Digitized by the Internet Archive in 2011 with funding from Duke University Libraries http://www.archive.org/details/svmmesvbstanceofOObarl r S V M M E SVBSTANCE THECONFERENC& Which it pleaied his excellent: Majcftie to have with the Lords Bifhops^and ochersof his Clergie (at which the moft oFthe % Lords of the CounccU were prefcnt ) in his Majefties Privie-Chambcr , at Hampton Cof^f^- ii^nn, i^. 160}- Contracted by William Barlow, Dodor of Divinity, andDeancof Chefler, wheremto Are added fo me Copies (fcattered abroad) nnfuvory^and untrne. Imprinted by JoHNNoRTON,and are to bee fold by f ^, To the Rea Jer. His Qoppy of the Confe- rence in ianuary laFi^ hath leene long exjjc- Bedy and long Jtnce it "^as finijhed . /;«= peachments , of the di- canw?u' "Vutging ft>ere many • fH^o maine aboue the reHione , his unfmiely death y ^hofirH im-> pojed it upon.me, '^ith^hom is buried tht famoujefl glory of our Englifli Qmrch^and themoUKtndeincouragment topaines and fludy : A man happy in his life and death gloved ofthebeft while he Hved^ and heard of God for his decea^ moft earneftly defiring, not many dayes be- fore he was ftroken^ that he might not A 1 (yet) To the Reader. (yet) live to ftc this Parliament, as neare as it was. Tf:>e other p ctn expectation of this late ■ Comitiall Conference , muchthreatned beforehand triumphed in by many j as if that Regall and moH honorable proceeding, Jhould thereby haVe received his counter- blaft^/or being too forward Sut his Maje^ fties Conftancy haVmg^by the laft, added comfort ^andftrength to thisformer^ which now ^at length ^comesabroad,fherem^ good Reader ^ thou may eft both fee thoje huge pretended Scandals ( for which ourflouri^ Jhing Qhurch hath beenefo long difturhed ) objeBed and romoVed ^ and loithall^ behold the expreffe and yiye Image of a moft lear* ned and judicious IQng : whofe manifold. gifts o/'Grace and Nature , myfcant meac Jure of gift is not able to delineate^ nor am I willing to enumerate , hecaufe Ihanje eVer accounted the perfonall commendation of • liYingRinces/w men of our forts ^a yerball Symonie • Such Flies there are too many, which puffe the skin^ but taint thefleJh.His Maje/ties To the Reader. ifajefties humble deportment in thofefuUts mities , will he the eterm:^ng of his memoa rie : the rather ^becauje ts^r^rt^' tip c\cc,, to di^ geftfb great Felicity without furfet of furcjuedryis ^ virtue ;, rare hi g) eat perjo^ nages^and that, which the t\tng of Heaven feared , e^^en the f\Jng of hts oivne choke would want, Tlje more eminent he is^in all princely qualities ^ the happier flM II we be : our dutie^ as we are Chrftians^is Prayer/or him;as weareSubjeBsf)hcditncc to him; as we are men, acknowledgment of our fetled ftatem Inm ; Qur unthankfulncfje may remove him as it did the tnirror of^rau ces^our late famous Elizabeth. She refts l^pith God ^ the Vhcenixof her apes reignes oyer us ^ and long may he jo doe to Gods glory ^and the Churches good j which his excellent knowledge heautifieth^ andgOs yernment adjoyned will heatifie it. lAn hipe of this laft "ifbe conceive by his ivritten BwA,xe, : a Specimen of the otheK\in this In- terlocutory Conference : whereof take thisy li?hich is printed y but as an'Exmd:^ ^ 3 wherem To the Reader. li?herein is the Subftance of the "^hole. In-i itxcomkofj^eechesythereoccafioned^ould caufe prolixity "tt^ithout profit ; l^hat every 7nan jatd y^oint device ,1 neyther could^nor cared to ohferVe ; the vigor of every ob- jedion^ Wth thefumme of each anfwer^ IgueJJe^l miffe not : For thefirU dayjhad no helpe beyond mine o'^ne 0ctjome of good place and underflandingyhaVefeene it, and 7iot controlled it ^except for the brevity : for *Ef.ur.di. the tlPolaU^out of divers * Copies^ I have chrift-ch. felecled and ordered "^hat you here fee : in Winchcft. ^ i- I I r^- ir ■ windfor. them ally next unto (jod^ the J\ings Maje^ NToufngha^f/y alone viuft have the glory : Tettofay^ f '"'"^ that the prefent State of our Qhurch^ is Very much obliged to the reverend Fathers , my Lords o/"London and Wmton^their pains ^ dexterity in this bufmefjep^here neither detraction /"ro/w other '.nor Rsittery of them. His High?ieJJe purpojed to compofe all quar^ rels of this kinde^vhereby ^andfuppoftngHe hadjetled all matters of the Churchy itplea^ fedhtmfotofignife by Proclamation af^ ter it ivas done : but there is a triple gene- ration o.vne To the Reader. ration in the ^orld,of'Si>hom the Wile-man Pioa 30 la Jpeaketh^Marry I Jay nothing ( for e^en pri= ^' '*' yateffeechcs cannot iiofip pajje without the Jineere of a Bhckc Cole. ) Inoneranke "thereof you may place. our Hercules-Lim- bomaftix , l^hom it ?night have pleafed, fpithout this Gnachonicall appeale,to have rejied His Majesties determination -and be- ing a Synopticall Theologue « «"^'«'" ,• and angry ^ that he was not Jo ^ <>r"£hn/u«f, have learned the dijference in Divinity ^bet^Veene viam Regis, ^?i^;,viamgregis. ^ Many Copies of divers Jorts have beene jfcattered a?idfent abroad Jbme par ttall ^fome untrue , fome flanderous. If hat is herefet do'^ney for the truth thereof Jl?all be ju- flijied : the onely wrong therein^is tohisEx^ cellentMajeJly^aJyllable ofwhofe admira^ hlejpeechesyitwaspitty to loofe ^ hisivords as they were uttered by him^ being as Salo- Pfoif it* monfpeakethylikc Apples of gold^with pictures of filver 5 and therefore I re queji thee, good Kadet ^when thou commejl: to any of his Highneffe fpeeches , to turne Martiall To the Reader. Mattiali his ^pofirophe upon me ; Tu male jam recitas,incipit efletuus; and I will take it kindly. If thou he honeji^ and courteous , thou wilt reftfatisfied^ and that is my content : to lay a filloip for a T>oggey forts neyther with my leijure^ nor purpoje. Farewell. Thine in Chriftlefu: W. Barlow; TH E FIRST DAYES Conference. iHe day appointed was, as by his Majejlles Pro- clamation wee all know, Thurfday the ii. of la^ iiuary - on which there met at Hamj^tm Court by nine of the Clocke, all the Bifhops and Deanes, fummoned by letters, namely, the Arch- billiop of Qanterhury , the Bifliops of London y Durhaniy \Vinchefleyy Worce^icr, S: Davids, QHcJ?ej]:er,Q}Ul, andPfre;v boroU? : the Deanes of tlie Chappell^. Qn-tjls Chwch ^ Wonc[ter, Wefimmjle)r^-, ^aulsy.Qyej},^y JVtndfor wilh Doctor z Hfefumme of the Conference Field ^ and Dodtor f\jng^ Arch-deacon oCNottingham : who , though the nighc before , they heard a rumor that it was deferred till the fourteenth day , yet ac- cording to the firft fummons , thought k their duty to offer themfelves to the Kings prelence ^ which they did : at '''which time it pleafedhis Highnefle to *^''fignifie unto the Bifliops , that the day *'*^ having prevented,or deceived him,, hee ^^ would have them returne on Saturday <<' next following : On which day , all the Deanes & Doctors attending my Lords the Bifhops, into the prelence Chamber, there wee found fitting upon a forme. Doctor ^ifiolds^ Do6tor Sparks, MzHcr I\neu7jiuhs^ and Mailer QhadertoUy Agents for the Millenary plaintiffes. The Bi- fliops entring the privy Chamber , ftaied there , till commandement came from his Majefty ,. that none of any fort, fliould be prefent, but only the Lords of the PriviejCounceU, and the Bifliops, with five Deanes, "vi;^. of the Chappell, Wejimin- before the K^ngs Majejly. 5 Wcjlmiiijler, ^duls , Wefichefter ^ Salisbu- ry ^who being called in , the doore was clofe fliuc by my Lord Chamberlaine. After a while, his excellent Majcfty came in , and having pafled a few plea- fant gratulations with feme of the Lords , hee fate downe in his Chaire, removed foiAvard from the cloth of State a pretty diftance j where, begin- ning with a mod grave and Princely de- ^ claration of his generall drift in calling '-» this affembly, no novall device , but ac- ^> cording to the example of all Chriftian ;»> Princes, w^ho in the Commencement of ;> their reigne , ufually take the firfl: courfe >> for the eilabUfhing of the Church, both ?? for Doctrine and po'licie , to which the y^ very Heathens themfelverhad relation ;», in their Proverbe , J. loVe ^rlndpium" ,y and particularly ^in this Land,King Hen- ?, ry the 8. toward the end of his reigne • jy after him King Ect^cirl the 6. who al-:>, tered more ^ after him Queene Mary, ,, who reverfell all ^ andlaft the Queene ,, B 2 ^ of 4 Th$fwnme oftj^e Conference *^ of famous memory ; fo W^ Miglmffe added {foricis wxMt'hthe fidtitig , that his Maiejiy never remembred her , but ^Svkh (bme honourable addition ) who ^ ftded it as now it ftandeth : wherein^ ^'^hee laid that he w^as happier then they, ^ in chis;, because they were faine to alter '^ all things they found cftabliflied , but ^^ he law yet no caule lo much to alter^ *^^ and change any thing , as to confirme ^^ that which hee found well letled alrea- '- dy J which ftate, as it leemedj fo affected *^^ his roy all heart J thatitplealed him both ^^to ente r into a gratulation to Almigh- *^ ^jy Go d J ( at which words, he put oft his ^'^ hat ) for brih^in^ him into the pi-omi ftd ^^ landyw h^^re Religion was purely profef - ^^ led y where he late among grave learned ^'*^ and reverend men, not, as before, elft- ^^ where, a King without ftate, without '•*' honor^w^ithout order, where beardleflc '^^^boyeswould'bravehimtohis fece, and ^^ to affure us , that he called not this al^ ^;lembly for any Innovation , acknow- ledging before the KJfg^ A4> as iTb w It IS ^ to have becne approved by » ITTSml oIci blessings Frmn G(;)d him (7-1 ff ?^ Jo ffi~tor the incrcale of the Goipe ll ^> i nd with a moit happy and glorio us y> )eace ; yet, becaviie nQthin^ could bee^^ [b ablblutely ordered, but fomeching^:> might bee added afterward thereunto^ y> and in any ftateas in the body of man » corruptions might inienfibly grow ^ ey- y> ther through time or perlbns : and in » that he had received many complaints yy iince his firft enterance into the Kincr- y, dome, elpecially through the diflenti- ;>;> ons in the Church , of many difbrdcrs y> as he heard, and much difobedience to » theLawes,withagreat fallmg away to?;> Popery ^ his purpofe therefore was ^ like » a good Phylitian , to examine and trie » the complaints ^ and fully to remove the pj> occafions thereof^ if they prove fcanda-p> lous, or to cure them;, ifthey were dan- p> gerouS;,or;, if but frivolous , yec to take:>^ knowledge of them^thereby to caft a fop ^y B 3 into 6 The fmnne of the Conference into Qerberus his mouthy that he may ne- ^*^ ver barke againe, his meaning beings as ^"^ he pleafed to profefle , to give fadtious ^'^fpirits, no occafion hereby , of boafting '^'^ or glory, for which caufe he Had called ^^ the Bifhops in, feverally by themlelves, ^' not to bee confronted by the contrary ^^ opponents , that if any thing fhould bee *^'' found meet to be redreffed, it might bee ^"^ done, (which his Majefty twile or thrife ^^ as occafion (erved , reiterated ) without ^*^ any vifible alteration. . . ^^ And this was the lumme , Co farre as ^^ my dull head could conceive and carry ic, of his Majefties generall fpeech. In particular hee fignified unto them the principall matters, why hee called them *^' alone , w^ith whom hee would confult ^^ about lome fpeciall points , wherein ^"^ himielfe defired to bee fatisfied 5 thefe '^'^he reduced to three heads *. Firft, con- ^^ cerning the Booke of Common Pray- ^*^er , and Divine Service uied in this f*^ Church. Second, Excommunication in the it before the K^gs ^SMlajejiy. y the Ecclcfiafticall Courts. Third, the ^^ providing o^ fie and able Minifters for ^^ Ireland. -'^ In the Booke hee required fatisflidti- ^^ on about three things. Firft, about Con--'-' firmation • firft for the name, if arguing -'■' a confirming of Baptilhrie, as if this Sa- ^^ crament without it , where of no vaUdi- ^^ ty, then were it blafphemous : Second- '-' ly, for the u(e , firft brought upon this ^> occafion • Infants being baptized , and ^> anlwering by their Tatrini , it was ne- p^ ccfTary they fliould be iCxamincd , when p^ they came to yeeres of dilcretion , and f> after their profcsfion made byJthem-:,> lelves, to bee confirmed with a blesfing ?> or prayer of the Bifliop, laying his hands ^^ upon their heads , abhorring the abufe )) in Popery, where it was made a Sacra- ment and corroboration to Baptifme. The fecond was for Abfolution » which how wee ufed it in our Church, p/ he knew not, he had heard it likened to p;, the Popes pardons , but his Majefties ^^ opinion, 8 The fHmme of the Conference opinion was,thac^there being onely two kinds thereof from God ^ the one gene- ralljtheotherparticular : for thefirft^all Prayers and Preachings doe import an Abfolution . for the (econd;, it is to be ap- phed to Ipeciall parties , who having committed a fcandall;, and repenting, are ablolved:otherwiie,where there pre- cedes not either excommunication- or penance,there needs no abfblution. The third was Private Baptifine , if private for place ;, his Majefty thought it agreed with the u(e of the Piimitive ^^ Church J if for perfons , that any but a ^' lawfull Minifter might Baptize any- ^'^ where, he utterly difliked: and in this ^^ point his Highmffe grew ibmewhat ear- ^^ nefl againft the Baptizing by women *'*' and Laikes. ^^ The fecond head was Excommunica- ^'^ tion;, wherein he offered two things to be ^^ confidered of, firft, the matter : fecond, ^' the peribn. In the matter, firft, whether << it were executed , ( as it is complained in - light ^ » ir Tloe ft4nme of the Conference ^^ crament, that kfliouldbe confidcred of by their Lordihips , whether it might not,without alteration (where- of his Majejly was ftill very wary ) be ^''intituled an Examination withaCon- ^^ firmation. Next in order , wai the point of Abfolutioa;, which the Lord Arch-bi- ftiop cleared from all abule^, or fuperfti- tion ;, asit is ufed in our Church of England : reading unto his Majejly ^ both, the Confcsfion in the beginning of the Communion Booke ^ and the Abfolution following it';, wherein ;, ( faith hee ) the Minifter doth nothing elfc but pronounce an abfolution in ge- *'^ nerall. His Highiejfe peruftd them ^^ both in the Booke it ielfe, liking and ^'^ approving them;^ finding it to be very true, which my Lord Arch-bifliop faid : but the Biflhop of Low Jo?iftepping for- ward;, added^ it becommeth us to dcale plainly with your Majejly : there is alfp in the Communion Booke, ano- ther before the K^gs Ad^jejly. i ; ther more particular and perfonall forme of Abfolution , pre(cribed to bee uftd in the order for the Vifiration of the ficke : this the l\tu^ required to lee ;, and whileft Mafter Deane of the Chappell was turning to it ^ the (aid Bijfhop alledged;,that not onely the Con- fesfions of ^u^iifla , (Bohemc y Saxon , which he there cited ;, doe retaine and allow it;, but that Mafter QalVm did alio approve fuch a generall kinde of Con- fesfion^ and Abfolution;, as the Church of Englayid uleth^, and withall;, did very well like of thoft which are private^, for lo he termes them : The laid particular " Abfolution in the Common Prayer Booke being read^ his Majefty excee- dingly will approved it;, adding,that ic was Apoftolicall;,and a very good ordi- nance;,in that it was given in the name of Chrifl:;,to one that defired it^and up- on the clearing of his conicience. The conclufion waS;, that it fhould be conRiked of by the Bidiops ^ whether C 3 unto 1 4- TJ?e fumme of the Conference unto the Rubrike of the generall Abfblu- tion thefe words, Remisfion of finnes, might not be added for explanation fake, in the third place , the Lord Arch-bi- fliop proceeded to ipeake of Private Baptifme, fhewing his Majefy , that the adminiftration of Baptifme by Women and Lay-perfons was not allowed in the pra6tifeofthe Church;, but enquired of, byBifliops in their Vifitation, and cen- fured ; ney'ther doe the words in the Booke inferre any iuch meaning : whereunto the King excepted , vrging ^^ and presfing the words of the Booke, ^^ that they could not but intend a per- ^' misfion , and fufFering of Women,and private perfbns to Baptize. Heere the Bi- ftiop of WorceHfr faid , that indeede the words were doubtfuU , and might bee prefled to that meaning , but yet it fte- med by the contrary pradife of our Church, ( cenluring Women in this caft ) that the compilers of the Booke did not ih intend them, and yet propounded them before the K^gsSS/faje fly. X$ them ambiguoudy , becaule ocherwife, herhaps^ the Booke would not have then pafTed in the Parhament , ( and for this conjecture, as I remember, hee cited the teftimony of my Lord Arch-bifhop of Torke : ) whereunto the Bifiiop of Lon- don replied , that thoie learned and reve- rend men , who framed the Booke of Common Prayer, intended not bv am^ biguous termes to deceive any, but did, indeed, by thoft words intend a perm if - iion of private perfons , to Baptifc in caie of necesfity , whereof their Letters were witnefles ., iome parts whereofhee then read , and withall declared that the lame was agreeable to the pra6tilc of the an- cient Church • urging to that purpofe, both ^(5?. z. where 3000. were Baptized in one day^ which for the Apoftles alone to doe , was imposfible, at lead impro= bable ; and befides the Apoftles , there were then no Bifliops or Priefts : And aUb the authority of Terfw///^;/ , and S. Ambrofe in the fourth to the Epheftans^ plaine i6 The fumme of the Conference plaine in that point , laying alio open the abfurdicies and impieties of their opinion who thinke there is no necesfi- ty of Baptifme, which word Necesfity, he ib prelTed not;, as if God without Bap- tifme could not lave the child ; but the caftput;, that the ftate of the Infant p dy- ing unbaptized^ being uncertaine^, and to God onely knowne • but if it die Bapti- zed;, there is an evident affurance ^ that it is faved. Who is he that having any Re- ligion in him^ would not fpeedily , by any meanes^, procure his childe to bee Baptized ^ and rather ground his allien upon Chrifts promife, then his omisfion thereof>upon Gods fecret judgenment f His Majejly replied;,firftto that place of ^^ the ^Bs^t\\2.t it wasanAxfl extraordina- ry ;,neyther is it found rea(bning from things done before a Church be fttled and grounded;,unto thofe which are to be performed in a Church ftabhlhedljfi ^^quis renatus fucrit ex aquaj^c.W3.smcznt ^^ of the Sacrament of Baptifine, and that ^^ he had lb defended it againft Ibme Mi- nifters in S cot! a?hi^&c it may feem ftrange to you my Lords, laith his MajcjJy^ that ^'^ \, who now thinke you in England give *''^ too much to Bapci(me;>did 14. Moneths ^^ a.go in Scotland arguewith my Divines ^^ there,for afcribing too htletothatho- ^^ ly Sacrament. Inlbmuch that a pert Mi- " nifter asked me,if I thought Baptilme lb **^ neceflary , that if it were omitted, the ^*^ -child fliould be daned-l anfwered him^ ^* No;, but if yoU;, being called to Baptize **^the child;,though privately^fhould refufe ^^ to come;,! thinke^you fhall be damned. " But this necesfity of Baptilme,his Afaje- ^^Jly lb expounded, that it was neceffary to •' be had, where k might be lawfully had, ^' id ijly miniftred by lawfuU Minifters,by *^ whom alone^and by no private perfon^ ^^ he thought it might not, in any cale bee ^^ adminiflred; and yet utterly difliked all D "^^^rebapti- iS Thefi^mme of the Conference ^^ rebaptization;,although eyther Women ^^ or Laikes had Baptized. Here the Bifliop of Winchejler ]^ake very learnedly ;,and ear neftly;>in that point, affirming , that the denying of private perfbnS;^ in cafes of necesfity, to Baptize^ were to croffe all antiquity^feeing, that it had bcene the ancient and common, pradile of the Church, when Miniflers at fuch times could not be got , and that it was alfb a rule agreed upon among Divines, that the Minifterisnotof the Eflence of the 5acrament.His Majefiy an- ^^ lwered,though he be not of the Eflence ^^ oftheSacrament,yet is he of the Eflence of the right and lawful! Miniflry of the Sacrament, taking for his ground the commisfion of Chrift.to his Difciples, MzM8.2o.Goe preach and Baptize. The iffue was a confultation, whether into the Rubrike of Private Baptifme^ which leaves it indifferently to all Laikes or Clergy, the Words, Curate or lawfult Minifler, might not bee infertcd, which was cc before the Kings Majesty, j 9 was not fo much ftucke at by the Bi- fliops. And ib his Majejly proceeded to the next point, about Excommunica- " tion^in caufe of leflcr moment : firft;, ^' whether the name might not be altered, ^' and yet the lame cenfure be retained : or '^' iecondly ;, whether m place of it;, mother Coercion equivalent thereunto ;, might not be invented and thought of . A thing very eafily yeelded unto of all fides , be- caufeit had beene loHg and oiten defi- red, but could not be obtained from hec Majejly^ who refolved to bee ftill, fcmper eadem, ^nd to alter nothing which (lie had oncefetled. And thus theWednefclayrucceeding, being appointed for the exhibiting of their determinations in theft points , and the Munday next immediately follow- ing this prefent day , for the Oppo- nents to bring; in their Complaints, wee were dilmilled after three hourcs , and morefpent. which were (bone gone, fo admirably , both for underftanding, D 2 fpeechj 20 ThefHmme of the Conference fpeech;, ancf judgement, did his Majejiy handle all choie pointS;, lending us away, not with contentment oriely , but afto- nifliment>and,which is pitifull, you will lay p with Ihameto us all, that a I^ina- brought up^among Puritans^not the Icar- nedfl: men in the World, and (chooled by them J (waying a Kingdome full of bufi- neffe, and troubles , naturally given to much exerciie and repaft^nioiild in points ofDivinityfhewhimlelfe as expedite Sc perfe6t,as the greateft Schollers,and mofi: induftrious Students , there preftnt , might not out-ftrip him. But this one thing I might not omit, that his Majefiy fliould pro fefle , howfoever hee lived among Puritans,and was kept, for the mmtpart^as a Ward under them, yet ^ frnt rte \vas ofthe age of his Sonnp, ten ye eres old,he ever difliked their opi- n ions, as the saviour of jhe^ World fi jd^ T hough hee lived amongthem, hee wa s not of them. Finis priniie diet. THE 21 THE SECOND DA YES Qonfer ence. N Monday , lanumc fixteene ;, becvveene ii. and 11. of the clock;, were the 4. plain- tiffes called into the privy Chamber^ ( the two Bifhops of Lo?/- don y and JFinchcfier being there be- fore ) and after them all the Deanes and Do(5tors prelent, which hadbeene iummoned ;, Tatr. Galloyi?ay fometime Minifter of 'Pert/; \n Scotland y admitted alio to bee thercp the Kings M^/ty^y ;, en- trins; the Chamber ^ preftncly tooke D 3 his %% I'hefumme of the Conference his Chaire, placed as the day before ( ,the noble young Prince , fitting by upon a ftoole;,) where making a fliorc , but a pi- thy and iweet Ipeech , to the fame pur- *^' pofe,which the firft day he madejV/;^.of ^^ the end of the Conference , meet to bee '^ had^ hee faid, by every Kjng^ at his firft "entrance to the Crownc ; not to inno- '^''vate the government preiently eftabli- ^'^fhed^whichbylongexperience he had ^^ found accompliflied with io fingular *''^ blesfings of God, 45. yeereS;,asthatno '^ Church upon the face of the earth more ^^ fiourifhed,then this oi England, Bux. firft ^^ to fettle an uniforme order through the *'^ whole Church.Secondly, to plant unity ^^forthefiippresfingof Papifts and ene- mies to ReHgion. Thirdly, to amend abuieS;,as naturall to bodies politike^ & corrupt man,as thefhadow to thebody^, which once beingentred;, hold on as a wheele^his motion once Cct going. And becaule many grievous complaints had beene made to him , fince his hrft en- ^^ trance u • "i • £ Thus zd. Thjt^^me of the Cmfererrce Thus farre Opiaor (!^j^- wpnt on with- out aqy interruption : but;,here,as he wasL- proceeding, the RifTiop oiLonion , much raooved to heare thefe meji , who fcnae ^ of them the fevehing before;,and the (aix^e mornings hadoi^de femblance;^ of joy- ningwich the BiflhopS;, ai,id that they fought for nothing but unity, now ftrike . to overthrow, ( if they could) all ^t once, cut him off, and kneeling downe, moft humbly defire^d bis. Mfjefiy.,Btii, •.That the ancient Caj^on niight.be remembred;, which iaith, that Schifmatkl contra Epip cofoSyUonfunt audiendi. Secondly , that i( any of thele parties were in the number of the thouiand Minifters , who had once lubfcribed to the Communion Booke ., and yet had. lately exhibited a Petition to his Majefiy j, againft it, they might be removed and not heard , accor- ding to the Decree of a very ancient Councelljproyiding, th^t no man fliould bee admitted to fpeake againft that, whereto hee had formerly fubfcribed: .: Thirdly, before the l^ngsMcij&sij. ly Thitaiy^he puG-D: 5^^/iaMi:an his AflTo ciates iti rtiindevhow rtluch Aey were bound CO his" Majvflivs ' ekceWing gfbac clenndricy, ih ' di'it "flWy \vet^ 'ptrtViie^ec!^ contrary to the Sr.ttutc. I Mr. to (beak^io ireely againftthe Leicurgy and DHcipHne eilabhflied. Laftly, fotalinilch as that hee perceived they tooke'a cbtirletendiiig'to the utter overthrow of the orders of the Church;,thus long continued^ hee dejtlred Ed know the end which they aiiiied '.it^ *illedo;incr a place out ofM. CarnV'irflk^ arhrmincr that wee ou2;ht rather to con- rorme our Tehees itt ot'detS' afid CeF^nior:, nies to the fafhion of the Twrfe;;iitM"to the Papifts 5 w^hich Pofition hee doubted they approved;, becaufe^, contrary to thq ofdei's 6f the Vrti verfities, they appddred before his Mijcjly in Turky goWnto, not , in their SchoUftrcall habits, forcing to. thieirdcgree?.' •■"'::''';;•' '';"' ' ' '' ^' Hfs mjeffy perfc^iyi^'ttf l:6f^' o^ *^- Loudon to (pcake irt forne pasfibn'^' iaid, ^^ chat thcrewas iri itfomth'rA2;wHi<:^fT' We E z '^ might 2S Thefumme of the Conference ^^ cnighc cxcufe/omthing that he did ilrgi id '^'^hke : excuft his pasfion he might;, thin- "kinghehadjuftcauietob.ee ip moved, ^^ both in relped; , that they . did thus tra- ^^ duce the prelent well fttled Church Go- " vernment-5c alfo,did proceedinlo indi- " reft a courie^jContrary to their own pre- *''ience,6c the.intent of that meeting al(a: yet he mifliked his fudden interruption^ *'*' of D.'l^m.who he fhoujd h,^ve fuffered ^^ to have taken his courfe andliberty^cpn- *^^ eluding that there is no order^^nor can be '*'any effedlual iflue of dilputation^ifeach. ^^ party might not bee (liffered ^ without *^ chopping^ to fpeake at large what hee. ^' would. And therefore willed that either ^*' the Doctors fliould proceed, or that the '' Bifliop would frame his anfwer tothcfc '^motions already made * although^ faith ^*^ his Majefly, Ibme of them are very need- *'Mefle ! It was thought fitter to aniwer, left the number of objedions incrcafing, clie aniwers would prove confuied. Upon the firfl motion^ Concerning fal- ^>r • . ^^ ' - J. before the I{ings ^dajejly. zp liner from Grace -The Bifhop ot London tookeoccafion to fignifie to his Majejiy^ how very many in thefe daies, neglecting hoHnelTe of Hfe, prefumed too much of perfifting of Grace ^ laying all their Reh- gionuponPreJcftination, If I fliall bee faved^l fliall be faved • which he termed a deiperate Do6lrine,fhewing it to be con- traiyto good Divinity ^ and the true do- d:rineof Predeftination, wherein, wee fliould lealon rather ajcoulendoy then de- fcendendo y thus ; I live in obedience to Godpin love with my neighbor^ I follow my vocation, &c. therefore I truft that God hath elected me , and prcdeftinatcd me to lalvation : not thus, which is the ufuall courie of argument , God hatli prcdeftinatcd and cholen me to life^there- fore though I fin never Co grievoufly, yet I fliall not be damned : for whom he once loveth, he loveth to the end. Whereupon he fliewed his Majejly out of the next^r- t/c/e,what was thedodrine of the Church oCEngUni^ touching Predeftination , iiv E 3 the io nefHmme of the Conference the very lafl: Paragraph, fcil. Wee muft receive Gods promiies, in fuchwilc, as they bee generally iet forth to us in holy Scrip ture^and in our doings, that the will of God IS to be followed, which we have exprelly declared unto us in the Word of '^' God '.which part of the Article his Af^yV; (iy very well aprooved^and after he had, after his manner,very Angularly dilcou- fed on that place of P^/^/, Work out your ^-ialvation with feare and trembling j he' ^'^ left it to bee confidered, whether any ^^ thing w^ere meet to bee added, for the ^^ clearing of the Doctor his cloubt,bypuc- ^^ ting in the word Often, orthehke, as ^^ thus, We may often depart from Grace j "but in the meanetime , wiftcd that the Doctrine of Predeftination might bee very tenderly handled , and with great difcretion,leil: on the one fide,Gods onl- '^ nipotency might be callec! in qneftiori^ ''^ by impeaching the dodrineofhiseri^^- " nail pFedefl:ination,or on the other,ade- *^ Iperate prefiimption might be arrea^red; by before the Kjj^p Adajefly. ; i ^^ by inferring the neceflary certainty of ^* Handing and perfifting in grace. To the fecond it was anfvvered, that it was a vaine objC(5tion , becaufe , by the Dodrineand praclile of the Church of England^ none^ but a hcenced Minifter, might preach, nor cyther publikely or privately adminifter the Euchanft , or '^ the Lords Supper. And as for private *' Baptifhie,hisMyf^>'anrwered,that he ^^had taken order for that with the '^ Bifhops already. In the third point ( which was about Confirmation ) was obftrved ey ther cu- ripfity , or malice , becau(e the Article which was there prelently read, in tho(e words J Theft five commonly called Sa- craments, that is to fay. Confirmation, Penance, Orders, &cc, are not to bee ac- counted for Sacraments of the Gofpell, being fuch as have growne partly of the corrupt following the Apoftlcs, 6cc. In- fimuteth, that the making of Confirma- tion,to be a Sacramenc,is a corrupt imita- tion- 31 Thefumme of the Conference rion -but the Communion Booke;,aiming at the right u(e,and proper courfe thereof, make it to be according to the Apoftles example ; which his Majefly oblerving^ and reading both the places^ concluded the objedbion to be a meere cavill. And this was for the pretended contradi6ti- on. Now for the ground thereof, theBi- fliop o( London added , that it was not Co much founded upon the places in the J'cls of the Apoftles , which fome of the Fathers had often fhewed • but upon Hei.6,i.where it is made^ as the firfl: day he had faid, a part of the Apoftles Gate chifme j which was the opinion, befidc the judgement of the holy Fathers ^ oi Mafter CalVin, and D.F«//;e/the one upon Heb.6.i.2LS upon Saturday hec had decla- redj the other upon ^Eis S.verf! i/.whcre with S,^uguHine,ht faith,that we do not^ in any wile miflikethat ancient Ceremo- ' ny (of impofition of hands, for ftrength- ning and confirming iuch as hadbeene Baptized,) before the Ki^gs Majefly. 5 j Baptized ) but ufe it in our (elves ^ being nothing cire,but,as S. ^ujlen affinnech^ Prayer over a man to be ftrengchned and confirmed by the holy Ghoft : or to re- ceive incrcaie of the gifts of the holy Ghofl:,asS.y/??//vo/c (aith j and a lide af- ter alludeth unto Hr/'. 6. 1^ &c. Neyther need there any great proofe of this ( (aith my Lord) For confirmation to be unlaw- fiill^itwas n^heir opiniOjWho objedied thiS;,ashefuppoled^this was it that vex- ed them, that they had not the uie thereof in their owne hands, every Paftor in his Parifli to confirme, for then it would bee accounted an Apoftolicall inftitutionjand willed D.(/^'m. to fpeake herein what hee thought : whofeemedto yeeld thereun- to, replying that fome Dioceffe of a Bi- fhop, having therein fix hundred Parifli Churches (which number cauled theBi- fhop of London to think himfelf perfbnal- ly touched, becauft in his Dioceffe there are 609^ or there, abouts ) it was a thing very inconvenient to comit cofirmation F unto 54- Thefumme of the Conference untotheBifliop alone, (uppofing it im- posfible thac hce could take due examina- tion of them all , which came to be con- firmed. To the fa6l, my Lord oiLondon anRvered ^ for his Majejiies information, that the Bifhops in their ViiitationS;,give out notice to them , who are defirous eyther to be themfelves , or to have their children confirmed, of the place where they wil be- 6c appoint eyth^feheir Chap- laines, or fome other Minifters, to exa- mine them which are to be confirmed, and lightly confirme none, but eyther by the teftimony, or report of the Par(bns or Curates where the children are bred, and brought up. To the opinion hce re- plied, that none of all the Fathers ev£r admitted any to confirme but Bifhops alone ,• yea even S Jerome him(elfe,though otherwift no friend to BifhopSjby realbn ofaquarrellbetweene the Biftiop ofJe* r«/a/«^wandhim,yet confeffcth, that the execution thereof was reftrained to Bi- fhops ovidy jjid honor em fotius Sacerdoty^. quam before the K^ngs Majesty. 5 5 quam ad legts necesjttatem. Whereof^ name- ly of this Prerogative of Bidiops, hegi- vech this realon , Ecckfut film injummi Sacerdotis dignitate fzndtt -^ cut ft non cxors qu(tdam Have. Whereat his Majejiy heartily laughed , and fo did the Lords : the Kl^ig adding an anfwer, which the Rhetoricians call, 'iy^mfxa «a^>- %'w^. What (peake you of the Popes Fj authority :58 The fumme of the Conference ^^ authority here ? Hahemm jure quod habe^ ^^ mm^ and therefore , in as much as it is ''^ faid;,h.e hath not^it is plaineenough,that ^' he ought not to have. This^and fome other motions fteming both to the King and Lords very idle and frivolous , occafion was taken , in lome by-talke , or leraember a certaine delcription^which Mafter Sutler oiCanu bridge made of a Puritane, Viz^. APuri- taine is a Proteftant frayed out of his wits.ButmyLord oi London^ there feri- oufly put his Majefy in minde of the Ipeeches , which the French Embaffador Mafter ^ogne gave out concerning our Church of England y both at Canterbury after his arrivall ; and after^ at the Court, upon the view of our iblemne fcrvice and ceremonies, namely, that if the reformed Churches in France had kept the lame orders among them which we have^, hec was affured tijat there would havcbeenc many thoufands of Proteftants more there, then now there are : and yet our men before the J{ings Adajefly. 3 9 men ftamble and ftraine at thefe petty quillets, thereby to difturbc and diigrace the whole Church. After this the D. moved that this pro- ^^ pofition, The intention of the Miniftcr is not of the cflence of the Sacrament, might be added unto the Booke of Ar- ticles ^ the rather becauie that Ibme in England had preached it to bee eflentiall. And here againe he remembred the nine ^^ Orthodoxail aflertions concluded at ^^ LambctJ\]r\isMaje(Iy utterly difliked that " firft part of the motion for two realons : *^ Firft, thinking it unfit to thruft into the ''*' Booke every pofition negative, which **^ would both make the Booke fvvell in- '^ to a Volume as big as the Bible,and alio '' confound the Reader • bringing for e- ^' xample the courfc of one Wi. Craig in the '^ like ca(e in Scotland ^ w^ho with his, I re- '^ nounce and abhorre,his dcteftations 3c " abrcnunciations , did fo amaze the ^^ fimple people, that they , not able to conceive all thole things , utterly gave over i( ^o Tl^efumme of the Conference " over all/allingbacke to Popery ;, or rc- " maining dill in their former ignorance. ^'^ Yea, if I ,iaid his M/je/?)', (hould have *^' been bound to his forme^the confesfion "^'of my faith mud have beene in myta- ^'^ble-booke^notinmyhead. But becaulc " you fpeake of Intention , faith his '^ Hi^hnejfe^ I will apply it thus. If you *' come hither with a good intention, to ^' be informed,66 latisfied where you flial ^^ findejuftcaule, the whole worke will ^^ Con to the better effecSt • but if your In- ^^tentionbetogoe as you came ( what- *'^ foever fhall bee (aid ) it will prove that " the Intention is verymateriall^and eflens ^^ tiall to the end ofthis preftnt adtion.To the other part for the nine Aflertions, his Majejiy, could not fuddenly anRver , be- cauie hee underftood not what the Do- ctor meant by thofe Aflertions or Pro- pofitions at Lambeth j but when it was informed his Maje[1y , that by reafonof fome controverfieS;, arifing in Qamhrldge, about certaine points of Divinity, my Lords before the Kipg^ Majefty. 4.1 Lords Grace aflembled (bme Divines of efpeciall noce^ to fee downe their opini- ons^ which they drew into nine AiTerti- ons, and fo ient them to the Univerficy^ for theappeafing of thole quarrells ,• then hisMajejJy anfwered j Firft^ that when fuch qiieftions arile among SchoUers^ the quieteft proceeding were, to dciermine them in the Llriverfities , and not to ftiiffe the Booke with all conclufions Theologicall. Secondly ;,the better courle vvpuld bee to punifh the broachers of falle Do6lrine , as occafion , fhould bee offered : for w^ere the Articles never Co many and found, who can prevent the contrary opinions of men till they bee heard f Upon this the Deane of ^aulcs kneeling downe y humblie defired leave to fpeake , lignifying unto his Mj/ViT), that this matter Ibmewhat more nearely concerned him ;, by rea- Ion of controverfie betweene him and Ibmc other in Camhrtdge , upon a G propofitioUj 41 The Jpinme of the Conference prppofition , which hec had dchvered there-Namely^thac whofbever ( although before juftificd ) did commie any grie- vous fin, as Adukery;,Murder,Treafon,or the like ^did become^ tpfo faclo^ (ubje6l to Gods vvrath^and guilty of damnation^ or were in ftate of damnation (quoad prmt^ fentem [latum ) untill they repented j ad- ding hereunto , that thole which were called and juftified according to the pur- pole of Gods eledtion, howlbever they might, and did;, fometime fall into grie- vous fins , and thereby into the prelent ftate of wrath and damnation ,• yet did never fall^either totally from all the gra- ces of God to bee utterly deftitute of all the parts and feed thereof, nor finally from juftification, but were in time re- newed^by Gods Spirit^unto a lively faith, aind repentance ^ and fb juftified from thofe finneSp and the wrath, curft, and guilt annexed thereunto, whereinto they are fallen, and wherein they lay , fo long ^s they were without true repentance for before the K^ngs Majesty. 43 for the (ame. Againft which Do Arine^hee laid , that fome had opppfed , teaching, that all llich perfbns as were once truly juftifiedjthough after th:y fell into never io grievous fins , yet remained ftill juft, or in the ftate of juftification;, before they adually repented of thole fins j yea^, and though they never repented of them^ through forgerfulnefie or fodaine death, yet they fhould bee juftified and faved without repentance. In utter diflike of *'*'this Dodlrine, his Mj;>/?)ientredintoa ^^ longer ipeech of Prcdeftination, and re- ^^ probation/han beforehand of the necef- " lary conjoyning repentance & hoUnefle '^ of life with true faith : concluding, that ''^ it was hypocrifie,and not true juftifying "faith, which was fevered firom them: for ^^'^ although Predeftination and Ele6lion " depend not upon any qualities,a(5tions, ^"^ or worksof man^which bemutable,but "^ upon God his eternall & immutable de- '^^ crec and purpofe^yet fiich is the necesfity '^'^ of repentance, after knowne fins com- Gi mitted. 44- Thefummeofthe Conference '^micted,as that, without it^therc could ^^ not be, eyther reconciliation with God^ ^^or remisfion ofthofe fins. Next to this, D. ^inolds complained^ that the Catechifme in the Common Prayer Booke,was too briefe ;, for which one by M . NoH^ell late Dcane of Tauls was added ;, and that too long for young Novices to learne by heart • requefted therefore;, that one uniforme Catechifme might be made, which;, and none other, might bee generally received , it was de- manded of him, whether if, to the fliort Catechifiiie in the Communion Booke, fbmethingw^ere added for the Dodtrine of the Sacrament, it would not lervc ? His Majejly thought the Dodors requeft ve- ry reaibnable : but yet (b, that hee would " have a Catechifme in the fewefl Sc plai- ^' ncft affirmative termes that may be: tax- ^^ ing withal, the niiber of ignorant Cate- *^ chifines fet out in Scotland ^ by every one ^^ that was the Son of a Good man : in(b- ^^ much, as, that which was Catechifme do(5ti"ine before the K^gs ^itAdajejiy. 45 doiStriae in one Congregation^pW^isin another , Icarcely iic<:epted as found and Orthodox ; wiflied therefore, one to bee made and agreed upon, adding this excellent, gnornicall and Canon-, like Conclufion, that in reforming of a Church , hee would have two rules oblerved ^ firft that old , curious, deepe and intricate queftions might bee a- voided in, the fundamental! inftrudli- on of a people. Secondlv^ that there fliould not bee any (uch departure from thePapifts in all things, as that;,bccaufe Uveein (bme points agree with them; ^ therefore we fhould be accounted tote in error. ' To the former, Dodlor Remolds did adde the prophanation of the Sabbath day^and contempt of his Maje/iies Procla- mation, made for the reforming of that abuft, of which hee earneftly defired a ftraighter courie for reformation thereof, and unto this he found a generall and ua^ animous alTent ..c>il^ G } Aftet ^6 The fumme of the Conference After thac,hce moved his Majefly , that there might bee a new Tranflation of the Bible,becaure,thofe which were allowed in the reigne of King Henry the Eighty and Ed-^pard the fixt, were corrupt , and not anfwerabletothe truth of the Origi- nail. For example, firft^ Galatians 4. 25. the Greke word having ^^ found in them which are annexed to the ^^ Geneva tranflation (which hee law in a ^^ Bible given him by an E)igltp? Lady ) '^ IbmeNotes very partially untrue, fediti- ^^ ous, and favouring too much of dange- ^^rous, and traiterous conceits. As for ex- ample;, 4-8 TIjefumme of the Conference '*^ ample, the fir ft Chapter oi Exodus and ^^ the nineteenth Ver(e,where the margi- *:^rnall Note alloweth Dilobedience unto " King.And i. Chro.i^^ \6. the note taxeth ^^ ^fa for depofing his mother, onely,and ^^inot kilUng her : And (b concludeth this ^^ point as all the reft,\vith a grave and ju- *^^ dicious advice. Firft^ that errors in mat- ^^ ters of Faith might bee rectified and ^'amended. Secondly ;, that matters in- ^' different might rather be interrupted, 6c ^^ a gloffe added ; alleaging from Oartolus ^^ de reg;7io,that,as better a King with (bme ^^ weakneffe, than ftill a change- lb rather ^^ a Church with Ibme faults^thaan fnho- '^ vation. And fiirely, faith his Majejiy , if ^^ theie be the greateft matters you be grie- ^' ved withal heed not have been troubled ^^ with fitch importunites 3c complaints, ^^ as have beene made unto me • Ibme o- ^'^ther more private courle might have ^^ beene taken for your fatisfadion, and '^ withall , looking upon the Lords, hee ^^^niookehis head,lmiling. The before the Icings Majesty. ^^ The kft point ( noted by Dodor g ^tnolds ) in this firfl: head, for Doctrine, was^ that unlawful! and (editious Books might bee fupprefled, at leaft reftained, and imparted to a few: forbythehber- ty of pubhfhing fuch Bookes, fb com- monly , many young SchoUers^ and un- letled minds in both Llniverfities ^ and through the whole Realme , were cor- rupted and perverted ; naming for one inllance , that Booke entituled , J)e ju- re Ma^iflrcitus in Suhditos , publiflied of late , by Fklerus a Papift;, and applied - againft the Queenes Majefty that laft was/or the Pope : The Bifhop of Lon^ don (uppofing^as it feemed;, himlelfc to be principally aimed at , anfwered , firft, to the generall , that there was nodich licentious divulging of thole Bookes , as hee imagined or complained of : and that none ^ except it were fuch as Do- (5lor (?^/w. who were fuppofed , would conlumc them^ had liberty by autho- rity to buy them : Againe ^ luch Bookes H canK 50 Thefumme of the Conference came into the Realmc , by many lecret conveiances, fo that there could not bee a perfect notice had of their importati- on : Secondly^ to the particular inftance ofFiclerus^ heeiaid;, that the Author T>e jure ^ /?)',totcll D.^t'/«. that hee was a better Colledge-man then a States man • for if his meaning werc,totax die ^^ Bifhop "of London , for iliffering thofc *^'^bookeS;,bctvveene the Secular Priefts, dc ^^ lediitcs lately publifhed , (b freely to *'*' pafTe abroad ,• His Majejly would have ^"^ him and his AflTociates to know , and ^•^ willed them alfo to acquaint their adhc- *^'' rents and friends abroad therewith;,thac ^'^ the (aid Bifhop was much injured and ^' flandered in that behalfc, who did no- ^'' thing therein, but by warrant from the " Lords of the Councell, whereby^ both ^^ a Schifme betweene them was nouri- " died, and alfo his Majeflies ownc caufe "and Title handled ; the Lord (la/ affir- H 2 ming ' liked 5(5 ^hefumme of the Conference '^ liked exceeding well , very acutely tax- ing the hypocrifie of our times , which placeth all Religion in the eare, through which, there is an eafie paflage , but ^^ Praier, which exprefleth the hearts af- ^^ fection^and is the true devotion of the '^minde, as a matter putting ustoovcr- ^^ much trouble ( wherein there concurre, ^^ ifpraier be as itought;,an unpartiall con-' ^^ fideration of our owne eftates , a due c- ^^ xamination to whom wee pray ;, an ^^ humble confesfion of our fins, with an *^^ hearty Ibrrow for them ; and repen- " tance not fevered from faith ) is ac* ^^ counted and uied as the leaft part of Re- The ftcond was , that till fiich time as learned and fufficient men might bee planted in every Congregation , that, godly Homilies might bee read , and the number of them increaftd, and that the Opponents would labour to bring them into credit againe , as formerly they brought them into contempt. Eve- ry before the K^ngs Majes/y. 5 7 ryMan ( faith hec ) that can pronounce well^cannot indite well. *^^ The Kings Mdjejly approved this ^^ motion;, efpecially, where the Uving is ^' not (iifficient for maintenance of a lear- ^' ned Preacher ,• as alfo in places^ where ^^ plenty of Sermons are;, as in the City,, * which hee then inferred was^ Ecclef, 48, los where bee charged the Author of that Booke , to have held the before the Kjpgs AdLajeflj. €i the lame opinion with the /(?Tb« at this Day^namely, that £//^, in perfon^ was to come before Chiift^ and there- fore as yet Chrift by that reafbn , not comeintheflcflijand lb;, conlequently, it imply ed a deniall of the chiefe Article of our redemption : his rpalon of thus charging the Author , was, be^aule that Ecclns y u(ed the very word odBt'uu in perjouy which the Prophet M^^^ci;j, Cap. 4. dochapplyto an£//W inrelemblancC;, which both an Angeli, Luke 17. and our Saviour Chrift^Mtf. u. didJnterprec;to h^John Sapti^i. The anfwerwas,, as the obje<5tion, twofold. Firfl, generally for ^pocrjpha Sookes ; The Bifliop q( Lon- don fhewing, firft^ for the antiquity of them , that the moft of the objedi- ons made againft thole Books were the old Cauils of the leyi^es ,.renew^€d by S Jerome in his time;, who was thcfirft that gave them the name of yfpochry^ pha y which opinion , upon %ijfims hio challenge, hee^ after a Ibrtpdifclaimed, I 3 the 6z TJye ftirnme of the Conference the rather , becaule a generall offence was taken at his fpeeches in that kinde, Firft, for the continuance of them i n the Church out of I:\jmedoncius , and Chemnitius^ two moderne writers. The Bifhop of Wmton remembred the diftindlion of S. lerome , Canontcifunt ad informandos mores , non ad confirmandam fidem;KNh\c\\ diftindtion he (aid, muft be held fot-1*}je'juftifying of fundryCoun- " eels. His MajcUy in the end , (aid , hee ^' would take an even order betweene *"' b"oth,affirniing,that he would not wifli -^■^li £anon'tcall bookes to bee read in the ^^-Church^unleflTe^chere were one to intcr- ^^ pret^nor.any J'pochrypha dt all, wherein *^' there was any error, but forthe other^ ^^ which were cleare, and corre(pondent ^^ to the Scriptures, he would have them ^'rcad, forel(e, (aithhis MajeUy , why ^"^ were they printed ? and therein (hewed " the u(e of the bookes ofMachabees^ very ^^ good to make up the ftory of the per(c- ^^cution of the lems -^ but not to teach a man before the Kij^gs Majejly. he to the Lordsj " What;,trow yee, make thefe Men fo an- ^^ gJ^y with Ecdeftajiicns ? By my ibule^ I -^thinkehewasa Bifhop ;, or elie they ^^ would never ufe him Co. But for thege- " nerall, it was appointed by his Majefiy] ^^that Do6lor ^in, fliould note th oft ^^ Chapters miht ^pochrypha hooke, where ^^ thole offenfive places were, and iliould ^^ bring them unto the Lord J^rchhijhop of ^^ Canterbury againft ^e^wyS^j next, and '^ lb he was wiMed to gi)e on. The next Scruple againft Suhfcription Was : ^2iio\A Qramhe his poftta , that in the common Pi'ayer Booke , it is twile ftt downe ^ lejus 'ftid to his Difciples j when as by the next originall it is plaine ,• t]\3,tho fpah to the Tharifees, To which it before the K^ngs Majesty. 6s it was anfwered , that for ought that could appeare by the places , hce might ipeakeaivvelltohis Difct^ks , theybeinc^ prefcnt;,as to the Tharifces. But his Mr yV/?> keeping an even hand, willed that the word J)tfc'tples fliould bee omitted, and the words lejus fa'id, to be printed in a different letter, chat might appeare, not to be a part of the Text. The third obje6lion againft Snhjcriiu tiouy "w^XQ Inter rogatories m^aj^t I jmc, pro- pounded to Infants, which being a pro- found point, was put upon MJ\jiewJlubs ro purfiie : who in a long and perplexed ipeech,(aid fomething out oij'uskn^ that ^aptl^nre was credere , but what it was, his Maje^y plainely confcfled , Ego non intelligo, and asked the Lords what they thought hec meant ; it ftemed that one prefent conceived him , for hee ftanding at his backc, bade him urge that pundt, urge that pun<5l , that is a good point. My Lord of Winton ayraing at his mea- ning ^ flicwed him the ufe thereof out of K Saint 66 The^umme of the Conference Saint JuHen , and added the Fathers rea- fbn for it ^ Q^i peccauit in altero , credat in altero j which was leconded by his Mac jeHy ( whom it pleaftd , for the reft of the matters which followed , himfelfe alone to anfwer ^ and juftly might hee appropriate it to him(elfe , for none prc^ fentwere ablc;, with quicker conceit to iinderftand, with a more fingular dexte- rity to refute , with a more judicious re- Iblution to determine , then his MajeUy : herein being more admirable , that thele points, wherein (bme thought him pre- judicial! to the contrary, allofus (iippo- " fed him to have beene but a ftranger to '^ them , he could fo inteUigerttly appre- ^*^ hend and lb readily argue about them, ) f; it was jl fay^feconded by his Maj ejiy- fivd^ ^' i.by reafon that the queftion ihould be ^^ propounded to the.party whom it prin- " cipally concerned ^- Secondly ^by example '"^ of himfelft to whom interrogatories *"• were propounded when he w^as crow- •^^^ncd in his infancy j IQn^ of Scotland, And before the E^n^s Majesty. 6y And heere his Majejiy^ ( as hereafter ac the end of every objection he did ) asked them whether they had any more to lay. M. I'QiewHubs tooke exceptions to the - CrofTein Baptilnie , beeing in number •" two. Firft^ the offence of Weake bre- i thren , grounded upon the words of S/Pauly (^w.14. and i Cor.^M::^ the con- fciencesofthe Weake , not to bee offen- ded : w^hich places his excellent Majejly anfvvered mofl acutely^ beginning; with that generall rule of the Fathers : D'tfi'm^ ^^ g^ue tempora^ , <(s* co?ic&rdabnnt Scriptune^ '^ fhewing heere the difference of thole ^^ times and ours,then a Church not fully ^' planted, nor letled, but ours long ftabli- ^''fhedand flouriflhingj then Chriftians ^*^ newly called from Paganifine, and not ^^ throughly grounded • which is not the '' cafe of this Church, feeing that Heathc- ^^ niflh Do6trine, for many yecres hath ^^ beene hence abandoned.Secondly,with " a queftion unanlwerable , asking them ^^ how long they would be Wcake ? whe- K 2 ther u cc 6% Thejumme of the Conference ^^ ther 45. yeereswerc not fufficient for '^'' them to grow ftrong ? fourthly, who ^^ they were pretended this weakenefTe : '^ For we/aith the i(j>2^, require not now ^' Subicription of Laikes and Idiots^ but Preachers and Minifters^ who are not ftill J troWpto be fed with milke^but are ^^ enabled to feedc others -fourthly, that it was to be doubted , fome of them were ftrong enough^ if not headftrong , and howfoever they in this cale pretended " WeakenefTe, yet fome, in whole behalfe " they now Ipake ^ thought themlelves ^^ able to teach him^ and all the Biflhops of ''^ the Land. His objedion againft the Croffe con- fifted of three Interrogatories • Firfl: , Whether the Church had power to infti- tute an externall fignificant figne ? to which was replied^firft, that he miftooke the ufeof the Croile with us, which was not u(ed in Baptifme, any otherwift then onely as a ceremony : Secondly, by their owne example ^ who make impofition of before the K^gs Aldjefly. tf 9 of hands in their ordinacion of Paftors^ to be a figne fignificant. Thirdly^in prayei';, faith the Bifliop of Winton, the kneeHng on the ground;, the lifting up of our hands ^ the knocking of ourbrcfts, are Ceremonies fignificant. The firft, of our humihty comming be- fore the mighty God • The fecond^, of our confidence and hope j the other , of our fbrrow and deteftation of our fins , and thele are^and may lawfully be uled. Laft- ly^M. Deane of the Chappell remembred the pradife of the loi^es, who unto the infliitution of the Pafieover , prelcribed unto them by Mofes , had, as the Rab- bins witneffe , added both fignes and words^eating Ibwre herbs^, and drinking wine, with thele words, to both. Take and eat thele in remembrance,&:c.Drinke this in remembrance, &c.Upon which addition and tradition of theirs , our Sar- viour inftituted the Sacrament of his lafl: Supper , in celebrating it with the iame words ^ and after the fame manner j K 3 there- 70 Thefumme of the Conference thereby approving that fa6l of theirs in particular, and generally ^ that a Church mayinftituce and tetaine a figne iignifi- cant : which (atisfied his MajeUy excee- ding well. ', e/ • ^^ And here the IQn^ defired to have ^^ himfelfe made acquainted about the an- ^'^ ticjuity of the u(e of the Crofle , which D. ^ynolds confeflfed to have beene ever lincc the Apoftles times j but this was the difficulty, to prove it of that an- cient u(e in Baptifme. For that at their going abroad , or entering into the Church J or at their prayers and bene- didionSjit was u(ed by the Ancients^ dc-f fired no great proofe : But whether in Baptilme, Antiquity approved it , was the doubt caft in by M. Deane of 5^* rum y whom his MajeHy fingled out, with a fpeciall Encomion , that he was a Man well travelled in the Ancients : which doubt was anfwered ohfignatis ta^ hulps^hy the Dean oiWejlmMiery (whom the Kings Majesty , upon my Lord of Londons before the K^ngs Majefly. y i Lo?2iio«i motion, willed tolpeake to that point) out of Te/t«//w^z, Cyprian, Origen, and others , that it was ufed in Immor uu li laVacro: which words being a little def- canted, it fell from one, I thinke it was my Lord oiVVjncheUe)\ohneryio fay, that in CoyiHantine his time , it was u(ed in *"' Baptifme.What quoth the/Sj«^,and is ic " now come to that palTe, that wee fliall ^' appeach ConUantine of Popery , and fu- ^^ perdition ? if then it were u(ed,(aith his *^ Majejljyl fee no reafon,bLK: that ftill w^e ^' may continue it. M. K^ie'^flubs his Second cjueftion was,that put cafe , the Church had ilich power to adde fignificant fignes ^ w^he- ther it might there adde thern, where Chrifl: had already ordained one ^ which hee faid was no leffe derogatory , to Chrifb inftitucion , as hee thought, then if any potentate of this Land, fhould pre- *' fume to adde his Seale to the great Scale ^^ oiBnglantL To w^hich his Majefly an- ^*;lwered/hat the cafe was not alike, for that 7z The fumme of the Conference ^' that no figne or thing was added to the ^'' Sacrament , which was fully and per- ^^ fedly finifhed ;, before any mention of "theCroffeis made^, for confirmation ^'^ whereof, he willed the place to be read. Laftly, if the Church had that power alfb^yetthe greateft Scruple to their Con- Icience was , how farre fuch an ordi^ nance of the Church was to binde them, ^^ without impeaching their Chriftian Li- ^^ berty ? whereat^, the Kjng, as it ftemed, ^ ^^ was much mooved;,and told him ;, hec ^' would not argue that point with him^ ^^ butanlwer therein^as Kings are wont to Ipeake in Parliament ;, Le ^y s^aVtfera^ adding withal^that it fmelled very rank- '^ ly of Anabaptifiiie : comparing it into *^' theuiageofabeardleffe boy, ( oneM. '*' lohn ^lack) who the laft Conference his '^My^^ had with the Minifters in Scot^ ^^ Lvid^ (in December }6oi.) told him, that ^^ hee would hold conformity with his ^^ MajeHies ordinances, for matters of do- ^^ drine : but for matters of Ceremonic, they before the K^n^^s M^jesfy. 75 ^' they were to be lefcin Chriftian Liberty, ^*^ to every man, as he received more and ^more light;, from the illumination of ^'^Gods fpirit^ even till they goe mad, *'*^ quoth the i(j>g, with their owne light : '*' but I will none of that ; I will have one '^^dodlrine, and one diiciplinc, one Re- ^' ligion in fubftance , and in ceremo- "ny: and therforel charge you never to ^^ fpeake more to that point_,(howfaryou ^' are bound to obey?) when the Church " hath ordained it . And fo asked them a - *'^gaine,ifthey had any thing elle to lay. D.%r)niolds objected the example c-f the Bra(en Serpent, demolifhed and rtampt to powder by B^echyas, becaufe the people abuled it to Idolatry, wiiliing that in like fort, the Croffe (liould bee abandoned , becaule , in the time of Popeiy, it had beene fuperftitiouHy a. biifed . Whereunto the Kings MaieFiy anfwercd divers wayes . Firft, quoth he , though I bee fufficiently perfwa- ded of the CrolTe in Baptilmc,andthe L com- 74- The ji^irme of the Conference ^^ commendable ufe thereof in the Church ^*^lbloncy. yet;, if there were nothing eKe ^' to move mee, this very argument were ^^ an inducement to me ;, for the retaining ^^ of it;, as it is now by order eftabhlhed : ^* For inafmuch,as it was abufcd;. So you ^^ rAy^tofuperftition^intime of Popery;, it ^^ doth plainly imply ;,that it was wel ufed ^^ before Popery,l will tell you, I have li- ^Wed among this fort of men;, ( fpeaking "^^ to the Lords and Bifiiops,) ever fince ^' I was tenne yeares old, but I may fay of *'''my felfe , as Chrift did of himfelfc;, "'^Though I lived amongft them;, yet fince ^^ 1 had ability to judge , I was never of ^^ them ,• neyther did any thing make mee '''^more to condemne , and deteft their ^^ courfeS;,then that they did fo perempto- '^ rily difallow of all things, which at all ^' had beene u(ed in Popery. For my part, " 1 knt>w not how to anfwer the obje(5ti- ^^ on of the Papifts , when they charge us ^*^ with Novelties : but truly to tell them^ ^^ that their abuies are New^but the things which c my '^'^ Councell , and all our proceedings : ^' Then Will dial ftand up and fay,It mufl '^'^bethusj then D/cAe fh all reply and lay, **^ Nay Mary,but we wil have it thus.And <■*' therfore, here I muft once reiterate my '^ former ipeech , Le ^y s ' avifcra : Stay ^^ I pray you, for one leaven years, before ^^ you demand that of me: and if then ^"^you finde mce pur(ey and fat, and f^ my winde pipes ftuffed, I will per- c^'haps hearken to you : for let that Go- <^Wernmenc be once up, I am fure I '-^ flhall be kept in breath , then fhall w^ee <*^ all of us have worke enough , both our **" hands full . But Doctor • (I{ey?idds M till Si Tlkfumme oftBe Conference '•^ till you finde that I grow lazi e ^ let that '^ alone. And heere, becaule that O. ^eyn, had twiie before obtruded the KingsjSupre- made ,• fir ft , in the Article concerning the Pope ; Secondly , in the point of Subfcription , his Majejly at tho(e times ^^ faid nothing : but now growing to an ^' endjhe (aid^ I fliall fpeake of one matter '^^ more; yet fbmewhat out of order :but it ^^ skilleth not. D. 5^72 .quoth the King,you '"'^ have often fpoken for my Supremacy j ^^ 6c it is welljbut know you any heere;,or ^' any el(e -where, who like of the prefent ^'^ Government Ecclefiafticall , that finde ^^ fault or diflike my Supremacy? D.^y?t, "faidjNo. Why then, C^idhis Maje^y^ I ^'^ will tell you a Tale. After that the Reli- '^ gion reftored by King Edward the Sixth, ^^ was (bone overthrowne^by the fiiccefli-. ^^ on of Queene Mary heere in England,'wc " in Scotland felt the tScd: of it. Whereup- ^^ on M.Knox writes to the Q ueene Rc- " gent/of^whom without flattery, I may fay. before the K^ngs Majesty. 85 iay . that flie was a vertuous and mode- rateLadjJ^tellingher thacfheew ^' pre meRead oFtlie Churchj and charged ^^ her,as file would afll\ver it before Gods ^^ tribunaI,to take care"6FChnfl: his Evan- **'gill^and ofluppresfing thePopiFFPre- ^' lates,\vho wirhftoodthe (ame.But how ^^ longjtrow yee^did this continue r Even ^^ fo Iong,till by her authority _, the Popifh ^^ Bifliops were reprefled^he him(elfe,and '^ his Adherents werebrous;ht inland well ^^ letled, and by thele meanes made ftrong *^' enoui;h,to undertake the matiiers of Re- ^^ rormatio themftlves. Th en ioe^they be . ^^ gan tn makermallrKpf^ nnrnFlnprSnp^^- macy, nor would longer reft on her au- thority , but tooke the cauie into their owne hand,and according to that more ^^ light^whcrwiththey were illuminated, ^^ made a further Reformatio of Religion. "How they u(ed that poore Lady my mo- " ther,is not unknowne, and with griefc *^^ I may remember it. who , bccaufe fhee ^"^hadnocbeene otherwift inftruded,did M 2 defire. §4- Thefumme of the Conference ^^ dcfire^onV ^a private C happe]) ^wherein ^IxQjc rveTjod after her maner^with Tom e ** lew lelected perlons,buc her (upremacy ^^ was not lurhcientto^obtai ne it at their ^' hands *- And how they dealt with me in ^^ ^my minority ^ycu all know it was not '"don leer ecly,and though 1 would,! can* not concealeit. I will apply it thus. "And then putting his hand to his Hat;, ^' his Maejsiy layd,myLords^the Bifliops, ^'Imaythank.eyoU;,that thele men doe ^'^ thus plead for my Supremacy. They " thinke they canot maketheir party good *^'^againft you p but by appeahng unto it, * ■ as ifyou_, or fome that adhere unto you, " were not wel afifeded towards it. But if ounce you were out^and they in place, I know what would become of my Su- premacy . No Biniop;,no King^as before ^^l iayd. Neither do I thus fpeake at ran^- ^^ dome, without ground/or I have obfer- " ved fince my comming into England^ " that fbme Preachers before me , can be ^^c.pntenc to pray for lames King- of £«g;:= ' land, cc cc before the K^gs Ad^jefly. 8y ^* lafidy Scotland ^France yc:jrlrela7id ^defender: 5' of the FaitB^uc as for fupreame Gover- ^'^ aor^ iiTallTatifts^and over al perfons (as '"^ well Ecclefiafticall asGivill )• they palfc ^* that over with *{ilence/.&\vhat cut they ^'^ have beene of,l after learned. After this "askingthem, if they had any more to *'^objed-6c D.^o'-^^^'^'^vring no ,his Majc- y?)' appoynted the next wednefday for both parties to meete before him, and ri- fing from his Chaire;, as he was going to his inner Chamber _, If this be all , c]Lioth ^'^he;, that they have to fay^ 1 fliall make ^^ them conforme themfelves^or I wil har- ^^ ry them out of this lad, or el(e do worle. And this was the fumme of the (econd dayes Conference, which raifed inch an admiration in the Lords^ia relped: of the King his fingular readynefle, and exact knowledge,that one of them faid,he was fully pevfwaded,hisA/.ijV/fy fpake by the inftindi of the fpirit of God. My Lord Cicill acknowledged, that very much wee are bound to God, who had given M 3 us $6 The fumrne of the Conference Aisa King of an underftandingheart.My Lord Chancellor paffing but of the pri- vy Chanmber , (aid unfo* tBe Deane of CheHer , (landing bythedoore ; I have often heard and read 5 that (2^x eTt mixta perfor?a cum Sacerdotej but I never faw the truth thereof till this day. Surely , wholbever heard his MajeUy, might juftly thinke ;, that title did more properly fit him;, which Eunapim gave to that famous Rhetorician, in iaying, that he was , '^'/'^'•W" r,t if^,r^v)c>c» timfiimtKf f*u'i7*r,A, liviuff Li- brary ,and a Walking Studie. Finis fecund^ diet. THE ^7 THE THIRD DAYES Confer encc. ?fPon Wcdnelclay , lanu^ arte i8. all the Bidiops aforenamed ^. attended at the Court , and the Deanes : who were all called into the Privic Chamber , and who To elfe my Lord Arch-Bifliop appointed , ( for fuch was his Maje^ Hies pleafure ) whereupon the Knights and Doaors of the Arches , Vi^, Sir Daniel T^unne , Sir TI?omas Crumpton , Sir rury 8S The fumme of the Conference Do6tor Drwrjeiuredin. As (bone as the Z^iw^ was fet ;, the Lord Archbifhop pre- iented unto hinci a note of thofe poynts, which hisM^jeUy had referred to their coafideration ^upon the firll day, and the alteration , or rather explanation of them in our Liturgie. 1 Abfblution or Remiffion of finnes, in the Rubrike of Abfb- lution. 2 In private Baptifme, thelawfull Minifter prelent, J Examination;, w^ith Confirmation of Children. 4 lefus laid to them ; twift to be put into the Dominicall Gofpels, in fieadof i/7j well ^^ approved ; and added withall^that thole ^'Bifliops who have in their DioceflTes^ '*'thc moft troubleibme & refradtary per- '*^(bns,either Papifts, or Puritans, : but of ^'^this , asalfoofthe other things found ^' fault with hercin^he willed thofe to con- ^''fult;, to whom fhould be appointed the review of the Comm'tsfion, And here that point had ended;, but that one of the Lords , ( I thinke verily rather upon miC- information;, then fet purpoft , ) pleaied to (av , that the proceeding thereby, was like unto thQSpaniJh Inquifition, where- N 2 in pi The f mime of the Conference ia men were urged to (ublcribe more then Law required, that by the Oach£x cfftcio y they were inforccd to accule themftlves ; that they were examined up- on xO;,or 24. Articles, upon the fiidden, without deUberation , and for the raoft partagainft themlelves : for ch^ evidence thereof,a letter was Qicwed of an ancient Honourable Councellor^ written to the Lord Arch-Biflhop, Jiim, 1584. of two Minifters ofCamhridgeJliyey then or there abouts , examined upon many Articles, and in the end deprived. The Lord Arch-Bifhopanlwered^firft, to themat- cer^that in the manner of proceeding, and examining, his Lordftiip was deceived : for ifaiiy Article did touch the party any way, eytherforHfe, liberty, orfcandall, he might refu(e to an(wer,ney ther was he urged thereunto ; Secondly, tothe Letter^ being in a cauft twenty yceres fince deter- mined, hee could notanlwertheparticu- lars,but if his anfwer to that Letter were found out,hee doubted not , but as it did fatisfic before the K^gs Adajejly. pj iadsfie that honourable Councellor when he hved , fo it would alio fufficiently cleare this complaint before his Majesty. My Lord of London , for the matter of Subicription^ fhewedhisHiig/wejf/t'the 3. ' Articles^, which the Church-men of Eng:: land are to approve by Sublcribingj name- ly, the I\jngs Supremacy . the Articles of Religion , and the Booke of Common Prayer. All which it pleaied his Majesty himfelfe, to read , ( and after a litle glance given ^ that the mention of the Oath Ex offtdOyCSLtnc in before his due time ) he di= lated, firft, howncceflary Subfcription was , in every well governed Church ; that it was to be urged, for the keeping of peace : for as Laws to prevent killing;,did provide there fhould bee no quarrelling j fo to prevent greater tumults in the Church^fubfcriptio was requifite- Second- ly, becaufe the Bifhop is to an(\ver fore- very Minifter, whom hee admictcth into his Dioceffe, it were fitteft for him ;, to know the afFedion of the party be- N 3 fore (C a (C 94- ^hefummeofthe Conference fore his admittance , the beft way to know him, and to prevent future facti- ons, was to urge his iiibfcription at his firft entrance : for, Turp'tm eijchur ^ cjuam non admit titur hofpes. Thirdly^as Iiibfcrip- tion was a good meanes to difcerne the affedion of perfbns , whether quiet or ^' turbulent ,• withall,it was the principall way to avoyd confufion : concluding^ that if any , after things were well orde- red would not be quiet , and fliew his ^^ obedience,the Church were better with- ^'^ out hina, he were worthy to be hanged. '^^ T)'£Hat utpereat nnm^ quam unitds. Touching the Oath , £x o^ao , the Lord Chancellor, and after him the Lord Treafurer , fpake both for the neceffity & u(e thereof in diverfe Courts , and cafes. " But his Excellent MajeUy preventing ^^ that old allegation. Nemo cogitur^detege^ *^ refuam turpkudineniy laid, that the Civill- ^^ proceedings only puniflied faiSts, but in ^^ Courts Ecclefiafticall , it was requifitey ^^ that Fame and Scandales fliould be loo- . ked cr before the Kings Majejly. py ked unto. That here was neceflary, the Oath Compurgatorie , and the Oach Ex officio too ; and yet great moderation " flioLild be uled , firft. In gmVwr'ibmcrU " minibus : and Secondly,in fiich^vvhereof ^' there is a pubhque fame : Thirdly^in di- ^\ ftinguifliing of pubh que Fame ^ either ^^ caufed by theinordinate demeanor of the *^' ofFendor^jOr raifed by the undifcreet pro- ^^ ceeding in triall of the fad: as namely in '^ Scotland y\N\\^tt the lying with a wrench ^^ (though done privately j and knovvpe^ ^'^or fcarce fufpe6ted by two or three per- ^^ ions before ) was made openly know^nc ^^ to the Kingjto theQuecne,to the Prince, '^ to many hundreds in the Courtpby brin- '^ ging the parties to theftoole ofRepen- ^^ tance, and yet perhaps be but a lulpition '^onely. And here his M^/e^folbundly ^'^ defcribed the Oath Hxq^/ao : Firft^ for '''the ground thereof: Secondly^jThe wif- '^ dome of the Law therein. Thirdly ^Thc *^^ manner of proceeding cherebv;, and the ^^ ncceflary and profitable efFe6t thereof, in 9^ The frmme of the Concert /ice ^^ in fuch a compendious^but abfolute or- " dcr, that all the Lords and the reft of the ^^preftnt Auditors , flood amazed at it: The Arch-Bifhop of Canterbury Qiid^ that undoubtedly his Majejly (pake by the fpeciall aififtance of Gods Spirit , The Bifhop of London upon his knee , prote- fted , chat his heart melted within him, ( as fo hee doubted not , did the hearts ofthe whole Company ) with joy, and made hafte to acknowledge unto Al- mighty God , the fingular mercie wee have received at his hands , in giving us fuch a Kjfig^ as fince Chrift his time , the like he thought had not beene ^ where- unto the Lords with one voycc, did yeeld a very afFe(5tionate acclamation. The Civilians preftnt, confeffed , that they could not in many houres warnings have Co judicially^plainly, and accurately, and in fuch a briefe delcribed it. ' " After this , his Majejly committed ^^ Ibme weighty matters to bee confiilted ^^ of,by the Lords and Bifliops ^ firft , for Excom- before the ^ngs Majesty.^ 9 7 ^^ Excomunication^ in caufes of Icfle mo- *^^ment; the name or cenfiirc to be altered. ^'^ Secondly, for the High Commiflion, ^^thecjuality of the perlbns to be named, ^^ and the nature of the caufes to be hand- ^Mcdtherin. Thirdly, for reculant Com- •^ municants: for there are three Ibrts^laith *^' his Majefty^ of the Papifts: Some;, firfl-, " which come to Sermons^ but not to (er- ^' vice and prayer,- lecondly, Ibme which ^^come to both them, but not to the ^^ Communion- thirdly,a number which *^'^abftainefrom all. That inquiry might '^ be made of all thole^ who were of the ^^ firft, (econd, or third ranke, concluding ^^ therein, That the weake were to be in- *^ formed, the wilfuU to be puniflied. Here my Lord Chancellor mentioned the writ, T>e Excommunkcito capiendo^ which his Hon. faid did moft affright the Papifts, ofall other punifhments, be- caulcby reafbn of that they were many waycs difabled in law:therforc he would take order^ if his MajeHy Co plea(cd,to O fend pS Tloefunme of the Conference fend that writ out againft them freely, without charge , and if they were not executedjhis Lordfhip would lay the Vnder-Iheriffes in Priibn, and to this the King a (Tented. " The fourth thing to be confalted of, ^^ was for the (ending and appointing of " Preachers into Ireland^ whereof, (aith " \i\sMajefly)\2iVCi buthalfe a/^w^,being ^' Lord over their bodies, but their (oules ^'^ feduced by Popery , hee rnuch pittied, ^^ affirming, that where there is not true ^^ Religion , there can bee no continued *^ obedience • nor FovIrela?id only, but for ^^ (bmepartofW^j/^x , andtheNortherne ^^ borders,(b once called, though now no^ ^^ borders :the men to be fent,nottobefa- *^ dtious^ or (eandalous,for weeds will be ''' weeds, whcrelbever they be, and are " good for nothing , but to be picked over ^^ the wall, therefore they fhould (ingle '* out.men of fincerity,of knowledge, of ^^ courage. ^^ Thelaftwas/orprovifion of fuffici- cnt before thel^np MajeHy. pp ^^ ent maintenaacc for the Clergie; and ^^ wichall/or the planting of a learned and '''' painefull Miniller in every Parifli ^ as ^'^time fliall icrve. '^ To every of thofe, his Maje/ly willed ^^thac ftverall Commifljoners of his ^' Coiincell and Bi/Lops fliould be ap- ^^ pointed by the Lord, upon the diffol- ^' ving the alTembly preient. And thus having conferred of thefc points with the Bifliops , and referred other fbmeof them , ay you heard, to fpcciall Committies, his Majefiy willed, that D. ^jin. and his aflbciates ;, fhoiild be called in - to whom , he preftntly j(ig- nified, what was done, andcaufed the alterations , or explications , before na- med, to be read unto them. A Hcledii^ puting there Was , about the words in Marriage, With my body I thee worfhip, and arguing no other thing to be meant, by the word worfliip,thcn that , which S,Taul willeth, i Cor.y* 4« the man there- by acknowledgingjthat hereby hee wor- O 1 fliippeth 100 TJ9efmme of the Conference fhippetii his wife^ inth;ie he appropria- teth his body urito her alone : nor any more, then that which S. ^eier coun- (elleth, I (Per. 3.7. That the man fhould give honour to his wife, as the weaker vcflell yet for their fatisfadtion^ fhould be put in, With my body I thee worfhip^and honor, if ic were thought ht- andlo his Majesty {hwt up allvvithamofl pithy ex- '^^ hortationtoboth fides for ^nity, per- *' fvvading diligence in each mans place;, ^^without violence on the one party, or *^ difobediece on the other & willed them ^^ to deale with their frieds abroad to that ^^ purpofe • for his MajeHy feared, and had *^fbme experience, that many of them *^ were ticliflh and humorous,nor that on- *^ ly, but laborers to pervert others to their *^ fancies; he now law,that the exceptions, ^'againft the Comunion Booke, were ^'^ matters of weakneffe; therefore, if the ^^ perfons reluctant be difcreec, they Avill " be won betimes,and by good perfvvafi- ^ ons^if undilcieetpbetter they were remo-' ved: before the K^ngs Majejly. loi ^^ ved:for many, by their Eidrious behavi- ^^ our vveredrivento bePapifts.Now then " of their fraits^he (hall judge themj Obe- ^^ dienceand Humility being marks of ho- '^ neft and good men.Thofe he expcded of '' them and by their example and perfvva- '^ fion of all their (ort abroad/or^if hereaf- " ter, thi ngs being thus well ordred, they '*" fhould be unquiet, neither his Majefy ' *^' nor the ftate had any caufe to think well ^^ of them.To which^they gave al their un- animous aflentjtaking exception againft nothing that was laid or done, but promiftd to performe all duty to the BifliopSj as their Reverend Fathers, and to joyne with them againft the com- mon advcrfarics, and for the quiet of the Church. Only, Maftcr Qhattemn of Emanu^ el CoUedge, kneeling, requefted that che wearing of thcSurplis, and the ufe of the Crofle in Baptifine, might not be urged upon (bmc honcft, godly, and painfull Minifters in fome parts of Lan^ O3 cajhirc;, 102 The fumme of the Conference capire , who feared , that if they (Iiould beforccd unto them , many whom they had won to the Go(pell, vvould (lidt backe , and revolt unto Popery againe, and particularly , inftanced the Vicar of ^tejdale ( he could not have light upon aworie-, ) for not many yeeres before, he was proved before my Lord Arch-Bi- fhop^as his Grace there teftified , and my Lord Chancellor , by his unieemely and unreverent u&ge of the Eucharift , dea- ling the bread out of a Basket, every man putting in his hand , and taking out a peecc , to have made many loath the ho- ly Communion, and wholly refule to *^ come to Church His MajeUy anfwered, ^' that it was nothispurpofe^andhe durft " anixver for the Bifliops , that it was ^''^ not their intent , prefently^and out of ^' hand to inforcethoicthings^withoutfa- " thcrly admonitions, conferences , and '^ pcrfwafions premiftd ; but wifhed,that ^^ k flaould be examined, if thofe Men by ^^theirpaines and preaching had conver- ted before the K^/igs Adcjje fly. loj ^^ ted any from Popery, and were withall ^' men quiec of dilpoficion, honeft of life, " and diligent in their calling 5 if (b,letters '^fliould be written to the Bifliop of Che- ^^ Her, ( of whom his M;j^f(^ gave a very ^^ good teftimony ) to that purpole : if ^^ not^but that they were of a turbulent '^ and oppofite fpirit, both they and other *'*' of that unquiet humor flhould preiently ^' be enforced to a conformity : and fo for '^ that point, it was concluded ;, that my " Lord Arch-Bifhop fliould write to the ^^ Bifliop ofQyeJler , his Letters for that '^matter. My Lord o( London replieth, that if this were granted, the Copy of theft Letters ( efpccially , if his MajeUy had written, as at firft it was purpofed ) would flie over all England , and then other , for their confines, would imake the lame re- queft, and lb no fruit fhould follow of this Conference , but things would be worfe then they were before. There- fore he humbly defired his Majejiy^ that ia4. The fi^mme of the Conference a time fhould be limited^ within which compafle, they fhould conforme them- "lelves. To which his M^ygy?^ readily ^' affented^ and willed , that the Bifliop of '^ the DiocefTe^fhould fet them downe the ^^ time, and in the meane while conferre " with them,and if they would not yeeld, ^' whatfbever they were, to remove them, ^"^ after their time expired. No fboner was that motion ended, but downe fals M. IQietvHubsy and he re- quefts the like favour, of forbearance, for fome honeftMinifters in Sw^fc, telling thei^m^ it would make much againft their Credits in the Countrey, to be now forced to the Surplis , and the Croffc in Baptifme. My Lords Grace was aniwe- ring ; Nay, iayth his My e%, let me alone ," with him. Sir,faith the iQng, you fliew /*^your ielfe an uncharitable man, wee '* have here taken paines, and in the end *^ have concluded of an uaitre,and unifor- ^^mity, and you forfooth, muft prcferrc " the Credits of a few private men, before the before the J^nzs Majesty, pp ''the gcnerall peace of the Church : this is ^'juft the Scotifli Argument ,• for when ^^ stnv thins was there concluded, which ^^ difliked fome humorS;,|the onely reaibn , '^ why they w^ould not obey,waS;,it flood '^ not with their credits to yeeld,having Co ^^ long time been of the contrary opinion; ^^ I will none of that^laith the t\jn^ y and ^^ therefore , either let them conforme " themfelves , and that fhortly , or they ^^ fliail heare of it. My Lord (jcill put his Majefly in minde , of a word his /Sg;/;^ mjfe had uftd the day before, namely^ of Ambling Communions , frying , that the indecency thereof , was very offen- five ^ and had driven many from the Church : And here M. chatter ton was told of fitting Communions in Emanti=> W/Colledge; which he (aid was fo , by rcafbn of the (eats, (b placed as they be . yet,that they had (bme kneeling al(b. Finally they joyntly promiled , to bee quiet and obedient, now they knew it to be the Kings mindc;, to have it fo. His P Majejiies io6 Thefumme of the Conference MajeBies gracious conclufion was Co piercing , as that it fetched teares from fome on both fides. My Lord of London ended all-in the name of the whole com- pany ;, w^ith a Thank(giving unto God for his MajeBy , and a Prayer for the health and prolperity of his Highneffe, our gracious Queene, the young Prince, and all their Royall iffue. His Majefly departed into the inner Chamber ; all the Lords prelently went to the Councell Chamber , to appoint Commisfioners , for the fevcrall matters before referred. fI:^QS' The Preface. MAn^cofieswereftnt we, xthemf [ome mr([o jhamdejly mtrue^^S^ I ajjufeyoufo ob[ccene,that I think f his Majeftyirouldhave been as much emended with me for Printing,^^ vpith the Authors for difper- fiDg thtmJ have chojenthereofthe if eft andclunlieji^ frhicb dae here-rnderfallom, I give HO cenfure^nejther how I the J>2fperfers^ In the Reader conferre andjiidge.V^t dum eft judex fiii&obliqui. The fir ji Copy, January 15. 160$, Ir, I cannot conccale from yai the good fiicccfilcf, which it hath pleafed God to fend us, by the Confe- rtence , which his Majefty had with the Bifliops at the Court. There appeared none but the Bifhops , which were with the King above three houres.. Cant,LondWinA(t\i6,0'fiwto\\. their knees, and defiredjthat all things might remaine , left the Papiftsfhould thinkewehave bcenein an error. The King replied, that in ^2. yceres corrupti- ons might creepe in. He fpake of confirmation, private Baptifme,theCrofre, Dumbe miniftery, Nonrefidence^the Courts,wbich he promifed to amend5efpecially he fpake bitterly againft private Baptifme/aying^hehadas lievean Apeasawo- p 2 man The ^rB Qopy. man fhould baptife bis childc5& againfl: Courts^ which he laidjhe would put down.The Lo. chiefe ludice, and the Lord Keeper fpake much againlt ibem,and the Lord Cer/Z/agaiuft Excommanica- tioDs.^by Lay men.lVlafter Deane of the Chappel, fpeaking fomething to the King in bis eare , the Bifhop oiLendon infolently faid unto him, Do» dor MontAgufyi^dikQ outjtbat we may heare you and feeke not tocrofle us. At their departurcjthey faid^that if the King fhould ufe the Minifters in fuch fortjas they wrereu{ed,they would be too in. folent^The King faid,they were his rubje^s,& if he would not heare them,thcn they had ]\xi\ caufe to complaine. The Bifhops brought forth many popifh aTgumentSjwhich the King very carneftly anfwcred,and learnedly, more then ten times cal- ling them Papifh arguments , and faid by thofe reafonsjthey might prove Popcry.The Bifhop of yp'inchefter faid , that if he tooke away private Baptifme^he overthrew all Antiquity. The Bi.of Peterbtrow brought forth a fooliiTi xArguracnt, with muchdifgrace tohimfelfe.The BiiTiops ha^ ving taken Wednefday, to confider of the Kings fpeech, the Minifters came to the King on Mon- c^y atnineof the clockc.Honeftmen about the Court are comforted.Conformitansbang downc their heads , and the Biftiops men curfe the Pu- ritans. Sic explicit prima dies^ I have (Another {^. nUfUl Have fent you the declarati- on of the Conference , the which was in this manner : the fir ft day theBifhopsof chefler , making cariieft lute, -^..^^..«,^oSSa ti^at all things mtghtftanci as they did , left the Pap'fts lliould take oftence, who might ray,wc would pcrfwadcthem to come toachurchjhavingerrours in it; and the Puritans ^ will fay^they have beene perfccutcd long. The K. ^ anfwered Jhatthebeft ftatc would gather corrupt tions,& that it was no Argument for the to fay, They would not becured of the PoXjbecaiife they had had it jo^yeersihe concluded againft Abfeli:- tion Confirmati5,private Baptifmc, thedumbe & fcandalous Miniftcrs, Pluralities, theCourts, &the authority of the Bidiops by the high Com- miffioncrSj&cThefecond day the Minifters w^re convented before the King, who anfwered fearc- fully and modeftly : the Bifliop o^ Lo^o/tbehsL^ vedhimfeifeinfolcntly, faying thefe are Cart^ rvr'jghts Schollers,Schifmatikes,breakers of your Ma jefties laws,you may know them by their Tur- ky gownes and filke Turky Grogoram : the third dayjtheymetall, where the King fpake much to i«iity,that they might joyne againft the Papifts. Allthe three dales the King behaved himfelfead- mirabletothc beholders., granting to the Mini- fters their carneft requeft, that the Ceremonies of Pj the "X >^7/ ^ ^mmmW^^m^^mmimm