AN APPEAL TO THE . Wesleyan Methodist Societies THROUGHOUT THE KINGDOM, AGAINST ACTS OF INJUSTICE AND OPPRESSION, CALCULATEDTO EXTINGUISH A REVIVAL OF THE WORK OF GOD IN THE Ston&mt WBtZt etrcutt A DEFENCE OF REVIVALS IN GENERAL, . AND OF THAT REVIVAL IN PARTICULAR: WITH OBSERVATIONS ON THE ALARMING DIVISION AND RENT IN IRELAND, WHERE SIX AND TWENTY CHAPELS HAVE BEEN CLOSED AGAINST , THE TRAVELLING PREACHERS. A LETTER JOSEPH BUTTERWORTH, Esq. MP. One iff the Committee for guarding tke Privileges of ifoe Methobisis By J. P. FESENMEYER. " Believe evil of no one, unless fully proved : take heed how you credit it." Conference to the Preachers. — See Large Minutes, "I" i ; MJttS. - ':'.*'' '' '■"'"' . " ' ' ' ' ' GOD AN^&J MY RIGHT. LONDON: Sold by J. P. Fssinmeyer, No. 183, Fleet Street / and by all Booksellers in Town and Country, Price One Shilling, ,& SIR, 1 O you it cannot be matter of surprise, that, in calling the attention of the Methodist Body to a case of unparalleled injustice and oppression, I should, for that purpose, select, from among the Committee appointed by the Methodist Conference to guard their privileges, one Who not only is well known by the whole pi that body, but who, from having a seat in the British Senate, must be considered to be more feelingly alive to a right dispensation of justice, than persons who have not had committed to them that sacred deposit — the care of public liberty, and the duty of legislation. _,■ The Trust Deed of Great Queen Street Chapel differs from the Trust Deeds of those chapels which are settled on the Conference Plan ; and that chapel, therefore, never can be claimed by the Conference: the Conference has nothing to do with the chapel in question ; it belongs solely to the Trustees, Men.-leaders, and Stewards ; as you will presently perceive, by the extracts from the Trust Deed, which I beg to lay before you. That persons should ever act as Trustees, without being in possession of a copy of the Deed under which they act, is to be lamented; this occasions much misunderstanding, and leads, not unfrequently, to results the most painful and distressing. Thefrst clause, to which I beg leave to call your attention, is that which provides against a Travelling Methodist Preacher being stationed a third year to preach in Great Queen Street Chapel. It runs thus : " Provided also, and it is hereby declared and agreed, by and between the said parties to these presents, that no person, so to be appointed by the said Conference to preach in the said chapel, shall remain, or continue to preach or officiate therein, for any more or longer term or time than two years successively, without the consent of the said Trustees, Men- leaders, and Stewards, or the major part of them, for the time being, first had and obtained." Now, Sir, this proviso has been most religiously acted upon. In the case of Mr. Moore, when the Conference appointed him for a third year, a meeting was called of the Trustees, Men- leaders, and Stewards, to ascertain their opinion on the subject. It is true, that the Leaders, when sitting there, were not aware that they had a right to sit in that meeting, on that question j for they were told that the Trustees wished only to consult tha Leaders, and to ascertain what they thought on the subject* Such was also the case with Mr. Entwisle, when his stay was proposed for a third year : it was agitated in the Leaders* Meeting, on the ground that his presence would be necessary another year, as the society were engaged in building a new chapel ; — not a word about the right of, the Leaders on that question. The clause on page 7- o( the Trustees' printed Extracts from the Trust Deed,' gives power to' the Trustees to let or demise the coach-house, and other buildings attached to the chapel, at or ; for the best rents that can be had or gotten for the same. At page 9. of the same copy^ is a clause which directs that all the iri-comings of the chapel and premises are to be ap- plied in discharging ground-rent, taxes, annuities, interest, &c. and in ' keeping the premises in good- and sufficient repair:— .-" And, from and after payment and discharge of all such debts as aforesaid, to lay out, give, and dispose bf the surplus of the said rents, issues, and profits, if any there shall be, unto and for the support and furtherance of the Gospel, in the London Circuit, and among such poor persons of the said Society of Methodists, as the-' said Trustees, Men-KJlass-leaders, and 'Stewards for the time being, or the major part of them, shall think proper." ' At page 10. is another important clause : " And it is further declared and agreed, by and between the said parties to these presents, that in case, at any time, the Society of Methodists in London should be dissolved, or become extinct ; or in case the Trustees, \Men--Cldss-leaders, and Stewards, or the major part of them for the time being, shall be of opinion x that a larger or more convenient chapel shall be necessary^ then, in either of the said cases or events, it shall and may be lawful to ami for the 'Trustees, or the major part o{ them for the time being, either by public sale or private contract, to sell and dispose of the said chapel, messuages or dwelling- houses, erections,' buildings, and premises, and such other erections' and buildings as shall be then standing and being upon the said ground, or any of them, or any part thereof, either together, or in parcels, fdr the most money and best price and prices that can be reasonably had or gotten for the same. u And that all and every sum and sums of money to arise and be received from such sale or sales (if any shall be made,' in case the Society in London should be dissolved, or become f&tinct,). I ihall be laid oUt and be disposed of, as the said Trustees, Men- leaders, and Stetvardsf or the major part of them for the time being, shall think proper and fit. And in case of building a larger place of worship, the money to arise by selling the premises to be laid out and applied in the purchase or building of another more suitable and . convenient chapel, in the same manner, and for the same purposes, as, the said chapel hereinbefore mentioned is, under the Trusts hereby declared, thereof meant and intended to be used and occupied." . The very appellation of Trustee proclaims that the property invested in him is not his own ; but that he holds it only in trust, and is ultimately accountable, in some shape or other, to the parties who have placed that property in his hands. The Society at Great Queen Street having increased to nearly one thousand members, and the chapel being capable of seating 0nty somewhat above five hundred, it was thought highly necessary by the Leaders that a larger and more commodious chapel should be erected, instead of it.. A petition was introduced into the Leaders' Meeting, addressed to the Trustees, humbly requesting them to accede to their wishes. This petition was drawn up by a Trustee; and when it was urged in. the Leaders' Meeting that the language was really grovelling, and unfit to be addressed from one respectable body of Christians to another, it was answered by a Trustee, who was. also a. Leader, that unless it was signed, the Leaders would not be able to accomplish their wishes* With a trifling alteration or two, the form was agreed to. The generality of the Leaders, together with myself, had not the smallest idea that they had a right to be consulted on the matter; they were n$t aware of a clause in. the Trust Deed which rendered their consent absolutely necessary ; on the contrary, we had all been taught to believe, that the Trustees could do what they pleased, and were not accountable, in any shape, to the Leaders' Meeting. . The chapel was at length ordered to be pulled down: and although our Society ,was accommodated, partially, with places in the afternoon and evening of the Sabbath, yet they were destitute of a place for morning service ; except what was offered them by the Committee of Wild Court Charity School, who accom- modated the Society, for their morning and also evening worship, with their school-rooms, which would hold about two hundred persons. r . . . , - . . The Trustees, agreeably to the power of sale in the Trust Deed, advertized the old materials, ornaments, chandeliers, &c. of the chapel to be sold ; and the Secretary of the Charity School waited upon the Treasurer of the Trustees, and begged him to request that the Trustees would put up a few of the brass can- dtesticks, which were advertised for sale^ in the School-house, for the accommodation of Such of the Society as might attend the evening worship on the Sabbath, and other evenings in the week, at the School-house. The Secretary of the School was ac- quainted by the Treasurer of the Trustees, that the Trustees had given him leave to take as many as he judged proper : and a dozen being found sufficient, he took them, and had them fixed up in the School- room. It having been judged necessary by a few persons residing at Kentish Town to erect a chapel there, Mr. John Mathison, who was Treasurer of the Great Queen Street Chapel, and a Trustee of the Kentish Town Chapel; together with Mr. Joseph Bradley, a Trustee of the same chapel ; petitioned the Great Queen Street Trustees to give them, for the use of their chapel, the brass candlesticks Jixed up in the School-room, and placed there for the accommodation of the society for which they were Trustees: to this petition the Trustees of Great Queen Street consented. Application was now made to the Master of the School for the candlesticks ; who declined giving them up, unless he had authority from the Secretary of the School, into whose hands they were originally given, and who was ever considered the acting responsible person for all proceedings regarding the school, between the intervals of the School Committee Meetings. The Secretary of the School, on application being made to him by the Secretary of the Queen Street Trustees, objected to give them up, until he had applied to the Trustee Meeting of Great Queen' Street Chapel ; all whose acts, by the Trust Deed, require confirmation at the next meeting, before they are legal, or can properly be acted upon. Upon this being declared to be his intention, he was answered, by the Secretary to the Queen Street Trustees, that no meeting would be held for a month. The Secretary of the School replied, that then he would detain them until the pleasure of the Leaders' Meeting should be known upon the subject, which would sit on the following Wednesday. Here the Secretary of the Trustees denied the authority of the Leaders' Meeting to interfere on the business. The Secretary of the School, well knowing the power of the Leaders' Meeting, and the right they had to interpose in the disposition of any of the materials of the old chapel, now felt it to be his duty to take the brass candlesticks out of the sockets every evening after service, and to lock them up in a closet or place leading to a loft on the school premises, in order to abide the decision of the Leaders' Meeting. On Friday the 14th of March, Mr. Mathison, the Treasurer of the Great Queen Street Trustees, applied to the Secretary of the School for the candlesticks j - but he again declined giving them up, until the Leaders' Meeting^ should decide, whether their own society should be insulted by stripping the place of the brass candlesticks which had been paid for by them, and be obliged to use some old tin ones that had been cast aside by the Saffron Hill Society : but, at the same time, he endeavoured to urge on the consider*- ation of Mr. Mathison, the impropriety of his conduct, and then offered to give him a pound note out of his own pocket, towards buying new candlesticks for Kentish Town chapel, if they would give up the candlesticks, and not hurt the minds of the people by the proposed change. No attention was paid to this: but on the 'following morning, Saturday the 15th of March, Mr. John Elsworth, who is Secret tary to the Kentish Town Trustees, and also a visitor of the school; Mr. William Kent, the Secretary to the Great Queen Street Trustees, who is a subscriber to the school, and also a Leader ; arid Mr. Handisyde, who is a Trustee of Great Queen Street Chapel, -a member of the- Committee of the School, and also a Leader J entered the school-room, without any authority from the Leaders'. Meeting, or any other sufficient authority, and broke open the. lock under which the Secretary of the school had placed the brass candlesticks, and took them away; and fixed up, in their stead, the tin ones before alluded to. . -j " The Secretary of the School, on being apprized of what he calls a most-dariug outrage on all decency, sent a constable' id apprize the parties concerned, that unless the candlesticks were returned by ten o'clock on Monday morning, that he should require their attendance at Marlborough Street on the Monday afternoon. " Mr. White, a Leader in the Queen Street Society, hearing of the affair, applied the next day to the Secretary of the school, immediately after the morning preaching, and urged him to drop the matter. I, happening to be in the school-room talking with a friend, and hearing a noise, turned round, and discovered Mr. White talking in a most authoritative tone ; and seeing also the wife of my friend, the Secretary of the School, whose situation was such as to call for some attention, I immediately stepped forward into the Schoolmaster's parlour, and, addressing my friend, "said, <( Pray do not hold' any conversation with him.'*-*- 1 Mr. White immediately replied, " I desire, Sir, you will not interfere in a private conversation.'' — I added, ff This ; cannot be a private conversation in the presence of- six or eight people; and I have aright to advise -my friend; and my advice to him is, not to answer a word, for the manner in which- you behave.'' — After some little time, however, it was agreedj that if the candlesticks were placed in the hands of a third party, to abide the decision of the Leaders" Meeting/ my" friend would consent to drop all 1 6 further proceedings.: — An answer was to be brought to him by five o'clock in the afternoon. After having walked home with my friend, I saw no more of him till the next day ; when he informed me that he had settled the matter. — I told him frankly, that I very much lamented that he had not a third person with him at the time he had concluded the arrangement, as I had no faith in it. What passed at the time of making the arrangement, I shall give you, Sir, from my friend's own hand-writing : it is as follows: — . " On Sunday, March the 16th, Mr. White called on me: " there were present only my wife, Mr. White, and myself* " Mr. White said he was a, friend to loth parties, and came to "settle the matter in dispute, if possible; (and from my having " been waited on by him in the morning, and he being the "bearer of an answer to a proposition to the other patties " concerned, I considered he came with full powers to settle "the matter in dispute.) After Mr. White had entered into " the subject, and said many things, he added, that if the matter " was brought into a public office, it would get into all the news- " papers, and be a very serious stab to the cause of religion ; and " on next Tuesday or Sunday we should see placards at all cor- " ners of the streets, with ' Fracas between the Methodists/ and the " names attached of the parties concerned. He further said, that ¥■ if I went a step further in the business than I had done, it " would be an act of which 1 1 should have cause to repent, for it " would lead to my expulsion from the society; but if I let the " matter drop, I might do it with honour, and nothing move "would' be said about it. Mr. White then urged the matter " again and again, in similar words* My reply was, These men " have committed an outrageous and unjustifiable act against " me; and they ought to know that they had done wrong: that " I always moved in what {considered the path of duty, and was " not to be deterred by the fear of consequences ; and the only " thing that had any weight with me, that Mr. White had urged, " was, lest being brought before the world, it should injure "the cause of Christ, which was the farthest thing from my " heart. Mr. White took up the Bible,' and read to me, l Dare " any man, having a matter against another, go to law before " the unjust ?' &c. He then asked my wife, what she thought " of the matter, whether she was not for peace : she replied, ** ( Ves, I wish it was settled.' Mr. White then, putting his hand " on the Bible, said, f Here is God, your wife, and your friend, " for peace ! surely you'll give me your hand, and let the " matter drop.' In the course of further conversation, I said, " 'As the taking these brethren before the public, and exposing " their conduct, would be a serious injury to the connexion, on " that consideration, and with an understanding that the busi- ** ness should not be brought before the Leaders-' Meeting, and " that no advantage should be taken of my leniency in that way, " "I would drop the mfctter.' — He immediately promised it should " not be brought into the Leaders' Meeting ; and, in the most- " firm and unequivocal manner, pledged himself if the matter " was mentioned in that meeting, he would oppose it with -all " his might. - I told him, on those conditions, and on those " only, would I agree to drop the matter. Mr. White, on part- " ing with me, said, * Now I have spent my day well, to the u gl° r y °f God.'— I heard nothing further till Wednesday, On w Wednesday forenoon, Mr. Wood, the superintendant of the " circuit, called upon me ; and, after expatiating on the impro-' " priety of my conduct, asked me to make him a mediator with " the three brethren. : I told him that it was settled, that every 1 " thing was made up, and that nothing more was to be said t( about it. He replied, that it should not be settled in any such " way ; and that if those three brethren did not bring it forward u immediately, he should feel it to be his duty to do it; and H urged me to make him my mediator, and authorize him tosay> "to them, that I only had done wrong, and was very- sorry " for it. I replied, that I would say we had all done wrong/ "would meet them hblf-way, and make as ample an apology as " they did, and shake -hands with them ; but that I would not 1 " go beyond this. On parting, he again pressed me to bend r " and make the apology ; and said, c Brother, you remember the "fable of the Wolves and the Lamb: the lamb laid down,. and "'suffered tftie wolves to ; run over him : I advise you to do the " same.' I promised to turn it over in my mind, and let him know. " I called at his house about four o'clock that day, and found-he "' had gone out. About five 'o'clock that evening I received a pote " from Mr. Kent, to attend the Leaders' - Meeting that night t on " the unpleasant business. I now went to Mr. White, and shewed "him the note i; and expressed my surpris* at receiving such a " thing. He said he had' done all he .could to prevent it j- and* " that I should find he" had done as much for me as he could ibr " an own brother. I reminded him of his pledge to oppose it:- " He told me he would; and that if he could not lift up his hand "for me, he would not lift up his hand against me !"— So fan my friend. ' ■ ■ ' Being unwilling to break the thread of my friend's own mar-) rative, I beg leave to introduce here, that on Tuesday mornhigy Mr. White, who professed himself the mediator and; friend of the parties, called at Mr; Bradley's shop: myself and - another 8 . person being present. He said that he had succeeded in hushing up the business between my friend and two of the other parties; but as Mr. Kent had not been placed under arrest, there was no necessity for going to him on the matter. Believing that I had discovered a loop-hole, I observed that he had better see him : he said he would, and left the shop. My friend, on Wednesday evening, attended the Leaders' Meet- ing; and some time was spent in a warm debate between myself, the Chairman, and this voluntary mediator, in order to prevent his becoming the accuser of my friend. I insisted that the person who had given him notice that the business would be brought forward, should accuse : it was objected by the Chair, that I ought not to interrupt, until I had heard this mediator out. Tasked, "Am I to wait for half an hour, until he has finished his speech, in order to discover the drift of it?" — He was* ordered to proceed ; and I again protested against it. 'The sense of the meeting being against him, he was obliged to sit down. Mr. Kent now rose, and finished the charge ; and closed it by urging upon the Meeting the baseness of the transaction, as far as regarded himself; he having been arrested on the Sabbath day', just as he was sitting down to dinner with his family ! You will recollect, Sir, that I stated, just above, that Mr. White said that Mr. Kent had not been arrested. I, sitting in a judicial capacity, now put this question to Mr. Kent. Did you not send for the constable on Sunday P His answer was, " No, I did not." Mr. White now rose, and most energetically laboured to force upon the consideration of the meeting the heinousness of the crime charged upon my friend ; but added, (with a view of charging me) "He has had an adviser;" — and, in order to ex«* tract a confession of it from my friend, he pretended to plead for a light sentence ; and, treating him like a school-boy, said to him, " Had you not an adviser in this business?" My friend immediately replied, " It is not a fair question." The Chairman said, " Let it have the same effect as if he had answered it." "Well, then," added Mr. White, " I will put the question very direct;" and addressing me, while sitting in a judicial capacity, asked, " Brother Fesenmeyer, are not you his adviser ?" De>» spising such a sinister attempt to wrest judgment, I replied, " I shall not tell you, Sir." " You can," observed the Chairman, charge him with being, the adviser, and prove it next Wednes- day evening." " I charge, then," added he, " Brother Fesenmeyer with being the life, the soul, the core of the whole business ; and I will prove it next Wednesday evening." " Very well," I replied, " I shall hold you to your charge." The business proceeded. Mr. Elswortk now rose, to add hh testimony against my friend : I asked him whether he had not been to a constable, before he broke open the closet. He replied he had ; but that it was to a religious constable ; and that he was from home, and therefore they broke it open without him ! Passing over many things of minor importance, we arrive at, the defence of the accused. Here he stated the rights of the Leaders ; the sacred obligation which rested on every person to regard property placed under a lock ; and which obligation was peculiarly binding among Christians. He insisted that Mr. Kent y who had summoned him to the meeting, would not have been arrested on the Sunday, had he himself not sent for the constable, Mr. Kent again denied it. I observed, that I had been told by the constable himself that he had sent for him : he denied it the third time. Now, Sir, Mr. Kent was strictly correct : he did not send for him ; for on inquiring particularly of the constable, it turns out that he himself, Don Quixote like, seeking for adventures, went to the constable, and left word that his name was Kent, and desired the constable to call upon him in an hour : the constable went ; it was, I believe, about his dinner-time ; and he promised to be forthcoming the next day. I hope, Sir, you will allow me to add, by way of Nota Bene, that this happened about an hour after Mr. White had had h\s> first interview with my friend. My friend, having gone through his defence, was ordered to withdraw. The propriety of those of his accusers staying- in the meeting, who were members of it, was discussed ; and the Chair- man ruled, that as they were accusers, it altered the question : so they stayed. Mr. White, the . professed mediator, now penned a motion declaratory of the accused's unchristian-like and improper con- duct towards the accusers ; but that such conduct was principally; to be attributed to the lad advice that had been given to him. Perceiving it to be the intention of Mr. White to procure, by this motion, a resolution of indirect censure upon me, I opposed it; and the Rev. Mr. Taylor, the chairman, recommended Mr. White to make the latter part of it the subject of a separate motion: he did so, and it then stood declaratory only of the accused's unchristian-like and improper conduct. Having considered the whole proceedings as disgraceful to all the parties, I rose and moved an amendment, to the following effect : That all the parties concerned in the disgraceful business then before the meeting, had acted contrary to Scripture, and the rules and laws of Methodism ; and that it was the judgment of the meeting that the whole of them should ask pardon of the church for their misconduct. This was objected to, in very strong language. Apprehending,, from the temper of the majority 10 in the meeting, that to persevere in the amendment would only injure the accused,, I withdrew itj and Mr. .White's motion was carried. , . The Chairman now called for Mr. White's second rriotion j . which was, That the unchristian-like and improper conduct of the accused was to be attributed to the bad advice that had been given to him. I appealed to the meeting, and asked, " Has any' thing transpired this evening, in this meeting, to Warrant such a motidn?" The reply was, <<- No ! there has not !'*'' The motion ' was lost. The sentence , passed on the accused was, that he should l)e suspended from the social means of.grace, for three months. But before the original motion was softened, which went to entire expulsion, a ruse de guerre was played off by Mr. White: he accused the Chairman of partiality towards the accused, and of not being sufficiently attentive to the character of the accusers. The Chairman, after the sentence of suspension had passed, recol- lected this ; -and observed, that he was at a loss to express his' feelings; and wished himself out of the chair, that he might' disburden his heart. He was requested to leave it, and to walk into the middle of the room : this was done ; and he observed, that he thought the accused ought to have been suspended for six" months. Mr. Kent now rose, and Urged that their characters' had not received a due reparation ; for he was sure, that as the Chairman had been that evening preaching from tp.e text, " Brethren, if- a man be overtaken in a fault, let'such as are" spiritual restore such a one in the spirit of meekness/' the con- gregation strongly suspected that he and the other two had been turned out of the Society, and that a way was being paved for' their return : and he then moved, That the sentence against the accused should be read to the congregation at Wild Court'on the following Saturday evening ; and "to the Society, oh the following Sunday evening, at New Court Chapel. It was seconded, and carried. .■-;'•' The mediator now recollecting his pious engagements, turned round to Mr. Kent, and said, (i I told him (meaning my friend) that I. would not lift up my hand against him !" And when my friend was called into the room, and had been acquainted with his sentence, the- mediator took him by the hand, and said, •" If you had followed my advice^ you would have cut the strings of this opposition." This advice was given to my friend at five o'clock that evening ; when he went to Mr. White, on his receiving Mr. Kent's letter, acquainting him that he would bring the business before the Leaders' Meeting : the advice was, to give' Brother Fesenmeyer up, as the adviser iij this business j assuring him that if he did, my friend should be forgiven ! ! On the following Sunday, " a special Leaders' Meeting*' was 11 Summoned from' the '.pulpit, to attend on Wednesday evening ; and on the Monday morning, about ten o'clock, I received the following note from the Stewards of Queen Street Society ; viz. f " Dear Brother, — You are particularly requested to attend the next Leaders' Meeting, at/New Court Chapel, on Wednesday -March 26, 1817, at eight o'clock; as it is the intention of one or more of the members of that meeting to charge you with having advised and assisted in the unchristian-like and improper treat* ment shown to Brothers Kent, Handisyde, Elsworth, &c. " March 24, 1817. \ " We are yours, &c. 169, High Hoi born./ " J. Manning. " To Mr. Fesenmeyer." Jx>s. West." To which I replied : " Dear Sir,— I have this moment received your note, acquaint- ing me that it is the intention of one or more of the members of the Leaders' Meeting to charge me with having advised and assisted in the unchristian-like and improper treatment shown to Brothers Kent, Handisyde, Elsworth, &c. " Mr. White charged me with advising Mr. Oats, and said he would prove it at the next Leaders' Meeting ; to this charge I intend to hold him : but as you now say that I am to be charged by one or more of the members of the Meeting; I cannot consent to attend that meeting, to answer any such charge, until I know the names of my intended accusers; and, also, until I know whether I am to consider the charge, written by you, to be that which is to be preferred, namely, for * having advised and assisted in the unchristian-like and improper-treatment shown to Brothers Kent, Handisyde, Elsworth, &e.' and the meaning that V am to attach to the character e &c/ after the name of Brother Elsworth, You will perceive the propriety of this application. " I am, Dear Sir, yours, &c. . " J. P. Fesenmeyeiu " P.S. I presume you have the authority of the Superintend tiant for summoning me." « March 24, 1817. ' " To Mr. Manning." In the evening I received the following note, in reply. " Dear Sir, — In answer to a note I have just received from you, I would say, 1 have the authority of the Superintendent. With respect to the ' one or more,' which you refer to, is meant those eniy 'who are connected in the business of the charge named ; and the i &c.' can only be what may possibly arise from the discussion. " Should youL think this not clear or satisfactory to you,; I 12 would refer you to Mr. Wood (but I 'find he will not be at home till late this evening). Of myself, I know not how to explain further. > "I am, &c. . " To Mr. Fesenmeyer." v " J. Manning." I immediately answered him as follows : ci Dear Sir, — I am sorry to give you so much trouble ; but you must really give me the names of the parties charging me, and the words of the charge to be brought, without any ambiguity. How am. I to defend myself ? The law of God, and .of Methodism, knows nothing about c et-cceteras.' You must not imagine that^Lwish to blink the question, or shrink from inquiry. I wish to have all my wounds in the front, and not to be assailed in a party way. I therefore repeat, what I have before said in sub- stance, that Twill not answer any complaint in that Leaders' Meeting, unless I am furnished with a written charge exactly, without any l et-cceleras,' or other nonsensical appendages; and with the names of my accusers : and permit me to say, that you have no right to summon me to meet any charge, but upon the above conditions. I repeat, that I am ready to hold Mr. White to his charge: let him bring his evidence; he has avowed himself: I will know my accusers and my charge, or Twill not defend myself: if it is meant to be Messrs. Kent, Handyside, and Elsworth, say so; if any others, say so; then all will be even. What am I to understand by ' those only who are connected in the lusiness of the charge ?' "I am, Dear Sir, yours, &c. " J. P. Fesenmbyer." " P. S. You have referred me to Mr. Wood : — you must ex- cuse me, I cannot do that.* " To Mr. Manning." About half past 10 o'clock that evening, I received the fol- lowing. " Sir, — According to my view of the subject, agreeable to my first note, I imagine I have discharged my duty. " Monday evening, \ " I am.; &c. March 24. J "J. Manning." Not being able to bring the Society Steward (who is one of the Queen Street Trustees that voted away the candlesticks) to a proper sense of his duty, as laid down in his presence in the mat- ter of Mr. J s, when it was insisted that he should receive a * The Rev. "Mr. Wood, the Superintendant of the Circuit, was Chairman- of the Trustee Meeting that, gave the candtesticki to the v Keatish Town Trustees. 13 specific charge in writing, together with the names of ;Kis accusers! and I having understood that a plan of operations had been agreed on, at a supper, which bore every character- of a conspi- racy;. I caused the following letter to be sent by my Solicitor to the Stewards, the next morning j viz. "March 25, 1817. J "Gentlemen, — lam directed by Mr. J. P. Fesenmeyer, of Cook's Court, Carey Street, to give you notice, that unless you, as the Stewards of the Methodist Society of Great Queen Street, fur- nish him with the charge in writing, without any ambiguity ©r evasive matter, which you have acquainted him, by your note of yesterday, is to be exhibited against him on Wednesday next^ and also the name or names of the person or persons intending to ex- hibit the same, and which it appears is your duty as Society Stewards as aforesaid to do,— and that if, in consequence of your refusal to accede to such his demand made by him yesterday, he shall refuse either to attend the Leaders' Meeting, or when there shall refuse to enter on his defence, and that Meeting shall adopt any hostile proceedings against him in consequence, — he the said J. P. Fesenmeyer will direct me immediately to institute proceed- ings at law against you and each of you, and against all and every the other parties concerned therein." " To Messrs. West and Manning, -\ Stewards of Great Queen Street > Society." J This was immediately followed by a letter from me to Mr. Wood, the Superintendant of the Circuit, requesting him to use his authority to procure the attendance of Messrs. Kent, Handi* syde, Elsworth, and White, at the Leaders' Meeting on the Wed- nesday evening, that I might have an opportunity of examining them. On Tuesday I received his answer, acquainting me that he would request them to attend, and expressed a wish to see me at. the Local Preachers' Meeting, the next afternoon. In the Local Preachers' Meeting, Mr. Wood said, that there was a charge of an unpleasant nature against Brother Fesenmeyer : it was, that I had sent an attorney's letter to Brother Manning, and that it was contrary to the rules of Methodism for brother to go to law with brother. I observed to him, that it stood closely connected with the charge that Mr. White was engaged in that evening with me ; and that 1 could not enter upon a defence, be- fore theLocEd Preachers' Meeting, of my conduct and motives for sending the letter, without injuring the question about to be dis- cussed that evening in the Leaders' Meeting. I however requested that the letters which had passed on the subject between me and the Stewards might be read : this was done j and Mr, Turner, one rinf an/lonf «i/«tl* 14 of the Brethren, liow rose, and said to the Super intendant, with apparent solicitation for ray situation, " But pray, ;Sir, is this really a lawyer's letter ?" Willing to make him all the amends \ could, for his pious intention, I replied that it certainly was. He is one of the Candlestick Trustees : and the use made of this avowal of mine, Sir, shall appear presently. % This letter was again urged on the Meeting. I now rosti, atwl observed> that if the sending a lawyer's letter was a crime so heinous in itself as not to admit of an explanation on the quan* turn of provocation, then they had only to strike my name from the Local Preachers' Plan: if, on the other hand, the provocation claimed any share of their attention, then, if they persisted to urge the business further, I must, in order to protect the subject that was t* come into the Leaders' Meeting, that evening* be obliged to make my bow and retire. The Rev. Mr. Bunting Urged, that no consideration under Heaven— no, not where life was concerned, could justify the sending a lawyer's letter ! ! ! The Local Preachers' Meeting was then adjourned, in order to take the matter into consideration until the following Sunday morning at eight o'clock. ... Having to prepare for the business of the Leaders' Meeting regarding Mr. White, and also on this new charge which I found was to be brought forward, and it being now between five ancrsix o'clock, I withdrew, notwithstanding the pressing solicitation of Mr. Wood to stay to tea ; and, as I quitted the rOom, I uttered the words " I have really so much to do, Sir, that I cannot stay." . ft Who can this one or more be, that I am to be accused by? {thought l.y There is something very strange about it." — I rea» soned it over and over again : " How is it, (I asked myself,) that the Superintendant has not interfered, and ordered the Stewards to acquaint me ?" " I cannot .tell/' -said I.-— "Don't you think it is the Superintendant. himself?" "I declare Lthink it is," I replied. - At length, Sir, I entered the meeting. Itookmyseat. TheSupej- intendant was in the chair, supported by his colleagues, the Kev. Messrs. Taylor and Needham. He rose, and, addressing the meet- ing, said, " Brother Fesenmeyer is charged with having assisted and advised Mr. Oats in the late unchristianlike and improper conduct exercised towards Brothers Kent, Handisyde, and Els- worth. — Are you guilty or not guilty?" ; Now, Sir, you and I are Methodists : and although this would do Very well before Lord Ellenborough, when sitting on a criminal matter, yet this is strictly abominable and wicked in the Church of Christ. If a man was as high in the favour of God Almighty as Ga- briel himself, and he told a lie, he falls instantly, and carmot find rest for the sole of his foot, but ou repentance, and a resto- 15 ration into the favour of God, So that if ' I had been guilty, ■ I had no alternative, but to deny it ; and then I -must have forfeited my peace and joy, my present interest in the blood of Christ, and have become a wanderer from my God; or I must have re- fused to answer the question,' when judgment would then have been pronounced against me, for contempt of court. However, Sir, -knowing my innocence, I replied, it is all false together; and T call upon Mr. White to prove his charge.- One of the Members of the Meeting, and a Trustee of Queen Street Chapel, desired that the minutes of the last meeting might be read. " : . It is proper to observe here, for a short moment, that this per- son had not been at the preceding Leaders' Meeting ; and it has therefore exceedingly puzzled me, to find out how he- could possi- bly know that there was any thing in those Minutes that could apply to the charge against me: they were however read, and contained a statement, that, on the trial of my friend, I ac- knowledged that I had advised him to go td an attorney on the subject of the Trustees having broken open the closet, and that I had been his adviser. I said, " This is all true ; but I- call upon .Mr. White to prove why I went to the attorney; and what ad- vice I gave." The extreme wickedness of my going to a, lawyer, at all, under any circumstances, was urged by the Superintendant. I again summoned Mr; White to his proof; but the same Mem- ber of the Meeting who moved that the Minutes should" be read, again rose, and observed, that the business had no need to take more than ten minutes; that I had acknowledged going to the lawyer, and that therefore the Meeting had- nothing more to do than to pass sentence on me; and said that they could not stay there all night; he understood that the Meeting had been kept till eleven o'clock on the subject the preceding week. I rose and said, that I had now been a Member of the Methodist Society for sixteen years, and maintained an unblemished character ; and did not feel disposed to lose it in ten minutes; and recommended him-to with- draw -if he could not st&v,' and assured him that -lie would find that I should not consent to be* thrust out of the Methodist Society so easHy as he imagined, . t Mr. Bunting and Mr. Jenkins now entered the Meeting* The point in discussion, between me and the Superintendant> was^ Whe- ther I had a right to hold Mr. White to his proof that I was the life, the soul, the core of the whole business; or whether sentence should pass 'upon me, I having said that I had been at. the law- yer's with my friend. Mr. Bunting addressed the Chair; he said, " Sir, you are too late in insisting upon Brother Fesenmeyer's receiving the judgment of the Meeting on his own admission ;— you have-summoned him here to answer a charge' to be preferred against him, and I think that Mr. .White should charge him. 16 therefore advise Mr. White to say that I charge Brother Fesen- meyer with having advised and assisted in the late business, for I heard him say that he had been with him to the lawyer!!" I now rose. " I said, " I will put you on your guard in this 'business. You should recollect, that it does not follow, because a man goesj or even advises another person to go, to a lawyer, that therefore he advised him to do an act which^ the Church may disapprove. My friend is in the chapel, waiting to be called in ; and he will make my character shine like the light ; he vvill tell you why I advised him to go to the lawyer and what advice I gave him." Once more I called on Mr. White to prove his charge. Mr. Bunting again rose, and said, " I move that the sense of the Meeting be taken, whether judgment shall pass upon Brother Fesenmeyer, on his own admission to-night, of his having gone to the lawyer ; or whether the Meeting should hear Brother White charge him, by saying ( I heard Brother Fesenmeyer say that he went with him to the lawyer.' Recollecting that arrangements had been made, over a supper •, I rose, and said, " I protest against the Trustees of Great Queen Street Chapel (who voted away the candlesticks),' and against the Trustees of Kentish Town Chapel (who solicited, and received them), from voting on this business/' — "That won't do," was the reply. " Then," said I, " I shall not stay in the Meet- ing any longer ;" and attempted to step over the form. 1 — Mr. Bunting endeavoured to prevent my leaving the room ; but con- sidering their conduct to be a gross violation of justice, a bold abandonment of fair appearances, and reptignant to even the form of acting uprightly, I was determined, and left the room. After I had withdrawn, I understand that Mr-. Bunting pro- fessed to " stand in my shoes ;" that he was " Brother Fesen- meyer ;" and defended himself against the charge exhibited by the Superintendant. However, it seems that all his eloquence was lost; for I was found guilty. A second charge was then brought forward against me, in my absence; namely,* the lawyer's letter that I had sent to the Stewards. On this I was also found guilty ; and my acknow- ledgment, in the Local Preachers' Meeting, that it was a lawyer's letter, was given in evidence against me. The next morning, about eight o'clock, I received the following note from Mr. Manning : — " Sir, — I am desired to inform you, by the Leaders' Meeting of last night, that a deputation, consisting of the Preachers and others, are appointed to call upon you this morning, at ten o'clock precisely. * " Yours, &c. "J. Manning. " N.B. It i$ hoped you will be disengaged." 17 I immediately wrote the following reply, and sent it by ( ray son: — " Sir, — I have just received your note, saying that you were desired by the Leaders' Meeting of last night to inform me, that a deputation, consisting of the Preachers and others, were ap- pointed to call upon me this morning, at 10 o'clock precisely. l( In answer, I have only to observe, that, from what occurred last night, I cannot consent to receive any deputation from that meeting. I want to be heard in defence of my Christian cha- racter, which is more dear to me than my life : till then, I will not receive any deputation. " 1 am, Sir, &c. " J P. FeSENMEYER. " P.S. I shall most likely be from home. 1 have no doubt of it. "To Mr. Manning." On my son's return, he informed me that Mr. Manning would not be at home till 12 o'clock. I immediately sent him back, and with instruction to leave the letter at the Superintendant's house: he did so. I left home: but at 10 o'clock the four Preachers arrived, accompanied by Mr. Chapman, a Leader: they were answered that I was not at home : they asked for my wife, and were told that she was confined to her room, having lain-in only a fortnight, and could not see any one : after some consultation, they went away. Not having been made acquainted with the sentence of the Leaders' Meeting, I went on the evening of this day, as usual, to meet my Thursday's Class. I found the Superintendant, with Mr. Tyrer, a Leader, and Mr. Manning, in the room. The Su- perintendant, after prayer, turned towards me, and said, " The Leaders' Meeting have directed Brother Tyrer and Brother Clarke to lead your classes for a few weeks; and not being sure that they would be here, I came to see after the class." I replied, that I would not part with my Class papers, but with my life. He led the class, and proceeded about half way ; when, on questioning a woman as 'bo her state, he. first was made acquainted with the feelings of the class on the conduct of the Leaders' Meeting to- wards me. The meeting closed, and I asked him if I was expelled for goingto a lawyer with my friend : he replied, " yes, and for sending a lawyer's letter to Mr. Manning." I again asked, " Then it is not for any immoral act ?" He answered in the negative; and the business closed by a general expression of disapprobation by the class, of the proceedings, and a determination not to meet with any other person. It will not be matter of surprise to you, Sir, that seventy per- sons, the number placed under my care, should feel some anxiety about their Leader, and the manner in which he was disposed of: they apprehended that they saw their own case displayed on a future day ; and, conceiving that they had a right to be made acquainted with the proceedings of that Leaders' Meeting, they sent a letter to the Superintendant, requesting him to meet the two classes on the following Tuesday, and explain the cause of my expulsion from the Society. The Superintendant and Mr. Needham came : t attended likewise ; and, after prayer, he read the requisition, and added, that the best explanation he could give would be to read to them the extract taken from the Leaders' Meeting Minute-book, which he read; — to the following effect : ( That Brother Fesenmeyer was charged with having advised and assisted Mr. Oats in his unchristian-like and improper conduct towards Brothers Kent, Handisyde, and Elsworth ; and also with sending Brother Manning a lawyer's letter : and that Brother Fesenmeyer having withdrawn himself from the meeting, he had thereby excluded himself from the Society, and he is hereby excluded accordingly : and it is the judgment of this meeting, that he shall not be received again into the Society, but upon his having re- pented, and until he shall have given evidence of his con- trition.' I wished, Sir, to have laid before you an official copy of this curious instrument, which says, that I excluded 'rnyielf; and I applied to the Leaders' Meeting for it, but could not obtain it. Mr. Wood folded it up, and put it into his pocket-book, with- out attempting to make any comment upon it, or to give any farther explanation. I now asked him when that minute was drawn up. He replied, that he could not tell. I observed, that I believed it was not until after he had received the requisition to explain the business. His answer was, that the proceedings had been taken upon loose pieces of paper ; and that it Was drawn out from them. I now found it necessary to read to the classes fch'e statement of the candlestick transaction, and the correspondence^ between me arid Mr. Manning. The statement having made a deep impression on the minds of the people, Mr. Needham observed, that I had no' business there j a remark which, perhaps, had better not been made. I addressed the classes, and said, " You will perceive, by the statement, of this evening, that, the whole business was settled agreeably to the word of God. Mr. Oats had agreed to say no more on the subject, but to shake hands with Messrs. Kent, "Handisyde, and Elsworth: they had acquiesced: but can you believe that the Superintendant preacher of this circuit, a mini- ster of Christ, one who has the care of the church, pushed aside 19 the law 6f Christ, and said that it should not be settled in any such manner; and that he went to Mr. Oats, and insisted oh his apologising, or that he the Superintendant would bring it into the Leaders' Meeting?" "Mr. Wood denied the whole of this statement ; and on my sending for Mr. Oats to verify what I here advanced, Mr. Need- ham insisted on leaving the room, and took away Mr. Wood with him. The members of the two classes declared that they would not leave me, and begged that I would meet them as usual. I told them, that I had uniformly given them the best advice that lay in my power ; that I had endeavoured to be faithful to the trust that God had reposed in me ; and, therefore, begged that they would listen to my last advice: and I counselled them to join themselves to such other classes as they should find would be most comfort- able to their own views and feelings ; adding, that as I was expelled for righteousness* sake, (which will be» brought before you presently,) God Almighty had promised to keep me : and I declined meeting them. We all knelt down together, and spent nearly an hour in prayer. God was with us; the floor was literally wet with tears ; and we now quitted the spot, where we had often taken sweet counsel together, where we had been often blessed, and had often rejoiced in the presence of our God. Suffer me, Sir, to take a review of the proceedings, and to bring before you a connected outline of the facts which have been stated, with their natural inferences : I. That the Trust Deed limits the power of the Trustees, and confers on the Leaders a right to interfere, in certain cases : and therefore, if I, as a Leader, had, in the' interval of a Leaders' Meeting, given Mr. Oats, or any other person, the advice stated to have been given by me, under the circum- stances of an incorrect diversion of the property of the Church, I was strictly correct. II. That the demands of the laws of God and of Method- ism had been fully met, before the determination was formed of defeating the reconciliation then in progress, and of bringing Mr. Oats to trial. III. That as Messrs. Kent, Handisyde, and Elsworth, were the jirst to apply to a constable, it argues, either, That they in- tended to take the Secretary of the School into custody, if he had opposed them ; or,|That they were aware that they were about to do an act which required the presence of an officer, to make it lawful ; but that they did it without that lawful authority. In either of these views, they had no claim at the Leaders' Meeting for redress ; as, in the Jirst case, they 20 had trampled upon what they hold to be the laws of God and of the Church ; and in the second case, they violated t the law of the land ; — and for doing which, no bye-laws of any Church can or ought to afford shelter to a man ; and therefore the whole body, seeking redress from the Church, ought to have been driven out of it. IV. That as the Leaders' Meeting, on the trial of Mr. Oats, had declared, in positive language, by their vote which rejected Mr. White's motion against me, " that nothing had transpired that night, in the meeting, to attach blame to me," the Steward had no right to enter upon the Minutes of that meeting any matter which tended to criminate me ; and that, if he had entered any thing at all regarding the business, it should have been accompanied by what was the sense of the meeting on it : and much less had any indi- vidual member of that meeting, who was not there that evening, a fight to presume that an entry of that description was made; and cause notice to be given to me, that I was to be charged by one or more of the members of that meeting; and thenj when I sat down in my place, to cause me to be charged on that entry, and that entry declared to be my indictment! - V. That the protest which I made against such of the Members of that meeting who were Trustees of Great Queen Street Chapel (and who gave away the candlesticks), and such of them as were Trustees of Kentish Town Chapel (who received them), sitting in judgment on me, ought to have been received, as just and equitable ; and that to proceed with the business after such protest, was a dereliction of duty on the part of the Superintendant and his colleagues, who ought to have dissolved the meeting ; a shameful violation, by the Leaders' Meeting, ' of the divine law of . -righteousness ; and an abandonment of the boasted principle of British jurisprudence, which .prohibits any party from sitting in judgment on a case where the question in the smallest degree affects them* VI. That to have continued in the meeting, after such protest, would have been, on my part, an abandonment of the reasons which urged my protest ; and would have amounted to an acquiescence in the proceedings of that meeting. VII. That as, after I had withdrawn from that meeting, it was agreed that neither of those persons who had committed the violence should speak or vote on the question, the principle for which. I contended was fully recognised and established ; and as, on the rejection of that principle, I was obliged to withdraw, to prevent a constructive acqui- escence in the proceedings of that meeting, the declaration 21 of the Leaders' Meeting, which says, that, by my having withdrawn from that meeting, I had excluded myself, has no support from or foundation whatever in reason or in fact. VIII, That having been obliged to withdraw from the Leaders' Meeting, to avoid a constructive acquiescence in the pro- ceedings of that Meeting, they could not enter into the charge^of my having sent the lawyer's letter to the Stewards ; inasmuch as such withdrawing was not a contempt of the whole Leaders' Meeting, but only applied to a part of it, as being incompetent to sit in judgment on the question then pending before them. I am not at all surprised, after such a developement of facts andcircumstances, that you should ask, Why such a combination against you? What evl have you done ? — Truly, Sir, I have done no evil whatever ; and the very wording of my sentence proves that they were very hard put to it to assign a reason for their proceedings : but since you ask the cause^ allow me to- proceed. Like yourself, I have, from my infancy, been taught to believe the promises of God ; and therefore always availed -myself of every opportunity which presented itself, to testify my wish for the spreading of the Gospel of Christ. I have been constrained to cry out and say, " I wish Thee good luck in Thine honour." I ever thought the Methodist preachers were honest in their pro- fessions, and that they wished, earnestly wished, for the exten- sion of Christ's kingdom. I imagined, that when they cried out ts Let Him, as He listeth, come !" they meant what they said ; and therefore, with others, I joined in the catholic cry. My soul burnt with desire for the outpouring of the Spirit of God ; -and when I read of the work of God in Cornwall, and in other parts, I was glad, and yet restless, till London should be visited. Queen Street Chapel having been pulled down, and the new one rebuilding, we held our Saturday-evening prayer-meetings in Wild Court School House : here, at length, the Lord Almighty visited us, about the 10th of last November, and several souls were converted to God. It pleased the Lord to enlist me into His service on this occasion, and I was soon pointed out as the prin- cipal actor in it. You may perhaps smile, Sir, at the epithet <( actor," but this was the term. I am not aware that you ever were in what is termed a " revival meeting," and I shall therefore endeavour to lay before you some few particulars regarding it. Foreseeing the inquiry, " How can these things be?" when the prophet cried out, ." Unto us a Child is born, unto us a Son is given," and of his kingdom and government there was to be no end ; the Holy Ghost said, i( The zeal of the Lord of Hosts will perform this !" — Now, Sir, unless we keep one thing 22 continually in view, we shall lose our way : it is this,— that th« real of the Lord of Hosts caused Him to lay down his life for sinners j and that, therefore, He will suffer nothing to come between Him and the salvation of a sinner, but the sinner's own impenitence ; and that, to alarm his conscience, He will afflict his family, blast his expectations in life, fill his bones with strong pain, uncover the pit of hell to his conscience, and force him to cry out and say, " Verily there is a God that judgeth the earth." Whole nations have been swept away for attempting to with- stand the power of God. The old world felt the weight of His indignation : the imperfect "generation of its inhabitants was an insult to Heaven, and op-* posed the preaching of Enoch, who foretold of the coming of The Holy One. The cities of the Plain were salted with fire, for preaching unrighteousness. The Israelites were scattered oyer the face of the globe, for endeavouring v to render the zeal of the Lord of none effect. And modern nations have drunk deep of the cup of His indignation, for attempting to stretch forth the sceptre of power, and divert the course of his chariot-wheels. " He giveth account to none, of his matters." He will not be controlled : the salvation of sinners lies near His heart, and hence the extensiveness of His pardon. "He willeth that all men should come to the knowledge of the truth, and be saved," Now, Sir, there is a declaration on record, thajt you and I, and, in fact, every one that loves the Lord Jesus Christ, is anxiously looking forward to : " The earth shall be filled with the knowledge of the glory of the Lord, as the waters cover the sea." But how is this to be? Why, look at our Sunday Schools !— look at the Bible Associations! — at our National Schools — our Mis- sionary exertions ! These are all very good — blessed signs; but look also at the thousand millions of souls that are passing into eternity ! Can the Bible Associations, the Sunday and National Schools, together with all the Missionary exertions which we can bring for- ward, perform an immediate operation to effect the salvation of these perishing millions ? — No, Sir, all these are a work of time ; and therefore the cry of every Christian should be, " Come, Lord Jesus ! come quickly !" Having premised this, let us enter into a meeting where the Lord is powerfully present to heal souls. — There is a person close by where you stand, cut to the heart, crying for mercy; two or three persons endeavouring to comfort him, by praying with him, and instructing him in the use and meaning of the promises ; urg- ing upon his mind the willingness of Christ to save sinners. A little farther on is a backslider, crying out, that " His mercy is clean gone for ever ;" that he has sinned against light ; — and all that the friends near him can say or do appears to be of no use. On one 23 side is a young person shouting out " Glory ! glory ! glory l be to God for ever and ever ! He has pardoned aU my sins: I can rejoice in His salvation." None of these persons, Sir, inconvenience each other : you and I, who are looking on, we are seriously incommoded ; and unless we kneel down and join in prayer and supplication, and worship that God who is so eminently present, we shall not only not be blessed, but we shall leave the place hardened, and, most probably, speak evil of the work of God. This was precisely the nature of the work that broke out at Wild Court : some evenings, six, ten, eighteen, and even twenty-five, were cut to the heart, and were saved into the liberty of God's children. In these meetings, those who were engaged in praying with, and in encouraging sinners, were all fire, all zeal, all love ; they had strong and clear views of the willingness of God to save sinners ; the Lord fitted them for every species of the work that there was to do : and as soon as a soul was convinced of sin, and cried out for mercy, that moment was he, and those who prayed with him, locked up, as it were, by the Lord; the sinner with his sins full in his view, and the others with as powerful an assurance of the efficacy of the atonement — all shut out from any other persons in the same room engaged in a similar way. But you ask whether these sudden conversions will stand fast. You will recollect, Sir, that the Scripture speaks of the dog turn- ing to his vomit again ; and the sow that was washed, to her wal- lowing in the mire ; — and we, as Methodists, believe that a man may fall, both foully and finally. Now let us try the work logically, by the rules of Methodism : The Methodists believe that a man, after having been soundly converted to God, may fall foully and J?wa% .• Therefore, if a man profess to have been soundly converted to God, whether suddenly, or after having been seven or eight years in the Methodist Society, and shall fall into sin within! a fortnight, or a month afterwards, this is no proof that he • never was converted to God. So that, speaking as men, their standing fast will, under God, deV pend upon circumstances — circumstances that will be detailed shortly : and the question to be asked here should not be, whether those persons that are suddenly converted are likely to stand fast, but whether there are any sudden conversions at all. Let us insti- tute an inquiry. To the real conversion of a sinner, conviction for sin and repent- ance are absolutely and indispensably necessary. , Is it asked, what depth of conviction, and what quantum of re* pentance, are necessary before a man can come to the Lord Jesus Christ. Jesus Christ has himself fixed it : " Come unto me, all ye that are. weary and heavy laden" Then it follows, that as soon as a man feels himself weary and 24 heavy laden, he may go to Christ : yes, that mdment ! But, however to be lamented, he does not always go to- Christ when he feels weary and heavy laden: by the advice of the Devil, he too fre- quently turns to his own righteousness; and, wrapping this about his guilty heart, he walks amidst the golden candlesticks in Zion, and is styled a ■seeker,, or rather, in the fashionable phraseology of the day, a " Member of the Society." Now, Sir, if we are to measure the depth of conviction, and the quantum of repentance necessary to meet the demands of the law of- Christ, by the conviction and repentance and walk of this man, we shall greatly err. Is he seeking God with all his heart ? Certainly not.- The Lord says, ~ ■"■ And -ye shall seek me, and find me, when ye shall search for me with all your heart." Mark the promise, Sir: it does not say, " After you have sought me ten minutes, or ten years, with all your heart, then shall you find me ;" but, Wh j n you seek— yes, the very moment your heart speaks — then wili I, the Lord your God, answer; for " before they call, I will answer ; and while they are yet speaking, I will hear/' To a right investigation of the question proposed, Whether God can convince and convert a number of people at the same time, and in the same place ? it will be necessary to inquire into the nature of conviction and repentance* Conviction differs, in its na- ture, with different people; some feel a hardness of heart, a con- sciousness of a hardness that refuses to receive and retain divine impressions. Others see the enormky of particular sins : some are gingukrly unhappy, an horror indescribable envelopes the mind: and others, again, have the pit of -hell uncovered to their view. But all, however varied their convictions may be, arrive at this point, — a conviction of- their unfitness for God and glory. Now, as to repentance. If, on a conviction for sin, the man does not bring forth fruits meet for repentance, then repentance has no place in him. But what are the fruits meet for repentance ; or the fruks that a man should produce, or bring forth, while in a penitent state ? This is a very general inquiry, by half-hearted professors* in all revivals of the work of .God; and therefore we shall be very par- ticular. When John preached the baptism of repentance for the re- mission of sinsj he exhorted his . auditors to bring forth fruits meet for repentance. What shall we do then ? said some of them who were covetous.- u He that -hath two* coats, let him impart to him that, hath none ; and he that hath meat, let him do likewise." To the publicans he said, " Exact no more than that which is ap- pointed you-," and to the soldiers, " Do violence to no man, neither accuse, any falsely, and be content with your wages." New here is fruit called for, under the common dispensation of the. Gospel — ordinary preaching. But can any one expect this sort of fruit from a man who never heard of Jesus Christ, till he came upon his death-bed? " Do violence to no man-, and be content with your wages!" This sort 25 of fruit is not to be looked for there; — sighs, groans, tears, ex- pressions of sorrow for a sinful life, is all we ought to look for or expect from a death-bed repentance. So in a revival : — Among Methodists, conversion-work is supposed to be continually going on, more or less, in the classes ; but revival- work., properly so, is a revival of the Pentecostal Work — a cutting of sinners to the heart — an instantaneous cutting of the sinner so powerfully, that he immediately cries aloud for mercy. Now, Sir; what fruit must we, or rather ought we, to look for ? Why, sighs, groans, tears, expressions of sorrow for a sinful life, and courage to kneel down in public, and cry aloud for mercy. Having cleared the way <■, and having arrived fully and fairly at the question, Can God convert several sinners at the same time, and in the same place ? — we will consider it* One difficulty among professing Christians, in allowing the genuineness of such a work, appears to arise from the consideration, that it is indispensably necessary that some length of time should elapse between the periods of conviction and conversion. That a length of time is requisite, depends on one of two reasons ; first, that it is essentially necessary to the sound conversion of a sinner, that professing Christians should be satisfied that he is really convinced, and that such conviction has really produced repent^ ance, and that a certain quantum of fruit meet for repentance has been also produced ; — or, secondly, that the Lord himself requires some time to ascertain that the sinner is not playing the hypocrite. I believe -we shall not find a professing body of men, anywhere, that will arrogate to themselves the divine right of shutting the" kingdom of heaven against a soul, on the ground of the quantum of repentance not coming up to the measure of their judgment ; for what may satisfy one man, may not satisfy another: thus there might be a schism in the body, and the man die and perish before they could be brought to decide on the point. And I am persuaded, that no one will attempt to impeach the Omniscience of God, and prescribe bounds to his judgment and penetration. He acts, a* he ever acted, like a God ; He forgives, as he ever hath forgiven, like a God. — Here Is the sinner, although taken in the very act, brought to judgment. What was the fruit of her repentance? She had, doubtless, heard of the Messiah, who was to come with ten thousand of his saints; — conscious shame bowed her head. " Go, and sin no more!" was the sentence of Him who tries the hearts and reins of the children of men ; and who has declared, that if we regard iniquity in our hearts, he will not hear us. The question of the reality of sudden conversion appears to disentangle itself, as we proceed;, from the objections which have hitherto encumbered it ; and, if we succeed in dissipating another objection that seems* to press itself upon our attention with no little force, namely, that although the Pentecostal work, and the subsequent outpouring of the Spirit in the primitive day% was necessary for that period ; yet, that as there is not that blind pre- 26 jttdice against the work .of God in our days, as existed then, that therefore it is uncalled for ; — I say, if we shall succeed in dissi- pating this, objection also, we shall establish the point, not only that there are sudden or instantaneous conversions, but that they are absolutely necessary, and cannot be dispensed with, in our day of boasted light and religion. The Jews expected the Messiah. He came. ■" If ye believe not me, yet believe me for the work's-sake," said our Lord ; — but they would not believe; they would not examine into the evidences which His work afforded. They continued obstinate; they ever insisted that they were the temple of the Lord, and that salvation must proceed from them to the Gentiles. This was all true : Salvation did proceed from them to the Gentiles, at the expense of their glory : and the Lord poured out His spirit, in the miraculous gift of tongues, on the Apostles ; and when the sound of the mighty rushing wind had alarmed the Jews, and when those dwellers at Jerusalem, who had arrived from almost every nation under heaven, were gathered together, Peter preached the Gospel to them, and 3000 were convinced and converted to God under that sermon. This gift of tongues enabled the Apostles to proceed to any part of the world ; but when they essayed to go into other parts, where the people would not receive them, the Spirit suffered them not : He withdrew the gift. And do we indeed differ from the Jews ? are we not looking put for the latter-day glor"y — an out-pouring of the Spirit — something beyond the day of Pentecost — something, compared to which, the day of Pentecost was as the small drop of the bucket ? Why then all those Missionary exertions — those Sunday- School Institutions— those Bible Associations ? Why those Anniversary Sermons, to stir up the people to exertion? All, all these, proclaim the universal expectation of Christians for something great and glorious — something, that has not yet been given — a mighty rushing wind ; a rending of the heavens ; an outpouring from God — rsomething, that shall throw to an immeasurable dist- ance all boasting ; that shall proclaim that it is God I The British and Foreign Bible Society is an admirable Institu- tion; and is good, very good, as far as it goes: but when we observe how few persons who have the Bible are really converted to God, we cannot help crying out, "Awake! Awake! put on strength, O arm of the Lord ! awake, as in the ancient days, in the generation of old!" The endeavour to christianize the Jews is a work which must be approved of God : all these combined efforts beget a solicitude for the extension of the kingdom of Christ ; the holy fire burns within them; and there is a restlessness of spirit, which will give God no rest, until he make Jerusalem a praise in the earth; until he pour out of his spirit on Jew and Gentile ; — and, perhaps, the instantaneous conversion of sinners will, be the means by which the Jews will eventually be convinced, and brought to Christ ; for as the Egyptians knew when the finger of God. 27 , . operated, so will the Jews be able to discover and ascertain the imme- \iate power of God, and will no doubt glorify Him. — -May it be soon ! There "is a very great danger of professors, in our day, resting in round of duties, and in external performances. If a professor does ot belong to a Bible Association, or some like institution, he had imost better not have been born ; whereas all these are only pre- airsors to something greater, but in fact lost sight of— a willing- tess of the people, testified by them, in this great day of His powex\ I think, in order to shew the necessity of some extraordinary nterposition of the Almighty, I need go no further, than call your Mention to the splendid professions of modern Christians : they >lace as much reliance in their various institutions, the parapher- talia of their respective churches, as Rome ever did. The cries of persons in distress in Wild Court Meeting, and. the houts of glory to God, gave great offence to several persons in the ihurch, and it was called confusion ; but r Sir, the only confusion hat existed, was the confusion which was made by those mrmbers )f the church, and Leaders, who came into the prayer-meetings, md pointed with their fingers, and talked aloud ! these were the ;roublers of Israel. The preachers now interfered, and seemed to vish for a genteel sort of a revival ; for they said, that if more than >ne person prayed at a time in the room, we should offend some of >ur lest friends. The Superintendant expressed a wish to me, at the Local Preach- rs' Breakfast Meeting, to meet those persons who were actively engaged in the work, in order to give some advice, and to " regulate things." But time passed away, and he forgot to meet them. It was at length given out, one Saturday evening, that Mr. Wood, the Superintendant, would meet the young converts on the next morning. About forty persons, I think, attended ; and there were only three out of them who could not give a clear testimony : two of these had mistaken the nature of the invitation, and supposed that it had been intended for those who wished to meet in class. On the Monday evening, Mr. Wood attended at Wild Court, at seven o'clock, and, as was usual, gave an exhortation, and left the meeting. The prayer-meeting then commenced, and several persons were in deep distress. At ten o'clock, Mr. Wood entered the meeting, in a very abrupt manner ; and although there were then three persons in deep distress, one of whom had been upon her knees for two hours, crying for mercy, he, without inquiring into the state of the persons in distress, said that he would not suffer the meeting to continue any longer ; and insisted upon our quit- ting the room. The poor woman was too miserable to listen to him ; but, notwithstanding her cries for mercy, and the prayers of others engaged, he prayed, and gave the blessing, and ordered us to depart. I now stepped forward to him, and told him, that as God had committed a dispensation to us, we felt determined that no preacher under heaven should stop the work; and that we would hire a place of our own, and worship God according to our coBsciencee. The Sunerintendant retired, and went into the School.- 28 master's parlour. In about five minutes, the Lord broke into heart of the poor woman, and set her at full liberty. The pe immediately sang, " Praise God, from whom all blessing's flo &c. ; and this blessed woman was clapping her hands, and shouti "Glory! Glory! Glory!" for full ten minutes. The Superin dant now came out again ; and he walked upon the benches towai the woman. I said to him, " For God's sake, Sir, don't suffer an) man whatever to influence you, to stop the work of God." How ever, he walked on, and ordered the woman away. She took his by the hand, and begged him to listen to her, while she related t< him how the Lord had met with her. We then left the Meeting. We went on as before, till a short time after this notice w: given from the pulpits of New Court, Lambeth, Hinde Street,Chels &c. for the Leaders and Stewards of the Societies, and also for tl persons who had been actively engaged in the work, to meet George- Yard School- house, to enter into some regulations f< perpetuating this work. You will be surprised, Sir, to learn, tha some of the Stewards in our chapels are unconverted men, — tha some of the Prayer Leaders are unconverted men ; — and yet thes# with others who were avowed enemies to this work, who bat roundly declared that it was the work of the Devil, all these wew called upon to meet those who had been labouring in this gloriouii work! I declined attending : others did the same. A Leader called upon me on the afternoon of that day, with t message from the Superintendant, desiring my attendance. I tolt him, that as it -was such a strange meeting, I had laid the matte) before the Lord, and that He refused to let me go to it. He urge* upon me the probability of my being deceived; but being certaii that I was not, he failed in his attempt to prevail on me. He faithfully delivered my sentiments ; and Mr, Bunting rose up and said, that God could not falsify his own word ; for that he hac said, " Obey them that have the rule over you ;" and that I hac sent woid to that meeting, that the Lord would not let me come That this was a glaring inconsistency ; and that, from henceforth, he would oppose me in all places, at all times, and on all occasions, as a schismatic! A word or two, Sir, upon consulting the Lord. You know that nothing is more common with our preachers, than to advise the lay. ing a matter before the Lord. This implies, first, that God wilJ hear us ; and secondly, that we shall know what answer he gives us- Now, I will meet Mr. Bunting on two grounds; — first, on the ground of common sense ; and secondly, on the ground that the answer I said that I had received, was not repugnant to the word of God. Was it contrary to common sense, for a man, who had been en- gaged in the revival, to refrain from being present at a meetin* called for the purpose of regulating those meetings where God had evidently been at work ; and to which meeting persons were in* vited who denied the work to be of God? — Could any good come out of it ? — Was it not likely to gender strife ? — I say, Sir, ia thii 29 duction contrary to common sense?— You say, Certainly not. len, on tlje ground of common sense, I did right to stay away. ^Secondly, that the answer I said I had received from God, was it repugnant to the Word of God. " Obey them that have the le over you :" Very well. Does Mr. Bunting contend for the fallibility of the Superintendant ? If he does, there is an end to e search for higher directions : if he does not, let us look to the eeting. This meeting was called, ostensibly, to promote the glory God, by endeavouring to perpetuate the work which was begun; id which, some of the persons present said, ivas of the Devil! Well ; but," says Mr. Bunting, " the Superintendant did not know is !" This is exactly what I contend for. I say that God knew it ; id therefore I asked him, and he refused to let me go. I say that e Lord knew that the Superintendant had committed an error judgment, and He refused to let me go. The work of God proceeded till the Superintendant and Mr.. anting left town, last February, for Yorkshire, to make theCollec- »tt ordered by Conference to aid the finances of the circuit. The eaders' Meeting of Great Queen Street took into consideration the ' ■eat expense that the Trustees were put to for candles (being ►out 4£lbs. per week) at Wild Court, where the work of God had sen carried on ; and in order to provide for it, a collection was dered to be made at Wild Court, on the first Sunday morning the vionth, and on the third Monday evening in the month. However necessary collections might be in aid of the Church, 3t the idea of going round, at a prayer-meeting, to a congrega- tm, with a plate, to solicit money, after ten or twelve souls had Sen set at liberty, was too monstrous and unfeeling to be admitted, andles were immediately subscribed for, by the Prayer Leaders ; at the Leaders' Meeting, having altered the plan to once in six eeks, and that the collection should be made on the Sabbath-day %ly, after the preaching, the subscriptions were discontinued. This direction to collect money, on the Monday evenings, from le people at Wild Court, was considered as a first step of the »eaders' Meeting to bring the Wild-Court meetings into disrepute; nd, therefore, when the persons who usually assembled at Wild Jaurt learned that the candlesticks were about to be removed, hey felt persuaded that enmity to that meeting was manifesting tself in every possible way. * The result of removing the candlesticks has been before ; you so hat I have no occasion to trouble you upon the subject here. You will recollect, Sir, I stated that the affair between Mr. Oats md the other parties was settled, according to the law of Christ, radof our Church : the parties were brought to forgive each other. ' If thy brother shall trespass against thee, go and tell him his ' fault, between thee and him alone : if he shall hear thee, thou : ' hast gained thy brother ; but if he will not hear thee, then : ' take with thee one or two more, that in the mouth of two " or three witnesses every word maybe established; and if he shall " neglect to hear them, tell it unto the, Church ; but if he neglect 30 " the Church, let him be unto thee as an heathen man and a puij-' ' " lican." Mr. Oats listened to the messenger of peace ; and he agreed to shake hands with the other parties.— But why did the Superintendant interfere? What right had he to push aside the rule laid down by Christ for the government of his Church ? " Let " me advise you to make me a mediator in this business, and tell ; '.* these Brethren that you have done wrong, and that you are sorry for it!" Why, he had had one mediator already. — You perceive, Sir, the Superintendant presumed that an acknowledgment was sufficient ■■ to satisfy the other parties : if they were satisfied without such an " acknowledgment, he ought to have been thankful that peace and harmony were re-established ; his interference was necessary only as a last resource. But the Superintendant of the Circuit, the Chair- man of the London District, forgetting his duty to God and to the Methodist Conference, presumed to disturb the repose of the par- ties; and fanned up a flame, that all -his ingenuity will never be able to extinguish. I will now consider the charge brought against me on th« lawyer's letter to the Stewards. Mr. Manning was a Trustee of Great Queen Street Chapel, and was in the meeting that voted the candlesticks to Kentish Town. I have shewn before, that Mr. White, in fact, was to have been tried; for I came to hold him to his proof; and if he had failed in it, he must have been expelled the meeting. It is a common thing, on prosecutions for assault, to include in the indictment a person or two whose evidence it is apprehended will go against -the party indicting : by this means the party committing the assault loses the benefit of his evidence, because his witness, by this manoeuvre, is made a principal in the charge. This was precisely the case here : and I was assailed in this way by Mr. White, while sitting in judg- ment ; and therefore, Sir, I had a> right to expect, that, on his failing to prove his point, he would, for such outrageous conduct, have been expelled the meeting. But it has been said, that I ought to have applied to the Church, regarding the conduct of Mr. Manning. You will, no doubt, say,That if I had applied (from what I have laic before you), that I should have had no chance of succeeding at all: so I am persuaded. Mr. Manning's last note did not reach me till after ten o'clock on Monday night, and my affair came on the Wednesday following: there was no Leaders' Meeting until the Wednesday. The Church, the Leaders' Meeting, rejected my offer to shew the reason why I went to the lawyer ; they permittee the parties interested in the Subject to sit in judgment on me. In fact, Sir, it was not going to law ; it was a letter, advising th< Stewards, (when every attempt to bring them to a proper sense o their duty failed), that if they persisted in their parly-making busi ness, they must abide the consequences — that 1 would gWi instructions to proceed against them and their partisans. It was case of emergency; there were not eight and forty hours betwee Mr. Manning's last letter and the time of my trial ; and I contenc SI that I Was right, according to the usage of Methodism, in extreme Cases* . But it has been contended, that it brings a disgrace on the cause of Christ, For brother to go to law with brother. I ask, Who knew that I had sent a lawyer's letter ? Did the Lord Chief Justice? or the Lord Chancellor? or any persons out of the Church? No, Sir. But when the Preachers themselves chose to go to law with the Trustees of the City-Road Chapel, the Lord Chancellor knew it — every Judge in the kingdom knew it — all England knew it! Hour does that alter the case ? Turn to the doctrine laid down above- that it is a disgrace to the cause of Christ. Why, Sir, according to the doctrine of Mr. Bunting, who says, " that no case on earth, not even where life is concerned, can justify a man going to a lawyer," they ought to have gone out again into the highways and hedges, and preached until they had got other chapels, and not have proclaimed their folly in Gath : and no excuse, according to Mr. Bunting, can warrant the principle upon which they acted in the City-Road business. But there is another case, Sir, only of yesterday. I -presume that it has reached your ears, N that there is a division in Ireland ; and that Mr. Taylor, only two or three weeks before the candle- Sticks were taken away from Wild Court, introduced into the Queen-Street Leaders' Meeting a printed Circular, stating, that the Trustees in Ireland had oppressed the Preachers, and had encou- raged the people to go to the Established Church, to receive the Sacrament, instead of encouraging them to receive it at the hands of those who, administered the Word to them; in conse- quence of which, a division had taken place, and the Trustees had shut up twenty-six chapels against the Travelling Preachers ; and that the preaching had been carried on there by the Local Preachers only : and he added, that the reason for introducing that Circular into the Meeting was, that if any person found that they had half-a-guinea to spare, the Preachers would be very glad to receive it, in order to enable them to go to law, to recover those chapels from their proud oppressors !! ! — I observed (which observation' filled the cup of my iniquity to the brim), " This is precisely what I thought would happen : the Preachers are very fond of Camel-hunting', if they see a rich man, they will have him, at all events; and by and bye he breaks their net, and laughs at them.'! Now, Sir, to make a collection, to enable them to go to law! What, will nobody hear of it besides the Methodists ? — Is the Judge to be a Methodist?— the Jury to be Methodists? — the Counsel to be Methodists? — all, all to be Methodists?— and is the matter to be tried in a Leaders' Meeting only?- It was ruled by Mr. Taylor, who presided on the trial of Mr. Oats, that as his accusers had applied to a religious constable, they had done right ! Now, it so happens, Sir, that my friend applied to a religious lawyer (at least to a lawyer that had promised to subscribe^ to our "cfaapeb), therefore he must 'have done right also: and if 1 can 32 prove that my lawyer is a religious lawyer, which I can do, I am right also. But if it shall be said, that I carry the matter too far, I reply, that, in my business, the Preachers have strained at a gnat, and swallowed a camel. In the Irish business, it is their duty to be silent ; it is their duty to keep it quiet ; it is their duty to cover, from the Government of this country, the reason assigned for the division in Ireland. Let them go out into the highways and hedges; let them " break up new ground;" let them die; — but do not let them proclaim their shame. If the Conference, Sir, shall say that the Irish Preachers have done right; if it shall absolve them from all blame; if they shall justify the measure of going to law to recover their chapels in Ireland; then, Sir, let them blush for the cause. Let it be proclaimed, that, with all their boasted respect for the Government of the country, they preferred a division, to their stooping to meet half-way the prejudices of their people who were in favour of a communion with the Established Church. Let them boast again of their affectionate regard to it ; and then let them afterwards, if they dare, solicit your name on their Committee, to guard their privileges, and urge you to pledge your word and honour, in the House of Commons, for their unshaken attachment to Church and Slate. But this, they say, is the Irish Connexion. Sir, this Irish flame was first kindled by a spark from this side the water ; and was, according to report, blown up into its present rage bj r a person who presided at a late Conference of theirs, and whose name I shall not mention here. Here is destruction with a vengeance ! — here is a treading down the people without mercy ! You cannot think that I have gone too far, Sir. It is not possible that you should have forgotten your own feelings, when your zeal for the Missions tempted you, and some of your friends, to make special inquiries of persons residing where the Missionaries were stationed: the matter was taken out of your hands by the Preachers ; and you have, I believe, ever since evinced your disap- probation of their conduct. We have, in our Connexion, about 800 Travelling Preachers, and between 3 and 4000 Local Preachers, all engaged. We raise, in the London West Circuit, I believe, from 1000/. to about 1200/. per annum, for the support of our four Preachers. Now, suppose that we make an average allowance to each of the Travelling Preachers and their families, throughout the Connexion, of about 150/. per annum ; this will give a claim upon the Connexion, of about 120,000/. per annum, independent of the Preachers' Schools, and the money which passes through Conference. Now, Sir, the annual average increase of Members, in late years, has not been more than 10,000 persons. Let us turn to the New Connexion. They have about eighty Travelling Preachers, and about 120 Local Preachers. Allowing their Travelling Preachers the same as 1 have given to ours, namely, 150/. each, about 12,000/. will be th» claim on the Connexion 33 for one year, independent of other expenses. Their increase of Members, last year, was something short of 5000. Here is a great disparity. Let us try it by the Rule of Three : If 12,000/. give 5000 Members, what ought 120,000/. to give ?-— Answer, 50,000 ! But if we leave out of the account the gracious visits from God in Cornwall and other parts, we shall have a very great disparity indeed. You ask the reason : — Most of the Circuits are pretty comfortable ; and therefore, if both ends will meet, as the saying is, no great exertions are neces- sary. If there should be any Leader who is active and zealous,— ** very well, Brother ; you are laying up a good foundation against the day to come !" — and if he is not actually opposed, they leave him to himself. In fact, Sir, there is such an apathy, such a lassi- tude, pervading almost the whole Methodist Connexion, in the clerical department, except when any opportunity offers for speaking at Missionary Meetings, Bible Associations, Sunday- School Meetings, &c. that were it not for the visits of the Almighty, in a very special manner — which, in fact, is saying, " How shall I give you up?" — we should have nothing but decrease upon decrease. I observed that the Methodist system is weakened ; that it wants re-organizing. The Superintendants of Circuits have too much power : if one of the other Preachers outstrips him in use- fulness, he may, probably, be sent, when his removal is to take place, 200 miles from the spot where he was last stationed. I found it necessary, the last Conference, to exercise my right of petitioning the^Conference. Mypetition was not cordially received. I, unfortunately, with my petition, sent a letter, addressed to a Preaeher there : he had been put down as Superintendant for a very comfortable Circuit, having two ether Preachers under him. His appointment ofBishop was immediately changed for that of Rural Dean ; and he is now his own superintendant in a spot conside- rably distant from his first appointment. This system must be reformed and changed, or you may be unsafe, and be liable to be thrust out of the Church in a moment ; unless, indeed, your time and property were spent in influencing the Preachers to nominate Leaders, who shall be so attached to you, as to form around you a line of circumvallation. The Irish business proclaims the folly of all concerned in it, and has established a precedent which promises a new era in Metho- dism — the Local Preachers alone carrying on the preaching of the Gospel, and the people passing on to the Established Church to the Sacraments! If the 120,000/. above alluded to, were laid out annually in opening new places, under the preaching of those zealous well-informed men, the Local Preachers; instead of having an increase only of 10,000 souls a year, we should have 100,000 ; and this will, sooner or later, b,e the case : for if the Lord hegins to pour out his Spirit, except under a Travelling Preacher, they oppose it, and, like a certain Preacher, after I had left the Local Preachers' Meeting, cry out, *J Let us rise as one man, and srush the work!" 34 Perhaps, Sir, you will think that I have given you trouble eaough with my Epistle. 1 hope you will do something to prevent a recurrence of such injustice and oppression; and that you will make such a representation, in the proper place, as shall induce an adoption of measures calculated to secure the situation of every member in the Church, until he is found worthy of bonds. But you reply, and ask, " Where have you asserted your inno- cence ? You have argued certain points, and made certain deduc- tions ; where is your innocence stated, in unequivocal language ?" You will recollect, Sir, I stated, that when Mr. Bunting moved to take the sense of the Meeting on the question, whether it should pass sentence on me, on my own admission that I went to the lawyer, or that Mr- White should say "I charge Brother Fesen- meyer with assisting and advising, &c. for I heard him say that he had been to the lawyer," &c. I cautioned them, and said that Mr. Oats was in the chapel, and would make my character shine like the sun. It has, however, been since argued, that the proper time had not come to hear him ! But had I waited, Sir, till they had decided that sentence should immediately pass upon me, you will agree with- me that the proper time had passed by. Take the declaration of my innocence, Su-j from Mr. Oats's own hand-writing, now before me, and which has been laid before the Rev. R. Reece, the President of the last Conference ; viz. " With regard to Mr. Fesenmeyer, he did go to the attorney with me, it is true ; but the advice he gave me was this : " Let them alone — never mind them : I'll go and collect money, and we'll have new branches." And I now beg leave to add, that although I went to the lawyer with him, yet the constable had leen with one of the parties upwards of two hours before I saw the lawyer ; so that I was not " the life, the soul, the core of the business." . " It is a pity (you say) that the Leaders' Meeting and the Preachers did not take time to inquire into these facts ; and parti- cularly as you put them on their guard, and offered to call in Mr. Oats." Precisely so, Sir ; and when I remind you, that, on my* saying to Mr. Wood, as I quitted the Local Preachers' Meeting, that I could not stay to tea, as I had so much to do (referring to the business of the Leaders' Meeting), Mr. Bunting replied, as I shut the door, " So much to do ! -it would be well if you did less, and prayed more ;" — you will say, " Fesenmeyer, Fesenmeyer ! it was owing to your not praying enough that Mr. Bunting's elo- quence, when he personated you, on your trial, in your absence, failed to make an impression on the minds of the Leaders." Sir, his eloquence had weight with the meeting ; for one of the Leaders declared, that he never saw a fairer trial in all his life. But I rather think that Mr. Bunting's arguments fell before a declaration made by a Member of the Meeting, who said, that if Fesenmeyer was ever allowed to come again to that Meeting, he would give up his Class Paper. i In fact, Sir, it was the revival, and the revival only, that was my crime, and the only crime with which their consciences charged 35 me ; for Mr. Kent/ the Secretary to the Trustees, said publickly, " Fesenmeyer is a'thorn in the flesh to us, and he might as well go out for that as for any thing else." But you may say, that there was a way open to me by which I might obtain redress, namely, the District Meeting. After my expulsion from the Society, the friends at Wild Court insisted on my praying among them, as usual. Ldid so ; till, one evening, Messrs. Kent, Handisyde, Manning, and others, came into the Meeting, and said, " Is there no way of stopping that fellow ?" It was afterwards given out in the meeting, that the Prayer Meet- ings would continue till nine o'clock, the curfew of the London Circuits on this revival occasion ; and also that a Trial Sermon was to be preached in the room on the Sabbath Morning follow- ing. — A Meeting, in consequence, was called by several of the friends who had been actively engaged in the work ; and the fol- lowing Resolutions were entered into; viz. " At a Meeting, held on Monday Evening, March 31, 1817> of the Prayer Leaders, and other Persons who have been actively employed in the Revival of the Work of God at Wild Court, Lincoln s~ Inn- Fields, it was Unanimously Resolved : " That the Work which has been, and is still carrying on, in Wild Court, Lincoln's-Inn-Fields, is the Work of God. " That it is our duty, as Men and as Christians, to carry on and further that Work, by every means in our power. " That, on account of the smallness of the place, and the ob- structions which have, from time to time, been thrown in the way, a larger and more commodious place be imme- diately procured, where the Work will not be exposed to the like inconveniences. " That the place about to be procured be appx*opriated solely to the purpose of Prayer Meetings. "That it is quite foreign to the intention of any of the Persons composing this Meeting to cause a division ; or to sepa- rate, in any respect whatever, from the General Me- . thodist Society. -" In pursuance of the above Resolutions, the Friends have en- gaged a large and commodious Room, known by the name of The Wellington Bazaar, 218, Holborn, four doors from Little Queen Street ; which will be opened, for the first time, on Monday Even- ing next, April 7, at Seven o'clock." We of course quitted Wild Court, and the Work of God con* ■ tinued to go on among us at the Bazaar. On Sunday the 14th of April, Mr. Wood met the Society in New Court Chapel ; and told the Society, that although at first he believed the work to be the work of God, yet, from what he had since heard, he was convinced it was not, On this I addressed him as follows ; - 36 " April 16, 1817. " Rev. Sir, — I am very sorry, that, on Sunday evening, at New Court, you gave the statement you did of the work of God at Wild Court. You believed the beginning of it to be the work of God ; but, from what you have heard, you were persuaded that, recently > there was no religion at all in it. Now, Sir, if you had acted latterly as you did at first, you would have known whether it was the work of God or not; and would not have staked your character as a preacher on hearsay evidence, in a matter of such magnitude as is the business which you have been lately engaged in. Not a Sermon has been preached to the young converts, to help them ; no more examinations to ascertain the correctness of the work ; but you have made an attempt to sweep away the whole, by a broad assertion, founded on hearsay evidence. *i Indeed, obstacles only have been laid before the persons who obtained the pardon of their sins in the late revival : however, Sir, God can reckon with every one who has so done. I have troubled you with this, in the way of assigning a reason for our intention to hold a Love-feast at the Bazaar on Sunday next, for the benefit and encouragement of the young converts, and to endeavour to reclaim those who may have fallen, and in order that you may know the true reason for holding it, and not be led away by any hearsay story, *< J am, Rev. Sir, &c." , At this Love-feast, about fifteen persons were set at liberty. Nothing particular occurred till May ; when Mr. Wood, on meeting the Society, said, that if any person had any thing against the Preachers, the District Meeting was the place to appeal to. As Mr. Wood was Chairman of the District, the Members of my Class turned their attention to Mr. Reece, the President of the Conference, who was in town ; and handed to him Mr, Oats's written statement of the case, and accompanied it with the follow? ing letter : " May 3, 1817. " Rev. Sir, — We the Undersigned, in behalf of ourselves, and th$ other Members of Mn. Fesenmeyer's Classes, beg to call your attention to the situation of the London West Circuit, occasioned by the unjust conduct of the Queen Street Leaders' Meeting, towards him and Brother Oats ; the former of whom they, with the assistance and influence of the four Circuit Preachers, have ex- pelled : the latter they have suspended. « « Under ordinary circumstances, it would nothave been considered matter of serious inquiry ; but when you learn, that with it is con- nected the revival of the work of God in this circuit, and probably in London ; involving a point of a most nice and delicate nature j the President of the Conference cannot, we are persuaded, refuse to call upon the Preachers, for an explanation of their conduct in the affair. " It is true, that the Superintendant of the Circuit has declared, that he is willing to leave the Circuit; this is hut poor compeu* 37 teftion for injuring the work of God, and trampling upon judg- ment and justice. None of us are safe ; and may, like Mr. Fesen- meyer, after having spent sixteen years in the Society, be driven from it, for endeavouring to be useful* " It is impossible tor us to detail to you the whole of the matter connected with this business ; We are not acquainted with it sufficiently : it courts your inquiry, and we do not doubt but you will be able to arrive at the facts. " The Minute read to us by Mr. Wood, according to the best of our recollection, ran thus : 1 That Brother Fesenmeyer was charged with advising and assisting Brother Oats, in his unchristian-like and improper conduct towards Messrs. Kent, Handisyde, and Elsworth ; and also with sending Brother Manning a Lawyer's Letter ; and that Brother Fesenmeyer having withdrawn hjmself from the Meeting, had thereby excluded himself from the Society ; and that therefore he is excluded accordingly ; and that he shall not be received again into the Society, but upon his having repented, and until he shall have given evident marks of his eontritioni' *' We understand that Mr. Fesenmeyer offered to prove that the advice he had given to Brother Oats would have made his cha- racter shine like the light; but this was rejected. That when he found the meeting were determined to proceed to judgment, on the bare fact of his having gone with Mr. Oats to the lawyer, without entering into the reason for so doing, Mr. Fesenmeyer protested against the Trustees of Great Queen Street (who had voted away the candlesticks) and the Trustees of Kentish Town (who had received them) giving a vote On the question ; and that on Mr. Bunting and Mr. Jenkins, and others of the meeting, crying • That won't do !' he immediately »aid, ' I shall leave the meeting :' and he immediately withdrew. " What passed there we cannot tell ; but, from the Minute read by Mr. Wood, it appears, that after Mr. Fesenmeyer had left the meeting, he was charged with having sent an Attorney's Letter to Mr. Manning ; and that, finally, he was expelled the Methodist Society, for having withdrawn himself, on the meeting refusing to allow the validity of his protest. We do not presume to be acquainted with the niceties of the law : we, however, cannot but think, that as he attended the summons, and as he withdrew only on the meeting disallowing the validity of his protest, all that that meeting could do, was to pass the sentence which was due to the offence with which he was charged ; supposing that he had been allowed to have produced evidence of his innocency. "Regarding the second charge, which was brought against him in his absence, of this we shall say nothing. If the offence with which he was charged did not call for a sentence sufficiently heavy to meet the wishes of his accusers, we beg to say, that a second summons, on a new charge, appears to us to have been the most christian-like and proper way: perhaps Mr. Fesenmeyer 38 might have been able to vindicate his conduct : in his absence, we are persuaded he never could. And it would be challenging, Sir, your penetration and judgment, to offer any thing upon the sen- tence founded on Mr. Fesenmeyer's having withdrawn himself from the meeting ; the meeting having refused to receive his pro- test on a principle acknowledged on the trial of persons, in this country, who stand charged of crimes which degrade the human character; " With the way in which Mr. Fesenmeyer intends to defend his character, we have nothing to do: how far he considers, the business connected with the revival in this circuit, wherein about 600 persons have been set at liberty since November, we leave him to explain : we know nothing about it — we want security for ourselves — we tremble for our own situations in the Church ; and apprehend, that if the principles of judgment and justice are not deeply sown in the bosoms of our preachers, and preachers ,so highly honoured by the stations that have been assigned to two of them — Secretary to the Conference and Chair- man of the London. District, we are left, indeed, without hope ; and that the church, which we have been endeavouring to foster and strengthen, must one day fall a victim to anarchy and party spirit. " We have taken the liberty to inclose with this, a statement of the principal facts of Mr. Oats's case, being the foundation of the whole business : it is the only copy which we could obtain ; and we i most respecfully beg you will cause it to be returned to -one of us, after you have given it the consideration you shall think it calls for. " We are, Rev. Sir, with great respect and affection, " Yours in the best of bonds, " John Vincent, "To the Rev. Mr. Reece,-} Philip Whitehead. . President of the Methodist V- Conferencer J This letter, with the Case, was left at Mr. Marsden's, where Mr. Reece then was, on the Sunday morning immediately preceding the Tuesday on which the District Meeting usually met. Neither. Mr. Whitehead nor Mr. Vincent heard any thing from Mr. Reece till the following Friday; when the post brought back the Case, inclosed in the same wrapper in which it had been forwarded to him, without a single line or communication of any sort. i It was now discovered that Mr. Wood, the Chairman of the District, who, from the pulpit, courted inquiry into the conduct of the Preachers at the District Meeting, had called the District Meeting together a week earlier than usual, without giving notice of it; and that, when application was made to Mr. Reece, the Meeting had been dissolved three days ! Several other persons, notmembers of my class, now took, up the 39 ' business: a remonstrance was drawn up, and signed by 138 persons, and forwarded to Mr. Reece, of which the following is a copy : — " The respectful Information, Complaint,, and Remonstrance, of the undersigned persons, Members of the Great Queen, Street Society, in the London West Circuit. if SHEWETH, " That a misunderstanding has unhappily arisen in this Circuit, founded in an opposition to a revival of the work of God, which broke out in the month of November last, in which not less than 600 persons professed to have found peace. " That this misunderstanding having continued down to March last, a dispute accidentally occurred between Mr. Oats and the Trustees of Great Queen Street Chapel, and the Trustees of Kentish Town Chapel ; when occasion was seized to' involve Mr. Fesenmeyer in the business, and to charge him with being the principal and adviser in it ; and that, finally, the Great Queen Street Leaders* with the assistance and influence of the four Preachers of the Circuit, improperly and unjustly expelled him from the Society, and suspended Mr. Oats for three months. "That from the various attempts made by the Preachers at the Local Preachers' Meeting, and at other meetings, to stop the work ; and from Mr. Fesenmeyer, who was a very active and principal person in such revival, having been expelled the Society, upon principles contrary to Methodism and the law of the land, and in a manner disgraceful to Ministers of the Gospel ; the people have been driven to open a place where they may worship God in a proper way, and supplicate heaven, unmolested by threat or im- proper interposition, for a continuance of the outpouring of ,the Spirit of God. " That from accounts having reached this country of the alarming division and rent in Ireland, where six-and-twenty chapels have been closed against the Travelling Preachers, your Complainants are fearful that the spirit which fanned the flame in that country has been busying itself in the present matter, to carry into effect a project destructive of the whole Methodist body. " That if the President of the Methodist Conference shall refuse or decline to make the proper and necessary inquiries into the con- duct of the Preachers, in this disgraceful affair ; and shall omit to use all his authority to counteract the mischief that is likely to re- sult from the misconduct of the Preachers in the business ; the con- sequence of such refusal and neglect must lie upon him ; and for which they respectfully beg leave to remind him, that he is respon- sible to the Conference. (Signed by 138 persons.) "TotheRev.Mr.Reece,^ President of the Methodist K. Conference.'' J r This was accompanied with the following Letter : — "London, May 14, 181 7. " Rev. Sir, — I feel very sorry that the -manner in which you re- turned Mr. Oats' s statement of the transaction which took place in 40 the Queen-Street Society has produced a measure which .compels me, a second time, to address you on that unpleasant business. " I beg leave to call your attention to a clause in the Large Mi- nutes of Conference ; and in doing this, I trust I shall stand ac- quitted of any thing like disrespect towards you. " * And he [the President of the Conference] shall have a right ' (if written to by any who are concerned) to visit, any Circuit, and * to inquire into their aifairs, with respect to Methodism ; and, in * union with the District Committee, redress any grievance/ " We wrote to you, Sir, agreeably to our right, as Methodists; and if the District Committee was not sitting at the time you received our information, we conceive that it was your duty to have sum- moned it, — particularly as most of its members were then on the spot. " It is my duty to acquaint you, that it was intended that not one member of Mr. Fesenmeyer's classes should sign the instrument now transmitted to you ; and but very few of them have been able to elude the vigilance of the friends who had the care of it. " Should you ask if the names of those who have signed the remon- strance comprise the total number of the persons who are dissatis- fied with the proceedings of the Preachers, I reply, that they by no means approach to such a conclusion ; and I am persuaded, Sir, that that you would not wish to see a larger number attached to an instrument of so unpleasant a nature. " In whatever way you shall determine to proceed in the business, I hope you will do those persons, who signed the instrument) the favour to apprize me of such determination. " I am, Rev. Sir, yours very respectfully, {t To the Rev. Mr. Reece,'} "John Vincent. President of the Methodist > Conference" j Mr, Reece sent the following Reply . — u . Dear Sir, — I was sorry that, owing to the constant occupations which engaged my attention during the short time I was in London, I was obliged to return Mr. O 's statement without a line. '*' Your proper methodistical course of proceeding was, to have stated your case to the District Meeting ; [and if you were not satisfied with the decision of that meeting, then your appeal to the Confe- rence would have been orderly. " It appears to me a little singular, that your Preachers should be represented as * opposing a^ revival of the work of God,' — men, whose labours, whose time, and whose Jives are devoted to promote such revival, and one of which ^Preachers has been doing this for the last forty years. I would advise you to review the case, and inquire whether the spirit and conduct of the complainants has been scriptural and methodistical. If it have, your complaint will be heard by the. Conference. If it have not, I hope you will do all you can to bring those who have erred to a right state of mind, th3t the $••• ■■ may be healed, and peace restored. 41 •'. I shall write to your Superintendant, and send him a copy of this letter. Wishing you all good, I shall present your Remonstrance, &c. to the Conference, if you have not arranged your differences before that time. " I am your affectionate brother, " R. Rkece." Mr. Vincent again wrote Mr. Reece, as follows : — May 23,1817. " Rev. Sir, — I have to acknowledge ths receipt of your letter with- out date, which came to hand yesterday. It should seem, by your promising to lay before the Conference the Remonstrance, &c. ad- dressed to" you in your capacity of President of the Conference, and which' calls upon you, in that capacity," to inquire into a case of oppression and injustice which has" involved the characters of all the Preachers on the Circuit, that the persons who have signed that instrument have widely mistaken their way. " You have, Sir, pointed out to us the proper methodistical way that should have marked our proceedings; by that of first applying to the District Meeting; and then, if we were dissatisfied, Conference would have been open to us. " This we were well aware of; and when it is recollected that the Superintendant of this Circuit is Chairman of the District, and that he had, without giving notice in our chapel, called the District Meeting a week earlier than usual, and at a time when the attention of the Methodists in our District was taken up with their Missionary Meetings, we are persuaded that the Conference will not push aside any appeal that the people shall feel themselves warranted in making, because they were not aware of the change ; but, were, in fact, pur- suing, as they supposed, the precise plan which you have pointed out in your letter, but which was rendered abortive by circumstances which they could not controul. " The application was made to you, Sir, on the Sunday morning, on the idea that the District Meeting would not be held till the fol- lowing Tuesday. We could not apply to thejChairman of the Dis- trict. You had ' a right,' according to the laws of Conference, to take the chair at that Meeting, on the question submitted to yout attention ; and as we were pursuing a just and honourable path of* inquiry, we hoped that you would not have left town until the matter had been inquired into. And our hopes on this point were strengthened, by the circumstance of your having been with Mr. Elsworth, one of the parties concerned ; which afforded us ground for supposing that you were making the most rigid and solemn, inquiry ; and gathering from hence, that the business would receive, if not a decision in form, yet one, of that kind, and just, and af- fectionately attentive nature, which could not fail to heal any wound that a momentary forgetfulness might have caused. " I said, Sir, that it seems, by your promising to lay before the Con- ference the Remonstrance addressed to yourself,that the Remonstrants had missed their way. The design, I believe, is not that that in- strument should find its way to the Conference ; but that it should induce you, as the father of the Methodist family, for the present 42 year, to interpose your paternal authority, and hush every thing into, peace and quietness. " If your interposition should fail of producing the desired ef- fect, proper notices of the intention to exhibit a complaint will be promptly forwarded to every member of the Conference so con- stituted by deed, before they leave the Circuits 3 ar^d a printed copy of the instrument, which is to be forwarded to Conference, and which contains a statement of the whole matter, will be put into the hand of every Preacher who shall attend the Conference. " You advise us, Sir, to review the case. I, for one, who was pre- sent when Mr.* Wood and Mr. Needham met Mr. Fesenmeyei's Classes, to explain the reasons of his expulsion, confess to you that I dare notj and I heartily wish I never heard of it. • " You think it singular, that our Preachers should be represented as ' opposing a revival of the work of God — men whose labours, whose time, and whose lives are devoted to promote such revival, &c.' It does not follow, Sir, that, because they have so devoted themselves for a length of time, that therefore they may not err. If it were stated to you, that Mr. got up in the Local Preachers' Meeting,. and said, ' Let us rise up as one man, and crush the work at once,' would you not say, .' Stop,, brother! You know not what manner of spirit you are of: try the spirits first, and see whether they be of God ?' " Our first application to you stated, that the matter courted your inquiry: we expected you to make it. If our Preachers will not hear our complaints ; if they refuse to heal our sorrows ; if they shall think lightly of our misfortunes, and refuse to pour the oil and wine of consolation into our wounds ; they must not be dissatisfied at our people expressing surprise and astonishment, in a way which reflects very little credit on the labours , of our Preachers, and less on the feelings of their, hearts j and much less can ungenerous epithets, and expressions from them be justified towards us, for having been driven, by them, to hire a place to worship God in, where we may fiot be molested. " lam, &c. '* John Vincent." To this Mr. Vincent received the following letter : " Dear Sir, — I received your last letter, and am a little surprised that you should again mention the subject of my not having taken official notice of your first application to me when I was in London. " You should remember, that that application was not stated to be official, and only bore the signatures of two men totally unknown to me. " Secondly, You should remember, the pa,per never came to my hand till some days after the District Meeting had closed, and the Preachers had returned to their circuits. " And you should also remember, that the Preachers, according to your own statement, have acted in concert with the Leaders' Meet- ing, as the rule requires \ 43 u I have written again to Mr. Wood, and have enclosed your last letter : I can do no more under present circumstances. " May 27, 1817. " I am your affectionate brother, " R. Reece." Is it possible that the President of the Conference should forget, that in the week in which the District Meeting was held, all our Missionary Meetings were held for the district ? that the day he received the statement, was the day appointed for the collections to be made in all our chapels ? that in the following week was the meeting of the British and Foreign Bible Society, when many scores of our Preachers were there? Our prayer-meetings still continued, the Almighty still crowning our endeavours, until the latter end of May ; when the Preachers in our circuit began to visit those friends whom they considered as counte- nancing me, in order to induce them to withdraw from our'meetings. Messages were sent to others, offering to make them Class-leaders if they would return to Wild Court; and to one was actually offered, by the Preachers themselves, the honour of opening Wild Court School-- house, which had been white-washed, &c. if they would leave me to myself. " What is to become of Fesenmeyer then ?" was the ques- tion. " Oh, let him alone: if he comes to Wild Court, he is not to be permitted to pray !" The friends, on this, felt alarmed; and met on the 1st of June, when the following Resolutions were entered into; viz. " At a Meeting at the Rooms in George Yard, Little Queen Street, Lincoln's Inn Fields, on the 1st day of June, 1817, " It was Resolved, — That a glorious revival of the work of God began in November last, and continued up to the following March, in; which about 600 souls were set a liberty ; when occasion was seized, by the Preachers and Leaders, to involve Mr. Fesenmeyer as a princi- pal in a dispute which Mr. Oats had with the Trustees of Great €lueen Street Chapel, and which led to his expulsion from the Society. '* That Mr. Fesenmeyer's expulsion from the Society was ever con- sidered by the persons comprising this Meeting as having its founda- tion in an opposition to the above-mentioned revival of the work of God. '* That the Preachers of this Circuit having endeavoured to put a stop to such a work of God, and " to crush it," by appointing Trial Ser- mons to be preached in the place where' the prayer-meetings were carried on in Wild Court, and by other means j another place wa$ hired in Holborn, and subsequently the place of the present Meeting ; in both which places the Lord has been graciously pleased to con- tinue his work, up to the present day. " That the dislike of the Preachers to the revival of the work .of God among us still continues ; and the Superintendant of the Circuit has lately declared it a delusive system ; although he has held only one examination at the beginning of the revival of the work of God .; when it appeared, that out of about forty-six persons, who were so ex- amined, three only were objected to by him, as not being able to 44 giv^'a*. clear testimony of their accepfance with God ; and of those > two had mistaken the object of the examination, and never professed to Have found peace; — ■ ** That it being represented to this Meeting that several of the Preachers had called yesterday upon some of the members of the present meeting; to invite and induce them to leave the place now oc- cupied by ihtem in George Yard, and to return to Wild Court, and to ieave Mr. Fesenmeyer and all connection and brotherly intercourse ivith him in the work of God, and stating that he was not to be allowed to come to Wild Court,— " It is Resolved, — That such an invitation, made under the cir- cumstances of Mr. Fesenmeyer's Unjust expulsion from the society, is highly improper and indecorous ; and this Meeting is at a loss in what way to express their surprise and astonishment at such an at- tempt; if That & great number of the persons who had experienced the pardon of their sins in the present revival, haVe, through the negli- gence or dislike of some of the Leaders to the work itself, or from their inexperience or inability as Leaders, suffered loss, and have been left to themselves; and have backslidden from God ; and that un- less measures are immediately taken to recover them, they are in danger* of perishing for ever; and that such Leaders have testified a Sort of pleasure or triumph in the misfortunes of such unfortunate persons. ** That in order tb fulfil the Christian calling of the persons com- posing this Meeting, and to protect those^ who may be committed to their fcare by the great Head of the Church ; and that they may be enabled to do it as effectually as possible; this Meeting will, from henceforth^ consider it their duty to take the sole care of all the persons who shall be brought to a saving acquaintance with God among them, and place them Under the guidance and care of proper persons, who shall watch over them, in all respects; according to the rules of the Wesieyan Methodist Society. *'That it is nbt the intentiohof this Meeting to make any rent in the Methodist Society, by inviting any of the members already in the Society to join them ; but they do nevertheless feel themselves called hpon to use- all the means in their power to save souls, by every pos* sible way which may be open to them'; and to raise money to defray the expenses of all places that may feel disposed to carry on such work, in suchway and manner as they shall from time to time think proper; "That theycannoti and will not; accept of any invitation to go to Wild Court. *' That in order to give the best possible effect to the present mea- sures; no person that publickly exercises at the Prayer- meetings under the direction of this Meeting shall be permitted to exer- cise at any of *the meetings belonging to the Great Queen Street Society." A copy of these Resolutions was sent, to Mr. Reece, accompanied by the following L«tter : 45 10th June,. } 81 ?. ff Reverend Sir, — I am much concerned that our endeavours to call your attention to the situation of the Great Queen Street Society shpuljj have produced none other result than the Resolutions, a copy of which accompanies this. " With regard to the view which you have taken of our applica- tion to you as President of the Conference, as to its being official pr non-official, we must look to the ensuing Conference to determine it. " J am directed likewise to lay a Copy of the same Resolutions ber fore Jthe Superintendant of this circuit. -" I am, Rev. Sir, yours, very respectfully, *' John Vincent.'* Thus stood matters :— with regard to myself, expelled from the the Society ;rr—with regard to my friends who were determined to, support the work of God, they were driven, in order to protect the work itself, to separate from Great Queen Street Society ;_ — with regard to the conduct of the Preachers, the matter was travelling into Conference, in a way and manner approved of by the Presir jdetn. of the Conference. The visitation of the Classes for the June Quarter now comr mencedj and the Superintendant, furnished with a list of the names .of the persons who had "signed the Remonstrance, called upon Mr. Bradley, one of the Leaders, about half an hour before he was to meet his class, for their Society Tickets j and pulling out the list, asked him if any of those persons met in his class : he pointed out two or three, and the Superintendant immediately left him. Mr. Wood, on calling over the names in the Class paper, came t» the name of a young man, then absent, who had signed the Remon- strance : he asked for him : his father excused his absence, by saying j that he believed he was then at our prayer-meeting j and although he had met his class the preceding Sunday, the Superin- tendant struck his name out. He now came to the name of another person, who was present. ff Pray did you not sign that Remonstrance?", " Yes,l did," was the reply.—" And do you not repent of what you have done ?" ■•* By no means." — " In what was I an hindrance to the work of God?" asked Mr. Wood. " In this respect, Sir; to my own knowr iedge, several of the Charity-School children got good under Mr. Fesenmeyer ; and I requested you to place a proper person to see after them, and you neglected to do it." Mr. Wood refused him his ticket, and struck his name out of the Class paper. There is a clause in the Large Minutes of Conference which runs *hus:— " If it appears, on just grounds, to any Superintendant, that the Chairman of the District has been guilty of any crime, or that he has neglected to call the District, when there was sufficient reasons for calling it, such Superintendant shall have authority, in that case, to call a meeting of the District, and to fix the time and place fpr meet- ing, The District thus assembled shall have power, if they judge necessary, to try the Chairman ; and if found guHty, to suspend him from, being a Travelling Preacher till the ne$.t Conference j or, to 46 remove him from the office of Superintendant, or depose him from the chair, and to elect another in his place. Minutes shall be taken of their proceedings, which shall be laid before the next Con- ference." The person whose name was last struck out of the Class paper appealed to the Rev. Joseph SutclifFe, Superintendent of the Dept- ford Circuit, and gave hjm a statement of his case. Mr. SutclifFe called upon him, and said that it would cost 100/. to call the Dis- trict Meeting. " I cannot help it, Sir," was the reply, f Let Mr. Wood look to it : he should not have' broken the laws of the Methodist Society." " But," added Mr. SutclifFe, " you will in- jure yourself in your lusiness-, if you proceed in this manner \ t \ ! " The Conference, on reviewing the laws of Methodism, say — " The Members of our Societies are delivered from any appre- hension of clandestine expulsions ; as that Superintendant would be bold indeed, who would act with partiality or {.injustice in the pre- sence of the whole Meeting of Leaders. Such Superintendant, we trust, we have not among us : and if such there ever should be, we should be ready to do all possible justice to our injured brethren." If the Superintendant of a Circuit, Sir, is to trample with impunity on the laws of Methodism ; if he is to be allowed to join in party- making schemes, and to expel without -trial any member of society ; if no court of inquiry can be held on his conduct, on account of the expense attending it ; and if the President of the Conference shall himself shuffle, and decline to interfere in a business, because he is himself inimical to revivals, and because such interference must have produced, if not the expulsion of all the four Preachers from the Connection, yet a heavy and richly-deserved censure from the Con- ference j — if, in fact, all the laws of Methodism are only visionary, and not to be relied on ; — then, then, Sir, it is high time for every upright member of the Methodist Society to demand a revision and re-organization of their laws; and to place things on afooting which shall give stability to the Methodist fabric. You perceive, Sir, by the President's letter, of the 27th of May, that he urges on the consideration of Mr. Vincent, that the- Preachers acted in concert with the Leaders' Meeting, as a palliative for their conduct ; but Mr. Wood thrusts out, without the Leaders ! Whatever may be the situation of other Circuits, we have the authority of several Preachers that the London West Circuit needed a revival, a rending of the Heavens — something to awaken and arouse them to diligence. Mr. Wood, on meeting one of the Societies, stated the situation of Methodism in the Circuit to be such as to require something out of the common way to give it vigour and tone, and that a revival was much needed. Mr. Needham, on the 16th of March, I think, preached at Hinde-street : in the course of his sermon, he made some remarks on the " people called Methodists," and said, that he must really tell them all that was upon his mind; that if they did not put away from them envy, evil- speaking, and pride, and live in love, that the spirit of the Lord would be withdrawn, and that the Lord would raise up another people; and that they would haye the glory taken from 47 them, as it was withdrawn from the children of Israel j and, pointing to Jthe pulpit, he said, " Ichahod will be written on this pulpit — Ichalod on the chapel— Ichabod on your houses." Another Preacher's view of the London West Circuit is such, that, I understand, his prayer is, that he may be saved from hell, and also from the London West Circuit. To review the business : — The Trustees o£ Great Queen Street Society did what they had no right to do. I was perfectly innocent of being the life, the soul, the core of the opposition against them. The Leaders' Meeting and Preachers refused to enter into an examination of my innocence. I challenged part of the jury, on the ground that the decision of that meeting involved the interest of the Trustees in a question of right. On their refusing to allow the principle contended for, and which is' recognised at the Old Bailey on the trial of every common thief and villain, I left their Meeting. My expulsion followed. The business was put into a train for Conference ; when Mr. Wood clandestinely expelled a member who was urging the matter to Con- ference, and thus diverted the course of justice. The inference was, that this act, coupled with his calling fheDis-> trict Meeting a week earlier than usual, stamped the conduct of the Superintendant, as leading to a determination to prevent an inquiry into his proceedings. The consequence is, Sir, that, with such authorities before us, regarding the state of the London West Circuit, and in consequence of such injustice and oppression, and wanton opposition to a revival of the work of God, myself and others have determined never more to trust our characters with such Preachers and Leaders. A Jinal separation has taken place ; and we have fitted up a Chapel at the bottom of Newton Street, Holborn, capable of accommodating about 1000 persons, besides a large Sunday School ; and we are also estab- lishing Societies in other places. The Lord continues to visit us with his salvation ; and I trust that the place we have fitted up will shortly be too strait for us. ' I have no doubt, Sir, had you been so unfortunate as to meet with such treatment, that you would have acted in the same way. If the Conference shall think that I have gone too far, let them call their Secretary and the other Preachers to an acconnt. My children have a right to demand of me an explanation why I am disgraced by the Church : they claim that right ; they ask the cause ; they feel dis- . graced with me : and I will tell them, Sir, I will tell them, that my sixteen years' character in the Church of Christ remains untarnished, untouched ; that God Almighty had made use of me in the present revival of the work of God, in London — in which about 600 souls had been brought into liberty in about five months j and that this is my crime, my only delinquency. • I have the honour to be, Sir, Your Most Obedient Servant, 8tkAugustj 181 7. John Philip Fesenmeybk. i SUcpherson, Printer, RuSsel Court, Drury Lane. ■M