t m ytr^ :^:.z- 7) i*r iv ,U. l> Naked Popery; OR, THE NAKED FALSHOOD Of a Book called the CATHOLICK NAKED TRVTH, OR THE Puritan Convert to Apoftolical Chriftianity ; Written by W. H. Opening their Fundamental Errour of Unwritten Tradi- tion, and their unjuft Defcription of the Puritan, the Prelatical ProteftAnt, and the Papift, and their differen- ces $ and better acquainting the ignorant of the true difference ^efpecially what a Puritan and what a Papift is. By RICHARD BAXTER, a Profeflbr of naeer Apoftolical Chriftianity. Ttrita frequenfq; via efc per Amici falltre nomen'-, Trita frequenfa; licet Jit via, crimen babet. The common beaten way of mens deceit Is as a Loving Friend to work the Cheat : But though this be the common beaten way, It will prove criminal another day. W. H. this Author, pag. 15. faith [if you do not find that — they (your Catholic/^ Neighbours) hold nothing, nor PratJtje nothing y but -what they are able to givt a very jatisfaclory account of to any impartial Enquirer, then jjty, I am a Knivt, a Lyar, and a Cheat, one that dejerveth nt mercy from God «r Man, in this World or the ncxt.~\ LONDON, Printed for N. Simmons at the Princes Arms in S. Paul's Church- Yard. M DC LXXVIL ( 3) T O T H E AUTHOR AND HIS RELATIONS CHAP. I. HEN the Confutation of the Treatife of Tranfubftantiation was in the Prels, this Book came to my notice, written, if the Stile may go for Proof, by the fame Au- thor : It is conjectured that your Name is Mr. JV.HutchinJonof Lincolnshire ', fome- time of Qnecns Colledge in Cambridge . and that it is in- deed your neareft Relations whom you (o earneftly la- bour to pervert : Your stiU perfwadeth me that you are [eriom^ and verily think that your way is right : And I fuppofe you fee that we alfo are as confident of the truth of our Profeflion, as you arc of yours : The Queftion fe, whether it be jour Zeal, or ours^ that is according to Knowledge ? A 2 The (4) The Title of your Religion greatly pleafeth me, and is the fame that I aflume : For we are, I perceive, agreed in this, that it is [_ the Apoflolical Cbnfranity 3 that is the true and fafe Religion : And hath God left the matter fo obfcure as that we cannot come to an agreement in fo weighty a matter ol Fadt, as to know what [ the Apofloli- cal chrijlianity~] was 5 when even Common Hiftory giveth us notice what the Athenian Philofophers held, and what the ancient Romans held, and fo of almoft every literate Nation ? Tou ftudy, and we ftudy ; Ton pray, and we pray : You would know the truth, what- ever it coft you, and fo would We. As a Man that look- eth daily when I am called away to God, I folemnly pro- teft, that if I could find that Popery were the true Apo- ftolick Chriftianity, I would joyfully quit all the Friends, Hope, and Interefts of this World, to embrace it. What is it that is your advantage, and what is our difadvan- tage ? Are you more impartial in your fearch? I am fo Confcious of my Impartiality, that I cannot believe that this maketh the difference. Is it that we have not read the Papifts writings ? I have reafon to believe that I have read as many of them, at leaft, as you have done, if you are not much above fixty years of age (as I hear you are not near it). But you have Converfed with more of them than I have done I It's like you have : But is that the reafon of my miftake? You earneftly invite your Relations to Converfe with the Papifts, becaufe mens writings may be miffcaken : And on this ground I per- ceive you build all the certainty of your Faith, That our Fathers and our Grand-Fathers have told us Infallibly, what they received from their Fathers and Grand- Fathers, and fc on. This is your certainty. I will tell you briefly what I take for the Apojlolical Chrifti. < 5) chrifianity, and by what Notices I receive it • and then I will again confider yours. I take not Chriflianity to be a thing Co hardly to be known,as you would make it ^ either as to the Being of it, or the Public at ion. I take it to have its Ejjentials, Inte- grals^ and Accidentals • and that thefe are not to be con- founded : If it cannot be readily known what Chriftiani- ty is, how (hall we preach it to Heathens ? or how fhall Chriftians be known to others, or themfelves ? and who can have the comfort of an unknown Religion ? You tell us that nothing of it is written in the New Teftament, but the Life of Chrift by four Men, and a few occasional Epiftles, Univerfal Church, or the major part, even your ouu, may culpably erre, or alter the very written Word of God. And who would then believe you, if you laid, [But the Unwritten word it cannot alter ? ] It's true in- deed, the Ejjentia/s confidered, as Written or Unwritten, all the true Church, nor any one Chriltian, while luch, cannot deny: But lure, if many thoufand Errours may be found in that Book which you take your (elves for the Word of God, and this through the fault or failing of fuch as have had the keeping of it •, and all Dtvine Reve- lations are to be believed^ and all the Word of God is Di- vine Revelation , it notorioufly followeth, That your own Church hath not kept all that is matter of Divine Faith from alteration. So that though many of your Wranglers will not diftinguilh the Efjentials of Chriftia- nity (called Fundamentals) from the Integrals and Acci- dentals^ (as if Christianity were nothing, and had no determinate Effence,) yet this fheweth, that you muft do it whether you will or not ; or elfe you muft confefs that your Church may alter any thing, or every thing, as it hath done all thefe fore-mentioned :, Which we will not confefs of the Church Univerfal. But, I fuppofe that we have not yet met with the Faith that you account neceflary to falvation : It is that the Pope of Rome, and a General Council, cannot erre, in deli- vering to tis the Apoflolical Doctrine to he believed. And this is an impiicite believing of all that is written in Scripture, and that is delivered orally from the Apoftles, If fo, words and names go very far with you as to mens falvation. Is this to believe a thoufand things which a man never knew or heard of ? if he do but believe the Infallibility of your Church ? What I Believe that which I never once thought of? But this is but Impiicite Faith l A CH) A cheating Name for No-belief of thofe things : For by Jmplieite here you can mean only Virtual, and that is no Actual Belief of that thing at all, but of ibmething elie, which would infer more were it known : Nay Virtual is too high a Name for it. But will this ferve the turn to falvation, to believe that the Pope and his Council are Infallible ? What! though the fame Perfon believe not in God the Father, Son, and Holy Ghoft, nor any of the Articles of his Creed, no not a Life to come ? If you fay," Yea 5 Then will you call this Chriftianity, to believe in the Pope^ and not in Chrift ? Or do you mean, that men may be faved v ith- out Chriftianity, but not without Popery ? If fo, why was not the Popes Name, rather than Chrifts, put into Baptifm and the Creed, or at leaft with Chrifts ? But the infuperable difficulty is. How muft I believe that the Pope hath this Infallibility? From Chrift, or otherwife ? If not from Chrift, tell me which way, and why I muft believe it? If from Chrift, can I believe that the Pope hath Power from Chrift, before I believe that there is a Chrift, that hath fuch Power to give ? And can I believe in Chrift, and not believe that there is a God that fent him ? Can I believe that Jefus is the Chrift, and not believe that he is a Sacrifice for fin, or a Media- tor between God and Man, and came to fave his People from their fins ? And can I believe this, and not believe that we are all finners, and that fin deferveth that punifh- ment which Chrift came to fave us from ? Is not our Sa- viour, and our Sin and Mifery relatives ? as a Phyfician, or Medicine and a Difeafe ? And can we believe that we have fin and defert of Puniihmenr, without believing that God is our Governour, and gave us that Law which we broke, and which obligeth us to Punifhment ? Can we we believe in Chrift, and not believe that he is God and' Man, that he dyed, rofe, and afcended into Heaven, and will judge us at laft ? and that he pardoneth fin, renew- eth Souls by his Spirit, and will give us life hereafter ? All thefe are included in believing in Chrift, as Chrift. And how muft I believe that Chrift hath given the Pope this Infallibility or Power? By any written word which granteth it ? or by Oral Tradition ? If by the written Word, then I muft believe that that Word is true, be- fore I can believe that the Pope is made Pope or Infalli- ble by it ? If by Oral Tradition, whole muft that be ? Then I muft believe fome bodies Oral Tradition as true and infallible, before I believe in the Pope at all. If it be the flrft Hearers of the Apoftles, then either the Pope was one of thofe^ or not. If yea, and he hath a Ne- gative Voice in the credible report, then I muft believe him as Infallible, before he is proved Infallible, in order to my believing that he \s Ittfallibte, which is a contra- diction. If Not, Then I muft believe the Infallibility of other Hcdrers of the Apoftles, before I can believe the Pope's? And the Queftion will recur, How I fhali know them to be Infallible ? And who they were that were thole Infallible Witnefles? Whether Paftors only, or the People ? Whether of forne one Church, or of all the Churches ? And how I fliall prove that they gave fuch a Teftimony? So that yourpretenfe of a -Neceflity of receiving Gods Word, or the Chriftian Faith, from the Pope and his Council cometh too late: For it feemeth that we muft believe it flrft, before it be poflible to believe in the Pope and Council as authorjfed by* Chrift. And if my Implicfite-Faifh be the Belief of this Arti- cle, \Any Church in nil the wrld, yca^tbe greater part •f (i6) of all the Churches ^ may err in matters of Faith r or Apo- jfatize, and only the Pope o/Rome and his Council cannot :] What Proof, or whole Tradition doth this reft upon ? -Si. 9. Do not Bellarmine^ Cofterus, and many of your Writers profefs that the Scriptures contain all things ordinarily necefl'ary to Salvation ? Yea many Writers, that the Creed hath all that is abiblutely to be believed ? Yea fome, that it hath more than all ? Yea abundance ( Cited by Fr. a Sanc?a Clara ) that the Belief in Chrift is not neceflary to all ? And will you fay then, that he that believeth Explicitely the whole Bible cannot be faved without believing aifo your pretended Traditions ? Q^_ 10. And do you not hereby, inftead of the light bur* den and eafe yoak of Chrift, and his fimmands which are not grievous^ bring Chriftians under a harder yoak than that which the Jews were not able to bear? When it leemed good to the Holy Ghoft in the Apoftles to impofe but a few and neceflary things, Act. 15. 28. And how large a Law is all the Bible, and all your Coun- cils Decrees, and Oral Traditions, fet together ? Do all your Priefts themfelves, or one of an hundred, under- stand them all, or know what they are ? .& 1 1. While you pretend aNcceflity of your nume- rous Ceremonies, fas Failing on Frydap^ and fuch other named by you,) do you not lay a fflare of perpetual Di- vision in the Churches? and do you not make as many inconfiftent Churches, as there be Societies of Chriftians that differ (and ftill will differ) about any of thofe Tra- ditions or Ceremonies ? Q±. 12. And do you not lay open your own Church, to the accufation of innovation^ \ mut ability , and corrupti- on^ when it is not to be denyed, but in fuch things as thofe they have been mutable or innovated ? Have you not 07) not long left the Cuftom of adoring on the Lords-days without genuflexion^ though the firft great General Coun- cil ( Nic. Can. 20. ) and the ancient Fathers commonly, made it a Tradition, and Practice of the whole Church ? and it was Decreed to be Co ufed by all ? Abundance of fuch Inftances may be given. Q. 13. You do very injurioufly to your own Sect and Caufe, here to pretend Tradition as coming down from the Apoftles, for fuch things as your own Doctors plead but your Churches later Inftitutku fjr : It's fully proved by Daleus dejcjuniii, that the Lent Faft was long but for a fhort time, before it came to four^y days: And it's an odd thing, if you will pretend Tradition from the Apo- ftles, for the Holy-days, or the Vigil Falls, of thofe Saints that were born many hundred years after the Apoftles death ? We confefs our Faith is not Co big as yours ? We have many fcore Texts of Scripture that promife Salvation to them that believe much lefs than the Bible it (elf contain- ed. Yet we profefs our fel ves ready to believe as much more as you (hall ever prove to us, to have been delivered by the Apoftles, to the Church, to be believed. II. And for the fecond, ( that we receive not our Faith the way that you do - that is, from the Authority of the Pope and Pafifls^ and from your Tradition : ) We crave your confideration of thefe Queftions. 1. When the Apoftles (andDifiipfes, Aft.%,) were fcattered,and preached the Gofpel to many Nations, Were they not true Chriftians, and faved, that received the Gofpel from any one of them, or from any Perfon what- foever ? If AqniU or Pri(cilla Converted a Sinner, fuch a one faved a Soul from Death, though Peter did it not ; nor his Authority was known to fuch a one ? C 2. Do (>8) 2. Do you bdievethat if the Roman BifTiop or Chur- ches Revelation or Propofal were necefiary to true Faith and to Salvation, that Chriit would never have told Men fo ? Nor any of hU Apoftles have left it us on Re- cord ? When there were Hercfies and Schiimes fo wo- fully troubling the Churches as we find in PauSs Epiltles to the Cor. G-J.CoL and in the R-. 2. •■4^3 cL iijould we never have found one • -ord tor this lbtedy way of decifion, to appeal to the Church of Ro?ne ? Wouid Paul have rebuked them for laying, / am of Cephas, and made him but a Miniver by- whom they believed, without ever mentioning his Office and Dignity? would he never have told the Church ofiitatf of their Miitrif-ihip' and Infalli- bility above the relt ? Would lb neceflary a Fundamental of Faith have been fo much filenced ? 3. Did the Apoftles, Evangelifts, or ancient Fathers, ufe to Convert Infidels by any inch Method, and telling them that they nauit believe j flrn: the Infallibility of the Btfhop ofRomf and his Glergie, and then believe the Gof- pel becaufe he faith it is true ? Had this been the old Me- thod, would there not have been more Books necefiary, and written, to prove this firft Fundamental ( the infaU ability of- the Roman Pi/hop and his Councils ) than to have proved the Gofpelit felf direclly ? Is it not a wonder that we fhould have fuch Volumes as Eufebi&s his Prxparatio & Demonflratio Evangel, and fo many written by thofe before and after him, to prove the Gojpel, and none of tbemhit on this Method, nor write at large ; tomakeit good I The Churches Authority and Unity, is ordinari- ly pleaded aspmft Htt ■?' 7 cs and Schemes, but whoever Qoncertel fafikk fay thfi Authority of the Papal Church, cither proved, or. afllrted as the necelTary Medium of Faith ? : 3 4. Do 4. Do you not confefs that all other Churche* may erre befides the Roman? And their plea of Tradition you account invalid: Your Book called [Confiderations on the Council of Trent , by R. H."] p. 40. faith, £ ^ All Con- "ciliary Definitions are not only Declarations and-Tejiifi- cc cations ofjucb Apofolical Traditias as were left by them fc evident and conffi<.uous in all Chrifiian Churches Planted ., by them • but are many times Determinations of Points u deduced from,and neceffartf confequents to,fuch clear Tradi- cc timals, whither written or unwritten. 2. If the Acts cc of General Councils were only [neb Declarations of Apo- u fiolical Tradition, yet i; ispojlble that feme particular "Church, may in time, depart from [ucb a Tradition en* " tripled to them • elfc bow can any Church become llereti- u cJ araLtJianjfuch Tradition ? ] Do you not at thi^day accufe the Greek church, the Mufcovitei, the Armenians, the J acolites, Syrians, Cop- tics ^ Abaffincs, the Protefants,cjrc. as having depaiui from, or corrupted the firft Tradition ? And how (mall a pai t of the Univcrfality of Chriftians are the Papifls ? And if the greater part of Chriftians may io forfake the Apo- itolical Tradition, why may not the Pope of Rome and his Council? How ihall we be fure of their exemption from fuch danger ? You tell us over and over of our re- ceiving this and that from our Fathers and Grand-Fa- thers I And is that a certain Proof that it is Apoftolical ? Why is it not fo then with all thexeft, the A '^a/fines, the Armenians, &c. and the Majority pf Chriftians ? But of this I have fpoken in the former Treatife. 5 . And there I have defired you to tell.ns,whethcr your Cra;; if at her, pr hfs Pri'fl, Was Infxllihlc I If yea, li;)\V came i^e by it more than all thofe Churches ? If not, do you not delude your Relations, by , Rawing them to build C 2 their their Faith on a fallible man, or upon nothing ? Your Relations were not at the Council of Trent, or Florence, or Later ane : How fhall they be lure what the Pope and Council agreed on? What Foundation, but the words of your Prieft or Grandfather, have you for your aflurance ? May not one of your Priefts lye as well as all the Greek, Abt//ine,cjrc. Churches? When Pope Cw'efline himfelf falfly urged the Nicene Council for Appeals to Rome, con- trary to Angnfine and the Carthage Council ? Either tell your Readers plainly, that it's you, and iuch oa you, that are the Infallible Foundation of their Faith • or bid them ftay, and not go your way, till they are certain what the Pope and his Council fay • and that he is a true Pope, and it a true Council, and that they are more Infallible than the major part of Chriftians. And our Faith can be no ftronger than the weakeft neceflary medium of it, from whence it muftarifc. 6. I have faid Co much of this in a fmall Book, called, £ The certainty of Chrifliantty without Popery,'] which I intreat you impartially to perufe, where I have alfo fhew- ed the utter uncertainty that Popery would reduce our Chriftianity to $ that I will now only tell you, that after your talk of Tradition, and Church, and Fathers, and Grandfathers, if we had not much more teftimony of Tradition for our Religion than you have for Popery, we fhonld think our Faith were very lame. Compare ours With yours : ?. Yours is A pretended Authoritative de- termination, which refts upon a fuppofed Inspiration of fome Perfons, by virtue of a fpecial Priviledge peculiar to themfelves. 2. It is the Tradition of the minor part of Chriftians againft the mtjor. 3. It refts on the pre- tended Infallibility of a Pope, which great General Coun- cils have faid may be a Heretic k> ancl have depofed divers as cm as Hereticks, and worfe : And upon the Infallibility of General Councils, which by Popes and other Councils are pronounced fallible, unlefs confirmed by a Pope (who may be a Heretick.) 4. It refts upon a Foundation (viz. the Popes Divine Right of Primacy and Infallibility) which is exprefly denyed by two of the firft four great General Councils, approved to this day. viz. that of Calcedon reciting the fenfe of that of Constantinople againft the faid Divine right, affirming, that the Popes Primacy rv^s oiven him by the Fathers > becau'e Rome rv.ts the Im- perial seit. 5. It refts upon an Authority (of Popes and General Councils,) which being at firft but the Cler- vie of one Empire, hath thence claimed the fame Power over all the chriftian world, which they had got in the Dominions of one Prince. 6. It refts on a Claim down- right contradictory to it felf, as aforefaid, viz. That we muft believe that the Pope hath this Power and Infallibi- lity given him and his Councils, by Chrift and his Golpel, before we can believe that there is a Chrift and a Goipel authorized and true. Now our Tradition is this : For all the Ejjentials of our Religion, the Sacramental Covenant, and the three expofuory Symbols, we have the currant Tradition both of the Papifts and all the reft of the Chriftian World : Yea, that every Book that we call Canonical is the true Word of God, not only the Papifts but almoft all the Chriftian World confefs : And, dcfacio, that thefe Books came down from the Apoftles, at leaft that the Gofpel was preached by them, we have the Teftimony alfo of E- nemies and Persecutors. And are not all thefe more than the Teftimony of one Sett alone? 2, And in this we have as much to confirm us as you have, of the wifdem, pietf, care of the church to frefervc the Gofpel, and much (22) much more too ; for we have the Piety of all the Churihes to plead, and not your Seel alone : And we undertake to prove fuch a moral Infallibility as is alfo Natural, viz,. That Mans Nature and Intercfts fuppofed, it is no more poffiblc for lb many Perfons and Nations of crois Inter- efts to have agreed in their Teftimony for the Gofpel,than for all the contentious Lawyers in the Land to have a- greed falfly to inform us, that our Statutes were made by fuch Kings and Parliaments. But a domineering Faction alone might eafilier have deceived men. 3. Yea, even as to chrifis Promifc, we can better prove that the Univer[al church jot Body of Chriftians,iha\i never lofe the Faith, than you can prove it of Rome alone, or the Papal Sect, hellarmine himfelr dare not fay, that Rome fhall not ceafe to be the feat of the Papacy, or fhall not be utterly deftroyed. And then how can there be a BiJJjop of Rome^ when there is no Rome ? But you'll fay, that if he dwell at Avignion, he may be called Bijhp of Rome ? But if he be called [0 when he is not fo, at leaft when there is no Rome, or no chriflian Church there. Cure afalfe Name is not an Eflfential part of our Religion. If you fay, that at Avignion, or Ravenna, or Vienna, he may be S. Peters SuccefFor, and fo the Univerfal Monarch ftill. I anfwer, Then it feems that the Council of Cal- cedott, as afore-cited, was in the right, (that Romes Privi- ledge voas given fa the Fathers, because it vpjs the Imptrial Seat : ) And fo that the Pope is not S. Peter's Succetfor,. eo nomine, becaufe he is Bijhcp of Rome, But if the Biihop of Avignion, or Vienna, might become S. Peters Succefibr (who never was Bifhop there,) ho ,v ihall we know that the Bifhop of .Rome is' 'his Succour;., vowl We have hitherto had nobetter means to pr.wejt,and deceive the* World, than by faying that S. Peter dyed Bi/hop of of Rome, where the Pope is Bifhop: But S. Peter dyed not Bifhop of Avignion. If the Place prove not the Sue- ceffion, tell us, if you can, what doth ? Is it the Electi- on ? By whom ? Who are thofe men that have the Pow- er of chufing S. Peter a Succeflbr ? You know, I fuppofe, that the Pope hath been choien, i . Sometime by the Peo- ple, (witnefs the biood-llied at the choice of Damafns m the Church.-.J 2. Sometime by the People, and the Neighbour Ordaining Bilhops : 3. Sometime by a Synod : 4. Sometime by the Emperours : 5. And luftly, by the Roman Cardinals. If any of thefe maychufe, then we may have four or live lawful Popes, choien four or five feveral ways, at once. If only one of thefe have the Power, S. Peter had no SuccefTors under all the other Elections; So that the Claim will fall rather to Antioch than to Avi^nion, or any other Town, becaule they fay it was S. Peter 's firft Bi/hoprick, from which he removed for a greater. If you are driven with poor Mr. Johnfon, alias, Terrct, to lay, that Am way will ferve which ferzeth for the truth of an Election of Princes, cJrc. then itill we may have four Popes at leaft. I doubt you muft be fjreed to lay as forhe, that it is the acceptance of the Univerfal Church , which muft prove who is the Univcrfal Mo- n4rch. 1 . But fome mult be Elector s^bdorc it comes to ac- ceptance. And who hath the Power of ElecJin^ And 2. what if now the major part of the Church fhould prefer the Bi- fliop of Confantimple ? I hope you are not fo ignorant of Coimography as not to know that the Greek Church when they fir't preferred, the Bilhop of Confl. was far greater thin the IMine. 3. And I fuppofe you know that it is not near half the Chriftian World that now accepteth of the Pope is their Governour. 4. And I pray you do but get die Pope to fufpend his claim tUJ the church llni^ verfai • (24) verfal accept him, and we (hall not be troubled with him: For how (lull they fignifie their acceptance? If in a General Council, you know how they oiConfance^Baftl, and Pjfa, are reviled by the Pope and thole that now go for your Church, for pretending to a power to depofe and chufe Popes ; and how Eugenia the fourth prevail- ed againft fuch a Depofition. And if thefe Councils were not your Univerfal'Church reprefentative, where fhall we think to find it ? In fum, we have the Tradition of a Church as big as three of the Roman for all our Religion • and of all the Roman Church it felf • befides the Confeffion of the Ene- mies of the Church, Pagans, Infidels, Mahometans, Jews, and Hereticks -, we have not one word that's part of our Religion, which your fel ves confefs not to be true : We believe that the Faith of the Univerfd Church ihall never fail, nor the Gates of Hell prevail againft it: And fo you fee that we may far better tell how Infallibly we have received our Religion from our Forefathers, than you can do of yours : But we believe not that this Uni- verfal Church hath any Head but chrifl ; no Humane Vicarious Monarch or Governour of all the World : We believe that Men mult Believe in Chrift before they can know that the Pope is his Vicar, if it had been true : We know, as fure as Hiftory can tell us, that the Pope's firft Primacy, and the reft of the Patriarchates were but the Humane Ordinances of the Clergie of one Empire, and not of the whole Chriftian World. And we know not ( nor you ) but Rome and its Church and Bifhop, may yet all eeafe together. But you make me moft admire at you, that (in this Book alfo ) you tell your Relations, and other Readers, of the uncertainty of notice by Rooks in Comparifon of C$n- ( 25 ) converfe and talk with thofe of your present Party; yea that your own Religion is not to be known by Books, as being lyable to be mifunderftood, fo well as by talking with Papifts, and asking them what is their Faith or Religion. Sir, I judge by your Stile that you are a man of zeal and conference in your way., and therefore that you write not this fraudulently againft your con- icience. Sure then you mult needs be a man of more than ordinary ignorance, that can believe what you lay. i. Is it your Objective or your Subjective Faith that we are difputing of ? If it be not the Rule and Object of your Faith, every man indeed may tell us what he bcliezeth him\elj , but no man can tell us what another believeth. And then you have as many Religions as men -, for every man hath one of his own, and no two men in the world know and be- lieve juft all the fame things, neither more nor lefs: And what lfnll thofe of us think of your Religion then, who find that one of you affirmeth what another deny- eth ? For inftance > A worthy Perfon of your Religion af- firmed to me, thit notwithstanding the Fifth Command- ment \Hnour thy Father and Mother^ a Mother hath not any Governing Power over a Child, nor the child oweth any obedience to the Mother, during the Fathers life, becaufe it were confufion were there more Gover* nr»urs in a Houfe than one, though fubordinate one to the other. Is this your common Judgment ? May I fay there- fore thit this is other mens belief ? You know that when we aliedge the fayings of your molt Learned Writers, we are ordinarily tcld, rliat it i^ not the judgment of par- ticular Doctors, but of the Chui-chin Councils, which we mult call your Churches Judgment. You under- take not to juitifie any more. And if I talk with D any (26) any of my Neighbours and ask him what he be- lieved, have I any more than a Tingle Doctors opinion? Is his Anfwer,the Faith of your Church ? But would you have any one paft ieven years old believe you, that wri- ting is of no more ule to Memory for coniervation of An- tiquities ? when God would not truft his Ten Command- ments to the Peoples Memor es, but would write them in Stone, and put them in the Arke, ( which you have ib little skill in Antiquity as to fay here was the firjl wri- ting: Sure if you will read your Jefuite Eujeb. Nirem- bergius de Antiqit. fcriptur* you will not lay that your Grand- Father taught you truly that Opinion as the Tra- dition of the Church.) Why do you write to your own Relations, if writing be fo un-intelligible ? Could the Bible have been kept as well in Memory as by writings ? Why were the Gofpels written then ? Do you go to Tra- dition j or to Books, to decide any Controverfie now of the various readings ? Did Pope Clem. 8. and Sixt&s 5, re- form the vulgar Latine by Memory or by Books ? Pope ?im'$ Trent Oath fweareth Men to Interpret Scripture according to the confent of the Fathers : Do any of your Doctors know how that is by Memory And Oral Tradi- tion^, or by Books ? Did Poffevine, and Sixths Senenfis, and fiich others, Correct Books by Oral Tradition, or by Books ? Did Ctleftnh and the Carthage Council debate the Cafe of the Nicene Canon ( a narrow Inftance which Memory might have ferved for ) out of Mens Memories, or 'out of written Records? Why doth Tnrrian bring us out new Forged Canons, and why do the Copies of ma- ny Councils differ in the recital of Canons, if Memory and Univerfal un -written Tradition can reconcile the difference? Was the Athenian Philofophy propagated and preferved better by Memory, or by Books ? Why is not (27 ) not the Stoicks,and Epicureans,and others,as fully known now as Arijiotles and Plato's, if Memory without Books could have done ? Have you as full notice now of the Arts ot James, John, Matthew, Thom.ts, Bartholomew, &c. without Book, as you have of Paul's by the Book ? Is me- mory fufficient to have preferved to us the Statutes of the Land, without Books and Records? Yea, or the Com- mon-Law without any Records or Book Cafes? Why are all your Councils written ? and all the Decretals \ to fay nothing of the Civil Roman Laws, Inftitutes, Pan- dects, and Digefts. Can you decide the Controversies about the Decretals, published by /fiaorc Mercator, by Tradition? What are all your Libraries for at the Fan- can, Florence, Pans, and in each Learned Mans Houfe, if Books be fa u I clefs and unintelligible ? If one of your Relations ask you, what is in the Council of Trent, Flo- rence, Lateranc, and fo upward, can you tell him fully without Book by Tradition ? And are not thele Councils your very Religion ? Doth every Papift Neighbour cirry them all in his brain, more certainly than in Books ? Or could your Grandfather and Grandmother have told us more certainly what is in them, than Crab, surix, Bi- niws , B aromas, Julfe/lus, Albafpintw , Petauitu , fiir- mond^s, &c could do? Or is all left uncertain becaufe it is written ? Through Gods Mercy our Euentials, and fomewhaf more, are delivered certainly down to us by two hinds, by Oral and Practical Tradition, and by the Scripture, beciufe they lye in a narrow room. But yet if you had the front to tell the World, that your immutable Church iuth never changed the Creed it felf, we could not be- lieve you, becaufe Books contradict: you. Traditi >n ft\>m your Great Grandfather cannot allure us that [V*7/^-J D 2 Was was in the Creed from the days of the Apoftlcs : Nor that \jhe Hoiy Catholick Churchy the Communion of Saints,"] and the other words mentioned in Vcffutt, and Ujher de Sim olis, \\ ere in Co long : Nor that the Greeks added no words to then Creed at Ntct; nor afterward at Constan- tinople, in General Councils • nor that all S. Hilar ies outcry againft Creeds was in vain. Nor can Tradi- tion v ithout Bouk yet aflfure us, what were the very words of the Creed ufed commonly by the Greeks, im- mediately before the Nice he Council t nor who wrote that afcribed to A hanafim : Nor amon^ the various Form.il.is of that called the Apoilles, found, as afore- faid, in Ir nxm, Teytullian , Epfh^nms , Rvffin;/s, ejrc. which of them was in conftant ufe ; or whether li- berty of fuch alteration of words was not then ufed. And no Unwritten Report of your Grandfather can alTure us, that your Mais Book or Liturgy was the fame in the Apoftles days as it is now 5 nor that it was for 600 years the fame in all the Churches of one Empire \ and that every Bifhop had not power to life what Liturgy he pleafed, in his own ( ity or Paro- chia : Nor can your Tradition affure us, that what the Father and Grandfather ufed, was ufed from the Apo- ftles, when the Church of Neoctfarea clamoured at S. L tfil for his Angularity and innovations, and S. Bap! re- torts on them, that they at Neoc, the name doth not fignifie. A Non-conformift in Scotland is one thing, in England another thing, as the Impofitions are different. Non- conformity twenty years ago, or fourty years, was one thing. Non- conformity fince 1662. is quite another thing. And Non-conformifts differ among themfelves : If twenty things be impofed as neceffary to the Miniftry, he is a Non-conformift who confenteth but to nineteen of them •, and fo is he that confenteth but to eighteen, or to feventeen, or to fixteen, and fo on, as well as he that confenteth to none of them. And that there is fo much difference among them is no wonder to them, nor any confiderate Man 5 for they hold Chriftian Love and Communion with thole that agree with them in the fore- faid common Principles and Practice of Chriftianity, ( as far as they require not them to fin : ) And they are not of a different Religion from every one that fafteth not o» Frid.iys^ or Saints Vigils ', &c. as you feem to be, nor E from (34) from every one that doth fo j nor from every one that thinketh not in every thing as they think, or that pray- eth in other words than they • for no two Men in the World fhould on fuch Terms be of one Religion : They believe Socrates and Sozomen, who tell us of the great diverfity of Rites and Orders in the ancient Churches, which all confifted with the fame Religion, Faith, and Love. They abhor the Principle of hating, perfecuting, yea and feparating from one another for fuch differences as will unavoidably adhere to the imperfect condition of Chriftians here on Earth. At this time in England a confiderable part ( if not the far greateft) of the file need Mimflers are for the Primi- tive Epifcopacy, and fome Liturgie, as you may fee in their offer of A. Bifliop Ufier's Re duel ion to the King,and their defires of a reformed Liturgie, Among the old Non-con- formifls) there were divers degrees :. fuch as Dr. RegnoUs, Mr. Perkins^ Dr. Humfrey, Paul Bayn, &c. did yield to morethanfome others could do. Howc-m you tell then by the name of a Puritans ^ what to charge any (ingle Per fon with? But it feemeth you take their Non-conformity in Gene- ral^ and their temper of mind and life together* But then you greatly wrong them. and leem not at all to know what their Religion is. There are two things which you fay th& miitake in .* 1 . Their Doctrine of Imputed Rgbteovfnefs, and the Co- venant y and not (oJicitouly endeavouring after the acquis fit ion of Virtue y becaufe they truft to the Imputed Right e- tufnefs • ] your words are too large to recite : You partly here unworthily injure them by afcribing to them the very opinions and words of the Antinomians, whom they have better confuted than ever, you did. And- as to their Do- ctrine (35) drine of Imputed Righteoufnefs, even BeUarmine in one fenfe owneth it : And whether our fenfe be found I pro- voke you to try particularly by your perufal of ray own Writings on that Subjecl, efpecially a late Trcatife of [_Jt*fi;ii»g Righteoufnefs and Imputation,] andaTrea- tife called [Catholick Theologie:~] In which if there be nothing which you dare or can confute, judge whe- ther your meer derilion of [Imputative Right eou\ne\s~\ be not deluiory : If you dare fay, that you trujt not to chrifts Sacrifice, and meritorious perfect rigbteoufnefs ■, as procu- ring you pardon and life, (Jus ad Impunitatem & Regnum c i-lorum,) enjoy your felf- confidence while you can. But if you fay in this m we, then make publick Confeflion of the injury of your reproach of fuch Imputed Righte- onfne\s, as you truit your falvation upon your felf. I imagine you will lay, that my judgment is no certain fignification of the judgment of the Puritans; for I am (ingul.tr, and therefore what I fay in thefe Books is no proof of the fenfe of the Non-conforming Puritans. But, i. my judgment of their fenfe is as good as yours. 2. Do you know of any one Nonconformist that hath publifh- ed any diifent to what I have written ? (Dr. Tnlly was a Conform! ft.) 3. You profefs (before) to borrow the name ^Puritan] from the Prelatifts. And I have this to fay for my Authority in declaring the fenfe of Puritans, that one or more (whote genius is of kin to the Roman, but far lefs mi'd than yours) who are Prelatical or fuper-Prelatical, hive about 17 years ago (being Matters of that Lan- guage)bnnded me with the Name of \JPurm put us Purita- nm, & qui totum Puritxnijmum tot us (piratj] (The Pfetido ■ Tilenm hath juft the fame ftile as the late Unmasker of the Presbyterians , who reri'eth mode ft, judicious, pieus, and peace* j/e J. Corbet, and in the moft ingenious flxaio of E a wrath (36) wrath and malice doth valiantly militate againft Love.) Therefore Prelatifts being Judges, I may as credibly as another tell you what is the Puritan Judgment, 2. Your lecond accufation of the Puritan is, that [He begins to quarrel with all external fVorjhip and Ceremonies.} But this is allbfpokcn ignorantly and untruly : You be- fore miftook the Antinomian for the Puritan, and here you feem to take the Separatifi for the Puritan. Read the Reformed Liturgy, and other Papers offered at the savoy to the Bifhops, and you may fee that though they are not for filencing, excommunicating, and damning men for a Ceremony, nor for making as many Religions, as there are differences about Ceremonies, yet they are for doing all things to edification, decently and in order ; and for external as well as internal Worlhip of God : As know- ing that the Body is his, and made to Worfhip him as well as the Soul, and therefore fliould fall down and kneel before him, and reverently and holily behave it felf in his Service. ' You fay, p. 5. " [He is much confirmed in this his imagi- cc nation, by considering the oyen profanenefs, and little " fenfe of God, he obferveth generally in zealous Confor- n and the Flocks, that they muft neither judge nor defptfe each other for differences about Meats and Days, but receive each other (to Communion notwithstanding fuch differences) as chrijl received us, Rom. 14. and 15. And we will not believe your Grand-Father, nor Great-Grand-Father, if they told us that the Apoftles by Tradition did inftitute Holy-days, and Vigils for St. Tecla, or St. hrjdgst, or St. 't'hom.ts Becket, or any that were not born till they were dead: And any one Day or Order which you truly prove to us that the Apoftlcsby Tradition ordained for the Hmvsrfiti Churchy we profefs our (elves ready and refolved to obey. But if you plead not Tradition for any of th je things, but the Churches Commands, ( as you muft do, or be fin* gular, or afhamed 5 ) here you come to the quick of our difference : 1 . We know not of any Universal yicario.ss Livo-giver under Chrift that hath any power to make Laws to the Univerfal Church throughout the World : and we d ire not own any fuch Ufrtrper left we be guilty of Treafon agiinft the only Head of the whole Church. 2. We know not of any power that the chief Billnp in the Roman Empire hath over other Empires, King domes, or Churches. 3* But to our own true Payors which are fet over us according to Chrift's order and his Apples recorded in Scripture, we Puritanes will liibmir in all fiich Circum- ftantials, as aforefaid, which are left to their prudent de- termination, not putting us on any fin. But, 4. We deteft making fuch things as you here name to be taken for the Characters of di mcl Religions > or dijtinSt Churches, as if we might nut ^ith Love, Peace, and Chriftian Communion, differ about a Garment, a Holy- (4°) Holy-day, Fall, or Vigil. Thus far then you feem not to know what a meer Puritan is. II. But, Sir, I have much more than all thefe little things againft your Defcription of a Puritane : I plainly perceive in your greareft praifes of him, that you know not what his very Religion it felfis-, orelfeyou would never defcribe him as only taken up with fears and cares ', and good de fires to be better, having yet greedy de- fires of the things of the world, without any mention of the Love of God above all, and of his Neighbour, and a holy and heavenly Mind and Life, with felf-denyal, morti- fication of the Flefh, &c. Either you judge of a Puritane by what you were your fie If, or by what your acquaintance were, or by what they commommonly profefs to be their Religion. For the firft you have no reafon : It followeth not that they have no better a Religion, becaufe 70* had no better. For the fecond you had no reafon : For it's ten to one you knew not the hearts of your acquaintance, fo well as to be able to know that they had not the Love of God, ejrc. And if you were fo unhappy in your acquaintance, what's that to other Men ? Thirdly, Therefore as you look that your own Religi- on mould be defcribed, not as we find it in this or that man, but as your Church profeffeth it, fo do we : And I have told you before what our Religion is. I have the more boldnefs in fpeaking the fenfe of others, as I faid, both becaufe I amasaforefaidftigmatizedfora/-0/Wp/*- ritan, and becaufe the generality of all of them of my acquaintance as far as I can difcern are of this mind. A Puritan then,as the Word is commonly taken by the Rabble, is a {eriota Chrijiian Protefiant, who truly believeth undpattifiethvohatbe doth f>rofe\s> and doth notmortifie that (40 that Profeflion which fhould help to mortifie his Sin . His Religion is, to be underftandingly and fincerely de- voted in the Sacramental Covenant to God the Father, Son, and Holy Ghoft., renouncing the Vanities of die World, the Lufts of the Flelh, and the Deluiions of the Devil: He believeth that all that truly confent to this Covenant, have a right, and part, in, and to, the Love of God the Father, the Grace of the Son, and the Commu- nion of the Holy Ghoft -,and that he that hath the Son hath Life, Pardon, Adoption, Juftification, and Right to Life Eternal • and that this Right is continued, he per- forming his Covenant, and continuing in that Faith which worketh by Love, and not living impenitently in fin, but fincerely obeying God his Father, Saviour, and Sanvftirier : He taketh the fear ofGodsJuft ice, and godly Sorrow, to be but the lower fteps of Holinefs ; but that the Kingdom of God is ( not Meats and Days, but ) Righteoufnefs, Peace, and Joy in the Holy Ghoft • and that the Spirit of Chrift, without which none are his, is not the Spirit of Bondage, but of Power, Love, and a found Mind 5 even a Spirit of holy LIFE, LIGHT, and LOVE, which are the Eflentials of true Holinefs ; and the Spirit of Adoption, and Supplication, caufeth us with Love to cry to God, and truft him as a Father: They take Chrift to be the only Mediator between God and Man, whole fufficient Sacrifice for Sin, and perfect Righteoufnefs, Habitual, Active, and Paflfive (as called) advanced in dignity by the Divine Nature, is the Meri- torious caufe of all their Mercies to Body andSoul, Re- million, Juftification, Holinels, and Glory: They put up all their Services, as into, and by, the Hand of Chrift 5 and from his Mediatory Hand they expect ail mercies : They take the Holy Ghoft within them to be Chrift's F "Ad; (42) Advocate and Witnefs to them of his Truth and Love • and their Witnefs, Earneft, Seal,Pledge,and firft Fruits of endlefs Life : They take Eternal Glory for their full Fe- licity, and this World, and Flelh, (Pleafure, Riches, and Honour, ) to be fo far ufeful as they fignifie Gods Love, and further our Love and Service to him •, but to be Va- nity as feparated from God in our Hearts, and Enmity, or MHchief, as Competitors, or as againlt him. In a word. Faith working by Supream Love and Obedi- ence to God, and Brotherly Love to Man, by Honour to our Superiours, Juftice to all . and by all the good that we can do in the World, and by Repentance for our Sins, patience in fufferings, and by a Heavenly Mind, and Life, is the Sum of their Religion 5 or plainlier as is faid at firft, The Gofpel-Covenant as expounded in the Creed, Lords* Prayer, and Decalogue, as the Summary of things to be believed, defired, and pra&ifed ; and the holy Scrip- tures as the full and comprehenfive Records of the Do- ctrine, Promifes, and Laws of God, containing the Ef- fentials, Integrals, and neceflfary Accidentals of Religi- on. This is the Chriftian Religion, and the Puritan in queftion is but the SERIOUS CHRISTIAN di- ftinft from the HYPOCRITE, or dead Formalift. But if you add Non-conformity to the fenfe of the Word, and to his Character $ fo I need not tell you what the Im- pofitions are which fome deny Conformity to, as to Oaths , New-Covenants , Subfcriptions , Declarations, Practices, &c. which he protefteth that he would never deny Conformity to, if after his beft enquiry he did not jbelieve that God forbiddeth it : (As you may fee at large in their Savoy Petition for Peace to the Bifhops.) Thefe two it feems you join together 5 and what their Ob- jective Religion is, I have better told you, than you have told C43) told your Relations. But as to the elearnefs of their Judgment in it, and the meafure of their Pradice of it, there are, I think, as various Degrees as there are Per- fons, no two Men in the World being in all things juft of the fame Degree. And now Sir give me leave patiently to ask you thefe two Queftions : U Why would you by temerity go about to deceive your Relations, and other Readers, by talking to them againft that which you did not under- ftand ? Even then, when you blame others as dealing fo by the Papifts? And why do you diflior^ur your own Relations fo, as to make fo bad a Defcription of them ? Are they fuch as have no Love to God as God y no delight in Hoiinefs, no Heavenly Minds X nothing almofi but fear And its efjetfs ? Have they fill the Flames o/Concupifcence y and greedy de fires of Money and the things of this Life, &c. If it be not fo, you fhould not have told the World fo of them : If it be lb, I am forry for them : I fuppofe it is contrary to their profeft Religion ; and you may have the greater hopes to make them Papifts ? II. What wonder is it that you that were no better a Puritan than you defcribe, are turned Papift ? You that profefs you were a Puritan, muft needs be judged to tell us what a one you were your felf, when you tell us what they are? Alas poor Man ! How came you to be fo falie to your own Profeflion, againft your Baptifmai Vows, as to keep fo much of the World at your Heart, in gree- dy defires after Money, and to have no more Love to God and Man? no more Righteoufnefs, Peace, and Joy intheHolyGhoft? Could you think that a Man could be faved without Love and good works ? Were you de- luded by fuch Antinomian conceits as you defcribe, and took that for Puritanifme ? How elfe did you quiet your F 2 Con- f44) Confcience in fuch a ftate of Hypocrifie ? If God and Holinels had not your chief Love ( as well as Fear ) you were but an Hypocrite. And here give me leave to repeat what I have oft written : What wonder is it at any Mans turning Papift ? when according to your own Principles, no Protectant, Puritan, or other Chriftian turneth Papift, that doth not thereby declare that he was a falfe- hearted Hypocrite before, and had no true Love to God in his Heart : And was not this your cafe ? For, i . You affirm that all Men that have true prevalent Love to God are in a ftate of Grace, and have right to Salvation, ( till they loie it : ) 2. You affirm that ncne of us are in a date of Grace and Salvation, that are not of your Church, that is, the Sub- jects of the King, or Pope of Rome : 3. Therefore it fol- loweth that you take none but fuch Subjefts or Members of your Church, to have the true prevalent Love of God. But you know that in our Chriftian Covenant and Pro- feflion we all take God for our God, the infinite and molt amiable Good, our Father in Chrift, and Love it Cdf y and that Faith working by Love is our Religion: And if any Man^ faith Saint Paul, love not the Lord Jefus Chrift t let him be Anathema Maranatha : And he that loveth the fVorld y the Love of the Father is not in him^ I Joh, 2. 15. So that by turning Papift you confefs that before you were no true Chriftian, nor had any true Love to God and Godlinefs, nor to Jefus Chrift : And if lb, you were a falfe-hearted Hypocrite : For as a Chriftian you profeft and Covenanted it. And what wonder then if God for* fookyou and gave you up to ftrong delufions, when you would not receive the Truth in the Love of it, that you might be faved, 2 Thef. 2. And note here, that if any Man know that he truly loveth (45) loveth God and Goodnefs, you tell him that he is none of thofe that you perfwade to Popery : For you perfwade none to it, but thofe that are ungodly Hypocrites, ha- ving no true Love of God within them. But can you think, Sir, in good earneft, that Popery tendeth more to fill Men with the Love of God, than our fimple Chriftianity doth? Is not Popery a Religion of Bondage and Servitude, conlifting mainly in Terrour,and its fuperftitious effects ? What are moft of your Tasks of Pilgrimages, Penances, and abundance fuch, but the effects of ier vile fear ? Thebeft of Religion next Heaven fhould be that which is neareft to Heaven. And do you think you can love God better in the Fire of Purgatory Torments, than if he took you unto C hrift in Paradife ? Could you love God better in this Life, if he tormented you in the Fire,than if he give you comfort by his mercies? You fay that the Puritan £ is made negligent ( by his trult- in GhriftJ to Adorn his Soul with Piety, fl JAr **)'■> MeekncfS) Patience, Humility, and other Chrijlhn Fer* tues* } partly thinking them impojfible to he attained, partly deeming there is no absolute neccjfity of them to his Salvation, he having nothing to do but to believe th.xt Jefus chrifl hath done all for him.~] Anfrv, I had hoped there had been few fuch left in England: Even Crijf and Saltmarjh, were fcarce fo erroneous : And were you fuch a one ? O miferable Man that was fuch a Puritan J Who did bewitch you fo grofly to contradict the whole Te~ nour of the Gofpel ? It is juft with God to leave you:, to let now as light by the Meritorious Right eoufne[s of chrifi as procuring you Pardon, Grace, and Glory, as you did then let by Chrijlian Virtues^ Piety y and Love ? But what, if it was fo with you, will that allow you to belie fo many others ? How many fcore Volumes have the Puri- tans * C46) tans written which aflert not only the poflibility,but the abfolute neccflity of Piety, Charity, Humility, ejrc without which none can fee God, ( Infants Cale is not here medled with.) I know not one Perfon in all the Land, or World, that will not abhor, as falfe, what you here charge in common on the Puritans, unlefshebea very grofs Antinomian, or fome grofler Heretick here unknown: Proteftants, Puritans, Separatifts, Anabap- tifts, yea, Quakers, all abhor it: And yet you feared not to put this in Print ? Perhaps you will pretend for it the Doiftrine of Juftification by Faith alone ? But they that fay that Faith alone going firft with Repentance, doth juftifie them, by procuring the pardon of their fins, and their Union with Chrift, do fay that at the fame moment of time it alfo fanctifieth them, by procuring from Chrift the Spirit of Sanctification, giving them Love, Humili- ty, Piety, &c. And that this is of abfolute neceflity to their Salvation, Heb. 12. 14. Mat. 18.3. Rom.%. 1. 6, 7. 13. So much of your falfe felf-condemning defcription of a Puritan. C HAP. III. II. XJ O U next Characterize the Prelatical Protectant : \ Having faid before p. 5 . {Their Preachers in their Sermons have little Life or Zeal 5 and Jeldom difcourfe of fuck Truths as are aft to awaken Mens Confciences y and make them Uy to heart the great concern of the Salvation of their Souls. Or if they, dp at any time preach of Judg- ment ^ or of Hell, Repentance \ er * New Life, thy do it very C47> very coldly and imperfettly, And feem to talk like Parrots, of what they have learnt by rote or out of others Beaks, and not what they have had any experience of in their he arts. ,] And p* 4. [ Generally [peaking, ( / wifh it were a (lander •) Prelatick Protejlants are very Prophane, and give no figns of any inter tour trouble of Conscience : And if any of them begin to be heartily troubled for hts fin, he is olferved either to turn Fanatick or PapiJlJ] Anfw. If by a Prelatick Proteftant you mould unhand- fomly mean only fiich as are worldly clergy-men, like too many of your Reman Prelates and their Curates, who take Gain for Godlinefs, and who allow their Fle/h, their Pride, their Covetoufnefs , and Voluptuoufnefs, and Sloth, to chufe their Religion . whofe God is their Belly, who glory in their ihame, and who mind Earthly things, and are Enemies toCrofs-bearing ; and through Enmity to thofe that are better than themfelves, are Crofs-impo- fers, and Pedecutors, and Silencers, of lober faithful Minifters, becaufe they crofs their Pride and worldly In- tereft •, f uch it's like may be no better Men than you de- fcribe them. But why mould you take the Word in fo narrow a fenfe ? But if by Prelatick Proteftants you mean all fuch Pro- teftants whofe judgment is for Epifcopacy, i. You de- ceive, and I fuppoie are deceived, in your diftinguifhing thefe from N on-con f or mifls : It's true that there are envi- ous falfe-hearted Prelatifts in the World, that make falfe names for their Brethren, to procure the belief of their falfe reports of them: And God will cut out the lying Tongue. But I will tell you the truth, whofe malice fo- ever is againft it • there are Eptfcopal as well as Presbyte- rian ami Independent Non-conformifts now: Yea, divers that are againft the late Wars of the Parliament, and againfl ( 48) againft the Covenant, and never took it $ and fome that have been Souldiers for the King, and iuffered for him: Yea fo confiderable is the number of them that are Epifco» pal, that in 1660. when the King called them to treat in order to agreement, they offered him no other Form of Church Government, than A, Bijhop Uflier's R?duffion y in which not a Pin of Honour, nor one Farthing of their Re- venue was defired to be taken from Archbifhops, Bifhops, Deans, Archdeacons 5 but only the Parilh Minifters ena- bled under them, to have done fomewhat more that be- longeth to their Office, inftead of Lay-Chancellors, &c. Mofi Non-conformifls of my acquaintance would be glad of the terms contained in the Kings Declaration about Ecclefiaftical Affairs, where Bilhops and Archbiihops are left as rich and high as they were before : Su far are Non- con formifis \Epi\copal Protectants^ 2. And though Conformity be very much changed from what it was heretofore, Epifcopacy is not. And I muft tell you, that I do not think that the Chriftian World hath more godly learned worthy Minifters, than many of the Epifcopal were heretofore. Do you know what men Bifliop Jewels A. Bifliop Grindall, and many more of old were? And A. Bifliop ZZ/forr, Bifliop Hall, Bifliop Dave- nan t, and many more of, late? Who hath written more earneftly and hotly for Epifcopaey, than Bilhop Dorvname ( who wrote the great Latine Book to prove the Pope An- tichrift -, ) yet who that knew him did ever queftion his piety or diligence? And if you look to the old Confor- mable Presbyters, read their Books, and enquire of the Lives of many of them, and then confefs that they were better men and better Preachers than you defcribe. Per- ufe the Writings of Mr. Rob. Bolton, William whateley, wi&iam Eenner^ Dt.Prefion^Dr. S{bbes, Dr. Stottghton, Dr. (49) Dr. Gouf/y'Mr.'Thm.ts Gatahr, Mr. Cmk, and abun- dance of fuch others, and enquire how they laboured and lived, and you may hear that they Were neither fuoh parrots nor prophage ones as you mention. There may be fome proportionable alteration fuppo- fed to be now made in the perfons of the Conformifts, anfwerable to that which is made in Conformity it felf; But furely, if you know London^ and many Miles near it, and many Parifhes in the feveral Counties, you muft confefs that now there are many Learned, Pious Confor- mifts, who Preach zealoufly, and live religioufly, and hate Covetoufnefs and Perlecution, and long to fee the promoting of Piety, Peace, and Concord. But if you expect a better Vindication of them, I muft defire you to confider of two things, i. That in mod Countries and Ages the veorldHeft men (that is, the toorjt) have been the greedier!: ftrivers and feekers for Church-Power and Preferments • and he that feeketh mod diligently is the likelieft to find: And that ordinari- ly the Vulgar do dance after the Pipe of him that is up- permoft, and will be of the Religion of them that can help or hurt them, be it what it will be. Moft will be of the Religion which is owned by Law, or counte- nanced by the Greateft, be it right or wrong. In the beft Countries, the moft are too bad : And bad men will hive a profpering Religion, and not one that will expofe them to Death, Banilhment, Imprifonment, Beggary, Contempt, or Silence. Moft will be on the upper fide. 2. And remember that you your felf here confefs the fcandils of fome of your Romifli Party, and what carnal prophane ones they are. Had you not confeffed it, I would have defired you to read two Books, t. Jofep* Acofta, of the wicked ilothfui Priefts in the Indies, as G the (So) the great hindrance of their Converfion. *. Stephanm his World of Wonders,taken mod: out of the Book of the Queen of Navarre, oi the horrid Villanies of your Priefts. And one thing I cannot difregard : I marvel not if the Papifh be mod bad in Spain, France, Italy, ejrc or the Lu- therans in Denmark, Saxony, or Sweden • or the Calvi- nifis in Holland ; or. the Prelatifts and Conformi/ts in England • becaufe the mofi (who are commonly the worfi) will be of the ftronger fide. But that Greeks mould be ungodly in Turky, or Protejlants in France, or Pafifts in England, where they arefingular, and under the difcoun- tenance of the Times, and moft hold their Religion with fome felf-denyal, this feemeth to me a more grievous thing. And if it prove true, that even in England, where you make the World believe that you have (uffered grie- voufly, your Followers are too often found meer Forma- lins, living in Swearing, Drinking, Lying, Uncleannefs, or fome otthefe, what mail we think of fuch a Religion as this, as in a Land of uprightnefs would teach men to do unjuftly ? I wonder not what mould make a Drunk- ard, Fornicator, or other debaucht Sinner to be a Papift in France, Spain, or Italy : But what Ihould make fuch a one be a Papift in England, unlefs his Religion favour fenfuality, or elfe he think that it will yet prove the up- per fide, I cannot eafily conjefture. But you accufe the Prelatick Proteflant for agreeing with the Puritan in expecting Salvation by the extrinjical righteoufnefs of Chrifi without him, not by any interior righteousness in his own SouL'] Anfw. I told you your me- mory faileth you : Why did you before then defcribe the Puritan as fo well qualified within, and defiring after more ? But were you bred among Puritans, and yet talk ib ignoranly aDd falfly ? This had been more tolerable in a zCochleus^ a Gencbrard^ or other tranfmirine Calumnia- tor, that never knew us here. Read but D#vejM*t de Jufi. and fee how you (lander the Conforming. And read my fore-named Books,and Mr. Trumans, Mr. tvoodbridges^ the Morning Lectures at S. Giles of Jufif. Mr. H'otton de RcconcilUt. Mr. BradJJhirv de Juftif. PrJfat. tjrc- Mr. Gata- ker in many Books, Jo, Goodwin of Juitif. &c. and fee how you Hinder the Puritans. In a few plain words, Sir, the Protectants do not expect Salvation by their own per- fonal righteoufnefs as coordinate with Chrifts, but as fubordinate to it, nor as a Righteoufnefs fo denominated from the fame Reafon as Chriits is, but from a lower Rea- fon,and fo as of a lower fort. That is,[ fC We all hold,that " Gods Law to perfect man was perfect, being the Effect cc of his perfect Holinefs, and required perfonal perpetual cc perfect innocency and obedience in man : And that eC man breaking this Law, was according to the Juitice of " it Iyable to its Penalty, which is temporal, fpiritual, and " eternal death, or to be forfaken of that God whom he * forfook, and to be under the fenfe of his difpleafure, or cc Juftice : We believe that Chrift Redeemed us from this " Punifhment, by the merit of his perfect Holinefs and " Obedience, and the fatisfactory facrificing of himfelf " on the Crofs, where he was in his meafure forfaken " of God, as in our ftead and for our fins ; whofe pu- cc nifriment, as far as was fit for him to undergo, he vo- open face of the Sun ? Yea, one that faith he was a Puritan, and an Univerfity Student ? Even when the poor Puritans are ruined, and hunted about, and caft into Goals, becaufe they dare not give over preaching the nece.ffity of Per [on at Hdinefs to fa fa at ion (for that is the moftof-ali their Sermons that ever I heardj dare you ftand forth with fuch an accufation as this ? as if they held no Holinefs necefTary but Imputative ? Why then are we devoted in Baptifm to the Holy Ghoiv ? Yea what are the very Separatists more aecufed of, than that they wouldhave none but real Saints in theirCorarnunion, too far prefuming to judge the Heart ? You feem a zea- lous man, though very ignorant ; I pray you itudy not to excufe this, but let us hear that you as openly repent as you have finned. The moft of your further dealing with the P re U tick Proteftant) is to tell him that his Ritual Principles lead him to turn Papift, or elfe he cannot anfwer the Puritan : I take not my felf any further fit to interpofe herein, than to tell you, that in all things truly Indifferent, there is a juft middle between any rr.iftaken Scruplers that hold them finful, and a Papift that mnketh them a part of his Chriftianity or Religion, and will not be of the fame Re- ligion and Church with thofe that be not of his mind, nor will willingly fuffer them to preach or live. I told you that S. PauK and the Churches defcribed by Socrates and Sozomen (about E after ) were of this middle way: They neither thought Liturgies or Ceremonies r o bad for unlawful at all,) as fome on one fide called Puritans do y nor fo necefTary as to make them a Partition- Wall be- tween Churches and Ctowches, or to forbid Communion, or (57J or the Preaching of Chrifts Gofpel, or Chriftian Peace, to thole that differ about them. And I think this mid- dle way is approved by God and Angels, and by many at death, or after long experience, who were againft it be- fore in profperity and paflion. The Inftances which you give, are, I. That [the pre- latick protefant ts very Angry with the Puritan, that he will not abflain from Flejh in Lent, on Frydays, Ember- days, and Vigils of Saints-— Thot'gb prac't ically Jpeaking nobody tikes lefs notice of them than himself' — And the poor Puritan^ because be will not folemnly invite the People to obferve^ what himfelf never intends to take the leajl notice of^ mttfl for this be file need and [upended both from Office and Benefice^ An[w. i . Here you fliew what things they be that you turn Papift for: Is not eating Flefh on Frydays, Lent^ or Vigil* > a worthy matter to make another Religion of, or to prove men to be of differing Churches ? 2. I told you before, that the Puritans judgment is as Paui\^ that fuch things fliould be left indifferent, or at leaft make no breach among us 5 by our judging or de- Jpi ng one another : And that neither the Pope, nor any m^n on E irth, have Authority to make Univerfal Laws for them to all the Chriftian World •, and that there is no true Tradition of Apoftolical Inftitution of them : Bat yet that fuch Fafts and Feafts as are appointed by true Authority of Prince or Paftors, not againft the Laws of God., and fuch as ihall be proved to be inftituted by the Apolt'es, they will obferve. 3. But the poor Puritan is indeed in hard Circumftan- ces, were there no life after this J Some of them have no Flelh to eat, either on Frydays^ or any day in the Week, but live thankfully upon Bread and Milk, and fome fuch H things ; c m things-, Fifh they wculd gladly eat, if they. could get it. There are now aire ng them fuch as with many Children? have for a long time lived almoft only on brown Rye- bread and Water : Many of them take it for a fuflfieienc quantity to eat one temperate Meal a day, though they are in no want 5 and thePapift that forbeareth Flefh, and eateth better than the Puritan feafteth with, or that fait- eth with one Meal a day, which is many Puritans fulled Dyet, doth condemn the poor Puritan as an Heretick, and perhaps burn him at a Stake, or caft him into the In- quifition, for not Fading. Poor Jofm Calvin did eat but one (mail Meal a day, and the Papift who fait much at the rate as Calvin feafted, record him for a gluttonous perfon. And fo did the Pharifees by Ghrifr and his Dif- ciples ; why do not thy Difciples (aft, &c. II. Your fecond Inltance is, [The Prelatick Protejiant wonders the Puritan fbould fcruple adorning the commu- nion Table^ with two Wax Tapers , &c7\ An\. The former Anfwer lerveth to this: Hear y O ye Puritans, wherein the Roman Religion doth furpafs yours ! Their Altars have lighted Tape rs on : Do you not deferve to be burnt your felves, if you will not burn Candles on your Altars? i Yea the Pope, who hath power to fet up and takedown Emperours and Kings, being not only the King of Rcme^ but the Monarch of the whole World, doth appoint thefe Lights as a Profefling fign [ " before God and Man, " th.it he is of that Church which in the Primitive Times " for fear of Persecution f-fved God b) Candle-light m " Dens and Caves'^ And is not this to prove the immuta- bility of their Church, that vary not in a circumftance from the Apojlolical inf. it ut ion ? Doth his domineering over Kings and Nations, and the Hofts of Great Princes, Cardinals, 'C59) Cardinals, Prelates, Abbots, Clergy, Regulars, Secu- lars, that obey him, mew alio that he is of that old can- die-lighted church ? But while you feem frill to plead Apofolical Tradition for ail thefe Great Parts of your Religion, tell the poor Puritn, whether it was by Prophefle, orhowelfe, that the Apoftles delivered to the Church the ufe of thefe Lighted Tapers, in commemoration of that which was done in Dens long after the death of thefe Apoftles ? I doubt rather, the Popvj doth by this practice condemn himfelf, and lets up thefe Lights to ibew the World how much he and his Church are changed fince thofe fore- mentioned days. III. You next fay, [ The Prelatick Protefiant wonders what httrt the Puritan can fee in making the Jign of that »n the forehead of a new baptized Infant, yet [miles at a Paptft rvhen he makes it on himfelf, or his Victuals, (jrc.^ Anf. None of us are afhamed of the Crofs of Chriit, nor loth to profefs this as openly as you: But if we do it by word, by writing, by Obeying, or by Suffering, we are of another Religion from you, (it feems by you,) unlefs we will do it alio by croffing : The Jews were the Crofs- makers : And there are now fo many Crofs-makers in the World, whofe Trade we like not, that we are not for- ward to fet up their fig* at our doors. But yet there are Puritans and Prelatifts, that were they among the Deri- ders of a Crucified Chrift, where the ufe were not a For- mality, or worfe, but convenient to tell the Infidels their mind, that they are not afhamed of the Crofs of Chrift, would not rcfufe feafonably to Crofs themfelves. But the Puritans think, that when it is made \j folemn fitted fign of the Duty and Grace of the New Covenant, deaica- ting .thereby 'ibe ' per fa* to Cod, as one he 1 re by obliging him- H 2 felf (6o) [elf to profefs the Faith of Chrift Crucified, and manfully to fight under his Banner againft the Devil, the World, and the Fleih to the death, in hope of the Benefits of bis Crofs and Covenant , and fo is made a Badge or Symbol of our Chrifianity^] then it is made a Sacrament of the Co- venant of Grace } added to chrifls Sacrament of the fame ufe ; or at leaft too like it, though the Name be denyed it : And they think that Chrift hath given none power to make [uch new Sacraments or Symbols of Chrift ianity • he having done that fufficiently himfelf. They have a con- ceit that the King would not be pleafed with them that either frame a new Oath of Allegiance added to his, as the Badge of his Subjects Loyalty nor yet that would make a new Badge of the Order of the Knights of the Gar- ter, without his confent. At leaft, the Puritans think that Baptifm, and Chrifiianity, and chriflian Burial Jhould not be denyed to thofe Children, xvhofe Parents do not of- fer them to be baptized with this additional Symbol : And if the poor men be deceived in fuch thoughts, it is but in fear of finning againft Chrift, and not that they are more afhamed of his Crofs than you, or more difobedi- ent to Authority. IV. Your next inftance is, [The prelatick Proteflant wonders that the Puritane can doubt the holy Euchrijt is really and truly the body of Chrift, &c.] And you cite Dr. Cofins Hift, Tranfub. p. 44. Anjvp. I. The Prelatick Proteflant and the Puritane differ not at all about the real prefence of Chrifts body in the Sacrament, as I have fhewed you elfewhere. What need you more proof than King Edwards old Rubrick againft the Real Prefence in a grofs fence, lately reftoreel to the Litutgie. And as for Dr. Cofins words and book, I again tell you, all the Doctors of the Roman Church are (6i) are never able to anfwer his full proof that Tranf ubftan- tiation is a late innovation 5 and none of the doftrine of the ancient Churches. We challenge you all to give any reafonable anfwer to that book : And you ftill Cun- ningly bawke the main Controverfie between us and you, which is not whether Chrifls Body be there, but whether Bread and wine be there. For 1 have told you, i. That we who know not how lar a Glorified Spiri- tual Body is exteniive and invifible to us, cannot tell you where it is pretent or ablent, no more than of an Angel. 2 . But we all hold, as a piece of Plate or Silver Birrs, is really and truly turned into the Kings Coine, fo the Bread and Wine is really and truly turned into Chrifts Sicramental Body »nd Blood • and yet one is Silver and the other is Bread snd wine (till : The change is true 9 but Relative by its Separation to that holy ule : as a Com- mon perfon may be Really Changed into a King, or a Lord, or a Judge, or a C a p ia ^-> or a Bi(hop, or a Doctor, and yet be a man ftilJ. This real change we all Confels. But the queftion is, whether there be no Bread. V. You fay [The Prelatick Protectant wonders that the Puritan when he is going out of this world [hould find diffi- culty to make a particular Confefjion of his fins, if any grievous matter lye on his Conference, and humbly defire the Prelatick Priefls abfolution, faying' &c~\. Anfw. I know of no difference between the Prelatift and the Puritan about Confefjion or Abjolutiou. Dr. John Reynolds 3. true Puritan, received Absolution before he dyed : Meer Puritans believe that it is a duty to Confefs our fins to men. i. In Cafe of fuch injury to any as muft have a Confeflion towards the injured perlbns Satisfaction and forgivene ft. 2. In Cafe of fuch difficulty about either the nature of the fin y or Confequent dangers or duties, as make make a particular Guide neceflary, who cannot refolve our doubts nil lie know the Caie. 3. In Cafe that ithe Confcience be Co burdened with the fin, as that the (inner cannot by other means find eafe, till he have disburdened himlelf by fuch Confeflion. 4. In Cafe it be necefiary to heal any fcandal given to others • It is a very great duty for drunkards, fornicators, deceivers, and fuch others to go to their Companions, and lament their fin* and perfwade them no more to do as they have done : And if required by the Paftors to take publick ihame be- fore the Congregation, and acknowledg that the do&rine ofChrift never countenanced them in any fuch fin, that Religion and the Church may not bear the reproach of their delinquency. And to beg the prayers of the Con- gregation for their pardon , and that the Paftor by virtue of his office will pronounce it. But we are not afhamed to confefs that neither Puritans nor Prelatifts think it lawful to make the people believe that they muft needs tell the Prieft of all the fins that they commit, and dutyes that they omit 5 Nor to uphold pragmatical Priefts in the trade of knowing all mens thoughts and fecret actions, even Princes, by which they may betray them. 1 . The number of people and of their fins, is fo great as render it impoflible : In this Parifli it's thought there is above threefcore thoufand fouls : How many thoufand finful thoughts, or words or deeds a great part of thefe may commit in a year, I leave to your Con- jecture : only I muft tell you that if all men High and Low, that are called Papifts about us, mould but tell the Prieft of every time they are drunk, and every Fornica- tion they have committed, -every prophane Oath they have fworn, every Lye they have told, fefpecially againft the Proteftants^ ) and of every filthy and prophane Word that that they have fpoken, and every Oppreffion of the pcrr, and every filthy or covetous thought that hath been in their hearts, they had need of a very Traditional Memo- ry to remember them, or great plenty of Ink and P^pcr to record them, and a whole Diocefs of Clergy-men in one Parifh to hear them. How many hundred Priefts muft this Pariih have, if all mould thus confefs all fins of Commilfion and Omiflion ? every cold Prayer, and omit- ted Prayer, Exhortation, Alms, Example, rye. special- ly the great Omiifions of the Soul, in the defects of the exercile of Faith, Hope, Love, and Patience-, eye. 2. And what good will it do a man, tint is himfelf of found understanding and integrity, to open his Confci- ence to an ignorant or unconfcionable man, that Will call evil good, and good evil, and will put him upon fin . as you here do by your Relations ; or that dare himfelf fin' as boldly as you here do, when you accufe Puritans and Prelates as holding meer Imputed Holir?cfs. 3. And how great a temptation and injury may this be to your Priefts, in fuch inftances as Montaltus the Janfe- nift mentioneth, with which I.will not defile my Paper? when, rlas i mod of them are not men fit to bear fuch tem- ptations: What if twenty thou fand People in. one Pariih fhould each make this Confcffion to a Papitt Prieit, [/ am afraid I haze finned in believing thr common Report, that W& are a very ignorant drunken [ot, and a common nhore- mtjie't, and a proud, covetou?, lying man •] would it not be like to enrage the Prieit into aft enmity agiinft his Flock ? If all the Fornicators in fuch a Parifh fhould tell fuch Priefts of all their filthy thoughts, and words, ard "their immodefi aft tons, and actual Fornication?, how file, were it to make fuch imrJreffions ' orT the poor Priefts Phantafie, as would pollute hira with many filthy irr.a- gmattons. VI. You VI. You adde, [The Pre la tick Proteflant wonders at the Puritan s nicenefs, that he can h no means he pcrjwaded to how at the Name of Jefus : when Nature teacheth us a Relative Reverence, ejrc. The found of the Name J e [us is vamfhed and gone, before the fuperfitioM worjhipper can wake his mim'.cal Congie : whereas the PiBure, a far more lively reprefentation of the fame great Lord, remains^ Anf. i. The Puritans think it not unlawful to bow when God or Jefus are named. But, i. They are loth to ferve thofe men, that would turn all ferious Religion into a dead Image of it. 2. And they like not bowing at the Name Jefus, and not at the Name [God}, or [Chrifi, or Imma»uel, or Jehovah, or the Hoi) Ghojf,} 2. As to Images, I will but refer you to Dr. Stilling* fleet's laft Book againft Godwin, which hath fully pro- ved, that you ufe them as truly Idolatroufly as did the Heathens. VII. Your next Inftance is, QThe Conformifis rejecting the Popifli Girdle, stole, and Cafuble, and yet wondring at the Puritans rejecting the Surplice!} Anf. The former Anfwers ferve to this : Some Puri- tans would ufe the Surplice, if that would ferve and fa- •tisfie. But they fee, that if they fay [_A~] firft, they muft fay [B~l next, and fo on to the end of your Alpha- bet. But ftill you tell us what great things your new Re- ligion doth confift of, and what great caufe you had to turn from the Puritans to the Papifts ? If you had known no more than Books can tell you, and your Grandfather had not known better than Baronius himfelf, what the Apoftles did and inftituted, we fliould never have known that the Religion which is integrated by a Surplice, Gir- d'e, stole, and Cafuble, had been herein Apoftolical, and not rather a novel thing. VIII. Your VIII. Your eighth Inftance is about fraying for the dead ; But whatever you fay of the Re&or of S. Mar- tins in Oxford, there is no difference between the Puri- tans and the Prelatick Proteflants in that point : You mil- take the matter : It is another pffige, or two or three at Burial, which the Puritan Micks at, viz. which pronoun- ceth of every individual perfon in the Kingdom, Atheifts, Infidels, Papifts, and Impenitent Sinners that wc bury, except only the Excommunicate, Unbaptized, and Self- murderers, that \_God of his mercy hath taken to himfelf the Soul of this our dear Brother, out of the miferics of this (inful life, rjrc.'] IX. Your laft Inftance indeed toucheth the quick of our Controverfie with Rome: You &y£Tbe Prelatick Proteflant wonders at the Puritan s Pride, that he will not [ubmit his judgment in matters of Faith, to the determination of a Council of all the Reverend Bifhops of the Land^ his Ma]e- fly as Supreme Head and Gofer nour prefiding,~] yet (ubmit not [to the determination of a. General Council of all the Learned Bi/hops of the Chriftian world, his Holmefs the Pope as Supreme Paflor presiding, and believe as the Uni- verfal Church of Chrift believe th : It's fitting, fays the Conformifi, that for Order fake in Chrifts Church, there fbould be in every Nation fome Supreme Governours, to whofe Directions in matters of Divine worjhip, all fhould [ubmit 5 elfe we foall have as many Chrifluw Religions and ways of fVorJJ)ip, as there are Parses, Families, or Perfons, The Puritan replyeth, It feems as rational that Chrift (hould for the fame Reafons of conserving union, decency, and or- der in his Church, appoint one Supreme Paflor over all chri- flians, dijperfed in all the Nations of the world, whom all Jlwuld obey in the vacancy of General Councils. ] Anf This defer veth our wakeful Remarks : I. So your I facred facred Cardinal Bert rand ( in Biblioth. Pat rum ) faid, that Cod had not been wijc elfe, if he had not placed one Supreme, as his Ficar over the World. And fo you can tell what God hath done y by your fuperlative Wit which can tell us what he ought to do. God doth all wifely : But if he had not made an Universal Head of the World un- der him, he had not done wifely . ergo^ he hath made fuch an Head, &c This is Hiftorical Logick. II. But is this Monarch the Head in Civil Government, or only in Ecclefiaflick ? Why is your One church no more One in anfwering this Queftion? Nay why were poor Barclay, jvithrington, and fuch others, whofe Writings Goldajlus hath prefer ved,fo hardly judged of, for plead- ing for Kings Supremacy in Civil Government ? And if you are of their mind, tell us if you can, why God muft not be judged as unreafonable and unwife, if he have not made One Univerjal Civil Monarch of all the world ? I undertake, when you will come to a due tryal, to prove, that Civil Government is fuch as may as well, and far better, be done by Officers and Deputies than the Ecciefe- aflical Government can : And I pray who is the Uuniver- i'al Monarch ? Or who. muft be he ? Or how muft he be chofen ? I would have our King have no mortal King fet over him, at leaft without a chufing Vote. And iliall they meet in a General Council of Kings to chufe one ? By that time the Place and Time be agreed on, and the Kings have ail left their Kingdoms, and be come from the Antipodes, and the Terra Auftralts incognita, and all other Kingdoms to that Council to chufe a Monarch of the World, they will be too old to return home again* Or (hall they fight it out, till one have Conquered all the reft ? Alas, who fhall bear the charge of the Conqueft at the Anupdes-., and who ifetll answer for all the Blood? When (67) When one cannot get all Europe at a cheaper rate, thaa will be expreflfed by many Kingdoms groans^ and the Soil dunged with mens fleih and blood. I have long ago on this tubjed: given (in my Key for Catholicks) an An- fwer to Richlieu, and to Carol. Boverias, who wrote for the Honour of Ecclefiaftick Monarchy, from the fimili- tude of Civil, to have perverted our late King • as if he would have made him believe, that the World muft have one mortal Monarch. Contrarily, If it be Madnejs and Hojlility to all Kings and States, for any one man on earth to claim and feck to be the Monarch of all the world in Civil Government , it is madnefs anihoftility to Kings, Paftors, and People, for any one ma:i to claim and feck to be the Monarch of all the world in Ecclefiaftick Government. But the former is true : Ergo, ft is the Utter. I am ready to make good the Comparifon. III. But, Sir, if the Pope be S. Peter's SuccefTor, is not his Apojloltck office as Univerial as his Monarchy or Ruling olfice? Surely the fir ft part of the Apoftles office was to preach and baptize, and make Chriftians and gather churches, and the Governing of them was but the fecond part : And is the Pope the Apoflle of all the world ? Then it ieemeth that he is a betrayer of moft of the whole earth to the Devil, that neither preacheth to them per fe vel per alios. But S. Peter s Charge was not Vniverfal but Indefinite. And even as to Government, why did he never fo much as lend his Deputies to govern the Abaflins for fo many hundred years ? Nay hence it feem- eth to follow, that all the preaching and Church-order that hath been for fo many hundred years, cither there or in any other Nation, by which millions have been turned to Chriftianity and edified, without the miflion or I 2 Com- C*« ) • Cbmrniflion of the Roman Monarch, fhould have been left undone, and all was unlawful ? IV. But muft your Pope be obeyed as Supreme but in the Vacancy of General Councils ? Dare you preach this at Rome ? i . How then come the Councils ofconjlance and Bajil for fuch Doctrine to bz unapproved or reprobate Coun- cils ? How came Pope Eugenim to keep up and continue the fucceffion, when fo great a General Council had de- pofed him as Heretical, Simoniacal, and many ways flagi- tious? 2. And what? Have we a Catholick Church with two Heads ? that ar&per vices the Vicars of Chrift ? A Pope one year, and a Council another ? Then fure they are two Churches^ feeing the Pars imperans is the fpecify- ing part. 3. But the beft is, it is at the Pope's will, whe- ther ever there fliall be a General Council more ? And he knoweth which fide his Bread is Buttered on ? Nay, they fay, no Decree is valid without his approbation: And u ever a John^or Eugenics of them all will approve of his own Depofition for Herefie, Simony, Adultery, &c he is not the Man that I took him for. 4. But if the name [ General Council ] be not a Cheat, and taken for aCoun- cil very far from being General, as to the whole cbriftian worlds let the Pope fet his heart at reft,: I will undertake to iecure him from the danger of fuch a Council, and to prove that fuch there never ought to be> will be, or can be y unlefs Chriftianity come much nearer to be rooted out of the Earth, and the Church brought into a narrower room. V. But you have a reflecting Comparifon between the Kings prefiding and the Pope s>. and between a National Council and the Bijhops of the whole Chriffian World* To begin at the later part. Alas poor ignotant Ma» y if you Relieve this yourfelf? And alas unfaithful Man y if («9) if you believe it not and yet dare fay it ? Do you yet know no difference between the crhu Romans , and the orbis universalis ? Or will you with willUm Johnfon, alias Tenet , prove your Councils to be Univerfal, becaufe fuch places as Thracia had Bi/hops there, as if Thracia had been without the Empire ? or becaufe fuch a name as Johannes Perfidis is found at Nice > Read all the fubfcribed names, and return to a founder mind ! The adore t knew what he faid, when he gave the reafon why James Bifliop of Nifibis in Pcrfia, or near it, was at the Council of Nice , Becaufe Nifibis was then unAer the Roman Emperour. Do you not know that moil of the Chriftian World (two to one) are not of the Pope's Subjects • and are All the Bifiops of the Chriftian World then on your fide ? And do you not know that when Conflantine prefided at Nice, his Dominion was full as large as the Biihop of Rome's was, and a little larger. VI. But becaufe you flhall find us reafonable, we will tell you, that we confent to General Councils where the Pope confenteth not ? We confent to- what the great Councils at Calcedon and Owflantwople^ be- fore mentioned, fay of the Humnne Jttjlitntion of his Pri- macy, and the Reafon and Mutability of.it ; and fo doth not the Pope ? We confent to the Councils at Conftance^ Baftl, pifa, that the Pope may be depofed as a Heretick 3 and worfe 5 but the Pope doth not: Is it not he then that difTenteth from all the Bijhops of the. worldl VII. And for the Kings prefiding we wholly own it: He is the Governour of Clergymen^ as well as of Phyfici- ans^ and he is to fee thaf they abufenof their Function to C 7*0 to the common hurt. The difference is here, 1. Our King Governeth but his own Dominions : But your Pope would Govern all the World. 2. Our King hath an un- doubted Title : Your Pope is an Ufurper. 3. And as to your name [Head"] he hath given the World full iatis- fadion, that he did never claim to be a Priejl-Head or Cover nonr, a Constitutive Head of a properly called Churchy nor to have the power of word, Sacraments, -and' Keys, fo as to adminifter them ; but to be a Civil Head and Go- vemour of Prieftsj and the Churches in his Dominions • as he is of Phyficians, dr c. VIII. And you miftake the Puritans, if you think they are not for this Government ; Why elfe take they the Oath of Supremacy ? Yea, and if you think that they are not for as much Unity and Concord of all the Churches in a Kingdom, as can be had without a grea- ter hurt, than the leffer particularities of their concord will do good : And they are not againft National Synods for fuch Concord : And they hold the King to be the Re- gular Head or Governour, or Principium of that Concord ; But not frinctpium effentiale ipfius Ecc\efi& : And there- fore the Puritans differ from judicious Ric. Hooker, who faith, [// the King be the Head of the Church, he mufl needs be a chrifiian :] For we hold that an Infidel King v may be fo the Head , that is, the Rightful Governour of // the Chriftians and Churches in his Dominion ; or elfe how fhould they be obliged to obey him ? IX. And you are miftaken, if you think that the Pu- ritans and the Prelatifts differ about fubmitting our Faith to the judgment of the Church : We fubferibe the fame Articles, which fay that General Councils mayerre, and have erred, even about -matters of Faith. X. But I muft tell you, that the Puritans, who are ac- cufed cufed of difirder and confufion^ do many of them bath disorder and confufion^ even in words and do&rine. And they diftinguiih here between the churches keeping and teaching the Chriftian Faith, and the churches judging in matters of Faith. The firft they are wholly for : We muft receive our Faith from our Teachers, and oportet difcen- tem fide humana credere. But if by Judging you mean ftriftly a Decifive judgment , in which we mult reft, which way fbever the lentence pais, as if the Church might not only teach us the truth of our Religion, but judge in partem utramltbet^ whether it be true or not, the Puri- tans own no fuch power in the Church, nor will lb fub- mit their Faith to the judgment of it. They believe that Pallors in Councils have power to judge that there is a God, Almighty, ejrc . a Chrift, a Holy Ghoft, that Chrift dyed, rofe, &c. that the Scripture is true, that there is an abfolute neceflity of Holinefs, that there is a Refur- reLtion and Life everlafting, that Gods Commandments muft be kept, and fin not committed, &c. But that no Council hath power to judge that there is no God, no Chrift, or the contrary to any one of thefe, or any other revealed Truth of God. XL And I muft not let pafs your Schifmatical inference^ that [c/fe there fhould be as many Religions and ways of rvorfhip .is Parijhes or per fans'] if fome fupreme Governour determined not in matters of worfhip : For i. It was not fo, when no Supreme Governour determined, on earth : 2. But either you mean the Subjlantials of Gods Wor* (hip or the Circumftantials : In the firft as faith is not to be got by force,fo neither is GodUne[s^ but yet Governours fhould here do their beft : But as to the other we abhor the Conceit, that there are as many Religions^ as there is difference about vefiuns^gefluus^ daysdndmeats : But (7*) But perhaps you take the word Religion in the Romane fenfe, as you confine it to thole that you call [the Re- ligious'} (as if you took the people of your Church to be irreligious : ) And fo yon have indeed too ?nany Religions, however they come to make one Church : The Religion of the Carthufians is one, and of the Benediffines another, and of the Franciscans another •, I cannot name them all : One eateth Herbs and Fiilb and another eateth Flefh feldom, another often • one wcareth one habit,and another weareth another h one Religion hath one Rule of Life,and another hath another. But with us there is but one Re- ligion ( which is the chrijlian ) though one man wear cloth and another ft urTe, one white and another black, one eat Fleih and another Fifli, and another can feldom get either ; though one wear his Hair long and another fhort, though one be old and another be young, yet we are all of one Religion : Yea, though one preach and pray in Englilh,another in Welch, another in French, and ano- ther in Dutch, yet we take not thefe to be fo many Religi- ons : No nor though one think Free praying fitter for Mini- fters than an impofed Form, and another think an impofed Form only fit, and a third think as the meer Puritan, that both having their Conveniences and Inconveniences, there mould be feafons for both. And I pray you here tell me two things if you can. I . Whether the great difference of Liturgies (which are the very words and Order of the Churches Worjhip) be not liker a difference of Religions , than the colour of our cloaths, or the meat we eat, or the lighting of a Candle^ tjre. And yet do I need to tell you how many Liturgies are recorded in the Bibliotheca, patrum*. Yea, that it was fix hundred years and more before the Churches in one Empire ufed all one and the fame Liturgy ? and for fome hundred (73) liuitdre H , ihit every Church ufed what the Bifhop foleafed ? Yea, that the riiil rcftraint of free-praying that v. e find was, by a Council ordaining that the Pres- byter fliould firft fliew his Prayer to the Fathers that they might be Pure it was found ? And had Bajil and Cbryfoflome, and all others that varyed, as divers Religions as Litur- gies ? 2. Whether all the doclrind Controverfies among your felves, as between all your School Doctors about . Predestination, Grace, and free y ill-, about Perfeverauce, -about the Immaculate Conception of the Virgin Mary, about the Power of the Pope over all Kings in Tempo- rals, and about the killing of excommunicate Kings, and the abfolving their Subjects, and whether after excom- munication they are Kings or no 9 ( of which Hen. FowLis hath cited great if ore on one fide, J and all the Moral Controverfies about loving God, about Perjuries, Vows, Murder, Fornication, Lying, Stealing, Drunkennefs, Gluttony, ( of which you may fee great (tore in Montal- tus\ Letters, The Myftery o f Jefuitifme, and Mr. Clark- fons late Book called The PriElicd Divinity of the Church of Rome : ) I fay, is not Religion as much concerned about all thefe differences, and all the reft among you which make many Horfe-loads, yea I think Cart-loads of Volumes, as it is in the colour of the Preachers Cloaths, or the Meat he eateth ? And are not Proteftants ( that is, meer chrifllms difowning Popery ) as justifiable in their Unity and Charity, for taking Men to be of the fame Re- ligion, who ufe not the fame Garments, Gelt u res, and Ceremonies, and that bear with differences herein, as your Church that beareth with all thefe loads of different Doctrines in your moft Learned Famous Doctors ( and not in the weaker Priefts alone ) even whether excom- K municate (74) municate Kings may be killed or no • and whether the Pope hath Power to put down and let up Emperours and Kings ? If you fay that your One Religion and One Church hath no i uch difference, it muft be by faying that you all agree to Gregory the feventh in Co mil, Rom. ejr Innoc. 3. in Concil. Lateran. on the worfer fide, and all own the Doctors cited by H. Forvlis aforefaid : But indeed I muft fpeak better of you, even that ibme are of a better mind, whom Goldaftus hath gathered and prelerved, and divers of the Learned Men of France, and fome in Spain, But we think the difference even between the Prelatiffs, Pres- byterians , Independants , yea and the moderate Ana- baptifts, to be far lefs than thefe which your unanimous agreeing Church doth conftantly bear with, without Silencing, Imprifoning, Ejecting, or Condemning, or fo much as di [owning the judgments of the worfer fide. He that readeth Parfons on one fide, and jvatfons Quodlibets on the other ; Barclay and mtherington on one fide, and Zuarez, and the far greater prevalent Par- ty on the other, will either wonder at the ftrength $f your Unity which no doctrinal differences even about the Blood of Kings can at all diffoive •, or elfe he may won- der at the laxe and fandie temperament of fuch Prote- ftants as cannot bear with a Man that readeth not in their Book, and fingeth not in their Tune $ and is frill crying out againfr others as Sectaries, becaufe they have piped to them and they have not danced ; and fuch as no Man can live quietly within reach of, unlefs they fwallow every Morfel which they cut for them, having Throats neither wider, or at leaft no narrower than theirs. As if King Henry the eighth's days were the meafure of true Difcipline, when one Man was burnt for being too far from Popery, and another hanged, or beheaded, for be- ing ingPopifh, and it was hard to know the middle Region, and harder to know how long it would be calm I till ltrangers cryed, Deus bom, quomodo hie vivunt Gentes, But as none are more cruel in Wars than Cowards, (nor in Robberies than Women,) nor any more gentle and pitiful than valiant experienced Souldiers • fo few are i'o iniblent and bloody obtruders of their Dilates and Wills upon the World, as thofe that being leaft able to prove them good, have nothing but Inquifitions and Pnfons, Silencings and Banifhings, Fire and Faggot, effectually to make chem good. Rut if St. James be in the right, who faith, that Pure Religion and unde filed is this, to vifit the Fatherless and widows in their adverfity^ and to keep our [elves unfpot- ted of the world, then certainly tho Jefuits Morals, and the My fiery ofjefuitifm, and Clark fin's Roman Practical Divinity, and Fowlis's Treafons of the Papifts* contain more of the concerns of Religion, than preaching in a confecrated or unconfecrated place, and than eating Fieih, Fiih, or neither, in Lent or on Fridays, doth. O die If range difference between your Unity and Concord, and the Protectants ! How faft is yours? Howloofeis ours ? . And it is to be confidered we pretend not to fo much perfection in this world, as ever to expect that all Men mould be juft of the fame Size and Complexion, or fpeak the fame Language, or have all the fame Opinions, Thoughts, or Words: If we can keep the Unity of the Spirit in the Bond of peace, in the feven Points named by the Apoftle, Epb. 4. 3., 4, 5,6. fofaras we have at- tained do walk by the fame Rule ( of Love and Peace) and mind the fame things, till God reveal more to fuch a^iUffei, {Phil. 3.) we mall be glad of fuch a meafure K 2 of (76) of Union-: For we believe it impoflible to be perfect in' Concord, while mod, yea all are lb wofully imperfect in Knowledge, Faith, Love and Obedience. We wait for perfection of all in Heaven 5 and we find that few things in the World ever did fo much againft Unity, as pretending to more than is to be hoped for, and laying in on fo high terms, and fo many as we know will never be received. Therefore our Mutual Love and forbear- ance with different Forms and Circumftances, is agree- able to the Principles of our Religion. But for you that pretend to Unit% Concord^ and In* fallible Judgement , to tolerate Cart-loads of Doctrinal Controversies, divers Expofitions of many hundred Texts of Scripture, divers readings of the Text it felf, contrary Doctrines about God's Grace, about all the Ten Commandments, about the Eftates and Lives of Kings, and never fo much as to condemn either fide nor filence the Preachers, never imprifon them, or banifh them five miles from Cities and Corporations, never put them to any difgrace, but ftill honour them as renowned Doctors, as if the Lives of Kings, and the reft of thefe things were lefs than a fcorm of Prayer, or a Ceremony, yea when your Inquifition torment poor Proteftants for fmaller matters, ( as reading the Bible, or a Proteftant Book 5 ) rnethinks all this fheweth that Chriftian Concord is foun- ded on better Principles than yours, and that yours is but the Bond of your Clergy mtereftb ■ CHAP. (77) ■ CHAP. rv. His own falfe Defer iptbn of Pafifis. YOUR next work being to give your Relations, flrft the falfe and then the true delcription of a Papifi, it's moft deceitful work that you make in both. I. In the falfe delcription you do quite pais over the great Conflitutive Caufes of Popery, in which it is that it differs from Apojlolical Chrifti.wity : And you name a few of the fuperftrudures or remoter differences, and cite not one Proteftant that fpeaketh thofe words, but only the prefent Arch-bijhop of York, and as you fay, the vulgar con- ceit : And you are ordinarily careful, in every Paragraph, to put info me one word, by the diibwning of which you may difownthe fentence.* But, i. Is it not a meer deceiving trick to word your own Accufations fo in the Proteftants name, as you know you can eafilyeft p\eid,Not GuiltfMzy not one alter fome one rvord in every Verfe of any Chapter in the Bible, and then proteft,' that not on& ofa^thofe i r erfes tf in the iiible I So if the Printer have formfeJ^r^ in cadi Leaf of your. Book, may you not. proftejft xhat, not one Leaf of it is yours? 2. And is it not deceitfully done to appeal to the Ful-- gtr as the Accufcars, thafi thi^ f c^ar^e/y9u,..Wjhe^i you khow : how vain'it lis to £xpe#, * t&ar,r (how fcjiiqci foe ver their judgments be) the Vulgar |hould f^at^ f ny.Contro- verfies fo exa&ly,. as not -to mils it Jft.4~> kenthorf, Dr. Reigmlds, Dr. John white , Bifhop Morton, Dr. Ames, Sadeel, Chamier, whitakers, or .fuch others, what the things are that Proteftants charge you with ? And anfwer what is there charged on you ? I my felf have enumerated many of the things which we take for Popery, and not to be defended, in my Key for Catholicks, and in my Safe Religion, and in One sheet again/? Popery, almoft twenty years ago 5 and Once then in my {Full and eafie Satisfaction which is the true Religi- on^ and in my {Certainty of chriflianity without Popery. ~] And you have given no anfwer to any one of them that I ever heard of: But you can better difpute, it feems, with your Relations, and with the women and Country- Labourer s y or Tradesmen, that never ufe to fpeak in that ftri&nefs of words as fhall prevent the Cavils of a ftudied Sophifter. / . : J 4. As for the A. B. of Twk, I am almoft aJStjjaftge* to him, and more to his Book, which I never faw.\But two things I can fay, 1. Thar we are no more obliged tbjuf^ifle his words, ^han you -to juftifiethe words of any one of your Doctors, i. ' Jhh no man is foifit toarfwer fc^HimashetsMtoye1ff ! By<^afe noi imnhwwqtfafo well €79 ) well in what fenfehetook the word [>*/>//?. ] I fuppofe you know that Grotim, who nerfwadeth us all to an obe- dient Union with your Churchy under the Popes Govern- ment according to the Canons, owning the Decrees of all the Councils, even that of Trent, yet for all this doth fpeak againit Papifts : But he tells you that by Papifts he meaneth thofe Flatterers of the Pope, vpbp approve of all that he faith or doth. And that it was not the Govern- ment or Doctrine of that Church that was to have been reformed, but the Opinions of ibme Schoolmen, and the excefics, and ill lives of many o£ the Clergie. Now could not Grot ins eafily have produced fuch Papifts as thefe, as having laid as grots things as you recite ? And how far Bifhop Bromhall, and the Doctor that lately published him, own Grotiw, I will not tell you, but refer you to their own words : To which many more might eafily be added. Now fuppofe that Dr. Heylin, or A.Biihop Bromhall, or his Prefacer mould fay, that by {_Papijh^ they mean fuch as Grotiut did, do you think that they could not prove as grofs words, as any cited by. you, in fome fuch Flatterers of the Pope ? And you know, I fuppofe, that fome of late would not have the church of Rome called Papifts, or at leaft fo charged, but only the Court of Rome, But let us take notice of fome of the Particulars. I. Your firft Article is, That Papifts are [aid to mrfhip Stocks and Stones, Medals, and Pictures of Jefus Chrift And inftead of this you putUn' the word [> Gods. 2 It is not [_t> refuting thefe Images to be really < Gods^ hut [rvor- f'ipping them as God only jhould be rvorjhippedf\ contrary to the fecond Commandment, which forbiddeth fuch Bodily actions as were fymbolicai'of Idol-Worlhip, -though the Mind were kept never* fo free from accounting God to be like Idols, or Idols to be Gods. 2. Who chargeth you of putting your whole trufl in images I Is not fart of it too much ? 3. How prove you that the Heathens ordinarily did fo ? Or that they took Jupiter, &c % to be nothing but the Image, and not a Coc-leftial Power ? 4. But inftead of faying any more on this point, I again tell you, that Dr. Stillingfeet hath in his new De- fence againft T. G, fo fully proved that the generality of the Heathen Nations did worlhip one Universal Supreme God, and worshipped their inferior Gods much like as you do Angels, and worshipped their Images, not as be- ing Gods themfelves, but with fuch a Relation to the Deity, as you do your Images ; and that your Image Worlhip is fuch as the ancient Fathers condemned in the Heathens ; that none of you will ever be able folidly to confute him, or defend your Idols any more : So dear do you pay for T. G. his temporary triumph. II. Your fecond feigned Charge is, [that the Tope can give men leave to commit any fin for money — or fo pardon Any (in after, as you jlall not he in the leaf: danger of any funifhrnent for it temporal, or eternal, in Purgatory, or in HeU.2 Anf. I will take your part in this, and prove that the Squib-maker, who drew up this Charge, doth do you wrong. What a- §bb was : he to think that any Pope would ever be fick/or fore, or dye, if he could forgive all (SO all temporal punijhment ? Unlefs the unhappy man can forgive all others, and not himfelf ? At leait he would preterve ibme of his Friends in health and immortality on Earth? And the Whores, that Baronies himfelf faith made Popes at their pleafure, would have found ibme Popes lb grateful as to have faved them from dying, if not from bringing forth in pain. And truly I mould hope that at lead: the Pope that by a Council was con- demned for an Infidel, and believing not any life to come in Heaven or Hell, would have been Co tender-hearted as to forgive all the world the puniihment in Hell. And it was a great mill: .ike in thefe Slanderers of you, to except no fin : As if the Popes could forgive them that would diminilh their Kingdoms, or rettrain their Domination 5 much lefs that would depole them. Could Pope Euge- nics ever forgive the Univerfal Church, as it's called, that is, the great General Council which in vain con- demned and depofed him ? When he can fcarce forgive a poor Proteftant the Rack and Fire, for reading the Bible or ferving God out of the Reman way. And doubtlefs he is wronged by this Charge, that he can nuliifie all pain, death. Purgatory, and Hell ; for I think you will fay, that quoad potent iam or dinat am Chrift cannot do it, or at leaft he will not. And were this be- lieved by all the World, no wonder if they willingly obeyed him, and called him, Our Lord God the Pope. For he could conquer any Kingdom, by faving all his Soul- diers from hurt and death. It is enough that he can forgive Ibme part or time of Purgatory Torments, and that (as great Doctors fay) he can (and lefier Pi iefts than hej forgive the pains of Hell to a (inner that hath no true contrition for fin (that is, repenteth not out of any Love to God or Goodnefs) L but (82) but only Attrition and the Sacrament of Penance and Ab- solution^ (that is, repenteth only for fear of Hell, and would fin ftill if he durft.) And though you may hope that there are no Copies of the old Pardons yet to be ieen, or any of Tecelius Mer- chandife now extant, yet the fure Hiitory of them is com- mon, and if you deny it, it will be proved to your ihame. What a multitude of Writers have better cited your practice and confuted it I But yet I remember (to do you right) that even Hilde- brand himfelf {Greg, j.) in a Roman Council faith, that [neither the Sacrament of Baptifm, nor Penance is of any force to pardon any impenitent Hypocrite^] which is well faid ; and as for true Penitent believers ^ we verily believe that they are pardoned if jo jure by the Gofpel, as to de- (rruclive or hellifh Punimment ; and that every true Mi- nister of Chrift may validly deliver this pardon minifte- rially, by true abfolution, in the Sacrament, and with- out it. But in what meajure God himfelf will remit tem- poral chajlijements, few men can know till the event tell it them i And neither Pope nor Prieft can forgive with- out him 5 nor know what God will remit, any more than another man may know, that is, by Gods Word, and by the event. And again, I fay if it were in the Popes power (how- ever you may abfolve him from Bribery or the Love of Money) that there would be more difference in point of bodily fuffering, between his Subjects or Favourites and other men, than was ever yet perceived. It's policy therefore to confine the bufinefs to Purgatory^ that no witnefs may be able to difprove it. You add to the Charge, [That of all Chritfs Merits the Pope is the Supreme Lord> to dijpofe of them to the (*3\ living and the dead, as he by his unerring Spirit thin:s fitting?] An)w. Here the Charger wrongs you too : For feeing all mens Lives and Mercies are the Fruits of Chrifts Me- rits, if this were true,the Pope couid kill all his Enemies at his pleafure, and when he hath killed them could cart: them into Hell, or keep them out of Heaven : And then no one in his wits would be againft him, or difpleafe him. It's enough to be able to do as aforefaid. III. Your next is [ the papift honours the Virgin Mary much more than he does her divine Son, or God the Father : for one Prayer he fays to God, he [ays ten to the Virgin7\ Anfw. This is injurious too, whoever made it : The Pagans honour not their Inferiour Gods, lb much as the Supreme! And for the number of Prayers, it's not like that all Papifts ufe the fame, or by the fame Beads : But whether you give inordinate honour to the Virgin Mary, and put not up a very large proportion of your Prayers to her ; if Dr. Stillingfleet, and abundance before him, may not be trufted in their Citations, I hope your own Pray- er-books may be believed. It's bad enough to make her like Juno, though you fhould not equal her with Jove. Angels have refufed fmaller honour. IV. You add Q His Prayers are a company of Latine words, he neither under/lands, or cares to under fiand them, which if he do but patter over in fuch a number, though his heart and mind be wholly taken up with worldly thoughts and defires, he thinks, &c] Anfw, At the firit line one would have thought you had grown paft blufhing, and had denyed your Latine Praicrs, not underftood ; but you never want one word to help you out in renouncing the whole Sentence : You make me think of that forry Religion which teacheth L 2 men, (84) men, that if one Article in a Vow, among many, be un- lawful, they may renounce all Obligation to anything elfe that there is Vowed -, and lb a Knave may be difob- liged to all Vows and Covenants, it he will but drop in any thing that is unlawful. Do not your unlearned Multitude join in your Latine Prayers ? Do Mafs-books, and your dai'y Maffes, all deceive our Eyes and Ears ? No, that's not it ; what then ! muft all be defrous to un- derftand it, if they cannot ? I rather think the Calumny is, that [ his mind and heart may be wholly taken up with worldly defires ? ] But who was it that put in that into the Charge ? was it not your felf ? We know that you fay, There jhould be fome General kind of Devotion and good Defire, though he know not what is [aid • and a General Beliefs called Implicite, which is no Belief of an) of the Particulars, and a General Jmplicite Defire, which is no Defire of any exprefs Particular, being a Faith that is no Faiths and a Prayer which is no Prayer, would make a Religion which is no Religion, if you had no better. V. The next is £ if he do but believe as his church-men believe) though he be wholly ignorant of their Belief, his Soul is fafe enough?} An'ftv, What is a Man but his Wit? The Word ( wholly ) craftily put in by your felf, enableth you alio to renounce this Charge : For we all confefs that your Doctors commonly hold 3 that this one Article muft be believed, [ That the church is to be believed and obeyed, ] and that's one Particular. . But I pray tell us if you can : i. Dare your Church fay that every word revealed muft be believed Explicitely of neceflity to Salvation? No: 2. And have they in any General Council determined what thofe Particular Articles are that are fo neceffary, ( fince you departed from the fufficiency of the Creed ? ) Or (8 5 ) Or do not your Doctors, without any Decree of the Church, ufe to debate it as a free opinion? 3. And do they not differ among themfeives, as all in pieces about the Point? And do not your chief Learned School-men cited at large by Fr. a Sancia Clara on our Articles hold that the Particular Belief of Chrift himfelf, or the fuper- natural Articles of the Creed are not ofneceflky? And! know not of any one thing that you are agreed to be ne- ceflary, befides the Belief that the Church, ( that is, the Pope and his Council} are Infallible, or to be believed and obeyed 5 and it is a Learned School Doctor and Jefuite Fran. Albcrtintu Corol.p. 250. that juftirieth a Country- man that lhould believe a falihood if twenty Bilhops tell it him, and that the Command of Faith doth oblige to believe falihood, it being not per ft, hut per accidens, ejre. And I think the old man is now among you at London, (Fr. a Sancia Clara,.) who having cited abundance of Doctors againft the necelfity of believing in Chrift or any Supernatural Point, or in fome cafes knowing the Law of Nature and the Decalogue, faith p. 20. [ To [peak mv fence freely, 1 think that the Common People com- mitting them [elves to the inflruclionof the Paftors, trujl- /#(7 their knowledge and goodnefs, if the v be deceived, it fhall be accounted invincible ignorance, or probable at lea ft : So Herera \ which excufeth from fault : Tea, fome Doctors oive fo much to the Inftruffion of DocJors on whom the care of the Flock lyeth, that if they teach hie & nunc that God would be hated, that a rude Parifhioner is bound to be- lieve them. See abundance more in him cited, Dew, Nat. Grat. Probl. 15, and 16. And that you may know that this opinion is not rare, he addeth, p. 123. [Jt feemeth to be the common opinion of the Schools and DocJors at this day d that the Laity erring with their Tea- chers. cm chers^ or Paftors, are altogether excttfed from all fault : Tea , by erring thus many veayes materially they merit for the Act of Chriflian Obedience which they ewe their Tea- chers^ as Valentia faith To. 3. Difp. 1. q. 2. p. j. and others with Angles, Vaf. quez. &cl\ And if this be true, what Prince, Lord, or any other Lay-man, that would be out of all danger of Sin and Hell, would not be a Papift, and be fure to chufe a Prieft that is ignorant enough to take Perjury, Drunken- nefs , Gluttony , Adultery, Fornication, Perlecution, Opre/Hon for no Sin, and then he may be fure that it's none to him, but he meriteth by obeying him that will perfwade him to it ? And what if theie bid Subjects kill their Kings, would it not be finlefs and meritorious by this Rule ? But you'll fay, Thefe be but the words of Writers, and Books may be mifunderftood, when they (ay that this is the common Opinion of the Doctors. And per- haps if I talk with you, or another, you will proteft that this is none of your belief. But how mall I know that w. H. or his Neighbour, or Grandfather, know better what is the Faith or Religion of the Papifts than the old Queens Con feflbr, and all thofe famous Doctors, whom he citeth, and all that I my felf have read ? And remember your Undertaking, cited in my Title Page. Is it not the moft common Opinion of your Doctors, that all men are bound to know and believe according to their opportunities, and probable inftrudions ? But what is commonly neceffary your Learned Church-men cannot tell us, no not the Pope or Councils ? And who can tell what other mens capacities atid opportunities have been ? and fo whether he be x a Believer indeed, or not? or bound to be fo ? VI. Your (*7) VI. Your next part is^/fr makes Gods of- fitful men : - He maketh iefs fcruple of violating Gods Laws, than he doth any Ordinance of the Pope, or any Law of his Church.~\ Anf. That one word [any] is either thefalihood of your Accufer, or the craft of the Clark that drew up the Inditement : And I think it fhould not be drawn up of thefe Laws compared formaliter, but matcrialiter : For I cannot think you lb unreafonable, as to think that the Pope is above God > 7 but that when you call away God's Laws to keep the Pope's, it is becaufe you think that the Pope hath power to change and abrogate God's Laws, or difpenfe with them 5 or that you are bound to believe that it is none of Gods Law, if the Pope fay it's none : For Inftance, i. I know that you caft away Chrift's Law for receiving his Body and Blood, the Cup as well as the Bread in the Sacrament : But why you do la, I am no Judge. 2. I know that you break the Second Commandment, and ufually leave it out of the Decalogue too : But why you do it, I am no Judge. 3. I know that the Pope and his approved General Council at Later ane make a Law againft Gods Law for obedience to the higher powers, and this Papiftspro- feis to receive as part of their Religion: But on what reafons you do it, I leave to you. You Inftance {.If he commit Fornication it is but a Ve- nial sin"] Do You hold that any of your approved Councils have defined it to be a Mortal Sin ? If fo, I hope you will take thofe for Heretical that think it is not al- ways fo : I refer you to Mr. Clark fons Vraftical Divinity aforefaid, and the Jefuites Morals, But doubtlefs all of you have not the fame Judgment either of Fornication or Murder, ( as is there proved -, ) for you are not bound to (88) to be fo far agreed, in iuch little things : But your craft put in the Javing word next, £ and fpr inkling himfelf with a little Holy water he is x* free from all f pot as a new Bap- tized Infant 7\ Anfw. They fay, No Man wrongcth himself: You may lay a fal(e Charge againft your felf that you may the eafier deny it ^ There muit be ibmewhat more than Holt water, elie what need of Attrition and Confeflion, and Penance, if it pleale the Pried, or Commutation of Pe- nance ? what need the Crufado's to have killed fo many thoufands of the ivaldenfes and Aibigenfes to procure the pardon of their fins ( O dreadful way to pardon I ) What rojm for Pilgrimages, fatisfa&ions, or for Purga- tory, or for Maflfes to beTaid for the Souls in Purgatory, or for praying to the Virgin Mary, and abundance fuch, if Holy water alone would do all the Bufinefs ? Was not he much overfeen, or did grofly prevaricate, that drew up this Charge ? Might I but chule my Adverfaries Ad- vocate, and agree with him to fay nothing but what I can difprove, I would certainly have the better, and be juftified. VII. The next part is, {And as for his obedience to Ma- ) C H A P. V. 7he true Hifiory of the Papacy^ its original and growth. T Hough I referve the opening of the ambiguities of the word Papiji till near the end, I lhall fo far an- ticipate that, as to tell you here alio, that the Word [PAPIST] is equivocal : I. In the fenfe of Grotim, and all our Reverend Country-men that are of his judg- ment, £ " Papifts are thofe th.it without any difference do ap' cc prove of all the fayin^s and doings of Popes , for honour or " lucre \ake as is ufual, ] Dilcuf. p. 1 5 . Jfofafl, then of all the Adulteries, Murders, Simonie, Herefie, Infidelity charged on fome of them by their own Writers and by Councils. I am forry if this be £ ufual ] I hope yet that there are few of thefe Papifts in the World, and that few Popes themielves will deny that they are finners. But he elfewhere defireth the Reformation, 1. Of fome bold difputes of the School-men •, 2. And the ill lives of the Clergie • 3. And fome Cuftoms which have neither Councils, nor Tradition. II. Some who are for the Supremacy of General Coun- cils above the Pope, do call thofe Papifts that are for the Pope 's Supremacy above fuch Councils ; or that give him the Legiflative as well as the Judicial Power over the UniverfalChurch: Though themfelves give him the Supreme Judicial Power when there is no General Council. III. Proteftants call thofe Papifts who hold that the Roman (9i) Roman Pope is rightfully the Cover /tour of the Univerfai Church on Earthy either as to Legijlative or Judicial-exe- cutive Power ^ either with Councils or without. Two things are here included in our Judgment, i. That there is no rightful Univerfai Govemour under chrijl over all the Church on Eartl\ either as to Legiflation^ox Judgment: 2. That the Roman Pope therefore is no juch Govemour. In this third fenfe now I am to tell you what we Prote- ctants mean by a Papift more particularly. And firft I muft tell you what a POPE is, before I can well tell you what a Papiit. is : Which I ihall do, I. De fach Hi- Jloricallj : II, De jure as to the Power which he claim- eth. I. A long time the Biihops ot Rome were feldome cal- led Popes, and other Biihops were ib called as well as they: At firlt the Biihops of Rome were pious perlecuted Men, and many of them Martyrs, and ufurped no Power over any Churches but their own • which with Alexan- dria were the two tirft that brake Ignatius his Tell of Uni- ty, who faith, [ To every Church there is one Altar , and one Bijhop with his fellow Presbyter and Deacons.'] But Rome having long called her (elf the Miftris of the World, and being the Seat of the Empire and Senate, and of the Governing Power of the orbis Romanes, the Chriftians there grew greater than others, and the Bilhop as it in- creafed kept it under his Power : And when Chriftians had peace ( which was under the far greatcft part of the Heatlien Emperours, and for the tar longed: time ) the Greatnefs of Romt giving Greatnefs to that Church, and lb to the Bilhop, and great opportunity to help other Churches, becaufethe Governing Power of the Empire was there, this Bilhop grew to be of grcatell wealth and intcrcf: And in times of Peace the Strife which Chrift M 2 once (92) once ended was taken up among the Bifhops [which of them jhculd be the greatefl : ] And St. Paul having taught Chriftians that they ihould notgo voluntarily to Law a- gainjl each other before Heathens filxSxzxz were but a wife man among them to be an Arbitrator - 7 the Chriftians lup- pofing that they had none wiier or fitter than their Bifhop, made him their Common Arbitrator in things Civil, as well as Ecclefiaftical: By which means Cuftom making it like a Law, Bifhops became de faclo church- Magi- flrates : But they had no Power to execute any Penal Laws, cither Jewifh or Roman ^ or to make any of their own, except as Arbitrators or Dodfcors to thofe that would voluntarily receive them : And they had no Power of Life and Death, nor to dif-member any,nor to beat or fcourge them, nor to Fine them or Confifcate their E- ftates : But being entrufted by chrift as his Minifters with the Power of the Church-Keys, and by the People with the Power of 'Civil Arbitrations^ they were by this the Jlated Governours of all Chriftians • who yet obeyed the Roman Heathen Magiftrates, but- brought none of their own differences voluntarily before them. Andbecaufe that Multitudes of Herefies took advan- tage of the Churches liberty, and fwarmed among them to their great weakning and difgrace, and chrift had com- manded his Servants to ferve him in as much Unity and Concord as they could, duty and neceflity drove the Pa- itors of the Churches t3 Correspondencies^ and to meet to- gether on all juft occafions, and at laft to Affcciations for the ordering of theie Meetings ! In which they agreed in what Compafs and in what Place , or by whofe Call fuch Meetings fhould be held, and what Bifhops in thofe Meet- ings Ihould pre fide or fit higheft, and firft fpeak and fubferibe : And ufually they thought that to follow the Order (9J) Order of the Civil Government, and give precedency to thofe that were Bifliops of fuch Cities as had precedency m the Civil Government, was the moft convenient Or- der : And in thefe Meetings they agreed on fuch Canons or Orders for all in that Compafs to obferve, as they thought belt tended to their ends: And having no forcing Power ( as is aforefaid ) they formed their Im- pofitions on voluntarily penitents fo as might ferve in- ftead of the Power of the Sword: Even Murderers, In- ceftuous, Adulterers, they could not puniih with Death, Stripes, or MulctSj and they were loth to di.'grace Chri- ftianity lb much as to accufe fuch to the Heathen Magi- ftrates ; and therefore they laid the greater ihame upon them, forbidding them Communion with Chriftians for fo many years as they thought meet, and before they re- ftored them they were humbly to beg the Prayers and Communion of the Church. But yet thefe Synods were fmall and few and rare, and never any dreamt of them as a Council of all the Church on Earth. But when God bleffed the Rome World with a Chrifti- an Emperour after the fharp Persecution of Diockfian^nd this Emperour had by Religion and Intereft made the Christian Sotddiers his chief confidents or ftrennth, he ftudied the utmofl: incre a\e of the Christians ■, and to that end invited all to Chriitianity, by the favour of the Court, and by fuch Honours, Commands, Wealth, and Dig- nities, as they were capable of- and above all he exalted the Chriftian Bifhops, whom he. found the Rulers of the Chriftian Societies : He gave them Honours,and Weaith, and Power: He made a Law that no Chriftians fiiould be forced to go to the Civil Heathen Judicatures, from their Bifhops, and gave Power to the Bifhops to be the Cliri- ftians Judges, fome few hainous Crimes being in time excepted : (94) excepted : And fo the Bifliops were by bis Law made C/- vU Ma.giflra.tes or Arbitrators ; yet not with any Power of Life, or Limbs, or Eftate : So that all that would be- come ChriiHans, and would be iubjecl to the Bifliops Ca- nons, and Church Diicipline, were freed from Death, Stripes, and Mul els, for many Crimes which all others were lyable to, and Excommunication and fome Penance was initead of all : By fuch means Multitudes of world- ly Men, and by the Preaching of the Gofpel Multitudes that were found Chriftians, came together into the Chur- ches : And Biihopricks being now very definable for their Power, Honour, and Wealth, Men that moil loved Power •, Honour, and wealthy ( that is, Proud, worUl), Carnal Men) did earneftly leek them, and ftrive for Precedency in them :. But yet while the People had the choice, or a Negative therein, and the old Spirit of Chri- ftianity remained in many of the Bifliops, in many places bad ones were kept out, and many excellent Men were preferred. The Herefie of Arrius and the Alexandrian Contenti- ons thereabout, required a remedy for the Churches Peace: The Bifliops could not end it themfelves: It fpread fo far that it was Confiantine's great grief to fee Chriftians fo quickly difgrace themfelves, and weaken their Religion in the Eyes of the Heathens : Therefore he called a Council of Bifliops confuting moftly of thole of the Eaftern parts where the troubles arofe: Two Priefts of Rome were there, but not the Bifliop, nor but few of the Weft: Where the Emperours open Rebukes and Lamentation for their Contention-, and his earneft. Exhortation to Peace, and his burning all the Libells or Accufations which the Bifliops brought in againft each other, and his continual prefence and moderating over-' fight C95) fight of them, brought that meeting at Iaft to that good and peaceable End, which elfe it was never like to have attained. It never came into Conflantine's mind to call this Coun- cil as an Univerfal Representative of the whole Chriftnn World, or as the Governours of the Churches that were out of his Dominions 5 but as a fit expedient to end the ftrife that was raifed in thole Parts : For as few of the Weft were there, fo none of all other Kingdoms were once called. For who fhould call them? Confiantine that called the Council neither did it,nor ever pretended to a power to do it. The Pope called not the Council, much leis did he call the reft of the Chriftian World : Socrates tells us, /. 1. c. 15. that St. Tbom.ts had Preach- ed to the Parthians, and Bartholontcrv to the Indians, and Matthew to the Ethiopians, though the middle JndU was not Converted till Conjhntinc y s days, by Frh^fftnii*s, and Edefms, and Iberia by a Maid:] And (oEufeb. 1. 3, c. 3 . who faith, that St. Andrew Preached to the Scythi- ans • and in Fit, Conftant. /. 4. c. 8. that there were many Churches in Per ft a : And no doubt thele Apoftles Preached not in vain : Scotland and other Countries that were out of the Roman Empire had Churches. Yet any Neighbour Biihop that defired it, might voluntarily be prefent. When theodoret (in his Life) tells us that [ James Bilhop of Nifibis ( in the borders of Perfia ) was at the Council of Nice : For Nifibis was then under the Government of the Roman Empire, *] he plainly intima- teth that none but the Subjects of the Empire were cal- led : And the names yet vifible, of the Subfcribers prove it. Notwithstanding this Councils decifions, the Con- tentions continue, and the Major part of the Bifliops- went went that wayufually as the Emperours went: Andfo in the Reign of Conjtantius^ and Valens^ they moft turn- ed to the ArrUns^ at leaft in words : And many General Councils (lb called, of the Empire) the Arrians had,in which they prevailed, and made Creeds for their turn as they at Nice had done againft them, and brought Per- fecution on the Orthodox, filencing, and ejecting them, and icattering their Meetings as prohibited Conventicles, theEmperourhimlelf fometime executing their difperfi- ons and reftraint : And among other Liberia the Bifhop of Rome, againft his Confcience Subfcribed to them. The Fathers at the Council of Nice did determine of the bounds of the Patriarchs of the Empire, which be- ing at tfrft but three, ( Rome, Alexandria and Antioch>) Jerufalem was after added, and after that Constantinople : For Confiantine having now ftrengthned himfeif by the Christian Intereft, and being further out of the danger of mutable Souldiers, than his PredecefTours, did that which none of them was ever able to do, by removing the Im- perial Seat from Rome to Conftantinople, and fo leaving that Famous City as naked and almoft neglected: Whereby two great changes befell the Clergie, i. The Bifhop of Rome was left more abfolute and uncontrouled in the Weft 5 2 . And the Bifhop of Confiantinople fet up againft him for the Primacy in the Empire : At firft he claimed but an Equality, but afterward a Priority as V ri- ver fat Hi/hop, becaufe his Seat was the Imperial Seat. The Patriarch of Jerufalem was fo far from the Court, and of fo Imall power, that he made the leaft ftir of any of the five, though he had the faireft pretenfe incompa- rably for a claim of Supremacy on Religious reafons, if a supreme there muft have been ( cbrift himfeif having been there a Minifler to the Circumcifion^ and Shepherd of C97) of the Sheep of the Houie of ifrael, and his Kinfman James then Biihop after, and that being the Mother- Church out of which fprung all the reft.) But the other four Patriarchs (etpecially three of them) became as fo many Generals of Armies militating frequently againft each other : and he that got the flronger Party of Biihops and Court-favourers carryed all, againft the reft. But no place more turbulent, nor no Biihop more unquiet than thole of Alexandria : Pride and Worldlinefs now grew apace, and (o corrupted the Clergie, that in their Synods the flefl)ly part too oft prevailed againft the fiiri- tuall When Court and Councils were tor the Arnans, the whole Eaftern part of the Empire was embroiled in the Contention, and the .Orthodox in the greater Biihop- ricks caft out : When they were down and caft out them- felves, the temporizing and turbulent Biihops ufually got the Major Vote : Excellent Gregory Na.zianz,en for the great fervice that he had done againft die Arrians was chofen by the People, and made Patriarch of Con- ftxntinoyle \ But the Synod of Biihops envyed him and re- jefted him, to whom he gave place and would not ftrive. Diofcoru* of Alexandria and his party fought it out at the General Council, and killed Flavians : And being after overcome and outed of his Seat, did ftill claim and keep the Title with his followers, and the moft of his Patri- archate of the People ftuck to him $ Co that he propaga- ted his Opinion and Intereft in all thofe remote parts of the Empire : Yea among Volunteers in Ethiopia and other extra-imperial parts, which no Law or Canon had fubjecled to him ; while the Patriarch that fucceeded him by the Councils Decree, had his party only as the reft, -within the Empire : So that to this day the Syrians, Ethiopians, and abundance others profefs themfelvcs the N follow- r?8> followers of Diofcoru* as the true Bifhop injuriously, fay they, caftout. cbryfofiome afterwards was caft out of his Patriarchate of tonjtA vtimple, by a Synod of Bifhops and the Court. At Rome the Biiliopiick was liich a prey, that con- tending for it troubled the Publick Peace:At the choice of Damajus they fought it out in the Church, and his party won that facrcd Field, leaving many Carcafles there to the Church-Communion of the dead. But it became the greet advantage of Rome, that when the Empire was divided, the Weftern Emperour proved Orthodox while the Eaftern were oft Arrians : Which kept up the honour of the Weftern Biihops who had not the temptations of the Eaft ; where fliarp perfections and the defolation of their Flocks, and the boaftofthe Arrians as the Major part, that was alio fetled by Au- thority, caufed the ejected Bifhops fometime to folicite them of the Weft for help, by lending them fome to ac- quaint the Arrians that their Caufe was owned by the Weftern Bifhops, or to put fome Countenance on their depreiled Caufe ( and indeed the Weftern Emperour did refcue them.) This occafioneth the Papifts to this day to pretend that this was an Acl: of their fubjeclion to the Pope : St. Baft I was the chief in this folicitation, and you {hall read his words ( Translated.) " Verily the manners of -proud men ( fpeaking of the " Weftern Bifhops ) ufe to grow more infolent^ if they be * honoured : And if God be merciful to us^ what other ad- ■> H - : So had Cyprian and Pirmilian againft Stephen : Hilary Pt&arj, with Liberia and the Councils, even that of Nice : But mod notable was the fhirp Conteft of the Carthage Council, of which Augujrine was one, againft Zq\".wm^ and Boniface and Celeflwe ; when the Pope falfly alledg- ed a Canon of the Nicene Council for Appeal to Rome y they denyed his claim, and evinced the forgery, and flood it out againft him to the laft. I. And here you may fee that they took not the Pope's Power to be of God (jure divino: ) For they fearched only all the Archives to find out the true Copes of the Ni- cene Council^ ( Pifanns Canons being not then made 5 ) and did not go to the Scripture to decide the Cafe, nor to Tradition Apofholical^ only pleading Church-L,aws and Or- der as on their fide. And that they never dreamt of a Divine Infiitution of this Romtn Papacy or Primacy, but only -as the Arch- Bilhopof Canterbury in England hath precedency by s it fufflceth, that the Bifhop of Rome is S. Peter'* Succeffor, and this all the Fathers teflifje, and all the Catholick Church believeth : But whether it be jure divino or huma- XlO is no point of Faiths] Anf. 1 . Is not that a point of your Faith which the General Councils affirm ? at lead of your Religion ? Who can tell then what is your Faith ? 2. If an bijloric and would have all Christi- ans do the like, on pain of damnation. II. And IF. And as the Roman Primacy was but of Man's devi* [info fo I next prove, that it was but over one Emi ire, w\\~ Jefs any Neighbours for their own advantage did after- ward voluntarily fubject themfelves. i. Becaufe the Powers that gave him his Primacy, extended but to the Empire. The Emperour and his Subjects ruled not other Lands. 2. Becaufe the four other Patriarchs,made by the fame Power, had no power without the Empire : As appeareth by the distribution of their Provinces in the Council of Nice, and afterward : P/fan/us Canons we regard not, that take in Ethiopia, Obj. The Abaflins now receive theit chief Bifiop from the Patriarch ^Alexandria. That proveth not that ever they were under Rome : For there is not the leaft proof that ever they did fo, till Diojcoru-s and his Succeffors feparated from Rome y being rejected by them as Hereticks, and by long and flow de- grees enlarged their power over many Neighbour Vo- lunteers. 3. Becaufe the General Councils in which the Pope pre- sided, were but of the Empire. And the Popes neve* claimed a more general extenfive power then, than the Councils-. Who indeed with the Emperours made the Papacy in its firft irate. 4. Becaufe when the Patriarch of Confiantinople claim- ed the Primacy, yea called himfelf Universal Rifbep^. which Gregory fharply reprehendeth as Antiehri{tian,yet he never claimed the Government of the whole Ghrifri- an World, but only of the Empire. And in all their Contefts there is no intimation of any fucb different Claim of the Competitors, as if Rome claimed all the world, and Conflantinopfe but the Empire, or Romm- World:. World : Their Conteft was about the fame Churches or Circuit, who (hould be Chief. 5. The Initances of the feveral Countries that were never under the Pope, do prove it : Even the great Em- pire of AfaffiA) and all the reft for. -named without the Empire. Of which and the Exception more under the next. III. The General Councils were all ib called only in re- fpe&to the generality of the Empire, nnd not as of all the Chriftian World 5 which was never dreamed of. Proved, 1. Becaufe theEmperours that called them {Conflan- tine^ Martian, crc.) had no power owe of the Empire. 2. There is no credible Hiftory ;hat mentioneth any further call 5 much lefs of all the Chriftian World. 2. It was the Affairs only of the Empire that the Councils judged of, as is to be {qgo. in all their Ca- nons. 4. The Names of the Bifhops yet to be Teen, as Sub- fcribers, fully prove it. 5. It was not a thing probable, if poflible, that the Indians, Per/tans, and other Nations, mould fend their Bifhops into the Roman Empire, which was ufually at War with them, or dreaded and detefted by them. 6. Theodore t's forefaid words of James Bifhop of Ni- fibis fheweth it [that he was at the Council if Nice, for Nifibis w.ts then under the Roman Em fir- ~\ 7. I have oft cited the words of Reyneriw, faying, that the outer Churches planted by the Apoftles were not under the Church of Rome. 8. The executive part neither could, nor ever was per- formed upon the Churches without the Empire. When did any Patriarch, or any Provincial, or General Coun- cil Os) cil fend for any Bifhop or other perfon out of India, Scy- thia, Ethiopia, or any other exterior Nation > to anfwer any Accufation ? or pafs any Sentence of Depofition, or Sufpenfion againft them ? or put any other into their places ? p. General Councils are confeffed by Papifls to be but a Humane and not a Divine Infitution : and what Hu- mane Power could fettle them in and over the Church Univerfal? If you fay It is by Univerfal Consent • prove to us that ever there was fuch a Confent, or that ever there was any meeting or treaty for fuch Conient, of all the Chriftian World, and we will yield it to you. Surely if there be any Chriftians at the Antipodes they were not fent to in thofe days when Lac? antics, Augufiine, and others, denyed that there were any Antipodes , and derided it * nor when the Pope by our Countryman Boniface his Instigation excommunicated VirfiHm for holding that there were Antipodes. Hear their great difputer Pigbi- /#, Hierarch. EccleJ. lib. 6. c. I . fol. 230. [ General Coun- cils ( faith he ) have not a Divine or Supernatural Origi- nal, but meerly an Humane Original , and are the Inven- tion of Conltantine M Prince ; profitable indeed [omc 'times to find cut in Controverfie which is the Orthodox and Cathc- lick Truth, though to this they are not nece[[ary y feeing it is a readier way to advife with the Apoflolick Seat. 3 So that General Councils are Novel, Humane, and only of the Empire then. 10. But to end all the Controverfie, the names of the Subfcribers are yet to be feen, who were not therepre- fentatives of the Chriftian World, but of the Empire, as is notorious. *AineM Sylvim Epift. 288. faith that [ before the Coun- cil of Nice there w.ts little re [pec? bad to the church of O Rome!] (io6) Rome.'] And though when he was made Pope, Intereft caufed him to revoke his judgment of the Councils being above the Pope, he never revoked fuch hiftorical narra- tives. Their great Learned Mathematical (yet militant) Car- dinal C a' anus li. de Concord. Cathol. c. 13. ejrc. lakh [] that the Pxpacie is but of Pofitive right ^ and that Priejh are jure Divino eqtial, and that it is fubjccriona/ Confent which giveth the Pope and Bijhops their Majority^ and that the dilinffion of Diocefes, and that a Bifhop be over Presbyters are of Pofitive Rights and that chrifl gave no more to Peter than the reft ; and that if the congregate Church jhou/d chufe the Bjhop of Trent for their Pre ft dent and Head) he \hould be more properly Peter*/ Succejjor than the Bishop of Rome.] Object. Oh but this Book ts difallorved by the Pope. Anfrv. No wonder : So is ail that is againft him. The Exceptions which we grant are thefe. u There were fome Cities of the Empire that were near to other Nations, where the Princes being Heathens, Chriftians were underlings and few : And the Bifhops of thefe Ci- ties extended their care to as many of the Neighbour Countries as would voluntarily fubmit to them : So the Biihop o&Tomys was Bifhop of many Scythians^ and fo fome that were on the Borders of Perfta> had many Per- fans, and were at Nice. 2 . There were fome Countries that were fometimes under the Roman Power, and fometime under the Perfian^ or others, as Victory carried it 9 and thefe when they had been once of the Imperial Church, took it (when they fell under Heathens) to be their Honour, Strength, and Priviledge to be fo accounted ftill, and fo would come to their Councils after if they could: So it was with (io 7 ) with the Armenians 5 and the Africans, when the Cothes had conquered them, ejr c. 3. There were fome Bifhops that lived on the Borders of the Empire, under Heathens, that needed the help of Neighbour Churches, and accordingly were oft with them, craving their help : So it was with the old Bri- tans^ as to the Bifhops of France. 4. There were fome fmall Countries adjoining to the Empire, who took the Friendship of the Roman Power for their great Honour and fafety, and therefore were glad to conform in Religion to the Empire, and to let their Bilhops join with them. 5 . And there were fome Neighbour Countries who were turned to Chriltianity by the Emiifaries of the 3i- fliopof Rome ^ who therefore (rejoicing alfo in fo pow- erful a Patronage) were willingly his Subjects : But this was long after the firft great Councils. Thefe two lafh were the Saxons cafe in England. Accordingly you may fometimes find two or three out of fuch Countries at fome of the General Councils of the Empire. Which yet were called General but as to the Empire^ and not as to the World. To proceed in the Hiftory : When Chriftians were (moftlyj exempted from the Magiftrates Judicatures (that were moft Heathens, though under a Chriftian Prince,) and fo the Bijhops Canons were to them, as the Laws of the L tnd are to us, it is no wonder that Councils muft then be very frequent, and Canons of great efteem 5 and hereupon Bimops byprofperity growing more and more worldly and carnal, made uie of their Synodical Power, as is aforeiaid, to accomplilh their own Wills: So that the Synods of Bilhops became the great Incen- di.uies and Troublers of the Empire. You need no more O 2 to to fatisfie you of this, but to read the A&s of the Coun- cils, and the words of Nazianzen (called Theologus ) againft Synods and contentious Bilhops, and the fad Ex- clamations of Hillary Pictav, They that had too little zeal againft Ungodlinefs, Unrighteouihefs, Pride, and Ma- Jice, were lb zealous againft any that withdrew from their Power and contradicted them, that they eafily ftig- matized them for Hereticks, and made even godly fober Chriftians fufpetfted of Herefie for their fakes ; while no- torious Vice was ufed gently in thofe that adhered unto them. Even holy Auguftine faith [Drunkennefs is a, mortal fin^ ft fit ajjidua^ if it be daily or conflant ; (what, not elle ? ) and that they mufl not be roughly and /larfsty dealt with^ but gently and by fair words .*] Vid. Aquin. 22. q. 150. a. 1.4. ad 4. & a. 2. 1. And their Great Gregory Q That with leave the) muft be left to their own wit^ (or difpofition,) left they grow worfe if they be fulled away jrom juch a Cuftom^ ] (as Drunkennefs.) But when it came to fuch as withdrew from under them, they were not fo gentle. Lucifer Calaritanm is made the Head of a Herefie, becaufe he was but too much againft the receiving of fuch as had been Arrians. The large Catalogues of Herefies contain many that ne- ver erred in Fundamentals. They profecuted the Prifcil- lianifts fo hotly^ that if godly men were but given to faft- ing and ftrictnefs of life, they "were brought into fufpicion of Pnfcillianifm : And the Vulgar took advantage of the Bifhops turbuleney and ill difpofition to abufe the godly. S. Martin therefore feparated from the whole Synod of the Bilhops about him, and neither would join with them, nor have any Communion with them, as fuppofing them proud men that fupprefled piety, and Strengthened the wicked, wicked, by their intemperate profecution : Whereupon they fui petted and accufed him alfo as an unlearned Fel- low, and a Favourer of the Prifcillianifts. They did not only bring in the ufe of the Magiftrates Sword in Re- ligion againft Hcrefie^ which Martin could not bear, but they owned and flattered an ufurping Emperour, that they might have the help of his Sword to do their work : So that in all thole parts of France, Germany, and the Borders of Italy, I find not a Bilhop that refufed to own the Uiurper, fave S. A?nbrofc % and Martin, and one French Bifhop : And Sulfititis Severtu tells us that they were men too bad themielves., and that upon his Know- ledge V^c/;/.? the Leader of them fcarce cared what he faid or did. S. Cyril at Alexandria is noted by Socrates as the firft Bilhop there that ufed the Sword ; and his Kinfman S. Thcophilm went beyond him, and took upon him even to favour the Errour of the Anthropomorphites, that he might have their help againft fuch as he hated, and pro- fecuted Chry[o(iom till he had procured his ejection, which made a rupture in that Church, and caufed the feparation of his Adherents, whom the Bifhop would have taken • for a new Seel:, and called them Joannites • fuch skill had the domineering fort of Prelates in making and mul r tiplving Herefies and Seels >, and calling themielves ftill the Catholick Bifhops becaufe they kept the upper hand, and major Vote, except where the Arrians over-topt them, who then claimed the Catholick Title to them- fel ves. And by what Arts fome of them kept the favour of the Emperours, to do their work and keep up their greatnefs, Socrates tells you in the inftance of the faid S. Theophilns, who fent one before the great Battel be- tween Tbeodofuu and Eugenics another Ufurper, with two Letters, and a rich Prefent, and bid him ftay till the - Battel Cno) Bittel was over, and then give the flattering Letter and the Prefent to him whoever that got the better. But though ftill fince the world came into the Church, and the Greatnefs, Power, and Honour of Prelacy made that Office a very alluring bait to the defires of the mod worldly flefhly men, yet God kept up fome that main- tained their integrity, and bare their teftimony againft the pride and carnality of the reft 5 and though the fcan- dals of the Catholicks turned many to the Novatians^ and other Seels that profeft more ftri&nefs, (yea Salvia* makes the Arrians^ Gothes^ and Vandals themfelves to be men of more honefty and temperance than the Ca- tholick Clergiej yet found Doctrine had ftill lbme holy Men that did maintain it. But what were the Popes doing all this while ? Sound Doctrine by the advantage of the foundnefs of the Weft- ern Emperour as is faid, yet kept out Arrianifm, Pelagia- nifme and fuch other Herefies there : but they were ftill ftriving to be the Great eft : Leo one of thebeft of them was one of the firft that laid claim to an Univerlal Head- ship within the Empire : I told you how Zoftmm and his Followers ftrove with the Africans^ to have Appeals made to Rome from the African Bifhops and Councils : which the Africans ftifly oppofed as contrary to the Ca- nons, to Cuftom, andtothereafonofDifcipline, which required that Cafes mould be judged and ended where perfons and things were known, and not by Strangers a- fiir off, where Witnefles could not without intolerable charge and trouble be brought beyond Sea to profecute the fuite. The words of the African Council tranflated are thefe: £ cc Let your Holinefs, as befeemeth you, repel the " wicked refuges of Presbyters and the Clergie that follow " them, becaufe this is not taken from the African Church by Cm) "by any definitions of the Fathers, and the Nicene D cC creesdid mod plainly commit both the inferior Cfc 4C and the Biihops themfelves, to the Metropolitans : 1 " they did moft prudently and molt juftly provide th.it "all bufinefs iliould be ended in the very places \\ here cc they began, and the Grace of the Holy Ghoft will do u the cruel murderer of Mauritius give the Title to the Bilhop of Rome : But that no whit ended the con- teft, following Emperors being contrary minded, and the Greeks continuing their Claim, the Biftiops of Rome and Constantinople excommunicating one another ; fo that by this abominable ftriving which lhould be the Chief or Greateft, the Churches that were of old in the Empire have been divided, and Co they continue to this very Day, as unreconcileable as ever. And when Gregory fent his EmifTary hither to Preach to the Saxons, they found the Chriftian Britans and Scots not only avcrfe to the Government, Orders, and Ceremonies of Rome (fo that in many Kings Reigns neither words nor force could make them yield) but alfo fuch as refufed their Communion , and would not fo much as eat and drink with them in the fame houfe. No wonder then that Marinarius at the Council of Trent complain, that the church is [hut up in the Corners of Europe: and that Sonnius Bilhop of Antwerp &y(Demcnj?r. Relig. Chri[U li. 2 . Tract. 5 . c. 3 .) £ / pray you what room hath the Catholick Church now in the habitable world ?] Scarce three Elns long in comparison of the vajlnefs which the Satanical church doth pofjefs. . The truth is, faith Brierwood, Divide the known world (and alas how much is unknown ?) into thirty parts, and about nineteen are Heathens, and fix Mahometans, and five five Christians of 'all forts: And ofthefe Chriftians the Papifts at this day are as fome think about a fifth part, fome think a fourth part, and fome think a third part. And after the afTuming of the Universal Title, their Popes more and more degenerated to fuch odious wicked- nefs at laft as we hope few Pagans are guilty of: which we fpeak, not as from Enemies, but from their own Hiftorians and Flatterers , fuch as Platina, Ba- roniw, Genebrard, ejrc. Nay, not fo much from them as from Councils General and Provincial which have ao cufed, condemned, and depofed them. Read in my Key for Catholicks pag. 220, 221, 222. the words of Bxro- nin<, Gencbrard, Platina : CL. Efpenfatts, Com. Afuffj Gmcciardine, &c. Nic, Clemangis, Bernard, Alv. Pelagi- m lay more. Let any impartial man but read the Articles on which the Council at Confiance condemned and de- pofed John 23. about 70 in number, in which they make him almoft as bad as a man out of Hell can be, and indeed fay, he was commonly called, [The Devil incarnate.'} Read the Articles on which the Council at Baft/ con- demned and depofed Eugenius the Fourth as a perjured Wretch, an obftinate Heretick, and all the reft. Read the Articles on which another Council depofed John 13. dim 12. And read the Lives of many more in their own Hiftorians. And what came the church to when it had fuch Heads? when "Baroniw faith, ad an. 912. that [the face of the holy Roman Church wis exceeding filthy : when the mift Potent ivhores did rule at Rome, by whofe pleafure Seats mere changed, Bijhops were given, and which is a thing horrid to be heard, and not to be fpoken, their Lovers were thrufl intoVtXexs Chair, being falfe Popes, who are not to he written in the Catalogue of the Roman Popes, but only for P 2 ' the •the marking of fuch times : And rvhat kind of Cardinals^, Priefls, and Deacons, think you, we malt imagine^ that thefe Monfers did chuje, when nothing isfo rooted in Na- ture as for every one to beget his like.~] For near 150 years, faith Genebrard, about .fifty Popes were rather Apo- flatical than Apofolical."] And where was their uninterrupted Succeffion all this time ? Pope Nicolas in his Decretals Caranz. p, 393. Jpj) faith ■[ He that by Money or the favour of Men, or Popu- lar or Military Tumults is intruded into the ApoJIolical Seat, without the Concordant and Canonical Election of the Cardinals and the following religious Clergy, let him not Retaken for a Pope nor Apoflolical, but Apofiatical,"} And of the Clergy he faith £ Priefls that commit Fornication cannot have the honour of Priefihood • ] Yea, £ Let no M.an hear Mafs of a Priefl whom he certainly knoweth to have a Concubine or woman introduced^ (And (hall not Protestants forgive thofe that will not hear fuch, or as bad ?) Where then was the Papacy under fuch ? For above forty years together there were more Popes than one at once, and fometimes more than two, one dwelling at Rome, and another at Avignion, or el fe where : One fet up and obeyed by one Party, and another by ano- ther Party, each condemning the other as an Uiurper. And had the Univerfal Church then any one Head ? And with what wickednefs are they charged, one deftroy- ing what the other was for 5 fee in wernerus FafciaL and my Key p. 28, 29 30. wernerus and others fay, that SilveHer the fecond was made Pope by the help of the Devil to whom he did homage, that all might go as Ik would have it — but ke quickly met with the End that fuch have that place their hope in de- ceitful (."7) eeaful Devils^ When one Pope cuts another in pieces* and cafteth his Carcafs into the Water, as unworthy of Chriftian Burial ( as you may find in the Lives of For- mofut and Sergio ) muft we yet fuppofe fuch the Law- ful Rulers of the World ? The fourteenth Scheme (faith wcrnerus) w.ts fcanda- lous And full of confufion, between Benedict the Ninth and five others : which Benedict was wholly vitious, and there- fore being damned, Appeared in a monftrous and horrid \hape, his Me Ad And Tail were like An Afles, the rejl of his Body like a Bear, faying^ I thus appear becaufe I lived tike a Be aft. In this Scheme (faith the Author) there was no lefs than fix Popes at once, i . Benedict was expulfed. 2. Silvefter the Third gets in, but is caft out again, and Benedict reft or ed. 3. But being again cafi out, Gregory the Sixth is put into bis place : who becaufe he was ignorant of Letters > caufed another Pope to be Confe crated with him y to perform Church- Offices, which was the fourth : which difpleafed many, and therefore a third is chofen inftead of the two that were fighting with one another : But Henry ( the Emperour ) coming in, depofed them all, And chofe Clement the Second, ( who was the fixth of them that were alive at once.) In my Opinion this Gregory the Sixth fhewed himfelf the honefteft Man of them all : Who though he could not read himfelf had the humility by chufing a Partner to confefs his ignorance. And I am perfwaded if the queftion had come before him, which was the trueft Translation of the Hebrew or Greek Text, or fuch like, the Man would fcarce have pretended to Infallibility in judging. The nineteenth Schifme, w.ts be- tween Innocent the Second and Peter Leonis, and Inno- cent ( faith the Author ) got the better becaufe he had more on his fide .] A good Title no doubt J and thence a good Succeflion. The (n8) The twentieth Schifme ( faith PWrnerus ) w.ts great between Alexander the Third and four other s^ and it /aft* ed feventeen years. After Nicolas the Fourth ( faith he ) there was no Pope for two years and a half ( where was the Church then ? ) and Celeftine the fifth that face ee died him reftgning it, Bo- niface the Eighth entered, that filed himself Lord of the whole World in Spirituals and Temporals • of whom it was faid, he entered as a Fox, lived as a Lyon^ and dyed like a. Dog. I have as good hope of the falvation of Celefine the Fifth and Felix the Fifth as any two of them,becaufe as they were drawn in as fimple Men in ignorance, fo their refignation fhewed fome hope that they repented. The 22. Scheme (faith jvc merits ad an. 1373.Jw.tt the vcorfl and mofl fubtil Scheme of all that were before it : for it w \is fo perplexed that the mo ft Learned and Conscientious Men were not able to find out to whom they Jhould adhere : And it wis continued for forty years to the great fcandalof the whole Clergie, and the great lofs of Jouls, becaufe of Her e fie s and' other evils that then fprung up, becaufe there Was no dijcipline in the Church againft them. And there* fore fr 9m this Urban the Sixth to the time of Martin the Fifths J know not who was Pope. ] (Nor I neither : nor any one elfe I think). . The twenty third Schifme, was between Felix the Fifth and Eugenim the Fourth, of which faith Werner us £ Hence arofe great contention among the Writers of this Matter, pro & contra, and they cannot agree to this day : For one part faith that a Council is above the Pope • the ether fart on the contrary faith, no, but the Pope is above the Council : God grant his Church Peace, &c.~] The Chri- ftian World being all in Divifions becaufe of fidings for theie feveral Popes, the Emperours were conftrained to call (up) call General Councils to end the Schifmes : That at Co*> fiance thought they had done the Work ; but they left Work enough for that at Bafil, and more than they could do : When they found not a fit Man among die Clergy, they chofe a Lay-man to be Pope, the Duke of s.noy, a Man noted for honeft Simplicity and Piety, and called him Felix the Fifth : But EugeniM, who was caft out by the Council for his wickednefs, kept the place, and made the Duke glad to refign and leave the Popedome. Should I ftay to tell you after the Barbarous Age goo, what work the Popes made in the World, how many thoufand they forced to death upon the Wars at Jerufa- lem • how many fcore thoufand waldenjes and Albigen- fes they Murdered •, How they forced Kings to kifs their Feet, and trod on the Neck of Frederick the Emperour : How they divided the Empire by a Rebellious War a- gainft theEmperours Henry the Third and Fourth •, And how they Armed their Subjects and Neighbours againft them, yea the Emperours Son againft his own Father ; And how the Writers of thofe times are divided, and open the lamentable Divifions of the Ages in which they lived ; What work they made here againft the Kings of England, 5 and what pafled between Boniface the Eighth and the King of France, and the Coin on which he Stam- ped his Reiolution to destroy Babylon, &c. you would little think that either Holin efs oxVnity were any Pro- perty of the Roman Church. Qu. But if moft did not favour them, horv did they af- cend to [o great power ? Anf. i. The old Name of the Imperial Rome, and the Popes Primacic in the Empire, kept up a Veperation for him in the ignorant. 2. The -Eaftern Emperours feated at &*$$** inople were fo ta- ken up wish Wars, Rebellions, and other Difficulties at ( 12©) at home, that they could not take fufficient care of the Weft 5 but left the Popes too much advantage to grow great:and wickednefs alfo increafing among them(though the Princes prelence kept their Patriarchs in more order and fubmiflfion, than the Popes that were become mafter- lefs) provoked God to give them up to be conquered by the Mahometan Turks : And by the Ambition of the Popes, the Emperours wanted the due affiftance of their Weftern Subjects, to refift their Enemies. And the Pope took the advantage of the Eaftern Emperours weak- neis, to lead the Weft into a fettled Rebellion, offering theKingoffr*/^ the Weftern Empire, which he em- braced, the Pope making his Bargain with him for his own advantage. 3. And in the Wars ©f Chriftian Princes, the Pope ufed to obtrude his Arbitration, in fuch a manner as tended to his gain: fothat he fhortly got to be a temporal Prince of a great part of //a/y, and to have Crowns and Kingdoms made feudatary to him. 4. And he got Germapy to be broken into fo many fmall Republicks and Liberties, as that they were not able to unite to refift him. 5. And he took great advantage of the religious humours of any that were devout,and allow- ed them fo many and various Societies, and with fo great Priviledges, as obliged them generally to uphold and ferve him : Though he cruelly perfecuted all that were againft ■ his Power and Intereft, yet he allowed almoft all the Di- verfities of fuch as would but unite in him and ferve him. 6. And as he fo twifted his own and all his Clergies Inter- eft, that they were all ready to obey and defend him a- gainft their fe veral Princes, and thereby had a great pow- er in every Chriftian State in Europe, io, keeping all his Clergie unmarryed, their wealth ftill accumulated and flowed into the Church : And the Eaftern Empire being firft weakned and then overthrown, and the Weftern Nations kept weak, and in continual Wars againft each othgr, there was none well able to refift his Pride, but one party ftill was ready to flatter him, partly to keep their own Clergy in Peace, and partly to have his help againft their Enemies. And the grand Cheat by which they were commonly deceived was, that they lookt more at his prefent poftefli- on of Primacie, than at the reafon and right by which he claimed it •, and fo he that had been Prime Patriarch in one Empire, fet up by the Prince, ftill claimed the right of the fame places when the Empire was diflblved ; as if the Subjects of the Kings oi France, Spain, &c. muft obey him, becaufe they did fo when they were the Sub- jects of Conft.wtine, Tkcedofiw, Valentinian &c. For by little and little he changed his Title mentioned in the Council ofca/ceden, into a pretended Divine Right, and fo they that would not have obeyed him as let up by Cxjar and his Councils, obeyed him as if he had been fet up by God : For the name of St. Peter and his Chair and Succeffour was ufed as the common blind. And next to that he did by degrees change his claim of a. Primacie in the Empire into a claim of Primacie in all the world : and his claim of a meer Primacie, into a claim of Sever aignty, or Governing Monarchy. If you ask me, how could he blind Men fo far as to make luch a change ? You feem not to know Man-kind, nor to obferve common experience. Do younotconfi- der what power the Clergie had every where got with the People ? What an advantage pofleflion and St. Pe- ters name were? And how lamentably ignorant they kept the People ? Do we not lee that even in our more knowing times, yea among Proteftants, yea with fome Q^ Divines, (122) Divines^ the evident diftinction between their Humane Right and their pretended Divine Right, and between an Univerfal Council or Church of the Empire, and of the ■whole wcrl-i, have not been fufficiently obicrved in our Difputes agiinft them ? And the additional Countries of voluntary Subjects in Brittain, Hungary, Sweden, Denmark) &c. which of later times, fince his Imperial Primuie, have fallen in to him, have much helped to blind the people herein, and fo ferve his Claim as by Divine Right. For which ends his Emiflaries have taken great pains, at the Eaft and Weft Indies, in China, and 'japan and Congo, (and once they made an attempt in Abaffta, ) and among the Greeks and in many ocher Nations of the World $ lau- dably leeking to win fome Heathens to Chrift, that they might win them to the Pope ; and turbulently feeking to difturb the Greeks and other Chriftian Churches, to draw them to the obedience of the Pope. The Doctrines by which they promote their defign are more than I may now fray to open. I. One of the chief is, by deprefling the Honour of the facred Scriptures, as inefficient to acquaint us with all Gods will that is necellary to our falvation, without fup- flemental Tradition • that fo all men might be brought to depend on them as the Keepers of Tradition. But i. Is their Tradition yet written in any of their ewn 5^'/, or not? If not, where are they kept? And who knoweth what they are ? Is it not ftrange that fo many Doctors in fo many Ages, all remembring them, Would none of them ever write them down ? Are they in the Memcry of the Pope only ? ( What of thole that could not read, or that were condemned as Hereticks or Infidels ? ; Then all the World muft receive them from the J 0*3) the Popes Memory. If fo, muft it be mrd cr writi*g ? And had he no Memory of them before he was Pope? But if it be in other Mens Memories that your unwritten Traditions are kept, in whofe is it ? If in all the Do&ors of your Church, why did not Luther^ Metanclhon, Pet. Martyr{w& the reft that turned from you, know them ? Or did they fuddenly forget them all when they turn- ed Protectants ? And how vaft muft your neceflary Religion be, if yet it muft have more in it unwritten, than is to be found in all your great Volumes of Coun- cils, and your huge Library ? But I fuppofe you will fay that all your unwritten Tra- ditions are novo written : If fo, they are not unwritten : And how long have they been written, and by whom ? If Fathers and Sons could keep them unwritten in me- mory a thoufand years, why not noo, and why not 1600? &c t "If they were written in the beginning, where be the Books ? Are they not fuch as other Christi- ans can read and underftand as well as you, for an illite- rate Pope ? ■) If there be a neceflity of having them in writing now, was there not the fame neceflity to former Ages? 2. I fuppofe you will fend us to your Councils fo'rthbfe Traditions : But if the Bilhops know them not before they come to the Council, how do they begin to know them then ? Do they go thither for a new miraculous Revelation of an old Tradition left with the whole Church J 1 . But do not Councils oft determine things confefled- !y uncertain to the Church before ; and yet out of utter uncertainty, it fuddenly becometh an Article of Faith ? Fprlnfcmcfc, the great Council at is ft I faith ( Bin. fefs. 36. />. 80. ) [ ct A hard Qiieftion hath been in divers parts Q^z "and r«4) " and before this Synod, about the Conception of the: * c glorious Virgin Mary, and the beginning of her San&i- " fication : Some faying that the Virgin and her Soul was f* forfome time, or inftant of time, actually under Origi- " nal Sin : Others on the contrary faying, that from the " beginning of her Creation God loving her gave her "Grace, by which prefer ving and freeing, that blefled " Perfbn from the Original Spot — We having diligently ct lookt into the Authorities and Reafons which for many cc years paft have in publick relation on both fides been " alledged, before this holy Synod, and having feen ma- ," ny other things about it, and weighed them by ma- " ture confkleration, do Define and Declare, That the Do- , Catholick Fakn, right Rea- ," fon, and facred Scripture : and that henceforth it fhall " be lawful for no Man to Preach or Teach the con- "trary. Where was this Tradition kept before, that was fo hard a Controverfie till now ? 2. And do not General Councils bring in Novelties I I cited formerly the words of cajttan in his Oration in the Council at the Later ane under Leo 10. charging the Council of Cwflanee^ Bafil and Pifa with Novelty, and fuch Novelty as would have quite defaced the Church and was inconfiftent with it. And Pighius chargr eth them with the like- Yea I told you before where he faith that General Councils, themfelyes are a Novelty de- vifed by Conftantint. 3. Be 0»5) 3. Be not General Councils themfelves approved or reprobated at the pleafure of the Pope? What a num- ber of reprobated Councils were there r that yet were as numerous as the approved, and as lawfuly called and afiembled. Bellarmine inftanceth in the x. of Epkefa T Conjiance, bAJit, and many more : Of which more be- fore. II. Another of their deceits is by pretending to Vine. Lerinenfis Rule, quod ab omnibus^ ubique, (emper^ &c. as if Antiquity and Universality were on their fide. I mull remember that I have long ago confuted thefe and the reft of their deceits in my Key for Catholicks :. Yet I will briefly fpeak here to thefe two. 1. For Antiquity we willingly ftand to it, and to-the rejecting of all Novelty in Religion : But we mufthave better proof than the word of our Grand-fathers, or a Prieft. 1. Is any of their Books or Traditions elder than the holy Scripture? 2. Either the Greeks, Armenians^ AbajJineS) ejre. have been fure Keepers of Antiquity^ or not : If yea, then we may take their Teftimony as well as the Church of Romes. If not, why may not you: prove as ill Keepers of it as they ? 3. But are they not certain Novelties that you would' impofeonus under the colour ofc Antiquity ? Read bur Pet. Moulin de Nov it. Papifmi, or Mr. Tlu Doelitt/es Dif- courfe in the Morning Lettures against Popery, and you fhall fee the Novelty of your Religion fully proved. Take, now but thefe few inftances. 1 . Your very Patriarchate , , Primacie y Claim of Univerfality, General Conncils,, arc all proved Novelties before. 2. Your own Writers confefs that the denying the. People Cbrijts Blood (or the Cup) in. the Lords Supper is, a Novelty, that prevailed by Coftorn by litde and little^: and. and was not common long before the Council at Con- (lantt.: Dare you ky tbat it) was ib from the beginning, or ofold? 3. Can you poflibly believe that your forbidding men to read the Scriptures m a known Tongue without a Licence is not a Novelty, if eve*?, you read Chryjojlom, Augujline, Jerome-, or any thing of the Ancients ? 4. Is it not a Novelty fori the piiMick Prayers/- of {the Church to be ordinarily made in a Tongue notunder- ftood by the generality of the People ? But I muft flop. 2. And as to Umverfality I have before proved, 1 . That by their own Confeflion moft of the Churches and Bi- fhopsofthe World have been againft them. 2. That at this daythey are not above the third part of Chrifti- ans. Too fmall an Univerfal Church for any man of Charity and Confideration to be a member of: A Se£t that call themfelves I All the: Church, Jacob, a Vitr, Hijlor. Orient. Cap. 77. tells us that, the Churches in the Eaflerly part 0/Afia alone exceeded \in multitude both the Greek and Latine churches. As for their telling us that all thefe followed Diofcorus a Heretick, or were Neftorians, and that all the Aba[- Jines, Armenians, Georgians, Syrians, Coptics, Greeks, Protectants, &c. are Hereticks, or Schifrrtaticks, I have anfwered it fo oft at large that I muft not repeat what I havefaid. Only, 1 . 1 fay that if the Cenfures and Re- vilings of Adversaries can un-chriften all others, and ap- propriate th£ Church fothenv that have leaft Charity, perhaps theQiiakers may fliortly have as fair a Title as the Papifts. If General Councils be not to he believed when they &ereticate Popes 1 , I will not believe a Railer when he Hereticatesnibftidf theJChriftian World,' Whom he never few or fpake ffimJ Sti*&tost*Ban judgeth perfons unheard. unheard. 2; I repeat the words ^Burchardm one of your own, that long lived among them, and fpake what he faw,/>. 3 25, $2£. [And .is for tho[e that we judge to be damned Hcreticks^ as the Neftorians, Jacobites^ Maro- nites, Georgians, and the like, I found them to be for the mo ft part good and fimple men, and living ftncerely towards God and Men, they are of great abflinence, erf.—— And p. 324. he faith, that \_the Syrians, Greeks, Armenians, Georgians, Neitorians, Nubians, Jubcans, Chaldeans, Maronites, Ethiopians, Egyptians, and many other Na- tions of Christians there inhabit • and that fome are Scbif- maticks not fuhjecJ to the Pope, and others called Here ticks ^ as the Neitorians, Jacobites, &c. but there are miny in thefe Setts that are very fimple, knowing nothing of Here- fies ^ devoted to Chrift, macerating the Flejh with Faflinfs, and clothed with the mojl (imple Garments, fo that they fdr excel the very RELIGIOUS of the Church of Rome.} And, p. 323. of the Papiits, whom he calleth by the Name of Chriftians, as if it were proper -to them, he iaith, [There are in the Land of Promife men of every Nation under Heaven^ and every Nation hveth after their own Rites; -wd to (peak the very truth to our own oreat confuflon, there are none found in it that are worfe wd more corrupt in Manners than Chrijlians,'} ( that is, Pa- pills. ) 3. If greater Etrours and Vices than are among the Armenians, \\ Abaffines^ Syrians^ &c. will allow us to reject men from our Communion, how much more cauic lYAMiwe to renounce Communion with Popes and Papiftsthan Vvith thefe Churches ? 4. How < mi any man lay that Nations and Countries are to be rejfe&ed as Hereticks, unlefs the fingle perfoni guilty were iryed and heard ? when thete is no Herefie but • C«8) but what is in individuals, and no Law of God or Rea- fon. condemneth the innocent for the guilties faults ; much lefs all Pofterity for their Anceftors. III. But they never gain more than by aggravating the Divifions that are among other Chriftians, and boaft- ing of the Unity of their Church : And the Contentions that have been among us have given them fuch advan- tage, as that fome in the fenfe of their former guilt, ha- ving been SecVmafters themlelves, have turned Papifts, as thinking it the ftate of Union ; and having found no fettlement in thoie ways which they have tryed, becaufe they never rightly underftood the true temperament of the Chriftian Religion which they profefled, they think to find it in that way that they never tryed 5 as fick men turn from fide to fide for eafe, while the caufe of their wearinefs and pain is within them, and turneth with them. Here let the Reader note, 1. That Fools judge of Dif- ferences in Religion by the noife that it makes in the World 5 but men of Reafon judge of it by the greatness and number of the points of Difference. Verily our Differences here in England and the Neighbour Prote- ctant Churches, have fnewed in us much perfonai pee- vifhnefs, unskilfulnefs, and other faults • but in my judg- ment they are fuch as greatly commend our real concord in the fame Religion, and partly our Confcieace in valu- ing it, and being loth to lofe it. If you fee Latine Grammarians reviling one another, about the foiling or pronunciation of a word or two, and critically contending with Varro^ Ge/liu* 9 ef** rwhich is the right, when a man that never knew a word of La- tine but Welch or .Irifli, never ftrove about fuch Quefti- otis in his life 5 which of thefe will you think have more agreement (129^ agreement in their Language? I would fay that thofc men that difagree but about the pronunciation of a few words are very much agreed, in companion of a Barba- rian, that agreeth not with them in a Sentence or a Word. Even the old Schoolmen were in Language more agreed with Erajmus^ Fabcr, Hutten, and other Cri- tical Grammarians that derided them, than any illiterate man was with any of them. All Gruterus his Volumes of Grammatical Controverfies, fliew not lb much di- ftance in Language, as the peaceable filence of an un- learned man doth. And no one ftrives much about that which he doth not much care for: Countrymen can contemptuoufly laugh at Logical Difputes or Criticifms. Horfes or Oxen will not drive with us for our Gold or Jewels, Clothes or Food, as we do with one another • and yet they are not fo like us in the ejtimation of fuch things, as we are to one another. When I hear religious perfons contentioufly cenfuring each other, about lbme little points of Ceremony, Or- der, Difcipline, or Form, which are but the fimbria or the Welts and Laces of Religion, I am angry at their weaknefs and defect of love ; but I muft needs think that there is very great concord in the Frith and Religion (Objective) of thefc men, who differ about no greater matters than fuch as thefe. If men that were building a Palace would fall together by the Ears, only about the driving of a Pin, I ihould marvel at their concord that differed in no more • though I could wilh them, like wrangling Children, whipt for their folly and froward- nefs till they were quiet. The oreat things that Pro- tefiants have paltrily wrangled about, are, i. The Do- ctrinal Controverfies called ArminUn : 2. And the mu- R ters tersofDifcipline. and Ceremonies. The former I have fhewed lately in a large Volume, hath much more of verbal than of real difference, and is cherilhed by the am* biguity of words, aud the unskilfulnefs oftoomanyto diicufs thole ambiguities, and find out exactly the true ftateofthe Controverfie : It is oft but Stubble that ma- keth the greateft blaze. And as for the other, I would not undervalue the leaft things of Religion, but I will fay, that Engagement, Tatfion and worldly latere ft are magnifying Glafles to- many men, and make a Mote to feem a Beam, and a Gnat to Teem a Camel. And it is one of the Devils old Wiles, to keep men from learning of ChrinV, how to Worfhip the Father of Spirits, in fpirit and truth, by ftarting fuch Queftions, as> whether in this Mountain or at Jerusalem men. ought to wor\hip ? and to hinder godly e* difying by doting about queftions that gender ftrife. And fighting for Shoo-buckles may /lie w the quarrel fomnefs of men, but it proveth not the Greatnefs of the mat- ter. 2. Note further that though Subjective Religion (the measures of our belief, Love and Obedience) be as various as perfons are ; yet the objective Religion of all true Prot eft ants is the fame : Not only the fame in the Effentials {one God, one Saviour and Lord, one BaptifmaS Covenant, one Creed, one Spirit, one Body of Cbrift, and one Hope of Glory, Eph. 4. 4, 5, 6.) but alfo the fame ia all the Integral parts : For it is Integrally the Holy Scrip* ture which containeth all that they take (with the Law of Nature) to be the whole Law of God; and fo the Rule of Divine Faith, De fire and Duty. They may [abjective- ly have fome difference in understanding feme Texts, (as the moft JLearned and holy in the world have :) But But Objectively they have no other Divine Faith or Re- ligion. 3. And note, that the Church that Proteflants, yea Greeks^ Armenians, Syrians y Abaffines are of, are all cer- tainly one and the fame Church : For a Church is confti- tuted of the Ruling and the Ruled Parts. And they perfect- ly agree that cbrift is the only Effentiating and Univerlal Head ; In him they all unite, and contefs that there is no other. Even the Patriarch of Conflantinople^ as I have mewed, claimeth but a Primacie in the Empire, and not the Government of all the World a no not of us in England, And as for the Ruled Conftitutive part, we are agreed that it is All Baptized cbrijlians that have not apostati- zed, nor forfaken any Effential part of Chriftianity, nor are excommunicate by Power from Chrift. So that we are clearly all of one and the fame Church. But how far the Papifts differ in the Greatness and number of their Controverfies, I think to tell you a little more anon. IV. I may not ftay to fliew at large, how they vary their fliape and courfe as may fit their Intereft: How fometime they put on the perfon of Infidels or Atheifts to plead men into an uncertainty of all Religion, that they may be loofe enough to follow them into theirs ; For even fo Car, Bover'ms would have perfwaded our late King, Apparat. ad Consult. [ The firjl thing is (faith he) feeing true Religion is to be inquired after by you y that before you addrefs your [elf to Jearcb for it y you firjl have all Religions in jufpicionwith you • and that you will fo long fuffend ( or take off) your mind and will from the Faith and Religion of the Protejlants, as you arc infearcb- ing after the truth.'} R 2 Reader^ Reader, doth not this tell you whence much of our late Atheifm and Infidelity cometh, and what it tendeth to ? I tell thee not the words of a Novice, but a perfon chofen to have feduced our King, when he was Prince, in Spain. And is not this way very fuitable to the end ? How muft men become Papifts? Boverius will teach you: Firft " fufpeff all Religion, and with your very Mind and will cc ceafe to believe that there is a God, or that he is Pow- " erfull, Wife or Good, or that we are his Creatures and " Subjects, or that there is any Heaven or Hell or Life to " come, or that Chrift is not a Deceiver but a Saviour, andforbear- and exclu- fion from it y fententially ; But alfo a power of erecting Courts of 'judicature in all Kingdoms to judge of cafes about Miniflers, Temples, Tythes, Te'laments, Adminislrat on of Goods, Lawfulnefs of Marriages, Divorces and many fuch like, in a manner of Conjlraint which is proper to the Ma- giflrate : Abufively calling this the Ecclefiaftical Power in foro exteriore, di'fincl from thejacerdotal in foro interiore, cheating the world with words. Experience fully proveth this. III. For the performance of this Deceit they appropriate to Princes and other Magiprates the Titles of [CIVIL] or [SECULAR] making the World believe that as Soul And Body differ, Jo the Pope and his Clergie being Cover nours of the Soul, or in order to falvation, excel Kings and Ma. gsflrateswbo are but G over nours for bodily welfare and ci- vil Peace. Whereas C'35) Whereas indeed the difference of the Offices ofcbrijti- an Magi [ir ate s and Paftors, is not, that one is but for the Bod) and the other for the Soul* for both are to further mens Salvation, and true Religion, and the obedience of Gods Laws in order thereto: But it is in this, that Princes and Magistrates have the Power of Governing men in things Secular and Religious within their true Cognilance by the Sword, that is, by external Compulfion and Coercion y by Mulcts and Penalties forcibly execu- ted $ whereas the Paftors have only the Charge of Teach- ing men Qhrifts Doctrine, and Guiding the Church in the administration of Gods Worfhip, and by the Keys or Authority from Chrift, judging who is capable or unca- pable of Church Communion, and declaring pardon and SaLvation to the penitent for their Comfort, and the contrary to the impenitent for their humiliation ; and all this only by iVord of Month, without any Conjlrtinin* force. Proof of the Character. Pope Innoc.3. iyid.cjr Coflns Hifl. Tran[uh. p. 147, 148) [ u God made two great Lights m the Firmament of C£ Heaven, — and of the V niverfal Church ; that is y he in- cc Hituted two Dignities , which are the Pontifical Autho- cc rity and the Regal Power : But that which ruleth the " Day, that is, things [piritual, is the greateft, and that tc which ruleth carnal things is the lefs : that it may he (( known that the difference between Popes and Kings "is [itch .is is the difference between the Sun and the , < c Moon. If this were true, the Ioweft Prieft were incompara- bly more honourable- or amiable than Kings, as the Soul is more excellent than the Body : But David, Solo- mon, HezekUh, Jo ft ah, and all good Kings p did ihew that ci 3 o that Religion was the matter of their Government and the principal part of their care. Read for this fully Bilhop Bilfon of Chriftian obedience, Bifhop Buckeridge for the Magistrates Power, and Bilhop Andrews Torturx Torti • excellent difcourfes againil: the Papal Ufurpati- on. IV. The Office which he thm claimeth as over nil the Earth, is to be the Vicar of Chrifi or of Cod, or the Vice- Chrifi or Vice -God, as Kings have their Vice-Kings in re* mote Provinces, Proved. 1 have elfewhere cited the words of Popes faying, that they are Vice-chnHi and Vice-Dei, at large: And Pope Juliia's words [we holding the place of the Great God y the Maker of all things and all Larvs :] And Carol. Bo- veri/a's words, Consult, de. Rat.fidei, &c. to our late King, faying [Be fides Chrifi the Invifible Head of the Church, there is a neceffity, that we acknowledge another certain vifible Head, fubrogate to Chrijl and infkituted of him, &C.3 And Card. Betrand's .words in Biblioth. Pa- trum, that faith, Almighty God had not been wife eJfe 9 if he had not [ent One only to Govern the world under him :] And Boveriw reafon [chrifl was himfelfon Earth once a. vifible Monarch ; And if the church had need of a vifible Monarch, it hath need of one ftill."] Chrift faid that it was neceffary that he went away that the Paraclete might come, whom Tertullian calleth his Agent • But the Pa- pifts will not part with him fo, but they will have his Bedy here ftill, and yet a Vice-Chrift or vifible Monarch alfo in his ftead: See their own words^ which I have cited at large in my Anfwer to Mr. Jobn- fton. V. The fret ended ground of this his Claim is, that St, Peter Peter reeehed this power from chrift, and that St. Peter was Biflop UH at Rome, and that the Pope [ucceedeth him in his Bijhoprick, and Power, This is profefled commonly by them. But i. It isfalfe that St. Peter received any fuch Po- wer from Chrift, as to be the Governour of all the reft of the Apoftles and Chriftians in the World : He never exercifed or claimed fuch a Government, but in cafes of Controverfie Act. ij. and Gal. i,&.c. He dealethbut on equal terms with the reft. And they that laid / am of Ceph.zs, are as well rebuked as they that faid^ / am of Paul. 2 And i Cor. 12. 28, 29, &c. Apoftles are laid to be but chief Members of the Church, and Chrifl the only Head: And when the Difciples ftrove whoihould be the greateft, Chrift giveth it not to Peter , but forbid- eth it to them all : And Peter himfelf as a fellow Elder exhorteth all Elders to overfee and feed the Flock, not as Lords over the Heritage^ &c. and never claimeth a So ve- raignty to himfelf. No word mentioneth any Power that St. Peter had greater than his Apoftleflup : And Be liar mine profeffeth that the Pope hath not his power as fucceeding him in his Apoftlefliip, but as an ordinary Paftor over the whole Church. 2. There is no certainty that ever Peter was at Rome (as Nilus hath fliewed 5 ) but a humane Teftimony of ma- ny later Fathers, upon the words of uncertain Reporters before them, which are to be believed indeed as probable but no more 5 There being as great a number ofPapift Writers I think (about 60) that tell us there was a Pope Joanc, and yet it is uncertain if not leaft probable. But if he was at Rome, Apoftles were no where proper Bi- fliops. Biiliopswere the fixed Elders or Paftors of parti- cular Churches : Apoftles were moveable and Itine- S rant, C*38 ) rant, having an Indefinite Commifllon to go preach the Gofpel to all the world as far as they were able. Though the ancient Fathers ufed to call them Biihops becaufe yro tempore they Ruled (perfwafively) where they came : Though indeed their work was to fettle Churches and Biihops, and not to be fettled Biihops themfelves. 5. Paul was certainly and long at Rome, and likerto be as a Bifhop there of the two: If Paul was not one, peter was not ; for there is no more, but lefs proof of his Government there, If Paul was one, then one City had two, contrary to the old Canons. 4. There is no proof that Peters being I aft at Rome gave his Power to all or any following Biihops of Rome, any more than to the Biihops of Antioch who are faid to fucceed him in his firft Biihoprick - 7 or any more than Chrifts dying at Jerusalem, the Mother Church, did fix the Supremacie there : or any more than the other eleven Apoftles did leave their power which they had above all ordinary Biihops, to the places where they abode (either laft or firft.) If Peter s dying Biihop at Rome prove fuch a fucceflion of Univerfal Monarchy, the afore- faid Succeflions will be proved by the fame Reafon, which yet none affirm : Even Alexandria claimed but from St. Mark who was lefs than thirteen Apoftles : But no Tefta- ment of Peter declaring any conveyance of fuch a Monar- chy is pretended by the Popes (which is a wonder :) Nor any word that ever he ufed of fuch importance. j. I have lhewed that General Councils {Caked, and Conftant. ) have declared that Rome $ primacy had a later humane rife. Yet would they have exercifed no other Government than St. Peter did, the world would not have been trou- bled by them as they have been. YLTU VI. fhePupifls feem wt refo/ved. themfelves whetbe* the Pope have an Univerfal Apoff/cfiip or Teaching office, as well as the Univerjal Monarchy or Government. Though Bell ar mine fay that he fucceedeth not Peter as an Apoflle, but as a P aft or ; yet mod others that I have ieen medling with it, fay otherwife. If he fuccecd not in the Apoftlefhip, he is no true Succeflbur of St. Peter at all, in any fuperemience of Power : For what he had was as an Apoftle: If he do, then he is bound to go preach himfelf to the Nations of the world as Peter was ; To fend others to preach, and not do it him- ielfwas no Apo/llelhip: They were fent themfelves. Da- vid and Solomon fet up Priefls, and yet were themfelves no Prielh : Hezekiah and Jo (tab lent and fet up Preachers, and yet undertook not that office themfelves. VII. This Pope claimeth the fo/e Power of calling Gene- ral Councils of all the Chrifi. an world {yet never did it) And consequently of being the Judge when any \hallie call- ed) and fo whether ever there {hall be an) or not. And though former General Councils voted that they jhould be every ten years, yet he prevaileth to the contra- VIII. Alfo he claimeth the jole power of prefiding in fuch Councils, and alfo of making their Decrees either valid -by his approbation or null or invalid by his Reprobation, as he fleafe : fo that nothing that they Decree is of force but as it pleafeth him 5 whence we have diftincJ Catalogues of Ap- proved and Reprobate Councils. Yet no mortal man knoweth oftentimes how much of a Councils Afts and Decrees the Pope approveth. When Martin the fifth had confented to all done by the Coun- cil of Conjfance, the word \Conciliariter atfa~] feemcd to the Council to mean [ all that they did de facto as a. S 2 Council^ (Ho) Council."] But the Popes ever fince yet reject that Coun : cil on pretenfe that by [conaliariter~\ was meant all that dejure m a Council they might do. Gregory the firft ap- proved of the four firft General Councils, receiving them as the four Gofpels (and if his Predeceffors did not, it was becaufe their confent was not taken to be neceflary, nor much fought.) And yet now Bellarmine raileth at the Council of Calcedon^ and they tell us how much of it they receive and how much not. And fo of many others. And nothing is more evident in fuch Hiftory, than that the Emperors and not the Pope, were they that called divers of the firft Councils. IX. The Pope accordingly claimeth a fupremacy above General Councils ; that he may dijjolve them - 7 hut they cannot queflion or depofe him ; though General Councils have decreed the contrary. I recited Binnius words before, Vol. 2. p. 515. Pighius, GretJerS) Bel/armine's, and multitudes more might foon be produced to the fame fenfe ; The eighth General Council at Conftantinople faith, Can. 2 1 . that [ tc None " muft compofe any Accufations againft the Pope] Vid. tC Bellarm. de cone it. li. 2. c. 11. Saith Pighim^ Hier. Eccl. li. 6. [" The Councils oRcon- u fiance and Baft I went about by a new trick and pernicious " example to deftroy the Ecclefiaftical Hierarchy ,and in- " ftead of it to bring in the domination of a promifcuous u confufed popular multitude 5 that is, to raife again B& approved General Council to oblige aS men to believe that All theirs and all other mem fanfes and perception upon fenfe, are certainly deceived, when they think that there is real Bread and wine after Consecration : And this de- ny at of all mens Common fenfe, he hath made an Article of faiths and neceffary tofalvation. XIIL He^ hath by t ' e fame Council decreed that all thofe that do not thus far renounce all their fanfes, [hall he ex- terminated and made uncap ah le to make an) will, &c. And by other of his Laws, that they be all burnt as Hereticks 5 and delivered to that end to the fecular power, XIV. By the fame Council hs hath decreed that Tempo- rals Lords fhall take an Oath to execute this Decree, and fhall be excommunicated if they exterminate not all fuch Believers of fenfe from their dominions : And to dishonour Kings by Excommunications (whom the fifth Command- ment bids us honour) ii an act of Papal power. XV. By the fame Council he hath Decreed to depofe all temporal Lords that will not thus deflroj or exterminate their Subjects, and to give their Dominions to Papifs that will do it : So that the Popes power to depofe Princes is be- come an Article of their Religion. And in his Roman Councils Greg. 7 declareth that he hath power to take down and fet up Kings and Emperors: And in his Letters to the German Clergy : And what he faid, he did pra&ife by bloody and unnatural wars, to the great diffraction of all the Empire. Saith Innocent 3. Serm. 2. ["Tome it is faid, I have "fet thee over Nations and Kingdoms, to fet up and dm u ftroy, and [catter / am fat up a* a middle per [on be- " tween God and Man ; on this fide God, but beyond Man • "yea greater than Man • who judge all, and can be judged u of none : I am the Brideoraom^ &£*"] XVI. By 043 > XVL By the fame Council he hath fewer to difpe.nfe with the Oaths of all the Subjects of fuch Pr;nces, and to disob- lige them, how many foever, from their Allegiance . jo that the Popes Power thus to difj'olve the obligation of Oaths if •alfo become an Article of their Religion. I prove ail thefe together, by giving you the words of the Council in Engliih. Once again ( though I have oft cited them) c r. they lay that [ " No man can be faved " out of their Univerfal Church.] And c 2. that Q" The • " Bread and Wine in the Sacrament of the Altar are tran- " fubftantiate into the Body and Blood of Chriit, the cc appearances remaining.] And c. 3. [" We excommu- nicate and anathematize every Herefie extolling it fel£ cc againft this holy Orthodox Catholick Faith, which we "have before expounded, condemning all Hereticks by 44 what Names ibever they be called And being con- fct demned, let them be left to the prefent Secular Power, cc or their Bayliffs, to be puniihed, the Clergy being firft cc degraded of their Orders. And let the Goods of fuch cc condemned ones be confifcate, if they be Lay-men $ ; "but if they be Clergy-men, let them be given to the u Churches whence they had their Stipends. And thofe Cc that are found to be noted only by Jufpicion, if they do tc not by congruous purgation demonitrate their inno- of the Faith, the) take an Oath pMickl), that they will ' ftudy in good earnefr, according to their power, to ex- c terminate all that are by the Church denoted Hereticks, c from the Countries fubject to their jurifdi&ion. So c that when any one 'hall be taken into Spiritual or Tempo- c rd power , he fliall by hU Oath make good this Chapter. But if tlie Temporal Lord, being admonilhed by the c Church, ihall neglect to purge his Country of hereti- c cal defilement, let him by the Metropolitan, and other c com- Provincial Biihops be tyed by the bond of Excom- c munication. And if he refufe to fatisfie within a year, c let it be fignified to the Pope, that he may from thence- ' forth denounce his Vaffals abfolved from his fidelity, c and may expofe his Country to be feized on by Ca- c tholicks, who rooting out the Hereticks may poflefs it c without contradiction, and may keep it in the purity c of Faith, faving the Right of the Principal Lord, lo c be it that he himfelf do make no hindrance hereabout, c nor oppofe any impediment: And the fame Law is to c be obferved with them that are not Principal Lords. c And the Catholicks that, taking the Sign of the Crofs^ c fhall fet themfelves to the rooting out of the Hereticks, c fhall enjoy the fame Indulgences and holy Priviledges c which were granted to thofe that go to the relief of the c Holy Land. Moreover we decree, That the Believers, c Receivers, Defenders, and Favourers of Hereticks fliall c be Excommunicate ♦ firmly decreeing, that after any c fuch is noted by Excommunication, if he refufe to fa- c tisfie within a year, he fhall from thenceforth be ipfo c jure, infamous^ and may not be admitted to publick c Offices or Councils or to the choice of fuch, or to bear witnefs : And he fhall be inteflate, and not have pow- lt fir to make a will, nor may come to a fueceflion of In- heritance ; ( 145 ) " heritance : And no man (hall be forced to anfwer him in " any Caufe but he fhall be forced to anfwer others : And " if he be a Judge, his fentence fhall be invalid, and no u Caufes (hall be brought to his hearing : If a Notary (or " Regifter) the inftruments made by him fhall be utterly "void, and damned with the damned Author: Andfo " in other like cafes we command that it be obferved. They further command Bifhops by themfelves or their Archdeacons or other fit perfons, once or twice a year to fearch every Pariih where any Heretick is found to dwell, and to put all the Neighbourhood to their Oathes, whether they know of any Hereticks there, or of my private meetings^ or any that in life and manners do differ from the Common Conversation of the faithful r , &c. And the Biihops that negl eel: this are to becaft out, and others put into their places that will dc them. Here you fee that no man muftlive on Earth (for all Kingdoms mu ft be i'ubject to the Pope) that will not re- nounce his humanity and animality or common fenfes, and declare himfelf below a Beaft, That all Kings are the Popes Subjects, commanded by him, and muft take anew Oath when they are crowned to deftroy all their Subjects that believe their fenfes ; That even the iiii- pected are undone if they prove not the Negative: That Princes muft be a thoufand fold worfe than hang-men,, who hang not whole Countries but a few condemned Maieafctors : That Popes can and muft depofe Kings, and Lords that will not do fuch things as theie, and give their Dominion to others : That the fign of the Oofs is theCrofs Makers fign : That all the promiles of the par- don and happinefs that were made to the invaders of the holy Land are given to thofe Wretches, that when they have lived iii filthinefs and wickednefs will expiate T it 040 it by murdering the innocent (as theydid,fay Hiitorians, by above an hundred thouland.) This is the Roman way to heaven. That the very favorers of thefe men that will not renounce humanity are to be alio utterly ruined. That (as in the Japan perlecution of the Chri- ftiins,) all the neighbour-hood muft be Sworn to deteft them ? And the office of a Bifhop is to lee all this done : And now if you will fee you fee how the Church of Rome is upheld, and propagated : And what the Reli- gion called Popery is ? And confider whether as Angels and Saints are near of Kin, or like in diipofition, it be not lb alio with Devils and wicked men : And w hether all Protectants be not Dead men in Law, or condemned, where the Papal Religion and Laws are received: And what will follow hereupon. And befides Gregory the firft's Declaration in his Ro- man Councils before mentioned, he faith in Epifr. 7. 1.4. £ cc And for the confpiracy of Hereticks and the King, we " believe it is not unknown to you that are near them cc howit may be impugned by the Catholick Bifhops * and Dukes • and many others in the German parts : .] [Hence it followeth that the " faithful (Papifts) of England and Saxonie are to be ex* " cufed, that do not free themjelves from the Power of a their Super iours, nor make war againfl them : becauft u commonly the) Are not jlrong enough, to manage thofe cc wars : and great dangers hang over them. So then, the dilability of die Papiits is all the fecurity we can hope for from them. Aquiline Triumph as faith (de poteft. Eccl. q, 46. a. 2.) f c Children is the fure way of conveying all the matter " of Faith and Religion ♦, and yet that the greateft Gene- cc ral Councils, which are the. Church reprelentauve, Obj. The King -df France, and [ome others, &o it not. An], No man is bound to do that which he cannot do. But if he can do it, and he be a P^ift-, by the exprefs words of an Approved General Council he is bound to do it, and to believe that it is his duty. I (peak not of what men do, but what their Religion binds them to do : Though intereft or good nature hinder them. X. " He believeth that all Temporal Lords that will " not firft take an Oath thus to root out their Subiefts, " and then do it, may be firft Excommunicated by the " Pope, and then depoled if they repent not, and their " Dominions be given to be feized by another Papiil w that will do it. The words of the Council are before cited. XL cc He believeth that in this cafe the Pope may ab- * folve all the Subjects of iuch Temporal Lords from w their Oaths, and Duties of Allegiance or Fidelity to « fuch Rulers. This alio is exprefs in the Councils words. XII. " He is one that believeth that the Priviledges of " the Roman Church were given it by die Fathers, be- *' caufe it was the Imperial Seat, and therefore Confian- " tinople had after equal Priviledges : (For fo faith the Aforecited General Council : ) And yet he believeth the " clean contrary, even that Rome's Priviledges were gi~ tc ven it by S. Peter, and ConjUntinople's are not equal. (For Popes and Councils alio are for this.) XIII. u He believeth. that it is de fide that General * c Councils are above Popes, and may judge them, and " depofe them if there be caufe, even as Hereticks or "Infidels, Adulterers, Murderers, Simonifts, &c t And yet "he believeth that all this is falie, and die contrary " true. Z For For the-approved General Councils of £4/// and Con- flavce fay the firft^ (and others 5 ) and thofe fore-cited at the Lit "crane and Florence fay the latter. XIV. " He maketh uncharitablenefs, and bold damn- " ing all others, a comfortable mark of the fafety of his "ftute, and the truth of his Religion, and our Charity M a mark that ours is vvorfe •, whereas Chrift hath faid, By this fl. all all men know that ye are myVifctplts^ if ye hue one another. It's ulual with them to fay, [Tou jay that a Papijl may be javed, and we jay that a. Protefiant cannot 5 therefore -we are tn the fafer jUte."] As if our cafe were ever the more dangerous for their condemning us. As if a man that doteth-in a Fever, fhould fay to thofe about him, [Ton fay that I may live^ and I [ay that all you are mortally jick - therefore my caje is better than your s^] God fakh, Judge ' not, that ye be not judged 5 and who art thou that judgefl another mans Servant ? And thefe men hope their cafeis fafe, becaufe they fin againfr' this Law, and damn the moft of the Univerfal Church. XV. " A Papift thinketh that all the Bible is not big "enough, or hath not enough in it, to lave thofe -jhat ** believe and praiftife it, or to make us a laving Religi- on •■ but Other Tradition muftbe received with equal cc reverence ; - and the Decrees of ail the approved Gene- u ral Councils mud make it up. XVI. " He confeffeth every Article and word ;of the ' "Religion of the Proteftantig b to be infallibly true j and "yet'holdeth that they are 10 be burnt and damned as * Hereticks. For he cenfefleth every part of the Canonical Scrip- ture to be true, and we have; no more in our. (objective, pofitive) Religion } not a word. Our Negations of Po- pery pefy are not properly our Religion J : arty more tlran ipeaking againft Diieafcs is our Health : But health contained! our own freedom from an hundred 3 eafes which we never thought of, as well as thofe that we once had or feared ; fo our Faith and Religion is fret from Popery, and containeth that which is agai.ntt it. XVII. cc A Papiit is for fwearing men to tike Scripture in that fenfe as the holy Mother Church doth hold, and hath held it: Whereas, i. Their Church hath given them no Commentary on the Scripture, one way or other. 2. And their Tranflations have been altered in many hundred places by Clement 8. and Sixfifk, lb that their Clergy is f worn to take one Tranflation to to be right one year, and a different one to be right the next. XVIII. <: They are for fwearing men to take or inter- pret Scripture but according to the unanimous fenfe of the Fathers, and confequently never to interpret the molt of it at all. XIX. " A Papift hath a thriving Faith and Religion," which groweth bigger and bigger, as faft as General Councils add new Decrees ; lb that they know not when they /hall have all : And yet they cry out againft novelty and change, and boaft of Antiquity. XX. " He holdeth that Priefts or Prelates may not fall down to Princes, or eat at their Tables, nor debafc themfelvcstothem- but Emperours mult take them as equals. Canal. Gen. 8. Confl. Cm. 14. XXI. rt He is latisfied that their Church hath a Judge of C jntroverfies, though he decide them not .-And he gl iryeth in the Unity and great Concord of their ChiLvh, whole Doctors differ de fde even in the Ex- ? pofition of many hundred Texts of Gods Word ; and Z 2 "where (i8o) " where they differ in the Morals before cited, about *? Murder, killing excommunicate Kings, <^f . and in " Volumes of Controverfies. And yet he looketh upon " far fmaller differences among us with great otfenfe, as becaufe the Pope will with all the calamitous ** effects and conlequents. X. cc Our Religion hath a certain Rule for the ending cc of all controvcrfies, fo far as there is hope of ending fC them in this world : All men will reft in the Judgment of God ; and his word in all luch neceflary things is plainer than all your General Councils: But your Hu- mane Authority is luch as fighteth with it felf and all the world, and which the Univerfal Church never yet receiv- ed nor will ever reft in. XL " Our Religion owncth a certain lawful Govern* "ment appointed by God, which v.ell u(ed may keep cc juft order in the world : That is, Parents in Families, " Paftors in fueh particular Churches asChrilt hatiiin- love and a [ou#d mind, 2 Tim.i. 7. of righteoufnefs, peace and joy in the Holy Ghof y Rom. 14. Tcrrour and Torments are temptations to you to defire the miferableft life on Earth (much more a life of plea- fure) rather than to dye, when fuch Flames muft next follow. XV. u We offer God fuch Worfhip as we can prove * by his Word that he commandeth and accepteth 5 and " fuch (192) * c fuch rcafonable (ervice in fpirit and truth, which is not cc unfuitable to the Father of Spirits, and God of wifdom • cc yet ufing all reverent and deGent behaviour of- the bo- " dy as well as of the mind. But it would be hard to number over all the Humane inventions of Formalities, and Rites, and Ceremonies, and Images, and other arbi- trary external things, by which you have corrupted the Worlhip of God j, and hid the body in your newfaihion- ^d Cloathing, which you pretended to adorn ; And as worldly minds do cumber themfelves, as Afartba, with many unnecelfary things, and then iky, [is it not lawful to do this and that\~\ while they hereby alienate the thoughts, affections, and time, which fhould be laid out on the one thing needful • fo do you in Gods Worfhip make fuch abundance of work with your Ceremonies, for thoughts, affections, and time, as maketh it very difficult to give the great and fpiritual part of Worfhip its proporti- on, (far beyond what Augujiine Epifi. ad Januar. fo much complained of in his time : ) and then think you juftifie all, if you can fay, How prove you this or that unlawful ? As i't your Servant (hould inftead of his work play at Cards moft of the day, and ask you [How you prove it un- lawful ? ] You never well ftudyed 2 Cor. 1 1 . 3 . [1 fear left by any means as the Serpent beguiled Eve through his fubtilty^ fo your minds ftould be corrupted from the fimpli- c it) that is in chrift f\ nor Col. 2. 18, 19, 20. 22, 23. nor Act. 1 5. 28. nor Rom. 14 and 15. nor Job. 4. 20, 21. An ignorant Woman fet upon Chrift, juft as you pervert all holy difcourfc, with turning all to [which is the true Church ? ] Our Fathers Wor flipped in this Mountain, and ye fay that in Jerufalem is the place where men /hould wor* flip: But Chrift anfweretli you in her, The true worfljip- pers /hall trorfkip the Father in fpirit- and in truth : For the Father Father feeketb fuch to wcrflip him : God is a Spirit, &c^\ Thole that by Cuftom be not ingaged in your way of nu- merous Formalities and bodily actions, can hardly think that you are fpiritually and feriouOy worfhipping God, or can believe that Infinite Wildom would be pleafed with fuch things as 1 am loth to denominate or de- fcribe. XVI. " Our Religion teacheth us that without Holi- cc nefs none fhall fee God, and none but the Pure in " Heart and Life are blefled, and if any man have not the < c fan&ifying fpiritof Chrift he is none of his : and that