;v:-%V •v^ .... ■ » - ■ %. / \r Srom f^c &t6rar)? of (profe66or ^atnuef (QttfPer in (glemoti? of 3ubge ^amuef (Qtiffer QSrecftinrib^e ^reeenfe^ 6l? ^atnuef Oliffer (grecftintibge feong f 0 i^t &i6rat)? of (Princeton C^eofogicaf ^emtnarj /77^ r^^^^ N fc C^' 7^- . J. A DEFENCE OF THE REFOHMED CATHO-- LICKE of M. W. Perkins, lately deceafed^ agciinjl the hajiard Countcr-Catholicke"of D. Bijbop , Seminary frieft. The First PART: ' For arifwcrc to his calumniations generally framed againft the Tame, and a^nft the whole Religion and ftatc of cut Church, m his Ejiiftlc Dedicatory to the Kings mcft excellent Maicfty. Whsrin is to he efeene the atidafioufrteffe r.na, imfudencic of theft Kcmtfhhookeiin their S^ffUcations end Dedications to hii Bighnejje : their religion is difm asked cf that antiquity * which they f retcnd for it '.the religion efiablfjhed in onr church by Jaw is infitfledto be no other but what was anciently recetuedin the ^hurchy and namely in the an- cient Church of Rome. By Robert Abbot Do6t. of Diuinitic. ^ ^HguTl. de cittit. Deii lib. a . caf>, t . Eonim difla contrarii fi totics rcfellerc velimiis, quoties obnixa fronte ftaiucruntnon" curare quid dicantdumquocunqjmodono- ftrii difputationibus contradicant, infi- nitum cflcr. L O N D I N I. Lnpenjis Taou je Adams. i6i z TO THE MOST PVISSAMT AND Might IE Monarch our mojl dread and foue-' ratgne Lord, I a m e s by the grace of God iQng o/^ Great Britainc, France ^wi hchndjVefender of the Faith, &c^ ^ Mongft the manifold benefits which the Diuinc prouidcncc hath yeeldcd vnto vs by the hap py encrance of your moil facrcd Maicrtie to the Imperiall crowa of this Rcalnie, we can not but moft fpecially rccoonifc that which wee take to bee the pillar ^ . ^. that vpholdcth all die rclt. The ^rc^uacloiTof true Religion and continuance of the prea- ching oftheGofpell of Chnft. Which albeit ic be a fingu- lar and uieftimable mercy of G O D , ^ct there is tound amongftvs a Vipers brood, a male-contented Samariranc generation which neuer ceaCcth whining & repining tlierc at, accounting this blcfling of God to vs, a great wrong to # 2 them THE BVISTLE'DEDICATORIE. tlieiUvWluIcft by a cachexie and corrupt difpoficion of Ho- niackc they better brookc the Onions S' (jftrleeke cf ^egypt then the CMnr.fm of heauen, the breadoj ^rgels ; and haue cares more dehghtcd with the Mermaids notes and in- chanting Muficke of tlie whore of Babylon^ then with the Plain-fong of true reHgio dire6ted by thefimplicicy of the word of God« Therefore as m the daycs of our late moft gracious Queene , ( whofe memorie God hath eternized both in heauen and earth ) they neucr reftei working to bring tliis land againe vnder the flauerie & bondage oi the mm ofSime'So fince your Maiefties coming to the crowne they haue bcene ftiU plotting the famcjnot only by attempt ing your Highneffe lubiedts^but alfo labouring m their Pe- titions and Dedicatory Epiftles to draw your Maiefty one way ©r other to conlort with them in their damnable and accurled deuices. And as Mountbanksdoe fetfoorth bafe wares with magnificall and lofty words, fodoe they with braue termes labour to grace a counterfeit nSc baflard faith, and in their fupplications haue vanted to your Mai.efty of ^ religion, & neuer reft to commend a re/igten, wliich indeed in the queftioned part thereof is no other but a refined . he- refie, compounded of fundry ancient herefies, only clarifi- ed by fchooZ-tricks from the more feculent & grbfle parts. Amongft the reft^one Do6toui- Bifhop a fecular and femi- nary Prieft, a man of fpeciall reputation among tlicm, and chofen to be a maine llickler in the late contentions of the fecularsagainilthe lefuits, hath taken vpon liimto iblicit your Maieffie in that behalfe, and hauing apprehended a fpeech or two deliuered from your Maicfties owne mouth jn the Coytference at Hampton Court, woulde make you be-" leeue, thatif you will ftandeto whatyour felfehaue deliue- red, you muft needs admit their (^atacatholicke tradition to be the CathoUcke Sc true faith. Whofe Epiftle to your Ma- ieftie, when I badperufed and examined , ( the anfwering of the whole book being by Authority vnder your Maiefly comniicted vnto me ) 1 could not but wonder that the au- chour THE EVISTLE D EDICUTORIE, ihour ofitdurll offer it, being fo full of falilood and chil-- dilli folIy,to a Pnncc To karncd & well able to ividgc ihcr- cf j buc that 1 cofidcrcd, that one vntruth muft vphojd ano- ther, andhcechathath vndcrtakena bad caule niuft vfc woricmeanes tor the maintaining of It. Hce chargcth the Religion citabilhcdandprofcfledbyyourHighneflc with hcrclies, impieties, blafphcroics, ablurditics and what not, that malice & ignorance can dcuilc to Ipcakc ? And this is the common ftile of the reft of them, who when they ccme to prouc and exeir.plific wliat ihcy /pcakc, they fticwc tiie- fclucs to be but Sycophants and hirelings to the Pope , for whole fake tlicy muftlpcake to gall and dilgracc, howfoc- uer there be no truth in that they Ipeakc. And it tlicy dare thus impudently caty themfclucs m Print ,& to your Ma- iertie, what dare they not fay in corners to the entrapping and fcducingof fimple & vnlcarnedmenjBy which means many of your ii:iaicfties fubie6ts arc intangled in a mifcon- (cicnce of religion, and thereby withdraw nc from the true confcicnce ottheir loyalty towards your Highncfle their liege and foueraigne Lord, and arc made buc Hax and tow for the fire of their feditious praftiies, who haue been bold alreadictotcllyourMaicftie : That if youwillnotyeeldc them what they defire, Codk»crt>es wh^t thatftrcib/e rpeap4>tt StS}.^4.»f 6f»ec(£ttiemlldriuethem'vyitoati(ngth: therein verifying D.BiJhfs of thelelues that which S Auftinfaid of the Donatilb their *f'^^** ^Tcdccc({ouis IfVhere they carf»ot ij/Iu a^aijviJy confottAge creepe like afpes^ the re with open profcjfed ; violence they rage ^U9ufi like lions ^ Some effe^l whereof your Maicitie hath fcenc p/i/. in tliat barbarous and Scytliianlikc attempt lately made for thedcftru6lionofyourHighne{Ieperfonand bloud, and perpetual! fubuerfion and ouerthrow of the whole Realmc, Which as ic^iiffcrctli from die pra6bfe of all ancient Chri- ftians and Chriftian Churches which vudoubrcdly were of God, fo it plainly declareth that that dcdrinc which pro- fclTeth not a lawfuinclTe onely,but a merit in fiich attempts, is vndoubtcdly of thcDeuill, and not of God . The broa- A chcrs • IM TUB EPISTLE DEDIC^TORIE, cbers of wliich nionftrous and vnnaturall villanics as tliey baue long time Iiucd in excrcife of that malice , fo 'will ftill niakeicappeare thatthey arenotyetdifgf.rgedofthepoy- ron ct ic. Wiiercof fith tiiey liauc giuen lo great argument & allurancebyabufingyourMaiclticslenitie & patience towards them, when lawcs might more i^euerely hauc pro- ceeded againil them : our prayer to God is, that your Ma- ieftie may henceforth take thefe thinges fo farrc to heart as flialbe necdcfuU for the fafety ofyour royall perf6,your po- fteritie and tlie Realme. As tor vs true it is, that our iealou- fie ouer the foules of yourfubie^s, and greife to fee them io feduced & beguiled,hath longmadc vs tofay out of the A poftles aff caion, as he did of tiie falfc apoftles, Would to Godtheywere enen cut off that trouhleydft^ being well aflured chat theiraduantage gotten by your Maielties patience to- wards them,would in the end be difaduantage to your felfc But yet we could not but fubfcribe to your Maielties moft religious and Princely care,firft to giue them inftruaion 6c iatisfa6lion, to trie whetlier receiuing due anfwer to thofc things which to your Maicftie they hauealleadged, they woulde bee reclaimed from that headftrong prelumption which hitherto fo mightily hath poflefled them. Wherein if tJiey by their intollcrable treacheries haue altered your Maielties intent of fauourvnto them, and the State conceiuc iuft caufe with all feucricie and rigour to proceed immediately againil them, the guilc lieth vpon thcmlclues and they muft confeflc that they themfeJues haue drawne thefword to be imbrued in their owne bloud. Yet the courfc by your Highncfle intended iiath Itil moft neccflary vfe for the dikouciing of the impudencie of tJiefe Pctitio- ncrs/or the gaining of liich as maybe gained tothe acknow ledgement of Gods truth, and that as S. BernaJ-d fayth, Barnarlin Though the herettcke arife not fromhii filth , ytt the church Cant. may be ccnfirmed m the faith. To a part of which bufinelTc fince It hath plcafed them to whom yourMaieftie hath co. mitred the care therof to cal me the meaneft of unany otlicr albeit by rcafon of feme infirmity in iwnc eyes I Jiaue not yet THE EVISTLE DEDIC ATORlE. yet been able to performe the whole that was alTigned vn- to mc, yet for the time to giue fome part oF fatisfadion to many of yourMaielUcs lubie6ls, whom it hath much mo- ued to lee the Itace of our Church with calumnious libels fo traduced and llandred, 1 haue publifhed this anfwcrc to Do6t. Bilhops Epiltle, thecin carying my felfe faitlifully sfe vpriglitly^asto God and my Prince, though my abihty not fudi as that I may thinke my felfe to haue attamed to that t/iat the matter doth require. But that which my fraall ta- lent will yecldj m all humble duetie I tender to your Ma- icfties moft gracious and Princely fauour^hoping thaty our Highneflc acceptation of thefc endeuours fhall Ihr vp thofc that are of greater gifts to yeclde greater helpcs for the vp- holding and further building of the Church of Chrift. The Lorde preferue your moft excellent Maieftie , and as hcc hath hitherto done , fo continue ftill to dilcouer and bring to nought the deuices and counfelsof them that imagine euill againft you : and as of his infinite mercy hee hath im- planted in your Maieftie the knowledge & loucofhistruc religion, fo gee forward with his good workc, to water th^ which hcc hath planted, that it may bring foorth plentiful! fruit to the publicke aduanccmcnc of the glory of God, and the pnuatc comfort of your ownc foulc at the dayofldiis Chrill* Tottr Maieftie J mofliojaU EOB. ASBOT« Aa To The Christian Reader. Et it bee m offence vnto thee, good Chrifitan Reader ^that for thepre/et Igifte thee an anj'wer to a Dedicatone Eptjile tnjiead ofananJWer to a whole bookejt yyas nove m lanuary loft a full yeerefmceDo^or'Bifho^s book^ vpasfent vnto me by themeft re- uerend Father in God the L, xArchbijhop cfCanturburiehts Cracey Mjverygood LsrdfTpith direWcn to vfe the bejt ex- pedttioHthatlcou/dfortheanJweroftt « Itfo.vnd ?»e at that time vnderthe Snrgeans hands for agri^uoHs infirmity in mine ties : by meanes whtreofforfime good ff ace, andindeed longer then I expeShedy I roas hindiredfrom ablenejfe to intend in any connentent fort to anyfuch important worke.Bat takif7g thefoo- neft and befi epportuntttethat I could, after that 1 had gone o- uer fame good-part of. the books ^ tofHrnifhrny fdfe wtthfuch matter as^oHldfernefor confutatton oftt\ at length about the beginningofluly beingdeJhroHSto bringfomevohat to effeB, J addrcffedmyfelfe rvith allinftant mdeHour to giste anjwere to hit Epifile Dedicatorie to the Kings mefi excellent O^iaiejlie* fVhich as I accounted the principall matter tn the booke ,fo I heU it my duty to vfe very fpecid care fortherepulfwg ofthofr calumnies and /landers whtch the. ji/tthour hath gathered and contrimdittto it. Which beingfumijhed at Michaelmas, hath beeve To the Chrifliian R cadcr. beenefince thought fit to be phbljhcd for the ttmcy till the rejl ef the work^jwherem as ttme Ltthfer-ficd I h^ue htth:rtofnrther proceeded nt.iy fully be performed. Now the Treat ife (ig:ur>fi which Ai. Etjhtp i»riteth ts commonly knowne ^entituled, A reformed Cacholickej &C, written by one yl/. Perl^ns^fmce d.cc^fi d^ a man of very com- 1 — —'•^•^V^^ W mendable qudlttie and well deferumgfr his great trauell and\ F(2r^»»J. pains for the further Ance of true religttn .mdcdtfying of the church ,/ ^gainflthis booke CJ^/. Bijhop fo bend.th himje^e tn his Dedi- catorie Epifile, as that withally he tr^iduceththe whole dcSlrine of our churchy and with/itch mot iff es ^d reafens as a bad caufe rvill affoorde himl^ pLtyeth the parte of Symmachus the Tag^'nlabcu- ^ ^ , rtngvnderthe name of ^ntitjiuine to bnngin idolatrie, and to per- Rtla ad im fwadehis Maicflie, th..tthatts, Catiiohckc religion, tvhich /n-ptrit. Am, deede is nothing els b:tt error andfuperflaton. In the due ex Ami- f^rof-epift- nation whereof y weighting well the fandie Mndjlipperte foundations '^' whereupon he buildeth , I pre fume , gentle Reader ^th^t thouwilt bee of my minde^ That hee did not thinke heereby to preuailc any whit wtth hismofi excelUnt AiaiefHe, but onely vfcdthe pretenje of this 'Dedication to credit his booke with them whom hee knew would take all that hefajd hand ouer head vppcn his owne hare worde . Surely if hee had not pre fumed of very welwMj^ and frtendly Readers y hee wonlde neuer haue dreatrted to^fme any credite by wrttir?g in this forte , fVhat his Eptflh is^ thou maiji heere fee : concerning the reji as yet 1 will not fay muh : onelj 1 aduertife thee, and doe ajfure thee , th.^t ifiho^didjilikf cfAf, jerkins booke befre, thtu h.J}}:o caufe by Ai.^tflj, pto dif^ke it now. Thou Jhalt fee it a^atilt^d with igjwrance .^ wtthimpud.ucie ' with vntruih atidfaljhcod, with grcjfe andpalp.b'c hercjiey and that which hee cemrnendeth totheefor the nian'owe and pith of many large volumes, thou Jhalt findc to bee nothiKgels b>it ^ In his Pre fardlef- Jii^ggage and rotten fififfe. Forfometajlewhireofletmee^^'^-^'^ '^^ intreafe thee to ti^ikcwcJlinwoorth for the time.jhis*^fw:rc to his '^'^''^"^'■• Eptflle : and for the reft- to haue mee excuf d ««Jjs^/, b'.th in refpcEl of that wcaknejfe whereby I hauebcenefo m^ch withholdc?: fri?n the followirg of this worke^ as alfofor the eare th.it J h mc ^^/nclltv gme thee full fat if 'Mion in theejuejluHS hicrc Jj/cujfd , as tjftop *A 3 the To the Chriftian Reader. the adHerfariestmuth^ that hee m.^y haue nothingfurther to re f lie* I haue fropcfindedto tnjjelfe the rule ofTertfilliaaMfHch b-^fimjfes ^ , , alrpayestobeeobferHed:I)^cttv^ni2iltn\lQi\sviivixhu%inn,non Marc.hb.^. ^^ iaDorantcm : ( ruth is to vie it whole Itrengtii, aod nouolarc '." "j" las it'hjjadjliiich^do£to_^^ lamloththerejtre to '*■''"* comi haflily intotJjefield~a',:dwith mine ewnejword oncly to make an vncert^:inejight , but to t.-. ke conmnient time to [Lute Juch troupes andb^^iids y as that I m.^ip9oj)s fefit vntoyo;tr Highneffe thtsfhort enfuing treat tfe. For jour exceedixg clemencie, mddsns^e^andrars mod: file, in the moji emtnent efiate offo mightte a L^ionarch'. as it cannot but vpin vntoyoHg -eat loHCy in the harts of ail coyjfiderate SubieUsifo en the other fids doth it encourage them cofidentiy to open their mingles yandtn dmifHUmannerfovnfoldthemje-lt^es vnto their fo lotting G^ ajfabh a Somraigne.xAnd vt>hercas(to the no vul- gar pratfe of your U^i/aisJiiespietie)j/ofi haue made open & of^ ten prof cjfion efy mrttigiUncie 0^ cttrCito adAatmcethediHtne honour cfonr San tour Chnfi, and hit rmH facred Religion : Then whatfailhfuU (^hrtfiiin fhoiild Jia^ger, or feare to lay opsHtand deliver publiclze/j,that vehuh h? ajfnreth htmftlfe to hvcryexpedent, necejfarie^ and agreeable towards the f ur- nijhingjandfetting forward offo heauenly a worl^? Aloreo- uer^if I your C^taieflie spoor efkbieUi hanc by jludie athomPy ■^:d'irau^ilsabroiid,Attained vtito any fmalltalUnt of learning andl^swhdg: to whom is ths vfe and fruit thereof more due^ thenvntomyfegratious^andwithallyfolearmda Liege? Fi^ ' nallyfor ajproofe of my (tncerity^ ajfeBtonyand^mftdl loue to- "Vpardsyour i^iaief^le this may 1 iusilyfay, tha( in time ofvn- certatnefortune(wh3najfnredfi'mds,aremofi certainly tried) 1 both fuffereddtfgrace, and hind ranee for tt^ being fli'edin Print yh Scotill m fa6^ion: therein farther employing my penne in A two-fold difcpur(e(TP^c^:/^?^5„4if6^. SifJwps ftinate and wilfull malice againft tlie truth. But hec hath taken a farrc other courfc, an J feckcth very lewdly by lies and tales to abufe the kings mod excellent Maicltie, by pretending antiquitie for thofe things which by antiquity were condemned : by fathering their owne baltards vpon the Fathers, by wrelting and iorcing their Tayings to that which they neucr thoughCjyea when fomctimes in the vc- ric places which hcalleadgeth they hauat^iight the contra- ric to that that he would approoiae by them :by dcprauing our religion wich odious confequences oriierefies, impie- ties, blafphemies : whereof nocwithltanding 1 make no doubt but he himfelfe in his own cofcience dbch acquit vs» Wlicreby it may ieemc that ho wfocuer he were willing to put his rcqueit to the aduenturc,yct being himfelf without all hope or opinion of fucccfle-in it,his fpcciall relpe6l was to lengthen the expe6tation of his Catacatholicke foUow- crs,that they might not vtterlydefpairc of that, with the hope whereoftheyhauefo long deluded them; to fettle them in thofe heresies and irreligions whereto they hauc fo long inured them •• to continue them pr eft and ready to thole intents and purpoles whereto they thinkc they ,. may hereafter haueoccafiontov/e themrtoprouideby ^«.ip.2y, thele meanes wich ^ ^ememus that his and his fellowcs craft and occupation might be maintained whid^ was now in ieopardy to grow vtterly to decay : and lallly to addc fome grace to his booke the better to ferue all thefe turnes whileitit fliould carry the name to be dedicated to the king: no man imagining, the caleftanding as it doth^that he would prefumc to offer it to his maieftic but that doubtlefl'e bethought fome exploit to be performed by him therein. And that he thought fo indeed, appeareth hy his owne wordes in the Preface to the Reader, commending this trcatife vnto him vndcr thefe cermes^^^^r hejba//fiad herf- in the m^row and pith of mznjlarg: volumes contratled and dran^en into 4 narrow rQQme, By his owne conceit therefore he Fpi/lle to the IQfi^. ^ hchathfentvstheltrengch ol'dieir ftrcngth, the clioyfe of their learning, the flowre oftlieir arguments : fo that thisbookcisasitvvereaCo/w^outoi thchcll otthc Fhi- hltuns fcnctodefie the holt of Ifraell,and to require a con- combatant at one fight to trie the matter, preluming that in all Kraell is not a man to be found tliat dare vndcrtakc to anfwere the challenge.Wlierby appearcth that it is but for talTiion lake that he ipeaketh lo uicdeltly in the begin- ning of his epiftle, excufing his (lender skill^and complai- nmg that his de.id and dai'y interrupted q^ ptrfecHtedfhdics ffillnot ^ue htm leaue to accompli^ that litlc -which cthcrmfe he might vndertake andpcrforme. Surely he neither wanted skillnorleilure, asitfcemcth, that could thus gather the marow and pith oHb many large volumes. As tor his llu- dies, if he will confcflc the truth, he muft acknowledge that they haucbeene more ^«/frr//^/r T>fdl 4.^, Lordh^thchofcn. But histhreatningwordt'Stowaixlesthe {.ciu^JU) ^^jj end ot tiiisepilfle doc prclage that heereafter they will al- "'""'«>ft«- ter this ft;le, and ciy out, as they did in the dayesofour.^^|^^'j^''| ' nioit uoblcQuecne deceafed, of cruelty, tyranuie,cxtrc- uinl, '^^ ^ "' B 3 nutie. 6 Tl:e Ai/r^er to 2). Silhops mine, of perfecutions and martyrdomes , when by their difloiall and {editions courfes they lliall drawe from his Maieftie greater feueritie and fliarpencflc of executions then his princly nature is ot it felfc indincd vnto. Then Ihallthis acknowledgement of his bee an vpbraiding of them that they themlelues hauc made the rod wherewith they arefcourged ; that his Maieftie hath bcene kindeand louingtothem, but they haue beene vnkinde and crucll to themfehies. But tins cicmencie and kindnelTe, albeit it be an encouragement to good and faithfull fubie6b in du- tifull manner to vnfold vnto iiis Maieftic their luft gree- uances and rcquefts ,yet ought it not to embolden euill affc6led perfonswith calumnious libels to interrupt the peaceable courfc of Jiis Maiefties gouernement, and to fecke according to their drunken humours and fancies the alteration of the ftatc and admittance of thofc things , the building whereoftheythcmfclues know not how to fettle vpon any fure ground And this is the thing that M.Bifhop ' JH, 1 3 . 1 3. laboureth for/eeking with Elymas the forcerer " 'to pcrnert thejirafghtwayesof the Lord: ^ndvjhQveas his Maieftie as he confeflcth,^*!/^ made open and often frofejfion of his vigi- iancie and care toadttance theditiine honour of our Sautcur Chrijiandhismojlfacred religion J hee would inlf cad there- ^D4».ii.3 . of draw him to aduance the xAo^^Mau^^m the god of f" ^^^r ' Antichrift, and to ellablifh ' damnable htreftes by him ^r/- uilj i^rou^httn, whereby his agents and favours ^ through e Tit. 1 . 1 1 . coustou/hejfe tvithfained rvord^s doe make marchrndife of the Joules of men, ^Jfeaktng thinges which they ought not for fit hie lucres fake. And this hee doth vnder a colour oideliutring tvhat he affureth hiwfelfe to be very expedient ^ neceffa.ry and agreable towards the furnijhingandfeittng forward of jo hea- uenly a worke by his maielhe intendcd.But it is not inough that he aflurc himfelfc, vnlefle hee could by gocd ground aflurc his maicftie alfo of that which he laboureth to per- fwade,which he hath not done nor indeed can do:& ther- fore as touching his furnifhing and fetting forward of this workc vvorke vveanf^'crlumas cheprincesand f.thersof lt''»'-^'^^' ot lefus v^hrill. Indeed ic is true winch he laith, that what- foeucr taL nt ofUar^ji^g or k^owl. dge hee k.th ata tied vy.to, xVtvfe andfriiii thereof is due to his Maiellk j but the grea- ter is his fmnc to withdraw it from him towlionie it is due, beinpfotarreengagedto thePopeas that his Maidhc c^fannotprelumeot any true and faithtullvfe thereof. As for the proofe that healledgeth of his fmcere and duiifull affeaionandloue, it is altogether vnlound. And to this purpofe 1 may well demaund as did C^#i«/*;// the Em- perourthe father of the great Confimine\'^Ho-w Jhould ^EufdM ylta Jh-y b' deemedfaithfiiil mto their pn»ce,who are found to be ConfiA, ucii. pMwHS and vnfatthf.d/tow.^rds Godi It appeareth by that fecret that he vttereth in this epiftle towards the endc,that his loue is according to the rule ot B^^zs, if at leaft it were . • his ^JicamatanqHamaltqmndoofHrHs'. Louefoas beir.gpcr- . TulUManfi.l \ h ws in time to h^te. Cer came it is.whadocuer he preccn- uua. deth that neiiherhcenorhiseuer meant his Maieltie any oooivnleflethey could game him to bee that that they would hauehim to be. But what is tliat proofe ot his fin- cericie that hee alleageth?for(ooth m time of vnccrtamefor- tnne.whcK, hee (aiih, ajf.redfrinh are 7»oft certai'dj trtedhe both riSrddt'qraceandhtrtd ranee f orbs hue tow.:rds his MJde.beJpLdmfrs^ir, tAScotifi in pMiHWlm-c wc fee that afJfe merchant needeth no broker. How cun- nmolv he alofeth the matter to make fhcwot great loue whe'rcindfed there wasnoneatall. What.^vyas itforJus Maicrtiescaurctl)attholchardfoituncs,tliat dil^'ace and hmdcr.jncc- 8 Tl?e Mf^er to t^.'Bijhops hinderancedid bcfalUliim? Nothing lefle. Thclefuitc* forfooth and the Secular prkii:., whileftcch feeke fupe- riority oucr other, fall together by the eares ♦ The lefutics procure an ArcIiprieftjOnc that (liouldbe at their deuoti- on,to be fee ouer the Seculars. The Seculars rcfufc to yecldhimfubii^lionand by appeale refer the matter to the Pope. Forthcprofecutmgof this appeale M.Bif^op with another of his company are fent to Rome, There by the procurement of ?^r/wj both hee and his fellow arc clapped vp in prifonj and continuing there for many weekes were at length by the fentence of their Prote6tour baninied£ngland,andthconcof them confined to Lor- raine,and the other to Frauncc. This is the maine tragedy oiM,JBf(h&ps iniii(ortuncSy not concerning the cauie of the kings Maieftic any whit at all, Onely in the managing of thefc matters it came to pafle according to the pro- ucrbe,thatj37/7^« theeuesfall onty trne men come by their goods ^ For w hileft cch part fought to p>rouide the better Tor themfelueshecre in England for the time to come, tiic lefuits for their aduancement laboured to entitle the Lady /«f^»/'<«of Spa'netothefuccelTiouofthc crowne of Eng- land. But the Seculars prefumingthat if the Infanta were fct vp^they muft certainly goe downe, and chufing rather toaduenturethemfeluesvpon vncertaine hope, then to giuewaytovndoubtedand certanie defpaire, flirowded themleluesjvnder the acknowledgement of his Maieftics iuft tittle,not for any loue to his Mpicftie, but for hatred to the lefuits^and for the preferment ofthemfelues»For ima- gining that things vpon the death of Quecne Elizabeth would grow troublelbme and intending to make offer to hisMaiefticof their helpe forfooth for the obtaining of the crowne, they thought by capitulations and conditi- ©nsjhis Maicftie preuaiiing, to make all fureforthcirpart, thinking that the lefuitcs by their traicerous pradifes had let a fufHcient barre againil themfelues, and fhould be no let Tnto thcWf Hccreupon they fall to writing one againft another EpiftletothelQng. p tnother,and M. Bifhop is ftiled in print ^. Scctift wfa* c7w«andtopickc a chankcvvith his Maicftie, wntctlihis Uvopt Id dtfccmjl^onefcr defer.ct cfhis Highr.ejfe honofir^the ctht r cfhis title tv the crowne of England,. A u'orkc of fuper- crogatjon tor his part: for his Maiellie needed no luch pro6toui s as he is neither was the w rangling ciz corrpa- nicoibafcfugitJiicsliifFiCicnt to queftion cither his Ma- iclties hoiiour,or his title to the crow ne. A nd Iiow httic Iicld cJiere was in tlieie his defcnfes may appcarc by tlic cx;;mples of his (clIowes,Watfon and Clarke, who tookc part vviih I im in this a6lion:and the one ot them wrote as much in the kings defence as M.Bifhop did, and yet when they faw vpcn his Maiellies entrance that things were likely to jj^oe otheru ilc then liked them ur-mediately they fall to conipiring and plotting againil him : the cafe was altered: they w ere not nowe the men tliat they were be- fore. The Uke is M^ifhops fidelitie and loue and he him- fcli^c afterwards plainly giueth his Maicftie to vnderftand that he may hope no otherwife of him then he hath alrea- die found m them. Yet hecre he prefumeth that (ith /;// lUdti' r.nd ione to h is i^iaieftie hath heretofire Arawne him vith.ut the comp^jfe of his prcftjjion to treat cf kv? courfesl therdore hts Crac e votllltcerce htm 9 ut of the like «r, 1 . j^^^^^f . £y meki>gs dee reigne^\\\x% the Pope would haue Princes as very beafts as Nabuchodonofor was, not to know of whom they hold their crownes and kincdomcs but to thinke that aU dependeth vpon him.But M.BilTiop hecre acknowledgeth the truth that of God they holde the faraejand therefore ihould make it their (peciall care that the fame God be honoured accordingly. And heere vna- \?iLarcshce iuftifictli our do^rin^ as touching the Princes fupremc Epiflle to the Kjng. 1 2 fupreiiic authoritie for the goucrninent of our ch.urcli, tlic crte6lwhcrcofwe teach to bee this, to piouide by lawes and to take efpeciall order that God bee purely and vp rightly fcrued : that idclatric and luperllition bcc reinoo- ued ; tliat the word of God be truely and finccrc ly taught, that the Sacraments be duely adminillred : that the Bi- iliops and pallours diligently performc the feruice and duety that doth appertainc vntothem, that the comnian- denientsofCjodbenotpubhkcly and fcandaloully bro- ken. For thele things we acknowledge the king to be vo- der Chrift tUt fttprcme gouemoptr of the churches within the doiiunions that are fubie6^ vnto him, and this ductie M. Bifhop confelleth to appertainc vnto him. And thus did the good kings of Iudah« Dauid, Ezcchias, loHas, &c. rhushaueChriftiancmperours and princes done; thus and no othcrwife did Queene Elizabeth : and yet for ^■^ ^ ^\, the doing hereof (hee was profcribed by the Pope, and fo much as in him lay depriued of iier crownc and fcepter But the good hand of that God whomc fhee ferued was continually with her, and fhce profpered thereby :whileft he that was the beginner of that tragedie and diuers other his luccellours and confederates wentto hell fhee raigned with viftorieand glory : fliee was a tcrrour to the nations about'her : lliee died in peace 5 was buried in honour : left her kingdome iafely to be entred and enioyed by his Ma- leftie, and herfelfe now raigneth in heauen triumpiiantly tor euer. In the fame fteps his Maieltic walketh : and the (ame God will be his guide and defGnce,and we doubt not but will more and more eftablilh the throne of his king- dome to himlelte and to his royall poftcritie vntill the day of Chrift, that that Samaritan generation may gnaw their tongues for anger and cnuic Co fee the walles of lerufalcm afcending, and the temple of God buildedvp and his true rehgion and feruice floui idling and increasing more and more* C 3 5. W. B I s H o R { 1 4 T)7eAnfw2rtoV3ijhops 5. W» Bishop, Bp't ftthence there bee in this our wfi miferable age, ^reat diuerfitiss ofRelmoiiSy and but cue one Ij, •Kh^nrcuhCjodis , /. truelyfernedardpleafedy as faith the ^Jj)cflU. Onebodie, ^' ^* one spirit, as you arc calk d into one hope of your voca- tion, one Lord, one Faich, one Baptifme : LMy mefikim- blefuite andjHfflicatwn to jour high Mai&^ie isy th^t yon to your eternall gocd, •tviUemhrace^mamtaineiCiyidfet forth thAt onely trufy CathoU. k£, (if^^ ^fojlo'tckefatth, rvherein all your mofl 7 oiall progenitors hued and dicd'.or if you cannot be womie fofoone^ to alter that religion m which /> hath beeneyour iMif-~ fortune y to haue beene bred and brought vp I That then in the ^m^yfiif A f'^h ^ meane feafcHyyouwillnot [0 heauilyjer^Me^the finare pro- R. Abbo T. How M. Bifhop propoundeth briefely to his Maieftic the fum of his petition, the foundation whereof he layetli in a principle which wee acknowledge to be a truth, that whereas there be great diuerfiries of religions in the world ^ thereisbut one onely v!>herervithGodistru^lyftrued. Here- vpon hce frameth his humble fuite and iupplication that his maiedie rviU embrace, fnaintaineandjetfoorth that only true^ CaxhoUcke and ^pofloluke faith. But that necdeth no fuite norfupplicationofhis; for his maieftie already doth embrace, maintaine and fetfoorth that one only true Catholicke and Apoftolickc faith. For what is the c atho- (id lick.' faith but thchkhoi the Catholic kechurch^Andwhidi ynitMclej'.c, 1. 1^"*^" ' '^^''^ ^'^ ^^^ ^° ^^ ^^^^ Cathclt: % (hunh t Surely the jithandf. eatholtck^ church by the very fignification of the woorde is qttxfi.S 1 . the VriiiterfAl! church fo called * quiaper totum efi, bscaufe b jttgufi.in -f ^j ouerallor through all the world, and is not tied to anic ^-^"'5 • countric, place, perfonor condition of men ,'' not this chnrcb Efiflk to the IQu^ . I tfo as that there be- Lng to tt both thofe that hatte bccne before vs and that fhall be after vs to the worldes er.d» Whereby we fee how abiiirdly ciie church of Rome takcth vnto it the name of the catho- Itcke church-flXii^ how abiiirdly tlie Papilles cake vnto them the name oF Catholickes » The Catholicke church is tJie v- 2 niuerfall chuich.-thc church ot[Rome is a particular church ' therefore to fa}', the cathelt k^ Romane church is all one . as to fay the vniuerfall particular church. To fpeake by ■ their rule, the Romane church is thchead, and all other churches are members vnto it, but the cathoiicke church compreiiendeth all : therefore to lay the Romane church .^ is the Cathohcke church, is as much as to fay , the head is V the whole bodie. Neither dotli it helpe them, tharofoldc particular churches were called by the name of cnthdicke churchy it being no otherwile done but as m totofimi/ari in a body rphere all the parts are of the fame nature y\Nhtvc cue ry part hath the name of the whole, and no one part can chalcnge the fame more then any ocherjas in the elements cuery part of the fire is fire: cuery part of the water-water: euery part of the earth is earth, and cuery part by like rca- . foncaryeth the fame name. For fo euery church wiierc true faith was taught was called to diltinguifli it from he- retical! allemblies. The 'Catholicke church, and euery Bifhopoffuch church was called a BiOiopofthc Csitho- '^fj^^t'^A Ucke church, and no one church more then other aflu- *^*'**' med vnto itany prerogatiuc of that title, Therefore they called the c^ifW^f^/^//;?? the faith that was receiued by the church throughout the whole world, and true Chri- llians were cjllcd Catholtckesy "^ ex commtmione totitis orbis d ^^utuS. by hautng consmmionandfellowpjlp cf faith with the church (fep,/lj.^%, the vphole world. It is therefore a meere vfurpation, where bythePapilles call the Romane church the catholuke ^ cktrchj and tlic very fame that the Donatiftcs of old did/ vie*. 1 6 The Anfitfer to ©. 'BiJl)ops * %i ^^^f They Iicld tl.c CatJotlicke church to be at 'Qirtenna in Africa, and tlie Papirtes hold it to bee at Rome m italic. They would iuue the church to bee called ^kr/ztf/ii k£y not by realbn of the coimnuiiion and fociety thereof through /^.. the whv>levvorld,but^/^rf^yo«aptt/me, one^ ffiritptall mert and ^•"''•*°' J* <^r/;rj^ one religion. Lctvs then looke vnto thofc that haue beene before vs^and confider Abel. No e^ty^braham^ IfacXylc.ccb and the reft of tlic Patri arches and Fathers : let vs looke to Mofes2i.w^ the Prophets and the whole gene- rations of the righteous and taithtull of the old Tefta- mcntand fee whattheir faith was: what was their religion and feruice of God. Vndoubtcdly wefinde nota Papift aniongrt them all : we finde no iTiadow of that which they now obtrude and thruft vpon vs vndcr the name of Ca* D tholicke i8 The jfnfwer to T>. 'SiJJ?ops i«Cor.4.t3« * Tertul.de fr^fcri^t atU. Imrtt. » Mi 7.6.ZX. » Tertttlje. frsftrifttdiu, htsret* lit.VetiLLl', thoUcke religion. They did not worfhip idols and images they did not coinming aicer pray to the faints that were dead before: they vied no inuocation of angels : they knew no merits nor works of fupereroganon: they vowed no vowcs ofmonkerie: they neither Ibid not bought par- dons, nor made praiers tor foules in Purgatone ; they made no pilgrimages to reliqucs and dead mens bones : tliey knew no fhritt nor ablolution,norany of that rifraflc Ituffe wherein tlie fubilance of Catliolickc religion is now imagined toconfift. Butvvhat they did,the fame doe wc as they worlhippcd God,fo,(auing ceremoniall oblcruati- ens, we alfo worfhip him : as they bclecued fo by ^ the fame JpiritoffaithwcskbhclccueiAS they praied, fo and with the fame words wee alfo pray according to the approoued example of their life,wce alfo teach men to line. Therefore notFoperic but our religion is the Catholickc religion, becaufeicisthat which the Catholickc church hath pra- ftifed from the beginning of the worldjand Popifli rcligi- QU is not to* The £amc faith and rehgion which they fol lowed and no odier our Sauiour Chriil at his comming further confirmed and onely dripping it of thofe types and fhadowes,wherewithitpleafcdGodtorthe time to cloth it, commended the fame to his Apoilles fimply and na- kedly to beeprcached to tlie nations. They did fo: ' they, added nothing of their orvne^hcy preached ©ncl)' "the GoffcU fromtfedb(forebytheprofhitj in the holy Scrtpt^res: 'fay- ing none other things then thoje which the prophets a^id Mofet dmfayjhottldcome,'' TheGofpell which they firfi preachedy afterwards by the willofGod^ as Irene us laith tbcyJc/iuered to vsin writing to he the pillar and foundation of our faith. Thus then whatChrift deliuered,theApoltlcs preached whatthe Apoftlcspreachedjthey wrotrwhat tiicy wrote, we receiue and beleeue, and '^ heleemng thisy as Tertullian faith,»?tf de^e to beleeue m more.becaHfe wefrfi beleeue tb. t there is nothing elfefer vs to beleeue. And therefore as Saint AuibnfaitIi,'//«««j'W;««, nay if an ange II from hcMten/hall preach. l^tflle to th K^g, I g ffeachvntovs concerning ChrtJiyOr cotteertihighis churchy or concerning any thtrg appertaining to ourfasth C^ /ifc hht rvhat T^e haue recc iacd in the Script ftres of the Law and Gofpell ac- cnrfedbe he.Qwi faith tlicrctbrcjbccaufc ic is thatwhicli the Aportlcs committed to writing, \& tlic *ApcJioltckefaithy & our church '' ex confanguimtatedoclrin^yhy confanguinitjy^ agreement ofdoEirine is proucd to be an ^4poSioltcke church ^^*'"^**''>« ? Of this OMvApojtelicke church his Maicfty [is the [prindpall ^^*^ member,and vnderlcfusChrilltlie iiipreme gouernour: this Apodolickc faith he embracctli^maintainech and fet^ tcdi toorth,and this is the onelj true Cathclick* andApofit- lickefatth. As for M.BiHiops religion, it cannot bee the Cathohckc religion, becaufe it is not that wliichthe Ca- thohcke church, tliat is, thefaithfullofall agcs^haue pra» 6hfcd : his faith is not the Apoftobckefaith, becaufe it is not that which the Apoftlcs left in writing. They make no mention of the Pope, of his fuprcmacie, of his par- dons, of worfhipping of images, inuocation ot Saints,pil- grimages^and a thouland (iich other trumperies. Nowe whereas hee alleageth tliat all his Maieflies moil roiall progenitours haue liued and died in that whicii he calleththc Catholicke and Apoftolicke faith, hee playeth thepartofSymmachus the Pagan Sophiftcr, whobythe like argument woulde haue perfwaded Valentinian the Emperour to reftore their heatheniHi idolatries andabho- minations. ' We are ffollowwrfathersy (ayth lie,ivho rvith ^ •^rtirrof.tfif, happinejfe andfdicitie followed their fathers.lhus men haue ^ l^^^^^*** hardened tliemfelues in their hcrefics faying, ** Taretaes i^ug.Tftl^^^ meiqtiodfuerHnty htc^ego* fVhut my father and mother ■voire before me ^the fame vptlll bee. But his Maieftie well knovvcth that in matter of religion the example of parents is no bond to the children, but the triall thereof is , Vo re- ' CyfrUnJLz 7 ^ turnc to the roote OJ^doriginallofthe Lords tradition^ as Cy- *^*^- J* > prian fpcaketli , not regarding what any btfure vs hath thought fit to be done^butwhatrhrifi hath done who is before 4//; It IS not vnknowne to his Maicftic tlut there (hould D2 be 2 o Tl?e ^[Mr to T>. Sijhops ^ ^poc. 1 7 be(? a time when the kj^g^s of the eartli ' (honldgiue their * 3-^7« fower arid kingdom-: to theheafi v^ii'lthe wordofGcdheful- JiliedfZnd wizhihcTvhoorefatiftgvpoftmafi} waters Pjould: s-verf.H' bciidtlieiiiGIuestos/[^/;;/^<:?^^.thtch the Roman church maint awed tn her tKofi foHrifbtno eltate:j/otimujlfor/uke the VroteflaMt^aHd take the cathoUcke tntojQur frmce/y ir^tc^lion. R A B B O T. You talkc M. Bifhop , of many vrgcnt and forcible rea- Tons, but you calkc as your kllowcs doe like Moantc- bankcs and lugicrs ; you hauc much prating and manie wordcs, but your rcaifons when they arc dueiy examined are as hght as feathers before the winde. Neyther woulde tlicy feemc other to your ownefoUowersjbut that you be-" witch diem to thispnncipletiiat they mull reade nothing written on our part for anfwere of them. We fee your vr- gcnt and forcible reafons in this bookc which you tell vs is the marrovf and pith of many large volumes, I doubt not but by that time I hauc examined theiamc,your ownc pupills and fcholcrs, it they rcadc the anfwer,will account you a meere fcducer, acofcncrand abulerofthem , and will dcteft you accordingly. But to beginne withall, you offer three reafons to his Maieltic inycurepiftle for the iullijfyingofyour Romifh religion and fortheempcach- ingcfours :two chojen tat cf the fuhieR of this hooke : the thtrd/e/e&cdfrom aftntence of his Maitfii,; deliuered at the Conference* A^ow if theie reafons prouc rcalbnlcfle, then your reafon , M. Bifhop , ihouldc hauc taught you more manners and duetie then thus to trouble his moft excel- lent Maicilic with your reafonlcffe reafons. To examine them in order,his firft reafon is grounded vpon a principle nioHiudidoullyandfoundlyafiftrmcd^by his Maieltic at the Contcrcnce aforefayd ; * That m Church ought fnr^ » Confer. p.i^, th^rtofeparateitfclf^fromthechurchcfRoTneiH dotlrine or 7$, ccrimofrie, thtnfljce hath d parted ft o her felfe yvhenfhee Kvas in hvrpiirilhingandbcfleflatc^ar,dy^\\\d\ is fubtillylcft out by M.Biniop,^i;w Chrtfl her lord andhcadj For leeing it. cannot: 24 77;e Jnfwer to V.^fhops cannot bee denied bat that the church of Rome was once Ipund andvpright in the faith, the Apollle bearing wit- ^ /(.W.I.8. ncli'w lU^X^ their faith was pHhlijhcd tPjnughoi.t the whole Tecorldyit mulhiecdes follow that what flieehath not (ince tliat time akcrc d is Itili vpright and found , and therefore to bee unbraced. Ncwe from liencc M , Biiliop argucth thus ihitthi pn^^dvAlpi/Iars ofthj church ofRcme tn hermofi fiouriPjmgifiate Uihght in ^.li feints of Rehgton the pime do- Urine ihatjh ee now Joel eth^ andin txpnjfe t. rmes did con- demns for etronr andherefie the molt ot the articles of our religion : therefcre if his Maieftie will embrace that do- ctrine which the Roman church maincain^d m her moll flourifhing eibte he muft f orGke thcProteflaiit & receiue the Catholicke into his princely proie6lion. But (bfi: and taire Maiftcr Bifhop , there is no haft . Your propoii- tionyetremaineth to becprooucd, which you cannot prooue , and it is indeedc gr oily and abf iir dly talle. Wee hope you will notdcnie but that the Apoftle Saint Paul was one principal pillar ofchatchurch,who there flied his bloud for the witnelTjng of the faith, Hecwrotan epiftlc to the church of Rome at that time when the faith thereof was moft renowmed through theworkle, Hec wrote at *TI d f largccomprchcndingthcreinas Thedoret fayth * Omnis pr£fat.in tp'ifi. S>^*^^^'* doBrinam ^ accnratam copiofamq, dogmatp:mft rtra Tauli, Rattcnemlelo5lrine of all fortes^ cr afl ktndeof doElrmCyand very exaB andplentifu II handling ofthe points thereof. Now in all thatepiftle what doth he Uy either for you or againft vs ? nay what doth he not lay for vs againft you ? Hee con- * Kom 1 ij. demnetli '' the char git g tftheglorie cfthe incc rrnptihle God « f (jr/. 2 5 . f^fg thefitmlitude of the imfige of a corruptible manA'r.d ' rvor- Jhippingthe creature infiead cfthe (^reatour. It is forvs a- gainft you : tor you by yourlchooletpckcs doubt hoc to teach mcnne by the image of a man to worihip God, and by religious dcuotions of prayers and offerings to worfliippc Samts and Saints images inftead of God. Hee H«««.x.x7. Tayth^and wc (ay the fame^hat' therighteoufnejlfe of God is from Finjlle to the IQng. 2 5 fr m faith to fail h * You Iky othcrwile that it is from faith townrkcs: that fiith is but the entrance to workes , and that in workcs tlie rightcoulhclTe of God doth properly conHll, T he A poltle in exprefle tcrmcs affirmeth, « im- ^ ^'""■< ♦^ fHtattonffrightcoMfnejfemthent tvcrkcSy we doethei'ame, butycuprotclVedlydifputeagainftit . Hee tcachcth vs that '' tt rr.al! ife is the gt^t oj God through lefus (^ hrji our ^ Vag.6.ii Lord\\)Wt } ou M Eilliop, tell vs that all ' thAt are of je ares ^"l^"^' ofdtjcrettonnittfl ( ithcr Ly thetrgobd cartage defer He ( ti rnall / ife ^orclfe for their had bchAhunr he dfinhtrtted. He tellcth vs againe, and againe, ^ concupfcence isfnne , td Infi is to fiK»ej and by the luw it is knowne lb to bee : wee lay ^ Kom-^ ^7 the faille, but you goe about to make vs beleeue that it is f^^' . , not I'lnnc, HQiziihohhc^fp rit of ad-fftiotj, the fame /pir.'t ^^ ' he^ircthwttnefft w th cur fptrtt that we are the fonnesofGodi buc youfay we haue no fuch witnefle whereby we iLould bclccuethatwcarethefonncsoiGod. He faith the -" /^- '" '^°*"'^-''» ferngs oj thrs tmie are n t worthy oj the g 'cry thet^jallbe rc" ne^lei I fit.) w : but you fay they are worthy. He laith no- thing for thofe points for the deniall whereof M. Bifliop con Jemneth vs , nothing for luftification before God by workcs, nothingforfrce will J nothi ng for reliques, no- thing for the merit of fingle life 5 nothing for prayer for the dead, noihingfor Traditions, nothing for any of the rcfl. Now in ihis cafe, M . BiOiop, it haddc becnc Be that youfliculd by very good rcafon haue fatisfied !^.is Maielty how it flionlde bee probable or pofTible that the Apottle writing at large to the Church ol Rome, flioulde not once mention any ofthofe maine points wherein the religion of the church ot Rome now wholy confilleth, if the chiuch of Rome were then the fame that now it is : that he fliould fay nothing of the prerogatiue of thatchurcli, nothing of the Pope, ofhis pardons 5 of the Malle, of tranfubltan- tiationjofMoonkifhvowes, of images, of pilgrimages, of prayer to Saintes , ofall the reft ofyour baggage llutfe: in a word that he fliould be a Papill, and yet Ihould v\ rite E nothing argum.oftht efifi. in gene ~ rail. " Erafm.de rat. (enclo»,lib.^. P lhlinP),de~ fcript.ofBri- tainecap^j, Annals of Eng- land by lohn. i6 Tlye Jhfwer to D. Sifhops nothing but what in iliew at leaft fcrueth the Protcftants tiirne:only we muft be perfwadcd torfooth thut" where ^ny thing fopindeth co.trary to the Romtfh faith, rvefaiteof the right fenfe. But vndoubtedly : M. Billiop, either Saint PaulwasaProteftant^orelfehe dealt very neghgentlyin yourbehalfe. Saint Peter was another piincipall pillar of that church, the founder and head thereofas youper- fwade vs. What.would he alfo forget the triple crowne? would he lay nothing of all thofe things? Not a worde* There is nothing huidereth in either of his Epiftles but tliat he alio mull be taken for a Protellant. Me thinkes here you iliould fare as in another caufe " Robertus Lkiey^fis did before the Pope* Youlhould fpitand cry out fevp- on Veterfie vpori Vaul. Would they not thinke tlieie traHi and trinkets of our^. fo much wporch as rofoeake of them? Ah thefe Protellants, tlieie heietickcs, tiicy lay all for them, and nothing at all for vs. But alas. Peter and Paul had not heard of any ot thefe things and therefore no mar- uellthat tiicy wrote nothing of them. 1 hey rc.id Moyfes and the prophets; they preached as Chriftdid according to the fcriptures: the Catholicke religion that had bcene fi'om the beginning of the world they contmucd: betwixt the old and the new teliament we lee a woonderfull agree- ment, but concerning Popery we fee nothing. Well, M. Bifhop, letvsleaue Peter and Paul for he- retickes : let vs fee whether thofe that fucceeded did all teach the fame do6lrine that the church of Rome now teacheth. EkucheriustheBiQiopof Rome being fcntvn- to by Lucius king otthis realme for a copy of the '' Roman conftitutions for the gouernement of his new conuerted church and of the Imperiall lawes for the better ordering of his common wealth about i^o yeeres after the death of Chriftjforanfwerewritethvnto him: that hauingrecei'^ed in his f^ngdome the lawe andfaithofChrifl, andha'iingnow the oidaninervtefiamentJoefhoHldby a Councell of his realms take Uvpesfromthence to gomrne thereby: thdt he yfos the vir- car Epiflletothel^ng, 27 car if God in his ki^igdowes : that the people andnations of the kwadmie ofBritaim were his , euen hts children : that ft:ch as were d^ uided he jhotdd gather them together vnto the iare of Chriji: hishslj church to peace and concord : andjhotild che- rt(b,maintaine ,nroteEl^goHerne and defend them, ^c. But now the religion ofRome hath altered that ftile and tel- IcthvsthatnotthekingbutthePopeis '^Gods vixar vpon '\ Stxt.proxm. earthy his vicar generall for all kingdomes : and aster »»5'#- the churcii, the matters and gouernemcnt thereof belong not to tlie king ; who if hce make any lawes concerning ^ ^^y^^^^^ religion, ' he chalengeth to hmfelfe anothers rig^r,tliat is,the ■^^„ator. Popes.'becaufe God would not haue the worke of Chrijiian relmon to be ordered bypHblicke lawes or by thejecular powers bm by Topes and Strops, Anacletus Bilhop of Rome and after him Cahxtus ordeined ^ that confecration beeing done ^ Di/i.i.E^Jfco- all jhoM communicate or elfe be excommmicated : ^^^^ f°y^"^f^' ^^' fay they, the^pojilesdidjetdowne and the holy church of Rorrte obferneth. But the church of Rome that now is ma- kcthitlawfullforthepriefttoreceiucalone : the people in the meane time ftand gazing and looking on : and the fight only muft luffice them ♦ lulius the bilhop of Rome dlTallowed' tntin^am Eucharifltan'/, the dipping ejtheEn- t Deconfecrat. charifi the facrament of Chrills body in the cup , becat4fe difi.x.CHm no witrnffe hereof was brought out of the Gofpell^ but there is ^mnr. mentisncdthe commending of the bread by itfclje, and the cup h '^/^f^' ^"^ "°^ ^y ^^^^ Canon ot the made the prielt mult " dtppethethtrdpartofthecsnfecratedhofiinthefacra-^^^^^.^^.^^^ tnent ofthehludandthenprayeihthattks mixture may be i^canone hea/ttf^llto himflfe andallthe receiuers vnto eaerlafling mijf^, life, Gelafius BiOiop of Rome faith as u^e lay that ^ in the - Gdafcont. facrament iscelebrated an image erfemblance of the body and ^y'J- ^ blofidofChrift, and that the re ceafeth not to be thefibfiance or nature of bread and wine : But now tlie Romilli religion maketh them heretickes tiiat fay the facramet is the image or femblance of the body and bloud ot Chrift and not the bodyandblouditfelfc, or will not beleeue that tlie bread 28 Ti?e Jnfwer to V. 'Bif^ops and wine arc fubftantia'ly and really turned into the fame . body and blood,, albeit chey belceue withthe farae6V<2- Jius that the lacramcnt is a d'U:nc thiKg., ayidthat thereby wee ^re made part^k^rs ofth^dm'me n :t.ire^t\i^n oi Chrill jiiai- fcKe realiy and llibltantiallyjbut yet l^;iricuali)', v\i:haU his nchcs becomming ours, and bciijg eancn ot vs, net byourteedi into our bellies, butby taitii mtoour hearts rvei-onricr vnto eucilaftinglife. The fame G Lijl sM^htn hevnder- i. t'^^i^' Ovvnefinnesjand which doe ferueto lupplie the nc- ^tmiHs. cefliitie and want of others, and that they doe thereby pay the , EpiHletothelQng. zp the dek of other men , that hcereof is growne a treafurt in thecluuch oFRome wliich is to bee dilpenfed anj di- (pofcdbytlic Pope , and due hence his Inhiigenca and. Diric/Kf haue they grounded. The dune Leo diU not cake vponhuBCocall generall Counfelles , but when occafion cf the licrcfic otEucyches lo required ,maderc4ue{l to the Emperour 1 heodoluis that Jiee woulde ' commaund ^j_,^ ^^^p^ ^ aCounlell , and olten entreated that hee woulde ap- 2;. 24.^1. point the fame m fome place ot Italy, vvhicli not .viLlillan- ndingthc&nperourwouldnot butcommaundcd it to bee .'' ^^ft-ri *holdenat"Epherus: and Martianus after at ' CbaLedon, \ ^^'^'^^ audthatwhen ^ L':oag.ainewouldhaueIuditdcicired to „^^'^ 4i'47« abetteroppoitunitic,asindecd the ^ a^uraofth: Church % Sicrdt, hifi, ^fter that t h ? Empc rours were C hr'tjHansfec:medto d pendvp - ealtf. Hb .^.m ontheirwi%and ^t their hkingthe gnatefi QomJe'U wereaj- {''J'^"",''- Jeryibl d as Socrates wicnciieth : '' JecmdHmfanHtonem m- (.JT,^^^' tertilemy peri/'periM'empKBtoftem^ as thefixtfynod in i,t,^a.i. Iral'o' often rL:pcaccth, yea and fo as that the Emperour >'^t7/o».4.y 6 athispleafurewas prelidentof the Counfcll , as in that '' "^ lU.^fl,, fixtfynod was Conftantinus the fourth : but now thecal- ^^,f/,^^/"'^" hngandprelidencie and confirmation of Counfellcs isde- /^['/"J^'^ fended to belong wholy to the Pope : as tor Chnftian confiant >w, Enperours and princes they haue nothing to doe but to ' Lfotp 16.^7 f.nd vvhenhecalleth,andto receiue what hee confirraeth '^■-^i^^^th-tptfl.^ The fame Leo profcfled ^ his obedience to the Ernperours ap- ''sv'od6"a6 pwtmentArdwtilly toTheodofius andMartianus , and n'Tgrtull ad A JAtho die Biibopot Rome "' hisdue obed-cnce to Con- Siay.tsr ^fo. ftantifiusthcfourtli , and rvhat yoir MaeHiesclemcncie loxet.ca.^o. h.ithco7nm.tndcd iaith hc.oirfermce hA'.hobedtsntly ptrfoiir- ° ^/^'•^•C)-.^^. med I " r;c?^^»?/'tr>'r^£'/«^ to^^;r;^accordingtothcanci- ,i,^,^^ ,^ ,,_ cnt do6l me ot the church as next to God ^ inferior to God ],t.t, «».-):but fincethatti.nethj Roinilhdo6lrineis5thatlooke p C4ulog.t fl. "honymch the Mooneiskjjethenthe Smne^Jo much is the ^'''■- '^' KjJ'- tmperour inf.no'tr to the Tope^ and therefore tliey haue "^'^^^^^^^^^^ wniten him ^ the P p.^s man , and made him^ to holdc his ,,tl:.j{^m. ftirrop , and appointed him to hold the bafin to lum, and E 3 to domino, f Clement. de apffellat.ca^* Vjftoralti- dubitetf " Dift,9^fi imperator. ^^ Difl.x^'de Sjracnfan£. y Glojfa.ibfd, J o The Anfwer to T>. 'Bifl^ops to doe fundry other offices of feruice, and to make all furethe Pope hath made him to' fweare fidehty and alle- ^i^ancQvntohim/lhereifmi^of^kj faith the Pope, i^utwe ha-4e ffiperiorhie oner the em^vey ' Who doubteth hut that 'PrieUs are the fathers and maflers of kings and prin:es ? It is mtferable madnefj e for the children to goe about to fubieH: to ^ them their fathers or fcholers their waj}ers. And therefore " Chrtftian emperours mnfifubieEi their executions to the Ec- clejiafiicallprelates^andnotprefer them* Pelagiusthebifhop ot Rome, the firil of that name, admitted a maried man to be^bifliopofSyracufajOnely putting in caution that he ihould not dilapidate the church goods, and transferre the fame to his wife and children, the danger whereof he fignifieth was thecaufe of that confiitution which did for bid a mttn hauingwife and children to be f re ferredto a hifhopricke: ^ othervcifeamadisnot repelled for wife aud children^ faitJi the ^o^zJbecAHfe the ^4^ofilepermitteth the fame: but now the church of Rome will by no meanes admit married mentobebifliopsorpriefts, not for that they would a- uoide the dilapidating of the church goods, (for that is a '^ vUtinMyit.xhin^covmnon with the Popes themfelues to applie all Tontif,nt Io!fa, z fofatisfie the greedwejfe and couetoufnejfe of their familiars, their brethren,theirnephewes, vnder which name comonly go their baftardsjbutbecaufe they afcribe to manage, as the old heretickes d\d^ pollmon and vncleannes^ which can not ftand with the fan6^itie and holinefl'e of the pricftly function. The Empcrours of Rome Theodofius andVa- ap^t.Cri>»* l'^-9'"*'9-*didforb>d the making, graumg-fir paint'mgof the Craafix and commandedit vponpenaltie to beaboliflied whersfoener it was found: but now not the making onely but al(b the worlTiipping of the Crucifix with diuine honour and wor- (hip is a matter of high religion in the fame Church of b Gregw. Mo- Rome« Gregory bifhop of Rome taught ^ that all the me- ^^ .p.rrfp^x ^^QJ^^yry^^g^ilQ^Y righteoufneffey is but vice and vn- righteoHjnejfe -Jc BelU^mAe. Clericislih.\.\ cab.ip. Epiflle to the Kjng. 5 1 righteoufne^eifit be jiriWj exumtned', it needeth therefore fratsr after righteoufneffe^ faith he, that whereas being fif ted it wonld qaat'.e^ tt may Ij the onelj rmrcy of the iudgejtande forgooii Yea and Bernard by ihe laiiiedo6iiine oF the churcli ofRome laith.tliai: ' mens merits are mt fach asthat et email /if' fljoald b: dp:e vrito them of right, or th^J God ^„„„„f- J" Jhonld doe ivrong f he did not giue the jame'^ ^ they are the fer. i . way to the kingdome^ laich he, but r. ot the ca'^fe ofobteit. ing the '^ De lib. arb, ^, kingdome: but now the church of Rome attrjbuteth i'o Z"^^'" fi"t» great pcrfetSlionofrightcoufneflc to good works, as that ^ 'they fully fill fe the law of C^od, and* woorthdy defcme „g/c-n"J -^^ ^/^r^W////&:yeatheyaffirme thenitobe Y*'/'*''''^^-''^^''^^*^-^ ^ J{bem, ^nnot. as God fljould b? vni ft if he re?idcred mt heauen for the in i.Tim.^.S* fawey charging the iuftice of God notinrefpe6lothis pro- * i»Heb.6.io, mile as the Apoltle doth, but inrefpe6lof the mer;t5cde- ^ fert of u'orks. Tlie lame Greaory affirmeth,that '' M'(fa,the , ^T""" '?'" rr / n jr i i / J r rr J r "'0«oxo confeH- majje wasfo cr.lledjor that they were to be aijmijjcay or Jem f^ jg r^^^. p^ away by the deacon thatd d not ret erne the holy commnnion chaiij}.c4,i, for that they that (lioiildnot be frejent at the celebratknofthe 'x Litttr^. fc.crament were commanded to goe forth : therefore laith ^^'^^1^ Cajjan. iiCjVnleile at the voice of the deacon after the manner of our Afinccflo: rs they th^t doe not communicate be wi'.led to£oe foorth^the [ert4ice which is calledthe Ma^e ts not rightly ptr- formed: but now thcRomifh mafle is thought to be right- ly and due ly performed albeit no man communicate but thepritft, and without any difmiffing^f them,thatdo not addrclfe themfehies to the communion, the people, as was faidcbetore,beingbutoncly (pe6latours and lookerson. The fame Cjrcgor)' affirmed that' whojoener called himf If e i q^.^^ n or dcfiredtobe calledtheviiHcrfallhifhop^wasthe forerunner iib.e'^^i.^o'. of,^ntich ift, ap.d^ Aid propofe to himfdfe to follow him who ^ defj) fingthc legions of iy^ngtUsth at were -placed tnfoctty with ,j ' ^ " g ' himdidendeiioi'irto grow vpto the top offing.Liriiy, that he might feeme to be vnder none and himfelfe alone to beaboHei.\ll hccallcthit<2 n:w name^ a name of errour^ afonde name^ prottdt pemerfey rajh, wicked j prophane^whichy fiith he, none ' ^ z The anf^er to 2). ©i/7?a/?^ none "fmj ^rcdeccjfours confented to vfe ' Cj vrhkh ro m^^rme hAth ^nJuTKedto be cailedthatrccSintn th nhdj jra-'} : but foone atcer the time cf Gregory the Biihop ci: Rome tocke vppon him that hatcfuli nunc , and huch llnce JD cret. Grei- continued the fame , challenging the ' fvhole -worlde t9 d>- pre comi-e-^ ^tf his dicc-jfe , and is growne to tli^t Ixighc ofpride ^'''^'•'"'*^^"^',*as that hce doubteth not lo proclaime //>^ tt ""' fi-n- mtior.&.clid.'^'f^ Vpfon r.ecejlityoj /almtionJoT entrj joule to be Jub- f./p. ynAtnfan • tcEl totke Bijhop of R )tre. Gregorie the ninth Biihop of Clam, Rome,though lining in latter tune oFgreatcoiTuption,yet by the auncient do6ti ine of the Church of Rome could fay ° Grcg.ipiTf ad tlut'theKot k*iorfirigof the fcriptMns hj/the teflt^ome oj truth GeTm,%yi..4r. if ft Ife ts the occafv.n of irrowS'i and thtrefre thatitisex- apud- 'mz-'u ' p^dientfor allmentoreAder heare the famelhwinoxN the Ro- Tarf, in Hen- milh do6lrineis thatit ispemitiousfor thc peop^c to med- rUo intio. die with the fcriptures, tliat the reading and knowledge thereof is the breeding of errour and hcnfie 3 and as dogs from holy tilings, fo the people miift be Ic clocd from the " Eitron. in reading and vfc oftliena . Hicrcme and RufF.iuis by the frokg- Galeato. do6lrmeofthc chutch of Rome exclude from the Cano- ^^^ 5-'-^" "*r nicall fcriptures the fame bookes that wee doe : the bookes l''HUr'oiy"'pr^f. ^^° It^dtth , Tobias ^ Wtfedcr/je , Ecc'if.^fiicus, B-r.chj and ri lib. sdomo- the reft : they fay plainely : Nenfmt in^amne iKonfunt vluB^jJi-i.-vt Camraci '. they are rot (far.enlca-l or in the Canon : ^ the fufta. church readeth them for inflrt. Hion cfmahne.?^ not togiie any fo»o. ,1- ^^f^y-ify fg ^fjy gf-f-iefi^-iflif^aii (;i(j[fypjg ^ butnovvthe Church dent. Sen A..C 1. J f ■> .■* , . , 1 1 1 ' 1 i- ot Rome will haue them to bee rcceiued and beleeued ror ' Vi'^a (ont "^ Canonicall fcriptures, andofequall and like authority Eutychen 1. 4 With all the Other bookes . Vigilius borne at Rome and Billiop of Trent according to the doclnne of tliC church ofRome that then waSjaffiimeth that ' the My of CLriji » CoHcil. Trid, "n^heM it WAS vpon the earth was not in hcauen^ and that norp be- Sejf.^. fublulio cat^fe it is inheanen i it is net vpon the earth : but now the j . ca^. I . • Coun fe 1 of Trent and church oi Rome woulde perfvsade vs that the very body of Chrift though ir bee in heauen yet is really and fubftantiaUy here vpon the earth alfo , vpon the Epiflk to the I\in^, 22 the ahar.aixl in the pyxc and in tlit pricfts belly tnd in the bclhtsotasiDanyasai'e partakers oFthe facrament. Ter- tullian bciijg ' ior c iiuy ot the clergy of Rome fallen to the t Hienuyjn hercfeof'Mcntanusand thereupon oppugning the do- Catai.fcr,^. ftrmeotthe fame churcli^declarcth what tl:c (aide church '«'(/''«^/. then taught ccncerningfai^ingjofpurpole to difpute a- /."',-, againlt it; " 7 hej/fij, faich liee, that men Are tofafl ifidjffe^ ° Ttmlt^tle',^^'' rtntly ^t their dfjcreiion-^rot hj commaundiment leHcrie '"**'"•'*''''• man accordirgto his cvenetimes dndoccafwm '.that the xAtO" -'■^^'"'"* Jilesdidfo chjirne^trnfcfirg r.oyche cjflahdir.gjcfiesmdjHih asfljould in comtucn be k£}t of fill \ that in XertpLrgijf, in our fafies with bread and water the reisfcmwhat neers to heathe- nijh/iiferjitticn, ferfourming thcpfirificaitimof ^'tis, ijis und C)bele by theforbeartng cj certaine meates : whereas faith beingfree in Chrtji cweth r.ct tothe IcrtiJhltHw the for- bear tug cf any meates, being at or.ce admitted by the s/Sfofllt into the whole flj amble s\ the fame ^Jfo^le being adctejierof them that forbid to marry and corr.maurd to abjiawe fiom meates createdofgod^^ therefore that we were noted in them that pjouldin the laji timts depart from the faith &c»fothey faythatwe alfo arercprootiedwilhthe Galatians as ebjertiers cfdaies dndmoncthsardyeeresy They all eage alfc that Efay (aid, The Lordhath net chefenfuch afaft, that ts, nctfor^ bearing of meates but worlds ofiujiice, whtch he there fetteth downe : yea and tha I the Lord himfelfe in the gejpell anfwe- reth briefly as touchingaUfcrufuloftj ccncerning our liuelie- hood^that a man is r. ot defied with thofe things that enter intt his mopith^but with thofe things that come out of the mouth: he himfelfe eating and drir.kingfo at that thiy noted him for it: Beheld a glutton tind a drinktrcf wine '.that the xAtofllealJo teacheth that meat ccmmcndtthvs notto Cjcd, neither hauinf the mo re if we eate^ ncr the leffe if we eate not. It is needefuli that withallmy hart llelaue andloue Gcd^ardloue my neigh- bour as my felfe: for in the fe two cctr.maundimonts Jiandtth the whole law and prof hets^and not w the tmptueffe of my bel- Ue* Sec M. Bifhop now like a Protcftant the church of F Rome 54 T^^ AnftPertoV. Blfh^ps Romefpakein thole dales, Would you not thinkethat Lucher, or Caluin, or Bcza were the authour of thofc wordes? How highly doc you regard cliefe argumcncs from vs which the church of Home fouretecne hundred yeeres agoc vfed to the very ramcpurpofc that wee nowe doe? But the church ofRome hath learned nowe to fing another long rfhe condcinncd the herefieof Montanus »e:»9» ex/^y?/- thenjbutnowfhcemamcainethit, I auouchit, M. Bi- disfeiexoffi- ihop,that concerning taftiug, neither you nor all your fello wes are able to acquit the church of Rome that now is of the herefic of Montanus. The Montanilles appointed "certaine and ftanding daies for fafting and forbearing of cercaine meates ;lb doc the Papiftes. The Montaniftes did not take any crca.turc or mcate to be ^ vn- eleanejbut did only by way "■ of deuotion as they preten- simenda & de-^ ded forbears at certaine times : and the Papifts alfo doe the f/iciend* Optra faiBc. The Montaniftes being vrged with the place ofl Saint Paule to rimothy,ofthcm that ccntmattndto abfiaine fiomme^tesi anfwered that that place touched Marcion and Tatianus & fuch other wlio condemned the creatures aseuiland. vncleane, not them who did not rcie6l the creatures^ but onely forbcarc the vfe of them at fomtimes: ' the lame anfwere giue the Papiltes, The Montaniftes tooketheir very fadings to. be a ^ leruicc and worlTiip of God : fo doc the ' Papiftes, The Montaniftes thought -that their fafting did ** merit at Gods hands . : thatit was a shm.in.hono- fatigta^onfor finjan cxpiationoflinne I that emptineile '^TelUrTebon o^^elly did much auailc wuh God, and made God to «ptrjn^artx.i dwcll with man : the fame effects doe the Papifts teach Ub.z.ca.8, * oftheirfuperftitiousfaftes. Lookewliat arguments the d Tertuiibid. Papiftes vfe for their faftings , the very fame Tertullian i»<, Bii/« cjuelhvitii the Papillcs , astliat "^ Faultus a BiOiop offacra,tom.i.^ Frauncc at that time a maintaincr thereof , isbyfome of""'"^"^*^'*- them recorded for a Saint, and Iiis bocke wJiich he hath *'',"."' ''¥'''^'f* wnttcn in behalfethcreor IS called ' ^pas tnfigne.a notable, \h]dtom^. w'f^r/^f : and by other ^ Tome the doctrine oi S« Auftin a-f ofor.de iitfii* gainlt the Pelagians concernmg predeftmation is cppug-^"*./'^.?* ned, whichof old was acknowledged by the church of Rome to be the Catholickc doiflrinc ofthc churcii. 1 omit many other matters that might hccrc bee added perfwadingmyfelte that Ihaaclayde enough to trouble M. Bifhop in the prooumgot that that he hath propoun- dcdythzttheprmcipa// pil/i'.rs of the ch.rch of Rome in her 9f}ofifloriJhmgtfiate,taughtmall points of re/igiort the p.me doBrine that [he now holdcth and teacheth,(^c.Only for con- clufion let me ask him what bifhop of Rome tliere was for the fpacc of a thoufand yecres after Chrift thatpra6lifed or taught that concerning pardons, which is nowe pra<5lifed and taught in the church of Rome: that the Bifhop of Rome hath any authoritic togiue liich libels of Pardon, or that it is in him togiue ('acuities and authority to o> thers togrant the like with refirruation of fpeciall cafes to himfelfe ? or that hcc can for faying luch or f uch prayers, or for doing this or that releafe a man from Purgatory for fomany hundred or thoufand yecres jf What bifliop of Rome was there that did proclaime a Jubilee with pro- mife that all that would come to Rome to vifite the chur- ches that yeere Oiouldc hauefull and perfe^^fcrgiuenefTe of all their finnes Z' or that did charge the Angels as did 'Clement the fixt, thatwhofocuerlhoulddic jnliisiour-, „ , . . ney thitherward, they fhould bring his foule into the glo- „.*. 5/ he of Paradife > which of them did take vpon him the au thoiitietobeCanonizerofSaints; who ciicr belceucd or taught as it isnowcreceiuedin the church of Rome , that r 0 ii a A >J E ? the 58 fheAi/wertoD.^i/hops « Stfct prtam '^^ " i>f(j^^^ I^Uftifps the forgiuenefTe of veiiiall Cmnts inrhijk * Other innowauons 1 will pafle ouer to further occafion J i^jtm ^nnot, but Concerning thefc matters in this place , I would pray in Math.io-ix. ^. Billiop to Ict vs bc fatisficd how the principal pillars fo the Church of Rome haue in all pints taught the lame that , ,. , the church of Rome teacheth now« The truth is^that as the \ih,ixtit^xj' name of * Th e feus his fjiffe continued a long time when asit was fo altered by putting in ot new planks & boords as that it had noticing left of that that was in it when it was firft builded by ihefeus : fo the church of Rome ftill conti- nueth her name,and would be taken to bc the fame, albeit by chopping and changing fliee is come to that paile, that ihcc hath in a manner nothing left ofthatdc6ifine for which file was fii-ft called the church of%ome^ But M. Bi- (hop taketh vpon him to prouc the contrarie ; let vs now examine what his proofes are. 5* W. B I s H o p. Todemonfiratevntojcur Mdiefiicy that vpencrvhelAin nil points ithe very fame do^irme^fvhich the moji apfroued an^ cient VoBors and holy Fathers held ar.d delivered '.Becaufe it is too long for an Eftjile^ 1 refer ue it tothebooke itfelfe^ for the points it handleth J and rvillhere hriefy note out cf it feme fuch oldrefrooued errors, that the Trottflants dcereuiue^e'- ceiue^andamroe^ as the veryfinnewes of their GoJpdl.M^ttin Luther the ring-leader of the ncwprttedtd reformatio^ lateth for the greuud-ypcrke of his Re/igion. That man is iuftificd by oncly faith : andin this he is applaf^dcd and followed of ail ^H'defidt (^ Trotefiants : and yet as tefiiHith theme fi found Tvttneffecf an- /<^«///r, S.Auguftine,//;^ronlyraithis lumcicnt to lal- uation, was an error fprong vp in the ^Afofiles daies : againfi »hich the Catholuke Epiftles cfS . Peter, and S . lames, and iap.z: ^* lohn,were principally dire^edf^^nd the author of that er^ rwrpas that infamous fcrcerer Simon Maaus, as the ble^ed Martyrlxmt,\xi bathrecerdsdinhisfirflhokeagainft hen* feu Epiftletothef^in^, jp R. Ab B OT. yiBiihopsorooiesi\vcdemoy}ftratioy!s at the Icaft, and thofc* are relcrued to his booke. We muft thinke that he Y,oi\\d notvn^cvlhtn^mQcUe fmnftratto^s haue tende- red them to his Maiefty but that they are very forcible andltrone. Bntii his V oft eriofirsh^d had their due when timewas,he would haue learned A riilotlcs l^oftermrsihc better and then we Ihould haue had becter demonftratt- ons then liee hath fent vs^This great talkc of vrge-^t artdfor- ctblerearons?.nU.monflrations maketh me to remember what once M. PhiIpotmart)'redinthetime of Quecnc Mariein ercatheatoHpiritanlweredtoD.Chadfey: A-* jEis^ni foreGod^^v:hh.,rcarebarearfedm.ll^yonrreU^^^^^^^ M.BiOiopamidrt all your reafom and demonftrattons yo^^r^-pj^-^ lie open to the whippcjit is an eafie matter to fcourge you; there is nothing in them but vncertamty and vntruth. But what your demonftrations arc wec|lhall here (ec by the forerunners of them:for here you will ^ou out of pur book£ fomeold revrooued errors which the Vrotcftants doe reviue & auowasthe very finnrwes of their gofpelL Goe on, M.Bl- {hopilctvsheercwhatitisthat youhaueto faie. Martm Luther the rmleader of the newpretendtdreformatwyj. You miftakeattheveryfiift, M.Bifliop: Clmll was the ring. ^ leader • the followers were his ApolUes : Luther was onely the man or rather one ofthe men by whom God didad- uertife vs what Chrift and his Apoftles had faid and done Wee looked into the GofpeU and into the writings ofthe Apoftles, and wee found it to bee true which they laid, & therefore did embrace ir. Wee neither bclceued Luther Bor anv other more then we wiUbeleeue you, M.Bilhop, if vee ihew vs the fame authority that Lutlier did.It is noc therefore a pretended reformation which wee haue recci- uedbuta reformation indeed, whereby our church hath becnepuraedand cicnfcdfrom thqfe idolatries, and ab- ' ^ homiuaitons 28. expUcAtion of cerraitts vrnids QrC. in the end. ^ Hisren^iidn, VtlazMb.z. S In, I Cor. C.I '' BafiLhom.de hunitUt. animi. ''Chtyfsp.in. i^pm hont.j. ^Luthtrinef. 40 Tl?e ^?i/%er to D. Stpops hominations which by the vfurpation and tyranny of An- tichrill had bee ne brought into it> But what is it where- with M.BiHiop is fo oftcnded towards Lutiier: fotlootii hff fated for thecround cj his religion th:t man is it^fttficd by onhfaiti:, 1 Ins was Luthers herefic, and yet tins was of old the doCtrincofthe church of Rome, that'' a man is in- Jiifiidgratis^that is/frecljyforgcdamercyJorncthtKg^ and that by t heg race cfGod through faith without the rvorks of the law. Whereupon S. Hieromc a member of the church of Rome faith that ^ the tApofile mamfcfilypjeweth that iuflice or righteoupjejfe ccvfifieth not in wans merits but in the grace of God who -wit hem the "works of the Lvw receiueth the faith of thcmth^t beleeue. Or if that be not plaine enough, Am- brofe will make it more plaine : ' Treely bccaufe by faith only they are ififiificdby the gift of God. A nd again e ; ^fVithatit labour or any obftruation we are iuf}ifiedi» thefght of God by , onlv faith. Andigzinc : '^ He that belecuethin chrifle, doth freely by faith onclyreceitieforgiueneffe offmnesfo faith Ba- iil : "* ^ man is to knowe himfelfe voideoftrue righteon^fr.cffe, ■ c^ that he is iujiified by only faith in lefus Chri/l,So Chry fo- ftomc' He hath v^Jitfiedvs : vfirg no workes thereto but re- ei'Airingfaith only . Letthefeferuc in ftccde of many places andauthours that might bealleaged : for by thcfe it may appearcthatin the auncient church it was taken for no er- rourtofaythata manis iuftifiedby faith only. Yea but S. x-duftin the mof found witneffe of antiquitic tejlifisth that it was an errourjfroKg vp in the Apffiles dateSy that only faith is fuffcient tofaluationj But what is that to Luther or to vs J 'BoTwezifirmcthsitfaithonly is fiifficient to iujiification not thit faith onlyfufpceth to faluatien : yea Luther himfelfe vp- onthccpiftlctothe Galathians hauingin thefoure firft chapters at large difcourfed that faith only auailetii to iu- ftification,yetvpon the fifth chapter detcrmincth that faith only is not fnff dent tofaluation^ Albeit to auoid am- X' y It muft be vndcrftoodc that faluation is (bmtimes for the bcginniog of that bcnefite of God^ as where il Epi/lle to the IQ?ig. a i it is faid oiZachcMs : ' this day falaation is come to this houfcy ' lue. ip.jj. and ofthe woman that waibcd Clniltes fectc/' thy faith "^«f-7.fo hnthjauedthee. Sometimes it is taken for the pertcdion and accomplilhment thereof, as where it is faydCy^'Teare kept bjfuith vntofai/Atiorvhich ispreparedto befjevcfdinthe '' '*' *' ^' UJi time. Saluat ion the firll way is all one in effe6l witli lu- ilification, andinthatfenfeitistruethatfaith onely fuffi' ceth tofaluation* But vnderftande it as vfually and com- monly we doe for the full accompliflimcnt of laluation in the lite to come, and then faith onely fufficeth not to fal- uation, butoutoffaithbythe regeneration of the fpirit iflueth lanftification and ihsi" ho/mrjfe withof^t which, as „ „ , iht h^o\i\Q(d\thinomanpjallfeethe Lord. Thcjcingdome ' * * ^' ofGod is an pyndefiled inheritance, hewillnotbnngin- p i,vtt,i.A. to if^ forntCAtorSy adulterers^ drunh^rdsy coHctous perfbnsy ^ i.Cor.6.p. ^c. ' nothinnthattsfi'thy or 'vncleane [hall enter there. And ' -^^ocxuc^xj theretore whom Godlaueth,/;*' calieth with a^ holy cal- l tig: he '^powrethvfenihem the clear' e waters ( of his /pirit) , ^•^''"•'•9' that they may bee clea*te , " heegiueth them a new heart a^d <^yerff i6. puttetb a new/pirit within them^ and ^ caufeth them to walke " ytrf.n* inhis/latuteSy andk^epe his tudgements, and thus ^ma^eth ^ Col.i.iz. them me(te to be partakers of the inheritance of the Santes in '' ^'"'»f<"^<»/ light. Our churches therefore vniuedally doe determine ^^^^"'^ *^' that not onely faith to iuftification, but ^^Ifo ' repentance , ^^^ ^ from dead workes^^ newnejfe of life y'' the putttngojfoftheolde t Rom. 6. 4 man and putting on the new the performance ol tiiofe '^good " Efle.n: 2 1.* workes nhtch G od bath prepared for vs to walke in are necef^ ^f'"' * ' ^ °* farie to fai nation, not as the caule or merit of faluation,- but as a part of that worke ofGod whereby hce hath ap- pointed to bring vs to that faluation whidi he oFhis owne mercy doth bellow vpon vs. Whereas therefore tiie aun- cient church condemned them that out of thcApo- ftlcswordes oi Uijltfication ly faith wtthom workfs did gather that, 'fo long as they beleeued in Chrfi^ albeit tlcy dtd ' -^^^6^' ^ J' euill^andii'/.el wickedly and lewdly, yet by f^'th onely they TfJ^'^ mi^t bcfaued: we doe the fame tiiat the auncient church, r^^ 1 4, G did Az The^nJwertoD.'Bip?ops did, and out of the fame Epiftles of Peter, lames and lolin, principally as S, Aullm faith written againll fuch ^as alfo out ot all tiie reft of holy Scripture wee preach againft that defperate and deuillilh fancie, ney ther doth any pare of our do6lrine, truely vnderftood, giue patronage ar al- lowance to any fuch men. Now therefore M. Bilhop, wc fee as touching this firft article of your proofes, that there wasnofaultinM-Luthersdoftrine, but the default was in the weaknelTe of your head, that could not rigliily vn- derftand the fame. Albeit I will not imagine your weake- ncfle to be fuch as that you vnderftand vs not in tliis be- halfe, but rather thinkc that malicioully and wilfully you renueyouroldllaunders, which to your iuft confuJion haue beene anfwered and rcpuUed a thoufand tiines^ W. Bishop. .„ . tAn other prirtcipaUpiller of Fryer Lnthtxsreiigion con^ hifi.'calTi 7^S,M^^^^ '^ denialloffrce will: wherein hee mmpsth with the old KitT.pgf.uh! rottenherctihe'^zxiti^ of whom the Mahicheans were na- fofl^i med,. R. Ab B OT. It is ftrange thatyou fliould vfe the name cHYrjer Co fcornefuliy, M. Billiop,beingabitdeof the Popes hatch- ing, your moft holy father, and knowing that Lutlier was a frier with you onely, but with vs no Frier. But I fie yourftomacketowardes your Frier lefuites is not appea- iedi and you doe but take the occafion of L uchcrs name to giue them fome alperfion of reproch As for t!,e matter of your obie6lion, itputteth me in minde of a prety peece of folly 3c ignorance ihewed by Frier Campian in the very famematter,vvho challenging our church for tlie denial of free W/ oppofeth Auftin againft vs,and asketh how we can like of him ? and why *fcripjtt de bbero arbt:rio Itlros tres : *'Camp.rat,$i forCooth he wrote three books^ concerning free will. He had read the title of thofc bookcs, but knew not the contents thereof Epijlle to the t\ing: aJ thereof, and as tlic foole that thinketli euery hor fe that Iiec fcetli to be his mailers horfc, fo finding there the name of free wi/ihe dreamed that it was the Czmcfree wi//that his Malter the Pope had recommended to his defence , You aie cuen vp and downc the fame man : you iiaue heard th.1t the Manichees denied ^^^w/Zand in your ignorance you imagine that that muft necdes touch vs who hkewife uandindenialIof/;'<'y it furced and compelled to doe all euiU. Sothatlinne, they fayed, came not in at firll by mans will, but by condition of crea^ tion, and that it was a part of the very fublbnce ot man by tiiat predominating part that is in him of the nati ♦ onofdarknefle, Andlonowwhatfoeuer finnehee com- mutethjitisnotbyanyfrec power or difpofition of his owne will, but it is his very eflence and fubiiance and part ofJiis created being. By reafon whereof they taugiit that ^ tliat which is euill in man is not capable of any alteration, neithercan ofcuillbee madegood, but the part ofthe good God receiuingenlargementjthe reltasaleueraland di(lin6lfubftanceremaineth perpetually euiU, and by the verieeirenceandbeingofit neceflarily abidethtliat that is . Now of this blafphemous fancie , they made excufe for themfclueSjwhcn tliey committed any villanie or wicked- ' -f «5«=y?« '« nefle : ' N^^ ego peccant fed gens tens brarum ; It is not I th^t hauejinnedy hittthenationofdarkene^e'.whatfoeHerJtnyiewe are /ay de to doe, it is the nation of darl^cnejfe that doth tt. This was the Mar.icheesdeniall oi free will, and can any manvnderftandingtliis, butwoondcr ntthebralen face of this impudent Sophiiler that duril offer it to the kings moft excellent Maieftie, tliat Luther and we in thedeniall Q\free voillydoe mtnpe with the herejie ofthe Manichees ? The truth Epl/lle to the I\m^. 4j truth is. M.Bifhop, that a very great Icapc will not fet you i'o farre trom the herefie of the Pelagians, as we with- out a lumpe , thankes be to God, are irom the hcrefie of the Manithccs. Againil this herefie of the Manichces, the Cathohcke church determined by the word of God, as wee doe, that God in the beginning created man nghceous and luft in allintegriticand perte^lion ot innoccncie according to ** the image and Itkenes of God bimfelfe ithox he leftlnminj the hand ot his owne counlell, and in the power of his ^''*'' '^'^' owm/reeivf^y ' that lo the imnge of God might thee j-^^j ^^^^ more clcerely Hiinc m him, in tliat albeit hee could ^4rc;o« h^.i: not by condition of nature which hee was to receiueof God, yet he might by ele6lion-of will wherein he was left to himlelfe be altera lort good of himlelfe, and hauing the Lordlliip and rule oFall other things committed vnto him he might hereby fii il" fliew Iiimfelfe lord and ruler of him- lelfe . They fhewed that man beingthus left to himfelfc and to his ownefree tvHI did voluntarily and by his owne ftee m// fall away from God by barkening to the fuggeili- ons of the wily ferpent, and heercby diuefted himfclfe of all tiie glory and happineile whereto God hadenftallcd him in his creation. This they teach to haue beenetiic o- riginall and beginning oFmans finne, whereby he dcftroi- eci his ownefne wili^ and ' liy applying it volmtartly to that^ ^ng Hypept . that was eftill) loft the power of applyingit to that that is good : ''^' j. io that now ^^free will being captif^e to/inne auailcthto nothing ^ ^""'^ ^ 'f''^' h-t onely to ctll. Therefore as by free will was the bcgm- ' "'^' ^ ^''' ning ot finnc, (o they hold that mfree -wtllis alio the con- tinuance thereof, bccaufc man though ot himlelfe he doe nothing but finne, yet finneih not by anie intbrcement cr con.puifion, but ot his owne accord , of his! owne free and voluntary diipcfition, hauing fo corrupted hirrileltc as ^ ■■''''pP- ''* that hee hath no will to will any thing elfe but that that is '^'''''''';(^''^" enill. Which corruption notwithftanding hath not fode-)J,^,/p^ J, ] Itroy ed nature but that it hath left therein, "* po([e habere fi- hb % .. 46 The anfa^er to ©. Sip?ops demy fojfe habere charitatem : a capacity off atth , a capactty oflofte and all other vertue and goodnell'e whereto it was firft created. Which capacitie and poflibility ofnaturc whiielt they declare againit the Manichees, they ipeakc indeedefometimes (omewhat obfcurely cifrcevctll, but as in the Catholike church where they prefumed they fhould '^Am. 1. 1 7 . ^'^^ ^^ vnderftoode but according to the rule of faith that ' allgoodneffeisofGod, andthacto^beleeuc and to will k vhil. 1.19, that that is good proceedeth only from his gift, and thpre- &.^-'^i' fore tliat whatfoeuer they faid concerning free wil to righ- I Cont.i^epifi^ teoufneire fliould be conceiued of wil not free ofttfelfe but Tela^.l. ^.c.7, made free by the grace of God : whatfoeuer they faid of na- tures poflibilitie to faith and Ioue,y et " to hane faith and to ^De^rxdcp* ^4^^/ow fhouId bcc conccjuedtobee heworke oi grace ^ ja .caf.s- And becaufetiiey acknowledged the corruption of na- ture by originalliinne, they thought no man w6uld va- derftandethem but by this -ruh^" who is ab/to chaunge '^^fn^r-'p''^^' nature, but hee that firfi created nature \ becaufe they prayed to God forinfidcls and vnbeleeuers that they ''.4ti'rufi, de might repent and bee conuerted vnto God, ° they thought fradesffatiil^ DO man would concciuc but that to repent and turne to cap. J 4. God did arilc from the grace and gift of God, There p .,., were ''none yet fprungvp that did openly oppugne the grace of God, and therefore they fpake llie more fccurely, and bent themfelues maincly to tl]e conuincing of thole heretickcsagainllwhometheylpake. But wl.en pelagius the heretickearofe and began to affirm e and teach that man hath of himfelfe and m his owne nature afree wiil to that that is good, that he hath in himfdfe a freedomeof willtoconfentto the Gofpell and callingof God, tl^ fame church that before refifted the Manichees, refilled him alio, and hauing affirmed againltthem that freewtll was the beginning of finne, and that by free mil man flill iCont,epiU. committeth finne denied againfl him that mans will is Tela^J. i-cA. 8. qy^^^ ^^ touching righteoufnes or in that that is goody vntillhee ^vmlap^i. ^^ wadefree byhtmthat hath faid: Jfthefonne(haU-makeyou jrce Eftflle to the IQng, aj free^ theft are ye/ree indeed, Novve by reafon of this herefic tlicfathers thcncefoorth began to fpeake luore warilic, and Ibmewliat to abbridge and correct that libcrtic which either they the mfelucs or their forefathers liadvfed be- fore. Whereof we haue very notable and pregnant exam- ple in S, Aurtcn hinifclfe,vvJio before the arifing of the pe- lagians doubted not to lay, ' Bjrfiiceicpe are iomnjanded" Dedu^h.anU and by nature vpe haue ^owertototiefpiritPiallthmgs. But at- "^-^^'^ont.Ma. terwardsconfidenng of thofe words,! jce Cmh,' Jtmajbee J"'^''-'''** ^?- ask^d, why I faydeyi^y nature ire haue power y er to ©. ^tjhops the declarations of them to whome God gaue occafion by theherefieofthe Pelagians fuither to enquire andlearch the verity of that point. Albek in the handling ofthatque- ftion it fhalbefhewed, God willing, thatthey themfelues haue fufficiently freed themfelues fro that which tlie Pa- pifts fo much labour to hang vpon them, But as touching the tellimonies of the fathers which he Jleageth here they nothing hurt vs. Socrates reportcth it for tneManichees herefie to deny free will. We fay it was fo, and that it was Pelagius his herefie to afErme it : we difclaime them both. Hierome in his preface of his bookes againft the Pelagi- ans alleageth that it was the dotage of the Manicheesto take away free will,and in the books them{elues difputeth , againft free will in that meaning wherein wee deny It fay- VeU^Mh^i. "^g lh2iX.tlnstsmans greatejt righteoajnejls to thinkethat rvhatfoeur vertuehe hath, it isnst his owne htit the Lords that » Lih.z.'. hathgiHen it \ * thut all the good we do is CJodi'.and by occafi - * ier.14.6.7, on ot the words of the Lord by the Prophet leremy,'' /will plant themthat they m^y not he rooted out &1 will ^ine them a ' ^"'°''' • hart to k>tow ms : ' 7/(aith hee. minde and thought beegiuen of God y and the vndcrji binding of the Lord grow from the roote of htm th^t is to bee k*towyie^ where is then that/o proud vanntingoffree will? As for S. Auftm no man hath troden the path for vs fo plainely and fully as he hath done. He condemned the Manichees '. lb doc wee. He condemned *■ ^u^ »» loan, the Pelagians and in the Pelagians condemned the Pa- ^J^'' n^'j r piftcs:andfodoewe. He faith, and out of him the Arau- 2.c4/». 1 1. licane Coumell faith : ^Kon:anhatioo^his owne but ondyto ^ ^Kgiift.ihid, lyeandto finne*^wh4tisamanbyth.it that is hi s owne ^ but tra&.^p. whatheisbyhisowne/in? As tor free mW it read'ly run- Depra ef . ^cfhandfioweth tOKOughtinejfe, hvX'freewilltoloHoCjodwe i EfJifi.Aoj' lojibjthegreatnej[eof\Adams finney^who abufmg his free •• Emhir.ca,io. will Icfl both himfelfe and it al/o'. lothat now ^' men labour, » Depeccat. fgdthhc, to finde fnoHrwill/ome good that isour oivne which we mer. &-remif f^^^^ ^^^ ofGodlbfit how to fade tt^ I knorp not. No more doe '* "^'^ * wejf M^BilTiopcanfind It let him vycareittbut whether he can Epiflle to the IQng, 49 can or not wc fhall findc when we come to the handling of thatqucftion. Inthe meanc time let him know that this obie6Uon of liis is but the olde rotten cauill of the Pelagi- an hcretickesagainft the Godly Bifliops andpaftoursof i^.^^^^^^^^^ Cliriftes church,w horn for denying xhavfyee nilhhty ^ re- Ttia^j,t,c, x ] pnched with the name ofmamches and faid that they them- Celucs maintained the Catholickefatthagaijijitheprofamnes tftheMamches.lo whom S.Aultin aniwered as wc nowe ^ ^n{\Ncrh\TXi'^ The Mtintches deny that to man heifjg made I^id*caf,z* good the hcginnirgtfefiillrfashyfreemil. Thefelagtansfny^ that tnan betng m w emllhathfree willfpi^ciemly to keepe the comandemeKt that is good,Thecatholicke church reprooueth them btthifayingto the cne^Qodmade man it^Ji, and to the other, if the Somie pi all make you free then are yee free indeed This/rtff'^cw!?^ wc teachashedoth,as heercafterlhallap- ^ peare, ^ 7, W. BisH OP. » One Produs an errodoHs Origcnift taught thatjinne ypas ^/">^ htr,6^ not tal^en arpay in Baptifmejbut onelj coutredas is recorded ""'"" bythat holy m'in and anmient Father E^v^hi^n\\xsj!A,V'EK'-' ^^' ^' Kl'NS(tn the name of the church ofEngladjaffirmcth tnltke manner fthe urigwallfthne remainethfiillj and raigneth in the , j regenerate ^albeit it ts not impute dvnto them* R. Abbo T. < Hcere M» Biflxop vnwarcs hath flieathed a fword in his ownc fideSjCiting vnder the name of Proclus the herc- iticke the wordtsot Me ihodus a Cathohcke and godly bil'hop againlt the hcrcfie ot Proclus and his matter Ori- ' gen : Hee faw in Epiphanius, fec^nuntur nunc "Prodi verba, Heerc follow now ihe wordes of Proclus, ziid his lips hang- ^ ing m his lightjhe could not lee but that all the difcourfc "\ following was the wordes of Proclus: whereas the words of Proclus are but a few lines in the beginning and then H followcth JO Tl?e u^nfwer to V.'B'tfhops followcth by Methodius a large refutation thereof. Now M.Bifhop chough againit his will ackno vvledgeth that the author of thofe words^hovvfoeuer hee miftooke him, did teach the very felfe fame chat M, Perkins and the church ofEngland doth concerning finne remaining after bap- tifmc,as indcedc hec doth. It followeth therefore by M» Bifliops owne acknowledgement againft his will that the dodrineot the church ot England by the teftinionie of Methodius bifhop of Tyrus, approoucd alfb by Epipha^ nius, is the auncient doctrine of the Catholicke cliuich and that the dodrine of the church of Rome which M» Billiop defendeth is neWjhercticali and f alfe. Now for fa* tisfaOiionoftheRcader, icistobe obferuedthat Proclus accordingtothedo6trine of Origendid teach that the foule had a being before the body, and being firft crea- ted did (inne,and for the finne that it did was put into the body as into a prifon, and tliac this is to be vnderltood in »G«nj.tx* that It is faide after mans fall chat God made them 'gar- ments of skinnes, that is, faidchey, hee made chembo* dies. Therefore hee held chdC this body being die prifon of thefoulefubie6lcpfinn and corrupcion, andferuingbut for the vfcs of chis life is not chac body wherewith we fhail rife againe, but chat it fhall be another of more diuine fub- * e.-fti, A A ftanccja more excellens and Ipirituall body. To this ^ Me- thodius anfwcretli and Hieweth by the Scripture that man confift-ed of body and foule before his fall, and that the body was compartner with the Ibulc in finne;that the bo- die cannot be (aide to be the prifon of the foule for a pri- fon is a place of relf raint,buc the bodie is not to the foule any reftraint,buc rather die inftiument and helper thereof ftifinne:thsrcforethatthcfo^/-£'j cf skinnes cou\fl not im- portthc making of bodies, but did rather import the clo- thing of the body with mortalirie anddeath,andd)atfor that caufb God did cart man out of Paradile diat he might die» The end whereof in part fliould be, that in death the , euilUn^l finne whicliman had wrought in himfdfe migiic ethinawall,faithl.e,chcrprcadingof the roots tHcreof being taken a funder, and the tree being puUcd out, the ^^.alhs of thelaiiie ftones repaired and made new agame. cuenrofinnehauingfpreaditrooteslargely mman, by d.nolmionofdeathisairodiflolued, and the body ciien ot the famepaits is raifed vp againe immortaU,finnc being whollyc-ndvtterlydeftroicd : Then follow the wordes which M-BiOiopintcndeth. Fcrfohr.gas the hodjlmeth a.d vntmt die, pnr>e m^fi needes Hue mthali ^rn^^'ar^lyh-' dwg m vs the rootes oftt^dbeit outrfardlyhj the checks of cha fi^Le.ts .ndadmcmttcns tt be brtdled & refratmd. Otherj mfe it y,ouldmtfdlom that after our tllummatto rPeJhoHid dovn^uJiljfffmewere-^holljandcUarely t^k^n fromvs. Butr.,i ifter that we bdceue ,andarc haptjed,y,e are often ioundinfwncs.Wh.r4orecertdneitis,thatfmneumM^ dcr^on^MdU^cdafitepbJf^ith,thaUtfmynotbr^>^gforth nctfcmefruites, b.t tt ts r.ctpfdvf bj theroctcs^udmw JcedLholdbacl^oHretimou^ktsardl.ftsastheffrouts thereof,thatnobitterrootffrn^g^ngvfmajty^fieivs,notftiffc^ ri,fthebudsthat^rec/ojcdvpwithmtobeopemd,tocomet<, a,nrcy^th,**'flr^atonofdcarineHenasabMher.v:g&^^^^^ ti^latthedeefefrt^girgrootuBs.tthentheveryth^^^^ jMneslhdbedone.r.ay,^ndtofaythetrmh,tk^^^^^^ r,lethnott.ftmonieoftheScnftHre:fortheafcBleack!or, led2,ethtbattherootoffmisnotwholytakinfromme,,f^^^^^^ ll^.r,that,>.r^eM's,mmyfleJhdwfth.^^^^^^ tomhsprefer4wnhme,butnottcdothatghod:ForIdonot th^.aocdthatIwoddbtatheemlIthatIwoddr.ctth^^^ Koi ,fldoeth.tl y^wHldnct.tt ts notlth.tdoeU b.tfmc thatdmllethmmeddehghtthenintheLiwofGodastouchj ^m the vmerrmnM ^ fee ^'.mthcr law mmymer^^bcrs rebel-- lLaz-i.fltheLwofn^mtr.de,andhcidirgmccafnue^^^ the law ohnne which is tn my mcmbersScfarre rs feme from Mgr^Lftdvttcr.yrcctedcfttforitf^^ctyctfutedead ji Tl?e yftfper to ©. 'Bijhops hut liueth&Ct Thus Methodius plainely affirmeth , that finnc is not wholly taken away in baptilmc ; that it is kept in, and the fproutes andweedes tliereof are ftill nipped and checked , but yet the roote ftill reinaineth hidden wichm, andchatitdyechnpttillwedie , and proueth it by the fame vvordes of the Apoftle which wee alleadgc to the fame purpofe. Now where were M«Baliops wits that could thinke tiiat thcfe words were the words of Proclus ? Surely he read the place very earely in the morning be- fore he had his full lleepe , or late after fupper when hee fhouldhaue bccneinbedde, or clfe hee borrowed them from fomeofhismaifters the lefuites, who make as httle coniciencc what they (ay as he doth. We mull be content with fucli llufte as he can y celd vs : the broker can offer na other wares then hee himfelfeliath recciucd of the mer- chant- Yet we are beholding to him jthat if we had wan- ted teftimonic of antiquitie to prcoue thatfinnc remai- neth after baptifme , as God willing he (ball Ice hereafter wc doe not, bee would doe vs the pleafurc to furnilh vs J L***l '^ * **^' therewith ' Tloat isa true froofe andwithout contradi^tmy faieth IreneuSjW^/c/? brifjgeth tokens for the tefitfying of tt from the very adnerfartes themfclnes3^^'^^ wil not tliankc himforitjbecaufehis purpofe was toabufc and decciuc his Reader jand by the name of an hereticke to traduce that which was indeed the profeffed do^lrinc of the church. Now he was very loth that one lie fhould goehccrc alone without a fellow,' and therefore to make vp the paire,he faith that M. Perkins in the name of the dmrch of England affirmeth, that originall flme remaincth Ibll andraigncthinthe regenerate, whereas M, Perkins and the church ofEngland affirme onely the remaimig^ and not the raigning cf fin in the regenerate, according to that that the wordes of Methodius haue before defcribed. So i-par.-^j- 'M.Fcrkins^\!dn\y i2lth^ that that very poTv.r erftre^gtb Tvher e by finneraigneth in man^^ taken away in the regene^ r^fr^-jand in the ^c quoted by M, Bilhop affirmeth no- thmg Epijlle to the i\uig, j j thing to the contraric . VVcc take for our direction the wordes ot the Apoftle, ' Letnotfinne raigne mjour mortall • Po^^. \ z. bodj. Whereupon S.Auftm faith, ^ He c faith not ^ let not^ jiugufi.in finnc bsy bnt let notfinne raigne in your mortall body^ Jo loner I'tn.tra^l.^i asibmlittefijt/me mtift necdes bee in thy members '. let the raigmng thereof yet bee tcken nway : doe not what tt biddeth thee.Thns M. Buhop euery way confoundeth Jiuiifelfe,& can fin Je no place where to (land fure. 8, W. B 1 s H o p, \o\nn\2inwas accounted a morfier by %,kus\i({^mc for de- ^ fnding honeft marruige to be of-cejaallvertue^ G^ ment vptth c. z z.& /;«r."8 1 ihaf ytrginity.andfat'.h further that this herejie rvasfo fot~ Ter/qns. tijh andfte/h/y.that it could not deceiue any one learned priefi ^"Z-^^i * but only feme ft rvfmple andcarnallvoomen.lfet this^our Eng- Upj ch.impion blujhethnot to aff,rme that mariage is not onelj ecjually but better alfo in diuerfe rejpe^s then Virginitie, , -^ The fame oldreprobate heretic\^barkedalfo (?gainfl appro . * uedfeafis andfafimg dales, fo do mofi of our Mtrnflers at this timet R. Abbot. Hitherto M. Bifhop hatli fought with ftickes and ftravveSjbutnowhebeginncthtotallfomwhathandfome- ly to his weapon, fhenameof Aurtin carieth with it fomc preiudice, andlomemcn happily may be lonievv hat moo- ucd therewith in this matter,butyet we mufl confider that this note was long fince giuenof hinijand lie by his bookes otRetra6tations hath confirmed it: ' WhiUflhee fpahe cf^Gehnad.ca^ many matters it befellhtm which the holjghofifai'h by Salo- '"^ '^W^- y>rcr*. man : In muchfpeech a man cannot efcapefome fault, A^\Ti^ iti s here to be remembred that the queftion is not here of S.Auftins opinion, but of the Do6lnne of tlic church of Rome. And albeit S. Auftin doc fay that the fame church b j^utuf. j{t. ofRsuncdid^mt^hti/yreJifi louinian, yet how the matter t'-d(7,//.z.f,ii. H I went I 54 The JhJ%ey to D. ^iJJ?ops went vvc fliall better Vnderftand by S. Hicromc, who be- ing then a member of the churcii or Rome was a principall = EraCJnarru-^S^^^^^ fciiatcaufe. * Erafmus obferueth truelythatiiu- mentMb.adu, ftm chargeth louinian with fome errours whereof Hie- lottinUn.apstd. romc maketh nomention^who would net haue pafied by H,tr9n. them iflouinian had taught them, whereby it afpeareth ashecoIIe6lcthj that Auttin had neyther read ivuinsms l^ooks mr Hieromcs bockes agai:^J} Ismnian^bi. t only hy peoples rumours ^ udke had learned that that he knetv concermnglo^ utnian, and therefore he miift ncedes bee the lefie able to iudge or report concerning him, Moreouer it is not to be omitted tiiat Epiphanins in his catalogue of hcretickes hath not reckoned louinian amongft them though huing atthenimetime. He maketh mention of fome nor ashe- <* Hfiph.h^. 6i . retickes but as being'^w orofthex:hurchpn\y termerh them -^/o,. ohu too remijfe and/oft^ who dtdferjrvade women to giue ouer (^ to retell the accomplijhi^g or coKtinuwg of that courje ofperfe- ^.'on,a.s it was called-in virginirie and fingle lite* Whcrcb v certaine it is that this imputation of Iiercfie waslaied vp- on louinian by the priuate opinion of (ome, and not by the vniuerfalliudgement of the church. AsforS. Auftin to yeeld him his due he hath euery where fpoken holily & reuerently concerning mariagc,as it became him to doe of the facred ordinance and inftitution of almightie God : neither doth hee by commendation of virginitie breakc foorthinto thofe rude and vndecentfpeeches thereof, as Hierome and fome other haue done : and indeede as touching the very ftate of manage and virginitie there is little or no difference betwixt him and vs. We acknow- ledge the gift of virginitie and continencie to be an excel-i lent giftjbut yet a gift of externall preeminence with men, not a gift of internall and fpirituall righteoufnefletowards *.^«5'.A«j«;>.QQj.ofthofc good p(ts' vndefacia J hene^ non^ffa te f jj^ \,tcccit f<^^^'^^^ bonum^ whence thou maiefi doe goody not which them- mtr.t^Syrtmlff, y?/«^-^<^ wages according ■ tohiiworkc. So therefore if virginitie exceed mariage in " * *"^*^* ' duetic and feruice vnto God,it fhall exceed alio in recom- pcnce oi rewaid : but if niariagc cquall virginitie in the workeofGod, wcdoubtnotbutrewardei.fglorie flialbe to both alike. Indeedc fingle life in it fclfeyecldcth more conuenienthbertytolerueGod, and therefore where it may be Injhly obicrued is to that end luiliy to bee prefer- red.But mariage and lingl^ htir are not alw.;ycs Sc to eucry man the fame that they are confidcrcdinthciiiiclucs to be 5^ The Jrfuptr to B. !Bip?ops be. For fometime the vnmaried careth more for the thbg^s ofthsvorlde then the maried doth : and Ibmetimes the maried careth more for the thiy:gs of the Lord then doth the vnmaried. The maried many tunes is notfo much dillra- 6tcd by occafions of the world as is the vnmaried by wralt- ling and ftriuing to preferue the integrity of the flefhe. \ Gr-^r. '^ATJa, k J\^either manage ncr (it'gU lifejidkh "^ciZtanz^^ne^ isjm h hy tn laud. Gor^. ^^f^^jrg ^j can etihir tte vs fehoUy to God or tht wcrid/jr nhoU Jj keepe vsjrom either yhut it is the mind that rghtlj vjt th the fame ay.dworketh either of themto vertue ^ Asiingle hfe is no: alwaies a helpe/o is not manage alwaies a hinderancc to holinefle & deuotion towards God, as when in maried eftate and in the alfaii"es of this world tiie heart is framed 1 ^ Q^^ ^ Q to the rule of the ApofU es, ' that they whic h haue mues (fee as though they had none, and they which weepe as though thiy rvept not, and they that reioyce as though th'y raoycednct^And they that buy as thopfgh they pojfcjfed nct^and they that vfe this world as though they vfed it not ; and men being bodily em- ploied here vpon the earth, yet cary their afile6liomfo as ''PlnL^^io. thattheir " conuerfationisinheauen. Inawordwe are to conceiuc the fame of fingle life and marriage as of free- dome and bondage* Freedomc is a more blefl'cd and hap- pie flate , and giueth a man greater power of himlelfe to beflow himfeltc to the Lords vfc,and therefore the Apoftlc • I Cor. -J ,21. faith to him that is bound, " if thou maieji be free vfe it ra~ * Gal.i .23. ffjef.^ And yet the fame Apoftle telle th vs that " tn ChriB lefus there is neytherhondnorfreeX that neither freedome commendeth a man the more to God , nor bondage any whit empeachedi him , but either of them is molt prefer- red with God as either of them is beft beftowcd to the r I Cor.T. 40. g^^O' of God. S o is the freedome of fingle hfc " more hlef- fed then the bondes of mariagciand yet where marriage is alike in feruicc of Godjitis alike accepted with Godasfin- gle life* This doftrinc louinian taught in Rome againfl thcfuperftitiousconceipt that was then in growing that there can becnoholinelfe in mariage comparable to the holineiltf EpiHle to the K'ng yy liolinefle of profeflcd fingle iife. He affirmed that albeit in relpe6l otthe encumbrances and troubles and cares that are incident to mariage virginitic were to be preferred, (in regard wliereofhehimfelfe alio liued a fingle iife as ** Au- '^jiu^Sur.^i. rtine witneflcth ) yet that virginitie of it felfe is a thing meerelyindifferentjandwithGodforit fclfc hath no pre- ferment before mariage: and by the examples of holy men and holy women mentioned in the fcriptures, patri- arches,prophets,prieihand their vviues perfwaded that mariage war. as holy an eftate and as plcafing vnto God a$ fingle life, He taught by the words of the Apoftlethatit js hetter ' to marry then to harne^tltcx openly to cnioy huf- ' i.Cor 7- ^. band or wife then fccretly by incotinency to be diftra6ted in mindc or to giue place to Satans temptations, by filthy luft .His preaching tooke that effect in Rome that fundry, both men and Women hauing profeffcd virginitie and continency did thereupon leaue the profeffion thereof ^ and betooke themfeluesto mariage, as both 'by Hie- ^^^^"^^'r^i rome and Auftin doth appeare. louinian had written /„*'«. feme what ofthis and other matters, which 'ycw^r brethren ^ugHflMr. 8» asHicromc calleth them, lent from Rome to him being &'B^trail.l.-i. tiien asisfeemeth in Paleftina, prefently Hierome with all '^''^^»• indignation and ftomacke writeth his two bookesiigainft '^'^^'*'^' louinian, and to lay as the truth is whileft he ycelded to "'*"** much to his owne humor for commendation of virginity he wrote very bafeiy and prophanely concerning mariage, ?^w«Mf/?i/i'j' a gentleman of Rome, a friend of Hierome, a man of great learningjlighting Vfon thofe bookes and taking view of them, conceiuing what offence and dillikc they were likely to breed to their authour" laboured to "Hthom.tfujf. fiippreflcthemjthat before they went any further abroad pcpr.adTam- Hieroine himfelfe might better confider ofthemanda-*""*^^-/^"^'^* mend what might fecmcamifle. Eut it would not be: '"^'''^'"*'"''*»^ abroad they went, and raifed in Rome exceeding oblo- quies and clamours againft him, and fcant any fpcecJi of any hercticke had becne more odioufly takcn,as may fccm I bf 3 Hieron.ad Tammash.A- folitg.pro lib , adit.loftinkn' r ikd. h^eref' ^Ttriullex- hortat.ad Ca- ftitat, '» Ori^eiLetj^ud ^polo^ia. 'In Math. ^ ConclLtem. Can-.MoftoL cap.6. 5 8 The Anf^er to V. Sijhps by that that Hierome himfelfe reporteth then was that that he wrote.Heercupon he wrote to Pammachius an " .Aplogie of thole bookes to amend tlie matter lb much as might be,and to qualifie the offence taken. In that A- pologteit appcareth that fome there were indeed that blamed loumianj but euen they aho blamed him: Etme ^ adpterfirmm pAriter reprehendnnt: They finde fault -with me^andwith mine adnerfariealfo, And what was the occafi- on otali this tragcdiei* What was the matter for which lie fuileined all this difpleafure? '' Grande pacuhm: euer- faftmt ecclsfw.erbis audire non foteji fi virginitatem dtxi- m 's m •tndtorem ejfe quaitnHptiai : ty^ hiiiuQHS offence : it ts the overthrow of the church: the world cannot endure to hears it, that i [hoddpiythAtvirginitiejs of greater p.ir it j and ho ~ line^e then mariedefi ate. Behold hcere, M.Bil'hop, the churtli of Rome greatly offended to heare it, and accoun- ting it as a llrange dc6lrine5tiiat virginitie fhouldbe affir- med to be a more holyefiate of life then manage is. Yea Sl before that time the fame church of Rome in condemning the Montanilt heretickes condemned this opinion alfo* For the Montaniftsdidnotonely x^itOi^ fecond tnariage^ asAuftinnoteth of them, but they accounted manage ' wholy to be a more prophane and vnholy ftate then might If and with the perfedion of Chriftian life* This Origen vpbraideth them witii as faying thereby in effeft, ^ Come not neere me^for I am holy -y for I take no wfe, hat am ^^xz^rite ofCfodrdi man vowed and feparated vnto God: which the fame Origen elfe where calleth' ' Cxr,o...ipofl. 6 niinaticn of the Nicene Councell, ' yeelding to the mil Co^o/. torn. I. gj^^i godly motion of Paphnutius againft tliat vniuft and ' ^''^'■•^'•^'''^- vnlawfull feparation. The grofle and abfurd ignorance of " S;> "fp//?*. 'Bifhops mattery hee isfaydto haue Bijhops partakers with him in his wicked opinion: as hee in ftomacke termeth their defence o f mariage. And ofthofe bifhops he dcdareth that the-j would ordernone minifiers or de aeons -^ but onely juchas werefrji married : lb tarrc were they from M » Buhops conceit of mariage or virginitic, becaufe they faw the filthy and ab- hommable f r uices that vowed virgmitie did vfuaily' bring ' f^'^""-<'P''*^» foorth, whereof' Hicrome himfelfc elle where and be- """""'"^'^ forehim'^TertulIian did complaine. Ycafotarre were they from approouing the opinion of Hiercme or ofSi- riciusthebiihopofRome, as that dire6Uy and flatly in their pradife they oppofed themfelues againftit. And whereas Hierome to reproouethefe bilhops by examples ot other churches, alleageth to that purpofe the C /;/^rc^if/ cfthe £^/(beiide the no other but the churches of Egypt & Rome)' Socrates wbowrote his ftory within Icflethen twentie yeeres after the deatli of Hierome, affirmeth of thofeEafterne churches which ^ Epiphanius alio an Ea- fterne bifliop euen m the time of Hierome of fome partes tlicreof, acknowledgeththat/^^;;;'/^/ and btfhops therecf were mt forced by any law to forbear e their wiues^ and that ' many of them whtleji they were bi^jops had children hcrne vn^ tothem by their lawffillmariedwmesy fo h'ttlc regard had they ofthefentence and decree of Siricius, and io httlc conceit of any fuch holinefle in virginitie aboue mariage, but that the holy calling of a bifliop or prieft llandeth in- differently agreeing with either of them.ThuSjM.BiOiop, 1 haue wrefted your weapon out of your hands, and haue charged it very ftrongly againit your lelfe,and haue made it plainly to appeare that in denying virginitie to be of any greater holmejfe, vtrtue or merit with Cod then mariage ^^q teach the ihme, that not louinian onely with a few fimple and carnall women, but generally the church of Rome not the inferiour fort onely, but the nobles and great men, HOC the Laity onely but the Clergie of that church,the monkcsand fuchasprofefle contincncie, and the bi- ihops e Socrat.hifi. CatbaroT. Epiftk to the K^ng. 6 j fhopsalfoof that church before, and of other churches then approoued and receiued, and that the Papiftes now teaching the contrary, doe contrary the receiued do- ftnne ot the auncient church of Rome. But it further offendcth M. BiOiop that M, Perkins doth not onelyequall manage to virginitie but affirmeih that tnfome rcfpetis it is to bee preferred before it. But I maruell that hce fhould be olfv^nded thereat, feeing it is a cafe vfuall that the Iclfer good m (ome refpe^s is to bee pre- ferred betore the greater. The Piulofoplicr i s to bee pre- ferred before the husbandman, and yet if we refpe6t the tillaoe ofthe land the husbandman is to bee preferred be- fore^the Philofopher. Gold is better then iron, yet if we rerpe6t the (liooing of a horfe, iron for that vie is better then gold. Therefore albeit it be graunted to M. Billiop that virginitie ablolutelie is better then mariage, yet no- thing hmdereth but that mariage in feme refpe6ts may be better then virginitie. TJie re(pe6ls thatM. Perkins allea- getharetwo. Oneincafeofincontinency. AnddothM Billiop doubt but that to them that cannot conteinc mari- age is better tlien virginitie, when the Apoftle fo plaincly iaith : s It is Ipetter to nutrie then to burne I The other re- c i cor 7.9. Ipe6l is for tliat rmrtage is thefemimrie */ the Church and commonwealth, andbnngethfoorthafeedeofGodforthe en- larging of his ktngd^me . And is M, Biiliop fo mad as to makcqueilionoftiiis : furcly virginitie to this refpc6la- vaileth nothing and therefore in thisrefpea mariage mull needes be better then virginitie, Butlomewhathe muft needes fay ; he wilbe ftill biting and gnawing though it be to the hurcingof his owne teeth. Now whereas he faitlifiirther oflouinian that hce^^r- kedat approoued fcap andfafii^g daiesizs touciiing the tor- merofthemitappearethnot byHierome or Auftm or any other ofthattime that he fpake any thing atall, and therefore I pafle by it as a tale. As touching the other poyntoff4/?;«^ S.Auftinrcportcth that hce taught, ''»c»b H^r.Sz. prodejfe 6^ Tl?e ^nj%er to T>, (Bipops prodejfe ieiftma et a cibis ali^ntbtis ab^mcntiamithiafajles f9rbearmg ofcertame meates ^re thmgs not aHattiablesvliQVe- m if his meaning werCj as appeareth it was,to condemn fet and cercamc daies of ftanding falles,witli thac iupej Ibtious tancythatitfliouldbe a matter ofmerittc with God thole daies to foi beare fome certaine k Jndes of meate more tlien other, he erred nothing therein, neitlier did he teach any other thing then the Church of Rome, as hath bcene be- fore ihewedjhad long before taught againft the hereiie of Montanus: which herefie although it were at the firft rcfi- fted by that church, yet fuch was the ferpentine flippernes thereoftlirough the goodly colours and faireAicwes of church-order and dcuotion that were let vpon it, as that afterwards it found very eafy admittance and entrance,and thofc opinions which fcrtullianasa Montanift defended againft the church, and namely the church of Rome, the fame wereapproued and rcceiued in the fame church ; (b as that Hierome though he confeiTc that TertuUian being fallen to the herefie or Montanus wrot diuers hook'&ffea- alij againji the church^y ct doubteth not f otimes to auouch fome poynts by him mainteined in thofc bookes^ and to Ipeake as he fpcaketh:yea and Auftin in fetting downe the herefie of the Montanifts mcntioncth for herefies, fetting afidehisp4r^t/?/«^,butonely one point conteinedin the famebookes. But what he wrote touching fafling, it went fmooth aed currant, and louinian, Aerius, Vigi- lantius, and others for fpea king againft the fame were re- ieded as heritickcs though they fayed nothing in that point but wliat the church of Rome had faied bcfore.Now fith the minifters of our church fay the fame and by the femearguments that theauncient church of Rome did, as I haue before declared, it is manifcft that theapoftafie is not on our part but on M* Bifliops, who now by the au- thority of the church of Rome maintaineth that which the hereticke of old maintained and defended againft the church , The minifters of our chuch condcmne not fa- fting Eptjile to the IQng, (Jc fting but fuperftitious fading. Wc blame mcn'Mon^uia '" Btmarlim ahjiment fed quia haretke abjiinent'.not becauje they abfieine Cant.ftr,66. but becanfe thty abjiem with an hereticallopnion cf their ah ■ Jimeyicey a$ Bernard well fpeakcth though he apply it ill. We obicruc falling daies as wee call them by abibnence ii:oti\ ^cih('mdQcd not fajlingdaics but*fi/h daies as the *^Hno^.EU\. law dotli rather call them) not with any opinion either for cap.^.^hridg. the day or for the abllinence of any holinefle therin, or *n*"t.i»Jh,fs religion towards Godjbut oncly byway of obedience to ^''^^"'"^■'^* pohtickelawcSjanddutie to our prince, the law it felfc profefling it lelte to be onely * folttickelyintendedy & dif- ^ ihid, claiming fuperjittton to bemdintainedin choife cf meats & denying this eatmg offijh, or for bearing offlefj to bethefer^ nice cfGod^otherypife then are other po/tticJ^/arves.But other . wife wc teach fiifimg, either priuatc or publicke, not tied todaiesortimeSjbuttooccafions either priuatc orpub- like,whercbyGodcalleth vs thereunto, tlie church then vfiiig it owne libertie, to appoint to that end either thofc fjh dates or any other daies, one or more, or many as oc- cafion fhall require : as when lately by realbn of Gods vifi- tation,there was a faft eommanded ordinarily to be ob- lerucd through the whole land,that praier and fupplicati- on might be made the more inftantly vntoGodforthc auertingand turning away of his fearefuU hand, and as •' Tertullian by way ofobic^ion teftifieih, that at that * r««»#/.4/e time in the catholicke church the bifhop vpon like occa- '"«»;>. (ions did folemnely call the people to a taft. And this /aft confifteth in abftciiiing either wholy or extraordinarily, but not in abfteininghom fuch and liich meats. For when the time of repaft comn^eth,wc hold it al one towards gcd w hcther a man eate tifh or flcfli, bccaufc ' euery creature cp i.Tlm.4.^, ^cdts good and nothif7gto be refufcd,^ if it be receinedwith thai.k^gmingj^' 2Xi^ mthir.gthat cntrcth into the mouth '^^*^'^^*^^' defiicth a man. As for ihe popifh faft we hold it fenlelefle „ ^^^^a j and abfurd,and hke to the fafting of the old " Manichees. morif. Mankh^ A man fillcthliimfelfcwith maimolcts, andfuckets, and uh.i,ca{>.i^. ' K and "» AH^'t^.t6. fCtnt.VauJi* ITInod.hiJf. ' Socrat.hif}. ' Terttilje it a The Jnfi^er to V. ^Ifhops and prefemcs,and fine cakes and fugred wines, onely hec forbeareth fleih,and hee is a Catholick:e,hec hath done a good and m:riconousworke,hee hath kept a taltto God and this is a tatista£):ion for his fianes, A poore labouring man coniming from his worke eatech a peece of fault ba- con, and feedech very barely and fparely thereof, and this man is an herecickcforfooth, he is vncleanc and muft for this caufe be condemned to the fier. This is an hereti- cal! deuife, dellroying true faith, enTangling the confci- ence,andhiuing no lliew of any vvarrani: or teftimony from the word of God .S. Aullin concerning fafting tel- l^tl-Wlih^l" fmdjrhgths m-ztter in his mi.id? h?e findah thjt th.:re is precept offafiing in the writing; of ths EiMngi- lifts and-ApojUes.b^'ty faith he, v:>hAt d.iies topiFl, or not to faft I d)e mtfiids it fet d}w:is bj my precept of Chnfl or his ^p->jiles. Therefore he fliiweththattheoldlibertieofche churchwasthis, toabfteine''»2Prtf or/.^jfp as eucry mm ei- ther will or can: becaufe/f/?/^^^, asMarcianustoldAuitus, is in am MS owne power and at hi-s owne ■will, and becaufe ' there it nothi>7gfoHnd written as toHchingit^ fnxth Socrates^ it is manifest that the^pojiles leffree power to eaery mans •will and difcretion in that behalf e ^-without necejft: i: or f ear e to djethAtthat(hoitld be good lobee ftiort, ihe aunciene church of Rome acknowledged the fame, that according ' tothcobieruationofthe Apodles/wjL^ii^r.? tofifl at their owne difcrstioni according as euery mans times and occafions doe require '.that ihe Apojlles impofednoy)ke ofprefcriptand fiandtiq^f flsthat fhould in common be performed by all'.that toperforme afaji certaram edu^iornm cxeepttonewith eX' ceptim tnk^n tocertaine meats-, as the Montanills did ex» CQ^t^g^axniifl fh,-^ndbrjth,^»dwine,CMOVcth very ftrong- ly of lieathcnifh fuperlhtion. They acknowledged there- fore in this point of falling the fame tliat we doe. As for fealt dales we doe not know that wee hauerc- ic6lcdanythatafe certainly found to haue beeneapproo- ufidinthe auncient church of Rome. If the bi^iop of Rome FpiHletothek.^?!^ 6y Romchaucfinccfupeiftitioufly multiplied the number of tliemjand added new and falfe conccites of w'orfliip and grace, and holineflcvnio them, and Iiauc thereby laied a yoke of vafl'alrie and bondage vpon the church, we hauc iibercic to fliakc ofl his yoke, neither are wt hccrein to be charged with varying from the old church of Rome, butit is tJie new church ot Home it felfc that hath varied from the old. If any Miniftcrs amorgftvs doc iinpugnc any feaft daycs by pubhcke authority cftabhflied in our church, they beare their blame, but whereas M. Bifhop faith, the noji cfour minifii r: the realon is, h^CdXiii U^fien* tihns oculisfirgulAris Inarna numtrofa eji, 9* W. Bishop* Vigilantius vpasjharplj reprcoucdhy S<^ir}tllk:cme,iKa iookt T»ritten againfi him/.nd h^.th hectie euer Jince VKto this 4Uy, tjietmed a nicki(iheretkk£ifirder,jir:gfrajer toScints tofidhoncur to be dene vnlo their relkkes'.>.drid yet y rvhat point cfDoRrii^e is more cnrrar.t (imorg the frctejiants^then this I R Abbot. M« Bifhop faith that Hicrcmc doth fliarpelv rcproouc Vigilantius, but faith Erafiiius and very iumyi'heedoth t^rar-iHarr forai/eathtniasth^>tIcanKothutmpj that hee hr.djhcwed iib^4idu,FiTiL more modcjite. I rpoald he haddelt by drgumerst onely and had forborne rarlti'^gffeeches. Hierome himfelteelfe where cal- letli Vigilantius^ fur.nijjimp:mfrefbyterumyn very holy friefi^ ^ Hitrtn.t^.ad and indeed in that that he wrote tor ougI;t appearcth hee "Paulin. wrote nothing but w hat might well bcfecmc a very religi- ous and holy man, being oftended ' to fee as hee laith, in ' /H ^'"■*" " a winner the cujicmis cj the heathens z nae r^retcKce oj religt * in brought into the i httn h. One thing that Vigilantius rc- proued was their cullome ciVtgils & nightwatchcs at the lepulchcrs or rclickcJ of marty res, vndcr pretence whereof K» many 68 ^he Anfwer to VMjhops many lewd aiSls & viUanies were done, yet Hierome main* teineth the fame very ftiffly.Buc that notvvithitanding the J -. . ^ church atterwiird not following the mmd or Hierome but libad^J'i'^i-^' rather of Vigilantius^'aboliihed thofe vigils, &madeic lant. "^ to ap^ea?^ that Hierome had more contentioully then ia- BelUrmJe dicio Lilly written in defenfe of them. Yea and by Hierome (ultufanCl, himfelte it appeared! chat Bil'hops there were that tooke ^^^'^7' part with Vigilantius, and approoued that which hee taught, whofe names if they were knowne might Jiappilie carry as great authoritie as S» Hieromes doth. But ro come to the matters that M. Biihop fpeaketh of as touching prayer to Saints Hierome faith nothing at all. He only rea- Ibneth that tlie Saints or martyrs doe pray for vs, but faith nothing to argue that we fliould pray Co them, Neychtr did Vigilantius qucftion that matter : for whereas hec de- m^iundeth, he the puies of martyrs alw-ues frefentat their ajheSj ieaft if any come topray^ theyjhouldnet heare them be- • Am de ytiit* ^^^ ahfenty Hec meancth it not of any comming to pray to t^lef.'ca.i.6. * the martyrs themfelues, but to pray to God at the places oftlleir Rclickes. For they vfed co pray to God ' ad me- mortas m:irtyrH^at the memorial places of the martyrs , which «" cyriLcont. vvas a thing by lulian the Apoitata obiedted to the Chri- MUnMb' I o. ftians : ^yo^i callvpon God at thefepulchers of your martyrs^ who would rather haue obiected praying to the martyres themfelues if he couldTo haue done.But hence they grew in time to conceiue fuperftitioully that the maityrs iiea- ring them at their relicks praying to God did recommend their prayers by their interccflion and make them more ac- ceptable vnto God. But that prayer to Saints was no do- ctrine pnblickly recciued in the auncient church is hereby infallibly and ineuitably prooued, for that the auncient church though not at the firft yet afterwards three or fourc hundred yeercs after Chrifl: did in their publickc hturgie and feruice pray for the Saints.Now to pray for them and CO pray to them cannot pollTblyftand together. That they grayed for them appearcth by Epiphanius his defenfe tliorcof Epi/lle to the i\in^, ^p tlirrof againft AeriusZ/c^- the righteous, forthefuthersy ^^ifh.Ur.f^ the patnarchsy the Prophets the ^^poft/cSy\:uangcliJies,war~ tjrSy conf(jfo0rsy Bt fhofs^ ^dnchorttcs axd the whole ranke of the chnrchSn wliac meanin^chey didit lliall appearehcre- after, but thereby it is manit'elt that as yet there were no prayers pubhckely vied to the faints. And althougli the hither s indeed doc m diutrs places feeme to giue counte- nance to this fuperfticion vvlnlclt caried away with popular and plauliblc deuotions tliey fearch not liow it may (land with otlicr points of Chriflian faith, yet fomctimes vppon occalions they fo cut away the whole foundation thereof as chat the rert of the building ncccflanly muft fall after to the ground. For whereas the end of praying to Saints is to v/e cheir mediation and intercclVionvnto God, they doc fo challenge this office of interceiliue mediation wholly and onely vntb Chrift as that the Saintes mull needes be wholly excluded from any part thereof. And to this pur- pofe S. Auftin notably fpeaV.eth \ He is the pneji who Ictng h ^u^„/fj„ entred within the ve'tle^olHs iht ex his qui carnem gufiauerunt Vf^Cs^, interpellatpro nobis^is only he of them that haue taftedthefltjh that there maketh intercejjion for vs. In figure whereof among fi thatfirfi people and in thatfirfi temple onslj the high pricfi en- tredintothe holy place and allthepeople ficodewithout ^ And therefore againll Parmenian the Donatift hereticke ma- king the Bilhop A mediAtourbetwixt God and the people her faith of the Apoftle S. lohn : ' Jfhe (hull thus fay, If ami manfmne, ym hane me a medtatour wtth the father, and 1 ' ■^^''.s*/^' *■*"''' makeintcrccfftonandintreateforyour^nnef^ what gcod a^d Ij'j^ ' '"'g^"' fiithfull Chrijiianwo-ild endure him'i who would lecke vpon him as the dip. iplc of C hrijl andnot rather as ^ntichrij} him- felfe ? He is the onely and the t rue me di at our that Tnaketh in - terce jftcn for al and none for him.Neither dotb Vavlmak^ him felfe a medtatour betwtxt God avdthe people. ^c Tor fVaul were a medtatour, thenjbouldthe reji of his fellow Apcjiles be foalfe ^fo there pjould be many me diat ours, and the reafonof T'aulhimfelfefhould notfiundgocdwhercby hefated^htre is K 3 en*. yo Tl?e ^nfiver to T>. Si/hofs fine ^od and one mtdt.Uour betwixt Gcd and man e?'^«which peremptory alTcrtion oF one mediatour for intercellion vnto God doth vtccrly ouerchrow whatfoeucr M« Bifliop can alledge for defence of prayer vnto faints* And that tliis was the auncient faith and religion ot the church it is k Orig«n.t$n. P^^inc by Origen alio teaching ^ that Gcd onelj'ts to be wor-^ Ctlftm.iih, 8 . /hipped and that our praters are to he tendred only to the only begottenfonne of^od^that he as the highprieji may bring the fame to his God and our God. c^r« :rhat Chriflians did make their praters onely to God hj lejus ^hriji : that ' ait hough the ^*'^ 5 • anfels befo dtmne ^ excellent in nature a s that the Jcripture fomttimes calleth the m Gods^ and they doe bring vnto vs the gifts of God, yet that voe are not f$r all that to rporjhip them or to doe diuine hcnour vnto them, but that all frayers^ alljup" plications^ andintercejficns aKdthaKksgip!i-/!gs are to be defii'^ nated vnto ^od the Lord of all things ^1^ the highpritfi the It- uing wcrd rvho is God greater then all angelles : that no man pjiilddare to o^er praters bfitonly to the LordGod(who alone is aboundantlyfufficientfer all) by ourjauiour the fin of God, Thus that firlt church knew no other prayers butfuch as we make according to the example otall the Saints and faiihfuU from the beginning of the world only to God by ie- fus Chriji* They would not pray to angels ; much Icffc if S"/""**''* ^° ^^^"^^* "^'^^ Councell of Laodicca decreed " nepreca- "JJ' 'T' • renturangehs^ that men jhouldnot pray to angels : much lefle did tliey intend that men ihould pray to men. But the Papiftes doe both and tliat for a realon and vnder a pretence wliich the auncient church condemned in them tThtoiJhid, that alledgcd it, "that by angels and Siints they mujl make • ^mbraf.in TvayforthemfiluestothefauourofGo^j^euenas by nobles ^m,c4p I and great men we procure accede vnto the i^«^,not confide- ring,as Ambrofc wel noteth,thatas it is trcafon vjnder the colour offeekingaccefl'e to the king by a noble man to giuevntothc nobleman the honour of the king, fo it is_ alfo trealbntoGod & much more vnder pretence of fee- king fauour and acc(ilc to God by Saints and angelles to giuc Ep'tjlk to the I\mg. y i giuc vnto them the honour of Gotl by making praiers vn- totijcm. Ycatheauncientchurchaldioughthcy did fo concciuc'' that the angels as WW/' //?m^7^/r;/j- and mcjfoi- y ori» com gers doecxhibite our praiers vntu God by the Jiigh prieft CuJml,^, ' JcrusChnlljanddoethemlelucs pray tor thtm that are committed vnto them^ yetdidrefohie that'' invocArean- ghs, tonuik^ prajtrs to the ir>jgels themlclucs isaniniurie ' t/t.y. vrico Godj that tlie angels ftand well affc 6led towaides vs for doing as they doc, to worfhip God only, and that' as when the body is moued, the fhadovv is alfo moued, and r jr,j j^ which way the body goeth the lame way the fliadovv go- cthjIbhauingGodtauorable and gratious tovsby our dueandlaithiUllvvorlhippingofliim and calling vppon . him, the angels wiiich are but as his iliado wes are like wile friendly and louing to vs, fo that wee necde not feekc to gain them by any other meancs, Andlf tiicy thus relolued againlt prayer to angcUes (exprclly contrarie to the do- 6lrine ot'the church of Rome ) much more fhould wee re- folue the like againll prayer to Saintes of whom wcc are taught that ^thty l^ow t/j«(?/.of whom we hauc no ground ^ tobeperfwaded that they haue that entcrcourfe betwixc ^•'^' ^■*^* God & vSj as the angels haue^or do any thing for vs as the angels doe: in whom becaufe they are but ondy menne, Tertulhans argument concerning Chrill muft ncedes take place : ^ IfChrtfi he onely mati^ why is he in our iray^rs call, d ty , , . VpeHasanteMato:iry (eewg^th: iniiocation tfa man is of no 'rriittatt force toy?eldfaliiation ? Being onely men they can be no mcdiatours for our prayers, our praying to them can bee no whit helpefuU to our faluation. Vigilantius therefore in denying prayer to Samts, if he did fo, brought no he- refi',* or new opinion into the church, but onely fought to reduce it to the true faith and integrity of the firit Cliurch, As touching the other point concerning Reliques, Vi- gilantius was iullly offended, not that the fame were ho- noured, but that they were honoured too much, and in other fort then honour was due vnto them .The fault that JiC 72 Tl?e anfioer to V. Sijhops ^UmoH^d ^c found, was that men did w«?"yZ»/^r/;tfw, and for tW i{ipdriitm, caufc he rightly termeth them that Co did " cinerartos^fr idololatras^a^mongersandidokters^ox if wcrfhip and fer- uice of religion be not due to the Saints themfelues, as of prayer wehaue already feene, then lurdy it cannot be du« to their offals and reliques, toafhes and rotten bones, much lefleto their ihooes and fhirtes, and girdles, and fuch otlier bafe and pahric ItufFe.And plainly it appcareth that little reckoning they make of preferuing rehgion en- tire and pure, who of worfhip which is peculiar to God onely , doc make fo common a thing as to beftow it thus indifferently not to men onely, but to mens bones, and to euery thing that by occafion hath beene vfed by them . Now this worlhipping of reliques Hierome wholly dif- ^ jidH^FigiU claimethjlayingto \i^\\di\U\xs'.''Thoumaddeinan, who h.^th at any time tvorjhipfedthe martjrs? who hath gene about of a man to make a G^,faith Auftin* But they contend to hauc K-'^f'^i' hquestobeworfliippcd,whichnoc wee onely, butHic- romc himfelfe flatly pronounccth to be idolatry. NowwhercasHieromedcmcth that any fuch adora- tion or worlhip was done to reliques, as if Vigilantius had therin calumnioufly ilaundered tlicmof whom heefpake itismanifcft that Hicromc was deceiued, and that Vigi- lantius had iufl caufe to,fay as lice did. For Gaudentius a bilhopofthe fame time tliat Hiaome was^ is found to L hauc 74 T)jeJnfwerto V,%fl70ps *Gduitnt.in hauc reprooued fome as guilcic of ^ idolatry, for that to Ex9d.trACl 4. the rchques of their dead and at their lepulchcrs, they m2i<\tfea^tngf:crifices, according to the manner of the Gcutiles» Which Bellarminc cannot denie, butonely quahfiech the mattcr,that they were but Ibme h^N^'fome * BeUarJe Ej- pyf,p^y/jjpj^ faieth hc^did/acrifice to the dead. But wJiether K^.eaj^A' J j^gy ^^j,g ^g^ ^j. j^^ore that skilletli not t certaine it is that Vigilantius had caufe to fpeake of fome that did rvorP?ip to the fepuichers and rehques of the dead. And that they were not 2^ few onely but many, Saint Auftin ihall be a wit - t^ugujije nefle againll Bciiarmine in behalfeofVigilantius/i;^onf morihus ecclef. {"aith he, that there are m^ny -jvorptippers offefulchres'. that ih.cA^.l^* there are many that very luxHrtonjly drinks oner thedead^ andmakiyig jeajies to their cark£ifes^ (their rehques) doe bnrie the?nfclptes vpon them' that are buried^ and repute this their Jiirfeiting and drunkenne^e for a, matter of religion Hierome then was to blame fa to raiie at Vigilantius as if hchaddeuifedatale of his owne head, in reproouing ibmc that were worfhippers of the reliqucs of martyrs and dead mcn,feeing it appeareth fo plainely by Gaudentius and Auftin that there were many that did 16. Hierome therefore acknowledging thatthis ought not to be done, iiiftifieth the fpeech of Vigilantius, and condemneth the papiits for doing tliat which Vigilantius by Hieromes owne teftimonie did iuftly rcprooue. iWeroujMu* Another thing that Vigilantius dillikcd, was thefct ^S'^ ting vp of tapers and candl es hghted at noone day ^ fVee fie almofithe cuBome of the gentiles ^(iixh he^vnd^r colour of religio brought into the church that the Sunne-broad fining numbers of tapers are lighted^ SiC.Thefe men doe great hc- nour to the martyrs ytothinke that they muji haue light yeel- ded them bypakrie candles^ when as the lawbe rcho is tn the midd.ft of the-throne with all bright ne^e of his maiefiy dcth giue them light ^y\J{\K\\ doth not leeme to be thelpecch of an hercticke,but rather of a faithful! Ghriftian man, d ue- ly and rightly perfwaded of the bleffcd ftatc and portion o£ Eptftle to the jtQng. 7 j of the Saints, TJicfcttingvp of candles lighted in the day time, Tcrtulljan notcth to haue bccne a matter of (blemni- tie amongrt the heathens , and denicth that Chriftians 6,v^^ luiernisdiemtr.frmgere^ by candle Itght goe ahofit to^'^tf^ui^folm dtfumllthe day. Now it Ambrofe tliouglit fitte to abohlh '^*' ^ J* tliofc night watches and mortuaricfeaftcs before fpoken of not oncly for the auoiding of furfeiting and drunken- neflcj but alfo ' e^uta, iWa ejuaji parent alia ftfferflhkni genti- ' '^'^g-Conft^. Iwm ejfent fimillimajhecaHjethefame inthe nmnner of faren- ' ' '^"^'^ ttillfacrtfices were altogether like to thefitperflition of the Geu" ///(f^: might not the lame reafbnfufficiently excufe Vigi- lantius for being offended to fee men by their day-candlc' light to fctbef«^re them the cuftome of tJie heatJicns to be followed in the cliurchfcfpccially feeing the CounfcU of Ehberis had before flatly decreed that men ^jhould not ^ Ctntil.Eliher^ by day-light jet vp tapers or candles lighted m. their church' ^"*'ii* ^^r^fj/13utthebeflis,that Hierome himfj Ifc difclaimeth this ahb : ' /Tie, faith he^^tf ^ot tiend candles by day- lights as i MutuViril, thou without CAuJeACCufefl vSy but that by the comfort heereof we may delay the darkenejfe of the nighty and "may n>Mch by the light thereof y c^c. Oncly he adddeth : if any of ignorance or ftwplicttie either fecular men or deuottt ncmen,of whom rsee may truelyjay^ 1 hey haue the zeale of God bpit not according to knowledge y doe thn in the honour of martyrs , what lojfc // that to thee ? 1 his he goeth about prepoflcrouily tocx- cule by the example of Wary Magdalens annointing our Sauiour Chrift,and by their mtcnt ofdeuotion,peruerting to that purpofe a fentence of the Apoftlc , as if liee iiad lett euery man in fuch matters to follow his ownc minde, and as if it were net amifle, which as wee haue heard S , Am- brole fo much dilliked, to doe that to martyrsjio w in dc- uotion, which was done to Idols before time. But yet we fee heerc that what Hicrome denietli to bee done by him- felfe or others fuch as himfclfc, vvhatheeimputeth to ie- norance and fimphcitie, andconfeflcthtobec done by none but fuch as haue the zeale of Qod, but not according L 2 to 76 7);e Anfwer to ©. 'Bijhofs to knowledge , and feeketh rather to excufe then to de- fend, that now the Papiftshaue taken vp, and vie ic as an important ccremome of rehgion, toburncday-hghtwith • candles before their Saints and reliqnes : and yec pretend Hieroms authoritie and example for the doing of it.Surc- ly M, BuTiop we might wonder at this, butthat we know a bad caufe can haue no better defence , and fuch game- llcrs , as you arc cannot thriue but by faJfc play. As for the true honour that is due to the Saints and »Ofioc, 1 4.1 3 , of faith is that they * jvhich dye or art dead in the Lbrd are ^Efay.^j.z. hie ffed and doe re fi from their iabours : that they arc ^ w ^| s vUiL 1.2 1 . ^g^^g .fi^gj. c ^^fij isaduantage vnto them , becaufe to them i ^^cor.<-^'. ^^^^ *" <^^jfol^^^*^fo be with Chriji y and ' to remoue out of the body ittodwelln>ith the Lord \ thattlie angefls doe at- tend them to carie their foules as they did th e foulc of La- - k i»f , \6. a 1 . 2arus '' into ^Abrahams bofome^ that is to fay ' into the king- Mat. .If. domeofheafteni If this be their ftate, as it is,then are our prayers of no efFe6^ vnto them .-they need them not and becaufe they neede them not,wee are not to vfe themrJM ♦ •Prfg.gJ Bifhop liimfelfe bearing wirneffe that it is " fond and fri- uolous to pray for cternall life to bee giuen to them which are alreadie infiill and aOured pofTeOion of it. And furely the ancient church at the firft intended nothing contrary tothisfaith. They vfedfblemnity for the faithhiU decea- ied, but that was only commemoration and thank^iuing to ibew that they prefumcd of their bliiTeand happinefTe, not EpiJiletothelQn^. 8i not any prayer whereby to procure thcmeaTc anddeliut- rancc trom Purgatory paincs. And tLisappeareth moft , orixtH.,» plainly by the uordcs of Origcn. ' f^<-,/aitlihe, £ieci:t>t l,1,.^, ieie Orate a>.j brtth (L^y^hicaufe ihAt is the ertu.nce ofjonvres dt.dtem^taticns: but ne d It brate the day cf death as beirgthc pu ttwg ^ KfAy (ff. liftrc Vfes ar.d the cfiapmg of all ti mpt^tiem. fVc a U brate i he dtij cf death ^ecaufe they aye not rvhic hfec m to dye, Fcrthat cat:je aljc we cbferue mimcrialis eft he Saints and deuoHtij keep € nmembrdHce of our parents ar.dfrmds dy~ i/.g in the faith J as tvell rttyciy.g at thetrrtfrejhmtfit ^^ndeajc us cramvgfcr our f clues a Godly confun.mMion in fatth^ We celebrate tt calUrg together deuout per jcns rvith thepriejisuhe fatthfull brethrentcgethcrwith the clergy J tieutting mcreotter theptore and needy fcedir.g the crphanes andtvidc wes that Ok r folcmnitie may btfr a menjcriallofrefi to thefoules departed ^Kvhofc remcmbrar.ce we celebrate^& to vs may become afiveet fauourinthefghtoftheemrlafking God^ This is a perfc6l dcfcription ot their vfagc towards the dead : tliey imagi- ned nothing but rtfttothefoules of them that were de- parted in the faith, and therefore reioycedouerthem,buc vfednopraierforthem. And therefore they comforted -men to die without teare or doubt, and with certaine ex- o cjfMMif^ pciiation of reft and peace, as "Cyprian doth: andac-r^/. cordingly gaue comfort as touching the dead, that thcy^Tmulldtf* were ^ not to be bewailed as betn? in frtiJerieJfHt that thej haue *''"!'*' If. ^„i ^ 111 '^ Cyp.dtmtr- atteined thetr defrel ^ that we arevot to put on blacke mour- ^^^l^^ fling gai mentsfith they haue put on white .* that tktyliue wtth godiiKdthatwe(hopildhafientocometo them. With much more which Cyprian moft notably fpeakethto that pur- pofe: butof Purgatorieorpraicrfcrthedead no intimati- on at all. Yea and altliough afterward thankcfgiuing for the dead were in fome part turned to praier for the dead, yet was notthatpraier for the dead intended foranydcli- ucrancelrom Purgatorie paines, without which Popifh praier for the dej^ hatli no vfe at all^but it ferued partly to tciliiic the affection oftheliuing to the dead; and partly 82 TloeA^^ertoVlBljhops toexprelVe to the liuing what hope there rcmaineth in dcatli, for them thar hue and die taithfull to die Lord And diis plaincly appeareth byhimthatwastheaudiorof the EccleJkfttcallHierurchta vndcr the name of T^ionyfms » Dyonif..4rc&- Ar:o;ag:ta^ letting foorch the vfage of the church in f:tr.EccUp)i' this bchaltc, laid"! that the man dying '^j being now come erArch^cap. 7 . f^ ^j^g [^j^ ,,^ ^ ^^ ^// /^^y comhates^ is replemfljed with a holy reioych.g.andwtth gre^.t chtcr.ftili'ncffe er.tr elh the way of the holy feccnd birth ^ that is^the reJHrrMion\ well kj^ow- tngth^ithefjiillwhclly.yvhenhcchath elided his I fey c.tteine tefwecte a^jd^leafantrejl^ andthsrefore b^ holding cleercly the way that bringeth to immortal tis^as neere at handhepraifeth the gifts of God iir.dis ^lledwithdiutHeioy becaufe hefeareth notanychancetowoorj'eybfitfi^relyknoweththathejhallhaue fure ^ etierlafimgpojfcfjion cfthofe good things which he pjall attainev'/itOf Where wee arc firltduely to obferuc with what minde the f aithfull then died, who teared no change towoorrcjbutrefoluedthcmfelues that they fliould goe to ioyfuU and pleafant reft^and therefore neuer once drear med of any Purgatorie, nor did befpeakeany mafl'cs of RequiemyOvptrigeesy or pardons, or any other fuch Po- pi fhmcanes to be dehuered from thence. Now it follow^- cth forther, Thefnnds cf htm that is de^diakh he, accoum him^As he it blejfed,for that h; hath according to his d^fire at^ teinedtothc'cndecfhis viHori';, and with fir^gt^g they giuc thanks to the authour of that vificrie, and further w^fh the likereflvntothemfelHest In all diis we fee them as farrc from any opinion of Purgatone, as the Popes purgatoric isfarrefromhcaucn, neither would they haue wiflied the /%r E'^Jlle to the I(in^. 8 ^ I Abraham, jlaacari4Iacob iiuhekingdomc of hcauen. In all winch ducourielo largely fee dovvnc by Dionyfius, whcitfocuer he were, to tlcclare checufloiiie otchcchiu-ch at chat tiiDC wherein he liucd ; wee find nothing but reft and peace and b!j|]"e and happmtlVe to the deceafed for whom they praicd,accordingto tiie pronuie of God to the rigliteous thatia death they liiould bee p irtakcrs of euer- laitmg lite : but as for Purgatory or M.Billiops prayer for tJic dead to be deliuered from the paines thereof , there is not fo much as one fyllable to inipoi c it. The hke prayer for the dead Epiphamiis raentioncth, ' Fortheiafl , the ^ EfifhM.htr, f.ithers, the patriarchs , the prophets the ^pefi/csy Euanqe- 7f. lifts yrnartyn^corfejfonrs. ^c. And why ? For they doubted notof allthcfebut that they wereinheauen : Vihy then did they pray for tliem ? Marrie euen for that caufc as the church betore had done r^*7/ tt might thereby bee vnderflood that the faithful deceafed are no tpertjhrd bat are fill beiyjq c^ Is Htng with the Lord. Anociier reafon he tellet Ji vs , vt do- mtnum lefum (^hrifl^m ah hominum ord ne feparcmas ^ c^c* that Tve mayfeuer our Lord lefus (^ hrifl from the ranke of all ether men by the honour that we doe vhto him^ and mayyeelde him worfhtp^cofidering that though a minlme a thoufmdtimes righteously ^yet hetsnotlike vnto htm : importing hereby that Ciirilt only was perfectly rigliteous, but for others , there was no man , howfoeuer righteous Jie were, but that his nghteoufnefle needed entrcatie to God for mercy , and therefore wiiereas Chrill was to be prayed vnto, all other were fuch as tJiatthey rather needed to bee prayed for: wiience \ inferred beefbre and that by necelfane confe- cjuence, thatbecaufetheauncientchurch did pray for the Siints, without all controuerfie tliey did not pray vnto them. Thus were they putioniiftstodeuifc reafons of their pnierfor the dead, andyetcould ncuer liglit vpon riutre ifon which is the only fupport of that pr^^er for tiie dead, which M. Bifhop (eekcth to approue « Albeit Epi- plianius hecrcin fheweth that foiue alccraiipn tbc^re vvas M 3 fromi 86 VjeAifMrto'DMpps from the auncienter church, becaufc they had now begun toprajfor msnyfcrjmners after their death,that is for pub- Iickc and notorious (inncrs^whith Dionyfius faith the for- mer church was not wont to doe , Bu t with what mmde or for what caufe thty did fo^Epiphanius (liewcth iJoc,nci- ther can it bee gathered by hisvvordes : for dchucrance fi'om Purgatonc it could not bee , bccaule Purgatorie, as « Mphtnfde the Papilies themfclues confcffe, was' not receiucd or be- Caliroaiu.h*r^ Icccucd in the Grcckc churcheSj wiiercof Epiphanius was, hbXtit.de In- norhath been c till this day* And furcly difputing pur- dul^entijs, pofclj agaiiift Acrius in the defence of that cuftome of deiiulnt. re? Paying for thc dead, nothing had been fo ready to ftoppc rum Ub.z ca. I . his mouth and to vphold that cultome as the allegation of '^^ff'"/*' Purgatorie ifanyfuch thing had beenc then receiued in die church. But it was onely humane affe6lion that pre- uailed herein : it was thought to be a good minde to vvifli well to the dead , and whileft men gaue way to tlieir own fancies in this behalfc fuperftition grewc more and more, and that wliich with Dionifius waspeculiarto iuft and ho, lymcntogiuetheminfomefortadmifiionto hcauen be- came common and indiiferent to all and had other deuo. tions added vnto it with opinion to mittigatCjif need fo re- quired, thc very paincs of hell. This Aeriuslpakeagainft, and indeedc fpake againft it with greater reafon then Epi- " Ca^a»d.lCon. phanius hath defended it : yea the truth is^ as " Caflander fuliayca[>. de confelled to Maximil'.ian the emperour, that it,cannot bee .Herat. Mtjf^^ of Mj fatisfdUton X DO placc therefore is there leftfor ifonomoTt.c.i: any forgiuencflc. ThereforeAmbrofe faith iliat "Dauid praiedto haue hisftnsfcrgiHen htm before hedepartedthis lii;e hecau/ey fay th he, heethat heere recemcth net forgi'ieyiej[e of fwnesyjhall net he inthe inheritance of the S^^ints :jor he can- not come to cternall Ife^becaufe eternallltfe is theforgmtne^e cfftnnesy t\\ath, is attained vnto by torgiueuetkot- fins» Yea and wliat finncs they are that lliould beforgiuen aher ^ yifi«i.deciuit this hfe,S,Aultinprotefleth that ^byd thejearchthut ha DuM.z I .f. 2 7, could vfe he couldneuerattaine to know, The Papilts tell vs that they are onely venia/l/innes : but S.Auilin faitJi in th*t place that they are fuch finnes by which a man dieth in cafe to be caft into hell fire, becaufe lie maketh the vfe o£ thofe prayers and interceiTions to bee this , i// «^ i/iignem qmfgmittathr dtermmy that a rra-^maynotbeeca^f'to e- uerUftlngfirey whereof there is no danger with the papiftes for their veniall finnes. Thus S . Auitin and they agree like haipe and harrow : he neitlicr faith as they iay,nor tiiey as he. He affirmeth that vie ofprayer for the dead, to free menhc from euerlafting fire or togiue them eale therein, which they vttcrly denic : and they affirmc that vfe of prayer for the dead to deliuermcn from Purgatorie fire, which he neuer knew. For of Purgatorie fire he anfwereth nothing, which had ferucd molt pregnantly for the deci- ding of all that doubt. Indeede there was begun in that time fomelpcech thereof, butliee plainly flieweth that he « Dt Z.quajl. could not tell what to thinke oif it. He thinketh it ' not i;?- DitUit.ci. I . credible that/uch a purgatorie fire may bee rfter thii Iffe^ and it may be qneflioned, laith he, whet he r it bee fa ^ And againe *Decitii.Dei.U ^I^eake ftot againfi it/akhheey becaufe perhaps it is fo. And Vn^'j"^' againe in another place he leaueth It as vncertaine, ^ TVhe^ eptrca '^, ^^^ ^^^^^ *^ ^^*^ ^^ menftifer , or whether there follow fomc fuch temperaUtudgements after this life. Now feeing he was fo vncertaine and doubtfiill hcrein,becaufe it was indeed a matter ofhumane tradition and deuice, how much better & morclafely fiial we follow him there, where bcingfom- times E^ijile to the i\ing, S^ times vntangic J from the regard of cuftomes receiued in the cimrcli, he peremptorily determineth according to the tnieth of the word of God' 1 here is not any middle f lace for ^'P"^'^-*^'^- any man, faith he, that cannot he any where but mth the dimll I'l] ,. J^^^g' tkt li iot -pptth Chr.fl, ^He that is dead, either his foule % int^ifi.Udn. toyethmthe bfomc oj Abraham^ or e^fe is crauinga Uttle ^vaELxo, waiter $n cuerlaftir^g ^re ** ^^ny thirdplace tve k*ioxp not, nay . ^ypog"-^'^- 1* wefixdfnthe Script hre that there is no fuch, * J he foidcs , , ' "* «* of the^ odly being depart c a jrc m the loay are tn rejty bp. t the Joules of the vngodly h re in funijhment vntill the bcdtcs of the ms rcMHe to euerlifiirg life ^ the be dies of the other to euer- Uftiyg death. ^ ^v // mi nsfoulestvhen thtyare gene from the body haue their dim rs places ofreccit '. the good hatte ioy, the " "' * euillhaue torment. But when the refHrred:ion ^allccme'. both the ioj of the goo dfhall be greater ^artd the torments (fthe euill Jhallbe more griemnsy Sec. Thus S. Aullin fpake as wee (peak,therci$noambiguicie'in his words: heemakethno more places oKoulcs but heauen and hell, and therefore excludcth all vfc of praicr for the dead, whicli by the , . .. . * Pa^kb owne confefTion can neither adde any thmg to TurTatMh.u the blille oft he that are in heauen,nortakeaway any part caf>.i8. of pun^iicnt from them that are inhehNow by this tliat liath bccne handled, it apeareth that in denying praier for the dead, we vary nothing at all from the faith or pra- difc of the moll auncient church: in pra6life we« varic Tome what from the church in the time of the fuppoliid Dionyfius Areopagita, butinfaith and do^^rine concer- ning the llaie of death, nothing at all* What opinions tliereofgrew^tcrwardcs, it is nothing to vs.- there were thofe vfes conceiued of it which the Papiftes thcmfclues, as Iiath bccne fhewed,doe now wholly deny, and indeed Popifh praier for the dead is not to be found in all thole times. For pcpifli praier for the dead eaii not ftande but wiihtheftan'djngcf Purgatorie: but Purgatorie by the aui cicntchurchhathnocertaine ftanding: and therefore Pcpiih praier for tiie dead for any helpe that it hath from N the po TI?e^nfwerto DM^jops thcauncient church niulV neccflarilie fall, neither doth our church in the denia'.l of it denic any thing that hath a^ ny cercaine approbation from that church. II. W.BisHOP. ]^lt,,^,Cap.io'^ -^ common cujiome it was of the ArrhnSyand of other more Lib. i.con. aufjcieftt herctkk^s, to reieSi all traditionSy andto relie cncly Mdximim.. vppsn the written word^as teflifi:th S . Jreneus and S . Augu- lltne. Doenot ours thefams/eieSiing all traditions ^ as mam Muention, R. Abb ot, M, Bifhop in the three former diuifiions hath taken it as agreat preiudice to vs, that louinian, Vigtlantius, and Aerius were condemned by the auncient church, or rather by fomc few oftheauncient church, for fome articles of do6lrinc whicli we now maintainc. But yet hce knew that his hold was not fail enough, vnleflchee added this point of traditions, bccaufe they were condemned onely for oppugning traditions, and not for any -thing which they mantained againft the written worde of God. Vnlelle tliercforc'the authoritie of rr^^. "Bif^o^s conteincd in the fcripturcs, but bccaufe they refiifed the Icripcures thcv would ihevv that the do6^rinc vvhicli they taught them by the fcriptures was no other but what Jiad becne tlie continuall tradition and deliuei-y of the teachers oftheclulrchfuccelTmely from the time ot the Apollles, aiid therefore the very truth that was firlt deh uered to tiie church. Butjiaith he whe^i w: mil them betng irid ed ar^amji tradition to that tradition which isfremihe ^pjiles whtch by fuccejfton ofBifhops is k^pt and ccntiniiedm th^ chnri hss thej rp ill fay tb^it they thefelncs ba^l tvifer net only thenthe bt^opr ofthschirchb^talfo thenths Apples them felnes^haHe found out the fir,cere truth. Hereupon notwithltanding to giuc fatisfa^iion to them that would be fatisfied m tins behaltc he reckoneth the whole rankc of the Bifhops of Rome vri- till liis lime ftill contmuing the fame tradition from the A - , ry yn polWes, ' Forthey allfiiccejfi^ielyy as Eufebius rehearfeth tfcl.U. \.ca.iu ou^ ofEgefippuSjf^^g/^r^j-r/;^/^^ anithe Prophets and thg Lordhadoreachid: Hecbringeth inalfo Poly carpus and alleadgctn hisepillle to the ?/j/Ap/>/^«/,deliuenng the fame forme of faith,ofwhomeEulebius bringeth him in alfo gl- uing tliis witnefl'e that in all his fermons and narration iice <^Ettfekhtjt. (Jeliijere J ^ cHnElafinElisfertpturis confona : all acrording to * ■pc ■ , j th^ritte of the Lord or of the Gofpelli orfr: m the precepts a>. d ■pomprmm. Epifll s rfthe ^^pofilcSt For thofe things that^ are written G d N . 3 himfelfe 94 'TheAfwertoD.Sijhops himfelfe teftifieth that they are to beobferued. \f therefore iibe commaundedm the Goffell, or be centeined m fke efijiles 6r a^s of the ^fofiles^ then [urelj let thts tradttton he holtly ob - ferned. So lay we to M. Bilhop : let him fhew vs his tra- ditions by the Icripcure, and wee are ready to admit them rcligioully and hoWy to beobferued . Andfbfarreis Irc- neustromauouchingany other traditions as that hcc teachech not onely tliat tbe written Go ff ell is thirfotindati- on andpU^r ofo:irp.ith, as betore, but alfo that'' the rttk of truth IS to be taken { rom thofe tlimges, i^iCM. Tefta- as iFbefore hand he had prophecy ed of them. For as hee in the Vreftee f^j^j^ ^\^q old herctickes did, euen fo they when they were i°s'*i %'^'^>' reprooued by the ScriptureSjbegan to cauill thereat, tliat erijTL'JjL' the Scriptures were not 'rightly tranllatcd, that thd Tapxcont.' ^ Grccke and Hebrew copics were Corrupted ; yea the Litther. authoritie of the S criptures was not Ibch but that ' the au- " "P'g^' i"H' thoritie of the church and billiop of Rome is -aboue them, HUr^r.Trxfat, ^ doth "eiue authoriuc Canonicail vnto them ; /«i.i.C4/' i. J.4 thatthcy were not written that our taith Ihouid bee in " Tigh.did.c.i fubie£tion to them, but thattiiey fliould befubicd vnto • sieidati. Com jj : yea One of them doubted not to fay, that • Paules msnt.hi>.i^, Epiftles butonely thac the Dodours of the church had lw.Dulofl' giucn fome authoritie vnto the, were no more to be fet by Tigh,af>^d ^n ■ thcH iEfopes fables. They alledged that no certainty could drad.Orthod^ bcc gathered by the Scriptures, becaufc they were 'like a expiicMo.t. nofeofwaxc, afquircofleadthat might bee turned anic l^nH^b^'zZx way ;thatth«5cripturcisbutiadcadandadumbe thing, »r4tJ>i^4»^. ^^ Epjflktothel^tig. c^r.^ and there muft be adioyncd to it a fudge to determine of thctmth.'thatitis vnpcrfc6landdotli not deliiier vnto vsallthingschatwcarctobelceueandtodoe, but it mull, bcTupphedand expounded ()y traditions, and if we will \a^^^a^Mph*' know the rruth, wemullgoc to the old Councels and^«tz. Fathers of the Church, and learne of them wliat wee muftbelccue. VVelij wee haue beene content to fol- low them ; wee haue iulbfied our religion by thetradi- i tion of the auncient Church ; we auouch no point of do- ftrine wliercof we haue not ftiewed tdtimonie and appro- bation in ihe auncient coimcels, and fathers and Hones of that time Why then forfooth ^"wee are fame ^ fay tlicy, to ^ InJ*x,Exptfr* beare with ma^^y err ours i-n the o 'dQathoU ke writers ^ hut we ^'^*''" ^"'/«'''» extenuate atjdlejfen thcmXwe excsife ^ mahe the beji of them ^'"'*""* by fame deutfedflfift'.weji t a good meaning on them nhinthey are op^ofedm difpxtattons or m controucrfics with our aduer-- faries.Mary the ctrtame truth or ajjurance of all the old coun t „ ,, . Celsandcfaldojlri}7esordepmtioasoffai!hdependcthvp^ifacram.liki* the te[ttmor:j/ of the church that now is. For we haue not a;':j in^cd^^x^* fallible tefiimcny that there were anjfuch councels or that thej were lawfuHyor did determine this or thatybut that the chnrch which now is and cannot errefothiijk^thc^nd teacheth, Vor whereas feme hiflorians maki ^C'-titn rfthcfe councels Jh a n breed but h-tmayie bcl.efe whtrin there m ■■ybefalfho:d,Th\is tliey reduce all to their church and to themfelucs, and nei- riier care for fcriptures nor tradition nor councels nor fa- thers but as itlcemeth good to their church to spprooue andlikcthem. And although in very woordesthey doc notfayasihofcheretickes did thatthey are wifer then tJie Apolll:sthemfelues,yetindcedeandpra£tirethcy fay as mitch, Oiyingthofe things wliich the apoftles neuerfaid, and doing thofc things which they neuerdid, and with " ^'■''^'^^"'^ " iVo-?7'• '^' ChriftandhisAportlesiiaueiaicdand done. Withfuch men wee haue to doe, ex'-rcmcly impudent, ihamele* confciencclellcj liketoftubborne and wiliullthecucsand maIcr?,ftours p6 The Anfi^er to D. (Bipjops iiiaIefa6^ours who knowing thcmfclucsguiltic rcfufe die commontnallby God and their couutrey, and will no otherwife be tried but by their owne words. MBilTiop further compareth vsfor denying Traditi- ons to the Anans playing ftillthe part of Mcdius Alexan- ders paralite : if hee cannot accufe truely yet he will lie (or ^ , ht-ejprcfuining that though the wound be cured,yct til ere ^ jugufi.har, vvillremaine afcarre. 1 he Anans denied "Uiiiil to bee 49'^ kjo oionearidthe Uimenafreat^dfubfit^.ncert'iththef.ith^r and theholyCjhofi Againft them by the commaundemcnt of y jj,;o^ >:iji, Conltantine was ademblcd the councell of Nice : to which ecclefM.i,cd,7^ Conftantinchimfcltegauethis dirc6lion: ' 7he hooke of the Epiizngeltjiesand y^pofiies andthe oracles of the auncUnt prophets doe TvellinjirMli vt efthi will of God ' therefore ft- ttfig a fide cMenmtiy and difcord It t vs take out oj the words /'»- fpired tf God the explication of the cjHeJi on tn h-md, 1 hey accordingly by the worde ot God and t^imonies of the fcjiiptureprooued againft the hcretickcs that Chnftis of tjiefamefubilanceoreflence with the father and the holy Ghoft,and this they thought good to exprcfle briefcly by that one word ojtx^'ffjoc or o//oyVto;, coMfubfianttall^ cfone fuhflancclh^ Arians thougli at that time conuinced of cr- rour yet began afterwards to^purne at the definition of the councell, and one cauill againft it was that they vrged vp- on men to belecue fuch things as were not written in the fcriptures tforinall the fcriptures, the word o^j^Vicg they faydc was not to be found, and fo they ar.livered of other like wordes as occafion ferued. So faid Maximinus tiie A- » ^Kgufi.cont. rian Bifhop:' we v> II in r.o cafe reame words th.t are hcfids MAximihhx- thefcripture. SolaiedConftantiusthe empcrour beeing ' H./4r.co«f . brought to be a mainterner of the Arian Lerefie, * I w:ll onjtant. ^^^^ ^^ words V fed that are not writt^v. Now what was this bat meerc cauillation and fliifting , for tliough the worde ofAs'vioi be not found in the (cripture yet the matter & fig nification of the word is conteined m the fcripture, and thcrby is Cfarift prooucd to be i/j a V»o; ofthefam'efHhftance with Fpifiletothel^ng, 97 witlulic fatlicnSo Aihanafms aulvvcrfd; * Ihefe rvtrdcs ^^ifjaMfef. thfffhihj h notfonrJinthc fcrtitt.res yet haue the f.me q^oddct^ta. mu..ygih..th.i^r.purcstntcnde,.Um^^^ thcmviojcei^nsare rightly a jf died tohtarethetrmh. i^^^ funtcxftfiu. ianicynKvcrciioih Cyrillgiue,andby'fundrie other tx- 'CynUcTri^ aiijpUsiliavethtliat wordcs are rightly and trudy vied ^ntJiaLi- conccinmg God according to the meaning of the fcnp- turcswhid) yet htc rally are not found there, as that God is ir.ccn.irthtKjihle^ vr.jha^cble^inarfQmlL &c. Therefore didBafillprottficthatin intrcatingof ihctaith he ^^uld^ ^^^^^^^^^ vie " roi rdes that -were not win en^lutjet r.tt difigreetrgfrcm ^^ ^^^ the mccmtg of theft rij:tfire,words vpktchr.re not UttraUj the- Jellies J: t acnnc tnjcriptires^hnty. t doe retaine thefnje ar.d vrdcrjl^.rAingthireof, Now M.Bilhop knew well enough tbat\;c appiocue all thefe things as rightly fpoken^gainft the Ari«ni,; that we doc not fo rely vpon the written v\ ord asthatv^c d'-ny uhafocuer is not in very letters and fy 11a blesopreficdtherin, but only fuch points the n/aitcr anJ meaning v\ hereof cannot be iuiiified by the fcripture. ^ ^ .^ Wclaywitli G^^go^j NtzjatsuenX thit many' ^^'^^g^^^^''^ dtYf!s!!n(K coitamedii! ihcJcrt^tPfrciffhtchyet i.re ft Jpo^emhere^ ^^^orat.6. thcrciorc ly • ho/i thl g^ whn h rve reitdey as A uftin laiih to Maxinai:us,»^.' icnuiuejcme thirgs that we doe net read, OurSauiour'allcageth the ftnpture to prcouethe rc^ur '*•**• region ot the dead, Ir^m the Gcd cf tAbrahamy the God 9f,faactheGcdffU.cchyt\iu%i\Qt there written in thefc wordcs: the de^JAJ^ytfeaga:ne,S, V:xuU^dtfpu:tedhjthe*'^^*i7*^^' fcritKresthat lejusrvas thnJithcJAi^ii'^SiS^^^dthatheeTv^s to /if r andrijc rg:mefrcmthe dead: yet he found it not in . very words fctdowne that lefus was Chrtfl &c* So M.Bi- fhop knoweththat we profclle in the godhead trinity and Vnftyy tiiough wee doc not finde tiie wordes Trinity and VrMj any wnere in the I'cripture bccaufe wee finde in fcrip- ture tiie matter and meaninge for fignification whereof thefe wordes haue becnc receiucd. So he knoweth and he is offcndcdftt it that wcteach thataman before God is m- Q ibfied pS The anf^er to V. 'Bip^ops ftified by faith onely, becaufc the fcripturc in cSt^X faith foj tliough by die very words q\ faith onely ic be not fo exprcl- fed.So in our churches we'profeflc Chrift to be OjuyVtog re- fubjlantiallofthefamefubjiance vctth thefather and the holy ghofijSc therefore do not take part with the Arians in rc- leiimg what is not literally exprcfled in the fcripture,be- caufc we know tiic intent and fignification of that word is conteined tiierein,^ Now therefore what ihould bee the caufethat fliouid moue M.BiOiop to challeng vs as taking part With the Arians in that cauill; Surely I can gefl'e none but that being bulled inlthe ftudy of higher dininity he hath forgotten the ninth commaundcment: Thou (haft Kothearefa/fe vi>itmffs iiga'mji thy neyghbour. But we will deale frindly with him; hee ihali fee wee be no Arians ; let hill! fhewvs the matter and effe6l of his Tr^i^/ic'w jnthc fcripturcs as the fathers did concerning 6//o«'(rjo5, andwc wil neuer contend about the words wc are ready to accept and embrace the fame. Though we neither finde in the fcripture LMajfe nor TurgatcryyViov Pope,yet let them ihew vs in the fcripturc the thingcs which they mcancby thefc wordcs and they fliall finde vs ready to iaccord with them So for the reft let them doc the like, and wee willbce Pa- piftes as well as they. If they cannot fodoc,. the auncicnt jtitgHji.cont. dofilrine of the church tcacheth vs to beware of them, if lb '^(ITq' ^^y^*'^'*i^^^^'^A.uAin,eythercoKcerm^gChrifierco}7cer}7iKg . his church or concerning any thing pertaining to onr faith a'd If e fh all preach vnto vs any thing bnt ivhat wee haue received » De doS}. inthefcriptures of the law andthe gofpell^accurfed be he And ChrifiA i.c.9 . why f becau{e ' m thefe things faith he which are plainly fet downe in the/criptures are found al things that belongtofatth k Bafil.Ethic. ^^^ y^ hauiour oflfe* And '' //, faith h^Ciiywhatfoeuer is not **^' ° of faith be fmne yank faith come by hearings and hearing by the word ofgodyfurely whatfoeuer is be fide the holy fcrtpture 1 ,j r becaufe it is net of fM^ it is fmne ; fo that it is ' #e manifcjl (itffidt. trejpajje offatth andaplainefmne ef pride either to reteit ante thing that is conteined in the fcriptftre or bring in anie thing Epijile to the J^ng, pp th^t is not rvrittoithiretn. "" Let him pjcvpe that it is yvriiteriy ^TittulUdu^ faith Tcriullian: lfithey:6tvprittcriLthm^fefirt'tijen>ce that iLmogen. isfroricfmccdto the m that adde or take^rp^y* For'' all things " Chryjofi.m arc clcereard fUwe by the holy ScrtfturtSy layth Q\ii^io-'^'^^"R*^- (\ovnc IfVhat/oeficrth/r'gs are neujfarie, thty are wantfcjl. • opl'mperfiSl Y€2 And Uncc ° her f/ies hane gcttctt place in the iht.nhy there in Math. htm* ur.oirialUftrHe C hrijliamtie^ no refuge for them that dejire 40. to hiewe n huh is the true faith t i>ut cne/y the Scriptures of Ccd : no rvAytoknoTfv nhich is the true church cf Chriji , hut onelybythe Scrtpt^res* Our Lord lefus kncrfing that there wcula be tn the L'.Ji di^yes great ccrftifiony do:h thirifcre Tvi/l that C hrtjitans dcfirtng to haue ajfu ranee of trucfaith.Jhoulde fite to nothing bp:tto the Scriptures, Otheircijc ifihtyloike to other th:ngs^theyPja'lJiumble^Andfa!lyC^per:Jh^not l^jcve- mg mhich ts the true churc hy and thereby lighting vptn the ub- huimnaticn if defolation^ rrhichjhalljiand in the holy places of thedokrch. This is the thing M. Bilhop , iliat you fcckc for,tobrirgvstocleftrii6licn : to make vs bondmen to Antichrilt, towinncvstoapproue and honour as you doe the abhcmination ofdeJolattonjV/hich hath feated it felfc in the holy places of the church. You bring a woe andia curie vpon your fclre, according to the wordcs of Auitin and fcrtullian, andyoudefire to haue vs partakers with you therein. But God forbid that wee il;ould hearken to you therein , and therefore acccrding to tlicirilru^^ion and aduilc of thcfe auncicnt Fathers, w ec will sdn.it no- thing for matter of taith, hutwiir.tniaybeiuftifiedby the Scriptures, yctnotreieftingany dc6lririeior any vnvvrit- tenwordesortermes,folongasthe matteiand meaning thereof may be warranted by tiiat tiiat is w rittcn. 12, W. Bishop. Kcniiis a barbarous VerJIan indeed yet iJiJhtrv a counter- T^Uephlkio, feited Chrifitanlis noted/or 0»e'pfthefirji <.:mcrg Chrifliansy eap.ij, thatinuejedagawji the images cf faints ^^nd the vporjhtp done 0 J Irf 1107- * tXtr. 1 1. 1 J 1 oo 71)6 ^nfwer to D. ^i[f)op by trHeChrijlians vrtto them : as both Nicephorus and Ce- drenus in coinpcndio doe record. The reprobate levies in~ deeds befurehim^and after euenvntill this day ^ themijcreant THrkes (^enemies of all Chrifiianity )do drpellfiillin the fame error: ^ndyct is not thismofi vehemently auerredbyourprc^ tej}amsya^d all Csluiniiis: although they cannot dentebnt that abotie goo.yeires agoe^ in the Jecord genet f.ll Councell holdenat Nice -they are by the confent of the befi , and mcji learned ofthewGrldjforcHeracctirfedyth^.t doe deme reue^ rence andworjhip^ to begimn vnto the Images of Saints. R Abbot, In idle tales they Iiauc becnc wont to fay , that howfo- euerthe deuilldifguifchiaifclfc, yethee is to beeknownc by a polt-foot. Howfoeucr it be in the appearance of the deuill, wee are fure that it is fo in his inftruiucnts & agents thiAhowibeucr * they transforme themfelues as if they were the mintflersofrighteoufnejfei yet one way cr otlier th.cy bewray thcmfelucs by what fpint the yfpeakc . Surely, if there were nothing elfctliat did di(couer vnto vs that M* Biihop is a teacher ofHesand falihood, yetthis point that hcere liee fpeaketh of, is fufficient fully to afiure vs tJierc- of. He feitetli before vs heere to eate the very excrement & filth of Antichi iftjthe ftinke whereof is fo lothfome that it cannot but be extremely olfenfiue to any man that hath any true feeling of a Chriltian heart. What, woud hec ^ n 1 ^^*"^ ^'5 ^^'^"^ ^^^^ ^^8^^ ^^ ^^^ ^^ rcturne to tliat groffc fiitttMh i.'cap, and palpable Egyptian darkeneflc 5 as that like (t;nfcleflc JO beads we fhould lie tumbling agame before dumbe idols,^ l^jttgufi.cont and worfliip ftockcs and Itones, and lift vp our handes to %, Efifi.vtUg pf gy jQ jjj jt vvhich is die worke of the handes of another I J "&^^j„f »nan ? Farrc bee it from vs euer to yeelde our hearts to fo FA»fl. Manich. vilcand hatcfullabhomination,fr/>^w?i/r/J;/>4W dutietf lib i^j-a^. X I . religion, as '' La6lantius and " Aullin teach, weeferne onely the true God^ ^ The ^po^le^ faith tlie (ame S, Auftin , for^ biddeth Epi/lle to the IQtj^. 101 i?iddcth rdgiousworpfif to be giucntoanj creature^ ncytlicr can it be applied to any ' vpithout verong andtnii.rj to the di ■ ' ^^'i'"- font, uinemauhie: ^ not tc m,^.rtyrs or S^tnts^ not to tiic« b/ef- f '!{"'" ''^•''' flavtrgtn Murie :t\oX.* to ^dngcLsnor Archangels, mrany p-i^dam Cyrill n^mc that is tu:med in this rvcrld or m thj rror/dto r<7W- pawne vs and fell vs : orbcingof brafle or other mettall ^'^"P-'i- wc are turned to pofnets, and potts and pannes , and we ^^ h.iuenoknowled»ewhatanyotthemdoevntovs. Ifyec • . ^ ^. will not " worfhip them that hauc made vs , much Itflc Tja^fi^g""'* thinke it fitte to worfliip vs.And indeed a very brutidi and «* Ori^en.tont. fenlelefle deuotion it isfor a rcafonable nun to ^ babble to c ifMt> 1. ($- 6. the walks and to talkc vnto dead things, and being him- ^'""- >^ '''*•»» fclfe *' the image of God toabieft himlelfe to vvorHiip the f /Jf^/./? • « image of a man, nay the very earth thathec treadcth vn- /^^ ^ ^^j, ,g * dcr iiis feetc : forwhatarcimagesbutvileearthand dult? • ^tuir.fm which 'for their fafliion and beautie arc beholding to the cmtraidvu. workcman that made them, and therefore fhouidthem- ^"^^■''■•l'"--'^ O3 fclue./"^^^'^ 10^ TI?ej{nf^ertoV,^ifhops felues rather'worfhip him at whofe mercy they ftood whc- tJier to make them ti oughts tor the fwine or faints for the church. 1 wote well whcit Jiey are readie here to an/were that they worihip not the Imi.gcs themfcluej* but by d^c images they doc wori hip to tlie Saints. Wherein they fay f ori'ren.cantra "oihiiig but * what the idoIatTous gentiles of old layd^ in Ceifumab.S. defenfe of dieir idols. But as the auncient church anfyvc- redthofc idolaters, fodoe wee anfwerc to idolatrous pa- * t-aSi.infiitut. piits,if they ' belceuc the Saints whom they worlhip to be ^iVb^c^ mheauen, why doc they nothfcvp their eyes thither if Gentei hb.6. ^^^^Y ^"•'"'^^ necdes worfliippe them to worilup them where they arcrvvho are not to be worfhipped,if tlicyfee not what men dee orheare not what they pray : and it they thinkc they doe fo, why doe they not din dly but thus by attur- ncyandat (econdhand performc their deuotions vnto them , as if they could not fee but by their eyes that can" not fee, nor hearc but by their cares that cannot heare, nor know what men do vnto them but as they he wallow- ing at the feete of dumbe and (enfcles idolU ? And if we • Ldft^ytfup, thinkchim out of his witte that " ftandeih babhng'to a mans pi6lurc or image when lie lliould and may fpcake to the iiian himfelfe,why is it not thought a ftupid and ienfe- Icffe thing,contumelious and reprochfull vnto tiie Saints, to fit mumbling of prayers to ttockcs and blockesthatarc intended to them, and m honour 3c word jp to cqu^ill , as they dojcuery bale and vile idol to thofe hcauenly & hkf- ' ^rnokcont, f^^ foules ? And how do they " know that their images are hke to them whofe names dieybearc, or that a ridiculous /^ crrour be not committed to worfhip John a Noke by that "T that is more like lohn a Stile: or that as Praxiteles made cheim^cotVcnus by the countenance ofCratinaand many other by Piiryne^who both were renowmed harlots r LttLyiuts d» ^^*® ' the painter mentioned by Ludouicus Vines pain- cenfur,yeri. ^^ *^ women like to his owne wife : fb the workeman Uift. /^^.hauemade the image of our Lady to the fhape offome ^ finuuonorcurciranUiachchiaifeUvisinloucwidiall, and Epijlle to the I\iri^. i o ? fo ic come to pafle diat ' fcruicc bee done to a harlot » ^,„g ytj^p inlleedeoFa Saint , and this pitifull dcuocion by faJ/c counterfeits be deluded f It is indcedc a pitifull dcuocion.- for the Saints whom they protellc to worOiip 'knowvs not,norare acquainted with vs, and therefore tlic vvor- *^f*y^i'^^ fliip tliat IS done to tlieir images muft nccdes determine in tile images themfekics. And though tliey know e vs or were with vs, yet, as before iiath beene fliewcd, we w^rc j not to per forme vnto them any fpirituall deuotion of rcli- ' gion, but to their images much leile. And furcly fo farrc were the firft Cliriftians from hking of the wcrfliipping of images, as tliatthey wholly dilliked tiie^'artc of Jmagc-b f/,„ ^/,j, making , and thought it not lawfuU to bee pra6tired by inTmrtpt. * them.lt was ' Marcellina the llrumpet of Carpocrates ^'''i5'»."n'r4 the herctickc, that firft after the "^ Simonians brought in f'^^*""*''^-^ ^ amongft Chriftians the wcrfliipping of images, bearing ^ol'^fyjT'j men in hand,that' Pilate tooke thepifture of lefus when h^r.j. heewas vpon the earth, and fliec had the countcrfaites ** £»f«^«^i/?or thereof, which with the images ot Paul andHomcr^ and''^-^'*^*/;' '3- Pythagoras and others fhec deuoutly ferued. It was con- \ ^^'"'j'^' ' tinued afterwards by the ^ CoUyridian heretickes, and in yg!'ci^"'i^'^an. tiiem condemned by Epiphanius, They made images of die virgm Marj', and w orfhipped them , and oiJered to them,whichhetermetha^.<'»i/(/^ pra5i:fcyind auoucheth that fo to doe is to i^oe a r^hoor.ngfrom God* S. Auihn men- tioneth^ VtElHran.m adoratores , tvorfhippers of pi^ures : t^ygu^uTfinM noting them for ig^ornt andfitperjiitiousperfons and con- '"onbut ecc/tfid- dtnjnfdhy the church. In the time of Gregorie the bifliop ^"^^'"/iM/yt. i.. ofRonie the fuperltitiousvfe thereof began to grow fur-^'*^*^'* ther. The images of Saints began to bee [fet vpp in the ^ churches and to bee worfhipped. Serenus the bifliop of jfl MafTiIia was mightily oifended heercat, and caufcth the ^^| i mages to bee broken and caft away. "" Gregorie writeth b (j^^^^ ^^^ ^^ to Iiim chat he would not haue had him to breake them, e^,/} 'j 09. ^r becaufe they migiit fcrue as hee tliought for fomemftru-/;Z'.5>.£y»*^.jj.. (5lion and remcmbrauncc to fimple peoj^'le , but yet commendeth; 1 04 77;e MftXfer to ©. ^ijhops cominendct!i hii. zealc that lie would not: endure that any thingfijould he worjhippeiltbat is m::ds withhandeS) and tel- \tt\\i\\n\ythAt heefljculd forbid the fecp'e the worjhtj^phg cf themlthatthiywerenottobefettnchmch'stobs tvcr/hipp(d becafi/e ti ts wrttcK, ThouJh,^.it v. or^tv th: L.rdthy Gid^nd him ordy thotfJhalifertie^Hzx. atterwards the Eifbop ot Komc letting vpptliekiiigdome of Antichnll with ftrong hand made wa)' for this Jibliominableiuolatry, andlcttlcd it in the church : and akhough the fearcllill vengeance of God denounced by the Apolllefcr thisfinnc hauefinceemi- 'B^m.ut^.xS nently hghtedvponthcm,God' dehuerirgthemyp to vile afelHons^ (b that tlie ftinke of their vndeane d filthy lull, their Sodomy and vnnaturall bcafthnefle was grownc -1 lothfome both to God and men: yet they continue Itill to defend this horrible facriledge, that the prophecy of S, jpic 9.20. JqI^^ ^^^y jj^ verified in them ',^lhe remnant cfmen rehich T»:re not killed with thefe plagues wherof he hath there fpo- ken, repented not of the works's efi heir hay. ds that they might notvporfhtp diuels and idols of geld and of Jiluer and cfhrajfe and offlone andofveoodyvhi.h neither can feenor het.re nor go ' TftHt.i 1.17 calling it the worfhipping ofdemls^ as Moles did when hee (ayd of the Ilraelites, ' 7 hty offered to demls and not t9 Godj not according to the intention of the pcrfonsj but accor- ^Ai^uflcont dino to the truth of the thine ■" beecaufe deuils are preft lib.iz.(ap. 1 7 ^"** readie at idols and images to receiue the honours that are done vnto them vndcr pretence of doing honour and worfhippe to Saintes in heaucn. And thus M. Bilhop makethhimfelfc a patron and defender of this worfhip- ing of deuils, and vfeth the belt witte hec can to perfwade hismoft excellent maieftie to bee a promoter andfarthc- rer thereof. But his colours arc falle and deceiifull neither can he fo varnifh his idols but that his Maicltie is able to difcernc tliat they arc but bafe and rotten ftuffc. Firlt hec faith that Xenaias a barbarous Perftan was the frfi that in- *g^^^'^"**'vaghedagaiyfl$hewor[htppinoofSai:jtsiTmgef:hutt\^^ ' *'* mccli to be ameere dcuil'c oTthe idol-monger " Tharafius in Epijlle to the l\ing. 105 intlicfccondNicenecouncell thereby tocaft apreiudicc lagainll ihcm that would reproue that idolatry for that lo o£^^„^/„a ibadamanas-Sf^^rf/^/did the like, for this ° Xenaias was ub!*^"f.^x,' I an Eutychian hcrctickc a very feditious, & turbulent man Ithatopporcdhimfeltcagainllthe councellof Chalcedon inbehalt'eofEutychcsandDiolcorus, as may appeare in Euagrius by an cpiltlc of the monkes of Paleftina concer- ning him. But of this matter of inueighing againft vvor- fliiping of images there is nothingrrecordtd till long after by Nicephorus and Cedrenus who were to ready to enrer- taine any tale that might fcruefore the furthering of their idolatry. And indeede there was no reafon of his inucigh- ingagainft woriliiping of images inafmuch as it is not found that there was anie Chriitian church in the world wherein images,were vfed to any fuch ende; And if vpon occafion he had fo done Jie could not in thofe daies haue bene accounted an herctickc lor itj'becaufe the whole cur- rent of the fathers of that time witli full and mainc ftreamc runneth the fame way : fo vtterly vntme is it which M. Bifhop faith that true chriJiMns then dniworjhip to imc.ges of y5i/«/,neither can he bring any pregnant example thereof throughout the whole world. Another preiudice by him alleaged is,thatlcwesand Turkes haue condemned and doe condcmne the worfliippingof images, But had Friar Bcllarmine and his fcholer M*Bilhcp lo little vndcrftan- dmg, as to thinke it a good argument for the worflupping of images that lewes and Turkes dee condcmne it: Wc conceiue there is reafcn to argue another way .^ as our Saui- our Chriildid from the example of the Niniuites againfl • the lewcs/Z/^f men cfNtmuie^allriJe vj ttidgiirer.t txtth •* M«iith,\x.^u this gcr.iraticn (.rdfli .' U cc'/idtmne it,fcrthcy r(fcr.t(dat the preachtKgoflenas.c^c. Or as Aiiflm doth from the ex- ample ct the lewes againft the Aiians*.'' Ecu, melligutjt^ Ji,„ n- ludxi qucdr.on intelligttnt ^riar.il (ce^the ItTves 'vndtrftar.d igg„"^f^fi^^-\^ that vphich the Brians doe not vnderji^-.nd^ that Chrift ?.ffir- mcth himfelfe to be cquall to the Fathet, It was no reafon P why 1 q6 The Jnjwer to D. 'Bijhops why the Arfans fhould[not beleeue that Chrift was cquall to the Father, becaufe the lewcs fo concciued otthc words of Ghri(t;but itwas rather an argument of their ex- ceeding great blindncfle that in Cliriib wordes could not fee that which the levi'e slaw. In hkc fort we may fay: Be- hold, Turkesandlevvesfec that which thefe bhnde Pa- piiics cannot fee. Theydilcernebythecommaundement of God that it is an abhoiiiinable thing to fall downe to an. imagCjto worOiipitandpray to it, andfuch is the grollc darknes wherein Papifts dwell, as that they take it to bee a matter of great deuodon. Therefore Turkes and lewes fhallnf? in lu jgement againft the Papifts, and fhall con- dfimne them^becaufc they haue learned by Gods lawe to. hate that idoUtrie which the Papilh againftthc piaine law of God fo wilfully mainteine, Andjwell may Ifay wil- / fully, when in all their Catechifmes wilfully and of pur- jf^ (Pofc they fuppreffe the fecond Commaundement,where- hy the people fliould learne to dctcft that abhomination. Laft of all M.Biflioptelleth vs in behalfe of his idols, that wee cannot d?ny, but that aboue poo.y ecres agoe in the fe- cond general Councel holden at Nice they are by the cojent of the be ft andmofi learned of the world for euer ac cur fed th ■:t do deny reference ^' voorpJtp to begimto the^.images of faint i^ ButIfee,M,Bifhop,thatyoudoenot know what we can doe.Wc both can and doe denie that they were the bed or moft learned ofthe world that pronounced that curfe, vnlelTe you meane the world as Chrilt doth when hee faith, 'Ltth i6 ?. ' ^^' ^^^^^^^^ of this world are wifer in their * generation th.nthechtldnnoflight.V^lQ deny not but fuch a Coun- cell there w.aSjby the procurement of Eirenc, thatidola-i. f trous and wicked Emprefle,butit wasUke the Counccll of' «i«Ki»jr.ia i? Ahabsfoure hundred prophets, of whom Michcas faide vntohim, ^The Lord hathpMt a lying fpirit in the month cf all thefe thy prophets. It might well be faide of thqm chat t -Efa. 15?. 1 4« God ' kadmiugled amongji them thefpirtt of errotir /) th.n a ^m 1 1.8. ^1^^^^ ^^^^ ^1^ ^g drmkin men\ that he " had giftcn th:m the Jpirit: Epijlle to the IQrj^. j ^y ffirit effumb(r.f (Jtid ^fent themjlrong deltijlons to beleeue ^ ^ ^ t9 wakt lies. 1 here is that wrclling and abufing of iiohe ' ^•^'"^•** * » • Scripture, fuch falfifyuigofthe writings of the Fathers ("uch allegations ot ablurd and lying woonders, fo manic brainficke and witleflc condufions, as that it may well be thought, thatGodbyiuliiudgcmentgauethcmvpto a reprobate fenfe, and depriued them ot common vndcr- llandmg, lo farre were they from fliewing themlelues the bell or molt learned of the world, as M, Bilhop would . haue vs to thinke ofthem. Let one of them, 1 doubt not but M.Bifliop will fay the beft, fcrue for example of all the reft, ^ Adrian the bifliop of Rome for the commcn- r 2^,v,„^^,„f;^ ding of images citcththefe places ot Scripture ; ' /« that i,^a,i.Et>,ji,' I day fljallthe altar of the Lord he itithe widdep cf the land of ■Adrian.f^c. \ E^ftj and a pillar by the border thereof vnto the Lord* Gio- ^ ^f"^' ^9' ^9 rie and hcnour are before him.Lordy ^ ihaue louedthe beauty b p^; §* o* of thy houfe^ andthe place rvhere thy glory dwelleth. ' Ihy^Jjl^ * : face Lcrdyvtlllfeeke. ^ All the rich of the people pj a II make •* 4^** ' their fuppltcatiofj before thee. No doubt he was a profound derkc that could diuc fo deepe into thefe texts as to findc images therein. Butagainft this idoll- gracing conuenticle and conlpiracie, there was gathered looncs^er in thefc Wefternc parts at Franckford in Germany another coun- cell, lb mmoned by the Edi6l of Charles the Great, wherein were a great number of Biflicps of Germany, Frauncc, aid Italy, who determined by the woorde of God, and tcftimonies of the former auncient Church ,— -. Y againft the worlhipping of Images, and decreed that »>^ ^^7/ i J^a that NiccneSy node which haddc eltabhfhed the fame ^ y^^ ^^^^ U ^^ fliould bee holden forno other hwx. Vfeudofyncdnsy a ^ASi«/yt^'t"<-^'/'-"f1 falfe(^QHncellorfjnode : they examined all the allcgati-/ ons ot the fame Councell and fliewed than to bee \vcU pertinent and falfe: and of the Acts thereof, becaulc Charles the Emperourwas a dealer in the matter him- felfe, was a booke putfoorth vnder his Vizxnt^Ltbcr Ca- rt' roliMMni contra f}wd*mi ddnuigiHtbujuhc hooke ofQharls Pt the 1 08 77;^ ^nfwer to D. ®//7;jf 1 the great ag4infi the conncellthiit decreed for images The • lioTtr.mtu- ^^^^^^ * Charles at the fame time fenc oucr into this Hand den.contimat. oFBritaineacopy of thclame Nlccne counccU to haue a B*d£.part.K iuJgement thereof, which A!binus fingularly confuted anno. 79X. jjy authoritie of holy fcriptures, as haumg decreed that which was accptrfedhythe chun h of(jod, and the lame an- fA'ere was fent ouer m the name of the bifliops and princes of this land. Yea and before that Nicene counceil there was a counceil holden by the Emperour Conltantius Copronymus of which there is mention made in the lame f j£}.6.i:^ctn. f jvjjccne counceil which fo much dctefted the worlhiping ©f images as that it decreed the abandoning of them alto- gether. We haue thereforetwo counceits againft M. Bi- ihops one, and in his ownc counccli wee fin Je nothing to mooueaman well aduifed to'woriliip an image ,but m the other we find fufficieat inftru6tion from the word of God tolearnetodetelt thelame. And thus wee are at length come to an end of M» Bilhops herenes wherewith he choughtgoodtochargethedo6trine of our church tand hetherto we lee his breath is no gun-lhot ; hec laboureth much and auaileth little : iheweth a great dcale of malice, and a fmali dcale of wittthus to cry out herefte herefie^ and able to prooue no herefie at all, it being made apparant that our church in the matters whereof hee fpeaketh doth affirmenothingforwhicluthathnot the cxprcfliis tefti- mony and warrant of the old church. Ij. W. B I s H o p 1 will omttfundry other heades of the Vroteflants Religiony by aUapfraoMedantieimierefrooHedyand condemned that I ft.tffe not the hounds of an Eptslle^andfeeme ouer tc dwus vnto yonr Maieflie^ Efpecially cofidering that thefe are fajficient^to conuince that thy/epoints^ whertn the Troteflants r.jfrme the frefent church of Rome y to hamfofarre degenerate from the auncient ) are the Viryejfentiallparts of faith, then maintai- ned Fpisile to the k 7g 1 09 neii hy the Rnmans : ^nd the contrarie opKtons nothing elfcy hut wickcd he re fie s , cfold tmientedy and obfimately htld a- fai»/tthi.fiime^KomAnSc^, ettenas \hiy are now m^ur time (irAofoldalfi coyidemncdly the Jame church m h.r mofi fljvrtjip'g ^ini hiji ifiMe.Wherfore yonr mofl excclletitmait' fite^hemt rejolt^te in thra fiygular goodofinion{that no church oi-.ght further to depart from the c htrnh of Rome thenfhce is dipart^dfrom herfeife ivi herfljunjhing efiAte)mufi net ds re cai/the church of Engl ind^fromfnch exrrauagant opinions, to toyne rvtth the R^truin church in theforefaid articles ^ which fheetn herb fi time h Id for parts of pnrefa.tth : Andtn all othersalfo vphuh they cannot direillyprcoHe ( in a lawful I di- fputatton before J mr Aiattfiie ) to hune beer.e altered by hcr^ pArticPiUrly naming the point of T)o^ri/ie: the author of the chaunge: the time and place y where andnhen he lined I Tvho folkwed him^who refificd him^andf^ch other I ke ctrcumftan^ cesy whkh all be eafcly (hewed in eueryfuch reuolt or mnouati" on^ beca'ffe the vigtUnt careo' the Vafiors ofChrifiesfocke, haue heene alwaisfc great^tu no fuch things could be znkncwn letjlippey or vnrecorded* i ious m!4chformyfirfi reafon^ccUeBedfrom the vntrtith of the Vrotejiants religion, R. Abbot. Now that we haue taken away M. Billiops prcmifl'es it is no hard matter to gefle what will become of Ins coiiclu- fion. Uc drcametli he hath conumced much againll vs, when indeed all chat hee hath done, is but to conuincc himfclte of Ignorance & folly .We are agreed that the an- cient Roman faith be mamtemed. It hath beene iullilicd that thel-aithwluchweprofcfle is the auncient Roman faith. Now therefore his moji excellent Maicfiie beingrc-- f^luteinth.^tfi^giiiirgoodopintonythAtno chy.rch ought fW- th rto depart from the chur. h of Rome the n fhieis departed from her felfe m her parifbing ifiateyWva^ ncedes detclt , P 3 Poperic no TT^e Anpper to D. 'Bifjops popericasawickcd Apoftafie from the auncicnc Ro- manc faith, and continue the church of England in the Religion alreadie eftabliOied by law according to the prefcript rule of the word of God,and the example of the mollauncientRoiuane Church. iVbwhe would make his Maiefty belceuethat ihtt^Tdc/Hndry other heads cfoftrre' ligioH wherein hee could iliew that wee iiaue 1 vvarued from the old faith: wonder but hee would tell vsasBriftow did » Bri/lJe- that wc haue renewed " twmtj fine cldherejies at the lea(i* ftntund. 3 8 anddeuifedat leaji a thoupindof our owne, i hey are noble, ladds and will not loole the whetftone for want of tongues But indeed M.Bilhop hath fpitt the worft of ins poiibn al- ready and by that that he hath fayed we haue caufe lightly to efleeme of the reft that he can fay. But the reft that hee can fay I fee is but little: his purpofe is to put vs to the iumpe to fay for our felues : for he would haue his L^laie- Jfy to icue rvtth the church ofRcme in all other articles vehich roe cannot direBly^rooHetn a lawfull di/putation before his Alaiefiieto haue beene altered by hrr ^particularly naming the toint of do^rineythe author ofthe chaunge^ the time andplacc ivhere and tvhen he linedy whofoihj$ed him^ who rejifleahinty mdfuch other like circumjlunces* wlStt? and muft wee Iiaueallthisadoetoproouean alteration J^^the Phyfi- cian hauing left M. Bifliop well in health in thc%€gmiiing oftheyeerecometohim intheendeand giue himtovn- ^erftandthat hee is ouertakenwith theiaundice or the drop fie, will hee not belecue him vnlefle hee can tell him when 6l vpon what occafion he began to change : When I fee the hand of the diall remooued from one to two, fhall I be fo mad as to thinke it flandcth ftill where it was , becaufelcouldnotdifeerncthe ftirringofit: Polititians oblerue that corruptions are bred in common wealths as difcales are in bodies : they are not dilcerned but in their growth, and infenfibly they proccede many times till it j[/"**"^''* ' ' *^°"*^ ^° P^^'^ ^\bandman c tuti theencmy fliould take his opportunity to fow tares in the '' ^ * Lords field : How is it that in the ^ forehead ef the tvhoore ^ ^ftc, 17. y, ef Babylon is writt:f7, ^ myfierie, and that the working of Antichrilt is called ' ^myflerie oftniqHitie,h\x. htQAwic* i^^Thtff.z.y myftically, coucrdy, fecrelyhe iliall vvindehisabhomi- nations into the church of chnll ; eucn as the Apoftle S.Pcterfaith of the/rcjt)/;f/j-thatfliould comcthat^;?n- uily they fhall bring in damnxhlc herefies* S. Aullin (aich that ^ * "Ptt.z. i» in his nmt^all wasfull of humane frefiimptionsroith the fer-- 7rAfii(ta.^owh uile burdens whereof men were fofrejfed as that the I erves e-^ '^'^^"^'*f^fi*' fiate vnder legaUceremcmss was mere toL rable then the Ji ate "^* ^f^^-z/^i/w/.Now M. BiOiop belike can tell that which S» Auftin could not tell by whome thefe prefumptions came into the church, wliat they were, the time and place when and where they began, who followed and who refilled tiicm, bccauff the z//^/ //«».'■ cv/^-e ofthefafiorsofchrijiesflocke hath alwaies becne f:4ch as nofnch things Jhould be V'^k^c^wenj ^ BibUa yul'5. text of the Scriptures : Ifthere were any errouis therein, furcly MBilliop, 1 trow can tell vs by whome they firft came in, where and when they firlt began,and wlio found fault therewith, becauje the vigtlant care of the pa Hours of chrtjlsfloc kjpath beene dwaiesfnch as r.ofuch things could be vnkn'wnc^ letJUppc or vy.n corded* What was the caule of the late reforming of their Porte lies and Primers wln^n for vciy 112 7??^ Anfwzre to 2). 'Bijhopi * Breuiar in tranjlat. S. TbtTH, Cantudr. \ i> p ffi ^^^y Hianic they would iio longer continue to v(e them as \ZtMlr.yu'r. they had done : Was it as the Pope fayde, that ' they were 'nnflruformt jUledwtthv.tiyjeazdfuferJlttijuserronrSj and that manic things were crept into them which were" ftdUfvncertam- k Tr.tf4t,breui. f.earJ much amrjfs ? Let it appcare, M.Bifliop, by wiiom ^m.Ttformat. thofc fuperftitions wcrcbrought in,where andvvlien they firftgrew, whofoIlowediheaAjWho refilled themjOrelic require co haue your Portefles in like fort as you had thciii before that dill you may fing of Thomas Becker, ^ Th per ihoma fanguinem <^uempro te impendit F^c nos Chrtjiefcizndire qm Thot»as afcendit ^ By the bloudofl hcmasrvhichfor thee he d'.dfpexdy Make vs 0 Chrtjl to climbe whether Thonu^s dtd ajcend^ becaufethc vigilant care of 'the Tajiors ofChnfies fie eke hath alwayes beene fuch as th^t no fitch inmtiations couli bee v/'knowney letjlippe^ or vnreccrded. Or it tlie care of the Palfors of the church of Rome haue not beene fuch but that fo many fuch enormities of corruptions and fuperftitions grew into the very text of Scripture, and the Portefle and church-leruice,may wee not thinkc that much more in other matters by uant of care and vigi- lancy in the paftors, corruptions and errours might fpring vp in the church and haue libercie tofpreade and grow therein .'Now wee doubt not but fuch hath beene the watchfulnefle ot Satan that he hath omitted no occafions that poflibly might bee taken to adiiancage himfelfe to get ground, and gainc tohisfonne Anticlirilta kingdomein the church. Who laying continuall fiege to tliis lerufalem the city of God hath beene woont like a politicke warriour with mainc force to afl'auk it on feme one fide that the ftrcngth of the cittic being gathered thither for defence he might the more fecurely vndermine it other- where. For thus by notorious hcrctickcs the Carpocratians, Valen- tinians, Bafilidians, Marcionires, Manichees, Arians, and others oppugning the great cowers and fortre (Tes of ChriiliaQ A Epijlle to the Kffg, 1 1 j Cliriftian faith, hce inightilic bu6ed the fathers of th§ church that whilcft they were forced tolookejas 1 may iaic totheii^ainchar.ceand therefore were perforce thelcflc heedy otherwifcj hce might take his opporuiiity flcaling- \y to get in firil a fiiigcr,and then a thumb,and then a hand 6c an arme and fo the reft till at length he had by his lieu- tenant fully leated liimlclfe in the temple of G CD, and brought the outward ftateolthe church in a manner who- ly in lubie^ion to himfelfe. And to this purpcic Vx laied hij foundations euen in thetimiC of the Apoitlcs, fotbat they giue to vnderft ad that " the my fit ry of tmquity veas the ^^^ , . irc;v^»^,and ihit^t^nttchrijittienthen rvas alreadyln the , j jj,^'.'?' world, Thcn'didheelabourbythefallc Apoftlestocor- ' ruptthe dc6irine of iuflificationbyfaith,asappear€th h^ the epiftle to the Galatians.Then did hee feekc to perucrt men by counterfeit mcflages and writingcs vcdcr the • ♦ z.rf)r'#o»!i>>f4- of conui^led by the Euangelift ^«Iohn was depoTed for tAlo^.tal. his paines* But well is it noted by Egefippus that '^fo loKg ffri^t,tnt*i* AS the K/i^cfiles lined the ihurch comnHtd a virgin & vr.ccr~ J a"/*/''*"^'^' ruftfdJeteAchersfcr that time ly.rkii^gmfecret, becaufc •3«f''*y tlicy found the Apcftlcs ftill ready to checke and croflc tbcir attempts:^;/? rphen the ^fcjiles were dead atrdth^tge- mratio'^- was gone which hadimmedtatly with their cwne ears heard their f re^ihifg of falnation^ then a ccnjprtxy ofwitkfd erroir began by the ledncements cf fitch as dcUtured firarge deBrir e, and boldly f reached af^lfely-n^med-knowledge a- g^nji thi'preathiy.^ cfthe truth^ hecctifi there was none if the ^poJllesremainingtocoxtrouUethcm. Then freely did there flyabroadan infinite number of counterfeit and apociy- p'hall writings/ //;^^r_/^tf/r •f Taddeus, cfUk'athias, cf "<^'H-i'<***' Veter^of leanusy cf BarnabuSyofThcrrtasy of Andrew : the '' ^^^^ * ^Els if 1 hcmas, of Andrew, cffhilip : the Renelaticns of VaHl^oflhonMS^cf Stephen : the bocksofthcnatiuityof our 1 1 4 Tl?e Anper to 2). %ijhops Samourand ofUMaryandher midjvif e^^nd a grcatnumbcr more of fuch deuifes. 1 hen went deceiiiers abroad to : E»fth,eccltf. report what Urulnw tmd 'Pettr and Vhilif and the reft had hiftM'i.ca.ip j;ifde and done^ to whom ' Papias gaue earc and was by * ikid. jjj^j^ drawne into crrour and himfcltc by that meancs i^SM^cccafionoferroHrto many Ecclefiaftkall mettthatrejpe-' ^ed him for his antiqHitieyViHi for that he was fo neerc to the very time of the Apoftles* In hke fort thofe baftard wri- tings which iuftly deferued to be confumed in die fire yet many times got creditc with the Fathers of the Church, as » Chryfofl.tp. ^,jjj^ Chryfoltome " theteregrinatton ofTeUr^ fathered vp- TJi^lyT.'tf^oTi Clement; with Ambrole and Cyprian the "fable of 7Vr-« 8 j^ * f/<;i:wich Origcn ^ the gof^ell according to th* Hebrtwes the ■ Cjbrian.srau Epift/e ofBamAbus and fundry other: with Clemens Alcxr "B fr4ma7tyr.fir siiMn.us'^ tJje preaching of'Teter: witli whole churches ' f*b diepajfto- ^y^^ . Reuelation ofVetennd the ludgement of Veter^ and ' Ton ent, that was the deuifer of them. Some afperfion where- *'£ff/r/.ii,ii. othis care was tocaft vponthe 'mafters of the ajfemi/tej the Do6lours and teachers ofthe church,, and with hu- mane refpe6ls to miiland dazle their eies, as knowing that it would little auaile him to plead the value of meane per^ fons and notorious hereticKes, and therefore feeking to grace his deuilcs with the credit and authocitie of greater xiame&: ^Jlle to the IQng, 1 1 c names : but fo as tlut by tlieprouidcncc of almighty God there rcmaincth a (ufHcicnt light amongft, them for the j rectifying oftliofe things wherein they fwarued from tiut I ilrcight and euen path which the Apollles had trodcn I outtordircftionvncotJ)em . Which God wilhng ftiall be made veiy pregnant Sc cleerc in the handling of rhofe points, wherinM*Bilhop hath taken vpon him mbehalfc ottheRomifh church to oppugnc the doctrine of our diurch* Albeit there are fomcthmgs in their pradlile and defenic whereby their ihame is laied open in all the reft: whereof tlic firft church wliich receiued ^ all tht courifeli i ^^^^^ of GmiHi, C^z nuts r 1 6 Tl^e JnJ%ey to D. 'Bi/hops )w»/aprieft, aman for his famous learning, to know his Judgement thereof , who then wrote againll it iiis bookc De cor pore & f anguine Domini '. Of the body and hloud of enr Lord : and by ftrong arguments and authonnes oi the Fathers, impugned that new deuife.'wiiich booke the Spa-i nifhCenfours woulde not haue to be wholly lupprelfed ^becatije forfocth we Poo'ldnot fay that they m^.de arvaj fuch Index F.X ypritings cf^\ tititjH tie as did m,\ % forvs , b ut yet to f ecu re '^^n^'^'^'^vT themlelucs , ti icy haue taken out fuch fpeciall arguments tram. ss made agamlt them , and appointed the booke lo to bee Prir:Ccd, ihimefullyabufing the Reader, to make iiim thinkc hce hath that w iiic h he hath nor, becaufe the booke waiKcth that tiut it lliould haue . At that time liued alfo loames Scot-i.-,not iie that was furnamed ^uhs , but ano- ther, a manfor his fmgular learning liighly ellccined with I Lanfunc de ^\^^ f^^^-jg charleSjwho wrcte alfo a treaii/c ' ^e Euchanftia Sacr4m,Et* Qfthe Ef^charffi or Sacrament of the Lords [Supper , p ur- polely .igainlt that point. The newnefle of which doctrine may heercby be conceiued , not oncly forthatGelafius k Gelaf.cottt. thcbifliop otRomc determined flatly agaiuft it, that'' bj B.>}t)ch.& the S-tcraments Tvhi.htveereceiHe of the body and hloudcf ^iifior. Chrifi wee are m,tde partakers of the diutnt nature , And yet there ceafeth not to bee the fs bfiance or nature of bread and wine : but al(o for that tliey themfclucs confcfle that in the ^/Ts auncient writers there is ^ fe/dome mention of it , indecilc t!t induk. ^ont at all : and tiiat as touching the fecrcts thereof of ac- cidents w-thout anyfubicHj^ViA accidents onely roKrtfhing and "Index Ex • feeding without anyfubftance^ and fuch like , *" Tofiericr At as fi*yg. tn Cuiii. perSp.SdnBxmadaidit: latter tm^ addedthemby the iy:fiinB ^''^b'Tn ^f^^^' ^"h^^f^ ' whereas Chry follome telletii vs , tlut " // ^ aL ary of them that are faidto haue the holy Gh:fl doe fpe^ike of orAndfotrita. himfelfi and not out cftheGofpell^ hee ts not to be beleeued. 1^ • chcmnic. in he read it not written^ butfpeake ofh'tmfelfe , it is mar. if fi Examn. Con- fij^f fjg fj^^lj „ot the holy Ghojit Yea " Scotus , Cameracen- TWannT"^'' ^^^' ^"^ °^^^^*"^ ^°^ plainely confcfle that Tranfubllantia- '''"♦/»♦ Jf* ^^ cannot be enforced by the Gofpell, no nor by any tc- uimonics Epijlle to the Kj^ig. iij ftimoniesofthcauncicntchurdi, and'' Scotus affiriticth f BelUr.dtSa- asBcllarmiticliimfclfcconfcflcth, that kfurethe Lutemn '"»»'■ J^«f/>4r. C ounce Hit was no article offtith. And it is woortliy to be ''^■I'^'^i* obferued alfo that the fame Bellarinine ackncwlcdgcih, ^th.:t it rmyrpell ke doubted whether there be any piace of"^ ibi. Scripture eutdently to prcone 'Iranfubjiay-ttatun othcrwije then that their church hath decLt red it Jo to be, b :c. zufe verte learned yand acute men^Juch as Si otus was, doc thinly the con- rr.:rif. It had ncuer pubhcke approbation fora ihoufand yceresattcrthetiuieof Chriltj norcuer full confirmation viiiill the Counccllof Laterane, which was two hundred y eeres more : where \N2&plena cnria, a full court for the re- cciuingand(cttingvpofthcicloll ^ AIac^im,the GodGf^D4„.ii/,t^ Antichrill, thenccloith with diuine honours tobcado- rcd & won hipped of all ? Together herewith grew the no- table abufect the ceJebraticn of the Lords Slipper, which many ages of the firft church were neuer acquainted with: die facramcnt ordinarily to bereceiued by tiic Prieft only, and when it is recciucd by the people to bereceiued onelv' in one kinde. Looke the old councels, the fathers, the (lories : fee the difcriptions of church-feruice in Dionyfi- us, fuftinus Martyr, in the Liturgies true or feigned of lameSj of Bafil, of Chrylollome, of Ambrole or whatlb- cuer other ancientrecords:it isnotfoundeeuer to Iiaue bcene fo ordered in any ehurch tiiroughout the whole CiinHian uorld. Yea fome of them contefle that ' // ts not kliowne when the cnjlon^e oi thtvc halte communion be^an: ' ^"^"'•^'"J'i'- that it cnpt in fi Jl byc^ftcruebyth: ccnniuence of the Bilh'ps CrJ,"^'J ^v- ard.fte}' w s confrmcd <..ndifl.:bhfheAby Uw^{q idle a (anty ltnt.\Ub. JieiH. is it whicii M. Buliop dotcth vpon, that rhe vtgtlum care chan^,cap. lo, (ft h:- ff^^ours ofChriJ}(flo: kr h ith aln>ryes becn/tic h us th^t r.ofuch mnop.anons cot Id be Z/ikncrvryl^t fippe or vnrecord d 1 heirFurgatoric fire was fcant kindled fcure iiundred yecres after the time of Chrilt, a^id when it was begunne, yet for many hundreds of yecres after it was iieuer taken . o be the iurifdidu.ii of the BiniopofRomctJuthcclliouldc Qj hauc. u8 TlotJnfMrtaVMjhops hauepowerhimfclfcorfliouldgiuc power to others by indulgences and pardons to deliuer Ibules from thence, fo that they being put to giuc a reafon howe it ihould bee that the Pope Ihould haue fuch a power ot pardoning and there ihould be no vfc nor example tliercot for a thoufand yeeres after Chrill, hkc fhamcles and vnblulliing harlots f I{l,e.m.jmot. ^^^ hypocrites they tell vs , that •" in former ages of the MphonfJt c'a- church great peiMftcc ^ fatisfaEiion rvas enitrjiiied andtvillmg fir9 adu.b*rff. lyfujiemcdjandthen was the lejjef^irdonwgmd fewer indnU Itb.i.tit.lndul genceSyhecaufeinthat vohntary vfe 0- acceftation ofpam/b-' gtmU. mefJty andgreAt :cealeandfernor of fprntenerj man fulfilled his fenance andfew asked pardon, Now in the fall of deuotion, and lothfomnes that men commonly hane to doe great penance^ though thefmnes be far greater thm euer before^ yet our holy mother the Church knowing with the ^pojflethe cogitations cf fatanjhow he would in this delicate time driue men euher to def peratioftyor toforfake Chrifiandhis church and al hope offal- ftation^ather then they would enter into the courfe of canonic call dsfcipline entoyneth fmall penance and feldome vfeth ex- tremitywithoffendersyhfacendefcendtngto their weal^nejfe pardoneth exceeding often andmuch not oneiy allenuiynedpe' ttancCy butalfo alt or great parts of what temporall pumjbmet fo cuer due or deferued either in thts world or in the next, ^h (wcct mother church,wel fare thy iiart that haflgotten fuch c ztllartn. it * "ch ' treafure ofthefuperfiutties ofthefufftrings of the Vir" ludulgtnt. gin Mary andallthe Saints , fuch as Peter and Paul neucr lih.i caf.x.^i kncw,iior any old father or Bifhoptlirougiiout the whole world cuer dreamed of: thereby to releiue thy delicate 6c tender babes in this latter age & to keepe them both from |>urgatory in the world to come^and from doing too much penance in this world.No wonder if thyobedient children make much of fo kindc and pitifull a mother, Sweete mo- ther, did I (ay? nay filthy and vnnaturalltilrumpet which poironethhcrownchildren,andfccdeth them 'with afhes tnftcadofbread:whichmakcththcmtotrufttoher Par- dens for dcUucrancc &om Purgatory fire that for want of the i EpiUle to the Kjng, up the true pardon they may bee caft into hell fire . Sfiame- leflc harlot wonldefl thongoe about, \ will not iay after foure h>!Kiiredj,'eres as Hierome faid,but after a tiioufand yecrcs 'to teach men thatwhich theyneuer knerp heforefwotildeji thou ^"'''"y^-^i bringforth to the yporld that which Peter and Paul would riot Oce^^i^ delttier or tcAch ? For a thousand yecres the (^hriflian world Orirtn. WAS tvtthoHt thefe do^rifiesy without thy Pardons and lubi- fees, witliout thy puppets and mammets, thy Agnus deis, tiiy hallowed graines,thy hallowed bcades and luch other cxcrcmcntall lluffe, and doeft thou now tell vs in thccndc of the worldcthatthefethingesarehelpcfullto ourfoules, ' '^^*'""*''» andfurthervstotheremiiTionandforgiuencflc offinnesj r'^jf^rau'd It was thirteene hundred yeercs after the biithof Chrilt (xxmtarr*' |liat the yeere oilubilee was deuifed by Boniface the eight ^*ff-t*'Ami. *aman vnfpeak^ably thirfiungafter goldhowfoeuer tt were got ?'**'■*'"• ten :'' whotGokc vppon him to grant to euery one that ''Jl"^*'*f"^**' would come to Rome that vecre and vilitc the churciies of »/, chnhianus Peter and Paulehecfliouldhaue mod full and perfe^ re- '"PUtmin Bo- tniffion of all his finnesialwaycspreftippofcd that ^ no man "'f*'- i • muji appear befjre the Lord emptie* And to make way to , ^"^^j^'^o*"'' that authcriticwliercby he might doe tliis, and the Pope '^ScJlet Gr* alwaies what he lift it was another of the lame name Boni- de tranji. tpi/ci*. fecc the third that obtained of Phocas the murthererto be ''i-Q^antt. *the head and vniuerlall Bi(hop of the church, whence tlie ^^'*"'''^ Canonilles did firft lift him vp to be '' vicarius dei in terrisy ^'jtu/"/^"^' Gods IteMenaf't generallvpcn the earthy andperfwadedhim ptllat.cat.pa~ * that he was not a meere man ; ** he was neither . i8.ejtthinke M. Bilnop? isic not impietie and. bUfphemie- intirjnghffa. Sigr.mglojf't. f^. Sunt qui - dam inglojfa. « Boi.irt De r«- tr Tho.Jquin. Htnr.Kune, whicii was broached by '' Thomas ^Aquinas^ one^ you iiy^of the pri?tcipall pillars of the Romijh ch^trch, And by- > Th9m. jiqum, yjoui-fchoolemen his followers maintaincd.that '/f^e dcgge p.^^q. .a . Q-^^jfjj;4^e^Qgf,^tetheconfecratedh}Ji/it\ithev?rybodyof Ci??r;7? which the dogge eateth: or u it be call into the dirt, it is the very body of Chrift that Ucth in the dirt: or if a fpider or anie poifon be caft into the confecrated cup, that ^thebljfid'fChrifi, as Antoninus faith, «• iifetied therewith: or if a man caj} vp thefuKimjHtor vnie it before \ dige/hoft intoshe dranght that ittsfitllthe body and bhud of Chrijl:: ^ Jnton.fumm. farti^.tit l^. taf) 6:p,^.de Epifile to the tQn^. 122 Chrifi : or ' if a wicked man dec cate the iacraitient, thci rhtm ^ ' botiy ct Cr.rill is iliilin liis belly as lorgas bread is before ytfupra incorp, it be digcllcd ; or that ht'^Jhould be ccmmer.ded as n man of "^ntoni.yt grenr zra/i that v\ ould eate the facramcnt beir g voided qiH^"* laken cut of the belly cf a man or a nicufcj or a dogge, as cne Gfdcranpisdid-fihen a iefervptth filthy fhlt^^mc h^.dct'jiit vf'.O execrable viUaincs w ho for the maintenance of their monftcr ofTianfubilantiationhaue made themfelues the authors cflb prodigious and accurfcd fancies! Dccjou know thefc thiigsm your ownebookes, M. Bifhopjand would you goe about to obic6t impiety of dc£lrine to vs ? But yet tell vs further,! pray ; will yec not giuc vs Icaue to hold it for an impiety which Harding and Beliarmine in fa uor of the Popes reuenuc of harlotry doc tel vs, that pub- licke ftc wcs are ' a necejjary cuill, and that ' the mitgiji-rate " ^'^'^"'S' C«*^ fitmtthnct inaffoyntingAfkcefor themi May we J^ot take ■^''^Z*!: ' "^ itfor an impious and vngodlydc6lrine which you teach, ^BtlUimM that ^ it is be iter And /cjfejitmeftr a m^n t hat hath vc reedftn- ^mifjitn^grau gle life to k^fff ^ ccncubine tr a yvhccreyV.Ay mcny vphctres &fi'*fff^c*t* then ternary a mfcU It notalintularpomt ofimpiety and 1 ;^y*''*^*. lacriledgc which you attirme that ^ /A?-*.. ^/'./,n, done. ^ He dothnotm-:kethewilsofmen euill, butvfeihthe'P'^'^t ^ ^ '"•'•jr. fame notwithfiandi:;^ as he will ; * inclining andmoouu-g thetr ' ?' ■'■ " <^ wilsthat he rrutj do: by th. m what he will doe by them.ard t »- / ."^i' "'' * ' tupljwi/ltthnothtg. ' Thus he "jfedludis to betray Chrtflc, andihe lewesto rrucifi ^hriji : they were wicked of thcm- K 3 Iclucs,, 1 26 The Anfitfsre to 2). ^Bijhops fclucSjbut he vfed their wickedncfle to thofe ends, thereby toworkegoodto thsmthat i^fierrpardpjould beleeue in him. And thus for vnthankfulneflc, and wiliuil contempt of hisgoodnefle and glory, God in fearcfuU iudgcment vfeth the w'ickcdneile ofmen againft themlelucsto their owne greater conFufion,giuing them cuer to runne head- long tiicreby to greater finnes, that they may recciue the « lohn. 12 .40. greater damnation, ^blindirig their eyes and hardnir.g their ^ Vftl.Zi.t 2 hearts^ ^giuing them vp to thetrowne tmaginaticnSi ' to vile K^m. 1. 2 ^^yfi^l]^ ^tidfrofvardnej^e of hearty net to hearken to the "'.4ttg,cont» truth that is fpoken to them: and all this not by work- j»lianM.$ c.^ ing any new Wicked neflc in tlicm but by prouoking and miniftring occafions to that wickedncHe that is in them ofthemlclues : the occafions not being euill^nay tending of thcmlelues to good, but they being hkc to the forric grounde that turneth fwcctc raine tohurtfuU wecds;likc the corrupt ftomackc that of good food grow- cth more ficke : like the carion that by the comfortable fun-fhine ftinketh the more : as ■ to Pharao the refpeft • i^Kin^'^^^ of the benefice of his common-wealth, anoccafion to ,^j^ ^*'^ opprefTe the people of God : to • leroboam the vn- Jofefh.^mqui, fortunate death ot the Prophet by whome hee was rc- btdakiylSc^, prooued ofhis idolatry, anoccafion to him of continu- » xXing.i9 jng therein : to ^ .Sennacherib the king of AHyria his (uc- *''** cefle againft idoll Gods, anoccafionto blafphanetheli» , Pyo« X X ^^^ ^°^ • ^° wicked men commonly ^ the patience of Origtn.de.tr in- God & tlieir profpcrous eftate an occafion to make diem «if,lib,icaf^\r worfe and worfe ; To bee fhort there is a dreadfull iudge- mentand may not be denyed when God taketh courie*^ vt .4ugxm.ad crimina criminibHs vindicentHr.et fuppltciapeccatorum mntor Iter riezJe. pro r r j ■ '■ i r t i *tiJ* A- . - went a fmt led tncrementa vtU^rum \ t hatjmnes bee reften£cd TffttbjmneSyandthepHniJhments ojemlldaers be no tormentsto them bnt additions to thetreuil' doings: all which not with- ftaading wee fo teach according to die fcripturesand ac^ knowledge Eftjlle to the j^wg. i %j knowledgemem of the church as that ^ Gcdisittjli^ed im -pjai^^^. his fiiyings and found cli ere Vihsn he ts W^^^ and llie rooic .of (iinnc affirmed to grow from no other butonely from the heart of man. So that this firft poynt of impictie where- with M. Bifhop chargerh vsisatiruite of his malice, no fault of our do6lrinc, andtlicfecondisthehke : that or-r Sauiour Chrifi ouercome with thepaittes of his pajfoa vponthe erojfe did doubt(ifnot defpMre) if his otvr.e fdHction.k great J lie IS as eafely toldasahttle,andbecaule it is yourcultome we mull bearc with you. We neither {yj tliat chrilt was duercome with the pamesot his paflion, nor that hee did cither defpaire or doubt of his o.vne faluation: VVee be- lecuc that the anguidi and paines which chrill fuffercd for vswerevnfpeakeable, and the vtcermoit that the frailc nature of man was capable of: whileft he gaue not onefy his body for our bodies but ' htsfoule alfofor ourfoules, and " de- ^ jf*"-'"^'*- ^'*r, fceyided euen to the depth of deaths andalltheterrour ofif^^^afjji'^^ „ tempffi that raj^ed agai^fi vs lighted vppon him: whilell* in'PfaL6'i. himfelfe he did beare the wrath that was conceiucdagairfi vs * ^thanaf. de forfinne^euen *' the bitterne^e of that wrath which arofe by the i>*t"pr€t.vfal. ■ irmfire^i n of the kw^ih^t he miqht [wallow tt vp & make it ^ ^"- ^'"*"S'^' voide towards vs : fo that rightly he might vie the wordsp^^^^,,, of the Pfalme, ^ Thine iyidignation lieth hard vppcnme and"- Tfd 88./««« thou h.'fi vexedme with allthyfiormes X that is as Hierome '»'' >«/j.S7.^r- expoundcth it ; * Thou kfi brought vpon me th:it wrath ^ ""J!''" '''*"'^* fiormeof thy f:ry and indignation wh:ch thou wouldiflh.:ue J^^'fj'V" * poured out vpothe nattotts^becaufe Ihaue taken vpor. me their c )rijl. Ifr^nes. 1 he burden of wliich wrath lay fo heauie vpon him * Huton.in as that it prelfed him euen to the gates of hell, & his ftate "Pf^i-^?- forprefeiitfeehngwasas if God had'' ^:bh:rredhisfule: yet io asthac in tiie middcft of all thatanguiili hee waslup • ported with an inumcible aflurance of his fathers Icue, and '^'t''^-^^' conltantly expelled the ' locfngifthe forcws ofdeaih,know ing it to bee iir.prffible that hefljoufd be h Idcn iher^ by : and , ^ tlicrfore betwixt both vttered that moft bitter compLmt "* " *' -vp^thecrofTe: '^Ol{yGed,my Cjodwiyhasl thou fi^'^f'-i Mtt. 17.^6. ■ ken 1 28 T7;f Jitfwey to D. Si/hops ken nse : according to faith faying, OM:y God^ my god : ac- cording to preleiic icdmo^^rchy ha(i thct^foz-f.^tkcn me i This doc vvt ccach and no othcrwile^no not Caluin vpon whom youarcvvoontlewdely to father tins blafpliemieofyour " Cahiin.lnfti- owiic, wlio pUUilv faith ,* ^AlthoHgh for o. moment of time t :t. to i.ca.i . ^^^ ^ifiifis j)&rver ofi hsjpnt did hide ttfclj togmefUce to the rre.rkneffe ofthep.(h^ yet mufi icvee l^^c tv that the temptation byfeelingofjorow and f ear e wasfach as was not againjifaithl v?h:nhefelt himfele asitwerefcrfakenofGodi jet he ddno- thingat alffrvernefrcm the tmfi of his goodfjejfe. Whereby wee may fee what kinde of men you are with whome wc deale, cuen like the cay titcs and mifcrcants of tlie bafeft fort of people which make it no care what they fpcake or how vntruely they report: but oncly to vttcrthe bittcr- nefi'eoftheirftomachandfor the prelent to ferue their owneturne. IfthefcarcofGod were in your hearts, you could not lye m this wilfull manner as you doe againil: tiie ^ PVCei.i I Lord and his truth : you would remember that that is fay d : ^ the mouth that telleth lies, Jlaieth thefoule. And yet though Calutn had vfcd any f uch hard or inconuenienc lpecch,or if cither he or any other particular writer of ours doe runne into any priuate or fingnlar opinions what is that tors: why fhould this be imputed to the church of England or the do6^rine cttablifhcd by publicke autliori- tictherein, when as it teacheth or mainteincth no fuch thing: Or if you will thus vpbraidevs with any mans pri- uate fancies you muft giue vs leaue by the lame rule to charge this for a blaiphemie vppon you, deliuercd by Ferus your ownc preacher at Mentz , who plainely affir- ^ Perns in Mdt. meth that ^ Chrifidtdtakftohimfeife not oneiyourpumjb' cap. 1 7. me fit, if fit alfo defperationem nojiram, our defpaire : that hee tooke vpon him the putiipiments of finne^feare, trembling, horroHr of death and hellyd^fpairey death and hell it fe If e, that hyfeare he might oHercomefeare, by horrour he might otter coe ■■_ horrottryby defpiirehe might ottercome defpaire. ^c.ls this ^ound in your ownc bookesa^d dcliueredbya preaci)cr FpiHle to thel^g i ip of your ownc and doc you make vs the autliors of it ? Yet '' CMiH,n,HarA wc doubt not to acquit Pcrus of blafphcmy bccaulc wee"*^'"**7-4^' thinkc Jic liicnt no othcrwile then Caluin did '' Hfg wraft^ chru/i^Jd ftad led with * deffasre htityitvoas not ouerccmc I in this grcenotis whm ^nj »«. tormer.t his faith rvas vntcHched^tkat theugh deflenng hm-^''>"'»f dtj^iir^ j filfe to he ferfAken^et he Tvas confident th^t thehclpe e/'C' \K7 R . r u <^ a utatttr and *c» iy» Vv# O I SHOP, ,.r .t - ^ 1 he triumphant Citizens cfheatien (^vrh§eni»j the pre-' fence cj Cod^ar.d hafpiffi life that can bee imagined) are bj 'Frctffiants difdainfullj termed J)c&d men ^ tHeemedttei ^ iher to hatte crcdtt rvith Cjcdto obtaine any thing^mranj ctire crcompfiffim cnmcn^f^mcngrehcm they cnee liued ^ ccnutr- fedfo kind/]/, R. Abbot. WcfpeakcnotdifdaincfullyofthCiyaints in hcaucB, butwedifdainc that the Saints in heauen arc heerevpon earth not by their default, but by the fault of idolatrous and fuperftitious will vvcrfhippers,conforied and matched uith the God of heauen. And ifinthisrefpc^t wee call them dead man, toabafcthcmin coniparifon ofthchuing God^that all worfhip and feruicc of religion may be yecl- dedonclytohimjWedocthem no wrong, nor an) other ' tiiingthenwhatthe example of the auncient church hath warranted vs to doe. The auncient Father Epipiianius to condemne the CoUyridian hereticke s for worfhipping the virginc Marie,though infarre leflc degree of worfhip tlicn iincc the Papifls I^auc al'cribed vnto her, citeth againlt themasoutofthe ApofUc, difchbing the*apoflafic that* i,Tim.^,i. S ihouU 1^0 77?e anpjer to T>. Bif^ops i» Efifiytn- h&r. {huldbc inthcbft time thefe words ;''j E'Vovrottyitp vexfoij yi. ^ntim the word of God. I6, W. Bishop^ And MS for the f acre faulesdef art ed^ vcho in Vwgatorit fire pay diurefor their former delights- and fleafuresuhcy de- priue them of all hufnmefHccotiryhj teaching the world to bc- leeue that there is no/uch matter. '. R. A B B O T^ Alas poorefoules that are fo (Irongly hold en in with paper walles , and fo greiuoufly tormented with painted fare What a cruell Landlord haue dicy , that being buc tenants at will, and nowc not in cafe to pay, yet cannot without a fine haue libertie to leauc their holdc:* What {hall wee tliinkc of the Pope \ is he nota mercilcffe man,if hec bee a mao, that hauing power oucr Purgacoric at his S 2 OWilC 1^2 77;^ yinfwer to V. 'Bifhops ownepkafurc, and Iiauing authority to commaund the * BiUm in Angels CO tetch the (oules out from thence , and to guide Citm 6. ex tliem into paradifc, as * Clement the (ixt did, will not with- hulUeiufim. Handing luffer them, poore foulesjto he trying and broi, ling tnerc, and all becaufe their friends will not be at coll topurchaletlieir releafe and eafe ? Is he not a hard hearted Piiyfician that kcepcth his patients thus continually in greiuous torture, being able in a moment toalTwage their paincjand to fend the loules fingmg vp to heauen ? Kecpe you,M.Biniop,\'nderhishandesmll,ifyou will : but as Jy torvswearewariemen, and had rather faue our monie ^ for lomcthing then giue it away for nothing. Indeedeyou fay true, tliat we teach men, to beleem that there is no fuch matter i and good reafon , becaule God himfclfe hath taught vsnoTuch,and we bcleeue one ly what he teacheth,. Wee beleeue no oz\\ct purgation from finne, but oncly by »• H.6.1 J. die '' bloud of lefus Chrift through the ' fan6lification of *t,hhH t.7- the holy Ghoft ; and howlbeucr you gloflc tlie matter, the ' r»f . J. 5 . affirming of your Purgatorie, cannot be without the em- Io/7» i.z^» peachment oP the lambe of Cod that taketh arpay the fmr.e cfthe world, Itargueth avl'ant & wcakncsin his paiment, if after it wee be (till left , t^ fay deere for our felues. You deriue your Purgatorie from the auncient prayer for the ^MgJe 8 deadjbut amongil fuildiy reafons which they gaue of their qff£fi.Dulcit, praicr f©r die dead,Purgatory was none,as hath beene be- ^'*De'lf I ^^^^ flic wed , After foure hundred yecres,S. Auftin knewe cap. 17-' ' *^° other vfe of praier for the dead,Dut * ey ther to bee freed ^chryfop.in from being caftinto hell, or to haue mitigation of the ji^hom.-xi. paines of hell, ^ Chryfoftomemadethelame end thereof t ^mt,LaH ^Q dfflimer men after they were dead from enerlajimg death* ^er'ulUelUft. ^"^ hcrcto agrcc thole tales of Damafcen, that^ Fa/am//a »x Damdfctn. by the praycrs of Tec/a was deliuered out ofhcUiSc'TraiaH ftr. de Mortuis by the ptavcrs oiGregorie . Which feeing you altogether oratiom adt^- »• tjgnic to bc thc cfFed of praycr for the dead, you cannot '^^B^u'depur ^f^ut acknowledge this for an errour in thc Fathers,and * a.f.il. tlicrcforcconteffc, tliatinthis bchalfc tliccc is nothing but E[^'tflle to the K^ng. 1 2 1 but vnccrtaintie to be found in them. And ifpraier'for the dead muft argue PurgJtorie,thcn you mu(t needs conlcflc that all the Saints, all that are dead in the/aith, arc in Purgatoric, becaulc you your felucs doe thus pray for d\\ : ' 0 G: d tfthefiitifiill , the tn^- ^ ;- a;Td redeemer ofc.llmtn^ B tuUr. /e jrvfc to the joules of all thefiuhfalldecea/edy nmijpun off^^^ni-yf^mS* I ai/thjirjinnes, that by godly ^rayrs the j m^-.y chtatne the^'*"*''^^'^^^ I pardon rvhich thej altvaycs deftrcdthrough Chriji our Lord, '""'"""''• I And againc : ■* Lcrdwee befeech thee let the fr^yer of thy v j[,jj '■ humble Jeruaynes bee helpeftdl to thefottles cfa'l thefatth- fulldeceajedy that thoumaifi both rcleafe them from all [ theirfinr.es y and mr.ke them partakers cf thy redemption^ vholwefl.^c. Yea and you pray for Leo vvhom you iiauc made a Confcllour tiiat by syour ' office cf attornment ^ vpon his d^yd hippy re ward may be with him. Now if you , "^^ ofanif^ thus pray for the dead of wiiom notwithftanding you pre- fume that they are free from purgatorie, how can you dc- nic but that the church in former time without any opini- on ot purgatorie might notwithftading vfe their praier for the dead? buttobecfliort, bccaufe 1 hauejhandlcd this point before, the fathers iiaue vied one (peciall argument toprooue the ref urre6lion from the dead, wliich if it ftand good then your purgatory cannot ftande. For if in coude of iultice it be " necelTary that the body wliich iiath beene „ -^ . , partaker with the foule ofall that hath beene done eiti)cry-«rr«(!7.f^r«/V in rightcoufncfle or finne, bcalfo partaker of the reward ^thanafJtte ofeytherjandhecrebytherebe enforced neceflarily a rc^Otr.moitHor. ut a vf hitcd fcpulchrc^lhcvring a fwcccc he receine tkcpromife ofthefptrit , by.which wee We home agains ^ through the tvordcfGodto the ^ hfe of God * ^''^ J • ^• hanifig' (^hrtji lining and^ dwellmginour hearts y who being '"''^iS' in vs, the ' body is d.'adas touching fmne^ bat thefptnt is life h £1/^^ * \ g for righteo>//f7eJfe/ake,hGCiiuCc there being"' a netfhe.irtafrd ' Gat.i 20. a mwfpirtt, there mull needes be new af}c6lionS: new de- ** I'f^"^ ?•> 7* (ires, new dchohis," a new man created accordiyjgto God in J^'!^'f' '°' righteef^fy/ejfe aKdho/if7e(fe of trfith,° toying inthe l^.w of God, „ pp"f^'Jj^ ' and ^ appromng that that is acceptable to the Lord^ and "^ en- <> B^m.j.xz, deuouring to haue alwaiesa cleere cojcience both towards god '•'!- p^.*. f . 1 o. a»d towards mot. Thus doe wee teach the people of God ^•'^<^i4 '^' by the word of God ; thus and no othcrwile doe we de- Icribe the condition and quahtie of the iuftified man Th i s cfteft weeaffirmctobeintallibly wrougiit in eiiery man thatisiullifi;:d , and where it is not there is no iuftificatn on : but yet wee fay that this worke is perfect in no man fo l^ng as vvcc liue in this ftate of mortalitic and corruption. For 1:^6 V:e Anh>er to D. 'Btfhops For albeit tlic iuftificd man delight in the laiv of god as toptch^ ' R^m ".li ^^.i ^^^ *^'^^^^ ^^^ y^^ ^^ ^^^^^'^ ^*^^^' ^^ ^'' Wi.mhers the /aw 'Hih^ii. I .* ofjinns , ' hangingfaji en , and ' /ufiing and rebelling againfi « Grf/ 5 • 1 7« the- larpp oftht^Jpirt:: of life j fo that he hath vptthtn him " an ar- « jiu^uH^ (ont, ^y ofvui^Hs depres as AulUn laith of Airibrole ^ concinu- Mi"**!' i"in ^^^y ^° ^^^^ againft : vvln'ch arc as the* lebufite, who mUwe^ Cunt.ftrm. 5 S . mH we,dtfeUeth within our borders, yet may befubdncd though y CjfriAn.de he cannct be driuen oxt : as a ragtng ^ beaji ffjit»kl>% breath, rat.ciTcumcij . j^^ tied and chained vp in ih ztterm!>flpajfages of the fouls :2S Efif'Un 4 ^ corrupt ^ rooteflillfprositing cut weedes^ bxityctfo mpfed e^ f^^ri^dl that they cannot hane their growth* Now albeit by rcafon of this remainder of finne he be greatly let and hindered* thatheecamot doe the thi>ig that heewfu/d, nor • Gal. 5.17. ^^^ walke fo cxpeditely and vprightly in the way of righ- . teoufnefle as is required, yet the thing that prcuaileth in himis'' voluntas tujlitidy a will and def re of rightecufnejfe, ^ HtUr.in he " hungreth and thirfieth after it, the drift and purpofe of CM ^^6 bis life tcndeth wholly vntoit; it is greeuance to him that '*'*^' hefaileth to performc it', and makcth him to cry out, d Pow.7.i4. ^ ff^retched man that 1 am who Jhal/ deliver mefrcm this bodit of death ? And therefore although he finnc yet he finneth ' Ori'renjn uot" ma/icioufy,purpcfelv, with dcf re and delight in finne, Tfai.^6 hutof tgnorance ^ndtnfirmity, ^ bjoccafionandby the cree- Ambrtftu pi„g atidfieafingoffwte vpon[him, Now we would gladly Orit in -Nutn ^^^^^^ M. Bilhop whether it bcc all one to haue finne in hom\o. vs^ fupprejjed , and k/ptjbort , though not quite dead^ and « Ef>if>han c*^ to beinwardljffulUfa/lwkkedneJfeand mi/cheife [: whether fernard.ytfu' to refill finnc and fight againit it bcc all one as to giue it fra. yyjjy^ 3JJ J willingly to harbourit« And it is to be oblcrued alfo that it is the very lame which M, Biihopand we both doc hold to remaine in the regenerate man. We lay it is finne,andhefaKhitisnotfinnejbutitisoneand the fame thing, the'concupifcenceorlufiofthefiepj. How then doth he fay that we in aiffirming the remaining hcrc6f doe make as if the regenerate man Vitvcinwardlyfullofall wtckednejfe mdmfchetfe, when hcc hiinfelfc comelleththe inward re- maining I Epijlle to the IQn^. i ^ y ; maining of the fame. A man cannot be faid to be full of a// if>tckfd$trj[r and mifchiefe for hauing or being affaultcd with the lulls thercof,but tor applying and giuing his will and j conlent vntothem. Cyprian defcribing the ftate otour I life hcre.rai^h'';^^ hane to fight with couetoHftJeffe^ with ^ CyfrUr^it [vfJchMftityjWithwrathfufMeJje, with ambition^ with carrtail "'"''*''♦ vtcesyWiththeer.ttfcmtnts tf theworld&c. Hereof S. Au- > HcTiisith'.' Cj cdjorbidthat wee Jhotildthinke holy Cyprian to i ^ugu/f.ccnt. haste beene couctQus hecauje he fought with cot^etoujnejfeicr luHan Uh. z. , vnchajl becaufe hcfopight with vyichajiitie^ cr wrathfuUbe- caufe hefopight agAtnji wrath,cr ambiciofts becaufe he had co~ \ fiiR wtth ambittortycr carncM becaufe he hade abate with car- nallvicesyor a lout r ofthss world becaufe he hadfght with the entifements tht reof.Naj therefore was he none vfallthefey be^ \ caufe he Rroglyrefifledthefe etiHmotionscothmir,g^Artlyfrom erigiMallconatttcn,fa.rtljfrcmvfecfccnuerfatten, not yeet- dwg to be that wh:ch they frejfcd htm to be. Will M.Bifhop now giue S.Auftin the lye and tell him that by the hauing ; of thelc motions and luftes of finne Cyprian was inwardlic fuUofallwickednes and mifchiefcJ If he will not, why doth he fo charge vs who fay no more of the iuftificd man thcrt Auftin here fpeakelh concerning Cyprian? But in- deed it is his malice and not his witt that leadeth him to thtfc calumnious and leude colic fticns. Asforthe com- parifcn of ^a whitedfepulcher^ it is vfed by our5'auiour Chrift againft them who did iuftt^e themfelues before men^ •^'"* * J«*7« and made great icmblanceof holineflc outwardly, when Ithcrc was in their hearts no fyncerity or truth anlwerablc ithcreunro. But.we doe not thus afhrme the condition of j a true Chnftianman,but do make the inward mananfwe- irable to the outward, fo that there is not only a fhew of rightcoufnejleinthefaccto men, but alTo a truth thereof ' Lu{e.i.6. i in the cpnfcience to God, eucn as it is faid ofZacharie ar.d '^'^*<%»fl'^* I Elizabeth: ' Beth were iyji bcftre God, wnlkv^g in nil the fJ,^J*p'i'j ^commawidements and ordinances of the Lordwithoutreprcofe ^ctUJiJiA'i* I ftfiwporr as Auftin faith* their commendable ccnucrfAtion u^,j^%, T amoM^fi 1 2 8 Tlye ^nfwer to V. 'Sijhops dmomfi men, which no man could iufily accufe or hlameJVhtch therefore they faidto hane had before Qod becaufe they did nothydif[im:4atioitdeceifiementherin, but what they appea- red to men, the fame thej were knowen to be to the etes ofCod^ Now alci.ough there be a truth & vnfeigned fimphcity in this behal6e,yet if the matter be waighed in rigour ;and ex- tremity, who can free himlelfe from being touched with »l>ro,2o.9. fome blemifh of his Qouwipiion^. " who canfay,U\{y hart • i(«»».3.4. iidean^^.o'iW'ham^oth it not take hold which is faid:"^/ V Hieron.adtt. fncnarehcrs^ ^ Which of vs, faith i\ Hierome, do^h not VtUgM . z. ^^^ ^^^ oHtJidcs of the cup andefthc^ platter, anei hath the in Hsrfidc not dcfiledwtth vncleanneffefwho cananoide the Itke- neffe offep-iL hers whit cd without that ottrLord lefus may not fay vnto vs :Tefeeme outwardly rtghteous to m.n, but with- inyc ixrefullcfhjpocrifie and iniquttie.ty4!beit we m y be free fromothcrfanlt5,jt:tto hane no blot of hypocrijie is a thing found infiw or none at al.lhus by thciudgement of S,Hie- rome M. Bifhop cannot acquit hmlclfc from beings whi- tedfcpulcherfHUofhypocrifie andirnqnity^ that hereafter he may not woonder at vs for teaching that there rcmaincth in the regenerate man a fpot of infe£^ion and corruption, 'i Jug.cont. lu- ^liich as S« Auftm laith, 'J only for that tt is m vsfhoHld hold li"*. ,. ^ vsindeatbaKdbrinffVsto euerlafltnz death: b«t that the guttt thereof by forgfiene^e of ftnnes inbapttjme is pardoned vnto VSt By that that hath beencfaidc the anfwerc is plaine to all the reft of M. Bifhops tale.For we do notdenie but that there is inherent in the fouie of euerie true Chriftan fuch a grace of God as feruethto clenfe it from finne, and to «■'£/»/? f .27. make the fame iuft in his fight, *■ without Jpot or wriikle or *t^m.Z . 1 anyfuchthing.This God now bcginneth by the 'firflfruites ofthejpirity and in death he will accomplifh by the full mcafure thereof. But to fay that now it i s (b,is a Pelagi- an fancyjcontrarie to experience, contrary to confciencc, contrarie to our ownc confeflions to God, and contraric to the word of God , Then Ihall the foulc bee withomfpop 0^ Epijlle to the IQng, i ^ p #r wm/^/^r, that is, iuft in Gods fight, ^ when it /ha/l>e^/ori-t ^,^^^(1 j^ eus, as S.Auftinfpeakethotthc church. The time ofperf(h.t't,J$t glory is not now, but " when Chriji which is ourhfePja/ldf- l{at. 1 7. pearc, thef/ffa/Iwe alfoapfeare with him in glory, and then ° ^"'-J 4 ihal the foulejcucn the whole man be fully iultin the fight ot God. In the meanc time he is in handwtththe cnreand healir.g cfvs to make vsgrow to thatjpotlejje cfr vnjiatnedglo- rie. SotiiatthciultifiedmanisyetasAurtin faith, ^ ^^^~* ^urrat,cap, x-j to c 'tre all ^b Pit he doth it at his crwne defer eti w, c^^r th mt re- ceiue at the pntf. nts hand an ordrfor his cure. He is now in hand to heale our infirmities and fickneflcs,buthe wil not ° i. Cor. 15. 541 peri e6l the cure " till this mortall doepgt on tmmortal tir, and this corruptible do put on in co m^ptton^nd death bcjw^rl- lawedvp tutovi^orie , that with triumph wee may fay, O death where is thyfiing : O he U where is thy vt^orie : I hafk^s T 3 be t^z The Aifaer to V. (BifJyops hevnto Godrphkhhathgmn vsthe vi^orie through ChriH Je/fts our Lord. I8. W. Bishop yhto thofe faradoxes^ impious ^.gainji Godfandjlaufrderoui to man J tfit fieaje your Mute ft ie to adde^ ths prop bane car' ndlitieoffome pmts of the "Protefimts DoUrine '. you Tvill (douMejfe ) infliort time loath it. xAsfcr example'.That $t is as good and godly ybj eating.to feed the bodyyasto chafiice it hyfaiitng. 7 kit is as holy^ to fulfill the pfhly deftres of it by Afariage^ as by Cor.tinencie^to mortif,; them Xyea that it is pat againft the rvord cfGodto vowe virginity : And alfo con- trary to his blejfedrpt.'lto bejicyv our goods on the poore^^to giue ofirfelues wholly topraier andfafiing.Alyrhich this Ad- ttocate of the Englipi Congregationteacheth exprejly^ Vapr-^i. Is this the purity of the Gofpi.ll I Or is it not rather the high i6z,i66t j;fiaytoEpicuriCm€yandto allivor/dlyvanitiey andiniquitie, R Abbot, You dcale with vs, M. Bifhop, euen as your forefathers the Montanifts did with the auncicnc church of Rome,, as if there were no tiieane betwixt fuperftitious fafting and continuall feafting : betwixt virginitie and carnahtie* TertuIIian taking part with Montanus^and writing in be- halfc of his herefic againlt the church of Rome, dire6leth •TertHJJeJe' itagainftthemin thi>,ftile/C«?;?^v« Tfyciihos: ^gai^ftthe^^ T7'ithoj ^^^^^^ift^^' He calleth their do6trine, " Fidem amrmlemy ^ ihid. carnalldo^nne of ftith \ muhtuoranti^a ^ muhinubenttA pronam\ giuentomuchfeaHing andcften marying^ In his *lhU.fub wordcsagainil the Clergie of Rome then wee may hcareaj Jin*m Papift Ipeaking againft a Proteftant nowe : " Thy belly isthyi ^odt thy lunges his temple^the altar thy paunchy the cocke tht\ frie^ythefattyfumecf thymeate the holy Ghoji : thyjawce*\ thjffiritHallgifts^thy b/lching thyprofhecis :thylom bo iletm Ml Epi/}Ie to the Kjng. 1^2 thykstt^(,thyf^tth rv^rmeth thy kitchiyiy thy hope licth in thy meafe , IVho ts holteji iiWongjiyou but hee that feafieth mcfijdndof dtliCiite fare is f r outdid bcfi, o-c. An apple it not lb like an apple, or an egge lb likf* ancggc, asM.Bi* fliop and Iiis feliowes are to 1 ertullian and the Monta- nillcs. As for our doctrine ic impoitcth no prophanc carnalitic. We teach men both in mcates and in mariagc CO vfe tempcrancie and fobrietic. We warnc men ^ to take ** ^"'K ^ »♦ J4* heede that their heartes bee not oppreffedreith [Hrfeitingand drunkennejjejleafl th? day ofi hrifl come vp<. n the m vyn: wr.res that ' meattfig-n'iththctr hearts dejire, ihcy doe y.ct Jo fUl " Dtut,it.io. the belly as ^ tu forget Gcd : that they ^Jb eate afiddrf-ks, as ^ Caf.6. 12. ^at they doe all to thf glory of God. Wee fay as Tcrtullian ^'^°* ellewhere truely fayeth : ^ Sipientiam opimittts imfedit^exi' ^ ^'^"^'^j'^' ! /itas expedit tfatnejje andfulnejfe is a hind, ran ce to rtpifcdome ^„i„a^lap 10. fparcmjf: is a furtherance : and as Hieronie faith out Ot the Greeke prouerb:' ^iyguis venttrnon gigyiit mer.tem tcKuem, funfeedingr^euer breedeth quk'ke vnderfii.ndty g :hut ^S hvn* ' Hitron.t^ifi brofe faith, ^ Jpare diet htlpeth to lift vpthemit^deonhigh. '^dT^epotUH. We teach maried men as the Apoftle doth : ' Er^ery wan -^^^'^'^f-P*' topoffeffehisvejjelmholmejfeandhonon'i and not in the lufi i j,Tht(t'i4. sfconcupifcence as doe the get tiles that k^orv not God. Wee lay as Ambrole faith that '"mttrnpcramy inmariage ir a kirid sf adultery, and with Origen and Hieromej r^^/^ " doating'"' -^^^rof-^ffi' hue is Sjhonefl m a mm etten toxvards his ovune Tx>i[e. But yet -^"^''fi- ""^' we teach not as M Bifhop would haue vs to teach. A nd I'^l '*" ' ^^* whyfo .' Becaufe as did the auncient church, fo doc wee « O'so-enin "reproofte thofe maftcrs who crudly andrpithout mcnj with- 'Pfal. 5 8. cut tvaightwg mens Jlrength doe inioyne th.m things greater ^^'^^^"'''^**' then thetr flren^th : as veho f rbid to miirrie.and force them ^""J"""* .' *' ji I I J J- J I " Or' cewmendeth vs to God for ic felfe, but in their godly end and vfc they are approoued, and as he offendeth that eateth when he fhould faft, fo he offendeth » Col 1, %i alfo that fafteth when it is fitte to eate. I her? is ' ajhew of mjedome in not fearing the body, and not hatting it in honour tofatisfe thefleJhjZS if the very emptinefle of tlie belly were aracnricetoGod. Which whileftfome haue fondly ad- mired they haue brought themfelucs to that weakncs that they haue not beene able toperfourme the duty of the places whereunto the Lord hath called them to lerue him. In this cafe moderate feeding of the body is better and more godly then affe6^ed faftmg, becaufe being a fer- uant it muft be kept in cafe to ferue that a man by it maybe in cafe to ferue the Lord. Therefore. S.Auftin giueth a rule *" Uug*tf.io^> offafting ^ as health wi/l permit a^td ' as may be without the *^£pifi,7o. hnrttngof the body. Againe there is a time when faftingis *i;r''^*^i* more godly then feeding,, " when the brtdigrocmets taken •^' ' * from vs 'J" when the Lorde efhoaji£S calleth to mourning and iffeepng and p fitting on offackcloth, w hen in fteed of falting to fail to eating and drinking is a contempt of God and an ini(][uitie Epifile to the king ixc jiniquiiic winch he voweth not to forget, There is anoc- I cafionoflaftuigtofupply otJierswantoineceflary feeding j ofwhith it is righrly laid: ^ Blcffcdishethatfajieththathee jon»-eti.in I nuiyfccdcthefoore, Ihercis occafion ot faitingto'^e-^f Leutt.hem i© dowfje the hcdj/ ^ brir,g it intoJubieUton^^iX. it may be em- * i.Cor .5>. 27. ' ploicd as a feruant and notferucdas a matter: and when I this cccafionrequireth we fay icis not fb good or godly by eating tofeedthe bcdj as to chajlife it byfaJling:'Scyct to this purpofe we ipccially commend the faying ot S. Hiercme, ' • f^arefecdwg C^ a belly fiilll^ft vcith hungry affetie is pre- fern d beforefajiing three daies tcgether^MX. in fading tlirce ' Uitrm ef^i ' things there are which wee condemne in the church ofFuriam, Rome accordingly as by the auncienc church they were I condemned, Firlt that falling is madeinjtfelfea worlhip I of God^and a workc of righteoufncffe, whereas it is of the number ofthj(e thinges which are net'' It^flitiaipf^/ed^ Origen in, conditura t^titietrf. m \ net matters cfrighteen/nes in them- Matbttr4^.i j. \JelHesJbt*t Jirpiinifor theporvderif^g ^ Jeafcning of the works cfrighteoufneJfe^iOidtlKtcfotc'K to be apphcd'/^ talks ef faflingywhen they hme their bclliesfdl. Another carnilitie ot'dofilrinc wherewitli he vpbrai- deth vSjis that we teach, Ths.it it is as. holy tofHlfilltheji.pjly defiresofthebjdy by miri.tge^ as by continenci^' t-. mjrtifie th:m. Where the vncleanebeaft hke other r/v'ine of his fraternitie.maketh'r/?^ v^defilcd bed of mmagey the ful- filling of fleOily defires, as if the precepts ot^ mortifying the Itif of the flfjh, and^ abflei^iyig from fisjhly lufies^ could not Hand with the vfe of lawful! mariage, where- as the Apoflile reckoncth for lufts of the ^t[\^f)rm:attont adtiltryyiftordt^ate concapifcencex but neyer dikimed tiiat mariage fhould be accounted the fulfillmg offlcjhly luji. Yea TercuUian albeit he had begun to fpeak the language ofMontanus,yet could fay, "z^^/;/^!? veryCj entiles did not account fieflily hfi in manage J^nt tn diforderdand vnnaturall cottrfes. Anditappearetlibyhim whatthe aundent do- 6lrine of the church of Rome was in this behalfe when by way of vpbraiding them he {iAihi^ McderatieLbd:- num ft-idkitin crsdttur'. rvith them moderation of Infiy by ■ keeping it within the compafTe of lawful! mariage t^ d;e- medchaFlitie^Vjhcn he being further befotted with the pro- phecie of Moutanus thought, as Bifhop doth that niari- age-was to be reckoned a fulfilling offlefhly luft.But what the church ofRome then thought, was after condefcen- dedvnto in the firdNicene Councell, that ^ f/^e- com^anis ofam'nwithhisorvnewfeischtjlitie^ becaufe as Tertulhan could ^?.y when he was yet fober, "^ Itu not ths condltim of the thmg it ft lie ^ but vnlaveftilllufi that defileth the common- e cfm.w and womtn, ^ vnchaflitie is'not in the flat e bat in the e.x:^ffe & diforder thereof by adulterie^ whooredjme ^com- m:n Epijlle to the I\ing. i aj mcnJiiVcs.'Hos^ tiicrcforc wc doubt not but that in mar- riage IS as great Jichncflc, as there is in fingle life, and nei- ther ot them tor it felfe is more acceptable to God then ilic other is, neither dec we otherwiie conceiuc hcercof thenuasrccciued by ihc auncicnt church ofRoirie,as hath bcene before fhewcd.Wc doubt not but that thepa- tnarcJics, and prieltsj and prophets, and the firft Chrilti- ans, hued more hohly in manage then doeM* Bifhop andhisfellovvesinfinglelife, Andwe cannot be perfvva-* ded tliat there is a fpeciall kinde of iioly life, that was nc- ucr commended to the people. of God for the (pace of a- bouefoureihoufandyeeres, nor was cuer heard of vndcr the naiiie of greater puritie&fan6titie,butoneIyamongft , , fuperflitious heathen men« There was a time when 'le- rcmic was willed for the time, not to take a »-//9ibccaufe of the great calamine tliat was to befall the land of ludah, cuen as the ApoltleS.Paul giueth counfell to f orbeare raa- riage when without cuill it may be forborne ' becauje eft ^ cor.n*x6. ay.y^refim fiecejfttjy 01 for auoidipg trouhle in theflcJJj :but 2 8; that the not taking ofa wife fljould be a fcruicetoGcd or an acceptable holinefie with him, tlie church of thofe times neucr learned, which we fuppofe knew all workes of holincfl'e towards God. In a word fin gle life though itfelfibenotamatter of holinefie, yet where the gift of coniincwie is, giueth greater opportunity of holy cmploi- mentjin that it voydeth a man of troubles and cares that are incident to mariage, andfb according totiie manner ol thingcs indifferent is refpe6liuely to be preferred. But where the gift of contincncie ij not, becaufe thcrcltles paftionsof continencie by iblliciting anddiflrafting the iiiinddoebcicaueit of that tranquil litieai.d peace wliich in any condition or ftate of life is neceflkrie to lerue God, there marisge is more helpefuU to the feeking and feruicc ofthckingdomcof God rand the vridcrtaking of the cares and troubles thereof only for keeping peace of con- fcicnce towaides God is as fwcet a iacrincc to Gcd as anic V2 dotii 1 4§ Tl^e Jnf^e^- to D.'Bipyops doth arifc of fingleiite. A nd therefore the auncient church albeit there had paiVcd a vow of fingle hfe yet thought it '■tbtron-.tfM ^ ^^^ thein "^ to marrj th.it could not " or would not conteiae " Cifftl. I .-'!'. w.^s^'b. i:ig better to re ceme iidgsment and cenfures of their « £/)»/>/». hAttf. light nes with menjh:n rcithftcret darts offatan to be rvoun^ 6i.jifoflcUc. ^^Jieucrj dxy towards God: Co farre were they from tliat fil- thy Popifli paradoxe which before is mentioned, that it ihoiild be better in thateall^ to keepc a harlot then to mar- r ^u^uli.ctfit. riealavvfullwife, ^ Inconiinencte^ faith S, Auftin. »?///? ^i.l$.c.io.j^Ppgyl.^^^ yoithhonejim.xriagethat ttrunne nothiadlong to d-mnahlefmne. Now becaufcthe gift ofconteiningis not in the power of man,therefore as touchingM.BiQiops third point we fay indeed that it is contrarie to the word of ■^EcdtC ^°^ ^^ '^°'^ z//>^i;.7/7,becaufe it is contrarie to the word of ^v.xl ^' ^* God to Yfifer thy moyjh to ckufetheyjicfhtoftme^'^nd^apj' * Mat.19.1 1 . iyte vtter a thtng to god which thy power ferueth not to performe.'' All men can'iot receim this f .';/»^,(aith our 6'aui- oiir, but they to whom tt tsginen^ and is it not finne to vow to God when a man hath no warrant of the gift of God > " A'tp^fiM c j:^^ ^jygy ^g whom tt is notgiuen, either hatte no wtll to that aT.c^M* ' ' ^'^^y ^°^» orfaile offulfillmgwhat they are willing to} If all ^ HieronMu. coftld be virgins ji2ivi\\ Hierom our Lord would not haue (aidy UuinUnJA. I , Hg that can receive it^ let him receiue it, neyther would the ^pofile hme beenefojearefulltopcrfwadi /f.Tiicrefore // // found in many to begin it^ but tt is found tn few t^ferfeuere^ and what is itbatwickednefle to make all vow when fo few are found toperfeuere. But thebeft is, they vow againft mariage onely, but againft fornication and adul- tery they make no vow. They vow continencie no fur- * H-^fpinlanM ther but ' ashnmane in^-^mitte will perm:t^ And tlierefore it erir.Mon.icha, fa^-etji ^vith them as it hath beene woont with other here- Up .cap,7i- lic^Qs:^ They reieH?miriaae. but yet th:y ceafe not from r.'rwi. flthie lufi. Thereiore without breaking oi" liis vow, Pope B^de inSerg.i Scrgius the third might keepe^ yl^^rc^^^^.Earlc Guido iiis ex imh;jr and vyiic, and get of hct ill titerum ret memoriaff^, another Popelohn the twelfth, who fhould ncuer haue beenc Pope I Ep'tfilc to the IQu^. I j.p Pope iflic had bcene a pricfts (onne, but to bee a Popes baihrditwasnolct. And thus miglit lolin die cleucnth morciHe the fltih with'' keeping Ins uimioa TiieGdora:& h j^, „ ;,_ John the thirtecmi) with his 'two danilels R.,incra and anne.n. Anna ; & Hildcbtand ^ with Wachtyldi s the Countefle. ' Sy»ad.i{om, who torlooth was called S.Vetcrs da- ghter.&L Akx&ndct "f"^ ^'^'^'^f^' thclixt' exceedingly addiEled tJwomcKj might Icrue ins i ^ ) . faint Vannocia, and might bellow a Caalinaliliip to con- n-nr.yl'" "" tinuc the lone ot "' lulia Farnefia, and uiight make boldc '^ OnN^hr in with his ownc daughter Lucretia. SoPaule the tiiird fa- ^lfxa^d.6^ uing his vow might rcceiue a itab for being taken in adul- "J'"^ 'PUtin. terie with his kinf.voman " Laura Franefia, Sc might poy- mentlib'^'""' fon his daugiiters husband Bofms Sforcia, that hec might "idem ibid.' the more freely haue the vie of her, as he had alfo of lulia his owne filter : fuch paincs doe thefe holy fathers take to mortifie their fleO^lydefires, that it is woonderthatwc iliouidnotthinke thatthemariage of Protcftant Mini- ftcrsis nctforholmelleto bee compared to their fingle life. It was without breach of vow, I warrant you, tjiat the" Cardinall of Cremona the Popes hc^^^Xc a latere ° Mttthj?arif, comming heerc into England to take order againft priefts '» ^'w. i. wiues and concubines,and inafolcmne aflembly inueigh- ' ing againft them, and fhewing what a hainous ctfence it was, to rife from befide a harlot to confctrate the body of Clirill, wasthefamenightaftertaken with a harlot in his o.vne bci\:The matter was we/lkjowny faith Mathew Parif. and could not be denied Should we not thinke 1 1 was for Iio lineile and mortification of fleflilyluftesjtliat t!ic^ Bifhops ^^'"''"wm. Of Lj ermavy were wont for money togme fricjts Icauc to kiCpe ^-^^ ^ Y concchines, when they miglit by no meanes marie wiucs. HmaUu Was there not in their Cleroie cxccedina preat hoh- neffe, by vowing virginitJc, when that prcuifo tooke place in their luwcs: ^ ihey fay common!'^ that a frieji '' ^'fl 8i. ts\^<:^ttob. d?pof(dforjimflcformcationy hccaufe there are ^^■""^"'""s f.wfoi^nd w:thoiit thatfiultiyesi and a rcalongiuencf T'^^^g /■ that feuour . "■ Be caufe the bodies of men arc m: nfrade nc w hytn /» p/o/7i." V 3 then i ) o ^ 77;e Mfwor to D. 'Bljhops thstiofohlthyhaueheene^ frailtiewasacaufewiththcmt^ beare wirii foniicaticn, which is the workeotthe diuell, bucbynomeanesco permitmariagc, which is the ordi- nance of God* But what their hohnefie was S, Bernard •was a witncfle in his time, giuing to vnderftand, that ' Bernari.de *" aftcrfoYwcAtio nSy adyJceriisJnccfis,thty fell to vnnacurall CerMerfjzd andmonfti'ousluils, for which God deftroycd Sodomc Cier.caj): z^i g^^^j Qoixiorrali, forbearing the remedy cj Urpfkllmarn^ge^ andther.ceforth running hefJloyginto alt hainous f/thynejfe, ■ And of the perfons that were guilty hereof hee faith ; 7 hey canmtbe hidthej^refommy, nor careto hee hid they are Jo ' Ten dfyTQ' impfident. I may here vfc Tcrtullians epiphonenM : ' Hac UndFir^imb. admittiiflagitiicoaBa& imitavtrgimtas \ Juch h@rrihle TPtckedne^e is there in coi^fireined and jorced virginity. This ■ is the holineile, M . Billiop," that you recommend to his moll excellent Maiellie to bee pr^si^ifed by hisClergie. Thefe are the workes of your mortification, the fruitcs of " jiitgiifije, your vowed virginity, as if you had Tayd with them cf old, yerb^Dom.fer^. " feccato, camis deus noK curat : God canth not for thefe pec- \ jj/dto A>^ud ^'^^-^''^^•^ ofthefe^ : and with Plato , '* Infftch kwde of plea- CyrilLcoilt. ;«- f^r^ *( ^^ hut a veniallfinnefor a man to forfweare himfelfe* lian.lii.6, Fievponyou, fievponyou, filthie harlots, thefecde of thedeuiU, abhominablehypocrits ,you are they that tell ^^^'^*'^^^''"'' vs that there is that ''/>w/)«7'mf the" ^^^''^^•'^^' fpoyltngof their goods^ rather then to forfiketlie tcftimonie of iefus Chnlt. Which cafes not befalling vs, wee'yet pcrfourmc thatcommaund:menr of Chrill in minde and aff>r6lion, when in aboundance happily of riches and pof- feflions u'cc liaue ourhcartcs fo wainedfrom tlje loue '' ^'^"''<3 8 thereof, as that wee account \ill thinffcshnt loffe for the ' ^V"'-^*- » o. o jj J ' 1 Cor,'' 20, exceUotkKswledgcfuk^oflefffS Chrijt our Lord , ' not fet- ' J - tingoar hearts vfon thcmypojf:j]ii}gthemasifweepoj[c^:d them noty vfmg them as if rvc v(ed them not '. that though occafionofleauing all be wanting to our will, yet our will bee not found wanting if there were occafipn, But without this occafionfrcm God voluntarily and of our ownchcids to lell all and g^iuc to the poorcvnder pre- tence IJ2 TheJnfwertQT>.^ijhofs tenccofgiuing our feluesro prayer and feftmgisaworkc of fuperltirion and errour^ a renouncing of the ftcward- fhip which God hath comniitted vntovs, a cafting off of the yoke ot Chrift in whome we are new borne not to liuc t^m.iv<{. to our ielues bur to be * members one ofanotherj and i F u'^80 ^h^^''^^^'^J^^^^^^^^^^°^^'^^'' ^^ ^5 the verie herefie of the Mafaliani. ' 'Maff'atias or Emhytesy w ho becaufe the fcripture teacheth ''Lac. 1 8. 1, wi^tofraycsntinmliyandnottowaxeivearj^ did therefore I .Tbejf^. 17. renounce the worlde,. forfoo'ch, and departed fnw their ^00^/ that they might attend wholy to prayer, and did ol'*F^ l^d P^^yfo much indeed as faith S ♦ Auftin, as didjeeme incre^ fo?M7' ' dib/etothemthatdtdheareofit, Andif thcductiesofprai- er and falling which the fcripture requireth be not tied to anyfeparatekindofhfe, butconcernemen generally, as indeed they doc in the places and callings wherein God hath placed them, furely then vnder pretence and colour of gluing our felues to praier and failing to leaue our pla- ces and callings and to goe into corners from other men, is an abfurd fancie oiyvill-rvorlbtp and hath no ground of Gods word to warrant our conkiences for the doing of it. Abraham did not fo when God had enriched him after his departure from his country, whonotwithftanding ^iXi^ilii!* is called ""the father of the faithfdl^, in the fisppescfwhofe faith ree are to walke that " into his bofoms wee may be gathe - • j5i.io. i 0. red,'CorneIius did not fo, who without leaning his charge • vfed praier and fading in fucli fort as that hee found the fauour at Gods hands to haue an angel (ent with a meflage to him for meanes of his further inllru6lion in the way of life. Neither in the old nor in the new teilamcnt is there one man found that hath don itjhowfocuerM.Billiop ac- count it a matter of great holmefle and perfe6lion : and as for vs wc will not take vpon vs to be wiftr in this behalfc then they whom God himfclfc hath recommended vnto vs for tru£ examples of holincffe and pcrfedion. But now / fuppofc there is a fccrct in this matter which cuery man doth not fee. IfM^BiOiop were d^maundcdwhobe the poore Epiflk to the IQng* i j j poore whom lie hccrc mcaneth, I doubt he would famblc and rtagger in his anfwcr, 1 Jic diucll was in it that VVat~ (oninhis^*W/(^f/iingreat malice of the Icruites hath difcoucred the knauerie ot tiiis whole matter, and To dif- couereditasmight be a good warning to many (eclie fooles to take heede how they commit thcmfelucs into the handes oftlitfc vultures and gryphes, who vndcr pre- tence •tiauing mens foules, deuourithcir bodily goods^ and fend them headlong to deilru^lion, bothot bodic andfoule. Is it not aprctie Icfuicicallexerciie which hec hath made know ne to the world, that men are by them drawne to fell their landcs, and to put the mony into the handesotthefe poore fathers, that fo being freed from the cares and troubles of their worldly ftatc, they may goehghtly beyond lea, there to attend to praicr, becauic they mud begge, and to fading becaufe they haue naught tocatcJyea and to bee difpatchcd, God knoweth how that they may haue no toongto complainc^ that anie man hath done them harmc? In the meanc time theie holie fathers make merry with that they haue gotten: this is 'Propter hotjupffccurath, though it be in orMfte ^d diab^ /«»;. Thus M.Bifiiopyou all praicvpcn other mens prai- crsand fcaft vpon other mens falting, andwhilcftyou liue no otiicrwifc indccde but like thecues and naughtic packes deuourirg other men to maintainc your ielucs. bke gallants , you exdaimc againft prophane carnali- litie as in vs,ihat fuch tame fooles as will truft you being pcfleded with opinion thereof againft vs, may take no notice of that Itwdc prophanefic and carnaiitie that is vniuerfally cuixai^t amongftyou.Wcwotc wellhowc vndcr pretence of jtf)uertic you haue gotten into your handcs the wealth of the world to mamtaine idle lozels and filthy bclly-gods who know nothing but carnaiitie; howthelefuitcs vowing poucrtic in jproprictic iiaue in communitie gotten that riches into their handes within ilicfe thrcefcore yccrcs, that they arc able thereby to doc X more .154 T))e AnfwertoDMjhops more then many Princes can doc. Is this the holincfTeof Poperic? Are thofe the fruites of your vowes? Wee will content our (clues w ith that halincfic which we haue lear- ned by the word of God, but as for your hohneflc wee leauc It to your felucs being knowen well enough by the 6:uiccs of it to be the inuention of the diuell» rp. W. Bishop,. Tneede not ioyne heereunto^thatthey teach it to be imfof- fibleto ks^pe Gods CommauKdementsl and therefore in vaine to gse ah out tt : ^ndfartherythat the hefi wcrke of the righte- ous manyis defiled withjinne, JVherefore^ as good for him to letitie all V y> done ^as to doe any, Nay^tfthis pofttion of theirs were true^it rvouid f allow ne^ cejfanljf^that allmtn were houndvnder patne of damnationt nener to doe any good'd?edy fo long as they hue : for that their ^ good deed being flawed withjinne cannot but defc rue the hyre ^ * of Jinneywhich accordv:g to the A^o^lc is: Death euerla- iling, if your Maieft pes important affaires ^would once per- mityouto conjidcr maturely of thefe impieties^ and many other like abfurdttiesjwherewiththe Trot eft ants DoEirine is fluffed: 1 dare be bold tofay^that you would fpeedily either commaund them,to reforme themfelueSy and amsndtheir errors^orfairc lygiuethemth:irCon^Q,. R. Abbo t. HercM.Bilhopperfomieth a worke of fupererogati^ on doing that that he faicth he neede not doe. And indeed he iaith truely that it is more then'needcth,and were he not a man of a llupide & fenftles conlcience he would not haue made any mention of this point: fo fully muft his owne heart neccflarily be poffefled with the acknowledgement of the truth of that we fay, but that for the louc wherewith he is bewitched to doat vpon Antichrift he labourctii wil- fully Fpijlle to the IQng, 1 5 5 fully to quench die light tlicreof. We doc not teach that itismipcfljble to kcepe Gods comniaundcmentes , but wee teach that it isiii pofliblctokeepeGodsconrjinaunde- ments perfc6ily totuil righteoufnefle and luftjfication in the light of God: wee teach that it is impoflibleforvsfo long as mortaiitie and corruption lafteth to aitainc to that defcription ot vnjpotted holineflc and righteoufnes that is contained jn the law. We faithfully teach men to kecpc thecommaundcmcntfolGod. We teach with S, John : * He that faith Ik^owhiWy and l^epeth Kot his ccmmawide' -^'^*""'^-^- wents is a iiar and the truth is mttn htm. We neuer ceaf c to propound thewordes of Chrift tying the truth of our lout to the keeping ofhis ccromaundcincnts/y^f <>/(?*«- kj^^ , - j, Pte krepe my commaur, demerits '. Hee thut hath my cc wma/tn- demer.ts and keeft ththem the fame is he that louah mee^ But to'^ the keeping of the commandements it appertaineth to fAjt ' jtHguft, fergiHevsohrtrejpajfes ^xhzi'iSy ourbrcaking ofthycom- maundenients. It is in efit 61 to fay ; °fiar.d net in tudge- ^ J>t Ttwfor, ment reitk vs to reqmrevfvs all that theu hifi tvilled & cem- /*^4^• nsAunded'.fer then fh ait find vs gutlty if thou er.ter irao iudgc mentrvithvs '.rvchaHe therefore neede of thy mercie . Now itisnotpofTiblefor vsfo to hue but that we* in uft fo long as we liuc here make thi5 confesfion and praicr vnto God. Therefore iAnotposfiblc for vslo long as wee liue here perfectly to kecpc the coinmaundenicnts ot God . So long as we cannot ' hue the Lcrdonr Gcdwith allottr hearty , m^^x^xx x-* With all our fcHfc^rvith all cur minde, vuh allcurfirengihSo long we cannot keepe all tlie ccnimaundenKnts of i^od, But ' yo lor.q as the re ts any coma' I a ncupjcercc cr lufl te hee hridled(frr( fir Aimdrvc cannot loue the Lcrdour Godwiih alt ourfoule '.for the pfb lufieth not voithcutthefopile albeit it be ^ ^u^u/iM fayd ih^t thefiefhlcfieth becaufe the foulc h,fli th f.tfhly orM'"J^'*' carnally: therefore fo long as concupifcence lafteth vvcc^"^""^''' cannct kecpc all the commaundemenrs . But fo long as weliue hereitis dilltrueinvs y^thefl^Jhlufleth againfl the fpirit ; fo long therefore as we liue here wee cannot keepe * ^'* ^* K2 aU 1^6 Tlye JnfMr to T>. 'Si/hops all the eommaundenicnts of God, and To much the leffc ^R'>tn.7.7 bccaufe one ot Gods commaundemcnts alTo is , ^ 1 hott iHiUr.inVfAlpjaltnotl'ji, ' 'ih^re are many fcrnddls cfthsreorU ^ fayth ti^Mt-Gimtl. liiiisiry ^whtch doe hinder m vs theperfcEi keepif^g cfthe com - mxndements : tofiiy nothf'ig oj the nature of our bodies whi'h partly by infirmtyf farty by the motions or fromcatins of vi' ciotis ajfeBions a:eforcc^ vsyct to be vnptrf. B . Now I Will fay to iVL Biilnop in this matter a^ Hierouie fay d ofoldc to the Pelagian hereticke defending the fame that M. Bilhop fc Hieron.tfi(t ^Jqj.j^ k y-^,^ r^ //?/? vs th^t thj ccmmamdemcnts cfgcd are adCtefiphont. ^.jj^ r p^JJlb/e (siith U Bilhop ) to be k^pt,andy:t thcHcafffi brin^foorth no m:zn that hath kfft them a/l, WhAt a reafon ts this to fa J that it is pojfu Ic rohtch neutr was, ay. dmay bee dene rvhichthosiArtTVitneJleneHtranymtDtdid^ andtomake it a thing for enerj man to do which m the pAtnarchs andproph. ts and ^pofiles thoti art not able t o approue i" He runneth ouer , , p , many (cripturcs^ to Jhefp ycishtlhthythait no man hath fffU lib.i, f'/edthe Imv and by the law all the commaundemmts that arc conteinedtheteinXn a word he detennineth thus out of the experience ot men excelling one in one vertuc and ano- »Mt*.'PeUg. iher in another, " Godhathcommaunded' thinges prffible^ lib. u I confeffe :bnt 'echman cannot atteine to allthefe things albeit they bepcfjible , net by any vnxblenefse ofcreated nature, that any cauiipjoi^ldtheAj be made to God.but by^akenes ofeur owne mind andwillwhtch caimot together and at oncereceine allvertues,Thus Hierome dilpateheth vs of this qucftion, teaching, as we doe,tliat God hath commaunded nothing but what is polTjble, but the impoflibility of keeping the commaundcments ari(etii from vs , from our weakened and frailcie, who although wee may excell in fomc one or two or fome few vertues morally, yet euen in morall con- uerfation to men, cannot attaine to all vertues, and there- fore much leflc to anfwere the ftri6t examination of the iudgement of God . So that weeaffirme nothing in this bchalfc but w^hat the ancient church defended againft the i^lagian hcretickc, and that whicii M. Billiop feeketh to perfwadc. " iern4rd,tn EpiUktotbeI\jn^. lyj perfvvadc his iiioft excellent maicftie is nothing but what the Ptlagian hcrctickrs cf olde prcfumcdjagainlt the chinch : much grace to him to bee found thus directly walking m their Iteppes, Let S. Bernards words feme for theendine otthispci.it : " J he /aW'm<-:irr'was not ianor/i^e ' BerMra.tn that thf rv iy be brought in fuhie^mtto Cod: for receimngthc comm^undtmcrtt ar.dfee- iiyigour owne dfe5i rve fhallcry to he 'ucn Avd Cjodwilbe mer cftdl to vs^a nd ree fial k^orv atth.it day thfit r. otfor the yporkj ofrighteou/nejfe which rpe haue done but of his cypne mercy he hathfauedvs^ Where he doth not onely affirmc the im- podibility of full and perfeft keeping of the lavve, but gi- ucth reafons alio why God notwithlianding held iiit profi- table for vs that he ihould gme tlie law, and m euery point fpcakethfuUyandexprelly the fame that wee doc. Nowc ifto this dcftnne we apply M BiQiops concIufion,we (hjll iinde him to bee tliat that mdeed he is. We cannot in this life perfe6lly fulfill tiic commaundements ofGod : there- fore faith he, it is in vaine to goc about it. A s if he ihould liay : A man is not yet come to the goale : therefore it is in vaine for him torunne ; the fclwDler cannot already write in print .-therefore it IS in vaine for l)imto learnc to write; the husbandman hath not his harucft alrcadic in hand; therefore it ism vaine for him to low his fcede. Perfc6i rightcoufneflc entertaineth none but whomeit meeteth traueliing to come vnto it. We heere fow the fecdes of it that we may haue the full growth of it otherwhere. The foundatio is laid on earth that the confumaiion may be in heauen. Rightly doth S . Hierome fay ; " Nonfnt conttm- • Hnr%n. tfifi, , nend^i tanquam pATHAjine quibus magn.t ejje nonpofsunt : wee *<^ Lxtam, . X 3 Are 158 H^eMjiwertoDSilhops Are not to defpifi thofe thi/iget as /mail Tvithout rrh/ch ^{Mc things cannot be, iJiough wee fecme here to hauc learned but as it were the ABC, yet is it not in vaine, becau (c this ABC is the introdudion to the whole Booke of God. » OnVf»./» * Better it is for a man feekt'jg ferftBionto dis by the kvaj^ Ex-os'./ww.j. faith Origeii^ then not togoefccrth to fei % it at all. Againe, M. Bifhop challcngeth vsfor teaching that the bijiwcrke of the righteoHs man is defile drvtthjinne. Wherein we teach the fame that Hilariclofoldc taught, and was by Auftin p Htlar.apud ^pprooued according to the auncient do6lrine of the ^uTufl.cont, church of Rome againft the Pelagian heretickcs, that ^ our lultan.Velag. bodies are the matter of all vices y by reafon whereof beingpcl- iil>,i. luted and defiled we hauenothinginvscleane 3 nothir.g inno- cent. Whereto belongcth the acknowledgement otGrc- goric billiop of Rome , men-tioned before , that ^ all o«r q GTeeu'^. mcnt of wilfull oppofition , S.Auftinfaith:' Itifdeltter lib 4 .crf/*. J • miferert vitmm efi , peccatum cji : to vfe ccmpir.JJion without, faith isJime.Thc finnc arifeth not from the a6l of compaf- fion but from the priuation of faith. And will M. Billiop hereof mfcrre that an infideiris bound vnder paine ofe- ternall damnation not to vfe compafTion , and by a defc6t in circumftance force an obligation ncgatiue againft the fa6l f To vfe compaffion without feitli is finne,Dist not to Ihew compafTion is afar greater finne. Tofhew mercy in " J^ow.itiy. infidelitie yceldeth " thoughtes excufwg for doing a part: not to fhew mercy brcedeth accufihgthoughts for neglc6l- ing all , and for crofling the -worke of the L yv rvrttten tn tht ir hearts for the direction of their outwarde anions . Now therefore in the good works of the faithfull there is a ftaine of finne, but in the not doing of them atallfhould be a double finne: there is a guilt of damnation i/God in ri- gour fift and examine the fame, not arifing from the good worke butfrom the ftame of finne : butto leaue the worke altogether vndonc is a treble condemnation. But God in lefus Chrift remitteththeguik, and imputeth not the ftaine of finne but gracioully acceptcth the worke as per- fe6t and good and accordingly rewardeth ir. And there- fore from an inuincible default which God hath promifed to forgiuc to argue the omitting of the worke which God hath commaunded to doc,is a colic 6lion fo fottifli and ab- furd as that it cannot be but that cither mcere ignorance or excreme malice tnuftnecdcs bee the auciiour anddeuifer thereof. Fpt^lle to the ^n^. 1 6 1 tlicrcof, ArdyeLiluiwHcnanasiihc Iiad fpokcnfome wortliy matter ullttli Lis melt excellent Waic ft ie that jf h^^ ij/\uic^ics inportat afjairarpofildfermit htmtoconfidcr matfircj (fihcje injjicttes fxd many ether like fibjnrdities rvhiri vpith thefn ti Baf t dc5l) inc isjh.ffcd, he rvou/d^eedc- /ycofr.maufjdvs t^rcfcrmc our felms //?, 17. that ic is fmall aduantc-^ge to inioy a kingdome vpon earth, i and for want of true faith tovvardsGcd to beccxcludcd i from the kingdome of heauen. He hath therefore taken refolution thereof from God himfelfe, and on your part, iMBifhop, findeth notliing to nocuehim from that j vvhereof he is refolued. You deuife impieties where there arc none ; of the auncicnc dc6irines of the church you make ibfurditics becaufe they fit not the humour & pro- ceedings of your latter Synagogue* Your allegations are idlcj) our anfweres are empty, your arguments wholly in- conlecjucnr, and fit it were that after your thrifc fcuen yeeresyou ihould be recalled for fcuen yceres more to the lludy net of diuinitic onely but of Logicke alfo^that you may not any more interrupt Lis Maitftics important af- faires wit hi uchloofc and friuolous colic 6iions as here you haue prcfcntcd to his view* Whereof we Ihall yet fee fur- ther experience in that that followcth for the clofing vp of this your fccond rcalbn* 20* W« Bishop, / rpil clofe vp this nty feccrd reaforii rcith this Epi- phoncme. ThatitisimpoilibleforaPiotcftantjfirn.cly cleauingto the grounds cf his o^nc Keligion^ to hope y for i6z Tl^e Anfil?er to D.'Bipyops for any faluation. Fot- they doe^and needes muflgrnunty that no man can b^ftiuedroithoHt a Itaely faith: &■ alfo that a Ime- ly faith canAot be without ch^ritiefor othc rwife it tvere dead: Now then to the p^trpofe: Ni) Vrotesiant can hau : chant le for I. Epiji.ca.^. J. as mtn-Jfcth S.lolm, This is the charitie of GOD, thac I(om.i3. vve keep." his co.iiinaundemeiics, Bfttit isimpofJible(a£cor'. dr/aq to the Vrjtjfl^ns) to keepe the commxundements: there^ fore alfo impojfibU to hd'te charitie which is the fuInelVe of thch\\'s:4^idconfeij.'ien''/y impofftble to hanea liaely faithy which cannot be withoHt charitie»^ndfo finally through want of chat Ihielyfeehngfiith^whereby thty fhould lay hold on Chrifls r.'ghteo.'i[nejJ}y to hale and apply that vnto them fe lens ^ they can huAc no hope at alLofanyfaHo:tr, and grace at CJods handr.fVithoHt which they m'tfl needes ajfure themfelues of eternalldimnatioiyinfieeds of their pretended certaintie of faluaticn. . R,Ab b ot. The Apoftle faide of fome, and M» Bifhop is one of * uTim.tj. thtm^They would be doBours eftheltw^andyet vnderfland not what thcyfpeak^ynetthcr whereof thsy^ffirmey It is impof- Jibleforputh for aVrotefhant firmly clea-itng to the grounds of his owyie religion^ to hope for any fahation. And why fo I pray you? for no man can befaued without a liHelyfiith, and a Ituely faith cannot be without charitte^ind no Vrotefiant can hiHecha-itle No can ;> but what is the let thereof a For- footh S . lolin faith, that the charitie of^od ts this^ that wee keepehis Commaundements^ and it is impofftJle accordina to the ^rotefiants to keepe the commaundcm^nts : therefore it is impoffibleto hauc charitie. Now a night cap otftrawefor i^ fuch a braine that could reafon fo profoundly againftthe Pfotcftants. Bat did your head neuer ferue you to vndcr- ' ftand that there arc diuers degrees of charitie, and con- fequently diuers degrees ofkeeping Gods commaundc- ments? and thereforii that the denying of the higheit d<;- oreethei-coftaketh not away the affirming of the rcftf Did FpiJJIe to the I\i}i^. i^^ I Did you notfindc in Auftin that there is"* charitMsmaiorj ^ and £ lh^ r'itas miners gnater charitic aKci/cJft r c haritie inci- '^''^ ' ^ ^' dent to this hfe, and plen:JJima char'nas,fHtL. ndpt rfi B cha^ riti: jiiot to hcfou nd m any rruin fo long m he lii.eth hcere^ut diftl rrcd till ' thcy^ yrhen vpcptdlfce Go das he is ? Tlic fame c p^ ptrU£i. AulUn fpcakiiag of inlierent liglKeouljitfle whicli confilt- iujiit.i{at. s! j cth in the keeping oi Gods commaundements defcribeth j thefc degrees faotli in the oncand in the other : •• C harity '' ^' «•»^c^^ j hegun isrighteoufucs begun '. charitieencreafcdisrighreoufnes^^'*^'^''^''^'^'' j tncreajed ', great charitie is great rightto^^fntjferperfcn: chnri^ I tieisfirfeH rightemfKc^e^ Now perfect charitie^as before hath not Jiis place m this life, and therefore in this life is nopeifc6lrighreoufncl]e, and therefore no perfc6t kcc- 1 ping ofthc commaundements of Godjwhich onelyis it I which the Protcftantsdcnic: but charitie tliere is in this life, and righteoulnefle there is, and a keeping of Gods commaundements there is, begun, encrealcd, w^axing great, in diuersperfbnsdiuerily: and therefore by the I Fiotertants do6lrine there is no let but ihataman may j haue a huely faith,and thereby allured liopc of euerlafting life. For heereby indecde he laicth hold on the righteouf- nclTeofChrift, nottohalcittohiirifelfe according to the phrafc of this Lucian dogge, but to rcceiue it being officd andgiuenby thcpromile of God; whereto becaule cter- nall life is due, therefore in receiuing it, he receiuctli eter- ^ , ^ nail hfe, according to the wordes of Chrifte, ' tVheJoeuer ' ^'** e^teth mypjh anddri^. k^th ny bloud hi.th cternall life^ Ofidl will raije him vp at the LJl d^y^ not meaning that we fliuld eate his flefli with our mouthes, or drinke his bloud into r ^ a j our bellies but in\truciwgvsto become commnntcants of his ddi^chriji. p.i^ioyjyC^healthfully andpofit^.by to lay vp tn our minds that Uh,^ caf.i6^ his fltfl) rpas crucified ay:dri>of:Kd(dfcrvs^ to theende that all righteoufnefle being peiformed in his obedience for V5, the fame might be reputed vnto vs for the atteinment of etcrnall life. And tlius wee are come to the end of M. Bifhops fccondrcalbn, wherein as inthefirftwefceno Y 2 thing 1 64 The Jnfw2f' f) T>. 'Sljl7ops ching but vnlearned prefumption and folly, and a great countenance let vpon a maitcr of nougJit ; Jinich a udaci- ouinefTe of words, but in waiglit and lubftanee altogsdier nothing. Let vs now come to the examining of his third reafon, where we ihall finde hifn no changeling, but ftill one and cJie fame man, or rather a ftiadow for a man. 21. W. BisHO f. T'o th.'fe two arguments^ g ith?rcdout ofth? treatife fol' Icwin^^ I add: a third, oil, 5tc dfrom tbefcyonr .tvne memo- _^ , rabl: wordei rcUtcdin th? ahoue nantrd ::onference]Viz^AXQ we now come to that patTcjthat we iniill a .^peach Conji^n ?/»if or Poperic an j {uperHkion} ivh:ch arg-eth thjit your AfAtefii-e i^dgahth.m^to haiip It: tie regird ofettht rpiet-e or citiilitiSf that vf^uld adm tf-^cha thought into thstr mt/ide,as th-ttthefirjl ChrifiUn Emperour {our m Ji r/^n-'tvmed conn- trimAn)Pj .u.'dh? noi-jli'd aad brought vp infiip:tfiirion^rf>hsr~ tnjour Adiiflh h,ith trrc^re.ifon.fpr h:' kvas mujl carefully tnflriilledydnd taught the Chnflian Religion, by fnchholif Co>jf^(JsrSy Vfhofe ftvcentie in faith hidbcene tried in the- hot fnmAce of m.r>iy firange perfecHtions xAndhcfarthrhzdthe goodh^ppe to fee, ay:dheare to^ethsrtn the firjt geneK'M Corn- cell of N'ce, maiy of the holiefl and be(i l'krn?d Btjhops of ChriflcndomcJTherfore it is mofl vnlikllj th^-tfo roiallaper- foKy d. H'jtedto Religion^ andhttiingfog jodmeanes to attaint to the p erf e^ k^iOwLdgc thenof, ns no man could haue belter : fijOHldneuertheliffs in the pure (I time of it, b^ >nif- l.^dde nto errour^andfyipcyflition. if then^it rnay bs prcouedyth.u this m ji f^hr-flian Empcrorir{ the gltt.rtrg ornament of cur noble llafjd)dtd bsleeneftich articles cftheprefent Rom :n church as the '} rjtefiants teach not to be bekeucd'Willnot yotf^ Maiefy mthertn^einfiith vpith fo peerelcjfe a Prince^ who bythecon- fent ofallantiq •dti?, Tvisfor certain; right: n>, lloformedthen with thefe, whom(d Hbrlijf') m.fimen deem? to bepititfuHy deQeined ? "^ow thAt Conllantine was of the fame opinion, m matter Fpi/lle to the K^n^. 1 6 j matter of religion^ rvt'h tht^rffent chun h of Rome, nt^y eni^ di-ntly be gathered out of this thatfolloweth: R. A u B o t; Wc cannot, M. Biiliopbiicgiuemoft humble thankes to Jmiglidc God tor giuing vnto vs a king of fo great vn- ' dcrllanJingandiudgeji)ent,tor deciding and determi- ning the caufes and controucrfies of the Church . Whofc j pnncclywilcdomeinthat behalfe as it appeared in that ■ conference manv way es, fo in this not Icall ot all that his \ Maiellic thought fie that antiquitien-iould honourably be regarded,anddiatPopininoucl:icsonely being reic6kd tlunosniould be reduced to their primitiue vie without ! any necdlelVe departure from that path which the firft i church hath trodon out vnto v5.Whcrein there was great caufethathisMaicniefliouldhauearpcciallrefpea vnto thctimeofConftantinethe Emperour, as wherein iic ; could not doubt but that the aire ot the church was very free from that extreme infcaion & filch whcryvith it was poyfonedattcrward. No maruell therefore if his Maiellic acquitted that noble Emperour trom Poodle andlu- perlhtion, andiull caufe was there fo to doe: lo farrc are we from dilVcnting from that principle whch M.Bi- lliop laycth downe,that it ihould be vnlikely tliat he flmld at th.;t time be noulled vp in errour and misbelecte. Whlchprinciplenotvvithftandinghc driuethto an iflue wholv contrary to his N\aieftics intention and Ipecch. For whereas his Maiellies purpofc wasrocleere Conftantine of i\)pcry,M. Biihop goeth about to appeach him tncre- cf. But Conlhntine indeed was no Papill: heneuerfct the triple crown vponthc Popes head, norcucrkilkdche Popcsfoote. Hedidnottlnnkcthe BiihopoiRemc to be Jiipenourto himfclfe, or that the Bifhop ot Rcmc mi^htvponoccafiondepofe him from his regall tlrone, no?difcharoe his fworn lubicds from tlieir allegcanci: nnd y q du.ty 1 66 Tl?e Anfwer to T>. ^Ifho^s duety to liim, nor held his fen cence to be the cracle of the church ; which had he thought he would not haue called the counceiot Nice, but with Icfleadoe would haue fent toRomefor idolutionagainlt Arius the hercticke. He did not thinke that it belonged to the biiliop of Rome to call generall councells or to direct order for their procee- ding, but coiniuaiindeih thecouncellhiiiirelfe,and pre- fcribeth them a rule to follow, not according to tlic man- ., nerofthc Popes councels which ipvocttdt^ lij/criptures r ^ff"'^cjp u * ^»'sf/^rW/wV»/,indeede by traditions only again llfcnpturc ■fc Theod.hifi. but'' thejarethe bockes of the Etiang(:lip^arJ.ofthc Afojlles U'a. i.f«f 7 . faith he, andthe cracles of the o/d prophets n'hith doep/aw/j, inflrnEi vs what to conceiue concernhgg c ds matters '.the rfore fettiyig aftdi allenmitie and dtfcord lee vsfrom the words in/ft red of God take t he explicatio.n ofthofe things that are in qne- fiton, Hccncuer fought to the Pope for pardon, he was neuer fhriuen to any prieiljhe neuer worihippcd idoll nor image, neuer ferued S» nor fhrine, neuer knew the mafl'c nor tranfubftantiation, nor halfe communion ; if hee faw the religion that is now at Rome he would woonder at the change. Yet M.Bifliop will ncedes perfwade his molt excellent Maieilie that Conftantine was of the fame opmon in matter ofreUgton with theprefent church of Rorr:e,h\xt\\i$ arguments to proue it are fuch as may well make vs to pi- tie the fimplicity of the man.He mull bring better proofes then hehatJi brought,or elfe Conftantine Thai be ftill ours and none of his. 22. W, Bishop. Tirfii hewasfo^.ffiElicnatezntotheftgne cf the Crojfcy that he would haue ttglerioujlj appeare.both abroad in his ban EnfehJe yttd ^^^^ ^^^ ^^ ^^^^ ^^ hispallace : and in the ?mddefl cfthe cj* c.»^4»r. lio. g. ^ .^ ^^^^^^ ^,^^ ^^ .J P^^yj^ . jn tj^jj j^g^g ^£ faiuation, I haue dcliucrcd the city. With ttalfohcebleffed his vifage, R. Abbot. Ep'ijlle to the fQrjg. 1 6j R. Abb OT. The figne oftfie erode to which Conftan tine was Co much affctSlioncd was indcede ' thefigm of the name of our Sauioftr, confiding of the t wo Greeke letters x and p , in* Eufth. deyits forme ofa crofl'c % , vvhicii are the two firft letters of the ^onftant.Ub.u name of Clirift, and did imfort the f.me whole name, by '^"^^ ^• the fight whereof in the skic Conftantine was aducrtilcd that ^ by Chrifi he mufi conquer e andouercome. To which ^ j^.j , name of chnlt rcprelentcd to Conftantine his moft excel- ' ' IcntMaieftiegmeth the fame honour tliat Conftantine did repofing therein the whole truft of his vi6lorie and fafetieboth fpirituallandcorporall, and knowing that 'w e ^^,^7. other name isginen vnder heamn by vhich we m'/fi befaued butonelythenameoflcliis Chrift, And asforthefignc ofthe trcfle which M,Bifhopintendeth,bccaufe it hath bccnc vfed as a monument and profeflion of the paflion ofchirft and his death forvs vponthecrofl'e,hisMaieftic taketh that cquallcourfe that may both approouethe pi- ctie of Conftantine in the vfingofitjand yet ihewhisdc- teftation of tiiole corruptions wherwich the Papiftes hauc abuledit^ The figne ot the croflehath honourable place vpon his Maiefties imperiall crowne : it ftandeth pubhck- ly to bee beholden in the higheft ftreetc ofhisimpcriall city ; his Maiefties enfignes and banners weareit both by fea and land : our churches and market places commonly fliew It throughout this whole land : in the celebration of baptifmeitisbypublickc order appoynted aKvayestobe vfed Wiiat is then the figne ofthe crolle to proue Con- ftantine to bee of i\\cf.me option irt mMttr cf religion with theprefcnt Romrne ckirrh, when we vfe the lame figne of tlie crofll* and yet are aduerfaries to die fame church ? Yea but M. Bifliop will lay that we vfe it not (o far as Conftan- tine did ; for with it,faith hec, Conjiantine blefscdhit 'ifge. Where he abufcth his Maicftiewithfalfetranllaiion. the ftory 1 68 TheAnfiver e to 2). 'J^ipps . ilory making no meniion of hl.[ftrg but only thar ^ hee did ^c[nftant%lT /^«^ hijface With the [gKc of thc crolle, VViierem his Maie- cl'{. x.'^ ' ' Ity and our whole church do torbeare to doe the fame that Conllantine did :notastocondemne tjonftantine &the firil church for the doing of ir, but to take au ay all fhewc ofthatfuperftitionand abhominaiicn where wich latter time,.rpcciallyvnder the tyranny of Anticliriit hath defi- led that that Conftantine did, tlic Papirtcs liauing attri- buted to the crofle the vertue and power of blc fling, which Conftantine fouglu for only in him whc m he only rtmem « D/^.<5j.«/'. bred and profefled by thc crolTe. tiow" tf cur pn dec ef- Qj^ta. fours hatte donefome things which at that time might be rpith^ out fault and r^fterwardes be turntdto err our and ftipcrjiition •ppe are taught^ faith the law,^ f.Kjeckta hreaki.':g the brajen ferpentthatthefojieritiemayabchlh the fame voithout ante delay andwiih great authorttte. We doubt net but that the firft church lawfully vfed the figne of the erode to protcft tlicir faith in Chrift crucified againltthe dclpights and re- proches of Pagans and infidels, andinthat finiplicity of the vie thereof we do u bt not but that fomctimes miracu- lous workes were yeelded to the faith of them by whom it was vfed. We doubt not but that blamelelly alfo they rg thanhes to God euen the father by htm. Wiierefore when lulian accounted thc chriftians hafe and wretched men for figni^g theirhoufes and ? theirforheads with thefgne of the crojfe,Cyn\ an! wcredthat it was his ignsrance to blame them for that bec^ufe he knew not thc meaning of it. ^ For the Lords and Sautour of all lMUM<,UbJ. ^^^^^ hc^albeit he might hauefutenfiillin the throne cfhtsgod head equallto God,yet hfimbl:dhimfc/fe,taklng vpon him the /iarmcofafcrHant^(^ defpifmg thefhame he endured thc cro/fe "thaf Epi/lle to the j^ng. i6p thathemtghtaboltJhiheptKverof corruptisn: djing a/one for all andraijedfiomthe dead that he mtght deimer nuinki^^de fiomthefyiare of death that he might acflroythe tyranny rf Jin ivhkh raigncdmvs I that hee might abbridge the Uvp of Jin r..gingtnthe members of our bodies, and mtglit make vt jptrttna.'lwcrjhippers', afiU mart ifyin gin vsthe^lnjixfthejiefb might miks them the children of God that doe beeleeue in him cfjan^i§c th. m by the/pirit, thatfo he might bereauefntanof hts tyranny ouer aU. ^/iUthefe tlmgs thejjgne of the cro^e mar> keth vx to remember and willeth vs to thwke if that which the xApofiUJatthiOne died fr al that thtytvhtchliuejbuldhence-' forth notliue to themfelues but vnto htm which diedfor them^ androfeagaine, Ag^inc'wevfe, faith he, thejignerfthei jyu, [crojf.'for A rememberance cfallgeodnejfe and. allvertne This only was die firll vie ot the figne of the croire, and (o long as it kept w ichin this coiDpalk, there was no caulc of the refufirg of it,neithcr fliould we rcfufe it if vpon the like joccalion & with the hke fimphcity and fobriety we might irfcitasthey did, Butfincc the Harpyic of Rome hath lliadthehandhngofit, and made it a matter of magical! nchauntmentj and through the currant of her propha- lations it hath runne into the handes of coniurers, char- ^ersjwitchcs to be defiled with their diueUifli and dam- nable pradifeSjWc haue had a religious care to cleere the irft cJiurchinthcvfingofit, but no further to vfc it our clues then it may be wafhen from the foile and filth of holcabhominacions. Now therefore Conftantinesvfmg »fthefigncofthecrofl'eprooueih him not to haue beene ilike minded with the prefent church of Rome, becaufe ealfoapptoGuc Conftaminesvrmgofthc crofleandjcC ite the do6lrinc of the prelent church of Rome. 23* W.BisHOP* JVithfiJitngand other corpomilaffUBion^hechafli^d his EufebJtyitM idj that he might p/eafeGodt Cunfi.U.z.ci^ Z R* A B B O T« 1 70 lie anfMrto 1). Bipiops R.Abbot. M.Bidiop might euen as well haueargued out of the fame chapter, C :j. X4tiiW,.!0lSHOP, lHf.^.c4p z6^. . -■•'L-.'- V. ■'.■.';■■'!••• ^ He tvith incredible admiration j honoured profejfed fir^' gtnSymidmade lavpes mtheirfauour, R. A b B o T.* True and chafte virginitic albeit in it felf a> thing mcerly indifferent Epinie to the I^ng, ' 1 7 1 indifferent to God-ward, yet as an excellent gift of God in the vlcotu ior the Icruicc of the * khtgdcme of hcMien^ . Mat.i^.ii. and ^ to c'eaiietu the Lord without dtfiratiiort or feparattoM, •> i.c.r./.j?. dercructh to be admired and honoured amongft men. If dicrefore Conlhnane bringing the church out of thofc horrible ftormes of perfccuiions, did findc therein many whotokecpethclcluesthcmorclccurc with quiet mmdc to fcrue Icfus Chriit , had betaken themfclucs to that courleoffinglclif-c, hechadiuftcaulctoyceldcthcm that honour and regard that did appcrtainc vnto them. But he ncuer had any thought to approouc your curfed blafphc- miesjthat fiugle htc lliould be ' the merit of eternalllitc, ^ ^. ^ ^^^^^^^ a fatisfadlicn tor iinncs,. a worke of fupcrerogation for re- j^'jgy^t^^^i demption of other mens fmnes : he honoured them one- nMs}, lyforvfingdicopportunitie thercot the more entirely to Brtuiar.ftcuni Icruc the Lord, Neidur doc thc) want tiicir admiration ■>■/•"" S4rmm, and due compJtndation amcnglt vs , u ho . iiauuig power "7'"«^m4r7 r of themfclucs giucn v nto rhcm ot Ciod doc vfc the fame to the forbearing ot marriat^c, thatin iht 11 places and cal- lings they may Willi grc«tcrbbcrtic and fccuriiie applic thcmfeluesto feruc die Lord As for the lawcs which M. Bifhop faydi Conllantine made in die tauour of virgins, they are not fucli as that he Ihould haue thougj)t it vvorth the while for his purpofc to fpeake thereof . For all this law-making was no more but the aboliflnng of an old vn iuft law, which did intercept thclands and polTcffions of i\id\ as died without children, that they flioulde not go to their kinsfolke or friendes towhomthey were willing to bellow them, but fliould be confifcate to thc common- wealth. And this law making did as much coiiccrne mar- ried pcribns fo dying without ifl'uc, as it did virgins, fo lee- lyahelpehathM, Bifhop hccre for the fauoiir ot his vir- gins But by diislaweitappcarethtliatthevirgins^which Conftanunerefpe^edwerenofuch asM» Bilhopdrea- methof itheywcre no cloiltcr-nunncs: they were not fcqucftrcdinto corners : they did not forgoe whatdicy Z 2 pofliflcd 1 72 77;e ^nf^ey to D. Sipops pofleiTed , they liuedinclieir ownc houfes , or in the houfes of their parcntes and ftiendcs, and did luch du- ties as might conccrne them in the places where they were* And albeit much vncleanneflc then was committed vnder pretence ofvirginitie, whileft many of curiofi- tie and pride betooke themfclues to the proteflion therc- ^Cataitefi.ye. ^^ > yctmuch was it encrcafed by M« Billiops virgins, rit.ex Eckerta, whofe cloillcrs wcrc the very '^ lime-trviggs andgmnes cffii- Ctemangde cor tanyfiotfmSluaries ofGod^ bnt hot4fes of Venus t and curfed ri*pt,eccU.fiitu j^^yygj gjT ^^^^^l,jjljlj^y.jg^^^ ffccttacles ofwantm and vnchajle ^^"*'*^'^^^ '^' yofjgmen ^ for the fulfilltngof their filthy lufies , fo that to tx iHone. veiie a m Aide for a virgin ivas the fame m a manner as to fist 0 HfpinianJe herfoorthtobeaflrtimpety ayfd' ccmntonfomicatioH veasca- »rig, Motfathat. nont^idto be accohutfd a ho/j/finte fltwushy ihc iull iudge- UI>.^,(aj>.z6, mentof God that their dwellings didfpue them out tor the horrible abhominations and fihheries that were found amongftthem. Our church therefore not condemning '^"**** te -i Yfhut was limply done in this bebalfe from the beginning, and leaumg to lingle life the due commendation otic whercitis;defcrued,yet confidering the poifoned fruites thatprofcffed virginitie in all times hath brought foonh, taketh;no courfe todrawany vntoit, norforceth any to continue cherein^but Icaucth Gods inrtiturion of marnage freefbrprcleruingofpuntieandhohneffe towardes God. Wehaue-wclloblerucdhowthcApoftles chough hauing f Hi!r0».ad». ( fearefi/h indeed as Hieroine faith ) commended wid- loumMb.i howhoodandfingic life, and hauingiaydcf widdowcs or.,. 39. g(tatej*72'^f«rff//^fr//tff*Wfim(?7W/^w/?£w?y^ff' )??///, enc' ly m the Lord : hutfheeisinore ble'jfediffheefo abide , tn mj itidgementx yet when by occaiionheereot many had em- braced widowhood, who afterwards plaied the wantons, and from the Ihame of their hghtneflc , proceeded to the denying of the faith of Chriltj to take away all occafion '*> I.Tim, f .14' hcereof , gauc chisfor a Canon ; ^I will that the younger widiwes marry andbeare children andgonerne the honfe, and gifte no QcCafion to theadkerfarj tofieake emlL And therefore by Eptjlletothei^ing. lyi by his example from the abftrafted fpcculation of the [re- temientotfinglclifeinpnoridcofgilt, uchauctalicn by experience anJnccefsitic to the approbation and pra6tilc ol^ another rule. Nowc therefore Iceing m the very point weeapproouethe fame that Conftantine did approoue (that they are worthie of admiration and Iionour, who occafion fitting doe preferre fingle life for the oppor- tunitieofholinellc towards God) and onely by occafion taken from experience , doe forbcarc in part the pra6^ife 1 ofthatwliichlic approoued , M. Billiopmayas well fay I of vs as he may ot Conflantine, that we are of tlie lame o- pinion in matter of rehgion with the prelent church of Rome , when indcedc wee vtterly detcll and abhorrc the I fame. I 15, W. Bishop. Hie builded many Churches in honour of the ApoJiUsj and Enfeb. it >/m \MartyrSi and as S.Chrytodomc recordeth. He that rvasre' ConflmtM^ j. uejiediMfurpte, rventto emhrace theSefulchers of S, Peter, ''•47 &■ alibi. andS. ?3i\x\,ayidaUT>rmcclyftateUide afde, flood humblie fe^Jf^'^Zn prayirjg vnto the Saints, that they vpould be intcrccjfcrsfor htm tmh, vnto Godj R. A B B o T. Weebuilde churches when and where necde is in honour of the Apoltles and Martyrs, and where they arealreadie builded we retaine the names whereby they ^verc rirll named to their honour, 5". CMaries churchy S. Peters ch>rch,&c. Andifhcwillhcercby prooue that Conftantine was a Papifthee may fay the like of vs. The lonour tliat wee intend to the Saintcs heertby is the fame :hat Conftantine intended, "ffA'^rrfrtf martyrpunrKtmori- * Eufel.dcyitM \sytorenorrme the memories of the m.irtyrs, it is the honou- ^"''Z'-"* ''-^•i able remembrance of their names, not the rchoious T'V'''/? ■ i^orfliip of their perfbnsjcucn asS. Aullin fairh that"^ ^" c,^it.Dn,!,b. hefe menur tails there was a naming of them m thotr place dr 2 2 .cwf . i o, Z 3 ordtr 174 77?^ yfnf^er to f>. ^ijhops «r^nt. tlic lame» Nay chey that ' bmdtemfU s to^AngeL or to anj M^xrmh.4ri' creatures m that krS^, or name them by thtir names as T^lco'doreu /» ^^^*^f ^ ** ^^P^^J "^"^^ themyAre accurfed by the amcuvit church, Colcfcap.i* hccanfe they yeeld thereby to the creature that feruice that be- longeth to (Jod, onelj, wliich to impute to that C hnftian and godly Emperour were no other but an impious & wicked (launder. Yet M. Bifhop taketh vppon him to proouc by Chrylbftome that Conftantine did yeeld fuch honour and vvorlhip to S. Peter, and S. Paul, by praying vnto them* Jrie that is rem fled inpurpiegoeth to embrace the fefulchcrs ofS^PeterandSSaulandallfrincelyJiatelaied ajide ^an' deth huTK bly j^raymg vr.to the Saints that they rpould bee ih- terceffours vnto Godfor him. Where we deny not Chryfb- Itome to be the authour of the words which he citetli, if he had truely tranllatcd them. For tliougb the firlt part of the homily whence hee citeth them bee vndoubtedly coun- terfeitc, asappeareth hy the matters of ftory in the bc- o tbifi ad S^"^"S which cannot agree to the time of Chryfo- €i>riitibom.i6. Itomc , yet the authour of the beginning hach taken the latter and greater parte thereof out ot a ' fcrmon of Chryfoftomc otherwhere : but the wordes that hee citeth are not fpoken of Gonftantine as hee pretendcth them to bee. Which to colour and hide that his Reader might not take knowledge of it,hee altereth the Tenje wherein Ghryfoftomefpeaketh. Chryfoftomc layth,H«r that is reuefied: M.Biiho^ {kith f hee thitrvas , Chryfo- ^omc Cakhf he goeth: M. Bifhop faith, ^ffi'.es ^ nor fought for any mediitoarjbtit too^e repentance to hee her aduocate^ andfow^ntto the v~rfe'> Hovwltpro- fonntaine. He teacheth that '' with Godwee accde no inter- f«'!-EHangeiij c:JfourSy wechanenoneede tointreate others y hnt though a ''•"'♦4- mi^be id ne andhAH? no proUonr tofpeake forhim, but by hintfilfepr^yto God^h:PK:lbcmade piirt.:k^r cf his req'4(fi^ But what opinion die ancient church had of worlbipping of 1 79 Tie Ar^l^er to D. Sifh'ps of lepulchers an J iiiuocation of Saints it hath beenc before declared :itisrul-ficicnthcrethatwceacquic Conftantine horn the opinion and piaitife thereof. But the thing th;.c is (poken of Coiiitantinc in the place cited is, that h/s fonne thought it a great honokr th^':t he might Uj his fathers body in the porch or entry sf S.Peter. Vs/lwch^'^QQQh howfocuer it proceeded from Chryfollorae is much different from the certaineandvndoubtedftoryofConftantines buriall, of whom Eufcbias dedareth that building a fumptuous and ftately church for a memoriall of the tweiue Apoflles hec I ^^fgyjt yif^ did there alfo erc6l ^tvfelue goodly plUrs^^wdi fo placed them Conjimit, lib.^. asto hauc intliemiddellatombc and buriall for |his ownc €aj>.6o, body «This Conftantine aiTumed to himlelieas a matter of his own difpofition and agreeing to hisimperiall ftate,and left it not as an honor of religious courtcfie to be procured by his fonnc. And therefore wee cannot fee how Chryfo- ftome fhouldiuftly fay that his fonne thought it an ho- nour done to his father , thathee might lay his body in S. Peters porch, vnlefl'e wee flioulde thinke that they did him an honour to lay him in the buriall which hee Wmfclfe had prouided for hirafelfe. But let this pafle as beeing no- thing to the purpofe : oncly letM.Bilhop remember that he hath done Conftantine wrong in making Chry Ibftomc to report of him that which indeed hee reported not , and therefore as yet we haueno proofe that Conftantine was of the lame opinion m matter of religion with the prefent church of Komc, 26. W. Bishop. jLufeh ie yiu Hefurther'tooke order for the hurytKg of his own body i» the fr'Ir''' ^^'^'^^fi^f*f'^Tomlesofthetw(flue ^poflles, th.it ^after his 'lbid.c4b.71. ^^*^ ^^ might be partaker of the prayers, which fhould be there offered in the honour of the Apoftles. Ntyther was hefrafirated of his holy dejire , for as itfclloweth in the 7 1 « Chafi§f the fame booke^t hisfunerals^he feeple ioinwgwith the EpMe to the fQn^ i yy tl}efriefts,'rvith mar.y tearcs, ar: d great fghes^ powrcd out praicrstor the good Empcrouis foule, R. Abbot* Thck tvnelfie pilUrs bcforc-namcd, ercikdby Con- ftantinetoanlwcr the number of ihc tvvcUie ApolUcs, wherewith for princely Hate he enuironed the place ot his owncburialljMtBifliopby his skill ot irctaiiiorphinng luth turned into the tcntbes of the tyvtlue KA'pcftiesy w hercas there was not any one ctthe Apoltles buried or entoiTibcd there. Againe/he goeth about to perfwade his iVlaieftic amatterasofConftantines intention, which was indeed no other but the hiftorians iniudicious and prelunicd ap- pIication,and yet as it is ItandethM. Bifi'cp inno fteedc atall, Lctliim giueiiieleauetocenriirc Eufcbius a little, becaufc the * Canons of his ovvnc church hauc cenfurcd * ^'Jf/* ^'^*' hini much more. ByEufebius himfclfc it is plainethat pj* / £'^'^* ConOantine at the firlt acquamtcd no man with his pur- i^mana. pofe in the building of thole twclue pillars: but forfooth at the Lijl it was plainly fof^rd by c.lmtn what he me nt ther- ^ £uftbM ytt4 by. Yet Conftantiredid no more but onely take order ^'>«/'«"^W.4» that his body fliould be buried there, but Eufebius ma- ^''^■^^* keth conftru6lion what he thought thereof long before when by his cwne conlciTion he faide nothing. L onftan- tinepraied not for his' fathers fcule at the performance 'D' '>'>'* Cen. ofhisibneraIs,ncrwifhcd any praicrstobec made after ^ '*"'•''« «''"'i^« his death for his ownc fcule, but hauing receiucdbap- tifine newly before his death, profcflcda ihdt'aii hope thatnecdcthno(uchafter-praiers;° KcwIkMcw tha lam ^^ iLidAib.^,,': indeed a blejfd and hapfy man: that Cjcdhdth accouy. ted mce <"«/■. 6^:< v>oonhyof;mmortaUlifc,andthatiAm ticw m.idc par-akir •f the light of Cod. Andwhcnthcy that Ikcd about him wiflicd him longer life. heanfw ere d ' that hcch.:df:avat- ' ^^'^* tetned the true lifeyay.dthat none hut himfdfe didt rJt rj}a)jd •frphAt hapfptejje he rras made partaker, find therefore that Aa hi he hAJienedandwoHld not delay bis g()i>igto ht! ^od. Thus Conlhuicine died oucrighc a Protellantjhe craned no prai- crstor hisfoLile lie dreaded wo ir'urgacone : iiee died with kbid.ca^*6^^ full r.'(oiacion of going imaiediady co his God, And th us Eulcbias fpeaketh of" him: ^^bout n.one .faith hc^hee wai taken vp tJ G)d, leAui'^q^ to theffrctudths morta'lpdrt of himfclfe b'At at toHching the vud-:rli mditg foyje, the more dmne p.irt bshgiam^dto hi-s Cjod, Bu: why th.n did the people praie tor his foulc? jurely not to dehuer him from purgacorie : no man did imagine him co bee broi- ling there: no man made quellion buc that the foulc of Conllantine was u\ heau^n. They praied onely co cdtitie their loue in wilTiisig well to him to whom further they could doe nothing,euen as man/ amonglt vs, who talk- ing of frinds depai'Ced,are woont to lay, Godrefl his fade, Godi peace be with his fouls ^ who yet uoCAfithltanding de- a ride and defpifebodi Purgatorie and the Pope : euen as fe(fli.9.cerlajtmg,contt nuailtranq mhtte Qr peace &jor . the thinges that hs did in ths body r.iotceth now in the fr^iits of Gods rewardhecanfe he loued the Lord his CJod^hy hath ob- it n jtainsdthe companic of the 5^;Wjeuenas Charles the Great ^4 11'-, y^TOttto\. Sifhops terformeat his table by theftgnes of his body andbbv.d. So that whereas M, Bilhop would haue vs to bcleeue a reail facrificejEufebius telletli vs only dta remembrance infieed offlicrifice : and whereas M. Bilhop would haue the lacri - iicc performed by the very body and bloud of Chnft* Eufcbius teileth vs that ic is pcitormed by the fignes of his body and bloud. The manner ot the fathers indeede is to call the celebration ofthelacrament by the mxwzdiajacr.fice * JmuR epif} t>ecaule as S. Auitm obferucth touciijng tiiat point, ^fh~ J ^. ** crjmenrs doe take the mme of the thinges vph.reofthey are fa- craments becanfe of th:^refemb/ar:ce th.it they hjue to the fame thmgr. et^cn as thefacrament if(^hri(ics body is in fome fort his body, and the (acrament ofChrifiiS bhud is in fome fort his blond, and though Ckrififuffer.d btit once^ jet becaufe of the celebration 0} thefacram^ht tt is called the day ofchriji tp.iffS nvhereintve k^cpe the meminallthsreof andthough (fhrtfl « himfelfe werefacrt^cedb'^t once,yetinafacramsy2t ormyfltry he is eH-^ry day facrijicedfjr the people: not in himfelfe y but = Cont.Pau^^ in a mjflerie ; cucn as cHewhere he faith : that ' theflefh and iiamch.Ub. x o. yiQij^ofChrifi ffafriflce wasgiuen in Jjts paffion in very truth, but afierhi<:afcenfionis celebrateubj afacramentofremem-^ ^r«tw^.And thus thetathersthemleiues declared their own meaning purpofcly and profeffedly, ^ tve offer mt another ^ V r ^' f^^^ffi-^^^^ alwaies the fame, yea rather we yvorke the remem- Hth.io. brance ofafacrifce : " JVe offrr him the fame alwnies or rather « Thiophyl in. vos make a remembrance of the offeri?7g of htm as ifhee were H:b.\o. n»iv offered or facrificed : ^ We doe not off .r another facrifice f Tntodoret^in y.^^ doe performs a remembrance of that one and fauiiqfacri- ' ' fice, thtt by beholdiagthe figures orfgnes we may callto mind thefuff rings that he vndertooke for vs. And iieretoferuc s Cypr.Ub,!. the words of Cyprian: ^ Inall our fieri ficesws makementi- sfift. J. on of the Lordspaffton^for thepaffton of the Lord is th.- facri- fice which we offer. For ihhe paJJIm ofChnfi be the facrificc which we offer, our facrificc cannot be a facrifice no we re- ally offered, becaufe chrifte now fufFcreth not his paflion Ecally, and therefore it is but onely a memoriall of the fa* crifice Epijlle to the Kj)ig, i g j crificcofliispafTion, ofwhichS.Auflin trucly faith, ''/tr h ^ughfl. cent. thefoiiercitgneardontlpruefacnficethcbUkdofChYiji: vias a'ufr'.AT.U^. fty Jhedforvsj tlutwecinay vndcritande tl.at thjhcadmgoff'f^"^-^*'^''"*' C/>n/?/i^/(7^^,wliiclnvasonclyvpon t)iccroire,w.cu- ^ ' JV j . . mcniu > dcrincih Uh-v bluHdyfunficL' to confill/» v;^TPes ,„n>ijirai.ii. MdhjmncSAtid praters vnto God^ and ]Lvikh'\Ui' h-- pi.re ■ nd . an^.Ub.u hoi) 1 §4 ^'^ Anfwer to DM/hopf ijhid. ^5/y)j;ffr%j, and confoundingitfo often with '' thereajo- mif/e/emice cf God commcndcdto vs by tlic ApoftleS* Paul, teachetii vs that ic Ilandeth ' irt gtutrtg vp cur bodies to * i^ow.ii.i. be a lifitngfftcrifice hely and'acccfiable -vnto GW^fcnd at large d^kxhtthitlhus: PVefacr'tjicea^idbHrf^eiKcenJe, one w^y^ celebrating the remembrance cf thmt great [acrifite by the my Jieries which he hath deliuered andQUiir.gihankesjor ourjal' nation^ artdoffcring religiem and denout hymnes and praters to^od : anctherwaycofijecratingourfeltteswholyvntohimt and dedicatingcur Jelues both in body and fin le to his high fricfleuenthenveorde lefiisChrtfi. ihusCyril faith that „ "^Jj ^p' " ChriB hath innumerable in heapten that doe ojfervntohim tinM.pofh' fp^^tuallandvnblcudyfacri^resy and we hope that M.Bi- ihop will not hereupon gather that the Saints {ay Mafl'e in hcauen,but will take the fame for hymnes andpratfes and r)??^»/^w/^^j,asbyCyrilhimfclfc ic is expounded. By all which it is plaineand euident that the name of vnbUu' dyfacrifice'm the language of the fathers foundeth nothing but what is approoued and followed in the dodrine and pra6lile of bur church. As for myfttcallconfecration it is but that which S. Au- •^jiuguft.in ftin fjpeaketh of concerning baptifme, "" the adding of the han.traii. 8 o . y^^fr^^ fg ffy^ oHtward element te make thereof a facrament^ whcrby the thing that in nature is common bccomirieth » ^? J J • ; my fticall in v(e, ^ not by chanetna the nat^ire thereof, but by adatnggracevnto nature* And tluis bread and wine by conitctonon cr fanSlification through the woordof God become wzjy?/ir^///Ji7;7fj of the body and bloud of Chrifte, '■Tbtod'duil.i. yec "" they doe net hereby depart from their natffre cf bread and wine, but they continue jiill in their former fubfianceand figure andforme, though vnderltood tc be that ih^y are now made^ myfitculljignes of chrilles body and bloud, and therefore vfed with reuerencc accordingly. Tor'- myjieriej • Chryftfiom. are ft called^ as Cliryfoftom faith, becaufe wee doe not fee m.iXer.hom' 7. therein that which we beleeue, but we fee one thing er beleeue another* The vnbeleeuer j^ithbSf hearingof the water of baptifme Epl^ktothelQng. 185 kaftifme tak< th it to he mecn ly yvat(r» tf.t I doe r.ct btirdyji e that nhih iJee,Lht I be held t hi rein i he clenf^g ofthejctde by the hen oh a ^ 1 0 uiiichpurpolc itisiaicic by theNiccncb - .,^,. counctli ^ Our kaftijme m^jt be coijidindnct rvith bcdt/yar,f,g„d.txCut' etes bfitwith theaes if the fntr,de.'l hcufetH rpatcr.but corJi'btrt.TonJJdlL der the ptwer of Codhtddininihe tvater, ihinkethc vraterto befhlliftheJarU^ipCAtUncfthe holyghcji ard oj duke fire, ^oihcxcicit" the facr^mtnts vhuh rve rccctue cfthe body ^ ' "/'^""^Zr and b/oud of Chrtjt ^rt to our Imh by this n^yfticall confe-y?,"/' cration a diuine thtig^&rve thereby ( being ducly partakers therof j^sr^" made fa; t^.kerjofthe diutne nature^ and yet there ceafeth tic t to be thejubfia^ce or nature of bread and ntne. Wliercforc neither in vnblohdyfcnfice r.crm nyfttcallcon- feir^tion hath M. Bifhop toiind any tlung tohelpc him fclte,norhath yet any good ground whereupon to affirmc that Lcnlhntine was ot the fame opinion in matter of re- ligion wuh the prefcntchurcli of Rome* 28, W, Bishop* MoreoHer thti^alous emp^ttr reprehended Acefius {4 , SoXpmtn, Ub.u Nouatian heretkks)forjayt g, th. t tt tvasnotm the power ef'^'ft'Ecdyca^. *Prtefls,bfit cfGod ondy toforgtuejir.nejy * ^ * R. Abbo t. I f M . Bifhop had but the common honefty of a man, hec would not thus fcckc to delude any man, much ieflc deale thus vndutifully aud dilloially with iiis prince. Hec cannot but know it hee know the iloric at all. but that in ihismaterofAcclius there IS nothing cither for him or agamllvsinanycontroucrfiebctwxitvsand them. In the » TheoJom* tune otDccius the cmperour* there were m^nie that ioxf>^r*t.fabMl.li. fcare and by extremitie of tonnent did renounce their i''""^"**** faithjand yeeldcd ro facrifice vnto idols. Otthefe there grew queilion afterwards, whether they were vppon Bb their 1 86 jfte Anfwer to VMJhops their repentance to be admitted to the communion of the church or not. Nouatus defended that they were not to be any more rcceiued to thefcllovvfhip of the church, and added Further that no man fo falling could be put in hope «► Eufth.hifi. oi faluation/^/^. /> he did afterwards nl things fermnmg .to EccHib.6. repentance and conf^JJim of the faith ofChrifi. Heereupon he f^f r.^r^^ alo?:e. P'P^l^' For It is not the emhajfidour , ii is net the tnejjefKtL'r^ faith he bnt th r L rdh tnife ife that hat hfuH -'d his people . He abtd i h alontbeC(i"ft it cannot be common to Any man with Chnjl to foygtHefinne r . 7 his is the office ofC hriji ondy ivho- l^th tttk^ n \n»ay thcJfyjHesoftheivorld. And this whole mativrplami^ appeareth byCyprian wliopi'ofoOedly fpr^kii>or»t ?h^ab-' Bb 3 loluticn 1 90 77?^ jfnf^tY to D. H'tjhops IblutioD and forgiuencfle of the church by occafion of fomc who oucr cafily had obceined the lame that they might not flatter thcmlelues that they were thereby dil- charged, wholly to ouerchrow M. Bilhops craft and cc- ' Cxf «■'"»• '<« cupauon of forgiuing of fumes, vfeth thei'c wordcs ' Let ' no man decciue himjelfe, let no man btgntle hmje'fe : ir is the Lord oyjdly that canjhervmercy : itish^ o/ielythat can pardon thefinnes that are committed a gat /.fi him ^ ipho htmfelfe bare j ourjinneSiVphofirrowcdforvSj tvh^me Goddeltuedfor our . fmnes. Afan cannot be greater then God^ neither can the fer-^ uant by his fauour remit or pardon that ivhtch by great trej" \ pajje is co?nmitted againB the Lord, leafi to the former fall this j be added for ancthtr fault to be ignorant of that that is /aide, j Curfedts the mi-in that trujieth in man, 7 he Lord ts to bee irtr \ treated veho onely hath receiued ail tudgc ment of the- Father, \ Thus Cyprian (pake, then whom no man difputcd more earneftly agajnft tlieNouatian & Acefian hcretickes ; hee challengctn the power of forgiuing finnc$jas Jt is proper- ; ly vnderftood to God oneJy : he yeeldeth to tJie Minifte- rie a power to remit and forgiue, but ip,as it remaineth to ■ ilU.fuh ^odi ' to make good that which for penitents is 'done by the finem PriefiyOX by the minifterie of the church. Speaking pur- pofclyoftheabfolution giuen by the church , he wouldc neuer haue fo abfolutely dilclaimed the forgiuenefle of finncs, if he had taken tlic Priefts ablolution to bee as the Popifh Pricll taketii it, an inunediate and a6iuall forgiue- nefle in the fight of God. But he neuer knew M,Bifhops facultie of forgiuing finnes , a meere deluding and de- ftroyingoffoules hee was neuer acquainted with his po- pifhfhnftor auricular confciTiDn. We approouc the lame that he did : wee fet no barre againil any mans reconcile- ment to tlic church. We pronounce forgiuenefle of finnes by the worde of the Gofpell generally to all that repent. Particularly alio to euery man afflicted in confcicnce , and » Mat»$. 1 truely repenting Imii thereof wc lay, " Bee of good comj<. rt\ f fcwm-j i«34« thjJintHS Art Jorgiuen thee J Forfo Codhath^ pnmifed ^ And to Epijlle to the K^ng. i p i to * lefus Chrift allthef rochets beare vpitnes that throng his « ^Cii 10.4 j. name all that beleeue whim Jhall hdUeiforgmenejfe offmnc^ And that in dilbcfle of mind by occafion of any r^aghtte I matter hce may the more fully and eti'^Siudlly apprehend I the comfort heereot, Chrift hamng giucn authority for the I reconcilement of finncrs to the body of the church m the (bcietie thcrcot to be partakers of the forgiuencfic of (ins, bcccauleoutofthat locietie tlicreisnoforgiuenelJc, wee doubt not to lay in the miniftcrie of the cliurch, • / abfolne « Cemtmn. thee from all thy Jiyjs^not9SV[\zcxQ\y by this our a6l to ac-^ookemthe yi. quite him in hcancn, but heercby to aflurc him that Chrifl ^J'**""' "/''" acquitcth him in heauen, becaufe hec hath proniifed , that"^'"'* what we loofe on earth fliall be loofcd in heauen, as before was faid. But otherwife or in other meaning to fay as the Popilh Priell faith, / ab/olue thee from all thy fins, we hold it a prefumption of Antichrift,& no authority giuen there of by the Gofpcll of Icfus Chrift. ap. W. Bi SH op# TimllyytowardtrHe 'Bifhops^the lavofnllTaflors ofChriJles Churck, he caned fnch are ftirendreffe^ ^\th.-.tbewg in the cottncetlofNtce, he would not fit dowfje, before thej had becl^ ncd vr.to himfo to doe « ^nd w^sfofar front tahmg vpon htm to be fftpreame indge^tn caufes Ecclefui^tc^ll: that hee openly there froffffed that it dtdnot beLng to htm to nidge cf Bifhop^ but to be tudgcd by them R. Abb OT. rtefingiilar modeftieandhumilitie of this moft no- ble ChriftianEinperour is by M.Biftiop fingularly abu- Icd to his wronge,and to the derogation of all other Chri- ftian princes, and is vrgcd againft the pra6tifc ofhimlelfe,» i^/ebjeyita He was of fo lowly carriage, as that hee called * etterie oneconjl^ntjib.i^ his brother andfellowf(rHant,znd therefore no maruell if'"/.!?* towardcs 1 92 Tl^e Jnfwer to V. Bif,o(>s towards fb many graueand rcucrend buLops h?e demca- , . ^ ned liimfelte m very iiiodeft vvile> hi ce laiv iiO% diovvne nil thebilliopsbccknedouhiin, butyetiiif iate' in the h;gh^ * (fi placanajeate of gcldit\\ey cJl rok to him .tt hib com- miiigin, andfatenocdownecillhe vs'.isicc , and his low- ly behauiour cowardes them did not make tlum torgct their dutie toward him. When hce was ict they bring to himtheirlibdls and articles one againlt another ; liee for louc and cjuietnefle lake relufetJi to nieddle therewith : hec telleth them that he were fitter to be ludged by them then they by him, and lb cauleth all their Icroies and bils to bcc call into the fire, and bcndcth hnnlclte to pcdwade them all to concord and peace. But therein we lee the BuTiops acknowledging him tobetheirfupremeiudge, and there- fore referring their quarrels and controuerfics to him, and fromtheiracifhouldweradier argue for the fupremacic of the prince, then from his modelt retufaiiforthcdeiiy- ,., J ingoFit. Butitplainely appcarethinthellorythathe late as prclident and moderatour or that counccli , ' rccetm^g cut ry mans opnion , help/igfometimes one part, jometimes a- nother : reconctltng themvehenthey were contrtiiitujly rvrang- lirg '.gently and cartcoujly talking to euery man , appealing fome-y ferfivadiKg ethers, prayfif^gothcrs tillhc brotight thtm tea concord and agreezKent in chefuith: yea and when the «* cA\>.\i. Bilhops of Egypt afterward greweto contention againe « f4/». z J . ^ he tnterpofed hmffilfe as arb.tratour of their cnntroucrfies. Yea and afterwards lie by hts Utters is laid ' to haue prefcri- bed to the Bifhopfuch thlges as beloyrgedto the good of Godt church. And that M. Biliiop may know that Conltantiiie i Th ' e ^^^^ himfelfe the fuprcme lUijge ouer biiliops, let him hifi.ltb'i ca<,i9 hcarc COnftaniine himlelfe laying concerning theift ; // ivee haue holy's //hops J ofright beleife^aKdmcn endued with humanity we fhalbe glad : but if any audacisnCy and vnadui" fedlyfhalgrowto ths commendingofthofepejii'entherefieshis s AM^uJf.epifi. tn/o/ency /ha/be reprejjed by the excution of Gods feruant, eueu 161. by me. Therefore he accepted ofappealcs when they were made Efijlle to the ^»g. i p j made to him * from the Judgement of the bifljo^s^ and ci-« ^«^.:a:y.c rely they h.::d Ccried ihimftli.es tnthctnudgtmcnt, ^"^"'"'"•''^•i' Whtreby as by many other hke arguments it is nianucft v^mjih^i, toallmcnthatConltantinchcldhimrclleto haueafupre- hjijaf^z. macieoiierbiDiOpsind tobe iudgcot tlieir iiidgementSj andthatM Bifliopleck(thmeerclyto.';bule his mcftcx- ccllcnt Waicrtiein alleagingihe example of Conftantinc againilhim. 30, W. Bishop ♦ Jf then this right T^ut^fara Emperotry andmoflfyncere Chrijiiayireuc rcr.ci dihe Sacrifice of the (J]'Ii:.ffc, dr be U eued th.'t I here was pcwc r tn Pricfts to remit (ins^that S^.ints were to bepraicdvyjto^a/ d that pn.t:r was to be made for th: deadly andfy.ch lik^^as afp areth bjihe ct. ider.t tcjiimcnyi(fmcji ap~ prcued^: ut hours, t hat Itucd with htr/tL thy iir Adui/jiy ar.y ca Jf to d:t. bt bi:tthut in matt, rs (f faith he f greed with the preJeKt^Ri man c httri hf fVher f re n.j hopi' ana trt^fi in *Al- m'ghty^odisythatj'H inycr.r highwijdon e, vfcnmattire and due confideration^how marycldcor.dimr.i dcrrors the Vro tefiuKts ho.'d'.iy wit ha //weighing th.tiken ho/^ f\ me eft heir DoHrine tendethto the dtJgractngojGcd, and hts H Hints yto Cc thf 1 94 *rh^ Anpt^er to ©. !Bip?ops the dlfioftragemgnt cfmm,jrom ivelldoing,x^ doth (as it were ioo/en the ratnesv'ftto all flepjiie tibertie: will intimsmnl^a moft Godly refolpttion^to imitate that famous Emperour Con- ftantine. He contrarie to hlsformer edncatioHfemhraced rvith all his power that fams %omane Religion^ rvkich we r.owpro- fejfe', ^r,d(which isworthie to be obferHedjhsfearednothiig the contrarie dijpofitio^i of the multitude, or greater part of his fubieUs, that were wh o lly led another way. But following the blejfed example ofhis mo/} vrtfiousOi'ioi her S.Helena, re- pofedhtmfi l[e in thepowerfall affiance of the ^Imghty^ and chafed all other Religions into comers^ fetttng vp and frmelj fiabifhingthe Roman. There can be ns caiife al.'e.^dged why your Matejij mxy not do ths Itk^Jfit \halpleafe <^ed cffetiuaUj tojlirvpyourgratiousmindcyandto bendyour hart to vnder- taj^ it :for at that ttms there was more lil^l/hood ofrejifiancey then nowe'.and now much morehslp at handy if any reftfiance. Jhotild he offered. R«Abbot. You are an excellent man M, Bifliop, at a conclufion. Ifyou could furnilh and fecure the premises as you can i cnhaunce & amplify the conclufion wee ihould be terribly ' f troubled with you. But it is truelie faidej Deb.lefmdtmen^ i tftmfallit opHslaJlight foundation mak^s a falling houfe lyow might eafily haue prefumed tliat his Maieltyisofmore found and (etled indgement then to be moued with fuch bafe and beggerly coUe6tions. We cannot finde in your al« ; legations either your facrifice of the Mafle,or your Popifh 1 power to forgiue iinnes, or any other of the points which ! I either you haue here repeated or before propounded . VVe ' hear e you lay it but we cannot fee you proue it, that Con- ftanrine in matircr of faith agreed wiclitlie prefent Roman church. Indeede he neuer knew the taith that is now in Rome:if he were now aliue he would (pit in your faces that go about to nuke hiin partaker of your new ^ abhomina- blc Epijlle to the f^if^. i^^ bic deuifes. And therefore as touching his moft excellent Maieltie we doubt not but that iindiiig your forcible rca- fons to be friuolous & vainc follies, your petitions & liip- plicationsto be nothingellc but Donatilticall importuni' ties, he will rtill embrace the truth which he hath recciucd and as he hath hitherto detefted your impious and wicked proceedings, To he will deteft them more and more, and by all meancs cndeuour to keepe his people free from tnofe damnable idolatries and iuperftitions whereto you labour to cntrnppc them. In which courle his Maicftic hath great caufe to aflure himfelfc of the ready afliif ancc of almighty God, hauing had fo good and notable expe- ncnce thereof in himfelfe, and beholding it fo deerely in ourlatercnowmedQueenc, whole niiraculous preferua- tionagainitfomany bloudy counfels and attempts of (e* cret and open enemies, and namely of this viperous and Icrpentine generation of Icfuites and Romifh pricftes^may iullly giue his Maieftie encouragement to doe as (hcc did, ilcdfaltly to continue in that which by the woorde of God he hath learned vndoubtcdly to bee the truth of God. Yourobieftionsof hcrcfics and dilgracing God and his Saints are cleered before. As touching good life and conucrfation, we fee not fuch f ruites ofy cur do6^rinc as that we canthinkcyou hauc any caufe to braggether- of. Ifthere were of vs any fuch milcrcants, fuch monfters and diucls incarnate^as there haue been of your Popes and Cardinals, his Maielhe would not forbeare to fiiewhim- fcli'c the fermnt cr offtccr cfGod^as Conftantinc called him fclfcjto be auengedot fuch doings. Such Athcifls, fiich dogges there were ncuer found in anydccourle of men. MachiaucUthe mailer of them could fay * thi^.t there is r.o\^^'*'^^'*'"^' where I [fe pic Ijcr rcltotcn then in them th^t dypell r^ec r< flto[ '^"J'*^' ' Romcj ;ind the common prcuerbe importethlcmcwhat the ttccrtr the church thefmtherfrcm Cod, It is Qcmc to h p^ofpin,de tliat paflc with them that the name of a chi iftian is a word Orio^MonacK ofreproch, and is vfcd in the Italian tongue to note '"^ ^'^ <^-'*'^^. C c 2 hiockjpcAd i 96 TheAnfmre to T>. 'Bifhjps Iflockheadorfoole.'iouCAy our dodi'ine ttndcth to flefl^ly liberty, but it is your doctrine ofabfolutions and pardons thatistlie verytountaineof all vviclcednefl'e and linne. « M rfil Va- Mar filius Patauinus could fay of it oiold,'that: it vas aper- iamn defenf. ntcioHS (ind brainfick^ dc^irtMC, and the f educing of fonles, fetch facis.pauz as all Chnfitans fjopildtake heed of, whereby the Gcrmanes «4. z6, complained , ^ that allfiety was abandon d and cxtingHtJhed '"'"""" ^'"'*'* wtth t ht nti whence proceeded whooredomes,incefis, adulteries tpitd.ll'' p^riurieSi mtirt^ers, thejt^ extortion^vjUYy andaUmavner ^ Centum gra- $tam.Germin, art, I lyric, in catal. uUs, Miattliew Paris could iay cf the tuiie whcrcin your iefi.yerit, do£lnnc hoccQiw^j , ' He isinthefestimes r.ccomteda very « Mm!). Tartf. ^^^^ ^^^ ^^^^ ^^ mtfiarke naught. As touching our ielues in Htnr, 5 ^^ confcdc that we are not fuch as we ought to bcjneither doth our thankfulnefl'e in due fortanfwer Gods goodncfle towards vs,but yet we hope we are farrcfrom being fo bad as your owne Itories haue reported you to be. Pardon vs, M. Bilhop ; we ftand vpon our reputation in this behalf. We can neither heare of forren nations^nor fee in the beft of your catholickes among vs that there is any caufc for you to take vpon you in conuerfation to be preferred be* fore vs.. '3T. W, Bishop. Tar don me deare Soueraigne, if before I fini/h this argu- ment, Ifeemeouer-boldheere to prefect vntoyour memorie, that all your ntofi gy-atious and godly T^rogenitors, and all our holy Vredecejfors, who now ( ajfuredlj ^Jiand before the tribw naUofCjcd: doe demaund a/idex^eti no le'^^e at y'^ur hands.. For they found, d not Bi/hopricl^s,Deaneries^and othc rjpiri- tnall hutngs'jhfy buildednot Colleges ^and Schools^ for Prote~ Jiants or the irfauourers .bonder well therefore I bi'JeechyoHr Aiaieflie^whcther they doenot^ormnj not iuftlyxhallengeof yoH^ ( to whom the admintfhation of tujlice belongeth) ) to fee andprouide : that fuch Churches^ Church-ftuings ^ ^/pirttU" al/ rewards of learning, as they erected ^ bequeathedto T^tf- mm Ep'iflle to the I(in^, i ^y I m m 3i/hop.c, and Prieflesy be difpojed. of and hejiowedaccor- dingtothetrcrMtons, ar.dfoundAtion . if it (hdlpleafe the Vrvtcj^ai.ti to ereB any new Churches, or bcfiovp r.ny other re - uoiHiStoyp.'.rds their Minijlersmwitcy:. nee, let th.m hane thiw b t> d(y, andenky thtm c^Hietly'.omly let thtm be cement, out ofth:ir e<^f4ttie'.to leapt c vs that which w^u frouidedfor vsy tmd beqHeathedvnto vs bj our mofl Religious Auncefiors. R. Abb o t. Wefeewliat itis,M Biiliop that you would haue : you plead hard tor BiHiopnckes and Deanncs, and furcly , you need not doubt but it you can make good that which * you haue uTitten, you (hall haue what you dcfirc» You fdyihsktallhis MAtefliesCJodly progenitcurs and holy pre de-- cejfohrs doe expeB at his h-mdes to eflabltjh the Romane relu gion : but howe come you to know their mind, or wlierc haue you beene to aduife with them of that matter? Sure- ly if they were asked their aduife for our direction, they would fay as A braham (ayd, * Thty haue UMofes and the * ^»^' » ^- 19; prophets let them heare them, ^ihcy haue afure word of the ^-^'''i* ^9' prophets ^ ^pofilesUet them locke to it at to a candle jbiniyig in a d.%rke place ^ Yea but you tell vs that Biflioprickes rfnd Deanries, and churches and church-liuings were by them erc6led and bequeathed to Romane Billiops and Prieftcs, not to Proceftants and their fauourers. But you fpeake partially. M Billiop, and we cannot beleeue you therein. By hillorieit appeareth plainely that ' Aullm the blacke ^ Bedahifiec Monkeathis comming into this Hand neere fixehun- f/c/i^^w. ^w^r/ dred yeres after the incarnation oi Chr,ftc found here ma- ^'^- ^'^'^f.Z' ny Bifhops and Prielles and very learned men farre dilfe- nngfromRomifh Prieftcs. infomuch that they reic6tcd G.ufriJ. Mo. histraditionswhich he broupht from Rome, dettfted his "','""""'' ' * * pride, renounced his authority and would not accept him B.uf.faipt.Bri- for their Archbifhop as hedefiredto bee. There were tannk hi.i. then '' Abbics a great number in which the Hockc of chr;rt "I'^r^mimu C c 3 (being I pS Tl:e Anjiver to T>. (B'tfhops (bcingindecd ofitudentsinDiuinitic) was kept in good order. Amongll other there was a Banger in Walesa church ot" a Choufand two hundred Menkes, not Po- pilliMonkes and idle btUy-gods, but all liuing with ihc labour oFtheir handes, and btllowirg the time of reft from their labours m praier and meditation of the fcrip- BaUytfufra. tures.Outot: this church long before that time went ' Pe-. lagius the hereiickc, whole Jo6^rjnc of tree will then not only tlie Britons bur al Ronufh pritfts detcftcd and abhor- red, which now is ilifflie maintained by Roniilli Pneltes. Ouer that church at Auftms ccir.mir.g was cr.e Diiicchus a very learned man, who whc-nAuitm required thebi- fliops to be fubieft to his Romiili autlioritie, perl waded them by diuers arguments that they did not cwc lum any fuch lubie6lJon. Whereat Auftinbcingclfended, prouo- kcd king Ethclberc againrt them, by wliole prociuenicnt anarmie of infidels was fent to Ihie them, who cruellic andvnmcrcifully performed the llaughter, not ^Ijsating them who in their fliirts cametoorthto them to intreat mercy. At that time was there one ^Daganm a bifl:op of Scotland that had bee ne brought vp in that colledge of Bangor, who alfo refifted the proceedings of that Rcmifli Archbiiliop, and would not admit of alteration from thole obferuations which from the firft receiuing of religi- on had beencretcined amorgft them : Yea comming into England after the death ot Auftin he refufed to eatc with ""Laurentiusfucceeding in theplaceof Auflia and with Mellitus and luttus, all of Auftins company and condition, to fignifie his deteftation of thofe noueltics and fupcrltitions tliat were brought in by them. Then it Ihouldfeeme that our Bilhoprickes and Ipiriruall liuings were not firft founded for Romiih prieft eSjfince a Romilh prieft could haue no entertainment amongli the B ifhops that were here before, and by the meanes of that Romifh tUf^tnt.jin^* pricftfo many were martyred for refusing; to recciuc him, /^.^.Mf.io. Vea andaloDgtmieafter the' Britons ftiU refufed thofe Romilh Cbrtnicle died byB. lewelJe fenf.oftbe jifo in the begin- ninz. tCtntur.Mt^- iebttrg%6,caf. » H0linjh,h0. tfEngland, Seiahifi.eC' Epi,f}letotJ^ng, ipp Romilli noiiclcies, and with thcai ioined all the churches ^ jujit andbilhops ot Scotland, as '' A idanus,Finianus,Gohnan cap'i< '^' and n>any others, ohvhointhc faid'Aidanus was a man ' B.tiefcribt. fo rcno'A'mcd tor his learning and pictie, as that Olvvald Snt^in.ctnt.t^ king ot Nor rJiumbcrland lent for him to Donwald king ."/'•'""""'• ot Scots ^t^d made Inm a bilhop in his counrrey,Now al- ! though Aullm by tiiat that he tlien brought from Rome i did fomcvvhat contaminate the faith ot Chnft, yet was it nothing to the filth and abiiomination that afterwards was brouglit in ; lb tiiat the name of a Romiili prieft is a meere equiuocation betwixt the priplls that now arc, and thofethat were then. For then did the kings of this land ftiH reteine their fuprcmacie m caufes eccledarticall ; they founded bifhopiickes and niuciled to tliem at tiieir pica- lure, as did "Edward the conteflbur the biihopricke of'^Stowes.jtn. Exccter, and himlelfe with his Queene inuelled to it Leo- n-tls-inS.EtL- fricus : they made lawes for the order and gouernment of **'"''♦ the church as is to be feene by the lawes ot " Edward, of Alfred, of Ethelrtane, of Canutus and other princes be- ^^^"^•^'^' fore the conqiieft, and many lawes alfo made by Princes yoLt.in the'eiU • fincctheconquelt againft the vfurpations and intrufi- ' i{fportesofSit ens ofthe Pope. Then were the Scriptures in p foure fe- ^^^'-Cool^. ucralllanouaaesoffomany leuerall nations in this Hand f**!'^; „ bclidcthe Latine tongue common to them all, thereout cUrnent ^ml to fcarch the knowledge of Gods truth. Then were they hb, uc. i. ' in nionafteries "^ commaundedto bee exercifed in ihc '^ ^nnaU of rcadingoftiie Scriptures, and cuerie one was required to^"''"-^'"*"* learnetiieLordcs prayer and the Creed in the £nglifh ^'^ tongue. Then was tile Communion miniftred to the peo- ple in both kindes, Co that ' fouldiours going to bat-r MitthTarir tiilerecciueditm that fort according as from the hc-inH.^rsld.>'j^. ginning was accuftomcd in the church. Then was Thn~rr.u,i{<,f,, (ubftantiation altogether vnknownc, and when it be- ^ ^' * '^'^' '*'"^ gan to bee broched or not long after, ^ Elf rtcns then ''^J^'J"!^.^"'^^'''' ArchbiOiop of Canterburie, amongft manic Sermons jy.-jm,^ which he tranllated out of Latin into the Saxon tongue to Exln. bee ' l{pger Hotted, continuat. Bed part. I anno 79^* " Mmh.Tarif. in Will, Con ^ ConctLCanzr, y Bde.fcript. Britan.Cent.l, in Edgar 0, * Foxe,yiefs. 4tnd Minunt: ex GuUelm.de regih' lib 2. ^ Jdemexhifi lornalenjit 200 Tloe^nfit>erto11^^il})Qf5 be read publickely in tlie church^tranilatcd one to be read vponEallcr day, cxprcllycontradi6iing that new deuife, and conrcquently ouertlnowingthe facnfice of the mafle, Then did' theBifliopsand princes of this land condemne ethefccond Nicenecouncell as idolatrous and contrary to the true faith for teaching the worfiiippmg of images; ha- uingreceiuedthebookeof that counlell fenc vnro them from Charles the great, and writing to the fame Charles an epittle fubftaniially grounded out of the authoritie of holy fcripturc in reproote thereof, ihen wereiitiies and oblations giuen to married Prieftesand fo continued till the time of Hildebrand, " veho by an example new mA- firamgzn^ contrary to the exprefle canonotthe" coun- cell oiGnngra, (did nm-foue thsm front dootngdtmns feruice vphsnce grew great i rfcanddll then euer gretv by any heretic ifh. the church. Yea and our moft anncienc cathedrall chur- ches were places for married Pnclts,not for Popilli fiithie Votaries, as by the auncient recordes ofdiucrsof them and namely of the church ofWorceftcr apj.'eareih vntiU this day. It was king '' Edgar that firlt expuifed them al« moft a thoufand yeeres atter Chrifte, and that againft the will of his nobles and commons, when they ^ iiillly plea- ded for tliemfclues that being the auncient pofll Hours, they could notwitliout wro'ngbee eie6led from that they had (o long holden, and therefore were h"^ ' J/ferus a Duke of the Mercians and other nobles and great mena- gaine reftored to their former places. It is plaine then that the moft auncient foundafions and donations were intended to vs, M.Billiop, and not to you, and there- fore that we haue not therein vfurped any thing of yours, butrecoueredtheprfl'tflioncfour owne. As for latter ereiSlions they haue becne of two forts ; fome hauingreA pe6tedin them a bencfitc to themielues; others aiming at the benefite of church and common wealth. Men wercgrowen to the opinon that the building and indow- ingcfr^Iigioushoulesihouldbethe redemption of their fiones, FpiHle to the f^m 20 1 finncsjand the purchafeofthcirfoulcs healthy By rcafbn whereof they became maddc in giuing, and as cue of his cxpcncnccthediuell could fay, ^/)^^»f/<'r skirme,Hnd aU^ lob.z.^. tkit a mm hath yvill hegiuefor his Itfcy and as G O D him- felfc hath recorded the humor of men to hcc/ to giue his ' Mich.6.7, firji hcmeforhts tranfgrejftcn, euen the fiuite of his bodjftr thefmneofhisfouley lo it befell here that mcnnc burdened with their finnes and diftrefled in con{cicnce« and wanting the liglit ohhc funne of right eoufneffe to giue them the light of true comfort did fparc no coft, though to the wrong of their children and poflerity,to light vnto themfclues this walhng candle of talle and deluding hope. Now becaufc thefe foundations tended dirc6lly to the difhonour of Ic- iws Chrilt and to the crapeachment of his glorious vc- dctn^tionyind^ comwingfrcm the TVt^gcs of a harlot dtd re ^xh.i.j' tm-ne againe to harlots wages being epToied to the nourifli- mcntaiidpradifeof vndeanc and filthie life, tliereforc tlic hand of God and his Judgement was vpon them and they were deftroied with the deftruftiou of Babell vtterlic to fall and neuer to rife againe* Other donations and c- re^lions there were, which although they were intangled with the fuperftition of thole times, yet in their true and proper end were referred to tlic aduaunccment of learning tor the good of church and common wealth. Some men preferred to liigh place finding the want of learning to bee amaimetothemrclues,weremooued thereby to Icekethc (iipply thereof m others. Other fome without doubt were greatly offended to fee the horrible decay ot learning in monaftcries and houfes oi ,religion which were woont to be the fchooles and nourferies thereof. For after the comniing in of the fvvarmes of locuftes, that Romilh ver- \w\ncoi' begging frtars ydXi good artesand literature were ' UoJ^imUnM abo!ilhed,theskie was euen darkc witli the foggy miftes o^^g-^'^on^fK of barbarous ignorance, and it came to pafle that it was '^•'^♦'^•*'* taken vp for a common prouerbe, LMonacho indc5itor 7»ore vnlearnedthena, »?ow/^. Wherefore G OD determi- Dd niog • » 20i Tl)e\J'nJiperto'D.Sip70pj ningtheruincand ouerthrovv of that Sodome and Go- morrah raifed vp the fpints of feme by whom hec would prouide better for the blinding of his church. And hence arofetiiofe noble foundations of our 5'chooles andVni- uerficies^not mtended for i^omilh Priells but tor learned men to Icrue the ftate in all occalions of emploiment^ which by whomloeuer they were builded are moretruUc put to their vfe b)' vs then they were by others that hauc beenc before vs 5 our CoUcdges alfo being brought m lat- ter times by their abufe to mecre fophiftry and bar baritie, toftudiesot Necromancy and wicked arts: to the rea- ding of the Matter ofthe Sentences in rtecde of reading the holy fcriptures, and the true vfe of learning feldomc to be found. Now if withall any thing hath come to vs which was dire6Uy intended to the maintenance of Ro- mifh idolatry and fuperftiiion, wee take the fame as the Ipoile of Egypt wherewith to blind and furnifh the Taber- nacle of the Lord; and as you, M. Bifhop,in your apo- ftafie vHirped thofe donations that were firft meant to vs and our religionj fo giuc vs leauc by the gift of our God iuftly to inioie that that by the meaning of the founders was purpofed to you» Which our Princes by their la wes f ^„.^/?. tH,n afligningto vs haue done as Chrilfian Emperours of old 50. didjwho in like fort ^^'^o,2j(7^r<7r^^ trne catholkke church the church andrem}iu£SU\2X were founded and giucn by Ponatiftes to herefic and fchifmc. And as the church jat firft did which entering vponthe temples and pofleiTi- 6ns of heathen idolaters conuertedthe lame to the I'er- uicc of the true God,neither did th«y thinke[it a liifficicnt reafon to relinquiih the fan^ie to tlie maintenance of idola- tiybecaufe they were at firft intended to thatufe. And t^rmkadih Curdy in thefe magnificsil deuotions the Papiftes can chal- ^ent.lfi,^. Icngenomore to thcmfelues then of old the heathens Ba««wl'.6?j^o. ^^^'^f> who builded uifinite'ftately temples and altars » TtrtullM ' ^"^ bedecked with Hgold and filuer the idols and images ha'ftfm- oft^iejufiiods, wid performed , their idolatrou!;' folem* ,',' ' " ' nitics warn Fpijlk to the IQtig, 202 nitics with great preparation and coft, and ^ offered large ^ TertuL^p, and continuallcftcrings, and endowed their pricftswitlu'«^4i• ■■ lands and poflcdions, the glory whereof made them dc- '' ^'"^7.**. fpife the balencs as they tcokc it ot Chriftian rehgion , and j they vjibraidcd them to be ' Frmiles mev^ men tJiat did no iJ'Uf'f^^ good, bccaufe they /aw no fuch matters to proceed from them, TertiiUian anfwcring, ■" T^lusinfumtt msfcricerdta'^ ihid. mjira vicntim c^uam vefira reltgio tentf/atiml Our vsercj he- fiorveth mere in thejireetes thtnjoHrreligicn doth in your tem- ples. Yea and at this-day they fay tliat the Turkes ceafc not to bcftirre thcmfelue sin building !of religions houfes for 'their Monkes and Pricftcs to pcrforire fuch fuper- ftitions as their wicked Mahomet hath dire£^ed them, being perfwaded by him that by fiich merits they muft at~ teinc to heauen. In all ages indeede it hath beenc found true which S. Ambrofe fayth : " Ad JacrtUgittm perfdi " uimhrof.d* largiores qukm ad fa Intern fidclts Jnr.t \ AiijheUeuers are ^•f*^^o.\ih. mcrefuUofkrgeQe Ufacrilcdge ^ idolatrie then are the faith ^' "^' * fit/ito thofe thirgesthat concerne faiuation , becaufe as men naturally doe more regard their owne children then ftran- gers , fo are they naturally more ftrongly pofl'efltd with humane deuiles as their owne, then tlioie ihingcs which are of God, which arc fo much the more llrangc by how much the more of natures corruption doth ibll remaine* Now therefore on the one fide the largefle of Popery to the vfe oFtheir religion is no argumet ot the truth thereof, becaufe Turkes and heathens doc the fame : and on the other fide as if Conftantinoplc were brought vndcr the iurifdiftion of the Pope hee would not thinke it realbn that thofe things which were confecrate to Turkifh fuper- ftition fhoulde therefore remaine flill to the fame vfe : fo no reafon is it that thofe thinges which were firfl intended to Popifh idolatrie amongllvsfliouldc for that caufe bee ftill continued to the maintenance thereof, lufl'iiie your religion to be of God,and we are readie to yeeld vnto you die inallcrfbip and rule ofall. But that you cannot doe, Dd 2 and aiKl therefore wee fay as Ifrael fay d of oldc to the king of Amnion : ° fV&/4defi not thou pefp that which Chemojh ' ^'* 5^ ^ • * + ^yy Q^^ ^-^gflj ^l^g^ ^Q pg^.jf^ ? fo tvhomfoeuer th* Lord onr God driiicth out before vs them will wepojfjp' 52. W. Bishop. If all the fe reaforJS,and exceeding many other which might he muflered, andprodncedto the fame purpofey will not] fufficc toeffi^linyoHrMatffihy a loue and 4efire , to embrace thut auncic nt Roman faith.whtch al your renorvmed Progemtorsyfa highly renerenced, loued, and efteemed. let let me {profirate on my knee ) m9lt humbly bifeech your Highnc^e , in the name ofthoujandes \ that fofarre forth they mnypreuaile with ysu, as you will not permit thofe rtgortus lavpes,framedagam^ Recufant Catholickesy to be put in praEiife and executea. Tor howe can it feeme conformable to reafon , inyonr Mate flies deepe wtfedomey andiudvcmcnt ? that your louing St^bieEls Should by compulfion andccnfiraint, vnderthat tntollerablc pe- naltieofloffeofallthetrgoodiS , corf orme themfelues to f tick articles of Religion , th^t by thspurefi antiquitie were cenfured. to be erronious and execrable i udndwhatmifiriey andpittie reere it , to driue them perforce ycyther tofwdlm downe the deadly poifon of their foules , or effe to endnrc befides the dif- grace oft heflate^ the lojfe of their worldly wealth andlibertie f Confider and weigh withyotirfelfe , my mofi gratious Liege y •whether it wtll not bee thought oner great feueritie ^ to prejfe fntn ( tHen againft humane nature and conditiony) with pati^ ence to hear e their owne prof effion and beleefcy both vntruely jluunderedy and mofi bitterly reuiled andinueighed againfi', J as in mofi Mintflers fermons it is commonly. Tea togiuefaiu enteare to them that blujh not publickiyito call our bleJfedSa" Htours body in the holy S ACR*^ ME N T, an abhominable idole :hts glorious andimmortall^ntSyfenfele^e dead Men '. his Vicar andVkegerent on earth Anticlirift, and euery Ca- Cliche m idolater. With infkitte other intollerable reproches: Om EpiBle to the i\ln^. 205 Otir cor.fl'ira hope, euenji r, {though ag^rinfl hofe)is,thatyo$,y M.icfiie out ifyoHrowyieJweetenatHri^/Uhfpifttion^ andmcfi ' mtlde cdrtia^c wgonernment hitherto ^tv Ihwt only modcr^te^ ^ bHtJuJper.dalifitc h extremit'e : And::etft:jfc r it to be extetj- d. daguiyji thcm^vrho informer dei:btf:l times, icvtre{tn man- ner) the oncly mcn^th.t defended and made mamfcfl to the •pporld^yarT itle and inter efi to the (^rcvpne of EngLir,d\ and reere no/cjfe wt/Itn^to recctue you^yrher. the time came land as forward to haue ajjifiedyou (ifneede had reej Hired) as any fort ofSubieStswithtntheland, xAnd rteuer fmce wittingly ojfen^ dedyourfacred Aiaiefiie in a.yy thing. It may be obictled that th.ydoe not corf crms themfelnes vnto a fiatute law made a- gain/} thtirreligionl Be itfb^lhcn their Reltgion towards ^cd not any contempt of their lawf nil Superionr^^th commaund them from the conformities which is pardonable^ Confidering thatthybenoinnentersy or followers of nouelties^but onely holdon andperfeuere inthe faith of their forefathers, ^nd 3& what fub'ietl is there among the mofi dutifullj that doth not of- ^ ten tranfgrejfe a>jdgiue offence to one f}^tute Uw or other: jet for no other lawy men arefo hardly dealt wttha/l, albeit they Violate many of them together . Onely Cathobhes arefo r the tranfgr effing of one, hujpeled and handled as thongh they were fome hainotis rebels , andtraytors : fVho ( be it fpok^n with- out dijparagement to others) are ( by them that Itue neere them)efieemed commonly, the mofi orderly fubie^s : as trne of theirwordes,asfomdintheirdeedeSy cf as great charitif and hofpitaltttetowards their neighbofirs^ and companion of the poore I briefly ^of as moderate and ctuill carriage and bt hatti" oitr^asmofi men in their countrie I So that to beggerandvndee them ( as the execution of that law efiablijhedjmufl needes do the poorer fort of them,) would be little Icjfe then to vndoe and deflroy all good order, and 'Difcipltne in the common-weale. R. Abbot. .You mufter often, M. Bifliop, but by all your muftcr- Dd 3 ing io6 Tloe JiifMr to 2). 'B't/hops ing you can not leuie a ftrong armie. Your fouldiours are dwarfes to fight with Pygmccs and not with ir.en , and therefore no maruell if you neuergaine the ficldc ♦ You feeme ftrong to children and fooles , bucmcnol: vnder- ftandingcan fee that your ftrongeft lU ordcs are but rccds, and your beft armour but hke Adams fig-tree leaues. You call thole rigorous /awes that ^refiumed agAtrfi rea^Jknt ^a^ tholi:k£S) but thcrin you play the part of a lewde hypocrite. For arc our lawcs rigorous againft you for mul6t of goods, when your lawcs proceedeagamftvs to the fhed- dingofourbloud ? Youdcmaund how itihowX^ feeme cok- formable to reafon^ that his 2idaie^icsfubu ^sjhouUby cotk- fnljlon and ccnflraint cor^orme themfelnes tofuch artkles of religion as by thefureji anti^Htty were cen fired to be errone- ous attdexeirable /But I dcmaund ofyou howc thofc his # Maicfties fubic6^s of whom you fpeake doc know that the ■^ articles to which they arc required to conforme thcmfducs are by tlic pureft antiquity cefurcd to be erroneous & ex- ecrable? Arc they conucrfantin the reading of antiquities^ doe they pcrufe the writings ofthc fathers and the ftorics of the auncicnt church ? Nothing] leflc : they concciuc nothing but only as you infonne them,and you gull them with your lies : with goodly wordes you leducc and be- guile them : you tell them tales of the moone-fhinc in themuftard-por, and to kcepc them in the belcefc there- of you vfc an art to frame them to this principle that they muftreade nothing that is written byvsfor difcouery of your viUanie and falfehood. You know well inough that if they vfc their hberty to read our bookes, your cake will foone prooue dough, and you fhall be found to be coze- ning and falfe harlots: but they are con tent in their fecli- » Tto.jy ^^. ^^^^ ^° S°^ * likefooles to thefiocks^ they knowe not whi- ther, and vppon your worde to receiue that whereof they knowe nothing whether it be right or wronge. But how dod! it appeare that the Articles of religion whereto they i arc rcqvurcd to conforme thcmfelucs arc foccnfured by the Eiy'ijlle to the IQ>i^^ 1 07 tlicpurcllantitiuitietobccrronious and execrable ? We ^ Ef],e,x zo arc tauglit that '' thchjiijhddo! Cidnrc budded vppon the fo nlMionsofthe Apojiiesandproph:ts ,{thniis, ' th^ mrve "^ ^imkrof.m ttnd old tijl.tmeyit) Icftis Chrjthfnfelfc bcv:g the had corner ^f^>' <''«-i. fime. Tliisis tlicpurdtanticjuine, aiui or tJiis anuquitie Cypnan /ay ch : '' ifChnJi ondj bee ts he heardthen are rvce O'A^"*"-''^- mttoltfien what nnj m.w before vi h.:th thought fit tc to bee ' '"^ ' ^' done, but wh It Chrifl huth done who u bifo? e all \ For we are not to follow the cuflonte ofm:n but the truth of God, Doc you findc chcn tliac Clinil by liis Prophccs and Apolllcs in the old nrnewetellamcnthatlicenkircd ciiofc articles vvhcrc^ to tlicy arc required to contormetiicmlciucstobe erro- neous and execrable ? They ajip required to come to the church where wee call vpon one God in the name ot Jefus Chrill ; wee readc oncly the Icriptui^ and word oi God : we adminiller the facraments according to the very tenure and letter of the Gofpcll, andaretiicfethe thingcs tliat are cenlurcd to bee erroneous and execrable i Peter and Paulc were the firft auncient founders of the Romanc church : tliey are a pare of the purcft antiquitie : fhcw vs, M.Bifliop, what article there is in our diuine feruice that Peter and Paul haue cenfured to be erroneous and execra- ble H'hc antiquity that followed is not x\\zpur.fl aniitftihjy for you your lelues lay that you are fainc ' to beare with ^ ma-.j crrours in the auncient CnthoUckc writers j and yet ^ " '-^ "?"'"- what is there in our feruice which any one of them hath ^cnZm *' cenfured to be erroneous and execrable ? You arc they M. Bilhop, tiiat lurtly defcruc the rigour of the lawc who dealc thus traitcroully with his Maicllie and treachcroully with his fubiecb to pcrllvade them that thofe thingcs by die purell antiquitie are cenfured to be crroiicous and ex- ccratle which indccdc arc framed to the trucpaterni* and example of the purclV antiquitie in the feruice of the church. Nowc whereas you lay tliat hereby they are dri- ucn tofw iUow djWKC thcder.d'.y-Kiifsn cfthrirfonL's^ 1 tan- «w>£ better anlwcrc you thcnbj'thclwptdcs of thcPro- phct. 2o8 TtyeJnfaerton^ijhops 'I EfAy 5 10. phet , ^H^t vnto them that call good euill and euill good. &c^ It is not deadly poilon which wc deliucr expreliy and on- ly by the word or God, but that is deadly poylon which you haue drawne from the filthy lakes and puddles ot the dcuilc ot man. But you alleage that it is ouaj^eutfeueritte tofrcjfemen^ euenagainji humane nature and co>/dtttonrvith - " fattence to heare their owne fnf Jfion d" belecfe boih vntruly flaundcred and mofl bitterly reuiled andir.Hcighedagainfi*. But is that an argument tor you in England wliichis no ar- gument for vs in Italy and Spaine I Is it an argument for you with vs in the time of King lamcs^which was no argu- ment for vs with you in the time of Quecne Mane ; Was it not againit humane nature and condition to prcfle vs to heare ourprofcflion^d bclccfc vntruely flandcrcd or elfc to loofe our lines, and is' it againil humane nature and condition toprcffc you to heare yourprofeflion and be- kefc inucighed again!}, and for default to endure oncly a pcnaltie of your goods ? But your argument vnlefle you had better props tor your profeflion willjnot feruc your turne* Franticke men mull not goc at Ubcrtie, becaufe it ofFendcth them to bee boundc. The maladies of children muft not be neglcfted and let alone , becaufe it is grec- uous to them to endure the cure, luftly arc men to be for- ced to heare the difcouerieof your profeflion , that they may vnderftand the wickedncfl'e and abhomination there- of. And whereas you fay that the fame is vntruely Jlamide^ red by our ntmifiers, you fay vntruely therein. For there is not one Miniiier amongft vs, who in his fcrmons doth (o throughly lay foorth the villanie and wickednefle ofyoijr profcUion as in trueth the caufe and matter thereof doth , require* Yougiuevsinftanceoffomeof your grccuanccs that we oil our biejfedSauiours body m the Sacrament an ab' hmmnable Idoll : but wc call not the body of Ghrift an ab- hominableidoU.'WC call that an abhominablc idoll which youfalllytcrmethcbodicof Chrift, and vndcr that pre- tence fall downe before it and worOiip it^ and call it your Ijird The Epijlle to the ^'g- 2 op LordandGod. We lay as the Apoftlc hath taught vs and anciquicic Jiath rccciucd that the Sacrament is in lUbftancc ^ brctui) and one Jy - m name and power and after ^ a tertuine h. Ctt i o. i tf. mancr is accounted the body of Cknfi^' nat the very body ^ ^^•'^^^ bmamyficr^eofhls body J though fuch a myllerie as doth ^"/'Vrf "^' truelyexliibicc the body of Chnll to be fpiritually rccci- iclrit «!*** ued ot'vs by faith in liini. Now when you worfliip the Sa- f»ned,chr%fl. crainenticfcllcas being very Chrill himfclfe, and call the *" ^**X'*fH' (aine your Lord and your God, what doe you but make a ""P"/'. 2 . « . Jhippcth the tvorke of his ewne handcs^ which his owne finger t " '^'^^ ^^^' haue made ywhtreot it is truely faide, " Thej/ hane etes and /eefjot^eareshauethej/a)tdheareHotjScc. Thus the Scrip- ture defcribeth idolatrie: this euery papift doth, and ther- fore euery papift doth that which the Scripture pro , nounceth to be idolatrie. And why doth this (o much i tGre^Jerd. trouble you M. Bifliop, feeing •" Gregorie de Valentia : holi'tJeMo'' freely confeflethjthat you all commit idolatry andtiiere- U^i'a.ca.y. fore muft necelTarily be holden to be ido/ ters: onely by a newpardoxehewillperfwadevs that all idolatrie is not forbidden by the word of God » But your fhame is appa- rant in this matter, and lieth open to all eies that will net refufctofee. This is one of thofc grofle abhominations wherein he that cannot or wil not take knowlcdg of your . apoftaficjflieweth himfelfe either to be av^ery blindeora i very wilfull man, and no r eafon is there that you fhould I hope that his Maieftic willfuffer hisfubic6ls freely to ^r; ^ t.C*r, ii.i- ^^^j. q /^^ yy jQj^ f^ d'mibe idols to doe them fermce, and by \ them to goe a vehooring from the true God ♦ Yet you pleade further for fauour in that j'#« informer dosihtftiltimcsivere in manner theon^y men th^t defended a»d\\ m ide knowne to the world his Matefiies Title ^ inter efi to the C'ovp-e Epijlle to the IQtgl ill Crffvffe of England. Which if you fpcake of your felfc you haue your aulwcre before. If you extend it generally to Rcculants youknouc well enough that you fay vntruely. FortheRccufants generally were lolefujted as that you feculars were brought almoll to leapc at a cruft,and great- ly dillrelled for want of neceiraric fuccour and releitc. And which way the leiuitcs looked it is knowne well enough 5 and hath bccne fufficiently difcouercd both by youandbythcmlelues. And thcretore if the Recufant Papifteshadhadtheirwill,aIeruitedQueene,notaProtc- llant King , muft haue had the wearing of the crowne* How wilhngyou were to rcceiue his Maicllic appeared by the attendance that fo many of you gaue him at his ccm- mingm, riding difguifed that you might not bee knowne, which to whatpurpofe it was foone after wasfeene by your companions Watlon and Gierke, whome only to name is fufficient foranfwere tothcfe CrocodtUs teares ^v^h^cWilh you fceke to gaine tauour at his Maiefiics hands by falfely pretending loyaltieandlouevntohinj . But much more Ihall the remembrance of your lately intended milcheitc giue full afliirance to his Maieftie that there is no fidelitic, nothing buttrcachcrie and viUanie to bee found amongft you. You would,you hyjoitue htene c.sreadte to haueajjifled his Maiejljy tf need had recjmredy as any fort offubte^s in the iand. But bielVcd be God that his Maiclly had no nccde of any ofyourafliilance.Bcllarminc hath difcouercd it for a 1^rmQ\}^\totyo\xv%^ that yopi ought not to tolerate a mifbe!ee-t Bdldrm.dt mng /^/»^,fuclias you take his Maicily to bee, & therefore if 7^ow»: Vomtf. hee had rehed vppon your afTiftance either hec mult haue ''^. j.^/'-z- dauncedaftcr yourpipeorelfe haue leaped without the crowne* It was not his Maicfties right that you relpeilcd: it was onely the feruing of your owne turne. You (ay that joH hane not fmce offended, his Maieflj in any thtng : but that IS not trucYou and your fellovves offend his Maicfty day- ly in the highcft degree in fcekingto inueigle his fubieas and to draw them to tlic admiring and adiiutting of a f or- £c z rcn 212 Theanf^erto'D,^tJl7ops ren iurifdi6lion and they 'offend hisMaieftic inlikefoit in being content to be inueigh!ed and fcduced by you. It may he obieBed , fay you, that they doe not conforme them- feittes, to aJlatuteUw made againfl their reltgion ;but we ob- itSt that they deny true feruice to God and conformity to * jtugHji.tf.^0 his lawes : to which ' Princes arc on Gods behaUe by laws and ftatutes to coiripelhhem . Yet heereby you quaUfic their offence as pardonable for that theirl religion towardes God) not any c o ntewpt of their lavpfullfvperiour doth command them from the conformity ^ As if all lewes, and Turkes, and Pagans and hereiickes could not pie ad that exception for themleluesaswcllasyou. When Conitancinc by his e- di6ls and ftatuces did fet vp Chrifts true religion and did driue all other religions into corners as you (aide before, ^jiuT.ep./^%, decreeing very fharply *' agninjl the facrtfices ofPagms vpon piine of death ^ againft wiltuil herecickes and Ichihnatickes vpon conf [cation of their ^oods^ had it beene a flifficient de- fence forrefraftarieperfcns to fay that their rchgion to- wards God, not any contempt of their lawful! fuperiour did command them from conformity to his lawes ? If it were no anfwer then, wc muft hkewife conceiue now that ic is a contempt of their Prince that the regard of iiis lawes doth not draw them duely to examine tiie religion which they profefle that they may fee the filthinefle and abhomi- nation thereof and how iurtly it is to be detefled and ab- horred. For it is their vfiiall manner to vndertake that re- ligion hand ouer headjand fcarfe is ther one of a thou/and amongft them that is able to giue any reafon why he belee- ueth (o rather then otlierwile . Which iTialbe your iull condemnation with God, M.Bifhop,that doe condenmc ' Kfplyta tht men for being ' blmd-obedtent in a caule againi^you , and hfmi jtpolagf. Joe teach them to bee blind obedient to you \\\ a caufe a- gainft God. But you alleadge further for their excule that they be no inuentorsor followers efnouelties but only hold on and perfeuere in the fatth of their forefathers. And that could tJie Pagans and heathens alleadge for themfelues alfo, that they EpiFile to the K^ng. 2 1 3 they were no inuentours or followers ot nouclties,but that their fathers and forefathers for hundreds and thoulands of yeares had continued the lame lupcrlbtion. Somaya- dulterers and whooremongcrs, drunkards , theeues and other nialcfa6tors excufe themielues that they are not the firil inuentours of thoie finncs, but that their fathers and forefathers were the (ame, and that thelc behauioursliaue beene accuftomed fincc tJic worlde began, bur compulQ- on of lawes mull driue them to eome where they may bee taught, that whereas without queftion many of them fay with themleluesas did the Donatilles, " It u true mdeede " ^"^"A 'M thityo 'tfajy we ca '^not tell v. hat to anfvoerejhut it is hard for vs to leaue the trad tionof0Hrfuthers,x.h£.y may be fliaken from that hcauie dro wfinefl'e that holdcth them and may 1 earne to giuc glory vnto God and lay with the Gentiles, '^ furely „ ^^ ^^ onr fathers bane inheritedlies and vanitte whcrem there ts no profit : and may heare God fa}ing vnto his people : ^ fVa/Jze ^ EjfcLio. 1 1 jenottntheordinancesof your fathers y neither obferne thetr manners, nor defle jourjeltici with their Idtls : I am the Lord your God X walkeyeinmyjiatutes and keefe my iudgements and doe them I andagaine calling them out of Babylon, * Goe oHtofher-y mypeoplf.^hatye be not partakers in herfnnes ^ A^»c.it,^ and that ye receiue not of her p/agues, Butwherc you lay that the thingcs which they follow are no noue/ties, you lay vn- tiucly. For your lelus plalter and Ladies pfalter which commonly you put into their hands what are they but no- uelries ? your Agnus deles, your hallowed beads iSc grails, your pardons, y our di/penlations, your reconciling toJthc bi riicp ot Rome, your babies and puppet>,and other fuch like witcheries & (orceries what arc they but noudties r let vsfcetheprp^lireotanyof this trumpery in the ancient ciiurch.But indeed ther is no lliadow iherof;they arc new deuilesof Antichrirt,^Sc the baits of his Ipiiituall tornicaii- ons to inchauntand intoxicate fimplc and vnllabic loules. You goc forward and tell vs that amongll: themefi duet full there is none bt t offendeth agamji onejiatute or other, yet onelj E e 3 Cathjlck^s 114 TloeMfMrtoVMJhops Catholickes are for the tr^nfgrejfi g of one hufpeled and hand- led as though they were Jome hai^^ons re belles and traitours.^ tender chickens how you are hufpeled and handled / how would you complaine, I trow, it' we pra6lifcd cliac which * •^/"'■' ^ • • God hach laid vnto vs , ' Reward her ei^en o«ldbe lilt I? le(fe then to vndoe & defiroj all goodorder and dftctpl ne wthi common voeale^ Where we lee you fpeake for a fee and therforefticknottorpcakcatlarge. But you mult vndcriland a 1 4 The Anfiper to D, !BiJhop vnderftand that the good order and difciplinc of the common wealc might itand well enough \\ itliout them. Though they were, where their hearts are, vnder the Popes prote6iion,yet we could haue good order and dif- ciplme in our common weale, and lo much the better by how ttiuch the more it would be freed from being diftur- bed by them. As for beggering & vndoing them,it is not the law thatdothit,but they begger & vndoo themlelucs by their ow ne blind wilfulncs, in that they doe not fu bicft themfelues to the law when notwithltanding they can giuc no good reafon why they fhould be againft the law.Andif they were beggered and vndone as touching their bodily goods it were the better for the common- wealth and for themfelueSjbecaufe thereby they fhould be freed from fueh copefmatsasyouarewhonouile them in their difobedi- chce to God and to their princes law? who vie your witts to craue for them immunity of mul6l and paiment to the ( ji*l,t^,6t^ Prince that they may haue their eftate free to beftow the more liberally vpon you : who like the ^ Donatiftes would not haue them to loofe their goods, and would haue them at liberty to loofe Chrift; who would haue their vvils and tcftamcnts made good by thelawes of the realme,and them fulFered to difanull the will and leftament of Chrift : who would haue proteftion for them to enioy what they buie, and would haue Chriit to haue no proteftion to hold them whom he hath bought; who would haue them quietly to line at their owne home, and in the meanc time ^ g freely permitted to banifh Chrift. The execution of the 60.T1V ^*^ ^^ ^"^ ^^^ go^ty' ^^ ''y ^^^^ arguments '' S. Auftin (ontJiivetiU defended the like of old againft Pelagians and Donatifts lih.i,c.6%.i ? . and other hcrctickes,by the fame doc we defend it as nc- cont.if'*»' ^«'ceflaricagainftyou» 33. W» Bishop, Before Intdke an endj 1 befeechjonr LMaiejiie that the BidrvonhjfiijmgofCaJ^lim my he diligently examined:Coi^ boDiun? EpiJlletothelQn^. 217 i bonumf For vhife ccrKmodittd to rvhat ettde ay:dptirfofe j mnjijMch numbers (fmoji c'tmljf.bieRs, be fognenoujlymoie- I fied? IVhi.t is the caH[e,rvhyycMrfeacerible & ioyfuUgouern- I nu«tfhonid he Jo mit.gled vtthjHC h buterHormes offerjecuti- I 9n? Is it to exti'gtiijh the Catho/tkesf/tithilt iieth r.ot in m^m \ fctver tofupfre^e and deflroy that iTvhich the xAlmtghttefu^- ; prteth MidmMriteineth. 1 liegates of licll fhall not pre- ^**^'^^- uailc againft the Caiholicke Church, Ahdletbut thofe grnuc ar:dn>tfe Cot^nfaiUrs (who hat^e managed the fiate^ cur Ute ^lueenes date r ) e pformeyour U\4aiejtte ruhethi r all thofe terrible ferfi cations that then rvere tnofi vehement lypttT' \ fued^did aryixhit at all^dtmimP) the nurnber of Recufarits I j 9r rather dtd not greatly multiply and increafe them, frtm one I Mt thcjlrfi to an hnr.dredandrKoe in continuance. But it may he \ they enttnd by thofe fcnall larcestto enrichyotir OMaiefie, and ! tojitiyourccffers: Surely the receits mil fall tut much too Jhortf togrcTPto aryfuch reckoning, ^nd rehat delight t9 ; enrich your treafurxe , trndfiuffeyour cojfers with regret esyand out tries of the hufbandyrcifejchtldren, vptdctves* andpoore in» fants, when as the befi And mofi ajfure d treafurie of a kir^gy is ( by the prudent efietmed) ?# con^fiintheloue^ndhcartteaf- fefiion of his people? Or are thejepenallla'wes/i/jdforfaitures ordaineeifor rewards vnto fuch dependents^ as for thefe or theltkedoefollowyoufButthe reutnues, preferments y and offices J belvnglngto your crorvne ef England, are aboundant" I ly able to content andrcwardthemythatfljall deferue vcellef j the commc n-weaUyrvithout thatfo heauie aggrieuance c^ hart, ! bleeding of othersyour Ui^aieWesgcod/f:bi(^es. ^rdtour \ Maif sites high rvifdcm, and lengexpiricncc in gcuerr.menty j can beji rt member you, that fuch men are notfo mndfull of I benefits receiued, as t he daily yvant and mi/erte, will conttnual" ly rer.ue andrtwue the memcrie eft he cpprejfedt ' R. Abb ot« -' Thccndandpurpoftofthe lawc, W.Bifliop, iscafily Ff anfwcrcd 2 1 8 V^eanfiver ta T>. Sif^ops anfwered oucbf your owne wordes. It is of ciuiil fubiciSls to make religious, chat his Maieftie may haue them his notbyh-ilfesbuc wholly 5 not outwardly onely by con- ftrfined and forced obedience, but inwardly for conlci- cpce fake J wjiich there is no hope to attaine fo long as fe- curely they reft tied in confcience cotheforreine lurifdi- dtion or the Pope, who according to the pretie emblemc thathehathbeenewoont to fet vpon his mammetries Ji/^.t mih'i cortu'Am ^fnjjicit^fonnegiHe me thy heart andit fnpcah, laboureth, reb'AsJlcJhmtilfusyto^o^ciXc the harttil> opportunitie feme that he may gaine the whole. But you queftion the matter, Is it to exttHguiJh the Catholtkefaithl No, no, M. Bilhop : it is to extinguilli your Cacolike and^ cmiitercatholtckedndcSt Indeed it lietli not in mans pO" wertodeftroythc true, Gatholicke faith j the almightic. (upporteth and mainteincth it 5 * the gates of hell p3alltut\ ^Man.t ,1 * ^y^ft^^ig^gajy^jii^j Your Pfeudocatholickc apoftafie fcc- med indeed to haue gotten the mafterie of it, and to hauc fet: you vp akingdomcfor cucr ; but when you though^ foreuertohaueimprifoncdthe ^.rkeofGody yowiiDagm fell downc before it , ;^nd brake his neckc ; the Angell Ib- dainly cried from hcauen, the lightning of the Golpell ^ M9c,i%.ii ihining round about him ''/fi/j^Z/if;?, itts fallen,euen B(t' kylon the great cit$e. The captiuicie of the church was dif- folued,thcprofcffoursof Ghnftes Gofpell weremulti^ plied from one to a thoufand, and from a th oufand to ten thoufand,and from ten thoufand to whole nations and peoples, fo againft all expe6tation , asthatlannes and lambresand the r^ft of the Egyptian forcerers«haue beenc forced to (ay in their harts ' It ts the finger of. god j the I^rd * Exod,%.i<). ^^fgfijJQy ij-y^i againfi ys^tuzn as one of the i'panilli cap. '*?-H' • ^^^^ could lay of the battell fought by feaat their attemp- ted inuafion, that Chriftinallthat battel! fhewed him- i jpoC'iS»7' felfc a Luthcrane. By this meanes the '' whoon- of "Babylon that (aicd to herfelfc, I Jit like a ^Ineenet and am no wtddow, "C^pii i6, and{hallfc& no moftrningt is become eucn ' def plate and na^ Fpi^le to the fQtig. i \ p ked in comparifon of that fhee was, and her dcfolations (hall grow more and more till he that hath begun ^to con- ^ , . fumehtryoiththc brcf.thofhis mouthy doe aholijh her vtterly '"' vp'tth the brightnej^e of his comming. Flatter not your Iclfc W . Bifhop : ^ ail I hey thatjorfake the Lordfhdl feri^ : the^ vfahji ^%6. Lord ni Udejiroj all them that commit for tiaiticn againfl htm But you Willi his Maicftie to hee informed by thofe vratte and vrife (^otinceUurs rtho managed the fiate in cur late ^ueenes dates rvhethir allthofe terrtbleferfecntions that the reere moft vehemently furfited dtdany whit at all dimtr.ifit the number ofrecufantSj or rathe r did not greatly mult i fly and increafe them from one at the jirji to d hundred and more pt continuance. 0 terrible per/ectaions iud moft vehement- ly purfucd, and yet by your *" ownc confcffion notaman ofyou put to death but tor caufe of treafon againft the ^^*'-^'"** Queeneandtheftatc. Which confeffion the prouidencc ' "' ofGod and his hand wrought from you by a bone caft betwixt the lefu ites and you for the cleering Sc iuftifyin g ot the proceedings of die ftate, taking no courfe in mecrc cafe ot religion but that which S« Auftin acknowledgcth tohc' the obferui»g of chrij^ian lenity and meel^nejfey not' -^«g.deride the retnifl'e and fauoura- ble proceedings of the rcalme,in that they could make the. laives like Ipiders webs to take no hold of them. Many of them vfed their libcrtie altogether, and found no chcckc orcontrolmentoflawatall. Yea and you that were in durance hued at your hearts cafe: you were fat and frelh andfaire, yourfriday-nights drinkings werebetcer then the Sunday dinners of many better men then you are :' there was too free accede and reforc to you : you could queftion one another for fhrewd and fufpicious bchaui- ours :you could twit one another with gallantrie and bra- uerie of apparell ; you had harts co contend one with ano- ther like tigers and beares, and yet like the filthy full-gor- ged friar you cry out Ecce nos quanta fattmar fro C hnjio : feehawwe areperfecHtedfor Chrtfts fake* Ah vnthankefull cay tifes that thus abufe the goodnes of Princes to the euill of: their fubiefts , and whileft they permit fafetic and quiet- nelTetoyGU, doe labour night and day to procure ruine and ouerthrow to them And yet thofe honourable Coun- fellours of whom you fpeake can well enfonne his Maiefty chat chat mild execution that then was,did procure much fecuricy and eftablilhment to the ftate, and recalled excee- ding many whom your ceacherous allurements had alie- nated and inucighled another way ♦ They found the hu- mours and conditions of men to be the (ame that S. Au- ftinofold noted in the Donatiltes, and that their procee- dings wrought the lame effc6ts which he the acknowledg- ^Mg,€f.j^i^ cd concerning them, ^ Some were yvillmg^ faith he, to come to the vniij of the (^atholkke church, being moued by mmffefi truth J And yet fearing the offence of their friends did put it off from day to d^y. Some rvcre bound not by truth but by a hard k^ot of obdurate cuftomeyin whom thefayingofGod was fulfil-' led' A badferuant will not be amended with wordss : though hedoevnderfiandyyetwillhe not obey, Many thought thatp^^rt f Fptflle to the Aj^^. 2 2 1 to be the true (^hurch, becaiife care/tfKejfe made tLemjlorp (^ flftggtjh t9 tjks kr.ovelcdge of the (^ntholtck^ truth. Many wcrg l^pt out l;y the f^t/fern-nours and tale t cf^yingmcuy nvhotold themth.n res at the Lords tabledidvje jomeflrayige dealings which tvcfhould net doc, Ai.mj thought tt rvas no matter fo that thfj w"re Chrifi;ans on whatjide th y were, and the re^ fore continued (uch beiuufe they h-id becnefo borne O' *io man forredthem to doe otheiivife* Ncjv theterronroflawes^ inthe f'fblipJtMg r»hereof princes f:rue the L'.rd^huth done this good, that fame fay JVe were wi Utng to this before^ but th^nkes bee to God t'liat he h-ithgiu:n vs c ccajion infiuntly to doe tt, ^ hath cut offalloicafions cfdc/ay . Others Jay y We k^tivthis to bee true btfore^but we were holden 1 k^orv not how to that where-^ to we haue beene Lng acc!iftomed,npw th.wkes be to God wh§ hath broken ourformerbondes and hath tranflatedvstothe bond of peace, Oihersfay,Wedidnotk^ow that the trt^th was on this part, neither did we care to learne the fame, but feare made vsregardfnllto know it while ^ we doubted leafiwee fb'Aldffifletn loffe of our goods temp jr all and be no whit the nee~ rer to things eternxll : Thankcs be to God who by the/purr e of feare hath driuen away our negleBythat in care wejhuld feekf that which being fecure we would neuer regard to k^ow.Others fay,Wewereby falfe rumours terrified andmade afraidt to • com; to chi:rchy which wee had not k^owne to be falfe but by cur commin^thither, andhadnot come thither ^ vnleQe wee had beene compelled thereunto* Thankes be to Gcdwho by the fcourg^ ha: h t.'ken away our feare, and hath taught vs by ex~ perience what vair. e and falfe tales lying fame h ith rep c rtcd of his ch:irch. Others fay, We thought tt skilled not on what part weprofejfedthefai:hofchrijte, but thinkesbee toGod who ha:hga:h:redvsfromfchi/me,andhath (hewed vs that it is agreeing to one God that wejh otdd in v»ity worfhip himA'hcCc good eliV6ts were wrought by thofc milde proccedingcs that were vfed inthe dayes of Queene Elizabeth, when things (landing as they did i t was manielhhat any good at "^ all Jhould bee clfvi^ed thereby. For you wa'c llill biiz- F f 3 zing ^ . .^1 222 77;e ^nfwer to V. Si/hops zing into mens cares the alteration of the ftatCj & by your plots and deuices your confederates cxpe6led it trom day to' day, and thereupon by your proniifes hoped for preferment & countenance in tliat new monarchic, eucry man at leaft a calfc with a white face, if they ihculd conti- nue conftant and ftcdfaft on your part, 1 his \'. as in their heads vponeueryfeuer all trcafon ; very ftrongly at the Spanifh inuafion : but vndoubtedly refolued ot whenfo- euerthcQueenes day fhould come. By this traiterous' baite )'ou gained very many, and entifed many to goe be- yond the feas, who in hope of a golden harueft doubted not to endure fome Imall winter Itormes. But nowe that this hope, thanks be to God_, is taken away, we doubt not but one feuen yeeres pra^ile and execution of his Maie- fties lawcs will turne your trade a begging, and make you Tfd ♦ < 0 . 1 4 , ^g*'i^>^f Itke doggcsj (indrtinne he ere and. therefor meate^ and X J. grudge that yibe mt/kt/sfied. We doubt not but a number ofthem will in ihort time curie and deteftyour trecheric and villanie, who by your linifter and falle tales haiic • frighted them from dooing that whereto readylie they would haue y eelded otlierwife. You goe forward faying that it may he that they intend hj • thofepenalllawes to inrich h'ls ij^laiejlte andto fill his cofers. But you are an vnfic man to make conftrud^ion of their doings, and if that were the thing that his Maicftie re- fpe6ted,hc would take with yoiurccufants a quicker and rounder courfe. But his Maiefty "" feekcth not theirs but '^^^Co^- 1 a. 14' them, and it is well knowne how hardly liis HJghnelTe <^f£f*jt.fp'So* hathbeenedrawento vie any proceeding at all againil them, defirous by patience and mildenelTc to win them; and findingthat they abuie his patience to fortiiie them- fcluesagainlihim, both his Maieilie and his mod ho- nourable Gounfell, doe beare the minde that both the godly Empcrours and Princes, and their faithfuU officers together with the godly Bifliops and Paftours of the fhurch^ did bcarc in the«xecution of tiieir Imperiall lawes * frhofoeffcr, EptJlletotheKin^. 22^ * IVhofoeufrbyoccaftmofthtsUwivhtch the Trinceferpiin^* ^uir.ep a9, Chrtfl doth pnhltfljfor the reforming of your tmpietic^ doth co^ uetOH!Jy d-f fire any goods ofyoHrs^tveltk^ himpot.whofoeuer by occafion of this UwpfirJnethyou^ not tn lottc to amend you^ but M hatred to fra^tfc enmity agdtnjiyou^ne hke him not. There will be more contcnnnentcakcn in tlicir conformitie and due obedience, then in all tlic riches and treafures that can redound to his Maielbc by their contumacie and rcfl- ftan ce. A s {crfiuffmg his Mdiefiies cofers with re greets and 9Htcri::s of the h^jhar/dy fvife^ children, ixidows and poore in~ fants, ic IS an amplification of your wittejwithout any ex- ample.-they findc mcanes commonly to prouide better for thcmfelues, then to haue any occafion to vvcepc for that mattcr.If b)' carefull execution they were brought to that hazard, we fhould find better order with them then now we doe. Neither fliould they for their weeping blame thclawes, butthemfclues, that vpon felfewill and fto- mackc doe crofl'e the lawes. And better it is that they fliould weepe, then that other fhould be forced to wcepe by them.'better that they be beggered &_vndone5thcn that by their impunity finy danger Ihould grow to the com- mon ilate : good that fome endure extremity that others thereby may be b rought ° to confider of the matter and fin- ding that there is ns ca'^fc why they lliould forbeare the ' ^'*l'*fi^ihi^' church to endure fogreat lojje , may without dt^culty ret time to our church againe. In a word let them weepe tor lofle of goods by luft execution of law who without lubie6lion to die law iiaue no reafon to cnioy the fame. You /ay that the beji and rrtafi affuredtreafury of a Ktng doth conftj} in the hue andharty iiffcBion cf his people. Wliich indeed is true. «nd therefore doth his Waicftie iulUy punifli them who do in themlelues and labour in others alfo to defeate him ofthattreafure: this fort ofhis people being fuch as haue belto wed their loue and harty affeiiion otherwifcthen to him, neither can he prcfume thereof,as he well knowcth, fo long as by mif-confcicnce of religiofl tliey (land (o decpely 224 Tl^e^rfwertoD.IBiJhops deepely obliged to another Lord. Who as hce hath their harts, lo ftiould haue their purfes and goods alfo, if op- portunity did lerue,wbich therefore moll iullly and right- fully fliould be preoccupated and intercepted to better vie. Further very malipert'.y and laucily you dcinandy^^re thefe pt^nal lawes c^forpttures ordeimd for rewards vfitofkch dependants as for thcfe or the like doejollowyt »? 1 aiilvv cr you againc tJiat thelc penall lawes and iorleitures arc made to the fame end to which Conftantine made his law as was ^ a before laide, that P the goods dtvyilfullheretickesrefufing "S"/' *r ^Q (iQiVi\c to the vnitie of the church fliould be coniiicate to the common T realury, and to which '^ 1 htodolias made ^' 'ifct ^ ^llhxii ''• ^^^^ ^^^^^ ^^^^y iiereticall prieft or bilhop wh^refoeuer hec amimul^*. wcrc found fliould forfeit ' tenpouxds. I anfvver further retur. by the wordes of .S. Auftin, that ' it is net to be er.qyared who '' ^^^'^- haue the goods efherctkkesy bnt who abide in thejocietj of the faithfuU. For as heretickes doc iuftlylooie their goods, fo whofoeuer haue them by aflignmentof lav or donation of their Prince, they iniily haue them if they continue in the focietyofthe church, becaufe as he (aith, therighteou3 do receine the fpo ties of the vrigodlj:,^ the riches of the wicked . are laid vpfor the iufi. To be fliort luch penalties and for- feitures together with others arc returned to the Exchc- querotthePrmce, thence at his Maicflies good plea- lure iuftly to be dilpoled, as for other occafions and af- faires of his Realme and Princely ftate, fovvhen occafi- onrequireth Jorrewardcto them who by loyalland • dutifull feruicc deferuc the fame. As for y cur other wordes of heauj aggreeuance and hart-bleeding and want ■ and mifefiey if there were occafion therof, you were to re- » If4.x%.i9. member that which the fcripture faith, ' tyiffiUicngiueth yHlj^.ytrf. vnderjfandwg, but " eajeflaieththe vnwtjeandtheprojperitj m ««^.t 5 X. ^^^^^^ dejirej/eth them.And as touching vnthankefullncs and not minding of benefits receiuedjhis Maicftie cannot cxpcft the like at the hands of any as of you, whom nei* thcr confcicDce ofoathcs nor of benefits receiued can fo * TrtH'i.S^' Epijile to the IQng. 22^ faft tic vnto Iiim but that you are at any thr.e to bcc ynti by tlic difpcnfation-and authority of the Pope. 34. W. Bishop, ^ndwheri they pj^ll fee w hope tf remedy^ the Ji Ate he'tng^ H0tv fctledy and a cotttmuallpojierttj like toenjue of one riMttm 4KdcoKditicn: Godktmveth vfhat thatfcrceahle rvcapcn ofne- ajjitie way conjiraine nnddrtHe men vnto at length* • R. Abbo t. InthispcriodcM.Biftiop thoughtto nicwhimfclfei politickcwjfe man,and contrarieto his cxpe6lationalIhis tellowcs condcmce him for a foole* They had but one (peciall fecret amongft them ard he hath plaied the part of Tom TcU-troth to rcucile it. What, M.Bifhop^are you fuch a blabbe that ye cannot keepe your owne and your fellowcs ccunfell, butmuftnccdcsoutwithall? Andhad ye no otJicr body to whom to difcouer itjifyc'muft needes fo doe, but thus bluntly to blunder it to the king? But yet bee of good chcre, man ; let not this difcomfort you too much : fatisfie your friendes and afliirc them vpon our worde that wc knew your minde before. We knew you were no chaungehngs but what yc hauebcene, thefamc yec continue ilill, treacherous, falfcheaitcd, faithles waiting but for time and opportunitie, if power would ferue, to com pell liis Maieftie to your order, The ftatt nctvfctUd, you fay, ardMContinttall pcjieriiy like to enjue of (me nature and condmcn^ O this is it that grceucth youj this is it that makeih you to gnaw your tongues for anger, and to fare like men at their wits end that know not w hat way to take* The vnfctlcdnefle of the ftate hoadc you be- fore to hope for a day* The vnfetledncfle of tJie ftate was the common trap wherein you catched men to tlie dcuo- ticnoftHcPcpe. Whatatioublcisitrow to ycu to eric out, OjphfalLces : Of^lfr and vaine hope ? And now that Gg there iz6 TheAnfweretoD.^BiJhops • there is no hope efremsdy god k^ow:th, you fay, what that forcible weafon ofneceffitj may conftraine and drtue men vnto 4it length. Fall c ^iaito ur, bu (ie f ugitiuc, doeft tliou take vpon the to threaten thy Prince? What? of a prea- ching Priefthaue we now a Heraldatarmesifhe cannot perlwade his rehgion, to denounce war? Is this the Ca- diohcke religion that you commend to vs? Did Peter and Paule dcalc m that fort to tel princes that if they would not giue them w^ytGcdk^oTveth what that forcible weapon ofne- , eejfitymight cojireine anddriue men vnto at lengtht Was this tlie language or ftilc of the firft church? But what do I askc you of Peter & Paule,or of the firft churdi ? God knowes they are ftrangers to you and you to them : youJouc to talke of thcm,Dut little doe ye care to bee guided by them. » Ttrtul.Jfo. The firft church could fay to their perfecutours ; * If wee l»gets*f. 1 7' would deale withjon not byfecret reucnge but by open enmttie doe we want thereto eithernumberor jirengthlJVe are ferret-' nets toyoHy and yet we haue filled aB. fUces of your y your ci- ties ^ Hands caftles, boroughs^ meetingpUces^ your, tentSy tribes bands j palaces ^ your fenAte and court, H^hatwarre were wee notfkfor^though vneqtMllin power, who fo wtllinglie yeeld ourfelues to befiaincy but that wtth vs more tolerable it is to be killed the nto I^UiAnd fo S . Auftin Ipeakcth tlicreof *• JufufiJt& Bifhops & Iudgcs,«S^ Knights and BurgcflcSjand a whole court of Parliament,togcther with allonices^and (uiters,andferuants to other courts.Oac- curfed villaines, woorthie wKofc names (hould bee engra- uen in brafl'c, that all pofteritic might take notice of them and for euer abhorre to vie them, euen as the name of lu- das the traitour ! nay rather woorthie to be buried m per- pctuall obliuion and filcnce, thatitmaynot bee noted as the infamie of this age to haue brought foorth f uch mi- fcreants^fuch monftcrs,fuch diuels, fuch an vnnaturall pe- iblence of their countrey ! what tearmes fhould I vie to cxprcfl'ethe vnconceiu cable wickcdneflc of this vipers brood ?Wasthisthceffe£lof)ourconfultati6at Doway vpontlienewesofthcproceedingesof hisMaicfties firft Parliament i What were you all fo fully poflclfed with the diuell,asthathcfliouldpreuaileto draw you to fo dam- nable a pra^life, to the pcrpctuall ruinc of your natiue countrey f Ofthofc feuen which were fpccialiychoftn to Ggz dcuifc 228 Tk Anpy>er to 2). 'Bip7ops dcuifc tlie meanes of your rcucnge was there not one • in whom was remaining any fparke of nature or grace to dcrcftfo barbarous and vnnaturall cntcrprifef And was this the courfe that Ghnftians ofoldtookewhen the edids of Emperours were fent foorth againft them, to lay their heads together to deuifc which way to be reuenged? They faide. xArma nofirafunt freces c^ Uchym^: Our wea- pons are praters andteares : butyou hauc altered their ible, and fay, Our weapons are fire ^.ndgunpcivdcr, fiiey laide to full to all the world J howc would they haue bent their force with all extremity, vtterly to extirpate not onely the perfons guiltie, but all that had carried the name of that profeflion ? And yet forfboth they arc Catholickes ; they arc of the onely auncient and true religion. Ah wretched mifcreants, who fo farre depart from all the example and praftifeofallantiquitie, and yet goe about to perfwadc men that they k eepe the onely auncient fteps, and teach nothing but what the Christian church of old hath taught! But their poGtions and practifes in this behalfe doe fhewe their religion to be of the deuill, and not of God. They glue all honeft and ingenuous hearts occafion to dcteft them, and that religion that is the mother and nourfe of fiich deuillirbdeuifcs. This hath beene their courfe thele forcieyccrcf, and albeit their plottings haue beene fo miraculoully Epi/iletothelQng. ^^p miraculoully dilcoucrcd and prcuenccd from time to time, as tJiey that haue iull caule to lay with tiic forcercrs ot Egypt -fr Irtsthffirt^frofGodthatworkcthAgainil vsiyct-kExodA.io, as the deuillhowloeucrhe be defeated of his purpoles, & fechimrclt'cvnable toprcuaile, yet byaninfinitie of ma- hce, ilill beiidetJi himfclfe againit God : fo thcfe accurfcd vvrctcJies will by no meanes ceafe from their malicious and dcfpcrate villanies, and doe giue the Itate iuft oc- cafion to vie all extremitic for the rooting out of fuch fpirituall maifters as drawc his Maicfties lubiefts to be partakers ot (uch defignments. And in this mahce they i boilcftiU : they tare eiien as the Bcarc that is robbed j of herwhelpcs, they breath out threatnings and Uaugh- ter both of Prince and fubic«fts* But their threates wdl doubt not (hall bee as * tbeblafi of afiarme ag^ififl a fione * •E/i;- tf.4. . vraiiy Sc (liall come to nought as hitherto they iiaue done, God will catchethcle foxes in their owne wiles and fmite the chaw bones of thcl'e raging lions and turne die miA chcife that they intend vpon their owne pate. O vi6lori- ous and triumphant Queene Elizabeth the mirrour of Princely magnanimity & courage, who wait neuer moucd therewith to tread one ftep out of the way : whomc nei- ther the curies of Balaam, nor the power ofBalak, nor any confpiracies and praftifes of this vipers brcode, this baftard-Catholicke generation could eucr ouercomc togiuetlicleaftway to tiicir idolatries 6c abhominations ! O noble king lames the iuft mheritour of her crownc and true fucceflour other fortitude and Princely vertues, who for the obteining of a glorious kingdomc couldcft neuer be wonne to yeclde thy felfe to be intangled in their liiarcs, , but rcrting thy affiance ^ in that God who alwAiesfauoHrcthf g , the ri^ht^2j\^ in the loialty and fidelity of an ingenuous and r >*^V^^^ noble people haft defpiled the fawning and pick thankc "'^"^^ oiFersandincroachingsof tiiofe land-Sircncs and trodcn" ^'^^' vnder loote all dread and feare of their intended oppciGti- pns,to giue glory to the Lord thy God, and tokeepe thy Og3 him zjo 7leJhJ%ertoD.(Bip?ops faith entire and vnfpotted before him. The Lord thy God ihall be with thec,and our hands with our hearts are iift vp for thee to tlie God of heaucn that he will make good the workc that he hath begunne in thee to ftabHfh the thronc of thy kindgdom in thy hands in righteodncfle and truth- and totliiscnde.to bleffc that noble ftemmeot Princely grace, and to hide the fame as an arrow ofchoiieinthe quiuer of his protection that the almond-tree in the death of the ftockcmay ftill hue and flourifhinthe branch vntil the day of the Lord Icfus Chrift. As for thefe murmuring and repining Efauites which long faid in their heartes con* 8€«».z7.4i, cerningvs, l^hcdaies ofmofirrtmgfcr Q^QcneEhzsibcxh ^willcomcjhortljjandthenjhaf we haue die ktllmgandmHrthe ring(/fthem» and cannot yetlinde time to dilgorge thcm- fclues of that malice , let them tail the bitterneOe of their ownegall, let them imagine >deuifes and not perfonne diem till their eyes be confumed in their heades* Let th jir roote becrottenneffe and their bud as duft, and let the • weapon of their neceflitie bee gorged in their owne bow- els, whilcft they intend and plot euill againft the An'oin- f» Vj4l.9^.%i, ted of the Lord* •" Let thy hand, O Lord, holdhimfaji^ , and let thine armeJireKgthenhinty that theenemiemajmt be '; able to doe him violence f andthatthefinneofroick^dMe^e TftLio.^' majnot hurt him* * Saue Lord and hearevs^ 0 king of he*" Hen, rvhenvpe call vf on thee, 35. W. Bishop, If theft there bee no greater redfon ofwaight and moment tphyjHch dutifuUand wellde/ermng Sublets , fljoulde beefo freeuoHflja^i^ed for their cotjfcience. Let others conceiu9 l: AS they fijxll pleaje, I yvillneHerftfffir nr^/felfe to beperfwaded thatyoMT Afaieftie m/e/terpermititybi^crel/eeitdofte : If it ifefurtherobie^edy rvhjjbouldnotyoftr Maieflie ajwellfumfb Catholkkes inyour kingdomes^as Catholickes doe Prots Bants j tnftme 9thtr CoHtttrttnl anfviere^thtft in allcomtrtes where \ mftltithdfi li EpfBle to the IQn^. 221 mnltitudes of bvth forts Are ntixedy as itis'tnEngUttd-.The Fr§tefiants are tolerated^ as in Trance y foLmay*BohemU.the (^athclick^Jiatesofgermanjy and Cantounes , according to thai of the Gofpell, Suffer both the wheat 6c cockle to grow M4tth,i}. vntill Iiaruelt, InSpaiyteytzndltalieywherefcarfeany'i-rtte-' fiants he, the cafe ts otherwife. But what is that to England } fVhere are very many Catholic he recufantSy and Catholikely afeBed in euery degree ^nct only of the 1 emforalitie, but in the Clergie alp) , hardly ofthehtgheji degrees of honour to be ex~ ceptedlthcrcf ore for their number and qualttie to be tolcra- ted. H. Abbot. I His moft excellent Maieftie may well cbncciuc by your I ycry laft wordes before that you are farre off from being dtttiefuHaxdwellde/eruingfftbie^ls, and therefore iuftly ta- kethcourletobringyou, ifitmaybe, to that that you in clFc6l confeflb, you f hould bee, which you can neuer be fo long as mifperfwafion of religion doth hinder true confci- cnce of yous dutie towards him. But you know well that your petition is liable to iuQ exception , for that in Italic and Spaine it is thought intolerable that Proteftants fliould bee permitted any vfc or exercifc of their religion, and therefore the hke fhould be conceiued of Papiftesa- mongft vs» To which your diltinftion of many or few gi- ucth no fufficient anfwer* For if toleration of contrarie re- ligions be a matter of pietie , it holdeth as well for few as for many ; and if the words of our Sauiour Chrift * fujfer * Mattl.\i}.^a both the vpheat and the cockle to grow together til har/ieji be to be vndcrilood thereof as you would make vs belceuc, they muitgiuc rule as well for fmall numbers as for great mul- titudes, and your Pope and other Princes eucn by your cwne rule do violate Chrifts commaundement in that (o fiirioully they bend themfelues againiVtheProtel^autsin tlieir dominions vtterly to extirpate and roote them out. Butthey doe that which they doc in dcbarring'the prote- ' itants 1^ 1 ■ TIjc JhJ%ey to 2). Sipops ftants doftrincvpon a principle which indeed is truc,anJ though mifapplied by them againft vSjyet iuftly and right • ly by his Maiellic to bee returned agaiull you. For looke wliat religion is the truth, that alone and oncly is to be fct vp : but what isvntrueandfalfcjthatis wliolly tobefup- prclTcd* Ic is neither cbaritie nor piety to giue way to ido- latric and falfe worfliip, becaufe it is the diihonor of God, andthepoifbnoftheloulcs ofmen. Nowe they thinke that theirs is the onely true religion , and therefore they determine that our religion is not to bee endured. His Maieftie afluredly knowctli that their religion is vntrufe^t and that the faith which is taught amongft vs, is the onely truth of God, beecaufe God hiinlelfe hath taught the fame, and byeuidence ofJiisowne wordes approoued it: and therefore rightly concludeth that your fupcrfti- tious and fallc worfhips arc by all meanes to bee aban- doned. S o Conftantine did aduance one onlcy true reli'gi- on^not your new Romifhdeuifes but the ancient Romanc faith , and as you before faydc chafed all other rehgions^ into corners. Sith therefore you propound to iiis Maieflie to follow the example of Conftantine you muft be cotent that hec ftt vp that onely true religion which Conftantine did, the auncient Roman religion which S« Paul taught in his epiftle to the Romans, and therefore chafe as all o- ther fo namely your newe Romifh religion into corners. And herein hefoUoweththc fteppes of thofe godly kings of ludah, Dauid, Ala, lehofhaphat, Ezechias , lofias and the like who are (pccially recommended in holy fcrip- ; ture, who vpheld one onely true worlhip of God, and ad- ^ , mitted no toleration offtrange religions, infomuchthat ^AfadefiofedAlaachahhisnjotherfromhcrregencie^hecafffei pjeehadmAds her anidollina grone, ^ brake dorvnehertdoth 4mdfia,mfeditvnderh'tsfeete and burnt it y vfing all meancS; to fhewe his deteftation of fuch corruption . His Maieftic well knowcth how feuerely God by his law did forbid tlie tolerating of any were they nctier (b neerc or neu^r i^ decrc Epijlk to the IQfjg. 255 dccrc that fliould ' fccretlj eriticeov openly drcnv awaj^iom « T>m. i^d, the true Icruicc of God tothc falfe vsorftiip of ftrangcij. gods. The man or woman that did it was to bee ^ftoned ''»"••<>. 10. to death; the city that admitted any fuch entifcments was *vtteihe to bee dcllroied, the inhabitants and their cattell. ^„.,y,^^ were to bee llainc vs ith the fword, the fpoile of the city to be burnt in the fire, the houfcs thereof to be made a heap and neucr to bee built agame. How then fhould his Maic- Ity bearc with your^ for.nes ofBeliall, your feminarie priefts ' ytr»i j* and leluites that they fhould feduce his fubieds and with- draw them to the \\ orfli jp of your new dcuifed gcds,your altar-godil . ® i/^ ')ps Popery tendethtothe cmpcachmcnt ofhisMaicflicsim- periall crovvne and dignicic,it hauing becnc before fhewcd that the fundamentali grounds thereof are mecrely traite- rous, anddocfubiedlhis Maiellic to bee at the deuotion and difpofition of another head. Surely in thole king- domes and countries where you, M Biihop, tell vs that Protcftants arc tolerated, hisMaieftiefeethas in aglaflc that if popery grow to lufficient llrength-for the managing of It felte he mull either be content to loofe the crowne or y eeld to you to make fliipvvarcke of his faith. For howfo- euer Protcllantes hauc beene there tolerated beecaufe for their number they knew not how to iupprefl'e them, and in the tolerating of them they found nothing dange- rous orpreiudiciall but rather beneficiali to their ellate, yet the Princes themfcluesmuft hauc no part in this tolerati- on nor can without refiftance and rebellion of the Popilh fadlion enioy their crowns and dignities whatfbeucr right or title they haue, vnleflc tiiey renounce their reUgion if they be Proteftants^and become vaflals andferuants to the pope^ The late example whereof in the kingdomeof Frauncemay beeafufficienteaueat to his Maieftie to take order againft the growth and mcrcafe of your part that by toleration ofyou the like danger grow not to himfelfcor to any of his pofteritie after him. As for your number hi- therto It is i)Ot fo grcat,thankes be to God^as tliat his Ma^ iefty hath any caule tofeareit, or for it to purchafe vnto himfclfe that certaine danger which of toleration of your popery incuitably enfueth.-itismorcinyouraccountthen It is in truthjSc that that it is greater in talc the in ftrength; and a number hauc growen Recufants either vpon talft hopes,or of curiofity aud nouelty and bccaufe they would feeme fomc-bodic by being lingular and different from o* thermen,whom the fmart of a rod will eafily reclaime and caule them to returnc to the church againe. Whereas you alleadgc your Catholickfly ajfe^edin euerie degree net of the Tem^oralty onlj bnt alfo of the Clergtejhtirdly the higheji de- grets. Efijlk to the IQng. 2 j j grees of honour to be excepted, we Cce you are willing to grace your Iclfe though it be but with a lie : you would tainc hauc their company that detcll to haueany of yours: it is but one of your accullomed prefurtiptions, and you your IcJFc Iiauc no confidence of that you fay, 3<. W. Bishop. Lajllyytf there-were noothercanfey hut theimumerahU benefits which euery decree and order of men throughout Eng- land ^hauey^' do datlyreceiuefrem our mofi CatholickeAHn- cefiors I xAs the confiituting offo many holfom: Utpcs : foun- ding offo mtny honourable, and rich rt wards of learningy as Btjhoprickesy Cathedral/ C httrcheStDeanerisSjxArch-deacon- ries, Rcftdenciesy Prebendesy and Benefices I the ere^ing^and buildvig of Jo goodly Schooles, Col/edges^ and Hofpitalsy and endowing ofthemwithfo ample foffe^ionj which all proceeded out of the bowels oj the true wifedcme,pietiey(^ vertue of their Catholicke religion: Is not this much more then a fuffcient motiue why their he/res infaith^Jhould be mcji benignly , and loHtKgly dealt with \ andnot for the prof effion of the fame 'K^ltgiony fofiuer(lyafflt£led} Let the ^rotefiantsin thofe countrieSywherethey are mofi ptolefied, appeare and fbew^ that thetrpredecejfortinbeleefe, haue becnejo bencfictallvn- to the fublike weale '. »And 1 dare vndertake, that for their t/funceficrsf^kf^theypjdl pj^de much morefauoury then wefuefor. H^herefore they can haue no iuficaufe^ to repine At jour Maiefiies goednejfe, ifvponmen of that Religion whtchhath becne fo beneficial! vnto your whole Realme^ yon tak^ extraordinary compaffion. R. Abbot* This argument of yours, M» Bifliop, is common to others as well as to you^ and cannot aduantage you but ic muftbylikcreafoBaduantagc themt God brought hi% Hha people *p«« 296 Tl^e Anpper to ©. ^tjJjops people oflfraell into the land of Canaan, and there gauc them * great and goodly cities which they butldednot : honfet 'full of all manner of goods which they fi! led not : ^ wets digged whit h they digged not X vineyards and oliue trees rvhtch they flmtedjiotj and yet gaue them charge to deftroy tho(e na- tions and to giue no toleration of their abhominations, from whofe hands thefc benefits did redound vnto them. Chriilian religion hath receiued much benefit and ftrcngth from fecular and prophane arts and learning, which hea- then men haue poiifhed and fitted to our vie. In refpcft ^ jiui»ji.de whereof, the godly fathers of the Church "^ haue much dofl.chri/i.iib. recommcnded the knowlcdgc ofthofcftudies, as verie z.ca 40. auaileable to prepare a man to the feruice of the Church, ^fH""^f whichluliantheApoftatavyell perceiuing, gaue foortli aoejcentei ^^ ^^^^ ^^^^ ^ Chriiliaus fhould be barred from tlie vfe On>«».»»EW. ofPoetiie,andRhctorickc, andLogickc, and other arts. hom.i. ofPhilofophie: '^forontofonrbookesid^A he, they borrow ^ Socrat.hifi ypgm^ns whereby they fight againfiourfelnes. And yet it is '' rWorel* "^^ ^"y ft^ffieient realon to tolerate heathenilTi Ibperftiti- hifidih. 4 .M. 8 . ons, becaufe tliey were heathens from whorae thefe hclpes of learning haue dcfcendedvntovs. Sohaue Chriftian ftates receiued from the heathen Romanes their ctHill lawes^ and therefore what ihould, M. Bifhop gaine at our hands if it were confefl'ed, t hat at the hands ot their Aun- ceftours we haue receiued the confiitution of mmy whole* fome lawes. Butindeed they were none of your Aunccltors M.Bilhop, from whom we haue receiued our auncient lawes, For our auncient lawes make the Prince Gods ^^(?^(?rf»?inthiskingdome, as hath bcenc before fayde*. Our auncient lawes and cuftomes of this rcalmc difanul- led the enchroaching authoride of the Bifhop of Rome, for refilling of which laWcs * Thomas Bcckct was holden • Mmh, V4rif. for a traitour in the time of king Henry the fcco nd, and inHenr.z.' hadde itbecnc by courfeof law was iuftly for that caufc put to death, Ihauealfo before declared what diffe- rence tlicrc is betwixt the religion of oldprofelTed, vn- dcr. Epiflle to the K^ng. 227 dcrtheprote6lion of the lawcs of this Realmcjand the rehgicnthat isnovvevrgedbyyou, lo that the founders of thole lawes arc not to be accounted oi your kindc. Of Bilhopnckes and Archbiflioprickes I may anfwer as of lawcs I haue done. For when religion firll was pubhckly rcceiuedandtlUbhOied in tiiis land ni the time of king Lucius it found heere ot heathen inllitution eight and lYitniic^ famines 2kny the Lw $fGod\ or elfe vtterly to bcggcr and vndoe, both thentt undtheirsfor their conjiant frcftffion of he Auncicrt Roman faith. Mj confidence inthefweet fromdcnce oft he Almighty tSy that he will mere fully incline your Rcy, ill hearty to theofe rather to pardon^then to fumjh : hecaufe the way of mercie^ conforteth better wtthyonr ki^de and tender nature :it is of better a^urance to continue your peace-'.ble ^ profperousYaion it will purchase mercic at God handes^ according to his owne promifey Blefled be the mercifull, for they Ihall obtainc mcrcic. R. Abbot. The ground of your requcft of fauouris hut petiti^ principify a begging ofthc point in queftion, or rather a wilfulljprefumpcionofthetruethot tliat which without queftion is falle. You fay you are ccmpellea by the lawe of Godtotranfgrejfeyour 'Princes Lw, in refufingto con- forme your ielues to the rehgion commaundcd thereby. But where IS that law of God? Shew vs in the old" or new tcftament any law or wordc of God tliat may giuc your. Recufants any ihew of reafon why tliey fhould dcnie • to come to Church. Who is there amongft them all that ci- j tlier can or doth alleadgeout of the law ofG OD anic ! tliingto that purpofef No, no, you by your wiles are bc- i come to them the law of God ; you kcepe from them the • ksj of knowledge : you concealc from them tlie lawe of I God, and fright them from mcdling with the holy fcrip- * i-»(.ii.y. i tures, and vpon the aduantage of their ignorance you en- i tangle them with your Icwdc and vngodly dcuiles, which I fahly and wickedly you entitle the Liw ofGcd, It is the law of Antichriftj the law oP iheman of finne, the childc ol I perdition, that kecpcth them from aflcnibling thcmfclucs I " with a ru 240 17;^ Arifwer to DJBljhops with the churth of God,that they may bee partakers with him of the fame dcftru6^ion. A nd fo you hkewife delude them as touching the prof (Jfion of the amaent Romanefaithy whereas in their protc{!ion there is nothing like to that faith which the Apoftlehath comprifcd in hisepiltleto ' G^l.-i^i 2. the Romans. Ah caytifes, ah mifcreants ' would to God jee were enen cut off that thus troubie the people of God, i p , ^ g * eattng them vp lik^ bread by making your commoditie of them! The mercie that ihould be fhewed to you is the e I .j^,„^ I g^ Hme that Ehas (hewed to the ' prieftes of Baal to cut you 40. off that you may no further encreafe your fin by cauling the Lordes people to trefpaflcagainft him . Asforthofc that are thus feduced by you, his Maieflie doth intend vn- to them the mercie of God, though not that mercy that „ you require, yet the mercie that Saint lude commen- f lui.e^ift. yer^ dcth, ^ tofaue them bjterronr andfeare fulliy.g them by *?• force out of the fire. It is rightly and truely noted by ^ s jiwrufl.ebifi Saint Auftin that there 1%^ a crueltie fmttimes inffa- 514,'^ ring^ and a, mercte fometimes in punifhing* It is a workc of mercie which our Sauiour commendeth in the Gof- •• L»c. 1 4. 2 J , pell ; '' Compellthem to come in that my h§ufe may beefilledy ' jii*gHfi,ef.'io i jff„e„yp(y.g^yf;ffiij^gifiahoHfeyX2kh%2LmtAu{\my which we certainly knew wouldfally *nd they would not beleeue vt when wefhHldtcllthemfOi but would continue in the fame fiill were we not to be adiudged cruel and vMcharitable men rfha- mngtt in our power wejhouldforbearetopullthem out ^ And if being manyfome of them be headjirong ^ wtll needs dfjiroy themfelues, is it not mercy yet tofauefome or any one oft hem f This is the mercy that his Maicfty pcrformeth to your Recufants that leing them to confort themfelues with An- tichrift and thereby to procure their owne dcll;ru6tion, he may by violence draw them from vnderthepawesofthe Lion, and ifnot all, yet fo many as to whome God ihall blefle the mcanes and endeauour that he fhall vie for them j^ .fl J knowing^ that medicine is not to be negleBcdthough/o/He be *^' *^ '' taksnmth a feplencethiUis incurable. And in this doing his E^ijlle to the IQn^, 1 4 1 Ills malefti? may lookefor mcrcie, becaufeliccnicwedi mercie according to the words otXlinlt, ' 3Mjed'Jfeethe^ MatLtj^ menifHlt for iheypull obt.'tne wercte : wliLrcasiic IJiOuldbe j accounted mcrcilclle and cruellit'" he (hoslupifferfrantike ' men to rnnne headlong and to d Jtroy thcmjelttss. Let tile me- '" •^ugu^.tpifl, dicjne be iharpe, lo tiiatit may vvorkcaciue : let the law 4^. jbeggermany wiUulIperl'ons to the world, ihatlome at ' lealt may thereby be cnritlied towards God. As for your icrmtsoi duttffilLmdajfMtorutfubi ^j, we hau e (ecne be- fore that they arc wordes ot Jiypoct ific and no triath, and that men oi^ your deuotion cannot poliibly be duely af"- fe6tcd to their Prince. And wlicreas you vfc the words ot better a^iirancc to continue his Mrd, flies ^ecceablc andproj- \ptrtHsr(ttgne^ the truth is, vvhatfoeuer you pretend, that if liwmaielbe bemercitull to you in that fort as you dcfirc, ' he inuft ihew himfeife crueil and mercilefle to himfelfe, neitlier can he expe6^ a peaceable and profperous raignc, iFonce you grow to that ftrcngtli, that he mayrecciuca chetkc from you. Let the adder freefe without doores: if he be harboured and warmed at the fire, he will fting him that hath entertained him, and then it will be but a mat- ter of floure, " aluijiis incendiHmejuonunc ardetis : j/ee haue ftdde the fire yonrfelfe : be content now to be burned w it. » Likj,Vtc*d^ 7,%. W.BisHOP. I need not addc whit a Confolation, and comfort it wi 'lie t ?. many jc ore thou fluids ofyourfubieUs^and thegreatefl obli^ gAti on that cm be dcuifed^ to bmde them toy oh^ and yours for ener^'^ow whatapplanfe, and c ngrutui ition from forren Ca-* tholUk^ ^^^^» ^i^h wouidfollaw this your famous FaEt. ZJn-^ doulied'y al! the glorious companie of Kings ^ ^luetnes{navf in he4'ie,t ) rifwhomyoH are lyneallj defccnd^d : and among ail tb.' rcfl ^namely ,yoHr n'wfl facred and d:are Moi her, that en* dur. dfo mu'hfor her conflancie in the fame Cathol eke faith cannot but take it mofl kindly, if for God and thetr fakes, ycM tak^ into y9ur Prtncely protcElion their foUowersuitlye Roman faith, and defend themfrom opprcjfitn. . j ? : :> -^ : R ? ':i I i K. AbI Ot* i^z Tie Anpper to D. ^tjlio^s R. Abb OT. Nofcoresofthoufands, M.BilTiop, to whom it will be a comfort, but hundreds of thoufands to whom it will be a difcomfort to fee harbour giucn to the vipers brood to eate out the bowels of their ownc mother. And as for obligaiton to hinde them to his Adaicjiie and his for euer: it is cuident by the principles that hauebeene before laicd * downc, that there is no obligation whereby his maicfty may be fecure of them, nor any bond whereby they may be lb tied to him , but that they arc alway es to bee readier to another to whom they are tied with a faftcr bond . You promifc great afflaufe and coKgrr.tulatienfrcmforraine Ca- tholtcke ccuntriesf but liis maieftie findeth farre greater comfort in the cleerenefleof hisowne confciencc, en- tirelic aduancing the true feruice ofGod, and in the congratulations of the truely faithf uil, both of his ownc fubie6ls within his Dominions, and many Princes and thousands of people in other countries :who are farre mo, rcioycingto fee his maiefties rcfolution and conftancy in the truthjthen there willbc to take knowledge, as of a fauourdonetothemby his maiefties i;clentinganddecli# ning therefrom. And of your Catholicke Princes it may be there are f ome, who would gratulatc ihemfelues if they might attaine to that kingly Ibueraigntic which his maie- ftie by true religion doth enioy , which becaufe they can- not, they would be glad for companies fake to fee him cn- clinctoyourrequeft, in hope to haue him brought to the like feruitude and bondage as tliey are in ♦ Which how- (osucr ithe to you a famcusfaB, yet in truth is fo infa- mous and diflionourable as that there is little caufe for you to hope that his maieftie fliould cuer yeeld to the do- ing of k* A s for Kings and ^ueenes in hcauen taking kindly the doingefthdt which you defire : his maieftie will belecue it when you fhew him warrant that they haue made you the intei'prcter of their mindc, or dcliuered you any fuch mcffageto doc vmo hjm,Which if you donot,hc know- cth Epijlle to the I\in£. 14 j cth well inor.gh that thcfe arc but idle words ofyour foo- liili Rhctoricke and tar Ircm any force tolcrue your turne. Bucuhcreasyou make mention of his inaicftics mother: if there were no other caufc yet the very remembrance of fier might be (uflficicntto make himdcrcft you all to the pit of hell : by w hofe fcduccmcnts and promiilies, and continuall praftifcs and prouocations fhe vs as brought to that wof uli and vnprincely fall,cuen as to your villany was to bee imputed the loflc of the bloud otic many nobles and gentlemen that was flicd in the dayes of Quccne Eli- zabeth,of whom many (had they been free from your en- trap mcnts) had Hucd goodlubit6lsvmiU this day. The fame muft we lay of them who fince his Highncfl'e com- niingtothecrownc, and fpccially of late haucbeene in- tangled in your nets to the vttcr confufion and ouerthrow both ofthem and theirs, So that not onely his maicltic hath caufe to hate you but alfb all they that hauc had anie mtcrcft in any of thatbloud,yeathis whole l^aie which by ycuhaue bcene bereaucd of lo many ff eciall members that might haue done great fcruice and helpe vnto ir« 39. W. Bishop, 2 kus mcji hhmblie crauirgfardcn tj jour Wghmjfc,if I haue in arj thtr.g exceeded the limits cfmj hov.nden dutj^l ho feet hour bicjfed Saniour to endue you, hei h with the true k^cnuf ledge cf his diuir:e 'verity, andrnththe/firncfpcrtithde, to enthrace ^nd defend tt confiay. tly\»r that at the leafi^gracioHJlji to tolerate andfermzt it. Your moft Excellent maicftics, moft obedient, and loyal! fubieftjaud fcruant. W, B. R. Abbot^ Indeed M.Bifhopiuil caufe there is that you fhould aske pardon of hismaicftiefor exceeding the lim.its of yourboundcnduticjuctfcrthclcngih ofyour cpifllc but i i a for 244 TI^^ ^nfiver to D. Sifhops for the matter of it. If vpon aduertifincnt and further examinacio ot that that you Jiaue written you do not aske his Maieilie pardon and fubmit your fclie to Jus mercie, you fliewyourfelfetoben lewd and a naughty man. You hauc written to his Maieftie that which you are notable toiuftifie : or if you caniuitifie it, let icappeare and I will craue pardon of his Maieftie to ioyne with you. But be- caule you cannot, and lo indcccy auouch that you cannot tlierefore as touching your praier I anfwere you with Ter- » Tertul J^o ■ tuUians wordes l * EJio reh^ iofus in Deum,qHi vtstllum Impe lsgtt.cai>, 34. ratori propiiium 'SIqh that rvillpray^to Godfor his goodnejfe to- wardes yo^r Vricce^befirfi your felfe true ly religiSm towardes (jod*God regardeth none of your praiers as now you pray your Prince canexpe/f,andthatthedayisathand which the, • !.► ^. ^ ,» Lord hath promifed which lliall * hnn2 vpon Babel the ven- geance of the Lor d&the vengeance of his te fie. \ he Lord make good his word i the Lord haltcn his work,that we may fee it that that ^ furfie harlot hrft fou ndcd in bloud and pahcide, kApof.17. 4. and hauingfmceby an vnquenchable thirftmg after bloud .,jjj. g madeheHelftheflaughtcrhoufe ^ of the_SatnLs and Martyrs of ' ' " * c/in7?,raay^of her owne children drinke bloud her belly ful,. 01 vei. *o. ^ j^^j. m^^^ heauens may reioice and the holy /-foflles C^ Prophets^ feeing the ludgement of God vpon her, cajiing her with vio- lence into the fea^ neu^rtorilcagaine. And you, moft noble King, in whom God hath turned the period of time which threatned alteration & danger to our ftate«Sc gouernment, to the further ffrength and eftabli(hment thereof, and hath lifted your throne far aboue the thrones of your royal Pro- genitors, and hath made you in a maner the ballance of the Chriffian world, confider thatitis vndoubtedly for fbme great work that in his prouidencehehath fo difpofed it,and thereto apply thofe fmgular ornaments and endowments of the mmd jwherei n y ou excel! all that haue bene before you* • God hath made your Highnes able to efpie and difccrne the conicatchingdeuices of thofe baffard Catholikfcducers, & we affureour felues,thatinyourfe]f &in your royal pofle- ritieit fhalbefound, to the great aduancementof the faith and Kingdome of lefus Chriff. Wherein that our hope may . not be fruffrate,we moft humbly befcech almighty God to c put into your Maieflics heart not to betoofecureof them ^ who DedicAtorie, ji\ ho account it a martyrdomc tgdieiorjhc murriieringof ? Chriftian PriiKcs^and in the flieddingof yourfacrcd bloud ivould think thcmlclucs to hauc gained the onehaif of their defircs, content perhaps by inftruclions for a while to tem- porize, and to make fliew of meaning no harme,till the me- mory of thir late viiJany being fomewhatouerblowne^they imay betheJeffe fufpeded^but hauing already giucn to vn- iderftand what your Maieftie fhall looke for ac their hands jifopportunity Ihould fecod their dciignes. The Lord auerc jandturnethatiudgmcnt from vs, W" hind your Mak flies \fotde in the bundle of life with the Lor dy our God^ that your eies " " •^*"^•^y• lmay longbchold that noble Impe of grace, the branch of*^' I our hope, together with the other branches of your roy all !line,gro wing before the Lord to the further difmay and ter- I ror of your enimies, and the greater fccuritie and aflurancc of the church of Chrift. As for the feruice which according to your Maiefties commandement I haue here performed, albeit it be far from that perfec^tion which the weight of the caufe requireth, yet I doubt not but it is iufficicnttofhew/ on whether parr the truth is to be found, and to iuftilie the proceedings of your Maicfty againft thecauillations of wiU full meUjdefperatly (hutting their ownc eyes, that the light of the Gofpel may not fhine vnto them. Whacfoeuer it is,ic moft humbly craueth your Maiefties acceptance and royall protedion and fauor,whcreto with ail loyall duty I recom^ mend itand your Highnefic felfe to the protection of the moft high God, whofe caulcitisthatis defended thereby. Tour Mate (lies mofl humble anddtittfulljubieti R OB. Abbot. A 4 TO TO THE CHRISTIAN READER. I ntle Reader, thou ivilt I hofe impute it in fome fart to the condition of the time, that I giue thee thisanfiver not altogether fo well featured and flj aped as thou haply wouldjl defire 4t. Though it he a fruite that may feemeto haue hene long in grow ing^yetas the cafe fiandeth with me, the length of time hath but ferued to bring it to his greatneffe, and therefore howfoeuer it commeth forth with defiance to the aduer- faries,jet I confe ffe it feemethto menotfo throughly digefled<^nd feafoncdas J would haue wifJjedit, to content thee. In this defericc of Gods truthjthe things that are Jpeciallj to he rcfpected agamfi theimportunitie andaduantageofour adueffaries, are flrength and expedition, I haue had care, as the matter would permit, to fatifi^ thee m both thefe refpeHsj and let thy care herein obtain par- don ofthee^ifj feem vnto thee tofaileinfome complements otha'- wife, if thou thinkethii my anfwer nee die ffe becaufe another man hath already taken paines therein, thou mufi remember that no mans priuate preuention could yeeld mee dijpenfition to bee free from doing that whtch publike author itie required of mee. 1 doubt not hut in the reading of either, it f] aid appear vnto thee what fpirit it is wherewith thefe Bo?nifJj factors are led in their oppofuion againfi vs^and that it is not truth and fauing To the Chriftinn Reader. fauingoffoules whertothey bend themfelues^ but onely the vp- holdmg of their fa^lion-^ lyhetherby truth or falJJwod, by right or wrongyit shlieth rot, Jo that that may be performed, T hat thou may'si the hetterjec and iudge of all, J haue injerted thcivhole text of Docfor Bilhops booke, altogether condemning that fa/f/joodand guile which he hath v fed towards M. Perkins, And they alvfi in their pretence andjhew ofanfwcring our books ^ in that they neuerjet downe the copieof that to which they an- Jwer. W hich policy ferueth them to blind the Reader, andtogaine liber tic to themfeluesto conccale and diffemble what they liji, to per Her t, tovilifie, tofaljifie, and by abfird imputations toca- luminate without being controlled, As our fiielitie and good confcience of the caujcwhichwe handle, manifefily appear ethift that we neuer forbear e topiibliflj our aduerfaries bookes to the WO) ld,whenwe haue adioyned an anfwer to them ; fo their guilt and guile is manifest by the contrary , for that they fear e to put forth our bookes with their anfwer s, as doubting leH the bookes being at hand fl)Ould bewray andjhew the vnfuffciencic of the anfwers. As for Majler Perkins booke, bemglothtoomuchto incrcafe thegreatnefje of the volume, I haue forborne to put it in, the rather for that the fubjlance thereof for the mofl part may appear e by that that M after Bifhop hathfet downe , and where hefaulleth, I haue taken occafion in my anfwer to declare, if not the words yet the fumme and (fft^^ of it, the booke itfelfe alfo be- m^ eafily had by any that is dejh ous more exa^ly to compare ihcra. The authors conceit for the forme and manerofthat work was greatly tobe apfrouedy and where as it hath had the liking of very marry for the briefe andplaine deliuery of our controller- ft ill grounds, they fjall fee now that it was not without caufe that they caricdfo good opinion ofit,inafmuchas the malice of an cnemie out of their many large yjo\\.\xx\Qscanfi.'idlolittlemat- tcrofwaight andfubjlance to fay againjiit . / doubt not but it had To the Chriftian Reader. :had beene well that in fome places he had giuen it fame better Jirength , but it is to be confidered^ that as the midwife iudgeth better of the birth theft the mother that trauelleth with it, and in gammg-, the Jlander by fometimes feeth more then he that flajeth^foit is in writing of bookesj that the Reader and exa- miner feeth fometimes a defect , where the bufted and intan- gled mindc of the writer obferued none : and therefore of ivel" wilier s and men indifferent, it is to be expe^edthat that which is fomcwhat vnpcrfefHy deliuered in one place, be no impeachment of that which is fufficiently fenced and fortified tn anoiher. i ma pjalt findc it {gentle Reader) to hau^e beene fo written, as that M after Bifhop is faine to vfe verie flume full and mi (era- hlc fhifts to gitie fjew of anfwer to it. Do thou learne hereby to lone the truth, which thus triumpheth in the ddaey fanes owne cdmpe , and euen in their ow^e bookes infdceth oner them, while f either perforce they fuhfcribe it ,or (heiv them- fclues fo exceedingly diflrefjed to refiji orjland again jl it. Take no offence whofoeuer thou art at the continuance ofthh f^ht, hecaufe ths order miifl (land which God fet dowm in the be- aGcn.3.15. ginning betwixt the Woman and the Serpent,"" i wiipur en- biThefl:? 1. ^^^^^ betwixt her and ti\ee, betwixt iier feede and thy feede: and therefore there fhall neuer want ^ abiurd orvn- ♦i.Tim.4.x. reafonable men,*hauing their confciences (eared with a liotelron, "H?//^ whom no euidenceof truth fjjid preuailc^ to make them defifi from- oppugning the fe?de that is co'^trarie to them. The beginning of which abfiirditr.^ is to be feene in wicked Cain towards his brother Abel, whom the voice of God per fonally (peaking to him could not diuert from that ma- lice whereby he had intended the dej} ruction of his brother, 7 he fuccejsionwhereof we?nay behold in the Scribes and P ha- rt fees, and Elders of the I ewes , whom neither the tnnocencie ' efthelife of Chrifi^ neither the atithoritie of his doMne, nei- ther To the Chriftian Reader. thcr the glory of his miracles^ nor any etiidence of the hand of God work/ng with him^ could any 7r.»r moue^ bin th^it they were Jt ill C4- utlling and qtuirelling agamji hirn^ JhllACCuJingand condmning him , and neuer ceafing euen a^ainji their oivne conjcienccs to fight again/i him. yf^hatmaruell istt then that the 'voice of Cod Jpeakingto vsinthefcnpttires^ andtejtifying what the faith and religion is that we are toy eld vnto htm^doth not end the quarell andappeafethefuryofouraduerjiiries Again jt vs^ but that ma mad conceit of themjelues an^^ of their churchy they goon fi ill to make of religion what thty It jt^ and with impudent faces labour toperjwade men ^ that how/oeuer mplatnewordes the Scripture feemetomakefor vs^etm meaning they are againfi-vs? ^^rtd Jurelyinct edible it wereJ)Ut that we fee //, that men hauing vfe ofwitandwfU^ fjjould dare in that fort as they do tomocke and delude the word of God. At their pleafure they bring in their abhominations tnto the Church , and when the Scriptures are alledged againfi them^ they tell vs by lame difimciions which fland one'lcg^ge in the fcriptures^the other quite bcftde^ that the Scriptures mean thus or thus^ but in no fort touc h that which is done by them ^ though theverie letter of the text do apparently contradi^ them. As if the adulterer flmdd fay^ that the Sc- ipture condemncth not his adult erte with a Chri- Jiian woman^ but onely that which is with Infidels and Pa- gans-., or the dnmkard fhould alledge that tt meaneth nothing of his drunkenneffe, but onely of the drunkenneffe of them who haue not n he; ewith to maintaine their drinking. Howmanydt- Jlincfions haue they^ whereof there is no greater reafontobegi- uen then may he^iuei^ofthefeanfwerslNow what herefie^what idolatrie, what damnable fancies haue there euer beene in the world^ which may no! fuide meanesfor their defence if this licen- cious kinde of diflinciions and deuices may take place ? ifthefe mockeries be deemed intolerable in the laws of men, what impiety, what To the C hriftian Reader. r^hAtmckedneffeisitthm to dally with and to mockethe word of God? Bat the light of the fcrij^ture doth pUidy difcouer the vamtie of thefe flnfts , and that is the cdnfe why they hate mdfimn the f cri ft tires as the theefe doth the gallowes^ and the Beare the /lake. IVhat a worke do they make,how mauy demces do they vfe, how readie are they to apprehend euerj pretence, to difcourage the people frommedling with the fcriptures ^ and to breede in them an i>ncertaintie and doubt ofrefiing their faith c Auguft.epi . ^fy^.^^^ ^^^ f^gyg j^ ^Q cAufe for thee to he moued atfuch bugs a pcrta func andfcar-crowes, wherewith thefe n^alignant adtierfarksfeeke to tanquam fa- j^figljf: f}jee out of the garden ofiefns Chriji, deftring to haiie thee TuVfinefua)'^^^^^''^'' Continue vpon their fl inking dunghils, then to gather loquitur ad " thefweete and delightfomefiowers that yecld thejauour of lifc^ cotindodo. >Dnto eternaH Ufe . <^(fure thy felfe, that the moft ahfolute daftorufH. affurance of truth is in the voice of truth itfelfe , and thou mayfi d ide de doft. lefecurCj that howfoeucr men mayjpeake partially, and may de- cap" .in 1)'/' ceiuethee, yet God who /peaketh to thee in the Scriptures, which qurapcrce the aduerfary himfelfe dareth not denie-^ willneuer deceiue thee. pofica funtm j-ljgypfcicndmat difficulties and ohfcuritiesin the holy Scrip- ucni'itur iihtureswut tsit areajonfor thee tojorbeare todrmkeand towahj onaniaquE f^j/feife m thepullow pUces of the riuers of God, becaufe there dcm^morefqi ^^^ A-lfogulfcs anddepths,thebottomewhereof thouart not able Tiu:ndi. to fearch or found?" In rhoie things which are manifeft in the pn*8^'^Non Scripturcs,/^/>/r^^/;^/ Auftine, ^ Inwhich are contained or vt pauciintei- found all things that belong to Faith and behauiour ofliFe^ ligerent.fed Qod fpcakcth as a familiar friend, withoutglofing or guile f GrT"o"ad ^'^ ^^^ hart both of the learned &vnlcanicd;'=not that a few, Lcand.de ex -y^^/-/;Hierome, butthatallmay vndcrftand, the Scripture pofir.'ib.Tob. being ^ ariuer,yS/M Gregoric, wherein both the lamb may quo"agnus wade and the Elephant may fwimme j§thedo61:rinethereof ambulct & Elcphas natct.g Auguft de vtil cred ca^.PJane ita roodificnta vt nemo indehaurireno poflit quod fibi fans cft,fi modo ad bauricnduoi dcuote 40 pic vc vera rcligio pofcitaccedat. being To the Chriftian Reader. beingfb tempered, y4///fJ'4/>;/Auftin wilfftl»es,who againfifo clcare &* eu/dent tefiimony do To the Chriftian Reader. JoeJiiRperfiJlinthe ma'mtemnce thereof. Whkhjnfomeprt thou (halt fee in the treatife here followmgyandpj alt vnderjiand according to the occafiohere offred^that howfoeuer they cry with widemoutheSylhe fathcrs,the hxhQvs^yet their criets greater then their Jlrength^and that the Fathers haue not left vs 'imfur"* niJJjed either of armour to defend our felues^ or of weapons to conquer them. And the more tofecure thee here of ^ I haue fet down the tefimonies of the Fathers for the mo ft fart in their owne words ^either in Latine or translated into Latine^or in the Greeke tongue fometimes where I had the copy at hand^ andfaw the La- tine tranflation not fitly to exprefe the Greeke. I haue had a fin- cere and faithful! care to deale vprightly herein ^ and not to trou- blethee with impertinent allegations^ hutonelyjuch a^ are preg- nant and c'eare to that purp oft for which they are alledged.That Cod (by whofeprouide?Jce this (eruice hath befallen vnto mee) make the fwie profitable both to thee and mee^ and grant vs by writing and reading to encreafe in the light andaffuranceofhls truth that we may mor? and more fee and- difcerne the frauds of thefe Um ountbanks and iuggling Sophifters^ whobyinfolento- fientation ofwords ^andcafiingof falfe and deceitful! colours^ take vpon them to be able to charmc the worlds and by their wits to iuggle all other men be fide their wits^treading vnderfoote the word of Codjpretendmgthe fathers names, and betraying the faith of the fat her Sy fubie^ing all religion to their ownefancie^ and fay mg after the manner of wicked men^ With our tongs we willpreuaiIe,wearethcythatoughtto fpcake, who isLordouervs ? ^ndthou^O mercifulll ather^who onely art the refuge and dwelling place of thy poor e and maligned Churchy ' Aablilh for thy names fake the thing rhac thou haft wrought in vs^goeforwardwith the worke which thou hafl fa gracioujly %egun,to diffolue the captiuity of Babylon^ and to free the remnant of thy Church from the yoke of the {lattery and bon- dage TothcChriAian Reader. dageofayfntichrijl^ that allfiumhlmg blocks of PopifJ) ffropha- mtims and idolatries bemg remoucdj there ma) he a way prepa- red for the returne oftheforlornefeede ^/Abraham mto thefo- ciety of thy people, that thenceforth we may expe^ and lookefor the camming of thy Sonne lejits Chrifl^to make an end of the fe e- ufll dates ^ and to gather v » euerUJlingly to tha t hope which in him thou hajl fet before vs. ™ Amen, Lord. Come Lord lefus, come quickly. Apoc.21. »o. Of luftification. TheJpecUU Contents of this "Booke, THat the Church of Rome makcthChrift in efFc(^ no Chrift* pag.i4.&c. That Rome is Babylon,aod the Pope Antichrift, pag.39. Of Frce-will.Chap. i .pag.8^. Of origi nail finnc after Baptifme.Chap.2 .pag. i C%, OftheccrtainticofSaluacion.Chap.g.pag.ayj. I. That righteoufnelfc before God is imputed, not inhcrcnt.pag.3 87. 2,What manner of Faith it is whereby we are iuftified.p.454. Chap. 4.pa. 3 79.in^ 3. That faith oncly doth iuftifie,pag,458. which are handled 14. How wcaffirmcit vnpollibic to keep Gods ehefepoincs: I commandcn1cnts.pag.550. j 5. That our good workcs arc not free from I fiaine of fin.p. 573. 6. That true faith cannot be without charitic (^ & good w01ks.pag.505. OfMcnt$.Chap.5.pag.^25^. Of Satifia(Siion.Chap.d.p3g.72p. Of Traditions. Chap.7.pag.83 9. Of vowci,and namely of the Monkifti vowcs ofchaflttic,pouer' tic and obedicnceiChap.8.pag.j^92. Of images.Chap.p.pag.iioy. THE PREFACE TO TH e %e <^ D E R^ ByDo>5^orBiniop. Eftt/e Reader, I meanenot heere to enter t awe thee rvith mufty words : the principal/ caufe that vtQHcdmet0 write, trar the hffottr unci nlorieof God in deft nee of his (acred vertty\ then the im • t}loyi»^ of his talent be flowed vpon rne : as veelL toforttf.ethe wekerfort ofCathoIikj wtheir faith oi to callbiicke and leade ot hers (irbt wander vp a*id dovfne like to lofi pieepe^after thetr oxvne fancte) tnto the right waie. / tookf i» hand particularly the confutation of this beoke ^not only for that I*xai theyeti>itorec]t{cflcdbya friend ef good intelhgence and iuirement^vho thought tt very expedient. but aljobecaufe perufing of itjfoiid'tp'nnedrrjorefchotlerlikethenthe Prote(iantsvf:to doe or- dinarily: For'fiyft,thepowts m coni>ouetfiearef(t dovDndifiinSlly^ofr for the mod part truly. AftenvardinconfirtKaitonof their opmtonihe chief Mgurnerts are'iroduceifro both Scrrptures^Fathers c^reafen.'f-Vhtcb are not vulgar^but cnlledout of their /^;/, Luther, Peter Martyr, Q,i\\i\\\,Kc:\mMUii'&^& fuch like .^thouih he name themnot.Lafliy, he plaserhfome obieHioni^made inftuor oft he Catholik^do^rine^^anfive- reth 10 themxi xrell as he could. And\)vhich Ifpeaketo his commenda" ti0n)doth perform all this very briefly iir clear ely. So that {tofpeake my )ptnion freely)! haue not feene any bo okjif like e^nanttty ., publtfhed by a Vrote^at^tocontametthermorematter or deliuercd in better method. And confeejuen tly more apt to deceiue the Jlmple: efpectaliy conjiderinq^, that he rvithal counterfeiicth to come as neerevnto the Romane Church (U his tender confctence will permit htm^hereas indeed hee walks^^ >^ mde from it ^as any other noueller of this age. Ifhcrefore I eficemedmj fpare timebefi imploied about the difcoue- B ring 2 Themfr^erofD.Bifljops riHcr'ofitjhehir (^ it were )an abridgement of theprwctpall contropier- neTofthife tirnes^ayiddo endenour after the fame SchoUfliCaHmannerj wihout allfuperfl'iUic ofirordtno le(je to mainta'tne anddefendthe Ca- tbohke^ay tie. jhen to confute all fnchreafons as are bj)A^ Perkins aU [edged for the conirarie. Re^d thisfkcrt treatife (good Chrt(iian) diUgemlie^ for thou fhalt fttdeinitthe rK^rrow and pith of many large volumes, contrAled and dr^'ivr^einto a nArrorv roome. And reade tt oner (U it bccommeih a good Chrtfiian^ nuth adefire to finde out, and tofe!low the truth, becanfe tt concerneth thy eter»allfa/mtio» .- andthen^ttdge mthout pmiia/.tie, Vi->het'jer Religion hath better grounds ia Godsv^ord, moreeuidem tcjli- mony from the purefl anttquitie^aed is more conformable vmo allgodli' fjgjfe, good life, and vpright dealmg {ihf t» fallible >rarkes of the bcjl Re- ligton)ay)d fpeidtiy embrace that, blefore I end this (hort preface^ tmufi intreate thy ratience to bearetvith the faults tn p'irittng^ vphich are too too many, but not fo much to be blamed tf it bee courttouflj conjideredf th.tt itwiiivrritidfarrefromthe Author n^ith a Dutch Cv>» po/tr, and ouerfeer.e by an vnsktlfuH CorreBor : the great e^ of them (hall be amen- dediiithe endofthebooke. Before the printing of this part vi>asfini^)«dyl heard thatM Perkins )-^tii dend. lamforie that it cemmethforih too late to do him am good. Yet his worke lining to poifon others , a prejeruat tue againfi it, fsneuer the lejj'e necejfary. R. Abbot. IF yen had rcrpc>?.ed thegloricofGod, M. Bi(ljop^\i(\\ou\il hauc appeared by yoiirrcfpcdioyecldloucraigilcrhoiiorand autho- litic totlic wordotGod. God is in heaucn.andwecarc vpon the carrb ; wc hauc no knowledge ofhim, no aquaintance or dealing with him but by his word. Theiein wefeekeiiim, andnndhim j iExtr.iri,''^:U-, [herein hefpeakcth vnto vs, andtliereout welcarneto fpeakc'to tngioja: Crater eV.'vA^. Ifwe haiic thc word ofGod, God IS pfc fcnt with VS; ifwc bc dmmumDeum without tlic word of God,God himfclfe IS ubfent from vs. Therc- ftc»o^io:u,jfe torc by Oil r honourand obedience to the word otGodjit mult ap- jlatum,&c:h.e' p-^j-^ r{)at \ve tful V aiul {ir.ccTtly intend and ieeke foi the clory of t:a: God. Hereby it appeareth that you, MrBip:>op, in this your bookc, haue not fought for the glorie oi God, but rather to glorific 'your ZordGodtbe pope^ 2LS y out GloiXc of thc Canoahw moil Llafphc. moufly Preafac^ to the deader, " 3 moully hath nilcdhim. Vouhauc in this workcoryoursvfcd all iiianiKrofviuiuthandnunioodjtovpholdjndiuftiHchiswickcd proceedings againfltlic word of God. VM'atfccucr God Jiaih raughtvSjwhatl^KiicrCJuiilandhisAportlcshaucdcliiicrcdjall is nothing if your Lord God the Pope, andyourmallcr BelUrmint his prod>cr gcnerall,do ^liy the contraric. How focucr (imp/ic and plainly thc>Tpcake,yet tiicy mcanc not as they rpcake,if the Pope and ^^//^rw;»tf will tell you another meaning. As for your talent ^ uc take it to be greater \v\ your owncopinion and the opinion of y.ourfcliou'esjthen xi is indeed, Butwharfocuer it is,you haucabu- fed it to the wrong ofhim thatgauc i^nottoedificatio^biittode- flrudion,not to f ortiHc any m the faith,but to nourilli and harden them that depend vpon you, in error and misbcleefc; not toieade any into the right way^butto inticc men to b crool^edrpatesartt:i/cfici col'!'y\'ll\ pMht^wliKh'^go downeto the chan,bers efcieiuh^md the end wheicof isconfufi3n and lliamc; notto vvTrhdrawmcnfrbmfancie^jbut to dra A' them to other fancieSjfrom fancies in conueifati6,to faiicics m religion ; that fo beeing fed wholy with fancieschey may pcrfh i;ithec.idforwantoft;Uef"oo'J. And indeed men that wander in fancies.are thefubiecl: for your malice & trechcry to uorkcvpon. M^nythatliuc in the oppDrtunitifofthcr knowledge ofJCbnO^ycc ncglcdland dcfpifc the fame. Theli;.;htlliincth into their eies,and they regard it not; God offcrcth himfelfc vnto thcm^a'^rhcy fay intheirhcartSjWehaucnodelTghtnor picafure in thee.Thereforc becing empty aiidv^oidof truth, they lieopcnf be filled with er- ror and liesi & hauing vnthankfuUy withholdcn thcmfclues from GoJ,God by iufl ludgcm^ntgiucth them oucr to the I an Js ofim. poftorsand deceiucrs, th«it maybe vctiHed wliich tiic ApoQic faith, •* Bcc*iH''e they recemednot the lone of the truth thtUtbey mtaht ^^.-.Thtt^'Axio^ hej^med, therefore God /la 'IfendthcKifironadeluficn that they may h^ leeueltet-f thattheymay beedamnedwhichheleetiednot the truth, lint tookfple^ifure tri vnrighteouffjejje. Vout friend ol^ood Intelligence and indgcment,thatr^(?i»^^//V very expedreat that you (liouid take in hand the confutation of M. Perkj»s [)ookc, fpake thereof haply as C',you takcal vpon his word jiHic fay it,you wililweareit: ifhe haue once written it, you vvUiwritcitagaiuc without any iurther examination whether it Preface to the Reader. ^ itbefriifforfalfe. Wc arc beholding to yoii for trnnflatino fo much ' oftiiin into En,:;Iif]i for their f.ilccs that doc not vndcrrtand i he La- j tin^ongiie.But Bellarmwe mockcdi and aluifcth you M. Bip3op, 2s he doilicucry oncthatgiucth hiinany rriili. Hcc wjs a man of I corrupt aii'3euill confcicncc, vvholiy proliitutcd lo Antic hi ift and ! fold to his deceits, by which mwns.hc makcth you toly many times when y ou do not thinkc yc lie. For which c;iii(c I would adujfc you when you will write any more bookcs out of BelUrmine to make ductriall of that which hcc faith. It may haply ^o^ you eood to make you detcll his fraud and falfhood, and to hate that nrotcf- fion which cannot be vpholdcn but by fuch mcancs.Thcrc 15 taufc youfhoiild fo doc, who From many large volumes can gather no better marrow, no founder pith, then that which you hauc Tent vs fon {txcmnrrow 4»dpith 0fmany Urgevolumes. Your marrow is but du)^, yourpit^iis but rottcncffc : there is nothingin your bookc fittofatisficthc confcicnccofaman dv.'firous to bee iuftrU(5lcd in thetiuth. It will! hope fuflfiwicntlieappcarc, that you hauc neither grounds from the word of God, nor any approoucd rcftimony of antiquicie, to warrant any man to embrace that which you main- taine.[ic that rcadeath your booke as it becomcih a good Chrirtian to doc, and confcrreth it with M. /"ifr/dw/ booke and our defence thereof, co iudge without partially, I prefume he will take you for aleud and naughtic man, impudent and vnfhamcfart, reoarding onclytovpholda (\dQ, whithout any entire regard to Icarne or to teach the truth. In your ;>i?/?/c-r/p/ you tell vs that you arc foric ^. Ptrkl"^ being dead, that your booke commcth fgrth toolate to doe him any good. Whereby wcconcciue, that you haue a good opini- lonofit. But wee muft tell you as touching doing him good in your ifenfc, he was not a man fo weake as to hce moued with fuch a toy. Indeed if hee had liued, wee need not doubt bur it would haue done him much good, and btenc great ioy to hitr, ro fee that in the w^rr- rrr«4^/«f will become your 'ownc poifon^and the bane of that which you thought tolkcngthcn thereby. B 2 M. BI- M, BISHOPS ANSWER TO MASTER PERKINS Uj'S E? ISILE 'T)EDJC^70R1E. ■ ■; MAdcr Perkins i»his Epifi/e Dedtcatoriefatth^lz is a policy of the diueljto think that our religion & the rcligiooffhe prc- rcntchurchofRom,irealoncinrub(kncc5orthatthcyn"iaybev-; Y\'\Kc<\,Bcfore I am to delmer my opinion concerning thlsfointjhadneeti to b: informed what this Author meatieth by thefe irords ouv Rcl igion i for there bsetKcr great difi^rfitissofpretended Religions currant in the ■ reorU all contrary to the Church of Rome ^ howca.n I certArnlie knowe, 'i n-hetker ofihtm he profcjjet h ? Wherefore ygoodfir) may itp/ea,'eyou tt. d(cUre xvh^t religion yoiiVndcrfiandvi>henyon f(^y our Rchgion ? hit w that which Mirtin Luther (a ItcentioHs Frter)firfi preached in GeK j maniei'or rather that which the martiallmintfhr ZuingJ ius contended r^ithfn'oydandfhield tofet vp in Zxvitz.erland ? or perhaps thai n'hich. John Cii'uin byfediiion wrought intoGenetti^expelling thelu^xfulmd''' gijirate thence, and by the aide of Beza {a dijfoiHte turnecoate) fpread I intom/iMy corners of France f Or if by your Reltgionyou meane onely to co:-^prehendthe Re.'igion nsrv pralhfedin England, yet areyoa farther top^e(V, nheiheryofiZ/>sder/}andthateJ}ablt/hedby the Starc^ or the o. thermore refined {as itU thought by many) andembracedby them wha are called Pmita.is^for of their leapunfauometh that po(ition ofyours^- That thcavtclc of Chrifls defcent into hcl crept into the Creed by Jicgligcnce,'i«<^/^wf other ftich like in this book^ The e principa/l difti- fio.yjsofihenetv Gofpell\to omit fptidry jubd'Piifons) beeinq^ famous, ani i receiued ofdimrs i» EngUnd according to each mans fantafieM is meet ' yoH exprcJJ'e tvhsther ofthemyoafpeaf^sf, that tt m.'y be duly confiderei < how the liomane Reli\\ton andit agree J and what vnion may bee made i bettveenethem Now ifyoiimeanethe hotchpotch dttd confnfion of all i thffe net» Religions together, Oi by the oppofiuo't here vnio the Church « of Rome, and by the articles following may begathered.thcn I am clears \ foryouinthisjhatthereca^benomoreconco-dbstweenthefe twoRelt* ■ giotu then there is between light andd^rhnes^dth andtnfiddtiy ^ Chrtfi li itndBeUal. Notwithffnndmg^ I thmkethat the reafon by yon produced i t9,proH6 the tmi^oUibUity ofthn vnion^is of no valm, 19 wit^hu they of the to M. Per km "Eftflle Dedicatory. y thcllomarichii rch liauc* razed the foiiJatio, fur though in word* they honor Chrid.yct m deed they turn hini inro a PfcLiJo-Chn (t, andaiildc^Ii of their ovviKbr.iiiic. yi verie .ufjicicut caMfe(nodo»bt\ of eternal! breach aftddittifion^ifti c^ulA be verified But ho)vpyouejoH^ that xveRomafje Cathahi^s, who bcleeue le,w Chri/lio bee per fell God andperfefi Kftitn, nKdtheonr/y ReAeewerofmanhindy mul^himo that to attrtbi4te poirer vnto one that is vnder B.\ Chrifi S Difference ofopmtom Chrijijo hin^ our ci>njciences>is not to wakj Chrifta Pfeiido- Chrtft.hui \ to glorify him, much acknovfledgifi^ thefa^er rehich it hath plea fed him togifievno men. In Itke manner y>vhat an abftird illation is that^frcm the porver to open avdfhHt heanen gates (which all, both Catholtkes cr Pro- •■ teflants confe(j'e to haue hingiuen to S. Peter and the reft of the Apofilet\ tainferre, thfitCbrifl ismadea Pfeudo-Chrifl ^ a^s who jhoald (ay^the vtafierfpoiled himfelfe ofhis fupreame amhorttj by appointing a (feirard oner his honpjold, or a porter at his gates : hee m^J} bee both mxfier and i man to, belike. And thH4 mnch ofthefirfi itt(iance . R. Abbot. S Wee may well thinkc that A4. Btfhop did not well cnioy his wits, that would write a b6okr,anduot know whatitis whereof he wri- CnHjfAHtieHf: teth. He hath written a wliolc booke, fuch a one as it is, purpofelic Cr-raLfe/j.u.^^ agaiiilt our religion, zndyct will fccme herein chc beginning not lo j xit,affiul:t,dog. knowwhdt onr religion is. Butheckoowethit well enough, end al- mitr^uit a-^; the ^rlemmZum- rcligiou of Popc tZltffl thctcnth, that held all the faith ofChrift to , rnuncmapecca- be but 3 fabic. VVhcthcr ii bcc thc rcligiott of theCounccll of*^ CoH- 1 d1'£1'!,SL. ftancc,maintainingthe Councell to beaboue the Pope; or thcreli- ■ r^ucuyii, rt;««d gipnofthe Councell ofBaiill, decreeing the Pope to bee aboue the • ebxui'"'"^ " Councell. Whether it be the religion ofthcm'' that hold the virgin i Alary tohaucbecne concciued without origioall finnc, or of' them that hold her to hauc becne concciued in fionc. Whethci i " iti m the church of Rome. o it hcc the religion of7'i6(f»7.wy^^f//>/4/, thatholdctli 'that a clopp,c •■r/;tfW^Y;wV: or afwinccating the Sacraiiicncdoihcactlicvcric bodyofchiifl ;p j'»-8o-»»f- ji orthercli};ion of the *Maflcr of the fcntcnccs, v\ ho cannot ceil 'Sf>,t j^.dtfl.ii. vvhacthedogrceatctli ^ortlie religion of them that fay, as ey^-*'"^''/"/'''*- ^«/«.*f rcpoiccth, that fo foonc as tliCdoggc or t lie m: life touchcth thcSncntucnr, rtraightwaics the body ot Chiift is taken Ap into heaucn. Whether icbeeilic religion oV' Pt^him inti CatharinM, who hold origin;iU finne to be a mcere priuation : or the religion o^ caiforJiZ^l DontinicHi a Soto^\sho iiolcicih it as his fcUowes do,to be a pofuiuc catih!n>j:r'eiaff/t corrijpcioi). VVhcthcritbce thercligionof the'Diuincs ot G Icin, /^J"/" who with'' PtghiHfhokl, thatuxareinltificdby thcimputc'rl righ- ^<^o'o>u>t^nti. teoufiicfr- ofchrift 3S the ProtcftantSj or oi the reft that hold that \!righ.dcfdt vvcc are :u(hti.°d by a fonnail inherent righteoufnelTe of our owne, &*"!''[•. Whether it be the religion of 'Oyor<«i, condemning thcdod^tineof io/ir.«'c//,j'?, 4S'.W/(/?/»-8. reliqinn oftlicIcfuits,maintainin2°that amai'ivvhois no Chriflian * ^f^^"/^' /"• un jin. ir-tn Lr> c,rd..idC/cmfit. may bee rope, and that Itewcs arcaslavsruiiat Komeas tncPope ^jag.i^. hinifelfc :orchcrclinionofthc Seculars, that condemne thcfc for wicked and falfc pofitions. Whether it be ihc religion o^ ^ Dureuj jjf^i"""'"!'^'* thelcfuite, defending that the Church may make a bookc canoni- call Scripture, which from the beginning was not fo.-or the religion of'' /:/'/i^r.j£/f««, 3( filming that the Chiuchhath no iuch authoririe. I iDighc Icid him nlong through 5tf//<^irw/«r/ controucrnes, and ■i^-Jradde. fliew how he allcijgcth two, three, foure,and fonictimfsmoreopi-''T^'^"''^"*''''' nionsamongft fhcm of ;undry points ofcheir religion,andin cuery of them I might q'jcdion, whether or which we fli all take to be the religion of ihc Church of Rome? Nowifhecwillanfwcr, tbacmcn nisyhauc priuatc opinion; and followers thcrci/i, which yet may not b*- vrgcd as preiiidiciali to the currant and commonly recciucd do<^rincofthc(Lhurch,in which fort their' Thomi(i,andScotifts, '.^'^^nf. dtCa* andOccamilh haue been diuided one from another in the bofomc ■'I'JI ^'^'^' '*'* of thv'-ir Chuc.ch/.hcn let that litilc difctction that hee hath fcruc hiin agiirifi another time to vndcrftand, that it is no prciudicc to our religion thattncrcisinfome matters fomc diuerfity of opinions a- aioijgft vsjcr that foaic men be exorbitant from that whicii is com. nionly lo Ohie&iom dgAmJi Luther, rnonly amongfl vs.approuecl for the truth. There is anvniuerfalitie or dodrinc with them, for which men arc cftrcmed of their religi- on, in the particulars whereof not withftanding the re are many dif- ference?, for which they will not be thougjjt to bcc one ot one n li- gion and anothf r ofanother. What infinite varic lie of obferuition and difc-ipliiie is there found amonoflt;'icirFiicrsandMonkcs,ar,d yetthcy take them tobceallofone rcligiofl ? There was of old a iiiifbhijl.hb. great diflenfion betwixt ^ Ftf/)rrc doth lo, bee can- nottell.AHtlic mat crofthndtfoJutefies'i^^thit being vndcrtwcn- tyyccrcsoM,or ahtlc abouejic wrotcabookc ofEpigrammes, \n ■ which by jmit'aiion of C<««.7/« and OhiJ, h* cxprcflcdfomc things moic IpJt.DediCat, 1 2 OhieHions againft Luther^ irtoreliccntiounyiinc] wantonliethcn was he. The writing thereof hee afterwarcis when God had called him to the knowledge of his truth ^icpeiitcdmiich ; and when hcc was requeued that the fame migSc be rcpriRtedjdtnicdit vttcilie,and wiir.c-d the renrmbiaitcc thereof to bee wholiy buried. In bis conuerfation otherwifc hcc was neuer to bee touched with any blemi(hoFth3t!if.'hrneirCj which in , thofe pocticall cxercifcs hce madeJhcw of. A' d is not this a great matter, that thefe me*n obic61 b ofien to his dilgrace f Surely if the Hues of fundrie of the ancient Fathers were looked into with fudi eies;btibre-thcy were come to Chrifijihcre would bee found worlc maitcrs to vpbraid them wich, cuen by their owne confcfTioo,theii ihiii 15.5. An^in wiienthe Donatillsdealc with him, as A-I. Bifhop and hisfcllowes do with Bsza^gma anfwcre to thun thus ; f Looke. how much they hlame my faulty fo much doe I commend and fraife my^ Phjjiuon. To which cfte<5t, 1 haue heard that -5f«.;i bimfelf anfwc- redone astouchingthat calucnniation : Hie homo iftuide t mthi grn» tUm Chri/lfj Thumane-emiethmethegraceofChrtft. 5iJrely, that fbould haue been no fault, though it had becne much greater, if Kec had continued one of them. But what would they haue faid, \^Bez4 had done as ihannesa Cafuheit Archbifhop of Beneuentum did, who wrote an Italian pocme in commendation of Ssdom'ie, and printed it at /^»/fftf,profefIing himfelf to be delighted with that hor- rible filth inefl'c, and that he knew novcneric but that : or as ^ Pope ^.exOrat.Htnr. ^^^^/^f chefourth. who built a 5tewesac Rome for the excrcife of that vnraturai and monlirousluH? How many luchnlthiedogges src there found amongfi the Rcmane Sages, who yet with th^ra muft go for facred and holy Fathers, whiicft 5^*4 for a few verfes written when hcc was yet but a boy, muftbcefiibieit to their rc- prochfull malice all his life, yea and afttr his death alib.^ But the thing that troubleth Ai. Bifhopindccd is, that ^?*<« became a rw»- coate, for that lie caft off the liuerie of Antichri{i.thc badge & cog- nifanceofthe man of finne, and bej^oke hiiiifclfc to the profef- fionandfcrulceoflefusChrift. Well and happicweie it for him, if hchadturnedhiscoateinthc like fort, ifhchadput on the gar- ment of ChriflcriTcified 5 which though it might fecmcbafc in the eics ofihcproudharlotofRonje,yet(hould make him glorious in theeiesofGod,andyeeldhim acceptation before him. Now the Articles of our Religion fet downcby M, Perkins, he calleth tht hoteh- flAugnJl.coHtr: tunicunqiteiUe actufat tittum mettm, tantum ego laudamidi' cum meimi: Julio 3. ^\bii.inSixt. hotchpoch ofailthifenew religtons j bccaufc he well knowcth thac wc on all fides agree iti tlic maintenance ofthcfc ArticlcSjand ther- forcarc indeed but one religion. Whereby the Reader may cafily concciiiCjhow ijleliisobicdlion is of diii.fi. ns and fubdiuifions. Buto/thi$/7^/ff/?^7e Ghurch huHC raz.edthtfounintioH^4Hd thomh m voordi they horjour Chrifi^yet indeed do ium himinto a Pfeudo Chrtfl And An Idol of their oten brAin* Agiiirt this reafon /I/, ^//i^?/) aKcdgsrh chc explication that ^7/, Perkins V[\\\i^t\\ of his Reformed Cnholike^io be any one that holds the f^ime ntce^Ary headr ofReligionvfiththe Romnne Church: wher- to is added by M. /'^r/^/W, which M. 'St/hop omincth: Tetfo, as he fAreso^4ni rcieth allerrors indo^rtnCywherchythe fame religion is corrupted.Hcvcupon A& faring de- liciouflyeuericday: befpangledwithgold,and bcfparkled with Jewels, and caricd about like an Idoll vpon the flioulJers of men, hauingEmpcrourSjand Kings, and Princes to attend hirr^to hold his ftirrop,to powre him water, to kille his foote, and all at tiis de- uotion,citheito fet them vp, or to pul them dowric ; yeahauing power ouer heauen, and earth, and pur^atorie, ('the only fpiteis, that hee hath no power to keepchimfelfc from hell) and that hee iliouidmakclawcs,andgiucdilpfnfationsagainflGodslawcs,and like Chrift in effe^ no Chrijl. I j- likca Lord cfmifrulc.turnc all things vpllJe (iowne. O wh.u a goodly matter had it becn,tha t Chrill (hould hauc ma Jcal his fcr- uantshkc Popes here ill • he world, and all other people valTals &: tributaries vnto thcrpj'what a golden world would that haue been , and bow much would it h<^uc renowned the bounty of Chiilt i VVclljM. ^/yZ>!?/>,wewi(liyou to conlider throughly of the matter; we cannot fee in thcGofpcllj but that you may as well ukc Vpoii you to be a Pope as he that is Pope, & you may as Itoutly allcdge for your fclfr, that vour Popcdomc doth highly recommend the bounryotChrirt. Butitfccmcth to vs, that you do too much a- bridgcthePopcsvfing of hisficulticSjwhcn you mention thccm- ploying ofrhem oncly in Chrillsfcruice, & to his honor and glo- rie. LcrhimjM.5//2>«i/>,t]rn fcruchimfclfc, let hi ni enlarge 5. Peters patrimonic,andaduancctheglorieofhisowncfeatc;lct him pro- claniclu'iilcesand Pardons,rhat he may gather gold and treafure; let him claw tliem that claw him, & vvreake his anger vpon them that refift him : as for Chrill: he \^ but a poorc man, let him attend for the reuci fion,a little wil fcrue him Thisdeuiceof the.rs is who!- lietobcedcrided rtheirwords arc the words of Ihamelcire hypo- crites, not bluHiing to auouch the bouty ofChril} in an authority, which though there were from time to time after fiue or lixc hun- dred yeercs diucrs degrees and fteppesvntoit, yetin thatfo'rt, as they nowdcfend t, wasnotknownein the world for the fpace of eight or nine hundred yeercs after theti me ofchril}: which hath no warrant of the Gofpcll of ChriO,norfauorcth at all of the king- dome of Chrift: which theancicnt Fathers ncuer dreamed of,and could nothaucgone without motlillurtrious&clccrctcrtimony' & vvitncircamongfl the,if eucr \i had been prac^ifcd in their times. Let them in allantiquiticparallcll the Pope, and weuillncuer o- pen mouth f urthcr to fpeakcagainft (hem: but becaufe they can- notfo '^o, let them confcllcthemfelues to be f'aife wretches, and him tobca Plcudochril}, a falfe and counterfeit ChriO, in truth veric Antichrifthimfclfe, whobyhypocrifie hath intruded Wwa- fclfctoritinthepIaccofJcfusChrifi. ButM.^//^optcllcth vs,that their Vicar cannot chAnaeany one of Gods Comm^>tdements,nor ^(ide 4nj contrary vnto them. Where wee fee, that the Pope apparantlic doth that which they are afliamed to defend. They well knowc thaihcfcttcthnothingatalibythclawcs of God, and that whilffc he 1 6 The church of Rome maketh tic taketh vpon lum to b; the expounder ibcrcofj he maketh whai meaning he lift thcreofjand thereby giucthhimfclfc liberty to doe what he iif^.and yet tofay,hc doth nothing againl^ the law of God Ithsth bcncholdenforarulc amonp thim, as Bodin mcuixoncth^ k DylinJcre- k rp}j^^ jj^g j^ f^Cg e>iomh w$th God , Tvho hy the Pete ii freed fr/ Go<3. Thushaue they told vs , and according to that they niaxirnodtninii y^^ j.(^],j ^.g jj^.y \^^^^ prdt^ifed, that ^the Pope ahouelaw caKdip. le^lbui j»:utus / t ' r I /r rl • l l \ r r n (tt,iitM apud deu fenfeofUiv by ihefulncfjs of his power', thut ^ heecandifpcnfe agamfi tmmouaUm fuiu ^^ ^pofile.u^air.fi the CuMoniofthe ApoRle,ar.dazAir(ithe otdTe- n mc.re._u\i, JTament \ rhat " itmij xvell be maintninedthathe dothdtfpeKje (:^ai»Ji. \?con"f^^ri' *^^ yip^ftle Shall we not thinkc that hec chsngcth and "rhw.ir.eth bendx/.i.Vfopa- thc coiTimandcment ol Chriii , who with zNon ohfiante taketh t^£S!£^po. thataway which Chrirt hath faide, BrmkeyccRofthis : " Thi^ '^ot. tefiattsdeiuiepof w'tthftandtHg the Chutch doth thus and thus f Do. h not he conrra- ^!fpZtfJr'ey'*' rJc Gods conimandement, who requirtih of vs to worfhip l.dols mibtdtngiojfa, and liTiagcs , whcH God hath forbidden fo to doe ? When God cZntlifljioiu., bath charged fubicils ro be obedient to their princes and Gouer- &comracano- nourSjdothhc notcroircthecommandemcntofGod, who taketh cZtrlvcmTe. vpon him to difoenfe with them ^ for oathes of allegiance , and fiamentum. gjucth thcd) li^eiicc to rcbcllf Doth not hcc makc the law of God damm7Lff.{itu of n9cfFc61:,who giucth licence of marriagcin thofc degrees of af- potefttuftiwri finity and bloudjin which God hadi fbi bidf^cn any marriaoe to be VilojmdUfpm- accounted lavvfuHjas was here done in Enghind co king Henry the ^c ir-fi c'ght for the marriage of his brothers wife, and toPht/tp the late ntnf.feff.xi. ' kingofSpain;forthcinarfi3geof hisowne fiflfrs daughter? Many Hn non^obftante. fuch Other mattcFS atc there wherein this Vicar of Rome grofly ritatem^(^ ibid, and palpably bcndetb himfclfc aga'i; ft God , andyet thefehypo- ^'■iHs. critcs are lo impud«f(r is bound as touching the things thcmfeluej wherein wc are to flicw our fubiciflion to the higher potvert. Lawcs •rcfaydto^W/^f tf(7;;/("/wctf,whcntheytietheconrcicncc to the thingslfcemfclues which they comniand,as to bcepcrfwaded of a religious and ncceflaric ducic and feruice therein immediatly per- formed vntoGodj the tranfgreflTing whereof CO bee a finne againrt God,not oncly mediately b^' not yetldingfubicdlion to the Law- giiicr,but immediatclVjinthe very thing it felfe, which it hath done orlcft vndonc-Itis thcprcrogatiucof God oncly to tie the con^ rcienceinthisfort,and whofocucr dfc takcihvpon him thus to !doc,heeis anvfurpcr againft God. And thus doth thePopcbind 'mens confcienccs;he makcth his lawcs matters of religion, and of itheworfliipofGod, and will haue men bclccue, that in the very doing ofthe things which he commandeth.thcyimmediatlyplcafc IGod,meritatthchandsofGod,makc(atiffj6tiontohim for their jfinnesandpurcliafceternall life. On the other fide , that in the Ittcfpalfe thcreof,not onely in refpef^ of difobcdience to the higher powers,but for the very not doing of the things themfclues, there isfinnc agairirt God,a breach and wound of confciencc , and the guilt of euerlafling death«Thisisone fpcciall matter for which we jiuftlydetc(Hh3tRominildol,anddo chalcnge him, notonely for jyfmw^r^r^ff 7Vw/>/Iyaccufed for tiru- ftingChriftout ofhisplacc,by requiring obedience vppon con^ fcicnce ofthe thuigsthemfelues which hcc commandeth. As for the opening and (hutrfbg ofheaucn, Wcc doubc nocbutthar the Pope* J Chriflineffe^noCktJl. X^ ,Popc,ifhebc the minilicrofChrill,may challenge the officcand lfun(5tion thcreor,accordmg to the tenor of the commi[lion whcr- with Chrift hath left it to liis Church. But he not contented with that authoriry which Chri It hath left indifferentlyto the niiniftry of the Churchjimmcdiatly from Chnft himfclfc dcriued in com- mon to the u hole body ofthe Church, vfurpcthvnto himfcJfc a fmgularity in this bchaTe, making himfclfe in Chrifts (iecd the head from whence the power ot binding and loofing is deriucd to all the red, and in that rcfped athisownepleafurc rcferuing to himklfc a prcrogatiuc of (peciall cafes and caufes, which are nioft for his aduantage, wherein no man may meddle but himfclfc. It is tructhac the maftcr by appointing a fteward oucr his houihoid or jS porter at his gaces, doth not diucit himfelfc of his fupreame au- fhority; but f.th it is die pecuhar honour ofthe Lord to glue that ^ower, & to determine thcoffice^ an J places of his feruaiitSjfure- iy he who being left but a \\.c\\ ard of a houfcjWilhft vp himfcjfe to X" a Lieutenant gcncrafjofa Rcalme, and of a Porter wijl make ^nmfelfc a Potentate, and rake vpon him to be cuen as the Lord iimfe]f,hc is to be taken for no other but a Traitor to his Lord,& hereforc is by his fellow feruants to be rcfifted in his courfe.This s the Popes cafe. Hee had the kcies ofheauencommitred vnto lim in coaion with his fellow feruants, to euery man for his part ind portion ofthe Lords houfe : and to the great diQurbancc and liforder of the houfe,he hath challenged vnto himfclfc the foue- aignty and Lordlhip ofthe whole.He hath made himfelfe marter !)f the Church,and all thereff feruants vnto him. By this cxtraua- rantandcxorbitantpowcrhehandleth all thingsas he li(l, and [bufcrh rhckeies to Hint them outof heaucn,fofarreashce can, k'ho in the bchalfcoftheirmaftcrdoefeelce to hinder his wicked ind vngodly proceedings. Whatthen (lull we adiudge him, but Traitor to his Lord and mafler Icfus Chri{l,vfurping that which >propcrtoChri(laIone?Inaword, Al Btfhop mud vnderfland, hat though the Popcdome were drowned in Tiber,and Babylon Kerecaftasa milftonc into the Sea, vet Chrirtnecdeth not to jcmafterandman too, biitwithout tiic Pope, hath feruants c- aow to attend him in his fcruice. I C 2 VV. B I- ■jo The church of Bmemaketh W. Bishop. Comewemvftothefecond: ItM^thatwentakeChrtf^an Jdoll^ for alhett xvecallhim aSamoUYy yet in vs, /» that heegiaes his qracetovs^ , t^h at hy am merits we may be our ovone ^amours, (jrc I inarHtll,tn tfh9r0\ he^ould be a fHUiour tf not in vs: What^ is he the SanioHr of Angels sr of any other creatures ? / hope not^ but the mtjchiefe isj that heegiuts grace to vs, that thereby vee may merit & fo become our oxvi^e famours, , 7 his is a pharfe vnheard of among Catholtkesjhat any man is hu ovene fauiour^ neither doth ft fgi^otP ofthatpofaen, that good workes are me» ritoriota ; but xv ell th at vre apply vnto vs thefaluation, tvhich is in Chrifi Jefuijby goodivorkes \ as the Protefiantsauouch they do by faith onely i In which f€n{e the Apofile^, P^ul faith to his de ere Dtjci^le Timo* 1 Tmi.f ^^j^^ p.^^ ^j^^^ doing thou flialt fauc both thy felfe, and them that ! hcarc thcc. And this doth no mori dimmipj the gloty of our Sout. YAtgne Sauiouys infinite merit s^then tofiy that we arefauedby faith tf »- hfgood ivories no leffe dependi'-:ajf not more aduancitJg ChrtftsmerttSt then only faith J as fJjaUbeeprouedhgreafterr/tore at large in the ejue- fiion of merits. Noxv that other good mens ruerits m^tyfteedthem^ vchai, i want fame of their ovpneynay be deduced out of an hundred places ofthi ,t Scriptures J namely out ofthofe where Godfaith, That for the fakeof one of his true fcruants, he will (licw mcrcie to thoufands, as is ext', prejlyfaide in the endofthefrfi commandement. In fil^s manner I avf(ver vnto your third inflance, that for Chrifi t» haue taken a)f ay by hisb'/ejfed Paffton the et email paine due znto onr finnes^andtohaue leftatemporallto bee fat is fed by vs,i^ not to make bimfelfeafalfe Chrift^ but amofllouing, kind, andwtthallamcftpm'' dent Redeemer^ xvtpingaway that byhimfetfe^ nhtch p^Jfcd our forces^ and referuing that to vs^ tvhich by the he/pe of bis grace ^ wee well may and ought to do : not onely becauje it vperevnfeemelj, that the parts of the body, [hould be dtfproportioMab/e to the head : but alfo becaufe it is reafonable (as the ApoJ}leholdeih,)thatvic [nffahccre with Chiift Rom.8, before wc raigne with him ia his kirgdome. In your laf i»ff anceyou fay J that nee make Chrtfl our mediator of inter cefflon to God, thinking out of J our (tmplicity, that therein wee much magnife htm, and fug O fauna vnto htm. Whereas we hold it for ho fmalldifparagement vnto his dtutne dignity, to make him our Intercejfor^ thatis^ toprayhim to fray for vt, whoisofhimfelfe^ right able to helpevs in allivee candt' mand'j Chrifl in effcB m Ckijl, 2 I maund\heing at well God, as 'J^ian. And Albeit one in thought [tnghng tutthehum>imtjofChrtflfromhii dmine'ytaturc and per/on^ mtgh^ mak'ttaninttrcejforforvs^Tetthat Seeing But a Afetafhyfjcall con' ce4pttofefayatcthenatmefromtheper(oH',fifice the k'inn herefie I (which held Chrtfi to be inferior to hi^ Father) it hath not beeneprafli- \ fedby Catholikff^nho ahvaies pray our Satii our Chrifl to hiue mereie \vpon vs.neuer to p^aj for vs Andconfequently make htm no mediator ' fiftnterceJfion,b(*t of redemption. R. Abbot. The fcconj inUancegiuen by /^. Ptfr/^/wj-, toproucthatthc CiiiirchofRonKr iii?keth Cluiftbuccuenasanldolf giuing him a i^aiDcwithouctliclubrtanceandclFed thereof, is this, that they call l.ini a SauioHr j:\nd yet make liim a Sauioitr oT\t\y in vs and by v$,iiotmh'mrcl!conmmediatIy by himfclfc. For this is a!l that they at' ril)iicc vnto him,th h lie putteth vs in cafe and Hate, to faue our Iclues, ^id to become our ownc Sauiours. The meaning of thein'hnce beino plaitie, M Bi(hops qiieftion is very idle,r/« nhom hi [hoti'd be a Sauiour if not invt. He fhould be a Sattiou in himfelfc,andbythatlhathed6thhimfcire,andnotin vs,orby that that vvc doc foroijifclucs. Buttp the matter, hetclleth vs> that \iu aphrafevhheard of among Caiboltkes, that any man is his owne/a» Mfour. Which wcconfrile as touching [he phrafe and word, but ycclyrlicirdo6^rinc they doc in truth make a man hisowneSa- uiour/If th''y Hiould lofay in words, they well know that alChii- ftjin earcs would abhorrc them, and many that now admire them, would fpit in their faces, and account them accurfcd and damnable hypocri:"S,whovmdfrprct«nccofdocing honour vnto Chri(}, do rob him ofhis honour^andhcrcauc him of the truth of that name wherein the Soueraigniy of hisglory doth confift : therefore they forbearc the words, though that which they teach is the fame in cflPedasifthcyfaidfo. Iris commonly knowne, that the eftedl is alwaiesacrrihutcd to that which is the immediate ar^ necrcft ef- ficient caufe. Wcfiy inPhilofOjdiy , Sot cr homo ne^erant hjmi- ntm^ThefHnyje aytdamandoebegeta 7»4«,bccaifc by the vegetation andinflucnccofchcSunneaiidncauenly po.vcrs itis deemed tliat a man haih power to beget a man. Yet wee knowthatthc Sunnc orthehcaucn is not called ihefathrrof the child, but oncly the C I man 21 The church ofl^omt maheth « man bywhomthcchildis begotten. .Jo is it therefore in the mat- ter that we haue here in hand^M.Btfhop faiih, that God * freely be^ fcft i,'"''^'" fhvfeth his grace vpon vs in Bapttfme,hptt all that arrtue to the y caret oftitfcret'tenmufl bythegoodvfe of the fame grace either merit Itfe^r for want of fuch fruit of it, fall int a the mtfer able Jiate of death, i God then giiieth vs, whereof to doe it, but wcour /elues ofthal'l which God giuechmuft effect and defcrue our owne faluation* Therefore Af, Bi^op againe coropareth the grace of God to a jjbid.rea.;. '^Farme, which thefatherbcftowtbvpon his Sonne, who of the commodities that arifc of the good vfage thereof, groweth to bee able to make a further purchase at hisfathers hands, ciien of any thing that hi» father will fct to falc.In which cafe the father cannot be faid to bee the purchafcr,or to make the purchafe for the fonnc, but the Sonne is the ptirchaferfor him felfe,t hough by that which his fathcrgauchim,ihrough the well ordering of it, hec became a- ble to ms Ice the purchafe.Seeing then that Chnrt doth onely giue vs that whereof we our fclucs are to raife merits to deferue and purchafe faluation,as they teach, it miift needs follow by their do- 6lrine,that Chriftis raadcthemore remote and antecedent caufc, butwc ourfclues arc properly and immtd^ately the true caufcsot our owne faiuation. Howfoeurr therefore they vfe not the phrafe, yet they teach the thing it felfcjthacChrift is not our Sauiour pro- perly, but we our felues by the good vfage of his gifcs,arc the Saui- ours of ourfclues. Which abfurdity^^. Btlhophw , that ftanding to their owne groundsjhc could by no meanesauoide, and there- fore is con tent with P/^^/«i(as it feemcthjfer 2 prefentrhifrjto re- tire into our harbour ; albeit I verily thinke, he vnuei ft^ndcih not him!'elfe,noicantell,whatmeaningt®m3keof thathc faith. The thing that followeth ofthe affertion ofrncritorirus works, he faith, is this jihat by goodrvor^n^ee appljivfito vs the fa/uaticft vphich u tn Chri^ Ieftis,as{(i\^hc)the ProteJiatttsaHouch theydoby fatihonelji. But heefhould here haue told vs,how his meaning is, ihaithis/^/- nation is in fhrtji. For if he mc3ne,(as commonly hedcth)that it is in Chriftjbccaufc God for Chrifts fake giueth vs grace whereby to merit and deferue our faluation,thcn he dalheth altogether, and mockethhisR6ader,asifhefhou!dfay,Jtfoli0wetb notof the po- fitionofmcritorious works, that wee arc our owne fauiours, but that wee apply vmo our fclues by good works, that yv'h'ercby we are chrijl in effe^ no Chrifi. 2 5 arc made o.w ownc fauiours. But ifhc mcanc.as the Piotcftants do» when they aiiouch, that by faith oncly weapply vntoourfcliici the faluacion whichisinChriil lefus, that is, that this faluation is en- tirely in the mcrjrs ofChrift, ddcruinn and pu/chafing the fame forvs, and that mccrely and imincdiatly for Chrifts fake God bc- iftoweth the fame vpon vs ; that wee do but oncly Hretch foonli the ihand ( jnd tiiat by his giftalfo ) to recciue that which f; ccly and of ibis mcerc mercy he giutth vnto vs, then his meritorious works arc , icome to nought, and hee be ftoacth a great dcalc-of labour in vainc •for the proofc thereof. Wee would gladly fee which way hcc will (hift. Surely if our good workejdo but apply vnto vs the faluatiou |which is in Chrift, then they canot be faid to mcric faluation them- jfelucs. Forthatthat applieth, dothnot worke the cff: d of that KA'hich it doth applie. 1 he hand thatapplieth the medicine, cannot Ibe faid it felfe to vvorkc the cureyfor ifit performe the cfF.i^i: fcife, |to what end doth it apply another thing for chc fame purpcfe ] But 1 if our wqrkcs doc merit (aluationthcmfcliics, then they doc more ithcnapply vnto vs the faluation which is in ChriH Icfusj and wcc jmult bee laid according to the abfurditic before mentioned, to bee thereby our ownc fauiours. Let the Reader wcllobferue, l)ow hee [^caleth away in a cloud of ambiguous words, which nocvvith- ftandmg howfocucr he expound, do workc inconuenience to him- Ifcife, But by hisowne words hegiuethanfwertothc place which he obic6leth of Paul, faying to T'tmothie^ that = yS doirtg^ hee (hould pothfaue himfelfe andihem that heard him ; that he did not meane, ' ''''^"""♦•'^•' i\\:!iX.'Ttmothj flioulddoe that forhimfdfc, by venue whereof hcc Piouldbefaued, but oftely that hee fhould apply vnto himfelfe the faluni* which isinChrift lefus. Hcc was lofanethemthat heard him, not by meritig their faluation forth^m, but by prcachiugvn- fothcm ''//^'f (7ray,thatihciraflcnion ofour tnfrirs doth »a more dimimjh the glory oft he merits ofChrt[i^the>i it doth t hat wee fay ^ th^tvie are faued by ftitbonel^i when as they leaue fomuch fi/f man to glory ofin himfelfe.hisairenting to grace, and woiking there- with by his owne free will, and his well vfing thereof to merit and deferuefaluationforhimfelfe;whenaswefay,that wee are faued nieerly by themerits of Chnft, and hat:e nothing in any fortto attribute to our felue5,and they fay,that wee are noc faued mecrcly by the merits of Chrift,but themeritsof Chiift do onely make vs c- ble by f(cc wi! to deferuc our owne faluatiof But ofthisfas he faith) we fhall hauc further occafioii to t'pe'-?ke in the quefiicn of mcrirs; Now here ^Ptfr/^/Wnoteih itfora/urtherabfurdi'.y of their do- &.i\m ofm:rits,tbat they doc not onclie make men their owne fa- •uioiirSjbutraakeonc man alfo the fauiour of another, whilcft that in the want ofour owne mcritSjWe may bee partakers in tfie merits ofthcSaints. /t/.^//^o/> being amanofa widcthioateto fv^Uou', andofaftron^, (iomacke to dige'.l without any trouble a 11 the fijth oft'heRomifliChurch^ftickethnotatthe matter, hut plainciy af- firmetb, ihatur^-'^^' coodmensmeritr wajfleedtherfi th.n rvamfoms of their owne-ySiiMiCihh^thAtii may be dedt^cedontof an hundred fLcet */i'cr//>f«ytfj\uhereasoftbat hundred there is not fo much as one that will yeeld him ground of any fiich dedu61"ion. For as for that which he allcdgcth out of the fiilf Commsndemeat , that God fhexveth mercy vnto thoufands in them t^M loi4e him^and keepe his com- ?»4«^rwc'«fj;howherhou!d draw mans merit from thence, where God ptofcfTethondy his mercie both ttjlrarJniu. ^fworkfs, to ihthcKcfitsthM heereceiuedojGod ',but was nccoHnted"t''^:'^°ty'*'iig' ]a>orthy thereof hj faith onely , The caiifc of all uas that v\ hicii Mofes %,'L '^mJmhil (•lid '.(? He loue'dihy faihiYS, therefore he chofe their fccde. And what, "";?""'"'''"/;:' K\'as itfortheir merits tliathcloued them? Whatmcntshad Ahra- o^^crumHi.muf* ^ ham, when God called him fiom^ ferMin^ other uurnc, that one mans merits may rtecd another, hccaufe thcfc had no merits to lleed rhemfclues,(>ur\\harfocuer 'hey were, they wc reef mercy, and ic ,vas oiuly mtrcie ulicrby God bound h mfclfc to Hiew mercy :o others For their fakes. And well we may wonder, but that thefc • ireinjpudentandniameleirenienithdtthcy fhot'ld darcfofarrc to iduai ccthr righteou(ncH"cofman,astomakchimabIc, n- tonly :o merit and defcruc at Gods hands for himfclfe.butairo for othcc men. Wherein their pcrucifnelfe and iniquity is fo much the grea- ter, fortb.ilthey attribute and yecld that to the fpotted& vnper- •edworkcsandrighteculhc{Tcofman,\vhich they wickedly deny :othciiiimacuIaieaiidmort pcrfci^ merits and rightcoufncirc of the l6 . The church of Rome mAketh the Sonne of God. For they hold itabfurd, that the righteoufnciTc and merits of Chrift fhould be impurcd and accounted vnto vs ; & yctthcy bluflip.ottofay, thataman mayhaue merits of his ownf, fufficicnt forhimfclfe, andanouerplusbefidetobcereckencd and imputed vnio others to fupply their want. The Popes difpenfarion canapply the merits of one man to another, but the faith of Chrift cannot apply to vs the merits of Chtift.Thc Scripture teacheth the imputation of Chrirts merits, andthatthcy deny : it denieth the imputing ofother mens merits, and that they affiime againft the Scripture. Which, befide that it teacheth an vnfurficiencic and im- pcrfe6lion in all the workes of men, and therefore bercaueth them pE«ech,i8.jo.' ofall power and ability of merit, dothalfo giuc vs to vnderftand, HRom.i4-i». jhai; ^ the righteoufnejj'e oft he righteous fhall hee vpon htrnfelfcj and therefore (hall not be rcckenect to another : that i eueneman fhall 1 4 ^^^g bHrtben, aud therefore Inall not haue his burthen borne by o- trertuUdepu thers: that the ''ji'//^z//'m«x haue no fuperfluitic of oylc which they dint.S^uaUe- may imfjartto them that want. ^ Who hath hy his death releaffd ano- "^UnTmfdJ'^ thermans death, faith TenullUn bm onely the Some of God? If than be HcifiUm ?rtm- a (tnner^ how Piould the oile of thy little camle heeJHJjicient both for thee TkZ'fZ'uVu4 a»^ niefUc fpake it truly in the propofition,though he mifapplicd jifffictre & tibi it to a wrong conclufion : and therefore Leo Bifhop of Rome faith rieoEptil%'\' in hkc fort, that " the iufl haue reCeiuedcrownesjhey haue giuen none ; ^ccepernnt • ^nd ofthe fortitude of the faithfull are grotvn examples ofp^itience^ not ITderuntcoranl ig^f^ of righteoufuclJe \neit her hath any manbj hisendpaiedthe debt of &dsfr-rtitudme another man J feeing it is only our Lord lefm Chrifi amongfi thefonnes nlufuntpaxien- ofmen^iHwhomallhaHe beene crucified.dead,bmiedyandratfedagaine,- tUynondonaM- parte was hcefrom that blafphcmous do6lrine, v^hichnow preuaf- ttriuiquifquam leth in thcChurchof Romc, thatfomc men haue merits and gifts deb,tr4mfu9fi>i4 ofrJehteoufnclTc, whereby to bee hdpefuU to other men, Butyct perfolutt.CU'M _ ^ C « n i I , l • t . i t ni r t - inter }iit»s homi. M. Btfijop tclleth VS, thatchey thatreceiuc this hdpc muft bee fuch niim-unusfo'.u^ ^^vcantbut fomc of their owne. For wee muft ynderftind belike, that Dominiis nojier • •' t i t r> • • lefuschn/im Leaiicn IS itierited by peece-meale. Some inctit ic quarter parr, txutnit,:n^iio gnJ fomc the one halfe, andfonic all, and fome more then all. By &c. which racanes itmuit come to pallc, that iome, who naue merits to keepc them from hell, and yet not enow to bring them io heauen, muft hangbctw'Jxt hcauen and hell, ynlcffe the Vicar of Rome drift in effect no Clirift. 2 7 iRomcwill doerhcmafauour, out oriiistrcafuric to endow them with the merits of feme of the SaintSj or fomc ofthc Simzs thcm- fciucs uil vndcrtake cut of their fuperfluitics to make vp that that isuairing vnto tiKm.ThisfccrcttlTc Diuiiics of R hemes vttcred, that * tfivee hat$c not our orvne merit s^ weePiAllnot bee hol^en-bj other wtf«j-d/f/'tfr/f<«//^r^4^o^/«i^^(rwf«/:Icauii"igittobcvndcrftocl,that '^'"'"■'"'ifiMn, 'iFwchauc merits of our ovvnCj wee may then lookc for thcfupply ij!T' thereof in otiVer mens merits Wretched hypocrites, impo(}ors,& dcluders of ignorant men. who ^ when all hMids (hall fettle (m Hie ^ y Huron in Efat rome (dhh)bec.:»fe no rvorke fhallifee found xvorthy of the infltce ofGed, '''* ^-^"pt*- _ ^/tnd no man lttii»g (halbe iu/itficd in thejight of God, yet make men be- -vefdolmt'tLnu Iccue.thatfomeflMlihauethatfupcrabundariCCofnchtcoufiieire'"^"^''"'^'!^-' ind merits,as that they Ihall be able to rclecuethcm that want mc- ra««.a,^«/.i ««/- rtsof thciroftnc.Js this thchonor thatthcy do toChrill/othruf} ^^y/ilf^^^^^"" lliim out of place when we haue greatcft need of him, and to make i-erutur&non |nientru(} to the imaginary merits offinfnll men ? A*nd what, ihair''-'''^'-^^''^''"'*^^''^ motChriftbeasready tiicn to iuccourvsas the Saints PorOiall his •rits bee foiind vnfuflhcient to deliuer vs ? or what lliould be the ^-ufeithiatwcflioldrhusbcputoueroneto be helped by another, father the by him that is thehelpcr and Sauiour of vs all^Biit this Isthehorriblcapoftafieand darjcncireofthe Romilli Synagogue, Ivhichhath made no end ofmultiplying her fornications, where- with (lice hath bewitched men, and made them to doatc vpou E range and monftrous fancies, and hidden from them the true nouledgrrofkfusChi'irtjby uhich they Oiouldbefaucd. As touching the third inffance,itlliall nothecrebe need tofay mucli. VVc arnrmc that they derogate fro the merit of Chridspaf- lonjand du make him but a Parii-Chri {f>in that rhey deny him to J lauc made a full and pcrfecft fatisfadion for our {ins,&: fay, thathc lath left vsip. parttofatisfiefor the fame. M. BifhopCikh, that in he rcferuingoftemporall fatisfad-ion, hehathlhcwed himfcjfc a mJfp'/iJeni redeemer; asifhisfoolilh braincs were themcafure of IhewifJomeofChrid, orthefdfe-willconceipts of carnail men ivcrc to determine the power and effect of the crolfc of Chrifl:, ^hriftis ' the Lanibe of Godthattaketha.x»aythefnne o//Af wor/^, ilobni.ap, indifhc/rt'^^'«M'^7ourtinnc5,rhcn they rcmaine not hyvs to be fa- :isficdfor. ThcforgiucnelTeofourfinsbyChrillis* thenotimpi*. ti,coi.yi9 ing ofourfinaej) but how are thcy«<»f iw^«;(rii,if fatisfadion there- of 2 8 '^ he church of Rome maketh of be required ?This falfehootlotthi^irs hce glofetli wicha truth. Wcmult be made'* //j^^ heuMen Chrtjt alone of them that haue beenepartakfrt pat>i'n:cgo ^>^o^o giaAf„a^tljf„tg^ce!Tionf9rvsMom\iz\\ that ^ if S. lohn fljotild fropcccattive. M ' ^ . >,^ r I r J fir, finu quis tuficut hme jatdjf any man (mne^ye haue me fur an adnocate xrtth the father ^ ^f*pi*l» chnjh J ^Jg intercefftof) for your (inneshefljould hane bene holden not for 4 tichiftumibfumDifci^leofChrt[F,b(4t rather for ytntichrift himfelfe% Thus hee doth mumtw^ notonely make Chiill our Mediatorofintcrcellion, but alfo the •oncly Chrljl in effect no Ckifi, 2 9 oncly Mediator of intcrccffun, and tiicrcfore condcmncth M' Bi{h9^o\ wicked facnUdg, that takcih away thispjrt of his office froRi him, to bcflow it vpon the Saints. Bur this praier and intcr- ccflTionChrift pciformcthnot novvby vocall words, .is in tlic time ofhis i umihatioiihcic vpon rhccatth, nciihcrdofh hcc infinitcljc I bufic hiinlclfc by renewing his petitions & fupphcations to the Fa- jtiicrwhrnvvcc call vpon him, biichii-intcrccfTion /or vs is his '<*/'-; jicb' 1 ; [fearing tn the fght ofGodjor Vs \ whereby as ^ the facrifice which hee^ Cypria».fcrM ( o^ereii vpon the crojj'c u no Ujje effc ClhaZ/yjotv, th:>i tt ivoi the d^iy when t^w^/^'^" ^ \vpaie>- ii'id hloud tjjficd out of his woftKdedJide, jiiHre^jHirttjff our falna- Tnmtl \tion astherervard ofhts ohedtence, cucn fo the voiceofhis interccf- ifion in die daies ot his flcfli, f^ili foiindcth aloud in the cares of God, dndby thcpowerthcrcofj both vvee our felucs, and all our praiers anj requcfts arc mod cffcd^u^Hy recommended to his mercy. Therefore wee doc nee his free gift s^ ofmeere grace befiowed om whom heepleafeth j rvhich ts no (malpraife of his great Uberalitie • AnA withallaffirme^ that there is art infinite difference betvoeene his otvnepO' rver^merit s, and fat is f action ^ and ours : w herein his Soueraigne honour is prefer ued entire to himfelfe withont any comparifon. Now you make Chrtjis authority fo bafe^his merits and fatitfa^ionfo meanc, that if he impart any degree of them vnto htsferuants^hee lofeththe honour of "^all from himfelfe. tVhereupon it folloiveth inutncibly^ tfyouvnfainedly (etke Clirift Icfu- his trui honour ^ and will efieeme of his dtuine gifts ^orihily^youmufl hold out no longer, butvniteyourfeluesintheje nc ^ce£'arie heads of Religion vnio the Caiholtke Church of Rome^ivhich \» highly exaliethhimibothtnhisowneexceHenctef and in his ftngular '^ifts to hisfubte^s. I R. Abbot, Heere/W. ^//2>tf/>tcIIefhvsagoo tofpeakewith himjanfwercdas With indignation, bW&in chnfii.iatiores ^ »*7 mother^ and rvho mre my brethren ? He that doth the rvtllofmy FaJ fMitalios^& nu- ffjgy^yfjicfj Pi i-aheaneH^h.^e is r»ji brother andfifter a»dtjjotber. ^ Aij ^cft'!ndi;%%ln"ilif^other and brethren are the fe which he are the word of God ar.d keeft fcdicit verbi. jf . d ffg mallet h thefe other of the greater worthy fa ith Tertalhan^ and MJd(^-.hh.\, fhewet h that the hearing of Gods word is a thing to hee preferred a bone ^J^^^^''".''^''«-beeing the mother and brethren of Chrilt. " Hee tranfferreth thi i'.ioi qitoi magii names ofkjndredto them, whomheeratheriudgeth to bemojlncerevn- proximoi fro fide jQfjffjj becadfc off^zith. whomheepttttcch inplacff of the other, not oi ttidicaret,vc. ,. i t ii ■ / i / / • r i i''tfy^''^g them to bee more happy ^ that doe heare the word of Goa. tZ!!^^Ci"'' "^^'^ happineire and heaucnly bounty Amnii i Rp'phan.hxr.n9^ hoHre is «o • jet come : He tiiereforc ' called her woman, that none mi^ht^ KoHputarent ali- thinke too htghlie oY the holy yirgm \ at prophecy mgwh^tt [hottldconU\ qui nupi extnft' ^^ ^^jp, ■„i(j^ ^,,^^^ ^y ^-^ff j and here fie s, that none a dmiring her (faithl %!gine>»',rm ''it- hc){hofildfall i»toth^ hercfic and the dotages thereof: fpcaking ihcrC rem earn tpfell.t' uir.ve'Mpiophe - i « . ,../,„ ■ r » - &. t^>!i ntufuutra. ej]cnt in terra. feUamm ts atoy ,4n(i an oldmues fil?le : an! askeih as wee do, \^lVhat ScrtptHTehnthUldvs anything hereof f And that wc may vn- \ ^^''^-^fl i'*'^'' iderftjndiiow Icualy Ai. l^iP^op bclieth antiquiue, inlaying, that &am(uLuum \^ntiqMitytearmedthe f'^trtin Afary, Our C-tdy and Qfteene exal-^''^*'"- i , / -^ ,, /■ ^ , I : X I n ^ — 1 ■■ ^^ Scripiurt \ted-aboi4e all ijHires of Angels ^ he rcalonctn thus againlt that neredc ; lUhtcnanauit. \^ fV/jtcft of the Pfopbetsh^th taught^ that aKyman is tohworfbtppedf \much life a woTn.in. And againe, " IfGodmllnothauethe Angels to ta^^prxc^fpu \bee wor/hipped, horv much more vctll bee net hiue the daughter of Anna l>o'»incmadora' \to t>etvor(htppcaf Ana againc, LetnomanrvorPttp Mary ; I fay ^ not a rem ^ woman, no not a man : tb^s my fiery belonaeth vnto God, the Anvtls re- " f ' •^»g'l'i cetut not any fuch glory . And againc, as touching the name of the ^uamoMMgit Queene ofbeauen. he ad deth, p Let not thefe reomen trouble the xporld : ''"'. l"fi">"* let themnotfay, weedo honour to the Queene of heauett. Weclee ho'w> ■ManamHemo .•larre EpiphaniM was from the conceipt of thofc fupcrftitiou^ ^^^ 'tuiur^'itno Icries, which M. Bt(hop here fo foicmncly difcourfcth vnto vs. We nt^uevimm, fee how the Church of Rome walkcth iuft in the path and ftcppc« SjJ^.tSrJj^ ofihcfc herctikcs, which were of old condemned by the Church. ^^geUcapmnt |Thcy argued,as A/. ^//Z'^jp here full fimplie doth, from the VBrigbt'fZ^^'"^""'' Vuleofcrookedreafon : fhe was hhbe(ibe/oued mother ^hee too(^efleP?of p Kcturb^mor.^ per, be fucked her breffs, furclic he would bcftow vpon her bts ^peciall ^n^w/'avJ- fauoures ; hee would without doubt doc more for her, then for w^^^'^w ftrangers, to whom he was not at all be hold ing : he w ould repler^tfh her With fuch grace a^ (hould make her fit for that place which hec nc- ^ergauchcr. Thclc are fantafticall prefumptionsof fillie doting women, and blind ignorantdohrels : they haue nofauour at all of fhe fpiriteofGod. They might vpon tbcfc grounds argue for the t)rethrcnandcofinsofChrift, andconcciuc, as the mother of I. rrnfit $i>ft dare ^anlliHcationvfOi^to be wadevfiorfhy ofhis ki^gdome. It was therefore : H4'»^>'^o» . an hcrcticiill deuice,to make her Queene ofheaHen: and it hath bene te-AHUcere difa- r \ r • r » • (~"n -i i jp«/«,,.2»«j«rw«nnceoneot inetorgcncsor Ant'cnrilt, to attribute vntohrra po- m^eraretujjit, wer and authority to command the Sonne of God. But M. Bifhop tcl- ; feUc^ folar/Upja . . . i • ■ in r i ^l l r i n lanHificatiomm leth vs, that foftf ti no dottrine ofthc Rontane Church, norfctind in all efedtgnam f^ ^ feYftice. xctknowcth wcIl Cfiouph, that this was the doiliine of fAStameJJi regno ' ^ ^, i ■ i V- ■ . n i r • »» iafm. the Romane Church, and commonly found m all her Icruicc. Har- lots that haue little fhame, yet blufh at fome things : and the harlot ofRomc though of an iron forehead, yet faw forae things to bee fo groffcJyblafpheiTiousandincxcufable, as that OncQ could not for fhame butremoouc them out of the Church, when queftion began to be made of them. .Juch was that praier concerning Thomas Bee» ketf which before I mentioned in the anfwer to the Epiftle : 7« ^er Thoma fanguinem qnempro te impendif, Fac nes Chrijiefcandere ejuh Thontiis afcendtt. That is; 'By the bloftd of Thomas which for thee he d.dfpend. Make vs^ O Chrift, to clime whither Thomas didafcende Which praier was found in all their portcflcs, though now it bc< taken out. So they were wont alfo very folcmnely to fing through- out the whole Church of Rome : ^lubefilio, foelix pnerpera lare matrix imper a Redemptori^&c, Bid thy Sonne y O hle^ed Mother, By mothers right commandour Redeemer. j^futSrM^r- "^^'^ Duraftsthc Icfuitacknowlcdgeth ^ex libru Ritmlibfu, ofit ^diibrc^Ri'tu' of their hool^esof rites andceremonies^y which their Church feruicc «/« ««%«, ex ^as direded. Yea M. Bifhop himfelfe v erie well knowcth, that the ^uadar^i words are not to bee denied, and therfore as UHrAm doth, fo doth tmadtsi heealfo make a fauourablc conftruflion thereof, that the Author of th^ pi aicr, deemed the Virgins prams to her Sonne, to bee as forcible in kindneffe^as if they were commandements,c^ tn that fen fc called them commandements, ThuszsM. Harding vndcr a colomoi ^ fpirituall fu/oftlfJ'f"ie-IP^''f*"i andda/ltance ; fo thcfe men vnder opsnion ofkjndnefe, doe la- gi.fm.3i. bour to bide open blafphcmic and fpirituall idolatrie. They fticke not X Htflor.ficuH' dtim ch,r»m commetnor; Chrtjlin effe^ no Chrtjl, 3 j. nottofpeakcapparantly cothc cicrogation of the Sonne oFGod, and then tiirnc ic to matter of icO, Iikchim ofwhom Solomon{^tz~ kcth, who ""f^intng htmfelfc mad, c.jflcth firebrands, arrowesand «P'**i^' «'.»*. deadly to0l€S, andthen faith, j^m not lirtfport ? Cut how ill their ifportingconrtiudionfittcthwith the humour of thofe times, let it -appcarc by anoth.rhymncot theirs, which will not bee fo anfvvc- rcd: * Gattdetifatrofja coeltca \exHltandomagniF.ca Dettm ttitimfalutarem qui te fecit (ingHlar em. THanciUant leju Cbriflt te vocare votuifii : Se^vt docet Ux dtftma^ tu ipflui es Domina. Namiwhabet ^ ratio y rt$atremprdejjefili9. Ergo oru fupplicit er c^ prxcipeffib/tmiter, Ft nos in mnndi vefpera ad regna ducat fuprema. That is to fay : Be gladO matron heanenlj/^and vfiih reioic'tyi^ maantfe 7hjf God, thy Sauior who thee hath fingled out in dignity. The handmaiden oflefm Chrtjl^ thyfeife to call thou rva^ content ; But thou his Lady mijlrejfe art* as teacheth Gods commandement. For right and reafon doih require^ the mother be aboue the Sonne : l*ray therefore as a fuppliantj and command m a higher one, Thatinthe endof this tporldsdaiet, He bring vstohis heauenly totes. , Hccre isthenr/^^randrtf/«/c>«, and Gods commandemeut to ap» ^roucand iurtifie,thatthe Virgin CMary as the Mother {\\om\<\ hauc power oucr her fonnc, and authority to command him. And to nootherpurpofefoundcth that which A-l. Btfhop acknowIed<'eth, as being yet in their vfc, '' Monjlrateejfematrem; Shewthyfelfeto be a mother. Hec faith it is not added, by commanding thyfonncj but y /«*rww. hec Qiould haue told vs how otherwife itfliould be meant ; bccaufc ^''^^'^''■fi"'* |wcc know not, nor can concciue in what meaning they {hould kqucft her to flicw her felfc to bee his mother, bur oiicly vpon opi- nion of fome motherly fuperioriiic, and authoritic to command* fiim. For as for that which he faith followcth in that place, Sumac bertepreces qui pro nobis natwtuliteJfetuWi Letbimby thee receiue vur praters yivho for vsyeelded to be thy fonne \ it giucth vsnolight at ^Iltothecontrarie, but that (hec fliould fh-w her motherly com- and, by caufing hino co accept the praicrs that arc made vnto D z him J r 1 6 The Church ofRdme mahih him;w'hichhc fccingjtranflatcth the words faifiy, Prefentour pYAi- ersvntohim, &c. And thus thecommon people were pcrfwadcd by themandrpccially women, that they hadbetter hope and rea- dicr acccffc to God,3nd more allured fafetie by our Lady,thenihcy hadby the5oDneofGod, Andno marucll, when they hf ted her vp i intothefeatcofChrittj and inuertcd her in their publike fcruice, i with all the tiilesof mercy and grace that arc proper vnto him. Now therefore, M. Bfjhop, there is caufe lufficieflt forvstofor- beare to bee reconciled to the Churchof Rome, which vndcr pre- tence of magnifying Chrift, hath put the Pope and the Virgin Ma- rie, and the reft of the Saints in the place of Cbrjft, an3 colourcth her Aniichnrtian prcfumptions,and vfurpations vndcr the feigned title ofthe gifts of Chrift. You deuife what you lift, and fill the Church with your abhominations, and v(e the name of ChriH as a c.'oakctocoueryourfijthincfleandlhamc. if they came naked in their owne likenefie, all men would detcft them, and detcft you for perfwadiog theni ; therefore it is the policie ofthe whore of Baby- lon to offer the "^ filthinejfe ofher forme Ations in the golden cu^ of the namcofChtift, that the glorie ofthe cup may bewitch them, not tofufpcilanypoifontobec contained therein. As for vs, wee e- fteeme»fthc power, merits and fansfadilion of Chrift, as hee him- (elfc hath taught vs to eftecmcjwe afluaic no patt or parcell thereof to our fellies, becaufe by theletters patents ofhij GofpcU we hauc no warrant loto doe. Beeaufc then wee vnTcignedly fecke the true honour of Icfus Chrift, and cannot brookc the difhonour that is done vncohim in the Church of Rome, vPider the counterfeit tcrme&oftiis^/ww|^//V/, wee make choice to hearken to the voice *Apcc,T8-4. ofGod, * Come OH' ofhrr^ ntypeo^le/indhenot^artaJzersofherJimes^ lefiye h partakers of h''r p/agttes. M.BISHOPS ANSWER TOM. PERKINS Preface to ihe Reader. VP on If our pre face to the Reader I mil noiftandy hecmfe it toucheth nopointofcontruHtrfie : let it he declared tn^opir next^ what you meane^ when you defu e your refonrcd Cathdikc to hold the fame nectdarie heads of Hii.yon with the Redman Church for tf the Ro- man Church dothtrrc- in the matter of fait h^ and iaJltpcAtion ; tnthe number Chrijl in effect no chriji. ^ -j MOnheYAnA venue of the Sacr^mems •, in the hookjs 4nd interpret 4t ton of the word of God ; if^je ruz^e the foundation, and wake Chri(l a P feu- do chftff, and tin idol ; to omit tiventie other errors m fubftantmlhoints cffatihj Oi tnthisyonr imxlldtfcourfe yon would perfvade: there mil \rem4ine vert^fexv neceffarie head/ of Religion for them to a^ree in. And he yottwellalJured, that you are fo xvide from winniy^g CathoLkes by ^thisyour vforke^to a better itl^r.g ofyourReUoyen, thatyouhaue taken \the hsgh-n>ayjo leadethemtoufarre greater dtfl.ke oftt ; by teachings ^ that info many mater tall points itdtfferethfo farre from theirs. For all Cat hollies hold for mo/i .Jfured, th.it ivhich themofianctent, learned laud holy Doctor Athaiialiiis <« h/s Creed deltuerethtn the z.verfe: 'Which Catholikc Faith vnlcllc cuerv man obfcrue wholly and in- julolably {not cmtitina, or /hrinki*>^ from any one ariicleoftt) without Idoubt he (liall perilhcucrlartingly. //S.Bafil that reuerend and %leffed Father of the Church.^ doth hold tt the duty ofeueriegood ChrU (iian, r. it her toloofehis life, then to condefcend to the alteration of any one fj liable in matter offatth : you may befurethat rve Catholikes can. lhtoi,i,.U(.caf, not but cary a very bafe^onceipt of your doElrine ; rvhogo about vnder '^' the ouer.xvorue andthreed-bare cloah of reformation^ to deface and torrupt the purer and greater partofChriflian Religion xfpecially when \iheyfhallperceiue the mo/l points of your pretended reformation^ to be \iothing elfe but old rotten condemned herejtes, nevf fcouredvp andfur^ ^uPtedt and fo /># (hes» made more faleable vnto the vnsl^lfuU^ as in thU trtatife ^adbe pronedtn euerie Chapter, I R. Ac DOT 170urdemaund,iW. ^//Z'tf/jjisalrcadic fatisficd before. M.Per'. iX i^w/by thofc neeejfarie heads of Religion ,vndcrRindcth Cuch general groundsasftandvnqucftioncd betwixt vs and the Romifh* Church , which for the matters handled hcc commonly fcttcth downc by the name of our confents in the cntring of eucry quc- (lion . There arc fomc maine points of dodlrinc to which the Church of Rome fubfcribeth as well as we. The Reformed Cacho • like IS ftijl to hold thofe, though hee depart from the corruptions indabhominations,to the maintenance whereofthc fame Church pfRomedorh wickedly mifapply them. Asforhis ip/tow^^^/C**- ^holtkes tothehkjngofour Religion, I atfurc myfelfethat you Af. /j^'tfp y our fclfc, and your friend of good intelligence and iudgc- D 3 mcnt, 3 8 The church of Rome maketh Chrijl in ejfeB noChriJi. ment, were iealous and doubtfull thereof. His plaine debaringof the points in qaeftion, laying open the abfurditic of Popcrie, and clearing the dodrineonourpart, from thofc lies and {launders wherewith in corners you labour to deprauc it, might fecme vcrie likely to drawe many to the knowledge and approbation of the truth. Itniculdfeemejthcrewas fome fore/or that both you and. your friend wcrefo careful to apply a plaiftcijbutyour plailler by the grace of God wil makeyourlbrc a great dcalc worfe,\vhen men. fhal further fee, how fmcercly he hath dealt to dcliucr truth our of the word of God and dodnneof the ancient Church , and what bafe geere you haue brought as the marrow and pith of many large-, volumes ^^0'[ thecontradid:ing and oppugning oi it. The more and greater the points are of difference betwixt the Church of Rome andvs,the more doth itconcernc your Catholikes, if they tender their owncfaluation to looke into them^ which if they doe, theyi will ceafe to thinkc bafely of our religion , and will begin to ho- nour it, and imbraccit as the truth of God . They will fee, thafc there is in it a true reformation indeed,* iuft departure from the : horrible idolatries and fuperftitions oftheRomifh Synagogue.and itfhallgrieuc them chat they haue fo long dilhonoured God, by. holding fellowHiip with him who hath no true fcllowlhip with le- fusChrift. That you thinke bafely thereof, M. Bifhopywcwondct not. Hethatdoatcth vpon a harlotjiswonttofcorneand thinkc bafely ofhonef} matrons. The Scribes and Pharrfc-es thought bafely of our Sauiour Chrift : no maruell ifyou doc the like of the Gofpell of Chriftjwho liue and thriue by traditions as they did. As (ox oldrottencondemnedherefies^ how filly a man you haueHievvcd yourfclfe in theobie<5Ving thereof, it hath appeared partly already *in the anrwercofyourEpiftle, and (ball appeare further, God wil- ling, in the anfwere of your booke, and wee will expedl hereaftetj that you learne more wit, then to babble and prate of hcrcfics^you know not your fcife what. THE That Rome is BahyloH^ and the Pope j^ntlchrtjl. 5 9 THE THEAME OF M. PERKINS Prologue. indl he/ird another voyce from heauenfay ^ Go out of her my people^tkityou be not partakers of her finnes^ andreceiue not of her plagues. Rcucl. I S. 5. M. BISHOPS ANSWERE TO M. P^r/^wj- Prologue. Sc(^. i. THe learned hrow it to he :fitt . For by the purple Harlot in that place is Jtgni. I f.el (dsfhallbe prcued prsfcntlj) theRomtin Empire ^ as then it was^ the l^HHC of Idols ^and ivith mo^ bloudie /laughter perfecuttng Chrtfts SAints : Thofeofthe Church of Romebein^ as nearefl vnto it , fomofi fibteti to that facrilegioHS btticherie* H'hereforethatvoyce vchtch S. John heard fay. Go our of her my people, that you be not partakers I of licr Cmnciy&LC\can haf 4 able 40 ThAt RirnieisB^hyloHjAndthe Pofe Antichrtji, able to frofts: themofi ittdicious 7)oSlor S. Auguftinc , anddmers o- thers of the ancient fathers yVOith the /earned troupe of Utter fnterpre- ters, expounding it of the whole corps and fociette of the rvtc^ed, Ani as for the feauen hils on the vehich they lay t hiir foundation, t hey are not to be taken laterally : the AngellofGod tnthe very text it felfe inter- pret tngt he feuen heads of the beaft^ to bee afveHfenen Ktngt, nsfeuen htls. Bat this noivctthjianding to helpeyou forward^ I vptll grant ityou^ becaftfe fame good writers haue fo t/d^n it : and therefore omtt oi im- tertinent that which yott fay tn proof e of it What can you tnferre here, unto ? Marry {hat the Roman Church is that whore of Babylon, Faire andjoft gooi Str^hovpproue you that I Thus, The whore of Babylonu a (late of the Roman regiment ^ ergo the Roman Church is the whore i of Babylon. fVhat forme of arguing call you meihi^ f By the likefophi- picationjoH may proue that Komulus 4«ccjfi/ethe;j the fl.ite t;vm Chnjiia, which he* fore had been Heathen : fo that vmo the part ie P^gaHj andmt vnto the . I Church of God, heeafcrtheththefeivorks of the wicked Harlot : whtch I atfe the very text itfeffedoth co-tmrtce: font h(tih, That Oic was drunk wif lithe bloud of the Martyrs of Icfijs. NowtheChnrch of Rente I had not theyth) iheconfeffionofall men, dratrnc any bloud of Chrifls"^ I Sutnt', but tntejitmonie of ht^ truth .h.idporvred out abundance of her befi bloud . J therefore it is mofl mAntfeji jh.tt the harlot could notfqnt- fie the Church of Rome Jo pure and free from jltughter: but the Roman 1 1 Empif ejvfhtchivas then full aorged, with tha{ mo(l innocent and holy I blotti. Againe, thatwhoore is expounded, To I c* a citie which had ' kingdomcjoucr the Kingsof the earth But the Church of Rome had then nol^tngdomouer the earth , or any temporall dominion at all but the ^ Romane Emperours had fuch foueratgne conmAndement oucr manie KirKTS: when fore it mttfi be vnder flood of them, and not of the Church. Now to tai^e km'idomc not properlie for temporall foueratgnty ^ but for jfirituaUiu'ifdiSlton.a^fomefhiftersdo, is tofli tvtthoHt any warrant fromthenatittefigKfficattonoftheivord, Vnto the phantaflicallandvo- lH*)tarie tm.igtnatton . And whereas M. Pcrkmsf^th, pag. 5. that Ec- I clcfiafticall RomclnrcrpcitofibtCjprinccIy dominion, andcrucl- I ticagainrttheSaincs, isalloncwith the heathcnilli Empire ; hee bothfeeketb fo deceiue,c^ it great lie decetued: hewoulddecetue^in that I hedothapplyv(>ordsfpokenoflion,lcjiicrh it, and fdith, ** // rntty he faydja»din myindgement better ^that by the bar- <^ BelUmM htitvnderftaodK&me. So had be before fay J, t\\2nS. lohn' decU- ,^"fea"dod!a Uth. that the xpomnn is the citiethAt fitteih vponfeuen hilsythm *^((aith /•''>'> ^ "«" '«"' he) kor/je. Ihc vciy ciccrcIt^lK of ihc tiuth made hiiu toco ifclie, „ie,'tnctr>t,n- ithacinthe dckription ni the n^hore of Babj/on Rome niultncccf- '<'%K';'''*w». jfarily becvnderrtood; licn^uli niiftctherwiicashccnfii^hr.buthe Exp'ultmSie- ifdwchat todcnic this would Ice no fliift. Yc.iandtiiecxDv^fition ""^'T'^'^rJ/em ithat /!/. ^///^^/)bringcth, makc-th nothing rotlic contrane. for dJ (uper ftfttm . I although vve vndcrUand tliac Babylon do impoit the nholc corfs «>'''*''' 'I' ^0. \^d(oc/etjfoftheivicked,ycZ\\c ire d\i'otovndcil]indyih2tth\s corps " \ o ■ a^djocittie hath a head , from whence the name is dcri icd to ihc whole body, and therefore the notification of the body, fpxiajlr I being a body fo con lufed, mull needs be by thcdcfcription of tlic ' head. Tiieartirming I fiy of Babylon to be the whole corps iindfo^ cietic of the.vtckjd, doth notcxckidc Rome fiom being njcant by ;/;:• irhore of Babylon, becaufer^r head is ncccdanly implied in the whole body, and Romcis defcribed andfct forth vntovs, as being j/^r^f4iotthatfocietic. And thatr/?r4^ is here properly meant, iisinuincibly maiiifcft, becaufe thelpeechis here oi^ her that ma- /Apoc.i4.8.&. l^th all nations drHnk,fp/al. nhatliue according to the flefh, and vnder'ihenamc of Hterttfa- 6^.D:,as.!/i,us j/fw, all that liuc accordmg tothcfpirit. '' The lone of the rvor Id ma- o^Lmw^w*/^' keth Babylon , and the ciazcns thereof, Thelom of God makeih iii-ru[ii- ^Jyr':'fr*»A' j men of the wtck^acttte ; the bead thereof xvas Babyion;ahoJe name,thnt wi;:i.c cmaam: ! UyConfuj7on,fitteththe citte of earthly kind and difpofttton. That Ba- ^"'"'J'J;'"'** I bylon wholy fauourcd of the flelh, affecling altogether the liatc ,u/te^igit''"!i' ' I andkingdome of this world, fuHof abhominablc idolafrJv.',couc-^''^'^^^^''^']J^ I toulQCirc,pride,crucltic,vnclcancandfiIthicIufl,pcrfccucionand tjho^j„/io. ' "" i hatred. 44 '^^^^ ^^^^ ^ Bahyh^j and the Pope Amichrift. hatred towardi) the people of God, whom it held along time in fubicdion and bondage to it felfc.Now as that Babylon being the mofl: auncient (late ofearthly minded men, was the head of that companie and focicticof thcwickcd, notbecaufcall vniueifally were outwardly fubiecl vnto it, but bccaufeall were ioyned in- wardly in conformitieofafFcdiion with it;ro Rome arofc vpafter- k ihid. Ti-ma y^^vd to be another head of the fame bodie, ^ Oiit "^ere another Ba- alteram Occi- hjlon in the TVc-ji, as S. ^H^ine fpeaketh. ' 'Baby Ion X-t'\i\\ he, »^/ as tibidll^'T'*' '' ^^^' '* f^^fi Rome , and Rome is as it nere a (econd Baby ion , and as cap. i. Bahyio- the daughter of the former Baby Ion MwsiS Babylon then euen from ZZfipfTRo. the firll original ofit,though as did Babylon.fo Rome alfofliouid rna,jwjifecm- in thelattcr ftates therofgfow to be in higher degrcc ofconfufion % ^tcT^^. then It was in the beginning.AU this the holy Ghoft mort plainly veiut moris fiUa confirmcth in the defcription dcliuercdby'*iS',/tf^;?.Firrt itis to be w^ApTcij.i. obfcrued, that S. lohn according to the example of the Prophet & 17.J-&C. Daniel, doth by the tearme of" a beajl import fonie earthly king- aD.7.j. c, jJQj^^^(}at^^aj^(]gQijctnment, therefore named <2^f 'hils } Buc this touchcth them to the quicke, bccaufc the citie of l^ome is famous tor fcuen hil?, for which Tcrtnlttan calleth the "Je't'^l-^pof. kopic of Rome '' the natine or home-Borne people offenen ^///; where- ^r/irnlljffim ^r they had then' feptimofitium, which was ^afejfiihallday in the mo- '«'"^'^"/«'» ftp- id h of December^ vpon which day they performed facrifices and deno fUiem comttm», \ionf vpon thofe feuenhtls '. ludxvM [0 named \ji% f^arro obicwictb] ' afi^^»*'^*^^'>Ut ^hofefeuen h^svponwhich thectty flood. Seeing then there is no city Roi.Uur.Sefu. n the worlaco whicli this mzr^offeuen hilt can bee applied but '•'!,'"*"''"'','/* lythc citicorRome, they hauc no way loexcufe Rome from mcHfi Dtcmiri, cirig the whore ofliahyloa here dcfcribcd, bur onely by faying, thot %'j;;^^ '^Jj^^f hife ^/// are not properly 10 bee vnderftood ; thereby bewraying yi--'^^. ihcniiferic of their caufetocucry manthatdoihnot wilfnlly yceld LatTJlks-^D^t limfelfto bee bhndedbv them. The Angcll further exponndcth M-"««"""*^' :c Y^/^^«^'^^'to(ignificM;^/,./«'/./V^/i«.4r.^to,f3ith r.^---' .v., oneis^ and another is not yet come : that is^ (ikh the Rhemifh Di- ticunnquibui ^ines, though they faid it before they were aware,' pt'.e were before TyJ!'gJ^' Chriji, oneprefent^and one to come. Whereby ihcy crolTc that abfurd * '^'"'^ ^'^' hift of theirs vfed in the place which wehaue he ere in hand, l\^^t'^'!4,mx'^lou' ! feuen ts a mj flic all number, figmfymg viiuer^alh all of that fort where- ^''■^• fhefpeakeiht and that the feuen head f, hils, or kjn^domsy are all the Ungdomes of the world, perfeC(iti*ig the Chrtfltans^ beetng heads and ^ountaines, fay they, for thetr height in dtgnityaboue others. For if jhc/^«^«^^-<<^-f bee taken in that gcncraliticofconflruiftion, tl\pn here i no place left for this diui'ion oifue before ChriSl^oneprefent^ fyone to Cflwe.bccaufe toe meaning muft be,4llthat arepafl, all that ireprcfent^and all that are to come. The oxhctcspofuion^^i^kh they t)ring, IS as vaine and ridiculous as that. For as they reckon "fiue \mpires ,kin^domr,or flAtes ^tfjAt Vfereperfecutors of Go.ls people before 'he time orCliritt, as of Egypt ^ Canaan^ Babylon^ the Perfans^ and Crcekj: 46 Th(Lt Rome is Bahylony and the Pofe Antkhrifi, Greehss : fo they may recko many mores as cruel! v aunded towards them astnefe were, the Phiiiftincs, the Amalckites, the Ammo- nites, the Moabites, thelfmaehtcs, thcEdomitcs, the Aflyrians: and bccauie there arc fo matiy more then ^hcj therefore they can- not accord with the fumme here, where there are but/«f. Yea and the text plaine!yreie6leth this manner of account, becaufc thcy*- ucn heads here fpoken of, are heads of one heaft^ and therefore can- not be appUed to diners ftatcs. Butbyoneofthefe^tf4^/ori(^/«^/, it (hall appeare what all the reft arc. Ofthe king that was in the time of Chrift and of i*. /ohf7,zhetc is no qucftion but that it was the Em- pcrourofRome,whowasin a manner the king of the world, and /Luk-i.i, therefore ^ gafte foorth commandement a little before the birth of Chrift, that all the rvgrld(h0Mld he taxed. There is no other king to be fpoken ofatthat time,butonely this king. Seeing then that the Hxr ki'^g is head of the Romanc ftace, and all iheJeueK ki^gs are headt ofone and the fame ftdte, itmuftneedesbee, that t\\o^ fine kingt, which were before Chrift, were alfo h^ads ofthe Roinane ftate. Now in this C^xthead, we fee that thenameof^^/wg' is not vnderftood of them onely who haue the verie title of kings, but of fuch as hauc theplaceandauthority of kings, that is, thchigheft and fuprerae gouernracnt ofthe ftatc. And as the fixe head or king was not onely one man,but the whole fucceflion ofthe Emperers, fo we muft vn- derftand, thatthe oihcr fiue heads or kf^gs, were not fine icucrall men, but fiue leuerall titles and d^itcs oi the highcft gouernours of thcftate, Andfullyfo many wee find in the Romanc gouernment before the Empcroi^s and the time of Chrift ; which were /^/«^/ (o c'3\\cd,CofjfulsyDecewtiiri,Trihttnes^ Dilators , cuery ofwhich for tiieir times fucccflfiuely, were the fupremc Officers in the Empire pVerf.j. ^"^ kingdome ofthe Romans. Seeing then thatchis cannot beiu- hVe.Oi. ftificdinany otherftateorcitie, butonclyin thecitie of Rome, i( yjilcZm^iwd '^ heercby maoifeft againe, that Rome muft be the Babylon here ,n. otfines Scriptores tci^dcdby S. loh», Furthcrmorc this^^^i^isdefcribedalfoto hauc "del/mf&i "^^"^ ' ^ ^^" homes, and thofc ten homes are expounded to bee ^ tenne kings, deces, Fumof which (hall grow out ofthe heaftj that is, out of the fame ftatc oc 'SZmtmer ^'"g^o^ne. No w there was no other ftate, but only the ftatc ofthe fe diffidaa. Romane Empire, whence thofe/^m{f/mightarife,yeaand5. lerome witneflc^h, that ' all Eccle/iafttcallfVrhers hauedelmeredj that thofc tin kings [balldimde amongH them the Romunc Empire, Therefore Bellar. That Rome u Babylon^ And the Pope Antichrtfi. A-, r , \ I , n , , VBtUMrmit fiellarmineino confcflctli, that '' the ttnne kt»gs Ihall arife out of the ^^ttchnfi^ap.^. Kotnxne Emptre, IfMt (liallbe ns Emperottrs of Rome, euen as the hornet O''"^'"' -'7""/"« Jrtfsf out o\thebe(i{i butyet Are not the beaji. If then it hcccrrainc,as noj.dncu cuit |t is mod ccrrainc/and cannot be dcnicd,thar the llnrc ofRomc is Si'.vllX,'!!^ |t whence tliofc ten kings mud grow,ho'.'. can we make doubt,but »/'/'•"'"»""' 'x hit the State oFRomc is it, which is here fet (-oorth vnto vs vnder ,pfe'rJn jJi!'* he name of Babyjo? To Ciy nothinQ,that there was no other i"tatc 'Vcr.u. , , • / • L I- I III mTertuU (ouna prgouernmentto whicliitcanlongtulicbeca.ppiicd, that itwas jud,.oi,c;-Ub.ii \drmken with the blof4i of Saints.andof the Martyrs of leCns Chrt^. «>'ura A'hrcitrt, rnedclcripcion httetnIoliueJyandapparantiic,as tliattheaunci- io.tnntmno[irum mtFathcrs^(fr/«//M«and///<'rffOThaucmadcvndoubtcdcon(lru- f.<"«'»''-<^'^''^" i-^ion thcrcot concerning the ci tic or Rome. ""BabyloMxvith S, lohn n Huronai faith Terttillian) carieth the figure of the cttie of Rome. " They thiuhe •^k'^-1- ' ' • [x\m Hterome) that the Rem.meEmpre 1^x11 be eternall, nheret/poK ,,um^urnum» •,ccodinz to the ReueU-.tonoi S. Iobn,iHtheforeheadofthevKrplehar' r'*'""'-'-''"'' '» ' . -^ r/; // In I a ' 1 Jrtme purpurat.e at IS written a name of blajmemte, that is , A onte enerlaJttn'T. In ano- meremcu ftcundii her place r^ocakingof his dwelhng in Rome, he laith :*W« / re- ^!,}^^£^T' KMnedtH Baby left, attdrvas an inhabitant oj the purp/c harlot ^ and It- mmenblafphmU : Lifter the Itiv or fapjton of the Romanes. And againe, vvr;t.ng to '^",1^11^'^'"'"^ f'farcel/a in the mmc.ofPaftU and EHJiochmm, to pcifwac'c her to * Jdem p-xfat. )mc from Rom to Bcthlchem.vfcth argument thereof from thac sp''fa»ao'''cut I'hich in tlic Reuclation is written concerning Rome:"^fiii*. ndmanjwaters^andofthe endof Babylon-, and thereupon applieth ^'"Im!! 0 it thcfcntence heeic prefixed, Goeoutof her my people, faith the " tdtmad-sur^.i lard, CJ^c.Of u'hich place Ludouiciu Vines giueth this obfcruation, "J^TcdiyJlin lat ' Hierome writing to Marcella^ think^th that there is n» oiher ^""^'^■^^1'*'^ 'abjJondefcnbedl^y lohninthe Rcuelatien^butonlj thecitie of Rome, ra'taj^'lnpu iianothcr place alfo fpcakn^namehc to thecitie of Rome, hec^y''"'^'^'''''.^ . iltn: ^ Uur SamoHrtn the Rehelatton hath threatened a ctirfe vnto mo>,tiiu;,^'uis oee. Thus they conceiucd that all that isfaid of Babylon, of the '""^"'Cl^^''*^'''" jurplc harlot, ofthc name of blafphemic, of thefeuen hils,ofthc eMtumiiuere. panv watcrs.of the curfc tlireatncd to Babylon, and the finall de- ^l'"'% 'i'**' "■' I' /•III n r \ r .yiurutt. de ant. traction or ic,to be wholy vnderltod of the citic of Rome. We uil o./.l 4.1 «.<■.!/). lierefore take nothing here o^M. Strops curtclie and gift, but by 11 ^.Urc'Jum"" {at'j:m xot .tisam 'itdtp.rihik TttntMtn yp»':»lYpftBahjloHtm,q^Mmvrbm T^inam, <\Wir« and Remtu rvere the purple harlot, he is much dccciucd therin, bccaiife the (late or regtment of a people that are the tnh.ihitants of Rome, Cdjjnot be ftrai- 1 necltoimport^//p^«'/>/tf thatarethcinhabitantsof Rome. Yet wcC' iBuftlethim vnderfiand, that /?tfw«/w was the ftrrt founder of Ba-i byion, and inbim vvasthebeginningofthefirftofthofe/^w^w^^^ii/i oftheieajl, bccaufc he was the firft king of Rome For Rome was Babylon cucn from the firft original] ofit, as before I noted out of -^«/?/«,andasappcaretbinthatitis dcfcribed zo)[ii\x^ feucft headty and thcrcforemuft bee Babylon, not vndcr one or two onelyj buti vnderall thole heads, though wccmdccdmcft commonly fpeakc thereof, onely in rcfpe£^of Antichrift, which is the fcuenth head. So was fhc alfo from the haginninga purple harlot, bccing founded in bloud and parricide, as S. Auftin obferueth, by ' Romultu \\\% '^tutt»?% Haughtcr of his brother /?tfiw«*, that he might be king alone : cfta* ^Tit: Lm.Dec,i. bUllicd by ^rauiflimcntof vlrgins&majdes, allured thither vndcf ^'*'* pretence of fports and plaics .- incrcafcd by continuall flaughter and bloudfhcd, to that huge greatnelTe which it attained vnto: though the name of purple harlot bee more fpecially giuen in refpeft offlieddingthe bloud ot'the martyrs of Chrift, andofthe filthines of Antichrirt, wherein he (hould go beyond all other that had gone before him. As for Conflantme, Theodojius, and/ome other fuch like godly and Chriftian Emperours, though they were heads of her thit'is t he rvhore of Sabjlort, yet it folJoweth not that they were /A* irhore of Babylon^ or the purple harlot, becaufe it is not neceiflaric that fimpiyallinthat fucce/Tton (liould bee of the fame aflPeilion. For cuen amidft the ranke and fucccfllon of idolatrous heathen Empe- rours. when M. Bifhop denicth not but that Rome was Babylon, '^f!iif'^'^' there was ' P^/A/;thcEmperour, a godly and Chriftian Prince, fo deuotcd to religion, astkat heefubmittedhimfelfe to the ccnfure of the Church. Yeaand^/fl»ctf. puretccncyearcs ; yea and foone after , it was di(ire{Tcd and taken l\tu,u!chfmT eaine, and the Wcilerne Empire wholly ouerthrowne, tjieproui- '""*^ &*i>j<'>' Cr^ Ai * r I- LI1 III rum fucceffares lence or Ciod by tins contunon gunng way by little and luilc to xf^rt.- ad lujimu- rjc B\{\\opcfRomf to take vponhuii « as afterwards he did. to bee «"'»<"»"«" k»"'* pc leucnth head ot ihc Romanc itJtc. Now then we hope M. Ripjop 9n fce,thar we haue no meaning to argue in that fort , that ibey arc \/il^ affeUioH trj religion vsbo goucme thejame k^ttgdorr.e, nay vvc are f far from arguing in that forr,3S chat wee rather confeflcjthar they \hoho{\\:i'[C\^voptdy heads of thevfhoreof Bahjilon ^ niay yet bee ioers in religion-, as were the heathen Empcrours that wcrecf i|d,from the Popes that are now. Yetvponhis loofc imagination .^cenfurethvSjthatw/r/.'y''^^/^^'*^^'-^'''^^ ^^^ vponvjlacenircu/e E tin y o Thnt Eome is Babylon y and the Pope ayintichrifl. thelearriedH mthewor/d, ofvvhich whofocuer they arc, wcc are Turc ihadiC IS none, nor doe hold him .1 tit man to iiuigcvvhochcy arc. But M. Hifhop , lee vs not contend vvho aie tbebejl hamed. You know what vve are went to fay , that thegreatefl Cierkes be notal" < J Pjou as.r; vpaics the Vi'ijejl men. Solomon tellcch you, ^ Seefl theu a man w'l^e in 1 his owKCcoyicciyt? there is more hofeof'a foole thenofhitn. Tliinke \ huiVibly ofycur Icavniiig, and it will haply ferut: you thebc?rcrt6. \ ledtne ihc truth. Asforouricarniog, thankesbee toGod.ichatli , - done you thacforroWithacyou h^ue iiocaufc lobr^g of yours,cne* , ly loofcrsiRufl hauc their vvortiSjand hcecan doc licilr,thaf cannot \ talke. Bucro V hetellethvs, t^at admitting the pmp/e h^.r/ot tc ftgntfie the Rornane fiate ^ yet the (iate of Romemrifi beetukenasitvcoi then v^hen ihefe words vperejpokji^ oftt ^t^M is^ piaantdoLtrous^ a^d a hot^ • perfeCHior of Cbrtjhan'i . Here is all that he h. c!) to (ay^ and if this bee nothing , there is ncrcmedy but Romeri,u(} be Babylon, the Pope Ancichrifl, fndcsKawhatfhallbeconieofhirn ? Now wc deny not but that Rome \\f2s the purple htrlot vndcr thofc headicn Empe- rorSjbuc wedcniethatinihefallirgofttofc EiJipcrcrSjfiic fhouM ihencctoorth ctafe iohcc the purple harlot. Y 01 t he purple harlot At- fizribed by S. lohn , was fo to be vndciy^«^« heads , of vvhicli by S, /ffWaccoun ,the Emperour was but the fixe. Suh then that Rome wd.^the purple harlot vndcr the Ei"nperour,which was thefixt bead, it foilowcm that there remained after the Emperour zfenenth head ' of theRomanelldte, vnderwhichRornc'was to continue to be the ptirple harlot. That Babylon fpoken of by S. I^h», rnult bee poflcf- fed by a beaft as head thcreof,in the time of thofc ten k^ngs to which c^Apoc.iy.ij. the empire fh all bee d\u\d^d^yvh\c\\'^(hallgitte their power and aw thoritieto the fawehsdji. There was no fuchdiuifionofthe Empire, nor any fuch tcnnc Kings in the time ofcbofc heathen Emperour*. i Therefore fith Rome was Babylon vnder the heathen Empcrours^i iSandervifib. It mu(i coHtinue to bc Babylon after tbcm. Yea that Babylon niuftt ^t%^£onfirjM deftroycd, with that deftruaion which S. Ighnddcnbtth at I Anach. 8. Joan, large in the 1 8. Chapter. But Rome was -not fo deftroycd in the 1 TcuXegelVrnx ""^^ of thofe heathcn Empcrours. Therefore it abidcth ftill vndcr 1 cumBabytme fhcnamc ol Babylon , cxpeding the time of that dcftrudion. Td' SlJntSJfti ^^f fhort , it is without all controucrfie, and B. Sanders confefTetli t cjt)formcato, efc. it ^that ' Bai'jl9»mcmt9»ed ^jt Saint lohn^is thefeatc a»d citie of Amm cbrifi.. Thst Rome is Babylon^ and the Pope Antichriji. 5' i chrifi. Bccaufc therefore tliatRomcis that B ahjf /on Kshcxcoi Saint /o^wfpeaketh, Rome mud be \.hi:jc(itan*icine of Antichrift. Rome was not the feat e andc it te of Ant tchrtji in the. time of the heathen Emperours. ihcrelorcir remained afterward lb to be. It appcarcih therefore how vaincly thclemcn plcircthcmfejiies with a lliadow 'of an anfvvcr , that Rome was the /^w^^/^ ^*?r/(7/ in therimcofthc 'heathen Emperours, inalmuclj asthcicofitf(>Iloweth jthatOiccis jaftervvardsalfo tiie l>tirp/char/ot,bccM eit is apparanr.that the^i^r- 'p/e harlot miift be after the time of thofc Emperours , and there are not two purple harlotSjbutoncly one. 1 hat therefore which M.Bi* (hop alicadgeth vnder the name oi' Am^rofe, Is Co farrc from making lany thing for him,3S that it makcth wholly againft him , bccaufe it lprooueth,thaty?o?M^n'*« thittgreatxrhorc atthatttme, when the Apa- ^ftle did xvrtte this. So doch (hatal(oof///>r<7Wff, bccaufc icfhewcth, rhit ic was Rente th^t h id that hJafphemiervrittentn her forehead. As ■for that that he faith, that b By the confefsion of Chriji fliee h.id blotted h Hierentdu. out that bU'phemte;[t hc!peth Af. BijhopnoiYwna, Shce h.'d taken E To-.iin.'tb.i. Scri' ^y me imputation thereof for the time, but that echpfe of the Uafphemiam .ir,or rather oftf.c darkenclTcorr/;^^^.7/?hindrcdnot,asbcforc JJ;;;^;;""-^'^"'"' :.s*faid,lHr that (lie might rctiirnc to be the fame that fhe was be- fore. Yc3 when prcf ncly after he faith, that Chrift tn the ReueUtion ^adthreatenedachrfevntohcr , and in his Epiftleto Marce/U harh ■pplycd to hcr,thac which is faid of the deflruiltonof Babylon , as wc auc fcene before, hccgiuethvsplaincly to vnderitjnd, that his ,'ordsyce'id no exception, but that Rome mightflillbcc liahvlon, bccaufethat cur fc and definition but vnder the name of Babylon, could not befall vnto lier. But Af.BipJop hath yet fon^e foohlli rea- fonsto perfwade vs, that thefc things cannot be meant of the Charch of Rome. Fif'^ , thepinple harlot was then drnyike with the blood of the AlartnSj hut the Church of Rome had not then drawne ilood of any. Abfurd fliifter,tliat will thus goeabout to\le,ude the /iihcedic and ignorant Reader. Who would thinkt himinRis wits o argue thus,tliatthe Cburcii ot Rome now cannot bee t!icj9,' fionfoi^mattnu fho fpirttua/l where if he had notbeenc blinded with the doatin* Pit^ loueof hismiftrcirc;he would haucfccnc that Antichrift certainly had._ i Tku Rome /> Bahylo»j and the Pope Antichriji. >■ 3 ; had hccnc come, bccaiifc the ccrtainc and infallible token of rlic** ^'"••^'^'■'- comaiiiigoFAntichrilt, which was the ruinc of the RonuncEin-^^^t^^Tr/f^'-ti^ pirc,was appaiArlic fulfilled. For it was the temporall Empire that Z"-^"'""^'""' the anciciufathcrs /pake of, tricy iieucr were fo mad as.to dreame tnhnjium fui^r. ofa(pirt!»a//empfyetohcd\uidcdto ten kmg<,. Of the tcmporall ''''"": ,, ^^. and ciuill l^ate of the Empire, it was ihnTettnHtan faid,*^ fbe decay ldi,Li.^o,m>'i of the Roman emfire dtttidedtoten kings, (hall be the bringing in of An- T^'^^ZlTo-b,, ;/r^r//?.Ofthc fulfilling wherof£^*!i, thefephick hjth efeSj^.ndamoisih fpe^^in^great things. Thereof Lyra ^<'&n"!>^'J'"'*. alio faith; ^ AH ks»^domes , in a manner are gone fomthe empire of [^^^^Gertli. Rome, denying to n fnbuElton and payment of tribute ; now for manie ^^"*!t,t">^.^<*- yares hath that empire beene without an Emperour . The empire of ^S'ST Rome then is long ago abolillicd and come to nought; all "Beflar- ""fi"* '» ''" mines deuiccs cannotfet it vp againc . The Empire that now is, is clnt7p/n!uhm but a mccrc title ; the name without the thing , and not to bee ac-^''*'-"^^'"^"''"" counted fo much as the Hiadow of the Romane empire. Yea what Tln.i.iH i. it is,it is thcGermane, not the Roman empire ; for how fliouid he ^J''//''"'*/'-^- -^ be called Empcrourof Rome, who hath nothing to do in Rome ? u7^Xwl:!lct Forthe Pope thefc many hundred yccres hath vfurpcdRomcand"^' taken it for \-\is ownc,whoIy excluding the emperour from thence. ^& 8 Thecttie ofRomeiso/^rsSiith Adrian the fourth, not the Emperors- '"*/'"• o:ir [eat is at Rome , the brnperowf-s feateis at A(juez.in Jrduenna^T»tum iliudc^r- ^rvhichisamodtn France}' If a man looke to Rome cr Italy, faith Theo- ^'l^"^!7""Xw, I doricus, tt was indeed the feate of the ancient empire, but uorv the Empe- 'i:6..^puU.t nc~ roHrhathnothingthereofbutatttleonelySo then it is buta u^OQk(:vy^ZZi'.7itn6n noA'io call him cheRoman Emperour ;hcnial vndcrthcnameof^"'/""'"^"-'^- XA Emperour,be only one of thcd^ ten kings^to w liom the Empire 5,w;?"/^^i* . , . ,. /, , ,' 'fl ^quii,(s-c: h T,eodonc.* rJitm.U.^ cuAi.St ad Ronum tf It*lUmrtfftxtrit,f:ut fUa quidtm vtttrii Imperii feda, fed Hunt 1 •ccraiormhildc«dlja'jttqua'nnii*.';tm, E 5 flioulJ »ta rcgna; nc ntm ti[ub.-ci. reddttioKcr* lam a y 4 That Rome is Bahylcn, and the Vo^e Antichrifi. fhould be diuidcd . And hereby the Bidiop of Rome is infallibly knowiic to be An tichrift^becaufe in the faJi of the Empire he is ri- fen vp,and in rteed ofthe temporal! maicftic, he hath fct vp a fpi- rituall empire and miifdid-ion of hisowne. As for temporal! do- minion^heneedeth not to make him Antichriffjtohaueany more butoncly the (late and territorieof Rome, The Emperor was the rixt,&Anticl>rift(theEmpircbeingdiiTol'jed)muribethe(euenth head of that Romanc ll:ate,\vhich the Pope hath long time been, 5 -Belhi.dt "Rom. and * BelUrmine defendeth him fo to be. Bur to make him cquall 7'o:itif.ub.$-c.9. j.^ jj-j^ hcathsn Emperours in (bte and princely dominion, his//?*- k BUnd inftitir: ritualltanfdiclioft hath been fully fufficicnt; in rcfpcd^ wherof ^ all -^om. iih:i. ^ princes of theivorUf as faith Blondus the Popes kcrcnriCydid hoMor trhiiterramm the Pope OS the higheft God; and almofi all tnrope did fend their iri- fomficeTnyt Iffiies toR ome s.^e(tter. or at the leafi equall to the reucr^ues of anaent hortorant&co. timet. Yca,eucn outer trMsrcajmeot England there wcntgrcatcr ^Tcet^ipaiiT'''^ rcuenues to Rome, as ' Mathetv of Paris, and otb.crs bauc noted, frifcorumtem, thcn uxrc the reuenuesofthcCrownc. Therefore a very fimplee- jP0MOTi/e««^4- ^ ^jafjo,, joth M.Btfhcp vfe, in faying, that by temporall dominion the omniunbutd Popc 18 3 hundfed dcgrccs Idle thcH the EoipcrorwaSj u hen ashc TmlthSc-in '^nowcthjthatby his fptrituall empire and ktngdome, he hath becne Hcnr.i. asgreat,and indeed greater then cuer the Empcrourwas. Now J would banc him to remember what his maiQcr Beilarmtne faith, m Bc/Z^iM. ie that ■* Antichri^ fhalbe the lafl t hat (hall fhldthe Roma-^e empire ^and ^itichr. cap I y. yg^ )P9ithout the name of tht Romane Emperonr. He would not fee it, fiuivitimusrex Dut indccd ncdoth thereby rightly delcribe the Pope, who w-th- tjai tenebn Ro-_ outthcname of thcEtDpcrour,hath vndcr another namcof /^/V/- um^iamenfme tttali turifdichof* ^ holdcn the Empirc m lubiccricn to himfelrc. 7mcZi7'*"' "^^'^ '"^^ fhould do,becaure thetemporall dominion was to bee di- uidcd to ten kings. This he hath done, & hath holdcnthofe kings vndcr his obedience , andyctthcfemcn ftop their eyes ,. an J will notfcehim to be that that indeed heis. Asrbr that which A^.Bi. (hop faith, that>^. Perkins feekcth to deceiue , in that bee appli- eth to Rome at this day, that which was fpokcn of Rome I500.yearesag05 hec is therein much deceiued himfelfc, bccaufc thofe things which were fpokcn of Rome i joo. yearcs ago, were Ipokenby wayof prophccie, to difcouer Romevntovsasitisat this day.His laft exception is^thatri'* Empire Jlew more faints of God in oneyeare, then the Chttrch ofRoms hath done of ol'Jiwate berettket ttt That Rome is BahyloH, and the Pope Antkhrifi. S 5* iniCoo.yceref. Where after the manner of the perfccutors vndcr the old Empire, hcc callctn ihcm reproi>ate and obfttnate he'reukesy who vvcic indeed ihc Snints of God. Of them the Church of Rome flue none at ill, vntill by vfurpationofthc Pope, Hiee became the fcatc and kingdome of Antichrift : bur how flie hat h plaicd her part fince, irroay beecftcemedbythacthat BelUrmine himfelfe rcpor- tcth, that^^ " eight thotifand^ which as Aiatthe)ivo^?Ai\% notcth, '^BeH.irJemit were the Popes" crofe-marked C^mldicvSy there were flainc at once rMfipW/* tnFranceahfindredth'oufandofthe AlbigenfeSj inthc time of fKKo-Joame.aa.iiii. cr;;///« the third. /T/4;//?5wParisagainementioncth, that not long afrcT, in the time of Pope GrcgortetUc ninth, there were flainc ofthe m Alrr.iin^^ >mhf?ji(eK(imi>er, belidcs a great multitude of them dfflroicdin Spaine. Nowthcfc A!bigcnfe<;, although they vvi!l not ^ J'^cmif^ew. hauc it fo taken, were profeHbrs of the GofpcII,eucn of the fame faieh and rcHgion which we now profefte, of whom it were infinite to record, how many hundreds and thouC^nds they ii.iiic flaine vn* der the names of ^rrf/.'/i'w/Vj', Leoitff/y Lollards, IVtclcmflSj Hnjfiia, 77//^i7;;(7.'/, and fuch like. Cut of later times /'Ww* leraeriM, who hirnfelfc had bin one ofthe \r:qni(i!iony & fpake vpon good know- ledge of his ovvne, declared that by che fame vcrje/>;^«/^f/(?;fVvithin the fpacc of thirticyecres, there bad bin martyred 'I a hundred and ^iB-aUM.^^. fi'cytfioufand men and women, onely for the Gofpcis fake. The ^''"•p<'«"/-^*» F ench majjacres and bucchcrics will not bee forgotten, wherein J^JJ'Jm."' M.StOiv mcntioncch, that '' thejl.ntghters at f^^jjey, Paris y Sens, iStwes^mtali, Thoiottfe, Blois^ToHTS^ A-igiersandother fUcesJ?y credible eflimation """^ ' $<»*•"» reported out of prance in the jeer e 1562. were to the nu&:ber of a hnn. "' dredthosifundperjoyij^ mtht^^thefpace affix mor,eths. After which a- bout the fpace often yccres, followed the flaughrer of Bartlcnicw- tide, mott barbarous and cruell, wherein foinc thirty or fortie ihoufand were dcftroied in Pans and other cities of France, with- in a verieflKirt fpace, and thereupon great gratulatioiis made at Romcjwiihproceffions.and other tokens ofpublikcioy. Thusthcy hauemadenoend of martyiino the Saintsof Chr ft, and hnuc c- qiiallcd thccruelticofthe hearhen Fmpi;e to the vtccrmcU : and yet this hvpocrit beeingtnftriiiVd by hi^ mjHer BeJlarrmne, and bauingfoldhniileltctodiib his lies, ttlkth vs, that his RoiP.anc Church, or the Pope the licad thereof, hath notat ail fhcdfo much bloud, as by the heathen Empire was Hied within the compalfc of £4 one 5' 6 That Rome is Babylon^ mdthe Poj^e Jntkhrifi . oncyeere. The bloudthat they hauefliedcricth forrcuenge, and they ftiall receiuc it in due time. W. Bishop. HauingthtufrOHed^thatthevchorsofBAhylon^fignifah the hea- thetjflate of Rome ^ andnot the Eccieftafiicall : let vs now heare what y OH fay againfi it, Marrie, that thedtftm^ion of the Empire of Rome^ and Chnrch of Rome isfeoUfhj and coynedoflate to feme our tame : which to he fane otherwife^ I proopte outofthofe very Attthorsy -who doeinirepret that harlot tofigntfie Rome ; whoareneitherfooUfh^ nor of late dates : yofthaae heard it Before out of S, Ambrofe commentaries. And farther^ wee gather it out of%, Hierome, in the Epiflle which you cite : forbehamngrefembled Romevnto Babylon^ for the multitude of the wicked, whichyetremainedin it : points th out a more pure part , faying 5 There is indeed the holy Church, there arc the triumphant raonumcnts of the Apoftlcsand Martyrs, there is the true confef- fionofChrift, there is the faith praifed by the Apoftlc,&c. Beenot there expreffed two diflin^ parts of Rome ? Againe TertuUian wh9 Imedin the fecondhundrethyeere ;vnderthofeperfecuting Emperours, Lib cm hid De f^*^^ '" onepUccy that Babylon is a figure of Rome, in rcfpefl of her /"r^e/fr/fi.w/*.!^. proud Empire, and pcrfccution of the Saints. And in another ^ that Rome was moft happie for her hohe Churchj vnto which the Apo- ftles with their bloud had poured forth their whole do6lrine. See a plaine diftinElion Betweene the Heathen Emptre & the holy Church of Rome ; which finally may bee gathered out oftheexpre(fe word ef God. Where the Church in Babylon coele<5l, i^ difiinguifljedfrcm the rejf ofthM citiCj which was Pagan. 7ou fay ( but without any author) that Babylon there doth not (igni fie Rome ^ but either a City in Egypt, or AJJjria: But Eufebiuslib.2. hif. cap. 14. i derided in them, xh^i^theywor' dei:lib.i.cap.%i (hipped thofc Gods OS their maintatners and defeyidors , whom they therU' '^uanprljUeTnc f^tueshad oHetcome, and vainlieprefamedthev cotsldnot be conqueredj defififores coUre, hatttno before concfuered them by whom they (hould be defended. They Jmefr^'ump'. Hiadc not thcmfelucs any rule of rcHgion; they thought it to bee the ttmnonfou'e yj^y to gainc both gods and mcn,xo haue a Pantheon for a rccep- S^bmvmis^ wck ofall ftrange gods,and to f afliion thcmfclues to the rites and cere- Tkit Rome is Baby Ion , and tfje Pope Antichriji. 8 5" ceremonies of other men. Thcinftanccs that /W ■&/yZ'o/)bring;cth agaiiifUhi^arcnottorhcpurpofc, bccaufc they arc examples fiii- 'gular, and touch not ro the pcrpcruall courfcof the Romancgo- {ucrnment.AVrtf an J Dow/rw;/ commanded themfclucs to be wor« fliippcJasGods, but neither did anyfo before, nor did any after- »vard>vpholJ that \shichlhcy commanded, neithcrgrcw any fiich vordiip vniucrfally or commonly to bcrccciiicd. Adrianhcang ;ncuedatthcioirccHiisparamory^«r/>;o«j,wliomhc had abufcd c) i\U\i\c vnnatural Iul},to do him fome honor being dead whom ic could not kcepeahuej named a cicie in Egypt ofhis name '*y/«- uioufolia^ andbuildedhim tiieica tcmplc,and commanded him ^^ZaT' ;hcreto be uorfliippedsbut much further the vvorfliip o^ Auttnous c Apoc.17.:. ?rcua:lcdnoc. Thcfcex.implcs arcfarfromanfvi-cringthatuhich c cjJm?';!! ^{xA iA \.\\zvchare of Inibjlun y with fpcciajl reference to thcJaft f" ^"'.<"»'»^'««. l.uc thereof, for the corruptions whereof (he (liould finally be dc- l'Jie'mp!^fL^ (roved : " I bekjngs of the ctrtb haue commit ted forMtcat ion iv.th her, udtt poieflatu ifidihe inh.ibtt.rfits of the earth are drhnl?e>j withthewine ofhfrforni- 'h.ern!c'lp''^d . at ton. ^ Allnattoni hane drunken of the wine of iheivraih of her for-'^^"^'*"^'"*'- f^- ■ic.ittgvs . '' pje did corrupt the earth with her fornication. But tlicfc/J'rSXwr*. ^<^% very apparantly agree to the Church of Rome, in u hch it Pj"'c>-f">Z'*'- Lily Verified which S. Hterontefakb of Antichrill, that 'he[haUdtbapTfm^tlf(u. ■,t:(r all rciiQtorivnder his ownepowerJYvit Pope hath made himfelf^/^f"''"'*'^"''' [\c inaiter and commandcroral religion*, whit he hit to ^pproue, wo«.o, -vthen. Oiifl befollowedju hat he didtkethjmud be rcicdcd:nc man murt "''" "^'*f"*Iiic^ •I iiiri» lit r, ■ oacrameMUyaii- irclumc to contraric thatwhich he hnh.^f^Fe If ift.it hem allvntMert ter fcmtrt aut 'illy With a Oondof aperpet'J.i/l curfe (faith he) ^Tiho dare 10 thinhe or ''*"''"'«' ^'Z"' iach ofhertrije then the Church of Rome teacheth and ohfertieihoff'"iiiaRomanA ' he facrament of the ho lie and blond ofChrtfi^or ofBaptifme. or of con- f'Yr'' ^'""^"'^ elJU)ie (»'•<> fierfeuii ^. hat he (hafUe highly accurfcd, rvhatfseuer kjng^or bijhcp^or potentate^ Iww'^'"'' "^** '^xllihiKkethat the fenteyceof ihe decrees of the B [hops of Rome may '' iyq-i-Gent- c violated tn any things or Jhallfhlfer the fame fo (p be, ' JVe denounce ^ [^^ ^°"fx'!a'Ja' hatiiijtjeceffarteto faluation, for euery humane creature to be fubit^l 'i'"" "n.uhem^ ptke Btpjopof Rome. Vnder this authoritie hehath fent abroad {J^'r/>|^^^/?c;. hrou<;h the world his lubilccSjhis Pardons, liisdirpciifationsjiis /"■'""• ''''/"'""- ^ ' r » mmdeiHcfpi Ro. ni.i>:oi!tm PcH- ■n decrttarum ctnfuratn in quo^uum credtdoil ■v:i pcrmiferit liolMdam. i P* m^ior- inrKiAmin on^ ft dt iltCtJfllMtt filuitf. Malfcs 6 o That Rome is "BAhylon^ and the Po^eAnttchrifi. MalfeSjhisMonkcricSjhisRcIickcs, his Agnus Deisj his hallov^'cd bcadrs, his holy water, his holy oylc, and a thoufand fuch other witchcrafts and forccrics,and hath enchanted and belottcd the na- tions to make them doatcvpon the opinion of thcfeabhominati- ons.I need not amplifie this point, the matter is plain enough,and theythcmfelues require this obedience to be performed to that filthicbeaft. As for that yKi^/p^/jfaith of heathen Rome, tncoura' gtng and commanding the natian s to ^erfeuere in thetr filthic idolatrjy neither doth that fatisfie the matter, becaufe Hie could not be pro- k Apoe.j 8. 5i perly cn\\G(^the mother oftho[efornicaiion$ (^ abhominations which Ihc found among the nations, and onely incouraged them to pcr- feuere therin. But the Church of Rome hath cither been the deui- fer of her abhominationSjOr if they haue in any part been deuifcd by others, yef (lie hath licked all thofe monftrous and ilfauoured baftards to their forme. The Church of Romc,I fay,that now is, we apply nothing to thcChurch of Romethat then was,whichhc fondly inculcateth withoutcaufe. The mother wcconfclfewasa chad matron^bui the daughter isgrownc to bcafilthie harlot. W. Bishop. • Bm that'ttiinoxfi become tdoUtrous, M. Perkins doth prove by his fecond reafon^gatheredalfoi^l warrant you, right learnedly) out of the- textit felfe^ r^kereit u [aid: that the tcnne homes which fignific Cap.t7.T«r.i^. f^" kings, fliall hate the whore, and make her defolateand naked: vphich {as he faith) muH be vnderfloodof Popt(Jj Rome, For whereoi in former times J all the kings of the earth did fubmit themfeluesto the jvhore : now they haue begun to withdraw themfelues^ and to make her defoiateioi the ki»gs of BohemiafDenmaYkeyGermany JEngland^Scot- land,and other parts Jnt he fe his words is committed a moft foule fault, by eroffe ouerfight and ignorance in the very text. TVhatj be England^ ScotlandyDenmarkff {as for Bohemia, ruled by a Catholike Emperor ^ i^muji be omitted^ asalfo many States of Germany ^be theje Kingdoms your principallpillars of the newGofpellyComprehendedwithinthenun)' ber of the ten , mentioned there in S. lohn, which hate the harlot ? Te* marry. Why then they are enemies of Chrifl,and Satans/ouldiers ; for . in the 1 3 .verfe it isfaid ofthefc, that tj;iey lliall deliucr their power vnto the bcail, (which pgnifeth etther the diuellor t/^ntfchrifi) and iliall That Rome is BAhybft^ and the Pope Antichr'tfi, 6 1 Ifhallfi^htwithihcLambc , and the Lambc* Hiall oucrcomc them, ibccaulc he is Lord of Lords, and King of Kings. liMotthl^dottting \tn an high degree to h fame ft Moterieujly thcm,0fvehom he rrou/dlpenl^ moilhenourJandtomakc the [pecull piiro>:s of their new Gofpe/jhcdi- \ttelsCApt4i»es^dnd fiercely torv,igehAttellagai»ft Chrtfl Itfiu. Szc^hovf \heAte of ^wangling &/i»deth mensiudgements ? * R. Abbot, The d.rccl conclufion intended by Ai. Per^inth^ that 5. lohns propheciewasnoc accomplilhcd in heat hentpj Rome y\\\\(.xt\.\\)Qn. ir rcinaincth to be vndctBoodot'thc Chu-^chof Ron'.e. The Argu- nxnt which hcc vfcthtoihatpurpofeisinuinciblc , and M. Btfhap cunniiiiily ouciflippcth ic y;i;hout fuying any thing dire »5l'y to jr. Mc chargcth Af. Perf^nivi'xtU a mo(t foule fault , and qroffe otter fight a»d ignorance in the text X^^ with bccingi>li>ided\riih he^t ofwrang- hig^ when he iumfelfCjpoore foule.knowctii not what hec faith, or if hcedoc knowcihencairicth himfelfcn oft impudenily therein. Tliecafc isplaincit we doc but con(ider th^t the Oeafl :iV\\S the har>- lot belong both to one, as S. /«?^>7gitieth vs to vndcifland, by de- Ictibinf^ ^theiroman to ^efttt^vpon the heafl , in relpedi vvtiercof ^Apoc.iy j.^. the RhcmiHi Diuines docname'' the tvhore.and thebeafi ,And Anti- ^'K'^'^-'^'ft- chnfrAiis one; SoFermihew Prcacherot Mcmz !aith :*^ Thea- ij.i. hmtnatten ofdefoUtion (\ hichis thehfngdr^nt of Amichrt^John in iht \ ^'""J^J^'^"*' , ^pocaljpft vnderfiayjdeth (ometime < by the beafl to vehich the Dragon ntm dtfoktionit gA;ie pQveer fametiTKCS Ij the ircmanftttni^ vpon the beaft , a»dn:ak^ng '^!f[*fjj^^a^'l'g a.'ltodrifkeofthtm/jeofherfornicatton.S./chfJihcn gucth vico vii-'»"»*j;>» vV/ac,/, dtrft3nd,ehat tenne kings Hiouldririle out of tlie oillolntion-cfthe^^(:^pXri/f E'i)pire,ashathbccnelad. Otthcfc te»kingshc ia'vh,^ T^efe haue '^'^'o/ou/Uitr?, onemtude, Ayid^allgiue their power andauthontteta the be^Jl. Hete- p'rZiuu'ntmb^ ipon iiftiall follow , ihattogcihcr vvilU the bt."ft ''they (hallfght a-Ii*^ i^^fiotttni \gainfithe Limbe^ihit is, againft Icfu' Chijft Afterward it fhall 7vc!f."i'f.'' ;coliKto pjfle , thai thofe ten kin7 J ^ /had hate rhe whore thatfitteih 'Vcrfi4. vpon the braft , :in6/h(illmal:^ herdefoLiie an a n^^ed . andfha/l Critt ■ herjLfh^andbHi>ie her with fire. For , that ic may .ippcr.rc how they \pc\ii\gine thetrpovrerto ihebeafl^ zu^ychrite the^hortyiWit\'^, fiib. imit iheir.felucs to Antichiilis'^iiea'd j^oiicinmrnv , iiv\^yc[hate the Babjlon v\hcrcju Lc haLlu;igncd,hcc addcth ; ^ For O'odbathpnt sVciCifj,, i» 62 That Romeis Bahylony and the Pofe cauillcth, the enemiesof Chrijl ^andSathans jottldiers\ they were fo,fo long as they gauetheit power andkingdome to the heafi • hue now they are Gods armie , and thccaptaines of the Lords bofle, to fight his battels againftthc beaft and the where, vntiii ihey haue wrought his ludgemcntvp* on them. Weigh the text ( gentle reader ) and ccnfidcr well how readily it yeeldeth thee that thatwec fay thereof: and hereby con- criuc,in what a pitifull cafe M. B>(hop was, when hee wasfainero pafic it ouer as hec hath done. Yet his fcllowcs are beholding to him , that hee laieth liiHily about him with words , and fcemcth to haue a good courage , howfoeucr if he weighed the place at all , it coujd 7 hat Rome is Bdhylon^ and the Pope Antidrift, 6 5 jcould not be , but tlut in his ownc bofomc lie wa* vvcli priuic , that his caufeVas quiic vndonc. VV. Bishop. "'Bnt iotiproceeda>}dfny^^3i0.yjhitweft4nheyho^d,tbat ihe blond 'he Ht tn Hiertif.ilem. yc is a coy.f- -ion of men, and matter.c^pjr vpcj aj that , he blood ofma- iitnts rehearfcdtnthe y^poc. rvas pjed ifj Home by the ijrannicall^^^*^-^'^- peroj^rs but t he tnar tyring of tl^ofe two prtKcipa// ivitnefjes , Enoch : ]:MjiS.( recorded m t he eieMenth of the f^mc'^jhallbe nt HternlrJem, j['\vr!l_becanfe thetext isvery pl:iineforit\ {pecifyir:g ihdit their bo-vcrf.g. ^ diall licinihe llrccts of that great cicie, where the Lord was ;Lifie(i ^ iii for that iheordtJinrie Interpreters cf ih.n place c^ofo tikf t. Bttt M Vc\\z.\n'ihoidetb^ that the placenhere Chriji wa^ crucified ^ 'fTtji/iet''ohere»ot Hieritfalern but Rome ; becaufe Chnfi vptucrucijud h:re in his members : fo it wght at well/igMifie any other plncc of per - ectitmn^oA Rome.the rc.ifon therefore being nouoht worthy hefortifieih • -vith the name ofS}\\cv(.W)c^butcitcthtntloemurgentaleittroft\vo -! (40 H4 matrons , Paula and Eiiftochium. Goodfr, ifS. Hicron)eg^-jj"j7- ,4J meant that that Epiflle pjvuld haue had his authontie ^heervould jauefet it out in his t>rv»e name , which feeing bee thought not expedi- 'int.fettheafithorttie ofitafide ^ andvrgehtsreafons , ifyouthtnke it poorthjour labour , andyofiP^aHbe anfvcered. In the meanefeafon ( / kope)Allfober Chrtfitans , xvtUtake the place xvhere our Sautour Chnff VM nailed on the crofjejo (ignite rather Hterufalem , then Rome, And ronfen^ue^tly^all that you haue alleadged out of Scripture ^toprooue the vbore of Babylon to pgnre the ecclefia/licallJlAte of Rome ^ not to bee vottharufb. R. Abbot. That which i^/. Pry^w/alledgcthjisaccordingtotheircommon "ancicjthat Antichriftfhall hauchis feat and kingdomcatHierufa- cm,& thcrcfo c Oial there flicd thcbloud of the Martyrs of Chrill. -orfomofthcm^, crcciuing,as-rT/^//Z'(7^mightdo,if hiscyes were natchcsjthat the prophecy of i*. lohn cannot be determined vnder 1-c heathen E.rpirc of Rome, doc port vsx)ffto Hicrnfalcra , there, o Und fben^bcrc of Babylon drunkf with the bloudofGods Saints, and fl niaiiifcftly pointed cut for the pUce thereof. But as touching the place of the death ofthofe motvitnefest M. Verk^m rightly faithj'hat it is not meant of Hietufalem, but of Rome. It is called thegrsai Cffje,ind what ths great city importcth wee vndcr- ^chap.17.18. ftand by the mention of it afterwards, ^ the great city that ra:gKeth cHiemi.in jfm; oucr the Ktngs ofthc edtth. That vva.5 Rome, and not Hieiufalcm^al uim*or.inim hath bccne befofc declared. Hienifjlem was deflroyed 20 yeares. \ "'TT'T'^-vf ^^ ""'o^'^ before S. Io6»Cav\; this Rcuelation ^ and '^ pco^ f'J/en mo dafi fid\onfumr,muo'foretieryisHieromeipt^\iQK\\ , the ruinej oxdefirH^ions-ihereoJpiaR wm fecidt rtiitu cominuev»tHl the worlds ende. ^ Etten to the end of theworld , faith manfirtefuHt. Theodoretythe conjumrnatton of her dejoUttorj fhall comtnue wnhont 4- i>a»c!^'*p'}ue"J"^^'*'*^^- The words of the Prophets are fully vereficd in her,« axfinemfcuii ' Ivptllirea^e this city as a man breadth a^otters ve(fell , that cann(4%, con[umrmt,ode- y^^^dc U'bole a^atNeJ Sim (ha/^ ^^^ ploxvedas ^fie/d,^nd HterMem"^ -uUamttauone (ball be anbeape,tind the moHntaine efthe hoHjePjall be asthe highfta- Iierfm i'?.ii. ^^^ oftbeforrcft. Saue onely for three turrets , anda part ofthc wals /Mich.j.u. on the Weft fidcjleft to Oiew what a citie the Romanes had ouf r^ ^l£l!'.c'!x'i''& come,, it was fo dcftroyed ? to the verjf foundations , as fofephw re- 38. cordcth., and laid fop tt, as that fKenwoftld hardly haue thonght that ^^ln"Mtcb.c'ifJ^'^'^'^^^^^"' ^V h Ah hat ion there. Oncly t^/ifu ^drta^w the I'jfUaiju^nunc Empjrour builtneercvntoit another citic,whichofhis own name "nura&T becalled c^/m, which fince hath gone with Chrftiansvnder the Mrtano^eke nimc ofHierufalem,but hath indeed neither the fapf ion »er ftuattoH "af.^tllT'xHH, ofHterjifalem , as Aria4 Montanns noteth for the iuftifying of that ijunfaacmn3-- pophccy, and therefore is but wrongly and corruptly called by Vuteuiuod& that name. Therefore th.-re neither is, nor fiiall be any Hicrufa- *h(iuraf*.dam J^m f^jf Antichtift toraigne in , nory^r^-^/zof Hicrufalem , wherein v'eftigta&T- the corffesofthofe trvo mtnejfes fhould lie. To prooue that Hiciufa- /cn>rw./y2( w4]cm is not there vnderftoodj/I'/.i'rri^^/ bringeth the teftimonic mfejtitirguHn', q^ ^ifrff^s i2\iXW,y,t\itQnm\hQXi^m"*"> 'A ailed Sodoinc and Egypt, and it isy^/r//«<»//7 the place where our .ord wascrucfficd. Now the citie where our Lord was corporal- irciucjficd bccing vcterly pcnflicd , there is no other frrj'f/ry to which we hauewiyreafonin fpecial manner toxcicxrcix fpiritually. Ml onely the city of Rome. ' By authority of the Romane Emmre. , ^, ^ r s the Rhemilts rightly acknowledge , Chrtjt ioimfclfe w.isp/a to ^■i'i„ot..ij,oc. eathj and by the fame Ronulli auchoricie the members of Chrilt ''^'^^' /ere pur to Jeaih,borh in Rome it Itlfc , and throughout the vvh( le otld. The members of Chrift arc fprnthai/y Chri{\; hccrcckoneth odaccouiucth them as himfclfc. Of the members ollus my Oi- F call 6 6 That Rome is Bah^ioft, and the Pope Anti chrijl. m Math.s5.40. callbody,he faith; "^ Inasmuch ai ye bane done it te one of the leafl ^f 0 Oagen.m ic thcfc mji brethren y ye haue done it vnto me,'' Saul^ Saul^ nhy perjecft, rem hom-i \'.?er fgff j^j,^ ^^ ? o j^ ^^^^„ ^c ^^^ manyrs lefus is Condemned. If a Chri. Jingum many- ' . . 1 1 ir t t ■ >^) -a • 1 n 1 re>U(tH condera- Jf fan be condemned onelj for that heets a Chrtjttan^u is Chrtjt that is Ta'tZ'cinifr' coridemned, T hereforc thofe tilings that are done to rl-^e fdithfuJl ftHsprohectW' for thc name and faith of Chril},arc termed ? Chrifls fujfrij^gs^'^the fiZ,rf/,cbH- ^'"^^^ ^f ^^" ^''^^ ^^f"*^ ' ' ^^^ reproach of Chrifi, ^ the marines of the fius tft quiconf Lord lefm,^ therein they arc fayd ' to he cructfiedmth Chrifi. Sce- ^'phif.T.ro. J"g tl^^" f '"'^ bloud ofthe martyrs hath been Ihed fo abundantly in 5 i.cor.i.o. the ftreetes &fRomckk\{^, and byauthority from Romc,rhe like / GaLfiX'^' bloud bath been fhedandfpiltin thc ftreetes of all other cities and 1 jbid.-2.i?. places throughout thc world^whichbecaufethey werevnderthc dominion ofthe citieof Rome, may well bcc ca.\lcd the fireett of i?o»?^, thcrcforeRomc aboue all other is the place whereof It may be truly fayd, thatit is the ore at citie where fpiritually onr Lord m eracified, and inthejireets whereof thc Lordsmtnejfes were f]ain< And that Chrift was crucified at Rome,>^,^/y^cpmuftnotdenj becaufehemuftnotdcnythat which Amhofe reportcth concci ^^'^"fnOm' "'ng^^^'^^-' being crucified at Rome. He tclleth, that" xvhen thl (oncli'usuit. Pagan infidels fought for Peter to put him to death, thefaithftillreejuA fled him that for a v&htle he pjmldgo aftde^ and(hould referue himfel^ to inftru^ andjirengthen the people ofChrtji . Whereupon at night he vt>ai going oHt^ and feeing Chrifl to meete him tn the gate ^ and to be en- X Tiefptfidlt (ring into the citie, hefatth vnto htm. Lord, rvbtthergoeft thouf Chrifi ■B^rMmiunlm anfvuercd^lcometo Rome to be cruct^ed againe . Peter then vnder- fmciPiuimei. fiood^that chrifi was in his ferttant to be crucifed agame . Therefore tmqufdtumm he Went b acke of his owne accord, andwhen the Chrtftans demaundei chriflus eratcm- ffjg matter. he zaHe them this a^frver^ and beinaftratfht waves taken he tipgtndus infer- , n j r T J i r c- u U \u • u ^ r "^ f n vuio,&c. . glorified ihe Lord lefui. Sithtnen that m the crucirymgcf jP^W Chri ft was crucified, and r^f^y was crucificdatRome,it cannot be denied but that Chrirt alfowas crucified at Rome, and therefore that Romeis rightly called thc citie where our Lord was crucified. y ^reth.in Ksfovt.hsiXth9ix\\cc[mhtthat the twowitneJ]es there fpoken of, are "Juiowp^^cZlm Enoch and Eliai, n is a meerc fable , and hath no probabilitie or chrifliimaria.. Jikellhood of truth. Somc curious heads finding mcnticn of two rlclptMnlfti* Vfitneffes^mufk needs vfc their wits to deuife to what two particular • iicchvemurum mcj] tlicy might apply that name. Arethoi faith, ^ that/> veascon- rheZ"}f. "* ftantlj receim^that they ^onld be Enoch md EltM • Bu t VtUorinusy wha ^ i Thtt Rome is Babylon j and tl*e Pope Antichrift. 6 7 A/ho was farrc more ancicnttlicn Aretha^, tcJJeth vs othcrwife. \ Mdtyiy thtiik^ ^chcy did but chinke) that one of thefexvitmQet is J^y^^„l„^ EliM.the other ^either EliA^tu or AiofeSt^ut they are bothdedd. Adary^ -*'P<'it. he wttnefeoftrvois rr«r,God therby gluing to vndcrfhndjthat not- w»n «"« »«lm- Aichftandinj'the fury ofthcbcaft, and the cruelty of perfecutors ""'■i^"""'^''" inJ tyrants, yet he Will neuer want r»rtf»//»f//f/, that is, KwuxcxziMtradidcmmtiiuru or the iufhfy ing of his truih.Wc may otherwifc though to the fame 'If^J'"'"'"''''- -,- r\ r ■ I 1 / / r 1 /Ml I * Hilir.m Matt. •ttca rcterrc it to itic ""two oliue vranches Ipokcn or by the Prophet c.:>i 20, Mofindr ^.icWr, which diddropoile into the lampc that wastoburncand 5?f '" '^'"".f"'" ^lue light before the Lord, as to Iignifie that God would prouidcw prxMn^mrs 111 waicstahaue foinc by whom he would prcfcrue the light of the ctn/h^c *^'"*' iChurch,and nolelfc vphold it, then by i\\c tn>o oliue branches ^t\\^t n^hns.ij: t|S,thckingdomeandthcPrie(fhood,hcdidamopg{i the pcopleof '■^*"=^-4'3-'-- i jhc Icwcs. 5. Aupin in his Homilies vpon the Apocalypj, if at leaft I he were the author of them, expoundeth'*f6(? rtr^ nit^e^cs to bee d.^«^tty7,,« I \he mo TejiAmtnts, whom Bedii alfo folio weth therein: and that we ^j'J^f^Z'^' |lnay knowihe vanity of that tale of £«or^ and £■/?<*/, hce faith tliat \\ their conceit is wholly excludedf who thinly that thofe two wiinejfes e^Auguji.thd. Xhatlbetwocertatne men^ and that they heafcendedtoheauen in the^/'J^^J'^'^J^^^ * flowdes i>efore the camming of(^hri^. For how^(^\i\\ he ^fljouldt he inha- qm putj>jt has i ntAntJ of the earth retoice of the death oft wo, when 4* they (houlddte '^''"' ''•(I"' i'"" \ n one Cttj f and howpjoa/dthey fendgtfs one to another y tf there he but alwn/tm QLuj. . ' hree dAtes^rhat before they can remce of their death ^ they flj.ill haue Jj?t^^!.%*t!" iorrow Agame of their refarreclion? He gathcrcth out of the very text modoimer,, irfclfc, that the piacccannot bemeant ofc^o particular men, ^^-^jtllil'Znamdt i:3ufe the inhabitants through the world can haue no fuch rcioi* '^«i'••nf, fmght be fucked ; fpecially n>aightng well, nbat hee hath xvrttten vnto- aifug'it. ^g ofthfmtQ whom beffeaketh tbw^ Go tO;]ct vs ycc cnqurre more diligcntl/" y That Rome is B dhylon^and the P ope ^ntichriji. 69 "diligently, who thou arc , and what perfon thou bcarcft in the Church ofGod , during the time. Who art thou ? A great Pricft, ^hc highert Bil^op ; thou art the Piincc of Bifliops , the hcircof die Apoftlcs , and in dignitic Aaron j in authoritic , Afofes, in '?owcr, Peter y thou art hcc to whom the kcyes were dcHuered , to whom the lliccpc were committed : There arc indeed alfo other Porters of Hcaucn, and Paftors of flockcs; but thou art fo much the norc glorious, as thou hafi inherited a more excellent name a- jcue them : they haue their floclccs allotted to them , to each man >ne : but to thee all were committed, as one flockc to one man : hou art not onely Paftor of the Hicepe, but ofall other Paftors, hou alone arc thePaftor. And much mare tothis ^urfofe ^vdhicbbe- ng his cUere ofimon of the P ope , hovfahfnrd it is, out ofcertaine blind Uces^and broken fentences of his together , that he thought the Pope fR ome to be neither ^heep e, nor Pajior ofChrtjis Church , but very rinttchriji hi^felfe. There is 4.gro(fe fault , tttfo in the Canon of Pope NichoIiS as hee itcthic: that the Pope was to bee created by the Cardinals, Bi- hops of Rome. As though there xvere fame thirtieorfourtic Bt/hofs fRome a t oneejfut of the matter of elegit on elfe where, R. Abbot. Iconfe(rcthepIacesofi'.5f»'«4r;« the temple of ^^^-^^^.^^ ^^ j#^,and therefore the officers of the temple of God fhall bee fubicd nto him That which by inftitution is the honfeofGod ^ fliallby lis occupation becorwznden oftheeues: they who by dutic nrc fub- :6is, fhall in following him be rebels and trairors;paftors fhall be- lome bcafts'jWatchmen fhall be blind men,and rhcy who haue pl.i. ca'j'f^r.i'ijir cs for ouevfc, fhall turncthem to another. Thus S. Bernard [^\th »-fl"Ciinfufuwt »i the Clcargicof Pome i*' They are the mtniflersofChnfi ^ and they 'i,(i",'llo,"' F 3 ferite c liiifsrpit be yo That Borne is Babyhfi^ mdthe Pofe Antichrijt, %rl»m*!0rm ftrtfc AnttchrtH : tlic tme vie of their places is the feruicc of Cbrift, ecdifi.e,& q;io u- ^^^ j^gy flbufc tlic iaiiie tothc helping forwaid otthc kingdome Vilq\pmatf-' ot Antichrilh Hcdelcribethatlaigeintharplaccthc horrible cor. jiui. iii(*iKtsmn. fuption of the Cl urch of Rome "^ A^lthy comagioH , faith he,*? cree- in[^mbUueJ png thrmgh the whole bodie of the Clmrch , byhorv much the more ge- fMga, euUfi*, tier al/y, f 0 much the morede(ferately\andfo much the more dafigeronjlj Ta,'a turpi t- pkccs by Sjmonic,and abufcd the m to luxurie and all cxcclTc. He ■^ ^V'^^llTvt complaiiieth thst •* the plague of the Church wm imvard Andmcura- icim dt medto jl^ ble^zn6 t\\7tthy filihieltfe^by fiithy lusrejby filthy comfafij ^andby the '^'""""ZTj" WAttei'that ivalhth inthedarke, thatis.by Simooic. Hceconclu- ce.tdoifi quttn dctb tbu , * it tsmatneth^thAt themone vpalkjng dtuel be brought forth " fuv*ilifp!r- tofedi^cejif there beany tn Chrtfl^yet continuing t» their fmphcitit The mnacnisiinptH' fame ii Antichrtfi n ho JhaH counterfeit him/e/fete be not onelyday, but ^i tft'Xlc'riff nooneday,4ndlhaUbe exaltedaboue allthat u called Go^^e. Againe, l| qu: fe ^ onfoium i^auittg vpoH aiiothcr occsfion aficrvvstds crtfed iota thelikcdK- . tZit'TKii- cciufeof ibc ftrangcceclimtionof theft3feofthc<:bu!ch,hefn. ' ftur. {Jeih in bkefor'i^// rematneth, that the man of (mne bereueakd ^the ]Jn:It)'ef^\fu. /e««^ ofperditinn^ 0-c. He (aw not that the Pope was Antichrift^yec ftrejivt reiieie. '^q f^yv that tbc Chufch wss thcH h)' thc gouemmcnt of the Pope as urjo^opucm, j^^j.^p fad Jed and bridlcd,andfijllyfurni(licdfor Anticbrift to gee ^idemejift vD and tide vpoH. Yea and it appearcth h\ ih^iXih^it M. Perkins ^poca/yi'fcui Iccondiy €itctn,tbat he did not thinke J^. /'fffr/chawetobc vnca- j Atrumcjiosi^ pable of Antichnrt > in that hecfaith '.^Thebe^J^fpokenoftntheRe. I fmas&beiium ucUtion , tovphtch tugtuenamouth iptatztnghlafphemtes yandtomake genre aim ftnat! ^arrevntth the Satnts, pofejfeth the chaJre of Peter , as a Lyonreadteto Petri [idem occu- , , . r i l j j r l * • i "^ l jiat,u>iqHim Leo the prey. He Ipalcc this indccd ot thc Antipope, butyct Jtappeareth E'"'"'^'''' '^^^ ^^^ ^^^^ the time then ficting for thc kint'dome of Amichrift, h Juent.^mutl. and that Antichrift might be likely to fit in Peters chaire,and thcrc- FJd!h!'Jndum"* ^^""^ wasnot farre from feeing and deeming that thc Pope was An- procenaom ^n- tichtift But whdt hcc faw not , others had fecnebeferc that time, ^^!!zdt^:S'ulo ^J"*^" "^ ^'*"1 *" their Sermons , as v^w«//»«fx faith .didpubltkelyde- cirtjit, imuiba;\ liuet , that Htldebrand was Anttchrtfi\ t hat vnder the ttt'e of Chrtfljsi t^^t^ '^'^'^^ H'^^'Q' of^mkhrtfi. He fittethm Babylon , faid rhcy , m tht Jn BrJ>yio;2ta in temple oj God\ he ii exalted about all that is pforjhipped , as if heewere ^slpcrct'J^'fd' "^'^y ^^^ ' ^^ boafleth that he cannot erre: whatfoeuer he faith, be ta^ fiod lUttur ex- keth ft to be the law of God. Thc fame AuenUnm mcntioncth , that ^.oUituripiiiftde- That ^ome is Buhylon^ And the Pope tyfntkhrifl. 7 1 ^^^ ^^^^ ^Mmojf all good and pUitte mett^that dealt iH/}/jf^iMgeuitouJlf,aMd/tmp/f omntibo>i$^p«r. itdtheit deliuer in rvrtring^that ihekjngdom of Anttchnji wot then he- fi'^pu^e"'^""" ' •Me I turrritU- \ gUHy for that they faw that thofe things were then come to paffe ^vrhich P""*^-^"'*- i Chrifi our Sautottr badfpoken offo many ye ares before . L<^»g a 1 1 c r t h a t quod /Jj,lt chr, . I he bringcth in Eherhard the ArchbiOiop of lunauia , ofwhom I /j"^ fruMtmo fpakc beforc,rnying, '' Vnder the title ofthehtghejl B/fjop, the gar- te»ob^ ff'»- i Htldebrandy lairh he , a hundred. rndjenenty years a^oe ^ dtdfirjtvnder memory Itte, a. {hexvofreltgion laythefoHdatfon of the Emftreof 4nttchrifi,^c.Thofe ''y"j^''J'^^' Pr lefts of Babylon dejire to raigne alone ; they can tndnre no ajuall. Hct Suh Ponc.m.i'xi. I that is the feruant offernants coueteth to be Lord of Lords , e»en 44 ""'"^''-P"/^^- ' though he were God. Hee'fpeat^ih great words as though he veere God, ftinjfimitmmft I euen that wicked man , whom th.-rare tvont to call Aniichnfi,fnvfhofe "" ^'*'!f,'f'i'*' I forehead a name ofhlufphem:e is rvrittenjam Goi^I cannot erre. J h us thc thrrd, bcingexcreameIvarfli-^<-""-f%'"«> : acd and gricucd,co fee the dcfolat.on and confufion ofihc Church, ^J^'^^^,, t by thcpradlifeso/theBifhopofRomca litde before his death cal- tear.acFiam.. IcdfomcofhisClcargicto him, and by argument and reafoninfor- IZfolr^Lre mcd them/ hat the Pope was Ancichriff, for that he was '^adeJiroyer.<"fi:<»'-ftrrtpa' cffou/es, (or th^t he by hii n /\Jon ob/f ante y\ohic^ • mifcheifcs and inconucnicnccs in the Church , &c. 1 omit many "pl^nde ^julut other that mijiht be brouglit particularly acknowlcdojn^ and tcfti-/f''«''/'f«/"N fying this point: but by thcie It miy appcarc, that both before the ^„«;», '">'=&>e- ucd AnacletusiUc Antipopeto be Anrichrifl:, proucch all the Popes torui/ijfi^,a.'' (incc to haue bin Antichrifts , becaufe they liaue not beenc clc6tcd 2,?,^,'^,^,''.'''' according to that forme whereby he then maided Innocent ins to pote/iau Cartt- be the true bifhop of Rome, thatis .with confentofthc Empcrcur,^-^^'*"' f"/;*- the Princes or Chrilicndomc,and the wiiolc Clcargie, bcemg fince ffi-i^pefioiic^ chofcn by the Cardinals oncly. And this he furthcr'confirmcthby a f^l^^l^'^";^^ 6ecxcc o{ Pope Nicholas the fccond, for thcclctflionofthcPope, »Af^*/r*9«« thatit(halibc with the liking of thcP Empcroiir,andVrf"t>rmcd;;^;;;;;';;^^^^^^^^^ by 'I the Cardinal Bt(hops^butvDith theconfent ofthe-rejl of the Clear- nunrcLgiofofi, lUandLattteiand if any man^ faith he , beefet tn the ApofloUkefeate ^1^'^!*^,^,, F 4 mh. 72 7hAt Rome u BAhylon^ and the Pope Jntichriji. fettfiu mhr»d%f.' xvithom t heferefaU cor.cording aKdcnnomcall eUUioti of the Cardtnaf/j TefJipo'iioUcu'^ andthe eofife'/itofthe religiomfiates follo'^ingthe Cleargie andL^itj, fed ^pojiaticM fjg pj^llj^t be ACcoumed Pope or Apoflolicall.bftt j^poflAtic4,wih'\c\\ i$. as much to fay, as Antichriftian. Xhe Popes then bceing not now, nor hriUingbeeneoflong time chofcn by this rukjbut onely by the CoHedgc ol^Caidinals^are found to be Apoftatacs and Amichtids by thefcntenceand decree of the Pops h\xx\k\i^. Viiihcno M.BtpJof faith nota wordjthough HcconfefTe that he knewy^/. P/?ri^«»x mea- ning well enough , which indeed was fomewhat amiflc fet downc, by putting the Antipope called Innocentivu tor the Tope called Inno- cemitis. He had nothing wheiby to excufc the Pope from being An- " tichrift eucn by his ownc decrees , and therefore putteth the matter oucr to another place, where hceneucr meant to fay any thing of it. Ondy in the crtd he chargeth M. P^erkins with zgrojje fault in ci- ting the Canon of Pope Nichelas^ot faying that the Pope vcas to bee createdby the Cardinals ^bt^ops ofRome-^as tbough,Cmb hCytherexvere fomethirtieorfortieBipjopspfRome. Belike it was darke, and hi» eyes did not well fcruc him , or elfc he might haue fecnc , that M\ Perkjtts did not fay , bj the Cardinals, Btfh ops of Rome ,as hec hath fee downc, and pointed amiflc , but by the CardmallBtfhops of Rome, that is, by the Cardinals of Rome which are Billiops. Forthey are allCardinalsof Rome,bMtfomcareCW;W/5;/27«i^/, fome Cardi* nail Priefis ^{omc Cardinall Deacons f and according to thisdidin- ^ion 7yl. Perkins named the Cardinall Bi/heps of Rome , the Popes Canon requiring the Cardinall Bipjops to bee the Elcdlors of the Pope. As touching that which y)^f.J?//^o^ citeth o\xtoi S.Bernard for his opinion of the Pope, I anfwcr him , that we doubt not , but t\\2itS.Bern4rdhsiA a very high opinion of the Popes place; but I anfwcr him withail , that 5. Bernard bad a higher opinion of the Popes placc,ihen he had of the Pope himfelfe. He knew well , that though the Popes place wercfuch in the Church of Chrift, as hec dcfcribcthittobe,yctthc Pope by the abufingofhis place, might be very Antichrift himfelfe. Hce wifheth Pope Eugenim toTcmem* bcrand confiderjwhatperfon, what place and office,acccrding to' his concciptjhc did beare m the Church, thereby to-mooue him vp- onconfcicnce thereof to the redrefling of thofe intolerable enor- mities and corruptions , that were then growne in the Church and Court of Rome. For in thofe bookcs Deconfdcratiotte, he doth pur- pofdy That Rome is Babylon ^and the Pope Antkhriji. 7 j ; pofcly bcndhimftlfcto lay forth the deformities and alufcsthcn ' prtfuailing; tofliew how the Hidiopof Rome by tcinpcrall domi- {nion and piinccly pompc,did degenerate from Peter and the fcft lofthc ApoOies, and didrather fucccf d 0«/?',ni,n ^ainfl thee ^from the leafteuen to the areatefl] from thefole of the foot %rtnTtilinL to the top of the head there ii nothing fonnd : imcjuitie is gene forth from 7""'" « /?«»(«• the ancients , the Judges , thyVicars xvhichfecme to gouerne tdy people. Kr-'u^l'V* AUi^ aUsf) Lord Cod ^ for they areforemojiinperfecutingthee, tvho -videmur rtgtre feeme to Iotte\tipremacie^andterbeareprincipaltt(ein thy Church. They ^^^^'J^J'/^^'l h.itte t akenpejfejj'ton of the toiver of S ion , they hauefetz^ed vpon the Oomi>:e Dati> Tnmitions thereof^ and thenceforth freely and by authoritie they betray \Tf!ctiumtiua. the whole eitie to thefire.Their wretched conuerfationis the miferable P'^'""V"'^'^^' fHbHerJion of thy people , (-re. Thefacreddecrees and orders are yeelded Z^Ligfrepri. to opportunttte of filthy lucre: the famn a offoules is the thmq lafl thought f"-i""»-gf of. The rejtaljo deale mckealy agamjt Cbrtjt, and there are many An- ccm Sion xcupt.. tichrifls in our times. Now the due confideration of the fe words wee /■■'•";««•'»;?'''- fuppofc may fomewhat qualifie M. Bi(hops opinion ofthe words uonti.&vmwti by himfclfcailcadocd.bccaufc hereby we plainelv vndcrftand ,not/T'^""^^^*/i ^ \ I I ?/-or 11 r n T, , libelee!' po$ijU. by broken , but by perfect ienrenccs , that whatloeucr5. Bernard nue traduw,>u conceiucd ofthe dignity and duty of thcPopes place , yet that hee ^M'r«ra%'um""' very well raw,that by cuiil vfage thereof the Popes in his time were coituerfatto pUbis become the very enemies and perfecutors ofChtirt, ciien they who '/';' "'f"''f^" rtri\irtf III/ lubtittjiotjl,(^c. (as he faith ) were Christ s ytear: , and had thefupremacie andprinci. Datifumfim p»i//yi> in the Church ofChrift. Andfowc f^nd that the high Prica57J;:;;V/«c«'' of ihclewcs , who by Godsowne ordinance and inftitution was a &<:■ Deavma., figure of Chrif^,and fate in the place of Chrirt.yet by Apoftafie and Zit^ll^Li. iniquitic became an Anricbr]f^,a pcrfecutorof Chrift/andfolemn- t(i,&c.iuj!te iygaue fentencc againftChrift. In like fort therefore nothing let- '^',"1 c^"/Iw, ieth,but that (he Pope may now be Antichii(t, albeit his place had rnuinr^,^ mjhu bin aitKe fit(i appointed by Chrirt : but much more now, in that Silfel/k"" his 74 ^^^ ^^^^ ^^ Bahylon^nd the Pofi Antkhrift, his place isnocluiineinlHcucion,butoncly humane prefumption, affecSlcd by ambition, attempted by rebdlion,yeclded vntoby fu- pet(btJon,eftabl!flncdand polreffcd by tyrannic and cr«cltie,l«y viU lanicand trcachfiie: vpbolden by the deuiccs of Sycophants and P.arafites ,\vhohauc vfedall manner falHiood and deceit toin- it&. in*o the mindes of men an opinion ofit. J'.^^r»/*r^tbcrforc by en our attributed to the Pope that u hich indeed is none of his : and although fot the credit of the Popes authoritie , healleadgefome : uordsoutofthcGofpcl?fedtoi'./^*f#r,ycthc bringeth no Scrip- ■ ture to piouc,either that that \vhi<:h hcegiucthtothcPopcin that : dcfcription , did cucr belong to Peter^ox thgt that which in thcGo- ■ (pel is fpokcn to iP^rtfr, belongeth to the Pope. Hecattribucethto ftuesprmiefs^ the Popcto be ^ prtncc fffBt/hopSyZnd highejt Bipjopyd'irc&iy nv^SiMj, Epifcoporum, f j^g dectcc of thc African CounceU,pnc Canon whereof is,that' /(&« tCMdi ^phrk. 'Btpjop ofthefirffsA (which was Rome ) (Ijould not he calUd prince fij TdfrVr"^^ ^'P^°?^ > '"' ^'g^^ft Bi(h(fp , orfucb like , hut enelj the Bt^op oft hefirA mn appMetur Je4. His cn our therefore i? apparant in this point, by the fentcnc^ Vrinccps facer- of thc CounccU, but it IS moFc abfurd in fomc oihcr words that he< mtafa^rdos , out vlcth , howlocucr wc prcfumc that bis meaning was roorctolcrabh mlquUhutuf.^ then his word-<. Fortofay ashedcth , that the Popcis"^y<7ri/« moil fed unium ,-,,._, ,, . ^ ^t a i n r> i ■' frimxfedis Epi[^ Melchtfedec^andby annotntwgChrtjt, what conliruction nee wouif ""/f J 1^ ; u: tnake of his owne words we know notjand M, BtOjop by omittim feiccvnciKnt tholc word$,lhcwcih that he wasalhamcd o\ mcm,but wee knovH chrtfim. that it foundcth little Icffc then blafp hemic againft Chrift, VV. Bishop. M.Perkins hatting lightly sktrmi/hed with ahrekenfentenceortWi ^Ht of one Catholtke Author , flieth to a late heretike called Joschim^ andcjuoteth Icwclfor relator of it. Ay»orPjtpfttlltej}imo»ieofoneHe4 retike^a^d that vpon the report of another : and hee the moft lying Au thor ofthefe dates. As for the late Poet Pctra rch , his words might ea . ftlj^ife anfveeredjbut becaufe he qnoteth noplace , Iwillnotjlandto am fveer it. But to clofe vpthis ^rji comhate , a fentence isfet downe omo thefamout Martyr Irenaeus , that Antichrifi (hould be Lateiiios ,( Romane. Here be as many faults as trordt. That learned aunctent Do fior difcourffhg of Antichrifi hU proper name , out ofthefe words oftk Cap-i J. RcHeUtion, c he number of thc beail is 6 66, and obfiruing t'he letteh That Rmteis'BahylcnjandthePope Antichrijl. 75*. ^fthe Greekf ^/ph^het, {by vchich they donnmher^as rredo by cjphcrt) ftuh : that Atnorg others the vnord L.itc»nosW<»/A c$ntatnt tho(c idlers j which amofiMt tnji to the number of 666. and confecfuentlj that Antu I thrsfis proper name perh*psmt^ht be Latciiios, but more hli^ly it u t« \ ^Tci'an, M he JHtih there ^ And Ufily, that tt is moftvncertatne what his namefhAll be^ See the place [gentle Reader ) and learns to bcvmrt offttchdecettfullmerchants, as mal^ no confcience to Corrupt the beji ylMthors: and beetngoften warned of it , mil netifr learne to amend. Ircnasus leauetbtt mojl daub, full what /ball be Anttchrifls n^me : And awoKgdttters words ejieemeih Lattinos to hte the vnlikehell. And yet M. Perkins reporteth h,m to fay rejolntely , that his name (hallbee Lateinos : and then to make vp the matter, ttirneth Latcinos ,a proper K.tmewiih S.hcnxus into Romane^an appellatifte^which noteth only his countrey. Fie vpon that canfe^which canmt bee vpholdeu and matntaif nedjftii by a number of fttch paltry (htfts, R. Abbot. Ic foUowcth not that cucry man who \6 a jsoin c of doftrinc con- ceiiieth ami(Tc,is prefently an hcrctike/or fo many (hould be hcre- likes both of auncicnierand later writirs ,who nocwithftanding by-/!/. ^/y2'£>phimfdfe are reckoned for good Catholikes. /o4r/{»/iw indeed dcliucred again(^ Peter Lombard,^ pernicious opinion con- cerning the Godhead. The councell oFZ^/^r4»«' condemned his opinion,bur becaufe he was not wilfuil in his errour, it made no hc- rctikc ot'hiin. Therefore in that councdl it is noted in the mar- gcnt, * Not loachim bimfclfe, but hts booke is^ condemned. M.Bt^op a Ceueii.Ute^ rhcrforcistoo prcfumptuous, to pronounce him anherccike, whom ^'jl'j^^''!/-, the councell did not fo pronounce. J14. Perl^tns citcth the wotdes ioichtmy(ed€iia o( loachim out of Bi(hop lewels fermons , but hee is alfo reieded ^'^" '^'«f*'- as another heretike,ycA and the mofi lying Author ofthefe dates. But we would gladly haue M. Bt[bo^ to Icarr.c thatpoiniofhoncft ci- uilitie and good manncrs,not to fperkefo rudely of them vvhomhec knowcthnot- 1 daic fay hce ncuer read B»fhop/^»^/, nor doth know whether he icl truth or not;only the Ma^ijiri nofirt h^uc told him that io he muftfay. And indeed it concerneth them that 5//Z?w , *= Celeftinui the third becing to crowne the Emperour JF/if«r/> the h'xt , tookcthe Crowne betwixt his two feeie, andmadc thcEaiperour tobowe downe,that with hisfecte he might fetit vpon his iiead, which ha- uing^one,withofieofhis feet heeftrookeitoffagaine^ogiuehim tovnderftand, that itwasinhispowcragaineto bcrcaue him of the Crowne, AsforPtf/r4r' \ r 1 gioriabtrMtr. ^ tftngauthor. Againc, he iaith that Irenaus meaneth tt to be a pro- per a \. 30. *. I. «r. 300. *. y. 1. 10. f. fo. •, 70. /. 20U, 1 66$, e Irtrutu) lib. 5. Sed^ •A«TI/MC T 300, ( 5- 1 10. ■ T 500, a I. t fo. That Rome is Bahylon^ and the Pope Antichrifl, 7 7 terfiAnteyWhereas-Vfeemake it an aopel/atme. But this nppcarcth to bcfjlfc, by the reafon that IS giucii by /rr» nothing, bccaufc that name by !,c Popes ownc decrees ligiiteth fully vpon hiirilclfe. For Tft^w.as f>t6. ^r«««i »<■■'»*•' c\fc^ the Suftne, ind rhcEmpcrour/^tf Adoone^ andwill liairc vs to nonwKniuntnr flihinke,thnt To much as the Moone is lelFi r then the Siinne,fo much ZT ^n'^^' WWW eft. Is the Empcrour infcriour to him. Thanis a name applied tald^ls, ^ J^^"* ah faith /m;-«w, and what is the Pope lutanU^oH, caricd vp and ^;'g'-/;^^'"'"'' lio.vnc vpon mens (liouldershke an Idoll, bedecked hk^an Idoli,Mf'<-^'"''« .ubHkly adored and woiOiipped like an Idoll? Tiia}i, fiith he, i^^a tZ"J^tn7»t nmecomainingoftefittitton of refietige J ar,d who h.ith cucr morc'"^P'""'y^'^''' «J^ iroudly vaunted rcucnge then the Hope hath dome, whofc Me a- "^" '^#'^»^"*' linft fuchasoffcnd \\\mw(ua\\s\s&i'u,' JVt decrte that hee fhall he i»5f« G<«. tterly accstrfed : ^ tve bind htm wtth a hond ofperpetu^ll curfe : ^ let '^ utcretal- de im kf'orv that he (ba/lt^curre the tndt^natton of Almiahty God, and h'erct.caf.Aia-. fthe hiejfed Apoflles Peter and Paul ? yea and not oncly by words, 1 ExirZ'^g de »iitby dcedcsha-vhrmdc eucn the earth to gr one, and the Princes "^'^'''■'i'*'' f*/"* hereof to ftagger and fall vndtr the burden of his reucnge. But &plfflm. '^'"' fthisnarrcalf()/r^«cf:«/*.villaffrmcnothing,andthcrcforefouuh- "^(^fn""o-P>H- y M. Bfjhop [why that /renatts leanet^it vncerti^ine and doubt f ull nneAimpittto. that hi^namefhaltbe. Andfo hedbrh indeed, but with this dire- »*'»P"i^'^»- lion, that "^ the fttrejlvpay andrvtthout danger ^ htoivaiiefartheff/l- Mil^ofthe Prophecie. Now the fulhlhngof the prophecic hath ladcthat dcare and ccrtaine to vs, which fonie did conic 6^ijrc !>cn, and cowld but conJc(flurc, being fo many hundred yccre? cforethchilfillingohf. The number ofrhe name of" /^r ^(?^j?, «Afoc ij.18 haiisjof Anrichtiftjis fct downe in tl c thirteenth chapter Afrcr- wrds in the fcucntecoth chaptcr,many things arc further addedfor ic better vnderliandingof all that went before. Now there wee ffldcrftand,thatAntichnli (hall bee ' n (^i«^iiiatis,a$ before hath "Apoi. 17,9.70 bctnc />vcr.?.i5.- r verfe i 8. cUf.(T ordifuu, viimftMb.\.cap. a- Kegnum 1^* vtaTiorum. t J^auar. Ma* nual.Confeffiir. »« epifl-deikat. *dGregor.\i. 78 That Rcme U BAhylon^ md the Tope AnttchriJI, beenefaidjthchighsft goucmour of ftatc. Wee know alfo by ex. pcricnce, that a King takethhisnamcoflhccountrie,or place,or ftate whereof he is king. Thus are we wont to name kings, r^^*/^/*^ ofEftgUndj thekjf^g efDenmarkf^the French kiftg^ the. S^amfh kftt^. We muft therefore conceiuclikewifej that Antichrift being a king, murt cake his name of his kingdome, of the city or countre)' oucr whichhcraigneth. The place where Anrichrilt fnall raignc, isfct forth to be P the City v^onfeueH h'tls^raignrng then oner the Kings of th^ earth, which is vndoubtediy the City of Rome. Ancichrift- therefore rauft bauehis name from the inhabitants and people of Rome oner whom hee is to raignc, and the name that bee takcth from them, which is ^tmm Latine or Romaiaejiully cxprcllcth the number fixe hundred, fixty, fixe. But to giuc vs yet further light,it is noted that he (hall bd the ^enemklOng of the Latines, and hcc fliall bcc together with ' the ten Kings , to which the Empire of Romeflball bediuided. Thcfixtkingofthe Latincsweehaue be- ; fore fccne was the Empcrour. So then after the fall of the Empe-Jjl rour,and diflblution oftheEmpirc,f^ne Btfhsf Pauiinus , wbow^ a. man of no me ane marl^ buttbe Patriarke of Antiocb : bttt made his ajfuredfiaj/vpon the See ofRomCf M vpon an vnmoHeahle Roeks > ^'^^ tvhich (fait h he) tf vfv do not com" mttnicate infntth and Sacraments, rve are bw profane men ^voide of all Religton : Inaword^e belong to Chriji, bat be of tAnticbri^s tratnt. See, hov(>f.iit contrarie ibit moji holy anaent Father /V/tfM. Perkins, "M. Perkins woaldmakevs of Ant icbrffis band, bec^.ufe vce cleaue vn* to the Bifhopof Rome, ivhereas S. Hicrome holdeth all to appertaine to Antichrtfi , who be not f<«/? Imckedin matters of Reiigion^ mib the ^opc and See of Rome, ^y^ndfo to conclHdervttbihis point ^enery rr«*.|j Lih.%MSniu> CathoUkenfpiJifayvfiith S Ambrofe : I dcfirc inall things tofollow •' f.«f-9' jj^g church of Roidc. And thus much of his prologue * Afterward he tak^th vpon him toprefcribeandfhewe vs boxv farrefoorth wee maj toyneveith the Church of Rome,by propojing m^tny points in controuerpe hetvteene vs and them, and in each [hewing in what potnts wee confent together, and in what we dtfft f . / meane by Gods grace to follovoe him i Jiep by ftep, although he hath made many a dijorderiy one.ajwelltodif couer his deceit s^ and todtfproue their errors^as alfo to e(lab/i[h the Co- thoUkedocirineythe which Iwtll endeuour toperferme (by thehelpe of j GoU) with all /implicit ie of language ^ and with as much brewt/e 4S i . fuch a weightte matter will permit . Jet {lhope)wtth that perfpicaityf as the meaner learned may vnderfiand it^ and with fuch fubfiance iff proofe ^ both out of the holy Scriptures and ancient Fat hers ^ as the more iudtcious (to whofi profit if is principally dedicated) may not Cim* temnett. R. Abbot. What the dealing ofM.Perkjnt and M.Bifuop on each part hath becHjI leaucit to the Reader to iudge by e.xamimng of both , who ^I doubt nor will acknovvlcdge/'^f. Perkins fidcliticof allegations, -true conllrudionof holy Scriptures,andfufficicnt argument to make all men icalous of the Church ofRome. And Tccins Hicrom of That Rome is Babylon^ and the Pope AntichriJ}, % I Fold hath giu«n hghi(as before hath been ihcwcd) that of Rome : ; IS faicl, Go out of her mj' people, and there can be thenceforth no other Rome, to winch vvc may apply ir, but onelythe corrupted (lite ot the Chur(.lu)f Rome .-therefore he will take it(rprerumc) asavvarning from God, to take heed of, and tocfchucthc filthic fornications,idolatrics,and abaminationsofthat vnclcanc flrum- pct,and will deride the fiHinelfcofthofccolicdions, whereby y^. Ilfpjop labourcthtoperfvvadc the contraric. As for that which he fjith of vsvnder the mmc of herettkfs, th^t of /ate voefparednotto (hcd dhundance of their mo^ innocent bloud^'xt fettcth forth the lin- gular impudcncie,and remorlelcirc malice of thefc notorious hy- pocrites. Far whereas he talkcth of abundance of blottd^ he well knowcthjthatin fiueandfortieyearcsofQucene£//*«^tf//5^,therc was not fb much bioud of theirs Ihed by vs,as was ofours by them infiueyearcsof theraigneofQiicenc/I^4r>'. And whereas he cal- " rh it innocent blotid, they themfelues, Al. Bifhop I meane, and his low Seculars, by their Prod^or * fVatJon^ hauc cleared the State, a TVatfo>tt haumg iuft caufc to proceed againft the that were put to death; ^"^'^"*' ^^ainftthe Icfuites as immeditatc adors of treafon , againft the Prieftsas being employed by them for the effcd-ing thereof . It plcafcd God by that quarrell of theirs again(l theItfuitcs,to make them witnelfesof the innoccncie of the State in thefliedding of their bloud "and by their owne mouth to make it knowne.that the Icfuits were ftill dcuifing dc pradifing for the death of the Queen, and for the ruine and oucrthrow of the Realm,and that the Pricfts were vfed by them as inftruments for the compalling and atchie- uing of their traiterous defigncs , fo that the nature of their facfl could be no lelfc then treafon:and therefore what confcicnce may wc thinke there is in this ieudhireling.contrarie to their owne c6- fcdion.torcnewa coniplaintagainfl theSrate,of fliedding inno- cent bloud, as il there had been no caulc but mcercly Religion to- wards God,\vhy they were put to cleath ? But if that had bccncthc quarrel 1, many more would hauc been m like fort to be touched, icingopenly knowne to be propellers of that Religion, who not- iltandingasweknovv,fdueonlyforapecuniariemuli5>fortrer- ring the law," liucd at their ownclibcrtic, an'dfully wiclirs cn- _ cdthc benefit ofthe State. To let this palFe, /^.Z^z/^^c'P'Aiil now :ci vs fomwhat out of the Fathers, to warrant our ioyning with tlie G Church 82 T hilt Rome is Babylon^ and the P of e Jntkhrifl, Church and Pope of Rome. He hath aljcdgcd S. Bernard before, and iie is anfwcrcd before. Further , he bringcth A^;7rf«rf, faying: ^ ^^ncinde,that it isnow alfo nccelfariefor euery Church to pccordwith the Church of Ronic? It isaqueftion now, whether 11 e ictainethcdodrir.tr and trad tionot the Apoflles: nay it isout ofqueilion thatllie doibnotfo,& therforc her former commen- ds tion/ts no ar|^ument,that we fliould approue her novv.Iciufalcni e 2. clirpn 6.6. was '^ihe €itie vrhich the Lord did chufe to place his name there, %\\t was a faithfrtll citie , and fo long necelfarie it was _, that all other cities d Efa.i.ii. (liould confoiiue themfelues to her. But ^ofafatthfuU citie flie be- came a hariot , and departedfo far frcm her former fteps , as that fliC cruci fied the Sonn.e of God,and killed his SaintSjand in the end e icfiph.debeiu it was fa id of her by a voyce from God,as hfephtu rccordc th,'Mi'^ iiiMico.u,T. CM ^^.gj^^ ^;«c.- Let vs depart from hence. So the Church erf Rome was. a Virgin, the chafi & faithful fpoufe of ChriR,cont!nuing ftcdfaft* \y in thcdodlrineby uhichlhe firft became theChurch ofRome,. &foIonga.s fhcfo continuedjitwas nccefrarieforail Churchesto accord with hcr,asfor her to accord with all other Churches that had done the like. But flic is fince become an vncleane hlih, pre- (iituted to all maner of fornicacions;embrued & drunken with the bloud that Oie hath fpilt^fo that now the voyce of God ca'jeth t(y vs in like fort concerning her, G'^panybetterhelpeby that that he wilt further alicdgcjthat JrendHs mcntioncth apote»tprinc/palitieofthat Church. For that potent priffC'pa/tiie was not intended by Iren&m for any fuprcmacie of the Churc h of Rome, but imported oncly an honour yeeldcd vntoicinrefpcdoftheimpcriallftateofthcCitieofRomejwhich wc know men ofinferior cownes are woot to yccld to them that arc ©fhigh & honorable citiesjonjy for the prehcmincce of the place. But That Rome is Bahyloft, and the Pope AKttchiJl. S 3 : But if the Church ot Rome hadhad any Tuch potent prtncipahty as ' M. Bipjop intcndcth in rcfpci^ whereof all other Chifichcs I flioiildyecIdlubic*5)ion and obedience vnto her, thrn would "^^ y-^-^.,^^ ' ^ToljcAr^Hs the Bifl-kop ofSmyrna hauc rcfufcd to yceld to AnketM tufeb btji. mUf. th: B'Thopofkonic in matters of difi-crccc betwixt thcm,as/rtf^rf/«^';^^^^^^^ Hiewcch he did before his time: neither would 55 Polycrates the lii-o; //»'^'"'-b>iUa thers^^iy ihcy ^ha.»eyeeldedpreHtled^es to the fett of old Rome^ bec^nfe ^^aue^luLltiis. \tliAtvi>As the ImpsriallCity. Andthe hmdred and ftfty Bijhops ('of the ""'^'^'■-•^f ^^'^^ /jCounccll ot Conltantinoplc) betug monedivtthtbeJc:me conftaeratt- mnnso.Dci \\tn haue jeelded eauM/primicdfes to thefacredfea ofner* Rome, C(hnC"-V'^*'^fL„, ^^fConit\niinop\c]rfght/jtud£eiMg, th.:tiheCityivch:chtshono'4redmo:i.!t.eR'>r,u: Ptth the Empire etnd Senate^ and emoieth equMl primledges wtth clde 'l"<»i>j7y,ij„ali* 'of?te, (Jjould a/Jo in Ecclejta^tcall matters be no leJJ'e extolled and mag ■ c,e, u-u iH.hca. tied then tt ti,l'em(T the next vnto it. Thus they acknowledge i^^^t^^ -"rbnn quA& jiiKipalicieot .heChurchofRumctobe noininf^ cllc, but \n\Q-iiu bonurai.ijit, 'fpc(5ltnacthatCiiy was the feat ofche Empire, and thetcforcCon-^^^-|"j'^^*^ ^ "iftauftinoplc, being becom? the fcatof the Empire, and in rclpcdl/?o';».^;r/wij5^"j ^.hercot being called ^r.^' /?.«.., they gaueto the Chu.ch of Con- -^^^-j;;;; '^.lUtiiiople cquall dignity and principality wth'thc CAWxxcho^ nonfecusac diam omCjlcauingtothcBilhopofRomconcly precedence of name ^;J'f;.^^,^2,a nd place. The Legates of the BilhofofRomc would fainc )n:m& pofi lUtt.n ad ic otherwifvT, but /^j,ifi^ BiOiopofRorac, to be aducriifcd of the vfe of fonic words tt»at I G 2 con- 8 4 Tl^^f / Rome is Babylon^ md the Pope u^ntichriji, mTiieroHadDf concemcd that point. Hecommcndcth the Church ofRonJC^/ar wafum ^p:d ^^^^ ^ y^ inheritance of the Fathers (chat is, the true faith) xvm prefer" rupui vatrum Hsd vncorrupt With them onely For this caufe doth he bind himfclfe feniawrfmcdi {q the cooimuiiion and fellowfhip of Damajus. Vpon therockeoi that fdith which the church of Rome dill h^dj he knew.the Church to be bui!t.lnrerpe£>ofthisfaith,hc that went out of that hotife,x.[\^t isj left the communion of that Church^bccaufc thereby he renoun- ced the truth, he became prophane. Inthe fame refpc6l, hctbat- gatheied not with Damafm^ being amainiainer ofthctrucfaith, he muft needes be a feattcrcr. He could not be of Chrift that rcf u« fed them that tooke part with Chrift, and therefore inuflbceof Antichrift. In this rcfped he renounced P^itaUi,ofiidmt/et vp hisrefimth his ewKe Bir. (hop Paulinm^ vpho was no meane man^ but the Patriarch of Amioch %\ asheerebytoaddcafupcriorityto the Bifhop of Rome, when as i there wasotherwifcfoapparant caufe, why he fhould rcfufefo to^ doe. In all this therefore Hierome faith no more of the Bifhop and Church of Rome, then he might haue faid ofany other Bifhop and Church, profefling ti uc faith and Dodlrine, as the Church of Rome then did: but very farre was he from teaching or intending any perpeiuall neccfTuy, that all Churches forcuer (liould conforme thcmfelucstothe Church of Rome. And that hee ncucr had anjT fuch meaning, let it appearc by himfclfe, when being vrged with the example ofthe Church of Rome, hee anfwercth :° JVhatdofi thoH brin(r tome the cufiome of one Citylrvhy dofitboumaintai^e apatt; fue,ttEpip.'hether at Co^fiantinopley orat Rhegium'j Tamyanfdem ^ whether at Alexandria , or at Tanesjbe is of the fame vcorthyandoftbe Jlc"rdli^'"i'oun- [amc ojftce ofBi/hopricke. Power ofrvealth, or bafenejfe ofpoaerty, ma" tia dttiimmm, j^j, (j ^ BJ/hoD neither higher nor lowfr^ but they are aH fiiccejfors of the hJJZfubt Apcjiles. Thus he fpakepurpofely in delegation ofthe Church of mtoremveiinfe. Rome, charging thc famc with proud domineering ouer the lawes wr^'c;r!fam!S ofthe Church r affiimingthe authority ofthe Churches through omms^pfioioru ^j^g yvorld, (o bc gteatcr then the authority ofthe Church of Rome: n Erafm-fcbol, ibid* o Bierm Epifl. adEuagr §luid rtuhi prefer i V' mus vrbis confue tiedirte, qw. td fancitatem de iju:t ortur/i eji fnpercil(urit in kgei Ecdefm ■vmdicM f p Ibid. Si amori tas qtt.eniur^ orbis^nmor efi vrbe Fbicuni]ue attn- That Rome is Babylon^ and the Pope (^ntichrijl. 8 ^ jattributing to ciicry BiOiop of whatfocucr plnce,cquafitic in office iwich the BiOiop of RomCjbccaufcall nreaJike fuccdiors of the A- Ipofties, Ycaaiid to (licw that the Church of Rome rccciucd no more by Peter, ihcu other Churches did by the rert of the ApoHIes, he faith m another pUcc; x\\cn*^ the Church is built vfoftal/tbe /fpo- %,M.'!'.y!'d!! ^[jilcs^^iidtheyalireceiuethe i^eyesofthe kjtigdome of heaaen ] aadthe cu.fu^irVttntn flrength of the Cbtirch tj c^nai/y gromdfdvpon them. Whereby ii f"frZ^^ff,, plaiiitlyappcireth^that ///(f^-ow^ncucr meant to makctheChurch inaiioiocofupcr ofRomeany fuch perpetuallMiOrisandruler of other Churches,;;;^J^;^^.f' as Ai.Brftjof i\vcAVi-)txh licrto be . Yea but 5. ^^w^r^yr further faith: dute^regmca:- } dcftre if, allthinguo foliar^ theChtirshof Rome. Butwhy did M^l''^/^'^^;''!;;^, Bi[hop giue ouer thcre,& not adde alfo that that follovvefh:'' Idefire coi EccUfufir- 'rth \\c)i>j all things to folloiv the Church of Rome : but yet X9e are al- '^^^^X'^iJrSA men that hduevnder^andtng : and therefore what u more rightly oh- c'^z-n.l.i cap.i. riifd otherwhere, rvealfo mitly obferne the fame, S. Ambrofebcin§^ pnf^un^.m.t- tiilliopofMillainenot farrc horn Rome llicweth, that he yeelded «:«» eccZ/^w, a reucrcnd relpcct vntothe Church or Rome, butyetprorelicth, hcmm^fesfwi that things might be better in other places then they were at ^"^'J^^'^f* Romejand that his Church ofMillainehadvnderrtanding toiudge S^^mltrr^, what was fitafwcU as the church of Rome, and therefore that they fjl^l^'^^^'*' held not tliciiifelucs tycdby any necellaric dutietothe example thereof, but would do what they thought more rightly performed in any other Church. Nowthcn whatlliallwethinkcof A/.'5;/Z'. Necejfe eft ^yfj^ffg^ffgyireivilL wc vfiil the fame h Freemlly because the wiilis mm iibsro veil- notfubic6l to compuUion , but vMlJeth alwaiestrcely , aiiclof it Ti7J!trd% owne accord , or cife ioofech the nature and name of tv///. Which gr.^r. & itb.arb. frcedome ofwill , by origiuall inftitution ftoodiiidiftfrentcjtherto ^affwTomvt goodoteuiil; yet wasnot toconiinuefo , but vponele^lsononcc wni'ofmtejfe made to bc frcc one!y in that u bcrcto of itfclfe it fhould betake it tiSprxim i- fcJ^c : Free onely in euill, ifit fhould apply it fclfc tocuill ; free only catoTcs angeiita. jpj good, if ic fhoLild makcchoycc to continue therein. Therefore »"»'we.'^'«/r the Angds which kept thfir onginall habitation andefiace.haue horn. their 8 Fr^-cap.':Li. vvhich finned and abode not in the tiut-h,hauc their Free uilibyit •vfqHea'dtoinpec- fcifcand of it felfe^" obdurcd and liardened in that that is cuili , fo catore nmperiit (j^^j jj ,5 pQj. at all appUablc to anv thing that is Pood. Man there- tmymaxtmi forc by finnc hath not loft Free mlljiox by ' Free vptUn is that mtv he Ti''"''TorTl (i»»ethjyssi 2iVnS can nothmg hm (tune. Bur this frf^B'/// that is thus irifi o::o[lyu!nad dethnan- ditm a malo i;- faciendum bmum liberr.tur arbittium. o jfbti. fi venTJolnmus defen ierc libtrum arbitrium »m oppitgncwiu vmie fit libemm. p Cont. : ^ep. VeUl- 1. 4. cap.^. iiM^ittU liierim arbttntm ntgtii hommlus quia t>eo tetum tribh$t quod reSii viuinm t wholly of Free mil. %^ whotyto God thdttve Itu^ tfelt : i xvithoHt freedome of will wa cannot „ -Pt'.rait.us.u I:uc rvell 5 for how lliould a man flo well without his will ? ) but yet '■■p.9-'ra^«fiM this FrcemUto hue wcl/> ' a ivt/lnotfree (mccrcly 6c of it (c!fc) i>f4t {"'r! >^^LJ^. made free by the grace of God.Vox thcu\sUhe wi/l of man free indeed, ' Com.i.tpift. when It 16 free from jmne : and fuch a fretwtU Godgaue to man in the y.tfomi'wtToii hqtnnitiff. ^«, he loft it by ht-s oivne default , and beina lofi it cannot be ^''*"* C"^ ^" reft or ed, but P; him that n'M aff'.e (irjttogiustt. InChriltthcrtrorcit voUmtat is rcllorcd vnto vs,who hy his '/''*<' (P'^tt siucth " Itbertieto the cap- ("/>< ""'f-'z>f». tiues,anaopeMetb the prijon to themth^t are pound, and ' deiiuereth vs ^ii,n»m%o- from the povcer of darkneffe , and makctli vs ^ free men vnto him. '"»'"[" """^ 'J^ But yctlo, as that hauing rrcciued hut " thefirft fruits of the fpirtt, cufivu^ifxcca- by whom this frccdomciswroiioht.acconhnetothcwords of the fj/'Z"* «"»/'"«" niK ; / c I T I ■ I I J nic aaiw/t eft tt Apouic, JVhere the Jptrit of theLordts ^ there ts Itbcrtie ^ die fame Deaquod^mij. is yet but begun in vs, Co that ' there ts part ly freedome , andpart- ('"'^T^'^l^'' Ij bondage, not yet, whole and pure and per feU freedome, for no fur- dtn pofmt nddi thcr istlic \\'\H freed then it is renewed ; and it is renewed asycr"piji'ff*,j_ but in part, continuing {]ill'^/?*/><«rr/« theoldeflate . Therefore it «E'a.. b *^i4gii!t.rftfl.iot. f-Jtuiur gratum Dct c^ adtit'trium fU)H adfiniuies afiih iLiri, i hMclnrU-caf. 3 j. >t x^tKclthat paffeth and retmneth not a^aine^tfitbe left vntoit felfc, efi diui anirM ^^ , ^ C. •% , i ■ • ** • j i ,r jl u^ ftofiraguaM fpi- Novv M.Bffhop do you Carry this in mind , thus exprelicd by the nws ■v^dem& phrafcs and fpccchcs of the ancient Church, and Icauc to calum- fmst dercuaa. mate out doctrmejwho artirme Free vptll&s rarre as they arnrmed it, and deny it no otherwife but as they denied it againft the Pela- gian hcretikes. But you will hardly leaue your wont, bccaufe you fee well enough, that if you take our dod:rinc as we deli- uer it, you can dcuifc nothing plaufiblyorcolourably to fpeake againiht. 2. W. Bl SSHOP. M.Pcr. 2. Conclufion. The matters vphereabout Tree wtll is occupied^ are frinctpally the anions of men, rvhichbe of three forts , Natural!, Humane, Spiritual]. Natural] 2^^\onsare fuch, asare eommon to men an^ be aft s, as to eate , Jleepe^ c^c. In all tvhtch rve iojne wtththe Pafiftsi and hold that man hath free vail enenfince the fall of Adam. M.Pcr. 5. Conc\u(\on.\lumvLnc Si^\ov\iare/tieh,as are common to all men, good and bad ^ at to fpeal^e, topraBife any kindofarty toper- forme atiy kind of cmilldutiejtopreach^ to admimfter Sacraments^ ^c. And hither tve may referre the outward aBions of cmill venues^ ai fiamelj luftice, Temperance^ Gentlenejfe^ and Ltberalitie^ and in thefe alfo xve ioyne with the Church of Rome ^and fay {as experience teacheth^ that menhaue anaturallfreedome of vftll^toput themjornottoput them Rom.».T4, in execution. S. Fsuifaithj The Gentiles that haue not the law, do the things of the law by nuturCithat isjbynaturallftrength : Andhe faith ofhmfelfejhat before his conuerjion totiching the rtghteoufneffe of the lavs' , he was vnblaweable . And for this extern all obedience^ na- turallmen receiue reward in temforallthtngs. Andyet here fame caue* ats mtift be remembred. Firfty that in humane aElions {he fhould faj morally mans mills wea\e^andhts vaderftandtngdimmeythereu^on he oftenfailes in them, 'this caueat is no caueat of the Proteflantsjfut taken out (t/^S. Thomas 0/ Aquincs. Andinallfucb aUionsvpith S. Auguftine, {joumight haue quoted the pUce) Ivnderftandthe wtllof man^to be onely woun- ded- of Free mil. 91 dedorhAlfedead. 1 . That the wiHof man, is vnder the will of Gad, Mnd therefore to h( ordered b) tt : Who knowcs not this i R. Abbot. Here -(^/.^/^^^'/'giueth vsfomcmorcof liis learned notes, and tcllcth vSjthac Ai.Perl^ns for humane fliould haue faid «;or<»//,whcr- as the name o^morall anions doth not Co properly comprehend all thofc which he meant to import by ^«zw<*«f^^<'«-f.Astouching the hi'i\cafteat giucn to thcthird conclurion5that w hnmaned^tons moins ivtlUs vieAke,and his vnder ft dndttig diwme, c^ ^. he notcth that this ca - ucM is no CAHeat of the ProtefiantSj hat taken out of S.Thomas oft/4' (]u:nes . He was dcfirous it fecmeth to haue it thought, that he had looked into Thomas ^^MtnaSybut he was willing withal to lluew that 1 c didnotwell vndcr(hndwhathercadtherc:rorhcthatlooketh mro'the places which he quotcth, flialleafiiy fee, that there was aT-;^^^^^,^^;^ Iictle caufe for him to (ay, that that is a caueai taken out of Thomas «m- loy- ''«•'»• -r^;^,there being nothing diredly tending to the matter of the * caueatexprelfed by ^'^./'tf/i^/«/.ButthePioteilants might wel learn that caueat out ofthcirowne experience, and if we had notobfcr- ucd it of our fclucs, we could haue learned it of Philolophers, and Poets, and HiflorianSjto fay nothing of ccclenafticallVVritcrSjro that we nccdenottofceketo Thomas iy^tjttinas to borrow it from him. But what is that to the pnrpofe, feeing we profclfe our fchics well content legere A4argaritas ex coeno,togather PearlescHenomthe dirt^And from AI. ^/j^^phimfelfe to take knowledge of anything worthy ourIcarning,ifany thing worthy our learning had bin writ, ^onwfuib. /. tebyhim.^ PerkjnsCaitbt^h^un hnmane or mora!/ac}io^s,'rtth An- R^tlc (Lam (jl in he vnderflandeth the rvitl ofmjn only wounded or halfe dead, M Bi- bltaXn-v,tl:'c'n '^fiopfaithjhe /hoftld haue (^fioted the pUce : the place to which Ai. r7io,'*'»»'itjiU- Perktns sXludcth, I take it ro be Hyfognoft.ltb t, . where A:ifttne faith ^ZZtMiZimo. that man was veoundtd andbafedead^ ^ becaafe his Free rvtllhadfitll """> f^'''"J^ VitallmottOn.bHt heivas woMndfdtnthe ornaments ofmora/IaB/ons.,and i:ojjibilttiitt> It^ lofl the benefit e of thepoJjibi/Kie of Free irill, to returne vntoenerUftiyg ''^'' ^-'J"^^) f'^ ife. To theocjicr caueat, that the xvillofman is vnder thetvtll of r-^, Jdvitam God and therefore to be ordered by n. Af.BiPjop faith, ff^ho k>? awes ■'-"■'"' V->' »!?/ ;/?//f'As if men in dcliucring precepts and rules of auy kind or ':i.>jfu^^,br. learning. toH0 « Uttron.adit. TelagJtb.iFt; Jcixmus HO ft ex nob ^s, fed ex Dei cuncla tJefidere iudiciojVeniam, 92 CfFreemU. learning, didnotfetdowne cuen triuiall and common things, be* caufc ho wfoeucr they be common, yet they be ncccdaric ro make a perfecn; workc,andalwaies neceirarictbrleatners, when the whole workes arc ncedicire CO them that are alrcadie learned. And why might not A/, Peikimhnvig'wxihiscaueatm a writing againl^ the incjiur,yc.^;^:_ p ,piib, fls vvcil as Hterome did againdehc Pelagians :' That we may 7dZtiiendi'c'/e i^^^w^^^ai th hc, that all things depend^mt vpon vs, bat vvon the difcre- _ ve!U,mo>iiimt tion andxvtll ofG od^the Apolilefiithylwtllcome vntojoH f^eedily^iftht " '3!^^!^:jedtt ^"^'^ ^'^^- J^enhefatthy Imllcor/je vmsyoH^ he^exveth his goodmlU caii.tmh.clo- (je declareth his dejire^ hefromtfethhis comwing Butyet tofpeal^eirith D*j!«/« J^JiL- '^ caneatj he faith, if the Lord m'L Foi if any mayjthinl^e hes knoxveth m.Stqmsenim any thffigjye kno'^cth not jct OS bc oHght toknow. Yeaana»9. j^njitnc ^"iffSSJtahothoLrgh: this point worth the noting againft the fame Pclagi- ficiitnojfe opener. 3,55^ ^\^g^^ d the Wils ofmcnnat oHclj foY [piritHMlayideternall life ^ bnt 6-&i^aibit^Itp!' as they eoicerne the prefer uing of the creature of the vi>orld^ are i?* the power ofGodyfo m that he c.wfeih them to incltne whither hee vptll^ and when he will, either for bentfite to fame, orfirptinijhment to ether fame. And heethoughtit not vnfitte tocxcmphfie this matter out of rhe Tilm'^qHTconfcr- ^ bookcs of /^T/^-^^^ofthc the Kiogs and Cnronicles.how God orde- rs tfecuitcrra- j.gf|^ ^^^ wii«Oi men.for thc conltitutlng ofearchly kingdomcSjard tnram ita ejein , r 1 1 r i 1 • ■ r 1 n 1 1 1 i Dcipytejh'cvt makcch proncsDle vie and application tnercor, chat jcinould be ab- eas quo voluent, (yj.^j f fg think that Godframcth the mis of men for the /etlina of earth- jkciat inclirun, l) lzf»^domes^ and that men frame thetroxvne rods for theohtaimrg of the l^ngdome of heanen. And will M, Bt^op now turne oS Aufiine and Hierome^ as hedoth M. Perklns^wkh fVhoknowestiot this'i]^\.\X. his notes yet arc but to whet his wit : whcnhecis well awaked out oFhis flwcpcj haply we fhall hauefomc wifcr ftufFe. 2'^-^cnptura ojlcndil^no-t foliim boiutshe- vunum 'uolii/itci- test^c.vcrum: 'Ibtdcitp.io.zi H DcVrx:dili. ftnci.cap.io. Comitate ijiale fit,ytcredamia ad cwfiituenda regno, terrena. hommum ■voltm- tates operari Dt' ur>i,(^adcapef- fendirm regnum coslwum hjmt- ms opcrariva- luri'atei [utu. W. B 1 S S H O P. M. P. 4.ConcIufion. The thtrdkind of anions are (pirttmll more neersly., and thefebee ti^'ofold .-good, or bad. In/tnneswe toynewith the Papijf, and teach that tnfinnes man haihfreedome ofxviH, Some perhaps mil fay ^ that we finneneceffarilie., becaufe he thatftnnethfnnnot but fin ^ and that Tree mil and neceffitieycannot fland together. Indeed the necef' ^tie of compel f on and Free tvili, cannot fiand together, but there is ano-- ther kjid of nee ejfiiy {or rather infalUbtlitie) vohich may fjt and with Fret mtU: for fame things may be done nece^arilie, andalfo freelji Annot. of Freewill. 93 A nnot. The example of a clofe prifoner is not to the purpofe^ for it ■}utsnecejfity in one thtng^^ind liberty m another .The [olut ion is., th.tt )iecel[artljmttft be taken for certDiinefj, not that a wan is atanfiime impelled to finne, hut his rveAkenejfe and the craft of the dwell are fuch. h .yiu^uf!. de that he ts very often ouerreachedbj thf dmelL an^tndnced tofinne^bftt Pfl^^^-ftli^t. VI I h free confent ofht^ oxvne mil. cam -JoL^tat ♦ featta efi [>eC' _ . cantem fjccatum K. Abbot. . iiahemiiUurx neffitiu. The comparifon ofa prifon vfed by Ai, Perkins, is moft preg- cap.i-Na'tu,'/ luncandfic.Aman walkethvpanddowncinclofcpriron.andfree-r^'';^'^"'''* . , jn I . • r ir I 1 L neccgit.is merits .icmoijetnandlTirrcuinifrldtc;yeihc hath no power to gciomox pr-ccedemu mi- prifon, buc for ought he can doe for hirafcife is necefTariiy there. E- ^"'"^^'^""'^ lenfo.manisfrceinfinne, and freely v\illeth whatfocucr hctW\\-iDe»at.cfgra, icch thereto: bucfinneishisprifon, and hec cannet free hip)fclfe^''i':f^^^,?''''^^ .-herefrom; nay bccaufc the will It Iclfeis imprifoned, hcehathnof'^^'^w^^rw^ ■ vviil to be free, and therefore of ncceltity remaineth Hill a pr'foner jfjj),'^','^^^^^ CO finne, till God dde change his will to make hini free. But Af.^i- ^ Con .Fortunat. . 27?;>diflikeththe comparifon, becaufe it puts neceffiij in one thing, ff^'^^'l^f^^J^'^^ arid Itbertji in another^Wnzi-QAs to &i2it^\iv^o(t'\i was vfed, and lo ^-^f^ ptcc.wit, ms tliatpurpofc moft fitly is applied, and therein nothing contained, ^^'J^^^^JJJ^^^ but what is agreeable to the truth. For whereas hetakcth vponhim ^^'^««'-'^'« to corre6t that termc ainecefftty, and wilihauc it to be called infal- i*(h%fl''fmas Ithtlity and certainty y he malcpcrrly taketh vpon him to teach them ""((l>t,'in \\\YZ it ^a voluntary andmiffree neceffity, wherein neither can necef- "x^xcufAiUm ^ jtiie excufethe will^becaufe it is voluntary ^nor thewill exclude neceffi^Hectgitasfaut. (njjjecnufen is entangled xxithdeltaht thertn, wherein wtlltak^eth frcm himallmatter of defence.^ and neceffity bereaueth himof poffibiltty of amendment ^itiia in a word, thewi^itfeljcinjirange wifecaufeth this nece^ity I e tent" rum ttas 94 of Free will, necejfttjt&itfelfe. Now then becaufc the {h?e of finne is fucb, as \ that there is one way «^c^///7 by the habit of corruption, and ano- ther \^ay//^r?'9' by the Free motion oFihc will, very tightly did M, Perkins to expreilc the fame, vfe thecxampic of a pnfoo,that^«rx neceffitpn one thiKg, and liberty in linothiY. hud thus in righreouf- nt{'ic2i\iQnecejjtty dVii], Ubsrty agree, anddje not one exclude the other. For the An^RcIs being by the grace and power of God con- firmed in ^oodncfle ,are thereby necefjnrilj good^ ^fo and in fuchfoH s UemJe^at. good^ OS that they cannot become eftil/,and yec they zvc freely andvo- &Ub^rkufu(. i^^f^^-^iy good,becaufe it is the will it felfe that is cftabliflied in goodnede. The fame fliall bectiic ftateofcternallhrcfotheeIe»5l h ^ugnfl.dc per- 8^d faithfull, '' Bene viuendi & nunqmm peccandt, volmtariafoeftxc^ /tfiSE Mjiitin, necejfit m : A volant arte And happy aecejfuie ofUtiing xveilc^ nener (in- fling anymore, t^ct /i/. Bjhopukt kaowledgcnowof this manner of fpeech, and karne not to find fault when hee hath no caufc. But henotcth, that wee muft not vnderftand, tlutaman is Mt any time com^elledtoftnne : where J mayanfwer him with his ownc words hc^oit.Whoknowes not this ? And so^incthit this is no»e of Al. Bi- • . fho^s caueat; but taken otit ofM. Per^ns, iJH. Perkins had told him fo much before hand, & thctefore what needed this note f For this tiecejjitie groweth not of any outward force, but from Inward na- ture, not by condition of the fubftance, but by accidenrall corrup- tion, which being fiippofed, there is a neccfltcie of finne, asiuthe palfty anecefficieof fliakingjin the hot fcauer a neccfTitie of bur- ning, in the broken legge a ncceditie of halting, fo continuing till the maladie and diftempcr be cured and done away. And whereas Jl?<;i/J onely, which may bee onclie a priu3tiorj,but a poficiuc cuiii habitc and contagion of finne, whereby a man finncth eucn without any furtherance ofthe diucU temptations, by the onely cuill difpofiti* on of himfelfe. Which cuill difpofition, becaufe it is alfo in the will it felfe, therefore in the midft of that neccfTitie, a man finneth no o- therwife,but as M, Btpjop rcquireth to haue it {iid^mthfyee confent §fhis cwne wUL W. Bi- •- of Freewill. 95 W. B I s 5 H o p. • MP. 5 CondoCKV.Tfjefecondkjfd of fpitiifiaf/Aniotjs^egood, asRfpe'nance^Fiiithfihedie]ice,(frc. Inwbichvpe Itkemfe m part tojfse Ufth the Ch::rch of Rome ^and fay th.it inikeHrfl conuer[ion of afnuer^ iMAUi Free xrtilconcurreih mih Gods grace, as a fcllovoor co-vorker in \fonte fort form the Conner fton of a (inner ^ three thiy:gs are re Butlct A^. Bi/hopleaync of S. Aufiine, that " he that concealetk Fromiitu fa.:Ui ^fjg words of the point in queflion is either an vnleamed Idiot ^or awran" cux. iubet it% ' g^^^g crauen^that flfidieth mo) e to cauillfhen either to teach or learne, *'^- „ „ Thcv^ordsof M.Perhinsitcthdc : The Paptjls fay -fVillhathana* vet.Tcfi.xl. tur all cooperation ; we deny it^anajaj,tt hath cooperation onely bygrady ^Htfjerha fii^- Ijeinq in it fclfe not (iBtue but paffiae ^ Xf>illtng well onely as tt is mouei (tut tmjieniurcji by grace, tt hereby tt muftfitft be aUed and motitd^ before it eanaB or auttergmcfk' ^j^ ^Vhcic hc vcty pjainclv affirmerh the cooperation ofmansmS magHfiiideat, inhts Conuerfon jhut Uith truely.thatitM f/^r^ftf itrelre,thatit dotn quamdo^rifu. cooperate wuh > race. He faith, that in it jelfe it is notaEliue bt*tpaf- /?«f , but though in itytf^(? it be onely p) betngaEled or mtuediy gracc.l^o^ how ii this contrary to that which hec fjith in the fifth concliilion, that mans Free rvtUconcurres with Godsgrace^ asafellorv or co-veorkff sn [ome fort, and is notfajfute in alland eucry rcfp:^ ? In font f fort ^fiidi he, itis a co.workfr wiith grice, and \s not pafsfhf in alUndcfteryire- fpf^. How is that ? . Mans willmuftfirjl of all be aBedandmoncdby ^race^and thenitalfo aUeih yoilleth^and mcneth $t felfe. How can M. Bi/hop deuife to hauc a man fpcakc more agreeably to himfelfe? Buc he pUicth the lewd coufAcr ; and whereas the whole point of the controucrfielicth in thcfc VJordsfy itfelfe^ox initfeife^hc guileful- ly omitteth the fame, and maketh Af. Perkins abfolurely to fay, that mans xcill in his comterfton is not a^iue^bnt pafsiue,vj\\cn he (aith,thac in it felfe it is net avSliue butpatliuC} declaring that by grace it is nndc a^iue. So in the other place where itisfaid, that mans will isaco.woikeri«/tfwgfirft both outwardly moued, and fortified in^- wardly 0ftY$emU, 99 tfardljf hy the vertui afgrdce^tocff'eEl and doe any worke apertaining^ to falHAtion: which is as much as h\. Vcr\i\n'> affirmcth. Ar.dihutobee the very do^rine of the Church of Rome^if moft ma)iifeflly to be feene tH the CoHMcetlof Trent }\here in the Sejfion are fir fi the fe wards in ejfM^ concerning the vnableneffe of man to arife fremfinne of h:mfelfe. Eucry man mx\i\ acknowledge and confcfle, that by 9y^damstn[\ vvewctc made fovnclcancand finfull , that neither the Gentiles by the force ornature,nor the Icwcs by the letter of A/of es law , could arifc GUI of that finfull ftate. After itHicwcch , howcurdeliueranc' is wrought,and how freedomc of will is recouercd infpeciall , and wherein iccon(i(kth,faying : The beginning of iuf^ification, in per- fonsvfingrealon, is taken from the grace of God, prcuencing v$ through /(ryi«C/:>r//?, that is, from his vocation, whereby without any dcfcrtofouri vvcaiecallej , that wee who were byourfinnes turned away from God,may be prepared by his grace , both raifing vsvp, andhelptng vs to rctiirnc to our ownc inltification, freely yceldingour confcnivntothc iaid grace, and working wich it. So a'. God couching the heart of man by thcllghtofthehoiy Ghoff, r-eirher doth man nothing atall, rccciuing that infpiration, who might slfo refufc it : neither yet can he without the grace of God, by his Free willjinoouc himlelfe to that,which is iurt in Gods fight. Andthatyou may beajfured, that this doHrine of the Councell^ is «« o- thtrthen thut nhtch wm taught three bundredyeares before, in the vet ry /Ttiddefi ofdaYkfneffe^as Heretikes deems : fee whatS. Th orras of, , „ , Aquinc one of her prtnctfal pillars ^hath written ofthu point tnhis moff Art.«s. learned Summe. Where vpon thtfe^ rvordes of our Sautour ^ No man lob.'rr///^vd^ad onho. (hop'm fotBc flic vv uf words hecre fecmcth to affirmc, but indeed he '[[Z'i'',t}h/J,i wtioIyouerthrowetHit- He faith, that mans will then onely Concur^ bitriimouo at- reth with Gods grace, when it is firfl flirred artdholpen bygtace^^nA 2;"Jwi'^'" • therefore that M. Perkins either doth not vnderfland them , or elfe m.^g-s a gratia. doth wroyigfulljaccufe them, in that heechargethrnem to fay, that Jj'/,;^'^;//^'^ mans vvtllconeHrreth with God^ grace by it felfe, andbytt otvne natHrallJi'p"< txufth^ power. Buz A^ . Perkins vnderftood them wcH enough, and doth ^[;,j"'^f^^f,^* no whit wrongfully accufe them. For /Indradim the expounder '^'^^'■f^-^?'" 'f^l'^ ofthe riddles of(hc Counccllof Ttcnt, doth plajnely tell vs,b that rcfqZ MadL't,^ the motion ofFfeervilL andapplytW of ttfelfe to riahteotifnede .doth no V"'"*'- "^^'^'^ ««'- J J I cWj I I £ L CI J fiitUofKamenta more depend vpon the grace of God. then th^ pres burmng ojtbe tveodejcomp'empoffit, doth dependvpon the poxvey of God\t hat grace lifteib it vp beeing fallen y (td's qitidtm downe^ and addeth /lrengthv»to ft, but that it is no le(fe the efficient app^uduont^u. canfe of applying it felfe (ograce, then other niturall thtngs are ofalll^'^"*'" ^'"»- thofe operations whereto by force ofn^iture they are caried. Th erefore n^tun co»jit>a, heecomparcth ' free wtU to a man made fa fi tn the fiockes, ivho '^■'""'"'°""""'^ hath a power and ab/eneffe tn htmfelfetogo^ ifheebee let goeout ojthe quunaTurxinr Jlockes.and the bondsite brokenthat heldhimbefore that hee could notf"^''"i('^p^'*'' ' ' ^ ' ' lttd,Non [ecus jiirre. Whereby he giucih vs to vridetftand their mind , that as ihe acUgaeiifo'cis fire and other narurailthingsbceing by the power of God vphol- ^^^'^^^''^^•'^^* den in that which naturally they are, do ofthemfclues vvorke thcir/zr«ir.rtf//; A.^rr, proper and natu'alleffcdl*, and as aman vnbound and let goc out ^1,^^'':^^J^?'„f'^''' ofthe rtockeswalkcch and goech, not by any iicw works that hfiwuLt rump.tn- wroughr in him, but by his owne former naturail power j fo P^'eTum^'pJ"^^''^ will though cnianglcd in the dclighfs of finne, and I ouud with the retarJant. bonds thereof, yet hath n naturail power whereby if can apply ic fclfctorightccufnefre, if grace by breaking the bonds, and aba- ting the rtrength of fjnnc, doe but make way for it to vfe and exer- cife it fclfc; fo that grace halting wrought what conccrncth it, they Icaue it to the will by tt/elfe^and by it owne naturail power ^ to adioy n c H 3 it , io2 ofSreevpiU, itfcIfcto^workethe^with. hx^dihh BeUarmine plaindy teftificth, whcnhcaffirmetb,'' that grace doth no otheiwife concurrc to fu. &hbZrb.iiff.' pernaturalladlions, then vniucrfallcaufcs doe ro natural!, fo that it ctothe wiliand worke of man. AH whirh in Konimpediatii- ^fted Af. Bt/hophimCdfc afterwards exprcfleth, teaching that man (ingetmm^tufpe- aftcTthe fall of Ai^m^ hath ^ilU naturall facnltie of Freewill, which cideauxihum ljggi„q (J^y^ ouiwardlv moHcd. and tnward'y fortified h the vertue sf eurnt adomnes gracc^ able to effect and do any workj afpertaimng to jaiuatton\\XitxZ' ici fuperna. j^ , ojuinp to vnderftand, that there is ftili an abilitie left in nature, mrdci It mini- /on ' iii pedicttbomtnis'i. howfoeiierror thc prcfent oucrwhclmed and opprc flcci, which be- hettaum-quom^ ■ p^citcd and ftirred vp, though in ifielfe it bee not fufficient to ««A»i^«/Zrfwj- produce the cffcas of ipirituall actions, yet harh a lufhciencie to "7JfirE»chirid. applieitfehctogracc for thc producing thereof. VVnich Cojierm cap.i.Sit quifpi- cheiefuircdeclaretHjbythefimilitudeof' <«w4«y»//^«y grace to bring forth fptritualfrtitt^bemg ofttje/f vtter/y vnablether. .teficoHuenere : ^o ^^csufc hc mcancth not hci bVithat "face doth worke in thc will ■fit Jt acceaat a- ' i t t -f i • * i i i i r i i ■ i i mcusquiimet that whoIc abihty that it hath, but that to thc ability which thc will & Unguida, ,p[e naturally hath, praceofferech, and being accepted,yccldeth only an adhibeat,fit 'tan- afliitaoce and hclp tcr the accomphlhuKnt of the worke. Which he *L/2'iT^'''^"^P'^^^*^*" that he faijh, thatlhc VJOike proceedeih principa/ly of init imitur. vrace : OfFrcemU. J03 grace : not wholy hut principallj ; oncly bccaufe grace firft occalio- neth and bcginncch the fame, ubcrcas oihcrwifc they make Free w/Z/parallcl-wifc, and as it were fide by fide concurrc with grace to the effecting ofihjt whcicto it tendeth. Yet hee wiJI not hauc vs thiiike, /W the^ reejmre fome outward hetfe onetji to the rvtll, to ioj/newtth grace, orthat^racedsthhut at it were vntte the chatnes of Jtnne, wherein ottr mlliifet tered^ and then mil canne. ofitjelfe turne to Cod, when indccde hoc cannot well tell vvhat hee would haucvs thinke. Wee hcare biro andhisfcllowcs i^lkcoUtrntardmottifig, & inxpard fortifying, but in truch they make all this wiver^j/ but onely o«fn''^' P^-^i"''' I I /■ I r I ■ I I I 1 \ \t impedttneHtum, bee either vjeth forhus he/pe^ or throrveth arvaj, nill excluding tiiat tamqrtevdam- vvorkc of God, whereby if is wrought in the will, to will and re- ^ff * ""^ "f"^'' ceiuc the grace of God, and not to reicfl the fame. ThcnccclTity ^cojier.vtfupra. of which worke herein pIainelyappearcch,tor that man as touching f/ltti»f«W- rpiriuiail life ' the life of God is wholy dead, and therefore as the f" 'vtta-vt* pof. dead man hath nofacultie or power Lft, whereby to doc any thing ^'J^^^JJ.;"^ torhimlclfcfor recouery of lifcagaine, but his hfe and the life o\ i»""^'"odLm all his parts muft wholy and newly bee pur into him, fo man hath J^'fi^*^""^*'" nothing left in nature, whereof with any hclpc whatfocuer he canne emus aaxiiop make any vfe to rctuinc to God againe, but this life ipiill wholie ^;'>|lp/«[/^„V^ and newly bee wrought in him by the grace and power of God. 'W"""'- Now in this point A^. Btfhop ftiittcth and ftammer.eth, and know- ' ^^ ' "*■' ' cfh no: how or what to fay. Man, he faith, \sbHt half e dead, not fiarkedead, and by and by after hee is balfe dead in his naturall ■■\ powers ofvyjJetfiandingand xftlU But tonchiftg fn^ernaturall workej^ heetnay inanoodfenfebee iikenedto a deadman j and yctnrcfcntly faith againe, th^iiin this fiate there is a naturallfacHkie of Free ivtll^ which is able heeing outvrardlte mooued and inwardiji fortified^ to efe[l anddo^an^ worke appert aiming tofalaation. VVhcrt by he wholy oncr- throvvVrh the compsrifon of ade^tdman, bfcaufc where there is re- maining an ai^iue power that ncedeih oncly to bee flirred vp and firengthened, there cannot be affirmed the (btc of death. [3uc the Scripture pronounccth man abfolutcly <^arH4 , ftf^r^ ^<«/r/ ^r^^/ , and novo lim)^ing q ^«^. «!? loan. {^-^ hjs grauc. in vohofe raiftni vp was *i the power of Chrtfl , not any traa'49- Surrex- „ t r t i J r'^UL • C C - t zt,procefit. In ftrengthnf the dead man^lo as tnat the recouenng or a man to faith vtroqutpotcntu gjjj fpifituall lifc , js by it he fime working of the might te povcer of •vires Mortui. God,xvhtch he Tvrof/ght in Chrifl when hee raifed him from the dead, \ ^^^t'Vf' VVhich if ,4/. Bifhop did acknowledge , according to the plaine cut- Teki&'ceiefi. dcncc of hoIy Scripturc,hee would not thus halt betwixt grace and G'^f^^vlcibtilo ^'^^^ wili,but would confcflfc , that whatfocuer the will doth in the frangcm tnuiM- workc of filiation , the fame is ful'y and wholly vvrcu_i,hc therein amoffe»fion2m% j^y grace, Eumow he doth but dally with the name oiijrace^^s Pe- tPekiJp.td /^^/«jcheherct!kedid,onclytohidethe venimcand poyfonofhis ^ug.ibidMb.i. ^ J • doC^rine/rtf al>ate the hatred . andavoyd the offence chat flbould cap. ft.Libeium -^ i-ii/-^ arbimum habne otherwlfc arile againft him. And no otheruile doth the Councell ms dictrnuiOHoi ^ Xigncuhlch hc ulieadgeth for his warrant .the dcf^rtne whac- tn omnibus bonn ^. , . . , ", ^^ , . . ,- , , • , openbm dinini of IS thc Very Jamcwitn the Pelagian bcrclie,bceing taken with ftmper adiuux- ^^^^ contdtions and limitations wherewith Pelaqttu and bisfol- tur anxt.io 11- iri t-ii' u C7p.j5.L»t^. lowers did ;ibndge and explaine thcmlciues. For they denied not Zlt'J'^um a neccffitie of the grace of God , Pelagttu himlelfe plaincly faying, 'vtdtciimuinoi ^ fVee fuj that rvcehjiuea Free wi/i vjhich inaltgoodvforkes iialwates ^nfrmko. <#^^^ ^^*^^^ ^^^ ^^¥ ^f ^"^^ " ^ee fo.confejj'e Free will, as that we fay X Cap. J 5. £/>zyZo- thint we nlxvAtes fiand tn need of the hel^e of God : " fVee can do no good uir°L7om>m"' ^^ allmthout God ■ ^ We jo pratfe nature , as that we alxvates adde the nihil bonifzcere he/pe ofthtgrac/ ofGod. And that we may 1< e that he hi (1 trod the ycIp'ijAnue- P^^^ ^^^ the CoUHCcU of Trent to follow. , bee ftickcth not to pro- ntent »oi ita ho- nouncc ^ Anathema to euery one that thinkfth or faith ^ that the grace nlZram vt Dei ^j Godrvhereb) Chrtji came into this prorld to fane finners i^notnecef- fmper ?raru ptric.not onely euery houre and euery moment , but toeucry aSi ofeurs, "lium. * andthey ihatgoeahouttodemeit PjallbepHmffjed for euer. So doth iCap,i..^m- thePelagianhcrecike affirm? to Hierome-/ There be very many of ^'-ulTdocetgratl ottrswhofay ^ that all things that we doe , are done by the helpe of God. a^nDdcjiia Bvthis acknowledgement ofgracc Pelagipu deluded thc Bifhops htlL'mu'dum'^ of thcEafterneCiiuicheSjbjcfore whom he wasconuented , and pecCatons [atnos face>e,ijoi foliim perfingults horo! , artt ferJiHgutit momenta, fed eu/mt per pngnlos a^ttts Koflrosnoneffe necejfariam, €>■ fjui Line conancur atiferrt pa:mi Coruuniur AMnxi, '* Hierott, adit.Vtlfig^l.SmtfleriqiUfwfirorumqui tmnia qu-e agimm tiicttm pen ^r^fidio Dei, Jjy of Free mil, loj- bythatmcancs was acquitted and cljfmi(rcd,ashauingtiiinhtno- thinpagainrt thctruch. For as Anjiin norcfh, fa M^hea they heard hm conffffe the grace ofGed, they could imagine no other grate, irm b ^tignfl. ffdjl, tih4t ihey were wont to read in the hooke of God, ^j»d preach to the Hr^uUi^Xm peop/eofGod. Which grace by this occafion the TameS. ^ufitn mDetgr^ua aJuu d)iiers and fundiy pjaccs dcftncth to bee that "^ r^ hereby wee are 'SalmjUte, ibtifi tan sand the children of God; andbeeingpredefliyiate ^re called, *i»!l^>» ah/tm r:jhfi:d,andglorf{ied : ^ whereby xve are tufltjled to be mfl men : ^ which I'li^enp'HuZ r/jai^th the UnUrtne of God profitable Vnto vs: hrhsreby hce doth not >"»t,ntji quam oveij [fjeiv vs the truth, but alfo tnfpireth lone . s » heuby we are iufttfi- gne&j^p"l>!' e Lthat is, t^ hereby the lone ofGodu (hedde abroadm our hearts by the ^^'P^-^^"^'^* hjly Ghofi which n^iuen vntb vs-^whercbj we are nmdegeod\ ' where- citi'lGiat'ix by the cxct/lencteof hcauenlyglorie, is not onelj promifed ^ bnt alfobe ?'** c_/"''7?'««* Lenea and hoped for ; nor wifed'ome oKely reucaled, but loucd , and euery ZiuuUfo^ca .- thma that i^ good Is not onelyaduijed , but {frunfully and ejf equally) ^'■'^f'^'^^fl^'"^' pcrfrvaded. This ondy grace and no other d\6ihtyvndcii{m6tom/btic^mur,gl:~ be ihc grace of ChriTt sWhcxQby as touching the workeofour faf-"^"''"'"'- u.uion, God IS all in all, whjlcliofhiniandbybiin, nicerclyby hh Siul'infllficati piftwe are vvhatfociicrwcaie towards him, lo that alihciioh ^ \^^^f'*mu»-vtiKmi~ • 1 1 I 1 I II I " . "f ^ '"/" tfjcmut, wiil,and wcvvcrke.andwcc wa!kc,andwec runne, yet itisGcde £/>*.io7../4'^- thacvvorkcihin va ,to will .and to workc .and to walkc, and rn "'/^'"""'5''^''' I M L /- I I I • I I I amqux faat riinnc,and in all the Ic tnini;s wee haue notlm 'g but what wee banc trodeffUoan- of him, that there m.oy bee noexccption tothc Apoftles c]Ucftion, f"^;^. p^^^ ^ WhAt haft thou that thou haft not receiued ? and if. thou h^ue receiued lib. I'.c^p. \i.vt ityW'hy doeft thou bocfi as tfthou h^dft not receiued $t ? But this grace umt'd^lrT"' Pela^imcould by no mcanes endure ; he thcughtitabfnrd, that all ta^eni,%e,umttf rhould beafcfibcd to God , and thficfojc wi)iild needed dcuifc aT'*^'"'"'^ courleofgrace that niipht giue way to the Freewill ofmcn. The s ii>i'i.cap.xo. contp'iiing of which com fe^ifwe duly confidcr from point to point, ^rJdf/qM weeriialKee , that it \T\oi\ fully corrcrpondtth and accordcth to cw'r« Deidif- thaido6trine of grace and Freewill . vvhich is now taught in the ^Sj^,'^"^^. Church of Rome; oncJy the fpecialries thereof their fchoole di- ^^ cmt.i.Epiji. uincs haue dircdied them to fxprtfle (omcvvbarmore diHinc^ly ^'^^;f ,y/^'2r'«« then he hath done. Andfirft they icW vsoi grace preuenting ^ (xci- ^' ^""o'f''"''" ttng andftirrwg vp. whereby faith the Counccll, Without anjdefertofTco*,t: ViUg. (j-C'V^. (ttpra. tap.\a. Ifiam ahijitindo fitt.ttur q;ia futurx gtori.f. magnitudo tton folum prqrni' t ititr, vrHmc'.Mni cte.iitur (I:;- fpera- tur; nerr^iuLitur (o'limfipieatta , ■vcmmeii.v/i (y- amatur , ncc pioile' w filuM O'lint quodbonum efl, verumeuam ptr[:4.iL ur. k Dt grot. & lib. arbt:,cjp.t 6 .Cirtitm ejl nos xeUc cum vo!umusyfid lUt facte -vt vtltmus^lirt.Cetm tnmeJinisla:trtcumfmm;t!^f:itlUficttvtfMiamt*s,df' i i.Cor.^.y. onrs Io'6 of Freewill. ours we are called , that hj hii grace raifin^ vs 'Optand helping vs\ wet tion.fca. fi.^' ^^y ^'P^fp'*^^'^ fo retur»e to oht iujltficatton. Where we are to note of Merits. Ad,Bt{hops cHour in bisowne principles , who fundry times cal- ^:^C"fter.delib. Icth the graceoffirft lurtificatioii* thefirfi grace y forgetting that arbii.Hacgra- thcrc IS » former gr3ce,to which he himlcUe referreth their works MoIefiiZ"qu.ei»^^?^^P^^^^^^^^^^-^ hejebsingeththe counccH dcfcribingitaspre- animakoTmnts ccdcHt to iuilificacJon. But o^tWiifreHentiftggrace CoHertu the Ic- fiumTnftttuit li;-^^^^^ ^^^^'^ -> ^^^^ "' it is not that that dvfdleth m tbefoule to make a fUum Dei ejjiiit, ^^n iufi , (fut It 16 oneh the impMon and. motion of the holy Ghofl , bee- fed impidliutan' . . i i rt i i i ■ t t /• i i tu.m& rLtioSpJ^K7^^'"''^^°'-^^ ^andstaKdtngk^iocktng at the aoore of the heart , not fanai adhucfo- being OS jet let in. This he cxpreflcth by the comparifon o( a friend flat adlpilm ji»dtfjg 4 man in a deeptpit , as before was fdi d , and perfvpading him cordis j,uifaui, ^ diiiers reafons to be mlltfig to be pulled out. Therefore Bellarmine adeiui domiii- faith , that " i> Is but oMcl]/ a perfwadw'g nehich doth not detem^tne the Hum. ^iii y„^ incltneth it in manner of a proponndme obieB:. Tliis pracc n Beliarm.de _. / • • j r i i • i • r V-t i / n i i grar.&iib. aibit.PeiagiHi Qclciibew 50 this lort :<> He rvorkcihtnvs to will that that iib6cap.is.Nt- if ff00U, towillthat that u holy .whilefl findwo vs qiuen to earthly htleftaiiiidmfi f, j , I / ■ / a / I r I ^ r ^ i. ) ^ fuafsocjujimn Iftjts ^afiduke OniH beAJtsioHing onelypre'ent things [^ note that hee ei- determmatvo. cludcth all foriTicr mcfits as thecounccli doth ) he enhndlethour tuntatemfedin- . . . rr r i i i I r r climtper nwdumtninds with the greatnejfe oftheglorjftocewe^andxvithpromifeofret uat"""'" "'" ^^^^ ■ ^^^^fl h r (Healing his wi/dome.he raifeth vp our afiewjhed will o Pelag.apuci to the dsflre and longing after Cod ; whileft he perfwadeth andexborv Veuf&ctm. '^'^ ^'^^ all good things. And ngaine to the fame purpofc he faith: • Itb.i. tap. to'. ^ God helpeth vs bj his do^rine a*id reuetation ^ whilefl he ope* t!s%fuemod'bo-*'^^^ ^^^ V^^ o/,caf.$.Nt'rtfore/i,vtvel or gtmng A coard to the r^ia?i$>ithepit ) he prepare: hhinofelfe by belee-jii"fJ'2M'„',''^el uingjhopi»gjepeatiUg^andpeyformtM(r^worl^es ofptetie^ torecetfte the'''^t"''f'"* pattnu- grace cftptftificattoH So that before lulhftcation.. and wichoutany /*g,^^,^„^r linward or inhabitant grace ot rc'gcnciation ,ciien by Fr^tfrr/Z/re. &iif'-arhitMb. cciuing oncly a helpc which is witiiout »t, a man hath faith,hopeje-/,yrr/r<>'.wC^ pcntance ,loue,b)' which, and for which (as Af.Bipiop i^iawatds^""'^"'^"''"' difputcih}God iv induced and nioucd to beftow vpon vshis iufli- «^/iMrf,«r«Tc/ fying grace. All this matter/^/. Bf(hop inihetfirteenthScdJon of'^^"!''.^'f''^' . this queftion fctteth dowix thus : Godl>jf h: God,but acf^cd '^oiiuiJ'^!'' by map himieire,becaiilc the :6l ot gracconGods part being com- tioD..v<-c?.M. pleat,thefe rcmaiacth a d:ainaand fcucraJI sit of the will ofman 'J^'T^'t tor admitting of tnar giace ctGod, vpon admitting whereof tol- P'l^.ti-a.V/'. Iov\eih the endowment ofthegiftsurGod , by wbici) fiKnccforiby^'^/.^^;.^;^^/- !Frf<'jr///woikrthacco''d".ngroihc will of God. AH this Pelagim grtti^fLc ft. ^eth With the hclpe oftheforefadgrAce. " By his latv^ by his Scriptures^ ]Vscr>p'url' ^htch we read or heare,he rvorksth that rve r/iay be willing • /?ut to con- /"" ^"*' "P'^*- ent or net conjent , ts^o ours^ as that ifive will , we do Jo; if net , tve f^deu confcmnr, attfe thAt :he worke of God aHailethnoihtnT. Kow rhen * he ih^rvfeth ^'^''"' f""/"*'- •' "^ -' re,r,ino/tiumr/t 't fi ve!iyn:a fit • finu'emno'jmiti^mh:'. in nJn optratitntn; DfiVitWe faiiiiHiis. x Contr.Peitg. vt fupra cjp. ) i. 3-y him , and hangeth his mlivpon the will of God, to whom being ioynedby clcaningjltlvnto htm Joe becommeth or is made onefptrtt with him : he fo cemmttteih himfelfe wholly to God,a»d morth fieth alt his owne will^t hat with the ^poftle he may be able t ofay , NoV9 Iliue^yet not Ijbt4t Chriflltsteth in me : he futtcth his heart intoGodt hand^thatGodmayinclifjeitwhitheritpjaUplea^e htm, Hcrcis Free will yeeJding aflcnt to God,ano from thencc(by aflirtance of grace vhich he alfojas we haue heard , acknowlcdgerh in his meaning, which is the fame vvith thcPapifts,to benecelTarieaIwaies,andin all things,) there follow the tvorkes of preparation , which hee cxpicf- feth by tcarraes o^runmng vnto GodJiefriKg to be guided by him^mor* • tifying our owne will p fit ting oar heart int o Cods hand, hanging onr will vpon Gods will. Now hereupon will hce haue to enfue the juliifying grace Jnd gift ofGod, which hee fignifieth hy becomming one fpi. rif with Godby hauing Chrifi to Hue in vsjby hauingGodto tncltne our . T ^ugufl.ihid. heartswhtthcr it pleafeth him. ^ A great helpe of grace indeed ^(mh mgmmprofe- ylnfim^thut Godtncltne otir hearts whttherhe will-, but this fo ore at adiutormm.vt helpc OS he (PeUgiHs^doteth ^ we then merit (or obtaine) when w/th" Z£"dS,' out any helpe,onelyby Free wtll, weruitueto God, deftre to be guided iffe dedinet : fed by him,(yc. That theft merits going before, we may fo obtain grace. that ^XZZfficut Go'imayinElweomheartwhttherhee will. And this isalio the very ipfedefqnt.tunc fclfc famc dofagc^that HOW poifclfeth thc Church of Rome. For if "fiZZTold^to. ^' B'H wiJ^ except, that they doe not affirme their works s of pre- rio mnnift de ar- pat At ton s toi^c Without any helpe of grace ^ onely of Free will: I aniwer Dminumcw." him,thatno more did /'tf/^^//^ j who accurfedtheoi (as hatbbeenc rimtu,&c:i,t hit faid) who held not the grace of God to be neceflarie to cuery adle, mtrLT/ceim -^^'^ y^^ ^^ that meaning, wherein5. y^«/?/«r fpeaketh oi^thehelpe (•nfequamtr ofGod, 3s whcrcby the thing it felfe is wrought in vs , wherein wee i7filS'^Jvo- are faid.ro bee helped ,thcy fiy,3s 5", Attflin chargcth Pelagius to iiterit.ipf' de- hauc fai d.that their preparations are without any helpe oferace . and \ Seedfterin Onely of tree Will , becaule there is tor the time ottnis preparation sta.15, no inhabitant or renuing grace.no habitual quality or gift of ^'race that Jliouldbethc worker thereof. 7 hey onely teach, as Pelagim did, a grace though internall in rcfpe6l of the man , yet co the will oneiytxternallyalTiiianr, moouinganddireflingit forrhedoingofl thefethingSjbuc inecrcly the willicfclfe is the doer of chem. Which ^ hereby alfo is apparanc , forthat if they were properly the effects of grace of Free mil. log •' ^ * BtUir.de grat. they fhculd by their doftrinc bee weritorioM fxconj/^ita, uhcreas &iib.arht.iiLf. now they arc denied fo to he,and thereby jre denied to be the pro- '^«/icJ^"w pcrtftcdts ofgricc. Ar.dhcncc/J/. 5//?'*^ thin Ice th rjhaiicancthcr ^"ranojirtt difference bccwixt thcPelagijn?and them, becMic Fe/ajtf44:\i(\r. j'a'r7>ci'im7'$. rned merns before thcgraceotiuftificarion,andihcy doe notfoBut i^'idfipffr^t this will not (cruc his tunie, bcc^uic BeUat mint cnnfeircth, 2sihc cuir,"diiurgra- trucii is- thar the Fathers in condemning Pelarijiu for affirminc "^> •"",'"■/''*''' gntceiobegtiften tn reJpeCtofmcrtts, did vndcrlianu merit ^irhcfi/tn^ decondtgno. thifi^ is done by our orvnepo^er.tnref-e^whereof nrace pi qtticyijhoavh " ^"gfft-'f"-''- ,4 , ^ . '^ I c ! u'' I r ^ 1. Ei»/l.PtLtg. the l^mc be not merit ex conaigno. iucn are tnci r works of prepara- Uk^.cai'.f. Pn-- tiyn, which are done by ojtr owne power in that mcanirtg ps the Fa- '^^ ^ l^/f /^ /'. thers fpakc, as hath bcene faid, becaufe they arc no proper cftcd^j here nrhirio-ut fit orrcncvviiio "race, and arc di-fcndcd by them to bcc the C3ufc for ^'-^ " '■""-"-•''" I I ^ \ I I T- I f 1 I r d,: i>ro pramto. which God be(to«cth liisg ace vponvs. Thcyderend therefore c ibiiNos/aci- that which was condemned inthePaligians, thutthe grace «/g withrcafon, thatx^hdefi a^Anwell vfahhis orvae{'^""if'^'"JZ[' potrer, God .iccvrd:ngio his more excellent power doe xvort^ more ex- utt.emexcelknu- cellentlj. They thinke them lehics well difchargcd.for clutthey put e'ii^,^^£^'Jj.,o<, no merits before the fi:rtgrace,as they C3 11 if, whereas therein they HxcmtcUigitur fay no more th^cn Pelagin6A\a.\-\c rnsi^ct he fir/i grace ^aihing com- DamTi'Ig^n!^ mon both to the wicked ^inct to thegodlj^to Pagaai and Chrifttans.to be- a-gueChnftu. /r^j/fr;4«i^/«j?if/j',con(i'HM;; ill iT^otions and illumiiia- ions, offered ^'y/^^ to all, and left toeiKTv' mans I'reewt//, to acceptor rcic»f:\them,'7""'':/^^'''*^" rucn Wo doe they. They fjy, that before thai fir/i grace there are no (7c7uJcgr'i-. merits at nil prrccdenc:ruen To faidhc,af-hrminq the calltneot God. &!'b..ub, M.i. W-i'deji he findeihvs gtuen to CArthlj /ftps, and/i^e bruit be^tfij louing ^'^f|^. c^o ««- inelyprefent r/?/«g r,as his ownc words haue told vs. But /^^ (ivfl qrace '"«''/-''«-'f«^. VYpreuentiyig grace, before which thcFatlier« Oy there arc w^w^- ;:y!.,7JPf:,_gV/^". \itstntH(itfytt:(r arace,^ the qrare vhercb: hem^ik'^ih vs to n-.i/kc lo ob. •^•f''^<^•7'^'/•'"f erne, to do: vvtiat he commandcth, whereby 'kc himleltc workcth v^ ob(eru.rum, :hccffw-6tofthat. which citnerby outward \r.i\r. dlion, crinw..rd ]-' /•••"•""«*^- , ,, ' .1 - HitL- eft gnttia notion and illumination nc dociicomuKi.d votovs: B.forcih;s4j>;<;./-^'-/««',»<»» jracc they place ihcir merits or works ot prepaution, thereby f o ';j;^^^^'/^^f •* obiainc 11 o ofFreewtU. c^'!/)f./;4.Ki'.2j.obtaincit, contrarietothewordsof the Apoftltf, as.?, ^fifl/fiv\t' jEnchir.aip.ii. nefl ctli ; ^ Not ofvfioryesjcfi any man [hou/d^oafi.zndaoiinc, if it ht &gmt.cti>.i9. '^fg^'*ceyim**otofivorkss. And nccnntncJriniquiue is the greater, VofibiUtMembu- in chjtthey borrow the termesofa diflini^ion oM grace prenement defindttyvthoml ^t^id^ulffecjuent from S\ Ahjiin, and apply it orhcrwife then he meaiu perLibemmar.. ir, to thc maintenance ofan bcrefic, whicli he oppugned by it.ThHS rinechriftimmi. M. Btjh&p for HIS Iifccannot imagine a better accord, then tncreis nef^bi^uefjt bctvvixt PeUqttu tljc Hcrctickc and their CounccU of Jrent, both fojje credatur. . . ^ , t ,- i • i ■ . . , f y ^ndmd. Ortho. auouclimg, aiid by rraudulcnc dcuiccs mamtdining the powc*r or ^^^^^*J^V ^'"^ nature and Free will againft the truth oftKcgraccofGod. And to uMgefica Hobit alTurevs that they attribute thereto as much as Pelagtns did, ^ rvha percknflt*,7iit- f, defended the power ef nature, at th.tt a man xvnhont the name of tafoe or more conjiant ,u hich do heat ar.dknoci^unti^mttu at : he heart , hutfo , at it is left tn the hbertte of the nill to accept ^ or re- ^y^f^'/'^f ";'[jf ftffe,c{i€n in asplainctcarms as Pelagites {;x\d,^ that to confent toGodiurvotufttatem confjfleth in mans Free will , and that by lihettte of nature heedothfo if '^,l„fJ,Z^^l he irr// This paincsl hauc taken to vnhood AI. Stfhop^ndWis Ccun- /'« UkrtMerno. cf 1 ofTrcnt,& to make good ciiat that I hauc before afl^rmcd, that '^ZmuZT^^ the Church of Rome now maintaincth the hcxc^ic oi PelagtHs i(ft&re;;cert: wliicU anciently was condemned by the Church of Rome. That ^'/^''^j,* "^''^ whicli he alleadgcth ou' oiThomai Aqmnoi is of the lame ftampe, /?«*'« I'tq^nd* IK ichtr can his nnriqu:t;e of three hundred ycercsadde any grace ^ahjulj^'dllfli'V to that which eight hundred yeares before him was vniucrfally <»''M^<"'»;«»y?^« condemned by the whole Church. Whether A/. PerktnsHsrc^-^^f^'^'J*^^^ fons doe dcftroy their alTcriion o^ Free mil ^ vpon dctci mining the ^'"«''''>'« ^" . Hate ofthc queftion in the next fedion it fhali appeare. fo'efi'vfv^fhf. cifiantur vet ( / « 'ftm patiiHtHr. X ^g'*fi- Ejiift. 1 07. Cou(i>ttire homimt Ubero arbitrit cenflituium tft, c?"<« hibtrttU .liurtu'iji vidt fa(it,fi u»»-vtdt,mH fmit. 6. W. Bishop. Notvthe very point eontrouerjed , Concerning Free will , M. Per- vmhath ejMHe omuted , which con0ethtnthefe two potnts.y exprejfed Hthe Councell .' Ftrji^whtthervce dee freely ajfentvnto the faidgrace^. ?henit ts offered vs ^ thjt is , vohether it lie in our power t or e fit fe it ; (indfccondly, xrhen weconcurreattd worke with tt, tvhetherwe could if fe lifled refnfe toworke xvith it /« bothxvhich points we hsldthe affir- natiue part ^andmo(ifeElarifS of thus ttme the negatiue. Ofwhtch our Author ts (ilent : onlj by the way in bi^ fourth reafonjoucheth trvo texts m ofS.Vji\s\, which are commonly alleadged again/} Free mil. ■ R. Abbot. This true point orthecontroucrfic is contained in the propofi- a ^uiit^.toj. on of the Pelagians , that * to confent to the Go/pel is not the gift ^f ^JJ,'^!',2^I <4t/i 4»4um Dei/ed bn nobit eft 4 Hobit , id€ft,ixPr»jrriii vvlu/ttan , ^uam a»bn in neftro corde non ootralm tji if ft. Cod 1 12 of free mil, ^Jitm degmt, Gg4^.^fft th.^t this we haUit of enr fches, that u to fay. ofottr owne wiS, Chnjh cow.Pe- 1,1.1 , J •' / t^ 1 1 . ^ lag. & cdejL which hff bath ft9t vpYougbt for vs $n our hearts, r or tnu s y ou naue, iW, c'^jS'ibid B'I^'>?i a^J 1^15 while affirmed, that grace hauing performed and Non foium Dm doiiC whac appertaincih to it for the conuerfioiiof man, there is ^f^fr't behind adiaind and proper ad of the will, which cither by confcn- uat fideciam tiHg andyeeldiog mskcth good, or by dilicnting and refunngma- TpLtrTJJbi l^cth fmiir^tc alj that grace hath done. This you all inculcate and ^ibus' p<^^f'^> ^hat wc may be able to confcnt and will , but adtually to con- op9rtetfien,tn- fcntand Will, islcrfc ftii'l free to our ownc will and choice. And eordavtbocve. tnu»,.W^. ^ifeffp, you youf Iclfeinforme vs, when propoundmgtht ii»t,eofa!icetin- ^i[} p:\rt oftUc outOiion Whether vfc dofrffffy ajfe»t 'ontoaracervbe^ timantcMUiitt ■ rr 1 i ■ ' t »• • r r ■ • i 1 mhu mimbtU tt ts offered VS, that ts^oether tt Ite tn ourporver to rejuje it, y ou nolc woioe^/wf^iiAjffirj^-jatiuely, thitby Freewill w(iegL{{cm vnto grace, hauing itii Etdi'bonofnfc- out[>o\\Zi andchoiccto rcfufethefame. Whether this bee foo^ wfnM/>.23./;f«/?f«, "thatGod dothm eor noilmm,.&c. otielj gme vsytni hslpe vs to be able to veilt and to vporl^y but aljo tpoyi • Deprxdejt. f^^jj j.^ y^ ^g will and to worhe : hee doth not fo oft r vs grace, as t fancl.caj!. 10. per ^ . "^ t • r tr t , tr • ~M hoc vt promt fa leauc VS to alleut vnto It it we Will, butnimlclreworkcth alloinvtl ftixDeMpajfif: j^ \q^^ willinp, and to piue our afient vnto it, who ^fo hath owr^' impkrenonejt o' t) > r n 1 lit mDsifedinho- hearts in hisporper, OS that in !VOnaerfma»dvnfpeA^ea&le manner bee ' rnimpotefinte. ^gyLg^fj jnvs to Will that crooi thut vfe CAmot hauebfttrvithoHr nill, . promifitDcus And Ahf teis you ny that/f lieth in our power to refufe the grace of I 'nlZ^Sai-"^^^' you thereby Cubie^' the accofffplf/hmem ofihepromifeofthe'f etarenmr. gracc ofGod, fothepowerandn^illofman .• fothacif man lift, it Oiall I l^AtapX' f^^^ P'"^' *' '^"^3" 'i^ "°^ 'f Oiall not take place. ^God promifed I CredttMos pro- children to Abraham, that (houldfollow thefieps of h>^ faith. ^He pro* • dllmffsprom- mtfedthsmforgiuenejfeoflinKeSyobedteKce^ perjeuerance^ thefeareof\ jk^obditiirosfer- him. He olFcreth grace to that purpofc, where if it lie in mans power ' b^ittll'ULM. toreff'ethefame, thcn'uwuiibc in m:im power wheiherthepromife 1 liondcnujir.e^ ofGodpJall be fulfllledoT Ho^. But God did^ not ma^ that promijiit 'fi'Je,(edIe%'i vpon the povper ofour Will, as foreieeing whntwee would doe, but f-.tdejHmitane vpon hls orvne mrpo'^ffy dctcrm'uVinr'Vjhsv he hirKfelfewould doe- caU' fiemtltt.Prom.fil: ' j / / / / ; 1 t ■ r enim quod ipfe J^'<^'g fn^^^ f^ <*<^^ What he hitth Commanded ^ not hauing from men toper* faiiiirus futrat , tion quod homH:siqn:a etfi ficiun " honiims boita, ([u.t pirtintnt ad cokndum Deur/Jtipfefacit v[ ilhfaciant f «.€ pr*ctfitj ven iHi faciunt vt ipf: ficta!: quod prsna/ic. forme forme rvhat heh4th'fyomiJed, bccaiife he intended fuch ' a etAce^ not ' '*»"/»'♦"■;//6'^«defcribcih, ° Eucry ^■'<*"o'"'^''o"^ tne that is borne of Gedfnneth not ^neither cnnhe (tnne ^ ihit is, f^ruc uijo'h.?.?. linne,g!'j(r bimfclfe altogether ouer to Cwne^becdtifehee isborne of'-^'^gdecmreft. God^ which is hccrc the hjppie beginning of the cuerlafling bleffcd ZSenl!'vo'" (lateof Gv-^ds cle(5l ; ° fij'&fipojjepeccare^ non poffe bonttm deferere, to ^""'i'-i emt poft be freed from all pofibilitie of finne, or forfaj^ng that good that God^jf^l'Z'l^'^ hathyeeldedvr.to vs by Icfus Chrifl. Nowhccrcby wee fee how '"•""•f"*'"' abfiirdly M.BiPjfp propoundeih ihc fecond part of this qu'.ftion,r54'(/n-' f<»-^ yxhenxve Conchrrc toworkewith q^race .whether wee could, if wee h(ied "I't'&g'f-'^-^-^' r r I • / r- 111 T I r , n "^ , ^ ^ ^ ^natiUbu dicert' rejHfe to irorkewithtt. ror whodoubteth but nwelift^ivedoerefyfe? eUannogMic but therefore the workcorgraceis that weefliall nor ///? t« refu,'e^'"'f?'"J'fi": ■ I 1 r I 1 I n n \t • r , ■ ,-. ret l!dtsPtt>i,('g. the worke of grace, butthatoiir //// Ihctli Dee tolubinit our klmsfesiuramfiofcfi ivnto it. ^ Where Chnji praieth for Peier that his fuih mi^ht KOt^'''"VT'^!'''' I /. , ,, J / I I r r <-* / ri vo'.uijpf, hoc \faile^ will any man dare lofty that it zK/ght faile if Peter Itsttohaue it elh {'«■■"" '^f% »« Ifaile.tk-itis, woHldKot hatie ittoperfeuerevnto the etd f As if PeKr^T'J'/^'V'r \coHld liji or Will in any fort otherwise then (fhrifl had prated far hini^ rMitdVdruj v!h \that he miaht xrill. For who k»'Aveih not, th.tt Peters f.iuhfljould fntle "^^l^fctrvi,^'' \ifthe wtlUf faith fhonld fade in b m, andconiif.ne, ffthat fjould con- r'-g^JJei vt veiu '^imte ? But bee AHfe the Will is prepared by the Lord, therefore the prai-'^~';;^fQJf^^^^^^^^^^ pr of Chrifi for Peter could ;isi be in v.ii.ie , whereby heepraxd that he '/"" Jidt>n Pejri, Uptight hatie in iht faith a mojifree, mojljlrong^ inutKCible andperftne- ^'rltvo'lntl "ipfx rinqwill. This is the'Aorkeof Qtaceto all the faithful! : ii Ibndeth '/'A';**' c- ttr- ** '-^ >ra>ifiiraw fi es- demit u>>tjt »ii-\ , mtt f fid quia pr/'p.trMtur vc.'untx a Domino, tdit pro tl/o nm po(Jit tfft intmis or.ttio Shsmdo ng.un; tr'^o ne fides tut dcfictrtt, ^taidiiui rogauit, uifivt bab*re( in fitle klxmmam, furU^nmrn, muUtJJiaum, iwtovnderft3nd ; natleauc himto vndeiftand if hec will, bur make himtovnderji and To this purpofeisthe fcccnd y j.Cor. J.14. rcafon oi M. Perkins, that ^ the naturallmanperceihethnot the things ofihefptrit of Hod ; that they arefooltljjneffie vnto him ; that hee cannot a VerCicji.' k»ov(> them becaufe they are only fptritually, that is, ^ by thefpirtt to bee difcernedi.l^ t[\zxt be no free wil in fpirituall things,without iudging and difcerning,and vnderftanding thereof, and there bee no difcer- a vcrfji?. ning or vnderifanding thereof, but onely byihc^ fpirit and minde of Chrifi, (urely in nature there can bee no Free tp/Z/rhat can bee helpe- full vnto vs, to the attainment of fpirituall Iife,and the power thcr- ii of Free will. 1 1 j- of fcructh but tocondcmnc for follie the counfels and inftrui^ions thereto tending, the u ifdome whereof it is not able (o apprehend. Let grace doc what may t)e done, yet natute perceiuetli nothing ofthefpirir, if the raniefpirit of grace workc not therein to pcr- ceiue. Now where the vndcrftanding is capable, ycc what per- ucrrcncircandcrofncfleftill rcmainerh in the will ? Ithood-win- kcrhthe minde, nnd makcthic fccmc toitfelfenot to fee when it doth Ice ; it fliurtcth the gates, and intcrccpicth the paffigcs of the vndeiftandingjfliunningcoadmit any thing whereby It (lioiildbec chcckcdaud interrupted in it courfe; ''it h^ttethand'4 afratdtovn- h^ugdeverh. {ierjUnd, ihat it maj no: be vrge^to doe when tt d»th vnderfland. Yea -^P"!^-!"^- ' »• where the confcicncc is conun5lcd by knowledge andvnderftan-fr/.i;?;/;./7«OT*«- ding, yetthe will being entangled with it owne reipcc'^s, bow J^'f^^"^'^^^^'J' mightily doth it ftiugglc and fight againit God ? and neucr ccafeth mium me»teper~ fighting, till Go^ Aoc' heale the rcbelliofjs of it, nocbv puttinijitin ''"■/'""*'^r'«f'-'- cale to ycel J it it will, buc working in it to will and to yceid vnto ijwdimeUexerit him.' And when will hath now begun to yeeid, what vnto ward- {""^qJ-^. linefle doth itfinde in thcaffcdions, which as a fwiftand mightie ftreame,doeeuefy while ouerbeaieboth theiudgement of the vn- derftanding, and the rcfolation of the will, fo that ** ivee cannot doe d Galy.17. the things that we would. The pcrucrfcncflc whereof, ifitpreuailc fo much with men iuftificd and in the fl:ate of grace, as that ir cau- fcth many bitter lamentations for cuerfights thereby committed contr«rie to the intendment of the will, how much more doe they like flattering Dalilaes, binde all our rtrenpth^and cucrcome all the powerofnatutc, when the will as yet hath rcceiurd noforcification ofinward grace to refift and fight againlUhem f Seeing therefore the heart is on the one fide foblindcthat it cannot fee, and on the other fide fo pcrnerfe^ as that one while it will ijot fee, an(>ther vvhilccrofleihwhatloeueritdoth fee, wee may well fay as SAujlin doth : *^ JVhatgotdmay a man doe out of a heart that is not good ? but to « ^„jj,(i, rom, haue our heart qood. xve mufl looke to himthat fatth, Irrilloiue joh a ''"-^"P'I^- ^i^%\ t "^ f, r r y n i ''^ ^ r lib.A.CiP.6. §uid «etv heart, anavotll put tnto you anew jptrtt : io that till the heart hccpouftishonti^cc- lenewed and made good, there is no doing good, and therefore ''-'t'^'^''"""',**' noaffcnting to the grace of God. Thcthirci argument of Af. Per- karucorLwtm j •i^iw/heoitiittethwith ther.ft, andyctlightingvponfome idle dc- •^•'^ '"?'"'» <^'^- uice afterwards, he thought good to (cr it do wne in ftead of an ob- ic(5lion, wJiichlliaUbee examined in the place which he hath giucn I 2 it. 1X6 Of Free w^: it. The fourth rcafon is taken from rhat that the Serif ture in the contierfion of ajir.ner afcrtbeth all to God, andtioihirgat ali to mans ^^gIu'.k. f?'^*? w/Aasappfarethfrom thetermesof^»^B'^/r/^, ^Kewcreation^ h Ticj.s. ^regenerattcn.0'c. Whereby is argued, that as man conferreih no- thing to his generation and birih ; (o neither doth hec to his rege- neration and n.w birth. Asmjndoth nothing for himielfc in iiis crer.tionj fo hath hee nothing whereby to frcacl himfclfe to become a new creature. VVhereto agrccch the dcfinitioii of the ancient 1 Tulgent.adMo- Churcli : * ^^ee in no M't[e faffery nay according to irhjlefome doUrine, "'""'■''^•'•.^•^'*^.^'^'. tvee forhid, whether tn oar faith or in our uorkes, to chalUnae to our tenia Itmmus, imo ^ -' , •" , , . '-^ ftiliibnterprokihs- fe lues any tbifigoi our ovt'ne. Wee nauc to cnaiienge nothing asour fZ '"I'im'ifm- <^^'"^ J and therefore it is not our a6^ of Fresmll, bu: Gods vvorkc ftrnopere, unrjua. in V3 to ijflcntto thc gfacc of God. How then doth M. BiP^op fay-, *g3tt^;/'-thattnisisnothingagain«hirTi, who faiih in cffca the fame thJt k^ug. coyitf.Ve- PeUgiiiS didj '' /f /^ of God that tveare abla to doe orfpcake or toihinke ^cap%!'ilfbdflf-'^'^y ^^'^Z^^''-^^ ^ i°°^ ' ^^ff^doe, or to fpeake^ ortothir\e^ tt is oar funmomne bo>!u ffWijo, bec3n(e, if wce bclccuc him, the grace of God leaiicth it to tTrr'S'^S ""'^ owne Ffce will, either to accept or refufc, to doc oi not to hoc j'oife domuit ■■, do, tovvotke withir, or notto workc. A'^. Perkins fjfc reafon is VeUgimJ^vd taken from the iudgcment of the ancient Church j which bow far loqiumur.-vei jfauailech wee fliall fccanon : but bee that well wcigheth thefc fimmeft.' " reafons, and the circumftances of them, as M. Perkjns hath fet them downe, will furely thinke, that cither Af.B/fhop was not well awake, or his wits heere in the beginning of his bookc were not yr t well come to him, when he pafled them oner with this Oj inion, x\\:i{they Were all for them. But hce thought hee had a 'ongway to gofj and was loth in thc beginning to put himfclfe out of hrcath. 7. W. B 1 s H o p. i.Cor.15. Thefitfli I haue (y^//^ hee) laboured more abundantly then all they, yet not I, but the grscc of God which is in me, rf///i^«f;«^r^f whole worke to grace. To rvhich I briefly anfaer, that they doe corrupt the texti to make iifeeme more currant for them : the Greece hath only HcfUntemoijiv^/r/j iif,.withmee, »Saint Auguftine,»'^flOT they pretend to follow* mofi of Freewill \ 17 mojiinthisw^ftcr, expoundeth tt. Yet nod, butthcgrac^ of God ^'i^f'f'^l'^' with nice 5 th.tt w,not F ;ilone, but the'grace ofGod with mcc. And by this neicherthcgraceof God alone : neither hccalone^ but the grace of God with him: /WS. Anguftinc. The l$ke fern ence iiwthe bookeoffVtldome. Send tliat(wirdomc) from chy Holy hcaucn, that Ctp.y. itmay be with me, and labour with inc. R. A BBOT. Corruption oftcxrs is not wont to be but for aduantagc. It U no aduantagc more to vs torcjde "" the grace of God tphtch tsinmety "*' °'''^'°' l\\Qt\ ioxcn\i: the grace cfGodrvhtch is With ntte. The ancient father Hierom readcth jc both waies: one where, ^thegrace of God 'i^'hich- jouini^nM.i; istnme ; ^n(M\'\tx\\\\^\Q.^'^ the grace of Godxvhichuwtthmce^ as be- V^'^*"''"^/"'"*- twixt which in (.ffc6l there is no diftorcncc. To rcade, the grace of qfi'^J,^'^"^^^,^, Godvfhichu tyirHte, though it doe not iiccrc literally anlwere the P'%^*-^' Giceke,yet hath no other meaning but what the Apoille tlfe- whtrciufiifieth by the fame phrafcof fpccch ; ^Nov^ I Ime 5 yet not f'hK>.i"'.\^.\T. ifeake of any thing xvh/ch ChrtU h.;thnct xvroHqhi by mee, drc. ^Vhrrc ' P''"""! "pu^ Photttti thus obferiicth ; ' He ijieweth that nothing is h/s^ but alhvholy c'pT^'!'oih>:dit' is Chr:fis. IfalhvholicbccofChrilhthcnisnopait tobecafcfibc'd r'*^»'^--'* 1 3 to ayiju. liS OfFreemU, tothefr^^wiZ/ofman. The Pelagians vrg^d tHis place to the Co- rinthians with the fime pretence that M.Btfhop doth. Let him vonf.^poioget. (3kcthe ar.fwcrof Oroftm as fpoken to him; " ThouheedUfepre- ^LdlncJiite fftmptu0U4 man. what dsfi thauloakf ^^ ^^^f hg faith, with me f Marke ^''■'^"'^^^^jj^i^' rvillth4t he hat6 fi^Jifaid, Not I. Betwixt.mt I,and,vptth mee.com- ''mecumhAttenit meth tft themtdd (i , the grace of God, nhof indeede it is hth to ■will ijuiaprxmiferit, ^„fl(gy^Qy(^g f^^y .}je making of agoodxvill^ alheit the mil he thetvtl/of propter^iTbic mdn. IFherefore he was bolde to fay , voith me. becAufe hee ktdfaid not ,iuovrba,^on m ^ f^ fj ^^^^ ofGois povper v9orkeih in the mil of man, uhich graxWDei media hathgtHento it towHl thg fame. Jf hereupon the conjcteKce of man fi&t%f&~ f^oM^th and faith ^ not /, but theg race 0/ G oigtuct hhim that hee may prficenpro hrfia. faj With mec. P<*«/ chcH faith and may f3y> rvithmee, bur it is not by w?W«'^4't.-anypr^pe''3<^'^oFhis owne Free vpitl, buc b/ the ondie gift and mn:s.vnde& workeot'gtacf , whercby He atcaincrli to (ay^ mthmee. AnJnoo- ^;;;:;J£;^i;^herwirewou!d5.^/hf'.c.tf.^.yd I alone, but the grace of God veiih mee ; and therefore neither the eft,Kon(ln.->[ed qyacc of God ahfie , nor hee himfelfe alone, bm the crace of God ^citrntacperhe: withhim Now the ncxc vvords arvT ; Bm that hee ^oi called from ticcgriti.7D:i heaiicn , and by that mizhtie and moft effdluall calk'^f rvas Con- foU,necip(e folui .'^ V^ ^ ^, •', / ^ £ r- i fdgratixDe^. uerted , Gratia Dci erat Jola , tt was or.e'te the grace of God, »i'" ''■''■■' <>- i_ • r t I r • ' fera leqiicrentur^ With grace to bring toorth the rruites of all good workes. So that qiud ait .- Ecgra- Saint Jufline Icaucth vs this place vcric ftrong to prooue that'"""''^*^' both our conuerfion, and our woik'ng with grace, when wee are <:onueried, is altogether and wholy to bee actriburcd vnto grace. Hcercby the other placciscleercd,if it were ought vvctth. 8. VV. B I s H o p. Thefecondtextis. Jt 1$ God that woi kcth in v«,both to wiU and^^''**''^" to accompIi:eiy dtf- fofitions and no e^cienicaufe of thofe habits : but this is an htgh point offchooleDiuinittey veriettuCj butnoteafUe to bee Concerned of. the vnlearned. R. Abbot. S. Aujline in exprcfTe tcrmci contradideth M. Bip^op/siy\m.y * vt >^.;g.d( {■/»(.& ' velimtisfine nobis operatur : iriihout vs he worketh tn vs towtll. And lo ^i'i!'"''^'?'/]'^' S. Bernard a.\Co faith, that b the creating ofVs to freedome ofwill^ is grr.tcf lib.irht. wr0uqht without vt. Our will is the fuDied wherein it is wrouvhr, 5'""^''"''^"'"> but the emcient caufe thereot is oncly the grace ot God. This M. f^Ha e/i u- fw Btpiop dcnicth, bccaufc the Aportlc in the words inimcdiatlie be- "'•*^- I 4 fore • 1 2 o of Free will, fore faich, ^orkj ontyottr falftatioft with feare and tremhllttg. Bat the • Apoftic-when he biddeth them ^^tve?^4.^,biddcch them to doit wrt/> *S:ih^'cit cltlfhl'J'^'^''^^ *^"^^^^^'^^^*^^* ^^^^ ^sthsLZ^^The Jpofi/e addeth the caafCf Dcuscilmint, (mh S , /4u/t(»e : foritisGodthiitvPorhethiftyoHtorviHandto tvork^, optrax'ilr^in u! ^f^^ ovDMe goodwll. If then God xvorks ^^ (^^^i ^^ '^^ h ^^^ g^'^se of God gram Dei bene 0- f/j^t ihou Wffrks/f wsH, ftot hy thinc oxvne poirer. How pei ueifly then IZZll.'^'"^ "'"' doch Ai. BiP^op deale, that when the Apoftle vfeth the latter words toexpoundeth former, he will take the former words to croflc the litterf Men are to bee called vpon by exhorrstion ro doc good workcs, but yet they are to kno"A-e, that the re wss (aid, oiitins nopartortheefiicient cau!e. contend r:No:t vviiercbv it is v> Touj^ht [u VS to wiU. The ArauGcjnc CounccU dc- fiir?!'.rt vdirmii termincth^^ that tfany man doe mamtawe, that GodevpeBeth oht will ^Zfini!iyJim& ^^^' ^^ "^ beepurgedfiom(ift'/je^ and doth not confejfe^ th^t by the in- cperattoHim in fuftoJi afid Operation of the holie Ghofl it is alfo vpvQttqht in vs to bee ivtl. 7uZff2t"Xc-'^^^^ ^^ ^'^?'*^'g^^' ^^ rejtfleth the Apoftle, tn that hee preachetb aecor. fioloy&c. dtnfftorvholifome do^rtne, thatttisGodtahich rvoy^ih itjvs,^ both t» XV ill ^toxeorke^of his goodwill. This M. Btfhop maintaineth : he faith thatGodoftcrcthgracetothatpurpofc, butcxpeiSleth cur willto of Free mil, j2i make good tliat grace to our felucs : he confeflcth that Godjlirreih and hclpetb forward 9t4r mll^ buc cannot endure to fay, that it is God that vvorkcch in vf. to vpilL He aiifwcrf rli yet f'urtJKr, thut thf vrhole may be (Utrihuted to God^ bccau'} the h.iblts of grace wfuftdfiefro htm tufole efficient ofihs^oar at'itos endued alfo wtth grace ^heing only dtjpo. j fitionsyiy noefftcient c.^Mfcofthofehahits, Buthcrcin hcabfurdly tri- flcthjby altering the (btc of the qutftio.For the controucrrie is not :i ofthc efficient caulcofnifurcdgraccbutofthccHicicDtcaureofour ) iTcciuing that grace. VVcfiy, that the holy Ght^fl vvoikcth the fame iinmc diat'y HI our \a ij!; they (ay,th.it the gr^cc oFGod and the Free will o{ man nrake ^ one ejficient canfeo^ihQ rccciuing thereof. They ^^^ndralo.th. favjthat God cftereth his grace with conditonifw^^ wtlU buc wc fay, "'?'''"'•''*;'»• .L i^ 1 I J- rill- '^ ^xg'■1"''&U- tmt Uoci wit. /ourpurtinpvj to condition ot our w'il,vvorkcih invs iero.ni;r,MT,»._ to u ilt,r.nd where lie exprclferh a condition doth himielt'c pcrfoi mc '^^l^'l'S^^j''' thefame ' gittingvchat he commAndeth, and'^ htmfelfema(^y.gVitodoptiam afpUcati- v:hiit he recjhi/eih to be done. The words ofthe Apoftlc arc plain for 'TJi^ ccnUtTJ- vSjOnj as piainragainftclKm. Nowit Oiouldreenje chat their di- io.frf/M9.D liu onciy cfi cientcai rcoraliin-/^«<'''-'-; hisrtfmg fromjUne. . Ati(\v. Suy^ />, thnt he cannot Jbtf ore God by his grace hMh cjuivk^ ned^i!^ a^ it rrere, reuiued h;niy to which grace of God, mangtucs hu free coiifent. Hoiv can that be^ ifhee were then dead ? Marry you mufi re. member what ha'Jj bee y? f aid before : t hat albeit man infnne be dead in thf way of grace, yei hre liueih naturalLe, andh^ih Free rvtlltn naiurall find cniiiadiONS: which will of his beeing by grace fort tfied^dr as it were lifted v^ vnto a higher decree ofperfeCiion,c0n then concurre andworks with grace tofiit h. and all good workei neceffarie to life euerlafltyig. ( /■< s for examp e '] a Crab t reeflocke hath no abtlttte of it jelfe ., t o by tug fot th avples.yjr I hercfore m^y be tearmed dead in that k_inde ofgoodfruite.yet let a (iance of apples be grafted into if y and it Wflibe.:reaDp/es .' euen fo albeit our jonre corrttpt nature ofitfelfe be vnable to fruthfie to life e- uerlajlmg I2Z of Free mil. Cap.i. uerlaflmgjet hauing recemed into it the heanelj graft of Gods grace, it is enabled to produce the fweete frutte of good workes : to rvhich al/udeth S. lames : Recciuc theingrafFed word, which can fauc our foulcs. //g4/'«tf, what more dead then ihttd^nhl&yetttbeiffgtiUed and fovpedyd9th bring forth, and bears goodly come : novp thex9ord and Uv. w. grace of God is compared bj our SamoHr ktmfelfe vnto feede, and our hearts vnto the earth that receined it : vehat marmlthen ifvfe otherrvije deadjyet reuiued by thlslinely ftede, doyeeld plenty of pleajing fruit ?■ R. Abbot. Thisol)ie6tion M. B^/hop faichjhce co!lc(5Veth out of /W. Perkint third rcaronagainftFrbe(:i.i. ^' PerktfJSf^J'yhenwexveredea'iinfinnes. M. Bt^op anfwereth fare it is that he cannot, before God bj his grace hath qHicker^cd and as it were renitiedhim^ to which grace of God-man giueth his free consent. Which anTwer, who is fo blind asthat hce cannot fee how abfurdlie it crolTeth it felfe ? Man rruft giue his free confcnt to grace, that he may be quickened thereby ; and yet man cannot confcnt or concur with God, before he be quickened by grace. If man cannot confcnt or concurre with God before he be quickened, then the confent of ofhisowneFr^^jfr/Zcannotb^e the efficient caufe of his quicke* ningjbecaufe that that comnieih after, carnrtbeJp caufe of that that necellarily goeth before, and the eftc6l is ncutr the caufe of it own caufe. And t(^isiUndeed the verie truth, iuftified by M.Bi^ofi ownc words, againfi: his will. But his whole difcfci'rfe driueth the other way, ihut a man not yet quickened, muft by Fre«. will giue confenttograce, and concurre with God, that hce may be quicke- ned *, becaufe though grace be ^^ftercd, yet it taketh no effed vntitl our Freewill doc make way for it, and doe adde it ownc mdeauour and hdpe to the worke thereof. Which is all one as to require of a deadbodietogiueconfenr,3nd topuctoitowne hdpe for the re- ftoring ofit felfe to life againc. Yetheethinkethtoclcerc the mat- ter of all impo/Iibilitic: for asking the queftion aoime, How caff that ■ be, of Free will. I23 bee ('namely, that ir an fhouM glue his free confcnt to p,r«ce yifhee , vperethen de.^df he anfwerrrh, Af at ry y on ntHJi remember vchti hath i 6eenfaid before y that albeit m4» mfintte be dead in the »Ajf of grace jet heeliycth naturally^ and hath Free wtliin naturali and ciui/ZaSlions, But whacisrhistoibcpuipofe, feeing th3r^im»^//)'hccfiill conti- ' nu - th 3 dead man ? Y^"i h\Mth'.i will of his beetng forttfied and lifted vp toahigherdeareeof perfeUion, cah then concur and woke with gr^ice ^ to fAtth c^ allgood rv&ri^ts ncreffarie t» life euerlafling. Where he dot h V hut runnr in x ring, and in other words repeatcth the fame anfwer, /h! flicking fjrt in the brifrs, whrrcin he W3s tangled before. For ' -w Js tiiii wjII to be fortified and lifted vf to a higher degree of perfe- jn ? Hee hjrh told vs befcre, bj nrace.in\x\\2iX togrn<;eman mufl ^ tihis free Con fent. So then he tellcth vsthat Freervillc2i\mo\ con- i :i re and vvorkc with grace, except by grace it be firH fortified & ! Tccd vp to a higher degree of pcrfcd^ion r and yet it cannot be for- cificdbv grace, andhftcd vptoa higher dcgice ofpcrfccfdon cx- c-piit fir,^concurrc wuhgr^cc. I may here ngaineiwft.'yreturnc v- i>n him his ownc words, See how vnccrtair.e thefie^pesare of men ^that w.ilke tn d trk»ejje^ C^c. Now the Reader will obfcrue that the I oVxcSiio^'X'i o\ m^n dead Oi touchiwgFr'tewilltorighte'otifneffej^wA i«e ^■)\.\xrcthofnatHra/lFreeml/oKflyfortifiedand/tftedvp to a hirrher t\d:grteofferfeElton. What fo'tifjing is thereof a dead m-tn^nnd^ow lf!'o:jld he be lifted vp to a higher degree ofperfe^i^fi, except lice firll ici^oucr lifefVV'liV. doflii^ce by bibiing and trifling bobbe bis Rea- der, and make fhcwto laylomcthijjg^ when indeed to fhcpu.pofc * fefurl* nothmgat all i The argument fiiM rtandeth impregnable, n is not on ly weake and vnpcrfcii:, bur (;/tf«<;^,not /;.i//^/e likened to the ^ Shu "^^'f/'^T'^f'',- n -.nattesfonbeetng. dead^ whom the Prophet FJi^eiu tailed trom the ^^cap ^.&de c ad. He n.iiR be ma Je'' aduefrom thedead,Mo:x hccan concune 'j'^,''*'"^-^'*'^'^"'- vMth grace. ^Ni^\ch\\ Af B ifh op conk i\c^ ot bccanfc he cannot de- <=Rom.<.ij. ry, riicretorcheennilKonfcfl-alfo, that as the dead man hath !io- tlii ig whereby to hclpchimfclfeto rcceiue life agiine, lo mm fpi- j\:ai\\y de.-jd, '' tnnardlyin fotflede^id^ hath rothing in him, no h- c 1 cicor power o! thc'oiile, uheteby hre can any way furrher the l''''^"^-'!^'''*' r • I- n I / • - II I i>or,i. tr.xi. ic>.ou.-ricort i> OAne lite. Butiohlivptnemcalurc ot hisfory,he.\j-„«<„ ,^v»- ^■' i; f-t^borththi* matter vnro vs by a companion. A Crab fie''^ ''''""'^'^• re (lorlooth) hjth no ability of it jelfef krtngftorth apples ^ and therefore 124 of Free mil therefore may hs tedtmeddeadiyj that kf*>dofgoodfrt4ite:yetiet a ffa»ce of af pies be grafted wt o it. and it vdllbeare apples; euenfo (faith he) a[' beit ourfovpre corrupt nature oftt felfe be vnable tofra^ifie t o life eust' lajiwr^yet haning receitiedinto it the he^auenlte graft of Gods grace Jt is enabled to brifig fcorth the fiveetefrfiire of goodtvorkj. Similes habent labra l^Bucas : zfhis doStiineiSy lomuft his fimilirudes needs bee,! cribbed and crofTe. Is the Ciab-trcc (tocke dead to the biinging foorth of apples, which byic owne naturally life without alteration, continucth lite, and giiicth nouriture and incrcafe to the fiances and graffes of applcs^j that arc cngraft-ed and implanted vpon it }-m vv'hichrecciucth nothing at allot the grslfcs or (lanccSj but iViini-H eTam.T.ii. (}reth vnto tbcm that, wherbv they biine rcorth iruite ? Is this the Veiag.&ceiefiji.conQ\uo\\o\ thc gracc of God in vs> that wee guic it lappe and j.ea.-».Habemis fjf efioth in vs to brino foorth oood fruite vnto God ? And yet thel •vtrittfejuefmh Crab-trce iTOCKCin thcreccjumgof thencw gratres is mccrelie and' * i^eoiuftamvt- ^,[^qI\^ pcifCnK. and noraftiue in any fort. The ensioffino thereof is Lit qumdMi,'vt I I I /- 1 • 11 It 1 i^a dicam, raAici altogether ihc worke or the gardiner-or husbandman. Yea and that] fZul£m^iuTex t^<^y ^'""g ^^^^'^ ^"<^^' "•■ ^^^^ ^'"^^^J ^^^y '^^"^ 'f "'^' of the aockcJ voiuirtatJimd- but alrop,echcr and onciy of their owne kinde. Therefore wc mufti ^f&pSiitl^ likewifc fay, :h'at the nature of man in the receiuing of the graft ofj quxfofTtt aipra- gr3cc, is altogether pafTiuc and doth nothing thereto, and when Trimfvdnitcre ' th^ftiperflfittieofr^yaUetoufreffehtcmgcafiawajandcutofAhQ fame fiare virtutum, gMcc victh our naturall powers to the bringing foorth ot the fruite rIrewt:lmJi7~ of good workes, thc Commendation of die frniie arileth only from ybinmintucns the gi aft^:, ftoEi) grace ic ftifc and t' e power tbcrecf, not bv the mmelndlm^le ftocke, b\u by it fcKc, digcding and turning all to the natuie and ratiicem eonjinmr qualitie of It (clfc. So cliar his ownc cofisparifon doth moll eftci^u- mnhcontra. Eua- ^Hy Itruc to it! engthcn our parr, and to oucrthrow hss ownc. But gdkam -verka- as he vfeth it, it fauourcth very rankjy of jic Pelagian hcrciic. For g m'si.tIt^iS. Pelagian made ot the power ofnattiiCj ^ a fertile a}id fruiffnU roote^ t S>ui4efi i"'»"!ivhfch8i^toftbem//ofma»did brttis forth diuerfly, and mi\vil'dmth the thgr-^es of vice. Whereby as S. Aafitne no- homo malui vtft tct h , he mads one andihs fame roote, both of good and €mII tvorkes, e- wJSn^fc "^" ^^ ^^' f ^'V' ^ot'i by his Crab^tr.e Hockc , costume to the CIS maU f ' truth of the Gofpell, and the doU:rine oft he Atiojlle, For i si the Gofpeil ^tzit^Adi^ a goodtree ^and an etiill tree yVii6, that the good treecan^ *}$t bring foorth eHtllfrme^nor the cmll tree goodfrnite. '' The good . tree of Free will I2f ' tree is a tree of 4 good root, uttd the euilltree 4 tree of an euillroot, not 1 both oftlic famf; rooi.The tree of a gooAroot isthem4nofagoodml: ! ihetreeofAyietitllron is the m^n of emlwtll, noc i^rovvinn boili vpoii the Ciab-:rcc l^ockc of M. BtfljopsFree nt/'l. \\ h:'rcbv wee urc gi- u:ntovn(ki[iand, th.icforthc biingin^foortliofgool rruir,it luf- i ficcch not CO hau" .'iny tiling ingrafted in v>, but we our fe.'ucs muft become gruftes, co bcc impbuted into a new (tockc, and to grow Vjvjii anew root. Wccmud becngriftcdinro/ifcr ' trtie Fine leffts i lohA^.u (j'j'-iji, by biin to hee fnrged froiiubc con ii|tion that vvcc haue (Irawiicfrom cur old root, stid toliuc vvho'ly hy hisfpjrir, that we m;:y bring foorth ft iiit, not according to oiir ovNn nature and kind, ci'j other graft:s d je, but according to a new hfc and njture,rhat wc irc:iuc by being ici cd vnto hiin. M.Bi^op isofanothcr mind; he \M!ihancCl)rjli to bee ingraffcdvpontlic Crab-tree P-ocke.ofour Vfee will: hec fceth no ncccllitic to leaue his ».;ld root to be engraf- ts 1 ii^foCli'ift. Aifot ihe p\&cc oi S. Limes, ^ Recetue the ef7arf'ff^ed^lan\.i.it, )! j'd^,C7f.it a.iailcthhim nothing at alhfor it doth not import in any \\»re,thac the woid ofGod ingroffed inoutnaturailFr^'r tr/7/, doth bring foorth fruit vntoG.;d, lautonely tcljcth vs in what fort the wordof Godistobe^recciucdof vs, chat it may faue our foulcs : nimcly, that it inuH be inwardly wrought in ourhearts.thatit may become to vs ^thetmmortailfeede, whereby through faith uee are' i-PeM.ij. ^ begotten and bjrne agair:e, and, ° created anew tn lefw Chrtft^ which -" lam-^.tS. is noc done "^^ the m// of man ^ that is, by Free mil, hut God p of his l^^}*^^'-'°' orvne mil hath begotten vs, andtha'iro, as that though i Paul plant, Eiam.».i8.* and Apollo water^yet Godonelygitteththe increafe^andneiiher he that '" Cor.3.and doUrine^ and ■Pelag.&CelejL f;e/;(?rMW»,eucn 35 Pcbgiiis didjnnd that by this /^^<^of Gods word Epifi.t 07.' Gra. jFrftf w/.' Js tcuiued, to bring foith plcnti. ofplcafing fruit. But our ttambei point S;jiiioiir Chtirt 10 thc Gofpcil inaketh foiire forts of ground, and lio^n-M. thereof one onely^W^f^c/W, v\'hichisnot good ol: it fcife, but made good, hauing nothing in it whrreof to bring foorth fruit of fEfij J.I J. the iced of GoJs vvordj ^vntiUthe fptrit be povvredvpon it from ahme^ that of a mlderneffe it maj he come a fruit (till fie Id. S o th at the grace of Ctff^confiftcthnotin the feed ofihc word,Dutiniportethafpiiituall andlieauenlymfiuence oiche biclTino of Godj altering and chan- ging the nature of the fojie of mans heart, ihac it riiay bee fie to re- ceiiietbcfced,andto trudifie thereby. For othcrwifc the Scripture tEzcch.jtf.i5. teachcthvs, tiut mans heart is a ^ fiome heart, that hh^ forehead if u a.4 .4. l/y^jfff^ and hts necke an iron f new ^ and that tobeHow labour vpon X jerem. IJ.2J. hiin by thc wordotGodj is but as to w&(h^ a^ iiy£thwptaH or a Lea- y Amos 6. 1 1. pard , to take away thc blacknes andfpots of them px to ^ ^lort> vpon the al^^iue'pr^^ ^'^^kfi where there is no entrance neither foi* plow nor feed. There- de(lfam7. cap.2. fore howfoeucr the /i-ff^af be fo wne, icauaileth nothing, neither can mbUefiakud 1^ ju ofj-pan fruaifie thereby, vntijl it do " heareandlearne of the quAm annum ac- tat- r t 1 ctpere a Pacn Father to Come to Chrtji, ^ that is, vmtllit receiueagtft of the Father VbrtnwtJ*" wherebji tobeleeue in Chrifi , ^ it being meant not of the very earthy faith b Jium depxcaK Atijitn , b ''^t fpiritpiallywhich is fa id : The Lord wtllyeeld his [weetneffe, Tcap'x^^.TciJ^' i^nd our land or earth pj all gnte tncreafey as tonoce, that not by any quetrnwrenon ^o\\Qx o^ OUT Free Will butoncly by his fwcctandheaueniy dew, fpmZ!iu/dt ' '^^^ ^^^^^ efrighteoufneffe^ ^ the ratne of bleffing, which bee rajneth eiumfit,Do>»i- vpon Vi, wc bring foorih fruit of thc feed of the word of God. € Ofc.io.ia. a Ezech. j4-i^' 10. W. Bishop. Hauing hitherto explicated the fi ate of the ^uefiion^ and folded fuch oblivions as may be gathered out o/M. Perkins again/} it, before I come to bis foltition of our arguments^ I ivtll fet dovrrtc fame principall places^ both out of the Scriptures and ancient Fathers ^ in defence of our doflrtne^ b&caufe he propofeth but few for vs^ and mifapplieth them too, CeteC4. Ftrfiiheni Godfatth to Caine : If thou do well, /halt thou not re- ceiue Ofhyeemll, 127 ceiue a reward ? But ifthou doc cnill, thy finne uill prefcntly bcc ac iheg.ucs, but 'he appct.tcof irOia!! btc vndcr thee, and thou Hialt bca; c dominion oucr it. Heere isflaiyie mention made of the potver^ which th.it euilldt^pofedmaKQ^nM: had, not tofinne^ tfhe h^d lifled\ whtchvcM {no doubt) by the ajjii^ance of Gods grace, and on the other fide^ that grace did not infaliibiy dravs>hin» to goody bat left tt toht-sfree chotcc, rvherhet he ivott'd foliotv it or no. Andbccatifethey, who feeke •m all manner of parting holes ^ trrejl thefe words, of ruling and bea- ring Iway, as [poke n of his brother Abe!, and not of fnne : firji, to fee their iy.iijuitie, marks the te.xt^ where itno mention £»/Abel, neither in that verfe, nor in the next be fence ; but exprejfe mention is made of finne in the next words before : therefore thofe Prononnes (^that are to bee re- ferred to the xvordi next before) vKufi need's m true conjlru^ion be re- f erred to ftnne^ a -:d not to hi^s brother. Be fides this ptattie con/lrti^ion of the text y S Ano\i\\mcfolloweth fiyinvant were romim omnis frxdictUoveriratit. Tack hoc Dtiu, « -vjfs mt(^K9rdu, trtc vsfxdifctrntns, &c. ti (.if.y.Hociffum ciim Dem locu.iu c[ft: «dCa» g;tidciprofu(, c!-c, .Which 12 5 of Freewill *> Vrofper. dcvo- Which I'sa woil'y fothatihe qncftion why one ijimditas iUm i ^ . . (A\, L J I L • / J dhom per li- recciueth the orac-:* or Ood aid another doth not, b ts Kot anlvueretL cat hin*rb:tr:j -veUe Ufije yyilliKq or mlltna cf Free will, as to fay, ovtchv free will O- noUe non foua- J * n- i i i i i i ' i «-> i viT,qin,iacHm~ woiild when CjocJ ottcrc d g«-ace, the other would not, but by Gods fiihamim honivoi ^^,fjt kin" that ill th? one which he workcth not in i\\z other, who nolle , xanr.n m[i. , , , ~ n i r r i i i \i I i dunaxum, non ha- both hatic bj nature to mil and refujej hnt netiher hake to will hm bf babonumveiie ^y ^ift gf G od', uhcrjs With M Btfhgp, thc wofkc of God is the Ecc.5, //ocfamcto DOio, ncKhcr doth God make rne^inerencc cetwixcman ^p7£lZ\tne 3"^ ni^"» offering himfelfc alike to all, but mai5 by free will eithtc apertii(y-n!anife-xtcc\\x\i\<^ or rcfufma, iTukcth difference betwixt himfclfe ando- flilf'Icr^iSthcr men. God hiiifelie fpakc toO/^, yccwashcnot the better eaco'jigarit&c6-^QX\\ M.Bijho^ teilcchv% that the rcjfoii was in his ov\ne Free ™r/i'i;^t'wi:l, whcrcbyiichaditinhisownepoWcr, abisownc lifttocoii- i>eifig'tr.ite diaci. uett and tumc to God, t^^wA that God did fignifie !o n:uch by fay- ^c»?'J^r/«/«f ;«-'ng vnto hiin, xloAt the deftre of fsmepJC'Mdbe vnder him^ Andhe terpretetur ad (Ijould betXYc do-nimon ouer it. Where he fho'uld liauc hid ref;ard iTJenimrem tn-*^^^ proofc of his do6tf Inc , " to make choice of fUine andn:antfe[l ^U- telitgi mnpof. ^es^ as i". Aufliiii r u! c iSj not offncb m behgjigurtitiue or obfcure, may taql!z apnulfimi'^^ ex^optr.dsd and ta^tn dme>Jly. There are Ihndry cxpofitif.ns of dtcU fmnt, /»»2^ this plucc dciiucrcd by ihe aticient fathers, and therefore there lis dGtncfl.i'^. nonsctOitic tovrgevsto take thatexpofition which he allcdg^th. ' chryC-f^ Gcncf. ^u^ Chryfoflome cxpoundeth the place acccrdin" to the true mea- hom.iS. Ne putet . . ^■' • , An i A t r \ r r i i/c^ f««wme gender^ and the pronoiine f.n^5::^finnr rclatiiicsinthe ^ mafcHline gender, hec would liauc icailied there- R.imvi-nthc' by to except cigainft this exception, andrachcrfjy, that tlic pro- or'bTs de^rc^' 1 noiMc rel;'tiues mu(i n;cdes bee referred to his brother, and not ando-.oucr' tn/tnne. And Co the Grccke Tranflatorsclidtjkc it, ^ihetHrtin^^"^' of H I AffjMI bee to:hee^^c. So doth Anas Mo .tanm tranfl'itc it, M .Jexpontionofthofc vvords,v. ho. not acquainted with ibcGrtckc and Hcbrtw Text, and finding in the Latine the pronouncs ctiu zx\\illiui indifferent to the mafcu- Imc or feminine gender, not thinking it fit in fucli meaning as hce conccnjcd thereof, to atribute to C74/« a dominion ©uer his bro- ther y^^r/,con(lrueth the place as touching ,'?««tf,anddeliuercih two intcrprerations thereof, I ut no way according to A/- Biihopsmca" ning, norany way fit tofcrueliistuine ; tl c more leaudly doth hec deale, to make .y./^wy?** the patron of an opinion, which a^appca- rtlh in all this difcourfc,i'e did fo highly and inwardly detcll. One expohtionof his is iti the reading of the words thus:* Ad te coKuer- i^ugu/i.de^uir. (to eit44 fit : let the co-merting- or ttdrmno oftt bee to thee, and thoHfhah ^"' {'^-J- ^"P-l- rmeonertt: as willing hmi to turnc iot6 (tnnevpon himfelfe^ to accutc advonuyem con- him^elfe thereof, to krioxv that hee veatnot to attribute his fmne to any '"•^/»«'w # d<- otherbht him^efje, and therefore not to defend it, but to repent and to m,!/, a/ fjcnt d'h pardon oftt^ andthatthisrvasthevpaytoftibdueit, and to become r«"«'«/'i^'f-^-w« 'n r ^ ? x-^ . 1 r 1 ■ ^ > r • ■ ' * d.terc ijltcd p:c- mAJter of it. Tnus Cjon len him not, as hec laith, Without a com- c.i:,&c. Tunc m wdement tfifi and holy and oood, but in him n^uctbcxamplc.as was '"''■'» '"'^'^-j"'^ icforc faid, how the conimandcment auaileth nothing from zhc ui fibmo,, dife». injuth^fGodhimfelfe, where hoc himUlfe vvorkcthnotvvithin, ;J''''^JJ,^'^'^^^^^^ har which hec commandcth. To th s agrccth in cftcifl the tyi^o- fubucoitjC-c. •mo'Aof Ambrofe, though taking the words by way of accufati- jn, which Aajlin conlUueth by way of precept or cxi:ortation. K 'The 1 5© Of Free mU, t^mhr.de Cain ^ The (f»ftejaith God,relurK€ih ipon thee which^etrgtt cfihee, Thtu in tt reumitur haf not wherein to hlame necejjitte more thettthtne owne minde. Thy oimtnqmi ate xvickcdvcfle is tftr»ed hAche vpon thee i thou Art the beainner of it, in quo ntcejfitate Rtghtljdoth heepiy^ thoft art the beginner of tt ; for tmptette ts 4 mo- miimpkt^mx- ^^ ^° ^^^'^ anhhoHpjalt rule otier it, vndcifk^ndmgfnne to be meant ttrqu-edamejl oicarnalico»cffpijcence or /ufl^ and makin^ the conftruiftion tl.us, t^^^iT'^^'tpra. t^2t rvhen carnAl concuptfcence is motied or fttrredto commit any melted Cumcom>no-aftt- thiyig^ifamanreft andharke» tothe Apofi/e,fajffKg, Let not fin retgnin 'nJuTadiufiT' J°f*^ mort'dl bodies', gme not your members weapons efvnrighteotijneffe fsrperamcotnrmt- vntofnne, then it being tamed and oner come, is concerted a»d turned \7cJTrl tfplcio f" bsinfubieBionto the txinde, that reafon may haue the rule and do^ diQemi,uieeshi. fr,tnion oner It. Tiicrcfore be taketlvit, as ifGod had willed Oain to ^"lirJeJem "giu^ ouct th.1t which by liis owne wicked defire snd liift he had in- . domtt^&vi&a tended, andifhe did rcfiftic^itfliouidturneand yccldtohim, and pfbdnl'r.ttiodo- whilcrt It wasHoc fuffcred to workc without, it iiiighc becthe htv- mn:tur. tcr accuftomcd not toflirrc within. Profoer brif geih tiick latter m Pro/pet. (/^vo-cxpoficions all into one, as if God had laid to Cam, ^Thisi^ thy cat.ientM.z.ca.4. crrourandthj finne -. he quiet, and be not mooned acainfl thy harmleife Jur.ihtc c^ror (ft, . , ^1 , 1 n 1 i 1 , ^,, , ■ xuumqwwcatum.brower ; rather lei th)fin»e te chargeavpoK thy Jeife : yteldnotto it Siuie\cc,tx no'i in ^fj^^ ^^ Qj6tild retqr. tn thee .but dothou take on thee the dominion ^a raw- ^^^/^ ^^ reformtdty} that ^vberein thou [halroricue that thou hafl offen- ngntimtnUiiircdedme. Thus heere is counlcll and conim3ndcmenttoC<«/w, but ^Ipfum'fumtL "^ afl'ertioi^ of Tree will ; srid by Cains going forward in Ins wi«- minaxim.vani- ked coii fc, wcc fee that F>ftf »i//auailethnotb ng to trucobcdr- ^i'fmZTiTcLm <''">^^' and keeping of Gods commanderaent. Now then that M. po%rdienu& <-i> Bifliop Can findc nothing in Juflin, let V5 fee w hat l^ierome hath to dSSaufji mm- i^i^'fi^ Cuins example to be the maintenance oi Freewill. Hierome daberii/ hath iiidccdc the vvotds and rxpofitioii which hccallcgeth : "Str- M'ai"t>i Gene'f. <^^«/^ '^».£f rupee- confidcr what tvas Recorded bcfove betwixt him and vs. For wee dcnie not Free mil in morall and'ciuill outward a^^ionS; as haih bccnc of tree w/ll. 1 5 1 beene before acknowledged by him. For in vainc were education /^f^ andlavvcs, and exhortations, and ail precepts and diredions of\ life, iFtliercwcrc not left in man a power to conforinc himfclfe/ cutwaidly to tlic prefcriptions thereof. God hath left in nature/ ' fome oHtrvArdmoJi lineaments y fome vnpcrfcd^ fLadowcs and per- •-^'^•'fe/?'>. cV • irai(ure of his image, for the preferuing of publikc order and fo- tfySfl)» ^m- cicticamongrt nscn, which could not ftand, if men for fcare oi w* /.ww^rwt ,»«- fliame, or other rcfpc(5ls, could not containe and bridle ihcnireluesfrtl/wi^vl' from thofe mifchicfcsand villanics, whereto corruption of nature ^"f '^««'"»d liped, wc would ac- knowledge the fame with him : but he would hereby prooue a Free K 2 vfill 15 2 of Free will mlltogood^ whereto hee faith, Cain hai the ^.04tice of Godt grace ^ which yet did mt infallthlj draxv him to good, hut left him to his free choics^vpheiher ha rvait/d folloxv it or not. For proofc whereof there is no Qiew of any fyllable, cither in the text, or in the other tcftimo- nies which he hath alleged. For as touching ^r^cf, wee findehecrc 'l^^fcmrdms "O"^ tut that vvhjch the Pelagians fpakc of, to counfcU and aduifc ' tpiji.PeUg.hb.\. him, whereas the true grace inwardly v^orketh whatfoeuer out- 2ttCf«;;'^v3i-dly is counselled or aduifed. And whereas he faith, that grac'e credtreinme. ^gifj „ot ifjfaiithljf dravp to good,it is truc iildeede of his Pelagian S'/sf^i/S grace, which confiftcthoncly in the c^ww^«j3/?, * If he will. he heleeueth ; if he Itfi not. he ^cimity"-f>Mn ^f'^^^f*^t^ ""f ' if^^^ ^'^'^> heperfenereth ; if he will not, he per/euereth •vuh,fion creiit. not, Thcfc wci'C the progenitors and prcdecfrflbrs of his faith. But \ Vdl7.'ub.l^"^Mii t\\^^^^^ dr awing gr^ue, findinga man^ reffimg^drawingbacke^vn^^ trahtutr^nanf^on- willing^ perjecutmg the faith as Panldidij, ^ connerteth his will to thel *retr7aln[& ur- f^^^^^ J ofvnwillifig, tt makfth him willing ; ofrefifiing, it maketfj hitru ' duf, ant tniittia confeMitHg ; ofanoppugncr efthe fiith^ it ma^eth htm a loner thereof. fiiig!Tont.du.ts Let/l/.^//io/>ackndwledgethi.^y<«c^Deotfivt ueth repentance, ' gtueth ftiih^^ giueththefpirue ofwifedomeandre- eUg port Freevcili then all other places of Scripture, that doc dcclarcof and fet forth the rebellion of mans nature againft God. But yet: M» ^//^c'ptcllcth vs, that hereby itislignified that God vfed all meanes that concerned him for the fauingof them,and they by their free p^iZ/crolfed his purpofe hec rein. The w^r^//, faith he, do plainly demottfirate thai there was no want etther of Gods helpe inwardly ^ or 0f Cbrt(isper/wa/ton outwardly, for thetrconMer/ton. Buttheydoe not dcmonrtratc fo much, yea by diuers places ofihcGofpell wee fee they are vcrie farre fi-om thatdcmonftraiion. For if there wanted no ittward helpe for their conuerforij how was it faid by our Sauiour Chrift , * Thouhaji hidthefe things fromthe wife and prudent of the ifsofnten he make th what hee m/l. ' /» no mje mnj ''aJemDM'l ^^^^^wke .Uvh\\^t^ that the Almightie Goiimtildhane any thmg t9 ntrnqutfictH/t': comc to pajj'e , and that the fame dath notcometopajje ; rvho tf hee doe qtt.tmH vdtfa-v ^hatfoeHer hevofUboth in heanenand earth j4f the truth in/fru^eth vs, &c. De 9'7'Fbie(i. our conuerfion vntoGod. Which feeing God gaue not to Icrufa- iUa tmmfoten^i* [^^ (^^^^ onclie CO his remnant, it is abfurdl v faid by M. Btfhop that &c.ficoU>gcn fi- ' r^ I I ■ Ji r I r -r-u lioi Hieruiakni there wa4 no wantofGos helpetnvcardly for their cojiuerfton. . Their re - ""tttltn^TiIi' f"^"S ^"d withfl:anding was the fruitc of Free vttll^ which howfoc- ^ 'iiUq^itdemfi- uct God do ofhetwife offer grace, hath nothing in it fcife, whereof hosfuo^abip[o todoeotherwife. coufgi Kt'utujed ti quoque noUntefilit^ eius collegit tffe quos v^'uitt qirin in Cttle & in terra non f[u*Aim voluit^ fecit, qu.tdam vcr* vobiit & utnjecityjed oram* qtMeunque -volm fettt. 13. W. Bishop. Thelaft teftiraonie isintheReuel. ixhere'ttis faidin theperfon of lEap.j. God: I rtand at the doore and knock, if any man fhall hcare my voice and open rhegates, 1 will enterinco him, and will fup with him, and he vvuh me, Markjell the words : Codhjhu grace^ knock* OfFreemU, 1 37 dt thedoore of our hearts, he doth not hreakf it open^ or in any fort force itySht attendeth that i?y our afjenting to his cal^ tve open him the gates ^ and then io, he w/th his heauenly gifts will enter in : otherxvt'e heleaues vs what can be more eutdent t» eonfirmation of the ft eedeme of man f mll^ tn workin r jri/ A Gods ^race ? R. Abbot. Here A^. Btfhop doth fomcwhat plainly Hiew himfclfc, and alTu- teth vs that ic is not withouccaufe that wee haucJiitbcrtoacculed iiiiii ofthc Pclaoianhcrcfic, The grace vvhichforfafhionfakchcc fpeakcrh of, is no other but fuch as whereby God knockcth at the ijoorc of our hearts, but vvorkeih nothing in cur hearts, till we firft orour fciucsaflVnttolcc him in. Hcattcndethtill we open him the «73rcs, znci then he xvtth hu heauenlj gifts tvtllenterin;\\\\Kh was the ti imnaMefrrourofthc Pelagians, that Gods^ace and gifts are he- fl nvedvf on the precedence of ofirmllandworkes. But wee haue heard ^^'^^'<'^'''"'- i-ctoreoutoflheArau(icant Counccll, that '^tfanymanfaythatGods»prafed.i. expeCleth orattendeth ourm//, and doth not confejfe that God rvorkfth ^»;^'K'^/;f"' tnvstotri//,heegainJatth the dodrine of the y^pojf/e. Which is thectp.e.^dttmd. fame as to fay, it'any man fay thn God attendcth for our opening "^tpflVnlmu the gates vnto him, and doth nor confede that God hiinfelfcope.;^of«,rtr«r. nerh the crates vnto himlelfc, hce is contrarie to the doctrine of the^ ;^^"]^]^''^* Apoftlc. '' The entrance of Gods calling is xrroHght or procured by the • Luk. 1^.45. gyace of Godhimfelfe ; he knockeih with one hand fii opcncth with giob.','/.,'*?. another, * breaking the vates ofbrajfe, andfrniting thebarres of iron tn ^ tTa'.so.i 5. [under ^ and howlocuer miohtily he knockc, we neuer hcarc,wc nc- k ..4ug.'culrxdefl^ ucfopcn till he open and nuke entrance for himfclle. Itishcr thatP^'f^-'^^/''^-. ^ openetb the heart, hee ^ openeththevnderjiandtug, hee^openeih the coi'lbm'^homtml eitSy he openeth e the eares.hee openeth^the Itps, hte openeth ' the do re ■^oc'OHtilUft- , ' , , ■ ' n r II J I II cun turn propiji- offaith-y and why then doth Ad. \Btlhophy, that hce attendetbrtU nee tuni,v( -.::-, m a- open ? He doth not attend our affenttna to hid ca/I, but •< by hts calUh-f"''"'",'"'""^.^' II I I I I 11 II r ^ I I ''<"'I'''"'«"./><» n vchtch ts according to hupurpofe^he worketh tn the harts of me^thatthey audnoconuertrtw be are not the Goipeltnvatne'bHtdocontiert^andtHrne d" receine it not ""'<^'"<^"f' as the vpordofm.xn bw as 't ts indeed the word of Go J. And whereas he vt v.itumhomi- fajth, that Goddoth not breal^openthe doores.xt is nor al wairs tnicF^r ITc'velbimof. God lomcti'nes with great violence allaulteth the hart,& I by terror 'JuJ.vcm3. (fr feare pitl/eth men out of the frffjbc as \Kith amightiehammc brca- kcih the pndc,& rcbellio of the wil,fighting & ftirring agaiuft him, when 1 53 of^reevpiU. wAft.f.4. when men are in the height of their iofolencic madly ragmg a« 'm Effjt!?tUi!u. gainfthim, hccftiiketh'thcm to the ground, as hoc did the Apoftle i.cy.,5. w*« "» 5. ?^ejidaa. any power of Fr/tf »'///. 14. W. Bishop. T'othefe expreffe places taken ottt e/Gcdsrrord, letvsioinethete' fiimony ofthofemeft ahuc'tent Fathers^ agAinfl tvhofe workss the Pro- tf/ants can take no exception. The firji ^all he thn excellent learned Martyr Iu(iinusi»A^ Apologie, whovmothe Emperour Antoninc jpeakeththM : Vnlcfle man by Free will could flic from foulc diYho- neft deedcs,and foljow thofc that be faire and good 5 hce were with- out fault, as not bceingcaufc of fuch things as were done. But wee Chriftians teach, that mankind by free choice, and Free will, doth both do well and finne. 7* him rve mllioine that holy Bijhop and valiant Martyr Irenarus, Iib.4.c«p.7 J. ^jjg of Free wtllwrtteth thw : Not oncly in workcs, but in faith alfo, our Lord referued liberty and free dome of will vnto man ifipng^Bc it done vnto thee according to thy faith. / mil adde to that rror thy company $. Cyprian, who vpon thofe Epift.j. words of our Sautour^iW you alfo dcpsknidtfcourfeththftsiOur Lord did not bitterly inucigh againft them, which forfookc him, but ra- ther vfedthcfc gentle fpeeches to his Apofllcs, will you alfogoc your way : and why fo ? Marricobfcruingand keeping (4y/^«^/« '^o'^^ /o arace. doth S. Bernard aoycc HecejTitatemdffe- With hinij wheii hcc laiin, ' that tt ts vtholj of grace that wee are new ^uTl&Sri^' c^^'^f^^f^^'^^'^>f'^^^^ ' By thelcic iseafie to make application of the quiapKidiaafHt: rctt;buc We ni .y loolce for good anfwers at his hands hercafccrjwho ^«f'«f ^T '^"^ ^^ ^^^ beginning bcciiig Co dircdlic oppugned, would fcekc thus in t ^itg contra du- z cloud to ftcale away . But \^ M.Perktm were able to fay nothing iSS^n^pt'- agai^ft ^'"^ . ^^ muftthmk hec is able to fay for himfelfc exceeding j^oi^T-deauit. much. Yec his firft authority out o{ Ittfiwui UHartyr, makcth no. TH'lmmlTiii'ero thing at all fof him : for bcein^' writtefi to an heathen Empcrour, it arbitritMeraqm touchcth oucly morall and ejttcrnall actions, in which we deny not TtrT&l'ei'^%- but that God hath left feme freedome and hbertie to mans will, as re doccmuj. bcfofc hath bccn declared. His vcric*^drift thece,is to condemne the ^ciit.Gent.Ub!i'ca.V)\c\itd fancics of AftroiogCfs and Stoikc Philofophcrs, who did 5'-'^^«f'«?"^«'^'- hang all vpon " dclhnies andconftellations, and fatallnecclTitie, ''^'"Juglpl.lof. and thence fought cxcufe of their iewdc and abominable adlions, '^^jt^^d^'^'^k' And if we will more largely extend the words, yet arc they nothing Ub.arbn.capM. for M. BtQjops uimc. ^fVe ChrififanSjCahh he, do affirme, that hyfree :KpnMinfofei, choicc^ and Free will. maKkind doth both doeweli andlinne. And fo fed inJi,ttorfS& ' n- i/ i t r , ■ ,' -nil pr.icipiutom //-much wee athimc alio, that man by tree choice and Free will doth heri ^J^^^f-^^ ^ well, for there ^ idtto vertue where a man hath no mil to that hee doth: c»7f67ovi>t'i-»>- bucwefayliillagainft^ Bifhof, that this is not that Freervilithit ^\ «K o»w 8-hc reqaireth : it is not a power of nature, but wholy the cffc^cft of wo'itim, * MTx>i grace: '' his the graeeof God v^herehj mans wiXis made free, both to uyufuSci ^0 3^1 grchueeuiUanddor}ood-2nd they that reach any other Free wilLthey aS^vijuim ni ^^^ ""^ ^"^ defender Sy bm thepHffers vp andbreal^neck^es of Free will. MVfi »picw iy Andnocthervvifd did Infiine Manjr conceiue thereof, as appea- u^U^TiM K} reth by ( hcfe words in the fame Apologie : k In Ukefort 04 God crea^ aiwoualat xs^m^ tedvs tvhcH voee were not,fodo wee thinke that hee votichfafeth them of ^tu uta),Tii ty jjjf^^yf^ifffg ^fj^ beeit70 with him.who xvtllinalie make choice to do thofe Sj , kK i)fMTTe?» thingi-that arepleaffig vmd mm. Bat to haue beemq^at the fir^, it wot Mi.To 5 iJ^stMKwi not of our fellies. Inl'ks f^y^ ^^^'^ ^0 choofe and follow what is pleafing (o BSnt^ o« fiKs» him hy thofe re afo?iable^oweys which hee hathgiuen vs, it is bj his per. '^^'^'^es^F^'"^ px^^^ingandmomngof vs to the faith. In vyhich words) hecplaincly ICI^uy'-'^I ^-^^''■^^^^^^ ' ^^^^ ^""^^ ^'"'^ ^^ righteoufncfle is wholy the gift of .rt«/«^»r,7n/9H grace, and nomorcofoutfelucs, thenit was atfirrtto create out nX ii etc mm felucs. Theplacc oilrentem auailclh him as litrk, who difputing in of Free mil, 14 1 like fort againR them that held, that men by an immutable n eccf- fitid ofcreated i>ature, are fomc good andfomc eiiill, proucth, that good and euillconfifHiielcdlion and will, andthat thisappcarcth, i/r^^./j.^.r^;!. ^ By tkit the Apofile. md before hipn our Sattioar Chnfl, did Qtue coun- i' 't"' *« '•'*'* *f r'li J r I Jr r i § - //2 a/- jc' f-tcere hjec^^it Jell to aoejome thtnat, ana from jotne oiher things to abjt.^tne. After- ntn faan, ^luim wards he fhewcth, that not invffork.es onely, bin alfo in faith our Saui- '■-^"/•'f/^^^'^f ^MrreferfteatomAnltbertteanafreedomeojrvtU, meaning that it is to ^nus tpa i,^ ^ not hjf anj comfellingviolence tliat a mail cither bclecucth or wcr- ^^^'^ '""* keth, buc ™ by condition of nature he is fuch as may either bcleeuc, *nmjgtothy fatthbeit vnto thte : "^ All things are pojjihle to the '''•"A^ dezocxt. beleeuer-, fo hcc himfclfe elfewherc out of the words of the Apofile, n !!!/«^ T^/rX?! tU^norvthatinme, that is,inmjifie/h, drvtlleth nogoodthing ; plai'ncly '''*•> •fir- 22. affirmcth, Uhat the gooiwhich belongeth to ourfalaationj ts not of our p M^t.S. m* feluesJ^M of God, and that the grace of our Lord lefm Chnfi is our de- ^ War.^.i j. //«rrr^r, thatis, thelhing whereby we are made free. Therefore he ^ irtyi:lh\'c»-it. praiech for the Hcretikes, aoainfi whom hewrote, that '//>?;: w/^^r s,gni/ic^»s ^u^ n§t Continue in ih« pit vthich they had digged.^ but might beConuer:edto (cdaDcotJlbo- the Church, and that Chrifi mi^ht bee formed m them, andthattheyT^'fi'*-"'^ mtght kjj 01V the only true Godand Lor4ofall. Whereby itappeartth, Mif.regoiMno, that he did not take repentance, and fauh, andconuerfionroGod, f''-^""^""/'^ to be matters oFour Free will and power, but the mcrcifiill gifts or f^ z)o,cJ^f. God, and therefore by praier to be begged at his hands, The V^^^^^pl'l'fmurno^^. of Qpr/j/ifoundcth vcryhaiflily, but yet being taken in thaifenfe/^'w-rfr^Mwwy^ wherein the Fathers commonly .'pake before the Pelagian hcrcfi?, 'lr:m]''(elfj^, namely, to afflrme againii the Manichces an a(5^ of mans will both ^■"•« -»'' ^.v/«/w<"^ ingoodandeuill, fothat Dy his will and elcd^ion it is that either ^'^f,,^'-^,,*^,^^^! hec is good or eu;Il, it importech noihinp: againff vs, bccaufc wee '"' '•'i^fi li J • L 11 J 1 11 C 11 L \ L L l-aUJlimDet,^ dcnienot the adt and el< dtion or mans wilj, but onely teach, tfiat '■grman cur:fi„rn tbiiaf^andclcc'^iionof the will is notliini:; at all of it fel'c, jsrou-"'"' <:?•• «'.?«/'• chmg right ccufncfle, but only what it is by being correitcd and re- remhutmnmHif- ^ificd by the grace of God.OurSauiour faith cohisDilciplcs, fnllf"^^"i6c. . 142 of Free will, ll'^^:lflfifpt/'aifogoear»dy?^Ti^ (faith ^7pr/4») whereBjman mo iiberuti (ke icfc to hts lib CT tie, and f tit to his orvne mU/not deferujthj as M. Bip}9p 'prh^rbtioclZ ^^Llic-y rranflatcthjbut) deftreth to himfelfe either death or faluatfo»: fitrutiisfibimetip' importing bccreby, that man freely and by his ownc will maketh f'7^TTT choice to continue with Chriftvnroraluauon j hut net affirming, that mans ownc will IS bcereinfieeofitrclre, or hath or it ownc, * ^ug, eoHtra I, whereby to make this choicc. And that he was of farre other mind fJ^9^&ptt then roiothitikc,appearcth by his ownc words, =" often cited by deii.r^nSi. cat>.\. Auft in di^^m^}. the Pelagians : ^ f^ce are to glorte efnothtng (namclyi fap^il'S-c"^"^' 3S touching righteoufnefl'e) becmfethetetnnothmgiiom ovcne. ^ It ycypr. ad^tir. U ofGodSnth hr.,ii/l ihaPwecan doe: of him tt is that vi>e line, of htm it LJa'lLwlHim ^ ^^^^ ^^ ^^f*^ ^^ power. But moft d\t€6\ to this purpofe i» it which t]iia>t:ij Koftritm hcc iiotcch as touching the petition of the Lords praier, Leade vs^ "^ub.i.-Epifl.t. not into temptattGMy tbai wee arc thereby ^ putinminde of our owne Dciefi, Dei efi frailtis and weal^pejfe, and that for pcrfeuering and continuing wilt musVimUviiii- Chni\ to the gloYte ofconfejfing himyAndfttffringfor his fake^it is whot^ m»s, indepoUe. i^g fg fjg afcrthed vttto God J and wee are not. to ajjume any thing prom 'Cj'priajn Orat. to OUT felues. VVbcrcof S.Aujiin colIe<5teth (as before) agamft the Dominic, ^dmo- pelagian hcrefic, th^t ^Cypnan leauethvs nothinavphereinto tlorie nemur tnfirmtta- " tin i ^ i r ^ ^ i ■ i tit & imbeciiJM- AS OHY owMe \ that he fhewefhy that not to depart from God^ ts no other- tiiHoftTx,dumr>c yx^tfe but ffmen ofGod, m ihat he teachethjhat it is to be beff^edofGodt info/enter extol- for bee that ts not ledtnto temptation, doth not depart from God. Thts, iat,neqiuifibifu. fajjh he.*< not in the jlr^nffth ofFreewiUasnow it is, ItrvasmmanbC' gaater aiiqrtid af- forc hisfall^ b(tt after the fall of man God would not haue it belong faut {'o^^ffiZuTJ"^ »>/(?/;'/(? his grace, that wee come vnto him ; neither rroftld he haue it be- fofftonis gionam longfatic ontly to hts grace ^ that vee doe not depart from htm. Thus bee iuumprSit: conceiuedandobfetucd as couching Cyprtans meaning out of Q- &fubmijj:icon- prian.i ownc words, and bereaucth Ai. Bifhop of Gyprians war- ^lumDoino' '"" ^^^^ ^'^^^ f^^^j wbich he would father vpoti him by fomc words ob- qtiicquid fupfiici- fcurciy vctcrcd in another place. '^ Cyprian that worthy Martyr fia» %utTpr.t(htur. v^ ell enough, faith he, that we line mojl $n fafetie, when we afcrtbe all to. b AugiiflJc bn:o God,and donot cowmtt OUT felues partly to God^andpartly to ourjelucs, ^ZhfUobis^r'eiJ' By thefe three therefore A^.Btjhop hitherto hath gained nothing, quit, uquouin. Luf by Cjprtan, whofe words fcemc to make mo(i for him, hegai- X^o'temtT. s'qid. ncth Icaft of all. But now hee vrgeth the confeflion of fome ofour d'tn c^ -ot non di[ctid.vnnf a Deo mn o(tendit,d,tnd!tm effe rtift a. Deo, cum fafcsndum ojlendit a. Deo. §lni enim nut infertur in unt.u tionem, no» difitdit k Deo Non ejl bocor/mmo in viribus Libtriarbitrij qualei nunc funt, fuerat tnhomine antequaM eadcret, ^c. Tofi cafum autem hotnims noH n'fi ad grtitiam fuam JDeUiiiolmt feitinere, vt homo accedxt ad etim, mjue mfi adgratiam [uamperttHere volnit, vt homo non reced.tt abeo. ' Ibid. cup. 6 . Tut torn viuimu) ft tetum Detda- mitt, non autem mi ilii ex f arte & nobii ts^ain iqrHnnKmUt Sl^o^ vidit ijk vtmrtibilii Martyr, ^c, bcft of Tree mU. 143 b;ft learned, thdt4ili^>iti(jHitte (except/rtg one/jf S. /^ufltn) beleeuci anAtAugkt Freewill. To thispurpofelie ailfgcfli aplace ouiofthc CcnCLincSj which he callcth a Urge long lying hiftorie \ -marry fpca- king but by roatc as children doc,oras die Clownc did oiAnfltdet^ who giiiing his voice to the banirhmcnt of the fame Artfltdes^ and being p.skfd ofhim vnknownc, '^n>hc!l}erhekjJewhim^g^ii»(iii>bomdpi(tfarcfu4- hecg4ue hU voice ^ iwfxvere'd, that hee ks^ew him not , bat tt tea6 treublc f¥>'-f"^- vnto him to hcare himtenrmedatufi mdn . For fo A/.BipJop knoweth notchcCcnturics, (alas poorc man, wlta^^lould hec meddle with !uch great bookcs ? ) but bee hath heard that Prorcftants were the A'lthors thcrto^ and that is enough to warrant Him to giue his voice againrt them. But his fcllowes know, that they liauegood c.ulc to fpeake wr 11 ofthc Authors of thofcCeniurief, bccaufc by tiicmthcy haue been able to fay more for thcmfeiucs then eiicr they were before : lo faithfully didthofemcu dcale in v.he compiling of ithat (loiie. Now they fay ii>dccdj as hce allegethfrom his Author, hh^t Clement AlexAr/drtKiu doth euery where tatch Freeivtll, and that \mt oneljthe Dolors of Fhatageweretn fttchdatk^effeybut alfothattt . \\did much increafe in the agesfollowmtr. Where taking the matter to iibcfimply, asclieyfay, andas y^i.^/^^/^doihobied^, what doth he •,P''''y?«''- ^^i'?- liigaiiic more by that obi^dion, then the Pelagians did ? ' ^'ho defen-Zuo»fm f,a^'' ; dedtheir ohjlinacie byantiqmtie, and a^rmed, that none of all the Sc-^'^'M^* ^'^•^' ciefijiflicaU Writers ihat vcere before^ dtdfo expoh^:dthe Scriptures, as ^,,'tm EccLfinfli. [Aufttn dtdyX\:i\\\Q\yf .z., t:ML vt m»c examtniKg tioe optntom of the more ancient Fathers, they were foundjimiumur.ifflr- ^0 be :n amannernllofone mwde agAinflhim. Buttliishctooketobc f'^^'.^^^ ^^^ iino fnflicicnt argument,but frcciv profc(rcthof hiido6hinc//i(;>i'^»'frr/?«.v.f.i8.Wof ^ihit no manmthout efror could difpfite again/} it.Uc cxcu^ah ihe ^^'{^^^''^^I'l^j'.fJ^l jjci cuts that were before hurt •, ^ thai before the berefie of the P elagiAns jhyinuomm, &c. -.'ibeiAnrthey hadnot any fuch neede to deale much in fhdt cjueflton^ ^*'^urt^to'mrfe^^'*' ith:reforevchat they thought ofthe grace of Goiijhey touched but brief- 1 DtprJ,ft.pMc. '\Ue and bj I he iv/iy , in fome places of their workfSy but flood more 'vpo'n\y^\^JJj'fl'^*'^^ i\thofe things which they h.indled againjl other enemies of the Church. ""■■ ntnhabutrat I'Yethc faith, that by their fupplicaiions and praiers tt plainly appeared '^'^^f,l''*y^^(^^ ii u hat crace doth, becaufe t key n ou!d not haue asltfd of God t bote thin? i ^""' qi^'fli"* I * J J y -S. . J S & -,.nft,i,u'c.vndt ■I fj.'iumtfl^ VI eU Wpitia Dei quid fiMtirent, breiiiterauibifdamCcriptorumfttmim /cr > (^ troMfiUnttr ttiVyigertHttimm'rriutrCHr vrriin i\«j quxaduer(iti nUos inimicoi EccLfixdifputabant, (y-c freijtt^ataUoiibui aui ora'^iowbuijimphciier apfaribat Dei ! i>a! a quid vjltr*t, t^on tmm^»[ctnntnr a Deo j/« pr/ccpit fieri, ntf [e m [\^^f, what ht tau ^ht. Now bv this anfwer o^ Aufiiit to the Pehigi- r^fuJ ans, M. Btitjop a-id his tdJoucs mult receiue their an(v\ cr. U JC i jbiix.z^.Tit- ^yp,.g j^Q prcimiicc Jo him, that the Fathers before hiirs duphi: ochcr- quxfjueiurcfe^ wiK thcnliedid. It IS HO pteiudice to VS tcachiiio the lame that nee tnniUjfe Ecclcfi.i jaiight. Hccpioicffcdh\m[clichobceffeei*iitheivyttmcr;ofanyfuch na: cotra tjuas di- men, and that tt rvas t he Scripture only to xvhich bee V0a6 bound ^vii hout Lgennm dcfcade- YefuCailt.o qiuc confcnt: whv thco dotli M Bifljop fcekc to bind vs in teUtr Serf two. > ■> cS ,' n ^ r r ^ \ \ \ diMnafiuarnft 3 in.utcr whcrcin S, /4ujtt/j rcruled to bee bound ? Profper being vr- miiatahsmccfi- „^^ i,y (hj. Peiapjans witha fentcnceout of the booke o\the Pa- autem elegit loca/lor, rciecTed it "" M a tefitmonie of no authoriiy, i]beit Antiquhy had fvXSS^M- "^*^ accounicdof that bookc,as that chcy had ioincd it to the books ti9comm,y;data oftlienewTefiamentjand did rcade it pubhkcly in their Churches : Si&l'>"^'^off^^^^^^/'f^»"^«"'^"'^'^3 that wee reica feme few tcrti- jiroUbored'fcndt, monicsallcgcd by him of farrelcfle authofitie then that was ? But ZfZtu&t^' y^^ ^^flf'^f found in rhefe few teftimonics of the more ancient Fa- ^ ibid.cap.\9- thers,rufficitntto \M{}.\^QboihfotW\xr\:ih'\ys,'' thatwe hauenothf^g cap.T.' ^ ^'^ thereof t-oglorie as ours^ which God hath net gtuenvntovs ; that our I" vrofper. de 'ib. heart and thoughts are not inour ovenepoiver J but Gods : that all is to be 7homaus "efiimo- ofcrtbed vnto God, and that vce mufi confe^e^ that we recetue all wholly mud: ubeUo of him, as touching our conuerflon to Cod.and continuing wtihhtmuhat r^ 'i^i§n.m expo- it itvphollj the gift of grace y the gift of God, which of kim vce haue, and fit. Symbol, aptid Cyprian. ° >yiug.de Bono perfeucr.cap. i $. Ifl* ta'es tanriqiie Doclores dicentes »on ejfi ali^uidde i]m timqHamde wjho quod nobs l)ei4i mn dedent.g'oriemnr,nec ipfiim cor nojlrum ^ cogtt.itiones ncflrai iu potijiate Hojira. ejfe,et totum dan- res D.oAifii "b ipfo nosaccipere confi'emes, vv pcrmanfun conuertamur ad aim,i/t id ijuodbonum eft, nob ^ qrioq; -vidie- atur bon!*m,& qundveiimHS t!lud,vt honoremm Deum^d?- recipiamui Chrifium : vt ex mdeuotis efficumur deu»:i & re- ii^iop, vt in ipfam Irmtatem crtdaraus, & confiteamar etiam voce quod sredimm, b>cleared fomefpeechcsofhisagaitift theManichecs, a? p before wa s Ihe wed in the anfwer to /f/5//Z»<»;>; xSca.6. Epi(^le,thcy fhall eafily be reconciled tothc truth.Therfore in them alio that fpcakc moii amide, wc find fomctimes a right and true ac- knowledgement of the grace of God. Who was a greater Patron lot Free jr///(hen Ongen ? who yet notwithftanding confelleth.'^ that ^*'-''^>iit'-e Dti, yet further to expiclfe his mind hec adcicth, ^ that th;s benefit ofna. TrJITcltedlnr tnrewM cropped bj mear?es ofjinne, and wot turned a/ide to fyame and '"i""'" ^" '/««- UfcimoHJnes ; but that the fame being repaired by ^race^and reftored by hoc'fr.cd,fil>ilti thedoSIritteofthewordofGod, doth gtuethufweet fiuour which God A«'*";»g«""» \hefirf} Creator put into it, but the trefpaffe offin^ehad taken away, nan:, &c. IpVhere itappeareth p!ain!y,thatinfpe3kji)gofFrkim verSiDtire^mt^iodoremredMT fine dutio ilium ijutmfnmui Ctndi'ar Deut tndidetat, ftdpcccnti tdfaptbtrAxcrat. . L place I4<$ Of Freewill, ixClem.^!cxaHl place to til*? ffrace ofGod, faying, ^l^ee haue fheeUIlneed of Gois tiisntem ktbere fa- gracc, and truc dcttrme^ And ojcba[te (^ fut c ajfeCtjoHt and oftae Fa- mm,&c^. ad quod flyg^s ()irawin\>okih againft vs : butlet vs rake urn & ad rM'um ^j^^^ vvords following wiiha!l,3nd by them cxponnd thefa^ce alfcr- vdum covfirmii tioii. For euHl-dotttg eneryman is freefrom righteotipteljetandth^ fer- tjl »os h.-!bcre : f^l ^^j. ^f /f„„g [there hee hath atreadic Free will) bat in that that is liber ejl ([uifque good no man Can be free^ except hee be made hee bj himt hat fait h. If ^'SlmfiruH^: ttt ^^^^ Sonne pjall make yon free, then are je free indeed. If any lif chem bomauttmUher thought othciwife, they erred in that they thought : ncicherlcar- tinUm hltl: ncd they fo to thinke of the Apoftlcs , or their beft fcholars, as tus'abeoquidt- M Bt^Jop idlcly ralketh, bur either borrowed it of heathen Philo- yir, *^o;yj;«j fQp}jers^ or prefumcd it of themfcUies. And whatfoeuer they ttiought or meanti their manner of fpeaking was not Apoflolike, neither learned they it by the word oFGcd : and therefore thofc times were not the purefl: times, which had thus in phrafe and yRom.^.17. fpccch varied from that ' chdraBer and forme ofdoH;ine, rf hereto tl^c Church was firft delmered. And if Ad.Bi(hop will fay, that they learned thefc things ofthe Apoftles, then he muftcoadcmae Saint iSitL'S ^fi^f^^> and the whole Cathohke Church of that time in whirh instnptun': tra.- Au(ltne\iuc6, fot teaching Other Wife then tficy taught : which if he S w^S will not doe, he muft perforce acquit vs as well as him, and let the (Umtn:!4mfidA blame rcfi vponthem ta whom it doth appcrtaine. Whom we ac- TicIxiT'''' <^o""t "o ^""h^r t" bee Pillars ofChriJls Church, then they thcm- h^Aug.cont.dttas fclues contiuucd built vpon the Gofpcll, vvhich ChriR hath made caf. 9.^Excogi!'a- ^ the pillar and fortreffe ofour faith : neither doubt we to fay of them ufrunr MMtcke- that thcy SNcrcindark^eJfe, wh^rethc '^ivordof the law andtefiimonjX MomJ'mpenL did not giue thcm light. Nowforconclufion, hcvpbiaideth vs a ^uo^po:uen^tde- gainc wit'tuhc hcfeiieof thc Manichees, onely to fhew himfelfca^ /lTw«w 4««- pcif<^^ fcholar of the Pelagian fchoole. For fo did the *" Pelagians ufcrue,pfLma. obiccl CO Ah&ine and other Teachers of the Cathohke Church, that dmvcrmtt thcy Gookc part with the Manichecs, and defended their herc/ic i» the of Free wU, 147 the 6eny\t)aofFrffvill.Thcy called them Afanic^ees^ind ofthem- fclucsfdici, tUiiihey dealt for the CittholikfffMtha ' t 1 "^ I t ^ r i'b ■ t ^ I I dm neg.int 1)0. I ChMrcocondemneththemboth,jajtng to the Alanichees^ Gm made mtmbonoix bU' 1 njaniiif} -andtothe PeLq^ians, If the Sonne fhall make jou free, then ^o arkmo fuiffi 1 fire you free indeed. Let M. Bfjh^p tumc the name of the Pelagians lagMmdkunteti- I into Papids, and rake this anrwertohimfclfe. The Pelacians and 'j"' '■"/"'!""' ""' Pi)pi(ts arc no: rnereforc to be approo'jcd, becaufe they condcmnc habere hberumar- lbs heicdc of the Manichees, but are therefore to bcc detcfted, be- '^'j"""/ ''''*//'« , , r- ~ I enditm precept WH caiife rl^f y haue let ?p anotiicr hcrehc of their owne. ^ Tuo errotirs io>ium. ctholici (faith S. 'An(ii»?) m*j h contrane one to the other ^and bothf be de- "^'j/'^^J'^' tefledy bicaufe tiey are both can tr arte to ihe truth Soisit with the 'jbid.fo/funtd/M Manichecj and Pjpii^s : and wee take the courfc that the ancient ^7cJ«VJrX&^^ Church did to condcmnc them borh. But ofthis matter I haucfpo- "mbofunt dat- ken Ibfi^c icntly be fore in anfwcring his Epiftle, and therefore need ^/„tcZrl!^' not hcere to ftand vpon it. virir^ti. ij. VV. Bishop. Here Trvouldmakean cndofcitsng Authorttiet,were it not thatCdX- a.lnft, ca.J.q.4. vimfaith, that albeit all other ancient J^Vriters beagainjl him, yet Saint Auguftinc at he vaunt eth^ vs cleerely for him in thi4 point : but thepoore man isfouly decerned as trellin this.asin moji other matters. I veil brief. lie prooue, and that out ofthofe )voyl(fs xvhtch S . Augudme wrote afier the Pelagian here/ievcM a foot : for in bif others, C^lul^chiorvledg'' eth htm to haue taught Tree will. Of our Freedome in confem'tng to Gods grace, he thw define tb : To confent to Gods calling, or not to Dc rpiVMitj^. confcntjieth in a mans owne will. Ajaine: Who doth not fee cue- AasimpSu.2*. ry man to come,or not to come by Free will J but this Free wilJ may Traa 71. in lo- bcalone,ifiic do not come, but it cannot be hclpen,ifhc doc come, '"'^f'' ■'*^' /»4«ff//;tfr/>A?ftf,that we wil](do vvell)God wil haiicittobe his and outs ;his, in calling v9;ours,in following him. Teamore'.ToQt^nd Working in him, a man doth cooperate, that is, uorkcth wnh him,both his owne iu(lification,and life eucrlafting. JVAlyoubeare bimfpeake yet more formally for vs f Wee hauc dealt with your bre- L 1 thren I,ib.4.cotitr. 3ul.c.8. 148 Of tree mU. thrcn and ours, as much as we could j thac they would hold out and continue iachc found Cacholikc faith, the which neither dcnieih. Free will, to cuill or good life, nor doth atcribuie To much to it.that it is worth any thing without grace. So according to this mofl wer- thte Fathers iud^emer^t^ thefomd Catholtkf faith doth not deny Free will, ditheoldM:inkhecs, andomne)»Goj^ellers doe 'y fJcrefteemeit mthout grace able to doe any thing toward falfiation, Oi the Pelaotans did. Jndtoconcltiie, heareS.A\igu{\wc^aftf}rcrvfitothe*»,whofa)t, that bee, rvhtn hee commendeth grace, demeth Freewill: Much lefl'c would 1 fay, that which rhou lyingly doft cflrlrnic nietofay, Free will to be denied, if grace be commended ; cr grace to bee denied, ; if Free will be commended. • tnflitutMb.t. fe lbid.Sta.9. R. Abbot, Calftin indeed confclTeth, as the truth is, that the *ar.cieMt TVrim\ tersy fatse onely Au^in^ hauewrittenfo dtaerjly andintriditely^ or ob^ fcftrely of Free ml ^as that hardly a man can gather from them any cer^ tainty as touching that point. Buty^thc faith further,that t> a/beit the) went toofarrefomettmes in extolling Freewill, yet hee dareih to affirmt that they aimed at this mar^e^ to tttrne man altogether away front the " confidence of his ownefirength, and to teach him to fn(ik.e the repofe of his firength in God onely. But whereas C<«/w« thinketh that v^//y?/«tf is cleare for him in this point , M.^t(hop faith, the poore man v^oi foulely deceifted as well in this, oi in moji other matters. Where I can- not but fmile to fee how cucry ignorant brablct will haue a fnatch at C4/«/«, when he in the mcane time going like a (lately Lion, flia- kcth them off like curres, and daflicth them againft tiicwallcs. If Caluf4.\NQ^Q poorc a man/alas what flial we thinke ofA/.Bi^op f What fhall we m:ke of him but a bc^gcr outright ? Yet hee takech vpon him to prone, and that cm ofthofe workes which S, Anfitn wrote after the PeLigtan herejie was a foot, that the fame Aafiin taught Free will. And weedcnienot, butthathccdidfo, and in that meaning whcrem he taught it, we are ready to affirme it. Yea let him rcmcm- t iUlSea.%. bcr that Caluin profcfl'cth, that " if any man wtllvfe the name of Free wtllivithoHt th: corrupt meaning of it, hee will notgatnefaj htm^ • onely becaufe it cannot be retained without danaer ofemlivnderftandinir, he mfheth it to be forborne^ and in that re fpc 6t wee for the moft pat t doe forbcarc of Free will. i^^ forbearc It. But this Frre rvill in true mcaning,!s m facttftie of nature, ''•^"^ '^^^?^ asA^f. 'BilhopwWl needs hnue \t,bi\i'^it beloMgethto thegrAce of God, ^cap.e.jpium to the gifts ofGod/iot onely the beein^ of it hut the connerihig oftt vnto ^aiTItZHDef God. And vcrie truly doth the fjmci'. yift/}i» ix^iic^thH'^ tftv'e haue hoc eji, ad dona* of God (by nature) a Free mil , xvhich may be etthergood or euill, and ^^bZl'mclclL hAne of our feints a gaodvrUL (by conlcncint^ or applying it tvhcii ■^tfii,{cdtux?n God cul'cth to that that is good) thenbetter is that thatwee bane of ^e'l'tMUn^u onrfelhes^ then that that rre hane ofGai. Which becaure it is abfu d, ^'"»*»' mxudtt* wcc inull needs ncknovvlcdge, that 3 good wiii, that u to fay, Free e7S*!TLv« mil tofaichandriohccoufneirc, isnotofourfelucs,buroFGodonc- ""bu libera q»^- lic. Hue A-f. BtpJopjiWe^^ixVi Aufitne afrirmin^ , chat ^ to confent to dTo^.^Z'^Ii-^ Gods callt'i^.ornot toconfcnt., proprU voluntatis eji, belonoethto mans >'"<:p<"'fi'jf'^ ■^•■■l cxTnewill. liucrathct he ihould idy, propnevolftKtattj rxdn.:- istnthe^oxverofman .- ' fed nulla eft pot eft as nift d Deo, bi^t t here is no [l^j,^, ,remuTti' porver but of God. Itisinmans will, whcuGodhaih giuenhim to-/^'""'"'/'^'^'"^ will : it is in mans power, when God hath giucn him power. And aJit^tl/r.'^tnt morethenthisjhowfocucrvxce read the words, S. AuJ^/nemtendcd '»""»«"'<"■'''-" not. For full and ccrt^mc adurancc whereof, Af. Bifijep (\^ou\d haue //^.L/^/u/f- remcmbrcd , thatS. Aufiirie himfclfcreportcth it as an error which ^<:''»t<' tcEfif^ I II'- 111 \, t /- I /■ II t coif.ummtum hec had loniennies holdcn , " that to confent to the Gofpeil\xhenit «• fc,.p:a. predehedit ofottroxvnervttl^ and that iveebiue that ofour/e/nfs. i'lom ln'E?a^o'^c which crrour hec profcHcth |]c was reclaimed by thofe words of the f:->ftre,veh:on ApoRlc : ^ PThat ha/} thou that thou hajinot rtceitted i For if it bee ol" '„'^f;;i'J"j\''^] (^ ' our owne will that we confcnt,then foir.cvvharwe liaueofourle.'iics veUmts. which we haue nor rcceiued. HcefliJuldfuther h.uieremembrcd, th3t5./^A»/?;»noccth it as the error of the Pckguns,that"'ror^;?/#vf, L 3 «r Ij'o of Freewill^ or *ioi to confem is i» our fcluet and ofotirfelties^fothat if we wtH,wtc dofo: o-rtftre wtllKot.weCMife that thsfoorke of God nought auaileth in a co>ara Pekf.d- '^s.^^. Bf^^sf there fore doth amifle,to make ^ufitn a patron of that cek/iMi.icap. opinfon which he reformed as an error in himfdfe^and condemned- dcat & vmire 35 an crror m Other men . cjien that ctiBn this alfo was omen Nef?3ovemtad me * * i » d>c. thee? Heare himthu calledthee'.Nomancommethvntemeexce^tmy %Zi ^Ip'io' Father draw him. For "^ when God will hane'a man do that which is not [lepra Seci.6. to be done but by the will,he in an vnfpeakab/e and rronderfull fort wor- lS>'icap.tn!rc kethinhtm to will. But M. EiPjop perhaps groundcth vpon that "jeiim'ts fir.e mhu that ^.Aufitn faith^that the wil of man is helped if he do come,as im- 7e"m-^d'iil!^.nT. Porting that man doth fomwhat of himfclfc,but y et^ is not fully fuf- htfcum cbopirnutr ficicnt wJthout hclpc. Whepcto 1 anfwcragaine, that man doth E.v M^'i^^»,a^^;,^^romwhat,butnGtofhimfc!fe,&God helpech man domg fomwhat, tnbotuw, cy-ciim bucfo^3S that that wherein hee helpeth him is ofGod alfo, fo that u^ur""'^'^ '"" Gods helping of vs doth alwaies prcfuppofe a workeof his ownc ^^■^<:--'}r-cxp.ii. invs.wliichhe aloneand wholydoth \vithci:tus»r/^//^tf«r Z'/(faith Xirnbona^n^p'l'. Atifiine')heworl^ethinvst9Wtll,and worketh with vs., or helpeth vt jfjirxiadtumn- xvhen We do wtlhhbe will is changed from euill to good, and helped pr4^r.ttamf^ whsn it is good .^ Hfprepareth the good will that is to bee helped^ and II Cowrr-* elms E- helpeth it when it is prepared. " Free will to right eoufnejfe is frfi made cap%. Jdiufiitm freehand then helped.Hc rein then ftandeth M, Bifhops error, that hee nifdtuimtw U- joincth man to God xx^ the firft framing of the will to come to God, ([lis non -uu'm. lo that tor the peirormance hcreotjas (jod is mans helper, lo man is alfo Gods helper.not by that that God harh now wrought la man,bu£ by that that man hath naturally of his ovvne: and there- fore of free mil. iji fore GodhclpctH manforliisfaluation, ifman by bis Frtewill\\c\\} God forthcfauingorhimfclfccbutifman withdraw his hcipe, tlic heLf^cot God aiiaileth nothing. But the true hclpeof God which .S, /^«/?/wfceacheih, is that whereby God himldfc workcth in vs, that whereby wearehelpcruU vntohim,ncithcrdothhe helpcany thing in vs, but whathcc himfclfe hath wrought and prepared in vstobi liclpcd. And therefore hee inakctha dirtin(ftion of two "" ^s compr.^* II c I r ^ • J /I I f t I n -^ a^*^ Cifji.i 2. kindci oi heipe. " Aitmejt aatutormmt [tns qm ali^jwa nonjit^cja- y fbid.cap.n. liui efi adiHsortHm, qno uliqmd fit. There it a kind of helpe, without •^^t'l-onum per I t L J L/ / /J // / / '• / luodpofctcftnel- which a thing a not done^ ani there tt another l^nde of helye by vcntch /«,) ^[im qm Athmi IS done.'Xhcich a helpc without which a thing is not done, "o^H^ff^f'- I I I I I I I • '■ 1 f ueranter honuni hue though thathclpc bee had, itroj.ouetn not thereupon tnziteHeteqiiodveUer. \ the thinsz is done, bcc^ufcrbmc other hclpc is wanting, without ] 7>"<^-^fl'>*j'»- o ' I f 1 / b:ipcr lianc ffa t- I which that helpc auaileth not. ff'/i bout fo.de wee cannot hue, am non[4umpof, I and yet though food bee hai^he liueth not thereby that mil die^oim^-^^^^'^^^^f^^^^^^^^^ \ kethaway hiiiileifc. Such wascheheipc o\ God to ^darn'mPari- quodpojjUm": dilc, ^ xvtthout which he confdnot continne thoHah he tvouldy by which he mi^ht continue if hewo(4ld;bi\t\\'askfztohiso^ncviii\\, either to contiiiucby this he[pc,o: by forgoing it to fall away. Such the Pa- p'lt^bdyihcheJpeofGodtstovtf by which we come to Chrifl, and con iiiueifwetviji : but boch for commingand for continuing itis IcfttoourF/'^tf'M'///, either to vfeit, cr refufeit: fo that it is in vs whether It fliall be a helpc or not. But'' the helpe of th^grace of (^hrifl ii fuch ,as whereby the thing is certaincly cfFc6lcd,tor which » capM.rca^itrt- K IS a helpe: not fuch as whereby wee come to Chrift , or continue ^ocun:d^taf,te. II ) I II / /• 1 • nt tonnnw) fit vith him if wee will^ but which mukcth vs to vvtll.'totiut it is^^rw.- Admori- firft a mcere qift of that, of which afterwards it becommcth a «'«c'Z '«"«''<»»., helpe. For cximple hereof Saint Aufiine faith, that* blededneffe jk,vem»MiAm U a helpe by which when it is gtu;n , a man ii fotrthwith blefjed, 'l"lida7f"' Thereby giumg to vnd^rftand , that this ^tf/jpr is the giuing of ^M^i/rwJZarrf- thcthing whereinGod is Didto helpc vs. So that Gods he/pehT^^;l:;;^lf^,.^ our comming to Chn[l,is rhegrft of God whcrby wc doe comcrhis ■vteupcrfaurM- it^//>''' p"-/"""- 'his gift, whereby vvec doc pcrfeuere, ani no other but pfrfeuere''P^f^'!l'f"^^ctii andcontinuetotheend.And diishelpe doth 5aifit y^«/?/«* meanc i--t pcr^h^ do»um in the place cited by M. Bipjop. The will cannot but beeholpen,ifa T^'^tj'p^i"^' moMCometoChrtfl^mzmm^, that mans will comcth not toChnft, L 4 except 152 OfTreennU. except God gill? vnto the will to will and to come, that is, to be- Iccueinhim. hnd thcrchrehc zddcih y y^fidfo helped , as that hce e Etfuxjiuum I ,^ ^1^^^ ^ ^^ ^^^^ bmdee alfo that rx>hich hee knawetb : fraendumiit fa- which in the Chapter bcfoie hcc hath thus cxprellcd, thzn'^tothem ffeilmfaaai'. rvhtch are caUedoffurpofe , Godat once giueth both tokr-o^^^f they ACont.?eiai.& l^joHlddo^anitodowhat theyk^ow, Gods helping therefore is-no o- Jfff r£« thcrbuthis^f«/»^: and by'thtsfecond place ok,Bt[hyp ^aumh as ^uifecundimpa- \[i[\q as he gained by the fitli. ^■fm^fnnuidmMi As little aduantagc hath he by the third place, nay, we fee therc- o- quodagant fci- \^ ^ notablc pcecc of fraud andfalfhood in concealing the former l^eT/'" part of the words, which (houldcleere the latter. * Jnonefo^ttimh. ' -^'^ Simflic.ti. /lujiine^ Godyeeldeth tovsto^'ill ; tn Another fort hee per for met h the p'rxjtJvt -veil- thing that Vf>e will. That wee will^ hee would haue it to he his andours : ,:'ius,dah-pr.i:fi.it [ji- f„ calling \ OHYS ttifellowiMg. Bttt the thing that we will he alone t^er. ■ut-vdtmui&fil.formeth y that is ^ to bee able to doe we U., andfor euerto lius tnblijfe. umvoim: ejfi e> vVherc plainelv heaffitmcth, that itisGoJthatdo:hor petformcth i,ocando,noftrum bo^h the onc and the other; hcc miketn vs to will, and hee makcin fmendo. ^coA jj J.Q yj jl^P i\\iv\a that cut wiH deiircth. HoV then will hee hauc a.tMivoluenmmt) 1 ,, //lit 1 • • • fo!t*spr.tjlar,td MtobeeoHrsthatwewillorarewillmffj butoy his vv'orking itinvs to eft,po(fe beni a^e- ^^ ^y,.^ p jj jj j|^g g^ ^^ ^^^ ^j jj ^ {^"^j, .^^g J^ ^^jj] ^,^^ ^^ ^^^^ j^^ re cj" (trAper ve,t- . ■' ' tiwuere. yetitisGods, becaufehec workethin VS to will, {cis his tn callings ^l^^^ab'tlap!^! ^**^^ in following ; but it is his alfo that we foUoWjbecaufe he makcth feqtiacesfide& VS to follotv. pothow do wc follow whcH he cal!eth,but ^ by willing r^f/flk duas^^'^^^^^^^'^i ' And no man can bcleeue, ^ except itbeegirten to him epiii.veUgMb.i. to bekeuet and '' that there is ayeeldtng or aJfentttJg of the will^ it is het ^h^d'simphc.q.i that giuethtt^ faith Aujlm in thatveric trcatife,//- «^f thatgrameth nfituutm'vo- ff . fothatalthough wee will , and wee runne, and tbi; willing and /r/M^e'/^-gzL-.r^ni'ihig bee ours , yet as theApoftle f^iih •, ' it isneith^rofhtm that 'Ro.n,?.i6. willeth^^ nor of him that runneth, but of Godt hat fbeweth mercy. Con- cerning which words , it is worth the while to obfcriie what Saint Aafiine writeth in the fame dircoMrre,whcnce M. BipJopf^kdh this obicttion , and withma veriefcw lines after , and thought worthy to remember in diutrs places of his workcs. M, Bi(hop faith as all hisfellowes, that all is not ofGod, hut fomcwhac belonscth tomansFrfff )r;/^forhisconuetfion vntoGod, which yet fufficcth !iot vnlcirc it bcejielped by the grace ot God. But S. j^njlm faith. OfFreimll. I^, * Jfthgreforeonelyithefaid^ Itisnotofhimthatwilleth^ ftsr of htm thatran-'jethy but of God thatfhewethmercie^becaufethemllofman k^isim,/ clone is notfufficient, except it be helped by the mercy of God ^ it may be ^-fipropureti fi- alfothfufaidjhatitiinotofGodthktPjetveth mercy, btit ofman thnt^'^'^^!^^^"^^f'^-^ mlleth, becaufe the Mercy of God alone fufjiceth ftot y vnlcQe there bee '■'*">'^*»t'ii^">rni- adiolned the confertt oft he will of man. More c ff; (dually doth hcc ex- ,*! f^u"/i"leaJi pi cfle k in another place, i If therefore it befaid, It is not of him that -vinanm wfiad- i-villeth , mrofhimthjt runrietb^butofGodthatPjeivjh mercy ^ b;cuHfe""rJ!!"DTiilZ]^ St IS done by both ^ that is^ by the xviltofman, a}id by the mercy of God. as ^'' ^"^^ '^'* '^ '''« . tftfxvere faid, the mil of man alone fnfficeth not, tf there be not alfo the rf!.t'ue^Dufvi' mercy ofCoJ.,thena'jothe mercy of God fnf teeth not, tf there be not aJfo "^"^'"^ 'ft i>->»:'- theivi/l f'''r'::itr. leth nor of htm that runnel h^ but oj God that (hevrcthmercy , ft tot am ao tjucmo.io d tx- Deo detnr , that alltvholy may b:e atiributedto God^ ^'^'' P^^P'*''^^^^ um^^,fre,?^ff or m.tk^th the goodmllof man. Whac could be more notably fpoken '^' 've'.iwu. tooucrthrowall PoprOi alfcrtion oFmans F''*?^? W/^which feeing jf'f^^"^^^^^^^ S\ Aafline gaue M. T^ifhop occafion co note in the vcric p\ACt ciumefl^Konyo. whence hce tookc his obie(J^/on, ^wce mull needs thinke him a man iTit^oiJfi^ii ofa feared confciei'.ce, that would thus wilfully bend himfelfc ^.^ft>'-x/rjoiiin':AU gdinll an apparant truth . In a word , 1 anfwt r his obicdlion out of JwrJ,^ ulrT Anfitne by the words o^IIierome., hauing reference co the fame (en-f'"^'''^"""'"'f^' fence of the Apoft!f ; ^To viU, and to >7/7/( according to godlineffe) is tn^^c.t.w^Lm onrr ; but enen that that is ours, is not cw s without the mercy of God, djaretm >.»^fui- HC LI c A a I ^1 a I ■ ' pciifo'tt va.u!tas IS fourth place or Aft/fine^ is t hat ■ C hnjt rror-ktno in man, man hormni.fimnfit him'^elfe doih cooperate , that ts , worl^eth t ogether t^iih htm hi4 orvne""""''"'.'*'"^'-^- wflifcat ion and life enerla/ltn'T. An idle ob".e(5lion, bcc^iifc by that fica ago f^U »>i. vcnoplace, ifirweredifLufled, it fliould appcare which the fame ^'''^/r '•'/'''' -/^ S. Atijhnefor a full anfwcrcxprefly faith clfwhfie, " that Goa ma.iu>,t.7si0',iw: acptr luK fircfl} diStu»i eCiylT^nn -jot;>i'':<: Ijominit fed '■•lifcrenUicJl Dei q.ia id vohiut.n hominr fo!x non imp'.t, cur riM o- i (■ mr.nio r.->.c[cdicitur,'J(jyi t/tif^)en:n eft Dei fed vo'ent:s efihon.tnn i(t von im^UtiPonn fi nitlliu Chri- fit.vius diarc iU'.djb.t,hlon ntif.fcn n eft Dh (cd voUutu rft l>onrin*! ttc ^^ojio'.o a.f'enifTi'Kt t'.a radic.n ,>ej/at "vX prcptf rcjt relit diiiumme'ltgx'.NrfKoniioUf.i', C'C. V to um D^o cLtur a,it iy)>i-imsx'>'.tint.ttc»i Sorit'/i c?- pr.t p.n/t' «•'- iuu.t>uL:»ic;-a!tnn.upy.ep:trartim. '" Hicron.ep'fl ai D.me:rni.d. Felle (i;- noilenofiriim eji, ifpu-njut quai noflrum tfi fine Dei m-.feitiuonc y.ofirum non eft. » .Augujl.in loin:. ra.:ir 2 Operant e m fe O/tflu tooferai ur f.tlu'. < m .ctemim Mtuli'fic.tnofiempiani. » Jk Pfi'.^j Dei fr.Ui.t »o,i fo!u:/i oierr.tur rcmiffontm pcccaiorum, feiclixm coc^isntem fibifiCit fptnuihi iionum if$ o[cr: boftoiUin (_iilortMi. r )" 4 ofVYee mil, ksth the fpint of mitnto cooperate yorworke together with hint in doing of good rv&rks^Co that this eoo^erating.er rvorktng together wtth God.ii- lic.i jides necjite thc gr.lCC of Goci. it'f7-^«-S Inthcfitchccaimony hcfaich.that AHflin fpeakft^yet more for^ _ nuLimftuixnbo-^ maHj/foT them^\Ai Icthim conceiue oftlie forme as he vvili, wee are ( «\Tibomm,/Juevt any thin 0 wnhottt rrrace either to bee conneri^d from euillto ffoodf or zn botto perfeue-'- / r "^ r i ■ I 1 ■ \i ^ I rm:er^rofia(iufi.t^y ¥^^J^^^^^"c^e to goforivardinthat that psgoody cr toattatne to the us vt adt^if^ eHerlafttnqqood. Now wc whom M.BtpJop termcch ne\r frofpellerf, WMut. ^ DUtyctout of the old GolpeUdoc attirmc, according to the true q -Rjiraa.iA.i. meaning ofS. A»(iin.t\\2t there muft be a Freervill either in eiiill cup.i^.Intantum f... - ' ■> i • i i n ■ ^t- " Ub'.faeftiHi,u.in.ovgooA life, por a man cannot bceirnecgood oreuill .igainfthis i tumiteretaefi ' vvJlLand Ifhecbc wilh'ngly thatthat heeis.it is by Free rvii/y bc- FeUgJib I- cap.i. czulc tlic 1^ til IS alwaics Freehand cannot butbe Free m thatthat t EtDecorrept& if wiilcth. But the wJll of man IS ofii fdfc Fr^f in that that is cui!s grat.cap.i.Libe- ii- ■ r r r r- i ritmm bono ko;< to that Chat IS goodj '^ It ts jo farre onelj Free^ as tt is made Free} em quod libtra. r neither Can any man in this re fpe^ bee free whome thepHrchafercf tor iton liber aue- , .-' . 'r ^ r » J '' rit.inbonoUber free dome haih not made free. Wee fay therefore chat the Free will mfiftmc^iibfrx- ^^ ^'^^'^ ^^^'^^th nothi>!gwithohtgraee, that is in S.AnfltnJConOtU' tut. 6lion, auatleth nothing but by that that qrace vvorheth in it, either 'iffambot^mlo- for conucrting vHto God, or perfeuenng in that whcreunco it is /unutem per z)m' conucrted. An] therefore as S. Au/lia in ihe^epiftle cited fpea- %Ht^Etfiofi:' ^^^lij^ ^^ ^ bj grace that good men hane obtained a^ood hV//, and Grathi»:eUigi. gracemftftbevnderftoodtomnketheviihofmen of e» til good , and to r^iniim^P^Hx' f^^f^^^' the fame when it h^th fo made them -^ and of onr Father tn.ilu botuu facere, xvhtcb if /» hcauen veee are lo begge all things whereby wee hue welly fJcTntcuflolte': leaftpreffimingofFree vviUyVveefall away from the grace of God,\( &a>ite,o>»^u all thtmsj&iznMt we tobcgpeof himtoopen, to yccld.toaflenr, nu.i admorei-M- i • it r \ r ^ ■ i -i jhos peninsnc to rccciue his grace,3nd thcrcrore thelc things cannot be attnbu- mtbusreae'viui- ted to tHc powcr of ouf owncFree »///. Now C^L Btjhop mcerdy Juiitctiis efi do- abufeth Aufita^ as if he had mcant,that Free will hath a power and auteffepofceruit, abihtic of it ownc to rightcoufnclTe , butthatthispowcr is not fuf- fiedc libera pr.e- -. i./ f'i. i ftme>ttef arbitrio ncientjis flot Itrong ciiough Without grace adioyrscd to it, wnere- JfSS'""* ^* ^' '^^fl^"^ meaning is to chalengc wholy to grace, whatfocucr the »i//of man doth, fo that it doth nothing but whatgracc wor- kcth of Freewill. i<;^ I keth in it to doe. ^ Of that xs touchina which (vee are fcmeivhut in the 'Deve*.^pojl (it. f.iilh of ChriJlJ}e\v much foeuer it be.ive may take aotbiyig to our fe/ues, qu'jd^liqmlfu- bHttvemtiliatue the glory of all vnto God. The new golpcllcrs there- *"''-^''""^' "' I fore according to the do<5lrineorthcauncient Gorpcll , dctclt the /«»;.vt ijuanum- : Mar.ichecs for dcnvmo Free xvillm fintic and euill ; and dckft alfo "';?«;/'"»-> «'- I Pdjgians and Papilts , for attributing to Free mil an ability and ww,»f d'-^/wi power of It ownr, whereby to apply it fclfc to righrcoiifnetTe;wliich '^ZT.'fc^Jll'^' whereas AI. Btfhop faith the Pelagians affirmed wiihotitgrjce ^ 1 qnoi acainmus, ' hauc before fliewcd, that he faith vntruly, and that t he Pap.fts doc '"'^^"^ ''•^'"• now teach in thatbchalfc the veric fame that the Pelagians did. To die lali place the anfwcr is ready bv rha: that hath becncfaid; Free »•/// and grace , arc not thconcfxcluJed by the other , neither is , the one denied in the affirming of theother, if we make the one the gr.^t .cL.i.i^ caufeofthe other, as Anfime doth, and teach it to bee the vvorkc of" '""'■"''•"'"'»* I L 11 > ID J • 1- I L- »''»it>trta'.t con- grjce to make the will Free, Bur grace is denied m the preaching /'•'7v<.«r^r,ir;„w o^ Free mil. if as toiichinofaluation itbe affi'rmcdtohaue 2n\free- /'fi''"'" /'«">«• frr/et;*- vnto ic which is not the effea of grace. For " t»a» doth not by free- '"'tT^bmiZ^.i dome of will attaine to grace ^ but by grace obtaineih freedome of xvill ; «-'^«f perapttni^t and though ic be in the will, and by the will, that wcrecciuc grace, Zlu'Dfeft!' yet " /'« allmen the wiUof Cod himjetfe is the caufeofthe receimng of ihcgr.iceofGod \6. W, Bishop. • ) No-Pf in fevf words Ivtillpajfeouerthe obicClions which heframeth in our names : But mtfaj^pheth them. Firtiobicd^ion. That man can dogood by nature, asgiuealmes^do iujiice ^ ff>cake the truth, Q'c. and therefore will them without the helpe ofg race, 7 his argument tree vfe t oprooue l:bi rtte of vvtlltn ctuill andmeraliwatters^ euen m the corrupted/fate of man, and it doth de- won/irat it : and M. Perkins in his third conclufondoth graunt it. Andhisanfxverheere is farre from the purpoje; for albeit [faith hee) totiching thefubfiance of the n^orl^ it beegoed^yet itfatleth both m the begotntyig^becaufe tt proceeds not fom a pure heart, and a f nth v/jfau ued: and alfo in the end, which ts not theglorieofGod. Anfvvcr. Jtfarlethneithcrtnthe one nor other : for that almes may ijfiic out of a true naturtiUcompaJfion^ n hicb i4 afuffctcr.tgcoifuutitame to If 6 ofTreerciU, to mi*ke aworke morally good: faith andgrace do pnrge theheArt , 4»d are neceffarte onely for good and meritoriou* workes : y^gaive , heeing done toreleene the^oore mA»s necejfny yGodhis Creator and Ma^er^ u thereby glorified^ And fo albeit the r»an thought not of God tn partieu- lar :ye( God beein'T the finallend of all good, any good aUton of it felfe^ is dtrtUcdtowardshim^ whsnthe man putt eth no other contrane end thtrennto. . ^ R. Abbot. Ic was a caution giiicnby the Pelagians, * that vceemay notfoat" Proffer, delib tribute to God alltbs merits or good vporkes of holy men ,. oa that wee 4- arbtr.Fjodamas /^^y^^ ^^ f/jg nature ofman nothwff but that that is euifl. This caurion cauendumeJJeneJ ' n . i . ' r r i r» « • ttaadDeumom, thcPapuT,not Willing 111 anv uiing to Iwaiuc from the; Pelagian ZVnafeJ'rZus, hcrefic , doc very rehgioufly obferue. For the prcuing of Free rvid «;r mhdntCiquoi tbcv obic<5t vHto Vs that mart can doegoodby nature^tigiue almes, doe */^rf£iTtf«-'^y?'^^' <^<^- **^^ therefore can will thefe things mthotit the helpe of r^. grace. M. B>{hop faith they vfc f his argumautoprooueltbertie ofwtM fc Crfier.-Enchi- *^' <^if*'^^<^''^^ mor all matters. But therefore very lewdly do they ^ vfc ridcafS. ic agajnlt vs, and cjiclaime that vvt:ebydenia;l of /'rtff »»///, make lawes and cxizoications and inftiui^ions of no cfFcd, when as wee dcnic not liberty and freedome ofvciilinmorall and cinill ailions,* Yet offuch workes wee fay , that althoughin mora!! and ciuiiliife theyftand forgood,yet fpiritualiyandwith God they are not^oo/i workes but cuill, bccaufe howfocucr there is the outward matter and lubfbnce, yet there wantcth the inward forme and life .where- by chcy fliould hauc the condition ofgoodvoorkes. Heereof Ai.Per- v^i'»/faith, that the good thing done by anatmallman is a ftnne inre- fpe^ of the doer ^ becaufe ttfatles both for his right beginmvig , vchtch is a pure hearty a good confcience^ and a faith vnfained-^ai alfo for his end^ which id the glorte of God. But faith At. Btfho^, it faileth neither in the one nor m the other , for that almes may tfjue out of a true nattirall comp<^jfion.,whichis afuffcientgoodfoumaine tomake a \r or ^e morally good. Where I wonder whether he did weiladuifeofchathcfsith. For if naturall compaffion be a fufticicnt^Wfountaine to mske a workc morally good, then becaufe bruit beafts haue trpttnaturali compaffion i and true naturall affcdlions , wcemuft needs attribute cothenivertuousandnioralladions. BuiS^^ufiiny^Asnotcf M. Bifhops of Free will. r^y Bipjo^s mind wlicn Fie fii d, '^ ffeleeue in him that iuflifieth the vnnei. * •^rtZ'^tVfa. j i. Ite. that thy rvo)\es m.iy he good ivorkst. For I mU not call them good nl;ii}Z7^^,Z\ rvorl^es^fo long as ihejifroceede not from a good root. Faith then, by "^^^"^"^ "/'''■* Saint Auftins Judgement, is the good root whence good workes ^j'S^Sf^ inuft grow : and ifihcy grow not from this roor, they cannot bcc ''^'* ''•i'P'ii^''-nm, ci\ki^good A:.d tins hce learned of the ApoHlc, teaching vs, thil rl^tZliTprL. ** without faith it ii vn^offibleto plcafe God, and that "wh^itfoeHeris f'^^''. r.ot offanh^ttisftnne. Andthcreforc o( natttrallcowpajjion^ hefaith, •Rom".i4.i'j. ih.At'^ althoiiq^h m it felfe it beagoodrvorke, yet he vfeth this good worke \f^<'^^^'f' "*"''* itmi([t',thatvfethtt vnbclemingly^ anddothitamijfe, thatdcthit vn- EtllmiftrUordix' biUetiiMgly. Now hee that doth any thing ami^je, foich Wc^fnneth 'fi^^uJluli'Zr- crein ; and therefore the goodxvorkes xxhich vnbeleeuers doe are Gods^ f'oni oime/i bo. . jj vfeth togoodpurpofc them that are euill : but to them that dee them TmomauSt^ttr th cy Atefmnes^in th.it they doe good things amijfe^becaufethey doe them ?•" i»f'di!iter v- :hanvnbileeuing,thatis, mthafoolipj and corrupt will. .Wherein wmmximdi :accord;th with \\\c h\io{{\QS'^y^^'^'l-i^^^t^ tevnbelceuers all things i"^ vifiieUterJx- .r c vncleane^ becanfe euentheir minde andconfcience is defiled. And '!^^'j^lfl*'J^ tb.ereto Profper alluding, (aith, that '' in the minde s oft he vngodlyd- q»idproUdhpcc. belt there bee foundmany commendable things, yet there direlleth no "jur eu.'mi'fl' VtriHebht all their vporkes are polluted andvncleans^hilefi therirtthey ^'"^ "A''"? f* arefubteSl to him veho did firji fall by apofiafie from God. Therefore CnlpfoZm [fe] A{.Bi[hops diltind:ion of qood worhes and meritorious werkef. is an H'''-^""9'^ *««« idle and vaineprclumpiion, there being no workes meritorious at ruma»emeje all, nor any workes good, but onely fuch as arc done in the faith of ^"'i"'"' '^"'^'t' . Chrift. The other circumftancc required by M. Perkjns in good dHm'^fXla'*' workes, is the end whcrto they arc referred. For Au/lm righrly faith, "°ff.(ff ^'i ^ that workes are not efleemedby theaElions^ but by the ends, fa that JMra'&mx'x tvheft a man dot h a thing wherein he feemeth not to ftnne, if he doe it not ^'"""' *"°^'*'*' far thatendforrvhichhePjoulddoeit, that which hee doth becommeth cTir.t.iy, thereby fmne. Now th? true and proper end of all good wcrkcs, ],J'i,''jf^:J',^'^' and which maketh them good, is theglorte of God, of which the w/'/^r/^/ 4w- Apofilc faith, i^ Whether ye eat or dnnke, orwhatfoeueryt doe, do.- a'l Z"^tmM to the glory sf God ; and of which /'rc/Pfrtclicch vs, that Ktlbeit a » wu r'l.a-.i eo. cffftftji4t[nlltlig^ Crc. dum e/i ipf.t fjut nMlahcrcnt, n ft dtnte D.o, fuklunTur ei (jui primm recejf.t kDeo. Lt pofl. Mulct .'.7udx!i!u nptriit-'itur cti^miiting.nip tm^iarwn, qnx ex na:ur,i qu!(i:m pro:ie:tn: j fcdqitoriatt ijbtoquinitunt^ifoHiidit, it~ ttferim:, vntu.ti i:fftni»po;Jim: . i i^/L*g.co>'t.liiitw.!i'j.4.C7p. ?. M--nciiun»i '!lfia]ufd (in:b:n h -j.t'yd-prvnAu tfj't -virtutcs. crc. Cui)i i: aqM/^ciC l:omo elitjuid vbi fcccait »on wiftur, j! ,;o:t piopter l.o:f.-cit, j np'tr q • od fattit deber,pL'ccareco>:ui»cit.'ir. k t.Cor.io.j-. * Pro(^,i.c,ip.X. Ltiini,liH'.tn ni».i Ins a^ar, mail sdlmi viuitjji nun in glorMtu Dn vimc, m,in ijS OfFreawfl mantiue ingoodhhAHhuy, yet he UuethfitlUn euiltltfe, if he Hue not totheglorteef God. But hecrcto belongcth the ks^owkdge of Codj «n ^mth. contr wh'ch \,^ a4tt were ihe leauenthM feafoneih the vo'cole Itfe of mm. geHt.Ub.i. c»i- And this knov^ledge of God mud bee by the roord of God, lo ihac "tumqJ^m^ " ^^^y ^^'^ ^''^°"f ^he wordoftTHth doe voorke orfpeakf anjr things Are i>iu. asthej thatfirittetog^oervithoHi feet. And ic muli brecdc the !ouc of \nd!7n%'ftrcpt. ^^^^ bccaufc " chafiitiff, and fo the like, are not vertues except they ^t^bfqMve'io be done orohfe-'nedfor the lone of God. And in the loue of God con- ZTuquiTJdt^^^^^^ tb^ ''""-f^'P of God, P mhom which mr[hip of the true God, tjutmtur, fimft. eue»th4t that feemeth to bevertne is finne, and therefore it offended l!lmiritgredi Aiifiin, and he retraced it as a thing miflc-fpoken^that hee had faid abffiefedibus. ^th^t the Phtl&fophers tktned with the light ofvertue, who frere not lib i^Neccafi^ul endi^edwtth trns^iette or religion towards God, A part of which pie- efibomnt&ex tie jc ig fn all our good workes, to haue a refpc6l vnto him, to doc 'frofxerdluatl. thcm foF hls fakc, thereby intending to feruc, and obey, and ro neminpium, pleafc him, ^ox\\2Lxy V 0,1*1 c is CHery aUton, andetievy fpeech that hath P Profper.de -vo^^ ^ , . t, r r- t ^ l r i ■ i r^ I cat. gem. Ub.x. notfomewhattnwara/jfor God^ and for the commandement of Ged; cflp.i.Sinecultuj^n^ ^ wbenvcrtues are referred to t hem fe lues, and de fired enely for ven Det e:tar4 , . , , r r^ i ^ r-r /■ ^ i i ; ^ ,, quodviftusvide-f^cfiijctHes, andnotjor jonje Other re fpect (to Godj they are fwelUng turefepeccamm a»d proud f and are not to he accountedforvcrtues ,b(it vices. And this lus Deo fine bee fclpedt CO GoQ mult acKnowIcdgc him to bcc thcgiuer of all our q^^Jt'ummn.Tic-^^^^^^ ^^^^ goodncffe, and that wee doc but feme him with his traSiM.u cap.j. owHc, fo i\\M^ although to clothc AnakedrKan, or any othrr fuch like ^SdphSlbos ^vorkc, By itfelfe be not a fmne, yet offuch a wor^f not toglorie in the Mon-veraptetate Lord, and not to referrc it to hivt as the Author of it, none hut a wicked ^•^irtttis luct ^'^^ willdenieittohea ftme. Now thefe conditions and circum-. fuW- (lances being required to make a workc^W, it m^heethata man mrS. 25- ^"'- '»^''^'*'i ^* '^oe aferuice^ may commit an offenfe^ifhe doenotfrfileame aniseiimni! tnwhat fort he fhould doe it. Which a man cannot iearne by Free ^ef^Un^Tmn "''^'j ^'^^ ^V ^'^^ ^^^ of Haturc, and therefore oftendcth cuen in eftintrhifecusa. thofc thjngs whctein hee feemeth outwardly to doe well. But M. fr'onSndaio ^ ^//^^/'tellirth vs, that infiich workcsCtfiAf jf A?r.^^^, becAufe albeit fj* id deci '^' '"^^ thought not ofGodin particular,, jet God being the fnall end itit.Dei, lib. 19. of all good, any good aElton of it felfe is direEled towards him, when the caf.i'i. Vmu*:ei cum ad (eip[.tirefcruntur.Hcc propter aUudtxpettmmr, etLtmtimcmflit^. ^fupifhjc funtl * Idem ceittr. Julian. Telag /ih.4. cap. j , J^o« quia per feipfim fa6lum quod efl optnre nudum peccatum eji, fed de tali epere non in Domi- mgloriartfolui impiits ne^at efjepeccatum. E t ante : Ciim ncn ad [Hum awhorern referuntttr dona Dei, hoc i^fo fiali his vtentei aJficiunCur iniufli. « ^rnob.in ?fal.i6. Fieri poterfC vt obfequendi voto offtrtdam, ft ijualfter debt^un smenofidifcatJt, wan OfFreerpiU, ly^ iH4n futteth no other contrarie end thereunto. Where \vc may iuflly wonder, f bat fj abfurd a fancic fhouid prcuaile with him, riiat God hould bcc glorified there where hcc is nrithcr thougfic of nor cnownCj and that adionsUiould be directed to God, where there s nothing to dircdchem ; that mens ailions are the dire dots of ihemfchics, and tiiat though a man haucno meaning to glonfic "^od, yet hcc doth glorificliim, fo long as hec propounds th not to mifcite a contraric end. Thcfeare M. Bi^iop dreamcs, and vpon he credit heercof wee muft bclccue, that the Gentiles knowing lonc but idcil godj, yet did gloiific God in thofe workcs wherein hf y did not put a contrary end •• nay,thc bruic creatures doc dirc6l heir woikcsof naturallcompalTion to thcgloric of God, for their lafurall compalfion is a fiifficicnt good fountaine to mike their ivorkes good, and they propound no end contratic fo the gloric of j( d. But S. Atijltn tcilerh vs, that " it is the intent that mnketh the , vorkegood/Mth,.t it isfnith that dtrelleththetntem\ and therefore Bmumlplm-^' fvhcre there is neither intent to glorifie God, nor faith todirc6t '"""'/««'• »»- 'he ir.tcntthcrcto, there cannot bcc any glorifyingof God, neither din?n. 'an the workc rhat is done bcc called a good vvcrke. M.BMod ^ ^<"'^f-/«'""». ncrefore doth amille lo loine with the Pelagians, ^ to bang in a imr^diuem bo. wde ofmen.nhtch wit hem thefatth of Chrifl, by the lave ofnaiure can ^^,'^J2/'7'' leafe God. Thti is tt, faith S-Aujltnto them, forrvhtcbihe Church foffn , fi,ief{Ae f Chrtfi mod highly doth deicfl yes4. I uill end rhis poinr wich the ""A^i^'"- erouitionof Urigen: ^ Euery good work/, laith he, tvhichmen feeme -onJc vot MMtmi 9 doe, e xcept they doe it in the worjJjip of God, in the acknowledgement Srl^ £^5'" ndconfefston of Codjt is but bootlcffe andvaine. I xvill boldly fay that ^ On^en. w lob. bey doe all in vawe,tf they doe tt not tnfanh : they doe all to no pur pofe, 'btmmZldST xcept theydoeitm the acliMoirledgementofof3eGod{heFatherandiaf""'t>it hommet he confession of his onelj begotten Sonne lefu^ChnJl, andbjtheenJ'^Zr^t'inn'' ghtennof^of the holy Ghofi. He that doth a uorke of right eoufneffe be. ^" "g'^fo"* «- f^ a /Granger from the true rror[ljip ofGod^andfrom true faith Jhe doth 'le1nn"f£'t"r* to nogeedjje doth it tn deftrutlion^it profiieth him not, tt hclpeth htm f'""f & H"^- ot tn the day ofnrath. Whereof the Ap.jile ts wttnep, faying, What- 2'/i^', JL'^rL . ris faciunt.fi ncn fidtftctriKt : fitif citufa agtin' n-C} i» agnirior.e imm Dei p.fliis ly- tn confejjicne fi'^ eirti Domini m/iri ttfu Clmjli,. • ilti4f!:na:mc Sp. Stii^lt hujccinnt. Omnnn iu\iitwn qiiifo u a vira Dn ij.t \jit.-: agni'ti n: ems prowler qitem hoc j'ecennt. ^ tiH» imacctpie: nurce lent !* ^.-.b eo quern nan ; tqu.fuut, quern non .tgmuit, cut non crcaidit, qucm ttvn t'J (»Hfe(pti,'ton ac~ tie: xb to remunei ai i»nt»t,m(l indicium,(j- ir^n,i,- co^Jemnjticntia (^.Sidft erur/t mini eji ilecl.iilt bomimbutj'tHt (*ific mbU eJi diUilMc Neqtu aiCfflum Va abfiu efdn lurmj. foft/er 1^0 O/Ft^ewfH, foeuer u not of faith Is finnt. Why fo f hecmfe he hath mt the faith Ani knovs>ledge of him for who fe fake hee ^ould doe it . For of whom [hd/l hee recetue rgvfard f Of him whom hee hath not fonght after, whom hee knowethmt^ rvhomheheleeHethnot, nor confejfeth ? He (ha/I recetne norervardofhtm, hnt itiigeotent ^ and wrath ^ and condemnatioK. For M nothing is delight fome to v: mihom light ^ [o is nothing deltghtjome or p/eajifig to God wtthoui the light of faith, Oncly this I will adde, that God to fuch a(5tions amongft the Gentiles gaue temporall rewards for temporall rerpe6l$ , not to fhew any approbation thereof in rcfpcdl of himfelfe, to whom ihe doers thereof had no refpefl, but only to entertaine the hking thereof, for the common good ofmankindc, and for the maintenance of ciuill order and fo- cictic, which God would vfe to fuch ends, and hi fuch fort as piea- fed him for the bencfitof his Church. And therefore cuenthcra who moft excelled in thcrenowmeand commcndadon of thcfc vcrtues, God fometimes gauc ouer temporally alfo to fuch ends as to the world fcemed vnworthie to their former life, to fhew that hcc flood not in any fort bound to them fcr the verlucs, if wcc fo call them, wherein they had notrefpedled him,in that he would ucicher be the defender of them in this world, nor the rcwatdcr of them in the worl d to come. 17. W. B iSHOP. 2 Obicilion. God hath commanaed all to hleeue andrepent: therefore they ham natnrall Free wtll^ by virtue whereof^ being helped hythefpiritofGodytheycanbelec'Ue, The force of the argument confix fieth in this, that Cod being a good Lord^ willnot command any man ti dee that whtch he is no way able to doe. Aofwcr. M. '?tiV\w%anfwereth in effect (^for his words bee ob- fcure ) that God commander h that which nee bee not able to per- forme , bat that irhich wee (hould doe. Then I hope hee will admit that hee will enable vs by his grace to doe it, or elfe how [hould wee doe tt ? God fur eh doth not bwdevs by commandement to any impof' fible thing : hee is no tyrant, but telleth vs, that his yoke is fwect, and joh.V.'' ^'^ burden cafie. And Saint lent) witneffeth , that his comman- dcments are not heauie. Heewasfarre off from thinkjngthat God woHld tie any man by Im to d^ that which hee was altogether vnMe ofFrifmlL I6l vn^hU toptr forme. This m the end M. Perkins btmfclfc ttpproNeth. R. Abbot, Where they obi c 61, that God commandeth all to bclccue and rtpent, andihcreforcchatallhaucFy^r jr/// to doethatwhich hce commandcth, M.Perktnt anfwcrcch , that the argument is not tf good, becaufe God by fuch Comman dements doth not Pjew.xvhM men itirt able to doejfut what theypjoald doe^t hough of themfe lues they can- notdoeitANhich anfwer vshy A7 is freet, And his burden eAJiey and his commandement s not ^rteftouSj t^^^^j^ p^f^^^ bcciuCc o(him' they receiue agifttvhereby the-t become notgrieuous '"fi'"^- cut'grs- imtothtm. And to thcfethc vfeofthc law and commandemcnts J'" y?'^!,i'ic. doth properly belonff, which God did not deliucr as cxpe6^inp that cepiift donum qu» 1 I r irii I / w 1 II 1 . » traui^ Hon tint . any man could tulhll thclame,'* but thereby to bring mcnto the \>^mb.mG».zt. knoM^lcdgc of (in»e, and of condemnation thereby due vntothem,^-^?)-^''^ "''*'* that by thismeanes he might moue them whom he would call, to torcneosfifct. apprehend that meanesof faluation which he had promifcd '^^^^-"^Jl^^.f,"*^' IfusChrift; who by hisfpirii giuenvntothem' delioht inthe Uvo of tmm'fuciiii fu- \God as touehmgthe inner man, but by the rebellion of the Uvt offmne^ ''/'^^SJ^*^'* pre holden backein this life from attaining to the pcrff 6^ rightc-/>»//i»r,rf'^<7«wr*- oufncflc of the law. To the left the law is a conuidion of f^nnc,J;^;^'"^;;'*'- nohelpcofrightcoufnc^c ; whijft God ^ by vnfearchable^ but r/ff/? c Rom.7.u. »jiri/^7«« caufe why ^ the iuft God fhoulddiminidi any thing of the rule of J^.'J^'^y;'^''" ghteoufncflc . though vnrighteous man had by finne difablcd'^j^'^'''^"^"'*' ijmfclfe of the performance thereof ; the rightecufnerfc of God 1!„^"V„i,^J," . fay, required, thatGod(houJdinrHfiehimfcIfe from Teeming ^^111^'"^"/^"' ipprooueany linneby the dcfc<5t of the commandcracnr, howfo- '^,^,Ji /" M cuer I6l OfFreevptH, cucr man could not iutlifichimfclfe from finneby the keeping of it. Butofihccnd of Gods giuing the law and the polTibilicy of keeping it, there will bee oecafion afterwards to cntrcatc more largcly,and therefore with this briefc anfwer I rcfcrrc that point to his due place. 1 8. W. B I s H o p. 5. Obic(5t. IfmankAfienoFreet»tlltopn*ieor*tottofime,thenn§^ m*nis to he pmifi^cdfor hlsfinnes^ hcMufe h&pmfth hjfattccejfuie^mt tohaftoided, Hea»fi>grfthyth4t the reafon is mt^ood; for though man cMinot but Rnn£^y*t is the fault in h*m[elfe,4»d therefore is to befunipjed. Againfi Tffhich, Ifajthat this anfrverfuppofeth that which is ffilfe^ to vf>tt, that <•- manmfiftne cannot ch life but fmne ; Fefhj/thehelpeofGod^ vphode- fireth all finntrs conuer^ofi, and thereunto afeordeth grace fujficient^ a Jinner m a moment may call for grace and repent hi/»^ andfo chufe whe^ therhewill(inneor no^ and confee^uentljhath Free rvillta(t»ne, or not loJinMe : And t hat example of a bankrupt is not tn pttrpofe ; for he can- notrvhenhe mil fatiffte his creditors^ who content not themfeltHtwith' his repentance, without repay of the$rm»nj!, as Goddotb* ...qoiq Now concerning the force of this argument, heare S aint Au guftinci. opwiony Deduab.aniraab.contr. Manich. inthefewords : Neither arewcchecretofearch obfcurc bookcj to Icarnc, that no man if worthie of difpraife op punifhmcnr, which doth not that which hec cannot doc t iot( faith hee) doe notfhephcards vponthc downcf fing thefc things ? Doe not Poets vpon the (hges a6l them ? Do not the vnlcarned in their alfeablies, and the learned in their libraries, acknowledge them f Doe not roafters in their fchooles^and Prelats in their pulpits ^ and finally all mankinde thorowout the whole world, conff ffe and teach this, to wit, that no man is to beepuni^edj becaufe hee did that which he could not chufe bnt doe ? Should hee not then (according toS Auguftines cenfure) bee htjfedout of all honefi compame ofmen^ thatdemeth t^is fo manifefi atruth ^ confejfed by. off Afankind ? Howgrojfe is this herefte, thatfo hoodeth a man, and hard' ntth htmythat be^he leayned^yet hee biuret h'Kot w deny roundly ^ that which is jo euident in reafon, that euen naturall fence doth teach it vnta ^epheards, God of his infinite mere te^dtltuervs from this fir ange light *fthg»ewGofpelL R, Ab* itfr^H. ctmr* OfFreevpiU, 1^1 R. Abbot. As touching ciuill and outward ad^ions, wcc doubt not, a< before is faid, but that God haih left a liberty and power to the will of nian^and therefore lufliy arc they punilhcd, who runnc wil- fully into enormous adlions from which it is in them to forbcare. And this addcth much to the iuft condemnation ofman,thatcucn in thofc things wherein he hath power to doe othcrwifc,yct hcca- riethhin^fcifcfrowarcilyand rcbcliiouriyagainft God. And yet of ^ ^. outward actions in fomc degree, Hterome rightly obfcrueth, * thut veU^i.'i.'Dta. « mm can forbeare to fin if he nill at a time or in fame place, or hfcme *""' f^' *^"^ Utcf bodily weakenes^or jo lon^^ as the mtndu intent and needy ^hwt he l,tprotempofe,ei9 foonc findcth,th3c wholy not'toy7«w it is nttpojfibU To fpeake then tlcCATl'!'^'' indefinitely otfinnc, it is true that man left in the power of his q^Mniiumin'Mt owncfytfrW/cannotchufcbutfinne. For how can hcc chufc but 'l^'^J^"^'^^^^^ finne,^^hoofhimfclfe is nothing but finnc? Yea we know, that the /«"« rfw/enf, corruption of finne liechas a punifliment vpon the whole nature tattSiilJm.t^' ofman,and therefore is faid to hauc befallen tbjtheiyft renenge ofr>iu!t^few»poj^ Gtd, z\)dis C3\lc6 '^ Pasna/kf vttioftas,appeKa//'vitiou/»efe, or (ub-b''S*Ji «<,,.£>. icftion to (innc. Nowif icbcasit werca piifonorpunKhmcnt, it r'^'^"/'- m is not in our choice to bee rid thereof, becaufc a man cannot rid j^^S^/!'. bimfelfcof a prifon orpunifhment, which he hath drawnc vppon ■* ^f^t.&grat. himfclfc. And therefore doth Saint y^«/?/» afhrme it to bee ^the Z^hb'a/on.L'.X ^Hm(hment of man by condemnation, to approoue fa/Pfood for truth.fo as -'^if'»'"'r'M* toerre agamji huwtll, andbeiftff vexed tvith the gnefe of the boud oflnunui,^&"4 thefiefh, jet not to bee able to temper htmfelfe fiom hbidinotu aUionsJ*'^* atqu: to //?- Thus hauewc heard him bctdVcto auouch * a neceffit'te of fmning, S*-'wr«» and this nfceflitic bee acknowlcdgeth in fome part to continue ^''^',* '•'"^"''J'' /Til • I n r f 11 • . /■ 1 ^ 1 /- ■ operibni tempi-r.t- ItiU in the Itateorgracc/ alleging therefore the words of the Pro- re-, nme[in:,w,.t phct Dauid : 6 DenecefsitatibM mtii educ me : DeliaerfKee from all "'^f'"' 'f """'. _,. All/- -III r/» ' , fed pxri* datit- mynecefstttes. And therefore vainly doth /1/.5//2» except, that by n^u. the 6elpe pfGoia finner may call for grace and repent him-,, and chufe l^''^'^' ^ ^^j. whether he tvtll/inf$eorno. For in men conucrted, it is tiuc tiiat they m^6«. cannot clmfc but finne ; in repentant men it is dill true that thev f.''v'?;5'A . MBUoichufc but (inne. For the forbearing of this or thata(5^ion &£rjt.c.66 opi* i^pih not put a man in cafe to chute to finne, but though hcc arife ^'^'J.'^^*; oneway, yetthc/w«'o/yf«»tfholdcthhim,flili vndcr a nccefluie to ffi^f''/'"'''"- lil)i another way^ vnt»ll ^ thu efftllnecefiittcbetal^eff awajt^ .ind full ^^i^f^^Jl^' 1-J-, A J 2 Ifbertte 1 64 of free mU. i idem.wiMH»./ikernegr4ftted, which fhall ' then he, when wee ptAll fee him free tt trxa.^i.S^l^i''eflar- hee [hoHtd yecldthat t9 1 l^toufKotrvhom, which m the Patriarkes^ and gumenfatio tjia. Prophet J, afd Apojiles he cannot prooHc} Repentance therefore and i°£^'£mf^»t, conuerfion Co altcreth the courfc ot'a mans life in the mainc, as that &c. &d.tncui- cucninthewayof righteoufncffcitrtilllcaueth in himancccfficie ttS^ 5p.t offinnc. Neither doch this conuerfidi ftand indifferent to all, as fhttis, & .>//»- hcc drcamcth, nor doth God afFoord to all fianers grace fufficicnc prcLTtr"" ''^' to bring them to repentance. He noieth for his purpofcthe place of PetOYithat GodvfoHld not haue anjf toperilh, cfr c.\yit\ethim takcthc «n j.p«t,}^. whole words, and they will cleere themfelues, ™ He u patient To- WARDS V s , not mlling that any (namely ofvs) fhottldperijh, bin that all{of vs)(hould come to repentance. He fpeaketh of Gods elc6t, of them whom hchathchofen to make vp the body of his Church, » joh.at were all thfoc motiucg and occafions whatfocucr they were ^ but cucn as a good Icflon to a dead man? And what, willhcc tcrmc ihofcmcanes ofconucrlion by the nzmcoi grace i Away, away with this Pelagian conccipt, and let vs acknowledge the truth as S. /lufltne doth ; r Communis eft ommhui natura, non gratia : Nature yj'f^'Jl'^' is common to all , bm grace is notfo. It is but ^ aglajfte trickfofmt , as ( wid^te ammen hee faith , to dcuife a grace that is common to all ; it makcth a faire ^'J^^']^"JJ';^. , {hew, but it is foonc crackr. nttatcfedfi-dn- Now Af. Perktnsy allcdging thatbecaufcit Jsbymansowne dc-^""^^"""*"' fault that hee cannot chufc but finne , therefore hee is notwithftan- ding iuftlic pvinifhed,bringcth for declaration thereof the example of 4 bankrupt ^nho 14 not therefore freed from his debts becaufe he is not dbletepaji them^ but the bils agatnji^bimftandin force ^ becaufe the debi comes through his owne default. But Af. Bifhof faith , that this example is not to thepurpofejftcaufe the bankrupt cannottXvhen he m//^ fittisfe his creditors ^ who content not themfeiues nitb his repentance^ without repay of their money ^ as Goddoth. How many milcsto Lon- don i a poke-full of plummes. VVhatisthistothcpurpofc , that God is content to remitte his debtors without fatisfa6tion ? for fo creditors alfo deale fometimcs with bankrupts when they hauc nought to pay : but is this any thing againft that which cJ^/.P^r- ktns faith, that by theexampjc ofa bankrupt, itappeareihthat a man may iuflly bee puniOicd for that which now hee cannot heipe, bccaufc by his ownc default hee is runne into it ? The creditor may remit all if he will, but otherwife the bils of debt are iuft lie liable a- gainrthim whoby default and negligence is come to that paffc that hee hath nothing to pay. And yet in hisexception there arc two abfurditics implied. For it is abfurd that hee faith thai God doth remitte and pardon Ins debtors without fatisfa6lion. There is no man reconciled to God , but by tendring a full and pcrfc61 f»- tisfaction, which becaufe hee hath not to do of his owne, therefore t>yfaithhccplcaderh tliepaimentot hisfurctie Icfus Chrift, * who , ,.pef.,.?4. Sare our fmne s in his b0dy vponthe tree ; xhai'm'^himvoeemightbaue -Ei^Li.;. redemption through his^ bloud, eaen the forgtuenefe tf our /tKnes. M 3 Now «^Aa.5.ji.&n. ^Q^y » allmenhanenotfmh , and thcKfore all men cannot pleadc iU:tg.deprxdefl. this fatisfadion for themfelues , and yet without this faith there is i^mmfit'^cag, norcpen-ance that can auaile to bring vs vntoGcd. And feeing i4.^'.ijstrxpaT.i' borh'')v«//^and ^ repentance zic the gifts of God ^ which * hec giuetli S'?«rSX to feme, and to other fome doth not giue , it is an other point of aDomim.iUis abfurditic to fubic6t the gift of God to the atbicrarie will and TolL'Snemoha. POWcr of man , as if man hauc in hi m to belceuc and repent whcn- dienttraudiimt, focucr himfclfc will. But againfl this M. Btjhop for conclufion 'd^^eftZ!^, bringcth a place o^Anfiine agamfi the Manichc cs, that " (hipheardt cHiemiraud/re: andpoets^ andleamed^And vnlearned^ andfchoolemAfters^andprelats^ mnficaudma ^'idMl mankind coftfeffe, that noman is worthy of dtfpratfe orpHni^m nonefldatim. ment, tvbtr.h dot h Not that which hee cannot doe. Nay, to heipe the MhnibJoJf '*' ^^^ fomewhat, J wjII addc more out of the next chapter to that •M.iMkb.ca.x I. which hee ciccth ; ' That a manjhould-hee holden guiltte for not dotng tilnifuppudo'Le ih^twhtchhee couldnot do^ it.isapointofiniqmtieandmadnelje to af" dignuseftquitd flrme. Now what a rtrange matter is this, that fiiepneards and flcerl^^mfaufi. poets,and all forts ofmcm, fhould fee rcafon toaffirme this, and ^o't^iji^cm- yet M.Bifhop perforce fliould be dtiuen to dcnicit?For!ctvsaska husfiaflom"& in V^^ in his Ovvnc profellioH anddodrinc what hee thinketh of chil- theatri>pet£, JfCH dying vnbaptlzed ? Hee will giue vs a pcremptorie anfu er, «iikf^/..i2.Pf:-t'i3tqueftionlc(Te they arc damned. But what haue poorc infants mircum :emn Jonc why thcv fhould bfe damncd , or how could they auoid that auenquam quia r l-li i i t-hh^^t i iii aa»/eaf?«o//i-'orwnicntncy are damned i Tell vs Az, Bijfjop , how could diey tcrenonpiuit chufe to bec Other thcH thcv bcc , and jfthcv cannot chufc but bee tisefi &irifa»ix. tn3t tncy are, how can n itand with your rule, that they Ihou'd bee diUf^;.,,. condemned for beeing that which they cannot chufe but bee .^Per- iimasrctmendt Torcc ticmuii talcc a fall in his ownctiJppc, neither can hee giuean '^tdi$r^t- anl"wer as touching this point, which doth not yeeid vs a full an. r.it^f/^df'Wia^/i-fwcragainfthimfclfe. But S. Atijiine hiinfe'fe. c'ccreth this point h^rumejiab!h. f^j. yg ^ ^{^^^ ^f^^^ ^^^ ^^^^ . ^j^^^ ^y ^^^ Bt(hoptom{\\Pic a difini- • lietraBM.i. tion cf finnc which hee had fet downe a^ainrt the Manichccs , that u!^i\j'i iltrw- ^ [^'^^^^ adefre of retaining or okaming thMivh/ch ipiftice forhiddeth^ tufymodo peccaiit andtvbence it isin amam Itherty to alfjiaine y tciletti his Reader in iamplZ^lic'a. ^^^ pcru^ng of that place in his Retraaions , that hee fpake there ti.Yiam qwndo ofthat * wbich isoneljftnney and is not alfo thepHnipiment of Jinne-. ^pimpeclZt ^°^ *'^ that Jinne which «• alfo the pttyJlhinem offmne^ hoxv Itttleisit that ijiianium cfi quod the mil coti doe a^amji concupifcence or Uii haHt»(T dominion oner it, [lib domimnte (upiditatc,fiifi forte fipin f/Z vt em (!!ixiliHfn,&t, i and OfFrfemll 167 4and therefore by rcafon hereof a man cannot do that that he Hiould doe,neichcr can hecbutdocrhatthnthefhouldnotdoe, which ycc ceafcth not to bcc a fmncand fubicjfl to punifhmcnt, bccaufc hcc haih purchafcd this condition to himfelfc, by the merit of a former finnc. For yidion had it in his power not to finnc, and yet did finnc by doing that wliich he ougiit not to doe, and was in hh power and liberticnottodo,and for this caufewasgiucnouerasa prifoner to finnc, that thcncefor'h he cculd not doc what he onght to doe, nor could chufe but doe what bee fhould not doc. Therefore the fame ^Ar/?/« asking, itthat rule that hchath fctdownc be tiue, how Un- fnid.Curp.truiu ! f4/jts become gmlticAnd are fo holden, anfwereth, that It is f>y ^fi»g%'^'^tHr%it ! horKeofhim)rhodid»ottbattbatrpasinhu povferto doe. ^n a word, '^ «"« ^^'^'w man is not woithy of punifhmcnt for not doing that which ^tc^jtTt7'^Jd*f^cne cannot doe, except hce hauedifablcdhimfclfcfor thedoingof it;/'«^"'f>'''"'^"« but if he haue difablcdhimfelte,as indeed he hath by the firft ^"^^^e /mlniLxu!iT^ thenisheiulUypunifhed, both for not doing that which hcc once could, but now cannot doe, and for doing that which hee once could, but now cannot chufc but doc. Which being a cafe very euidcnt, and lundric times dtliuered by S.Aptflin^ in reirading the like places againrt the Manichees, may wee not wonder at the ab- furd follic ot this man, who for concluflon braueth in his tcrmes,as if he had caricd the matter very deerc, when indeedc like an igno- rant cauillcr, he himfelfc vnderftandcth not what he faith ? Wc re- fpedl not what natural fcnfe doth teach to {hcpheards,but wc can- not butthinkehiman ill fliepheard ouenhcflockeof Chrift, who i taking vpoo him tobceaDo»SloiirofDiuinitie, is fo ignorant in a principle of religion, which by the word of God cucry fhepheard fhould know. God make him wife to fee his owne folly, and then hee will fubmit himfelfc in obedience to that truth which now in his ignorance feemeth vato him a Grange light of a nevv Gofpell. M 4 Chap. 1. 1 6 8 OfOrigtmUjinne after Bnptifmt^. •P»g.a* Chapter 2. OF ORIGINALL SINnE. 1. VV. Bishop. M. PERKINS FIRST CONCLVSION. T Hey fay, naturall corruption after Bapttfme is aboltthedy and f ofay rvee : hut let vsfecy hovo farre fjorth it n abolifhed. In Originall finne are three things, tirji^ the pHmfhment^ which ts the f,rfi and fe-^ co»d death : fecond, guilt tneffe, tvhtcb i& the binding vp eft he creature vntopuntpjment : third, the fault, or the ^jfendtag of God: vnder which 1 comprehend our gutlttneffe tn Ai^^ims firj^ off en fe, as alfo the corrup- tion of the hearty which is a naturall tndination andp/onenejfe to any thing that is euilly or agatnfi the law of God, For fir ft vce fay, that after 'Baptifme, in the regenerate the punt^ment of Ortgtnallfinne is taken Away : For there is no condemnation (/^///^ the Jpoftleyo chem chat liom.u. ^arcinChnftlefuSi - For the fecondfthat is guiltinejje,tve further eondefcendandfayjhat it ii alfo taken aw^ in them that are borne anexv For conftdermg there is no condemnation to them^ there is nothing to bind them topunifhrnent, 7et this caueat muft be remembred^ namely^ that the gmltineffe is re-^ . mooued from the perfonregenerate, but not fromthe finne tn the perfon But of this more heereafter. Thirdly, the guilt in Adams firji offenfe is pardoned, ^ud touching . the corruption of the heart, I aueuch two things. Fir fl, that the vent fofver andflrength, whereby it raigneth in man^ is tai^en away in the re^ generate^ Secondly^that this corruption is abolf(hed(as alfo the fault oj euery a^uall finne pafi)rofarre foori had it is the fault and finne ofthi man in whom tt is. Indeedit remainesttll death ^ andtt is [inne,conftde redtnit felfe,folong as itremaines ; but it is not imputed to the ptrfon And tn that refpeSi^ is as though it were not, it bei^ig pardoned. Hither to M.Perkins, Annotations vpon our Confcnts. Firfi, wee fay net ^ that the puniJhtKem of Orfginallpnneiiinit 'fti OfOrigwaUfinne after B^ptifmg. \ 5 p er any part oftt, but rather a dne corretJton^ arjd m it xrereAfieypHlfion of It : tba u bntapeccAdUio;hnt there Im k^th n (erpent tn that cmeat'^ that thigutlctuejfe ofOrigtnallfinne U rewouedfrom the person regene- rate, hut no tfrom ihefnne in the person. The Itke he faith afterward of the fault ^that tt ua ^nnefltlltn ttfelfe^rcmatntnff in the man t til deal h, bm tt IS not im^Htedto h$m,a4 bein^ pardoned Heere be qtitllets of very flrange do^rine : thefnne ii favdoncd, and yet tbeguiltinejje of it is not taken tiwaj. Doth not a pardon take tit^ay ftomthe fiptlt pardonedj all bond ofpumPjment due vnto it .unci confe<^tient ly algmliineffe bclongi>-,q to It ? f^bo can deiie thihat Phtlofophie, or reafon alloxveih vs to fay that the ojfsndor being pardoned for his offence^ the offence in it felfe remai- »et h guilder Of though the ojfenfe ffparated from the perfon, Tver e a fub- fiancefhbteCl to /aw, andcapable ofpuntfhment. Can Grigtnill finne in it felfe die the fir^ andfecond death fir be boundvpto them r yvhatfenf. leffe im^igtMations be thefe ? ^gaine,horv can the fault of 0> tginallfinne remain etn the man renewed by Gods grace, although not imputed ? Ca» there be two contraries in one vartofthefubie^ at once ? Can there be light and darkneQe tnthevnderfiandittg, vertueandvtcetntbemll af the fame infiant ? C.^n the foule be both truly conuertedto God, andas truly atigrtedfrom him At one time } Is Chrt^ now agreed 1 0 dwell rvtth Behalf and the holy Ghofi content to inhabit abodyjubtetl tofn^-ne / All tfhicbmufi be granted, contrary to both Scripture andnaturallfenfe, tf nf adma thefiult and deformttte offmne to rematne tn a man renew e Ay and endued iPtt h Gods grace : vnlejje wee would very abfurd/y imagine ^ that the fault and gutlt of (inne were not inherent and placed tn their f roper fubteBs , but were drawne thence, and penned vpin fame ether odde corner. Remember a I fofientle Readerjhat heere M.Perkins affirmeththe power J whereby the corruption of the heart ratgnethm man, is taken away in the regenerate : wbtch ts cltane contrarte vnto the firfl propor- tion ofhisfirfi reafon following^ Oi pjallbethereproohed. R. Abbot. ltwasnot/J//'?ri^/w intent heere tofetdovvnc any exacflorfor- vr\i\\^dQi\^iio\xoiOrtgtnaIlfmne^ but only fo to touch it, asniif;ht Tciuc I70 of Origmdlfinne after BaftiJmtJ. fctuc to Icadcliim to the point tbac wa« to bee difputed of. But oiit of chat which he faith it arifeth,chac original finne is a coirmon guilt of ihe fiift finne ofman, inferring as a iiirt punifhment, an vniucrfatl didortion and corruption of nuns nature, and euerlafiing dtftru- 6^ion bothofbodieandfoule. Conccrningthc matter ihercfoic he propoundcth three things in OrtginaU fiine to bee cohfidered, the {iQnCjthcgailtjandchepunirhment. Where y^/.5//^(7/> being like a rnan of giali?,afraid of being crackt where he is not touched,would forniorcairuranccgiuevs a note, and J warrant you it is a wife one. Wefij MOt^{i\i\\ ht^that the ^ftm[hmem ofOrlginallfinne is in it, or any ^art of tt, hut rather a due corre^ion, andoi it P^ere an cxpulfton oftt. Where bcc putteth meein niindeofa fpeech that I haue heard con- cerning an ouiiandifh MathcmatickeReadefjWhofe tongue hailing out-runnehis vvics, and making a difcourfc of hce knew not what, askcth his hearers at length, Imelliq^ttifiie f Doeyeevnderfland mee ? thcyanfweredhimj7V*«^e« ^/ vndcrftood net what he faidjOor can giuc vs any anfwer to make it good. Such learned men hauc we to doe with,which are fo decpe in their points, that they know not what they fay. Nowhfc that vtfercch fuch riddles himfclfc, might cafilie pardon another man in a fpeech though difialling to him, yetinitfelfcvery cafic to be vndcrrt ood. What a ftirredoth he make at t)iat that .^. Per- kj*ts faith, ihiiinthe regenerate the gMiUine^e is remooMd pom thi ferfon. OfOrfginaUjirifje after 'Baptifmc^, j y j ferfon^bhtMOffromtheliiineintheperfon? The meaning is plainc , thatiiic fifi:;e\i pardonej to the man regenerate, and thtrcrorccaii- iio[ make him gui!tie,l ut yet in ii (cifc and in it ov\ nc nature, it f on- tinncth fucii , as that fetting afide the pardon, it were )i:fficicni (iili tomakc l>imguiltieandto condcmnehim , as Ihali bee afterwards auouchcdou:ofy//j'y?/'', to ciicrlarting death. Tiic pardon acquit- ttththcman, but yet it cannot alter the nature of the finnc : it fct- tcthabarreag3in(itlicclFc(f^, but fake away the barrc, & thccaufc isasftrongasit wasbeforc. His idle and waf] words, indfichtin'y with a rt-iadow.I Ictpalfe; ifhc were not afenflcdemnn .that that M. Perktns faith in die pUine meaning thereof, would neuer fceme to him any fenflellc imagination. But he gocth further; Horvcanthe ptult of ^hig tnallfmne remaine in thtman re-fjevoed by Gods ay ace al. though not imputed I Why A^. B/fhop ? what hindcrctii I prayyou ? Can there betwo contraries J^'ith hr, /» onrpart ofthefubit^l at otjce? Andwhynot? What ? hath nothis Philofopiiic taught him, that coKtrattes are incompatible oncly in their extremes .? Did hce ncuci' read, that contraries when they ftriue to cxpcll one another, doe it jRo^, not in a moment.but by degrees 5 and though one be Wronger then ihe other , yet the ucakcr llili hath that latitude which the ftron- ^q gerhath not gained ? Thus are there in the regenerate man,* //$? lAXifeffhjne^ndthelawoftbemindf the former rebelltntr a^ainft the hitter ; b thefief}} andthefpinte the one contrarie to the other, asthc A- pofile fpeaketh, and that in one part of the Iuhic6l, aslliallappcare. «zcphan.i.i5. Can there be fight AMddark^e/fe tn the vndeyJ?andingSi\th he ? Why, did A/. BiP^op iieuer read oi'^ adarked.ijr f or will he reafon thereof^ iHtbe day, it cannot bee darke ; or if it be daikc it cannot be day ? And ifhec can fee that fight and datkncflc may niccte together in a aiy, c^inhc not (cc tint /fghtafiddarknejje may slfobee together in rfMa'.i^Kf,. the vndcrllaRding?One where our Sauiour ChriQ com:iu ndeth the ',*^^[ ** '^ light of hisDifcJpics ; '^ Blej]edare your ejeSy for they fee : another ■ where he condcmneth their daiknedc,*^ Haueye ete^andfeeMot? Hy light of vndcrdanding Peter faich , ^ Thou art Chrtflthefonnc of the Ituing God. B/effed an thou Simon, faith Chriit , forflePjaau b/ouJ ^.j^^.^ ycr.ii, haih not reuealedihis vnto thee , but nty Father uhtch is tnhciiuen. The fame Peter by and by alfo bewraicth darkne^e of vndciffan- ding.giuingChnft occafiontofay vntohim, 8 Get ihee bthirdmee Satan \ for thoHvnderjiandefl not the tht»gs that arc of God, bin :he things 172 ofOrlgm^Ufinne after BUftifmidta'.m (^letellcth vs, ihac 'wekpoxve but inpart.vpeeprophecie hut tn part, wee Dcvertlaje dice- i,/r-i,, .^Virr.i n batjHtscbn- fee throm^h agUjje d^rklj , ^^ ^^ ^"^ malicrsof Rhcmes tranllate it, ftu,, &c.Ex7^m- -^ ^ ^^yj\ r^^^ ^^ ^, ^,^ j},3j bee, but thatchere is ftiH fome darkr ti!atibtefio,crc. nejfe m the vnderltanciing which yet m part bath rcceiued Jignt i 1 i.Cor.is.j?.i2. j.jpg goeth further, Can there he venue and vice in the will at the fame inftant ? Yes M. Bi(hopJcrv/\Mt\oeucY iswaotingoFperfeftvcrtue, ^ ^u;^.epi(i 19. ^ exvittoe(i,[3i\th S. kpiftin\ it iibyreafonofvice. Solong therefore ^tZibl7,'^x^'' 2S there is not perfc«5l venue, there is vice remaining together with •bitioeft. vertue, T be inner wa-a wherein is the w>/'/// of man , in renetved as the ^^*I'&lSf!\ Apoftleih relleth Ksfrom day to day. S. Auftin verie right! y argueth bb 2. cti.'j.S^i Ae thereof,' that he that is reneived from dny to day, is not yet all renewed^ ulturjmdimto- and therfore»»p4r-^ he is oldfltll. Now from whatis he renewed but tw eyZrewoKrtm, ffomt^^cf , and whcrctois hectcncwed but tot/^rfwtf ? Ifthcnthc dr it quantum .... , , , , , nondiimeiireno. Will oec flot yct wholy rcHcwed to vertue , tbenvtceis yet in part uattuytn tanium rcmalncth with vertue in the will , from whence as yet in part the Teefi. w/Z/rcmaincth to be renewed. Therefore our will caricthvsftil con- m y^^'^^^ ^^'^•^ trarie waics ; *" One way veee mil becaufe we are in Chrtfl : another way -voimnm 'quia, fit- wevptllhecAufe We aveftiUtn the world. Therefore the Apoftlc calling Xiwwif^''^^^^^^""^^'^"^^'^'*^^-'' y^' ^^""^^ after tcllcih them, thatr^^'^rtf quiafimui adhue carnall andwalke ttke men. Therefore our ^auiour faith to his Difci- '■ ithn"w. P''^^ °"^ where , « Tee are cleane by the word that Ihauefpken vnt9 • Mai:rh.7. 1 1, you. Anothcr where he faith : * lou beeingeuill doknowe togiuegood \'^^u'-'^.Ewh'irid.S'ft^ tojmr children. Yet againe, Can the Joule hee truly csnuerted to ca.6^^Sicfi.'int/i God,(Mt[ihcyandastrulyauertedfromhimatenetime? No ^. Bi' &'tluqMmJili ^^'^P ' ^^'t y^^ '" ^^^ f<^"^^ conuertcd to God, remaineth a part of that ^ p« />r/o.,d>Wf»thatthcy were ctf«»{i):hdX is,thc kingdomeand power) of Jlnne and of death. But tJ[',l„rafi'u,"ti' if \\Lt mcanc ff*bie^ to /tnne, of the hatting of finne, then the Apoftle •'*'*''?''*'- tclleth him, ^ lamcirnall^foldvnderfinne^^ a captine vnto the law of ^,Ctjijed!!intx^- fmne that it tn my members^ fo that '^ if we fay we h^tte nofnne, we de- ■"'mt>iart. teine ourfelties^ andtherei^ no truth tnvs. So then fomc of his col- i ^:,g inioMH. ledions wccdcnie, notbcinoconfequcnts of our do6Jrine, but his f^^^^-^^-^r"- owne vainc and idle amplifications : the reft that arc d'n^&.to ihc ifttiftptccatum point wee affirmc, as I hauc declared, and whatfoeuer hiswi^rtKraZ/'/y^"^"*"* yirowfrconcciiicth thereof, the Scripture iul^ifieth, ihzx the fattlt and i>Kow.7.ii, deformitie of/inne (though not in former degree) rematneth m a J^J^j^^'j^ m*nrenewed andendued with Gods grace And what doth he thinkc of himfelfe I tnarucU ? is hcamanrcrewedand endued with Gods grace? What, and «»0rdcf*t}f whereby wee come/hort of that tiiat is commanded or required by the Law. To which purpofc the Apo- ftlc.Saint PauUcWcth vs, that i^/ the l^tv is the k^ovfledge offnne, iRom.j.i©, zx\6{\\3it'^ hehMdnotk^otvne fiHnebutf>j/the law. Forhowisiinnc .^^ knowncby the/^w, but by that wee vnderftand-it to bee finnc, u,.joh.j.i4. whatfocucr dechneth or fwaructh from the law ? cuen as the Apo- ' J"'.Pjr«Vv.j. ftic for example addeth, that^'"""»"'"''/'• which wcarc dircacd by the law ? Therefore faith Or/^ agree totrether^andthat right Iji Saint John did make them both one. So dlfcrep'Itlinpic- ' Grecrorie Bifliop of Rome calling tr^nfrrefnon ofthe Uxv by the crmum.-ratur. name of tmcjHitte, as tnc vulgar Latine tranlUtctn it, huh, that pe- afud s.,iian\ff,. trvixtftn ana iniqfiitY, that '\s, bctwixtfin and the traulnrcirion ofthe ^'"^ •'"•'»''" law, S. lohn dot hvpttnejfe that therein no difference. In like lort Bede „,:rri„ -umu- faith, that U/Ithatfrvarueth from the rule ofrighteoufnes is (in. Cafa- j;;f ;^^.p r/«< the brother of (jrtffrt7iV»<*/Vi/»^(r»ftelUth v$, that ^heetak,ethH.wtuK. N it 1 8 8 OfOrlglmUJinne after "Baptijmc^, it, t hat f me is aHajfay ofreftli^nce^andallrepHgtiancte againllvertue. Saint Anji'me faith, that " t here for e-a4imgis fyine, hecaufe it ought tiottobe done^andthat'^todoeanythtngamifejistofn^e. Againe hce jdeoejipeccxtttm dcfiiicth '^ finite to be euery thing thitt i^faidyOr do*!e or coueted agamjh ^^^noncUbet jf^g euerla(iir2gUxi> ofGod.^ctiThomo^ Jc^aina^ iVnh, thnUo finne 'y. Contra itiitan. ^> nothing e/je bmts traKfgrejfe the commattdememf of God, }n z tt/TSi^§lw'vvord,thecurfeofv3oclbeiongctluo nothing faue to finnc onely. P'ofeciopecctt. gut the cuifc of God beloogcth lo ciicry iwaruing from the law ]^aufif\Ln°cl[' of God : for * curfed ishee that canttyiueth not m all thtngs that are Uh. : 2.ca/'-i7. rvritten in the booke of the Law to doe them. Therefore eucry fvvar- JumX'diiiLt, iiingfromthelawc of God is properly and truely reckoned to be -vdconcupitum,^ finnc. Aiid futcly this IS a truth fo apparant andeuidentjasthat^we gsmltermni!''^' msy wonder,not St thc blindncfle, (for vndoubtedly they fee ic X Thorn. Jfjuh. well enough) but at the cxtreame peraerfeneflc and impudcncie incorp°mii'cfl ofthe Papifts, that fo ft iftdy ftand in the deniall thereof. Now eiiuipiccare qua ^]^ ^ thequcftion being whether concupifcence or Inft t*t it felfe be mi.-.data; fimic iH toc regenerate man, the reloiution is very re^die aind a Gal. j. 10. p|a!ne,and theanfwere maniicftly apparant,that bccaufccuerydi- uerting or fwaruing from the lawe is finne, therefore concupifl ccncemuftneccffarily be finne, inasmuch asit isa dechningfrom the lawe, faying: Thou [halt not lu/i.hnd therefore doth the Apo- ftlefay, thathe4?(?n?/«/?tobefinne,(as before was noted) bccaufc thelatvfaid, Thou {halt net lufi.HQQ callethand tcrmeth \% Jtnne. againe and againe, fo as that wee may wondcr,thai he fliould call. it /ime, fmne^ and yet his meaning fhould be^that it is noi/fnne.Fot h.Tertril.idi*crf, as TcrtuUian faith : b A cutpt^ kabttu futd dtuertit, par iter dr a va- tmogen, catttetpu recedtt: Lookefrom the being and nature whereof a thmg dg* partethjit departethalfo from the name and calUngthereof. If therc- , fore concuui fee nee had loft the nature of finnc, it fliould confc- quently alio bee depriued of the name. But now whereas M, Perkins alledged the words ofthe Apoftlc, that pyne dwellingiti him.,ntadehimto doethe emUvDhtchheehatethjM, Btjhop tcllcth vs, thatcontraryto Af. T^^r/^wxpurpofe and intention, ihofe wordi doeproue^that (innemufl bee there takentmproperly. And howfo I pray youf For{^ fai tb hc)if it m-i^e him to doe the euil which he hated, then could it not be finne properly; for fimc is not committed but bj the confent and liktng of the rvilL Where by AEqu:Uocation of termcsphcc meefdy abufcch his Header, Fot thQcemmittingof of Original fitine after B^pttfite. 189^ ^'^"^ ^^^f- y?»<«ff i J properly vnucrltco. I ot thccxtcniall a^5V anJ afcompiifli-^'^«-<^V'io. mcntthcicof.andiliis indccdcannot bcc without the co:i(enc A^\d\l,T'J'f*'lZ l.kmgorthc wiH. But/^r tioing euill of which (he A[H>fticrrpca-/*"""^'ty'"»- kcchjis no cxternall adt, but onely the internsJI '. motion oico>icu-i,\'l'l^'f^'.J''^Q fifcertce. For wc mayriotvndciftand the Apo(tIcjvvorcJ!» of ^(^/j?^ "'«'^- theeuillivh.ch hchated^ :^i\ddoina th.it trhtch heewpitldii9t,^a4 if hee jZ'^^^c]^" ' had f^td^hc rvohld h^Hi bcer,e ch.tjK and yet was An alulterer^ or xvonld ^""1'' "'tc-'tgi- haue beene mercifu!l^ardj/et rras cruelLor woiildhaue beene oodly, and ^nq'od vlh' yet tvMV»([od/y,or fuch /ikf. but his Meaning is. J'olo non comcuDiC- ^' ^""^'^'^'^^^^ Cfre, c^ concn^tjco : A/y wUl and de[ire iS to hauenqAUpo m<>-'^i:i'JtT,aZ:vtUt tianofconctipifcence.and yet I hzue fa, I, would npchauc lo mufh.'/"'"/^'""^'"'^'*^ asanycogicanun.any attention, any thougnt, any inchnation or i,//f«.//ew«,,,^ palTion of dcfire tending to cud], andycc 1 cannot prcuailc lo be '^'""^""'^'^ without them. Now chcrctbrcyW^. Bifhop did amillc to . brcede^'^/f^rt* /w-T- ambiguity by chaungingot'thc tcarrncs, and to put vpon the A-^'/^''•^''"'^'£/'*- po(ileafufpicionof Of her meaning then iaiccd he had. Butif his c^'/fr/«7J«/?* meaning bee as it fhould bee, that no euTTl can bcc done, which J"'; ^- , maytruely bee called a y7«wtf, without the confcnt and JikingJa'^/Srlto'"* of the will, hee faith vntrucly, and doth therein but walkcinthe^"^'/^''^*'^''^*^ fteppcs ofchc Pelagian Heretikes. Saint Jnftine anfwcred x.\\tm JdiT.fineVx^o. and we anrwerc him, that "^ // isftnne. when either there u not charity, ^''*'"f''i-^'t'"-'}of- II I I ■ I rr I ■ I III I ^ iit,h:ie non pojfit^ which oujThttohse^ortt ts lejje then It ought tabe^rvbec her ttmajf bee a- iOtdutbamm, Hojded by th' mll^or can»$t be auojded: thatis tofay,whcthcr it bee ^ ''''■■■''^*''"'*; virhthe will or 3gain(t the will And whereas hee had defined Free rtiirca.i$ finne agajnfl the Manichcesto bee ^ the dcfire ofretninmg or obtai- » ^''■^^■^-^'^tb.i. »/;;^ that which iuflice forbiddeth , and vcheuce tt is in mans liberty hD/vimreii. toforbeareyi\ if ihcrc were no finne but what the will by it owne l''^'*^" ^^''"';1^'* t I 1 ■ I n I » I I fc.ca itm vomt.u libertv doth approuc and yceld vnto,hcfhcwcth that he there de- uummaUme(ty fined, 6 that which u oyely finne. and Is not alfa the , untfhment offin;-ie 7' ""i'" '^/'■^^ So ha'.iing ahhriDCO ^thAt tnn9 fort tt is finne which i^s not voluntary ^ fi vMrtinun. he giuf th the fame rel^raint agiine, that ' that finne oneljmufi there ' j^ , "j vZ/.^^ hee vnderf!»rd, which is onely finne ^ find tS not alfo the pun pjment of »'/«< i*in*>ti4m fin ; as thereby iW guiing to vndeirtand, that that finne which is the „;J^p.ccTu'n'^' puniflimciu otfi v.^c,asisconcupi(cenccorluf}, is rightly and iru-'/i^ '•'""!■•• '*J^ \y focalled, though it hauc n.)t the confcnt and approbation of tht 'm'.'"'''''^'''^ will. It was '' vohntary onely by the wtU of him ^ by whom finne j^^*',''-^"'''**^ was firrt comniiiccd, andftoni himitisbccoir.e ortginall and here ^m vcLnt.mu',n^ qUM S ee what accord here is, ThcScripturcfaith,thatitis/««ragainft which we j?j/(>/. M.Bi- Jhop C^ith^thitrve doe avertnoHi deedm fighting a£A!»fJ^tt,!knd thcrfore itisnoyw. As for the place ofS.Aufiin^it helpeih him nothing at al. Reafonfomtimes manftilly bridleth andrejirameth concapifcenceyheing mofted orflirred : which when it doth^non lahimnr inpeccatftm, wee fall not into finne. Which is not a rule in the regenerate only /out alfo in the vnrcgencratc, fothat heathen Moralifts for theauoiding ofjtns^, »7ul.0jJie.Lu hiuc dcliuercd it for a precept : "^ Ratio prtfit, appetttut chtemperet : Let reafon rnle^ahd Ut Ittfi obey. Yea thatmorahfmc vj[\uhS,Aufim profcciitcth in the place alleged, comparing plcafurc or temptation to the tempting fcrpcnt,concupifccncc to £■«? the woman,and rea- Jo^.t^"i'/t.^ i" ^°" '^ Adam the man, was borrowed from the allegories of " Philo the lew, who would thereby fhew, thatconcupifcenccfhouldbcc kept in from being tempted, and though by temptation it were fc- duccd, yet that rcafon fbould fubduc it, that it might not runne to any further cuiil, asitdcfireihtodoe. Now whtn this is done by an vnrcgencratc man, and cither a lew or a heathen man bri- dle hispaffions and affctjiions, that thereby hcc fall not into finnc, wili OfOriginaUjjme after 'SAptiJme^. 1 9 1 ^N\\\M. -?/y^tfy> conclude hereof, that thofe paflions and affc«5lion$ which he bridleth arc nofinnc? Hcc will not deny the fame to be jff««ffinthcvnregeneratcman, and yet .J. j^H/ftnes wovds (o farrc- foorth do indiftcrcntly conecrnc both. He vndcrftandeth pnne mo- rally oncly, and as it is reputed with men, who account no finiie at ail, but either in the performance of the ad, or in the rcfolution andpurpofcofthe will.W?/4//«<»/ intofinne^ thatis, into any mo- rail oraduall finnc,into any outward linne,cuen in the like fort as Sj4mesim\\jth2Lt''tConcupifctnce when it hath concetuedy hw£eih'^^*'^-^''S' /j(»r/^y?«,whenyethcdi'Jnotrac.ane,but thatconcupifccnce alfoic fclfc 'Kjinne,is fhaU afterwards appcarc. 5. W. Bishop. Nowtothefecond. O wretched man that Jam who fhall deliucr mc from this body of death? Heretsnt ntentioa of(lnne: hot* this may be drawne to bh ^urpojeJhaUbe examined in his argument where he re- peateth it r fo that there ti not one poore circumjidnce of the text whtsh he eanfind^ toproue S.Pauleto take (in there preperiy, Now I will proui hj diners f hat he fpeakes efjinne improperly. Ftrfl by the former part oj the fame fentence. Itis not I that do it, all pnne is done and commit ted properly by theperfoninwhemt it is: but this was not done by S. ^^\^\:ergo, Secondly out of thofe words: I know there is not in mee, that is in roy fleili,any good: And after: I fee another law in my members, rcfirting the law of my mmd.Thtts/inne properly taken isfeatedin the foftle:bt4t that wasfeatedin theflefh^crgo it was nofinneproperlj. T'be third and laji is taken out of thefirfl words of the next Chapter. There is now therefore no condemnation to them that are in Chrill: Icfus, that walkc not according to the flcni,&c. IVhence I thus af- ftte:there IS no condemnation to them^ that h.iMc that fiane duelling in themytfthey wa/ke not according vnto thefiefhly desires of tt: therefore J^ itianofnneproperlj: For thcvvagcsoffinncis dcath/^^r />, eternalw damnation. R. Abbot. Nowtothef(cond^(a\ih he,and when hcc hath donc,faith nothing of it,but putteth it cucr to the handling of the argumcnt,and there- N 3 fore 192 of Origindljinne after 'Bdptijmt^, fore chcrc will wc alfo examine his cxamination.But though he fhlft off the onecircumftance with ignorance, and the other with fay- ing nothing,yet as if he had very cfFcflually done what he prcten- dcth, he infcrrcth, that not onefoore circtimjiance of the text could he foHftd toproue, that S,Pauletooke Jinne there properlj, ntany hee trill bringvsdmers, toprouethathe taketh (iyj improper I j,\Nc\ then,letvs {cewhatthefediucrsprcofesbc:wee doubt they arc like his an- fwcrs ; the one very bad and the other ftarkc naught. Firfl hee tvill troue it by the former part of the fentence^ It is not I that dee tt.AlJinne (faith \\t) is committed properly bj theperfon in whom it is: but this was not done by S,Paule, ergo. But wc deny his w/;7(7r propofition, and it isa'togethcrabfurdandffnflefle. How Qiould concupifccnce doc any thing in S./*rf»/if, whichisnot dotx^hy S.Panle} Can the acci- dent of the per Ton be an efficient caufe o\ any thing by it felfe with- out the pcrfoni'The accident is but the inftrumenc of the perfon, and what the accident doth, the perfon doth it by the accident. And tliercfore accordingly S. Pauls fa'th,' / am carnallfo/d vnder e^<'m 7-^4' '^h ^n»e: I do that Iwouldnot^thelawof my members leadeth mecaptiue to thiUvo offmneilinmy fe/h ferue the larr ofjinne : afToc ij« j euen / my felfe m my r^ind ferue the law ofGod^ and in myfle[h the law of jinne. This S.Aufiine well obfet ucd; b Euen tn that Dart that lufieth^ it is I wrk^poji.Ser.^, a'l{e:for here is not one I in the mind^and another tn theflf(h. Why doth .yitihac conaipif- he fay ^ I my [dfejjut becaufe it is I in the mind,and I in the ^efh, euen amTfi^fi/a parte one mat ofboth thefe.Thsrefors I my felfe^euen / my felfe in mind ferue tgofum. the lawofGodbutmmy{ie[hthe law of fmne. But yet though being Uusinmentect but OHC and the lamc pcrion^ he diuioctn him clfcas it were into s'T^r'^""' two partSjbcingin pare renewed , andin partyet continuing olde. ipfeegof^ta And hctcupon hc faith,// ^»cf//W n rtgor. therefore 1 uiy, ittsmt I that doett, and yet itis I in both. M. Bilfiep therefore 0 f Origin iUfinne after BAfttfme^, 1 95 therefore by hisfirrtcircumftancc proucth iuft nothing, andcucn as little proucth he by the fccond Which he takcth out of thofc words,'' I k»orvthittinme^ thatUjmmyfleP) dwelleth no good thing: and Afcevy I fee another iai» mmy members reftfltngtheUwofmymxnA. c OrigemUpm- Here oi'hc 2l^uc:h thm:St»fje properly taken is featedin the fohle, (;m '^'P^''i'^.''P-^- . I r ^T • inn ■ r i «i7i-i-i ^^iim.! ium craj- that ivas jeateU tn thejielb^ ergo $t wasnot [t»ne property . Which is the /i,rufenfiufi*fric fame asif a manvvouldarpus thus, that the true Pope hath his con- #<^'««-^'°?'*'^ rn ■ !.• O L L-n u --ILL- ^ corporu p.tjfi'.m- liitorie cnaire in Kome, but the Pope thac now is hath his c(t[\-huiftfubcUt,&c. fiftorie in the Laterance Church, therct'orc he that now is.is not the "'"/""/"■ '^^: true Pope . For what isfiepjis the ApoHIe fpeakcth thereof, but a trahit^mqiiopiu^ partofihcfoule; the foulc itfelfe, fofarrc as yet inpart it is not re -■'^'^''^^f^'^''''^*' generate? What, isyW^?;'^tf/>roabfurd, as to thinke concnpifcence i jdemtnvfau to be feared in the Jif/h^ as the flepj is diuided againR ihcfou.'e ? Nay, f "J'^'^.^rt^.a, the foftfek felfe hauingcafloffthe yoke of obedience to God, and Zn.DeiM.i^. bctraied it fcifeto the temptations of the diud for tiie gratifying ^i^'^S^yl" andpleafing of the flefli, is become a feruant to that thatfhould narur.im bomivn haue bene a fau.int vnto it, and being abi?acd to fcnfuaii, and^^^^^J^^P;:;;- carnall, and earthly defires, ijwholy called by the nameof^fr/^, to ^'"'<^^"*' '"'*<■'>"' whofefermccitdothaddia itfclfc. Thusfaith Orige» ,th;it' the ZlfvXX^,\ foule bstng become of m re grojje dtfpdfition , byycelding it felf to the /c'*«f«'- « ^"'"/^ ^a(fij)i(ofthe bodie, isfaidtobe become fle(h, and taketh the nameof^Ql^^^'^^'"*' thut on which it be(io)veth it mo(t deftre . An d agaip.e; ^ Animas no(lras ' i»h. j.5. tncarnaittmMs :lVe h.me turned OHY foales into fleP} . So faith //Ar/?/^^, ^^^ "f^T,'^^ that ^ the Scripture called ma.n himfelfe, that if , the nattire of man by conir.htiun. the nimeofflcfh latid called thofethevoorl^es of the. fiefhywhiehyet are 's)',!ia7a?»M'iter the proper vices ofihe mind, and belong not to that n-h. ch we properly "'*'""' ccncuptf- call the fle/h . And fo doth God himfolfe fay of man wholly, th3t\Cjpri:tH.»iPr«. i< heisflepj ^ndourSdu'iom inthe Gofpell oppofin'? flrfh to the fpt-'''i.-^"^'"''^'V'' \rT'L I I L r 1 Ij n ■ a n \ 1 ^ t t •'* .Chnjiioperibus. rit y' That vchich IS borne of thfpijj^ fffl^jh; and that thai ts borne of ^odciroaJ. thefpirtt, is fptrit^ piucth to vnderJbnd , that all eocth vnder the ««'■/?''''''"'"" cr nameotp/^, that is not l;o ne aga-nc and renewed by the fpirit.c.„nc»ic»Ktemie- Now therefore astouchino concupifcence^ Saint Att^ine tcllcrh vs ridia:ur,(Tn-^ t^zxVitts fau^ihat thefl (Jjltifleth, becaufe that the foH^eUfleth ac- pnc Llum arbi- cording to the ft (Jj.Yea Cvpn.in doubred m^t iohy J that he held tt '^^^'-Zfli'^fi^ to be vnproperlj faid, that t ht ftefi hjieth agatnji thefpirtt, btcauje tt is qu.c f-c-tm uxt- rrir,a-c Ex put'* friiu: Corpore'fic vtirur tinfmtjftcii" F xtxr m ilUo vet mcude in <^vtf format rrnnium turpttiuliHum i.-'xila,c^ftf>Ti:4 :» qiMUbtt qunrumcunrjut vo'»ptatnmfi>uuLt(hrj. Notcjl caro dtclxtrix p;(ej!i,nec inntnrr.x nia'itu .n:C ccgt'*tm fur* iMt,nt( lUlpomC agenli,Jed »J/ic$na tftjfiritn>,quia in ca (j-fef tr.m qnxcuifim affiU*ut\ii^trti, didtejiifie of finne that tt was a jinner. Now af^fmxiu finne isnot aperfon itfclfe, ihaiitfliould bee faidto bee a (inner. f/'-'«^/'*- ?•"/»• bur hereby is ngnincd what man is by inxspnne, namely or couch- depecc.tto,}u<»a- pifcence;audthntis,exceedingljf a/inner. Buca man cannot be 4yi«- *'"'*^'^'-"" '^''' »tfr, but by that that is properly finne : therefore concnpifcencc making a man phtchuworfi ofa/i, not one oft hem trne. Tothefirfii thatrvhtchrern^ineth in man after Baptifme, commonm ly called Concupifcence^op as neuera ftnne properly : but onelj the mate* ritill part of finne, the formall and prtncipall part of it, conffiing in' the depttuationofOriginalliftflice,anda voluntary auetfion from the I aw efGod.thevphichiscHredbjthe Grace ofGod,giuen to the baptiijed^ andfo that which wasprinctpall in Originall finne, doth not rematne in the regenerate: neither dotto that which remainethjmake the per fan to finne, {xvhichwds the fecond point, )vnle(}'e he willingly confent vmo tt, as hathbine.prouedheretofore:it allureth and inttfethhim to finne ^ but hath not power to conflrainehim to it.OfM. Perkins alfo himfelfe be* fore confeQed.Now to thethird, and intangleth him in the punifh- raenc of finne: how doth Originall fmne tntanale the regenerate in the .punijhmentofftnneifailthegfiiltiriejfeofitbee remoHtd from his per- ftn, as you taught be for e,in our Ctf«/llowcth. In the meanc time here we arc loobferuc,hovvil/. BJhop falfly charging M. Perkins with foure vnfruths in his argumcnt,in declaring the firftofthofc foure, doth hirnfclfe ddiuer foure vntruths indeed. CoMCi^pi/cence^fmhhe^rvM ncHer properly finne, hut onely the material! part offmne: the form all andpnncipallpartoftt coHf[itr.g in thedepr:uatio»ofOrigintilltufiice, ano a voluntary auerjion from thelan>ofCod.\^hcici{[l\ hee crrcth, in that he maketh Or/^w<«//wy?/« to confift onely in the integrjtic ofthe w7/,and the \orme of /inne to ftand ondy in the auerfton of ths mil from God, by the loflc of the fame Originall tufiice^ whereas Originalltuflice was in truth the integritie of all the ^arts of man, Dot lubietfling the /2f (5& to the mind^ and the mind 10 Gody but the v.hole man to God, the image vvhcrcof is fcr forth vnto vs in the cojnnun- ipS of OngmaUfinne after BafHfmtJi L^iA^i^y command'iment, » r/^tfw (halt hue the Lord thy God with allthf hearty mthallthj/mind, mthAllthyfoHleiVo'tth all thy thought and firength. The forme of finnc therefore is not onelyin the aucrfion of the will, but in the aucrfion ofany part, or power, or facultie of the foulc:if inanyofihefetherebeeadechning from the liw of h\Aiig^fl.de per-^^^y "isthc finncofman. l^owvhcc^^wk (^)fo long 04 there is an^ fea. inftit.Kat. matter ofconcu^ifcencetobeejet bridle d^ndreflrained-fiod cannot he glf/^ln^pifceH- ^''^^^^^f^ ^^^ f^ff^H^<>^^ov/ canGod hauc all the foule, fo long tix caruMisjiiod jis concupifccnce hath any p3rt?)thercfore in the remainder of any niuiTfioHomni- Hiattct OF concupilccnce,there is [mne-^ bccaule ^ ttis pnne vphen et- modoexmn ani' ther there ts not loue At allyor it is lejfethen itpJOHldbe, and it islefle riforf.EV''"' then it niouldbc,whenicisnotB'/>^^///Af (2>«/(P. Therefore doth S. A^^smpiic. AuftiH define finne to ht^^ominis tnordinatio atijue peruerjitoi : a cltumbomimsin-dtforderedandferftertedcoKdittonofman. Of man he faith, not only Zirt^lrtdeiT' °^^^^ ^illo^ man.and therefore if in man there bee any difordcred, fr.i[ia}itiorecon- or mjf-condicioncd affcdlion, tl^ fame is finnc. But concupi- • ditoreauerfio& f^encc which is a rebellion of the law thacis in the members, a- omctmurjio. gainlt the law of thc mind, is a dilorderin man, and therefore ncceflarily muft be holden to be truely finne. A fecond crrour he committcth,in that making concuftjcence onelythc material! part orfianCjheeappropriitcth it to the infenour, fenfuall and brutifli i parts and faculties of the nature of man^and to the refiftancc there- of aguinft the fuperiour and more CArcellcnt powers of thc willjand rcaron,an^ vnderftanJing,whercas C(?«f»pyi:i?»ctf truely vndcrftood imporcethchc.vniucrfall.habitcof auerfion from God, and a cor- ruption fpred oucr the whole man, and defiling him in all parts and powers both of body and foulc. And therefore doth thc Apoftlc CKpoundtheconuerfationinoraccordingtothe lufisor concH^tfcenCes eEphef.a.j. fiftheflfJh,io bc'^ the fu/filimg ofthemlloftheflefh and of the minde, which here could not doe, buc that concupifccnce fignifieth alfo thc prauitieandcormpcionofchc mind, eu^ as the ApolHeS. Peter alfomakechit thc fouaraincofall ^ the corruption that ratgneth in laPtt.j.4. thexvorld. And thus amongft the workt ofthefie[h^ which are the • fruits and effects, and as it were the (Ireamc of thatfountaine of corruption , are reckoned thofc things which hauc their proper ^ feate and bccinginrhe highcft parts of the foule, as are " idola- ^Uugiifi.de ciu.tr fe,her^je , witchcraft^ enme^ hatred, pride , which being z£ti of ^«A&.i4.«j>.2. fo»Cffpifcencea.ad fintull luft, yctarc fo farre ^ from being tied to *' • " the OfOriginnllJtnne after BAft'tfmi^. 199 thcinfcriour parts of ihcfoule, which haue their occupation pro- perly in the flclh, asthatfomeofihcm, and that fpccially ;>r/<^i of a tjl fikm vo'un. mA*is orvne emllwtU. So faith S. Bernard, ^ h is tn n.j ntUihat I con- I'"; f'\ }* '<"> tinuetsdoea^ainfrtbelarPofGod, for mtne ownewtUistbe lavf in my •■ Debomprfe. members rebelling agMnji the lavf ofGod^m'tne orrne xvtll ts found con- ""'/Jl'^„f^',^'* trarte to mjfelfe. Whereby it appcareth, that concupifcence which »»7ne. For \hc princtpall m&ttcr'\n"J^"^I^J^-^j ^^ Ortginalljtnne^ \mn» that for ihamc hce woul d write it to the world. For if there bee that ■»"/ '«;;"'; ^"* irih.ic: d.tjMnt c.:i-rti, Hr.ib hit im»ibr4! pttr^emm dizh'um qui t:ei habet curHtm. T J Rett.ifl.'ib.t cap.i ^. TecCA'unt r^dtctnuts tx .'^d.ttn ori* lin.iUt^r:tahert,idtj'(,eittsrt.itunr.pUcatos, ^ thkocpan.cobnoxias dttcneri. S Bcrn.itd.ina.lnent. Dent, ferm.i, i« ^itkm »m»cs^.BMCtheAportietellcth vs that concHptfcence doth make a «rf«Tl*r 't!»hnt m^n to dt>e efiilh and It ha: h beene fhe wed that \\\xtemllisfiny euen $.' fiiinc to hauc any of our tho!4ghts wand ring away from him , thefcf.^'J/*'^""""'" men would neucr thus aflimie and teach , hue that '' a fpirit ofj Rom.n.s. flumver batll clofcd their eyes, that they lee not that truth, againft which they hauercfolucd tobcnd tbcraftlues. The third pointof Af. Perkins argument is, th^xconcupi^ence tntangleih a man tntht fH'iipjmem 9 f finne. Th\& M. B'fhop faith, '\^ contiaric to that that he hadfayd before, that the guilt of Originall finne U taken arvaymthe regenerate . But here is no contrarietic jbccaufe in the continuall rebellion of conchpffience,-^ mans confcicncc fceth puniftimcnt, thereby due vnto him if God fliould require the fame, but yet by faith comfortcth himfclfe, that it is remitted vnto him for Chrifts fake . And that which M, Perkins fpake, he fpakc it out of the A- poftlcswordj, who of concupifcencc faith, that'' // tvr ought death ^Romj.ij. in him, that is, madehiminhimfelfcguiltieof death, and thus in- tangled him in the puniQimen:ofy/««tf, although inChrifthc faw' deliuerance, bccaufl- ^ there is no condemnation to them that are in a. Cap.3.iw Chrtfi lefas . Let M. Bt(htp therefore difchargc Ai. Perkins of the lie, and take the whetHone to himfclfe, as being farre morciuftly due vnto him. Thalaftpointof the argument is ^thitconcu^ifcence makeih aman miferable , taken out of the words bf the Apoftic, b }Vretchedm.in^iM miferable man that I am;who fjall deliuer me from f, ^^^ _ ^ the b idle of this death . or from this bodjof death ? Al. Bifhop here- to anfwereth, thic mtferj^ble is vndertiooj two mancr of waies, either by being indifgrace wid^ God, or by reafon of the danger oflinne, aiidchemifcriesot this vvotlj . Bur of the danger of finnc the Apoftle acquuccth him fclfc. '^ The Lord will deliuer me from t j.Tim.4.18; euery euif! rvork^ , and wtll ptefetjte me vnto his heauenly kjngdome, and "^ neither things prefent, Kor things to come fhall feparate vsfrom d Rom.S.j?,. the loueof God . As for the mifcncs of this world, they are here drawnciuiby head and fhouldcrs, there being here no (hew ot :iny matter 201 OfOriglmUflnne after BAftlfmz^. matter that fhould moouc the Apoftle thus to compUinc in rcfpcvhichdicth, asiftheApoftlchaddcfircdadiirolutlon and end of bcratur qmfmt life, becaufc "* euerj one that dteth U not thereby delmeredfrom thtbo- tveTat^&grat. ^7 of death. ^OT^'the dcath of the body feparateth{themcked)fromihe cup.s^'^'corfore body , when yet the vices and fins thereby gathereddo fiicke faji, to which ^Zt!fedco»tli. iftft ff*»i(b»*^nt remainethdtie. Thcrtorc when he praieth to be dcli- aa ex tiio vitu ucrcdfrom thts body of deathly D e vitijs cor for is dicitjoe meaneth it of t^aptZdc-' '^^ vittous afeBions of the body . ^By concupifcence if it that this our bo- k^Td ^ of death tsfo called. So Oecumemtu faith, that the Apoftle dcfircth iDl-Tctrp.fir.^s. tohc dcUwcrcd from"' the cortcuptfcenccswhich areintbebodie, and ^'' damn' ^^'^^ ^^' ^"^^^ '^^^'^ ^^' ^^'^ ^^ '^^^f" ^f?*^^^**^^^^^f^' * ft is a bodte of hocnoftru7-amor- death JzhU Origen, wherein (ittnedrvelleth which tJthecaufe of death. mcovfus. >^w^r(>/ 0 corpus mortis erat,&c. P Mtthod.apui EpiphanMr 64, NoncorjKii hoc mortem fed peccatum tnljabitam per concuptfctniamintorporedicit, &c. 1 Bermrd.tn Cant, ferm 56. Ipfi eft carnis concupiftenttti, &c. Hocfani v»o ifttemilo panels mn hnge teregrimbatHr a. Dtmint, Vnde & 0pti\7.td, dicthc bodily death before they comctotheyccreiofdifcretion:but thereisnotin them any other cauleofdeath,bcfidcsOriginallfinne,for they haue no a6tu- all riane,and death is the wages of finne,?/ If we fay we hatte no finne Me deceitie our feliier,i\\At they may i'^yy^efay we haHenofnne^nndwcdoe not theretndtceitie our felftr.f:and though we die, yetitisnot byrcafonoffi?> that we dif,but either by the difte- perature of our bodies, or exrcsnill vivvlcnceButif-^.P^ri^'w-f had fayd as he might haue fay d. Infants after Bapcifmc are fubic6l to di- ftcmperatureof body, and exccrnall vioicncc,and death following, h^ugufl.tn Tf. all which are the proper cffedsof finne 5 rfiefcfore they are not fItimurTn'ifia. VN'ithGUt (\nnQ^\n what a wofiili calf had M. Btfhophcne, and how -vitamfiexiUA h^tj l^c bcncput ro bis rj-iifts to deuifc an anfwtrf Surely S. Auflin mui prme peaato imh,x.\iji\.^we ffiffer Mdt any thing in thus life, bat by reafon of that cOnitn.inheiiit^ga.thwhich'KedefertiedbjxhefirfiilnKe. And fo faith Origen veric mtmbut vel mors i\o[\i\y^l\\'it'^ death andallot her frailite tn thefiefh was brought vpon I'tireiiqtMomw, t// bj the conditton orfi..te offin. Therforcdiftemperarure, & weak- txfeccatico>iditi- nefle,a id htknes,and lurrcringor externall violence,are nolellearr m^fupQrditiia oumcnts oifinne.thcn death itfclfe.and how ihcndoth hee make ^ thcfc OfOriginaUjime after 'Baptijmc^, lo^ thcfe the caufcs ot death vvichouc hnn^4.'j/;« brjngeth in Methodtnt difputing againf^ Proclns the Origenift,f iiat ^ Codas the true Phyfmon hath 'appointed death for [^^^fjll^jffj' a medictn.ible purgation for the vtter rooting out and putting away of auxi'iafu n^tdt- fnne^that xve may be madefaultlejfe and innocent; and that as a goodly ^^'^'^J/'^'^ffi^'^^ golden image fightlj and feemely in all parts ^tf it be broken and defaced jho & vere me- bjany meaies^mafl be new cafl a*id framed againe for the taking atvay J^^'io^empZa'- oftbe blemi(het anddifq^races ofit^euenfo man, the ima^re of God^being ti acdtUdumetn maimed and dtfgraccd by (inne, for the put ting away ofthofe di [graces, 'J-c^ylfta, ^-u. and the repairing ofhi^ rutnes and decay es.mujl by death be dijjolned tn cimentxrupur- to theearth.thenceto beratfed vpaaain pcrfi^ and without default. %/,'"". "^/„.'f,,a l^ow ]f M.Bi/hop will notlcarne ic ofvs, yet Icthim learne it of 1"" f^ "f"^"".'"- thefc ancient Fathers, that fin is the caufe of death, twcn in them to lKxt,'>iu:»,Jmuf whom notwithflandineitisfor<:iucTi & pardoned for Chrif^sfake, v'C.v;deturve. But nc po^^nrurtncr, True ft IS that if our prjr parents had not (inned, opifx/btiMm no munpjould haue died, but both haue bene lona prejerued in Paradtje p"'<-i'r.yncxx.;<^w/)ctf4« ofA(5^uaIlfinne,thatthe wagcsoflinneis death ^ much moie is it Zl^ll'im^ur' true ofOriginallflnne, which is the filthy and corrupt fountaine m, whence ail a«5tu3ll fins do fpring. And that we may know that At. 5//Z>(?/> himfelfe is ofno other mind, he himfflfc hath vCcd it in the fed^iou next faue one before thiSjConceining6'r/j/W/j^«/;(f,3rouing that if Originall finne were properly finnc in the regcncrate,ihen it fliouldcaufe death vnto them, bccaufc/^^ iv^^w of ^mie u: death. Whereby it appearcth,that he fpcakeihbucar all aduenrure,and to ferue the present curn,withGUtanyconkience or regard ot t'lat he fpt^akcth, whether it betrucorfalfe. He hath bene brought vp in ^f//<«r»?/«^j- fchoole, and ofhim hath learned to care no further, bunoncly to fay fomcvvhat, though it be ftarke naught. Now tor concluficn ofthis point he faith, Z^r mt this beforgoitevi, that kee him[eifeacl^no)vledgedinourCo)jfe}jt,thatthepHni(hmentofOrt(rtHal flnne is taken axvay m Bapifmefrom the regenerate. Tiue, & what then? Ho^then, laith bcdothhefay here.ihat he doth die the d:rath far ii i But he faith nor fo, neither is it fo : fcr if hcefliculd die tfic death for Original! finne, hee fiiould d.e alfo the etcrnall death, which nocwkhftanding by Chrift is taken away. Tiiis deasb OfOriginallfinrje after 'Baptifmz^\ 1 07 death therefore to the rcncneiatc is not in the nature ofapuniOi- mentjbiitruthcr ofamedicinr, as hath bccnc already faid, for ihc vttcr di(]o!ning,and mortifying , and dcftroying of the bodicof (innCjihat onely rightcoufncne may line in them. Itfollowcth as a w;5gesotfinne according to the words of the Apoftlcin it ownc nature due vnto it,though now payed for other end then it was be- fore. 6. W. B I s H o p. M. Perkins thirdreafon: That which luf^cth 3p;ainf! the fpiritj 6c by III fling reinprc th,3nd in tempting inufcth and dravvcth the hart to finnCjis tor nature (mric it fclfc:but concupifccncc in the regene- rate is fuch: £"r^<7. hn{vj .The firji propoftiotj is not true: for not eucrj thtn^ that inti- feth vs tofmne u ftnne:or elfe the Apple that allfiredEiic to fmnc^ had bene by nature fff^ne: and euery thing in this xvorldtne xvay or another tempteth vs to ^mnc according vulo ibatofS.lohu : All that is in the „ . woild, is iheConcupilccnccot tlic flcfli , and the Concupifccncc oftheeyeSjand Pridcoflifc; So that it is very grojje to fajf that euery thi»iT vehich allureth to fmne^is (inne it {e/fe^ andas wide is it from all Tnorallxvifedowe to afjifme,that the firft mctions of our paffiont bee fmt. For etten the very heathen Philofophers could diginguipj betireenefud- denpsjjlons ofthemtndandvices-.teaching th.ttpafions may be bridled by the vnderfiandtng andbrot^ght bj due orderirg of them into the ring cfreafon,andfe made vertues rather then vices. And that fame text »W^M Pcikms bringeib topnfiv^ide the fe temptations to bee finne s, proues the quite contrary .God iL{\nnQt\^v\oix\2v\\ but cucry man is tempted V hen he is drawne away by his ownc concupiIccnce,ana is allured: after when concupifccncc hath conctiucd, it bringctli forth finne: Marke the ixords well. Firfl ,Cotjcupifcence tempteth, and allureth by fome ewllmotion^but that is nofinne, vntillafter^^.rd it do conceiHC^ that ts^ebtaiKc fame likjna of our vrtlljn frit^iKg eare to it^ a':d not expelltr.git fo fpeeJ.ily aiwe ought to do thefuggejlion of fuch en tf- nemte.thewhichthat mojl dccpe DoUor S.l^^^^^^iiiuc ffteth cm verj ^ ^ profoundly in thcfevpords: When the ApolUc S. lames faiih, cucry f,Vj' "^'" man isteaipred, being drawne away and allured by his Concupi- Ifcnce, and afccivvGrd Concupifccncc when it hath concciucd, bringcth forth fin;Tiuly in tlif[cvvords,thc thing brought foith iJ O 3 dilhngui- 2 0 8 ofOrigmUfinne dfter Baptijmc^. diftingiiifliedjfrom that which bringcth itf'orth.Thedam iscon- cupitcence, thefoleis finne. But concupifcencc doth not bring (in forchjvnleire it concciue,(/(j ihefi tt is KOt flr.ne ofufelfe) and it con- cciueth nor,vnIeircitdraw vs,thatis,vn!efl"citobraiiie the confent ofour \^'i\\^io covnm\t ^\\i\\.The like exp'ifition of the fame place, and the dijferenee hetxveene thepleafme temptiyig^that runneth before ^ and the fin which followeth after )Vnk{\e wc refiii manfully, w-^j'^^ feene in S.Cyril,/5 that by the iadgement of the mofl /earned ancient faiherSy that text cfS. lames eitedhy M. Pcrkins.ro proue concupifcenceto be ftHy difproftethtt verjfpHndly.to that reafon ofhts^ Such as the Fruit is fuch IS the Tree; / anfwere^that not concupifcence^bHt the will of man is the Tree:tvhtch hrin^eth forth, either good or bad fruit, according vnte the difpojition ofiticoncupifcence ii onely an tntifer vnto bad. R. Abbot. Agahid M. Perkins firft propofition, AI.Bifho^ dith^th^itngtet^e- rythingthat enticethvs to Jinne is /tnne .Bui therein he faith vncriiely, ii'hemeaneashertiould do, of that that is in man himfelfe. It is generally true tiiat there is noihiiigthat tcmpte^h oi- enticeth to (iancj which hath tJotitfelfe the nature of (inne, either as the fub- ledlorasthcthingitfelfejfothat concupifcence bccaufc it cannot bs faid to be thefiibic6t,muft necedaiily be hoidcn to be Cm it felfe. His exceptions to the contrary are very fond. Firft, that then the apple that allured Eue to fime had bene by nature fmnex an d fecondiy, thzt euery thing in the world one vpay or another tempteth v-t to Jinne. But wherehathhecLicr rcad,that^^.^.cap.ii.^ finne, according to which the vnrcgcneratc arc called ' the children »o»mundur» ,/»» ofthisxvorld^ and as our iJauiour Chnft faith, that^^^tf world hated '^'fi'^"!'*'"^^ himbecnufehe te}ttjiedoftt,thattheworkes therofareeuill. And doth qiM m eo fubfutu he not then, thinke you, brinj^ V5 a good proofe, th at euery thinff in f'^'f^''/'''^-'-'- theworldtewptethvstoftntje ?The meaning or^. /o«« is plainc, that W/cmr.Om-w, in the world, that is to fiyjn the men of this woild,thcreisnothing h<';,V*^!'"*^ but conuption, the lufloftheflcfh, thelufiofthecics, the pride ot "Luk.i^r.s. life, and the following of all thefc, all which are not ot the Father, ■'°'-7-7' nor hauw accord with him, but are of men themfelucs, & perifh to- gether vviih themfelucs. What is this then but profanely and lewdly toabnfc the word ofGod,thus to cite it toproouc a fal(liood,vvhcn it hath not fo much as any iliewofthat for which it is cited ? Ific he groffetofay, thatwhatfoencrallurcthtofinncisfinne, lam lure ic is much more grofl'e, that he hath faidfor the difproouing ot it. He addcth further, that it is m wide from all m^iS"ap\"u- *y ^^'fify acc fife dor bUmedin the very mot tons of it, whereifj :t isreffied ja perf: if (.Mt^ h- that it cxcceds not, ajT d t h 3t " howfoeuer m this conptl of the jptrite a • t^m'ffS^ri! ^^^''''fi fb^pl^ rxeget the better, yet if in the verie motions cr affcUions motibtisatciifatitr efotir ihoHi^ht , vpe fay that we hatte nofinne^ voe deceiue our fe lues, and V^'fJiiiZ^^" ^^ thereis notruthinvs. But faithhe, heathsn Philofophers coulddtftin- "fhid.'i.'i.c.ip.^. gfitpj betweeve /nddenfajfionsof the mindand vices, Buc what is it to i^ctfl'^tiufu- vswhdt heathen Philolophcrs haucdiftinguillied/eeing Chriftian foiorisfiMtj, Phi'ofophers haue tauqht vs to call thefe pr.flions," vices, tmvard vi- .Cr-c.tiimeit'fii ccr- . . r li" ■ • rr n. r t n ^r tenoftr.ccogitm- ces,vtifo»]KefJe,vittous ajfeCttons,vitioMs co»cup?lce»ces,ov iulti^. Let i>mjmoubiti& j\^ BSop Follow Philo(ophers if he plcafc ; as ti r V5 we fay in thefe nwo<7/«.«/)^ffrr»///4»iaid, that p Phihfophte ts but a ti^no>tliabemtis,j~^^f.lgj^fgyp^g(g^„f(jg^j^^ll^y.g^yj^(ljJp,,i;[,Q„^ ^ [},3j PliJiofuphcrS «secalter are^ the Patfiarchesof heretikes. Wcctakeoui inOiudionsoutof ^v^ettu'dtpr^. •^'^''*^<>'^-^ porch, notoiit of the porch oiZeno; from HierufalemjPot fcriiic.adt4h.eret. from Athf ns J and there wc haiie learned to caU ity5«»^ whaifoeucr mtip^di- f^varucth from thclaw of God, as bcfoi chath bcene declared. Yea ui».i Ka-urx cjf but M, B!iy riKwech, tb.atin thcroorc, andfioni the beginning ic is fintif. Thus the faithriill e!fcv\ here arc vvcirned to rake hccde not to be hardened ^ bjihe fedniing {^ordtceiifptlneffe) ■Hcb.z.ij. of [mnt y'^\\zxQ. itisaKoplaine, that It icy^r-f-'Ahich ("educi. til and en- tice rh,cucn:3s the Apoltle faith, "^Sinne (educed mee( or deceiued mee\ "P-o"'-"^-"-- ar.dihereUyftie wee^ o'liingto vndeirtand, that the fe/Waa«^j- and u*'ianLb.6.ctt.i, tf;7A/f/«e'J,iharis, the fi; ft morions ofconcupifcence, are fo farre /?«, ^''"fi^o '">'", ,0' ' ^ . ... • ' ' J 1 -vtrou partus a as that tliereby hee tclt himfclfc in liimrdfe to bee but a dead man. fanertc d,(}t>,g^ui^ Thus the Aport^cS, /'Wrhwarccth all that M.Bifhop gathereth ;,'';;,|^",J^';^;,^J one of S Idmes his words -.huzycr the mo/i deepe Dollar S. Anfitne p-^^'^^fcuatum. ftfccih oHt the mAtter very profoundly For liuu. A nd indcedc he fiheth ut'ZptllZ^ well, but leaucth (o M.BtP')op nothing but thcvety branne. y Inconcc^.nr -.-Ktc theje xvords({:i\',\\ hee) the birth isdrfitngmfhed from that that brtngeih '^xTrr!ho7!jiJd foorth. That th.it bringeth foorth ti cgyicupifcene^ the btrihis ftnne. '"■^''">i perpecra. But co>icup$fcence bringeth not fourth except it concetut. So ihen^(\iit\\ Wf«/»/.Xnp, Af. B/l7jop)tt bs not finneoftt jelfe.. But we deny his argumcnt:for a mother bringeth foorth a vyon)an, andyccnieehciTeife i> a woman alio. A woman bringeth not fborfh a woman, except fhe firft con- ceiuCj a.'id yecrhcc is a woman before dice doeconcciuc, andfijinc bringeth notfoortbfinne, except bycoufent itbrft conceiue , ar,d yet itisfinne before conception. Thcreis nothing in Saint Aufitns vvords,but(tindcth\vcllwith that that before hath bccne lhjd,tliat €oncut^tfcertce\K^m^ the habitcof/;««tf,doth by gaining the confait ofthc udl, bring foorth 3<5^.usll and cutword firincs, which is ihc true meaning of that place o^Iarues. And that he did not othervvife conceiue, but ihucoiicuptfrence ]s/inne^ Ai. Btpjop might very well Jisuf leene,if he had but read the words a few lines before the place which he citcth, where fpc?kino cf the fame l)ccing m vs. hee faith, ,»,,», . * // (hou/d not onely be in vs, but alto greatly hurt vs, but that ihe guilt tumiitft:,xf thereof u acquitted by theforq^iucnejj'e ofourfnnes. Wee would haue X'^yif-iT/y'!^"' AI. Bt(hop\t\\ vs, how itfliould hurt vsif itbecnotlliinc ; for wee itisqumo^ob. fuppofc that there is nothing in man that crn hui t him , but oncly {J^^jJ'J-'^^^J^^ fiiinc,cfpccially the hurt becingfuch. as S, Aufiine anon after fpca- f'M:uit.]:t. kcth 2 1 2 OfOrigmllfinne afur BApiifmi^, ■ J. ^ . keth of, * to draw r/, onelie by beeing in vs^ to euerUfitttg death. THc ■tjl,pertrahmt placc of Cyril adumeth the being of luft ^ ante peccafjdta^um.before p^vitmAm mor- fhg a^uall fi'i»f, but hath ncrhingfor Ai. Bi/hopsturncto prooue, ^CynUifi yo.in. that Iftfl alfo is not ftnns, nav itiche words immediatly following, i:b.^.cap.^i. Ter- f^g proucth [hat it is hnnc, affiniiine, chat *^ by circHmctfioft weefhofild uem cujiidtta': an- I n ii t t i/r ii c i nCi i tepecczndf aSium Uame^thAt welbaiLnot be eleane, vnujjt we cajt out of our nttndallfilihy Ti^f If*!^" Foriflufticfelfedomakevsvnclcane.it nniftnecdfsbcfinnc, tcperdifcxma Dccaufc nothing can make a man vncleane but onelie (inne. That mmioslnl'xm ^^^^^ ^' ^^^^''"'^ addcch CO ilhiftratc this ^omi^SHch as the fruit is^ fiitummfi omne pichisthetree, was verie fitly fpokcn to the matter in hand. For the SSJ'^r/S fruitehath ic whole nature aud qaalitic from the tree, neither is ic timiu. any thing, but what itis by that thatit receiuech from thence, if therefore theaf^ions ofconcupifcence h<^Cmnc ,concupffcence which IS the trecjinul^needcs hauethcnsturearid condition cffinnc But Af. Biihop^nCwcYcth, ihii not cone fspifcencd but the mil of man i} the tree. Which is ailonc asifhecfhouldhauefaid, that not the mil of m^n, but the will of man is the tree. For it hath bccne before fhe wed, that concupifcence is nothing elic, but the corrupted ml/ of m4n , which doth not bring foorth etther eutll and" '• * ^■'' dcedsofthofclufts,f^tp. ttfmc^is nomannCY ofjinng^ in S. AiiguftiHc s itid^ment: but may he cal- led euil^ hecnnfcit prouoi^eih vs to smll. To this place of K. Augu^inc, Ivrtttltoyne thai ether/ikf,vchich M. Perkins qtioteth in hi^ fourth rea ^i jfl.) i-in fomrpber^he fuith, thac linnc dvvclleth aiwaics in our members. 'ThefarMe anfwerferHethy that fn there is taken iwproperly.as appea* yeth h that he featesit inoHrmen.bers'.foraccordif^g vkso S. Aupu- Hine and all the learned, the [uhieH of fin beinj^properiy taken is not in anjp:>.rtofthehodj, btittn thexvill and foule^and in the fame pa(J4q^e hefig.^iifteihpUtnely, that in bapttfme all ftnnes and intcjtittie is fallen awaifjandthat thtrcisleft tn the regenerate, onely anin^rmityor weakc T.effe. R . Abbot. Thar p'ace ofJfiflfndoth very pregnanr'y fhcw,that concttpif- cence is tiuvly^inl properly called //';»*j^^J/%tlTiaDtum reuen^^cd^andthe caufe offm^e whilefl any euill is committed by the er- »'» <.rt?;7r.And whereas Auftm when hce dcmeth con- 'fZ-.u'ifiqJa ctjpifccnce tobee/inne, filth it is therefore c.illed/«;;f,becaiu'e it is '^''^^,'''1^*'^'^'^^^^ ihepHni(hmentcfftnne^a»d theeanfeoffinne, hccre he affirmech thdtc.iufitwtdfft it is not only ihepMnt(hment off.nne^andthe caufe offtnne, buc other- '/^jff^J/^'^f^'*! VAJfc a!foj/7«^r,3nd therefore properly and uv.clyfnne. B\it AI. Bt-c^ nijctmn. (/}aptcU(zh\Sf i\\:!iX. Afiflin tnmorethen trvent/e v/acesofhisvoorke^ teachttbexprefly^tkatconcuptfccnceisnofinne, tffinnebe taken pro- perly. 2 1 4 oforfginalljtme after Ba^Hfrnt^. ferly. Yct S. Aufiine in thofe twcntie places faith nothing of finne ^ro^erlj OY vn^ro^erlj i^Vtx^^ and indcedc takc[h finne vnproperly, when he dcnieth concupifcence to htt finne , as anon lliall appcarc. He faich further, i\\ix.tvben AtifliKe calletbconcHpifcence finne, heetn^ keth finnf UYfj^ely^Oi it comprehendeth not onely all finne ^ bm alfo allma- tio^s andsnttcementi to (inne, andfoitmaj be tearmedfii^ne. And this large taksng otlinne, wc fay is the proper taking of jt, and thereby concupifcence is properly called/^;??. But the motions ani enttce- ments to [inyse^Qxng the fame with r£'»dmfii.s m^^^^iijg^ vndcrftjndeth it ro bee an emlL becaufeitprouoksth vsto eutlL So hee will haue it no othcrwilc called <«;?f«r//, then it is calied///7«f. Itisy;/?;7/>« alfooflinnevtiproperiy taken, and alii rmccon- trarie to the auncicnt rccciued Maximc ofChrilhan faith, that if yw«. dn* /?/>;* fpcakcth. Now hec will prouc, that //« is there vnproperly ta- ken,^^crt«/^ S. y^ftflineflacethttinthememheri: For according to S, Attfiine and aU the learned^ thefHi>ie6l ofjlnnefroperly t. ^ not in any pn^t ofihehody^hHttn the Will andfoHle. Where wee may iuftly fmileath.iridiculous and childilh ignorance. Why, Af^ Bt[hop is co»ct4pifcence any othcrwifcin the members ot the bodie, bntonely by thcfoulc ? /«//<«» the Pelagian was not fogiolTcj hue that hee knew, that * the flejh isfatdto Ihfty becnufe the foale lujleth according to thcpp}, which S. AnlltneQon^imtxY, and (aiih, that ' ttuthefonle \uivlnJibTcA.^. it felfe^ which hy tt 6tvne motions » hich it hath according to the [ptnt, is <%'•« cdrnalith eoKtrarie to other motio/ii of it oxvne^xvhjth it hath according to thefiefj: Tjbij m*uIT' and by it ewne motions which it haih according to the fitp^, is contra' f'-i^nitruiquos tie to other motions ofn owne^XK-hich it hath according t^thglptriie, and fp,ntum"adue7ra. that therefore the Jl.^f^j u futdto laft contrary to the fpiriie, and the fpi- ""' '^^'p '»»''^' rt! contrxnc to th^fieih. Who knoweth not f ^«,faich lie to iHlian^whicb cioiM!m car'Zm*^ th:if like a great Dctlor [o often telle fi vs ? And what, doth not M. &ritr(mmo'.ibus BrftJop kno\-\eit, that will bee taken for io greataDodor in the cl'^l'!rJcawil' Ciiurch of Rome ? Let me tell him once anaine, that the fottle is the -«'«"■/«'"'■ '»'^' , ,. r L- n r <- i /a - moubm fun nuet proper a;;u i.)nriCcii..ie iubieci oxconcHpijcence, tliat to lnjt i4 anatl labfi [c^wt-ium of a nature e.iduedifiht life and fenfe, which the bodv ii no: o( n f"'"'""'*^'^"^''' icltc, butonely bythc/*Wtf : a.id thcretorc that that exception otru/>;/««*t'je uifi"*^'*'"'^'- the member s,do&i vndcrfland that that is propcrlie and truly called (inne^ to faynotiiing cfthat I hauc before declared, thatby concu- piIcciKc ii alfo vnderliood the will it fclfc, thrall and lubic(^ vnto finne» 1. 1 6 oforlgimUjtnne after "Bxpifrnt^, fin. For concluhon of this point hec addcch, thac5. Anfline'mthe fame pajfage ^gntfieth pUmely, that in baptifme alijinne andim^utty is taken a^ ay, and that there u lefttn the regenerate one I j an infirmitie andweak»effe. But it is his (ingularimpudcncietoalledge5.-<4»/?/» fo diredly conrrary to his whole drift and purpofc in that place, which is,a<;befjrc was faid, to fhcw, that /?«»^is inVs whilcliwec lbr!&iibf9x%. ^'"^' ®"^'y ^'^^^ itmay not hurt vs wc muft haue care that wee make ' 8. '^e:iue enim HOt OUT fcliias the feruaiits of it. Whereas hce fiith, that irnqnttte is 'S!!^^.^'^^'' '*'^^/» ^^^ meanah it of:he guilt thereof, whichceaOeih in tu-veifuperiora chc regenerate by the forgiucnelTeofiheirlinneSjbutothcrcwifchcC j^f?/™"''!^./ ''»^^^ ^»«i.ro/> affirming the lame, that snfirioraf-iperio. s ttt^anin't^siitjinvSj that the flefh /nfieth agah/fi the Jpint, alhettit r'iSSer!-''^ ^^ »»<7//«/ftfr^^/(? onercome. He laith, that the inicjuitie beetng taken <*- awjivincerenon Way, there rcmatneth an in^rntitie, bul not takino tnjirmttieiw that hr,7f!aetncreafed.,ii <» nomanfo loMgOdhe lineth here. And fo/enga4 tt may iharr^qu^* iam i>eincrea[ed,{i\\.\\ hc,ftirely that that it isle(]e then tr/h^/9 ^e, E x v r '•«"' Fo^<^ "ugeri. Tio 'Est ..u by reafon of fame vice ^corrupt ion.de fAhlt . AI. Bifhop ^i'^- t'','^at 'fi i">twZ- fv\erc rh ,th 3 r here is nener a word ofconcMfifceMce^ or to prone Ortgi- nt:t]»am.i:u ,i«t? nail finne to rematne after B apt ijme. Br tit hchadmcanthoneftIy,he/;!'7^'/i)j'^;iS'^'' fhouldhnuc cold v5 wha: ism'"antbytliar'Z//r/«w callitf/Vf or^/u.c^gfa. were nherem th^loue of Godnitght and ought to he increafed^ that th.ir "Ji'l,jio cbLitas )»as tog Itttle ^exvitto erat^ was by reafon of fame vice or corruption. ^'""i'"'c ca^ AndthishcDicwcthrohc t'r.c lame that the Apoftlc fpeakcth ofl^rJ"!!^^"^ ^en, I v,'hcnhc [mU Let not /in*Te raf(jnei» your mortalt bodies^ (j;c. This ii'^cquui mnus e- nnc he tearmctlj vtiium, and (a'.th: '^ By thu vice or corrumton the c ex ho:v;tw eye u cafl whuher tt ou-rht not to be. and if it oo forirard and preuAile, '»'"'«'• 'f '^'- Adultery isrorr.miued. A^zan.ehe adoctn, HocpecCAtum^ td ejt Jjunc qu, Kno^'onit, vittojA ajftElionij appcttfum.tjuima^naex parte fren^irunt (^c This Jin*te, that is to fay ^ thi^ lufi of V:tiotu uffeVtion^theywhobauefr the moft pan bridled h:.uedefe*ucd to becallediufl And thus very often \^zc:^\\v^.\\ coyicupifcenre avice .diwA the motions thereof vtces^^i be- fore was faid. Now in tlie place cirherethHsbewriteth: Neither is ic needful! 5.mim.K>. lo labour much in fearchingout what the old Writers thcught of this pointiwhenone y^ugu/line miy ferue theturn: who with great diligence hath faitfjfully coUcdled together all theirfentences. Let the readers therfore take out of him ,if they defire to hauc any cer- tain ty of the indgemcnt of antiquity. Hitherto fomervhat honefiliti fVhat folhrveth'MoTCOua between? him and vs, there is this diflFc- rencc: that hectrucly darei not call the difeafc of concupifcencc a linncbut to cxprcfle if,is content to vfc the word of infirmity, then OfOriginnUflnne after Baptifme. 2 i 9 loc doth he fay, thatit ismadcfinne, when the a(f^ofourconf(nc doth ioync with it. But wchold that very thing to be finne,wherc« with a man is in any fort tickled. Obferuefirj}, goad Reader, that S. Augullincs «ptnio» with htm earieth the crc^tt of all antiquity. Which is the cmfe that I cite htm more often agatnjl th-r».Secondlyjthat he is flai/jf on oar (ide:teacbing concuptfcentce vot to beji»ne,vitle^'e we do cortm [em vnto it.Lafllj learn to mijltke the kltnd hldnejfe offuch M^Hersi tvhfi haningfo highly commendedS h\.\gn{\'mcs ittdgcment in this very matter , and adutfedall men to follow it , doth notwtthfiandmgfiie fro^ ithi'9tfelfe : prefumingthatfomeiro»ldl'cfofjallon''m[tedas not toe. fpie him, or elfe content to relie more vpon his o;iely credit, then vpon the anthority of all the aHncteyjt Fathers. For atafl of rvhofe confent xvitfj S, Auguftinc in this ejtte^ionj xvtll heerepttt thefemences offomeferVy phat Ineede not hereafter ret»rne to rehear fe them. S.ChrjfofiomefdihhjPaiWcns be notfinnesof thcmfclues, hiitihe j^^^,7„ ,.^ vj vnbridicdcxccirc of them doth make fins. And that I may for ex- adxan. ample fake touch one ofth°m:Concupifccncc is not afinnc ; but whcnpaflfingmcafureitbreakeshisboundsjthenlccit is adultery; not in regard of concupifcencc, but in rcfpcd of the cxcdTiue and vnlawfull riot of it. S.Bcrnard(ir^flW /T/.Pcrkins often citeth again/} vs and there fore serm.dcfex, mayfometimes bf alle^gedfor vs^jhath thefe words: S in is ai the dore, f"^'-" but if thou doc not openit, it will not enter in: luftticklcih at the heart; but vnlclk thou willintly yccld vnto it, it Iball doe thee no hurt: withhold thyconfcntjand itpreuajkthnor. S.Ayg. andS.C\r')\\,haffe bene cited already, S. Hier. andS. Greg, fhall be hereafter: who with the coup jfion of Cz\mn, mayferueffiffict- entlyto ^rotte^that approved anticjuity ts wholjfor vs. And if any de fire to ^orv the founder of our aduer furies DoHrine in this point, let htm read the6^ here fte recorded by that ancient and holy Bifhop Epiphanius: where he req^t^reth one Frodusanoldrotten fe^lary to haue taught^ thatjinnes are not taken away in Baptifme^but are onely conered^which is Oi much to fay ^ ui fwne remainethfiiUtn the per fori regenerate ^but w ttot imputed to him. JVloich is iufi M.PcTk'mSyand our Prote/lants po^- tton. R. Abbot. liM.PerkinshzA no better fortified his pofitions, then M.BipJop doth his anfwcrsjhe {houid with vshauc biiTholdcnfortoowcakc P a man 2 2 o OfOrigimllflnne after Bapifmc^. a man to meddle in conttouerfiesot diuinicy.Butas T'erUtllUn faid, that * tt is no where more eafte thrining the in the camp ofrebelf^here »7ertu!.cUpr4- to be o»l/,ii to i^e iff j>ay\{o may wc fay,that it is no where more cafic fI!&!^f^ofi^t!ur writing then amongft hcrcticksand rebels againft the truthjWhcte ljuammcajiui • g „jjy jj fufficicttt to commend a man*, it is no matter how »^^»tf/fpm»f«rior what hcc write. Such a writer is M. B/jhop: a bad one, God ''^' knowes.'but wc can look for no better ot him then the matter wil afFoord him. He faich, that M.Perkins had but one fcntcncc of S. ^«j?/»tf for the maintenance of his pofition, and that nothing foe his purpofc:butM.P«r/^"«-^hathal!cdgcd more then he hath an- fwered,anditfccmeth, that that one fentcncc was to the purpofe, which he could nooihcrwifefliiftoffjbutby Icud diflfembling and conccahng of that, wherein S. j^nfiine with raainc ftreame doth runneagainfthico. Againchetelleth vs/that M^Per^ins confefeth ingenuoftjlj , that S. Augufime in fandrji places den'teth concupifcenc* ro^*y/«,andweconfeflcas much^and expounds. ^«/?»«'-fmeaoiHg z^}[itAoih,i\\iiitisnotfinne totheperfony not that in it fcHc it is not J , Rnne. Bftt this^^ dith^is a/ready confttted, and we fay that his ima- gined confutation is already rcconfuted. But he giuethvsareafon why it cannot be fo. For ftnne that is an accident ^and fo properly in^ herent in hisffti>fe^,canKot Be at alUfit be not in fomeperfon^cfr the fin. tf the fame per f on. And we anfwer him by S. AuJiinet that it '\%[mne in the pcrfon, and /^tfy/>^«*'i4?'i(;^,ashccallcthhim, lohn Calnin jxe^ernnj^ his Readcts to S.^«f?^«,io know by him the iudgcmentofantiquity,conccrningthis matter of tonciipifcencc» Where 1 3nfwcrehi.in,t^at we honour Cp,\vhat can he fee? and yec though bee can fee but little, hcc is as bold as blind bayard, and doubteth not to vilific him, to whom he might verie well be a fcholleryct many yecres. Caluin iuftliccommcndcth y/«/?/«/iudg- nficnt,andaduiftthall men to follow it, andin fiibftance flieth not fromichimfclfe, though in ctrmcs hee fomewhat diftcr. Neither did hee prefumc vponj^d//<7»'»?/rJ not to bee rfpicd, knowing well that the whole rabble of the courtof Antichrifl, would vfc their decpeft wits for the fifcing of that hre fhould write, but in the con- fciencc of inrcgritic and faichfulnc flc,he dcfpifcd all their barkings andmalitiousfurie, and with the inuincible&ccld of truth beareth otFall thcpoifoned dattsofrhcir repioches. Hcencucrtaughtmen to rely vponhisanthoririe, but by authorjcy of the. word of God and tcftimonic of the auncicnt Church, l}e laboured tocrtablifli the faith of Chrirt, yetmaking menwitneffcsonely , potauthouis or didlatorsofihe truth, and therefore not drubcingcoccndirc them, where they fwarucfrom the aurlioritie of the word of truth. But now becaufe.'T/. Bi^^op willpcrfwadc vs, that 5. Anjfine'is wholiy on their part, Ictvs fomewhat more at large examine his opinion p 2 and 22 2 ofOriginaUJinne after Baptijmcj, and iudgcmcntinthis bchalfe. Which although it may bee fuffici- cmly perceiucd by thole things that haue becne fcattcringlie allcd- g(;d already, yet fully to rcmouc this cauill, let vs here lay together what (hall be found ncctflaiie for the clearing thereof. And firft,wc are toobfeiue, th.it (tnne is confiJered two manner of waics ; one GaL^iy.***' Way as it is oppofed to right eofi[ne(Je j another way as it is oppofed c ^HgHfixont. xoforffiHettejJe of pus. ' Sinne propei ly taken, as eucrie mans vnder- u.['JJf.i'mcut ftandfiig giucth him,is oppofite lo righteeuf>ie([e,zn6 fo whatfocuer inquiubaptifma j^ rontfaric to riehteoufneflc ,is /J^wtf. Thus haue we before dcfcri- iW«/ge«rw.»/,«- bed the nature of /i«w, and according to this delcription concuptf. (xtomm msau- • ^j g regenerate, beeing ^ contrary to righteouiheflc is finne^ ferrc cnmina fed O . . ' - P n i i - i l • r -n radereMommum neither eucf camc u into S. Atifimes hesrt to thinkeocherwilc. But S2l;i'S ^f conridercthyf«»tf in the proper effi-a o'^fmne, as it maketh ^«//r;, ne.mt!ir,qnafira- fo that whatfoeucr is/ t .r n ij o a a \ tis adhuc concu- flicking, from whence other jmnes \houldgror9 agnine. 6 . uSHjttne the {fr^^t^'«™s bctrerto'cleare this matter to popular ynderHanding , affi.mcth, Konmpute:ur. that buptifme doth take away mfttine, becaule that albtit concuptf- J;^;;,:^;;^;*^^^^ not remalnein the »M«f««o«/>9//}?t nature of//«w, becauiethe j«i/;thereof in baptifme was remit- J;?^«;Zm'red. ^ Itisforginen, faith hee, notfoMthattt is not, bmfoasthat t.t>nenmr.:et,et it ii not tm^Htedforftnne . & In the regenerate, vphenthcy receiue f.r* 'f^^!^^Ji^:S^Hen4eofaniheirfinnes,thegmlt of thus conettpifcence, thotigh 'aLiTqZSrl^iittitur reatiti aufeKnr. Hoc efi enim non hahtre pcccatim, »o» e([e reum pecuti. mm ft quifqitam ■v-bt zrt^ia fcmlt ndultemtx etiarn f, mnq»,m deiMcps facial reus c(l sdulterii donee re:>tu< ipfw indulgentia retnittt- tt'r Hzhet erzo pe-citumMamuu tllud qitodadrnfic iam notfit, quia cam tempore qi^efa£lum eftfr^uj^U&c.Matient tTglyecc.7ra)7rJlremittantur. Scd quomoAomanent Spr.tnta [ant mfi qni.t prKtewmm (tSi*, rumnt re«tH f SutU- ^i'fiene cmt rarie^oteji vt ttum iUnd miteat aiitifrtstmaC rtntu. - v--;i— -'• ccnoursofthePapilis, who when hee taught againft them Ongi- tuftncir^ft»,cnm ,, q^^^^^^^^ ^1^^ remainder of that bjot of naturall corruption in OfOrigwallJtnKe After "Baptijmc^, 2 2 ^ itfelfe ft til continue, is remitted fo as that it n not imputedforfmne.For |, ri,jc,p^. M o^thoje fins rvhich canvor continue, bec^ufe when they are dor.e they ^'opur Umrutti- are p.:Ji jet the guilt fttllabideth^andexcept it be pardoned^ (^^l^'^^^'^^'lZ)TnL'^urJlu- foreuer:fo the nuilt ofconcupi.cencervhen it is pardoned Js t^h^n away. ^t^ntKLtMiktutr. though ic Iclrcabjdc. Fornot toh.tue fmne is ailon^ad tojay,notto ^<'^p/rf;./ii.:.£«,^ gui/iieof/tnne. He tf'at hath committed adultery^ thow^h he doe it no '"""^"""''7"*^ rnore^ts [fill guilty ttllhe be pardoned. Therefore hehath bus Jinne fttll, (,!mJedrf"tu''rU th&uah that nhich he hath commit tednoiv 14 not in beincr.bei»ip^vptth '■'^''^'' fof'-t'-i'^ the time wherein it vf at done. Such [inner therefore rematne except they sai^tifmo. beforgmen But horvdoe thsy remaine beiKgnors>pafi, but becaufe the) k 'Zn.'- 'V/»r'«w>« arepafl as touching thstr aElvallbeing,butremaine fttll as touchmgthe ,:os umbo!. gntlt? Euenfo,\A\th hc^itmaywellbe^thatconcuptfcenceofthejiepjre- ^^nV'^^'"' f^ matneth fiill M touching the aBuall bem/T^bitt yet Of touchini^ the guilt \'cap.\\.Re/itiu isp.^li afidvone He callcth this concupifcence ^'' a damnable pollution (fr '•"' ^"'•■''■■'"'"" vncleannes, where^rtth the nature of maa ts defiled^ andfo^xvhichit is tioned.mt/iu cfl.- condemned. And he faith thcTCLA,ih.n'notthe euilltt felfe, but th? cT'dru^nm guilt th^t ifgatheredthereof ts t^ken aw^y in baptifme; that this ftnne m c>.ntrjuUtH. ts k dead, 04 touching the omit wherein it held vr. that ' the qmilt ther ft^*! "^"^ f'^I. of rvhich rve haue dravene by generation,is pardoned by regeneration ^ CJ* yii p,-cc.tte,nii ntaketh i^uiltie^QC2i\i\c the guilt thtreoftsreleafed in ihe Sacrament C'crofoute umtf ofre^eneration. The places are mfinitc.u herein hcc fpcaketh to the oo-pectat. mcr. fame eff.c^, that" the /aw of ftnne. the bond of the guilt thereof be &rirm^.i:h.i. ingloo'ed, con:tnuethfttll: that ^ the /aw of concupifcence tsjiill abt- ^f^^^flp^turor'n- ding, but the iruilt there fis releafcd : tliat '^ God hea/etb the corrupt! "" ■^,"*" • ■""*' on of man, from the gutlt forthvcithy butfrom'the tnftrmtty by litt/e ^{i.,,{,Ji,.i.c(tp. ani litle • that ' the /arv offtn is remitted and pardoned in b.ipitp^e,but .'^ ■fc{- Chriftjhat they holdvsnot in otn't, but that chcyrcnninc for vs "'!;■"■• , .,, to fight With and conquer, and Lift of all^ to bee perfectly healed: i.s-.nr.-u, nur* i.tf.Trnirart piut!ittim. rlbU. T^-onttiXttr in Brpitpn.-'U lex pfcc.f.i, non finiur. {Ihtd.lih.'i. (fp.^.l-'itit tit curMnUtr, fTMi i/T rtMu nan t;>u.int ,dtinit v: con/iu'lu n « vinavft:f^lrtmo V. omm txwte f.vuui n.-tUa omntm rem.tftMU. P 2 not 224 OfOriginaUJlnne after BAftifme, vottohe at AU^^\\\ht2iim^y^on this, that there is ftill remaining, the fame thing that Cvas before, the W <»//?« before, the Uwoffm ftill' eui!lh^^o\c,eutll^\\\\aviceor corru^tton bcforCj^* vtce and cot' *r«^^/tf«ftill,onclythc^«r/ftakcnaway,and>hrbyoncly denied to bc/;».Now in this we contend not vith v/«/?/«,r.or v/»^««withvs: t c<)«tr.i«'»» eede mo- .' /.. i iis ;i ru djitppesutw fee r 3 fc IS Hof //«'?*, as //>?«* I mportcth and irnj.li'" li j^w//, t>eci,ufe the "^^.f'/"^'^ '«■«■«/// thercofis remitted jn-i pardoned. Buc fctting afidc the re- *r/* r,«»«» /j^w^«^ fpe(5t of^»fie i^o vzxWj : for bc acknov\ Icdgein, thai ^ thoftgh it Pcmtcal- vCom'.iui,*'^. iedfrnrein th'^tfort,as th^t it makcth guilty, rer ic is cilkdftJ»eyfor hb 5 cap. i.fiipr. that by rehellmg t: labour eih to draip vs mto gntlt And vvhen Ifthan xS^ecrd.m^rt^th'^ Pelagian tooke held ofthat that he l3ii^,'har comu^t^^cence and jemiiZb.i.caf ■irebelltonof the He(}} ,\rai tu/iljlatd as a fn»t^mcnt Vfon tbs c^tfobeiii. fupelSpermp^. ^^^'^ of man, aiid bctf upon a gucd f hat then st v'^sno eui/,bm rather turn. athtngto be commeded as Gods feruam for reHengevpon htmth^tbad InpTZ^'ca.r,' decerned It, to refutehiscolki^ion, anfwcreth, thatit is notoncly Ttaaum lUud ffjg pu^ifhwent offmne.QX the caufeoffinMe.hut. ai fo very ftnKe jt reJtc, &tiSiume/i, ^ ^ becaufe there ts tn ft arebetiton agaiKjt the IriW ofthemtnd,M\amci' wnimpn'Mw. ^q^^ jJ^jj vainclv hc inferred, \k\ncaKcttftf^Cir,ce becaufe n ivasapu- %Contr.]u'i.'ti'.u. fiipoment voastobe cowmended. Where to lay that i. Aufitn takcthy5>» i.§luiamoniM vnpropedy-as Ai Btpjop doth.isto make him to fpc ak veryablurd- tlti.eo ream quo .V • ^\. i r i \ r \ \ t, t> »oste>icb'.t,<^dber:w it held vs,(*r being dead yet rt bclUxh vniil by nccomp/tfh* b Oemj.t.dr co- me^-t of burial it be healed So t<"t n as toucii!' ^v ^^''t u is conquered, S^;^ Si;V- <^f ftf^7^'^ dc.id^and it is rot/«,but bjrebeliionn }.\i^fittne Hccallefhir ^viceJh^ofvttiomaWeSi.onhvitious concupip. l:b.XMp.-9.l>l c' r 1 1 t C he morbo. Et cap. ccnce^ vitiBufnes or corrt. ^^rt^.y.Sl^odam o^trantt contagiojd cp^Quncupifccnu* Afftclu.. (^ileafe of Origimlljirtue after Bdptifmt^, 22 5" difcafcor neitjIece,or woiind& comagio of man is there fpimually r, t Hid but onl y/>i?Hc callcih thi^s Uwof^n ^afilthj taw, a mtferable /^w^not Lt^tmfit.Ltm,it' for that it hath a being by irfcltc (o be filthy and mifcrabicj but be- x' wAy,-. caufc wp by u arc in our [clues filihy and mtfsrai>/c, which nothing f,b.6.cap.i.-^>i can c-iiifc bur one ly fif-nc. He calicih it ^ a» euill, euiH co»cupifcence, ""« '/' '^■''ii-'J'*^ aneMillejHahtjjanajfetlionofemueifiiiltty^aiwA what cuiiJ qualuy is ^ ibidcapi. thtrcofthe loulc.whac fpiriiuall euil.but onelv fin.'Hce calieih the Cn.\zt:Jro»t corrupt i on ^(^c Now thogh mContr.iuiJm.' fotnectines thenanieof^wi'ibc othcrwifcvfcd then oiftnne yet nc- lii>i.&Ub.6.Mf, ucris a man called ^•w/^by any i>tn.Hop*cc::bi:t4r. P ^ nature 226 Oforigma.Ujimea,fterBapUJmc^, iC4Ht.iu'ia».Ut). nature, as (in»e\seHtllwhen he faith, ' JVho ufomadde,astbat een* l^fJ'f^V^nh f^jT'"Z ft"*^^^ '" ^* euill^he will deny the cmcttpifcence o^(innes to he ettil, ^mcumpeccata ' albeit b) reafoN ofthefpirit Injimg again^ tty it be notjffff'ired to con* n^i'fp'rSam cctueand bring foorth ^nnes^. And to take away all excf pricn,and at concuptfcemiam oHcc to ftrilcc the matter dead, he add; th thit it psfuch and fo. great ^Jallll/^elT' anemll.as that onely for beinginvs ^it jhottldholdvi indeath, o- draw ioaciiuilccnte vf tucuerlaftingdeath^ hntth^ttbe bond thereof is ioofed in baptifme iZl^!/flc%rc.bytheforgiue»efeofallo(*rft^^^^ before, re n.nfimturi ffj^j if (hoFild not only be in the fatthfnll^ bfit alfogreetioufly hmt xhem^ lij^^^l'Z, but th^t the guilt thereof which had bound w, u loafed by the forgine. tantuM'jia.iin- „^jj^g ofourftnnes. Which oncly words might fuffice to declare vnto ri»««rT« w7rt«, vs S. y^«7?^'«tf/mind,thathc neuer thouchc^butlhar convup'fcence is a-pmrahtretin yw^^.in that mea;?7tf. For if it bcc IfiTeiZV/n"' fuch an cusll, as that fauc oncly that the'j^«//f thereof is pardoned cuiumintiiaq/(^ icfhould grcatly hurt vs, and io hurt vs, as that it Oiould drarv vt fcaatmLTn. vnto euerla/ling death, H cannot be denied to be trucly/r»Ktf,becaufe ^imrcwjftone nothing could bring VS tocucrlalHng death, but oncly f^ne. And uai;r/«//ro ^Y weafc vncleanepolluted,defiled,bmontWfi»ne. Seeing thetforc tjiiapoUuti&jor by thc remainder ot Originall (i/tne,i(\zt is ,by concapifcence we con- I^S^m" tinuearterbapii(*me vnc/ea^ polluted drdefiledM folio A-cth necefla- ifmocent obiine- rjly, ihzt concupifcence after baptifm i > propc rly and truly fnne.And jWJ.pug>utndi ifconcupifccncc be not fiiine without confcnt, then by S . Aujliyies nxejjicji co:.}tra iudgcmcnt the Apoftles mu contrary p:mLUdinmn to thc doanii oJ S, Aujttne. Concupilcencc thcrfore by S.Auftim aon(tti(lotie Lberot C^r.a In loan.tra(t.^i.Tacieliat vtconcupifcentia ntn con/eniiret. Fide Bernard. iitCumicSer.^i. b Dettat &gri^ »*/. iS, Onmei fatuii (i inUrrn^ari poUti^vii. vi^i vtie ckmnjfra:,/! dtxcritiHif q^uiapeccatum nott halM»"t^,&c. iudgcm^iif OfOrtgmdlftnne after Baptijmc^, 227 iiidgemcnt muft nccedarily bee finnc. And hereto iigrec alfo ihc ^'^yp^i-'if "f. iudgeiTi'rnts ofrhercft of the Fathers. Cy/irMw callcdut in the re- \'',^'a^l'f:„^l'^'*J generate'^ a corruptions the fhrnace of Bah^lon , a domefitca'l entll^ o^t.-Ufia/jimu: tvhich thfj wttlbe afhamed^ who dejlre with pure httirt to fee the k^ng in cnmmJumJt hii beatitte. a f^^^ing beajloffiinkingbreath^to bee tied vp xvith tron 1"" ^rubrfant ch. lines tn thefurthefi p^JJa'res of the fotde, Hcc "faith anainc of the loljl'lrgemm ' ^ holy Prophetr a:tdPrieftT^thatthey warned nitther Originallnorper-'^'"''!"' '^'j"* fonallftnyie^ anj thereby confcllcth that in hr^Iy n:cn OrigtnAllftnne niembcjii.zeo'r- conrinucxh ftill. ylmbrofe (:■2^\cl\\cor^cup^(ccKce cwcn in the rcec- '^"i'^'''^'*^'*''*^'. Ucrare; a defilement oj- nature ^ tniquttte, the tfork^er of cfejautt andv'uninam'n.cre' tre.^pafe, the feed plot of /iants, an euillroote,a»affe^ion of errour ^'f^'^f'S-""^-^ Bemardm the hkciorc.callethit a contaminatton, a plot,aconta- etttn-at.chnjtu gion, a pcjl I lent pay fan, a TKan fold peHilenCe^ the chenPjment of all ^""J^'P^f^ ^^ naught ineffe,a furnace flrongly burntng with the affe^ions of ambition ^ rucreddtclo. Auartce, enHie,mlfalne[fe, lewdneffe^ and all vicer. Hoc againc tna- tifo-D^ufdca tcih ircucnby it fclfc, ^/r B'4//,vvhich fo Jong as it is in vsexcludeth w.D.p'tramtm andjhutteth vs out from God', as of /^^*/ for example he fjith, that t'^Zi'Z'.T/. this one wall kindred hit Joule from the fight and embracing of hn be- Etibid.caf.ii. /oided Sauiour. By all which the Reader may cftecinc, what con • r^",^"',/^^/^^^^ fcicnccs they had in theCouiicell of Trent, that fctit downeto ^"'^'- r.tdix&fc- thc world as an article to be bcleeucd, tlut concupifcence is '' nvt a j thing that God hateth,ih^' it itnotathin^ thut hindreth fromentring dixaffulm intoheauen, Thefcfpecchcf cannot bee thus applied to anic thing iiemdefex but linncWehaue no c^u(c to be i:(hjmed ofany t!)ing before God f"i'*^t-^'o<^ biKonelynnne. God cannot but haic all Cp\i\iu?A[ corruption, all7bki'c"micuk!'^ filthi)ie(fg,A\ini(1uitie'A\\contaqionii\d vnclcannefle of the foule, •''"'•'"'"'* ^"^ and kw g concupi(ccnceibaiv^//thatlhucrcth vsout t:on\Go6^tmtmrtrrribih it mu'd needs be finne, bccaufcnothmn can diiiide vs f!C;7) God '-''■'"^'"" '0'- ' ^ o turiantttmnui^- buconriyy7^/;tf. Now therefore as touching tUs two places which «.,ro«a#/i//<:wtv.« A/.B'p^op ctt.thinthcfccondfeaion.vrhercini'. //«/?/« d^nicth ''^TT^^'r • ' ' /J I cortK exit ftjfijf concupifcenccto bc/7«»f,tneanlwer is plaincby Auftin bimfeite: rii-vinn.Huic * }Suia r:m;IJ'aeflinremiffi6nepeccatorumnoniamregeneratt!tnpec- ZVjUre.Fmnut' eatum' repuiJiur : becaufc it tsforgtuen to the regenerate by remtf. truftojuuK. ton offimes, it ir not now repined to them for jiKne. Ii is [mne in „,,^ o-ct-mmum K uijtt'qu»4 4Ja DtuijubiUb ia^rejfucoeli rtmaTiitur. i Dc mtpi. & Concupif, Ub.i.cxf.^^.^ And fiimuitim fecc^- orum,md!a ra- etro' 22 S Of OrigmaUlinne after BA^tifme^", Andhercby theanfwcr is piaine totbac other cauill which thcf borrow alio from S./dttflin^ihiX. '^ for conCHftfc^nce erthe dejires and nuHe-'mm'Jid- «'*^''"'' tfjcrtef.xve do not fay forgine vs enr trefpaffesjo lorn as vo€ giue bcrtmitf dfenfum noconfcnt vnto them. For the rcifonchat S. y^«y//'«g;Ucth of thac 7ere£f^lt. ^^^ii^ov\,\s^ bccouje the gHilt thereof ts already taken avfay in Bap- ftroquitHcee'ii ttfwe: bccauft the f^me ate already forgthcn and pardoned i» Bap- ^,^ fmtieno ,t ffj^^g^ ch^cby inliiiuating, that concupifccnce and the motions ICen^^.epifl.Fe. fbcrcof 10 the mfduesarcrich, as for which we (liould fay, forgiue mc f^eperVp'fx VS ouf CfcfpaircSj buc thactherelbre we doc not fay fo.bf'.caufe we c'UHsiamreatu! bcleciic .ihat they ate already pardoned and torgiuen viico v?. tiom^Ii^^>"uis Nowiciscncthiflgcofay, char wceaskc not forg;Ucnrflc thereof, e/idicunc (Hoa- bccaulc It IS toi cujen already'; .^notJier thina to fav, as Af Btfhop DmineHobi^,&e and his tcliowcs do, that ir lo (ucti iHit fclte asnecocth uorurgijc- Etcont.iit.Teti!. i^cflc. VVnerebv it phine'v appeaterh "tha? thev wholv abufc Saint hb.i.ca.toi. Ne.. „. . ■' , ! r l r \ que de hts pecca AHjtm^ina ATc It hi'Ti to tjfre ocner purpole and tni.a'^hig then was tisbocfeumiis mtcndc J by him Aid yet this is a thing whcrtot he hitnleifc alfo ^u£ whs tit Bap- iriiri ii- tipnoiamdimijf* iiiade lomc doubt. Hc propoundtth It as his owneprtuate o[ni- m'/« pral II 8 ^"* "* "^^ farrea4 1 canperceiue, lasth he, ir is (o. (t [ee^eth la mee tanci^m'um fo " Htfi falhr i tf I he not <^rf««f^,it li fo, "and darcth nor, as he VefofTum^"^^' ^^'^h, 'rf^rchend them^vfho Qid atiirmcthAt tHstmenmis^h! tnthis n DeperfeB. life bc ^o ixX wuhout fmne^ as to Ijc free from confent to any deftres of 'gtod^mfffS fi""^> whojbccaufe ih.y ihould hau^nothing cJfc for which to C^y m ejfet ofHi dice- forgiuc vsGur trefpaffeSjtnuft iiecdsfay fo for the very fivli cnoti- Z'NonMdarf OHS and luftsthcreof Add furely wc dire not altogerhcr afl^nc frehinderi,q»an. [q Aufiinxn thts bchalfe, b.caufc wc carnt)tconcciue,but that tnc Se^^aLw,"" ad^sand motions of contup-fcencc bting new from day to day, mull; be accounted new trefpafTes from day ro day, aiidthcrfoic from day to day gtuc vs occa(ir>n to fay, forgiue vs enr trefpajfet* Yet doth hcaduancagc the PapiHs no whir at all, bccaufc by his veryqueflionhereo*itappc:areth, that he doubted not, hwr chat c- uillconcupifccnces are in themfclucs ftich,as for which weihould fay, forgiue vs out crefpaffcs, when propounding whether tor ewill concupilccnccs wcpray (bvnto God, hce makcth the ground of hisqucftion this, bccaufein Baptifmc they arc already pardoned. And rhus I hope I haue by this time made It appeareco Ai.Btfhop^ that S. v/w/?/>i in this point was no PapiH, and that though m the fignification of a word he differ from vs, yet in the very matter rc- folued the fame that wc do, andthatboth heaud the reH of the Fathers OfOrfgifiaUjtrtne after Ba^tifme^. 229 Fithfrsoftlic Church pLiincIy agree with vs, ihzxconcufrfccnce in rhcrcgcncraccharh the; p;opcriiafure and condition of finne. iiiiz ycrhe will not yeeld,becaufciiclia'h yet fonicvvhat furihcr to al- lrdt:coufof'tlie Fathers for the proofcor that he faith And fir(l he allcdpcth Chrjfo/fome.C^yw*^, p Paffion^ bet not (innes ofthemfelnes^ pchryf.ad.Rt. hut ths vnbrtdled exceffe of them dti h mahe fimet. For example , Con ''"'"•■jW"//?- c.tpi ccnce is not < jt^me ^ but n>hc»pa/f$rjff- meafftre tt brrai^es htr haudgi,.teiu.tm e- boun4r, then lo it ts adult rrie; not tn rufbeU of coticnpifcence but in re- '''"'■•f"^ iliomm „(-,/•! /r I • I , ■ r II t II iryn-oU rrio ef- ^Ut0ftheexccjjeandvnl4ttv'ulivoicf$t. Bui hocfC he \>Uycih\\\c fr.ffuahoceffici- w.Wi:^ 3j!iin(-, andliveqiiiuocation iiietrlv abiifcfh his icndcr.For 'i"^^- f'yi' gratu O^ry/dy/owf ipcakcfhot pa'l ons aschcyaie naturall, and by \joiget\forro\vfeare, and fuch ;^1„'";^",^^'*5 h!:fce:ia {ed cnmipfun.-.isn js CiodS creature, not as it »s mans dttaulr rasJtis t^cupiduuit. °i vnm jtlt^HuajftdHHm, (crwe oyie of the ajfe^ions, not in that fort as wcqiuih' n;t, sit is ihir common dtloider of them all. The di-q7*«i fl-ind^ionotfo^/f^^/^Tfwftf, which Teuutltan vfcih , fcmcth My'\x\tjtrtuUiMinit this pi J*^ c, ti at fticre is ' co CHptfcence reAfonable und vnre.ifonab.e -^''<'>">-ctp.6. /vVr''i/^/fneLaIlcthth.'!C which s naturalJ^ nhich from the be^in' a»,'mTJpr!'moT- Kwg wainrot^ghttnihefoHle by Cod the rfaf'}M4b!e author ard maker '^"J^ tr:g'nitnm thereof pntea/on^ib/ehcim^ ^ JSth^t irhich befell by the iKfit>i^ of Ucrrautimeir- the SrfOent a*idthenceforih pyerv tMtoihe ou'e, and became ina fort ''•"«'*'" ;»'?'^'«» 7 r t II 111 r I I I I I '""■"gfidume/t, uaur:iUt:otofth.ity:ature'.vhiChisof(jca^ but of th. it irhich the dt ■ it <]uod autdcne uellh.iihbroHzhtiyjConCMpifctnce :.s JC imiKurcrh the iiaturall adt'/'^''"*'" '"' . _ *^ , ' - , , ' It man a nut tx- o'<2<',/^/-/'?f,fier jihrlya'. rnxfli lotiiie hctie t'l C.luift and that xxxmitmoifum- m V. ot K k-itc U!S nofiMPe. And thus is C^r, r<;/?^wr to he vndcrHood '""""•"'"'/^"' wh. n he laitr,,ih:tt affections are net finne ol them fe lues ^hm that it is &c.noncxtiHx- thevnb, idled diforder thereof that e^u[eihjh»e.:Thn% as hcc ^aith, JJ^X'^'J^/^'li ccKruptJcence icUrrcd to the natural! dtljieof thri7^a!e lo the fe e, becaufc u ''^^tht^oxV^ohhtGodoi':^;^'",iZ'!''r. nature. But our q.i>'rt:on hcercis of that co^cupifcrnceor the ic-M-^'/j."' '"^f mainder ofthat coniup:fce>iC,' vvhich'grc w I y i^ e in(tin(5t of the fcr- pficai^^^^'e pentjWJicrebyallourdefi cs arcbv another nature crownc difor- dcrcd and eui!l,whicti dUorder vvc fay in part continutth fid in the 2 3 o oforigmdiltnne after Bnptijmc^, regenerate, and is not by M. Btjhop asyct freed frombccing jfwtf. Thcp'^ccoiS.BerKard3.n[wctcth'nk\fc::^Siftf*eii^!ftthedoorf6fit /ex\nLiZ'?cc-'^'^^''If^^^o^^P^'***^^ll'i'>te»term. Jfjtme bee at the doorc, why catumtnforibui doth yW Btfhop denic itto beyr««#?What he faith ^xik^Jlnne is at the 'luZn'^tirfbit*^ ^<><>^f* he rcpeateth againcin thcfc v]oxdijH(itic\lethat the heart. mppetituitHctrde {fiftji itc^/tMgat the heart bcc (iKKe at the doore^ how doth heecon- ^eftiflifJfpontillf- elude by this place,that/«/?iS »o/w«#f He faith, that^. Per^ns of- /«m, »M no:ehit. tj^ cjteth S.Bernard againft them,and therefore he may bee fona- • times alledged forthcm;buc ifhq,doealledge him no better then here he hath done,his labour fhall bee better faued then foidlely beftowcdButhedothnotoncly cite him impertinently, but alio very lewdly, for in that very fcrmon is it wherein Bern.trd fo de- icribeth concapifcence^^s before was faid, calling it a dsflement, a contagioa,a &lot,apeJlUe»t pojffo»,(^c.atidOty\r\g thereof, fVhat can there he found inmancleane from this bloty free from th's contagion^ thereby plainly conuincing that it isy7«,becaufc, as hath bin before faid,nothing defileth,blotteth,infc(5leth thefoillc butt)nely(/5'««tf .J Anftin & S.Cyril, he faith haue bin cited alrcady,& I hope he ha:h had a full anfwcrc to thofe citations. Asfor Hterome :ind Gregerie^ when we hcarc what icii that he will oppofe out of thcra, he lliall haue our further anfwer;but ncitbcrthey nor Ctf/^m/confcfliondo prouc at all thazapprooufd antttjutijf is vnholyfor them, as hce fondly prefumeth without caufe. But now forlooth to hit the nailc on the head, //^w^'jfaith hc,tJe(iretok»otv the founder of our aduerfaries do- 6i rine tn this point , let him reudethe 6^.herefe recorded by that an ci» cnt and holy Bt/hop Epiphaniw. And what fhail he reade there ? For./ {ooth, he re£tfireth one Proc/tts an old rotten feSlarie^ to haue taught, thatftnnes are not taken away in Baptifme^hut are onely cofiered;irhtch is as much tofay^oi fnne remainethjitllin the pgrfon reqeneratejjut is not imputed to hr»i;ivhich j\a[th he J is iufi M. Perkins and our Pro- tefiants poftion. Now,he that had flood by him when he read this matter in Epiphaniw finight very well haue faid to him, Animta efi inpatinisyour mmits onyour muflard-pot ; ye reade ye know rot what. For that which he alledgeth of Procltu was not dcliuercd by Pr«ff/«tf,butby£'/>//'^4«/>« is recorded out of a fpeech of y^/y the ^fire grace of God famed- abundantly into it in Baptifmiandfo our fitft Argumemftands infoluble. Now to the fecond. R, Abbot. This argument as it was long ago vrged by the Pelagians, fo in a^r<£«/Z.cm.». them long ago hath rccciucd a full anfwer.It was rightly fayd by ej,i/i.PeiagM.i. §. Auftin to t\\cmi* JVhoftieHef doth derogate or detra^ from Bap- hfti^attdtre- tifmethatwhichnowwerceeiuebytt^corrupteth ChriUian faith : but fat quai modb /jf ^^^; ff^f„ ^^H? attrtbutcth to tt that,which by it indeede but yet here- mt's'forrupic'p?: after wc are toreceiueyCmteth off Chrtsiian hope. Wee confcffe that ?'«/?««''"ff* . Baptifmedothfealcvntovs the full rcmillion and forgiucncffc of ^St**qi*oi^uidem^ all our finn'csithat thereby wc are ingraffcd into Chrift^ to become ; not itfelfejfut the guilt of it ii taken Uh^Mdl^^md ^^^y '" Baptifme: that ' it refnatneth as touching the aEiffallbeing.but ^nipfimfedrea* i^ taken awaj as touchingthe guilt, Now his confutation hcereof '7bap'tlfZ '' niuft needs bee a very poorc one, that thus dire6lly crolfcth S. Au- c liidMb.e.ca.i. fiins affcrtion, and hath no further warrant bat his owne bare ttr^tmtu.'^'^'^' word. We haue examined that bcforCj but h«rcift confirmation of I OfOrtghaUjirmeaftcr'Baftlfmc^. 23^ I hii argument hevpill addef^me texts of holy Scrtptftre And fir ft hcal- I Icdgcth the words of Chrift, ^ fiethatitwafhed^ ntedetb not hnt to I PM^ hU feet ^y tit uwholy cleane- Where wee may wonder, thac the ° -M-**- mans wits fiiould fo much failc him, thus to cite a place dircfily a- gainft himfelfc. For Prr^r, to whomcChrift there fpcakcthjhad I bene baptized before, and yet hcc needed to be wafhcd ftill, info- [rnuch that our Sauiour faith to him, ' // Ivfa^j thee not, thou (ha!t cVct {haueno partinmee. Therefore the vnclcanneflc oi (tnne was no: Iwholy taken away in Baptifmc, but remained in part fiill to be ta- ken away. Nay, inthe very place it felfe the exception is plaine. For ic namely fpecificth, that he that is wafhcd hath fl, II needeto "^apje hU /rtf/tf;andthathcis not in fuch fort xvholj cleane ^w\.i\\^x. his/(ff/#arc ftillvncleanc. And what arc thcfc/ju£i»i(,:e Ivntothem Now /^w^rtf/^exprcirciyexpoundeth ihispbceofare--^''""'*"'"""^ m3\i\dcxo\Ori£inaufinne,[TOir\whKn ftill aher Biptilmc wee xCcmnbusmctoH- maine to be clcanfed. '' Peter rvoj c/eane,\^kh he, b^^tyet he •'^''^fltl^';fZ"^lmu- ># haue his feete rv^ifJjed. For he had (it II t he (inne t hut commet h by fuc - m-n q:wt:diinn- ufflGnf'Omihefrftman^ rvhom the ferpent bjOMtlcd ^»dpetfnaded^^'^'^'^^l^grjert htm to error. Therefore his feete are rvapJtd , that tho^e hereditarie ijunm-^Mutur Innes may be taken away: For onrovcne finnes done by ourfeluesare ^Z[nl'%e\!**' ^leafedtnBaptifwe. Wlicrefpeaking of men baptized in elder A' ^'•""'Wi'''-^- warcs,aj/^tf/(frwa$,he plaineiic fignificth, that what finnts ihcy ;/^^^.,^^;.,^ Muc by thtjrowne atSlicn, they are in Bnprifme wlioly aholifl:icd, p>tm$i>ownude 3Ut thatO.'iginall nnnc,asioiictiii-gtne matter and corruption of t,im,j„*>uio mm itjisftill dwelling in vs,and that we haue ftill nccde to bccwaihed ^■'l^J'""^^lJ^^' ind clcanfed thcicfrom. And this i". -^//y?/»guicthtovndciftand/,X^,/''** ' who. 2 1 4 ofongindlfmne after B^ftijme, who writing vpon thofe fpcechesof Chrift, aflicth thcquenion, i j4ui in Joatu ^fVhe isthiYS in this lifefo cleane, as that he is not more and more to be trdi.\ .Su!s c/tf^«y<.^or«y^i3f? (r/?«««tf? and foaffirmcth that the faithful! arc here, tiu"dasv't non ttsHttdi & mundandt: eleaKe,h\it yet fo as that in part they rcmaine ['^""^^J^'^^^'Pi'^ M\tobe ckanfedj accordingly as the Aportlccxhorteih the faith- full , ^ Let vs cleanfe owrfelaes from allfilthineJJ'e ofthefiejh and of the k.».Cor.7.i. fpHt^andgrowvftofftllholineffe in thefeareof God, Buthccre J^, Bifho^ allcdgech(jr«'|^or/;V,affirmingbythorcwordsorChrirt, that he that is rvafhedhaph not any thingremaintng o f his (inns, (^C, Which j words 6^/'^^cr/tf indeed hath, buc altogctherto other purpofc thct M. Bifhofc\ici\\ih<:m, difputing in that place againftfome wh< 1 Gregor.Uh.9. ^eld ' teccata in Baptfmofaperfiete teniu dimitti, that fmnes tn Bap"» fliitft ilmt tifme are bfntfuperfic/aty pardoned. Againf} them hce alledgcth the' feccata in Bap- vvords of Chrift hcrc fpoken j and infcfi eth . " Si iaitur peccata in I Huidmitti, guid BAptijmofudttfismwime dimtttHntHr^O'cJfthenjuisbe Kot altogether ' efibac prxdtcati- forffiuentn Baptifmc .hev;> then is hee wholy cleane that is rvapied? For ■ tmimieUusf , «» / V~ '/ / / . / r t • ' li m St tgmrpec- he cafiMot be Jata to be wholj c leanest o vphom any thmg is re^atnwg of caumBapttf. [jif Hnne . Andtothatmeahint^ \\t{i\i\\,that ther e ts nothing remni' mnimedimi!:- ntvg to htm Of the contagiofj ofhis Jtnne, comp^iino the gu Ic oi jinne tmtur,<^uomodi to 3 coiitagion Or infc3lion, wherewith the per(c>n is (iill touched mundiisefttotm? SLiittxmi theractis pan and gone, vntiU by ror^iucnfs it be taken li^IsVcTmnTo^' ^way. Now let thefe words be referred to the drift vvf'crrto they teft ciu de pecca'.o wcrc writtcn('which being exprcficd in the next words before, ivl,- tine^m'r$it ^^Z^*? hath vcty guilcfuUy concealcd ; and they hauc nothing in, voci-unitatiiqu.e thcm contrary toour affertion. For we deny not, buc that (ins arc ^^fS'S^a"^} ^"^Iv and wholy pardoned to the regenerate : wee dcnynoc, buc depecMtifiu con- that thc gujlt thcrcofls quItc taken away, and therefore by Grego- jS.'^S^ ^' 5//2^auailcih nothing. The very like doth muHdHmipfe qui Ambrose hy^'' StnnecMhauenoportionina mm whom faraatenejfe nMnpin vf. offimis hath [nv allotted vp^vihoyct plainly affirmeth thc rctnaining iii.S(r.iS. of Original! finneit fcife after the pardon thereof, as bctbrc isfaid. umpouflpmlL Now wc may not thinkcthatCri-^tfr/tf was fo fimple, as that hce Mem ?«<«««i/Sr-fawnotinthc words of Chrift, that hee that isfavd to bee wholy ieccaterum. cleave^hnth an exception let downe as touching his feete, and ther- fotc could not intend any further, but that hce is »'i&ct^e hushaA of one mfe. He dilpntcih at large,ihat if Baptifmc take away fins.much more \t (hould take away the imputation of that that is no fin, but neither hath the words which /l/.i?/y^^palledgeth, nor any other that can feruc M. 'Strops turn.Jtis further allcdgcd that Danid raith,^ ThoUfPdlii.j. {halt tvafhme and Ifbalhe nhiter thenfioxr: horPthen^Ca'nh hc^canthe hlackneff'e ofhellremaine tn hisfonU} But let mc afkc him, ifOriginaU ftane be taiccn quite away in the regenerate, how then cometh it to pafle, that Dautd hauing receiucd the cffc(5l of Baptifmc in the Sacrament of Circumcifion, and now a long time continued in the ftatc ofgrace,doth yet complaine of C?r/^/««»"*"> '"UHmH torvhomthe fault ts pardoned, who yet am meth the continuing of {ihid.Sufram. Ortitnallftnne in him that is pardoned, as wc hauc feene before. He "^'^f^^^'*^. was therefore whiter then (now, as touching imputation and giult, liu.r. when the fault was pardoned, according to the faying x>f -^«/?/;», that ^ all the commandements of Godare reputed asdone^ when that ts J'^"i-'K*traSL pardoned that u not done. But yct\vhe he hid heard it dcliuercd vn- manin^^aa to him by the Prophet Nathan, that " the Lord had taken away his '^•'f"*'"';?'"^ ftnne, he pr2ycdnotwuhlt3nding,*Crtf4W/«fW* a cleane heart', renew / ,^aoia/hmeand/(halbe)vhtterthe»fnoiv,ihcrcbyiC- "p^V"',' *f ofhopc. ^ Our flateheere^{d\i\\Tertullian^is a contemplation of hope taio, mcpoffejjio through faith /iot aprefeming of things to vs : it is not pojfeffion but ex* iKom.iT^'. peUation.And this the Apoftlc confirmcihjfaying, that s weewalke ^ faith and not fypghtithat wee arefanedtfrhope^bm hope which is fteni of OrigWAUflme after "Baptfin^^, 257 pg»e is no hope ;thtit^^ vee watte for the adopt ion ^ euen the redemption . „ . ofourlfodiesy^theredempttonofpo[fijjion^ as it is rightly called, /oiEph'.i'.iJ*. thepraife ofhUvlory. How is ic chac hauing alrcadic recti ucd *""'"''''''/*'»» adoption , wcc yet lookc for the adoption ; that be already re- ''"''^'"*^"* deemed, we yet looke for a redemption; that being regenerate in ChriftjWe yet cxpedtarcgcneratio^biit becaufc the fruit & cftc6^ & fi«r3«/L »- fubrtanccofouradoption,redcmption,rcgcneration,thcadoption/'.'5'rMj,.i«f»W' rcdcmption,regcneration o^ pojfejfion remaincth yet vnperfornicdS'^y;;^;"- - vnto vs? Wc rccciue now >■ a fir (i fruit s^2n6 feme fmall beginnings, ^'^"^ '«"f'» qt*m as forataft/ofor a plcdgc& anbrancc ofthcrc({,hut^ in comparifon^cZutmef:/?. of that thatjhall heat the r^fftrreElion^ the life that norp t4,us hut euen 'P'lag.Ub.j^.ctf.-j'. dmg, as S.yii^ftm faith. Therefore M. B,pjo^ Hretchcth the pre. fjrJ^aih£!,iT lentclFc(Sof Baptifme too farrc, when hcc faith, that in the man"*""*'''''- netv/jf kipti<.edjthere is MO more finne left then wm in Adam in the^DanM^ptj^-uo"* fl.tte of mnocencj. This is no Catholiquc dodtrinc;it is mecre here- '^"i: »'^'«»»«>m lie, itiibutthedreameofthc Pelagians. Sothey faid, th^t"^ menUl^efSt'^'' inBaptifme are perfeSlly renevfed^and "" that they cannot he called the ° "'^^"-"^^^r*- . fannes of God vnlejje they he made altogether without /tune* find this cxtjlimctjiitm" by ALBiflfopt dodlrine, is not oncly gained by the Sacrament of '^^^'^''^''""'° '^"Z* BaptilrnCjbutalforencwcdcuery while by their Sacrament of pcf iL'J> iH»xem!am mncc, M.Btfhops abfolution , if wc bclccuc him , will fet a nian^^^^y^^'^^^* for the prcfcnt zi free from ftnne as Adam tvas in the ^ate ofinnoceney, furiuum.Uan- Fie vpon thefc lewd paradoxes; why do they delude fimplc foules'^^i'';f/^^^^^_ with thefc hereticallpofitionSj which they thcmfelucs in their ov^ngoqmdtm^&c.Eji confcicnces muft neceflarily condcmncf Wc hauc heard bcfore/;^J^^^'^^'^ how B^/?/ condcmncth this alfertion of pcrfc£l puritie attained in/^'W['- j49o[ile'woHldnotrayXhoH(ihourotitwi>ard man be corrttPted , yet our que fptniualiA > ■> , . ' ^ i y "^ i J t- I I • i r fapk (jia tarn ft-tnvpardmart ts renewed from day to day. tor he that ts renewei from fit,intanutmre- ^^y^^ ^^y^isnotyetwholy renewed^ andfo farre asheeis not jet re* wfomfpefaa* nev0ed,\o farre is hejettn hisolde e^ ate. Ther fore the Apoftle exhor- .jttnt donee ejutm ^^^^ ^^^ fatthfu/l baptfz.ed to pat off the oli many &c. which they Bapriftno quam- (IjoHidnot bee Warned to doe J ifm Bapttfmett were perj-ectly done at- ficrem/n^p!c^ r^^i^/f . Agditie he faith, that "■ a man by fpirituall regeneration is momm,tamen ft-vholy in hoDe,bm indeed is yet bm in part renewed, ind propofcth it IfihLoZteSr ^^^ a thing, ^ fpeciall/ to be regarded and remembred,that ene/y for- ferfeSa in Bap- gtuenefe of(innes is full andperfe^ i t Baptifmey and that t he quality mZ7'd!cZef''ofTnan is not forthwith wholy changed, but that the fpirituall firfi ^fofioi'{s,Etft fruits in them that go well forward by newnejfe encreafingfron^ay ta 7^So°t£qIi'deday 4oe tume or change to the fame that which is old according to the ditin iiemrtno fiifhy vntHl there bcc renewing of the whole. Now how doch this ZTrenZt»sM^<^ with that which M. B:fbop affirmeth, that not oncly the &inqmnrura guilt of finncistakcn away by forgiucneflc , buta'fo the whole r«r. tTbiot and deformity thereof is quite abohflied in Baptifme, and adhiicinvetajia-{Q\\ j^nJ pcrfedltighteoufncffc atchieucd therein ? If oncly for- w*^'S'»l)profi(tentibiu de die in diem noui- utttcrefientiffmrnutfire inhq^nQifxrmihter vitns ejl iomt mum reniHttur. j,wlio ii\i\-\^^lVeh4uc m now ' Hi'.^r.mV^ti, a TKAtter mwglednitb v ,whichu fnbieH totheiawof fttinenndde.ith \)ml^'t'!^lmm»c andthat tnthe houfc of th^j mart all and weal^fl':P}^ne gather a l!lotof*^>^"^""»»^ cmnptionhy the focteiy thereof, and '^nt ill the body bee glorified into "Z'r7u^Ug.'tijut the nature of the fpirit, t here Ctinnot bee tuvs the nature of true life\P"'^''^^<>^'^xix th.it this worldt^ not the land of the Umna.bttt that Wee are heereflillto cr^^J «r«T»«. bee cleanfed bj reafonofbeing blended with the car ion f of concti-f''"'*!'^'^'""}^'^"'^ pifc€nce)and that thi^vras the thing figured tntheUw^ where a man TJ'c?Mctn{oruo VfOi vncleane for touching any dead body . Surely if in rhk life wcerc- '""['*^'^"r,ae m- majncllilliiicafccobccieanrcd.it'rhrfebc ftill a bict of corrup- LfZ'.jmfpZtm lion by rcafonofconciipifccnce ftillclcauing faftvntovs, yiid it "'^"'f •^itKvn.e can be no othcrwiletiJrhc body bee glorified into cue nature oK/r^»ar«r,r,^f. che fpirit,thcn it is vctcrlv falfc, as indeed n is, to fay that in Bap- ^n' ''/"' '"'""'* /- /;r/ f rr • i' r J r y-in , ' tft'iuioMmrtgh. tijme all filth of (awe ts cleane fcourea out of our foHliS. But whei eas «^'« '-'<"» ejfc x*- all men iind by experience both in thefclucs and othf rs.that there "J'''""-fi*- «»f • isa wondtnullprauiryand coniiption or nature (till cQnnfA\\r\^ypr-!figtrar,07,'.m whereby wee arc allforwird to that that is cuilf, and'altogether J|JV,^^J''^^'J^'" backwaidand vnto.vard to goodncfle, to prcuent the obie(5lion admfcimur mot' hereof, AI. BiP^op acknowjcdgcth a remainder of fomc what , but '^"'fjutl^mfa hce q.uhficth the opinion thcrirof with fauoui^blc ar.d gentle '^"''■"-^"V'^if' tetmcs.He Cinhythar defefls andi^ffrmitiej rcmainc in vs, n.arry, in '*^'^'^'' nocdfc nni(t wee thinkctliem tobcefinncs. But theic defers and iw^r/wm^j-are (uch,asfor whichit is trueofvs which Saint Aujiin {Anh,^Rcfuwiuadhucfiliftr£,(benonfuwus, Byreall Jfate andbe^ . „. tng vpe areftuUhe children of math; n ts in hope as touching Xfbich ne yfaU-j. are not fo.Ho^ are wc yet the children of wrath, but by hauingin ' vs the matter ol *that irrath wherervithtvee were all borne , which xWPfaLio... whatisitbuconcly finnc?Thcfe ^f/t*^/ then and infirmities, what ^"//^^JJ^^„.^^ are they properly and in truth but orftly fmne ? But AI.Biflio^ in "■adepr»;,-,g!»e vfingchcfetermesaliudcthtoi'. y^«y?/«,w ho oftentimes locallcth m'ajjl'^Tuu. coof upifccnce and the lulls and motions thcreof;which if he did in the fame meaning 25 i*. x/ai/?/» doth, thciefliculd bee no matter of great qucflio betwixt him 5r vs YoxS.Aufitn calktU concuptfcence ...^ ^ J.i'n .. 1. /I 1.- _»l l...^-^L_ C._i;n_ J condition of nian,luchad(fc6l,if we wil rocalit(lcrvscalii''^ci'»'-[j"'^ y^ ^^ ^^^ rMp(ion,z^ he himlclf cxpoundcih it) as ^ by rcafonwhcr of the fame S. pn.sccf.t. Ct3 jHfiin 24^ OfOrigmAUfime after Buftifmt^. a Dscinit.Dei. It. Aftfiin faith jthat HO mm lining ^all be found nghteotu in the ^ght of l^"^"V , , God.^s vvc haue feene before. It hvittam, fuch a ^iout afimnad yiqljfeoffftjgffe hindring , that ' wee lone not God mth all onrfcnle. joKcieritraMrmn ^ dimtni^tysgthat fi^iritHalldelight that vre ought tohaue w the law of irSmTeUc- ^^^' ^"^ ^ ^^ is (tftnexvhea there is not that loue in vs that ought to bee y \aiioni[m^am or the fame if JeJJ'e then it 9f/ght to bc. Bu^it'is iiot onely after Bap- jri'S'.'i^flto-tifsTfiethati', /^?//?/« giuerh ta coiKupifcence ihis name ofvit/um, luhCo?ukLcur adife&,ovT^th€iaviceor vitioM^ijiaaln.-e i hcccalJechit from the 't'oftaf^ct iii-ff hzgm^\n<3j vitiftm rth it " vtttum mortuum, a vice or vttiom qualttj that is novi> hCc»t.uL!ib.i. ^g^,i^ becatiffj faith he, it is dead oa touching the guilt wherewith tt '$m7oVt*t'i!i\uch^ldvSy but othowifcitiiueth f^ill. H.-e calleth the lufts thereof Mi tent' au i vitia acfHorum'reati abfohtti fuhiPu: vices from the guilt whereof we are re leafed, importing llill, that faue the guik they arc ftill the VvkhAe picmo^^^^ that they were before. Tnercfore albeit hee forbcare the Orii^cont.i. Ft nameof/5»»^ aftct ^aptifme, intefpcdthat they haue not theef- S'l?Srj:^edoffiiinetG make guilty before God , becaufe they are alrea- tu(iiti.t>einLt, die patdoned, ye J he canaot bee fippofed otherwife to exclude *rLi!!!ntnc llo- ^^^^ ^^^^'^'^ ^^^^ natutcand nnme offinyie. They did make guilty bc- }rie,fn»to'versq--, fore, and fhould make guilty ftil!, but that they are pardoned, itlfJ*/erfpTr'^ which cannot agree but to'finne onely. And this did Ptghius a fid mnporeCt. fricttd ofM. 5//7^(?/>J fcc Tcty well, "^ tint ic is impolTrble, that the coJ!iinf.Ui!c.'i^. nature ofyi^/j^.and pIic nature oi'conctipifcence abiding {-Jii the fame, SicutmoLiiicor- ^U^icconcupifcence before Baptifnie iiiould be finnc, atid after i?ap- Etl^:j"ru%7 tifmefliouldbec no (inne. Now as both before Z>^aptifme and af- iliioi-u>i operate jgr ^aptifme it is called by S. Aaftenadefetl, (o \$ it alfo calied, w- contagioyidejl, „ ■ r ■ t r n- I /f cocu^ifcen'i.e af. prmit as.amnjirmitie^ianguor ,afntntnejje or weal^nejje fiOi growing fiaii-^ficy.tdepa.- ofabarepriu3tion,asl laid before, butofa vicious conftitistion, rentibusmoibiUii ^ i ii i I • i • i i r l ■ i i morbicU faba'ti a corrupt andcuilj nabite,whichthfrelorc he comparein to a^ cor- fioimtHr. rupt and noyfome diftcmpcr of the body,whcrby difcafes arc pro- pagated of OriginAlipnne after Baptifrtc^. 2 4 1 .pagatcdin p^cncrationfrom the parents to the children. The Apo- hlcexprcflhh the whole corruption of mans nature by the name ofi»fiymiiyor v^eakKe([g^\;!ha\ he laiih, ""JVhenweewere jct tnfirme mRom ^.t. orrveake,ChnJid,edforvs, Whereas ^.Auflm witncflhh ihc Apo- ;y":f;/fjf„;j^ ftlc, by" /»/;>wronr^;z;^^,mcancth tW lame a*s lie doth when hce '»»«?'«" »'«/>;<>;.• {d\'\\\\T\\\\<:^\7ii\y^VKgoAlj.fwners-^CKemies'V>ito Codjnfirwitie thcr- f'cdi^.^c!'" ftreimplicth and iinpoHcth fiHtte.vngodlhjeJfe, cftmtj ajr^if^Ji God oDeTnmtM-i Thvis doih Jtt/}t» fiy.that " in^rmityfeemeth a Itqht ma'iter , hut jet Jw'wJ'«r';«?' fomttimes it is fnch m tljAt h is Called impictj. And thub doth hccall ^""■'■">A-^"i- thc penalldifcafe of Originall finnc,P aninfirmttie , as before was lT,>„/Jr^,Ji- fayd. This is 1 Li/tgnor qtio bet^e vitiendi virttu peryt , the fAtntiyig "'"•"«'■• iveal^neffe rvhcrehjf rvee loft the power of lminguell,oii\ex\\i\k by hxm^wJ.&rtm'ijfM. tQimcd' vulntti qtiodvttlnerant ipfamvitam auarei}e V:Hchatur\a ^-^'A-'T* liPouyidthutivouHueth that it^evcberevy man (tiottid Ime artght. Jms cupifcUb.i.cA.i\ infirmttie S. Aujlm acknowledgcrh euery where to continue ftil'. rlf"'" /- I /- • L /I ^ I T, V . /• I r ' i Deptcctt.txer, * /r /J- w/,he laitn , »>«(?/; co»ft*f?jeat» Baptijme: * 0/// and for it wee & rtmf]:h..cap. hmefiitlcAtafe to cry, Haue mercy vpon me, for lam vt>eake\ " with it 1'^Xpi'xqu.t wearefiill to rvrajtle anditrttitfa lon^ m we here //«^, which being the i.'/- •v""' """*• fantc thatitw3sbeforc,Vi»«rrJ7r*/^r/^;W/ ofGod^'' rehelltng a-'^^ltZU gatnfl the Uir of God, tliotigh the guile thereof bee pardoned , niuft iCof,'..2.epifi. Pe- needs in it fclfe heft»ne^aiit was before. And thus much of Af. Bi vfrnntTicin, Pj^pnMfoIf4l>h argument,comi\n\r\o nothing in it againrt vs, which w/f*"-* »»« do- thcancicnt Church dothnot wlioly difauow. fiZ^^"" u Imd. H.tc iufr- rnititt cum qua vfque ad corptrii mortem dcfeHu^ frofeclu tt'termnte cantendtmus. x Galjthians 5. 17.- y Rom.7;i/. II. W. B I s 1^0 p. 2. ObteEl. Euery finnc is voluntary, and not committed with- . out the confenr ofman; but this concupilccncc whereof we talke, h3thnoconfcntofman;butrircthagainft his will : therefore is no finne. A{,PerktnsaMfi*ereth:T\\ni(\iQ\\z&.\ox\s^.zs 3iVC vfed ofonc man towardkanothcr,mull be voluntary, but finne towards God may be committed without our confcnt. For cuery want of con- formiticvnto thcbw.cucn in our body,al(hough3gainft our will, befinnes in thcCou.'tofconfcicnce. Reply : Full Uttle k^wrret this mdnivhat belotjgetb to the Court ofconfciencei thefeeret faults indeed be examined JfHt nothing ii takenfer ftnne bjany one learned in that X4 /"^'*^'/» 24^ ofOfiginallfmne after BaptifmL^. facfi/tie^ which is done without a mdntfree confent : all of them hoUing mthS. Auguftinc: That finneisfo voluntary an eiiiil, chat it can- not be finne,\vhich is not voluntarie: An^ tofajmth M.. Perkins that any want ofconformitie to renfonin our body is Jinn e, is fo abfurd, t hat (t man might { tfthat vc>er§^ue)bee damnei for adreame^ how wellfoeiier dtfpofed he xventtojleepe: if he cfSance to dreume ofvncleanm ncf[e ^xohereu^on doih enfae Any emtl motion tn his fie/h. This para' doxeoffmmngvi>iihomamansconfent,isfo contrary vnto both natu- uhMviTn'B.t- ra// and ffipernatfira/Ireafonjhat S.P pjouldfinrjehe afcnbedto that perfon ^ which hatb neither Will Kor pgrver to'/inne, fodol anlwcrcto tins fcholar cf /W/rcanrhon(ftly,lliould haucaccordingly propounded the ob- ic6^ion,as,4/./*<'rj^/«/didj that theaiilwcie niigiubefcenc to bee d re(5^ and plainc, as indc< d it is. But hce thought that was not for hi run.-hclcnovveth that bv trurhandfhnplicity he cannot thriuc Tvithbnd warcs.andrhcrefott mult vie IliuHiiio and Oiiftinaforihc vttcringofthem. But let vsnowlee whnt hi; reply is to M. Per- l^n's aiifwertothat obieitinn. M. Perkins laith, that the propo/i* tion.ihat euery (in is vo/Hi^ry is a pohttke rtilr pertaining to the courts ofmen.anddoihnotholdin the court of conjctence^whtch Godholdeth in mevfheartTytn^htch euery want of conf rmity to thelaw^ is made h Jinne.Toih'vi /Vf. Bifhop anlwcretht'ui! \\\(c\y:Ltttlekn$ws this man ^ whathlvijrfth tothe court of confctence: there fe ere t faults indeed he ex.imineJ^lrut nothing is taken for ft fj by any one learned m that facuL tiffywhich is done without a mans free confent. Where v\ hen A4. Per* ktns\\Axh fpokenot <«c«i«r/ ofconfciencekfpt by GodJc\csiX\{vi a cihfif Acourt of coNfctence kept by men, and thofe,asv\'emuft vnderftand himjhisowncTcUoweJ, and (o to the purpofe anfwereth nothing. In Gods court of conftience,' ewll thoughts defile aman: what they »MaMj.ip. do in their courts of confcienc c,it skillcth not. In dods court of c6- fcicncc, ho lu(l is lo/in^ becaufethe law hathfaidfThcu (halt not lufit J^^-7-7' it is a figne that they hauc no confcience, that kecpe a court ofcoii- fcicnce to ludge againftthat that God hath iudgcd.that to lull ii no (innc. In Gods court of confcience, e allvnrighteoufnejfe isfinne^ and r i.iohn j.17. ihcrcforeall/Mw^rr^ffwo/r^tf/.^w^becaufcitis vnrighteoufncflc,*r ^/2«r;if their court of confcience determtncothcrvvifcjit mult abide the ccnfuf c of his court,and rccciuc check and charm from thence. In 244 oforlgindlfinne After "BA^tiJmLJ. In Gods court of conscience is required '' all the he Art , anA All the {>Di^'i emgi- ch^ll\ot!{es herelfyfAllinto confent offHthmeffcy ihc) monr^t & rneue c2"X?Tfl'r thereat trhen they tire avoake. He rcachcih bis hearers ' not to to thir.k?*"-*^'"^'^"'^ r»{ich to .ijl^e God mercy for ft, when concnpifcence (0 fnarcth them to do fj^""*'"''' "^'"f tiuii CO tb:mrvhen thej are i\jleepe,^vhtch It c.m>7oc doe irhen they are ''*I'>*i>>«>f iu{e. And this he bimfclfe bemoncth ro God coccining himfcjfc, lilvISfe^' >.'oi o-'ily the dchght^tut alfo the confent and a^ thiii he admit teth in ^oncufifctmut fc his f/>f/.,cjliing tr.o(clafc:uiofismo!io>7faJIck»cfcofthefofi!e^&c[Ay- vf^cluJ^l^ ir,g d.ac the (oulethereincommttteth itfilthinejje ofcoritintion^:in{\ Ij- (ii"o»f<''um fuch fancies" thefeedof^efieratioah^d iflued by nighr,thcourw3rd ^iJmm.ftT'ul'n ■ vnclcanncfle fcruingtoaduertifcofthatthatis withm. And to the ■^fTy''^c^':fcnfit. clc^riiii^cHiiS whole poinr,tbar/;« nuybe vthere the will conrcn-y7w7/w;/7i>r. tcfhnoc.wcnuiy very probahlymakcapplicationoffiindy otiier ^"*'*"J^ »"""" poiliittotu tiiat arc noted m tlic Jaw of Mojei, arid.' g or thole tilings u»guoref amvu wiiicii were cither natural or cafuall, wit hour any procuremct thcr- ""•<^'c;;fPf'/<- I II irT' • I -1 1 • I T 1 r- I f'jf /'/.«f»A^'/ff- otbythevvlll.\Vi^lcll0r<•^'J7p!alncIyappr()ueth,whcn^peaklngof f«n the nature ■'^''''•^;' t.ttifftit lio vi featur effj po/lura,ex cdp.t ■emt vitiut/i i» /j:;o fii^ft qii.v'u per tiidiciuni fa'fefi'. hw/ntntn t'.nfA'ornff- tJt,vr l>oi/:o ijin cu ptm i'fn:e£crft:rHUit ,(atum tu!{-. ^oritt ininuv. ^.UiX. Ke,}. i i.n-f/ie dfiunu tx dtltci^uone /int i/OiUH- t.ttiif tJt, qi'.dm fort at inM'.itK of 246 OfOrigMlfime after B^^tijme, pfman for chacfinnc, that voluntarily was committed In the bc» ginning by man. Which fcfueth him for anfwcr to thofe two pla- ccso^Anfltn which healleclgeth,twoasliecitcth thcm,butinclccd but one, and that in the booke and chapter which hse quotcth h[\\ for in the other place Auflim hath no fuch words. He faith indeed, . t\\dLi'^ (inne is fovolttntary an etiilly 04 that inno mfc it i^ (inif it be »ot verJ^hg.'cap.i^, volnntary^andthls is fam(tKif([i ^Mthatfictthsr the fmalr.Hmber of the fu^ra.fea.i. learned ftor the multitude of the vnlearned dod/Jfevt therefrom. But as he faith fo, (o hc^imfelfe telleth vs in whatnieaning hce faith it, r xemsiMA. which M. ^/yZ^op J- learning fhould not haucb^ne ignorant of. ' It "^•'^' mtift be vnderfrood of that //>/«? ,(aiih \^Zy\vhtch is anelyftnne^ not which isalfothefHntlhment offtn; thatis to Ly .of Aciinatl, notof^Ori^irfail ^nne. But it is Originallfime whereof we heredifpute,and therfotc by S.AuUmey owne interpretation, thofe words make nothing a- gainfi vs: albeit OriginallttnMedMo was voluntary by the will ©f the firft man, as before was faid. Now therefore the vnlearned learned ■ men of whom he fpcaketh, are learned cnough,to fee that he wan- ted not onelylcarning^but difcretionalfothus rovrge againft vsa faying ofAnJline againrt the ManicheeSjW hich the fame Attjiine to falueitagainft the Pelagians, hath expounded in our behaltc di- redely againft him, • • i2. W. Bishop. The third re'afonfor the Caihohkeiii this : Where the forme of a- ny thing is taken a way.thcre the thngitfclfeceafetii : but inbap- tifme,theformeofOriginallfinncistiikenawayj er£a M. Perkins pjifteth in ajfigntng a wrong forme: affirming vs tofaj^ that 'the forme of Ortgtnall ^,nne n the guihineffe of it' tvhich weholdto heneiiherthe x.3.?-^ Mt.i* forme J nor maPte'r oftt , but as it were thefroperfaffion follomng it. See S.T\io\Xiis:xvho dehmreth for the forme ofOriainallfinne^ the prtttati- on ofOriginalliufiice^vohtch iuflice made the willfHbiell to God. The deordination then of the xcill^ Miftyes and commander of all o- ther points in man-made by thepriuation of origin alliitfi ice ^is the forme ofOrtgtn4ll(inne: andthe deordinationof all other prns of man, (which by a common name is c ailed concHp'tfcence^ as thut learned DoUor no- tethyjis but the materiall part of that finne,fo that the t»ill of the rege - tjeratf being by grace through Chriji reUified^andfet again in good or' der of Origin Allfinni after Bxptifme. 24: der tti^Ards the Uvt ofGodjhefcrm ofOrigtnaH/inne, which conftfteth in ditrdtHAtton ofit^is taken ^uite away hjpdpttjm, and fo confeeftttmty thefime ttfelfe, which canugt i>e vnthoMt bi4priper forme /ts theargH- ment doth sonuince. R. Abbot. Ofthcfirftpropofition of the argument thcreisnoqucftion,6e- , caufc thecflcntiall forme giueth to cuery thing to be that that it is, Tlic queftion then i$,wherin confiftcth x^z forme of finne; what it is that giueth to it properly the nature & name of/7«. M^Bifho^ faith, that Af. Perktfif^tfteth in njfignmga wrong forme; yet heaflignech \ in their bchalfethefamc/»rwr that 5.^«/^/«r doth, andinafmuch j as they make S. yiujiine the ground of their opinion, there is great [ rcafon, that they (hould vndcrftandy7»»tfinthefamemanncras5. I jiujlme dioih. Buthecreinappeareth their fingular falfliood, and they (hew plainly ,rhat they allcdgc him but only for a color,know- ingtharifiheytake/wintheiamc meaning as he doth, their opi- nion cannot (land. Why do they bring vs Anfim to prcue for the, that c*»ff«^//f*»ftf««^7?««*5W hen in one meaning it is that he deni- ethit, and they deny irinanothcr?S./^«/?/>7r,as before I hauc (he- wed, placeth the nature ohftnne in the eftcc^ of it, which is, to make a man guilty. When itdoth notfo; he vndeiftandcthitnottobe Jtnne,oppoCmofane not iorighteoujntjj'e, as we vndcifland it in this quelh'on, but to remt[fionandforgiHeneffe of finne sW^: faith, that ' to '^"l"fi-^»"ff begmlty of finne ^ is to haue flnnei not to be guilty f§f fime , is to haue no cxp i*.fuj.rj. (inne. ^ The baptisied is without all ftnne, but not witkontaleHiLthatt^ ("^■'- , ,. idlth UCfhe IS without thegwlt of aileuillj not without the euill n felfe. e.ca.s-fufrt. And thus much m infinite places he giueth to vnd*. rlhnd. So fane ^*^'^' therefore a$yJ««*implieth^Wr, he dci\Ki\\concHp$fcence in the re- generate , to whom ic is torgiucn , to bee any longv:r yT^wr be- caufc they are not thereby holden^«i//7,andin this weoainfay him not, bccaufeitis butas if heHiouldfayjihatthouoh in jtfclfc it hc/iine, yet to thefaithfull it is as it were no /inne ^ becaufc it is not imputed for fane y whereto willingly wee accord. But the qucftion is , whether in it owne nature it bee not fuchjas that it fliould make gmltte^ fauc oncl/ that it is pardoned , and that did 24^ OfOriginaUftme after Baptijmg, did 4S.y/A(/?/wtfneucrdeny,asbeforc hath bccneprooucdrJic confcf- (cth it to be *= fuch nn euill^ aspjoHlddraw vs vnto euerUjiing death, vtjufr*, 0„fiji^orhemgittvs^bi4t that the guilt thereof is r^wm^i Now this cannot be affirmed of any thing but that that is properly and truly pnHe^ and therefore it cannot be doubted, but that S, Aufiine did takccoKcupifcenceto befinfte, according to the true and proper vn« derftandingofthenamcofy?»w. This true and proper nature of Jfme,is before flic wed to confift in a defc6l, obliquity or fwaruing from the law ofQod.For the 1 aw ofGod is the true image and dc- fcription, and pcrfed rule ofrighteoufnes,3nd cucry declining fro rfi.iohns.iy. the rulcofrighteoufnefleis vnrighteoufncflc^and ^allvfirtghteouf- VilmxontT.Tr'o' »^j^'-f j5'««/?xlearningcannotauoidit,butthat itmuft necclfarily be concluded to be /?««#, But yet to giuc forae (licwofauoiding ir, he fcndeth vs to ThomM A^hwosxo learne of him now in the end ofthe world another forme and definition oijinfte^vihich is,the dc ordination of the xvilli fo that howfoeuer other faculties and powers be diftorted and corruptcd,yct mud we thinke there is no finnc fo iDeuti^.yi '^"8 ** ^^^^^ ^^ ^" integrity and right difpofition ofthe wil.Which Luc.10.a7. pofitionisabfurdlyfaIfe,becauferA/?//«*. will naughtily rcfolued aoainficonfciencc and truth. All men find, Llm'Ji'xim/j^t all men fecandfeelein thcmfeluc9 and others a great diflortion, a '■[' ""'*K"'-' .T 11 J If /T i- -11 » , . - , ^d ie> feci tent croliencs,a crookcdnes and vntowardlinciie or will. And if there tuturx diffc bethatcure and healing ofchc will of which h^fpeakcth, what ^"'■^'•""''"'''■"'^ hindcreth that there IS notpcrrccr rightcourncfle?For ' there fhottldo Depcccaxmer- heperfc^ rigbteou/nejJe^izkhS.Audxnc, if there veer efo great will at "a'^^hWult ffijficeth for fo (Treat a matter. And that the wttl it leffe hereto then it homines fice^ ought to he, ■" ex vicio eft, it is by reafon of ° ^corruption, an imperfe- V^^ 'uliTtetKu titonwhereby there is fcmewhatvi'antivgto theperfcfiioft of it. Andif »"y^«w/?:./7«e therebcrtillacorr«o//o«, anda wancofpcrfeilionin thewill,rhen 1'"'^'"'"^'^''i''\- the will is not yet fully rcdiffied; and bccaufc the will is not yet ful- i^" vckcmtnum licreaificd.finneremainethflill, for finne faith /T/.Z?//^^;;, is the ^^r<^!^'l^ dcordinntionofthc will. Butirisfurt(her to bcobicrucd, that to ««'« A- ««"""'". thr pcrfea rca.fying of ihe will, belong cleare light of vndcrfbn- SS;;;:: ding, and pcrfc6l delight oflouc. Pov therefore h^^ne menno vpllIr■l'^;^'"i'f"^& to that that is iufl, either becaufe they i^now it net to hemp, or hecAhfe Jun-Vt^'mptc'i- they delight not in it . Forfo much the more earnflelj do we will any ""^ ioluHta:tr,t tht»(7j by horv much }he more certainly we k>tow how good it island more *rlmnl*m7!us earneftljf are delighted th^rin. Therfore ignorance and inHrmitte{x.ht '<"'•'"*-■'■•''''*<'/'- oneinthcvndcilUnding,andcheothcrin thcwillitfclkjb.Mnf the ^J^y ■'^""'*' ' two penalties ofeiieryfotile of man) are defaults or corrupttons hinde- ^ ^'^l^^ xr-jr. ring the n ill both in the doing of that that is goody and efchenirg of that 'Ln, ^i,. w^^jv. that is chilL So long then as thefc defaults oUgnora'nce andtnfirmity "^'j;;^'" ^^ ^'S^- do 2 7 o efOriginaUltme after 3Aftifm^^, dorcmaine fo long there cannot be a pertecS rc(Siifying of the will. But ignorance and tafrmity are not taken away in baptifmc.T here forcbaptifmc doth not vvholy take away the dcordination of the will of the fornmcr of i^jcfc, it is maniffft which S Arnhrofehwh^ ' Allthe Saintt are i»^/had0a> fo U»gas the) are in the body : they do V^^ii'fer notfeeperfe^ljf^ bm knoxv m part onely. He karncd it of the ApoRle QmntifanEiiiH dying' ff^e k>iotv t/t part, vce prophecy in fart \ we [ee through a glafft '^'^^miTrtitic in *^'**h^J' And if it might be fo faid oftbc Apoftlcs,how much more ■tarpm-nonftf i> it CO bcc vndcrftood of the common condition and ftatc of men? tfpi^'eZjlf. VVe cannot but acknowledge much bhndnes,much erroiir, much fuMt. irapcrfcdJlion of knowledge , and therefore rcloiue that the vndcr- >«r uConi^.p. landing cannot giuc due information to the will. And fo long as we are thus weakein knowledge, all other things niuft needs be vnpcrfc6i in vs-jbceaufcwc cannot louc beyond that wc know,nor delight beyond our loue.Thcrc fore oixr loue is vnperfc6l,our dcfirc is vnperfed',our dehght is vnperte(^,and yctnot oncly becaufe our knowledge is vnpcrfc6i, but aKobccaufe wc baue yet recciucd not the perfcdion, but hhefirfifrmts oncly of the fpirify by whom ail /K9m.j.»j. thcfc things arc effected in vs. For this caufe S.A»fii»e eucry where acknowledgeth, that this et he cannot find one corner \v here ht canin fafety fhrowd himfclfe. .^- : ^ 13. W.B I SHOP. OfOrigimUfime after BapUfm^^, 2^1 13. VV. BitfHOP. 4. ObieB, Lartly faith M. Perkint for our di'fgrace , they al- ledgc that wc [a our Dodrinc teach, that Originall finnc after bap- cifmcjisdnly chppcdor pared hkcthchaircota manshcadjwhofc roots rcinainc in the flefti, growing and incrrafing after they bee cut as before, Hf>4«J"' rA), that they teach inthcveryfitft inftant oftheconuer(ionofafinncr,(inne to rcceiue his deadly wound in the roof, ncucr after to be rccoucrcd. Conferre thu lajlanfxver rvith his former da^rtne {good %eader) Mfidihou maicj} learne what credit is tobe gtnen tofuch Mafters^no more conflant then the mud. Hecre finnc is deadly wounded in the root, there it remaineth flill-with al thcguiltineircoFit, although notimputed,therc it rtillmakch the mantofinne,intanglcthhimiii the punifhimcnt offinncand ma- kcth hitn miferablc : AH thu he comfrehended before in this firfi rea- ftn, andyet b/ufijeth not here to conclude ^ that he holdeth it Mt thefirjii Neither chpped nor ^arcd, but polled vp by the roots : Indeed they doe him a fauoHrjtvhofay that he holdeth ftnne to be clipped , and as it nere raz,ed,for albeit haire raz^dgrom out againejet if there none for M feafon : but this Origipalljinne of hts is alrvaies in his regenerate^ in vigour to corrupt all his rvor^^andio make them deadlj ftnne s. But let '^hisfn^icefor this matter, R. Abbot. This obicdion they hauc borrowed of the Pelagian herctikcs, who altogether denying Originall finne, and acknowledging on- icfinsa6tu3llby voluntary imitation and cuftomcj defended that hofe being pardoned and forgiuen in baptifme, a man was made *ully and perfecfliy without finne. When therefore the Catholikc JjfhoppesandPaflours of the Church, didteach that after bap- ;ifmc there was ce«f«{);/c#«f* (hll remaining, whence did grow willrooMons and lulls, tempting andentilingto finnc and wic- cdnclFe , they heereuponfell tocauillingin this fort , that ^fmues a ^uf^ijl-cwt. ieuwere not wholly remitted^ and that Baptifme did not t^ke away %'',\'clf.i\'^^' tnnes, butonclj yare them and (haue them jo, as that the rootesdtdfi*prif*iif> hll fli ke y whence other ftnne/ fljoy/d grow agame in lil'j fort to fee cut off. Now, ihis Saint Ausline dcnicth, and tcachcth that R baptifiiic > 2 y 2 OfOriginaUftme after Bafttjkc^. b z>»aww j^/.r»/i baprtfmc oiucth to the regenerate br^-w/iTiow and releaCeofaHptif, ma dare ommhm ij,/ rr r i r r i rt t J^ V- iriduigen:M>npec- afid doth »ot pare ojffams[crimf»A,faMlts ofbehauioHY (-r cotttterfatim ^"^"'"'"^'"'fi^ oft)bHt dtfthvphofytaht^emaxfay, bccaufeof adiuall finncs, which recrtr.nnamnra- ^ , , it i » t i t • i i . dtreMommum oncly and no Other thcy acknowlcdgcd, there remai/ieth nothing fcccatorum radices when the fimc Sfc fofgiucn and pardoned. But as touching conctf neantur. pifce»cff, faith hce, / hold that they are deceued anddo deceiue others, )mfif*(fmTIfX '^'^^ ^^^^^ ^^^ regenerate hathflill to fight ^albeit he haue vpe/l profitedj Ueoscrc.ioveiftu' awdbeguided bj the fpir'tt of God, Yet this he faith, if «'^ '^ not imputed for y?««r,becaure thegutlt thereof dr awn bj baftiyttui et hoc generatioTt^ts remitted And forgtHen by regeneration. Now this rtf«- ^ftfidulfiitu CHpifcence, as*?. Ambrofe^mWn^njaUradtx^An emllroote\^ radix deiagiturpia me- omniummalorunt, the roote ofalleuils ,{a\t\) Auftine, euen as charity if VJilShfr'^pO' (he roof of allgoadnep^ fromrvhicb rootoi' co*icupsfcence he faith a- log.Dmidc^p.\i. g^inz^that all jinnes doff ring and grow. Thus S.Aujiine confcffcth Da^il? that albeit there bcrcmiflion of finncs in baptifme, and nothing re Sidemdeverb. rnaliiingof anf a\Nhathit\^ Kiugu^.cDHt. dereth, butthatthat which isdeadly wounded^ may truely be faid to •I'*^^'li'>.^.Cutra. fg^ainefim S, Aufitn fo fpcakcih: •• It i^ dead as touching the guilt Vfberi' OfOriginalljtnrje aft^r Baptifm^_j. 2 H wherewith it heldvs^ and vntiHtt he healed hy per feSl Ituriat, itjliilre- heHeth bei>^gdtad,\c2 but Af.Perl^nt faith, tt remaifteth (itll vtth blithe gHtltine^e of It ^^Itbough not impuied.But I aiifwcr him, that he abufcth Af. Perkins^ who for this matter (topped this wranglcts mouth in the aiifwcr Ijft before, and he diflcmblcthic as though he faw ic not. The guilt ofyw he faith renuincchp'3'^«/;^, bewufe it hath nor now the fj me power to rebcll,a$ it had before to raigne,and if fomeiimes it do gather power againe, yet doth it neuer totally or finally rccouer the kingdonie ihatic had, orpreuaile vttcrly to feparate the /"aithfull from the loucof Chrill,iis naturallyit doth, butby the fiift ftrokc andwoundthatic rcceiued bythcgraccofChrirt, becommethintheendeucry way and altogether dead, and is vtterly abolifhf d , ncucr to be againe. He further alleagcth, that^.feM^w/fi- ft faith, ih^tconcMptfcfnce m*k^tha man tofinne^int^nglet h htm in thepuntfhment ofjin^and W4- \(^th htm mtferahle ; zu^yet here blnf^jet htiotte eonclnde, t hat hee hoi- deth it-at the Hrfi neither clipped nor pared^ 1>M( pulled vp by the rootes. But where doth he find this conclulion m M.PerJ^tKs \^(yi(S)i?S\MC' ly the paper u hereon hee wrote this, would hauc bluflied if ithad hadaforchcad.forvery ihame, tocary thercpottof (o maniftft a lie. But Ictthc paper doewhatit will,/!/, u^z/^o/^blullxrhnoi 5 for ifhc had been a man of a bluHiingface^ he had wanted the name qf bcingthe writer ofthisbooke. What, Ad.Bifhop^ \% it all one to bee deadly wounded in the root, and to bee pulled vp I y the roors?.1/. Perkins faith not any where that concupifccncc or llnnc is puUed vf kytherootiy butasainan haijing receiucd a deadly wound, yet U- ucth after war di for the time, and flirrcth andmooci:h,eucnfor<7'f- rArpz/c-^wctfthoughit rccciucadcadly wound, whcteot in the end it R 2 dicth, '2y4 of OrigmUjtm( After Bapti/mtJ. ditch, yet liucth, and rtrugleth,and rcbclleth for the time, ftirrlhg vpmany noiforacand cuill motions andlufts, from the confcnt whereof no man can fay that he is altogether free, and rbercin ma« kcth a man to /?««?, and intangleth htm t» the pHyit[hmefit offinne^ and «»4i(j«^A/OT>»;/tfy"i«^/tf,infuch fort as before hath becnc declared. I may hecre turnc A»f 4.1 ».• taineOjHt & fealed e/p to be priuate to thcmfckies ; ' a qraciom rainc. ^"■'I'rd.El'/l. I ' ^ J I I £ I en r I ^ . , ■ »07. Eft fom yff-'i rvhico Ooa hath ptit apart for the refremng of- his o.rne tnneritanc^. n^twcui a':e«us I What marucll is it il hce know not that * netvnarne which no man 'l°''"'"'"''"''^'l*\ kyiowethbHt hethatreceiueth it, bccaufe the ' wor/d k.no\veth not nor menubrnhmm J recemeth that C o m F o RTE r //?e fifrconclufion of confers, that only in thc/ Saul before he ivas Sairit Pnul^ being an Ifraelite^to whom thofe words appertained, ^er/vifading him- felfe to be very affured of his faith ^m notmthflanding foully deceiued^ Mtidwhy may notyoufarre more vnsktlfull then he^ bee in like manner aktfed? Moreouer fkppofe that this motion eon-.meih of the holy Gho/l, and t hat hfiruely fatthfJhc Lord It God, how long l^oweth heethat he fljall be able tofay fotruely f JVhen our Sauiour Chrip [efwa^u- Math.is. fet h vs that many he called^but fevp of them are chofen to life enerla~ fitng; how i^norveth he then afuredly, that he being oncecalled^ is of the predeJiinatetM..?cr\c\ns faith, that heetvhobeleefttth, knoweth thathebeleeueth. Beit fo;ff he beleeueanght, and medle no further then with thofe things ^wh/ch bee comprehended wtihtn the bounds of faith: But that the Certainety of Saluation ps to be beheued^is not to --^ he beagedbut prouedjbeinir^ the matne quejiion: he faith further that heTfhotruelyrepenteth,knoweth thatheerepenteth: hee knoneth in- (deed by many probable conie^uret , but not by certamtte of faith: as witneffcth that holy person: 4 f God come to rvic,{a4hee dcth to all re iob.5. fentant finners, I l"ha!l not fee him,and if he depart away trom mc, Jftiail not vndcrdsLud n : fVhich is /uffcient tomakjf himth.mkefyll, yea if he recetued no grace at all yet were he much beholding v»to G^d, vho offered him hts grace, ani would haue freely befiowed it vpcn htm, ■ iftt had not beene through bis oivne default. And thw our fir (i Argu- *'•' menti 2 62 of the CerUmtie ofSdmtm, ment (jtAnhin hUfHllflren^th and vertnejihut no man can ajfttre him* felfe hjf4nh ofhU SalHattanJbecoH^e there if no word of God that war* ranteth himfotodo^ R.Abbot. He was beholding to M, Perkifis^ that their rcafons being no better then they be, he did vouchfafc hereto giuc them the firft,^ place. By the firftot thcfc reafous, they labour to dcfcatevsaf all, j profitable vfeoUhc word of God, denying vs libcrtictobelecuc. anything particularly of our fclues, bccaufe the word of God doth no where fpeakc namely and particularly to any of vs, M, Per-' j^i«/ rightly anfwercth, that God hath appointed the miniftcric and preaching of hi sword,for the particular application thereof, whilcft thereby it is layed to the hartand confcience ofcucry par- ticular manjfo as that by the word of Chiift deliuercd out of the Qofpell by theniiniftcr,Chrifthimfelfc in cfFc6t faith, Corneims bclecue thou,aiid thou (halt be faucd, P^ter belecue thou,and thou (halt be faucd. M. Bifhep fomewhat dcformcth thcanfwer by his butcherly and flouinly handling of it, as bis manner is, buttho^h in more words, it is to the fame meaning that I haue mentioned. tiovi M. Perkins intended not in that anfwcr, that the miniftcr vfpcakcch to cutry man particularly one by one, but that fpeaking Atotheairembly,helabourethtomakc cucryman concciuc of that Ithatisfpokcn as particularly fpoken tohirafelfe. For the word of God beingas a Proclamation in writing common to all, the mi> j^*^' niftcr is as the voyce of the crier ^ to gme notice to that congrega- tion, that the matter of the Proclamation conccrneth them and aAa.i j.i^j cucry ofthcm, faying incffe(5l.*7!»jotd of^'^-'^^^^^-^i' maMybut oiit i^t»deedthe word ofGod^ and accordingly bdeuing it as from God, from that which he belceucth generally, frameth aconclufionrobccbelceucdpriuatly as louchmg himfchc : The Minificr faith,' Except ye re fent^ y e (hall per i(h. This he bdecucth,' ^"'^^^'J- and therefore belecucth as touching himfelfe. Except I repent, I /^ Mar.Mj. fliall pcrifh. ThcMinif^r.'aith ^ Repent and bileene the GofpeJi, and ^ ^^'' i'^'- ycfhail be faucd. Thishebclccueth,and thceeforc alfo bejceueth ofhirafclfc, Iflrepcntand beleeue the GofpcU J Oiail beclaucd. Now the Miniftcrfomciimeshathoccafiontofpcaketofome one man alone, and then hec himfelfe out of the gencrall deduceth a particular to that one man, as Paul doihtothcijyler,^ ■^^^^'^^/Aft.i^.jj, thou tn the Lord fefus and thou (halt be ^aued. For by what autho- rity PWfpakc thistothejaylcr, by the fame authority doth the Minifter in the like cafe fpeake the fame to any other man. For Chriflfaidnoihing namely as touching the layler, that if hce did beleeue he fhould be (aucd, but onely faid,™ irhcfoewr beleeueth "* ^"^^ ^'^^ Ptallbefaued. Thence the Apofiic inlcrreth : Beleeue tbouar.d thou pf.ilt befaued^bccdu(eii>hofoeuerbe/eeuethJt>a/lbe /^ued. Vpon the fame warrant therefore the Miniflcrlaith to aiy man vpon tic like occafion, BelceuethouandthoHpjaltbefaued ThiSjVvhcthtrlpokcn publikclyor piiuatlythc conicicncc of the hearer a^prehcndcth, this li 1 64 Of the Certmtk ofsdrntion, this hce belceueth, and therein bclceucth not the minifteri but the word of Chrift, and becaufe hee belccueth in kfus Chrift, and by the word of Chrirtbelceueehchat whofoeuer he^ leeHetbinhim[hallhee faued^ therefore hee bclecueth concerning himfclfcthathcfhallbefaued. Thus much is irtiplicd though not exprefTed in M.Perkjns anfwer* Now let vs heare what M. B/fh^f ^faith 10 tfte concrarie, and there wee (hall hcare not one wife word. Good Sir, faith hcc, feeing etterie ma^ is alter [asAf, Bifhop namely ~ for example) andmay Both deceiue and bee decerned^ and t he wini^er telling ma) erre, how doth 'hee knovc that the mat to whom hee jpeai^th tsofthettfimberoftheeleB / lanfwerhim :Good Sir, M. PerkiM rHo where tcllcth you that the minifler taketh vpon him to knowc I that the man to whom hce Ipeaketh is of the number of the ele<5l, Ibut doth onclyaiTure him, thatifheebelccue in Chrift hee (hall be faued; and tAcrcin the minifter knowcth,and the man to whom he fpeakcth knowcth that he mijiaket knot, iv^tfwvndcr^his condition hcrf/7«r'tf/Afe/»»fi'/y«i/«;^//tf»,becaufcheaflrureth himnot vpon any deceiueabk word or warrant of his ownc, but vpon the vnde- ceiueable Word and warrant of Chrift, lYidx^vphofoeuer heleefteth in • Rom.;.}$ . ^.^ ^ all not he confounded. He goeth on : To ajfirme mjoh doe, that the Min'tfier is to Bee beleeued at VDell atiftt were Chrifi himfelfe , U plaine hlaffhemy. I anfwcr him againe. To talkc as you doe, you knowe not what, isthepartofabrablingSophiftcr, not of a lear- ned diuinc. For M, Perkins doth not arfirmc that the minifter is cobeebclccijedaswellas Chrift himfelfe, but that the word of the Gofpcllpreachrd by the minifter, is to bee beleeued as if Chrift himfelfe did hcrepcrfonally fpeakc,bccaufeif is the word ofchrift himfelfe, who when hcc faith, vphofoeuer beleeneth fhaU bee faued, doth therein fay, Cornelitu^ belceuc and thou ftialt be faued ; Peter bcleeue and thou ftialt bee faued,or it he meanc not fo^cannot tru- ly fay, whofjeuer beleefiethjhallbefawrd. And for this hcc hath the warrant of Gods word, and commjffion from Chrift,becaufc being for Chrift a minifter of the Gofpcll, his office is to preach the Go^ pell, and it is the word of the Gofpell, that whofoeuer beleeueth in Chrift ^aUhaue euerlafling life. Therefore this is not to fay,that the minirters word counteruailes Gods word, or to make euenc pel- ting minifter Gods mate, as ihc paltry ftiaueling pratcth, but it is tochallengeJffcntandcrcdittothewordofGod, to the Gofpcll Of €fthe CertAtnety ofSaluaticn. 2 6f ofChrift, vpon which onclyand not vpon the miniftcr, thcfaiih- f ull bcleeu: r doth rely himfelfc. But to quit M. Bi/hcp with a quc- llion wc will ask him, Good Sir,niay Iob» a St fUbckeuethstyoa h^ucau.horityfrom Chrift togiue himabfolutionofall hisfinnes? Yuu will vndoubtf dly tell him, Yes, that he muft Co in any cafe. Bu: foh?i A Sttlc sisUcih igiincyl praySir,whcredothChriftfpcake of yon or of mcf Fori do notfindinihc Gofpclj that eucr Chrift made mention of cither of ys . M. Bi[hop will rell him, that Chrirt laidtothc Apoftlcs, & toailpricfts their (ucccQois y" fVhofe/ofueroJohnto.iy fvmes ye remit, they are remitted ^ and bccaufe hceisaPricft,there- forc this authority belongeth to him. So then be caofc Chrilt harh fayd to all Pricfts, whojefmnes ye remit thtjare remitted^xhowgh be fayd it to fairc other purpofe then M.Bi^op prad^ifeih it, therefore John a Stle muft bclecuc that M, Btfhop hath authority from Chrift to abfoluc him from all his (innes. Now will not Af. Bi[hop, be fo fauourable to v»,as that from a generall we may infer re a par-j ^ ticular,a5wellashe? Surely if when Chrift faid, Whofefinnesj/ere' fnit they are remitted^ heefpakcin tffedtof yl/. B//hop and lohn m. i**//*, wcfccnoreafon why wcftiould not be permitted the like conftrU(5tion,that vjhcnChvi(\Ci\th,fVhofoeuerife/eeftcth in mepiaA netperi^bm h4Heeuerla(tiHg Itfe^ he faith, and bythe minifter may ■bercported tofayincffe5ltothis manor that man, Belccuc thou in the Lord Icfus and thou {"halt hauc cternall life. This matter need not fo many words.but that wc hauc to do with impudent u rang- IcrSjWho being blinded with malice are as farre from commo dif- cretion as they are from truth. Whereupon it is that in rhc next words heecauillcthagaine, asifyl/. Perki»s\\A<\ faid that the mi- nifter l^oweswhoiipYedeJliiiaie, or did fay to Peter , for example, Thonart one of the cU^, whereas hee hath not a letter or fyllablc togiue any fticw hereof, but onclycxpreftcrh a conditional! aifu •) xance by the wo:dofthe Gofpdl to this man , or that man, orL^ whomfoeucr,that if he repent and bclceuc the Gofpcll, he fholl be faued, the minifter not taking vpon him to know that any- man cruly I epenreth or bclecucth,v\ hich God onely can know, but lea- ning the nun to apprehend tlie prcmifevpt n confcience of hisi ownc repentance and faith in Chrift. Thcicfore all this idle talke ■ ofA/.5/y^<7/>/ is but for want of mat terras his alledging of the words ofthc Apoftlc^toproucthacwhcrcofthere i$ no qucftion made, thae 266 OftheCertmetyofSdmtton. that the Lord onclyknoweth who arc his, and none clfe but only as it is rcuealedfrom him He gocth onandtclleth vs, that ^, Perkins jiieth front the ajfurance of the miniver, and leauesh'tm t^fpeal^ at randon as the blind man cafls his club. But M. Perkins flicth troni nothing that he had befoirc fayd, but ftill leaucrh the word of Chnftoncly preached by the miniftcrin Chriftsname, to be the oncly afluranccfor the faithful! to build vpon . Neither doth the minifterfpcak at random, but certainly and definitely he affirmcib. by the fame word to him that repcnteth and belccueth, that he fliallbefaucd, though he know not who it is that (hall repent or beleeue and fo be (aued; and therefore in that refpc<5l, if-^. Bi/hop will needs haue it fo.fpeakcs at random euen as the blind man cafts hisclub,not knowing whom he ftiai ftrike;as the fifherman cafts his net, not knowing what fifh he fhall catch ; nooiberwifc then the Aportles did, at whofe preaching iomc bdceucd, other foroc blafphemed and belecued not,according to that which S. Auflin p^aga/2.(/r/*^. faith, P Many heare the wordoftruth'jfome ofthemheleeue it, fom§ dtfi.pi»iijctip.6. contraditl andfpeake againft tt.So thcrfore the miniftcr as touching thcefFcdlofpreachingjfpcakethvnccrfaintly, not knowing uberc the kcfS fhall grow,but yet ccrtainely deliucring, that whcrefoeucr it fliall bring forth the fruit of faith,it(hal alfo bring forth eternal life. Which affurancehecgiueth by the word of Chrift, and the faith of the hearer thence apprehcndeth, and thereof concludeth aflurancetohimfclfc. Thus doth .^.Ptfr^wrc(errc the affurancc to the minifteryoftheword,andthu$ro the party, and no other- wife aftet then heehad done before. But fodiftinguifhtmeafTu- rancc of the heart from carnall prcruraption and floating fancies fwimmingin thehead, hcnotcth it to be accompanied with the fpiritofgrace and ofprayer,or rather to ifluc therefrom, by which the heart is fofcafoned and conformed to the voice of God, as that his word doth flill rebound from it by io} full acceptance and aflfei^ionate defire, and prayer, and purpofc, and promifc of that that is vttcredthereby.So that when God faith, "^Seeke yemjface^ qKal.»7.?. the faithfull foule anfwereth to God, Thy face Lord mil ijeekf. When God faith, ' Thou art my people /n foundeth from it backc " * ^" ' ^oi\ntJ^onarttheLordmyCod. When Chritt faith, *^//'?/5^v crtdtns. leer, opening the cares ofmyfoule to hearken vnto him, &fubduinothc rRom.s^jo.aii'ed^ions of my heart tothe obedience of his w^ll. And becaule ^/^ifj[;/?j ibjlii.iy,. and calling of G oiare withoHt repentance ,thcvt^oxc\ reft vndoubted that « hi 8 ^ tf^ ^^^^i^ (hall liue vnto the Lord, and if I die Ifhalldievnto the Lord ^ (^ - whether lime or dti^lamthe L^ordi^ neither fhalanythingfepArateme from Jbid.%,%9. flQelotieefGod^rfhfchistnChrtfilefHsoHyLord^ Thus many an boneft faithful chriftian would anlwcr M,Bifhop.^ [ko^ liis mouth as the poore hZ^Sprf ^ fimple man did the mouth ofthc proud Philofopher in the Counccll of iV/fr, that he could not teil for his life what to reply againfl him. But let *Se^.i. vs askehifninthebchalfc of this honcftman, whereas hce fjieth uafter- ^ wards, that he belccueth that he /hall haue life euerldfting J if he fulfill Jo that whichChrirt taughtfheyongmanin the Gnfpel,towit,if he keep all Gods commandements, how he knoweth char thofe words of Chrift fpokcnrotheyong manfo many hundred yeares paft, are dircdled vnto himjor that thcr is any fuch codition made with him,that if he keep the commandements heOiallenteriniolife. Lookeby v^hatiulchefliaian- fivcrvsthatthatcondition btlongerh tohim/haiil he keep' i)e com n' dements he fhal enter rntolifcjby the fame rule doththe^-?«.f/?«?.?«r3kc vpon him to beleeiicthatbccaufehebeleeuerhtn Ciirillhe Qiall haue euerlaftinglife.By the fame rule doth he hearken to all the promifcs of . Godas pertaining to him. By ihelameruledoth hcinrereft himlelfe in a4 the gracious &loueIy fpeechcs,whcrwith God from time to time hath cofortcd his people, &thcrfore as occafionferueth he puctetlihimfeif in- to the perfon& condition ofthe faints Scfaichful that formerly haue bin, into their ioies & rorows,& hopes,&fearos,&praiers, &complaints,ta- kingvntohimfdfc thofe anfwers and aflliranccs th^t God haih at any time giuen vnto thems«-.cfoluingofaIItlicieft that which in onccafe the Apolile Oftk Certainty ofSaluation, 2 6g A poftjc cxeplificth of chat rhat W3s written oithe iuflification of /f- bruhii,'' that tho^c thtn^s were not » rite for the only but forvs aljou hich ^urcs : ^iliovvis proiicd? S a. Becaufc 2 70 of the Certainety ofSdmtion* Bcc3iifc we ice not nor vndcrftand Gods coing to vs ordeparting Fro • vs.Whcrupo he inferrcthjW^/f A iifufftcient to makeaman thakfuliyed thogh he recciued no grace jet were hee heholding to Godvho offred htm hu irracet^:^ wold hane freely hePo):vedit on him,tfit hadfiot hi» through hisevpnc defaHft.NoV) what is that that is fufficicnt to make the man Ehakful?that he knowcth nor his own repctacefthat he neither fceth nor vndcr ftadethGods c5ming to him nor departing fro him?If gods vificatio be not pcrceiucd nor vQdcrftcod,v\'hat tbakscan there be or X fl conuiftion ofvnthakfulnesjDoth a man thank God & not know for whaf5or whether there beany thing or not to thak him forPho w doth he know any default in this carc,or ca fay thatGod offered him any ^racCjOr that he wold freely haue bcftov/ed the fame vpohim ?Out of doubt his ivits were a woolgathering whc he wrot chrs.or eifc bis had outra his head;yer haply he thoght it good enough for them to zdernard \vh5hemcnt it,whomu{Uhink ofthcir ghoftjy father rbathefpcaks b cypr.v'ioiot^de moft Icmedly wne they vnderliad him leatt. But let me anfwcr him cariLmUbiuChn- '^^ placc,thac indcedwc fe notGod,nor percciue him c5min£f to rworfoj9<.^«rwii«vs,or departing fro vs,but yet uc reel him working in vs,& as Ber, ffStifcltio nf>teih by the ahcratio that wc find in our fclucs.takc occafio tofay nontxntiUimiuat » H^c efimutattodexterA excelfi'.Thn chage Cometh of the Tight had of SlS/^«}- the mofl %/&:Of this vifitatio Cyfria fpcaks mott fitly for cur purpofe do tiefcio ejuo mo- h /{s the ItghtntH^ hrek^th the cloudjy^ thefttdde (htMing t her of doth not tln^itefif^.e- fi ww^h enlhhteas dttlthe eiefefottmes thou art touched mth/l^notv not Hm'tameft qui te xvhat motto 0 feelcfl thy fclf to he toftched^c!fyetfee(i »&r him that tou- rl^.Dku7tur t!bi chcth thee. There are intvardlyfpo^eto thee certaine fecret xvordt, ■which qu.cd3.m -verba ar- ffjQf^ art Kot afflc to vtterifc OS that thou cafi not doubt But that he isneer 'qulT^elre'nm thee, ye cue within thee whtch dothfo/tcit thet?^ (^ yet doth notyeeld thee ftS^w.-Jtdubita- fg fee htm as he fe^. Which words plainly fhew.that thoph a ma fee not iuxtA te e(imo God Cither commg or departing,yet be certamly knoweth & per- tnrrxteqm te fa- cejuetj-, jn himfclfc thc vvork of God. Therefore of the very words ficuti eft fe till which M.BxiicsHier.m"u'^that''tbe prejecc Of God cowtng to a TTtan ts videndim conce- xvhc he btcomethl^own tehim,& his hiding ofhimfelfistermedtheab- cHieron. j«>6./crff of^/»?^^tf/«'^<«»'«9'>in neither ofwhich wcaic abjc fufficJc'tly to i?»J«f?i)«>l- coceiuc or coprehed him.VVherby w e may fee wiih how grcar difcre fn.iafit quand* ti5 this phcc WAS broght to prouc that gods work in masrcpccace, &"q71>2"occul- is npt certamly known to him.Now thcrfore thc word ofGod is war tMrijuifabermu rat: to 3 fairhfulma to aflure himfelfofhis faluatio.For it bidderhbim '£;"'' ''"^'"" toHeleeuethe CofpelQc the gofpcl is,th2ii^t^hofoeuer beleeueth in Ch, d Mar.i.i s, /halhaue euerlafiingltfe:\\z is therforc to belccue,ihatwhofoeuer be- c lob. J. I J.I ^. igg^jgjj^ inChriiinialhaue tuerlaHinglifc.He is therforc to bclecae of Ofthe Certainty of Sakathn, 271 ofhim^circjthat bccaufc hce belccucth in Chrift lice ftiall haucc- ucrlaftinglifc.Or ifhccdocnotbdccucof himfclfc, belccuing in Chrift that he (hall hiUceuerlaftinglifCjhcbclccuGth not the Gof- ^t\\it\\Jiivphofoener heleeueth lu Chrifi ^ullhaue enerla^mg /tfe. And thus the ftrcngth of M.Bifhops nrpimcnt is veric feeble, neither is \t onely vaine in ic fclfe, buc hec hach dealt as abfurdly in the hand- ling of it. 5 . W. B I s H o p. Thefecond is. It is tio article of the Creed, that a man mufi beleeuc hi* ovffte Salnation, and therefore no man is bound thereunto, M. Perkins anfwereth. That cueric article of the Creed con- taincs this particular faith ofourownc Saluation, namely three : V\ri{ {faith hee)toht\ie\iz\v\GoA, is to^bcleeuc that God is our God, and to put our truft in him for our 6'aluation. Anfwcr. I admit nllthts^and addtmore{that M. Perkins been» longer ignorant of the Catholike knon>ledge of the Creed) that weemufi atjo loue himmth all our heart and fir ength : thus wee vndtrflan^ tt I more fully then hee : Tetfnde not out that thirteenth arttcle , Thou muftbclccuerhincownc particular Saluation. Tor albeit J beleeuc And trufi tn God , yet not beeingfure of my lone towards him , / am. not alfured of Saluation, for as S. lolm tejiifieth^ Hee that loueth not, a- bideth in death. i.iohc.sj So I anfeeerto ihe fecondart'tcle named by'^A, Perking, that is, I heleeuethatGodofhis infinite mercy ^ through the merits of Chrtfls pajjion, doth pardon all thofe, who beeing heart tliejor/e for their Jit net, dohumblie confefje themyand fullie purpofe to leade a netvltfe : that I myfelfe amfuch a one, Idoverily ho^e, becaufe Ihaue as farre forth as I could, tomyk^norvledg performed thofe things which Godrecjuires of mee, but becaufe 1 am but afraile creature, and may perhaps not haue done all that fo well M lought^orammt foweHaffuredofthat, whichby Gods helpe I haue done, I cannot Oeleeue $t,forin matter offaitly^asyoH fhallheaYefhortly)therecanbenofeareerdoHbt. The like anfwer u giuen to the article of Itfeeuerlafitng. I belteue that I {hal haue life euerlafling^tflfulfilthat which our Sauiour taught ^'^' ' -• the young man, demanding what hee muji doe to haue life euerLftin^ : t» vi tte,tf I keepe all Gods cowmanderaentf, but becitufe lam not a£u^ red that Ijhall doe fo [yea the Proteft^nts {though faljly) ajjitre vs, that HO man by any helpe of Gods grace canjo doe,) I remawe mfcare, ^ 3 • But 272 of the Certainty ofSaluAtloft. But [faith M. Perkins) the dinellmay [o be/eene the articicleseftht^ Creed^vnleffevfiedaapplji thofe articles to ourfelnes. Firfi, f fay the di. uellk^omsto be trtte all that vee dobeleeuey and therefore urefatc^ by S . lames to beleeue, but thej want a neceffarie condition of faith ^ that is a godly and deuout fubmijfion of c heir vnderjiandingvnto the obedience^ of faith ,ar,d fo hane no faith tofoeaks properly, Againe, they trttfjl not in God for Saluation^ nor indeauour not any manner of way to obtaine Saluation, a« Chrtfltans doe^ andfo there is great difference betxeeent their beleefe in the articles of the Creed, and ours, R. Abbot. To thi« argument M.Perktns\\i^\it{Avh, that che pillars of the Churchof Rome doenot vnderftandthc Creed, who hauing cor- rupted all points of Chriftianfaich, muft needcs frame rhc articles of the Creed to rhe fame corrupt ron. Whether ihcy were the Apo- ftlcs or other after them, that hycd together this briefe of faith, they intended not therein a narration of (ommon hiftoric, but a profeffion of priuat hope. And that may appeare by the phrafc wherein they hauc cxpreffcd this bcleefej I beleevs i kG o xy THE FATHER ; I BELE EV E IN IeS VS C HFI ST; \ BE* iLEEVE IN THE HOLY Ghost. For weli doth M. Perking: notc,thatt6 fayylbeleeue in Godj's aIlone,as to fay, I bcleeuc that God is my God, and I haue an aflured conlRdenceandttuftin him to be failed by hismercie. M.Bi/hop m<^mionsth the anfiA'cr in fu- pcrficiail and gencrall ternics,that to bcleeuc in God is to belecuc that God is our God,ard roputour trufl in him for our Sahution, and in this fort admittctb it, but to that purpofc as M. Perkins fpakcit, hee will by no meanes admit it, becaufe fo to admit itr fiiouldbcto j.^rantthepoint in queftion. He can bee content that wc in common belecue God to be our God by right of foueraignty and authority, but he will not en dure that any man fhall fay z^M, Prrj^i»/ intended, IbelccucthatGod \smy God, by affedlion of • louc. He will like well enough that wee put ourtiuft in him for otirSaluation, fo as to lookc to be fauedby him if wee bee faued, and haply to carry fome probable opinion that we fliall bee fa- 4i.Tb«/:.j,^ ucdjbutinnocafewillfufFer vs to conceiuefo ofour felucs, as to fay with the Apoftle,* GMathnot afpoimedvs to math, bf4t to ob^ tatne of the CertAtnty ofsaluatm, 2 7V taint Saluation by the meanes of lefar: as A- Qod^ vpt hdHc waited for himyand he mil fane vs; we wtU reioyce and bee icyfull inhtsfaluAtion, And thus dot\\S' Aufiin teach vs to make ^ God bur Gody to make hintyourpofejfion^ as he fpeakcth, and there- fore without doubting to fay vntoGod,! hott art mj Cod, becaufe hee j,.Ji*f"^„f^t faithtoomfoule^I amthyfalnation. And indeed no man can with mtriduimmf*. a true heart [ay vnto Go^,T'hoft art my God, whcfe foulc doth not „« ^"ffj^oJmf with in^'ard comfort hearc God faying vnto him by his word, / ^f-n^w' ■""r»** ^ j^ of the CerU'mtie ofSdmtion, i^r«/ faith, Z^A^t^moxctdat he might notbeigmrdntef the CAihttm li^ knowledge of the Creedey that voe mu[i alfo lone God with all our heart and fire^gth J and thus faith that the^ vndsrftand it more fully thenwedo . Where we may obfcrue what a wife conllrudlion he maketh for himfelfe . For he telleth vs by and by that he is not fure whether he loueGodor not, and afterward againe that cha~ ritie ii feated i»the darl^ corner ofthewill ^ and a man cannot be fuTCttvatit is in himfelfe . Sothc>i becau(c to bcleeue in God, is ("to loue God with all his heart and ftrength,and/T/.Z?//^tf/> doth not ^J know whether he loueGodor not, it mult needs follow that for fought he knoweth, he doth but lie fo often as he faith, Ihleeus in ^God, This doth he gaine by his vndcrftanding this point more fully then we do. But we refped not hcteany largcncflcor fulncffc, but rather proprietic of vnderftanding. It is true indeed that Saint fjiufiin fomtimcs dedarcth heleeuing in God by the loue of God, land other fuch fignes and tokens thereof, net as properly to de- /fjfine what it is to beleene in God^hvit rather to (hew who they ^ are that truely doe bcleeue in GOD, that men may not flatter Ithcmfclucs whh opinion of belecuing, when indeed they doc fM^ufiJnTfal. not belceuc. Thus doth hec fay, that ^ to heleeue in God is to Viithitrere*db>ta cleauevnto God, to worko tvellmth him, working that that is good in toopetandumboHayj. (hat ^ *&^ that helceHCth in Chrifi both hopeth in Chrtfi and to- ^DTvlrb.dm. Htth ChrtH ; that ^ tohleeuetn Chrtfi, is in beleemngto afe^^inhe~ ^"^■'i' ■//-'""/ '^ /tfm»j[ to loue Chrifi . But it is one thing to dcfcnbe a thing by 'fperatinchnfii adioyncd properties and cflFcds, another thing to define it out h 7«'/l»tfJ* of the nature and propriety of it felfe. Wee doubt not but that ^IsJTejilre'' faith and loue are alwaici conioined , and true bclecfe in God dmintum? j ^ alwaies infallibly bring forth the loue of God , but yet as €ndendodiiigmt diucrs mcmbcrs ot the body neccllarily concurring for the per* ^'' fed^ingof the whole , hauc cucry one their fcuerall office , the eye to fee, the care to heare, &c. fo thcfc vertues of the foulc, namely faich and loue, though they alwaies mcetc and neuer are diuided,yet in office and at^ are diftinfl each from other, nei- ther is to beleeue the fame as to loue , nor to loue the fame as to bcleeue. For wee do not make the queftionthat Chrift asked ilohn.9.jy; the man that hadbeene blind, *Belet»efi thoH in the Sonne of ^CaF.iMf. ^^^i f 0 ^c ^^^ ^*t^"'* w*''^ ^^^' *^^' ^^ dcmaunded o{ Peter ^ ^ Loftef tboumfc I Now therefore to bclecM in God, is in it fclfe to haue a ^yj^ of th Certamty of Satuation, ly^ fti!l aflRincc and airurcd criirt in him that he will faue v$, and accor- dingly the fiimmcofthat that I profcflctobcjccucin the Creed i9 t!, at God is my God and father by the mediation ofjcfus Chrift, through the fandlification of the holy Ghort, whereby hcc hath inaJcmcamemberothis Catholikc Church, which is the com- numionandiocictyolliis Saints, to which, andallthe incmbcrs wncrcor,andfo namely tome,he willgiuc rcmifTion andforgiue- ■X ncflcof fionf s,and a hapf-y reUurcdtion ofthc body,to be partaker I with the ibulcofeuerlarting life. And that this is a matter of bc-''Pft'.iT.ij. I liefcwirhourany thirteenth article ofthc Creed, let hi»n Icarne of 'T/''^?!'"^, I Dauid faying, I / beleen:' tojeethegoodnejje of the Lord in the land of II'" '^jiue vintm i l/7r//«/«f.Which whatisitelfcbuitofay, IkeUene mine or^n, S^dJ/.^'t'Lt^:, «4//5?And let him learn oi Fulgentim ^thzt it was not proper toD<«- Domim,&c. wdon\ytohyCoifoi'^theifil}/,rHngi^;faith,{iithbc^6oldlyfanhJhr^^^^ leeHetofeethegoodnesoftheLordtHtheUndoftheittiing.X^cxS. Anfim r^i'/'ow/zr De- a!fo teach him this matter of bdccf.'Ged hath promi fed thee,0 man. I ]'ig, Zfnl- that thoM {halt Itue for ener . DofithoMnot heleenetti Beleeueit^be^'^'^^''*^*^'"*"'' Ueuc It ; for that that he hath already done for thecals a greater m Alter dhndHp'us ffl' then that that he had promt fed . To the fame effc»3 Cyprian (pca-'-^i'""^/""^ 9"* Jceth, ° God hath promt fed vnto thee when than departeji out of this VcypnlnAencr, worlds immortality andeternitj^ and doefl thou doubt thereof? Thia f-^"^-^"** "*' <^ tvere not to knoxv God: thif is to offend Chrtji the matfier of belee- dMummor'l^- uersvith the [mneofvnheleefe? this is for a man beinv in tbehoufe f^^rw />o/i 1 t >. -i , tttnue leterniutt, offatthtobewttheutfattb. So that by Cyprians ludgement to haiie a-tud^ibuasfkoc faith, is for a man lobelecuc hisowncSaluation, and not to bc-'^^'T/^"^"^ I !• r> ^ ■ ' I •! r . . -w^ ■ flirt noJejKctJt lecuehisownc Saluation,istobcc without faith. But Saint Ber- chnftn cndt»uu. wr^handlcth this point moft pregnantly of all other ^ It is ne- '^'''g'li'"'",!"'*- _..-. ,f 11 n t ••• tciHcrcdu.naUs fejjarie forthe to teieeue, that thon canft not hatte forgiueneffe ofofen(Urr,ioctfi fnnesbut by the mercie of God, and that by no xvor^^s thou eanfi o^'\'lcTm%!>n!!'' tuineeternalllife y vnlejfett alfobegtuenthee . Bt^ thefe things are domo [demon U- not fu^cient , nay they are to bee accounted but the beginning and ''^'Bem.ird.m^- as it were the foundatton of faith. Therefore if thou belteuefi that "'»*('■'*■ fr i. . thy fun ex cannot bee put away, but by him to whom onely thou hafl om£i/Zr it tibiftccita. '; iiiflifcan bitmnem lerfidem.St(& it vit* *- Uruababm Htetjft tfi te/ltmmum ffiHUis quodadeam fis4tuta0 mumreptruetgwui. pnned 2^6 oft he Certainty ^fSaLmnoir, finned thou doe fl well ^ hmadde hereto to beleeue , That by hiv Thy sinnes are forgiven thee. This is the tefltmoftj that tbekely Ghoflgiueth in enr hearty fay*ng^ Thy jtnnet areforgiuen thee -.for thus doth the Apoftled^fae^ that a man is freely mjitfiedhy faith So alfo at touchtng eternallltje^ it h needfttllthat thou haue the tejlimony or yvitnejfe of the fpirit. That thov shALT come VNTO IT BY THE GIFT OF GoD. Hccfc then it is plaiiic, that without any thirteenth article of the Creed, the faith whereby theApoftlefaithamanis iuftificd, is fuch a faith as where by I bc- lecuc mine ownc Saluation ; whc» cby I belecuc that my finncs arc forgjucnmc, andthatlfhallaftaincby the very gift of God vnto cu?rlafting life. But fauh M. Bt[hop,l heleetie andtrt^fltn God ; Tet not being ^ure of my loue towards him, I am not ajfured of Saluation, Where hee plainly fhewcth,that hcc hath no louc towards God,bc- caufc where loucis,it cannot but be ccrtainely felt and kno wn,and itheloucd God,hee could not but alfure himfelfc thereof. Now thcrfore it is nomarueiJ, that hee hath no aflurancc offaluation, when there wanrcth in him the certainc and infallibIeefFc(5t ot that faith whereby hcfhould bcaffurcdof Saluaiion.Fortruc faith is the fouDtaine of our loue towards GodjWhileft bcIeetiingGod to bee fuch and fomercifull vnto vsjit fwalloweih vp our afiPt<5^ions, and drawech our loue and dcuonon vnto him. Which is not vnfcltin vs. but by the feeling thcreofin our felueSjWe gather a further con- firmation and affurance toourfelucs,that we arebeloued ofGod# Botn which if ^(frwW well dedarctbjfayingof the faithfull man: . -. . ^ Avilewormeand worthy to he hated euerlaftinaly. yet affurethhim- tmbquia fe amari l^^f" '^'^^ »' ^ tfeloued^ becaufe hefeeleth htmfelfe to loue\ nay becaufe ^dam"!tcZ}u^ ^^MM'ffb himfelft to be beloued, therefore heisafhamednot to hue tw. againe.So againe he faith that ' the loue of God breedeth in thefouU ^J.69.52r' ^o'*f*ovpardsGod^ andbyficlmgit felfe to loue, it it alfo out of doubt Deiamorem ani- that itfclfexs beloued . Nov/ what a mifcrable cafe is M. 'Bt^ef in, E* {f^^^y;^,. that neither is furc of his louc towards God, nor dare afliire him- iigere ftnttt etia fclfc ofGods louc towards himf Ifhc had noc 3 fcnfflefle and dead fcJ^rSrS-'^^^^^^^*^^"''^"^^ but much grieuc and lament at his owneeftatr. fUcimartyr. Noa And yct forfooth he telleth v», that hedothbeleeueapdtruflin God', 2f^",%n. b"t therein he lieth vnto God. Voi^ he doth not beleeuein God, that heat ta'iu! felt- ^ doth notflace the con^dence of hts felicity in Godonly; which [ic doth ^^^f"f»^^^*-aotphcc xnGodoocly, but partly in God and partly in himfelfc. Hee AO'j.Pirmt! vi- UJJimiu c?- odio Ai^iJJimtif fcrn- tonfidit amari. OftheCertawtyofSakatm. 277 Hee doth not truft in God, that doth not rely uholy vpon Gods iiiercy,and thereby lookc for that at his hands for which hcc iru- ftcth inhimjoas toaccounthimfelfc deceiucdby him if he failc thcfcof^which neucr hath befallen to any,nor (hall befall that doth puchistruftinGod/T'/^/y>&i7;>diuidcth chistrurt LetwixtGod and himfcIfc,3ndfotruftcthinGod,ajihat he makcth th:c for uhich hcprofcfleth totruftinGod, to hang chiefly vpon himfclfc, and therefore no maruell if he hauc no dllurance of Sa luation, bccaufe hcincurrcth rather the curfe denounced by the Prophet, ^ C»r fed lUran.iy.f. if the man ibat truftethin noan^And ma^eth fteflj h n arme. For what doch heclfc when he leaucth the whole work of Gocl,as wee hdue heard before, to be confirmed and made good by his own free vnll? Now a»touching that other article of beleeuing in Chrift, to hjue by his merits ren.iflfion of finneSji*. y^/if/?/«teacheth vs, that" toh- u 4uguj!.t»iMi. leeue in Chrifi is to be vnited vnto Chri(f, to he made one vctth him. to fr.i:i. : 9& dt be incorporated Jo bsmemhen of his body. He expoundeth it to be all "^reYnZ'tfJiii one with that which Christ faith in the Gofpclljof ^eating his fie (h irc&mmbns ftjr drinking his ^/o«^, which whofocuer doth, '' dveelleih in Chrtfi and 'l^X^^^'u^modo chrifi in him ,he hath eternall Hfe ^and Chrifi mllraife himvpat the'^'"*'"'""^""' ^ iafiddy.Thui the Gofpcll of Chrift inftrui^cth vs, «nd hee that be- ^^eJu^effattr. Iccucth in Chrifi, becaufc hebelecueth the Gofpcll, murt bcleeuc'^''''^"'^'""'- that he is a men ber of Chrift^one with Chrift and Chrift with him; i»cbn^u,njZ* that hcdwelleihin Chrift,and Chrift in him,ihat Chrifi hath giucn 'ft "'"^d'^ure ptr vnto him cternall life,and will raifc him vp at the la(i day;bcing af- y iohn.boJy,andhauing power tofauehim'^will not fuflPcrhimtopcrifh.butas afaithfullMediatour will performethat charge, which ' the villofthe heaaenlj father hathlaid vpon him, » Jof^n-^J^- that of all that he hath gtuen him he ^otild loofe nothings but fljould raifettvpat the lafi daj , "islow M .BiPjop h'v.bMut he be/eeneth that God for the merits of C6ri[ts paffion, dothforgtue them that 4 e hear- tiiy forte for their fnnes J andhiimblieconfe(fcthem^ withafull pHrpofe cfa new life . And this he hope th that he hath done ^ but he cannot ajfure htmfelf that he hath done it y or that he hath done tt fo we II as he ought to do and therefore cannot beleetse the for atHeneJJe of htsf tines. Wl^ctc we feCjihat the merits ofChriflspa/Tion IS not fufiricient inhis opi- nion, to purthafc for h:m the forgiucnclTc effiuncj.but iiinu!) fur- ther 2 7 S <^fi^^ Certamtk ofsdudthn, there hangvpon thefufficicncic andperfedionofhisowncrcpcn- tance.Itis not enough that he trulierepentjvnleflc he ic^ciilfoweU as hie ought to do, that his repentance may deferue the pardon that hefeckethfor. But we for our parts know and confcfle^that our re- pentance, our faihj our rightcoufncire, are nz\xzx {\xc\\ at they ought tobec : wearefhortand vnpcrfe6lintherorrowforourrinncs;our purpofcs of newc life and amcndoient of our defaults, prouc often times like *r'&^«»or«/»^(/fB' that is quickly dried vp. Andtherforc • ofc.(j.4 J J jj piQj. ^{^g value and woorth of our repentance that we reft vpon to mcritrenardon and forgiueneirc,but wee require a finccritie and truth thereof, faithfully to crauc the fame, becingbutas thepainc and griefc which raalccih tofeek the medicine whereby it is cafed; as the hunger and thiift which makcth to crauethefoode whereby ' it is rclccucd; as the feeling of bcggericand want, which maketti to fee ke the treaHjre and riches by which it is fupplicd. Which fup- bRom J.24, plicand rclcefefpiritually \vc find in this, Kbntb we are in^ified freely by the grace of God^ through the redemption that ii in Chrift iefits^ nhom Godhathfetfoorth to be an Uttonementfor t//(not by the mcrie ofourrcpcniance)but^y/ of that name. ^aa. » .. , , I I /■ I o f ■ ' n , 11 . «Jncts.4.Ii, in n bfch one/y It fe and SaMStton i^ omcd vnto vs. Which it plain- jic appcarcth this young man concciued not, by reason of a pre- fiimption that he bad by mifunderfjanding the law,that he had ob- 1 ferucd the law. The yaine opinion wherof to difcoucr, ourSauiour''^ biddcth himtofcll all &giuctothepoorc, promifing him treafure inheaufn,and willmghiminthemeanctime to come and follow him,rh3t itniightappcatchowfar hcwasfro that louc of God & his neighbour which the law required, in v^hofc heartthe loue of ri-( ches bare fo great a fway, as that he could not be content at Gods c6mandcmcntvp5promireofhcauenlytreafurc,tohc(iow the fame to the neccflity of his neighbour. Now if he had rightly cHcmed of, himfclfc 2 go ofthCemhtyofSaluAti on. himfclfc how farre be was from being anfwcrable to the rlghtcouf- ncffe of the law, he would hauc profited by the words ofChrift,and hauc caken occafion thereby to come to Chrift for the obtainingof eternal! life, the true meanes whereof he diic«fteth when he faith, f^ This is life eter>7all^ to know thee the onely true Ged, and lefns Chrtfi •ijohni?.!. Tpfkomthotihaftfent. V^fhich knowledge of Chrift feeing this man bad not, without which M.Bifjo^ hiirfelfe I hope will fay there is no eternal! life, fureiy cucn by his ovvne grounds it muft be abliird, to fay that Chrift by thcfc words did hmplyintejid to dircPfil.ij .idcmcnts. Tne Protelh'itsonclyfay, that God giucth vs not that iulneffccf ^racc while li iiecrc wc hue, as that we can fully and pcrf 6ily kcrpe thecomnundemcntsofGod foastobcciufhficd thereby, but they deny not, buc tpat aij the faithful! according to t>ic decrees and meafureofgracerecciued.doeiuai-ncafutck'.'epeGodscomMian- dcnicnrs,aud asgiaceisincreafcd,fo they increalem the ktcping ofthe commap.dcm:rnts, and that this grace rhajl yet further renew andfand^ific thenij inluch forr^ as that m the end coiiUition & fio bcciiig 2'82 oftheCeminetyofSduation. bccing wholly abolirhcd for «uer, they fhall be fullie conformed t» that image of righteoufnefie that God hath defcribcdin the lawc. Bucofthis hccreafter. Inthemeanctiraewecfceby that that M, Bipjop hath told vs of faith, that the Church of Rome indeed tea- cheth HO other faith bi4t the fame that diucls haue. Which becing obiecled by M. Perl^iniy hec laboureth to dcarc, but faith nothing to fcruc the turne, but by ouerthrowing that which he buildeth o- , therwhere. lie(mhy that the diueis kttovpe all to Iv truexvhichweebe- leeHCj Ifutyet do want a ttecejfarie condition offatth, which is a godly dr deHoutfHbmiJfionpftbe'trvnderfiandingtothc obedience of faith ^ and fo haue no faith tofpeakf properly. But i ^ godly and deuoutfubmiffion of the vnderfiandin^ to the obedience of fait h^ be a necejjarie condition of faith, as hce tellcth vs hecre, (6 as that which is called faith with* outthis is not proper li e fo called, how. then ftandeth ic which cl(c- where he deterraincth,that faith trulie and properly fo calicd,may be without charity and goodworkj ? For \NhatgodlineJfe, whatdeftott- en, vihatfubmifsion or obedience can there be where cbaritie is not ? Godlinejfe y deuotton , fubmifsion^ obedience, what are they but^W workesf Ifthcn faith properly fo called, cannot bee without thcic, then itisttuc which wee fay, that true faith can neucr bee without charitie and good workis. But thatheedenieihin the other place, and with common confent they all denie it. Therefore he muft de- nicthat which hcere he hi mfcU'e faith, thut godly and demutfubptjji' on of the vnderfianding to the obedience of faith, is a necejjary conditio of faith proper ly fo called, iind fo,as yet there is no exception but that their faith is the fame with the diuels faith. But taking this which hefaith, which indeed is true, though he by nomeanesmurt ftand to it, i\\ztgodfyanddeuoHtjt4bmifsio»y ^c. is a necejfary condition of true faith, yet becaufc it is but a condition adioincd, and not the verie nature of faith itfelfc, furely vnlcflc hee dcfcribc faith in other fort then hee doth, hee anfwereth yet nothing as touching the very a6l of faith, but that the faith of diuels is all one with their faith. His other exception is, that thedmels trftifinotinGodforSaluation, nor indeauoHr any manner of rvay toobtaine it as Chrijiians d$» Which iseucnasvaineastheformerwas, becaufe hce anfwereth nothing toputdiflFerence as touching faith itfelfc, he himfelfeftill denying that truji m Goiforamans orvne Sal^ation^\% any part of faith. But he ftiould hauc anfwcred dircdly to the point, what there is in the very of the Certainty ofSdlmtion. 28^ vfry nature of faith it fclfsjWhcieby chcir faith istobecdiftingui- fhed horn the faith of diucis, whcrcofhejs notable to gjucvs any ccrtaineanfwcr. And to be fliort, all that hcc hath here faid is but framed hor a iTicvv.tofcrue for prcfcntfbiftjbccaufe hccdarcch not deny but chat there hath bin and arc many dcfperate rakehcls (yea ot'their Popes and Cardinal there haue not wanrcdruch)in whom there is no q^odly or deuont fahmijfionofvnderjiandingto theolftdt~ ence offatih,netrti(imGodforSalu.!itton, mstndeattour toohtatnett^ whoycthauc nad their Cathohkcfaithjto bclecue that Chrift hath dicd,and rifcn againe,and chat by his bloud there is forgiueneflc of finncs,though not for thcm,yet for them that repcnr:fo that in that which he faith hithcrto,there is nothing at all whereby to put dif- ference betwixt thcirfaith&thcdiuelsfaith,and hereafter uc (hall fee, that he IS able to fay no more then here he hath faid. 4, W. Bishop. ^VcxVmitnhisfir^ exception grawtts: That commonly men do pag.j^.. not belecue their Saiuarion, as infallibly as ihey doe the articles of the faith(^rf/ii/rA^if jfomefpeciall men do. whereof I tnferre by his orvne confejfiortythat onr particular Salud" tion is not to be beleeuedbj/fanh, fnrrthatfoeuerwe beteeue by faith, is as infallible as thexvordofGod.xvhtchaffurethvs oftt.Thenifthecom. ptoH fort oj the fatthfulldonet beleeue tbetr %aluation^to be as infallible as the articles of our Creed jea as Gods owneword^they are not by faith a^Hredofit.Nowthatfomeffeciadgoodtnen^eitherby reuelation from God, or by long exerctfe of a virtuous lift ^ haue agreat Certaintie of their Saluation, we wtUtnglj confejje ibut that Cert aintte doth rather belong to awell grounded ho^e, then toanordtnariefatth, R. Abbot. M. Perkins rightly faith , that the Scriptures in this matter of faith & a(Iutancc,do dire(5i vs the duty of faith, what it ovight to do, and what wc are to pray and labour for, though we do not all and alwaiesattainc vntoic. Secondly, t6at though commonly men do not with the like afluranr e bclecue their owne Saluation, as they do the do6liine of faith cxprclfcd in the articles of the Creed , yet T that 284 OfiheCerUmtkofSAlmtm^ th^tfomefpeciallmcn dofb, as did Abraham, and the PropKetn and A poft!cs,an'd martyrs ofGod in all ages^ who without doub- ting laicddowne their liucs for the tertimony of God, and for the name ofChrift,a(ruring rhcmfclues to rcceiuc a better rcfurrcdio. And fo wc make no qucftion,but that by the fame fpirit that certi- fied thcm.many faithfullalfo now do rccciue the like certificate of ctcrnallbliflc, andarc thereby ready ifoccafion feme to doe the fame that they hauc donc.Now becaufe he faith that commmljmtn do not fo infallibly bclecuc the r owne faluation , though (omcfpe^ eiallmcndo, hereof i faith M Billiop, / /«//>'rr^ his ovane cmfelfion^ that oHr particuUr SaluAthft is rtottobe heleeuedby fatth. Bui of his confcfflan folio wcth no fuch illation. For he cannot conclude, that therforeour own Saluationis not infallibly to be bckcacdby faitb becaufe men do not comonly fo bdecue it,but rather that is is fo to bebclecued by faith,bccaufefomcfpcciall men dobelccucitrOjfor that in thofe fpeciall men is example to the reft, what they ought to aUxX\6. ferine vnto.But faith M.St(hep. ivhatfoener ne beUcue by faith, is as iCap. 15.J8. infallible 4S tbewordof Godthat affftreth vs of it. And we pranc that «iibia.vcr.i8, Kisasinfalhble iniirelte.bufnot alwaics lomourappreri^nfiGnsc f £"« f % feeling And if he will fay that it is al waies as infailtble to vs and cur i^«^«7i«»iJ>f. vndcrrtandingandconfcicncc,hefpeakcc!ivcryfalflyand abford- }oMf>Sr.lT'^'^^ : for there arcdiuersdcgreebof faith, '//«/«? /»//^, ''great faith, cretUtim quid iji- ^ fullajjurance of faith, cuen as a wcakccie and a ftrong q\c. And uAi^^li^&c'. 3S aweake eie feethbnt wcalciy and vnperfci^ly, and a rtrdng cic €rtiiitur Mttm fccth ilrongly and more fully difcerneth the thing fecne, fo a littU %7Jii'J!:Tcer. fi^^^^ bcleeueth faintly, though txuly, greater /^r/ij^belecucth more ticii nigrum tjjlt ^tiMdi9i\y\ft4ll affurance of faith ^beleeueth vndet hope euen againft tixfjfetr^ent' -&o^e ofG^JMt whtn it cam^ topajfe which he fort' OftheCertmtte ofSaluathn. 2%^ foretold^ that faith which when he f pake vnte them wtu Itttkandfmall^ andwhett he dttd in a manK er noMe, both rewued and increajed. Ic was faith ihat made'' /'tf/^rvponChrids word to ftcp into the fcacogo ^ loChrift vpon the waters, bclceuing that he fliouW be iafcjbiit yet **'^* " ficbelccued it notiiifdllibly,&thehintne(reofliisfaitli made him begin to finkjfo that being vehemently afraid, hcc cried ouc vnto Chrid for \\c\pS^y\r\oMaflerJaueme, Therfore our fauior faith to him,' 0 thou of iittle faith, wherefore didfi thoH douhilw which fort; vtrCjf. when another time the difciplcswercafiaij.byreafonofa tempcft vpon the fea,& awaked him being afleepe, faying vnto him, »Af:«-'Ctp.8.« J, fierfaue vswefertpj^he anfwercd tUcm.fVh^ areyefearefuUoje cflit^ ^Ufaithi'm both thefc places llicv/ing lUat /it t/efatth, fuch as now the faith of the ApoftlestncnifcIucswaSjdoth not make a man fo infallibly to belceuc,as that he is thcrby wholy voided of feare and doubr; yet Oicweth it fclfe to be true faith,in that the fame fcare & doubt mjketh him alwaics to run to Chrift.as expe6ling fuccour & strength in hm.Suchjs the faith vvhcrby the common fort of faith- ful men do belctuc their own particular Saluation, truely and effe- ctually to the comfort ofthcir foulcs,yet not Co fully and infallibly, as to be altogrtlier freed from feare and doubt.For it is to be obfcr- ucd,which was intimated before, that mattersof faith concerning) our own Saluation,doe confid partly in principles deliucred by the J word ofGod,& partly inconclufions thence deriued to ourfelijes. Now albeit faith fomctimes do waucr and dagger, as touching the vciy principles thcmfclues and immediate wordsofGod,yetbc- caulc the truth & certainty thereof is more eafily and better con- ceiucd, they are for the mod part more familiarly & readily bclee- ued. But theconclufions, bccaufc of ihemfelues they are vnkno wn andhaucthcir lightonelyfrcm theprinciplcs^arenot fo firmly ap- prehended as the principles themfelucs,u hild doubts haplymay be cad,lead there be any errour committed in the application and vfc /^ thereof It is a principle deliuered tbrafluranceof Saluation;'^*- ' Aasijd Salfiation. ^'at- ^• M.Pcrk;ns/«/jj'»'«'rii:in. 1 4m freed J k.now^ th.it I enter not into temtatian^ and that lam heard ^r^-^i gratia f^y:"l ^'fh myfc/Iowef, Forgitte vs mr trefp.'.jfes. ifor this there- hbtTor,vi fcio,ne forc,rbat is, ^ for forginenejfe of fnnes, fhalleuery one that if godly ^ He,&t^t">'nri.iiem^H- of the Certainty cfSaluatidft. 2^1 xNcw therefore, faith hc^confirmeforeHtr the rv0rd that than haftfpff^ IfenconcerKtHgthyferu/fntandhi^houfe^AMcldoai thoyhajlfaid. For thou O Lordofhojishajf reutaledvnto ihyfernantjajingj tvilUui/d * * ^"'"••J. thee an houje ; therefore hath thy fernant beene bold topr^y this praier vnto thee I here fore »ovv let tt pleafe theete hleffe the houf of thy fer~ na»t^ that it may continne for efter before ihee ; for thou 0 Lord God haji fpoKcntt. V\ here wcc plaindy fcchini piiiying viuo Gt)d,thnc that miglir hcc, whereof bee was aflu' cd by faiih, vpcn ihc promifc of God that fo it flioiild brr, and not oncly lo, but did therefore pray.bccaiifc God had rcuealcd vnto him that it (lould be fo. And doe wcc not thinkc that Z)«iW beleeucd the wordlpokcn to liim from God by the fatne Prophet, when hcc had adrronifncd him of hisgricuoui trefpjfle, and he repented, " I'heLord hath tal^natpay ' isam.it.ij. ^ //?7/r««^; andyctafterwardshcc praicth," H^we mercy vponrxe, O * '*'*'* God^ after thy great gondne^e, according to the multitude of thy mer' ctes doe a^t-y m:*te offenees. Our Sainour Chnrt beiecuedjihat his ' Pjeepep>^iineuerpertPj^di[\6inc:c\\>Tci\-\An\\zVii\^^^ would kccpc , . , ^ them, and none Hiould take theni out of his hands, and yet hcc " i praiech, "^ Ho/y father ksepe them in thy name, euc» them whomtbou «Cap.i7tiJ( k^fl giuenmee. Hcc wasalfurcd by f'aitlithac God '.vould dcliucr him from death, * that hee rvouldnot leaue hisfohletn hell^norfnffer • ?c»\.if.\o.7rf hii holy one to fee corruptfon; yd "in the dates of hufiir/hdtd offer vp ^^'^-iJ- i fupplications withflrong crytng and teares to htm that ivm able la faue himfromdeathj andrvoialfo heardtn that which hee feared. Hec uas ailurcd by faith that God would glorifichim;yct hcpraicth;* A'tfw «Ioh.i7.y./ glortfie me O Fatherrvtththitte orvne felfe. ThcApoftlc S. FaulwiS aflijrcd by faith, that ^ the Lordwottld deliuer him from eucry euiU * i.rim.^ii. ^ works,*'^dpreferue him vnto hi4 heauenlykingdome ; yet liec ccafed not to pray, Leadevj not into temptatton^ but dehuervs fromeutll. Wtc bclceuc by faith, and arc afTiired that Chrifh kingdomc fhall come, yet wcdaiUepray, Let thy l^ngdome come. Thus therforc al- beit by faith in the promifc ofGod, wee now reft aflgrcd of the re- mifHonoffinncs, yetbecaufcitis notyct tcucalcd, wcc Hil pray, Forgiue vs our trefpaffes, th i wccmay cnioy by reality and poilci- fion,what wee bclceuc wcc already hauc in Godsaffcdion. Now albeit thofc three arguments hitherto bee idle ?n 1 vaihc conceits, yet for conclufion he commcndeth them forft/b/l^Hiiall and fuffici- ent, to affure eneriegood Chnfiian that hee xvellmay hope for Saluation domg 2'92' . ofthcCertAtntyofSdu^tm, doing his Am'te^hm tnaynat withom great frefn^ifttan ajfure him^fit bjfAtth. Bjcithathbecncalreadie (hewed, thn dowg of antie aa yccldvs neither fnith nor hope truely fo called, bccaulc weecorae 9 H»>f8«./» E/i. I l^ap.S^.Si CO \ Lfideremui meriu ,,^., „. , , „ , ,...- ,.. . / e/I ^^ '^"'^" " Mcording'to his mersit, Hcc would haue it to depend vpon his p^*- t^.'igupn?Ca(. mtfe^wd his oath, s that by two immutable things wherein it was im* mentTJfirZfed' P^IP^^^ f^-1^ GsdfheMld Ue, Wee might hauc ftrong con[olatto», which :fecmdHmiUiui can bc but very weake, yea none at all, folonoas wee hang it vpon vtaeftpromijfu,. anyothcF thing. It IS therefore a wiclccl prefunaptioiuo hopefor sHeb.tf iji. ^Saluidonby vcrtueofourownc doings but the nrcfuinprion that erame^tJt.s.ca^. gro^^'cth ot tiitn^is a commcndablc prcfumption. ^'Itis agooapre. 'Pr^metunde Yftf^piion fajt^ AmbroCe, toprelnme, not vpon thine owne war ksy hnt jeCin-ifii gratia, vponthe grace Of Chrijt . Such a prcfumptioii 5. A(*Jttne tcachech. ^c^om fr4ii^ i fVhatfoener thire is abont thee, or in thee toprefume of, cafi it from i%a:g.in?fil:is. thee J and let God beethj whole presumption ^ or pre fume wholly vpon Simcqmdcji cir- Qg^^ NaHicIy in that fort as S. zAmbrofe tcachcth by occafion of it'foJTu frafime- V afttas w Or 6$, ^ RecetHemee according to ihy word. ' It were amat' re^^cea u& ^g^. ofmtollerMeprefumption, faith he, to fay to God, Receiue me, but $iMDeiu^c, 4hat hee aadeth the promife ofGod,atffhee(houldfay, Thouhajl caiS' *^wJr/«P/:i* S^^^"' ^^P^'.i^"'*', we challenge thee vpon thine ownebond. This i< the ,j.v.i5J»to&r««-prefurtipr.ion of true faith, uhereby wee withdraw our eiesfrom J;;:;£^£Xourrclucs, and ca(i them wholly vpon God, alTurediy bclecuing €ere,fufcipeme, that wcc fliall rccciiic, bccaufc wcebelccuc in him that promifcch, ^?:f£:;«r"l'hercfore(:?rt:m alone. Wherein nocwithftanding faith leceiueth comfort and fm:Mti:XLd,- ttrcngth by the good fruits and eff:(fts of grace, in the fearc and cinmijuoi imuftt louc of God, infaithfull care and confcience of duty towards God TsSr^'^r^' 3"^ccaufe albeit of thcmfclucs they cannot be prcfumcd o^ v-Ub.arbt:.Oc- yctbcing fruits offaith, euen in their beginnings &impcrfcdions, '!^;jSwl"*'C" tok'fiofGodt fecreteleCiionJoretokensoffutHrehap^ineffe, fo ty.i;4iowne of the parly that h^th tt^ bccaufe it ts al ght ofthevnderftandittg., and fo bi-t'tiglik^ alampe, may bee ea fly jeene i btiUrue repenta7ice re quires be jtdes faith, both hope and ch.i- rttie , rvhich are feated tft the darkj corner J of the \r ill, and car not by faith be fecne in themfclnei'^ hut are kfo\fie bj thdr ffft^ts : tvhtch bei>ig alfo vnccrtatMe , doe make bt*t coKie^ures anda vro- bable op/Mio^, To that place of S.Paul may be omttteda'here het [aith: Pfoucyourfclue? wlicther youbein faithorno. Becaufeue accord i.Cor.ii. that It maj be tried bjvs^rvhe.her'.rihaiie faith or no : alt hough I knovwell^ that San t V ao]i t»crds ca* rjf a farre dt^ere t [ence, Bnt let ih^tt paffe as imperttnent . 7t?//»tf /Aro/^^r. Tfiat wchauc rccciucd '•'^o'"->- ihc 194 OftheCertmtleofSaluAtm. the fplrit wHiqh \i oRjod , cHat we miglit know the things which aregiuenofGod. fi^hat things the fe are which thi fpiritreucalah tovsy SPdul teacheth tn thejameptace. That which the eye hath not fcenc nor care hath heard, &c, God hath prepared for them, that looe him : buttovs Godhachrcucaledby hisfpirit i All thij ii true', but vcho they bethat^nlUttawe to that bieJfedBanqtictbj God [oprepitredyGodonely k»oirethy and by his fpirtt reuealeth it to very few. And vptlljoH IcArrte out of S. Icromc that awient Do^or the iv i.ctfHt.i*? a man lo'4«>7/'«, buttowhatend, ifa inanc;innor f^* dH»\yt^n,[Hm and know whether he hauc chantic or not f The lame S.Anfitn*' faith; 196 of the Certainty ofSduAtim. ca fide,fftritHni Dei nobn inejft eogtiofcimui. \l)i ver.^pcfi, faith: » Ifamein hane not thefpirit ofChrifl^ let him not deeelne him. rtttwichnftin'mf^^f^y ^^ ^^ mugofChnHs, BeboldJa'n\^ he, ^j the heipe of Gods mer- hibeunonfsfdlat gfg ivg hauff thefuYit ofChnft . By the loue of righteottfrieffe and true ttadiituaHteif[huf<*ith ^ the Cathohke fatth, xve kjiox» that there is in vs the/ptntof mfmdt^/piri-Q^^^ How (hall wc kncHv by the /ofte ofri5///i compiifcth wlien ^c- c\- ^^^'Jpffjjf^^ pouudith the things ivhich eyt hath not feene^&c. to b^c"^ Chrifi and (""to; f:,!itr}i' the Salttation which is wrought hy h:^ incarnatton.cucn as Chryicffom 'SjJi'V.!''^'^' dorh vndcrfland ihc fame of * tut furprt(i»g of the uorldhj tkefoolifh - pcnsm.'ju.f '..i- mtofpreachnigi^- the world accounrtth itj oithe conuerfion of ^^^;riv/;frt**- Cenitler^ofthereconcthationofGodtomcn, and the great benefits that i>-»ite,r.<[up:rif [hotildcome herby,c\.\cn:iS the Apoftic (Auh.Ullma;ierfpiritt4a/b/ef- .i'^rf/i'Sf/iJ" (ingt tn he. :Helj things In a word wcaie to vndcr(tanj jnflic Apoft'c '""""*' "-t ,tc?. word>, ^ihevnfearchaUertchtsofChrift preaehedvnto theGenttis, mbu'laei^lo- amylietyrfhich from the beginning eftheivorid trai htdinGod^¬ V- . openedtJthefonsofmen^Cif hadnoifccnc it, neither had mansliart RCap '/.'"gp, ionceiu:ditnay; toih very ''Angels, princtpalmes and poirerSj u ''Vcrfcio was cot known, fo tiiat wlicii it was done, * /c/t^ J/^V«r« icl{e, and cxpcrimentall, and effedluall mPeri. 4. knowlcd^c^^wherehjf we are made partakers of the diuttte nattire^ a.^^" renewed to the image of him whofirft created vs. Thefc things n Col. j.io, therefore we know in our fclucs, when wee know the things that are ginen vs of God,and conlcqucntly doe know our faith, repcn- tance,hope,loue, in which coolitteth thatntwnefle and commu- nion with God. Asforthcbliflcandglory ofheauen, though yet we know it not,yet we know that God hath giucn vmo vs the in- tereft and title ofitalreadyjand by faith doe ftand aflured through thefpiritjthathewillindiJctimcgiuevs the fullfightand fruition of it. Which indeed none can know but they that hauc it rcuealed vntothcm from God, but God reuealcth it by the fpirit in his word to all thofe that doc beleeue in him. As for the place of le- rtf«?if which /^/. ^//^o/> alledgeth to ihe contrary, it (hcweth his wretched vnfaichfu!ncflc,butmaketh nothing againft ys.Ioftashad preached dcftru6^ion to Niniue within fortie daics. The King of Niniue cailethiiis people to repentance, to fackcloth and allies, olonasj.^. to faitingand mourning,and crying mightily vntoGod; for" wha knoweth, {aiihhejifGodwtlltftrne and repent and tftrne away from his ^Hierontniott. /?ffr^tf B'Mr^fthcrcby fignlfying, thatalbeic God had by pcrcmp- '^iltil'^^uTht torie fentenccthveatned their dtftru6lion, yet by repentance and &c.id.lo ambigi*i* earncft intrcaty they might happily find mercy. Hereupon //*>- fcHiturO'inc.r. rome (a\th,T^ That that is faid, WhoknowethifGodwilIturne,isther' tum,vt dum homi- " • 5 1 i / /• n 1 tin ttes dubij funt de foreftt downe ncertatne and douhtfm, that whtlejtmen are doubt full ^miuT&ml of their fafetie, they may the more eamejlly repent ^andthe rather mone gis aimfcricordi- Codto take mercieon them. Now what areafon is th!!;,that becaufe Dlm!*^*"^ God ihreatning dcftrudion to wicked and vngodly men, leaueth it in doubt whether he will rparcthei», that they may the more carneftly of the Certmty ofSalu^Un, 2 9^ eirneftly repent and call for mercy, therefore the fn'ulifull and fjodiy mnnwhome God hath deliucrrd from cuciIafHng dcdtu- (flion,and culled to the hope of euerlafting life, fhould fhnd in doubt of that Saiuation that God hath promifed vntohim? The very place and occaflon of the fpccch might haue made AI. Bifhcf CO forbearr to vfe the fame to that purpolcthat hec hath done ; but that hejj flilljikc his ma(ier5tf//4r«i>«ttt wiUnot admit mto the Kingdome of heauen any vnworthjy hut oines men grace xvhile they line to voorke, that they are made worthy of his heauenly Kingdome^ auording to that : They fliall ^t*c.i.^ walkcwithnicin whites,becaufe they arc worthy, hut of this more fhlly in the chapter of Merits. R. Abbot. The place o^ Aufltne is true, as touching immediate and pcrfevSl ■ffurancc , fuch as is free from all afTault and impeachment of doubt and fcaie. For this is a place of temptation and wcakncfli:, V as joo of the CertAtnty ofSdmtldH. as he truly faith, by rcafon whereof as wee ncucr attaine to a perfe- 6lion ofrighceoufnclTc againfrfinnc, fb wee ncuer attaine to a per- fedlion of alFurance againft doubting. But yet as wee haue a mca- fure of true righteoufncffc againrt finnc, wherein we doubt not but God acceptech vs, fo haue wee alio a meafiirc of true and comfor- table afllirancc again ft all f care and doubt, whereby our hearts doc reft perfwaded, that God for eucr will prcfcruc vs. Thus God as a wife and carefull father both giucth comfort to bis, children, and yet proiiidech to kccpe them within their bounds, that taftingthc ioy of his Saluation,and finding it thenceforth bitter and greeuous vntoihemfelucstobcc diftraftcd by perplexities and fcarcsfroni the quiet enioying thereof, they may the more carefully endcauour to clcauefaft vntohim, and beware ofdoing any thing that fhould interrupt their ioyfuU peace. He knowerhhowready wcareby the corruption of oornature to abufc the comfoi tsand adurances that he giueth vnto vs, and therefore fo orderctb tht famc,as that fome- times outof our nature, fomctimes by other aflBi^ions th;y are nip- ped and fneaped, that they growe not proud and rankc to the de- caying and dcftroy ing of themr-lues. And as fometimei by his ad- mirable wifdomc he maketh fin the whetftone ofrighteoufnHfcfo by afflidion & trouble of mind,by diftrufts and fearcfull doubts,hc whctteth and fharpcneth ourfaith and afluronce,which by fightmg increaferh, and the longer it wraftleth the ftrongcr it waxeth *sAHtitflJewrh. whilcft * /»«i& (fpecially when it isziV3^u\tcd)potvrethfa&rthprafer, Domtfer.s6. Fides ^^^ powri»£ forth af prater ohaineth further ftrenqth of faith. And fufaoratitimft. as a man in danger or drowning catchctn ror hold to laucnim- tratfidei firmita- f^jf^^ fg vvhilcft thccoiTifort o^W^t makcth ofter to gpe from vs, , wc take the better holdtl^rcof, and it bccommech fo much the n)orc precious and deare vnto vs. But as wee doe not approue finnc, for thatit isvfedfometimes.fora,hclpe of righteoufnefle, fo no more doe wee commend doubting, for thatit is vfedfo? the increafc cf faith, but as agamft the one fo againft the other wee fight andla- *.RoBi.S.j J. Jjout to abandon it wholly from vs, that wee may fay, '' Who fjall feparate vs from the lone of Chrift f fhall trihuUttan^ or angH'Pi^ or perfeCfitton, or f amine ^ or nakedneff^Cy (frc ? Nay in all the fe things wee are mere then conquerers through him that loned vt. For I am per- fivaded that rieit her iife, nor death, nor things prefent, nor things to €9me ^ nor any creature Jhall bee able to feparate vs from the hue. of Cod of the CeftAtnty ofSdladidn. jot C^tthichisin^hrtji Iefni9HT Lord. Thus therefore vvcfo cake the word3ofyf*'/?i>T,as thac we leaue place (or that which clfewhcrc Ix faith, that ' Godfaith to the fouUtfthf futtbfttU , I am thy SdluiXtion^ c^4uguf!.iMTf*/. whereupon it i>. i/oU/y to fay to htm. Then art my God.uhich, faith i^-^<""Ji'ftf "- hc,isnorajhrJcs orpre/f4mprto»f VMt affect ton of deft re and JrveetKelJe (j}de/!der>u<««/atorniiiilcircpraycth, I amtby Slanationy vvhaciiJf ellc but <^i"f, Deuimtut '^ thefptrit that gineth mtnefje to onr fpirit thatrvee are thefonnesof'^'^-^^f^'^^'''^ C*?*^/ The words of6'rr^<7r/Viftherc bee any fuch, for in the place /?■«; by him ciccd they are not,may imporc_, how ready our cotruprion f Rom 8?,V i$ to mifcomiert the graces and gifts of God , but to deny (o the faithfuilman the knowledge of Gods grace in himfclte, is to be- Tcaue him ofallftcufafl hope, and to quench in iiim all tiuc con- fcienceofthankfulncirc towards God, bccaulc he cannot hope, that knowcth nothing whereupon to hope, nor hartily giuc thanks that knoweth not whether hce hauc caufe to giue thanks or nor. And how doth S.[ohn\jiy,^By thisve k»owthattve are in htm ''w^^^ f i.iohn.4.1 j. invsjbeeaufe he hath ^tuen v t of ht4 (ptrtt f\\ wc do not know that he hath giucn vs of his Ipirit ? and how fhould wee not know that wee haue receiucd gracc,if we know that wc hauc rccciucd the fpiiit of grace? But of this matter fufficient hath bene fpokcn in the former rt(5lion,Now whereas M.Btjhop (aich that God doih not ordinarily affnte men at\the firji of their owns Salnation, if hemeanc that God doth not at the firii offer any fuch afliirancc 9 hce faith vntruly. Foe Godfpeakcvhby thcfamewordin the beginning and in the end, and therefore both in the beginning and in the end,gjueth the fame a(rurancc,alriiough our faith being perhaps \vcakc,doth noc by and by fo hilly & fiimely lay hold the* eof.Thertorc whereas he comna- reth God to a mafier vcho wtlnot at the firif emrame into hU feruice tn- jeofe huferuat to thefee/imple ofthofe lands which after vpott hu Q.»od deferts hemeanetb to hefiovf vpon ^im^hedoth wrongto the maiclty of God, tiius to limit his bounty to the prouident and wary courfcs of men, occa(ioncd,paitly by their ignoracc,&: vnccrtainty ofother mens future condirion,& partly by ihcjr impotcncy and vnablcucs to preuent& help that,thar haply may proueamine. For ma know- cth not what the bchaviior of his ferusts hereafter wil bCjW hcras he intedethhisgiftnootherwilcto him but vpon hi»good hehauior, neither is itin his power 10 better it, if he become of worfc qualuy V 2 then joz of the CertmtyofsduAtlon} then he expected : but God from the beginning knoweth our mould and raaking, and that there is no good qualitic to be expe- lled ofvs, but what the power of his ownc hand gracioufly wor- kcth in vs, and therefore his promife is what he will doc for vs, not what he would haue vs to do for our fc lues, and as he freely giucth vs the inheritance, fo takcth \^pon himfclfc s to ma^ os meete to he ^ *'•***' partakers of bis inheritance. To which purpofc .S. ^/»/?i« notably h^ugufi.inPf. fpcakcth, wholy ouerthrowing A^» Bt[hops companion;^ (7*^ ^Mu'^'ftltit^-P^''^*fi^^''^^*'f^^^^^^^P ^*^^ ^^^3 immortality tovt beeing mor- tem,mortdtbns ta/ly tufltflcatton tovs bcetng ftnnerSfglorification to vs being ahteUs t^aTJ!bu!'uP- ^"^ cafiawaies. fVhatfoeuer hee promi/ed, hee promtfed to vs be* ficaxtontnt^abiiHis ingvnxforthy ^ that it ptfght net bee promifed as a wages or re- %ifcqTi"yZn[n voardfor mrki, ^«^ beeinggrnce by name, might be gratis and freely indigms promifit, gtucn, becattfe to tine iufity ^fofarre asman can lifteiuffly^is not a mat- turmercTsDra-"' f^y importing mans mertt but the benefit and gift of God. Let M* mittereturfei Bi^op therefore learnc hereby, that God doth not reft vpon our m^graJs'dmu!ri%ook bchauioutto infcofe vsto xhtfee fjmple ofthelandoftheli^ fl-iiahocipfum fiing y but that good behauiour it felfe is a part of that blelTlng i^uatumbomo fo- whcrctobyhis frecpromifehchathinfeofcd vs. The originall of tflnt "tiit""^' which infeofcment confiftcth in the grace of Gods cledion , the n humani fed bene'. ItHerieandfeiftn'm thegtaceof his adoption^wherein he hath made ijKj^^tum eft. Yj 1^ j J children and ' hetres at touching hope ofeuerlafimg Itfe^ w hich kEphki.^, therefore we cxpeee may know at n^'mdieiit"*' that day, is Saint Bernard faith, /6<«f, not for the worlds ofrighte- f'^*'*'J^'''^"'*oufne[[evphtchvfiehanedone^ht4tofhis owaemercie he hathfauedvs, u jitix, f, ijj^j^jjy tl^crcforc doth M.Perl^iniidLy, chat in regard of ottrfelues and ottr owne indifpofitionvpec haue to defpaire of our Saiuation^ etten to the very deaths as beeing vnworthy thereof Butfaitli A£. Bi" pjop ^ Not fo good Syr ^beranfe nek»owthat he hejiovpeth mercy vppon thevntPorthyin the firfi sftfiffication ofa (inner. But what is that to giuc v« hope, to fay that God inBaptifmc fliewcth mercic to vs though of the Certaintie ofSaluation, ^ o s though vnworthy, if it bcc true which hec addcth , that hce m'd not admit into the kmgdome ofhcauen any vnrvorthy ; when as after Bjd- tifmc wearc all /o farrctrom being worthy chcreof? N.iy faith hex, Godgiues mengrace while they litte to vcorkf that they are made vcor- thy of bis heaHenlyktr.gdome. But where is that man that huth rc- ceiued (o great grace, as that he mny be thought to be inadc vvcr- thyofthchcaucnly kmgdome.'' /ff^« Baptift faith of Chhft,™ ^'^WmMari- not worthy to loofe the iatchet of his (hoe j and who is hce then of W'homc it may bee faid, that hce is worthy to raignc with Chrift in his kingdome ofgloric I The Centurion of whomc Chrid gauc te- ftimony, that ■. heefomdMet fo great faith ^no not in Ifrael, yet con- »Mat.8.io. fcfleth ofhimfejfc," 1 am not tvorthie that thou Poouldefi enter vnder °^'"-^- myroofe ; who is he then ofw home we may be perfwaded that he is worthic to enter vnder the roofe ofhcauen? p N o man (hevccih [tick i chryfofl.inCc!. contterfation of //fe,CMih Chryfoffome^oithat heeuvporthy ofthehea- ''°'"-^- ^'""<' '«- uenlyki»gdome,h(4tthi, isveQlythegtft of God. How then Hiall wc^.I^^r'^Sf bekcucAf.B/Jhop^ that any manCo workcth, as that thereby hce "^^ '^^^'""^^'"" IS made worthy of the heauenly kingdome ? As for the place which Sf^^'ilt^ heciccthoutofthcReuelation,it is at large to be handled, asisthis^"- wliolc point concerning worthinefle, m the qucftion of Merits^ and therefore thither I rcfcrrc the Reader for ihc txphcation thereof. S. W. Bishop. 7he fft reafon for our opinion is taken out of M. Perkins fecond exception, to veit ; hort^foeuer a m.in ma \ bee ajjiired for bts pr e fern fl ate ^ yet no man ucertaine of his perfeuerance to the end.'* And therefore ^ although vee might beaffhredofoHr l»flification,yet can vce not be cer~ taineofeurSaluatton. For hce onely that pcrfcucreth to the end, fliall bccfaued. M.Perkins anfrer />, that prater doth affure vs to perfetiertothe end : forGedbidi vsprjty^ that vfee fall not into temp- tation, and promifeih an tjfue foorth : So then the affurance depends ^'^°^-^'^' vponprater, andnotvponour former fatth. What then t f vcee doe not pray faasrreefhonfd ? may not the enemte then, not one/y wound, but l^llvsto} It cannot bee denied :.ind therein, as in diner fe otherirorl^es efpietie, many hauebeer.e too toajlacke, at thepitifull fallof thoufandf haue taught vs. Oh/««. fioiS.Vanlinexprefetearmesfay^ That feme hauing faith and good confcienccj expelling good confciencc," haucmadefliipwrack of their faith? ofwhomwerei>jfname,Hymcf)?susand?ikx3nder. The ?,Tim.4 lil^ey That m the laft dales, fome fhould reuolt FrotB the faith : e^- i.Tiro./. gatne^ Thatfomc for couetoufhcire fake, had erred from the faith. And for example aj^ongf} other, take%^u\ thefirsi kjng oflfrael, whS ^^ ^' was at his eleClion[a4 the holie Ghofl mtnejfeth')fogooda man.ihu rher was no better then hee in all Ifracl, andyet became reprobate^ a&i^in j.Rcg.i5.8:itf. Scripture figntfied. 'the Itke is probab/e of Solomotiy and in the newei AS-S. Tefiameut of ludas the traitor jC^ SimonM^gusivhemS ■ Lukcfaithj chat healfohmifelfebelecued, and after became an Arch -her et the ^ and fo died: the like almofi may be verified of all Arch-heretikes, whe before they fell, vpere of the faith ftiU. R. Abbot. This argument were fomewbnt worth, IfGod hauing made vs partakers of his grace did thenceforth leaue vs to our felucs and to our o wne keeping, for then there were not onely cafualtic but ccr- tainticofour falling away from him. Butlookeby what our faith afIurcthvsofprefentftanding,by the fame and as farreit fecureih »Rom,8.58. VS againft fututc falling,thc aiTurance of faith becing that " neither things pre fent nor things to come fhall feparatevs from the ioHeofGod^ xvhichis in Chrifiour Lord. It lookethvpon God as a carefiiU father, whohimfelfc '' teacheth all his children that they kEfa y4.ij, maybecfurc tolcarnc ; as a good ihcp^itd^.tdikmi'' fo ^athereth his «Icr.aj.3 4- fi"^*^ of the Certainty ofSaluation. ? o f ^ocke 04 th.tt tione ef them ^lallbe lacking ; as a good liUsbandiDan, ^ j^^^ ,7.,, cliatfbfenccth ^ his vtnej/ard and ksepeih U flight A»dday, that Mone cMai.io.if. ajjailc or Iiurt it; as a ' roc^f ftrong and lure, io zhntthe^.ites c>\st\ o\ tcnuatmmfum ours, but by his ownconcly powcr,''»'/;o ftnce the fall of maMwtll'^'"'*'^'""'^" not haue it to belong to any thtng but hit only grace ^ that either we come m Oepr^dejl. vnto him or do not afterwards depart from him. In a word, faith fccthjC^'"'-'^''""^.*"'/* in the word o\ God chat the vvorke ot grace is jrrcuocabJe , and btUurfixafunr. ftandcthfartand inuiolatc for cucr*^ neither doth God blind ^^'f^f^^^^'h^^'py^. whom he hath enlightened ^nor defiroynhat he hath butlded, norplacke d^.f^nci.c.t.ij. vp xvht he hath planted Jbecattfe theqtfts and caHtncr of God are with- ^""/t ^'i ^"'' cut repentance y^ that u, they are firmely ejtablijhed to bee vcithout any foso-vtxMir.&t change ^(o that " rvhom he hath called and $ei(iified, them he glorifieth^ ^tct^vI'tlTi. becaufc" he ealleth and lufltfiith none but whom hee hath predefljnated i.cap cMumDcu vntoglorie5and therefore it follow eth, that heegiueththcm p^^fe- ^'XpiufidlHi'' fierance^ottheattainementofthc\i\d giorie. ? The Father , faith /«J'«/^/«./^r^«f Ambrofe , that rvoi the giuer cannot rettoks his gifts, nor put arr.iy him V^^^[^''f/^'l''\. from the grace of his fatherly a jfetl ion ^ whom he hath enter: atned and tcrmaffio>tenp>at.(trlefuper!ie»nni nion omtunoinp it'.i ijl.^i fuc D u\ /»fj/rfr(j<- tur bmidquaqHam talin funt a quthm videlue: noniiomi,;:a>t tempu<.non -eiu-n ,:du<.i [jruiti -lit^mn if ft dk:bo'm. non rtioTi tngru(»i^dttur6ire vot pctrrir,(!tun ve/morltii cum (umui,ium dcmUm jiir/.tih ca [»ffLutiM$, ttqatadt^ tjueff. gredimar m.ii^is,eo matoribut tjfi^is/rufm.'(r. r4 ./. 5 0(5 of the certainty of Sduntm. ofad!4erjtthfy*iorths dtnelljnar death a^f reach tug cdn remoue vt, yea tOrigtn. in Jere. when we are dead.we do more ajfttredlj pojjcjfe thefame.ln a word "■ it k7//o&*' isimoolfible. faiih Ortgenjhatthat uhich God cfHickneth [hottldhee viutftcam't Deuf flume, either bj himfdfe or any other, Ir is true then thac hee [onely') dlfjt^'''''^^thAtfer^eHerethtotheend^Mlbee(aued, but itis true alfo that God i^itgM corrupt, giueth prcfcuerancc vnto Saluarioa to all them to whom he hath Si£>?rrl««r4 g'-Jen the true filth of Valuation, ^fucha gift ef perfenerMce , as Dei per grit lam yjQf oHehmthout whtcb thffjf ca»tot perfefiere , but by which they doe uLldiMm" *io of^'^r ^^^ perfenerepv by ivhicb they doe certatnlj perfenere , fo as fer[euerm:u d.t- ih^ithcir futth doth neucY finally fdite^ neither fhall thetr end find it *rZm/ffId!mur butcomtminginthem. As touching this point Af.Perkttts anfwc- mnfoittm vtfine (.^.j yefy eftcibja!ly,that wee^ray that God\roHldnot faffer vs to bet yan-Tefcnol'of- ^"^holj oHercowe ofthc diuell in a ay temptation^ xvhen we fay, Leade vs fim,-vemm etiam „^f intotemftation^andthat to this petition tvech^ue a prormfe anf^e- nomff iwfiri7^re! rablc^that God withtemptationwtllgiHe an ijjae , and thsrefore that ftnt ^ jiiii tomm fhe dinellhorvfoetier he wound i he faithfully yet /hdHneuer bee able Vf in%L%^'elm tcrlyto ouercofxe them. Whcr^to M.B:(hop very idicly rtplieth ac- mfirn.tnen':emTji. sordine to his mancf, bv a fifkicie pfdiuifton th^t then the affurance finis. dependethvpon prayer ^ and not vpon our former faith. But let him i)fJ>ytTr, ^'^^^ ^^^ ^^^'^ anfwcr in efFcit againe, that the aflurance ftill de- Aiifo-^forxiLiiu pcucieth vpon faith, which ^ faith is thefoumame of prayer , which tfit'ru^6Si prayer bcg-7eth of God as Chrift hath commanded. Lead vs not concciatwe'tquAinto t^mptation^ which to whomfoeuer it is graunced,"^^^ r^tf ^utuTtriiiuo- ^ifiofGodperftuerethinthatfanSiific^tion which by the gift of God Mimin pincttfica. he hAih riCeiHed,becaufe no manfaileth ofperfeuerancebut by beeing *D^odlZ'"'l7- led into sewp:atio»:mA concerninj^tempcation the Apofiles words cepit,DM(io>tdnre imoott thc promifc of God to all the faitiifuJi, " God ii faithfully pms-N^J/^utf- wh^owtllnotfufferyouto hee tempted aboue yeur Jirength, ^ut toge. H pe>fenerare they wit h the tenjptatiofiiviligfue the ijfue, that ye may be able to bear 'S^t!m^ if. Where upon S. Ambrofe (:i\thmo\\ notably to thc purpofe wre inferatur. hjuc in hand, ^ Therefore doth the Apofile fay, that God 14 faith full y/.£i''/«°'.'i. and will no: fufer them to he tempted aboue their ffrength , becaufe he 1 ajdio fideUm fjath prowtfedto gtue the kingdome of heauen to them that hue him, ^■!n^dTtur.mje And mufl needs giuc the fame' becaufe hee is faith full. For that caufe jpromifii Dsxi dili' geatibus ler.'gniCiUftia.&detmciffecJl^mifdehi e/?. VroptercaergotrihuUtis pro fe adsrit,ncc pxtietur tamumir- . rogieclus&KO>teril: qui accipiat. Sed qutafidelisefi Deuf q»i promt fit fubusnitvttmplcat quod from,%&c.Non flusfermittituret impom qudm fatur fcr- rj-pojs^y:q'w:odie{a.ttnaitftrf!tttmurq;Mfciturv'tra. nonpoJfequkmtndi'.otoUrare. thtrc* of the Certainty of S ah at tort, 3 0 7 therefore he will hefre-ent to them being in trouble ^or his fake ^ar.dxoti Kotfu^erfo much to be L.td. vpon them Oi is not to be fnff'ered , but ei~ ther inl/c^kfe the tempta ton to ceafe,or if ft be lona^tvi/qiMefirins^th to endure it : otherxvife he jhall not gme that rvhichhe promtfcd^becaufe the party fnjferingfl}all bs ouercome ^ being a manfubie^ to infimtiy^ andfefhallriotbeetoreceihcthepromile. But becaufeGodis fatthfull irhxh hath promtfed,he helpeth htm, that he may fu' fill his promife^and no more is permitted to be laid vpon him^ then it is knoxvneto Cod that he ts able to beare,fothat he it not fujfred to be tiwpted the fourth day that is knotvne not to able to beendt4re beyondthe third day.80 then by thisfachcrsiudgemenctheApoQlcrin thofc words giucth to vndcr- ftand, that God hauing promifcd to the f^aithfull tde kingdome of heau;n, doth foproiiidc, as that he may pcrforme vmo them his promilVjWhichhcfi-ioldnotpCirorme, ifcirhcriheirownlightncs or any aduerfc power fliold prcuailc to mnlcc them vncapable thcr- of, and therefore he fiiffereih them not by any temptation to bee t-iken away from him, but giucth them con flancy and pcrfeucrance whereby they wade ou: of the flouds thereof, that they ncucr bee drowned in them. This is the piomiTeof God, and this promifc fai^happrchendetb, and accordingly praieth nudbclceucth accor- ding tothcpromifcj that it fliall obtainc that which it praieth for, and therefore fhall not by any temptation be vttcilyoucrthrown. B Jt »^h.u then, {i'\th M, Bifliop, tfxve pray not fo aswe ought! may not the enemy then not onely wound but alfo kfflvs ? VVe anfwer, Yes in- deed M Bi(h op, \\t\sou\ A fo, and both f.iiih & pratcr^and al would faiIe,ifGod were not the keeper and maintaincrthereof.Butit hath beenc before f3id,that/rf/r^ isthefotintaineofpraier^and therefore C}oJ in the keeping oFour faith, conrinueth our praier,bccjufethe ft: eame cannot failfjfo long as the fountaioe failcth nor. Praieris the breath of faith, which neuerceafeth to b/eath, fo long as it is a- liuc Hraicrsarethebcamesof faithjifthe hghtoffaithbe notqiicn chedjtccrtainly fcndcth forth his bcamsofpraicr.^ CAr/7?r){> rfore „ , hauma praieA for hi4 ^that their faith may not faile^tt piat neuer fatte fi- rcpt.c^ grr.ca. naUytnafijofthsm. And thcrefo;c they llial ncuervrrcrlvciueouer 'V/'**1' """^ to pray vnto him, that it may Detulnlled totnc^vhich ispromited, dilict.is fidn rcnm ■ eucryone that calleth v?onthename of the Lord, (liallbe fatted. And f""'^j:'»""'-j^fi: / I -' r cut -vlque in put. fiirciy God wantcth not mcanes whereby to prelcrue; nd continue aR0m.10.j3. both the one & the other, not onely byinftriid^ion&aduertifment of the word & facramcncs ,but alfo by corrcdtion and difciphnc of crofTcs 3o< of the CertdntyofSAlmttoH, bl.Cili.\6. croffcs and afRidlionSj and many grciuanccs of temptations, by which as occafion fcrueth, he frctceth ofFthe ruft, & blowcch away the afbes of carnal fecurity;fay occafion whereof as children affrigh- ted or greiued, runnc to their father for fuccor, fo are we raoued togoby praier v^ntoGod, according to ths faying of the Prophet E[ay : b L rd tn ajf/tclion they haue viftted thee ^t hey haftepovured forth apyaierwhefjthychii/it/emefjfivasvpoKthem.Aihcnthexcforcofouv feiues wc eafily grow flack both in praier, and inall other works of piety & godlineffc^yet God prouideth to the contrary, to keepc the cjob.jj.1tf.r7. fiteot his fpirit continually burning in our hcart the fulnesofhtm ^" '**'' /^i4//.Seeingtherroreencry triicbelccueristruelyamc- bcr ofrhis body,& hclpech to make vp ximftilnefje of Chii(},it canot bethatChrirtniouldfiifFcranytriicbcIefucrto perifli but quicke- ncth & cherifhcth cucry fuch mcbci with his fpint of !ifc,&: hcalcth the wound J and fickncflcsthcrof,thatif may ncuer die. But ofti is point further inthefcc^ion next (sue oncjherc it fiiall I'lifTlcc to exa- mine thofctext«& examples cfholy Scripturcs,which he faith arc cotrary to that that M.Pcrki»s here affirm'cth.VVhich it thcv be ttJ4- ^^-andfAi/wtf.ashefaithjWemaytliinkchima very fllly msW.thstof thofcw^w^ could make no better cljoicc then he hath done. The firfl place is that of our SauiourChrj({, ^ Euoj bvAnch tnme not bcarinqt,\o\\^i.i. frttit^ hen-ill take away. Wherein the Reader may eafilv fee, that he doth bur only abufe tKcfimpliciric and ignorance of fuch as can- notcfpic his fraud. Hetelleth vs o{ taking avoAj ihehranchts that kearenofuity whcrasthc matter in qiuftion is ofihcpcrftucrancc of thofc branches that do brinp; torth fruit. We doubt not Inic i\\cbranches\\b\Q\\ hzzic no Umi (h^\hc taken array ^ bnrwefpeake of tranche f, which as touching pre frnt fiate do bring forth fruit, & oUhcour S^u\ouT2ddctW' Efifry brach that beareihfrutt^the father ^^''^^^'' fttrgeth it that il way bring forth more fruit. The branch the that bca. rcth fiuitflialperfeucr,&lhalIneuerbccLitoff, becaufe the Faihtr purgeth it that it mAji bring forth merefrttit. But Aif.BipJop will vr^c that Chrift Cnih,Euerj! branch /» wf;therby to (ignificjthat cue thofc b anches which do not beat c fi uir are in Chri(J,3nd yet are cut ofFS: taken away But there is no neceflfitie of any fijch conftriidtion : the words are rather to be taken as we read the, Euery branch that bea- reth notfrmt in me For eucry man is compared to ^ branch, & natu- rally we areal b; aches of a wild vine, as we grow fro the corrupted ftockcof /^^<««», & bring forth none but fowre& vnfauouric fiuif, fo that to bring forth good fruit wchad need to be tranfpjantcd& rcmouedfrom thcf^ockeof /^^jw»,tobc ingraffcd into Chrifl. And this may the words of Chrift import, that the Father t3kcth& de- ftrr^ieth eucry branch that fli! cotinuc th to bring forth fruit in y^da, and IS not implanted intoChrifi to biing tortii fruit in him.W hith cun(h u6hon if we follow, as it caricth mul^ pi cbjbi!ity,thcn here is 3 1 o of the CerUinty ofSdttAtton, isnotliingfaidofany to be cutoff chat is a, branchm Chrift the true vine, but o( branches taken and ca(l away that are not in hini. But yctgrantinghimthatreadingofthe words which he dcfircth, yet he is no whit tiic nearer to his purpofethercby.For men arc di- uerfly vndctftood to be in Chnftjfomc by fcmblancc&nieWjOiher feme in deed and truth :iome by outward calling & profedion on- ly; other fome by grace and inward regeneration rfomc according to the flefh, and in the eie of the Church, other fomcaccording to thefpiric atid power of Chri(t,and in theeic ot God, The Church is Y^^y/ijor^ wherein ii both corne and chaffc; the field wherein grow- cth both wheat & tares; the net that catchcth al lorts of fiOies both good ^rbad;the paQurc where iccdbothfheepe and geatesnhc ban^ ^«fr Wy^thatenrertainetha! guefts that com both clothed & vn- cioathed,alyctcoinniingvnderthcnanieof/r/tf« to {ommmiomm fr' maicc 3 fpoile. Now wc are to ditlinguidi them that trucly are in M^lT.7'v"^^a■ Chnrt,frotn them that arc not fo.Of them that truly arc in Chri(l& ^d^im7I"'i^'*^ in prcfentftatcofiuftificationjourfpeech here is, that they can ne- mmitc7hai>mT» uerwhoJly b e cutoff^ thc reii we know are cut offfrom that \whtch TermJ'^f'"" f^^J'f^^»^fdtohaue,butindcc6hadnot'.wWich if they had had indeed t'^wnuterJne,' as thcy fccmcd to hsue, ™ ih.^y fhonld haue had more gtt4eK^that they ^^De'haprca might ha»e abundituce, Am^ not be cut off from that they had. U )s DoHxtiflM.s'.c.i. therefore nothing 3gain(lvs,which ^.^/j^^i^alleadgeth, that fr«//- cw..,«.^. leffglffanches, which in deede are not in Chrift, though they will lupi&iufjin. leeme to ocare cut ott from leemmg any longer to bethat which m /rag.-<«ry«, viif-j^yjj^jj^gy„py^f ^g^g Eu crv ouc t H 3 1 tf iie/y IS 4 branchin Chrift, tjfe, veruHtamen Drinocth torch tHut iH him, & ettery brunch that brmgeth forth frmt^ ndtUamouem ^ (he Father furgeth t hat it may bring forth xwor^ fmf.Huery oncriier- tisvMtjimn fore that is ttulv <« ^r4«f^ in Chrift, as cuery ttuc belecucr is , fliall %lrlmS'bm ^^^''i^'""^ * branch in him for euer,thar it may be verified which thc coKuyiiHntur. P r ophc t fa ith ,n 'sHch as bepUnted in thehonfe of the Lori^fhAlfionrtfh Kufi ' ^j ^ in the courts of our God They pjallji ill bring forth euen in age andfhctl nPidi.-ji.ij.. ^tf^M«^/ri/?,though for the time he fecmc to be ^tTctfia/Jcfm inChriftjhe isff^iy^/cTr^andperiflierh: but it follow eth not there- '"'^"T'"''''^'"'*' forcjihat any man thai faithlully bclceucth inChrift, and thcrfore pr7«r'!JJ»*S tiuiy isinChriftjdothnorabidcinhim. Nay our Sauiour himfeUj^TT'"""",^"'- tcacheth v; the contrary when he faith: ? He that eateth myfle^ and ^ideZrtccuju drinkethmjbloHdabidethinme andlinitm. For what is jt to eat ''{"^^^^ g theflepJofChrtftandtodrtnkehti bloud^bm ^ to beleene in Chrfi,'to't**fl'» l<>'» be partakers of his pajfion.and with comfort a»dvfe to lay vp in our rDl'dlaVhrie. mtndf that hifjit^ was crucified and ivoHndedfor vs ? Euery one chen l'i>:x.c.ip.i6.Fig$t. that truly belecueth in Chrift.eateth his flcOi & drinkcth his bloud ^^fcS and thctcrore abidcth in Chrift, and Chrili in him. No man there- e/fecomnumcM- fore that truly belecueth in Chril},iseuercuroflfor caft forth to wi- TS^:ZZe- therottobethrowncinto the fire. Now to an indifferent Reader I "'^""'*"" '" *"*- might allcdgc, anditcafilyappearctb by the vfcof thattcrmc of'Z^prT^tncL adiding, chat by adiding in Chrt/t, is meant our very bein^ in Chrifi, "fi'"* ^ vulnerd- which is therefore focxpreffcdjbecaufe no man isinChrift truely*'* andindced.butthcfameabidethinhim foreiicr. So that the mea- ning of Chrifls words (liall bee, Jf any man be not trueiy ingrafted into me as th^ruc vine, to grow vpop mee,and to bi ing forth fruic by mc , he is caQ forth as a dead and vnprofitable branch, and fhai come to nought. Butitbootcthnotto allcdgc this to a wrangler, who whatfocucrappearc otherwhere, will norhccrevnderlland it orhcrwifcthentofcruchisowne turnc. Againil him therefore the other folution is plainc, that whofoeucr belecueth in Chrifl, the fame abidcth in him,and therefore fhall ncuer be cut of?,fo that yet be is farre enough from any dcmonf^ration, to prone anv ^ho are trueiy members ofChrtfl, are xvheUy and for euer cut off from him. Let vsrcewhether the rcfl will afFoord him any better dcmonftration. Are xve not by faith, faith he, made members ofChrtfi by our aduerfa- riesoxvn conjfejfion'iYcs M.Bt^op^buty^i not by euery Icind of faith; fo: S. fames faith, ^The diuets beleefie , andyetthcy are not thereby '"'"'' »'f the members of ChrifJ. Wc arc made the members of Chrift only 112 Of the Certaintte ofSduAttoH, by true and liucly faith, whereby Chrirt dwfUcthin our hcartj, of ' cCaLi ii6 which it is that the Apoftle faith,' Te arealltheChttdrenofGodbf faith in Chrijl Ie[ut You will not fay. /I/. Btjhop , that by eiiery faith a ma is fpritually made a meber of Chriftjbccaufe you fay that there 'ufaithmthoutchart!y^znciyoudarenj whereas S, Paul faith not, thatr^^' had faith and a good confcence^ butinftru- c i.Tim.i.ia. <^cth Ttmothie for the fighting of a good ^^ht, to ' haue faith and a goodconfciencSy vfhtch[go»dconfcienee)fome^ faith he, reieUtnghaue made (hipwrack^concerning the faith ^of whom are Hymeneus and A' lexander. Where byfAtth as OectuntmiHsohkiutihi hejncaneth 'a Cfthe Certaintie ofSaluation. 3 1 Y '^ 4 fait hand bcliefe concerning do^rine, and vnderflandeth confcwice << Q^amiM. in t. M touching conuerfMtion ; wbtch confcience of go»dlife, faith hCjrA*^ T,m.i.Fidimdi- reieSltng^ made pjipvorackeofftmb. Forvchena man liueth wickedly , 'd,^.!^Ji.Jonfci' he makefh(hfpwrackeconcerr]i»ff faith. For men, that they may tjot be '""'"» '^'^"1'** 1,1 II r I "^ I / /■ I / ■ circa ctnutjftti*' troHblsd ivttb the terronr of things to come, labour to perjivaae thstr „emeji.^^3m orone minds ythat thofe things are lies rrhtch with vs are koken concer- ""?"" conjumtt- ning the rejurrection anaittdgement to come. S.Pan/s wo wsmcn im- etcvintitdonpci- porttliat chcyhad proftfledriicfaith.thjcis.thtdcc^rine of faith, ('f" -^"WA.? I in- ii^i/i' ii I r T I yti cthmqunri' the do6triiK which in Cnriltianity v\e bclccucancl protclic, bwi probt viximct* they held not ^ the myjierte of faith in a pure con/eience, they liucd t^X^ftTo', lewdly and wickedly in thepiofcdi.inof the faich; tlicirconfcicn- Swmdcmne tcr- ceswcrc fraught vviththe guilt of folIoAing rhcir ov\ne vngodly ^cTlc!*'m,°"a!o *• luftsj and therefore they renounced the fiith, the doflrinc of God, nimopnfuadm that they might not thereby find any crcfic or checkc- in their dam- j'^'S'JLT"^" niblc and wicked coiirles. \V. acisthis tothattiuc faith, u hereby «/^'''wr <<«'«/««•- webeleeucinChrifttoiuflih'cationand lightcoufiRflc $ wheieby Utll'ur!^'"' %vc rcpofc the truft and confidence of our Saluacion in him^and do • iTim.j^, trucly call vpontl'.e name of the Lord? That they had not this faith it isplamc, becjule 5. /^rf«/ faith plainciy, thitthiy rcieClcd a good conjciencej for a ^good confctence is alwaics an infe parable compani- on of an vnfarnedfatth. The gi eater is the impudcncy c f this brab- '■"'""'""J-J' Jer, who faith as out of the Apoftic, that x\\^y\\zf\agoodco»fctencej* vvhcrcssthc words of the Apoifle are uuc«5tly contrary tothathcc fiith.The other two places arc of thefjinc {oxi^fome inthe lafidAieS fha'lrcho/tfrom the fiith^ind ^ fame for coHetotifneffe^ haue erredfrcm i. cap".\*o! thsf'.tth, meaning by faith the dodtnn ot tlieChurch,as where it is faid, ^ feme of the Prttftsxvere cbedient to thefiith; and agaii:e, ^ He i Aa.6y. freacketh the fatth trhich before heede/frotedytii\d ati;aine, ' Rtbnke * Gai.i.ai. ihem(hjrpe/y that they maj be found in the faith, zi\6 therefore in the former oithofc two places, he oppoferh to faiih "" the doHnres of"" j.Tinn.t, diue/syt'rtzt \ojatth may be known to flgnifiethcdodtine uhich is otGod. That rcuoh then is fio the faith ofpublik preaching wfiich wicked men make rtiew to rcceiue ondy by hyprocriticsll & faincd faith-,not f!5fiithnrpriuateconfcicnce whcrby ouly tuiebclccuers make vfc or the f.iirh of publike preaching, fo thcsr own comtort & Saluation, which is therclore celled nt he faith of Gods elecl, be:aufe • Ticm. it is found in none but only the r/ theiforc hi5pl<«ctsitruc not hispurp^.pfe,ici vslccnovvtiic examples "Ahith he alltagetb. hi ft.. 3 1 4 of the Cmmtie ofSduntm. . Firft he bringeth5o»Afrf|^«/ once members of lefusChirft. Oilndas our Sa- uiourChrift faith, when he was at the beft, x.hu^ he was adiHel^and «Joh..j.7o. .y./o^woutof theexperienceof his whole conuerfation, that"^?* • cap.i j^. ^^ ^ theefe^ thereby fhewing that it neuer was with any true heart that he followed Chrift, but onely to make a commodity to him- » Aa,8.i J. fclfe. Oi Simon Ma^us^ S, Lnke faich indeed, that \he bcUcHed,h\it io of the Certainty ofSalitation. g i y foajt^at?^/^rpcrcciucthamidrthisbcIccuing,thatyAAf/jMr/w<«rfjV»tfiw^tfro/^/rf^<7<^, vvhercuppon hceinferrcth, that there Ihould then be a ncccflicy ofrcbaptizing, as a confcqucnce ofyour ab- furdity,not as an aflcrtionofhis owne. A man would fcant thinke you well in your wits, to handle a matter To croflcly and vnto- wardlyasyoudo. As touching the raatter,albcit littcraliy ic bee true,that a man being tphollj etit off fro Chrtfl^mufi neceffariljf be bap- tiijed to enter him agatne ^yc\ in that fenfc, wherein we here fpcak ofctttting off from Chrtjl, namely concerning fpirituall and inward grace, IconfcfTc ingcnuoufly that there is no ncccffity of that con- fcqucnce which Mailter Perkins inferrcth thereupon, ifa man he wholly Cf4t off from Chri[l, hcc hith no inccieft io Chrift, nor X a Chrift 3 1 S Of the CeYtmty ofSaluatm. Chriftinhirn 5 the bond of baptifmc is diirolucd, neither doth there iftand any relation thereby betwixt Chrift and him. For if there (hnd any tiallorbond betwixt Chrift and him, then is lice not wholly cut ofFr Suppofingthena man after baptifmc to bcc wholly cut off, which cannot bee till finallimpenitcncie hauc for cucr diuidcd him from the body of the Church, but this yet being fuppofcdj there fliould be a ncccfllne of baptizing him againe, to giuc him admiflion into the focieiic of Chnih Church. For ihac this cannotbe done by M.Btfhops facrament ofpenance, hee him- felfcmuft needs confelfc, bccaufc their facrament of penance is as they call ir, fecuttda tabula pofi nanfrntgifim ; and he that is fo wholly cat off, wantcth the firft, without which the /JcW hath no place. Or if he doe not wan t the firfl:, if he doc not want the title of bajp- lifme, then he is not rvhollj cut ojf, which is the thing to bee fuppo- fcd. The Church of Rome holdctb, that baptifmc leaueth in the foule, i»dclel>i/em chara5ierem, a charaBer or print that can ncuer he dtfprimcd. But fuppofe the fame to bee defaced and difprin- tcd, and then I fuppofe that Mafter Btfhop will gram, that there is a neceflfitie to be baptized againe. It cannot be, faith hee, and fo fay we, that it cannot bc,that a man baptized Hiould wholly bcc cue off from Chrift, but that by outward calling Chrift and his Church hath intercftin him during life, fo as that by true repentancc,witb- out any further b»ptifmc,hc is rcftored againe jyct vpon fuppofall it followcth which wee haue»faid. Now if Maftet Perkins fpakc vpon this fuppofall, it (hould fo follow indecde, but the drift of the matter in hand neceflarily drawethvs to another vnderftan- ding. For when wee fay that the regenerate man is neuerv/holly cut off from Chrift, wee meanc it as touching inward and fpiritu- •x.loh.j.j. 3J1 grace, thatitneuerfo dcfcdteth, but that there is flill * afeede thereof rematning J that (hall grow againe. Yet if we fuppofe it to be true, which the Papiftsfay,that inward grace of regeneration may be vttcrly cxtermined for the time, ( do not conceiue that it ftbould thereoffollow, that another baptifmc fhould bcneedfull for being rcftored againe.For by the mark of Chrift firft fct vpon him, Chrift flialjftilfftand entitled to him,&it ftialbc his fin in the mean time, that he applicth not himfclfc to him, whofc by right he ceafeth not 10 bcc. And if a man in hypocrific rccciuc baptifmc, fo as that hee bccom- of the CertAtntte ofSduAtton, '31^ becommeth not thereby at all the member of Chrift, yea and thenceforth for the time runne into Paganifme or herclie, we will not hold that if he be afterwards truly conuertcd,'hce fliould neede forthemakingofhiraarocmberofChrift, to be fccondly bapti- zed, but that baptifmc before receiued, now commeth to vfc and elFedt, and yccldeth that fpirituall fruit which it did import before. So therefore though it be fuppofcd that the grace of Chrift io any man be vtterly razed and defaced, yet fhall it not follow, that hce ihall be baptized a fecond time, but baptifme before receiued fhall returnc to the fame vfe that it had before, not by thi counter fee if^- mfrcf <>,',■ „r,,. notably confirmcth.whenhcc faith of reprobates;^ Noneof ihefe'^'""^','''"^'^ doihOodbrtng tofptrituallam heattbfullrepentance, whereby maHtni'»r,'!>ff(yvce4- Chrtfl is reconciled vnto God, whether he ye eld thett) patience for l»n- 'l!'J'l!^f^"ll'f,, rer or (horter time. And as he cxcludcth them from ti uc repentance cr iHfliticwt.nec , deJltnjuit.VKJ- «»"r, iu/iifica:tit^p(is cr ^ ntficauit, c5^ t. e Cont.luUan.Ptiag.lib ycuf.l.JJloruM »emi»tm td^lucit ad pasnittntiom filuhrtm & ffiritiuLm fu h$m» tnChi^* rfteatuAl ur Dte.fmc lUu fmpUoiempKtKntki n. {quam t!c£lu)ftut »»» tmptrtm o a i(.tf . X 4 (o ^22 oftheCertAintieofSduAtm, f€ant.aimfar. fo doih lic alfo froiTi forgiuenclTe offinncs, fayiog,that 'GfidforgU t^t!!^''^i"'^''''^efl^tf9ffimes,mtofalL kHtoftbem whomhefortheeforehew axd ommum/tcuuftifredeftiHatffd, Origen yet goein rurtncr, andlaitn, that s the 'imlt'^Lr&^^^^^^i^^f^^'^ (meaning the true and effcaudJl knowledge of prxdeftinaiUt de- God) ts grauHtedoncijfVfttt them, who arc hereto fredeftmate, that forfg7n!cm. knowing Godthey may line worthy of him. Now if reprobates ncucr cjif.ub.'j. cnct. haue any true knowledge ofGod, if they be fecludedfrom rcpen- JimtS^Zt tancc,faith,iuftification,Sc forgiucnefie of finnes, then thefe things tdhocfr^dtfli' ale proper oncly to the cleft,which doccrtaincly pcrfcuer:and our wfcD?^y/^"affertionistruci thatwhcre there is true repentance, faith, iuftifi- vimnt. cation, knowledge of God, there infallibly follow eih pcrfcue- Tancetotheend. Saint M» therefore when hec faith. They were mt ofvsy as he meaneth that they were not of the eleU^ fo he nica* neth that they ncuer were of the number of true belccuers , neucr true members ofChrift, or of the fpirituali body of the Church,. vviiieh if they had hecnc.hce condudcih for vs, that they fliould hauc fo continued, and not in that (brt hauc vttcrly iallcn away. f» ^utu^l.dteer- Therefore doth Saint Aufttn expound the words of them, ^ who B^tupri,^r'fi^i^^^^ temporally receiftedy are ofvs c Ailed the children of Gody h^t fufceptam vtitc- jet ATC not fotoGod^ affirming plaindy, thae with Gud they are not E«f«rS»r chtldrc»y though wee call them fo, bccaufe thcy fcemc no other to necfm tamin qut fight. And tothc fameputpofc hcaddeth foone after: ^ They i ybii.cumfl'ij were4tot ofvs what meaneth itjfut they were not children of God when Dei-dicum, No4 they went vnder the profefpon aad name ofehildren? Now i f the y w ere trout ex nobi/, ^ ,.,, -J ,' r , , ' - &c.^utdtiUudM-^ mucr chtldren of G»d^thcnwcrcincy ncucr truely regenerate; ror sut,mfi>iontrMt [jy beit>g borne of ©odj thcy rauft needs hauc bccne the children trlnt^H frofcffio.o^ Go<\. Neither cucr had thcy truc faith : fot '^ to fo many at ^ el ec- w^r"'''" ^^' **^ ** him^hegaue a dignitte {or prerogatifte)to h thefonncj of God, (lohn i.ji. Therefore when hefaith of fuch, that they wereift goodnejfe^ they nvrr wr^tf/rf/fA, it muft be vndcrftcod as touching outward pro- fcilionj and to the iudgementof the Church, and by affent and ap- probation of iudgment and vndcrftanding, but ncucr by inte- aritie&foundncircofafll'c^lipn, or true regeneration ofthe heart. \'^Sa{i.ls\c Which may appeare by the expofition that he makcth thereof vpon fi*nt ittcorfari that cpiftlcof 5./tfJ&«, whctc fpcakingofthofc apottacacs hefaith; ^^mtrZt ^Soaretheyi»the^odyofChrifiafemllhfimorJi»ouyhd;;Nomcm. fitandoiurnHH' bcrsthcn, no parts of the body, hut as entll humors in the hod? ^ of li^I^w"''"** whichfomc arc more kind &.lcfTc ofteliucjpthcraltogethcr vnkind and: Ofths Certainty ofSduAtion, % 2 5 indhurtfull, cucn as ofthcfc tcmporiz».rs in the Church , fomc come nccrcr to the ttucfaithfull, other fome are wholy wicked and difTcmbling hypocrites, but of them all it is true," Temptation ^ro-'^^'^^lf^^'^^^ tteth that the^ are net of vs. H^hen temtatiQnbefalUtbthem, euen oi funs ix « ^k. it were bj occafvn of a mud, they fiie out, heCaufe they were not corne. fj;^^"^)^!!!"^,)! They might Iccmc to become: but indcedc they were but chafte: lui *:f.i/;ewv«»H they hada fcmblance, butthcy hadnot the reaiiie of the ftate of ^l^'^^^i^'^IJi ,. children./t/.^//^tf/j/ cxpofition thcrfore auailcth nothing, but that rtm', it ftilllhndcth true which we affirme,that true faith asit afliircihof prcfcnt {late, fo doth allure alfooffuturepcrfeucrance, to the end chat God may pcrformc to eucry belccucr that which he hath pro- inifcd, that befhallnot ^eri/b but haue eHerlaflwgltfe '^ui becaufe he cannot prcuaile by anfwering, he will make futhcr ti ial what he can do by arguing, talcinpfor ground the words of i'./*^*/, fitft to the Romans, " Thoufiandefl by faith^be nothtgh minded but feare : Cc- '^^°"^-^^'^^- condly tothe Phihppians, " fVorkeyottr Sa/Hation mth feare 4ind oPhil vu. trembhtig. And to make the better (liew he faith -, that there are 4- boae 4 hundred fuck text J in hotjf writ ^wherin the holy Ghefi exhort eth vs t§flattd infe^tre of Sa/uatton. But if thef be fuch texts as thcfc which he hnh here alledged,they arc admonitions againft caroall prefumption^and nodifcouragementstotrue faith toAand a{rured ofSaluation.ThcScripturcfpeakethdiuciflyof fearc, ajid he doih but dally vpon that cquiuocation. There ii a doubting and 61" ftra(5lingfcare,whichGodforbiddcth, as being the enemy of all fpirituail comfort and affuranceof faith:andthereis anawfuil and regarding fcar,which God commendeth as the vndiuidej compa* nion of true faith. As we yndcrdind feare to be oppofit tofaithyWc hcarc God appointing his miniftcrs to call his people fromit.'' Sa^ P^^* J5'4- vnto the fearefftUy Beyoujiron^^fcdre not t^behould your God commeth mth vegeance^he wtUcome (frfaueyou^Fearenot^for lamwiththeei qCap.4T,i». be not afraid^for I am thy God\ I will (irengthen thee and heipe thee, and fptf^aifte thee With the right band ofmyihfi tee. And againe/F^rr rCapm-r. not. for Ihane redeemed thee; Ihatte called thee by name , thou art mine. When tboH pajjefl through the waters, hvill be with thtCy that they do not ouerfijw thee: when thou w.ill^efi throuab the (ire , thou /halt not be burni^neither (hall the flume kjndle vpon theeJ Fearengty fCip.u i for thou pjalt not be a^amed, neither (h.xlt thou be confounded, ^ In ''' rigbteoufneJJe[haIt thou be efiabltPied^ and be farre from fta^e, for it (I'all 5 2 4 of the Certainty ofsdmtton, ttVcrft 17. ^allftot come neete thee. " 7hts is the heritage of the Lords feruanttt who fe right eoH fie jfe Is of me, faith the Lord, Thefe gracious and comfortable fpceches the Lord vfeth to thefaithfull , that vnder himthcymayreftinfullafluranccoffafcty, without all fcarc or doubtjbecdufehcproraifcthtopreuentallthorc occafions v\ hence any fcarc or doubt fhould rife. Whereupon tt is that Zacharie 1% Luke.1.74. faith.that " hehathdeUnered vs out of the h.^nds of our enemies toferue yHcb.i.ij. himvfiitboutfeare, and Chrift is faid to haucdied ^ thathee might deliver them who for fear e of death were all their life ttm^e fuhtetl to zRom.S.jj". • Ijondage. And theApoftlcS. P^i^/accordingly faith, ^ that wee haue ' aj.T.m.i.7. tjotreceitiedthe fpirit of Bondage 1 0 fear e anymore^ but the * fprtt of adoption to cry Abba^Tatherx t hat God hath not gmen vsthe fpirit of fearefiptt of porver^andof loMe,andofafoundmind. There is no greater ~- bond^age t\\cnfeare of death fW^\\\c\iic^xtitn\tih to a man nothing butghaftiincflc 2ndhorrour,whenhccisvnccrtainc therein whac {hall become of him. Thcreforp Chrift hath deliucred his from this bondage of f ear e J arid that they may red ftabl fhed in the allurancd b Luke IS.3S. of Saluation, faith vnto them, '' Feare not little flocke \for tt is yours fathers pUafnre togitte yon the kjngdome. The Church of Rome biddcth Chnrts flocke to ftand in fcarc ofcheirovvne Saluation; but Chrift the maitterofthe flocke faith, Feare not tit(le^ocke\M\s the fathers pleafrtre to giue yoH the ^ingdome. Thus when he fifith cMsuS »^. to his difciples, ' PVhy areyefearefnll, O ye of little fasth jznd (oPe- d cap.T4.j1. ^*^''» "* ^f^^'* of little faith, tvherefore dide^ thou dokbt ? hcc (hcwcth that faith importctiMn airurcdbclcefcofamans ownc fafctie, and {oih'iddeth feare and doubt f as contrarie thereunto. Now therefore when tjic Scripture commendeth/p^r*, itimportcth not any fuch feare as fliould in the faithfull (bake the alTuranceofSaluationj 'nay thefaithfull man bccaufc he findcth in himfelfcthar/•'»- he fall. Whereby he giucth to vndctrtandjihat outward Handing and profcfhiigof the fai:h,without inward grace and fearc of God ilfuing into a godly life and conuerfation, is i"K)t Handing indeed) but fecming to Hand , and therefore that hee that glorieth therein, if lie be afraid to tall, muHlay a better foundation tor liimfdfe to ftand vp:>n. ThcfeadurRitcmentsliuetaith heareih, and anprc^ hcndcrhihcfamc tomakcvfethcreofjif is afraidtofalI,and tlicre- fore flninncci* that fecuritv and rcioycing in outwaid (Uic where- in thcy,thatapplaud themfelues without ccrrcfpondcncie ofin- waid A 526 of the Certmiy ofSdmtion, wardafFcfllon and godly conucrfation doc meerely delude them- fclucs. Whereby itcoramcth to paiTc,thatinibcpublickcdcfola-* tions of Churches for the contempt of dutic towards God , yet whofocutrhathbelecucdthcvordofGod, and feared his iudge- mcnt, though lapped in the folds of outward cala»iittes,yct is fa- iled from that da^^nation which hcc was fearcfuli by contempt to runneinto. Tobcfhorr, as* man vpon the top of a high tower is W : afraid to fall, and trcmblcth to thinkc thereof, when notwithQan« ding being cnuironcd with the battlements, he is without danger of falling, ^nd not afraid that hecfhall fall : fo the true belccuer trcmblcth with the horrour of the conceit of falling away from j Ephe/:^.io. God, knowing the end ofthcm to bee raott vnhappic that (o doc, jphiu u. vvhcnyct hec rcpdfeth alfurcd iruft in God, that being compaflcd ^utirhuc^i. about with his protection, and dwelling vndcr his defenfc,hc him. &lrmZ^i!^nb-^^^^^ rhall beeprefcrued for euer. Vnder whofc dcfenfe that wcc tuhf7y!d!<^oi *may dwell, there is another /r in humilitie, in due acknowledgement of your owne frailc- rt&trtmore, tie, in fcariug to bee left to your owne felues, in depending mSwmS" wholly vpon God ; f»r, faith hec, // is God that worketh inyoti dtt,dice»5,Deus both to Will and to doe : the adding of which rcafon plainely ft#'^'Si^ ', , "J ** tur. sedfoiici- man of a good worke remceth ta htmfelfe rather then in the Lord, \"itrTh^^nfct^^^^''^^ nothing then that the faithfull (houldftand in feare of their ktmmonet Sa^owoe faluation, but onely that they fliould feare to commit them- &tnZrl!&c' ^'^^"^ '° thcmfclucs, in woiking to the accomplifhmcnt of the fal- uation I of the CertaMe ofSduation. 3 2 7 uation to wliich God hith called thcm,and fliould rcmcnibcr,that all is to be cxpcdcd of Godj mcrcie,vi hence only it is that either wc will or do any thing that is good. VVhich/r4rr is {o farre from giuingyscaufctodoubtotSakiation, as that itmuch rather fcr- ueih to. .rengthen the airurance thereof, whilcft it inaketh vsto red oncly vpon God, and not vpon our fclucs, knowing that our Saiuation dcpcndcth not vponany thing which we can do for cur felucs, but vpon him °»^tf^4//j wao^^/j; (and fo will worke) ^//''E'ii'S.ii. ourxvorkesforvs^ and will nctleauc that vnpcrfe(fl which he hath begun. And\vhcnromctimesweforgcrthis/'(r4rf, and incline to truftinour fclucs^and fay with D^Wj ^ I PjAllfieuerbcremoued, he pPrji.jo.*;. Icaueth vs to the trinll ofour ownc ftrcrigth, fo as that wanting his fupporr, wee fail and funne into enormous oftenfe, ihcf(by tobcc the better intruded how liftlc fafttic wee hauc in our ownc de- fcnfc, and therefore ho'/vncccfTaric It is for vs todepcnd whcllic vpon hii grace. Thus the Apoftic Peter prcfuming too much of himfclfe, and being left thereupon to hirolclfc, fell tucntothcde- nyingandabiuringofhis maftcr Chrift, that hec in himfelfe and wee in him might learne, that '^ hy his o^ne might pjallno man bee^ i.satn.?.>. firong^ and that cuill would our ftatc bee, if our fafcty did not reft onely and altogether in the Lord. Thus therefore in both place* cited by M.Btffio^^ and in many other wc read oifean ; loftare the iudgcment«andthrcatningsof God, which the faifhfuU alwaics doth, bccaufc/^i/^bclceucth them; iofeare to truft in our fclucs, which cuerie faithful! man ai(b doth, hcczi\{c faith it felfc impor- teth tru(t in God: but wc no where readc any thing whereof to ga-) ther that which hceaffirmcth, that ihefaJthluU ought to ft and in^ feare of their ovcneSaluAtion. Now therefore his argument is eafily anfwcred ;for the mtfjorpropoftion, which he faith is piai»/j! prooued bjf the places cited fis mcctcly tilCcy and hath no proofcatall, either by thofe places or any other. And how abfurdly doth he abufc his Readcr,that whereas the propofition by him to bee prooucd is not cxprefied in the places alledged, hec notwithlbndingskippcth ouer with mcerc quoting of them, without fhcwing how the mat- ter to be proued is to be inferred thereof. Butfuchprcticfliifts doc befi become the caufe that he hath in hand, hbom the mai or pro- pofition^ whercofthereiskflequeflion,hcebcltowctb a litrle panics to little purpofc: No manmuft [iandinfearcoftbat ofvrhichhj jauh 328 of the Cerumty ofsdmtm. hffisaJfurvd.V^Ukh wc granr,as it iirportcth a duiic , that no man ought to hauc any fcaie ot that which he is taught to bdceuc, but wc deny that wiiich he faith for the profccutio or expHcanon thcr- of.Fot it is falfcjthat there *> mfeare in faith ^ihu is, rhat ihcreis no faith where there is fcare,orfcarc where there is faith.Fcwhcour j-Maf.8.2^.&i4 Sauior Chrift vpbraidcth his difciples with ' fearfulnes^ dtuhing ^'' "* and yet attributethvnto them /////ff/4/>/-',as before is alledged, hcc plaincly fhcweth,thatAff/ip/'<^/il> isfubieent, arTd fo let hln knowe,that wc on both parts fub- fcribe to thelamc articles of religion eftabliflied amongft vs. * He will fay that there is fome controuerfie about the meaning of fome ofthofc articles amongft vs, andfolcttchim remcmberdiat there IS great queftion ofthe meaning of fomc of the articles of the Trent religion amongft them. In a woorde, wee are able alwaycs toiuftilic, thatin fubftantiall poynts of faith thercisno of TrAditiom. ^ y p fo great difference amongft vs, but chat there is greater to be pro- ued to haue bene continu;klly amongllthem. But now M. B\(hop hauinglightly palled oucr tliolc obleruations of M. Verkins, com- methliimreltccolctvsdownca courfcforthc attaining of the true and right fence of Jioly Scripture.For the riril part whereof, he be- ftirretli his Rhetorical 1 Itumpes by way of declamation, to fliew v$ hovvnecefl'aryitis,thatinthc Cbriftian church there fhould be a Iiidge for ilic deciding and determining of controuerfies and que- ftions tiiac arife about the Scriptures,and if in matters of temporall inilicc ludgcs, be appomted,and euery law-maker doc ordamc go- ucrnoursandludgcsfor the dcclarmgandexccutingof hislawes and God tookc this cour(e amongft the 'people of IfracI in the old Ceftamenc, hcc tellethvsthatfurely Chrift in the new tellamcnt would not leauc his church vnprouided in this bchalfe.VVhcrc wc will fcemc for a timc,not to know his mean jng,but will fimply an- fwcr him, that Chrift in this bchalfe hach prouidcd for liis Church, hauinggiuentiicrcto^ Tajiours Andteachcrsfor the gathering toge-(^f\\t.\.\\.yx, ther cfthe Saints,fcrthe rpcrke of the mimfiery,nt)djor the building vp cfthe body of^^hriJi^ti/Jwe allmeete together in the x/mty of faith and k^jovfledge ofthefonne ofGodvntodferjit man. As in ciuiU ftatcs there are appointed magiftrates and goucrnoursin townesand cities^for the refolution and deciding of caufes iand queftions of ciuil affaires, foJjath God appointed tlicminiftcrs ofhiswcrd^ euery one accor- ding to the portion of the Lords flocke cdfUpttcd vntohim, to deliuer what the law of God is, and to anfwer and rcfoluc cafes and doubts, as touching faith and duty towards God,K to be able to ex~% Tii.[.>. hcrt ntth rvhi/fome dcHrine, and to imprcue them thatjpe^kf 'gainfl it; to be the fame to tiie people, as God of old required the Prielts to be, ^ The Trcifis lippes [hould preferue kffowlcdge^ a>:d men PistUd h Mal«ch.»,7. feiks ^^^' i'^Vfat his mouthy for he ts the mejfexger of the Lord ofhcfies* If ottlicfc » any artfe jpcakingpcruerfe thtrgs to draw T)ifttples rfter j Aa$.jo.;o. f/trwjtiie reft arc warned ** total^heedetotheL'rdsJlocke,3Ui\ ther- ^ Ver.:«. fore are bvcomon fontence & iudgcmenttocondtmne Inch that thereby the people of God may take knowledge to beware of thein But iim the Church any controufrfic or queftion depend parts be- ing taken this \»'ny &thatway,(othatthe vnity of fanh andrcpcc ofthc Church IS endangered therby,theexair.plcot the Apoftlcsis tobcimitated,andinfolemncalVcmbly& councell the matter is to Ppp3 be o^o OfTrdditiom, be difcuflfed and determined, the Biihops and Paftors gathering themfclucs together cither in lelVsr or greater com panic as the oc- cafion doth require ,and applymg thcmfelues to doe that that may be tor the peace and edification oUhc Church, And this hath bene iDeuM7.8.g. ^^^^ ^^^^ *^' %^'^h' Chriltian Princes,that ' as amonglt the lews there •.chron.ig.?. was a liigh court of iudgement eftabUilied for the matters of the Lord, to tiie fentencc wiiereof they were appointed to Itand, yea andhethatdidpr(?/»w/jf«o^(?;opporehimrelte, was to die for his contempt j fo there fhould be in their Chnitan States confillories ofiudgement^alTembhes and meetings of Bifhops for confidering and aduifing of the caufcs of the Church , and what could not bee determined in a leller meeting fhould be referred to a greater, to a Councell prouinciall,or nationall,or gencrall. By their authorieic they haue gathered them tcgether,th€y haue Ibmctimes bin thcm- felues prefcnc and fitccn with them as moderators and after asprin CCS haue by their edi6ls ratified and confirmed what hath benca- greed vpon^as we may fee in ^(^onftantine the great m the Councel taEufeJevtta. ofNiccjin" Co;;J}yWttne thc fourth inthefixtSynod atConltanti- KS'/i'S'^i' "^P^*^ "^ TruUojino Reccarednsthc Kingof Spaine in the third cipcre, via[fi>n Councell of Toledo. Now therefore albeit the Empire being diui- bIrtS^-qwd%fe ded,and many Princes of diucrsdiTpofi-tionspoITeiring their (cue- finu'ret eioa;t>. ^ fall kuigdomcs and ftatcSjthcre be no cxpeftation or hope of a ge- ^hlTrtuPr^fi' nerall councel yet MXtfhop fecth that we hold it neceflary that m izntc eojempi cucfy Chriltian f^^MB^re iLould be ludgcs appointed for the cau- t',&c.c!n'JJ- les and matters of tiicTord and of the church,cucn as in our cliurch ""^ndJ^''rm"erai?°'^ England we haue our fouer^igne Synods prouincical or natioall,. f*>,aton(r>,. die fentencc whereof we account fo waighty, as that no man may i^iccblomZ'li. ^^^^ ^P^ P*^"^ °^'^^^ ^°"^^ prefumptuoully to gainfay the fame But gim«» *udmdi. his ovvne eyes percciuc the contrary : fo thole tliiugcs that conccrnc faith and religion tovvardes God, fomc ihingcs by the Scripture it felfc are fo apparent and planc,as that ic is maniteft,that not for any ambiguity nuhcmi'ciues, but by the iniquity and frowardneflc of men tiiey are called into qucftion : and that to qucftion the expo- fition, is nothing clfe but to feekc collufion. In which cafes the ludge Jiath no more to do,butto deliuer the preremptory fcntencc t^^Ms.d,b.,ft.ctH of God himfcltc, '^nct r# weigh^Z-S S.AfiJlme faiihj^A-r to recog^nsue .\nd ^c^-/*. >. »-^ *• 4tck>J<:wL'dge what the Lord hath Mready weighed. 5'cmctiir.es mat- ^iJ^Tni'r,f* tcrsare more Jiard and doubtful!, not lomuch haply otthcniklucs, ''i\^^^"/l"'^^ as by mcancs ofoppofitionandcontradi£lior,and therefore arc net u4^%-.d^J^' fo readily plaine, vntiil they be made plainc. For the explaning and Zu'ldlulii^t declaring whereof, the Church as the ludgc is to vfe the iielpe ct the »pf.r,jAT,i,^ntf' law it ff Ifir, that is,of the holy i'cripturc, and to that purpolc to ap- '■''^■ ply the rules bctore cxprcllcd.and fo not by mcerc aut]iority,biit by p p p 4 telb- o6 2 OfTraditims, tcftimonic and warrant, to appro iie to theconfcicnccofcucry man the fcntencc chat ihall be giuen for determining the thing in doubt. lomf.'i'ndtb'!u' " "By the two teJiamentS) faitli Origen.euery wtrdthatpertaweth to God ti}*mtntu licet ^^j hefeoTchcd oHt anddifcHJfedyar?d aUklioTvledge of things ma) he t4 'JdD^iietrhnct re k^nfrom thcm^ and if there be any thifjg further, which the holy Scrip- - ^^^*Pf^^^> which is wont to make holy^onely that fence whtch it hath in it tJe.Senfa* qA'ppe/elfBy this tule thc iudgemcnc of the Church is to procecd3&: fo to "SS^bMSL ^^"^ ^^^^ S'^^ °^ interpretation, as that he that gainfaieth may be con- ntnhabtntfidem. uiftcd as by thc tcftimony of God himfelfc, and they who haue not a (S^w^ifl ^^^ g^^ of interpretation, may yet fee and pcrceiuc that their conftru jimonrnm omnium ftjons and cxpofitions arc accordingto thc Scripture, Now if thc //ri^wTffi«4 Church in thciraffirmingorcxpoundingjfhall contrary that which prtferrtfenfifirip ^hc Scripturc hath manitcftly taught,&vnder pretence of bcingthc *m7Jem q'Jlm ex- 1 udgc in thc caufes of God, fliall mdgcagainft God, what ihall we fon^uifenfum.si tjjgn do?SurcIy as a priuatcman may by ordinary knowledec of thc rumq^odqinidfue law,De aolc to acculc a ludge or high crealon agamlt his PrincCjeuc n!n%7tlihficl'" *° ^" ^^^^ ^^^^ * priuatc manne by ordinary knowledge of the law of ta^jc omw God,may be able to accu(c thc Church of high treato againft God. fji^ 5Srir And as it is ridiculous in cafe of trcafon, to ailcdge tiiat it belongeth s^r.ptuTAm , to the ludgc to giuc the meaning of the law, and to leauc him at li - ITZtieltT*' ^^^"^ to expound it,that it may reft therupon whether his own fa6l ^H?t,ienefi bc ttcafon or not;(o it is inhke fort ridiculous, to ailcdge that it bee- {7nti»eS'^liTfi4 longethto the church,to make thc meaning of the Scriptures, chat s.cripturAq^4 thc Chutch is iud2e,«& it muft reft in the power thereof, by cxpoun f,ifumpi<,ai^c*r* ding the Icripturcs to determine whether that which it felte coman- HAemmf,h7dto the tcjitmofiic : /f.ohn.V.'jg*' theyffeakt' not according to this wordcy it is becattfe there ts no light tn 8 optar.ctntrM them VVl'iO was to be the ludgc when the Proplict h remu faid one v,idxcn».[utt\ thin^, and "^ihe 1 riefis and trophets who werctlie ludaes, faide a- ^;'"^'i""*'f^"' I ■> T-i r I / • I ; \ r I ^ r licet, lnt.ojf, fuutA cerncd but onely by the Scriptures.Thus it hath bene in the Church 2jf3i"r:trrp„r- tatHs f peaking of a mainc qiicftion betwixt them, whether lie that \ ah^n^tr.dM ,]i was already baptized, though by an heretickc, might be baj. rizcd ""•'••v.J«f t ; o^d agai nejfaitli;^ Toufy it is Uypful^andvue fay^u ts not t.:vcfidLBenveey.e ,aium, (k^, /;_-/,- yjhrM IS lavrfuLtind sur^it isnotLvfuLthe peovles feulesdo w/iHir,Let ":'" '"' V '^'""'^'* none belteHeyoH >. or vs'.voe are i.llcontertious me. Judges m:-ijt bejeught mtjmxm, ^ctr^* for'.tfChriJltOKs, they cannot begmen of both fides :/ r truth t:d> ed 'Z[Tr!r,fiZ^t°t,, ty^f^tciions, A iudge wit hout muji be fought f ritfa Vagan^ h'c cantor /« tnEwm^tUt ki'ow the Ch'ijitan myftc ries '.tfsUw.he is an o.emy of Chnfit^n bap- '"?""■•"*'■• tififie.Notudgementofthtjmatter'canbcftuttd on earth, burf'oh-a' u'e Butwhyknotkweat hcaue^whehtre we hah' theteftamri' doih, what ; ftate is there cr liath bene that maketh one mannc judge and inter- preter ot aii lawcs /Hce nameth ic to hauc beenc To in tnc old Tcrta- j mentamongrtthelewesjbuteitherheknowethnor,orimpudent- ! ly faliirtcth the Hone inthat behalte. Forthelavv oF Mofh did not i luakc the iiigii Priell alo/ie a ludgc, but onely as elfe where it is ex pounded^ //7(f/V^ i.chro.jf.ri- tersofthsLord. Ihere was a whole Councell to which thofe cau- fcs were referred, and by common conlijltanon and ludgemenc things were agreed vp on, and the fcnrence accordingly pronoun- ced by the Pneft, He had not to (ay, I determine tlius or thus, but as we haue example in the GofpeU, he faide, ™ Wh^t thmkeye ? as be- ^ ,^ ing to hauc conlcnt of the reltbceforc hee could giuealentencc. Tiiercforc Mofes letteth all dovvnc in the plurall numberjas of ma- ny, " if there ari/e a mAttcr too hard for thee, c^c. thoufiiAlt conn to n;Deut.i7. 1 . ^. the Vrie^es of the Lenites, and to the Indge that pi all bee in thofe d::y^s^ 0Hidaskc and thtyfljuUfhcw thee the fentence of i:fdgfmenty an.ithou [halt dee arcori-tng to all that they of that place (Ijvilljh^ w thee. ^Accor' ditigto the Uweyvhuhth'.y PjaU teach theey thou pah doe, (trc. Onely becaule the lentcnce in common agreed vpon, was pronounced by the Pncllasthe thicfe, therefore it is added: "^ ^rtd the manne that ^^.^ ,. pjJUdoprefun7pttfoul'.y,mt hjarkey.hg to the TrirJ} ( as toviching mat- ters of the Lord) or rt f/?^ 7 W^f (^ as touching ciuill caufes, tor wee fccthcfetwo plaincly diihngv.ilhed each itomothcv tkit K7.injhjll dif. Kovve if God would not in tliat fmall kingdome hauc all to de- pend vpon the ludgemcnt of any onc^ how improbable isir, that to one fliould be committed a iudgcnjent of all matters cf ihc Lordc throughout the whole world ? And how do they niakc ic good th;ic any liicl) power or authdritie Ihould belong vnto him ? Tluy tell vs much of /vrrr, but wee find not that attributed to Veter which tlicy aicribe to the J''opc,neither do they giuc vs any warrant from cl-.rilt thattliatis dcfccndcd to the Pope wiiich is attributed to 1-tthcle Church hiftri?aeTto And that God by the multitude of the outrfecrs of his Church,hath If auc it out. prouidcd for the fafetie thereof, Cyprian well obferueth, who one Ep.-i a y'muerfi wHere affirming, that "^ the office ofBtfljopricke is but ons^voherecfe- ^/'^'{'"'^'t'"^''" nery Bifhop fully hath hts part, and therefore fienifA' ioe that none c»rrHi'.,qH*t,doi4 hatlitherein to challenge prerogatiue aboue another, addethrur- lm7'tS!cadtt ^'^^^ ^" another place, that ^ therefore th^ corporation of Btfhops con- Etiib.h.Epi.in. JlFiethofntany^thatifaKj/oneofthis Collcdge or company fh all aff ay to p^LuEf'/.'^L ^^*»g i** '^^cjies, and to rendandwaFie thepocke ofChrifl, the reftfhuld vmuefituma helpe ^andat good andcomp.-'Jfionate Pajiors {h^uld gatherthe Lordes fa^I"^^''"" Iheepetnto his fold. This pi'ouifionot God, Antichnft themanof fideniib lEp.}^ finnc, the Bifliop of Rome, being to bring the abhominationofdc' ifi'c7ry^frI^oJolation into the Clmrch of Chrift, hath defeated and made voyde , r«w,«b-f.T/f/^«« challenging to himfclfe Jone a^ vniuerfall power and authoritic *htu/i>,fAcfu,e- of judgement ouer the whole Church, and vnder pretence thereof ^reg>-m-chrf,u- deuifing flnd cftabHfliingin the Church whatfoeucr he lift, to the rllf/Lr.f/MtX' I difhonour of God, to the peruerting of the faith of Chrifte, and to *ntc*teri.& tjHsfi j|,g (leltru6lion of infinite foulcs, makino a meaning of the woordc mtfericoydestHes of G O D to leruc liis tumc, that nothing winch hee laith or i/mcMgJii^'''' <^o^'^ "^^y ^'^^"^^ ^° ^^ controlled or checked thereby . To this pur- polc OfTraditions. g^-7 pofetheyhauc bewitched the worldc to entcrtaine ihisparadoxe which in the old Cliriltian world was ncucr Jicard of> that ^tfa man hattetbc MterprctanoM cf the Church of Rome ofanjfUcei,f^cri^J'"l[Ztbol['I' ttirc^Allfcit he >}either k^oyvnor vr.derjiAr.d wh( ther and how it l%ZZf/Ji in hkcfort doc our Rhcmifli impollors labour to pcrfwade their ^''°'' 'S^rpmrm Reader, that " ifanj/ thwj^ %n VahUs EpJilcsftHndto htm ms cor.tr/irie tc7nu"u^tt'^. ^ to the do^nne eft he catholtke cl^nrch,(\i is not vnknown wiiat church Tc'r7'tHrl'""b they mci^nc) he fatfeth of the right fenfe. Thus Jiowfocucr dcarcly ""'«""'".'<>'»*■ the fcripture foundcth, yet it nicaneth not that vvJiich it faith, if it t'tbllv^'"" be contrary to that which they affirme* To this impudent deuifc ^ '■'\'."^'»-T'JI'^- they are diiuen, bcecaule they Ice that the Scripture condcmiieth rp aT/ III giji! them, vnlelTe they them/clues haue the managing of the Scripture ^''"■ iJiat if the Scripture bee admitted for ludgc, it peremptorily pro- nouncethfcntenccagainilthcm, fo that they hauc iio meancsto colour their abhominationSj but bv challenging to thcmfclues to be iudges of the fcripture. Asforvswc hang the do6^rinc of faith, not vpon our cxpolitions, but vpon the very wordes of God him- felfc : we make the Jioly fcripture the iudge, not in ambiguous and doubtflill fpeeches, but in cleare and euidcntfentcnces, where the very wordes declare what the meaning is. It is a queflion betwixt vs and them whether Sainres images bee to bee vvorHiipped or not : they fay they are, we fay they are not. Let the ludgc fpcake,* Thsu^''^-^^ ^^ Jhaltri9tmaketothyfclfearylfkffieJfe»fArtythiy:giH he-men ahti^e, or in the earth beneath ^ or tn the vpaters vndcr the cArth j thou Qialt not i;fiwdojt>netothem,norTvor/htpthem,ltis2C\ue{kion whether there bee now any facrifice to be offered tor the forgiuenefTc of Hns.They fay there is (b in their Mafle, wee fay there is none. Let the ludgc Ipeake: y This tt my b/eudtfthe nii^eTefiament which isjhedforyou, y MitiiJ zS nnd for many fer rcT»if[i9n of fins »^ "^oTevwhererem.ffitnoffws ts^there '^'•'^•''^•'8- ii no m»re tf^ringftrfin* It is a qucftion beetvvixt vs, whetlicr the .faints be our Mediators vnto God or not.They Jay tiicy are, we fay they arc not.Lct tlie Judge determine it, * There is or.t God{i2\lh he) ^ ^ y „ , j tmdBne medidtour betrvixt (fodand m^n, eucn the nutn lefns C hrrHe, It is aqucftion whether a man bee iuftiiicd beeforc God by workcs or not. They lay it muft bee fo : wee fay it cannot be , Let the Iudge anfwer it, ^ Byth: workcs of the /awe/hj/i ^wfle/hbcet^Pfedll'^'^^^l'l'^ inhisfiaht.'^ Tkitnomannetsififttfied bythel4tTvi)ithefightofGody tt tx p68 OfTrAditions, is euidentjcr the iufiflt all line hfdith^ and the Uw is mt tffdthy ht the nmn thutflidldoe thofe things [hall Hue in them. They allcdgc that aram.j.M- jjjg ludgelaith, that ^ amantstujitficd bypforkes^ and not hj faith eRo3).4.2. onely.vit fayjthat that is oncly in the fight of men or with mcnithcy fay,thatit is in the fight of God* Let the iudgc end it. Jf^-i haham were ifijiified by rtorkts^ he hadf reioyce, but not mth Gcdlth a que- ftion whctlicrthccrofics andfuffcrings of the .Saints doe yecldvs any helpe with God, or any part of i^tisfa^lion for our finnes. They e 6«r«.u^ • iay they doe, we fay they doe not : let the iudge tell vs whether they do or not, ^ tVar T>aule crttcifiedfor'youH Godforbid that Jjhtuldrc' ioyce but in the crojfe of out Lord lefus Chrtfl. It i$ a que ftion whe- kM1t.16.a7. ther the people ought to bee partakers ottheLordcs cup; they fay no ; wclay yea.Let the Iudge decide it. '^*Z)mi^;'(f all of this. Thus in ail matters betwixt them and vs, the iudge Ipcaketh clearely on our fide : his wordes are fo plane as nothing can be more plane* YcCi notwithftanding they tellvs, that all thelcthinges haue another 1 meaning,which we muft take vpon the Popes word.The comman dement ( forfooth )is meant of the idols of the Gepitiles^not of the images of Saints* Asifawhorc-mongerfhouIdlay,thatthelawc forbiddcthwhoredomcofChriftians with heathens, not one withi another. The Scripture, they fay, intendeth there to no other Mc- diatour of redemption but one, but Mediators of intercefl ion there : are many. As if an adulterous woman fhould iay,that fhec may haue but one husband of this or that fort, but of another fort flicc may haue many. And yet they make them mediators of redemption al- iOy becaufe they make them mediators of fatisfafticn, and redemp- tion is nothing elfe but the payment of a price of fatisfaftion. Thuf they dally in the reft, and fhew themfelues impudent and fihamelcs men : let them for their meaning reade to vs as plane wordes of the iudgc, as thofe are that wc reade to them, and wcwill admitteof them, Ifnotjtheymuftgiuevsleauctoftandtothc fentenec of the iudgc of heauen and earth, and to account the Pope as he is, a cor- rupt & wicked iudge,although were he what he fhould bc,yet void of all title of being iudge to vs« a2» W. B I s H o p, Cme m ^anc {gfntlc Kcfide ) tofiayfrncuphat hngerin this matm ttr. OfTraditions. 969 t:r,becaufe there is nothing of more importnnce, (i;:ditisn§thMalcd ,!>,y where elfe m uUt'ns Buckr. Confidcr than k'. , hyonr J'clf^, that our caelefit.'.ll Lnv-mnkergAsie hh- Uw^nct written itj h:ke a;:d'^i^Aper^ ^"^•[erem.jf. tn the hearts of his meft fauhfullfubie^es, * endoivtKg them ■»>:th the vc.ir.j*.^ * hle^edfvirttoftrHth,* andwithnmofi diligent c.xre of inFlndimg o.*iohn.i5. th-rs^ that alhhctrpofiiritie might Icarnc ofthc??t ,tUth:fojnts vfchrt- jli.in di^irtne, A/idgiuecndit to them ajwt lifer the written as vnwrit- tcnwordy andmjrefor the true memirg cfthe word, theAfor th: word it felfe. rhefe und their true fucceljors bee liutly Oracles of the true and liam Gcd, them m'^fl wee conftilt vj alldoHb.fullcjticfiions of religion, andjfibmtt ohrfelft.'s wholy to their decree. S . Pjule th.:t veffellofele- [iion, m.iyferue vsforafmgul^ir moddUndp^ittcrKe cfthe whole -.who hiuLgrecertedthetr he knowledge of the Ge/p'H from God ^ ya went Vpto Hi^'rufilemrrtthB^mahy^to conferre with the chtefe^Jpcfiles, the Gsfpellwhu h he preached, le^lperh-tps he might rti.me in v. Mm, and hadrHmu'^asiytexpreffewordshewitn:ffethhimfclfe. * kponwhichfaa ,^^^^ andwm-ds ofS, Paule, the auncient fathers dog.ither^that thefatthfull -wouldnot hanegtuen any credit v^to the ^ptfiLs d:Bwe^ vnleffebj S. Pctcr andthe other Apofiles, tt had b'enefirf} examined and appro- ued. " ^g^tne, rehen there arofe a mofi d^ngero-.^s q:teftion of d roga- ^ ^^^^^^ ^ tm^Mokslawelwastt left tgeuerychrtff tan to d.cide by the written inM.rc.Hier.Ep wfrd : or wo'ildmxny ofthefiithftllbciecHe S. Paalc, that worthy A~ JJ^9^c,- eft u.^ pcfll-inthe matter ?Notfo, but vp they went to blierufalem^ to heare aini.Ai.guH.i.b. \ What the pilUrsof the churchwouldfay^. ■wh:re by ^}^<^^[^ree^f f^ ll^^^f^^^^^^^ \ Apostles incounccll^thecontroHcrfie was ended : which ^. Paulc^//-^ ' -warddetiueredinhispreachtng, commtunding alltoobf^rHeandl^epe the dfcree andordmance of the ^pofiles* ^ndiftt wouldnotbetedi- *Aas.iS. PUS lcoH'dinlikemann*r(hewJ}owinlikefortes^erj hundredth yeare after,errorsnndhercfiesrifingbymifconflrHmcnofthewrittenwo,rds th^ywere confuted avdreie^ed,n6t by the written woorde onely but by the Sentence andd-cUration of the ^pofllesfch.Lrs, andSitcceJfors. 6 Urn.outoftheEccl.f^fiMhyJtoric, TP/^rrr^./o.^icguu. >-...«.- zen ard S B XiH, two principall lights of the Greeks ch.n h, this /> re- corded. They were boclinobl.- men, brought vp together .it A- thcns : and afccrwarde for thirtecnc yearcs Ipace, bying afide all protancbookcs, employed their ftudic wholy in tlic holy Scrip- ♦Lib. contra. Cielcon.i.c.^5 ♦Contra.Epift Tun d. cap.). Q-^Q of Traditions. turcs. The fcnfc and true meaning whereof they fought,not out of their owne iagdement, f ^j the Proufiants btth do^ andte^ch others to doe )but out of their Predeccflbrs writings and authoritie : name- ly, of fuch as were knownc to hauc rccciucd the rule of vnderftan- ding from the tradition of the A poft Ics,/^^/*? he the very -words. 7he ether cxawfUfhallhee thefrmcipall ptUar cfthe Latin church S, Auguftine,!?'^^ net er.elj exhorteth andddHtJeth vs tofellovp the de- cree of the AHncientchHrch,ifwe mllr.ot be decewedwith theobfcHrt- tietfdoubtfullqueBions^* bHtp/aiHelj/Mffrmeth, That he would not bclceuctheGolpcll, if the authoritie otthe Church did not moouc him vnto it. * Which words are not to be vnderjioodeas Caluinir**/^ haue thefff; that S. Auguftinc had net bene atfirji a chrifiiati, tfbjthe authoritie efthe church.hee hadnot bene thereunto ferfivaded'.hut that rvhenhcewaia learnedand tudiciousT^cUory and diavcrite againfi he* rettkes^euen then he vculd not beleeue thefe bookes efthe Goffellio^hane* binfenned bj dtuine iyifftratton^andm others, C^ this to be the truefenfe ofthem*vn/eJfethe catholtcke church (f'^meusthenfor anticfuitiejge-''^ nerahtie, and confent ) did tellhtm^ tthic h attdwhat they ypere \fofarrc> ypas hee offfiem trujlin^ to his owne skill and iu^gc me nt in this mattery which notmthfianding was moji excellent. R.Abbot. M. Bijbof here fcttc th the ftocke vpon it, and at one game he is minded to winnc all, but indeed as a coufcning gamcfter by fhif- ting and iugling beguilcth honeft fimplc mcn,fo doth hee abiifc the fimple Reader with goodly glorious words^crauing Icaue as it were to giue him fatisfaftion in a high point, and applying himfclfc vn- dcr this colour moft trechcroully to delude him. Conftder ( faith he) that our coslefitallUfvgiaei/^gaue his larpy.ot wrttten in In ke a fid paper but m the hearts of his moft faithfuU fubuUs. For this he quoteth the aieremjr--?- wordsof God by the Prophet / . . . , .J I III-'' C^ndrad.Ortk. fhofn vilific the authentic of Scriptures, as it'they were written onely of 7»m!'Z"'!t!}'dt'i priuatefancic,andChrifthadhadno care or regard to haue it Ib^"^*"'*/-''"'*^ But how impertinently thofe places arc brought for prootc hereof, Znillux!^* ''^* appcaretli very plainely out ot the words themfducs. For what was r/;7^ Mtdpdper, but onely that the lawes which were before by the mini- fterie otMofes deliucred only in inkc and papcr,fliould by the po- wer of the holy Ghort through the faiihofchrift be wrought and written in thcafTc£lions of the heart; that God in Chrift would not adminifter onely outwardly thcletter of the lawe, whether in writingorinprcaching, but would in both by the regeneration of " die Ipint giue grace inwardly for the fulfilling of it. As little to that purpofe is the other place. The falfc Apoftlcs laboured to impeach checreditor.S.PWrj'Apoftlefhip,asithec had had no fufhcienc commiflion or warrant of it ♦^ 1^ ay Hot himfelfe alledgcth that the Corinthians were as an Epirtle from Chrift, where by hee wasfuffi- cicntly commended and his calling teftified vnto them, in that the Gofpeil by his miniilery had had fo great liicceflc, & taken fo great •efFtld among tlicm. That fingular efFedt of his preaching hee im porteth 10 haue bene a greater aflurancc vnto them then anycpi- ftlc written with inke and papcr,and to haue commended his mini- fterieabouethcminifterieotwl/(?/r/, who gauc the Law onely in tables (fjloney becaufe here the Ipiritof God concurred ^^iththc outwardferuice, and wrought mightily in their hearts, forthere- cciuingofthe do6lrine of the faith ofChrift,and conucrtingof the vnio GodA'ow to fay that the Corinthias were an cpiftle not writ- Qjcj q ten *97^ of Traditions. ten with ink nor in tables of Itone, what h it to ihcw that the cekjiiql Uvp -gimrgAHe not his Uroes written wtth hke audpafer? Surely the difference of the two tcftaments, which is the thing that M. 'it/hop would iniinuate, was ncuerholden to confift in this, that the onc' ftiould be written and the other vn written , becaufc euen in the old tertamcnt the new was written, but herein it ftood, that the one ci-- Iher written or taught by word, miniftred onely knowledge what we ought to do,noc anic grace for the doing of it,but the oTher not. J ^.,ufid,ip.6- ^"'^y l^'^''^; ^y ^"""8 ^r h prcachmg but miniftreth alfo grace; i,t.cap.ioP,opurtoworkcin the heart obedience to that that it teachcthg Thefi/d T,::PT:Zl^f'^'^'^^^^^^ ccrruftion of the. tMb,num& mm^nOldnMH^rehich was not healed by the commandir.i and threatem-i9Lt\ ftuf^entum vcttu: hsaleth thenew man from the oldcermpfton. But wee would olaHlv ;;:;;;:SL ^^^^ o^Mmihop how « is true wh,ch the Apoftlc faith thft' i^ 7:::j::^n:i'a^'l'f''''^ ^^ true winch he faith,that God did .,: v^t^fiitu i^oz gmehtsUwes ypntten wtth tnke and paper. If the Golpcll miehc b ,.Tim.M6. well enough haue bene kept in mens hearts without writing, whv were the faithful! foinftant with S.Marke firft, & after withl iJn iPhiU r as wehauefcenebefore,forthe writing of their Go/pels? Why doththeApoftletellthePhi/ippians,that',>,...«.4,,^^^^^^ thathefhofiidrvrtte vntothemthe fame things that hee had preached vnto them ,ifthere were no fuch neceflTitie? Why is S. Ichnm the '^^::^:^.tL R<^"^^i"«nfooftencommaunded'^ ..«.m., to ..Wr., If tradition & cap.14.1 q . m'g'^t fcruc as wcllas writing^ Surely /r^»^w telleth vs, that it was ^oumatem Do ,n vrttwg 25 \vz haue ihcwed. before* So likewife wee haue heard S iZr'""' ^^^fi;-^^y'^^%> th^tyhriji comm^r^dMisdtfapUstownte-^hathe rn^jf>>^ra. r^OHUhauevs toreadc of his fajings and doings. 1 hefamci". ^ufiinc Tilt,\n.p.f.i.^ faithagaine , that " GodwoHldflaceabulwarkeagainJideceiptfuller- ir.a^x,ntr.p.rorsmthcholyScriptHres,agamfivi>hichno man dare (b e ah that n^ ill voiLponcrefir '* "^V M^ betakenfoTA Chrijiian man. Do thefe Fatiiers tell vs that r,a»fc>,t,4mir,fcripit\VASthewillofGod^the commaundement of rhnfi that his law«.« ^Jn>,iiu.a^d.: ^^ould be dehucred vnto vs written with inke and paper and will K}3S.., ^^f/f P'/^^^^ V^'^'^iT "°' '^' ^^" of God?But I would cinijiL..,. ^ur her queftion with him,What,arc they al,fo perfeft in the Gof- pell at Komc,as that they neede no written Gofpell? Is it fo fetled in their hearts Sc remembrances by tradition onely, as that without any OfTraditions. 97 ^ any S cripturcs it miglic be prclcrucd amogft thcm/If ^. 'Btfliop iiy yea: he knowcth himlcltc to be a Iyer. It lie (ay, no,wliat is tlic rca- ion that he (cttcth tlius lightly by iiikc and paper: Fie vpon this wil- fuUblindncllc :how llrangcathiiigisit that any man iliouldthus calt a vcile ouer liis o wnc eyes ? He ttlleth vs hirthcr, that Chrtji en- dowed hts ^Ipofiles wtththe h/ejfed [pir'ttoftrHthy^with a mcji diligent c>:re of h.f.ru^m^ others,thjt aH their fojleritie might leArne of them all thcpomts ofChr/ftiaftdoilrift.NoYJ thus far he faiih trucrbut his pur- pcfe is, with a little truth to couer a great lye. For he addcth, that tvejheuliigtue credit to them ajwellfor the written as vnrvrttten yvtrd. »yycophant,what haue we here to do with the vnwrittcn w ordf I he vnwritten word is the matter in quclHon, and muft it here be prc- fumcd before it be prouc J?Lct it Hrft be made good, that the Apo- ftlcs meant to Icaue behind ihem any vnwrittcn word.VVc Jay,thac becaufc they had care that all poftcritie by them (liould Icarnc nil the pants of ^hrij^ufj dcfiriney therefore they had care that (i/i the potr.tscfchrj/iu'ndffclriMcil^.oxAdhccQomiwitttd to writing, that as S. Lhks ^rokdcth to haue wri/r^w to the intent that Iheophtlus ® might thereby ack^civUdge the certainty cfthofe thir.gs n>hercfhe hud o Luke.1.4. heer.e infirhfled, fo by his writings and the reft, wc fhould aclcnoW' ledge the ccrtaintie and affured truth of their dcdrine, and notlic open to the illufions of fuch impoftors and cofiners as Ai^'Biptop is whovnderthe names of the Apoftlcs rtiould broach thofc thingf wiiich the ApoiUcs iieucr thought. Wlicreof we haue a notable ex- ample ill P T^ApiAj, who fuccecdcd immediatly after rhc time ot the Apoftlcs, who uhilclt hee was not contented with thole lhingcsp£«,/,t.fc;y?.w. which were left in writings but was ftill hearkening after cuery one l'[^i^*,'^„.^^„ that tooke vpon him to haue bin a follower of any of the Apcftlesrxi-i«-.frj^/«..r« and enquiring what any of them had faid or done, Iw allowed ma- 'fJ'J^'^^!,l,'j\l nit gudgccnsgiucn him by fuch deceiuers, and dehucred,*^/ repcr-'^-'ioyp'r^ttU ted to htm hytKidtticn^wanyfabulcMs things and flr^nge dcflrmeSiCon- ,.,r.nuii^Ablhj;$ ceiuifrg hifhfelfe by that mcancs amtjlecjthe^pofiles(peeihesyfir.d^i- *dtjai,irc^.f,. HtKgcccaficn to many other to trreasheedid^ rrhtlcfljor his antte^tiitte „„r.t>.r,(UAc't. thtyrefpeHed htm Very mfich.l his is the end c't ALB}p3ops\iw\m<.v\i''J^'^^^^JJ^ word: they will teach vs what plcafeth their Lcrdgca the 'J cpc^Si the /.,;?..,„ v/fi-#rr». make vs belceue it is a pat t ot the vnrvrittei. nofd. Bur yet he addctii '" "•*/•'" '^"("' again,that cur crediting the Apoftles fliuld be mere for the meowing ir/mr,jixtrmni. of the rvordihenfcrth.rvcrdit/elf.'WhcTc'ii is not in any good mca-^'- fiingthat he thus mcdy diflinguiQicth betwixt r^r irct ditfelfcr the (3 q q 1 me.mtng Q-y^ of'Traditions. meaning of the Vford-, leauing it forlboth to be vndcrftood, that they left the worde one way and the meaning of the word another way ; the one in writing and the other in tradition But what, will A ? arc not onely the Apoftles,but tlicir fuc- rire nomfst quod Q^Q[^^^2\[h the Itkingoracles of God^. V^hxch of the fucccflbrs of the ^adCZufdZ"^' ApolUes euer tooke vpon him either feuerally or ioyntly fo to bee ? d(aith, that Chriftgauc not his lawes written with inke and paper :and againe,thatthe meaning of the word is not to beknovvncbythcworditfelfe:and againe, that the fucccflbrsof the A poftlcs alfo are the liucly oracles of the true and Iiuing God. In the next place he abufcth the Apoftlc S.7»4;r/(f,and vnder colour ofthe names of two or three of the Fathers, abfurdiy milapplieth his going vp to Hicrufalem, asifhehadgonctohaue )[i\% doftnncyG^i.i.n. examined and approued by the Apoftlcsthat were before him. He a^^wlJV; /. namcth S-.iettr finglcand by himfcUe, as to haue vs to conceiue, c^f.i.stconf.im that.J'.?,?*/) ccldcd fome liigh preheminence & fuperiority to liim Z'iTaTl!mu. But there is no fuch matter as he pretendcth, the Apoftles own de- tHht^u:d,f,tAnm claration oucrthroweth all this fancie.He profeflethjthat ^' he r^^^ »-ar$lClX11„ He d not ht.( ^cjpellofmanf nor W4S taught it bnt by the reuf lation ofle- ^' ^'">fi'If' d Irnmedu^tlyl fll*,id!fc^'!'!i,u communed nc twit hflijh andbloudynctther went Ivp to hrujaleto them '^'•• thatwere Aposlles before me ^but went int9%Arabta^^c,* lie ashed no mans counfell((^X.\\ KdmbroJe)nor referredtt to any man what he/bculd Q'y5 Of Traditions. do^butfjorth with fr&a^ht»g (^hrifi\lle faith that there was' no necfjjftj that he being chofen ofGod,(Jjdtildgo to the .Apojlles hisfredece^crs^ as havly to harne any thing-^om them Movv how badly doth M.Bifjop ^ deale to make ins reader bclccue, chat S /Pauls do^rinew as fifjita h examined & affrooned by Teter^and the reji rfthe ^ppj}/es,\\hcn as5.?Wfprotcfl'£dly faith, that he went not to take any appro- bation from them, becauie he had rcceiued cquall authoritie & c6 - ^^Lbrofibid. miffion with them. He further declared, that b three yeares after hee NoHvt Ait^uidab j;^gfjf fp ^tjrnfalem to fee 'Peter, aid abede with him tjJaies. ^ Net to ZJabaJh^re di- /eartte anything of him fTCLlXi ^mbrofe, becaufe he had already learned dtctra.x,.t cj«» & r j^ authoT htmfeifj by whom Peter was tauzh,bHtfer aff^^ton cfthe ipfePelrHffner.tt J J Ji J £> t M ■' Injiru^M, [cdfrop ^pojtlelbip ^that Tctcr might i?now that the fame comijjioyj wa^ gtuen %\l'3't''v^cwc^ '* ^^^ "^hich Veter himfelfe had.He went to him '^ not for any benefit Pctrm hanaU' dt- btttfor honorsfake to fee hint, faith TheophylaEi. Not for any luch ho- ',G-M. his going let .9.j^^ro/tf declare :« lhelewesS^V.\\ hc,f^»y?^4«^«i//^^"^''/*7,;j^^^^^ optmon cfhim in behalf e of their law, as tfhe difngreedfro the pre Aching op'mt.^^Aj; d, ,« * r cfthe reft of the Apofiles, & hcrby /owe fcruple grew to mAtiyJoas that tZ''J,'crt,'u\ the Gentils might be trohbled or perplexed with doubt ^ left by him they f»fl'i»rum,ir hmt fhonld be drawne to any thing elfe then the Apofile delinered wh0 haddc puiZ^ul"/^'!!^',, beene with the Lord. Tor b) this occdfwn the Galathtatts were perverted F<'JJ'">*F"'tff^*ri by the lerves,Jaying:that VauldeltHered or taught ctherwife then Teeter nntur Ab l^^qu'^ did,He}]ce it c.itnc topa'Je, that being admonifbedbyreuelattenfrom the ''*^'i'*''f-^f<>?»li Lordyhe wt nt vp to Hierufalem. What to do? to be examined and ap- iltZnt. ^Trntf^^ proued olthc as liis fupcriors & iudges, /^.^.Hiith: What, hadde he 'r^^faZi^,""^* preached the Gol'pell now 1 7. yeares, ^ doth hec now at length re- dtuducnubtu.tfuu member himfclfc to come to his fuperiors to be examined oi them ? ^i"'"""^'*"' '"^ no luch matter. He came as hce faith p to conferwtth them oftht Gop- Hwcfaiimm ,jt vt pel/ which he preached among the Genti/es.^OW^ tt is *ne thing to cofer '»7Dt'fmm'aj'!^n'- iiith lerome^anot her thing to learne.There ts equality betwixt ihem that '^ftiHitttfitjmi confer re\but betwixt htm t hut teacheth,and him that learneth^ hee that p ver. ». learneth is the Irjfer, He conferred then with the other Apoftles ,as 4 ifi'n.inOMi.i. l)is equals, not m refpci^ ot himfclfe,as to haue any thing added to li-^/,;i!r"inur' himleltc by t]ie,but only forfatisfa6b6 of the Churcli, that the fcan- \'2''ti2l''*'^'^^* dallofthc llandcrofthctalfe Apoltles might be remoucd, & all the t»m & di;ctn',Z, Church might kaow,thatin their do6^rinc tlicy cofcnted al in one, ""''^ 'fi'H'im that fo neither his labor thenceforth, nor that that he had bellowed r Vei-.^. might be bellowed in vainc,byrcalonofany fuchtalleluggcftions fver.7. oHiis dini-ntingfrom the reft. And to fliewthat hec confcncd with the to no other end, he laith atterwards,that ' they added nothing fur^ ^ ther to htf», that' ih^jfawe that the Go/pell cfthe vncirchm<:ifton was committed to him as th^Gofp. II cf the circnmitfi«ri was c.mmittedto Veter, ^ th.U they who fecmedto bee pilUrs, l^mes^ Piter, at-d lohn gaue v/ito himytKd Barmibas right handes of fellow/hip, YesL thac he was „ y„ j ^ To farre from being infcriour to them, as that at ^>:ttoch:^he wiihjloodluterto hisfaceastufllyto be bUmcd^for nttgctxgthe right 97.8 of Traditions. f^ay.tothet^ftfhofth^G^Jpdt'^ itethat hee fccnicd by his cari.ige to draw the Gentiles to the obferuation ct the law^ contrary to that which before had bene acknowledged by iiim, Now then the rea- lon is manifeft ot S. "Pauls going vp to thept/krs of the Churchy al- belt he were as great a pillar as any of them And as tor the lenrencc of the Counccl It ^id not teach him anything which he knew not, but onclyfignified the common acknowledgement of that which he had before taught. " He vnderfloodfrom the heginning^Ja'tth Chry^ ' , fcfiome^what ypas to be done^^.itd needed no teachi. r^ but what the ^po- '\ .Jb °uih cjMd. files after much debatmg[hoUddecreeythefams hadhe certawandvrt" tfit annd'.im. p,r- ^^^j^^^^ ^^^^ himfdffrofn heauen withtut debating. Now by this that | hahAax viLdotit hath bene laid,wc may conceiuc what to tninke or thole allegations i re.pdj^y.*p^li ««/ |j|^}^ M.B/(hopfot A flicw hath quotcd in the margent.Thfat which I erantUoofioiide- TV^m/Zf^?;? liuth IS apparent talfc, that ^ Vauieiivent toHterufdemto trad$S!^' Cd»;ff^//^ wiihthe^pofi/esy left haply be had not beleeued as they dti, or (.zhuis habebAt a- didnotprcach the Gofpcllas they did. As though it were likely, that MlbiZlT. ^ the Apoille would haue continued his preaching for 1 7. years, not y Tertui.ctnira. knowing whcthcr he preached right or wrong. As though he knew f^nZ'ad'ct'^S- not that which hec preached to be the truth, hauing receiucd it ( as tandos^pojioos^ before is fhevved)by the reuelation of Icfus Chrift, That which H<>- Tuo7n!nc^tdid'if- r^WiT laith muft bee cfteemed according to the humor wherein hcc f,t&nonfecun. ^^ote it, whi'ch was itt great choler and ftomacke towards 5'.i^/^/?i« Uz^irtt. for dilliking his opinion as touching Veters di{fimuIation,mcntioned in the chapter whereof we here fpealce His words are, that ^Vaidlhad ^J^JV^EpUi "^^ ^^^ ifecuritte of preaching the Gofpel, had it not ben: confirmed by the oftendensfc nO'i (entcnce ofVetcr and thofe that rpere with him. As though hee haddc EtZfil^prlTca,, preached ly.years, as before was faid, without warrant of preaching d ,mfiPetrtir iiu As though Iiccxpcfted confirmation now from Teeter, or thofe that 7rZf!i!,f7i}i>''>un were with him, who fo longbecforc had had confirmation from ■ j(4 TijoratMm. clirift himfelf? As though he became an Apoftle by warrant offeter, * & thofe that were with him,wbo in thcbcgining of his Epiftle wri- teth himfelfc, * Vaulan apoftle, not ofmen, nor by man, but by le/ks Chrift,mth many other words before mentioncd,difclaiming the re cciuing of any authoritic from men. leromes heat made him forget that which is before cited out of his expofition vpo th at Epiftle,that cottferece importeth ecjHabty, and thcrfore that the Apoftle fhewing that he W£l to confer with the reft of the ApoftIes,importeth that he receiucd of the no warrat of authority, but only tcftimony ofcofer,. As aOal.r.i. OfTraditions. o^o I ^ As tor that iv.'iichis quoted outof 5". ^///^/kj-, itnukctii jioilu/igto i . tj\[, TS^Ihyps [Hirpole. '////;-: n- had bene no ^ifojiLs ltuwgjih.\t PjlI m cpmmitnu .ntho vcith them, andconferrir.g tvtth tbm oj the Co/pe/l, F^tn'hby^"!', _ ,. , -, . , 4 fntghtappe.iretoheofthefamejeciette, the chr/ch wouldyiithaue he- ^'""""•-"uret m leeaedhint. 'But when fheyl^tterv him preachmq^ the fame whi h th:y'-ll'[!!ucfmM>u'4n freachedyind liHJHg inthitr vniiy <\ndfelL'jnifhip^ dct g^-^ljo ihtj.ime mi ''' ^'' '^*^'?'<'*»« rac/es whuh they dtd, God i h'^s cormnending i:, b^' obtained authorities > }do )i,4fdtmf,cir- th it hts words are now heard in the C hurch, as ifC hrijie were heard ['i[[fjfii,^,l^'„\'* fpeak^ngm htr/j,as he himfilfe moji truely faith, in vvIjicIi words hcac- "oncndirtt.Std tributc'cli to tlie relt oFtlie Apoltles the giuing ofa tdlimonic, that h"7^'^ii'n£'u,^ hcc was of che lame focictie and tellowlhip w itii them, but impor- 9»<"Vfr/a'«u.7irtn.^ tctii nothing ac allot any their iudiciall power or luperioncieoucr ]i",'',['^J^'^'^'„',"„, him. rhfcoccafionsot the words willHicvv the piirpoi tot ihcni.AIa''''Ji vmtaifviHv.- , nicheuslhc lieretickc wrote an Epillleas die ApolUcol Chnll, con- c'tSn'pnZmZn trarying thole thingcs which u-crc written by thctriie Apolllcs.|,'"^'^J>'^'''^''''''*^ The Manichces vrgcd this Epillle as the true (lory ot Chrilt, ailed- tu,,:Do,:,i„0c»fm- eing that tlic Gofpclles were corrupted and not true, S.^ti(iii:e "'""^•'"''.'^"'mt queltioneth liow the Church lliould take him for an ApoltlejOrad- -^trt,., uitmhtjit mit that for true winch he wrote concerning Clirill, when as iicc li- %f!l^^'Z',^l,"^',\ ucd not in the time of the Apoltles, nor was knownc to be one of-'" chnjiu^f.cut them, by hauing communion and tellowfliip with them. For euen )^{'J^"£,Xr»'r.'* Tat'Jj faith hcc,it he hadde Imed after their times, and iiad not bene knowne to haue Ibcietie and company witli them, and by his prea- ching & miracles together with them,had not bene commended to 'the Lhurch by God, the Church could not haue taken him for an ^poftleofClirirt, norbeleeued him vpon his owncword. Tiiisis all that isfayd, and nothing intended that tlie reft ot tlic Apollles fhould giuc him warrant as iudgcs,but only as witnelles teftifie him to be one of them. But now admit that they were as Iudges,6c were togiue commilVion vSc warrant to 5. "Paul: what is it tiiac Af. Btpjcp would proue tliereby ? Forlboth that there wcrefome of authoritic for iudgcment, and deciding the controucrfies of the CIiurch.Bc it fo.'but why doth hec take pamcs for that which we doe not denic ? Yea but it is tiiat Veterw\z.y be knowne to be the ludgc, Be it fo that ?'4«/ faith, that ''■ lames ^and Peter, amilohnfeemcdtohee />!(// jr/,thatis,fpcciall and chiefc men amongll the ApolUes.Yea,but that is not enough, but Veter muft be the higii & foucraigne ludge, and ago OfTYAditions. and the reft ondy afTiftants ^ helpers to him.But that is apparently falfc,bccaufe in that iudgementohvhich S.Pxw/fpcakcch Umeshxis^ as the chicfc, and accordingly pronounced thedefinitiue fentencc; ^to him faith Chryfoftome, theprincipaUty or chief ty was committed, '^ m wittfelf Yctlctvsyecld JTo much that feter was the highcft ludgc in this 'f"'tV"Of, uf.it : alTcmbly : what of that ? Marry forfooth the Pope fucceedeth in Tc ho tUi er.ttprtncip^tMS ucr all churchcs-This is the ilTue that M.Bi]hep driueth at,but for his ctincrcdntts ^' ^'^^ placc,<5c Hc muft thcrforc be the one high and fupreme ludgc o life cannot tell how to conueigh the Pope into S. Vettrs place. This conclulion!S(r//^rwiWmakcthout of" three places that are here al- Icdgedj quoting them only as M.Biflttp doth fro him, but citing no e '^t'Mr Ac verbs vvords,and faymg of them that they" exprefiyajfirme^thAt the chi^rch ^uwt'hffu'm^nt wou/dmt bane l>e7eefieM Piuly had net his (^ojpell heene cmfrmed bj Eucuria'anon S .ViZcv, Therefore it helongedto Vetti'the»,and>:eiv tohisfuccejfour^to turImT/E»Lr( iudge of the doHrine of faith* Where wc fee hini to be outright a Ic- bumo-.uap.tro fuitcthatisjamanofabrazenface &: a wicked confciencc, for that fitEnopZ, "I'rat hce knewe well that two of theic doc not mention Vitevy but fpeakc iHnc&promde pcncrallv of thc Apoftlcs, the third which is Burome. namcth not facceJJanieiMn'Aiic D / i S i i 11 11-;/-/ . » ded<,nri,;afidei Pettr zlotic as hcc doth, but ccuplcth with him thtfe th^.twcre wtth /?/>», and makcth that which he faith common to them all But it is a fuith er point of impudcncic in him^totorcc that vpo the Pope here by, which ncuer any of thcfe Fathers nor any other eucr imagined, that he fhould be in Peters^hce the vniuer(all ludge of Ghriftian faithjfo thatifj'.P^/fr who they fay was Bifliop of Rome beeforc had becne dead before that counccll of Hicru(alem,& f^^^/the thifd liad lliccceded in his placc5?'^«/the Apoltle mull haue had his go(^ pell confirmed by Vah/e thc Pope, as impious a c^icite as cuer thc world bred, I will not (land to rake any further in this filtiijlet them lie in It tliat loue it,and M.BtJhop hauing taken vpon him to fwearc whaifbeucr BelUrmine doth he, muft be content to be dawbcd with his dirt. He goeth on and tcilech vs, tiiat he could (hew liow euerte hundredyietes after yherefies were corfutcdnndrenBcdnot by the writ ten word onely, but bj thefentence and decUrationof the Apofllesfchol' lers andfucce^OHrs. So then they were not reie6kd by thc fentencc and declaration of any one ludgc, he is novv gone from that, but it was by thefentence and declaration of thc Apoftlcs fchoHers and fucceflburs,asallBifhopswcref And mdccdc in thofe firftCoun- cels the Bifliop of Rome haddc no more to doc tiien other Bifliops, yea fomctimes leflc then fomc othcrs,to who the moderation of tlic prefene 1. 'UIM4 (tncf Hon I OfTrddttiom. 98 1 Iprcfent bu fine lie by general confcnt was comittedjas in the Niccnc ,counccilro ' Hcfim Billiop otCordubain Spaincabouc allelic reft 1 of the BilliopSjwho ibcretoic £ fubfcribed fiiit vA all. And as for ilic iThfdUift.i j deciding of matters, it was referred oncly to the autlioritic ot the /,'!/J;!i' [Written wc)rd,asappearethin thclamecounccl otNicc,whtrer oK-P"';'^'f>' , ftanttnc piopoundcth this rule vnto the : '' ih.- b:.ol^sofih€ Eti^.nge-f.ljir'>pt'.,rfi"i. lijh G" ^■fppft/fs,(ts alfa the cracUs of the ol^ Vrcphcts.do tlatr.h wlirnil ^ ^'■" '•'/? '' if. Vsyib.Hto thmk^ccncirntngQjodsmattersithcreJLrejettt'rt^aJidealho- ^-ipipiiciitn fit/.- dfcord, let vs t^. ke the relolutions of our an eft ions f) o the rconies of ":. ""," "■" "i""""* the holy Gh(fi, Their kntcntc therfore was biic to acknowledge and i:>*UfU>i,:osir.. pronounce the fcntence, which the hoIyGholt haddc giuen in th.ef^*^"',^])"^ ''"''' wrirten word, 3c no other wife did they take vpo them to declare it, izifi tou hla but by the lame woordc* Onely for the gre;.ccr latisfa6^ion of the I">f"ndHtnf„:f,g Church,»Sc the more fully to take away all cauillations of heretickcs, *d*dxmm^fi. thein,to (hew that by the fame written word,thcy iiad taught no o- ql^/ioLm!'""' tJicrwife the they did. Albeit there were not aUvaies general Coun- eels for the confuting and reletting of hcrcfies, but many times the Paftouis of the Chui chin their priuate writings confuted and con- demned them only by the verdi6l & fentence of the written wordc So HtUry only by the voice of the heaucnly Iiidgein the Scriptures rciedled the Ai ian hercfie, ' neucr hauing heard oftiie Niccnc dcfi- ',"f.^iil{^')?;J;„ nition^ vntill he was going into banifhmcnt for that fauh. Yea, and ^'f*-"" '.Hnc^uam after the definition ot the counccll.5'.ex^«/?i« did not reft vpo their "iS^"'"'*"^ fentence, but vpon the lentcnce of the written woordcj and there fore faith to ^<«.v/w;w/j the Arian : •' It is not formee to allrd^e the ^^luzuflctntr. ccuncclltfNise, nor for thee to alledgethe counctliof ^rtmmum '. net' t.-.^i^'st'clt thcr am 1 bound 10 the author/ fie cf the fine, nor thou of the other. By te- ^'"^"■"™.."" '*• d» JttmoMesor authorttt's cf bcrtpture, not proper to either of vi.J/Mt comon t,,r,^H^mpr4,Hdi- to both Jet m.uti r try yvtth matter, cattfe with caufe^reajon vptth reaCon. ""«""f "i;''^''' 11 \ r r II 1 I /"i ■ ("■■(iiii'm. Stt tt» He knew very wel that the fentence or a councclMiuglu be cjueltio- hwtu.t,,,. ;«;//;« ned alio, & therfore that the controuerfie muft finally reft vpon the ""'/'l;'''; '^""" fentence of the Scripture. A-f. Bijhop funhcvTc^arcth vs tc'BJLr- iMih,rt,j„;-m,nin Wine, as touching thofe Councclls euery hundred yceicSj whole in- /"V'lT./^vm/,- ftru6fions arc neediefTc to vs to certific vs of the truth in that bee- ">r:'.:.-"t- ' trHl- halfe, being otherwife^cttcr to be knovvne then by any tl-.ing that I^Jum^Zu,!lu- hee tan tell vs. But I would wiili that he that delireth to knou' the • ""^ '■"•'" "". qualitie and difpofition of that wretched manne, Oiould througi)ly cxan*ine that chaptr r that Maiftcr Btfhop quotcth, wherein he Juth fct 9^2 of Traditions. fct downe (b many apparent and wilfull lies, as that it may well ap- ; peare what Ipirit it was that led him throughout his whole bookcs, jn the next place he telleth vs an idle tale & impertincnt,of ^^y?/ & > \T{n^n.Uh.i.c.^. GregoK/e NtiZUKZCKf, ofwhoiii Rujfimsve^oncthythAt ' laymgajide omnbH* Gr^cora j^^^ prophmc (itidteSy they appijedthemfelHes on'y to the booh of holy rimotufolu dimn* iicnptureSy andJoHght ajter the vnaerstundmg oj tbem^nct out ojthetr.\ mbJoperddlb^t frvn prefumption,bur out of the rvritings coauthor it le of their auncients^s tarum^ intdiijen ypf^o dlfo themfelues hj/juch as hadfucceedcdfro the Apojiles^hadrecei' T^JfZlVonc^ t*edthe rule ofvnderfianding. To what end doth he alleadgc this a- txmMor:',m[cn^- oainft VS ? Wherc it is fayd that they foueht not the vnderitandina /r (^Hchmtiir : cjttos o^th c .Scripturcs ofit ofthitr srvn prefumptton^ox the 1 hooting or his ^'^^"""sfJ-ftZ ^^^^> ^^^ maketh aparemhejis thuSjw^J the VroteBants both do & teach um^cl.dire'gHU-n Others to do.'^wi the Protcltants would haue him know,that that de- fHfce^'jfeonji.t fcription of the ftudics of thofe two fathers, dooth rightly defcribc the ftudies of euery learned Protcftant, They fee it to their gricfe in all our bookes, & in the proccfl'e of this whole bockj it will appearc to him, that the Proteftants vfe the help of the fathers writings as a fingular benefit of Godjfbr the true vndcrftading of the Scriptures, and forthefindingout of the truth in thoie controueriies that are depending betwixt vs & them.Ycajfo farre are we from contenting our felucs with our owne vnderft anding, as that we forbearc not to turnc <& wind al Popilh authorSjeither of former or latter time,that what gold wc can find in their dungbils. We may apply it to the fur nifhing of the temple of the Lord, But it piticth me to thinke of the fillincflc of this man, in vpbraiding vs with not (carching the wri- tings of the auncient Fatliers,of who I am perfwaded that wee may truly lay,that he neuer read fo mucli as one volume of any one of the fathers, & had bene in pitiful! cafe for the writing of this booke,had not'BelUrmiHe bene content vpo trull to lend ium the whole ftock. Well, hce hath read them that haue read the fathers, & if they Iie,be in^*i?»/f««f. it fo.-hec cannot tell how to help either himfelfcor ihcm« Thusfor crefcon Lb. .ca. the finding of a ludge wc came firft to the Pope,and from the Pope Vetm'i^^i'^obfc'*- ^^ ^^^^ brought vs to the councels, & from the councels to the wri- t\tau^u4i9r,i^,t'"t tings of the fathcrs,& now ft o the writings of the fathers he leadeth tu7c!^ffut"qHan, VS to the Church. Hee alledgeth to this purpol'e two fayings of S. /"' viUamhtgM- ^uJiinJIhc former vpon occafion of the qticllion betwixt tiie Do- lurJdmelnrJ. natifts & him IS thuSy'^fyhofoeuerfearc th to be decetnedby the obfct*' rity of this qneSiton^ let him [eekefor adnice to thatfamt church y rvhicb jvith" of Traditions. o g , wtihotitanyambiginty the hJy Scriptures dcth dcmonflrate aydpojHt out. VVc acUv.h the condinon : we willingly Jiearkcn to the ludye- nicnc ottiiac CiuirclKinobfcurepointswhicliwc do noc readily vn- dcrltand, u'ehigiily cltccmcthe cenlure ofcliat CJiurch, vvJiicii o- therwifc by the Scripture is deirionflratcd to bee the true Church . S. i^ujityjc in thole words hath reference tothc wJiolc churcii from the tunc oFthc Apolllcs, & very rightly dircdtcth him that was not able otherwile to difcerne, to preluinc that to bee the irueth wi}ich trom the very originalliiadbeenc continued andpradlilcd m tiic Church, This leructh not cJT/.'S//2»c>//turnc,becauie itfitteth not to CM. Btjh;ps church. No more doth that other place which iiec ci- tcth, " Ifhetildnot bcleeue the GofpellyVnlejfe the .-.uthoritii of the c^tho V,dZlp''lT^,' like Chnrch/houldmouewe tott. iJH. Bijhop before Jiand tcllcth vs '"'"^'"■"'X'' • "• tiiat S. ^tifttne did not fpcakc this as touching his beui^at ^rflAchriT^^ZZ^f^Zi^ Jiiiin^ but enennoKv betngaUdrned MidiudtcioHS DoUor^ kee would f,c,f' """"""■*'*»' beleeue butforthe authontiecfthe (^hurch. But very lev\dly doth he t abufc S. ^Atifitne in making him fo to /ay, as if iie had relolucd that ic ; being liippoled that the Church fliould backllidc and fall away,hec himlelfe alio would piny the Apoftataj and fall away from the taitJi of Chrill. What, was his faith built vpon men^ and not vpon God himfelfc ? Did he not know that tho ugh " r//:r;w-^»^r<'rf//^r3vr ' ™^"^' God is true ? Wiiat itthc whole worlde had conljjired againlt the bookc of God, as not long before by Arianifme it iiadde againil the .S'onne ot God,when Conftar.tiHs the Empcrour faid to Ltbi rius Bi- fliop of Rome concerning -^/^^w^^/, P Who art thou to the reho'e •{(■or Id, reho thus alone fl'^ndtfi vfith a wicked man ? Libt rtus though af- p Tind,rtt hijt, t.rwards heyeelded, yettor that time anlwered well : J he ^vcrdof'';,;;',l\]^^^f^"* f.iich / ' no rvhit impeached by my being a/one.-imi wou! d not,tJ)inke wc '■-"'"^ <7«i/eU;* S Atilltnebtivc t/ic like minde, howfoeucr all other fell awav, vet Zi'lZl'T,"' conltiindvtocleaueto thatwhicnncknevvto be thctruth.acisnot ^<""'''»'"«"«r all 'JM.BtJhops foohlTi Rhetoricke that can make vs to bcelccuc that -bumi'dir* ''"' S..ylu^ine would make any fuch protelbtion to that cllcfdtfYca,and were not both he and his fellowcs very abfurdly wilfull^tiicy would well enough fee, as haply they doc^by that which gccth beforehand that which followeth, that it can be no otherwile conllrued, but as in the perlbn of a man at firlt recciuing the Chnllian taithrto whom It IS no llnall motiuc thereunto, that the fame taich hath found ere- * dit and entertainment throughout the whole world. But the words them-- 9 84 Of Traditions. % ^^!,Z^Jju^Hi thcmfelucs ihali bcft declare to what purpofc they were f et dowiie. credit, auidi'* -^ . J , , ^ , % . i I / / > r. / , /J / I ccrc! d:cmt t,b;ni ypouUcft thoH do to himfajwg vnto thee^ t do not UtlecuciSy.reiy Ijhould Zt''MlonZ% ^^'^ beUeue the Goffell, v»/ej}e the afithcrttte of the catholicke C hnnh rem nifimt c.iiho Jhou/d ptouc me v^to I,*, ff^hout then 1 haue hearkened vnto^p^j/ing vnt* t"/r'"i£mr ' »*5 'Bc/eey.e the gofpe/J, whyjhould 1 not hearken to t hcmjaj/wg to me ShMbMer^o obtem Bcleeue Ktt Mftnichcus. Chufe whether then wtlt^ IfthoH wtitjay, be- ^c^XeEult^do: IccHc them of the catholtke church, they gitte me warning to gine no truji cur etinon cridcrc foycujfthou wHtfajyDo not beleeHC tht m of the ccthcLkc church'^ thott No\i"r^Ir!'MatuIbAlt not do wcUtoforce ms by the Gofp'eilto the faith mrA vt nui- ^^^^^ vvholc words.do crv out asainft M.'BtJhop. and as it were with modem vobu, &c. loud voice,do prodaunc that S.,ciret ^cth in liis confcflions toGod, cucn as it were to tell vs the mea- *utrtducirttAdu . - . . irii J deajj ci cjTemiu niug 01 tlicle words : ^ J atwaycs beleenedy laith he, that thou art^and ^Und^ii^qHidl'r*. '^^^ '^"■^ ^^fi ^^'^ of VS, albeit j k^ew not what to thinly ofthybeing^or iione vent Men, ir whtch way [hould Icade me or bring me agav:e to thee, Therefaewhsn fet ImLriilu ^ ^^^ *^^ weake by ^pp.irent reafon to find out the truthyar.dfor thispftr- frnHarum ii(,r*- pofe needed the anthoritie of the holy Scriptures^ 1 began new to beleeue 'la^er^m muJmo ^hat by »* weanes thou wouldejlgiue that excellency efauthcrity to thofe do tejwjfe tributHfcrtptures cHCH throhghcut the whole carth,bnt that thou would: Ji haue tern iiiis'criptHr* VS thereby to beleeue thee^ and thereby tofecke thee.1 his place fhe weth ftr oranuiam ter- the truc effcft of that otlicr fpecch, and it is great impudency and nfii^ertpf^Mtt impiety in LM.£i(bop and his fellowcs^to force vpon S.^/Jufiine that t' '^^^!'^%- protcftation which they doe by their falfe conftr u6lion . yam te qudri volw*- ' • W. Bishop OfTrxditions. 985- 23 W. Bis II OP, This matter isfo large ^ that it requireth a vhc le quffiion : but bein^ peftfjcd vp Tfithin the compajfe oftne obteEkon^ I wtllnot dwelt any Utjger in it, but here f old vp this whole qvtefiton ofTradtttons^ m the author itie of the aunc ient Fathers : out of whom, bccatifc I haue in anfrvering M • ]?CK\^\\s^andelje-tvhere.yas occajicnfernedy cited already manyjenten- ces '. I will here be br iefe> SA^naXxvasthe ^^oJilesScholler^doth exhort all (^hrtjliafity * To * Euf*b.Ii.;.j#. ftickc|fall VDto the traditions oftlic h'^oi^cs , fome ofwhuhhecom- mittedto yvriting. Poly carpus j^^ the authtriiie of the ^pofiles words, which he hadre- ceiuedfromthiir owne wouthesiconfirmedthefMthfulltntrHthi ando- , I .1 I ■ I * 'Ibidlic CIO. fterthrtw the beretick^s. ^ S. Irenxus, who imprinted in bis heart ^poJ}olicail traditiowyrecei-' uedfrom Polycarp, faith. If tlicrc Ihould bee a controuerfic about any mcanc qucltion, ought wc'not to runne vntotlic mollauncicnt Churches, in the wliich the Apoftles had conuerfcd,and from them take that which is deare Sc pcrfpicuous to define the pre(entquc- ftion?For what if the Apoftles had not written any thing at all,inuft we not haue followed the order of Traditions, which theydcliuc- rcd to tliem to whom they deliuered the Churches ? Origen teacheth, that the Church recciaedf rem the^pojlles bytra- dition,to baptize Infants. * * ub'd'/i c Athanafius faitit : * We haue proued this fentencc to haue beene Niceni conc deliuered from hand to hand by Fathers to Fathers : but ye, O new lewes,and Tonnes of C4//>/;4/, whataunccftorscanye (Iiewofyour opinion? ^ . S,BA(ilhajhthefe words: ' Wc hauc the doftrine that is kept & sana.?lp..7. preached in the Church : partly written, and part wc haue receiued by tradition of the Apoftles in myfterie, both which be ot the fjmc force to Godiines, and no man oppofeth againft thefe, who hatii at the leaft but meanc experience of the Lawcs of the Church, Srrteat vti number thcH Eufcbtus and Bierome heard of in their times,^: con- lunTDomCvT Gaining many thmgs now which they had not then, and many then which tliey haue not now. Ignatius now is made to lay, that ^ if any manfafl vpon the Lords day or vpon the Saturday ^ he is a mttrtherer of dignat.M Stc^m Chriftt wliereas S. ^ujlme contcfleth, that " beftmndtt not defined bi firegeiit.irfefti any precept oj Lhrtjt or hts ^Apojtles vph^t dayes rve are tojaft andrvhai toritmSymUajuj not, and Hitrome as we haue heard before ccnfeflcth, that Paf^/eund eft &ficme!rum otlicrs With him did faft vpon the Lordcs day, He is now made to clZZ&yi'- ^^y* ^^^^^'^ tfaHymancbJerHeEapr withthe uwes.or Jha/l be^rethe fttios eim. marks oftheirfefiiuiilldayjheis a companion and partaker with the who Lf!{'t'^'''''' ' ■ kl^^'"^ Chrifl and hts ^pofles^where^s it is maniteft by tiie ecclefiafti- iHinon.cont.Pt- Call hiltory, that* Pely carpus the Bilhop of Smyrna at tliat time kept vfr!''x^/r/i?« itwas that iren€Hs mcant,wil appear by that that is cited in the next place concerning Voijcarp us, who A^t Bf/hcp faith, ^^ the ^ptfl/et words recettiedfrom their orvne mouth es confirmed the faithf nil in truth, and ouerthrew the heretickes, Lcthis author fpeake, and let the Reader iudge how honeftly he dcalcth in this citation. The words are the wotdsot Irenaus , of whomc Eujehus reporteth, that in certainc fpccclies Sigaiin^F/ohnus t!ic herctickc, hcc faith of hinifclfe hauing bene with Vcljcarpus when he was very yong % I remember thefer jf/^f * '^■'"'' monesthat he made to the people ^andhow he told that heh^d bene con- m,mtT*T,,^Hiam Merfanfffith Ichi and others that faw the Lord, and mentioned their f ""'7 "7 T*J- IpOi/ches, and tvhat he had heard of them concerning the Lordofidcon- """, &«/, containing /,rn7g, and tliat b^ the will ofGod,to be the finnd.ttivn andptliar of our faith. 1 n a word vv hen he (zkhyfVh.tt if the apofiles had >n t writte any thing ^t iill^. mufl rve not then haue fillowed the crder oftradtton? iheintimateththat now that they haue written, we arc to follow chat which they haue written for the ccrtaintie & aflurance of our feith.He forccth the crder of tradition in tliis fort vpon the heretiks, R r r becaulc o g 8 . Of Traditions, becaufe by the Scriptures there was no dcahng witli them but , the matters whercot he trcatcth,arc clcerly taught therein, as eucry where he fhewcth th.roughout his whole booke. His next allcga. tionisvaineandchilclifh^ Origenteacheth that theChitrchrec€ined ^ ■from the Afsjiles hpradttion to baptizs infants^ whereas EeUarmine himfelfe proueth it to be ncccflary by the Scriptures, as 1 haue Ihe- \St^.\l. Yvcd ' beforw% That o^^thamjim is as httle to the purpole asall \i^th ^^^*c ^^'^* ^^^^ tiling tliat he hath in hand in the ^ booke circd is to Si^od Ntcna' gine a rcafon of the decree of the Niccnc Councell, that the Sonne ^Plt^rtrfecttt of God IS of the fame fubihnce with the Father. He ihcwcth^that j^tfxpcr^ria-rjaba the Fathcrs thcFC allcmbled dctcimined it by the Scriptures^ Ceiiftudi<,f»'tlttrn*tme*ntrularMmftrm Cat OfTraditions. ^%^ (ct downc any wordcs of his, bccaufc the matters of tradition that hcc there mcncioncth aiiiongft the Chnfl;ians, which Inltan the A- poltata apiflily would rcfcnible in his Paganifme, were IchooU and toniies higher and lower, lc6lurcs, hofpitalsj nionaftcrics, compa- nies of virgiiiSjfinging by turncSjand fuch other matters of external order and difciphne in the Church, and vvliat arc thei'e to proouc fr.iditionSjthat is matters of do6lrine not cotained in the Scripture ? VVc admit almoft all thofe thinges which hcc there fpeakcth of, and yet we condemnc traditions in that fence as wc here makcqueftion of them. SurelyiJ/. ^//^o/>j traditions are in a mifcrable cafe, that in all antiquity can find no better foundations whereupon to build them. A man would not thinke that in (o f crious a matter he would To tririe as he hath done, bringing not one place m any fort appha- ble to his purpolc, but only that ofBaftl, & yet neither tl;at ot luffi- cic nt waight to prouc that that he liath vndcrtaken to proue, as be- fore hath bene ihcwcd. 14. W. BisHOf. 'Becafife I hAue cited already feme of the LAt'ine ^undent DoBors'.in jieadcftbe rcf}^ IwillrecordoMtoftheminayf>crdertwOyhort>cldr9tten i herettkj vfedalw^yes to rcie^ v^written traditions^ and fie wholy vnto ! the written ivord. See the whole bock^.f rcrtiillians^rr/no the Caiholtckssyvas, I will not admjt to be read any words •.Zj*.j.<--«/.i, that are not written ( in the 5'criptures)<:/»'r/»(r//^-//7S Hilary ««/(?// book^ a^>^tKflQoli{{2ni\u%the Emperour, agatr.fl vchome hee alUdgeth the p r each tKgcf the Apo files and the authoritte oftheaHncieMtBijhops expref[rd$>i Ins linelj cclours. S. A ugu 'i^.mcfome i z co.yeares agoe^ recordcth the very forme ofur-- gfii>gy^lnch the Vrttffiants vfe now adayes tn theperfon o/Maxiniinus an ..irMftnhtsfrflbocl^agMnfthtminthebrginmng. If thou ihak(Jaith this hercttkyonng^ny thingoutof the Scriptures winch is common to ail , we mull needs heai e thcc, but thefc words which arc without die Scriptures, are in no fort to bcrccciucd ofvs : when as the Lord himicltc iiatli admoniflicd vSidndfatd^m vainc do they w orfliip mc teachingcommaundcmpnts and precepts of n:cn hWS.Augultin opp 7 fed ugAinfl them vnjvritten tradutotJSy hath bcr.c afc re declared^ R rr t Thf oQo OfTrdditions, The like doth S ♦ Bernard afirme ofcertaine hiretikes of his time called .Ji 0 that mofi truelj tt ntAy hce conciuded) th^t cttcn as vce Catholic kfs hAuc learned of the Sipofiles af7d amcter.t Fathers , our mc ble pregern- toYf^ t»J}^:*jdfafl atjd holdethe Traditions which wee haue rcceiut dhj worde ofviOHth, as well as that whichis written : euenfo the Trotejlants haue receiurd as it werefiom hand to h^ffdofthetr ianoi^lf predi cejfcurs old ccndcmncd heretic^esyto reteB allTrdditiotJS^and tof.te vntc the one Ij Scriptures, R.Abbot. For condufion of this qucftion hccbringeth vs here a rotten tale, Iiovv oldrctten heretic kes vfed alwajes to retefl vnwrttten traditis}2Sf cndflte wholly to the writtenword. To make this tale good, he brin- gcth vs firft a lie, and then a fond cauill. Heereterrcch his reader fii ft to Tertullians booke oifrejcriptions^ the purpole whereof what it isj 1 haue ihewed before at largCjbut in all that booke is no wordc of herctickes^/';*^ whoVj to the written woorde, Tertullian fheweth how they mangled and marred the Scriptures becingvrged there- with, rcie^ing what and where ihey lift, fo that by the 5*cr)pturcs there was no dealing with thcm:but that they did flie to theScrip^ tureSjOr required triailthcreby, he affirmeth not. And this is plane */WiMf »-^^ by /r(?;:«iot Ireiug to be compared to him that faiths {/^w^) but ifun ^nge/lfromhcaHenfjall preach vntoyen any thing but yvhAtye hatte recctuedi.^ the Scriptures of the Law and the gofpe//, accurftdbehe- Hearken to it >l/.'^/yZ;o/), and let it make you atraid to pleade for Traditions any more. Rrrj CHAP- Chapter s, OF VOWES. !♦ W« Bishop. M ^Ber Perkins if verji intricate avdtcdious in deliHeringhiso" pnicn concerntngZJowesl Irvtlliyiasgoo'derder 04-1 diK ^briefly correal his errors herein . /« his fa^'^ge ( vfhtih he intttleth of our confents ) he range lh many things^ -wherein we differ much } asfirfi tn the defimion cfa vowyphtch he define th thus : A Vow is a promiic made to God,touching fome dutie to bee performed to Inm. Thif definition cometh too ^ert of a Fow,^ agreeth vnto all other coucnants made hetTveene Godand man\ and fo Adams Acceptance not to eatt of the forbidden fruite fhonld be a VoKv J and '^ot% buildmgofthe ^rkfl and briefly etiery acceftance andfromife tc fulfill any of^ods comnMn- dements: ^ ccnfequently euerj breach of them njftfi needs be rwofeue- railfwnesfhe one ofdifobedience infnch aprecept^the other of infidelity bybreakingofoHrvow* Allwhich abfurdities neceffarilyfoUow of M^ Perkins his definition^ &be things vnheardofeythsr in holy Scriptures or amongthe ancient holy Fathers, proceeding onely ontofthe dro^eof their owne deuices^and therefor with as great facility to be denied ofvs as they doe with audacitie auouch thaw. To make vp then the definition, wemufl adde,that theprcmife to God b:e of fome better good^procee* ding from our owne free choife c^hhirtii'.fo that novowis made with' oHt a mans free choife to btndhimJelf^oHer andbefidesallother neceffary hondslwhichto beof the nature of a i/ow,wf grJherfirfi out oftheholy •Dcui. J J. Scriptures:* If thou make a vow, be not flow to pcrformc it : butlf thou wilt not promi{c,thou ihalc be w ithout (in. What can be more cleare^thenthat a mamay chufe whether he wi/vow or no^.wkich is con" firmedin S.Paul: He thatdecrecth in his heart.nothauing ncccflity, but hauing power ouer his owne will,&c. So that this Itbertie topro^ mifeyor not topromife^ u oft hefuhfiance of a Vcw,ar.dthat if he liji not to vowyhe doth notfinnel which were veryfalfc^ if the acceptance efne-m ceffary duties were fowef. For he that refufeth to accept them^dothfini as if a manfhouldrefufe toperforme a^.y of Gods commaundements. Hence of y owes. p^^ Uence it follow eth meji mawfefitj^ that thfremft jvkich rvee make to Cod m 'B^fttfm^y ofkfefi ':g Golf commaHndementtyis no vorv , if a vow be t4ikenfroferljy becAHJe tt Iteth not in vs f refnfe it^ without we wtU vithallrefufe the grace of BapttfrneyOndrePMine inthe Jiate ofd^mna- turn. ^nd}A.Fetk.insa^rmtn^irtol>eeay«Wt and often repeating tt, dooth not once confirme it wuh anyjhadow* offroofey hnt takft thut for gratacd, which heknowes we doe denieflatlj, R. Abb 0T# Wliat the nature of a vow is, wc fhall bcft conceiuc by the vfc thereof, wliich we find txprefled in the Lawc of God, which if wee wel weigh ^thc Ifraclitcs inthcwiWcrncffc ^ vowed a vow, faytftg, ifthouwiU deliver an^iiue this peofi/e (which were of the Canaiinices^ into mine handes, I rvill make their cities anathetHa, that IS, I will vttcily deftroy them, refcruing the (poylc thereof < ludg \ .\o. to be confecratcd vntothee. Thus <^ lephthe vpon condition of vi- 6lory againlt the Ammonites , vowed tor a burnt offering to the Lord whatfocuer at his returnc Oiould firft meete him out of his owne houfe : '^ Hannah vpon condition oFhauing a fonne, vowed d (.sani.tii. j^jj^^ fQj. J perpetuallNazarite to the Lord ; « Danidmikclh vowes «p(ai.&» .1 J- jQ QqJ jj-, j^jjg j-jj-j^g oih\% trouble, namely vpon condition of becing deliuered therefrom:and ^bfolon though councerfeitly, yetexprel- f > Sam K .8 ^*"§ ^^^ manner and v fe ot vowing, {aich to T>amd his tadier, ^ Thy ftrnant votvedavow when I remained tn Gefliurin ^r am, faying. If the LordJhaU bring me againe to h rnfalem, I wtllferue the Lord, pre- tending thereby the offering of lome lacrifices and offerings, by which he would fhew himfcltc thankfuU to God« And thus as in all other leruice in the Law the performance of out ward e ceremo- nies was required, notforthcmrdues, but for the fpiriiuall duties that were (hadowed thereby , euen fo was it in vowes, that not for the carnall and outward thingcs that were vowed, but for the in- ward affcftionsand deuotions thereby exercifed, they were accep- table vnto God, For it is true which 7"^ r/»///4« faith, g Gtj^rfi^w/ UareM.'^.Non require the things thcmfelues that were done, btit thatfer which they ,s. ^^^ fpifituall and inward deuotion,though afted by carnall feruicc. But fpirituall afts and duties of religion are the fame now that they were then, and the fame then as now. Therefore the thing properly and principally meant in vowes, continueth now the fame as it was alfo then. Whereof it muft follow, that they who make vowes of other intendment then they did & make promifes to God of other matters then were meant in their vowes, do deale very finifterly & corruptly in alledging their example for the warrant of them. Yea and feeing the fpiritual deuotions intended in their vowes are com- mo to all pcrfons & of all conditions,neithcr did import any thing that iliould belong to any deuided forts or focieties of me,but what all Chrillians fhould alike performc to God, what are they but dc- uifcrs of new worlhip and feruice vnto God, who vnder the colour of fifVowes, i 99^ of thofc vowcSjdo now bring in fclc(5l and fpcciall afts & cxcrcilc ol: religion peculiar onely to lomc men J If all Chriltian dcuotions fignificd by tliofc vowcs,wcrc found ainongrt the le wcs,as hath bin faidjand thcle lclc6l and peculiar dcuotions were not found, certain it is that thefc deuotions arc but fuperllitions,and hauc no warrant tiomthcold 1 cllament to bee praftilcdin the new. Now then to ccxnc to diat which M, 'Biflitp faith,albejc there is no man but well knowethtliacapromileismorethena bare .icccptancc, yet wholly to take away that cauill,wc terme a vow aj\Un;nt fromi/ey w hereby a man in Ipcciall manner bindeth himfclt to that whicii he vowcth. Albeit where there is a promifc made to keepc Godscommaundc- mcnts.who but an ablUrd man wil hold it for an ablurdiiy to affirnic ihsil tn the ^rt-rf.^ there is a double trelpallc, bccaiilcto thcoblcr- nation hec was tycd with a double bond, botii abfolutciy by duetic, C and reipcdiucly by couenantand promi(e,and tiierfore mult needs (^ be laid to viobte his dutic.thc one way, and his fidchtic tiie other, Otherwile why doth God vpon'' a promifc to kecpe his lawcs, fo ''Dtut.^.if. often charge his people in fpcciall manner for dcahng' vnfatthfklly '^^''^J^' with him, calling them in that rcfpeft ^ children in whom is nofatih, , g^*" ,'q '^ ^' no fidclitic or trull,' /jiing children^ ^af^l/e or lying feed, with lundry m Chap.57'4» other fpccches in lundry places to the like effcdc . It was therefore but aRomifli diftcmpcr o^M.Titfljops cics,hauc made hun vnable to fee gold from droire,and caufed him to take thatforanerrorjwhich comet 1 vnderrtanding lliould intorme him to be a trutii. As lor that which he tellethvs, that by our definition wee make all coucnants with God and promifcs to him to be vowcs,wc anfwcr ium,that wc ) t auioci^? iibcYtt: to-prowife omst topremife is ofthefuhfiance of a vow, nothing • to proue that the name of vowcs doth not belong to the accfptance ofHecej[arydutfes,i\XQ\\^ui\c^^s\n therefuiall whereof wee ihould commit finne. Nothing therefore is thereto hinder, but that the promifc that wc make to God in baptifme fhould properly be cal- hb!jZ7f!ig.vo. Jfcd a vow, if wc vnderftand the proper vfc thereof in refpe6l of the Tttmoffertetjoiuit thing vowcd as M, Btjhop doth , Wee take the proper vfc from the aiulTrpou&' matter not from the matter of it as hath bene before faid, but be- ^»;»«. caufethequeftionhereiswhatisporperlvthemattcrofavow-wcc 7 . . s^f.d dchtmHi lay there is no exception thciicetobcc^akcn why thcj)romilc or I -^oitenrCrcdf^e'u [^tifme ihould not properly be czlltiT^vo^^iT^uXQWHerome ma- iiiovi'.^m AUrnAm kttlvhclinejje in body ^ tnjftrtt the matter of a Cnril-tian vow.S.^f* b,ni vtutrcfccun. ff^^ jskcth thc Qucftion & anfwcreth it J fFhat are we to vow to God? modu.f^rtum nou To oeleeue in himyto hope for eti rnalUfe at his hands ^to line wellacccr^ f^ctrcMA tcri^m ^' ^^ ^y^ manner of life that ts common to alL not tofieale. not to com- mare vi iticrAiAm fnit odultfry^not to loue drnnkenes^not to beproud,not to kllinot to hate ti'dem w pfai. <'^*' brother. And againe,^^^^? do we vow to God but to be the temple i-ii.kLid v<>HiM 0f(jod?\ltmikttWit^ the bejlvowto offer our foule to God. Howi 'Sy teZplum^i)^'^ holy hehauioHr^bj chafi thoughts y bygoodworkesjby decliningfrom eutll a idim de Tcmp.fer ^„d tumtng togood.\hht(c thiugs bc thc matter of GhrilSan vows, "iplrlZ.'n^ why is the profcflion of baptifme which containeth all thefethings, !w!rSS)&Tct- ^^^^^^ '^ ^^ * v^owJ The great fchoolmafter of thc Roman church ^ttatioiubiK caftii, «pertbusfrHiiue(is,4ttertendo Amal»,& temurtndo ddbtnum. defined! Umnino velnnt/i- ritmfrtfniifir.ti C4id.it fub veto. dcfincth'* avyc tohctheteJ}ificationofavoiHn':dconcernn:qth^fetht»qs ivhuh bclcm to God'.Mx^ 1"^'^'^^'^"^^' , , ' . Ill ; yi>lHmtlttfl'..f(4» according cothisdcnnition uiaketn that a vw rvhich all make in uot^uAdon-fr: hptifmc^bccauit cherc voluntarily men protclhind promile to con- '"^i]^l'J^^'''/,l'„' fecrace to God botluhtir bodies and their foul; s, a^bcll:u both his g«xi.„y«rf/r/ri by righcotcrcation& redemption, and vvil/1/. Bip;op here come m t'/.u^TafcdTn"^ and tell vs^HiC m.igtfltmon t. n:tHr, Here our 7r.ajhrtcls n lie ? f heir ^■^M"'* >»mtifA. ordinary glollecalleth thole proteltationsot" bapiikne' ihecotnmjH cTr'fjjl'rdmAr.in t/ort>eSjWt:ho;:t which there is no/alHattOfi ::iUi} 7 haf?7as ^^inas dutl\ ^/^' i^commu- not dcnic but chac the fame properly doc tall into the nature of a /'«-•.«« f/?ML vow,becau(c-/^^^^fr^i' liir.iri/j donyhnttoviooih hajlpropcrlj ihcy l^"!^"^^*'";^, arc no vowcs, bccaulc chat is mcfi properly avow rthtch is a/together i .-d ; .Sub tor# voluntary, that is, luch as that a man is wholly at his Ovvne thoy ( c iT^'i^,17./«t ",' whether iic ioc it or not. And wiience commcch this mojlproperly ? niifi.iuetjitde , Marry out ot the iov^cias hb braincs, u ho Ice mgX''•^^■ '/!!"''"' n^^ thatthat which he was to lay tor their other voucs could not well ' iiang together, itthcpromileoFbaptirnic fliould bee taken for a pcrf-c6t vow, hewed and pared the definition of a vow that it mighd < be fitted lor his turnc. Azcriiis the Icfuitc tellcth vs,that " the aun- 'r[. v,',^Tpr!^f*'t cienfDiuines ,AS alfothe Mclier of the fcntences, feeme to thinkethat dciHmvtttr,iTht I ir'ill/r\\\- eltpcumm.:^i. Pitptt/me is ti vow properly And trneljjo cuiUd b^t ( laitn he; it is wore p/c xUkaht ftn- poh.ble which the reH of the Schoole-men holde. 'J hus againft the ":' ^'i^'ft':'", iudgement of the auncientDiuincs,they frame al things as tlicy hit j/<; ttmnt. and wee mull take cucry of their blinde (oplrn'mcs to bee a ccrtainc rule of crutli. But we refufe them to be our mailers, and cJiufc to follow that which the Church before them hath t cllowed, accoun- ting all chole things the matters of our vowes to God vvi)ich were figured by thole ccrciiicnics and lacrifices which were vowed by the law, euen all the fpirituall lacrifices ofpraifcandthanklgiumg and al o-ood works whereby we honor and glonfic almightie God, all which according to our Hate of life we promiic to Godin bnp- fjr,nf*/.*„^.'*- , tifmc and therefore do account that promifc a vow, becaufe >tcoii-/;;/';';^<^'^''^-J^^^-^^^ taincdi the fpiritual lubllance ot thole auncicnt vows.I hccompikr 72iiu>ixiH,*il» of the book ot Sentences in S.v^«/?/«/worksJutIi fro one or ether ^^•j;^;;'j;;j'^^'^ gathered this lentcnce,^ Whofeeuerwellheethwki th htm wL.t to verve x ox.:: & ndd^t. to god^and what tn v swing tovay^iet him vow hwfdp andp-iy himjelf ^^l^',*'""' "*'' This isrecj-iirsdof Gcd, Andthts is due to God, Jl thisbce ihcright conceit of a vow, then the promifc of baptirme is a vow, and it is r»ot y.^r- looo of y owes. not true which M'BipJo^ faithjthat there is no vow properly fo cal- led ofnecejfary duties , becaufe vvc vow that which God require th, and which is due to God. Albeit for conclufion I am to aduertifc ( thee (gentle Reader) that we make not the matter of vowes to con- "^ lift onely in neceflary duties^that is/uch dueties as God namely rc- quircth of vs, but that fometimes we vow tholcthinges which reft vpon our choy(c,and whcreofin particular we arc commanded no-« thing. Foralbei^God require thankfulncfl'e and duiie fOr the mer- cies which we haue rcceiued of him, yet hee hath not prccifely fct downe, that by way of thanks a man ihould al wayes do this or that but hath left the deuout and thankcfull minde to call and conlider which way he may tcftifie the afteftion of his heart, by doing fomc good workewhereofhehath vndcrftandingby the woordcofGod that it fhall be acceptable vnto him.Thu s a man,though not bound to itj yet may vow to doe fcruicc to G O D in the miHiftery of the Church,and being a minifter, concciuing his feruice in this or that fort to be profitable ro the Cimrclijmay by vowing himfelfe thereto abridge Inmfclfe of that libertic wijch otiierwifc hee might enioy. So may a mannc vow a parr of his goods tothe poore, as s Zachetir did, when as by no commaundcmcnc he is vrged fo to doe.Thelikc may men doe for the building and endowing of Schoolcs,Ho(pitaIs ColIcdges,and fuch other godly and charitable vfes, when yet thefc things by precept are not neccflarily laid vpon them.Yea neither doc wequcftionbutthata man vpon good grounds, and (b long as hee fhal not thereby be'' tntangledm *fy«^rf ,may priuatly vow vnto God a fingle life, to the end that hee may the more comraodioufly applic himfelfe to the fcruicc of' the kingdome of God : this vow beeing conditionall only fo far as ic fhal bcc Iccondgd with the gift of God, and fo long as it fhali lliind with peace of conlcicnce towardes him. In thefc & fuch like is tlie true imitation of the outward ceremonic of the law, whcrin men were at their hbertie whether to vow or not works whereof generally we hau - vvai rant by the word 6i God,buc kchryfoji.nppti. vvhcreof in particular the re is no necelTitie impofed vpcn vs, being 49-^,' ^^'**^''^ left vnto vs at large, thereby freely and voluntarily to exercife our ttfi mtntmipromi't zcalc and dcuotion towards God, Wherin notwithftanding we arc ,?i"w'S c-rf ^° remember that caution that Chryfoftomi giuetb,'^ ]fA man exuUly fimfignifieansdict wctgh the matter, our verifies are dy,e to God./.lbeitthey be not promifed \ j^',^!^^^""" ^r vowfd^whkh Chnfi fiimfiith when he/aitb, Wc haue done that that f;:ukel>).8. >»lCo 7.55. i Mac. 1 9.!; ofycwfs. loo I was otit duct J to do.For feeing vvc are bound' te hue the Ltrdottr God tvtth ,t/l our h^rt ^with al ohrJoHle^mthallourmu d^vfittjAiofirfireKfth " *"^^'*^* vvcmuftconcduc chattliougii noihing be ciirc6^cd vnro vs in par- i ticularas touching the ncccHicic of (iich or lucha workc, yctintlic \ gcnerall wc doc notlung therein but what we owe to God, bcccaufe a whatloeucri J within vs or whatfoeucr is wichout vs, we ow« dl to ^ him , Yea and the vow oFour baptifmc dotii afccr a fort containc all tilde other vowcs in that beeing there confecratcd wholly to God, wc vndertakc thereby to take all occafions and oportunitics to doc honor vnto God, As i or Popil'u'owsjbeing as they arc for the moll part brainfick & idle lancics^luch as whereof neitlier in the general nor in the particular we haue any tcrtimony from God that they arc accepted in his fight, tiicy are only apifli counterfeits ot thofc Jegall and ccremoniall vowcs, but doc r-o way carry rlie true rcfcmblancc ofthcin, nor that lite ol fpirituall worilup and icruicc that was fba- dowcd thereby, 7* W, BisH OP. Thefecorjdpointofour/Hpforedconfentis^that fowes were fome part •fCods worfhip in Moles law, but are not jo in the Gofpclywhtch we al/o deny.hA.l^ctV.froffes his a(jert!on thus'.lows belonged to the ceremonies ofMoCcs/aWy but allthofe ceremonies are abols^ed bj ChnJispaJJion, An(,Thatyow(Snthelel:iesweren9p.\rt6fthe ceremcniesofMofcs iaw,bnt true parts of the wr^rpjtv of God tndlUflates, as well in thejlate 9f nature and the Gofpdl^as in iMoles Uw'.but this point JA.Fcrk.hand- leth agJtne tn the firft point of our difference , where it fl}Allbe dtfc tiffed. Thirdly he faith that ffcciall' owes may be made in the new Liw^toper" forme fome bodily excrctfefor feme good ende , as to fi^-f to tasks our felues topr/ijersyorfluny of holy Scripture, andfuch lil^e, bht many rnles muB then be cbfirued \ that wee v:-w an horiefi thing ..agreeable to Gods yford : this we allow. Secondly ^ that ir befo made that tt may fiundwith ChriHian Itbcrtte, that is, that it make not fuch thirges necejj.irj i?t eonfcience, which Chytfltanriltgicn Uaues atltbertie, ihisrHlc tfhit is fin repugnant to the nature of a vowy and contrary to himfetfe. For he faith a little before ^ th^t a Chrt/ii-in may vowfafitng, pr^yrr, .ilmef- : deedes, I then dtm lurd^ hantng vowed thefe thiges^ is hee not bound to performs them ? THiOr elfe he break's his vowy with which Cjcd is highly ♦Deuc.jJ. tcdei.'^O. Quxft.S?. ir loo 2 of y owes. highly difflcAfed, * An vnfaithfull promifc difplcafeth God, Then is it manffefl^jfhat all voytes Ate abridge vs of our libertie, atjdmake that vnl^fullforvsrvhich before our vow rvasUwft^U: vfhich isfo enident ofttfelfe^ that I marHell where the mans wit and memorte was when he ■mr»te the contrary* His otherrttleSythatavow be made wtthgood deliberation aridwith con/entofour/Hpenofirsy and not onely cfthingesfojftble^but alfo of the better fort ywe allow for they are taken ont of enr Dehors See ^S.Thom, R. Abbot That which M. ferklns faith is true, that in the Law oiiMofes the ccrcmoniall workc it (clfc was a parte of the worlhippc of God, and was to bee done in it felfe by way of obedience to (jod.Hcc fpeakethnotoftheadl of vowingfimplicbyitfclfe, as C^[,BiJbef tallly wrcftcth liis words, but of the vow of a ceremoniall dnetie in the way offeruice to Gody which if ^. Btjhop doe not acknowledge to be aboliiihedjhcemuftbeecomca lew, and pra^^ife the facnfices and offerings prcfcribcd by Mofes law.fiut of this hee ttUeth vs that wee ihall heare more hereafter, and wee are content to wait his Icifurc* As touching vowes vnder the Gofpell, c3/« Terkms affirmeth,that they may bee made as touching the performance of fome outward & bodily exercilcjfor fome good ends and purpo(cs,as when a man feeing himfelfc prone to drunkcnncffe.doth hy a vow bind himfelfc for a time to the ibrbeanng of wine and flrong drinke, or vpon oc- cafions tyech himfelfc to fct fafling, and prayer,and readmg ofthc Scriptures, and gluing of fome let almcs, and fuch like. But as tou- ching fuch vowes, he deliuereth certainc cautions to bee obferued ♦ The firfl M. B/Ihop alloweth, that our vow bee agreeable to the will and word of God. The fecorid he vnderftandctii not, and therefore ouilleth at it. It is required that our vow ftand with Chriflian li- t bertic, that is, that by vowing we intangic not our confciences with Z any opinio of the neceffity of the things thcmfclues wiiich wee hauc I vowed, as if any worlhippe or holincfle confifted in tiiofe externall and formall obferuations, but that in our pra«ftife ofthem we know that in themfelues they are no matters of confciencc , nor doe yccld vs any part of righteoufneflTe with God# Now this which Af, Ver- i^«;applycthagainflthc conccipt of die very thingcs themfelues which of V owes, looj irhich a man hath vowcd,iW« Bifho^ conftrueth as if he meant it of being at liberty trom tlic performing of his vow. But a man may religioully pcrlormc his vow, and yet know that the thing itfclfc is otno value with God which Jie pertbrmerh j and therefore MJ>er- i^;j/ wits did not failcmdehuering, but Ai*'BtJhoj>s in vndcrftan- ding, Thofe other conditions that fuch vowes muftbemadc with conlent of fuperiourSjand of things that are in our power to doe, and agreeable to our vocation and calling , and with good dehbe ration, and for a good end, /^.J?/y7yo;j approueth alio, and there- fore not qucftioning whence they were taken,and telling him that our vprighrnelle appearcth therin,if wc be content to take of them what IS confonant & agreeable to the tru:h,we fo let them go. i. W. B I s H o P. Now to the points in difference. Firji,the Qh::r(h (fRcme (fiiithlA. Perkins) tcdtchefh,that in the new tejlamentywe ute as much bo'tnd to make vowes yOi vas the Church ofthcleypeSyivejajno\ confuleriiig that the Cere?n«maU Law is now abclifhed^andyve kaue only two ceremonies hy ccmmAr.dcment to be ob^ ferhedfor farts of Cods rvtrfhip '.Baptifme and the Sufft r of the Lcrd, Anfwer. fVhat, is rot ycHrHolly'dnjferuice^whuh you call dining /eruice) any fart cf^cds wcr/hip injof.r crene cf miens ? Canaf.blike njfcmbly irjittitti d to honour Cod Lyfrayc r and ihtinkf/^ii $>g retth cx^ ternall c(remo;y of time ^f lace ^af fare ll^ky-celmg^fi^ndtng at.d fating be nop.rrt of Gads worjhtf inycur trrelligicus Congr(gatiohs,aQtr(}}tfo;Gcd. But to the matter of eitjfircr ceyyou grew veryc rt forts oftur doBrtne'for vre he Idrhat neither tn the old nor nerv Lwj a> y man ts bound to vow,bht that tt n (^ < ucr vas acounctll,ay.dno comma) d. mefJ,neuertheltJfe,a thi> gof great defecti- on ard pi rfcElior. in b. thf}. tes, t>it} infc ca ly brlcr.gvg ar d muchfur- thertr.gt^thc truf ffc rjh/i,pe (falmghtyGod, nhuh ve f roue tn this fcrt, Im a vow are two ihirgs'^ the one is the good 7) ht^ h is vcwcd, CfU ledthem tin llpart'.for example, Fafltng^ c. 7 heather, thefrt- mtfettfelfcmadeto G^d, -^huh is the forme y the rr.aurt. li pi.rts do beliiHcvntothitr (eUirall Virtues: but tl.is prtmtfc ardferjormance SSI 'f loo4 OfVowe^. ofitbifiihSiantUllpartfofGsdirvorJhlf. For bjpromifmgofanjgd$i thinivnto GodyWe dcknorcledge ayidprofej[t thut God is th: pHtrai^^a goodne^e itfelje^ andtaketh great pleafHre in allgoodparpofes and de» terminations : th:refore to hononr and rvorjhip him, we m^k^ that good promtfe aq^atne in performing that good fernice oj(jod^ roe tejiifiey that he is moft rnuejlitall^ retterend^ and dreadfniU ^And confequently that a/lpromt/es made to him , are to bee accompUJhsd mofl dt'tgentlj^ i and vpithoat dcUy^wherein we honour and worjhip him, as co'/itrariwtfe they doe my.ch difhonour him who breake with him, as ifhee were of no better account then to bee fo deluded. This thing in itfelfe isfo certaine andcleare^that he who denies it 5 muji needes either hs ignerant $n the n^itKre of a vow, cr not know wheretn.the true worjhip ofGodconRftith: for according vnto the holy Scriptftresit fc/fe, all good deedesdoneto the glory oj God, be aBs of the true worfhip of God. And Saint Anne * ulc. I. * did won hip God, by falling and prayer, ^nd * almes bejiowed • Phii.fl., onGods pri/bners, ts called s^ facnfice pkafing and acceptable to »iac,s ^^^ • -^"^'^ is/atde, * to be a pure religion before God, to vifirc Orpliancs & widdawes: If then all other v^rtHoas dnties done te the glory of God^be parti of his true worfhip \much more vowes which by jpeciallpromife dedicate agooddeede to Gods honour'.they then betng of their ownc nature, Jj)eciall parts of his trns wot fhip of God, it fbllowcth nfceffaryythatatalltimestheywereandmaybevfrd to the truewor" Jhip of God: that thty were inpraEiife before Moles Law iseutdtntby *-Gco.>8.. that vcw which Izcoh made,* cffetti>:gvp afione, which Jhoaid be called the hoafe of God, and of pAyi^ig the tcnthcs of all his goods. Out of which vow J we alfo gather, that ^odholdethfir agreeable, any kindof qoodftrnice oferedv)ito himoPttofoHr.owm deuoticn'.albeit hi hath y.ot comma.indcd it, for nofuch thing 06, 1 acob there vowed was commaun^ dcdhtmybtit he beingwellaffuredthat it would be well tal^n by Gody. which was offeredof good will, to his greater honour ^he v.jwedit^andis t:-t holy Scripture commendedfor it. ^I.gciine that when Saint Paul *feemeth to difilow vol tint ar it worjhip yhe mufi be vnderfiood tojpeake either of erronious, oroffimo' lotis andfooitfh things promtfedto(^ody which donot properly frne to the\ fetting firth of his honour, E. Abb otJ «^coior.2. ofVmes. loof R. Abbot Our diHtneferuke^ our prayers and tliflnlcfgiuings to GodjOur hearing of his wordc, and rccciuing oFliis lacramcntcs are indecdc theworniippc of God, and our pubhkc aflemblies arc inllitutcd hereby to lionour God, but asforthecxternall ceremonies oi time, placc; apparell, kneeling.. Handing, and fitting, ifc^.tS/y&c^Twits itood ngftCj he would know that they are tliinges accidental! to the worfhip of God, but no parts thereof, God is not honoured by our meeting at /uch a time, or by bceing in fuch a placc , or by weanng fuch or luch apparell, or by our kneeling, or (landing, or fitting,but by the things which according to his coirmaundcincnt wee doc in the vfagc ol tlieic thing5. The Church was wont to forbeare knee- /r hng in their prayers troniEafter to Whitrontide,andyctwcefup-P pole Ai, 'B'.fjoy IS not To ablurd, as to (ay that therefore they fayl^d to doc to God fonic part cf his wcrlhippc, A number of apifli gc- ftures for many hundred y cares were wanting in the Waflc, and was iherelomepartecf Gods worfliippc wanting all that while ? This matter necdcth not to be ftoodcvpon, nor would there ha ucbcenc? occafion to fpcake of it at all, but that mens (enlcs cemmonly faiic )^ them moft , when they thinkc to vie them moft acutely againftj God. He calleth our congregations irrcligio::s , and faith thej arc fijfemtliAagAtnJIChrtJiarjdhisChkrchi butGodhath iuflificdour congregations to their lliame and confiifion, and for the mainte- nance ot them hath To fliewed his prouidcncc & pcvvcr,that as tlx ^Egyptians (aide, ^ Ihe Lord fghteih for ifrdtll agaihji ih: tyigyfti- uns^ lb the Roniini idolaters hauc becnc forced to lay, 7 he Lordc * " *^' fightcth for the Englifli congregations againft vs. But to come to the matter, he findctii fault with yJ/.P<^;/^/«/ hisreportol their do. ftrine, nnd therefore himfclfcreporteth it, that ihij hoid: that nei- ther in the old r. or -fU vp Um ay^j man is bound to Virr-y h. t that tt etu r TVAsa co!:r,ceil .itjd no commar: dement, yet neuerthclej[e c thtr.g cj great ■ dcuctton ardpnfc^iijn in both finite Sy andmtri>fec\i!iy bt Urging tc the .trficTvcrJhtp of God* NA'here as toucliing ccrcmonjall vowci, he faith .trulyhathin thcoldnomfi wasexpredy bound to vow, but that thole vowes were matters ot pcifcdion in ;he old lawe , if wee will .lake itvpon his word jWc may, but how toproucithc cannot tell: S i T a it loo6 OfVortves. It b a mcerc dotage, neither is there any ground whercupo n to af- finne that cucr they were taken fo to bee. Nay euen then was it true which Origen faich,^ To offer a mansfelfe to Gcdwas a Wi^ttcr ofgrea-- b ortfen. in Num. terfcrfe^ioH And emtne/icie then all vows'.which he that doth^iiiith he, htm. i+. Scmtt //> isthe follower tfChri^e. But as touching vowes & proniiles of (pi- tft"p!^c£&e°-' rituall duties and feruices which were figured in cholc cercmoniall mwemti'MommhM Jcuotions, it is vCtctly falfc vvhich hce (aith , whether in the old or VtimStrlfi " new law, that we are not bound vntcrthem.and iiis ovvne words do chrtfii. planely ihcw the cotrary .For he telleth vs tliat vowes do intrin fecal' ly hlong to the true veotfht^ of God , and who doubteth but that God hath required and commanded whatfoeucr beelongeth tntrinje" f^//f to his worlhip and feruice f For it they bee not ccmmaunded, there is no neceility of them, If there be no neceflity of them,then the religion and worfliip of God may ftand pcrfc6t wirliout them , If the worlTiip of God may ftand without them, then they do not intrmfecally belong to the true worlhip of God. But beecaufe the true vowes are intrinlecally and cfTentially bcclonging to the true worfhip of God, therefore we muft vndcrftand and know them to becommaundcdofGod, and that hee hath not left any intrinfecall part of his true worfhippe, to depend vpon our will. And this will yet further appeare by i^Xi^t^Btfho^s prcofc, who, (ctteth do wnc the matter and forme of a vow, the mutter the good thing vchichis vowed : the forme the promt fe itfelfe made to God, tellcth V5 that this promi/e and the performance of it are fpthsiantiall partes of Gods veor' fki\)* Forhypromtfmg, faith he, ofanygoodthingto Cjod^ roe acknorv' ledge andprofeffe that Godis the fotaratgne goodne^e it fife. Nowe if vowes bee afubiiuntiallpart of Godsworfhip , and yet not ccm- maunded of God , then fomc parte of the fubilance of Gods wor- lhip hangeth vppon our difcretion and choyle , whether to yeeldc it him or not, and wee may yecld him a maimed worlliip wanting fomc parte of the fubftancc of it, and yet committe no trefpaffe a- gainllhim . Sohkewifcif vowes bee the acknowledging and pro- feJftngafthefoueraignegoodnejfeofGod^ and yet not commaunded of God, wee may without flnnc forbcare lome parte of the acknow- ledgement and profeffion of the foueraigne goodnciTc of God . Jf thereby w ee tejlifie that he is mofi maiefttcall, renerend and dreadfullt and yet God hauc not commaunded them, wee may refufc to giuc this teftimony without any impeachment of tiic maieftic of G O D. But QfVmes, iooy ButGoUisnotworHu^pcdmclucroni hee hach not left our ac- knowledgement of him arbicrary to the difcrction of our will. He hath commanded vs *^ togtuevnf him theglorj of his name^ that is '^^'*' •*•• the glory that bclongcth sk is due y nto him, and if vowcs bee a pare of that glory as M/Bijhcf tclicth rs they be, they cannot be cxciiip ted from tliat comiiiandcaieut.Chrift hath commanded vs ^' togme d Mjc » i. m to God the thif^s that are Gods-itvo^cs bee afubllantiall partot the worfliip of God, we are tied to giue the lame vnto hiui, neither may we thinkc our felucs bound tor one part ODcly,and at our own liberty for the other; Nov all this paines that hectakech, to prouc thatvowesarcaparcofthc worfhipofGodjisbutloft as touching VSjbccaufe hcfighteth without an aduerfary,&prouech that which wedenynotjbutitgiueth vs aduantagc againllthem, to charge thcmwithmanitclt and abhominable idolatry , in theconteHing vowes to be a fubitantiall part of that worfhip of God, they com- municate this lioncur to the Saints, and make vowcs to them of fa- ftings, praicrs, pilgrimages, churches, altars, tapers, and what not?a tiling lovoidc of all tcrtimonic of Scripture, as that BelUr- iwiwt' is content to lay,' that when the holy Scriptures rvere rvntten^ tE.ii^r dfcmiim the cufionte ofvovomg to SatntswMttotjet begnrj* It is nothing there- _^'',']t'/,l'^;f!|7«». foreagaindv^tthathealledgeth, that lacoh made avow, thereby '-r^^f*"^* nonjm CO proue that there was vfe of vowes before the time oiMo/es law Znd,fJ&.'^*' but whereas he faith that the things wliich JMcohvo\\t^,wt> e cut of his 0T»nc dtHotiotiyandrnt >.ommundedofGody\\c fpcakcth it but at ail aduenture,knd iuth no ground for that tliat he faith. For if his rca- fon be becauic wc do not read that any thing was commanded to lacob in that bclulic, we may likcwilc argue that hoc did all other douotions our ot his o.vnc heart , and recciued tliciu no. by com- maund(.meucfioni God, becaulewee readc nothing oi any iiich commaundcmcnt. But it is true which C?r/^f«laitl),chat num/ui ionjtn.o.t.cttf thAtfecthvpiththecycsofhisfcufe, wor{hippeth Cjod oihcrwife thcuas tiui4.'r,tm4ctmi$ he ht-rfilfehdih ta f ^r.and which Hi/^ry faith, that ? wt mtynr vn- "',' '""'* ^/^ •' -' o y -' eel I quamjicmt dtrfiandoth^ards looS OfVmes. wards ini the law giucth cbliimari demerit of the lame things ofbuil- dino akars and pay mg tithe's, & vndbubtedly God gauc not com- maundcmentsottlnngs which he had learned of /^r^^ , but which lacob had bene tauglit by him. Yea^and becaulc the Apoftlc S.Vanl Col. 1.2?. condemncth ^ rvtll xvor/hip Or voluKtury religion y that is, all luch dc- wotions as men vndcrtake of thcirowns deuice, thereby giuirig to vnderftand that God ncuer approiiech any (iich/uVely wc may wcl refolue that lacob would not be guilty of any fuch prc(umption,but would firll open his care to leiVf ne of Gpd what to doe, before hec would put forth the hand to do any thing vnco God, But faith M' Bt^ op ^^, Pan I when hefeemeth to difallow volHyitaryrforpjip^mHJi bee vnderjioodtojpeak^ either oferromous or cffriuolohs andfiolifh things promi/edto God, which do not properly fcrne for the fettmg forth of his glory. Where we fee the very patternc of an erroneous, and friuo-^ ious,and fooliflianlwer. The Apoftlefimplytaxcthjri/7»rtfr/&i)><«/ en-oneous, and friuolous, and foolifii, & A'LBilhop tclleth vs, thati he incaneth that will worfliip that is erroneous, or friuolous and foolifh. Hee muft bee vnderftood effrimloys andfcolijh things faith CM.Bi/hopy6c rhe Apoltle tclleth vs that he Ipeaketh of fuch things -Hbia.- as ' hAueapiew of re if dome, ^n^ therefore not to fight, but onely to v;>..«AM /piritualliudgemcntarefriuoloils and foolifh. And therefore doth thcAportlemak^'thctft'cn'oneOUSjaiidaffirme that^ they per i/h in the vffig,hcciu(t'they are after the doBrtnes and commandcmerjsof wif/Zjalluding to that which our 5auiour in the GofpcU citeth out of the Prophet ' In vatne doe they worpiip me, teaching for doRrines the l.vi«.t 5.9. prec€psofmen\ hm M.Bi/hop will hauc vs think that the Apoftlcf meaning is not to reprduc generally the do6irines and commandc- mentsofmen, butonclyfomethatbe erroneous ♦ In a word, fct them one againil another^and hearken well what they fay .The A- poftle faithjvoluntary religion or worihip is erroneous, becaufcit is afterthe do6lrines and commandements of men. Maimer Bijhop faith, all voluntary worfliip is not erroneous, but onely that that is erroneous . But here wee murt thinke,that when he thus tookc ex- ception againftpromifing to God friitoloHs and foolifh\hingsyht was quite out of the remembrance of the vowcs of their religi- ous orders. Wee muft in charity bee perfwaded that hee thought notofthcm,becaulehcwbuld hauc confidcred, that in condem- ning the vowing of friublous and foblilh things, hee (hould coh- kVer.»i. ofVowes. loo^ dcmncthem, atinwhicluhcrcarcfomany fantaflicallandfriuo- loustoics, as icucliing their apparcll and other vfagc, asthatwcc may woonder that cucr lucJi drunken dcuiccs could come from io- ber men, li at kail they were fobcr that were the deuifcrs of thcm» And if he had rcincinbrcd tlicm, or when he doth remember them, .Imaruailcwhatquahficaiionordittindion hcc would hauc vied, or u ill vfc to (aluc the matter, that fo ridiculous fooleries ftiould be thcxx^tdii froperly feruirg to the fettmgfoorth cj the honour •f^cd* Albeit It may bee that tlioughbeeinglubtile and wife, hecatter- w?.rdes/>ro/<5rw4dilputcth, mthc behalfc ofthofevowcsthathec may not walke too openly, yet caryingftill a /plcne tothelciuitcs, and for their fakes to all the reft he would firlt giue vs to vndcrltand that m his mind he accountcth allthofc vowes as fupcrftitions,and whcly condemned by the lenience ot the Apoftle. VVe arc vcric ^ dcfirous to conftruc his meaning tlic bcft way, 4« W. Bishop, Nc w that I owfspjculd t'efrt ejuentedtn thefiate of the Gofpcll, tee- Jidcstheeuideme cj Satrt Paules Vtwe, * arM d$H.rj^ ether Jtic h Lk^y , /^g^ » thi:^J rrphft EC^y diaf en tii/, tnthe/e wcordesx * 'ilicy fiiall vvor-*^,, j ,^ fliippe him with facrifice and gilts, and they lliall vow vowes vnto our Lord, and pcifcrmc them, Tcvhnh xj^^tjitr Peikins /cw/w/- rah^firft^thatify/Hchcerimcmallvporfstpasthinrvas tnvfe^ the9ro- fhet doth (xpjejje the /ptrttuall yvo>Jhtppecf the new 'Itjl.mer.t, 'ihts expcfticn is vplknta'^te (. nd r.9th:ng pr^pt r : For what is more vrld and . ^hjhrdty then ( todecltirethatChtJiiAnslballmrike r.ov-yves )to fay that thejiPj^llnuiks Z^t vcesy as though one contrarte wt refute or y»ouid Jersic to exprejfe the othi r. ihisexfofition being vtry vnweitey i^/ai' ^frPcrkins ad/oyneiha/econdey that $/3 the myve TeJI/went rvehaue vovpcs vfAicr/iUand Eftangeltcall duties y bhtjm h are not anjparte cf -t.^Gcds wotjhip : Jo that fir jl yoiifhallhaue no Vc wes at, all \ Srccad/y, the , Tvinde bet' g chang. d^yo n Jhali haue tht m^but as no parts cfGcds wor- . fifip. ^s though Moral! and Euang: Ucall dnttcs vndtrtaken andperfcr- mcdto Ccdsg -eatt r glory be not the v( ryftnt tves t^ndjui fiance cfhisfer utce andvfor^ipf S ff4 R. Abbot, loio OfVmes, R«Abbot, a Aft.i8.i8. By the euidence of* S^Vauls vow, it is cuidcnt that Af. Bi/hopWAn" ted lomc difcrction, to bring that for an example of proofe, that vtrvpes are to be frequented inthefiate of the Goffeliy the fame beeing b Numb. .» b j/^^ Na^^rstes vowy according to the ceremony o^Mofes law, no more bch nging to the ftate of the Golpell, then did all the Leuiti- callpncfthoodeand facrifices, cendelcendcd vnto by the Apoftle, as M. 'Perkins before had told Jiim, and he wilcly faith nothing to the contrary jOnly for the infirmitie and weaknefle of the lewes ,<^ to c i.Cor.5. 20. vphom for the time he became as a lew,^ not hy craft ofljingy as S^^yitt' d ^Hg.tp'^fl. f 9 fiine faith, hut by affeSion ofcompa£ion, that hee might wtnne them vnto sfi^^Zmplu' Chnrt.As touching the place of Efay, it is to bee obfcrucd that M, ,ntu AffiSit*. "Perkins bnngeth it m as allcadged by them,to prooue that in exter- nalUxercifes we haue as much vfe of vowe5 as the lewes had. * The f E ay . 7.1 . £^ptfafts ( faith the Prophet,importing the like of all the Gentiles ) Jbai/k»ow the Lorde^ and p3 all doe [acrifce and oblation ^andfh all vvw vowes vnto the Lord^andperforme them. To this he anfwereth, that the Prophet according tothevfuall manner of all the Prophetes, doth by the ceremoniall'feriucc of the Leuiticall prieftoode, import the fpirituall worflrip of God,intending that bcccaufe it is fpiritual- ly meant, therefore it is mifapplycd to the eftablilhing of corporall aftd outward feruice* Now CM.Btfljops reply is like himfelfe, per- uerfeandcroflc, that the Prophet w'o^^/wr/^^, They [h ail vort>y to fignific that r/?;*?^ /&j». I anfvverhim,that neither doth M, ?rr)^«/fo intend, but that the Prophet would fignifie, that when thofc Leuiticall and ceremoniall vowes ihould ccafe, yet the Gen- tiles fhould performe to God that fpirituall worlTiippe and feruicc that was figured thereby ,and becaufe the woordes are meant of fpi- rituall duties, therefore that they are abfurdly wrefted to the main- taining of anew kinde of ceremoniall vowes. For as the Prophet faithjthat^ theyJhoHlddofacri^e ^ obLttion,8i. bringeth in the Lord f ibid. fayingjK Their burnt offerings and facrtfices /hall be accept edvpon mine g Cap.5 6.7. altar y and againe,*" The Rammes of^ebaiothjh all come vp to beaccep-^ h Cap.607. fed vpon mine altar, when yet the altar & burnt offerings and facri* fices ihould bee quite abolilhed, and therefore hee faith it onely to fighifiethacthcylhoulddoc that Ipirituall ieruice ofinwarde and fpi- OfVffwes, loi, fpirituall facnficcs that were reprcfcntcd and fhadored in thofe carnall obferuations : fo doth he fnyythzttheyfipM/dvov vnvesy whe yctchofc Leuihcall vowcs iTiould hauc an end, onely bcccaufi they fhould pcrformc to God rhofc fpirituall deuotions which were fifl- inficdby thole vowrs. Now as couching thole fpirituall deuotions Ai Tcrktyis addeth for another part of his an( wer, that the Church or the new 1 cilamcnc makcth vowcs vnto God of morall ic Euan- gelicall duties, the vow and promifc whereof fiift made in bap- ulinc, wc alwaycs renew when wc come to tiic Supper oi the Lord. But withall he faith, that vowes be alTo made of tilings and a6tion$ inditfcreriC, which things notwithftanding are not to be accounted anic parte of tlie vvorHup ofGod. Which words confilling ottwo parts feuerally applyed, A^.3//Z» confoundcth and moft lewdly & wretchedly pcrucrtcth, as liM. "Perkins had laid, that /« the ner^ Tc- ji/iment we hitue vowes 0f MoraU and Euangelicall duttes^but fuch are Mt art) parte ofGodswerihtppe, and fo with a iiarlots face not ficte to blulh, paffcLh oucr the niatter,whenasit was dircftly Jhewcd hira howc that prophecie is fulfilled in the new Tcftamcnt without anic of the (ooieries of Popifh vowes. 1 pray thee gentle Readcr,to con- fidcr the matter well. M^Vcrlztnsigixth, that wee Chriftians vowc vowes of morall and Euangehcall duties^and ifwec makeany other vowes ot tliinges indifferent, thole thinges mud not bee taken for anie parts of Gods worlhip. yj/, Bt/hop makcth him to lay, that vowcs ot morall and Euangehcall duties, and tJic duties thcirifelucs are iiopartofGodsworlhippc. Thinkc with thy fclle whatcreditc thuu niaycll giue to him , who fticketh not fo impudently to per- ucrt lo apparent and plaine woordes. But in thole vowes ohnorail and Ipirituall duties is the true performance of tlli^ prophecie, and wcmay fo much the more reft vpon it, becaulc Af. Btfhop hath no- thing to fay ^gainft it. What further belongcth tochc dcdarauon ot cliole vowes, I put it off to be handled m tiiC next Scifiioii, y* W, Bishop. ^^.linefatth M,VerkinSfthejaUcdgefor Ert'ifsg /tea// vowes: 'Vow ' vnto God and pay it. M. Perkins his an/wens, thut this bindathe It wes, he would haueyeu vnderfiandy not the C h ijlhrs , PVefay : th^t ittsno commanndemI/. Verkms dcnicth notjihac the words refpcfl both tliclcwcsandvs Wc ac- knowledge lomuch Ais'Bifljopv^c lay they concernc only thcni in i thole duties or dcuotions that were proper to thcni cndy, but linconmionthey concerneboththcmandvs J in tliolc duties and deuotions that belong to both.VVe cannot dcubt but that the Pro- phet had reference to the condition of that tune, &: did inuitc both the Priells and the people to that outward (cruicect lacrifices and ,olJcrings,inthc cxercile whereof it plcafed God m his vfifdomc I then to trainc them vp. But becaule we hcare God lo often profef- I ling, that he rclpet^ed not their naked and bare lacrifices, and fec- ming lo to reckon ot them as if he had neucr giuen comandcment ot any fuch, namely when they were dcltitute of that inward pietic and obedience & deuoticn. which God vvouldhaueto beexerci- led tliereby, therefore wc mull conceiuc that tiic Prophet 1. ere alfo looked further then to outward feruice, and in comendiug to them -thcexcrcilcesthereofjdid call them to inward affe6lions otpraifc and thankclgiuing vnto God. Seeing tiien the outward Ib'.cmnities iand ceremonies which were the cxtcrnall matter ofthe;rvo\ves, j were but inllrudlions and inducements to fpiricuall offices and du- i tics.which in the right vfe of vowes were principally vowed there- by,therefore inthelpirir.uailconQru6lion of thole ceremonies, wee are to learne what is the true and proper matter ot chriilian vowcs, And becaufc God as he is the fame God , 16 as touching fpirituall worihip, 1$ a like woriliipped from thcbegining to the ende ^wcc cannot doubt but that mthc example and prailc of the faithtullin thole times wee may behold as in a glallc, what the duties are that by their vowes are recommended vnto vs, what wee find amongft I iliem, we know the fame belogetii to vs. What we find not amogll thenijtheir vowes giuc vs no warrant or example of it. Now w hat applications «S' conliruclions they madcofthofe facnfices & offe- rings and other ceremonies which they vowed vnto God, we may fee by many phrafes «Sc fpceches which the Scriptures purpofcly vie to flievv the meaning of them. Many examples thereof wc haut- m tliePfalmcs-'^^O^^r thcfacrtjkes ofrightetiifnc^e:^ OfrvrtJ ^"^^J'^'lJ'^* h9K^mcthm.e. •' The d5(.r7. * ' tbtmkefgium^^ and he e thatf^icrtficethpraijeyhre i 8115-17 10I4 OfVcwes. facrifoei of god are a contrite jptritc y a ccntrite ar,d hoken heart. ^ LetthemofferJacrtjicesoffratfe.Z I vill offer to thee ajacrtfice ef h'ui.V. praife,^ Letmyfrayerbe inthjjightfor incenfe, and the Itftimg vp of koie.'u^ij. myhAndsaKeHcumifacrtjice, ThUb faith lenoi,^ J rvtll Jacr^e Vhf thee wUh the vojce of thmkffgj'Htng^and Ofee^ ^ We mil reside rvnt9 theethecalnesofourUfs^ Ihc VOW o'ihumhlmg cr affiiUmg thcm- fclucsby tailing, what it imported appcarcth hy Gods rcprouing IEfa.^5.5. ot the m,tor that ^ mthe day of theirf aft they fought their on-nerciUss giuingtovndcrltandjthat by their fail they were 10 bee iiillru6led to the forbearing ot their ownc defires, to the renouncing ot their owncwils,tothefubduing of their owne corrupt and euill aflFc- ftionsjtothccfchcwingotcrueltie, opprcfTion and violence, that they might make way to the workcs ohncrcie wluch God did co- maiid them,as in the Prophets words there is ihewed, ^Isnot this " *'^* ■ the f aft that ihaHechofen^toloofe the bonds cf wickcdrtcffey to take iff the heaute burdens ^ and to let the ofpreffedgofree^ and to brea'ke enery yoke? Is tt not to deah thy bread to the hungrte^ tu bringthe foore that roandreth into thy houfei&c. In briefe the Prophet Micheas iheweth vjich ■- 8 the iignificationot this hnmhlingy and of all their iacrificesj" Bee hathfhcwedthee 0 mantvhat is good y and what the Lord thy Cjtdre- c^utreth ofthee^urely to doe utdgement^nd to loue mercy ^and to hnm^ blethyfelfetoKvalke mththyGod* The vow of the Na-t^rites was tiic principall vow of all the reft. What the intention thereof was is exprcfledin thcfirlldclcriptionoftlic ceremonieofir,® tobefepa" oNu*. '.:. rated to the Lard. Now this was the common condition of all that people to be feparaied to the Lord, ns God hiinfelFe giueth thera yLeutt.io.u- to vndcrrtandj P J amthe Lordyour God, n>hnh h^uejcparatedyett 26. from other people: therefore ^allye be holy vnto nte\for I the Lordam h'/y,andlhauefeparat£dyoHf'cm othcrpeop/e that y p^onld be mine „ But God by a fpeciall vo'N oF ceremoniall obferuations,whcreby in outward thingsfor the time they were diuidcd from the common conuerlationofthemfeluesand their owne people, wouldgiuea fpe6lacle and example to the reft of them, of putting off tliofc car- nall and earthly affe6lions by which they iliould bee like to other peopleSjfor preferuing of fpirituall integiitie and holmefle towards him. And therein is exempliiicd the condition of all the faithfulljof aioh r 54<». whom ouf Sauiouf hatli told vs, that *l they are notcfthe world, bnt t t.Pet. 14. ^ ^^th chofenthem out tfthe world^ &. therefore are '^ to fie the cor- rttptiOH :j of y owes, lor^ ' rfiptir.Hthatisiyithevforld by ItiFt, and to hearken to the voice oF ) Godj' Come o:it from dmor.gthcm, *ind fep ir ate yonr /dues, fat: h the Lord, ithd touch ko vncUnne thing, and I rfillnceiucyoH. \ hcfc arc ^ "^^^ •" • ^7- thenthevo.vcs that belong to vs, vowcs ot prayer, oi- pravlcand :, thankcloiuing, ofdenyingour fclucs,of iiTortifyingoiir owiic .iffc- ( ftions, oFuicrcic and compafiion towards our brctiircn , and in a ^ woorde, ot keeping our fclucs holy vnto God ; cucn thole vow es 5 whcrcotvvcreadc many examples in the Plahnes and other Scrip- tures."^ Thou [Mefi, fcekcjemjface^ andmy heart anfvotredth.CyO '''''^' *"••• Lord,l rot life eke thyface.^^ tielpe vs O Godofourftilnaitonfor iheglo- " 1 '^ J'5- rie ofthj n^me, &€, So rvee that bee thj people andfhecpe cfthy pasinre fhaUprayfe thee for eUfr, and from generatton togenerut.'m we vctlljette forth thy ^rayfe,* Let thy hand be vpon the man of thy rti/ht hand, ti}:d Vponthejonne ofmmwhom thoft madefl Jo Jlr .ngfor thine ovpne f^lfe '. Jbwtllnot we goe backe from thee ireninethoHVS and rvee willcallvp:n thjname.y Teichm'thywayO Lord, andlwil'walk^ wthy trueth . y8:-.i.^ ^ "*■ Teach mr the rvaj of thy jiatHtes, and 1 will kjfpf ttvntotheend:gtue ^ '^■»*''*" mee vndrrfiandt -^g and I willk^epe thy laWy yea Iwi'lk^epe it with my whole heart. •* i hane fworne and I will p erf jrme it, that / willkeepc thy a v«r.io<. rtghteoHsindgements, Tims doth Ofee the Prophet inftru6t the ^to- ^\t o{Goi\,^ Fakeyjun-ford's, and ti.ycurfelHrs^ z?;;^ ^ vi.it. 16.2 4. tot.ikevpthe(roj[eof(.hrtj}thatweem.xyf:llj-n'h'm , '^ to mo^ tife tur dCol.{.5. earthly members, ^ togine ourfe.'ues vnto GodyCr our nten. b. rs as wea- ^ Rom.oi J- for.sofrighteoufnejff vnto God: ^ toojf.r onrb:.dies a ho/y, lindy and ofe agatne. 1 hcfc vowes we made Co God in our bap prolcHcthc continuing and renewing of them Froin time to time in coniining to the table of the Lord, as alio in our daily prayers nnd meditations, and in allthofe promiCes which the rcmcinbr.iiiccot our owncwaycsdrawctii from vseuery while. Ot tiicle the Prophet Efay Ipakc in the rc6lion before : oftiielc the l-'rophct Dautd iiccrc lalth,/^ OTT vnto the Lord your Cjod andperforme the f .me, all ye th t bee roHndabo-ahim.Uow then it is true that vovvcsarc to the honor and glory otGod,and tiiat wee arc to confider the dreadtull m aiellic of God, 10 16 Ofrmes. God, that wc may be moucd carefully to pcrformc the vowes that we hauc made vnco him, and that thefe vowcs are fuch as may bee mj.dc by all forts of men inhabiting the earth : and what of all this, either againft M . Verkins or againit vs ? As for S.^pJ}tfi,hec confir- nieth all that hath bene here laide of the expofition of thefe vowes, that the thmgs that we «re here willed to vow,are ' to hieeue in God^ totrpijlwhimy to line ^ good/ if e, tohopetorecciHeofhimeternallhfey and luch like as we haue feenc before* Now it is true that hec faith further, that ^ feme vow chaftitie in mariage by keeping themfelucs k Ibid.^litu vo- net cafiitatem caKii*saUm,-vt Pra '\" "'"' ' " "~ . ' ' .f , i ^ '''- *^ i ^ j tervxorc?yifnAyr> the liusband to his cwnc wire oncly, or the wire onely to her ovvne . vymournidi^tn, husbaiid I fome hdUing bcenc marticd, vow notto marrieaeaine, ex^trti tMccomu- loinc trom the bcgmning vow virginitie , lome to vie their houlcs trapAii: ahi vir^i- . . _ ,Htaur?>nb''ii>fc7r,^ the^ootc .' fome of wliich vowes WC quclticn HOC, the rcit are aftcr-J '^v^c'lI^X wardes to be confidcrcd of. But that wliich M, -BJh.p cittzh, ot his] (itam htJpititleKi imnibuifAnCiii ; IPial-jC-.i:. exhorting men not to forbeare vowing for the ncceflitie of the per- tormance thereof, but for that to truft to the hclpc of God^to proucl thathctookethofcwoidesto belong to his auditors and not onely' to tlie lewes, it is a proofe needlefle, becaule wee acknowledge io much, in fuch fort as hath beene faid before. As for that whicii he further addeth, oifettir.g comraries together, that each may more line- Ij appeare in his k*pdy it is but theliuely fetting foorth of his owne in- di(crction & ioWy, M^^erkms to fhew what may be vnderftoode by vowes.'m the place here handled alledgethafpecch of Datiidm2.{ot^ \ mcr Pfilme. ^ Thy verves are vpon ms^ O ^cd : ( that is, the vowes i which 1 haue made to thee are lying on mce to bee performed, ) 1 n^tllrer:derpratfesvntothce,\nv^h\Q\\ place we fee thacthc Prophet! cxpoundeth vowcs concerning praifes to Godjwhereupon^^Pirr- 1 ;^:ded^ /Koff^sVtyg^ 'Prayr.<:^c,to h-p.irts of Gods wor/h:p:a}:dth.it they rend vmo .iflate ef perfeEltonJVe (ayjlatlj no, h'jldxng :hAt /awfu/l vawss bceft.:,yes ' props ofGd: wjrjhip^ bntnot theworjh ppeit felfe \ thu tsLngjhice confuted ^ttt here M. l-*. ft tieth vp a ratfenproppe or twj, tn rvp'no.'d hts rjit.rous ,lfU,ildingyf.ij!r:qj%,Vauiefaithp/attilf.''Boi\\\y dbi:ctxilcproficethiixIc, • i.Tinj.4. but godlincde profit cth nwxch.f^yhercarcjof^goadjirfiyjr^ $reut hrtt cf vorreXj , loiS OfVffWes, voypesy which are formally adlions cfthe mind : rphat do yon notv about bodily (Xi'Tcifes ? Vcytes <^refrincif all farts ofthatgcdlty^efjc^vphich isfo tr'jfitable..yirtdif by bodily exercife,p.fi'trg^ay.dother corpcraU famecr Lbour be VKderJiocd, then we/ay,tkafjuch thmges cfthtntjelHis r^ould profte little ; but bcmgdireElcdto the ihaftifwg vfthercbtllious ^^^ tSu'^^€X,both which . partly conffl tn outwardly bothjpeakmg ^ doing} Andts nctfaith{which ' ts the reote of all Chrifltan Religion ) gotten hy cutwarde preaching and Bearing ? • R^Abbot. Here M.BiJhop fhewcth himfelfc againc in his right colour : for wlicrcas/I/. 'jperkins tnention'mg vcwes of thinges not commaundcd, , addcth for example, as ofmeates^ drinkesjandattire, ^c. lie in ftecd ^ 7 hereof puttcth in, asoffajitngandpr^yer^ &c. that i)C might make T 1 hisRcaderbcIeeue,that^.T^r;^/;j- affirmed prayertobee no parte ofGodsworfnip, Well,he mult keepc his vvont,ariditfiLtechwclI the caufc tliat hcc hath in hande. 1 he thing that AJ. Perkins iprO' poundcth is tliis, that lawful! voweiof chinges not commandedjare ftaycsandproppesofthe worl^ipotGod, butnotthe worHiipit fclfe. ThisA^itJhopiyithtslongJinceionfi.tedy but where iie can- not tcll.Butforproofe hereof y^/.T'^fr^wj-fiiftalledgeththewordes of S. Pauley ■* 'Bcdilj ex:rctfeprofiteth little, butged'iwQe is prof table ai^TiM. \.t. forallthinges. To thefc words <44^ Btfhop giucth an aniwer that fully confirn^.cth what M. Verkins faith. But iirft liee bceginneth merily, where areyougcod Sir ? Here M^ 'Btfhop^ what would heiwe treate hereof vcwes, laidihee, which ^.re formally anions cfthe wird-what dejoHncwabct bt}d(/yexercifiS}^Yc!LhmLM.Bi/hop,youh!iUQ told vs before ofg . odvowes , and ccnjidtrate vowes, and therefore wee pre fume pfVmes. 1019 prcfumc you allow not of all vowcSjas if a man fhuld vow tht ^ kil-"* Ef« <5.f I ng of A matiy er the cutting off of d doggesnecke. You will tell vs then, tliat good vowcs arc fuch as whereby wcc vow good things, and then wcanlwcr you, thatvowes indeed take their condiuonand q ualuie from the things thcmfelues that are vowed, and therefore that thofe oncly vowes arc the true worfliip of God whereby wee vow thofe things that belong to his true worfliip. Whence it fol- ioweth, that where bodily exercifesare vowed by which God is notworfl]ipped,thefcntcneeofthcApoftleis rightly alledged a- gainft the taking ot thofe vowes for anie worfhip of God, that b^- dUjiexercifefr*jitethUttle^hHtgodl$Mej[eisfrcfitableforallthifigs.V^c , ' fee the Apoftle fcttcth downe hodtly exercife for one thing, dcgtd- ' • iSr^r/r for another, and thereby teachethvs, that kodtljexercifehy It felfe is no part ofgcd/mrffeiand iibtdtly excercife be no part otged- tifjejfcfthcn vow fy of bodt/y exercife an be no part thcreof.lt is but acradition therefore th at //.i5?/2'(7;> faith, that vowes are frtncipAU parts of th^tgod/tKeJfe that ts Jo profit(fb/e ybtCAuCc they are no parts ohhiZgod/tKsffe but when that godlineffe it klic is the thing which we vow. But now he addeth,7^i^ bodtlj exercife faflwg and other ccrpcrallpawe orUbour be vr.dtrjtoodthcn vrefaj^ that (pich things of themfelnes vpoMld^rofite IttUibHt being dire^ed tothe thaflifir.g^ the rebellious flrjh ^ to the ende we mAj lejje offend ^ bett erf erne Go d, then they may much profit. And what is this but that that M. Ver kins, faith t\\9X.i\\c\\l\\in^i^xc Jiaycs andprrppes atidhelpes of the worfliip oi God , but in themfclues they arc no part of Gods worfliip ? The mortifying of fleflily lufts, theauoydmg of iinne, theyccldingof our obedience to God, thefe are things wherein God is worfliip. pcd . But tatting and luch other exercifes are onely htlpcs to thefe 1 ' and no part of them, and therefore the vowes thtreot (as yi/ Vcr-^ •kihsidMh) are no othcrvMic tobeereckoned,buta:prGps & flayes,) and not as partes of the worfliip ol God. Poperic liath wickedly taught men to reckon ot them as meritorious workcs and latista- ^ons for finnc,yea i»ot oncly for a mans owne finnes,but for other mens flnncs alfo. Thefe are impious and damnable conccipts, and farre from that which the Scripture hath taught vs to concciue of all outward things. But againlt that opinion of vowing futh out ward and bodily feruicc, Matter Verkins funhcr vrgcth,that the kingdome of God ilandcth not in outward things, as eatings Tct dnn- 1020 ofvmes, ^ drinking and fiich like,alluding to the \»rords of the Apoftlc, <= The ^'"- *♦■ 7' ^a^ti^fneofGodis notrmate anddrirtke^bfttrighteoiifnejfe and peace, and toy in the holy Ghefly and he that tn theje things ferneth Chrifi^ fleajeth Godayjdis approoued afallmen* The Apollle would there- by haucit vndcrftoodjtha: we are no whit the nearer to the king- dome of God by eating or not eating,by drinking or not drinking by wearing or nor wearing this or that, or by anyfuch Hke things. f/ belonging to the cxtcrnall conucrfation and life of man.By outward \ f^/«^jthenvvevnderftandnotalI things that are done outwardly, J but onelythofc things the vie whereof properly belongeth to the A outward man. The preaching and hearing of Gods wordjthe mi- 1 niftring and receiuing of the Sacraments, are things outwardly \ done, but they are things belonging not to the outward but the inward man. Af, Bijhops exception therefore as touching thcfc things is nothing to the purpofe, but the argument ftandeth good, tliatbecaufethekingdomeofGodconfifteth notinfuch outward things as belong to the outward man , therefore Popifh vowesarc ' to be condemned as fuperftitious, and as hauing no ranke in anic I true religion , whereby men make vowes of liich outward things, to become thereby the nearer to the kingdonie of God ♦ Nowc | marke gentle Readerj that as yJ/,^)r/&*?p began this Sedion with^ onely> lb he endeth it with another, that M.Perkim faith, that\ Baptifme a-zidth:; Lords Slipper are the trvo onely parts of Gods vporA, /hip amongjith: Proteftants whereas CMSPerkjns faith no other but^ thus ; We ]^aii^-6ndr tjvo cercmomes to be obfcrmd hcommtundemsfitA which ars'BaftifmjandjtheLLords Sup per, Iz is one thing to fay, c»^/^' two ceremonies another thing to {^d^y^two oncly parts ofCJods worJbip» But let M.Bifhop remember what the gaines of a Iyer is, that a man ' knowcth not how to belecue him when he fpeakech truth. 7. W. B I s H o ?. "But tt W3nld wearie a wiHing man to traile tfter all M.Perkins his impertinent errors. Let vs then at length come V'Uo the princip till point' ; incontroucr/ie.(^atho/ikes(/aith he maintains fuchvorvss to bee m^ide 04 ire not Agreeable to the rules afere^named, Thefir/l is, that ofconri- fiencie,wherby a m %n promtfeth to God to keepe chaflitie in afingle life th.attf,oHtoftheJiateofwedlocke, This ki^d of vow isfiztagainjithe word } ofvoms. ro2i wordffGod, as he faith, rvhich heprouethfirfl out */S , Paulc, If the y cannot containc, then let them marry : TruCj if i hey haue not vcrved chaftttte befercy as the ctmmon Chrtfimns of Corinth (to nhcme SamC Paule there fptaketh ) had not^ Fcrfnch^tf they came t line ethcrrvife * i Coi .7 chnjily, ituhcttcr theymarrie then bee burned, that is, dtfhdyftthin^ continencie. But to them who hadvoypedchajiitie before, S. Panic wri- teth in another fi-jle^ That if they but dcfirc to marrie, they incurrc damnation, • becaufe they hauc made ft uftrate & broken their for- , n^cr faith and promife made vi ito Gcd of their chaf.ttie, Bo that this "*"^, frj} text is a furlong wide at t he leajifrim the marks* R. Abb OT. It would wearie a man thus to trailc after an impudent and wrangling 5ophiller, vvlio doubteth not as wee fee, fo apparently and wilfully to lye, and neither vnderllandeth whatyJ^. TerktHs ■fzkh, nor what hnnfcltcfliculd fay. Wecmuftcomc novveto/^rinctpa//peiMt in coMtrouerftc, as he tcrmeth itilet vs fee how well Jic caryeth hniifelfc in the debating of it , M. ferkins allegation is,thac the Papiflcs maintainc fuch vowes asarc not agreeable to the rules before mcnticyicd, which are ncceflaric to bee obleriied in lawfull vowes. Tiic firflof thefe is their vow of Continencie, whereby a man promiicth to God tokeepcchartiticalwaycsin finglc life, that is, out of our ftarc ofwedlockc. Againfl this vow he aJledgcth firft the words of i*. ZV/z/f, ^ if thy cannot centatne, let them marrif, for ^^ »'-7.9- faith he, tt is better tj marry theyi to burne. This isthecommaundc- mcntofalmightieGod, to all to whomcthegifc of continencie is not'giacn, that tliey betake 1 1 iemfelues to manage, as to a (:^^c port and harbor, where they may be frcefrombeingtollcdand turmoi- led with the vvaues and Itormcs of incontincncie and raging lull, that lo with quiet mind 6c pure confcicnce they may Icnic God, «Sc without interruption call faithfull^'pon him. Now whathath Af. Bifhof learned out of his marvy large volumes for anfwer to this/Iiic holy Gholl faith, let them matry\ 1 r/zir/aith hc,iffheyhaue not voTved ch.fjiuie brfore^as the comcn ^hr/fitans of Corinth to who S. Par// there fpea^ethhadn t.Wl'icrc when he coflnieth the Apollles words of co moChnfiidsj^t puttcth mcin mind of the Manichecs,who wold by Ttt 2 no 1022 OfVc^es. nomcancsallowcof iiurriagc in their EUSlsy their fpcciall and choylcmen, but as for their W//^o«rj, that is, the common fort, ^ theyrfere content to yearervith them tf either they would not or could F^ftM.^Tc'.ij not Itut vnntaried. Thus would he make vs beelccue that the Apo- jddusvtjiros^^ ftic Ipakc but of the common fort , but meant not anie thing otthc Zclu'n*unus rell that were more fpeciall men, when as the Apoftle protcifeth vdmnvdenus [^y^-^.^dtc to wiice <^ t§4tllth(it Call vpcft the name vf our horde lefus uuratii. Chrtfi, and m the becgmning or that Chapter whence this alie- dCap'V'* gation is taken fayeth, '^fortheaHojding of fornication let eneriem^n hane his own e wife-, and euery woman her owne husband^ and iayeth it to them «■ that hnd written vnto him in the name of the Cliurch, who *^*'^"^' vndoubtedly were not of the common fore . But the exception which he vfeth is the verie lame as whereby the i'cnbes and Phari* lees of old deluded the commaundement of God , as our Sauiour mentioncth in the Gofpcll, and made it of no efeU, by their tradition^ fExod.jo.i*. Godfaidc, '^ Honour thy father andthy mother. True, fayd they,ex- cept hcc haue vowed or fwornc the conrrarie. Amongft fundric wickcdoathesamongefttlieIcwcs,whereby they vowed the com- mitting of lewde and damnable a^s, and then haded to the doing Pfci/, it uph. thereof that they might not be forfwornc , this ( as Thilo the Icwc jj-fcrV./xri-twrdM-ceftifieth) wasonc, that s theywoaldnotheipeordoegoodtofuchA t'til^'cfnfiTr^it o*iffo long as they liued. Amongclt manic other forties or falhiones dumnegantfehitc offwearing, /o/?/?/?;^^ giueth vsto vnderftande, that one (pecially r»svii»ken,fiao VfSiS'^ Corban, which is as much as to lay, Tythegtff* Concerning quoad vixtrtt. vvhich mancr of oath it is tliat our Sauiour Chriflc rcprooueth their Vj/i!;.T/I^«-abfurdfuperftition, where he bringeth them in faying, ' Whofeeuer ''ZtT'lZtu"' f^''^'^'*^ h*^^ ^It^^y ^f *^ nothing, bat hee thatfweareth * by the offe^ irc^fudn-diot ring (or the gift ) that is vf on it ^ he isadebtour: that is as, Hierome Z'cZ'rZZZ. ^*"^'> ^ that theymoBearneJ}/)! required to beek^p. So then if by mfiapuditdAos any occafion the fonnc had faide to his father, ^ Cer^<<»,thatis, by ^'llurVxH'TrT/a ^^^^'fii 'f^^'^** ^^^''' ^^Jf^ofite bj fHe, vnderftanding after their ma- imgua,D»nHm Tizv, then let God deftroy me, or f uch or fuch euill befall mee, hcc i ^at 1? l^. was hereby tyed, as they taugh^ that he fhould y celd no fuccour j * Iv t£ ^«p® or rehefc to the neccffitie of his father. Whatlbeucr God had com- ^ k//;/r<.». ibid, mandedjit skilled not: he had now bound himfelfe & muft ftand to HpfbAn't' ' ic,not to do that that God had required of him ; let his father beg or 1 M»th.i 5. 5. ftaruCjOr do what he would or could for him(clfc,bnt of him he mufl " "^^ ^' haue notliing. The verie like is the tradition of the Pharifces of the Romifh i of y owes. I023 Romiflifynagoguc, vvliowhcnGccl hathfaid, ^fthejcAnnotcon-' tatne let them marrte^ anlwcrccl), I3e it fb, (it they hauc not vowed m J.'«ir<'t forfachythzth jforammonChnJiMpis^ tfthej C4nn9t hue otherrvije vkitur'Lt'dL"' chajlij^ tt is beter to marrte then to be burned, th4it is^ defiledrvith m^ ""''''';^^»/<""-« continencte: leauingittobe vndcrrtood, that ror Votaries, for flich //j'«jr ri;7r,*x«», fpeciallChriltiansashcis, it is better to bee burned that Js,dcfi- ZfsllT^''/^T,r, led with incontincncie,thcn to marie. And that it may appeare monmrvitru^iu:,. .that I do not vniuftly force this confequence vpon him, Cardmall n^S'I^lJ'.foj'r,;- ftt CampeqiHS doubted not molt impudently tofay,that ^Utistigrea- «7«"'y? w-*'*"" " «- terfnnefor Prte^s to be maried,then to kecpe mAny harlots at home: prL,/nut!!^!^&t ( & in the like Ibrt Coderus the Icfuitcthat" a'TrieJi albeit he be ffuil- ^- "»^ "/"/'*•"- \ ■ e r I 1 /-I ~ ■ r • • I / " /implex lamcn<:h- i \ ''< oj great Jacrtledfe tf he commit formcatttn or keepe a, coucHbfne,yet qu» mod^ magu ' ^-finneth more ffrieuoH fly if he marne. Yea that wee may not thinke^"'*'''?'"""'''* that lome pettic tellowes onely haue lo conceiued,!gf//?g that p p/^/. i, Ugf^n filthy Friar faith the fame: ° Both are entlL to marrfe ard tSTmte, '"'^fif'f"'"""'- ctitjtttneivorjeofthetTvo isto marrie : yea fhe that martethajter a taUptnuni^mtdi (tmplf ^^ow(that isjvvhen flic hath but vndertakcn to vow, and hath {^'^S!lm'Sf/' notyetfolcmnely doneu)^^'f mfomefortjinneth more then^je that f»>-w,^«m>J;/'x' and llrangle the confcicnccs of men,as they hauc done manv tliou- ^•''^'''"" ^' fands,andby whoredome and filthineflc without rcmorle {cnt't7r,,n'u-',TcZ';m. them headlong to hell Hre. t^fj thoughyiaith Philo,to for/rve/krc (in I^^';^^""'?"""'^ fuch a cafe) for the keeping of Go As lawes, were net much better and 'Hu^ cfi n.r» lifU more acceptable to Gid. For a manaddethfinne tofm?:e rehtUfihe ab»- '"'i''-^'"" '*"""]' /eth hit oa: h, whereas hrfhould rather forbeare from euti I doing. L(t """i". naxinmfl himthereforeforbeare^andhHrnb/ymtreate Cjod that ofhrmentehe'^^l'^'^'''*"^'" will pardon the v;i:dhtf d rajhnejfe whereby hee was led headl ng to fweare : for to double the fault when thou may eft d:fburden thy jclfe cf the on: halfe^is ve rtfgre.it mudneffe , andfcarcely poffible /^ bee cured Thusfpake Vhib of thole vowes and othes whereby mcnbindc themfclues contraric to that which God hath commaundcd , and Ttt3 his 1024 ofVovpes, his wordcs ihill bcc the iuft condemnation of them , who by pre- tence of a vowc oHiumanc inrtitution and deuice, debaric jncn from doing that which God hath taught them to do, and tyc them to that vnclcanncfl'e whereby they arc lothlbme andhatctuUvnto him.Markc it I pray thee gentle Reader, that by their vow of con- tinencic,they profcfle more to renounce manage which is the or- dinance of God , then fornication and whordome which is the workeofthediueli.A man hath vowed contincncie, but yet can- not containe. Whatmuilbethcmeanestofaluethis euiii? Not manage by anicmcancs which IS the medicine that God hath ap- pointed, butadulterie, and fornication, and vnnaturali Sodomi^ cicall HlthineiTc and vncleanneflc, to which the diuell tempteth« Itisado6):rineneuerheardofinthe world, vntillby the tyrannic ofAntichrid the Church became aftyefor thefe filthie fwincthac a man ihould be taken to vow more againft manage, then againil vndeane and filthie hifl. But yet this notable hypocrite here bea- reth vs in hand, that S*?auUyiz%^\t author ot this acctiried and defperatcparadoxe.T* them{ivi^ he) th^t had viweiichapitfe be^ - fore^ Saint Vau/erprUeth tn another fly U^ that if they but dejireto tnarrie thiy incurre damnationybecaufethey hane made fruflrate and broken theirformer faith and pr ami fe made vnto God of their chajiitj. Where we muftvndcrftand, that they of whom the Apoftle there fpeakcthwerepoorewidowcs, who were to hue of the almes of the Church, and were vfed by the Church to looke to poore fickc and impotent people, and to giue fome attendance to trauellcrs and ftrangers, who were faithfuU Chriftians commingby occafion to the place where they were^to wafli their feetc,whith was a thing much done in thofe bote countreyes, and to do fucii other ncccfla- rie v(cs as might concernc them. Now becaufc they that were ma- ried could not fitly be employed to fuch fcruice^neithcr was it fittc that tlic church fhould be eucry while to fccke by their bellowing themfeluesinmariagethatdidvndertakeit, therefore they made choifc oncly of fuch who would refolue and promife not to marric againe.And that they might bee the more fitte and hkcly, both to make and keepe tliis promife, the Apollle giueth this caution; n*ifi thee^ beccaufe thtu h^si Itft ^hty x. K^t,^ j^ firfiUuc ? Kemembir frtm whence thin art f alien , and die the fir H Ttt4 T^orkesy Io26 of y owes. workes, and this faith wa$ not b rokcn by willmg to nMricy but by being bscomc proud and wmton againfi v hrtJi.LM. Bipjof then doth amilTe, to put in theirfoymcrfattb, which is of doubthill conftru- 6liori, m ftead oithsirfirfl /' ohhcir promife not to marry, yet plainely deter- mineth that the Apoftlc in thofc words fpeakcth of fthem of whomc hcc hath faidc bccfore, they mil marrie » though not as hauing yet runnv OfVcnppes. 1 027 runnc into tliofc exccflcs which he fcttcth downc. * [ wUl there fom becuufe they arevoilUng, I AlfovnilthAt the younger widowes marry .f»r T,m7tm'i^.yr,{, tt tsmnch better that thej doe [9^ then that they doc thole other thmocs 'S""" ■'}>"'* &'r' namely vowaxc wanton againltClirilt, togoe idlctronihoulcco tfio •'d»Uf*"»tlt». T'omifeJyHtbecauJetheydonotfo, tt is better th.y doe ihtts ( tomAry) °T.!t!'*H,'^^,tqls then to doe thofe other thinges. For hythism:anesGcdtsr.ot prcucked, D"fi">i,fidcmj, » t:herare thofe et:illes learned. Forthatwidowhocd brtngnhfscrth t.o 'li'^!iu nH'f'^ goody btit of miruge many gcodthirjges proceeds, Andthisfveciiilljfor '"'^'^'fl'l^*fi"i that th.rebya remedy ts proutded againfl their m gbgence ar.d care/ejfe ^-f^ Dnu'trr'ut^ mt^dr, beecanfethej k»o-sv themfehc t to bee fttbu i.i to their hnsbands » '^'^f^"fl* d r \!!od'^l'f'^"^,\ *ntm» vppe and downe to othc rfolkes houfes, and turne to trilies and tdlenefje. ' ^"/"'^ ^ Thus ^mbrofe alfo laith : ^ 'Beecauje thofe contrary and z nlaT^fnll 7uTv',mJ}}!^'Z things which hee hath fpok^noffuch yvidovfcs^fljall bring them to death u^;""'"'"" therefore he gi'Aeth coHYifell^ and chargeth that thofe thirges bee done Tm^'lz-.'^.M^l nvhtch are lawfull , For tt is better that they tahe ch.^roe of their owne '"'^"^ '?""^"" hoHfe\ then to vfe jUtterie in the houfes of ether s^ Mere expedient is '* ip'^iontm it to marrie, then vnder a good and godly prof ejjion to walkefo as to bee 'mZ2"L'ra"r fubie^l topublike note. Nowc then liM. E'fhop will not bciccue vs, f"^ '"nn^pit^ ycthc wiilnotgaincraytiicaflcrtionofthcfc auncicnt father?, that ZrTc'I/,'-!!!^ the Aportlchccrcfor auoiding thofe mifchictcs and inconucnicn- ""^"■"ruf.im,- ccstiiathcfpcakcthof, giucth hbcrtic ot marriage to them who [''r^iul'TLm* notwithftandmg had bene rccciued into the number of CWc^jvi- '"•'•« f^-"', ^ dowes, with protelTion and promifc not to marry any more. Yea, 't ''i^'""^"' and that it may yet further appearcj howfarrethcauncicntChi:rth r,^^*"^'^/' was from the be.iftly and lewd conceipt of Romilli hypocrites bee- ^"!»'/Pm'!iZ. foreexpredcd, C7/>rw«fpeaking of virgins which had vowed vir- ''^',^'^"{2'/' ginitic, laiththus : «* If^by their fa$th they haue dedicated them- tr>.i>c'uf,rdmr,t t.u Atlmcrtitm,id' CTctctifitimtrndat &pr4ctpit i»fitri(^n* I c^Ufmnt. Uilim tji tnim dtmuj fMAiurdm ^,Tert,t]mam /a Alitnd itimt tdu^ti. El mtttlmm txf.dit UHbere,^itiimfuhbor.* & p.aprtfcijitntiietab li'tr wctdcri- d O/TWi/ii. (.»/!>/? r I Si fe ex fid* ChrijU d c»i$iTnnt,fudict & cafii fiit vlta''^uUprr "ettrtnt : itafirU i i- flt- ytUipydrmittnviT^imtAtutxpia,nt,Si*mUmfirfimfT*rt niimit vtl ntn f»Jt4nl,mi m tji U amtdtit auAm vi viu., ntf fnudel'ctii CAdtn.t. feUus loiS OfVcwes. fe 'ftffs to Chrijie, let them continue purely and chaflly without Afff emi revert \fo let themfirmelj andjiedfaftly Uokefor the rerrarde of Virgin nitie. But tfthey wtllnot or cannot perfenere.^ it is better that they ma- tte^ then that by their veantonntj^e ihejfallir,to the fire. Uit, Bip^ops maillcr BclUrminet bccing pitifully diftrcflcd with this tcftimonic, that hee might iindc a wayandincancscoan(wcrit,trcachcrouil]r fuppreflcththcfirftpartofthcfentcncc, SL^itU that Cyprian /pa(e lib olcirdL-rhcr »9t ofthofe' whtch hadvofved continencie, but of them who were yet in *»ln If *^ ^"w '"" ^'l*^^^'^^^^ ^hat to defy whereas the very words of Cyprian^ as wc ij** caatheitiam fcc, do mciition th cm who by their faith haue dedicated themfeluct to T'Xdh^ctu- ^f^^'ifi' Of virgins already vowed,i',e^/^.5i/&»/»i,anrwer. a i.Tim4. '. J. The Apoftle reckoneth it for one of* the doBrines ofdtuels to forbid temarrie. M*'BiJhopSJ:\['Wcrcth, TrtithifenepJtuldhcldntariagein it felfe -wkkedy and thereftre cotidemne it in all forts efperfons oi Montanu$4»^r/??(f Manichces<^i<^. Butifhc had vnderltood what he had faid, he would not here hauc mmcAMontunus '^ for Mi^n-^ tanas in this point was outright a Papift,and condemned the Mar«- cionites and Manichces for that opinion, with which AI, 'Btjhop^ hercchargeth him. ^eitm,ifs canfftnditi deth'f OfVoWfS. lo^I ceedeth : the$ne dejirojeth Godfromhein^ the Muthoref marriage : the other fhameth him. Anonc after he faith, that 'the/rVarac/etus did ,n,dchnftmm tej}:fif (^hriji ^:cc.jrd$ngtothefaithi with the whole order or orJwdiKce ''"'"'"'*""^*' of the Creator. In the fame place hcc alledgeth their Ibundncllc in crrj!mJclm7,i, the rule of faith, namely that which (ummanly wee profcllcin the '"■^"""'"'♦'^'*• artlclesofourCrccde, asan argument that thole things which tiiey taught were not of the cuiU fpirit, ^ who wonldfir^ hiue corrupted ^ ^y^ ^^^ ^^ . them w faith , and then haui peruerted them tn erder of conuerfatton ^ fp:ritM ,x diutr whereas »ow thetr integr'ttj/ Mpreaching(^the fnth ) d:dgiue afurance ^'''I'll^^^'^l^^^^ or warrant for them, ^.^iman^ faith hee, mtt[} firjl be an herettke con- Z" '*"""^i*^"r*nt cerntng God^andthen astoHchtnginJlttutionof hJoantottr , but Monta-\,/^itfra!,tdif(i''* nns thetr 'ParaLletH> was^^shti^xih^an luflru^lo itr or teacher ( notoff'"''>'^^''^'"» . any new faith but) of new order and conuerfatton , to which purpofc t'Jpr4dult7,'ul* he laith in another place, hauinefct downe a briefe ofthe articles ^'Y*"'"?""/' of our bcliefe, i Thtt law ( or rnle) offatth abtdtng^ ether matters ofmctjft'tftjunc d* difcipline and conuerfatton do admit newneffe cfcorre^lton, and makcth '"^.'lllZ'ntt'/dtii the end ofthe fending of their Varaclitas to be this, that difctpline cipimMwftuHttr, or conHerJationmight be brought to perfe^ion.Adontanns tiicn denycd tTotui.dtvtlid not mariagc according to the rule of faith, to bee Gods inftitution, vir^^.H^c Uie butprofcUeth of their cfintinencie that it^ honoured theUweofmari-,,'lZmd'fctfiinm age, and therefore L^.Bt(hop did him great wrong to couple him in ^ <:o»utrf*t,»nM that fort with the Manichees, whowholy blalphcmcd mariagc as i',^^""^"'^-,''' vnclcane,and hauing orieinall from the deuill and power of darke- irc.fr,fttrt» ncHe. But yet hcc will lay that ^(7«r4«;/j taught lomewpatagai nit vtadpirfiaum mariagc, and wc acknowledge the fame, yet not as to condemnc ^''^'^'^^^^'""' mariagc, but ' topreferre conttnencte,^ Tertft/Uanlaizh.lt is true that hij,m dtMer,,^. albeit he acknowledged manage to be Gods inftitution, yet he held 'ij-^lZnlp',',^' the liberty thereof to be permitted but oncly once, and that cnccto r*.-. /;. ..r-r be vccldcd oncly t§the$nfitmttte ofthe fejh , cucn as L^l.Bt^op faid j/.t'lil'lr/!;.* before, that to common Chnjiians the Jipefttefaid, If they cannot ab-f-''-'<M/antt,.,„r,„,^ y^alkeaccordtngtotheholpejfeoftheflefhy which they decn-icdone;''^/;^ J'^^^'^'- fpeciall way CO confift cither in not marying at alitor marying butr-r4w.» -i/« once : in opmioii whereof, and fome other pomtcs of conucrlation ^l^l'^'f^^^^^'l; 1 D, M»n*i Sicnnditm [MBuMtm mrnis *djnnituf inttdtri. accoun- I0 52 of y ewes. b-dKos -10' zccommngthem ohhc Chmch^tjotfirali 4ttA carrt^U men ^ asbce- pniuaiamVrr.i fore was laid, they called themleliics^/r/r«4//, and in that relpcft dxifaa.tntip-.rnrt brought in bv Onsen as faying : " Come not to mce, for i am pure n on'jn .a\u'A ^yjci holy ipr I take no rs'tje^ neuher ty my throdte an openjefulcher, (as /'r'^pl^'^r ic were co feed and eate i recly as thole men do) hnt I am a Naz^rite d^eentcs.Non^cce- ofQo^y forbearing to drir.keTvineasthe'N.aK^ritesdtd* Thus then t;£;;l"rr howroeucrtheylicldGodtobec the author of manage, and the li- trnmaccifiiovxi, Jjerty thercofto haue beHeformcrly permitted oncc and morc tlicii \Zum\AuT^*t. once, yet now they taught,that they were called to a greater cxqui- tK.rr»ettT»ftdihm {^tncflc and peifcftion of conucrfation , andthcrcfoie wereeither ^Lnivmumfiutt pattcly Or wholy to torbearc. Hcereby tlien )t appcarcth, that the & ill'. Montanifts and the Manichccs arc to be fcuered one from another and if the Apoftlcs words do condemne them both , then Ol^. Bi- /&o;?janfwerisvnlufficient, becau(c they were not both guiltic of tlut which he faith the Apoftle there intcnded.Let Iiim tell vs :doth the Apoille by thole words condemne them both or not ? If hee fay yea, as he mull, then we infcrre,tJiat the Apoftlc tb.en did notTpeak cnely olthem who "held mariage toheeathi>:'g wicked i» it /c/fe, bc- caufc the Montanifts did not thinke fo. (Jl'f.Bifhops anlwer therforc mufthaucafupply, & that fiipplymuft bring forth the Montanifts " and the Papiftcs within the compafleofthcApoftleswordes* The Apoftlehimfclfe giueth vsthatlupply when he faith, that thofey^/- rtts of error of which he fpeaketh, ihill/peaks l^es tK hypocrijie. They then of whom the Apoftle fpcalceth, lliall tn hyp o cr'i fie forbid to tnar- rie. And "what is it to (ay in hypocrtfie ? ^S'urcly, to ior bid mariagc in hypocrifjcy is to forbid icvnder colour of pumcie and hohncfle, and more then ordinary perfection. Tlic Manicliees did forbid marry- agc, but they forbad it not in hypocrtjle , but by openand profelled blalphemic ; neither did they lo much forbid it, as blafpliem.c and condemne it, A man may forbid that which notvvithftanding in it felfe he thinkcth la\vluU enough, but £l>c,y vrholy condemnedma- risgc, as of it fclfc wicked and d^miiablir,. and without any forbid- ding to bee abfolutcly detefted. The ApolUes caueat was not fo greatly ntcdfullagainfttliem or iiich other as they were, beccaufc their abhominableblafphemie did apparently bewray it (elfc, and was eafily to be diicerncd : but the greater daunger was to come by them who in hy poci ifie (Iiould teach thele doftrincs of deuils, that is, with fairc ihcwcs and goodly pretences, and infinuations which might '! OfVowfi. lo^3 I; might blind the eyes ofthcm that were not icalous and fufpitious II thereof, and thcrctbre of thcfcfpccially hec giueth admonition to ! the Church.Thus did the Montanilts difallovv of niariagc not as of i euill inftitutionjbut onely as a more prophanc and carnall lUcc,fit- ; tingforvulgarandcomonChrillians, butnotfowell forcing, Ipc- cially fccond mariagc,vvich that emincncy ofpuricy and pcrtcdtion whenco their Pe a great/acramc>it,^nd lomcof thcmabfurd- ly and ridiculoully make tlie carnall coniun6tion of maricd pcrlons the confummation ot that facrament,whc not wiciillanding in that facramentand confummation of the facramcn: they affirmethac, impurity and pollution as cannot Itand wicli their facramcnt of or- ders, yW^r/^^^ ({^\lh BclUrmmeY hmdreth the office' officrificing, ''J/!l[iu,lZ\: bccAnfe therein ts r e quire dan eminent fur it ie andho/t'ujfeywhertas m ».Hirrp,dinnHnm the aEl of manage there ts mingled an imfuritie ^ pel/utien. 1 hus Co- fJmmaL'Md!!^ ficriis (aith,P/^/» the tldUrv it tvere not lawf fill for them that were pel- P""^^ &f*nihtM lutedwiththe vncleAyinejjeoftheflefJjyeitherto eate thefjew bready or Ifl"'^'^""^' "'' '" T» virocortiuint to handle holy things or to enter into the temple ^ much led'e doth the ad- "^s^rmonpttdf, ■ -n ■ r r II I I I r , ?'"" "dr'tixtafit mtnt\m}gofotrdcfotheys,i husihcCc beaftly Friars meal ure the ordinance '^z^" '•"/""'" *'^ ofGod.by the filth and corruption of their ovvnc wicked hearts, |'"7/X/S'w and inhypocrihedeprauethatlfatcotlifeas voidecf grauicie,and"" ccMrmtj^cr*. modcrtie,and maicltiej and as if there were nothing therein but lufl ["dm"' /rlu^qui andftfi'ig by a wcmtin^and attending to ^rr,whcrein notwithllandmg ^•v<"-"<* f-^'^i'i>*~ the holy Fathers, the Patriarchs,the Prophets, Pridts, Nazaritts, vlS'li^c.&ttik abd Aportlcs fcruedGod;yeaandwhenthelclucsforciic molt part so-i^ui^UrMr I4it.u fliKtt rilt- mir.(c^iti >Aithrcul* fcmptr iijfidtal t'dim^^ vat:t,qitiali!/idt »mnu mtriictmptff.oi J(//L/»i;/, mmtifj, *dit tr^uim h»~ miiumrtddit facer ditum ptrreifl fAnii* mflitMc graHtme^»*ndapt f^* If- /•/** i>umjliHb. arcllkc theManichces,dctcftingmariagc,andyctq neighir.^ like fed UmuU c^"{ liVi jjoyCfj at euen yffman that paffeth hy, wtthjuch immodefi And wanton u,us nifao q«« t^hautofiryOS pajjeth the vnchasitty and imfudencte ojbtije And common uZTui^lTdhrl^rc rafiais; fome prccy tokens whereof the Reader may find in the fto- tfsvtorytuum tr:-fic oi\j\Jc^on and his fcUowcs, calling out the diucUfrom Saka u^Z'^H^fi^i ff //Arfw/ and her fifter.They vow againil manage astoo prophanc juperarent. and vnholy ft ftate,but thcy VOW not sgainft adultery, tomication, ] ^f!}Tfap[>."obu-iJ^<^^^X^odomy,a^iM the horrible vndeanncflc oi" vicious bur- ut m^nd^: g^< mng luftj thcy vow not againft gluttony, drunkenncfle, Simony, *«f wJ//»r'5/r«" pcriuric, robberyjthefc things being of the diucll hinder not, but ta wq^.narifottB ^^^^ jj^^y j^^y facrihce^becaulc their ^ facrtfiteis/b cleAne^ as that it fhiudeip.sicjuu cannot be defiled rvtth any tndtgmty or eutUoi them that ojfer if jonly in '&7^nfiutJ^ieZ' ^^^riage being the infticutio of God,there is that impurtty ^pollHtio cbrijtttm, orrup. as by no means may ftad with the grauity & maiefty of their prieft 'ZZ^ZT^^y funaion.But to them belongeth that oi Ignatius:^ if any man pro- iegttima!» comixti.fgjjc one Qod and conjejfele/us (^hri/i^^^" doe ca// the /awftt// comun^i- IrlTr^fli^ncmJ" onofmmAndvfoman^and the procreation of children a corruption or im-ufmoiit hub. ttt defUemetitythefame hath the apojiattcall dragon dwelling in him. Now clntmlp^^ts^m.' thctt of fuch ipirits the Apoftle fpeaketh, as wherewith the Romifli ^c^"'o'> -^■^'!^<:''T' ^oduint isnowin{pired,not direilly condemning the inftitution prJbyt7rptcp''r,a!n ofmariagc, but by obliquity of words impeaching & dilgracingit ■viorcm nc^H^^ua ^g [qq j^j^fg ^ ynfitting for thc eminent purity di. hohncfle of fomc Mtytetureltgtanti ^ .i-ni»ii--- *^i 11 *biictAx.stvno lorts or men. And againltfuch fpirits was that Canon made, that "^^unhltur'ftZ'r g°^^'^ ^^^^ °^^^' vndcr thf name of the A poftle s j ' Let not a Bijhtp fcueratterit d'yciM. or A T^ricfl pfit awdy his wife vndcr pretence ofreli^on', ifheejo do^ let v^ctncil Gan rinr.^*^ ^' excommHnicAted',AndifhepcrfeH:rc let him bedepoffd. So did ca.^.siijuu d:fu r.xhc ecu nccl o^Gangra decree;" if any man make difference of a maried tiI'l^JiTJ!,^u2p^''fi^'^^ 'fh reAf6ofhis manage hefhnldnot mmjicr,^ doththerfore •ccafitnet.Mpxttrii withhold himfelfe from hts miniflrattonyaccstr/ed be he. This did Pope d!beatf^Z "11 Hildebrad that firebrand of hell, who * /) «r away maried Triefisfrom tbUtiom idchfe ab doing dminefeTHice^Andforbadto beprefcnt at their feruice^Sz. in thofc ■'xS^rptw/^w ftcpsthe Church of Rome (till walkcth, & hath the farhccurfc ftill maw.r»«g.Pr«i lying vpon her till this day. By this appearcth how farre it is from idmiZum»Hit trutli, which M. Bijhop^ faith that they hane a reuerend optnion cfriik- i&VriaHd' ^'''i'jwhen in effe6l they iudge no othcrwife thereof the thc Mon- inndixitnout "^' tanifts did, nor any otherwifcatall, butonclv that they appropri- t,x,mpio,^c, jtg their opinion to fomc forts of men, wnercas thc Montanifts deemed ^ecmcd alike concerning all. As for that which hee Taith , chat tht Vrotejiar.ts holdnuria^e to be a moral contraSi onhyhc fpcakcth it but according to the skil that he hatli in the Protcltants do6trin, vvluch is very lutlc or none at all, but what his maimers haue reported of them. The Protcftants teach as God hunfclfc hath taught,that ma- riagc IS y the souetJdHt ojGod^ and that they who are ioyncd in lawfulJJ Ma^^ia.? manage,^ are ioyned bj God^uid therefore that it is more then a mo- rall, that is^a ciuil and humane contra6^,He gceth on,and tcUcth vs what the cauie is why their votaries may not marry, not becMufe ma- rtdge is not honorable^ faitli he, but becatife they hauefclemnlyfromi/ed to God the contrary. But therein he lieth vnto God , and talketh dif- fcmblingly, becaufe albeit they are content to fay indefinitely that mariage IS honorable, yet denicit to bee honorable in fome ftates of men, and doc therefore bind them from it by vow,bcCaufe they hold it dillionorable for them. It is not as hee fraudulently fayth, tliat thcretore they may not marric becaufe they haue vowed the contrary, but therefore they make them vow, becaufe they hold tliat in that ftate of lite they may not marry, yea do hold it for a poL lutionand vncleanncllc' in them. Whereas he faith, that invomng Againfl mtituige a man doth better then if he hadmarted : how true it is, appeareth commonly by thecffcfts. To vow againft the ordinance otGodwhich heehath appointed for an infinuitie which cannot beauoided,whatisitbut:obidbattelltoGod,and madly to fight againll him. God hath fayd, if they cannot abjlainejet thtm marry, to vow againft that that God hath fayd, that though hee cannot containe, yet he will not marry ,is to finne defperatcly againft God. As for tiiat w Inch hee allcdgeth for his purpofc out of ^ujimixi be- longcth not thereto, ^uftine fpeaketh nothing there of vowing, neither doih he fo fully and per^cftly there tellvs the meaning of dieapoftlcs words, becaufe hee examincth not the circumftances of them. He accountethvirginiticand contincncieoffinglc life, a ^upcnour good to mariage, and wedenicitnot,as hath been' be-jAnf^ertoih« •fore faid a^ touching pretcrment and priority of gift.but excellency 'ipifti«ii"«*^. ot^itts is a matter of cxternallpreheminence and preferment with men,notof intcrnallrightcoulncflctowarJsGodjneilhcr is a man the better for the hauing, but only for the well vfing of them. Saint »/i?*/?i*neucr thought that either virginiticortlie vow of virginitic was acceptably to Godforitfclfe,and howfocucrwecaccnrd not Vvv whh loi6 OfVirwes, with hitnaf touching the vowing thereof, yet vnderftanding vir- ginitic and tingle h(e with that iniphcation as heedoth, as hauing morecommodioufnefreandoportuninctorerucGod, and being vfcd accordingly, there fhalbc fmall difference betwixt him and vs, and this will be nothing for ^, i?//Z'0|^j turne , bccaufe this prefer- ment is onely accidental! by confcquence and vfe , not ellcntially belonging to virginitiefor it felfe, p. W. BiSHQP, M.Perkins his third andUfl text isy * Mariage ishonorable among alljand the bed vndefiled. Thejirengthofthis place lieth in a double corruption ofthftext :for this verbe{is)is not in the text^nor cannot bee the eourfe of the yipofilesjpeecb, reqtitrixg a verbc of the ImfernttHe fHoode, as both thefentences before and after do connince, .AgaincytfyoHvillhaue the KApoJilefay y that mariage is honorable amongallmen^T^eemptfialfoneedstakehimtofay^that the bed is 4lfo vndefiled amongall, which was not true. xAlfo that their conuerfatiott was without coHetoHjneffe^^c.For there is no reafon why this word ( is ) fhouldbee iojnedwith the one morethen.with the other, ,And nothing bntpaffton doth canfe them to make the mtddle fentenct an affirmattHC, when they turne both the other ipto exhortations, Thefecondcorrti^tton is in theje words ( among all )when they fhould tranflate ( in all, ) and the ^dieUine beeingpnt without a Subflantine mu^ in true co?iftruiiion haue this word (thing%) toyued wtthit, and not (men: )wheref ere the text beingjinccreiy put into Englt(h^ it woulde carry no colour of their err or, Tor the Apofilesfaytng ij-jLet mariage be honorable in all things, and the bed vndefiled. Here is no willing of any man to marry ^bnt onely a commaundement to them that be married to line honejily m marriage^ to kespe ( as elfewhere be faith) thetr vejfels infanBtficatioKyandnot indi^ottory and thenjhalltheir mariage be ho' norabte in all things^thatiSiinallpomts appertaining to matrimonie ;/» that nowyoujee that M.Perkins is not abU to bring any one place out 9f Scripture to difpntte the vow ofchajiitit, i4 eUubie corruption^ fayth MBiJhop , atid ^et there is ney ther of tlico^ of y ewes. Ioj7 them to be fccne and vnleffc we wll take his fimplc word,hec iiable Co prouc noncFirft he blamcth vs for faying, /^4r/4|j^ ishonorakU telling vs that we lhouldrathcrfay,Lr/w4ri4f#^rtf honorable, and fecthnocinthcmcanctimc that our tranllation is implied in hif ownc:forwhy /huldthe Apoftle i'iy tLrt mortage bee honorab/irybut becaufeitiilbjasifhefhouldfayjetit bee lb reconcd of as it is, a thing honorable amonglt alKBut without any iiiiplicatio the latter part ofthefentence being affirmatiuc, fhcweth that the Apoftle meant to fpeakc affirmatiucly in the former alfo. In this fort i'.^«- , 7?mJc/jf0rjofjgweftyiffit hcHfiia^/efcr a/l^thcv^hv^iihiW hec ex- ,',1^,1"/^,'^*/," pound thole words ifiM/i^ as importing " euerjf vaj^ffdnt tiUtimet. *riktu n:,-u,,(»n^ But MjBtJhcp bf ingcih vs to the Grammarjand teJIcth vs, that the "lllT^frtdmlT ndteUme beingfutwithout M/nhfiantine^mftJiintrtfe (tnJirtMun hane d^»idic,MM[,d thtJ7verd(thngs)toyy:edyki:hitt Full wifely,! warrantycu, and with J;!^,",.''*' flreat $kill:as thcueh whcrcthc Apoftle laith/v'x iv;raajv S vvaoij, " f''' "»•"•'"'«» wee arc not to tranllate, thtre ts not kncif ledge mall men, or aU men tncHu,&quntM haue not krtowlc dge^ but rather there is n»t ktifiwUiige in a II things , be- q?''^*; j-_ caufc the adie6iiuc is there put without a fubftantiuc ; and where the Apoftle faith,° «' }af Tiunuy h ^i^tg^ wc fhould not fay all men, « i.TMlji. but a/l things h/fue nttfaitk :and where he fay th, ? iSiii JacxoKivTi- pi.Tiia.i.f Xt/lpov vTiifTianuy-, wee fhould not tranllate ythoganehimjetfe a tt" dtmftionforallmenyhmjerallthmgs, bccaule mthefc places the adie6liue is put without the f ubftantiue , as in infinite other places It isjwhere notwithftanding it muil neceifarily bee vnderftcod tioioi all thtrgs hnitfallmtn* Itisnot»4^tf«then,ashe obicftcth tovs,butplainefrcnzie,asitfecmeth, tnatmakethhimtovlc thefe blind and ignorant cauiilations, and the places of Scripture which C^/.?^rr/^w^hathalledgcd acainfl their vow of contincncie, flandc fliU firmc and furc for ought that he hath beene able to fay againft them* 1 o. W. Bishop. The Scripture being fo hdrren for htm,he fidU belike rectmpence it with the abundant tefttmonie cfantiquttie mfduour cf hts caufe \ but §b vr.bappte chance, hec hath cleaneforgetten in this ^nejfion the record of the auncienL Church'.what, was there not one Fathi r, who withf me we brokenfragment ofafcntenceorothir, wcuidereletne jcu in this jour combat againji the Few ofChaflitte ? / willhclfe jou to one, but I feare me,joM willfatrcc thanke meefcrmjpaines : tt tsjuch a §re,^s ts ZJvv 3 neither nejther holy ntr father yttHt the ^nnctent Chrijiian Epicure louinian, » »jt<»,4/S.Auguftinc hath recorded* and S,lcrome* ^d$d ho/4 that vir "^tdvHit *' f '"^ f*^ ofprofejjedperfoHS/nen and women, rvas no better then the con* *Lib.i etntrd finencte of ths married. So that many profejfed virgins heleening htm '**"'' did marry, yet himfelfe did not marry, as Fner Luther did : net hecattfe he thought cbajiitie Jhould be rewarded in the life t» come, with a grea - ter crowne of glory : butbecaufe^wasfitfortheprefentneceffny^ to a- fioyd the troubles of marriage :fee iuji the very opinion ofM* Perkins afjd our Vrotefiants* 'But this herejy, faith S; Auguftin tn the fame place wasqutcklyfHppre^edandextingutJhcdjftwasnotable to deceine any * I'K i-rttnc. ii e„f eft he 7nefis , ^»^ /« another place thus * hefpeaketh «/ louinian. Holy Church moft »aithfully and valiantly rcfiftcd this raonfter. So that no maruellifthat M. Perkins couU^ndefmallreleefe in anti^uitie for this hts ajfertton,whichthe befiofthem ejieemed no better then a mpnfirousfacrilegioutherefe, , R, Abbot How fimply M, Bifhop hath dcaltin the anfwcring of the Scrip- tures allcdgcd againft liira, we hauc very well fecne already, and it hath been made appeare to him that wc want not teftimony of an- liquideforthcapplyrngthercofinfuchlbrtaswcdoe,* Albeit wee freely (ay to him, that our faith rcftcth entirely vppon the word of God;and where God hath fpokcn plainly to vs,wc will not fulpend ourafl'cntvponqucftion, whether men thinkc the fame that God hath told vs. If men haue giucn tcftimonic thereof, we take tlicir witnclTe and vfc it : if not, wc fay as m another cafe Cyprian doth ; a<^7/^r.li&.l.ff•J ^}Veearenottolookeferthetefii?noniesofminy where we haue war- w.«/»'"f/"- rant already from God himfefe^ and with the Apoftlc Saint VanL kum»M, tUm D Let God b: true, andeuery man a lyar. In the meanc time we do but ^Mrtil '^"'*'"* ^"ff^'' ^-^' ^^M '^^" ^° ^&° ^% ^f''°^' ^^ thefiockesfor correaio^,not iRom. }.4. imaginmg whither he goeth,and like the poore fifh to dally & play c Prou 7.: ». ^•j.j^ jjjg ^^jjg wherein hec rcceiucth his ownc banc* Hcc (porteth himfelfe with /«^/»i4ff3 and inthecau(cof /^/»;»MMWcbring not d broken fragment of a fentence of Jontefather^hutin A maoner a whole Church^and no meanc Church, but cuen the Church of Komc,dc- fcnding and maintainmg that virginitte, ofprofe.Jfrdperfon/ifno bet' ter (with God) then the continencie of the married. The old Church of Rome ofvmes. ro4i Rome condemned the do£trine o^i^entdntts, which was the fame in tftc^ as before I hauc faid, that the Church of Rcmc now main- taincch. I he old Church of Rome vphelJ the do6^rmeof Itf^mM/t, which was the fame that wee nowc defend againft the Church of Rome. 1 his matter ( gentle Reader) hath bene declared beefore at large '^ in the anfwer to ^,5//2'<>/?jEpiftIe, and tliithcr I refer thee d$#a.f. for the full vnderftanding of it. Here I will oncly briefly remember thee, x\\dX.%hedo^nncotHicrome againft loftinUn found gcnerall oppofition in the Romane Church, and howc fcandaloully and of- fenfiuely it was taken, his owne words may giuc vs to vnderftand, when in his apologic he faith, « Agreatojfcuce^ the Churches are o- tHi*r>»^pti*g. uerthmfHCy the world cannot tihide te hettre it th^t 1 haftejaide , that /"'••l''' *^'*^: '* ' virginitie ii more fure (or hcly)ther. marriage It was no liiiall mat- r^^JjIII^/lyinT ter tliat made him thus to fpeakc; to hold that virgimti: is mere h»N '«''>.•'*• -*'• then marriage, was then taken to bee a doCtiine pernicious to the iimtAumd.xmm Church, and the world could not brook the heanne ofit.Somc pri- 'JJ'"*^'^'*'"* - 11-11 • r- I • * -I q"*"* —'f'^ uate perlons were inianglcd with the conceit ot it, but it was moft hairioully taken when it came pubhkly to Sec defended. And albeit StriciHs tiien Bifliop of Rome, a fuperilitious & vnlearned man,thc firft for ought appeareth that fought to giue way in the Church of Rome to tlic dregs ind filth oiO\^.or.tanusy whicii that Church had before condemned, albeit 1 fay thisjlr/rw/withfomcfewofhis owne packe haddc giucn (cntencc againft /ci^wmw, yet fo little did hisfentcnceauaile with the reft of the Clergie, zstlut Hie rcmc found himfelfe much aggrieued at their taking parte againft him* His words arc plame, ^ Though fecular men thinks mush that thej are fibid.fmbinitUM fHt in lower flace ihenvtrgineiy yet 1 maruellthat Frit (is and Adcnkfs J,'.*l'„''/,M"'«r . and continent perfons do not commend that vhich th:j do Thej contame rtgradmfe fjft themfeluesfro their wines thh they m.^j imitate the chaftitte of virgins, Z't7rd',fTc'i& and Tvilthey haue tt that marriedwomen are the fame th.it virgir.s are ? ""-'Wo; ""^ ncd not what he defircd . flicrefore M.Terkins very well obfcrueth l',',;"^ J*'"^*" that there are twofortes of the gittcs of God, fome common to all, ' ».Cor.i ».s ind therefore neceflary becaufe he hath determined not to bring v s to (aluation without them, as are repentance, faith, forgiuencflcof fins,fanftification of the Ipirit, which as God firft giueth,fo to our faithf uU prayers he yeeldeth the incrcafe thereof. Other gittcs there arc which God hath intended to bee proper and peculiar to feme, and whereof hec maketh not others partakers, beecaufethe w.int thereof is no hindcrance to their fal nation, as arc the gifts of toongs, ofhealing, ofknowledgc, of wifedome, ofvtterance, and fuch like. Ofthisfortisthegifte of continencic, which beccaufc it is not ne- ceflary for faluation, we can no more prefumc to obtaine by fafting and prayer, then wc can any ofthofe other.or hcalth,wcalth,prcfcr- ment, or any fuch outward and temporall bencfitc. We may allay & vfc the meanes to fee what God will do, but we hauc no promifc whereupon wc may certainly rcfoluc our felucs for liicccflc therein. lo44 Of y owes. As therefore Co vow the vfc of chofc other gifts when a mannc hath them not, onely vpon prefuraption by prayer and falting to obtain thcmj is the part of abrainfickc and dillcnipered man, cuen fo isic foramantovowcontincncic, nochauin^rccciucd bucprcfuming- after wardcs by faiting and prayer to obtamc the gift whereby hec fhould containc. But where M. T^erkins anfwcrcth that the gift of -continencic cannot be prefumed of by prayer and fafting bccaufc ic is not ncceffary to faluation, M,Sifiop replieth, th^t if is rjecejfaryftr all them that haue vowed chafittie. And why fo?For cthervi/e they can not keepe their vowes^bitt to thec^piortoHrofQod and their e-i*ne eL^Tn* natioy^pjould bnaks them, Wlicre wee fee that UH.Verkim vndcr- ; Ilandcthwr<'j(7dryinonerefpeft,andAf.5;/&ff;?in another. Mafter T^erkins intendeth,that prayer and fafting do not ccrtaincly obtainc anything, but what in it felfe and (imply is necefl'ary tolaluation* M.BiJhop will haue vs thinke that it obtaincth certainly whatfoeuer ; is ncccflary in refpe6t of a vow for the performance thereof, But ^ bccaufe that which M, T*erki»s faich i s true, therefore that which M/Bijhop faith is fallc, neither may we imagine by prayer & fafting to fubic6t the gifts of God to the mad ne lie of ourvowes. What f bee lufc a man voweth to be a prophet or to Ipeakc ftrange toongs^ {hall it therefore bee neceflary for his faluation, that God becftovr vpon him the gift of prophecie or the gift of toongs, becau/c other- wife he ihall breakc his vow/ If we will thinke this abfurd^we mud fay in the vow of continencie as we will in this, tiiat the gift of con- tinencie i» not neceiTary to faluaticn^, but it is neceflary for a man to repent him of his rafh and headlong vow, to aske God merciefor abufing his facred name in (b vnlawfuU fort, and to vfe die meanei ' ordained by God for auoiding the mifchicucsofthatvovv wherin hefindcthnothirafclffeconded and confirmed by the gift of God. Bcccaulc I fay the gifcc of continencie is not in it felfc nccefiarie to ^ faluationjtherforc God doth not alwayes yeelde it to the prayers of ' me'n,how/beuer they haue vowed it,but leaucth them to the repen- tance of their errour, and to the remedy which hee hath appoy nted for them : and tlicy who hauing vowed againft marriage, and not hauingthe gift cf conancncie do perfeuere therin, they do no other butrcbell againil God; and not further their laluation by keeping cheirvow as they call ic, butincreafe their ownc damnation by the pollution and vnclcannc^ of filthy luft. Whereas he faith, chat they cttelj tnelj teach thatfnch ds hauevirrpedchaJiitU Cdn k^epe it\\ anfwer liim af Af4jlm^i^\ to lu/idn the Pelagian, tliat where'^ChriJlfatth, ^Ure- ^ ^ . ^^^, cetur n0t thtsjaymg^ but thtjto whtm it isgiuen : he might haue Jajde , /-/""< /li-? .f«.i» ^^llreceiue not thtsjajmg^bftt they that vctlljifit h true tvhfch they [ay. ^" '^^^f/jff,'^,''* For if they chat hauc vowed chaltity can conl'ccjucntly kccpc,it the *"^'. ^ •" ""'> wholbcucrwill vow it ,is prcfcntly thereby put in iVatc for the kce- "//""i,'/, ".Ti*. ping ofit,anhttheyto who ""*'"}'/' ^^""'i*- « r ' '1 I III-- I ^ mm, ire. ft IS giH^nlhc iotcutiii^lW cucn againlt the haireco lay tiiac cucry i)Mct..'9.u : niancan rccciuc it;^,;,^^^/]'- Saint Hurtme i'zhh well concerning '^/j^^^',\l,^j^,r. \ ihofewords^ If aLt_yf,fjo,tcvtrgimyOur LordChnfirvouidneucrhane iouiniM.Si»m- JatdyHethatcanreceiHcttylethiwrccctHe tt. Now the truth is, that ^'^tZn'^'^l'J'Jif- tliehercficotyl^((?.';f«««/wasroplaulifelc,as thatitdid wonderfully ■•*' d.ur,x,^-f inrinuatcitlclFeintotIicunndsofn)cn,& the Fathers andBiHiops 'cr/rTi'd^M^l's of the Church grew aftcrvvardsloctnnes to fpcake in tl^e fame fort ^♦"/^«'»«/'"-|- as TtrttiliMtt in bchaltc thereof had Ipokcn agamft the Cliurch.Tlic ]j]^afl'^l!!,T'li!uf Church then pleaded a ncceliitic of niarriaee and fccond marriaec, ^'■'^^'^ '*"" '"- tbecanfe ofthewprmtty oftheju/h. This Tertullian cxagitatcth in the f»n>tMr,irc place cited by A/'.'S c^mtftr f beare it bec4ufe he by whome it is giuen tobeare^willnH he w/int/Kgfor i'','„''d!''}'sHl^' hisp4rt,How long (faith hecj pj^l! we pretend the flepj,for that Qhnji ducnufMrnur /attb,rhefli^ ts weaki^.But he Jet before tt. The fptrtt ts ready, that the ZZ^^ttl jpirlt may overcome the ficjb , and th.it whtchis weakemayyeeld to the f'^->-Stiiprdr'i(u firongfr. This prcfumption he buildcd vpon, that God would net uuvTZHl^ju- be wanting to them togiuc ablcncflc tocontaine who did cdcuour ■■^^»* <:*rry,m-ox .«. tliemfelucs for the obtaining of it.Which being then prcliimcd 6c 'jtiVLl^i '^ difputed againft the Churcli , may giuc vs hght what to iudge oi u^J,Ti"Jtu fuch fpeeches afterwards vfcd in the dodrinc of the Church . For I'f'a^t^vai , this conceit much prcuaikd, that albeit Chnft had faid, ^Uraeue Z'i^„''^f'l*!' trtdren* tnttMit /'l>,iU . not this faytf^g^bnt they to whom it isgtuen,ytx. the rccciuing thereof r/^^»himlelfc c,p:ores^ut^-^dt ^ occafion wcll difccme, when hee faith that our Sauiour liter etjiitmtjtrt [ t n i <,:>, iM ntnftcMndH ^ repToueth fuch mafters as crmllj andvKmercifallj/ , fvithoHt weighing 'jfmZmhfiluuf' thejirength of their hearers, do enioyne them things beyond their forcer^ cj ;(f Auditniti,itd as they (laith he) who forbid to marry ^and from that which is expeduttt 7'^'inilngHnt'vt- doforce men toapuritie or deannsjfe more then needeth^who alfo teach f»iA q:,iprMi>ent ffjgfff fg abjiaifiefrom meates and by the wordcfthetr expofttion do bind "c^l^d'txffditAd other ffich burdens to which they f^ou/d not at a/! compelfaithfnll men, 'i'nlt'TrnZtr ^"^'^i ^'f^*^' ^^^ willofChrifiyfaytngj CMyyoke tsfweet andmy burden qti etuim doctnt light\and do lay them by their word and de^rine vpon mens Shoulders, "lulXl'm'mUi ti ^''^^"i fhem downe^and caufing them that are n: t able to beare them^to ^it* n»n cmnmo »■ fall vnder the waight of their htany comandemerts.Thus fpake Or/gen TaM^A^rd'^vcr agamft thcm^who notwithftanding allcdged for theii^cluesjas wcc i,Hmexpifiuo;H hauc fccn^tlic fainc that he laith in the other place, tiiatGod of his Sri voTi^rX P^"^^ will not bee wanting , and tiiey that askc fhall rcceiue of him, chrtfttdiccntu, ix- And if It bc true which hcc faith in thoie former words , then there f^^r»n''Sm(Hm was no cdufc for liim hcrc to blame tliofe teachers tor laying too 'u»e tfi,& ir^P'- heauie burdens vpon men, becaulc they might iultlyanfwerashc TdVerblmfJZ, doth , that the burdens were not to bee accounted too heauie , for ftpcrhumcrciho- that cucry onc that askcth may rccciuc ilrcngth forthc bearingof 7i>'''T'c''*d'er"f4c,.them, But bccaufc he iuftlyrcprooueth thofc teachers, therefore '"-.rsfuhpon.ur, j^^ giucth to vndctftand that M.Verkihs iuftly faith, that though lirumetiq^ty^inM canHot bcc uouDtcd , that lomc by prayer obtainc the gift of U';e.i >-,(,„ fup continencie, yet it is not yccl Jed to the prayers of eucry man, and many though they pray ncuer fo much , yet rcceiue it not. As for Hieromes words they fhcw which is the way to obtainc it , but doc not fay that that way will bring cucry man vntoit. It rH.-,t. OfVffWes. ,049 ^ItisfiueHtothcmthAthMMe ^isk^dit ythath^uetUjiredtt ^th.tt h.xue mi\„n-.: si^tu UboHredtoreceiue it y but it tollovvctli not that it is giucn to all '' n>"'"-'"'l* that do fo. Hccxprclly dirc6ietii his fpccch againft ihcmvvho V/Jl'llZjJvt thought that cither" hjUL^lUc^inic or l>y fortune and chance tucw ^^'n''"'*" rccciucd tills gift,and lhcweth,thac not lo, but by prayer and labor " "> ^ ^""'' ?»'» they that hauc ic do attainc ir. But if all might lo obtainc it, there '^iZtl^^i^l^ were reafoii ot that aduertifement whidi hcc giucth prcfcntly ''•"'' after,*' Chrt(ifa$th. He that canrccct-ie it lethtmreceweit,that eutry '^ou'ju"p'ucifit nun may conjider his ovoneJirenQth prheihcr he he able to fulfill the pre- '^' '-''^'?'"/^'" '" r ■ ■ ^ r r ' ^ n JiJtrelVirrl fr I. ceptscfvirgMHUO- contmencie '.jor ctntmencie iiofttjelfeajlitiring v:ru,»i,ojf>ri:, . , tht»f,aMd a/I reth eu:ry em to ifj butmtnarcto conCidcriheirfireKeth "'"'<>•/'-'''""'"" that he maj/rheihe it fvho ts libleto rccetnett. What necdcrh tins t '•m c^iUu, confideration ot our llrcn2;ch, and the doubt of our bcinp able, if ^'■'"'/'"//^~,iT''"', wee may reioluc tlmtcucry one tliat askcih and fcckcth , iccciuctli f"ic»,(:dcrat,d4 ftrength to be able. Yea and the obtaining of tliis ab!ci;clk- re. V;;?.;;';.!/"^ quireth greateilabourtlicncucry mans ftrength can bcarcjappca- p"'"^*":^''" 'r*- retli hy Hieronje hiin(clto,whoothim(clfe confclTcthjhow P hard/y "'*,!'"" bj the hurdneffe of the vtldcrneffe he Attained to the. brtdltrif of tncon- T -^^\-^ '^^'- ttnent desires. S Iwaj not able [mih hc)to beare the prottocations of vi- nu* viutrum^rd* cioHi de fire and heate of n^.t'ire , jihich when I repreffed by often fi- '^'"ft"*''"''/"-'^* /»• J n I II I II-' nirV^tirAm, qutnt ftingiyet my mindrvasjttlragtngwtth thoughts. ^ i thought r?/j fife to c*']>""'d,r,fu^n\m, (dfcyca in the wilderncfle, where his companicwai buc Scorpion s ''7/,J"'^',/7f[^l^ <5c wild beafts ,yct found fo great difficulty to attaine to that that lie '''•'•«"»• '/^ vi.« fought for: what (hall wc cxpcftofthcin who arc tycd to liuc there ''/"I'tfifl^'*, ef itimiliMm Inn. fHrtiTesmtn/tchi afjudfri^uUvtdntw &rt{ii4m »l:quid dtccpijfi Iitxun4 J(t lUti(itltrtli0,^e.fe»rfi*nt,mrdnlmm f», ciud i^ ferarum fdf'e chortitnltrtrdm fMtll*ritr». Psliibtnt »r*iitw^i& mtnt dr/idtn/ < dftm^it inj'n^fjt ,but for him nothing at all.*// ^ t(f,medicuur,^t nowri^tly [did Jic that CAK receive itylet him tecciuiit, butkcethdt •'|17i«Sy!'«'!!c"l'^''"''«i»^^^w/, lethtmmArrj: thereby plainly fignifying that the a ct,n:^at. ^ wotds of Chnft do import that euery one is not capable of that LTC«7i.T«i" precept of containing , and th ercforc tiiat chofe expofitions are not .\i,radti}2>n>j^ true which M.Btfbcf hath brou^it to prone that they are fo. The mtta:ticr>,[f/ " fccond tcftimonic is takcn out of a bi?okt which, is)' none oi AH- ^iHg4mi. ^^^j.^ ju J fi^g reafon which he v feth of husbands long abfcnce from their wiues by trauelling or like occafions, that if in Ibch cafes they can containe^then they may alfo for keeping their vow,is vnfuffi- '• cient* ForweehauepromifeofGodshelpe iuthe ncceffiricsand temptations which his wifdome & prouidcncc impofeth vpon ^s, but of V(nves. 10 J I butwe hauc no promile of his Iiclpc in thofc temptations which wc procure vnto ourfclucs, and wherein wee tempc him by prcfuming vpon liis helpc, to go one way wlicn he hath direfted vs to go ano- ther. 1 he lalt words w hich he citcth, are Ipoken in general oFvow- ing,and we doubt notbutth&tin iholethmgs which we vow law- fully accordmgtoihewillandwordotGod,thchelpcof God who hath giucn vs a heart to promile our feruicc to him, will mercifully afliltvs accordingly, as we call vpon him for the performance ther- otjbutfo to fecure cuery man whowiltully vowcth that which God requircthnotofliim, isalpice and taft of thofe dregs wherewith C3/<:«r4;;«jas I layd before corrupted thedc6irinc of the Church, j^rlpl* 1 1 *t*~ Heth^t exhcrteththeetoWy •pullhelpetheetcfMlMtt^hut. he exhor- '•-«'-''•''/» "• leth none m this cale,but them that are able : Be that ts aklcy let him umnu „umr.cn receiue /r.and let him receiue tt, faith he, but favth not, let htm vcrv it J*''"V'0"F'n" andvvhatisthattomcueihcetovow, and to preiumc that atter- urumimtftuit. wards he will make thee able? Yca,andwhatwcareto concciuc iii''"^''"''^'"*,'" this cafe, we arc fomcwhat to clteem.e by tyiufiwe himfelfe , who in «««if«»t*«/.^""*:&*. rather to be cholcn,ihcn to endure the cuftcme thereof, And if *^'«- j,T'.t6:T,ui','u ftine at thofe yeares as hce Ipeaketh of,& in fo great deuotion , could '^^''^ i'r.trshu notbefree f rem fuch pollution, what fliall wee thinkc oflo many r«w »!I.*,»/4t** whoinftrcngthotbcdyandheateofblcud, witheafe and lijHdict ^'^"^['/'^'^"'"" do vndertake that Popifli vow of fingle Iife,but thateucn in ti.tm it (ffiutjis,^.ni,tf^ is true which 5". iP^rr^r^^ faith , ' r^fnm the Cht.rch httni>le';f'''i^'^'''fl"'. fKArtage and the vrdijilt d ht d, and theufliejiallnith keepers ifc cm u- ^'*'^& "nr> dm j^ tires tncejiuctisfe rJor;s,feed-li>oJers^Wfnu ns^Scdi fniteSyCxKdalimi^ rtyjt r ^'^^* ""***' •fvr.cUaneftrji ns. And this to haue been the fruit and ti^c £1 cf that ^ T^i'» - tocontamcjtlicy naue fallen to whoredome: whence tlicy grew to Urm„uxy»^,u» •lamnablc pradlifcSjas ^ 7 ey tulbun in part fliewcth, cither to hinder t.^^^j^^"""* conception, or to marre that which they had conceiucd, or il they could not prcuent the birth,yet the to ftrangle & murther the child tJiac was borne.Cf thclaft whereof a notabfc example was fecne in Xxx tlic To J 2 OfVfft^eu I^k7fvrl7rf-n thctimeof(?r'^^#7BifIiop of Romethefirft,as <^ HuUfrichus the ef ji HMa'ctcH Bifhop of Au^ufta iiicntioncthj when out of a poole whicli rlic fayd rX.'f«v«/>'J"f'r gregorjf cAuCcdzo bcdrawncj there were taken aboue fixe tlioufand fifies^-p & infants skuls or heads, to his ereatmeife at the fight chereof,& great f.x mt'M^ ,'f^\t^ repentance of the decree that hce had made againlt manage, bo C;- mjm,^xdZ?J"'i P^^^^ maketh mention of a notable abufc of (uch as profciiing to be ntr^f-.r;^rU.f./r Virgins, yet ** would lye in bed and (leepe with mcn^ltil taking vpon j.-tciH'r.^p d! abft. fjjc f j^gf they were not defiled by the,yea he hath written « a trcatifc t^f:Td cidi» caufi of purpo(c againlt the, who hauing vowed lingle urc,yet would not YuJ^'^pV.tZi'T' be witiiout the company and conuerfatfon of women, euenm their jr^a^pur 'iu,t. beds, and were not afhatned by abufing examples of Scripture, to ii?J!^!.v/w "colour theirlewdcourfc. He allcdgech ^ Bifhops and Prielts,many dtmie£topMr:ter and men ofgfeat woFtli, falling m thatforr and by that occafion. ^^uf.jj-ecHmmsf Qy^f^ji^j^^ alfo Hath Written a Scniion of purpofc, complaining tidim dt %«/.ir J. fij^i TtfomenprefcjJi4g rnle ofcontmencie^ had nun dwelling with them ''ii>:u>.tjin'"f4mi and affirmcth, that the bchauiour of virgins did caufc fuch Ufs and «m4f,i*/,r4f/ fcarnes amongji the Vagansyns thxt it w:re better there Jhonld be no vir- W^jtnti 6- cjuedAing^yC2L ter- ttnt. Dtrid.'rit ^ min§^thcmpliin\yconcubhetandh(trlots. They will be { rvirh men) &c.v'tf!(ihlcm! ^^y^^^^'^C)*" the fam! houfgyinth: fan*; chamber >yei oftentimes tn the liMftc ne vYgmts Jam T bed, and they fay we are toffufpicious if we thinly any thirg there^ frLTkinanVitof. So doth '5- firftfr6hcU,&tendcth wholly thither, & that the defenders therof ^dli^uidexi^imtmui ,k Btr. dt etniur.dd Cltr.tapflf. ftfiftrnit*tUHes, ptji ddulcer'm.pifl inteflM ntc iffd eju'ide d- fjtd dUefutiignommidpdjfiinitdefitTit. 1 IbidNit UttrcqtUHnt frd mftUilitdininet^r0imp»dcnttdqi$drMnt.m.lii:d liberty toferue God. 'But i t c o 'j cares ago S. Au^uihnc fff t pitrpofe confuted thts error in fundry places of his Ic'-'-rnediyorl:^ sfcctully in his treattfe, Dc V'lrginicate, tnth:fe Chap- fers « ^ . - ^ ) --1 •''^ f nhere he account eth him no ChriJIi.'n that doth con- tradifi (^ hrijl pr' mtjtngthe ki-gdome of heauento Eunuchs. * ^^Indin ^^^ . the ■} ^ Ch iptcr more Vehemently exclaming: O impious bhndnclle, why doft tliou cauill and Iccke fliifts? why doft tliou piomife tem- porallcommodirieoncly to the chad and contineni: when God (aith * I willgiucthcmaneucrlaftingname. Andihhou wouidclt *^^*-'-^- perhaps tak c tiiis cuerlaftingfor a thing of long cocinuance,! adde, inculcate,^: often repcate,tharitlTjalncucrhauccnd,Wlutwoul- dell t hou more/'Tliis etcrnall name, whatloeucr it bcc , (Igmficth a certainc peculiar and excellent glorie,which (hall not be common to man/,albeit they be placed in tlic fame kingdome,&c H'h-i h m the : 9. Ch pttr hec nfirmeth out ofthatpUce of the ^pocalypfe, cited aboue in thef words: [' he relt ot the faithfiill fhall fee ^ou, and not cnuie your Hate, but ioy in it,<3c fo be partaker of that in you,which they hane not in thcmlelues:for the new fong wliich is proper vn- tbyoutheycannotfing,butniallheareic5 and bee delighted with your fo excellent a bleflcdnefle:butyou,becaufe you fliall both fing and heare itjfhall more happily reioyce and raignemore pleafantly. Xxx3 fyhich 10 0 Ofytrp^es. tVhich m4j be alfo confirmed ont of the ^pofile in the/amepUccwher e he ajfureth that thejingle hfeis better for theferuipe ofgod/ajtng: that a rpoman vnmarriedanda virgin^thtttkjf the thwgs rvhich belong vnto oHT Lordy howjhe majpUafe God, and bee htlj both in body andjpiritt ♦Math 19. AndoHr ble^cdSauiour teachetk,* Thatfome become Eunuchesfor thekmgdome ofheauentwhichyto betaken there properly for the reward • o e virginit. *» ^/> the reji of the Fathers)teacheth: ♦ What <^ap.3 J • " could be fpokcn more truly or more ipcti^ia\ou[\y?^hr$fifaith,The truth faithjthe wifdomc of God affirmeth them to geld thcmfelucs for the kingdomc of hcauen,who doe oFa godly determination re- frainefrom mariage:And contrarilyjhumane vanity dotli contend by impious tementy,that they who do lo,do it to auoidc the ncccf- (arytroublcsof matrimony, and that in the kingdomc of hcaucn they fliall hauc no more then other men, R« Abbot L^.Bt/hopyhcvc taketh vpon him to prouc the vow of virginity to bclawfulljbut yet wc fee it is with certaine cautions and conditions to be tlierein obferued.Firft he will haue them to be ofripejeares & confideration, ^ well to try their ojvne aptneffe. S econdly^ it is lawfulljif by goodinfpimtions they be thereunto inwardly called.But put the cafe that thefe cautions be not obferucd, that fooie vow ralbly and vn- aduilcdlyjwithout triall of their own aptneflej& witliout any goo J infpirations calling them toit, orhauing vpon fbmc triall iudged thcmfelus apt,yct afterwards finde it otJierwife , what (hall they do,not being now able to keep that which they haue vowcd?Mar- rie let them (inkc or fwim.letthem burne till they be confumcdjlct them be brothels and harlots,and what they will,they haue vowed, 6c they muft ftand to it,but many they muft not. As for that which hci'zith ofgoodinjpirationf inwardly ca/lif^g them, it is a meerc beg- ging of the qucftion.Wc deny that there arc any good infpirations inwardly calling to that which wee arc not outwardly taught by the infpired word of God.Thc (pirit & word of God go iointly t<^c- thcr, and where the word giueth vs not warrant and dirc6lion for that we do,thcy arc illufions and not infpirations, by which wee arc Icd.Now ofvowmg virginity or (ingle life, the word of God hath neither precept nor example. AI cxercifcs of true rightcoufncfle wc find amongft the people of the Icwesiwc find amonglt them all the rpirituall intendments &(ignifications of their ccrcraoniall vowcsj xircihiutl. of y owes, 105-7 but of this vow of fingic life <5: virginity we find nothing, faue only amongft their lc«fhrics in the corruption of their ftace and religion, as namely the Pharifces, who for one of their exercifcs of great holi- neflc,-^ vowed continertcie and virginitie,f9metimesfor tenyccre/yftmt- • EpiFi'M^s times for fixe orforfoure jceres^^s Eptphdmns reportcth of them.But '^- ^""^-^ yziUM. Btjhops argument will putthematter wnoly out or doubt, /r^/vn^ft-nryit ThatS^xth he, which is more pleafant &zratefHllto Gtdmaj he vowed ^"""'"^ -*•' Vnt0 Gody hut virgtmtj is more acceptable to Goa then mariage : there- dntnmmm vtr^^- fore itwAj be vowed. He naincth an exception to the firft propofiti- J'j" *" """""^ oiiyifwe be able toperforme ir,and faith that it is before confuted,but his confutation commcthtoo Hicrt, and itftiUftandethgood, that contincncie is a thing whereof we cannot promifc the abilitie to our fclues, and therefore cannot make any lawftiU vow thereof But let- ting that padc, let vs examine tiie proofes of his rmnor propofition, chat virginitie is more acceptable to God then mAriage. Hee bringeth firft tiic words of .J. "faul^ He that ioineth hts virgin in mdrtagey doth ^ j (-^^ _ ^^ well, but he that ioj/neth her not, dothbetter^ and concerning the wi- dow: ^fhepiallbe more hie (fed if pre fo abide in my iudgment. We hearc c Ver.4«. the wordeSjbut yet we fee not any proofe therein of that which C^f. Bijhop would proue by them. We know thatlibertie xs better and wsTfT^^^r^^ then bondage, and yet libertic is not more acceptable to God then bond agCjOr the free-man then the bondman, ^ittsa ^ •**>^' more blejjedthmg^tis our Sauiour Unhytogiue then to recetue, and yet it followcth nor, that he that giueth is more acceptable to God, or morebleffcdwicli God then he that receiueth. S.VaHlehnnicltegi- liethvs tovndcrllandin whatrcrpc6^eshe meaneth better. i^dmore blejfed, Firlhvlicn hclaith, ^ Jt is goodfar the prefent necej/itie, thit •VeT.16. mariage bee forborne by them tliat can fcrbeare* * ffhat is thu ne- Hiiu'dfukfinam. ceffttie. fiich Hicrouic ? Woe faith hc.f^ them that be with chtld.^ndto ^''^•fi'' "♦"/'' II /lit I r- I J II '-^'^ Aprd^ruunf them thatgiue furke m th it dry. fh: rfcre the wood grew eth that tt may bm & uamtJ^d gftcrwArds be en: downr. Therefore is the fi-ldfowed tkit it maj after- " '^^ "'-i^'-?/' ward! be reaped. The world t ifull, the eat th ccnteineth vs ncty wanes p* mddimr.itUi areji til hewing vs dow ve, dtfcafes t.i^ vs away.Jh/pwr,uk£s/waUt7t> vs 'f '^^^/'-'^/.^vlriT x^. He giueth hereby to vndcrlland,that the Apoftic meaneth diis »/ »rbu,t,rrMnti necejfitie of the troubles that are incident to the f^ithfull, by prclc- Zluril'^t, " cutions & other temporal caIamities,tJie bearing whcrof is lb much f-»rfi/*i»r-fc.nr, the more eafie, by how much the Icfle a man is diltrelTed and dillra- I'l^t'^i' ^d with care of wife & children,^ hath thcrby no hinderancc,huc Xxx4 that lojS OfVowes. ^hat cither by life or by death hce may freely doc that that ihali bcc according to God . Againe, to fignific his meaning the Apoftlc y^^ j^ further faith:8 The mariedjhallhdue tribHUtion in thefle/hy hut I /pare h Vcr. J ». yoft.^ I ypouldhanejoH to bee rcithout care . The vnmaried carethfor the thwgs of the Lord, how he may p leaf e the Lorde\ but the married ca- rethfcrthe things of the^trldhtw he may f leaf e his tvife. • Ifp'^kefor ' *''5' yoHrcommodttUj,thatj/ema.ycle4Hctothe LordwtthoMtfeparattcn. By allwhichwordestheApolllc importeth that there arc many cares and dirtra6tions incident to marrhigc, whereby a man is holdcn to the rcfpe6f otthe things ot tliis UFc and of the world, that he cannot l'owholyaddi6lhimlcife to God. From the(c diftra6lions fingic hfe, ifa man will fo vfe it, is more free, and giuetha man full liberty of applying himfelfe entirely to thole things wherein confillcth the (eeking ot the kingdomc of heauen, llius therefore fingic life i% better andmore b/cjfedy bccaufctlicre is in it greater opportunitic of following thofe good thingcs wherein confilteth the attainment of ctcrnall bhlTc. Thus the Father doth better that continueth his daughter being fo willing vnmarrie4 bcecaufe he leaiieth iier at full hbertie to bellow her lelt to the Lords vie. 1 hus the widow is more bicfled if fhc fo abide, becaufe llice is more fiee to ferue the Lordc, But U'U.BiJhop telleth vs, that iyeeiue hi-.ndredycares agoe ^ S. Auftin offetpurpoje confuted this error, andfpecial'j in his I'reatife de XJirgi^ mtatey whence he nameth fundry chapters 1-3 . 2 3 . 2 4. 1 5 . Where it appeareth that CM.Bifiiop neither vnderftandeth what we lay, noi what it is that S. ^ufime QQY\iwx.t^\'.S*tAHfiincs fpeech \% againft the k ^ugM fAtiH. k ypl^o ihtnke that the benefitte ofcontwencie is not needfttllfor the kif^g' ^!bHuT'J>,t, ^°^^ ofheaneny bat oneljfer thtsprefent vorlde ^beecaufe mariage ts di- ftenttsbonumnan flra^edwith manj earthly and tronbl- fame cares y the incumbraHnce *^lpurr^^nH^ca! vfhereof virgins and continent perfons doe auoide : in a wordc,as aftcr- /..«w,/2r«r vvardshccxprcflcthitjthat' tt is profitable for this life ^ not for the life ^quldfJiiiut'^^mH fo come. No we when wee fay that fingic life where the gift of conti- gUttrrenucHTu ncncie is, is more helpful! and yeeldetli greater opportunitic to the ^JrJdfftln^dZlr, feruice of God^do we make it profitable for this life oncly, and not ^«« mtitftiA v^rg, for the life to come .<* Hath the feruice of God a reference oncly to TJrtn/""'"*"*" this world, and doc wc follow Chrift onely for a bcncfite in this lifcJ 1 ib,d.cAp. 1 4.. Indeed wc (hould be far wide if wee thought that the end to which ift,»0nfutlrT ' the Apoftlc driueth ihuld be an idle,& voluptuous life, but wee dc- ccrmin that the preferment of continency & fingle life lo coccrneth this OfVmes. I0J9 tins piclcnt lifc,as that it fpccially rcrpc6^cth eternal! life . We rccko not of the prcrenncnt thereof in rcipcft ot this lite, but all chc ac- count that we make of it is in refpe6t of tlie lite to come, know ing that by how much the more induftrioully and inccflantly w c apphc our fclucs to ih; worke of God, lo much tlic greater reward of glo- ric vvc ihall luiue with him, not by reafon of anic meritc or dclert, but by the licaucnly diipofition of that voluntaric grac e and mcrcie winch hatiipromilcd, zh^l"" our laboHrPjAil not bee m VAtne m //j^- m r.c.)r.t5. $8* Lordy becaul e " enerj man fha/I haHc his yp.^gfs according to his worke ♦ " *P- ^ ^• *$*, ^lifityj therefore in confuting them that Liy, that the bcncfitc of contmencie is only for this life, laith nothing aga:nll vs. He accchn-" teth htm no hrtf}t an, iiith LM.Btfiopythat d.th t onttadifi ChnJ},prc- mijing thf kinod me ofheduen to Ennnches.'Xhon^U thole be no words Ot^HJltn, yet we will askc him, for what Chrilldoth prouiife them ^ the kingdomc of hcauenrDoth he promife it to them for being Eu- nuchcs/'i'urclv then many Hiould come to the kingdome of heauen who neucr had anie behetc thereof. It is not then their becmgEu- nuchesthatChrillrefpedleth, but their more earncft fceking the kingdome ofheauen.And thus the other fcntenccs which healled- gcth out of ^/f/?/>», in the mainc drift of the contiarie nothing that wee fay : onely in two refpedles wc differ from him and he from vs . j Firft, we hold the texts of Scripture which hee bnngcth to be very vnluflficient for ihe proofc of that which he intcdeih. For the words of the Prophet EJay are not fpoken of Eunuches , as for following iromc fpeciall kind of life in the Church,but for imbracing the com- monfaith and religion of the Church, and arc properly referred to them who properly & truly are called Eunuches ALBifjop to make them lcruehisturne,fal(ifiethand coirupteth them, the text being in this fort, ° Let not thefonne of the ftrahnger which ts tcyncdto the « Ef*y. j6- J Lord JpTakf^nd fay y The Lord hath fnrely fepar at ed mefromhtspeo' p/ff, neither let the Enntichfiyy 3eholdl am a dry tnt'.jor thns fiteth xhe Lo'dvntt the Eunuches that kjepemy Sj.bbcthes , a>:dcht f*ot imperttnvntlyj be apply ed, but he plainely cnougii importeth, that Mtcetimonfccjf, thc propcr conftcufiion of thc woordes IS that that he iiathbeeforc mmfllilLZ"''* dehuered. God therefore willeth the Eunuch, not to account him- li"r!°Z'^e'^'tm ^^^^^ ^ ^^*' ^^"^ ^* "°*' ^ '* be planted in the houfe of God, and as being LilrHZEunM^ dcpriued of the blefling ofthe people of God, but to know , that '^ulbZil^iZTd'co bo wlbcuer there lay vpon him a note of exdulion by the Lawe, yec hocioccbaHanon now if hc fliould ioync himfelfe in faith &rcligion to the people of tr^'fTeji""' ' God, he fliuld be altogether as one ofthe, and howfocuer his name ypfti.9».'r2. mightfccme to die for want of fons & daughters,yet he fliuld haue anamc OfVffWes. io6i a name better tlicn the name of fonsand daiightcrs.euen an eucrla- fting namcjwhicli Hial ncuer be put out, but be glorious with God tor cucr. Men icy much in the continuance ot tlieir name by their illuc &pollentyjby (oiines & daughters, but to be named amogll tlie people otGod and called one ot iiis^is atjrre greater name then the name ct many Tonnes and daughters, Ochcrvvile it wee readc it A bettttname then to thejtwies andduughtersy it hath reference to the people of the lewcs, who for being ottliclcede ot ^hr^hanty were pecuhalry reckoned for the chtldnn^ iorfonnes and d^wghtirs. ThusisKfaidofthembyourSauiour Chrilt; "^ Th: children efthe^'^^it-li*. kjn^donje Jhall he c*^(i ont:iit\(^Ji^MTiC "^ Itis net mecttto t^kethe ch/-'^'^'^^ '^' drens breadyundto cujitt to doags.l herefore he giucth to vnderltand that the Eunuch by being the child of God, through the faith ot le- iusChnllhath a more glorious namejthenithc were named ofw^- /'r.:/;*f«;/ fcede^in thetule whereof the Icwes fo proudly & vamely reioyced.ln a\vord,thcmainedrift otthc Prophets words gene- rally of ltrangers,6c particularly of EunucheSjisto fignifie in Lhrift the pulling downe ot the whole ^ purttticn rvall of all Icgall lepara- ^ ^ph 214. tions,that vvc Oiould know there is an end of thole differences and vncleaneflcs which the law imputed, and that now<^ thereisnet-^ •>•?»»• thtr Jew nor Greeks, hand nor free ^ntale orjemaley (no difference of maimed ov w\\o\i:)biit all are one in Chrtfile/us And '^ ineuerynaticn^fi&.lo^U* (and of euery fort of men)/jf thntfeartth Gcd df:d rvcrketh rtghte- 9ufne^e is accepted With htm. T\\\%i^ the true and proper effc6f and meaning ofthatplacCj neither can it without vvreftingand violence be expounded of Eunuchs in that fence as S,yAttJl:n (peaketh of the And whereas S,^ufiin fo taketh the words as that God fhuld giuc to thefe Lunuchs a better name thrn to thef»nnes (^ dan^hters,yvhidi to cxprcd'c Af, Bf/hfip tranflateth very fallly and conuptly abetter Mmethen ff they had bene called fonnes Mnd ddughtersy as making the names oifons and daughters an inferior name to that that fhould be giucn to £unuchs,K is altogether improbable and vnlikcly which. he conceuieth.The name otj ens and daughters \% the common name ofallthefaKhiulI,andnot a name of meaner quality bcloncing oncly to fome inferiour fort. Thus faith God concerning all his .people; « Cowe out from amon^ them, and fepATAte jour Jelues e» O.r.f.r^, ^ touch no vncleane things faith the LordyardlwiUrecetueyouand Jwillbc afathervntojcH^ undjcfhallbec mj Jonnci and daughters, fatth lo62 OfVowes. faith th: Lord'almightie* S. ^Pffiin then might not fay, that tlie Eu- nuche:.iliouIdrcceiue^i'r«(rr name then the name ot lonnesand daugiitcrs, becaule the highcft honour that God giueth to the who tottch no vncleane ihwg,is to recciuc them for fonnes and daughters. Tiiereiore CA mins ^Uxandrinus not vnderftandingthe v\ ords of any fpeciall place aboue the fonnes and daughters, but ot a prchc- minence aboue them, who for not doing the things there fpccified, icum-^iicxan. are reie6ledfrom being fonnes and daughters, laithj^yr/?-?i-ginall note thus: Chriji andthe fame number ofeUB that were figned n-^Z'Teft'"^ C^^pf '7 'Now how could ^ttfime vnderftand virgins according to ^.n>:ot\e»ti. the flefh amongft the tribes oflfrael , amongft whom there neuer **'' was anie fuch profcfTion of virginitie ^ Therefore as touching this place wc will oppofc ^mbrofc againft tyiuFime^ who expounding the OfVmes. 1 06 5 the vvordes oiS. VahJ ; " / haue^repAredjoufor one hushand to vreftnt „ yoH apHTf virgin to Chnji, iiith tiius:" He wtllhaue iht m^o he virftns " -""^r.m {c,. tn thcf.xiih^bj renfon wherccfhe is le^dous tn their bchalfe of coxruittrs 'vtiHtl'enlilng- of the faith: that hf maj at the d*iy ofxudgemint p-cft-nt them vidifiird ""f^ -^"dt CAufe of^habs wife, who in ^eale of !j,aal[lHe the Vrophcts of the Lord; K'i>-u!,^ii„r,H,,' nhereas hee medncth tdolatrie wherewith the manm rs cfmen and true ^'"" "'V ?"' jatth are crrupted. For if we vnderflana wtmen of women ir.di ede, fo ^("■'Hnt cn^quirm that thcrfore we thmke them to be called virgins^ becAH[e they kept their 'r-^n^nl'Hi bodifs vr touched, we exclude the Saints from thtsglorte, becaufe all -7«»nf««r t^nnm the Apcflles except Vaul and lohn had wiues, l\\W}>S.iy^mbrofe c-^^rci Vui^nfl'^r'Jnm ly and by good reafon reic«flctli that cxpofition of i*. ^ufhne^ and A: •/:<"-' ?•«- Ihcwcth tliat virginitic in that place is not corporally to bee vndcr- 7apt/nZ'&7,y ftoodjbut IpirituallyjOf being Free From tiic corruption ot hcrclic Sc ^•>^'' '"•'''"'"«• idolatric, tlic entile tnents whercoFare hkc tlic cmifcmcnts and al- nmS'Ji^l'l" lurcmcnts ot harlots, in which refpcft the city of antichrilt is called V'* ^"'^'*''''* . , m I t 1 I II' I • r I I " phttMncidit.- P the whore of Bakylcn with whom the ki»gs and nations of the earth co- dtm int,ii,^diur mit whoredome andfornicattcn^ and therefore they that hearken to "^'''* '''''*'?'"' fuch cnti(cmcnts,and brcakc their faith to God, they arclayd to be rts&pj„vtritAt. defiled with wimen,AccoTdm^to the phrafc that yi/c^/ry often victh I^Zno^nuihg.u, cil goiKg a whoring after other Gods. Asonthc other fide ' bjfjnce- -^"dt'ofuuixtr- ritie of faith and puritie •fconuerfation, thefoule ( laith Ortgen ) isap- ^lor'f,r*{^»,nui. fr0ttedfor4vrginandvncorrupt. So the author of the Ccmmcnta- '••"-'•'/'^•'-••"•.r ries vpon the Rcuclation which go vnder S^Aufiins name, cxpoun- nl'nii»,,alu * deth the name of Vngins in the lame placet© import ^notfuch onely •""•"^ ^/"/•'<^'*' AS are chafi in body, but rather orfpecially euery Chun h which keepeth f — /• vxous ^rheldethpurefatth.not pollutedwtth the adulterous cemmixtion of he- *"'""""' ■I II I i ■ I , P'*'''7 T.2. retakes, nor v»happtly continuing to the end without repentance tn the <■} • euic.»o 5. dangrroujlyfl ittertng and deadly pleaf(4res of this world^ andcitcth the ' H'.f, H^''^'^ place before mentioned to the Connthians for declaration thereof. M'/«'T. our/ Thus vvc diflcnt then fro ^upn as touching the application of thole ^/."rip'Jf'flUT- places of Scripture which he alledgeth to his purpole,& the Reader '•'' *" ^"^[^ I I.Virg mttlitt Uc*n»nf» umctrp$rt ciftts inlillixt^iu,ri'i'»''ximi tm'tm EccltfiAm au* fiiimfiurdtm ftmr , /i ut ttiot^lftfitlmi Dtfp»»/dui vn f^i HmU*hMrt1\c»tMm ikdult trtn* ctmmixtitnt ptUMtdm, ntcmmM ihU'idu {f mirnjtrkhmiv mttn^ dtV*lMftdtibH4vfq»tadexUmmvitdfMMdhf^nm4di*p4'utrr.tUwf*lieifiifeitiT*nlUctUi^*tAm. may •1064 ofrmes. may pcrcciuc, that ic is not without cauft that wc Co doc. A nothcr thing wherein wc cannot accord with him is, that he ailigncth vn - to virgincs a fpeciall glory pccuhar to themiclues, and eminent a- bouc ail others, which vnder corre6lion ot io learned a father, wee hold to be a very fabulous and vaine conccipt. For although virgi- nitie and iingie life doe yecld the oportunitic of greater rcwarde by giuing libcrtic of greater workcjyet it followeth not, that they hauc any thing fo appropriated vntothc, but that in married ertatc they that doe the hke workc may reft in expectation of the likerewardct t Gai.j.a. ^^^ portion of all that ^are of the faiths is tc bee if/eJj}dwithfait(;ffiU tLuk.[fe. : » ^brahanti ^ to be carted by the Angels into xAbrahamsbtJome, ^tojtte u Mat.8 ,11. dorvne with ^brahanty md IfuM^and Incob in the kingdome of(j^d^^» brAham, and Ifaac^and lacob were married men, and therefore vir- gins fhall hauc their place all one withthofe thathauc bcene mar- ried, OuriJauiourChrifl told his Apoftlcs, whoalllaueyJ;»wcrc X Ma:. 1 9.aS. j^jj-j^cJ^ x.h?X * they fjouid fit vppoft ttveine feates to ihdge the 1 wdue tribes ef I/raeZ/.tic gaue them leates indifferently : iie gauc not lehn a I'peciall feate higher then all the refle, and iliall wee thinkc that o- ther virgins fliall haue feates abouc all them ? They are mentioned vKctt ii.u. *^ hauingv theirnamesrvrittenalike vpon the tvelue foundations ffthe (lourchy and fhall wc fay, that one of their names was written in let- ters of gold, and all die reft with inkcy^fT/^-/ a married manne,and aiuk..>3r Elias a virgin * appeared with Chrilt not in any diuerfe, but both in the fame glory. Therefore Ignatius a virgin alfo faith of himfelfe, '^ IwiibbeingfoHndTvorthycfGodjtobefeHndtiiGodski^^gdsmeatthg udeiph.opu dig- feete of them that weremahedy as of^brahamy ifaac, lacob f loJefhyE- nmDt> xnmnVM , ^„^(/f,^ ,//,^^ frothetSy AS offeter and Vaale ( marke that hee rec- C^»i nupt^s tpe- koneth Vatt/ for a married msLiyana the other Ape flics jvht were ma" tiZflnu^i'rrfi- ^^'^ "*'*^' ^ " * wordjit was but S.^ujlim too great opinion of virgi- cHt^br*ham^& nitic in tlicHclhjthat madc him without any good groundcs to en- 2*/J^.2'£ii'-«^^^^^"^^^'*^^°"*'^^P^°^^°^^^'^'^^ andlpcciall glory in name^ &*u»rJmPrt - thcrcof to bc afligned vnto virgins. Truth faith, tlic VVifedome of] ^ilt^iT^'fuiuir ^^^ Ci\^^ that they who of religious purpofe do forbeare marriage, 4W«w^5,/,;,- jnjjyfctlicgiftofcontincncic, doc make themfclucs c\\^^f»rthe 'f^ZmitSrmu kingdom cfheauen^iVX truth doth not fay^ncithcr doth the wifdomc of God fay, that in name of virginity or continency they hauc grca- j ter reward then others, but onlyas they vfe the fame more earneft- ] \y to fcekc the kingdomc of beauen ^ which if the married do ahkci ofVmef. io6)- as they,tlicy fhallliauc reward alikc.But faith M.,Btjho^^the ^ptftle ^y^rchth-.t ftr.gl.' Itfe is better for the feruice of Go ii. And wU.x? Jiad not M.'Terkir.yfzid Co much to hmi, 6c do not vvc fay die laiuc / but vvc adde, that it is better and more commodious where tiic gitcc of continencic is, but where the gift of contincncic is not, there mar- riage IS much better for the feruicc of God, Againc wc fay, it is molt commonl)', not alwaycs fo,for^ miirtage ( faith C^rj/oficmt) may be ^ '^^":^f'lf,i'> r. p taken yas thAt ufhallbe no hindiran:e toferfeB life : euen as tiic Ec- Jfum'^ofuJl^ clefiallicallhilloriefaithOi^^/r/W.'tfwabilhopjr/?^/*^ he hadwife ay.d "" ^'M'«'»ri chi/d*-e», and was thcr.'bj no vcbitth: worfg abont tiingespertAtr,tMg to ntnfint "^^ * (y ^^.As for the words which he citeth out ofthe booke of VViMomc ^f'''^''^-i*-t' befidc that tlicy are no canonicall Scripture they make nothing [or /^w-r, &hhr»t, him.TlKV arc an allufion-to the words of E fay. 3c onely fieniric that """"'*" p^»p'" to the Eunuch that worketh nghteou(ncs,liial be giucn that excel- r..-cWf;(i« .%>. lent gift that belongethvnto faith, <& a portio or ftatc in the Lordes AM'cw^ctpa temple, which is a thing acceptable and blcflcd abouc all thinges ''^'^J^^^ '"* ^«'* and that '' one thing^honc all thmges to bee dcfired, but as touching X^'p^v* comparifon of portions in the houfc of (jod, it intcndcth nothing. ' '* '^"^'^ 14. W. B I s H o P. Secondly^nilth: Vrotefiants doSlrine for martMge^C^ agitinf} v^w^/, is notably corfntedby S. P^f^l, * where he faith I That there were then « , Tim r. . ccrtaine widowcs, who when they waxed wanton againlt ChrilU, would marric, hauing damnation (fttth he) bccaufc they made void , and caft away their firlHaith:w/?/r^)i'x/ 4/ S. Auguftm* and then ft cf the Fathers expound it J th:j had vowed continencic, bnt would fr.t perf(frme it. Now thefe youn^ widowes ( if the Vrotefiants dotlrine were true^not baut»gthegiftofcontm:n:ief did very well to marry, ar.dwere in no Jort bound to k^epe thetr vores, which was net in their power: but the ^ f§file dooth not accjuit them of their vowf, but teachtth that they were bound to ketfc it in that hee pronounceth damnation t» them if they mar- he. * Def4na.vir«. R. Abb OT. To all that is here faid 1 haucfiilly anfwered before in the 7.Sc6^i6. The Protcftants mdccd fay,and they make it good,that thole yong widowcs, lo66 Ofrowes. widowcs not hauingthc gift ofcontincncic, did well to marry, and were by the Apoftle willed to marrie, left haply any of them ihould by waxing wanton againllChrift, fall into the like damnation as iome other had done. An impious and dcuibih tyrannie it is, when any hauc vowed ralhly that that is not in their power, to tye them to their VOW5 andfotocaufethcmbyfilthic luit and vnclcanncflfc to runnc into damnation, who by repentance of their vnaduifed raflineflc, andvfingthcremedyordamedbyGod, ihould keepc thcmfelues in pureneflc and peace of confcicncc to faluation II. W. Bis H Of. Thirdly .y the example of our he^Henly S auiour^ypho wonldfteuer ms- ♦ Au ca ''^'* AtldofthebleJfedVirginSsLini'iAAVfy-tvhi}* vorvedferpetHillvir devirg. ' giyiitie : and of the glorious ^poJlUs, Tvh0 as StHicromewittieJfeth ♦ ciem Alex * '^''"^ ittf^rt virgins : and aU after theirfollowing cfChriHeyabUained lib.j.Scrom.hb.i^ow the Company ofthetrmnes^ And of the befi Chrijiiansinthe fureSi I n ApVlTad anti^uitie, rohoj as luftinus one of the auncientefi greeke Authors x- Aut. moM Chrifiians : and Tcrtullian his pcere amom the LattnesAoe tefii- cap.j. fi'y dtdliue perpetHallvtrgtns. Out oftheje examples ^ we frame this argument. Our Captaines and ring-leaders^ who knew weB which was the hefi way, andwhofe examples wee are to follow as neare as wee canine, vow ingVirginitjfy wemufineedesejleemethatjiatefor more perfe^fpeci' ally^when as the Jingle man careth onely howe topleafeGod, and to bet holy in body andmtnd ( as the^peflU writes)when asthetKarriedarf cheated with cares of this world. And vnlejfe a man hadmade a league with helly or were as blind as a beetle , how can he eucrperfwad'e htm* Jelfey that to wallow in fUJhly pleafure, andfatisfymgofthebeaWyap' petitesyii as gratefullto Godyas to conejftet andfubdne them byfafting (fr 'Praytr^ Finally J if S . Paulc^/W/* councell to the mariedy to containe dft- •i,Cor,7. fipfg the time ofTrayer * Triejls and religions ( that mnji alwayes be in a readinejfe to mintfier the Sacraments, and to thinke vponfttch thinges as belong vnto our Lord) are therefore vpon a great confideratton bound toperpetHi'MchaJiitit'y R. AiJ- ofVmes. I067 R« Ab b o t. Tothchrftofthcfc inilanccs Clemtns *AUxAnd,r\nus anfwercd longfinscjwhcnbyheretickcsit was vied as M^BiJbgf nowvfcth it againft manage,' Thefe glorUus Iftaggert (faith lice concerning afv^^/,^^^ thole hcrcnckcs ) tetlvs thtt they fellow the lArdwho maried no wife ^""" ' * J ^"*' mrpojfejfeddftji thmi m the world. He anfwercth : They know not the t'.T.DLlnum* ' CMH/e why Chrifimarrtednotf Firfl hee was to hauethe Church to bee """*"''?"' ""?"« 1 ■ n r r> J! I If/.. I vxirininxtt,4re, hu proper Jpou/e.Secofta/y, he i¥4s»» common m4n that he/beiudHeede Nifiwnt cMuf^m 4 helper accordsMg to theflejh. ^gaine^tt was mt needfuUfor htm to be- \"'^^*!^'ii'ZT get children who abideth htmfelfefor ener, and'tt borne the onelj Sonne Prtmmm ^wcUm efgod. liM3t(bops wits had not greatly failed him, he would not tfitZ'^ttTJX hauc brought the name ot our Sauiour Chriflinto this qucltio.Wc "" '"'"• "^« »•"• know that the incarnation of the Son ofGodwasamattcrofdi-r,r,7,nVrJi^;l^ uinc difpcnfation, and dirc^ed to fpcciall and certaine ends «Sc vfes ^'"" '''^•* /"•"»- and the manage of a wife came not within any compaflc thereof. ^l7,'Z7,Z!!ff Yet he would l.onour mariagc by vouchlafing to bee borne in mar- p'-"<''*r,fiii»iqm ricdcftate,bychufinglusApoltle$ almoftall married men, by be- ^^^-Itr^yj^Sr' ingprelcntatamarijge, and gracing the fame with a fpcciall mi- "^" f'"**- racle,by affirming die coniun6tion of manage to be of God, and the bond thcrcpt to be inuiolable,Hisfecond inftance is of tlie Vir- gin ^^r^.who lie faith vowed perpetuallvirgtnity : but that is falfe, neither is there any ground or any probabihtic that flicc did lb. He alledgeth S*yittfttntox proofe thcioiyhniS.^uflins name is not fuf- ficient, vnlclTe we haue lome what ellc to build vpon. The Angcll declared vnto M^ry, tb^t Chrill Ihould be borne ot her: file askcth, ^ HawPiallthts be feeing! knewnotaman^. This he faith imported, that Hie had vowed virginity,*: becaufepte would net hatte .iskrdhow btuk.r.;4. ~ e beirg A wom^m.pjHld bring foorth afonne being promijed vnto her, *: ■'■<>*s' the ^^' '/■^•'"^."^- nnerorcuflom of the lewes did not then be4re this vow:\\\nc\\ be- rAtjjupcntuki' e truc,hovv Oiould wee tliinke that fhe fhould before hand arow''! w"/'^'^''';. ito the opinion or conceipt ot men a vow. Againc,how improba- '<«-r*ww,r«4i bleisit. that hauing vowed virginity,fhe would betroth her ft Ifc in*"' '«<•/**-«' mariage when as amongft thatpcople it was accounted a matter of fo great rcproch to faiclitull women, to die witliout iHuc, which Yyy fliee lo^c* of y owes. (he knew not then (hould in virginitic befall her ? Morcoucr, how vnhkelyisitjthathauingvowcdv^irginiricfhec would put her felfc ' ei.Cov.7.4. vnder ^ th:pow:r of a, h^s^aid,vnUA'c it could be proucd, which ca- not.that lo/rph had vowed continency as well as ihcf Surely it can- not be doubtcdjbutdiat in (ooth and fimplicity at the fidt they in- tended their mariagc according to the vfual manner of other faith- full and godly pcrlbns.As I'br the reafon that S, ^ujiim giueth it is vnrufficientjbccaufcthcrc might bee caufc of asking thatqueftion witliout any intendcment of fuch a vow. Thereof let CM.Btfhtp be (yimbr.uLHc.i. infoDiicd by ^.o/^w^r^T^^who makcth this the caufe, ThcTr&phet ^cctpt !>„jiiitfi'_. faith.Takivnto thee aJigne'^ehoHlda virgin Jhall conceiuey andjhall g<,tnvtcrt,&c.Lc.h'fi^'gfoorth achild.This Aiiiry hadready And therefore jhce btletHed g,rAxhocUa.rufu^ t . ^ '^ ■***''*' «*^ ab^tpted m one of his Epiflles tofpeake to his wfe^ which he 'ftiure tonrngim. didftot lead aboHtwtth hlntybecaufe he nesdedmt mnch to be minijired /.r'fr^fw'rr' 'Z'''^^' The words which hee meanethareto the Phihppians/ ibe- mi^nteinpMtjrct feech thee fatthftiU yoke-fellcftv helpc thofe wo»»sn which laboured with rphu'i .*?. *^' '" ^^' GojpelL It is true, that in rcfpe6i of that power that he had k r.Cor.-y.T. of iumfeifc for concaining.he faidi '^ I would that all men were euen ^pk^^JSmZ as I my (elf earn, but thefc authors(as wee lee) hauc holdcn that for 'up»?oUsrtfr>b*u noncccflar/proofe,bucthat P4«/ might bee maried alfo as thc reft phdtppMfiiios were. Yea but <^// reieU the ^pofiles I por Veter ■. and Philip begat of Voices. 1 069 hgat children,rtt]dThilip hejlcvcd his danghttrsto hushfids.And this ot Peter is confirmed by the legend of thcRomanc Church , which aiiionglt many notable lyes & counterfeit itorics lighted no doubt vponlomc truth* The Legend rccordeth that JVr/rhad a daugli- ter named from his ownc name giuen him inhis Apoftlcfhip, Pr- lr*W/dofr,prio wiucsabout with tlic,& fo namely the Apoftle^.y^-rfrjofwhom he nomm, pn, c>n>- ^^^ bcfofe favd 35 We haue hcard.ihat he alfo begat children ; and lu, mtmenu Do- wlien attcrward his wife was put to death tor the faith cr Chnft, he nioJ^m^l,- ^^^s there prefent, as the fame Clement alfo teftifieth m another mtni^m & vfquc place,& did P cxhoTt and comfort her, and calling to her, Jay d \ O wife ftaTAffi^^'vldc ^^^<- ^her the Lord lefns, SHch(^znl\ \\c)was the manage offuch blef" EM[ti>.hifi.Ub.i. fedferf9ns^andthetrferfcnaffe6Hcn,eHentothegreateft amitie* Now q 7*4^ ^foi. 1 . lalt of ail M.BiJhop tor example nameth the befl Chriflsans in the ftt". 3^ zBoMot TX-refi antiqpiitie ImtngperpetHall virgins '.htcitclh for it Ittjitn Martyr vij i^ zsoT^^oIji and Tertul/ianywhcn he taketh it indeed from the fantaitical dfcam tly{KovTouacu ofhisowneidlchcid* of the hefi Chrifians ncytherofthem fayth a Hjt^' i(li.ofxvi-woTdj onely they (ay that fome did liuc virgins and vnmarricd a- xoy Toucrai c< mongfttlicm, to (hew liow far they were fro the fornications Sc in- Sk -nrctJcTav cefts, wiiich were vfuall)' pra£lifed aiDongft the P;»gans, lufiin ha- Iftetfljjriwflif- uing faid,that by the doctrine of Chriil hethathckethvpcnayvoman erav t5 jjoj^S to lu^ after herjiath committed adt^lterte with hi rw his heart, ^ that A(pSopoi ha.' not onelj the committing cfadnlterie^b^t alfo ths wtlland dsfire thereof fxi\ov(Th \c^ makethamanreietiedofhimy intcrrcth tiiel'c words ; 'l Surely many lu^of/cq Ko-JA ypith vs hoth men and women of three fcore orjeuentieyeares^ who from vt(Xi yi\og uv- tljgff chtldhoodhafte learned the doEirine ofChnJl^ doe continue vncor- ^inui TOJoy rnpt. and I glory that in all (on $ of our men Icanjhewfuch: The Tranf- T0W5 Sii\a4„ lator to z/«f5rr«pr,hath added coehbes, vnmariedyhnt there is no rea- L^.$.N«7^n/. fo^ by the words of lujiin to vnderftad any thing clfe,but tfiat they tMentudiiigcntif. ]^dAmmuu ot r^rr«//(4ff, who taxingthe tomications & mceituous nIthinesOf 'tl^JIZ'lrZ^ '^5 Pagans/aich: '^Moflddigent&faithfulchafittyhath hedged vst^ virgin,^ ctnttnen.frofuch euenty (^asfaraswearefrofomtcattony^alexceffeheyodm^ iU^icf,Unntj-ou>, rtMgeJo far Are wefromthc coft cfinceJiJeafome both oU&yong d^c fH OfVorwes. lo^l fttt iiy^ay the yph§le force ojthts error bycontinencie of virginitir. Now what is tlicrc here whereupon M. Bijhep fhould fay, that the bejl C^ri/?M»/liucdinpcrpctuallVirgmitie? Butwccmuft not ftand vpon fuch matters : cither wee mull giuehim Icaucto doc thus, or cll'ehcc mult write no more. Well wee fee now that his ex- amples are farre from Icruing his turnc, and therefore in fteadeof his blind argument gathered of felfc conceipts, wc will argue thus: tliat feeing none of our captains and ring-leaders whom God hath fct before vs as exaples to be followed, haue giucn vs any example of tiie vow of virginity, therefore we muft condemne it as a blindji vs ilfull,and fuperttitious vow.Nay wc will argue further: Abraham cur Father,^ tnthefiepofrehofefAtthweare towalke,SiZ. into whofc^^^^^-J-^J- bofbme wee Ihall bcegathered,was a married man,not once oncly, but twilc marned.So were the reft of the Patriarchs married mcnj andfothcPriefts, the Prophets, theApoftIes,and almoft all that the Scripture (etteth before vs as examples of pcrfe6lion.Thereforc they are lewd hypocrites & no true tcacher$,that beare vs in hand that Chriftian pertc6^ion cannot ftand withmariagc. Yea but the Jingle man faith Oi'i£i/h0p,rAreth onely horv tefleafe Gtdfafidto he ho* Ij tnbodj and mind,as the sApoftle v^ritei^yvhen as the married are cho^ kedwith the cares of this world. But the Apoftlc onely telleth vs what may be by the condition of fingle hfe, and the right vfe thereof not whatalwaiesandnccaflarilyis.Forwec know that the maried ma- ny times Icfle carcth for the things of the world then the vnmaricd, and the vnmaried many times Icflc carcth to pleafeGod then the maried doth.What, did M, Btjhop and his fellowes care oncly how toplcafcGodinthatheatcoffpirit, whereby they were caned a- gainft thclcfuitcs? or do the lcfuits,yea their Popes and Cardinals and Bilhops , care oncly to plcafc Godr' Good men, they haue all quite giucn oucr the world, and they breath nothing but only hea- ucn. A man may wonder at the impudency of this manjwho doub- leth not to fpeakc lo contraric to his own knowledge botli in him- felfe and the reft of them. It is true, that fingle life hath ordinarily more oportunity and liberty to the feruicc of God then manage, which is the thing that tlic Apoftlc mcaneth,but feldomc it is fo v- fed or ncucr,buc that manage m fome attaineth, to as great holines and per&£lion as fingle life . But A/, B. in great anger goeth for- Yyyj ward 1072 Ofvmes. ward faying:fWd Itinkmg breach, fo fpeakc of lacrcd & holy matrimony, as if thcrt were nothing therin but waU Iswtng infifPjljplea/Hre,andfatttfjmg efbe^flly appetites* Wlwt , is it a matter of iacramcnc with the /* wallow in pejhly pleafure aKdfattf- fying of beajlly appetites^. Dotb he tcacb their marled Catholikc dif- ciplcs that they w^^liow i^fl Jhly plea/nreyam/attsfytKgof beafily appe- iTertMi.dfpad. fif^ji Sutely thc auttcient Church of Rome held U^ir moderaticnof u,iiiZZ.uo lMHs(by m^.riage)to be chaftity^'k% Tertulltan in bchalfc oiUUmams ibidimm p«^'«- Jvpbraidethchem,and?^/)ifc»/^rw/ informed thc Counccl of Nice fffff^ Ac what thcii iTial we thinke ot a filthy carion^that accountetW tnbitmr, caittm»- nothing to bc inmarijfge but wallomr.gtnplhly pleafure^ O'lattsjy'^ nUm apptiUuit, cf be afily appetites yZlxcxcby bUlpheming the lacred inltitution oj Godj & craducingall thofe holy men of God of whome before wa fpokcn,thatliued m maried ftate.Now further hce tellcth vsthat J Taulgiueth counfellto the marie d^to containe durmg the time ofprayeA where I leaue it to theCjgcntle Reader, to eftecme whether the man] were fobcr info reciting the words of thc Apoftle,^. Taf^le (ikhi: n I . Cor.7.^. n Dfffraudnot orie another except it be with confetftf&r a time , thatyei may attend to fa^t^g ^prayer*Which words haue manifeft refercc< to extraordinary occafions ofhrmbling our fclues to God , and d teftifying vnto him the griefc and forrow of our heaits , by dcpri- uingourfclucsofthc vie of all thofe things whereof wee take any ioyordelightaccordingcothc flefli, or to any fpeciall occafionjj of gathering our fpirics and foulcs more ncarely vnto God, where by it concerncth vs to depart,as I may fay fo much the further frori our felues. In this fort God H'hcn he was to giue the law to prepare the people to due reuerence and actentionjcommanded them three oExod.ij.iS- tj jies before ** to be/an5ltfied, to wa/h their clothes, and not to cornea^ their wines. Another time being greatly offended with them,hee p c^p.??» 5 commandcth them p to lay afide their ccfily raiment ythit thcy migh^ (hew the forow of their hearts by a neglect and carelefhcs ofch< attiring of their bodies. And thus we know,tIiat falling in fuch cafe is vfuaTly adioyned to prayer ,thac thc afHiding of the body ma} . * (harpci OfVowes. 1 07 5 Iharpcn and giuc edge to the affcftion of the fouie. Vpon fuch oc- cafions the Apoftle pcrmittcch lorac withdrawing of the husbandc from the wifc,but yet with this exception, that \thtc by conjent^nd b ut oncly/c r 4 timcyand t hen ctme together agatneyiiith he, thtit Sa- thantemptjiounotforjotirincfiWtKer.cfe. Where when he requircth confent^ he giucth to vndcrilandj that where there is neceflitic of fa- cing & prayer, and yet confent of defrauding cannot be obtained, their farting and prayer is to be vfcd without defrauding, beecaufc defrauding may not be without confenting. Now thefe wordes bcr longing to fpecialloccafions, and beeing only conditionalI,theRo- inilh hypocrites will haue to concerne all times, and tobeabfolyte- iy fo meant, as if ordinarily there cculd be no prayer where there ii the companie of man and wife. As if the Apoftle would fay. Let the husband (jiue to the rctf: due bennMolcncey and likewtfethetvifetothe i;«/^4^<^, and yet tell them withall, that if they doc fo they cannot pray»But the A poftle S, Veter in this and all other refpeftes wiUeth S husb^iids to dwellvciihtheir vriues as men of kjfovp ledge ^ giuing honor^ 1 P%■*(. ^^^f^'tishneff'etotheLord, Morcouer, after the dcuidingot their niftration were forbidden the company of their wiues. What then is it but fUperftitious hypocrifie, thacmaketh Romidi Prielles to fay they c;.nnot holily doc their ieruice vnto God, if they bee married as they were? It is well obfcrued by Clemem ^IsxmdnnHs X cUm. Strom, that " ths ^poflles EftftUs though gtutng innumerAble precepts ofmar- iib.^.^poftoii ri^e^atsd procreation of children^andgouerning thehou/c, yet deem mAtrimtnie & whereforbtd or abrogate hone ft and modeji martage^but keeping an ac I tberoTHmpro - cordbctw xt the law andthe GofpelL doe admit luth of the married and b,iiapr4cepta con^ the vnTtt^rxted^ Now it there be an accord to bee kept in this behalrc tonTpfZZ^ betwixt the la-^e and the Gofpell, and that the Apoftle did keepc, tttm^ mAtrimoni. then it IS manifcft that he determined not marriage to bee any hin- f^u^ucZTJ^n derancc to facred miniftrations in the gofpell, becaufe in the law it geiio/iruMtts was not fo » In a word, both Prieftes and religious, if they haue not vtrHn^l'd^ttmt the gift of continencie, are by mariage to bee fitted to the feruice of <^'- God, which in the pollutions of incontinencie they cannot doc as they ought to docMafler Bijhop faith^r^f-^ are bonndto chaHitie^nt that is not true. They are bound from mariage, but to chaftitie they cannot be bound.If they haue not the gift ot continencie, they can- notbechaH;, but are polluted and defiled both in body and ^oule, with vnchaft and lewd affections. But fuch pollution and vnclean-' neflc is no let with them to the feruice of God, oncly marriage is a let : polluted and defiled let them be,but maried they may not bee* i6, W« BisHor« 9Ve wiUdofe vp this point rtith fome fentences tal^n out oftheaun- cient Fathers y iuprajfe ofyirginitic^ which M. P ♦ #« alt this tjtieilion voHchfafethfcarce once to name^ as though Vtrgins and Virginity rveri no EngUJhwords^or not as plMne as continencie t S. Cyprian, Dc habitu Virginum, imitletkytrgins to bee the meSi noble and glorious perfons of Chrtfisfiocke ; andaddeth , that theyJhaB rtceiue of God the higheft reWArd and great eft recompence, S.Chry' 1 OfVoWfs. 1075" S. C h ry f jftonic * citeth, Virainttie so be the top offerfeU.on. and the I I n\ r "^ *IibJ.conr, htj^hc/ftfppeofvrrtur. y.tup.vit.nec«r. .^f:d Athaiiafius, Dc Virginitatc, inthtr ende hMrHctb out into • th-fc ypoordes '. O ZJirg:nitie, a treafure thut w.'Jlcth not, a^^trLiKdthat iTith, reth mt : th: Tt^ntplc ffCJcd, the VdlUce of the holy Cjhoji^ a fre- ctousjionef whofc price is not k»orpnc to the vutgar, the toy of the Tro' fhets , the glorte of the KApcfiies , the life ofxAnqels , the Qravtne of S.untr. S . Ambrofe Lib, i , dc Virginibus paulo poll ink. y/rgwitie is a prmcip.:llvertffe,andnct therfore commendable that it tsfonnd in Alar- tjrs, but beecanfe it m J^th 'JMartyrs : Who can with humane wit com" prehcnd tt, vfhtch nature doth not hold Tvithin her larves ? it hathfitched emof'heauenthat it might imitate on earth \ neither vnfitly hath it jo'.iqhtamxnmrofltfemheaHen^ rvhich hath found afpoHfe for her in hrauen. This furmo anting the cloudsy thefiarres and Angels hath found the n\ rdf of God in th^ bojome of his father t &c. See vho lift to read mere tf this purpofe the refl of the Fathers m their rvorkes ofFirginitie : of vphich moji ofth^ hane written, ^nd S . Icromc,wAtf is behind none of the reft m his bcokes againft louinian 4«<^Hcluidius, aUwhich doe mofi diligently exhort to vow virgtnitiejo teach how to keepe it,andmo^ ve^ hemently inutigh againft all them that doe breake it, ^nd if any beefo mad as to credit rather our flcjhly min/ftt rs , thi n all that honorable and holy Senate of the auncient Fathers j he defer ueth to liue avddie in per- petualld>irk»ejfe. In this muter 1 haueftayidfomewhat longer , heecaufe our carnull teachers ^ with the lewd example of their dtjjolute Difciples , hatie cor- rupted our age w:thfl:fi}ly andbeaftly liberty \ In the other point s^ 1 will . recompence it with b-euity. R.Abbot. .M.Verkins rather namcth continency then virginitie, becaufc virginitie noteth properly the ftatc of the body, but contincncie ig the vertu^t the minde, which goucrncth and pre(eructh the inte- gritieofthebody, Asforthofc great commendations which the fathers by hiin mentioned, tad other of them do gtuc to virginitie, ioj6 ofVdwes. wc fb much the Icflc rcfpeftthcnij by how much the more the Umt ' ^' fathers hauc made it appcarcvntovsjas -before wchaucleene, that • thofe commendations were but fnares and aduantages taken and . vfed by Sathan for the intangUng of many thoufand loules to finj^Sc to their ownc danination,Their immoderate and cxcediue opinion and extolling thercof,drew many thourands to vndcrtakethe pro- feflion of fingle Hfe, who when they neyther could performe what r they had vndertaken, nor might without reproch and infamy leauc their courfe, were content euen to caft themfclucs into the dcuils mouth, andbypra^ifeoflewd and vncleanehfe, to worke their ownc confufion and otherthrow. Albeit w^; would aske LA'i,'Bi/hop what it is,for which they commended virginitie in fo Jiigh meafurc and dcsrce ? I f they rerpe6lcd the intcgritie of the fleib, what was it more then was to be found amongft heathen idolaters, as in the ve- ftall virgins and others, or then is nowc to bee found amongft the Turkes ? If hec will fay that they refpefted it as dedicated to Ciod, why ihould they make that a feruicc to God , wherein they that knew not God,might glory as well as they, and wJiercin for it fclfc there was nothing that concerneth the fcruice of God? Ifhee will (ay that they conceiued it not as in it feltc to be a feruice of God, but onely regarded the imploying of it to thole thinges whereby God is lerued,they meant nothing againftvs, becaulcwealfoconceiuethc power of virginitie to be an excellent gift, and worthy to bee admi- red and honoured, where according to the frecdome and libertic thatitgiueth, it is faithfully beftowed tothc leruiceof IcrusCiiriftc An excellent gift I fay, as the gift of learning, the gift of eloquence, the gift of tongues & fuch Iikc,whlch may be in the euill as \kc\\ as in the good,& therefore are no othcrwife acceptable to God, but only in their vfc. No we as excellent gifts are very feldomc and rare ^ fo is it in this : many may be willing,but few attaine vnto it : and tber- forc it was the great oucrfight of many of the Fathers , [o promif- cuoufly to entertainc multitudes, and by luch bonds to ty c them to that kindc of life, whereto fo many were vnable, and wherjcofthey \ Mier»n.4iiM. fouud tlut to bc truc which Uisrome confciTeth, that^' tt was in very lTp7j^Ll'L?efl.^'^^JI^''^'g*»^ y^t'mfewetoperfeuere, Astouching tL^rlayings ftrfeHerarcp*Mc«' whJch M,'Bifhop allcdgcth, they needc not much to bee Itood vpon. r«w. If they (pcakc of virginitie in the two former forts no we mentioned, they ofvmes. I077 dicyfallof thcnifclucs. If in the laft meaning 1 anfwcr , let vir- gins be according tothepattcrnc which they defcnbcj"^ that there ccjfrUt,.j,hsi. i>einthemnodefiruof thefiefhandofthe body, and there rename in ^''S^l"^ <''/'• thcmonely the thwgsoj vtrtue and ojthe Jp'rit for the receiutKO 'efctrp»runuiufttnt. hi\-zuet}!jglcrjfy and wee will honour them as the niore excellent ^''^JJ^f^"^** portion ot'tiie Lords flock5and the top ot Chriilian per!:"e6^ionjnoti?">'>'«'»'^i^<>r/-in tor tlieirvirginity but for their piety ,whereof not withftanding thcy*^""**^*"""' l.aue tiie better opportunity by virginityj and only (o as that it ma- ricdpedbns (hall equall them in piety, they lliall Hand as high as th cy . The faying ot^thanafins as he alleadgcth it is a countcrt'cit, neither was .^7 /?4>/^y/«i- the Author of any io bale a worke. The words here cited do Ihew tiie fingular vndifcretion botli of the A u- ihor tliat wrote tliem,& M, Btjhop that cited theni,in tl)at he callcth virginitic the toy of theTrefhtts^Kridthe glory ofihe ^pofi/esywhcn in a manner alI,both the Prophets & Apolilcswerc maricd men and notvirginsj and the life cf Amels.whtnizh^i. thing nothing con- cerning Angels, Thcfearebut flourifliesofvainevviiSj whichre- rpedl not how fubftantiall, but how glorious th'eir words be. And to fucli Rhctoricall amplifications, ^yimbrofe as touching diat mat- ter ot virginitie is too much affcfted,and appropnateth thofc things to the deuotion of virgins, which nothing hindcreth, but that they fliould be common to the faith and deuotion of njaried eflate. He fo fpeaketh as, if heauenly hfe were onely to bee found in virgins, wiicreasinmariedperfons the Scripture feitcth before vs thefpcciall examples and patterncs thereof As for Hter^mcy ho rcedethnoccnfureofours, being of old fufficicntly cenlured by the Church of Rome, as before hath bene fhevvqd . Wee reue- icnce his learning, but yet wee cannot but acknowledge in hini , loiue want both of modertic and pietfc, wherein a propoftcrous Jiumour of extolling virginitie, hee fpeaketh bafely and rudely con- ccrningmariagc,anddoubtcth not to tranfcribc into his workcs thofe Icntcnccs and arguments, which Tertt^llian in his Iicrcfie vfcd to the ramepiirpofc againft the Church, as to him that comparelh h\yt\>\iWcadGcrcnttamdeMomgam$a, andfirltbookc againll/«'« ««;.?» to />r/«///.t»:j-bookc de Monog^^mi.jy will c.ihly appcare. To be lliort ,all the exhortations & rules that they could vie tor the kec ping of virginity, could not auaile, but that the ftinkc thereof hath alwaics. loyS ofVmes. alwaics bene lothfome to the world. They fct bankesagainfta ftrcamc that could not be ftaicd, and thereby caufed a deluge and oucrflowing of great vncleannefle,Which if Cbrj^^ojicme faw to be fuchjas that he heldit better there fhould be no more virginssas be- fore was Qie wed, what fhall wee but take them wilfully to dwell in darknejQcjWho after fo much further cxpcrience,continue to roain- taine that damnable vow, which all Chriftian ages from the time that it Brd began, haue had caufe to rue.As for the mmiders they liue in chad and lawful! mariage,as the Prophets & Apoftles haue done, and can for that bee no more accounted carnall and flefhly then they were , yea and they think that the wals of the ftewes and S urgeons inftruments beyond the feas,and the confeflion dofets of many female Reculants at home will beare witneflc at that day that they haue not bene io carnall and fleihly as Romilh Prices* 17 W. B I s H o p» ^oncerniMg the vow offouertie and monafitcalllife^ in which^as M» VcT)Ka\%acknledgethymen keHow all they haue vpcn the pofirf,Mtd gme themfilttes to VKt^er and FaJliMg:yet hee is r.et a^amed to a* uouch that this vow is againji the wtllofGod , and ajfayeth to proofte it: A6is cap* jo.veri'c^s* ^^^^^ ^^o'^c blefl'ed thing to giue, than to receiue. Anfwer ^s the verypropofition^that it is difileajing to God to cut off ail cares of the world, and to hee take eurfelnes rrholy to his helyfer- uice and contemplation of heauenly matters^ is in it J elf e prophane and vngodly^f) the proof e thereof is deuoid of natar all wit and fence tM^rke the ^rgumentilt is again/} GodswUlto giue away allybecanfe it is mere bleffedto gi'4e than to receine: Why, if it be a more blejfed thing to giue', then they plea/e ^od be ter that gi^ie. So that this his proof e,im' prcoues flatly his owne ajprtion'.But the dreamer meanes perhaps that ffyougiue all at onceyou piallnot be able to giue afterward, bnt rather fiandtn neede to receiue. Reply iBut nofuch humane prudence can be drawne out of that fen tence,whichencourageth rather to^ giue for the pefentythen to prouide for hereafter. Th: true meaningof the flace^is to exhort ^hriftiant to labour and traudile Ofvmes. 1079 trMHMiUy 4t vdcmt times tt^et their owne Unittgy Mndttprouide fomc- thing alfo to hejiow vpon them whojiandin neede rdther then to be idle, andtofiAndmKeedeof.t/mes^asS, ]?Z\Ahimftlfe dtd: whuhthey dtd hejl perform; ,n4jo h^idfold al they hada^d difirtbhted it to thf fotrc^as the ex.xmfle of Paul h$mfe^fe^andthe frji Chrtjiians dothfuffittc nt/yde' dure ^rvho fold all jitndUidthe price lit t he ^pofilesfeete, - * h^A- R. Ah B OT. He hath promifed vs here to be fliorc,and I will promifc him not to be very long, becaufc ot this matter fufficient hath beenc faid be- ^ ^^^ j„ forc,in ^ anlwerofthcepiftle tothe King. Thisvovvof pouerty,a$ was there faid,is but a branch otthe herefie ot the Euchitcs or Mel- falian htre:ikes,who in like fort as Popifli Monkcs did protclle '' to \ t>'f^"»*'«'^ «® renoHrtce the vourldj and to drptirtfrom their goo is f hantng anj thing of ,,nH»cnuti mt t hi ir owne , tier Any poff. Jfion vpon earth, andthereforeJlretchifJi forth '^>*"'f*'"i'r»' th^ haijdyana higgtr.gasnot h^umgnothtngwhereoj to Ime, otlierwile ri:t,&c.K,u h^- Q^nuKg thcmfelHcs wholy to pr.^yer^und ^praymgfo mfich,{\\^[\ S. Auftm '^;'J^;£;;Z'r. .t J msghtfeem'^ incredible to them that heare of it, Thcy caried as good rtExttniunt md^ Iv alhcwasthati5that/i^. ^//Z»<7/j here alledgeth, buttheirrcnoun- "^^J/JZu>&* ciugottiic world and praying was adiudged hereiical,andfois that xih,ip,jfidit,>,&t ihathedefendeth, and fomuch the more damnable forthcfupcr- ^^^„'^'*^^'^*''* fticions and blafphemies that are added to it, as touching heauenly c^»s.d'^>*"f- perfection, fatiiiadion for finncsjmerit of fupcrerogation , whereby , 'ua^,lld!^tL» til c V are able to giue fpirituall helpe towards the faumg ot tlic foulcs '""^'«'" mfrtMiu, oiothermcn.Hc ulkctho^cfittingcfworldycAresc^ hetiikingm^ns feluesvholyto the feruice of God^andcotempUtion oj heauenly n:a.tiers^ but he knoweth that their vow ofpouerty hath not cut off worldly carcSjbutliathfcnt their begging Friars vp& down the country, & hath fct them a workc to be fcraping & craning, that they hauc had laial leifurc to the contemplation ot heauenly matters. The contem- fUtion of hiauenly matters is a goodly fpecch , but alas it is a matter that they for the moll part arc little acquainted with:thcir rifingw?s tlie fall ot all learnine & it was grown to a by. w ord/' More vnle^r- »'• '>>«•/?"• <^9 mdthen a AfoKke.Sc therrorc very vntit were they tor the cotcnipla- /^ 6. „.|S. tion of heauenly matters. In a word,it is well knowne that without the vow ofpouerty, men haue more fruitfully giuen tlicmfclucsto the contempiauon of heauenly things, then eucr they haue done in theprofclTion of that vow. They hauc lewdly abufcd the world, and vndcr lo8o OfVmes. viiiler pretence of poucrt!c,haueibcftirrcd and buficd themfelues by begging, to cngrolk and clafpe into their handcs the riches and picaluSsofthc world, and whileft they had nothing in propric- tic, they had la communitic whereof to hue hke Epicures and bel- ly jiods, and were nothing leflc then tliattliey would fceme to be. But to come to the peine. Maiilcr Verkins agamilthc vow oFpoucr t-Aa :o j$ tie or beggcne, alledgeth the words of Chnil,' It is a more bleljei, thingtogtuethento rectim . LM.BtJhap fayth, that thts frooje is denoide ofnattiraliyvit and fence yd^nd callcth him a dreamer tor the al- ledging of it. But would not a man thinkc Maijier'^i/bop himlelfc to be out of his wits, that would giue this anfwerc, and by and by confcffc that Maifter Verkins cited the place in other meanmg J Heewell knowcththatthevowofpouertie importeth a condition andftaceoflifcfor thetimetocomCjandimpliethgiuing but one- ly accidentally, becaulc amanthathath foraething", muft nccdes eiue that away before he can be in ftate to hauc not jimg^ but if hec hauc nothing, hec can giue nothing, and yet that is no impeach- ment to his vow. The argument then ftandcth good, that becaufe itis a bleffingofGod to bee in ftate to giue rather then to receiue, therefore for a man to renounce that ftate, wherein God hath made liim able to giue,and by a vow ofpoucrti': to bind himfclte to a ftate whenn he muft begge and receiue of othcrSjis wilfully to renounce the blefiing ot God , and wiriclly to vndertake that which God f pfal.105.iO. j|,j.£jjfncth to the wickedfor a curfc , ^ Let his childnnhevrigahondi mdbeggtbetr bread.lhQ words of Chrift do plainly inftrutt vs to take luch courfc, and to maintainc fofarre as we can that condition of hi'CjWhercin we may haue to iTicw our charity & loue,as occafion feriieth, to our brethren that ftad in need But this Ad^.BiJhcp calkth ham-me prudence ', andtelleth vszh3.tthefeK(ef7ce rather ercourageth 1 0 giue for the prefenty then toprouid^for hereafter. The fentence in- dccedaencourageth to giue, but it teache:li a man (o to e,iue,as re- mcmbring alwayes, thatitfyab/ejfedrhingtogiueK^ther then to re- fftf/^^andthereforcfotogiuejas thatftillhe may giue,andnot wil- fully to put himfclfc in cafe to receiue onely or beg,and not to giue* And this is not to be carefuUof prouiding for hereafter, but onely nottotemptGodbycareiefnes,andbywilfullvnprouiding S<, de- priuing himlclfc of that which God hath prouided for him whereof to do good,and to ihew mercy both for ihc prdent & for hereafter. Now Now he that vpbraidcd MVerkihs cucn now to bee dcuoicic of na- tural! wit and lence, is hiinfclfc Jiere fo witlclTe & fcncclcficjas iliat lie fcctli not Ills ovvnc anfu-er to make dirc6^Iy againll himlclfc.Fof if ihc place dotli teach men toUhoy.rA-.idtrandl/hat they may h^m to l?e[ivTf> vpoti ethers thdt need, then iwxzly it condemncth tlicni who make a vovv,t]iat tiiey neucr will haue any thing to giue to the liiac lUndin need.i". PW laboured that lie might haue of his ownc to lupply hisovvne neccflity,and to help others. So did ihey,(aiih L^. 3tfhop,i\-\dX. fold their lands, 6c laid the price downc at the Apoftles tecc So doth .9,?'^*/ teach all \\\cv\,^Lethim th/it fio/ejlea/e uo mere e^f^'A-^f- hut let htm rather Ubour Cf rvorke vtth his hands the thin^ that is focdy that he may h.iue togi'4e vntohim that tuedeth.But the vow of poucr- ty <3c beggery , difablcth a man for eucr from being capable of any thmg of Jus owne , whereof hee may minillcr to them that necde. This vow therefore is contrary to thofe rules and precepts which the ApoftlcgaueforthediredbonofChriftian life. 1 8. W. BisHO p. Thenextp/^ceis,* Giue mc neither riches nor pouerty. •Pio.o.f* KniwcT,! heVrAjens gcfdjirtdfitteth the per/ens cf honefi men rrho liue in the vpcrldycmdrvus of feme ferfeElton too in theflate of Mo- fcs luvoyin which it ivas made, as d/Jfrvading from couetonfneffe cf great riches Jbht tt commeth toofhort of the perfeEiion of the ^ofpell, wherein ' wr arc ctMnfelledtt efieeme as dung allwrldlyrtches, R. Abbot He blamed Ai. V er kins Sin(wcr in the former Se6lion3as deuotdaf natural wit andfe»ce,hin I pray thee,genilc Reader,if thou light vp on him to askehinijwhere his wittes were when lie gaue this anlvvcr ■Jo thconepartheanrwcreth,a^/«rw°S pMtyG^uemenotfofterty, which is the thing vrged againft him hec fit-A'crerh nothing. We are counfelkdm the CJcjpel^ht ii\cih,to efleem as dnng allw-rldly riches.lxwt t<. therefore we lay Gtuc me not rtches. But yet in the Gofpeli wee are taught to pray for tliat that is conuc* nicntaccording to our place and condition,vvhenwefny, Gih: vs this day our duly bread, and therefore vvc i^y. Cjtne me nctponerttey whereupon it is addedj Fee,ic m?ewtthf»€de con'ter.izntf rme. J he \frdttr,^zv:hhcfittiththe perfonscf ho^ufi men (hat h-etn the wcrld. Hypocrite who taught the this dillmdion of praicrs/' liaththc fpirit I. »\om.i; 1082 ofrmes, IpiritotGodfetit downc asapraicrofthcwifcftman,&isitnow come to be polled oucr 10 1 know not vhat honeft men ? It ivas of /ime perfeBtoM yhci^ith tin the cH4te ofMoici Uwy but commethtoo Jhortoftheperfe^ion of the GofpdU Hypocrite, the Apoftic hath taught vs,that'' rvhatfoeuerthmgs were written before time,if ere writ ten for onr learningi^nd muft wc vpon the word of an idle .Jophiftcr be pcrfwadcd, that that praicr is too bafe for vs to leamfA nd what? were not men taught in the ftatc oiMofes lavtr, to cfteeme as dung c pfai.ei.io. 3^^ worldly riches?Did not Dauid fay;' If riches tncreafefet not jour ^ t'rou. >?.5. h.-art vpon themXis.^ not Solomon fay of riches, ^ Wilt thou cafithint c hia.40.6. eta vpon that that is nothing^. Did not Efay fay,« ^llfefh isgraf[e^mA All the glory thereof as the flower of the ^eldl Were they not as fully taught to dtfpifc the world, and to icy in God as wc arc.? But the man fo drcameth ofperfeHion^perf^lionf^s that wee may very well thinkc, that there is fome very great impcrfcdion in his head, In a word therefore, God hath taught a man to [ay,gtue me mtpoiferty, but they teach a man to fay , I will vow poucrty^and what doe they then but teach a man to contrary that which God hath taught? 19, W« Bishop. * M. Perkins hist bird rea fonts taken out of Dcm.iS .i2.where pouertj IS nuwbred among the cnrfes of the law^none of which are to be vowed, An(v/cr,It is one thingto be puni/hed with ponertyfor tranfgreffmg cfGods law ^andanother^I trow) for the lotic cfGcdtogiue away all we h-tne tothepoore : The former was acurfedin the law of Mofcs, thelat- ter is a bleffing andthefirjl blcjfmg in the ^ off ell: * Bleflcd are the poorcjfortheirsisthekingdomeof Jicaucn; fVhichJentence, albeit It may be apphedvery well vnto hpimiltty,yet more literally figmfieth vo- « Ver. ij. luntary^ouerty^as by thefentence cppofedagainB tt is man'^ifi. * VVoe be to you rich men,&c. R. Abbot. a peut. 18.44. ^^^^ words o^CHoJes are^ Thejlr^ngerjhalllendto tbee^and thoH b Ver.48. Ihalt not haue to lend to himP Thoitjhalt ferne thine enemies in hunqer 0- thir^^and tnnaktdnes^andin need of all things. Chrift hath taught V s beforcjthat it is a blc(ting to haue whcrof to giue jand UMofes tea chcth vs that it is acurfeto be in v*^ant,& not to haue whcrof to led & what is the the vow ofpouerty but the renouncing of a blcflTing and the voluntary vndcrgoing of a curfcJ ALBtJhop anl wcretb, that of y owes. loS; it ij §ne thing to be fmijhed wtt h f oner ty for trafgrtjftng the law ofCedy Mnctherferthe Uue efCeelto^ihe tilito thepoore.But thcii it doLc for the louc ot God,wlicn G od callcth vs Co the doing of it j othcrwife it IS no matter oi: the louc ot God, but of humane Prcfumption and fclfc wil .Therefore his afwer here is al onc^as if he i/iuld lay,Itis ont thing for a man to bcaccurfcd otGod, another thing roluntanljr to lay Gods curfc vpon himfcltciand how wcl thatfcrueth his turnc I let himlclfc ludge. Yet he VYiIl prouc that it is a blejfmgyj/ea thcfirft I hlejfmg in the gcjpe/. And how?tor(both bccaufc Chnft faith/ B/(Jfed ^j^, ^^^ I 0ite the foore^or theirs is the ktngdcm tfheAue^Nt may fee the poorc i man wasdriuctopoorcfbifts,v\hcnhewasfaineto vfe this text for the making good ot his vow ot pouerty.lt his leiOirc had fcrued him he would haue turned to thcfitt oiM^thew^ & there haucfeen our Sauiour expouding hinildF/^/«'jJr^4rr /^r/?c»rf injpirit ^for thetrs ** ^^^ the kj*tgdont of hcahcn.lsow ^mzny^oxAd think that ^♦^i/Z'c/)/ lear- ning (nould haue taught him long before this, that a man may bee rich m worldly goods^and yet f oorc in fpiric jand that vndoubtedlv Abraham the fichcr of all bclceuers was fuch a one.Yca faith hcc, it may we 1 be appl \cdto burnt lit ie^ yet mere Uterallj it fignifu. th volun" tary^caertj And hovv' may chat appeared forfooth bjthefrnttrceff- • ^Jed^igatnsliti tt ts m.^nifcfl^Wo be loyourichmen.h^tlmiXXitX what ftrings \JM* 'BiQjof hath to tic thisarouraent together. Chnrt faith, W*/'f;#j#«r/V/7«rU! in thi lining God. Ciirilt hauing llicwed the end of chc man chat truftcd in riches, addech,*^ So ttenery one that g^ithcreth riches to him- hiukeii ii. felfe,t Gcd.Wo be tociicm chacare rich in this world and 4i'c not ridi in Godjbut a man may be rich iu this world; ^ ycc Zz2 ncii •i.Theff.t. I0g4 OfVffWfS. rich in God alfo by acknowledging fpiritually his ownc poucrty in himfcif.and rccciuing all things of Gods mercy. Seeing therefore a man mav bee rich according to tiiis worldc, and yet none of them to vihomQhn^^vxh^fV0lfctorichmin,{\ixc\y nothing hindercthbuC that a man may be rich, and yet may bee one oit)\oic foore vvhomc Chrift pronounccth to be blcfled, & thcrforc M, BiJhopsSLT^umcnz is idlcjand proucth nothing lcfl"c,thcn that Chrifts (entcncc is to be vndcrltoode of voluntarie poucrtie, fo that ftill it rcmaincth good, that the vow of pouerty and bcggcry is the voluntarie cafting away of th c blcdiog of God, and the vndcrtaking ef his curfc* io* W. Bishop, Thfis M. Perkins his texts rfScnfture againji fouertt! failirtg^ himy hefetch:th abont another way, frying that it ts a ml: of the hely GhoU ; He that will not labour( namely tr/fomef^eciallanii warrantable cal" /i»^)muftnotcatc*, Anf./ allow both the text and the glojfe^andfind nothhig there agatnfi religiousperjonsy whofecalling is fpeciallperfcU .andtherefote bcfi war- rantable\HOtfi(fa$th he)becaufe theygme thejelftcs to prayer c^f^/liffg^ what aprcfane fiH/ftditie ts this? Is not ahfcgitien to prayer andfaHing Agreeable to the w il of God and laws cfhis church Xalheit many religions men do oner ar.dbejides very great ferntces to Gtds church^in preaching, teaching andivriting ofmojl learned bookl^ut fuppofe they did nothing elfe but fajl and pray, did they not very well defer ue their [uflenanceiyes much better thenthey which tranell all the y: are about theprouidmg of it. For in vaine do men labour if God blcjfe not their worke wi'.hfeafo nibble weather y which he doth rat hrr at ih; prayer and tnFlanre cffjch good inr.ccent foteles that are to be fed with it, then for the Vbugh-mant own: laborsfake.tAnd tfby their fafling^ watching ayidfuch like affe^i- ons of their bodtesy they do partly fatisfi: for our fuperfuous pampering efthefie/h, andteachvsly their go^d example to bridle and correal it t do they not deferue at our hands hsdtly fuHenancef .Andwho better per* form:s dlduttes ofthefecondtablethcn they, beiigmofi cbrdienttoaS theirfuperiours, andnot hurtingtheir neighbour inlife, ferfon, oranie manner ofthf'tr goods} Andfo in theirfeuerAll callings offend nohoneSi men, and doe much good both vnto the Church and Ccmmon-wealth, R» Abbot. . 2.Thefl:?.io, if5,p^^/ vyiic he faid,' He that will net Ubor^let him mttate,did take praying of y awes. Io8f praying to be Iabonng,thcn the Mcilalians had as wel to anfwcr for chcmfclucs as the begging Fricrs.bccaufc they tooke as great paines in praying as the begging Friers can doryea thofc idle loiccrcrs^con* ccrningvvho the ApofUe fpeakcthjhad iiifficicnttoanfwerfcr them fdues, thac tiicre wasrealon for them to eatc becaulc they did pray« Surely Mn^tfbof i«a good proftor for iuch thrifrles drones, who wil be concent co pray apace, (5c as mucii as the Friers do, if that tcay bee reckoned a labor forwhich to require their meat.Buc prayer is a c6- monduty (Scfcruice of all callings, & not adirtinftlaborofany one Till CM.JBtfljof blotted this paper, I chink it was neuer rcad,that prai cr & farting was a calling,lauc only in the conceit of thofe Euchitcs or Mc(ralians,of who 1 rpak,aibeic chcy indeed failed not.But wher as Al^'Pcrkins raith,that men liuing a partj& giuing thcmfclues cnelj to praicr Sc faftingjdo liuc in no ciX\\D^yM,'BtJhcp bccaufc he cannot prouc the contrar)',beggcthit.fF/?/rM frff<:ne jhiiduis ts thts,{i\th he? is not a hfe^inen to pray :r (wdfaj}'tng{-^\xt in as it fl.ould be,oflr/jp t» prAjer atid failing )Aor:cablt to the vfiliJGod ami Uvrts tfhis Chun hi You lliouIJ HOC luuc asked the qurfticn Jlf.'Sifi/cp, but hauc proued it ib ro bc,bccaulc chcrin llood the qucflion, w hich ic was your ftu- pi Jiric not to fce.lhe argument propoundeth to youjihat ic is neccf lary for eucry man to labor in ferae calling,i;hac he may haue accor- ding to Gods ordmace whcrof to eate«lc ailcdgctl. that to hue apart & to be giuen only to praier & faftingjs not to labor in a calling & do you aril wer al with. Is ic net fo.' To make vp the mactcr,he addcch that mtwy religious men doe ouer and befide vtry great fern tees to Gods chftrchjiftpreachiKg.teachsfjg ar.d rvriting tfmcji learned hcck^,Yct fay vvcl A^.BiJhopS^cii me becaufe they laboi'jmay iuftly cate, but liitle matters arc accidciital,and their vow 6c religion may iland vv itliout them,and therefore the matter isnotanlwcred by them.l admit that wliich he faith, butthcremighthere worthicftorics be told of tiic preachings oftheirrnersof all forts. But c^.^V^-y/jhinifclfc kno- wing that this is but impertinent,goeth on: Skppe^'c thty dtd ^.oihs^g elfe hut fan and pray y dtd they not vcrj welldeferue theirjMi}eHance ? I f they di i nothing but faft and pray, it fliould bee with ihcm accor- ding to the A poftlcs rule, bccau(cthen they fhould eate nothing. Butnowebeefidc fafting and praying they eate alio, which the A- poftlc faych chcy (liould notdoc,becaufc they do not woike. They fail a little, chacthcy mny eate enougli, and ihcrc is no idle lozcll Zzzi but IoS6 OfVmes. butvirouldbeconcentmththcirfalling, fothach^e may haue their diet othcrwifc. In a word-, M. Btfhop may kcepc hisopinion to him (eIt'C5but the Apoftic fufificicndy teachcch vs, chat beccaufc they la* bour not, therefore they doe not lo well delcr uc lultcnance as thcjr who labour all the yearc tor the prouiding of it. Asforthebleffing ofGodj itdcpcndcthnotvponthc prayers of fuch who haue no warranttor the ilatc of life wherein they pray: and the ploughmans prayer is more acceptable to God then theirs, bccaufe he followeth that rule of life which God hath taught, who neuer prcfcribcd anic rule of Monkifh trade. (?fr«^y*W^/,(aith hee, whereas by all ftories It appeareth that there harh not bcenea more ftmkingvcr- mine vpon tiie earth : cuen fome of their owne men haue diicoue- redthcmfotobcc. ButcJ^.5//i&fl'^isnotfatisficd, vnicflc to folly hcadde blafphemie, faying, thoxthcyfatisfieforourfupttflHouspam- ferwg ofthefielb. Impious man,Chrill is the (atisfadtion for our finf what haue we to doc with the (atisfa6^ion$ of wretched men, who damnably finne inthofe thinges wherein they take vppon them to fatisfie for others fins ? And what, M,Bi/bop^ is there iny/ffperflnoMt pamperingof the flejh tobccfound amongftyou.? Alas how haue yc decciuedvs all this while? We thought that you had bene nothing but fpiritj and ih^t fuferfluoHs pampering oftheflejh had beene oncly amongil vs, But your teeth would haue bit your tongue, ifyee had not fomcwhat told vs truth. Take it to yee M. BiSbopSox it bclon- geth CO none more rightly then it doth to you , and the example that yee lay becfore yee fitteth accordingly. But to fliut vp all this matter, hec tellcth vs that none performe all Auties ofthejecotid uble hetterthen thej. As howc .*' They are mtji obedient to theirfitperioffrs, God hath commaunded them to obey and honour their parentes^ their princes and goucrnors, and thcyileaue thefe at fixe andfeuen IS they lay, to performe obedience toother fuperiours (uperftiti- ouflydeuifedoftheirownc. They many times impioully with the lewcs cafl: off the relpc^i of their parents by pretence of their vows^ they withdraw themfelues into lurking dennes from feruicc to their princes and publike (late, yeamany times theynourifh rebellion and trealbn againft them, and yet they are moll obedient of all o- cher, being not at all obedient to them whom God hatbcomanded them to obey. Againchee faith, theyhHrtmtthetrneighbourinlife^ f«r/hn»ranjmitmcr»fio9df. Yea but thclifc ofa C^nllian manne conr OfVowes, ro87 confiftcth not in doing no hurt oncly, vnlcflc he alfodo good tnd what good do they / It is doing good that Chrift (hall commend at the lalt day, »» I was hungry andycgauc me meate,andthtrJhe,AMtije b Mat., 5.54 . gaue me drmke. On the other fide, Jic (hall obie6t the want ot doing good / 1 TV AS hungrj Andjegftue me n§ meAte^ andth'trfite Andjegaue ' ^"' *^ me no drmke. And what fliall tlic Monkes then fay ?0 Lordjthough wc did thee no good, yet we did thee no hurt. Wc had wherewith to fccde thee, and to cloth thee, and to harbour thee, but wee gauc all away at oncc,and made avow that wee would ncuer haue any thina againe to doc thee good ; thou Iljouldeft therefore ftaruc and pcrim tor hunger and cold, but lookc for nothing further at our hands. Wc were content tofaft and pray according to our rulcand to fpcndc our time in fuch witlciTc obfcruations as our foundcri dircdedvs for matters ofgreatpcrfcftion; but as for ihofc thinges which tliou iiart required , wee left them to men of more bafc and vnpertc(Sftatc, as nothing at all concerning vs. This is their beg- ging Friers condition oi life, and this is that performing of the du- ties of the fccond table which i^,^iy!&c^fpcakcth of. They faft and pray,but do no good at all,neither to Church nor commonwealth, ney thcr had) any kind of men becnc generally more offenfiue and pernicious ihf^Ti they haue becnc. a I. W. Bishop, ^fferA/lthss wajie vfinde^M.Vcrkins ccfifejfethjthata m4H mAy t/po» a fpfcia/hAl/tng fe^U/i his gocdSy At the Afoji/es did. Wh^.t then (good Str) fhallbeciipte ofjturfcrmer arguments ? may one then vovf Acurje of the Lavr, And Uahc tjfp ray it for neither poHcrtie nor riches, and/ay that tt is not n bUj[eder tbingtogtus then to recetue, y^ II th^fe Argy-ments vphKhrvererc^jUome ef great force y mufl nowe i^finothingwtrth, heemtfe itflenfeth M«Pcrknt, the wind now (its in An other corner, fuch weAthercocktfurely are to ke tmtch rejpcflrd. Hefaithfurther^ intimeofperJecMttonamnnmayalfoleaueflll: he fjould r,: ther hAuejaydJhe muft leAue Alior elje Iffe alfor the ferjecutor pcill net [pare htm. Lajlly^hee doethnot condcrmte old.wnctent monkf, )»ho Imedifythe fweatecfthetr krowes, A^d were mArried mrny of them, as heejkyth I hut hu Authors citedfuynci fo, neither (hdl hi heabie t§ ctte oneauncifnt allowed avd Approved writer , who fajth Z^^i th.tt lo88 Of y owes. that the MncientmwkfstiHedvuththetrwiuss^ ifferh*ps they kidde heene married hefore.'BHt ntm.trmlltfjlefhljimintlicrsth'mkett no life withoHt th.'irflejhlj mxtes. yAsforUbouring at vacant ttmeSytt was ttl- waytSt and is ta this day in ^ra^ifeamongmany religions* if other doe tn goodjiudtssywrtting or teaching imploy that time cf UhuTyno donU IfMt thej doefarre better, R.Abbot «|itck.4n' cLukel4.ft$ There is no man but cafily conceiucthj that thofc thingcs many times which otchcmfelucs arc vnlawfull and wicked in vs, yet arc hwfulland necefTary when God commaundcth them, Ic had bin a wicked thing in ^^r4/;»t/w of his ownc head to attempt the kil- ling of his fon, but it was an a6i of religious and godly obedience when God required it. It is dcfperatc vvickednefle for a man wil- fully to call away his ownc life : but at Gods commaundcmcnt to offer and y eeld his life, it is right and iuft. It was vnclcannes in Mb- fcslaw to touch any excrement or dung : yet when God appointed *E^echielCo to doc, it was no vnclcannelTcThc levvcsdid fin gric- uoully in bindmg thcmfelues by vow not to honour their parents: and yet when Clinft callcth, no man may fay ^ Let me fir fi go and bu- rie my father : yea ^ he that hateth not father and mother ^ faith Chrift, he cannot be mydifcij^le, Eucn fo albeit it be fuperilit'ious and finfuli of our owne heads to rclinquilh the ftatc of life whcreunto God hath called vs,vndcr pretence andx:olour of giuingour felues idlcly to prayer and fafting,yc.t ij: isfacftd and holy obcdicnrc to Icauc all when God callcth from all, who yet neucr callcth vs in the leauing of all thingcs to vow the ncuerhauing ofany thingagainc. Thelc cafes arc (enfible and manifcft,ncithcr was there caufc for Ai.BiJhop to t3\keoi wind and wethercockeiw Miferktns, but ratlicr to wilh better difcrction and vndcrftanding to himfclfe . As for the aunci- cnt Menkes, albeit m.iny of them were very ablUrd and fcnflclTft hypocrites, yet wc dcnic not but many that went vndcr that name were iurt and holy men, trained vp as in our vniuerfitics to vertuc and learning, that they might afterwards (erue for the minillcry of the Ch\irch.M,BiJhop would gladly^etribute to their Monks fome imitation of tlicm, butit flickcth betwixt his teeth, and he knoweth MOt well how to bring i( ouu They are To vnhke thcm^tbattbey are fcant ofVffwes. loj^ icanc worthy CO be accounted as apes in compariTonofmcn.That wJiidi M-^erkift^ lauh ointaricdAIonkjyitXiktnonx.ciS.^uJlin, though he cite not the pIace,who letting down the hcrcfie of them ^ ,^^ ,* ;,^, ., that were called'* ^fcJielictii^\ih,ihiX arrogantljthtjjocfilledthem- ^fii»i<«^mft' /eluesyforthatthejirecemedmt tr.to thc$rccff}mtimon^\ J EKJ E S f,Jf"TiZZ'riTt CONIVGIBV S,/fi(h as h/;d ccmpunj/with their tfiuesdrftjfef- ?•"' •" '♦'^•<»'- /cdanything0fthcirecv>nc (faith he) as the CAtholtcke Church hath \1p:ZZ1!!:, man-i,h»th Mcnh And Clerqie men. Let MXifhsp tell vs the Enclifh '"X*^*- 6- r#;f r.. i I 1. II tii/-«.iPi PriMptfTidtntit ctvtef]tescemf>rrpeakethjbutL^« c,ifiHr>m»i. 3i/^-(7p/toriner acknowledgement concerning themfelucs of their ;y»;?^r^o«/c<«i»/?^riwj^pf/^/^/'y^, doth fully aflurcvsjihat for lawtiill ] wiues they betake themfelucs rf)/^)^/)'W4rfj-, and that it is true of I diem now which in the Parliament of England vpon the com- c c fc«.fi;.rf/ mik I plaint otthc filthy Scdomie that was found am.onglt thcni,wa$/'*"'^-^'''*'^''^ I faid of their vnmaricd Clergic,that« the d^Untte fare ofiheQn^ie 'ufi^LZ'Zi l',i \ wt n did require either a nature /huraaticn or a Tuorfe. n*s»TtUmfuri*u 22. W. Bishop. ^""'"• Ik dr fence ft the CathoiikefArtie,'M.PcT]ans hathnot arvord^wher^ fire I vtUbriefyftifjily his rpant^ndfrtueitto be verjgrMefullto god to fill fill ar.dgtue itto thefocre. 1 cmtt the example •four 3. SauieUr (vrho vtuld not haue anjpeore cottage ojhts trpne^fo much at to refi his head mjfut vculd vrkely line of AlrrTcs)and come vrto this heauenly define,* He teacheth ajongwan tfhcm he loyed^ wfLt rrotds. That if he wold be perfc6^ he fl culd go and fell all he had, and giucittothepoorc,andcome 6c follow him and then lliouid haue a treafure in he2uc, The/e words ^refe txfrefe andeuidcr.t^ihat there can be but one way toPtiftfrom thcm^v ku h W , Fcr.ftrth VMtOjpag.7 44/0 VFit^thi\t theje words ware only mea>:t vnto thAtyoygmati,andn$t to be affliedvnto anyotherSy r.omore thenthofe words to Abraham of/acrtfirmg htsftn Ifaac. But thisft'/yfnft (f our poore Tret /"fats is ccrfutcdwanifefilyinthe fame chapter (j S, Mathc W where a little after S.^cl^v faith, Lord behold we haue left all things and haue followed thce,what reward fhall wee therefore haue:^it they IhAlltherefore fit with him in tweluefeatesj^ndgi *ig the twdne tribes oflfratlU^nd that who^ foeuer woHldftrfaktfdtherymother^ldndsygoodsy ^c.for his fake [hould. receiHc an hnndrcdfold^andpo^e^e life etterUflmg , Can any thing beg morepUine cut of the rvordofGod itjelfe^then that not this or that man^ but whofestier ^al for fake all for Chriji doth v:rj ble^edly ^xAnd if need werefIc:>uldcitemofiofthea'4neient Fathers teaching thofe words $f Chri^^Go and fell al V. that we thrtugh his poHertie might be madcrich. Yet neither is there here any thing of any vovv,neither can we qucftion but that Chrift poflcflcd as his owne whatlocucr was mmiftred vnto him, and ,q^.. .* therewith <^ bought whatfocucr was nccdful,tovfcthcfameashi$ ownCjWhichthevowofpouertieadmittethnot. Now to the ex- ample of Chrift, hee addeth the Icflbn that hee gaueto the yong man, «^ go fell mU that than hafiyif thou wilt be perfe^,^ gine tt to the ' ' foorei^nd come and follow me^ andthoufhalthAue treafure in heauen* But ftill wee faile of that that we require: we heare not Ghrift here faying to him, Vow thy fclfc hereafter to perpetuall pouertic and ecum.^uxm. beggery,thac thou mayllneuer hereafter haue any thing of thine ^"'f/v'l'^V* owne. This is the very pointe, and of this thefcntence ot Chrill im ^"1"",'/''^/-^ portcth nothing. Weil,let this go,but of that fpcech of our Sauiour "^gilnl'^'qTtdim Ai.Verkinszi\(\Ncxcthy that it tended to difcoucr the fecret ^01-'"'^'^'"'/"^''''^/^^ ruption of the yong mans heart, and therefore wasa commaunde- tnm.rxpi.mrAt mcnt not common to all, but fpeciall to him, as was to ^ brriham'''"^'^!''^'^""'' thecommandcmentofoireringhisfonne. And tothiscffctt tie- •"" '■■-"D,. mem ^Uxandrms vnderftandeth it, faying, ' fVhen Chrtjlfatth , lf2TJl,[';[[tZ.,. thoMWt/t be ferfeEljfcl'what thou hafi and ^lue tt the poore^he dtfpro- f'rtcri»-pffti pieth htm that q^loricth that he hath kspt ^U the ccmmAundemfntsfrom p„7iVr,''r,|» »^' hisyouth \forhehadmtfHlfi'Md the commaundement^ThoHfhalt lone ^''^'^"^^'J'/'**.' thy neighbor as thy felfc.But then as being tobe perfe^cd by the Lord ,r.,mn,&ir.,^fU^ he was taught charitably to communicate and btjiffw. Notably there- '"'""- forobeforbiddethrcttober*€h,bhft0 bench vrtiujlh and yMfatiahly, 0- Cm*. fVer.27 1092 OfVmes, CUment then faith as iM*'^ttkins faith,that the words arc dircftcd to a particular occaHon, and had their fpeciall vfc in rclpe^ of him to whome they were fpokcn , to diicoucr his crronious conceit and opinion oi himfclfc, This is not then ajillyjhift cfthepeore fro- r^r, meaning it of the blefledviigin,'' hetheKce- fcrthtockehertohisownehome^ Yea and by the laftchapter of his Gofpell It may well bee concerned that they had ftiU their fliips and their nets to go a filhingas they had bcfore,But howlbeuer that be tlicfe words make nothing againft tA.Perkins anfwcr, becaufethc difciples had had a like fpeciall calling to follow Chri(l as this yongman had , and they doc thereby but profcflc their yeclding thcn)fclucs to that fpeciall caHiiig of Chrill-, asthisyogmanfhuid haue done to this caUingdircfted particularly to him. Albeit ther- fore this commaundement were here intended onely to the yong man^yet there was no caufe why Chrift iTiould fay that they had dctteffcli/h/y'm doing that they had done, becaufe they had recei- ued the hke commaundement in efFc6l before, & by vcrtue thcrof had before this forfaken all and followed him. Now as thole cal- lings of the difciples, and Chrifts commaundements to diem of foi lowing him , were particular to themfclues and not common to al, nor could be vnderftood as belonging to this yong miin,fo neither can this commauniicmeQC to the yong njan bee vnderftood here as ipokcn OfVmes. 1 09 3 fpokcnin conionto die difciplcs, or belonging vnto vs.In a word CJirill called liim to be one of his difciplcsjas the reft were , and his callingcanot be vndcrftoode :o belong, vnco vs any more then thnr cailingdotii. Now as Chnft faith peculiarly to the dilciplo, that thcj hawng Lft aUm his commaundcmcnt andfoUuivedhmi Jhtillftt vftn twihcfeatis to tudge th: twelue tribts «f Ifracl : {o he niaketh a common and general promife to al,that rvhofocuerfor his nam: s fake ^ ■:dfor the GoJpL Is Jake (hallforfake all that is,(hal be Content to yceld all into the perfecutors hands and to loofeali rather thcntodcnic tlic name ot Ckrift and to forfake his Gofpcll , hce(hall no-w rcctttu 4>i h»Ttdred^ a>jd in theworldtocomeeternalllifet This is true, wee doubt not thereof, but M.Bt^op himl'elfc mull pertorcc conFeflb, that this maketh nothing at all to prooue that the former words fpoken to the yong man do belong to vs. For that forlaking of all which Chrill i\cxc(^tdkct\\di for his names fake andforthcGofpelSy y^/^, is a ncceilarydutic,without the performance whereof' aman 'ukc.14.1f. comet be Chri/}sdfciple.^ fVhtf0e(4er( in this caufe) w/I/fafiehts/i/e, ^ MukeJi-i^. faith Chnl\Jb.i/i/ofe /Y j and whtfoeuer ^Jalllofe his /tfefcr mj fake and for the GojpelsfAkr^heJhallfaHe it. But M.Btfhop tcllcth vs ihatthat • felling of at andgintng to thepoore^is no commandcment but a coun- iell, a matter not neceflary but voluntary which a man maychufc whether he will doc or not, Hcthatforlakedinotallinfuchfortas Chrilt fpcakcth thereof in the latter words finncth gricuoully a- gainft Chrift:buc Al.'Bi/hop iiaiih, that a man may forbeare to f el all and giue to the poorc.nnd yet finneth not.Hcreby then vvc may fee how vntowardly he dcaleth, intaking fromoncofthefea confir- mation ofthe other, and fo it appeareth that hither M. T^erkins anfwcrftandcchgood, that thofc words of ourSauiour Chrift to thcyongman, were intended oncly in particulartohim,andcon- cerne no other m proper meaning, butontlyfuchto whom they were in particular dir€ited,asthey wcrcto him, Butyetthat^. B^op may know that wc haue fomc what more to fay then M.Ver^ kmi hath faidc,and can make it good that they moft wickedly abulc this place to the tnaintenaoce of their vowes and opinion of pcr- fc6^ion, I will fome what more fully examine the circumllances thereof. I fhall fecme hapily liere to go againft the ftrcame and to be fomcwhatpreiudicatcd by tlic opinion pf!liridry of the Father* butyct (gcndc Reader ) let not nanus of taieh carry thee away tioiH I094 ofVmes, from chat which thou .thy fclfc canft manifcftly difccrnc to bcc die truth.Rcmcmbcr what hath bene already faid, that the words of Chrift htcrally and in proper vnderftanding belonged peculiarly to the y ong nian^but yet we deny not but that as the calling of the rcftoftheApoftlcsjfo the calling of this yongmanby dcdutlion and moralization is to be applied vnto vs, onely the qucft ion is, in what meaning it doth concerne vs. Letitbecobfcrucdwhatmca- nin^t^.BiJbop intendeth of it, that Chrift here rccommendcth a matter of counl'ell, not neccflary for Chriftians,but voluntarily to be followed as a matter of fpeciall perfeftion by fuch as vs'iU: fo as that without this a man may be faued and come to ctcrna]l life, butbythcdoingofithcmcritcrhareleafc of hisownc and other mens fins^and an eminent Sc more then ordinary degree of glory in euerlafting lifcBut the text plainly fhc weth that this cannot bee there meant, and that the Icilbn that Chrift taught him did con- cerne a dutienecefiary for the obtainingof cternallhfe.The que^ 1 Mat.i5.i#. ftion that he moucth to Chrift, is' geifd m4jier-pphatJhAUldotoob-> taint et email hfe^.Om Sauiour anfwercth, Ifthonmlt enter into life, keefethe ccftmMundements, YLt^xoh^cthhimkMc fa to haue dene from hisyouth^ and addcth,»'^- t^^^ thee^^ Jetlackji thou one thingfeUlhhat thou h^ft^&cV^httto did he lack* one thir.g^ut to that wliercof he mad? the queftion, to the obtaining ofeternallltfe ? Chrif^s words then in cffeft, are, Thou haft notyetallthatisneedcfuUtotheobtainingof ctcrnalllife jbuc ifthou wilt be perfeft lacking nothingc thcxciogofeUllthatthou hafty^cliow if we vnderftand it as M^t^op would hauc vs, then there was no caufe why the man fhould'goaway fo foro wful at that that Chrift faid.For the thing that he^efired \wg^%to hane eternaliife and if he might haue had ctcrnall life withouii the forgoing of his riches jc w^ould haue fulfy faiisfied him* But ; M, Bijhops do6^nne OfVovpes. r ^9 ^ jit might be did co him that he troubled himfclfc m vaine, U,x tj>c wordcs ofChrillc were but a counfcll and not a cominaundciHenr, and that there was not any neceflitic of doing that that was layue vntoium. rhey that would bee ofaiiigh degree of perfedion about other, mull (o docjbut if he would rclt in a lower dcgree,iie iv.ight continu'' ax lie \ra=, and yet obtainc etcrnall life. But the yong man conceiucd not lb: he knew that Chrifts words imported a condition oFobtaining cternall htCjaccording to the qucftion that he had mo- ucd to him, and tiieretorc was very IbrrowtuU. And hereto accord the words otChrirtenluing, Vertly l/ayvntoyou^hitarichrnanne (hAllhurdlj enter into the ktngdome ofhfiiutn. It ts enjicrfor a. Cornell to ^)f through the eje efa. nee Me .^ then for a rich man t» enter into the ki:gdome ofGod.Why doth Chrill vfc thclc words,but that the yong mans refpe6lcof his riches did hinder him, not from aftate ofper- fc6^ion aboue others, as Af,Bi/hop dreameth, but wholly from en- trmginto the kingdome otGod /Furthermore it is to bee confidc- rcd how improbable a thing it is , that to a man who knewe as yec only the lewtfi religion^ & had no knowledge of the faith of Chriltc our Sauior wold giue at firft a direftion ot perfc6lion aboue others in Chrilhan profelfion. He was as yet no difciplc of Chrift, he bc- Iccued not in him, and is it credible that he would teacli him at the firit dafh, of a ruler, according to MJBiPiofs vnderllanding, to be- come a Monke ? Nay it appeareth plainely,that whereas the man> had a zealc of God^nd no doubt in true meaning did walke accord- ding to the Law fo farre as hec had the true vnderllanding thereof, our Sauior Chrill would inllru6lhim thatthatwasnotfumcicntfor the obtaining of eiernall life, but he mull be content vpo his calling and commaundcmentto renounce all that he had^to cailofFal vain loue and confidence of worldly thinge», and to become one of his difciples and followers. In 2 worde, hee tcacheth him to bee of the fame mind that the Apoftle S. 7*4«/profefleth as touching himlclfe • ^s toHchivtg the rightetufnes of the law I was vnrebui^bleybHt I ihs^.l^ ^ PHIfp. ?( % Allthinges but lojfefor the excellent kwrv/edge fake ofChriJie U/hs my Lord for whom 1 haue counted Allthtngs lojje, and doe iudgethem to bte dwig that I might witi^rij}. For fo it is, that morall workes, whe- ther of lewes or of Gentiles, are not auailable in the light ol'God : ^.;',Zt^2^fj,^' they want their forme, and life, and perfection, vmill die fame be ui*fmri:iUtni„T- giucn vnto them by the faitli of Chnll.P i^e^tues rvtthtntfatth are but l'J^'/,^J,l''^*^*' UAMffy 1096 OfVffwes. ieAiiesy faith S, i^mbr^fcy they Pjer» greenejbat they cgnMtfrofite VJ Tlicrctorc the faith of Chrifttcachcthvs to renounce all trult and confidence thercofjand to truft oncly vpon him . This i s tlic perfe- ction whereto Chriil calleth this yong manias if he ihould haue faid vnto him, Thou doeft well m that which thou docft, but that is not enough : if thou wilt Iiauegood of it, become my difciple, and to that end bee content toforgocalhhat thouhaft, and come and fol- low me. Where to know how thcfc words do belong to vs,it muft be conlidered that this man was called to a corporalland out warde following ofChrift according to the flcfh, by meancswhcreofhec muft neccflarily forgo the vfe of thofc great poffcflions that he had. Til us the Apoltles bad partly done ahrcadie, and were aftcrwardcs fully and wholy todoe, being to bee corporally employed to preach the Uofpell through the world:& thus Chrift calleth this vong rich man to do the fame,But our following of Chrift now cohfteth not in changing of our places^but in giuing him our afFcftions, neither is performed by the foote but by the hearte, neither is it a matter of fpeciall dutic belonging onely to forae, but vniucrlally concerneth all thatbelongto him. As is then our following of Chrift, lois our ff/li>j£ pf(i//that we hitHfyi, matter of the heart and a ftc^lion, vvhihft in the midft ofallthat we haue, we haueourminds fo vnticd 5c free from the louc and refpe6l of worldly things, as tiiat we are readie to forgoe all when the caufe of Chriftc and iiis gofpeli ihall require v$ fotodoe. And this C^.^z/Z/iJ^ out of their owne grounds muft bee forced to confeffe whether hec will or noc« For by *BellamA-ie wee Sif/fir 1' Jf* vnderftand,that to be a Monk isi afiatefcr the gn'rArgofpcrfc^iotty Ep:fcopt'!-um t} but to be a Bilhop is ap^te ofperfeBun tf.ire^dy cttatncd^ and there- ttTu-'lfZ'rc- ^^^^ thitpcfc^io Already Attatned ftandeth without literal or a6tua!I itgto forum tjiji.i. felling ofalljbecaulc their Bilhops may be rich, and many of them TcffS7.'' '^^^ ^° ^^^^^ ' *' that for wea/ih they are able to compare with Ktnges. If rErsfm.mepiji. thefeBilhops were formerly Mo nkcs, howe doe they kcepe their 2r^7wi2'!.'" vowc of doing perpetually that which Chrifte fpeaketh of /in thii ^tii'ctmutic place, vnleflc it be fo meant as I h«uc fayd;to fay nothing that the/c fTq^JifluJ^".*' are notable fellowes to tell vs of a perfeftion in renouncing the rtgjkiu art Are wotldc, aud y ct of 3 perfc(5lion too in returning afterwardcs to the /# mt ,p„ tuM r ^Qj.j j^ againc. If they were not MonkcSjas a number neucr were, and yet attainc to a ftatc of perieftion , then it is nor neccflarie to perfe6tion literally tpfcllandcofoiiake all^butic is fufHcient accor- ding ofVmes. 1 097 ^ingto our conftruftion, habitually in difpofition and affc6lion to 3c ready tlicrcto iFtaufc require. Yea M,BtP:cf his lillc will ton. cllcjthancisnvjta thiDgntccflaryfcrvs for the obtainmgotctcr- ul lilcjhccraly (3v a«5lually to forlakc ali.But ic was put to die yong nan as a ncctllary condition literally to bcpciionucdlor thcob- :jning of eternal) iitcj as belorc was flicwcd. The words otChrift [hcrctorc are not literally to be applied vnto vs as they were to him belli Tt,6^;r/r(f/w«j-^;;^r»/./^#««w^ rhefc make Ghrift a great feaft for once, and Icaue him afterwards dmih!J^uamt'd!^ to huttger and third, but the other hauc care continually to mini- '!'*'poM""'''"f fter comfort and releife vnto him. As for Hieromes diilineuifhina di-tendttufemtt . r • t i • i i ^ ownM UrgmuTHT. ot degrecSjWc admit not orit,becaulc it hath no ground in the text which he alledgcth, yea and fo much the leflc,bccaufc in the church of Rome itfelfcjas hath bene fhewed,thc ftatc of perfeftion which is the Ingheft degree, ftandetli with the cnioyingofthofe goods to tlie forfaking whereof Hteromc attributeth that perfeftion. j?3 W. BisHO p. *Aa$4- / might confirme this former argument with the example of the f on pi id befi (^hrifiiansy who haningpoffejjlons & Unds^fold all (frbrou^t the price ofthtm^^ hyd it at the ^po^lesfeete:and msreyct etiforce it by thefaU wasoneofthcm,andyet7/;i///) hadhis^/[;tf*/^ftill,and ^^*?'*^ ' I hope Mf Bijhef will not thmke but that hec had fomething in his houlc alio, wherewith hee gaue entertainment to Saint T*aul, and thole that were with him. And who doubtcth but that the reft kept their dwelling houfes furnifhed for their owne vfc, and for the vfe ot other godly and faithful! brethren, as occalion fhould ierue ? So it is fayd oi'Bumabas^lh^t'^vphireaj hee hadafield,or apeece c/cCap.4.}7 /<<«^^ry^^^*f ' • * fold all that they ponciTcd. And whereas o?^f.^(/2'5'^ /ayth, that thcfaine^«<7«i.r/andhiswifemadeavow, bccaufeit is fayd that ^ they liedvnto God,hc talkcth idlely. They liedvnto God^ bccaufe jVer.4. they pretended to bnng the whole price ofthat which they Ibid, when they brought but a part thereof. But thofc other faithful! Chriltians did that which the common ftatc and necelTity of the Church did then require. Many poore doubtleflc were tlien con- uerted to the faith ot Chi ift, who being now ioyned to the Church, could expt 6^ no rcleife but from the Church. 'Ihcy therefore who had wherewith to rclciuc the neceflity ot fuch, were to tellifie their faith and louc,by communicating & imparting tothem ofthat they liad.Hcre was no matter of Monkery :it was an example of tl le com- mon fruit that Hiould be of true Chriftianity and piety, whcnfocuer like occcifion fliould require. He fheweth not himfelfc a liucly and feeling member of the body of Ghrift, who in the pubiike want of die Church, cannot find in his heart to difpoflcflc himfelfc of fomc- whatforthefuccour and comfort of other members, Letting thcfc things bricfely pafle as Ad, Bijhop doth, let vs fee what argument he •coUe6lethofthefeexamplcs.7'/7Xf»'^/f/7»'Af comr?$endcd by our Sa- wiours own both exdmple arddo^ritte^tuid wAspr^^tfdby the Apo files I loo of y owes. andmojihilj ChripiaHSymaj beevowedv^rjUwdably. 'But to fell all Andgiue it to thcpeore isfnch, Wc dcnic his fccond propofition, bc- caufeicproQounceththatabfolLicely and fiaiply, which in the other propoficion is vndcrllood rcrpc6^iuely oncly, and with exception* /^^irSf!^.,- '•^»-''»^^'»-vcbc PhiloCopher, who wasmaiftcr to'2)/£'^r»r/,roId ttnhtnes vtnditu all chac he had,as Hieronts mcntionctii, and made publikc diftribu- Tctd^nytun,ii^^^'^^^^^<^°^- So doth the fame Huromc mzntiongiicSt oiVhilofon fib, cjuam fnUitiii jihers called %'Ba[iroperit butalfo «'^^*'^^'^'^^^J|- from all burdens of humane prefumpcions, and therefore-^. Bi* M*rmt,Uiaiibi4 ''Jhops anfwer is very vnfufficient to our obic6lion. The vnfufHcieiw fcS7»iV'rrI!«r-^^^^'^^*^°^^^^^^ ^^^ appearein confidering the other place tfmbut ftAijam- allcdged by Af^ Terkins and omitted by M, Bijhep^ ^ Let no man. d'coi.a. is^Q}ttdgeyoHinmeateanddrinke: why are ye led with traditions or decreet f^ — i(L-> / To/tch not, tafi not^ handle not ? whtch allperijh in the vfing^ ^'*»ji afteA '' [the doEirtnes and comma^///?/»^ faith, that there is nothtr,gj$ f^fginff'iT txfedtentfortheJcHleastoibej, but it is then true, when we obey ^mLY^i^lh,. them who according to God are to bee obcied. ilhe cbcdier.ce cf^'^'-. Chriji^ faith Origcn,///^f $rname*Jt and iirvellofthe Churches necke, htm.i'orltJili and therefore in Chnftes behalfe wee arc to obey none, but oncly ^^^J^Tnll'J'j' them in whom we obey Chrift. We are toobey them who *• teach f^flchuftitp. the thngivhuh he hath ccmwatrded, not thofc thingcs which they ^-^"uf^d,^^' themiclues haue deuiled. ' 7 he ^ftji/es yfiith TertuUian^^i^r them- jcnp.^tc ■ffifit- felftci tf liberty t« brtng tn any thing of their ovpne yvilly an d w c arc to if/Jiib,^n»pmZ follow none but fuch as haue followed the Apoftlcs to dcliuer ""'«""»' ''"i*- faithfuliy Chnflcs words, not prefumed rules and orders of their k7w j-,^b« ,ii. owne inucntion* •' fVe are net, faith he,/# chufe (erfol/ov ) anji things i"^' cu^ Chrtji haue not taught what vce teach, wee hold it worthy to be dete^ed* %TvUfiS!!! Now therefore let them magnific their three voweswhileft they 1 chrijiM tft: Si er- wil,but bccaufc Chrift ncucr knew them for his,wc codemnc them ^fi^ql^di!c,mZ as fuperllitioully deuifcd,& blafphemoully maintained to the iniury ^ nuiiiiti detijiMt and wrong of the croiTe of Chrill.We magnifie the vow of baptifmc t»dit*mu4, ^^ ^j^^ ^^ly Chriftian vow,approuing no other vowes but what arc i implied & cotained therin,becaufe therein for the whole courfc of j our life we vow & dedicate our felues wholy vnto God. M. Bi/bof faith, that that is no vow but a full and ajfured promi/e, and yet in the] former fc6lionhe hatli toldvs, thattopromife to Gcdisa vow. We j vow our felues tliereinto the keeping of Gods commandemcntSj and we endcauour to keepethemjand by the grace of God wee at- taine to the keeping of them, but yet fo as that we know it to be oni pw^?/".Ti?7 °^ Chriftes commandemcnts to fay daily vnto God," Forgitte vs ohA iud««M»/| miwimtuptriint. thtngswc offind^ll, This we teach,and this is fo truc,as thatM 'Btfhof. ^^itTrlS'J"" bimlHfe in his owne conscience is forced to fu it, and yet b) t,dicdkmtfa,iSt awilfulUpiritofcontradiftion bendcth himfelfc to dilputc againi filt^-i^iZtTZa it. The vow of baptifme wc alwaycs renew m recciuing tlic Lore" ir dtmituneirsi, fuppcf, bccaule therein wceprofefle ourlclues to bee oFhisretinueJ and renew thcpromife of being holy vnto him. As for that whicl o lanr. ?. » . Maiftet Verkinr faith of a vow made in our creation as toucliing oui obedience to God, in what meaning heefpakc it, I cannot deter- P cTiBj.<. »o. m jnc. There may be nouelty in the word,but h propbanenejfe whid is the thing that the Apoftlccondcmnetli, there is none. He migh^ Cu^^ic Adams promifc thereof before his fall, or the bond dut of Images. Hoy ducyanHng of o\ir creation, whereby wee are no Icflctied then by a VOW' Ot hiiicimcs oirAHtr^anddecaiedyvitSy wewiillcauehim coconndcrfurtlKr,prcruniingcliatoncday hcc will chinkc that in all tiiis matter he hath but raued, and that his wits were not right in taking vpon him the defence of f b bad a caufe, Chapter. 9. OF IMAGES; OVrconfents. fVeedcknovUdgethe ciniU vfeoflmageSyasfrecly}i,^ti\irxt. (fr trnly ds the Church cfRcme doth.'Bj cimllvfey 1 VKderjlard. that which is made oj the in the commonfocictie of men put tfthe ApfointedfUces efthe folcmne rverjhip of God : xAndthis t» hee luyffall Affeareththecau/e the arts ofpaifittnj andgrauingare the ordinances of G»d, and to be skjlfHlm them is the gift ofGod,as the exan^ple vorkcaC the queltion oifatisfaBion^ but better remembring hunfclfc, hcc tookc the mater in hand againe, and then would by no mcanes giucouer till he had Uftvs this ftinke of Images. This is one of the groiTeand palpable abhominations of the kingdomc of Antichrifl^ • V Cot,4.4. the filth whereof there is no man but feeth, faue only they » in whom being vnbeleeuers ythe god of this world hath blinded their mindes, that the light of the glorious Gojpellof lefus Chrifl , which is the Image ofGod^fhould not [hine vnto them. By this the Churcli of Rome hath matched all the idolatries of the heathen,and brought all their iug-* ling deuices into the Church,abufing the ignorance aud (implicity of Images 1 1 07 of the people as grofldy and damnably as ncucr they did.But in this field I iiauc walked at larg before in'' anfvvcr oftiic Epilllc to the King,and therefore I will here tyeniyfclfcto thofc things whid*'' ^''^ ' **/^*^^' AUfitr "Bifljop giucth vs occafion to confiderof. M. Verktm in his third condulion affirincth alawfulncfl'cofmaking Imagcs,to tcrti- fic the prclcncc and effc6ts of the maicftie of God, when God iHmfeUc hath fo commaundcd,*^ heexemphficth in Mofcj his ma- king of the brazen fcrpcnt in figure of Chrill crucified, & the Chc- riibm fct ouer the mercy feate, God there promifing hisprefcncc, (^fignifyingtheattendanceof Angclstodohini feruice. Concer- ning this point Tettttllmn being vrged by idol-makers with ihc ex- ample of tiie bralen fcrpcntjanfwereth very rightly : <= It ts wellth^t. ^^f "';J'i't!' thefanuGodbothdfclforbidbyiaw that artjhkenejfe (bould bee m.ide, Dimixiigivtfntt ^ rid by extraordwartf ccmmandementdtd iipptwt the Itkenejfe ^fAJcr- •^,'t|"«Xfri#'' pnt. Ifthot* yforfhip the fame God, thou haji his law , Thohjb^tlt not frdctfttfirpmty m.ike thefimilitfide or likcne^e of any thing:ffthou /soke to the cemman- ^'1',',"/, '"J^lX" dement ef making aftmilitude afterreard^do thou tmnatcMofes^do not ^'•"" •''/""■*", ag^atnfi tbe lan> make an image yVn/eJfe God command the aljo . G od gi- stf/cfrufim,iiim ucth not lawes to himfelfc but to vs: what hec commandcth to the '''"'^ ^' ^f^'"f contrarie by his owne authoritie, is no iuftification of our prefum- l^tiuji'uliipi,!, ption.For this caufc M.Verkms obferueth, that in the comniaunde- t„'sl7"^^uli*'' met itisCiid'J hcttjhaitmtmakf (TO THY S EL¥ E)4njgrauen ^erf^ u^.mfmU. image'.to r^^y?^, that is (faith hc)vpo thine ow^te headjorvpo thwe owne J'fc'^^^^'^ijJ' WiUandpleafMre,M,Btfhopy{^\l\\tXhztthis it a rvttfull pernertingcf the words ytvhich cannot (tgmfieJjHt to thine owne vfey that is to adore* Thus hee cannot abide they fhould bee reftrained from doing fomc what of their owne heads ^ and at their owne will : it is deatii to them to be hedged from that walke.Yct ^o/r/ gaue it f or a lelFon from God/' Trfhallnotdoeuerj man what femeth goodin htsowne dr;#j,f ri.8;». eyes, what I command thee that only do to the Lord-., tJjou Jhahput no- ^"'s " " '-"'»« ' thingto^nortakf ought therefrom. Whereby it appearcth, that Ai* Verkins expofition containcth a truth, that to the Lord, or by way of feruice to God, no image might bee made but what God him - felfe commaunded , neither doth the text declare any thing to the contrarie, but that that is the true meaning ofthe words which hc« expoundcth.In his fourth condufion he faith, that the rigiu Ima- ges of the new leftament, are the doitrinc and preaching of the GofpcU, and all things that by the word ot God do thereto appcr- tainc> . iioS Of Imager tainc , whereby « lefiisC^rtji is defcribed bef§reoHr ejes^ as the A- Q^ , I J poftlc liiclijfwrw as cracifad amongfi vs . Tbis(raith he) is an cxcel- ' C ^'V'^ lent pi6lurc whereby Chnlt with his benefices is huely rcprcicntcd vnto vs. Thclearc MetA^hormll pUures faith MXtfljcf notbtloti- ring to thisfHTfofe. But why doth hcc admit that which M.'PerkiHs foirgtn.c»ntr* c«cth ouc of OrtgcH affirming that Chriftians hauc no other, f 7 he cijHm.iih.^.Simh i^agestobe dedicated to ^cd are not the yvorkes of Carpenters, but ■^funrnZ'fi'rorurH hcwcdb) the wordofgfd andframedin vs^namelj^ vertues to the imi- ep tra, fed a vir'o o f^fi^ff of hfm, who is the firfi bome before all creaturesJn vehsm are the t*^ i:u,obu,vtdtU- examfles oftufiice .fortttude , temperancte , rt>tJaome ^ftctte and other c,i virtHtts adtmi-- ^gj-f^gj^ Thcfc Are Image s dedicated to God in the mwds of them that ^ritiTJtiMcrtatHr* exerci/e/uch vertuetyivherewith Tfe be/eue thefrtnctpall cfallfuchl' ZTlIinurfolu. rnagest the image of the inmfible Cjod ^ rpho is Gedthe onelj begotten^ to tudT,u.ftftenti.t,p' l,e conueniently honeured.Hc knew no other images lawfull amongft tTJXZTit. Chnftiaus , but onely fuch as wherein wee bearc the image of God H^t-fH^tfiAtH^ and of his Son Icius Chrift, but this M Bifbcp thought notgood S« wr«!«',x"-' to take knowledge of. As for that which he faitJi, that he beleeueth eenun>»,qi*iku* fiot our doBrinc to be as M.Terkins hath fetdswfiey becaufc the AU' tuSr^L omnmm giflrates publtkeiy take away pi^nresfrom Catholtck^s, andteare them humfmtAifiatuATu ^gj^fjf and bume them , bee muft vnderftand tiiat it is notliing to vs A^jttyfMmfrmu, ^^ij^j j^^g [j^l^^ygj^j, Our Magiftrates know how to put difference betwixt the lawfull vfc of things & the vnlawfullabufe:thcy know well how fuch pi^lures and images arc by Papifts turned to Idols & therefore to ihew the detcftation of the diflionorthatchcrby IS done to Godj they burne them,and tcare thein,and deface them being found with them , that they may no more bee abufcd to fuch idolacrie. Where otherwilc they arc found, and are not fubiefl to their fuperftitious and falfe deuotions, our Magiftrates do nothing agai nit them, becaufe they are not offended at thehauirg, but at the abufingof them,By rcafon ofthofe idolatrous fancies^it is,that our moreferuent difciples^ as he calleth xXvaw^canot abide a Crojfejia- dingby the high yvayjide^cr in any other fl.ice. They carie therein a true zeale to God , though not alvvaies fo aduifedly managed as it ought to be.Bu: if any of priuatc fancic proceed to the demoliffiing ■and deftroying of fuch pubiike monuments,weapproue itnor,and they thiit do it,deferuedly receiue their check, We are well enough perfwaded , that they who firft began the erecting ofthofe Crof- fes, did it meercly ia the honour of the name of Chrift, that were before of Images, 1 109 before had flood chc cnfianci of falfc and idoll Gods,f at the head o/V^r/^B'^^, there might DC lifted vp a trophec and Ihndard ai a * ''^ ^' rnonumencaud token of the exaltation ot him thatdicd vpon the Croll'e. riicy were tarrc off from Pcpinudolatric;they had learned noc to woi Hiip that that is made with hands bemg conuertcd Irom vvorlhippingllockes and Hones, they knew they were not tore- tiirnc to tiiclamc againc : they caricd the fame mind as did Helena y when file found the Crofle whereon Chrift was crucified:'' jhewor f,^„i, j fjippeti the Ki>7g(^A\th ^mhroje) verily not the rveodifor this were hea Thtcdcf}}{,pm themfh error, & the va»itji ofvr.gedly men: but [he worjhipped htm that {^"^I'^'^Z'hTji ivas hangedvponthewood. But what they cre6ledonely for hillon- '■'" '7' "■'■•'■ ">i"»««'- fuperftitious opinions and vfages which before hauc bene had and obfcrued toward them. Now|where publikc authoritie ccakth,it is not for priuate men to begin againe, neither can it be warranted, that men in flicvv of zcale cary tlicmfelucs tumultuoully fortlic re- formine of fuch errors, S..Au(lin could liay of breaking the Paean idols, '^ Where power is notgiHen vs, rve do %t not\ where it tsgtuen t//, ,;.' iat»y<,i,fti,, ni -we om:t it net. Much more are wee to obferue tlie fame rule in ihofc^'""* ' • *" '*=" 'A tilings whicli are deemed in their originallto hauc contained no- '^'"J'*'"''"'"" thing preiudiciall to the faith . Yea &c by common experience wee fec.that by fuch priuate oppofition, beiide that it is iniurious to pub likcgouernmcnt, men do but enkindle the minds of their oppo- (ices to a more earnell affe6^ingof thofe things, whicli before they „ hauc femed very lightly to fctby. But yet the ground whereupon cither pubhkclyor priuately we orany ofvs hauc bencmoucd to tlic defacing of any fuch fuperftitious Images, is that which M, 'Bijhof namcth , bccaufc the Papifishafie made themGods,S<. thereto robbed; iiio oflmAges, robbed God ofthatdeiiotion and fcruice which peculiarly bdon* gcth vnto him. Here he crycth out, 0 men bfindedwith fpite ^igainfi true deletion, but we on the other (ide giuemoil humble chanket «o God,thac by his word he hath giuen vs light to iec what true dc- uotion is, and hath freed vs from their yoke, who vnder chc name ofChriftiandcuotionheldvsinthe bondage of [icathcnifhabho- mination. As for thcm,whcther they be ^aloui of the true honour of *;[;^/;«i«^^*ifici^»r them,they (wcarc by them, and yet U^f.^i^c/* would make vs be- ' r4n"°i(rS1prIleeuc,that there is great difference betwixt the worffiip that they ''T'^'X*"' nllu ^° ^® images, and that which they do to God .But forfooth we mult m'poijd.vi,jiijt thinkc that by a mentailreferHatton they make a difference, and 'cT'^v'Eiw^fanu though all things outwardly fccmeth the famcjyet in mind and f n- diuintHinijivt derftandingthey preferre God before their Idois« Thus they would ^rtmTf.rrik\m hauc VS to thiukcwhcn 38 notwithftanding.yirWr/?^/;?/ their great f,etst,.SHntt'.,m defender of the Counfcll of Trent, freely confefleth, that ' with tbe '^iZ'::it,^:rr^or^^^ they fay tJ God onely ) they worjhip ftxtMvtilgr.,^ the cro^e of Chrifl . Yez'PoIydorgVirgt/ another ohhcirownc feU /7«L74rTr''tL'*''lo^vcs,hath told vs howthey haueoblcrucd this difference: '"Aden p:a'Uv»rijf^,cd6-areiiJion>netothatmAdne(fe (he faith) that this p4>.rt of ptetie ts IttU {<,Unt,n,nvtfigH aijfertngfromptt tmp$ette, Forthere are a ma>3j of the more rude and r 44 fid ptrindc qf*"' iqyjgrant who wor/hip imaqes of fiont or wood , of marble or braffe , yea dip pjfinfum ah c> i n J • I i i ,i ^U ■' \Htm h^tani.ir andpuimtedand gkrmfhed with cclonrs vpon the walleSy not aspgurest '^'JImchnih^& bnt euen as if they hadverilyfenfe^anddopHt mere truji in them then »'ps dtuu q»iUu theydoinChriji orother Saritestowhomethiy are defeated* Wee dtcMufwit,&f, doubt not but he would fpeakc of his ownc as fjuourably as hec could,and therefore we may well conceiuc what horrible impiety it was that wrcftcdfro him this confeflion. There folio wcth more to that purpofcjwhcrinhce fliewcth how the aialters of that Image cr& of Images. T 1 1 r craft madcthcir profit of it,drawing on the people in that fimphci- tie to offer richly vnto them, but what lie faidjhc is made nowc not to{ay,tIieSpanii]i Ccnlbrshauing taken order hyihcw Index Ex - pw^AtorinsyiUxiAX thatmattcrin their editions is left out.Thus they tike care due their Idolatrie may continue ilill, prouidingfo ncare as may be ,thac noclii ng may be extant amongrt them for the dilco- uc lie thereof. And hereby it appearcth, that it is but for barhfulncfle r hac Af.BiJhjf tclicch vs of fo great difference of worfliip, and how- foeuer he and fuch other as he is, can picadc for thcmfclues a mental eferuAtion^ eucn as tlie Philofophers and learned amongrt the lica- then did,yctthcyfufferthcpeopletorun oninthis abJ)omination o worOiip the Images with as great deuotion, as if they were vcric Gods. 1 . W, B 1 s H o f . .And. that thefe hotter brethren mdjfee what rcAftn Maifter Vcx- Vin^h^dto allow of the ciutll aud hifioricnll vfe of Images y Ithtr.keit 'Xfedient to n$te here^ horv in thepure^ anti^uitie, Images were made MndrefpeSied. That famous Image of our blejfed Sauionr^ which the woman cmred tfthe if/oudtr fifixe,' Jet vp inbrafe atOsCurci Philippi, v^ott a pillar 'Mit.^- effione^ts not vnknowne vnto anj that haue re ad the EcclcfufiicallHj- ^*r/tf #/Eulcbius, Lib. 7, cap., i :| . ^ndhew Goddtdapprooue it kygi- Ming vertue vnto an her be when it didgrow to tottch the hcmme ofth-it J^iRure ^to CHre all manner of diJeafes.fVhuh Image ^uichwxshtmfelfe dtdfee /landing vntillhis d^ijes^ which w.is 1 3 OG.j/eares agoe^ as hee there tejitfieth : asa/fo,thatheJaw dtuersothersjnam.-lj/y ofSasnt Peter and Paule. This goodly Jlature beingmo^ memorable both for antiejuitie of tty keingmnde oHrSaatoryet liutrjgy and for themtracles wrought by that herbe, growing at thefoote oftt, I ulian r Ar Apojlatafor nuilice agasnfl cur Sautor, caufedto be broken downe^ anJfet vp bts owne Image mthe place cftt : but hts wasprefentlj with Itghtntng and thunderfrom heaue Confum.-dtntoaPteSf atdour Sauionrs^ by the Chrifitans carried into thev Church^as witnejfcth Zozomcnus * • : ,1, ^.i,,fti t^not her picture ofou^Sauioursvifage, he himfelfe is reported to ^,P.'°" , hatte f.-ntvnto Abgarus'?r«wfro/"Ede(Ta, aswiineJfethlAetiph^ilcs in..i-iniiM.,. InvitaConftantinijDamafccnc/rf»<^ Euagrius,' who do.th mthe \\^^^^'^'' fame i 1 1 1 2 Of Images. Jame chapter rehearfe a notable miracle ^ wrought hj the fume image t$ deltuer the ttwnefrom thefackiyi^ofthe fefjians, ^ fid in hisfift htol^ ^»^i8. chapter^ recerdeih another miracle done hy thanuge cf the p/ejfed Virgi n LMary in afrifen at ^ntioch. The third image refrefenting our b/ejfed Sauiourjis /aid to haue bene made by Nicodcmus his fecret Difctple^ rvhichafterrvardwas taken by the lewesy and in de/ptte ofChrtJi wax crucified^ and to their confw Jion, much blond ijfhed out of it. This hiftorie is in the rvorke ofS>.KthsxiZ^\Vi%thatfotit^dfillar of the Church, intituled, Dc paffionc imaginis, and is either his, or feme o- ther verie auncitttt andgraue writer \For it is related in thefenenthge- neraUcoHnfell,dtt.^. 7 hat Sawt Luke the Buanqelill drew the piEiure of our b/effed Ld- *L;.[4./)iii.i 2. dteytsregtsireavy I hcoaorus Lector ioco*yearesagOyana Meta- phraftcs. In vita Lucae , and Nicephorus ' Tertullian , an author ofthefecond hundredth yeare after Chrifie,^ .2. ti» ■■c. y^^^ ^^^ written, * that the image ofChrifl in Jhape of a Jh if heard ca^^ rying ajheepe en his (houlders^was engrauen vpon the hcly Chalices vfed inthe (^hurch* InthetimeofS. Chryfoftome, they were fo common, that they were taried.in rings ^ drawne on cups, painted in chambers. See Thcodorct, in hiftor. relig. in vitaiyimeonis Stclita:. Auguft.lib.2* dc coal", Euang. cap. i o^nd the /♦ Synod aB.^, R. A B B O T, Tliis .Teftion Af. *BiJhop writeth, neither againft CM. Perkins ' nor againft vs,but oncly agamft (ome hotter brahren^imiec^ againft hisovvncfhadow,bccaufelknownonc that doc not allowc of the ciuilland hijfcricallvfc of Images . But yet it (hall not bee a miflc to note fomcwhatas touching fome of the examples that hce bringcth beccaufc albeit by his ownc woordes it appcarcth and is true , that they arc nothing to his purpofc, yet his drift is by fuch examples of Images, to gainc fome credirc to their corruption and abufe of them, Itistruethat£/i{/ tiHio:ir (^'hrtjie did/kchthi»ges, forth.tt wee h.iue/eenethe Im^igesof >'"> tStruMtere hts ^peJi/es'Peterand Pau/e,yea and ofChriJi htmfclfe^ keptpamted ,^V'VJj^'^a»wl TvithcoloH'SintAbles, for th^t of old they ha»e beenervont by ahenthe- & '^■fp»fi»i»rmm e H//Z/ cuFiome thus to hoMottr them Vf horn thiy tool^to bee pre/eruers Atid'p^l^ii i^^jll"',, ^ fnHiours ofth:m. Where iC is duely to be noted, that Eufcbms re '-'"•'• '''"'?/ <^ '? fcrreth the originall hereof to the Gentiles, to hcathenuh cultomc iTcci,r,'bmd!p,.'* andimitation, not to any inftitution of Chrilt, or of h^sApollIcs^'^"''^"?^'''^'- and Euangehftes, or other Paftours and Billiops of the Cl\urch.r'(7!^JZ,Uc!'- Againe, that which hce faycth of other Images of Chriftc and Pettr (^'^^^,7'/''7''" and Tanle, he faith as of a matter veric (cldomc and rare : fVee ha/fe 'runt h„nc ,n m»dA feer.efHch^ faith he, as importing it was no common and or dinar icl^r^''^*'"' thing. As for that which M. Btpjof raaketh the fpeciall commen- dation of this Image, which is the hcrbe growing at the footc of it, it maketh me greatly tofufpc^^, that in the report otit fomewhat isamiffc :doe thou ludge, gentle Reader, whether there be not iull Caufc offuch fufpition. Fnlt Eufebms iiimlclfe rcportcth the mat- ter on ely by hearefay ; '^ They fay, faith Jic, that the 7vom.ws ho fife ts yetpieived, and that there continueth a notable vtonuvtent tf the bene- ^ ^^'•^■^^'f'"" fite done to her by our Sautcur : they fay that the fame hath the Im:ge ^//oy .;_ s,tHat,ru lefus. It hath continue deuen vnt ill this time, andmty be/eene cfthem '' ""' "''''' '""" I ri I ^ Tri I 1 1 II- 1 y-ir astro fJi HA du- that trauellto that Cttie. If Jiee haddc reported this matter as ot his r^reuruKt.^rc, owne fieht and knowledge, fomc more reafcn there had bene cq^^-' 'i^-^'-''-;' giuc creditc to it, but he doth not fo report it,and tiiercrorc we can-t^-, d'cmm.&c. not fo firmcly reft vppon that which hee faith . Secondly wee fo t^'^tutfltl},. jnucli the IclVc belceue it,for that it iiath no other tcftimonie but on- •-'c' v d.tifin,* ly his Jiearclay, there being no other of the auncicnttatiiers that gi- ^J;,7r' ucth v; any record or witnelle of it. Aofry^W/' or counterfeit dtuice.lt IS to be noted alio, ih^O' Ew '■■"'"^"•CtUf. fcl^iunncmioncih Abgarus lending an Epjftlc to Chrift, & Chnfts l^/.'/li'I^i"^ anlwere to i^im, but ot this matter of Chrills image he iaith not one rigH,Anii,jHm word. The talc it appearctJi was then begun, but it was not ccme^/^'/'yCJiiJ**.* toperfc6iion till afterwards DAm^Jcen that notable Idol-monger ^'*'^*'"^'^'""'/*- added to it another peccc, andtovhatpeeceiV/V; I tjfftVtT' .90% ^rrr mentioned! this matter of the ImageofChrifttohaue betallcn <:''r#«.4«n..y6| ts die report was, 4CO, yearcs after the time of ^thAnafms ^ in theyeareofourLcrd 765, at which rime much good drinkc was in brewing to n akc men drunke with the opinion of that Idoi- feruice wl uch Satan dicn by might and maine laboured to bring in. Yet Ai* Bijhop lo dirt6fed by his maiftcr BcHarminc, is notaflismed to cite this .iS vnuer die name of ^thAnaftas^ by his name to game (bme creditc to a lye. S uch another tale doth he tell vs out of Thto- olcrus Le^hr, 2nd Afftiiplsr. pesindNfCfphffruSjOhhclmaigcot the virginc L^.^r/r, taken byi>aintZ«%dic Euangelilt, of whom wee B b b b readc III6 Ofllmages, rcadc that hec wasaT/yy^w^, but that hce was alfo a Painter vc rcadc not. This matter hath no record at all for (ixe hundred yearc* after Chrift, and wc maftbdceu^ic vpon their words who fo long after haucdcuifed it of their owne heads. They come too late to informe vs what Saint Lttke did, and bccaufe it hatli no better wit- ; J ncfle we reic6t this alfo for a lye. The reft I omit, importing pncly i aciuill and hiftoricallvfc of Images , as. UH, Btjhap propoundeth, which we queftion not, onely againft the fcucnth Synod wc cxccp t asanvnfitwicncilc indiiscaufe, which from hiftoricall vfe lifted vp Images to be adored with religious and holy worfliip. ,1 3» VV. BisHOf. Thishr'tefjoflmAgeiingencrAlltr.VffeArpwA$rtyvo of the figne cf the Crojfe, which ourTrotejiants h.tne bAniJhedfrom AllthsirfolUwers: neuerthelejfe it cannot he dfttied to ha '4e been in moJifreqHcnt vfe amog the hefl Chrijitans of the Trimitiue chu rch, *&* t$rt„sMilitk Tcrtullian hath thefe yeords , * At euerygeing forward and returne whenrve dre^evs and full on our (hoes ^ when wee wafh and Jit downey at the lighting cf candles, and entring into our chambers^ finally when " wefet our fe lues to any thing y wee make the figne cf the crop on our fore-he ads t ' ^ . i'aint Ambrofc * exhorts vt to begin allottr workes with the figne cf the crojfe^ S. Auguftine. * fVhatifth^it enfig»eof(^hrifl^whichall men know^ but the crop of(fhrifl^ the which fi^ney vnlep tt bee made on the fore" heads of the faithfully jsa^ on the waiter by which they are regenerate^ and on the Ojle and Chrifme wherewith they are annotnted ^and on the fasrifice wherewith they are no'mjhed, not one cf the mare orderly and duly admimflred. Our Vroteflants then that haue neither holy Ojle , nor ' facrifce to make th e croffe vpon^ are in pit if ull taking, 3utheare alfo what fame cfthebcfi Greeks Dolors do fay of this \ fame figne of the crojfe^ S Cyril. * agreethfullyrtith Tertullian5y^;f//?^ : make this figne of the crop both eating an ddrinkvigy both fittingand flan ding^ ani walA king andfpeakingy infumme, at AlltimeSy S^Bafil * ACC9unt€th tht* making the figne of the crofe , amoHg\ *Strm.8^- *C4ttck^, *»tSfr.f4na, of Images, \\\-j ftmt of the prtMci fall traditions of the K^ifofHes* Origen * yceidcth ctie reajott vhj r^f mak* thtfJigm^tijfirfKhg that , ^,^ ^ ^ ^ fmre andtremblingdoth fall vpo» the emllfpiritet^ when thty fee that i^ExU, ^tgne of the Crcjje made vctth faith* S. Grcgoric l^uzhnzcnc" repcrtethythat the mcked^poJ}ritalU' 'Orm.i.mui. lian , ketngfrighted with/pirits, wade thefigne eft he Crojfe^ which het hiidrencMMcedy atidyet tt deliHercdhimfrcm them, S. Chryfbftome moH largely dtfcourfeth of the glorious vfe if tht Crffiy Orat quod Cliriltus fit Dcus. See the place, amon^ an hun- dred other ccmme>idati0ns cfir^ he hath thefe ffcrdes : That the heads pf Kings are net fo dccktdwtth th:tr Diademes, asft-iththefgneofthg {rcjfeywd cenrh.dethythat allntcnflriuc tepajfe ether in tnkir:^ to them thts admirable Crojp^ and that no man Tvas afhamedcfit^ but ejleemed themfelhts more be^.utifiedvcith that i thenwith many Icrvels^ bcrdtrs And chaineSy garr.ifhcd with Te^^irle ar,dprectcusficnes. : Heu quantum mutamur ab ipfis : ^las^ yvhatupittfullchaunge isthtSy that that which was cf the bcFl Chriflians reputtd deare and holy, Pjouldnow bee eicottntcdapointoffuperHttisnandplatnewitch' craft ? 'By aJi which we le^me^th .t the befl Chr'tfiinns both vjedalw^ye: c^ hi^ly cjicemed of holy Images , euenfrom ourSatiiours cwne d^yeSy arid God htm fe I fe hath by dtktne teFiimonie cf miracles recommended them vnto vsy not cnelyfor the ciuill and hifloricall vfes oft hem, but mere 'o honour them whoje piiinres thfy were : for no man in hts right "Wits can denie^btit that it is andalwayes hathbene repute das a great ht- neur done to the d: ceajjed, to ereEl him an Image, to ttemiz^r the me" mory of his noble aUs : as al/o th:it it is great incouragt ment to all bet" holders of/uchPourtraits^toendeuoitrto imitate thetr glorious ex^im- pies. The very fight of the Image cf folemon, a mofl chiijl and hclypcT" fonage^ -fncoue:. an vnch^ffi woman to change her life , as out cfS.GrC" goric Nazii^nzcnc isrclarcd" * Sj-,»i.j.*K.^ Hamngfo grei^t t:fiimonit for the aunctent vfe oflmigcs, andfuch manifold commodities by the difcreete and hvly prafhfe cfth:m,he mstfl needs befurioujly trafportedwtih bhndzeaUythat mak^s warres ^g^i^fi Crojfesj and burnes holypi^Kres, as cflate the Supcrintendc nt cfHcTC (old dtd in the martlet plaic openly, 'Bbbbi R. Ab- nil Oflmxges. R. Abb 0T« Of the figne ofthc Croflc enough hath bene faid before in an- fwer to C-?W^//&«'^/Epiftlc to the King. We condemne it not being takcuasanarbirrarieand indifferent ceremonie, voluntarily vpon occafion accepted by the difcrction of the Church, aid left free ro the like difcretion as occafion requireth, either to be wholly rclin- quillied, or the vfe thereof to be modcratedand abridged without opinion ofanic violation or breach ot religion towardesviod. So long as it was kept within compafTe of being oncly a matter of ad- monitionj atokcnofprofeflion, andoccalion of remembrance of the name of Chrifl:, fo long there was no reafon for any man to con- tend concerning the vfing of it. But fince ic hath growne from be ing a meere ceremonie, to bee accounted as a Sacrament ofgrace and faluation, an inftrument of fan6lJfication and hohneffe , con- taining a fpirituall vertue and power of blefTing, and miniltring in- ward ilrcngth againft our fpirituall enemies, it hath concerned the godly difcretion and vviledome of the Church , to vfe due care to redrelTc thofc erroneous and fupcrftitious conceipts thereof, which tend to the detriment and wrong of the faith and name of Icfus Chrill. We haue receiucd no commandement thereof from God, noinftitution of lefus Chrilt, no word or warrant of the Apoftles, and therefore beeing brought in by men, it oughtto becrubie6lto the iudgemcnt ofthc Ghurch,and not the Church tyed to any bon- dage ofthc vfe of it». Our Church therefore hath vfed her hbcrtie inthisbehalfe, and though weedenienotbut that the figne of the Croflc were tn mofifreeiuent vfe, as M. "Bijhof (aith^ in the primitive (^urch, yet confidering it to bee a thing iniurious to the taidi and crofTe of Chrift where it is made a matter of myfticall confccra- cion and bleffing, hath difcharged vs of it where it was taken in that fence : and yet that wee fceme not wholly to explode that which antiquitie hath approoued, hath there retained it where it may Carrie no fhew ofbeinglubieft totliatconftru6lion. Wc vfe it not to our felues, to our meates and drinkes, to the water of Bap- tifme, to the bread and wine of tlie Lordcs S upper , or anie other- where where it was vied with that meaning as in Popericicwasv- fed in all thefe : wee vfe it in baptifme with the application firft in- tended, and to them which yet knowe not the vfe of it, that chat which \i done to them (nay be a remembrance to vs, & to them alfo whea of Images, 1119 when they (ball hereafter knowc and fee the fume in otl)ers> oot to be aihamcd ofChnll crucified, and of the bearing of hit croilc, but with courage and conftancic ro follow him whole in baptifmc wee haue vowed our felucs to bee. VVc know the Papills themiclucs aic not io frequent in the vfe of the croflc in their ordinaricconucrla- lion, aslomeancientertimei haucbeene , and therefore as they themfclucs haue done in part, fo they muA giuevsleaue further alio as occafion requireth to rclinquilh the cuftome of it. Now then as touching the tcltimonicsotantiquitie which M.BtJbof allcdgcth for the approuing ihcreofjfirrt 7 erthll$an and Amhr^fe and C-j) tl^o finiply note the vulgar vfc of it, which in them and in thole times we condemne not : they had their rcalon for the vfing, and lb haue weforth*Ieauingofit.6',/f»y?<«rgoetbftirthcrandfaith,that * vn- ^^I'li^'^i'sl^d ieffc the (ignetfthe crojfe beafpltedto theivattrofbA^tifme^andto the fg'^umwfiMdhtbt. Jacrijice vhererfith thefAtthfuliare noMrtjhedyneuher if them is rtghtlj ""cudcTuHmjiui*^ M'erderliAue. h\^lhcc xutzutih nthtlj or crderly mitivc^ ot the '/'/"^'"•fl-:"^'^'- order andPitcmc ot the Church , not as touchmg any ordinance ^m* chnjm^uvm^ ofGod,cucnasifwcwould(ay,thatbaptirmeis not rightly adnu- ^'^"J''^-^/|^/j'*^»* nillredwith vs without adding altci wards tlicfigncol tiic cro^'e, mhinrnvt-inti' who yet account no religion or hohncflc at all in the adding of it, '"f ""•''• and ;}cKhcr hold baptifine to be the better m the hauing, nor the woric in the wanting of it. The f^crtfice of which 5. ^«^V»«r there Ipeakerh, thcl''rotcHantswantnot,howfoeuerinrcfpc6totPopifh abufe thcv toi bcarc the name* He fpcaketh of sfacnfice yrheu niih thefatthi till are r.onrtftjed, which is our Sacrament whereof they arc coiiimuTiicants and partakers , not the Popifh facnfit c where they arc only lookers ( n. See what hath beene laid hereof bclorc in '' an- b Sin. 27 IwcrotthcEjirtlctothcKing.As forChrilincor holyojUy as M, 'Btfltop tcruKth It, Ipoken of in the lame place by S.^n/h»,tUc Pro- teftants arc in no putfHlItaki»g tor the want of it, becaulc they wane nothing thereby that Chrilt hath rommanded to bee had. ( he an- cient Churciics vied their ceremonies at their difcrction , '- Fuher c f-*/t j"f-f-/. - Stafhlettjis notcth many ceremonies of oldctimc vied, which arc ;^,'*2^{,'"''''' now quite omitted in the Church ofRomc. Wc Icaue out Chndnc by the lame authoritic whereby tlicy haue left out of their ceremo- nies fo many pubhkcly receiucd in ancient time. But fo much the sathftdowctorgoe this, that we may notfecmeto vphold that ab- hominationofPopcrie, whereby in their coniurations and benedi- B b b b 3 ttions 1120 Of Images. ftionsihcygiuc power to thcfc impotent creatures of water ^ oylc, fait, and fuch other like, to feruc for fonUs health and for forgiuenejfe 9ff%nnes^andforre[ifltHgthepTVsroft}oe dtttell ^ which arc no other but blafphemous deuiccs, meere illufions of Sacan,drawing men to put their truft in thelc trumperies, that they may ncgle6t true faith d M^u, sp,r. and truft in Chrift himfelf.*^ ^^jj/mentioncth tlie figne of the croflc 'f"llrlcVZ\^i nootherwifebutinbaptifmcaswcvfcit. As for his fpeechoftra- jj-U m cbriftum dicioHS, what we arc to attribute vnto it, hath bccnc before ihewcd n^lZT^'^"" i'l t^ic quellion thereof, Tlic words oiOrigen do nothing concernc the outward fignc of the croflc made with the hand^butdic inward t Origin Exod.ht. fignc andprintthcrcof condftingin faith. What do the dine! sfeare mt'n^VqHid'tle^ Tvhat.doetheytremblsatWndoHhtedlj at the crejfeofChri^,rpherehy^ mttnt ?fin€ dnb!* ffj^y yygyg trimnfhtd Ofter^ vehershj they roireflrippedsfthei^prittcipa'* quAtrmmfhatifat Itttc and power.Thcref ore fcarc and tremhUngihal fall vpoH thentyVphen in qu* txHujt^nt they [hallfeefaithfiilljfAJiened in vs the figne of the crejfe, ^'the great- &f>tteftM.,T.m}r nts of thut armc Tvhich the Lordflretchedforthvponthf^mHfe.There" i trg» & tumtr f - A;.^ „g othcrwife mil thsy fear e thee^ except they fee in t^mihf ^c'rofse of dent Juper eos cum-' . „ •', ^ ■' iriii n t • t fignnm in nobu, Chrijt, except thou canftfajj^odforbid th'^t I jhoalde reio'jce but in thg ddCV'^!"/' ^^"f" "f""^^ ^'^^ ^'fi*^ ^^'^i^.' ^^^^ ^5 '^^" ^^^^ ^^^^^ ^^ fig"^ ^^ ^hc magmtHdMtmbr* croflc whcrcat the deuill is difmayed, eucn thcfaich of Chrift cruci- w^ix/w1/L*' ^^'^J ^^^ °^^ glorying and rcioycing in him onely, whereby we arc €ruce. Ntntetrgo luwatdly figued aud matkcdto be his. That which Gregory N.t«*- fil^dlZ'tnt!"' ^'^^^^^ rcpoftcth of lu/ian the Apoftata we are fomcwhat doubtfull 4rMce>n chrifti: mfi of, bccauic it may be a matter either milrcported or mifconftrued, M!h/!ljit'*gtnlu ^ff^*^» and his coniurcr goe into a darke cauc to confult with tlic di- <^*- uell aboutgcttingthc Empire Thcdeuillbeginnethafter his won- ted maner to appearc. luliatt bcingatraid figneth himfclfe with the croflTe, the dcuill hereupon departeth away* Being brought againe, hec departeth againe vpon the fame occafion. The coniurcr tellcth JHlian^that it was not for fearc that the deuill went awayjbu: becaufc he deteftcd his making of the figne of the croflc. Now the queftion is, how this matter commcth to bee knowne, for here was no body but liilian and the coniurer and the deuill , and we cannot well ima- gine who ihould be the true reporter of it, Againe, it is doubtfull wliether the hiftorians do make right conftruCTion of this accident ifitwerefo,/«/w»wa$a vile niifcreant, awretchedcaitifcjCuena limine of the deuill, and what, fball wee thinkc that with tW figne of the crolTconcdcuilldrlueth away another i It is likely that the coniurcr OflmAgfs. 1121 coniurcrkoew well the meaning of the diuctt,thacicwasnot(br if care chat lie went aw'ay-,but oncly for that he could not abide that anie that came to askc counlcll oi him, (liould make anic Hicwe of liauing to doc wnh Chrill. Wliatfoeucr the matter there wcrc,wcc vndoubccdly rcfoiuc^that it is buta mecre illuHon of the diucll , to ifecmc to goe away at the fignc of the croile, when in the heart there jisnofaitiiorbclicte in the croflc of Chrid, 9,smlu/ian there was none. Asforthatwhichhee citcth out oi (^hy/oficme » that ^ the f^,,^^/-,. ;i,^. htrdds cfkwgSArenotfo deckedyvith thetr diademes as vptth thejjgr.e of Slifti chnfintfit the cfojfc , our moft noble King Umcs will confcflc no Icflc, and we %T,f,a!ZZ"'Z will fublcribe the fame , thatthc_greateft honour of his Crowiie is ^*"«r c*pmivt the n^ne of the croflc jas an acknowledgement of the ionnc otC^'^** ^oUiliatclicdvpontlic croflc. The glorie of pearlcs and precious ^ floacs ismorcallandtranfitoricjbut immortali is theglory of that v\liichhis Maicftic profcflcth, by Varingthc fignc ot the croflcP vpon his Impcriall Crownc. That othcrwile the iigne ot tlic croflc isnctnovvelo atfc6lcd and admired as Chryfeftome there dcfcri- bc [ lijic IS partly for that there is not fo great occafion thereof nowc ?:i tlicntl!crcv%'as,whenasChriftians hued fo commonly amongll Jj tlic heathens partly for chat Poperie hath fo intollcrably abufed j itj and by hniltcr and fupcrftmouj fancies and opinions of ir, hath putit intothe Jiandcs ofconiu rcrs, forccrcrs, witches 5 charmers, who moll damnably haue made it one of the fpeciail inflrumcnts of their diutlliHi and wicked praftifes ♦ Now therefore it is enough forvSjihatinfubltanccoffaith concerning Chrift crucified, wee agree with the auncicnt Church : as for the chaunge of an accident orccrcmonicjitisnotrufficicnttoputanic dilJercnce betwixt the andvs, IhchoulcofGodceaflcth not to be the fame , for taking/^ away a pccccofanappentife which hath benefo beaten with vvindig T,r»K/^f #/.*. and rainc, as that It is quite rotten, and yecldeth tothewallesnei- \%^^'I''^"J^*' ther ornament nor defence. Thechaungc therefore* arilcth not fo &t, muchofvs,asofthechingitfcltc , which howfocueritwas aun- 5^fi^"),I[^£j^'',* ciently reputed of, yet hath fincc berle made, tliough Aiutfier crntti r„c»hmu» 'Bijhop will net haue it fo thought , a point cffuperjiit ion a)id plume "^\[^l ^H^ugmti Jk yfiiichcmft. The auncicnt Church would noibe thought 8 /owxi^^ ,s tcnfutu Areligtonofihe Crojfe , and TertuUtan yec continuing found , ac- i„rumytJifTnm quitcth tlicm thereof t^ Wee dee no vorJhtptoCroJf^-s i'nicihMi- [1[\'^^" f""'^' fiMHs Felix imitating and more plainely exprefling the meaning " B b b b 4 of 1 122 ofl^Ages. t ^mbr>f.piji. 77 ofTertuliiMy^HtftufikU he to the Psi^ns.v^ho eonfecrdtey^todden p,r tHtmeni*jtngu fodf^do hapijworjfhipWioddfncrofcj df feeces of your gods. ^Amhrofe \*/:^:':lZZ:l makcth thisthcvfcofthe fignc ofthc croffc, that ' thereby a Chri- fcribtt,vtp<,t, nut j}i^„ fff^ff gftgyy while VfTtteth vpon his owne forehead the contempt of mwifrilum'ft ' death, as who J^weth that withoftt the crojfe ofChrifl hee cannot kefa" *l'^''l"'^ll'fiii,f*^d- When luhan obicded toChriibans the vfeof theGrofl^, 6PrlLfi'"^mcrHci Cw/makcth nomorethcrcof but this that,* theymddeitinremem ^"'"T '" T"*'"" hrance ofaUqoodHes & allv rf «r. Whatfocucr they fay of the crofTc nit v:rtKtu. or ofthc figne or thcerofle^thcy rercrrc it to the faith of Chrift cru- 8 Mr^"«f*'^y?!'>^^ficd,nottothecrofle itfclfe,but to the inward cogitation ofthc n'MaMenstaiefir bencfice of his cfoflc,'' The mind marked with the crcjfeisitWCyrit, ' tirr^t.tJr ti plentifully fedwith heauenlyfoode^dgrace of the holy GhoJi:whofoe^ Mffatimpafciur fffr ttimcth thc cjes of his rmndto Chrtft nailed to the crojfe hepjallhe^ Usam^ilTcln^ firt^i'^it^^tiredfrom allwofindofjtnne. Theyvfe the outward fignc twncrMufixHm ottely totume the minde to th^Jjchoulding of the croflc of Chri(|» vmin!r?fC*ululh thereby hoping to receiuc comfort and defence. But Poperie hath r»r4feif«r. ^ taught mcn lb to receiuc, as if God had giucn to the figne ofthc yAt'qHZuq'!!*dr4 croflcfome formal power to doe great wonders for vs, in this fence itf.ocntxAHtjpe, hauc witches 6c charmers borowed it from them,as was before faid ur»p»rt,^Hitpyi Htz Popcry hath taught men molt blafphemoully to fay to the iuft,rUm,Ti,,f3, vvooddcnCrcfTc; mOr»m>uttDt' ^ ^il-haile^OGroffie,dHr»nelyhope 7;^"t lnthis,imc^.hep.JIim: ntiietrthat i^gnuTi*- To godly men increafe righteoufneffey ;\X";i-. ^ndto offenders grant forgmenc^c, ;ztnerihi4»iam,jit Thcy haucmadc the people to worlhip it, to pray to it,to do toit ^ruJo^Jumptl"*' all manner of rehgious deuotio^as if the woodden crofl'e were to be /kWirr^i,™^;,, taken for Chrift himfclfe. Vpon pretence that hee hanged vpon a *ri^TihPo[!mo^^ croflcthcy haue attributed that to the croffc which beclongcth tO' iHuu AdHirfu* chrift oncly .Confidcr the prayer which they make for conlccratio. ^rHrn&l:"""^ of thccrofle; ^tVe befeech thee O Lord^ holy Father^ that thou wilt ? ^ «od u 4 1/mchfafe to bleffe this wood of thy croffcy that it may be afnuing remedy to m^inkindyfirength offaith^ftirtheranceofgood worlds, and aredeni ptiot f Jostles :that it may bee a comfort, prote^ton and defen ce dgainfi allthe cruelldartes of the enemies, &c. This is nothing clfe but to feC vpa blocke or a pieceof wood \i. ftead of Chrift^ and to caufe men^ to fdy vnto it,Thou art our redeption & fdluation,eucn as the Ifi^ac litcf faid ofthc golden Calfc^ n Ihefcdre thy Gods which brought thet of Images. 1123 cut ofthcUnd ofEgip, Thcfc and fuch other like borli impious bla- (phcmics and Jupcrilitious fancies , hauc caufed vs to content our lelues with the taith of Chrift crucified,and to forbearc the outward ceremony otchc croircjwhich was of old vied only as a token of the profcnionoidiatfaitn. For conclufioaot this matter of the croflc thou mull noic gentle Reader that it is buconely a crolfe wl^reof tlicy all rpc;ike whom he hath alledged ^ of the Crucifix they lay no thing. And loindecd they vfed barely the crofle, buc the Crucifixe in tliolc limes was yet vnknowne. / hAtfeemtth tohauegrownefro r,rtj.'4!7.^"r. the pAgA-ns, faith Beatus Rhenanus, thefatherswt>flzingat$t^th^.tfo<:a.i0.ff»rtt. they might be drawn: to Chrtfliatittte* That which came in by conni-^|^"p'';/,m'i2/0rld. pyhenafd- .„,. i thtr moHrn:d for his forme th^t wastttkftt dwayfodair.ty^ hee nrndi an ' irnAfefor him that w/is once dead whom now hee worJh$pptth as a Cod, and ordained to hisferuants ceremonies andfacrifices. Here is t J ic ori- ginall and eifc6t of that fantallicall dcuicc which Maltcr 'Bi(h6p mcntionctii oieternizjng the memorie of men , and »f their noble ails, by makmg Images and pidlurcs of them. Asforthacwhichhcad- dcch ot great incottragement hereby gtuen to all beholders of Juch pour- trait es^t 9 indeamur to imitate their glortjt's examples, they arc the glorious words of a vainc man babhng his ownc conccipis.il: God nadleenctiiistobcca fitmeanestorincouragcmcnttovcrtue, hcc would not haue failed to giuc to Ins people a commaundemcnc thereof, neuherwouldhcby fpcciall law hauc taken away from them all vfc and pradbfe of this incouragcment. He tcUeth vs a talc outofthculccond Niccne CounfelljOta lewd woman reclaimed by thcfightof J'^/fw^w/pidlurc , but hcc muft bring vs a better authoritieifhec will haue vstobelceuc him , bccaufc wcc know it to hauc bene the pra6lilc of that Counccll, to tell their ownc lyes vndcr the Fathers names Surely wee mull thinke that flice was well prepared before , that by the fight of a pifture could bcmo- ued to leaue her vitious and vnchall life . Out of doubt amongli all the pi(5lurcs and Images of their Romiih Church, Maillcr Bi- Jhop cannot giuc vs one example of the hkc. But he tclleth vs that the manifold commodttte cf Images y Itand in the difcrectc and holy, fraHi/eofthfm, anditis likely that that difcretJon and holtnejfe is wornc out from amongft them, and for that caulc not one Cwrri- •c;; can there be in that, in the pra6^i(c whereof God hath pronounced men to be "^ vcide of vnder flan ding} What /7(a//Wj(^ can bee in that f^'-"- 44.19. which heaffirmcth to be' Anabhom:natton?whitprcfit in thatvvJiich ^^ y'^f'/i,, he hath taught vs to be ' profitable fomcthing ? what teaching by uiertm.o.S. that which he callcth" the do^rineofvaty.tty concerning which hc»Ha^« ».iO' bath fjid"^ fVoe vnto him that faith to the dumb eft one ^ Rt/evpyit pjall teach thee ? ,Wliich things confidcrcd, the Sfi^crt^tendtnt tf Hereford^ laith he but good manners would banc taught him to Tay lilt 1 126 of Images the Lord Bifliop of Hereford did iuftly that which he did to take away erode and pi^luresfroin fuchas make Idols of them, and openly to burncthem,»cf/r4«/^fl;'/^^?/7^rr*« rtith blind zjeale^ but led thereto with mature indgemcnt and difcretion, not being like the Trent and RomilhBifliops, who for the moft pan are like the Idols which they worlhip carying a name of that they are notj but a man of learning, and grauity, and wifdome,giuing honour to the place wherein he is, as the place hath done to him. 4. W. Bishop. The diffcrence.iVow to thepoiftts in ccHtrmerfittwhich are three j\ At M.Perkins deltnereth : Thefirji is^in that the Chttrch afRome hoids\ it lavfnll to make Images to refemhle ^od\ though not in reJpeEl ofhiA dinine natter e^yet in rejpeEi of Je7ne properties and aUions.We contrarim faith M. Perkins hold tt^^nlarvfallto make Images any if ay to reprefenl the true God.For thefecond ccmmandement faith plainly Thou llialtj not make to thy felfe any grauen Image, nor the iikcncfTc of any] thing in hcauen,&c,7"/?'«' Tapirs fay that the commandement is meant] of the Images offalfe Godsi,bnt it mnji needs be vncUrflood by the ImagA of the true lehenah^C^ tt forbids to refemble GodyCiiher in h$s natures A or in hts properties andworki'fo^fo/atth the %omane Catechijmvponi thefeeondcommdndement, 1 Anfwer. Thtspajfethallkindof impudencie^ to^uotethe RomaniX Catechifme in defence of that opinion , yvhuh it doth cffet p:trpofe dif-l proMe , It teachcth indeede^that the verjf nature and fubfiance ofCjodA whtch isrvholy^iritnallycannot be exprtjfed and figured by corporallU-l neamsnts ^ conlours^^ alleadgeth the pLices produced by M.PerkinsI toproue that vnlavffull\ yet by and byar.mxeth thefe words: Let no] man therefore thinke it to be againft religion, and the lawe ot Godi when any pcrfon of the moft holy Trinitie is purtraitcd in fuch forcj as they hauc appeared,eithcr m the old & new Teftament,«5cc,!3«#l let the Paftor tcach,that not the nature of God , but ccrtaine pro- 1 perties and a6^ions appertaining to God, are reprefented m I'uchl pictures. If the manhe not pa fi grace Jie will Purely bluQi at fuch afoulA error, Hi stexts of Scriptures are taken onto/ the J ame place of the Cote] chijmfiand doproue onely that Gods proper natnre cannot nor may netbA reft mblodin any corforalljha^i or Uks^effe* TherA oflmdges. 1 1 27 Then Afdifler Perkins rctttrnes to confute the anfwer m^cU him: tLii Idols (tre there only prohibited and/aith, th^t we then coKfotwdtkefiri} Andfecond commaKdrment. For tnthefirfi w^uforbidd. n ..llf.d[e Gods I whichm.m frames vnto htmfdfe, hyj^tutyghs heart ar.d the prtncifJl fiffeBions th'recfv/^to them. (Good) ar.d tn thefecond ( admit two tt to he the feccnd') isforbiddentc draw into any mAttrt.iilltkeMejfe, that JdJlvehi.h the heart had before framed v^tottfclfe^ and to gme tt Ante bodily worp?ippel which is dt^tnciion gto d enough to make twofeuerall commandemcnts* tiowthe Romane Catechifme^ foll.wtng Clement ffAlcxandrina: Lib. 6, Stromat. rf«^5rfm/ AugullincQucll. 7/. fupcrExod, /»«<»' Ep, 1 19. cap. i i^andihe Schoole-doffersm ^,Scm» dilhn6l. 3 '. doth make two commaundemcnts of the Pr.teflants iafl, difltr.gHifhinr^ defiring thy neighbours wife, from coHetv.g thy netgh- ItoHrs goods ^ as theydo,Tbou ihalt not commit adukcric, from 1 i^ou ftialc HOC lleale : andmakj bnt one of the firfi two, becaufe the hrmt r doth forbid inward, and thefecond outward idolatry : and the outward eutdtnw.ird aUtons about the faide obie^ are not/odtfitnEl^ asthedt' priy^g offo diuerfe thir.ges, as a mans wife for lecher te, and his goods of couetoufhejfe : ^ndyet bejideSt *dde another reafon verie probable y that the rewarde andpunt/hmcnt beelonging alike to all the commaunde- mtntSy cannot in good order be thru/} into the mtddle of them, but muFi ke placed either wtth the Rrfi or lafi. Now comprehen ding the two for' mer in tne, the reward is annexed conveniently to thefirff : whereas^ if you make them two', it w out of order, andwithout any good reafcnput after the fecond. This I fay, not to condemne the other deutfton, which many oftheauncieut wruers follow : but tojhew how little reafsn Afai- fierPcrkiDihadto trufl tothat anfwer of his, that we {bouidco} found the firfl and fecond,^hichhe faw the very catechtfme cited by hivtfe Ife ^ doth mik£ but one of both, R. AiiOT iW,5//^tf;i doth much amiflc here to putU?^. 'Perkins 10 x.hch\\ii\v for an oucr-fight, as touching the Romane Catcchifniej and thtrc- invcrie ili prouidcth for himfclfc, who in his ownc bookc hath fcarccly written one leatc, wherein there is not caule for himfcl.e coblulli. Vcrily,Iichathhttlccaurcto bee lo angry with M Ter- ^w, for tliinking better of die Romane Catediifme thenitdocth dcfcrue •• fi28 of Images. dcfcruc : hec oncly poyntcd at it in a marginall note by mcmorie* which ofrcDtimcs dccciucth the carefulleft man. Albeit it may bc< that M^BiJitop and 1 are both decciued, and fo is it very likely,that by oucr-fight oft he u ritcr or the printer , the marginall note is put atter, which fhould be applied to the wordes before. 7 he Taptfies Jay the comma$4tidemcrJ is meant tfthe Images efp.lfe Gcds, Butthc point ©f queftion is, whether it be lawful! to make an Image to rc- prcfent God, We fay it is not lawfull;, beccaufe God hatli whalljL forbidden it, wiien he faith, lh0ujhfilt net make t ■> thy fclfe.ame gtAs, «^»/>»^^r,^r. That hereby God fcibiddeth the making of any I» mage to him, we prooue, for that God after the giuingofthelaw, aducrtifcth hi« people by O'yfcfes, as to declare the inrcnt of this A De«t.4.f 5, commaundcment, that therelorc a theyfarve no imnge in the day that the Lerdfp^ks vnto'them in Horeb out of the mid/} eft he firey becaufi thej fhouldtake heede vnto thtmftlufs^ r.ot tt cerrnft themf clues by ma- king them Agrnuen Image ^ or refrefentaticM oftinjfgp. re. Againe, by the Prophet Efay he expoftulateth the matter with idolaters faying b Efa 40. 1 8 . by, y^hom vptllye ltks» God, or vphat fimtiitude yfiilljefet vp vnto hi-m f tjMrBffhep anfwereth, that tho^e texts de prone ontljthat Gods proper nature cannot or may net b:e r.'Jembled in any arporaUihxpe cr like" nejr. Butifthefe places^rfi-^f c;;f/y/^/.f, what doc they prone more ^-^ then the heathen Idolaters themftlucs freely coniefTcd, fuch at leaft ^ ,, ^,. as were of any capacitic or dilcretion amonalt tbcm. Theykncwe cCyril.cnUulf ■' i i ill- °i i • j an lib.i.i^corp^re thcif Images to bc but corruptible tbmges, nauing bccginning and nmorfcrefiimfi enJ.aiid ciiercfore that they could not exprcfle the nature and con- fer* iw/'ej/We^b ,. • ■' r y I • I I 1 • ftrfeBHm imperfv dition of thc Godhcad, which they knew to be immortall. Hermes «t3?i'2- ''' Trtjm^gtnus as Girill alledgeth, faide, tliat*^ tt is mp^jfible tofignifie / impttirnum cif^r the i ICC rpoTeall God by a bodjy crby a thing V'-perfeB to ccmfrchende s'lX^a/T' '"' th.'.tth^.tisptrfeSiy or to compare thTt that is eternally tothatthatis dMHitt.Ftii.v. ,7 but for a moment, Zensphom follower of Socratesy acknowledgeth 2<:n'olitn sJclL.' that '^ thsformt of the true Cjodcannot befeene, and therefore is not to tumformim Dei be enq'-iircd of', as alfo xArtfio Chius , that the fame cannot bee ccw ^»fe"&'-it}> Cyr.ickcaffirmcd, that ° God is hot l/ke to any, a}id therefore th.it no "ZftZ^'Dr, f^-'-f* (^^^^'^rne him bj jm f mage f So doth E^rtpidcs (or thc notifying ttUi^e-ui^ titpcY'^- ttt^t '■■ -'!'-m.t . c Clsrr.erJ^leXAni.m{ritrt$t,,AnU^h(ntsdieitDtHmnidl\eJfefimiltm:^Mrt$H»*pem»foU^ di^ cn'ce^.ttvuv-iiit. -of vfGodvfetlicfcvvoordcs: f ^/;#/rr/^«i///Ai»^r/, undhimftlfctsnot , . ■ « feene. Plato faich : g it is hard to findc out the father and m.:k^roj the <,rL,,ip^/J„^ •worldy and vfhen thou haftfoHndhmti it ts vrfojfihle to decLre him : ','7i,''ir, , ,r/rfc ycahcfaichturclicrjthat'^ no nam: is fitting toh/m, andthat no k^.ow- '"> r-iirt>ncr ,gf ledge cdn comprehend him^and the names that are giuen htm are t^\ k^n ^/Xc",%'"<^'(i^ ofafter-ffells, Andabufmelj/poken^f htm. It were infinite to al- "»'"/"/«"'••• ledge all that migiit be here brought, to fliew that the Pa&snsand'i.'rf Y/.TiX Heathens tockc the proper narure of God to bee inccmprchcnfi- '■'' ' ^' t"*^'* Die, ancUhcrcJ-Qre made not their images as to exprttle the dcuic, i'.,Hw;.m..»fri«« Dutcndvas i'ftncsandTKadovvcs fitting the condition andlhte ct'''''?'''''"*""* mcn» And it the heathen idolaters concerned tiius, much moi c are ,,Kp,,t.,>dcyt,fU we to think (0 of the lewes, that thcv well vnderflood that tlie ma- ^/.f"/"; •""5'** icltieot the iiiimoitall God could not bee letiorth by thchguicsor p.^r^Mcr.tM^,/,, forme of any creature. What, when tlicy made ' the golden Calfe, ^*/'"-' '"^'* and vvorfliipped it^doth M.BiJhep imagine them to be (iich Calues, i tiiod.ji.4, as to ihinkc God liuiilclfc to bee like a Callc ? They knewe their Calfc could not fctforth the proper nature of a Calfe, and therefore mull n cedes bee farrc off from thinking that it could refcmble the proper nature of God. So was it likewife as touching the Calues that were fet vppc at ^ Dan and Bethel: they were fct vppe as vifi bic ^ ^ ^ingi j.jt fignes at which they fliould worfliip God, but neucr did they think that the propcrnaturc ofGod wasdefcribedorrcfcmbledbythem. As the Romanes at firft worfhipped' i^tars their God of battcll by , ^,^^ ^/,^^„^ a fpeare, not becaufe they thought him to be like a fpeare, but bee- ,nfrcu^ffi{tmA caufe the fpeare imported his property and adl, lb the leu'es wor- ^7*m* )»/'--'* (hipped God by a Calfe, not thinking him to beehkevntoit, hx^^ii'^rmiilcifiri^u* thereby onely to beetoken him , who by the Oxe in the tillage of ^ ""** the ground, miniftrcth bread for the fultcnance of the life ofir.an, NowtlicreforeMairter^z/^e^yeeldeth vnto them a good Ape- ^ logic and defence of all their Idolatry committed in thcic Calues J For they haddetofayfcrthemfelues, that tlicy irefpaflcd not the commaundcment of God, bcecaulc tlieydidnot intcndeby their Images to relcmblc the proper nature of God, but did onely rcprc- fentium in his cfl'c6ls, which the comandcmcntforbiddctli not. Cut this Icruicefcrucd not iheturne,neither did the people of God euer // dreame that by tlus diftindbon they might take liberty to (ct vpp a- ^ nic Imae,c vnto God. Yea, and therefore doothc3/<»/^/ tell tliem, as before was allcdgcd, tliat th.-j/awe nj Im.'.ge in the d.'.y rrhe-s the Lctdi 1 1 5© Of Images, Lord fpaks vHfe theWthtcaufc tiicy fhould make honc,no not to rc-^ prcfcnt liim in his properties and adions, bccaufc hcc appeared in nofuifh, rhcrcfcredothhcbythc Prophet difdaimc the /;j^»i»^ efhinty andthefetting vp cfajimilittide vnte him, bccaufc hec will no way be likened, nor will hauc any fimilitudc to reprefent him in his properties and tfle6ls. Tliereforc Origen telleth Celjtis the Pagan, ^^ thatc»mmonjer.cedothv(>ill men to thiffJ^ethiitGodisttot delighted 7tif"i*.l'c"'^» Vfith hmour tf images made bj metij to reprefent his likenejfe or ante Jig- . nufinfu*^ »^g./*r« HifcAtton ofhipt^ ytz^ who Ijiith hec, that hath his nght wits will not . a*ri Dettmhtc laHgh At him^ who after thofe excellent andverjphtlo/ophicalldiJpfttMf.. h.ntTtima^'n^r, ■ ^oncemtHi GodoT the Cods doth loeke to imaqes. and either cfe- Mut ftgnu»nir> reth prajers vnto tbcm^or bjthc contemplattcn thereof , as ojjcme vtjt- "I'jl"""" *'" hUJignegoeth about to lift vppe his mind to the cogitation of^od thereby n ib,d. i.7.j^« to be vnderfiood ? Thus he vvholy cxplodcth all vft of Images for anic i'ld'Jt'^mqTp.^ fignificationofGod, oranyrcprefcntingofhim, as thereby to bee ,jr,^;*<,ii^ .f rciiiembrcd or vnderftood of vs* We may not therefore lo vndcr- TJflt^DlofiHc'i^s ftand the commandcmcnt of God,as to Icaue men at liberty to com di^ptsaiiinti ji^tu mil idolatric, and to hold themfclues fufficiently excufed, for that /t«vf/B «/-r»*l«» they mcanc not by their Idols to refemble the proper nature of the p:ri4rumc>s:u^.- Qodhcad. Butthcy further tell vs, that God by tbatcommaundc- ^(s^Tailut^Tin- mcnz forbiddeth onely Idols, that is as M* 'Btfhop cxpoundeth,ci- jficutcon^tHra.m ^j^^j. iijigpcs that afc takcH for Gods, or Imaaes of falle Gods. So i)>,Agt»Ati,>umi.i then take away ralle Gods, and here is no rorbidding or Images at ,d!>.t- all : they fhall be a part of the religion and worfhip of the true God both in himlclfe and in his Saints, onely wee mult take hecde that we do notadmit by them any falfc God, Thus they tircumcifeand pare the commaundcmcntsofGod, and force them by their con- llru6lions into fuch compaffe, as that they may doc what they hll, andyctnotlccmc to bee witliin anycheckcofthcm. But to this M. Terktns anfwertthjthat ti:is rtiould be to confound the firlt and iccond commandemenr, the one forbidding all inward, the other ail outward idolatricj which yl/.^iyZ'f^acknowledgcth to be dijlin^i en good enough to make trvo Jeuerall commaundiments^ and yet will not be content to reft vpon that diftinftion. Hee will net iondtmne ity but yet neither will hec commend or follow it, bccaufc hcc well knowcththatitcondemncththcm of hainous iiiipictie and faery- ledge againft God, for that they then in their ordmaric Pr immers And CatechifmcSjdo wholy Icaue out one of Gods comoundcmets and ofifMgts, jijr and cannot dcnid bat they do fo. Now they hauc 'Tome colour for thactheydoe, asfctcingdownebutabricfeand the capicall matter of the commaundcmcnt J buc itthatdilUni^ionbeadmittcd^thcy hanc nothing to excufcthemlcluesotleauing out the wliole com- niaundcment. And thus they do indeedc to the vttermoft of their power fupprcfle and conccale this fccond commaundcmcnt : and whereas they cannot preuaile but that fome will bee rcaduig, yet they fb order the matter that they fhaU take no knowledge of that in their reading, Icaft thereby they grow to any dillikc or (iifpition •ftheir idolatry. But the diftmftion of thofc two commandementa ismanifcft, God in the one condemning ail falP: gods, in the other all faUeworfhip, as namely, in making any image vntoGod,orm way of deuotion & feruicc to him, or the image of any other thmg wliatfoeuer, to yeclde thereto, or otherwifc without an image to yeeld totlic thing it fdfe any part of deuotion and rchgion , which is^athing belonging to God oncly. And wc cannot doubt but that therc'isonecomiPaundementfcrprcferuingtheextcrnail worfliip cPh,u.imd.d*D, of God entire and pure, to which as to the head ( thefe ten com- "''if'^"/*""* m'andements '^ hetft^ not cuely lawes hut alfo heads «r capital/ pohjts cf ucMUunm. farticnUr lawcs, as Philo well noteth)aU the particular lawes a s tou- J^'^'J;^' ^"'^^-^ ching that matter ofthcworflTip of God are to be rclerrcd . Which m,!wfT4tiptmm bfciaufe they cannot bee taken tobecontaincdinany of the other J,7^^'^|/;^"7,_ three commaundemenrsjthcrefcre we muft neccil'arily take this as a /"'^»"« //fhiU, reckoning, the firfl ctmmAHndement. that thcKf is one Gcd. "•/'£»"'. frimm J I I I °n- J I r j; jr ' 'P ii* [urn D,m, dftd he onely to be vptr\htpped : thefecondy that no tma^e of any creature ,ut Delimit ^4i. is to hee adored. In the lame fort doth ^Hhatutftus dillmgiunithcm ,''* "a ir*"/""" ^Thefirfi $s, I am the Lord thy Cjod \ theftcond^ Thou [h^lt not make &c Uthy/e/fe anj image or any ti'krnejfe. <9r/(r^« faith, that ^ /one tcoi^e ifj^i^^jJ.^ZL tho/e two commandemetJts to be one '. but iftvefo take them, faith he, we r.cnnuiii pHid>,t v . fballnot muks vp the number often comandemer.ts,andwhere then fh all '^cJi'i7fMnt'Mr ttthetrM[hoftheHameoftheT)ecalo9Het namely, which fignifieth ''•'»f«'»f>*"«r ten commaundements .' He faw weU that tlwrc can be no i cafon of „['7jl^c7m& x.b* deuiding the laft commaundcmcnt as we reckon it intotwo.and >'"> tr,t du^Ui* therforc that there can be but nine vn!es we dirtinguifh tht two Hrll in fuchfort as hath bin faid.But the Romanc catcciiifire M. 'Bifhop Cccc tclkth 1 1 fl OfjTtMges, celleth vs doth otherwi(c,fbUoVfing therein the diuifion of ^ufiiut tn^ Clemens AUxantbrinm ^ deuiditjg the 'Pr9teji4nts lafl ctmmMHM' dementia* two. Where we ftc the courfc thatthcy follow in the vfc of the Fathers writings,namcly, that howlbeucr they profcfTc roftand to the generall accord and agreement of them , yet if fomc one or two varying from all the reft doc fcruc their turnc, dicyleaue allthercft,and the niatter fhallgoe with tlicm. As for the Sch^*/e'd0^ers , M.BiJhop. did but put them in to fill vp the roonic: tor little rcafon is there that the ftreamcs of our religion fhouldbctakcntorunneoutof puddbeMhathaue beene fo lately digged, andaswelltiiight hee haue named hin^lclfe and his fel> lowcs as haue named them. Butbyrea(onhee will make it good^ that there is more reafon to confound the two firft commaunde*, mencs, then to make one of that which we call the laft : becmfe tk fir/if ffrifiddsng ifiKf/irdy 4tndthefic0fidoHtw4rdid»iatrj , thje' oHfwm Mndi)n»ardaBi$ni ahutthe/kme obieB are not J9 di^tnii al the dejpf, ring offo diners things^ as a nums rfife ftr lechery^ Mid hts goods ^ cone* uifjfnejfe* Which reafon of his is alreadie ouertlirownc hy that that hath been fayd of the difference of two firft commaundements. For thereby wee fee that as God and the worfliip of God arc tw diftind things , fo the commaundements muft be diuers which in- ftru6l vs to conceiue of our dutie in rc(pc6t of both . The firft com mandementrequireth of vs an acknowledgement of one true God the fccond requireth the true worftiipping of him. A man may ac knowledge one onely God > and that hec onely is to bee worlhi ped according to the firft commandement, and yet breakc the (c- cond commandement by woriliipping him amifl'e, as by letting vj an image whereby to worfhip him, which hee there forbiddeth t be done. Therefore thole termes of itwdrd and outward idolatriet Mo not fuf^ciently diftinguiQi thofetwo commaundements ^ be< ^'jcaufcthefirftcommaundcment is broken by outward idoIatrie,i; / the outwardeprofciTing and following ofanyfalfe god: and thcr ['KifmardidoUtrie againft the fecond commaundement in the in Iward framing ofidoMcruiccvnto the true God. Here is then very materiall ground of difference betwixt the firft and fecond co93* mandemcnt, but a filly reafon is it to alledge a di£^rence of things couetedanddefiredjtomake thereby a diuifion of the laft com« maundcmcnt;.The thing there forbidden is luft and conctipifcence 1 of Images , nj5 as the roote and founcainc of all Hnn&aBii Wickecineire, and there- fore chcApoftlcfcttccIidownc for the whole cffcft of that com- ^- ftiauddcmcnt,' lh4n(liAlt »et /v/?,and callcth it oftcn^ tht commdurh- 1 rH'xfJim dr^jbccaufc th^ings arc diucrs that arc lulled after, there muft be a neceflitie of making more cammandements, becaufe as there are luds tending to couc- touTncdc and lechery .fo there arc alfbthat tend to difobcdicncc, to I tnurther,to lying and ilaundering, and fuch like, and therefore by l(£ 0^,Bifltops realon there fhould bee (b manic feucrall commaunde- j mentsagaind lu(l.6ut to (hew that that diuifion which they follow n not eood, we may note tliat whereas tliey make the ninth com> tiiaundefncnt,77;«/if><(4r ntt conttthj neighlfurs jw/f, and the ten thy Thou fh ait rft coHet thy netghbourt hauje^ &c^ which order may not be broken if we will dcuide the commaundcxncnts as they do: Mo' /^/himfelfedooth alter the fame, andfettcthitdowneas itwasfirft cndited tliu$>" IhouJhJtnot couet thytteighkours h»ufe,thcttJhAlt not ■ ix04.2e.17. » n c$Hct thy mi^ottrt w^t^or h$sJ«rMnt, &c.9sit was aifter repeated C^< thus, * lhuufh.Ut*t9t couet thy rteigbhows yvffe, thou Jhait not cotitt *D«t.j.i7. J thyntighboHrshttft^ mt h^jifumt^^. and by foipditferent pla* cingot thofe two branches, infallibly prooueth that tlicy arc not two commaundcmcnts but one only .If M^tjhop wil not yceld this We would know howe he will order the commaundemcntSjasin the twcntith of Exodus they were firft dcliucrcd from the mouth of God ? If he will make tht hinth commaundcmcnt,? honflj^U not r#- uet thy neighbours koufcy then hec mull fay that the nmth and tenth doe both Icrue to forbid the coucting of our neighbours goods. If hec will not lay ^o , hee muft accordc with v$ that thofe two which they dcuide are but one commaundemcnt, and tiicrclore that which tlicy make but one, muft beiJeuidcd into tvvoJlis other rea- son \% ofthc lame moment as the former ,rW rnrsrdandfumlbment belonging ultkf to nil the comftMndcmenttymnJi befUcedttther with tho firnorwith theUfi,B^t UW .^i/6«confidcreth not,that there 1$ a pu- nifliment or thrcatning annexed alfo vnto the third cominandcmct tod yet it u no argumet to fay, that therefore it muft bee the firft. Cccca Agamc, 1 1 54 Oflmdges, Agaise, hee confiderech Aot that G O D^ anacxeth chat p.romif« andchreatni^'tothciecondrcommaundemeiit, not for the order but for the matter of it » to mooue hispeople fomuch the more at» tcntiuely to regard it, asgiuingto vndcrftand that it moft highly prouokcch him, to haue the honour that belongeth to him giuen to ftockcsandftoncs, and that men fhould falldowne to the workcj of thcj|o wne handes. And this the »ycnptur« moft plentifully tea- chethvs, thatGod info high manner dcteftech this aboue other yRoin.i.24'»C- finncs,as i\v3X.iox\\\[syhegiHethmenMert0 their owne hearts Injis^to * vt!e affeBtottSy t$ a reprobate fcnfe^ to do thofe things thdt are not c^nHc Mtent, tliat by all fihliynelfe and vncIeannciTe they may duhonouf thcmfelues who haue in fo baftand vile fort difhohourcd him.Vcry pregnant example whereof we liauc in the Church of Rome, whicU fince it gaue entertainment to this idolatrie^ hath made it fcife a vc<* rie (inke of finncjftinking and lothfomcboth to Chriftians and In* 1 fidels^ ncucrccafing runmng headlong from one corruption to an-j other, from one wickedneffcto: another,- vntill it had madcyp a fulf meafure ofall abhomihation, and became according to the wordes c IoI«.i8.». oiSdohffy * an habitation ofietulsythe hoU 9f aUfonhfpirkJ»& a cam (feHcryvncteaneaudhatef nil bird: Nowe therefore God knowing howc prone and rcadie his people were to.thh groflc idojaCri< whereof they preicntljrgaue example in wwlbipping the goldca calfcj giucth them a4>CGiall warning in this behaltc, tcUcth them i that he is a telous God: and tliereby fignifieth, that as the ielodic of the Iiusband cannot endure that the wife vrtder any pretence yceld the vfagecf her body to another^ nor can bee (atisfied by hauing it anfwered to him, that fliedDriiit not as to her husband, butonely>| as to her husbands friend,and for lo.uc to her husband, fo he cannc brooke the communicating of his worfliippe vndcr any pretence tc idols and images, toblockcsandftones, nor takethitforanfwerc that wee account them not as gods, but doe it thereby to honoui God, but moft feuercly reucngeth this filthic polluting of the re- ligion that isduc vnto him.This is tlie caulcofannexing the threatr ning tothis fecond commaundemeht ^ and very fimply dootb the RomaneCatechifmegatlKrtbercQ^t}^ confounding of it with the firft- . :.■......„ .-,;-,. . ' ." ,:*ai-.Lj>idiia*j;iii-jiQV*ab isdi ,\i,io3 3imi:gTSw;- |* W1..B l-*^- of Images. \\^^ W. B 13 HO p. But M. VcrV^Mgoeth on ^nd faith, th*t 0Hr difiiti^iM htwetne /- mage Mttd ldcli{tl9At ImAie refrefe> teth a thing thattSy hut ah Idell Mthtng[nfpofedto hee httt tj net ) isfdifeandagAwJi the auncient tvrt' ters^ wh* nmkf it a Hone* fVee frcue the ctntrary yfirji by the Authtntie ffthe ancient D0£iors,Ongcn' and Thcodorct 'whtm exfrejfrwtrds * H.m.i m deliierthe/ame dtfferenee of Image and idcUy T»h$ch is taken out #/S. f'*^- _ Paul, * fyingthatanidolltt nothingintheworldythat ts^jMch idols as *i^t.i" "' the heathen take for their gods^are nothtngformallj^that is^ thongh thej hegreatpeecesofweodorflcne materialtj , jet thejrnrefent a thing that is noty that tsjuch a thing to he a godj rvhtch is nothtr.g lejfe, Le$ M. Perkins but quote cne place in the whole 'Bible ^ where they are vfed both for one t 1 will cite fomey where ifyouvfetheoneforthe ether y yon mnfi of- fend all good Chrijiti^n eares : as where a man isfaid to bee made nfter the im^tge cf Cod^mayjoufay after ike tdoll of^od f C^rifi tsfayd to be the im/tge of hts Father : wtllyou callhimthe idcllofhts Father ? Surely hee cofuict dcn%€ hut thefeuenth genera II Councell holdtn about nino hundred yeares pafi andgone, isfafarre off from maktngtmage And idoS alloney that tt dothaccurfe all them who call the image ofChrtft and his Saints^ idols , S/c/Tcrtullian * (faith M.PcrkinsJ affrmeth them to beeall one ; •ptUouim not Jo nnthcr for he maketh Idolum a dtmtnuttue cfcidos,wh$chfgri~ fiith a forme or firndttude : fo th.it 1 dolon is but a fmall ftmtlitude or fltndtr image, not jo muihfor the quantitie ^ as for that tt reprefemeth but durkeij* Euftatlmis an excellent Creeke interpreter ,' v^on the eleuenth books ('j Homers Odillea , defcrtbeth Idolum to Jignifie a vaino tindv-i^:i/hirgtmagf, ^s the fltadowofa man, a gho(l, or phtntajft- callim^'ftnatfcn. A>:d Jo it cannot bee that all prcphane ^uth.rs rfe thefetwj tvordsindtjfrer.tly .feeing both in proper f^nificif ion , and ^y the drclaration of the learned there is great difference between e \^But Saint Stephen cah the golden (falfe an idollyfoitwasindeedel ffhat isth^t to the purpofo ? AndSamt Vhcromcfyth, that idols are the imtgcs of de,id men, Ccic 3 ijidde) 11^6 • of Images . {adde ) that are taken for gods iTrue^ manj idols he Imagesl^l fkeh as trHlyreprefeyttAnjperfonthatT»as§nce iMtnghiere y Imt m images be idols ^ vnlejfe it be taken fgr a god : ^Atdfo idols nejuires befdss the /- mage^ that abi.m^de Ag^d, or the im^ie ofafalfegod, R. Abbot* Hccrc is nothing but fraud and faliliood 5 and a ridiculous fliif^ cing ofthc commaundcment of God, by an idle di{(:in6tion of I- dols and Images* They tell vs that the Iccond cominaundemcnc forbiddcth Idols oncly and not Images, when as in truth cuery I- inage to which dcuotion or worl'hip IS performed, is no other but an Idol. The word lii'ca'KQi in Greckc fignifieth originally the fame that /fflr;«^^drHfUH*. nntfanphn WMiers vndii ticularly, the hkcntffe cfmanirw«manythe Itkcneffe cf any b*/tji that is t/pon the ^'' '^•""fip'tJi' earth, theltkenejfe efay.j featheredhtvle^ the likfnc^e of tihj creepirgf.M.^t'ir\*ii!^ ^ things &c.\Ncy^o\A^kt\oyi oiAd.BtJhep whatitis KhztMofet hcrc'"'"^^"'-^'"'"^'' ^condemncth, wlicther Images ct Idols? Ifhec fay Images, then \~'lurlm''d!!!!^um^ dels oncly are not forbidden by this ccmmandemcnr. It iiee fay I- ^^"j-'^'f/'**/''"^' dels, then idols arc not cnely reprclentationsot thole tlungs that '/.fil35'«*''• arenot, becaufe all the thinps here mentioned haue theirreall cxi-'''"''""'^'''*^*' 11 ■ • I Pi 1-, r I tiiiciuamrtnxt' Itencc and being in the world. But we can vleno belter nicancs to «/''•<«/•«, /«i nuiahtMr*t ^ndvrhat :s that th..t is not ? It ita/bape which fh.- eye hath not feene, t,itn!\d,tML\f,trt imt the mindj'.nrierh to ttjtlfe, ^sfor example y if to th: body of a m^n "■ "■■'i'^ ^^J"^*" mefrcme ththadoftcogorofarartt, orto onejhape of a w.rn w/^r ,„,„,„ yi,„, ^ „ ttpofaces to a m*ws Uki Hen<,,Theed9r. tiimzSkUnoOrigen, Ipcakcth tothc very fame effc£k: ^«r hi ads«foxen,f(ich f^ifins of things thdt are noth? calleihsd-^lsyhtut. Gr^dHq^ld/fci'' JimilitHdeshecalleththsundgiofthtngs that ^.re^ as of the Snnnc^the '""T,''"t "I'^'i ^^^°o^'i^^'&^^^'^^''f^^^y'^f^'<^Pi^f<^^^^P*g things y andfuch tikf 4fhin<(a4,rr,tonM, allwhich heeforbiddcth toi»orJhipy either outwardly by gefinre or in^ ^TriZml^^FL ^^^^dlybyrmnd. Thus thefc authors the latter of chera caking occa- /-ie(«fr;«wivif*i?"*fiop by tlic former, apply the name of Idols onelytofuch imagw fihZtTmf^.''' ncd formes and fhapcs which haue nothing anfwcrabic to them neiiioUvtcat,fi itt chc crcaturcs of tlic vvorld, as Sphynx bearing in the face the mM^/Jt#*«^ (hapcof amaidc with wings, and all the reft ofthc bodielikca in**iin,svtiutis» Uonj Tricon OT Dagofl being the forepart of a man and the hin- b»J!Zm,bciHlri derparc of afiihjthc Gcntaures being in the one part men and the o r«^fxc-head to the bodie of a man, tlrXrJr^^^t *' aiid fandry other fuch like. Now what a trouble would it bee to (jww.>«Z;r* M,BtJhop,iUhe honejimdnsviih whom hee queftioncd'^ before ' ■ ' ** fhould come to him, faying. Good lir, you asked mee a queftion, 0 a while fincc, I pray let mcc make bold now to aske you another,, ^^"^ What,were all the idoUs that vcciieare and reade of fuch antickcs 2^ and counterfeits as you tell vs out of thefc authors, formes and eA*7 J^ \ fliipes to which nothingin the world hachcorrcfpondencc? VVcc g^*S.?v'-^. i^Qokcicthatthce W^tf« ealfe which the Ifralitcs^iiadeand wor-^^ '^•if]tr,n.in Erjc. , Oiypped m cijc wildcmeflc had bene an IdoJJ , wliich yet was * th*^ 'i*. tt'-^U-l^Hil'r,, f^^'f.'fde of a calfe or balUcke that eateth hay. So did wee thinkc d^ faUm ir vtrtit .J til eir 8 Im t^es ofrntn , w hich the Prophet E^rchiel Csnihjhey.made, *!» cha'm,<,i!r(- *"^ commttted whordontswfth thim ( wluch 5. Hterom cxpoun- vaioff*,rini'ni. deth tohaaebenc*^ the idols of "Bel or^Btal^ Camofh ^Jiaroth ami j ' ^ *" ' * ^* Milch }my^n<\ the ordinary glpflc ' ofPriaptts) , And thus we fccthe ij author of the bookc of VVilcdome^ringing in ^ a father mxk»ig fhe tmageofthisfoity and the people connterfettingthe vjfdg'tMdmAkfftg thf. Oflmdges. 11^9 thegorgf0Htim4ge of a kmgy which he C Jlcth cxprdly ' idols, and i ytr ^.i j. notcdi therein the beginning of tiicm . Thus doth 'Dttutd in tJic Plahncdcfcribcthcmby the parts and members ©t mans bodie, ^Theyh.v4: moi^ihi'Svin.iJpetikenotf ij/e ih.me they And fee not -^ they mPialm.j. hM'4e eares u>:dh'are >'ottMfes h^/ec ihcy ^wdjmcllnstyth 'j hnn t h.nds 4 4dbar,dlc- not feet e h-iHc they ^.»d tvAlkjiiit-^netther m^kfthty anyfotwd wtth their throte. Ifchcic be rightly called Idols, as wee luppolc they are, vvcc dclire(good lir)to knosv how it ftandcthgood whicJi your authorities rcport,that the name ot Idols bclongcth oncly tofuch tantallicall iTiapes as before arc Ipokcnof.Thc homftma^ here put- tcth^i.i?//2>:>^toablanke, hauing nothing to lay but by tnc re- nouncing otliis owne authors. For if heciay that thofe bcc lo idols, % cucry man (ccth thathec fpeakcth vntruth: it hee lay they bee, then iic contraneth his owne allegation of himlcUc. Now what impu- dcncieis this both in his maillcr and him, thus colourably to cue %\\c names ot Origen^nd Theodoret^ when they thcmrdues wcli know, that that which they lay is contrary to the Scriptures, con- trary to the reft of the Fathers,, contrary to the perpctuall confcnc and currant language of the whole Chridian Church ? But yet Cgcntle Reader) I would haue thee to quellion with him fbme what further, What AI.BtJhopt are oncly Idols forbidden by the Iccond comiiiaundcment whereof wc (peake ? Yea, faith he. Yea but your author* ^^i/?>o/>tcllv$,asappcarcth by their words before, tjiat not oncly Idols which are Ihapcs ot things arc not, but alfo ail images and rep rcfen tat ions ot things that are, as of men or any o~ thercrcatures,arc thereby forbidden" thut neither by mtnd crajfe- ^^orj^n.-nfufrt, Eiien wf worjhip th:n^,nor hyoMtrvardQterv Andgefiure how v^.toth^m; j!!m[^,l'/Z*lf^ hovvcanitbe then wliich you fay,that oncly Idols are forbidden. "'<-]/>/'>«.»»/-? Here yl/^//7^ji;>:s plunged againe, andknoweth not what to lay, ""i^'-""""" bccaufe his images alio which he thought to haue puUcd our,, arc by hisowneauthoisbrought within the compallc ct the Iccoud comandcmcntjlb that howfocuer they Iccme to vary trom the rcit inacunousdeuiccotthc hgruhcationofaw:ord,ycc tor the ten- deUMiingofPopilh idolatry they fay the fame that all the rcll lay, Tiictraullation which hisauthors herein foU^w:, is the cranllaiioii ©fthcSeptuagint, ThefiJhMtnotmaketo thy/tlfc an Idoliy rorthe liktnes cfnnj thingyC^c.Vihcic that which ihcy call/WjAis in the He- brew Vefclt. wlucb in many otlicr places dxy tranllate 7Xc/;ttc» aji4t 1140 of IntAges* and is the fame as in lAtinfcHlptiie, which importcih a thing carued or graucn to the hkcnes ot any thing, or as wc call itAgrautn intagey lo as that ^4rias Mont anus a Papift tranllatcth ix.°Nonfac$as titbt do- Utnram omnis ejjigiei 1 hoH^A/t net make to thjfelfe any earned wcrl^ ofanylikenejff. By rcafon that Idols were for the moil pane earned o Di»t ? s ^r ^^ grauen workc therefore the holy Ghoft may fccme to take that M>Ht!tra»ji' word as moll common and general!, vnder that accordmg toe u- Meriht^ru. ftome of fpeech, to comprehend all the reft, oncly adding by way of cxpofition, or the likfneffe ofanj thtng,&c.\t^ the words in Dcu- teronomie being let downe without, any particle coniundliue or difiuncliue , Thoufltalt wt make tc thyfelfe a caruedorgratien work* # thelikenejfeofanythtnginheaHen about &c. doe plainely argue that . chofc words are added as an expofition, as if he had faide Tkon ^alt not make to thy felJeVefell, that iSy the hkene^e cf any thing, &c. The Septuagint therefore rcfpe^ting that Vefel by vfc w as grown to fig-. pDeut.'Tij.*. iiific generally P^)??tf/zw4jjrfofthe heathen god^ofwhatfoeuer kind, ii.whereby'pt- would in theGreekc according to the intendment of the comman, image?offhe?r'° dement fct downe a word of the like large extent and fignification, 5od5,aii>3ner and thereto made choifc oi ^Suihosuntdoll, asfcruingtoexpreflc god! " e to*bT all formes and fhapes which men fct vp to do worflijp vnto them, ' vnderiiood. And thatthc moft auncicnt Church conceiucd there no otlierwifc of the name oildoU appcareth by lufiinus Martyr , wiio difp^^ting r « ,, with rry/»W the lew, readeth iw^e^ inftccd oildoll , fayiiigthat dial enm T>yph, *1 God cotnmaundcd by Mefes to make ne tther image norfim'tlitude et" f '"' " ''^'*! ^'" ther ofthims in heauenaboue or in the earth beneath . Hereby there- ( fxht «xovtt tore It appcareth that that which Ongcn and Theodoretny is built }TeoftoitftJo(, wholly vpon a falfe ground, and cannot by any other authoritiebe TTomaui) "^adc good. Yet M* 'Bijhoptdkxh vs tliat that which they % is ta- «^»4 ewTiwi/mi ken out of the Apoftle where he faith, *■ thatanidollis ncthmgin the ZL7»'il^^'efr T^orld* which Origen indeedc citeth to make good that meaning rum quxtiicaii, which bcforc hath bene cxpreiled, although Icrumg nothing at all fi?Cor.». ^ ^o t^at efFc6i But fee here the trechery of this our falle and faitl;- leflc Sophifter , who making Origen his au chor bringcth the words in one meaning when Origen appHcth them vnto another. For Origin when he alleadgeth that an Ido/l isncthng in the world mtz- ncth ('as wee fee in his words before) that it is a lhapc,to which no- thing anlwcretb amongft the creatures of ilic worldj for thofc Sphynxcs, Tritons, Ccntaures, and fuch hke, arc mecrc fancies, neither of Images. 1141 neither is there any Tuch thing at all: but MJBtfhop faitli,t!iat r.n idol is Hcthwj^y that isjitis no god . U tsnothiyigforntally, (lauh he) thAt ts though they be great pceccs cfivood orflor.e matertaliy ^yet they repre- pent a tht g th.it is ncty that isfuch a thtrg to be a god rvhtch is ncth$'ig U(fr. Buc itisoncching«tf//(j^ifthat is not ^ becaufe they reprenrerited'""^"'"""^''*"' f t I I I II I ■ I /f I • f II lUiitTtr f nines fuch things to bee gods which ayc tiethuigle^e^ which is wholly tc- ilioida vijirnh*^ pugnan: to that which (9r;>^» hath fet downc. Thus either Ongcu^n'-I'lr^MmLhi tndlheodore both mull bee taken with one breath inllantly to *""'«'»" "yMMi:raqu*c<,im,tef alfo thole ot the higher ranke, iftfiter^ lunoy SatHrtJusy VejhyVul' ^rf>n!!"rum'''"''*' cA^us and the rcrt were but men' and women to whoni luchho- b m.ThU de „at. nors had begun to bee y ccldcd after they were dcad,it being by cu- tZit'cLS^on- ftomereceiued when men were renowned either for ftrangea^ts utn^und-^ rtbus qj. g^od dcferts, to honour them as gods when they were dead, by '^id!!TjpVt'Jl'Z ktcing vp their images, and doing lacrifice and dcuotion to them* t'TTLVllnS. ^^''^"P^*^ LMBa^tms Igatti , as noting tjie moft vfuall /bapc and g«fi/t ffihich the fcopU commtngto (hofild belecHe that they came to the gods M!»i'xixo!la' the world^cciM^c idols were moft commonly the (liapes &tv»! ta coutu of men and kt vp as popilh images in remembrance and honour of ^H4*mntno lieu ' tli.o. [itr,t,fedvefir*rH dcad incn , f uppolcd tor their merits and good deicrtes to bee ad- ^rum-Zl^tt'" U'^'"ced to hcauco. And in this refpea S, ^ujiw preferred the Pa- finguntHf gans and heathens before tlic Manichccs, for •= the Pagans 7vorp>ip ichapiu^':;. things that bc^thotigh ihej be }7ot to hcworjhffed ^ btyou ffaithhee) t ^HguH. hid KDorfhip thofe things whtch be r;Ot at all , but i-.re famed by the vamtie cf ddfluuL'mtf j/ow dec ettfullfib les and tales. The meaning then oftheApoftlcs fnnt.Et cap.q.^^d words, »yf» idslUs noihi'-g^^is that which the Scripture clfc where tcl ■vHiiiMemn^'d'"*^^'^^'^ '^^''^ '^ isfif^jiSAblefornothittgy' ic cannei:herdogoedMoretdlii\t\ fuHt ther fane nor deftroy, neither make clcanenorynclcane,*^/<^.'/j-^^<>ff^'^^ll'*^'^p^"i'!:-^ •AhhominatioHS : and againc hee callcth. them P the images ofmemje,tmagtn,if*trs, ■V/hkhvifcvctheido/sofBaa/f Ch/wtofif, 2nd the relt,as liath bene ^^-f^,rtui.^p»i0^. fore ftidrand the author ot die booke of Wiledome faith of the idoh-i 2. /".-^.-.f/ ,i!l.l'yfl','^l l(n »ct what art yOre put mto images f that is y vifihte fhapes or repre-^i"" fentations.So faith alio Mvmttut Fehxy that v the common feoplepray aflTpJ]^'^^!,' 'tc the C0mfecrated images of dead men. It were infinite to *'l«'^^S^**'^^'f^*''''" thatmightbec brou^c out of the 5cripturcs and Fathers to Hicve^rv/fT/u. 1,,,^,^ tiiispromifcuous and indiflerent vfe of the vfords or nnmcs of Idols '^'^^ ' &<■ 1 144 of Images, and images^ and putting off the one inftecde oftlie other , ImMgef for Uoisf' where the circuitiftancc giilcth occanon to vndcrftandc fuch imagesto which religious fcruice and deuocion is perfbrmed* but M*'BtJh»f tcUcth vi that he cah yritigfomeflaces^ where tfwe vfe the one tfthofe tvordesfcr the 9ther, wie pail of end allgtod ChriJiiMt e^resy as ifwejhttildfuy that manw4S made after the idallofGod, §r that Chrtflis the idoUof his Father, Where wee may fee, that it a mucii that he can doe> and yet when he hath all done, it is nothing to the purpofe* What dooth hee herein but confirme that which I haue before faide, that eccleliafticall vfe hath reftrained the fignifi. cation ofidoll to be taken in the euill part only of Inuges fuperftiti- ouily and facrilegioully abufed, and therefore that it cannot nowe be fo generally apply ed as originally it might be f And yet further his wilcdomelhould haue confidered; that we fpcake here of ima- ges as chcy are incident to the fecond commaundcmenc, which are the worke of mens handes^and are fet vp for deuotion and religion and therefore if hee would haue fpoken pertinently, fhould haue brought vs an example out of the Scripture, where there isanie mention of fuch an image that is worfliipped, which is not alfb to be caUed an idoll. If he could (hew vs (uch an example, it made (bmewhat for their Images, but thofe which heebringeth areim- pertinent and auaile him nothing* As for Chrift, hee is the fubftau- tiall image of iiis Father,and to be alike worfhipped with him, and *^«(f *(! .KhIu of him S**AHfiine fomewhcre faith, tiiat^ no image of god ts to be wor »mdg»De$c,i,de Jhtppedwhtch ts ftot the fame that God is ; and thereby condemncth »«"yf 'qH*d'!^}i. Poperie of idolatrie. And if any other image of God were to bee '^F'fi I i 9- worihipped, it lliould be man , who was created after the image of God,rachertbenarennci{ebIockethat hathonely fomeoutwarde fhape and proportion of a man. But to prcilc as yet further with a matter of no waight, he tellcth vs that thefetienth gtnernllCounceU nine hundrcdjeArespajiy doth accttrfe all them who call the Images of Chriji andhis S^tifits Idols. He mcancth it of the idoUtrous (econde {>'/iP^^^ /cTl^^ Niccne counccUwhich was' almoft eight hundred yercs after Chrift I or. ^ 3"^ about eight hundred yearcs paft, wiiere lice to make it feeme the more auncient addethaimoHan hundred yeares*Ofthis Coun- cell we fhall fee more in the end, but here it is to bee noted m what meaning they pronounce that curfe, and iiowe according to that meaning, as men caricd witli a ^iric of giddinclTc and frcniie they vttcriy / of Images, n^^ vttcrly circunment and oucrthrow thcmfclucs.lfthcy haddc meant images fimply, we wold accord with them that the images of ckiift and hi» Saints arc not to be called Idols, for fuch images wee hauc and thereby flicw that we condcmnc them not. Yea where they arc put m tlie Churclics, .wee (ay as CharUs die great and his Councell faidforanfwerto that Niccnc Councell, ''AfV ctUlMtimngetfHttein 5, z.i,.r -»•./.>«» Chhrches by the name tf ld»(s ^ bftt that they nuijnot bee calkd idols y c^mrtSynUtr*" weforbrare to Adore & w^rfhtp them.But the meaning of that Coun- s'/„Z^,'Z^";, cell is otiicrwilc , that the images of Chriftc and his Saints beeing '" *>'•*•• rf'"" worlhippcd,yet arc not to be called idols>and in this fence doc they '//dn,Tdi'iM^,!^Z accufe them that confound them both in one. Concerning which /'""«^"" *^*^*''* it is to becobfcrued that the fame councell amongeft fundry other «,«.' "''""'*' hcrcfics'^ accurfetb the ido/atrie of Nefiffrius ittor eoncerMHi the man '^ '^.'""•? '^*7' lefus Chrtft, The herclic or Keflcriut Itoodc in the deuiding of the iren.^ud4mm manhood of Chrift from the Godhead, whereby he made two di- ';;^;^l7j^^^;:,'l, ilin^ perfons di(lin6tly and feuerally to be acknowledged and wor- N,p.>r^ idAdir*- ihipped.Hc made the Godhead onely an afliftant to the manhood e, '^"' *'"*"'" and more eminently and clTc^ually fhcwing it lelfe m him then in vs, but otherwife no more vnired Co the manhood then it is to vs. Therefore he denieth that the virgin >^4r; might be called 0eot9xo$ the mother of God, ox that it might be faide that God fuffered for our iinnes, albeit the ifcripturc fo plainely faith,** That holy thing which i Luke i.jy. fiudlbee borne of thee fit aU bee called the Sonne of God : and againc, • feedthe ihtirch of Godyphtchhe hath ^HYchafedynthhtt ovpne bloud. »a, q • Now becaulc he made a diftinft perfon of the nunhoode of Chrift , and yet acknowledged to worfhip the man Chriftc, hec was hereby charged to breakethe firft commandement, Thou fh Alt haue no other gods but me^ H'e [konld by fo <^(?«tjj(faith Cyril) makefrMJirate the iawe fCvU.dt rtH.fid, vhkhgiuethworJhtptooneone/ywheiJtrue/y God, and affirmeth that I't'Jrfrmiir^'. this is to leade men away from the knowledoe of God, and to teach the ir,ium Uaremui Wor/d((i\6fOi)?t oXoirf «*v j the wor/hifping of 4 manne. This is it which ^^fQ^Zl^tluV-' that Nicene Councell calleth the idolatrte of Nefiorins y which n,m ^jf^t.^t d- they couldc not but condcmnc Ivndcr that name, if they would (X'^'Tv?*^! carricany countenance oftrueth, bcccaufcby the Councell otE- '^"^ y«j"'N.»i« phcfus and the Catholickc and godly BiHiops ( as appearcth by „,'^rd[2'i',m^u. Qrill) it hadde bcenc bccforc in that fort notorioully condemned. '" '*• ^♦"'• Hccrc then wee fay, if the manhood of Chriftc beeing taken fcuc. nUy and without pcrfonall vnionofthe Godhead became an idol (fof 1 146 Oflrmges. ( for that the name of idolatric importcth )by bceing worfliipped what fliould Icttc but that the Image of Chnft becing worfhipped is much more iuftly to bee called an Idoll, which hath no manner ofvnion neythcr to Godnormanne* In what rcfpcft the name of idoll is fo apphed, (hall be (hewed afterwardes, but in the meanc time wc defirc to know how it fliould bee idolatrie to worfliip the manhood of Chrlllc, and y€t it fliould be no idolatrie to worfliippc the image of Chrift , and as the image of Chriile, io the images of the Saints alfo. Wc cannot concciuc this poynt,and therefore wc cxpcft M* 'Btfhop, in this bchalfe to be refolued by you. Well then leauing him to demurre vpon it for the (auing of the credite of their Councell, let vs come to the confidcration of his next authontic . Af.'Perl^ns alledgeth TertaiU^f %ing» that euerj forme or refrc" frntationts to he termed an tdoll, "^otfo neither , faith M.Bifjopyfor hee makethldo\\m\ a t^mtnutifte of cidos which Jignifeth a forme orjimt' litude^ fo that Idolon is but Mfmallfimilitfide or fender tmage^ notfo mnchfor the ijuantitiey asforthatitreprefentethhutdarkslj* Itfte*^ T^'f^or^* ' ^^^^^ '^^*^ ^^ ^** ^°"^^ ^^*^ darke when hee looked vpon TertuUian, JfJmfmfcnat, ot that hc lookcTertMlUan for fuch a darke autlior, as that hee was *b„fer^y de~ ^^*^^^' thatg eiio^^fgnifiethaformeorfimtlitHdeyandthatfromthence dm^um aqut 4 - hy dimintition is deriued iUuiKQi whtch proportionally with vs ma^eth fui. n»s firmnUm ^^ ifffpo^teth A littlefovme 5 but by tiiat that followctli hee giueth to ik"ibtd.iii(i*r om vndcilland,that as in Latinc VaxHIhs^ 4 natU ifgulnSf apottertman- niifirm^ veifir ^i^ff/fff„ ^ iaw, and manv other likc,(b « J'cdXov in Grceke is a dimi- eiexp*fc,rinde nutiuc onciy lu forme and found, notin the iignihcation and mea- siouutns ,m^u ^^ £jj^ wordc. For he inferreth tlius, ^ Therefore euery forme or f*mttlMu4&f,rtn lefferformerequirethitfelfeto be called an idoll,and thence ts idolatrie, *mhii tKurtfl an* »*'^'^^ ^^ al manner denotion and/eruice about anyfnch idoll* It is plane itfit,^u»dimfc. then that he makeththe name of an idoll to extend to all formes or n'alJfJl'idfhiL rcprefentatios.whether greater or lcfier,cxprclly faying that ' it sktl idiinm h^cndnm leth not whot 4 One it be,ofwhat matter or what ^ape, that no man may lu'fll'lTn'^cSijhi^ke that that only is An idoll which is con k om,.Ui*iit hH Xo whatfoeuer forme then or likcnes we yceld deuotion or (eruicc, Z^i^umlmZT?, wee therein commit idolatriCjanditisthatwhich properly wee caH condxuum.E,rHm gn idoU.But tomakc this yet more plaine,hee addethfurtnera little jTcrf JriL^'i;^* after,'' Humane error worjhippeth all things faue him that made all. The >d,i*utnA. images ofthofe thinges are idols : the confecrAtion of image t is idolatries Idols Oflntd^es. 1 147 Idols then by Tertulisms iu Jgcment arc all manner images fct vp to reprcfcntcichcrnicn crany oclicr creatures, «S:conlecratcdto hauc religious duty pcrtormc d viito tlicm. A iid f b clfc where he faith of dcUvme men bv tiicirimaecs after i\]tix dciXivs^ Bei^qdeadthey arc \tiif».i*Ctrt.mt made JdtiJ by ihstr kAbit iitdjcrutce of cenfecrati^n. It is ccnjecrattcn ,,„fi^,.ti.tyii„& then or d^MCMtto/j^iiuz ot an image makcth an Idoll, and therefore ««/»i»/i/»r,*u»nu Ethni. belonging to all manner ihapcs and rcprelentations,both whith^[;^],{j^',^„J^' are fohde, and conltant, andabidingjindtl-.ofe alio that are aicrie, n^*riu*Tum^d»u and darkfcmejand lightly vainfli and pafTc away For if the word ^^l*^* ***" Idols had imported onely fuchdarkeandvaniihingfhadowes,to whatendfhouldhcadde thole Eptihetont ^the force whereof wai alreadie contained m the fignificr.tion of the word? AndifH#>w*r or ar.y other doc apply the name ot Idols, to fancies , and dreames, and fliadowcs,ic i« nothing ngainll vs, who know and confcflc that the word eiicc'Sai in the onginallfignificationjexteiidethfo largely as to be filly vied tliercof, cucn as ihc word im.igr may alfo ,as ap- pcarcthby S.^njiir.e wl.cofthcwcrds o\ QhxiilT hrfonr.e cun dee ncthir.g ofhtmf> Ife^hnt nh^t hejeeth the f tether d^e t^c. laith, that n ffx\^ui.inna», the J be vndi rjlood CArnally *cc»rdii gt» htur.ant cencftpt , thcfcfi/ffftll ', j, -J,* ."y" .^i!!* tjfMKCUsdoihr7oothrbntfr(=.mffcrtat3ieimu(T(S an/ftyco fftcriyS {a^ h^n-*, , mj,^ „m ther anda fcnr.e yiheoHc ejthem}hervtKg ^ira the otheyjeetrg. .Vr c«.- i.w,by-r.M»nu (hetih*-^ ay.d the other he^irmfi, aU whtchy faith hcc. ^re the tdilioi'^'F-r-f"''-^*'* Jl ^- cs 111 1- 11' ' lut.ifio»*'d'.m thehe^.rt. In a word wnatloeucr nee caniccmc toalicogeout or,^^^,r,,v./«r^, prophanc Authors concerning the fignific.tion of the wcru /- '''■7f"^^','^^l'|,'[ *'» an Image to which worfliipisdonc, is any other then an IdolL Dddd CM^ycr- It4S Of Images. ^.?*ri^;*/ farther allcdgcth, that the golden calfcofthclfraclite* lV^s^^\^o\\,Whil$isthitt to thepttrpoffdith ALBiJhopfY tty much againftthattoyof;his,thacan idol/ is that that reprefenteth athin^ that is »ot',for a calfc is a thing that isjand therefore the golden caltc cannot be faid to reprcfent a thing that is not. Yea, but iaid hce, ic reprcfentedthattobcaGod which was nothing Icfle. Butthatit ft fophifticall pcrucrtmg of the words of his authors, as hath bene before fhcwed,and bcuigbut his owne foohlli fancy , what is it to vsfHis authorities make oneiy that an IdoU, which reprefenteth in fhapcathingthatfimplyisnot. Albeit neither will that ihift of his vid him from this obiedliojfor it is manifeft that the Ifraelitcs made 1 the golden Galfe to be vnto them a vilible fignc and rcprcrentati««|^ on of the true God, by which they would hauc fome token of hit] prcfenccamongftthcm, andhiscondu6iingand guiding of them- By their firft propounding the mattcr,it appcarcth tliat they woula hauc the Idol in place ofMf/eSyhy whom becauic hec was as it werel a Mediatour betwixt God and them , they conceiued God to beel »fao^m<^ the want of tJilofes the only Ver.i ^""'^ ^^y ^^^y required Gods. When the Idoll is made,thcy fayJ T Thefe Be thy gods Ol/raely which brought thee out »f the land of E* gfptt They hadfaid before this Mofes which brought vs out tftht land ofEgipt^ and they knew well that die Calfc being newly made was not It that brought them out of the land of Egypt. Thereforcas they acknowledged yJ/*?/?/ oncIy as the minifter of that God, by whom they were brought out of the land of Egypt, fo they require the Calfc only as a fignc and reprefcntation of that God by whom tliey were brought out of die land of Egypt , and only in that fence they (ay, Thefe be thy Gods 6 Ilraely ^r. Therefore they proclaimc *^'^' accordingly Tomorrowjha/l be the haly day, not to the Calfc or to i| ubHitnf.in Extd any other go d but to lehouah the Lord, which was the proper name }i'»fJ«.vifS^. ofthc only true God. Anddiusq Abulenfts the great Schooleman (|/f«#jf ^mt» hi, vpon that place confcfTcdi, that by the Calfc they intended to wor- '^t^^ttt fhipGod,asdothalfo' FerMsthck own Preacher at Mcntz,yca & mt- vinm. thc RomaDc or Trent catcchifmc before fpokcn of,vhich affirming ti^rm. tn^ . ^^^^ ^^ Tcfcmblc thc Godhcad by an image, is thc breach ofthc c6- aundetnentjto fbew that the Ifraelitcs coiuittedthis breach infcr- rctii / reth thus, ^fVherefore the JfrMelttes crywg beftre the image rfd C4lfe>'"*''f^""f'''"f* Thefe Are thj^cds^O Ifrael^&c.rvere called idolaters becAnfe they chan-lfljz'lZ'SZ ' £ed their glory ( which was their God ) to the fmt/itftde cfa Calfe that^*'^"^"^"^ '^*\ eateth /S>4;.Which words arc ahogctlicr inconfequcnt, vnlcfl'cit bccTJlJ'J'!! u/wt/-iri taken chat the Ifrachtcs in chcir Calfc intended tiic worfliip of their^^Jw'"!)'!!!- God. And tl]is appcarech further in the Calues that were fet vppe zx.[u*m^nfimtutuii' Bethel ^ DaOjto tjic worfliip wherof when Urohoam would inducc^,7,*;^*'j|^'""' the pcoplc,hc propounded vnto them as hfephus rcportetli it, ' that ^I'jtfh. ^mi^.tt^ CodisahfentfromnoffMseiHcrisincliidedor compafedanywhere^ bfL ^she kucTveth all things, fo heareth e fiery yphere^ and euerj Tvhere refve- ^ " "«''• "^* '*• Ucth them that yporjhtp htm ; therefore that he liked /jet that for exerctfe 'X'l^^tutlltdit §f religion they fjould gee vf to Hierfifalem, ifftt he hadconfecrated two *" *■*'* '«''♦'■" golden calues at Danand'Betheljthat at either of thofe places according, !l,\'piiZ'm]h!*M to their dwelling, thi^y might mere neere at hmdin due manner worfliip w««r#/./;w* fr»fi Cod,hy winch words it is plainc, that in the worfliip of the Galues &c.£pdl"J!'Jhl^ he made flicvv of no other, but thereby to worfliip God,and there- ^^ ""'"" ***/'"■* fore /f^« deft loying the worfhip of ^x** f"''fi»rmmht Co witlclle as to vnderftand the Ib.x lyho laith Ceirus,'z/j^;A'j(7> he be d- ■-. s^Zm'hfi. /.*. ioffther out of his wits tahtb them for Gods^ and not for iwaqes dedica- 7*fiytJ»ri*fttf I I I r I ti f I » / • I f I r I '"inl-titntdtfi* tedtothegeds ? * It ts not probable or lii^ly,\aAihheythat the workfs of ttrtntA]],r,nifimm hafe artificers & who are oftetimes lewd mefhctild bt reckoned amongfi ^^'hJ'l^f'f^"'* 7 fall aw Ay fro their religion for as for t hofe im.igc they wereno other but c:rruptible matter j& therefore might he brought ^!*,il,T^Z6.Di*im, c ^ rvirlhip not theje tht»p : ihtfe are but onch fiqneu So Aihana^ thr*vcncr.^mur. y?;^/ !ij|ntionetn that thcy pkadcdror their images, that<^ thiyjer^ l^Hrctiim^^y ^'^f"'' ^^^^'^^'^i rfhkhwhilcft mindtdreadct thsj might thereky learne is:fij:n*f»>'t. the kroyvledge 'fGod. Seeing thcnthac chc heatlicn Images were iil^u-iuuitfml' Idols, and ycc were noc lioldcn to be vchc gods,it is hereby mani- d$fim»uthrapr« fell, that an unage in?y be an idoll, thougli k bee not taken to be a VnZ'snti^'Xri^ft^^^''^- ItCM-iifter Btpj;p Will fay that the multitude notwifhrtan- iiKtt$tmUgt7,T, Jing tooke the Images thcmlelues to be gods, wc anfwcr hinj that iiftTul'tsfint*"' fo til- vulgar people doe »mongft them alfo,as before I fliewed out oiVcljd'jre Vtrgtl, but the heathen were of Jiis minde, to haue ihcir rvligion citcemed according to the vndcritanding of fuch wife mcnnc as he is» But m the concluiion he will mend the matter iiymo^thut an IdoUr equi-^cs brftdethcl mage that tt bee m^deA Gody *r the im igs ofaf.tlfe God* So then tiioagh it bee noc taken fc r a God> yc-c K murt be the image of a falfe God. Wliere to omit what hath bene already faid fordifproofc hereof, by the example of the golden Calues, and to fay nothing oiAUc^hs mothers kloll, who *yttt. to call vpo the mpte of the Lordy ?.m ft ofth; Hebnrv vr iters d. dfo tak* H « tf 2r«r.^" «>,/^rf^ then idols werefirjl m^de in the name of the Lord, & to refemblt mrkitrMntHT qnU him. By whicli teftiiTionic it is plaine that the name o^ Idols bcclon- w^wKwI.*?^* B^'h not oncly to the images of falfe gods, but to thofc images alfo fimUtudini eimf^thztAtcCetvp tnthenamrofthe Lord, a^dtore/emb/e htm. In which ks^'Sf'!^*. ^'^^^ Germmusthc patriarch of C6llaminople faith of the Ifraelicc5^. ^^ j^.in€»>fi.Gir that they thoftght him not to bee a Gcdmithir true nor falfcy ofwhome 7r'^"j-iZ'^, ^Ar;yiw not an idoll framed be fore them, plainly calling tiiat an Idoll tttumntq^e ^eri alfo wlucH isframcd and fct vppc in the name of the true God, And w52'££>il.^^^"^"5""y''^^^^"^^*PP^**^^ vntovs, wccmayobferuc that the mmvUttia, Idols of the Gentiles were not condemned by the fatlicrs onely, for that they were the images of falfc gods,but vpo fuppofall that thofc were truly gods who they worOiippedyyet they diiputc againlt ima- ges, as thmges too bafc, aUd vile, and rnHt to bee vied for fcruicc of ^mto whothey would ycdd chc acknowledgtncnt of being gods«^ Oflmiges. I If I . i if it be certAiMC that thcfe he Gods rfhojcH thinkjo to be faith A rnobi- ''^'^ '^' "^'^ ''* MSji^^ndthatthcj dwell m thehijjoeji regions of heaHeti iff hat CAuJe^tah^U m<"[»l^^,nfHmm reajvn is there thutycH/ho^ildmake thefe images (ot as they wil liauc it ''^' ';^''^*J^ ^^'^ theft idcls)feeihgje haue ctherwifc to who to pray jC^ of who in extren}$ r»ii'»tftxt Hmuid^ tie tore^HeJi help} fVhdt can there be more tnturtoMS, reproachfully m- T'tlu'fuZT tolUratleythcnto know one to be Cody and to mal^' his fuppUcation to a- "" '"" "'^''" ?•"- nother:tolocke for helpe of the Mttine power y andtomake his praier to a ,fS!^d"'t& amxi^ fcnfeltffe tmave ? So La6iantius faith, k To what end are imafes which ^'>ircbu4f,fiuUrir iire the tokens either oj them that are dcAd^or rj them that are abfent^ tji,nii^„/;u4,c,r,. Now ffthe Gods cannot be ahftnt , who becatfe they are Cods (cr ofdt- ""«5"'M''»r»« \ I r r I I] I 'l 1 1 r"^ tjuam DiumaUt- utiK natMre)m whatfoeuer part of the world they bCidj he are ana fee al r^m fan &'r,t mU thingsythen are their images vairie^they bciggenery where bccanfe it is *}il;"r!ilnnmi] fuffit ier.t tn their heartr.g to pray vnto them by their names. And to tiiis & '•-H't^ fffu^ *i purpofcdothcy obic6t vnto them out ot their ownc bookc the '^l'^aJu"ft'tTt. • fcntcnccs of their ownc writers, condemning thewor/hipprngof '''^«-^: S>*"[i>'* g*""^ th.cywhoprsi/ttvpthcim.fgesoftheCodsfor the peoplf duibothtake run^,tnHr>iifrf awajfeare andadded error ^wifely efleemtng 1 iiith S. Auftinc/z^xr the ■'^^mVv't'Hnr ' Cods m that blaikJhffyftlefneffecfimages.mighteafHy bee contemned. jipntun4*trf_» Wuch more might be laid to hke cffctt out of Cl'^mens ^lexandri^ it^Zt'/nfinu. nHsf)ng(:yyCyprian,^thaMajlus,S)< others in their traces againil th.c tiutumfttu/itAm Pagan5,but by tlicfc it is lufficicntly to be vnderftood , that the c6- ,Tiu1d'u7cTt!"' dcnutionottiiciridolsanicth not onely of being the imaocsolfairc i-^-stMlJU^hriritm{tiliJitdtfC(>itemm.mEfiphAf:'ixr ij Cd'pscrAt Hahmtm^^ neiPiii'-K"^'' Pi-it»nu^rif,»ttli4 crc.cHfefiuljMittdmimt^intflifuctiUeiKit eilhc*f*^j^~'^'"'^''' C"^'"""''''.')'"''* ftrf^ctn'iS ire.ftfriflc-.Htm *tei,dln,&< ^i4£uft.dehSTefCtUb4*ftMdtrAiid$i']Ceifnmjipotitr.di.lren.!H.ca.2^.n^4if rmfiibid.lirHf»h»mint.'niMutitmmtd» pittMJ]tferhtbetMr. Dddd 3 apphed ^t^".uli»en*' applied tothofc creatures which arc vnlawfiill/ worfliippcd,albcit ;>'"^'**''X""'''» thcv be either not fuppofcd, or exprdly denied to be Gods. In I ifUi. which fort the Councell or Laodicca » forhtddtng to prAjf to ^Angels l^*'^fJ,ll'Ji as r/?;^rr/ briefly cxpreflcth the cifca of that Canon , addcth.- iniitnmfuerttc' q fyhofoeuerJhaUbef0mdgmmghimfelfefccr€tlytothisidoUtrj\ aC" m*ft ^H»n,^m at hath niadc itcceffe to idoIr^By which words it is plain,that by praying nJmVc'ftrumTtpi to A ngcls^.cH iTiakc Idols of thc^though they do not think the to chriHi fiiturnDti j^g Gods^becaufcpraicr is a dcuotionthat bclon&ctli oncly to God* q Tht»d>rtt-m The like M ^ifhop mult conrcllc according to the opinion ot Art^ Exw.^.?7.§«' ^,- eucnofGhrilt himfelfc. For ifthcfirllcomniandcment forbid TrimiiUuvnAm i , « • in -it i • i • t fMb^tnu*m(on . oncly IdoiS, as M.BtJhojf will hauc it , and ^rms in impugning the ^luu^cm%rZnt diuiniticofChrift, and yet acknowledging to worlhip him, did wWd'entmaUudfri brcskc tlic firft comandemcntjthcn it cannot be denied but thatby *«;;u!;Sr-' the doarinc of ^r/W/Chrift muft become an IdolThat^y/^^ »*r«ij«i>a iHtrtducunt. hc dcuicd to Bc God, and therefore that the name of an Idoll may \^Jf'T-cTfifi1'i belong to that which yet is not taken to be a God» Therefore doth *dni*mirAnt_g<:nti Athanafius fay of thcmjthat by their opimen ' they were to bee recko-* Cr7J:eu'oLijf, * ^"^^ ^it^ GenttleSy becan/e together with them infteedeofthe Crea» ireaturs mfcru-at for^hcy worjhtfpedthe Creature^ which as it u'^as idolatry in the Gen- »w?/fr./5»4.i7^. tilcSjfo it muft be in them alfo. The like wc hauc heard before of \u idnqusm idtU [hc Ncftorian herc{ic,condcmncd of idolatry for worfliipping the 1 3 ««'£)?. manhood of Ghrift,without acknowledging the perfonall vniting lj,u.c^.n.in thcreoftotheGodhcad^Tobelhort^, ^nfiine i^x^ditheworki tf fhAntujmMibiufi. < n n l lII«n.l/>' kuUrgmfMritdt theflejh reckoned vp by the Apoixlc, fornicattmy vncleaneffe, drct, uzlZrcTr'" ' "^^^fi ^^^ ^^ ^^ ^^'^^ *** ourfelues as Idols-., & again tcUcth the Aft« HsrtUfTumfer' nichees^ thit in theirf abulaus fancies they wor^ip idolsyind Hierome ^iSatfi'w.- generally faith of hcietikcs, that" whatfictfer they denife or f eigne Mtrit vtrttt tn l-. thej Oflmges. 11 5"^ thej tume it td an My not for tluc men hauc any opinion of God- head in their lufts and fancies, but bcccaufc they yccld them that af- feaion and feruicc which they owe to God. By all this then it ap- pearcth, thatbccaufc the name of /^*/^ is metaphorically applyed to dungs for being worfhippcd, or deuoutly and affeftionatcly em- braced and followcd,which yet are not hplden to bee Gods, there- fore the proper vfe tliereof beiongetli to Images, in refped of wor- (hip done vnto them, though the fame Images be neither taken for Gods, nor bee the Images of falfe Gods, whence it folIo^yeth tha Popifti Images becaufc they are wor(liippcd,muft ncccflarily come vndcr tlic name of Idols, 6. W, B I s H o Pt l^ow to thofcfew authorities which M. Perkins citeth in hisfmour \ rothemoithcCounctlltfYXhzm Mtd Epiphanius, whtchfiemett rpeak^ai^irtjifrttvii^vi) of Images in Chnrches : IwilUnfyPtrwthctr place, n that oHt ./Lactantius hb. l.inftit, ca. ip.Where Images arc for Religion fake, there is no Rcbgion, theftrce licth t»falfe trMt- fUti^noftmAgesfortdoles. T^Mt'.r^here idols are for religion^theretsno Religion : Butr^hAt, ftippofeheefpakeagatnfivftrfiifpngoftmMgesiH ecnerall^t were not prof er to thispfcrpofey where wefpeake onely oftM- kmgtmages^rdnotof all forts of mages neither ^ bntofammage$nelj to reprefentforne prtperties tr anions of God, That out of Oiigcn* isjetfarrewtder:Wcmcrnot2nytowoV' .cont.Cl.Wt fliip lefm at Alcars,Images,or Tcmplcs,becaufc it is written ; Thou 7. {halt hauc none other Gods » Here ts nothing concerning the making cfGfds image I onelj Chrtfiutns ^reforbuUcn to goev»to the heathen rempleSyandth:reatthctr^ltarsor idols to wor (hip Ic(us, whohatk no ajfinttie^nor can endure AnjfeUowjhip with idcUters, R. AUB O T« The wordes o^L^nantius are, > It is vndoubtedthat where images a ^'^^'"::f^*/^- ure.therets^orl'irion, M.'Bifhop chargcth vs With UKc tranllation J^„;^/,,.. of.^^..for,^,/XApooreai)fr,butitmuftferucwlKrcthercisno,^^^^^^^ bcttcr-yet how vainc it is,appcarcth by the realon which Lachmnus J, Mcth:^forifrelfg.oncoH0of,hingsdii4i.e,andtherebcncthi.^^^^^ uinehHtinhcaHenlytht'-.gs, then tmagesare votde of religion, bfciuje „,,rt..(.K,n.*«:,j. 1 1 5*4 of Images. there can he nothing heAHenlj in that that is made efeA'th, No we w fuppefe chat M, ^ijbopan put no diiFcrencc betwixt Idols and I- mages, inrefpc6tofbeing made of earthj andchcrtbrc mull needs contelTe chat L^iSlantius meant to make no difference betwixt Ima- ges and Idols. But that the folly of this exception may the better appcare, to fay nothing that the Fathers vfually call heathen Idoles by tlie name ot Images, as by fbme examples I haue ilicwed m the former fc6lion,Ict vs obfcruc the rcafons which Zi^5//«»/*//f himlelfe vfetii againil them in the chapter next before, and we iliali plainely fee char Sim-iUchra and Imagines^ iioh faidi (J^4,Bt/hop, And images Docf4'''''So,'cs ^^^ ?^^ b°''' ^^^ ^'^^ ^-^^^^^ thmg. c / haae JhcTP.'d faith hc^that the re^ DetrHmtripUorn HgtiKS ofth: Gods afevarncfor three redfon^t F^rji^ beca'.^fe the imd- Vnla^<.ti fimr.u i^^ ^hic!j Arc worjhipped are the/hapes of dc. id men, audit is di [orderly «r* tp'.Ac^HxcoiHn andvnfittirig, that th; image of a m.infho-4ldbe rv rihippedofntan who *Z£mlrtl,ri: isthsimtgsofGod. Images, wecfay,b .tif.^ ^//Zrij^willfayittnufl: ,^Auttmp(rHtrfii be idolcs, thcn let him tranlUtc the rest i'Xo m like lort, becaufc the fimitUchruwh,- word is the fame, It is v 'fitting that the idJl f^i .K/hof/Zdi^ee tvoT' D!tJuZf "''''' l^^PP^^h^^-i^ ^^of^f^ VV;»ich if lice vvili not then let him acquit vs of faU'c cranlh:ion,and confeiV: that La^.ur.'fts fpcakech liccre of imag?$,asindeedchcdooch, Andiihi will not acknowledge it by the firll reafon,yct wc hope he wdl by the Tecond, where hcc fcttcth d^iteratjuidpf4 downc the vcfy n.ime ohm laes- ^ Another reafbn is. lakh hcc. for iiMna>tis/imiho'>ii ff^if ( tpj^ im^gtn- s jacK^) the h»ly I'Tta'es woich vxi/je men feme are nttrr-,,,u,t»r»,i altogether without fenfe b:raH(e they are earth, and who vndrrliand:th fenjH C4reyrt c] 4t.i "^f . , ■ill i t ii tiynfitnt.gimaH »9t th.tt tt t^ awtcl^d thi g that a reattirenMdsvprighty fhouldbowe *n7fZWr'iS '^^^"^ '^^'^f' '^ ^'^(^^P '-'^'^ ^ Where calling thole imagines which *nim*i curuirtvt hc Jiad callcd bcfofc Stmiltchr.t, he fhswctli chat $tm Mchra arc as Md*rit UTTAm ? ^gg tranllatc them images^ and that in this po)'nt Idols as M Btfhif calleth thcm^and images. vet all one, the rcafons which he alledgech Handing alike againft Popifh Images^as they do againit heathen I- dols. The other part of his exception is but another part of a fhift, M. Ptfr.propounding to prouc not only that it is vnlawfull for vs to make any image any way to rcprefcnt the true God, but alio that we may make no image of any thing in way of religion to worfhip God.mucii lelfe the creature thereby. M, 'Bifhops fuppofall then that LaUanti'4s there fp^J^againfi worjhipping efimagesmgeneral^miketb the place dire6lly to fcruc tothatpurpoie, for which it was allead- gcd. The wordcs of c?r/^^« are applied alfo to the fame cndc, who where of Images. n^y where Celffa obieftetli,chat* (^hrifiums fiot endurtHg t» lookjit tepiesj , ori# c»nt c ir dltiirSjUfid Imdges y2rc therein like to the Scythi^tns^h'h.res^i'erjitws, >'>>-r»"'fnMni finJffi h/ikj ^-'' ^-i>-ouf nations, anlvvereth,that the barbarous iiatios 'i7u''j^'^r^„t* do It ociicr.vilc and for other relpeils, but^ Chrtfltansforhcr.re th.fc '''"'" ?*"/''"*■ thw^>- , laich he, bec.vtfe ofth.n which the L^tw faith, Thou IJj il' h/tue i chrrh^tumf,. no other God: hut m ', ar.dthoH fhah net tnak^ to thjfdfe an trnjoe^c^c, '"'''" '* ^^proprtr andthohJ^Jdlt wjr/hip the Lord thy God and him ontlj thou Pmlt fenitj "ut>, o^nm r«!,«* andm.tny sther like fvfeches which do fof-rbtdvsi'lc.irsttndl'm.fges as ^\r"^"-^<:-cr'it* tf3Attheyrepttt4ti . tars and id'}/,, a' though in the meane time they might haue Idols ^-l.i.g. c,ifiu *a and Images of their Ovvne, whereas the thing that Celjus obieitcd """■"""*.)*'•'»»* was, iliat iliey could not abide Image* at all, and as aftcrwardcs he '^^'uSclLITo (peaketh agJ^ne, " dfd/hhyt the d.dicating of altars, Ima^ef at/dtem-^.^'^/J'- p/es-.and the very words hcrealledged do plainly cxprefl'e, that they tji vt quTd^'iL'ni vvho.ly abliorrcd Imigesas an impious defihng of religion, and con-l^^'/j^,'*/''^^* demncd bv tlie law ol God. And therefore by and by after hec faith^ r^w»«y7«i/«/4 honour >iot im gcSj becanfc we take heedfo mm h as we can led we fall ■ojHmmcAH^Am'L into any fuch concetpt as to attribute an-jdinine matter vnto them. It is '"'•^'*'»criiHUi» cuident then tha: Origen wholy condemned Images as touciiing all 'UhulnhHH'ml! vies ofreligion^to which M, Bilhop would approue ihcm. """''• "-""•''^w/*. 7.W. Bishop. Hauing confuted the Troteflants arguments a^ainfi the makjr,g -f ImagestorcprefeKtfomefroperttecraEltontfGodyl kow come v-to C-i th Ikef^oof: ofthe.The firj} reafonfet dcwne by M. Vcv]fi\t\^ I rt ferue to the next point '. thefecondis ', Cjod apbe.xred in the forme of a m*y: to Abraham '^t/;^ to DanieljWhoiawtheauncicntoFdaicsfiLtingon a •^'"" '**• throne.* A^tfw as Gcdhath appeared^ fo mjy h: be ponrtrAied cp- dr. ten '■"" "' ]V1. Perkins htsanfwcris, Kotfo,vnle^e u be expreflycoma>:d:d fd d Reply. 7 his fi/Jli,iAmwdi l^.^.^ac vndcr any pretence to reprelentGod. 1^ they had vnder- ijHam Adf»iftt TfiA- itood the commandcmentor God as A/. ^i\,hcp dcthjvndcubtedly "tltfilZffdoZ- ^bey would haue left fome examples of domg that which hec I'ayeth €ihum:pa>r^nt~ may be done,But king ^grippa told CaiguU the Empei or when he l'7m$L}»nt'Z wold haue had his image let vp in the temple of Hierufalem,*: 7.hfs fMium diorH^> I ■ Xemple eucnfrom the beginning neHer admitted any Image made vpith Tem'tr'uifiMcm pn. hoyidsybccaHfe it is the honfe cjGod :for theworkes cfpaty,ters and car- g:u atit fingirc nc ^ gy.^ ^yg f^g imngcs pf fenftbU ^odsjfut our forefathers haue holden it a re'sntjiri. thirg vnUyvfuUto patttt 0r car He him thAt is inmfible. Accordingly the forii.ctntcdf. chrillian Church receiued and pradlifcd, denyinethat«'G6ri'K;/^<7 hb..J. Dtumwcir ._ ; -// / l ]i r porenm & tnuifibi- 1 s •0tthofit padj/ andts inuifibls^ miij bee defcribed by anj figure^ as Ort- ^!nc7mCcnbZL K'^*^ ^^^^^^> **' "^'^ '** rtprefent anyfignifcation cfhiwy as 1 obferued* fro tSufr*fea,\. him before. Thus The cdoret/kith^ thztMoCcs^ i»firucled the lewej muAJnfi'rmns etT f^^^ thcypjotildnot at aKy time attempt tofrAme any image of^od^fec" nt ttnunt vnqmam ffjg they haddefectte no Itkeneffe of him : th^t they Jhonid notfet vp anie t^nitr;cHm'llT Im^ge cf the tnutfible God^ In like fort Clemens .A lexandrinHsiztitth thetypifpecitm mi- \x, downe for the doftrine oiMofes which he faith Numahy him in- ntmividtrtr2t,&e. /» o j s i t> i i • /• vt nuium imAgin'e uructi'a tauglit tiieKomancs,? that wee are not to make any image of ttn^YMnt muijiii Q^a/iii(j to man cr any other thing, bcecaufe no ryian may any otherrvtfe g cUm.^Ux. meddle with God who is the foueraigne good but s.ndy by the minde^ and strcm.i.b,u^Hm» therefore the fame Clement affirmedi as by the wordcs of the Apo- traditafitnt tidm lilc, ^ Wehaueno image in the worldi becaufe in the creatures there is Tui^blmv^a'^r fif'thi'^g ^^<^t ^^» reprefent the image ofGsd, Bcccaulc there is nothing AmnAifmium t/iat can reprefent God, therefore they admitted no imsgc of God ^l^c'^'uT^ a"* As for Af. Bi/hops goodly dillinaion of painting and defcri- ^mdt^R opim,ur^> bing, it is no other then the Pagans thcnirdacs would wellhkeof "^[yl}»uZL for their defence. Hec exceptetli no other wife againit making Ima- viii licet ^tiingtrt. acs of Cjod, But oncly thc fiiit way, as the Imsge fliould be vnder- JHiUme'ffimHU Kood fully and to the quicke to rekmble God, and in that fort thc ahrHmm msr^dt y^j-y jjcathens dcnicd the refembling ofGod,or making any Image Yt'r^!tmMf,t,ji ofiiim,ashathbeen£bc-cforefaid^ YcaZfwchcStoickeinthatre- Drir,ftxh,k,tM niinde andrclpc£l ihcy iometimes worlhipped ;«f^//^r in the hkc- ^JT"^'^^^"^ ncllc of a SwAi\,zy£fcnIapius of a Scrpcnt,Ol^ercf^^lcmorable concerning them, Tobelhort,thcrcwas no- tlunglbabfurdinthcir Idolaters, but they had their Hieroglyphi- call and Phyficall interpretations to faluc the deuiccandpraibic thereof, and therefore tJ^f. Bifhophs^th no reafon to except againft them, beccaufcthcyprcfcflciohauc beenelcdby thefamercalons by wJiich he Icckcth to vphold the idolatric of his ownc part. But that hce may fceme not altogether without authoritie to fay that whicli hce faith, hccallcdgcth vnto vs the fecond NicencCounccU approouing the draw trig of the holy Choji in fcrme cf a Doucy bccanfe he is read in the Gofpelljo to haue appeared. Where it Icemeth to mce tliat hee flioulde haue done much more wifely for himlclle, not to haue allcdgcd that record at all, beecaufevndoubtedlyhis Reader mull needs thinke,that it is a very bad matter that he hath in hau J,, for defence whereof for almoft the fpace of fiue thoitfanJ yearcs from the beginning of the worUi there is no example to be foundJf lie luddc cited nothing, it might haply haue bene fuppofed that he had 11 6o dflmAges, had notwithftanding fomcwhat to dte, but no mannc will imagine that for his proofc hce would hauc come downc ib lowc as that CounccU, if he had had anic better auchoritie to reft vpon. But the milhapis, that that Councellalfofaileth him, infomuchasitfayth nothing pofitiuely for the drawing and pamting of the holy Ghoit in the toime of a Doue, and doth approoue thofc fpecches which generally condemne the refembling of the Godhead in anie forme. A relation is made of one Sr»fr«x, who at Daphne tooke away the Doues framed in gold and filuer and hanged ouer the fonts as in fi- guresofthe holy Ghoft, faying that they ought not to vfe the name of tiie holy ghoft concerning any fuch forme of a Doue. Hereupon Tharafms readie to apprehend cuerie thing that might make for iM«».i ^a < ^^^^^^ Image-idolatrie, anfwcreththus ; ^ Jfthe holy Fathers receiued Siin ntmmeftndt doHfs dedicated in the name of the holj^ofijhonv much more is the hody iliZ^l'fZaip^ ^f}^' iW4f »4r fVordfeene vpon the earth in a body to be receiftedimca.^ trti rtetferunt, niug the imagc of the body of Chrift, if they did hce faith, but he« YJltZT."/ry, fiii't'^ not that they did it lawfully if they did fo. A man may fay, if a &tnterriitne*rfo Popifh Pricft may bcepcrmittcd to keepe a concubine or a harlot, m7£x'£rj"4«n^uch more (hould it bee thought lawfull for him to marrie a wife, Epifc.ThejfDciAH and yet doth not therefore approue, thatitfhould beclawfullfora cTs'e7Hftoru'n»iiri PopilTi Pricft to kccpc a Goneubine or harlot* And that the Coun- -iifi 'f''' ^'^"^ ^^^^ ^^^ "°^ approue it as a thing lawfull, it is manifeft by^Bb nar- fuftrtt^lm\um Tatlons and authorities which they doe approue and allc^^ror the umfa" ■'„'''■ m'" approui^^g o^ their Images. Ihey alledge a Sermon of lohn Biihop tim-^t!pf!!^^7tZli ofTheflalonica containing a difputation beetwixt a Pagan and a f.'/r/^;^T'" Chnftian, where the Pagan obieding in defence of their Images, iit»d»,*Htqit*fi- that Chriltians alfo diu make Images, not onely to thcjr :>aintS5but J,';^^];^';,^*''';;^,alfo to their God : the Chriftiananfwcreth as touching God thus: UFAtrufDiu t ™ The image ofCod^ I mean: of our Sahiour lefus Chnj^y we make ac- fiTr(u!/!ft£^!^u <^^^diHg as he was conuerfant with men vpon the earth, not as by nature -vifitmcft del fatri he ts Cjod '. for what Itkeneffe can there bee cfCjod^ cr whatfgnre of the 'fi^t'!Zn'iZ.t vordeftheFdtherwhtchtswiihMtbody,4ndnct to beexprejfedbyame ttre quifrt niHrM Qjafc ? f§r God(as it ts Written ) IS afpirtt. Becaptfe itfeemedgood to the aTi-ZuIut^ItrF^f^'^f*fi^^'^<>'^**'fi'^**'^ ^^i?w« his ene/y begotten Sonne, that by the tine Dc!pdr4inc4r ho/yGhcJ} he might bie incarnate efthepureVirgine the mother cfGod^ humUntuuml* therefore wce paint hishumanitie in that fort, but not his incorporaU fAtit^epinriv,;;!, Godhead» Afterwards out oiLeontins there is read a difputation be- "^'dJiuuZ^^'" twixt a lew and a CkifliaD, the lew profeiTmgto bcclccue, that Chrift of Images, I i^*! Chriftc is the Sonne of God, but that hee was offended to Tec Cliri- ftians contrary to the commaundcmcnt to fall downc bccforc Ima- ges, and the Chrirtian tlicrcto anfwcring:" The Sc rtpture con:man~ deth^ tkat /# God as he ts Gcdy nojimilittidc or likc)iej[:JhA!l bee made, vtcJuit^tft ' and that na imaqePiAllhe worjhtppedas Qod'.but the images yvhkh thou •^"'''"V "^'J Jeestaremadcto the remembrance cj the tncarrtation ef lejus Chris te fim:i.iudv^nn,n,j, ttphichhathy.-eldedpluatitn tc vs3Ht the Saints images doeitiltke f<,rt 'JjI'^^ZZ'^jf/Z fg»tfie I he battels ar.d viEiories of euerj of them again ^ the T)eHilLand DiHm.hm-irta the yv^rld, Againc, it is allcdged out of the confcfi ions of ccrtainc 'ZTmCZmufm^ Martyrs, dius:" tVe doe not kj formes and f japes refemble God :heing chriii:f*iufTun» _fimfle and inccmprehe/ijib/ey neither hauewee intended by »''t*f rf»rfIp,'!.^„',^'J,''/"*„^ yvfod to honcurihef^ibfiance which is abouea/lfubjiancey and hath htj 'llii*'i>u^n,iatH ^ being before beginning. By al which it is cuident that they wliol)- dil- 'ill'IZ'^um Z* claimed the painting and picturing of the Godheadj fothat their Cs'-'^todcmmUt whole decree throughout the CounccU procccdcth oncly as tou- ,Vm't'I7»!l6*J.^i ching the images of: Chrift, P as he rpasperfcH man, and of the An - ^ri"^,^^^^"' gels and Saints, as appcarcth alfo by their Synodall Epiftle in the « LTJa cZji. end of the Councell, but of images of the Godhead they decree no- -D'^'ncWr.^/i^ thing. Whereby wee fee that M,Bilh»pisim2noi an euill nature f>mpUx exifie?,, &- anddifpofition, who willtliusmake a bad matter worle then it is. ;;;;;;,7^^';:^f;;' A good mind will make thingcs better and not worfe, but whereas -.;jw.;/4«^,;;,^m the Councell was bad cnoughin decreeing worfhip to the Images ''[JjtrlS^*' ofChrift and his Saints, he makethitworfcthenitwas, by fathe--""/"^"»f'/'""*i- ring vpon it the approuing of the Images of the holy Gholt. Wc 1Z'iZ{r!!^d4,'r0 fee then that hee hath no proofc at all for making an image of God, ;"""'• •^ and therefore it was but a pcynt of indilcrction in him to tcUvs in Eff:*dc,ji*n.^ whatmanncr and meaning tliey pifture and refcmble God, it bee- trtn.^tunmjci ingallcadgedthatitisnotlawfullin any manner or meaning fo to ;i,"/"^' *" *** do.Asforhis difcourfcofmotiucsthatcomcby fight, itfauoureth oftliegroflcconcciptofail idolaters, who cannot endure to bcc without babies and puppets and no longer thinke they haue a G(jd, then they haue a God to looke vpon. To heare of God or to read of him in his word, and to behold him in his workcs it is not fuffi- ^ cicnt, but by an image they rauft ncede* haue him (ctte foorth more ncarely to fecdc their eyes. 5'urely if the wifcdomc of God haddc thought it fitte, that wee (hould haue learned him by painting and caruing, hee would not haue failed to haue gincn vs inllruilioa thereof. But fith lice hath not fo uught vs, yea fith he btiitaught the 11 62 ofl^^l^i- the contrary, and condemned them, (as bath becnc before fhew- cd) who haue pretended to bee inftruitcd by lu^ji incancs, what a fiiiiple man doth CMaiftcr Bi/hcp (lie vv himlclfc, to rcalon againft God, and to fay, If Angels and venues may bcc figured and rcprc- fentcd, rvhj/ m^J notfomeyrefcrtie or rSion vf Godbee in it^e m^.nft^f repre(cnscdih limple man indeed,that /lath notleaincd to put a dif- ference beet .v:xt the creature and the Creator, nor vnderltandcth that that winch is y eeldcd to the pleailng ot our curious fancy in the one, yet iriay iullly bee condemned ?s a wicked prclumption to bee attempted in the other. God iiath forbidden to make anie fimili^ tudc to him. He hath not hmited vs any meaning wherein wee may do it. What is it but wilful contempt in vs to fay, tiiat in tliis or that meaning wcc will doc chat which hcc hath ablolutely faid wee ihall not doc ^ S^W.BisHOf, The fir f feint then heeing ehtained, that fkch images cfGodmayiee m^de : lc«metothefecor.ij fee y and there they vterepUcednot onely in the wrv^rd^bnt aifo in the OHtrvard parts of the Temple y vp on the r^^les and very dotreSfthat they might befeene of all the people : vfhich lWfinding,fltttedfr9m thence, and dtd fiie vnto 4- n»ther,i»hichhca$4feitjpake*f Chernifs, hee thought would f erne t§ blind his fimple followers. Mofcs indeede had ah expreffe precept for the fnaking of them as heo hadfor thecttrtdines and CMrtatn-rodSf andeuery particular belonging totheTdbernacle. But Solomon wtthout 4ny Jpeciall commMndement cut of his high and hely wifdeme , vnderjiood that hee might moji Ltw- fully 4ind laudably imft Ate that heMuenlypatterne of Moics: Andastha budding wAsfdrre morefumptuous And flat ely , fo in the number and quantitie ofpi^ittres exceeded^ whichiiAfufficient inJiruilionandwAr" rant for all men after his dates to make audfct images mthe Church, -kAndthis finally M.PcrkmsfeemestogrAuntjwhen hefaieth,thatthefc Cherubs without the veiU^were there 1 0 befeene J) ut not to bee worjhip^ fed:fo that wee haue gotten oneflefpe further, thai ImAges m Ay not on- iybce made , but alfobeefet vp in the churches ; which is fortified by the tefUntonie led together , the ^^ Triejls brought the'^rke of the cot4e>tant of the Lord$nt§htt place, int» ' the oracle ef the houfey themofiholyfUcCj euen vnder the wings of the Cbert4btns : for the Cherubinsjlretched out their wings otter thepUct w^the ^rkeyflfidthe Cherubtns coHeredtheArke* Inafmuchthcnas God had by the law directed in vviiat fort this ihould be done, S«- iomen needed no further fpccial commandemcnt for the doing of it, but had trefpaflcd againft God,if being appointed to build a houft vnto God,he liad not done it according to fuch rules as the law be- fore had limited for the doing of it : fo idle a fanae is it which kM. *BipJop here dclmcreihjthat out of his owne hich wifedome onely he thought it bwful for him to imitate that which Mofes had done bc- f ore,and confequently fo vainc a cauill is it which hee vfcth, that the obiedionbecingmoouedofthe Cherubins made by 5<>/#fwc»5 lM, Terkms anfwercth by the commandcment thereof giuen to CMofes, when as tlicrc was the very fame refpeft of both, iinA Solomon re ncwcd them by the fame tommaundemenr,by which Mofes at firft ^.iKy',xLl*,tr' made tlic.Now tiitfc: .Chcrubins of which the qucftion is Ipecially ^'f''" '^^' nioued,werc crefted in the moft holy place, whether^ as the chriftian I^l'/^^^r^rrr'^ faith to the lew before fpoken ot in the a .Niccn coiiccll, ^it rrasgra [TZ' umi^'^** ted to no mortal man to haue accejfe^ but onely to the high frieji, ar.d tlj^t n.. 9n(e oitly w theyet^re, }ea and there vas alio S a vt'Ue dr^mne before to f ch?oD^''. j 4! Eecc 2 make 1166 of Images. make afepanUien htmxt the holj fUce^ and the mof hotyy fo that no man had the fight of any thing thcrcin.Vcry fallly therefore & vnho neftly doth M. B^ dcalc to cotound thcfe Cherubins witli the reft as touching their place, and generally to fay, 1 here they were fUced not onelj in the inrvfird^bHt alfo m the outward farts tfthe Temfle vpoH the wades and very doreSi that they mtfJH be feene of all the people y ic being euident that tiaefc were Deucr to bee Iceneof the people nor of any^ faue oncly the high Prieft, and confcquently were fuch as can giue no warrant at all to fctting vp of Popilh images. A s for the reft of the Cherubins which the text mentioneth they were of other fort, wrought in the curtaincs, and feeling of tlie wals^and vpon the dores and vclTels oncly for garmlTiing and beautifying the workcs , but Cherubins that were ftanding images there were none but only h % Chro ? 14 ^'^°^^ ^'^°' ^^'^ "^^'^^ ^^' ^^^ '"°^ ^^^y P^'^^ ^^^ ^ wroHght with Che iK'ii $ s :«. * fftbi^^y the wals were carnedwith grAHenfigures ofCheruhins^palme k Ver.?f ! treesy and other grauenfiowers l ^ the deeres alfo with the like} the bafes iCap.«.zy. vvhereupon the caldrons were to ftand vjcrc grafted in the burden »/th Lions yB His i and Cheruhins, Here it is plaine then^ that the Che- rubins were of no other relpeft or vfe, but as the figures of palmc trees, Pomgranats^ Flowers, Lions, Buls, and other fuch like, not inanyfortforexercifeofthe deuotion of the people, butonelyfor the adorning of the houfe. Yea and to thcfe alfo the people hadde no acccffe within the houfe, being prohibited to come any further then to the dore, neare to which ftoode the altar to which they were to tender their facrifice,the Prieft receiuing the fame, to do with it ac- cording to the law, but they themfelucs might not go in. There wa» one part of the Temple which was called ""the hslypUce^ into whicli Sjbl^iV. ■ ^ the Pricftes and Leuites ordinarily went to performe their ordinaric Icruice .* another part was called th: mo^ holy place into which oncly the high Prieft went once a yeare, and thefe two parts are moft pro- perly called " the Temfle y in which Solomon beeftowcd all that cu- ftLuk.L2[. riofitie of worke. But without thefe was the vaft-roome into which the people reforted, where they waited <* m 'Prayer wiiilcft the Pricftes performed the feruice,wherein they were accuftomed to be taught, and our Sauiour Chrift and his Apoftlcs preached vnto them, going alfo in generall vnder the name of the Temple, yet not hauing in any (brt that glorious beauty of workmanfhip that the o- . thcr parts had, cither can M.BiJhop tcU vs of any Cherubins iherin^ ; Seeing j *Ver.ia. OflmAges, \\(^ Scciflgtiicn there were no (landing Chcrubins in SaUmms tcispic but ondy two, which were wholyrcmooued out of fighr, and the reft had no other vfc butondy the fame as the figures of Lions, and Bulles, and Flowers, and Falmc trees, and fuch like and of dead men there were no images at allj not of KAhr^ham , Jfadc U- €ohy or any other, wee fhould thinkc that that temple yccldcdi fo fmall grace to Romifli Idols,as that like VAganihcy muft fall cothe ground and brcakc their necks, vnlcfle there befome better meant and helpe found for the vpholdingof them. Asfor the vfc whereto S4/(7ii9c» intended thofcworkesot his, who is there that maketh qucftionofitJ Whodoubtcthbutthatbycurioiitie oflmageric of caruing and grauing,{ind painting, men maybeautifie cither the^r houfes or their Churches in tlie like fort as hce did ? Yea OH, B^ip well knowcth that wee doe not thrufl Images wholly out of our Churches, becaufc wee haucin fFeJlminJiery in Tduls , and com- monly in the reft ofcur Churches throughout the land many ima- ges of our deceafcd Kings and Qucencs, of our Nobles and States higher and lower, U'liich we prcfcrue, and addemorc to them from day to day. We determine nodiingabfolutely againfi Images, but we determine agamft images in cale ofluperftition and idolatry or in perill thereof. Take away the feare of .lupcrfticion , and againfl images or pidurcswc lay notliing. If therefore fomc of the Fathers notiearingor rupe6ling that heathenilliabhomination would get £lace in the Church, were more fecure in this bchalfe, and doubted not to adorne their Churches or other places withpi6lurc5 d: ima- ^rinui itpuK gesofChnft and his Apof^lcs, of Saints and Martyrs, wee wonder ftuM. fvctdAmt not thereat . but yet how rare a matter this was, may appcarc by the ^f,^r!rl^'.jlTti » pooreftorc of examples ihiX. My£tjbr.p bringcth tliercoK That of '""/"''*"*""'''' Tenulltan was onely P a pi6lure vpon the chalice , of a fliephcard K'-i-r/'-i* !•' caryinghis loll fhccpcvpon his fliouldcr, as in figure of Cluift fee- "^y^"' "^"/^ king mankind, & rccouering him to God, of which kind of pidlure reucu j no man maketh any Cjucfticn, Thcfccond example is of the image ^/'^^J'^^^''^;^ that ftood in the ftrect at Ccfarea Phillippi,whicli in thetimcofi«- /?.-«..««« ««iyf-x /m« the Apoftau was broken in pceccs by the Pagancs , and ihcZtyr't'f'IjC^ Chriftians '^4O0kevpthefragmc^Jts thereof y and/et tt in the ^hunhy runt. Crf^orteKA^Mttze?ie mcntioncth ccrraine" ' images in the Church ',o-'\!^**«/m^'/f ofDiocaelarca, but what they were, or whofe they were it appea-y"'"' dtijc^ftwr rcth cot, but by his wordcs of trimmm^^ not tiic in-ages^but^"""'**^'* £eee3 the n6S 6f images, ^'ulUHL^^mn*^ ^ the Church^iti^^wcththzt they were onely for the ornaincnt n*jitMimiHt» tx»r tiiCFcof. ^^i/fl'oncly iticiitioncth an image or pifture that did reprc-^ Vsijifofat^'d, fent tlie ' burning of tlic hand of 'BArlaam tlic Martyr^ more Uucly mMriMm.^hiho fccfoortli then he could by words declare it , of which kind M 'Bt- 'iZlTrH^Tulrty^fifop iiiay fee many in the ftories of our Martyrs . rhcir Pontificall tuivhui»fitAt~ isbutabaftardwitneflc and of too late yearestotcll vs what Co«- fiS^^l Jii ig^Jiantim did : he muft bring vs better proofe, or elfe wee beleeuc not '^r^vlTdlTrf'- ^^^ which he reporteth by it, though to vs it bee nothing. The laft TJi^&c". "'^ inftanceoutof" Ci5>7y^7?»«»!rf*/4«athofelVandards whereof our q^iieftionis principally intended, and t,ri^.c^m,rA by which idolatric hath fpecially bcene committed , inafmucii «» 9*ru[*erdmtnu cherc are io tewe certaine and pregnant examples thereot to be **Wi(r''*%o- ^^^^' ^^^ whetlicr it were greater or leffe, experience hath (incc K chap.r j\. taught vs to mifdoub t that which they mifdoubted not. Wee hauc ;;;i''|;;^^gf;^' found it to bee true which the author of the bookc ofWfcdomc htnir^htUfMimi (aith, thit J tmagfs MKc 4/H~trf to the feeteof thc vttivi/efiXid that^ tht ftlcJnUb^&VmJ^i^^ ''f^f* ^^^^'fi'^^^hvp the d^ ofthetgH0r4Hty/o that heeis in *M»Unt\bM *tttn-lg}icxvith'thef0r7tfethathathnoltfeyeu€nofa d:ad tmttge^ When they Ltl7w*l!imi'tT' ^^^ honorably fet vfinpUces Mlofty faith S* ^ujih^that thej may he be- n*mmem\,ror»m (jgi^,f^gfffjgyj pf^^ylyjg and ojfert'^g vntoyheftt, euen by th: very ferny i,utnf!nf^t!i ^Vx bUn:e ^f lining msmbers^ndfenfesy Albeit thtj befencelejfe and witheut *nn^m*flmmn vx ^^^'^ '^ '"^ ^° '^^'^ vfcake tttinds^ AS that they fe erne fbe aline And to tak^ vinertac ipirare breath,'^ Ih.'/i^ji/ttHdrofthefoirmf, hithhid^zinc J And Jmjtatifn ef; u'lT"*\r ,.^th! frame' of tht members leadethanddrAweth by an infirmiiie ofaffe- Ducit & infirma clioH thf J¥^af^ heArts ofmgn : andwht wtrlhtppeth or prAjeth behol- , ^J'f*"**^'^*/f dina.animigfy biitheisfoaff.'BidyasthAt hre thinhth'the fame heA- m»rtni:it»tf»rm4 reth fjim^ andhypnth that that which he defreth /ball ihsr.^by bee done i^tr^^Zluu-f**" ^^■^*- Hauing then found this by experience to bee true, we arc *»ft^: &f»^ carefull to fhannc all the dangeroffuch fuperftitton, aud therefore JSn^?«X7'^»- ^'^*^'"* ^^ ^^^ Images fubie6l to fuch abufe, as inthe hands of Po- utUr^m !^mn*,> pifh ilccufants, wc dcfaccand dcllroy them , and othcrwife that £^^x4i2w,>i there may benooccafioaof fuchabufcjwcccfch^wand auoidetHc £:ttiog; OflmAges. Ii6p fttting vp of the like as haiic bene vfiially worfhippcd amorgft the, chuliiig rather to garnifh our Churches w ith f entencci of Scripture or vs ith lucii Iniagcnc as Sokmon did the tc»nplc,wherof there may bcnodaungcrjCiicnwith glorious (landards and images of men fvhich may againc gtuc occaHon of i^umbh'ng and tailing to the weakc mmds of fimple and ignorant (ncn«As for M^BiJboftt reafon vvhy images of holy men lliould be placed in Churches, it ftandcth vpon fo fickle ground as that it mud needes fiall. He alledgeth that the Apolllc(/3V^.p, jmaketh the Church to be ^ refewhUhce cfhed- uen. but that which the i^poftlc there faith is not of our Churchef, nor can be drawne thereiOj but is fpoken of the SdnB^fanncrum^ the mejihtljfUce of the temfletfHterufiilemy into which oncly tiic iigh Priclt entrcd m hgure of lefus Chnft once in the ycaxCyTvheriy (laithhej<: tkf hcljChcJi ftgmfiedythat the wayirttothe hvljefi •jaUy cHeb^j; (that, is into hcauen) ypAs not jet ofenedy jvhu:^ as jet thejvjl taktrna^ ciewaiJiArMrg, Hence then we argue again ft iW,^//fc<7/» out of his owne grounds, that feeing in the nicll holy place of the temple which wasindeed the refemhlance of heauen, there were admitted no images of holy men , therefore in cur Churches though they be granted to carric a rciemblance of hcauen,which he cannot proue, yet It followeth not that! mages (liculd bee admitted tohaucany place* Ycaandthcvlcofour Churches is not for gazing and ifjH nng, but for prayer vnto God, for hearing ofhis word, and recci- mngof the SacramentSjto the deuction whereof the n}ir.d doth the lelTe beftcw it fclfe when it is auertcd and wiihdrawne by the bufi- neflc of the eye. And fith in the outmofte Court alfo of the Temple whithcrthe people rcfortcdjthis hcauenljPjew oiM.BiJhcpswSiS al- together wanting, either we muft condemnc the wifedome ^ dif- cretion of him by whom the temple was built, or elfc wee muft to- ie6i this dcuicc as fantallicall & childifh , to which ^W. 'Si/hop afcri- bcth the reth wg of our mirdsfrcm worldly buftrtejjc , ardiifttttg them vp to gcd. Nay,imagcs fcrue not to lift vp the mind, but to dcprcfl'c itand kccpeitdovvnc,aodthis wasone fpeciallareument whereby ^-y*fs'»>ff^' die Father impugned the J mages of the P.igans,«» for t rat by the f^,^..,:^^^. m/*^ eye they held the mind doating & dreaming vpon an Idoll here en [!"7.!1'^'^ j'*' .earth,when by fpintuall contemplation and dcuotion it fliould bee D,mtr.t.L'e*»t, gifted vp to hcauen:fo ill hap hath i^.^.t hat he can fay nothmg for -"/'Wi-'^*^ Popifh Images which hath not bene before impugned in Pagan I- UJf, OflmAies ^# W. B I s H o F* Not* let vs ctm: to thofe two obie ^inns oflA, P. which fetmfs to ^e- si^tinfi the creBton of ifffntges in church ffs. Thefirjiis out of the coun-^ * tell "'***V- Itood images for thole rcaions to be wholy forbiddcnjic icllct d vs that thejt were forbidden to bee drawne vpon the church wuh yfer then they mufi beefrredto deface them themfelnes^ oreifem-fil aue them to be d'.jgrAced by the enemies, bnt d$dnotfr bid them to befit w tables Vponthe^ltar or in any-other phce. Their oncly care tiicn was to haucthcir images at hbcrty ,that ifoccafionof pcriccution requi- red, they might be packing bagge and baggage, Andlikcv^Mea^ his Gods might bceiliipped away to another Countrey, ifthey couidnotfiiidcfafctyintJieircwnc. llius whereas DociorS4»- i^rrj his conccipt was, that for fearc of pcrlecution, they wercto haueno images, Mailler Btjiop is of another minde,rlut they ought hauc them ibndiDg vpon the Aharor in other places, oncJ^ 1 172 dflmdgei' oncly they might not haucthem painted vpon the wall. But the wife jnan had forgotten the lirft part of tlie Canon, Itfeentceh good tovsythat thereJh^Ube n§fiS:fircs intht church, n©t that there 1 hall be no pictures vpon the Church wals, but that there Jhalihec no pi- fiF«rtf/w//&*cWfib. Whereby it appearcth pi ainely, that cheyfup- pofcd no other being of them in the Church, but onefy by being painted vpon the walsjand if they had intended the hauing of them any otherwife in the Churchjas vpon the ahar or in any other place they would not haue forbidden the hauing of them in the church by a flat contradi6lion to that which they intended. There were yet no ftandards of images in the Churches jonly they had begun to adornc them with hiftorical pictures & paimings.Thc fathers thin- king it a difhonour to him whom wee adore and woriliip,to be pi- ftured vpon a walljto take away thatatulc, forbid the hauing of anypi^uresinthc Church, referring their words to that kinde of images becaufe there was no other kmde tc which they had occa- sion to dire6l them. But Bellarmmes exception ftandeth ftiil good againil this anfwer that the reafon ofthe canon fitteth not to it^ which is notforanyfeare of the pi6lures', falling into the hands of infi* dels, but that that vrhfch ive worjhtp he nctpamedvpon the wa/s4And by the fame reafon hee excepteth alio againit the third anfwer^ which is taken out of .^/4>Mf/ Copus, ihsLt Chriftians worfhipped their images as Gods,6c in that fence the Councell did forbid them for then laith he it fhould not haue bene laid, /cafi that which is ado^ red he painted, but rather /eafl that which is painted be adored, TIic laft anfwer to which hee faith /^^ reAfin of the canon d:>th mo fi fitly ^gree , is that good ftuffc which M.'Btjhop here addcth for fupply, t\\^Zpi^Hres painted vpon fuchpcore wals as they had then to their chut cheSi would either bj the motjlure of the wals or other tncomntoditte (Jot J^noweth not what) haue bene q>^ickly disfignred 5 therefore for the ho- nour offHchfdcredthings^tkofegraue Fathers thought it not meete to haue them drawne vpon the walsythere being many more mute placet for them in the church: So then thofc grauc Fathers arc forced in effieft to fay thus, We will not haue any pi^lurcsin the Church, becaufe there are many meete places for them in the Church, and they will foone be di' figured being painted vpon the walls. fFe» think^gocdtohanenopi^lnres in the churchy that that which is wor- Qtippedwaynot bepaintedvp the walls^hsx, is»Wc wil hauc pi^ures of Images. 117 i In the Church, and that painted which is worffiipped , onely for fc arc of being too foonc disfigured, our Church wallcs being lub- ic6^ to much moirturc , it fhall not bee done vpon the wall j albeit iftbatinconuenicnccmaybcepreucntcd, wee doe not dillikc, but that that which is wor fliipped may be painted vpon the wali. Hy- f)ocritc,what doc ft thou with that foule which Ciinft hath {o dear- ie bought? wilt tJiou fell it wilfully to hes and falfhood ? The Canon directly forbiddeth the hdumgofpi^urcs in the church. Ihc rcalbnisbecaulc they would not haue that which they worfliip- ped to be painted vpon the walls. They knew it might as well bee painted on the wail as anywhere clfc, but they were acquainted with no other hauingofpidtures in the church, but onely by pain- ting on the walles. Therefore to exclude them wholy out ot the church, which is the thing that they propound,they giuereafons of tn vndecencie and f nfitncllc,tliat that which ii woriliipped ihould bcpaintcdonthc wals. ^^'/iiriwi;// therefore feeing well that none of thofe anlwers can fatisHe any reafonable man that readeth the Canon it felfe, thought it beft for a farcwel to dilgracc thecouncell in fuch fort as I haue before fhcwcd j & much better (hould M'Bt^ • (hof haue done tlie fame, and acknowledged that the councel fpea- keth againft them but they regard it not,tlien thus to feekc to Imo-^ ther a truth with amanifcll and wilfuU lye. 10. W. BiSHOFi Thefecotid oi>teEli0nis out »f a pc/'fchpt of E^iphnniui fetter, vnt9. John PsLttiAvkc of lerufA/em y in vphtchtj written, as M.Pctkinsfj//I^, reporteth '.that it ts /tg^tnfi the anthortty ofscrtpture , to fee. thept^HTet 1 of(^hriiiy or of any S^tr.t to hang tn the church, Anfwer, It is there onely ^ tofeethepiElhretfamdn, New that he Jbouid meune ofC hnjl or ofjome Saint, ts only gather ed^et M, Perkin s niAkes no bones to thrnfi them both into the Text : encnfo do: we thinks th.ttfome oldentmie of images added thdtpofl-fcrtpt vnto E piplianius letter. Our reafo^s Are , becaufe tt huth no coherence tvtth the former letter or Title, ^gat/te ,$n the/euenth councel I, when all that could heftnndoHt of Anttejuitte^wus cited againfiimages , no ttdtngs there of this plice, which tftt had bene true , might haue bene one ofthepnf.ci" fall ihirdh^in the fame cowiCfUy' ouher two places brought, as tt were •Ad»^> f^ ^Epignanius wtrkfs ^yvtrefoundto be none cfhis'.^ndfm- imges 7f>u alledged. 1 172 oflt^^fes, ^Uedged^that Epiphanius twne Mfcifles ercSiedAn imdge f tmrnuii' fier^ andfet it in the Church j which they rvoitid nemr haue dtnt, ifhet had taught them to be againfi the Scrifturefo t9 d§e, M' Perkins obfernes ajpeciallre^fott in Epiphanius other c^mter^ feitteHimonte'. Thatimageswujinot befuffercA in the common henfey becAtiJi rve mufi carrie God in our mindes . 7# which we anfwery thnt imagejmuji be fitfferedin all places ythatwemAy the better carie ^ od ^ in our heArtSsbemghjthe fight of them , both often fHt in mindeefhim^ ^wdmuchmoHedtohonoHT and lone him* R. A B B O T« t^ii.i'ut i*>n*g» Thatallthisanrwcrisbuta mccrcihift,appcarcthby./^4'^o»- , 7{f sH,r,tr At ad,^ fusdeC^firo^ wHo confcflcth that EftfhMWs did hold i\\{s errer ] 7,lqH»dfiti Zqui as he callcth it againft images , as did alio after him Serenns Bifliop ; 4ccufi»iiuuf,rt ofMafliliajinthctimeofCr^jrijnVthc great, but makeththiscx- ' ptr hhcrutn tune cuic tor thcm * that the matter was not thenfo manifejt , neither h^d Z%nViil*fXtire ^^^ Church ut that time defined any thing cfit\ and therefore it was hEf,fh»n.ef,fi.*i (reefer them, wtthont any note of hereRe tobee of th^tminde. Ipray i^TL"nuf^' ^^^^' S«^"^^« Readcr^here to obfcruc , that the worihipping of nua- ^tiHtnfendtnsin gcs was tto poiHt of Chriftianfiiith or doftrinc in the time oiGre- %t'iSi'd%ml*^*\^^^%^^^^i t^at is, for fixe hundred yeares after the time of ^T'w^"^'"' Chrift, and that it was free for men without being queftioned of SittfdinrJm hcrcfic,all thac while to fpeakc againft it. Hereby then eftcemc tm!!7fl!ut"'*m ^^^°^'^^y*fcf^*tarcto be accounted nevrmaiftcrs, bringersinof gT^ovid'^cni^nZ- new do6lrines, and fetters vp of new religions in the Church of #i./4 chrfcitr* ChrH\yM.Bf/hop is loath to dealc plainly as ^Iphonfus did.and cher- 4t»th»rtt*teferiptM c •111 i iii ' J ' r4n» hoinufUire »0f e Will by no mcanes haue it thought that Epiphanius was of that '^*m%i'dfd!1on- ^^i"^c»t>utbringcth vscertaine wooddendeuiccs,to perlvvademcn jiimmcufl»d*> agamjithe amhorttyofthe Scriptures i to fee the tntizge of a man hanging m the Church. M. ^tjhop would fecmc to be bhnde, but indeed he law this well cnough^and thcrfcrc feekech ocher lliitts.bccaufc this could not (cruc.He would make vs bclecuc ihdXfome old emm^eof images add: d that poJI-fcrtpt T/wroEpipluiniusA-r/rr, callingxiiaca poft-lcnpt which is aiultand fubftantiall part ot a letter or Epillle, and (eeking to hauc it accoun- ted an addition by another man, which all co^->ie» botli ot'Epipha- tttus Ins vvorkcs in Greekc, and //;.'rbui „if^ Citing One placc out of them, they addc, « The fAme father in fMhuerfitneMuit* 9ther Of uis SermoHs, hath fata many things for the c/isttngavr^ne oft" ^ixitquiSiudiofi pf,ffg: which thry that are ^udioftsb-y fearchjhall eafily fiytde, Itap- utmtM. peareth therctore that thole Fathers haddc no meaning to bring all ?Ar£«t t^Ir ml^^^^^ m igiit bee brought, and it is a wilfull falfhood to fay that they wntumahc^utda. did lb. And that tlicrc was more to haucbeene alledged outof £- ^I'lnT&ilt^tlM^''^^^^^^^ itisplamc, not oncly for that'hcecallethf thedeuifingof ti0jimt4Uehrtrum. tmagfs, a whoTedome orfarmcatioft^and (ctteth it downe for a matter gidcm.hl7.j^' of the Carpocratian Iierefie, that amongeft other they worfliipped HHiutfiyUchri- the image of Chrilt,as before was faid,but alfo for that hee condcm- hMtxZfi^&c.il ^^^^'^ ^be Colly ridian hcretikes for making the image of the virginc f*fl.s,mHt4thrifi. Maryland offering to it, whofe hcrcfic for that caule he calleth g the *umh»cfiHdtum . ^ ,. , °r t r ' i- r- if * dUMeiu ton*, tmage-r/taking herejie,ot an herefiegiHen to making oj image Sy and cal- JiJd^P^'.TliT, lethr^r deftre ofmahingtmagesAdetiiUifljpraBife, Forthedeui/fyith xus h$mt»umM,i,te hcjieating int0 mens minds vnder pretence efrighteoufnejfeydeifieth the ^r^i!i*h!!!i. ***o^t^Umtnre inthe eyesofmen, and by variety ef arts framethfian" Hum eeuiu dcijtc-ii, dirds bearing inpiew the images •fme-/ine. ^Andthey verily rehe are imA^n!^T»^^cr,n'^°^^*'^P^ ^rtf^rfty,(^ is pafi beino content vith the UvpfHllmariap: of one mxn. Here \ tm^imcsqua vun- ^^ appcafctli thctaUhoodc or that which Eptphanws the Deacon m ^"^i"*"^""'' ^'^^ P^^^^ \^ccvc cited by Af, Btfjjop^ faith as touching tliis Efiphi-niui xrlkticZTMuUf t'le Bifhop,that in his bookc againlt hcrcfies, he itt. downe none as !2-"*«7/)'r/" ^^iiching i mages :;v!ien as exprelly he codemncth in thofe iieretiks €$mmw,e%rLm thc making of the image of the virgin MaryyZ.% I haue faid,and offc f /tT«)I^7£/*"S toit,as their manner was to offer to it a cake: whence they had *f4f«/»«rr/f-r«»,,that name di(follyridians giucn to them. And hereby may be con- ir^u»dtimfer*n- tumlt^it'tmieoniit^ vmw viridctrimt. cciucd of Images, 1 177 cciucd what account wc arc to make of yT/.i?,third rcalon cliat in the fame couHcell other two places rvere hr0t4ght as it B'fr"» "'^ *»' "• , like a Wily Sophillcr hce reckoneth vppc of the Billiops that liucd in ^ulr^i'iifimutl' tlie time i)i EptphnMHs diucrfe chicfc men, as 3'-ifU : Cregon: Na/;>/;/»»;«; the Dcaco, & that is little in this czic.Epiphu. theBiihop ofC) prus hued40c.years before this ^jpi/j^.the dL*aco,that isjbcforc djetimc of that z.Nicen CounccUilf they would hauc bw bclceucd ar 1 178 ofl^^^i^s. as touching a matter fourc hundred ycarcsbecforc, they flioulde hauc brought mcctc proofc and tcftimonic thereof, which fith they did not, wee cannot hold it for trueth, inafmuch as othcrwifc wcc finde thetn fo many wayes culpable of vntruth. But whereas Mai- fter Btjhop laii.!i, that thofe ScholUrs ^/^Epiphanius ivould neuer haue done fo^ tfhchadde taught the fame to be agawjithe ScrlptHre, it is his bare prcfumption, & not any ncccflary conclufion, becaufe though Mo/es had taught the children of Ifraelfrom God, that they fhould make no Idols or worfhip them, yet when he was but a little gone from them, they made them, yea ^aren himfclfe made for them a golden Calfc. As touching the other fentcnce of £p/)?)[7^??;Wj- cited by Maifter 'Perkins out of the Councell of Conftantinoplc it is this : l^PptdNfcT.^ '} ^^' mwdfHlibeloHedfonnes^ not to hring Images into the Churchy nei- ^ff.6. Efttie mi- ther tofctte them in the (^hurchjardesy bat alwaj/es CArie Cj9d(iboHt tit ZVJlufilSmAp**^ hearts. Tea, let them not be fufered in the ordwarie htfife, for tt is lines tnfcratis,nej, Tjotfitfor o, ChrtfljaK mm to bec helden by the ejesy bnt by the occupa- ur^"cLJ!!tMtZ'*^*''^ ^f^^' ^iytde. Ai. Bipiop anfvvcreth, that Images mufi befuffered fUfirpetuo circii - iyi allpUces^ that wee may the better carie God $n our hearts^ bee$ng by mL vtfi7i!'s^mj^ght thereof put in minde of him. BUt how vainc this anfwer is here- •fUm n,j, m i*m» [jy appcareth, for that wcc finde in the Scriptures, that the fettina tuKNtienimfat vpotluch Idols IS propoBndcd to bcc thc ^ fergetttngofGodsceue- 'Jl2s'fi!fi"uft!m'' ^^^h^f^^tfjc ctrrupting ofourfe/ues, but find it no where commen- itntrtfedftr $cch- dcd in thc S cripturc, to be a mcancs of remcmbring him. He hath f Dwt'Ti^is. ^'" before vs the heauen and earth as a glaflc, wherein wcc may be- iRom J.20. hold^ hispvpoer MndGodhead, and thereby bee mooucd to make cn- quiric after him. Hehath giucnvs his wordc to anfwer vs what is necdefuU when we enquire of hifii. He hath appoynted the Sacra- ments for fealcs of that grace and mercy, that hec hath rcuealcd in his wordc. He fettcth the fpc6taclcs of his prouidence, and mercy, and iudgemcnc continually bcefore our eyes. By thcfe meanes hec hath taught vs to be put in minde of him, and to learne to cary him in our hearts, but to be put in raindc of him by an Image, it is one- ly a vainc and friuolous pretence of Idolatrie, and no dirc^ion or inftruftion ofthe holy Ghoft. It is enough for vs, thatthcp^o- ple of God who were to remember God as well as wcc, yet neucr found it lawfull to fct vp an Idol! to remember him thereby. II. W.Bi- of Images, \ 17 ^ II. W. BisHOf. No)»» 7 cemt VMt» 4 third foint, which M. Pcrkini WMketh the ftconi. •foMY differeHCCy that images maj be not onely made 4nd/et tn chnrchef, yutalfo wcrfjtpped. lA.Pctkmsho/ds the ctntrarjiand his prirtcipal/grtUMdis thefecond temtnandement^rvhich itntatnes (faith he) tvrofaits. The firfi forbidt the making of images to refemble ^od'.thejecond.the rvor^Apptng cfthem «r Cjod m them^tn thefe words, 1 iiou ihalt not bow dcvvnc to them. AnOiN. If it be oneljforbiddefi to make the image of Cod/itidto adort itjthenthem4iktniavdrvorPjipfir!gcf the image of (^hrtjl ^or of arty #- ther creature ^it not there prohibit ed : andfo this fee o ndccmmandeme nt more then thrift ailedgedy retU not fern e the turne againft any other /- ff*4g: but Gcd onely, ^> d tnplaine reafon^accordtng atfo to M. Perkins hti orvne confejfton , the commandements cfthefirji table touch or,ely our dutie towards God that wegiue him allhis due honour^ and doe netg/ue any part thereof vnto any thing elfe whatfoeuer . H'herefc re diuine and godly worfhtp is onely there fpoken of y ardnot fuch worjhip as wee gtue VKto any creature , or to thept^Iure of it, ,jind confequently there is w thing there againji the worjhipping of holy images, Obferue that there is afoucratgne wcrfiip due to Godas to the crea~ tor andgouemtrof allthewcrld^aiidto gmethisto any creature is tdo- iatry, ^AKother honour^ by infinite degrees irferiour^yet alfolute tn it f elf it afcribed vnto ^Angels, and men as creatures endued with reafcn^and made after the liker.e^e of Gcd, and to exhibite this to whom it is due , // ciutlityanei not idoLt>y,'l his honoitr may b: deutdcdintotwo partSy be^ caufe thefe creatures are like to Gcdy as well in thdr natural/ powers and 4jualiteSy as in the ir/upcrnaiuraUAKdthat honor which isgiuen to man or ylrgrlyin refprdi cfayy ».'.tural£]i:alttte./n^y be called mort-.llcr ctutl hutthatwhthis (itiributtdvnto them in r:gardcf their [upernaturuli gfiiymfiy welbe ca'lLdreii^tous andfpirituall^ becaufeit is due into the cnely for their fpirituallur^eligious qualities. There is a third ki>:d ofwc rjhip^y:t meant r then the other: which is a f^ndofdrpentUnt andrefpt fitve wer/hipias when afc ruart is honour i d or cherifl^edy not for his tune but for his m-nfers /.. kf- ^ndthif is th/it Vccrfbip which we allow vnto im.'geSy whichfrthe Saints fake whtm tt dnh reprefcnty we do either reuercntlj regard,ortake cffour h,.t, or bow Ffff *«^ Il;6 Qf Images, §urkn!evntolt» T^ntth'irAlimAof-^orpji^beingafi we 4B0W vnto pi- RHreSywerehenoith^t vyiderjiandi it more then halje franticke^ thn ffjouU thinks «f a great deffarrAgement vnto the incomprehenjihle vor-^ Jhip ofGody that to one ofhisferuantJipi^Hres Ijhou/djee/de fomefneh pettie renerence \ or thst GodjhoHldforktd this in the forefront of bit uncommAmdements'imthingle^e^ R.Abbot* IthtTUtthAt^ecommakndefwntspfthefirfl tahle doe touch one ff 9ttrdHtj torvsrds God, requiring that wegiue htm dllhis due honor, and doe notgine any part thereof to any thing elfs rvhatfoeuer, Tlicretbrc the fccond comniandcmcntfor prefcruing entirely the honour of God forbiddeth the making of any image whereby to reprelcnt or re-- icmble him , and not oncly fo, but any image whaclbcucr to bow downe to it or to yvorpiip it , yea & not oncly the making and wor-« /hipping of imagcSj but alfo the worfhipping of the creatures thcm- felues, any whatfoeucr cither in hcauen or earth. Both the wordcs of the commaundemenrand the Scriptures ofparticular la^es that are referred vnto it, do planely fhew that all thefc things are to bee vndcrftood therein. Now then feeing tlielaw laid both of images and oFcrcaturcs, Th^ajhalt not bow dotvne to them nor worjhip them, it mull follow that they who make the images of Saints and doe bow downe to them and worlhippc them, do trclpaflc againft this commandcmcnt, and therefore the commandemcnt is by M^T^^"*-- kins rightly and well applied againft Popifh Images, 'Qwx.M* Bijhop telleth vSylhitone/ydiMtnecrgod/j/wor/hip istherejpokfncfj anduot fHchTvor(hipasth:ygiHetoanycreatHreortothepiBureofit^ And wc acknowledge that oncly diuine and godly worfhip is there fpoken of, but diume or godly worfbip wee fay is all* manner worOiip per- taining to godlincflc and religion, and therfore that they in giuing religious worlhip to Saints and to their images, do contrary to the commaundemcntgiue vnto them diuine and godly worlliip. But M.BiJhop with a diftin6lion of worrtiip takcth vpon him as doe his fellows to mock God, and albeit they commit all abfurdity of ido-. latry, yet by a fchool-trick will make him belceue that they doe him no wrong ac ail Jic uUccb vs oi^fomraigne wrpttp due to god, and of OflmAges, "llgy $f4reUgioHsorffiritMaUvforJhip dne to %Attfieh And Sjitti, and of« dtfpendent andre/fenmeyfrjbtp due to Imdges* But what, isnotiho loucraignc worlhip of God a religious and fpirituall wor/hippc ?or what doc they make of their worlhip of imagcs?is there no religion therein, and do they account it oncly a profane and carnall fcruicc i If on all parts there be religious and (pirituall worfliip as he will not deny, what a wife part doth he play to giuc vsadiftinftion of three members whercot one comprchcndcth all ? Well, how focucrhec fumble in histcrmes, yet wcemuft take vpon vsto vndcrlbndhi* meaning well enough^ namely that they make three kinds of w or» fhip, one bclongmg to God, another to Angels and Sainti, and a third to Images, 1 hey arc wont to make but two kindes,/4/rw to God, and d:.HliA to Angels and Saintcs, and both tiicfeicuerally to bee performed to their images, and we can hardly take yl/,^//tc// word for any warrant thst they arc nowe minded othcrw il'e. It hath bene their common rule,that* thehsnourcfthe image ndopird(.th to zThtm.^i^ htm rrhofc im^ffrit is, 1 heretcre Thtmus ,^«A-j>Mjrclolucih that ^' the f 2,9 i J;"'"'?/ • fame refterence ugiften to tke im^^e efChrtJte urdto Chrijiehtmfiife^ tcrim^^wftd AfulbecnH[e Chr^ is to bee rv»rP^^?ppidrt>tih the rror/htp cfUtria ( tiiat r>^'*'3f^f»-^ is, Duunc and godly wci flup ) ujollcyreth that kts tmitge aljo is tc be b ibtiu $*rf, Worfh pped yt-tth thepmc yrer(fjfp of /^/r/^.T herd ore ^rdr^dius lauh ^,tt'Zl7',irT^Z #r/ hath bene ' bctore Ihcw cd, yyee dtny rot but that nre wojhippe the <^'"'fi' *■ 'iJicM Crojfe cfChrtflrtith thts nor/mp cf /atria. So then inafmuch as the /L^X/iltrli.- JTamts arc to bee worlhippcd with the worflup Qideult^ty therefore r*ntn,uiri4€tn^ they hold that their images are in hke fort lo bee wcrfluppcd. Be/- 'tZ'"mli»%\i: lamune fimpcrcili Icmcwhat at the matter, and ttUcth vs, that ^ it ''-'«•'<' '-"■'- -^»- flit ^ I 1 1 1 I fMKaMm ptay be admit ted th-tt tmpropcrlj and accidentally images m^y bee rvcr- c Sta.i. fhtp^edrviih the Jknte kinde cfvcorPjtppe yehereraih their prir.c pals are '^j^'f/'^'^'f''^ wor/hipfed I but one of his fellow Icluites affirincth fimply and ^diBtmfuft; ' plaincl}-, that' »/■ // the cenftant opimtn of their Timwes, that the mage Z'^^l^'Jo^''/,*'^ is vporjbtpfedvftth the fame hcnetir and wfr/htp wherevtth heetsytcr- ^c-iJimtidtmit, 'jhtppedtvhofe image it is. MfBifbop therclore,but onely tiiat he hath 7mfiZ',!!jjl!'**ir- the countenance of lo great a Cardinall as Bel/armme^ might haply ""^ recciue a chcckc for doing fomc disgrace to holy Images, by put- 'u^,^*[f'»c^', tino them to a lower and infcriour kindc of vvorlliip then the ccni- fi""'J* Th,»i»^»^ mon opinion of thcirDcuines doth attribute vntotbmj.WnicJi in ^,„„/.rfi«fc.»» ^ipnity he maktth the creatcr by making, imaccs as fcruanrs or Icr- " ^ '•'''" '*'' luog men to thcin whole in)agcs they ocC|tu Ciinlt and his oan.ts, ./r m^^^ ■ -^ - f fff» ■ or 1182 OflmAges, or to God if they be images of God • ^s when Afemant is hoMured not far his owne if fit far his mdjlersfakc • (o is that Ttftrfhippe ( faith ht) T3^h:ch wee aIUw to images y which for the Saints fal^ whome tt deth re- prefcntj wee do: either reHsrentlyregardey ortakeoffot4rhaty or bow our knee vnto if. But what rcalbn is it to make fcruants of them who arc more trimly decked and more loftily fct vp then eucr tlieir maftcrs were t A feruant is to be regarded for his matters fake, but what rcalbn is there to giueto theieruant that honour that apper- taincthtothemailler, yea which the maftcr hath holdcn vnlaw- t^tu*nc^'yfjifi phetSy andofthemth.tthep: thsw9rdes (fthisboohei worJhipQod,. Aitrt'e vtentem' , . ./, i i / /» i i- II • K»n admifit,&c. fyhcrefors tt belongcth to Cjod onelj to bee worjhtppedy 1 aytn nee, »«- ^mtni^ci'l'^r^ri *^'*' ^^' ^^' ^Angcls igfiorant thereof., who nlhett they exceede others irt niqmc idab ^nge glortf^ jet Acknowledge th;mfclms to be creature s^ and that thej are to^ ^q^^nlTc'Jcr»s^^''^^.^'^ ^" ^^' ^^^^ *f them that Are toworjhippey andnot of them lUrit trMfcendut that are to bee worlhippid, Nowe if Angcllcs and Saints haue refu* 'ft'eff^'^^qZ" ^^^ tohauc worlhippc done v nto them.becaufe they arc but mcnnp eUtftbH^ adorand* and fcllow-feruants with vs to God, howe may it bee thought law- !^[^^,}cunt^!'' ivi^^ot vstcydoc itt(yt[mv Ccmmts, that is, to idols and images, as i $mpHUn Mcrt. CO thcir (cruaDts for their fakes ? S urcly wee cannot lee howe tliis by any rcafon can (land good* Albeit wee hold it alfo an vnman- uerly and rude part m M* 'Bt{hop thus to thrufl: (cruants vpon theoi without their will. Where doth it appeare vnto him that they hauc promilcd entertainment to any ftch leruants: what eoucnant hauc they made withthcm ? what wages doc they pay them ? what fcr- uice doc they require of them ? nay what feruice Q^ould they ex- or^j , pc6t of (cnflefl'e blockc$,8 which haue eyes andjee not year es andheare «cuei. 5. i©. not, hands and handle noty feeteandw ilke noty throate and/peak^ not ^ which cannot ^goe when they are bid goc, nor C4me when they arc "' "*' bid come, nor 2ftfff what they are bid doc. And if they bee of n»'j feruice, ifthey be good for nothings why arethcy(ctfoorthtov$ by a comparifon of feruantes to bee well entertained and vied for their maftcrs fake ? OH. Bifljop then hath hccre made a wife ^, handc, to fet downc a diltiri6bon of worfhippe, the particularf; i ^ iwhercof arc neythcr plcaiing co vs nor to his ownc friendcs ♦. ■* Albciltl t oflTmges, ,,j^ Albeit it is withall to be vndcrftood,t!iat thefc diftinftions of wor- fliip, whetlicr M. "Btjhtp or any others, belong to the thcorcmcs of tlicir fchoolcs, not to tiic prattifc ot their Churches. They tell vs ofdiucrskindsofworiliipin their fchooles, when as in their chur- ches there is no difference to be fcenc j but what tiiey doc to God the fame they doc to Saints, the iaiiic alfo to the iinagcs of the Saints. Wherein that their ablurditic and the vanitic of their di- ftin6Uon may the better appcare, let vs examine what things they arc that belong to diuinc and godly worftiip, which they call £««-. /r/rf, which if tiiey bee found togiuc in common to their Saints and images ,thcn it fliall bee manifeit that their diflinftion \% vfed but '^^"f^"?^"'*^ onciyforafhcw to blind the vnaduifed and igncrant Reader, but ?-"rM-"&^.^^ cannot with any intelligent mindc acquit them ofthatidolatrie}l'J|fc'/;;'^';, which we impute vnto them.To^ww^ crgsdly rv»rJhtp,CjttI6<.K/fH- ^^^! d'i'l//,\Z" ftin,dot reckon to be belonging 'f4crcddcuot,or:s,frtcfihocdjcmfies Zll'^ttte. ^ltars,f4iicrifice$i4ndoffer}ngs^ceremo»ies,ffJliuaJUAjcs Ardjolcnimties ^y''^ '»''^*i»l^^^ Vowcs,pr^j ^-^^ facrtficesyor cenficratmg any thing that is ours or ourfc/ucs by ctty rites ik^oi!!p 4".^"' tr cercMOKies efreligtcn. Now wiiat is there of all theic tJungs wluch ^-^"l"^'-'"'*- thcyyccld not to their Saints, and in the name of the Saints to the /-^''^-/-'ii^*^' images of the Saints? They worfhip them, they pray vnto thcm^fi^'i^X^";;;,^. they make confefi ions and vowcs to them, they giuc thankes to '/'y*"''''!'" -""i^" them for bencfitcsrecciued, they pcrforme facrcd dcuotions andH,T//ftrZ*. ceremonies to them , and tljereto confecratc thcmfelucs and their '"/'i"",**^- 1^ goods, they kccpc holy dales and fafling daiesinthc worfliip and ;:;;",;:{;.'"""" honour ot them, they fetvp lights before them , they put precious '^''"" ««"•-/'»'. and cortly garments vpon them , theymakc pilgrimages to them, tlTui^JJUrrs and no end is there of religious rites and duties which with all ho- ""^'^^'p'"'»* lie obfcruation they yeeld vnto them, ' Who doubt (th ( f.ith Saintj^^n/Jri'T',., »AuViiie)bHt that to TKhomfoener tveebutldatcmfU^yvcefcrHe ^^if^nt'^crHlrl^m'/'^ mth latria, that is the worfbip of God "' F*r tjto any ofthfmcft ex- 'l'>'i'rTMl^.t' cclUnt Ungtls (faith hc)ypecJhoHldofy,ood^ndpne butld^ temple or ItL^ST! thurchyvcpJi'.ld yeeld 10 the creature aferntceyvhtch is due to G<^dcnly "i''/'— <«r/.pw 9KbilnrtmMJ ism/erMttM(4M qut vm iMtum ithttur Dtt. FfffS But "llS4 Oflmdges. But ch'is tliey did as ErdTmus there noceth " to euery of the Saints^C" cordingly as Boniface tnc fourth ^conJecrAtedthe Vantheon of the R*" rnmss tothehononrofthe blejfed yirgiy.e ar.d allthe Afartyres'^ accor- ding as they arc taught to pray comrning into a Church,? Oyse Saints of Gedin the honor And remembrance of whom this Church was dedicated and tkfeaUar.tconfccrated^(^c. Where it appcarctbaUb virginu omnium^ that they confecraccd altars to the Saints and to their honour , yea '^"uZTvirg. infomuch that in the Ghurchcs tlicy had many times their peculiar chappcls and altars,and Priefts.our Ladies chappclljour Ladies al-» tar, our Ladies Prieft, & fo for other Saints, whereas S.y^«^/« alfo tcftifieth,tliat to be honoured with an *! alcai' is a thing proper to God oncly.Albeit here they except that they ofier not theirfacri- fice to any but to God oncly, namely that in their made they do not fay, '^ We offer vnto the OP^f^/- or ?<«;) the Lord onely (hall he Jlaine.^hzvt'f by immolation or facrtfce (faith Lyrji)is vnderjioodto beforbiddeobUtionidri'^kjijferiiigyburKiHg ofincenfe, and fitch other things which in the tentple were done direBJj to God himflfe^ Hereby then it is plainc that all manner of religious t «.cor.iM4. ^j^ J jjQJy Q^jj-ing 15 tQ [jg^ accounted a peculiar honour of God tL,c»attirniint aloiie , and chercforc did Epfphanihs condcmnc tlic Collyridian '^ ' herecickes as nuking a god of the Virginc CH^rie , in that by they offered a cake iinto her or in her name. nErdfmMd.m m*rfine, H»e, Mtmtfit qitiln*f- IJftt diuu. O PUtm.iri Bf~ mif.^, Pttnthion M Phtc* ibtlttHlt MarU fecund, vfum Surtun, 6dnStdeiin qiurtunhomre 4f c»r»mem»rA f$»ni IjMcfttnBj dedicataeJlEc- e*. 4tsto Gedy therby thinking that they arc to bcc acquitted of Idolatric li^'j!!p,6M,'i7. for that albeit they giuc diuinc honor and worftiip to their Images, '"f^-' d.cMnt„r^M which hec could not denie, yet they giuc it not to them as i^kmsf^ti'^i't^.m them to be gods But S.^AuJlm fimply faith,that ^ they ure cdUedldo- q'**d'bitnrDt». Uters who ghitto Jrymges thatferuice that is due to God, which they fdufiM-i^Js. doing by ins ownc confcflion, muft confequently beaflBrmcd to be ^ ' '^^'^''Z^ idolaters. Ncitlicr can the diftindtions vfcd hyM^Bifrnp and the refl:,^''''-'^^ '«'"»* whatfocucr colours they fet vpon them, excufc them in tiiis behalfe, ''«''.j""«'*'"*'^» becaufe iiovvfocucrtlieytcrmc it an infcriour worfliippe which they e/<^>i»«»frj2.«* doc 10 Saints and Images, yet it is religious wcrfliip or worfiiippc^^^^J^'^/j*,^,;^^' of religion, and worfliippc of religion is peculiartoG ODalonc.^'i"«»f/>'''""^« ^The^^p:jlle((^\tUS.Aupine) M:ddeth thatyvorjljippe ^frcligiofj^j^^f^-^i;^:,:^^^^^ heyteUedto a cre.iture.* C hrijliam (faith he ) are to olrlerue that » ith ^ixofermatur. dntif of religion they Tvtrjhip Godomly. Therefore he faith as touching!,^ /J?. S5 j^'7«jr» the Saints, ' Let it be no reltgttn with vsto tpcr/hip dead men : they are "•*" r'/'i"' to be hancfrredfpr im tt.it tot: y not to be wor pipped for religion : T»e honour r„m[^c.Ht them by tvay of hue, tjrst bj way cfjernice. To this purpofc the famc^'/"""'? ' '^'' S. .xf^y?/»^ very fitly obfcructh, that 8 rcligionisfo called of lyir.gour^^r.dify'tftt^Al- fo\l sto God oueij. that wee may concciue that as LaRantms lav ethji""""'*^'"*"* tt,ntnftrmtlltt. g IktdLt vni TtU^^t-ntcHihiimu n*fit,f,va.'.e>el''j^'»dtl}d(red,tHr. rf ff 4 »• !•• culiiu rtH»' HtKtrMm trimt Adt. tl86 (9//W4ffi. ^fto religion or worfhtp is to h holden but of God only. In refpcft w he r- it^p!io.$s'»' of hauing condemned imagcSjhe viech this cxhortanon,ihat ' we a- ttventrdtwH»u» dorenothiw, ivorJhipnsthingbHt the onely Gfidhedd of onr maker tind VnendZp^ " Father J^ Hio\'v then g$iuiiU€ct'endu4 what do they but niockc vs in tclhng vs of a diucrs kindc of vvorfhip fj^fiuui'tT ^^ t>e pertbrracd by way of religion Co God, to faints and Images, eitu. when as m religion there is no woriliippe to bee done to any but to ]^JfS'i'Ei7dh,. God alone ? They tell vs tlicy giuc not the fame worfhip to Images ttwtu^nimttmtjHtQTzothe Saints 35 they doc to God, when as rehgion tcachethvs ilulilm^p^Ztc ^'■'^t no worfhip at all is due cither to images orSamts, but to God r*mhiUffi,Mtcjf, oncly . Albcit they lie therein, as hath beene fhewed,inaimuch as by VntlZ%n7Zn ^hc common opinion of their Diuines, the Images of God and of sdtit*t^ a»r*u. chrift arc to bee worlhippcd with diuinc worfhip, beccaufc diuinc urlTomedi'f'xlfi worfhip is duc to them that arc rcprefented thereby. Now there* -t/^ immutk fore w licrcas M.Bifbop faith , that all the worltip which they doc to Images is but reuerently to regardjtopHt off the hat and to bow the knee to them, he fpeaketh as a manne alhamcd of tliat which euery where and in all places is pra6tifed amongd them . And it may be that he Ipeakcthitbutonelyby cquiuocation inre(pe6l of the vcrie Image m*'il7J^S'»f'ci' " ^^^^"^> ^^^ ^" ""^^^ ^^^7 ^^'^l'^ *^f''^f^ ( ^^^^^ Beliarmine ) there isftme ■iUniffi\mxiir,'tfacredmatter ^namely the Ukeneffe toahsly things and the dedicating or }lllHmntmrut conjecratt^g ofttto difitnewor/hippe, and therefore Images themjelues fimiinui* td rim in thcmfelues are worthy ofhonor^and not only as thtyreprefentor beare ■S!clt»y£/fit^-"'^^/"^^/^^ »fth:priftctpalL His propofition more fully cxprcfleth the er^tadrnxicui" fame, " The Image ofChriJie and of the Saints are to b^eworjhipped *&nlnf!iJiLvt' "^^ ^'^'h accidentally or vnproperlyjbut properly ar.d in themfdueSyfo as tr*t»tjpfvu:m xc th^t they determine the worfhippe themfelnes as they are confideredin >»f. *"*^' '^'"^ themfeiaes^ and not onely as they ftippiy the place of thetr principally nniiimAttnts Thus haply M* Bifhophv a cunning diftin6lion tclleth vs that they rHJvenirAr.dAjTitg'^^^ ^o morc worlhippc to images then that which he mentioncth, '"'/"''♦"• /'"■""-beecaufe in one meaning they giuc no morc as they arc confidcrcd- dtnsvtlintprtfrii, ^ o / O ' fed ttitLmpfrfeir prffriifiUvtiffs tcrnHntntvtntrMitnem^vtin ft etnfidtrantnrf& ntnftli*m vt vicem germtcxtv$fUri». m of Images, 1187 la thcmfclucs, but let Jiim make the meaning what hce will, hcc knovvetli well tliac in tlic dcuotion of the people tlicy hauc all the lame vvoriliip and Icruicc done to them as is done to God himlcUc. Albtit that whici) hce iiinifcUc mentioneth is a witlellc alcnllcflc and drunken dcuotion. like to the fuperftirion that was derided m thePasans, who" at the lizht of tkcitnaqe cf S erupts ( otixx^M hke ) vereypotit gowgbj tp ktjje the band^nzmciy in token or doing reiic- odAiai^Ar,,*. fence thereto. What a brutiili and bealUy abfurditie is it, that an '';^"'J'''^l[*, '^"''' vndcrilandinglbulc iliould deie6t it fcUto do reuerence to a block? v^r^iM/rptrji,,,,^ God hath laid, 7 hotfjhd/t not bow dovene to them \ and aoaine teach- ^''' f''/'-'""""^ cthmantolay, Sh^lllbowtothejiockeofatree? The Prophet faith iur^iri,^s:;,p„. of Idolaters, '1 'J hey worpjiptheworkeofthetr 0-ivne handesyvhich their ^^^^^J^^^^' ev^ne fingers hdtte mAde^and a man boyvcdhimfilfet^nd AmanhHrnbUd himJelfe^thereforefpAre thcmnot. Hee denounceth the vengeance oi God to them who to ftockes & ftoncs,tothc works of mens handes will doc euenthofepcttiercuerenccs which M. ^//^ro^p fpcaketh ot Therefore whereas he laith, This third kt^tde cfworfitp kteing eiUthat ree allow vnto piBureSyWere he not that vnderfiandes it more then halfe fraHticke^that/bouldthinke if a great dtfparagement vnttthe incfimpre-- henfible tvorjhip ofCod^ that to tne ofhisferuantspiBures ijheuldyeeld fome fuch pettte reuerence ^or that Cj»dJhonldforbidthis tn theforefr^tit ojhis ten comandemeTits} 1 anfwer with his o wnc w*rdcs,Nof^/>f/ lejfe. Wc fee chat hke Cauphashcc fpeaketh the truth, and is not aware, Indeedeitis«cr/;i«f /fj(7/.y were hurt or cou- ♦xj*. 2 ?. FtrfJfit ched, all the world would prcfcntly be diflbIued:fo the Roniifli po- *^^'^^?^^''-^^Miticiansper(;vade themfclues that their golden worldc will foone tMchrMmiiiffdeon- comcto nouglit if oncc they fliould offer to lay violent hands vpon 9ii♦ £-t(r^^/W tcoke knowledge o(it(wIiich it fcemcth fbmc och er godly kings before him had not done) &c6demncdic as wic- ked & vnlawful,& tojakc away vtteriy tlie occafion of that idolatrie hee Oflmdgi's. 118^ hce brake die fame brazen Serpent in pccccs, calling it Li conccinnc bccauleukhcabulcofic, upeiLeofbra^c* fhatiCwMS wonlnupcd then wcfind,and for diat caulc was dcllroycd, but ciiat it was cucr h'.vfully vvorl hipped, there is nothing CO be foLuid. \cz Ai.'Bifjop very Icwuly fee kcch to tach.crthii conceit vpon 6'. A»/itne,^ ^-isvpit- /unt hontrtrntAo* hcrenowc wJiencc M^Bt^op Inouldamrmc that J^.^f «/?/>; accoun- q»Amrt!,i,»fAh». ted the brazen Serpent worcliic o^relmoHs rvorjhip I What doth he ''"'f'Il'*""'M'- lay more ot the brazen fcrpent then he doth of letters and writing, m «•»/»/!«»» and will Uii. Btftjop lay that hcc will haue letters and writing to bcc worfhipped ? Tkings appertaining to the vie ofreligion are to be honored by decent and fccmely vfagc, as our Churches, pulpits,vc i^ftiments, cups^booksjaud fuch lijccjand yet they arc not to be wor- fhipped, .Jaint Prf^/faith,« The eldtrs that rule rvellare yvorthie of dot* ^ , Tim m7 ble honour y and yet wee hope M.'B'Pjop will not vppon a good opi- nion ofhimlclfc take vpon him to bee worfliippcd. ^ Efteryonethat^.^*'*^"^''"'^*^ votrPiippith, honour el h, laitii j", tAufiine^ but euery one that honour eth ii in,rdt »mnu am dcthnotworfhip/rUcvciorc Epiphanius faitJi of the blcflcd Virginc, ^^;;;/;^7'';;'" g Let mfary bee in hon:ur : let Father, Sonne and holy Cjho^ be wor~ '> "ordi. /hipped: Let no man voorftAp Ai,\ry \ thismy fiery belongeih vnto God^ %-is't^nh*iZ{, She isholy andhonof.rnble ^ but is nc t to be worflfipped. The brazen Icr- 't-^'-^MPaitr & ft pent then iniglit be honored by being carefully kept, as Manna was JlTd^f.ZlZST- forthercmembrnncc ofthe bencHte thereby rccciucd, but there- ^'J',"^'*'^''"^''* upon to nllignc to it re/'gims yporfjsp is a collcdio fomwhat ltr;ingc. myjienum.^'c. Seein-z tlicrcforc the brazen .Serpent was neucr lawfully vvorllup- "^ '"•'•"-•' <''*'"'^ ped, Ai^ipjop hath no argument from thence to pioouctl!at^-5:gofoncGodythMtTvhAtid:i}b: htu lone f r [ofhAllttbe ,y,^,t dtf.njir^dp his, if It h onelj hts. A nd To did ^mhr./e \ nd( rlland the wc rds of j;(;^'^;i;'J";,'; Chridjwhen he laith,*^ IVe re.xde that tictht/.g b.fide Cod ts t» b - yvor- ,n.m tpjintirUf jhippsd, hecaufetttswrittetty Th^H PjuI. rvorpjip th' Lo dthyGcd^ar.d d'[^,'^y,X^ htwoKe.'ytho'ifljAltferue. And to take it othcrvvifc,takcth away the ^;^^;J};^^';^j* force ot Chriib exception againft the diucll : for it is no (ufticient ^.T^V^rj^ JT rcafon to fay, 1 wUl notworfliip thee, becaulcit is laid, Thou flialt D^^^^Uv^^m^ worihi^tlic Lord diy God, ifodici: dungs uiay, be worfl)ippcd be- miwntmu^ iipi Of Images, fide God. Ifto makegood the anfwcr of Chriftc they will reft the ftrcngth tlicrcof vpon the latter part of the wordcs, tliey confound thciiileluc$,and make our ailcrtion good.For if in the wordcs of the law i&T&fl /uoyoi XonjJtwff «5, Bim or.lj thou pjalifcrne^ be an exception againft that which the dcuill rcquireth of Chrilt, tof^ilUov^neanJi rtforjhip him, it muft neccflarily be grantcd,tbat tvfaUdowne andrvor TfvropJtp w Actlf eo«y, to performe ajcruice oflatrU^io do thac icruice which belongeth to God orjjy .Wherefore will they, mil they, they muft confcfle char the law intendech to lay, Than (halt worfiip the Lord thy God tnlj^ and thereof we rightly gather, that beecaufc God only is to be worQiipped, therefore wee may not worlhip any crea- ture whacfoeuer, but leaft of all dead and fcnlleflcblockcs df.fer' kji^ wits therefore were not vvildc in the propounding of the argu- ment, but M.Bt/hops honeftie failed in the cclle6ling of it, and that becaufc his wits failed for the anlWering of it. As for his owne termcs I will briefly anfwer him,that MSBex^ is there now where be is free from being touched with the barking offuchdogs,' andthatthey e Rtaei.9.20. hauc the demllfor their wxifier^ to who that belongeth whichi'. lohfi iiithy^They worjhtppeddfuils find idols ofgold(^ of filHer^4i»d.cfMrAJpt ■z.-rltum^f^dllbt andoffioney^nd cfivoidy which neither can fee ^nor heare^mrgo, whicfr u tr^d,d,rAt.P9n- hath no where to bee verified but in thcPopilh Church : and laftly udjliZ "ct'nficu- that they are to be accounted the diuels hcl-hcunds, who haue giucn rw r/i. h»c leg, vt themfclues w holy to the dcuiU, as many of .^. Bijhops holy fathers i Wj^'/.'" *'*'" haue done, and namely for the prcfent* Sylnefier the fecond for the gain ing of the Popedome. j^, W, BisHor. M. Perkins his fourth reafoH. ^ mdn {faith he) mAjbe vforfhipped mth cmill honor ^not with religious^ which is wholj prefcribedin thefirfi table yAndyet the meanefiman tsa more excellent image cfGodthenany pAihtedone. Anfw.c/f VMn mny be worjh/ppedwttb reltgtous honor yin refpeH cfhis fupernAturall gifts y 4s well as with ciuili honor of his natar all properties • t fAft »H.tK., **^ ^^^^ beene before declared: andno other rehgioushonor is either pre- fiS.h fcribedor profcribed i?j the firj} table thefj/uch one/y as is preper to God Bnt {faith he) Thomas <»/ Watering * hoides that the Crmifixe « t» ie aderedmth th^'fttriH honor thAf Chrtft is^Leauing Thomas of Wa- - '" ccring of Images. jj^^ tering W./Wapping/,/Ar«i that M*rHeit\Unfr,ert9tkcpUccof bamt 1 \^^^^of^<^y,mT,thathcf^eakcth{ttk^nmo[^U^,.^^^^ Jobber and Diuim) v^ryprofouKdly, that the tm^ge may bcccnftdcrcd tn ttJeljc,and(Q k'faith,tt is not to be worPjtppedatall,ar as tt doth con uey our mtndvnto that xphtchtt doth re^refcnt: and/o l,cCA»fc th^re if yutone^nd the fame motion of our vnderfiandtn^ ^ wtU towards chnU and the crucifix, we do adore them bcth at once mth the fame aEl ofaL rattonhuttnafar dfere»tdrgree,fir Chrifi wee adore properly as the true god, but the crucfixe accidentalljas athi.gtoynedwith Chr,Fle. ^uenas{/atthhee, expounding him/e/fi) art.4. when one doth h,s ho. ntage vnto the king, he worfhtppeth wtthaU hts purple garment , not that *njwor[h,ptsd'^eto therobe, but the whole ts gtuen vntotheperfcn ^hichcannet be fepcrated from that whtch is (oclofeljicjnedtothepcr-^ finXeuenJotheduitneperfonofChnfl is properly adored, but improperly Mllthtngs conceited tog, ther with tt^re fatd alfo by that deep: do^or to beador.'d.Hz that hach an care of hearing let him iicarc:/cr««rDw- pofe tt/uffiath to inow thnt he ajftgnes veryJmAllworJhip to themjclues, R« Abbot Cj?i. Prr^i«/argueth,tl)attficy which wil worfhip an image of God fliould rather worfhip man then any other image, becaufc the mea- nelt manne is a more excellent image of God then all tiic images of Godand of Saints that are deuifcd by men. And if it bee vnUwftill with religious honor to worlliip a ma,thc much more is it vnlawful to worfhip an image that is made by ma.To this CM.BtJhop M wife \y anfwereth/A^/ 4 ma may be worfitpedwlth fcligwtis honor tn reJpcEt cfhisfupernaturallg.fts. Now we doubt not but iie thinkcth himfelf tohiuciomc fupernsit.'^rall gifts, andishee lb vcrie a naturail as to thinke that wee may fall downe aud worfhippc him in relped of ins ff*perna.tura!s? Cornelius in rcfpe^l of fupernaturall calling and gifts worOiippc th S Peter, & he rcfulcth it,fay ing^ Stand vf, for 1 mjjrlf am a man. S. lohn in rcfpe^ of fupcrnaturaTl gifts worihippcth the ' **' "^- * *• Angell, and he alio difclaimeth it faying, ^ orfhi^^p:.'dvi>ith latria^ that faL'tl'^^fAtTmm '^5 ^^^ woffhip that is due to God. Marke it, gentic Reader, chat Ecdcfi<,,ocn»x, they put the hope offal uation in that CrolTc to wiiich they {^zy, ^U ^Erg^!rHxThfnM''''^^i O Croffe,^c, and therefore do worlhip it mth /atria, with di- eft jfdtrAndaad* uiucand godly wor/liippc, Ad.'Btihcp maketh the matter fome- what daintie with his diftin^^ion o^ properly and vttproperly ; but Thomas like a plaine meaning mannc Ipeaketh dou'ne nght,albcit otherwifeheebeeasfullof diftinftions as any other. As for that which A/. Bijhopfzyethy it is a tale which hec hath learned out of 'BellArmine^ and puttcth it out vndcr Thomas Aqumashis name, but ThomAs himfelfe fayeth nothing to that effed, whole name notwithftanding mull fway more then BelUrmines canne doc . His refblution more largely and dillin^ly fettc downeis this, that rstitiu latriA. Oflmdges, 11^ J fcnaifle r.atr.rt /» c »?aj^(^ii\\h^^mtn f.rerfcm tcvofjhtfihc iqtt^sfwageythefec§y.drriiytke "'l^^ur'^J'/'jiT, Kirgs gatmer.t : but thiy rvojhip hi th Vrtth ihe (erne rporfitip 7fher< fvttb >" 9»<-m»* r.fr*, they fforfljif the Kmghimjelfe, Hcrt is gccd ftuffe, butyct itis i\ii\^^Tullm2',''Z. ^slhemAj hislicadtoulcideuilctofct vp thccroflcto be worflup- d,,f:t^msr;t,m,i pcdIikcaGod. A prctyprcblcnciijght be iroued hereupon, and T/nZ^'tnTrL worthily debated, if there had happened to bee a lowfe in the Pcpcs *"* ♦""'* <•«>•« garment feme what nceicly ioyned to him, when Ihcmas (hould 'r7rir!^''Z'Jlmi' cometo worlTiip him, vs hethcr hec fliould bee fayd to worfhip the ■^"*'"'' '""'' "* Popes low(e,and that with the very lame w crfhip as the Pof c him- TrVr'^'-ir^'i t^# fcltc. It hefKg ioyr:((iw(.rijj0rt to that which is worfliipped, doc put \'^i^^^^'"""' thacthatisioioyncdincaleto becw'orfliippedahke,thcn(urcIy the cu»vinir,u,t*r ^ Popes lowfemuil be wcrlliippedifhe happen to haue one ,as by ^/wV^r i/. the fame rcalon muft alio the vvormes that breede in their rotten ^»<->w«r deipfA' woodden gods. But to spply this to the ci oflc hee faith ; * Jfthen n>e ]ZTJfx^''X fftake cfthe very crojfe whercfi Chrtji was cruafied: we are to wttjhip -^'^i m,i,tfi ^ 4he/ame hoth waies^namilycne vr^yas it refre/eteth thefighre af chrtji "vn^jVuH'mu, exfer/dedvpcn the crojje l another wt^y for touching the mer»ifers]of'"1>"""''" ^'fr*' ^hrijiy ar.djor betngembrped With hts hlond, Hhereypcninboth re- dnfitixtlrjUn fpe^s It is wcr pipped wtth the f\me wnpiip as Chrtfihtmjtlfe^that is, '^;*'^^'j* '" ypiththeworJhtpofUtrta^i^ndtktriforedoeweefpeake and pray to the trschnft,^,',, ' irop as to Chrijl htwjelfe th^. t was crucified, 'But tfweefpeake cfihe ^^"^^f^f ^T^/^"- image of the crcjfe tn ar.y t ther matter, asfione or wccde, or gold, irfil- v-di x u,^ n»d* fier, we ther. wcr/htp the crcjfe, tne/y as the im^ge cfChnfi , wl /t /. we< 'f*^'^l',l'*f'^ worjhtpwtth ihevroi ftjtp cf If.trta, WecJ:eaici before ol/ZrAw^, that &fr,fi„h4c ai' when Hiec found the cioflc whereupon Chrill was crucified, fl^ee 'Zl'aTp'rulT worfliippednotthecrcfle, Uecau/e that (znh ^.mbrofe, hae.becrea ""•'<]>' 4 >pf>.m heathettip? errohr, andavamtycfvtigcdljmen, but flicc v\oi fliippcd 7oU^'^*Zir^J,\% cnely him that died vpoii the trciie, but7"/^cw^;itnic]iatl liucd mJ'i*^''>^<»^i>r'fi> his time , would haue taught her a new point of diuinitic, that in Zlu/.!!',pr*"f,f tworefpc6l£bciCre met.noncd fhce fliould haue wcrfl.ippcd that ''"■"^'""''"^'^«'""» crofle with the veryworOiipofChrift himfelfe,andin cue rcC\"c6i r.trr.cirn,'^!^ cucry crcflc that is made in iLkcnefle cf that crclVc . Thus the ♦""^""«"-'^»r* . Popes ^»»^c//f.7/ Dotfor hath determined : tins ilic Cliurch or f^«t,, ,/,,i„^ Rome hath bclceucd : this the common opinion ohheirdiuinesasjjj'^^'/^*^"^''* I lg6 of Images. wee fee before, hath mamtaincd, and this the people accordingly hauc prafiifcd. Now this can by no mcancs be excufcd of idolatric, for itis idolatrie to giue th: worlliip oi God to that that is norGod. But the croffe is no God, and chereforc it mull needs be idolatry to giue to the crolTe the worlhip ofGod. Of God it is faide as touch- ing diuine honour and worfhip. Him onely thofi{ha/t/cme.'Now AS g.AMi.e»i>tfir. S.^uftmedxzhySlfitwfreJaids of the Father, Himomijithoftjhttk ^un.e^.z t . feffts^ we minht not line this CerMce to the S onnsyor if it were faid of the m*n cxhtbebimu* Sottue, Him onelythmlhMt Jerus^we tntght not giue it to the Fathtr.lt FtiiPfidcPMr, jjjgj^ jjy jj^gfg words vied concerning the Father, there fhouldc bee ftiffnmes:A4t n»H auexccption againlt the bonne, who yet is theiiucly and lubltan- fi'L^iuiJl^' tiall image of the Father, and the fame that the Father is, how much tfi,Et iiuftiiftr- more when it is faid of one God, the Father, 5onnc, 3c holy Ghoft wii,&(, ^^^ onely thou ^ alt feme, are wee to take it for an exception againft a fenlleflc and dead image, that nodiuine worfliippe or feruice bee done vnto it ? BelUrmine therefore after fo many ages, feeing that this can by no mcancs bee acquitted of idolatrie, though hee could not rcformc it in the Church, yet hath fhewed his good will accor- ding to the old manner of the Pagan Philofophers, to falue it in the 4i'/?^/>irtin$. fo as tliaj being cAfefuU to faue the credit or their defpeDjEisrsiS m^s {r B""i-*e»- he callcth him, he fetteth it down;mr-&5>;wzfhisnan:. Albeit to Tunicutv!'/!. ^a/ the truth hce dooth not well accord cither with the one or with «■»;/, &c.q-Aodrt ^ the Other, for whereas hec faith that the Im tgf bering confidirediHit n^mlu!'^*'''*"'* plfeyis not to be worjbipped it all, he coitrarieth Bellafm'met who, as appcirctl) before, artignech a worihip to Images ai they are confide- of Images, I jp^ ted in thiwfelueSt urd tii t cr.t ly as i hty reffe il thiir f rir.cifals, Fc r thcrcft, Thcmas faith indccde, that ^ there is thej(.me maton tfthe. Joule tlvcardcs the Imcge, as tcnardes that whefe Image it «_,whcrcof«r».m*«r^. Mrtl it follow ctli as Okatjter Tijhcp /aiih, thsX thej Are vcerpJiffed bcth at*""'*'" """I'"*' cnce vifh iht/^me ali ofadoraiion But w hcrcas hcc laith that that w-^r,/" i i-*. is tn a far re different defree^I hcmas was Bcucr fo abfurd as to thinkc, jj* '^*|3 '"* ^"^ that in one and the fcltc fame aft there cannc bee a different degree, Qnd therefore abfolutcly conclu Jeth as I hs ue before aUeadgcd, that the fame reutnnce is due to the Image ofChriJie^ andto Chrtfie him" felfe^ Maifter Bi(hop addcth that they adore ChriBe f roper ly as the true Cedy but the cructfixe accidentally as a thing ityned with Chrifle^ but Thomas makcth that a rcalo why the crofle is worfhipped with the very fame worfliippe asChnft himfclfc,* becaufe byrepre/efttA-'^^^'^'^*-*''^-!^ ttcn 9r tcHching it ts vnttcdvr.to Chrtfie^ being in this rc(pc6t much ^Jcnfutulvnitl moreiuftly to bee condemned of idolatnc intlius worfhipping the **''"^" '"/'»* Crofle, tJjcn Nefierius was for worlliipping the folemanhoodeof[*w'.l-J#r*JIJ!J44. Chriftj bccaufc sXhckNeJltrius acknowledged notany fubftantiall-^""'^'""** orperfonallvnion bcctwixtthe godhead and the manhoodc, yet **' hee acknowledged a farre greater vnion then that which ihcmsf adigneih betwixt C hrift and the crofle. And here it were worthic to bee enquired, w hat manner of vnion or coniurfticn this iz that they tell vs of, by what bond it holdeth, what efieftesitworketh whether it be any offering of violence to Chrifte, when the wood- den Roode is rotten and wormc- eaten to hew him in pieces, and caft the fame into the fire, and fo difunite the thinges that were bc« fore vnitcd : But Maiftcr Bijhep fomcwhat rcfolueth vs of this mat- ter, teaching vs to concciue of Chnfte and the crucifixe, as of the King and his purple robe: the wocrftis, that he faith that /;{>^rg himjelfe. io tlien the ma!i*r7S come to iifairc padc, that there is no worfhippc at all due to the Crucifixe, bcccau(c there is none due to the Kiuges robes, and then what is It that wee difputc of all this while ? Hcetdlcthvs, th^tthtwcrpjjppc of the Ktng cannot bee feper^tedfrcm the robe that isfoclofelytoyned to his per f on ^ But what, is tlic Crofle or Cru- cifixc as clofcly ioyned to Chridc as the robe is to the King? Gggg2 If 1198 of Images. If hcc canne make that good, hcc gi ucth vs romc rcafon of falling downs before the croflc : but if Cliritl be in heaucn and the Croflc vponthe carth,then is this apoorc and fuuplc defence of their wror- ihipping the crolle. rhed-ptinepirjaytofChnflyhziiilK is properly rf<^(?r.'^, True,bucthat diuine perfon of Ghnllisin hcaucn and why are they not content to worlliip him properly where hce is ; Why do they vnder a foolifh pretence of a /Cmgs robe,bring in an tmpro- fer worlliippiDgofthat, which being here vpon iheearth^is lo farrc and 16 wholy diiioined from him ? Will not M^^ifhop chinke him cither a fooleoramadmanne, who finding the Popes robes m his Caftlcof5,.^^j^r/»,willkneelcdowne to the robes, and make his rcqucfttothemwhenthePopehimrelfeisinhis Lateran confifto-. ric ? S urcly euen fo muft wee thinkc that they egregioully play the . fooles who ftand babling to a crofl'e here on earth, when their fuitc is to Chcift himfclfc fitting aboue in heauen. Thus wee haue giucQ: him an earc to the hearing ot all this, but wee haue therein heard. whathecfaithout of 3^///5:.r ;.t.7. ftoricallvfcoftheminthc church, yet bee abfolutcly condemned ^'j{,/^* J;, J^"^ the worfhipping of them. 9ereMtis the Bifliop of Maflilia, (ccing tht<]f*<>dfirturnirM people to worQup images, brake ihem and defaced them, (Jregorie]^J^J^^^^^^^^,^ hearing thereof, vrritcth to him thus, ^ It ts lately reported to vs^that m 'jputtm, i*jdi yur brothohocod beholding fome yeorfhi^p't^gimMges^ did hreahe '^^",«^,^,j*-'si,/r«« fame images bewg bclonoir,9 to the churchy arid threyp them away. Attd^'^ ^' ?","'''" 5^* t^deeawe commenaeayoujor hauing a zeale, that nothing made wtth „tqutd mMr,uj*iim hayjdsjhonld be ivcrjhifpmd, but yet we iudge that the images Jhould not 'fj^'J^ll'fa frJl' hafiebeene broken. For therefore are pEJuresv/ed in the churchy that iirttAfdcmtrntif they who are vnlearnedmaj by fight read thofe t hinges at leafi vpon the '^IcZ^'idarcT T/palls which in bookes they cannot reade ^ Tour brotherhood therefore immfuimrtmu. fijouldbothhaueprejeruedthe images t and yet aljo kaue forbidden the"J'^i*^^^^lJ^2l$ temple the worPirpptng of them^ that/otheifnorant mtpht haue whence f'^^"" "> frsit^ to gather the knowledge cj the hijtoryyandthe people rmght not ojftnd tn ^utUgcre mTtdU worflttppini theptHiire. Serenus itfcemeth made fome fcruplcot "'"*"'•? ^'''"'• thatwmchCr.^er/tf wrote to him : whereupon the uxwcGregorte i.v^^iUm f,rHtr0 wrote CO him acainetohke etfetSl as becfore, that 8 heeapproxedhts ^ '^"^''""'i*- ferbtadwg 1 0 hane them wo> /hipped, J?ut did blame him for breaking i, Lot dtb^u, qm^- them. For It ts one things faithhe,/o y*'^^P^ip(if'^i*^c<>i'»^'-'r4/». iTit.Mf. kLciiit.i9 14. SDW.*7,lI. 1,6, W« B 1 S H K^Ik of Images. 1 261 16. W. BisHOf. HdUMf^ nerp anfweredto Allihdt M, VctkmiolfieEieth agMtnft the wcrjhippw^ ofinM^es : Itt vs now examine the rea/i/tf,which he maketh tn defence of tt. The fir f hjhimprefcfedis this 'Pfaime^Z. Caft downc your felucs before his tbotftoole,w/^/f ^ was the <^rke ; ttcvi if the yirke were to he »crjhipped,^ecaufe tt refrefentcd Gtdsfccteficole^ much mere m^j the intd^e he worjbipped. W.Pcrkins dnfrvertth^ that the rverds muft tee englifhedthus , Bow at or before the A Tkc,Ket to the arks, ^*^ ^* Q'*^ heforethe^drke* Reply, If it verefo^yet mufi they Admit that we niufi kKeele,ift er he^ fore images/»we kijeel: tohonourcr pray t§ God: dgeiirfi rrhich,fcme /f. And therefore whcr- zsw^ouMVerkius AH^wtv that they were willed lohov^ at or h'^ ftre the ^rke M, "Bt^^p inferrcth it as tt he admitted, that rvee mftfl kneeU at or b fore images to pray to God) it is a very ^*w//«j which I haue before fTr^X".""'.! fctdowneinthefittS:ction.Buctoputhis argument yctfomwhat ,ni„Lci*Ti,imt, further out otiovnt, it is to bcrcnicmbred whicii Jiath bene betorc p'/"-^'f'"^"^'* notcdjthat the Arkc ovjo^tfoole cjGody whereto the l-'ropiict wil- parUnhM. Ictlttliem to bow,«ras a thing wholy rcnioued out of fight. It ftood in thcinnermoft part of tlie Temple which was S^>'SU Sannorum^ the hw^'ufl cf rf//, vvhithcrithchighPricft oncly went inland that once onely in tlic ycarc, and before which there was a veile or airtainc drawnc, that the Priefts thcmfelucs coming into the holy fUct had no fight of it. Whereby it is manifcft that their boTooingto th^^Arke wasafarre other matter then c^3:t.Ti»r. Thephrafeis one and the lame, and if by the oi.c hee will lay, that tiiey were to worfliip the Arke , tlicn by the other alio hee muft fay I204 of Images that tbcy were to worfiiip the mouncaine.lf the latter do not prouc the worfliipping of the mountaine,then the former doth not prouc the worihipping of the Arke. And indeedc the phrafc imporceth no othcr,bucaswearcwontto lay, tokneeleto the Eaft, that is to- wards the Eaft: or to hft vp his eyes to heauen,that is towards hea- ucnrand they ace thereby taught to bend and dire^ themlelues in their woriliip and deuotion towards mount Sion and the arke and Temple feated thereupon, as the place where the Lord had promi- fcd to dwcll,& fro thence to hcare their prayers when they fliould call vpon him. Which they were not oncly to do when they were prefent or neeare at handjbutalfo when they wcreremoucd turthcr off. 1 hus Solomon prayeth for them,*' be'tnggone om to batu II /igainft •fci.King.S.44. ^^^^^ eMcmies^vhen they Jhal fray t§vi>ards the city which thtu hajtch&- fe»,andt0ivariisthc hfiufewhich 1 hane bfif/tfcr thy name^ theuheare VerAS. thouinheauen their prayer,Sobcin^^captifiejtft their enemies Uttd^ T»hen they jhall pray towards the Latt4 which thtngaueji vwto their fA-^ then yAHdtowards the city which thou hajlchoferty and the hm/e which J haue bniltfor thyKome^then heare then their f ray, r and fupplicati- on &c. Thus Daniedin the captiuity of Babylon, though both the city and Temple were deftroycd for the time, yet bccaufc of the promire of God:'' This is my rejifor euerjhere willl dwell fcr 1 haue Dan.eao. a dehgh: theretn therefore did ^fet cpenhts chamber window towards lerHjalem^and kneeling vpen his knees three times a day prayed and pray fed (y o^.This was their kneeling to the arke and to mount Sio, and M, 'Btfhop in arguing hereupon, that tll||bworihipped the Arke, dealcth as abfurdly as the Pagans did of old with the Cliri- "/TfJiwJL"'' ftians, who becaulcthe Chnftians "^ prayed to or towards the E^fi, trcdunxDtii nojiru thoughc they woifliippcd the Sunne, and gauc out that they made ^Hod'iJJHer,'* the Snnne thrir God, The Chnftians worlhipped Chrift onely in n*i Adorur.tu bcndiug thcmfclues towards the Eaft, and fo tiic faitl^lull Icwes in bending or bowng towards the Arke, inrended the worlhip cf God onely, and therefore a fenflelTe pare it is to alledge thofe wordesofthe Prophet for the defence of the worfliip ofPopifli idols. And if they would prouc the worihipping of any thing therebVjOr the praying at or before any thing,it fhouldbethcwor* ftiipping and praying before that that was prefigured by the Temple and the Arke, The Temple oneway was a figure of hea- uen. kPfal.I ;;.!-(. 'Tegtinemp-Ci An of Images, \iQ.?-Jf- fe^tey Scbyhis prcfencc the Angels alfo actende vpon vs ' beit/g ^* ^poiSeTC mimfirwgjpirksfentfotrthforthctrfAkes thAtJhail behetres cffdua- ^ ®"* *«-- tion. Now therefore M.Bifbop fhould rather proue by the Prophets '"°' * words our kneclngin our prayers before a taithfull man, orwor- '^* ''*' (hipping a faithfuli man, then our kneeling before an hTiage,or worshipping an Image, andific bee ablurd thereby to affirme the worftiipping of a liumg man in whom Goddwelleth , niuch more the wor (hipping of a dead and Icnlleflc blocke, which hath no fel- lowfhip with God, Yeaandifby thofe words it were warranted to fee vp die image ofdead men, and CO worfhip them, what was the caufe that the le wes concciued not fo much J Why were they with out that heavenly Jhew as M*Bf/hcp in the hcightof hiseanh- ly wifedomc callcth it ?Iftlieyneuer concciued it, neucr pradhfcd it, what fliall wee but take them for couftncrs & decciucrs,who ot- fer this violence to the Scriptures, and moit impudently wreft the to the maintenance of that filthincflcand abhommation which ex- prclly they condemne ? But yet t^!aj}er Btl^jop tclleth vs, that it is •therwife very euident^ that the IfraeUtes vrerjhippcd the ^rke And how I pray you ? Ftrfl^ none bnt th: high Pnefi might come in- to the olace where ts wot. Well, and what then? It wot earned b$ fore the cAmpe vnth great folemnttie to fear ch out a refitng pUce ffir the whole hoaft. True, and what more ? fVhen they were tc fight agahifl the Vhiltfttnsythey had great confidence m the prefeme ^the^rke. There was great caufc why they fliouldfo, carrying them?-- i2o6f C^flmAges, thcmfclucsrcfp^ftfuUy towards Godibccaufc it'wastlw token that God had giucn dasm of his prefencc amongrt thcmilet vs hcarc the rcfl.F»f/*> thcufand of the Beijofamttes yverejlaiwftrfeeitig the ^Ark^, Ic IS true in deed that tor looking into the Arkcfo manyot the were llaincris there any thingyet behmdSO^i^ was hj/ Cjodfmitten toJeath fortOHchtngthe^rkc, Well and what of all this? both not till thts corm'tnce in what uutreKce t he cdrke yvas had cuen by Cjedso-pune te^i^ monie \ As if to proue Af. Btfhoft to bee a profound Clcarke, a man fhould fay: He hath learned a lutlc Rhctorickc, and [Idle Logickc, and isferfiltum a Do6lor of Diuinity,andp^r inopiant a Priclt, and doth not all this conuinee that he hath fome learning? Witlellc ca- uillcr,is there any thingin all thofe allegations that importcth the worfhippingotthc Arkef Nay marke (gentle Rcader)that where- as he propoundeth to proue , that the ^rke rvds wor/hipped he ma- keth his conclufion, that ^^ArkebecaHfeofthe Cherubtms^ asifvvorfhip were performed properly to the Cherubims, whereas * hj the lawee of %M>fes of Images. J 207 tJitofes, Kt Origen faith, rowcrfhtp wasdor.eto thf,yl:(> b ihem- fclues^ and much leflc to the Chcrubiuis vvlii«.h rtprdciitcd the Angels, i'lie word vmeran whidi liierom" vfcJi, ailcit ic bcc of- ten vlcrJ for woriliippc and Icruicc done to Cjod, ) ci is o: lo f;rpc fign:ficanon, a.v mar it i> yccldcd to all cho'c chingcj to wliicli wcc ycclct any rcucrendand dutifullrciped Su doti. « S^.tr.t ^4t-fi.d.i,:h the word of the rcucrcncc that we vfc to tlic iJacranu-nts nor one- V"^ V;"^ • • ly the Lords bu[>pcr, but alio the Sacramcut ol-Baptiinic. So doth ^^^^r^rr'cniJL ^ ^rnbrofe fay, that " Mraham^^mT vencratw.i to th.- I'm^d ^W^/^'ri'S"* ri>i'e which CMehhifedecbro^ightf>.rthy and wc luppolc /Vf^-/ler'Bt'"'^*'^"''f'}"'f- Jhjp IS not fo f arrc gone as to lay that wee worlliippc the i>atranicnt '^.u itl'ZVrn^ ofBiptifmc, orthat^^rrf/7«?/wuorniipped tiic hrcadc and wine. ''-^"*'"*"/"'/"f Thus tiiercfore Hiereme faith, that the ic wcs Iiaddc a reucrc nd re - 'tTLt'/r'Zl^''' garde ofthe SAM^jfifj^orumy but of rchgious woriliip as done to " ^'"^"/^'V' It, hce faith nothing, and much lefl'c dreamed olany religious wor-j'V/rlJ'g.'ww-*' fhippeto be done to idols and images, which Jiauc no inllitution ''"J'^'[r *'"'•***■ rrom (jod as the Sanct!tp.)tct9r(tmh2iQ» But tohelpc this ;ir^umcnt »'r*XHi Mctgit, C^fatfi^rBtJhop further alledgcth, that S/twt PauUfittth, that lacck bj faith adored th: toppe §f hts/onne loffphs rod, Sp do th the Gruke text of Saint Vanlefay, faith lie, 4s Erafmns alfo tranfi^eth it. And further headdcth. The TroteJi^Mts pittfulljmangie the text to Auoide thepUce. Butlanfwcrhim, that the Prorertants doe ice them to bee in a pititull cafe, who hazard tlieir foules vppon a religion that isfaineto vie fuch pitiful! arguments for the defence ot it. For howfocucr it were graunted, that Ucob torcfccing by 1 aitli the king- dome that Hiould bcefall to lojeph in his (onnc Ephraim, did m to- ken thereof make an obcifance to the rod or Iccptcr that w as in /o- fiphs liand, or that hee yeclded that obeiiance or adoration in rcf- l>ct\cfIofephs prelentautlioruie vnder Vharao, yet ahacllioulJc this bee to ihe worf hipping of Images ? \\ ce know tht^iad.rat^tn orrvo}Jh:p ciiiill/ vndcrltocd isgiucn to Princes. Abraham ^ ^^^'"''^ y f thij J^j** i\\c Pnnces ofthe Hittitcs. The lU^chiQ^i^xci^iM^tch^uecdredtr ' ' ' * w yjhtpped th • Lcrd,AKdth:Hthe kjttg^ namely , king Dautd \iLu*b yccldcd (he like adoration as to tlie kingdomc and power of Ins fonnc J.ffph , either prefcnt or to come, as loinc C jreckc V'N'ritcrs expound It, whatiuhis, I fay,tot!ic won I uppmgol Images /"But as touching tills niiXicr Hteiom: faith vpoii.ihc ^ lace in Gcntfls vvhcnccL l2oS Of Images, whence thofc w6rdcs (eeme to bee taken/ In this place fome vainelj l^lTG^cn'^l'thL tmaf^ine^thatlacoh adored or T»or(hipfedthcto]>pe cflofcfhsfceptery to iuo futdawfri*- jy^^^ flrj^t honoHTPJg htsjomic bee adored or yforjhipped hts power craU' rli'ucT^-ti^s thoritis, whereas m the Hebrew it isreadjarre ctherwiJe.^.rJlfraeU umfuptriioft^h yygfjhjppcilftiDPsrdes theJteds head, tneamitg^ that after his Jomehad c'aAmfiimm,f,tc- fwome vnto htftf^ bemg mwfecure as teuching the requej} that he hadde (r^tens e:tuAdor»' ^^^^^ ^^jg y^^^ ^g worptipped Qod towards the beds headpor the hclie li-di maUt Aiittr dtuout man being nowe opprejfed with old age ^ had his bedfofet as that ^L^^T'^!utZt " thepjhton ofhts lying might without diffeuliie jeelde him readjnejfe to adc'iputhnuh, pray, i Ivushowioeuer^. Si|/''<'^cauill and wrangle, ytiHierome 12!:^^rIlL pbinely rclbluctb, that ic was God oncly and nothing clfc that la- fiUmfecHrutdtf,- C(7^ vvoflhippcd, and thcrcfofc Tcadcth in his tianllationthus, that ';;3'3' when lofeph^ hadfworne,lfraellworJhtppe4the Lord.turninghtmfelf ocumcnXTAcA- fg fiyg ^^^f head,Now the Hebrew text being manifcftly againfthim, ^L''^%^pf%iZ hetakethvponhimtovrgethcGreekctextofS. Ta^^le, affirming d///j^//y mangle the text to auctde theplace^ ifldtSrufZl butthePapiftcspitifbliytoUowa tjanllation apparently falfe, that Demmun'ruiMtr- the tfxt may Icemc toinakcfor tliC'Thc wordsai'e ^f oo-exwvuo-eiv W Mt^ '' '^"^ '"" TO a)Cf ov T>J5 ^d^^ov ivTov, he wcrjhippcdvpcn the top efhisJiaffe,ov as wc more plamciy exprcfl'c ir, leaning vpon hisjlaffe. By whidi words the Scptuagint tranllatcd the woordcs o['Mo/es bcctore mentioned- ifmellworfhifpedvp J« or tcwardes the beds heady their tranllation in Grammcr conftru6bon fully anfvvering the wordes ofthe Hebrew, but that for wrV/^^Aj abedoy co^ich^ they fecme to haue tranflated mattehy which Cgnificth a faffe or a rob, making it by addition of a FronounCy his Jlaffe or his rod, or for fome fpeciallreafon thereto moouing them, thought good in (lead of the one, to take the figni- fication ofthe other, being of the fame dcriuation, Sc no diiferencc betwixtthcm in writing, but onely by the vowels, thereby toex- prcfic that lacob being very aged and weakc, and keeping his beddc vfcdthehclpcofaftaBetoftayhimfelfeashe worfhipped vpon his bcd,or towards his beds head. Thus they tranflated,vpponwhat confidcration wc know not, but fo fts that they nothing preiudice that of Images, 1209 that which U^/^/r/faithjbccaufc both may well ftand together, tliat hcvl'edallalfecorellvpon, and that fo doing hce worlhippcU to- wards the beds liead. And that they tkcrincxprefled a truth,thoiigh notfct downc by Mofes words, yet othcrwile rccciued or coricdtu- red, wee fully and ccrtainely belecue, bcecaiile the lioly Lj hoil hath thus ci':ed the wordcs according to tlicir tranllatJon, oblcruuigthc lame courle as commonly we lee tlie ApolUes and Euangclilles do in their citations from the old tedameiit, who To long as the place retaineth from the originall that for which chey cite it, and ccntai- ncth no vntruch/orbearc not to vie the tranllation which was com- monly rccciued and vfed,though haply otlicrwife it do not exa6^1y accord with the fame originall Hebrew text. Nowc tiic matter for which the Apoille citcth thofc woordcs, Itandcth in that tiiat it is faydj//w/ lacoh yvor^ipped^he giuing tiicreby to vndcrllandjtha: U- cob by faith fo fully relied allured of that which vppon the promilc of God hcc hadjbcleeued, as that he worlliipped and praylcd God, as if he haddc then feene and cnioycd the performance and accom- plifhrncnt tiicreof. This therefore bccing cxprelly dchuered in the text, as the Septuagint hauc tranilatcd it, he makcth no quclbon of the other woordes, though they bee not exaftly forting with that which Aiojes hath fct downc«But here the matter of quellion is ccn ccrning the tranllatingof that tranllation. M. 3t{hop tcllcth vs,that we Ihould tranllatc thus, ^yifidhe( laccb)wcy^ippedthe tepoff:ts(zhAt is, eflofephs) rod, and affirmcth that fo it is in the ^recke text, Wc deny it, and fay that that tranllation is falfe, beccaule it wlioly lea- ucth out the Prepofition iyi't in the Grccke, anfwerable to the Pre- pofition^w/i/ which is vfcd in the Hebrew, thcrcbcemgno jrcbabi- iitic or likelihood of rcafon, why they lliould fo doc. f he Hebrew Prepofition^wrf/amongft other fignifications importcth nt^vpcn, nsare to, totvurds, oner aj^^tfjJi.TUe word rffch fignificth the he^a^ ths top , the htgheji or v?pcrmDJi parte of a thing* Symmdchts thcrctoii.* tranllatcth the Hebrew words, 17t\ xi^9t.Aw$ t«5 rCh!in:, vptn the beds hfad.^quili thus,e7ri tS ixp^ rkc, x.\ivvg,zipo or at the top or v:p: rmcj} p.irt cfthe i;ed,Zi if a man would lay, vp»n hispsiUwAt the beds head, Harome in Latinc, as wee fee bcefore, irand.iteth one where connu caput ItUtilt^ oHtragAmfihii bedshe.id ; ^\\0l\\cx \\\\zxc^conucr]Hs ad caput lei^Hlty turwni^towArdes the heddes hcude. Accordingly the Septuagint though difTering in the (Ignification of the Idftwoordcj ycttranllate the former, inlr'aav-^oy^ a fr vpon the top,. bi^«;.f«G«r, l2lo of Images » . up^e. And of their tranflation S. ^Aufime mcntionctli diucrs tranf* ^!^j^i6»r' latjons into Latinc, allexprcflingthc Prcpofirion, '" if^p^rcapuf virgA vciin capite^ft^e tn cacumine velfufer cacumen^ ^t cr vpoft the tofpe. Seeing therefore chcy will make vie of the Prcpolition m tranllatmgfrom Hebrew intoGreckc and Latine,and from Greckc into Latine,what rcafon fliould vvc hauc intranflatingfrcm Greckc into Englifh to negle6^ the fame Prepofition as it it v\ ere net there at all ? They all agree thus farre ; He T»orJhtppedat, vpon^ towards the heado- the toppe, and therefore teach vs tb dildaimc them that fay, be w0rfhippedthetoppe,Novf then becaufcthe Grcekc woorde /cc|2Jo9 lignificth ^jiAffe, and better fittcth to the former woordes, then to tranllite it a rod, therefore wee tranllatc the wordeSjH-r rvorJhtppiA^ n^imely, God^ vpon the toppe ofhisjiajfej that is, as wee fay to cxpreflc the meaning more plainely, leamng vpon hisjiaf^e* Hec worlhippcd God inclining or bowing towardes the ftaffe which hee haddc in his hand, rcfting himfclfevpon it, and ftaying himfelfe thereby. And that (j^i. Btfhop may know that we arc not the deuifcrs of this tranf- lation,- let him vndcrftand that the old Syriackc Interpreter, asap xTnmti.verfex jpeATctli by Tremeliius^ tranflated in the lame fort : '^ jidor^ffft/ft- JntHA. f \.ti- ' ffi" ft*tnmtta,te bacultftii :he rverjhtpped vpon the toppe ofhisji^.ffe. So drhi»d»rtt \n Gin jheodoret expounding Gcncfis according to the Septuagint, albeit ^'L'c-Aiommuya hcc rcfcrrc the adoration to lefeph m both refpeftes before memio- /fni wr""^^ 4 ncd, which we hauc feenc before tIiatH/ themeam^gis very h^.f.j,:iF.m fUtM^thatthfoUmanldcth carrying cr hcHUing a rcdwfuch/ortM'"""'^""'"^^*""* '>ldagciiVor:tt9doaJiAJfe,4ihci,cwcdhimfclf'f>rti tnftgne efhtsfonnes power, vhcre the figure ef a great matter to come 1i,Z^m^t,1dZ Tvasfore^ewcd. 1 iius eucry way Saint ^u^m ciiallengeth the ado- '^'"" ^ i^^ttm ration and worfliip to God,and teachcth vs, that if it bee fpoken of rl«''fwrJ!X /*/rf^/rod,yct it fhall import that /rffo^ hauingin his hand the rod '"^'^''*'»'^*^- crlccpterjormacejwmchwasthecnljgnc of lofephs authonriein/»/'«;'«d.lj.r6. f'^fi &laji dtyes ofthefeafi ofEaflerbel * c^thevefimentsofTrieJij* • E»oi 1 1. J .2. becauji they are dedicated and employed to holy vfes ; euenji Imxget which are made in honour of God and his Saints^ and trcHed to imut «tnAteach vs to embrace heauenly courfif, R.Abbot. Theplacewhere Mofes floodvouholy ,dayetwere calledholyy the Vrtejis vejlments were holy ^theref ore ImAges are holy dndmttfi be war- Jhipped. The Sunnc fhines in the colchoufe, and the Moone in the Multard pot^thcrcfore all CM Xi/hops wit licth in his left clbow«Do theft men deferuc any other but fcornc and contempt, who bring vs rcafons in no other fort,then,as if they were outright either mad or drunkci' What is the medias termiyius ( I marucU) that (hould c6- ito<'h^*>,jni0f.h$m ucy holincflc to linages from tliofe tliinos which hec mentioneth? 6 Per feipfn^ ntn ,' . - " n l it •tir't /• sr^tUcJpm^M. The place where Mofesjtooawas h3ly,z% Origen rightly laithj* not of Sit l«»i^iT *^f'^f^l ^^^ beeaufe the p^e fence of God hadfanUtfed the placeyM3u' f■t''„t,^Oi'n•i^ Jhop faith, it was not God b4t ah ^nrelly but hec fpcakcth therein '^''^^^'""'''"'••faKclyandignorantly. It was rfn ^»^r^ indeed, but it was* the » ^«»i. • . f . ^ngellor msffenger of the L ords ciuena '4nt^ the Captaine of the lards '^ 5'^ ^ M • ki^^i the fecond Pcrfon in Trioitic , th c S oniie of God , vfually tcr- Oflrmges, ,2f^ termed An ^ngell'm thofc apparitions, bccaufe hec tookc vpon him the office of an ^ngellj to doc the mciTagcs of the Godhead vmo men, <: ^urely^fmh Enfebins) it is not Urpfnllto thinly y thM the appa^ raioHsofGiddeliHeredmholy Scriptures, Are tehee Attr$bntedto the iL'^islni'rtli infer ieur Angels whtch minijler vnto Ged. Therefore he expoundcth «^ ^'/•"""Iw * ihcm,andnameIy,thisto^*/i'/as' ^ntbrofe alfodoth oiQhti^tt^JS'JlniZ the 5'onne of God, and prooucth by the very plaine text, that tlic '"''"* " """/*'■" Angcll there mentioned was God; d ^hen the Lord faw thatO^o.^ni^^.tT'^^''^' fes tftmeddjide to fee, CedcalUdvnto him out of the rmddefl efthe bufh *^"^''-"' ''/'••'«? fajingy Mofes, tMfes I And he anjwered, 1 4m here. Then hefujd^ %^M,yfin!fitri^ Come not hither, put cffthj fheoes from thjfeete^ fer the place where Z'^sutH^'liu thiufiAudefi is holy ground.Moreouer hefnjd^ I am the CedefthyFd' ciiHi" thers, the God efidbraham, &c. Then Mofes hidhisface,f§r he was \ a?7 J^ afraide toleoke vpon God, thus ^the AngellfpeakjnitoUifolesinthe hufhy as S* Steuen tcrmcth him,is called by our Sauiour CHRIST ^ G»d/peakiy}g to iJHofes in the hhjb* I did amifTe therefore to tcrme f Mar.ij t§. M, Btjhop ignorant in this bcehalfe, for hec could not but knowe the matter ; 1 fhould rather haue termed him impudent, that to make an aiuantage and yet nothing woorth, would contradi6^ that whic h the Scripture fb cxpreflcly faith. As for dayes dwy were ap- pointed by God to bee holy in rcfpcft of being applyed to holy vfc, bu c that thofc dayes were called worjhtffull^xi is but M. 'Btflsops de« uicc, bcccaufe he would liaue vs to take him for a worfhipfuU wife men. So the vcrtimcnts of the Pricfts were holy, becAufe^x^ lie (aith, thty were dediCAted and empUyed to holy vfes. Let all thcfc thingcs be taken for graunccd, as they are: but what of all this to die holineffc oflmagcs? Surely we doc not know, but they may as well conclude thatthe Popes excrements are holy, the paringcs ofhis nailcs, and thepoUingcs ofhis head, or whatlbcucr other filch orfoolcriethey will commend ro vs. No marucll if there were that holinefl'cin the g FrAn:ifc4nFri'irs wccJe, as that men dcfircd as a matrcr oFg» cat g ^^j* H,!];m^, fafegardto bee buried cliere.n : or that the Francifcans brccclics /t'/^-n""*"' fliould be of great vcrcue to yccld women fpccdy trauellj for daics and veftimcnts of old were holy, and the place where Mofes floodc was holy ground . But it is further to be obfcrucd, that tiiougli all thofc things which LMajier Btjhep namcth were holy, yctnoncof them is found to haucbccnc worfhippcd. Mofcs did notworjlup the holy ground. The Ki-aehtes did notworihip the holy dayes, Hhhh a oor 1 214 of Images, nor the Prieftes gartnentes « The temple was holy, the altar was holy, the offerings were holy, the Prieftcs were holy, and many other thinges, and yet they worlhipped none of them : how then come we here totlic worihippingotlmagcsi'Wcll, wemuftlearnc it our fclucs if we can, Maiiier Btjhop can lay no more then hce hath done. But it (hould be very ftrangc, th« we ihould fee more there- in then the church ofthelcwes could eucrfceithey read and knew x>^/if ''""*'' a'^thofc thinges to be holy which J^^/^^rr^gz/i&o^ nameth, and yet Smefi-^dachru tlicy could ttcucr finde the worfhipping of Images, He tcllech vs of uHlt%'u['fiT t^^c Cherubims which God commaundcdtobccfettewholyoutof unUA.'f^tteSicm fight, Or wcrc vfcd as the pi6lures of Lions, and BuUes, and Flow- *^ltTiT/AT ^"' ^^^ Tfccs for the garniOiing of the workes of the temple i Tcrtd..Af>i». and the fafhion whereof no man doth knowe, as before was (aydc, 'f/r't)^»l7m^eM^ but what was the rcafon that knowing thofc Scriptures whereof tHmHierHf4Um wec fpcalce, they could neuer light vpon ^Mai^eritpjtps heanenly 'uj^ilmajJflt* fi*^^ of the Images of dead menne? •» Varro the heathen Romane al- fiec^Ujidu lud^i . leadgeth them for example, that religion is more purely and holily n%wUHmd!hp. obfcrucd without Images. TertnlHan mentioneth out oUCorneUm n!'^*?!''^"''^' Tacitus^ that when f'ompej ouercamc the lewes, and » entredint^ KPhtUdelt'ttt. 1 rr' t I r y / • t- - I f t "dc^hm.NMum thf lempleto vter* the jscretesQj their reltgton hee found no Ima^e *t'fi7n'tccnit'!Zi ^^'^"'^' ^^^% ^grippx tellcth Migft/a,that in it k there was moI- i>tpr»p*tHia. ff^^g^t neithsrfecretlynorofenlyy in rcfpef^ whereof beeingftriftly Vm7e^!'s^„on ^'oldcn as a poynt of their religion, he diflTwadeth the hrx^t^aligHU »pirah,^m»'r. from attempting to fet vppc his Image therein ashe went about ta T'7tc4^'&£'Z'4 ^^' C^''^^«-<' ^lex^ndrintis faith, th;it ^ the letves worjhippedytot mem Ujinea.&iapiitx vif^ork,esofgoldy0fha(feyoffil!*ery ofluorte,ofvfoodandfisnft nmmely^ t*m'i}!!!!Zd>rJ^t"' f^^ifff^g^^ofdead^efi, which mtnvpo-t vaine perfivafioitwfrjhippedf fift^itehra.qus ItHt did hoUly lift vp the'vrhAnd;itohi4,'4e^^ This^he lewcspraftifed, I'mtHrlbhlmm't'. this thcy moft rcligloully obftrucd, and what fhould bee the rcafon iZ'ulfZ^d ^^ ^^^^^^^y ^^^^^ Scriptures which CH tfier 'Bifhop alledgeth, doe make *is glad to ftiirc any \vay,and fctccth foorch fliadowes andghortestomakcfliew of armed and fighting mzvi^M,BtJh$f^ laith that Ai' Verktfts anfwcr had bene preuentcd, if the argument had bene well propofed, but now that hec hath propofcd it, what dothitcontaincbuconelya begging of that to bee graunted him which is denied in M. 'Perkins anfwer^ The thing that hee fliould hatteprouedisjthatthcrcisa like refpeol of religious worfhip to Saints,as of ciuill rcuercnceto Princes,and hec onely affirmethit, but reafon he hath none. But to take fuch ftuffe as lie bringeth v$> firftjWC tell him that the chaire of eft Ate is not bowed vnto for that it refrefenteth the Vrinsey as he very idcly and fondly dreameth , but for that it is the Princes lcate,it b eing hold en for a matter of prince- ly maicrtie, that there bee a reuerencc performed to thofc things wliich Icrue in (peciall manner for the Princes vfe. In which fort at the Princes table , though the Prince not y ct come vnto it , yet the feruiceisdoncvponthekneej as with bowing and obcifance alfo. at the tables ofinfcriour States, where we fuppofc ALB/ftfop is not fo madde as to thinke that cither the meat , ot the table > or any thing clfe doth represent themin refpeft of whome this duty is per- formed* On the other ildc, no fuch duty is done to the Princes i- mage,bccau(c it is not a matter of the Prmccs vfc , and if wc fliould lee oii. Bififop kneeling to it , wc ihould cither thinke hjm drunke, ©r uke him for a foole.No argument therefore can be drawne from the honour done to Princes, to approue the honour that is done to> Saints^ becaufe in that kind wherein it is required to be done to Saints, it i j abfurd and ridiculous to bee done to Princes, Yea cJJ/. 'Bt/hop may as well conclude,that the Saints fliould haue their cloth of (lace, and carry fcepters in their hands, and that ourLadythe Quccne of heauen,as they call her, fliould haue Ladies to bcarc vp her traine, becaufe Kings and Queenes haue lo, as that wee arc therefore to kneelc to Saints images , becaufe wee kneelc to the cloth of ftate. Wcll,yec MafterBiJhop ^tcllah v^thztaitemporail Ifanour is due to a tempartdl. Vnnee^fo reUgiotts a:id ^tritHAll hononr h d*e vnto jpirituall and moft holy pirfoitAges, But vaincly and ab- furdly : for how fliould his proportiion ftand , when hec putceth ]Pfinc€Sonthconefide,andfubic6^s on the other? Lethimfayas h^ fliould Cay , Astcoiporall honour is due to a temporall Princc,^ £o^ Oflmdges. ,217 (band much more religious and fpirituall honour is due to him> who rpiritually, and in way of rchgion is our Soucraignc and Prince. Ifhccanproouc, that the Saints are appointed to bee fpi- ritually our Kings and Soueraigne Lords, he faith lomcwhatrother- wifc his proportion halccth, and goeth fo lame, as that it cannot Carrie him whither he would fame goc. He telleth vs, that thej new raigneinheaHetti butwee anfwerehim, that tlicy raigne, and arc ^#«^/fpirituaiIyinheauen, byhauingaviftoricand triumph oucr their fpirituall enemies, not by hauing a dominion and Soueraign- tic ouer vs. Wee are taught to acknowledge the Saints and Am- gels for our * brethren andfellow^ftruants^ wIk) beecaufe they arc »Rf".6 11.&9. no other, therefore will not take vpon them to be our Lordes,nci- '*^* thcrcannc wee without offence tender our fcruiceand deuotion to them. Therefore S* ^ujiine faith, as we haue fecne before, ^ Wtt \>^ugM vtr*fn honour them net bjferuice^ but by lout', they Are to bee hsnoured by imt' ''X"/'-5 J •/*?• tatioM, net to bee worfljtpped bj religion, A nd of the A ngclles Ortgtn laith, ^9X^ thisisitthatgAtneth thetrfauourtovSy andmak^ththemcti'fil''.".Hic„^. Tfvilliyigly to do ailthtngesfor vs^ when they fee vs we/ZafeBedtowardes *• -^»?'/«/«« Codf And that yifee embrace hit Sonne Icfus Christ firimKgdai/y to ]',„vtiZml!^» ftorve more and mere to the krotvUdge ofhimy but no man may dare to '"^!'J^'*'^^'T** offer his frajers but onelj to the Lord God,>T(f>hois abundantly fujfict-J^m^r^lDcLm, tntfcr all^ by cur Sauiour the Sonne c/God, Now therefore as fer- ^ Xnium!^" Hants and fubieils tochcirfcUow-fcruants and fubie6ts yeelde affc-/-vff.w«r,<^c.fM ftion and Icuc, but none Icttcth vp to other a royall throne to ho- ''''^""" 'nd,aU nour them as Princes, 10 wee giue our loueandancttiontothe f** *-r.£ffW# Saints, wee tcftifie and commend their vertucs, wee by before vs il'J,',,^,'!^"/,"^', their good example, wee acknowledge theirbhlle, weedefircand//*''^**'''"^/* lon^ for the fruition of their companie : bur we make tlicm not our JC7/>>ri^/7 Ipirituall Princes and Soueraignes ; and therefore we giue tJicm no *'^s,Tm*<>, Juticorferuice of religion, which is the royaltiecf God, knowing ^'/"" that they wculdc hide their faces, and exceedingly abhoi re to haue the fame offered vnto them. And hereby we fee licwc iditly M,B. goeth on in his talc,tliat asgoodfubicEis trjltfie their UyAltie at d nffe- Sfion to-iv^rdfs the Trince^ by horourtag the regall throne^ jo geed (^hrtfii.'.ns g-ur tejfimorii of their duettfidl (fi-maticn ard cicHO't m tovcardcs thofe hsare; ly cr eat ires by gii^trrg honour vi to their Im g s. For neither haue we tlie conditio of liibicf^s in rcfpect of the Saints, ncyther doc wee owe any fuch deuotion or ducty to them, r.< ithcr Hhhh-j !-i'- orin I2l% Of Images. haue the images that are fette vppe in their names that Reference yp them, as the royali throne hath to the Prince. We honor the chairc ofeftatCjbecaufc of the Princes vfe thcrof for maieftic and lVate:but feeing che Saints ; ar&in heauen, wliac haue they to doevyichbloc- kifli idois here on earth, or if they were vpon thcearth, v whatylc ftiould they haue of them ? And therefore it is an idle and fond que- ftion which he askcth, yfihy weeyeeldnot cmlireMrence to the refrc" fentations of Gods Sttints^ajwell At to thejhadoKves offemUr mAteHte, bccaufe we haue no ciuill conuerfation with the Saints, as we haue with Princes, ncy thcr is there any ciuill vfe of thofc coyntcrfeic I- dols, as there is of the Princes chaire of ftatc. Neither are we thcre^ ioTt fallen out with the-SaintSy as hee vaiacly cauiUeth,but rather we labour to be, and hope to be the fame that they arc* And becaufe we hope fo to be, and arc neither fo impious nor fo foolifh, as to think that men hercafccr^fhould fct v p Idols to v^ to worll?ip vs thereby , therefere we hold it for impietic and folly to vfe anie fuch fupcrfti- tion to the images of the Saints* As for Princes though they hetjiif fuUmtHy yet we haue learned of Ghrift concerning ^tva^^togiue 4 M*t,»i. M. ^^ Q^fa.r thetlmgt that ure Cafarsy and as they are vnto vs the Iha- do wes of the maieftic qf God,fo to giue v?ito them ciuilly fome fha- dowes of the bdnoiiE that belongech vnto God. < , ip* W.BisHOP. ■.:'noi3itlsba:5 3rjo! :;:: ,r? M P.makfsath/fdpo/Kt ofdifferenccy th^trvfem^ynot.'tV^rJhipGod m Mrffuch image in vbich he hath appearedvnto men. In this we doe Hot differ, vfilejfe he ial^s it othervptfi the he deliuereth if, Thoje images wee holdmore reueredthenanj other i, as reprefentattons nearer apfroching vnt's th^ Diuinny^et hecaufe they do not exprcjfe the Deitie, God is not dfreSilyapprehemed^orrvorfhippediMthemf bm onelj by .colle^ion^ at for example: The forme ofagrjtue old man in Daniel, doth not reprefint Gods per fonjbnt we gather by that auncient forme Gods eternity ^ wher- bywe arifetoa moreperfeHcoceit ofGod,whowe adore'.now »ther imm- tesofChnfi and his Saint t^ doe caryourmindes dire^ly vpon thetr. -pmr perperfony whome in their images wee adore andwor/hippo after tbfiir degree. But rve worfhip images with farre m^a^er reuerencs thenaHip of the SaitttSy its regard onely^ that they do reprefint fnchperfonageSyand doe Wre making the^gold^ttCalfe to reprefe'trhis ^ '^'J*^' Y* ^'' falfe God^and'4ttrib*tti'/tg their delmerance vntd that fupfofed God^and • j , De n«. not vnto the God of Ifrae /, committed idolatries ivhtch the text prooueth y *°^ ?noftmantfef},thde be tliy Gods that brought thcc out of Egypt.M, Perkins anfwereth^ that the meaning ts nothing elfe-^but that the golden Calfe rvas aftgne oftheprefence of the tftte ^od'.ftchgtojj'es rotthout aH^ Autkoritie of the atinctent Futhcrsis tidtculoUs^ being againfi the plaint text : but faith he,tve mufi not thinly th^fo madias to taks <* ^^if' made rvith their eare-rings to be their (fod^ nc : but we may rvellthinke them Jo vngratefull vnto the true ^od their deliuerer,'that they did afcrtbe their dcliKieraKre not to him, but vnto tbaig^e^v^li thtj^gyftMnifertfed, whofepourtraiturertf as thaf Calfe, ■'-> ~ - io-ii.!:'suo.'>jc»i oiVA.-*' O' It is one fpcciall faculty that men attajoc vnto by Rptnini lear- ftingjthat they arc a ble at any time by a 3 jftrn6iioixtt3 ifitickc God ♦ Let God fay vvliat he will, they willfay tlic conri'at'^^/ .indyct by'a diftinftion they will make it good. God commaundcd his pcopfc that they fhould make fio manner * figurey •rforni^\drif^^g<'i^'^^^^- ^ by to reprcfcnt or worfhip him. Accordingly thie faithful! obfcrucdj lrhl'jt\x4t.M-m v-try.mm any mranmgto(ccvp an image vnto God. They dedicaccd" Their ,^^,ju„i,D„f,M temple vito God without any inutqe^ faith Thtlo.Thomas .^qmrM lafth ^i'*'S^V*- oftliat time of the old teftamenr, thaf^ to the tr:fe God bt u:g incorpo- f^^f„t j. rallorivithnutbody.yioccrporAllor bodily image might, brfct vp,Sc ^°'j-''!;*^','l'^^ thatpumofe citeth out oiD-wuReny that // // a tcmt ^f extr^imffol^ fxt ,nc»rf,r,Hi n^ ^' f . ' • i . ■ . '- liKeTfrMuim*- nttnU DttttfAUiu til htmt,o»tt(i in jut tnm^int(trf*r*U*i*r*ri. I220 of Images. Ijandimfietytofigurpthat thAtis dtuincy and therefore in the ncwe teftamcnc approucth no image of God, buc^ Godwas ma.de munne, that is , tlic images of Chrift. So M. Bijhofs Nicenc fathers, albcic tliev were idolaters as well as .^^tt«»^/and i^Amafcen, yet they con- Ueaincd the makingof images to the godheadjas before Iiath beenc ihcwed,and approucd oncly the images of Chnft.and ofthcSaints, M.BiJbof now telleth vs that they were aU fooles, and made a nee^- Icflc fcruple for want of the knowledge of his diftiu6lion:for though ^od hnvtdireBljtoke apprehended or wotjhipped in an im^^gf^ J'^^y eoUeSion he may^ as bj the forme ofagraue eld man yoe gather Gods r- ternitj^ faith hee, Andtherdj arife t§ a more petfeB conceipt efGody Tfvhome wee adore. Thus for want of his learning they wanted the meanes to arife to the more perfc6t conceipt of God , becaufc they feared to pi6lurc God in the forme of a graue old man. But I hauc A Stii.^.if. 7. ^ before ihe wed that this impious dreamc of his accordeth with tlic eonceipts of proplianc Philolophers, who did not thinke that their images did or could exprcfic the deity, but they vfed them onely as fteps, whence l;y colUBien they might afcend to the contemplation of the diuincpower.lt hath bene there alfo declared, that itis who- ly wicked and vnlawfull in any fignification or meaning to take vp- on vs by an image to rcprefent God» Whereas hce fccketh out of 'Daniel to approue this forme ofagraue old man i he dealeth lewdly tDtn.7.§, therein, Danielthcrc faith of« the^Auncient ef day esjhis garment tvat rfihite as fnovf^ & the haire of his head like the pure wooll,but oiagrauc eld man hce (aith nothing. Of our S auiour Chriftc appearing to S, /c^» it is alfi)faidc, ^ His head andhis haire ve ere -white as r^hitevpooll andasfnow : and will C^. 'Btfiop be fo fond hereupon,asto pi6turc our 5auiour Chrift like a graue oldman ? Old age alfo importeth not eternity, as he fancieth,but rather decaying & dccliningrand there- fore is very vnfitto fignifie the inBnite being of the cuerlartingGod But leaujng that to the wifedome of God, why hee Jiath thought good thusor thus to appearc to men, we hearken to his commaun- dement, who faith that in the giuing of the law hee appcarcch in no likencfTe, becaufe he would haue no im?gc or likeiieilc (ci vp vnto liim . Wee follow alfo the example and pra6^ire of rhe f aithfull pco* pie of God, who albeit they did reade of thefe apparitions of God> yet neuer durft prefume thereuppon to make anie Image, whence they might by coMion arife to the more pcrre6t conceipt of him , As nteHci.1.14. Oflmxges, 1221 As touching their worfliipping of the Images of Chriftc and hii Saints, and that by vainc pretences thdybedtow vpon Saints and their Images tlic worfbppcduetoGodoncIy, enough hath beenc already iaid. So Iiath it bccnc alfo plaincly declared alrcadic, that i the Krachtes in worfhipping their golden Calues, intended to 8SuprfS««.j. worfliippc the true God, and Maiftcr5//l&<7^j aflcrtion that they meant jEhereby ro worfliippc the God of the Egyptians, is but vp- on his owne wordcjand ihcrctore we rcieft it as a drcamc* BelUr- mitiem this matter waucth too and fro, hecfawcthe tructh plaincly enough, and therefore is forced to confcfPe, that ^ tt ts net vnhl^ly h B,iu,:,m u rvhichl^wVxsSi^m^ Caictan, andother •{ their writers fay, that a \"''f:^"f"f' > may bee Aomttted tha% ttie'^aticDt Aibaind*iai.\v;liOiri being dcadxhey foi- tiiat caiife apadiJtkMndni h©noiirvjd^a8 ^ Oodibr: rieafons diucrliy, «dmcQ;urcd5 naming him ^'^;Z^J:: Sp^is.iSt!^t^ix<^mp)pm%fdShm,. tioV madefpceiali choifcof 6««^to««M ^r* aif(ifri4l| ofthebcncfitt ftjrwhwtl m£'n5:^tfJ!m t4wy. hbnosirediiimi tfBecaufc men arc fpecially iuftained and fed by ftitutm,a Miphu thcIaboucx>fthc Oxc^ The ^fraelitcs at that time in more miracu- irjijiS^. lous manncr,rcceiued the lifccbencfit at the hands of their God.He 'f^\ *?n<:»/- fej chcmf wit^i Manna from hcaiwn > v>»hen they hadde no meancs at ^' ""^' "* all to prauidcxiTcmftiucs 5'read«i' i>^<^.<* 5. \ l^^^j^^Q^f^^pfjf^fgfrfattSi of/Jhhe "Gc'dydfthe E^yptiAfiSi- ■ Heno-» teth out oiVarro, that he was called Scrapes ofthe cojjin wherein hee w.is h^iri&d, being worfhipped in his coffin before any Temple was built for him ; % the ^x)fe'^t)ecing in Grtfeke 00 fo^ which being ad' ded byway of (iompoiitloii to J>4p*s, made S crafts, and by change ofa letter was tuKwd to Serapit^ He laith that it was decrecdj that HO of Images. 1 22 2 -no mdn vptnjfaine of death fbouldfaj that he rv4s a manne^ and that in all temples where Jfts and he were wor (hipped, t herejioode an imaqe at the dore which hadde the finger lated to ths mittth^ as rec^uirinq^filence th.-it no m.injh yuldfaj that thej were mcnn: who were there wor [hipped. He addctlij chat" the E^ptians daintily kspt andfed the bnllocke tn the n ;//, i„^mtm honour of ^ pis or Serapts, but that they cookc Serapis their God to '""''•*''' ^-""f-** be hke a blacke calfe with wliitc fpots, neitlicr he,nor 7>//y, nor any ,n7Il'r!^.^'Z other cuer imagined, till M» 'Bijhop by a rnilchance lighted vpon it 'j|v W/^*"""**" in a dreame. lulk'^w.^'*' 20, W. Bl SHOP. Bnt now hfore we end this ^uejiion^ I muft Ittjou vnderjli^ndwhat worthy men they were thatfirfi beganne to wage battellagainji Images I they were r/jr/r^v^j-iw/^fir Talmud. Ord.i.tra6t,/.dilt.2.5'^''"^« vi».v«* wc fee all framed to Poetical! manner of fpcaking, and may eafily i'.l'ji'xTZalj^ percciuc that the Author intendcth no more, but that becliolJhig '"'""•-"H '"- by the fpirituall contemplation and meditation of faith, the hitter- 'll'rlte ***lT"^d""' y*'orp}ippedAsifJhchadfeerjethe Lord there hangmgheforevs* Hee dtmmum 'etrntut telleth vs that flic worlTiippedjbut he doth not tell vs that flic wor- ^dtrAbat. fliippcd the Crofle. The prelent conceipt of the place was amo- tiuevnto h cr there to fall downe to worfhip Chrifte in hcaucn, but ofworfhipping the crolTe there is nothing fayde there, much Icflc ofanythingthatfhoulde induce vstothc worfliippingofMaifter li fiiiron adTipar Bifhops Imagcs. Nav tHerome faitli, ^ Wee ivorjhip neither Sunrje^ n«r Mdu.VtgiUnt.Ne jUffone , ror xAnqels^ mr xArchanqelis nor Cherubim ^ nor Seraphintynor filtTn qutdem & / . J- /• tj • / /J 4-1 i»n*m,neii ^ngt Ahj name that ts named tn tbts wortdey or tn the yforlae to come* 1 lie ^\uTn*'^ch!ru' words cited vnderthe name of 3^/, canhaue no more credit then iim'tmn*r,omri they haue who arc the reporters of them, which is none at all, ^tsji^uficZ, Thcyarealleadgedoutofthefecondc Nicene Councell, and the irtnfMtHrocou- GounccU it felte is brought as a witncfle of the worlhipping of '*'^"'*''"''**'**' Images, buthowebafe account is to bee made of that Councell Ihauebecforegiuentovnderftandeinanfwer of theEpiftle. Al- beit that thou maicft, gentle Reader, more particularly vndcr- ftande the trueth of that cenfure, it (hall not bee amiffc fome- what further to note the originalland proceflc of the fayde Coun- cclL It hath beene beeforc fhewed, that in the time of G'r<'^«r/> i^agnus Bilhop of Rome, which was about fixe hundred yeares after Chrifte, Serenus the Bilhop ot Mafiilia feeing the peo- ple to worfhippe the Images in the Church, in great zcale brake the Images in peeces, and threw them out of the Church, that there might bee no cccafion there left of any fuch abhomination, gregory Chriir of Images. 1227 (/f/^t^rfr hereupon wrote to SereftttSy and though heediiliked his breaking of chcin,yct comcndcd him in that hcc could not endure the worlhipping ot thcm.l his was then the dodnne of the Church of Komcjthat howloeuer Images might be vfedhjftorically tor re- membrance, yet by nomeancsmightmcn pcrformcdcuotion or worfliip to them.Butwhilrtvnder pretence of that hiftoricall vfc theyatuinedto high and honourable place in the Church, and were gloriouily fct foorth as great ornaments thereof, Satan here- by tickled the tancic ot the people, and bred in them an itching hu- mour ofdamnableiuperdition, which grew more and more, tilll- dolatry was openly pra6lifed by the worfliippe of them, and tl)« Birtiop of Rome, who before had giuen lentence to the contrary, became the mame champion to fight for the maintenance ot this abure*This weiind to haue come to pafle about an hu odred yeares or very little more after the time of Gregory ^ at which time the Emperors of Conftatinople with the moft of their Bifhops,mighti- ly, oppofed themlelues agaicil this new deuotion , and by their e- di6^$caaled Images wholly to be defaced and abandoned out of the Churchci»The purluit of which caufe when ' Lto IfaurHs verie 'J^'f'!^'^^ eameitly foUowed, Gregcry xhtkaond fwaruingfrothe ftepsof the P4MimDUc$n. d» former C^rf^ffrjr jtookevpon him*^ to excommunicate the Emperor fl^.^gf*'*'^* •and all that tooke part with him in deftroying of Images. Gregory k z»»«r^w.^ tbc third his fucceflour went further and aflcmbleda Councellat 'J'„']|,;„2«"r* J! Bomc, and there decreed the worfhipp of Images , and hauing^»^'»*"-^«- rodone,renowned the former excommunication, & added thereto a fenccnce of depriiiation, and by rebellion and trcafon found the mcanes to alienate from the Emperour whatfoeuer there was then in Italy remaining to him^gainft that Romanecounccll ' ('onftaH- j ^^^^ ,^,^^ Unus Copronymusihc^otioi Leo about the ycarcofour Lord 7/3-. jij^#r>.«<..75j. affcmbltdac Conftantinoplc a Councell of the taftcrne Bifhops to the number of three hundred and thirtie, winch wholy determi- ned sgainlltlic worlhippingof Images , thinking alfo the vfc of tlwnun any (brt to becnotonclyvnneccflary, but alcogctI)cr rn- lawtiill and contrary :o the word of God, The dctclfation that tlwy had conceiued of the impious and wicked abufc, made them for the auokling thereof to prohibite that vfc which was lawtuli, asamaodcfirousto make a crooked rod ftraight,bcnocch it too farrcthe other way . But this detefmination of that CounccU 1 lii aiP"" I22S Ofmxges, appcafcd not that contention , the humor of fiipcrftition being reltlcircandcndlctfc , ncucr ccafing 'ii it bcc able toftirrc,tiIl ic gaincllrcngchforthcvphouldingotitfclfc. So it was, that to iLr^ the fonnc of Cwfiantims Copronymus was marled Irene a proud, and wicked woman^w ho vpon the death of her husband , abufing. thcminoricyofher Ibnne, tooke vpon her lelfc the goiicrncment. of the Empire, and being of a wQinanilliafFe6lion dehghtcdwith. babies,aboucfoure and tliirtieycarcs after that Counceil of Con-- ilaatinoplc that generation of Bifhops being in a manner quitp: «p«->f.f#»»wr, worceoijt,.™ fhe. commauudech another CouiifjeJl in .the lame 787!7st'""" place , the Bjflbops by that time being well fitted for the doing of tiiat which flic defired to haue effefted. The caule of their afl'cmbi/ being pubhkcl): know ne, namely that it was for the bringing in, agiinc ofthcworlTiipping^ of Images ,the people of Conftantmo* pie gathered thcmfclues together , and threatened ta do fomc vio- knee to them if they fliould conclude any fuch matter . Thi* fcarc hindcreth them from proceedmg according to that they had purpofed > and hereupon Irene difl'olued that meetingfor thaft time, and the next yeare after caufed the fame to bee renewed a8 Kicc in Bithynia , where the firft great and famous CpunccII was houldenagainfte^m/ theheredcke vndct Ccnflannne thcgueat.' But wee may here caHly conceiueagreat difference in couric of proceeding betwixt that former and this latter Councell . The form:r Councell continued for the fpace of three yearcs and more, longtime and dehberation being taken for debating and difcu^ iing.ta the full points ofqucftion that fliouldbee decided in, ir^ This latter continued but oncly twentic dayes, being begun 8. kalend. 06^ob. and^beingended.3* Id. O^lob. fo that they ^eme to haue before determined what to conclude, and fotnQ otiiercaufc met together but onely to fay what they had deter* mined* The Prefident of this Councell who managed the whde budnes thereof was one TharAfmt , who of a courtier and a fouldi* our, contrarie to the canons of the Church, was made Bilhop and Patriarch of Coftflantiftop/e, a man verie vnfitand vnwoor* thie for fuch a place* According to the weakeneffe of the head was tlie proceeding and behauiour of the whole bodie > wickedly ^uling^^the Scriptures, wieltin^ and pcrucrting the fcnceaces of Images. J 229 cfche Fathers : no rcafon fo foolifh but tliey admire it, nolyc fo grorie but they applauJe it, nothing there rcadc vndcr the name of any famous author, but it is certaincly true ; no man may fpcakc againftit. Tlic firft aftion bccin| fpcnt in rccciuing of penitents, who were a remainder of the tormcrCounccU, and nowfor keeping of their places recanted what they had there faydc, they come in the fcconde to tlic reading of the letters of^Adrian Bifnop of Rome, which bccing done, they all profcffe their con-* lent to tliat which he wrote, and fo an end. In thofc letters hec fin- eularIyabufethOw/?4«^w'tening him they were no gods, but feruants and Difciples of Chrift, caufed their Images to bee brought fborth, which when hec {aw, hee fayed, thefc are they whom lOtwe in that viHon : fan ex- cellent skill in the Image-maker, that hce could light foiudvppon thevifagesof them that uerc dead almoft three hundred yeares before : ) that hereupon ConHarjtine was baptized at Rome, and • reftored to his healtli, and did Icttc vppe manic goodly Images 'ofChriftand his Saints in the Cliurchcs there. With this raoll impudent and fhamelcflc forgerie, (b plaincly contradi6^cd by « £»/?^/«/hisrtorieof the lifeof C<7>»7?^«//«^, hy^ ^mbrcfe, by t Euftk. Jt t^4 « Hicrtmejoy ^ %ocrates ^hy ' Throdtret.hy *" S#-«wr»,vviio all declare ^';^^'"''*' thatCo»/?/»»/<». I. cAf. f tf. faith that luliuf the (ccond*fcer »;lueftec w*jBi(hop "'oTRomejtth* time of thcNfceneCouocellr which btiag fo, Sylaeft«r uiuft be« J*iiH it le*ft iliiriceo* ' jrcarcsbcfbreConftirKinewubaptiTcd. I i i i a makctn 12 5© oflmms. makctb his onfct for images, & then proccedcth to the contamina- tingand prophaningof the .fcripcurcs, alleadging that God made mannc accordmg to his Image^ as ifthercupon ic ihould conccrnc vs to make images and worfbippe them : ih^tKoe ^nd^ i>rah/tm letvp alcars vnto God : that y^r^^ erected a ftone, and powred oilc ypo it, & called it Gods houfc ; that tlie lame Ucol; worshipped vpoti the toppc of his rod, as if worlhipping ol Images were to bee prooued by examples of hauing no Images to worlhippe.'that Mo^ h Si irrstMcum f^^ ^adc the Brazen lerpent and the Cherubims, and •» tf, faycth. fofniitmper wjpt hCythcfeopit oflfrAelwere fduedfrem their plague by lookmg vppon the fintUfiZZ'Im'M brdfeftferfenty doe weedonbt but that wee an fan. d beeholdtttg And fuMfeftecrtdimut j^orjhfppmg the Images of^hhfie Mid of aU the SMftts ? as it there fi'jSur'uZpt'^ were the like reafon of that which G O Din one kinde for fpeciall tmniMnj; funa*- caufc commaundcth, and that which in another kinde manne of his umfuZo !*vtnt ownelicad fondly prcfumcth without God. Forfurtlicrproofcs \m(if't!l?""" hccitcthoutofthePfalmes, » Confajfton and beduty are before hml iPfai.gj.Yuiga. ^ Lorde I htthe ioued the b^AUty^fthy hohfe, and the place •ftheta^ fpfS* »*«.*??. ^rnacle ofthygleriei ' LMyface hath fought after thee ^ thy face Lird: inPraI,4.4„i*4.. »/// I fee^e I •" The rich of the people Jhall m^^ks their fuppHcation nPftI,4.7». beefirt thy face \^ OLord^ the light of thy countenance tsfealedvppoHi vs. Can we hold him for other then a giaue and reuerend Prelate,, that couldc difputcfo.fubftantially, fo wifely, fo learnedly for the .worf hipping of Xmage& / May not wee bee taken forblinde buX" zardes, that cannot fee the fame fufBciently prooued and war«. ranted by thefe texts : or rather arc we not to take him for a le wde cofincr and peruertcr of Gods woorde, who would tlius dctort and^ wreft the Scripti^res to that whereto tliey giue no Icmblancc o£t approbation or liking ? As hce dealeth witi) the Scriptures^ fo doth , he with the Fathers.Hcealledgcch amongeft otliers one place vnder,. the name oiBitfily in which the words are which M. 'B^Jhop here ci-. tcth, whicli yet is ccrtaine to haue becnc written by anothera long, »c»njitttrdfndt time after the dcathof ^-^y*^. Amogft other words there arc thefe."* / ■^""f/jwrr^r ^^^'S' ^^^^ Aiary,who brought forth Chrt/ according to iheflejh, caU . miminumptpcnt ltnghsr( Deiparam) the mother ofGodiwhich there is no ma foblind : ^M^''''*'^*" ^^^ '^^^'^ ^^^^^ ^^^^y ^^^ purpofely fct down agamll the Neftorian he- refie and that witliout doubt after the time of the Ephcfinc couccll when tliac name oiT^eipara was firft publikely auouched to the Churches vfe, wliich was holden about ;o* ycares after Bafts time^. of Images. 12 J I Yea and it was yet long after that alfo before thefe words were wricccn,inaJmuch as the re IS affirmed the worfhipping ot images, whereas there is no example of the worHiipping of images tnea to bee found in any Cliurch tliroughout the whole world. Some otlicr of the Fathers hee handleth in the fame fort, citmg them all cither falily or impertinently, whileft either hee imputethtothcm that which they neucr wrote j or impudently forceth to the gracing of the worfhipping of images, that wiiich they (pake onely of the hiftoricall and ciuill vfe. Yet vpon thefe filly grounds the Councell proceedeth , and they profelTe their belcefe to bee p Acccrdtngtothe pc^njtsnt.mMis ten§Hrof^tirMniletters^erfeUy rpoYlhiffingimagesS2\^ Eltoi Cre- [Z'T^TrZT ten^s, and I pronounce afi4thJf*fi*'>th»' ^ 1 recetHe»emhrace andh*no$trthemi fmb Stauratius the Bifliop of J^'^/a2{7/^ Chalccdon,4rf^buMi chrijn that thinke Qtherrvtje . See here the worthy companie diM/Bifhops ^E',J,':fni*aitM learned menjmuchrefpeding what the grounds and proofcs were "/"^-'"•j'"*'*^* that they would conclude vpon . I n the third action after tiic re- «; -«4ffc,w-f.t#. cciuing of feme other penitents , they readc the communicatorie ^,^r'an!'i7i''i7r letters of Thdrdftus, lately before chofen Patrarch of Conftanti- 6 h,n,r,'viimt nople,to the Patriarchs and Bifhops of Antiochand Hierufalcm, Zl^^^.ZZumfliL and their anfwers to hiifi , wlierein they fignifie their confent utntaMMkm*' to the worfhipping of images. For proofe they care not} it is e- "^** nough to fay they profeflc it, and the reft of that a6l is nothing but voyccs of approbation of that which they fay . In the fourth aftion they fall roundly to their buflneflc, and bring foorthtl-cir proofcs, fuch as they haue ,and happie is hee that can bring f cor: h a place that but Ipeaketh of an image j that is argument good c- nough for the worlhipping of them . Firft bccaule liicy would haueitknownc that they had a Bible amongft them, they bring it foorth , and tlicre they rcade fbme few places out of Exo- dus, Numbers and Ezcchicl concerning the making of Chc- rubims, to which they addc the place to the Hcbrcwcs men- tioning "^ thi Cheruhims of glorie cucrjhAdowing th.' mrcie-fe^te ,, j^ _ Hereupon Th-r^fjus giucth this worthie oblcruation, * Let vs r ^,..«-..Wfi*# market th^-t hecduje the eld Teftum(nt hud dtuine fgy^es, the new hath "^'/'"j^ j'L. frcmthi'KCe ttiken the Cheruhtms cf ghrie cfuerir.g the mercie-fente: fur^Jx-i-Mwri the whole .Jynod anfwering, Veite right ^ ft the trtahts indeed, t^i^/ltwrl' irdtaUprtfiii4t$rimf.SdnB* Syntdm dixit, T^tSi dtmint, "t tji verittu. liii S A nil Ofjmnges, A coaipanie ofrer)'' wife men, that could not fee that the nevr Te* ftanienc no otberwifefpeakcth of the Cherubims then as of a mat^ ter pertaining to the oli, and therefore what fhould hence bcga- , . thered for auouchins images in the newf Tharafins aocth yet tur- tttrahahMttchf thet,'^ IftheeldleJtamenthadCberubtnscoHermg ths mercte-jeatet rt^im »i>Hmbra!iA ^^ ^//^ ypiHijuue theimxoe ofChrifi and his ho'y mother, and the Samts ties qutqM imAi;,. to oHcrPjAdow oHr alt ATS, What IS a gcnclc man but his plea(ure?/fV mtsitfHChrm ct yy ^^^^ . ^jj J jj jj j^q^ ^ (^q^. rggfon tiwc bccaufc Mfffes let vp two f4na»rumj,h*hf CheruDiais in the tabernacle out or all mens light laueLliclugh ^STru!"^'"^'"^" Prierts once a yeare , and which wee do not find that euer any man did worlliip, therefore wee Oiould let vp the images of Chriit and of dead men for all men to looke vpon, and that they may fall downe before them and worfhip them? They are Ibone weary of Scriptures,and to the Fathers they goj they bring out of Chryfojiom that the people much delighted and affeftcd to haue the pidure of ^tf/tafit(uv,a thit a'^eh vnbeleefe, Thtj who thus handled th^t tmagey were infideles, 'iiiflcdaZtTc ^**'^ therefore aftgne "was giaen them of God by the image. Thjirafius dentibMddt^tfmt, knew well enough that there were no miracles done by their Ima- dZcvil'j^Zt gcsj but yet this could not (lop the mouches of them that came thi- HiMurnqni ima- thcr prepared to tell lies. Therefore anone out they come with fuch rril/iX^'gl' other like talcs of bloud ifluing out of the Images and rehques of dtc*mf»ft£nitmii. ]vlartyrs, of a man molefted and vexed by the deuill, with whom ^ftrt^tnem'^** thedcuiU Conditioned totroublc him no more, (b that hec would giue ouer worlhipping the iii^ge of our Ladie : of a man cured of , ^ a fiftula in his thigh by praying to the Images of Csfmds and Drf- mianusy the fame Saints commmg to him that night and our Ladie m the middeft, faying to them, See: here is th: man^ helpe himforth* •with*, of another who hauingdhe piftures oiCofmasV^di DAmianus in waxc, could therewith cure the tooth-ach or anie other payncs : of another who beeing fodainly taken with an extreame fickencfie and painc, applied to the place where he was pained the image of Chrill, and was by and by rellored : of a Goldfmich, who at tlic re- queft oiNeanias made a crollc, vppOTi which when it was let vppc, there became miraculoully wrought three piftures, and ouer them three names written in Hebrcwe, Emmmneliti the middeft, and onthetwondesc^ir^4f/andC?7«/ uasin thetimeof C^^«r/fi«j-focxprclly coiuradiited. This Leontitts to feruciiis turnc, openly fairificth and belyeth the Scriptures, affirming that .Jo/i^wy^ in the building of the Temple let vppe in it the Images of men, and that £^c7;;Hchodoftof0r that hee tooke away the Chcrabims out of the temple of Icrufale,and oiSimetn the Eremit,complainingtothe Eaipcror /«/?/««/ the yongcr concerning the j*araantans fpoiling a Church, and with indignitie defacing the Images that were found in it, whicli, what doc they appcrtame to the worfhipping of Ima- ges ? Then tiiey bringm tcftimonics of no authoritie, the parties being of latter time and intcrefted in this quarrell, as of one lohn Biftiop ofTheflalonica, taking vpon himtofatisfieaPagan, and of LeontiHS before [fpoken of anlwering the lew coneerning the meaning of their worfhipping of Images, without any proote that it is lawfull fo to doc. Indcedc plaine it is that the worfhipping of I- mages was afcandalland barre both to thcjPagans and levvcs to hin dcr them from admitting the Chriftian faith. They could not dif. fwadetheidolatrie of the Pagans, beecaufe they themfelues chan- ging tlie perfons did the like. They could not perfwade the le wes ofthe truth of Chriftian religion, beecaufe they knewe well that to worihippe an image is a thing condemned by Gods commaunde- ment. But from tlicnce they proceed to calumniate them that im- pugned images, firft for citing Apocryphal writings,as the lournals iff the ^poHles, and of menne vnfou nd in the faith,as £«/r^/«/;and fccondly for taking part with euil dilpofed men, as Xtnaiaa and Sc uerHs^ asif it (hould bee any hinderance to the truth that fomctimes vpon occalioneuill men bcecome defenders thereof : and thirdly for defacing fuch bookcs as hadde bene not longbceforc written for defence cf luch idolatrie, wherein whatfbeuer they did, they did ic hy iuft grieuance and caudon againft tlieincrcale and growth of this abhominaiion. Nowe this beeing but a Imiftcr and indircft courfe, backe they goe againc to their trumpc, that is, to miracles, and as if it had bccnc lome perRime to fwceten the roome, they tell againe the tale of the dcuili promifing noc to trouble a manne itlicc wouldforbcare to vvorOiippt the imi^.ge of our Ladic : another ofa woman who being, greatly gneued atthe cL,irge$ that ilic liad bcche at in the digging ofa well and could get no warer, fawe one ccmc to her in her iiccpc, who willed her to get the image of one Jheodo- /wan Abbot, whic?il:eing letdowne into the well, the water flo- wed abuadandy ; aiu .l.erofanfireiiute, whobccingfometimes of Images, 1237 to goc from his cauc, would pray to the image of our Ladic tliat his candle might co.ntinuc burning till his commmgagainc, and that going fomctimes for tw9 or three moncths, fomctimcsforfiueor i\\< nioncths, he found it burning in tlic fame fore as he lett it. No inaruell ifchcy could fcant hold ac the hearing of thclc ftories, and therefore they hereupon fall to curling them that condemned the worlhipping of images, and fo an end tor that time, rhc fixt a6^ion was tl]c reading ot an anfwer formally penned againll the a6hs o£ "tlic former Councellof Conilantincplc againft Images, tlieexa^ mination whcrcot, becaafe it would be too long, I Icauc t o the Rea- der, though w hat It IS may well bee efteemed by their proceedings Iiitherto. I'he Icucnch felTion which is the laft^containcth the ^^'' nodicall definition of the Councell for Images to bee worfliippcd, and their fubfcripiions thereto, with their certificate tlicrcof to thcEmpcrourCo«/?/;»riA;^'and his mother /rs f,j ^^^^^ aUreie^id as vojd^:^ that it Jhof:ld neither be called the feuenth n6r of Images, j.,^ nor dny thwg elje. So faith Regino alfo concerning tlic fame counccll « Thef^lfe^yr.odofthe Greekeswhich they had C4uJedforihe roorfjiio^ « ar»y.X'V'<-. ftng of Images^ tvoj reteEied by the Btfhops there. The afts of this coun- JL^"'";3i** cell were pubhfhcd m a bookc vnder the name oiCh.irUs imiilclfc G'rV,i^m^4m as hath bene before faid, and a copy thereof was /cnt to ^idnan ihl^^^LT'-t^t'^* Billiopoi: Ronic.who to the Nicenc coucell had bin one ofthc great ^"'"^*^'*'""'*^ maiilcrs for the vvorlhipping of Images. Hee poore man playing the '^' parte of an ^bhreniatory taking out of the bookc wJ»at he [ii\, and as hce hit, takcth vppon iiim to write an anfwer to it, fonie parte whereof is (till to be Iccneadioyned to that' NiceneCounccIJ, but *cc,:„ium.xt- it isfopinflillan anfwer, as may well giue vs tovndcrfhnd whans tcZlViCi to bee choughtofthe whole matter. S;»r/w the Friar /awe io much very well, but he handlbmely to colour the matter faith ; <^ fvhi/efl '^ SHrw^.i.U' ctrnmenlytf the vn.'ktlf nil Reader hee may fe erne not fitly enough to an- dumvlTfJl af fvfcr hts adder far icsy hee as it were heeing about a>:othcrm^.tttr fcour- 'J! *^'*'^i'^':' "' t(th them not My. This was a Friarly dcuice,to make the vnskilfull I'a.ul'idJ^^ftV elecuc that there are fome deep mylleries in Adrians words which '^f,'//^ 'ZV^* ' cuer)' man cannot fee, whereas any wife man may fee that his an- i'i'i^'l'i"^h^* (wers are moft putideand fliamefuU, and verie vnfitting indcede,as hee faith, to thofe things which he would feeme to anlwcr. There- fore in finecJ^. Bi/hopj defence of his image-idolatne is fuch as can giue no wife man any luft fatisfa6^on for the approujngot it, ToDcnor^tJhop, Thus iJM3ifhop , I liaue taken paines to giue the Reader a tafi of the marroWy and a feeling Qi the pith of your mary Urge volumes. Wherein if my opinion deceiue mec not, hce will rindc bv raft (o little fweetnes,and by feeling lo little llrength, as that hee will take you cither for a filly and iniudicious man,whoare your fclfc abu/cd - or forawilfuU and wicked cofiner, that fecke to abulc others with fucii bafe and deceitfuil Ihilfe. To touch the reputatio of your ludgc mcnt and learning, I know fhould be as the hjndhng ofa (orc,vcry orciuoustoyourklfc, andoffcnfiuc toycurfellowcsaid fcduced followers, whom you haue wonne 1 know not by whar meanci lo greatly toadmirc you. Therefore I will not hecre qucllion vour learning, let it be what it is thought to be: it can be no prcKidcc to the truth, oncly I exliort you to fake heed that you bee not fouid with that learning that you hauc to fight wilfully agjiurt God. Yctt. ittUCc 1240 Oflmdges. hauc giucn fhrcwd tokens in fundry places of your bookc,ofa very malicious and wicked heartc, lomctimes wittingly and purpofdy calumniating your aduerfaric by faifc imputations of laying what hcciaithnot, fomctiracs guilefully concealing for your ad uantagc many things which he doth fayrdiflcmbling allegations and autho- rities which you could not anfwer,and anlwcring other fome with- out euer looking what the authors-fay. I know the biindc eatcth many a fly,and they who know nothing to the contrary haue taken your arguments and anfwersforpregnant and very furc, and your booke hath gone for a great oracle amongft them* But furely hcc chat aduifedly weigheth the courfc and manner thereof, will cafily imagine that in very many places you hadde one within you ro teil you tiiat you did but patch, and palter, and fhift, and dc/pcratly lliut your eyes againlt the Ughtthat moft cleercly fliincd vnto you ^ It may doubcleflc be faid of you which S. ^Aufiin confefTctJi othim- feifc whilcrtheewas intangled with the herelie of the Manichecj, « ^wufi i* '^^3t yo^ ' dpfropte the things rehkhyoft haue beenc tauojjtfor trtie^ nqt w««t. Mimehcwi hecanJeyoH ki^owy but hecaufejoH yvi(h them ft to bee^ Beware M.Bi"^ f^^vi^c^mi (^tf/'jof doing any thing prefumptuoully in tliis bchalfe. Remember ^cirtnt miru quL {^ixi that laid , '^" It is hdrd for thee to kjcke a^ainfl thefrkkes^ By bca« ^"LTckJmjid" ting your felfc againft the rocke, you doe but harme your felte : the wltl !%'*''" ^*" rocke fhallneuer be remoued. Giuegloric toGodbyacknowlcd^ !^fliln2.''"^* gingthctruethof God, the breath whereof hath already blownc fA&sttA^. downe the towers of Babel : tlie found whereof as of the Lordef trumpet hath caft downe the walles of Icricho, and there is a curfc ^ . cut of the ^ MUefT*; [nare of the cieu'tll ofrvhom they are hoUtn to dee his will. i"ubmit your » l.Tun.2. itifc to that truth which you fee, 1 fay you fee, that you are not able to refift.I fpcake not,I confcflc, as vpon any opinion or hope that I hauc to preuailc witli you. I know a dry ftickc ncuer bendeth till it breake, andlfcareyouarc more dry then that wee may lookc for any bending of you. I pray God 1 may haue occafion to fay that icwasbutafalfe fcarc, but if not, yctthcfcv^oordesofmincfhall fcruc hereafter for witncfTe betwixt God and you,and therefore for conclufion I fay to you as Cyprian faid to FUrenttus:^ Tou haue ^ cyfntn i*,^ myvpritin^^ 4ndlhaue yours : at the ddjefifidcement tf'fi.gH^stu -\ kothpmhe recited before the trwunall 1^ . m i„ minq L »«*tf«fi y FINIS. ■r^' *#{.ff'i7. y^7^ ,'.*<<>' A. c^ ^. f^i J^c^i^^ ^ ,> %