it out to his icing station and put in his fruit and bring it back— Q. Ship it out to the loading station, you mean? A. Ship it out to the loading station, yes. (Tr., 6179-6180.) E. W. Rice (direct examination) : Lives in Chicago; connected Avith Hygienic Ice Com¬ pany; prior to that was general freight agent of the American Refrigerator Transit Company at St. Louis for nine years. Had charge of traffic and operation, han¬ dling perishable freight. (Tr., 7129.) His company served various railroads, the principal of which was the Wabash, Denver & Rio Grande, Inter¬ national Great Northern, Cotton Belt, Texas & Pacific, Kansas City Southern, S. A. U. & S. Also had traffic 361 agreements with many eastern lines. Was a member of the committee which prepared the proposed tariff and worked out various charges and rules. Begau this work iu a small committee early iu January, 1918, and con¬ tinued until May 1, 1919. (Tr., 7130.) Was engaged on this proposed tariff for about one year and five months. The original committee had been working on refrigera¬ tion in general for the past eight or nine years, but on January 1, 1918 they started off with a view of applying refrigeration charges generally, then about April 1, 1918, there was a committee appointed by the Eailroad Administration to take up the work and carry it on until this time. Commencing about April, 1918, this committee, composed of railroad men and re¬ frigeration men from all over the United States, was organized and brought together at Chicago. The com¬ mittee Avas divided in three sections, one for the terri¬ tory north of the Ohio and Potomac and east of the Mississippi, another for the territory south of the Ohio and east of the Mississippi, and another for the rest of the country, largely west of the Mississippi. As stated refrigeration charges had been applied generally from all the territory Avest of the Mississippi south of the Ohio and east of the Mississippi, it was only a question of revising the charges and rules applying from that par¬ ticular territory, but in the territory north of the Ohio and east of the Mississippi, AAÛth the exception of south¬ ern Illinois and part of Michigan and Maryland, some of the territory covered by the Pennsylvania Eailroad and possibly one or two other exceptions, the practice and custom A\ms the so-called cost of ice basis. (Tr., 7131.) This committee developed the movement of various commodities, fruits and vegetables for this territory, the cost of ice, and attempted to work out the basis for a 362 large part of tlie territory based on tlieir experience in connection Avitb other territories and the conditions as they showed up. That was not a difhcnlt matter because the relation of refrigeration to commodities that were under consideration is practically the same in all ter¬ ritories. It is only a question of applying service in other sections. Witness represented A. E. T. Company seven seasons in New York, and was located in Buffalo- Eochester territory. In addition to that he made visits to New York during the time the committee was in ses¬ sion, for the purpose of investigating conditions in that section in connection with this particular tariff. (Tr., 7133.) With regard to the customs and practices of ship¬ pers in New York territory, working under the cost of ice basis, witness found that the cost of ice basis ap¬ plied generally and that the business is handled in a haphazard manner. Cars are supplied by carriers and shippers do their own initial icing so far as they can and the cars are billed to re-ice in transit in accordance with their respective views of what they think the ship¬ ments will require, resulting in ambiguous and indefinite arrangements and in varying charges to the shippers, and a divided responsibility as between the carriers and the shippers. Such condition always results, and the shipper, so long as he can supply ice advantageously, namely, at a lower cost than it is supplied by the rail¬ roads, will of course supply the ice. The railroad has first got to anticipate the movement, must supply a maxi¬ mum amount of ice or have it ready, or have the lia¬ bility of supplying it, but it is only used when it is to the advantage of the shipper to use it. At some shipping points shippers will get their ice from their own supply or through their own contracts so long as satisfactory conditions prevail, and when that supply is exhausted they then call upon the railroad for the iced cars, which 363 tlie railroad company lias to supply. The railroad has to stand ready to supply that ice in eases where the ship¬ per does not supply it or cannot supply it. It also results that while the railroad may have the ice on hand, if the shipper happens to have sufficient ice of his own, then the railroad is unable to use its ice. Previously in New York State the tariff charge for initial and re-icing was $2.50 per ton in bunkers, but some four or five years ago the carriers increased the price of initial icing to $4 per ton, leaving the re-icing charge at $2.50 a ton. (Tr., 7135.) The shippers took advantage of that in a great many cases by ordering onh?- one ton or possibly two tons at the $4 rate, loading the cars with 20,000 or 24,000 pounds of hot fruit, and then billing the cars to re-ice to capac¬ ity, which ice was supplied at the same station to the same car at $2.50 per ton. The re-icing instructions varied with the number of shippers that ivere supplying fruit. Practically no two of them used the same notation, even from the same station. One shipper looks at weather conditions and if in his opinion it will only need one ton in transit he bills it to re-ice one ton. Another shipper bills it to re-ice to capacity; another to re-ice at the first icing station ; another to re-ice at some other sta¬ tion. That would apply from the same station to differ¬ ent cars in the same train, and sometimes to the same des¬ tination. Witness interviewed a number of shippers in that territory with regard to their opinion as to the pro¬ priety of a stated refrigeration charge as against the cost per ton of ice basis. (Tr., 7135.) Witness knew a good many of the shippers in that territory and han¬ dled a good deal of traffic for them in other territories under stated refrigeration charges. He made it a point to discuss the matter with them so that he could get their ideas about it, and without exception they all said they would prefer to see stated refrigeration charges 364 rather than the cost of ice basis. Shippers referred to Avere J. L. Branch of Lockport, William Branch, Charles Dean of Albion. Does not recall the names of the others. Some of the shippers stated that they confronted unsatis¬ factory conditions with respect to ice (Tr., 7136) ; that in some cases they had to store their peaches on account of being unable to get ice and cars promptly; that they were taking adAmntage of the storages that AA-ere avail¬ able for that purpose. Witness' reasons for thinking that the stated charge basis is proper as against the cost of ice basis are that, first, it provides a definite fixed charge betAveen all points of origin and points of destina¬ tion on all fruits and vegetables, so that all concerns are paying a uniform definite rate. The carriers do not haAm a divided responsibility as to the serA'ice. They knoAv it is their duty to provide the ice supply for initial icing and for re-icing. They knoAV that this entire serv¬ ice, like that of transportation, is entirely up to them, and thus proAÛde for it accordingly. Under the cost of ice basis, the shipper provides for the initial icing so far as it is coiwenient or adA^^ntageous for him to do so, and yet the carrier has to stand ready with ice in case, it is called upon for it. The carrier then has to contend AA'ith all of the indefinite and unreasonable re-icing nota¬ tions that are suggested and shoAvn by the shipper on the bills of lading. (Tr., 7137.) The consequence is that under the cost of ice basis shipments do not in a great many cases haAm the proper maximum protection, and that no tAvo persons pay the same charge. The charge Amries in accordance AA'ith each shipment. Furthermore, the carriers under cost of ice basis furnish a great deal of service for which they do not receive any pay. They often furnish ice for AA-hich they do not receive pay. For illustration, of ten cars out of one station over the same route, passing tlirough tAvo or three re-icing stations, 365 three might he billed to re-ice to capacity at all icing sta¬ tions. They are all re-iced and the amounts billed against the shipper. Others will he billed to re-ice one ton at possibly the second ice station. Yet when those cars go into the first re-icing station they oftentimes are re-iced because it is impossible for the carrier to regu¬ late the labor and to regulate the handling of them so as to restrict the icing in accordance with the particular notations that cover the hilling. (Tr., 7138.) It is impossible for the men in charge of the icing station to always regulate the labor to the extent of only adding the amount of ice called for in the hilling. In cases where shipments are billed to re-ice at a given station only, something often happens beyond to require further re-icing, in Avhich case the railroad gets no pay for the re-icing. In some cases the charges for re-icing do not reach destination in time to be paid before the shipment is disposed of. For instance, a man at Albion, N. Y., handles for the account of shippers there a car¬ load of peaches, and there are ten shippers putting each forty bushels of peaches in the car and that car goes to Pittsburgh ; it is re-iced at East Buffalo or some other point and they fail to get the charges against the ship¬ ment before it has arrived at Pittsburgh or at the time of its arrival, and the bill shows np for this particular ice a month or six weeks later. (Tr., 7139.) The railroad company bills the shipper at point of origin and he in¬ variably comes back and says that he has made a settle¬ ment Avith his growers and he cannot collect. A great many items of this kind are never collected. (Tr., 7139- 7140.) Referring to Fraser's Exhibit No. 3 on page 34, wit¬ ness calls attention to a shipment from Barker, N. Y., in September, 1918, bearing the quotation "One re-icing in 366 transit, cost not known." That is probably one of those cases where the car was iced and no doubt showed on the expense bill but the amount was not collected. (Tr., 7140.) Of any number of shipments under the cost of ice basis you will find more or less cases of that kind. Witness has read Mr. Dearborn's testimony in connec¬ tion with formula which was used in constructing these refrigeration charges in the western New York territory. That formula was correctly stated by him. (Tr., 7141.) Cross-Examination hy Mr. Younger. The members of the eastern committee were Mr. Mc- Williams of the B. & 0., Mr. Horr of the New York Cen¬ tral, Mr. Lantz of the Erie, Mr. Parkhurst of the New York Central and Edward Flynn of the Grand Trunk. That was the subcommittee of the general committee who worked on refrigeration charges for Official Classi¬ fication territory. It had the assistance of various repre¬ sentatives of other lines. In regard to the investigation which the committee made as to the cost of refrigeration service to the shipper under the per ton of ice basis, as compared with the stated charges as proposed, the committee took representative stations and got the bills of lading, billing, and developed the icing in transit, the expense bills and took these items and consolidated them and developed what the expense had been, but that ex¬ pense only shows the cost of ice and only a partial cost of ice, and at that, only the price being charged by the rail¬ road company, which did not anywhere near represent the cost. They made up detailed figures as to the actual amounts that were paid by a number of shippers under the per ton of ice basis. Did not pay a great deal of attention to those figures because they did not represent anything. In lots of cases where the shippers did their own icing they restricted the additional icing so that they 367 did not ice to capacitJ^ They restricted this icing some¬ times to half the bunker capacity and sometimes to two- thirds; thus they would restrict transit icings and the Avhole thing was so indefinite that there were no facts upon which exhibits could be based, such as Fraser 's Ex¬ hibit No. 3. They did not represent anything. Investi¬ gations Avere made of actual payments by shippers un¬ der the ton of ice basis. These investigations covered about 150 to 200 cars. (Tr., 7142 to 7144.) In reply to the question as to whether or not what might "appear to be a haphazard manner of icing as earlier referred to by the witness, was in fact due to the conditions of the fruit itself, witness replied that he did not knoAV of any condition that could apply, as an illustration, to peaches, that AA'Ould permit any shipper to attempt to handle peaches AAÛthout maximum refrig¬ eration. Witness heard part of Mr. Eraser's testimony but did not hear his testimony as to the different charac¬ teristics of particular varieties of apples that would re¬ quire different icing. Witness knows nothing about the varying amounts of ice used on any particular apples shipped, further than what records the committee AAas able to develop. They Avere usually iced only to tAAm or three tons. Witness did not draAV his conclusions as to haphazard icing merely from different amounts of ice used, but from the fact that anybody who tries to handle peaches or pears or any other deciduous, even apples of early variety,—fall shipments by only using a restricted amount of ice for initial icing or re-icing, is handling it in a haphazard icing. Witness knoAA^s of no conditions in the nature of the pear or the purpose for which it aa'us to be used at destination that would justify or require a different amount of icing or refrigeration. In connection Avith pears, Avitness AA'ould say that if different amounts of ice Avere used betAveen some points, that the icing Avas 368 haphazard. The same thing would apply to peaches and to the early varieties of apples. As to whether he is an authority on the characteristics of the commodities mentioned, witness replied that he is forty years of age and has been handling them all his life. Witness thinks he understands the commodities to the extent that he would know the amount of ice they would require under different conditions. The shippers in western New York who expressed their preference for stated refrigeration charges do so because they had represented themselves and other fruit dealers all over the south and southeast and the west where all these comanodities are handled under stated refrigeration charges, and the service had been so much more satisfactory to them that they said they wished the same basis and the same manner or handling would apply in New York State; that they had contended with all kinds of conditions that were adverse to the proper and efficient handling of fruit in that ter¬ ritory, that is, fruit originating in New York State, and that they believe the service was superior, and for that reason they wanted stated charge basis. (Tr., 7145 to 7148.) Redirect Examination. Mr. McLaughlin was chairman of the general commit¬ tee. The witness was also a member. Witness did not mention any members of the general committee, but was asked about the subcommittee dealing with the eastern situation. Mr. McLaughlin dealt with the eastern situa¬ tion, also Mr. Beidelman and Mr. McPike. The members of the general committee had charge of the work, the subcommittee reported to them. The eastern section work was divided up. The witness was in New York State, Mr. Horr of the New York Central was in Ohio, Mr. Scott in Michigan and Maryland, Mr. Crow in south- 369 ein Illinois, Mr. Gumming, who is now with the Amer¬ ican Fruit and Vegetable Association, investigated the Indiana situation. Each state was looked after by some member. Witness handled New York State. When wit¬ ness had worked several days, had had several New York Central men at Avork for two or three weeks and got his data together, covering about 150 to 200 cars, it gave so little information that he did not consider it of any value because it only showed partially the ice used and it did not represent the cost of the ice because the tariff price Avas applied. The ice is not the only item in the expense of refrigeration. It vms not as a result of the investigation of these cars only that AAutness came to the conclusion that icing in Avestern Ncav York was hap¬ hazard. He had knoAvn that from many years ' experience prior to that time. Opinion is based upon coming into direct contact with such service and such results as have followed it. That opinion is based also upon the fact that in any territory AAdiere the cost of ice basis applies, or in case of shippers icing, it results in a service that does not adequately and fully protect the property. It results in varying charges and the carriers supplying serAÛce and materials for aa'hich they do not get any pay, and the results generally obtained are adverse to not only the traffic but to all concerned. It did not take wit¬ ness long to be convinced that those conditions existed there the same as they had in every other territory that he had come in contact aa'ith Avhere the same practice pre¬ vailed. Witness neA'er knoAv of any case Avhere shippers have had a stated refrigeration charge and wanted to re¬ turn to cost per ton of ice basis. (Tr., 7149 to 7153.) 370 R. R. Blydetstburgií : Assistant general freight agent Pennsylvania, and in tlie traffic department of that railroad since 1881. (Tr., 6360-6370.) For reasons already given, thinks the prin¬ ciple of stated refrigeration charges is preferable to the shippers' cost of ice. (Tr., 6383.) Shippers ought to pay for the maximum service necessary to proper re¬ frigeration. (Tr., 6384.) John B. Scott : I am general manager of the Fruit Growers ' Express and I have been general manager for about four years. Prior to that time I was assistant general manager and prior to that time various other positions connected with the same company in the refrigeration business since 1894. IVe serve the Fruit Growers' Express service to all the railroads in the Southeast, with the exception of the Louisville & Nashville, the Chesapeake & Ohio, and the Norfolk & "Western and there may be a few other minor exceptions, but practically all the railroads of conse¬ quence. (Tr., 7608.) Q. You have said that there was a change being worked in tlie practice that had prevailed in this section of the country. Will you let me have the benefit of your views as to the propriety or impropriety of the stated charge basis as against the cost of ice per ton basis! A. Personally, Mr. Westlake, I feel as I have testified in many cases that stated charges are quite desirable for the proper handling of fruits and vegetables, and I do not believe it is necessary to go into detail as to why I believe that, for the reason that my ideas, generally speaking, have been voiced by many of the other wit¬ nesses, particularly Mr. Dearborn and also Mr. Bell, al- 371 though I want to limit that answer to fruits and vegeta¬ bles. I have some other ideas on other commodities. Q. Then limiting your testimony to fruits and vegeta¬ bles, is that opinion based to some extent upon your many years ' experience in connection with the refrigera¬ tion of fruits and vegetables f A. It is based entirely on my 25 years' experience in the handling of fruits and vegetables. (Tr., 6417-6421.) The Witness (continuing) : My thought on the ad¬ visability and desirability of putting stated charges on fresh meats, for example, is this, as I have testified in other cases. (Tr., 6421-6422.) I think the situation which obtains in connection Avith fresh meat traffic is not at all comparative with fruits and vegetal)les, and because of that fact and for that reason I do not think that a stated charge is proper on fresh meats and packing-house products, for the rea¬ son that the whole basis of our charges, for example, on fruits and vegetables first contemplates that Ave are going to furnish the refrigerator car. In the case of fresh meats and packing-house products, the shipper fur¬ nishes the car. Next, the stated charges contemplate the carriers in¬ dividually icing the car. In the case of fresh meats the shipper does it. In the case of fruits and vegetables, under the stated charge the carriers perform the first re- icing. In the case of fresh meats, and packing-house products, the shipper ices the cars. Next, in thd case of fruits and vegetables, all our charges contemplate a specific charge for damage to the bunkers or refrigerating devices. In the case of fresh meat and packing-house products, the cars being fur¬ nished by the shippers that damage naturally is taken care of by the shippers who furnish the cars. 372 Again, in the instance of fruit and vegetables we nat¬ urally have to prepare the car and clean it and put it in proper condition for taking care of the load that it is going to handle. In the case of fresh meats and packing¬ house-products that service is performed by the ship¬ per. Again, in the case of fruits and vegetables, generally speaking, the loads are put in the car direct from the fields Avith the natural heat that would obtain under these conditions, Avhile all packing-house products and fresh meats are loaded direct from the coolers and the expense of superAusion that Avould naturally obtain in handling fruits and A'egetables because of the conditions that surround the handling of these commodities would be less than the handling of these commodities than in the case of fresh meat and packing-house products because the major part of that Avork is done by the shipper. (Tr., 6423-6424.) If I am correct in my understanding of this situation, Mr. Examiner, that the great preponderance of dairy traffic is handled from cold storage plants, my ansAver in that case Avould be the same practically as to fresh meat and packing-house products. I am not familiar Avith the methods of handling and shipping, Avhat I may call shell fish, that is, oysters, lob¬ sters, clams, etc., and would prefer not to express an opinion on that because I am not familiar Avith the con¬ ditions under which they are handled. (Tr., 6424.) Bananas are a x>eculiar commodity, generally sjoeaking, they do not require refrigeration and the only object in using ice and Avhen it is used according to my experience, there is only a limited amount used, it is then for the purpose of retarding the ripening and in such cases generally speaking it is under the direction of the mes- 373 senger in charge; a man usually accompanies these cars and if the condition of the bananas in his judgment is such that a ton of ice in front of the car or in some other cases- in the back bunker is necessary for the preserva¬ tion of the bananas, he will put it in. So that I really do not see how you could arrive at stated charges on a commodity of that kind. I think the cost of ice really is the proper basis. I Avould say that a very, very small proportion of bana¬ nas are shipped under refrigeration from gulf ports, ex¬ cept cars going to the southern territory, which, I Avould imagine, are largely in a little riper condition than the general run of bananas going to the major portion of the country. Generally they move in refrigeration cars under ventilation. (Tr., 6425.) Q. (By Mr. King) : What objection have you to a stated replenishing charge on packing-house products, dairy products, and so forth? A. From a personal standpoint and from the stand¬ point of equity, I would say that there would be no objec¬ tion to it at all, providing it was put on the proper basis. Q. (By Mr. "Westlake) : You mean providing the measure of the charges were proper? A. Yes, I think all traffic should pay for that service that it gets. (Tr., 6425-6426.) Q. (By Mr. "\Yestlake) : You heard some discussion to-night here between Mr. Dow and Mr. Blydenburgh with regard to his Exhibit Number 1 it being developed according to Mr. Dow's computations based upon Mr. Cleave's exhibit that the assumed amount of initial icing of the cars shown on the exhibit exceeded the bunker capacity of a great many of the cars of the railroads whose cars are described in Mr. Cleave's exhibit. What if any answer could you make to the criticism which Mr. 374 Dow voiced as to the fairness of this exhibit in showing an initial icing of 10,000 pounds and a re-icing of 4,000 pounds as hearing upon the fairness of the charges in the proposed tariff? A. First, I do not want to he put in the position of suhscrihing to the fact that if the stated charge service in this eastern territory was to he taken caré of hy cars of the hunker capacity that Mr. Dow stated, that it would he at all fair to compute the charges that are to he made on any such principle. Manifestly, it would he unfair. Having established that principle, I want to say fur¬ ther, however, that when it Avas finally decided hy the committee in Chicago as to what hunker capacity to use in computing the charges generally throughout the coun¬ try, we spent, I should say, at least a couple of days at various times discussing that very point. And I know that I personally took the position, and others did also, that we should have one hunker capacity in arriving at the charges. And realizing that there Avere some cars used around the country that did not have that capacity— that we were then discussing 5 tons as the proper basis —Ave took the position that while, generally speaking, our experience Avas that the great preponderance of the business Avas moving and would in the future move in ears of 5 tons capacity, that the committee would recom¬ mend to the operating departments AA'hen this tariff went in that such of their refrigerator cars as were of less hunker capacity should not he used in the protection of this business. And I recall very distinctly that the New York Central, the Erie, and I believe a representative of the LackaAvanna, although I am not so sure as to that, and a representative of the Pennsylvania, told us that except in emergencies or in isolated cases that that was the practice noAv under the stated charges. And I know of my OAA'n knowledge that shippers on the Delaware 375 Peninsula M^ould not accept unless there was a very great car shortage, bunkers of, for instance, Pennsylva¬ nia cars small bunker capacity. In fact the Pennsylva¬ nia does not send them there. I know that from my own experience on the Peninsula personally. I do not think I have ever seen a small hunker car on the lower end of the Peninsula where we operate and a great many of the Pennsylvania cars are put in express service there. And I think the general instructions of the Pennsylvania will hear me out that they are positive that only cars of E.-7 type he used. The E-7 type is the hig hunker car. My instructions to my people are that under no cir¬ cumstances barring an absolute car shortage of equip¬ ment shall they use any car in our territory of less than 5 tons capacity. But if, for example, they should do it, and it is done possibly to some extent now, and might he done in the future, the carrier who furnishes the service would still he responsible to the shipper for failing to give him adequate refrigeration. So that if we put a small hunker car in there, we are gambling wdth the loss and damage hazard in doing it. We do not want it in any business where we operate. Q. To what traffic would these small hunker cars he devoted then, if they w^ere not put into the fruit and vegetable traffic? A. It was stated at the committee meetings that these could he confined to dairy and other service of the rail¬ roads that did not require the capacity that highly per¬ ishable fruits and vegetables do. That was the general understanding of the committee. (Tr., 6426-6429.) I would say that these small hunker cars should not un¬ der any circumstances he used for berries or a commod¬ ity quite that perishable, hut I should see no difference for using them, for example, for grapes or some other 376 hardier commodities under certain conditions. (Tr., 6429.) Q. I recall that Mr. Dow, in one of his questions to Mr. Blydenbnrgh sugg-ested that it might be a good idea to establish a new cost of ice basis in this territory or that perhaps that would be feasible, provided the ship¬ per would pay, in addition to the cost of ice into the hunkers, additional charges which might be proper— he did not admit they were proper—hut, for instance, supervision, ice haulage, switching, bunker damage. Do you think it would be possible to construct a tariff which would take those elements into consideration in any way other than upon the stated charge basis? A. I do not see how it could he done fairly, Mr. West- lake. (Tr., 6442.) Witness continuing: I do not see that there is any practical Avay that it could he done. (Tr., 6442.) U. G. Powell.: Kate expert of the Nebraska State Railway Commis¬ sion. I believe that the refrigeration charges should be separately stated from the line-haul rate. Assuming that the service is furnished, I think that the services for pro¬ tection against cold and against heat should be separately stated from the line-haul rate. (Tr., 4275.) AVithout burdening the brief with further recitation of the testimony of other refrigeration experts, suffice it to say, that the propriety of a stated refrigeration charge is strongly supported by the testimony of witnesses : T. H. Gorman, general freight agent of American Re¬ frigerator Transit Company, with 28 years' experience in refrigeration and transportation of perishable freight. (1870 et seq.) George B. Horr, western dairy agent New York Cen- 377 tral and Michigan Central Railroads since 1915 and with experienco in handling perishable freight since 1893. (3859 et seq.) H. A. Huber, superintendent of refrigerator service Chicago, Rock Island & Pacific R. R. with 33 years' ex¬ perience in handling perishables. (1803 et seq.) Geo. R. Merritt, general agent refrigerator service Northern Pacific R. R. wfith 28 years' experience in han¬ dling perishables. (1158 et seq.) Geo. H. Nelson, manager refrigerator department Atchison, Topeka and Santa Fe R. R. in entire supervi¬ sion of perishable freight service with 21 years' experi¬ ence. (85 et seq.) One of the reasons stated by the witnesses in support of their view as to the propriety of the stated re¬ frigeration charge, is that on no other basis can the car¬ rier receive compensation for the service performed; in other words, that on the cost of ice basis the carrier is not, and cannot be, compensated for the various fac¬ tors of expense incident to refrigeration service. This difficulty the witnesses for the shippers admitted, except that some of them claimed that remuneration for ice haulage and switching was included in the freight rate. Among the factors which the carriers' witnesses men¬ tioned were ice haulage, switching, bunker damage, su¬ pervision, profit and hazard. That these are proper factors to be taken into consideration is well-established by the following cases : Arlington Heights Fruit Exchange et al. v. Southern Pacific Co. et al., 20 I. C. C., where the Commission said : "It appears that when the bunkers are filled with ice certain repairs to that portion of the car are necessary which are not ordinarily required, and that the expense of these repairs is perhaps $5 a trip, on the average. This is an item of cost which 378 should be properly charged against the refrigeration service." (Page 108 of the Opinion.) "It is plain in determining the additional charge, which the shipper who requires refrigeration should pay in addition to the amount exacted from the ship¬ per who does not receive refrigeration, the cost of this additional haul should be charged against the refrigerated shipment. Otherwise, the grower who picks his oranges earlier in the season, when they can be sent through under ventilation, will be com¬ pelled to contribute to the expense of transport¬ ing the fruit of his neighbor who does not market his crop until later. We hold that the expense of transporting this additional weight should he con¬ sidered in fixing the charges for refrigeration." (Page 109 of the Opinion.) "To this (cost of ice, cost of repairs to hunkers and hauling of ice) should be added a certain ele¬ ment of risk which the carrier must assume in the rendering of this service, and, as was held in Sotith- ern Bailtvay Co. v. St. Louis Hay £ Grain Co., 214 U. S., 299, a fair profit upon the transaction." (Page 111 of the Opinion.) Refrigeration Rates from Neiu Orleans, La., and Other Points, 31 I. C. C., 638, on page 640 of which will be found the statement: "On this statement the average refrigeration rev¬ enue for less than carloads is in both instances less than the average cost of the ice. The estimated cost of respondents of the service is |44.03 per car, exclusive of claim hazard. This is on the basis of $34.93 average cost of ice on the less-than-carload shipments in 1913, and includes various items charge¬ able to the Central Fruit Dispatch, such as propor¬ tion of pay roll bf general office, local inspection at icing stations, proportion of office rent at Chicago; average car repairs and damage to huidiers. These items are incapable of exact allocation, and there¬ fore the amounts chargeable to each are more or less arbitrary. Nevertheless, they do enter into the service cost, and are entitled to consideration." (Page 640 of the Opinion.) 379 Railroad Commission of California v. Älaibama Great Southern R. R. Co. et al., 32 I. C. C., 17, in which it is stated: "The principal contentions of both complainant and defendants have to do with the cost of the serv¬ ice. There is a disagreement at the outset as to the various items which should be considered in the cal¬ culation of the total refrigeration cost. The Cali¬ fornia Eailroad Commission contends that this cost should include only (1) the cost of ice used, and (2) a sum of $5 per car per trip for damage to the ice bunkers allowed by this Commission in the Arling¬ ton Heights Case, 20 I. C. C., 107, the case which concerned the refrigeration charge on California citrus fruits. Defendants on the other hand, in ex¬ hibits showing the amounts of the refrigeration costs, include (1) the cost of ice; (2) damage to bunkers; (3) supervision, which includes inspection and cer¬ tain overhead charges; and (4) cost of hauling the weight of ice carried in the refrigerator car. De¬ fendants in general adopt the theory applied by this Commission in the Arlington Heights case, supra, that since refrigeration is a service separate from, and additional to, ordinary transportation, for which a separate and additional charge is imposed, into this charge should enter all the elements of cost which are incurred solely in furnishing the refrig¬ eration service; that is, the elements which are ad¬ ditional to the service Avithout refrigeration. It may be noted here that this Commission held in the Arlington Heights case, supra, that a charge for the use of the special refrigerator car should not he included in the additional charge for refrigeration, since this charge was included in the freight rate of $1.15 applicable alike to shipments of citrus fruit in refrigerator cars under ventilation and under re¬ frigeration. The same holding is proper here in the case of the deciduous fruit traffic. The California Commission apparently takes issue with this general theory of additional cost and par¬ ticularly with the inclusion of the item of the cost of hauling ice, and also an item for extra sAvitching, which is contended for by the carriers though not included in their schedule of total cost. It argues 380 that the ice-haulage charge should not be included in the refrigeration rate because this service is per¬ formed not by the refrigerator company, but by the railroad and it contends, moreover, that this item is, as a matter of fact, included in the typical $1.15 deciduous freight rate. It attempts to distinguish the Arlington Heights case, which allowed this item as a part of the refrigeration rate, by arguing that the decision there was based on the fact that the tes¬ timony showed that only about half of the citrus fruit movement is under refrigeration, the other half moving under ventilation, and that, consequently, if it had been held that the item of ice haulage was a part of the freight rate the result would have been that the shipper who forwarded his citrus fruit under ventilation would have been compelled to pay for a service incident to refrigeration, which he did not receive. It is argued that the same decision is not necessary or proper in the present case for the reason that practically all of the deciduous fruit moves under refrigeration. These contentions raise two questions First whether the items in question are, as a matter of fact, covered by the present freight rate rather than by the refrigeration charge; and, second, whether they should properly he included in the freight rate or in the refrigeration charge. The question of fact as to whether the ice-haulage item was included in the freight rate was one of considerable difficulty in the decision of the Arling¬ ton Heights case, principally because of a practice, as testified by one official of a refrigerator company, of keeping this and other items 'suspended in air between the regular freight rate and the refrigera¬ tion rate,' and charging it to one or the other as either of the two different charges were attached. The objections to such a condition are obvious, and it seems essential to correct rate making, as it cer¬ tainly is to a just determination of the reasonable¬ ness of the different charges whenever they may be questioned, that there be an agreement and a fixed practice as to the allocation of the constituent ele¬ ments of cost between the two services. We are of the opinion upon the present aspects 381 of the matter that under the prevailing practice of separate charges the theory of differential costs outlined above is the one that should be adhered to. Under such a theory the item of ice haulage and also of extra switching should be included in the re¬ frigeration charge. This is so even though, as in the present case, practically the entire movement of the commodity in question is under refrigeration rather than part under ventilation and part under refrigeration. It Avas held in the Arlington Heights case that the argument that the service of hauling the ice Avas per¬ formed not by the refrigerator company but by the railroad does not establish that this item should not be included in the refrigeration charge; that the railroad company is responsible both for the trans¬ portation and the refrigeration service ; and that the reasonableness of the refrigeration charge should be determined exactly as though the service Avere ren¬ dered by the railroad company itself, and irre¬ spective of the consideration as to hoAV the railroad might divide the total revenue Avith the separate company with AA^hich it had contracted for furnish¬ ing part of the refrigeration service." (Pages 19, 20 and 21 of the opinion.) "While defendants did not include in their sum¬ mary of costs the items of extra sAvitching expense, they insisted that this item Avas properly chargeable to the refrigeration service and testified that the aAmrage expense for switching Avould be about 23 cents per car for each SAvitching movement. This does not seem excessive. In the case of Chicago shipments the P. F. E. cars are normally re-iced seven times, and at this rate the extra SAvitching cost Avould be about $1.75 per car. We are of the opinion that this is a differential cost properly at¬ tributable to refrigeration, and we do not find that this item is covered by the freight rate. We hold, therefore, that it shonld be included in the refrig¬ eration costs." The Commission in that case also referred AAÙth ap- 382 pro val to the items of hazard and profit. (Opinion, page 26.) Melon Refrifferation Charges, 38 I. C. C., 62, on page 63 of which appears this : "A number of exhibits show refrigeration ex¬ penses incurred in the movement of cantaloupes from the territory of origin during 1913 and 1914. These were prepared in accordance with the rulings in Arlington Heights Fruit Exchange v. 8. P. Co., 20 I. C. C., 106; Atchison Railway Co. v. United States, 232 U. S., 199; Railroad Commission of Cali¬ fornia V. A. G. S. R. R. Co., 32 I. C. C., 17 ; Montrose S Delta Counties Freight Rate Asso. v. R. R. Co., 34 I. C. C., 400. They show that the cost of the serv¬ ice per car exceeded the revenue per car." (Page 63 of the opinion.) Williamson v. A. T. S. F. Ry. Co., et al., 42 I. C. C., 11, on page 12 of which will he found this expression of the Commission : "Complainant's contention that carriers are en¬ titled to charge only for the cost of ice actually fur¬ nished is concluded by Railroad Commission of Cali¬ fornia V. A. G. S. R. R. Co., 32 I. C. C., 17, and other cases, in which we held that the carriers are entitled, in addition to the actual cost of ice furnished, to compensation for the haulage of the ice, the cost of supervision, repairs to bunkers, extra switching, and to an alloAcance for depreciation of cars, damage claims, and profit. In Refrigeration Charges on Fruits and Vegetables, 29 I. C. C., 653, involving refrigeration charge of $40 per car for the so-called shipper's icing plan previously in effect." (Page 12 of the opinion.) Mississippi R. R. Commission v. Neio Orleans, Mobile S Chicago R. R. Co., et al., 42 I. C. C., 574, at page 57 of the opinion in which case the Commission says: "From tables of actual movements compiled by complainants it appears that the cost of ice is about 383 75 per cent of tlie refrigeration charges of the New Orleans, Mobile & Chicago and a somewhat higher percentage of the charges of the Alabama & Vicks- burg. But there are other elements of expense in refrigeration, such as the extra cost of hauling the ice, the necessity of cleaning the car, the damage to bunkers from icing and to the cars from the melting ice, extra switching and supervision necessary to get the ice from the ice house. There is also the profit to which the carrier is entitled. Arlington Heights Fridt Exchange v. 8. P. Co., 20 I. C. C., 106; Southern Rg. Co. v. St. Louis Hay S Grain Co., 214 U. S., 297. When these are considered, the fact that the ice costs only 75 per cent of the refrigeration charges falls short of showing that the refrigeration charges are unreasonable. Railroad Commission of California v. A. G. S. R. R. Co., 32 I. C. C., 17, 26." (Page 57 of the opinion.) Roy Campbell v. St. Louis, Broivnsville & Mexico Ry. Co., et al., 44 I. C. C., 567, on page 569 of the opinion in which case appears the following : "Complainant's contention that carriers are en¬ titled to charge only for the cost of ice actually fur¬ nished is concluded by Railroad Commission of Cali¬ fornia V. A. G. S. R. R. Co., 32 I. C. C., 17, and other cases, in which we held that carriers are entitled, in addition to the actual cost of ice furnished, to com¬ pensation for the haulage of the ice, the cost of su¬ pervision repairs to bunkers, extra switching, and to an allowance for depreciation of cars, damage claims, and profit. In Refrigeration Charges on Fruits and Vegetables, 29 I. C. C., 653, involving re¬ frigeration charges on fruits and vegetables from points in Colorado to points in Kansas, we permitted the discontinuation of the so-called 'Shippers' icing plan' and the substitution of a flat refrigeration charge. ' ' (Page 569 of the opinion.) 384 Loretz, Pegram S Compamj v. Southern Pacific Co., et al., 51 I. C. C., 158, on pages 159 and 160 of which the Commission used this language: "The carriers are entitled, in addition to the actual cost of the ice furnished, to compensation for the haulage of the ice, the cost of supervision, re¬ pairs to bunkers and extra switching, and to an allowance for depreciation of cars, damage claims, and profit. Railroad Commission of California v. A. G. S. R. R. Co., 32 I. C. C'., 17 ; Campbell v. St. L., R. é M. Rij. Co., 44 I. C. C., 567." (Pages 159 and 160 of the opinion.) In view therefore, of these opinions of the Commis¬ sion, and of the witnesses to whose testimony reference has been made, it is incontrovertible that the factors mentioned are properly chargeable to the refrigeration service, and to that alone. No way has yet been devised whereby the expense represented by those factors can be justly charged to the shipper alone who requires and receives the refrigeration service, except through the medium of a separately stated refrigeration charge. If the basis is that of "cost per ton of ice" the carrier re¬ ceives no compensation for those factors except in so far as some of the factors may be claimed to be included in the freight rate, nor does the shipper bear the burden of such factors except to the extent that the freight rate may be said to include them. And if any of the factors of such expense are included in the freight rate, then the shipper Avhose commodities do not require and do not re¬ ceive refrigeration, contributes to the expense which should properly be borne by the shipper of the same com¬ modities Avhich do receive such refrigeration service. To the end, therefore, that the burden may fall where it should, and that the carriers shall receive proper com¬ pensation for the service performed, refrigeration 385 charges should be upon a stated basis and consequently stated separately and all factors entering into the ex¬ pense of the service should be included in the stated charge. Permit us to again refer to the case of, Refrigeration Charges on Fruits and Vegetables from Colorado to Kansas Points, 29 1. C. C., 653, where the Commission emphatically decided that refrig¬ eration service, even between the short-haul points there involved, should be on a stated charge basis. And to the proposition that refrigeration charges should be stated separately we refer to Section 6 of the Act to Eegulate Commerce, which is mandatory in its require¬ ment that the "icing charges" shall be separately stated, in the tariffs of the carriers. Following this came the decision of the Commission itself in Refrigeration Charges on the Kansas City Southern Railivay, 26 I. C. C., 618, where at pages 619 and 620, this language is used : "It will be observed that the present charge for refrigeration under the rule involved is a part of a first-class rate; that it is merely a part of a com¬ posite freight and refrigeration charge, the com¬ ponent factors of which are not stated. The law requires that carriers shall state separately in their tariffs all charges for refrigeration and similar serv¬ ices in connection with the receipt handling and de¬ livering of traffic and tue shall deal with these charges separately in this case." (Italics ours). And then followed the case of 1. C. C. V. Stickney, 215 U. S., 98, where the U. S. Supreme Court, in dealing with a termi¬ nal charge, refers to the sixth section of the Act to Eegu¬ late Commerce, and finds that under that section car¬ riers must separately state such terminal charges, and that such terminal charge must be considered by itself, 386 independent of, and apart from, the line-haul rate. As the words "icing charges" are found in the same sen¬ tence with "terminal charges"—to wit "and shall also state separately all terminal charges, storage charges, icing charges"—no possible logical or reasonable dif¬ ferentiation or distinction can be made between the two classes of accessorial service. In other words, if "termi¬ nal charges" must be stated separately—and the most authoritative legal tribunal in the United States in no uncertain language has said that they must be so stated— then "icing charge" must likewise be stated separately. This being the fact it follows that all of the factors men¬ tioned should be considered by the Commission in de¬ termining the reasonableness of the refrigeration charges proposed by the tariff now before us for disposition; and this, irrespective of whether some of the factors may be included in the freight rate. We therefore submit, in view of the testimony of the witnesses to whom reference has been made and especially because of the decisions of the Commission and the cases cited, that the propriety of a stated refrig¬ eration charge on the commodities which have been made subject thereto in Section 2 of the tariff, is practically no longer open to debate. Measure of Stated Charges. Before discussing the measure of stated chages, that is, the carriers' justification of the reasonableness of the proposed stated refrigeration charges found in Table Nos. 1 to 96, both inclusive, a foreword outlining the members of the committee which formulated the charges, the efforts put forth by them to arrive at just and equi¬ table charges, and the method adopted by them, would seem to be appropriate. In this connection we quote the 387 substance of tlie testimony of certain witnesses wbo were members of the committee. R. C. Dearborn. Q. Can you tell us, Mr. Dearborn, the general prin¬ ciple underlying the construction of the stated refriger¬ ation charges in the perishable protective tariff, includ¬ ing those in this territory involved in this hearing? A. There were on this committee a number of men who had spent the greater part of their working lives in the perishable freight game from the transportation standpoint, who felt that they were probably as familiar with conditions throughout the territories where stated refrigeration charges have been in effect as anybody in the country, having made a study of it for a number of years. (Tr., 6179-80.) Those men were G. H. Nelson of the Sante Fe, Mr. E. W. Rice of the A. R. T. Co., Mr. P. B. Beidelman of the Great Northern R. R., Mr. J. B. Scott of the Fruit Growers Express, Mr. E. S. Briggs of the Pacific Fruit Express Co., Mr. E. F. McPike, Mr. H. A. Huher, Mr. R. E. Cpmming, now secretary of the American Fruit and Vegetable Shippers Association and formerly with the Frisco Refrigerator Line. I myself spent my time on that work for the last year and a half. (Tr., 6181.) I have been connected with the refrigeration service for about 17 years and Mr. G. H. Nelson has been connected with that work for 21 years. Most of these otFer gentle¬ men have had more experience in refrigeration service than I have. During our experience we were called upon more or less to confer with people that were interested in the rates from the territories where stated refrigera¬ tion charges had not been in effect. (Tr., 6182.) It was necessary to find out the different commodities. 388 the different conditions, the different times of movement that cover the varions sections of the United States or the commodities that move from the varions sections of the United States and the times of year and operating conditions as far as possible, taking into consideration the cost of ice and everything that went to make np re¬ frigeration charges. Investigation was started, I believe, about the first of July in 1918 to ascertain the various costs of ice, ton¬ nages and so forth throughout the principal producing section of the United States and on the lines at their ragular icing stations and emergency icing stations; the idea being to arrive at ice costs per ton in the bunkers in localities and in districts. A great deal of data was secured along those lines. In many instances figures were furnished us which upon a careful check showed that a great deal of the elements going into the cost of ice had not been given considera¬ tion and we found it necessary to take up with some lines two and three times as to hoAv they arrived at their costs and what elements were included. And I may say even in the final analysis we were not entirely satisfied with a great many figures we had. But from those figures we arrived at what we thought was as close an approxi¬ mation for ice costs for the year 1918 as could be secured and throughout Official Classification territory we felt that $4 a ton on the average would come very close to being the actual cost. We kneAV from our OAvn experience in other territories where conditions were similar in some instances and dissimilar in others what constituted refrigeration, how much ice was necessary for the initial icing, the first re- icing and re-icing in transit in accordance with the distance and with temperature. We endeavored to give 389 all those items consideration and in the territories where no stated charges were in effect we also attempted to secure information from those roads as to what the serv¬ ice was in the past; and as I say, we met some of the conditions that I related a while ago. In other words, we found it pretty nearly impossible to hase stated re¬ frigeration charges on actual records in some territories and in those territories we based it upon the information we could receive as to conditions and our knowledge of Avhat went to make up the elements of refrigeration cost. The first of those elements was the cost of ice, the amount of ice and the cost per ton being given considera¬ tion. The second thing we took into consideration was the haulage of the ice in the bunkers. In the Arlington Heights case No. 3,000 the Commission laid down the principle some ten years ago that has been brought forth in many Interstate Commerce cases since and has been practically adopted by the various refrigeration interests and also by the transportation lines as being one of the elements of refrigeration service. The haulage of ice as computed by us in this particular work was based upon the haulage of 8,000 pounds of ice, 2,164 miles, from California to Chicago. It Avas worked out upon a pro¬ portionate basis in the various territories. (Tr., 6183-5.) In the Arlington Heights case the commission allowed $20 for the haulage of 8,000 pounds of ice for 2,164 miles. That Avas approximately 1.15 cents per hundred pounds per hundred miles. I think in some in¬ stances that figure has been used, although I believe, gen¬ erally speaking, a round figure of one cent per hundred pounds per hundred miles has been considered as the cost of the haulage of ice. (Tr., 6185.) In that connection I desire to say while the Commis¬ sion found that as a reasonable figure some ten or twelve 390 years ago and all transportation costs have gone-np very greatly since, I do not knoAv of anybody that has at¬ tempted to increase that item in making np these charges, although we do feel that it is an item which should prop¬ erly he increased. We also considered hunker damage at $5 a car. That was an item which was also laid down by the Commis¬ sion not only in the Arlington Heights case hut various other cases, and that figure we did not attempt to in¬ crease, although from all the information we could get—and I will say that we made numerous attempts through mechanical departments of railroads, car lines and so forth to find out what it amounted to—^we were unable to get a definite figure. Although we have been advised that in most instances it runs considerably over $5 to the car. In that connection I want to say there was considerable discussion as to whether that $5 per car should be used in short hauls as well as long hauls. We did not attempt to put it in as between one and the other; we took it as it lay and figured in our own minds- probably the only Avay it could he used was on that basis. We also took in the item of switching, which had been alloAved at 25 cents per switch, but in our investigation we developed that that had gone up very naturally, and increased that to 35 cents per switch on the contracted line or on the initial cars of the shipment, performing the service. We also felt that the refrigeration service being a spe¬ cial service requiring extra Avork, labor and supervision, that we Avere entitled to the supervision charge and Avent into that element also. We developed from certain car lines more than from the railroad, for the simple reason that the railroads do not allocate their charges as be¬ tween superAusion of refrigerator shipments and line- 391 haul rates, that the supervision charge ran as high as I think $6.15 down to in the neighborhood of $4, and we took the minimum and charged $4 supervision. And we based that on the movement rather than on the distance, feeling that, generally speaking, the greater part of your supervision expenses is in the initial service. I know as far as our company is concerned that that is true, and I think that the rest of the gentlemen took the same posi¬ tion and will bear me out in that statement. Those are the elements Avhich we considered in the making of refrigeration charges not only in territory where it had not been on a stated basis before, but also in the territories where it had been in effect; but in the territories where it had been in effect we had something more to go to on costs of ice and on icing service in tran¬ sit than in the territories where it was not previously in effect, consequently it Avas somewhat easier for us to arrive at a proper basis in the territory where those charges had been in effect for a number of years. Our investigations developed that the average ice bunker capacity of cars in common use in the transpor¬ tation of fruits and vegetables under refrigeration was 10,000 pounds or very close thereto. "We were also ad¬ vised that there were some cars of smaller capacity. There are a great many that are also larger. But we took the 10,000 pounds as the initial icing basis. Investigation also developed that various commodities in varions seasons took different amounts of initial re- icing. Our further investigation along that line shoAved initial re-icings running all the Avay from 2,000 pounds to 8,000 and 9,000 pounds. We figured that the average on the green fruit, a commodity'which was more generally used as a basis tban any other commodity, it being prob¬ ably a commodity Avhich is grown in more sections of the 392 country than any other—the initial icing was five tons and the first icing from 4,000 to 5,000 lbs. "We knew from actual experience that such commodities as apples, generally speaking, throughout the Avhole United States moved at a later season of the year than green fruit. That is not necessarily true of all territories as there are some few territories where early apples do move in July and August; but generally speaking, we felt that the apple was more of a fall movement than the green fruit. We also knew that in some instances, or we were ad¬ vised in some instances, that apples are held in cold storage and move out under refrigeration, and that also was given consideration in arriving at cost of service. When we got to the vegetables Ave found various condi¬ tions in Avarions parts of the country. California ships vegetables the year around; Texas ships vegetables prob¬ ably the year around; other territories ship vegetables in July, August and September; in other territories it is more of a AAÛnter movement. And there are various classes of A^egetables. There is generally a difference be- tAveen cabbage, spinach, lettuce and potatoes, depending upon the territory AA'here shipped and when shipped. And in our considerations Ave attempted to give the various territories, from the best knoAAdedge that we could obtain, the consideration that Avas due to the commodities; in some instances going so far as to split the vegetables movement, confining it perhaps on a high rate basis to cabbage and tomatoes, putting them on the green fruit rate, feeling that those commodities move at the same time of year, knoAving that they were very large consum¬ ers of ice, and from the same territory there might be a Avinter movement of spinach, lettuce, and celery which did not take so much ice, and Ave attempted to give that due consideration. 393 I think that is about all I have got to say unless you want something further. (Tr., 6185-90.) Mr. Westlake : It was originally intended, Mr. Ex¬ aminer, that Mr. E. W. Eice, formerly connected with the American Refrigerator Transit Company and who was chairman of the committee which arrived at the charges applicable in Official Classification territory should testify at this time as to the details of these charges. Mr. Rice some time ago left the American Re¬ frigerator Transit Company and I telegraphed to him last Thursday, I believe it was, to be in New York Satur¬ day or Monday and I telegraphed to him Tuesday, he not having shown up, to come immediately to New York. So far he has not arrived. I received a telegram from his office Monday stating that he was out of town and would be in office Monday. Now, Mr. Dearborn is familiar in a general way with the construction of all of these rates and will go just as far as he can to give the shippers information as to the method of construction of these charges. It may be that he will not be able to go into some of the details con¬ cerning which you would like to have information, but we will do the best we can. Q. (By Mr. Westlake.) Now, Mr. Dearborn, will you explain in a general way the method adopted by the com¬ mittee in arriving at the charges which appear in the Proposed Perishable Tariff No. 1 for the territory Avhich is involved in this hearing, taking New York I assume as the basis for the whole territory. A. The basic commodity used from New York State was green fruits; in fact, the green fruit was generally considered the basic commodity from practically all ter¬ ritory. 394 I think I explained yesterday that there was a ditïer- ence in the service performed and in the needs of fruits, vegetables, apples and so forth, there being a difference between the different commodities, not only in time of shipment but in the general nature of the commodity itself. In arriving at the rates from New York State we en¬ deavored to work to the end that we would make basic rates to the principal destination points in the country, for example, on your short-haul business from the peach growing territory of New York, Buffalo as a short-haul destination. We also considered New York City, Boston, Pittsburgh, Chicago, Kansas City and numerous other points, and worked toward arriving at the basic rates to tliose individual destinations. For example, from the shipping territory on peaches to Buffalo we used the station of Albion as an originat¬ ing station. We figured out that the five tons of ice re¬ ferred to yesterday would be supplied for initial icing and that there would be one re-icing of two tons. The cost used as I stated last night was $4 a ton, which we esti¬ mated in July, 1918, was a harely close cost throughout the territory. In that connection I know that we have an exhibit here showing what the actual costs were in 1918 and throughout the eastern territory I see that the average is $5.04. Q. You are referring now to E. J. Cleave's Exhibit 6, are you not? A. Yes, l am. So I feel further that the $4 cost tliat we use is at least more than fair to the shippers. The cost of the initial icing and the first re-icing on the basis of $4 a ton will give a cost of $28. We took in the items of bunker damage, supervision, switching, haulage 395 and so forth, figuring- $5 for the hunker damage, $4 for supervision, 70 cents for switching and a haulage charge of $1, the distance being 99 miles, Avhich gave a total cost of $38.70 on a $45 rate, leaving a profit and hazard of $6.30, Avhich we consider is very fair. In the same connection we figured from Albion to New York City. Q. Via what railroad! A. Via the New York Central; initial icing and first re-icing at point of shipment or in the shipping territory, being five tons and two tons respectively at $4 per ton would be a cost of $28 and one ton at the New York Cen¬ tral icing station at Albany or Karner, rather, which is $4; your bunker supervision, switching and haulage, which were on the same basis, given you before, amount¬ ing to $45.70, with the exception that the haulage was $4 rather than $1. (Tr., 6195-98.) The distance is 401 miles from Albion to New York City and the rate checked in was $50, leaving a net for hazard and profit of $4.30. lYe have like illustrations to Boston, Pittsburgh and Phila¬ delphia. To Boston we figured it via the New York Cen¬ tral and Boston & Albany, also via the New York Central and Boston & Maine, and I think one illustration for the two routes Avould be sufficient. We provided initial icing of five tons and first re-icing of two tons in the loading territory, a re-icing at Mechanicville one ton and one ton at East Deerfield, $4 each; bunker damage $5, supervi¬ sion $4, switching 70' cents and haulage $5. (Tr., 6198.) We put in a ton at East Deerfield, which is on the Boston & Maine. I said I took them by both the Boston & Al¬ bany and the Boston & Maine. The Boston & Albany would he at Springfield rather than at East Deerfield. The Boston & Maine we took Mechanicville. (Tr., 6198.) And the other at Albany in the case of the Boston & 396 Albany. The distance from Albion to Boston is 468 miles via the Boston & Maine, and it gives a total cost of $50.70 as against a $55 rate. A like example at Pittsburgh, routing the shipments via the New York Central and Pennsylvania Kailroad. The first icing and first re-icing $28, one re-icing at Oil City, one ton at $4, $5 bunker charge, $4 supervision, 70 cents switching and $4 for hauling, making a cost of $45.70 compared with the $50 rate. (Tr., 6199.) From Chicago, via New York Central Eailroad, initial icing of 5 tons, first re-icing 2 tons at point of origin, ex¬ pense of $28. 1 ton of ice supplied each at Gardenville, Collinwood and Air Line Junction, making an additional $12 for the ice; $5 bunker; $4 supervision; 70 cents switching, $7 haulage, 630 miles, being the distance, which gave a cost of $58.70 on an $80 rate. From Albion to Albany, Georgia, via New York Cen¬ tral, Pennsylvania, E. F. & P. and Atlantic Coast Line: Initial and first re-icing 7 tons, $28 ; 1 ton each supplied at Elmira and Potomac Yard; at Elmira at $4 and at Potomac. Yards 1 ton at $4.50 a ton ; 1 ton at Eock Mount, 1 at Bennetts, 1 at Waycross, at $5 a ton each. (Tr., 6200.) The other points are Bennetts and Waycross, one ton each there at $5 per ton. (Tr., 6200.) Bunker damage $5, supervision $4, switching 70 cents, haulage $13, dis¬ tance 1,249 miles, would give an expense of $74.20. Thé rate checked in is $80. (Tr., 6200-6201.) To Kansas City we used two routings, one via New York Central, Big Four and Missouri Pacific and one via New York Central, Michigan Central and Santa Fe. On the first routing, via Big Four and Missouri Pa¬ cific, $4 ice was used entirely, car being initially iced and 397 first re-icing with 2 tons, 1 ton each supplied at Garden- ville, Collinwood, Indianapolis, St. Louis, Sedalia, Mis¬ souri. Bunker damage of $5, supervision |4, switching 70 cents, haulage |11, the mileage being 1,100 miles, a total cost of $68.70, the rate checked in being $70. My other examples via the Michigan Central and Santa Fe, the initial icing and first re-icing were supplied the same, and the car was iced at Montrose, at Michigan Cen¬ tral Junction, Blue Island and Fort Madison. "With the exception of Fort Madison, the icing was all figured at $4 a ton. Q. (By Mr. Westlake.) What was it at Fort Madi¬ son? A. At the time that we were figuring on these rates, the information Ave had led us to believe that $3.50 Avould be the proper cost charge in the State of Iowa, and Ave used $3.50 at Madison. I might say right noAV that that has since been changed to $4. Bunker damage $5, supervision $4, sAvitching 70 cents, haulage $11, distance 1,090 miles, Avhich gave a cost of $64.20, as against the $70 rate. These are the examples that I have. We Avorked a number of these which I have not with me, hut I think they fairly illustrate the method A\Lich were used in arriving at AAdiat Ave considered proper stated refrigera¬ tion charges. Q. I notice in these examples, Mr. Dearborn, that you have given, that you have uniformly used 70 cents switching. That Avould he initial icing and first re-icing. Apparently, at that time, yon did not take into account any additional SAvitchings at re-icing points. A. The original understanding as to the switching was that the first initial icing—or the initial icing or the 398 first re-icing only would be included. It was later felt that on the original line or the initial line, that all re- icing supplied on that line should be included on the basis of 35 cents ; but inasmuch as this is the way we originally made up this form, I continued to use that. Q. So that on your first example, Albion to Buffalo via the New York Central, there being no re-icing after the re-icing at initial point, your 70 cents would be all right? A. 70 cents Avould be correct. (Tr., 6201-6202.) "We used only two SAvitches at 35 each in checking in these rates and all the way through we would have to add 35 for each switch beyond the initial switch and the switch for re-icing at the initial point for the addi¬ tional switches performed on the initial line. As to states other than New York we pursued the same general plan in making up our statement of refrigeration charges. (Tr., 6203.) In practically all the territory we Avorked it out to the best of our knowledge and information Ave could get along the same general line. (Tr., 6203-6204.) The supervision charge of $4 I explained in my testimony yesterday. The SAAÛtching charge of 35c per car or per switch has been heretofore fully explained in the record. The haulage of ice was at Arlington Heights ease basis. (Tr., 6204.) Q. (By Mr. AVestlake.) I assume, Mr. Dearborn, that there are some hauls on this Noav York business, or business in this territory, that are less than 99 miles aa'hich you have used from Albion to Buffalo? A. Generally speaking I suppose there are shipments moving under refrigeration for distances of possibly 20 or 30 miles. My theory on that, hoAvever, is that for a night haul, as far as the line haul is concerned, refriger- 399 ation service is not necessary. Eefrigeration service might be necessary, however, for that kind of a move¬ ment which you take into consideration that the shipper is going to be in the neighborhood of 24 hours in loading ids car, and some 6 or 8 hours in the haulage, and may find it necessary to hold his car at destination from 1 to 2 or 3 days in order to properly protect his goods, and he may, therefore, need refrigeration. As far as the actual haul itself is concerned of 6 hours, I would say that it never would be necessary. Q. Do you feel that for those short hauls of 25 or 30 miles your example of 99 miles from Albion to Buffalo is typical or representative? A. As far as cost is concerned, I can see where there would be no real difference between a movement of 5 miles and 100 miles. It is necessary to supply the same amount of ice. The difference in the time of your haul¬ age would only be some 4 or 5 hours. The time of load¬ ing and the time at destination would be the same. Con¬ sequently, I would say that your icing service would be on the same basis. Q. What if any consideration did the committee give to the fact that in this territory certain shipments, for instance, apples, move out of cold storage? A. They gave quite a large amount of consideration to the apple movement from this territory, we being ad¬ vised that apples did move to quite a large extent from cold storage; and the apple rate from New York State is on a basis of $10 less per car generally speaking, than the green fruit applied only for a certain distance and that as the haul increased that rate was reduced to a difference of $5 per car. Q. Do you know why it was on some of those long 400 hauls the spread between the green fruit and the apple rate was made only $5 as against $10 for the short haulf A. It Avas figured generally that you would have the same natural tendency to overcome on your long haul after the car had been thoroughly cooled as you would have on your green fruit shipments, and it was our opin¬ ion that |5 would be the proper differential. Q. As illustrating that $10 spread, you might call at¬ tention, for instance, to page 361 of the tariff, from New York, group A, to New York groups 1 and 2; the rate in column 4, which covers apples is how much? A. $35. Q. And the rate in column 1, which is fruits (except apples, vegetables and melons) in straight or mixed car¬ loads, is how much? A. $45. Mr. Dow; Those two groups are the same, are they not? Group A is identical AAuth groups 1 and 2, is it not? The Witness : I think that is correct. In other words, from your Eochester section into Buffalo, your rate would be $35. To Noav York City territory your rate is $40 on apples, from the same producing territory. Q. (By Mr. Westlake.) That would be, for instance, in column 4, apples from group A to group 3? A. $40: Q. $40 on apples, and $50 on your green fruit? A. That is correct. Q. That $10 spread would represent a difference of 2 tons and a half of ice at the $4 cost basis which you used in making up these rates? A. It Avould. 401 I might say, in that connection, that I believe it is jnst as essential that apples coming from cold storage he given maximum refrigeration as it is on apples coming out of the fields, for the reason that a commodity which has been held, or a commodity of the nature of apples which has been held in cold storage for a certain length of time at a temperature sufficiently low to prevent its interioration, should not he allowed to move with make¬ shift refrigeration of one or two tons, and take a chance with the elements, because it will go to pieces quicker, I believe, than your car coming out of the field. Q. If these examples which you gave were figured on the present ice costs, as you understand them to-day in this territory, there would he far less if any spread at all between the items properly chargeable to this service and the rates which have been checked in this tariff? A. It would add practically $1 a ton to all the ice supplied, which on even your short haul would make a difference of $7 and your long haul on the lines in this territory would be some higher. (Tr., 6204, 6205, 6206, 6207, 6208, 6209.) The ice haulage is figured on the Ic per 100 pounds per 100-mile basis. It is not figured down to the exact cents. That is taken as an approximation which might vary 15 or 20 cents per car. (Tr., 6209.) Mr. Dow: Will you develop, Mr. Westlake, inasmuch as my cross-examination is deferred, how that item of profit is figured? Mr. Westlake: There is no profit figured here. We have just simply given you the items properly charge¬ able to this service and are giving you the rate and then we are assuming that we are entitled to some profit and hazard. 402 Mr. Doav : I thought you were asking how he arrived at the rate? Mr. Westlake : We simpy arrived at the rate and then there is a very small sum between the cost of the service and the rate checked in, and I think you yourself will probably admit that we are entitled to these figures or these difterences for our profit and our hazard. Mr. Doav: Does that mean that you arrived at the rate first and figured the cost afterwards and then agreed that the difference was fair? Mr. Westlake: You might ask Mr. Dearborn that question. The Witness: No, we figured the cost and arrived at our rate, figuring that three or four or five dollars, if it happened to be in that category, would he an average fair profit. (Tr., 6209, 6210.) The Witness (continuing) : We did not find our profit a certain fixed figure. If our cost was $49.20, we Avould make our return $55. If our cost was $51, we would probably make our return $55 also. In other words, there was a leeAvay of $1, $2 or $3 in and between the cost and the return. We aim to strike in the neighbor¬ hood of $5 per car. (Tr., 6210.) John B. Scott. Keferring to the committee aa'hich Avorked on this east¬ ern proposition, I Avant to say that during our working hours Ave Avould sit in different rooms. I spent a part of every day and regularly each week the entire com¬ mittee met as a AAdiole and discussed all these problems so Ave Avould all be Avoi'king on the same basis. I person¬ ally saAA' the Department of Agriculture's statistics for the State of Noav York aa^hich the committee had. (Tr., 403 6453.) We liad quite a few of those Government bulle¬ tins. (Tr., 6453.) With regard to figures on the present cost to the shipper of this service, we sent representa¬ tives into the territory to personally investigate condi¬ tions and the representatives did canvass that territory and they found conditions about to the effect that Mr. Dearborn testified to, varying in practices and things of that kind. I have not at this time any personal informa¬ tion as to the statistics that they got together with ref¬ erence to this situation, although I saw them at the time. (Tr., 6454.) Q. Well, you have described all that they got. They got the volume of the movement, did they, of all these perishables from New York State? A. Yes. People who have spent practically their en¬ tire working life in handling fruits and vegetables under refrigeration under stated charges—that is about all we Avould need to arrive at a reasonably fair conclusion, Avould be first to know what the commodities were to be handled, when they would move, Avhat the ice situation generally is, about where the service of the icing would have to be given, and so forth, and we would be prepared to proceed on a reasonably accurate basis, taking our ex¬ perience into consideration. Q. You Avould Avant to knoAv Avhen the commodities move, in Avhat volume, from and to Avhat points, and the A'arying characteristics Avith respect to the commodities themselves and climatic conditions and all these things? A. Now, of course, from what points they moved would be valuable only to the extent as to the amount of equipment to be required, and those things, generally speaking. There may be exceptions. For sample, in your case, I understand you have lots of short hauls. That might make some difference, and of course it would. 4U4 Q. To what extent did you go into that short-haul question? A. Well, I do not know that any of us are in a posi¬ tion to say that we knew how much of that business was short-haul business. I personally do not know and I do not knoAv that I saw any staistics on it. In other words, I would not know whether 1 per cent or 20 per cent of that business customarily moved to a market like Buffalo or to a market like Eochester, but my general judgment would he that Eochester would get very few, if any, car¬ loads other than some cold storage movement. (Tr., 6454-6455.) These movements into storage should certainly not be a refrigeration movement, generally speaking. Now, Buffalo, I can imagine, might get quite a little business under refrigeration. I understand there is a big move¬ ment of apples from the storages in Western New York. In that respect they resemble somewhat the traffic in dairy products and I think the committee tried to recog¬ nize that condition by having a somewhat lower rate. Personally I do not believe in a lower rate on apples generally than on vegetables. My experience does not convince me that apples that actually move in the sum¬ mer time are entitled to that low rate. But when you consider that a large proportion of that business moves in the fall from cold storage that might make a differ¬ ence. But in Michigan, for example, Ave have already handled this season our apple business. We handled that in the month of August, the hottest period we have had for the year. We handled them ahead of poaches. (Tr., 6456.) These apples from Michigan moved into consumption. (Tr., 6456.) Noav, we will not get any more apple business this season. (Tr., 6456, 6457.) 405 Q. Do you mean that all your business in Michigan has been handled directly to consuming points as dis¬ tinguished from storage? A. I do not expect to handle another shipment of ap¬ ples under refrigeration from Michigan this season, and our business has only practically started. Our apple business is practically over. There may be a car or two this week. When I say it is over, it was practically over before I left Chicago. There may be a stray car or two, but generally speaking the season is over. (Tr., 6457.) I left Chicago last Thursday, a week ago. In fact, I was in Benton Harbor a week ago Saturday, in the ter¬ ritory, and the boys told me then that the apple business would wind up that week. (Tr., 6457.) Q. (By Mr. Dow.) I did not realize that the Michi¬ gan apples were stored to such a small extent as that testimony indicates. A. I do not think a single one of those cars went to storage, although I personally do not know that, although they all went under refrigeration, and I know from my own observation at Benton Harbor the days I was there that the ice consumption was very heavy, and I know from past statistics there is nothing in the meltage. to justify a lower rate, although I will admit your New York situation may be different, when you take that vol¬ ume of cold storage into account, if there is the volume I have heard spoken about. Q. And that has been increasing very materially in the last few years in storage? A. I do not know. I am waiting with much interest the facts you are to present on that. It may change my views on some of the charges we propose. Q. (By Mr. Westlake.) Mr. Scott, I think the im- 406 pression prevails here that very little thought or con¬ sideration Avas given by the committee which framed the proposed tariff to the charges in the Official Classifica¬ tion territory, particularly with regard to New York State. Will you tell us, someAvhat in detail, what the com¬ mittee did, Avhat investigation it made, to determine the stated charges to be applied to the traffic in this terri¬ tory® A. In the first place, Avhile I Avas not a member of the original committee, at the investigation of the southern roads on Avhich Ave operate, I was invited by the com¬ mittee to sit with them and assist them to the extent of my ability in arriving at proper charges for the south¬ ern business at least; and accordingly, at such an invita¬ tion, I did sit AA'ith the committee for months. In the course of those sessions—and, by the way, there Avere some tAventy or thirty members of that committee— as far as I could judge all of the so-called refrigeration experts of the country from the railroads' standpoint Avere in attendance. All sections of the country, gener¬ ally speaking, were represented, and very thorough and full discussions Avere had on all matters, before any de¬ cisions were reached. In so far as the charges Avere concerned, in view of the scope of the Avork, quite properly the charges were divided into three committees, southern, western and eastern; and Avhile I did not sit continuously with the eastern committee, my Avork being largely in connection Avith the southern committee, I did spend considerable time Avith the eastern committee, and the committee with AAdiieh I did sit Avere in the next room to the eastern com¬ mittee, and Ave were continually exchanging ideas one Avith the other, where it was thought that one or the 407 other might help, from personal knowledge that we thought some member might have on some particular point that was under discussion. In so far as the eastern work was concerned, I know that the committee went very carefully into every pos¬ sible detail of the situation. They examined all of the Government statistics as to the various perishables that originated in the various eastern states, determined just what the shipping points were, when the business moved, in Avhat volume—in fact, all pertinent information that a committee should possibly have in determining any re¬ sults, and so far as the New York situation in particular was concerned, I know that we gave that situation at¬ tention for days, and after determining just where that business principally was, where the icing stations were, charges were arrived at which, in the judgment of the committee were fair, and I know that every member of that committee made an honest effort to deal fairly with the interests that were involved; and while all of the members of the committee prior to the Government tak¬ ing over the railroads represented certain special rail¬ roads, it was, of course, generally understood in the com¬ mittee that all individual interests were to be lost sight of and the matter handled entirely from an administra¬ tive standpoint; that is, without regard to its possible effect on any individual line in the future. And as I say, Avhile I sat in with them and gave them the benefit of what experience I have had, it was with the distinct understanding that I would have no vote and could make no decision myself and my Avork was en¬ tirely in an advisory capacity. The committee realized fully, however, that this New York situation was different in some respects than that obtaining in other sections, and because of that and be- 408 cause of the fact that they were changing something that would affect a large volume of traffic, I know that they did the very best they could to deal fairly with the en¬ tire situation, and I think they have done so, although it is possible that some of these charges might he out of line, they might be in some cases low or they might in some cases be high. And I do not think any member of the committee would hesitate to recommend a change if it was felt apropos and frank discussion that they had made a mistake in their calculations. I certainly would not if I had a vote. And I want to say for the committee that there was no snap judgment taken. If there were any mistakes made they were made in good faith, and with the thought that they were doing what they should do as the committee. E. W. Rice. Lives in Chicago,—connected with Hygienic Ice Com¬ pany—prior to that was general freight agent of the American Eefrigerator Transit Company at St. Louis for nine years. Had charge of traffic and operation, handling perishable freight. (Tr., 7129.) This company served various railroads, the principal of which was the Wabash, Denver & Eio Grande, Inter¬ national Great Northern, Cotton Belt, Texas & Pacific, Kansas City Southern, S. A. U. & S. Also had traffia agreements with many eastern lines. Was a member of the committee which prepared the proposed tariff and worked out various charges and rules. Began this work in a small committee early in January, 1918, and con¬ tinued until May 1,1919. Was engaged on this proposed tariff for about one year and five months. The orig¬ inal committee had been working on refrigeration in general for the past eight or nine years, hut on January 409 1st (presumably 1918) they started off with a view of applying refrigeration charges; generally, then about' April 1, 1918, there was a committee appointed by the Eailroad Administration to take up the work and carry it on until this time. Commencing about April, 1918, this committee, composed of railroad men and refrigeration men from all over the United States, was organized and brought together at Chicago. The committee was di¬ vided in three sections, one for the territory north of the Ohio and Potomac and east of the Mississippi, an¬ other for the territory south of the Ohio and east of the Mississippi, and another for the rest of the country, largely west of the Mississippi. As stated refrigera¬ tion charges had been applied generally from all the ter¬ ritory west of the Mississippi south of the Ohio and east of the Mississippi, it was only a question of revising the charges and rules applying from that particular ter¬ ritory, but in the territory north of the Ohio and east of the Mississippi, with the exception of southern Illinois and part of Michigan and Maryland, some of the terri¬ tory covered by the Pennsylvania Eailroad and possibly one or two other exceptions, the practice and custom was the so-called cost of ice basis. (Tr., 7130-7131.) This committee developed the movement of various commodities, fruits and vegetables for this territory, the cost of ice, and attempted to work out the basis for a large part of the territory based on their experience in connection with other territories and the conditions as they showed up. That was not a difficult matter because the relation of refrigeration to commodities that were under consideration is practically the same in all terri¬ tories. It is only a question of applying service in other sections. Witness represented A. E. T. Company seven seasons in New York, and was located in Buffalo-Eoches- 410 ter territory. In addition to that he made visits to New York during the time the committee was in session, for the purpose of investigating conditions in that section in connection with this particular tariff. (Tr., 7132.) (By Mr. Younger) ; The members of the eastern com¬ mittee were Mr. McWilliams of the B. & 0., Mr. Horr of the NeAV York Central, Mr. Lantz of the Erie, Mr. Sam Parkhurst of the New York Central and Edward Elynn of the Grand Trunk. That was the subcommittee of the general committee Avho worked on refrigeration charges for Official Classification territory. It had the assistance of various representatives of other lines. In regard to the investigation which the committee made as to cost of refrigeration service to the shipper under the per ton of ice basis, as compared with the stated charges as pro¬ posed, the committee took representative stations and got the hills of lading, billing, and developed the icing in transit, the expense hills and took these items and con¬ solidated them and developed Avhat the expense had been, hut that expense only shows the cost of ice and only a partial cost of ice, and at that, only the price being charged by the railroad company, which did not any¬ where near represent the cost. They made up detailed figures as to the actual amounts that were paid by a num¬ ber of shippers under the per ton of ice basis. Did not pay a great deal of attention to those figures because they did not represent anything. In lots of cases where the shippers did their own icing they restricted the ad¬ ditional icing so that they did not ice to capacity. They restricted this icing sometimes to half the bunker ca¬ pacity and sometimes to two-thirds ; thus they would re¬ strict transit icings and the whole thing was so indefi¬ nite that there were no facts upon which exhibits could be based, such as Eraser's Exhibit No. 3. They did not 411 represent anytliing. Investigations were made of actual payments by shippers under the ton of ice basis. These investigations covered about 150 to 200 cars. (Tr., 7142- 7144.) Mr. McLaughlin was chairman of the general commit¬ tee. The witness Avas also a member. Witness did not mention any members of the general committee, but was asked about the subcommittee dealing Avith the eastern situation. Mr. McLaughlin dealt Avith the eastern situa¬ tion, also Mr. Beidelman and Mr. McPike. The members of the general committee had charge of the work, the subcommittee reported to them. The eastern section Avork Avas divided up. The Avitness was in New York State, Mr. Horr of the New York Central Avas in Ohio, Mr. Scott in Michigan and Maryland, Mr. Crow in south¬ ern Illinois, Mr. Cummin, who is now with the American Fruit and Vegetable Association, investigated the In¬ diana situation. Each state Avas looked after by some member. Witness handled Nbav York State. When wit¬ ness had worked several days, had had several New York Central men at Avork for two or three weeks and got his data together, covering about 150 to 200 cars, it gave so little information that he did not consider it of any value because it only showed partially the ice used and it did not represent the cost of the ice because the tariff price was applied. The ice is not the only item in the expense of refrigeration. It was not as a result of the investigation of these cars only that witness came to the conclusion that icing in western NeAV York was haphazard. He had known that from many years ex¬ perience prior to that time. Opinion is based upon com¬ ing into direct contact Avith such service and such results as have folloAved it. That opinion is based also upon the fact that in any territory Avhere the cost of ice basis ap- 412 plies, or in case of shippers icing, it results in a service that does not adequately and fully protect the property. It results in varying charges and the carriers supplying service and materials for which they do not get any pay, and the results generally obtained are adverse to not only the traffic but to all concerned. It did not take wit¬ ness long to be convinced that those conditions existed there the same as they had in every other territory that he had come in contact with where the same practice pre¬ vailed. Witness never knew of any case where shippers have had a stated refrigeration charge and wanted to return to cost per ton of ice basis. (Tr., 7149 to 7153.) It thus appears that as early as January, 1918, work was begun on the proposed tariff, and that from July, 1918, until the completed tariff was presented, in the latter part of May, 1919, to the Commission for its rec¬ ommendation and advice, the best refrigeration experts in the United States were studiously engaged in con¬ ducting investigations and in accumulating and co-or¬ dinating data and information to the end that they might present, as the fruits of their skill and their labor, a tariff which would be fair, both to the shippers and to the carriers. And notwithstanding the attacks which have been leveled at it by the shippers and their repre¬ sentatives, we confidently assert that the proposed tariff will stand as a lasting monument to the absolute impar¬ tiality and unquestioned skill of the men who compiled it. We come now to an analysis of the proposed stated charges for refrigeration, as set forth in Section 2 of the tariff". As heretofore stated the factors which form a com¬ ponent part of the stated charges are : 413 1. Cost of ice. 2. Ice haulage. 3. Switching. 4. Supervision. 5. Bunker damage. 6. Hazard and profit. The first five items have, in nearly all cases, been used by the Avitnesses in arriving at the cost of the service, as disclosed by their exhibits, or stated by them in their testimony. The item of hazard and profit has not been specifically included in the computations, but all of the carriers ' witnesses have been in accord upon the proposi¬ tion that such an item should properly be given consid¬ eration in arriving at the measure of a stated charge. No consideration was given to the expense of cleaning, which is a substantial item. This is evidenced by the testimony of L. S. West (Tr., 3043 to 3046, inc.) and by his Exhibit No. 1. All of the enumerated items, as such, have been approved by the Commission as properly to be allocated to the refrigeration service. As more or less criticism has been directed to these items, either as to the propriety of the items, as such, or as to their measure, we will discuss them in their order. COST OP ICE. This, of course, is one of the principal factors of ex¬ pense incident to refrigeration service. It therefore de¬ serves extended consideration. The hearings had not proceeded to any great length be¬ fore Examiner King, who joined us at Denver, announced that he had been selected by the Commission to assist Examiner Marshall in the analysis of cost exhibits. As stated by him at the New York hearing (Tr., 5957) : "We have had a number of exhibits pertaining to the cost of refrigeration service for carload shipments moving un- 414 der a stated refrigeration charge. The data furnished was not altogether satisfactory, in that it was lacking in certain details which were thought to he essential. The carriers have heen requested to furnish additional de¬ tails, and that is now heing prepared, and I understand Avill be furnished during the course of the hearings." (Tr., 5957.) The data to which Examiner King referred consisted of the details of the ice cost exhibits submitted by the carriers. These had heen submitted in general form, without any accompanying details exhibiting the factors forming the basis of the ultimate figures. These details have all heen furnished and are in the record. In this connection attention is directed to the fact that on June 23, 1919, a printed memorandum, prepared by counsel in this case, with the assistance of those who were most familiar with the subject, was distributed among the car¬ riers and car lines, and those who might become witnesses in the case, in which memorandum appeared the follow¬ ing relating to ice and salt costs: "Kote: To the end that there may he uniformity in the computation of the cost of ice or salt in bunk¬ ers, the following Avas adopted at the conference as a fairly accurate statement of the factors which should enter into such cost : Ice. (a) Cost of cleaning and preparing ice house pre¬ paratory to storing ice. (b) Cost of ice per ton f. o. h. point of produc¬ tion. (c) Freight charge at commercial rate from point of production to ice house except for transportation over company line, in which event company ma¬ terial rate for that portion of the haul should he charged. (d) Expense of spotting cars at ice house for storage. (e) Labor placing ice in ice house for storage. 415 (f) Expense for straw or other packing material, if any. (g) Expense for labor caring for ice, taking ont of ice and placing in bunkers of cars, including crush¬ ing and tamping. (h) Shrinkage of ice. (i) Interest on investment, less depreciation. (j) Taxes and insurance on ice house equipment and contents. (k) Depreciation on plant. (1) Repairs to plant. (m) Expense supervision ice house and labor, including clerical help, stationery, tools, etc. (n) Expense of light, power, telephone, water, hose, etc., and (o) Expense of labor, materials, etc., in manu¬ facture of ice Avhere own plant manufactures ice. Salt. (a) Statement should be predicated on cost of salt per ton (and per carload if readily available) f. 0. b. cars point of shipment. (b) Commercial freight rate on salt in carloads (and less than carloads if any purchased in 1. c. 1. quantities) and the carload minimum weight, from production point to each icing station, using com¬ pany material rate OA^r own line. (c) Cost of labor unloading salt into storage facility. (d) Cost of labor handling salt from storage facility to bunkers of cars. (e) Interest on storage facility, less depreciation. (f) Depreciation on storage facility. Note: Each car line or railroad company oper¬ ating refrigeration serAuce can determine for itself whether or not all of the items shown as going to make up the cost of ice or salt placed in the bunkers are applicable to its situation and whether or not any legitimate items have been omitted. Doubtful items should not be included." It will be noted the company material rate was to be liarged aa'here the haul was OA-'er the carriers' OAvn line Item (c)) and that "doubtful items should not be in- 416 eluded." It should also be observed that no item for profit is included. It must be admitted that, as to some of the exhibits at least, the figures for ice costs may be slightly in ex¬ cess of the actual costs, due to the fact that in some in¬ stances no credit has been given for such ice, if any, as remained on band at the end of the season covered by the exhibits, but the difference would practically be negli¬ gible, and would not, to any appreciable extent, militate against the accuracy of our showing as to the cost of the refrigeration service. Other than this suggested inaccuracy in our ice cost exhibits, no fault has been found by Examiner King Avitb respect to any of the de¬ tails furnished or as to any of the factors used. In arriving at the charges in the proposed tariff the ice costs in July, 1918, or earlier, were used by the com¬ mittee, while, in justifying the proposed charges, 1919 costs were sometimes used, 1918 costs at other times, and in some instances the exhibits showed the result of using both 1918 and 1919 ice costs. A great deal of criticism has been directed to the proposition that 1919 ice costs are abnormal, but no one with the exception of one witness, had the temerity to venture what the reduc¬ tion, if any, Avould be in the future,-nor when such reduc¬ tion might be expected. It was also admitted that the item of labor enters largely into the cost of ice, and that there was no immediate hope of a reduction in that item. We are neither prepared to admit that 1919 ice costs are abnormal, as compared with Avhat they will be next year, or the year after, nor do we subscribe to the doctrine that stated refrigeration charges should be based upon any cost other than that noAV being paid by the carriers. If, perchance, the future should bring forth a reduction in cost of ice, it will then be time enough to ásk that the 417 carriers defend their charges upon the then current price of ice. It will he admitted that a merchant should not be askèd to base his charges upon reduced prices which his patrons venture to suggest he may have to pay for his stock the next year, or the year after, or what he paid last year, or the year before, or during what might be called "normal times." No more should a carrier be called upon to base refrigeration charges upon what its patrons hazard a guess will be the cost of ice next year, or the year after, or what it paid last year, or the year before, or during what might be called "normal times." Carriers, as well as merchants, are living in the present, and not in the past or the future, and, if their revenues are not based upon sound business principles, they may not be living when the future becomes the present. Nor does it follow that the 1919 costs, where that basis was used, represent abnormal figures, either as compared with 1918 costs, or so-called normal costs. As stated by the witness, George H. Nelson, manager of the Santa Fe Eefrigerator Despatch: "We have contracts at practically every point where we secure ice and these contracts were made prior to the time that there was a shortage in the ice crop even con¬ templated. Some of our contracts for 1919 are ten years old. As to those there would not be any difference now than it was in 1918." (Tr., 8158.) "The contract at Newton has been advanced from $2.50 to $3.25, and that advance was made in 1918, but it was not on account of any emergency at the present time. It was on account of the increased costs of labor and ma¬ terial since the war or during the war." (Tr., 8159.) "I will not admit that the cost price now is abnormal and the figures here are based on that abnormal price. I will admit the prices are abnormal, but I will not admit 418 the figures are based on that abnormal price. I am not saying- that the 1919 prices in the open market are not abnormal. I am stating that the exhibits were made on 1919 prices to the Santa Fe." (Tr., 8158-60.) Nelson's Exhibit No. 7 shoAvs, for instance, that at all of the Santa Fe icing stations the cost of ice was the same in 1918 as in 1919, except that at San Bernardino—its largest icing plant—the cost in 1918 was $5.04, as against $3 per ton in 1919 ; at Winslow it was $3.77 in 1918 and $5.50 in 1919; at Clovis it was $3.85 in 1918 and $4.28 in 1919; at Waynoka, $3.50 in 1918 and $4.15 in 1919; at Corwith, $3.31 in 1918 and $5.54 in 1919. Witness George H. Nelson: "The increased prices of 1918 over 1917 at Argentine, Waynoka, Bakersfield and Fresno are due to an arbi¬ trary increase to keep the ice companies from going broke." (Tr., 108.) R. C. Dearborn's Exhibit No. 5 shows that tEere are ten icing stations where the 1919 ice costs are less than they were in 1918, nine Avhere the costs for the two years are the same, five where the increase is less than ten cents a ton, twenty-one Avhere the increased cost ranges from ten to less than fifty cents a ton, five where the in¬ crease is just fifty cents a ton, four where the increase is in excess of one dollar a ton, and the balance show an increase in cost of betAveen fifty cents and one dollar a ton. And the station Avhere increases in excess of one dollar a ton are shoAvn are comparatively unimportant icing stations. Thus the 1918 tonnage of ice used and increases in ice costs betAveen 1918 and 1919 at the four stations men¬ tioned are as follows: 419 Station Oakland, Cal. Pórtela, Cal. Ice 1918 Cost 1919 Cost Tonnage Per Ton Per Ton 2223 tons $2.88 $4.50 83.65 2.25 4.25 Santa Barbara, Cal. 967.92 6.15 8.50 Spokane, AVasli. 1312.15 3.22 4.23 Compare this with the tonnage at Trnckee, California, where the ice used in 1918 was 30,005.6 tons and the ice cost was about ten cents less a ton in 1919 than in 1918 : Tucson, Arizona, ice tonnage, 20,245.16 tons; 1918 ice costs $4.1939; 1919, $4.70 a ton; Eoseville, California, ice tonnage, 100,306.44 tons, ice costs, 1917, $3.38; 1918, $3.28, and 1919, $3.20. There are other instances where increases or decreases may be shown, but on a weighted average the increase in cost per ton of ice to the Pacific Fruit Express will be very little for the year 1919 over 1918. These illustrations are given because the Santa Fe Ke- frigerator Despatch, formerly serving the Santa Fe (and now a department of that railroad) and the Pacific Fruit Express, serving the Southern Pacific, the Union Pacific, the Salt Lake, and the Western Pacific railroads, are typical of the situation reflected by the ice cost exhibits in this case, particularly with respect to transcontinental hauls. It may be true that other carriers or car lines show greater increases in ice costs for 1919 over 1918, but the fact remains that it is costing those carriers or car lines 1919 prices, and it is by those that they must survive or perish. Thus, on the Northern Pacific Rail¬ road, according to Mer ritt's Exhibit No. 6, which gave the figures upon which his other exhibits were based, the increase in ice costs per ton, for the year 1919 over 1918, ranged from 63 cents per ton at St. Paul to $3.96 per ton at Helena; on the other hand there were reductions 420 ranging from 41 cents a ton at Yakima to $3.55 per ton at Ellensburg. The Avitness H. A. Huber, in computing the cost of refrigeration service on the ice costs shoAvn in his Ex¬ hibits 8 and 9, testified the cost figures shown on those exhibits are in very many cases too low. (Tr., 8249- 8251-8253-4.) E. E. Betts: It is only natural to presume that the price paid this year in the Chicago locality, at least, is excessive as compared with the general average of years, but if these prices have to be paid by the carriers then the amount they are asking in the tariff is far too small, because the carriers could not operate and provide the service for the prices proposed in the tariff. (Tr., 3968.) John B. Scott: This witness testified that in making up his exhibits showing cost of refrigeration service from Florida, he used the figure of $4.50 a ton. He then detailed all of the icing stations used by the Fruit Growers Express in the territory south of the Potomac and Ohio, and stated the actual costs of ice at those stations. He then stated that at all icing stations north of the Potomac in Official Classification territory, except certain river stations, he paid $4 a ton, which is the tariff price. Then followed this testimony: The costs I have given are for 1919, with this excep¬ tion. The prices we have given are the prices that we are now paying. For example, at Sanford during the season just passed, we paid $4.32. The contract that I have just closed and Avhich is now in effect is $5 per ton at that point. (Tr., 7617-7618.) That is with the South¬ ern Utilities Company. 421 Q. (By Mr. Westlake) ; Well, taking it by and large, is there any material difference between the ice prices you are now paying at those points and those that you had to pay during the current year's business or cur¬ rent season's business? A. With a few exceptions the prices I have given are the prices that we actually paid at these stations on all this Florida business, and the exceptions are Sanford, Miami, Fort Lauderdale, West Palm Beach, Okeechobee, Palatka, Lakeland, Ft. Myers, Arcadia, Punta Gorda. Those contracts are all with the Southern Utilities Company, and I have just negotiated agreements at those points contemplating |5 ice over the ■ old prices of approximately $4.37 or $4.38. Q. Having in mind all of these ice prices which you have read and the icing stations at which shipments moving to New York would be iced, and the respective tonnages used at those icing points, would you say that $4.50 which you have used in your illustration is a fair figure? A. It is fair to the" shippers and unfair to us and the Administration or whoever handles the business, because the ice is costing us more than an average of $4.50 and for the approaching season I will be very well satisfied if Ave can hold it down to an average of $5. Q. The reason I asked you that question was that AAdien you first commenced reading your figures you had several of them lower than $4.50 and I did not know what were the respective tonnages of ice that you used at the various points. A. For example, we purchased 50,000 tons or will purchase this season from the Southern Utili¬ ties Company in Florida and we Avill pay $5 a ton for all that ice. Sanford is our biggest icing station, and we will pay $5 per ton for that ice. (Tr., 7619.) 422 Q. We are paying it right noAV if we have any busi¬ ness. We will have business probably within 30 or 40 days and the price will then commence. But in addition to that I have the figures of the ice company and they are asking me to give them $40,000 to help them out for losses during the past season. I have so far withheld decision on it, but I do not know what we will do, but they said if we did not help them out to the extent of approximately $40,000 and make them a substantial in¬ crease in our price for the approaching season that there would be nothing left for them to do but to go in the hands of a receiver, and, of course, that would mean no ice. We could not let that condition happen of course. That is at Sanford, Lakeland, our biggest icing points. In other Avords, AAm bought 44,000 tons of ice from the Southern Utilities Company in Florida last season. That is operated by the J. G. White Management Corporation of New York. It is not the Atlantic Ice & Coal Corpora¬ tion, of which I spoke a little while ago. All the business they do is furnishing ice to us and to the trade. They are in the ice business pure and simple. (Tr., 7620.) All ice that we buy from the Southern Utilities Co., and we buy most all our railroad ice from them, is bought on the basis of a price f. o. b. bunkers, $5 per ton in the season uoav approaching. (Tr., 7621.) But those agree¬ ments further provide that they will not guarantee to take care of our requirements but will simply give us a guaranteed tonnage per day from their ice manufactur¬ ing plants at all these different points and all of the ice they can store in their storage. If that is not enough we have to go on the outside and get it. And Avhen I reached that agreement I knoAV we would have to get at least 11,000 tons the coming season, based on an average move¬ ment. (Tr., 7621.) That agreement covers 1919-20 only; that is, the approaching season. 423 Q. It is a general contract, is it, or is it a matter of con¬ tracting at each point where the ice is furnished? A. We are in this position. We have a contract with the South¬ ern Utilities Company Avhich was made before the war and I belieA'e has about three years to run; it runs until September 1, 1923. The ice company came to us last year and told us that obviously they could not operate under the prices stipulated in that contract as the con¬ tract was made before the war, and certainly not with any idea that the war would affect the situation to the extent that it did, and we alloAved them a bonus during the current season of 25 per cent OA^r the contract price. At all other points aa^here Ave have contracts with them the contracts provide or rather, a side agreement en¬ tered into at the same time the contracts were entered into proAuded that on or before September 15th of each year Ave Avould get together and undertake to agree on what Avould be a fair price for the ensuing year, and in accordance Avith that agreement is AAUy I made this trade in Ncav York the other day that I did. (Tr., 7621-7622.) E. SuDENDORF, an ice manufacturer at Clinton, Illinois, Avas called to the stand by Mr.-Barry Gilbert, attorney for some of the shippers appearing as protestants in this proceeding, and testified in substance as folloAVS: Has a xfiant making from 35 to 40' tons, average about 35 tons a day. Ices cars at that point for the Illi¬ nois Central, from 500 to 2,000 cars a year according to season and according to amount of ice they have to spare. Averages about 1,000 cars a year. Sells ice to Illinois Central at $5 a ton for icing in the daytime and adds 50c a ton for night icing. The current year has been a normal one for ice except with respect to natural ice. There has been more ice manufactured this year than in any previous year. Not a normal year for the 424 production of natural ice. No previous years like it in that respect within witness' experience. In previous years he charged the Illinois Central for the first half of last year up to August |4 a ton and after that $5 a ton. Before that he got $3.50 a ton for daytime work. In 1917 the price Avas $3.50 until the fall or about August; then they got $4. Could manufacture ice more cheaply if the plant was enlarged. Overhea'd costs more in small plant than in large plant. Does not anticipate increase in the price this year. They charge retailer all the way from $5 to $11 a ton, and 55c per 100 for ice to families, de¬ livered. Cheapest icing they do is for the railroad. Can afford to do it because it is good business; they do not have to cut up chunks. There is a fair profit in the present price to railroads. Does not come in competition with other plants because business is local. (Tr., 4777 to 4779.) One hundred pounds of natural ice melts quicker than 100 pounds of artificial ice. Witness' ice plant at Clin¬ ton is right in the railroad yards with a sidetrack at the plant where the cars are switched and trains made up. Ice is moved out of the storage house up an incline to the icing platform by electric motor. Plant and facili¬ ties are OAvned by witness' company, which operates the facilities. These facilities are put up to obtain the rail¬ road's icing business. Used to have a contract, but re¬ fused to contract with the railroad for the last three years for the reason that, especially since the govern¬ ment has taken over the roads, the contracts proposed made the icing company assume all liability for proper icing. If a car gets Avarm and any damage results, the ice company Avould haAm to defend the suit. Sells Illi¬ nois Central from 1,500 to 3,000 tons a year. Has prob¬ ably sold 1,500 tons already this year and could have 425 sold more if he had it. Had to refuse a great deal of business on account of having to take care of home re¬ quirements. Has refused to ice a good many cars on account of shortage of ice. Eailroad would have used more ice if it could have gotten it. Not able to ice all the cars they were asked to this year. Ordinarily they are able to do so. Cars which they are unable to ice have to move to another icing station, usually the next one. They give a car enough to carry it to the next station, but not all the railroad wants. (Tr., 4783 to 4786.) Illinois Central relies upon witness' plant at Clinton and has no ice house there, but witness maintains an ice house for them. Sells ice to railroad at same price as he charges others in carloads. The price to the Illinois Central includes putting ice in bunkers. Has nothing to do with cleaning out bunkers or drains; the railroad does that. The railroad has an inspector that sees they get proper quantity of ice and that the ice is put in right. Eailroad supervises icing of cars. The supervision con¬ tinues whether the icing is done in the day or night. Ice is charged for on the basis of 300 pounds per cake. Icing of cars is done by machinery operated by electric motor. They have all the latest appliances which save labor. (Tr., 4780 to 4783.) For such perishable freight as butter, eggs, peaches and meat, they ice all the cars that come, but as to extra icing—such as for bananas, which are usually not iced at Clinton, this year the railroad desired them iced there; because of a shortage of ice elsewhere, they have merely iced these cars sufficiently to get them to the next point. In that case two icings are given instead of one, a partial icing at the witness' plant and a complete icing at the point whore the railroad can find ice. The railroad pays witness only for what is put in. Witness' plant is suffi- 426. cient to supply the Illinois Central with all its require¬ ments if the entire output is devoted to that purpose. In some years they Avould have more than enough ice for that purpose. Natural ice melts quicker than artificial ice. Witness said earlier that artificial ice melts quicker. He desires here to correct that statement, as the con¬ verse is true. (Tr., 4786-7.) Witness' firm refused to sign contract with the rail¬ road company because it wanted to avoid responsibility for the efficiency of the icing. Carrier now assumes that responsibility both as to efficiency and adequacy of the icing and for safe transportation of the commodity un¬ der refrigeration. Considers this a serious hazard to assume. Value of the commodity in the car is usually high. The railroad can control the cars to see that they are kept properly iced. (Tr., 4788-9.) Contract proposed by the railroad called upon the icing company to defend claims for damage arising from insufficient icing. It did not limit this obligation to icing at that plant, but witness would not have signed it if it had, because the railroad has an inspector to see that cars are iced properly. Witness corrects the statement that he has not had a contract for the last three years and now limits it to two years. (Tr., 4790.) John P. Boyle. In connection with ice costs it is interesting to note the testimony of John P. Boyle, at 136 West Lake steet, Chicago, in the business of manufacturing and deliver¬ ing ice. His testimony Avas in substance as follows: AVas requested by Attorney Barry Gilbert to testify but declined to do so, except upon request of the Com¬ mission, Avhich Avas made through Examiner Marshall. 427 There is a national ice dealers' association called The National Association of Ice Industries. It consists of about 700 members located all over the United States. (Tr., 4818-19.) As secretary of that organization I keep its records and call the meetings, etc. I am kept in close touch with the ice industry of the United States. (Tr., 4819.) We have one director from Boäton, two from New York, one from Atlanta, Georgia, one from New Orleans, one from Pittsburgh, one from Cleveland, one from Detroit, two from Chicago, one from Kansas City, one from Greeley, Colorado, one from Dallas, Texas, and one from Los Angeles. There is a general attendance of these directors at our meetings at which there are dis¬ cussions of the conditions surrounding the ice industry, not so much as to costs as with respect to the general conditions of the business. We in a measure keep posted on what prices ice is selling for all over the country. (Tr., 4820.) I have been to New York, Pittsburgh, Cleveland, Min¬ neapolis, St. Louis, Duluth, Mihvaukee and Kansas City in the last six months and am naturally kept acquainted with ice prices. (Tr., 4821.) I consider myself an expert on the subject of ice. (Tr., 4822-3.) The current year has seen the shortest crop of natural ice in the history of the business, I believe. The shortage in Chicago of natural ice of 1,800,000 tons has naturally affected the price of ice this current year. (Tr., 4823.) It would also affect the price of natural ice to the extent that the artificial supplies were drawn on, where hereto¬ fore they have not been. The total output of Chicago in ice, natural and artificial, is 2,150,000 tons. The actual shortage, loaded on cars, would run perhaps ten per cent less than that. (Tr., 4824.) For instance, the Hudson River—they did not cut a 428 pound of ice on it, where normally they put up 2,000,000 tons a year. The same condition exists in a belt reach¬ ing across the country north, I Avould say—taking in Philadelphia and New York, part of Connecticut, north¬ ern Ohio, southern Michigan, across to Chicago, Wiscon¬ sin, Iowa and Kansas, until you get up into the mountains there, where they had their regular crop, but it is a belt right across the country from there north, where the har¬ vest was very short last year. Take 150 miles south of Chicago, it was not atfected, because they do not depend on natural ice anyway, except to this extent, that the shortage through all of these points—as a matter of fact, St. Louis has been shipping to Chicago from 20 to 30 cars a day ; something heretofore miknown. Q. Is the ordinary movement in the other direction! A. Well, not in the last three or four years, because they have sufficient manufacturing capacity there to take care of themselves, unless we might get an abnormal two or three hot weeks and we might help them out temporarily, but as a matter of fact, Cincinnati is shipping ice to Cleveland. Last week Cincinnati shipped 84 cars to Cleveland, to one company. Indianapolis and Springfield, Illinois, are shipping ice up here. I got ice last week from Evansville, Indiana. That is something unknown heretofore. (Tr., 4825.) The prices in 1919 are 33-J per cent higher than in 1918 at Chicago; New York and Cleveland not over 15 or 20 per cent. New York compared with 1917, about 40 per cent. (Tr., 4826.) Boston, Jersey City, Philadelphia, Cleveland, New York, Detroit, Chicago, Milwaukee, St. Paul and Minneapolis, about the same; and as far west as Kansas City. Prom there west, when you get up into the mountains, they are pretty sure of the crop, and I don't know as there was much variance in price, except brought about by the increased cost of labor. Cincinnati and 429 points south of there the prices would be perhaps 15 or 20 per cent higher. The higher prices in 1918 over 1917 were due to war conditions, shortage of fuel and the in¬ creased cost of labor. (Tr., 4827.) In 1920 prices should go hack at least 20, if not 25, per cent from the present level. (Tr., 4828.) I would be tickled to death to make a contract with the railroads for ten years at $4.50 a ton in the bunkers, of not less than 40,000 tons at a given point. (Tr., 4829.) The prices per ton for ice quoted in May, 1919, were: Boise, Idaho, $3. Danville, 111., $5. Du Quoin, Ilk, $4. Mounds, 111., $5. Quincy, 111., |6. Des Moines, la., $6. Danville, Ky., $5. Louisville, Ky., $6. New Orleans, from the platform $6; $6.50 where they have to use wagons. They have icing platforms. Baltimore, Md., wagons, $5; platform, $4. Boston, Mass., wagon, $5. Grand Rapids, Mich., $4.50. Minneapolis, Minn., $4. Columbus, Miss., $6.50. Springfield, Mo., platform, $4; wagons, $6. St. Louis, Mo., wagons, $5 ; platform, $4.50. Rochester, New York, platform, $5. Wilmington, North Carolina, platform, $4.50. Cleveland, Ohio, wagons, $6. In Cleveland I know that they are icing for less than that on contracts. Toledo, Ohio, wagons, $6. Colorado Springs, $6. Springfield, 111., $6. 430 Elkhart, Indiana, |6. Dubnque, Iowa, $7. Salina, Kansas, by wagon, $5. Bangor, Maine, by wagon, |5. Columbus, Mo., $7. Lincoln, Nebr., $4.50. Atlantic City, New Jersey, $8. Buffalo, New York, platform, $4; wagon, $5. Cincinnati, platform, $5; wagon, $6. Janesville, Wis., $4. Little Eock, Arkansas, bas made a contract to supply the railroad there at $4.50. There is where I happened to get information. Siloam Springs, Arkansas, $5. Dover, Delaware, $6. Jacksonville, Florida, $5. Atlanta, Georgia, has 38 plants in 21 cities, and their price is $5. You will notice that in the south the price is not as high as it is where there was all natural ice. Q. (By Mr. Gilbert) : They are more uniform down there? A. Yes, sir. Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania, $6. Washington, Pennsylvania, $6. El Paso, Texas, $5. (Tr., 4840-41.) If a man made a contract for a quantity, those prices would he shaded. I couldn't tell how much. That de¬ pends on the necessities of the shipper. (Tr., 4842.) Q. (By Examiner Marshall) : Based upon the cost at the present time, do you think the carriers can furnish ice at $4 a ton? A. I do not. Q. If they had furnished it at that price, do you think they are making any profit, or losing on it? A. I think that they are not making any money. Q. (By Mr. Sternhagen) : Could you say that with 431 respect to last year, Mr. Boyle? A. I don't think they would have made any money last year on that basis." (Tr., 4846.) I would not care to supply ice to the carrier at $4 a ton in the bunkers under normal conditions. (Tr., 4847.' ) On a long time contract a railroad can buy ice at less than |4 in a normal year. (Tr., 4848.) I would be very glad to take a contract to-day from a railroad that would give me an icing station where they would agree to take 40,000 tons, and I could take on a contract at about $3.75. (Tr., 4848.) Under normal conditions I think a $4 charge would be a very fair price for the railroads to charge where the railroads store their own ice direct from the water in the harvesting season. With no transportation $3 would be a fair price and allow a good profit. (Tr., 4850.) I recognize that Avhen a railroad assumes the obliga¬ tion of icing cars it has a certain responsibility and haz¬ ard going with the commodity that is in the car. It is the exception when the lake or source of ice supply is con¬ veniently located so that the carriers can get the ice di¬ rect. (Tr., 4851.) No ice can be bought in any quantity in Chicago now. (Tr., 4852.) Ice should be delivered at Chicago for $7. I do not know whether or not any one did actually quote a price of $6 in Chicago last May. (Tr., 4854.) A $6 quotation in Chicago would not in any sense be a yearly quotation which could bo relied on. (Tr., 4855.) I did not quote that price of $6 to any customer in Chi¬ cago this year. (Tr., 4857.) In Chicago the normal shrinkage on 40,000 tons of ice would be about 10 per cent. (Tr., 4858.) I should think the shrinkage along the line of tlic Great Northern and 432 Northern Pacific would be less than at Chicago. The shrinkage would depend upon how often you open your ice house and what quantities you take out at a time. (Tr., 4859.) Blue Island is the only station of which I haye any knowledge where they open it up and use as much ice as a wholesaler. (Tr., 4861.) If you had to store arti¬ ficial ice without refrigeration it would be murder. It would not keep at all. (Tr., 4862.) There is no difference in the expense of icing cars with crushed ice or chunk ice. (Tr., 4863.) Q. (By Mr. Gilbert) : To get a normal 1917 figure, is it correct to say that in general you would take off 33J per cent? A. You will never get a normal 1917 figure until you get labor down again and everything that en¬ ters into the cost of manufacturing. (Tr., 4865.) The bare cost of cutting ice and putting it into the ware¬ house is 40 cents a ton. If you are going to figure cost on your investment and depreciation and all of those things that enter into it, why it is a different figure. (Tr., 4867.) It must be borne in mind that carriers are obligated to provide maximum tonnage of ice to adequately take care of the maximum crop movement. This often results in the storing of a greater supply of ice than is needed, due to failure of crops or other conditions which cannot be anticipated, and a consequent loss by meltage after the close of the season. It also frequently happens that there will be an unprecedented production of perishables with the result that the carriers' ice supply is inade¬ quate, necessitating the hauling of ice from great dis¬ tances, with its attendant expense. Consideration should also be given to the fact that carriers cannot be expected to erect expensive ice storage houses, or ice manufactur- 433 ing plants, at any considerable number of their stations to take care of the short season business there handled. This means that ice must be hauled to these stations. Xor should rve overlook the fact that the sources of ice supply are, as a rule, located considerable distances from the icing stations. And no proper comparison can be made between the cost of ice to the packer, for instance, whose requirements at a given plant run up into the thou¬ sands of tons a year, and w^hose refrigerated business is continuous throughout the year, and the cost to the car¬ rier at the average icing station, where the ice tonnage is a few hundreds or four or five thousand, and the sea¬ son is short, and the ice haulage is an important factor, and the overhead expense great in proportion to the ice tonnage. Such comparisons are unfair, and of no im¬ portance in determining the proper cost of ice to the carrier. As heretofore stated, the carrier, in computing the cost of ice in the bunkers, used the company material rate for hauling the ice over their own lines. This is much less than the actual cost, as the company material rate used, in most instances at least, was the figure adopted by the respective carriers several years ago. The excep¬ tion was that the witness E. E. Betts, superintendent of transportation of the C. & N. ^Y. E. E. used 6 mills per ton per mile, but this figure was amply justified by the testimony of C. F. Balch, statistician for the same rail¬ road. (Balch Exhibit No. 1—Tr., 5600-5601.) The fig¬ ure of six mills did not include anything for the use of the property. (Tr., 5607.) From what has been heretofore stated we think it neces¬ sarily follows that the ice cost figures submitted by the carriers herein have been fully justified; that those fig¬ ures for 1919 do not differ greatly from those for 1918; that we will never have "normal 1917 figures" again 434 until labor costs and other items of expense are reduced to their former level—which is in the very remote fu¬ ture; and that the carriers should he permitted to jus¬ tify their proposed charges on the 1919 costs, though in many instances they have done so on the 1918 basis. For convenient reference the following is a list of the ice costs exhibits submitted by the carriers in this pro¬ ceeding: Summary. Cost Per Ton of Ice in Bunkers of Refrigerator Cars. H. A. Huber 8. C. R. I. & P. R. R.—^natural ice years 1918 and 1919 no tonnage or details shown. H. A. Huber 18. C. R. I. & P. R. R.—^natural ice years 1918-1919 shows tonnage but no detail except at To- peka, Kan., and Dalhart, Texas. H. A. Huber 9. C. R. I. &, P. R. R.—artificial ice 1918- 1919 no tonnage (details not necessary as contract price includes placing in bunkers). H. A. Huber 19. C. R. I & P. R. R.—artificial ice 1918- 1919 shows tonnage. Kentfield 5 and 8. Principal New England lines—1918- 1919 shows tonnage and details. Kerr 1. Southern R. R.^—^year 1919—shows tonnage (no details necessary as all contract ice). Kerr 2. A. C. L. R. R. year 1919—shows tonnage (no details necessary as all contract ice). Kerr 3. Principal Southeastern and Carolina lines 1919 no tonnage or details [contracts). McPike 112. Southern and Eastern lines, Illinois Central R. R. years 1918-1919 tonnage and details shown. 435 McPike 113. North and west lines 111. Cent, years 1918- 1919—tonnage and details shown. Merritt 6. Nor. Pac. E. R.—^years 1918-1919 shows ton¬ nage, no details. Merritt 56. Nor. Pac. E. E.—^year 1918—tonnage and details sho^vn. Bagent 13. St. L. & S. F. E. E.—costs for 1917-1918-19— shows tonnage for 1918—no details. Beidelman 3. Grt. Northern E. E.—^years 1918-1919— tonnage shown. Beidelman 14. Grt. Northern E. E.—year 1918,—shows tonnage and details. Brooke 5. C. F. A. territory—1918-1919^—shows tonnage; details furnished Commission. Cleave 6-A. Trunk Line territory—1918-1919—shows tonnage and details. Crowe 1. Waterloo, Centralia & Freeport, la., shows tonnage and details. Dearborn 5. Contracted lines P. F. E.—1916 to 1919, inc.,—show^s tonnage no details. Weston 4. Contracted lines P. F. E.—1916 to 1918— shows tonnage and details. Nelson 7. Santa Fe years 1915 to 1919, Inc. No details. Gorman 1.. D. & E. G. E. E.—1917-1918-1919—shows no tonnage, some details. Gorman 3. Kan. City, Hoisington, Coffeville, Cotter, Mc- Ghee and Paragould 1917, 1918, 1919, show^s no ton¬ nage, some details. Gorman 36. Stations in Missouri, Arkansas, Louisiana, Oklahoma, Tennessee and Texas, year 1919, shows tonnage and details. 436 Gorman 37. Tex. & Pac. E. E., Jan. to July 1919, shows tonnage and details. Gorman 38. Kansas City—1918 and 1919 (6 Mo.), shows tonnage and details. Gorman 39. Hoisington, Kan., 1918 and 1919 (6 Mo.), shows tonnage and details. Gorman 40. D. & E. G. E. E., 1918 and 1919 (6 Mo.), shows tonnage and details. ICE HAULAGE. That this item is properly chargeable against refrig¬ eration service is now beyond doubt. The pioneer case upon the question is the Arlington Heights Case, 20 I. C. C., 106, from page 109 of which we have heretofore quoted. Following that have been several other cases decided by the Commission, from which quotations have also been made. In that case, as we read it, the Commis¬ sion allowed $20 for an average haul of 8,000 pounds of ice for a distance of 2,164 miles. This is more than one cent per 100 pounds per 100 miles. There has been some doubt created by Attorney Lamb as to whether or not the allowance of $20 was for 2,164 miles or some greater distance. As a foundation for his argument Mr. Lamb has filed herein "Santa Fe Exhibit 18," originally intro¬ duced in the Arlington Heights case, and Mr. Peabody's testimony relating thereto. Mr. Peabody testified that the average haul was 1,999 miles and Santa Fe Exhibit 18 shows that the cost of hauling four tons of ice that distance was $18.09. Applying these figures to a haul of 2,164 miles, we find the resulting figure to be $19.58, as against tlie amount allowed by the Commission of $20. Later on, in the Deciduous Fruit Case, 32 I. C. C., 26, the Commission allowed $22.50 per car for haulage of 437 average weight of ice of 9,000 pounds, from Sacramento to Chicago, a distance of approximately 2,175 miles. It is apparent that the Commission disregarded the slight dif¬ ference between 2,164 and 2,175 miles, and simply multi¬ plied $20 by 9/8ths (9,000 to 8,000 pounds of ice) and arrived at the figure of $22.50. The Arlington Heights case Avas decided January 14, 1911, and the Deciduous Fruit case in 1914. In the preparation of the various exhibits in this case the witnesses, almost Avithout exception, have used the figure of one cent per one hundred pounds per one hun¬ dred miles (Avhich is less than the Commission basis), or have used the exact Commission basis. Either basis Avas thought to be Ioav at the present time. Some of the reasons advanced for that opinion are set forth in the testimony. For instance : George II. Nelson : Exhibits are based on haulage of ice as allowed by tlie Commission in Arlington Heights case, 3,000 ; has taken a rate of actual mileage to 2,164 miles and amount of ice continuously in the bunkers as a basis. In the founda¬ tion used in basing freight rates they made greater rate for a shorter distance than for a longer distance; Avhere used for haulage of ice the rate would increase propor¬ tionately for short-haul business. Further it probably costs more to haul ice to-day than in 1910, and the rate for ice haulage, as used by carriers, is too low. (Tr., 1774.) A. F. Cleveland : Assistant general freight agent of the Chicago & North Western Eailroad for approximately 22 years (Tr., 4176), used both Commission basis and actual cost basis of 7.31 mills per ton per mile. (Tr., 4177.) 438 C. F. Balch : Statistician of the C, & N. W. R. R., testified that the cost per gross ton mile was six mills (Tr., 5598 to 5600), which did not include anything for the use of the prop¬ erty. (Tr., 5607.) His exhibit was based on the months of April, May and June, 1919. Among the shippers' witnesses who testified on the measure of the ice hauling charge were the following: E. G. Dezell: Assistant manager of the California Fruit Growers Exchange. Q. If it is from the decision, the decision will speak for itself, and we can argue that subsequently. (Tr., 923.) Q. And where we are endeavoring to get at the proper measure of the factors, which we have used, we could very fairly, could we not, have increased the rate which the Commission allowed us for the haulage of the ice. A. Yes; but as to the extent, we probably would not agree on that. Q. We might differ as to the extent, but I am trying to get from you whether or not you think we have not been very fair in adopting what we conceive to be the basis used by the Commission. A. I don't think that that is the correct basis that they have used, hut I will say that tliere is no question in my mind that the hauling of ice costs more to-day than it did at that time—cost somebody more. (Tr., 2924.) L. F. Berry: Traffic manager of Reid-Murdock & Co. Referring to the cost of haulage of ice as between car¬ riers, some of the carriers have a tariff on the basis of six mills per ton per mile. For instance, the Chicago and 439 North Western Eailway. That is for hauling material of all kinds, ice or anything else, that is hauled by the railroad, also between the North Western and the Chi¬ cago, St. Paul, Minneapolis and Omaha Eailway. (Tr., 9073-9074.) If there was added to that the profit using ah operating ratio of say 55f per cent, which is the normal or might be considered below normal at the present time, yon would have nine mills per ton per mile. (Tr., 9074.) I would figure that nine mills per ton per mile is a reasonable charge on the haulage for ice on the carriers' business. (Tr., 9077-9079.) If the carriers are not com¬ pensated for ice haulage in the freight rate I would say that nine mills per ton per mile is a reasonable rate of compensation to the carriers. (Tr., 9079.) C. M. Htjbeb: Eepresenting the Mississippi Eailroad Commission. (Tr., 8514.) (Eeferring to item for ice haulage)—"The rate per hundred pounds or per ton per hundred miles, two cents, is not unreasonable, but in my judgment he has figured the average weight of ice in the bunkers at too great a figure." (Tr., 8541.) There was a recurrence in this case of the stock con¬ tention that carriers should not receive any compensa¬ tion for ice haulage in cases where refrigerator car lines such as the Pacific Fruit Express or the Fruit Growers Express received all of the refrigeration revenue. This contention is, of course, finally and effectually disposed of by the decisions of the Commission in the Arlington Heights case, 20 I. C. C., 106, at page 109, and in the case of Railroad Commission of the State of California v. Alabama Great Southern Railroad Company, et al., 32 440 I. C. C., 17, at pages 20 and 21. The former case dis¬ posed of the situation where the stock of the refrigerator car line was entirely owned by the carriers, to wit ; The Sonthern Pacific and the Union Pacific, and the latter case found no distinction where one of the carriers, to Avit: The Western Pacific, Avas in no AAmy interested in the refrigerator car line. This very argument Avas made by the witness, G. K. Williams, traffic manager of Chase & Company, fruit and vegetable shippers, Jacksonville, Pia. (Tr., 8303.) "We shall endeavor to establish that in this territory the elements of 'haulage of Aveight of ice' and 'switch¬ ing' have constituted in part the refrigeration charges. Indeed they should constitute no part of the said charges for the reason that such services are performed by the carriers." (Tr., 8038.) "The rule in Arlington Heights case, 20 I. C. C., Ill, and the Deciduous Fruit case, 32 I. C. C., 26, should never be adopted as applicable in this territory until the man¬ ner of rendering refrigeration service is changed to cor¬ respond to the manner of rendering service in that terri¬ tory." (Tr., 8039.) The cross-examination of the AAÛtness commencing on page 8058 of the transcript and ending on page 8063 thereof clearly developed that the witness was entirely mistaken with respect to the alleged facts upon which he sought to differentiate the method of rendering re¬ frigeration service in Florida from that in vogue in Cali¬ fornia. In fact, there is no difference between the two methods. We think that the item of ice haulage used by the car¬ riers in this case in justifying the proposed refrigera¬ tion charges is upon a basis entirely too low and should 441 be materially increased; that it is immaterial whether a carrier performs the refrigeration service directly or through the intermediary of a refrigerator car line ; that this item should be considered by the Commission in the justification of the proposed charges in all cases, and that it should not give any weight to the contention of some of the shippers that this item, is included in the freight rate—for, whether it be or not, the law is man¬ datory in its requirements that the icing charges be stated separately. Obviously, they cannot be, at the same time, stated separately and also included in the freight rate. SWITCHING. This item has also been included by the carriers as a proper factor of expense in justification of the proposed charges, under sanction of the Commission, as indicated by its decisions to which we have previously adverted. The figure used by the witnesses in their exhibits has been 35 cents for the aggregate service of smtching a car to and from the icing platform. A few witnesses have used the actual cost of the service which has always been largely in excess of 35 cents. Some of them have shown the result of using both the 35-cent item and the actual cost. Again the decision of the Commission approving an allowance of 25 cents per switch was the starting point. To this was added an arbitrary 10 cents to care for in¬ creased cost of labor and materials.' But to be absolutely certain of the propriety of the figure of 35 cents, efforts were made to develop the actual cost of the service. Thus we have the following exhibits and testimony: 442 E. F. McPike : Exhibit No. 70 of this witness shows estimated cost of switching incidental to icing cars at certain icing sta¬ tions on the Illinois Central Eailroad, to he— At Mounds, Illinois $1.67 per car At Nonconnah, Tenn 2.51 per car At Gwin, Miss 2.17 per car These figures are based upon switching engine cost of $11.07 per hour, which is analyzed in detail on a separate sheet forming a part of McPike's Exhibit No. 70. (Tr., 83-84.) Exhibit No. 92 of the witness E. F. McPike, shows an estimated expense of switching ten cars at Mounds, 111., of $13.63, or about $1.36 per ear. (Tr., 2127-2128.) Geo. H. Nelson : Switching at 35 cents per switch is based on switching in trainloads ; if switching were based on one car move¬ ment it Avould be greatly in excess of 35 cents per switch. (Tr., 122.) K. C. Dearborn : The switching cost of 35c per switch was an arbitrary figure based on a Commission's decision in various cases allowing 25c per switch. The increase is due to greater cost at the present time. Switching is performed to the ice plants in trainloads when moving in solid trains. Gen¬ erally the road engine heads into the ice house and makes the first spot ; if necessary, two or three additional spots are made by a switch engine. Moving in and out of the ice house track is considered as one switch and one charge of 35c is made in the exhibits. Icing stations are gen¬ erally located at division points or terminals. If there Avas only one car in the train the cost of switching would 443 be greatly in excess of the amount used which is figured on the maximum number of cars used for each switch. W. H. Jones: Trainmaster on Southern Pacific at Los Angeles for nine years. (Tr., 4396.) At the present time in complete charge of terminals at Los Angeles and San Pedro and for two years previously. Prior to that time, on the division between Los Angeles and Yuma and the south¬ ern branches; in fact on the Los Angeles Division Im¬ perial Valley inner California. (Tr., 436-437.) My duties have rendered me familiar with the handling of cars through the yards at Colton, California, to which I have paid particular attention. I have prepared a statement purporting to show the cost of handling a car in the Colton jmrd. (Tr., 437.) There are three pages to the computation; one showiftg the cost of handling the cars at Colton during month of November, 1918, eliminating all engine hours consumed in handling cars to and from the cement plant; the next page covering the month of February, 1919, and the last page covering the month of June, 1919. (Tr., 438.) My explanation of the elimination from this computa¬ tion of the cars handled to and from the cement plant is this : The cement plant at Colton is located about one mile and a half from the main yard. The cost of handling cars to and from the yard to the cement plant, and to the various industries located at the plant, would not be an average cost of the cars; that is, it would be much greater. Our engine consumes six hours a day in doing work at the cement plant. We are handling in the neigh¬ borhood of 275 cars at the cement plant per month, and when you requested me to give you the average cost of 444 Üajidling cars in the Colton yard, I did not think it would he fair to holster up the cost of switching but including the service of that kind. For that reason I had the en¬ tire expense of the enginemen, fuel, oil and everything else eliminated from the cost of handling cars in Colton yards. The balance of the switching is on a parity; that is, whether we place cars at one point or another, it will cost you approximately about the same; but the cost of handling cars at the cement plant far exceeds any other switching that we might have to perform in Colton yards. (Tr., 439.) In arriving at the cost of cars switched to and from the cement plant, we simply eliminated the number of cars that were handled at the cement plant and eliminated the number of hours and everything else that were re¬ quired to do that switching. (Tr., 439-440.) Q. All right. Now take the first page of this com¬ putation and tell us just exactly how you went about ascertaining the cost of sAvitching a car in Colton yard. A. The first item is enginemen; that is the total cost of the enginemen in Colton, $1,738.60. Q. That was for the entire month? A. That was for the entire month, for the entire number of enginemen. Now, by taking six hours from that,—that is the elimina¬ tion of the time consumed in working at the cement plant,—we find Ave have $188.29. That would leave the cost of enginemen, $1,550.31. The same applies to the yardmen; the same applies to fuel; the same applies to water; to lubricants; to other expenses, and engine- house expenses, making a total of $7,097.87, with the ce¬ ment SAvitching eliminated. Our supervision at Colton includes such expenses as yardmasters, clerks, and all SAvitch tenders. The cost of the supervision, with the elimination, amounts to $1,259.21, miscellaneous supplies. 445 $79.61, making a grand total with the cement plant switch¬ ing eliminated of $8,436.69. The number of cars handled in the cement company's plant, with the cement cars eliminated, amounted to 15,133 cars, and the passing cars iced amounted to 312, or a total of 15,445 cars, and the cement company, 239 of them, makes, eliminated, an actual total of 15,206. That divided into the $8,436.69— Q. 69 cents. A. And 69 cents produces a cost of 55.5 cents. Q. Per car handled? A. Per car handled. Q. Assuming that you switched a car to the icing platform and after it was iced you took it away from the platform and hauled it to some other track, would that be figured in this exhibit as one move or two moves 1 A. It would be two movements. Q. That is the way this is based! A. Yes, that is the way this is based. Q. So that assuming that it takes as much time and expense to handle a car to and from the icing platform as it does to handle any other one of these cars contained in this exhibit, you would double your 55^ cents? A. Yes, sir. Q. That Avould be $1.11? A. Yes. (Tr., 440'-441.) The second page of this statement relating to Febru¬ ary, 1919, was made up in the same manner as that re¬ lating to November, 1918, and for February I got an average cost of 55.6c per move, which would be doubled, making $1.12, and for June, when you handled more cars, the cost per move Avas 61.6 cents, which is approximately $1.03 for switching a car to and from the platform. (Tr., 441-442.) On pages 443, 444 and 445 of the transcript appear detailed statements of all of the items from which the 446 witness ascertained the average cost during November, 1918, February, 1919, and June, 1919, in one direction only, one car in the Colton yards. In my opinion, and from my familiarity with switching- operations at Colton, I would say that these figures were representative for the handling of a car to and from the icing platform. It is also my opinion that these would be approximately representative figures for Yuma and other icing points. (Tr., 446.) This figure of 15,445 is the total number of cars handled in Colton yards, plus the cars which were iced and passed through in the same train. In compiling re¬ ports of cars handled in Colton, it not being a terminal, but where Ave take a car from a train and place it to the platform and return it, then we have added that to the actual number of cars handled in Colton. (Tr., 446.) That item is made up of 15,133 cars that actually moved and were handled in the Colton yards during that month, plus 312 that Avere re-iced through the yards. (Tr., 446-447.) We do not keep track of the number of times Ave move cars so that some of these cars may have moved once or twice or three times in the yards and some of them did not move at all. (Tr., 447.) What¬ ever Avas done to the cars, this 55^ cents for the month of November represents the actual cost or average cost of Avhatever Avas done to the cars in the yards but this does not purport to represent each separate movement of the car. This is the average cost per car. I understood Mr. Westlake when he said that if a car was moved to the icing station and back, the cost would be represented by doubling that amount. That is exactly so because of these 312, the actual number of cars iced Avas 156. As to the figure of 15,133, you can divide that by two to determine the actual cars which were in the 447 yard. (Tr., 448.) "When the car departs we take another count of that car. If the car goes to the interchange we take another count of the car when it returns. There are times when a car may he counted from two to five or six times, according to the movement of the car under load within the yard. (Tr., 448-449.) We keep count of each car. We take two moves for every car that comes into the Cotton yard, one in and one out. 15,133 represents individual movements for which we are permitted to receive a count for each move. We keep in the superintendent's office at Los Angeles a record of the money that is paid out in the course of the year for those different items here shown on these three pages. (Tr., 449.) I think these statements are sufficiently fairly repre¬ sentative of the average cars. If I were to stay on this job trying to get up that statement for two weeks, I could not have devised a more fair formula than I have because I have eliminated every car that I could that cost more than the average. (Tr., 451.) This statement actually refiects the arrival and de¬ parture of the cars or movement of the cars but it does not reflect the inter-yard movement and the number of cars that may be shunted around from one track to another. Colton is not a freight terminal. (Tr., 452.) These figures are in the last column of 15,206, which is November, 1918, and 18,674 for February, 1919, and 24,704 in June, 1919, and actually represent the moves of cars and not the cars themselves. There were certain items not considered in figuring these costs. Those items are overhead expenses, such as taxes, depreciation, in¬ terest on the investment, and other things that would be 448 difficult to secure. Supervision above the yardmaster Avould have to be taken into consideration and it has not been taken into consideration here. (Tr., 452.) There are a great many trains go through Colton that probably we would not get a single count for our yard handling. Take the manifest train No. 244, that is made up at Los Angeles. If there were no cars set out from that train at Colton, and no work performed on the train, we would not be allowed to take any credit because the train happened to go through Colton, any more than if it was a passenger train; but if there was some dead freight pulled into Colton, and they moved a train of perishables out of Colton, and they set out the entire train at Colton, say 45 cars, and picked up 45 other cars, we would get the credit of the handling of these cars. Q. Don't a great many of those cars come by reason of the fact that Colton is at the bottom of the hill, and you reduce the tonnage; that the cars are merely set out by the train, and then go out on another track? A. No, sir. On the contrary, we pull more weight east than into there from the west. Our rating is 46,000 tons between here and Colton. They put on a couple of helpers, the 600M, on certain trains. Some trains will go through with the same tonnage. Q. What does it cost you to switch your cars to and from the cement mill? A. Taking the month of Novem¬ ber, we handled 239 cars from the cement Avorks. That cost us $1,024.64. Q. Or a -little less than $5 a car? A. Yes, a little less than $5 a car. (Tr., 457-458.) 449 Examination hy Examiner Marshall. Q. Your statement covers the movements for the month of November, 1918, and June and February, 1919? A. Yes, sir. Q. Are those considered representative of the aver¬ age movement throughout the year! A. Yes. We tried to get them three or four months apart so as to make a showing as representative as possible. They were not selected with any idea of bolstering up or otherwise flim- flaming the count. Q. They were taken because they were counted repre¬ sentatives? A. Yes, sir. Q. Would the result have been different if you had taken other months! A. They would have been the same if you took any three months, or any one month during that time. (Tr., 461.) H. E. Coverston: Special agent C. C. C. & St. L. R. E. Coverston Exhibit No. ,8 shows the estimated cost per car for additional switching service performed in con¬ nection with initial icing and re-icing at Chicago, Toledo, Detroit, Cleveland and suspension bridge on the New York Central and Michigan Central railroads. This is based upon engine hour cost of |10.80' per hour, which is the average engine hour cost ascertained in a study made at Cincinnati, Louisville and Terre Haute. (Tr., 3433.) This estimate was based upon actual observation made at the points named (Tr., 3434) and includes only such moves as are made directly for the purpose of icing and would not otherwise be made. (Tr., 3435.) At some of the icing stations the switching is done by road engines. The same cost per engine hour was used for road engines 450 as for switcliiiig engines. This is entirely too low for road engine cost, because if the train has more than 50 cars it requires an extra man and a larger tjq)e locomo¬ tive, more expensive to operate. The wages of firemen are higher and a penalty or constructive mileage must be paid where the runs are under a hundred miles, so that as a general rule road train costs are higher than $10.80 per engine hour. (Tr., 3436.) From very com¬ plete records at the icing stations, it was shown that 20 per cent of the cars were handled by switch èngines and 80 per cent by road engines. (Tr., 3437.) This exhibit shows the following switching costs for initial icing and re-icing at these points : Chicago (Englewood yards) $1.44 Chicago (Kensington) 1.70 Toledo (Air Line Junction) 1.08 Detroit (Junction yards) 1.44 Cleveland (Collinwood yards) 1.44 Suspension Bridge (Montrose yards) 1.08 Road Engines (Re-Icing). Toledo (Air Line Junction) 68 Detroit (Junction yards) 36 Cleveland (Collinwood yards) 83 Suspension Bridge (Montrose yards) 83 Coverston Exhibit No. 9 shows the estimated cost of switching cars for icing and re-icing at C. F. A. stations of the Pennsylvania Lines, as follows: Chicago, initial icing $1.57 Re-Icing. Chicago (P. R. R.) 4.20 Chicago (P. C. C. & St. L.) 3.00 Crestline 1-75 Allegheny 1.24 Indianapolis 1.05 Columbus, Ohio 1.05 This exhibit is based upon an engine hour cost of $10.30. (Tr., 3438.) At none of these Pennsylvania 451 points are the cars handled by road engines. This ex¬ hibit shows that the switching cost alone involved in icing and re-icing a car moving over the P. C. C. & St. L. from Chicago to Pittsburgh would be $5.62 and -moving over the P. F. W. & C., $7.52. (Tr., 3439-3440.) E. S. Briggs: Traffic manager Pacific Fruit Express Co. Switching cost studies were also made by the general manager of the Southern Pacific Company at the icing plant of that railroad at Eoseville, California. It was found that iced cars were handled to and from the icing platforms in drags of sixteen (16) cars each; that the switch engine hour cost was $11.64; that the time con¬ sumed Avas 30 minutes, resulting in a cost of $5.82 which divided by the 16 ears gives an average cost per car for switching to and from the icing platform of 36.4c. (Tr., 1286-7.) U. G. PowELu: I am noAv, and have been since 1907, rate expert for the Nebraska State Eailway Commission. Prior to that time I Avas in the railroad business for twelve years. At this proceeding, I represent the Nebraska State Eaihvay Commission and for them the shippers of the State of Nebraska. (Tr., 4214.) This witness offered and there was received in evi¬ dence "Exhibit No. 1, Witness Powell." With respect thereto, the vfitness testified: This exhibit is the result of a study made under my direction Avith regard to the refrigeration situation in Nebraska. (Tr., 4216.) Page No. 15 is a copy of a working statement prepared by the auditor of the Burlington and furnished to all 452 division superintendents for the purpose of showing the cost of handling cars through freight yards. This tabulation is made in comparative form showing the cost for 1919, 1918, for all the stations on the Bur¬ lington west of the Missouri Eiver. (Tr., 4232.) The following is a summary of the switching cost per car in cents at the various stations named: Cost Per Station Car in Cents Year Omaha 108.0 1919 78.7 1918 South Omaha 24.2 1919 18.0 1918 Lin'coln 104.2 1919 73.8 1918 Hastings 37.8 1919 27.4 1918 Wymore 42.1 1919 43.9 1918 Nebr. City 74.7 1919 31.5 1918 McCook 46.1 1919 31.9 1918 Denver 81.0 1919 71.8 1918 Alliance 71.2 1919 43.7 1918 Edgemont 45.5 1919 37.9 1918 Deadwood 140.8 1919 107.3 1918 I think it would cost 35c a car to set any car in any one of the yards as an average figure. I think that is a fair figure. (Tr., 4316-17.) A. F. Cleveland: Assistant general freight agent of the Chicago & North¬ western Eailroad and in the traffic department of that 453 railroad for approximately twenty-two (22) years. (Tr., 4176.) There was introduced in evidence as Cleveland's Ex¬ hibit No.T, a statement in justification of stated refrig¬ eration charges. (Tr., 4177.) On this exhibit appear figures showing the actual cost of switching service to and from the icing platforms. In this connection, the witness testified: "The SAvitching is computed on two cases; basis num¬ ber one is the 35 cents for each car re-iced, and divided by the total number of cars handled. Basis number 2 is computed on engine hour cost of $11.85, arbitrarily taken, 30 minutes service, and divided —that would make a cost of 30 minutes, $5.92, and di¬ viding that number by the number of cars re-iced at any given point on a single day. For example, if there were two cars re-iced on one day, there was assessed against each of those cars one-half of $5.92. If there were three cars, one-third of $5.92. All of those items were added and divided by the total number of cars handled, resulting in the, figure here shown." (Tr., 4178.) Exhibit No. 1 shows the average switch cost per car at WarsaAV and Fondulac of $2.12 per car; at Menominee $6.71, at Marquette $7.45, and at Milwaukee, "Wis. $1.69. These figures are computed on the basis of $11.85 per engine hour, using 30 minutes per switch and dividing by the number of cars switched. (See Exhibit No. 1, Witness Cleveland.) In view of the testimony of these witnesses, the item of 35 cents per switch, to and from the icing platform, used by the carriers' witnesses in justification of the proposed charges, is entirely too low and we make this 454 Statement unqualifiedly, notwithstanding the fact that there may be instances where no switching is required of a car to an ice platform in transit. These instances are so few, and there is such a wide variation between the figure of 35 cents and the actual cost of switching, that no one can fairly contend that 35 cents represents anywhere near the average actual cost of switching cost to and from icing platforms. SUPEBVISION. That an item for supervision of refrigerated ship¬ ments—over and above that necessary to supervision of other than refrigerated shipments—is properly to be allocated to the refrigeration service is beyond question. The decisions of the Commission heretofore referred to establish this clearly. As to the measure of the item for supervision, it is to be noted that a uniform charge of $4 per car has been used by the witnesses in this case with very few excep¬ tions. In some instances, the item has been $3, based upon the figure found proper in the Arlington Heights case in 1911. In still other instances, a still smaller fig¬ ure has been used. In the case of only one witness, so far as we can recall, was a figure in excess of |4 adopted. This was in connection with the testimony of John B. Scott, manager of the Fruit Growers Express, who used the exact figure concerning the accuracy of which there Avas no doubt. Primarily, the figure of f4 was arrived at by taking the |3 allowed by the Commission in the Arlington Heights case, and arbitrarily adding thereto 33;\ per cent to take care of, in part at least, increased cost of superAÛsion due to the large increase in wages and otlier items of expense incident to supervision. 455 That as an average figure the item of $4 is more than justified by the testimony in this case is evidenced by the statements of the following witnesses : Geo. H. Nelson, manager of the refrigerator depart¬ ment of the Santa Fe K. E., and having general super¬ vision over the perishable freight service on that rail¬ road. (Tr., 85.) The supervision expense does not include labor of putting the ice in cars which labor would be included in the cost of ice. The supervision covers general office ex¬ pense and outside agencies which increased consider¬ ably over 1918. The $4 supervision charge is an aver¬ age taken from reports of the various car lines and car¬ riers. (Tr., 1727.) The $4 supervision charge applies against all busi¬ ness moved under refrigeration. In the judgment of the witness, 1. c. 1. costs more to supervise than carloads. Supervision expense includes general office expense, sal¬ ary of the manager as well as clerks employed in the office, traveling expenses, stationery, rental of office, postage salary of traveling agents and inspectors at principal stations, in addition to which are costs of va¬ rious employees at various division points and icing stations, Avhich cannot properly be allocated on pay rolls, etc. (Tr., 1727.) E. C. Dearborn, general agent of the Pacific Fruit Ex¬ press : Supervision cost |6.65 per car to the Pacific Fruit Ex¬ press, but |4 only is asked for in making our rates, that being the average on various lines and was used through¬ out the United States in arriving at supervision expense. (Tr., 995.) 456 C. H. Weston, auditor of the Pacific Fruit Express Company, and who has been connected with that com¬ pany since it was organized, in 1907 : At the Los Angeles hearing on July 8, 1919, there was received in evidence "Weston Exhibit No. 1" showing average expense per car for supervision of cars under refrigeration for the year ending December 31, 1918. It showed that the entire expense chargeable to supervi¬ sion of refrigerated shipments handled by the Pacific Fruit Express Company for that year amounted to 1361,899.93 ; that the number of cars under refrigeration Avere 54,456, giving an average expense per car for su¬ pervision of $6.65. It developed that certain of the percentages used in allocating supervision expense had been adopted by the Pacific Fruit Express in 1910 or 1911. The witness thereupon promised to conduct a further detailed investigation, and to submit another statement shoAving in greater detail the allocation of certain charges to refrigerator serAuce and covering the same cars shoAvn on Weston Exhibit No. 1. This statement was submitted and received in evidence as Weston Exhibit No. 1-A. That exhibit shows that the average cost per car for supervision for the year 1918 was $5.95. (Tr., 2718.) The detail to AAdiich the witness went, and the thor¬ oughness of his investigation will he shoAvn by reference to his testimony given at the Cliicago hearing covering pages 2718 to 2724 on his direct examination, and 2761 to 2787 on his cross-examination and 2788 to 2790 on his redirect examination, and finally from 2790 to 2794 on Ids redirect examination. It should, hoAvcA'or, be noted that wherever there Avas a doubt in the Avitness' mind as to AA'hether or not cer- 457 tain items of expense should he charged to supervision of refrigerated shipments, those items were not in¬ cluded. For instance, on page one of Weston Exhibit No. 1-A appears an item of $60,328.92 under the heading "amount deducted for diversion, car mileage and record employees, etc.," no part of which has been charged to supervision of refrigerated shipment. (Tr., 2783-4.) Q. (By Mr. Westlake.) And when you were in doubt as to some of these items where you differed from your people, you eliminated the charges from the refrigera¬ tion? A. I tried to give the shipper the best of it. (Tr., 2789-90.) E. C. Dearborn: I might say, Mr. Examiner, that at most points on the Union Pacific that our man looks after the entire serv¬ ice at that point. On foreign lines such as the Erie or North Western or other lines like that, our man is there to see that these foreign lines do perform the maximum amount of service. In other words, we want to be as¬ sured that we are giving the greatest service that can be given to the shippers at all these points ; and we have found in a great many instances if we don't have (Tr., 402) inspectors, some of the railroads would slough on the ice a little bit, and we have the inspectors to see that we get the best service. (Tr., 403.) By Examiner Marshall: I assume that extends to Marion, Ohio? Mr. Dearborn: Yes, sir. Our man makes all the re¬ ports to us and is our agent. We keep our own repair record not only on our lines but on foreign lines of all ice and everything connected with the service. You ask as to who would rule at those particular points. Of 458 course the railroad man would have the say, but with our man there if we don't get the service from any par¬ ticular railroad, we change to a road that will assure the shippers and ourselves the greatest amount of service at all points. Examiner Marshall: All that inures to the advantage of the shipper! Mr. Dearborn: The shipper certainly gets the maxi¬ mum service that we can give him. (Tr., 403.) T. H. Gokman, general freight agent of American Ke^ frigerator Transit Co., operating over Denver & Rio Grande, Missouri Pacific, Wabash, St. Louis Southwest¬ ern, Texas & Pacific, International & Great Northern, and several smaller lines. Fifteen years' experience with the A. R. T. Co., and thirteen years in railroad transportation service previous to that: The A. R. T. Co. does not handle any ventilation at all. Its cars are used for ventilation but it gives no supervision of the ventilation loading. All ventilation traffic in A. R. T. cars is handled by the carriers. Gorman's Exhibit No. 5-A Avhich is a detail of Gor¬ man's Exhibit No. 5, itemizes the expenses properly chargeable to supervision of cars moving under refrig¬ eration for the year ending December 31, 1918. The total cost of supervision for that year was $36,519.03 and the total number of cars moving under refrigeration for the year was 5,983 or an average cost of supervision per car of $6.10. (Tr., 8312.) The original consolidated statement (Exhibit 5) showed an average cost of supervision per car for 1918 of $5.74. (Tr., 8316.) In going over our figures, we found that there had been some omission in getting up the fonuer figures and 459 the omitted figures are now included which brings the cost per car up to $6.10. The only character of service that we perform is with respect to refrigerator ship¬ ments and the items that have been charged to supervi¬ sion could not be chargeable to anything else. (Tr., 8318.) We do not operate any heater service anywhere. (Tr., 8334.) It is someAvhat of a misnomer to speak of the ex¬ pense of the general freight agent in that connection. I am referring to myself. It has nothing to do with the transportation end of the traffic, it is freight haulage. We have general supervision over the handling of this refrigerated traffic. My Exhibit No. 5-A does not take into consideration any of the expenses of the general offices outside of the general freight agent. We could not arrive at any per¬ centage that might be assigned to supervision of the other offices. We had a vice president and general man¬ ager in 1918. None of his salary or expenses has been included in this statement; none outside of the general freight agent's office, none of the superintendents' office expenses or auditing department or freight claim depart¬ ment. The general freight office has direct charge of the handling of the refrigerator business and the entire expense of that office is chargeable to what we call ' ' extra handling account," therefore all of the expenses of the general freight agent's department are charged in this supervision and no other department. (Tr., 8832-3.) There is a lot of temporary help included in this Ex¬ hibit (5-A) because our fruit movement lasts about six weeks to two months. (Tr., 8333, Vol. XL.) Those men are employed during that time only and the number of men we employ depends upon the volume of the move¬ ment so that it might vary from year to year. (Tr., 8334.) 460 J. B. Scott, general manager, Frnit Growers Express, referring to the supervision of its Michigan refrigeration business testified that the average supervision cost per car was |4.82, made up of the following items: "Salaries, |2.17 per car; cleaning, 35 cents; tele¬ graphs and telephone, 27 cents; traveling expense, 77 cents ; stationery and postage, 21 cents ; sundries and incidentals, 8 cents; rent, 11 cents; proportion of taxes, 42 cents; proportion executive and general expense, 44 cents; total, |4.82." The average haul on the Michigan business in con¬ nection with which I delevoped an exact cost of $4.82 per car supervision would be between 300 and 400 miles. (Tr., 6204.) Q. In these supervision figures for 1917 which you gave us, what, if any, apportionment did you make be¬ tween the refrigerator business and ventilator business! A. We charge an arbitrary amount of $40,000 of the salaries that we pay to what we term the cars; in other words, other than to refrigeration. Now, that is an ar¬ bitrary amount that we have charged for years, in other words, $10,000 per quarter, four quarters and $40,000, and in looking into that particular feature the other day I was very much surprised to know that we had carried that arbitrary amount to the cars themselves as long as we have, because that was the same amount that we charged years ago when we handled all of the banana business from Mobile and that section, and our equip¬ ment is reduced by half, so it is too large to cars now. Q. (By Mi*. Westlake.) What is the significance of that with regard to your supervision! A. It would automatically make our supervision higher for the refrigeration business. In fact, we are in tile refrigeration business only, that is our business. This other is simply a side issue, when cars are not re- 461 quired for refrigeration. We do not solicit the business, generally speaking, and do not want it. (Tr., 6462-6463.) Our total salaries, offhand, I believe, are $125,000 or $126,000. That includes the district salaries, 80 per cent of which are charged to refrigeration. That is the way I arrived at that item of $1.34. District salaries, gener¬ ally speaking, ought to be all charged to refrigeration. In order to be safe I will answer that it is all charged. District salaries mean literally salaries that we pay in the district itself. For instance, in the Salisbury terri¬ tory we do not haul a single car out of that territory other than under refrigeration. (Tr., 6463.) I told you the $4.57 or whatever the amount was in 1917 was the actual supervision expense for that year. I also told you the $5.70 supervision item was our average for all of our business for the current year, hut that the $4.57 for 1917 was the actual supervision expense for this particu¬ lar district which Ave termed the peninsular district. Executive and general expenses are distributed at the end of the year according to the number of cars handled. If we handled 30,000 cars and this district handled 5 of them they would pay five-thirty-thousandths of that gen¬ eral item of expense. (Tr., 6464.) The expense is first charged to the refrigeration business as a whole to that item, and if we had handled 30,000 cars under refriger¬ ation from all districts, this district would have that proportion of that that their number of cars would repre¬ sent to the total. In other words, it is apportioned on the basis of the cars actually loaded under refriger¬ ation. Take a concrete example, if we handled 30,000 cars under refrigeration for the season of 1910 and 15,000 moved from this peninsula district, half of that item would be charged to this district. The item of car cleaning moans just what it says. It means that we paid an average of-280 per car for cleaning all cars before 462 Ave fnrnislied them to the shippers for loading. That is our actual cost. (Tr., 6465.) This cleaning contem¬ plated putting that car in proper condition to be loaded. If Ave had a lot of rotted fruits or Amgetables in the car it Avould contemplate cleaning it out and scrubbing it and in that particular case the cost might be $10, but on the aAmrage our figure is 29c per car. I have not the details of the figure of $5.70 for supervision, but I should say, generally speaking, that if you aa'OuM add 25 per cent to these items you would about hit it. In other words, I see in this district it Avas $4.53 in 1917 or tAvo years ago, and $5.70 on an average for 1919 does not seem out of line. (Tr., 6466.) On those cars, the cost of Avhich is read into the record, I havm used the actual amounts of ice on all the shipments moving from all the stations. For example, in this particular district to the particular base point that I gave. In other words, if XeAv York Avas the illustration, on straAvberries, the ton¬ nage that I gave represented the actual tonnage on all strawberries from the peninsula to New York. We did not assume anything as to the initial icing or re-icing. We do not assume anything in our business. They AA'ere all checked OAmr. There is no estimate in that. (Tr., 6467.) Q. (By Mr. King.) Mr. Scott, is there any material difference in the consumption of ice for refrigeration of cantaloupes and other green fruits and vegetables? A. Generally speaking, cantaloupes should take considerable lieaA'ier icings than any other commodity in the fruit and vegetable line that I knoAV of, except green corn. (¿. Then you feel that a higher charge for refrigerat¬ ing cantaloupes is justified? A. On the business as a Avhole, yes, in all cases. I haA'e gwen a supervision overhead, etc., of $5.70. In 463 arriving at the rates the committee uniformly used $4. (Tr., 7645-7646.) I do not know what our actual figures Avere last year, but as I recall them in 1918 they were f4.35. IVe are paying higher salaries than AA'e Avere. IVe have given the employees AAdiat we thought they Avere entitled to under present conditions, irrespective of what others did. (Tr., 7646.) Q. I observe generally speaking the increase to rail¬ road employees is greater than any other business I have any knoAAdedge about or knoAV anything about increases in, and Avhat I was driving at is that you followed that trend of increases while the other trend of salaried em¬ ployees has made it almost impossible for them to get along. A. Well, obviously, no humane management I think AA'Ould folloAV the latter. "We expect our men to live and know they have to have money to live with and we try to pay them and recognize conditions accordingly. (Tr., 7646-7647.) I do not see how the business could be supervised for $4 per car. If I testified that the entire expense of supervision is charged against refrigeration I AAms mistaken. That is divided as follows: First, AA'e take an aribitrary of $10,000 per quarter or $40,000 per year from our total salary account and charge that to Avhat we call the cars and Ave then take the balance of the salaries and charge that to refrig¬ eration. (Tr., 7647.) For years we have charged an arbitrary of $10,000 per (juarter for the cars from our salary account. I think our total salary account was $117,000, or something around that figure. In other words, we charged $40,000 out of that $117,000, I believe to the cars and the balance to refrigeration. (Tr., 7648.) ■ With respect to the item of $5.47 per car supervision, Avitness has prepared an exhibit shoAving the details of 464 that item which he otïers as Scott's Exhibit No. 8. In respect to "Undistributed Items" explained by the star on Exhibit No. 8, witness says this is due to F. G. E. method of bookkeeping. Prior to February 1, 1919, it was customary for F. G. E. Company to distribute each item of expense to a specific specified item of supervision such as enumerated on this exhibit. After February 1st it was decided to obviate the necessity of dividing all these different items and just charge all the items that went to make up supervision to the one item "Supervi¬ sion," and because of this fact, the aggregate sum of $1.15 per car arrived at was not divided but was just charged to that account. There is no question as to the propriety of the separate items which go to make up the $1.15. The same items were included in that amount as were included in the other items which were specifically shown separately in the supervision account. (Tr., 9589.) Considerable criticism has been directed to the fact that carriers have used an item of $4 for supervision, re¬ gardless of the length of the haul. The testimony of the witnesses has been to the effect that the supervision on a short haul is approximately the same as on a long haul. This is substantiated by the testimony of John B. Scott who stated that the supervision per car on his Michigan business for an average haul of from 300 to 400 miles was $4.82 per car, while the average supervi¬ sion expense of the Pacific Fruit Express Company was $5.95 per car for the same year on all of its business which is principally long haul. The testimony of T. H. Gorman, the business of whose refrigerator line, the American Eefrigerator Line, is for shorter hauls than that of the Pacific Fruit Express Company, was $6.10 for tlie same year, 1918. The witness John B. Scott, tes¬ tified that the average supervision per car for all of the business of the Fruit Growers Express for the year 1919 465 was $5.70. The average haul of all of the business of the Fruit Growers Express is considerably greater than the average haul of the Michigan business, but the differ¬ ence in the supervision expense is represented by the variance between the figures of $4.82 and $5.70. In addi¬ tion, it should he noted that the $4.82 figure is for 1918 wliile the $5.70 figure is for 1919, so that the spread be¬ tween the two would be materially reduced. In view of this testimony and of the fact that the actual supervision expense, so far as has been obtained, is considerably in excess of $4 per car, it seems to us that the use of that figure in the various exhibits in this case, has been fully justified. In other words, if the average supervision expense of $4.82 per car is proper for a haul of between 300 and 400 miles, it can hardly be said in fairness, that the item of $4 is too high for any haul short of 300 or 400 miles. BUNKER DAMAGE. This is a short term to indicate damage to refrigera¬ tion devices, such as: Bunkers (or tanks), ice racks, drip pans, drip cups, drain pipes, hatchways, ice plugs and ice covers. That an item to cover such damage is properly charge¬ able to refrigeration service is no longer open to debate. As appears from the citations heretofore made, the C Im¬ mission has so decided. Were the shipments not re¬ frigerated, most, if not all, of the enumerated devices would not exist, and except when the car is used in re¬ frigerated service, they are not used. The figure used by the witnesses in this case has been uniformly $5 per car per trip, regardless of distance. The starting point for this amount was the Arlington Heights Case, 20 1. C. C., 108. Wherever the question 466 has since arisen, the Commission has adopted that ex¬ act figure. The carriers felt that if that amount repre¬ sented the average damage in 1910 or 1911, the same figure would he more than fair to the shippers at the present time in view of the admittedly substantial in¬ crease in the cost of labor and materials. But they were not content to rest that factor of the cost of service solely upon the Commission's decisions. They felt that it was incumbent upon them to shed all the light possible upon the question. Accordingly, request was made upon all of the principal carriers and refrigerator car lines to ascertain, for the year 1918, the actual cost of such re¬ pairs. Unfortunately, the invariable answer of the car¬ riers was that no separated or segregated accounts were kept of the repairs to refrigeration devices, and that no reliable figures were obtainable. We were able to 'ob¬ tain some figures from Mr. John B. Scott, of the Fruit Growers' Fixpress, Mr. T. II. Gorman, of the American Eefrigerator Transit Line, and Mr. B,. C. Dearhorn, of the Pacific Fruit Express. Their testimony in substance follows : JOHK B. S-OOTX: Cross-Examination hy Mr. De Vane. I know that the average number of trips per year made by our cars under refrigeration is 6. We handle a few cars under ventilation. I have never kept any statistics on that, although it would be very small com¬ pared with our refrigeration business. (Tr., 6459.) Q. Have you made any independent investigation to determine the actual cost of bunker repairs? A. I have made this investigation. I know that onr refrigerating devices, or in other words the parts of a car that Avould be atfected by the use of ice, cost under reasonably nor¬ mal conditions about f204, I believe. 467 Q. That is the initial cost, is it? A. The initial cost, yes. I know from my own personal knowledge that the life of these parts without taking into consideration any of the repairs could not possibly be over seven years, six years maybe, at least seven. So that if, for exanaple, we handled 30,000 cars of business per year in the territories that we operate in under refrigeration, that would be $30 per car that we would get from this item of $5 bunker repairs, and multiply that by seven years would only give us $210, or practically the life of the part. And I have gone into that matter very carefully with our general superintendent of shops and with our individual superintendents of shops, and they both tell me that they are satisfied that $5 is too low. And prior to our reach¬ ing the determination to retire from the business in or¬ der to clear this up entirely to my mind I had already is¬ sued instructions to our shops that I wanted all items of expense that would be properly chargeable to the use of ice to be kept separately so that this time next year I would know exactly what it cost. Now, I appreciate that was quite an undertaking— Q. Well, the answer is then that you have not got the actual repairs on the bunkers! A. No, I have not. (Tr., 6460.) Q. (By Mr. Westlake) : Have you anything on bunker repairs? A. Since Mr. DeVane raised the point in Florida, at the first opportunity I had our Potomac yard shops keep an accurate record of what that amounted to in actual money. I am advised that the total expense of repairing bunkers of our refrigerators at our Potomac yard shops for the 13-weeks' period end¬ ing August 2, 1919, amounted to $35,830.40, and during that same period repair material was sent either from Potomac yard or from Chicago to various points in the Southeast of an actual value of $3,088.61, and that latter 468 9 amount does not include any freight charges or labor of putting that material on the cars at these points in the Southeast. That makes a total expense at Potomac yard alone and this limited amount that was sent to the ship¬ ping territory of $38,899.01 for a 13-week period. Now, that amount does not include any expense we were put to at any of our other shops or any expense for work per¬ formed by the railroad and which we have paid or will subsequently pay. During this 13-week period there passed southbound through Potomac yard empty 8,844 of our refrigerators. So, I have divided the total number of cars that passed through Potomac yard, whether they were repaired or not, whether they had been previously used for a venti¬ lated shipment or whatever they had been previously used for, into the $38,000 which produced $4.40. Q. (By Mr. Westlake) : Per car! A. Per car. And that convinces me beyond all shadow of a doubt that $5 is certainly reasonable for that item of hunker repairs. This is the first time however that Ave have been able to get any definite figures on that expense. (Tr., 7628- 7630.) Not one penny of that sum of $38,899.01, according to our Potomac yard superintendent of shops, is directly or indirectly chargeable to any other part of the car, ex¬ cept that which is affected by the use of the ice. That covers a period of only 13 Aveeks, and coA'ers the expense only at the Potomac yard and a little extra repair ma¬ terial that he happened to have record of at Potomac, yard, which he gave me as additional information and Avhich I have shoAvn separately. (Tr., 7630.) Q. (By Examiner Marshall) : Just before you pass from that Potomac yard situation, is there any Avay of ascertaining or do you know the number of trips per car? 469 » A. I discussed that with our superintendent and the only way we could determine how many cars were not dupli¬ cated in the cars passing through there would have been to make up quite an elaborate set of figures and check each car, so I told him to be sure to get at it the way it would obviate every possible criticism and to check every car that passed through. As I stated in Jacksonville and I believe I stated at other hearings, our average business per year under re¬ frigeration is approximately 27,000 cars. Assuming that it is 30,000, we have approximately 5,000—or have had for some time, and we have less than that now ; that would make six trips per car per year under refrigeration and for $5 per car this brings $30, which wmuld mean that our bunker expense would be $150,000 if this $5 item is cor¬ rect. Now, this expense at Potomac yard convinces me at least that the $150,000 probably is not anywhere near what we actually expend for that item, because this is only one shop and for one period. Naturally, our year is divided into four periods of 13 weeks each, and assum¬ ing that this was—well, four times 38,000 would make it pretty close to $160,000. (Tr., 7630-7631.) The 13 weeks which I spoke of were those ending Au¬ gust 2nd. (Tr., 7631.) Q. Have you stated into the record how many of those 8,444 cars were actually repaired at Potomac yard during this 13 weeks'? A. Out of the 8,844 cars that actually passed through southbound, 3,168 actually passed through our shops. (Tr., 7631-7632.) There were five thousand and some cars on which no repairs were necessary. Those other cars that did not pass through the Potomac yard shops might have been repaired by the railroads or by any of our other shops. This is simply a one-shop statement. (Tr., 7632.) 470 The figures which I gave for bunker repairs were based on information furnished by our shop superintendent. I did not prepare and do not know how any of these figures were gotten up, except I told him how I wmnted them gotten up and I gave him instructions several months ago and I know they were made up as I told him, and I discussed it with him the other day coming down from New York. Q. Other than that you have no knowledge of how he allocates to the bunker repairs the $35,000? A. Mr. Stewart, our shop superintendent, has been in the busi¬ ness something like 35 years and has built refrigerator cars and knows beyond any shadow of doubt what part of the car is affected by the use of ice and what is not and I am entirely satisfied to leave it to his judgment to al¬ locate the items one against the other. In my opinion those figures are correctly stated. (Tr., 7650.) The 13-weeks period ended August 2, 1919. That cov¬ ered a movement from Georgia and the Carolinas and any portion of the Florida movement that moved during May, June and July. The 13 weeks which he gave hap¬ pened to be just exactly one-fourth of the year. That is why I gave it to you. Our books are kept that way. I find that one-fourth of the year produces $4.40, and bas¬ ing that on the year it would be $17.60 for the entire year for the one shop. (Tr., 7650.) I estimate that these cars make six trips a year for $5 per trip, which amounts to $30 per car. I believe that I testified at the Jacksonville hearing that these bunkers cost $204 and some odd cents. I have now testified that our entire refrigeration movement in these territories served by our company consisted of 27,000 cars in the average. From Florida for the last two years I think it has been approximately 14,000 cars or a little more than 5 per cent. (Tr., 7651.) 471 Q. I have been requested to ask you if the thirteen- weeks period used by your shop in estimating the amount of hunker repairs is a fair average for the entire year, or if you know— A. I take exception to that word esti¬ mate. Those expenses which I gave you were actual. Now, in answer to the rest of your question, I do con¬ sider it a fair basis. The period used was not the period when most of the cars were allocated to the shops for repairs. Those thir¬ teen weeks just happened to be the first thirteen-weeks period already past after this discussion wms had in the South and in Washington. (Tr., 7682.) T. H. Gorman: The following is a reproduction of "Gorman Exhibit No. 30": Shop Cost of Eepairing Eefrigera- No. Cars. tion Devices—Year 1918. 1004 Cost. Grate racks and bulkheads |5,984.49 Drip pans 4,763.49 Drain cups 1,548.30 Drain pipes 305.30 Hatchways 6,026.72 50% plugs 1,237.80 50% hatch covers 1,381.68 Total 121,247.73 Average per car—121.16. Total number A. E. T. cars in service 5,601. Total number loads under refrigeration 1918, 5,983. Average number trips per car, 1.07. Average cost repairing refrigerator devices per trip, 119.78. (Tr., 1893.) Concerning this exhibit, the witness stated: 472 In this exhibit, fifty per cent of the damage to plugs and hatch covers was properly chargeable to ventilation, inasmuch as cars moved about fifty per cent in that service. I took 1,004 cars, as that was the entire num¬ ber of cars which the mechanical department had been able to take records from in the time given. (Tr., 1893.) Damage shown (except 50 per cent charged to ventila¬ tion) all caused by handling of ice into the bunkers and the haulage of ice. In fact, these parts of the car would not be in the car if it were not for shipments moving un¬ der refrigeration. (Tr., 1930.) A. E. T. cars also used for 1. c. 1. service, for which shippers pay nothing. (Tr., 1932.) Even if less than carload shipments under re¬ frigeration were taken into consideration, cost of repairs would still be in excess of |10 per car per trip. (Tr., 1941.) The 1,004 cars picked out for the average per ear cost were taken as they came from the cars showing repairs as they came from the car shops. (Tr., 2989.) If the 1. c. 1. refrigerated moves were substantial, it would ma¬ terially reduce the cost per car attributable to stated re¬ frigerated movement. (Tr., 2989.) As witness stated at Denver, it was his opinion that the number of loads under refrigeration that were not under a stated charge would not equal the number of loads under a stated charge. (Tr., 3000.) Witness' figures as to trips per year, do not include foreign movement or anything that might be done with refrigerator car while it is off the A. E. T. lines, nor does he know how much this off-line movement amounts to. (Tr., 3004.) AVitness does not contend that the $19.78 shown on his Exhibit 30 represents a fair cost of bunker repairs per car per trip; he does believe, however, that taking the 473 other cars that move under refrigeration in addition to those that moved under a stated refrigeration charge, and adding them together you Avould probably get around $9 or $10 bunker damage per trip, or somewhere along there. (Tr., 3004.) So far as witness' knowledge goes, A. R. T. cars are used very little for refrigeration on other lines so that the number of loaded trips in addition to what is shown on Gorman's Exhibit No. 30 qs to stated refrigeration would be confined almost exclusively to cars in 1. c. 1. serv¬ ice. (Tr., 3005.) Gorman's Exhibit No. 30 includes repair items for dam¬ age occurring on foreign lines as well as on the A. E. T. (Tr., 3012.) Does not think trips, exclusive of ventilated, would run over three a year. (Tr., 3013.) Refrigeration devices would not rust at all if the car had not been in the refrigeration service. (Tr., 3019.) R. C. Deaeboen: Dearborn's Exhibit No. 20, and his testimony relating thereto, shows that the average cost of equipping Pa¬ cific Fruit Express cars with ice bunkers is $210.72; that the average life is 8-J years, or, a damage per year is $24.86 (should be $24.79) and that this figure, divided by 3.6 trips per year, gives an average bunker damage of $6.90 per car. The average of 3.6 trips per year is based on the fact that the Pacific Fruit Express has 15,000 cars in service and that in 1918 the number of refrigerated loads was 54,456. (Tr., 261.) It was impossible to secure actual cost of repairs. The figure of $6.90 does not include additional repair items which would make bunker repairs greatly in excess of $6.90. (Tr., 268.) Cars make an average of about seven round trips a 474 year under refrigeration and ventilation. No damage is done to refrigerating devices -which should he charge¬ able to shipments moving under ventilation. (Tr., 344.) While this evidence is not of the most definite char¬ acter, it is as definite as it can he made until records are kept hy some carrier or refrigerator car line for, say a vdiole year, covering every single item of repair to re¬ frigeration devices, and follo-wing every individual move of every car. But the evidence seems to us to be entirely convincing to the proposition that the cost of repairs to refrigeration devices is much in excess of $5 per car per trip. In this connection, it should be deemed "wmrthy of at¬ tention that Mr. A. M. Mortensen, who -was manager of the Signal Supply Company and traffic manager for the Stewart Fruit Co., formerly traffic manager for the Cali¬ fornia Fruit Gro-wers' Exchange, and -who for several years was district manager of the Pacific Fruit Express (Tr., 871) did not question the propriety of an item of $5 bunker damage per 'car on ordinary refrigerated movements. (Tr., 876-877.) Nor did 0. E. Goodman or D. G. Arbuthnot, both of whom testified at length (Tr., 891 to 908) as to bunker damage, question the correctness of the $5 figure. C. M. Hubee; Average damage to bunkers on shipment from a Mississippi point to Chicago would be from two to three dollars per car. (Tr., 8548.) That is based on the assumption that these cars make from ten to twenty trips a year under refrigeration. (Tr., 8549.) 475 L. S. West; Is superintondeiit of Merchants Despatch Trans¬ portation Co. (3031), has charge of the shops at Eochester of the isTeAV York Central Eailroad, which owns the M. D. T. Co., and where he repairs and hnilds re¬ frigerator and other cars. The New York Central re¬ frigerator cars are inspected at the end of each trip (3032) and necessary repairs are made to the body, tracks, ice bunkers, ice openings, hatch covers, pings, drip pans, traps, doors, floor racks or any other item of the cars. Eepairs to the refrigeration devices are made at the end of each trip, hecanse in a great many instances these parts are broken. During 1918 Avitness repaired 6,810 refrigerator cars. In the ease of AA'ooden bunkers the cost of repairs to the hunkers, ice openings, hatch covers, ice plugs, drip pans, traps, doors, floor racks, etc., is $65 per car per year and in the case of steel hunkers that cost is $50 per car per year. (3033-4) The life of the refrigerator devices above mentioned is about one-fourth of the life of the refrigerator car it¬ self. These devices cost $357.50 (3035) and they have to he entirely renewed (besides original installation) three times during the life of the car. (3036) (West Exhibit No. 1.) The M. D. T. cars of the New York Central Eailroad are used in substantially the same service, and between the same terminals, as those of the Ncav York Dispatch refrigerator line, whose refrigerator cars average tAvelve loaded trips per year. (2834) It Avill be noted, too, that this is in comparatively short-haul service. There has been considerable objection to the use of the $5 figure for the short hauls, and as to cars preeooled and preiced by the shippers, but little, if any, other criti¬ cism has been directed to this item. 476 As to the propriety of the |5 charge for short hauls, we have this to suggest. If the charge is to be reduced for short hauls, it should he increased for long hauls to maintain the average which we claim is much in excess of $5. In fact, we contend that $5 should be a minimum charge, and that a greater sum should be allowed to re¬ turn to the carriers their actual out-of-pocket cost for this item. HoAvever, if any grading is to be done, it should be on a mileage prorate. In this connection, the uneontroverted testimony of the witnesses, both for the carriers and the shippers, was that the greatest amount of damage was in the initial icing. Among the witnesses who so testified are, Geo. H. Nelson (Tr., 114), A. M. Mortensen (Tr., 876-7, 880-881), and 0. E. Goodman. (Tr., 896-7.) The witness Nelson, testified that there would be very little difference, if any, in the damage to the bunkers on short hauls as compared with long hauls. That usually the damage is done at the initial point rather than in transit. (Tr., 1776-7.) This being the unquestioned fact, and the average bunker damage being in excess of $5 per car per trip, we see no good ground for receding from our position that an item of $5 is proper for short hauls. HAZARD AND PROFIT. While, as previously stated, no specific figure for these items or factors has been used by-witnesses in justifica¬ tion of the proposed stated charges, nevertheless, they are factors to Avhich consideration should be given. The Commission has so decided in the cases to which refer¬ ence has been made. At page 563 of the transcript will be found a statement of the witness E. A. Coons, of some of the hazards of the refrigeration service. 477 T. G. Stkachast (for the shippers) admitted that car¬ riers should have a profit of about 6 per cent on the prop¬ erty investment used in the service. (Tr., 7814.) G. J. Vizard (for the shippers) was willing to allow $3 for profit and hazard on fruits, cauliflower and toma¬ toes, but thought the carriers should operate at a loss of about $2 a car on apples, berries and vegetables. (Tr., 8454.) W. W. Mankeb (for the shippers) thought the carriers should have a profit. (Tr., 8949-8950.) B. J. Christman, called by the carriers, testified as fol¬ lows ; I am now and have been since June 1, 1919, managvr of the Georgia Fruit Exchange. My duties or functions are, looking after the distribution of peach shipments. That is about 85 per cent of the peach shipments from the State of Georgia. (Tr., 7583.) Prior to June 1, 1914,1 was general southeastern.agent of the Fruit Grow¬ ers' Express, with which I was connected for about 18 years. (Tr., 7587.) I allowed for profit and hazard $12 per car. (Tr.', 7591.) Cross-Examination. Q. Now, this factor of profit or allowance of hazard, do you concede that factor as one that might properly be allowed for furnishing the refrigeration service, that, is, exclusive of all transportation! A. I would have to say this because my experience taught me, and my, iu- timate knowledge of the work of furnishing refrigeration satisfied me, that they had to have a profit of about $10 a car in order to make a reasonable return on the iuvest- nient. (Tr., 7957.) 478 Witness continuing: The factor of hazard and profit has nothing to do with the measure of profit or compen sation for the transportation proper. It is entirely sepa¬ rate. (Tr., 7958.) G. E. WiLiJAMs, traffic manager for Chase & Company, fruit and vegetable shippers, Atlanta, Georgia and called for the shippers, testified on cross-examination, as follows : "Q. (By Mr. Westlake) : Do you agree with the 15.25? A. I consider that is a proper profit and hazard, yes." C. M. Hubee, representing the Mississippi Eailroad Com¬ mission, said: I would allow $4.50 a car for hazard and profit. (Tr., 8551.) Shippers' witnesses, W. H. Youïtct (Tr., 4436) and Leonaed W.4y (Tr., 1403) also stated that carriers were entitled to a profit on refrigeration service. In fact, the shippers or their representatives, almost without exception, agreed that carriers should he com¬ pensated for hazard and profit in connection with re¬ frigerated shipments. The Commission itself has approved items of $8.11 and $7.50 per car to cover hazard and profit. In this con¬ nection, we quote the following from the case of Rail¬ road Commission of the State of California v. Alabama Great Sotithern Railroad Comj^any et al., 32 I. C. C., 17: ■ "The present refrigeration rate to Chicago under attack is $75 per car. This, it will be observed, is $8.11 liigher than the costs stated al)ove. In the Arlinyton Jleiyhts case, supra, this Commission found that under a refrigeration rate on citrus fruit to Chicago of $62.50 the total costs wore $55, leaving 479 a margin of $7.50 to cover 'a certain element of risk which the carrier must assume in the rendering of this seiwice, and, as Avas held in Southern Ry. Co. v. St. Louis Hay S Grain Co., 214 U. S.. 299, a fair profit upon the transaction.' It would seem that, judged by the test of cost of service, the present rate to Chicago, which has been selected as a typi¬ cal one, in that more than half of the movement is to points Chicago and East, is not excessive." We feel, therefore, that in its consideration of our justification of the proposed charges, the Commission should permit a substantial margin for profit and hazard between the cost of the service and the proposed charge. Section Two as Applied to New York State. Three members of the committee which formulated the tariff testified at New York City as to the investigation which was made of the conditions in New York State, and the matters which were considered by the commit¬ tee in preparing the tariff for application to that terri¬ tory. Those Avitnesses were Messrs. Dearborn (6199 et seq.), Scott (6417 et seq.) and Eice (7129 et seq.). Mr. Eice was for many years connected with a refrigerator car line doing business in New York State, and Avas therefore personally familiar with that traffic. In addi¬ tion to this, he made a personal study of the situation in connection with his work on the committee. (7129- 7132) Based on their experience with stated charges in other territories, the committee found that the relation of re¬ frigeration to the commodities is practically the same in all territories. (7132) The customs and practices under the cost of ice basis of shippers in New York shoAV that the business is han¬ dled in a haphazard manner. Cars are supplied by car- riei-s. Some shippers do their own initial icing so far 480 as they can. Others require the carriers to do so. The cars are re-iced in transit by the carriers in accordance with instructions of the shippers, based upon what the shippers think each individual shipment will require. When the shipper can supply the ice advantageously to himself as to cost or otherwise, he does so. As the car¬ rier has the duty of supplying ice upon request of ship¬ pers, it anticipates the volume of traffic and makes its arrangements, either by storing the ice or otherwise, to have' sufficient ice ready to enable it to supply the maxi¬ mum amount required by the shippers. This ice, how¬ ever, is only used by the shippers when it is to their advantage to use it. In some instances, shippers will get their ice from their own supply or by their own contracts so long as satisfactory conditions prevail, and when that supply is exhausted, they call upon the rail¬ road for iced cars. The railroad must stand ready to supply that ice in cases where the shippers does not do so. If the railroad has plenty of ice on hand, and the shipper uses his own, then the ice of the railroad is not used. (7133) A year or so ago, when the carriers for initial icing charged $4 a ton and for re-icing $2.50 per ton, the shippers in a great many cases ordered only one or two tons for initial icing at the $4 rate, loaded the cars with hot fruit and then billed the cars to be re-iced to capacity at the $2.50 rate. This re-icing was often supplied at the same station. (7135-6357.) The re-icing instructions vary with the number of shippers. No two of them use the same notation even from the same station. One shipper bills to re-ice a ton in transit and another to re-ice to capacity ; one bills to re- ice at the first icing station, and another to re-ice at an¬ other station. This is true of different cars from the same station in the same train, and sometimes to the same destination. (6357-7135) 481 Carriers often furnisli ice for wliicli they receive no pay. For illustration,—of ten cars in a train ont of one station over the same route passing through two or three re-icing stations, three are hilled to be re-iced to capacity at all regular icing stations while others are hilled to he re-iced with one ton at the second icing sta¬ tion. Often these latter cars are re-iced at the first sta¬ tion because it is impossible for the carrier to regulate the labor in handling these cars so as to restrict the icing to that shown in the billing. In cases where ship¬ ments are hilled to be re-iced at one station only, some¬ thing often happens to require further icing for which the railroad gets no pay. (7138-7139) Often the rail¬ road has difficulty in collecting its icing charge because of delay in billing caused by the varying and uncertain icing instructions. (7140) A number of the shippers in the territory were inter¬ viewed by members of the committee, and stated that they would prefer the stated charge to the present plan, that ice conditions were unsatisfactory, and that they were compelled to store their fruit because they were unable to get ice and cars promptly. (6454-7136-7137) The committee carefully considered also the Govern¬ ment publications of statistics and other information as to perishables in"this territory. (6417 to 6421-6453) The western New York section produces about 15,000 carloads of apples a year; from 4,000 to 5,000 carloads of peaches; 5,000 carloads of cabbage, and from 3,000 to 4,000 carloads of potatoes. (6333.) 95 per cent of the apples move without ice. (6334-6345) Substantially all peaches move under refrigeration. (6334) By far the largest percentage of the shipments move over the New York Central. In 1915 over 93 per cent of the total shipments were handled by this line. (6736) Some- 482 times, there are as many as 300 cars shipped in one night. (6809) For the peach crop, the cars as assem¬ bled before the peaches ripen because of the necessity of immediate movement as soon as the peaches are picked. The icing stations in the producing territory are located at Eochester, Oswego and Suspension Bridge. The cars are iced at these points, go to the loading point at night, are loaded the following day, and are re-iced either at Rochester or Suspension Bridge before going forward. (6334) For loading at outlaying points, the ice is bought from local dealers in order to avoid sub¬ stantial hauls to and from icing stations. (6337) The railroad at the present time furnishes the largest part of the ice supplied in the territory. At many of the loading points, there are no facilities to enable the shippers to ice their own cars, and a large number of the shippers require the carriers to supply iced cars. One shipper testified that at his station the railroad ices over 800 cars a year. (7306-77) With these facts before them, it was the unanimous view of the committee and also of the other traffic wit¬ nesses that stated charges per carload should be estab¬ lished in this territory (Messrs. Dearborn, Scott, Rice, Kallman, Blydenburgh and Kentfield). The fundamental reasons for stated charges are dis¬ cussed elsewhere herein. Speaking specifically of the particular reasons in New York State, Mr. Rice testified that the stated charges result in uniformity of charge to all shippers between the same points. It is definite. It eliminates divided responsibility for proper refrig¬ eration. The carriers know that it is their duty and theirs alone to provide proper refrigeration and they prepare themselves to do so. Under the present method, tlie shipper provides such ice as it is convenient for him 483 to furnish, while at the same time, the carrier must stand ready to furnish all the ice if called upon suddenly to do so. The carrier, under the present method, must contend with all of the numerous indefinite and varying icing in¬ structions which the shippers give. The shipments often do not have proper protection, and the carrier, as a practical matter, often furnishes ice which it is not paid for. This is due to labor difficulties which it is imprac¬ ticable to control. (7137-7140) In view of the fact that the practice at the present time is entirely in accordance with the widely varying instructions of shippers, it has been impossible to show the cost to the carrier of the service of proper refriger¬ ation, except upon the hypothetical basis of what such service would cost if it were performed. The carriers' evidence of cost, therefore, consisted of testimony show¬ ing how the committee, in formulating the tariff, had arrived at the measure of the charges to numerous points (Dearborn), and further, tabulated statements of points from and to which shipments actually move, and the cost of proper refrigeration npon such shipments. (Kallman's Exhibit No. 2, Blydenburgh's Exhibit No. 1.) Mr. Dearborn testified that the committee arrived at the measure of the charges as follows (6195 et seq.) : The basic commodity, as in all other territories, was green fruits. There is difference in service on different commodities, because of their different nature and dif¬ ferent needs. Basic rates were established to principal destination points. Albion was taken as a typical peach originating station. Buffalo was used as a short-haul destination. New York, Boston, Pittsburgh, Chicago, Kansas City and other points were used as representa¬ tive destinations in arriving at basic charges. To Buffalo, 484 99 miles, it was assumed, based upon the practices in other territories, that five tons of ice would be supplied for initial icing, and that two tons would be used for re- icing. This was figured at an estimated cost, using the estimate of July, 1918, of $4 a ton. (Note: Cleave's Exhibit No. 6 shows an actual average cost in 1918 of all roads in Eastern Trunk Line territory, of $5.04 per ton.) To this was added the items of bunker dam¬ age, supervision, switching and ice haulage, giving a cost figure of $38.70. The charge was fixed at $45, leav¬ ing $6.30 to cover profit and hazard. To New York City, a distance of 401 miles, an addi¬ tional re-icing at Karner was figured, giving a total of $45.70, for which the charge was made $50. (6198) The average haul of 70 per cent of the peach movement is 402 miles. (6738) Similar illustrations were given to Boston, Pittsburgh, Kansas City and Albany, Georgia. (6198 to 6202) Wherever the committee had information that the cost of ice was less than $4 per ton, the lower figure was used. For example, at Fort Madison, Iowa, the cost figure was $3.50. (6201) For short hauls of 20 or 30 miles which would be an over night run, the committee was of the opinion that with prompt loading and unloading no refrigeration would be necessary. (6456) If on such hauls refrigeration were necessary, there would be no difference in cost to the carrier. The same amount of ice would be supplied as the time in transit would only be four or five hours shorter. The committee gave consideration to the fact that ap¬ ples move to a large extent out of cold storage, and for this reason, the charge on apples was made $10 less than on other fruit. 485 This differential was established notwithstanding that Mr. Dearborn stated his opinion to he that it is jnst as essential to give maximum refrigeration to apples com¬ ing from cold storage as coming from the field, as the cold storage apples "go to pieces quicker." (6204- 6209) After the cost was figured to representative points, •as above described, the charge was fixed at a small amount above this cost figure the difference represent¬ ing profit and hazard. No fixed figure was used for profit but the committee aimed at a profit of about $5 a car. (6210) Confirming the propriety of the charges fixed by the committee, Kallman's Exhibit No. 2A shows the cost of performing proper refrigeration service on shipments of peaches and apples to numerous destinations. All of the ■ shipments shown in the exhibit represent transpor¬ tation between points and via routes actually used. As heretofore stated, owing to the present method of icing according to shipper's instructions it is useless to show the present performance on actual shipments. It was therefore ascertained from and to what points and via what routes and through which icing stations shipments actually move. Eepresentative movements were then taken, and the cost figured upon the refrigeration serv¬ ice which would be performed on such shipments under the proposed tariff. The ice costs per ton at various icing stations were takeji from Brooke Exhibit No. 5 and Cleave Exhibit No. 6. (6328) The other factors Avere those applied generally throughout the country. The switching cost at icing stations of 35c is very ma¬ terially less than actual switching cost. No special switching study was made in this territory, but by ref¬ erence to Coverston's Exhibits No. 8 and No. 9 relating 486 to points in C. F. A. territory, it will be seen how inade¬ quate is the 35e figure. The final conclusion found in Kallman's Exhibit No. 2A is, that figured upon the 1918 ice costs, the greater number of shipments show a cost exceeding the pro¬ posed charge ; some of the shipments show a cost slightly less than the proposed charge, and based upon 1919 ice costs, all of the costs were substantially greater than the proposed charges. Blydenburgh's Exhibit No. 1 is a similar exhibit show¬ ing shipments originating at points on the Pennsylvania R. R. The ice costs from Delaware are based on compu¬ tations from actual costs per car which the shippers have been paying under their own arrangements with ice dealers. (6380-6381-6406) These ice costs per car apply irrespective of the amount of ice which the dealer actually puts in the car. (6387-6388) ■ This exhibit likewise shows a large number of ship¬ ments upon which the 1918 cost is greater than the pro¬ posed charge, and the 1919 cost is very much greater. Bearing in mind all that has heretofore been said in justification of the principle of stated charges per car, and bearing in mind the desirability of having in force for this special service a tariff which will be uniformly applicable to all of the nation-wide fruit and vegetable traffic, the carriers submit most earnestly that they have shown that the committee acted carefully, reasonably and wisely in applying the tariff to Eastern Trunk Line territory, and that the charges proposed are fair and proper. Stated charges have long been in effect in Mich¬ igan, and at the first Chicago hearing, the Michigan fruit shippers had no substantial objection to Section 2 of the tariff. (Witness Burdick, 5485.) (The fact that 487 they were later induced to express some opposition as to apples does not lessen the significance of their original position.) The DelaAvare and Maryland shippers have actually implored the Fruit Growers Express to renew its serv¬ ice, which is upon a stated charge basis. (6339-6441) In Georgia the stated charges have been definitely ap¬ proved by 85 per cent of the shippers. In no territory where stated charges are in effect have the shippers asked for a change in the method. The shippers of New York alone want the cost of ice basis, and it is only because of their vigorous protest that we have given them special attention in this brief. There is no other reason why all of the general discussion of Section 2 should not apply with equal or greater force to this traffic. We say greater force because upon the cost of ice basis, the carriers are less adequately com¬ pensated for this service in this territory than elsewhere. The larger percentage of increase in charges which these shippers are at pains to point out speaks elo¬ quently for the carriers' proposal, for it shows that Avhen measured by a proper standard the carriers in this territory have been substantially underpaid for this valu¬ able service. These shippers have for so long been enjoying ele¬ ments of transportation service for less than the cost paid by shippers elscAvhere that they appear to regard it as a right which they may properly insist upon. They have left no stone unturned to retain this right. Time, money, care and energy have been devoted as lav¬ ishly as they properly could be to convince the Commis¬ sion of the soundness of their opposition. The result has been that the record contains a mass of data most of which is utterly useless in considering the proper issues 488 in the proceeding. They are without force or direction. If the purpose of the shippers was to confuse or lead the mind away from the significant facts, these data might to some extent serve that purpose. They fail to accomplish even that. The greater part of these data must simply be laid to one side, as a mass of inert facts which neither advance nor impede the consideration of the real questions of the proceeding. When all of the contentions of these shippers and their supporting evidence is carefully considered, the soundness of the carriers' position remains unimpaired. This will he shown by a discussion of such of the ship¬ pers' contentions as appear to require or merit consider¬ ation. The fact that the New York Central Railroad has in the past encouraged the industry to large investment and production cannot determine the reasonableness and propriety of these charges. The stress laid by these shippers upon that company's past acts is a measure of the force of their opposition. Witness Phillips thinks that these rates should not be advanced regardless of the revenue derived therefrom (9377), if such an advance threatens to put the industry out of business (9378). The Willamette Valley Case, 219 U. S., 433, has long since settled that point. If the New York Central Com¬ pany could not be estopped from increasing its charges to a reasonable basis, then certainly the present Railroad Administration cannot be prevented from fixing its charges so as to yield adequate compensation to it for the service which it performs. Much was said in the record upon the matter of the cost of production to the shippers and the small profits which it is asserted they are able to secure from their business. This Avas stated to be put in evidence for the 489 purpose of showing the serious commercial effect upon these industries of any advance in their transportation charges. In view of our objection to this evidence as irrelevant, we shall not discuss the weight of that evi¬ dence. In attacking the principle of stated charges, the ship¬ pers appear to contend that this basis is too rigid, waste¬ ful, and substitutes the fixed service of the carrier for the wiser discretion of the shipper. They have reiter¬ ated by each witness that the necessities of refrigeration vary with each shipment, and that the shippers alone, by virtue of their long experience, are able to gauge those necessities. They have carefully enumerated all of the factors which they allege determine the amount of ice required, and they seek to convey the impression that the present methods of icing- have been carefully and accu¬ rately worked out to a scientific nicety. They pretend to know down to the quarter ton what amount of ice is required, and they would have us believe that there is sound reason in each case for putting in 3| tons instead of 3-2' tons. The factors which, it was stated by one wit¬ ness or another, control the amount of ice were the fol¬ lowing : Climate of Production Soil of Production Species of Commodity Variety of each Species Condition of the Commodity when Gathered Condition of the Commodity when Loaded Value of the Commodity Nature of the Commodity when shipped Season when loaded. Time within the season when loaded Condition of weather when gathered 490 Condition of weather when loaded Temperature of weather when loaded Temperature of car when loaded Weather and temperature during transit Whether loaded from field Whether loaded from cold storage Whether loaded from dry storage Whether precooled Whether to move at once or to be held in car over night or over Sunday. Whether for immediate market Whether to be placed in cold storage Whether to be canned Whether to be re-iced in transit Whether to move over one line or via a junction point and another line Whether for direct transportation or for reconsign- ment Distance to be transported Running time or schedule of train Climate and Aveather at destination Orders of the consignee as to amount of ice Amount of ice left in hunkers upon arrival One shipper can tell "by the feel of the car" when he gets into it hoAv much ice to supply. One pretends to know for several days in advance what the temperature and weather will be along the line until the car reaches destination. All the shippers guess at this factor in most instances, for it was admitted that during the peach season in New York in September the weather and tem¬ perature fluctuated widely and suddenly from day to day—a cool day in western New York will be followed by a warm day or an extremely hot day while a shipment is in transportation. (7247-7248) Yet the icing instruc- 491 tions of tlie shippers are very seldom, if ever, changed after the shipment begins to move. One shipper, who personally gives the icing instructions for all of his cars of apples, often telegraphs these instructions hundreds of miles without having more than a general knowledge of the Aveather at loading point. While at New York, he said he would telegraph icing instructions on ship¬ ments from Arkansas and from Illinois. This, he said, was not taking a chance on the weather, hut was sound business judgment, or, as his counsel expressed it, "com¬ mon sense at its best." One formerly iced to capacity, until upon inquiry of the consignees he learned that shipments were arriving at Philadelphia with the bunkers half full. This he con¬ sidered was too much ice left in the bunkers, and it was this factor which influenced him in reducing the amount of ice supplied initially. (7225, 7226, 7249, 7250.) A signiflcant converse of this case was one in which a shipper had been loading cars of small capacity with icing of two or three tons. In 1913, the agents at desti¬ nation advised him that there Avas no use shipping under those conditions because the shipments Avere rotten upon arrival. (7304) Now he ices to capacity. Elaborate exhibits were introduced to show that the actual practices of the shippers have varied in accord¬ ance with their judgment of the individual requirements of the shipments. The only deductions Avhich can be made from these exhibits is that there are Avide differences in the amounts of ice furnished. There is no consistency to be found anywhere. Different shippers differ widely in their judg¬ ment under the same circumstances. Some believe in full refrigeration while others believe in taking a chance. Some want the goods to arrive in perfect condition and 492 ■will not spare ice, -w^hile others give first thought to the icing expense. Some use thought and others have hope. There is very slight evidence that they are guided by the condition of the fruit at destination, and this can he readily explained by their system of conducting their business. Most of the shipments are sold on consign¬ ment, and the commission men at destination sell the goods in the condition in which it arrives for the best price to be secured, remitting the proceeds to the ship¬ per. The shipper often does not know whether his low price was due to the market on a certain day or was due to the inferior quality of the fruit. As he has been re¬ sponsible for the icing instructions, he of course, makes no claim against the carrier, so unless there is a wreck or the goods arrive entirely worthless, it is reasonable to believe that in most instances the shipper does not know whether the goods were sufficiently protected or not. These shippers have in their zeal overstated their case. They would have us believe that they exercise superior intelligence in measuring their ice requirements, but on cross-examination each one left no doubt that he was guided by the most general and superficial facts. None of them knew the cooling power of a given quantity of ice under given conditions. None of them could say why a given shipment required a certain amount of ice except by the most general explanation as to their experience in kno-vving the feel of the car and judging the condition of the weather. In this case, as in most cases, Ave ven¬ ture to say that experience is largely a matter of habit. Nothing could demonstrate more clearly than these; icing exhibits of the shippers the haphazard practice under the present system. The proper preservation of these food products is a matter of chance. The ship- 493 per's icing is a question of expense rather than efficient operation. See, for instance, Mr. Frazer's testimony, in explaining the larger amount of ice supplied on cer- tain shipments shown in his exhibit. "The price was high in 1918 and the men were particularly careful that nothing would happen to their cars. Often these would have moved with no icing." (6850) It should also be borne in mind that the three or four shippers who testified as to their icing practices are a very small part of the shippers in this territory and handle a very small part of the business. We venture to say that they were probably selected to testify he- cause of their intelligence as well as their attitude to¬ ward the tariff. It does not follow that all of the ship¬ pers in this territory use as much care in their icing as these shippers or are guided by as high motives. The carriers propose to deliver these goods in good condition, and their icing service will he rendered with this single end in view. It is said that the superior wis¬ dom of the shippers results from the fact that this is their business, while it is only incidental to the carriers. This ignores the fact that at present the carriers are furnishing a larger amount of ice than the shippers; that the carriers are doing all the re-icing in transit ; that a great many of the shipments are now iced to full capacity with consequent responsibility on the part of the carrier, and that the carriers have already adjusted themselves to this refrigeration business. How can it be said that tlie carriers with their large organizations have less interest in efficient refrigeration than the ship¬ pers? The shippers are by no means devoting all their attention to this question. They are engaged in raising and selling their products, and transportation is only a single phase of their business. It is hardly to be ex¬ pected that they would become expert in refrigeration 494 and transportation while engaged in the difficult task of managing their farms and orchards. The carriers at the present time hold themselves out to furnish ice to any reasonable extent demanded by the shippers, and they have established icing stations and equipped themselves to meet these demands. With these facilities they now supply the largest proportion of the ice used. Eequests are made by shippers for large num¬ bers of iced cars, and at many points the shippers have no means either of icing their own cars or of having them iced except by the railroad. (7264-7265) The car¬ riers have gone to large expense to construct these fa¬ cilities and each year they purchase and store large quan¬ tities of ice irrespective of the cost involved. Knowing that duiing the shipping season shippers all along the line will suddenly require iced cars, they meet this con¬ dition by preicing cars and sending them along the line for the shippers' immediate use. Sometimes these cars are required and sometimes not. If not, the carrier loses. The carrier must store enough ice to supply all reasonable demands. If, because of the extent of the shipper's own supply, it has stored more than the ship¬ pers ' demand, it bears the loss. One shipper who testified with all the appearance of a conservative and efficient businessman, stated that he usually ices his own cars, but sometimes he gets in a hurry and takes cars which are iced by the carrier. (7018) There is not an iota of responsibility on the shippers for this frequent economic waste of ice. If the carrier fails to furnish an iced car on reasonable demand it be¬ comes liable. This has been referred to by some of the carriers' witnesses as a divided responsibility, but this states it too generously, for there is no responsibility whatever on the shippers. If they have no ice or if ice is too expensive to supply, they call upon the carrier 495 to furnish it at the tariff charge, and this the carrier does irrespective of the cost to it. If they have stored ice, and the local price makes it advantageous for them to sell, they can do so and call upon the carrier. The shippers dance and the carrier pays the fiddler and sup¬ plies the hall. None of the shippers would he willing to assume all responsibility for furnishing ice. Mr. Phillips would oppose the discontinuance by the carriers of their icing facilities and service leaving it to the shippers to do it all. (9383) He insists that the carrier shall continue to hold itself in readiness to furnish as much ice as its experience has shown may he demanded. (9384) Mr. Frazer stated that it was the present practice of the carriers to ice cars in anticipation of demand and send them to stations along the line to take care of sudden orders. This service, he stated, the shippers desire to have continued. But for all of this the shippers insist that they shall pay only $4 per ton for such ice as they actually use. Attention is directed by the shippers to the fact that there are about 60 cold storage and icing plants in this territory. These, it is contended, have been constructed at considerable expense, and the proposed charges, it is said, will deprive the shippers of their benefit. By means of these, the shippers are enabled to ice their shipments. A similar situation was discussed by the Supreme Court in A. T. S S. F. R. R. Co. v. U. S., 232 U. S., 199, in which the court held that as the icing of cars is a part of the transportation required by the In¬ terstate Commerce Act to be furnished by the carrier, the carrier has a right to furnish it at a reasonable charge. The court said: "Whatever transportation service or facility the law requires the carriers to supply, they have the 496 right to furnish. They can therefore use their own cars and cannot he compelled to accept those ten¬ dered by the shipper on condition that a lower freight rate be charged. So, too, they can furnish all the ice needed in refrigeration, for this is not only a duty and a right, under the Hepburn Act, but an economic necessity due to the fact that the carriers cannot be expected to prepare to meet the demand, and then let the use of their plants depend upon haphazard calls, under which refrigeration can be demanded by all shippers at one time and by only a few at another." This decision should effectually dispose of this con¬ tention. The shippers cannot, by building these icing plants, increase the amount of ice which they themselves furnish, and yet demand that the carriers shall continue to hold themselves in readiness to supply all the ice which they may require. Nor can they with reason con¬ tend that the carriers must continue to permit them to perform such icing of cars as they desire, while the car¬ riers furnish the rest at a charge per ton. In Unit Mar¬ keting Sgstem v. St. L., B. é M. By. Co., 49 I. C. C., 510, 514, the Commission said; "This decision [Arlington Heights case, 20 I. C. C.] furnishes no basis for an assumption that whe.re carriers offer to provide and do provide a refrig¬ eration service, which is the same or substantially the same as that demanded by shippers generally, and which is reasonably well adapted to the particu¬ lar traffic involved, a shipper may elect to perform a part of the service for himself and thereby secure a lower rate than that which the carrier has estab¬ lished for the entire service, and which is available to the majority of shippers. Such a course would disrupt the service, prevent the economical and ef¬ ficient performance of the carrier's obligation to the general public, and Avould ultimately impose an unwarranted additional burden upon other shippers and other classes of traffic." It is said that shipments coming from cold storage houses require less ice than those loaded from the field 497 and that this should bring about a lower cost to the ship¬ per which can only be done upon the cost of ice basis. It is very doubtful if cold storage shipments actually require less ice hy reason of that fact alone if they are to be properly protected. Witness Dearborn, whose ex¬ perience gives the weight of authority to his opinion, testified that cold storage shipments "go to pieces quicker," than shipments coming from the field, and that it is just as essential that apples coming from cold storage be given maximum refrigeration as apples from the field. In 11. B. Williamson v. A. T. S B. F. Ry. Co., 42 I. C. C., 11, the Commission said: ' ' Complainant does not attack the charge of |47.50 as applied to shipments of apples moving direct from the orchard, but insists that on shipments moving from cold storage refrigeration charges should be based on the actual cost of the ice fur¬ nished or requested by the shipper, and that the above-quoted tariff provisions should be amended accordingly. It does not appear that less ice is used for the re¬ frigeration of cold storage apples than for the re¬ frigeration of other apples. It is impossible for the carriers to determine in all instances whether ap¬ ples are shipped from the orchard or cold storage." See also : Providence Fruit and Produce Exchange v. N. Y. C. R. R., 33 I. C. C., 294. This question is related not so closely to the principle of stated charges as to the measure of the charge. There was not the slightest suggestion as to how this factor could be considered in measuring a stated charge. There is no uniform difference between the amount of ice used in cold storage shipments and the amount used in other shipments. Cold storage shipments have as much vari¬ ation one to another as other shipments. Even if it were entirely clear that cold storage shipments invari- 498 ably require less ice, there appears to be no way of measuring the allowance which should be made for it. The committee considered this matter very carefully, and for this reason, the charge on apples was made lower than the charge on other fruits. Mr, Phillips calls attention in his exhibits to the fact that in the proposed tariff, the stated charge on apples has a varying differential under other fruits of $10 in some cases and $5 in others, while in still others the charges are equal. The witness pointed to this as a criti¬ cism of the tariff, but was unable to advance any better scale of charges. We believe this demonstrates the care with which the charges were made. There has been no evidence submitted in the record to impeach the sound¬ ness and propriety of the committee's action in this re¬ spect. Great stress was placed by the shippers upon the con¬ tention that in fixing the charges, the carriers did not give proper consideration to the short-haul shipments. By this, apparently, was meant shipments of less than 100 miles or, more specifically, shipments from points in the western New York fruit belt to destinations in the immediately tendtory such as Buffalo and Eochester. Mr. Phillips alone was of opinion that a short haul in¬ cluded anything less than 800 miles. Eeferring to these very short hauls, it appeared that most of them involved overnight runs and it is difficult to see why any ice at all is necessary if the shippers load promptly and con¬ signees unload promptly. Witness Kallman and witness Dearborn were firmly of the opinion that refrigeration of these shipments is rmnecessary, and witness Dear¬ born stated that if any refrigeration is necessary it should be to capacity. As showing how disproportionate is the vigor of their protest to the extent of the short-haul btisiness affected. 499 attention is called to the table on page 23 of Frazer's Exhibit No. 3. This table, showing 3,018 cars of peaches, represents 70 per cent of the peach shipments over the New York Central in 1915. The table is as follows : Distance Shipped Percentage (miles) No. of Cars of Total 100-200 173 5.7 200-300 415 13.8 300-400 555 18.4 400-500 1647 546 500-600 228 7.5 3018 100 It will be noted that only 5.7 per cent of these cars moved less than 200 miles; over 80 per cent over 300 miles and 62 per cent over 400 miles. The short-haul shipments of peaches therefore are a very small part of the traffic. As to apples, it was impossible to ascertain tain definitely how many moved under refrigeration, but witness Kallman expressed the opinion that it was not more than 5 per cent. Of this 5 per cent it may safely be said that a correspondingly small proportion moves for short distances. So that the entire short-haul traffic of apples and peaches hardly merits the violent opposition shown by the record. Again this opposition was entirely destructive in its nature; and no suggestion Avas otïered as to how the tariff could be modified to give greater satisfaction to the. shippers. Attention should be given to the report of the Com¬ mission in Refrigeration Charges on Fruits and Vege¬ tables from Colorado to Kansas Points, 29 I. C. C., 653. In that case the carriers proposed to establish a stated charge of $40 to replace the so-called "shipper's icing" basis at $2.50 a ton. The distances involved were ap¬ parently of comparable length with those generally in¬ volved in this eastern territory. Many of the conten- 500 tions of the shippers and carriers were similar to the contentions here involved. After setting forth all of the objections urged by the carriers to the "shipper's icing" plan and the views of the shippers, the Commis¬ sion sustained both the propriety and measure of the stated charge. The case is so similar to the present issue that there is no logical reason why the same con¬ clusion should not here be reached. The grouping of New York State, both as to points of origin and destination was stated to he unsatisfac¬ tory, hut the witness would suggest no other. Upon re¬ quest, he agreed to do so hut nothing has been heard from him up to the time of going to press. The carriers have been entirely sincere in their re¬ quest for suggestions from the shippers. They have been willing to give careful consideration to suggestions Avhich would enable them to obviate the shippers' criticism con¬ sistently with the general purpose of the carriers in pro¬ posing the tariff. The carriers believe that the tariff is the best that could be devised to accomplish their pur¬ poses as heretofore set forth, but they have been entirely open to any suggestion for its improvement. These ship¬ pers, however, have contented themselves with adverse criticism. They have offered no constructive sugges¬ tion to overcome the difficulties which they point out. Their cry is "Let us alone !" and nothing else vdll satisfy them. It is mere sophistry for them to testify that they be¬ lieve that the carriers should be fully compensated for all their services, and that they are willing to see this done, while at the same time they oppose every detail of the plan by which it is proposed. They admit that in prin¬ ciple the carriers should be paid for ice haulage, and other elements of the service, but they insist upon the 5or retention of the cost of ice basis, well knowing that these elements cannot practically be included in a per ton rate. Their view is that carriers should not be permitted to change their charges or practice until they improve their facilities and equipment, while they are aware that such improvement is remote in view of the present state of the carriers' revenue. Another objection raised by the shippers to the meas¬ ure of the proposed charges in this territory is based on the fact that some of the refrigerator cars owned by the Eastern Trunk Lines have bunkers which are not large enough to contain five tons of ice. The plausibility of this objection disappears when we consider the evidence as to the extent to which this smaller equipment is actually furnished for this fruit and vegetable traffic. All of tlie shippers stated that they desired cars of the larger bunker capacities, and none of them' were able to say that smaller capacity cars are being supplied for their shipments except infre¬ quently. The carriers' testimony affirmatively showed that the larger equipment is usually furnished in this traffic. The New York Central within the last few years has acquired a great many new cars of the large type for use in this traffic. Mr. Phillips, who lives in Roches¬ ter, N. Y., and represents the apple shippers of the whole country, said that the New York Central cars are the best in the country. Mr. Frazer said that there is an in¬ creasing percentage of newer cars with large bunkers be¬ ing furnished. (6899) One local shipper said that several years ago he often received cars with small bunkers, but that in 1918 and 1919, all of the cars were cars with large hunkers. (7303) The witness said that there in an ar¬ rangement among the shippers themselves, whereby the equipment is so distributed that such smaller cars as are furnished are used for short-haul shipments, in which 502 they could be satisfactorily employed. (7315 and 7316) Mr. Scott of the Fruit Growers Express Company testi¬ fied that during the heavy shipping season in this terri¬ tory, the carriers use such empty cars—F G E—P F E—■ SEED, and other car lines—as are found on their lines. These cars are all of large bunker capacity adapted to long-haul fruit shipments. Furthermore, carriers in this territory have recognized that the larger cars should be devoted to the fruit traffic, and with this in mind they have made it a practice and propose to continue to sup¬ ply these smaller cars for the transportation of dairy products and other freight for which the small cars can be more satisfactorily employed. The Pennsylvania Eailroad, which has many of the larger cars, supplies the fruit traffic on its line entirely with its larger sys¬ tem cars. That line rarrely furnishes cars of another railroad for this traffic. While it is true that several of the railroads in this territory have cars of small ice capacity, there is no evi¬ dence that these lines actually transport any of this per¬ ishable traffic. Wherever the fruit traffic originates, the record clearly shows that the tendency of the carriers is to acquire an increasing number of cars of the large bunker capacities. Apparently this objection is one which only occurred to these protestants after they ex¬ amined the Cleave exhibits. It is a theoretical objec¬ tion which is not supported by any evidence of practical difficulties experienced by these shippers in the car sup¬ ply. This paper objection ought not to be given weight to overcome the fact that these carriers will undertake to supply satisfactory equipment to accomplish their un¬ dertaking in the proposed tariff. It has been shown elsewhere herein that a service of refrigeration involves several factors in addition to the cost of the ice such as the switching at icing stations. 503 haulage of the ice, maintenance and repair of refrigera¬ tion devices, cleaning of cars, etc. The shippers do not dispute the propriety of compensating the carriers for these elements of service. The only practicable way that this compensation can he secured is by means of a stated charge per car. No other way has been suggested. Members of the committee who have labored with the re¬ frigeration problem for many years have been unable to see how otherwise it could be done, and none of the shippers or their representatives had any idea to ex¬ press. Mr. Phillips admitted that ice haulage, for in¬ stance, should properly be compensated for, but stated frankly that he was unable to suggest any way by which this item conld be included in the charge upon the cost of ice basis. (9330-9334) There appears to be no escape from the alternative that the carrier must establish this per car charge or forego its proper compensation for these elements of service. Discussion of Exhibits Submitted and Testimony Given with Respect to the Cost of the Service of Refrigerating Shipments of Perishable Commodities Subject to Proposed Charges in Section 2 of the Tariff in Comparison with Proposed Charges, and Views of Shippers with Respect to Proposed Charges. Having heretofore discussed and justified the meas¬ ure of the factors used by the various witnesses in their exhibits showing the cost of the service of refrigerating shipments subject to the provisions of Section Two of the tariff, we now come to a consideration of the exhibits themselves and of testimony given apart from exhibits. We can do no better in this respect than to submit a summary of those exhibits and the testimony. The following is a list of the witnesses who testified with respect to this subject matter: 504 Bagent, K. E. : Chief clerk to general manager of the Frisco Refrig¬ erator Line, and assisting in the supervision of the handling of perishable freight over that railroad (Tr. 8469-70). Blydenbukgh, E. R. ; Assistant general freight agent of the Pennsylvania Railroad. In the traffic department of that railroad since 1881 (Tr. 6369-6370). Cleveland, A. F. : Assistant general freight agent of the Chicago & Northwestern Railroad. Connected with traffic depart¬ ment thereof for about 22 years (Tr. 4176). Ceow, F. W. : Service clerk perishable freight service, Illinois Cen¬ tral Railroad; six years as traveling agent in perish¬ able freight department of that railroad (Tr. 3974). Deaeborn, R. C. : General agent Pacific ITuit Express Company, with which he has been connected since October 1, 1907 ; with Fruit GroAvers' Express four years prior thereto (Tr. 251). Gorman, T. H. : General freight agent of American Refrigerator Tran¬ sit Company, operating over the Denver & Rio Grande, Missouri Pacific, Wabash, St. Louis Southwestern, Texas & Pacific, International & Great Northern, and several sm.aller lines. Fifteen years' experience AAuth the Amer¬ ican Refrigerator Transit Company; thirteen years in railroad transportation service previous to that (Tr. 1870). 505 Horb, George B. ; Western dairy agent, New York Central and Mich¬ igan Central since 1915; assistant general dairy agent NeAv York Central fast freight lines from abont 1907 ; prior thereto, assistant general western agent Mer¬ chants' Despatch Transportation Company, as far back as 1893 (Tr. 3859). Huber, H. A. : Superintendent refrigerator service, Chicago, Eock Island & Pacific Eailroad. Entered railroad service 1886, and became superintendent of the refrigerator ser¬ vice in 1904 (Tr. 1803). Kallman, W. S. : Assistant freight traffic manager. New York Central Eailroad. Has been associated Avith New York Central for 19 years, and in the railroad business 36 years, mostly in the traffic department (Tr. 6323). McPike, E. F. : Manager perishable service of the Illinois Central Eailroad. In railroad service since 1894; first began to specialize in perishable freight AAmrk in 1903. Appointed to his present position January 1, 1912; was a member of the United States Eailroad Administration on the committee compiling Perishable Protectee Tariff No. 1; has been secretary of the American Eailway Perishable Freight Association since it was first organized in 1908, under the original name of Eailroad Eefrigerating Ser¬ vice Association; that now covers about 185,000 miles of lines throughout the United States and Canada (Tr. 78 and 79). 506 Meeritt, George R. : General agent refrigerator service Northern Pacific at the present time and since January, 1910. Previously traveling freight agent for about ten years, and agent for eight or nine years prior to that (Tr. 1158). Nelson, George H. : Manager of the refrigerator department of the Atchi¬ son, Topeka & Santa Fe Railroad; has been in that department since 1898 in various capacities, from office boy to manager; has entire supervision of the perish¬ able freight service of the Santa Fe Railroad (Tr. 85). Quinn, Charles D. : Assistant general freight agent of the Louisville & Nashville Railroad. Former position was chief clerk to the general freight agent and assistant general freight agent. Has had 23 years' railroad experience (Tr. 7708). Scott, John B. : General manager of the Fruit Growers' Express, and has been such for about four years. Prior to that time, assistant general manager, and prior to that, various other positions connected with the same company; in the refrigeration business since 1894. The Fruit Growers' Express furnishes service to all the railroads in the Southeast with the exception of the Louisville & Nashville, Chesapeake & Ohio and the Norfolk & West¬ ern. There may be a few other minor exceptions, but practically all the other roads of consequence (Tr. 7608). Smith, Leroy R. : Auditor of station accounts and has been such for the Great Northern Railroad for two years; in railroad service 26 years (Tr. 6053). 507 Stevens, O. M. : Superintendent of refrigerator service of the Chicago, Milwaukee & St. Paul Eailroad. It was the aim of the Administration to present ex¬ hibits which would show the actual performance of car¬ load movements under refrigeration of the principal perishable commodities from the principal producing districts throughout the United States to all destina¬ tions, or to representative destinations, for a given year, or for a representative period of a given year. Where the performance for a whole year has not been shown, it was because of the large volume of movement of perishables under refrigeration and the limited time at our disposal for preparation of the exhibits. Such ex¬ hibits have been presented, and are on record in this case, and we have set forth a summary thereof in Ap¬ pendix B. That summary includes, not only the exhibits, but also the testimony of one witness. Me. John B. Scott, who furnished for the record a detail of the cost of the service of refrigeration with respect to certain territory instead of filing the same in the form of an exhibit. The witnesses, Blydenburgh and Kaeeman, who testi¬ fied Avith respect to the refrigeration service in Official Classification territory, could not prepare exhibits show¬ ing actual performance because the shipments in that territory moved on the cost of ice per ton basis. Ac¬ cordingly, they prepared exhibits shoAving what the re¬ frigeration service Avould cost if properly performed in that territory. These exhibits have been made the subject of discussion in connection with that portion of this brief relating particularly to Eastern Trunk Line territory. In the summary. Appendix B, will be found a state- 508 ment in connection Avith the exhibits of each witness, shoAving upon what basis the ice costs were figured, whether for 1917, 1918 or 1919, or a combination of those years. In connection with every exhibit presented by every witness, the testimony Avas that the exhibits were representative. The actual amounts of ice furnished, either initially, or in transit, Avere used by the witnesses, and applied to these amounts Avas the actual cost of ice to the car¬ riers. In addition to the general exhibits, detailed state¬ ments, where called for by the examiner, Avere furnished, shoAving performance of individual cars. These details shoAA^ed initial icing stations and in transit stations amount of ice supplied at each point, cost of ice at each point, average haul, etc. In fact, every necessary detail has been supplied to enable the Commission or any one interested to check the general statements. As to the accuracy of the records of the carriers Avith respect to the amounts of ice supplied, it is true that Mr. F. C. Smith, an inspector for the Commission, found some discrepancies at BraAvley, Cal., and at Blue Island and Corwith, 111. As a whole, however, no com¬ plaint has been made AAuth respect to the accuracy of carriers' records at other points, and we assert, with entire confidence, that the summary. Appendix B, fairly reflects the cost of the refrigeration service to the car¬ riers, and conclusively demonstrates that the proposed charges haA^e been amply justified. This summary, AAdiich shows a comparison between the cost of the service and the proposed charges in the tariff, discloses very graphically that such proposed charges, under the present cost of the service, will not return to the carriers sufficient compensation to pay the out-of-pocket expense, plus a reasonable margin for 509 hazard and profit. In fact, in many cases, the cost of the service exceeds the proposed charge, and on an, average it might be stated that the cost of the service just about equals the proposed charge. The question, therefore, naturally arises why, in proposing these charges, the committee did not make them sufficiently high to return to the carriers, not only the cost of the service, but a reasonable amount in addition thereto to cover profit and hazard. The explanation for this is that when the conmiittee formulated the tariff, com¬ mencing about July, 1918, it took into consideration the ice costs in the various sections of the country for the year 1917 and, so far as the information was available, for the year 1918, up to the month of July. These ice costs, as has been fully developed in the record, have largely increased since that time. The result is that the proposed charges are not sufficiently compensatory. This summary will also afford sufficient answer to the criticism which has often been made during the prog¬ ress of the proceedings herein to the use, in some of the exhibits submitted in justification of the charges proposed in the tariff, of 1919 costs of ice. For even had the witnesses founded their exhibits on the loAver ice costs which they had in mind when they formulated the tariff, the proposed charges would still be justified. Views of Shippers and Comments Thereon. Among -the objections of the shippers to the measure of the stated charges were the following: 1. That the effect of the increases would be to hamper the shipper's business. 2. That the charges were unreasonable in com¬ parison with like charges from other territory, dis¬ tance considered. . 3. That the charges were unreasonable in com- "j :~^.parison Avith what the shipper had theretofore paid. 510 4._ That the increase would add to the high cost of living. 5. That the carriers should not be permitted to justify the charges upon the 1919 cost of ice. 6. That the cost of ice basis is the proper one. 7. That if the carriers show a loss in one terri¬ tory they should show an equal loss in all terri¬ tories. As instances of the positions of the shippers in these respects and, in some cases, their utter absence of foun¬ dation for their objections, Ave cite the following testi- monjr of shippers or their representatives. Edward P. Byars, traffic manager of the Fort "Worth Freight Bureau, Fort Worth Chamber of Commerce, West Texas Chamber of Commerce, secretary-treasurer of the Texas - Wholesale Fruit and Produce Dealers. (Tr., 8456-7.) I have made no analysis of the cost of the service as compared with the proposed tariff, so that my statement that those rates are unreasonable is merely because they represent in a great many in¬ stances very substantial increases over the present rates. (Tr., 8262.) That is the foundation for my statement. (Tr., 8262-3.) J. Eiohard Reuter, connected with Chris Renter, aa-holesale vegetable shippers, NeAv Orleans. (Tr., 8564-5.) I object to the proposed plan because, under the proposed Perishable Tariff No. 1, the charges would be considerably higher than we are at present pay¬ ing on our class of business. (Tr., 8569.) C. M. Huber, representing tlie Mississippi Railroad Commission. (Tr., 8515.) Made certain mileage comparisons (Tr., 8527-8528, 8529, 8530 and 8531) in connection with refrigeration. On cross-examination he Avas asked: "You made some mileage comparisons. Have you made any analysis of the cost of service of refrig- 511 eration to the carriers, say, on tomatoes or cab¬ bages from California. Group A as compared with like service from IMississippi to a given destina¬ tion?" to which he answered: "No, sir." (Tr., 8557.) He also stated that he had no idea as to the cost of ice at the average initial point in California, Group A, or how that compares with the Crystal Springs price, or the average amounts of initial icing, except that he thought it would be the same in both cases. (Tr., 8559.) A. W. Kalb, manager of the Danbury Fruit Com¬ pany, also of the Danbury (111.) Company, at Danbury, Ohio; also traffic manager of the Ottawa Fruit Growers' Exchange at Port Clinton, Ohio (Tr., 5493), said: Exhibits from southern Illinois show a loss of flO to $12 a car, and it would be discrimination to allow that loss from one territory and less loss from another territory. (Tr., 5509.) Leoxaed Wat, rate clerk Public Utilities Commission of the State of Idaho. (Tr.," 1361.) This witness made comparisons of various kinds with respect to the refrigeration charges, and combined re¬ frigeration and freight charges, percentage increases, etc. On cross-examination he stated: I personally know nothing about the factors enter¬ ing into the cost of refrigeration service. (Tr., 1391.) I know nothing about any of the factors or cost going to make up any of the proposed refrigeration rates as contained in the Proposed Perishable Pro¬ tective Tariff No. 1. I don't know anything about the reasonableness or unreasonableness of any of the proposed rates contained in that tariff. (Tr., 1392.) 512 And on recross examination this testimony: Q. (By Mr. Westlake). You said that by com¬ paring the rates out of Idaho with rates from other points on a purely mileage distance basis, that your Idaho rates were comparatively more than they were from the other sections? A. Yes, sir. Q. You didn't take into consideration whether or not substantially similar circumstances and condi¬ tions obtained from the two respective territories ? A. No, I didn't take into consideration the various different conditions. (Pages 1411-1412.) R. L. Thompson, traffic manager of King's Food Prod¬ ucts Company. (Tr., 1650.) "Q. Well, what factors do you take into consider¬ ation in arriving at your conclusion that the rate is too high? A. From the fact that you have got to sell the goods for a certain price, and if you get the price of your transportation too high it necessi¬ tates placing the sale price of your product beyond the reach of the consumer, or that you are manu¬ facturing at a loss." Tr., 1657.) U. G. PowEix., rate expert for the Nebraska State Rail¬ way Commission. (Tr., 4214.) The object of page 7 of my Exhibit No. 1 was to show the adjustment of interstate rates from Group B points, California points to Nebraska stations, as compared with other states. So far as the mileage on this page is concerned, that is on an air-line basis, from winch I have gotten these comparisons. (Tr., 4278.) Those comparisons are of no avail unless you take into consideration the air-line mileages which I have shown on these pages. (Tr., 4279.) I don't knoAV what originates in Group B in Cal¬ ifornia, or Avhere it is. (Tr., 4281.) It is to be noted that the witness ' air-line mileage from Group B (Imperial Valley), in California, to NeAV York, is 2,250 miles, and it may be here sug¬ gested that the AAutness has materially narroAved the United States, and has anticipated by several years, at least, the method of_ transporting perishables in carloads from California to New York. 513 John F. Waddell, traffic manager for the Western Fruit Jobbers' Association. (Tr., 9432-3.) This witness made certain comparisons, based on distance, between refrigeration charges in Canada with those shown in the Proposed Tariff. (Tr., 9441 to 9443.) On cross-examination the witness stated that he had no ice cost figures for Vernon or Yakima, or any other point; he did not know the average ice consumption on a shipment from Vernon to Cal¬ gary, or between any of the points of origin and destination enumerated by him. (Tr., 9442-3.) C. A. Turnell, representing C. A. Watson & Sons, growers and shippers of apples at Chicago, Valley City and Nioga, 111. (Tr., 9479-80.) Objected to the proposed charges, but was unable to state the cost of the service between any of the points mentioned in his testimony. (Tr., 9485.) F. A. Jones, representing the Arizona Eailroad Com¬ mission. This witness based his conclusion that refriger¬ ation rates from northern California should be more than from Arizona because, as he claimed, the tem¬ peratures were nearly the same and the distance from Arizona was less. C. F. Morgan, produce shipper. (Tr., 796.) Objected to increase in rates because of effect on his business. (Tr., 801-2.) E. M. Weyl, member of Weyl, Zuckerman & Co., dealer in potatoes and onions. (Tr.^ 817.) This witness stated: I do not know anything about the reasonableness of these proposed refrigeration charges on our Cal¬ ifornia shipments. I do not pretend to say whether they are too high or too low, or unreasonable, but I am complaining at raising them. If you raise 514 these rates you may destroy an industry which we have huilt up here in California. (Tr., 820-21.) L. R. Aldekson, merchandise broker, operating a busi¬ ness called "The California Produce Distributors," located at Los Angeles. (Tr., 825.) This witness objected to an increase in refriger¬ ation charges because the potato yield is getting lighter; it has been attacked by very virulent forms of post and disease; that is accentuated by the con¬ tinuous use of the same soil, (Tr., 827.) T. G. Strachan, appearing for the Virginia State Cor¬ poration. (Tr., 7795.) One reason why I take the position that these refrigeration charges should not he increased is be¬ cause of the effect it Avould have upon the apple or other fruit industry in Virginia. Another position is the unreasonable charges. (Tr., 7807.) So that as to any apple shipments moving ont of the field, I am not prepared to say how much the initial icing will be in ponnds, or how mnch the re- icing at the initial point will be, nor am I prepared to say how many re-icings would he necessary be¬ tween Staunton and New York City, or how much ice would he supplied at any of the re-icing stations. That would he done by icing people, and I do not have that information, nor do I know what it would cost for the ice per ton at those re-icing stations in transit. I have no personal knowledge on the sub¬ ject. (Tr., 7809.) J. H. Tench, rate expert for the Florida Railroad Commission. This witness made certain distance comparisons on combined freight and refrigeration charges from California with those from Florida. On cross-ex¬ amination he stated: I haven't got the California freight rate with me. I don't know what the refrigeration or freight rate is from California to New York City. The com¬ parison is solely on a mileage basis. (Tr., 8099.) 515 Carl. Giessow, general manager of the New Orleans Joint Traffic Bureau. (Tr., 8591.) This witness stated: We don't want to pay a stated refrigeration charge that will inure to the benefit of a private car line. (Tr., 4608.) The Avitness also made compilations showing per¬ centage increases Avhich would result at New Orleans by placing that city on a stated charge basis (the cost of ice per ton basis noAV applying), as com¬ pared Avith cities where the stated charges now apply. (See Sheet 2 of GiessoAv Exhibit No. 1.) (Tr., 8593-4.) T. D. Guthrie, traffic manager of the Southern Whole¬ sale Grocers' Association. (Tr., 8402-3.) " In connection Avith this witness' statement that certain of the proposed charges were too high, he gave the folloAving testimony: Q. Now, you gave us three rates here: apples from Grand Junction, Col., to New Orleans, $80; cabbage from Grand Junction, Col., to New Orleans, $80; apples, Santa Fe to Noav Orleans, $65; cab¬ bage, Santa Fe to Ncav Orleans, $75, and apples from Fresno to Noav Orleans, $85, and cabbage, i'resno to Ncav Orleans, $80, and you commented upon the fact that in the first instance the two rates Avere the same; in the second instance the cabbage rate Avas the higher, and in the last instance the apple rate was the higher. Nova^, do you knoAV aa'hat the comparatiAm costs of the service of refrigeration on those commodities is from those given points of origin to those given destinations! A. No, I do not knoAv the exact cost. Q. Do you knoAA^ the approximate cost of the transportation of either commodity! A. No, I doubt if that is a matter of record. Q. No, I am not asking you Avhether it is a mat¬ ter of record, or whether it has been or will be de¬ veloped, but whether you knoAv! A. No, I do not know tlie costs. (Tr., 8418.) Tliese illustrations Avill suffice to show in a general 516 way the character of the average objections made by the, shippers to the proposed increases. We have not under¬ taken to quote all of the reasons given by all of the ship¬ pers why, in their opinion, the refrigeration rates should not be increased, but we unhesitatingly state, that in no instance, has any testimony by any of the shippers, or any of their witnesses, in any way tended to show that the cost to the carriers of performing the refrigeration service has been less than that shown by the various exhibits submitted on behalf of the carriers. With regard to the first ground of objection, namely, that the effect of the increase would be to hamper the shipper's business, it is sufficient to refer to the case of Siiperior Commercial Club v. Great Northern Railway Company, 25 I. C. C., 342, at page 348, where the Com¬ mission's decision is that the needs of shippers cannot be made the basis of reasonable rates. To the same effect is the Willamette Valley Lumber case, 219 U. S., 433. The objection that the charges are unreasonable in comparison with like charges from other territory, dis¬ tance considered, is easily answered by a simple refer¬ ence to the testimony to the effect that in many instances distance cuts a comparatively small figure in the cost of refrigeration service ; that cost will depend largely upon the temperature and other conditions surrounding the initial loading, the character of the commodity, the cost of ice at the loading point, the temperature encoun¬ tered en route and the cost of ice at the re-icing stations in transit. With regard to the third objection that the charges are unreasonable in comparison with what the shipper had theretofore paid, it seems to us that the objection answers itself. In other words, if what the shipper had theretofore paid is too low, a reasonable advance in 517 those charges would result in a present reasonable charge. The objection that the increases would add to the high cost of living is, obviously, not a valid reason why car¬ riers should not receive reasonable compensation for the service performed. It might just as well be said that no advance should have been made in the rate of wage or in the cost of materials generally, within the last year or two, because that would add to the high cost of liv¬ ing. Such an argument would not have met with a great deal of favor among the laboring classes or those who had materials or commodities to sell. Referring to the objection that the carriers should not be permitted to justify the proposed charges upon the 1919 cost of ice, we refer to what has been said upon this subject in a previous portion of this brief under the heading, "Cost of Ice." With respect to the position of some of the witnesses that the cost of ice basis is the proper one, we refer to a discussion of this subject in that portion of our brief under the caption, "Propriety of Stated Refrigeration Charges." Answering the contention that if the carriers show a loss in one territory, they should shoAV an equal loss in all territories, our reply is that the rates should be so made that no loss should be shown in any territory, but, that the rates should exceed the cost of the service by a margin sufficient to allow the carriers a reasonable amount for profit and hazard. Adverting to the contention of Mr. Jones, represent¬ ing the Arizona Railroad Commission, that refrigera¬ tion rates from northern California should be more than from Arizona, because, as he claimed, the temperatures Avere nearly the same and the distance from Arizona was 518 less, we have only to make reference to Dearborn's Ex¬ hibit No. 16 and Dearborn's Exhibit No. 11. Dearborn's Exhibit No. 16, covering cantaloupes from Arizona to Illinois, shows that the average amount of ice consumed per car was 33,450 lbs., and that the average cost of that ice was $100.14 per car. On the other band, Dear¬ born's Exhibit No. 11, which covers cantaloupes from northern California to Illinois, shows that the average amount of ice consumed per car was 31,387 lbs., and that the average cost of that ice per car was $56.43. Dear¬ born's Exhibit No. 16 further shows that the average total cost per car for refrigeration service on canta¬ loupes from Arizona to Illinois was $127.36, while the average total cost per car for refrigeration service on cantaloupes from northern California to Illinois was $89.06, or a difference of $38.30 per car. The proposed refrigeration charge per car from Arizona to Illinois is $125 and from northern California to Illinois $95, or a difference of $30. A great deal of evidence was introduced on behalf of shippers here to show the cost of producing and market¬ ing their commodities, for the purpose of proving that the margin of profit betAveen the cost of production and the sale price Avas so small, under the present refriger¬ ation charges, that an increase in the charges last re¬ ferred to AA'Ould mean a further reduction in profit and that this AA'ould result in crippling their industry or business, or woAild, as some shippers expressed it, "put them out of business." This character of testimony, AA'hen admitted in eAudence, Avas over our objection to its materiality. We still insist upon that objection. It Avill, of course, he unfortunate, and much to he regretted, if the proposed increases actually result in serious in¬ jury to any business or industry of any of the shippers, but Ave cannot bring ourselves to believe, in view of the 519 extremely liigli prices wliicli tlie producers are receiving for their commodities, that the addition of a few dollars per carload in the refrigeration charges will, to any ap¬ preciable extent, atfect the business or the industries of any of the shippers interested in this case. It has been our experience in nearly every rate case, whether deal¬ ing Avith freight rates or refrigeration charges, that a similar claim has been ihade by the shippers, but it has also been our observation that ■ AA^henever the carriers Ave re fortunate enough to receive an increase in their rates business went on just the same, and, in fact, pro¬ gressed just as rapidly, if not more rapidly, than it had before. We might also observe that it has been our uniform experience that when the freight rates have been increased to the producers, the retail prices in¬ creased in greater proportion than the rate increase would seem to justify. In other words, the producer passed the increase on to the retailer, plus a reasonable or unreasonable profit, and the retailer in turn added a little more profit to that. In justice to some of the shippers who appeared in this case, we might say that some of them admitted that we should have some increase in our refrigeration charges, although not to the extent claimed. Among these witnesses were T. Gl. Strachan, representing the Virginia State Corporation (Tr., 7817) ; C. M. Huber, appearing for the Mississippi Kailroad Commission; Leonard Way, rate clerk Public Utilities Commission of the State of Idaho (Tr., 1361), who at pages 1404 and 1405 of the transcript said that Avith the increased cost of ice at certain stations he would naturally expect that there should be a very material increase in the re¬ frigeration charges on shipments that might be iced or re-iced at those points, as between 1913 and 1918 or 1919 refrigeration charges, although he added that the 520 ad\'arjces should perhaps be measured by the ability of the industry to pay it. He further stated that if the refrigeration rates were reasonable in 1913, he would say that perhaps they are entitled to some advances, provided that tliey are not now carried in the trans¬ portation charge. The Avitness, Feed Bremier, director Hivision of Utilities for the Board of Railroad Commis¬ sioners of the State of North Dakota (Tr., 3706), admit¬ ted that the carriers should have some measure of in¬ crease, but that he did not know to what extent, and therefore, that they Avere not opposing all of the pro¬ posed charges. The witness, W. H. Young, manager of the Fremont Traffic Bureau and traffic manager of the Nebraska-IoAAm Wholesale Fruit Dealers' Association, as well as other organizations, and representing the Iowa Fruit Jobbers' Association (Tr., 4374), testified that it aa'as probable that the carriers were entitled to some increase at the present time (Tr., 4434). Witness, F. S. Keiser, traffic manager of the Duluth Commercial Club (Tr., 4438), stated that if the original or former stated refrigeration charges as now in effect, are all right, then the proposed increase of 33J per cent would not be enough, taking into consideration the advances which have been made in the cost of materials and labor. (Tr., 4484.) We believe that when even the shippers will admit that the carriers are entitled to some increase, this goes a long Avay toAvards justifying the measure of the increase asked by the carriers. The average percentage of in¬ crease the country OA^er is far less than the average per¬ centage of increase in cost of materials and labor gen¬ erally. The cost of ice and the cost of labor make up the major portion of the cost of performing re¬ frigeration service. Admittedly, the percentage in¬ crease in tlie cost of these factors largely exceeds the 521 percentage increase which the carriers are asking with respect to the proposed refrigeration charges in Sec¬ tion 2 of the tariff, with the possible exception that where the present charges are on the cost of ice basis, the percentage increase is comparatively large. Obvi¬ ously, this is due to the fact that where the basis is that of cost of ice per ton, the carriers are not receiving any compensation for any factor other than the bare cost of the ice. They are not being remunerated, either for haulage of ice, supervision, damage to refrigeration devices or switching of cars to and from ice platforms, nor are they being allowed anything for profit or any¬ thing to cover hazard. When these factors are added to the increased cost of ice, it necessarily follows that the percentage increase is great. A comparison, there¬ fore, of the percentage increase, applicable to a now published stated charge, with the percentage increase to the bare cost of ice alone, affords no proper criterion by which to judge the reasonableness of the two per¬ centage increases. It might be well in passing to note that, in connec¬ tion with the refrigeration of perishables from New Orleans, the comparisons made in the percentage in¬ crease between that district and other districts, are not at all fair, because the cost of ice to the New Orleans shipper is not his sole cost in connection with his refrig¬ erated shipments. It was testified that those shipments are handled on this basis : the commission broker at New Orleans figures up what the ice is going to cost, what the cartage will be, what the freight charges will be, what the loading charges will be, and what all other expenses will amount to, and then adds them all to¬ gether and then superimposes a profit, and finally quotes a given rate per package to the shipper to cover all of these charges or expenses, plus a profit. (Tr., 8579.) 522 It cannot be said, therefore, that the increased cost to the New Orleans shipper will, in any Avay, be represented by the difference between the present cost of ice per car on his carload shipments and the stated charge set forth in the Proposed Tariff. There is nothing in the record that will enable us to compute the exact difference. An endeavor was made to develop this feature upon cross- examination of the New Orleans shippers, but either be¬ cause of inability or unwillingness on their part to fur¬ nish the information, the effort failed. It is also well to call particular attention to the fact that the shippers of 85 per cent of the peach production of Georgia are satisfied with the proposed refrigeration rates applicable from Georgia. Those rates are now in effect. In this connection we refer to the following tes¬ timony : B. J. Christman : I live in Atlanta. I am now and have been since June 1, 1919, manager of the Georgia Fruit Ex¬ change. My duties or functions are looking after the distribution of peach shipments. That organiza¬ tion represents the shippers of about 85 per cent of the peaches from the state. (Tr., 7583-4.) Peaches from Georgia are practically all shipped in refrigerator cars under refrigeration. There is a very small movement by express. I should say that the movement in box cars or not under re¬ frigeration is practically negligible. Our peach shipments move in the latter part of May, June, July and August. The principal peach producing sections of the State of Georgia are between Ameri¬ cas, Ga., and Macon ; between Cohimbus and Ft. Val¬ ley, between Williamson and Ft. Valley and between Macon and Athens. Those shipments extending over the period from May to August are all from the orchards. A conservative estimate of the annual average carload peach production in Georgia, I shoidd say, would be around 6,000 cars. (Tr., 7584.) In 1918 the production was approximately 8,300 523 carloads, and this year (1919) approximately 7,500 carloads. Our shippers are interested to a small extent in the production of peaches in South Caro¬ lina, around Meriwether and Clark's Hill. The average annual production in carloads in South Carolina of the shippers whom I represented would be possibly fifty. Those fifty cars represent ap¬ proximately 50 per cent of the annual carload move¬ ments of peaches out of South Carolina or originat¬ ing in South Carolina. The representative markets reached by the shipments of peaches originating in Georgia are as follows: In the East, they are Baltimore, Philadelphia, New York, Providence, Boston, Pittsburgh, Syra¬ cuse, Wilkesbarre, Scranton, Buffalo, Albany, Sche¬ nectady; these are the principal markets; of course, we do ship into a great many markets, but they are all small ones with the exceptions of those named. (Tr., 7585, Vol. XXXVI.) For the West they are, Chicago, St. Louis, Mil¬ waukee, some to Minneapolis and St. Paul, Indian¬ apolis, Cleveland, Detroit, Toledo, Columbus, Ohio, and there are a number of others but they are small. (Tr., 7585.) Carload shipments of peaches originating in Geor¬ gia and moving under refrigeration move under the stated charge basis. (Tr., 7585-7586.) The charges under which those shipments are now moving* have been in effect since May 15, 1919. They are the same charges as those set forth in Proposed Perishable Protective Tariff No. 1. Both the Georgia Fruit Exchange and myself, and the shippers I represent, are satisfied with those charges under present con¬ ditions. I am satisfied with the rate on cantaloupes set forth in the proposed tariff on cantaloupes, which is made uniformly $5 greater than the stated charge applicable to peaches. (Tr., 7586-7587.) There is a difference in the amount of ice required for icing cantaloupes. I feel that that |5 charge is very closely justified by the difference in the amount of ice supplied alone. (Tr., 7587.) A very exhaustive cross-examiuation was conducted by Mr. DeVane, which developed how the rates now iii 524 effect in Georgia (and whicli are those appearing in the proposed tariff) were arrived at as a compromise be¬ tween the Administration and Mr. Christman. This tes¬ timony will be found on pages 7587 to 7600, inclusive of the transcript. On redirect examination the Avitness stated: "While at the time these rates AA'ere compromised I felt that the charges finally agreed upon were about $1.50 too much, subsequent conditions have changed my mind with respect to that on account of the in¬ creased cost of ice, due, perhaps, to a larger crop than was anticipated; at least as it applies to this year's crop, we could very well have added that $1.50." (Tr., 7602.) As peaches are the principal refrigerated perishable moving from Georgia it would seem that, in vieAV of the testimony of Mr. Christman, no possible doubt can re¬ main as to the reasonableness of the charges proposed in the tariff with respect to Georgia traffic. Attention is also directed to the fact that a tentatwe report, favorable to the carriers, has been rendered in the case of Wisconsin <& Michigan Fruit é Vegetable Jobbers' Association v. Ahnctpee S Western Railwag Company, I. C. C., 10020. That case was set down for trial on the same date for which the hearing in this case at Chicago was set. The testimony produced in both cases was practically the same. In fact, the same wit¬ nesses testified and submitted the same exhibits in both cases. In case No. 10020, the refrigeration rates involved were those applicable from Chicago to points in Wiscon¬ sin and the Upper Peninsula of Michigan and to Duluth, Minn., and from St. Paul and Minneapolis, Minn., to the northwestern section of Wisconsin and to Duluth. While the rates in the proposed tariff arc slightly higher than those lander attack in case 10020, they still are amply justified by the cost of tlie service, as demonstrated by 525 the evidence of the witnesses, A. F. Cleveland and 0. M. Stevens. Certain of the refrigeration rates from points in Michigan and from Florida are in effect, and have been since early in 1919, but it has been agreed by the Fruit Growers' Express that, if the Commission should find that those rates are too high, reparation will be volun¬ tarily made down to the basis found reasonable by the Commission. Conclusions as to Section Two. - In conclusion, as to Section Two of the tariff, the car¬ riers cannot too strongly urge upon the Commission their firm conviction, not only that the proposed rates are not unreasonably high, but that in most instances they are unreasonably low. Throughout the greater part of the United States, where stated charges have been in effect, those charges have remained stationary for many years, or have been reduced, while the cost of materials and labor has increased to an extent almost beyond be¬ lief, and certainly beyond all measure of anticipation. Refrigeration service has been performed for compensa¬ tion which was measured by the cost of a decade ago or longer. The dollar then received was worth approxi¬ mately double its value to-day. Every factor entering into the cost of refrigeration service has advanced. Ice prices have gone up, and will probably never get back to where they were as late as 1917. Labor constitutes a large part of the cost of ice, and there is no immediate hope of its early return to its former level. It costs more to haul ice, due to increased costs of transporta¬ tion generally. This again is due to enhanced cost of labor and materials incident to the transportation serv¬ ice. Likewise supervision, switching and bunker dam¬ age represent a greater monetary outlay due to in- 526 creased cost of labor and materials. It costs more to clean refrigerator cars than formerly. The hazard is greater, due to enhanced value of the perishable com¬ modities. In view of these undeniable facts, it seems almost in¬ credible that anyone can come to any conclusion but that the proposed rates do not represent any undue increase ; in fact the conclusion is almost irresistible that the car¬ riers could, with the best of grace, insist upon a still greater measure of increase. In this connection we di¬ rect the attention of the Commission to the testimony of the witness, JoH]sr B. Scott, manager of the Fruit Growers' Express. This company has long been in business. For many years it has been an important factor in the movement of perishables under refrigera¬ tion. It has a large investment devoted to this service. But notwithstanding all this the Fruit Growers' Express will retire from business at the expiration of its present contracts, and this determination would not be influenced even by an increase in the proposed rates. We quote from Mr. Scott's testimony as follows; "Now, as far as this being a profitable business is concerned, our company has already decided, two ■weeks ago, to retire from the business because of the fact that it is not profitable, and the Fruit Gro-wers Express will go out of the business just as quick as their various contracts can be taken care of, which means that we wdll not operate anywhere in the country next season except on the Atlantic Coast Line, Seaboard Air Line and the Florida East Coast, and on those roads simply because we have con¬ tracts which we have already canceled, but which the cancellation does not apply on until November next year. Examiner Marshall: You mean you have— The AVitness : AVe have decided to go out of busi¬ ness finally. Examiner Marshall : A"oi; mean you have re- 527 scinded the contracts etïective November when, 1920? The AVitness : Our Atlantic Coast Line and Sea¬ board Air Line contracts provide that we would ex¬ tend an 18-months notice of cancellation. That no¬ tice was extended I think in June; June or May; or whenever extended the 18 months would take in No¬ vember some time, 1920, so that on November 20th, or whatever the date of it would be, Ave will be out of business. (Tr., 4045 and 4046.) Q. (By Examiner Marshall) : AVhy is your com¬ pany proposing to retire from business! A. The real reason, Mr. Examiner, is that we feel conditions noAV are entirely different in the fruit car business than they Avere when we first entered the business. AA'hen we first entered the business a car of peaches generally speaking was worth around |500. A car of oranges Avas Avorth around $300, and all other commodities in proportion. Conditions have changed to such an extent that oranges uoav in¬ stead of being worth $300, are worth anywhere from $1,500 to $2,500, and as high as $3,000. A car of peaches is worth anywhere from $1,500 to $2,500. The hazard of the business is so great that we feel that Ave could not possibly stay in business any longer at the proposed increase in rates, or ev^en if the rates- Avere increased beyond what is pro¬ posed. I spent two months personally handling the Geor¬ gia peach crop this season, something like 7,700 cars. All of that moved in a very few weeks. AA^e had to go as far south as the loAver part of Florida, all points south of the Ohio and east of the Mis¬ sissippi, to get enough ice to take care of this busi¬ ness. If we had failed we stood in the position of probably losing as much in tAvo days as we could make out of the business under the most faA'orable circumstances in twenty years. In other words, we stood a chance of losing as much as a half a mil¬ lion dollars a night, and we just did get by with it due to the ice situation. If we had failed why our profits, if there A'^re any, would be eaten up for years. So the minute I got back I told them we Avere sitting on a volcano, and as far as I Avas concerned, 528 that I would never go to (joorgia again and under¬ take to handle that business at any kind of a rate. Now as far as these Michigan rates being too high, they are certainly low in my opinion, considering the great risk taken by the companies undertaking to handle them. Q. These potential losses would have been in¬ curred under your contract with the railroad com¬ panies or under your— A. They would have been incurred under our contract with the railroads, and when we take our¬ selves out of the situation the railroad will of course be in the same position that we were. The railroad will either have to furnish the service itself and take that risk, or the railroad will have to get some private car line to come in and take the same risk. But in any event, of course, the railroad stands be¬ fore the shipper as responsible for this loss. It is more than an estimate. We have paid out thou¬ sands of dollars due to the failure to get cars. AVe failed to have cars two days in North Carolina and it cost us $100,000." (Tr., 4054 and 4056.) The foregoing testimony was given at Chicago in Au¬ gust, 1919. AATien an attack on the refrigeration rates was made at the Atlanta hearing in September, Mr. Scott gave the following testimony; "Q. I would like to have your general conclu¬ sion, Mr. Scott, as to the reasonableness of the stated refrigeration charge in the section as stated in the proposed tariff. A. I think the charges proposed in the tariff are entirely too low based on the costs that confront us. The company which I represent feels so strongly that there is absolutely no possibility of getting a new dollar for an old one that the management has finally and positively determined to go out of busi¬ ness, and Ave will not operate in Georgia next sea¬ son or any future season, neither will we operate in any other section of the country after the ap¬ proaching season, and our operations for the ap¬ proaching season will be limited absolutely to the various lines in Florida, points on the Atlantic Coast Line and Seaboard Air Line in South Carolina and 529 North Carolina. We will not operate in the Nor¬ folk territory, the Peninsula or in Georgia, Ten¬ nessee, Alabama, or Mississippi, after this season and nowhere after the season of 1919-20. There is one more season in the territory that I have stated. Q. Have the measure of the rates and the hazard of the business anything to do with determination of your company to retire from business? A. Our management feel that the conditions are so ditferent since we first went into this business that they are not justified in building additional equipment at the excessive present costs or of go¬ ing into the ice business as we feel the future re¬ quires. The hazards of the business under present conditions are so much greater than they were under the old normal conditions that the management feel very strongly that instead of prices going down that would atïect this service they will probably go still higher, and we simply feel that the business is not an attractive business to invest additional money in or to stay in, unless you are absolutely obligated to do so, which we are not. We further feel that there has been so much op¬ position from certain quarters to our rates and what we think are foolish ideas of our profits that it has kind of got on our nerves when we are doing a good part of this business at a loss, and we are sick and tired of defending charges of this kind. Q. You have spoken of the hazard of the business. Do you refer exclusively to the hazard which is in¬ cident to the refrigeration service, or have you in¬ cluded in that any part of the hazard due to the transportation service! A. Obviously we have only included the hazard that is incident to the furnishing of the refrigeration service." (Tr., 7632-7634.) 530 SECTION THREE. BULE 300. This rule provides for the application of stated re¬ plenishing charges for ice and/or sale upon the com¬ modities therein described, within a certain territory heretofore pointed out. Shippers' Vieivs. No specific objection appears in the record except that voiced by the witness C. A. Turnell, who said in sub¬ stance : "As we have facilities to properly refrigerate our shipments through to destination, taking this privilege away from us carries with it an element of discrimination in view of the proposed Eules No. 300 and No. 312 as applied to packing-house prod¬ ucts." Answer. In answer to this objection, we are content to rely upon the principles established in I. C. C. Docket I. & S. 514 dealing with westbound replenishing charges. BULE 312. (A) Shippers must declare in writing to initial car¬ rier at loading station if car is to be initially iced by shipper or by carrier, and whether to be re-iced en route, or handling without icing. (See paragraph (G) of Rule 300.) (B) If salt is desired, shipper must specify per¬ centage. (C) Such instructions shall appear on shipping or¬ der and on bill of lading over the signature of the ship- 531 per, and the same must be endorsed by forwarding agent on original waybill. Shippers' Views. AVitness E. O'Haba: The packers, generally speaking, are required to per¬ form the initial icing service in all cases, and usually are performing such service in connection with their pri¬ vately owned brine cars (which type of car is not gener¬ ally supplied by the carriers) and we can see no reason wh}^ W'O should be required to declare in writing to the initial carrier the fact that the car is to be initially iced by us. (Tr., 6635.) Answer. Carriers would now state that the reason why they de¬ sire from shippers the information mentioned by wit¬ ness O'Hara is to enable them to perform the service of icing properly in the event that the shippers have not elected to do the initial icing themselves. Propriety of Westbound Keplenishing Charge. In a previous portion of this brief (pages 14, 15), we have set out the commodities to which Section 3 of the tariff applies and the territory within which the charges set forth in that section are applicable. In general these charges may be said to apply on fresh meat, packing-house products, fish, shell fish and dairy freight and the territory may be briefly described as that cov¬ ered by shipments westbound from the Missouri Eiver. There was no serious objection on the part of those shippers whose connnodlties moved subject thereto, to the principle of the westbound rei)lenishing charge. It is true that some of the packers did state that they 532 tlioiiglit tlie cost of ice per ton and salt per one hundred pounds, was the proper basis, but their conclusions were based largely upon what they claimed to be the incon¬ sistency of the Commission in the Westbound Replen¬ ishing Charges Case, I. & S. 514, 34 I. C. C., 140. Their contention in this respect is that the Commission found that the freight rate was sufficiently high to include everything, except the furnishing of the re-icing in transit. It is true that the Commission found this to be a fact as to shipments which were initially iced by the shipper and were not re-iced in transit, but the Commis¬ sion further found as to shipments that were re-iced in transit that the freight rate was not sufficient to include a certain amount of supervision or the switching neces¬ sary in performing the re-icing or the haulage of the ice furnished in transit. There is to our mind no incon¬ sistency in these findings. As to the propriety of the principle of stated replen¬ ishing charges in connection with Section 3, we are con¬ tent to rely on the decision of the Commission in I, & S. 514. It is upon the principles therein set forth and the factors of expense there specified, that the exhibits sub¬ mitted by our witnesses in this case in justification of the charges set forth in Section 3 have been prepared. Measure of Westbound Replenishing Charge. As previously stated, the exhibits submitted by our witnesses, in justification of the stated westbound replen¬ ishing charges in Section 3, were prepared in accord¬ ance with the rules laid down and the factors enumer¬ ated by the Commission in I. & S. 514. liv. C. Dearborn, general agent of the Pacific Fruit Ex¬ press Company, Chicago, Illinois (Tr., 2058), Geo. H. Nelson, manager of the refrigerator department of the 533 Atchison, ïopeka & Santa Fe Eailroad (Tr., 2135), and Geo. R. Merkitt, general agent of the refrigerator serv¬ ice department of the Northern Pacific Railroad (Tr., 1158), submitted exhibits in support of the reasonable¬ ness of the charges proposed in connection with Section 3 of the tariff. Dearhorn Exhibit No. 36 covers various commodities from the Missouri River territory, namely. Council Blutïs, Omaha, St. Joseph and Kansas City, moving Avest, all under replenishing charges, to the States of California, Oregon and Washington. (Tr., 2061.) The basis of this exhibit is stated by the witness as follows : Exhibit 36 is the westbound replenishing charge. The Interstate Commerce Commission in I. & S. Docket 514, which was tried some years ago, ren¬ dered a decision wherein they made an allowance of $4.21 for the haulage of ice Avestbound, that figure being the difference between the amounts of ice hauled on cars which AAmre not re-iced in transit and cars which were re-iced in transit; the contention being that on cars which were not re-iced in transit the freight rate covered all the items of expense. It figured out, I believe, 1,940 pounds was the amount of ice hauled. The Commission further found that in the application of the $5 per car charge in the Ar¬ lington Heights case, or from California points to Chicago, that the distance Avas somewhat greater than it was in this particular instance. They took the position that the rate of $4.35 per ton would be a reasonable charge per ton for haulage of ice, in this particular instance, which gives a figure of $4.21. In making up my exhibit I found that the actual amount of ice hauled in bunkers is somewhat in ex¬ cess of the amounts as shown in the exhibits pre¬ sented in I. & S. 514. However, in order to get the same relative figure it would also be necessary, I believe, to figure out all the cars moved not re-iced in transit, and make a subtraction of the two, and I figured by taking this $4.21 that I was playing per¬ fectly fair, and I used that amount rather than to 534 go to tlie extra work of figuring out the amounts on all the cars which were not interested in this hearing. I might say further that we used the $3.33 super¬ vision expense in this westbound charge. In I. & S. 514 we assumed and felt that we showed that the supervision expense was $3 per car. The Commis¬ sion in that instance allowed us 5/6ths of $3 per car, or $2.50, and I therefore in this same exhibit took 5/6ths of the $4 charge which we are contending is correct at present, which made $3.33, and I used that figure. (Tr., 2068-9.) That exhibit covers all cars, not only those origi¬ nating at the points enumerated, but also those moving through St. Joe, Kansas City, Omaha and Council Bluffs, in the year 1918. (Tr., 2085.) This exhibit shows a net loss to the carrier of an aver¬ age of $4.70 per car, by comparing the expense with the revenue under the proposed tariff. Due to the fact that the witness was supplied with an erroneous ice cost at Milford, Utah, it was necessary to refigure the exhibit on the correct ice cost at that point. A supplement exhibit was therefore submitted by the witness under "Dearborn Exhibit 36-A." (Tr., 5700 and 5702.) This exhibit changes the result from $4.70 to $4.47 net loss per car on the average. (Tr., 5703.) Nelson Exhibit No. 29 covers the entire movement of transcontinental westbound business for the first fifteen days of each month for the fruit year November, 1917, to October 31, 1918. This is the westbound replenishing charge. It covers all of the cars moving via the Santa Fe Kail- Avay for the first fifteen days of each month for the year. I didn't have time to work up the whole year's business. (Tr., 2137.) I make a switching charge on the system lines bnt not on the foreign lines. (Tr., 2138.) The only difference in the items chargeable so far as I. & S. Docket 514 is concerned is the item of supervision, $3.33 versus $2.50, and 35 cents per switch versus 25 cents per switch. The ice haulage 535 is based absolutely on the decision in I. & S. Docket 514:. There were 34 cars, so far as the Santa Fe was concerned that moved billed "Do not re-ice in transit" with an average bnnker capacity of 9,582 pounds, and in arriving at the haulage of 1,777 pounds I deducted from the average amount hauled on the cars being re-iced, at the regular icing sta¬ tions, the amount that would be hauled in connection with these cars billed "Do not re-ice," with the re¬ sult that we show here 1,770 pounds hauled at the rate of 20.21 cents per hundredweight. This exhibit shows an excess of the refrigeration revenue on an average per car of $1.09 over the items properly chargeable against the service. Of the 223 cars shown 30 had destinations in Arizona, 191 in Cali¬ fornia, and 2 in Oregon. (Tr., 2138-9.) The com¬ modities are all of those which would come under Section 3 of the tariff, principally packing-house products and some eggs. (Tr., 2139-40.) Merritt Exhibit No. 42 shows the initial, ear number and amount of ice and salt furnished westbound refriger¬ ated carload shipments moving during the year 1918 and cost of ice and salt on the year 1919 basis from St. Paul, Minn., to Butte, Mont., and to Spokane and Seattle, AVash. These shipments moved subject to westbound re¬ plenishment charges under Section 3 of the proposed The average cost of ice and salt per car (plus allow¬ ance for ice haulage, switching and supervision) as com¬ pared with the proposed charge in the tariff on cars mov¬ ing to the three destinations named are as follows: tariff. Origin Destination St. Paul to Butte Cost of Service Proposed Per Car Charge $23.47 $20.00 St. Paul to Spokane St. Paul to Seattle 31.35 60.42 32.50 32.50 The items of ice haulage and supervision are computed on the basis of I. & S. Docket 514, that is, ice haulage is figured only on the ice furnished in transit and the su- 536 I)ervision is arrived at by taking the $2.50 per car allowed in I. & S. 514 and increasing it one-third because of in¬ crease of cost of labor, etc., since that decision was ren¬ dered by the Commission. The item of switching is figured upon the basis of 35 cents per SAvitch (to and from the icing platform) in accordance with the basis almost uniformly adopted by the witnesses in the present proceeding. (Tr., 8309- 8310.) These exhibits are admittedly representative of the movement of commodities under Section 3. In fact no question has been raised either as to whether the ex¬ hibits are representative or as to whether they correctly reflect the cost of the service. As they religiously fol¬ low the Commission's decision in I. & S. 514, we need only summarize them, as follows : Average Cost of Average Proposed Exhibit Service per car Revenue per car Dearborn Ño. 36-A $36.97 $32.50 Nelson No. 29 31.09 32.14 Merritt No. 42: St. Paul to Butte 23.47 20.00 St. Paul to Spokane 31.35 32.50 St. Paul to Seattle 60.42 32.50 These figures amply demonstrate that the proposed charges in no instance allow a sufficient margin for hazard or profit and in most instances result in a cost of service in excess of the proposed reA^enue under Sec¬ tion 3 of the tariff. 537 SECTION FOUE. RULE 400. This rule provides for the application of the charges shown in Section 4 and governs services of icing and re- icing, except when such service is included within the stated charges applicable as provided in Sections 2, 3, and 6 of the tariff and describes the commodities to which Section 4 is applicable. Shippers' Vieics. Witness B. W. Edwaeds: Page 515, Eule 400, A-3. This is in Section 4 and reads : "For all ice or salt supplied by carrier or car line, not included within the stated charges provided in Sec¬ tions 2, 3 or 6, when specific rules in such sections make reference to this section ; charges for ice or salt supplied by carrier or car line shall be on the follomng basis ; ' ' and then it goes on and gives the basis of the charge. We ask for an exception to that rule reading somewhat as follows : "On fish or other perishable freight"—now, I have no particular other freight in mind, perishable freight. I could limit it to fish. As far as my interests are con¬ cerned, or my position in this case, I will limit it to fish—"on fish or freight moving in carloads on the car¬ load minimum basis of third class or hither, except as noted, the carrier will make no extra charge in excess of the freight rate for the ice or salt used in initial icing or re-icing between origin and destination as covered by this tariff," or words to that effect. Q. Just what do you mean by that? What is the 538 actual effect of that exception, or what will be the actual effect? What change will it work from the present prac¬ tice? A. The actual effect is that at the present time on carloads of fish moving on the carload minimum, there is no charge in C. F. A. or Trunk Line territory for the icing or re-icing. The effect of this taritï is to assess that charge on carloads of fish moving on the car¬ load minimum. Q. You want to take fish out of the provisions of this tariff so far as those charges are concerned? A. That is it, exactly. (Tr., 4523-24-25.) Carloads of fish move in C. F. A. territory, and Trunk Line territory. On the basis of third class minimum of 24,000 pounds the icing charge has been absorbed for 32 years. It is in every respect a carload movement. (Tr., 4525.) There has been no icing charge in addition to the rate. Xo one knows anything about the history except from the records. (Tr., 4526.) Witness E. O'Haea. We do not object to the payment of a minimum charge for icing. There are many cars that are re-iced only with ice and many others that are re-iced with both ice and salt. The average amount of ice used on our meat traffic the year round at each icing station is 800 pounds ; the amount of salt used in connection with such re-icings varies from 7 to 12 per cent—the average would be 10 per cent. The justification set forth by the refrigera¬ tion committee in memorandum dated Chicago, 111., No¬ vember, 1918, headed "Eegarding Preliminary Proof of Perishable Freight Tariff No. 1," is as follows: "The carriers are subject to a certain expense for the switching, placing, supervision, inspection and liandling of every car requiring re-icing service, re- 539 gardless of how small a quantity of ice and/or salt may be required. This, therefore, in certain cases where only small quantities of ice may be furnished will make a material increase in the charge per car, but in many such cases if on basis of the actual weight of ice and/or salt furnished per car, the car¬ riers would not receive compensation for the actual cost of services performed." Surely there is nothing in this justification that would warrant the assessment of a double minimum, if the minimum charge is sufficient and no doubt it is, to cover a case where ice alone is used, where salt in addition to ice is used a separate minimum should not be assessed, as the one minimum is reasonable alone where ice alone is furnished. We don't know why any different minimum should attach to the butterine and oleomargarine than attaches to butter and other dairy products. (Tr., 6635- 36.) Answer. With regard to the objections made by the witness E. O'Hara, attention is called to the fact that an amend¬ ment is proposed to Kule 400 whereby a minimum charge for 1,000 pounds of ice will be made, but that the salt will be charged for on the actual weight. The above modification is shown in the letter in the behalf of carriers addressed to the examiner under date of October 23, 1919, in Appendix A. RULE 410. When shipper performs the initial icing at loading point, it will be at his expense and the carriers will as¬ sume no responsibility or liability whatever for the ade¬ quacy or efficiency of such initial icing nor for the pro¬ tection of the freight at loading point, nor between load¬ ing point and first re-icing station. 540 Witness R. O 'Haea : We will be compelled to initially ice many cars of cheese moving from points within Official Classification to points within Official Classification in quantities of 15,000 pounds or over, under which movement the rates include the expense of refrigeration, as found by the Commission in I. C. C. Docket 7969 ; and this rule should he modified to take care of cases where the shipper is to be reimbursed for the initial icing on dairy products in quantities of 15,000 pounds or over, where less-than- carload or any-quantity rates are paid or only the freight rate and the refrigeration rate is segregated from the current rate which includes both services. (Tr., 6636- 37.) Answer. The carriers submit that they have amply shown by their testimony and exhibits of record in this case that the freight rates proper cover only the haulage serv¬ ice and do not include the cost of furnishing accessorial services such as refrigeration or icing to either carload or less-than-carload shipments. RULE 415. When carrier performs the initial icing, if shipper de¬ lays iced car at loading point more than twenty-four (24) hours from time such cars are set for loading, the carriers will not be liable for any loss or damage occur¬ ring through failure to re-ice such cars at loading point and/or between loading point and first regular re-icing station. 541 Shippers' Views. AVitness J. Cuetis Robinson : AAHien a carrier performs the icing service at loading point and the shipper delays a car beyond 24 honrs from the time car was placed for loading, he should pay for such additional ice as may be necessary (at a reasonable cost) to protect the load to first re-icing point. . This should in no way relieve the carrier of his duty to per¬ form the re-icing service at loading point; neither should it modify the carriers' liability under so-called protective service proposed in Perishable Taritf No. 1 for the charges which are proposed. (Tr., 2493.) Ansiver. The witness J. Cuetis Robinson is not interested in Rule 415 as commodities handled by the shippers rep¬ resented by him move under Section 2 of the tariff and the situation to which he refers is covered by Rule 215 Avhich has been heretofore fully discussed in this brief. Principle of Cost of Ice Per Ton and Salt Per Hundredweight Basis. AVe have heretofore set out the commodities which are subject to this basis and the territory in which the same applies. AVe have also stated that there were no objec¬ tions to this basis, and that the shippers of other com¬ modities would prefer to have their shipments move un¬ der this section. They also claimed that it was discrim¬ inatory to permit the commodities therein described to remain subject to this basis, while denying that privi¬ lege to other commodities. Considerable testimony was given by witnesses representing shippers of commodi¬ ties now described in Section 4, in support of their con¬ tention that there are vital differences surrounding the movement of their products and those relating to fruits. 542 berries, vegetables and melons, which are subject to the provisions of Section 2. Among these witnesses were R. O'Hara, who is employed in the transportation de¬ partment of Swift & Company (Tr., 6566) ; W. W. Man- ker, assistant traffic manager of Armour & Company (Tr., 8862) ; E. Mcöivebist, connected with Bowman & Company; R. R. Hargis, assistant traffic manager for Wilsón & Company (Tr., 9026) ; W. T. Hickerson, in the transportation department of Morris & Company (Tr., 9387) and C. 0. Cornwell, assistant traffic manager of the Cudahy Packing Company. These witnesses ap¬ peared at the supplementary hearing in this proceeding at Chicago. Up to the conclusion of the first hearing at Chicago very little criticism, if any, had been directed to the fact that packing-house products and dairy freight had been made subject to the provisions of Section 4. At the New York and the Atlanta hearings, however, certain shippers of fruits and vegetables voiced their protests against their commodities being made subject to a stated refrigeration charge under Section 2, while packing-house products and dairy freight were permit¬ ted to move on the cost of ice per ton and salt per hun¬ dred pound basis. At the Atlanta hearing the examiner in charge of this case asked whether or not any of the exhibits filed in the record showed the quantity of the ice used in reicing packing-house products from Chicago to the East or to the South, or the prices paid for ice at various reicing points ; and wanted to know why the rec¬ ord did not contain that informatio]i. Counsel for the Administration stated that the question had never sug¬ gested itself to his mind, and that he thought that the issue was as to the measure of the tariff charges shown in Section 4 (Tr., 7694 to 7696), but that if any informa¬ tion was desired along that line an endeavor would be made to sui)ply it. Further discussion was had on this 543 subject resulting in a request on the part of the exam¬ iner that the Eailroad Administration prepare data of the character indicated, and have it ready for presen tation at a later hearing. Accordingly Examiner Wm. V. King and Mr. W. H. Wharton, special service agent of the Nashville, Chattanooga & St. Louis Eailway, immedi¬ ately proceeded to develop so far as possible the amount of ice used and the cost thereof on representative ship¬ ments of packing-house products and dairy freight. One of the counsel for the Administration got in touch with the principal packers and shippers of dairy freight at Chicago and enlisted their co-operation in the prepara¬ tion of the data requested by the examiner. The result was that when the supplemental hearing was held at Chicago, the witnesses whose names have heretofore been enumerated, including Mr. Wharton, but excluding Examiner King, presented a number of exhibits showing the required data. The time allowed, however, for the preparation of the data and the compilation of the ex¬ hibits was so short that it is doubtful that the exhibits are at all representative; particularly in so far as dairy freight traffic under refrigeration is concerned. The Commission has before it, however, such information as has been furnished by the witnesses named and as is shown by the exhibits submitted, and may, of course, make such recommendation with respect thereto as it may be advised. Some explanation is perhaps due as to the reasons which actuated the committee which formulated the tar¬ iff in placing in Section 4 of the tariff the commodities which are made siibject thereto. These reasons will be found in the testimony given by the witnesses, E. F. McPike, P. B. Beidelman and C. E. Bell at the New York hearing. The substance of this testimony was that the members of the committee felt that the Commission, in 544 the Private Car Line Case, 50 I. C. C., 652, had set the matter at rest, and that the Commission was of the opin¬ ion that the proper basis to be applied to the transpor¬ tation of packing-house products and dairy freight un¬ der refrigeration was the cost of ice per ton and salt per 100 pounds. Measure of Charges Under Section Four. No serious objection has been offered to the measure of the charges for ice found in Section 4 of the tariff, but, as previously stated, some testimony was offered to the effect that the charges therein found for salt per hundred pounds were not vdiat they should he. So far as the charges for ice are concerned, we think that the tes¬ timony of the carriers fully justifies the reasonableness of the charges found in Section 4. So far as the charges per hundred pounds of salt are concerned, which is on a uniform basis of 75 cents per hundred pounds throughout the United States, the Ad¬ ministration is not in position to recommend any change at the present time. The investigation which has been made is incomplete. Consideration has been given to the advisability of dividing the United States into zones, and applying varying charges for salt in those zones in accordance with such figures as might be developed as to the respective costs of salt therein. Bxit as to this our investigation is likewise incomplete. The entire situation with respect to these matters is clearly shown by the testimony of Mr. C. E. Bell, given at the final hearing at Chicago, and from which we quote as fol¬ lows : "Statements have been made in this record that we were making some investigation in connection with salt costs as shown in Section 4 of the tariff, with a view of giving consideration to a zoning of the country with respect to such costs. 545 This investigation has been very disappointing, in that the reports Ave have recei\^ed do not contain complete and accurate information. We directed that all the railroads compile for each and every icing station a statement on a form vdiich Ave furnished, and Avhich form shows the name of the icing station, the source of the salt supply, the cost per hundred pounds at source of supply, the freight per hundred pounds from source of supply to the icing station, such freight to be computed on the basis of company material rates, if any are in ef¬ fect; the cost of transfer from cars to storage and from storage to bunker; the number of tons of salt used per year ; and that if there A\ms more than one source of supply, the cost of salt in the bunkers from each source should be figured, covering the total amount from each source, and the grand total aver¬ age, to arrive at a cost based on a a\'eighted aver¬ age; then to shoAv the cost of the salt placed in the bunkers at icing station based on the foregoing data. These forms have been received covering a ma¬ jority, if not practically all of the icing stations in the countrv, but they are defective in many respects. (Tr., 9396.) Some of the important stations have failed to indi¬ cate the number of pounds of salt used, making it im¬ possible to shoAV a correct aa^eighted average. Many of the forms Avhile shoA\dng the cost at point of sup¬ ply and the freight rates to icing stations, failed to shoAV the cost of transfer from cars to storage and from storage to bunkers. This is particularly true of the states consuming the most salt, lUinois, Michigan, Noav York and Ohio. Illustrating that situation, a total of 26,492,932 pounds Avas rejAorted for the State of Illinois, but they failed to shoAV the cost of labor in transferring, as I have indicated, on 10,836,200 pounds of that. There is no use in reading into the record the others, I think. That in¬ dicates the difficulty Ave have had. Many of the forms have failed to sIioav the freight rate from the point of supply to the icing station. As I have said, the instructions Avere to figure on the company material rates. Some of the lines, includ¬ ing the Pennsylvania Railroad, have shoAvn the 546 movement as free. Other reports show at com¬ mercial rates and still others show at company ma¬ terial rates. Where contract prices prevail for salt, in many cases the number of pounds or tons used have been omitted, making it impossible to determine the ac¬ tual cost based on a weighted average. This is par¬ ticularly true of the south, where most of the icing is done by private concerns under contract. (Tr., 9397.) Under the circumstances I feel that the figures do not reflect the true situation and so do not warrant any change in the figures shown in perishable pro¬ tective tariff No. 1, but that a further analysis is necessary, and we hope that the Commission will be disposed to allow the existing charges to remain in effect and the matter will be pursued further by us, with a vieAV of disposing of the question on its mer¬ its. I desire to say in my opinion it is important that no change be made without the most complete in¬ formation. Manifestly, the cost should be averaged, either countryAvide or by wide territories or zones, so as to keep the various routes on a parity, not only from a comparative standpoint, hut to prevent undue discrimination. I desire to add that I have all the reports in my possession, the analysis that I have made, the work¬ ing sheets, and I should be pleased to allow Exam¬ iner King, or anyone else, to inspect them and de¬ termine whether or not they think they are suffi¬ ciently complete for the purpose of this case." (Tr., 9398.) We trust, therefore, that, as suggested by Mr. Bell, the Commission will allow the 75-cent uniform charge for salt to remain in effect until such time as our investi¬ gation can he concluded, AA'hereupon such change can he made as may appear to he equitable. 547 SECTION FIVE. RULE NO. 500. This provides for the application of the rules relat¬ ing to Section 5 covering protective service against cold on carload shipments of perishables. Shippers' Vieios. AVitness J. Curtis Eobinson: Application Knie 500. There is no apparent statement or definition as to what constitutes carriers' liability under "Carriers' Protective Service." Option 2 originally provides "un¬ der this option the carrier assumes all liability for loss due to frost, freezing or heat, not the direct result of the negligence of the shipper." Tariff was amended by Circular 14 to I. C. C. 1014 effective November, 1918, to read: "Under this option the carrier assumes liabil¬ ity for loss due only to freezing or from artificial over¬ heating, not the direct result of the negligence of the shipper." Under these tariffs some declaration of liability was made. The proposed tariff does not seem to include any declaration whatever. Carriers must be made liable for acts of negligence. We contend for the original word ing of the tariff. According to Mr. Johnson, chairman, of the District Freight Traffic Committee, AV^estern ter¬ ritory, Chicago, in the judgment of the committee the carriers' liability is the same under the amended form of Option 2 as under the original form. That being true the language should also express it. Artificial overheat¬ ing would not take care of smoke or soot damage. Dam¬ age arising from smoke and overheating are two differ ent elements. The use of the word "only" should b.. 548 stricken out as this word is liable to be construed by claim agents and others to mean that the only damage recoverable is from frost and overheating and that Op¬ tion 2 would abrogate common laiv liability. In other words, it should be plainly shown that carriers are re¬ sponsible for acts of negligence. In fact we want it clearly defined that while freez¬ ing may be the result of an act of God, that the possi¬ bility is that freezing to have caused the damage may have been the result of negligence on the part of the car¬ rier, which clearly would constitute their legal liability. Witness 0. W. Tong: This Avitness stated that provision should be made that if the shipper desires to make use of Eules 9-D and 9-E of the Western Classification, he should have that privi¬ lege. (Tr., 4729-31.) Witness E. S. De Pass: This witness asks that paragraph (C) be canceled and the privilege of changing from shippers' protection to carriers' protection be accorded, as it is permitted to change from refrigerator to heater protection in Eule 75, Paragraiíh A-1 ; if necessary, to transfer the car, that a $5.00 charge would be reasonable, that being the trans¬ fer charge proposed by the carriers in Eule 90 and there being no ice to remove from the bunkers. Ansirer. The carriers again direct attention to Item No. 20 paragra])h (D) of proposed tariff, which clearly shows that they are not attempting to escape any liability for loss or damage resulting from negligence of carriers. As to the (luestion of future application of Eule 9-1) and Hule 9 E of AVostern Classification, this feature has 549 already been fully covered by carriers in their answei under Item No. 20, paragraph (D). As to granting the shippers the privilege of changing from "shipper's protective service" to "carrier's pro¬ tective service", the carriers submit that they cannot reasonably be required to permit any such change be¬ cause they woidd not be afforded the necessary oppor¬ tunity to prepare themselves or their facilities to render "carrier's protective service" as they might normally do at original loading point. RULE NO. 505. This rule relates to shippers' instructions covering shipments moving either under "Shippers' protective service" or "Carriers' protective service." Shippers' Views. Witness 0. W. Tong: This witness stated that they wanted to get away from any rules that provided that when shipper orders a car he must specify the character of service he de¬ sires to use ; that they do not want the carrier to know when they place the order for a car to load potatoes whether it is going to move under Option 1 (Shippers' protective service) or Option 2 (Carriers' protective service), his reason being that they did not want to be bothered each season giving carriers estimates of amount of business to move under "Carriers' protective serv¬ ice"; that there has been a vast amount of discrimina¬ tion in the furnishing of equipment under Options 1 and 2. (See Exhibit No. 3; Tr., 4729-31.) 550 Witness J. CuETis Eobinson ; We object to paragraph D becanse it will be under¬ stood that shipper has elected to forward goods under shippers' protective service in the event no stipulation has been made as to whether they are moving under carriers' protective service or shippers' protective serv¬ ice. Some shippers are hot familiar with all the technical details and requirements of tariffs as they are published by the carriers nowadays and if this rule was made effective it would permit the carriers to neglect the shipment entrusted to their care in good faith by the shipper and would in the eyes of some claim agents re¬ lieve carriers from their common law liability. That portion about carriers not furnishing or maintaining ar¬ tificial heat should be stricken out and a rule similar to that carrier in the present tariff substituted to the effect that carriers will consider shipments forwarded without declaration of the kind of protective service de¬ sired as being subject to the conditions and charges pre¬ scribed under Option 2. (Tr., 2493.) Witness H. W. Bishop: Witness stated that the rules proposed are exactly op¬ posed from the rules in effect in the tariffs to-day, and which they ask be continued; that they are willing to pay for the service performed, and willing to take the burden of specifying when they are willing to take the risk themselves in transit. (Tr., XXIV, 4348.) Wit¬ ness asked for the privilege of introducing into the rec¬ ord, when he could get it, a copy of the rule that bears on this contained in the Xational Trading Eules of the Fruit and Vegetable Industry, which provides that the seller shall consult the buyer as to the class of railroad protective service desired; that if the buyer remains silent on the subject, it shall be .the duty of the seller 551 to forward the goods under carriers' protective serv¬ ice ; in such cases the buyer shall have no right or privi¬ lege of objecting to the payment to the transportation company of the charges for such protective service. (Tr., 4346-47.) On cross-examination of witness Bishop by Attorney Westlake as to whether witness in stating that the rules in effect in the tariffs to-day should stand, he was voic¬ ing the views of his constituents. Witness replied that is the view of practically all the fruit and vegetable shippers in the United States, as expressed in the newly constructed national trading rules. (Tr., 4371-72.) Answer. The carriers submit that they hold themselves in readiness to furnish protective service against cold as authorized by tariffs, but only in compliance with a rea¬ sonable request therefor and that they are entitled to some advance notice from the shipper. RULE NO. 510. This rule provides in substance that the shipper as¬ sumes entire responsibility for loss or damage by heat or cold not the result of negligence by carriers (except as may be otherwise specifically provided in the rule) when shipments are moving under "Shippers' protective service"; also that carriers will not prewarm cars un¬ der that rule; also that shippers will furnish such false floors, stoves, fuels, etc., as they may deem necessary; also provides rules for attention to fires and provides that the carriers will not place shipments in round¬ houses or carriers' warming houses. 552 "Witness O. W. Tong: AVitness stated under Kule 510 and these other rules of the tariff that I called attention to, there is no dif¬ ferentiation at all as between the words "artificial heat" and "natural heat"; that the words "heat" and "heating" were used throirghout ; that they want it dis- tinetly understood that throughout the tariff they are furnishing artificial heat under shippers' protective serv¬ ice and not protecting shipments against natural heat where messengers are not in charge. (Tr., 4974.) AA^itness J. Curtís Kobinson : This rule permits the shippers to install linings when in their judgment it is necessary. AA'^e believe Eule 45, page 8, of tariff would make it possible for carriers to insist upon or compel shippers to provide false floors, racks or other fittings or in lieu thereof carriers might contend the car to be unsafe for transportation and re¬ fuse to accept it as not measuring up to the rules and regulations as published and on file with the Commission. Paragraph E. Koundhousing : AA''e disapproved of the negative state¬ ment of this rule, that cars will not be placed in round¬ houses or other warming houses at any point including destination for protection of contents against cold or for relieving of frost from the lading. Even though the present tariff does carry the clause that cars Avill not be placed in roundhouses or other warming houses for pro¬ tection of contents from frost or. freezing we contend that the carrier has no moral right to allow goods to freeze if by the exercise of reasonable care and facili¬ ties they can prevent it. AA^e believe it to be their duty to prevent loss where they can by the exercise of reason- alile diligence. (Tr., 2493.) 553 Ansiver. As to question of protecting shipments against natural heat by means of ventilation when shipper does not send any caretaker in charge of car, the carriers consider that the interests of the shipper in this respect are fully taken care of by paragraph (F) of Eule 510, in which the shipper is given the privilege of forwarding his cars under ventilation. As to roundhousing such shipments covered by Eule 510, the carriers submit that such structures have been erected for the purpose of caring for engines and that carriers cannot reasonably be expected to use roundhous¬ ing for the protection of perishable freight; to do so would often jeopardize transportation on account of lack of sufficient power. The carriers further submit that the prohibition of roundhousing such cars will lessen the possibility of discrimination. RULE NO. 512. This is the rule governing transportation of care¬ takers with carloads of perishables in cases when the shipper installs portable heaters. Shippers' Vieirs. Witness 0. W. Tong: Witness Tong stated under Eule 512, page 552, it pro¬ vides that the agent at point of origin will execute a re¬ lease or contract for man or men in charge, using forms provided for this purpose by initial carrier; that there is no standard form of contract and that if they are going to adopt any uniform rules or regulations, that there should be a standard contract ; that this contract should provide distinctly that the attendant who accompanies the car is responsilde only for the condition of the con- 554 tents of the car while in his charge; that many cases arise where a messenger is not responsible for the pro¬ tection of the property, but that the carrier, due to its own action in delaying the shipment, etc., is responsible for any freezing that might occur. (Tr., 4977-79.) Witness J. CuETis Robinson : Paragraph A provides that if the shipper installs port¬ able heater in car he must send a man to care for the fire and one man will be carried free of charge with one con¬ signment consisting of one or more carloads. A con¬ signment might consist of more cars than one man could take care of to advantage and if the carriers are going to impose a charge for extra service in supplying heaters for protection against cold they should give the shipper the option of sending a man with each car as cars do not always go to the same destination and some¬ times there are too many for one man to take care of and properly protect. Paragraph C. This rule says that caretakers will be responsible for the fires in portable heaters and the result of contents and condition of ears in their charge. We do not con¬ sider it fair and equitable for caretakers to be respon¬ sible for everything that may happen to the contents of the car when as a matter of fact this responsibility cannot reasonably be made to extend beyond properly attending to the stoves. The caretaker has no control of the carriers' acts. He has not authority over the load beyond caring for the fires and his control of the ship¬ ment is limited by paragraph A where it stipulates the shipper "must send a man to care for fires." 555 Paragraph D. This paragraph provides the caretakers must remove stoves when they abandon cars. I confess that I am not familiar with the entire tariff but it seems to me there should be a provision in connection with this item for free return of the stoves to shippers. Stoves should be returned free the same as linings. (Tr., 2493.) Witness 0. W. Tong: Witness stated he directed carriers' attention some days ago on cross-examination to what was an error in this rule in not providing return transportation from Illinois to Wisconsin; that the rule should be clarified so there will be no question but that free transportation is to be given caretakers who accompany cars from Wis¬ consin into Chicago. (Tr., 4979-80.) Attorney Westlake stated that it was the intention to include Wisconsin and if the rule is not clear it will be made so. (Tr., 4980-81.) Answer. With regard to the objections made by the witness Tong because of the fact that the wording of the rule does not permit the return of the caretakers to the ex¬ tent desired, attention is called to the fact that Ave pro¬ pose to change the second subparagraph of paragraph (F) to meet Mr. Tong's requirements, as shown in letter in behalf of carriers addressed to the examiner under date of October 23, 1919. (See Appendix A.) As to responsibility of caretakers for the condition of contents of cars in their charge, the carriers submit that this is obviously a very reasonable requirement, particu¬ larly in view of the fact that under Item No. 20, para¬ graph (D) of tariff the carriers clearly show that they are not trying to escape liability for their negligence. 556 RULE NO. 515. This rule provides for the application of "Carriers' Protective Service" under Section 5 of the tariff. Shippers' Vietvs. Witness Jas. McCabe; Witness called attention to carrier's Protective Tariff No. 1, page 523. Witness stated that all carriers' lia¬ bility is against frost, that ivhen goods are shipped un¬ der option and there is a loss, because of overheat, the carrier will say: "We only protect against cold and if shippers ivanted protection against overheat they should have shipped under standard ventilation." (Tr., 1674-5.) (Witness suggested a commission should be appointed and investigation made in regard to claims, one by the carrier and one by the shipper and these two to select the third to adjust claims.) (Tr., 1675.) Witness also stated his objections also go to all of those objections which have been made here by the ship¬ pers. (Tr., 1675.) Witness E. G. Phillips: With respect to carriers ' protective service covered by Section 5, Rule 515, ivitness insists that carriers' lia¬ bility under this section be specified in the terms of for¬ mer option No. 2, which read: "Under this option the carrier assumes all liability for loss, due to frost, freez¬ ing or heating, not the direct result of negligence by the shipper." This ivas slightly changed by Supplement 14 to I. C. C., 1014, effective November, 1918, to the folloiv- ing Avording: "Under this option the carrier assumes liability for loss, due only to freezing or from artificially overheating, not the direct result of the negligence of 557 tlie shipper." In both the amended and original form some declaration of liability was made, but in proposed taritf no declaration whatever is made as to carrier's liability, biit witness calls attention to fact that liability of shipper is stated in no uncertain terms under the shipper's protective service. Chairman Johnson of dis¬ trict freight traffic committee, western territory, Chicago, wrote witness that in judgment of committee carrier's liability under provision of Supplement 14 was the same as under original wording. The use of words "artificially overheating," Supplement 14, is not in witness' judg¬ ment proper to take care of smoke damage which occurs in eases where there is no overheating. Smoke damage occurs Avithout overheating. Damages from these two causes are different matters. Witness objects to use of word "only" in Supplement 14, as liable to be construed by claim agents to mean that the only damage recoverable is that for freezing and artificially overheating, and this construction would entirely abrogate the common law liability. For these reasons the witness asks that original Avording of the carrier's liability under option 2 be included in this rule. Throughout this tariff carriers have been careful to disclaim liability, and in no case have they stated Avhat their liability is. Witness is not certain what their lia¬ bility is under this carrier's protective service, but if it is the same liability that they have in refrigeration serv¬ ice it Avould be nothing more than keeping these heaters lighted from point of origin to destination, and hauling the car in a reasonable time. Witness submits that is hot proper basis for carrier's protective service and not the basis definitely recognized by carrier's tariff and actual practice, and in those cases they have for this charge acted as actual insurers of the goods except for damage caused by shippers. 558 Cross-Examination hy Mr. WestlaJce. Witness thinks that tariff should contain a statement under Enle 515 defining carrier's liability for carriers' protective service in the terms of the old option No. 2. (Tr., 9323.) Witness does not think it necessarily follows that car¬ riers should in other parts of the tariff likewise spe¬ cifically define their liability. Witness thinks this special service for an increased, or insurance price or obliga¬ tion different from ordinary liability in case of ordi¬ nary shipment, and carrier should prescribe under those conditions, where they are getting paid, what their lia¬ bility is. Witness ' answer would be in the affirmative as to Sec¬ tion 2 of the tariff where carrier offers protective service against heat. Witness thinks carriers should define their liability under Section 2 of the tariff, and not absolve themselves from all liability, except solely the matter of negligence. Witness is not prepared to say that carriers should clearly define their liability under Section 2, Section 3, Section 5, Section 6, but where carrier furnishes this service at an increased charge, witness thinks carriers should not continually absolve themselves from liability with no counter-statement as to what their liability is. (Tr., 9323-4.) As to whether or not witness thinks it appropriate that carriers should, where they offer protective service in this tariff, clearly define their liability, he would be will¬ ing to leave the matter to the law as it stands. (Tr., 9325.) Witness is not satisfied with the present rule as con- 559 tained in Supplement No. 14, but is in part satisfied with the proposition laid down in option No. 2. (Tr., 9325.) Witness thinks that the present rule as it appears in the existing tariff (not the proposed tariff) regarding carriers' protective service is satisfactory in view of the fact particularly that the carrier has limited its lia¬ bility, and particularly described the shippers' liability under shipper's protective service. (Tr., 9326.) Witness J. CuKTis Robinson : Paragraph A. Carriers' Protective Service: This tariff only pro¬ vides that carriers will furnish artificial heat when re¬ quired only in the territory as covered by the tables of charges in this section but there is no statement as to the liability assumed in the event the carrier does not pro¬ vide artificial heat for which the stated charge in this section is made. Paragraph A also restricts furnishing of heat within the territory covered by the table of charges in this section. This is a seeming discrimination against ship¬ ments under shippers' protective service as under ship¬ pers' protective service a shipper assumes entire respon¬ sibility for loss or damage not the result of the negli¬ gence of carriers apparently regardless of destination. Another objection to paragraph A is that the service should be extended to all points in the United States and Canada from Northwestern shipping points. Paragraph B. It states that these charges are in addition to the freight rates. We contend that while the carriers are entitled to a charge for the heater service if it is per¬ formed, that the freight rate for transportation as orig- 560 inally charged and as increased now includes the charge for such service as should be given by the carriers in the protection of the commodity entrusted to them for transportation by reason of the freight rate being what it is ; that originally cars were frequently protected with heaters without charge in addition to the freight rate and business strongly solicited with a knowledge that such service might have to be and would if necessary be given. Paragraph D. We object to Item 3 of paragraph D on the grounds that carriers would be attempting to relieve themselves by the rule from acts of negligence on their part for which under the common law they are responsible and they should not be permitted to do this. Paragraph F. Paragraph F is discriminatory. Carriers offer to as¬ sess charges but deny to assume responsibility for bananas, pineapples, celery, cauliflower, lettuce, spinach, artichokes, tomatoes and certain other commodities. Paragraph H. We object to a charge of $5 per car for transferring cars on the grounds that this tariff is to be universal. Any shipment that is acceptable to carriers for trans¬ portation for which they furnish suitable equipment should not be penalized by reason of some negligence on the part of the carriers accepting the shijunent for for¬ warding which might necessitate its transferring in transit. If a charge of this kind was legitimate at all it slnndd he the actual cost of tlie transfer service and not any assumed amount. Any transfer that is per- 561 formed should be considered to be performed at the risk of damage on the part of carriers for wbicb compensa¬ tion will be made to the shipper or owner for any dam¬ age. (Tr., 2493.) Witness H. W. Bishop: Witness referred to case 29 I. C. C., 504, optional plan of service, and stated they now ask that the original rule wbicb provided for liability in clear, positive, specific and affirmative terms, be substituted for Eule 515, para¬ graph A. (Tr., XXIV, 4351-52.) Witness stated that their experience in the matter has been that previous to the publication of that rule they bad considerable dif¬ ficulty in collecting claims for frost damage; that after the rule was published they bad no such difficulty with this optional plan. (Tr., 4352.) In response to question by attorney Westlake if they would expect under the original rule the carriers to assume the responsibility for damage to shipments due to their inherent character or nature, witness replied "no, sir," the only exception being "not the direct result of the negligence of the shipper." (Tr., 4352-53.) Witness stated be Avanted to ask the Railroad Ad¬ ministration "what we are going to do on a car, for in¬ stance, on wbicb protective service was requested from California and wbicb might have frozen before it reached the territory coAmred by these tables of charges?" At¬ torney Westlake replied be Avould not have any remedy unless the law gave you one. (Tr., 4354-55.) Witness asked that some provision be made by AAdiicb a situation such as this will be taken care of, to aa'bicb attorney Westlake replied that this Avill be taken care of if allowed to make the added charge to wbicb carriers would justly be entitled to. Witness stated be didn't 562 object to paying for the service carriers rendered. (Tr., 4355.) Witness stated with particular reference to the com¬ modity of bananas, cars are handled under messenger service, the messenger being furnished by the shipper; that under the proposed tariff, the railroads charge for protection on bananas but give no protection. (Tr., 4357-58.) Witness suggested that one of the ways of solving this problem is for the carriers to take care of the bananas and furnish their own messengers and they would be perfectly willing to pay what that service costs to the carrier, but in response to question by attorney Westlake Avhether they would be willing to pay the added expense which the carrier would be put to in furnishing these messengers, over and above the present heater pro¬ tective charges which have been proposed in this tariff on commodities other than bananas, witness replied they were willing to pay adequate remuneration for the serv¬ ice performed and that is all the answer he could give. (Tr., 4358-59.) Witness 0. W. Tong: Witness stated their objection to this paragraph A of Eule 515 is the carriers are endeavoring to curtail their liability by the changes in the wording of the rules ; that rule should read "the carriers' liability. Under this op¬ tion the carriers assume all liability for loss or damage not the direct result of the negligence of the shipper" (Tr., 4981-2) ; that where shipments are moving at the present time under option 2, there is no element of dam¬ age for which the carrier is responsible, says only the usual exceptions, the acts of God, etc.; that' they are responsible for everything under option No. 2. (Tr., 4982.) 563 Witness stated the application under this proposed tariff of proportional heater charges would result- in discrimination against Minnesota and Wisconsin ship¬ pers for the reason that in moving business from Min¬ nesota and Wisconsin shippers, into the State of Illi¬ nois they would be required to pay a charge for heater protection through from the points of origin, whereas shipper from the State of Michigan in reaching Illinois territory would he able to get the benefit of proportional charges from Chicago into the Illinois territory after taking care of the cars into Chicago themselves, or hav¬ ing the carriers do so under the tariffs as they exist. (Tr., 4991-2.) That their objections to the proposed tariff is that it does not establish proportional or local rates from Chicago and all Chicago junctions into the eastern territory. (Tr., 4994.) On cross-examination of witness Tong by Westlake as to whether he wanted option No. 2 service from Min¬ nesota and Wisconsin to points in Illinois, witness re¬ plied under the present conditions they would rather have both options 1 and 2 eliminated altogether and let the carrier take care of all the business the same as they do from any of those other stations, and assume the lia¬ bility for the transportation. (Tr., 5047-5048.) Witness W. A. Schumacher: The Witness: Our position on that, Mr. Examiner, is that the price we are asked to pay is too high. By a reservation in Section P the carriers hold themselves out to furnish carriers' protective service on bananas but they will furnish heat at full rates without any responsi¬ bility. Now, it seems to me that if the apple shipper or potato shipper is offered an option to service Avith full liability and responsibility and so forth and does not 564 have to send any caretaker along then a banana shipper should not have to pay the same price because he does not get as much service. All he gets is the heating of his car in transit. And Avhat I think should be done is to give the banana shipper a reasonable rate for the heater service or for the use of heaters. Now if the Commission and Eailroad Administration will look upon that kindly and make such a rate we will be perfectly satisfied as far as we as shippers are con¬ cerned. Cross-Examination by Mr. Westlake. Q. Your idea as I get your testimony with regard to Rule 515, paragraph E, is that if the carriers are to im¬ pose ujjon your business stated charges provided by Section 5 they should practically guarantee the safe movement of the commodity of bananas as they do other commodities! A. Yes, I think that is a fair statement of my position. But, however, I do not think that is the best solution of the question though. (Tr., 8503-4.) The Witness (continuing) : I think it is a correct state¬ ment to say that bananas are more susceptible to dam¬ age by heat or cold than most commodities moving under carriers' protective service. I also think it is a fair proposition to say in all fairness that if the stated charges for protective service against cold on the other commodities as provided in this tariff are reasonable that perhaps a somewhat higher charge should be im- ])osed on bananas providing the carriers guarantee the same trajisportation of those first commodities. (Tr., 8504.) 565 W. E. Scott, witness : Direct Examination by Mr. Thome. The witness here read paragraph "C" of Knie 515 (page 523 of the proposed tariff), and then stated: Now, the question has been raised by our folks as to whether or not in case an insulated car is furnished for such transportation from a point outside that territory, as to Avhether the $5 charge also would accrue in addi¬ tion to the stated charge from the first point at Avhich the rate is published, and there is language in this same rule which indicates that such might be the intention. Keferring to paragraph D, sentence 2, we hardly think that that is justified if such is the intention. I simply take this occasion to call attention to it. Another rule which our people find objectionable is paragraph F in the same rule, 515, which provides that on certain articles where protective service is given, even under the carriers' protective service and charge paid, the carriers will not be liable for damage caused by heat or cold. This is said to be due to the fact that certain articles are particularly liable to be damaged by artificial heat. Chief among these articles as far as the grocers are concerned, is candy and chocolate, and also cheese. (Tr., 9093-9094.) Witness L. F. Berey : Chocolate is particularly liable to damage by artificial heat. (Tr., 9095.) Mr. AV. R. Scott: AVhile, as Mr. Berry states, choco¬ late is particularly liable or susceptible to artificial heat, a charge is proposed for performing that service and yet 566 the carriers would exempt themselves from any damage or loss in the handling of it. (Tr., 9095-9096.) Ansiver. While the witness E. F. McPike was on the stand, Mr. Bishop inquired why paragraph (A) of Kule 515 did not specifically provide for liability of carrier for all loss or damage not the result of negligence by the shipper. Witness McPike quoted from his Exhibit No. 66 (page 81 of printed pamphlet), to the effect that while existing laws, no doubt, provided clearly for the liability of a carrier for any loss or damage "caused by it," the laws are not equally explicit as to the liability of the shippers and it was thought necessary, therefore, to provide rea¬ sonable rules accordingly in the tariff. (Tr., 2569-70.) See also Witness McPike's Exhibit No. 53 for explana¬ tion of other matters covered by Section No. 5 of pro¬ posed tariff. EULE NO. 520. This rule which relates to "Carriers' Protective Serv¬ ice" states that the charges shown in Section 5 are con¬ ditioned on the understanding that cars will be loaded within twenty-four (24) hours after they have been placed for loading and imposes an additional charge of |2 per car per twenty-four (24) hours or fraction thereof there¬ after. The rule further provides that the detention charge shall be computed from the time car is placed for loading to the time that loading is completed and written shipping instructions are delivered to the carrier's agent or representative in charge. 567 Shippers' Views. Witness E. S. DePass: This witness states that if cars ordered for "Carriers' Protective Service" are held more than 24 hours at load¬ ing points, shippers are penalized $2 per day, in addition to demurrage or other charges (Tr., 1444) and that the Carnation Milk Company objects to such arbitrary charge unless some actual protective service is performed. Witness J. Curtis Kobinson : "Carriers' Protective Service." This rule should be amended to provide that the time will commence from the first 7 A. M. after a suitable car is placed for loading. For instance : If a carrier places a car at 10 A. M. in the morning the penalty charge should not begin to he assessed until twenty-four hours after the next 7 A. M. The particular point about this is the lack of regularity on part of carriers in spotting equipment. If there was a definite regular time to spot equipment at various points it would probably not cause any shipper to sutfer a serious penalty. There should be a note to the rule that the charge is to apply providing suitable equipment is furnished. Answer. The carriers point out that under Eule 520 the ship¬ pers are given 24 hours' time in which to load and this, the carriers submit, is a reasonable period and that they should not be required to give any more free time he- cause it might tend to encourage undue detention of available special equipment needed by other shippers. 568 RULE NO. 525. When a car for "Carriers' Protective Service" against cold has been ordered and placed for loading and order for such car has not been canceled before placement thereof, a charge of five dollars ($5) per car per twenty- four (24) hours or fraction thereof from time car is placed for loading (until car is released by shipper) shall be collected from party ordering the car, if car is not used. Such charge will accrue to the initial carrier furnishing the car. Shippers' Views. Witness E. S. DePass : Wdien car is ordered for "Carriers' Protective Serv¬ ice" and not used, a charge of |5 per day is assessed for each day held. (Tr., 1444.) The Carnation Milk Com¬ pany objects to such arbitrary charge unless some actual protective service is performed. (Tr., 1445.) Witness J. Curtis Kobinson : Cars ordered but not used: We think $5 is excessive for furnishing a ear to be shipped under carriers' pro¬ tective service. If no stove has been provided and kept burning, no additional service has been performed, other than is contemplated in the rate and even if a stove has been furnished we consider that no additional service has been preformed other than was ultimately contem¬ plated in the rate. This rule should be eliminated be¬ cause the carriers will get a penalty for delay to equip¬ ment under the demurrage yirovisions. (Tr., 2493.) Witness M. C. Kagatz: Witness stated it was unreasonable to ask them to ])ay $5 if unsuitable equipment is furnished; that if they 569 order a car under option No. 2, it miglit take the greater part of a week or ten days to furnish it, and about the time car was furnished they might get a cancellation of the order. (Tr., 5108-9.) On cross-examination by attorney Westlake as to hoAV he Avould have this rule read if it suited him, witness re¬ plied there should be no such rule. (Tr., 5125.) Witness admitted on cross-examination that when a man does order a car and does not use it, and it is through no fault of the carrier that it is reasonable that there ought to be a charge. (Tr., 5126.) Answer. The carriers submit that having prepared and placed special cars in response to order of a shipper and such cars have not been used for the purposes for which so prepared and placed, the carriers are not only entitled to compensation for the expense involved, but there should also be an element of penalty against such shipper so ordering the ears for the detention of such special equipment, in vieAv of all which the carriers contend that the proposed charge is reasonable. RULE NO. 530. This rule relates to "Carriers' Protective Service" and provides charges at intermediate stop, hold or re- consigning points and at final destination when such cars are not held because of any fault of the carrier. The charge is f2 per twenty-four (24) hours or fraction thereof. Witness E. S. DePass: Cars under "Carriers' Protective Service" are sub- ,iect to a charge of |2 per day when held in excess of 570 twenty-four (24) hours at destination. The Carnation Milk Company objects to such arbitrary charge unless some actual service is performed. (Tr., 1445.) Witness J. CuETis Eobinson : There should be a provision in this rule, if any charge is permitted for the service, which would provide that the charge would not begin to accrue until twenty-four (24) hours after the first 7 A. M. after arrival in terminal yards or at hold points, unless disposition instructions were given prior thereto. (Tr., 2493.) Answer. The carriers point out that the stated charges for "Carriers' Protective Service" under Eule No. 515 were predicated upon such service to, hut not after arrival in, terminal train yards at destination, but Eule No. 530 grants a free time of 24 hours after such arrival. Any failure on part of consignee to unload the car at the ex¬ piration of such time would result in the goods remain¬ ing under "Carriers' Protective Service," and the car¬ riers submit that they are entitled to an additional charge as proposed under Eule 530, which furthermore would tend to prevent possible discrimination. RULES NOS. 545 AND 550. Eule 545 relates to the transportation of stoves or heaters, fittings and fuel therefor, false floors and linings in the car with freight requiring such protection, and Eule 550 covers the return movement thereof. Shippers' Views. There is no objection to Eule 545 as no charge is made for the transportation in the going direction of the article mentioned. 571 With regard to Rule 550, the witness M. C. Eagatz stated they had trouble in securing the return of linings, false tloors'used in cars; the consignee is not inclined to remove the lining and bundle it up and return ; that under the plan proposed of having the carriers line the car these difficulties will be removed; that there should be no charge for the return of the linings as is done in Western Trunk Line territory (Tr., 5109-12) ; that carriers in¬ variably lose the linings. (Tr., 5111.) On cross-examination of witness by Mr. Westlake, wit¬ ness admitted that he did not mean invariably, that what he meant to say is they lose them to some extent. (Tr., 5120.) Witness P. B. Betpelman : In framing this rule it was not intended it shoidd ap¬ ply in connection with cars which had been especially fitted for potato traffic or other traffic where cars re¬ quired special equipment and the cars are used exclu¬ sively in that service; that on that account it was pro¬ posed to add paragraph F, which will provide that wffien cars have been fitted for a special character of service and such fittings are returned intact in the same car and are virtually, not exactly permanent fittings, but are at¬ tached to the car and built into the car and form a part of same, the provisions of paragraphs A to E, inclusive, will not apply, the object of this being to prevent any misunderstanding consignees or agents might have when constrning the rule as it now reads. (Tr., 6122.) Wit¬ ness stated the proposed change in the rule will be uni¬ versally applicable and will not apply solely to the New England territory. (Tr., 6123.) 572 Ansiüer. One of the carrier's witnesses, Mr. P. B. Beidelman, speaking with respect to Eule 550 stated: "In framing this rule it was not intended it should apply in connec¬ tion with cars which had been especially fitted for potato traffic or other traffic where cars required special equip¬ ment and the cars are used exclusively in that service; that on that account it was proposed to add paragraph F, Avhich will provide that when cars have been fitted for a special character of service and such fittings are returned intact in the same car and are virtually, not exactly per¬ manent fittings, but are attached to the car and built into the car and foi'm a part of same, the provisions of para¬ graphs A to E, inclusive will not apply, the object of this being to prevent any misunderstanding consignees or agents might have been construing the rule as it now reads. (Tr., 6122.) Witness stated the proposed change in the rule will be universally applicable and will not apply solely to the New England territory." (Tr., 6123.) In accordance with witness Beidelman's suggestions, it is proposed to add a paragraph to Eule 550 reading as follows : "When cars have been permanently equipped with false floors, linings and other fittings, and are used for a special character of traffic, the false floors, lin¬ ings and other fittings remaining intact in the car of which they form a part, no charge will be made for the return transportatio]i of such false floors, linings or other fittings. No bill of lading will be issued for the return movement of such cars or for any of the false floors, linings or otlier fittings remaining tliere- in." The proposed modification of Eule 550 is covered by the letter addressed to the examiner in behalf of carriers under date of Octol)er 23, 1919, in Appendix A. ö73 CARLOADS. Section 5 of the proposed tariff contains special rules and stated charges on perishable freight, carloads, under protective service against cold as governed by the gen¬ eral rules and regulations of Section 1 of the tariff, ex¬ cept as otherwise provided in Section 6. As originally prepared, this section was intended to apply universally throughout the United States with the exception of cer¬ tain New England railroads, but during the progress of the hearings in the case, it has been decided to eliminate from Tables 101, 102 and 103 all stated charges to the following states : Connecticut Maryland Ohio Delaware Massachusetts Pennsylvania District of Co- Michigan Rhode Island lumbia (Groups 3 and 4) Vermont Indiana New Plampshire Virginia Kentucky New Jersey West Virginia Maine New York (9399-9401) C. E. Bell of the Traffic Section of the Railroad Admin¬ istration testified, with respect to the proposed tariff as follows: At pages 1068-1076 inclusive of the record there was some, discussion at the Portland hearing as to the pro¬ jection of carriers' protective service from points in western and northwestern states to points of destination east of the Illinois-Indiana state line. (9399) At pages 1072 and 1073 of the record I stated that there is now no heater protective service from points in Transcontinental or Western Trunk Line territory to destinations east of the Indiana-Illinois state line; that it is the common pimctice to remove tlie heaters from the cars wdien they strike Chicago or the dividing line; that the carriers in Central Freight Association terri- 574 tory and Eastern Trunk Line territory have never held themselves out to give protective service either between points within Official Classification territory or from points without Official territory into Official territory, except in so far as that service is provided in tariffs of certain lines in New England. I stated further that the Eailroad Administration had desired to project the service from points west of the Indiana-Illinois state line to points east of that line; that the division of operations had been requested to take steps to see that the service was provided, but that the division of operations had never finally advised the division of traffic whether or not the facilities would be provided; that if these facilities are not provided we would be forced to eliminate from the tariff the proposed charges in so far as they intended to apply to points east of the Indiana-Illinois state line. (9400) I also stated that there were causes over which the division of operations had no control, which had pre¬ cluded any final determination of the matter. Since the Portland hearing I have followed the matter up further and the situation existing at the time of the Portland hearing is unchanged. It is certain that this service cannot possibly be operated during the approach¬ ing season, and it naturally follows we must eliininate from the proposed tariff all charges for carriers' pro¬ tective service from western points to destinations east of the Illinois-Indiana state line, including points south of the Ohio Eiver. (9401) 575 Witness P. B. Beidelman, assistant general traffic manager of the Great Northern Railroad, made the fol¬ lowing statement on behalf of the committee that pre¬ pared the tariff with relation to Section 5 : The committee desires to make one or two changes and to explain more in detail reasons for making exceptions of the tariffs of certain lines operating in the New Eng¬ land States ; that at the time proposed tariff was drafted there was not, nor is there at the present time any car¬ riers' protective service or so-called heater car service in Official Classification territory east of the Indiana- Illinois state line except in the New England States; that there is justification for making no change in the New England territory until such time as this service can be afforded in Official Classification territory generally, especially so as the practice in New England territory has been reviewed by the I. C. C. and approved and there is no complaint with respect to the present practice or changes. (Tr., 6116-7.) Witness also stated another reason for desiring to make a change is that in making exceptions they over¬ looked the Canadian National Railway and the N. Y., N. H. & H. ; furthermore, they have in the exceptions mentioned specifically vegetables and fruits, whereas these tariffs cover not only those commodities but other perishable commodities ; that the exceptions as now worded are restricted to the State of Maine and change is desired to include other New England States. (Tr., 6117.) Witness stated that change they desire to make on page 519, beginning at the lower half, below the line, lower half of the page, we want to make read as follows : "The provisions of this section will not apply for account of carriers within the Dominion of Canada, except as to traffic passing through the Dominion of Canada, but which has both points of origin and destination within the United States." 576 (This merely puts at the top the paragraph which is now at the bottom, the same wording.) The second paragraph would read as follows : "Exceptions: The provisions of this section are subject to contrary rules, regulations and charges as published in the following taritfs, supplements thereto and reissues thereof, as they may respec¬ tively apply." Then list : Bangor & Aroostook Tariff I. C. C. No. 1458. Boston & Maine Railroad Tariff I. C. C. No (I shall have to use the present number—A-1562.) Canadian National Railways Tariff I. C. C. 894. Canadian Pacific Tariff I. C. C. No. E-1838. Maine Central Railroad Tariff I. C. C. No. C-2272. N. Y. N. IL & H. R. R. Tariff 1. C. C. F-2191. (Tr., 6117-18.) The first tariff in which this additional service was of¬ fered on perishable freight service originating in Wash¬ ington, Idaho, was in Transcontinental Freight Tariff 25-B, Countiss' I. C. C. 1002, effective December 19, 1934. (9143) Eaely History. Heater service by carriers in the Western territory was first authorized in tariffs by Western Trunk Line roads on January 1, 3914. (Beidehnan, 1023.) This comprised rates from North Dakota, South Dakota, Min¬ nesota, Wisconsin, etc. (Beidelman, 1017.) From Transcontinental territory heater rates were first pub¬ lished effective December 19, 1914. (Briggs, 1254.) This includes rates from North Pacific Coast territory, i. e., Wasliingtou, Oregon, Northern Idaho and Montana. ( lleidelman, 3024; kloliue, 2234.) Pi'ior to tliat time, however, it was the practice of some of the western or northwestern carriers to protect ear- 577 load perishables against cold as far back as 1907, and possibly a longer period. (Beidelman, 1049.) This addi¬ tional service was performed by carrier without any addi¬ tional charge above the freight rate. (Beidelman, 1051.) For a number of years the potato shippers of Minne¬ sota, Wisconsin and North Dakota, at their own expense, lined cars with paper or wooden lining, installed stoves and provided messengers to attend fires en route; the carriers in such cases transporting the materials and messenger wfithout charge, also returning them free to original shipping point. (Beidelman, 1019.) This serv¬ ice by carrier was performed without tariff authority, but carriers undertook to remedy this by issuing tariff in the fall or winter of 1912, wdiich was suspended by the I. C. C. and was subject to hearing under I. & S. Docket 172, 26 I. C. C., 681. The cause of this suspension Avas the inclusion of a rule which in substance declared that carrier wmuld not accept potatoes (carloads) during win¬ ter months unless the shipper furnished lining, stoves, etc., and sent messenger in charge. (Beidelman, 1020.) Subsequently, under opinion 29 I. C. C., 504, the Com¬ mission approved tariff offering shipper privilege of providing his own protection at his risk and expense or moving under carriers' protection at an additional charge in cents per one hundred pounds with minimum Aveight 30,000 lbs., which charge Avas over and above the freight rate. This tariff Avas in substance the same as the tariff in effect for similpr service in the State of Maine (Beidelman, 1022-1023), and Avhich Avas proposed by carriers as a result of suggestion made by the I. C. C. in their opinion, 26 I. C. C., 861, namely, that the Amlume of the potato traffic from the states in question warranted the carriers in offering a protective service from cold (Beidelman, 1021),—those charges being based on the tariff then in effect from and in the State of Maine. 578 (Beidelman, 1096.) Following this was the establish¬ ment of rules and charges from North Pacific Coast ter¬ ritory on a basis similar to those in effect in Maine, ex¬ cept that instead of cents per one hundred pounds, the North Coast charges were fixed on a flat figure per car¬ load, using a minimum weight of 30,000 lbs. at same scale of rates to arrive at the carload charges. (Beidel¬ man, 1024-1025.) Generally speaking, this scale of rates started with a state rate of four cents per one hundred pounds, which on basis of 30,000 lbs. per car, would be $12 per carload, grading one cent per one hundred pounds, or $3 per car for each additional state traversed. (Beidelman, 1026.) Proposed Charges. The committee checking out the new tariff found these two different adjustments in effect and determined upon the ''per carload" charge, regardless of weight, as the logical method of harmonizing all territories (Beidel¬ man, 1027), because it encouraged heavier loading, and the difference in expense of protective service between a light and heavily loaded car was negligible. (Beidel¬ man, 1025.) In publishing charges in Section 5 of pro¬ posed tariff an exception was made of the Bangor and Aroostook Railroad, Boston and Maine, Canadian Pa¬ cific and Maine Central in the State of Maine. (Beidel¬ man, 1038.) Explained by Mr. Beidelman (6116 to 6119, inclusive). The adoption of "per carload" basis of charges re¬ sulted in somewhat greater increases from the North Coast territory by reason of the per car basis having already been in effect in that territory against Western Trunk Line territory where present charges are in cents per one hundred pounds, minimum 30,000 lbs. per car. 579 The commodity in the latter territory, generally speak¬ ing, loads heavier. (Beidelman, 1030.) Beidelman's Exhibit No. 10 (4081) shoves the average loading weight of potatoes (carloads) on the Great Northern from October 15, 1917, to April 15, 1918, from the States of Iowa, Minnesota, North Dakota and South, to he: Briggs' Exhibit No. 14 (4095) indicates to what extent the present charges in Western Trunk Line territory have been altered, based on a loading weight of 30,000, 36,000, 40,000 and 45,000 lbs. per car. If cars load as heavy as 45,000 lbs. the proposed rates in that particular territory represent a reduction in nearly all cases. P. B. Beiuelmast (1015), assistant general freight agent. Great Northern Eailroad, St. Paul, Minn. With traffic department that line since 1900. From 1907 to 1916 inclusive handling perishable freight from a traffic department standpoint. From June, 1918, to June, 1919, on committee drafting proposed Perishable Protective Tariff No. 1. E. S. Briggs (1241), traffic manager. Pacific Fruit Ex¬ press Company, San Francisco, Cal. Commenced rail¬ roading, local freight department, 1888. Held various positions in local and general freight office to chief clerk October November December January February March April 43,709 lbs 50,188 " 41,909 " 39,629 " 48,396 " 43,685 " 43,033 " Witnesses and Quaxifications. (For the Administration.) 580 general freight agent, assistant general freight agent for ten years, thence to Pacific Fruit Express Company. Frank E. Moline (2207), inspector of refrigeration and heating service of the Northern Pacific Eailroad, St. Paul, Minn. In capacity of inspector refrigeration and heating service. Northern Pacific, for nineteen years. Duties to look after terminal inspectors on Northern Pa¬ cific between St. Paul and Portland. On road about nine months out of every twelve. W. J. Mooney (2852), supervisor of refrigeration and heating of Great Northern Eailroad, Spokane, Washing¬ ton. In that capacity for four years. Prior to taking service with the Great Northern was engaged in butter, egg and poultry packing and cold storage work. As su¬ pervisor of refrigeration and heating on the Great Northern Eailroad he is on the road practically all the time and covers the line from Williston, N. D., and west about once a month; balance of line east of Williston about once every three months. (2853) (For the Shippers.) E. S. De Pass (1428), traffic manager of the Carnation Milk Products Company, Chicago, 111., which has plants located in the following states: 2 in Oregin, 9 in Wash¬ ington, 1 in Idaho, 6 in AVisconsin, 1 in Illinois, 1 in Michigan; also plant in Ontario, Canada. Mr. De Pass also represents the National Canners Association. L. F. Sainsbury (1846), connected with Lloyd-Garrit- son Company, Yakima, AA^ashington. This firm engaged in buying and shipping fruit. ATith said firm about two months—prior thereto was manager of the Fruit Grow¬ ers Agency for thirteen months, which concern handled legislative matters of interest to fruit industry—prior to that time Air. Saiusbury was manager of the ATakima 581 Valley Traffic and Credit Association, and prior to his service vdth that association he was agent of the North¬ ern Pacific Railroad at North Yakima, Washington, for about seven years. I. L. Plette (1530), manager of the Yakima Valley Traffic and Credit Association. Worked for the North¬ ern Pacific Railroad at Toppenish, Washington, 1914- 1915. H. W. Bishop (4336), headquarters at Grand Forks, N. D. ; traffic manag'er for a number of wholesale fruit houses located in Minnesota, North Dakota, South Da¬ kota, Nebraska, Wyoming, Montana and Washington. In that position over five years. Prior thereto and for the preceding seven or eight years in the general freight office of the Great Northern and M. & St. L. Railroads. P. S. Keiser (4438), representing Commercial Club of Duluth, Minnesota. Started railroading with the Illinois Central Railroad at Mounds, Illinois, 1904 to 1916, and from 1916 to January, 1919. Was secretary and chief clerk to E. B. Boyd, chairman Western Trunk Line Com¬ mittee. 0. W. Tong (4681), traffic manager of the Northern Potato Traffic Association, 712 New York Life Build¬ ing, Minneapolis, Minnesota, for about ten years. Was in the employ of the rate and other departments of the C. St. P. M. & 0. at St. Paul and Omaha. 1907, rate clerk Railroad Commission at Helena, Montana, with whom he was connected for about eight years, after wliich he was engaged in private practice I. C. C. work. Michael C. Ragatz (5061), secretary and traffic man¬ ager for J. C. Pamechon & Company, Minneapolis, Min¬ nesota, wholesale produce concern, handling about 4,000 to 5,000 ears of potatoes and other produce per year. In that position nearly ten years. 582 J. H. Faerell, (5386), engaged in inspecting potato cars at St. Paul for about twenty-five years. Performs this work for a number of shippers. Also attends to firing the stoves and employs messengers for firing cars in transit. Handles approximately 4,000 cars, St. Paul terminals, and an average of about 9,000 cars for entire year. (5387-5388) E. W. Hubbell (5435), with firm of J. R. Beggs & Company, St. Paul, Minnesota, wholesale potato dealers, with warehouses at various points in Minnesota and Wis¬ consin. Beggs & Company have been in business about twenty-five or thirty years. Handle from 2,000 to 4,000 cars per year. W. B. Mumby (5460), traffic manager, L. Starks Com¬ pany, Chicago, engaged in potato business operating in Wisconsin with between 75 and 90 warehouses in that state, handling on an average of about 3,000 cars per year. H. W. Knoche (5575), .traffic manager, Theodore Hamm Brewing Company, St. Paul, Minnesota, manu¬ facturers of beer up to December 1,1918,—after that time manufacturers of cereal beverages. Appears also in be¬ half of Shipping Brewers Traffic Committee, consisting of the Anheuser-Busch Brewing Association, William Lemp Brewing Company, the Independent Brewing Com¬ pany, all of St. Louis; Joseph Schlitz Brewing Company, Pabst Brewing Company, Miller Brewing Company, Val Blatz Brewing Company, WAukesha Brewing Company, of Milwaukee; also eighteen other brewing concerns. Comparison op Present and Proposed Charges. Briggs' Exhibit No. 1 (1242) covers statement of pres¬ ent rates from North Coast territory per carload of any weight, also from Western Trunk Line territory, based 583 on per car of 30,000 lbs. in weight, compared with pro¬ posed charges per carload of any weight. In addition to which is approximate mileage haul from representa¬ tive points in each originating state from which heater charges are now published to representative points of destination; also the percentage increase, based on the charges arrived at as shown above. This statement, showing the proposed rates, represents in money increases ranging from, f3 per car to approxi¬ mately $16 per car. The percentage increase ranges from 17 per cent to approximately 67 per cent. An analysis of the movement indicates that the smaller pro¬ portion of the business is destined to points where the greater increases are made. The maximum increases in the majority of cases are made at points where rates are now out of alignment. It is estimated that the average increase throughout both territories is approximately 25 per cent. Briggs' Exhibit No. 14 (4095) shows a comparison of proposed charges in Western Trunk Line territory, that is, from North Dakota, South Dakota, Minnesota, Iowa, upper Michigan, Wisconsin, Illinois, Indiana (Points in Chicago switching district only) and Missouri, against present charges, based on loading weight of 30,000, 36,000 40,000 and 45,000 lbs. If cars are loaded as heavy as 45,000 lbs., the proposed rates, with very few exceptions, result in a reduction; whereas, loaded to a weight of 40,- 000 lbs., the average increase is very small, ranging from 1 8/10 per cent tip, but in no case exceeding 25 per cent. If loaded to a weight of 36,000 lbs., which is the estab¬ lished taritf minimum weight on potatoes from that sec¬ tion during winter months, the percentage increase in the majority of cases is below 16 per cent. Beidelman's Exhibit No. 10 (4081) shows average 584 weight of potatoes, handled by the Great Northern Rail¬ road, ranged from 39,629 lbs. to 50,188 lbs., and on the basis of the actual loading weight of business handled by that line from Iowa, Minnesota, North Dakota and South Dakota at the rates noAv in effect as compared with the proposed rates, it would result in an increase of 13 per cent to the business handled to Indiana, points in Chicago switching district and also the business handled to northern Michigan. On the business handled from Iowa, Minnesota, North and South Dakota to the States of Colorado, Illinois, Iowa, Itansas, Minnesota, Missouri, Nebraska, North and South Dakota, the proposed rates mean a decrease of one per cent to twenty-one per cent. Briggs' Exhibit No. 6 (1248) covers a comparison of differentials over Chicago used by the Yakima Valley Traffic and Credit Association in assessing charges against their members for "Shippers' Protective Serv¬ ice" supplied en route by the association, as against the differentials for "Carriers' Protective Service" pro¬ posed in Tariff No. 1. As an example, the Yakima asso¬ ciation charges its shippers |10 over Chicago when busi¬ ness is destined to Indiana and southern Michigan. In the Proposed Tariff No. 1 the carriers' charge to those states is $5 per car over Chicago. To western New York, eastern Ohio, western Pennsylvania and "West Virginia, shippers' charge |15, carriers' charge |10 over Chicago. To the states east of the territory just mentioned, in¬ cluding New England States, the shippers charge their members a differential of |22.'50 per car over Chicago as against the carriers' proposed differential over Chi¬ cago, ranging from $10 to |20 per car. Briggs' Exhibit No. 10 (1251), map of United States, showing zones from and to which charges are proposed for "Carriers' Protective Service Against Cold," and comparison of present and proposed rates from Oregon 585 and Washington. This shows the logical grading of the rates as one moves east from the originating territory. Briggs' Exhibit No. 11 (1252), map of United States, showing zones from and to which charges are proposed for "Carriers' Protective Service Against Cold" and comparison of the present and proposed rates from the State of Utah, graphically arranged in the same manner as Exhibit No. 10. Briggs' Exhibit No. 12 (1252), map of United States, similar to Exhibits Nos. 10 and 11, showing present and proposed rates from the State of Minnesota. Tong's Exhibit No. 7 (4990), showing heater car charges arrived at by using Western Classification Eules 9-D and 9-E, on the assumption that the 10 per cent in¬ crease applies to the freight charges only, rather than 10 per cent over both the freight and present heater charges, also present heater car charges to various des¬ tinations against the proposed heater charges. Exhibit shows, for example, from Princeton, Minnesota to St. Louis, present heater charge $21.60, proposed $25.00, on Eule 9-D basis, $9.00 ; Pittsburgh, present $21.60 ; pro¬ posed $35.00, Eule 9-D $14.58; New York, present $21.60, proposed $40.00, Eule 9-D $17.64. Could have charges materially lower than under ex¬ isting tariffs or proposed tariffs (except Texas) and still give the shippers full protection throughout the United States. (Tong, 4991.) Tong's Exhibit No. 8 (4995) shows comparison of pro¬ posed charges from the potato-producing districts in Minnesota, Wisconsin, Colorado and Idaho to various representative destinations, the approximate mileage haul, the assertion being made that the proposed rates are out of line: $25 rate from Minnesota to Cairo, Illi¬ nois, distance of 766 miles, against $25 rate from Minne- 586 sota to Chicago, distance of 450 miles, contention being made that the whole idea about blanketing rates is wrong. (Tr., 4995.) AVitness G. E. Mekeitt offered his Exhibit No. 44, Avhich makes comparison of charges for "Carriers' Pro¬ tective Service" on potatoes, carloads, as proposed in the Perishable Protective Tariff No. 1 (Section 5), and present tariff charges per car from Minnesota, North Dakota and AVisconsin to Colorado, Illinois, Indiana (points in Chicago switching district covered by Agent L. A. Lowrey's Tariff No. 20-J, I. C. C. No. 37), Iowa, Kansas, Alichigan (npper), Minnesota, Missouri, Ne¬ braska, North Dakota, South Dakota and AA^isconsin. The present heater rates with which comparison was made are published in AV. T. L. Circular 12 G, E. B. Boyd's I. C. C. No. A-1020. AA^hile the proposed charges represent some increases when compared Avith the present charges based on the minimum weight of 36,000 pounds, nevertheless, fig¬ ured on the average loading Aveight of 43,000 pounds, po¬ tatoes from the three origin states named, the proposed charges actually represent decreases in all cases except that to the points in Indiana named and to upper Michi¬ gan there is an increase of 16.28 per cent from Minne¬ sota and North Dakota and from AVisconsin to such points in Indiana there is a like increase of 16.28 per cent. (Tr., 8310.) 587 Eates and Services from Western Territory to Official Classification Territory; Also Locaixy Within Of¬ ficial Classification Territory. Present rates from the West are not projected east of Indiana-Illinois state line (Beidelman, 1067), although records of shippers show that in some cases service is given over C. P. A. and eastern trunk lines. (Beidelman, 1096-1097.) There is no heater protective service at present from Transcontinental or Western Trunk Line territory to destinations east of Indiana-Illinois state line (Bell, 1072-1073). Common custom of western lines to remove their heaters at Chicago. Carriers in C. F. A. and East¬ ern Trunk Line territory have never held themselves out to give heater protective service, except as to the Maine railroads previously mentioned. Division of Traffic, United States Eailroad Administration, desires to pro¬ ject this service from points west to points east and the division of operation was asked to provide necessary facilities for giving this service, advice of which would he forthcoming at Chicago hearing. If facilities furnished, rates would he projected east of Chicago as proposed in Tariff No. 1. If eastern railroads could not he equipped, rates and service would be cut off at Chicago. (Bell, 1072-1074; Beidelman, 2299-2300.) Examiner Marshall pointed out the peculiar position in which the Eailroad Administration would be placed if service not established east of Chicago. (Marshall, 1074- 1075.) Approximately 25 per cent of business handled by Pa¬ cific Fruit Express Company from north coast, or 575 cars of season 1917-18, destined to points east of Chi¬ cago; 4J per cent, or 100 cars, destined to points south of the Ohio and east of the Mississippi Eiver; 7| per 588 cent, or 174 cars, destined to Texas points; also 40 cars to Oklahoma and 42 cars to Louisiana. (Brigg's 4097 to 4100, inclusive.) Pennsylvania System Tariff, I. C. C. P-1180, effective December 15, 1918, item 1295, provides : "Cars equipped Avith Baxter and certain other types of heaters will be accepted and inspected en route, fuel will he furnished at charge of 10 cents per gallon for oil, 2 cents per pound of charcoal, which charge includes the service rendered in con¬ nection thereAvith. AVhen charcoal is furnished by shipper and accompanies the car, a charge of 20 cents per car Avill be made for each replenishing of fire." (De Pass, 1430.) Wabash Joint Circular 600-A, effective January 1, 1913, supplemented October 18,1917, Rule 22, covers pro¬ tection to be afforded on that line. (De Pass, 1431-1432.) Yakima Valley Traffic and Credit Association admit charging their shippers same as railroad tariff Avith dif¬ ferentials higher to Eastern territory. (Sainsbury, 1501-1502.) Reasons for continuing present rates and rules in New England territory is that no heater protective service is noAV offered, and it is not likely that any will be offered for the coming season, in Official Classification territory. (Beidelman, 6115 to 6119.) AYe move a large amount of business from Minnesota and AATsconsin into the Central Freight Association ter¬ ritory and the shipper sometimes puts notices on his billing calling for Option 2 service. (Tong, 4983.) There being no charge in effect east of Chicago for protective service, the shipper got the benefit, you might say, of Option 2 service right through to all the eastern destinations for the rate into Chicago proper. (Tong, 4984.) 589 On two cars of potatoes from North Branch, Minne¬ sota, to Grand Eapids, Michigan, they arrived frozen, claim declined, suits instituted in District Court at North Branch, Michigan (19t!a Judicial District), and judg¬ ment rendered against carriers for full loss (Tong, 4985) ; discrimination claimed account southern Michigan shippers to Springfield, Illinois, get heater protection at Illinois state rates, wdiile Minnesota and Wisconsin ship¬ pers move into Illinois on stated rates. (Tong, 4991.) Minnesota and Wisconsin shippers, hoAvever, do not Avant to he placed in the same position as the southern Mich¬ igan shippers. (Tong, 5048.) Insist that if Option 2 is published from Minnesota and Wisconsin to eastern points, then Option 2 charges must also he published from Chicago to such eastern points account of Minnesota and Wisconsin shippers having storage warehouses at Blue Island, Illinois, etc. (Tong, 4994.) If we are going to have Option 2 service at all, we Avant Option 2 service right through to all the destina¬ tions our shipments move, including the Eastern terri¬ tory. (Tong, 5017-5018.) We have a Avarehouse at Joliet, Illinois. Handle 500 or 600 cars (potatoes) per year, should have Option 2 protection to Eastern States same as from their Minne¬ sota and Wisconsin warehouses. (Ragatz, 5160.) Canadian Rates to Canada. The Great Northern carries heater rates to points on their lines in the United Statues, hut not in Canada. Ac¬ count of joining in customs of other Canadian lines they cut oflf the taritf at the Canadian border. Witness Bei- delman, personally, was of the opinion service can be performed as Avell through to Winnipeg as to St. Paul. (Beidelman, 2194-2195.) 590 At present time rates and services are projected through to western Canada destinations, per Countiss' I. C. C. 1043. (Beidelman, 4346-4347.) Increases and Decreases. A somewhat greater increase was made in charges from North Pacific Coast territory because that territory at present enjoys "per carload" charge, regardless of weight. That section was in reality favored with lower charge per unit of 100 lbs., whereas the "Western Trunk Line rates, being at present published at cents per 100 lbs., it follows the heavier a car was loaded, the charge to be paid by consignee for heater service would increase in volume proportionately to the weight of the load placed in car. (Beidelman, 1030-1064.) Beidelman's Exhibit No. 10 (4081) shows Great North¬ ern potato loading, October, 1917, to April, 1918, from Iowa, Minnesota and North and South Dakota, ranging from 39,629 to 50,188 lbs. Proposed charges show in¬ crease of 13 per cent to Indiana, Chicago Switching Dis¬ trict only, and northern Michigan points to Colorado, Illinois, Iowa, Kansas, Minnesota, Missouri, Nebraska, North and South Dakota the decrease ranges from 1 to 21 per cent. Briggs ' Exhibit No. 14 (4095) shows comparison of pro- ])Osed charges in "Western Trunk Line territory, based on loading weight 30,000, 40,000 and 45,000 lbs. When loaded to the latter weight the proposed charges result in, with few exceptions, a reduction in the present rates. On basis of 40.000 lbs. loading, the majority of increases are small. The railroads of the State of Maine increased their heater charges December, 1918, approximately 66 per cent. (Beidelman, 1033.) 591 Beidelman's Exhibit No. 1 (1036) shows the old and new rates in effect from representative shipping points in Maine to various destinations and mileage. On page 2 of that document are shown certain points in Western Trunk Line territory where approximately same distances are involved, together with proposed charges under new tariff. Generally speaking, a result of this comparison shows that proposed rates in Tariff No. 1 for approxi¬ mately equal distances are considerably lower than pres¬ ent rates published from State of Maine. (Beidelman, 1036-1065.) The increase from North Coast territory ranges from 17 per cent upward (Briggs' Exhibit No. 1, 1242, also Beidelman, 1041) from Western Trunk Line territory increases range from 9-1/10 per cent to 15-7/10 per cent, based on potato tariff minimum (Beidelman, 1040-1067). However, the general increase in all territories averages approximately 25 per cent. (Beidelman, 1032-1092.) Con¬ firmed by Briggs (4097-4102.) AVhile the per car increase in some cases seems large, yet when calculated in dollars and cents per car, the meas¬ ure of the difference is comparatively small. (Beidel¬ man, 1043-1044.) Reiser's Exhibit No. 2 (4451) shows the present rate per minimum carload and the proposed rate per carload of any weight from Duluth to various points of destina¬ tion and the percentage of increase in charges, and pur¬ ports to show an average increase of 41 percent. Reiser's Exhibit No. 3 (4451) is a statement showing present rates per minimum carload against the proposed charges per car of any weight into Duluth from various originating states, and purposes to show an average in¬ crease in charges of 40 per cent. 592 Material and Equipment, in Addition to the Car Itself, Needed with Shipments Under Heater Protection. False Floors. Are necessary for protection against frost during win¬ ter inontlis. (Mooney, 2902.) False floors were installed in Great Northern cars within the last five or six years, a considerable period after freight rates on commodity herein involved were made. (Beidelman, 1112-1113.) About forty per cent of the false floors supplied by Northern Pacific are lost. (Moline, 2272.) Northern Pacific use No. 1 grade lumber in false floors, while shippers use much poorer grade on false floors supplied by them to option No. 1 cars. (Moline, 2274.) False floors AA'cigh about 720 pounds per car. (Moline, 2273.) Northern Pacific do not supply false floors to cars mov¬ ing under option No. 1 "shippers protective service" (Moline, 2251), nor do they furnish floor racks on cars moving under refrigeration. However, cars which come to them permanently equipped with racks, such racks re¬ main in the car. (Moline, 2252.) "We expect and we want the carriers to equip every car with a false bottom in conformity with the regulations prescribed by the United States Depart¬ ment of Markets in their Document No. * * * and then the carriers will paper the cars, every car that is sent in for loading." (Tong, 5044.) Tong's Exhibit No. 3 (4732) copies of correspondence as to plan of liaving all cars equipped with false floors. See also proposed Rule 505, Tong, 5055. 593 Car Linings (Sides). For warm air circulation. (Beidelman, 1045-1055.) Car Heaters. (Beidelman, 1055 ; Bidggs, 1253.) Northern Pacific place two heaters in each car, one in each end bunker. (Moline, 2215-2216.) Great Northern use rope with hook to raise and lower heaters. (Mooney, 2864.) Pacific Fruit Express use charcoal heaters. (Briggs, 4117.) Fuel. Northern Pacific cannot use old unburned oil taken from heaters account of being dirty and would smoke and cause damage to shipment. Oil is either dumped out or sent to roundhouses to be used in starting fires in loco¬ motives. (Moline, 2221.) Great Northern strain old oil into a barrel (Mooney, 2863) and reuse. (Mooney, 2905.) Kerosene—Chicago open market present price 13-^ cents per gallon. Burning 24 hours steadily will con¬ sume 2-J gallons costing 34 cents. (De Pass, 1433.) Northern Pacific, when using charcoal heaters, place an additional sack of charcoal in car. (Moline, 2228.) Papering Car. One and one-half rolls paper used per car at $1.25 per roll and about one bunch of lath to about three cars- ( Moline, 2216.) Ragatz Exhibit No. 1 (5087) shows system adopted by Minnesota and Wisconsin potato shippers in loading or preparation of car using false floors in eight sections with four sections in each end of car, one false door, paper jflaced over top of false floor also about three feet up side of walls of car. (Ragatz, 5088.) 594 liagatz Exhibit No. 2 (5088). Pictorial card issued by the United States Department of Agriculture showing proper way to load potatoes during winter months. (Ragatz, 5088.) Would allow carrier for cost of service for five hun¬ dred-mile haul, which figures were used in arriving at Ragatz basis for $2 per 100 miles ; False fioor |4.03 False door .81 Stove 1.41 Paper 1.87 Firing 6.00 Fuel 2.49 Total $16.61 Less $5 car rental and $3 initial expense, balance $8.61. (Ragatz 5130 to 5136 inclusive.) "We do not know how much it would cost the carrier." (Ragatz, 5137.) The shippers individually, and not the association (Yakima Valley Traffic and Credit Association) furnish paper, false floors, false bulkheads, shavings and mattings (Sainsbury, 1500), except that the association furnishes these materials when loaded in refrigeration cars and charges the shipper for same. (Fainhury, 1508.) The association furnishes heaters, fuel and attendants, charg¬ ing members same as railroad rates, and east of Great Lakes differentials. (Sainsbury, 1500.) Cla.ss of Cars Used. The larger i)ercentage of traffic under carriers' pro¬ tection is handled in refrigerator cars. (Beidelman, 1045.) On option 2 cars Nortliern Pacific always used in¬ sulated refrigerator cars, hut shippers have moved their option 1 potatoes in box cars. (Moline, 2265.) 595 On Great jSíortliern if shipper orders car to move tin¬ der option 2, a refrigerator or fully insulated car would be furnished. If car ordered under option 1 and a box car was furnished, change to option 2 would not be per¬ mitted. (Beidelman, 2292.) Great Northern use refrig¬ erator cars on option 2. If there is a shortage of refrig¬ erator cars, then box cars are supplied for option 1. (Mooney, 2289.) Considerable apples have been moved out of Wenatchee Valley by Great Northern in box cars late September and early October, as it was considered safe, but do not con¬ sider box cars between October 15th and the following April 15th. (Mooney, 2903.) Yakima Valley Traffic and Credit Association in winter of 1917 handled 904 cars under "Shippers Protective Service"—of these approximately 585 were box cars. (Sainsbury, 1499.) In 1916 many shipments were moved in box cars, without attention being given them, with con¬ siderable loss. (Sainsbury, 1500.) Yakima Valley Traffic and Credit Association Business season 1918-1919 approximately all handled in refriger¬ ator cars. (Plette, 1539.) Box cars are not suitable equipment at all in winter time for potato loading. (Farrell, 5408.) For season 1916-1917 and 1917-1918 L. Starks & Co. handled from Wisconsin a total of 5,400 cars of potatoes of which 2,501 were box cars and balance were refrig¬ erator cars, insulated cars and some vegetable cars, all furnished throughout winter months. Box cars used account could not get refrigerator cars. (Mumby, 5461.) 596 Factors and Expense Tpieeeof Incident to Heater Service. Territory, St. Paul, Omaha and TFesi. Great Northern have not such items separated in their accounts and cannot give us details (Beidelman, 1083), hut have insisted that proper record he kept on each item. (Beidelman, 1089.) Pacific Fruit Express Company has complete figures. Other roads' figures incomplete. (Beidelman, 1090.) E. S. Briggs' Exhibit No. 2, "Method 1" (1242), shoAVS analysis of movement, expense incident to "car¬ riers protective service against cold," cars handled by Pacific Fruit Express Company season October 15, 1917, to April 15, 1918, with gross and net revenues. The basis of this exhibit is by use of averages per car, re¬ gardless of distance hauled. Illustration is given below in comparison Avith other exhibits, and shows a total average loss of $1.29 per car handled. E. S. Briggs' Exhibit No. 5 (1246) is chart showing range of increase in wages, cost of car heaters and char¬ coal by the Pacific Fruit Express Company years 1915 to 1918 inclusive. This exhibit shows that during that period Pacific Fruit Express average wage increased fifty per cent—price of charcoal increased approximately 77 per cent—and cost of charcoal heaters increased ap- j)roximately 93 per cent. E. S. Briggs' Exhibit No. 15, "Method 2," (6085), amending Briggs' Exhibit No. 2 on basis of using the average figures shown in Exhibit No. 2 for such items as heater depreciation, fuel expense, etc., for tjie aver¬ age mileage haul of all shipments involved in that ex¬ hibit during season of 1917-1918, which figured 1,120 miles. For greater or lesser distances the amounts are 597 calculated on a percentage higher or lower, as Pacific Fruit Express mileage haul shown in column 3 bears to the average haul of 1,120 miles. In Exhibit No. 2 the fractions of cents were dropped, whereas in Ex¬ hibit No. 15 actual fractions were used, which resulted in an average loss of $1.34 per car instead of $1.29. E. S. Briggs' Exhibit No. 19, "Method 3" (8383), is a supplement to Exhibits Nos. 2 and 15—statement showing estimated expense incident to "carriers protec¬ tive service against cold" on carload shipments perish¬ able for season 1918-1919 from Yakima, Washington, to various points of destination in the territory Omaha, Nebraska and west. The following is a comparison of the items of expense as shown under E. S. Briggs' Method No. 1 (Exhibit 2— 1242) ; Method No. 2 (Exhibit 15—6085) ; Method No. 3 (Exhibit 19—8383) : To Spokane, Wash. FROM YAKIMA, WASHINGTON. To Boise, Ida. To Salt Lake City, U. Items Meth. 1 Meth 2 Meth. 3 Aleth. 1 Meth. 2 Meth. 3 Meth. 1 Briggs Briggs Briggs Briggs Briggs Briggs Briggs Exh. 2 Exh. 15 Exh. 19 Exh. 2 Exh. 15 Exh. 19 Exh. 2 (1242) (6085) (8383) (1242) (6085) (8383) (1242) Meth. 2 Meth. 3 Briggs Briggs Exh. 15 Exh. 19 (6085) (8383) Heater Depreciation I 2.57 Fuel 72 Labor 4.56 Overhead 3.93 Interest Return of Heater .50 False Floors Hazard Extra Switching 3.00 Car Rental 5.00 Paper Total Expense 20.31 Proposed Charge 15.00 Profit or Loss $ 5.31 Loss .49 .55 2.57 .93 .14 .50 .72 .26 .87 2.20 4.56 1.64 .75 .59 3,96 1.42 .15 .10 .28 .50 .50 '.50 .50 1.40 1.00 3.'ÓÓ 1.00 5ÍÓÓ 5.ÓÓ 5.00 5.00 5.00 5.00 1.87 1ÓÍ9Ó 14.71 22.31 15 T3 15.00 15.00 17.50 17.50 4.10 .29 4.81 2.47 Profit Profit Loss Profit 1.35 2.57 1.83 1.95 .50 .72 .51 .75 4.45 4.56 3.26 6.70 1.59 3.96 2.83 2.34 .38 .55 .59 .50 ' ^50 .50 .50 1.40 1.40 3.29 • .... 6.25 3.00 4.33 4.33 6.00 5.00 5.00 5.00 5.00 1.87 1.87 23.33 2Í.'64 18KÍ 33.35 17.50 20.00 20.00 20.00 5.83 1.64 1.19 13.35 Loss Loss Profit Loss FROM YAKIMA, WASHINGTON. To Cheyenne, Wyo. To Denver, Colo. To Omaha, Nebr. Meth. 1 Meth. 2 Meth. 3 Meth. 1 Meth. 2 Meth. 3 Meth. 1 Meth. 2 Meth. 3 Items Briggs Briggs Briggs Briggs Briggs Briggs Briggs Briggs Briggs Exh. 2 Exh. 15 Exh. 19 Exh. 2 Exh. 15 Exh. 19 Exh. 2 Exh. 15 Exh. 19 (1242) (6085) (8383) (1242) (6085) (8383) (1242) (6085) (8383) Heater Depreciation $ 2.57 2.71 2.35 2.57 2.92 2.55 2.57 3.87 2.75 Fuel 72 .76 1.00 .72 .82 1.00 .72 1.08 1.50 Labor 4.56 4.81 8.20 4.56 5.18 8.95 4.56 6.87 9.70 Overhead 3.96 4.18 2.84 3.96 4.50 3.09 3.96 5.96 3.34 Interest .81 .73 .88 .80 1.16 .87 Return of Heater 57 .57 .57 .57 .57 .50 .59 .59 .59 False Floors 1.40 1.40 1.40 Hazard 9.12 9.92 10.42 12.91 Extra Switching 7.50 7.50 8.00 4.Í2 4.12 9.00 5.00 10.42 10.00 Car Rental 5.00 5.00 5.00 5.00 5.00 5.00 5.00 5.00 Paper 1.87 1.87 1.87 Total Expense 23.88 2è.34 41.08 2Í.5Ó 23.99 44.15 27.82 34.95 49.93 Proposed Charge 25.00 25.00 25,00 25.00 25.00 25.00 30.00 30.00 30.00 Profit or Loss $ 1.12 1.34 16.08 3,50 1.01 19.15 2.18 4.95 19.93 Profit Loss Loss Profit Profit Loss Profit Loss Loss 600 Bcised on the increased cost of labor and material and for the same number of cars as moved by Pacific Fruit Express Company for season 1917-1918, it is estimated that the average expense per car for the season 1919- 1920 would be— Heater depreciation $6.46 Fuel .72 1918 labor 5.24 1918 overhead 4.35 Eeturn of heater .50 Heater investment 1.93 With the item of car rental, switching and hazard en¬ tirely eliminated, makes total expense of $19.20. (Briggs, 4104.) On basis of average revenue 1917-1918 of $14.11 pel¬ ear, Avould require an increase of thirty per cent in charges to reimburse Pacific Fruit Express for four- year average of hazard alone, counting no other items of expense. (Briggs, 4105.) By using all items of ex¬ pense mentioned above (car rental, switching and hazard included), it would require an increase of over thirty- six per cent. (Briggs, 4105.) By using the average hazard coupled with other items (car rental and switch¬ ing excluded) would require an increase in revenue of approximately 166 per cent. By adding to the above the item of car rental (switching excluded) it would re¬ quire an increase in revenue of 201 per cent. By using all items of expense (hazard, car rental and switching included), it would require an increase of approximately 244 per cent in revenue. (Briggs, 4105.) Minor repairs are made to heaters during season, then the entire sui)ply is assembled at end of season for gen- oral overhauling. (Van Bensselaer, 3235.) Expense of return of stoves St. Paul to Seattle by freight 971 cents, oxy)ress $4.415. (Mooney, 2910.) fiOl E. S. Briggs' Exhibit No. 17 (8383) covers estimated labor expense of the Pacific Fruit Express Company in connection with inspection service carload shipments during season 1918-1919- (method No. 3) in the originat¬ ing loading territory Oregon and Washington, esti¬ mated at $2.12 per car, exclusive of expense of railroad labor used, of which no account is taken. The expense of intransit labor per inspection is estimated at $.744 per inspection, exclusive of railroad labor used, of which no account is taken. This based on a through movement from Washington to Council Bluffs. Tong's Exhibit No. 9 (4996) outlining- theoretical heater charges based on theoretical expense of $3 per car for initial service of supplying false floors and paper, Avith a road charge of $2 per 100 lbs.. (Tong, 4996.) In addition $2 for placing stove in car. (Tong, 4998.) Also $2 per car per day without allowance for free time while car being loaded (Tong, 4999), and $2 per car at destina¬ tion while car being held. (Tong, 5000.) The $2 charge based on proposed Eule 520, page 523. (Tong, 5004.) On this casis the theoretical charge, as an illustration, would be as follows : To Chicago To New York From Idaho Falls, Ida .$33.00 From Idaho Falls, Ida .$51.00 From Greeley, Oolo 23.00 From Greeley, Colo 41.00 From Princeton, Minn 13.00 Bh'om Princeton, Minn 31.00 From Waupaca, WT.s 8.00 From Waupaca, Wis 25.00 Ragatz Exhibit No. 3 (5090) shows cost to shippers of handling protective service, Princeton, Minn., to Kansas City of $21.61, and includes such items as false floors, false doors, stove, paper, labor, fuel and car rental. Changes since exhibit prepared, viz: Quotation on false floors $1.35 per section, 8 sections, $10.80 instead of $12.08, and stove $3.75 instead of $4.25. (Ragatz, 5091.) f)02 Car rental of $5 should be eliminated when carrier protects. On Northern Pacific false door, wood stove and wood should he eliminated and substitute cost of oil stove and fuel. (Eagatz, 5092.). Drayage of returned stoves by Northern Pacific at St. Paul cost approximately $25 per month. They are sent hack to loading territory by baggage or express in pas¬ senger train service. About one and one-half hours per day consumed by clerk in St. Paul local freight office wlio handles stove records. (Moline, 2219.) Great Northern heaters are consolidated at St. Paul and returned west by train baggage in express refriger¬ ators by passenger train—this necessary to save time and avoid purchasing additional heaters. (Mooney, 2867.) We (shipper) pay a man $1 per hour (labor) for tak¬ ing care of cars from Princeton to St. Paul. (Farrell, 5402.) (Mileage Princeton to St. Paul 59.3 miles.) Legitimate items of cost of heater service are depre¬ ciation, labor, switching if any, overhead (if not in line- haul rate) (Keiser, 4489) ; use of refrigerator car (Keiser, 4492) ; fuel (Keiser, 4454) ; hazard (Keiser, 4499). E. S. Briggs' Exhibit No. 8, "Method 1" (1250), is a statement showing proposed charges on carload ship¬ ments under "carriers protective service against cold" from Boise, Idaho, and Pocatello, Idaho, to Denver, Colo., and Omaha, Neb. E. S. Briggs' Exhibit No. 9, "Method 1" (1251), ap¬ plying from Ogden, Utah, and Denver, Colo., to Omaha and Kansas City. The above exhibits to the points named are arrived at by use of fiat average increase, regardless of distance 603 in so far as it relates to heater depreciation, fuel, labor, overhead and interest. E. S. Briggs' Exhibit No. 16, "Method 2" (6086), amends above exhibits and compiled on basis of Pacific Fruit Express average expense for average haul of 1,120 miles, greater or lesser distances proportionately, as explained in Note 2 of E. S. Briggs' Exhibit No. 15. As an example of the comparative results of Exhibits 8, 9, and 16, giving below the figures from Boise, Idaho, to Denver, Colo., and Omaha, Nebraska, also from Den¬ ver, Colo., to Omaha, Neb., and Kansas City, Mo. FROM BOISE, IDAHO FROM DENVER, COLO. To To To To Denver, Colo. Omaha, Neb. Omaha, Neb. Kanas City, Mo. Meth. 1 Meth. 2 Meth. 1 Meth. 2 Meth. 1 Meth. 2 Meth. 1 Meth. 2 Briggs Briggs Briggs Briggs Briggs Briggs Briggs Briggs Items Exh. 8 Exh. 16 Exh. 8 Exh. 16 Exh. 9 Exh. 16 Exh. 9 Exh. 16 (1250) (6086) (1250) (6086) (1251) (6086) (1251) (6086) Use of Refrigerator Car $ 5.00 5.00 5.00 5.00 5.00 5.00 5.00 5.00 Depreciation 2.57 2.10 2.57 3.05 2.57 1.23 2.57 1.46 Fuel 72 .59 .72 .85 .72 .34 .72 .41 Labor 4.56 3.73 4.56 5.42 4.56 2.18 4.56 2.59 Overhead 3.96 3.24 3.96 4.71 3.96 1.90 3.96 2.25 Switching 6.00 6.00 7.00 7.00 2.00 2.00 2.00 2.00 Interest 77 .63 .77 .92 .77 .37 .77 .44 Return of Heater .50 . 50 . 56 . 56 . 50 . 50 . 50 . 50 Total Expense $24.08 21.79 25.14 27.51 20.08 13.52 20.08 14.65 Proposed Charge $22.50 22.50 27.50 27.50 20.00 20.00 25.00 25.00 605 Territory, Omaha, St. Paid and East. E. S. Briggs' Exhibit No. 7, "Method 1" (1248), cov¬ ers present and proposed charges, also analysis of ex¬ pense incident to service from Hood Eiver, Ore., and Yakima, "Wash., to Chicago, Pittsburgh, New York and Boston. E. S. Briggs' Exhibit No. 8, "Method 1" (1250), cov¬ ers analysis of expense incident to carriers' protective service from Boise and Pocatello, Idaho, to Chicago, Pittsburgh, New York, Boston, etc. E. S. Briggs' Exhibit No. 9, "Method 1" (1251), cov¬ ers analysis of expense incident to carriers protective service from Ogden, Utah, and Denver, Colo., to Chi¬ cago, Pittsburgh, New York, Boston, etc. The above exhibits are based on Pacific Fruit Express average cost per car per trip, regardless of distance, up to Omaha (Briggs, 1262) plus figures beyond Omaha based on estimates as the mileage beyond Omaha bears to the mileage up to Omaha. (Briggs, 1270.) E. S. Briggs' Exhibit No. 16, "Method 2" (6086), amending E. S. Briggs' Exhibits 7, 8 and 9. Figures in this exhibit are based on Pacific Fruit Express average expense for average haul of 1,120 miles, greater or lesser distances proportionately. Below will be found comparison of the total expense : 606 To To To To From Chicago Pitts- New Boston burg York Hood River, Ore. (Exhibit No. 7): "Method 1" "Method 2" Proposed Charge $34.83 43.41 40.00 $41.43 51.74 50.00 $47.62 59.59 55.00 $50.51 62.95 60.00 Yakima, Wash. (Exhibit No. 7): "Method 1" "Method 2" Proposed Charge 34.78 43.25 40.00 41.37 51.55 55.00 47.55 59.43 55.00 50.44 62.76 60.00 Boise, Idaho (Exhibit No. 8): "Method 1" ; "Method 2" Proposed Charge 32.83 35.98 .. 37.50 40.32 44.34 47.50 47.65 52.45 52.50 50.79 55.82 57.50 Pocatello, Ida. (Exhibit No. 8): "Method 1" "Method 2" Proposed Charge 33.03 31.90 .. 35.00 . 41.80 40.30 45.00 50.24 48.24 50.00 53.61 51.49 55.00 Ogden, Utah (Exhibit No. 9): "Method 1" "Method 2" Proposed Charge 33.28 31.15 35.00 42.31 39.56 45.00 50.87 47.49 50.00 54.26 50.75 55.00 Denver, Colo. (Exhibit No. 9) : "Method 1" "Method 2" Proposed Charge 29.32 21.92 .. 30.00 38.13 30.20 40.00 46.66 38.12 45.00 ■ 50.05 41.54 50.00 The above comparisons do not include hazard, which from Washington and Oregon to Omaha average $18.37 per car. Seattle to Minnesota transfer fuel cost about $3.40, Seattle to Chicago fuel cost $4.40, Seattle to Boston fuel cost $7.10, if fires are kept burning constantly. (De Pass, 1434.) Cost ,to J. K. Beggs & Company, St. Paul, handling option 1 cars in 1917-1918—eight runs total 40 cars St. Panl to Joliet, 111. Messenger (labor) average cost per trip $19.70—average $3.94 per car. Six runs, average 6), cars per run, St. Paul to East St. Louis, messenger per trip $27.40 ; average per car $4.33. One run, total 5 cars, St. Paul to Savannah, 111., mes- 607 senger per trip fil.50; average per car |2.30. (Hubbell, 5440.) The above figures do not include personal expenses based on $3.50 per day salary. At present time imagine it would be $4 or $5 per day, out of which man must pay his own expenses. (Hubbell, 5445-5446.) Car Heaters. (Number, Kind, Cost, Weight and Type.) Also Heater Supply Points. Great Northern Railroad. Have 3,741 oil heaters and 1,100 portable heaters, or potato (wood) stoves (Mooney, 2853) in addition to 1,005 Moore heater cars. (Mooney 2854.) Heater attachments on Moore cars over the old style refrigerator cars cost in 1917, $113.75. (Mooney, 2921.) Oil heaters weigh about 51 to 55 lbs. (Mooney, 2854.) Hold 2| gallons of oil, originallj' cost between $5.00 and-$7.00, cost,to-day $13.64. Sheet iron portable stoves burn wood or char¬ coal, Aveigh approximately 65 lbs. (Mooney, 2855.) Av¬ erage life of oil heater, 6 to 7 years. Portable stove life about 3 years. Portable heater costs to-day about $4.35. (Mooney, 2856.) Great Northern oil heaters will burn about 72 hours without replenishing (Mooney, 2890), but they don't trust them over 24 hours. (Mooney, 2928.) Oil costs about 8|- cents per gallon. (Mooney, 2891.) Wood portable stoves burn from 3 to 6 hours. (Mooney, 2905.) On the potato traffic Great Northern tear wood stoves out of cars at St. Paul and the Burlington put in oil heaters. None of Great Northern stoves are allowed to go to connecting lines. (Farrell, 5395.) Burlington oil stoves hold about 2 gallons of water, 1| gallons of oil, weight 20 lbs., and are placed in ice box 60S of car by means of rope, one man on top of car, one man in ice box. (Farrell, 5396.) Time of just placing heater in car, 10 minutes. (Mooney, 2892.) About 5 to 10 min¬ utes to refill heater. (Mooney, 2892.) Great Northern removes heaters at their terminals and replace with other heaters. (Beidehnan, 2188.) Northern Pacific Railroad. Winter season, 1918-19, Northern Pacific had in serv¬ ice 3,500 oil heaters and 175 charcoal heaters. Weight of oil heaters, empty, 25 to 27 lbs. Hold about 3 gallons of oil. (Moline, 2205.) With oil added, weight about 51 to 53 lbs. Baxter charcoal heaters, weight, empty, 40 lbs.; filled, 60 lbs. Baxter heaters used by the P. F. E. constructed heavier and weigh heavier than Northern Pacific charcoal heaters. Life of Northern Pacific Bax¬ ter heaters about 7 years. Life of oil heaters 7 or 8 years. (Moline, 2205.) Northern Pacific oil heaters cost $12 each. Cost to-day |15 to |18 each. Charcoal heaters cost $16.50 in 1913 and will be scrapped after this year. (Moline, 2225.) Would probably have to pay at present time from $20 to $25 for heaters. (Moline, 2233.) North¬ ern Pacific send all stoves through repair shops before beginning of each season. (Moline, 2217.) Keep one man at Spokane about 4 months at 64 cents per hour, 8 hours per day. Two men Como shops, St. Paul, 5 months on repair Avork. One man St. Paul, proper, 5 months. Northern Pacific stoves make about 4 trips per winter season. (Moline, 2220.1 While heaters may burn 36 consecutive hours, yet the Northern Pacific won't take that chance; won't let them run over 24 hours: inspect them every 10 or 15 hours. (Moline, 2227.) Yakima Valley Traffic and Credit Association paid $12 plus freight, 58 cents each, for same type of heater as 609 Northern Pacific. (Sainsbury, 1504.) The association depreciate their small stoves 25 per cent yearly ; large stoves and floor racks, 10 per cent yearly. (Sainsbury, 1514.) Pacific Fruit Express Gompanp. Started season 1917-18 with 1,750 charcoal heaters. After close of season had 1,680. (Briggs, 1253-4118; cor¬ roborated by Van Rensselaer, 3223.) P. F. E. first pur¬ chased 50 charcoal heaters, November, 1914, which were out of commission fall of 1918. Of second purchase of 50 heaters, November, 1915, 20 of the stoves were out of commission fall of 1918. (Briggs, 4117.) P. F. E. heater average life 5 years ; make average of 1^ trips per season. (Briggs, 1269-4138.) Considerable damage done in han¬ dling on return of heaters. (Van Rensselaer, 3234.) P. F. E. heaters weigh 60 lbs. (Briggs, 1279.) To get proper efficiency from heaters charcoal must be specially prepared and of proper size. (Van Rensselaer, 3234.) Witness H. A. Huber testified as follows : Heaters purchased in June, 1915, and November, 1915, cost $12 and $13.50 each. They are known as the 0. K. Charcoal Heaters. The first ten purchased were $12 each and the remaining 485 $13.50 each. In 1916 we purchased 225 Cole Heaters, costing $16 each. (Tr., 6025.) In June, 1917, we purchased 150 more Cole Heaters, costing $16 each. In 1918 we purchased 50 of an entirely new type, known as the Simplex, Avhich cost us $16.50 each. All of these are charcoal heaters. The Rock Island employees, certain Rock Island employees, assisted in the develop¬ ment of heaters known as the 0. K., Cole and Simplex. We did a vast amount of experimental work on our own account, and as the experiments progressed we gave the benefit of these experiments to the manufacturers. We feel, therefore, that in all probability we get a better 610 price on the heaters which we purchased than some pur¬ chased by other carriers. I have obtained ditïerent prices from different concerns, and they average about $21 each for charcoal heaters for the coming winter. (Tr,. 6026.) I will state in this connection that when we first started to use the charcoal heaters we have a great deal of trouble on account of the heaters being out in transit and that experience demonstrated that the charcoal was not a proper size and quality. Charcoal for portable heaters must be about the size of a walnut and it is ab¬ solutely important that it be thoroughly charred, dry, and without knots or dust. The efficiency of the heat¬ ers depends largely and practically almost entirely upon the charcoal being of the proper size and quality. We found that if the charcoal was too large it would not feed satisfactorily from the magazine into the fire pot. Furthermore, if there was any undue amount of dust the latter would check the fire. We also demonstrated to our absolute satisfaction that charcoal made in bee¬ hive kilns was not satisfactory for the simple reason that it is not properly charred. If the charcoal is not fully charred it will smoke and as the heaters are placed in the cars and there are no stacks to take off the smoke to the outside it is necessary that we have a charcoal that is practically smokeless. (Tr., 6026, 6027.) The effect of the smoke on the commodity which is being transported in the car is that it Avould naturally damage and taint that commodity. Our experiments later on with different charcoals demonstrated that char¬ coal produced in retorts is the only satisfactory char¬ coal. (Tr., 6027-28.) To witness' knowledge we have not used any other during the past four years. Wo also found that in get- 611 ting charcoal of the right size, that is, in crushing the charcoal to the size which we required, it resulted in somewhat of a waste; in fact, the manufacturers have told us that it takes from 5 to 6 tons of ordinary lump charcoal to produce 1 ton of the size that we require. I do not want to convey the impression, however, that everything of the charcoal resulting from the crushing but what we want is an absolute waste. The manufac¬ turers do find a market for what is left, but the charcoal we require takes 5 or 6 tons for 1 ton for us. The price of charcoal in 1916 was $20 per ton ; in 1917, $32; 1918, $48, plus a foreign line freight rate of $2.52. Those prices were f. o. b. at Cadillac, Mich. (Tr., 6028.) We also found it necessary to go as far east as Rochester for some charcoal, on which the freight rate was higher. I am not able to state the exact freight rate to-day, but it must have been considerably higher. (Tr., 6028-6029.) The freight rate of $2.52 per ton was between Cadillac, Mich., and Chicago, 111. I have no prices for 1919, but I am frank to admit that the prices are going to be some¬ what less, but not very much. We had no contracts. (Tr., 6029.) The following are the heater supply points on the Great Northern and Northern Pacific: P. F. E. Co. Great Northern Northern Pacific Not of record. All heaters are re¬ turned from eastern Portland terminals of Great Tacoma Northern to Hill- Seattle yard. Wash., the Auburn first point where Ellensburg they begin to issue Yakima them on eastboundToppenish business. From there Pasco they work from one Spokane division point to an- Kootenai other as they are Paradise 612 taken ont of car and Missoula exchanged for new Bntte ones. Helena (Mooney, 2908.) Livingston Laurel Billings Forsyth Miles City Dickenson Glendive Mandan Jamestown Fargo Dillsworth Lake Park Grand Forks Pemhina Brainerd Winnipeg Staples Duluth St. Paul Minneapolis Minnesota Transfer Edgeley Carrington Castleton Sanburn Crookston Detroit Aldrich Fergus Falls Valley City Wahpeton Cakes IJttle Falls Morris Sauk Centre St. Cloud Hinckley Carlton Wadena (Molino, 228Í-2) C13 The Inadequacy of Pkesent Charges. P. P. E. average heater revenue received per car for business handled season 1917-18 was |14.11. The claim payment for freezing or overheating, average of 4 years, was $18.37 per car, or claim payment was an average of $4.26 per car in excess of revenue received. (Briggs, 1255.) Proposed rates are not high enough. (Briggs, 1255, 1276, 1278.) If I was in the position of the railroads I would not want to lose money. (Keiser, 4502.) Agrees that proper time to increase charges is when the carrier is conducting his business at a loss. (Keiser, 4504.) From the information I can get, and it is from reliable concerns, the railroads are losing money hand over fist, and I want to help them and I would be willing to suffer for a year or two to get them on their feet. (Keiser, 4504-4505.) Inspectors, Messengers and Inspection Points. Some lines send messengers or attendants with trains to look after heaters and service en route between term¬ inals. (Beidelman, 1077.) The Great Northern railroad sends attendants with trains. (Beidelman, 1078.) Messengers accompany cars either from Troy or Whitefish, dependent on severity of weather; also on potatoes from Minnesota. (Mooney, 2869.) The Great Northern takes temperatures 4 times daily, 6:00 A. M., noon, 6:00 P. M. and midnight. (Mooney, 2865.) Northern Pacific records temperatures 4 times daily. GU inspects ventilators, stoves, fires, doors, drain pipes. Oil stoves are handled on push cars from storage to cars. (Moline, 2215.) Briggs' Exhibit No. 13 (1253), statement of represent¬ ative cars, shoAving temperature record of commodities taken inside of car and other data of inspection made by Pacific Fruit Express Company at point of shipment and at various points en route. Record made of date and hour of arrival, date and hour of departure, date and hour of inspection; record of outside temperature, also inside commodity temperature, center of car both at top and bottom of load. Pacific Fruit Express Company has inspectors, but no messengers. (Briggs, 1254.) Twenty-three regular inspection points on the Union Pacific System Lines and many other inspections at points of origin, destination and point of delivery to con¬ necting line. 2 additional inspection points contem¬ plated. (Van Rensselaer, 3223.) Car, Portland, Oregon, to Council Bluiïs, Iowa, would be inspected 12 times. At each inspection point there are from 2 to 4 inspectors employed during winter months. Other employees of railroad or car line are drafted into this service. Average wage from 40 to 58| cents per hour. Railroad bills Pacific Express Company for actual time of railroad employees. (Van Rensselaer, 3224-3225.) P. F. E. inspection includes— Cleaning of cars. Inspection of ice bunkers. Plugging of drain pipes. Inspection of doors. Inspection of hatch plugs. Inspection of hatch covers. Taking temperature of lading after car loaded. Taking air temperature of car after car loaded. Each station is equipped with thermometer in perma- 615 nent location and outside temperature records taken, record taken of side door seals broken by inspectors and new seals applied (Van Rensselaer, 3227), making rec¬ ord of any other conditions in ofSce file (Van Rensselaer, 3228), replenishing charcoal, emptying ashes. (Van Rensselaer, 3230-3231.) Estimate takes one man about 40 minutes to make all the inspection. (Van Rensselaer, 3233.) Great Northern estimate one man 20 to 30 minutes on one car, if more than one car, press into service any¬ where from 4 to 10 men. (Mooney, 2864.) It would take one man about 25 minutes to install wood stove in Great Northern car. (Farrell, 5424.) About 5 minutes to take stove out. (Farrell, 5425.) Allow one hour for installation of a stove, which is nearer right than 10 minutes. (Keiser, 4453-4.) Ragatz Exhibit No. 4 (5095), statement showing cost of firing cars, moved under Option 1 by J. C. Famechon Company, Minneapolis, 1918-19, which is an average of 17.55 per car (for labor) exclusive of lining, stove, wood, etc. Reference is made to cars moving to Kansas City. Briggs Exhibit No. 18 (8383), statement showing esti¬ mated time and estimated expense for labor required to initially equip cars for carriers' protective service against cold ; also estimate as to time and expense at des¬ tinations or junction points at time of delivery to con¬ necting lines, in addition to which, estimate of intransit inspection. This results in an estimated total time of 2 men, 3 hours, counting dead time, at 40 cents, or total $1.20 for initial equipping car. Estimated expense of service at junction points of delivery to connecting line or at destination, including dead time, and office labor chargeable to inspection, 2 hours and 30 minutes at 40 cents per hour, or total $1 ; 616 origmatiiig and destination or delivery to connecting line, estimated total expense of $2.20 per car. Intransit inspection, with dead time, estimated 1 hour and 40 min¬ utes, 45 cents, or total 75 cents per inspection. Con¬ firmed by auditor's figures of grand average at Eeith, Oregon, and North Platte, Nebraska, 76 cents per inspec¬ tion. (Briggs, 8383.) INSPECTION POINTS AND MEN EMPLOYED. PACIFIC FRUIT EXPRESS CO. (BRIGGS' EXHIBIT 4 (1245)) (BRIGGS' EXHIBIT 17 (8383)) Station Men Gerber Calif. R. R. Ashland Ore. 1 Portland " 1 Reith " 2 La Grande " (New) Huntington " 2, Seattle Wash. 1 Spokane " 1 Wallula " 3 A'akima " 4 Glenns Ferry... Idaho 3 Nampa " R. R. Pocatello " 4 Montpelier. " 3 Butte Mont. R. R. Ogden Utah 1 Salt Lake City...." 1 Green River. . . .Wyo. 4 25% Laramie " 4 25% Cheyenne " 4 25% No. Platte Neb. 4 25% Beatrice " R. R. Council Bluffs.. Iowa R. R. Denver Colo. 6 Ellis Kan. R. R. Marysville " 1 Kansas City Mo. 3 50% Omaha Neb. 1 St. Joseph. Mo. R. R. And all points of origin and destination and where delivered to or received from connecting line; also any points where cars are delayed 6 hours or more. GREAT NORTHERN R. R. (MOONEY 2857 to 2861, inclusive; also 2874) NORTHERN PACIFIC R. R. (MOLINE 2207 to 2215, inclusive; also 2218-2223-2226-2227-2245) Station Seattle Wash. Hollywood Troy Mont. Whiitefish Cut Bank Havre Bowdoin Wolf Point Williston N. Minot New Rockford.. . . Breckenridge... Minn. Willmar Minnesota Tfr.... Melrose Barnesville Redlands Sioux City Iowa Ihlen Minn. Sioux Falls S. D. St. Paul Minn. Minneapolis " Minneapolis., " Fridley " Superior Mich. Lake Traverse.. Minn. Duluth " Cass Lake " Sandstone " Kelly Lake " Judith Gap Mont. Clancey " Butte " Great Falls " Devils Lake... .N. D. Grand Forks " Fargo " Men Frt. office force 4 2 3 and Section 2 4 1 and Car Men 4 6 4 8 6 5 1/3 (Joint) 2 87i% 2 87é% 2 2 1 part I part I I 1 2 2 1 1 2 2 2 75% 20% 25% 10% 10% 10% I hr. day I part 1 part 7 part 2 50% 3 1 50% Station Men Seattle Wash. 2 Portland Ore. I Auburn Tfr.... Wash. 2 Ell«»*"! • rass.."" Yakima " 2 Pasco " 3 ■ rSltSSen"" Spokane -...." I Park Water " 3 Kootenai Idaho I Paradise Mont. 2 Missoula " 2 Helena " 2 E"'»!"» • rHiSen""' Laurel " 3 Billings " 2 Forsyth " I Glendive " 2 Dixon N. D. 1 Mandan " 2 Jamestown " 2 Fargo " I Dilworth Minn. 2 Staples " 2 NorthtownTfr.... " 3 Minneapolis " I Minnesota Tfr.... " 3 (Joint) St. Paul " I and Helpers Duluth " I 618 . Movement and Geowth of Business. Great Northern. Beidelman's Exhibit No. 9 (4079), showing total num¬ ber carloads of potatoes loaded at stations in Minnesota, North and South Dakota; also number of such cars han¬ dled under "Carriers' Protective Service" during win¬ ter months as follows; Season Season Season 1916-17 1917-18 1918-19 Total number cars potatoes loaded 5853 6271 6586 Number of cars under ' ' Carriers ' Pro tective Service" 2832 3855 5188 Percentage under "Car¬ riers' Protective Serv¬ ice" 41% 61% 79% Total movement potatoes (carloads) loaded at stations on Great Northern in Montana, North Dakota, South Da¬ kota and Minnesota, as follows : Season July, 1916, to June, 1917 9,528 cars " " 1917, " " 1918 11,099 " " 1918, " " 1919 14,394 " (Beidelman, 4080.) Principal business under Option 2 is apples and pota¬ toes. (Mooney, 2877.) Pacific Fruit Express Company. E. S. Briggs' Exhibit No. 3 (1245). Following cars handled by Union Pacific System Lines under Option 2 : Apples binder Option 2 (Briggs, 6139) Season 1914-1915 68 cars 62 cars " 1915-1916 324 " 225 " " 1916-1917 2291 " 1426 " " 1917-1918 2315 " 1415 " " 1918-1919 3261 " 2185 " 619 Total movement of all commodities for 1918-19, 3261 cars. Difference between apple movement and total movement consists of a few cars of pears, cabbage, onions, and balance potatoes. (Briggs, 6139.) Keiser's Exhibit No. 4, statement showing carload heater traffic from Stone-Ordean-Wells Company of Du- luth, Minn., from October 15, 1918, to April 15, 1919 : 2 cars to Wisconsin 2 " " Minnesota 23 " " North Dakota 13 " " Montana Total 40 cars If deprived of privilege of railroad employees protect¬ ing their business en route (free of charge) would cost them |900 yearly. (Keiser, 4457.) Tong's Exhibit No. 1, production by carloads of pota¬ toes in various potato districts of United States as pre¬ pared by the United States Department of Agriculture. Official estimate of production in carloads of 700 bush¬ els, weight of 60 lbs. per bushel, shows the following il¬ lustrations : Tong's Exhibit No. 2. Number of bushels of potatoes on hand in various producing states January 1, 1918, as determined by the United States Department of Agricul¬ ture : State 1917 1918 54,286 49,942 51,300 40,800 49,997 47,342 48,000 46,800 42,189 34,857 28,928 32,000 New York Michigan Wisconsin Minnesota Pennsylvania Maine (Tong, 4682.) 620 New York Michigan Wisconsin Minnesota Maine 58^0 " 60% " 507o " 55% " 60% " 58% of production Colorado Usually about 50 per cent of the business moves prior to January 1st and about 50 per cent moves after Jan¬ uary 1st of each year. (Tong, 4683.) The bulk of the potato traffic out of St. Paul via the Burlington. (Farrell, 5391.) Minnesota and Wisconsin seed potatoes move in Jan¬ uary principally to Texas and Louisiana, some to the southeast. February movement gradually moves north, points in Arkansas and Oklahoma, in March some move¬ ment to Arkansas and Oklahoma. (Ilubhell, 5438.) J. E. Beggs & Company, St. Paul, handle from 1,000 to 2,000 cars potatoes each winter under Option 2. Average load¬ ing slightly over 36,000 lbs. (Huhbell, 5457.) Great Northern. There is expense in switching cars en route on Great Northern in order to perform heater service account of being cheaper to switch to some designated point in yard to look after the heaters and replenish the fuel than it is to have men carry cans of oil and sacks of charcoal over yard between tracks. (Beidelman, 1122.) Switch cars to designated tracks at Hillyard, Wash¬ ington, Great Falls, Montana, Livermore, Minn., St. Paul and Minneapolis, Minn. At Whitefish heater and ma¬ terial are sent to cars and distributed by push cars. At Havre, Wolf Point, "Williston, Minot, Now Eockford and Breckenridge handled in the same way. (Mooney, 2862), and ;it Willmar ti'aiii lieaded in on track No. 1 Switching Sekvice on Heated Caes. 621 and use a switch engine to distribute heaters alongside of train. IVhen snow is had or impossible to use main line, heat¬ ers are loaded on sleds instead of push cars and sleds are pushed up and down track. (Mooney, 2927.) Special switching is performed and chargeable to op¬ eration of heating other than Avould be performed on other cars drawing into the terminal or division point. If they do not render heat it is not necessary to switch. (Mooney, 2930.) About an average of six or seven cars per drag at Hillyard. (Mooney, 2932.) Sometimes the heater house is two or three miles from where Great Northern can handle heater cars, therefore must switch. (Mooney, 2933.) Pacific Fruit Express Company. E. S. Briggs' testimony corroborates for account of Pacific Fruit Express operation as to expense of switch¬ ing cars to icing platforms and designated tracks at in¬ spection points. (Briggs, 1264.) The switching of cars to ice house or designated tracks is on account of the labor—must handle ladder, rope, thermometer, fuel, etc. (Briggs, 1280.) Trains in which cars under "carriers heater service" are handled will average less than five cars per train over Oregon Short Line and Union Pacific. Switching also desiralfie to avoid personal injury risk. (Briggs, 1281.) Switching shown on Briggs' Exhibits 7, 8 and 9, serv¬ ice east of Omaha based on estimates or theory beyond Pacific Fruit Express Lines. |1 per car per switch used. Average 10 switches North Coast to Omaha, 3 switches between Omaha and Chicago, 3 switches between Chi¬ cago and Pittsburgh, 3 switches between Pittsburgh and 622 New York, on the theory that cars will have to be in¬ spected at each divisional terminal. (Briggs, 1284- 1285.) $1 per car per switch based on Eoseville, Cab, operations where summer conditions prevail through¬ out the year. Cost of switching average drag of 16 cars to ice house, |5.82, or $.364 per car—on Oregon Short Line and Union Pacific heater cars average less than 5 cars per train—divide $5.82 by 5=$1.16 switching ex¬ pense per car. However, only use $1 per car. (Briggs, 1286-1287-41-45-4146.) Cars on Union Pacific are sometimes switched for in¬ spection but am not in position to say in how many in¬ stances it was done one way or the other—not on road enough to say as to this. (Van Eensselaer, 3230.) Service. A. T. £ S. F. At present the Santa Pe Eailroad do not provide heater car service in transit. The only protective serv¬ ice they supply is heat at division points before depart¬ ure or at destination while car is standing on track. If weather conditions are severe, stove is installed and charge of $2 per day. (Nelson, 1126-9.) Great Northern. On eastbound business install one heater in each bunker at Hillyard, Wash., a point about 4 miles east of Spokane. (Mooney, 2856.) In majority of cases cars move out of Hillyard with both heaters lighted, in other cases they are lighted at Troy, Montana, 135 miles east of Hillyard. (Mooney, 2857.) AVlien Great Northern light fires, they start both stoves. On potatoes fires are started when outside tem- 623 perature 20 degrees above, other commodities when tem¬ perature 10 degees above zero. When outside temperature falls below 15 degrees above zero third stove is installed in head-end bunker. (Mooney, 2866.) Northern Pacific. Places two heaters in cars, one in each bunker, and when it is extremely cold three heaters are used. (Mo- line, 2223.) The majority of stoves on eastbound busi¬ ness are lighted at Spokane and Park Water, Wash. Sometimes lighted at loading points and ears are heated before being set for loading; that is, at Yakima, Wash., sometimes at Auburn and Ellensburg. (Moline, 2224.) Northern Pacific last winter, generally speaking, pre¬ heated all cars going into potato section, which brought about better results than contrary practice of previous years. (Moline, 2263.) Northern Pacific started false flooring option 2 cars in 1914 and started in 1918 to papering floors and sides of cars. (Moline, 2216.) Season 1918-19 Northern Pacific started prewarming cars before loading or as car was being sent out to load¬ ing points. About 75 per cent of cars prewarmed. (Mo¬ line, 2221.) Have had little complaint from shippers. (Moline, 2224.) Northern Pacific have had cases where cars have been held week or ten days at Spokane account temperature on line further east being between 32 and 52 degrees below zero. (Moline, 2222.) 624 Pacific Fruit Express Co. Have used every avenue open to improve service, not¬ withstanding' Avhich our average claim payment was 118.37 per car. (Briggs, 1255.) All cars on Union Pacific are handled in expedited service. (Van Eensselaer, 3230.) J. Curtis Robinson, traffic manager Northwestern Fruit Exchange, Seattle, Wash., in letter December 16, 1918, addressed to Pacific Fruit Express Co., writes : "I think that your company has been one of the foremost in the study of this problem (he is speak¬ ing of heater service) and that you are as anxious to determine what is the best way of keeping this fruit in as nearly the same condition as when it left shipping point as any of the shippers in the north¬ west." (Briggs, 6090-6091.) At Toppenish during daytime could carry two stoves two blocks; install in bunkers of car in half an hour. (Plette, 1533-34.) At night it would probably require from three-quarters of an hour to an hour, sometimes longer. (Plette, 1534.) No inspection at that point. (Plette, 1536.) The shippers of Duluth preheat all cars whether mov¬ ing under option 1 or option 2. (Keiser, 4458.) Keiser Exhibit No. 5. (4497.) Heater car card used l)y Duluth shippers and placed on cars of perishables requiring heater attention. (Keiser, 4497.) Duluth shippers want option 2 service. (Keiser, 4498.) We expect that cars moving under option 1 shall make schedule time and where railroad delays cars they should afford some protection. (Ragatz, 5385.) Great Northern messengers from potato districts into St. Paul take care of both option 1 and option 2 cars in tlie train. 625 111 addition to his salary from the railroad, the rail¬ road messenger was also paid so much per car by ship¬ per for taking care of option 1 cars. Northern Pacific do not send messengers. (Farrell, 5389-5390.) The switching on the Great Northern and Northern Pacific on option 1 cars is the same as on option 2 cars. (Farrell, 5406.) Option 2 service is much superior to option 1 service. (P^arrell, 5429.) Want optional service through to Arkansas, Okla¬ homa, Texas and Louisiana account seed stock moving January to March. (Hubbell, 5438.) Option 2 service operated by carriers is to a certain extent better than option 1 service operated by carrier. (Hubbell, 5453.) Until the past season J. R. Beggs Company loaded practically everything option 1. (Hubbell, 5458.) Tong's Exhibit No. 5. (4988) Illustration of kind of service given option 2 shipments. (Tong, 4988.) Admits substance is a complaint as to character of service he has been receiving, which is not in issue in this case. (Tong, 5054.) Tong's Exhibit No. 6. (4989) Discrimination between option 1 and option 2 service. (Tong, 4989.) Admits substance of this exhibit is not in issue in this case. (Tong, 5053.) Protection needed into Oklahoma; also Avants rates into Texas. (Tong, 5003.) Ragatz's Exhibit No. 5. (5097) Intended to show discrimination by carriers in furnishing equipment for option 1 service as compared with option 2. (Not at issue in this case.) 626 Hazaed. Briggs' Exhibit Xo. 3. (1245) Statement showing risk involved and claim payments account freezing dam¬ age on cars moving under option 2 "carriers' protective service" over Union Pacific System lines: The average four years hazard was $18.37 per car ■ Avhile the average heater revenue for season 1917-18 was $14.11, Avhich amount lacks $4.26 per car of being suf¬ ficient to meet the claim payments. What Mr. Wicks says (about hazard on apples) must be correct, because first season we were in the heater business. While we admit we did not know as much about it as we do now, we carried two cars into New York as baked apples. We paid for cars account of overheating. Our temperatures through which busineses is handled not uniform account of going over mountains and varying elevations. This requires great vigilance. (Briggs, 6143-6146.) Great Northern burned man to death at Breckenridge year ago (1918) when heater exploded and before he could get out of bunker. (Mooney, 2866.) Great Northern oil heaters must be changed at each inspection point and new ones installed for reason that oil shi])ped in metal containers, coming in contact with heat or cold, forms water through condensation. This water settles at bottom of heater and freezes, which im¬ pairs the heating cfiiciency. (Mooney, 2906.) Season 1914-15 1915-16 1916-17 1917-18 Average claim per car for season $24.01 10.28 18.27 19.44 General average four seasons for 18.37 627 Great Northern have protected by heat westbound shipments of condensed milk. (Mooney, 2912-13-14.) Entitled to something for hazard. (Briggs, 2188.) Hazard should be taken into consideration in making heater rates. (Keiser, 4499.) Northern Pacific have had three or four fires—^burned np one or two cars. (Moline, 2217.) Lettuce and vegetables freeze very easily while canned goods is less liable to freezing. (Moline, 2241.) One claim will more than offset salary of inspector, or claim on one car likely to amount to one man's salary for year and a half. (Moline, 2246.) Handling shipments under protection from cold more difficult than handling shipments under refrigeration. (Moline, 2247.) The claim situation on option 1 shipments is one of the things that has made it desirable for shippers to use option 2. (Hubbell, 5453.) L. Starks & Company experience about three to one claim loss on potatoes handled in box cars than those forwarded in refrigerator cars. A good many box cars on which loss of four, five, six and seven hundred dollars per car. (Moline, 5463.) Canned Goods. {Including Canned Milk.) Carnation Milk Products Company has built several condensarles in the middle west to help supply the east¬ ern demand. They ship into all sections as far east as Maine, and protective charges proposed in Section 5 will work a serious hardship to their business account of their competition being from manufacturers whose G28 plants are located in the east near the markets with lower freight rates. (De Pass, 1437.) Condensed milk not included in present heater tariff. Condensed or evaporated milk is not actually a perish¬ able article, not affected by age, heat or ordinary cold Aveather, and does not need heater service. (De Pass, 1438.) Yet in few cases when shipments unusually de¬ layed, were frozen. Also a car from west moving east delayed Avas damaged. (De Pass, 1438.) Carnation Milk Products Company shipped approxi¬ mately 1,500 cars Avinter 1917-1918. (De Pass, 1447.) Tavo cars sustained freezing; one car from Ferndale, Washington, December 21, 1917, to Philadelphia, claim $527.55, value of car approximately $5,500 (De Pass, 1448) ; one car Ferndale, Washington, to Philadelphia, November 27, 1917, claim $2,900, value of car approxi¬ mately $5,500. (De Pass, 1451.) Both moved in a re¬ frigerator car, and value of car condensed milk will run about $6,000 per car. (De Pass, 1452.) Witness subsequently made an affidavit that the car of November 27, 1917, AA'as a box car. If canned milk set out on a porch in a temperature of 22, 24 or 26 degrees it might freeze. (De Pass, 1456.) Witness De Pass admits that carriers cannot antici- ])ate weather to be encountered, therefore to be on safe side carriers must be prepared to give maximum service. (I)e Pass, 1455.) Want privilege of asking for protection from cold, paying Avhat it is Avorth for service accorded (De Pass, 1446-1457-1464), and if carriers would not assume re¬ sponsibility for safety of shipment, would not want pro¬ tective service. Further, they prefer to ship under "shippers protectiA'e service." (De Pass, 1446.) 629 Kefrigerator cars were not built primarily for pur¬ pose of carrying condensed milk. Our company lias been in business since 1899 and the business was in its in¬ fancy at that time. (De Pass, 5564.) In making heater rates on condensed milk witness De Pass is willing the following factors should be consid¬ ered : Fuel—On car Ferndale, Wash., to Chicago, fuel cost |4.40 maximum for one stove. Kental on stove. Expense transporting stove—Same rate as on commodity which it accompanies. Expense of return stove. Labor. Heater depreciation. Interest. (De Pass, 1459-1463 inch, also 5568.) Car rental improper, also labor, overhead and switching improper. (De Pass, 5570-5571.) Shipments made when it was fifty degrees below zero. (De Pass, 1463.) Charcoal for car heaters must be specially prepared and cost largely in excess of $16.50 per ton. (Westlake, 1475.) Bananas. Witness W. A. Schumacher, who is largely engaged in the shipment of bananas, testified as follows; During the winter months the delicacy of the fruit requires the company to stand ready at all times to heat the cars, both before and after they have been loaded. At North At¬ lantic ports, where we are accustomed to having long cold winters, practically all cars are heated before and after loading by means of oil heaters, and to a large extent this is also necessary at gulf ports. Before the cars are loaded, they are prepared with heavy building paper, and during extreme cold weather they are double papered, both floor and walls and bulkheads. 630 Last winter the company nsed paper for lining cars to the value of $27,318.65. In addition to being papered, the cars are strewed over the floor and around the sides and ends as a further preservative, and the company ex¬ pended, last winter, on hay and straw for this purpose, $18,604.15. The company expended for fuel oil to heat the cars, $1,627.74, and it had invested last winter $8,652.50 in oil heaters, a.s per the inventory at the close of the year. In addition to these items, the company ex¬ pended for labor in handling the paper, straw, repairs to oil stoves, etc., more than $10,539.74 and purchased $5,473.95 worth of lumber for building stove bins, which are placed in the cars to provide a place for the stoves for heating after the cars have been loaded. It will be observed that the company spent over $53,024.49 for labor and material in preparing cars for shipment dur¬ ing the winter months, and in addition has a large in¬ vestment in oil heaters, no mention, however, being made of the investment in storage rooms for the stoves and oil, which in itself is considerable. The figures covering labor costs are incomplete as some of our divisions do not segregate this expense and no figures could be ob¬ tained from them. The company has found it necessary not only to ex¬ pend the sums mentioned in preparing cars hut also to maintain and operate several fruit warming houses at great expense. These are located at Mounds, 111., Du¬ buque, la., and Eouses Point, N. Y., with others in con¬ templation. When the cars pass these points, such of them as require heating are placed in the fruit house and warmed up. After the cars get beyond the fruit houses and need heat, the only thing that can be done is to place oil heaters in cars or get them under warm cover. All cars shipped by this company are, of necessity, placed in charge of messengers or caretakers who care 631 for the fruit, icing, ventilating or heating it as conditions require. These caretakers must be highly trained spe¬ cialists as to the conditions affecting a proper delivery are so numerous as to make it entirely impossible for shippers to give any general instructions that will en¬ able inexperienced persons to care for the fruit properly. Each car of bananas is an individual case and requires individual handling. Generally speaking, a banana mes¬ senger should have a year's experience, including all seasons, in order to become a full-fledged competent mes¬ senger. As stated above, all cars shipped are under the pro¬ tection of messengers and the total-expense for this serv¬ ice for one year, ending June 30, 1919, was $242,777.96. In addition to the figures I have quoted, there was also heavy expense for messenger service absorbed by our customers, as some of them furnish their own messenger service. In some cases this is done for the entire dis¬ tance the fruit travels and in other cases we bring it to a certain point and deliver it there to the consignee's own messengers, but we are unable to give any figure of their expense. Our messengers are employed for the sole purpose of caring for the fruit in their charge and to render the best possible service they can to deliver the fruit in good con¬ dition. As traveling messengers remain with their cars in the railroad yards or wherever they may be, it is im¬ possible to reach them for giving them necessary instruc¬ tions except by means of the carriers' telegraph wires, but in such cases the telegrams are addressed to the railroad companies who give the information to the mes¬ sengers, they being the most competent to carry out the instructions. Any messenger found to be incompetent, unreliable or furnishing false reports is dismissed and the company at all times solicits the co-operation of the 632 carriers in keeping its messenger service up to a high standing of efficiency and integrity. (Tr., 8499-8502.) deferring to expenditure of about |240,000 for a given period for messenger service. I could not approximate the number of cars involved. I don't know how much that is in the Northwest. "When I spoke of an invest¬ ment in heaters, I had reference entirely to the port of Boston, New York, Philadelphia, Baltimore, Mobile, New Orleans and Galveston, Avhen we are in service there. "We are not using it right now. (Tr., 8506-7.) At the ports, before the cars are loaded, the stoves are placed in a row down the center of the car. After the fruit is loaded, Ave build a stove bin that is the width of the door, and about two or three feet in depth. That is used as a place for the stoves, after the cars have been loaded. Now, that situation is not so pronounced at Ncav Orleans. In other words, the temperature is milder and we do not have to heat them after they are loaded. Now, when the cars move into the interior and stoves are needed, they are placed in the ice hunkers. (Tr., 8510.) When I refer to |5 for stoves, that was just a gen¬ eral figure I heard talked there in the East. I do not know whether we could get them to-day at that price. (Tr., 8513.) I am willing to admit that the cost of the Pacific Fruit Express stoves is more than ours, because we use a very cheap stove in the East. The stoves we use are similar to that used by the Pacific Fruit Express Co. (Tr., 8514.) On shipments out of New Orleans the caretakers do not generally go to destination of the cars. These messen¬ gers are handled in relays as witness finds that he gets better service tiiat Avay. On a car moving via St. Paul, the first messenger tin vols from Noav Orleans to Mounds 633 and another messenger travels from Mounds to Du¬ buque ; a third messenger from Dubuque to Minneapolis, and a fourth messenger for the car, if it goes beyond Minneapolis. (8504-8505) The Fruit Dispatch Co. does not give free messenger service to all territories on account of the long hauls and the expense. We give free messenger service to Kansas City, St. Paul, Chicago and Milwaukee, Cleve¬ land, Detroit, Southeastern territory, and that territory in between there generally speaking is all free messenger service. If the ear goes beyond these points and we fur¬ nish the messenger we make a pro rata charge for his time. But on the other hand there are some shippers who do not want us to furnish the messengers at all. They prefer to use their own service, particularly ship¬ pers in the Northwest. They accept the fruit right here on the wharf in New Orleans and run their own mes¬ sengers all the way through. Then we have other con¬ signees, particularly our Denver trade who send their messengers down to Ft. Worth. We carry the fruit to Ft. Worth using our own messenger, and deliver the fruit there to the Denver consignee's messenger. That is the way it is handled. According to the practice in the Pacific Northwest, in so far as shipments in the United States are concerned, messengers accompanying cars of bananas are provided by the purchaser of the fruit. When business moves into Canada via Calgary and such points, witness' concern supply those messengers all the way through. CONCLUSION AS TO SECTION FIVE. On carload business there is no dispute about the pro¬ priety of stated charges. There has been some difference in practice as between a stated charge per car and a ton¬ nage basis, but the reason Avhy the committee adopted 634 the stated charge per car basis is clearly, and we think convincingly, stated by Mr. Beidelman (1024-7) as set forth above. As has been stated, aside from the northern New Eng¬ land territory, there has never been a heater car service in Official Classification territory. It is needless to say such service is unknown in Southern Classification terri¬ tory. In Western Classification territory, heater car service came into being on January 1, 1914, scarcely six years ago. For this reason, it is obvious that the line-haul rates in Western Classification territory, which nobody suggests have been increased since 1914 to cover heater service, were never predicated upon the cost of such service. Much less can it be said that the present West¬ ern Classification rates which have remained practically unchanged since before heater service began except for the universal percentage increases, were never predi¬ cated on such service. Practically all the heater car service in the country is rendered in the Western Classification territory, and when we consider the widely different climatic conditions in that territory as between the Canadian border states wliere the lowest temperatures in the country are found in winter, and southern states, where there are seldom harmful temperatures, both of which are embraced in that classification, it is obvious that the classification ratings applicable to all of the southern part of the ter¬ ritory coidd not have been made on the basis of including expense of heater car service on a comparatively few roads in the northern part of the territory. It is evi¬ dent, tlierefore, that where heater car service has been fur¬ nished it was a question with the individual carriers, ap¬ plicable to a comparatively small area of the country, 635 during a comparatively short period of the year, and that such service was furnished, where no charge was made in addition to the haulage rate, for competitive or other practical reasons. In so far as carload business is concerned, this service began in January, 1914, under separate stated charges, in cents per hundred pounds of freight. In December of the same year the service was inaugurated from the North Pacific Coast on a stated charge per car basis. The service was new and experimental and in both in¬ stances there was marked uncertainty as to just what would be a compensating charge. The cost of the service rendered by the railroads was not segregated from the regular operating costs and they have not been in position to obtain accurate fig¬ ures. It was only one private car line that was able to determine to any degree of certainty just what this serv¬ ice cost. It is for this reason that the carriers have been able to submit in this case what may seem to be meagre tes¬ timony on the cost of heater service. The Pacific Fruit Express Company, however, has gone into the cost question thoroughly and in detail, and Briggs Exhibits Nos. 2 (1242), 15 (6085), and 19 8383) are all that could be desired in the way of details. The degree of progress accomplished by Mr. Briggs in working from his Exhibit No. 2 to his Exhibit No. 19 shows a commendable and earnest desire to develop, with what information is available, as near as possible, the actual cost of the service. These exhibits are fully described above, and need comment here only to point out sharply the facts shown in Briggs Exhibits Nos. 2 and 3, viz: 636 1. On 2,315 cars, the entire business for the year, 1917-18, the average revenue per car was $1411 The average loss and damage claims paid for the four seasons 1914-1915 to 1917-1918, in¬ clusive, per car amounted to $18.37 The average loss and damage claims paid for the season of 1917-1918, per car, amounted to $19.44 Nothing could show more vividly the hazard involved in this class of service. It is not the failure of the heat¬ ers, alone, that must be considered, but also the dan¬ ger of overheating or smoking the contents of the car. 2. Briggs Exhibit No. 2 shows that, from an oper¬ ating standpoint alone, and without consider¬ ing the question of hazard at all, there was an average deficit on the 1917-1918 business of, per car $1.29 Amazing as it may seem, it is nevertheless the nncon- troverted fact that, in spite of the use of the most mod¬ ern methods and equipment on the P. F. E. business, as shown by four years' record in Briggs Exhibit No. 2, an increase of 201 per cent would be absolutely essential to make the P. F. E. heater car service self-supporting, to say nothing of remunerative. (4105) Corroborative testimony concerning the high cost of rendering heater car service is found in the foregoing figures submitted by shijipers' witness W. A. Schu¬ macher. (8499 to 8505) The average increase in heater service rates contem- ])lated by this tariff was 25 per cent. It appears, how¬ ever, from Briggs Exhibit No. 14 (4095) that on load¬ ings of 45,000 pounds the proposed rates would in many cases effect actual reductions; that on loadings of 40,000 637 pounds the average increase is very small, ranging from 1-4/5 per cent up to, but in no case exceeding 25 per cent. If the cars are loaded with potatoes, to the estab¬ lished minimum (36,000 pounds) the proposed rates will effect an increase in a majority of cases below 16 per cent. Upon such a conclusive showing of fact, it seems to us that there can he no doubt that the measure of the pro¬ posed charge is amply justified. Since heater car service was inaugurated on the west¬ ern lines in 1914, there has been more or less controversy between the western and Official Classification lines which refused to furnish heater service or to participate in the settlement of loss and damage claims on heater pro¬ tected shipments originating in Western territory. The situation thus created is somewhat anomalous, and as one witness said, was like starting a man off from the Pacific Coast on a transcontinental trip in mid¬ winter and taking his overcoat away from him at Chi¬ cago. As has been stated, the heater service provisions of this tariff are not made applicable in the East because tlie Official Classification lines (with the exception of the Xew England lines) are not equipped to render the service. The unremunerative heater service rates that have existed and still exist, have offered no encourage¬ ment to the western carriers to make any substantial in¬ vestments to improve the service, or to the eastern car¬ riers to inaugurate the service. If the heater service as now rendered by the western lines is insufficient or inefficient, it is certain that an in¬ crease (where such increase is contemplated in the pro- jmsed tariff) in the rates will enable those carriers to make smdi improvements in the service as may be neces- 638 sary to remove the grounds of criticism of the shippers, as to the alleged defects in the present service, and, until heater service rates are established upon an adequately compensatory basis, there is no reason to expect the east¬ ern carriers to incur the expense of establishing the service or to assume the risks attendant upon its opera¬ tion, either within Official Classification territory, or, in conjunction with the western lines, for transcontinental movement of perishable freight during cold weather. SECTION 6—LESS CABLOADS. Although the heater car service on 1. c. 1. shipments of perishables is provided for in Section 6 of the tariff (Tables Nos. 118 to 126, pages 592 to 618, inclusive), this service is handled in the same way as heated car¬ load freight (2230) and therefore the subject is so closely analogous thereto as to render its discussion here more convenient than elsewhere. What has been said at the beginning of this subject with respect to the portions of the country to which Sec¬ tion 5 of the tariff is applicable, applies also to the 1. c. 1. heater car service provided for under Section 6 thereof. What we have said heretofore regarding the propriety of stated charges for carload heater service, applies with equal force to the propriety of 1. c. 1. heater service, and need not be repeated. While the tariff does not apply to New England terri¬ tory, this class of service is so novel as to afford few ex¬ amples from which authoritative cost figures can be ob¬ tained without directing our attention to the New Eng¬ land roads, where twenty years of the service has given them experience that will doubtless be valuable to the Commission in determining the reasonableness of the proposed 1. c. 1. charges. 639 Witness George E. Wicks testified (6127) that for ten years he was general freight agent of the Bangor & Aroostock Eailroad, and has been in railroad traffic business since 1882 (6128); that the Bangor and Aroos¬ tock Eailroad furnishes heater car service for 1. c. 1. shipments (principally fruit, canned goods and various freight apt to be damaged by frost), northbound from Boston," Portland and Bangor to Houlton, Presque Isle, Fort Fairfield, Caribou and Van Buren, Maine (6132), by means of the use of the heater cars of the Eastman Heater Car Company. The Eastman Company furnishes and maintains the cars and gives all necessary attention to the heating of the cars and the supervision of the service. A protective service charge in addition to the freight rate is made and the railroad assumes liability for freezing or overheating of the freight. (6199) Wick's Exhibit No. 1 is a statement of 1. c. 1. move¬ ments under heater service for the month of February, 1919, segregating the traffic into classes, and showing the charges for the heater service, the cost of the service and a comparison with the heater protective service charges shown in Section 6 of the proposed tariff. (6132) This exhibit covers 39 cars containing an aggregate of 341,000 pounds. For this heater service the railroad re¬ ceived $434.11 (in addition to the freight charges) and paid to the heater car company $363 for the car, heat and supervision, leaving to the .railroad $71.11, or an average of $1.82 per car for its hazard and profit. The heater charges proposed in this tariff on the shipments involved would yield approximately $100 less than the amount the carrier received under existing charges. (6133) To be more specific, among these 39 cars were 15 moving from Bangor, including one car¬ load, on which the direct service charge was $105 or $7 per car, payable to the heater car company. The ex- 640 isting protective tariff charge was $115.32, or a differ¬ ence on the 15 cars of $10.32. This gave the carrier 68.8 per car cents for profit and hazard. (6134) Un¬ der the proposed tariff the charges on these cars would have aggregated $91.62 or $23.70 less than the present rates. On the 12 Portland cars the direct service charge payable to the heater car company was $114, and the ex¬ isting tariff charge was $78.11, producing a deficit to the carrier of $35.89, or $2.99 per car. The proposed tariff rates on this traffic would have aggregated $79.68 or $1.57 more than the present charges. On the 12 Bos¬ ton cars the direct service charge paid to the heater' car company was $144, and the existing protective tariff charge was $240.68 (6135), leaving $104.68 (or $8.75 per car), to the carrier for profit and hazard. The proposed tariflf charges would have aggregated $165.10 or $75.58 less than the existing charges. The large margin on the Boston cars was due to their heavier loadings and to the higher rates from Boston. (6136) The present heater car rates on the Bangor & Aroostook E. E. were approved by the Commission in 1912 in the case of Boston Potato Receivers Assn. v. Bangor & Aroostock R. R. Co., 25 I. C. C. 159. (6161) The direct service charge which the carrier pays the heater car company does not necessarily represent the cost of furnishing the service. (6162) The heater car service under the present tariff is a straight percentage of the class rates applicable to the commodities shipped. The percentage is 20 per cent from Bangor and 25 per cent from Portland and Boston. This percentage method of charges has been in effect for 20 years. It com¬ menced with at 10 per cent and when it was found that they were doing hi;sincss at a loss, it was increased to 15 per cent and later to 20 per cent. Then they left Bangor at 20 per cent and the Boston and Maine, and the Maine' 641 Central Railroads, which are the originating roads south of Bangor increased their rates to 25 per cent. (6168) The percentage basis was thought to he proper because the higher the class of freight the higher are the claims for damage from frost. The effect was to apply higher charges to higher rated commodities and lower charges to lower rated commodities. (6169) As stated in the discussion under Section 5 of the' tariff, when the proposed tariff was originally prepared it was the intention of the committee to apply to the ter¬ ritory east of the Indiana and Illinois state line, as well as to the territory west. An exception, however, was proposed with respect to carload service in New England, the idea being" to let the situation, in that respect, in that territory remain as it is at present, but the inten¬ tion was to have the tariff apply to New England on 1. c. 1. business. This application has already been elim¬ inated from the tariff for reasons stated by witness P. B. Beidelman, and above referred to. Witness Beidelman stated that while there are some slight differences in the rules and charges in the New England territory as compared with those proposed in this tariff for the territory west of the Indiana-Illinois' state line where the service is now offered, there is not and still will not be any competition on this L c. 1. traf¬ fic, which is generally confined to short hauls ; that under all circumstances and considering the climatic conditions existing in the New England territory, it is felt best to continue for the present the rules and charges framed by the New England lines to suit their peculiar condi¬ tions in the territory and which, so far as is known, are satisfactory to the New England shippers. (Tr., XXXI, 6124-5.) Much of the testimony referred to in the discussion of G42 Section 5 of the tariff, relating to cost and character of equipment, hazards and conditions of the service, is equally applicable to this discussion and will therefore not be repeated. Considering the heater car service as a whole, there is no testimony in the record that Avould support a sug¬ gestion that the haulage rates ever included compensa¬ tion for 1. c. 1. heater service. Hence there is no opposi¬ tion to the propriety of stated heater charges. The only objection to the proposed tariff provisions respecting 1. c. 1. heater service was based on the theory that to charge for the service would constitute an in¬ crease in the cost of transporting the commodities in¬ volved. We think this objection is disposed of by the discussion elsewhere of the subject of separate stated charges for all special or accessorial services, and that we need here discuss merely the reasonableness of the proposed charges. On this point we are content to rely upon the show¬ ing made in the testimony cited in our discussion of Sec¬ tion 5 of the tariff. The New England heater car rates to which Mr. Wicks testified have had the approval of the Commission, as above cited. They are on the whole much higher than those now proposed. In the absence of testimony to' show dissimilar conditions requiring lower rates in West¬ ern Classification territory than in New England, we feel justified in urging upon the Commission the approval of the 1. c. 1. heater car rate proposed in Section 6 of this tariff as entirely just and reasonable. 643 SECTION SIX. DESCRIPTION. Section 6 of the tariff (found at page 535 thereof) proposes special rules and charges for refrigeration and for protective service against cold to apply as provided in Rule No. 600, on perishable freight in less than car¬ loads, subject to general rules and regulations in Section 1 of the tariff, except as otherwise provided in Section 6. This section does not apply for account of carriers within the Dominion of Canada, except as to traffic pass¬ ing through the Dominion of Canada having both point of origin and destination within the United States, Table 104 on page 539 of the tariff gives the stated charges for refrigeration and for protective service against cold (including artificial heat where available and necessary), in cents per hundred pounds of freight, from points of origin in the states specified, to any desti¬ nation under 400 miles on a mileage scale blocked in distances of 200 miles or less and of over 200 miles and under four hundred miles. Tables 105 to 117, inclusive, found on pages 540 to 592 of the tariff, state the proposed charges for refrigera¬ tion for distances of 400 miles or over, between groups of origin and destination groups therein shown. Tables 118 to 126, inclusive, found on pages 592 to 618 of the tariff, state the proposed charges for protective service against cold for distances of 400 miles and over, between groups of origin and destination groups therein shown, and are discussed herein in connection with Sec¬ tion Five. 644 KTJLE NO. 605. This rule relates to shippers' instructions having to do with less-than-carload shipments of perishables protected eitlier against cold or heat. AVitness Mb. L. F. Berry : The requirement to place an order for one car or an¬ other on every shipment, small or large, package, would mean that we would have to practically double our force of clerks who made out the bills of lading. AVe have on an average of about 5,000 bills of lading every week the year round. I would suggest a rule relieving the carriers of the necessity of furnishing protective refrigeration ex¬ cept when specifically requested in writing. (Tr., 9071- 9072.) If we were permitted to place on our bills of lading when we require protection that ought to be sufficient notice and the only notice required that that particular shipment should be loaded in a protected car. (Tr., 9072,) I can undertake to furnish the suggested rule cover¬ ing this requirement as to furnishing the protection to the refrigerator service. (Tr., 9077.) AATtness L. F. Berry later submitted the following sug¬ gested rule: "The shipper may specify on shipping order and bill of lading one of the following quotations : 'Eefrigerator car' when shipper desires protection from heat. (See Rules 610-615 and 620.) 'Heater car' when shipper desires protection from cold. (See Rule 610-615 and 620.) In case shipper neglects to specify on shipping or¬ der and bill of lading the character of service de¬ sired, it will bo understood that the shipper does not desire refrigeration or heating service and the shipment will be given 'common box car service.' 645 Exceptions: See Eules Nos. 615, 625 and 630." (Tr., 9495-6.) Witness W. E. Scott : There are so many of the grocery items included in this list of perishables, that it would be really an arduous task for the grocers having a big business to go down into tlieir bills of lading and mark every item that is named in this tariff. Large concerns like Mr. Berry's, use on an average of 5,000 bills of lading in a week, and would have perhaps five times that many items to examine. I think that would be a very conservative estimate, be¬ cause the average grocers' bills of lading include a large number of items. They have suggested that if it would be possible and practicable, it would be much better to indicate only those items which they think require pro¬ tective service, and not those which they estimate box car service for. This would be quite consistent with the theory of this tarifp, it would seem. The charge can only be made for this special service, and if it is a special serv¬ ice it ought not to be applied, except where it is called for the shipper. (Tr., 9099-9100.) Witness Kenneth Fowher: We object to this rule which forces the shipper of less-than-carload shipments to elect between scheduled refrigerator car service and box car service. Answer. In connection with Eules 605 and 615, the witness, Mr. C. E. Bell made the following statement : Eeferring now to Eules 605 and 615, in the interest of clarity, that it may appear that scheduled refrigerator services are referred to, we will amend Eule 605 by in¬ serting at the beginning of the rule the words : "When scheduled refrigerator service is available under the provisions of Eule 610." G-16 We will change paragraph A, Rule No. 615, to read: "Carriers are not obligated to accept for trans¬ portation in scheduled refrigerator cars any com¬ modity the odor or nature of which may contami¬ nate butter or other freight in the same car." AVe Avill add to paragraph B, Rule No. 615, the fol¬ lowing : "Unless the shipper specifies on shipping order and bill of lading the notation 'box car service, own¬ er's risk of damage by heat or cold,' as provided in Rule No. 605, except, however, as otherwise pro¬ vided by paragraphs C and D." In rule No. 615-D, we will substitute for the word "fish" the term "fish, fresh or frozen." Mr. AA/'estlake: Is that satisfactory to the people in¬ terested, Mr. Bell, so far as you have discussed it with them ? The AATtness: The change in Rule No. 615-D is not entirely satisfactory to the fish interests, but I feel that that is as far as we can go at this time. (Tr., 7336-7.) This rule is covered by Avitness McPike's Exhibits Nos. 56 and 58, to which reference is hereby made. RULE NO. 610. This rule defines "Scheduled Refrigerator Car Serv¬ ice" and sets out under Avhat circumstances less-carload perishable shipments moving under refrigeration will be subject to the refrigeration charges set forth in Section 6 of the tariff and ivlien such shipments, Avhen protected against cold, Avill be subject to the charges provided in Section 6, for this service. AATtness Pbeston McKinney: The rule under Section 6, 6l0, seems to give the car¬ rier the right at all times to put our commodity into refrigerator cars whenever he may desire. 610 reads: 647 "Where carriers provide and operate 'scheduled refrigerator car service' as protection against cold, including artificial heat where available and neces¬ sary, shipments of perishable freight will be sub¬ ject to the stated charges for such protective serv¬ ice against cold as shown in Table No. 104, page 539, or in Tables 118 to 126, inclusive, on pages 492 to 618, inclusive, from and to points which such service is operated." AVe infer that shipping less than carloads from here in a box car, when it reaches a section of the line where there was an open car refrigerator service we would, whether we willed or not, be required to pay for that re¬ frigerator service. Examiner AVagner : AVould that be true in view of Rule 605, Avhich provides that "the shipper must specify ou shipping order and bill of lading one of the following notations 'box car service,' owners' risk of damage by heat or cold." A. AVe cannot specify in both cases. At the point of origin we can specify. But apparently, as we see it, after they leave our hands the carrier has a right to switch them into refrigerator cars at his option and at our expense. Mr. AVestlake: As I understand Rules 605 to 630, that gives you the option to accept box car service provided you so desire? A. It does, at the point of origin; but the other rules, as we see them—Ave may be wrong—but we have only Inad a short time to study them— Mr. Westlake: You are Avrong on that, I think. That certainly was not the intention. A. That is a point I would like to make clear here if possible. We feel that probably in the past that more of tlie canned goods had gone in refrigerator cars than is 648 necessary. We are not prepared to state at all that it should be taken from the perishable list. We are not in that position at all. (Tr., 753-754.) Witness Preston McKinney: Mr. Gregson: Now, you have got 16,000 cars of canned goods. You are here protesting against certain rules in this tariff regarding the shipment of canned goods. I Avill now ask you this question : Is it necessary for the transportation of the commodity known as canned goods, in order that they be preserved, that they be shipped in a refrigerator car,—is it on account of protec¬ tion from the cold, or is it against heat at any time of the year? Mr. Westlake : Now, I think we will get what we want. A. I will simply ansAver that by saying that we are making no effort to adAmcate the removal of canned goods from the perishable list. We believe in many instances it is safe to ship in box cars. We feel that in this tariff or parts of it, we should be given the freedom to choose for ourselves whether or not Ave shall use box cars or refrigerators. Mr. Westlake: You Avill have that privilege. (Tr., 755-756.) Mr. Gregson : Take a customer at Cheyenne. You de¬ sire to ship in the month of February; and to reach Cheyenne you route the car Central Pacific and also the Union Pacific. The Aveather is extremely cold. Would you feel safe in filling that order and transporting the commodity in the ordinary equipment of the transporta¬ tion company? A. I don't think so. Q. Do you feel that the transportation company, for the safe carriage of that commodity, should furnish a car 649 that will protect you? A. They should if we call for it. (Tr., 757-758.) Witness W. H. Young: Referring now to Rule 610, Section A, it provides that the term scheduled refrigerator car sendee means in¬ sulated car service. Now, the term insulated car service, under item 15, as used in the tariff, means cars having insulation in the walls, ends, ceiling and floor. It has nothing to say in regard to the insulation in the doors. In our country where the cold becomes intense, at times as low as 20 to 25 degrees below zero, it is fre¬ quently necessary that the cars be insulated in the doors or else proper protection will not be given to commod¬ ities, and it is our suggestion that this term "scheduled refrigerator car service" be amended to read, "means fully insulated car service." Again with regard to Section D in the same rule, it is provided that the carriers are not obligated to perform any refrigerator car service upon the basis of less than the established minimum weights per car as provided in Ride 630, which provides for a 15,000 pound minimum. 1. c. 1. refrigerator schedule line cars have been operated in Nebraska and Iowa for a great many years, longer than" I have been able to ascertain, and we have found them necessary for the proper conduct of our business. We have many commodities in the State of Nebraska run¬ ning from 100 persons up to a thousand, and if it is in¬ sisted that no scheduled refrigerator car service may be furnished unless 15,000 pounds are contributed for that car, these communities cannot be served with fruits and vegetables during either the hot season of the year, or during the cold season of the year because the require¬ ments of the population are such that one community conld not nse 15,000 pounds of fruits and vegetables, and 650 all classes of perishable freight, in a month, to say noth¬ ing of a week. We feel that tlie carriers should be re¬ quired to furnish, Avhere climatic conditions render it necessary this particular service. (Tr., 4388 to 4390.) Witness John F. Waddelh: This is not proper unless an alternative is provided of Avhich the shipper may take advantage. (Tr., 9434.) The burden of the responsibility is unduly aggravated. (9434) Under this paragraph the carrier reserves the right to operate or not operate scheduled refrigerator line cars. The shipper either is to ship at his own risk and the carrier aaTU not undertake to protect and yet the carrier reserves the right to refuse the service. In other Avords, we believe that that rather aggravates the burden placed upon the shipper. (Tr., 9434-35.) Answer. Witness H. C. OuArEE; Rule 610 is built on the requirements of the present practice and offers just what the carriers are prepared at the present time to offer. In paragraph "B" of the rule the term "scheduled re¬ frigerator car seiwice" is qualified by the words "Under refrigeration." That plainly means an iced car. No offer is made in this rule to furnish a dry refrigerator car for the movement of perishable freight in lots of less than 15,000 pounds. In paragraph "D" of the rule the carriers do not obligate themselves to operate refrigerator car service on the basis of less than the established minimum weights per car, as provided in Rule No. 630, and that when scheduled refrigerator car service is not operated by the carriers less-than-carload shiiAments will be subject to box car service as provided in Rule No. 620. 651 Eule No. 680, in substance, provides that a refrigerator car will be furnished at a minimum weight of 15,000 pounds. It is not practical to offer both dry and iced re¬ frigerator cars in the same service for protection against heat, for perishable freight in lots of less than 15,000 pounds is subject to that minimum weight, (p. 3813.) This is all the year round service. Weather conditions are not sufficiently stable to establish different rules and rates for service according to the season. It would be to the interest of the carrier as well as the shipper to move this traffic without delay and deterioration. The pick-up service is regular, scheduled, dependable and well-advertised matter, the observance of which is essential to the shipper and is relied upon by him in making his sales and conducting his business. During the cold weather there may be, along the route of a pick-up car, one or several shippers ready to take a chance and send traffic forward in a dry car. These shippers want refrigerator car service regardless of the quantity moved to the consolidation point, and tliey want preferred move¬ ment beyond. The next man along the route Avill not chance the possibility of a sudden rise in the tempera¬ ture. He wants ice in the car. It is protection against the action of the weather upon perishable freight that the carriers offer. The load to the point of consolida¬ tion is invariably below normal. They cannot afford to employ more than one car in each run. It is never safe to run this pick-up car without ice, and that is not done. (Tr., 3814.) The carriers hold themselves out to furnish refriger¬ ator car service which includes necessary ice. If the choice were with the shipper and two separate charges were established, depending upon whether ice is or is not furnished, it would split the traffic so badly that the service would have to be withdrawn. If the imposition 652 of the full charge is left to the judgment of individual lines, as to the necessity of ice at the time of shipment, and the possibility of getting the freight delivered be¬ fore the warm day comes, there are the evils of close com¬ petition between the carriers, and a tariff constructed with this end in view would be susceptible to all kinds of manipulation. Any tariff according to the season, one that is based upon weather conditions according to the judgment of either shipper or carrier, is impracticable. The same sit¬ uation prevails at consolidation points, such as Chicago. There are not more than three destinations where the amount of traffic available would justify offering daily or regular both dry and iced car service. In these excep¬ tional cases there is usually a last car with a lighter load. If two classes of service were offered this would split the last car two ways and then, too, the optional service would discriminate against many shipping and destination points in favor of one origin point, or two or three destinations. (Tr., 3815.) At the present time the carriers offer only completely protective service which includes ice, and if for any rea¬ son a shipment is loaded in a dry car the charge does not apply under the tariff because the service cannot be of¬ fered to the shipping public. (Tr., 3816.) If a shipper wants a refrigerator car without ice and is willing to pay for the car there is no way in which a tariff can be worked out to give this service. There is not enough of that tonnage offered to pay any railroad for supplying both an iced car and a dry car. The iced car is the car most in demand. Therefore, that is the car which is offered to the public. If it was the other way around and the shippers demanded a dry car and Jiot an iced car, the dry car might be furnished. (Tr., 3850.) 653 Mr. E. F. McPike discussed this rule under his Exhibit No. 57. RULE NO. 615. This rule relates to the right of the carrier to refuse to accept freight and restricted articles in scheduled re¬ frigerator cars. Witness B. W. Edwards : Page 537, Eule 615-D : This is the rule which states that shipments of dressed veal, hearts, livers, kidneys, brains, sweetbreads, beef loins, pork loins, trimmings, and fish requiring extremely low temperatures will be accepted only at owners' risk of loss or damage by reason of insufficient refrigeration. The theory of that rule is that those commodities speci¬ fied, require a high degree of refrigeration, such as is not maintained in schedule refrigerator cars. Under that theory we ask that the word "fish" be changed to "frozen fish." The only fish which require a high degree of re¬ frigeration such as is required by the other articles men¬ tioned there is frozen fish. Our fresh fish, which would be included under the general term of "fish,"—the tem¬ perature can be made too low for them, and do not need a high degree of refrigeration such as these other articles need, and, therefore, under the theory of that rule we ask that "fish" be changed to "frozen fish." And if it read "frozen fish" we would have no further objection to the rule. Frozen fish are the only kind of fish that need salt refrigeration. (Tr., 4537-38.) Witness Kenneth Fowler: Our next objection is to Rule 615 and additional rules in that section. Eule 615-A applying to schedule refrig- ator car service and providing that carriers are not ob- 654 ligated to accept any commodity, the odor or nature of which may contaminate butter or other freight in the car. Eule 615-B ^^hich in effect provides that carriers are not required to accept perishable freight in less than carloads for points to Avhich or on days when no sched¬ uled refrigerator car service is aAmilahle. And Eule 615-D which provides that as an extremely cold tempera¬ ture is not maintained in scheduled refrigerator ears un¬ der ice intended for loading Avith less-than-carload ship¬ ments of miscellaneous commodities and as such cars are opened frequently in transit, shipments of dressed veal, hearts, livers, kidneys, brains, sweetbreads, beef loins, pork loins, trimmings and fish, requiring extremely low temperature, will be accepted only at owner's risk of loss or damage by insufficient refrigeration. We belieA'e under any reading or construction of those rules the fish industry will be placed first Avhere the small amount of scheduled refrigerator car service which we are getting in some sections of the country will be largely AvithdraAA'n; that no attempt will be made to build up any increased scheduled refrigerator car service, and that under those rules, particularly B and D of Eule 615, we AAÛll be actually forced to box car service, OAAm- er's risk of damage by heat or cold. We also take issue AAÛth the attempt in this tariff by Eule 615-D to classify and term fish as an extra perish¬ able product requiring extremely low temperatures in transportation as against the other flesh food perish¬ ables. On cross-examination of Mr. MePike I think last week I specially asked him Avhat kinds of fish or AA'liat com¬ mercial classifications of fish were coAmred by that broad language "fisli" in this Eule 615-D. , As I understood his ansAAors it was ai)parontly intended to cover all our 655 commercial classifications, fresh, frozen, preserved and smoked. Mr. Beidelman has called my attention to the fact that i\Ir. McPike in his testimony regarding the Eule 615-D on cross-examination last week did not state that it was the intention of the committee by the word ''fish" to cover all our commercial classifications but that appar¬ ently the rule as drafted would naturally comprehend all those commercial classifications. Our contention is that none of our fish products should be in any way desig¬ nated by that rule as extra perishable or in the same class with sweetbreads and the few of the very perish¬ able packing-house products. Our contention is that ob¬ viously from the practical workout of fish transportation and also from the scientific work done on fish transporta¬ tion by the Departure of Agriculture and other federal departments that fish, either fresh, frozen, pickled, smoked or in any other way preserved is no more per¬ ishable than any of the other fiesh food products of the country, including beef and poultry, and that it is abso¬ lutely not in accordance with the facts to so classify fish in the Eule 615-D. Our objection goes to the use of the word fish in any way in that paragraph and classify¬ ing either fresh or frozen fish or any of our preserved products as extra perishable and requiring extremely low temperatures in transportation. Q. (By Mr. Minard.) Is not your objection directed primarily to tlie last words "at owner's risk"! A. Our objection is in both directions and particularly in the di¬ rection I have just emphasized, that for all time in this tariff you in measured language for the benefit of all the local freight agents of the country desigmate fish as requiring extremely low temperature in the same way as sweetbreads, when as a matter of fact in practical operation and in the practical transportation of fish it 65ß does not require, that is, fresh and frozen, any more extremely low temperatures than beef products or poul¬ try, than fresh beef or frozen beef or frozen or fresh poultry. Our objection goes both ways, as I have stated, to the language and to that language qualifying the clause "will be accepted only at owner's risk." (Tr., 7395-7400.) Witness John F. Waddelh: What has been said as to paragraph D of Rule 610 ap¬ plies equally to paragraph B of Rule 615. As to paragraph C of Rule 615, witness referred to a letter sent to the McLaughlin Committee regarding the right of carriers to refuse perishable goods under tem¬ perature prohibitions. (Tr., 9435.) The question of this right so far as interstate traffic is concerned was involved in I. & S. 1156. At that time there was a publication in Western Trunk Line Com¬ mittee Circular 12 series, under which carriers reserved the right to refuse acceptance of perishable goods in less- than-carload quantities when the temperature was zero or lower. No decision was ever rendered by the Commis¬ sion in I. & S. 1156, due to the fact that the objection¬ able publication was withdrawn. We are willing to ac¬ cept this rule as it now stands provided that it is under¬ stood that where carriers are so equipped that they may safely handle perishables at lower than five degrees, or five degrees below zero, or lesser temperatures, they be pei'mitted to do so. In other words, as long as the rule is mandatory in requiring the carrier to accept down to five degrees, and permissive with respect to lower temperatures, we have no objection. (Tr., 9435-36-37.) The rule in its wording is proper. I would like to emphasize only that question, or that phase of it, that 657 it is mandatory to a certain indicated degree of tem¬ perature and permissive below that degree. The word "zero" shouVl hp inserted after the word "below." (Tr., 9437.) Witness E. F. McPike : (7) Mr. Burchmore seemed to think .that the rule was too broad in giving carriers the right to refuse so-called semi-perishable freight, such as canned goods, bluing, ink, and mineral waters, which he considered is in a sense ordinary freight, but witness McPike denied that it is ordinary freight. Mr. Burchmore objected also against paragraph (B) of Eule No. 615 as permitting carriers to refuse freight for stations on branch lines Avhere no cen¬ tral refrigerator car service at all is operated. Wit¬ ness said that carriers would probably not refuse such freight during any spell of mild weather and would have no motive in so refusing when there would be every rea¬ sonable chance of goods reaching destination without damage. (Tr., 2429.) Witness thought that western and eastern lines already have in effect tariff rules similar to paragraph (B) of proposed Eule No. 615. (Tr., 2429-2434.) Witness pointed out that under Eule No. 605, about shipper's instructions, the shipper was given the privilege of calling for com¬ mon car service at owner's risk. Witness A. E. Helm: Witness objected to paragraph B, which reads "car¬ riers reserve the right to refuse to accept perishable freight in 'less than carloads' for points to which, or on days when no 'scheduled refrigerator car service' is avail¬ able," asking that it be amended by adding the follow¬ ing, "except in cases where box car service is accepted by the shipper," his reasons being if the shipper is will- 658 ing to ship in box car service, carriers should receive his freight. (Tr., 2013-14.) Ansiver. The witness E. F. McPike has discussed this rule at length in his Exhibit No. 58 and refers to the fact that for the most part, the several provisions of the tariff are published in the current tariffs of carriers in certain sections of the country. Specific reference is given to some of those tariffs. In addition to the above, the carriers now direct at¬ tention to their answer to Rule No. 605, regarding certain modifications jjroposed by witness Bell and repeated in the letter addressed to the examiner in behalf of carriers under date of October 23,1919, in Appendix A. RULE NO, 620. This rule relates to "box car service" when "sched¬ uled refrigerator car service" is not available over all or a portion of the route. Freeman Bradfoed : The next objection will be on Rule 620, Section 1, read¬ ing: "Ordinary box car service or its equivalent will be given at owner's risk between points from and to which there is no ' Scheduled Refrigerator Car Serv¬ ice' available over any portion of the route. lu such cases bills of lading and -waybills should carry the following notation." My objection to that rule is that a shipment moving on two lines, the consignee is not in a position to know as to the refrigerator car service on the connecting lines and in the majority of causes the originating line is not in a position to notify him. (Tr., 6971.) 659 Witness John F. AVaddell: This rule reserves to the carrier the right to refuse or accept shipments dependent on the operation of sched- ide refrigerator line cars. Under paragraph 2 it is pro¬ vided that certain forms of notation may be made where a schedule line service is provided only to cover part of the route. It is oiir contention that with respect to a shipment offered for transportation to a carrier, for transportation over a route over which schedule line car service is oper¬ ated only for a portion of the distance, the carrier cannot reserve its liability by the statement contained in para¬ graph 3 of that rule which says that the absence of any such notation from a bill of lading must not be consid¬ ered as any waiver of the condition of the rule under which it accepts liability only for such portion of the route traversed as is covered by schedule line service. In other words, it must make its reservation at the time, and a failure to do so cannot otherwise operate to relieve it of the liability. (Tr., 9438-39.) Answer. For a comprehensive discussion of this rule, see AVit- ness McPike's Exhibit No. 59. As an illustration of current tariff^ rules relating to such cases, the following extract is given from Agent E. Atorris' I. C. C. No. 736, page 156, item No. 1770 : "Bills of ladings and Avaybills must bear imprint of stamp or written notation reading: 'no refrig¬ eration service; loaded in box cars entirely at own¬ er's risk,' in case of shipments for which no refrig¬ eration service is obtainable in accordance with the foregoing." Rules similar to the one last cited above are contained in many tariffs; see for example Agent E. B. Boyd's 6G0 I. C. C. No. A-1020, page 22, item No. 550, which pro¬ vides for box car service at owner's risk in connection Avith less than carload shipments of perishable freight aa'hen scheduled refrigerator car service is not available. The carriers consider that such tariff rules were clearly upheld as reasonable by the Interstate Commerce Com¬ mission in the case of M. Longo & Co., Docket 7454 (38 I. C. C., 487-489), Avherein the Commission declared in substance that carriers are not obligated to furnish or operate refrigerator cars for less than carload shipments of perishable freight when the aggregate weight offer¬ ing for transportation is insufficient. In many such cases, the total freight charges per car would be less than the cost of the special service. It follows logically that the carriers are not liable for damage arising from the consequent use of box cars for such traffic provided al¬ ways that negligence by carriers is not the proximate cause of such damage. kxjle no. 625. This rule deffnes the term "meat peddler cars," and provides that aa'hen, under carriers' tariffs applicable, such cars are operated, shipments handled therein will be subject to the charges for ice and/or salt used in the serAuces of icing or re-icing, published in Section 4. "Witness T. D. Guthrie: By inserting the word "etc.," in this rule it makes it indefinite. We should know the commodities that are going into these meat peddler cars, or, in other words, the packing-house products coming under the term "etc." Witness II. T. Strubel, appearing for the Oklahoma Wholesale Oxocers' Association, testified as to the al- 661 leged discriminations created by Eules 625 and 630 of the proposed tariff. Ansiver. Witness C. E. Bell: After the Denver bearing, beginning at page 2018 of the record, Mr. H. T. Strubel, appearing for the Okla¬ homa Wholesale Grocers' Association, testified as to the alleged discrindnation created by Eules 625 and 630 of the proposed tariff, due to the fact that under Eule 625 it is proposed to continue existing arrangements for the handling of so-called peddler cars, covered by pub¬ lications of individual lines, whereas under Eule 630 it is proposed to require a minimum of 15,000 pounds for the loading of refrigerator cars and any deficit necessary to make up this minimum will be charged for at the highest rated article in the car. (Tr., 9401.) Mr. Strubel's testimony dealt altogether with alleged discrimination and not with the reasonableness of Eule 630. The question of rates on shipments in peddler cars versus shipments in other cars between all points in the United States is now before the Commission in I. C. C. Docket 10745, National Wholesale Grocers' Association; also Docket 10745, Sub-1, Southern Wholesale Grocers' Association. In the last mentioned complaint, the Hale- Halsell Grocery Company, by whom Mr. Strubel is em¬ ployed, as well as other Oklahoma wholesale grocers, are specifically named as complainants. In view of the fact that this whole question of dis¬ crimination of rates will be covered by the Commission in a separate proceeding, in Docket 10745, I do not con¬ sider it proper to present any testimony as to alleged discrimination in the instant proceeding. As I have said, Mr. Strubel did not complain of the reasonableness of the proposed rules. In this connection. G62 Mr. Clifford Thome had some testimony introduced on the same subject, and our position is the same with re¬ spect to that testimony. (Tr., 9402.) RULE NO. 630. This rule relates to shipments of individual cars for one consignee at one destination and has been materially modified in accordance with the statement heretofore made in this brief. (See Appendix A.) Shippers' Vietvs. Witness R. O'Haea: Why is hutterine or oleomargarine made an exception to the 15,000 pound rule. (Tr., 6637.) If this rule is to be approved, we know of no justifica¬ tion for charging a deficit in the weight at the highest and suggest that this be charged for at the lowest ^j-ated article in the car. It is our contention, in connection with the general application of Section 6 that the less carload freight rates applied throughout the entire coun¬ try have included refrigerator service for a great many years and do now include refrigerator service, and that until it is proven to the satisfaction of the Commission that the freight rates do not include the service which has been accorded for a great many years past, this sec¬ tion should be disapproved by the Commission, so far as the assessment of refrigerator charges in connection with less carload rates go. Stated charges applied from Reno, but not from Salt Lake (where onr competitor is located), to California points, nor to eastern points. Discrimination against South San Francisco, Reno and North Portland. (Tr., 6637-8.) 663 Witness John F. AVaddell: Knie 630, paragraph B: AVe object to the statement that the dehcit in weight in connection with the opera¬ tion of special refrigerator cars shall be based upon the highest rated article. In our opinion the proper basis would be to charge the deficit at the lowest rated article. In AA^estern Classification territory in general it might be stated that that is a standard rule, and further, it is logical; it does not necessarily burden the traffic; and it yields the carrier practically the maximum revenue which it would receive if the deficit were a matter of but a few pounds. (Tr., 9439.) AA'itness AV. E. Scott: AA^. R. Scott's Exhibit No. 10 was here received in evi¬ dence. (Tr., 9100.) The AVitness: AA^e now come to another item in Sec¬ tion 6 which has been protested by our people. This is Kule 630, which contains the provision upon which an in¬ dividual car will be furnished, as it is said, for one con¬ signee at one destination. The tariffs of the carriers quite generally carry provisions that where shippers cannot or do not avail themselves of the regular sched¬ ule service, a special car will be furnished by the car¬ riers subject to a specified minimum. Now, this rule seems to propose a general regulation for application over the conntry and probably is intended to supersede those in the individual tariffs. The rule, if adopted, would have the effect of increasing the freight charges in a great many cases. It is provided now in this proposed tariff, that the carriers will furnish or will allow the shippers to use refrigerator or insulated cars, to be han¬ dled for one consignee at one destination, when the aggregate weight is not less than 15,000 pounds per car; or wlien freight charges are assessed on the basis of the 664 freight rate applicable to the highest rated article in the car. Now, this Exhibit No. 10 is a statement showing a comparison of this proposed rule with various other rules now in effect in various parts of the country, and you will perceive from an examination of this exhibit that the proposed rule would have the effect of increas¬ ing the freight charges applicable to such a car. In Western Trunk Line territory, in E. B. Boyd's Cir¬ cular 12-G, there is a rule in effect at the present time which permits such a car to he furnished at a minimum of 15,000 pounds, hut providing that the deficit will bo charged for on the basis of the fourth-class rate; the lowest class rate, from the loading point to the first un¬ loading station, on the car. That rule permits the ship¬ ments for more than one destination and more than one consignee to be put in the car. The proposed rule, how¬ ever, limits the shipments to one consignee and one des¬ tination, making it more difficult to use in that respect, besides increasing the freight charges. Now, observe in Section A of that rule, that it is pro¬ vided that it will not apply to meat peddler cars, for which see Rule 625. No change apparently is provided for the handling of those cars. Now, the same Western Trunk Line territory to which I referred, in that there is provided in the same tariff a rule governing these cars, providing for a minimum of only 10,000 pounds. In those cars there might be shipped miscellaneous freight for a large number of consignees, at various destinations along the way, and in that case also it is provided that the deficit in weight shall be charged for at the first-class rate to the first station for which the car contains a shipment. Observe there those distinctions : The difference in the minimum weight; the 665 difference as to consignees, and the difference in the manner of making np the deficit in the minimum weight. The matter of the competition of meat peddler cars containing canned goods and other miscellaneous items, is now before the Commission in another case, but we want to call the attention of the Commission on this record to this difference. Without any change in the peddler system, by which grocery items can be handled in those cars, it is yet provided an increase in the gen¬ eral rule available to the general public, who neither have cars nor meat to ship. (Tr., 9100 to 9103.) The Witness (continuing) : That would absolutely re¬ sult in unjust discrimination. The two interests are competing with each other in the sale of the same class of goods, between the same points of origin and at the same destination and the conditions are exactly the same except in this matter of the transportation item. (Tr., 9103.) Now, another thing in connection with that same propo¬ sition is that these proposed charges for refrigeration and protective service, as applicable to 1. c. 1. freight generally, are not proposed to be applied to the ship¬ ments' in the peddler cars, still further increasing the difficulties under which the general public operate in competition with that system. (Tr., 9103.) Another item which I should have alluded to before is paragraph C of Rule 630, which provides that the ship¬ per shall furnish ice, or pay for the service of icing and re-icing these cars on the basis of 15,000 pounds mini¬ mum. That is something that is not required generally under the present rules and particularly in the Western Trunk Line territory. That would be a very hard rule to comply with. Our people find it practically impos¬ sible to use the present rule. It is hard enough to use 666 it, but under the rule such as is proposed here, it would he out of the question for us to use it. There is no line of business that will he harder hit by these proposed charges for 1. c. 1. shipments than the grocery trade, and Ave think it is AAdiolly unjustifiable that the rates for a great many years—ever since there haA'e been refrigerator serAÛce, have been made in con¬ templation of furnishing that service for particular items, and the classifications surely have been adjusted correctly by this time. (Tr., 9104.) The principal reason why it affects them more seriously is because their principal competitors won't have to pay it, but it is hardly secondary that the items in the so- called perishable list are largely grocery items with the exception of the fruit and vegetable business. There are more grocery items than any other line. (Tr., 9104-9105.) Mr. O'Hara: Just a minute, Mr. Thorne. Mr. Scott has testified that Ave ought to pay the same amount for the refrigeration service in a peddler car as the whole¬ sale grocer pays for refrigeration service between any given origin and destination point. Now, if a $5 bunker damage charge is included in the 1. c. 1. scale a\diich the wholesale grocer pays, and the payment for the use of private cars in which the peddler car traffic moves is inadequate, as you knoAv, to take care of even that fS bunker damage charge, do you think we should be re¬ quired to pay for that charge and assume the expense of repairing the bunkers in addition there? A. I think you should start with the premise that both charges ought to be the same, or substantially the same. Noav, your question is one of the degree of weight to be given to one particular item, and tbat is a pretty hard thing to do, considering that one item. (Tr., 9120.) The Witness (continuing) : It should not be paid twice 667 by anybody. Even if the packer would agree to pay the 1. c. 1. scale on their peddler car traffic, I do not know without figuring it up whether or not that would satisfy the complaint of the grocers. (Tr., 9120-9121.) (By Mr. O'Hara): That is the suggestion of the Commission, and the examiner will, no doubt, recall that in my testimony at New York, Swift & Co. agreed to do that. It would reduce our peddler car charge for 100 pounds for refrigeration, materially, if the 1. c. 1. scale, as proposed, were adopted for our traffic. Mr. Westlake: You will agree to that reduction, will you, Mr. O'Hara! Mr. O'Hara: Yes, sir, we are acquiescing in that re¬ duction here as well as in the New York hearing. (Tr., 9121.) Answer. AVitness C. E. Bell: Eeferring to Rule 630, page 538, Section 6, of the taritf, which provides that upon reasonable notice carriers will furnish or Avill allow shippers to use, or will participate with connecting carriers in handling refrigerator cars for a minimum of not less than 15,000 pounds per car; and which rule, in so far as Official Classification territory and Southern Classification territory is concerned is re¬ stricted to the so-called dairy products, the situation has developed that in the producing section of Eastern Trunk Line territory it is now customary to furnish refrigerator cars for lots of 10,000 pounds or more. In this eastern territory the preponderance of the empty refrigerator car movement is westbound. There is a large movement of fruits and vegetables westbound, and, to a lesser extent, within the territory. So, on behalf of the Administration I have said to the fruit and 668 yegetaLle interests that we would amend this rule so as to permit the loading of not less than 15,000 pounds of fruits and vegetables in refrigerator ears for movement under ventilation, the points of origin being in the East¬ ern Trunk Line territory, including the western termini of the Eastern Trunk Lines, which will, of course, take in Buffalo and Pittsburgh. If a $5 charge for the use of a refrigerator car is allowed in accordance with Eule 40, we make the |5 charge for the use of the car with the 15,000 pound minimum. We have said, furthermore, that should it he neces¬ sary to move these shipments under ice, we would apply the stated charges shown in Section 2 of the taritf ap¬ plicable to carloads. The fruit and vegetable interests with whom I have dis¬ cussed this matter have said to me that that would be entirely satisfactory. I do not say it will he satisfactory to everybody, hut those that took it up with me are satisfied. (Tr., 7355-6.) This rule is covered by E. F. McPike's Exhibit No. 61. (See also letter in behalf of carriers, addressed to the Examiner, under date of October 23, 1919, in Appendix A). HOW SECTION SIX WAS CONSTRUCTED. Witness E. P. McPike, manager perishable freight, I. C. Eailroad, who was a member of the committee which compiled the proposed tariff, testified that the stated cliarges in Section Six of the tariff are not on a mileage basis, hut on the basis of the different territorial groupä in the tariff. This arrangement permitted considera¬ tion being given to the divisions in cost of icing north point shipments, for example, as compared with south point shipments between different territories. (2451-52.) 669 Beginning at page 8960 of the record, witness McPike made a statement as to how the 1. c. 1. refrigeration charges of Section Six of the proposed tariff were ar¬ rived at: "The refrigeration committee compiling the tariff had general knowledge and actual figures as to the cost of furnishing refrigeration service for carload shipments, and were aware that the expense of refrigeration of cars containing less than carload shipments was practically as much as for carload traffic during a large part of the year. The committee also knew that the Interstate Commerce Commission had recognized the reasonableness of an 1. c. 1. refrigeration charge of at least 30 cents per 100 pounds of freight from points in eastern Louisiana to Chicago, involving an average haul of about 876 miles, in which case interested carriers presented testimony, showing that the charge of 30 cents per 100 pounds for refrigeration was less than gross cost of furnishing that special service. (31 I. C. C., 637-640.) Furthermore the committee had the benefit of an in¬ vestigation made covering the icing and re-icing of less than carload shipments from Chicago to various points in the south and southeast during the season of 1913- 1914, indicating the total quantities of ice used in such cars from Chicago to ultimate destination. (See Wit¬ ness McPike's Exhibit No. 84.) With the foregoing facts in mind, and with the gen¬ eral knowledge and experience of the committee, numer¬ ous test figures were made by the committee, taking into consideration the varying prices of ice in different sec¬ tions of the country, and the fact that a maximum refrig¬ eration or full bunker icing was not always furnished 670 or absolutely necessary at all seasons oí the year and on all classes of freight. There were no regular working sheets made hy the committee nor were the numerous test figures preserved, but the committee found, by matching up its figures, that it was possible to arrive at a charge per 100 pounds of freight for 1. c. 1. refrigeration service w^hich would fairly represent a reasonable charge to establish by di¬ viding the lowest carload refrigeration charge in Sec¬ tion 2 of tariff between the same points by 30,000 pounds. This plan maintained the proper relative adjustment with due regard to the Fourth Section of the law, and took into consideration the different conditions and ice prices existing in various parts of the country because these conditions had been given consideration in formu¬ lating the tables of stated refrigeration charges in Sec¬ tion No. 2 of tariff. The final result of the method of computation used, as explained above, was to secure a charge which would yield an aggregate refrigeration revenue per car of 1. c. 1. perishables, amounting in practically all cases to con¬ siderably less than the full carload refrigeration reve¬ nue, because the average aggregate weight per car of 1. c. 1. perishable freight throughout the country as a whole is about 15,000 pounds or less. Although as above stated, the expense of refrigerating cars containing loss than carload shipments is practically as much for carload traffic during a considerable portion of the year (31 I. C. C., 637) ; it is now sub¬ mitted, in behalf of the carriers, that their numerous exhibits covering less than carload refrigera¬ tion charges in Section No. 6 of the tariff have fully demonstrated the reasonableness of the proposed fig¬ ures, and therefore, the correctness of the method em- 671 ployed by the refrigeration committee in making the check of snch charges, which in many instances will, the carriers regret to say, be less than the actual cost of the refrigeration service. The individual exhibits pre¬ sented by carriers will speak for themselves in this re¬ gard. The refrigeration committee, in figuring the less than carload charges, took into consideration the general com¬ mercial conditions and endeavored to proceed in such a Avay as not to result in a radical revolution in the han¬ dling of that business. We did not want to disturb com¬ mercial conditions unduly by seeming to adopt any ex¬ cessive figure, although higher charges would have been justified. The foregoing explanation relates chiefly to tables Nos. 105 to 117, on pages 540 to 591, both inclusive, in the proposed tariff. As to the minimum charges provided in Table 104, on page 539, for refrigeration, when the distance that ship¬ ment is hauled is less than 400 miles the refrigeration committee inserted this Table 104 as a special conces¬ sion to the shippers on short-haul traffic, but it is evident that such minimum charges Avill, in almost all cases, lie less than the cost of the special service. If the committee had divided by the actual loading, in¬ stead of a 20-cent rate between Chicago and New York, tliey would have gotten a rate of at least 30 cents per 100 pounds of 1. c. 1. freight, and on a carload basis it would have been still higher, and on the 200 to 400-mile haul, set forth in Table 104 of the tariff, the charges are really less, according to the nominal rate of progression, than the charges for distances of over 400 miles. That was a special concession in thé actual grading of those charges, one-half cent here and there may be found that 672 lias been necessary to grade the charges; sometimes it is less, sometimes it is more. (8960-8966) Witness CHAEnEs E. Bele, of the traffie section of the United States Railroad Administration, and who repre¬ sents the Administration as the proponents of the pro¬ posed tariff stated that as to the date to which the 1. c. 1. icing figures in Section 6 were agreed upon the com¬ mittee submitted certain figures in February and they were discussed in the Washington conference in that month. They were gone over again and reviewed arid considerable reductions were made in the figures then proposed. The tariff was finally formulated in this re¬ spect some time after the February conference,'probably some time in April. (9415) PROPRIETY OF SECTION SIX. The character and cost of 1. c. 1. refrigerator service as now rendered throughout the country is shown by the following testimony: Southern Territory. In Southern Classification territory, the situation is governed by Rule 31 of the Southern Classification No. 43 (I. C. C. No. 22) reading: "Less than carload or any quantity ratings, ap¬ plying on freight requiring protection against heat or cold, do not obligate the carrier to provide specially equipped cars; nor to furnish heat or re¬ frigeration, unless the carriers' tariffs so provide." No exceptions to this Rule have been filed, and the southern carriers have filed no tariffs contrary thereto, except on certain inbound shipments received from con¬ necting carriers at the Ohio, Potomac and Mississippi Rivers. 673 The southern carriers, on shipments originating in Southern Classification territory moving locally within their territory, or outbound therefrom to other terri¬ tories, do not and never have absorbed the expense of initial icing or re-icing of less than carload shipments of dairy products or other perishable freight but on the contrary, the initial icing has always been performed by or at the expense of the shippers, and extra charges above the freight rate for re-icings, if necessary, per¬ formed in transit by southern carriers. The Interstate Commerce Commission itself recognized that the freight ratings in Southern Classification territory were never predicated upon the inclusion of any expense of icing or re-icing. {Hill Produce Co. v. N. C. & St. L., 44 I. C. C., 582.) It is true that, as stated, on southbound ship¬ ments of dairy freight transported on the basis of less- than-carload or any-quantity freight rates moving into territory south of the Ohio and Potomac Rivers and east of the Mississippi River, the carriers in the latter terri¬ tory have been absorbing the expense of re-icing such cars on their own rails and their published authority for such absorptions is in their own individual or local tariffs, but this practice has grown up from competition along border territory which eventually spread, or it was caused by a desire to foster or stimulate the traffic and to effect a wider distribution of such perishable com¬ modities. Conditions, however, have materially changed since this service and practice was first inaugurated. The traffic in question has developed into a regular move¬ ment of large volume. In 7. é S. Dachet No. 369 (31 I. C. C., 637-640), the Commission upheld the reasonableness of some stated refrigeration charges per 100 pounds of freight on fruits and vegetables originating at stations on the Illinois Cen- 674 tral Eailroad and on the Yazoo and Mississippi Valley Railroad in Louisiana, etc., including a refrigeration charge of 30 cents per 100 pounds of such freight from Kenner, La., to Chicago, an approximate distance of 901 miles. (See Illinois Central Tariff 1. C. C. 5008, Rule w.) The carriers operating from points in eastern Tennes¬ see to Baltimore, Philadelphia, New York City and Bos¬ ton, for example, have recently published, under Mr. Ed- Avard Chambers' Freight Rate Authority No. 8788, dated June 3, 1919, a scale of stated refrigeration charges on eggs, butter, cheese and dressed poultry, on the follow¬ ing basis : To Baltimore, 36| cents ; Philadelphia, 36| cents; New York City, 36| cents, and Boston, Mass., 40 cents per 100 pounds of freight, this being done in con¬ nection with the inauguration of refrigeration service to accommodate such traffic. McPike's Exhibit No. 79 is a statement of carloadings from Chicago to points south of the Ohio River, averag¬ ing per car: 1916 11102 lbs. 1917 13845 lbs. 1918 16912 lbs. ( ) McPike's Exhibit No. 80 is a statement of proposed stated charges for 1. c. 1. shipments under scheduled re¬ frigerator car service (including icing and re-icing, when required) as provided in Proposed Perishable Protec¬ tive Tariff No. 1 from Chicago to various points there¬ in named for distances given. (2108-2109) McPike's Exhibit No. 81 is a statement of represen¬ tative cars (40 in number) operating during 1918 under refrigeration scliodule from Chicago to Cairo, 111., 365 675 miles, based on 1919 ice costs. The average ice consump¬ tion per car Avas 6,500 lbs. and cost $18.20 Bunker damage 5.00 Ice haulage 2.06 (Av. weight 4,875 lbs.) Supervision 4-00 Total cost per car $29.26 Av. total cost per 100 lbs. ($29.26-f-15000) .20 Proposed tariff rate Chicago-Cairo .12 Déficit (100 lbs.) .08 Without bunker damage, ice haulage, switching or supervision (2109-2110), and by simply dividing your ice cost of $18.20 by 15,000 lbs. you would get 12 cents per hundred pounds, which is the proposed rate. McPike's Exhibit No. 82 is a statement of representa¬ tive cars (38) operating during 1918, under refrigerator schedule from Chicago to Birmingham, Ala., 686 miles, based on 1919 ice costs. Average cost of ice per car $29.41 Average cost of ice per 100 lbs. freight $29.41^15000 lbs. .20 Proposed refrigeration rate .20 (2110) These figures include nothing for bunker repairs, ice haulage, or supervision. Witness said that Avinter of 1918-1919 was of course abnormal, and both natural and artificial ice costs Avere above normal in 1919. There might be some slight re¬ duction in costs of ice, ignoring other factors of expense such as labor. (2385-2386) The Birmingham cars do not serve intermediate points but break bulk at Birmingham. They do not cost more to refrigerate than carloads. (2387) McPike's Exhibit No. 83 is a statement of representa¬ tive cars (34) operating during 1918 under refrigeration 676 schedule from Chicago to New Orleans, La., 931 miles. based on 1919 ice costs. Average cost of ice per car $39.74 Average cost of ice per 100 lbs. freight $39.74^15000 lbs. .26 Proposed tariff charge per 100 lbs. freight .215 Deficit .045, without anything for bunker damage, ice haulage, switch¬ ing or supervision. (2112) McPike's Exhibit No. 84 is a recapitulation of tonnage and icing records on representative cars (255) moved nnder various Illinois Central refrigerator schedules in December, 1913, January, February, June, July and Au¬ gust, 1914, based on 1919 tariff rates per ton of ice. Average weight of perishables per car 11,114 lbs. Average amount of ice used per car 9,857 lbs. Average cost of ice per car $21.23 Average cost of ice per 100 lbs. of freight .19 Average cost of ice per 100 lbs. of freight on estimated average of 15,000 lbs. freight .14 Proposed.tariff charge per 100 lbs. freight .20 (This allows a margin of 6 cents without anything for bunker damage, switching, ice haulage or supervision.) (2112) Western Territory. The ratings in Western Classification were based upon common car service and were never predicated upon the inclusion or absorption of any expense of icing or re- icing, although generally speaking the current tariffs or exception sheets issued by western roads had author¬ ized such absorption on basis of 1. c. 1. or any-quantity freight rates. This practice in the West grew out of competitive con¬ ditions—or was based upon a desire to stimulate traffic 677 to promoto the wider distribution of the commodities involved. The freight rates, however, are based upon common car service and the absorptions above mentioned liave up to the present time been solely in the nature of gratuities and intended for the purposes mentioned. (McPike's Exhibit No. 54 at page 67 of the pamphlet copy of McPike's Exhibits Nos. 1 to 66, inclusive, and page 81 of the record.) An instance of where the western carrier absorbed the refrigeration charges on 1. c. 1. shipments is found in Refrigerator Charges on the Kansas Citg Southern, I. & S. Docket 210, 26 I. C. C., 618. That proceeding in¬ volved the reasonableness of the proposed rates on straw¬ berries moving under refrigeration from the stations Joplin, Missouri, to Shady Point, Oklahoma, inclusive, on the Kansas City Southern Eailway, to Topeka, Kansas. The rate involved was an advance resulting from the can¬ cellation of Supplement No. 4 to Kansas City Southern Tariff, I. C. C. No. 3124, of the following rule in trans- Missouri Circular 1-B : "When shippers cannot avail themselves of the regularly scheduled refrigerator car service, refrig¬ erator cars may be furnished, provided 10,000 pounds or more is loaded therein at the 1. c. 1. rates. Under such circumstances no charge will be made for ini¬ tial icing or re-icing. (This rule will not apply on peddler cars.)" In that case the Commission found that the proposed increase was not unreasonable and should be permitted to go into effect on the ground that "strawberries, per¬ haps more than other perishable commodities, require the highest standard of both freight and refrigeration service, and frequently subject the carriers to substan¬ tial claims for damage when that service is not rendered according to schedule. '' (Page 620 of the decision.) 678- While it has been referred to elsewhere in the brief, it is nevertheless important and significant in this con¬ nection to note the following portion of the Commission's decision as it appears on page 619 thereof : "It will be observed that the present charge for refrigeration under the rule involved is a part of the first-class rating; that is, it is merely a part of the composite freight and refrigeration charge, the component factors of Avhich are not stated. The laAV requires that the carriers shall state separately in their tariffs all charges for refrigeration and similar services in connection with the receipt, han¬ dling and delivery of traffic, and we shall deal with these charges separately in this case." Our understanding of this situation is that the Kansas City Southern Eailway did not offer or furnish refrig¬ eration service on any basis less than the full carload minimum weight, and it then applied a stated carload re¬ frigeration rate, Avhich in this case happened to be $35.70 between the points involved. Witness J. Vast Eensselaer, district superintendent of Pacific Fniit Express and has had 36 years' experience in handling perishable freight. Witness Van Eensselaer's Exhibit No. 1 covers sched¬ uled refrigerator car line No. 13 on the Union Pacific Eailroad. It shows one car each week for the period of from April 15, 1918, to October 15, 1918, from Omaha to Grand Island containing 1. c. 1. perishable freight and is compiled on the basis of maximum refrigeration. The service between Omaha and Grand Island consists of two cars per week leaving Omaha Mondays and Thursdays. The Monday car of each week was selected (with the exception of two Mondays when the record of the movement was not complete) for the reason that it carries heavier tonnage than the Thursday car. (3214) 679 P. F. E. cars have a bunker capacity of approximately 11,000 pounds. With one or two exceptions, the full bunker capacity was furnished in the cars covered by this exhibit and paid for to the ice company. (3214) The exceptions mentioned relate to three cars in April and two in May where 5,400 pounds of ice was used be¬ cause in the early spring and during the fall months it is the practice to ice these cars to half of the bunker capacity on account of the cooler weather. The figures shown under the column "Initial Icing" represent the actual quantities of ice furnished with the exception that on May 20th P. F. E. car No. 1673 re¬ ceived 9,300 pounds, and on May 27th P. P. E. car No. 14617 received 8,000 pounds, and on July 15th P. F. E. car No. 2064 received 4,000 pounds, and on September 23rd P. F. E. car No. 13836 received 9,600 pounds. (3215) None of these cars received any re-icing betAveen Omaha and Grand Island. The ice cost was figured on the contract price in effect at the time, namely $3.50 per ton of ice delivered into the bunkers of the cars. At the bottom of his Exhibit No. 1, witness has figured the cost of rendering this refrigerator service on the basis of proposed tariff rate of 10c per 100 pounds of freight on an assumed average loading of 15,000 pounds per car. It shows that on this traffic the cost of service was $27.48 as compared with the proposed refrigeration charge of $15. Deficit, $12.48. Van Kensselaer's Exhibit No. 2 shows one car of 1. c. 1. scheduled refrigerator service for each week from April 15, 1918, to October 15, 1918, in refrigerator scheduled line No. 2 of the Union Pacific Railroad from Council Fluffs transfer to Cheyenne, Wyo., for 1. c. 1. perishables, 680 distance, 510 miles. (3217) The quantities of ice charged for on these cars is on the same basis as shown in Van Eensselaer's Exhibit No. 1 with the following exceptions: P. F. E. Car 1266-A on May 20th received 7,200 pounds of ice. P. F. E. Car 9351 on September 9th received 9,800 pounds of ice. P. F. E. Car 1419-A on October 1st received 3,600 pounds of ice. P. F. E. Car 15237 on October 11th received 7,800 pounds of ice. The total amount of ice actually furnished for the ini¬ tial icing of the cars on this exhibit was 249,800 pounds. In Column 5 of Exhibit No. 2 the figure |9.10 should be changed to $9.40, thus making the total ice cost $460.95. (3218) The average cost of rendering the service on the cars covered by this exhibit was $35.40 per car as compared with proposed revenue of $24.75. Deficit, $10.65. Van Eensselaer's Exhibit No. 3 is a statement of ton¬ nage freight revenue, and refrigeration revenue ac¬ cruing on perishable freight on cars operated in the schedule line shown from April 15th to October 15, 1918. (3290) The actual tonnage shown on line No. 13 was 13,008 pounds as against the minimum of 15,000 pounds. Van Eensselaer's Exhibit No. 2 shows a revenue, un¬ der proposed tariff, of $24.75 per car while Exhibit No. 3 shows the refrigeration revenue under the proposed tariff rate, on the actual tonnage in the cars, would be $11.56 per car. The freight revenue figures both as to tonnage and earnings were furnished by the Union Pacific Eailroad freight auditor from the waybills or freight bills. The refrigeration revenue on each car was 681 figured by witness' office and was based upon the actual amount of perishable tonnage in each one of the cars. (3221) These statements are representative of the average movement of perishable commodities in scheduled re¬ frigerator cars over the lines mentioned. (3222) The Union Pacific refrigerator service out of Omaha is not a year round service. During the period between October 15th and April 15th of each year these com¬ modities are transported either in dry cars or under heat. (3229) The amount of ice remaining in the bunkers on ar¬ rival at Grand Island and the cars shown in Van Ken- sselaer's Exhibit No. 1 goes with the car in westward movement into the loading stations from carload periods in California. (3240) It is broken up in small pieces and would cost more to remove it from the tanks than it would be worth. It represents a loss or wastage. (3241) Most of the freight moving in these cars on the Union Pacific is fresh meat and the aim is to give the best re¬ frigeration necessary or possible to protect that highly perishable commodity. No salt is used in these cars. The carrier does not know in advance how much freight or what kind of freight is going into these sched¬ uled refrigerator cars. There might he a very heavy ear one day that would take a maximum quantity of ice to properly cool it. (3242) Witness thinks that if maximum refrigeration is not given there is likely to be a burden of excessive claims. Witness considers that proper refrigeration requires the bunkers to be kept as full as they can at all points. To put the cost of ice at something near the amount actually 682 used Avould not be fair. Tbis ice is nsed and there is no salvage of that which remains in the hunkers at destination. (3243) Aside from the question of claims it was witness' opin¬ ion that as an operating proposition the cars from Omaha to Grand Island could be run with less ice but they could not get along without at least icing the tanks to half capacity. It would not temper the car originally. This amount at least is necessary in order to cool the car sufficiently for the protection of the contents. Sched¬ uled refrigerator cars leaving the different terminals in the mornings are iced the preceding night and those that leave at night are iced either the previous night or early in the morning, before they are sent down to the freight house for loading. (3246) They have already been iced several hours before loading begins. Usually there are regular hours for the receipt and loading of perishable freight and to that end they are usually set in at the freight house at a particular time. (3247) Witness has also figured that in the interest of giving good service it was necessary to ice these cars to capacity during the hot summer season. Claims for damage to fresh meat or other perishable commodities are filed with the freight claim agent. His practice has been to base proper refrigeration on the ice tank conditions. If the ice tanks are found to be less than half full it is the practice of the freight claim agent to assume that the responsibility is on the carrier for the improper refrig¬ eration. It is absolutely the fact that 10,000 pounds of ice in the bunkers gives greater refrigeration to a ship¬ ment than if it started out with 5,400 pounds or any amount less than 10,000 pounds. (3249) If the cars do not contain fresh meat it is not neces¬ sary to have so much ice. Claims on fresh fruits and 688 vegetables do not give so much trouble. The percent¬ age of fruits and vegetables loaded in these 1. c. 1. sched¬ uled refrigerator cars is less than that of fresh meat shipments and the percentage of claims on fruits and vegetables is less than the claims on fresh meat ship¬ ments. In the cars covered by witness' exhibits about 75 per cent of the tonnage consists of fresh meats and packing house products. (3251) The same percentage of fresh meat and packing-house product tonnage applies to the Cheyenne car shown in witness' Exhibit No. 2. (3252) The Cheyenne car shown in witness' Exhibit No. 2 runs thrice each week, on Monday, Wednesday and Fri¬ day and the greater proportion of freight in those cars is packing-house products including' fresh meats. The cars include perishable freight for points Cheyenne and west, and some of the freight goes forward to western points from the main line as far as Eock Springs, the first station east of Green Eiver. Another car contain¬ ing shipments from this car goes forward via main line to Ogden and another goes through Green Eiver, Poca- tello and points on the Oregon Short Line. This is a combination car not only for Cheyenne proper but for all points west. (3252) Omaha competes with Denver with this 1. c. 1. meat traffic. This schedule is elaborate and is due to competi¬ tion and ever since its establishment it has been a losing- proposition. Figures made from time to time for the completed schedule have shown that the percentage of revenue to the cost has not been commensurate with the expense. Still, the service has been left in for the pur¬ pose of giving good service to the shipper and meeting the competition of other lines. The running time of a scheduled refrigerator car from Omaha to Cheyenne is G84 approximately 36 to 40 hours. The run from Denver to Cheyenne is a night run of about 106 miles. (3253) If there is room in the refrigerator cars covered hy Exhibit No. 2, dry freight is loaded to fill out. Van Eensselaer's Exhibit No. 3 represents only perish¬ able tonnage in those cars. (3254) Perishable freight is usually very bulky. If it is crated cabbage or some¬ thing like that it takes up considerable room. The same is true of sacked potatoes or bags. (3258) The maximum loading of miscellaneons commodities of perishable freight would never run over fifteen to eighteen thousand pounds. (3259) If you load up only to 7,000 pounds there would be some space left. (3260) The Union Pacific schedule calls for 268 scheduled re¬ frigerator cars per week on the run to Grand Island and Cheyenne. There are 98 individual runs. The two runs from Omaha which witness has selected represents one short haul and one long haul. These different runs are solely established for the various commodities loaded in the communities served hy these cars. Some communities produce dressed meats, others dairy and others fruits and vegetables so that the loadings will vary considerably in the various runs. (3260) In the month of August, 1917, witness recalls one car that showed a loss of over $700 in one month. The cost of the ice was in excess of the revenue, (3261) Witness' line has not much easthound perishable traf¬ fic as compared with westbound. Refrigerator cars are usually not run prior to April 15th unless there is a warm spell of weather. Witness thinks it is as high on those runs as it is between Kansas City and St. Louis as they have temperatures running up to 110 and 120. (3263) 685 Ice cakes weigh a little more than 300 pounds each, hut they are charged up at 300 pounds. The 1918 price of ice at Omaha was $3.50 per ton. (3265) The 1917 price at Omaha was $2.50 and $3, both for artificial and natural ice. (3266) AVitness' jurisdiction on Union Pacific Railroad ex¬ tends from Green River eastward from Ogden eastward and includes the Kansas and Nebraska divisions and in a general way the St. Joseph and Grand Island Railroad. (7279) The Union Pacific Railroad operates a scheduled re¬ frigerator car one day per week on AVednesday for the line from Grand Island to Ord, Neb. (3279) A sched¬ uled refrigerator car is also operated from Grand Island on the Karney and Black Hill Line on AVednesday and Thursday of each week, and another car on Saturday and AA^ednesday goes from Grand Island through the North Platte Branch up to Hague. (3280) Another scheduled refrigerator car runs locally on Monday, Tues¬ day and Thursday from Grand Island to North Platte. (3281) These are P. P. E. cars and the P. P. E. Co. has nothing to do with them except to ice them and the P. P. E. in¬ spector inspects the tanks to see about the amount of ice. This is a joint inspection, the P. P. E. inspector exercising his jurisdiction over part of the trip and the railroad inspector over the remainder of the trip. At Grand Island the P. P. E. Co. inspects the cars hut the icing is done by the railroad employees. (3286) Van Rensselaer's Exhibit No. 1-A is the Union Pacific statement showing ice remaining in tanks and disposi¬ tion of cars after completing the run in schedule line No. 13, as shown in Van Rensselaer's Exhibit No. 1. It also shows perishable and nonperishable tonnage loaded 686 at Grand Island and the time and date of arrival of cars shown on Van Rensselaer's Exhibit No. 1, at Grand Island the amount of ice remaining in tanhs as shown in that exhibit and the time of the next departure of these cars from Grand Island. It shows that a majority of these cars were used in schedule line No. 27 Grand Island to Ord, a distance of 61 miles. There was no ad¬ ditional tank inspection made after their arrival at the end of schedule line No. 13 or at Ord and no ice was furnished at Grand Island. (8374) The inference might be that such cars showed a through movement from Omaha to Ord out of which the Grand Island freight had been taken at Grand Island. This is not a fact, how¬ ever, as there is an Omaha to Ord car leaving Monday and Thursday under schedule line No. 15. Consequently the cars provided for in schedule line No. '27 are the ears for Grand Island shipments only, destined to Ord at intermediate stations. Van Rensselaer's Exhibit No. 2-A is a Union Pacific Railroad statement showing ice remaining in tanks and disposition made of cars after completion of run of sched¬ ule line No. 2, as shown on Van Rensselaer's Exhibit No. 2; also perishable and nonperishable tonnage loaded at Cheyenne. There was only one car on Van Rensse¬ laer's Exhibit No. 2 that was used in filling another sched¬ ule. (8375) No check was made of the ice in the bunkers at the time the cars moved out on the new schedule run or of the cars at the time they arrived at Ord. Van Rensselaer's Exhibit No. 1-A merely shows the amount of ice in the cars on arrival at Grand Island. (8376) The 27 cars from Grand Island to Ord carried an aggregate tonnage of 90,114 pounds or a little less than 3,350 pounds per car. Under the proposed tariff 687 rate of 10c per 100 pounds of freight for this mileage, the refrigerator revenue on these cars would be an aver¬ age of $3.35 per car. On the cars shown in Van Eensse- laer's Exhibit No. 1 figured on the minimum there would be a deficit between the refrigeration cost and the re¬ frigeration revenue of approximately $12.48 per car. If the additional revenue from Grand Island to Ord was figured in the deficit would be reduced to $9.13 per car. (8377) The first two cars on Van Eensselaer's Exhibit 2-A moved west empty; the next two were loaded with non- perishable freight; the next two moved west empty; an¬ other was not used until three days after reaching its original destination; another not until four days tliere- after; the next Avent west empty; the next one was not used until four days after reaching its original destina¬ tion; the next moved Avest empty and the next AAms used in schedule line No. 39 and had in it on its new moA^e- ment 6,282 pounds of perishable freight; then six more nioA^ed AA'est empty; another Avas not used for six days; the next moved Avest empty ; the next three Avere not used until six, four and four days respectively; the next moved Avest empty and the last one Avas not moved until fiiAm days after it had reached its original destination. (9379) Witness T. H. Gormax, general freight agent, Amer¬ ican Eefrigerator Transit Co. Gorman's Exhibit 31 consists of one car of 1. c. 1. freight for each Aveek for the year 1916 from Chicago to St. Louis, operated as scheduled refrigerator service. These cars used an aggregate of 325,500 pounds of ice or an average of 6,260 pounds per car, Avhich cost an average of $23.75 per car. The average loading per car was 27,102 pounds of perishable freight. The proposed refrigeration rate on this movement AAmuld be $32.53 per car. 688 By adding $4 car supervision, $23.75 wortli of ice, $10.31 for hauling an average of 3,134 pounds of ice 286 miles, $5 bunker damage, would make a total of $33.06, which compared with the proposed charges would show a deficit of the 52 cars involved in this exhibit of $1.25 per car. (2934-42) These cars were initially iced at Chicago at a cost of $7.59 computed on present day costs to American Ee- frigerator Transit Co. These cars Avere selected by taking the first car each week for the same day each week throughout the year unless that day happened to fall on Sunday. For in¬ stance, witness took the first car of the first day of the month and the first car on the 8th, 15th and 22nd, of each month. (2935) Due to an oversight in making up Gorman's Exhibit No. 31, it contains no figures for switching. Gorman's Exhibit No. 32 is a statement of the move¬ ments of 52 scheduled refrigerator cars of 1. c. 1. freight from Kansas City to St. Louis in 1916, based upon 1919 ice costs, which is $7.57 per ton at Kansas City. No switching charge is included in this statement. These cars were selected in the same manner as those in Gor¬ man's Exhibit No. 31 and the exhibit shows the same fac¬ tors, Avhich, compared Avith the proposed tariff charge applicable to these cars, would show a deficit of $4.59 (2938-42) per car for handling this freight. Gorman's Exhibit No. 33 is made up in the same man¬ ner and includes the same factors as his Exhibit No. 31 and covers one car of 1. c. 1. scheduled refrigerator freight each week for 52 weeks, from St. Louis to Laredo, of perishable freight exclusively. These cars Avere initially iced at St. Louis where ice 689 costs $4.52 a ton. Some were re-iced at' North Little Eock Avliere ice costs $3.75 per ton, others were re-iced at Austin, Texas, where ice costs $5.50 per ton. This exhibit includes an item for switching. This exhibit shows by applying the proposed tariff charge applicable there Avould be a deficit of $3.25 per ear for furnishing this refrigeration service. (2939) Gorman's Exhibit No. 34 covers one car each week for 1916 of 1. c. 1. scheduled refrigerator freight from St. Louis to Fort Worth and is prepared in the same manner and covers the same elements and factors as Gorman's Exhibit No. 31, except that it does include switching. These cars were originally iced at St. Louis where ice costs $4.52 per ton; part of them were re-iced at Little Eock where ice costs $3.75 per ton and others were re-iced at Texarkana where ice costs $4.50 per ton. By apply¬ ing the proposed -tariff it shows an average deficit of $4.21 per car. (2942) In compiling these exhibits operations for the year 1916 Avere used because that Avas the latest year for which AA'itnsss has data from which to make accurate figures. The ice costs Avere computed by actual performance, namely, the actual amount of ice used for the initial icing and the re-icings where there was transit re-icing. (2942) Tlie American Eefrigerator Transit Co. no longer has supervision of the less than carload refrigerator service and that is the reason there have been no records or re¬ ports since 1916. (2945) Since 1916 the railroads have tliemselves handled the 1. c. 1. refrigerator service. (3946) The tabulation under the heading "Bunker Capacity," Gorman's Exhibits 31 to 34, inclusive, is not the true indication of the bunker capacity of those cars nor does it indicate that the cars were loaded to bunker capacity 690 ill each instance. This tabulation merely shows the amount of ice actually put in the hunkers and does not include any ice that may have been left in the hunkers from previous icings. (2950) The quantity of ice put in the hunkers is determined by multiplying the number of cakes used by the weight of the cakes. The 1. c. 1. refri gerator car service from Chicago to St. Louis is a daily service and refrigeration is fur¬ nished during the winter months as well as during the summer months. (2967) In Avitness ' opinion full and effective refrigerator serv¬ ice from Chicago to St. Louis would require as much ice in December as in July. (2996) Witness expressed the opinion that the collection of ])roposed 1. c. 1. refrigerator charges would have no effect upon the service, except possibly to eliminate from refrigerator cars some freight AAdiich could move in box car equipment. , Witness thinks that the establishment of 1. c. 1. refrigerator charges would enable carriers to give better 1. c. 1. service, as it would produce a revenue that would enable the carriers to better supervise the business. (1944) Witness T. R. Kinneesley, car service agent of the Ore¬ gon Short Line (1951) testified as follows: Kinnersley's Exhibit No. 1 is a statement of the cost of refrigeration of 1. c. 1. perishable freight and the per¬ formance of representative scheduled cars from Salt Lake City to Pocatello on the Oregon Short Line from June, 1918, to October 14, 1918 (1952), showing one car out of the line each week for the period during which the Short Line operates refrigerator cars under refrigera¬ tion (1953) ; also shoAving freight revenue to ultimate destinations as Butte, Bliss, Parma and Pocatello, fig- 69Í ured ou mileage pro rata; 19 ears are shown. The cost was 116.34 per car, or $310.46 refrigeration charges, in¬ cluding the cost of 5,000 pounds of ice at $2.50 per ton, $6.25 ; 35 cents switching to ice house, $5 bunker damage, $4 for supervision, and ice haulage of 74 cents for 3,750 pounds of ice for a haul of 170 miles from Salt Lake City to Pocatello. (1954) Figured on the short mileage basis the average freight revenue from perishable freight in those cars was $20.66 in comparison with the freight reve¬ nue tariff on a through haul. Kinnersley's Exhibit No. 2 covers 19 1. c. 1. schedule re¬ frigerator cars moving from Salt Lake City to Malad, Idaho—109 miles. The average cost of this refrigera¬ tion service was at $16.11 per car, and the average freight revenue on the contents of those cars figured on the same mileage basis, in comparison with the freight revenue on the through haul was $11.43 (1955), or $4.68 less per car than the cost of refrigeration. Kinnersley's Exhibits Nos. 1 and 2 are fairly representative of the schedule 1. c. 1. car service. Generally on the Oregon Short Line when the cars get to Pocatello there is a new service be¬ yond ; that is not true of the cars going to Malad, except occasionally if anything happens to be freighted for re¬ turn from Malad ; that is the end of a branch. Pocatello is the end of the particular schedule run. Exhibit No. 2 shows the entire business to Malad. (1956) In order to get a representative statement in these ex¬ hibits, witness included the long haul and the short haul, and in cases where there was a short line haul he has shown intermediate hauls. (1957) The Pocatello car docs not pick up any perishable freight en route. It represents one car per week, or one car out of a desig¬ nated line operating semi-weekly or tri-weekly, as the case may be. (1958) These exhibits simply shoAv one 692 car per week on the various lines and is not a setout car. The cars in Exhibit No. 1 break bulk at Pocatello; they operate from a local point to a local point which is, how¬ ever, from the largest jobbing center to a break bulk point and represent the ordinary published car used by Avholesalers in distributing their goods to the retailers along the line. The Oregon Short Line would not operate refrigerator cars to stop at every point. Exhibit No. 1 contains shipments for points in Idaho beyond Pocatello. (1859.) The second exhibit shows shipments picked up at Brigham, a junction point on the Malad line; such shipments are practically only nomi¬ nal, and exhibit shows only some five or six shipments from Brigham. The revenue on the pickup business at that junction is included in the exhibit. The cars in Exhibit No. 1 are operated in through trains to Pocatello, and the shipments go on local from there beyond. The cars shown in Exhibit No. 2 are operated in a through train to the main line junction beyond, and from there on the locals. The peddler cars usually move in through trains to certain points part of the way over the divi¬ sion. They are usually operated, as far as possible, on through trains before they go into the locals. (1959.) The shipments shown in Kinnersley's Exhibits Nos. 1 and 2 are representative of ordinary refrigeration serv¬ ice furnished under schedules used by wholesale mer¬ chants generally. The exhibits are representative of the railroad serving the wholesale point with stations all along its line, perhaps from five to ten miles apart. Occasionally at these stations perishable commodities like eggs, fruits, etc., are offered in small quantities. The tariff revenue derived from this pickup business is not considered on these cars because there is practically no such business offered from the routes where those cars go, and the pickup business is not shown on these 693 exhibits. (1961.) There was other freight loaded in these particular cars ; their loading ran from six to seven tons total, both perishable and nonperishable. (1968.) AVitness states that the use of the refrigeration cars shown in his Exhibit No. 1 displaces a car which would otherwise have been set for dead freight moving between Salt Lake City and Pocatello. (1969.) AATtness P. B. Beidelman, assistant general freight agent of the Great Northern Kailroad was a member of the committee which compiled the proposed tariff. He states that the rates in Section Six of the proposed taritf are published from and to specific points 1. c. 1. the same as carloads, for the reason that the committee endeavored to reflect the cost of the service, and the cost of service in the opposite direction is not always identical owing to the varying prices of ice, and the initial icing is the heavy part of the cost, for instance, on the Great North¬ ern points prices in Montana are higher than in Minne¬ sota, and, therefore, the committee did not undertake to publish tlie same 1. c. 1. charges from Montana to Minne¬ sota as it did from Minnesota to Montana. (1971.) AVitness George H. Nelson, manager of the Santa Fe refrigerator department, testified, as follows ; At Los Angeles, California, schedule car service is figured on an arbitrary basis of 15,000 pounds loading, which witness thought was a little high, cost for ice per car, as fol¬ lows : These figures include the cost of repairs to refrigerator Schedule No. 90, May, 1919 Schedule No. 90, June, 1919 Schedule No. 90a, May, 1919 Schedule No. 90a, June, 1919 Schedule No. 90b, May, 1919 Sehetjule No. 90b, June, 1919 Schedule No. 90c, May, 1919 Schedule No. 90c, June, 1919 $16.29 16.99 15.58 16.99 18.17 19.70 17.37 18.13. 694 devices and haulage of ice. (936.) The average of the above figures represents a cost of 17.2 cents per 100 pounds of freight. For this service the tariff in question proposes 12 cents per 100 pounds, or 5.2 cents less than the actual cost of rendering the service at the times above m'^^ntioned. (937.) On four cars of 1. c. 1. perish¬ able freight each month for the twelve months of 1918, from Kansas City to Emporia, the average cost shown for the service was $21.63, including supervision, cost of ice, ice haulage and bunker damage. Under this tar¬ iff the proposed charge for this service is $19.21, so that if these shipments had moved under the proposed tariff they would have represented a loss of $2.42 per car. (Nel¬ son's Exhibit No. 25, p. 1718.) On four cars of 1. c. 1. perishable freight each month for the twelve months of 1918 from Kansas City to Oklahoma City, the cost of the service, including the same items above mentioned with respect to Nelson's Exhibit No. 25, was an average of $30.62 per car. The proposed tariff provides a charge for this service of $23.04 per car, and if applicable at the time would have represented a loss to the carrier of $7.58 per car. (Nel son's Exhibit No. 26, p. 1719.) On four cars of 1. c. 1. perishable freight each month for the twelve months of 1918 from Kansas City to Hous¬ ton, the service cost, including the same elements above mentioned, was $41.74. Under the proposed tariff the revenue for this service would be $32.76, or a loss to the carrier of $8.98 per car. (Nelson's Exhibit No. 27, p. 1719.) It was afterwards discovered that in Nelson's Exhibit No. 24, he had used a 12-eent rate in the proposed tariff as applicable between Kansas City and Emporia, where¬ as, in fact, the 10-cent rate applied, so that instead of proposed tariff yielding a revenue of #19.21 per car, as 695 shown on Nelson's Exhibit No. 24, it would render a revenue of |16, and, therefore, show a loss to the carrier of 7.2 cents per 100 pounds of freight. (1725.) In these exhibits the figure of |4 per car was used for supervision cost. This is the average cost of super¬ vision per car. (1727) The ice haulage shown in these exhibits was computed on the basis set forth by the Inter¬ state Commerce Commission in Arlington Heights Fruit Exchange v. S. P. Co., 20 I. C. C., 106, as 25 cents per hundred pounds for a haul of 2,164 miles. (1732) The tendency of the application of the proposed tariff to 1. c. 1. perishable freight would be to diminish the tonnage of that class of freight shipped in refrigerator cars, for the reason that shippers would no longer, as now, insist upon a refrigerator car service for com¬ modities that do not require it, and the cars would, to that extent, be released for essential service. (1741) By way of illustration: on the commodities shipped in refrigerator car service that do not require refrigeration, Avitness referred to potato shipments in September or October, also to shipments of groceries which may in¬ clude cheese. Shippers also have the idea that refrig¬ erator car service is expedited service and makes better time than box car service. In Western Classification tariff there is no charge at the present time for the 1. c. 1. refrigeration service, and there never has been any such charge there. (1742) There is in Santa Fe tariff 8123-J, I. C. C. 7370, Item 80, providing that a special car will be supplied for 10,000 pounds, or more, at the second- class rate from point of origin to final destination on which no charge will be made for initial icing or re-icing. (1744) The theory of the proposed tariff is not that the carrier should sell ice, but that it should sell and fur¬ nish refrigeration. (1747) In the figures submitted by the witness he has included 696 the $4 item for supervision cost. It is the theory of the proposed tariff that supervision should be included in the cost of rendering 1. c. 1. refrigeration service, as well as in rendering of c. 1. refrigeration service, and it was witness' judgment that 1. c. 1. service cost more to supervise than the c. 1. service. (1749) Witness has been with Santa Fe Befrigerator Depart¬ ment twenty-one years, about ten of which were spent on the road supervising the icing of the cars. (1766) Nelson's Exhibit No. 28 was prepared at the request of the Examiner, and shows the cost of rendering sched¬ ule refrigerator service on 17 cars of 1. c. 1. perishable freight from Los Angeles, California, to Search Light, Nevada, during the months of May and June, 1919. The cost of ice supplied to those 17 cars averaged $18.02 per car. The rates of the proposed tariff applicable to that service are $15.05 per car, and, therefore, $2.97 per car less than the service cost the carrier. (2135) Witness H. A. Huber, superintendent refrigerator service of the Chicago, Bock Island and Pacific Bailroad, testified that he has been engaged in railroad transporta¬ tion service since 1886. His Exhibits No. 10 (1809) and 10-a cover one car each week for 52 weeks commencing May 1,1918, from Kansas City to El Beno ; the same number from Kansas City tô Tucumcari, and the same number from Kansas City to Denver. (6012-6013) They give the details of the ice and salt, the average weight of the freight in the car, and the total revenue and average per car revenue. The rate in the proposed tariff applicable to these shipments would have been 12 cents per hundred pounds on the cars to El Beno, 20 cents per hundred pounds on the cars to Tucumcari, and 16| cents per hundred pounds on the cars to Denver, and under those rates the refrigeration 697 revenue would have amounted to $2,679.09, or $226.76 less than the service actually cost the carrier, without tak¬ ing into consideration the other factors that enter into the cost of remedying the service. (6013-6014) The same business handled between May 1, 1919, and May 1, 1920, would, at the prevailing ice cost, cost ap¬ proximately $540 more than it did when that service was rendered, assuming, of course, that the ice price does not increase between now and May 1, 1920. Pres¬ ent ice prices which witness pays at Kansas City will prevail until January 1, 1920, after that he does not know what the prices will be. (6014-6015) Huber's Exhibits No. 11 (1811) and 11-a show the de¬ tails of 59 cars of 1. c. 1. perishable freight moving from Hutchison, Kansas, during the m^onths of June and July, 1918, to the following stations: 16 to Bucklin, Kansas. 17 to Arkalon, Kansas. 17 to Tueumcari, New Mexico. 9 to Delhart, Texas. If all the freight handled in these cars had gone to destination of the car the rate applicable under the pro¬ posed tariff would have been 10 cents per 100 pounds of freight to Bucklin and Arkalon, and 12 cents per 100 pounds to Tueumcari and Delhart, and would have yielded a refrigeration revenue of $878.04, or $165.01 less than the cost of the ice alone. If the 1919 price of ice were applicable to this tariff the service would have cost $300 more than it did, and the deficit would have been $465.01. (6016) Huher's Exhibits No. 12 (1812) and 12-a (6016) cover 34 cars of 1. c. 1. perishable freight moving from Den¬ ver, Colorado, during June and July, 1918, to Goodland, Topeka and Colorado Springs. According to practice on this traffic these cars were not iced to hunker capacity. 698 If the freiglit handled in these cars had been destined to the destination of the cars, the refrigeration revenue based on the proposed tariff would have been as fol¬ lows : 12 cents per 100 pounds to Goodland, or total of $288.39. 10 cents per 100 pounds to Colorado Springs, or total of $57.24. 15 cents per 100 pounds to Topeka, or total of $107.74. The aggregate, $453.35, would have exceeded the cost of the ice alone by $148.47. This is, of course, without taking into consideration any other items of the cost of rendering 1. c. 1. refrigeration service. The average haul of all freight in those cars was only 200 miles, therefore, the amount applicable for refrigeration under the pro¬ posed tariff rates would have been only $369.46; there¬ fore, the carrier's refrigeration revenue was $91.50 more than the hare cost of ice. At 1919 prices the ice for this tariff would have cost $413.50. It was witness' opinion that if the carriers get the refrigeration charges, as contemplated by the proposed tariff, it obviously would justify or permit the carriers to furnish a better service. (1824) Mr. Huber also thought that there were some commodities now offered for re¬ frigeration service that would go into ordinary box cars where they belonged if the proposed charge was made for refrigeration service. (1825) The witness estimated that the Eock Island Kailroad in 1918 furnished $57,000 worth of ice to schedule re¬ frigerator cars operated for 1. c. 1. perishable on which that railroad received no revenue other than the regu¬ lar haulage rate of the freight. For 1919, witness esti¬ mated that the Eock Island Eailroad will expend $80,000 for ice "furnished for this traffic without revenue other than the haulage rate on the freight. (6024) About ten 699 or eleven thousand pounds of perishable freight, of the kind handled in the cars referred to in Huber's Exhibits Nos. 10, 11 and 12 and 10a, 11a and 12a, is nearly all that can be handled in one car on account of the meas¬ urements of various kinds of packages. Exhibits Nos. 10 and 10a covered mostly fruit and some meat. (6030) The packages range all the way from banana racks to strawberry packages and on account of their lack of uniformity take up most of the room. (6031) When the packages are of uniform size the car can be loaded much more heavily. If the schedule cars are used for other freight such as butter, eggs, etc., the average load will be greater. (6031) Some of the 1. c. 1. schedule cars are not loaded to capacity. In some cases this space is left empty and in other cases the space is filled out with dead freight, but there was no dead freight loaded in any of the cars covered by these exhibits. (6032) In selecting the cars used in Exhibits 10 and 10a the first car each week of three runs or lines was taken. (6033) Because these cars handle some fresh meat it is neces¬ sary to ice them in th^ winter months as well as in ths summer months. The cars covered by this exhibit were published cars, although not carriers' published cars. (6034) They wei'e opened at different points along the line until they reached final destination. Opening a car in that manner affects the ice meltage. The practice with reference to the initial icing and the amount used therein is different in the winter months from that of the sum¬ mer months. In some cases less ice is used in winter, but not very much, if any, in cases where fresh meat is in¬ volved. (6034) Some fruits and vegetables are not iced at all in winter time, but they are supplied with heater service. (6035) Schedule refrigerator cars are iced early in the morn¬ ing or the night before they are loaded, and they stand 700 at the freight house during loading. This is done to se¬ cure a certain amount of ice meltage before loading in or¬ der to cool the cars. These cars, however, are not al¬ lowed to stand open all day. (6036) They are placed for loading in the morning, and they leave point of origin in the evening. In large centers perishable 1. c. 1. freight begins to appear at 2 or 3 o'clock in the afternoon. (6039) In Huber's Exhibits Nos. 13 and 13a the car from Wathena, Kansas, to Minneapolis, on August 22nd, took 25,400 pounds of ice, and the car between these points on September 29th took 13,400 pounds. This ditference in quantity of ice would not indicate any delay of the first car in transit, but is explained by the fact that the first car moved in August when it was very hot, while the second car moved in September when it is comparatively cool. (6040) While Huber's Exhibits Nos. 13 and 13a show dispar¬ ities in the amount of ice used on different cars between the same points on the same day, as, for instance, on Sep¬ tember 29, 1917, witness said that these differences in ice quantities occur right along, even though the records do not show any detention of the car which took the larger amount. He thinks, however, that his exhibits are representative of the traffic as a whole on the Rock Island road. (6043) Owing to climatic conditions it is the practice of Rock Island road not to ice to full capacity any schedule refrigerator cars originating in Colorado. It is generally quite cool during the day and very much cooler at night. (6045) Witness Fred Wilde, Jr., testified that he has been freight traffic manager of the Denver and Rio Grande Railroad for 20 years and in the railroad business 39 years. That the Denver & Rio Grande 1. c. 1. schedule refrig¬ erator cars operated on the 15th, 17th and 19th of July, 701 ■were as follows: Schedule car No. 10-C was operated from Denver to Pueblo; containing about 16,070 pounds of perishable tonnage, on which the carrier's revenue was $6.69. The cost of the ice in the bunkers at Denver was $5.16; the second car contained 3,355 pounds of perish¬ able freight on.which the carrier's earnings were $15.99; the charge made for refrigeration was the same amount and was based on $1.90 per ton for ice in the ice house, and 68 cents per ton for taking it from the ice house and placing it in the bunkers of the car. ,(1841) The third car contained 3,000 pounds of perishable freight upon which the carrier received a revenue of $10.53, and the charge for ice entered for refrigeration was $5.16. Refrigerator schedule car No. 11-C is operated daily, except Sunday, between Denver, Colorado Springs and Manitou ; six of these cars were used, and they contained from 3,160 pounds minimum to 8,792 pounds maximum of perishable freight. The freight earnings on those cars Avere $7.09 and $34.61. The cost of refrigerating those cars at Denver was $5.16 per car. Under refrigerator schedule 12-C, five cars were taken; they carry perish¬ able freight from Denver to points west of Salida. These cars are initially iced at Denver and re-iced at Pueblo and Salida. At Pueblo the contents of the Denver car are transferred to the Pueblo car, and at Salida the contents of the Pueblo car transferred to the Salida car. The cost of refrigerating in Denver was $5.16 ; at Pueblo $6.06 per car; at Salida $11.12 per car, making a total of $22.34 per car. The cars contained from 2,733 pounds to 24,590 pounds of perishable freight, on which the freight reA'enues were from $40.85 to $95.45 per car. (1842) The Western Classification makes no provision for any¬ thing except the transportation or haulage charge. (1843) The additional service is provided for by the in¬ dividual line. 702 "Witness thinks that the exception to the classification provision by the individual lines came about by some one line originating the scheme and every other line getting into line. It was a case of competition. The original rates were predicated on the original amount of commod¬ ities of that character in box-car equipment, and not in any of these more expensive special cars. When witness came to this part of the country, namely, Denver, he v;as employed in the general freight office of what is now known as the Colorado and Southern, in those days called the Denver, Texas and Fort Worth Railroad. They had no refrigerator cars Avhatever, every pound of freight and perishable commodities that the railroad carried were moved in ordinary cars. The refrigerator move¬ ment, both 1. c. 1. and c. 1. is a growth of later years, and developed long after the freight rate was established. (1844) McPike's Exhibit No. 78 is a statement of weights and perishable freight handled in regular refrigerator schedules on the Illinois Central Railroad (northern and western lines) during the calendar years 1916, 1917, and 1918 between points on or north of Ohio River, averaging per car: 1916 9653 lbs. 1917 9535 lbs. 1918 12606 lbs. (2106-2108) McPike's Exhibit No. 114 is a statement of representa¬ tive cars (52) operating during 1918 under refrigerator schedule from Chicago, breaking bulk at Ft. Dodge (375 miles) running out of Sioux Falls (547 miles) average haul, 461 miles, based on 1919 ice costs. 703 Average cost of ice (5,172 lbs.) per car Damage to refrigerator devices per car Ice haulage (av. weight 3,879) per car Supervision per car $14.48 5.00 2.07 4.00 Total $25.55-^15000 lbs. $25.55 $0.17 per 100 lbs. frt. Proposed tariff charge, Chicago to iff. Dodge .12 per 100 lbs. frt. Proposed tariff charge, Chicago to Sioux Falls .185 per 100 lbs. frt. This exhibit consists of one car each week for the year 1918. None of the cars were iced before April 17th. The ice averages were arrived at by dividing the quantity of ice used, 150,000 pounds by the 29 cars that were iced. klcPike's Exhibit No. 115 is a statement of representa¬ tive cars (53) operating during 1918, under refriger¬ ator schedule from Chicago, breaking bulk at Dubuque (183 miles) and running out at "Waterloo (276 miles) average haul 229 miles based on 1919 ice costs. Average cost of ice (5333) lbs.) per car |14.93 Damage to refrigerator devices per car 5.00 Haulage of ice (av. weight 3,400 lbs.) .90 $24.83-^15000 lbs.—$0.17 per 100 lbs. of freight. Proposed tariff charge to Dubuque 10c per 100 lbs. Proposed tariff charge to Waterloo 12c per 100 lbs. Of the cars on this exhibit none were iced until May Sth. (8966-69) A grand average on all refrigerator car movements north of the Ohio River for three entire years shoAved a little over 12,000 pounds of perishable freight per car even under war conditions of heavy loadings and econo¬ mizing of equipment, so witness felt that an average of 15,000 pounds of freight per car was giving the shippers Supeiwision per car Total $24.83 4.00 704 the benefit of every doubt. (See McPike's Exhibit No. 78.) The Illinois Central being a north and south road and subject to all climatic conditions, witness thinks it is about as nearly representative as can be found, to make an average. Referring to his Exhibit No. 115 witness stated it was the practice of the Illinois Central and other railroads, on westbound schedule cars, to graduate the initial icing from nothing in winter to a reasonable amount as the spring advances and the summer comes on. Merritt's Exhibit No. 43 is a statement of less-than- carload perishable tonnage and the cost of ice on ship¬ ments moving from St. Paul, Minn., to Jamestown, N. D., to Billings, Mont., and to Seattle, Wash. (Tr., 8310.) The following is a statement of the average cost of ice per car, the average freight revenue per car and the perishable revenue per car under the proposed tariff': Av. per- Av. ice cost Av. frt. ishable Origin—Destination per car Revenue Revenue 'St. Paul to Jamestown $19.28 $31.16 $ 6.95 St. Paul to Billings 31.07 126.08 13.22 St. Paul to Seattle 51.56 151.70 15.68 (Tr., 8310-11) Witness Edward E. Betts is superintendent of trans¬ portation of Chicago and North Western Railroad, and has been in charge of these matters for about twenty-two years. (3931) Rett's Exhibit No. 1 consists of statements one to ten, inclusive. Statement No. 1 covers 50 cars of 1. c. 1. per¬ ishable freight loaded at the C. & N. W. State street freight house, Chicago, with an aggregate of 234,666 jionnds of perishable freight, or an average of 4,693 pounds per car. The average revenue taken from the 705 billings on this freight was $16.96 per car. The average cost of ice two and one-fortieth tons at $7 per ton was $14.70 exclusive of bunker damage or ice haulage. (3932) The cost of switching these cars which would not have been necessary if freight had been loaded in box cars was 87 cents per car ; determined by an actual test made at the freight house one evening during the progress of the hearing of this case .in Chicago. This switching cost was determined by multiplying the actual extra time required by $11.85 per switch engine hour. The average excess weight of these refrigerator cars over box cars was 8,000 pounds. The weight of the ice in these cars was 2,000 pounds per car, making a total excess weight per car of 10,000 pounds. (3933) The total gross ton miles of these two items is 50 tons, which if multiplied by the average car mileage on these cars equals 1,205 ton miles. The C. & N. W. operating cost is approximately six mills per ton mile. The cost of handling five tons ex¬ cess weight (for excess weight of car and ice) (3933) for 241 miles at six mills per ton mile is $7.23, which to¬ gether with switching and the cost of the ice showed the cost on these cars of $27.27, as compared with the reve¬ nue of $16.96 derived from the movement of this freight. There was, therefore, a deficit of $10.31 per car exclu¬ sive of supervision or any necessary re-icing or the use of the property taxes or additional interest for the addi¬ tional cost of refrigerator over box cars. (3934) Statement No. 2 covers 50 cars of 1. c. 1. perishable freight loaded at Grand avenue freight station, Chicago, and is made up in the same manner as statement No. 1, and consists of the summary on the front sheet and three subsequent pages in detail showing an average cost of $29.25 as compared with the average earnings of $48.65 per car. (Gross earnings per car, $19.50.) 706 Statement No. 3 covers 50 cars of 1. c. 1. perishable freight loaded at Milwaukee in July, 1919, and consists of a summary on the first sheet and two sheets of details. It shows an average cost of $22.23 per car as compared with average earnings of $28.45 per car. Gross earnings per car, $6.22. Statement No. 4 covers nine cars of 1. c. 1. perishable freight loaded at Sioux City and consists of a summary on the first page and one page of details. It shows an average cost of $35.01 per car as compared with the average earnings of $33.70 per car. (Deficit $1.31 per car). (3936) Statement No. 6 is a recapitulation of statements one, two, three and four, and shows gross earnings of $4.74 per car on the 159 cars involved. (3938) Statement No. 5 shows that the C. & N. W. ice costs at Chicago at present time are $7.02 per ton in hunkers, and $3.21 per ton at Mihvaukee and $7 per ton at Sioux City, Iowa. (3937) Statement No. 7 is an analysis of the 159 cars above mentioned, showing which of them go the entire distance vdth all of the freight, and are, therefore, straight cars to destination (3940) ; and those that unload at the first way freight division and those that go beyond the second way freight division. Statement No. 9 shows that on the handling of these 159 1. c. 1. refrigerator cars the cost of handling the freight was $24.50 per car, after deducting the gross earnings of $4.74 per car shown in statement No. 6. This figure shows a loss of $19.76 per car on 1. c. 1. refrig¬ erator service. (3941) The C. & N. W. Railroad operates 1. c. 1. refrigerator cars from Omaha to Chicago. Five of tlicse cars loaded between June 18th and 26, 1919, contained an aggregate 707 of 2,222 pounds, or 444 pounds per car. One of these cars contained 3t0 pounds of perishable freight that earned 12.33—another contained 1,912 pounds, earning $22.02. Three others contained no perishable freight and, there¬ fore, had no earnings. The total earnings on these five cars was $24.35, or an average of $4.87 per car. They were scheduled refrigerator cars, available for such ton¬ nage as they could get (3943) ; and that is all of the per¬ ishable freight that they got. They did, however, carry some dead freight. (3944) At the C. & N. W. State street station, Chicago, per¬ ishable freight is loaded at the same depot and over the same platform as freight loaded in box cars. In prepar¬ ing witness' statement No. 1 in Betts' Exhibit No. 1, he did not select any particular days or any particular car. (3944) He included all cars containing perishable freight loaded at that station on July 7th and July 8, 1919. There is a material cost for the supervision of 1. c. 1. perishable freight, but the witness had been unable to ascertain the exact amount of this cost per car. (3947) It costs from $600 to $700 a month. There are inspec¬ tion costs at each re-icing point and considerable labor involved. The witness did not know the exact amount, consequently he did not include anything for supervision in his Exhibit No. 1. (3948) Illinois Territory. As applying to Southern Illinois including the move¬ ment from St. Louis and East St. Louis to Chicago, see Illinois Central Railroad Tariff I. C. C. A-8383; Illinois Central Railroad Tariff 7991-B (intrastate only) ; Wa¬ bash Railroad Tariff I. C. C., 4579, Item 220; those is¬ sues containing stated charges above the freight rate, for refrigeration. 708 Official Classification Territory. The testimony of D. T. Laweence, a member of the Official Classification Committee, showed the following situation with regard to the history of rates and rat¬ ings on perishable commodities in Official Classification territory : 1. General history, intention and meaning of classifi¬ cation provisions in Official Classification territory with respect to protection from cold and heat. In so far as the Official Classification is concerned, the carriers have never been held out as furnishing free protection from cold, or in fact, as furnishing protection from cold. (3079-80) (Lawrence Exhibit 1.) With respect to protection from heat, the provision was that the railroad companies may furnish ice for property of third or a higher class when loaded in refrigerator or other cars. This phraseology distinctly meant that the carriers may not furnish ice for property rated lower than third class. (3081) (Lawrence Exhibit 2.) A rule of this nature appeared in classifications prior to Official Classification No. 1. Effective April 6, 1885, the Official Classification for eastbound freight provided that rail¬ road companies may furnish ice for property of fifth or a higher class when loaded in refrigerator or other cars. (3090) On that date the eastbound rate, Chicago to New York, was 50c per hundred pounds, fifth class, while on April 1, Í887, when Official Classification No. 1 became effective providing only for ice for property rated third class or higher, the third class rate from Chicago to New York was 50c. (3091) The word "may" has always been construed by Official Classification men and the traffic officials as meaning that the cari'iers Avere permitted to furnish ice but were not 709 obligated to do so. (3082) The view of the Official Classification Committee in 1897 is shown in a letter dated July 25, 1897, signed by C. E. Gill, chairman of the Offi¬ cial Classification Committee, in reply to a letter dated January 22, 1897, from the Provincetown Cold Storage Company, Provincetown, Mass. (3082) This letter from the Provincetown Cold Storage Company is in the record at page 3083, the reply at pages 3084-5-6. The reply states "Hence, you will notice that it is not obligatory lipon the carriers to furnish ice." (3085) In January, 1908, it was proposed that the word "may" be corrected to read "will." This was opposed by many carriers. The consensus of opinion seemed to be that the rule might well be revised in some proper way so that it would be specific in its statement as to what the carriers would or would not do, but the method pro¬ posed, that is, to make it obligatory upon the carriers to furnish ice, met with considerable opposition. (3087) The opposition came from carriers who were not furnish¬ ing ice under the permission granted by the word "may" or who were not participating in the expense of ice fur¬ nished by other carriers. Both features were involved. The fact was that at that time there were carriers who were not participating in the payment of these charges (3087), but were placing the burden of the payment of them upon the shippers. (3088) The difference of opin¬ ion among carriers did not center entirely about the ques¬ tion of prorating the cost of ice among the several car¬ riers participating in the haul. (3140-41) As early as the year 1900 the Central Vermont Eail- way made a charge of 10c per hundred pounds for the icing of perishable property in pickup cars from points on its line or points on certain connections to Boston, Worcester and Providence. This charge was at first published in a circular not filed with the Interstate Com- 710 merce Commission. As early as 1904 the New York Cen¬ tral Eailroad issued a similar circular to its agents with respect to a charge of 10c per hundred pounds on perish¬ ables from its E. W. & 0. division to New York or Boston. This circular was not given an I. C. C. number until 1906. In 1913 the New York Central Eailroad established a refrigeration charge of 10c per hundred pounds on lim¬ burger cheese from Booneville/; N. Y., and in 1917, made that charge apply from Alder Creek and Booneville, N. Y. This was for refrigeration to New York City. (3089) The New York, New Haven & Hartford Eailroad so far as the witness was able to ascertain, never did supply free ice. It was brought out in the oyster cases, 39 I. C. C., 690 and 43 I. C. C., 504, that the New Haven road did not furnish free ice for oysters, and statements have been made to the Official Classification Committee by oyster shippers that as to the local business of the New Haven road moving from oyster shipping points to New York City, the New Haven did not furnish the ice, where¬ as the Long Island Eailroad operating on the other side of the sound did furnish the ice. (3089-90) Where car¬ riers did not furnish ice free years ago it is very diffi¬ cult to give reference to the arrangements specifically, for the reason that where a charge was to he made in the old days, it was not a tariff matter. The carriers con¬ sidered that they had no tariff obligating them to fur¬ nish ice, and Avhere they did not intend to furnish ice (free) they would tell their agents to make a charge for it. It is difficult for the witness to trace back and get those records. (3124) 2. History of easthonnd rating on dairy products. Previous to the effective date of Official Classification No. 1 and for some years thereafter, eggs and dressed poultry and many other articles Avere carried at so-called owner's risk or released rates. This did not include hut- 711 ter or cheese. (3091-92) The classification ratings only applied when the articles were shipped at owner's risk. When shipped at carrier's risk, very materially higher ratings applied. (3092-93) In 1871 the practice was to issue tariffs from the indi¬ vidual middle western cities to seaboard cities. These tariffs of class rates embodied the classification in them. Effective July 10, 1871, the St. Louis, Vandalia & Terre Haute Eailroad published such a class rate tariff from Terre Haute, Ind., to eastern cities. (3093) This tariff showed butter taking second-class rate. A portion of the tariff is missing. The portion of the classification contained therein which is available is identical with a classification effective from Chicago November 20, 1872, and presumably eggs, cheese and dressed poultry were all rated second class in 1871. (3094) Effective Novem¬ ber 20, 1872, the National Line operating from Chicago over the Pittsburgh, Chicago & St. Louis Railroad issued" a tariff from Chicago to seaboard cities. This taritf contained its classification and showed butter, eggs, cheese and dressed poultry as taking second-class rates. (3094- 95) A complete list of all article^ taking second-class rate in the classification contained in this tariff appears at pages 3096 and 3097. The second-class rate Chicago to New York at that time was $1.25 per hundred pounds. (3097) This tariff is intact and said nothing about re¬ frigeration. (3098) Tariff of the Pennsylvania Com¬ pany effective April 17, 1876, showed butter, eggs and dressed poultry still taking second-class rate, cheese in lots of less than 10,000 pounds. Third class, and cheese in quantities of 10,000 pounds or more, 65c per hundred pounds New York to Chicago. The rates then were— Chicago to New York—second class, $1.10; third class, 85c ; fourth class, 40c. (3098) Tariff of the Pennsyl¬ vania Company effective January 15, 1887 (should be 712 1877) included butter, eggs and dressed poultry in the third-class group. Cheese in lots of less than 10,000 pounds was in the third-class group while cheese in lots of 10,000 pounds or over was rated 55c Chicago to New York. (3099) Tariff of the National Line effective April 18, 1881, showed butter and eggs third class, cheese fourth class. A sheet of the classification contained in this tariff is missing and the rating for dressed poultry is not given. Classifications from the various middle state cities to the East were at that time kept uniform and contemporaneously classifications from Louisville and St. Louis made dressed poultry second class. At that time the class rates were Chicago to New York third class, 70c, fourth class 60c. (3099) Official Classification of Eastbound Freight No. 21, effective October 22, 1886, showed the same ratings for butter, cheese and eggs as were effective in National Line tariff in 1881, the rating on dressed poultry in 1886 being second class. Official Classification No. 1, effective April 1, 1887, made butter and eggs second class, cheese third class, dressed poultry first class and the rates then established we're—Chicago to New York—first, 75c; second, 65c ; third, 50c. (3100) In 1872 the rate on all four commodities (butter, eggs, cheese and dressed poultry) from Chicago to New York Avas $1.25 per hundred pounds. In 1887 when the ratings Avere increased the actual rates on butter and eggs were reduced from 70c to 65c, making a reduction in actual rate since 1872 of 60 per cent. The rate on dressed poul¬ try was decreased from 85c to 75c, making a decrease in rate since 1872 of 40 per cent. (3102) At the time of the establishment of the original Official Classification No. 1 in 1887 the ratings on various com¬ modities eastbound Avere not the same as the ratings on the same commodities westbound. The ratings in the Avesthound classification Avere, generally speaking, higher 713 than the ratings in the eastbound classification, and when Official Classification No. 1 merged the eastbound and westbound and various other classifications into one is¬ sue, an apparent attempt was made to get a compromise in classification ratings. The result was an increase in very many classification ratings eastbound. It must be remembered, however, that at that time the eastbound rates were reduced. (3100-3102) 3. Eistory of refrigeration of dairy products. In absence of more definite records, the witness re¬ ferred to circulars issued by an agent of the Star Union Line operating over the rails which are now included in the Pennsylvania System. The lines that are now included in the Pennsylvania System were the pioneers in re¬ frigeration as connected^ with transportation. On No¬ vember 10, 1874, Mr. W. W. Chandler, agent of the Eed Star Department of the Union Line, issued a circular as agent of the Pittsburgh & Western Eefrigerator Line of cars announcing that that line had just decided to estab¬ lish a daily service for poultry, game, dressed meats, etc. (3104) He noted on this circular the fact that the Star Union Line still existed. (3105) On November 9, 1875, Mr. Chandler issued another circular with respect to the service of these refrigerator cars, announcing that the time Chicago to Jersey City was to be increased from about 37 hours to about 61 hours, and that the rate was to be reduced from $2 per hundred pounds to $1.50 per hundred pounds coincident with the increase of the length of the schedule. In that circular he mentioned the Star Union Line as a very fine line for eastbound high class merchandise, but said not a word about the Star Union Line furnishing refrigeration. (The witness failed to make it clear at this point that the expedited service for which the rate of $2 or $1.50 per hundred pounds were 714 assessed "was hy passenger train. The time in transit mentioned and later discussion of this subject can mean nothing else.) On November 10, 1874, Mr. Chandler had issued a circular regarding the Star Union Line announc¬ ing that it Avas the pioneer line in running through cars from Chicago to the east and gave high class service, but he made no mention of refrigeration. (3105) IIoav- ever, in 1873 the Star Union Line issued a document half tariff and half advertising, in "which it named class rates and told about its service. Printed in red ink on the margin of that tariff "v\ms a statement that the Star Union Line ran refrigerator cars from Chicago to New York in the summertime. The witness expressed grave doubt if this circular or tariff really meant that the Star Union Line ran refrigerator cars in freight service, his doubt being based upon the fact that Mr. Chandler was agent both for the Star Union Line and for the Pitts¬ burgh & Western Eefrigerator Line Avorking in the same interests, over the same rails, and that in literature is¬ sued primarily Avith respect to one line he had a habit of mentioning the other line. 4. Consideration of refrigeration by the classification committee as an element of classification. The Avitness gave an illustration (3109-3110) of cir¬ cumstances in which classification cannot be exact but must fairly consider average conditions, but stated that on the other hand Avhere a difference in characteristics is cleaidy marked and may be clearly defined, it is the duty of the classification men to pay attention to if. Eefrigera- tion is serA'ice more or less expensive and clearly de¬ fined. Traffic is refrigerated or is not refrigerated and in every instance the facts are known. In all fairness the carriers in making the classification never could have considered that refrigeration should be an element by 715 which they could reach a deterinination as to classifica¬ tion ratings. They would have knowledge that some traffic Avould be refrigerated at carrier's expense, some traffic refrigerated at shipper's expense, some traffic not refrigerated at all, certain traffic in the same hauls re¬ frigerated at some times of the year and not at other times of the year. The witness believes the classifica¬ tion representatives have adhered to their duty and taken no account of refrigeration in classification ratings, leav¬ ing to the carrier's own individual judgment that which could only be properly carried in the carrier's tariffs. (3110-11) Had the classification attempted to provide for refrigeration, the question of the measure of the charge would have arisen, which the Classification Com¬ mittee had no way of averaging. (3111) The Classifi¬ cation Committee has not considered the matter of re¬ frigeration in making its ratings. (3133) In witness' opinion the makers of Officiai Classifica¬ tion No. 1 when they included the permissive refrigera¬ tion rule considered what the previous rule was, stating the details. They did not interfere with the practice of the individual carriers. (3138-3139-3140) On July 15, 1887, the date the permissive refrigeration rule was amended so as not to apply on dressed meats (Exhibit 2). the rates Chicago to New York were on dressed meats. 65c ; on butter and eggs, 65c ; on dressed poultry, 75c; on cheese, 50e per one hundred pounds. (3150) In consid¬ ering from day to day the classification refrigeration rule, the Official Classification Committee only considered the question in so far as it might make a rule which would justify and authorize the practices which the car¬ riers were carrying on. (3171) 716 5. Refrigeration service tvlien given ivithout charge has been given as a gratuity. As showing the general atmosphere surrounding the making of rates and arrangements from Chicago to the East when refrigeration in connection with transporta¬ tion was in its infancy, the witness quoted from a circular issued November 23, 1875, by W. W. Chandler, wherein he referred to the Star Union Line as having done a large portion of its through business for the previous six months or more at less than half actual cost. (3107-3108) The witness' expressed opinion was that in the early days of refrigeration traffic from Chicago to the East was largely the subject of a struggle for supremacy and pres¬ tige rather than revenue, and that the refrigeration when given free was given to encourage and develop the traffic as a gratuity. (3109) The witness believes that the railroads installed refrigerator car service in order to encourage and develop industries which required it. (3131) The principle of temporarily transporting com¬ modities at a figure which might be considered low in order to develop tonnage and volume was freely em¬ ployed in the old days. (3131-3132) 6. Scope of the proceeding ivith respect to protection from cold and heat. Exhibit No. 3 (3112) is a history of ratings on various articles listed in Item 15 of Proposed Protective Perish¬ able Tariff No. 1. Lest the inference be gained that the carriers are attempting to effect an increase in the ship¬ per's charges on all of the commodities therein men¬ tioned, the Avitness called attention to eliminations from consideration which should be made as follows : 1. Item 15 provides with respect to many com¬ modities, protection from cold only. As this is not involved in so far as the Official Classification is con¬ cerned, all of those items should be eliminated. (3113) 717 2. No question arises as to any traffic rated lower than third class, and all such ratings should be elim¬ inated. (3113) 3. Eule 12 very early eliminated dressed fresh meats, packing-house products and fruits. Therefore, the ratings on those articles should be eliminated. (3113) 4. The rule specifically mentions protection from heat on articles packed in glass. It is difficult to conceive that there is a movement of articles packed in glass requiring protection from heat. Con¬ sequently, all such items should be eliminated. (3113- 3114) 5. Eefrigeration in addition to the rate has been found proper on oysters. Consequently oysters should be eliminated. (3114) 6. "Wine will doubtless disappear as an article of commerce and mav be eliminated from consideration. (3114) 7. Gireen melons, vegetables and nursery stock have ratings and minimum weights so arranged that a 15,000 pound shipment would be handled as a car¬ load, and these items may be eliminated. (3114) A list of articles technically proper for consideration on this record appears at pages 3114 and 3115. It will be noted also that the Proposed Consolidated Freight Classification No. 1, which has been proposed by the United States Eailroad Administration to consoli¬ date and supersede Official Classification No. 44, South¬ ern Classification No. 43 and Western Classification No. 55, contains at page 10, the following rule: "Rule 31—Section 1: Unless otherwise provided, carload ratings do not include the expense of refrigeration. Charges for refrigeration when furnished by the carrier, will be found in the carrier's taritfs. Section 2 : Eatings provided for freight in carloads do not obligate the carrier to furnish heated cars, nor to maintain heat in cars for freight requiring such pro¬ tection except under conditions where the carriers' tariff provides. 718 Section 3: Less than carload or any quantity ratings ap¬ plied on freight requiring protection against heat or cold do not obligate the carrier to provide refrigera¬ tion, or refrigerator or lined cars; heated or heater cars, or cars otherwise specially equipped for such protection except under the conditions which the car¬ rier's taritf provide." While it is true that the Commission refrains from expressing its approval of the classifications and ratings in this proposed Consolidated Freight Classification No. 1, the Commission nevertheless did give its official ap¬ proval of the rules, including the above quoted Rule No. 31. (I. C. C. Case No. 10204, 54 I. C. C., 471.) The effect of this rule, which is very similar to Rule 31 in the Southern Classification No. 43 above quoted, and to Rule 12 of the Official Classification No. 43 and Rule 31 of the Western Classification No. 55, is that unless the carriers file exceptions to this rule, or issue tariffs contrary thereto, the rule will govern and inasmuch as it is the purpose of Perishable Protective Tariff No. 1 to provide uniform rules and rates for the furnishing of pro¬ tective service for and on behalf of practically all of the carriers in the United States, Rule 31 of the' Proposed Consolidated Freight Classification No. 1, and Proposed Perishable Protective Tariff No. 1 will govern the situa¬ tion completely and uniformly throughout the different sections of the United States. Mr. p. C. Sprague is division freight agent Pittsburgh, Cincinnati, Chicago & St. Louis Railroad, Richmond, In¬ diana. He began in traffic department in 1900; division freight agent since 1912; devoted considerable time to study of refrigerator car traffic in C. F. A. territory and participated as a witness in the National Butter, Poul¬ try & Egg case (I. C. C. Docket No. 7969) and is fully informed on tlie subject of the relation between freight 719 rates and accessorial service furnished to perishable commodities. (3295) Spragne's Exhibit No. 1 was prepared on behalf of C. P. A. lines to show information with respect to changes proposed by Perishable Protective Taritf No. 1, the his¬ tory and development of refrigerator car service and the separation of the cost of refrigerator car service from the haulage rate. (The cover is treated as page 1.) (3296) Page 2 shows general picture of situation existing at C. F. A. territory at this time as compared with changes proposed in the taritf. Item No. 1, page 2 of this ex¬ hibit shows proposed |5 rental charge under Eule 40 of the taritf for use of dry refrigerator car, and that there is now no such charge for this equipment except from points in Michigan and Illinois, where a $5 charge is now and for many years has been charged for the use of a dry refrigerator car per trip. (3279) Item 2 of this exhibit shows proposed stated refriger¬ ator charges on fruits, vegetables, berries and melons under Section 2 of the taritf. At the present time car¬ riers do -not absorb refrigeration expense on fruits, grapes, berries, dressed meats, packing-house products, or other articles rated lower than third class in car¬ loads. Item third on page 2 of the exhibit shows proposed charges on meats, packing-house products, on the basis of cost per ton of ice and salt. At the present time on property rated lower than third class $4 per ton is charged for ice and 75c per 100 pounds for salt except at Ohio River crossings, where this charge is |4.50 per ton for ice and 7oc per 100 pounds for salt. These charges per. ton on ice and per hundredweight on salt are not assumed by the carriers but paid by the shippers. 720 Item 4 on page 2 of this exhibit shows proposed 1. c. 1. refrigeration charges on perishable commodities grad¬ uated on a mileage scale. At the present time on 1. c. 1. traffic rated lower than third class refrigeration charge is not absorbed by the carriers. On 1. c. 1. traffic rated third class or higher, except fruits, grapes, berries, dressed meats and packing-house products the carriers assume expense of refrigeration for perishable com¬ modities moving in scheduled refrigerator car service. Page 3 of this exhibit classifies the information or ex¬ perience of the C. F. A. Lines with respect to certain periods according to occurrences during these periods Avliich mark changes in that practice or experience. To gain a clear understanding of the rates and practices of C. F. A. carriers governing perishable commodities re¬ quiring refrigerator service, it is necessary to consider the development of the practice during the following periods : Prior to 1897—Refrigerator car service was inaug¬ urated and individual classifications were published. From 1897 to 1913—Rates were practically stationary and many practices and additional services were estab¬ lished without additional charge. From 1913 to June 1, 1917—Freight rates were in¬ creased 5 per cent. Carriers undertook to eliminate unremunerative rates and practices or place them on a more remunerative basis. Refrigeration charges were established on all carload and less than carload traffic by the carriers. From June 1, 1917 to June 25, 1918—Further increase in class rates were made. Effective June 25, 1918, to date, 25 per cent increase in all rates was made under General Order 28. (3298) 721 The subsequent pages of this exhibit give a detailed explanation of each of the above periods, which are sum¬ marized as follows : Prior to 1887—in the complaint of the National Poul¬ try, Butter S Egg Association v. B. S 0. 8. W. R. R., et al, (I. C. C. Docket No. 7969), the Interstate Com¬ merce Commission investigated the conditions of this period and rendered their decision in 51 I. C. C., 37-38, in which they found that during this period separate classifications were in effect in C. F. A. territory. Trunk Line territory. New England territory and from C. F. A. territory to Trunk Line territory. These separate classi¬ fications were in 1887 merged into Official Classification No. 1, covering these combined territories. The rates prior and subsequent to this consolidation are shown in tables on page 4 of this exhibit. In 1875 the rate for refrigerator car service given in connection with passen¬ ger train movement from Chicago to New York was re¬ duced from |2 to $1.50 per 100 pounds. At that time rates on fast freight lines without refrigeration for first three classes from Chicago to New York were $1.50, $1.10 and $ .85 respectively. In 1878 these were reduced to $1.20, $ .90 and $ .70 and in 1881 to $1, $ .85 and $ .70, and in 1887 when the Official Classification No. 1 was adopted the $.75 scale was established and remained in effect until increased in 1915 to $ .78. In 1917, the $ .90 scale was established and this in turn was increased by General Order 28 to $1.12^. The first attempt at refrigeration was made about 1867 by the Pennsylvania Lines by refitting thirty box cars with double sides, roofs and floors and packing the inter¬ stices with sawdust. Ice boxes were placed inside the doors after the cars were loaded. Later on ice box was suspended in each end of the car. Other railroads, private car conipaiiies and large shippers of perishables took up the idea and constructed cars. Gradually the t.ype improved and the tonnage increased, though slowly. In tiie early seventies only one ear a day from Chicago to New York was required by the New York Central and in 1884, nearly twenty years after the refrigeration serv¬ ice was established, only about 77 tons a day moved be¬ tween these points over the Pennsylvania Kailroad. In the early years the cost of the service was not great, and not called sharply to the attention of the carriers as an encroachment upon their revenue under the class rates, and later, as the traffic increased class rates were made to cover both line haul and refrigeration to stimu¬ late the use of the service. Page 5 of the exhibit, relating to the same period prior to 1887, shows ratings and class rates on the Pittsburgh, Cincinnati, Chicago & St. Louis Kailway, Local Freight Tariff No. 2 effective September 1, 1881, where higher ratings are specified on perishable commodities shipped at carrier's risk than those applying on the same com¬ modities shipped under owner's risk. This page also shows the class rate scale of the P. C. C. & St. L. E. R. for various representative mileages. At this point the witness called attention to the scale shown on page 11 of his Exhibit No. 1, so that a comparison might he had of the C. F. A. scale on September 20, 1917, shown in the right hand column of that page, with the scale in effect in 1881. From this comparison it will appear that at 200 miles first-class rate in 1881 (3299) was 50c, and in 1917, 4Gc. At 300 miles the first-class rate in 1881 was 60c and in 1917, 52c. At 400 miles the first-class rate in 1881 was GOc and in 1917, 57.5c. Pago 6 of the exhibit gives tlie details of the period from 1887 to 1913. The Official Classification and rates 723 conforming tliereto were established April 1, 1887. (8300) This classification contained a rule as follows with respect to icing: "Kailroad companies may furnish ice for prop- ert}^ of third or a higher class when loaded in re¬ frigerator or other cars. * » * Shippers must furnish ice, if used, for property lower than third class, carload. No freight will be charged on weight of ice so used." This rule was never changed from permissive to man¬ datory form, nor was it ever changed to include com¬ modities rated lower than third class. In Official Classi¬ fication No. 40, effective July 1, 1913, the icing rule was changed to read as follows: "Ice and salt when required for protection of property will not be furnished by railroad companies except as provided for in tariffs of individual car¬ riers." During this period many carriers published individual tariffs providing for the absorption of the refrigeration expense on traffic rated third class or higher. Some in¬ dividual lines added the refrigeration expense on all traffic as indicated by the Interstate Commerce Commis¬ sion decision in the National Poultry, Butter & Egg case (I. C. C. Docket No. 7969), reported 51 I. C. C., 38, read¬ ing in part as follows: (3301) "It is further said that throughout the period of tlie development of this dairy refrigerator car traffic there was no uniformity of practice among the car¬ riers regarding the inclusion of the service and cost of icing in the class rates. Certain illustrations are given and attention is invited to correspondence on the subject between the chairman of the Official Classification committee and certain of the carriers, two of which registered objections to the proposal to change from 'may' to 'will' the wording of the rule, referred to in the original report, regarding the obligations of the carriers to ice free of charge." 724 From C. F. A. territory to Trunk Line territory the rates Avere controlled by the Chicago-New York basis, which was 1 2 3 4 5 6 75 65 50 35 30 25 which remained in etïect the entire period and repre¬ sented substantial reductions in so far as eastbound rates were concerned. The rates in effect between Chi¬ cago and New York immediately prior to April 1, 1887, Avere : Spe- 1 23456789 10 11 12 13cial AA'estbound.. . .75 65 45 35 30 25 Eastbound...1.00 85 70 60 50 45 40 35 30 25 25 30 30 .. It Avill be noted from this page 6 of the exhibit that effective April 1, 1887, the westbound scale controlled the rates that Avere made at that time, and in that connection the Avitness read into the record the minutes of the meet¬ ing of 1887, where the 75c scale, Chicago to New York, Avas made. These are the minutes of a meeting of the joint executive committee of the railroads held in New York March 2, 3, and 4, 1887, the pertinent parts of which are as folloAvs; "The committee appointed by the joint committee at the meeting February 18th, to revise the different classifications being used in the eastern and middle and Avestern states, and, if possible, consolidate them would respectfully report as follows, viz.; At the first session of the committee it was decided that it would be necessary to use in the revision, and to consolidate if possible (3302) : The Official Classification of eastbound freight. The Official Classification of westbound freight. Middle and western states classification. Joint merchandise classification, middle states as¬ sociation, ])eing the four i)rincipal classifications in use within the prescribed territory. It Avas then decided, after careful deliberation, tliat before proceeding with the classification, it Avould be necessary to not only 725 fix the number of classes to be used, but also the rates that might be used or adopted after the classi- ficatious should be completed. To this end it was decided to adopt as a working basis the existing westbound rates, New York to Chicago, introducing an extra class between the present fourth and spe¬ cial. That is : 75, 60, 45, 35, 30 and 25 for the six classes. During the first session of your committee, it seemed as though it would be almost impossible to reconcile the ditferences existing between the east and the westbound classifications. An examination of the statistics showed that the first six classes of the thirteen comprised but six per cent of the east- bound tonnage; bearing this in mind, the task be¬ came easier as we neared the end. In revising and consolidating we have been led to adopt the theory that to all intents and purposes the first three classes might be termed fixed classes, and the three lower ones, rates that could be changed at any time. (3303) We have classified all articles under the six classes except cotton, live stock, c. 1. and dressed meats c. 1. This may require for some roads special tariffs be¬ tween certain points on certain crude articles such as pig iron, rough stone, land plaster, petroleum, etc., but as a rule the classification, as prepared, can be adopted and used, and it will be found beneficial to have every article named in a class to use between points where special tariffs are not necessary. At first, it was thought we would have to adopt special classes for staple articles such as grain pro¬ visions, lumber, etc., but on carefully considering the question it was decided best to place them in classes already provided so that local rates and classifica¬ tions could be fixed, and in cases where necessity re¬ quired a change on certain articles, could, by circu¬ lar, be taken from its class (as has been done in sev¬ eral instances in the past) and a special class or tariff provided." ((3304) "Thus we have given briefiy the principal fea¬ tures of the obstacles we have met in our labors, and how these difficulties have been bridged over, and as. 726 during the whole period in which we have been thus engaged, the question of rates which should govern the classification as proposed, has been constantly in mind, therefore having thoroughly and carefully considered the subject in all its bearings on the basis of rates between Chicago and New York in both di¬ rections, we respectfully present to the joint com¬ mittee the conclusion to which we have arrived; First. That, if the westbound rates from the sea¬ board to Chicago cannot be advanced, we do not think that necessarily the rates on the three upper classes, east and westbound, should be alike on ac¬ count of the inequalities in the movement of the dif¬ ferent classes of freight east and westbound. Second. The articles in the three lower classes practically representing both east and westbound business in average proportions, we suggest that they be uniform in both directions. AVe respectfully submit the following rates, or as near to them as possible, for your consideration, viz. : New York to Chicago, 75, 60, 45, 35, 30, 25. Chicago to New York, 85, 65, 50, 35, 30 and 25," That report was considered by the "General Com¬ mittee" and after a recess the report continued as follows : "The committee do not consider it advisable or practicable to establish as a principle that eastbound and westbound rates shall necessarily be the same, but recommends that, under the conditions now exist¬ ing, taking etfect April 1, 1887, and until thereafter changed, the rates be : New York to Chicago, 75, 65, 50, 35, 30 and 25. Chicago to New York, 75, 65, 50, 35, 30 and 25. The report of the committee was unanimously adopted, and the committee discharged Avith thanks." The AAutness called attention to two significant fea¬ tures of that report. 1st, that the eastbound movement of the six classes Avas but 6 per cent of the total east- bound tonnage, and 2nd, that the westbound rates al¬ most entirely controlled the eastbound rates. , Pages 7, 8, and 9 of Sprague Exhibit No. 1 were pre- 727 pared for the purpose of showing a comparison of class rates in C. F. A. territory from and to various repre¬ sentative points as between 1886 and 1900. Our only concern is Avith the first three classes because on the other three classes the refrigeration expenses were not absorbed by the carriers. All classes were included merely to round out the exhibit. The exhibit shows that in almost every instance there Avere reductions betAveen 1886 and 1900. In addition to these tables, the a\dtness referred to other reductions in class rates that have been made. In 1892, the first class rate to Ncav England, a large consuming territory of dairy products, was reduced from IGc to 7c, under the Commission's order in 5 I. C. 0., 155. In addition there Avere several reductions made in the general basis of rates to and from Illinois points, Avhich state produces a large amount of this traffic. "Witness referred also to cases involving class rates to and from Mississippi Eiver, to and from Eockford, Freeport, Aurora, Elgin, Springfield, etc., etc. (3307) Effective in the fall of 1903 tariffs were issued by C. F. A. Lines providing as follows: "An additional charge of five (5c) cents per 100 pounds Avill be made on less than carload shipments of cured meats and other articles taking less than third (3rd) class rating, as per Official Classifica¬ tion or exception thereto, Avhen loaded at shipper's reqnest in refrigerator cars, and when traffic of the character indicated is tendered railroad companies Avhich, in the judgment of the receiving clerks, re¬ quires refrigerator services the Avishes of the ship¬ per in the premises must be ascertained before re¬ ceipting for the property." This tariff shoAvs what aa'us in the minds of the people in those days. The receiving clerk could, under that rule, make a charge against some commodities and not against 728 others, because there was no rule to bind him one way or the other. The above quoted rule remained in effect until the latter part of 1907 when the Hepburn Law took effect and it was canceled. (3308) Page 10 of Sprague's Exhibit No. 1 gives detailed in¬ formation with respect to the period from 1913 to June 1, 1917. During the latter part of 1913 the carriers in Official Classification territory made application to the Interstate Commerce Commission for a 5 per cent in¬ crease in their rates. As a result of this application the Interstate Commerce Commission made a very extended investigation into the operation of the railroads as a Avhole, with the result that the carriers were permitted to increase their rates 5 per cent, and their attention was called to the existences of many practices apparently unremunerative. The Commission suggested that the carriers fully examine their rates, rules and regulations, specifically including refrigeration service, with a view to increasing rates and eliminating practices found to be unremunerative. In conformity with this suggestion carriers filed, ef¬ fective March 20, 1915, tariffs providing for the follow¬ ing charges on perishable traffic : Carloads—$2.50 per ton of ice furnished. Less-than-carloads—based upon a sliding scale AAffiich made the charge within C. F. A. territory 5c per 100 pounds, and from Chicago to New York 8c per 100 pounds. (3309) As it had only been the practice to absorb refrigera¬ tion expense on property third class and higher, except fruits and berries (and there are other exceptions now), and as berry traffic and dressed poultry were substan¬ tially the only traffic within this category the tariffs were attacked by the National Poultry, Butter and Egg Asso¬ ciation (I. C. C. Docket No. 7969), and as a result of the 729 hearing in that case the carriers were required to cancel these tariffs because they had not established the pro¬ priety of the rates which resulted in the increased charge. The less-carload rate within C. F. A. territory of 5c per 100 pounds and from Chicago to New York 8c per 100 ponnds was the rate per 100 pounds of freight, for the ice furnished and not 5c (and 8c) per 100 pounds of ice. Page 10 of the exhibit quotes a portion of the Inter¬ state Commerce Commission's finding as above indicated. (43 I. C. C., 392.) As a result of this decision the car¬ riers canceled their tariffs effective June 1, 1917. The case was reheard and the Commission reversed its for¬ mer finding in an opinion recorded in 51 I. C. C., 34, a syllabus of which decision reads in part as follows : "Upon rehearing class rates for the transporta¬ tion in Official Classification territory of dressed poultry, butter, eggs and cheese, in any quantity, found not to have been sufficiently high to include refrigeration during the period from March 20,1915, to June 1, 1917, when an extra charge for service was made. Finding in original report (43 I. C. C., 392), that the class rates plus the separate refrigera¬ tion charge for the combined services of line haul and refrigeration during the period mentioned had not been justified accordingly reversed, and claims for reparation in the amount of the icing charge on shipments that moved during that period denied." On page 45 of that decision the Commission said: "Doubtless the finding here reached would have been made in the original report had the carriers made upon the original hearing the presentation that they now make upon the rehearing. The previous finding, which was merely that the carriers had failed to meet the burden of proof which was upon them, stands upon the rehearing, subject to the reversal here suggested upon the required presentation now made of that proof." On page 11 of the exhibit is shown a comparison of 730 C. F. A. class-rate scale for representative' distance, prior to September 20, 1917. Also the Disque scale as fixed in 45 I. C. C., 1917. The zone A scale for the normal period, the second one shown. on that page (namely, the Disque scale) never became effective in C. F. A. territory because immediately after it was printed the 15 per cent increase was authorized and added to that scale. From Chicago to New York the rates were increased 15 per cent (3311), making the scale effective July 15, 1917, 90c, 79c, 60c, 42c, 36c and 30c. The signifi¬ cant feature of this information is that the hearing in the C. F. A. class-scale case Avas concluded some time before the separate refrigeration charges AA^ere canceled, effectAe June 1st. The AAutness participated in the C. F. A. class hearing and asserts this is a fact. The hearing in the Fifteen Per Cent Case Avas concluded about that date, and as the evidence in neither case related to the inclusion of a refrigerator serAuce in the class rates, it is evident that the class rates were prescribed indepen¬ dently of refrigerator service and do not include that ele¬ ment of expense. The information with respect to the Fifteen Per Cent Case is taken from the decision which is silent upon the question of refrigeration, and wit¬ ness, although not participating in that case, assumes it did not appear in the record. Page 12 of Sprague's Exhibit No. 1 deals AAÛth the pe¬ riod from June 25, 1918 (Avlien the 25 per cent increase made by General Order 28 became effective), and shows the reason given by the Director General for this increase as folloAvs : "* * * In order to defray the expense of Fed¬ eral Control and operation fairly chargeable to rail¬ way operating expenses, and also to pay railway tax accruals other than AAmr taxes, net rents for joint fa¬ cilities and equipment, and compensation to the car¬ riers, operating as a unit, it is necessary to increase the railway operating revenues." 731 As the increase was made for the specific pui'pose stated and makes no reference to the inclusion of the class rate of compensation for refrigeration service, the existing class rate structure stands in the same relation to the refrig¬ eration service as the class rate structure in effect prior to June 21,1918. (3312) At the bottom of page 12 of Sprague's Exhibit #1, there appears a paragraph showing that effective August 1, 1919, the rates on dressed poultry, butter, butterine, oleomargarine and eggs, in carloads, minimum weight 20,000 pounds, will be reduced to third class, in accord¬ ance with the decision of the Interstate Commerce Com¬ mission (I. C. C. Docket :j!+8469), in the case of Kansas Carlot Effff Shippers Association v. B. S 0. R. R., Di¬ rector General et al. (53 I. C. C., 59.) In connection with tlie transportation of these articles an additional charge for refrigeration will be assessed. Hearings in this case were held during the time that refrigeration charges were in effect. The witness had copies of P. C. C. & St. L. tariff providing for the charge for refrigeration on these dairy commodities, mentioned, and dressed poul- tiy, effective August 1st in carloads. The I. C. C. refer¬ ence to this tariff is Pennsylvania System I. C. C. No. P-1335. The roads working under Mr. Morris' exception sheet- established these charges in Supplement 29 to that e.xception sheet. The number is I. C. C. 736. (3313) Page 13 of the exhibits consists of a summary as fol¬ lows : "First. That the service of refrigerated cars was established to develop now traffic without regard to the freight charges, and was extended through the pressure of competition. Second. That during the greatest development of this service the freight rate level was steadily de¬ creasing. Third. That certain perishable commodities rated 732 third class and higher have been iced at the expense of the shipper. Fourth. That the adjustment of rates as between shippers is unequal because: (a) Certain perishable commodities moving un¬ der the same class rates are in one case given refrig¬ eration service at the expense of the shipper, and in another case at the expense of the railroad. (b) Many perishable commodities do not require protective service in the winter, and the same freight rate is assessed thereon as is assessed during the summer period when refrigeration service is re¬ quired. (c) Many perishable commodities do not require protective service in warm weather and the same freight rate is assessed thereon as is assessed during the winter period Avhen the protective service Is re¬ quired. Fifth. That the expense of refrigeration service to the railroads was not brought forcibly to their at¬ tention until the promulgation of the decision of the Commission in the five per cent case. Sixth. That the Commission itself decided on Au¬ gust 3, 1918, that the rates prior to June 1, 1917, were not high enough to include refrigeration and refused reparation on the shipments moving under separately established charges for refrigeration service, thereby recognizing this as an accessorial service not inclnded in the rate. That case is pend¬ ing on second rehearing. Seventh. That the question of refrigerated car service nowhere appears in the three separate issues Avhich brought about the two increases in class rates on September 20, 1917, and June 25, 1918, and there¬ fore if the service was not properly covered by the transportation charge on June 1, 1917, it is not com¬ pensated for in the present rates." In explanation of paragraph 7 above quoted it was stated that there were two increases on September 20, 1917, that is the Disque scale and tlie 15 per cent added to it. Page 14 of Sprague's Exhibit No. 1 shows a compari- 733 son of the freight earnings in C. F. A. territory for repre¬ sentative distances and from Chicago to New York on fifth-class articles loaded in box cars, as against fifth- class articles loaded in refrigerator ears. Witness modified the last portion of the exhibit on page 2, the last column under "present" where is shown that on traffic rated third class and higher, except fruits, etc., moving in scheduled car service, the carriers as¬ sume refrigeration expense. There should be an addi¬ tional exception of dressed poultry, butter, butterine, oleomargarine and eggs in carloads. This means that effective August 1st the carriers add the refrigeration expense to these articles in carloads. (3316-17) AVitness J. F. McAATlliams is special agent freight traffic department of Baltimore & Ohio Kailroad, western lines, and has been connected with the traffic department of that road for twenty-nine years. McWilliams' Exhibit No. 1 and No. 1-A cover 45 scheduled 1. c. 1. refrigerator cars on B. & 0. E. E. from Chicago to Washington, D. C., during 1918. (3908) He attempted to take one car a week for 52 weeks, but owing to embargoes existing part of the time there were only 45 cars moveJ on the days of the week selected. The details on the second page of the exhibit show the date of departure of each car, its numbers and initials, and the weight of its perishable freight contents, the quan¬ tity of ice supplied initially and at each re-icing station and these ice amounts are actual. (3909) The switch¬ ing figure of 78 cents is the actual cost to the B. & 0. E. E. for such service in 1918. These exhibits do not include any figures for supervision or bunker damage. (3911) The cost of rendering this service was $8.47 per car 734 greater than the refrigeration revenne proposed in this tariff. (3912) McAVilliams' Exhibits No. 2 and No. 2-A show 85 cars of 1. c. 1. perishable freight from Flora, 111., to New York in 1918 and the cost is figured on the 1919 ice costs, ex¬ cept Parkersburg, W. Va., where 1918 ice costs were used. (3912) This exhibit is made up in the same man¬ ner as witness' Exhibit No. 1 and shows that the pro¬ posed refrigeration revenue would average $8.57 per car greater than the cost shown in this exhibit. (3913) No bunker damage or supervision was included. McWilliams' Exhibits No. 3 and No. 3-A cover 36 cars of 1. c. 1. perishable freight from Washington-Seymour, Ind., to New York in 1918, based upon 1919 ice costs except at Parkers¬ burg, W. Va., where 1918 ice costs were used. (3914) It shows that the cost of rendering this service was $31.20 greater than the proposed tariff charge. (3915) This tonnage is representative. These south Indiana shipping points are close to the Ohio River and these cars are re- iced at three regular re-icing stations. (3916) McWilliams' Exhibits No. 4 and No. 4-A are similar exhibits covering 47 cars on B. & 0. Railroad from Chi¬ cago to Buffalo in 1918 and shows that the cost of ren¬ dering the refrigerator service of $3.23 more than the proposed tariff charge. (3917) The cost of ice in Chicago is $4 per ton f. o. b. B. & 0. tracks but that does not represent the cost of ice in the bunkers of the cars. (3917) The ice has to be switched from 12th street and the river to the icing platform and then placed in the bunkers. (3919) Witness II. C. Oliver is special agent of the traffic de¬ partment of the Pennsylvania Railroad Lines west and 735 for past eight years in traffic and Interstate Commerce Commission matters. (3811) Oliver's Exhibit No. 1 consisting of four pages covers 216 consolidated cars of 1. c. 1. perishable freight moving from Polk Street Station, Chicago, to eastern destina¬ tions from November, 1914, to July, 1915, inclusive. (3816) These cars were taken from exhibit in the National Poultry, Butter and Egg case (I. C. C. Docket 7969) and 1919 cost figures were applied. The ice costs were taken from Brooke's exhibit in this case and the switching costs were taken from Coverston's exhibit in this case. The total cost on these cars exclusive of bunker damage or su¬ pervision is 37.17 cents per hundred pounds of freight. The proposed 1. c. 1. refrigeration rate for this move¬ ment is 20 cents per hundred pounds. Therefore, the cost, as above shown, is 17.07 cents per hundred pounds more than the proposed rate. (3817-18) The last three pages of this exhibit give the details of the actual performance upon which the figures of the first page are based. (3818) This exhibit does not re¬ flect freight earnings but only the cost of refrigerator service and the refrigeration revenue that Avould accrue under proposed tariff. (3819) Oliver's Exhibit No. 2 is similar to his Exhibit No. 1 and covers the total movement of consolidated refrig¬ erator cars of 1. c. 1. perishable freight from Chicago east¬ ward for the week of July 10 to July 16, 1919. This ex¬ hibit is compiled on the same plan of cost figures as Oliver's Exhibit No. 1 (3819), and shows an average cost exclusive of l)unker damage and supervision of 30.09 cents per hundred pounds, as against the proposed charge of 20 cents per cwt. or less according to distance of move¬ ment. This exhibit shows that the cost of furnlshina- ice 736 alone is 27.09 cents per . hundred pounds of freight. (3820) The necessity for getting the data for this exhibit quickly made it impossible to cover a more recent period, therefore, the week of July 10th to 16th was taken. Oliver's Exhibit No. 3 is similar and compiled in the same manner and with the same cost figures as his Ex¬ hibit No. 1, and shows 45 scheduled refrigerator cars moving over Michigan Central Kailroad from Chicago to Rochester at the rate of one car per week for 1918. A certain day each week was selected and it happened that only 45 of those days of the year refrigerator cars ran. (3821-22.) The proposed tariff rate for the cars covered in this exhibit would be 18^ cents per hundred pounds or $14.08 per car less than the cost shown on this exhibit. (3822) An assumed switching cost of 35 cents for each icing is included. (3823) Oliver's Exhibit No. 4 is prepared in the same manner and with the same cost figures as his Exhibit No. 1 and shows 42 scheduled refrigerator cars on Michigan Cen¬ tral Railroad from Chicago to Boston during 1918 and shows a cost per car, exclusive of bunker repairs and su¬ pervision, of $6.28 in excess of the refrigerator revenue that Avould be derived by applying to that traffic the pro¬ posed refrigerator charge. (3824) Oliver's Exhibit No. 5 is a statement compiled in the same manner and with the same costs as his Exhibit No. 1 and shows 29 scheduled refrigerator cars moving over the Erie Railroad from Chicago to Ilornell in 1918. The cost of $37.62 per car, exclusive of bunker damage and supervision, as therein shown is $1.46 in excess of the refrigeration revenue that would be derived from these 737 cars if the proposed refrigeration rate had been applied. (3824) An error was made in Oliver's Exhibit No. 5 by using the |5 per ton cost of ice at Huntington, Ind., instead of the $3.94 per ton price at Marion, Ohio. Therefore, there Avould only be an excess cost of 46 cents per car in the cost of rendering the service over the refrigeration rev¬ enue under the proposed taritf. Oliver's Exhibit No. 6 is a statement compiled in the same manner and with the same cost figures as his Ex¬ hibit No. 1 and shows 48 cars from Hannibal, Missouri, to Detroit on the Wabash Eailroad in 1918, exclusive of bunker damage or supervision. The cost of furnishing this refrigeration service was $19.84 less than the refrig¬ eration revenue that would have been derived from this traffic if the proposed refrigeration tariff rate had been applied. (3828) Oliver's Exhibit No. 8 is prepared in a similar manner and on the same cost figures as his Exhibit No. 1 and shows the movement from Chicago to Detroit on the Wa¬ bash Eailroad. These figures show that exclusive of bunker damage and supervision, this refrigeration service costs 8 cents per car more than the refrigeration revenue under the proposed tariff. Oliver's Exhibit Nos. 1 and 2 do not represent all of the dairy movements. There is a large movement in pick¬ up cars moving into consolidation points. The cost of pick-up car movements would be higher than the cost shown in these exhibits. Most of this 1. c. 1. refrigerator car service consists of dairy freight and not much of sea¬ sonal fruits, vegetables, etc. (3848) Witness C. E. Coopek testified that he is manager of the New York Dispatch Eefrigerator Line and has held such position since 1902. 738 Cooper Exhibit No. 3 covers scheduled refrigerator cars 1. c. 1. freight one car each week for the year 1917 from Chicago to New York and shows the actual amount of icing (2798) for each car. The present price of ice at Chicago is $7 per ton and the tariff rate in effect is $4 per ton at other icing sta¬ tions, as shown in the exhibit. This exhibit includes all cars whether they were simply initially iced with no transit re-icing or whether they were initially iced and re- iced. The average cost per car for icing was $25.60. These cars contained an average of 24,009 lbs. of perishable freight per car. The exhibit includes no figures for bunker damage, supervision, or ice hanlage. (2799) Witness had no way of getting data on these subjects so he did not include them. The proposed tariff rate on this service wonld be 20c per 100 lbs. of freight. (2800) Cooper's Exhibit No. 40 covers the movement of twelve scheduled refrigerator cars from Chicago to Buffalo based on the 1917 movement and the cost of ice at $7 per ton at Chicago and $4 beyond. The cost of icing these cars was $19.33 per car and the average perishable con¬ tents was 19,564 lbs. per car. (2800) The proposed tariff rate on these shipments Avould be lO-J cents per 100 lbs. Coopers' Exhibit No. 5 covers 52 scheduled refriger¬ ator cars one each week for the year and carrying only perishable freight from Chicago to Boston, showing the average cost of ice per car to be $22.94 and the average perishable tonnage to be 22,667 lbs. per car. The pro¬ posed tariff rate covering this movement would be 21^c per 100 lbs. (2801) Cooper's Exhibits Nos. 3, 4 and 5 relate to regular scheduled movements and shows the actual amount of ice 739 delivered to these ears. Witness is paying $8 per ton this year at Chicago. (2803) For the cars in question chunk ice was used. The hunk¬ ers of these cars will hold approximately two tons each (or four tons to the car) of chunk ice. It is the practice to put in tons in each bunker. (2806) On perish¬ able shipments out of Chicago witness initially ices the cars at the freight house and they are not re-iced before they leave Chicago. (2806-07) If the cars are not shipped the day they are set for loading they are iced again the next day and this may account for the fact that car No. 1183 moving on August 17th (as shown in Ex¬ hibit 5) had 9,000 lbs. of ice. Usually the cars go out the same day they are loaded. (2807) To the cost of $22.94, which was the average for the cars in Coopers' Exhibit No. 5, there should be added ice haulage $3.84, $5 for bunker damage and $4 for super¬ vision (2808-09) ; also 35c per switch for switching, mak¬ ing a total of $1.75 for switching. Including these items the average cost of refrigeration for the cars in Exhibit No. 5 would be $47.53. (2810) Witness' cars sometimes carry as low as 8,000 lbs. of perishables but the average loading is eleven or twelve tons. (2817) For the years 1916-17 the average loading was eleven tons and witness' exhibits were figured on a basis of 24,000 lbs. loading which is in'favor of the ship¬ per. (2818) A number of witness' cars were re-iced at Hoboken which is the eastern terminal of the line. This destina¬ tion re-icing is done at the car line's expense and because the consignee wants to hold the car a few days until the market gets better. (2821) Under the present demur¬ rage rules the consignee is entitled to 48 hours for un¬ loading. (2822) These cars move direct from Chicago to New York without being opened. (2827) 740 Witness' cars move, principally between Chicago and New York, an average of abont twelve trips per year in¬ cluding the empty return movements. (2834) New York to Chicago cars are re-iced thrice in transit, namely, at Port Huron, East Buffalo and Gouldsboro. In winter the cars run through without re-icing (2837), as shown by Cooper's Exhibit 3. (2838) The fact that the Boston cars used only $22.94 worth of ice as against $25.60 for the New York cars, is due to the route by which the Boston cars travel, namely, by Grand Trunk through Canada via Montreal, over which they do not require as much ice as when they travel further south. (2839-40) Witness expressed the opinion that there is no differ¬ ence between cost of refrigeration between a consoli¬ dated car and a straight carload. Witness G. W. Geben, who is chief clerk of the New York Kefrigerator Dispatch, made up the figures of Cooper's Exhibit No. 3. The car selected for that exhibit was a representative car for each day each week and the cars selected represent a fair actual average of the 52 cars shown on Cooper's Exhibit No. 3. Fifteen of them were re-iced in Hoboken, which is the rail terminus of the trip. (2845) The average percentage of New York to Chicago cars re-iced at Hoboken is 14.23 per cent. (2923) Witness K'. R. Blydenbuegh, assistant general freight agent of the Pennsylvania Railroad, testified that there are some shiinnents of 1. c. 1. perishables on the Pennsylvania Railroad. Its tariff provides in all cases where 1. c. 1. shipments require re¬ frigeration and where there is a regular estab¬ lished movement, there will he a charge per hun¬ dred pound for tlie ice furnished, based on the rate. 741 There is one exception to that, which is an iced car from AValnut street Avharf, Philadelphia, to seashore points such as Atlantic City, AVildwood, Cape May and Ocean City. This seashore traffic operates only in the summer¬ time and largely for the hotel business. This practice has been in existence since June 28, 1912. In order to avoid repetition of testimony, reference is hereby made, for further discussion of this subject in so far as AVestern Classification territory. Southern Classifi¬ cation territory and for parts of the Official Classification territory, namely, Eastern Trunk Line and New England territories, to the traffic testimony set forth in that part of this brief which discusses "Rule 25" and analogous rules. The foregoing testimony shows in a manner that we think is conclusive that so far as the facts are concerned, the expense of 1. c. 1. refrigeration has never been contemplated nor considered in fixing the rate or ratings on perishable commodities in any of the classification ter¬ ritories and that wherever the cost of this service has been absorbed by the carrier, it has been accomplished by exceptions to the rules of the respective classifica¬ tions and has been rendered under conditions arising from competition or a desire to stimulate traffic in the commodities involved, and without adequate (and, in most cases, any) compensation therefor. AVe submit further that in addition to what has been said in the discussion of Rule 25 elsewhere in the brief, the foregoing facts with respect to 1. c. 1. traffic amply justify Rule 25 of the tariff which applies generally to all kinds of traffic covered by the tariff and particularly paragraph "B" of Rule 600 which applies specifically to this class of traffic . 742 Questions of Laiv. Refrigeration Charges Should Be Separately Stated. An anomalous situation is created by the ruling of the Commission excluding the Coverston Exhibits 1 to 7 in¬ clusive and the testimony relating thereto and at the same time permitting the shippers to put in evidence in support of the renewed contention that the existing rat¬ ings and rates do include compensation for refrigeration. How these two propositions are to be reconciled, we are unable to see. The Coverston Exhibits 1 to 7, inclusive, and supporting testimony were precisely the same character of exhibits and testimony upon which the Commission made its sec¬ ond decision in the case of National Poultry, Butter and Egg Assn. v. B. ê D. S. W. (511. C. C., 34) (I. C. C. No. 7969) and are specifically referred to on page 47 of the decision as the basis for that decision and those exhibits are set out completely in appendices four and five of the second decision. The precise reason why such exhibits were offered in the present case is becaiise case number 7969 was first decided against the carriers on account of the absence of just such evidence and the second decision favorable to the carriers, was, as we have said,,based largely, if not solely, upon this precise character of evidence. Moreover, in the second decision, the Commission said (at the bottom of page 45) : "It is proper to observe that in their presentation of the case initially, the defendants proceeded upon the mistaken assumption that practically the only question involved was the reasonableness per se of the added charges for the refrigeration service, sepa¬ rately considered, whereas the Commission stated in its report, that the seymrate and additional imposi- 743 tion of the charges for refrigeration service was tantamount to an increase in the line-haul rates." While carriers believed at the first hearing of Case No. 7969 (43 I. C. C., 392), and Ave believed at the outset of this case, and still believe that, under the law, and the decisions hereinafter referred to, a refrigeration charge must be separately stated in appropriate tariffs and col¬ lected separately from and independent of the haulage charge, and can only be considered by the Commission separately and on its own merits, nevertheless, in defer¬ ence to the Commission's different views, we did not want to repeat in this case the omission which proved fatal to the first hearing in the 7969 case. If the Commission ad¬ heres to the ruling which excludes the Coverston exhibits and testimony relating thereto, on the clear and sole ground that only the proposed refrigeration charge per se is involved in this proceeding, we find ourselves in entire accord Avith that vieAv. But in that event we submit that the same ruling should apply to the shippers' exhibits and testimony of the same nature. But, if upon further reflec¬ tion, the Commission concludes that the Coverston ex¬ hibits and the testimony relating thereto should not have been excluded, Ave are content to rely upon those and other testimony and exhibits in the record as presented on behalf of the Administration in this case, to support our insistent contention that the haulage rates and ratings never did contemplate the inclusion of the ex¬ pense of refrigeration and are not uoav sufficient to in¬ clude it. We respectfully submit that the view expressed by the Commission in the tAvo decisions in National Poultry, Butter and Egg Assn. Case (43 I. C. C., 392, and 511. C. C., 34), "that the separate charge and additional impo¬ sition of charges for refrigeration service Avas tanta- 744 mount to an increase in tlie line-haul rate" is legally erroneous. Section 6 of the Act to Eegulate Commerce provides "that every common carrier subject to the provisions of this act shall file with the Commission created by this act and print and keep open to public inspection schedules showing all the rates, fares and charges for transporta¬ tion between different points on its own route and points on the route of any other carrier by railroad * * * when a through route and joint rate have been estab¬ lished. * * * The schedules printed as aforesaid by any such common carrier shall plainly state the places between which property and passengers will be carried, * * * and shall also state separately all terminal charges, storage charges, icing charges, * * * and all privileges or facilities granted or allowed and any rules or regulations which in any wise change, affect or deter¬ mine any part or the aggregate of such aforesaid rates, fares, or charges, or the value of the service rendered to the passenger, shipper or consignee." "No carrier, unless otherwise provided by this act, shall engage in or participate in the transportation of passengers or property as defined in this act, unless the rates, fares, and charges upon tvhich the same are trans¬ ported by said carrier have been filed and published in accordance with the provisions of this act, nor shall any carrier charge or demand or collect or receive a greater or less or different charge for such transportation of passengers or property or for any service in connection therewith, between the points named in such tariffs than the rates, fares, and charges so specified." * * * Section 1 defines the term transportation to "include cars and other vehicles and all instrumentalities and fa¬ cilities of shipment or cari'iage * * * and all services 745 ill coiiiiectioii witli the * * * ventilation, refrigeration or icing *■ * * of property transported." * * * This means, as we understand it, that no charge for "ventilation, refrigeration, or icing" can be lawfully made or collected by the carriers unless they state sepa¬ rately such charges in the tariffs. The commission so held in Re Refrigeration Charges on Kansas City South¬ ern Rij., I. & S., 210, 26 I. C. C., 617, at page 620. The corollary of this proposition is that if such services are rendered they are rendered without compensation. I. C. G. V. SticTcneu, 215 IT. S., 98,105. At least so far as 1. c. 1. shipments, and particularly dairy freight, is concerned in Officiai Classification terri¬ tory, practically none of the carriers have tariffs on file, stating a separate charge for refrigeration. In fact in Platts V. N. Y. N. II. é H. R. R. Co., 43 I. C. C., 504, 508, the Commission found that it was "not the general prac¬ tice of the carriers in Trunk Line territory to provide an established refrigeration service for the transportation of any commodities in less carload quantities nor has it been their custom to absorb the cost of refrigeration com¬ modities other than oysters." To treat a refrigeration charge as an increase in the line-haul rate as was done in the National Poultry, But¬ ter and Egg case is to presume a violation of the laAV requiring a "separately" stated charge for this service. The violation of law is never presumed. In the case of Interstate Commerce Commission v. Stichney] 215 U. S., 98, the Supreme Court had up for review the Commission's order requiring a receiver of the Chicago Great Western Eailroad Company to cease and desist from exacting a switching charge of $2 per car for delivery of live stock at the Union Stock Yards 746 of Cliioago and ordering that railroad, in lieu thereof, to establish a switching charge of |1. Mr. Justice Brewer in expressing the opinion of the court quotes the pertinent portion of Section 6 of the Act to Eegulate Commerce as above referred to and refers to Section 15 of that act authorizing and requir¬ ing the Commission on complaint to inquire and deter¬ mine what Avould be just and reasonable rates or charges. The opinion on page 105 reads in part as folloAvs : "This, of course, includes all charges, and the carrier is entitled to have a finding that any par¬ ticular charge is unreasonable and unjust before it is required to change such charge. For services that it may render or procure to he rendered off its own line, or outside the mere matter of transporta¬ tion over its line, it may charge and receive com¬ pensation. Southern Railway Co. v. St. Louis Hay Co., 214 IT. S. 297. If the terminal charge be in and of itself just and reasonable it cannot be con¬ demned or the carrier required to change it on the ground that it, taken with prior charges of trans¬ portation over the lines of the carrier or of con¬ necting carriers, makes the total charge to the ship¬ per unreasonable. That which must be corrected and condemned is not the just and reasonable term¬ inal charge, hut those prior charges which must of themselves be unreasonable in order to make the aggregate of the charge from the point of ship¬ ment to that of delwery unreasonable and unjust. In order to avail itself of the benefit of this rule the carrier must separately state its terminal or other special charge complained of, for if many matters are lumped in a single charge it is impos¬ sible for either shipper or Commission to determine how much of the lump charge is for the terminal or special services. The carrier is under no obliga¬ tions to charge for terminal service. Business in¬ terests may justify it in waiving any such charge, and it will be considered to have waived it unless it makes plain to both shipper and Commission that it is insisting upon it." 747 Other decisions of similar import are: Norfolk é Western R. R. Co. v. Conley, Atty. General, 236 U. S., 605. Northern Pacific R. v. N. I)., 236 XJ. S., 585. AVe therefore submit that it was a legal error for the Commission to. hold in the second decision of Case No. 7969 "that the separate and additional imposition for the refrigeration service was tantamount to an increase in the line-haul rates." The Commission has recognized and sustained a sep¬ arate charge for special or accessorial service in the following, among other, cases : Alfred Oivne Davies v. L. dc N. R. R. Co., 18 I. C. C., 540 (for loading, furnishing material and placing in cars—dunnage). Re Refrigeration Charges on Kansas City Southern Ry., 26 I. C. C., 617—separate re¬ frigeration charge on fruits, vegetables and berries. Refrigeration Charges on Fruits and Vegetables from Colorado, 29 I. C. C., 653. R. R. Com. of Cal. v. Alabama Great Southern R. R. Co., 32 I. C. C., 17—separate refrigera¬ tion charge, including ice, haulage, switching, etc. Arlington Heights Case, 19 I. C. C., 148, and 20 I. C. C., 106—separate refrigeration charge, including ice haulage, bunker damage, etc. Refrigeration Rates from New Orleans, etc., I. & S. 369, 31 I. C. C., 637. Gamble Robinson Commission Co. v. Arcadia & Retsey River R. R. Co., 30 I. C. C., 324. Rental Charges for Insulated Cars, I. & S. 360, 31 I. C. C., 255. 748 Rules Governing the Transportation of Pota¬ toes in Refrigerator Equipment, I. & S. 530, 34 I. C. C., 255—refrigerator car rental charge. Northern Pac. Fruit Distributors v. N. P. Ry. Co., 40 I. C. C., 191—refrigerator car rental charge. Hale Halsell Groc. Co. v. ilf. K. S T. Ry. Co., 42 I. C. C., 491—refrigerator car rental charge aihrmed on rehearing, 45 I. C. C., 523. Charles Platts v. Neto Y orle, N. H. & H. R. R. Co., 43 I. C. C., 504—separate refrigeration charge on c. 1. and 1. c. 1. oysters. Hill V. N., G. & St. L. Ry., 44 I. C. C., 582—sep¬ arate initial icing charge from certain points. Re Private Cars, 50 I. C. C., 562—separate re¬ frigeration charges, including cost of ice and salt, labor, investment in icing plants, etc., and reasonable profit. Irrespective of the view of the Commission "that a separate and additional charge for refrigeration is tan¬ tamount to an increase in the line-haul rates," the state of the law, in so far as the commodities and territories involved in Case No. 7969 are concerned, and in so far as the decisions of the Commission are concerned, is as follows : In the first opinion (43 I. C. C., 392) the Commission merely found "that the charges for carriage to which are added the stated refrigeration charge have not been shown of record to be just and reasonable and must therefore be canceled." The decision did not say that the proposed refrigera¬ tion charges per se were unreasonable nor did it say that the aggregate of the proposed refrigeration charge 749 and the haulage charge was unreasonable—it was based solely upon insufficiency of proof as to reasonableness of the aggregate charge. It decided nothing else. Hence the situation remained precisely the same as before the charges were put in. On the second hearing of the case, which involved primarily the question of reparation, but Avhich was extended to include a rehearing of the entire case, the Commission reversed its former conclusions and spe¬ cifically found that the haulage rates did not include compensation for refrigeration. This finding is predi¬ cated upon the fact that at the second hearing the car¬ riers did sustain what the Commission said was their burden of proof to this effect, and the Commission frankly said (on page 45 of the decision) : "Doubtless the finding herein reached would have been made in the original report had the carriers made upon the original hearing the presentation that they now make upon the rehearing." After the issuance of the first decision the freight rates in C. F. A. territory wmre increased in the G. F. A. Class Scale Case (45 I. C. C., 254) and also generally by the Fifteen Per Cent Case (45 I. C. C., 303), and the Commission took cognizance of two increases in its second decision and said (on page 47, of the second de¬ cision), "These comparisons (of the rates, as advanced by those two cases, with the cost figures proven by the carriers in the second hearing) indicate that the rates paid by the complainants in Central Freight Associa¬ tion territory were not excessive" for the haulage charge alone. The case presented by the carriers covered the com¬ modities involved throughout the entire Official Class¬ ification territory (except in New England, where sep¬ arate less-than-carload refrigeration charges of long 750 standing, and those on the lines of other carriers, not parties to the proceedings, had never been disturbed) and the second decision of the Commission was coexten¬ sive. Therefore the second decision spoke as of June 1, 1917. The hearing in the Central Freight Association Class Scale case was concluded sometime before the separate refrigeration charges were canceled, effective June 1, 3 917. The hearing in the Fifteen Per Cent Case was con¬ cluded about that date and as the evidence in neither case related to the inclusion of refrigeration service in the class rates, it is very evident that the class rates were prescribed independently of refrigeration service and do not include that element of expense. There is no doubt that if the carriers had been still under private control and operation at the time the second decision was rendered they would have republished a separate refrigeration charge and that, in such a case, the Commission would have approved it, if reasonable. The fact that the National Poultry, Butter and Egg Case is still before the Commission on petition of the complainants for another rehearing does not in any way affect this state of the law unless and until the second decision is reversed. It is not contended by anyone that the published less than carload rates and ratings applicable to other part of the country are out of line with such rates and ratings in effect in Officiai Classification territory (with the in¬ creases of General Order 28 applied to both), and until such rates and ratings are called into question they must be assumed to be reasonable. It is therefore reasonable to assume that the rates and ratings in other parts of the country are just and reasonable charges for haulage alone. 751 The purpose of and the necessity for the so-called twenty-five per cent increase in rates made by Director General's General Order 28 is clearly, conclusively and exclusively stated in the following language of the or¬ der: "In order to defray the expense of Federal con¬ trol and operation fairly chargeable to railway operating expenses, and also to pay railway tax ac¬ cruals other than war taxes, net rents for joint facil¬ ities and equipment, and compensation to the car¬ riers, operating as a unit, it is necessary to increase the railway operating revenues." The increase was made for the definite and unmistak¬ able purpose above quoted, and makes no reference to the inclusion of refrigeration. Moreover, the increase of General Order 28 applied to all commodities whether or not they moved under refrigeration—on pig iron as well as dressed poultry—without regard to character, condition or classification. We submit, therefore, that at the present time the transportation charges cannot, and do not include com¬ pensation for refrigeration. It is admitted that except in cases where the carriers have published stated charges for transportation of 1. c. 1. perishable freight under refrigeration, the car¬ riers receive no compensation for the transportation of 1. c. 1. perishables under refrigeration, except the reg¬ ular tariff haulage charge. If, as we think is evident from the testimony, that charge is only, if quite, suf¬ ficient to pay for the cost of mere haulage, it follows that the carriers receive no compensation whatever for the refrigeration service. During the hearing there was considerable discussion of the term "included" as to whether the haulage rate in¬ cluded compensation for refrigeration. In the sense that the carrier receives no other compensation for re- 752 frigeration service, the haulage charge might he said to include such compensation, but in dollars and cents it does not include it and in a legal sense it does not and cannot legally do so. If the haulage rate is greater than a just and reason¬ able charge for haulage alone, then that rate is unjust and unreasonable, not only because it is excessive per se, but also because it is discriminatory in that it is collected on commodities that never require or use refrigeration and on perishable commodities whether under refrigeration or not ; and, fnrther to the extent that any compensation for refrigeration service is included in the haulage charge, it is to that extent nnlawful because it is charged and collected without the publication of any tariff to cover. Hence in that event the Act to Regulate Commerce is doubly violated. Thus, this contention of the shippers becomes a reductio ad absurdum as well as an assump¬ tion legally impossible. In Kansas Car Lot Egg Shippers' Association v. B. é 0. (53 I. C. C., 59, April 7,1919), the Commission directed the carriers on or before August 1, 1919, to put in car¬ load rates, not in excess of contemporaneons third-class rates between the game points, on bntter, butterine, oleo¬ margarine, dressed poultry, and eggs with a minimum of 20,000 lbs. in Official Classification, both as to traffic hav¬ ing origin and destination in, that territory and on ship¬ ments to points therein from Western Trunk Line or Southern Classification territories. Pursuant to this order, the carriers filed tariffs or supplements to current tariffs to establish the carload rating as directed, effective August 1, 1919, and in that connection the carriers also amended, effective Augnst 1, 1919, their current tariffs to provide that on such car¬ load shipments the cost of all icing and re-icing would 753 be paid by the shippers, in addition to the haulage charges. At page 50 of the second decision in Case. No. 7969 (51 I. C. C., 34) the Commission said: "If, as the outcome of that case (Kansas Carlot Egg Case), such a carload rate on dairy products should be established, the question might independ¬ ently arise whether upon less-than-carload traffic separate, additional charges for refrigeration service should be assessed." Now that the Kansas Car Lot Case has been decided and the carload rate ordered in, is it not discrimination to charge the carload shipper for refrigeration service and give it to the 1. c. 1. shipper without charge? CONCLiUSIOlsr AS TO SECTION" SIX. We, therefore, submit tiiat it is necessary and proper that a system of stated charges for the refrigeration of 1. c. 1. perishable freight, as proposed in. Section 6 of this tariff, should be adopted, and we further submit that the cost of rendering this service as shown by the testimony set forth under this subject amply justifies the measure of the charges proposed under Section 6 of this tariff. Tables 118 to 126 inclusive (on pages 592 to 618) of Section 6 of this tariff cover proposed 1. c. 1. Heater Service and would naturally be discussed here except for the fact that the character, conditions and cost of that ' I » service are so inseparably connected with the carload heater service covered by Section 5 of the tariff, that their discussion here would amount to a voluminous and unnecessary repetition. For considerations of conven¬ ience, therefore, the 1. c. 1. heater service above men¬ tioned will be discussed in this brief at the close oí the 754 discussion of the carload heater service covered by Sec¬ tion 5. FOURTH SECTION DEPARTURES. In the formulation of the Proposed Perishable Pro¬ tective Tariff No. 1 it appears that certain Fourth Sec¬ tion violations have occurred. The reasons why these violations were necessary and why they are justified are fully set forth in the following testimony of the witness C. E. Bell, assistant to the director, Division of Traffic, United States Eailroad Administration: I desire to call to the attention of the Commis¬ sion the necessities of granting relief from the long and short-haul provision of the Fourth Section of the act in connection with refrigerator and heater- car charges shoAvn in the proposed tariff, especially the stated refrigeration charge. The matter of this relief should he considered un- • der two heads; one, where the charges from inter¬ mediate points exceed the charges from the further distant points; two, where longer routes undertake to meet the charges in effect via the direct routes. (Tr., 9405.) The basic principle of the charges shown in per¬ ishable protective tariff No. 1 is cost of service. Charges for refrigeration are not and cannot prop¬ erly be made on a distance basis, and such charges, therefore, differ materially in principle from freight rates, in that distance is largely controlling in all freight rate adjustments that are not predicated on unusual circumstances and conditions, that warrant relief from the long and short haul provision; for example, rates made because of water competition. In establishing refrigerator charges on the cost of service basis, as has been testified to in this proceed¬ ing, the factors entering into the cost of service are ice costs, ice haulage, repairs to refrigeration de¬ vices, supervision, switching to and from ice plants, profit and hazard. As the record discloses, in arriving at the proposed 755 stated charges in perishable protective tariff No. 1, uniform figures have been used covering the items of supervision and of repairs to refrigerating de¬ vices. A uniform figure has also been used in ar¬ riving at cost of switching to and from ice plants, and the total of this item varies only as the number of switches are involved. Figures for ice haulage nniformlv decrease as the distance decreases. (Tr., 9406.) This leaves the figure of ice cost as the only vary¬ ing factor, and this cost must necessarily vary ac¬ cording to the cost of ice per ton in different locali¬ ties and different sections. The amount of ice used in different sections will also vary, due to the difference in climatic condi¬ tions and shipping seasons, and will result in a dif¬ ference in the amount of ice necessary to properly refrigerate a car of the same kind of freight orig¬ inating in different sections. I will give one illustration of this situation, com¬ paring the shipment of melons from the Moapa dis¬ trict of Nevada with the Turlock section of Califor¬ nia, Moapa being directly intermediate to Turlock on the direct line of the Salt Lake route. Mr. Dearborn's exhibits disclose that on Moapa melons the average ice consumption per car is 36,986 pounds, and from the Turlock district 31,387 pounds ; and as has been testified to, the Moapa sec¬ tion is much hotter than the Turlock section, the ice meltage being much greater. (Tr., 9407.) There is not only a greater cost per ton of ice covering the traffic from the Moapa district, but the ice meltage until the melons are sufficiently cooled carried to destination is much greater than from Turlock. Moapa melons are initially iced at Las Vegas, where the ice cost is |5.01 per ton. Turlock melons are initially iced at Modesto or Fresno, the cost at Modesto being $3.14 a ton, and at Fresno $3.37. Moapa melons are first re-iced at Moapa, where the ice cost is $9.70 per ton, and the Turlock melons are first re-iced at Eoseville, where the cost is $2.64 per ton. The second re-icing of the Moapa melons is at 756 Milford, whei'e the cost is $8.61 per ton. The Tur- lock melons are re-iced the second time at Truckee, where the cost is $1.11 per ton. Mr. Dearborn's exhibits disclose that the aver¬ age initial icing at Moapa, 10,900 pounds, cost $29.12. Turlock melons, 10,900 pounds, average cost per car $16.94. The first re-icing of Moapa melons take 8,500 ])ounds of ice, at a cost of $44.57. whereas Truckee's first re-icing is 4,732 pounds at a cost of $7.41. The second re-icing of the Moapa melons at Mil- ford is 3,600 pounds, at a cost of $15.31. The second re-icing of the Turlock melons is at Eoseville, 2,800 pounds of ice at a cost of $3.73. (Tr., 9408.) Taking the initial ice and the first and second icings of the ]\Ioapa melons as compared with Tur¬ lock, the cost on the Moapa traffic is $79 per car, and on the Turlock business $28.08 per car, there being a difference of $50.92 in the ice cost, for the initial, first and second re-icings. The difference in the rates as proposed is $25 per car to Illinois, for example, the Moapa rate being $120 per car and the Turlock rate $95 per car. Manifestly, in instances of this kind the carriers cannot be expected to refrigerate Moapa Valley traf¬ fic at the same charge as applies from the Turlock section. It would mean a serious out of pocket cost. On the other hand, it is hardly to be expected that the Turlock charges should be made on the basis of the Moapa Valley cost. To do so would deprive the Turlock shippers of the natural advantage accruing to them, and yield to the carriers an excess over the cost of the service on the Turlock traffic. (Tr., 9409.) There are not a great many situations where the charges from intermediate points exceed the charges from the further distant points ; I mean on the direct route ; but in all such cases relief should be granted from the operation of the long and short haul pro¬ vision of the Fourth Section. (Tr., 9409.) If desired, Mr. Examiner, we will prepare and furnish to the Commission a list of these situations, but I hardly think this is necessary, because the prin- 757 ciple is identical with the illustration I cited to the Moapa versus the Tnrlock district. Dealing now with the question of the longer route meeting tlie charge of the direct route, the Commis¬ sion has recognized this principle heretofore, and I do not consider an extended argument or statement is necessary. As a matter of fact, in Fourth Section Case 4819 of July 3, 1915, the Commission granted this character of relief to the Southern Pacific Kail- road in connection with refrigeration charges on per¬ ishable freight from points on the lines of the South¬ ern Pacific to points in the United States and Can¬ ada. Manifestly, unless the carriers comprising the longer routes are permitted to establish the same charges as via the direct routes, they must either retire from the traffic or else so deplete their rev¬ enues in many instances as to make the traffic un¬ profitable. There are so many long routes involved from the various groups of origin shown in perish¬ able protective tariff No. 1 to destinations through¬ out the United States and Canada that it would be impossible to furnish a specific statement of such routes, and I do not believe the Commission would consider that necessary. (Tr., 9410.) Q. (By Mr. Westlake.) Mr. Bell, you said in making up the exhibits that the switching item was uniform in all the exhibits. Do you recall there were a few exhibits where the actual switching costs were usedl A. I did not mean the exhibits, but I mean in ar¬ riving at the proposed charges the uniform charge of 35 cents was used to cover switching to and from ice plants. Q. Now, that average ice consumption from the Moapa Valley and the Turlock district, that was to Illinois as a destination? A. Yes, and that is taken from Mr. Dearborn's exhibits. (Tr., 9411.) Q. (By Examiner Marshall.) Now, just one question with respect to the Fourth Section situ¬ ation. If this tariff should go into effect, even as¬ suming that the Commission approves these de¬ partures, is it your understanding they would be 758 lawful unless there is a Fourth Section application to act upon! A. Mr. Examiner, I wanted to protect the situ¬ ation, which may be already covered by Fourth Sec¬ tion applications, as for instance, the Southern Pa¬ cific Fourth Section order for relief, but I did not feel that knowing these departures existed under th ■ tariff that we could afford not to show (Tr., 9412) in the record that they existed and that we felt that that relief should be granted. Now, if the Commis¬ sion feels that specific application for relief is neces¬ sary, of course the individual carriers will have to file these applications with the Commission, if they have not alreadv been granted the relief. (Tr., 9412.) Upon this phase of the case it would seem that nothing need be added to Mr. Bell's remarks, except to say that in the event the tariff shall receive the approval of the Commission and it shall appear that putting the tariff into effect Avill create Fourth Section violations, they will be protected by appropriate applications. FIFTEENTH SECTION APPLICATIONS. The Fifteenth Section Applications in behalf of cer¬ tain railroads not under Federal control were filed with the Commission as follows: Agent E. B. Boyd's Application B-412, which is the same as Agent E. H. Countiss' Application No. 247, dated June 19, 1919, this application being in¬ tended to cover all interested nonfederal controlled roads in Western Classification territory. Agent J. H. Glenn's Application No. 133, dated June 19, 1919, covering interested nonfederal con¬ trolled roads in Southern Classification territory. Agent E. Morris' Application No. 973 and Agent F. S. Davis' Application No , dated June 13, 1919, jointly covering interested nonfederal con¬ trolled roads in Official Classification territory. Since the above applications were filed, Mr. J. E. Fair¬ banks, general secretary of the American Eailroad Asso- 759 ciation, lias been designated as tbe publishing agent of proposed tariff in behalf of all cai'riers under Federal control and not under Federal control. Agent Fairbanks is now securing powers of attorney from interested non¬ federal controlled roads and intends to file with the Com¬ mission in due course a separate application in behalf of such roads, which application will be joint for all in¬ terested nonfederal controlled roads, and such applica¬ tion A^dlen filed will supersede the other three applica¬ tions first above mentioned. CONCLUDING STATEMENT. The large number of separate rules, regulations, con¬ ditions and factors necessary to be included and consid¬ ered in a tariff of nation-wide application, has made it necessary to express our conclusions, in the main, at the end of the discussion of each separate feature of the brief. Little need therefore be said at this point with re¬ spect to the several items or features. In submitting the whole matter we desire to say that the preparation of a complete and comprehensive tariff like the one now before us, cannot, in the nature of things, be consummated without some resulting imperfections. But considering the magnitude of the task, and the many widely varying conditions and practices sought to be corelated and harmonized, we submit that the tariff as now proposed is as nearly complete and as nearly free from errors as human effort and the best available skill and experience could reasonably be expected to make it. Beginnings are always difficult and usually imperfect, but, nevertheless, important and essential. The adoption of this tariff will not petrify into perma¬ nence any errors that may have crept in or preclnde the 760 correction of any injustices that may develop from its operation. It may at any time be improved or corrected by the Commission, as occasion may require On the other band its adoption will constitute a whole¬ some beginning in the right direction. Its operation will develop any injustices or need for correction, better than any amount of academic discussion or unsympathetic criticism. Considering all the facts and conditions that seem to make necessary and desirable a comprehensive tariff of this kind, and considering further the facts adduced at the hearings, which we think amply justify the various rules, provisions and charges thereof, we respectfully urge the proposed Perishable Protective Taritf No. 1 upon the consideration of the Commission for its favor¬ able recommendation aiid advice to the Director General of Bailroads. Respectfully submitted, H. G. Hebbel, E. H. widdicombe, A. P. Humburg, N. W. Progtob, John M. Sternhagen, Duane E. Minarb, Elmer Westlake, Cmmsel for United States Railroad Administration. R. V. Fletcher, Of Counsel. CHICAGO', Nov. 1, 1919, 761 APPENDIX A. Material changes which have been made in the tariff since it was presented to the Commission for its recom¬ mendations. (See page of the text.) Copy of a letter in behalf of carriers addressed to the examiner : United States Eailroad Administration Director General of Eailroads Washington Division of Traffic Edward Chambers, Director At Chicago, 111. October 23, 1919 In re Perishable Freight Investigation—I. C. C. Docket No. 10664. Mr. G. R. Marshall, Attorney Examiner, Interstate Commerce Commission, Washington, D. C. My dear Mr. Marshall: At various hearings in the Perishable Freight Inves¬ tigation'—I. C. C. Docket No. 10664—witnesses on be¬ half of the United States Eailroad Administration stated certain changes would be made in the rules, charges, etc., as now shown in proposed Perishable Protective Tariff No. 1. Since the conclusion of the final hearing in Chicago on October 6th, this tariff has been further reviewed with a view of developing what, if any, discrepancies might be found, and also with the view of modification of cer¬ tain rules contained therein. Based on the foregoing I am submitting below for the 762 consideration of the Commission changes that we pro¬ pose making in the tariff, and Avhich we respectfully re¬ quest be considered in connection with the testimony and exhibits as disclosed by the record in Docket No. 10664: Item No. 14—Refrigerator and Insulated Cars; Defini¬ tion of {Page 1 of Proposed Tariff). At the New York hearing certain of the complainants contended that under the proposed definition of a "Fully insulated car," as shown in paragraph (B) of Item No. 14, cars intended primarily for the handling of traffic under ventilation would come within this definition and be subject to the proposed car rental charge shown in Eule No. 40. The cars used by the Atlantic Coast Line Eailroad and other roads in Florida were cited as illus¬ trative. That there may be no misunderstanding as to what constitutes a "Fully Insulated Car," we propose changing paragraph (B) of Item No. 14 to read as fol¬ lows : (B) The term "Fully Insulated Car" as used in this tariff means a car having insulated, hinged, swinging doors, as well as insulations in the walls, ends, ceiling and floor. Item No. 15—Perishable Commodities; Definition and List of {Pages 1 and 2 of Proposed Tariff). We propose to show preflx figure" (1) " instead of pre¬ fix figure "(3)" against Cocoanuts; and for the reason that we are advised Cocoanuts should be protected against heat as well as cold. We propose eliminating "Milk, Fresh," in accord¬ ance with Witness McPike's statement (Tr. 2134). Through some oversight Pineapples have been omit¬ ted from Item No. 15, and wo propose including Pine¬ apples Avith prefix "(1)." 763 Rule No. Zb—Ordering Cars {Page 7 of proposed Tariff)'. "We propose changing paragraph (B) of this rule to read as follows : (B) Carriers not owning or operating brine tank refrigerator cars, or other special equipment, do not hold themselves out as being in readiness to supply such equipment. This change is proposed in the interest of clarity. Ride No. 50—Loading, Stowing, Stripping, Racking, False Flooring. Paragraph (A) of this rule will be withdrawn, in ac¬ cordance with Witness McPike's Exhibit No. 12. Paragraph (B) will be relettered "(A)," with no change in the wording. Paragraph (C) will be relettered "(B)," and corrected to read as follows : (B) No charge will be made for transporting temporary false floors or floor-racks furnished by shipper, when used with perishable freight either in packages or in bulk (including so-called "piece freight"). No charge will be made for transporting racks, strips, or braces furnished by shipper when used with carload shipments of perishable freight in packages. No allowance will be made for the use of strips, braces, frames or racks (other than floor racks when used as such) furnished by shipper, as provided in paragraph (A) above, with carload freight in bulk (including so-called "piece freight"). In such cases the weight of such materials shall be charged for at the freight rate applicable on the freight shipped. Paragraphs (D), (E) and (E) to be relettered to pre¬ serve continuity, but with no change in the present word¬ ing. 764 Bule No. Transfer ; Charge for {Page 11 of proposed Tariff). It is proposed to change this rule to read as follows: (A) Carriers are not obligated to transfer per¬ ishable freight en route from box or other cars into refrigerator or other fully insulated cars (see Item No. 14) but when such transfer of carload shipments is made (the refrigerator or other fully insulated cars being available into which to make such trans¬ fer), to protect the freight against heat or cold, a charge of five dollars ($5.00) per car (see Excep¬ tion) for the service of transferring will be made and added to the billing, and will accrue to the car¬ rier on whose rails the transfer is performed. Exception : When such transfer is made at points within the Dominion of Canada the charge will be ten dollars ($10.00) instead of five dollars ($5.00) per car. (B) The above charge will be made in addition to the charge for the use of fully insulated car (see Item No. 14) beyond point of transfer, as provided in Eule No. 40. (C) The provisions of paragraph (A) will not apply on carload shipments of perishable freight transported under shipper's instructions:—"Com¬ mon Car Service; owner's risk of heat or cold" (see Enle No. 80). The first paragraph of the rule, as revised, makes plain that the carriers do not hold themselves out to transfer freight from box cars into fully insulated cars when fully insulated cars are not available. Paragraph (C) of the new rule is intended to meet the objection of shippers that under the rule as pro¬ posed in Perishable Protective Tariff No. 1 carriers might transfer freight from box cars into refrigerator cars even though the shipper desired box car service through to destination at owner's risk of heat or cold. In this connection see Witness Bell's testimony, pages 794 and 795 of transcript. 765 Ride No. 110—Caretakers with Rananas, carloads; Transportation of {Page 12 of proposed Tariff). Further consideration of the rule as shown in proposed Perishable Protective Tariff No. 1 impels us to the be¬ lief that it does not fit the actual conditions under which caretakers of bananas are returned. It is often custom¬ ary for one messenger to accompany a train of bananas to some crossing or gateway where the shipments are reconsigned in smaller lots to various destinations, re¬ quiring the use of different messengers over different portions of the route. It is not at all times practicable for the Agent at point of origin to secure release or contract from the caretaker in charge and, in fact, many of the carriers use coupon books with a blanket release Avhich the messenger signs at the time the coupon books are issued. Manifestly the return trip should be via the same route as that of the shipment which the care¬ taker accompanied, and no such provision is contained in Eule No. 110. It is also customary that when shipments have been handled through the medium of a belt or ter¬ minal line over a part of a through route, over which there is no regular passenger train service, to furnish return transportation from the passenger terminal of the carriers performing the line haul. For the reasons above set out, we propose changing paragraph (A) of this rule to read; (A) One man in charge of each consignment of bananas in straight carloads, or in mixed carloads with cocoanuts, (consisting of one to five carloads) will, at any time of year, be given free transporta¬ tion for entire trip or any portion thereof between points between which the shipments move. If de¬ sired, different caretakers may accompany the same shipment over different portions of the route via which the shipment moves. to change paragraph (B) to read: (B) Caretakers will be required to execute re- 766 lease, using the form provided for that purpose by carrier. to add to paragraph (E) the following: The return trip shall be via the same route as that of the shipment which the caretaker accom¬ panied. When shipments have been handled through the medium of a Belt or Terminal line, forming a part of a through route, over which there is no regular passenger train service, return transporta¬ tion as authorized in this rule will be furnished care¬ takers from and to passenger terminal of the car¬ riers performing the line haul of the original freight shipment which the caretakers accompanied. Rule No. 200—Application {Page 17 of proposed Tariff). At the Los Angeles hearing (Tr. 533) Witness Bell stated that paragraph (G) of Eule No. 200 would be re¬ vised so that the shippers would not be charged full stated refrigeration charges when cars are placed for loading with ice in the bunkers, the shipper, however, desiring movement under ventilation instead of refrig¬ eration. In compliance with Mr. Bell's statement we propose adding to paragraph (G) the following: The provisions of this paragraph will not apply in those instances where shipper orders a refrig¬ erator car and instructs that shipment be made un¬ der ventilation and carrier furnishes a car the bunk¬ ers or tanks of which contain ice remaining over from a previous shipment. Under the wording of paragraph (K) of Eule No. 200 salt, if furnished to shipments of packing house prod¬ ucts and dairy products when moving under stated re¬ frigeration charges, would be charged for in addition to the stated refrigeration charge. It is customary to in¬ clude the cost of salt on commodities enumerated in Sec¬ tion No. 4 of the proposed tariff when such commodities move under stated charges. The stated charges on fruits, vegetables, berries or melons do not include the 767 use of salt, and we propose, therefore, to amend para¬ graph (K) of Rule No. 200 to read as follows: (K) Stated refrigeration charges shown in this Section applying on fruits, vegetables, berries or melons do not include the use of salt. If salt is furnished by carrier to such commodities it will be supplied only at regular icing stations and will be charged for on basis provided in Section No. 4. Subsequent to the hearings in Docket No. 10664, our attention has been called to the fact that there is a move¬ ment in certain territories (particularly Central West¬ ern territory) of crushed fruits, under refrigeration, and that tariffs of certain individual carriers now publish stated refrigeration charges. We, therefore, propose adding an additional paragraph to Rule No. 200, to be designated as paragraph "(M)," reading as follows: (M) The terms fruits, apples, berries, vegetables and melons, on which commodities the Table of Charges in this Section apply (see Pages Nos. 149 to 504, inclusive), means feesh fruits, apples, ber¬ ries, vegetables and melons. When crushed fruits, apples, berries, vegetables or melons and/or fruit juices (not beverages), in straight or mixed car¬ loads, are transported under refrigeration, the low¬ est stated refrigeration charge provided in this Sec¬ tion from point of origin to destination will apply. Rule No. 255—Ealf-tanh Refrigeration Service on Citrus Fruit from Florida {Page 23 of proposed Tariff). Witnesses for the carriers stated in the record that half-tank refrigeration charges would be re-established on apples from Virginia points and on fruits from Mich¬ igan points (where half-tank refrigeration had previ¬ ously been furnished) subject to the provision that it would be furnished only when such types of refrigerator cars are available that will permit the half-tank refrig¬ eration. We are not yet prepared to submit specific figures but 768 will incorporate tliem in tlie tariiï, when published, ano Avill make those charges subject to the provisions of Rule No. 255, making such changes in the language of that rule as may be necessary. Item. No. 903—California {Interstate) Geographical De¬ scription of origin Groupings, etc. {Page 24 of pro¬ posed Tariff). Simply in the interest of clarification, this Item will be changed to read as follows : Group (A) All points except those on the South¬ ern Pacific Railroad east of Banning and on the. Atchison, Topeka and Santa Fe Railroad south of Cadiz on the line from Cadiz to Parker, Arizona. Group (B) All points not included in Group (A). Some confusion in arranging the alphabetical index has resulted from the wording of this item as shown in proposed Perishable Protective Tariff No. 1 and the re¬ vision makes plain the territorial description. Item No. 914—Kansas—Geographical Description of Origin Groupings, etc. {Page 25 of proposed Tariff). Item No. 1016—Kansas—Geographical Description of Destination Groupings, etc. {Page 30 of proposed Tariff). Witness W. P. Huston (Tr. 2023-2024) contended that under the grouping as shown in Item No. 1016, Wichita would be placed at a disadvantage as compared with Hutchinson, Kansas, and other points in the same group. We have undertaken to meet Mr. Huston's views by a revision of Item No. 1016 reading as follows: Group 1. All points on and east of the Union Pacific Railroad, Kansas-Nebraska State Line through Marysville to Manhattan; thence on and east of the Chicago, Rock Island & Pacific Railroad, Manhattan to McFarland, inclusive; thence east of the Chicago, Rock Island & Pacific Railroad, Mc- 769 P"'arlaud to Wichita; thence east of the Atchison, Topeka & Santa Fe Eailroad, Wichita to Arkansas City. We have made corresponding change in Item No. 914, which covers Kansas as origin territory. Item No. 934—Oklahoma—Geographical Description of Origin Groupings, etc. {Page 26 of proposed Tariff). Simply in the interest of clarity, we propose changing Item No. 934 to read as follows: Group (A). Points west of the Atchison, Topeka & Santa Fe Railroad, Chilocco to Thackerville, via Guthrie, Oklahoma City and Purcell. Group (B). All points not included in Group (A). This change we consider necessary because there are two lines of the Atchison, Topeka & Santa P^e Eailroad, one running through Oklahoma City but the dividing line is properly drawn through the center of Oklahoma. Tables of Charges in Section .No. 2. {Pages 149 to 504, inclusive, of proposed Tariff). Proposed Perishable Protective Tariff No. 1 shows a sub-group numbered 2, in the Northern Peninsula of Michigan, this group embracing only the city of Menom¬ inee. This was done so that the charges into Menomi¬ nee would be kept on the same level as those in effect to Marinette, Wis., which point is located just across the Menominee River. AVe have discovered that some er¬ rors were made in checking in the stated charges from certain States to tlie Northern Peninsula of Michigan (Groups 1 and 2), and to Group 3 in Wisconsin which includes Marinette. Changes, therefore, are necessary in many of the Tables shown in the tariff, and I attach hereto a statement of such changes, marked "Exhibit No. 1." It was the intention to establish on vegetables and on 770 perishable freight not otherwise indexed by name charges from points in Arizona, Group (B), on practically the same basis as on the same commodities from California, Group (B)~ to all destinations. Through some over¬ sight in preparing the tariff the charges from Arizona, Group (B), to destinations in the United States and the Dominion of Canada, on vegetables and perishable freight not otherwise indexed by name, were shown on a higher basis, in fact, in a majority of cases at fifteen dollars (|15.00) per car higher than California, Group (B). We now propose changing the proposed charges in Column 4 of Table Ko. 3, pages 157 to 160, as shown on "Exhibit No. 2," hereto attached. There is not a uni¬ form difference of fifteen dollars ($15.00) per car, but the proposed figures preserve the relation that we feel should be maintained. Due to Avhat appear to have been errors in checking the charges, or else in proof-reading of proposed Per¬ ishable Protective Tariff No. 1, there are some charges published to the three Iowa destination groups which are out of line, and which create Fourth Section viola¬ tions Avhich were not intended, and which Ave propose changing : Destination Group 1 in loAva embraces points along the Missouri Ewer (the extreme Western part of the State) ; destination Group 2 in Iowa embraces points along the Mississippi Eiver (the extreme Eastern part of the State) ; destination Group 3 in Iowa embraces the remainder of - the State (or that part not included in Groups 1 and 2) and comprising, roughly speaking, over ninety per cent of the State. The mistakes in proposed Perishable Protective Tariff No. 1 were quite probably due to the fact that Avhen checking the charges or in read¬ ing the proof it was assumed that the destination groups iu loAva Avere numbered consecutively from West to 771 East, that is "Groups 1-2-3" instead of "Groups 1-3-2." To rectify the errors we propose changes as set out in "Exhibit No. 3," hereto attached. We liave also discovered some manifest but unexplain- able errors in the proposed charges from the eight groups in Texas to the States of Arkansas and Louisiana, and to correct these errors we propose changes as shown in "Exhibit No. 4," hereto attached. We also discovered a palpable error in the charges from Wisconsin, Group (C), Table No. 93, to the State of Minnesota, the charges to the two Minnesota Groups being transposed. The proper revision will mean a re¬ duction of five dollars ($5.00) per car in the charges to Minnesota, Group 2, and an increase in charges of five dollars ($5.00) per car to Minnesota, Group 1. We also discovered an error in the charges in Table No. 30 to the State of Wisconsin, and the change neces¬ sary to properly align the tariff will result in an increase of five dollars ($5.00) per car to Wisconsin, Groiip 1. Table No. 16, page 194 of tariff. Item No. 2207 (Con¬ necticut destinations) is in error in that the correct fig¬ ures for Columns 1, 2, 3 and 4 respectively should be $60.00, $55.00, $65.00 and $50.00, as it is not intended to apply higher charges to Connecticut points than to Mas¬ sachusetts points. In Item No. 4738, Table No. 41, page 289 of tariff, the stated charges to Group 4 should be reduced five dollars ($5.00) per car in columns 2 and 3, thus making the charges $40.00 and $50.00 respectively. Tables No. 97 and 98 in Section No. 3. {Pages 509 and 510 of proposed Tariff). Tables Nos. 97 and 98 provide for no replenishing charges to the State of New Mexico. It has developed that the Atchison, Topeka & Santa Fe Eailroad now 772 publish, in AT&SF ER Tariff I. C. C. No. 7583, charges to Nerv Mexico from points in Kansas, Oklahoma, Missouri and Texas and it is desired to continue a line of replenishing charges from this origin territory to New Mexico points. It is also felt that similar charges should be published from the other groups of origin shown in Tables Nos. 97 and 98, otherwise there might be a charge of undue discrimination in that stated charges would apply from the Kansas, Oklahoma, Missouri and Texas origins whereas the cost of ice basis, as per Section No. 4 of the tariff, would apply from the other origin terri¬ tory. Furthermore, it is manifest that routes other than the Atchison, Topeka & Santa Fe should be on a parity Avith the Atchison, Topeka & Santa Fe from Kansas, Oklahoma, Missouri and Texas origins. Attention is further called to the fact that New Mexico is intermedi¬ ate to California and that stated charges are published to all California points from all origins. We propose, therefore, to add New Mexico destina¬ tions to Tables Nos. 97 and 98, the figures to be shown in Table No. 97 being as follows: C(-I. Col. Col. Col. Col". Col. 1 2 3 4 5 6 $ 17.50 $ 27.50 $ 25.00 $ 25.00 | 30.00 $ 25.00 the figures to be shown in Table No. 98 being as follows: Col. Col. Col. Col. Col. Col. 7 8 9 10 11 12 I 27.50 $ 25.00 $ 30.00 $ 25.00 $ 27.50 $ 25.00 Ride No. 400—Application—Paragraph (S) {Page 515 ■ of proposed Tariff). The record in Docket No. 10664 shows some objectlou to the so-called double minimum for ice and salt. The provision in proposed Perishable Protective Tariff No. 1 ' 773 -was brought forward from original proof, though it was tlie intention to make the following provision; Mininmm Charge for Re-icing: The minimum charge per ear for each re-icing will be on the fol¬ lowing basis : for ice 1,000 pounds; and for salt, actual weight. IVc therefore submit this proposed change. Title page, Section No. 5 {Page 519 of proposed Tariff). IVe propose changing the provisions of this title page in accordance with Witness Beidelman (Tr. 6116-6118) and to read as follows : The provisions of this Section will not apply for account of carriers within the Dominion of Canada, except as to traffic passing through the Dominion of Canada but which has both points of origin and des¬ tination within the United States. Exceptions :—Precedence over the provisions of this Section will be taken by the following tariffs, supplements thereto and reissues thereof, as they may respectively apply: Bangor & Aroostook Eailroad, Tariff I. C. C. No. 1458. Boston & Maine Eailroad, Tariff I. C. C. No. A- 1562 (insert later issue). Canadian National Eailwavs, Tariff I. C. C. No. 894. Canadian Pacific Eailway, I. C. C. No. E-1838. Maine Central Eailroad, Tariff I. C. C. No. C-2272 (insert later issue). New York, New Haven & Hartford Eailroad, Tariff No. I. C. C. F-2192. Ride No. 510—Shipper's Protective Service {Pages 521 and 522 of proposed Tariff). Paragraph (E) of Eule No. 510 provides that cars will not be placed in "roundhouses or other warming houses" and would convey the idea that warming houses not the property of the carriers might not be utilized. In the interest of clarity we propose changing this rule to read as follows: 774 (E) Housing: Cars moving under this rule will not be placed in carrier's warming houses or round¬ houses at any point, including destination, for pro¬ tection of contents against cold nor for the removal of frost from the lading. Rule No. 512—Caret-alters {Transportation of) ; with carloads when Shipper installs portable Heater {Page 522 of proposed Tariff). Witness Tong (Tr. 2550-2551) called attention to the fact that the wording of this rule does not permit the return of caretakers to the extent that our testimony in¬ dicated was intended. We propose, therefore, to change the second sub-paragraph of paragraph (P) to read as follows : Free transportation will be given to caretakers who have accompanied shipments, as provided in paragraphs (A), (B), (C), (D) and (E) of this rule, when such return trip is between points within the territory west of the Mississippi River, west of the Illinois-Indiana-Kentueky state line, west of Lake Michigan and Lake Superior, also including points Avithin the northern peninsula of Michigan provided that return trip of caretaker shall be commenced Avithin five days after arrival at desti¬ nation of the shipment which he accompanied. AVitness Beidelman (Tr. 6120-6121) stated that the present practice with respect to return of caretakers in XcAv England territory would be continued. AVe propose therefore to add to the second sub-paragraph of para¬ graph (F) the following: Exception : Precedence over the provisions of tliis rule Avill be taken by the following tariffs, sup¬ plements thereto and reissues thereof as they may respectively apply: Bangor & Aroostook Railroad, Tariff I. C. C. No. 1147. (also enumerating other tariffs of New England lines.) Rule No. 550—Reiurn of Stoves, Heaters, portable False Floors, icooden Linings, etc. {Page 525 of proposed Tariff). "Witness Beidelman (ïr. 6123) stated an additional paragraph would be added to this rule so as to permit the return of cars permanently'' equipped with false floors, linings and other fittings and used for a special character of traffic, without making a charge for the floors, linings and other fittings remaining intact in the car. "We propose adding to Eule No. 550 an additional paragraph reading as follows: (F) "When cars have been permanently equipped with false floors, linings and other fittings and are used for a special character of traffic, the false floors, linings and other fittings remaining intact in the car of which they form a part, no charge will be made for the return transportation of such false floors, linings or other fittings. No hill of lading- will be issued for the return movement of such cars or for any of the false floors, linings or other fit¬ tings remaining therein. Section No. 5—Tables of Charges Nos. 101, 102 and 103 {Pages 526 to 533, inclusive, of proposed Tariff). "Witness Bell (Tr. 9399-9401) testified it would be nec¬ essary to eliminate the charges for Carriers' Protective Service from points in Western territory to points east of the Indiana-Illinois State Line, for the reasons set out in Mr. Bell's testimony. We propose eliminating from Tables Nos. 101, 102 and 103 all stated charges to the following named States, but make reference to Eule No. 515 so as to permit proportional application of Tables Nos. 101, 102 and 103 : Connecticut, Maryland, Ohio, Delaware, Massachusetts, Pennsylvania, District of Colum- Michigan (Groups Ehode Island, bm, 3 & 4) Indiana, New Hampshire, Vermont, Kentucky, New Jersey, Virginia, Maine, New York, West Virginia. 776 Section No. 6—Title Page {Page 535 of proposed Tariff). It is proposed to change the provisions of this title page so as to conform to the actual application of the tariff, including reference to tariffs of New England lines covering "Carriers' Protective Service" for less than carload shipments as now published by those lines. In this connection please see Witness Beidelman's testi¬ mony (Tr. 6116-6117). Ride No. 605—Shipper's Instructions {Page 537 of pro¬ posed Tariff). As stated by Witness Beidelman (Tr. 7336), we pro¬ pose amending Rule No. 605 by inserting, at the begin¬ ning of the rule, the following words : When scheduled refrigerator car service is avail¬ able under the provisions of Rule No. 610. Ride No. 615—Refusal of Freight and Restricted Articles in Scheduled Refrigerator Cars {Page 537 of proposed Tariff). In accordance with the testimony of Witness Bell (Tr. 7336-7337) we propose to revise paragraph (A) of Rule No. 615 to read as follows: Carriers are not obligated to accept for trans- poration under "Scheduled Refrigerator Car Service" any commodity the odor or nature of which may contaminate butter or other freight in the same car. We propose adding to paragraph (B) of Rule No. 615 the following: unless the shipper specifies on shipping order or bill of lading the notation: "Box car service, own¬ er's risk of damage by heat or cold," except, how¬ ever, as otherwise provided by paragraphs (C) and (D). At various hearings attention was called to the fact that paragraph (C) of Rule No. 615 contains the ex- 777 pression "five degrees below." We propose to change this language to read "five degrees below zero," in or¬ der to convey exactly the meaning of the rule. In paragraph (D) of Eule No. 615, we propose sub¬ stituting for the word "Fish" the term "Fish, fresh or frozen." Bule No. 630—Individual Car for one Consignee at one Destination {Page 538 of proposed Tariff). In sub-paragraph (1) of paragraph (A) we propose in¬ serting the word "fish" after the words "dressed poul¬ try." We also propose eliminating reference to Eule No. 260, as we do not consider this cross reference nec¬ essary. Witness Bell (Tr., 7335-7336) stated Eule No. 630 would be amended so as to permit the handling of fruits and vegetables, originating in Eastern Trunk Line terri¬ tory, in a refrigerator car at a minimum of fifteen thou¬ sand (15,000) pounds, subject to the rental charge as pro¬ vided for in Eule No. 40 on those commodities moving under ventilation and, if moving under refrigeration, at the stated carload refrigeration charges shown in Sec¬ tion No. 2 of the taritf. AVe now propose to change the number of sub-para¬ graph (2) of paragraph (A) to number (3), and to in¬ sert a new^ sub-paragraph (2) to read as follows; (2) On shipments of fruits, berries, vegetables and/or melons moving on less than carload or any quantity freight rates, originating at points within the States of Maine, New Hampshire, Vermont, Massachusetts, Ehode Island, Connecticut, New York, Pennsylvania, New Jersey, Delaware, Maryland, AVest Virginia or District of Columbia. AAY also propose to change paragraph (C) of Eule No. 630 to read: (C) Shipments handled under the provisions of paragraphs (A) and (B) of this rule will be treated 778 the same as carload shipments and will be subject to the charges for use of car provided in Rule No. 40 on the commodities specified in that rule, and/or to the charges published in Sections No. 2, 3, 4 or 5 as they may respectively apply. We propose eliminating from present sub-paragraph (2) reference to Rule No. 244, believing that there is no connection between Rule No. 630 and Rule No. 244. We further propose eliminating from the "Note" in Rule No. 630 the last sentence reading: Unless the shipper handles as above prescribed the shipments moving under this Note will be sub¬ ject to the Tables of Charges on pages 539 to 618, inclusive, of this Section as they may respectively apply. We are eliminating this sentence for the reason that Rule No. 630 authorizes the use of a refrigerator car at a minimum of 15,000 pounds and the charges for any character of protective service should be not less than the charge for a full carload. The sentence in question would result in a conflict in charges and it is our view that the less than carload charges should not be used on traffic moving under Rule No. 630. If traffic moves in scheduled cars, including "Scheduled Pick-up Cars," the charges in Tables Nos. 104 to 126, inclusive, would ob¬ tain and it is our conclusion that any reference to those charges in Rule No. 630 would result in conflict and mis¬ understanding. Table No. 104—Section No. 6 {Page 539 of proposed, Tariff). Tables Nos. 118 to 126—Section No. 6 {Pages 592 to 618, inclusive, of proposed Tariff). Witness Beidelman (Tr. 6116-6117) testified that it did not ajjpear likely that "Carriers' Protective Service" against cold would be inaugurated locally between points in Official Classification teriltory during the approach- 779 ins: season, because it would not be feasible for the car- O / riers to equip themselves to offer this service. Witness Bell (Tr. 9399-9401) outlined reasons for eliminating from the tariff carload charges for "Carriers' Protec¬ tive Sex'vice" against cold from points in Western ter¬ ritory to points east of the Indiana-Illinois State Line. Inasmuch as it"is not feasible to give the service we pro¬ pose : a. Eliminating from Table No. 104, page 539, the charges for this protective service from points in the states of Maryland, Ohio, Connecticut, Massachusetts, Pennsylvania, Delaware, Michigan Sou. Rhode Island, District of Colum- Peninsula), bia, Indiana, New Hampshire, "Vermont, Kentucky, New Jersey, Virginia, Maine, New York, West Virginia. b. To eliminate from Tables Nos. 118 to 126, both in¬ clusive, charges for protective service against cold to destinations in the above mentioned States, and to also eliminate the following States of origin : From Table No. 118—Connecticut, Delaware, Dis¬ trict of Columbia. From Table No. 119—Indiana groups. From Table No. 120—Kentucky, Maine, Mary¬ land, Massachusetts. From Table No. 121—-Michigan, Col. 2. From Table No. 122—New Hampshire, New Jer¬ sey. From Table No. 123—New York groups, Ohio. From Table No. 124—Pennsylvania groups, Rhode Island, Vermont. From Table No. 125—Virginia groups. West Vir¬ ginia. We also propose the following notes in connection with Table No. 104: Note No. 1: The above charges for protective service against cold will not apply through to desti- 780 nations other than those to which through charges are provided in Tables Nos. 118 to 126, both inclusive. Note No. 2 : Charges in this Table will be arrived at by using the short line mileage from point of origin to destination via routes via which freight charges are lawfully applicable. Note No. 1 so restricts the application of the charges that they may not be applied to destinations to which the service is not available. Note No. 2 is simply to indicate that the short line dis¬ tances shall be applied. Taken as a whole the changes that we propose rep¬ resent substantial modifications in the rules and charges herein referred to. There are some few advances neces¬ sary to preserve the proper relationship but compared Avith the reductions the advances are comparatively few. Yours very truly, (Signed) Elmer Westlakb, Counsel in Charge. 781 EXHIBIT No. 1. Table From Number To Increase Decreas Alabama 1 Michigan, Group 2. .. $5.00 .... Connecticut, Massachusetts, Rhode Island 15 Wisconsin, Group 3 15.00 Delaware; Maryland, Group A; Virginia, Group A 16 Wisconsin, Group 3 5.00 District of Columbia; Mary¬ land, Group B 17 Wisconsin, Group 3 5.00 Florida, Group A 18 Michigan, Group 2. .. 5.00 .... Florida, Group B 19 Michigan, Group 2. .. 5.00 Georgia 20 Michigan, Group 2. .. 5.00 .... Illinois, Group A 24 Michigan, Group 2. .. 5.00 .... Illinois, Group B 25 Michigan, Group 2. .. 5.00 .... Indiana, Group A 26 Wisconsin, Group 3 5 .00 Indiana, Group B 27 Wisconsin, Group 3 5.00 Maine 37 Wisconsin, Group 3 5 .00 Michigan, Group B 41 Wisconsin, Group 3 5.00 New Hampshire, Vermont.. 55 Wisconsin, Group 3 5.00 New Jersey 56 Wisconsin, Group 3 5 .00 New York, Group A 59 Wisconsin, Group 3 5 .00 New York, Group B 60 Wisconsin, Group 3 5 .00 North Carolina 61 Michigan, Group 2. .. 5.00 .... Ohio 64 Wisconsin, Group 3 5 .00 Pennsylvania, Group A 69 Wisconsin, Group 3 5.00 Pennsylvania, Group B 70 Wisconsin, Group 3 5.00 South Carolina 72 Michigan, Group 2... 5.00 .... West Virginia 90 Wisconsin, Group 3 5.00 782 EXHIBIT Ko. 2. STATEMENT OF PRESENT AND PROPOSED CHARGES IN PRO¬ POSED PERISHABLE PROTECTIVE TARIFF No. I, FROM ARIZONA, COLUMN 4, TABLE No. 3, AND COMPARISON WITH PRESENT CHARGES TIVE TARIFF No. 1, No. 7, COLUMN 4. To IN PROPOSED PERISHABLE PROTEC- FROM CALIFORNIA, GROUP B, TABLE Present Charges, Table No. 3, Col. 4, from Arizona. Proposed Charges, Table No. 3, Col. 4, from Arizona. Present Charges, Table No. 7, Col. 4, from California. Alabama, Groups 1, 2 and 3 Alberta, Group 1 Arizona, Group 1 Arkansas, Groups 1 and 2 British Columbia, Group 1 California, Groups 1, 2 and 3. .. Colorado, Group 1 Colorado, Group 2 Connecticut, Group 1 Delaware, Group 1 District of Columbia, Group 1.. Florida, Groups 1 and 2 Florida, Group 3 Georgia, Group 1 Idaho, Group 1 Idaho, Group 2 Idaho, Group 3 Illinois, Groups 1, 2, 3 and 4. .. Indiana, Groups 1, 2 and 3 Iowa, Groups 1 and 3 Iowa, Group 2 Kansas, Group 1 Kansas, Group 2 Kentucky, Group 1 Kentucky, Group 2 Kentucky, Group 3 Louisiana, Groups 1, 2 and 3. .. Maine, Group 1 Manitoba, Group 1 Maryland, Groups 1, 2 and 3... Massachusetts, Group 1 Michigan, Groups 1, 2 and 3. . . Michigan, Group 4 Minnesota, Group 1 Minnesota, Group 2 Mississippi, Groups 1 and 2. ... Missouri, Groups 1, 3 and 4.. .. Missouri, Group 2 Montana, Group 1 Montana, Group 2 $115.00 1100.00 $100.00 100.00 95.00 90.00 55.00 55.00 65.00 100.00 85.00 90.00 95.00 80.00 75.00 75.00 70.00 90.00 70.00 70.00 90.00 70.00 75.00 125.00 110.00 110.00 120.00 105.00 105.00 120.00 105.00 105.00 115.00 100.00 100.00 125.00 110.00 110.00 120.00 105.00 105.00 95.00 80.00 70.00 90.00 75.00 70.00 85.00 70.00 65.00 105.00 90.00 90.00 110.00 95.00 95.00 100.00 85.00 85.00 105.00 90.00 90.00 100.00 85.00 85.00 95.00 80.00 80.00 110.00 95.00 95.00 105.00 90.00 90.00 115.00 100.00 100.00 110.00 95.00 95.00 125.00 110.00 110.00 115.00 100.00 100.00 120.00 105.00 105.00 125.00 110.00 110.00 110.00 95.00 95.00 115.00 100.00 100.00 105.00 90.00 90.00 110.00 95.00 95.00 110.00 95.00 95.00 105.00 90.00 90.00 100.00 85.00 85.00 100.00 85.00 75.00 100.00 85.00 85.00 783 EXHIBIT No. 2—Continued. Present Proposed Present Charges, Charges, Charges, Table No. 3, Table No. 3, Table No. 7, To Col. 4, from Col. 4, from Col. 4, from Arizona. Arizona. California. Nebraska, Group 1 $100.00 $ 85.00 $85.00 Nebraska, Group 2 95.00 80.00 80.00 Nevada, Group 1 75.00 65.00 55.00 Nevada, Group 2 75.00 65.00 65.00 New Brunswick, Group 1 130.00 115.00 115.00 New Hampshire, Group 1 125.00 110.00 110.00 New Jersey, Group 1 120.00 105.00 105.00 New Mexico, Groups 1 and 2... 75.00 65.00 70.00 New York, Group 1 115.00 100.00 100.00 New York, Groups 2, 3 and 4. . 120.00 105.00 105.00 North Carolina, Group 1 125.00 110.00 110.00 North Dakota, Groups 1, 2, 3.. 110.00 95.00 90.00 Nova Scotia, Group 1 135.00 120.00 120.00 Ohio, Groups 1, 2, 3 and 4..... 115.00 100.00 100.00 Oklahoma, Groups 1, 2, 3 and 4. 100.00 85.00 85.00 Ontario, Group 1 115.00 100.00 100.00 Ontario, Group 2 120.00 105.00 105.00 Ontario, Group 3 110.00 95.00 95.00 Oregon, Group 1 85.00 70.00 65.00 Oregon, Group 2 90.00 60.00 50.00 Oregon, Group 3 90.00 65.00 60.00 Pennsylvania, Group !.. 115.00 100.00 100.00 Pennsylvania, Groups 2, 3 and 4 120.00 105.00 105.00 Quebec, Group 1 125.00 110.00 110.00 Rhode Island, Group I 125.00 110.00 110.00 Saskatchewan, Group I 110.00 95.00 85.00 South Carolina, Group 1 125.00 110.00 110.00 South Dakota, Group 1 105.00 90.00 90.00 South Dakota, Group 2 100.00 85.00 85.00 Tennessee, Group 1 105.00 90.00 90.00 Tennessee, Group 2 110.00 95.00 95.00 Tennessee, Group 3 115.00 100.00 100.00 Texas, Group 1 100.00 85.00 85.00 Texas, Groups 2 and 3 105.00 90.00 90.00 Texas, Group 4 110.00 95.00 95.00 Texas, Groups 5 and 6 95.00 80.00 80.00 Texas, Group 7 90.00 75.00 75.00 Texas, Group 8 85.00 70.00 75.00 Utah, Groups 1 and 2 85.00 70.00 65.00 Vermont, Group 1 125.00 110.00 110.00 Virginia, Groups 1 and 2 120.00 105.00 105.00 Washington, Groups I and 2. . . 90.00 75.00 65.00 West Virginia, Groups 1 and 2.. 115.00 100.00 100.00 West Virginia, Group 3 120.00 105.00 105.00 Wisconsin, Groups 1 and 2 105.00 90.00 90.00 Wisconsin, Groups 3 and 4 110,00 95.00 95.00 Wyoming, Groups 1 and 3 95.00 80.00 80.00 Wyoming, Group 2 90.00 75.00 75.00 NOTE—Figures in bold £ac9 changed since letter was written. 784 EXHIBIT No. 3. From Table Number To Increase Decreasi Texas, Group G. Texas, Group G. Texas, Group H. Wisconsin, Group C. ., Wisconsin, Group D 94 28 Iowa, Group 2 ... $5 no 28 Iowa, Group 3 $5.00 4U Iowa, Group 2 5.00 40 Iowa, Group 3 ... 5 00 46 Iowa, Group 2 ... 5 00 46 Iowa, Group 3 5.00 50 Iowa, Group 2 ... 5 00 50 Iowa, Group 3 5.00 81 Iowa, Group 2 . . 5 00 81 Iowa, Group 3 5.00 82 Iowa, Group 2 ... 5 00 82 Iowa, Group 3 5.00 83 Iowa, Group 2 ... 5 00 83 Iowa, Group 3 5.00 84 Iowa, Group 2 ... 5 00 84 Iowa, Group 3 5.00 91 Iowa, Group 2 5.00 92 Iowa, Group 2 5.00 93 Iowa, Group 2 5.00 94 Iowa, Group 2 5.00 EXHIBIT No. 4. Table From Number To Increase Decreasi Texas, Group A.... .... 77 Arkansas, Group 1. . . $5.00 Texas, Group A. ... .... 77 Louisiana, Group 1.. . .. $5 00 Texas, Group A. ... .... 77 Louisiana, Group 2.. . 5.00 Texas, Group B. ... .... 78 Arkansas, Group 1. . . 5.00 Texas, Group B. ... .... 78 Louisiana, Group 3.. . 5.00 Texas, Group C. ... .... 79 Arkansas, Group 1. . . 5.00 Texas, Group C. ... .... 79 Louisiana, Group 1.. . . . 10 00 Texas, Group C. ... 79 Louisiana, Group 2.. . 5.00 Texas, Group C.... 79 Louisiana, Group 3.. . 5.00 Texas, Group D... . 80 Arkansas, Group 1. . . 5.00 Texas, Group D ... . 80 Louisiana, Group 1.. . . . 10 00 Texas, Group D,.. . 80 Louisiana, Group 2.. . 5.00 Texas, Group D .... 80 Louisiana, Group 3.. . 5.00 Texas, Group E. ... 81 Louisiana, Group 1.. . .. 5 00 Texas, Group E. .., 81 Louisiana, Group 2.. . 5.00 Texas, Group E. ... 81 Louisiana, Group 3.. . 5.00 Texas, Group F. ... 82 Louisiana, Group 1.. . .. 5 00 Texas, Group F. ... 82 Louisiana, Group 2... 5.00 Texas, Group F. . .. 82 Louisiana, Group 3.. . 5.00 Texas, Group G.... 83 Louisiana, Group 1 . . 5 00 Texas, Group G.... 83 Louisiana, Group 2.. . 5.00 Texas, Group G. ... 83 Louisiana, Group 3.. . 5.00 Texas, Group H... . 84 Louisiana, Group 1.. . .. 5 00 Texas, Group H... . 84 Louisiana, Group 2.. . 5.00 Texas, Group H ... . .... 84 Louisiana, Group 3.. . 5.00 APPENDIX B. Witness: R. C. DEARBORN. Three days a month for year 1918, based on 1918 ice costs. C'ost of Proposed Ex. No. Commodity Origin Destination Service Charge 10-A Citrus California, Group A Colorado $ 66.44 $66.25 10-A Citrus California, Group A Illinois 81.45 80,89 19-A Citrus California, Group A Louisiana 76.47 90.00 10-A Citrus California, Group A Massachusetts 103.77 101.40 10-A Citrus California, Group A Minnesota (1) 86.36 81.76 10-A Citrus California, Group A Missouri (1-3-4) 73.71 82.65 10-A Citrus California, Group A New York (1) 88.05 91.11 10-A Citrus California, Group A New York (2-3-4) 98.59 93.07 10-A Citrus California, Group A Pennsylvania (1) 94.21 91.18 10-A Citrus California, Group A Pennsylvania (2-3-4) 104.27 95.88 10-A Citrus California, Group A Average 93.65 91.79 11 Cantaloupes California, Group A Colorado 75.27 80.00 11 Cantaloupes California, Group A Illinois ■ 89.06 95.00 11 Cantaloupes California, Group A Louisiana 104.65 100.00 11 Cantaloupes California, Group A Massachusetts 111.22 115.00 11 Cantaloupes California, Group A Minnesota (1) 89.65 95.00 11 Cantaloupes California, Group A Missouri (l) 89.50 95.00 11 Cantaloupes California, Group A Nebraska (1) 88.20 90.00 11 Cantaloupes California, Group A New York (1) 104.87 105.00 11 Cantaloupes California, Group A New York (2-3-4) 107.76 110.00 11 Cantaloupes California, Group A Pennsylvania (1) 105.71 105.00 11 Cantaloupes California, Group A Pennsylvania (2-3-4) 112.37 110.00 11 Cantaloupes California, Group A Average 99.73 102.39 12-A Green Fruit California, Group A Colorado (2) 64.41 75.00 12-A Green Fruit California, Group A Illinois 86.11 90.13 12-A Green Fruit California, Group A Louisiana 97.04 95.00 12-A Green Fruit California, Group A Massachusetts 106.95 110.00 12-A Green Fruit California, Group A Minnesota (1) 92.38 90.48 12-A Green Fruit, California, Group A Missouri (l) 87.93 90.00 12-A Green Fruit California, Group A Nebraska (1) 74.90 85.00 12-A Green Fruit California, Group A New York (1) 98.11 100.00 12-A Green Fruit California, (¡roup A New York (2-3-4) 101.89 105.04 12-A Green Fruit California, Group A Pennsylvania (1) 99.04 -100.00 12-A Green Fruit California, Group A Pennsylvania (2-3-4) 105.22 105.00 12-A Green Fruit California, Group A Average 97.69 100.52 witness: R. C. DEARBORN. Three days a month for year 1918, based on 1918 ice costs. Ex .No. Commodity 13-A Vegetables California 13-A Vegetables California 13-A Vegetables California 13-A Vegetables California 13-A Vegetables California 13-A Vegetables California 13-A Vegetables : California 13-A Vegetables California 13-A Vegetables California 13-A Vegetables California 13-A Vegetables California 13-A Vegetables California 14 Apples California 14 Apples California 14 Apples California 14 Apples California 14 Apples California 14 Apples California 14 Apples California 14 Apples Calif ornia 14 Apples California 14 Apples California 14 Apples California 15 Cantaloupes California 15 Cantaloupes California 15 Cantaloupes California 15 Cantaloupes California 15 Cantaloupes California 15 Cantaloupes California 15 Cantaloupes California 15 Cantaloupes California 15 Cantaloupes California 15 Cantaloupes California 15 Cantaloupes California 15 Cantaloupes California Cost of Proposed Origin Destination Service Charge Group A Colorado (2) $ 67.26 $ 60.00 Group A Illinois 76.50 75.00 Group A Louisiana 78.78 80,00 Group A Massachusetts 85.07 95.00 Group A Minnesota (1) 80.78 75.88 Group A Mississippi (1-3-4) 72.14 75.00 Group A Nebraska (1) 63.43 70.00 Group A New York (1) 68.44 85.00 Group A New York (2-3-4) 89.57 90.00 Group A Pennsylvania (1) 78.50 85.00 Group A Pennsylvania (2-3-4) 83.35 90.00 Group A Average 78.63 79.11 Group A Colorado (2) 67.32 65.00 Group A Illinois 85.26 80.00 Group A Louisiana 99.91 85.00 Group A Ma.ssachusetts 103.06 100.00 Group A Missouri (1-3-4) iß.49 80.00 Group A Nebraska (1) 76.83 75.00 GroupA New York (1) 88.14 90.00 Group A .New York (2-3-4) 102.99 95.00 GroupA Pennsylvania (1) 108.11 90.00 GroupA Pennsylvania (2-3-4) 110.55 95.00 GroupA Average 96.32 88.51 Group B Colorado (2) 101.48 110.00 Group B I llinois 118.34 125.00 Group B Louisiana 108.11 130.00 Group B Massachusetts 141.00 145.00 Group B Minnesota (1) 119.70 1 25.00 Group B Mississippi (1-3-4) 114.71 125.00 Group B Nebraska (1) 114.48 120.00 Group B New York (1) 126.25 135.00 Group B New York (2-3-4) 133.37 140.00 Group B Pennsylvania (1) 129.71 135.00 Group B Pennsylvania (2-3-4) 135.71 140.00 Group B Average 126,40 132.90 00 C5 witness: G. H. NELSON. Three days each month year Nov. 1, 1917, to Oct. 31, 1918, based on 1919 ice costs. Ex. No. Commodity Origin Destination. 12 Citrus California, Croup A All points 13 Melons California, Croup A All points 14 Creen Fruit California, Croup A All points 15 Vegetables S. California, Croup A All points 16 Melons Arizona, Croup B All points 17 Vegetables N. California, Croup A All points 18 Miscellaneous California California 19 Vegetables Colorado All points 20 Cabbage Colorado All points 21 Melons Colorado All points 22 Fruit, Cabbage New Mexico All points 23 Apples New Mexico All points 66.30 54.75 ^ 24 Cantaloupes New Mexico All points 109.15 98.45 ^ Entire 1918 Movement. 30 Crapes Missouri All points 31 Fruits Oklahoma All points 32 Fruit, Vegetables Texas All points 33 Vegetables Texas All points Cost of Proposed Service. Charge. S 83.77 $ 84.90 98.42 102.21 93.36 98.08 63.67 69.00 125.45 133.85 64.94 67.46 38.94 34.16 64.57 56.43 62.30 63.65 70.63 81.10 87.91 82.27 66.30 54.75 109.15 98.45 84.86 50.83 93.86 63.48 93.29 75.36 68.93 65.00 witness: R. C. DEARBORN. 3 days each month for year 1918 based on 1918 ice costs. Cost of Proposed Ex. No. Commodity Origin. Destination. Service. Charge. 16 Cantaloupes Arizona, Group B Colorado, 2 $118.03 $110.00 16 Cantaloupes Arizona, Group B Illinois 127.36 125.00 16 Cantaloupes Arizona, Group B Louisiana 126.74 130.00 16 Cantaloupes Arizona, Group B Massachusetts 145.61 145.00 16 Cantaloupes Arizona, Group B Minnesota (1) 128.52 125.00 16 Cantaloupes Arizona, Group B Missouri (1-3-4) 124.09 125.00 16 Cantaloupes Arizona, Group B New York (1) 134.69 135.00 16 Cantaloupes Arizona, Group B New York (2) 144.48 140.00 16 Cantaloupes Arizona, Group B Pennsylvania (1) ; 136.44 135.00 16 Cantaloupes Arizona, Group B Pennsylvania (2-3-4) 145.56 140.00 Average 136.23 133.57 Entire movement year 1917 based on 1918 ice costs. 17-A Cantaloupes Nevada, Group B Colorado (2) 117.03 105.00 17-A Cantaloupes Nevada, Group B Illinois 144.55 120.00 go 17-.\ Cantaloupes Nevada, Group B Massachusetts 159.88 140.00 CO 17-A Cantaloupes Nevada, Group B Minnesota (1) 147.56 120.00 17-A Cantaloupes Nevada, Group B Nebraska (1) 131.02 115.00 17-A Cantaloupes Nevada, Group B New York (2-3-4) 156.60 135.00 17-A Cantaloupes Nevada, Group B Pennsylvania (1) 152.54 130.00 17-A Cantaloupes Nevada, Group B Average 143.65 123.00 All shipments last half each month, year 1918, based on 1918 ice costs. 22 Green Fruit and Berries Oregon, Group A Colorado (2) 82.44 80.00 22 Green Fruit and Berries Oregon, Group A Illinois 99.78 95.00 22 Green Fruit and Berries Oregon, Group A Louisiana 129.63 105.00 22 Green Fruit and Berries Oregon, Group A Massachusetts 116.72 115.00 22 Green Fruit and Berries ... .Oregon, Group A Missouri (1-3-4) 107.66 95.00 22 Green Fruit and Berries Oregon, Group A Nebraska (1) 88.54 90.00 22 Green Fruit and Berries Oregon, Group A New York (1) 116.63 105.00 22 Green Fruit and Berries Oregon, Group A New York (2-3-4) 116.00 110.00 22 Green Fruit and Berries Oregon, Group A Pennsylvania (1) 112.46 105.00 22 Green Fruit and Berries Oregon, Group A Pennsylvania (2-3-4) 120.46 110.00 22 Green Fruit and Berries Oregon, Group A Average 111.22 105.36 witness: R. C. DEARBORN. All shipments last half each month, year 1918, based on 1918 ice costs. Cost of Proposed Ex. No. Commodity Origin. Destination. Service. Charge. 23 Apples Oregon, Group A llinois $77.18 $85.00 23 Apples Oregon, Group A New York (2-3-4) 95.71 100.00 23 Apples Oregon, Group A Average 90.46 95.71 24 Vegetables Oregon, Group A Illinois 87.52 80.00 24 Vegetables Oregon, Group A Louisiana 113.40 90.00 24 Vegetables Oregon, Group A Massachusetts 103.01 100.00 24 Vegetables Oregon, Group A Missouri (1-3-4) 91.67 80.00 24 Vegetables Oregon, Group A Nebraska (1) 70.35 75.00 24 Vegetables Oregon, Group A New York (2-3-4) 103.59 95.00 24 Vegetables Oregon, Group A Pennsylvania (1) 91.85 90.00 24 Vegetables Oregon, Group A Average 93.55 86.59 25 Green Fruit Oregon, Group B Colorado 87.57 75.00 25 Green Fruit Oregon, Group B Illinois 105.41 90.00 25 Green Fruit Oregon, Group B Louisiana 117.09 100.00 25 Green Fruit Oregon, Group B Massachusetts 132.76 110.00 25 Green Fruit Oregon, Group B Minnesota (1) 95.83 85.00 25 Green Fruit Oregon, Group B Missouri (1-3-4) 110.70 90.00 25 Green Fruit Oregon, Group B Nebraska (1) 91.67 85.00 25 Green Fruit Oregon, Group B, New York (1) 116.03 100.00 25 Green Fruit Oregon, Group B New York (2-3-4) 121.00 105.00 25 Green Fruit Oregon, Group B Pennsylvania (1) 107.46 100.00 25 Green Fruit Oregon, Group B Pennsylvania (2-3-4) 124.20 105.00 25 Green Fruit Oregon, Group B Average 106.68 93.55 26 Apples Oregon, B; Washington Colorado (2) 70.52 65.00 26 Apples Oregon, B; Washington Illinois 84.86 80.00 26 Apples Oregon, B; Washington Louisiana 94.24 90.00 26 Apples Oregon, B; Washington Massachusetts 89.24 100.00 26 Apples Oregon, B; Washington. Minnesota (1) 75.64 75.00 26 Apples Oregon, B; Washington Mississippi (1-3-4). 86.70 80.00 26 Apples Oregon, B; Washington Nebraska (1). ' 80.46 75.00 26 Apples Oregon, B; Washington New York (2-3-4) 104.42 95.00 26 Apples Oregon, B; Washington Pennsylvania (1) 84.45 90.00 26 Apples Oregon, B; Washington Pennsylvania (4) 86.29 95.00 26 Apples Oregon, B; Washington Average 92.23 90.34 GO ments of fruits and vegetables and other perishable freight during the calendar year 1014. Fresh Aleats and Poultry, Butter and Fruits and Packing Game and Causes Cheese Eggs Vegetables House Prod. Fish A. Robbery of en¬ tire pkg. . .if 15,1,35.00 $ 5,244.27 ■$ 12,.32.5.4.5 .8 27,312.04 8 4.170.13 B. Other robbery !),754.,34 2.0,33.37 ,32,187.10 32,400.23 7,208.00 C. Concealed loss 2,.307.00 1,9.58.44 5,510.00 8,500.08 1,580.87 D. Unlocated loss of entire pUg. 120,1.30.44 00,.590.08 1,84,8.30.77 219 045.25 27,340.13 E. Other unlocated loss 10,002.92 10.78.3.23 09,301.84 44,32.5.44 10.4.32.32 F. Fire 3.31,5.00 1,944.10 13,,809.95 3.820.91 209.35 G. Wrecks 12,085.00 21,085.15 130 378..34 187,,82.5.00 1,8.8(19.89 II. Concealed dam¬ age 2,101.22 20,271.02 8,732.75 3,570.50 1.089.78 I. Defective equip¬ ment 0,328.04 17,7.54.31 .54,090.78 17,180.13 .3.841.45 J. Errors of em¬ ployes 9,708.04 10,04.3.18 1.30,.521.54 32.270.,88 1.5..300.,83 K. Rough handling of cars .... 27,7.38.40 211,001.90 .390.440.83 40.307.85 19.209.2,8 E. Improper refrig¬ eration & ven¬ tilation .... 40.010.72 38.8.37.30 0.50,531.35 178.27.5.45 41..505.35 M. Improper handling, loading or stowing and improi)er ])ackiug and pkgs. of freight. . . . 14,232.72 31,297.00 84.223.00 27.501.50 5.717.01 N. Delays 29,574.12 20,480.4,3 510,722.11 140.!X)3..57 02.885.70 0. Unlocated dam¬ age .50.124.00 327.477.20 49,8,.501..59 80,032.72 40.O.5O.29 P. Forfeitures un¬ der penalty statutes . . . 4.31 1.240.22 350.50 5.90 Q. Amount recovered from sale of refused and unclaimed freight {Cred¬ it) 30.348.12 102.50.5..5.5 114.020.95 31.201 .,82 12.001.90 IÎ. Total (Net).. if323.501.87 if080.347.27 .82.087,303.30 .81.031.033.01 )f"-'48.440.08 S. Katio of amount paid on each commodity to total payments on all commod¬ ities .000% 2.120% 8.300% 3.180% .707% Grand total )K'rishable .$ 4,077.38.3.00 Grand totjil ratio of ])prishal)le to total 1,7.372% Number of carriers reixu'ting ISO Number of miles ojieratod by carriers reporting 227.884 Grand totai amount paid on all commodities 32.370,017.55 80 E. F. McPIKE'S EXHIBIT NO. 65. (Based on records of American Bailwav Association.) COMPAKATIVE StATEJIEKT OF Cl.AIMS FOR I.OSS AND DAMAGE TrESENTED AGAINST American Carriers During the Calendar Years 1914 and 1915. The grand total payments for alleged loss or damage to all coiniiiodities by 112 railroads operating 212,191 miles, were as follows: ,1131,010,543.00 24,200,024.00 Decrease 1! 7,020.,510.00 (23.9%) These comparisons are shoivn by commodities for 20 large roads whose pay¬ ments represent a little over one third of the total paid by all roads reporting, aiid for perishable freight show the following : 1014 1015 Decrease Commodity Amount Per cent Amount Per cent Amount Per cent Butter and cheese ? 101,012 0.03 $ 78,707 0.90 $ 22,005 22.54 Kggs 107,007 1.54 213,810 2.45 *40,209 *27.57 Fresh fruits and veg¬ etables 017,102 8.-10 008,703 10.42 8.309 0.02 ileats and packing¬ house provisions . . . 308,.540 2.83 240,181 2.70 08,305 22.10 Poultry, game and fish . 00.811 0.01 57,4.50 0.05 0,,3.55 14.00 Total ,8 1,501,738 14.31 $ 1,498,023 17.18 $ 02,815 4.02 Other commodities 0.351.001 85.00 7.214.777 82.82 2.1,30.284 22.85 Total .1110,012,70!.) 100.00 ,88,71,3,700 100.00 82,100,099 20.15 3'he increase in payments on eggs is attributable to special conditions which contributed to bring about a teiniiorar.v accumulation of such claims in 1914, so that the final ad.1ustment thereof was unavoidably deferred until 1915. With the exception, therefore, of fresh fruits and vegetables, the above figures indicate a material improvement or general reduction as to claims for loss or dam- ag to perishable freight handled by the 20 railroads in question. The heavy claims for alleged loss or damage to fresh fruits and vegetables are, it is believed, due very largely to causes in the prevention of which the carriers Mill reipiire ver.v close co-oiieration by the shippers themselves in the M-ay of better lireiiaration, pacUiipg. loading. stoMing. stripping and bracing, as M-ell as reasonable and definite hilling Instructions Mith the shipment as to the desired refrigeration. icln.g. non-icing, ventilation or other special service authorized by the tariffs applicable. Increase. 81 E. F. McPIKE'S EXHIBIT No. 66. In re Various Rules in Proposed Perishahle Protective Tariff No. 1, Providing for Transportation Solely at Otvner's Risli of Loss or Damage hy Heat or Cold, Not the Result of Neg¬ ligence by Carriers. Many of the current tariffs on perishable freight now in effect in various sections of the country have long contained certain rules providing for owner's risk of loss or damage by heat or cold not the result of negligence by carriers. In the work of co-ordinating and unifying all the tariff rules Avhich was undertaken by the committee compiling proposed Perishable Protective Tariff No. 1 it was considered that it is proper and necessary to continue in the proposed new tariff some rules of the general character first above men¬ tioned. In doing this, however, the committee endeaA'ored at the same time to safeguard the legitimate interests of the shippers by inserting in the general application clause of the tariff'. Item No. 20, paragTajfii (D), a special provision to the effect that nothing in the tariff shall relieve the carriers from such liability as may rest upon them for loss or damage re¬ sulting from carrier's negligence. See JMcPike's Exhibit No. 4. The carriers take the position that Avhile the existing laws applicable do no doubt sufficiently define the liability of a carrier for any loss or damage "caused by it," yet the laws, are not equally explicit in their definition of owner's risk under conditions or circumstances where the carriers could not reasonably be expected to assume liability and where no doubt the assumption of liability by carriers Avould create discrimination and in some cases would result in virtual con¬ fiscation of carriers' proper revenues. The carriers further understand that there is nothing in any of the provisions of current laws or statutes Avhich Avould deprive carriers of their laAvful right to prescribe reasonable conditions surrounding the acceptance and handling of per¬ ishable freight, owing not oidy to its inherent nature but also to the fundamental duty of the shipper to prepare such freight properly and adequately to permit of its safe trans¬ portation. The carriers consider it to be obvious that the shippers of perishable freight must assume their fair share 82 of the responsibility attaching to the forwarding and move¬ ment thereof, Avithont, hoAvever, relieving the carriers from AA'hatever liability may rest npoii them for negligence. "While in the previous exhibits presented by the present AA'itness it has not been practicable to analyze the above mat¬ ter in detail in each and cAmry rule Avherein the term "oAvn- er's risk" may occur, such detailed explanation and justifica¬ tion Avas presented by the present Avitness in several of his individual exhibits involving the above matter.