BX 9A22 .L66 Long, Harry Alfred. Calvinism popularized ■v/ CALVINISM POPULAEISED CALVINISM POPULlRlSlD THE FIVE POINTS CARBONISED IN A SERIES OF DISCUSSIONS WITH ENQUIRERS OR OPPONENTS *) BY THE PROTESTANT CHAMPION. OF SCOTLAND H. A. LONG AUTHOR OF "THE NAMES WE BEAR, "COSMOGONY," ETC. I GIVE UNTO MY SHEEP ETERNAL LIFE." Hontron JAMES NISBET & CO. 21 BERNERS STREET 1895 CONTENTS DEDICATORY LETTER ..... THE DOGMA OF TOTAL DEPRAVITY WHAT IS A FREE GOSPEL ? .... EXTENT OF THE ATOXEMEXT AND KIXDRED TOPICS THE BABES ....... THE DIVINITY OF JESUS ..... THE ORIGIX OF EVIL ..... PAGE vii I 26 52 84 107 136 DEDICATOKY LETTER TO THE WORKING MEN'S EVANGELISTIC ASSOCIATION OF GLASGOW Fellow-Dwellers in Christ and Workers for Him, — Having of a long time shared your hopes of reaching the golden shore and spending with Jesus Heaven's endless noon, I think my privilege is to write something for your upbuilding in the Beloved, which must prove more enduring than passing sermons delivered among you for a generation. I cannot enlarge the boundaries of Christian knowledge — that is given to few — but I may, by Divine aid, make plainer certain blessed truths concerning His kingdom, which, if duly apprehended, the Sabbath of God is perfected in the soul of man. That I may make clear these intentions, and accomplish this great end, it is necessary to say somewhat of the Lord's dealings with myself, His raising me from the Adamic pit, and causing my erring feet to walk the narrow path towards Sion's sacred top. About fifty years since (March 1846) it pleased Him to reveal Himself as my Redeemer. From the time the convictions of God were upon me until I found relief was but a few days, during which I did little else than weep and groan. Divine joy was shed through my heart while agonising at 11 p.m. on the Lord's Day. No text was impressed upon me ; I realised nothing other than this — black anguish was away, and my soul flooded with strange joy. This I understood to intimate pardon. That joy continued with intervals for a fortnight, being at times such as to oblige my walking to and fro praising God, for I could not sit. About a month after I was thrown into distress through a companion, who apparently started for the kingdom with me, falling away. My fear was that I would too. When wrestling with the Angel He sweetly said, " Through much tribulation thou shalt enter the kingdom." That was my first telegram from Heaven, and I understood Him to mean I shall reach the viii DEDICATORY LETTER skies, though suffering grievously by the way. Amidst the mani- fold changes of life, I have experienced the latter part of the promise, and hope still the truth of the former. Strange to tell, for seven years I went into a stage of experience seeming to belie that. Such was the duration of my servitude under Moses. Though never questioning ultimate safety then or since, I was tried with a sense of endless defects, and groaned under miserable shortcomings, so that sometimes I dared not partake of the Lord's Supper for a year. I could not find my title-deeds, through seeking them down amongst the rubbish of my life instead of in His holy life and atoning death. I looked hard down instead of belie vingly up. A deliverer came to my rescue. When visiting . Luton Beds, I met with a man of God, a bonnet-block maker, who showed me that justification was in Christ, the Lord my righteousness, wherefore I needed no other to obtain Heaven's favour ; that He was the Sun of Righteousness ; as the sun imparts light to the dark planet, so He righteousness to un- righteous souls. Hence Paul says (2 Cor. v. 21), "For God made Him (to be) sin for us, who knew no sin ; that we might be made (not make ourselves) the righteousness of God (not righteous, but, the strongest expression thinkable) in Him," not in ourselves. That righteousness being in Him we are not conscious of it, but know it by revelation, which guides God's people into all necessary truth. That night a soul was free. From then I have not doubted acceptance in Christ one hour. Soon after I suffered a dangerous illness. When recovering, an aged countryman of the old school said, " So you are raised up. They say you were near Jordan's brink. How did you feel in view of baptism in its cold dark flood 1" I answered, "Feel? What do you mean?" He replied, "Why, all God's people are exercised severely in changing worlds, fear to launch away." I rejoined, "It is not pleasant to differ from them, but I had no such experience, being assured that I am His, living or dying, for this world or that." I found myself a speckled bird, it being thought orthodox to have hopes and fears, of which latter I had had enow. I could not plead them truthfully, nor be wholly silent as to gracious dealings, lest His grace should be veiled to a brother whom I might, if faithful, be instrumental in leading into freedom. Hereby I was taught that in one form we are slaves of Satan, then servants of Moses, and then conscious sons of the Lord God, ex-residenters of the City of Destruction, burgesses of the new Jerusalem. Seven years after meeting my emancipator at Luton I passed through a new phase of experience. DEDICATORY LETTER ix was instructed more perfectly in the way of salvation. The occasion was this : I was led, to ponder deeply on : "I give (not ofifer) unto My sheep (not all flesh) eternal life (which is irre- vocable) ; and (consequently) they shall never perish." Cogitat- ing on this, I saw by Spirit-light that for fourteen years I had taken wrong views of redemption's plan, looking at it in the light of relationship to God, not His to me, tracing all to repentance, faith, and attempted obedience. I now saw these were due to His relationship to me ; my penitential sighs, tears, and cries were but an outpouring of His Spirit inly urging, all unwittingly to me. His love was seen to be father of mine. I slowly realised love immense, unsought compassion beyond degree. Previously I looked upon the Blessed as generally interested in me, I being of Adam's race, until my rebelling ceased and His favour was sought, when His interest deepened into approbation. It was now revealed that Jehovah rejoiced over me before the first angel broke the solemn quietude of eternity by harp and voice uttering joy to God. I was found of Him whom I sought not. It seemed before that God made a general offer of pardon, and I had the sense to accept it, but now saw that He no more offered life spiritual than life natural. The Father, before time was, gave me a place in His heart, the Son gave Himself for me in time, the Holy Ghost gave Himself to me for ever. The Triune determined before the mountains raised their awful peaks into the solitudes of an unpeopled earth to add poor sinful, stupid me to His diaspora, the dispersed amongst the generations of men and nations unto ingathering, when He reappears to collect into upper Canaan. In calculating the duration of His love I erred by a past eternity. How thrice blessed to hear a voice say : ''I have loved thee with an everlasting love." Dates, calculations, chronology all flee, like shadows at sunrise, when the voice Divine so speaks. I saw dateless love ungraduated, that He loved in Christ, and not more now I knew Him than when I ignored Him, or only thought evil of my Lord. This new view streamed through my spirit with bliss passing the understanding of those who knew it not by blessed impartation. It seemed the quint- essence of grace, the ultimate refinement of affection. To hear my Lord in prayer say, " Thou lovedst Me before the foundation of the world," and prostrate behind Him whisper — And Me — is indeed being co-heir with Christ, rejoicing in God's almighty favour with a gladness Heaven may equal, but not excel. Thence I realise oweness with my Lord, the power of His atonement in a manner before unthought of. Henceforth life assumed a solemn X DEDICATORY LETTER grandeur, befitting' the pilgrimage of one coming from God to the intent that the circle of life should restore Him to God. The Son consciously comes from the Father, and consciously returns to the Father by the route passing through Bethlehem, Egypt, Galilee, Gethsemane, Gabbatha, Golgotha, to aboriginal glory. Some of the human sons of God unconsciously come from God, but consciously return through devious ways, thorny paths, mountains of offence, and dire straits, but each arrives. The loved, the died for, are kept in the true way, and upborne under its burdens, else unbearable ; for they who sup with Christ on God's eternal love, eat thereof with bitter herbs the world knows not of. There is a secret of bitterness to the redeemed, a drink- ing of Marah that acts upon the ransomed as Paul's thorn did, Isgt ther^ ha inn.er^£xaltati©n^eeeBspa*i^^ exultation . The loved and liberated sail in a water-logged ship warranted to reach the Eldorado of the New Jerusalem, because the storm- queller runs out His good ship Salvation ; and seeing the barque Election labouring in the trough of a sea of evils, tows it into the Harbour of Grace, and convoys the ship's company on to Glory. Redemption is a humbling affair — hence man, proud man, prefers works to grace. Many years have since circled by which diminishes the freshness of that feeling, but adds to its precious- ness. Can my reader be surprised I became Calvinistic ? I wondered with anger I deprived myself of so great joy of so long a time, but discovered that Elohim is always revealed to the soul before Jehovah, that God is known in dreadful power before the Lord in His gracious actings. I looked back to that epoch as to a second regeneration, for I found it presenting the Almighty in a more amiable aspect than my previously shallow and narrow theory of acceptance and works, yielding to a general amnesty offer, and then rendering partial obedience, not knowing when legal requirements were satisfied. I sold my inheritance for nothing on this wise. When first united to God's people, I preferred the Arminian view, because of its supposed wider sweep of benevolence. Did it not give every one a chance 1 and ought not every one to have a chance of salvation ? I did not see there can be no chance, and that the word is a veil for ignorance. That all deserve a chance of salvation^ja. as true of a WjorkV^f jiebels as that all convicts ought to have_ii chance of escape. For criminals there is no hope in England save from our Queen through the Home Secretary, and so for sinners there is no >hope but God's mercy through Christ. Criminals have no rights towards her Majesty, sinners none \r\ ygspect to DEDICATORY LETTER xj CT^fT, But this professed liberality deluded me, as though more are saved on the broad gauge of Arminius than on the Calvinistic narrow gauge. I find the number identical upon both systems, but, in verity, not a soul is saved on Arminian principles — salvation by works. That view is not fatal to salvation, the Christian Arminian being saved as all God's ransomed are, without con- sultation from Heaven or effort on his part but misreading the phenomena and feelings that accompany salvation, he fancies he did something. Jesus makes it plain. " Philip iindeth Nathanael, and saith unto him, We have found Jesus. . . . Jesus said unto Nathanael, Before that Philip called thee, when thou wast under the fig-tree, I saw thee." This " I saw thee " is no less than Ezek. xvi. 6, "I passed by thee, and saw thee." He who is the life passed by ISTathanael and said " Live," and then Nathanael showed he was alive by saying, " Rabbi, Thou art the Son of God," but it is possible he might think he initiated arrangements. So our Lord says (John xvi. i6), "Ye have not chosen Me, but I have chosen you." For our choice of Him is not" choosing compared with His choice of us. Before this I fell into ill health, presenting signs of consumption. That illness lasted seven years, during which I reached what was thought the verge of the tomb. One day while walking in Fitzroy Street, Cambridge, I became depressed in fear of non-recovery. Death had no personal terror, but I was distressed in view of kindred. When musing and praying the Spirit said, " With length of days will I satisfy thee, and thine eyes shall see My salvation." Thus I understood I would recover and live to behold our Lord's return, for salvation, life, truth are, in the Kingdom of Christ, a Person. My health was restored, though the scar of affliction remains — hair bleached not by the light of coming eternity, but by pain and travail. Sometimes I embrace that promise of being amongst those who are alive and do remain unto His coming so closely that it becomes a set ex- pectation, then again it sinks into a mere tremulous hope, seeming shockingly absurd, and at times I fear my interpretation was fond, and am compelled to take refuge in, Coine, black Death or bright Lord, thy icill be done. Much of my interest in the Eastern Question arose from knowing, by the programme of prophecy. He cannot reappear until the two anti-Christs, the Papal at Rome on the Tiber, and the Mahometan at Roum on the Bosphorus, lose their political status, preparing the way for the Kings of the East. The Jews must be ingathered to the Land of Promise. They are as prophetic as ever. The Sons of Abraham dispersed among the nations symbolise His spiritual seed distri- xii DEDICATORY LETTER buted according to the dualism of God's mysterious economy. They are scattered in unbelief and still shadow believers, they will be gathered in unbelief and so become the last sign the Bridegroom gives before the marriage supper. Jerusalem de- stroyed prefigured that of the world, their ingathering ours. I have no ambition to impart these views to my brethren compared with anxiety to emancipate them from Arminianism by showing the fulness of the substitutionary work of Jesus. I write to be instrumental in guiding some brother into that higher Christian life. Any day during my first seven years of religious life had I been asked, Whether would you die while laughing, sleeping, or praying ? I should have said, I dare not die laughing, should not like to die sleeping, but would fain die when engaged in devotional exercises. This came of believing in frames, feelings, and nonsense about preparing ourselves for death, not seeing that man is prepared by a Divine unrepeatable act ; he is saved once for all, for ever and ever. Either his sins are forgiven past, present, and to come, should he live ; or he is unsaved, having the guilt of life upon his soul. Any man is either as sinless before God as Michael, or all his sins are upon him. We must be in Christ or in our sins, in the ark or in the flood, clothed with the seamless robe of Christ's absolute righteousness or naked, the prophecy of everlasting shame on our part and contempt on the part of the ransomed. I write as a patriot as well as a believer. Will our great empire decay, as did that of Nebuchadnezzar, Darius, Alexander, Csesar ? Britain has fifty colonies, some of them superior in resources as to men and money, skill and acreage, to herself of 500 years ago. Will Britannia yet sit in the dust as shieldless as the captive daughter of Judah ? as shipless as Tyre ? as uncolonial as Austria ? Never ! Former civilisa- tions decayed, for they w^ere only material like the Assyrian, or material and mental like the Greek, whereas our empire adds to the grandeur of matter and the splendour of mind the more excelling glory of morality. To us pertains the supreme honour of being civilisers, emancipators, educators. We take with us the steam-engine, and collegiate institutions follow. On our human- ising line of march slaves are transformed into freemen, and cannibals into citizens. Our very language is identified with freedom, elevation, purity. Years since I was thrilled by hearing my Lord say to the Church in Ephesus, " I will remove thy candle- stick." Then years after I gazed with awe upon the Ephesian sculptures. He did not put out the candle, that is not His wont, but removed it to Britain. Nay, I sincerely believe, and boldly DEDICATORY LETTER xiii affirm, when Jesus threatened the Jews, saying, "The kingdom of Heaven shall be taken from you and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits of it," He meant ours. He did not say Gentiles, i.e., all nations but one. As the latter prophets refused to recognise any political division of Abraham's sons into ten tribes and two, but always spoke of the twelve tribes of Israel, so we recognise no Atlantic, refuse to see our American brethren as anything else than one with us. To Britannia and Fredonia one dispensation is committed — to supersede the savage by civilisa- tion, to irradiate the else dark by education, to display the Book, and spread widely the bloodstained banner of the Lamb. So doing, the star of our race shall not fade until the Day Star reappear to Bethlehemise the earth with millennial glory. While our people bless Ethiopia with Livingstonias and Lovedales, feed the starving sons of Sinim, and say to the Japanese, " Behold your God ! " One will watch over British interests Who will not suffer our flag to be trailed. Holding that Calvinism energises the profession of Christianity, I write to strengthen the hand of my countrymen. Christ said, " My strength is made perfect in weakness." I write that fellow- believers may see they are as weak as the dead, that they be strengthened by Him Who is the Life. Then, and then only, will they do great things and suffer much for Him and His, Who forfeited for a time the adoration of angels that He might companionise with men for ever. I write as a Liberationist, that my brother-believer may not be in bondage to Moses longer than spiritual training demands, but most, that he subject not himself to an error fatal when trusted by the unconverted, and painful when believed by the child of God — justification wholly or partially by works. Salvation, like resurrection, is entirely a Divine act wrought upon an absolutely passive subject. When Abel is called by Christ from his prim- eval tomb, he may as well demand a share in the forthputting of resurrection power as the regenerated man claim spiritual action. Though man is a conscious, moral, and intellectual agent, before receiving the new birth he receives life eternal without consulta- tion. This we engage to show. I pray that the Lord God whom I daily serve and dimly see may have yours and you in His holy keeping, that your families may arrive when the voyage of life is at an end, and our mortal affliction is past, at that continent of the blessed which men call Heaven. P.S. — And now grief and strange pains possess my soul at the completion of this last act for the people who love me so well. xiv DEDICATORY LETTER Little wonder Long is Calvinistic, a believer in unbroken streams of grace upon grace, as unsought as undeserved. Glasgow bestowed upon me 471,700 votes, a plurality that exceeding the number devoted to any other man under the British Crown, and yet my destiny is to leave the city of my adoption, nay, the city which adopted me, my true metropolis — mother-city — leave her in the knowledge that no other community will do as kindly, bear my blundering and stumbling with such tender consideration, that no other community can impart honours so high and so unique. Then why leave ? In 1886 I was sent for to Queensland to attack the infidel party, as we had no man in that colony willing and able to face the black ranks of professed atheism. Having completed my engagement, and being about to leave, the Brisbane people said, " Stay with us ; years ago politicians deprived our Public Schools of the use of the Bible, so secularising the instruction given to our children. Experience proves this acts badly. We want a man to organise our voting and lead our agitation that may ultimate in the Queensland Parliament rein- stating the Scriptures. We shall never rest until the Bible reoccupies its place of honour in the schools of our adopted country, and we think you are the man to bring this about." I replied, " Impossible. My call now is to work in and for Glasgow. I cannot do what I like, but must obey my Lord's providential guidance. The time may come when I shall be free, and if so, D.V., I will come." That call thrilled my spirit, and burned into my memory. Weighing the matter over, I resolved that if God preserved me until I passed the boundary of Moses, " three score years and ten," the remnant of the balance between that and Christ reappearing, or my departure, should be sacrificed to this ennobling work. I landed on the shores of Scotland at Leith, June 4, 1847, so that by the period of my leaving, March 1896, having rounded my time circle, the privilege of knowing and serving Glasgow will be fully mine. Thereafter should my Lord prosper this last of many campaigns, allow me the high honour of placing the Won Book at His dear feet and lowly whisper, " Master, the children have it," I shall drink joy in equal that of the banqueters at the marriage supper on the plains of Heaven. I knew not God until twenty years of age, so that I could not dedicate youth to His sweet service, did not serve under the morning star of earth, but may have the deeper joy of serving under the evening star of Heaven while on my way to the starless shore. So then this one thing I do, in that ambition forsake friends dearer than eye?, whose faces are to me glints DEDICATORY LETTER xv and glimpses of " over there," leave my native island home, that other Palestine, greatest of all He raised from the ocean, now shielding the dust of my sacred dead, who wait the midnight cry, ''Go ye out to meet Him." The curtain of night falls so gently on this fair isle, that we are prepared for stellar glory above or sweet repose below ; but yonder there is little gloaming, the chariot of the sun plunging into the Indian Ocean, and forth- with darkness veils the land : howbeit, a new pleasure is reserved. I shall know that his faded fire is speeding to shine into the homes where my old companions dwell. I urge my way to the Australian isle, where there is little gloaming, heading on to Canaan, where there is none — trysting place that in the finalities of our being, where all who have done or suffered a little for Jesus, there recommence the friendships begun here. There I shall meet old comrades of the sacramental army with whom I kept step half a century, stand hand in hand with them on the shore of the jasper sea ! In that blissful anticipation we go " toiling on, toiling on," praying and struggling forward, now giving my last salutation, entreating " God be loith you till we meet again.^^ I remain, Brother workers in the Lord, yours ever, H. A. LONG. 52 Jane Street, Glasgow, Sept. 1894. OALVmiSl POPULARISED Time. — MONDAY, Seven o'clock p.m. Place.— GAOL SQUAEE. Persons. He. An Ultramontane op the most Unbending Type. I. A Pronounced Calvinist. Disputation. The Dogma of Total Depravity. He. It strikes me you were giving out your average trash when pretending to preach yesterday on the doctrine of man's total depravity. I soon heard enough, and walked away, blessing my stars for freedom. Can anything be more absurd than to say an innocent of a year old is as depraved as an aged vixen ? /. You are objecting to the child's character being depraved, but I was speaking of its nature. Nature is the root of nha.rart.ftr . My contention is, that if no counteracting force be brought to bear upon that child's nature, years hence its character will be bad. I do not 'mean socially, but spiritually ; so that as it grows towards manhood there will be no preference of Divine worship over ordinary pleasures ; in fact, the child, without conversion, will be carnal, and therefore live sinfully — be a God hater. He. Oh, I see; you mean the child must be educated, to which no one objects. A 2 CALVINISM POPULARISED I. I mean more. So great is the natural bias towards for- bidden things, that take two bands of children of a year old, place them one hundred baby strong under teachers and nurses of this kind — one tries to corrupt their morals, while the other endeavours to make them religious ; the former succeeds to a child, but the latter only in a percentage. Thus, children in low neighbourhoods quickly pick up bad language and greedily be- come base, whereas the offspring of careful parents have to be guarded from bad example continually, and even then many do not turn out as they ought. Man is the most imitative of all animals, yet is slow to imitate the great and the good, but quick to copy their opposites. Put the life of Dick Turpin and the biography of Howard into the hands of a hundred boys aged twelve, and whether of the twain will they go in for ? He. We know all that, but it's for want of judgment. /. By no means. Their abili ty to- ]' ad rrn i^ snffim'pTif,, hnf, if, ia wRrp^d bv love of ev il. Man's heart guides his head for better or worse. If those boys were righteous by nature, they would instantly condemn the robber and applaud the philanthropist. That a Romanist should object to this doctrine is odd. You are taught that unless the child is baptized it is not worthy of your Church, being in a state of nature. If that is not teaching a child is sinful before it does anything, what can be 1 He. But totally depraved is another matter. Am I to think that a crack in a pane is all one with its being smashed 1 that a slight stain on your shirt front is as bad as its being black 1 I. If a pane be cracked or a front stained, we cannot rest in it as when whole and clean. If, then, we demand perfection in glass and linen, shall not God demand it in men and angels ? Our English word holy explains all. It is like to icliolly. What- soever was given to God was wholly given ; in dedication, no part was for the benefit of the dedicator. Hence God commands, Exod. XX. 25 — " If thou wilt make Me an altar of stone, thou shalt not build it of hewn stone : for if thou lift up thy tool upon it, thou hast polluted it." The altar could not be holy to God if part were hewed off, as then He would not wholly get it. Our Creator cannot go shares with guilty creatures, as that equalises Him. Samson might not cut his hair, for the Nazarite must be holy to the Lord, wholly His, all his body. Ananias perished through keeping back part of the dedicated thing, and Achan was stoned for a similar reason. Had Samson not been a very child of God, he would have suffered death, not blindness; punishment, not chastisement. CALVINISM POPULARISED 3 He. Well, so much the worse for us. What chance would a man have of going to heaven after living wickedly ? Such non- sensical teaching destroys the virtue of repentance. /. Don't talk of men going to heaven, a thing that never happens. All who enter are taken, save our Lord. Going to heaven is fictional, Arminian ; being taken, caught away, is Cal- vinistic, and true penitents are made anew, so that He who bought them wholly has them holy. "If any man is in Christ Jesus, he is a new creation." Similarly the Lord Jesus cannot take possession of our earth where sin, Satan, and suffering have long been, because He would so share it with that wicked one. Seeing, then, God must have the whole creature, and the baby over whom we are fighting has a nature that cannot please God, He must totally reject him. David says, " I was shapen in iniquity," and Paul, " They that are in the flesh cannot please God." How can God regard favourably this imperfect thing ? The Scriptures say, " The carnal mind is enmity against God," and your Church says the unbaptized bairn is not good enough for her, and you think it good enough for the Head of the Church ! ! He. You cannot talk rationally, of which that rigmarole is proof. Does not Christ say, " Suffer little children to come unto Me, and forbid them not, for of such is the kingdom of heaven ? " and again, " Except ye be converted and become as a little child, ye shall in no wise enter therein ? " If we become little children to be saved, how can infants be sinners ? 7. As for Jesus saying, "Suffer little," &c., amongst Jews children were not, and are not, allowed to take part in worship, until twelve. As children were not allowed in synagogue or Temple until twelve past, lest they should disturb worship, through not appreciating its solemnity, a notion arose that children should not worship. Hence, when Jesus entered the Temple at twelve there was no getting Him out. He had not been since Simeon took Him in his arms and blessed God for the sight. That perverted tradition was opposed to Spirit teaching by David : " Out of the mouths of babes and sucklings Thou hast perfected praise." The highest form of service, the most accept- able worship, is rendered to God by regenerate children. Mark ix. 42, " Whosoever shall offend one of these little ones that believe in Me," &c. Hence, when our Saviour rode into Jerusalem the Spirit was poured upon such, and they chanted Hosannahs, which proves that when juveniles were invited by Him, and He said " Forbid them not," He not only referred to disciples 4 CALVINISM POPULARISED ordering mothers to remove children, but more, alluded to that evil custom of prohibiting early service in spite of His promise, " They that seek Me early shall find Me," and then presented Himself as the object of adoration. Every man acquainted with Eastern customs and the promptings of nature, would expect the narrative to add, aJid kissed them, but Christ never kissed man, woman, or child. Laban embraced Jacob and kissed him (Gen. xxix. 13), Paul embraced the Ephesian disciples (Acts xx. i), but Jesus embraced none. That invitation is a claim to Divine worship. When Jehovah revealed Christ He said, " Let all the angels of God worship Him." All means every angel then or now existing ; " Suffer little children to come unto Me " is equivalent to saying. Let any child through the ages and nations serve Me, Samuel like, as early as it will. Hence the evolution of Sabbath-schools. He. Well, and what about it ? You fail to look at the ques- tion of command, to become as a little child. I. But I was doing so just as you stopped me. This view does not favour children being good from birth. Noah is called righteous, though Paul says, "There is none righteous, no, not one," and yet there is no contradiction, for Noah was such com-^ pared with the Antediluvians ; but God requires absolute perfec- tion, not relative. We prefer a cracked pane to a broken one. Noah was a cracked pane where the rest were smashed. An ordinary child believes what its father says without reasoning as to probability — is obedient — devoid of ambition — has no social pride. An aristocratic child aged four plays with any child, but at fourteen will not, and at twenty- four knows only the elite. Therefore, we do well to become as little children in respect to these points ; but He did not extend His statement to their nature, expressly saying, " Ye must be born again." Demand more, and you affirm that every child born of heretics or savages is taken to heaven without baptism. Why, you people heaven not with Catholics so much as heathen children. Have a care as to this amazing liberality. When more liberal than his Holiness, you may be a trifle fast. Besides, how you can imagine that Christ and Pope agree about children is amazing. He. Why ? They seem identical in their teaching thereupon. I. Monstrous ! Your Church teaches that every child is pos- sessed of a devil, so that one portion of your Baptismal Service is Exorcism, the priest casting out the devil. In doing so he puts salt in its mouth. If every child has a devil in him until salted, how could Jesus say, " Suffer little children to come unto CALVINISM POPULARISED $ Me " ? At that time baptism was not instituted, and so the children were unbaptized. When Rome makes infants de- moniacs, why object to Calvin affirming their depraved nature ? He does not go half the distance of the Pope. He. Well, well ! I often hear you meddling and muddling with things above your capacity, and you are at your old practice. /. Be it so, only let me add the perfection of praise comes from children, as with them there is more spontaneity, less arti- ficiality. They do not pray by rite, rule, canonical hours, but worship as they laugh, cry, or sleep. He. How does that square with your doctrine of depravity 1 I. Their service is supernatural, of grace, of the Spirit working in the young heart, for of regenerate children I speak. To me, one of the most charming portions of God's evangel is contained in these words of Elizabeth the aged : " The babe leaped in my womb for joy." The accord of the unborn with the coming in- carnation proves that John was born again before born of his mother. He received the Holy Ghost without his co-action, so the Spirit may be given to a babe in the bosom of its mother or in the cradle of its nurse. This is my hope for five loved ones of ours who died in infancy. " Except a man be born again he cannot see the kingdom of heaven," applies equally to them as to us. They cannot be regenerated except by passively receiving the Spirit. Indeed this is my chief hope in relation to the heathen. A dying pagan may, for aught we know, receive the Spirit whereby comes salvation, and that in the very article of death. Deny that, and you destroy all hope of heathens being saved. He. Not at all. If they live up to their light they will be saved, being judged by their law, not ours, of Avhich they are ignorant. /. Little comfort in that doctrine for pagans, as Paul says, <' By the deeds of law (any law) shall no flesh living be justified," which bangs the door of the ark of salvation in the face of every heathen who seeks entry through obedience. Tell me, honestly, are you satisfied when at day's decline you think over what you have said or done, and what you failed to do and say that would have improved on the actual 1 He. Well, I don't say I am quite, but another may be. 7. But I, a Protestant, have the same experience as you, a Papist. The only case where this does not hold good is with {I self-righteous Pharisee, who, of all men, is most abhorred in 6 CALVINISM POPULARISED heaven. I therefore put my hope for infants on the same footing that I do the salvability of pagans — their receiving the Spirit apart from works and not by reason of ceremonies per- formed, even as John was uncircumcised and unbaptized when he rejoiced. He. But heathens have done wickedly and are impenitent, whereas the infant cannot personally transgress. /. What of that ? Men are not forgiven because they repent, but repent because they are forgiven. He. I must be candid. You have said nothing yet to show me that horrid doctrine of depravity. /. Well, take this argument. In Mark's account of our Lord's transfiguration, he tells of a man who brought his boy to the nine apostles at the mountain foot to be healed, he being a demoniac. Naturally they could not heal him, for "Without Me ye can do nothing," and He was on the hill. When the Lord arrived, " He asked his father. How long is it ago since this came unto him ? And he said, Of a child." Now, on the principle of like to like, an unclean spirit could not enter a holy being. The fact of this child being a demoniac shows that children are by nature depraved. He. That will never do. The child was simply insane. /. The evangelists are against you. Moreover, who ever heard of insane children. They may be imbecile, idiotic, or of unsound mind, but not insane ! I don't think you will find one insane person under twelve in Gartnavel. But if Mark does not convince you, let Moses try. In Lev. xii. you find that a woman bringing forth a male child might touch no hallowed thing for a long time, and was to offer an atonement in respect to maternity. Until th ft t'i^pi ^f b^^T' pnrifinf^^ti nn was accomplished she was not allowed to enter oratory, synagogue, nor Temple. If that did not show children need the new birth, what could ? Nay more, it showed that the mother added another sinner to our race, which is at war with God, as the fallen angels are. He. Well, but that was Jewush, and is no longer obligatory. /. It is God's dealing with the then best people in the world. If it held good with them, how much more with Gentiles. Let me ask you this, did Jesus die for children ? He. Not as children, yet dying for all, He died for them. /. He did not die for holy angels, nor holy anything. They being atoned for argues guilt. He. But I don't see the guilt. Not in their bodies, because that would make sin material, and I see no mind for the sin to be in. CALVINISM POPULARISED 7 /. Why, it lies in their nature and relationship. A tiger is an evil beast. I have a cub on my knee. It is ten days old. How pretty ! Where is its bloodthirsty propensity ? When Nana Sahib was on his mother's breast, what folly to say He can never play the tiger. He. He was led away of example, and after all was only doing what his ancestors did in like circumstances. /. But we go by taste. Had he not liked those examples, he would not prove so apt a scholar. He. Yes, but you must not set down every innocent as Nana. /. Nor do I intend. I only show that man's nature is corrupt, ^ quick to learn evil, but in studying good, slow at the uptake. God schooled Israel forty years in the wilderness, and they mutinied, rioted, rebelled. Jesus taught the twelve for three years, and they continually blundered. He. That may all be so, and yet it does not show that an infant is a sinner. /. Perhaps not, but it does show the /acf, if not the liow ; you have the trutlii if not the mode. He. I am not so sure of that. Sin can't be material, and God is the Father of spirits ; seeing, then, the spirit of the child comes from God, it comes pure. Where, then, can be stain of sin ? I. Man is tri-partite, consisting of body, soul, and spirit, coming from God directly or indirectly. Body and soul come from parents, but the spirit from Him. Suppose I have a sponge, the pores of which are partially filled with strychnia ; pure milk is poured on to the sponge until saturated, would you care to take a squeeze of that milk which before was pure 1 Had posterity been given to Adam when upright, it would partake of his moral rectitude as well as his bodily immortality, but when he fell, his offspring were generated sinful as to soul, and mortal as to body. The spirit coming pure from God into that sin-tainted body, becomes sinful by union therewith, con- substantial. That agrees with what Moses says of nature before Eve was built : " Every beast after its kind." Arminians go in with Darwin, that an animal may beget its unlike, whereas Huxley and Tyndal say like comes from like. He. Still that does not show man is utterly depraved. He being so, we should never do right. /. Tfjg__n of. Tnonnf 4:1ml, i r i iiH4-ia inp^f^p^blf? of ^'^i^g ^"y kiT^ d act to'^s fello w- ma n apart from special g ^-^^ft, bnt thn.t hft nan't love God untiTiTafurelsehanged. 8 CALVINISM POPULARISED He, Well, then, you make him irresponsible, for if he can't do it he is not answerable for failure. /. Suppose a man lent me ;^ioo when I was able to repay, but I squandered my means, lost health and character, would he consider I was not his debtor because I could not pay ? He. But, according to you, we did not squander the ability to love God, for we never had it. /. True ; but Adam had, and suicidally parted with it. God deals with the race, a unity, so that we had it in his person. He. Why should I suffer for what another did when I had no control over him, and knew nothing of the matter. /. Yet you expect salvation for what Another suffered, and one transaction is as fair as the other. Do you not see children suffering in mind, body, and circumstance, through parental acts that they were unconsulted about ? He. Yes, but they ought not. /. If you mean parents ought not to do wrong we agree, but if you mean that children ought not to be affected by the deeds of their parents ; then, though parents wrought good for them they could not get it, because they are to be unaffected by parents. He. I didn't say that, but this : children should not suffer for parental acts they have no voice in. /. Which is impossible. In that case, when a father neglected his offspring they would be as well off as when he did his duty, so that should he come home drunk and kick one of them the child would not feel it. Surely you can't mean that ? He. Of course not. I am showing that if a man can't do a thing he is not to blame for not doing it. What would you think of a man who binds another hand and foot, places him in a house, locks the door, sets the house on fire, and then sends men you call evangelists to bid him escape. This is parallel to your system. According to you man can't help himself, the world he's in is to be destroyed, and preachers surround him with exhortations to do what is impossible, " Flee from the wrath to come." I. This does not represent our theology, but caricatures it. Inability is of three kinds : physical, as the lame cannot run ; mental, as when a scholar has not good parts ; and moral, as a thief cannot be honest, or an obstinate boy obedient. A farmer has realised a fortune in Australia, and is coming to end his days on this less island. His ship is breaking up on the Goodwin Sands. He is entreated to enter a lifeboat, but refuses, saying, CALVINISM POPULARISED 9 Better droicn here than be a iiauper over there in old age. His pride will not let him board the boat. Our carnal heart fills us with enmity against God, so that we cannot obey even when His servants entreat us. He. But I deny j^our premise that we cannot keep the com- mandments. Christ says, " If ye love Me, keep My command- ments." If they were not observable, of what use were they 1 You might as well speak of a hammer that could not be used for striking. /. Well, that is strange for a R. C. who says daily "• Forgive us our trespasses," repeatedly goes to confession, useless without something to confess, takes the mass that is called an offering for the sins of the living and the dead, and expects Purgatory. For you to argue ability to keep the commandments is wonder- ful. If you can obey God as to the ten, you are worse than heretics, who say we like to keep them but can't. He. That does not prove your horrible doctrine of depravity. /. When 3^ou believe the mass of humanity are outside of the Church, giving no heed to the commands of Christ's vicar, while the Italian nation, though in the Church, cast him from temporal power into prison, and other Catholic countries do not lift a finger to restore him, how can you do less than believe in man's total depravity ? See the teaching children take to make them go right, the law, police, and punishments needed to keep us right, and then the utter failure of the whole organisation in thousands of cases. When you see the infinite forms of cruelty at home and abroad, the ignorance and selfishness, how can you think man is good ? He. I don't say he is, but only that he is not totally depraved. Surely there is some good in some men, and if any good in any man, then mankind is not wholly depraved. /. We do not say there is no decency, honour, virtue, but no piety. There may be good will towards fellow-men, but none towards God. Truly there is some good in some men, but that makes against you, for they received it when regenerated. Paul says, "In me, that is, in my flesh, dwelleth no good thing." Meaning that nature without grace is bad. When Jesus taught His disciples (Luke xi. 13), this was said: "If ye then, being evil, know how to give good gifts unto your children, how much more shall your heavenly Father give the Holy Ghost to them who ask Him?" These were praying men, God's children by grace, and yet evil by nature. If, then, the ransomed by blood are evil, prayerless men can be no less, and the two cover our race. 10 CALVINISM POPULARISED He. But I can't tolerate that word total. If totally depraved at birth we couldn't grow worse, yet unhappily some do. /. It is not true that if totally depraved we cannot grow worse. Hell is a bottomless pit. The wicked ever wax worse and worse. Satan tempted man six thousand years since, and is doing so. Has he grown no worse than when, imbruted in the snake, he conversed with Eve. A labourer anxious to improve the status of his family, keeps his son to study. His boy becomes a P. T., then a dominie, studies law, and wins a wig. He lives at one end of the town in a villa, and his aged father occupies a cottage at the other. When thoy pace the con docs m ill imi^ii i i w ] ii||i He does not disobey, speak against, nor strike his father, simply treating him as though he had no being. Is it not so with us % After all God has done for us, see the trouble children give before they worship God. We have to train them in schools, Day and Sabbath, by catechism, Bible, written and living examples, and then if prevailed on to fear the Lord we breathe freely. Ducklings swim and puppies bark with less training. Let us learn a lesson from the lunatic asylum. Most lunatics are destructive, fractious, obstinate, and full of diabolical perversity. If we are good naturally, when men become insane they would morally improve, though intellectually deteriorate. What can the wickedness of the insane be due to but that the restraints of common sense and ordinary propriety are withdrawn. When humanity has to be bound with so many fetters, it must be bad. I carefully noted the effects of blindness upon men, to see whether that terrible affliction gave them an upward bend. The inference I draw is that, as a rule, the blind are a little worse than other people. I have not met with two blind men in whose piety I could place confidence. He. So it may be, but not totally so. If an apple had a rotten speck in it, would you say it was just as bad as anothei- rotten to the core ? /. If you presented an apple on a silver salver to a lady, would you take one with a speck ? But go to the old theocratic nation Israel. An Israelite goes to the priest to be examined, who sees one spot of leprosy on the examinee. Does he not proclaim him unclean ? call him a leper ? or, does he wait until the man is dying of the disease before he condemns ? If a man has no love to God in his soul, then he must be totally depraved. You don't see the force of depraved. That word means crooked, perverted. We came from God upright by creation, and should CALVINISM POPULARISED il from birth grow straight up to Him in holiness till we return at the Pearly Gate, but we get a downward twist by the fall, whereby we become froward, fromward, in the wrong direction, with our back to God, and on down we go, stooping into the mire of the broad bad road, refusing to turn. Unless He con- |vert us we die so, hence David says, " Turn thou me and I shall be turned." Thus Paul appositely says, " Ye who were afar off He hath hrought nigh." Not ye came. We are by nature a crab-stick, as crooked as a cork-screw, and all warped to the left. If not so we should see boys and girls gather in groups to worship God, so sweet it would be. He. That don't convince me that men are totally depraved. /. Let us then take the case of your saints, who are the aristocracy of Catholicism. What means their austerities, fast- ing, discipline, keeping the body in subjection, if we are not naturally given to preferring sin to holiness ? You call Pro- testants heretics, as you do Jews, Mahometans, and Pagans, but estimate Romanists as the best in the world. Now it is notorious that a common penance ordered by priests is saying prayers. If the best people on the earth look upon praying as a punishment, what can be said of outsiders? Your books term Rome the holy city. Seeing its citizens voted for the rule of the robber, that Barabbas, Victor Emmanuel, in preference to the mild rule of his Holiness, what can be expected of other cities ? He, The Pope has nothing to do with the question which you evade, failing to show that we are born with an evil nature. /. Remember, Jesus divides men thus : " They that have done good shall come forth to the resurrection of glory, and they that have done evil to the resurrection unto damnation." Where is the man that on your principles could be said to be evil ^ had never done one good action 1 If then among the damned will be many who did noble and virtuous actions, and yet seeing that those actions originated not from holy motives, their doers are reckoned evil, the nature of the child must be judged to be either good or evil. How claim it as good, when your Church gives it no place in her bosom until it is changed from a demoniac ? He. I am not saying it is good, but only that it is not wholly bad. /. Seeing it is good or bad, and your Church votes it bad, but you say it is not totally so, oblige by showing some good thing towards God in unrenewed nature. He. The reciprocal love of parents and children, a patriot's 12 CALVINISM POPULARISED love of country, all honour, virtue, humanity, politeness, whether manifested by ourselves, or among pagan Greeks and Romans, or modern heathens. /. But there is no spark of love to God in that. A man might profess atheism and top that standard. I know of no greater insult to God than to ignore Him and His claims for awe, grati- tude, and adoration. Suppose Victoria entered a room where you were sitting with your hat on having a smoke, and you neither rose, ceased smoking, nor took off your hat, would you not be acting more like a Fenian than a loyalist ? He. Of course I should, but God does not come into the presence of those mentioned in a parallel manner. /. Undoubtedly He does. They are under greater obligations to Him than we to her. All who are good seek Him as their supreme desire, nor rest they until found unto adoration. David said, "I set the Lord ever before me," and Jesus assures us, "The pure in heart shall see God." Our forgetting God comes of not liking to retain Him in our memory because there is no place for Him in our heart. Hence"" Jeremiah says of it, "The heart is deceitful above all things, and incurably wicked," so that it must be renewed, made over again. He. The heart is a mere force-pump of flesh, so that it cannot be evil, though it may be ill. /. When we say heart we mean affections, so that evil heart means misapplied affections. " Out of the heart proceedeth," &c. He. I don't care for all you say. He who affirms that a newly- born child is depraved justifies the wicked, for it did not give itself that nature. When I order a coat and it turns out a misfit, the fault is mine if I wear it ; but if I make my boy wear an ill- fitting jacket, can I complain of his comic appearance ? 7. But your analogy fails, for we condemn those who have personally done no evil, holding that they did it representatively. You are a juryman where two sons claim an estate. They are equal save this — one is illegitimate. For which will you give the verdict ? He. Well, as it is his misfortune and not his fault, I should propose an equal sharing of the property. /. It is well for your Church that you did not sit in Rome on the Antonelli case. The Countess Laura Lambertini, the natural daughter of the late Cardinal, would fare well at your hands. Adam acted on federal principles, precisely as parents act now. If parents do weli their offspring receive the reward of that wisdom, if ill, their children necessarily suffer. Our father. CALVINISM POPULARISED 13 becoming a sinner, begat sinners, just as a consumptive father begets a daughter who dies of decline at one score. What else is this but what God on Sinai meant : — "Visiting the iniquities of the fathers upon the children to the third and fourth generation 1 " He, Supposing that's true, but it's a long way from it, it would be as wise to give the decalogue from Horeb as to say to dying soldiers, Quick march ! /. The commandments are given to reveal His nature and manifest ours. The decalogue was no novelty except as to the mode of delivery. The duty of every creature, good men, bad men, angels, or devils, is to love their Creator. That love can only be shown by obedience. " If ye love Me, keep My com- mandments." Neither men nor devils are able to love Him unless by special grace changing fallen nature, which grace is not extended to angels. Thus duty and inability are put together, so that should the mighty debt be paid by Another, we may appreciate the great transaction, and love Him because He thus loved us. When the Almighty says, " Thou shalt love the Lord thy God," and I feel I can't, I know He must begin the gracious work by loving me who am, by nature, enmity to Him. Thus, ray blackness comes out foil-like against His brightness. I must be wicked, or He would not command me to love so blessed a being, for I should love Him spontaneously, naturally, as parents do children. The commandment is given that I may see sins abounding whereby I am prepared to receive a salvation never self -achieved. It is showing me a painless fatal disease, that I may scream for the doctor. He. What an absurdity ! According to you, we shall be saved without keeping the commandments. /. It is insanity to think of being saved by keeping them. Here am I, a heretic of many winters. You convert me, and Father Glancy baptizes me. I live a saintly life, and die a century old. How could it be said that I kept the command- ments, when for half my life they had been unheeded ? If a person began to keep them at ten he could not keep them, as they would be already broken. An apostle says, "He that offendeth in one point is guilty of all." Where is the Irish R. C. boy aged ten, standing in his baptismal innocence ? A man at a pit mouth has charge of a chain, and allows the first ten links to become rotten with rust. Can he then plead a sound chain 1 We must love God from birth to death, and there must not be a particle of selfishness in us in relation to others. 14 CALVINISM POPULARISED He. In that case you make men saved without observing God's law, which we know can't be true. /. There are two ways of keeping commandments, viz., absolutely and relatively. In the former they are obeyed per- fectly, without comparison as to the way others observe them. In the latter case they are comparatively kept. A pious man living in a wild neighbourhood keeps them relatively, which is what Jesus meant when saying, "If ye love Me, keep My com- mandments." An average Israelite kept them compared with an Egyptian idolater. Hence, it says, " Showing mercy unto thousands (of generations), in them that love Me and keep My commandments." Had they kept them in the former sense no mercy would be needed ; had they not kept them in the latter, how could the Church be distinguished ? It is kept for a man by the Man. As Adam's breach of law is visited on an infant that has not sinned after his similitude, so Christ's righteousness clothes each ransomed one. Paul meant that when he said this : "For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of One shall many be made righteous." He. Then if a man be saved by what another does, and not by what he does, a door is opened for the committal of all sorts of pleasant sins without fear or remorse. Lutheran doctrine is alluring, I must allow. /. But the saved lose all taste for sin. Should Tetzel say, Here is an indulgence ivlierehy you may do ivhat you loill for forty days, my answer would be, Tliank you, hut I do that noiv. Break- ing commandments either wholesale or retail does not constitute amusement. A hog is embogged but happy, while a sheep in a ditch is miserable. Hear Samson tell his experience, / sinned, and therethrough lost my tico eyes hy fire. Then hear David, / sinned, and God made me feel as though all my hones were hrohen ; moreover, the sword never left my house. He. On your showing, we are all in the position of bad babies, sinful as Satan and helpless as clay. That being so, no difference can be in our ultimate destiny, and we must all perish. /. So far you are correct, but One interposes by eternal election, choosing certain of the fallen and weak to life. This He did towards us as infants, for thus Moses tells of one elect in the womb (Gen. xxv. 23), and Luke of another (i. 44). When I say this, He did to us as infants, I mean when we had personally done nothing, but had upon us Adam's relative guilt. He. Hah ! that's your infant election theory, is it ? as though some were not elect. I suppose English children are all elect. CALVINISM POPULARISED 15 while the children of poor Pat are reprobate down to the last Irish baby. /. The idea of infant election sounds strange to you, who look upon salvation as an affair of works, and a child can do none. Again, you fancy it would be harsh, and right down cruel, to punish such in Hell as wrought no evil on earth. I showed that salvation is of grace, relationship to Christ, but damnation is not only for personal evil wrought, but is of relationship to Adam, is an outcome of relative guilt. As to punishment in eternity applied to those who never got beyond infancy in time, I leave that with Him to whom it is neither pleasure nor advantage to do wrong. Hell is not the same for two, and I am of those who believe that celestial and infernal differences are little short of infinite. For aught you know the children of the Ante- diluvians shared their condemnation, though that lot in eternity may greatly differ. Nor, on this principle, does it follow that there should be an equalisation between the pain of the spirit of an unredeemed child and the pleasure accruing to the soul of a ransomed infant, for Heaven is higher than Hell is deep by the measure of the merit of the second Adam above the demerit of the first. Salvation and damnation partake of the family element. Thus Paul says, "The unbelieving husband is sanctified by the wife, and the unbelieving wife is sanctified by the husband ; else were your children unclean ; but now are they holy," teaching that when either parents, or both, fear God, their children were entitled to Church rites and rights, though of course they might afterwards forfeit these by personal transgression. I hold that children dying in infancy, the offspring of one or more pious parents, are loved for their sakes. Nay, I go this length, if one or both parents are elect, though neither of them are converted, their offspring is also chosen, for the merit of Christ did not come on His elect at regeneration, but when their names were recorded in the Lamb's book of life — earlier, when God chose them in Christ and gave them to His Messiah to redeem. The children of such dying in infancy I have no doubts about, but see no particle of Scripture teaching that the offspring of reprobates are saved because they died in infancy. You look at it thus : What a repulsive helief, a child eternally lost that never did evil. I view it this way — there is a blasting power in sin, showing its exceeding sinfulness. When Adam transgressed, the earth was blighted; when Cain killed Abel, the ground was hardened. If sin affects the earth of which we are made, and God visits the sin of the fathers upon i6 CALVINISM POPULARISED the children, may not the son of the guilty be abhorred of Heaven ? Take your view, and it follows that at the flood as fast as God the Son slew rebels by waves, God the Holy Ghost quickened the spirits of their offspring, so fitting them for heaven. Remember, so far as adults are concerned, if God pardons He forgives two things — nature and character — but in an infant nature only, howbeit that is the more important, being the root of character. He. A pretty story truly ! Give a nature, and its receiver needs forgiveness for being its recipient, when he had no choice as to its reception. /. Had God directly given it as He did nature to angels and Eve, your reasoning would be excellent. The doctrine of elect infants is essentially the doctrine of election. Man depraved makes a depraved choice in spiritual matters. By reason of his condition, he does no good works to qualify himself for salvation. Thus an infant, a heathen, and a nominal Christian are in an identical position. This comes out more clearly when it is seen that salvation is of relationship to Christ the obedient, or to Adam the rebellious, depends upon what we are rather than upon what we do. Angels fell by doing, Adam fell by doing, the elect rise by receiving. He. Then I don't seek salvation at all ? /. No, the Saviour seeks you. Does the sheep seek its shep- herd ? Does the fish seek the fisherman ? Luke teaches thus : " Men brought in a bed a man which was taken with a palsy, and they sought to bring him in and to lay (the paralytic) before Jesus. And when they could not find by what means they might bring him in because of the multitude, they went upon the house-top and let him down through the awning with the couch into the midst (of the crowd) before Jesus. And when He saw their faith. He said unto him, Man, thy sins are forgiven thee." There is no evidence he had faith in Christ's ability even to heal him, all the faith being in his bearers, but it would be rank insanity to say the paralysed sought pardon. Observe, our Lord did not address him by name as Peter, Thomas, Lazarus, he not being His disciple, but as Man ! for it was in relationship to the Son of Man, having absolute power over humanity. Hence, he is claimable as a symbol of mankind, perfectly helpless till He forgives and heals. Those four bearers are the analogues of faithful ministers. As He forgave that man, who no more sought salvation than infants do, so He forgives any of Adam's race ; that is, passively on their part, and by sovereignty on His. I CALVINISM POPULARISED 17 The Son of Man having atoned for whom He would, which must be true whether He died for John and not for Judas, or for both, has the right to pardon absolutely. Hence He says : " I give unto My sheep eternal life." Ergo a man and an infant are saved with equal passivity, for he is spiritually as inactive as the infant. He. Tell me I can do nothing to save myself, and I shall certainly not try. What use ? L In the order of duty I visited two dying brothers. Each brought on his end by drink, and neither cared for religion. When exhorting the elder to look to the Crucified, he said, " Mr. Lour/, God is merciful, and I can have mercy ii-Jienever I like to seek it.^^ He died without seeking. When we are sure we can do a thing, or when we think we can have a thing not to our taste, it is deferred, undone and unchosen. He. How foolish urging him to look to Christ. Your doc- trine is that men in their natural state cannot do even that. /. But the Holy Spirit might enter his spirit while I uttered the words of exhortation. As the old divines say, " calling grace makes manifest." Had his name been of the enrolled ones in the Lamb's book, he might be drawn to his uplifted Lord, for, saith He, " My sheep hear My voice.'' I could not tell whether his name was emblazoned over there until results showed it was wanting. He. Still it is nonsense to say that when men think they can do something for salvation they do nothing. See what we Catholics do and suffer to be saved ! /. Whereby you become double dead, more pharisaic, and ten times further removed from righteousness, as having established a human righteousness by paying dues, hearing mass, doing penance, saying prayers, receiving absolution, suffering Purga- tory, you become theoretically opposed to divinely given righte- ousness, whereas had you done nothing but see your lost estate it is written : "The Son of Man came to seek and to save that which was lost." He came to enrich paupers, but found you working for your living, nay, increased in goods, so that you are quite worthy to take your place with the rich young man who kept the commandments, did all these things long long ago, "And knowest not that thou art wretched, and miserable, and poor, and blind, and naked." He sees we are insolvent, and if we see it He lifts us from the dust of poverty, and sets us among princes in glory. Have you not heard what the son of Amoz said: "All our righteousnesses are but as filthy rags." B 1 8 CALVINISM POPULARISED Imagine I am to be presented at court, and prepare by pinning, tying, and stitching old clouts on me, so that I may make a telling impression on the Queen. He. Oh, that's absurd ! No sensible man does that ! /. Yes, you do. Instead of receiving Christ's righteousness as your soul's sole hope, you profess to prepare a guilty man for entering into the presence of the holy God, enveloped in stinks, stitches, and patches, instead of receiving the seamless wedding robe, as stitchless as the light. We are saved by One, whence our salvation is Divine ; by one act, when He says " Live " (Ezek. xvi. 6) ; not by our many acts, which would humanise and make temporary salvation ; this is no process analogous to weaving, stitching, or digging, no, nor even seeing, for if we see, it is because we are saved. How instructive is the fact, that women saw the resurrection angels, not the apostles, that Christ appeared to Mary first, not John. The moral being, the less we do in the kingdom of heaven the more we see. " My strength is made perfect in weakness." Women do less than men, and children least of all. Doers look downwards, seers upwards. Is not that taught by God thus: sleeping Jacob (Gen. xxviii. 12), Nebu- chadnezzar (Dan. ii. 3), and the Jewish premier of the Chaldees (vii. 7), all received revelations, not through study as scholars, not through experiment and observation as scientists, bvit as sleepers. God taught them while they slept, that they might be humble when they woke. Thus taught the Spirit (Psa. cxxvii. 2) : " He giveth His beloved m sleep," for so it should be rendered. The Lord gives freely, so that boasting is excluded. He. You make no headway. Affirming man's inability to do anything is so flat a contradiction to experience and the Bible as to be quite incredible. /. It is not said that man is unable to do anything, but only he can do no good. He can intensify, deepen his damnation, but not save himself. We can commit suicide, but cannot re- suscitate ourselves. Jesus teaches : " Either make the tree good and his fruit good, or else make the tree corrupt and his fruit corrupt." Evidently man is a bad stock. The Russo-Turkish war proved so much. Why will there be no millennial cam- paigns ? Because men will then be good. Fruit is visible, though root is subterranean, but as pulsation of the wrist shows throbbing at the heart, so the wickedness of men proves the sinfulness of nature. When the world fell, in and by our father, there was no cry to heaven for our Father to come and right the wrong. He came unsought. The world made no spiritual pro- CALVINISM POPULARISED 19 gress in 4000 years, hence, when He came and stayed of a long time the Jerusalem mob roared, "Not this man, but Barabbas," disliking that He should dwell among us thirty-three years. He. If by such reasoning you fancy I shall be brought to believe in infant damnation you make a huge mistake. I blush to whisper what one of your ministers shouted : There are infants in Hell a span Jong, I. That I heard long since, but from boyhood have no testi- mony as to who that one was. I doubt whether any man so said, and am certain no scholar could. He. What ! Are you ashamed of your doctrine in the naked 1 Why, you are defending that very position. 7. So much the worse for me. How can a man talk of a spirit nine inches long ? If you say he did not mean the body, as that was entombed, but its spirit which left the body when it was at that immature length, I told you the differences in the eternal world are as varied as the inexhaustible wisdom of God. If there be any in that evil world that wrought no iniquity because con- tinuance was here denied, I am sure they do not think themselves unjustly dealt with. It was Christ who adjudged the rebel angels to Hell, and 3'et when a band of demons met Him offering a compliment the apostles were long in learning to imitate. They said, one speaking for all : '• I know Thee who Thou art, the Holy One of God." Holy is the root of just. Thereby they allowed their condemnation was just. That scene supplies a double moral, the second part of which, our Lord's rejection of this honour, shows that it lies in the offerer more than in the offering. God will accept of no worship from the wicked, hence, " The prayer of the wicked is an abomination to the Lord," whence it follows we must be holy before we can worship the Holy. How can the sinful make himself holy ? He. Yery good. But fallen angels suffer for their own re- belUon, whereas children, according to your dogma, suffer for Adam's. I. Angels stood or fell each for himself, whereas we fell by our federal head breaking the covenant of works. Then all fell, the entire mass of humanity becoming spiritually alien to God, so that if any of these were chosen of Mercy, such choice could not be founded upon works, whereby, adopted or rejected, we are on that infant footing which was occupied by the twins of Rebekah. Your difficulty lies in not seeing that salvation is of relationship to Adam the second, and damnation is of relation- ship to Adam the first, and that we can only burnish our given 20 CALVINISM POPULARISED coronet of gold inwrought with amaranth, increase by good works our glory in the upper Canaan; can only intensify our damnation, deepen our distance from the absent God in the hope- less land. He. Yes, and I hope to be blind to that. Why, Christ says at doomsday : " I was naked and ye clothed Me," to the right- eous; while to the wicked He says, "I was naked and ye clothed Me not." That looks like works. I. To me it has the aspect of grace. Does He not say, " Come, ye blessed (children) of My Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world " ? INIade ready for that precise number. They do not get Heaven for doing, but because they are God's children by elective adoption and gracious regeneration. They did good because His Spirit abode within them, so that in a manner they were His good works wrought by them. When Noah sketched his Ark he planned eight sleeping berths, 120 years before God launched her. "In My Father's house are many mansions " over against the eight, though Christ's many is as definite as the 144,000 sealed of the tribes (Rev. vii. 4) ; or the 153 caught in the Gospel net (John xxi. 11). These be symbols of the names recorded in the new Jerusalem directory, entered before the world was. Make it salvation by works, this must also be appended, and that salvation is not Jnioum until the judgment. Yet it will be judgment only in the sense of manifestation, not discovery. No one will be saved there; all are saved here and now. Demand salvation by works per- sonal, and what becomes of infants, heathen, and eleventh-hour penitents ? He. That does not help your abhorrent doctrine of infant damnation. I cannot believe that a child suffers in eternity for the doings of parents. Indeed, not many minutes since you affirmed that election was entirely upon the infant basis, that God selected unto salvation from those who were relatively con- demned and personally unable to help themselves. How does that square with your making out that children are affected by their parents being good or bad ! /. I do not limit Divine Sovereignty nor assail the infinite freeness of eternal love by saying that elect children are invari- ably born of elect parents, for the cases of Noah and Ham, Abraham and Ishmael, Isaac and Esau, Eli and Hophni, David and Absalom, show that no such view is tenable. What I hold is that elect infants are probably born of elect parents, that is, assuming that there are chosen children who die in infancy, I CALVINISM POPULARISED 21 expect them to be the offspring of elect parent or parents, not that such opinion involves holding this — all elect parents are favoured by having elect offspring. This is in harmony with Rom. xi. 28, ^' They are beloved for their fathers' sakes," and older yet, Exo. xx. 6. He. But I hold that all children dying before the age of responsibility are equally elect. /. Well, let us reason it out thus : 1. Either all dying in infancy are elect. 2. Or none so dying are. 3. Or some are. As to I, it cannot be held, because that will not harmonise with the Divine economy in the known portions of the scheme of redemption. Therein He is ever making to differ. It looks as though imaginary human innocence availed to win God's favour. It tends towards limitation of God's freedom, for if an iofant must be saved because an infant, that would confine Divine liberty equally with affirming elect parents must have elect offspring. It overlooks the fact that our race is guilty from the newly-]:)orn to the patriarchal. It cannot be justified by assert- ing that Christ died for infants as such, seeing there is neither implicit Scripture therefor, nor yet analogy. We cannot discover how any become elect, and possibly it is unrevealable to man by reason of incapacity to comprehend involved relationships of law, sin, time, circumstance, eternity, creature, and Creator, but it is safe to aflSrm that election could not be in classes as male and female, learned and ignorant, young or old. When the covenant to save was made, the Second Person in the Tri-une Godhead became Christ, sanctified Himself into the redemption of His espoused ; cycles thereafter He became Jesus for the love of them. These were elected not in relation to age or innocence, for they must be chosen as guilty apart from biographic detail, and consequently Ave cannot say that all human beings dying in infancy are elect ; should we not rather think that as Heaven's elect are found among all classes, that is, with infants as with others, some are elect and others not *? Moreover, if infancy qualifies so that all children not having attained to the age of responsibility are for that reason chosen, then no infant can be elect, inasmuch as that procedure would be selection, which is easily understood, and not election, which is a mystery awful 1 Besides, all children being elect, mankind must be so, and once elect they must remain that, apart from the detail of age, which continually varies. As for 2, I cannot think that children born 22 CALVINISM POPULARISED of the godly, and dedicated by them in faith, so dyin^' are un- saved. Salvation is usually presented in the family form from Noah's call into God's Ark to Luke writing (Acts xvi. 15), " Lydia was baptized and her household." Therefore, 3 appears to me deserving of credence. Thus we have (Gen. xxxix. 5) Potiphar blessed for Joseph's sake ; so one may be blessed for another's sake as to affairs of time. I do not think that the children of pious parents are saved for the sake of their progenitors, as salvation can come only for the sake of One, but that God probably intimates grace in respect to a child by relating it to those who are in the covenant eternal. Jews are loved unto temporal preservation for their fathers' sake. There was an elect Messianic line from Adam to Christ which no wars, feuds, nor political changes could break ; so election runs in lines which is a part of its virtue. But that a E,. C. should affirm the deeds of parents do not affect the eternal destiny of their offspring fills one with blank amazement. Take a case constantly occur- ring. A mother gives birth to a son this night. She lives miles from a priest. As his Reverence will not be there until Sunday, and she does not like lay baptism, she waits. 'On Saturday night she overlays her child. According to you its spirit will never enter Heaven, but find a place in a less pleasant world, the Limbo of Infants, where those who are unbaptized are taken, for the demon has never been cast out, while you say the lot of children is unaffected by parents. That fancy of your Church, Limbo, was imagined while forgetting that every child is de- monised according to it, wherefore, w^hen children reach Limbo they wax worse and worse, and the place infallibly becomes Hell. When your theologians manufactured that place, they forgot that such would not be infants always there any more than here. He. You have nothing to do with what my Church teaches. Attend to the subject of infant election. Your view is that the souls are lost through misfortune, not through fault. How can we help being born of Adam ? The evils I incur come of sin, crime, or blunders, but those I have no control over I term mis- fortune, for which, however sorry I may be, I feel no remorse, nor do I repent of them. /. Let me put a case. The son of an aristocrat falls in love with a gipsy, and is set upon marrying her. When consulting his father, he receives a strongly expressed negative. Amongst other things the father said : She is loiv hred. His son replied : That is not her fault. Senior said : The girl is rudely uneducated. Junior replied : Slie never had an opportunity to get education. CALVINISM POPULARISED 23 The old gentleman said : Her brothers are poachers, her father a hen-roost robber, her mother drinlis heavily. The young gentleman says : Surely none of these things are to be laid to her charge. Do you think his reasoning would satisfy the paternal intellect 1 Salvation comes more by wedding than by sermons. The patriarchs Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, and Joseph, had numerous sons, but only one daughter — Dinah. When any of these men married an alien woman she was absorbed into the covenant family. Had these had daughters instead of sons, the Abrahamic seed would have died out or, which would have been the same so far as the covenant was concerned, been absorbed into idolatrous nations. It was, from your standpoint, no fault at all, but only a misfortune of Dinah's, that she was not a Dan ; but what she was regulated position, and her Creator made her female, from which there was no appeal. No covenant was ever made by God with a woman, and no woman ever offered a sacrifice. But of what use would it be for a Hebrew daughter to complain she was not a son 1 God's work is perfect, and from it there is no appeal to a higher court. He. But what bearing has that upon infant election 1 I. The regulation of our lot is absolutely at the disposal of the Almighty, and though we phenomenally seem to have our spiritual status for time and eternity in our hands, we no more have it than infants. The entire of Adam's race after the fall were all before God in the relationship of base-born children, polluted as to origin, sinful as to nature, and helpless as to power. There, and not short of there, do we find the wisdom of the figure represent- ing God as an omnipotent potter, making us to differ as He will, not we will; He is the irresistible Differentiator. He. I believe the good Shepherd gathers every lamb in His Hock, whereas you teach He makes a selection. I. He saves all His lambs, but you are assuming that mankind is His flock, whereas neither your Church nor our Bible teach that. When Rome burnt Huss, surely it did not think him a sheep, but a wolf. Nor could he have been a lamb, for no lamb would make himself a wolf. The most he could have been was a wolf in sheep's clothing. He. I care nothing for what the Council of Constance did, as it has no bearing on this case. I refuse to believe in your view of election of infants, in fact any view but this — all infants are elect. /. We are saved as infants by the child Jesus. It was said in Eden by One : " The seed of the woman shall bruise the serpent's 24 CALVINISM POPULARISED head." That seed was the Infant of Days who saves babes and them only, that is, those in whom there is no qualification. The infant earns nothing, desires nothing, but gets all through re- lationship. Does the babe earn its milk i As soon as we are babes we receive milk. The work of the Spirit is to strip us, and make us as free from personal merit as a new-born child. That being done, the child is seen to. Is not that what God means by the beautiful allegory (Ezek. xvi.) of the foundling ? "Thy birth and thy nativity is of the land of Canaan ; thy father was an Amorite, and thy mother an Hittite." This in the Glasgow language means : You are a native of the Bridgegate ; your father was a scavenger, and your mother a midden-raker. Then the Gracious One passes by the wailing babe as it lies on the Green, and says, "Live." An Arminian god would say, "Do." But yet that does not prove all children are elect, because if so the relationship could never cease, save by a change in Deity, and as He is the I AM, such cannot be. According to your view Nero was elect and became reprobate, which is absurd. " The gifts of God are without repentance." He. Make every baby a subject of electing love and we agree. /. " He makes His rain to fall on the evil and on the good," but Grace distinguishes though Nature fails to do so. Eain may fall on salt seas or Arctic ice where it seems not needed, but grace is never wasted. Nature is like small shot fired from a blunderbuss, Grace like a bullet from a rifle, and the Marksman alwaj^s scores. You differ less from me upon the question of salvation if you would look closely into your creed. Suppose a case. An ordinary couj)le have a son of extraordinary stubbornness. His disobedi- ence gives now his mother and then his father no little trouble. Being at his usual tricks, his father threatens him with severe chastisement. The lad hangs himself with a jack-towel at the back of the kitchen door, he dying aged fifteen. A fact. Now Greeks, Bomanists, and Evangelical Protestants look upon that boy as lost. Had he lived till forty, he might have been angry with himself for perverseness, totally apart from the action of the Spirit. We agree in believing that he is lost, and lived only fif- teen years. I fail to see a striking diff'erence between his case and that of a child of fifteen months. Consider what is meant by that awful word eternity, and the proportion of months or years thereto is untellably less than the ratio between one grain of sand to all matter. You try to show the difference between the loss of a boy and a child is vast, whereas to me the difference is virtually nil. Each is a sinner by nature and will be by j^ractice, and. CALVINISM POPULARISED 25 hard though my doctrine sounds, is guilty in relation to Adam as truly as the Christian is innocent in relation to Christ. Believers are prepared to see deadly reptiles, from the scorpion to the ana- conda ; fishes with whom contact is fatal, from the torpedo to the shark ; insects, from the mosquito to the deadly tsetse ; evil beasts, from the howling wolf to that lord of the jungle, a tiger; inun- dations, shipwrecks, famines, earthquakes, diseases racking the frame, from neuralgia to plague; the mind afflicted by mental ailments ranging from melancholy to mania, and beyond those death, and beyond that millions from Cain to the last impenitents lost. Having gazed upon that mass of woe, he says, I believe God is almighty and infinite in goodness. It is useless to object that sin introduced vipers and lions, for we know that evil is older, so far as our earth is concerned, than sin. We are surrounded' by awful mysteries, from which escape is impossible. Howbeit we take refuge in this belief — if God would condescend to explain these mysteries we should say how beautiful ! He does every- thing in either black wisdom or bright. We do not comprehend the former, but I ease my heart by believing that as He brought the glory of the seventh day out of the gloom of the first, so the clouds of blackness will be transmuted into nebulae of a brilliancy equal to the garments the glorified wear. At my second birth the thought of any man being lost was to me little short of intolerable, whereas that of a lost baby does not move me. I believe in the exceeding sinfulness of sin, and see that relational guilt deserves penalty as certainly as personal acts. Howbeit, I do not believe in equality of punishment in the hopeless land. I believe that millions in that evil world suffer less, time for time, than millions do in this world of miugled good and evil. The Creator finds neither advantage nor pleasure in creature pain. Should any suffer unduly, and therefore unjustly, God would no longer be, forasmuch as He must be perfect in justice or not be. As to the duration of the penalty of the lost, it must either be eternal or purgational and atoning, whereby Hell would effect a work equal to the Spirit and the Son, whence salvation would come by damnation. I have sought diligently for one argument against the doctrine of eternal punishment that can give an orthodox thinker five minutes' trouble, but find none. Time.— TUESDAY, from 8 to io p.m. Place — THE GKEEN, NEAR GEEENDYKE STREET. Persons. He. A MORISONIAN OP THE MOST StERN KiND. /. A Pronounced Calvinist. Disputation. What is a Free Gospel? He. I often wonder that you, a Christian of many years' stand- ing, fail to see the glory of the Gospel — its freedom. I go in for a free Christ to whomsoever will. My favourite simile is a baker's shop in a starving neighbourhood, the stock of which is bought by a millionaire, with instructions to let any perishing have a loaf for asking. Cases of starvation then occurring, the fault lies with. the starved. They are suicides by negligence. I. But your parallel between that and Christ, the bread of life, is fallacious, as men naturally hunger for bread, while none spiritually hunger for Him before receiving the Holy Ghost. That shop would be besieged, but Morisonian churches are not always crowded with eager listeners, though there you offer the free loaf. How does that happen 'I He. At all events you must allow perishing is their fault while "There is bread enough in my Father's house." Eating they live. /. How can appetite and taste for spiritual luxuries be got out of carnal bodies *? Can the carnal win the beatitude : "Blessed are they that hunger and thirst after righteousness," without inspiration ? Unless sinners hunger they starve, but starvation 26 CALVINISM POPULARISED 27 is a kind of fever. , Call it so. I am dying of fever and you bring me a draught, which, if taken, recovery is certain, but having no confidence in your remedy, I reject it. Is death due to refusal or to disease ? Negatives can't operate. You must allow that sinners perish apart from the great Physician, he dying as the Egyptian (Exod. ii. 12) by the word of Moses. Christ has nothing to do with condemning men until this economy is over, and then condemns for sins actual or relational. He. But that is directly opposed to : "If ye were blind ye should have no sin.'' And again: "If I had not come and spoken unto them, they had 7iot had sin.''' Here teaching that their sins had relation to Him, not Moses. /. So you think through not observing this rule. Biblical language delights in the absohde, even ivhen the comparatii-e onhj is meant. Now Jesus was most natural. By way of illustration take the words of Isaiah : " As a sheep before her shearers is dumb, so He opened not His mouth." Yet on trial our Lord answered Caiaphas and Pilate. Isaiah means only He would make no elaborate defence, as Stephen did. So it is said, Matt. xi. 18, "John came neither eating nor drinking," while iii. 4 says, " His meat was locusts and wild honey." When Jesus says, Luke xvi. 16, "The kingdom of heaven is preached, and every man presseth into it," what can He mean but : Many enter through a preached gospel, but whosoever enters it is by agonis- ing ? Similarly Paul says, when contrasting the Mosaic and Christian dispensation (the former), " Had no glory in this respect, by reason of the glory that excelleth " it, viz., Christi- anity. Applying our rule, we get this common-sense meaning, John was abstemious, no glutton, ate sparingl3\ So when Jesus told the Pharisees that if they were blind they would have no sin. He meant, better be ignorant than disobedient. Denying that you assert their sinlessness. In like manner, those to whom He said there would be no sin, if they had not heard Him, teaches that their exalted privilege of listening was a savour of death unto death, deepening condemnation. A lost Scotchman suffers a more awful weight of reprobation than an Ethiopian from under the line. He. I take no exception to rule, but to doctrine. How charm- ing such a text as this sounds : "I have no pleasure in the death of him that dieth, saith the Lord God : wherefore turn and live." Could Deity express desire more emphatically ? What, then, becomes of narrowing redemption to a few, and exchiding man's will ? 28 CALVINISM POPULARISED I. Received in your view we must alter: "I will have mercy on whom I will have mercy " to / tcill have mercy on icliom I can have mercy, so exalting the criminal at the expense of the judge. Your text paraphrased by rule reads : I have less pleasure in the death of him that dieth than I have in the life of him that Uveth. I claim the absolute 7io must mean the comparative less, else Omnipotence is weak. When Noah vacated the Ark, He had more pleasure in the eight saved than in the destruction of those who rebelled. The Just One never gets justice from the lost — their mighty debt is unpaid in Hell, or their punishment would be temporary — but receives unto the last farthing in the case of each saved. So being, He is non-content with damnation, while satisfied in salvation. As to exhortation to turn, grace comes by hearing of grace. Some listening to Ezekiel would receive the gift of repentance. David says: "Turn thou me and I shall be turned." Conversion is an outcome of regeneration. He. It won't do. If any book means what it says, the Bible does. When it says no, how dare you say less 1 I. It would be a foolish book if meaning what it said. Does it not say, "This is My body"? "The moon shall be turned into blood " ? You must interpret God's book as Daniel did the king's dream. That Hebrew seer did not say : TJie gold means gold, and the iron means iron, nor Mene means Mene. Words are signs, the value of which we discover by comparison. Insist upon God having absolutely no pleasure in the death of the wicked, I then ask is their death, as in the case of Ananias, a just act ? He. Just ! Of course. Who thinks He could do unjustly ? /. Then is He pleased to do justice ? You ought to say yes, though you are unwilling. Whether, then, has God, speaking after our manner, more pleasure in justice or in mercy ? So it is manifest that the text is elliptical, which read at length is as put. He. You have the advantage of constantly discussing, and a better knack of presenting cases, but you can't make me embrace that narrow, cold Calvinism. man ! there is something re- freshingly comprehensive in the true Gospel that partialists never knew. Christianity is compressed into : " God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in Him should not perish, but have everlasting life." There is a charm about that echoing through the soul like the bells of Heaven. No limitation — whosoever. /. That is its limitation. If you were right it would run thus : God so loved the loorld, that He gave His only begotten Son to die CALVINISM POPULARISED 29 for it to the end that every son of man should he saved. Christ died for the lohosoever, some out of all nations, His sheep, those who sing in upper Canaan : " Thou wast slain, and hast redeemed us out of every kindred.'' The seed of Jacob rebelled on the Edomite marches and saraphim were sent, w^hose bite parched those bitten by the fever of poison. Moses was ordered to hoist a copper snake very high, and whoso of the bitten looked lived, being completely healed of blood poison. But if a bitten Edomite gazed at the glittering metal until his. eyes ached, he would die all the same. As the yearly atonement by the High Priest was for Israel, but not for the sons of Esau, so this salvation was for the loyal seed of Abraham. Howbeit, our Lord was lifted up that whosoever, of any nationality, might gaze and live. Those of us whoso look are the : " Other sheep have I which are not of this fold " — we Gentiles. To this agree the words of that false man but true prophet, Caiaphas : '' It is expedient that one man should die for the people, and that the whole nation perish not." John teaches that the Spirit meant : " Jesus should die for that nation ; and not for that nation only, but that He should gather together into one (family) the children of God that were scattered abroad." This makes plain what the man of Patmos meant by : " He is the propitiation for our sins j and not for ours (the Jews) only, but also for the whole world." His death finds parallel in the rainbow seen by the world's second father at the foot of Ararat, as we learn from what John saw through an open door : " Behold, a throne was set in heaven, and One sat on the throne. And he that sat was to look upon like a jasper and a sardine stone ; and there was a rainbow round about the throne, in sight like unto an emerald." The rainbow John saw after Calvary answers to that seen by Noah after the deluge. He. I do not deny death for His elect, but that He died for them exclusively. /. Let us apply your rule to the case of Judas. Say God lo^'ed him, then He loved him from everlasting, because He does nothing in time that He did not determine to do before time, and as we can set no bounds to the period referred to, we are compelled to say it was of old, from everlasting. So loving Judas, when did that love determine ? Remember, Judas died before Jesus (Matt, xxvii. 5). You must allow one of these posi- tions. He loves him, or ceased. Now the former involves loving the damned, the latter abolishes the being of God, I AM-hood, His unchangeability. If He loved, but does not. He changed as surely as were He to forget act, fact, or event. 30 CALVINISM POPULARISED He. I see no proof in either your logic or analogy. It is axiomatic with me that God the Father loves all, God the Son suffered for all, God the Holy Ghost strives with all. /. Let your axioms be judged by the Book. Speaking through Moses He said : "The Lord did not set His love upon you, nor choose you, because ye were more in number than any people ; for ye were the fewest of all people ; but because the Lord loved you." Why not choose the numerous Chinese, or the bold Hittites, or the politic Greeks ? How can it be said He loved all nations, when to the sons of Jacob He gave ordinances, appointed kings, sent prophets, but left others stumbling on in gross darkness, which He winked at ? As the rays of the rising sun gild the hill tops, while the valleys abide in gloom, so the Israelites were enlightened, while we Europeans were in neolithic barbarism. He. Yes, but that light has come to all nations, and every man is called to repent. If I show what God did, I show what He will do. /. Can that be true, while the professed disciples are a mino- rity ? Truly, it is done as fast as the Church overtakes the mighty work, but while one missionary brings a glean of Hindoos into the garner, acres perish adoring Krishna. We read : "Jesus loved Martha, and her sister, and Lazarus," which would be a truism on your principles, but a glorious utterance on ours. And will He not say to the wicked : '' Depart from me, I never knew you " ? There k7iew means loved, because He knows all men and acts. So Paul says : " Whom He did foreknow, He also did pre- destinate to be conformed to the image of His Son." "Whom He did foreknow," cannot be all, being grammatically limited by 2vhom, but by omniscience He knows all mentally, therefore fore- know is not used in the mere intelligential sense ; His knowledge is infinite, wherefore foreknow must be used of love. If it does not teach the particularisation of affections, the Book must be written on different principles to other books, but saving its being God-breathed, it is as human as ancient. That He said to the Church of God in Rome, but this to the saints in Ephesus : " In love having predestinated us into the adoption of children," for so it reads when rightly pointed. Similarly we have, i Cor. viii., "If any man love God, the same is known of Him." To which agrees the words of Paul's Lord : " I know My sheep," equivalent to. He loved the Church. If it can be made plainer, this does it: "As many as I love I chasten." To these add Amos : " You only have I known of all the families of the earth." But no part of the word produces a deeper effect on me than CALVINISM POPULARISED 31 this : " Unto Him that loved us, and washed us from our sins in His own blood." Us cannot be shared by a man of the lost. He. I apprehend they forfeited love by neglect. /. That is, they occasioned change in God ; were blood-washed, but polluted themselves and perished. I see a mother washing her child, after which she takes a walk, passes many dirty children, none of whom she washes, because she does not love them as the one she washed. Whosoever Christ loves He washes. It runs thus : love, blood, purity, glory. As to your assertion that the Spirit strives with all. He strives inly with none. He. But so saying you contradict the word of God spoken to Noah : " My Spirit shall not always strive with man." /. A man of God is missioned to preach to roughs at Coat- bridge. They hiss, hoot, pelt. These do not resist the Spirit in themselves, but in the man filled with the Spirit and sent, and so indirectly resist Him. Thus Nehemiah says: "Many years didst Thou forbear them, and testifiedst against them by Thy Spirit in the prophets ; yet would they not give ear." So when Stephen delivered his deathless apology the mob gnashed on him with their teeth, whereby they resisted the Holy Ghost speaking by that prophet. The Spirit is Almighty. He does not strive in men, but sanctifies the saved, creates anew whom He will. He is the great moral Architect, the spiritual temple-builder, as the Son created the material universe. Your view reduces Him to an adviser, one trying to persuade. The eternal Son did not try to create, nor does the co-eternal Spirit to regenerate. The Son wrought in Genesis, the Spirit works in regeneration. And each rests when He says, " It is finished." He. But it is written : " Quench not the Spirit." /. A believer stood in the Corinthian Church to speak, but the angel of the church, seeing him ill-clad, and observing he spoke as the unlearned, orders him to resume his seat. That angel quenched the Spirit in the would-be speaker, not in himself. Truly he could not extinguish the Spirit either in himself or another. We may grievously fail to co-operate with Him, be shamefully far from correspondence, but no son of the kingdom can be a Deicide or even a suicide. Jews engrave on their tombstone " Shallom : " i.e., died in ^:^eac'e. One of the election may have '" kept " cut upon his headstone, for each is kept by eternal power manifested in him through faith unto godly living. Are we to degrade the Almighty into a benevolent spectator, like a sailor's wife helplessly looking at her husband's ship drifting towards rocks i 32 CALVINISM POPULARISED He. There is no charm in those views. I was educated to beUeve in free grace, harmonising with free will, and having felt the powers of the world to come, the teaching of youth is ap- proved of in riper years. Your chances of converting me into a narrow-gauge man are small. /. What do you mean by free grace ? He. Simply : " Ask and ye shall have ; knock and it shall be opened to you." That is, Mercy's door is smitten by the hand of Faith and opens. Calvin does not stand like a second Peter shutting out those who are not starched stiff, straight, and true according to him. /. Solomon says : " Wisdom hath killed her beasts ; she hath mingled her wine ; she hath also furnished her table." There is the Jerusalem free dinner, good fare without a bill big or little. But those who call to the passer-by to enter, say to Him that spread the feast : " Who hath believed our report *? " A man must be made wise before wisdom is his luxury. Moreover, you err by not observing that Christ speaking in the plural number means a class, disciples. On Sinai He says " Thou," one, each one of our race. His " Ye" is equivalent to brethren. This is free grace — God giving me life eternal without my doing any- thing for it, before or after receiving it. A gentleman has an extensive estate he intends bestowing on me, but I bid fourpence for it. He takes it as a joke, and the property is transferred when I tell him I shall send him a load of hay now and again as rent. Our prayers and faith no more procure inheritance than my wretched fourpence bought the estate, nor does defective obedience merit the continuance of Heaven's favour any more than the hay pays the purchase of 10,000 acres. Freeness lies in receiving for nothing. Moses made that plain when he wrote : " It came to pass as they emptied their sacks, that behold every man's bundle of money was in his sack." They were Arminians on the road, but Calvinists when they reached their father's home. How could their brother Joseph sell to his family ? As absurd that as a mother keeping count of milk supplied to her in- fant until the babe became a man, and then demanding payment. The weaver of Tarsus took the same view as the son of the Nile : " By grace are ye saved through faith, not of works, lest any man boast." So too the Carpenter of Galilee : " I give unto My sheep eternal life." That's the new Jerusalem notion of free, and the sooner you rise thereto the better. We get life and limbs freely, Heaven's light freely, this world freely, that world freely. In Glasgow we pay for light, water, purity, and protection. CALVINISM POPULARISED 33 howbeit in new Jerusalem its citizens receive all from their Lord gratis, graciously. "All that I have is thine." He. I consider every man has a choice, or should have, just as Adam had with the trees. He could eat of one and live, of the other and die. All was left to his unfettered will. There is set before us a blessing and a curse, and our option is untram- melled. Your system says that a fallen son of Adam is not free to choose life, but must choose death. /. We too advocate free will, but thus : brutes, men, demons, angels act voluntarily, carry out their natures without being compelled to do what they dislike. The ex-convict, Henry Holloway, liked swearing when he swore, and likes praying now he prays. God compels millions to suffer against their will, but none to act against it. But if you assert that holiness and wickedness are presented to a carnal man for choice, and he can choose one as easily as the other, you forget that nature will regulate choice. Present to an angel and a fiend the oppor- tunity of choosing between holy things, acts, principles, or their opposites, and what inevitably happens 1 The same reasoning applies to us, though less easily seen. As to choosing death, why, we are already dead in trespasses and sins. He. Do you say, then, that when Christ is jiresented to the sinner, he has no power to accept ? /. We choose Him after He chooses us, our choice being regulated by new taste. When the Lord was coming He sent the Baptist to prepare His way. The farmer does not commit seed to soil until it is ploughed. John ploughed, Jesus sowed, angels will reap, As then, so now ; if. Christ is coming to any, He sends His Spirit into the man's heart to fill him with peni- tential grief, after which he hungers for righteousness and eats Christ (John vi. 56). The Spirit does internally what John did externally — prepare the way of the Lord. But he receives Christ before accepting Him. He. I don't understand you, seeing no difference between accepting and receiving. J. We receive passively , but ag£a pt active ly. In the former case our will is unconsulted. I receive a letter containing an offer which I decline. A soldier receives a wound. John says : "As many as received Him, to them gave He power to become the sons of God." Paul says : " Have ye received the Holy Ghost V "Received ye the Spirit by the works of the law?" God gives. He does not offer. Receive answers to give, and accept to offer. John says : " A man can have nothing except it c 34 CALVINISM POPULARISED be given him from above." Had the Queen offered a commutation of sentence to Allen, Larkin, and O'Brien, but they preferred dying for what they thought was cause and country, would they not have got glory on her 1 Koyalty does not consult criminals, nor does the King Eternal consult sinners. It is not beneath the Queen to approach co-ordinate governments, whereas to rebels she can only occupy two relationships — be the dispensatrix of justice or of grace. Guilt proven, no other course is possible than to treat them passively. God no more offers life eternal than He does life natural. His ministers do. They beseech and entreat in His name, but not He. He. This is what I say ; you deprive man of free will, whereby responsibility is wrenched from him. If God does not set death and life before me, how is my manly freedom respected ? I. Think rather of respecting His wisdom than your liberty. Should they be set before you for ever, you must for ever act out your nature in choosing. Paul means so much when saying of the Gospel, " It is a savour of death unto death, or of life unto life." Let the unquickened choose, and he elects death, and so becomes more dead, while, conversely, the living prefer life, and become increasingly alive unto righteousness. In spiritual physi- ology as in natural, we feed upon what we are ; anything else is, or should be, distasteful, for it is hurtful to our body. Can a man with a soul of honour prefer meanness to liberality ? Some- times preachers of the silly and sensational type relieve themselves thus : " my dear hearers, if instead of addressing you who are apathetic, my commission were to tell the story of redeeming love in caverns of the damned, how would myriads of lost spirits listen with trembling joy, and troop to the standard of Immanuel." All of which is illusion. Set the foot of Jacob's ladder in Hell, and its top round in Jerusalem, with no angel armed with flaming sword to guard it, and not one unblessed foot would climb. Noah preached 120 years to those who made this world into a terrestrial hell, but none heeded, because faith was not mixed with hearing, and faith is an outgrowth of the Indweller. Then the Judge quenched that earthly hell by water, or rather, transferred the terrestrial hell to the infernal, for hell once in existence is un- quenchable. What avail, then, giving choice as a concession to manliness ? Nevertheless, there is no violation of will, as a free choice is made. If a man in his sins were to pray w^ithout ceas- ing, seek diligently, attempt to take the kingdom by violence, but failed, or when grace was imparted a man wished to be rid of it, persistently preferring evil to good, but died, as Papists say, in CALVINISM POPULARISED 35 the odour of sanctity, then I could see your view of liberty. How can will be violated in conferring grace any more than in bestow- ing natural gifts ? God does not consult a child as to whether it will be born, nor as to the conditions that shall surround the new arrival, nor whether a man shall be born again. Your reasoning sounds as absurd as the demand that the dead shall be consulted as to whether he shall lie in his grave or take part in the second resurrection, else where is liberty? He. That is nonsense, for the resurrection is of justice con- nected with judgment. /. So is regeneration of justice connected with Calvary. If Christ died for a man He purchased for him the Spirit, and it is just he should receive Him. How can you demand a man be at liberty to choose life or death when he is naturally so foolish as to prefer, " as the Jerusalem mob preferred," Barabbas to Jesus 1 He. That may be your creed, but not mine. We hold children are sin-free at birth, but become sinners through bad example. /. If good, they would abhor evil example. When Abraham interceded for the sinful Pentapolis, God said if two just ones per city were found He would not destroy for their sake. The five sinful cities were burned by the Lord (Son) from the Lord (Father). The Son, to whom all judgment is committed, would not slay holy men. But infants are men according to Jesus and Job. John xvi. 21, "Joy that a man is born into the world;" Job V. 7, "Man is born to trouble as the sparks fly upward." Every human being is a man, the word being connected with mens, the mind, for man thinks, which mere animals do not. Hence we trace bad conduct not to example but to its root — nature. Paul says : " Death comes by sin, for that all men have sinned" by relationship. If children were holy they could not die. He. How so ? Christ was, and yet died. I. Yes, as sin-bearer. Belationally, He was the guiltiest man born. But you say children are neither sinners nor sin-bearers and still die. Being holy, Christ did not die for them, so that when they reach the skies they cannot chime in the chorus : " Who loved us and washed us from our sins in His own blood." They will be on the angelic footing, and not being in alliance with Christ, may fall as angels fell. I heard you discuss with a Pi. C. who went in for the dogaia of Mary's immaculate con- ception. He. Quite right. That was last Monday. 36 CALVINISM POPULARISED I. Do you not see the absurd platform you occupy when assert- ing all children are immaculate at birth but Mary 1 Here is an argument that all children are sinners, built on the assumption that like goes to like. When the legion of demons made their exeunt from the unclean Gadarene they entered 2000 unclean animals. They would not, could not possess a flock of sheep or pigeons. As Jesus descended the mount of transfiguration, a father met Him leading his demonised son. To draw forth his attention and hopes. He said, "How long is it ago since this came unto him ? And he said, Of a child." If men were born sinless, but became sinners by example, those demons would have waited until the child had become wicked before possessing him. He. Such reasoning is replete with error, as possession might come upon him like lunacy. I. By no means, as lunacy is an affair of the brain, and as the brain can only be lightly exercised by infants, we hear nothing of lunatic children, whereas, possession has to do with sin. The child being biassed to evil by birth, it avails nothing to offer salvation. He. Well, that's positively awful. What, then, is the use of Sabbath schools ? What of sermons ? /. Much in many ways. By these agencies the Spirit quickens whom He will. He does not offer salvation, but gives. By our offering to all He gives to some. When Gideon blew the alarm trumpet in Asher, Zebulun and Naphtali, he was playing the part of preachers. He called all he could reach, and 32,000 came. "Hany are called, but few are chosen." Our preachers fill the churches with virgins, wise and foolish. The 32,000 volunteers of Gideon shrunk to 300 lappers. " Whosoever will let him come and take the water of life freely." All are called, but the lappers represent the elect. Christ died for the lappers, the whosoevers. On Calvary He said, " I thirst," having His eye on the thirsters, whereby He is made one with His brethren. He thirsted for them, they thirst, or will, for Him. The Kirk door is wide open, but what of that to the carnal man 1 Your free gospel is a sham when delivered in an Arminian sense, and a nuisance to the ungodly when acted out. Hence, letters appear in our dailies against street preaching ; the Papists stopped the proclamation of grace from the stone pulpit in the Bridgegate, and so far as they can in all public institutions. He. I still hold there is a melting, moving, saving power in telling poor sinners of the love of God. Tell a man he is loved of God, and if that does not soften his heart what will ? CALVINISM POPULARISED 37 /. As well say there is a warming power in describing fire. No description of God's love, nay, not even the love of God ilself softens, or can. Surely it is not a mother's love that looks after her child, but a mother acting lovingly ; so it is not the love of God that saves, but God Himself. Every effect has an adequate cause, but that describing anything can save I fail to see. Neither your description, nor my believing; nor my love nor God's love, can save. In Britain our laws have no power in them ; the power is in the Queen ordering their execution, and she, by her servants, putting them into force. Nature has no power in her laws ; the power is in God's working in an observed order termed natural. Theology knows no power short of Theos, God. He. I see no beauty in a word you utter. I prefer thinking of a gracious day when my Lord says to every man, " Hearken, and your soul shall live." Why, on your principles, multitudes never have a day of grace, forasmuch as they were predestined to death eternal before birth natural. That is awful nonsense, at which our superior part revolts. Man's nobler nature demands a divine creed, whereas that is devilish. /. Do you, then, argue that every man should have a chance of saving himself ? He. I emphatically so hold. I. Chance plays no part in the kingdom of heaven in view of God's omniscience. In olden times, when heirs were born to aristocrats they consulted magicians who, by astrology, struck their horoscope and told their fate. What the astrologer pre- tended to discover. Heaven knows. How, then, assert chance of children when One sees what must befall them. At His glance, maybe's, perhaps's, peradventure's, and if's, flee as shades at dawn. God cannot but know whether the new-born will live with Him ever or never. Take the alternative, and God is de- graded into a discoverer. Where does chance come in 1 He. Not Divine chance, but human contingency, I ask for. /. Give all you seek, and you have only a veil for ignorance. As to self-saving, I was under the impression that no man can do that, be his opportunities what they may. In such case he, not Christ, will be his Saviour, whereby the Saviour will be so much less a saviour by how many are self-saved. Glasgow has many self-made men, but no self-saved men, nor is there one in Jerusalem the golden. If a sinner has the right of chance but no power, of what use is that right? Again, if he has a right to it, salvation is a matter of debt, not of grace ; then a day 38 CALVINISM POPULARISED of grace is only Heaven paying debts, the holy Creator obliged to a sinful creature. This is sinner-exalting and Saviour-degrad- ing. Angels falling had no opportunity of returning to allegi- ance, but, according to you, rebels against Heaven's Eternal King can demand to return. Be assured, that if Uriel were missioned to Hades to proclaim a gaol delivery, upon condition that its dwellers would become celestials, not a solitary spirit would follow him on his upward slope. He. That is absurd. Would not any being prefer pleasure ? /. There is your error, looking upon finalities as places, as though devils could be happy in Heaven and elect angels wretched in its opposite locality. Those worlds are peopled by creatures whose condition is analogous to the shell which grows out of the moUusca, whether it be snail or oyster. They have bred their own surroundings. An Ayrshire gentleman has a drawing-room prayer meeting. Fearing visitors may run thin he says to a friend, " I don't want a few finely dressed people; all are welcome who have clean flesh, though they have neither gloves nor rings. Just run round our neighbours and invite them in." He goes and finds a group of colliers playing cards. A quarrel is rising out of a penny being wanting in the pool. He goes up the row, but meets with insult upon rebuff. "They wanted no fiddle- faced hypocrites," others had a religion of their own, and some informed him he would be sent for when wanted, &c. We talk of the gates of Hell, but it has none. Its dwellers no more want an exodus, though they need it, than bad people want to leave bad houses. I believe that as we have idiocy, insanity, sleep, coma, and various forms of unconsciousness, so that many pass through our world more or less without knowing it, so is it with that sad world to a greater extent than is generally thought. Who so arranges it that when pain is excessive, insensibility supervenes*? One of the great difiiculties the familiars of the Inquisition had to contend with, was the tortured becoming insensible. Chloroform and other ansesthetics may be earthly pain-killers that merely typify greater beyond. Be assured there will be no more useless pain beyond the cold flood than on our side of it. During the first six years of my Christian career this awful punishment question was fraught with horror, through thinking that multitudes whom we had known would suffer in flames. Being a man, nothing affecting my fellow-men could give me more anguish than so grievous a prospect. He. Can you think less than you did in view of the thrilling doom of the Separater : "Depart from Me, ye cursed, into ever- CALVINISM POPULARISED 39 lasting fire " ? Have you forgotten the worm that dieth not, or the fire unquenchable 1 I. Either thinking is out of my line, or I have thought long and sorrowfully over them, but just as when priests bore their hand heavily on a lamb's head, cut its throat and burnt its body, and yet the sin it was related to was unaffected, though millions of Jews drunk in the belief that animals bore guilt, whereas, the sacrificial knife and fire meant Gethsemane and Golgotha, His being borne down to the ground, and clothed in bloody sweat, being figured by the head of the lamb, being pressed on to the marble floor of the Temple, so worm and fire are awful figures conveying real truths, but I no more believe in fire and worm literal, than Christians taught of the Spirit by "the Hebrews" believe in sin-bearing beasts. He. Do you not think, then, there are external penalties in that evil world analogous to the flood and destruction of the guilty Cities of the Plain 1 I. Unreservedly I so believe. However, these cataracts of Divine vengeance do not fall upon all in Hell equally. " He that knew not, and did commit things worthy of stripes, shall be beaten (but) with few." Can we imagine that Nero, who slew Paul, and a Negro who died in the dark, aged eighteen, will fare identically? If the penalty be literal flame, the punishment must be nearly identical, and most of it from without, while my contention is that it is less from without and more from within. May there not be Hell joy as well as Heavenly, each suited to its subject ? I have seen women with hands in each other's hair, rolling over each other and struggling like vipers. Had the demoness who won the top place at the round's end no joy ? Heavenly angels and earth angels rejoice in truth with Godlike joy, infernal spirits and earth fiends rejoice in iniquity. Our lives stream downwards for ever unless He convert the current, when we naturally flow upwards by celestial attraction. Immor- tality prolongs the direction death found us flowing in. "He that is filthy, let him be filthy still." To some filth is their element, to others they must be clean, else cry — " Wash me, Saviour, or I die." He. Are you not treading dangerous ground ? You are abat- ing the awful momentum of such phrases as "The wrath to come," " In flaming vengeance," " The wrath of the Lamb," " The Lake which burnetii,'' &c. I. To do so is against intention and judgment. That to come, 40 CALVINISM POPULARISED is but dimly shadowed in those awe-inspiring words, because language cannot adequately tell the horror of damnation, and consequently cannot exaggerate it. But I understand those awful expressions of an event, or events, when the Almighty shall forthput His awful indignation upon rebels, rather than of their continued condition. A criminal has to appear before his judge for vile acts. He suffers more in the dock than in his cell ; so in the annals of Hell's unbroken night, the facing of the great white throne will be the bitter memory. He. But your analogy breaks down, inasmuch as the convict may be a garroter sentenced to be flogged, or a murderer doomed to be hung. I. Not so. Some violators are what you say, though the masses are in for petty offences, so of the human race the bulk of the law-breakers shade off from idiots to maniacs, not a man per million being morally educated. These, as Peravians, Tartars, Negroes, Chinese, the aborigines of Europe, America, Africa, Australasia, and their like, can hardly be expected to suffer as dark damnation as foolish virgins, and the gospel hardened. Hell shades off from the Egyptian darkness, in which the lost Scotchman will find himself, to the arctic night of Pygmies in iniquity, who violated the laws of nature and voice of reason, but did not crucify the Son of Man afresh. The more I know of God by nature, revelation, intuition, reason, and His Spirit inly work- ing, the less I believe in a literal fire theory. Though I deny it is fire, I hold that Hell is material. See a corpse in July of one that died ten days before. All that woeful sight is due to sin, and it is material. If, then, God visits with His awful displeasure even the carcass of the sinner, how much more awful will be the appearance of that body when the corrupter reinhabits it at the resurrection unto damnation 1 I have seen ugly women creeping out of closes in Glasgow, but each was beauty contrasted with one raised out of Christ at the last day. Is not that a part of material punishment *? Hell is twofold — loss of Heaven, pain. As to the former, all suffer equally ; as for the latter, no two. He. But do you not read, " The smoke of their torment ascended for ever and ever " 1 I. Though I apply that to the destruction of the Papacy and Mahometanism, I doubt not the idea is applicable to the wicked, who will be for ever miserable. Had not Jesus exorcised seven unclean spirits from Mary, she would, till now, have been wretched with pride, hatred, malice, lust, envy, anger, and obsti- nacy. Fill that sad world with literal fire, and the pain is CALVINISM POPULARISED 41 almost wholly external. Let it be chiefly internal and self- inflicted, we may then fairly say, "Serve them right," but the other view compels a sentimental revolt, and the revulsion of feeling is strongest in the most humane. I as firmly believe there are non-elect infants in that world as I believe there are reprobate men there, but that view would be impossible were I to hold the fire theory. He. Do you place non-literality on the footing of natural impossibility, as it is impossible to make the past present ? /. The three Hebrew children walking unsinged through flames, shows the ability of God to keep the body alive in fire. Hence, concerning the wicked dead, Paul uses this awful language, "It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God." He can keep the wicked alive where they shall seek death and not find it. There are no suicides on the far side of the black veil. He. You being right, why should Jesus and His disciples express themselves in such terrific language '? /. His language was that of nature, which is absolute, ultimate, but not scientific as Moses describing the Genesis of earth and sea optically, not scientifically, as a poet describes an eclipse. He. Probably you present the sad world in this more tolerable aspect, not so much to mitigate its w^oes as to reconcile me to the idea of lost infants. ISTo such effect is produced. Let that world be what it may, I refuse to see any justice in children being therein, as it must be bad at the best, if best be applicable to such place. L My first object is to justify the Divine character, which long seemed to me open to the charge of cruelty, in spite of all acts of faith. My second is to show how my mind has been exercised on this dread subject whereby I find rest. I can't help your refusing belief in non-elect infants. From the standpoint of your system it is impossible you should. Your theology insists that we be saved by personal act, laying hold of Christ, except in the case of infants ; mine that we are saved by Christ embracing us, which is equally true of infants as of adults. No heathen can be saved on your principles, for how shall they lay hold upon Him of whom they have never heard ? Your theology teaches that a man is lost by his own act, mine demands that we are lost by the act of another, our federal head, Adam. That is, if I am saved it is by virtue of relation to the last Adam, to qualify myself for which salvation I do nothing, neither repent, nor believe, nor pray. If lost, it is in relation to the 42 CALVINISM POPULARISED first Adam, by whose act I am born lost, and so remain unless one greater Man translate me from the broad way to the narrow. That I am born deserving banishment from God, and yet unable to make the slightest improvement in my nature. He. Stop there. The idea of an infant deserving damnation when it can no more help receiving birth than we can help sleeping or sneezing is so abhorrent, that I cannot believe you so hold when your heart is bottomed. /. I so believe through studying the merit of the Crucified. Assume we stand over a cradle, and I ask, Do you believe that Jesus died for this child ? Your principles compel you to say yea. Now consider what that involves. Christ is the Eternal, is illimitable in wisdom, infinite in power, His smile makes Heaven jubilant, His frown deepens the gloom of lowest Hell. Night reveals 80,000,000 of flaming suns, which are less to Him than two peas in my hand are to me, moreover, I do not make those peas. Am I to understand that the guilt of that child is so great before God that nothing less than His Son's incarnation and death can atone for it ? What has poor baby been doing ? You must say neither good nor evil, personally. Does this not drive you to allow that relative guilt is an awful reality ? We assumed His death for it; but withdraw such assumption, and logic compels the admission, that without the merit of that death it could not, in case of demise, enter Heaven, which leaves nothing but my assertion as correct. The dying thief was saved of grace, and a child is saved of grace, else they enter of right, having nothing to thank God for any more than I have to thank the doorkeeper at an oratorio, when I hand my ticket. If the dying thief had not been saved, it would have been a case of justice only, and so of an infant. Now justice leaves no room for complaint. You can make no headway until you prove this : Every baby has a right to be glorified. He, Well, admitting that, I am still protected by my belief that He died for all, and therefore for it, of which the child must receive the benefit until forfeited by personal misconduct. /. Think of what you say. Dying for all, He died for me. Suppose you became deaf, dumb, and blind, for my sake, nay, died for me, which is much more. Alter the supposition and say the Prince of Wales died for me ; would not Britons say, How he loved him ? But let the Prince of Peace be incarnate, and suffer so great a death as Calvary, would not angels say, " Behold how He loved him " ? In that life and its deposition for me infinite merit results, to which all my finite demerit is as CALVINISM POPULARISED 43 nothing. If He died for me, and I lived the life of a savage, the impartation of that merit by the Holy Ghost in death would make me as worthy of Heaven as a seraph. " He is able to save to the uttermost." He. You forget He merely died for you among others, and that wilful sin after regeneration is vastly different to sins committed before the new birth. /. If I were dying for you I could see you in my mind's eye, as a lover does his betrothed. When He died He saw all whose names were recorded in His book of the living, for they all live unto Him, in fact, on their part, or design on His. If he died for a billion, His merit is the same for each as though that were the only one for whom He suffered. After studying the scenes of Gethsemane and Golgotha, I am amazed that any man can imagine the intended direction of their merit can be turned aside by human act. So being God comes to the level of "A certain man who drew a bow at a venture." As to what one does after regeneration, see what David and Peter did after new birth. He. But you don't mean to say that the Bethlehemite was a child of God, while the blood of the Hittite was upon him 1 I. Certainly I do. If not, he is lost, as we cannot be regene- rated twice, wherefore, losing celestial birth he could not be re- stored. Hence, after ten months' guilty neglect of duty he wrote in anguish, "Restore unto me the joys of Thy salvation," not salvation, but the consciousness of it. We can forfeit the joy of the redeemed, but not the estate of redemption, for the covenant, ordered in all things, and sure, is not made with us, who would break it, but with Christ, for us, who guarantees fulfilment. On your principles Christ had no warranty that it would avail to attempt man's ransom. All His wisdom might be counteracted by our folly. Moreover, it savours of blasphemy to talk of attempting anything. He saves, not attempts to save, saves once for all. He. You encourage Christians to sin to their hearts' content. They are perfectly safe in so doing. /. Suppose I could answer for it that neither God nor man would punish you for striking your wife and kicking the baby, would you away and play the Bashi-Bazouk ? He. Of course not. It would go against my grain. I. Precisely so. which is also the case of the elect. John says, " He that is born of God cannot sin," that is, as once he did, and as others yet do. 44 CALVINISM POPULARISED He. Away goes the ground beneath you. Showing David sinning, and saying saints can't sin ! /. Tiiat is an illustration of my rule, the absolute put for the comparative. Had the king been like an Indian rajah, Uriah's death would not have caused him one moment's uneasiness, whereas, he shed bitter tears, suffering broken bones until death. He. Very precious to me is the thought that Christ redeemed the world, and no Calvinistic sophistry can deprive me of that blessed belief. /. Say He did, but as Abraham (Gen. xiv. i6) brought back all the captives, that he might bring back Lot. Or, as when Israel was redeemed from Pharaoh, a mixed multitude (Exo. xii. 30) went up with them. But Jesus presented the position in fine form : " The kingdom of heaven is like unto a treasure hid in a field ; the which when a man hath found, he hideth, and for joy thereof, goeth and selleth all that he hath and buyeth that field." Immanuel was that Man who bought the world for the sake of His Church. But do you know the power of the word ransom 1 He. Certainly. Bender sum, give an amount. Render is shortened to rent, the sum rendered for occupation and render sum to ransom. /. How would you relish rendering a sum for a thing and not get it 1 Imagine that sum was your life, and that having yielded your life you failed to obtain the object died for ! He. Of course, that would be trying. /. Hear the voice infallible ! " What king going to make war against another king sitteth not down first, and consulteth whether he be able with ten thousand to meet him that cometh against him with twenty thousand." The Czar came to grief in Armenia and Bulgaria, because he miscalculated the Sultan's power. Had the Triune no sitting at which Satan's power, sin's charms, our foolishness were duly allowed for ? Yea, and the consummation of all was our Shepherd being able to say : " Of those Thou hast given Me I have lost none." Your system pro- jects doubt into the Divine, as He cannot know who will reach Him or perish by the way. He. I deny it. Who doubts His knowledge whether of events trivial or awful 1 He must know who of Adam's stock will be saved. It is written : " Not a sparrow falls to the ground without the will of your Father, but the hairs of your head are all numbered." /. If so, apply that knowledge to two disciples, Peter and CALVINISM POPULARISED 45 Ananias. Conld God love Ananias, Christ die for him, and the Spirit strive with him, all the while knowing He would slay him, and that he would be for ever the Liar King in the burning lake ^ What availed the power of the Three-One but to bring about failure ? Is it not more consistent with facts to say the Father never loved him, the Son did not incarnate for him, the Holy Ghost never dwelt in him. He might be in him officially as in Balaam, Saul, Judas, and Caiaphas. Whereas, Peter was of the Church, of which Paul says, " Christ loved the Church and gave Himself for it.'^ He. To me the thought is abhorrent that one man was born whom God loved not. "His tender mercies are over all His works." /. Let us allow that God loved Ananias, but it is evident He does not. Hence, He has changed. He. By no means. He loves the man, but hates his sin. I. Impossible. As well say. He hates the stream but loves the fountain. He cannot hate sin apart from the sinner, for it only exists as a sinful act of a disobedient creature. Men do not punish drunkenness, theft, and murder, but drunkards, thieves, and murderers. As to mercy, ^'To God that smote Egypt in their first-born; for His mercy endureth for ever. AVho slew Og, king of Bashan." Where was the mercy in slaying Egyptians by water and Og by steel 1 He. Surely we should call that justice. /. Nay, mercy is correct. An officer of the 92nd sends an explosive bullet into the head of a man-eating Bengal tiger. What a mercy to all that place ! Ananias is struck dead, what a mercy to the Church ! Had he lived he would cause splits, heartburnings, and scandals. Whereby we see that God's mercy being over all His works does not guarantee a man is loved. He. I still think it does. You have to face this dilemma. If Peter was loved all his life, which he must have been on your showing, then God loved him in his sins, but the sin of Ananias is put forth as the reason why he was unloved, /. Prepare for high doctrine. God always saw Peter where He sees him, in Christ, faultless even as now. Simon's name was in the Lamb's book before enrolled in the Pvoman census, ay, before the dog-star Sirius shone. As God loved Jeremiah with everlasting love (xxxi. 3), and therefore drew him. I once thought the merit of Calvary covered a man upon repentance, but it is upon him from of old. God does not love sinners, but saints. The son of Jonas was apart from Christ : " A child of 46 CALVINISM POPULARISED wrath, even as others," but as He sent His disciples by twos, so God sends His sons. He. Make yourself clear, for I don't see your meaning about twos. /. He sends them into the world, Christ accompanying each of them life through, and God never sees one without Him, who in His own good time reveals Himself in them. Hence Paul says (Gal. i. 15) : "When it pleased God to reveal His Son in me." The Lord always sees His elect in couples, Christ and Jacob, Christ and Peter, always Christ. "Having loved His own which were in the world, He loved them unto the end." This is that Friend that sticketh closer than a brother. God never loves a man more than once. When a Christian walks in Arminian twilight, and is asked how long God loved him, he answers, i, 10, 20, 30, or more years; but when the way divine is revealed, it scatters all clocks, almanacs, and histories to the invisible, for he sees His love is unbeginning, dateless, eternal. On your principles, God views the coming man with benevolent neutrality until it is manifest whether he will repent and believe, when, providing he does. He then loves him during faithful allegiance. All of which is to me a form of blasphemy upon God's knowledge, Christ's merit, and the Spirit's intentions. As to the latter, suppose that a man is newly created of Him, a.d. 1866, can it be imagined that He did that without intending to do it 1 gave eternal life to a spirit unintentionally 1 He must have intended to do so, and therefore we ask, when first ? The only defensible answer is eternally. But if He eternally intended to quicken that soul in 1866, He must have everlastingly loved it, which covers his past, present, and future life, unless He changes. The sin of his life is absorbed in the merit of His Life. He. God is holy, and He can only love the holy. How can He love an impenitent man ? After that He repents, weeps, prays, and then believes on His Son, He begins to love him. /. That is, our love generated His, so making the Creator's action depend on the creature, whereby the Christian's love is older than Christ's. John says : " He that is born of God loveth " God and man. That disciple so teaches that we cannot love Him till born of Him. " We love Him because He first loved us." We are not more loved after repentance than before it. He. Yes, loved the world so as to give every soul a chance. 7. Did He know how many would avail themselves of it 1 He. Most assuredly. /. Then did He love those whom He saw would rebel through CALVINISM POPULARISED 47 life, reject His service and dwell in Hell ? Say Ananias died aged forty, was he loved of Him from birth until He struck him dead 1 He. He forfeited that love by free will. /. How forfeit Almighty love ? You speak of God as though we control Him, not He us. With you it is up with the clay and the criminal, but down with potter and judge. The question is, had Ananias God's love ever set on him ? He. Such must be, because Jesus says: "God so loved the world," and he being one of the world must have been so loved. /. We both hold that is true of Peter. How then can one reach the happy realms while other is in unbroken gloom 1 He. It must be the obedience of Peter. /. God says: "Who hath made thee to differ," that you might recognise sovereign grace in salvation, but you turn round saying you made yourself differ, wherefore the glory of salv^ation is gone from the true Differentiator to a self-imagined one. The mad Chaldee king might set up a metal image on the plains of Dura, but there will be no creature, metal or immortal, glorified on the plains of Heaven, where they sing, "Non nobis Domine," "Not unto us, Lord." As Nebuchadnezzar offered odours to Daniel, so God will have to worship, or at least greatly admire you. He. We must seek the difference somewhere, and if the case of all is the same as to condemnation, then God or the particular man must sway the balance to the right if to the right it goes. If God does it, you are in this predicament : He might as easily save all as some, and the odium of partiality and limitation is thrown upon Deity instead of humanity. The force of this con- tention is increased by knowing the atonement was sufl&cient to cover all, being made for all. /. That error is huge, vast, awful. Why God saves this man rather than that does not appear. It is by no means clear that if He rendered reasons for saving one of the crucified robbers and not the other, we could understand them any more than a juvenile understands profound questions in politics, as the Munro doctrine, or Panslavism. It does not strike me that the icliy would be comprehensible, because founded upon wisdom, deep and Divine ; our trivial vessel would not contain a flood so oceanic. " The just shall live by his faith." By a sovereign act you have two good eyes, are European, whereas another is born blind in Nigritia. He has the right, as well as power, to dispose of creatures as He will, and is unable to w^ill unjustly. As to the 48 CALVINISM POPULARISED Lamb taking away tlie sin of the world, a sin-offering means an offering for a sinner. To me the sin of the world means the sins of those whose names were in His book before day and night began their long chase of each other — the Catholic Church, the mystical body of Christ, the otir of Psalm xc. i, ye, of Matt. xxv. 34, and our of the Lord's Prayer, the wJwsoever of John iii. 15, those typified by Gideon's lappers. John says : "The Word was the true Light which lighteth every man that cometh into the world," meaning whosoever is spiritually enlightened is so by Christ. A German says: "I suppose your people travel by canal 1 " I replied, " Oh no, that is too slow for this age, every- body goes by rail." Meaning whosoever travels goes, as a rule, by train. John clearly means by whosoever, all men, the world. Gentiles as well as Jews. He. Why not say " He died for the elect " ? and it would be plain. /. That is wrong, seeing our Lord came not to bring life and immortality, but to bring them to light, cause them to be under- stood by His people, illustrate them by resurrection. John would have been incomprehensible in such case, as the people did not comprehend the high meaning of sacrifices and the temple service. Election and resurrection were known before Christ, but little known. Christ spoke more of election than all the rest of the Scriptures to and in Malachi, as did the Apostles, leaving to the last of them to formulate the doctrine to the Church in Rome, as he previously had the resurrection to Corinth. It is not intended that doctrines be laid down like laws and state papers, as there would be less room for moral trial in believing them. In my discussion with Mr. Roberts of Birmingham, the arch- Christadelphian, I showed that man's natural immortality was explicitly taught in the Apocrypha, Philo Judoeus, and Josephus, but failed to show it is explicitly taught in the Bible, not getting bej^ond its being implicitly taught therein. That is, uninspired authors made the doctrine of natural immortality plainer than inspired writers do. The Bible does not explicitly teach the being of God, nor of angels. It were easy for Him to make all doctrines plain as the Decalogue, but He left many in the inferential stage, that sufficing for the honest. He. I receive that as an apology for having no such text as this : Christ died for the elect, and them only. /. It nowhere says so, but it asserts what is tantamount : " I lay down My life for My sheep." Jesus called Herod a fox. John calls the hypocritical Jews vipers. The man of Patmos says : CALVINISM POPULARISED 49 "Without are clogs" (within sheep). Did He die for foxes, vipers^ dogs^ outsiders, or for sheep 1 Paul records " He loved the Church, and gave Himself for it." He spent his strength as an imitator, and says : " I suffer all things for the elect's sake," which shows Master and man co-operating and sympathising. Moreover, in a true sense the elect are the world, though the world are not the elect. Suppose you belong to a trades-union, a benefit society, or vote at an election. In such cases, arrange- ments are come to in which minorities go for nothing, are lost sight of. So the Houses of Parliament frequently divided upon the Eastern Question, but the minority were lost sight of in diplomatic arrangements with Russia. The Czar dealt with us as though we were one, though masses opposed the policy pursued. At the last day the just will represent humanity, the redeemed will be viewed as the whole. Rebels will be lost sight of, so many nothings. When the eight left the ark, did not they represent our race ? Similarly, we who live stand for humanity, not the dead. The living will at the last stand for all, and most of all. He who is the life. The wicked are the rotten branches pruned off, but the tree is a tree without them. In the autumn a gardener says of a tree : This is its crop, though buds came to nothing, young fruit fell by frost-bite, and some rotted by vermin or weather. The latter are lost sight of. So with humanity on the other side of Christ's tribunal. He. But Isaiah utters these words of beauty: "All we like sheep have gone astray, and Jehovah laid upon Him (Christ) the sins of us all." AH have gone astray, all are lost sheep, all equally sinners, and our sins are equally laid on Him. /. Did the son of Amoz apply that to Philistines and Ama- lekites equally with Israelites ? That would make His sheepfold into a menagerie, cast the children's bread unto the dogs. The Jews, with all their faults, were, from the moral point of view, a vast stride ahead of the most civilised nations of antiquity. Compare them with the modern Sioux Indians, Sepoy rebels, Bulgarians, Turks, Cossacks, Circassians, or with communities still bordering upon Palestine. Some men and nations go astray like tigers, as the French in 1798, others as sheep. Christ came to seek until He should find the lost sheep of the house of Israel. His eureka cry was, "It is finished," for then He found. He. He came to seek sinners, and we are that, therefore He came to seek and save each natural son of Adam. /. I would that we were all sinners, then would He be the 50 CALVINISM POPULARISED •Saviour of men in its full sense. Unhappily every man is self- righteous until under conviction. Breaking the moral law makes actual sinners, receiving the Holy Ghost makes conscious sinners. Christ came to save the latter. Sinners are not eligible until His forerunner the Spirit enters. The first symptom of entry is grief. When you say : He comes to seek every man, well know^ing that millions perish in sin, you put Him below the woman in the parable, who sought her lost piece of silver until she found it. Think of the annoyance we suffer from a fruitless search. Now what shall we say of him who seeks what he knows cannot be found 1 According to you, Christ sought Sapphira, knowing He would never say to neighbours in glory : " Kejoice with Me, for I have found My sheep which was lost." He seeks phenomenally, apparently, but finds as straight as a reed and as quick as a flash. To His elect, the message is the same as to the world for judgment : "Behold, I come suddenly." I can imagine His manifesting Himself in a man gradually, parallel to life being in a man, but not much observed, but cannot think of Christ coming by degrees. In fact. He is not only not so represented, but it opposes our first principles of reasoning. The Quickener comes quickly. He. Still I believe Christ died for each man of our race, as for John, so for Judas. I have so long taken that view that it is ingrained not simply into my creed, but my mental constitution. /. Well, let me present the matter in a logical form. 1. Either He died for some of the sins of some men ; 2. Or for some of the sins of all men ; 3. Or all the sins of all men ; 4. Or all the sins of some men. Examine these theses, and see whether the truth is not there- among. He. Oh yes, it must be there ; the question is, as to in which. /. Let us use the exhaustive process eliminating error, so that we win a residuum of truth. The first and second theses are useless, as partial salvation is unthinkable. The third is univer- salism, which we two equally deny. Therefore, the fourth must yield the solution sought. He. Nay, but the third is true provisionally ; that is. He atoned for every man if the atoned for fulfil certain conditions. 7. How that, when He died in the centre of the world's history? If He died when Abel did, your case would fail, for the conditions should be fulfilled before the death. Jude tells us that the citizens of Sodom are suffering the vengeance of eternal fire : seeing they CALVINISM POPULARISED 51 were lost thousands of years before a.d. 33, how could Jesus die for them providing they would do certain things? And as it avails nothing to die for those who were lost, it being as naturally impossible to save them as it is to make two and six the same, so it would be equally useless to die for those who would perish. He. Nay, I hold that the fountain of salvation was opened in Eden when the Lord said : " The Seed of the woman shall bruise the Serpent's head," and that it flowed on full and free like a river, and is flowing, and will flow till that fountain is sealed by the judgment of the last day. If dwellers at the sea- side will not bathe, do we blame the ocean ? If those living on the banks of a river will not drink, do you blame the affluent stream ? /. But your analogy will not apply. Say the first act of Parliament in this century was an educational one, containing the two following clauses : — A7id be it enacted that all education shall be free, so far as the payment for instruction by parents is concerned, such payments being made from the impericd treaswy of His Majesty, and in no case from private sources : and be it further enacted that no parent, guardian, or person entrusted with the care of any child or children, shall compel their charge to attend any such free school, or receive instruction from any teacher thereof. In that case King George would not pay one penny per annum for all England and Scotland. Instead of that, parents compel their offspring to receive instruction, and where the parents neglect, Parliament steps in with a compulsory clause. Heaven seeing our foolishness, that offering salvation would not save one of Adam's race, the Great King passed a compulsory decree making us willing in the day of His power being manifested. No man would wash when left to his will. We first suffer cleansing, and then enjoy it. Paul suffered it three days, to enjoyment for ever. Say the water of life flows by every door- step, cottage, or palace, what if there be no thirsting ? Jesus died, not that the water of life should be brought nigh to every soul, but that when nigh unto His they should thirst. Whence I claim proposition four to be true. Time.— WEDNESDAY EVENING, Eight o'clock. Place.— NELSON'S MONUMENT. Persons. He. A Weak-Kneed but True Disciple, who has been listening to Arminian Superficialities of the Deluso- Charming Kind. /. A Pronounced Free- Grace Man. Disputation. Extent of the Atonement and Kindred Topics. He. Excuse my asking a few questions. I w^ould not put them, but your views seem strange, and yet you appear to believe them, judging from your vigour and persistency in so teaching. I do not inquire to pose, but to learn. /. As I am frequently attacked by catechisers whose minds are foreclosed to replies, it is a luxury to be inquired of by one open to conviction. He. On such assurance, I ask how you teach that Jesus died for some, when Paul explicitly teaches (Heb. ii. 9) : " Jesus by the grace of God should taste death for every man.'' I. You will be shown no such text is in the Book after we speak a little on dying for every man. But answer me frankly, not as an enemy who fences, but as a brother believer. Did He die to do a possible thing or an impossible thing ? He. Such question contains its own reply. He died to effect a possible end. /. When He was on Calvary, millions were in the land of the damned. Christ meant as much when He put these words into Abraham's mouth : " Between us and you there is a great 52 CALVINISM POPULARISED 53 chasm fixed." There us and yo2C mean all in Paradise with Lazarus, or in Tartarus with the rich man. Could Christ's death redeem those Abraham termed you, as the ISToachian rebels, the six hundred charioteers, and Cain, Korah, Dathan, Abiram, and their co-mutineers ? He. I certainly think those who die filthy remain so. /. Do you not believe that Ananias, Nero, and others perished since ? He. There is reason to fear they are perished. /. Then if impossible to save those already lost, must it not be equally impossible to save those who would be lost ? He. The inference seems inevitable, but so violates my senti- ments, that it may be said to be wrenched out. 7. As on Calvary, w^hen Jesus was in the midst, having the penitent robber- on His right, and the reprobate on His left, so shall it be when He occupies the great white throne at doomsday. He. Stop, stop ! How know you the order in which the Cruci- fied suffered ? /. By analogy, thus. At the paschal supper John reclined on the bosom of Jesus, and as the usual thing at such gatherings was to lean on the left elbow, John must have been first man to our Lord's right, so Judas must have been first to His left, or he could not receive the sop, for the arm of Jesus would only reach the next man. The right hand is the place of honour, hence. He sits at the right hand of the Majesty on high. Seeing then that Providence arranged all things in wisdom, had the impenitent thief been to the right of the Son of man there would be a knot in the thread, but all was smooth. The man on the right had his place not of merit, but sovereignty, that a sheep be found at the side of the Shepherd, whereby His elect might know, that as he was saved of sheer grace, so they. At the judgment coming, Israel's Shepherd will divide them as at that, the pardoned of relational merit receiving the right unto eternal companionship with Him, the unforgiven of desert to the left unto everlasting isolation. That being so, of what avail to die for those sinister 1 He. I always hold He died equally for both, all depending upon themselves taking advantage of that blessed fact. Do not forget that one said : " Lord, remember mew^hen Thou comest in Thy kingdom." Not into. He is enlightened to foresee the Messiah coming in His kingdom, surrounded by millions of willing subjects, and wishes to be one. L Very good ; but observe the eyes of a robber who deserved crucifijxion in Jerusalem, so great a criminal was he, and damna- 54 CALVINISM POPULARISED tion in Hell, so great a sinner was he, who had joined his com- rade when scoffing at Christ, being opened to see the Son of man in the dying man, must be a gracious act, not a natural one. He had surely been quickened unto God. One apostle says : "No man can call Jesus Lord, save by the Holy Ghost." Therefore He must have received Him, wherefore, he prayed while his companion in agony settled silently down into the dark waters of Jordan. The prayer of that righteous man no more saved him than my speaking makes me alive. My voice proves I am alive, his prayer showed he was alive unto God. He. Righteous man ! A minute since you styled him a robber. I. He passed from death in sin to life in Christ in the twinkling of an eye. Surely the Blessed illustrates what the Spirit wrote (Rom. iv. 5), where Paul calls God " Him that justifieth the ungodly." That dying one had been ungodly, but justified of Him. In his case works were out of the question, and no less so in ours, but we fail to see our guilt as clearly as his. Why should identical circumstances produce no repentance in his companion ? He. Probably he was better brought up than his comrade, might even have heard some of our Lord's sermons. /. That makes him worse, having abused greater opportunities to the extent of insulting Him by whom they were given. These are some of the reasons for his sudden conversion : before the first angelic solo broke creation's silence, His name, to us un- known, was written in the Lamb's book and reserved with His brethren in the archives of the then untenanted God- built Jerusalem — His part to be played on Calvary was arranged of Heaven for the benefit of the Catholic Church that how each man is saved might be known — Christ died for him — the Spirit created him in the Divine similitude. All the saved are saved as he — passively, undeservedly, and suddenly. He. Surely you err. The saved do not all live wickedly to the brink of eternity. /. It strikes me I can see the notion possessing you. Is it not this : if a man is regenerated in early manhood, spends years, Livingstone like, for the glory of God and the good of men, he must not be compared with our subject ? He. Well, and is it not so ? /. Certainly not. Say he is converted at twenty, works dili- gently in the gospel field until seventy. At his last birthday he is not a whit more acceptable to God than at his twentieth. He appreciates God's love more, rejoices in the great salvation, grows CALVINISM POPULARISED 5§ in conscious enjoyment of God's almighty favour, but does not rise one grade in His love, for he is loved in Christ, and only for His sake. If else we can augment the generative cause of the Father's love, but how that, seeing it antedates us and time, yea, and thought 1 He. I have never seen things in that light, but looked upon disciples as in a position similar to children, who were loved extra, like Joseph, when doing specially well, and loved less when they wrought evil, as Reuben. But does not that encourage believers to slacken diligence, seeing the love is increasable ? /. It has the opposite tendency. Considering God loved us in Christ while we were stupid, unmanageable boys, loves us now in our blunderings and wanderings, loves us after the mortal is past, when earth and seas are fled, what motive can be mightier to live onward, upward. Pearl- ward lives ? He. I feel bound to say so too. But you lose sight of my towering difficulty. Proving He did not die for those who perish, while the Bible says He gave himself a ransom for all, only enhances my difficulty, in fact, puts me in a maze. I. The Bible is not our translation of the Bible, but that sacred book in the Hebrew and Chaldee of the 0. T., and the Greek of the N. T. is. In case of doubt we refer to the original. Doing so with your text, "Jesus by the grace of God should taste death for evenj man" we discover the words rendered eve7y man are uper pantos. Do you know what sup>er means in super- numerary, sM^er-vision, superiov, sitperh ? He. Why, yes, to be sure — over. /. Well, this uper of the Greek is super with us, in fact, the same word. Here are two well-known words, panto-mime, all mimicry, imitation ; ^awfo-graph, all writing. They would be written pantosmime, pantosgvsi^h, only that sounds harsh, hence s is left out. This is pantos of the text. What do you think it means ? He. Evidently it is used with the force of all. /. Our case, then, stands thus : the text should read, " That He by the grace of God should taste death (die) over all." Being left with an adjective at its end, the sentence is elliptical, and the difficulty lies in finding what noun all qualifies. When you read the context, which may fairly be said to be the entire chapter, you see the word must be either (His) brethren, or (God's) sons. Viewed as our elder Brother, and He dies over His hrethren ; viewed as God's Son, and He dies over the children of God. I prefer the latter, for it implies our weakness and His 56 CALVINISM POPULARISED love undeserved. Brethren might do something to save them- selves, but how about children ? He. Well, certainly there is something in that I like. I seem to see it better, and yet am no nearer understanding the case, for I see no sense in the expression dying over children. /. The Word will make the matter plain. Turn to Gen. xsxii. II, where Jacob says : " Deliver me, I pray Thee, from the hand of my brother, from the hand of Esau : for I fear him lest he will come and smite me, the mother ove?^ the children." Israel feared that Edom would rush at the head of four hundred warriors, and with a war-whoop slay him, and then shrieking mothers would wrap themselves round their bairns, but these men of blood would spear the little ones through their mother's bodies, in which case a mother would vainly die over her child. This gives a glimpse into the awful life Esau led that his brother should so testify of him to God. There is no true religion where humanity is wanting, hence the Israelites were not only to be humane to babies, but even to birds (Deut. xxii. 6) : " If a bird's nest chance to be before thee, in the way in any tree, or on the ground, young ones or eggs, and the dam sitting over the young, or over the eggs, thou shalt not take the dam over the young " (birds). This illustrates our meaning, but yet more does (Hosea x. 14) : " Thy fortresses shall be spoiled, as Shalman (eser) spoiled Beth-arbel in the day of battle : the mother was dashed in pieces over children." Who can doubt that when Herod sent soldiers to Bethlehem and slew the children, a similar scene was enacted ? The matriarch Rachel was entombed close by, and is represented as so affected by the slaughter that rising from her sepulchre she shrieked in chorus with the mothers dying over their innocents. Your view of Jesus dying over all men in part reduces Him to the level of the women of Beth-arbel and Bethlehem, filled with helpless love. When Jesus wept over Jerusalem He compares Himself to a hen crying in alarm to her brood. If the Jews had, at the call of John and Jesus, fled to the refuge, Jerusalem would have escaped Roman fire. Jesus could hear the Roman eagles scream forty years away, but His alarm left them unsheltered. The call of Jesus and his forerunner was external, but the Spirit call, not to a nation or a congregation, but one soul, never fails. "Blessed are they that are called to the marriage supper of the Lamb," because called individually they infallibly sit thereat. The call to Jerusalem was like rain falling upon the just and the unjust, but that of the Spirit is like ''Come, ye blessed of My Father" from the throned Brother. His wail over the city put Him on CALVINISM POPULARISED 57 the list of preachers, saying : " Who hath believed our report, and to whom is the arm of the Lord revealed 1 " Yet He said : '' My word shall not return unto Me void, but shall accomplish the ^■'ang whereunto I send it." The outer word, even though the preacher be Jesus, goes for nothing compared with the Spirit's call, to which outer speech is as shell to kernel. There is no small beauty in the Spirit presenting Jacob's wives, the women of Beth-arbel, the mothers in Bethlehem, the bird on its nest, the hen with her brood, all dying or ready to die over loved ones. There is a combination of affection and weakness not met with out of the Bible. A more excellent contrast to Divine love than the affection of women and_^birds can hardly be. There is nothing like that in the regions of angeldom, whose nearest approach is more Hke students than lovers or mothers (i Pet. i. 12) : " Which things angels bow over." Clearly alluding to the cherubim on the ark of the covenant gazing thereinto and studying the com- mandments, searching how the law when broken could be honoured, as nothing in the experience of angels corresponded. Angels sang at the Incarnation, but hurried back to Heaven, whereas the Incarnate dwelt among us till driven to His Father by death. Ministering spirits sing and hurry away. He stays and is crucified; they bow their heads to study the plan of salvation, but their Lord says " Lo, I am with you alway." Jesus wept over Jeru- salem, but died over us, received in Himself the sword of justice unto death for a time, which else must have slain us for eternity. He. I certainly do see that uper pantos satisfactorily, and am mastering the puzzle, so long suffered, as to our Lord weeping over Jerusalem. It always had an unpleasant would-if-I-could look, which not even Arminians like at bottom. /. It was my pet offence, my great stumbling-block, but I see Christ assumed the form of a servant, preaching became an ex- ternal act, like any of His missioned ones. David wept over Jerusalem (2 Sam. xv. 30), as type of his greater Son, both weep- ing from the same mount: ^' David went up by the ascent of Olivet, and wept as he went up." Jesus wept over his dead friend Lazarus — over dead Jerusalem — over a dead world in Gethsemane, acting similarly towards each. Lazarus was called from the tomb, many being left in it — His sheep were called out O/^ Jerusalem and safely folded on the mountains of Perea — He brings His Bride out of the world to dwell in safety on the hills of immortality. As a man He wept, preached, and taught ; but as God He called, quickened, blest. There lately was lost to Glasgow a godly man who wrote the following hymn, which to some is 58 CALVINISM POPULARISED thrillingly beautiful, but to me rank blasphemy, where teaching that *' When the rebel chooses wrath, God wails his hapless lot." Does that agree with the destruction of the Old World by water, the Pentapolis by fire, or the wrath of the Lamb 1 We on the Green find that Morisonians have a weakness towards XJniver- salism. What wonder ? That system knows nothing of a wail- ing God, nor does orthodoxy. " 'Tis evening : over Salem's towers a golden lustre gleams, And lovingly and lingeringly the sun prolongs his beams. He looks as on some work undone, for which the hour has past, So tender is his glance and mild, it seems to be his last. But a brighter Sun is looking on — more earnest is His eye, For thunder clouds must veil Him soon, and darken all the sky : O'er Zion still He bends, as loath His presence to remove, And o'er her walls there lingers yet the sunshine of His love. 'Tis Jesus ! with an anguished heart, a parting glance He throws, For mercy's day she has sinned away for a night of dreadful woes : 'Would thou hadst known,' He said, while down his face rolled many a tear, ' My words of peace in this thy day — but now thy end is near. Alas for thee, Jerusalem ! How cold thy heart to Me ! How often in these arms of love, would I have gathered thee ! My sheltering wing had been your shield. My love your happy lot, I would it had been thus with thee ; I would, but ye would not ! ' He wept alone, and men passed on — the men whose woes He bore, They saw the Man of Sorrows weep, they had seen Him weep before — They asked not who those tears were for, they asked not whence they flowed — Those tears were for rebellious man — their source the heart of God ! They fell upon this desert earth like drops from heaven on high. Struck from an ocean-tide of love that fills eternity. With love and tenderness divine those crystal cells o'erflow — 'Tis God that weeps, through human eyes, for human guilt and woe ! That hour has fled — those tears are told — the agony is past ; The Lord has wept, the Lord has bled, but He has not loved — His last ! From heaven His eye is downward bent, still ranging to and fro. Where'er, in this wild wilderness, there roams a child of woe. Nor his alone — The Three-in-One that looked through Jesus' eye, Could still the harp of angel bands to hear the suppliant sigh ; And when the rebel chooses lorath, God wails his hapless lot, Deep breathing from His heart of love — ^ I would, but ye xoould not.' " He. I allow the matter never was so presented to my mind. There was always an offensive lack of harmony between His will and power. Still I do not see why He wept over the city, in view of its destruction being decreed. CALVINISM POPULARISED 59 /. Why, then, weep over Lazarus, whom God decreed to die, or he could not have died ? Though death is decreed to the man, fire to the city, destruction to the world, yet that is the outcome of sinful obstinacy over which we weep. Could He weep over the city had its destiny been uncertain 1 A ship sails, and ignorant of her fate we do not weep ; but if we knew she would sink, and its gallant crew perish, properly we might weep. Before weeping He foretold the destruction of the city (Matt. sxii. 2) : " The kingdom of heaven is like unto a certain King which made a marriage for His Son. . . . And the remnant took His servants (the prophets), and entreated them spitefully, and slew them. But when the King heard thereof He was wroth ; and He sent forth His armies (Titus and his soldiers) and destroyed those murderers (at the siege of Jerusalem), and burned up their city." It is not the tears of the Preacher over a wicked corporation that avails, but His blood for one. Tears are many, and so the theo- cratic people, but the blood is one for one, Christ for the Christian. Christ is bi-corporal — has two bodies. He. That sounds nonsensical. I. He has a physical and a mystical body. Now the former died for the latter. Mystical body is an expression for the Catholic Church, His elect. As we have each a definite number of bones in our body, so He in His mystical body, whereby it is plain that the atonement was definite. He died for an express number, those written in Heaven. He. I must say that is not clear. If an event is decreed it becomes necessary, is inevitable, and consequently responsibility is gone to those bringing it about, inasmuch as acts leading to the decreed point are foreordained, vv^hereby agents fulfilling the plan cease to be amenable for doing it, being under an irresistible impulse. /. Let us weigh that in the balances of the sanctuary. Ben- hadad was ill. His servant Hazael came to consult Elisha as to his chances of recovery : " Elisha said unto him. Go, say unto him, Thou mayest certainly recover : howbeit the Lord hath shewed me he shall surely die." Then Elisha stared Hazael out of countenance, and being unable to stand the tension of his mind, relieved himself by tears. "Hazael said. Why w^eepeth my lord ] And he answered. Because I know the evil that thou wilt do unto the children of Israel ; their strongholds 2cilt thou set on fire, and their young men icilt thou slay with the sword," &c. His answer shows him full of conceit, and, like all who go in for the dignity of fallen humanity, had no notion he was capable 6o CALVINISM POPULARISED of criminality. I ask attention to the one shall of God, and the four wills of Elisha. The Lord had exposed to His servant's gaze a page of the book of fate. The decretive form of Deity is shall, our formula ivill. Was not Hazael decreed to murder his master seeing it was written : " He shall surely die," and how was not dimly hinted ? He. It is useless denying it. I. Do you then condemn the course he pursued ? He. Certainly I do. /. Where is your consistency after saying that parties decreed to act are not amenable to acting 1 He. My logic clears whom nij sentiment condemns. /. Do Elisha's tears condemn Hazael logically or sentimentally 1 He. Sentimentally, being through foresight of his sin. L Thus we have Elisha, David, and Jesus, each weeping over things decreed. At the last supper Jesus said to Peter, "Amen, amen, I say unto thee, that this night, before the cock crow twice, thou shall deny me thrice," not speaking as Elisha, but as God. Could the son of Jonas do else than what Christ determined he should (not would) do 1 He. I don't see how he could. /. Peter went out and wept bitterly. John was at the cross at 2.30 P.M. of that black Friday, but unaccompanied by Cephas. Was it right for him to weep 1 He. I justify his tears at the expense of my reason. I feel Peter ought to w^eep, but think he ought not. /. After Jesus rose from the dead, Peter, full of the Spirit, waxed bold, and libelling crucifiers said: "Ye denied the Holy One and the Just, and desired Barabbas to be granted unto you." The next day Peter said to God, '''Of a truth against Thy holy child Jesus, whom Thou hast anointed, both Herod and Pontius Pilate, with the Gentiles and the people of Israel, were gathered for to do whatsoever Thy hand and Thy counsel determined before to be done." He condemns their sin, but says it was decreed. If an inspired apostle condemns them, can't you compel your logic to do so too 1 He. No ; but I begin to see my reasoning is fallacious at some point. If you put your finger on the offender it will j^lease. J. Does God foreordain His acts? Does He act with pre- determination, by a plan, a fixed intention, or as circumstances permit ? He. The latter view is indefensible, as it implies defective knowledge. CALVINISM POPULARISED 6i /. Seeing that God is, was, and must ever be absolutely free, He must be absolutely free after ordaining His own acts ; may we not be relatively free after that He foreordains ours ? He. I see my reasoning a little agee, but new truth fits ill on my mentality. It will shake into its place as uniforms on recruits. Still, I suffer haze respecting their liberty harmonising with the Divine will. /. Let me try to wrap all up in few words : God made men free, and foreseeing what they would will. He willed they should so will, i.e.y was willing they should so will, willed it in the second degree, by permissive endorsement. He wills in the first degree when He inspires, works in, implants thoughts, desire, or intention, by infusion. As to Peter condemning the Jerusa- lemites, the glorious Lord deserved all that is meant in those dread words — Gethsemane, where He sweat blood in His great solitary agony — Gabbatha, on which He was flogged by the lictor nigh unto death — Golgotha, where He hung stark naked for six mortal hours ? He. Deserved that ! The thought is shocking. Do not repeat so painful a statement. It seems treachery to Jesus to stand by and hear it. /. Hear Israel's great prophet say : "It pleased Jehovah to bruise Him." Who dare say the Lord delighted in wrong "? The sublime transaction of Calvary was just. Christ was personally immaculate, immeasurably separated from sinners. A child dies personally innocent. I ask what has the bairn done to deserve death ? We consider a criminal awfully bad who deserves that. No reply is competent but — it is akin to that arch-rebel Adam. As the infant deservedly died because of Adam, the Second Adam died deservedly because of us. " The chastisement of our peace was upon Him, by His stripes we are healed." If horrified at this, why not at its equivalent in the Pauline Epistles : " For God hath made Christ sin for us. Who knew no sin, that we might be made the righteousness of God in Him " ? There is the dogma. He. But some hold sin there means a sin-offering, like animals presented to God under the Levitical dispensation, by parties who felt guilt and sought expiation. /. Paul means more than that, because God meant more. As the child is relatively guilty, though personally innocent, so the Son of man deserved death from birth, deserved it when angels sang over the fields of Bethlehem. The marriage of the Princess Louise with the Marquis of Lome was termed a morganatic 62 CALVINISM POPULARISED alliance, marrying below her status. Suppose she had married a ticket -of -leave man instead of one of whom any wife might be proud, would not all say she deserved censure 1 But what shall be said of Christ entering Adam's family ? His alliance brought Him down as it raised us. Wherefore the ex-inquisitor says : " By one man's (Adam First) disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of One (Adam Last) shall (not ivill, decree, not prophecy) many be made righteous." Adam's sin and ours made Him a sinner, while His obedience makes us righteous. So then He became guilty for a season that we should become the righteousness of God (not merely righteous, but the righteous- ness of Him) for ever. Two parties acted in the drama of cruci- fixion — crucifiers, from Pilate down to the legionaries who dug the hole for the cross, behaving wickedly unto murder — the Father who sacrificed the Son of His bosom, as Abraham offered the son of his loins. Whatsoever is done, God is, in some sense, its doer, and yet the actors may be the guiltiest wretches Bulgaria or Circassia ever produced, for God, at Calvary, acted through murderers. All depends upon motive. Christ died by His own will, not less so by that of the Father, Caiaphas, Judas, Satan, Pharisees, soldiers. All willed the same, each for a diverse reason. A man wills the same event as God does, and yet sinfully. A drunken father wishes his son to die, as the boy is a draught on his purse. Another wills in opposition to the will of God, though submissively, and He smiles. An overburdened family man maintains his aged father. The old man is ailing unto death, but his son hopes he may live. We have no business with will absolute, but with will preceptive, which guides us unto life. He. I really thank you for your views on our Lord deserving death. The very sound of it was repulsive, but now glorious. Howbeit, I except your double will in the Deity. A system such as that seems contradictory. J. By no means. Moses commands Pharaoh to let Israel go, but knew it was His absolute will he should not then let them go. Before that, Abraham was commanded to sacrifice Isaac on Moriah. Yet He did not mean him to do so. This is no more contradictory than in nature one animal keeps down another, which else might be ill endured. An adjutant kills snakes, the ichneumon destroys crocodiles' eggs, swallows clear away midges. This balancing of animals, harmonising nature, cannot be termed contradictory, because each animal serves fa difi'erent purpose. What keeps the planetary orbs in their unbroken order but the CALVINISM POPULARISED 63 co-action and co-operation of centripetal and centrifugal forces 1 Those forces, working in different directions, result in order, and, though opposite, are not contradictory. Consider the relationship of birth, death, and resurrection. We do not call these contra- dictory, as they severally fulfil one purpose. He. Very well, that's pretty clear, but you said portions of the Scriptures were mistranslated. So saying, with talk about re- visions, mistranslations, and interpolations, shakes the confidence of an operative in his Bible. One place being defective or redundant, others may be too, and who's to draw the Hne ? How can I know I possess the mind Divine ? It is said that a little girl hearing an awfully learned Broad descanting upon different readings, the inspired not being infallible, when she returned home asked her mother : " Mamma, where does the Bible begin to be true ? " If you do not deem me impertinent, I ask the same. /. In passing through wheat fields in autumn, we see poppies here and there amongst the corn. They tell of the East, whence wheat came. Had wheat been like grass, indigenous, we should have no such gay nuisances. When wheat was introduced, the seed of weeds common to the East were brought therewith. Should a farmer sow no wheat because of weeds ? He. No, simply clean his seed-wheat before sowing. 7. Just so ; we are getting out of the Book all extraneous por- tions by revision, as he by screening. Would a housewife act wisely by refusing to make bread from flour because it grew where was here and there a poppy 1 He. Of course not. Experience shows that good bread is made therefrom, and she will make and bake as aforetime. Your analogy is, that though the Bible is heavenly we receive it through an earthly medium, which does not essentially, though it may appreciably, mar its value. But how can I know its chapters are veritably of God, the original of which I am ignorant. /. Christ and His apostles used a third-rate translation, the Septuagint, far less accurate than our Authorised Version, whereby we see that translation when inaccurate, if not inten- tionally and grossly so, conveys the Divine mind sufficiently for guidance if used honestly. Better a Frenchman use the " Bor- deaux Testament," the worst translation known, prayerfully and with simplicity, than peruse in a careless, carping spirit the best rendered. Any translation, however bad, read on the knees, with strong cries to the Inspirer, leads to God, while the best will not without the Guide. 64 CALVINISM POPULARISED He. But you fail to show how I, who ah^eady believe, may know that I am not following cunningly devised fables. /. By the historical evidence, as seen in Babylonian, Assyrian, Idumean, Greek, and Eoman antiquities, the results of the ex- ploration of Palestine, the Apocrypha, and the works of Philo Judseus and Josephus. Failing ability to get at these, you have it in the Jews, their current writings and present ritual. Failing which you have it in its internal evidence, its being an har- monious whole, doctrinally, and the most compact book extant. Nations not enlightened thereby either know not God, or serve many gods. Note its effects upon those living according to its precepts. It is the only book in the world claiming Divine inspiration. The Koran claims only dictation by Gabriel. Observe, no other book stands one thousandth of its attacks. No other professed revelation compares with it, infidels them- selves being judges. The sceptic says it is wholly of man, then men can do what they once did in book-writing. We will not trouble them to write so large a volume, but allow ability to do it, providing they write anything the length of the parable of the Prodigal Son affecting the great heart of humanity as deeply. Who can read the Apocalypse without feeling in the presence- chamber of its writer ? Offer me a daily paper a month old, and I toss it aside ; but I have been reading the last of the canonical books half a century, and peruse it with augmented apprecia- tion. The Bible grows fuller of wonders as I of years, whereas the opposite is the case with ordinary books. Even the part I excepted for critical reasons : "Jesus by the grace of God should taste death for every man," I let pass if every man be received with the usual Bible force, viz., Jew or Gentile, i.e.^ Jesus made salvation from national, for any Jew, to human for any man, as became the Son of man. He, I do not object to your statement, but strengthen your case thus : When I was a boy there were many cannibal islands, now there are few, most of them being won from that awful degradation by the Bible, none by any other book. I am not sure that the Apostles ever met with such tough material as we found in the Feejees. /. Yery good. Your illustration is a branch of the argument ; we know it is a good book by its doing good work. He. Some of my shopmates are inclined to scepticism. Can you suggest a puzzle I can offer about the Bible in return for some they give me 1 I. Try the Jews thus : Here is a people dispersed through CALVINISM POPULARISED 65 nations whom history, apart from the Scriptures, proves to have been a nation for 3500 years. They have no country, but look to Palestine in hope. Ask your mates to account for this apart from involving the acceptance of the Book. He. Ob, they'll say it is another case like the Gypsies. /. By no means. Gypsies are not found in the New World, cannot be traced to one ancestor, are known to have been expelled from India, have no sacred books, no fixed religious rites or notions, play no part in history, and every year diminish by being absorbed through marriage into common society. He. The sky looks watery, so that I will not press more than another query, but am anxious to hear your views upon it. Christ said to the Laodiceans : " Behold I stand at the door, and knock : if any man hear My voice, and open the door, I will come in to him." This looks so like consultation and co-operation, that it won't square with your passivity views. Does not this clearly teach that Christ enters the heart of men through their will 1 You perpetually say man being unholy cannot will to he holy any more than a truly honest man can vdll to he a thief, because holiness and unholiness are infinitely oipposed, but this text has an adverse aspect. /. For years I held these deeply cherished views in spite of this text standing in high relief, for it looks as you say. Con- ceive, then, the comfort Tischendorf's version gave me in 1869. He found our text in the oldest manuscript, the Codex Sinaiticus, reading : " Behold I stand at the door, and knock : if any man hear My voice, I will both open the door and come in and sup with him, and he (shall sup) with Me." I breathed more freely, as this is a spiritualised case of the raising of Lazarus. The friend of Jesus heard His voice through the vivifying power of the Life-giver when He opened the door by saying, " Take ye away the stone," after which " Lazarus was one of them that sat at the table with Him." The voice of Christ is twofold — speak- ing to the individual inly by the Holy Ghost — speaking during His ministry or by the mouths of missioned ones. Whosoever hears His voice in the former sense leaves the tomb of carnality. When the Lord speaks to many, that may save some or none ; but should He speak to one, he is saved by the Word, not the word, for the latter is not alive. "The sword of the SjDirit" is the sword used by the Spirit. The sword cannot cut. The glory is to One using it. So He seems to mean when saying, " Amen, amen, I say unto you, The hour is coming, and now is, when the dead shall hear the voice of the Son of God ; and tliey that hear E 66 CALVINISM POPULARISED shall live." Had his statement referred to the resurrection, He would probably say, cmd shall live instead of and they that hear shall live. The former is all, the latter some. In the chapter containing your troublesome text He claims this title : " I am He that openeth." He only opens the sepulchre. He only the heart. He. And do you hold that a sinner can no more believe than a corpse can open a vault door 1 That seems excessive. I. No mere sinner believes on the Lord Jesus Christ, nor can. Have you not read : " This is the ivork of God, that ye believe on Him whom He hath sent " ? The Hebrews formed super- latives thus : Mountain of mountains, river of rivers, tree of trees, or they would say. Mountain or river or tree of God, to indicate loftiest, longest, tallest. So, " This is the work of God," means the greatest man does. All moral work shrinks in comparison with a sinner by native power believing on Christ. He. You must be wrong. Sketch His life and men naturally admire it, and so are led to love Him. It is the easiest thing to do. /. Millions admire sentimentally, intellectually, and religiously, so much that they would die for Him, and yet know Him not. Let me help my meaning by an illustration. We pass through the Saltmarket and notice a woman aged twenty-five standing at a close-mouth. Though young, her face is scarred, seamed, and scored, so that she looks a hag. Her garments are as filthy as her person and habits, while her language is worse than either. Can you force your affections towards her in view of a life union ? He. That is preposterously impossible ! /. Now sinfulness and holiness are dimly figured in her case and yours. Should you reply "Though I can't love her, she might me " ? I answer, the second case is as unnatural as the first. She prefers the company of her like, or would improve. Re- member, "Believe on the Lord Jesus" is essentially what God said on Sinai : " Thou shalt love the Lord." Believing is a form of loving, as are looking, coming, eating, drinking, applied to Christ. We naturally look upon those whom we love, and hide from those we dislike. Our inability to love a nature contrary to our own illustrates omnipotence. God can love us who are little sinful enemies, but I apprehend that an archangel similarly related could not, we being at enmity with him. He. Oh, yes ! by way of pity. /. Pity does not explain love. You see a thousand objects and pity each, but God does not love every one. His love is marriage love. In the case of the hag who looked fifty, though only twenty- CALVINISM POPULARISED 67 five, you might pity the poor creature, but that differs from rejoic- ing over her. No thinking illustrates His love any more than we can explain creation. We do not expect to know the manner of creation, so we need not try to understand how God loves. God only knows the love of God as to mode or extent. How then do you imagine that a creational act, for His love is that to the sinful one to whom He says, " Live," should be suspended on the will of the thing to be created 1 While a soul is in sin, not being the object of His love, it is unspeakably more odious to the Holy One than that hag to you. Answer me, " Do you think she could say anything winsome to you ? *' He. I should abhor any form of approach from her ! J. Similarly, '' The prayers of the wicked are an abomination to the Lord." We hear of " The prayer of the saints," for no one else prays, only saying prayers. Before that new creational era, though their words be ever so sincere and ever so true, they avail no more than whiffs of wind, nay, are a nuisance, like smoke to a delicate female. When no man recognised Jesus as the Lamb of God, an unclean spirit said: "I know Thee who Thou art, the Holy One of God." Could Gabriel say more ? But Jesus could not more adopt honour from a devil than Victoria accept a pearl necklace sent from Bombay by Nana Sahib. He. But you do not mean that a thorough lady, say, who is careless about religion, can no more gain audience from God than a fiend ? /. Yes, I do. We can make no more advance towards God spiritually than the paving stones can towards the stars. He. If that awful teaching is true, Adam did the worst act ever done, as the last Adam did the best. /. He believed Satan imbruted in the snake rather than his Creator, Benefactor, and Sustainer. Preferred crawling down the serpent's trail of rebellion to ascending the shining slope of obedience growing daily brighter and more blessed. Gave up Eden, Eve, sonship for slavery, and shadows the substance of which was damnation. We are the sons of that huge rebel, and born in a helpless condemned state. When he fell, Christ sought him with mournful cry, "Where art thou?" He could no more seek God than the snake. Overtures of reconciliation must be commenced, conducted, and completed by God. Without blood- shedding there could be no remission of his giant sin. Hence He taught the necessity of sacrifice and mode of presenting the victim, clothing the first sinners in the sheepskin of the offered lamb presented by their and our Great High Priest. Then and 68 CALVINISM POPULARISED there the Divine Architect laid the foundations of His loved temple, the Catholic Church. Damnation was accomplished by .man, salvation by the Son of man, the Seed of the woman, a babe from Bethlehem. Every man if saved is saved as Adam was, by His seeking, finding, reconciling. Isaiah and Paul meant as much when saying : " I am found of those who sought Me not." God did not say to Eve, Where art thou ? because she was federally in Him, as we are. If we are chosen unto eternal life we are found the second time. The Adamic dispensation was told in these words : Obe}^ and live. Mercy changed it to Live ! Christ engaging to fulfil the obey part. He. I rather think it stands at believe, and obey. We believe and obey unto salvation. 7. How foolish ! Obedience fled from Eden nor returned thereto for 4000 years, when it was disclosed in Gethsemane. Obedience, like "The way, the truth, the life," is a Person, not an act or acts. He. But Jesus said : "If ye love Me, keep My commandments." I. Carry your mind back to B.C. 1000. How would you tell the theocratic people % He. By language, laws, and manners. The men circumcised attending the great feasts, offering sacrifices, libations and oblations. /. But these are external things which any could do, yet by such externalities Israelites were known as God's covenant people. If you saw groups robbing caravans or waylaying travellers, you would say. Surely these are Ishmaelites, Idumeans, or Arabs. There is an outward observance of the commandments by which even the carnal and careless recognise disciples. Here is a professor who is as hard as nails, another occasionally drinks, a third uses impure language. The world sets them down as no disciples. The world recognises by watching their outer life, by fruit, not root. If you demand more, what becomes of believers, seeing that each daily falls short of verticality, perfect rectitude, to the glory of the Only Straight Line ? Saved by a combina- tion of our obedience and His is rank nonsense. Grace mingled with works is adding candles to noontide splendour, after the Pusey or Papist style. The mixture is an insult to the Saviour, for, in such case. He and we accomplish one work. Salvation is as to inception (alpha) and completion (omega). His unaided undivided work. Do not grudge Him its glory seeing He suflPered its pain. He. Nor will I, being anxious to know the true way from among false. CALVINISM POPULARISED 69 /. You cannot keep the law a moment, which is evident when we consider how defective any service is. You may neither steal, covet, or lie for a given time, but say you pray. Can you answer for it that your feelings and language are what they would be, if Jesus were in your place 1 He. But I do not profess to be as good as Jesus. /. He was no better than He ought to be, and you must be as good as He, or cannot be good. How say a man can keep the commandments one minute, when we cannot keep them in prayer ? Reasoning with a friend on this proposition : When God pardons our sins He forgives them, past, ptesent, and to come — he thought to come too strong. What avails it if He forgave up to conversion, when we need re-forgiveness the next minute through defective service ? He thought God pardoned up to regeneration, but after as we repented. Howbeit, our tears need washing in blood ; our repentance is inaccurate and defective, and we fall short, omit, and are filled with secret faults all un- consciously, and so need a constant flow of pardoning love as of vital energy. We get this, and think we stand in virtue of personal obedience, whereas we stand by reason of Christ's obedience. It is no more of works after conversion than before. He. Howbeit, I must say I know nothing from direct Biblical statements of two ways of keeping the law absolutely and relatively, considered in themselves and in respect to other people. /. Not in so many words; but it is there by inference. Supposing you say, Women ought not to partake of the Lord's Supper. Give me an example of its leing done in the days of the Apostles, or a commandment to do it. I cannot, except inferen- tially. Then if you obstinately say. Unless you give precept or example from the Bible, I hold it is imscriptural for women to receive the sacraments, nothing remains but the exclusion of the sisterhood from the communion. He. But I do not go to such absurd lengths. I. If you do not, you must hold the proposed view from these considerations. God said (Exod. xx. 6): "Shewing mercy unto thousands of generations in them that love Me, and keep ]My commandments." That cannot mean keep them absolutely, for then mercy is not needed. It is a case of contrasting the pious Israelite with the rebellious Amalekite. Hence Peter says : " If the righteous scarcely be saved (the human side of salvation through laxity of obedience), where shall the ungodly and the sinner appear ? " So Jesus says (John xiv. 15) ; "If ye love Me, 70 CALVINISM POPULARISED keep My commandments." B}'' loving God the Jew observed the first table — by loving Christ Jesus the Christian observes both tables, seeing that He is our God and neighbour : but who does that perfectly from cradle to coffin 1 Not, observe, when we' gaze in rapture — but life through 1 Christians keep the ordinances of Jesus in comparison with worldlings, and that is what is meant. He. But surely I can keep the law perfectly for one minute ; and if a minute, why not a month, and so on ? /. When our Lord sat at the well about mid-day there came by guidance an anonymous woman of the Samaritans. To her Jesus said, "Give Me to drink," but she did not. Why? He. I suppose want of politeness, hospitality, or through bigotry, or a perverted view of patriotism, or all of them. /. None of them. Our Lord never exchanges something for something. "It is more blessed to give than to receive," and He, the Blessed, cannot take the less blessed position. Had she given well-water and He given living-water, the way of salvation would be marred. " Nothing in my hands I bring." Allow me now to present a synopsis of the ways of salvation, many untrue, and one true. He. Should the rain hold off nothing could please me so much. /. A. A man saving himself by native jDower apart from an atonement, all guilt being pardoned through repentance. Any creed saves if held in sincerity. Salvation comes rather by the schoolmaster than the parson, the press than the pulpit. If there is a Hell it is temporary and corrective. The Bible is one good book among many. B. Man believing on Christ by natural power, his sins being atoned for by an absolute universal atonement. After becoming a disciple he can fully keep the law. C. Man believing in Christ, by reason of accepting Spirit help offered to him in common with others. Man born good, but becomes bad by evil example. D. Man born averse to divine things and unable to believe, yet through penitent prayer receives the Spirit, whereby he trusts his eternal interest in Christ's atonement offered for all equally. Being regenerate, he is able to keep the moral law. E. Man born in sin, but born again by baptism. Being so all grace comes through sacraments, which are only adminis- tered by priests, save that of baptism. Salvation depends CALVINISM POPULARISED yi upon obedience to the Church. Ordinarily, let him live as he likes, he must expiate certain sins after death. F. Man saved by repentance towards God and faith in Christ, which faith is wrought in him of the Spirit through dili- gent search and supplication for that grace. Christ died for all, but the Spirit applies the benefits of His death in proportion to faith. A man may fall from grace, but will be restored. Observe, B., C, D., and E, agree in teaching that men may be once saved and finally perish. This class also holds that converted men can keep the command- ments after conversion if Divinely helped, which He is more willing to give than we to receive. Note A., B., C, D., E., and F. teach salvation is human, comes of man doing something. G. That a man is loved once, saved from everlasting in God's intention, and saved to everlasting by His Spirit and Pro- vidence. His Son Christ died for him, because of which the Spirit gave him power to repent. He is not saved by repenting, praying, obeying, save consciously. His sins are forgiven, past, present, and future, or more correctly, God forgives him the sin of his life. After conversion he no more deserves Divine favour than be- fore. He is secure of Heaven through almighty love to the glory of God's grace. The Spirit dwells in him for ever. He has not kept the law, nor can. I give only a disjointed and brief outline of what is believed among professed Christians, but more would be tedious. He. I am obliged, but wonder at your taking exception to a person believing he can keep the commandments if Heaven helps him. It looks like reflecting on God's power. I. Let us see. I am seventy. Would it be wise to say I may yet be forty should I receive celestial help 1 He. Certainly not, because naturally impossible, and if done, would be untrue, though it is unthinkable that the wise should so do. I. How can a man keep the commandments when they are broken 1 If I could keep them from to-day, how could you say I kept the Decalogue, when I have not kept it absolutely. A man must be tried for life, and not for some portion he fancies will better stand judgment. He. I think your variations of belief form an extensive bill of fare, though I begin to see that through Adam's apostacy comes our inability to do anything to commend] ourselves to Heaven's 72 CALVINISM POPULARISED mercy, so that my relish for any dish but G. is diminishing. Howbeit, two thoughts disturb me yet, viz., Has not man the power to lay down his rebellious arms, rendering himself vacant, neutral in some way ? Can we not meritoriously co-operate with Christ in working out salvation after conversion ? J. Our nature being sinful is averse to God's. Until we are changed, we can no more cease hating God than hens can take to water, or ducks to perching. If love or hatred depended upon will, it might be, providing that will did not grow out of nature. While nature regulates will, and nature is enmity, it is foolish to speak of " grounding the arms of our rebellion at the feet of Jesus." Thus it is written, " It is not of him that willeth," for how will holily while sinful ? As to co-operation in salvation, that is equally impossible, seeing we are saved wholly and always by one act by One Person. We can, indeed, ''work out our salvation," because He worketh in us to will, and to do of His good pleasure. By following the holy motions of His indwelling Spirit we make our salvation sure to others, He making it sure to us. Now these seven waj^s of salvation are resolvable into three practically. These I present in the parabolical form : A vessel, wherein were three sailors, Stokes, Campion, and Wilkins, was going down in Lamlash Bay. Stokes, a strong swimmer, strikes out manfully for the shore, and makes it. Campion swims a little, but being exhausted, one Donald Fraser threw out to him a life-buoy, which he clutched, and Donald drew him ashore. Wilkins had no more swim in him than a dromedary, but is clutching a piece of the boat when it is washed from his grasp, and he, being tumbled over by waves, sinks like a stone. Donald rows to the spot where he sunk, doffs his big boots, and dives. To the joy of the people on the coast he brings Wilkins up, but the fear is Donald has won a corpse instead of a man ; howbeit, the semi-drowned one revives. When Stokes, Campion, and Wilkins are sitting together in the Douglas Hotel with Fraser, how diversely they view him. Stokes owes him nothing. Cam- pion is obliged to him because he did a neighbourly act, yet if he had not done it he would have been a brute, Wilkins owes life to Fraser. Transfer the scene to Heaven, and suppose the Uni- tarian there saved wholly by works. When seeing Jesus, can he view Him with much beyond indifference ? When the Arminian beholds Him he sees One who helped him to save himself, and without whom he would have perished. But the Calvinist beholds in Him all his salvation. As Jesus took the blind man by the hand out of Bethsaida into the fields, anointed his eyes wjth CALVINISM POPULARISED 73 saliva, and gradually lifted the black curtain that had been down for years, all to generate faith, confidence, love to Him, so Jesus not only risks life, but forfeits it that it may lead the ransomed to love Him ; but if they fancy He only threw the life-buoy, an alloy of pride displaces gratitude. He. Well, I do see something in that way of presenting the plan of salvation. /. Suffer me to present it in the logical form, thus : 1. Either I save myself by works; 2. Or, I save myself by belief ; 3. Or, God saves me by belief ; 4. Or, He saves me without belief. As to I, we may dismiss that as out of the question. As for 2, whosoever saves is a saviour, let the means be what they may. I would almost as willingly be unsaved as save myself, because Heaven would lose its charm by being there unrelated to the Saviour when all else were. Can I equalise myself with Him 1 Then I do not save myself by belief ; all it does is give me the joys of salvation (Ps. li. 12), not salvation, but the con- sciousness of it ; not the favour of God, but the assurance of it by feeling. Respecting 3, God does not save by belief, because belief is a witting outflow of affections and intelligence towards God, which does not occur until after regeneration, say three days, as in Paul's case. Now when he w^as found of his Shepherd he greeted Him with " Lord ! " which no man can say of or to Jesus save by the Holy Ghost (i Cor. xii. 3). If you object by interjecting : "He that believeth not is condemned," I reply the power of belief, the germs of faith are working in him, and are certain to result in reliance upon the Lord, so that the interval between regeneration and conversion being short and transitional, and having no element of rebellion therein, is overlooked. It follows that by the process of exhaustion we arrive at 4, which is true. Surely Paul meant that when speaking (Rom. iv. 5) of God justifying the ungodly, which is grace indeed ? He. Those verses you recite concerning the tears of Jesus over Salem ring in my ear, and affect me more than all you say. I. No wonder, for poetry is very attractive, but when it ap- parently presents mercy charmingly it becomes positively seduc- tive. But we are not to be carried away by sentiment, sound, or appearance. Let us obey at least one command (John vii. 24). What avails poets singing of a weak God, when angels sing of Almighty God ? Of course volumes of texts might be given 74 CALVINISM POPULARISED corroborating this view of God helplessly willing a man's salva- tion, but two suffice. A heathen said by Divine constraint (Dan. iv. 35) : " He doeth according to His will in the army of Heaven, and among the inhabitants of the earth, and none can stay His hand." That was said by one king, this by Another (Luke Xv 21): "I thank thee, Father, Lord of Heaven and earth, that Thou hast hid these things (whereby salvation comes) from the wise and prudent, and hast revealed them unto babes : even so. Father; for so it seemed good in Thy sight." Mrs. Hemans apostrophises the ocean thus : " To thee the love of woman hath gone down." Those loved of feeble mothers, sisters, wives, daughters, lovers, lie in the caverns of the mighty deep awaiting the midnight cry. But here a divine looks hard at Hell and says : " To thee the loved of Jesus hath gone down." Did Jesus try to do the doable or the impossible 1 Was it possible to save Judas in say a.d. 30 ? He knew he would go to his own place in three years ? Then would He seek to do what could not be done 1 There was in Derby a nailer's son, who, being sent to school, was recognised as a superior lad. Under the master's training he became a first-class business man, entered a firm as junior clerk, in thirty years became its head, and, his fellow-towns- men recognising his ability, he was elected to mayoralty. Look- ing at the boy of ten and the man of sixty, are they not the same as to personality, but immensely different as to mentality and morality ? Now God is the I am, the invariable, without shadow of change. Imagine He knows some fact He did not anterior to creation. He would grow in knowledge and therefore change, wherefore there would be no Jehovah. If He loved and ceased loving He is subject to change. Ananias chose wrath. Did God wail over him ? He struck him dead. Did He wail over the Cities of the Plain ? Gen. xix. 24, " The Lord (the Father) rained upon Sodom and upon Gomorrah brimstone and fire, from (the Son, to whom all judgment is committed) out of heaven." This silly sentimentalism comes of not measuring our idea of love by God as revealed, but measuring God by love, or our notion of love. In society this leads to humanitarianism, pamper- ing criminals, forbidding the righteous execution of murderers, a reign of mercy without justice. If God bewails the lost. He loves them when saying "Depart, ye cursed," To treat those CALVINISM POPULARISED 75 we love with blasting malediction, execration, is a novel form of manifesting affection. Morisonians on the Green boldly teach that God loves the damned, and yet tell us we ought to be comforted by the thought that God loves us. If He loves lost angels and men who perished, why did John say : " Now Jesus loved Martha, and her sister, and Lazarus ? " He. I think I see something good in those ideas, but they seem to conflict with two fixed truths : The rewardability of works and responsibility of man. Make man's work necessary, and forthwith you banish amenability and remove reward as far from men as from machines. We admire a machine or disapprove of it, but we reward or condemn the mechanic. /. We no more get Heaven for work than we do earth. "Blessed are the dead which die in the Lord, for they rest from their labours and their works do follow them." They entered the Portal of Pearl by grace, and works follow, being then manifested to an assembled world when the President diadems each brow with stars of magnitude varying with toils and sufferings for Him and the brotherhood. The works of supernal angels, of Jesus, of Jehovah, are necessarily holy, and yet rewardable in heavenly messengers and the Son of man, while they are adorable in the Lord. So also the works of infernal angels are necessarily wicked. " Can a devil open the eyes of the blind 1 " and yet devils are punishable. God cannot do wrong, then He necessarily does right, and yet we praise Him for His mighty acts and glorious. Do we praise machines 1 He. But your view is fatal to man's free agency. /. Freedom is violated only when we are compelled to act contrary to volitions. It is no violation of my will when I cannot do what I want, for if so, my liberty is sacrificed when- ever I wish unsuccessfully. In Heaven, Earth, and Hell, no creature does what he dislikes. He may be forced to be where he would not, or suffer what he abhors, but his will being opposed to the arrangements of justice, there is no reason for complaint. If creatures do what they do willingly, it is useless to speak of liberty trenched upon. Creator and creature are in that highly important sense alike free. When we enter a room in which are two empty chairs, to the use of which we have right, we are practically free to occupy either. If you demand man's freedom similarly when two courses, one right, the other wrong, are presented for choice, he cannot be so free, because nature must bias selection. In that sense neither God, angels, whether supernal or infernal, nor men, whether good or bad, are free. 76 CALVINISM POPULARISED He. I fancy you collide with Paul's : "The good that I would, I do not ; but the evil which I would not, that I do. Now if I do that I would not, it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me." /. Paul presents an outline of a sanctified sinner, which every Christian is, a saved sinner, a man condemned in respect to himself, but justified in relation to Christ. We show that "not doing that He would," is no violation of practical liberty, which must be limited by creaturehood. Our Creator has that absolute freedom, and He only. The difficulty lies not there, but here : "The evil which I would not, that I do," but we are helped by the remark : " It is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me," where he evidently speaks figuratively, but in his former sentence literally. Suppose a man of position is ruining himself and his by drink. After being a bottle -slave over night he suffers terribly next morning. Boon companions call on him at 6 P.M. He suspects that going with them means being led home abont 2 A.M., and knows that one of the best Glasgow women won't wink an eye till his return. He yields. Can he say at 9 A.M. next day : " My dear, all was done against my will and judgment. It was not I, but the fascination of men and the enchanted cup " ? He who wills though beguiled, is guilty. Carry the apostolic illustration in your way, and every man is two persons. He. Precisely so. He means that when uttering his notable, " O wretched man that I am ! who shall deliver me from this dead body 1 " Roman gaolers handcuffed two prisoners together, when one died the survivor dragged his corpse. So the new man — holiness, dragged the old man — sinfulness, the Last Adam dragging the first. /. But who calls a corpse a person ? or a principle as holiness, except figuratively ? The ex-inquisitor is showing the holy war in Mansoul. Human goodness differs from angelic in that we have to combat evil within and around, wherein lies the heroism of Christianhood. " All things work together for good to them that love God." Evil in us becomes an occasion of good, because we fight against it and so abhor it more. Just as blackness has no existence, but is only a conception. There may be black cats and black clouds, but blackness in the abstract, apart from substance, cannot be. As colour must inhere in an object, so will must be in some nature which must regulate it. From this outlook neither Creator nor creature is or ever can be free. The will of neither Creator nor creature can act without motive, as CALVINISM POPULARISED 77 that involves mental vacuity, idiocy, purposeless action. There must be nature within and a motive without to cause volition, wherefore from that standpoint no will is free. Howbeit, for all practical purposes every will, so far as our knowledge extends, is consciously free. He. I do not see the applicability of your rule to Adam's apostacy. There were two good persons doing evil, entering a sinful course, so far as they knew, of endless sin. How so if nature guides will and they were made in the Divine similitude ? /. What I advanced was philosophically true, but philosophy must be modified by common-sense. If my rule be made equally as absolute as this — God always does justly — then who could see how Adam could fall ? But it occurred thus : Eve being deceived, and falling into an error of judgment, acts with sincerity, yet lacks honesty. Most unbelievers are perfectly sincere in unbelief, though given over to believe a lie with fatal results. Eve seduced her husband. She was cheated into poisoning her- self, but Adam determined to fare as she did, and so committed suicide. Neither knew they would thereby begin travelling down a bottomless brae towards whose lofty top there could be no return. They fell not as drunkards and gamblers do, by a course, but by one act. It is very noteworthy that neither of our ancestors are called holy, that word not being used in our translation until the scene of the Bush is described. He. You render them pitiable, as their sin looks small. /. Small sin ! As well speak of a pinched-up universe ! No sin is small. Suppose a hitherto respectable man stole a penny, we condemn him morally, more than if he took ;^i 000. That might tempt, but to become a thief for a penny ! If, then, our parents gave up a garden for a mouthful of fruit, nay, preferred the word of a brute to that of the Eternal, who gave them in Eden each other's companionship. His fatherhood and instruction all being promises and prophecies of more excellent things to come, their ingratitude was immense. Why then say small sin 1 He. Such subjects cannot be divested of mystery, but a clearer and more comprehensive outline of the affair begins to shape itself in my mind. I see more clearly the difference between phenomena and substance, appearance and actuality. Yet as when clambering over mountains, one ridge surmounted, another bulges in your foreground, which too must be overtopped, so it seems that we approach the loftiest crag in the range of speculation. 78 CALVINISM POPULARISED I. Pray name it. He. The fall of acgels. It is hard to dogmatically map out events happening at a place not known to us by name, at a period we have no hint about, and above all, among creatures of a nature differing greatly from ours ; but as you profess to have studied the subject by the light of analogy, I shall be obliged if you give your views. /. I will attempt the great act. One thing is certain, Satan never was in heaven. The argument thereupon I work out in my " Eve," to which you are referred. I postulate only that the beatific vision, the blissful sight of God, is granted solely to those who faithfully pass probation. " The pure in heart shall see God," and they only. We enter glory through the portal of tribulation. Christ crowned with thorns, King of the afflicted, as our Elder Brother, means much. The locality where God placed angels is not disclosed. He made Adam and then Eve, and afterwards us indirectly. This occupies thousands of years, during which we appear in relays, or generations. Adam was our federal head. While he stood we stood, germinally and representatively in him. When he fell we fell, for humanity apostatised, and we are human. Apparently angels were made by one act, so had no federal head. Hence they knew nothing of relationships, so precious to us — father, mother, sister, brother, cousin, &c. Hence the acts of one would not affect another, as acts of fathers affect sons, so that each stood or fell for himself. They were like corn stalks, w^e like branches of a tree. A third part of the field is mowed without affecting the rest, whereas the third part of a tree cut down affects the whole. They are like sand, of the same nature, but unconnected ; we like an organised structure. They must have been made in the image Divine. As a good tradesman cannot do bad work, God cannot directly make a morally evil being. As our parents were under expressed law, so must angels have been, because God's law is but a presentation of duty of creature to Creator, and conversely of the goodness of God to them demanding grate- ful obedience. God being good cannot leave His offspring ignorant any more than true parents leave children in lack of education. That law was simplified to Adam by two trees. To Israel and us it was given in the compound form of ten com- mandments. God would present His law to angels, they being higher, purer intelligences, in a yet more complicated form. Just as the second commandment respecting the visitation of the sins of fathers upon their children has a harsh look about it, though • CALVINISM POPULARISED 79 absolutely just, so some branch of the law^ delivered unto angels would have an unfair appearance. Analogy teaches that in the fall of angels and man the mental nature misleads the moral, whereas after the fall the moral misleads the mental. Before apostacy the head goes wrong, those who apostatise lean to their own understanding, but after such fall the heart, affections, being deceived, warps the judgment unto false conclusions, resulting in sinful actions. After our fall God says : " Son, give Me thine heart," but before it obedience would virtually be giving heed, head, that is, unlimited confidence in His justice where the intellect failed to recognise it. Certainly it was not through Jehovah revealing His co-eternal Son to angels as a claimant upon allegiance that occasioned the fall of angels. When Jehovah revealed Christ to the celestial hierarchs and said : " Let all the angels of God worship Him," that applied to the elect angels, to whom such privilege and supreme felicity was accorded after their trial, as it will be ours to be ever with the Lord. Jesus says : " I will confess his name before My Father, and before His angels," the opposite of "The devil and his angels." Christ truly came to an evil world in disguise, and was not received ; but that He should be revealed to flaming ranks of high intelligences, being clearly introduced by the Almighty, and yet rejected, is irrational. I conceive their fall was compassed somewhat thus : When in their first estate some portion of the revealed law they were under would constitute an imaginary grievance. Through want of unlimited confidence in God, by an imperfect use of intelligence, some of them would do what was equivalent to saying, Not Thy will be done but ours, or in other words, violate law. Other some sustained of grace, which differentiates angels as certainly as men, still held the law was holy, just, and good, though they could neither show it nor see it. A bold spirit arises, the angellocrat of eternity, and opposes the Eternal Theocrat. He misleads millions. Then there was in the angel world what we have in our human world, two parties parallel to Church and World. We cannot understand the conflict of spirits, but it seems the faithful who believed in the justice of the Divine appointment and those who became apostates by impugning His ordinances, and rejecting God's sovereignty, con- tended. That contention was ended by judgment when those who walked by faith, which is infallible, were divided from those who walked by intellect, which misguides by defect. Intellect must fail somewhere this side of omniscience, for science is only applicable to the knowledge of some things, wherefore it cannot 8o CALVINISM POPULARISED be omniscience, whereas faith reposes in the Perfect One, and partakes of the advantages of perfection. The judgment to come will be the third in the economy of God, and seemingly the last : the opponents of righteous law became devils, and so remain, while those who said, Shall not our Creator do justly ? entered heaven, the reward world. He. Thank you. I listen with deep interest, but does not your view suggest this difficulty, Why cannot they cease rebel- ling, as they are but kicking against the pricks — the goads of God? 7. Though intelligence acting upon experience teaches their rebellion is suicidal, they cannot cease, because no spirit can be in a neutral position respecting God ; it must either love or hate, and love will depend upon its nature, like going to like, for none but the holy can love the Holy One. A moral creature may fall, but possesses no self-restorative power. I can wound, but cannot heal myself; nature may. The creature who commits his first sin, forthwith becomes spiritually dead, and is as dependent for restoration upon Him who said : " I am the Resurrection and the Life," as a corpse. The diabolical nature is bad growing worse, and unable to stay in its downward course ; for no creature changes its nature upwards, but only, in certain conditions, downwards, as did Adam and Satan. A creature may improve character, but nature never. Hell is bottomless in view of perpetual deterioration, the fallen always growing worse. Noth- ing short of almighty power can restore one such, for each restored one is a new creation which none effect but their Creator. I am increasingly of an opinion that the restoration of a fallen angel and a lost man, as Ananias, is absolutely impossible. He. I regret your so saying, because it must be held of faith that God is omnipotent, all-powerful, and consequently nothing is impossible with God. /. The wisdom of God limits His power. When the clock strikes ten He cannot make it nine, because it would not be wise. Now as it is morally impossible that God should introduce chaos, disorder, confusion by making ten to be nine, so it would be im- possible for the Lawgiver to receive the Law-breaker. We have, indeed, broken His holy ordinances, but One magnified the law and made it honourable for us, whereby our salvation became possible. God made Adam from earth, and, in a sense. He makes his elect offspring out of Christ, they coming from Him, who is the Seed by a spiritual mystery. Perhaps it would verge CALVINISM POPULARISED 8i upon infinite unwisdom to make angels out of fiends, or holy spirits out of lost souls. Certainly salvation could come only by a species of creational act, their having a new start, former life being annihilated as ours is in Christ, hence, at the last day Christ will treat the man who lived a life of rebellion up to regeneration on his deathbed as though he had done nothing but good (Matt. xxv.). In such case the life of Christ takes the place of our nullified life, whereby we stand on the ultimate pinnacle of holiness, even as He is holy. He. Were those angels that fell loved of God before they fell equally with the faithful spirits 1 I. As God loves His elect, no ; as you love your neighbour in a philanthropic manner, yes. He must have known to an angel, when He flashed them into being like streams of light, which would be with Him while I speak, and ever while they sing. If otherwise He could not be good, and that He is good all agree. Goodness presupposes wisdom, or else you have a good idiot ; but a being defective in knowledge could not know how to act, except by mental efforts to make up the defect in his information, and then might blunder ; in fact, would not know how to be good. Good is perfect. God only is good. If He grew in knowledge, He was once imperfect, and consequently could not be God then ; but the difference between God and not, is infinite and eternal, it is therefore inconceivable that an imperfect thing should im- prove himself into Deity. No angel nor any man is or can be good, except relatively, one creature related to another. Then His goodness demands, and ever demanded, that He knew how many angels would apostatise, and who remain loyal. Nor did He know their fate and future by calculation, but as He knew millions of cycles ago this world would leap into existence, because He determined so long thereafter to utter His fiat. Why this world-law, " One shall be taken and the other left," should apply to the angelic economy is more than we can know ; but it must have been a reason fair and honourable, for what an abhorrent thought its alternative is : Their Creator took advantage of creatures. He. You said angels had had their judgment, and that ours will be third in creation's story. How know you but those stars looking down on this Green be not worlds inhabited of intelli- gent moral beings destined to rise like the elect angels, or fall as man fell ? /. It will be bad for them, as we monopolise the only possibility conceivable of fallen creatures being brought back. Bethlehem F 82 CALVINISM POPULARISED and Calvary are human property. Christ cannot reincarnate- He dieth no more. Any fall of a probationed creature means inevitable Hell. Of all thinkable plans of salvation, the one God adopted was the only good one. Nay, we err when speaking of His adopting one out of many, thinker like, no other is conceiv- able any more than another God is. As to those orbs, they are mere bubbles of hydrogen on the limitless sea of creation. Science and analogy points to His bringing humanity into being, if I may so say, early in eternity. If you think not because stars are known to have existed hundreds of millions of years before the human era, remember that, so far as we know, com- plicated organisation cannot be except where there are many simple bodies, as carbon, oxygen, hydrogen, soda, phosphorus, the metals, &c. There are more than sixty elementary substances in the earth, but gauging the stellar creation by the polariscope, one world is found with four out of our sixty, while some even reach fifteen, but none compare with us in this matter. Hence, it is unlikely that they are the abodes of embodied intelligences like man. Their use is unknown. Who knows the use of comets, aerolites, or stars in the Milky Way ? Our earth was untenanted for millions of years, the moon is devoid of organic life, may they not be too 1 The mysteries of the universe do not vanish by study, but they diminish and brighten to the glory of its Maker, Who delights to hide from the proud as well as unfold to the humble. In a few millions of years we may have explored the realms of space, for the redeemed of the Lamb enjoy a sublime application of His words : '' Shall I hide from My servant Abraham (or his seed) that thing which I do ? " He. How about one of those worlds being the locale of what is known as the war in Heaven, or, as you put it, their first estate *? /. Where that angelic campaign came off is unknowable, and no theory helps. We cannot conceive of the surroundings of the contestants. Those angels being pure spirits, might fight in full numerical strength inside my hat, or a nut-shell, for the matter of space. He. That's a heavy draught upon credulity, your hat covering an angelic Waterloo ! /.- Pure spirits, mind ! A spirit is in space, but does not occupy space. Ignorant sceptics say of the 2000 demons in the man of Gadara — Impossible ! Suppose the poor fellow would burst ! As rational a supposition as that 2000 ideas, thoughts, notions, motives, principles, or feelings would split the head of CALVINISM POPULARISED 83 a scientist. Analogy seems to teach that the angels who stood or fell were alike clothed in some vehicle. See 2 Cor. v. 2, 3. It appears that as we lose our body by death, our demise being through sin, and that so far as the righteous are concerned, it is restored by resurrection, which is a gracious act, while the resurrection of the wicked is in respect to the righteous, probably the wicked would have no resurrection were it not for the just. Those who fell lost their vehicle, hence they imbrute in snake or pig, or possess men by way of relief, wear any clothing, fit them or not, rather than remain naked. I imagine every spirit but One is envehicled, clothed upon, or wretched. Conceive your threefold skin to be off, you being deprived of it without violence, you would be so sensitive that the least waft of wind could hardly be endured, nor would you be able to touch any solid without pain. As our nerves have to be muffled with skin, it appears that spirit is too delicate to come into contact with creation unless enveloped. Hence it is credible that angels in Heaven occupy space, but that devils or demons occupy none, but are compelled by creaturely dislike of pain to occupy any rather than none. For, observe, though all creature spirits are and must be in space, they no more occupy space than vitality, or principle, or love, except when enveloped, and then it is not they, spirits, that fill any space, but their envelope, their vehicle, which is to them what our tabernacle of clay is to us. Theirs may be fashioned of light or electricity, or fire, like the empyrean, and may be as ethereal as the most delicate matter known to science. Death is a kind of separation. When the angels died to God, they were in judgment deprived of a part of themselves. Wholly is nearly akin to holy, while the thought of sin, mutilation, loss, draw together. Those who give themselves wholly to God shall be holy, and so become whole, perfect. He. I presume you hold that when a man dies in Christ his spirit is envehicled in something adapted to dull the too acute sensibility of spirit, but that if a Christless man expired his immortal part remains in a species of painful nakedness until his resurrection unto damnation ? /. So I think, not that such opinion is to take the dignified position of forming part of one's formulated creed ; it is not defide. At least it seems probable. Policeman. Now, men, it is ten past, and your wives will be waiting you for supper. — Exeunt, Time.— THURSDAY, from 8 till io p.m. Place. -THE SHEEP'S GREEN, AT THE CLYDE SIDE. Persons. /. An Out and Out Calvinist. He. A Rank Arminian. Contention. The Babes. He. I wonder you see any charm in that dread belief — repro- bation. That any man be reprobate, even when in years, is bad enou