V » A * V > ^ S N s? "1 L lyffl^ #_ <" r " :7 - ; ^ &y$&d f &**ft**jr~- ?f 'YfJj &&&/ jfg -"' ^ ■/ ^ & // ^:^.^<*nrx%^ u lUty^^&W~ » -n/- r " 7^) " %^ /3 fo * fo*t?rt -&* — z*^ s 77^ /2&JL J&ruJv, 4i£rS &*/// ~*~/#if/ jSL" **f-a* .//&- /6-l^ <^' //&- sr*£*-^-c, J*jedicatory '. know that the defign is agreeable to their principles and interefts i and we know it is their ufual courfe : and we find that fuch men fwarm among us : we hear their words , we read their writings , we fee their practices for Popery and Infidelity. The jealoufies of many wife men in England are very great concerning the prefenc defigns of this Generation of men j and not without caufe. We fear the U\{ asked Papifls and In- fidels , more then the bare -faced , or then any enemy. The men that we are jealous of, and over whom we defire you to be Vigilant ^xt thefe Htders that purpofe- ly obfeure and cover their Religion. He that wilfully concealeth his Faith , alloweth me to fufpeft ir to be naught: Thechiefof them are, i.The Seekers that have not yet found a Church, a Miniftry , Ordi- nances, or Scripture , nor fome of them a Chrifl: to believe in. 2. The Paracelfi ns, Behrnenifts , and other Enthufiafts, that purpofely hide themlelves in felf-devifed, uncouth, cloudy terms, and pretend to vifible familiarity with fpirits. 3. The Vani^ whom God by wonders confounded in Kew England } but have here prevailed far in the dark. 4. 1 . e fecret guides of the Quakers. 5. Thofe that make it their bufinefs to argue againft the Religion of all others, but affert little of their own, endeavouring to bring all men to uncertainties , and loofe them from the faith. 6, Thofe that are ftill vilifying or under- mining the faithfull Godly Miniftry 7. Thofe that do fecretly or openly plead the caufe of Infidels .• C which are alas, too many /whether ex amrno^ or for promoting Popery, time will difclofe: ) that de- ride the Scriptures, and deny the Immortality of the Soul, the Refurreclion of the body , or that there are any Devils, or is any Hell. 8. The Libertines, that The Efijlla Dedicatory that would have liberty for all that they can call Re- ligion, though againft the certain Principles of Chri- ftianity •, and that tell us the Magiftrate hath nothing to do with mens Religion ( of which anon. ) 9. TheDemocratical Polititians, that are bu fie about the change of Government, and would bring all into confufion under pretence of the Peoples Liberty or Power, and would have the Major Part of the Sub- jects to be the Soveraign of the reft 5 that is , the vvorft, that are ftill themoft 5 and the ignorant,that cannot Rule themfelves-, and the vicious, that are enemies and hinderers of piety-,and the worldlings,that mind nothing but what is under their feet, and have no time to think of Heaven 3 they have fo much to do on earth 5 and as Attgujlim iaith , had rather there were one Star lefs in Heaven, then OneCerv lt[s in their Paflures: thefemuft be our Sovereigns. io.Thofe that under pretence of defending Prelacy , and of uniting us with Pome , do adhere to the courfe of Crotius and SantfaChra, and Unchurch all the Re- formed Churches, degrade all the Minifters that are not of their way, while they maintain the verity of the Church of Rome , and the validity of her Ordi- nation, and would have the Pope to be the Prina- pum Vniiatis to all the Church, and the Weftern Parts to obey him as their Patriarch, yea andhim- felf to be the Ruler of the whole, fo he do it by the Laws of General Councils , and deprive not infe- rior Bifhops of their Priviledges. Thefe ten forts of men we are Jealous of ; and if -ever you advance them into places of Command or Power, it will increaie our jealoufies. God knows ,1 have no perfonal grudge to any of them. But the Gofpel and the fouls of men, and the hopes of our pofterity , arenotfocontemp- ' tible The Epijlle Dedicatory. tible as to be given away as a bribe to purchafe thefe mens good will, or to flop their mouths left they mould reproach us. As it is the common, but a poor redrefs,thac after the MafTacres ofthoufands, thefur- viving Proteftants have (till had from the Papifts , vic t todifclaim the faft, or caft it upon fome ram difcontented men ( which will not make dead men alive again. ) So will it be a poor relief to us, when thefe men are our Mafters , and have deprived us of all that was dear to us in the world, thatweefcaped their ill language while the work was doing. 4. We alfo humbly befeech you, that you will go on with the purging) and encouraging of the Miniftry : Calling out the Ignorant and Ungodly •, and counte- nancing thofe that are Able, and Faithful]. They deny their eafe,and dignity and the riches of the world ( which other employments would afford ) to encoun- ter with Satan and the worlds corruptions, for the hap- pinefs of fouls \ And therefore the more oppofe them and revile them, and unthankfully requite them , the more are you obliged for the fake of Chrift, and mens falvation, to aflift them. All their enemies con- tending to furpafs the Devil in impudency, accufe them of Covetoufnefs,Idlenefs and Ambition , as if thefe were the things that they feek after in the world. If our practice feconding our profeffion, be not enough to confute thefe calumnies of malignant men, let this be added to confute them, that we make it our earnefl requeft to your Highnefs, that all fuch Ambitious, Idle, Covetous, or otherwife fcandalous Minifters may be caft out. You have Commiflioners in every Coun- ty for this work : Require them to do it faithfully : If wedefired this much againft our Reproachers, they would fay we perfecuted them : We defire you there- (b) fore The Epijlle Dedicatory. fore but to turn this perfecution againft our felves. We alfo defire you, that you will not advance us to Tem- poral Honours, or Dignities, or Power •, nor make us Lord Bifhops , nor to abound with the riches of this world; Thefe things agree not with our cal- ing: We only defire food,and rayment,and necelTa- ries to fumifli us for our work , and exprefs fome charity to the needy that daily expect it from us^and we crave ofyou that we may be no richer. We alfo defire y oUjtiever to put the fword into our hands, nor enable us to execute any of our private paffions upon any ? nor yet to touch mens Bodies or Eftates-, but only to manage the word and Key es of the Kingdom of Chrift upon mens Confciences,and Guide his Church accord- ing to our office, and let it prevail as God mall blefs it. This is all the advancement we defire. We have doubly renounced all the world, as chriflians^ and as Miniftersoi Chrift ; we have given up our felves to a difficult fleuVdifpleafing work: we crave no more of you but fo far tocountenance us asChrift commanded* you,and the good of our peoples fouls requires. And Godwill be judge between us and our malitious re- proachers, whether thefe requefts are Covetous, Am- bitious, or Unreafonable. 5. Wc alfo humbly crave your aidjfor the procuring and maintaining an Union and Concord among all the Paftors and Churches in your Dominion. All that fear God are Agreed in the main: and they have a fpecial Love to one another h and thefe are good preparatives to their fuller reconcilement. Iknow that there is rro fueh diftance in their principles, but that they may in blefied Concord carry on the work of God : Our poor people need this, that are offended at our fmalleft di- ftanecsv All our ftrength united is too little to bear down The Epijlle Dedicatory. down the oppositions of Hell and Earth that we muft daily encounter in our work. Your help may do much ro procure our Concord, of which I ihall prefume to fay more to you in another addrefs.- 6. Laftly we befeech you that Toleration may be //- m'.ttd by Execution as well as by Law $ And therefore that as the Approved Mini fen mud have an Instrument of Approbation , and mull be refponfible before the Co mmiffi oners of ejection, for any thing that forfeit- ed! it •, fo the Tolerated may be trjed according to your Laws of Toleration, and may have an Inflrttment for their Toleration) before they have Liberty publikely to propagate their Opinions to others : and that they may be as refponfible before the Commidioners for ejection as we. And that publikely nor privately Papifts , nor Infidels, nor any that deny the eflentials of the faith may not be fuffered to feduce the people. If any think that this is defired by us 5 becaufe we fear the power of truth,or would deprive them of any juft freedom of de- bate, I pi ovoke them folidly to anfwer what is here faid in the following Difpute •, and we diffwade not your Highnefs if you were in any doubt ( which we do' not imagine )of the truth of the Chriftian or Reformed Do- ctrine, to invite us to an equal Difputation, and try whether we (hall not open the (liame of Infidelity and Popery ( the two great evils that threaten this land) at any time. But if you are refolved of the wickednefs of both thefe wayes, we have reafon to expert that you fufFer not the poyfon to be adminiftred to your people. Give not leave to every feducer to do his word: to damn mens fouls 5 When you will not tolerate every Traytor to draw yourArmies or people intoRebellion- nor to every wicked man to folicite others to whore- dom , murder, theft or deceit. And verily if men have (b 1 ) le,ve The Efiftle'Dedicatory* leave to preach againft the Scripture, Churches, Mini- ftry,Ordinances, yea and againft the life to come under the name of Seekers, Quakers or fuch other Seels, we had far rather that they had leave to pull offthcir vi- zor, and do it openly in the namcoi Papifts.Yot as Fa- piftxhey will difown abundance of the abominati- ons,whictuJ Seekers, &c .they propagate on defign.And as plain dealing in Religion is better then jugling, fo we had rather that open quiet Papifts were tolerated, then thefe jugling deceivers. They that pretend to know the Jemitesand Fryars, do profefs that they are more common in Princes Councils and Families, and in the houfes, if not the clofets of Noble men , Com- manders, and perfons of publick truftor fervice, then wethatlive and mean fimply do imagine. And who would have thought that had not know it, that they had fo infinuated into the feveral feels among us , and that they were fo induftrious in their work,as the New caftlc Scottiih Jew was , to be circumcifed or be- come Jew, and then rebaptized , drc and all tode- cieve i Judge I befeech you by thefe three Reafons, how far their feduftion is to be tolerated, i .That they preach Treafon againft Princes and States , I have (hewed un- denyably , is parr, and a principal part of their Reli- gion. 2 _. Their doctrine cerrupteth almojl all MoraliipWhu need we fuller clearer proof, then the fanfenian hath given us in his My fterie offefuitifm t and much more may be added. Morton hath long ago produced enough to tell us what to expect from fuch men .• Apolog, Part. i./.2.f.i $> As from To Set himfelf/.4.*/ 327.be citeth the fame Author maintaining thac Murder, and Blafphemy in a paflion and not deliberate is no mortal (in,unlefs in one that is ufed to Blafpheme. And p. 329. how Bcllarm. Ceftcrus, Valentin maintain that Fornication in a Pried is better, or a fmalier fin then to marry. The like he (hews of their doctrine of Theft, Falfewitnefs, &c.p. 331, 333, &c. Thisfrom him. 3. But above all their other mifchiefs^the Propagating of lnfidclityhy them is the greateft : Which they do in two waves. 1 . Under the Vi\ard of Infidels and Seekers they plead againft Scripture and Chriftianity, inde- fign to loofen men from alt Religion, and perfwade them that they muft needs be Infidels or Papifts.- Veron and his followers have given them full Directions to manage this defign. And while, with debauched Con- fciences) they thus perfwade men to be Infidels in jeft, they have made abundance fuch in good fadnefs:fo that upon my knowledge there are many fuch fwarm among us , that fometime feemed pious perfons, that plead againft Chrift anity it felf. 7, And no wonder, when fome of the leading Papifts do feem to be Cbriflians in jeft, and Infidels in good fadnefs tbemf elves. I (hail inftance now but in their Champion, Tho. White, who in his Euclid. MetapbyfStoecb. K. p r i$ m rmintaineth that in a manner , or almoft all incorporated funis jhall be favedby the world as the Inftrument, or clfethe world were (b3) fob- The Epijile "Dedicatory fubfiantially evil, anh ihe fouls that fail of Bleffednefs^non fint fuffcient is ad partem eonfiderabilem totius muhitudi- nti covftituendamMe that believeth this ,c.innot believe Chrift > nor well perfwade men to believe in (Thrift. Thfs happv news to the Pagans and Mahometans > mi^ht iomewhatuifright the Chiiftians being the few- eft, left they mould be that inconfider able number , but that be that talks of the damnation oi fo few, its like by his Arguments believeth it of none.The fame heaflerts in his Treatifeof the middle flate of fouls, Rat. 5. p.41. And Rat* 10. hedifputethagainft Vindictive fufiice as a thing not becoming God: and p. 88. denyeth that fm- ner injure God, iov tooth becaufehe (uffereth it willingly. Pag. 9 5 {Tranflat. ) he faith that fouls are exempt from allfuch pains as may be caufed by any outward agent-. And tag. in. That God Governeth not " the world as a Monarch, but' as an Engineer •, And pag. 134. he faith f the punifhment of fin whether external or internal, is no- thing elfe but theincreafe and exaggeration of fins in thofe who are perverfe , and the decreafe and diminution of them in thofe who amend ] And pag. 90. that [ the de- fed! of Gods honour occafioned by Peter , was not fup- pljed and repaired by any other) and fonotby Chrift. ; And pag, 146. [ that Gods aim is alwajes the utmofl good of every creature ] And he oft enough telsus that God attaineth all his will. And is this man a Papift '. or are Papifts in good fadnefs } that tell the world that none but the fubje&s of the Pope can be faved i and yet now the number that perim will be incon- fiderable 5 and God aimeth at the utmoft Good of every creature. Sure he thinks that all the Toads muft be made men; and all men made Angels •, and every ftar muft be made a Sun ! I (hall pafs by the Books that are written againft the Creatiott,md again ft. Scripture* The Epifile ^Dedicatory. Scripture , and again ft Hell , fac. which fwarm among us ♦, only advifing your Highnefs to take heed that you venture not upon any worldly mo- tives , to (land guilty before the living God of al- lowing or tolerating fuch Books to be publifhed , and fuch do&rines as thefe to be preached to your People, to the everlafting undoing of their precious fouls. If you ask who it is that prefumetb thus to he pur L?vlomtor * It is one that ferveth fo great a Mailer that he thinks it no unwarrantable prefumption , in fuch a cafe to be faithfully plain with the greateft Prince. It is one that (lands fo neer Eternity, where L tof all the fenfes of all the found men in the world ( it being about the cbjeel of ferfe ) then we are pafl hope of ending contrtvttfus : And there- fore 04 we will not waffle our time with every ft How that will difpute with us that Snow is bl.uk , or the Fire cold, no more will we trouble our (elves with tbefe men that tell us that Bread is not bread,and Wine is not wine. And if you would know the Reafons of the confidence of the Papijls, I knew no, more of them but what their Wri- tings and fpeeches do exprefs, and thofe I have hereafter given you. Two things they are jl: 11 harping on: the fir ft # > that in our way we have no aflfu ranee that the Chri- ftian Religion is true, or that Scripture is the word of God. Save me the labour of repetitions, and read but what J have witten in the Preface to the fecond Part of the Saints Reft, Edit 2.&C.) where I give you the Refolution of our faith,andinmy Safe Religion^ Difp. 3. and then believe them if thou can ft. Their fecond it, that thred-b.ire J2ueftion[ Where was your Church before Luiheri Where hath it been fuc- cefsively in each age ? ] And here meer Sopbiflry carry* eth it through the Papal world, to the deluding of the ftmple that will be catcht with chaff e, and are not able to fee things 'or Names. 1 have dealt with fome of them that harped in this firing, and never met with any thing from them *bat fhouldfeem confiderabh to a difcerning man>fave only 'he two unanfwerable arguments of Coi\Rdence(tbat 1 fay not Impudence ) and Loquacity. 1 hough ih&vi mora fully The Preface. fully flamed this gueftipn in this Bofik^I will berealfo give you at the entrance, a (hort view tf the safe. The men that ask us, where our Church and Religion was y either know not {through ignorance) or will not let others know ( through wickedness ) what our Church and Reli- gion is. C Shew us ( fay they ) a Church in all ages that held the thirty nine Articles, or that held all that the Proteftants hold, or elfe they were not Proteftants i ] Forfootb, we mufi receive from them a Definition of a Pro- t eft ant t and then we mufi prove the fuccefsion of fuch.Know therefore before you dilute about the fuccefsion, what is the thing whofe fuccefsion is qucflioned. \_ A Protectant is a Chriftian that holdeth to the holy Scriptures as the fufficient Rule of faith and holy living, and protefteth againft Popery. ~\ 7 he Proteflant Churches are Societies frcfefnng the Proteftants Religion. [The proteftant Re- ligion ] is an improper fpeech Jut L the Proteftants Re- ligion lis a phrafe that weftullown. For [ Proteftancy ] u not our Religion it felf, but the Rejection of Poptfh cor- ruptions of Religions or defiling Additions, if my Reje- ctions of ether mens Additions be themselves Additions, then is it in the power of any Heretick in the world to force me to Add to my Religion at his Pleafure. A thoufand new Articles & Forms efWorfhip he ma) devife, and then mufi I add to my Religion by rejclfingthimall t even as I add to my Apple by wiping the dirt of it , or to my deaths, by bru firing them. The Proteflants Religion is os/ly the Chriftiin Religion the naked Chriftian Religion alone: They Confefsioy.s cf men as pretended to be the Rule or Law of their Religion. The Proteftants Religion is the Holy Scriptures alone ] The Papifts Religion ts ail that is decreed by the Pope and Coun- cils. Our Religion containtd in the Scotpture h.t'h its F.f- (cz ) fentials The Preface. fentials and Integrals. All the Effentials an d as much of the Integrals as (in the uje of means) we are able to under- ft and \we believe particularly and explicit tly. the reft rve believe generally and implicit ely to be all true. So that as the Paprfts will not give us leave to tike the writings of Gre.fer, Bellarmine or any of ( their Doctors, yea the Articles of their Divines at Thoren, Racisbone,&c. to be therefore Articles of their faith, but only thefe th.it are contained in General Councils approved by the Pope-, fo we require the fame juflice ef them that they call Nothing the Articles of our Faith, but rvhat is contained in the Holy Scripture, which is the only Rule of our Religion. Do they know our Religion better then we do f this is our Religion, and this weftandto. Well ! Confider now whether any thing be e after then for a Proteftant tofhewyouavifible Church that hath fnuef- ftvely been of his Religion. i. The Chriflian Religion hath been in all ages ft nee Chrtft in vifible Societies : The Religion of P rot eft ants is the Chriflian Religion: therefore the Religion of Prote* flants hath been in all age> ftme Chrift in vifible Societies. 2. That Religion which is contained in the Holy Scrip- ture as its Rule orfuffieient Revelation>bath beenprofefjed in. all ages in vifible Churches. Rut the Religion of Prote- ctants is contained in the Holy Scriptures as its Rule orfuf- ftcient Revelation : therefore the Religion ofProteflants hath been profiled in all ages in vifible Churches. We name the Societies from the. places of their reftdence : Our Church ( as Auguftine tils the Donatifts ) begun at Hierufalem, and thence was difperjed into Afia, Africa and Europe^ hath continued in Sym,JEth\oip'n^Mgy^, India, Greece, &c. If I could name but one Nation that had been of my Religion, I fhould fufpecJ it were not the true Religion. It is the Chriflian world that is in/lead of a Catalogue to u<$. O The Preface. O but, faythe$uglers> This is a General anfwer,to fay you are Chriftians : there are more forts of Chri- ftians then One. J Reply 5 // is the General or Cat ho- lick that we are fpsaking off; and therefore if it were not fuch a General anfwer t it were not pertinent to the gue- Jtion : There are no wore forts of chriftians but One 5 that is j there is no Effential difference among them-, hut there is a gradual, integral and modal difference. But may not Chriftians of fcveral Degrees of Knowledge he in the fame Catholick church? Our qneftionis not, [where any Seel, or any particular Church hath had its Jttcccfsion .-] hut [where that Catholic^ Church hath been , of which we are members. ~\ And furely drift hath but One Ca- tholick Church. but, fay they, would you make men believe that Ethiopians, Armenians , Greeks, &c. are Proteftants? you may be afhamed of fo grofs a fidion. 1 an fiver , Is it the Name of Proteftants, or their Religion, that yen would have w prove a fuccefsion of? Thefe deceivers cheat abundance of poor louts by this one device, even fuppoftng that the word £Proteftant] doth denominate our Church from its Ejjential p.,rts , and fo call for a Catalogue of Proteftants. But I would ask them, whether we or they do better know our Religion? and con- sequently what a Proteftant Ui if they know it at all , it is from our writings or exprefsions ; For jure they will not pretend without figns to knov our hearts , and that better then our f elves. Ton mufl take it from as, if you will know what cur Religion is, as we mu(t take it from you, if wc will know yours. And therefore delude not filly fouls by per {wading them that you know what our Religion is better then we. if you will believe our Bocks that tell yen, believe our fayings atfo } and believe me that here tell ycu my own Religion. \_A Proteftant is a Chi fi an that (c 3) pro- The Preface. protefleth againfl Popery^ Chriftianity is our Religion: Protefting againft Popery u our Negation or Rejection of your Corruptions of Religion. OMen that never beard of the name of Papift or Pretejlants, may be of the fame Religion with us. if many Nations of the world never received Popery , and we reject H\ if they never knew it, and we know it anddifown it, are we not both of one Re- ligion, even in the Integrals i One man never heard of the Leprofte ; another catcheth it and is cured of it •, and a third flyeth from it and preventeth it $ \yind I think allthefe are truly men •, yea and (in tantum) found men. When you call to us for a proof of our fuccefsion, either you mean it, of the Efjentials of our Religion and Church, or of the Negation of your Corruptions : Either you mean it of }he points that we are Agreed in, or of thofe we d f- fer in : Chriftianity is it that we are Agreed in $ and that is our Religion, and nothing but that : Proteflancy as juch, is but our wiping off the dirt, or curing the f cab that you have brought upon our Religion, Is he not a man as well as you that will not tumble with you in the dirt, or come into your Pcflhoufc ? If we know not our own Re- ligion, then we cannot tell it your, and then you cannot know it : Kyind if we do know it . believe us when we prof efs our own Belief : We fill profefs before men and Angels, that we own no Reltgion but the Chriftian Refc aion, nor any Church but the Chrifian Church, nor dre^m of any Catholick Church but one , containing all the true Chriflians in the world, united in fefus Chrifl the Head. We vrotefl before men and Angels that it is the Holy Scri- ptures that are the Liw and Rule and Tefl of our Reli- gion ; And why are we nut to be Believed in this our own Profefs ion, as well as yon are in yours, when you make the Decrees of Popes and Council s to be your Law and Rule and Tefls ? We The Praface. We perform therefore more then you demand. Teu ask us Where was our Church before Luther ? And we answer , Where our Religion was, Tou ask us - t Where was that? and we tell you Where evtr the Chriftian Religion was , and the Holy Scriptures were received. This were enough for us in an fiver to your ^ueflion i But we do more : We tell you not only where our Church and Religion was, hut where there were men that owned not your grand Corruptions^ no more then we : What can you demand more of us , when you call for a fuccefsion of Trotefiants , then that we tell you of a fuccefsion of Chnftians (which are of our Religion) a nd which were no Papifts, yea againfi Popery , (which therefore were of our integrity) And who knoweth not that the fore fad Abaffines, Armenians, Egyptians, Greeks, &c. are againfi your Papal Soveraignty, Infallibility, and all that is by us renounced as Ejjential to Popery ? O but, fay thefuglcrs, thefe are not ProteOants 5 they differ from you in many paiticulars.] / anfwer, Call them by what name fou pleafe $ they are not only ChriftianS, but alfo Anti- papifts, or free from ropery, and then they are of our Religion and Church. But in- deed \ mufl the world be made believe that all that we Be- lieve is efTential to our Relig ; on, and that m man that dijftre'h from us can be of otm Religion, be the difference never fo [mall f But fay they, tell us of a Church that profeffes your 39 Articles. Silly deceivers J Po not thofe very Articles profefs that [The Holy Sciipturecontaineth all things neceflary to falvation , fo that whatever is not read therein, nor maybe proved thereby, is not to be re- quired of any man that it fhould be believed as an Article of the Faith, or be thought requ.fite or ne- ceflfary to Salvation. ~] Arc. 6. We never took thefe Articles 8 The Preface. Articles in fit ad of the Scripture , but the Articles and all Proteflants profefs the scripture to be the only Rule And Tefl of their Faith and Religion. The fubftance of the 39 Articles may eafily be proved to have been fucceffively held by the Church from the beginning •, but it is not incumbent on us to prove that every word in the writings of every Divine, or Church, hath been fo continued; no more then you will own the writings of any Divines or Prt- vincial Synods of your $wn^ as being the Rule of your Faith, As you profefs that the Decrees of Popes and general Coun- cil* approved by him, beftdes the Scriptures, are the Rule and Tefl of your Religion •, fo do we profefs that the Scriptures alone (with the Law of Nature) is the Rule of ours. But,what (fay they) will you be of the fame Church with Nefiorians, Eutichians, and other Hereticks < I Anfw. 1. We will not take 4///^ Nefiorians, or Euti- chians, that a railer can call fucb > that never knew them t nor can prove it. 2. Hereticks indeed that deny any effential part of Chriflianity, are no Cbriflians, anh there- fore none of the Church that we are of : but if you will call thofe Hereticks that have all the effentials ef Chri- flianity , becaufe they err in leffer points, we know that there are fuchinthe Catholick church : We will be none of them onr f elves, if we can efcape it ( yet indeed have no hope of efcaping all error till we are perfect in know- ledge : ) But we will not run out of the family of God, becaufe there are children and fick perfons in it : Nor will we for fake the Catholick Church becaufe there are erring perfons in it. O but, faith the Papijl, We acknowledge not your diftinction of points EiTential and not ElTential 5 all points of Faith are EiTential with us, and of neceffity to Salvation. ] Anfw. Reader , thou [halt fee here (uch impudent The Preface. impudent and faithlefsjugling, as may make thee blufhto think that Chrifiianity bath fuch profffors. i . The Out- fide of their affertion damnethnelefs then all the tvdJld ( that live to the ufe of Reafon ) 2 . The In fide of their de- ceitful meaning is almoft clean contrary , and leavcth heathens and Infidels in the Church, or in a ft ate offal- vat ion as well as Chriflians. 3. It leave th no one Article of faith (fjential to a Chriflianjr to one that jball he faved; and leaveth the Church an Invifble things clean contrary to their own afjertionsofits Vifibility,^. lisind when they have thus wrangled them f elves into a wood of contradict- ons and Unchriflian abfur Cities, the wife ft of them fay as we fay y in the main point. All this I will now manifefl to thee, 1, The Out- fide of their affertion is that Every point that we are bound to be live by a Divine faith 3 is funda- mental, or effential to Chriflian faith , or of necefsity to falvation. And if fo, then no man breathing can he [a- ved : For no man knoweth all that he is bound to know. And no man belie veth that which he underflandetb not : It is impofsible to believe thatfuch a Proportion is a truth diftinctly and actually , when I under fiand not what the Proportion is. And that we all knew bntinpart y even what we are obliged to know, no man will deny, but he that is mad by pride or faction : All that God hath revealed in his wordjsthe matterof our faith : There is no man can fay, I have no culpable ignorance of any one Truth of God that lfhould believe. Had we been more perfect in our diligent ft udies, and prayers, and ufe of all means- and had we never fmfully grieved the fpirit that (hould illu- minate us, ( to [ay nothing of our Original finfull dark- nefs ) there is not one of us but might have known more then we do. if fin of the will and life be confident with true faith, then fomefin in* the under ft anding is confident with faith. But the former is true : therefore ', dec. But (d) according io The Preface. according to the out -fide of their doclrine^ no man that hath any (in full ignorance (and confeqttently unbehef) in his utder (landing can be faved • that ts, no man in the world, if he that thinks he knoweth an) thing, knorveth nothing as he ought to know, 1 Cor. 8. 2. what fhall be (aid ef thffemen, that think they and all the Church do know all things that they ought to know, and that their understand- ings have no (in f And mu(l we needs be of that faith that damneth all men y and of that church where none are faved f 2. As the Out -fide of their Affertions is made for a bug-bear to frighten foots, fo that the In-fide ( as expound- ed by many of them ) is that Heathens and Infidels may be of their Church or faved^ and that nothing of the Chri- an faith at all is nectary to falvation , /'; plain : For they tell us that they mean , that all points are of necej- fity, where they are Sufficiently propofed, and mens ignorance is not invincible 5 but where there is no fufficient propofal , but mens ignorance is invincible , or fuch as comes not from a wilfull neglecl of means , there no ignorance of the articles of faith is damnable, and fo no article ab" folutely nectffary : fo that the que/Hon indeed is not Whe- ther men believe or not? but Whether they are Unbelievers or Heathens or ignorant perfons^ by a willfull neglect of Sufficiently propofed Truth jr not f So that all that part of the Heathen or lnfidell world ( how great ) that have no fuch propofals oftheGofpel^may not only be faved , but be better and fafer then mo ft Chriftians (if not all) who certainly are finfully ignorant of fome truth which they ought to know. Obj. But (fay they) it will not ftanci with faith to deny belief to God in any thing , fufficiently re- vealed '. for he that beiieveth him in one thing, belie- veth him in all. ] Anfw. The Preface. u A n fw. Very true > if they know it to be the Word of God. And if this bealljbe Protefiants are ready to averreufon their mofl folemn oaths , that they believe every thin? withcut except ion which they know to be a Divine Re- velation : and no wonder > for jo doth every man that believes that there is a God and that he is no lyar. If this will ferveyour turn , yon have no more to fay again ft us • your months are fhpt. But may it not (land with faith to be ignorant , and that through finfull neglect ^ of fome revealed truth of God, or of the meaning of his word r If you are fo proud as to think that all the juftified are per- fect and have no fin , yet at leafl confider whether a man that liveth in Heathenifm till f our f core years of age, and then turns Chrifii an , is not afterward ignorant through his former finfull negligence ? But dare you fay that you have no finfull ignorance to bewail f Will you con- fifs none, nor beg pardon, nor be beholden to Chrifl to par- don it? That they make no point of faith neceffary , while they fe em to make all nectfjaty , fee but what I have after cited from Franf. a S.Clara probl. 15,16, ij.andabun* dance more that are mentioned there by him. 3. And that by this Protean jugling, they make the Church invifible, is apparent. For what man breathing hnoweth the fecrets of the fouls of others , whether tkey have refilled or not refilled the light < and whether they are ignorant of the articles of faith upon finfull contempt, er for want of fome due means of faith, or internal capa- city , or opportunity ? We are as fure that all men are ig- norant of fome thing that God hath revealed to be known ( in nature and Scripture ) as that they are men : But now whether any one ofthefe men be free from thofe aggravati- ons of his ignorance {and that in every point ) upon which the Papifis make him an unbeliever, is unknown to others: {di) When •■■1 li The Preface. When the Faith or Infidelity of men, and fo their being in the church or out of it, mufl not be known by the Matter of Faith which they prof cfs, but by the fecret phages of th*eir marts > their wilhngnefs or unwillingnefs, refinance or not refiftance, and fuch like , the Church then is invifible y no man can [ay which is it , nor who is of it : He that profejjcth not the Faith, may be a Catbolick; and be that prof effeth it, for ought they'know^may be an Infidel, as being ftnfu/ly yet ignorant offome one truth that is not in his exprefs confefsi- on\thnt by confufion the builders of Babel marre their work* 4. And that the wifefi of them, fay in the main as we fay, fee herein fome proofs. Bellarm. de Vcrbo Dei, lib. 4. cap. 11. U n theChriftian Doctrine both of Faith and Manners, fome things are (imply necelTary to fal- vation to all 5 as the Knowledge of the Articles of the Apoftles Creed, of the ten Commandements, and of fome Sacraments ; The reft are not fo neceffary, th3t a man cannot be faved without the explicite Knowledge, belief and profeflion of them Thefe things that are (imply neceffary and are profitable toall, the Apo- ftles preached to all AH things are Written by the Apoftles which are Neceffary to all, and which they openly preacht to all] fee the place, CofterusEchirid. c. 1 . p. 49. Non infieiamur prae- cipua ilia fidei capita quae omnibus Chriftianis cognitu funt ad falutem Neceffaria , perfpicue fatis effe Apo- ilolicis fcriptis comprehenfa j That is $ We deny not that -thole Chief Heads of the Faith which are to all Chriftians neceffary to be known to falvation , are perfpicuoufly enough comprehended in the Writings of the Apoftles. ] Judge by thefe two (to /pare the trou- ble of citing more) whether they be not forced after all their Cavils 3 to fay as we, in difltnguifhing of /lr tides of Faith, \jind\ tkey cannot be ignorant, that the Church . bath The Preface. bath fiill had Forms of Trofejsion, which were called her Symbols, as being the Badge of her ^Members 5 and did not fufpend all upon uncertain conjedures about the frame and temper of the Profeffors minds. But if indeed it be not the want of Neceffary Articles ef Faith that they accufe us of, but the want of wiUingnefs or diligence to know the truth, let them prove their accufati* onsy and letthefe per fons that they prove guilty bear the blame. Do they think we would not as willingly know the truth as they f and that we do not pray as earneflly for Divine illumination ? Do we net read their Books ? (/ verily think incomparably more then they do ours,) and are we not willing to confer with the wife ft of them that can inform us f J have often privately and public kly de- fired you that if any of them can [ay more then all thefe Schoolmen, Frjars and fefuites fay, which I have ready they would let me hear it, that 1 may w^nt no means they can afford me for my fuller information. But yet they have not done with us, When we prove a fuccefion of our Religion, by proving a fuccefsion of fuch as adheredto the Scriptures, which are the Doclrine of our Religion {an Argument that no Papifl under heaven an confute,) they vainly tell us, that All Herericks pretend to Scripture, and therefore that will not prove the point. But i . Doth it follow that Scripture is not a fufficient Rule of our Religion, becaufe Herettcks may pretend to it* Tou take the 39 Articles for our Religion , and yet may Bereticks that are far from our minds , pretend to them. It's thelikerto be the Rule becaufe ail Herettcks pretend it, and would borrow credit from it to their Hereftes, The Law ef the Land is the Rule of onr faftice •, and yet Lawyers and their Clients tha^are contrary to each other, do plead it for their contrary Caufcs. The Creed it [elf is pretended by Arrhns for their Hen fit \ What mufl wt {J 3) bdve The Preface. hive no Rule erTeflor difcovery of our Religion which a Here tick c«n pretend for his impiety. What words of Cod or man Art m>t capable of being miftnterprcted ? if we fhould give you every day a confefsion of Faith, fome He- rettcks mi^ht pretend to hold the fame : No wonder then if 1 hey do (0 by the Scriptures. 2. And can any Learned Papifls be [0 ignorant, as not to know that the Arrians pretended the Authority of Ge- neral Conncils f and fo do many other Heretic ks ^ and that the Authority of Pope and Councils are frequently pre- tended for contrary opinions among them , and may be pretended by many an Heretick ? And will they therefore grant that the Decrees of Popes and Councils are no juf- fcient difcovery of their Faith ? IfHereticks pretendingto your Teft of Faith, difprovenotthatto be your Faith, then Hereticks pretendingto our Rule and Jefl of Faith [which is the Holy Scripture ) is no proof that it is not our Rule of Faith, s I do therefore conclude, that the Proof of a Succefsion of C fuch Churches as have received the Holy Scriptures, is 4 / valid proof of a fuccefsion of Churches of our Religion, ^ feeing we have no Religion (doclrinally) but the Holy / Scriptures. And this as far as modefly will permit, I L challenge all the tfefuiteson Earth to confute with any v / folid Reafons : yet adding that we do ex fuperabundanti ^ prove a fuccefsion alfo of Churches that never owned Popery, /* even the greatejl part of the Chrijlian world. But let the[e {- men themfelves but prove to us a fuccefsion of their I Church, even fuch as they require of us 5 Let them prove L that from the Apoftles days theCatholick Church{or any one , Congregation of twenty men) did hold all that now their C Councils and Popes have Decreed, and are efleemed Ar- ticles of their Faith, and I am contented to be their bond- (^ flavefor ever, or to bear a fagot , or be ufed by them as cruelly The Preface. cruelly as their malice can invent , or fames or their Jlrappados execute. Let my Head he at their Mercy if they can but prove that Succefsion of Popery, at they require m to do of Proteftancy, or as I have produced of our Churches and Religion. In the 15 th and i6 h Detetlion 1 have more largely fpoken to them of this point, to rvhich I refer the Reader. In the very principal point o/cheir Papal Soveraignty, they have nothing hut this grofs deceit to cheat the world with : The Roman Emperors d.vers ages after Chrift, did give the Btfl)op of Rome a Primacy in their Empire, and hence thefe men would perfwade us, that even from Chr ft they have had a Soveraignty overall the chriflta;) world. Wink hut at thefe fmall mi flakes, and they have won the Caufe : 1. Suppefe but Chrijls Inflitution to (land in fteadof the Emperors. 2. Suppofc divers hundred years after Chrijl , to have been in the ^4poflles days. 3 . Sup- pose Vrimacy to be Soveraignty or Vniverfal Government. 4. But ([pea ally grant them, that the Roman Empire was all the chriflian world -, and then they have made good that part of their Caufe. That there were many Nations without the reach of the Ro "nan Empire, that had received the Chriflian Fatth, is pa ft doubt. Socrates lib. 1 . c. 1 5 . faith that Tboptas chofe Parthi a, Bartholomew chofe India ^Matthew Ethiopia , to plant the Gofpel in 5 but the middle India was not converted till Ccnflantines days,by Frumcniius and Ede- fius>, and Iberia by a Maid.] So Eufeb.l. 3. c. 3. tells us of Thomas his Preaching to the Parthi.ins^ and An* drtw to the Scythians, ,] Et in vit. Conft. I. 4. c. 8. that there were many Churches in Perfia, & cap. 91. how Con/iantine wrote for them to the King.] Godignus and others of them maintain that the Abaffines did re- ceive the Gofpel f torn the beginning. BefiAes Scotland. and 1 6 The Preface. and man j other Countries that were not under the Roman V owcr. And none of thefe were Governed by the Pope. The je three Arguments again ft the Papal Caufe, I [hail here premife to more that follow. I. If all that.part of the Chriftian world that. was out of the reach of the Roman Empire, did never jubmit to the Soveraignty of the Pope, then hath he not been juc- cefsivelj (or at any time) the atfual Head of the V river* fal Church: But the Antecedent it wofl certain : there' fore fo is the Confequent, How an old woman , the Emperors Mother of Habaflia, did baffle their fefuites, by asking them Q How it came to pajs, if obedience to the Pope be neceffary to falvation, that they never had heard from him till now ? ] / have told you after from them f elves. If Primacy were Soveraignty, and Emperors and Coun- cils were Gods , yet the Indians, Abaflines, Perfians, and many more in the E aft r and the Scots, and Irifh , and Danes, 4»^Sweeds 3 and Poles, and Mufcovites, and mo ft of Germany in the We (I and North, Jhouldbe no fub- jecJs of the Pope. 2. If the Rule and Te ft of the Faith of Papifts never had a Real Beings or no fuccefsion from the Apo flies, then their Faith and Church hath either no Real Beings or no fuch Succefsion : But the Antecedent is true : as I prove % It is either General Councils, or Popes, or the Church E(fcntial(as they ufe to€aHit y tbat is, the Whole Body) that is the Rule of their Faith, If it be General Councils \ I . They had no being from the ^pe files till the Council of Nice 5 therefore the Rule of the Papifts Faith was then unborn, 2 . Tea they never had a being in the world : There was ne~ *ver any thing like a General Council fince the days of the Apoflles to this day* The fir ft at Nice had none , ( favc one John^/Perfia, who its like was fome ferfecuted Bifhop The Contents. 17 Bifhffp that waffled, or if one or two more its not material) , but the Bifhops of the Empire, and out of the Weflern parts fo few as was next to none : The following Councils , as Confhntinop. 1. &c. were only out of one piece of the Empire : The Council of Trent Idifdain to reckon among the modefler pretenders to an Vniverfality. 2. And if it be not General councils, but the Pope that is the Rule tf their Faith $ then, 1 . Their Faith hath been interrupted, ye a and turned to Here fie and to Infidelity when the Tope hathfo turned. 2. And why then do they tell our people , that they take not the Pope for the Rule of their Faith ? 3. If it be the Major part of the Vniverfal Church, 1. It's known that two to one are again fl them^, or at leafl the Greater part : therefore by that Rule their Faith in the Papal Soveraignty is falfe, 2 . And yet it would be hard, if a man muft be of no Belief, till he have brought the world to the pole for it 1 Argum. 3. // all the flir that the Papiftsmakeinthe world for the Papal Government be but to rob Chriftian Princes and C^tagi prates of their Power , then are they but a f editions Stfi : But the Antecedent is apparent : For theft are but two forts of Government in the church: Tht one is by the Word apply ed unto the Confcience , which wrketh only on the willing 5 either by General exhorta- tions as in Preaching \ or by perfonal application , as in Sacraments, Excommunication and Absolution : And this is the work of 'the prefent Paflors, and cannot be performed bj the Pope : Nor would he be content with this, to govern Volunteers, The other is by Commands , that fhall be feconded with force : And this is proper to the Magi fir at e. But if they will be deluded to give up their Crowns and Scepters to the Pope , let them (land as the objecls of th\ compafsion of Spectators. (e) 'ri of ' l "Jcrd. ult ■: a h f VO Hch(a(cdto trankat c fomepart of them person whofj eminent Godli- J . -' > r. J[ nefb and Learning occifioneth ^r /»J #/f , /4« imboldemd tO A COnpdenCC^ the loirow of his . Countrey, ^ f the t wo famous Confutations of the vreat that W deprived of hinijiniucn. J J % 6 . d7>s a, thefe when Piety isfo Perron, wdl [land to the perpitualfhame of - much cfteemed. Popery which none of them will be ever able to Reply to , without as great a di (honour to. their Caufe as will follow their not daring to Reply : 1 'mean , Blondell's Book De Primatu in Ecclefia {which overwhelms them utterly with the witnefs of Antiquity) & Pet. M61Ina;us de Novitate Papifmi {whtch I hope his Reverend Son of his name may live to help us to in Englifli.) But if Any of the Romanifts^d* dare not meddle with thofe Cham- pons^ nor dafh ihemf elves upon thofe Pillars, jh&ll yet vouchfafe an Anfwer to this Jmaller work^I do hereby afjure htm, that if he will do > it foberly 5 in the fear of Cod, in a way of clofe and f olid Arguing , he will perform a task that will be very accept able to me. But niblers, fnArlers y : wilier s^ and fenfelefs frAters I fhAll contemn. 'Richard 'Baxter* mmmwmwmmmm The Contents, C**Hap. i . Popery no way to Vnity^ page i . J Chap. 2. Directions for them that will deal with a Papift, p. 5 . Chap. 3. Argum. 1. A gain ft Popery, by which every honeji godly wants fc cured from the m^ p. 9. Chap. 4. The fecond Argument, p. i<5. Chap. 5. Argum. ^.Thatdepoftng Kings that will net ex- terminate w ,and abfolving Subjecls from their alle- giance, and giving their Dominions to others , is an Article of the Papijls Faith, p. 1 7, 1 8. Chap. 6. Argum. 4. The Church of Rome unholy in its JE/Jentials, p.2i,^2,&c. Chap. 7. Argum. 5. The Papifts of more then One Churchy yet each part pretending to be the Catholic k church, p. 26. Chap. 8. Argum. <5. The Church of Rome hath d> [con- tinued, p. 3 1 . Chap. 9. Argum. 7. Fromfenfe •, fecurJng all men from Popery that will believe their eyes, or any of their or . others fenfes^ p. 32. H. T s frivolous anjwer re- felled, p. 34. Chap. 10. Deeeft. 1. Trove them but gu.lty of one Error in Faith, and all Popery is confuted, p. 3 8. Chap. 1 1. Detect. 2. y^X Doctrine [0 contrary to Scri- pture and it (elf, cannot be free from Err$r, p. 39. Chap. 12- Detect. 3. Agree on the way of proof , before ( e 2 ) yen 2 o The Contents.. you difpute : Papifts wiH take neither Senfe, Reafon, Scripture,nor the Tradition or Judgement of the greater part of the Church for judge or proof, p. 41 . . Chap. 13. Detett. 4. Vndtrjlaud what they mean, when they call to you for a fudge of Controverfies, How far 4 Judge is neceflary, and who. p. 43. . Chap. 14. Dete&. 5. They pretend ,t hat in their way there it an End of Cont r over fie s, hut in ours there U none : Detected, p. 46. Chap. 15. Dete& 6. Their be Aft of Vnity, and reproach- ing a* with Diviftons, Detect" ed r p. 52. Chap. \6. Dete<5h 7. Their confounding the Effentials and Integrals of Chriftianity Detected, p. 6$. Chap. 17. Dete&. 8. Their extolling the judgement of the Catholick Church Detected : It is again ft themjp.y 1 • Chap. i8.Dete&.p. Some of their deluding Ambigui- ties Detected. I . In the word [_Church ] 2 . In the word C Pope. ] 3 . [_ A General Council. ] Bring them to Define what they mean by thefe,andyou break them,. p< 73. Chap. 1 p. Detect. 10. Their Confounding 1, An humane Ordinance ) and a Divine. 2. CMeere Primacy with So- . veraignty. 3. \^4n alterable Order with an unalterable Effential, Detected, p. 8 r . Chap. 20. Dete<5t. 11. The vanity of their pretending Tradition delected, p. 85. How far we are for Traditi- on^ p. 87. Tradition confeundeth Popery, p. 98. Chap. 1 1 . Dete&. 1 2 . Their pretence that the Greeks and all other Churches were once under the Pope, Detected, p. 102. Chap. 22. Dete&. 13. Their plea that the Church of Rome is a True Church, and therefore we Are Schifma- ticks for feparating from it 6 Detected, p. 1 03 . Cha*p 23. Detedl. 14 Their pretending to fixed Vnity and Jetfltdnefs , and that we are at, uncertainty,, in-.. The Contents. incoherent, and changelings, Detected, p. 107. Ghap. 24. Dete<5h 15. Their plea that our Church and Religion is new, and theirs old 5 and their calling fir a Catalogue , and proof of the Succefsion of our Church before Luther, Detected ; and our Church made known to them, p. 115. Aud vindicated from H. Turber- vile'; exceptions. Proved fully that perfons differing in points of Faith are Chrifiians,and of the fame Church p. I25,»27,&c. And that the Abattines, Armenians, Copties, Greeks, cjre. Are of the fame Church with us, proved. H. T'j proof ef their Succefsion confuted, to p. 141. Ghap. 25. Dete«ft. 16. Their jumbling all our differences together , and then making leffer or common differences to be the Protefiant Religion, Detected, p. 141, Thirty two points of ropery named, which they are chal- lenged to prove a Succefsion of, with my promt [e to re- ceive what is fo proved, p. 142. H. J's Arguments for the Succefsion of their Doctrine confuted to p. 155. Papi/ls have th&je in their Church that differ in point of Faith, p. j 55 . No fuch difference between us and the mofl of the Chri- ftian world as can prove us not of the fame Catholick Church, proved again ft H. T. in the in fiances , i t of Invocation of Saints, p. 1 5 7. 2. Praying for the dead, p. 160. 1* Veneration or Adoration of Images, Crofs and Reliques,Tp. 162.4. Tranfubflantiation, 5 . Sattf- faction and Purgatory^ 6. ofFafls, Free-wilL &c. Cha,p. 2 6.Dete<5r. 17. Their falfe interpretation of the fayings of Ancients, from whence they would extdrt a proof of their Soveraignty,. Detected m eight in fiances, p. 169. Chap. 27. Deted. 18. Their corrupting Councils And. Fathers, and citing fitch ^ Detected, p. 176. (/3) Chap. 21 The Contents. Chap. 28. Deted. 19. Their perfivadmg the -people that tve are all Lyars, that nothing rve fay and write may be regarded, p. 182. Chap. 25?. Detect. 20. Their feigned Miracles: 184. The ftory of the Boy of .Bilfon, p. 185. Chap. 30. Dete<5t, 21. Their Impudent Jlaitders. The horrid Lyes again ft Luther and Calvin, infifledm by the Marquefs of Worcefter, and their common Writers^ full) detected., p. 189. Chap. 3 1 . Dete<5t. 2 2. Their quarrels at oar Tranflations of Scripture, p. 200. Chap. 3 2. Detect . 2 3 . Their defign to make the Minifters od-tous to the people. Their riches and ours compared, p. 201. Chap. 3 3 . Detect. 24. Their cavils again ft our Miniflry, Ordination and Succefsion, confuted, p. 2 o 5 . Chap. 34. Detect. 25. Their pretence of the Holt- mfs of their Church , and the unholinefs of ours : And 1. of their Canonized Saints , p. 214, 217. 2.. of the fir i cine fs of their Religious Orders. 3. of their unmarryed Clergie, p. 227. 4. Their Holy cere- monies. Chap. 35. Detect.26. 1 heir demanding of us to tell them when every one of their Corruptions did begin, p. 233. Their Novelty proved, p. 234,^. A Confutation of a Papijls M. S. on this point , which was fent to Mr, Millard, neer Stur bridge, p. 244. Chap.36. Detect. 27. They charge us with New Articles^ for denying their new Articles of Faith, and then bid us prove the Succefsion of our Negatives, p. 258. Chap. 37. Detect. 28. 7 hey conclude that theirs is the frfer Religion, becaufe it is mo [I uncharitable and damn- eth others, and ours the le(s fafe becaufe the more chari- table, p. 2,61. They The Contents. They admit or fave fTeatbcns while- theywvuid damn Prtr- teflants, proved, p. 265. Chap. 38. Deteft. 25?. They win the Great cmes and mul- titude by [twin* their Doctrine and-Woiftr.p to tbeflefily conceits artd inclinations of ungodly men, p. 271. jhewcdintwcntyinftanccs. Chap. 59.0eted. 30. They fuk up'x intakes or barfi pafjages of fome particular Divine's, and pfrfwademen that tbcfe are the Protcflant R eltgfkt', p. 27^. A Confutation of Cardinal Rrchlieu'j twelve \fccu fattens or Arguments again ft the' Prof t(t ants, p.'2^o,:8r. j Chap. 42. Detett. 35. Their pretence of a D.vir.c infli- tut ion, and Natural Excellency of a vifiblc CMonarchi- cal Government of the whole Church Detected, p. 297, An Anfwerto the ridiculous Keafons of Cardinal Boverius to Prince Charles, p. 297.. Chap. 43. Detect. 34. Their new device of receiving no- thing as Scripture Evidence; hut the exprefs words, P 3°7. Chap. 44. Deteft. 35. They choofc fuch pcrfons to difpute with againfi whom they have fome notable advantage, p. 312. Chap. 45. Deteft. 36. Their defigns to divide m> orfow Hcreftes among the Vulgar, and then draw them to fome, odious praeiices, p. 313. About our late changes and warres, and Herefus in England . The Proteftants,and ' particularly the Presbyterians vindicated from their charge of kitling the late King, p }2i. Tet the cafe different from t heirs, p. 323. How Pap/ [Is have crept inti mo ft parties, p. 3 27. What Herefies and Seels are their proper [pawn, p. 330. Chap. 46. Detect, 37. They Hide themfelves {in their Agents and new Converts .« ) The means : Our danger by the Hiders : 7 he Detection, p . 3 3 7 . to 3 45 ♦ . Chap. . 2 4 The Contents. Chap. 47. Detect. 38. Their exceeding wduftry to pervert men of Interefi and power, p.345. Chap. 48. Dete&. 39. Their Tr eafons againft the lives of Princes and the Peace of Nations , and their dijfol- ving the bond of Oaths and Covenants , and making Perjury and Rebellion to feem Duties and Merit oriut, p. 348. proved from themselves j their recrimination about the late Kings death further re felled, p. 3 5 J. Chap. 49. Detett. 40. Their laft courfe is to turn to open Hoftility, and fir up Princes to war and hlood, p. 3 5$. Chap. 50. Some Prof of als to thePapiftsfor a{Hopelefs) Peace, p. 3*4» The snl 25 ^ V llieContents of the Second Part. Qi?eft« ^ff H ether the way to bed the Divifions in the Churches ofchrifl.be bj drawing them all into One Vnlverfal Viftble Political body , under One Vni- verfaf viftble Head $r Government ? Or -whether the Catholiek Church be 'a body (0 United and Governed f Ncg. Chap. i. She wing the Occafions andreafins of this writing cfpe daily xs from the Grot tans ; Mr* Pierce'* exceptions waniftfled to be frivolous^ p. j79 /: Qro;ius [faking Engliih to grat; fie cj^/r, Pierce, p.385. Chap. 2. The true flate of the Contr over fie : and what Confociations of Pa for s , and ttnidn of Cb arches wt grant, p. 394. Chap. 3. Our Arguments for the Negative. F if "tun Re a- fons againft the Popes Soveraigntj briefly named, p. 402. Again ft the Headjhip of Pope or General Council, Ar- gum. 1 . From the nonextjlcnce ofanuniverfil Head, a • r 1& a r , r ■ • P ', 4 ? 4 ' Argum. 2 . It never dtdexifl, much lefs in continued juc- cefsion, p. 406. Argum. 3. A General Council unneceffary , impcfstbU, and would be unjuft. p. 409. proved 'to p. 4 2 1 . Argum. 4. If affcmbled^ it could not pojsib'.ydothewoik of the Head or Soveragn, p. 42 1. Argum. 5. None hath power to fummon a General Coun- cil, p. 42 1. Argum. 6. fopc nor Council have not the Legijlat/ve Power, to the church Vniverfal y p. 42 3 . (/) Argum. 16 The Contents. Argum. 7. Pope nor Council Are not the Fount An of Power to aII Church officers, p. 42 5 • Argum . 8. In great CAufes all may rot appeal to them, nor can they finally decide, P* 42 5 • Argum. g. They cannot put down other inferior officers through the world, p. 42 6. Argum. 10. & 1 1. Our Relation to fuch a Head not Ef- fential to ourChriflianity, nor Are we baptized into fuch \Hr*d ,. 1,~ Atteaa, p. 127. Argum. 12. Thit Head no Principle anciently taught the CAtechizedy p. 428. Argum . 1 3 . & 1 4. It is no Treafon or damning fin to deny this Head, Nor Are all chriftians bound to ftudy the Laws of Popes And Councils , p-H* 8,429. Argum. 1 j. & 1 6. The Be ad of the Church muft be evi- dent to aII the members : and his Laws certain, p.430. Argum. 17.& 18. Councils and Decretals muft not be ufu- aSy preached. A Vtfible He Ad not agreed on among Pa- pifts : and therefore a* none, p. a j 1 . Argum. 19. Ho fuch Head revealed in Scripture, p. 432. Argum. lO.The Scripture appropriates the Soveraignty to Chrift only $.W$. Proved-, and the objections anjwered* Chap. 4. Opening the true grounds on which the Churches Vnity and Peace muft be fought, And the means that muft be ufedto AttAtnfo much A4 is here to be expected, 1. The GenerAl Grounds , P«44P. The trueparticuUr Grounds of Peace t h twenty Propo fit tons, p. 442. What unity to be here expected, p«443« The Applications of the for ef aid Grounds, or thereduthon of themirito practice, p. 45 3. The Conclufion, p. 455. SSSMitt ERRATA. pAge 14.1-9- t.TUtina. p.30.1.9. r. F or mo f us. p. 3 1. I.19. r. Cardinals, p. f 8. 1. 13. r.tfttvw-time.p.yj. Lj. & i6.t.Filiuliui.8c I.9. & i^.v.Bauny. & I.13. x.aman may do.p.gi.L-j.x.Baldelliis. 1.13. r. 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I.4. for re, r. ^f, p. 43 5- 1. 1. r. members, p^j.l.^.blotout a. p. 4ja.l.io. r. But when the. , . Preface, zaze 3.1ineio. v. Religion p. 13. 1-lf. for you x. them, .'nttp.?.l.xf. for Cardinal I ovcr'uu, r. Carolus Boverius. K<$ ks}A A Key for Cattiolicks* To open the juglings of the tfefuits, and fat is fie all that are but truly willing to understand , whe- ther the caute of the V x omme, or the Reform- ed Churches, be of G ui : anJ to leave the Reader utterly uncxcufabl;*, if after this he will be a Vdpjl* C-H A p. I. ff fcg^fe^gTO ^HE thoughts of the divided ftate of Cfcri- ftians have brought one of the grcateft: and eonftanteft fadnefs to my Sou] , that ever it was acquainted with ; efpecially to remember.that while we are quarrel- ling, and plotting, and writing, and fight- ing againft each other, fo many parts of the world ( about five of fix ) remain in the Infidelity of Heathenifm , fudaifm oc A'fdhomctattifm , where millions of poor fouls do need our help ; and if all out ftrength were jovned together for their Illumination and Sal- vation, it would be too little. Oh horrible (hame to the face B of Al^ey for Catholic h> of Chriftendom , that the Nations are quietly ferving the De- v>L,and the Turk is in poiTeftion of fomany Countries, that once were the Inheritance of Chrift, and that his Iron yoak is ftill upon the necks of the pcrfecutcd Greekj, and that he ftandsup at cur doors in fo formidable a pofture, ftill ready to devour the reft of the Chriftian world ; and yec that inftead of combining ro refift him, and vindicate the caufe and peop.'e of the Lord , we are greedily fucking the blood of one another , and tearing m pieces the body of Chrift with furious hands, and dettroying our felvcstofave the enemy a labour, and fpending that wit, that treafure, that labour and thac blood, to da(h our felves in pieces on one another, which might be nobly, and honeftIy,and happity fpent in the caufe of God. Thcfe thoughts provoked me to many an hours confideratK- on, How the wounds of the Church might be yet healed ; And have made it long a principal part of my daily Prayers, that the Reconciling Light might (hinc from Heaven, that might in fome good meafure takeup oar differences; and that God would at laft give healing Principles and difpofitions unto men, efpf cially to Princes and the Paftors of the Church. But the more Iftu- died how it might be done,the more difficult, if not iropoffible kappearM, and all becaufc of the Romane Tyranny, the Vice- Chrift or pretended Head of the Church , being with them become an eflential pirt of it , and the Subjedion to him eflen- tial to our Chriiiianky ir felf . So that (faith Bellarmittede Ec- clef.l. 3 .c 5 . ) No m.injhough he vpcnldycan be a Subjctt of Chrift , that is not fub'ytt to the Pope ^ and this with abundance of into- lerable corruptions they have fixed by the fancy of rheir own Infallibility, and built upon • his foundation a worldly Kingdom, and che temporal Riches and Digniry of a numerous Clergy , twining fome Princes alio into the Intcreft ; fo that they cannot poffibly yield to us in the very princ pal points of difference , unlefs they w 11 denv the very Eflence of their New Chriftia- nity and Church, and pluck up the foundations which they have fo inrfuftrioufh laid , and lesve men to a fufpicion that they are fallible hereafter, i( they {hall confefs themfclves miftaken in any thing now^and unlefs they will be fo admirably felf-denying, as to let go the temporal advantages which fo many thousands ©f thena arc interefUd in ; And whether fo much light may be hoped A %ey for Catholicks. hoped for in lb dark a generation, or fo much love to God, and felf-denyal in millions of men fovoid of ielf denyal , is eafie to conje&urc : And we cannot in thefe^rf atefl matters come over to them, unlefs we will flatly betray our Souls, and depart from the Unity of the Catholick Church, and from the Center of that Unity, to unite with another called the Romane Catholick Church, in another Center. /Vnd if wc fhould thus caft away the Truth and Favour of God, and fin againft our Knowledge and Gmfcience, and fo prove men of no Faith or Religion ,under pretence of defiring a Vnitj in Faith and Religion, yet all would not do the thing intended, but we fhould certainly mifs of thefc very ends which we fcek, when we had fold the Truth and our Souls to obtain them. For there is nothing more certain, then that thtChriftian World will never unite in the RomAne V'ce- Chrift, nor agree with them in their Corruptions, agiinit plain Scripture, Tradition, Confentof the ancient Church, againft the Reafon and common fenfe of Mankind , This is not by any wife man to be expected. Never did the univerfal Church, or one half of it center to this day in die Romane Soveraignty : And why fhould they hope for that which never yet was done ? When they had their Primacy of Place ( to be the Bifhop of the firft Seat, and firft of the Patnarcks ) it made the Pope no more a Soveraign and a Vice-Chrift,then the King of France is Soveraign to the Duke of Saxony or Bavaria -, or ihen the Se- nior Juftice on the Bench is the Soveraign of the reft : and yet even this much he never had but from the Romane Empire : What claim did be ever lay in his firft Ufurpations, to any Church without thofe bounds? It was the Empire thatraifed him, and the Empire iimited his own Ufurpations. Saitb their own Rtiniriu4 y ( or whoever clfe ) Cont. Waldenf. ^ataf. in Biblioth. Patr. To. 4. fag 773. [ The Church et of the Armenians, and ^Ethiopians , and Indians, and the reft which the Apofiles converted, are not under the Church of Rome. J Yea in Gregories days, they found the Churches of Brittain and Ireland both ftrangers and adverfaries to their So veraigmy ,in- fomnch as they could not procure them to receive their Go- vernment, nor change fo much as the time of Ea(ier for them , no nor to have Communion with tbemat laft : Anno 614. Lanrtntitis tbeir Arab- Bifhop here wrote this Letter ( with B 2 Mtllttm A Kfy for tatbolicks. Mellitus indfti/lnj) to the Bifhops and Abbots in ail Scot- land ( that is? Ireland ) [ while the Sea Apoft>)lii\ after its manner diretled tu to preach to the Pagan Nations in theft Weftem parts , as in the whole world ; and we happened to enter this Ifiandt called Brittain , before we knew themjbelieving that they talked after the manner of the tsniverf/il Church , we reverenced bsth the Brit- tains and tbeScots in great Reverence of their Sanctity. But when we knew the Bnttains, we xhought the Scots were better. But we have learnt by Daganusf^ r BtJb>p in this forementiened Ifls.nd , and by Columfoanusf/^ Abbot coming into France, that the Scots do nothing differ from the Brittains in their Conv erf ation. For Bt/hop Daganus coming to us, ref fifed not only to eat with us y but even to eat in the fame Uoufe where we did eat. ~\ Vfher Epift. Hibern.y.p.iS. Our molt peaceable Bifhop Hall was forct to write a [[ Roma irreconciliabilis. " While we are thinking of Reconciliation, they are about: our ears with Plots and violence , and with fwarrns of Rome-bred Sects , and are day and night induftri- oufly undermining us ^ fo that by their continual Alarms, I am called off to thefe defenfive wars which he re I have under- taken; yet ftill refolving that the Defperatenefs of the Cure (hall not make roe run from them into a contrary extream, nor be out of the way of Peace, nor ncgleft any necefTary means, howhopelefs focver of fuccefs. The Work that here I have undertaken, is, i. To give you briefly thofe Grounds on which you muft go , if you will keep your ground againft a Papift. 2. To give a few invinci- ble Arguments, which the weakeft may be able to ufe, to over- throw che principal grounds of thePapifts. 3. To deteft their Frauds, and give to rhe younger fort of Minifters, fufficient Dirt&ions for the Confutation of all the Papifts in the world. 4. To propound (though in vain) fuch terms of Peace as wc can yield to. Chap. A^ey for Qatbolkks- Chap. II. BEfore I mention the Grounds or Caufe that you muft maintain , I muft prcmife this Advice to the Common People. i . Wrong not the Truth and your felves by an unequal con- fltft. Enter not rafhiy upon Difputes with thoic that are Learned and of nimble tongues , if you be ignorant , or of weak capacities your felves. Though I (hill here fhew you that Scripture, Church, Tradition, Reafon and Senfe are on your fide, yet experience tels us how chc words of Juglcs have made rai lions of men deny belief to their eyes, their tafte and other fenfes. An ignorant man U foon lilenced by a fubtile wit •, and many think that when they cannot anfwer, they muft yield , though they deny both Senfe and Reafon by it. If any of them fecretly ent ce you, defire them to debate the cafe with fome able, learned, experienced Mmifter in your hearing. It is the office of your Paftors to defend you from the wolves : If you once defpife them or ftraggle from them and the Flocks, and truft to your own Reafon that is unfurnilhed and unprepared for fuch work , you may take that you get by ir, if you be un- done. You need the help of Paftors for your fou ! s,as well as of Phylicians for your Bodies, and Lawyers for your Eftates : or elfe God would neve: - have fee them over you in his Church, Let them but come on equal terms , and you (hall fee what Truth can do. In this way we will not avoid a Conference with any of them. But alas ! with ignorant unlearned people , what mty not fuch Deceivers do ? that canperfwade fo ma- ny thoufand fouls to give no Credit to their own eyes,or tafte, or feeling , but ro believe a Pricft,that Bread is not Bread, and W»ne is not Wine. 2. Yet I would have the weakeft to endeavour tomderfland the rtafons of their Profefiion.andto be able to repell Deceivers.* And co that end , I (hall here give you firft fome Diredions concerning the canfe which you muft defend. An! concerning this , Obferve thefe things following. I. Uide;ftand what the Religiun is that you muft bold and maintain; It is thciHCientChnltian Religion. Do not put every B 3 Truth A J^ey for Catbolkks. Truth among the Eflentials of your Religion : Our Religion doth not ftand or fall with every Controverfie that is raifed ■bout* it. That which was the true Religion in the Apoltlcs dayiisours now: that which all were baptized into the Pro fcfiion of, and the Churches openly held forth as their Belief. Reformation brings us not a new Religion : but eleanfeth the old from the drofs of Popery, which by innovation they had brought in. A man that cannot confute a Papift , may yet be a Chriitian, and fo hold faft the true Religion. It followethnot rhat our Religion is queftionable or unfafe , iffome point in Controverfie between them and us be queftionable or hard . The Papifts would fain bring you to believe that our Religion muft lie upon fomcof thefe Controverfics : but its no fuch matter. Perhaps you will h)\Tbatthen it it not about Religion that rre dif- fer from them. I anfwer ; yes : it is about the Efjcntiah of their Religion , but it is but for the preferving the Integrity of ours againft the Confequcnces and additions of theirs. They have made them a New Religion ( which we call Popery ) and joined this to the Old Religion ( which we call Chriftianity. ) Now we Rick to the old Religion alone , and therefore there is more eflential to their Religion, then is to ours ; fo that our own Re- ligion, even the ancient Chriftianity y is out of Controverfie be- tween us. The Papifts do contefsthat the Creed, the Lords Prayer , the ten Commandments are true , yea that all the Scripture is the word of God, and certainly true: fo that our Religion is granted us as part difpute : And therefore it is only the Papifts Religion that is in queltion between us, and not ours. If you will make thofe lower Truths to be of the EiTencc of your Religion which are not , you will give the Papifts the advantage which they defire. 2. If the Papifts call for a Rule, orTeft of your Religion , and ask you where they may find it , allvgn them to the Holy Scriptures, and not to any Confefsions of Churches , further then as they agree with that. We know of no Divine Rules and Laws of Faith and Life , but the holy Scripture ( and the beam of Believers have animperfe&Tranfcriptof them J The Confefsions of Churches are but part of the Holy Scripture, or Collections out of them , containing the points of greateft weight ; And if in pbrtfe or order ( much more in matter)there be A t\ey for Qatbolkks. be tny thing humane, we make it not our Rale, nor are we bound to make it good , no more then the Writings of godly men. A point is not therefore with us an Article of Faith, becaufeour ChurchesoraSynod put it into aConfefsion , but beciufe it is in the Word of God. For a Councils determi- nations do with us differ but gradually from the Judgement of afingleman, in this refpecl. And therefore we give them the Scripture only as the full Do&rine of our Faith, and the perftft Law of God; And thofe points in ir t which Life or Death is laid upon , and God hath told us, we cannot be faved without, we take as the EiTentials of our Religion , and the reft as the Inte- grals only. If they ask, pyhj then wt do dr4iv up Ccnfeljions of Faith ? I anfwer, i . To teach and help the people . by gathering to their hands the mod neceffary points, and giving them fometimes an explication of them. 2. To let our Accufers fee that wemif- underftand not the Scriptures. 3 . To let PafWs and other Sub- je&s know what fence of Scripture the Magiftrate will own within his Dominions. 4. And to let the Pafters and the world know what fence in the principal Points we are agreed in. But ftill we take not our Confefiions for our Divine Rule; and there • fore if there be any errour io a Con r effton , there is none in the Rule of our Religion, and confequently none in the Religion which we all agree in 5 but only in fuchaperfons or Churches expofition of the Rule, which yet among Chriftians is not in any eiTenrial Point. 3 . Underlhnd well what is the Catholic^ Church, that when the Papift$a*k you what Church you are of, or call to you to prove its antiquity or truth, you may give them a found and Catholick anfwer. The Catholick Church is the whole number of trueChritVans upon earth ( for we meddle not now with thit part which is in Heaven.) It is not tyed to P'roteflants on- ly, nor to the oreeks only, much lefs to the Romanics only, or to any other party whatsoever • but it comprehended all the members of Chnft ; and asvifible, it containeth all that pro- fe r $ th Chriftian Religion by a credible profeflion. If the Chri- stian Religion may be known, then a man may know that be is a Chnftian, and confequently a member of the Catholick Church. But if dieChnftian Religion cannot bcknown,then no man can kt.ow 8 Afyyfor Otholicks. know which is the Church, or which is a Chriftiari. Ali ChrinV ans united to Chrilt the Head, arc this Catholick Church. If you tyc the Charch to your own party, and make a wrong defcrip- tion of it, you will enfnare your felves,and fpoil your belief, and your defence of it. 4. Run not into extream? : mix not any unfound principles withyour Religion. For if youdo,thcPapifts will cull outthofe, and by difgracing them, will feem to difgrace your Religion. 5. life not any unfound Arguments to defend the Truth. For if you do, the truth will fuffer , and feem to be overthrown by the weaknefs of your Arguments. 6. Joynnot with thofe men that caft out any Ordinance of God, becaufethe Papifts haveabufed it. Reformation of cor- rupted Iniritutions is not by the Abolition of them, but by the Reftaurarionof them. There are few things in ufe among the Papifts themfelvesas part* of worfhip , but may lead us up to a good original, or tell us of fome other real Duty which did de- generate intothtfe. 7. Joyn not with thofe ignorant, unpeaceable, felf- conceited, womanifh, rabious Divines, or private men, that pour out un- worthy reproaches at godly men among our felves,as if they were Hereticks , or fuch as the Churches (houlddif-own. Forthefe are they that pleale the Papifh, and harden them in their Error, and offend the weak. 1 bey think they may call us Hereticks or Blafphemers byauthorttv, when wecallone another fo Such Railers teach them what to fay, and play their game more effe- duallv then they could do their own. When they are alluring the fimple people, how foon will they prevail , if they can but prove their charge againit us from the pens of Protectants them- felves ? Having told you on what grounds you rauft make good your caufe againit them, 1 (hall next give you three or four eafie Ar- guments (fome of them formerly given you J by which even the weakeft may prove that Popery is but deceit. Chap. A K^y for Catholicks. CH a p. I II. Argum. I. IF there he any godly honeft men on earth befides X Papifls , then Popery ufalfe and not ef God. Bat there be gedly honeft men en earth befides Papifls : therefore Popery is falfe t andnot of God. The Major is proved thu«. It is an Article of the Popifh faith, that there are no godly honeft: men on earth , befides. Papifts : therefore if there be any fueh, Popery is faife, fBy godly honeft men, I mein fuel) as have true love to God , and fo are in a fiatc of falvation. ) The Antecedent I prove thus. i. Their very definition of the Church doth make the Pope the Head , and confine the raemberfhip only to his fubje&s, making the Roman Catholick Church Cas they call it) the whole. 2. But yet left any ignorant Papifts fay, I may be a Roman (fatholick^withaut be- lievingthat all others are ungodly, and piailbe damned t \ will give it you in the Determination of a Pope and general Council . Leo the tenth, Abrog. Pragm.fanEl .B ulL in the 17 th - General Coun- cil at the Liter anc, faith [_And feeing it it of neceffity to falva- tion, that all the faithful of Chrifl be fubjeclto the Pope of Rome , a* we are taught by the tefiimony of divine Scripture, and of the holy Fathers, and it is declared in the (fonfUtuiion of Pope Boni- face 7. &c. 1 And Pope Pita the fecond w -is converted from being i/Endas Sylvius by this Do&rine of a Ordinal, approved by him at Urge, Bull. Retratl. in the Vol. 4. of ' Binnius,p. 514. £ / came to the Fountain of Truth , which the holy Dol~bcrs > both Greeks and Laiine (he^o -, who with one voyce fai, that he cannot be favtd that holdctb net the unity of the holy Church of Rome ; and that all thofe vertucs are maimed to him that refufeth to obey the? ope of Rome •, though he lye in facecloth and aftes, and fajt and pray both day and night, and feem in theotUr things to ful- fill the Law of God.} So that if a Pope and General Council be falfe, then Popery is falfe.For their infallibility is the ground of their faith, and they take it on their unerring authority. But if the Pope and a General Council be to be believed, then no man but a fub je& of the Pope can be faved : no , though he faft and pray in lack- cloth and afhes day and night, and feem to fulfill the reft of the Law of God. Its certain therefore that if C iny i o A l\ey for Catbolicks. any one of you that call your fclves Roraane Catholicks do noc believe that all the world (hall be damned fave your felves , you are indeed no Romanc Catholicks, but are Hereticks your felves in their account; for you deny a principal Article of their faith ; and deny the Infallibility of the Pope with a General Council, which is your very Foundation. And therefore we find that even in the great charitable work of reducingthe Abajfincs, the Jefuite Gonzalus Rodericus in his fpcethto the Emperoms mother laid (o great a ftrefs on this point, that when fhs profeffed her fubjc&iontoChrilt betold her, that [ None are fubjetl to Chrift that Are not fubjetl to his Vicar ,1 [ Negavi Chrijh fubjici qui ejus vicario nan fubjicitur.] Ccdignus dereb. Aba/sin. Lib. i.e. i8.in Rodcric. liter, p. 323. And Bellarmine faith (de Bed. l.%.(.% ) that I no man though he -would can be fnb'jcB to Chijl that is not fubjett to the Popc~\ that is, he cannot be a Chrifttan. And therefore Card. Rich- lieu ( then Bifhop of Lttjfon.) tcls the Proteftants that they were not to be called Chrijlians. And Knot againft Chilling- worth, with abundance more of them, aiTcrcingthatProteftants cannot be faved, do eafily learn to practice this Le flon of the Pope and Council. I come now to prove that your Pope, and Councill, and Faith are falfe, and that others be fides you may be in a flate of Charity and Salvation. ( For you confefs your felves, that he that isinafhteof Charity, is in aftate of Salvation. ) I. If a man may knoVc his own heart , then there are others beftdes Papifis that are in Charity, and are godly men : ( and fo in a flate of Salvation ) But a man maj kn.-w his crvn heart: therefore, &c. Tne Confequence of the Major b plain by inward experience to every godiy, honed: man that knoweth himfelf. If I can know my own heart, I muft needs fay I love God, and am not void of fincere Godlinefs and Honefty . And that I may know my own heart I can tell alfo by experience.- For to know ray own Knowledge and Will is an ordinary certain thing , if not by intuition it fclf. And if a man cannot know whether he believe and love God or nor, then no man can give thanks for it, nor make Profeffionof it: nay men cannot converfe together,ifthcy cannot know their own minds. And £c liar mine confeffeth that we. A l\ey jor Qatholicks. \ \ we may have a moral Conje&ural certainty that we have true Love, and are juftifTed. And then I have a moral conje&ural certainty at lealr,that Popery is falfe; becaufe I hare at lead fuch acertainty that I amnot ungodry or unjuftihed. So thatlock what meafurc of knowledge or perfwafionany Proteftant hath that he is truly honeft and juftificd, that meafurc of knowledge mull he needs have ( if he underftand himfclf ) that Popery is a deceit. So that from hence you may gather thefc four conclufions ; I. That all that have mty knswledge or perflation that the j are not ungodly unjuflified perfons themfilvts,and void of the true Ltve of God, are quite out of danger from turning Papifts, if they undcrfland but what Popery is ; and if they do not, they cannot turn to it, but in parr. Z.That never any bineftgodlj man did turn Papift in the world- and this the Papifts therafelves will juftirle : For they fay ( by a Pope and general Council ) that no man can be faved butt Papift : and they generally hold, that all lhac have Charity and arc juftificd, (hall be faved if they fo die. So that if Popery be true, then no man had Charity or true Godiincfs before he was a Papift .- and therefore never did one godly man or woman turn Papift. And therefore let them take the honour of their wicked feduced Ones. What glory is it to them that none ever turned co them but ungodly people? 3 • And it followeth that the Papifts co nstfo much as defire or invite any godly man to turn to them. If you underftand their meaning, they call you not to turn to them, if you arenotun* godly perfons. 4. And hence it follows that every one thatturneth Papift, doth thereby confefs that he was a wicked man before , and that he had not the leift true love to God ; that he was not jjftified, but a gracelefs wretch. In a word, all you that do but know or hops that you have any faving Grace, have an Argument here againft Popery, which all the fefuites in the world cannot confute. For you know your own hearts better then they : And they have no way to turn you to them, but by perfwadtng you that you are not what you are, and that you know not what you know. So that plainly this is your Argument, [ / k»of» t or I have good per' C 2 [ytafwn* 12 A J{cyfor Catholicks. fvrafiont that Jam not utterly void of Charity or faving Grace-, therefore I know, or have the fame perfrvafions that Popery isfalfe, which detcrmincth that none have Charity or faving Grace but Papifts. ] 2. But I proceed to a farther proof of the Minor; A man may have a very ftrong Conjecture that many others that are no Papifts have faving Grace •, though he had no perfwafion that he hath fuch Grace himfelf. And confequently he muft have as ftrong a conjecture that Popery is falte. What abundance of holy heavenly perfonshave we known of all rank? among us / Such is have lived in dayly breathings after God, fpending no fmall part of their lives upon their knees, and in the ferious and reverent attendance upon God in holy worfhip, meditating day and night upon his Law ; hating all known fin, and delight- ing in holincfs, and longing for perfection; and living in con- ftant Temperance and Chafrity, abhorring the very appearance of evill, and making confeienceof an idle word or thought, devoting their lives and kbors, and all they have to God, giving all their Eftatcs ( fome of them ) to pious and charitahlc ufes, except what is neceffary for their dayly brcad,even mean cloath- ing and food; taming their bodies, and bringing them into fubjection , and denying themfelves,and mortifying the flefti , and contemning ail the Honors or Riches of the world, re- foivingtofufferdeathitfelf, ( as many of their Brethren have done from the Papifts ) rather then fin wilfully agiinft God and their confeiences : in a word, living to God, and longing to be with him, and raanifefting thefe longings to the very death; grieving more at any time, if they have but loft the fenfeand perfwafions of the love of God , then if they had loft alt the world ; and would give a thoufand worlds, if they had them , for more of the Love of God in their fouls, and fuller affarance of his Love and Communion with him. As far as words, and groans, and tear*, and the very drift of a mans life, and the expending of all that he hath, can help us to know another mans heart, fo far do we know all this by otbers,that have lived among us. And may we not conjecture, and be ftrongly per- fwaded that thefe, or fome of thefe, or fome one of thefe, was a holy jqftified perfon ? And now Reader, if ever thou be tempted to be a Pftpift, I will A H(ey for fcatbolicks. will cell thee what a task thou haft : Look on one fide on the Lives of holy men among us, fuch as was Mr. Dodd, Mr. Paul Bayn, W.fVilliam Fenner , Mr. Arthur Hilderjbam, Mr. Robert Bolton, Mr. Greenham, Mr, Hooker, Dr. Sibbs,Dr. Preflon, Dr. Stoughten, Mr. Perkins, with many hundreds more ; Befides blef- fed BradfordjG 'lover, Sanders, Hooper ,and the reft that laid down their lives in the flames in teftimony againft Popery ; befides all thethoufands that in other Nations have dyed by thePapifts hands, becaufe they durft not fin againft God ; and befides all the Learned holy Divines of other Nations, and the millions of Godly Proteftams there ; as alfo look upon all the godly that are now living, men or women, that live in moft earned feeking afcer God and ferving him ; look on thofe about you * . enquire of others •, read the writings of holy Divines: and then remem- ber, you cannot turn Papifl till you have concluded that all thefe are damned, and arc utte-ly void of faving Grace and the Love of God-, If there be but one Proteftant that you know , or any one of all that have been, that you take to be in a faving ftace, you cannot poffibly turn Papift,if you know what you do. For it is eflential to Popery to contradict all this. Nay, this is not all : but think of all the Greek Church that lyeth under the tyranny of the Turk , and of all the Armeni- ans, and Abafmts,\r\& other Chriftians in the world , that are more in number far then the Papifts ; and you muft conclude, that not one of all thefe are faved before you can be a c Papijl. And is this an eafie task to one that hath the he3rt of a man in his breft ? If you are no true Chriftians your felves, dare you con- clude that not one of thefe are true Chriftians? If you confefs that you love not God your felves , dare you fay that among the far greater part of the Chriftians of the world, there is not one man or woman that loves God? This you muft fay if you: will bcaPapift. f And then on the other hand , Look- on the words of Jefus^ Chrift, and fee what thanks he will give you for fuch a eenfure,, Mat. 7. 1 ,2,3 ,4,5. Judge not, that ye be not judged ■ for -with what judgement yejudgt.ye /hall be judged :. and with what mea- fure you meet , it fhall be meafured. to you again. And. why be- hltiejl thou the mote in thy brothers eye, but confidtrtfl not the beam tkat u in thine own eye}. Tbouhypocritc\firfi cafi oHt.theh.am C 3 tm 14 odKgy for Catholicks. out ef thine own eye , and then fb«lt thou fee clcerly tocaftoxt the mote out of thy brothers cje~^ J am .4. 1 2. There is one Lawgiver that u able to five and to deftroy : who art thou that Judgeft ano- ther ? ] Rom. 1 4. 1 ,2,3 ,4, 1 o. [_ Him that is wcak_ in the faith receive je, but not to doubtful dtfpntations. For one bclieveth that he may eat all things, another who is weak, eateth herbs : Let not him that eateth defpife him that eateth not \ and let not him that caret h not judge him that eateth ' for God hath received" him. Why art thou that judge/l another mans fervant ? to his own ma~ per he ftandexh or falleth • jea he /hall be holden up , for God is able to make him fiand. One man efleemeth one day above another, Another eftcemeth every day alike : Let every man be fully perf wa- ded in his own mind- - • But why doft thou judge thy bro- ther, er why dofl thou fet at nought thy brother ? \fe /hall all ft and before the Judgement feat of thrift. For it is written , as I live faith tbe Lord, every knee [hall bow tome, andevery tongue /hall cenfefs to God ; fo then every one of us Jballgive account of himfelf to God. Let us not therefore judge ene another tny more.] Matth. 18.6. \_Butwhofoever foall offend one ef thefe little ones which be~ Hive in mejt were better for him that a milftone were hangedabout his neck^ and that he were drowned in the depth of the Sea. | Mac. 25.40,45,34,41. [Come yeblejfed of my Father , inherit the Kingdom — For I was hungry and ye gave me meat — Verily I fay unto ym, in as much at yen have done it unto one of the leaft sf thefe my Brethren, ye have done it unto me. \ Andver.41. [De- part from me ye curfedinto ever lafting fire Verily I fay unto you, in as much as you did it not to one of the leaft of thefe, you did it not to*me.~] I will recite no more t Judge now by fuchpaffages asthefc, how Chrift fet $ by ene of the leaf of bis fervants : and confequent- ly, how he will take it of you, to judge the far greateft part of his Church to be gracelefs and none of his Church, but fuch as fhall be damned. And if you dare not venture on fo unreafon- able and inhumane a cenfure , againft the experience of fo mnch holinefs as appeared] in them before your eyes, then you cannot -be Papifts : And if you dare venture on it, I leave you to con- (ider, whether under pretenceof being the only Chriftians, you have not done violence to the common rcafon and nature of man. So much for the fecond proof of the Minor. 3. But A K^y for Catbolicks. 1 5 3. But I have yet another proof,, that many that are no 7>a~ pifis are good Chriftians, and cenfecjuently, that Popery is a deceit, and that is the Teftimony of many of their own Writers. I will not call for their teftimony concerning our felves ( for we know our felves better then they &o) but concerning other Churches whom they condemn as Hercticks, or that are no fub jc&s of the Pope of Rome, And I will at this time content my felf with one of msny that might be cited ; and that is a Monk , Burchardus that lived in the Holy Land,ar»d having wrore aDefcription of it, and thofe that inhabit ir,faith of them as followech, ^.325,326. [ And for thefe th.it vrc judge to be damned Hercticks, as the Ne- florians, Jacobites, Maromtes, Georgians, andthelil y fuchisnttedby excommunication, if herefufe to fatisfc within a year, he fhall from thenceforth be ipfo jure infamous, and may not he admitted to pub Ufa Offices or Councils, .or to the choice of fuch % 0or to b;»r witnefs. And he fbaUlge inteflate and not have power to make a veil, nor may come to a Succeffton of inheritance. And ns man fhall be forced to anfwer him in any caufe : but he Jhall be forced to anfwer others. Andif he be a f#dge, his fentence fhall be invalid, andui caufes fhall be brought to his hearing . If he be an Advocate, his Plea flail not be admitted. If a Notary (or Regifier ) the lnflrumtnts made by him fhall be utterly void, and damned with the damn:d Author. And fe in other the like ca(es s we command t^oat it beobferved. ~] Thus they go on further com- manding Bifhops by themfelves, or their Arch-deacons, or other fit perlons, once or twice a year to fearch every Parifh where any Heretick is found to dwell, and put all the Neighbourhood to their Oaths, whether they know or any Hereticks there, or any private meetings, or any that in life and manners do differ from the common converfation of the faithful, ef-c. And the Bifhops that negle&thefc things are to be caft our, and others put iiko their places that will do them. And Pope Gregory 7. /. 4 Epifi. 7. exprefly ftirs up the peo- ple to caft off their Princes, faying [_ And for the co-if piracy of Heretickj and the King, we believe it is not unknown to you that A't near them, how it may be impugned by the Catholike Bifhops and Dukes, and many others in the Qerman parts : for the faithful of the Church of Rome are come to fuch a nrnnber, that unlefs .the King fhall come tofatisfatlion, they may openly prefefs to choofe D Z anttbtr 2 A 1(c) for Catholicks. another King, and cbfervingfuftice^we have promifed to favour them, and will k^p onr promife firm , &c- ] The fum of all is, that all that the Pope calls Hercticks, muft be condemned and deftroyed, and all Kings, Princes or Lords, that will not execute his fentence and root them out, muftbe difpofefled of their Dominions, and the fubjeds abfolved from their fidelity ( whatever Oiths they had taken J and all others that do but favour or receive them be utterly undone. I fetch not thefe things out of the writings of the Proteftants, aor from any private Doctors of their own, but from the very words of a General Council confirmed by the Pope, and un- questionably approved by them. And abundance the like might be produced. And many ages faw this dodrine put in execu- tion, when the Emperors of Germany were depofed by the Pope, and the Subjeds abfolved from their Allegiance, as the many volumes written in thofe times,^ind publilhed together by Gol- dafths teftifie. And the King of France, or any other that tole- rate any of the fuppofed Hereticks, may fee what a cenfure they areexpofed to, if mecrneceflity were not their fecurity. Perhaps fome will fay, that this Decree was not de n~de> but a temporary precept. Anfto. When a precept requireth duty, it may be a point of Faith to believe it. Precepts are the Objeds of Faith, at leaft as they are afTertions, that the thing command- ed is our duty. It is an Article of faith, that God is to be loved and obeyed, and our Superiors to be honoured, and our Neigh- bour to be loved, and Charity to be exercifed, &c The Crea- tion, the Incarnation of Chrift, his death, refurredion, afcen- fion, glorification, inter cefiion, his future Judgement, the Re- furredion of the body, &c. are all matters of fad, andjet matters of faith too. If pradicals be not Articles of faith, then we have no Articles of faith at all •• for all our Theology and Re- ligion is pradical. Do Papiits murder poor Chriftians by the thoufands, and yet not fidedivina believe that it is their duty fo to do? Either it is a duty, or a fin, or indifferent. If a Jin, woe to their Pope and Council (and if this be no fin with them, I know not why the world fhould be troubled by them with the name of fin.) If it be indifferent, what then (hall be called fin? If they can fwallow fuch Camels, as the blood of many thoufand Chriftianf, what need they ftrain at Gnats, and flick at private Murders, A K^y for Qatholkks. 21 Murders, or Fornication, or Lying, or Slandering any more then the Jefuit-Cafuiftsdo, that arecited by the fanfnian in his Myfterie of Jefuitifm ? But if tbefe Murders and depofing Kings be indeed a duty, bow can they know it to be fo, but by Believing? And indeed if a General Council and the Popeare to be believed, who give it as with a Decernimus & firmiterfiatui- mut, then itisdoubtlcfsa pointof faith : and if they are not to be believed, then Popery is all but a mecr deceit. Objeft. 2. But may we not be Roman Catholihs though we joy* not -with them in this point ? Have not many fuch renounced it? and fo may we. Anfw. If you renounce the Decrees of a Pope and General Council, you renounce your Religion in the very foundation of it , and cannot be Papifts, if you know what you do •, but are in the Roman account as errant Hereticks as thofe that they have tortured and burnt to afhes : though here in EngLnd where c hey cannot handle you as they would do.thcy dare not tell yoa fo. And if you may renounce the Decrees of a Pope and General Council, when they fay, [^ It is 4 duty y or lawful to extirminate all as Hereticks, that believe not Tranfub- ftantiation,and tefeize upon the Lands of Princes that will not do it, and to delivtr them to others that will, and abfolve their Vajfals from their fidelity T I lay, if you may renounce them in this, why may'not we have as free leave to renounce them in other things, at groundlefs ? Chap. VI. ^ Ar^urr. 4. "T"' H E true Catholike Church is Holf r the fhurch 1. of Rome hath for many generations been unholy : therefore the Church of Rome was not in any of thefe Generations the true Catholike Church. The Major Propofition is an Anic'e of the Creed profefTed by themfelve«,as much as by us, Q/ "Sdieve the Holy Catholike Church. The unhoIineTs of the Church of Rome, I prove undenyably, thus : If an EJfential part of the Church of Rome, even its Head, hath been unholy through many Generations, then the Church »f Rome hath been un'."h for many Generations : but an Ejfenti- D 3 <*U zz A I\ey for Catbolich. all part t even the Head, hath bun unholy : therefore, &c. The onfequenceof the Major ispaft dcnyal. Bonum eft ex c*n f \s integris. Though it will not follow that the Church is Holy, becauie one Effential part is Holy, yet it clearly follow- ed* that the Church is unholy, becaufe an Effential part is un- holy. Asitfollowethnotthat the Body is found, becaufe the Head is found, ytnc followetb, that the man (or the body ) is unlound or fick, becaufe the Head is unfound or fick. As it is not a Church without all its Effential parts, foit is not an Holy Church without the Holinefs of al! its Effential parts. And that they make the Pcpe the Head of the Catholike -Church, and an Effential part, I am loth to prove ; I would I could but entice them to deny it : for it is the principal contro- verfie between rhem and the true Cathohkcs. •And that abundance of their Popes have been unholy, I bave formerly proved, and they dare not 1 hope deny ic ^ when their own Hiftoriansdcfcribe their Impieties, andiheirown Writer*, even thofe that are bittereft againft us, do freely confe r s it .-yea General Councils have judged them and cart them our. The number of thefeMonfters is fo great, that it would make a vo- lume greater then I intend, but to name them and recite their crimes. I will give a brief inftance of one of them. Pope John the twenty third wa$ accufed and depofed by the General Council at C*nftance y upon about feventy Articles which in Binnius fake up about thirteen columes in folio .-and therefore I fuppofe you would give me no thanks to trouble you with the recital of them all. The firft Article was, that he was from his youth, a man of a baddifpofition.immodcft, impudent, a lyar, a rebell and difobedicm to his parents, and given to mod vices, and then was, and yet iscommonly taken for fuch a one by all chat knew him. The fecond Article was, how by Simoniacal and un juft means he grew ricb.The third Article,that by Simony he was promoted to be a Cardinal. The fourth Article, thai feeing Lcgat at Bonowahe governed Tyrannically, im.pioufly ,un- juflly, being wholly aliene from all Chriftian piety, and juftice, divine and humane, &c. The fifth Article, that thus he got to be Pope, and yet continued as bad, and as a Pagan defpifed the worfhip of God, and if be performed any, it was more left he Ihoold be totally blamed of hercfie and caft out of the Papacy, then A I^ey for Catholic ks. i J then for any devotion, and he hudled it up like an Hunter or a Souldier. The fixt Article was, that he was the opprcflbrof the poor, the perfecutor of righteoufnefs, the pillar of the un- juft, and the Mmoniacal, a fervcr of the flefb, the dregs of vices, a ftranger to vertue, flying from publikc confiftorics , wholly given to ficep and carnal ddires, wholly contrary to the life and manncrsof Chnit, the mirror of infamy, and the profound in- ventor of all mifchiefs ; fo far fcandalizing the Church of Chrifr, that among Chnftian Believers that knew his life and manners, he is commonly called, The Devil incarnate. The feventh Ar- ticle was, that being a veflei of all fins, repelling the worthy, he Simonically fold Benefices, Bifhopricks and Church dignities openly to the unworthy that would give moft for them. Reader, 1 (hould but weary thee to add threefcore more of tbefe Articles. Thcfe were all proved to be Notorious by Car- dinals, Archbifhops,Bifhops,and many more. Yet I will crave thy patience while 1 add but two or three of the laft. Ano- ther was, that he came to be Pope by caufing Pope Alexander and his Phyfitian Dr. Daniel defopbia to be poyfoned. Another was, that he committed inceft with his brother$Wife,and with the holy Nuns.and Whoredom withVirgins,and adultery with mens Wives, and other crimes of incontinency, for which the wrath of God cometh on the children of difobedience. Another,tha« he was a wicked man, notorioufly guilty of Murder, Witch- craft and oiher grievous crimes,a dilTi pater of theChurch goodf, a nororious Siraonift, aud pertinacious Heretick. The next Article was, that often and often before divers Prelates and other honelt men, by the Devils perfwafion, he obftinately af- ferted, dogmatized, and maintained, thatthere is no life ever- lafting , nor any other after this ; Moreover, he faid and oblti- nately believed that the foul of man doth die and it extind With the body like the bruit beafts, and that the dead fhaU not rife aqain at the tail day, contrary to the Article of chcRefurredion. The laft and Tome. other A nicies are about his p^rfidioufnefs. *) And hereupon the Council depofed him. And now Reader I leave thee to judge, whether the Romaic Chnrch hid a holy Head, when it had a Heathen and a Devii incarnate} So the general Council at Bafil depofed Pope Engenim 4. at *4 AK^eyfor Catholkks. as being r %si rebel again ft the holy Canons, a notorious difiurber and fcandali profit he peace anci unit) of the Church, aSimcnifi and a perjured wretch incorrigible, a fchifmatick. , and an cbftmate Heretic!^. ] Pope John I 3 . alias 1 2. was in Councill convicted of ravifk- ing Maids, Wives, Widows at the Apofiolick doors, and committing many murders: he drunk^a health to the Devil , and at Dice cat- cdto Jupiter andWenus for help, andatlajl wai fluinin the aft cf tsfdulterj. Saiih Plutina [_ he was from his youth a man con- taminated with all difhonefiy and filthincfs ; and if he had any time tofpare from his lufis, he [pent it in hunting, and not in pray- ing»] And after he call* him [d mofi wicked man, or rather a Men • fter] and faith that [ the life of this mofi wicked man being judged in a Council of Italian Bifhops, for fear of them he fled and lived like a wild beafi in the woods, \ till at laft he got the better again by the help of his friends at Rome; till an angry man that found him naught with his wife, got the better of him, and fentbim to anfwerit in another world. And their own writers note that this was the firft Pope that changed his name, whom his followers imitated. And do you think the Head of the Roman Church was then Holy ? If it were a difputab!ematter,I would prove out of abundance of their own writers, that many others of them have been moft wicked wretches, common adulterers,and fornicators,yca Sodo- mites, poyfoning their predeceflbrs to get the Popedom, c£r. But its needlefs, becaufe they deny it nor. Barenius their flattering Champion faith (tsfnnal.adan.912.) ^What then was the face of the ho/) Roman Church? How exceeding filthy, when the moft potent, andjtt the mofi fordid whores did rule at Rome?£jr whofe Pltafure Sees were changed, Bt/hops were given, and which is a thing horrid to be heard and not to be fpoken, their Lover s(or mates )were thrufi in- to Peters Chair, being falfe Popes, who are not to be written in the Catalogue of the Reman I 3 opes, but only for the marking out of fuch times. And what kind of Cardinals, Priefis, and Deacons think, you we mufi imagine that thefe monfiers did choofe , when nothing is fo rooted in nature as for every one to beget his like ? And Genebrard that fplcenifh Papift ( U.4. Sec. 1 o. ) faith [ In this one thing that age was unhappy, that for netr one hundred and fifty yean about fifty Topes did wholly fall way from the virtue A f\ey for Catholkks. z j, *f their anchors , being rather irregular axd Afofiatical , then Apoflolical ] So that the Church or Rome had not then either a Holy or Apoftolical Head. And Pope Adrian the fixth himfelf writcth ( De Sacram, Conftr. Art. 4. ) that there have many Popes o/Rome been He- reticles. And two or three fcveral General Councils did con- demn Pope Honorius for an Heretick. And if I fliould tell you but what their own writers fay of the wickednefs of the Roman Clergy, in many ages - t and of the wickednefs of the Roman peoplc,of the large fumms of money that the Pope hath yearly for thelicenfcdor tolerated Whore- houfesin Reme, you would think that the body of the particu- lar Roman C hurcb were neer kin to the Head, and therefore not the Holy Miftris of all Churches. But perhaps fome will fay, that the Pope was holy becaufe his Office was Holy ^though his perfen vicious. Anf. 1 J f this be theHo/*- tiefs of the Catholick Church , mentioned in the Creed, then the Inftitution of offices is it that makes it Holy , and while the office continuetb,the Holinefs cannot be loft. 2. Then let them prove their Holinefs by Saints nc more. 3. Let them not then delude the people, but fpesk out, and tell them that they mean fuch Holinefs as is confident with Heathenifm, or Infidelity, Murders, Sodomie, and may be in an incarnate Devil 1 Is this the Holinefs of the Catholick Church? Object. But yon may have unholy per fens among jou alfo, that yet fay you are of the true Church. Anfw. But they arc no Effential put of the Catholick Church which we believe j and therefore it may be a Holy Churchy though they be unholy. But the Pope is an Effentiil pare of the Roman Church which they believe in ^ and therefore it caR not be Holy, if he be unholy. Object. By this means )ou leave noroomfsr the Church s/Rome cr any Papifi in the Catholick Church which is truly Holr. Anfw. Not asPapifb : fo they can be no members of it. But if with any of them Chriftianity be predominant, and prevail againft the infection of Popery, fo that it pra&icallyexiinguifti not Chriftianity, then as ChrifHans they may be members <_£ the Church, and be faved coo, but not as Papiits. E Chap. 2(5 A KjyforCatholkks. Chap. VII. Argum. 5. HP HE true Catholic!^ Church of Chrift is but 1 One' Th: pretended Roman [a.holicl^Church is mere thsn One : Therefore the pretended Roman-Catholic k, Church is not the true Qat hslicl^ Church of Chrifl. The Major is conftrted. The Minor I prove thus, 1. where the- e are two Heads or Sovereign Powers fpecifc ally diflintl, there are trvo Societies, tr Churches. But thofe called Papifts, or the Roman Catholtck, Church , have two Heads or S over aign Powers fpecificall] diftinil. Therefore thej are two Churches. The Major is granted by all Politicians,who do without con- tradiction fpecifie Common- wealths and other Political Societies from theSoveraign Powers : and fo the Monarchical, Ariftocra- tical and Democratical are feveral Species. The Belgian Com- mon-wealth , and the French, be not fpeciftcally the lame. The Minor hath two {landing proofs fo vifible thathemuft be blind indeed that cannot fee them. Firfr. there are the many Volumes that are written by both fides for their feveral forms : Bellarmine, Gretfor and the reft of the Italian fadion proving that the Pope is the chief Power, and above a General Council, and the feat of Infallibility, and not to be judged by any, being himfelf the Judge of the whole world. And the other party proving that a General Council is above the Pope, and that he ii to be judged by them, and may be depofed by thcm.Ifany fay, that they are but few and no true Catholicksof this Opinion, I anfwer, then a General Council are but few and notrueCatho- ficks, which yet i? faid by them to reprefent the whole Catholick Church: For the General Council of Conflance and of Bafil havt peremptorily affertcd it, and repeat it over and over; yea the Council of Bafil fay, Scf. ultim. that [_ Not one of the skil- ful! did ever dtubt but that the Pcpe war fubjetl to the Judgement of a General Council, in things thn concern faith. *s3nd that he cannot without their confent d'jfolve or remove a General Council^ jea and that this is an Article of faith , which without dtfirutlhn of falvation cannot be denjed,and that the Council is above the Pope , defide, and that it cannot be removed without their own confent, ami that he is an htretick.that is againft thefe things ) See Bimiuj A L\ey for Qatholkks. 27 Binnius page 43. 79. 96. And Pope Eugenics owned this Coun- cil ibid.page 42. And for the Council ot Conflance, 'JMartin the fifth waschofenbyit, and prefentinit, and perfonally confirm- ed it in thefe words [ Quedomnia &finguU determinate, concltt- fa, & decreta, inmateriis fidei per prxfens concilium , concilia' riter tenere & inviolabiliter obfervare volebat^cjr nnncjuamcon- traire quoquo modo. Ipfaq', fie conciliarittr fall a approbate^- rati fi cat , & non aliter, nee alio medo~\ (that is, what they did as a Council,and not what private m embers did ) you fee then even General Councils reprefenting the Catholick Church do not on- ly fay that a Council is above the Pope, but make it an Article of faith, and damn thofe that deny it . ( What then is become of Bellarmine and the reft of their champions ? ) But perhaps you'l fay, the j are bat few on the other fide. I anfwer : yes: Not only moft Popes, and the Italian Clergy, and the predominant party of Papifts, but another Gen:ral Council, even that at the Lateran, under Julius 2. and Leo io. exprefly determine on the contrary,that the Pope is above a Gene' ral Cotmcd. So that here is not only an undenyable proof that General Councils are fallible by their contradicting each other, and that there is a Necefiity of re jo&ing fome of them,and con- fequently that the Foundation of Popery is rotten j but alfo here is oneReprefentative Catholick Church againft another Repre- fentative Catholick Church, and one Council for one Species of Soveraignty ,and another for another Species of Soveraignty. So that undoubtedly it « not the fame Church, that had two heads of feveral forts. 2. And the Nations that are on both fides to this day, are a proof beyond denyall of their divifion. The French on one tide, and the Italians on theother^and other nations divided between both. So that the thing which they call by one name, is two in- deed. 13 ut fo is not the true Catholick Church. Objed. what though fome in England took, the King to be the Soveraign y and fome the Parliament, and f com thought it was in both C onjuntt', did this prove that jest were more than one Com- mon wealth ? j4nfw.Whcre the Soveraignty is mixt and not in cither alone,if any one fhall fct up the one as the onlySove. aign.and lubjed the other to them, they change the form of the Commonwealth, hut E 2 do 28 ^ K^y for Catholic fo. t ' l ft: up two Commonwealths •, buc if half cake one for the Sovereign, and the other half take the other for the Soveraign, they plainly divide the Commonwealth into two : if they do ic only in mind, and the fecret thoughts of their hearts, this can- not be known to others,and fo cannot be the ground of a Socie- ty .- buc if they do it by a publike content and pradice, they evi- dently make two Commonwealths. What elie brought us into a war which ended no: till one party wasfubducd ? Ic is not poftible chat one Political body fhould have two Soveraigns fpe- cifically dulinft. Indeed ic may have five hundred natural per- fons intheSoveraignty (as in a Senate; ) but they are but one Political perfon, or one fumma poteftas. 2. But I prove ihe Minor by another Argument, where there are two three or four Heads cr Severaignt at once numerically &ftinb~l y there are two or three or four Churches. But the Roman Churchfrttendingto be Cathol'tke, hath had two or three or foptr Heads at once numerically dijiintt ; therefore it was two or three or four Churches. The Major is a known truth to all that are verfc in any degree in the dodrine of Politicks. Icisnoconly two fpecies of Sove- raigncy , but two individual Sovera\gi\t that are inconfiftenc with the numerical Unity of a Political body. Two, or ten,orcwo hurdredroay joynin one Soveraignty, as one Political perfon (aslfaidj but if there be two Soveraigns, there are certainly two Societies : for if both be Supream, neither i> Subordinate. The Minor is not to be denyed : for the Papifts lay their very foundation on a fuppofed divifion : foriboth Peter and Paul were both at once their Bifhops. And there is not many of them that adventure to tell us, that Peter only was the Supream, and that Paul was under him : but they make them as equals, or coord i<- nate j and fomc of them fay, that Paul was the Bifliop of the uncircumcifion, and Peter of the Circuracifion (and then Piters Church is confined to the Jews ) And they do not tell us, thac one HeadfhJp was divided between them : For then that ex- ample would dired them ftill to have two Popes, or two Bilhops to a Church ; fo that Peter being a Head, and Paula. Head,the.y had furediftincft bodies. But whether chey ftand to this or not, they cannoc deny their many followingdivifions. The twenty third fchifme ( as wer- nerus A Key for Qatbolkks. 29 nevus a zealous Papift in fafciculo temper, reckons chem) was between Felix rhe fif.h and Eugenia* : of which the fiid Werne- rus fpcaking faith, \_ That hence arofe great contention among the ■writers of this matter, pro & contra, and thej cannot agree to this day : for one pan faith, that a Council is above the Pope , the other part on the contrary faith, No, but the Tope is above the Council. G:>d grant his (fhurch peace ,&c. J Of' the twenty fecond fchifme the fame Wernerus faith thus, ( adannum I 373-) \_the twenty fecond fchifme was the wo (I end moji fabtile fchifme of all that were before it. For it was fo perplex- ed, that the moji Learned and Confcientious men were not able to difcufs ( or find out ) to whom they fhould adhere. And it was continued for fourty years, to the great fcandal of the whole Clergy, and the great hfs of fouls, becaufe of Herefies and other evils that then fprung up, becaufe there was then no difcipline in the Church againfi them. And therefore from this Urbane the fixthttothe time o/Martin the fifth, 1 k»oVc not who ftas Pope "} After T^icoUs the fourth there was no Pope for two year sand an half ^^Celeftine the fifth that fucceeded him refigning »r,Boniface the eighth entered , that filed himf elf Lord of the whole world in Spirituals and Temporals, of whom it was faid, He entered as a Fox, lived as aLyon,ind dyed like a Dog,fait>hthe fame Wernerus. The twentieth fchifme ( faith the fame Author ) was great between Alexander the third, and four Schifmaticks, and it lafled f event een years. The nineteenth fchifme was between Innocent the fecond, and Pe:er Ltonis : and Innocent get thebetter, becaufe he had more on his fide ( faith he. ) The thirteenth fchifme {faith Wernerus ) was between another and Benedict the eighth. The fourteenth fchifme ( faith the fame Author ) was favda- lous- and full of confufton between Benedtd tit* ninth and five others, -which B enedi & ( faith he ) -was wholly vitious , and t heri- tor e being dimmed, appeared in a monftrous and horrid fhape; hk head and tail were like an Ajfes, and the rrfl of hir body like a Bear, faying, J thus appear, becaufe Hived like a beafi. ~] In this fchifm* (faith Wernerus ) therewere no lefs then fix Popes at once. I. B^ t\ed\a*exp(tlfed. 2. Silvcftcr the third gets in, but is caji out again, and knedift re fared. 3 . But being again cafi cm , Gi'Cga- E z ry I o a I\ey for Catholicks . ry the Jixt u put into hit place-, who because he was igncraxt of letters (and \et infallible no doubt) cant A anther Pope to be Confecrated with him to perform Church Offices - y which was the fourth ; which difpleafed many, and therefore a third U chofcn^ (which was the fifth J infteadefthe two that were fighting with one another: but Henry ( the Emperor ) coming u», depofed them a'l y and chofe Clement thefecond, ( who was theYixch of all rhem that were alive at once ) But above all fchifms that between Armofus and Sergius, and their followers, was the fowleft, fuch faying and unfaytng, doing and undoing there was, befides the difmembring of the dead Pope, and cafting him into the water. And of eight Succcflbrs, faith Wernerus, Q ^ can fay nothing obfervable of them ; becaufe J find nothing of them but [candalous, hecaujeof the unheard of contention in the holy Apoftolike fea oneagainft another , and together mutually againfl each other, ] Reader, wouldft thou be troubled with any more of thefe Re- lations ? I tell thee nothing but from their own Hiftorians, and that which multitudes of them agree in .• I go not to a Prote- ftant for a word. But one Pope in thofe contentious times, I find lived in fome peace, and that was Silvefter the fecond, of whom faith Wemerus (as others commonly) [TlwSilvefter was made Pope by the help of the Devil to whom he did homage: that all might g» as he would have it : — but he quickly met with the ufual End, as ene that had placed his Hope in deceitful De- vils, ] Well / 1 (hall now appeal to reafon it felf, whether this were one Church, that for fourty Cor fay others fifty,) years toge- ther had fevcral Heads, fome of the people following one, and fome another, and the moft Learned and mod Confcientious not able to know the right Pope, nor know him not to this day. If England were fourty years thus divided between two Kings, it were certainly two Kingdoms. But the true Catholike Church of drift is but one. Ch a p. A K^ey for Ca thclicks . j i Ch a p. VIII. Argum. 6. """I""' H E true Catholike Church hath tuver ceafed or X difcontinued, fwce the founding of it to this day. The Church of Rome hath ceafed or difcontinued : ihcrefore the Church of Rome u not the true Catholike Church. I prove the Minor ( for the Mjjor they will grant.) If the Head which is an Fffcntial part, hath difcontinued, then the Church of Rome hath difcontinued. But the Head hath difcsntimad : therefore, &c. The Minor only needs proof : and that I prove i . There have hen many yea^s interregnum or vacancy, » hen there was no Pope at all- A nd where then was the Church when it had no Head ? 2. There have been long fucceflion9 of fuch as you confefs your felves, were not Apoftolical, but Apoftatical. 3. Your own Popes and Councils command us to take fuch for no Popes. For example, Pope Nictlas in his Decretals ( fee Caranzjt f a g' 393- ) f a ' tn C He that bj money or the favour of men, or popular or military tumults is intruded into the Ap:flolical feat without the Concordant and Canonical eletlionof the (fardinall and the following religious Clergy, let him not be taken fir a Pope, ■ nor Apoflolical, but for Apo^atical. ] And even of Pricfts, he commandeth, [ Let m man hear Alafs of a Prieft whom he ccr* taivfy knoweth to have a Concubine cr woman introduced] Ca- ranza. />*£ 395. and ibid, he faith, Q Priefisthat commit fornix cation, cannot have the honour of Priejihood.] 4. ttutour greater Argument is from the authority of God> and the very nature of the office. An Infidel, or notorioxfiy un* godly manfsnot capable of being a Paftor of the Church ( in fen« fu compofito, while he is fuch) But the Popes of Rome-tat^ been Infidels, and notoriouflj ungodly men : therefore they were un- capable of being Pallors of the Church ( and confequently that Church was Headlefs, and fo no Church. ) The Major I prove. 1 . Where there is not the neceflary matter and difpofition of the matter .there can be no reception of the form: But Infidels and nc« tonou fly ungodly men, are not matter fufficiently difpofed tore- c ic is bread and wine thac are near us, in the hand or moutb A K^y for Qatbolkks. 35 mouth that 1 fpeak of, and not at a miles diltance: in the day- light, and not in the dark. So that take the bread and wine into your hand, and judge of it, and let this decide our Contro- verfie. If you can cell whether that be bread or no bread, you may tell whether the Papifls or we are in the right. Thofe there- fore that be not learned and fubtile enough to judge by D.fpu- tacionsand writings of Learned men, may yet judge by their fight and feeling. Either you know bread and vine when you fee it talk it, feel it, or you do not. If you do, then the Con- rroverfie is at an end : for the (cafes of all lound men in the world, willbeagainftthe Papifts that fay the bread after Con- fecrationis no bread, and the wine is no wine. But if you can- not know bread when you fee, feel, and eat it, then fee what follows. I. Then we are Cure that the Pope and all his Council are not at all t® be trufbd : for if fence be not to be trufted, then the Pope and his Council know not when they read the Scripture, and Canons, and Fathers, and hear Tradition*, but that they are deceived. 2. Then we are uncertain of any Judgement that Pope or Council can give : for when [hey fpokeor wrote it, we are uncertain whether our eyes and ears, or reafon judging by them, are not deceived in the hearing or reading of their words. 3. How ndiculoufly then do they call for a judge of Contro- verfie?? and what a fool ifh quarrel is it that they make, who fliall be the Interpreter of Scriptures, or Judge of Controverfies? For what can a Judge do but fpeak or write his mind ? and when he hath done, you know not what it is that you hear or read, becaufe your fenfes may deceive you. Its a far harder matter to underfbnd a lencence or book of the Pope or Council when you read or hear it, then to kno* bread when you fee, and feel, and eat it. Many thoufands know bread, that know not the Popes fen- tence, nor a word of a book. 4. And by this rule, it is uncer- tain whether Scripture be true, or Chriflianity the true Religion. For we cannot know it but by our fences; and if they are fo uncertain, all our Religion rrufr. needs be uncertain. 5. Yea we cinnor tell what Revelation to deft re that fhould end our Cortr troverfics and make us certain. For if God fhouid fend an An- gel or other MefTenger from heaven to decide the Controverfies between us and the Papifts, what could he do more but fpeak k to us ai from Ciod ? and we (hould frill be uncertain of what we F fee 74 A Ksy for C&ibolitks* fee or hear : fo that we arc left rncurably in our ignorance and Controverfies,if Popery be true. And here you may fee upon what terms we difpute with Vs- pifts, and what hope there is of fatisfyingthem. We difpute wiih men that will not believe their own fenles, or the fenfes of the world. The damned man, Luk. 16. thought if one might have been fent to his brethren from the dead, they would have belie- ved. And if Abraham fay to them, If they will not hear Mo- fes and the Prophets, neither will they be perfwaded though one rife from the dead ; we may fay of Papiits, fure, if they will not believe their own eyes, and ears, and taftc, and know not bread when they fee, and feel, and eat it, how fhould they be perfwaded, though one were fent to them from heaven to rcfolre them ? Can we think by all our Arguments to make any matter plainer to a man then that "Bread is Bread, when he feeth and eatethit? If this be uncertain to them, what can you prove to them, or what way can you devife to deal with them ? For in- deed, if ftnft be uncertain, we hare no certainty of any thing id the world. But to this H. T. ( they fay H. Turbervile ) in his Manual of Controverfies faith thus.^Anfw. Subftance is not the proper and immediate objetl of fenfe, but colour, quantity, &c. Nor can fenfe judge at all of fub fiance though it be under fenftble accidents, ttn- lefs it be the fubjecb of thofe accidents, and have a fenftble and corporal manner of being, which the Body of (fhrift neither is, nor hath in that Sacrament . It hath a fpiritual manner of being , and is not tht ftibjett of the accidents of bread j they are -without a fub~ jcc~l by Miracle ; therefore no wonder, if fenfe be deceived in this matter. Here Senfe and Reafon muft vail bonnet to faith, and fub- mit to the' Authority of God revealing t and the Church propeund- ing -, they are m competent Judges what Gad can do by his Omnipo- tence.') Thus H.T. Repl. And is this all that thefe Rabbies have to fatisfiethe world that it is not Bread and Wine which is feen, and felt, and tafted ! Let us firft take notice of the by-paflagesof his anfwer, and then reply to the fubftance. i, Is not this like the reft of their contradictory imaginations? That Chrift hath pot a Cor- poral manner of Being in the Sacrament : and yet it is not Bread, but his Body that is there: yea before W£. 207. he faith, LWe A I\ey for Qatholicks. 35 £ We maintain not his Corporal, but real and fpiritual prefence in the Sacrament. So that either they affirm that his Body is pre- ferity and yet deny his Bodily prefence; or elfe they affirm his Bodily prefence, bat not his Corporal prefence. Moft learnedly i We fhall at laft be taught to diftmguifh between Bodily and Cor- poral! But is not the Juggle in the word [_ Manner ? ] Perhaps the Corporal prefence is not denyed, but the Corporal manner. Anfw. 1 . Yes, in terms fts faid [_ We maintain not his Corporal prefence'] 2. And can a Body be prefent, and not in a Bodily manner? And why is |~ Spiritually 2 put as contradiftind ? Sure when Paul faid our Bodies (hall be raifed fpiritual bodies, he thought that they were neverthelcfs bodies for being fpiritual ; and therefore it is neverchelefs a Bodily manner of prefence, for being a fpiritual manner. But it by the Corporal prefence or manner (denyed) be meant nothing but the qualities and quantity by which it is fit to be the Objed of our fenfes, why had we not this plainly without jugling ? To fay Cbrifi is prefentin Body but not fenfibly y is plainer Englifh , then to fay that he is prefent in Body but not Bodily prefent. 2. Note alfo that he calls them [ The accidents of bread) and yet faith £ they are without a fnb]ecl~\ And fo doth the Expla- nation of the Roman Catholike Belief ', and their ordinary writers fay that the Body ofChrift is under the forms ef Bread and wine- and yet fay that Bread andmne are none of the fubjett of thofe forms. 3. Note alfo that he profeflfcth Tranfubflantiatien is a Mir** cle, and fo every ignorant, drunken, adulterous Prieft of tbeirs hath the gift of Miracles , which he worketh as oft as he con- fecrateth : No wonder if Miracles be the glory of their Church, and the proof of their Infallibility ; But let us come to the fub- ftanceofhis Anfwer. I. He tells you that fnbflance is not the proper and immediate objetl of fenfe, but colour , quantity \&c. But I. Is not the Medi- ate Objetl £ Proper ] as well as the Immediate? 2. But what ga- ther you hence ? be it a Proper or improper Objed , I hope we may yet have leave to believe thatReafonby the help of fenfe doth judge as infallibly of Subflances as Accidents. If you think otherwife, then all the forementioned confequences are undenyable. You know not whether the worW faw Chrift on F z earth .* j 6 A i\ey for Catbolicks. earth: or whether he were crucified, dead, buried, rofe, or afcended : It might be but colour and quantity which men (aw ; and when Chrift told them a fpirit hath not flefti and blood as ye fee me have, they might have anfwered, We fee nofltflj and blood, but cohur and quantity: And Thomas had then (mall rea- fon to be convinced by Jeeing and feeling , when he law but colour and quantity, and felt but quantity and quality. By this reafoning the world is not fure that evemhere was a Pope of Rome, but the Qolou* of a Pope, or other accidents. And you know not that there is any earth under your feet, or that you are a man, or have a body, bccaufcyour fenfcs perceive but the accidents of it. 2. But what manner of men did H. T. imagine he had to deal with , when he puts off his Readers with fuch an anfwer as this ? Mark Reader the unfaithfull dealing of thefe men,and how grofly they abufe poor people that follow them with meer de- ceits. The Queftion or Objection which he undertook to anfwer WSiS,]Vhetherfenfe telling us that it is Bread after the Confecra- tion he deceived ? To this he takes on him to give an anfwcr,and cunningly fpeaks to another queftion,and paffeth this by. Its one queftion, Whether fenfe can infallibly dijcern Chrift in the Sa- crament , if be were there , or difcern that he is not there ? and another queftion Whether fcnfe can infallibly difcern Bread and Wine, and know whether they be there ? The laft was the queftion in hand : but he fitly anfwers to the firftinftead of it ; and tells US, that fen fe cannot judge of fubftance, though under fenftble ac- cidents , unit fs it bethefubjecl of thofe accidents ,and have a fen- ftble and corporal manner of being, which the body of Chrift neither is nor hath in the Sacrament. \ And fo goes on. And what of all this ? Q therefore Chrift may be in the Sacrament and you not d'f- tern him by fenfe ] Well : and whats that to the queftion ? O Sir , ii it not the holy truth of God that you are about t and fhould you thus abufe it,and the fouls of men? you knew the queftion is, Whether fenfe ( and the intellect thereby ) be infallible in judging Bread to be Bread when we fee, feel and eat it ? Had you never a word to fay to this ? to perfwade men that they have eyes and fee not, and hands and feel not, or that the world knoweth not certainly what they feem to know by feeing and feeling ? I pray you hereafter deal by us as fairly as Bellarmm did (and yet we A f\ey for Cathdich. }7 we will thank you for nothing ) who quire gave away the Ro- man ciufe by granting and pleading Q that fenfe is infallible in Po/itives : and therefore we may thence fay, This is a Body becaufc I fee it j ( andfo this is Bread or wine becaufc I fee y feci and tafteit ) but not in Negatives : and therefore we cannot fay , this is not a Body becaptfe Ijee it not~] I pray you give over talking of the Pope y or Church, or Religion ,or Men, if you are uncertain of fubftances which are (fuppofebut per accidentia) the Ob jeds of your fenfe. And take nothing ill that 1 write of you, till you are more certain that you fee it, and know what you fee. 3. But you'l foy[Senfe and Reafon mufl here vail bonnet tofaitb. Anfft. In the Negative cafe Ice it be granted , and any cafe where faith can be faith. But if fenfe (and the Intellect there- with^ fallible in TofitivesJo that we cannot know Bread when we fee and cat it, faith cannot be faith then. What talk you of faith, if you credit not the foundeft fenfes of all the men in the world, when fenfe and reafon are prefuppofed to faith. How know you that faith here contradidcth fenfe ? You'l fay, be- caufe the Church or Scripture faith ; This is my Body : and that there is no Bread ? But how know you that there is any fuch thing in Scripture? or that the Church fo holdeth ? you think you have read or heard it : But bow know you that your fenfe deceived you not ? He that cannot know Bread when he feeth and eateth it, is unlikely to know letters and their meaning when he feeth them. See more of my anfwer to fuch Objections in a Book entitled The Safe Religion, p. 241 . to 248. The fimpklt Reader that hath honefty and charity, is fecured againft Popery by the firft Argument, which be may make good to his own foul againft all the Jefuitcs on earth. And he that is unable to proceed on that account,raay by the evidence of this lall Argument confute any Papift living , if he be a man of fenfe and reafon. And having brought all our controverfie fo low, that fenfe it felf may be the judge, I (hall go no further in Argu- ments thinking it vain to ufe any reafon with that man that will not believe his own cye-fight,nor the fight, and feeling, and tafte of all the world befides. F 3 CH A P; 1$ A j^ey for Catholicks . Chap. X. I .Come now to the next and principal part of my task, which is to open to you their Deceit?,ardgive you Directions for the difcovcry and confutation of them , that by the help of thefe you may fee the Troth. Dettll. i. Remember this ground which they have given you, mat If j/oh prove them guilty but of any one Err er in points of be* b*J determine:* by their Cnurch , you thereby difprove the whole body of Popery , as fitch. For you pull up the foundation which they build on, and the Authority into which t v eyrefolvc their faith. They wili grant you, that if they arc deceived by the Churchinone thing, they have no Certainty of any thing up- on the Churches credit. So that if you read Pauls difcourfe againft Praying in an unknown tongue, or the many precepts for our reading and meditating in the Law ofGod,ortbe like, and. can but perceive that the Popfti Latinc fervice, or their for- bidding men to read the Scripture, &c. are contrary hereto , or if you hnd out but any one of their Errors, you cannot be a Papift,tf you underftand their Profeflion. But it is not fo with us:for though we know that the Scripture ard all that is in it is of infallible Truth, and that every true Chriftian ( while fuch ) is infallible in the Eflfentials of Chrifti- anity • ( for elfc he were no Chriftian ) yet we profefs that we know but in part, and that our own Writings and Confeflions may poflibly in forae things be befidesthe fenfeof Scripture $ and there being much more propounded in Scripture to cur faith, then what is of abfolute necefiity to falvation, we may poffibiy after our ftudying and praying miftake in fome things that arc not of the ECfence but the Integrity ofChriltianity,and are necefTary to the Melius efo the ftrength or comfort,though not to the being of a Chriftian.So that every Error in their faith deftroyes their grounds, and fo their new Religion j but fo doth not every Error of ours. Or rofpe^kraore diftin&ly ^ let us diftinguifh between the Fides . 3. 4. A/at 24. 15. ivfi/. 1. 3. 2 77/w 3. 16. John 5 39. vtftf. 17- 2, it & 18 28. 7?(?w 15. 4. zTw. 3- 15. i/«. 8. 1 6, 20. &: 42. 4. Rom. 7. 1. fames I. 2$. Bof.S. 1 2. For thefecond,read 1 £V. 14. For the third, fee yl^f. 26, 27, 28. 1 fir. ! * 2 5 26,27,28. 1 CV. 10. 16. For the fourth, fee Ecclcf 7. 20. p4w?s 3.2. I John 1.8. PA»7. 312. Luke 11. 4. For the fifth, fee Df#t. 12, 32. GW. 3. 10. 1 John 1.4. Forthefixth, fee 1 77w. 3- 2,4, 5, 11,12. Tit. 1.6. 1 Ts'm.4 3- 1 Car 9. 5. For the fev en th, fee 1 Cor. to. 16. iCV.u.23, 26, 27, 28. v4tf- 2. 42. y4#. 20. 7. 1 1 . 2. And chat they are contrary to themfclves, appeareth : 1 . In that fas I did before,) not only feveral pcrfons, bat feveral Countries go feveral wayes • the French are of one way, and the Italians of another, even in the Fundamentals of their Faith, which all the reft isrcfolved into. 2- Their Popes have ordina- rily been contrary to one another in their Decrees ; which made Platinahy [Eollorving Popes do flill cither infringe er wholly ab- rogate the Decrees of the former Popes ~] And Erafmns faith tha c [fope John 22. and Pope Nicolas are contrary one to another in their -whole Decrees , and that in things that feem to be- long to matter of faith , Had we no inftances but of Sergius and Formofus and their following partakers, it were enough. And Celeftine* cafe puts Bellarmine to filly (hifts. 3. That their- Councils contradict each other , I have formerly manifefted. They confefs that the Ar rians have had many Councils as General asraoftever the Orthodox had ■ and if it be only the want of the Popes approbation that nullifieth their authority, then let them tell us no more of Councils and of [_alltke Church] but fay plainly that is hut one man that they mean. But even their approved Councils have been contrary \ As the fixth Council at Conftantinople approved by Pope Adrian^ is now confclTcd to have many errors. The Council of Neo* cafarea confirmed by Pope Leo 4. and by the Nicen Council (as faiih theCouncilof Florence Sef.7.) condemned fecond marriages, contrary to Scripture and the prefent Church. The Council at the Laterane under Leo the tenth determines that the A K^y for Qatholicfo. a\ the Pope is above a General Council ; and the Councils of Con- ftjnce and Bajil determine chat the General Council is above the Pope, and thac this is «fe y? J* , andics herefie to deny it. Ch a e. XII. Detect. 3. TF jeu enter into Difpute with any Papift^ enquire firfi X what he will take for J efficient Protf % and what com- mon Principles you are agreed on by which the rtfl mujl bs decided. .For men that agree in nothing at all , are not capable of a difpute. For the Principles in which they are agreed, are thofc that the reft mud be reduced to. And when you have made this enquiry, you (hall find that the Popifh way of Difputing is to forbid you to Difpute, unlefs you will firft yield the caufe to them as beyond difpute : and that they are not agreed with the reft of the world in any common principles to which the differences may be reduced for tryal, and fo that there is no fort of Proof that they will admit of as fufficient • Forif there be any ground of Proof at all , it muft be i . From the fenfes. 2. Or from Reafon. 3. Or frqni Scripture. 4. Or from the Church j but they will ftand to none of allthefe. 1. Begin at the bottom of all, and know of them whether they will take that for a Valid Proof, which isfeccht from fenfe, even from the founded fenfes of all men in the world, fuppo' • fing a convenient ob jed and Medium ? If they will not take this for Proof, how can you difpute with them ? Or what Proof can be admitted, if this be not admitted ? We have this advantage in dealing even with thofe Heathen tbathave blotted out much of the Law of nature it felf,that yet they will yield to an Argu- ment from fenfe. Bfctif they would yield to the Validity of this proof, then they give away their caufe, feeing/;*/; telleth us that it is bread which we fee,and feel,andeat after the Confecration. They know this ; and therefore they tnuft difown and deny this fore of proof. 2. But will they then admit of Proofs from Reafon ? No,thar cannot be, if proof from fenfe be not admitted. For Reafon re- '■ ceiveth its object by means or occafion of the fenfes, and muft' G needi 41 >A Key for Catholicks. needs be deceived if it be deceived .* And Reafon hath not a prin- ciple chat it holds farter, then that fenfc is to be credited; that this is whice or black which my own eyes and the eyes of all other men do fee to be fo: and fo chat this is bread which we all fce,and feel, and carte tobefo. And therefore the Papifls tell us that Reafon muft {loop to faith, thar is, they will not fond to Reafon when it contradideth the doctrine of their fed. 1 1 feems they areinfoflie parts of their Religion unreafonable. But I would know, whether they have any ReafoA to be unreafonable. If they have, then why might not our Reafon be valid as well as their Reafon which they bring againft Reason ? by which they contra- dict themfelvcs. For if Reafon be vain , why Reafon they to prove its Vanity or invalidity .'But if they have no Reafon again ft Reafonjet them confefs it, and offer us none, and then their di- lutes will do no harm. We eafily yield, that we have Reafon to believe Gods Revelations ,about thofe things which we had no Rea- fon to believe if they were not Revea'ed: And that many of thofe Revelations are above Reafon, fo far as that Reafon cannot difcern the truth of the thing without them ; yea it would rather judge the things improbable: But yet Revelations are re- ceived by Reafon, and inform Reafon,Sind not dtftroy it ; nor do they fo contraditt Senfe or Reafon , as to make that credible Which Senfe and Reafon have fufficient ground to judge falfe. So that here we muft break with a Papift, even where we might join in difpute with a heathen. And how will Papifts deal with Heathens if they will deny the proofs from fenfe and reafon ? 3 . But will they ftand to the Validity of Prooj shorn Scripture? No j For i. They take it to be but part of Gods word, fothat we may nor argue K^egatively , [ It is not in the holy Scripture : therefore it is not an Article of faith or aLarpofGod] For they will prefently appeal to Tradition, z. And even fo much as is in Scripture, though they confefs it to be true , yet they con- fefs it not to be by us intelligible, and will not admit ofany proof from it, but with this limication. that you take it in that fenfe as the Church takes it. For they are fworn by the Trent Oath[io take '* *» that fence as the Holy Mother Church doth hold, and hath held it in, and never t o take or interpret it but according to the unanimous fenfe of the Father s.~\ So that they muft know what fenfe all the Fathers are unanimous in before they can ad- mit Af\ey for Gitbolicks. 4} mil a proof from Scripture. And be r ore that can be done, above a Cart-load of books muft be read over or fearched : and when that* done.they will find that moft texts were never medled with by moftof thofe Fathers in their writings; and in thofe that they did meddle with, they difagrecdin multitudes, and where they difagree they are not unanimous •, and there the Papifts are fworn to believe no fenfe at all. And if they would have come down to a Major vote, it is no (hort or eafie matter to ga- ther the votes. And if they know the Fathers unanimous con- fent,yet mall they have the fenfe of the prefent Church too: And is it not all one to make your adverfary the fudge of jour caufe y as the fudge of jour Evidences and all jour proofs ? 4. Well, but at leaft may we not hope that chey will ftaid to the Judgement of the Catholick.C bur ch ? And if fo, we will not take it for our adverfary ? No; they will not do fo neither. For 1. When they deny proof from fenfe and reafon, they muft needs deny all that* brought from the Church : For the Church cannot judge it felf but on luppofition of the infallibility of fenfe. 2. And when you argue from the judgement and practice of the greater part of the Church, they prefently difclaim them all as Hereticks or Schifraaticks, and will have no man be a Valid wit- nefsbut themfelves. The Greeks, the ^Ethiopians, the Arme- nians, the Protcftants, all are Hereticks or Schifmaticks fave they-, and therefore may not be witncfTes in the cafe. So that you fee upon what terms we ftand with the Papifls, that will ad- mit of no proofs upon the Infallibility of Senfe or Reafon, or the fufficiencj of Scripture, or the teftimenj of the Catholic^ Church, but only from themfelves. Ch a r.XIII. Detect. 4 I 1 Nderfiand ft hat the Papifts mean when thej areflUl K-& calling t» jou for a fudge ofControvcrfecs. If you would difpute with them, they are prefently ask- ing you, Q jyho fhall be the judge ? ] and perfwading you that it is in vain to difpute without a living Judge ; for every man will be the Judge himfelf; and every manscaufe will be right in his own eyes, and all the world will be full at G 2 odds 44 A l\ey for Catholicks. odds till we are agreed who fhall be the Judge. To help you to lee the fenfe of this deceit , and then to con- fute it-, i. You may eafily obferve that this is the plain drift of all, toperfwadeyou to make them your judges, and yield the caufeinftead of disputing it. For it is no other judge but them- felves that they will admit. Yield firft that the Pope or his Coun- cil is the judge of all controverfies, and then its folly r o rlifnute againft them : fo that if you will yield them thecr.uic firftjthey •vill then difpute with you after. 2. But what istobefaid to the pretence of the Ncceffity of a Judge? lanfwer, i. Its againftall reafon and experience to chink that ail enquiries ordifputes are vain, unlefs there be a Judge to decide the cafe. A Judge is a Ruling decider •, not to iatit fie mens minds, fo much as to preferve O der,md Peace, and Juftice in the Society. But there are thouiards of cales to be privately difcuffed, that we never need to bnrgco a Judge. Every Husbandman, and Tradefman, and Navigator, and other Artificer doth meet with doubts and difficulties in his way which hclaboureth ro Difccrn, and fatisfierh himfelf with a Judge- ment ofDifcretion without a Ruling Judge. We eat.and drink, and clothe our felves, and follow our daily labours without a Judge, though we meet with controverfies inalmoftall, what meat or drink is beft for quality or quantity, and a hundred like doubts. Wen do marry, and build, and buy, and fcli, and takePhyfick,and difpatch their greateft worldly bufinefs without a Judge. Judges are only for luch controverted cafes as cm- not well bedecided without them, to the attaining of the Ends of Government. 2. Is it not againft the daily pradice of the Papifts to think or fay that all difputes and controverfies muft have a Judge?YVho is the Judge between the Nomina!?, Reals and lormalifts > the Dominicans, Francifcans and Jefuites, in all thofe conrro- verfies which have Cartloads of Books written on them ? Their Pope or Councils dare rot Judge between them. Do they not daily difpute in thnr Schools among thcmfelres without a Judge ? and (till write books againft one another without a Judg.-? 3. Underftand well the ufe and differences of Judgement. The fentence is but a means to the (xccmion: and Judges can- A I\ey for Catholic ks. 45 not determine the mind and will of man : but preferve outward Order , it' men will not feetbe truth therafelvc. Me thinks the Jefuirs that are fo eager for freewill, (hould eafily grant that: the Pope by his definition cannot determine the Will of man. And they fee that Heretickj remain Heretickj , when the Pope hath faid all that he can : And if he can cure them ail by Jiis de- terminations, be is much too blame that hedothnot. And ifa mass mind be to be fettled, an Infallible Teacher is fitter then a Judge, f ndgcmtnt then being for Execution, when you ask, Who /bill be the 'judge} I anfwer that Judgement is either total y abfolute and final : or it is only to a certain particular end, limi- ted^ndfubirdinate, from which there is an Appeal. In the former cafe, there is no Judge but Chrift, and the Father by him. No abfoluce decifion can be made till the great Judgement come; and then all will be fully and finally decided. And for the Urn ted prefent Judgements of men, they are of fever al forts, according to their feveral Ends. When the queftion is, wha (b ill be corporally puni/hedas an Heretickj the Magiftr.it e is ftdge- y For coercive puni/hment being his work, the J lament muft be his alfo. But when the queftion is, who /hall be ex.ommuni- catedas an Heretid^,as Gods Law hath cold us who in fpecie, and fo is the Rule of decifion about individuals : fo to try individual pcrfons, and cafes according to ths Law, belongs to the Gover- nors of the Church : but not to the Governours of ether Churches atboufand mi'esoff, thit never received fuch an aurhority, and are not capable or che work : but to ihzGovemoursofthe Church in which the party hath Communion , and into which he fhall at any time intrude andfeekcommunion.Andrf/Vwfwhavea fudge ment ofdifcerninr that are concerned in the Execution. So that if a disputing Papift will fay that bisbjfinefs is not to Difpute with you, but to Excommunicate, or hang, or burn you for an Heretic^, then I confefs,its all the reafon in the world chat you (hould rirft agree of the fudge. But why the Pops (hould; be the Judge,! know not, unlcfs it be in his own charge. G 3: CH A:P, 46 A Key for Catboltcks. Ch a p. XIV. Deleft. 5, X 7 \ 7 Hen you have proceeded on thefe grounds, V V the Papifts will tell you , that in their way there is an End of Controverfies, but in jours there is none : F$r if ) opt will not [land to ones Judgement as infallible , jou may dip- pute as long as yet* live before )ou come to an End. To dired ycu in difcuffing this part of the Deceit alfo •' 1. We confefs that on earth there will be no End of all controverfies among the beft : nor of the great controverfies which falvation lyeth on, between the believers and the unbelievers •• that is, there will be Aill Infidelity and Herefie in the world , and errour in the godly themfelves. 1 . Hath it not been f in every age till now ? And why (hould we expect that it ftiould row be other wife ? 2 . Doth not Paul tell us that here we knew but in part s and prophejie in part ? and when is it that that which is imperfeel -will be done away, but when that -which is perfett is come ? While we know but in part,we (hall differ in parr. 2.Hath your way put an End to controverfies any more then ours ? Are you not yet at controverfie with Infidels, Whether Chrift be the Redeemer. and with Heretickj -whether he be true eter- nail God ? Are you not yet as full of controverfies among your felves,asany Chriftians on the face ofthe earth? I do not believe but in the many Volumes of your Schoolmen,Cafuifts,and Com- mentators,! can fhew more controverfies yetdepending.then you can find amongft any fort of Chriftians in the world jyea then you can find among all other Chriftians in the world fet together. 3. And i$ there any thing in jour -way that better tendcth to the deciding of controverfies then in ours ? Nothing at all ^ but contrarily, you have made more Controverfies then you have ended. For, 1 . We have a Certain infallible Rule to decide our controverfies by, even fuch as you confefs your felves to be in- fallible; Even the Holy Scriptures : but you have an uncertain Ru!e,even the Decrees of your Popes and Councils, and the ma- ny Volumes of the Fathers,which are at odds among tbemfelves ; your very Rule is felf-contradifting, and your Judges are toge- ther by the ears ( as hath been {hewed. ) 2* Our Faith confifteth in thofepoincs which are granted by your A I^ey jor Qatholicks. 47 your felves j and fo are beyond Controverfie between us and you » Buc/e/ir/lye:h alfo in a mixture of mens corruptions, which will ever be controverted and condemned. 3. Oar Faith confifteth in the few ancient Articles by which the Church was alwayes known ( as to its efTentials. ) Bat you confound the EjfentUls with the integrals : and the lumber of your necefTiry Articles is fo great , as muft needs.be matter of more controverfie then ours. 4. We know our Religion, and where to find it • For it is per- fect at the firft, andreceivethno additions or diminutions. One generation cometh, and another goeth,but the word of the Lord cndure:h forever. But you never know when you have all , be- caufe you know not when your v Pope will have done defining: that is an article of faith tojou one year that was none the year before nor ever before. 5. We seed no Judge to decide any controverfies among us in the points of Abfolute neceffity to falvation : both becaufe the Scripture is fo plain in thofe points , as to ferve for decifion without a Judge-, and becaufe we abhor to make a controve fie of any of therR; and where there is no centrover/ic, there needs no Judge. We are all agreed, through th*? plainnefs of the Scripture, that there is but one, Eternal, moit Wife, and Good, and Omnipotent God- and that there is one Mediator between God and man, who is himfelf both God and man, that was crucified, dead, buried, went to «WW, rofe again, afcen- ded.imercedeth for us, and is King and Head of the Church.* and will raife the dead, and judge the world, forne to Heaven, and fome to Hell : Thefe and all the reft of the EfTentials of our faith, and many more points that are not efTentials, are fo plain in Scripture that we are part making them matter of Controverfie. If any man deny an EfTcntial point of faith , he is none of u«, no more then of you. But you are it feems fo deep in infidelity, that vou muft have a judge to decide your Controverfies in the necefTiry Articles of Faith. For whatever is defide,you msketo be of fuch equal neceffity, that you deride our diftinguifhing the Fundamentals from the reft, (asmaybefeen in Knots Infi- delity unmaskt agiinft Cbillingmrtk ) Serioufly tell us , Do you think Chnftians need a Judge , or muft put it to a Judge to de- cide, whether [hrifl be the MrjpAS or not ? whether he dud and rofi 4^ a Jfyyfor Catbolicks. rofe again sr not } whether he vi.'l judge the rror/d or net? or any fuch points. If he be a Judged muft have power to oblige you to fund to his Determination on which fide ibever he deter- mine. And \rhat if John 22 determine that the foul is not im- mortal, or John 23. that there i> no refurre&ion or life to come, but a man dieth like a beaft : would you {land to this decifion ? 6. If you fay that your Judge hath power to oblige you on- ly on one fide, that is, when he judgeth right (and fo make no Judge of him, but a Teacher) we have fuch Judges as well as you,even Teachers to fhew us the Evidence of truth. 7. If you fay that you have a Judge to determine of herefes in order to the Vumjhing of them b) the /word : So have we as well as you , and better then you. For your Pope is a Prieft that hath nothing to do with the fword, Cat lead out of his own Principa- lities) : but our Princes and other Rulers are lawful Magiftrate?, thn are appointed to be a terror to evill doers, Rom. 1 3 . 4, 6. 8. If you fay that you have a Judge to determine of here fie in Order to Excommunication ,fo have we in every Church-'even the Paftors of the Churches, who are bound to unite and aflift each orher in fuch works, what is to be accounted Here fie ,the Law of God fufficiently determineth : Andwhat particular perfons are to be Judged heretic kj and excommun cated according to that Law, the particular Paftors that are on the place can better decide then a Pope that is a thoufand , or five thoufand miles off, and cannot hear the witnefles. And do you not your felves decide almoft all fuch cafes through the world ( that is of your fubje- dion) by the prefent Paftors or Bifhops, and not by the Pope ? And why may not we do fo then as well as you ? 9. But if you lay all upon your Popes or Councils Infallibi- lity, I defire you but to read my third Difputatiou in a Book againft Popery, called the Safe Religion-, and then believe that Infallibility if you can. I ihould think my felf a miferable man, if I were not my felf more Infallible then many of your Popes have been. Every Chriftian ( while fuch ) is infallible in his belief of the Chriftian faith ; And the Scripture is an infal- lible ground of our belief. 10. Is it not a plain Judgement of God upon you, that while you make the Scripture fo dark and not intelligible , and AL^eyfor Qatholkks. 49 andcry upthe Neceftity of a living Judge, you fhouli not only ("warm with differences among your felvcs , but fhould be utterly difagreed, and at a lofs to know whouthu fudge of Controverts, one faying it is the Pope , and another that its the Council ; and what the better are you for faying, There mufl be a Judge % as long as you cannot tell Who it mujl be } Its not only uncertain among you whether I 'ope or Ceuncill be the Infallible fudge , but alfo which is a true Pope, and which is a lawfull Cje- neralfiuncil} For fourty years at Icaft together, the Church could not know the true Pope, but the more learned and con' fcionable men were divided : Nor is it known to this day. Fre- quently the Orongeft hath carried it, and fuccefs been his beft title. Nay General Councils themfclves knew not the right Pope. The Council at Conftance and Baft I knew not the right Pope. They of Safil thought Felix the fifth the truePope, and Eugenius no Pope • But friends and ftrength confuted a Gene- ral Council, and proved depofed Eugenius the Pope. And for Councils thcmfelves,who knows which to take for currant and of Authority? What Catalogues have you of reprobated Councils* and of doubt full Councils ,and partly approved, partly reprobate , and who knows which and how far \ but only that is approved , that pleafeth the Pope , and that reprobate that difpleafed him, and yes perhaps approved by a former Pope: So that you are all in a confufion and uncertain about your true Popes and Ge- neral Councils. And if you knew them, yet what aloft are yon atjtoknow their Decrees and Canons ? What a Fardel of falfe Decrctall Epiftles have you thruftupon the world, as Blondell/Dalleus , Reiguolds and others have fully proved. Forfooth decretals thatufeatranflationof the Scripture that was formed a long time after the death of the fuppofed Authors of thofeEpiflles : And Decretals which make mention of perfons and things that were many fcore or hundred years after the death of the faid Authors. Thefe are your new Scriptures, and by thefe our faith muft be regulated, and our comroverfies decided. And your Canons are abundance of them as urxcrtain : fomc of your own will have but twenty Canons of the firft General Council at Nice : fome will have the new found rabble of additi- ons. Much more uncertainty or certain forgery there is in the H Canons }0 ^K§y for Catholkh. Canons called the Apoftles : and the like we may fay of abun- dance more. And now I appeal to all the impartial Reafon in the world, whether your voluminous , apocriphal , urccrtain faith thac reeds a living Judge, and cannot find one, or agree upon him, and that leaves your controversies ftill undecided, be a liker way to peace and unity, then our (hort and plain Articles and infallible Scripture faith , that hath lefs matter of contenti- on , and better means to prevent it, even faithful Teachers and fudges in every Church and Commonwealth , which Hull fo far determine as may preferve the peace of thofe focieties, leva- ing the final full Decifion of all to the Eternal Judge that is even ac the door. ii. Yea and is not Gods hand of Judgement yet more ob- iervableagainftyou, that when your Popes and Councils have paft their judgement, the feveral Seds are unable to under- hand them? witnefs the late fentenceagainft the Jmfenifts, of which the perfons that fcem to be condemned, fay, that there is nofuch thing or words in all fanfenius wrirings. as the Pope Jaith are in him, and condemneth as his I and the C omrovei fie is as far from a decifion, as if the Pope had htl J his peace. Yea your great Difputer here in England Thomas White the Novelifr, is the fame for all the Popes determination. - Take another inftancc in the for^mentioned Cafe, whether the Tope or Council be fufream : The Councils of Conftance and Ba- ftl determined it one way as de fdc, and yet thac made no end of the Controverfie. The Council of Lateran and Pope Leo de- termined it the other way ; and yet it is a Controverfie after two contrary decifions : and fome fay one way, and fomethe othe •• and fome fay, It is yet undecided C for fear of angring the French by carting themoff as Hereticks. ) Another infiance. The Council at BtftlSejf. 36. {fag 80. in Bimins) hath fully u may hill thefalfe witneffes which the p r ofecutor brings ; And Tanner us and Emanuel Sa, that yon may kill both witneffes and judge which conff-ire the death ofan,m>:ocent per fen.] But fo think.not the Jan- fenifts. Henriquez faith [one man may kill another who hath given him . a box on the ear, though he run away for it, provided he do it not out of hatred or revenge, and that by that means a gap be open for ex- ctffive murther, deftrutlive to the State, tsfnithe reafon is, a man may as well do it inpurfuance of his rcpattlion, as his good:; and , he that hath had a box, on the ear isaccounttd difborseurable till he hath hilled his enemy."] And A^orius faith, Is it lawful I for a per- fon of quality to kill one that would give him a box on the ear, or a . bang with afticl^ ? fomtfay not But, ot hen affirm it lawfully ani A I\cy for Catholkks. 61 ar.dfor mj part 1 thinb^k probable, when it cann:t be Avoided ether' wife : For if it were not, the reputation o-' innocent perfons were /fill expefed to the infslcncy of the malicious, ,] fag. 142, 1 43 , ) 44. many other are of the i'line mind , in Co much tine Father Lffius faith f/r is lawfully bj thtconfent of all Cafuijh, to kjll him that irould qive a box on the ear, or aklAV with a flic l^, when a man cannot otlocrwife Avoid it p. 145. .Father Boldellus faith It is lawful I 10 iyllhim that faith toyou\_thoa ljc(l}ifa man can>iot right himfelf otherwife. | And Lcfftus latch [_If you endeavour to mine my reputation bj opprobrious fpeeches before tcrfons of honour, and that J cannot avoid them otherwife then by hilling yon , may I doit ? According to moAern Authors I may •> nay though the crime yon lay to my- charge be inch M) I am really guilt) of,itb:ing fupptfedto have been fo fecretlj committed ,1 hat you cannvt difcover it by ways ofjttftice. Tis proved if when yon would take away my reputation by giving me a box on the ear, it is in my power to prevent it by force oftvms, the fame defence is certainly lawfully •when yon would dome the fame injury with y-ur tongue- B 'fides , a man may avoid the affrtnt of thofe whofe ill language he cannot hinder. /« a word, htnour is more pr scions then life, bat a mm maj kill in defence of his life, ergo, he may kill in defence of his hsnsttr^ vag. 146. But the J.inienills are againlt all this. Efcombar faith, that regular ly it is lawfnllto kjll amznfor the value of a crown, according to Molina, p. 151. Father Amicus faith [ It is law full for a Church- man. or a Religious man tok^ll A.detratler that threatens to divulge the fctndal.us crimes of his community or himfclfwhen there is no oth r me«ns left to hinder him from doing it, as if he be readj to fcattcr his calumn es, if nn fud- denly difpatched optt of the wajj p. 15 2, 1 5 3 . And Caramcvel in his Fundamental rheologie tikes it for cerrain, and thence concludes, '. hat [_a Priefl not only may kill a detraclor en certain occafions , but fometimes ought to do h And ye: the pecvifh Janfeniit believctn none of this. But I muft ftop : you may read in the faid Janfenians Myfteric of Jefuicifm, a volurnn offuch pafTagesof the Je!uire«,ai owing men to give and receive the Sacrament when they tomctbac day from Adultery : and allowing a man to eat and drink as much as he can with his health; and difcharging men from a Ncccflity of Loving God, un!efs it be once in thtrir lives, or as I 3 oibecs, 6i J^Ksy for Catholich* others fay, upon Holy-daies, or as Hurtado de Afendc^a, once ayear,oras^o»/»^, once in three or four years, or as Henri- (juez., once in five years, or as Anthon. Sirmond, not at all, fo we do not hate him, and do obey his other commands , with abun- dance more. Now Reader I would here leave it to thy consideration, whether all thefe differences among the Papifts are fo fmall as co be no matters of faith. And I intreat you to read over the forementioned Book, (the Myfterie of Jefuitifm) and then judge whether Papifts or the Reformed Cathoiicks are more at unity among themfelves. Well 1 but fuppofe the loving of God, the avoiding murder, bribery, and the like, be no matter of faith at Rome, yec 1 have not done with them fo. I defire to know whether the holj Scrip- ture be matter of faith or net? They dare not deny but it is. Well 1 and what is the Scripture, but the words m figna, and the fenfe or matter m res Jignificata > And are the Papifts agreed among themfelves about either of thefe? no: For the words, its well known how fomeofthe beft Learned of them have flood for the preheminence of the Hebrew and Greek Texts : and others, and the moft, for the vulgar Latine. And that vul- gar Latine Translation hath been altered and altered again by them. And after many others comes VopeSixtttf the fife, and makes it fo compieat, that the Church is required to ufc his Edition -, yet after him comes Pope dement the eighth and mends it in many hundred, if not thoufand places, and im poles this upon the Church ; which of thefe Popes was Infallible ? I urn fure they much differ in their Translation*. And for thc/?»/*offcripture, though men muft fwear to take Scripture in the Churches fenfe, yet will not any Pope or Council to this day, tell us the fenfc of them, either by giving us an in- fallible Commentary t or by deciding the many thoufand differen- ces that are among their Commentators. Do not all thefe Com- mentators forfwear themfelves, having fworn (thofc that lived fince the Council of Trent) to expound Scripture in the fence of the Church, and only according to the unanimous confent of the Fathers. And why doth not the Pope decide thefe controverts ? feingie is their happinefs to have fucha Judge of Controversies to keep them all of a mind ? But A f\ey for Catholic h* (Sj But perhaps they will fay, that allthefe Scriptures hemt mat' ten of faith. No / where are wc then ? what is matter of faith ifScripturebenot? And if all be nor, how (hill we know which is? But at Icaft , tell us, Is no one of all thofemany hun- dred or thoufand Texts which your Commentators differ about any matter of Faith? If not, then fure you have no Faith. If it be, then furcly the Papifts differ among therafelves in matters of Faith. It is not a few Texts that Lyras exeepter and Bftrgenfis differ about, to name no more. And of the fore- /"aid Editions of the Bible by Pope Sixtus,tnd Clement, fee Dr. fame's Bellnm Papale, vel Concordia difcors. Ch ap. XVI. Deteft. 7. T> Y what hath been faid, you may difcern hot* t$ X_y deal with them, when they would indujtrioujly con- found the Ejfentials ani the Integral parts of our Faith', lot this is another of their juglings. They cannot endure to hear us diftinguifh the fundamentals ( chat is, the Ejfentials ) of our Religion from the reft : and therefore they call out to us for a Catalogue of our fundamen- tals j and would perfwade us that whatfoever is matter of faith, is of Necefllty to falvation to be believed, and thofe are dam- nable Hereticks that deny them, and therefore we muft not mike any fuch difference. Sec Knot again ft Chil/ingworth. Their delign in this is to perfwade peop'e that the world muft be whol- ly of their mind in matters of faith,or elfe they cannot be faved. And by this trick they would prove that theProteftantsand many other Churches are all Hereticks, and therefore have no place in General Councils, and are no parts of theCatholick Church. But let us confider how judicioufly they proceed. 1. Wemuftdefire the Papifts to tell us whether Chriftianity bz any thingor nothing? If any thing, it hath its EfTcnce.-and 2. Whether this EfTence of Chriftianity be Knowable or not ? If nor, then they cannot know a Chrithan from another : and they cannot know the Church from other Societies. If it be knowable, then its EfTence muft needs be knowable. 3. And we would be informed by them, whether all true ChriiUans io the 64 A l{cy for Catholic ks. the world are of the fame Oarore or degree of knowledge and cxplicire belief ? If they be, then there'* no difference betu-crn Fathe-s nnd Babe*, Strong and Weak, Pricft and People ^ and then the Jefuices have no more Knowledge or Faith then the f-mpldt woman of their Church : but if there be a difference, then 4. We would know whether the Effencc of Chriftianity be vjsryed according to thefe degrees. If fo , then there arc as ma- ny forts of Chnfthnity rn the world, as there be degrees or" Faith ; which they have more wit, I fuppofe, then to affirm. If not, then the Efftnce of Chriftianity isdiftinguifhable from the Integrity or fuperadded Degrees, which is the thing that we con- tender. 5. We defirealfo to know whether the Apodles did not go on to teach their people more, after they had made them Chriflam, in a ftate of falvation. And whether the Prieirs, Fry- ers, and Jcfuits will give men up, and teach them nothing more when they have made them Cbnftians. I know they will fay, There's more to be taught. And if fo, then the Effentials of Chriftianity are diftinguiiliable from the Integrals or Degrees. 6. Aad we would know elfehow they will underftand that in Hf£. 5. 1 0,1 1 ,12,1 4. ar.d6.i,2. [ For when for the time ye ought to be Teacher 3^ ye have need that «ne teach you again nhich be the firft principles of the Oracles of God, and are become fuch as have need of mi/l^and not ef ftroxg meat' For every one that ufcth mil\ is unskilful in the Vcord of righteoufnefs, for he is a bah. But firoKg meat belongetk to them that are of full age, who by reafon of ufe have their fenfes exerciftd to difcern good and evil : therefore leaving the Principles of the dotlrine of Chrift, let ui go on to fer- fettion, not laying again the foundation , &c. ~\ Tell us now whe- ther the Apoftle do not here diftinguilh between babes and flrong men; milk and itrong meat •, the principles or foundati- on and perfection ? 7. And we would know of them whether all that is Revealed by God be of abfolute Ncceflity to every mansfalvation that do or may hear it ? If fo, then no man can be faved that knoweth not all that God hath revealed; and then no one in the world can be faved • for here we know but in part. And their own Commentators differ about the word of God, wh:ch flieweth that they are imperfect in the Knowledge of its fenfe. And their Pope knows ic not, or elfe he is (hamefully to blame, that will not tell it the world, and reconcile his Com-,- men- At\eyfor Qathollcks. fy memators and Difputers . Bat if all revealed be not of Abfoiutc Neceffity, then we may have leave to diftinguifti between points abfoluely Neceffiry, and the reft, 8 . And we would know whe- ther all fhill be damned, that know not as much as the moft Learned anJ Wife? if nor, thenflillwc may hive leave to di- ftinguifti. 9. Further we demand, whether any ignorance or error that is culpible, will ftand with Charity and Salvation ? If not, then who (hall be faved ? If yea ; then we may ftill diftin- guifti the points of AbfoluteNeceflity from the reft. 10. We demand alfo, whether the whole holy Scripture be the word of God ? If (o f then whether we ought not to believe it all as far as we can underftand it ? And if Co t whether it be not all, de pde matter of Faith ? If not, they muft tell us, what part of Gods word is to be believed, and what not. If yea ; then cer- tainly men may err de pU in points of Faith , and yet have Charity, and be faved : as their difagrecing Commentators, Cafuifts andSchooImc.ido. 11. We wcu!d know whether the matters t hit their Divines are difagreed in, be Revealed by God, or things unrevealed? If not revealed, do they not defer ve to bekicktoutof the world, for troubling the world fo with un- revealed things r If they be Revealed, are they not Revealed to be believed, and (ozredefidei 12. And we would know whe- ther there be not fome things EJfential to true Obedience, and fome things not EflTcncial? If not, then no (inner hith fincerc Obedience, andean be faved .If yea ; then why may not the fime be (aid of faith? 13. Alfo we would know, when they baptize the Adult, whether they require any profeflion of the faith from them or not? If not, tbeymayas well baptize In- fidels or Heathens. If they do, then what is that profeftion? Is it a profeftion of every particular truth that GoJ hath re- vealed to be believed ? No Aire ; for then none but Doftors muft be baptized. Nor they neither. Or is it a profefsion of fome particular Truths only? If of fome only, why of thofe more then the reft, if they be not thjEfTentialsdiftinguiftiablcfrorn the reft? And do they make men true Chriftians by baptizing them, or not? If they do, then fure the Baprifmal faith muft contain all that is EfTential to Chriftianity. 14. We defire alfo to be informed by them, what is the ufe of the Churches Creed, and why they have ufed frequently to make confefsion of their K faith: 66 A fyyfor CdthQltcks* faith r Was it not the whole faith Efltntial to Chriftianity which they confcft ? I f not, then it was not fit to be the badge of the Church ^ or of the Orthodox : if yea • then it feems thofe Creeds had in them the effentials diftirguifhed from the reft. 15. we would know whether every thing delivered or defined by any General Council, beof fueh ncccflity tofalvation,that all muft explicitly believe them all that will be laved ? If fo, then whecher any Papift can be faved, feeing they underftand them not all ? If nor, then Aire a diftin&ion muft be made. 16. Andwe would know how they can countenance ignorance fo much as they do, if all things revealed be of equal ncccility roiajvation. ij. And what mean they to diftinguifti ot Im- plicit and Bxplicite faith ? Is it enough to believe as the Church believes, and not know what in any particular? then it is not. i/e, (bc\ll net be ksftfrom the Sacrament, doth it prove them all in a Hate of death? If Btllarminc confefs that the fixth General Council at ConftantintfJc have many errors, doth it follow that the Catholick Church reprefentativc was in a damnable (late Hf the fecond Council at Nice maintain the corpcreitj of dngeh, and the firft Council at the Latarane maintain the contrary, doth it follow that one of them was in a ftate of death ? I think not : (though I am Aire it proves a General Council fallible , when approved by the Pope, and therefore Popery a deceit.) *Bellarmine fometime tells uiof the change of his own mind. And the Retractations of Anflin ($. better man) tell us of the change ef his mind in many things ; And yet it fol- lowed not that he was in a ftate of death and unjuftiHed before. Object. Sfit all that is dc fide is tfNtceJpiy to the Salvation •j '[owe, though not of all. Anfw. I. If that be granted, yet you muft grant ui leave to diftinguifh between Points necefTiry to be believed by all , and points that are not thus neceflary to all. 2. But in what cafe is it that you mean, that other points are of Neceffi ty to fome ? i - Is it to thofe feme that know them to be of Divine Revelation ? weeafily grant you that: But that is notbecaufethe7A>^themfelves are fimply ncceflfiry to Sal- vation, bot becaufe a Belief of Cods veracity ,and the Truth of all that be Revealeth in general, is of neceflity : and he that Be- lieveth that God ii True (verax) cannot chufe but believe all' to be True which he knows God revealeth. He that thinketh. God to be a Lyar, io one word.doth not believe his ver achy ; and ■ fo hath no Divine faith at all. And thcrcforeyou need not fear left any one fliould be guilty of not bclicyiog that which they know A I\ey for Catbolkks . 69 know is the word of God, but thofe chat take God to beaLyar, and that is thofc that take him not to be God , and fo are Athe- ifts. Butftillthe thing of Abfoloce neceflicy is but firft to believe in General that God is true in all his word, fecondly and to believe the truth of the eflfential points of Chriftiaruty in particular (embracing the Good propounded in them.) Now its true thu fecondanly all known Truths are of nccefiity to be believed, beciufc elfc our General belief of Gods veracity is not fincere. But yet wc muftfay that anrecedently even to thac perfon,thefe luperadded truths were not of Neceffity to his Sal- vation to be believed, beeaufe they were not of fucii Necefsity to be Known; and if they had not been known, you would fay your felves there had not been fuch Necefsity of Believing them. But if you go further, and fay, thar all that tvert obliged to \noyv tbtm , or that had opportunity jr the Revelation f the truth, and jet did not, «nd thereupon deny them culpably, Are in a (jute nf death \ I deny that, and (hall prove it falfe. Its true, thnt a reilfnll rcfufing the Lig ht, beeaufe men love darS^e/s rather then light. , is a certain fign of a gracelefs wretch. Bat evirj culpable igHt- ranccand unbel ef is not Damning ignorance or unbelte c . 1 . Otherwile no man fhould befaved : For no man is void of culpable ignorance>and consequently ofcu l pab!e unbelicf.Had we never been wanting in the ufc of mcans,ihert's no man but might have known more then he doih.ls there any one cf you tbar. dare refufe to ask God forgivenefs of your ignorance, unbelief, or the negligence that is the culp3b'ecaufe of them, or that dare fay, you need no pirdon of them ? 2. If you plead for venial fin, how can you deny a venial unbelief upon venial ignorance? But then I pray you learn more wit and piety, 1 . then to fay that your venial unbelief or fin is no fin, fave as Analogically fo called- or 2. thentofayitdeferves a pardon, or deferver not cverlalling punifhment. But if you will caH it venial, beeaufe being confident with the true Love of God and habitual Holinefs,and faring faith, the Law of Grace doth pirdonir, and not condemn men for it, thus we would agree with you that there is veniallfin •, but then you mud yield us that there is venial unbelief. 3, And wceafily prove all this from chc Law of God. If K3 is 7o *A Key for Cathdkks. is the nature of the preccpcive pare to conftitute Duty only, and the violation or" that is fin : But it i$ the fenction, the promife and threatning that Determines of the Reward and Penalty: Now it is only the old Law of works that makes the Threatening as large as the prohibition, condemning man for every fin .♦ but fo doth not the Law of Grace. The precept fhll commandeth Perfect obedience, and fo makes is a duty ; but the promife maketh not perfect obedience the condition of Sal- vation ; but Faith, Repentance and fincere Obedience, though imperfect. The Law of Nature ftill makes evcrlafting Death due to every fin: But it is fuch a Due as hath a Remedy at hand provided and offered in the Gofpel ; and is actually rerae- dyed to all true believers. So that as it is not every fin that will damn us, though damnation be due to ic ( becaufe we have a prefent Remedy \ ) fo it is not every culpable ignorance or unbelief that will damn us, though ic deferve demnation, becaufe the Gofpel doth not only not damn us for ir, but pardons it , by acquitting us from the condemnation of the Law. All this may teach you , not only to mend your abominable doctrine about Mortal and veniall fin, but alfo io difcern the reafon why a man may deny fome points of faith thatarenotoftheeflenceof Chriftianity,and yet not be damned for it, becaufe the Law of Grace doth not condemn him for it, though he be culpable, becaufe the Law of Grace may command further then it peremptorily condemneth in cafe of difobedience. Ic is the Promife that makes faith the Condition of Life, though it be the Precept that makes it a duty : Now it favethnotas a performed Duty directly, (becaufe the precept gives not the Rewardj but as a performed Condition : And there- fore unbelief condemneth not effectually as ameer fin directly \ but as fuch a fin as is the violation or non-performance of chat condition. But it is noc * belief of every thing that is prece- ptively de fide, which is made the condition of life. Chap. A t\ey for Catbulicks. 7 1 Chap. XVII. DeteB.S. A Notber of their Juglings is, toextoll tht ]udge- l\ ment of the Catholic^ Church as that which mufl be the ground of faith , and the decider of all Controverfies '. And to this end they plead againft the fufficiency of Scripture, and bend all the force of their arguings and defigns, as if all their hope lay in this point, and as if it were a granted thing thjst the day if theirs, and we are loft, if the Catholick Church be ad- mitted to be the Judge. Hence it is that they cry cutagainll private faith and opinions , and call men to the faith of the Church, and perfwade the poor people, that the Church is for them, and we are but branches broken off. Well, we are content to deal with them at their own weapon, and at that one in which they put their truft. For our parts we know that the true Catholick Church ( nor any member of it, in fenfu Comfefito) cannot err in any of the Effcntu's of Cbriitianky ( for then it would ceafe to be the Church : ) But we have too much reafon to Judge that it is not free from errrorin lefTer things, But yet for all that in:he main caufe between the Papifts-and us, we refufe not their judgement. Nay we turn this Canon againft the Canonecrs , and eafily prove that the Papiits caufe is utterly loft, if theOiholick Church be Judge. Bttt is it the Ancient Church ,or the frefent Church that mufl decide the caufe ? Well 1 It (hail be which you w»ll. For the molt Ancient Church in the Apoftlesdayes ,,weare altogether of its belief, and.itand.toitsdecifion in all things-; and if you -prove we miftake them in any thing, we fhall gladly receive inftru&ion and be reclaimed. To them we appeal for our Effemials and In* tegrata And for force following ages, we will be tryed by them in the- articles of our faith,and in the principal c jntroverfies we have with the Pa p.fts. Tea, but this lyill not ferve their turn : It is the Ifrefcnt r htirch that mufi judge or none : For fay they , if the ancient Church had power, fohath the freftnt ; and if the ancient Church had. pofftf- fion of the truth , how (hall we know it but bj the prefent f V anfwer, i. Wcmay know it by the Record* of thofe times far furer 7X Al^ejforCatholicks. furer tbeaby the reports of men wi;hout writing; Conrrover- fies or numerous myHerious points arcforrily carryed in the memories, efpeciallyof the moft. even of the Teachers. And for the Record?, one diligent skilfull man will know more then ten thoufand others. One Bdror.ius, Alb *{}'%* a»s t Petty us , among the Papifts, and one Vfber, Blondell.SulmafiMs, Gdtakjr, &c. among the Prote(Unts, knew more of the mind of an- tiquity , then a whole Country btfides, or perhaps then fomc Generall Councils. 2. Well/ but if you appeal to the greater number, to them (hall you go. You mull be tried by the prefent Church ; Why then you are condemned. Is it the lefTer number ,or the great- er, or the better that mud be judge ? You will not fay thclef- er,asfuch: If you do, you know where you are. If you fay, the Better part (hall be judge : who (hall be Judge which ii the Better part? we arc ready to prove the Reformed Churches the Better part : and if we do not ,wc will give you the day, and lofe our caufe. But I fuppofe you will appeal to, the Greater part. Content I Then the world knows you are loft. The Greeks, Mofcovites, Armenians, AbaiTincs.and all other Churches in Aft 4 1 AfricA and Europe arc far more then the Papifts t and your own pens and mouths tell us that thefe are againft you. Many of them curfe you as Hereticks or Schifmaticks ; the reft of them know you not,or refufe your government.They all agree againft your Popes univerfallHeadftiip or Soveraignty, and fo againft the very form of your new Catholick Church •* So that the world knows the Judgement of the far greateft part of Chrifti- ans on earth to be againft you in the mam,fo that you fee what you get by appealing to the Catholick Church. But I know you will fay .that all thefe arc Schifmaticks, or He* reticks,and none of the Catholick Church: But they fay as much by you.fome of them, and all of them abhor your charge ; and how do you prove it ? and who (hall be Judge whether they,, or you be the Catholick Church ? You tell us of your fucceffion, and ofrwenty tales that are good, if you may be Judges your felves;but fo do they fay as much which is good if they be Judge*. When we offer to difputc our cafe with you, you ask us wha Jhall be Jnd^e, and tell us the Catholick, Church mttfi be Judge : But who (hall be Judge between you and them which is the Ca- tholick A Key for Qatholkks. n tholick Church ? you will nor let us be Judges in our own caufc, and why then (hould you ? Are we Protcftants the Ifjfer number as to you ? fo are you to al! the relt that are againft you. And what reafon have we to let the lejfer number Judge over the Greater ? If ftill you fay, becaufeyou are the Better, let that be firft tryed •, but no reafon you (hould there alfo be the Judges. So that the cafe is plainly come to this, Either the Papijls muji fraud to the Greater number, and then the controverfie is at end : or they mud (haroefully fay, we mil not difpute with you,mleft wc may be the fudges our felves, though the fewer. Or elfe they mutt lay by the r talk of a Judge, and difpute it equally with us, by producing their cvidecce,which we arc ever ready for. Chap. XVIII. Dctetl. 9. ~ TH E moft common and prevalent Deceit of the A Papifts is. bj ambiguous terms to deceive thofc that cannot force them to dijlir.guijh, and to make jou believe they mean one thing, when they mean another , and to mock^ you with cloudy words. I (hail here warn you to look to them therefore efpecially in three terms, on which much of their controverfies lies, that is, the words Church, rope, and Council. For there*! but few underftand what they mean by any one of thefc words. i* When you come to difpute of the Church with them, fee that you agree firft under your hands of the Definition of that Church of which you difpute. And when you call them to De- fine it, you will find them in a wood, you will little think how many feverall things it it that they call [ the Church :] For example, fomctime they mean the *hele Bocy, Paftorsand Peoplt : but more commonly they mean only the Pafiors. which are the far fmalleft part. And fometime they mean the Church Reallund fometimesonly the Church Reprefentative, as they call it in a Ge- ncrall Councill. But whether they mean the Paftors or People, they exclude all faving the Pope of his fubjedb, and fo by the [ rA&]mean but a fartorfttl. Sometime in the Queftion L about 74 A Ksyf or Catholicks* about Tradition, fome of the French take the [Church] for the community , (ai fathers deliver the do&rine of Chrift to their childrenjC^fOAnd fometime they take it in its Political! fence, for a holy fociety,cor,fiftingofa vifible Head and members : But then they agree not of that Head, fome fetcing the Pope highift, and fome the Council/. But frequently they take the word \Church~\ for the fuppofed Head alone , as in moft queftions about Infallibility, Judging of Controverfies, expounding Scriptire, keeping of Traditions, defining points of faith, &ci Tbey fay , The Church muft do theft : but commonly they mean the fuppofed Head. And one part mean a General! founcilhmu the Jefuites and Italians,ar.dpredominant part do mean only the Pope : fo that when they talk of the whole Catholick£hurch,m& call ^ou to its Judgement, andboaftofits Infallibility (you would littfa think it^they mean all this while but one poor fwfull man: and fuch a man as fometime hath been more unlearned then many of your fchool boys of twelve or fourteen years of age ^ and fometime hath been a Murderer, Adulterer, and (if General Councils, or the common vote may be believed) an Here- tick, an Jnfidel, an Incarnate Devil. This man is their Church, as Gretfer^Btllarmine ,and the reft of that drain profefc. So that if you do but force them to define and explain what they mean by the Church, you will either caufe them to open their nakednefs, or find them all to pieces about the very fubjed oftheDifputc- 2. So alfo when they ufe the name of [^ Pepsin difputation, make them explain themfelves, and tell you (in a Definition). what they mean by [_a Popef] For, though you would think this term were fufficicntly undcrftood, yet you (ball find them utterly at a lofs, and all to pieces about it. Let us confider diftindly of the Efficient, Matter, and Form. i. As to the efficient caufe of their Pope, there muft concur a Divine Jnftitu- tion {'which they can no where (hew^ and a call from man {& Nemo dat quod »o» habet, what man or men have power to make a Head to the Catholick Church.) But whether they will call ic an Efficient Caufe t ot only zCatifa fine qua n»n y Election and Ordinatitn muft go to make a Pope. Now either they mil put thefc into their Definition* or not. l(nor, know of them whether 4 msii without ElehionttdOrdinatien may be Pope: If fo, what A %ey for Qatholicks. 7 5 wakes him one f If'ToffrJJion, then he that can conquer Rome, and fie down in the chair is Pope ; If not pojff/fi 'on, what then? and why may not any man fay, I am Pope ? well : but doubtlefs they will tell you that Election, or Ordination,or both, is Neccffary. If fo, then firft for Eletlien, is it NecefTiry to the being of a Pope, than fome certain perfonsElett who have the Power, or will anj Sleclors ferve whofoever? If any will ferve, then every Monaftery or every Panfli may choofeaPope: If there muft be certain Au- thorized Ele&ors, fee that thole be named in the Definition : or at leaft declared. And then firft know whether thefe Eleclors are imporvered to that work by Divine LaW, or bj Httmane : If by Divine, let them (hew it if they can. In Scripture they can never find who mult choofe the Pope. And their Tradition (if that were a Di vine law) hath no fuch precept, as appeareth by thealterntions and divers waye*. And if it be but by a Humane Eccle/iajica/l Canon, then it fecms the Papacy is fo t< o : for the Power received can have no higher a caufe then the Power giving or authorizing. 2. When you come to know who thefe Electors muft be, you open their nakednefs For fir ft if they fay,lt muft be thtCariinals, ask them, where then was the Pope when there were no Cardi- nals in the world ? And whether that were a Pope or not that was chofen by the whole Romane Clergie} or whether thofc were Popes or not that were chofen by the People ? Or thofc that were chofen by the Emperours ? or thofc that were chofen by Councillt ? If they tell you thac it muft be the Romane Clergie ; Know whether the Cardinals be the whole Romane Clergie , who are Biftiops of other Churches, or whether they arc not meerly Titular, at leaft many of them ? And whether the People, the Council, or the Emperours were the Romane Clergy ? If they would pcrfwadeyou, that either the people, or the Empcrour,or Council did not ele& the Pope, but only fhew whom the Ro- mane Clergy fhould ele&, interpofing exorbitantly fome un- juft force, with the Due Ele&ion, then all currant Hiftory cryeth flume againft them, and we will lay the Difpure on that with them readily, though it were with Baronius himfelf. Nothing almoft is more evident in the Papal Hiftory, then that there have been at leaft thefe five ways of election among them. Let them put it upon this ilTuc with us when they will. L2 If 7 6 A l\ey for Catholkh. If they allow of any of thcfe as valid, which ever it be (as they muft, or give up their fucceflionj then i. We would know by what Law of God the Emperour of Germany may choofe a Head for the Catholick Church, any more then the Emperour of Habajfia, or the King of France or Spain ? 2. And we would know when the Emperour hath chofen one, and the Clergy ano- ther (if not fome others a third) whether both were not true Popes, if both parties were authorized Elt&ors ? And if yet the People choofe one, and the Roraane Clergy another, and the Cardinals alone a third, and the Emperour a fourth , and the Councill a fifth, mud all thefe ftanJ, or which of them, and why ? Or if they tell you that it muft be the particular Roman Church} then i . If the people of that Church choofe one,and the Clergy by major vote another, and the Cardinals a third, which is the true Pope ? 2. And then the fucctfiionis gone however : For they were no Popes that Emperors or Councils chofe. 2. If they (hall tell you that it is not Election but Confccrati- on that makes a Pope, yea or that Confceration is of Neceffity withEledion ; then I. Demand of them lahethtrit be any ore Tfhofoever that may Confccrate , or whether this high power be confined to certain hands? If any may ferve, or any Bifliops, then he that can get three drunken Bifhops to confecrate him may be Pope. And then there may be an hundred Popes at ©oce. But if it be confined to certain hands,2. Let it be put down in the Definition, or at leaft declared who thofe are that muft ordain or confecrate him. 3. And if they fay, that It mttfl be only the Italian Bifheps thatmujl confecrate^ then 1. Know of them by what Law of God they have power to confecrate a Head to the univerfal Charch,when all nations are agreed that cjttodpertinet ad omnts, ab omnibus traftari debet. 2. And by what Law they can create or Generate a creature of a more noble fpecies then them- felves, as if a bcaft (hould beget a man ? Or whether this prove not,thatasa Bifhop at firft was but Presbyter prima fedis ,([\ketht fore man of a JoryJ and thence fprong an Arckbtjbop, who was EpifocofHS prima fedis , and thence a Patriarchy who was Architpifcepas prima fedis ; fo in procefs of time, when Pride grew riper, the Pope grew to be Pat riarcha prima fedis , but not till long after , the Head or Governour of the univtr? [all Churchy nor Patriarch* Patriarcharum \ no more then the A I\ey for Catbolich . 77 the Archbjhops or Bifcfs were at firft Epifcopi Epifcopo rum. But if chey can fhew us no law of God empowr'ng thefc fpcci- all confecrators, any more then o:hers, then where is the Papacy, that dependeth on it ? There is nothing in Scripture to empower the kalian Bifhops any more then the Galiicane, Germane, or Allan, to Confecrate a Head for the Cachoiick Church. 3 . But fuppofe there were, yet we mult be refolvcd whether it befome or all the Italian Bifhops that mud do it ? I f but fome,. which be they? and how it their power proved ? If all or any, then I. What fhall we do when forne of them confecrate one Pope, and fome another, and fome a third, which ha h fallen out : which of thefe is the Pope ? If Confecration give the Power, then all are Popes. 2. And ftill the Papal fucceilion is overthrown while many Popes had no Confecration by Italian Bifhops. Thus you may fee what a cafe the poor Jefuits or Fryars will be in, if you put them but to infertthe neceffi.y Electors and Confecrators in their Definition of a Pope. 2. Burthatsnotthe worft, you muft req'iire them?* put hit mcejfary Qualification in the Defciption. For if no Bi"p--fitir,i of the Matter be neceflfiry, but ex quolibct ligno fit mcrcn-tnx Romanns^ then a Jew or other Infidel may be Pope: wh c!i they will deny. And if any Difpojititn of the fubjccl be of nc- ceflity to the deception of the form, then caufe'rhem to put it down. And then j. It is either trueGcdlinefs : and then farewell Papacy . 2. Or it is common honefiy and fobriety : and then ftill farewell Papacy. 3 . Or it is learm-g and. knowledge: and then ■d ' IpkonfuskCaflro,, and others of their otfn will bear winicfs that fome Popes underftood not their Grammar, and one good man being (faith Wtrnerus) rucLxs litcrarum, was fain to gee another Compopc to fay his offices, (though it happened that they could not agree, and fo a third was chofen , and his eh< ici difliked, and a fourth chofen, till there wa< fix chofen Popes alive atonce.j 4.If4^benecefTary,thcn the Children Popes (one atleafl; have interrupted the fuccefiion. 5. Yci, if the Mafcu- line Gender be bat Neceflary, Pop* Joan hath interrupted the fucceffion, un!efs between forty or nfty of their own Hifrori- 4ns deceive us, 6. but all this is the i'mallcft part, the Qjcllion Is m 78 "4 K?y f or Catbolicks. K whether faith in Cb rift be ofNcceJJtty to a Pope ? If fo, then whac will you fay to f >hn the twemy third, that denyed the life to come, and to thofeihac have been guiltv of Herefe t So thac by thac time they have put the neceflfiry Qualification of a Pope into their Definition, you fhall find them hard pat to ir. 3 . But yet the worft is behind. They be not agreed about the very form of the Papacy : For fome fay, He is the Head of /ill the Catholick.Cburch But others with the General Councils of Conflance and Bajil fay, that he is the Head only of the fmgular Members, but a fubjetl to the Catholick^Cburchreprefentedin a Council t which receiveth its power immediately fromChrift, fo thac you may fee what a cv.fe they will be in, if they be buc forced to tell you what they mean by a Pope , and to Define him too. 3 . And if they ufe the name of a General Council, call them to Define what they mean by l General Council : fome of them will fay, It mu(l be a true Reprefentative of the whole Catholick, Church : fo thac Morally they are all Confenting to what is there done. Buc then the doubt remainech whether there be aNe- ceflkr ofany certain Number of B (hops ? If not ; it feems the whole Church may agree that twenty,or ten,or two.or one (hall rcprefent them, and be a general Council. But if this muftnot hold, then Afuft All the Bifh-'ps of the world be there or only fome , and how many ? Binnius faith, Vol. 1. pag. 313. that [_a gene- ral Council is that where all the Bijbaps of the while world may and ought to be prefent, nnlefs they bt lawfully hir,dred y and in which none but the Pope o/*Rome by himfclf or his Legates, is wont to pre- fide.~\ And vol. 3. pag. 229. It is when all the Church is mo- rally Reprefented, the Pope preftding.~\ Buc what a lofs arc we here at? 1. How prove they that only B>Jbops ftiould be members of a Council, and noc Presbyters? 2. Bu r if that were granted them (without proof and contra- ry ro pra&ile) yet we are at a far greater lofs to know what aBifhip Uchat mull here be a member ? Ishconly the Primus Presby rorum in a pr 2. We thankfully acknowledge that the Effentials of the faith, ( and more ) hath been delivered even from the Apoftles in other wayes or forms, beiides the Scriptures : as 1. In the I'rofcjfidns of the Churches faith. 2. In the baptifmal Covenant and figns ,and whole admini ft ration. 3. In the Sacrament of the Lords Supper. 4. In Catechifms or C 'a tec hi zings. 5. In the prayers and praijes of the Church. 6. In the hearts of all true believers, where God hath written all the Efftntiaisof the Chri- fltan faith and Law : So that we will not do as the Pa pi Us. per- vciflydo: when Goddelivereth usthcChnftian Religion with two hands, Scripture fcompleatly ) and ) Verbal Tradition, ( in the efTentials ) they quarrel! with the one hand ( Scrip ure ) on pretence of defending the other : fo Will not we quirrell with Tradition ( the other hand : ) but thankfully confefs a Tradition of the lane Chriftianity by unwritten me^ns. which is delivered more fully in the Scripture • and this Tradition is in fome refped fubordrtate to Scripture, and in forne refpeft co-ordinate, as the fpirits left hand as it were, to hold us out the truth. 3 . We confefs that the Apoftles delivered the Gofpel by voice as. 88 ^Ksy f or Catholicks. as well as by writing, and that before they wrote it to the Churches. 4. By this preaching we confefs there were Christians made, that had the doctrine of Chrifl: in their hearts, and Churches ga- thered that had his ordinances among them, before the Gofpel was written. 5. And we confefs that the Converted were bound to teach what they had received to their children, fervanti and others. 6. And that there was a fetled Miniftry in many Churches ordained to preach the Gofpel as they had received it from the Apoftles before it was written. 7. And that the faid ordinances of Baptifm, Catechizing,Pro- feftions, Eucharift, Prayer, Praife,e£r. were inftituted,and in ufe before the Gofpell was written for the Churches. 8. And that when the Gofpel was written,as Tradition bringeth it to us, fo Minifters are commiffioned to deliver both the Books, and thedodrineofthis Book, as the Teachers of the Church, and to preach it to thofe without, for their converfion. 9. And that Parents and Matters are bound to teach this do- ctrine to their children and fervants •* yea if a Minifter or other perfon were caft into the Indies or Jmerica without a Bible, he muft teach the dodrine , though he reraembred not the words. 1 o. We grant that to the great benefit of the Church, the wri- ters of all ages have in fubferviency to Scrip-.ure delivered down the Sacred Verities, and Hiftoriansthe matters of fad. 11. And that the unanimous Confent of all the Churches,ma- nifefted in their conftant profeffions,and pradices,isa great con- firmation to us. 12. And fo is the fuffcring of the Martyrs for the fame truth. 1 3 . And the Declarations of fuch confent by Councils is alfo a confirming Tradition. 14. And the Confeflions of Hereticks, Jews and other Tnfi- dels , areProvidentiall and Hiftorical Traditions, for confuma- tion. i5«And we profefsthat if we had any Certain proof of a Tra- dition from the Apoftles of any thing more then is written in Scrip- A t\ey for Qatholicks. 89 Scripture, we would receive ic ; All this we grant them for Tra- dition. 3 . But in thefe points following we oppofe them. 1 . We take the holy Scriptures as thcCompleat universal Rule or Law of faith and Holy living , and we know of no Tradition that con- tained another word of God ^ Nay we know there i$ none fuch becaufe the Scripture is true, which aflerteth its own fufficiency. Scrip tare, and unwritten Tradition are but two wayes of ac- quainting the world with thtfame Chriftian doftrine ; and not with divers parts of that Doclrine , (0 as that Tradition (hould add to Scripture : yea contrarily it is but the fubftanceof great- eft verities that are conveyed b\ unwritten Tradition: but that and much more is contained in the Scripture,wbere the Cbriftian do&rine is compleat- 2. The manner of delivery in a form of words, which no man may alter, and info much fullnefs and perfpicuity, is much to be preferred before the meer verbal delivery of the fame doclrine. For r . The Memory of man is not fo ftrong as to retain as much as the Bible doth contain , and preferveitfafefrom alterations or Corruptions • Or ifone mm were of fo ftrong a memory.no man can imagine that all or moft (hould be fo: Or ifone Gene- ration had fuch wonderfull memories, we cannot imagine that all their pofterity (hould have the like. If there were no ftatute Books, Records, or Law-books in England y oiiT Laws would be but forrilykept, and obeyed and executed. 2. If all the world had fuch miraculous memories, yet men are apt to be negligent either in learning or keeeping of holy do- ctrine ; All have not that zeal that (hould excite them to fuch wonderfull diligence without which fuch a treafure could not be prefer ved. 3 . When matter and fo much matter, is comroited to bare me- mory without a form of unalterable words , new words may make an alteration before men are aware.* The change of one word fometimes doth make a whole difcourfe feem to have ano- ther fenfe. 4. There are fo many carnal men in the world that love not the ftri&nefs of that doftrine which they do profefs , and fo many hereticks that would pervert the Holy Doctrine, that it would purpofcly be altered by them if it could be done, andic N might 9 o A Z\ey for Catholicks . might much moreeafily be done , if it lay all upon mens memo- ries ; For one party would Get their memory againft the others, and ( *$Jt was about Etfter a publick matter of f;ct ) tradition would be fet againlt tradition : efpecially when the far grea:er part of the Chtjrch turn Hereticks, as in the Arrians daycs, then Tradition would be moft at their keeping and interpretation ; and if we had not then had the unalterable Scriptures, what might they not have done ? 5. A whole Body of Doctrine kept only in Memory, will be foon difjoynted and diflocate ; and if the matter were kept fafe, yet the method, artd manner would be loft. 6. And there could not be fuch fatisfactory Evidence given to another of the Integrity or Certainty of it, as when it is pre. ferved in writing. We fhould all be diffident that the Laws of England were corrupted, or that Lawyers might combine to do it at their pleafure, if there were no Law Books or Records, but all lay in their memories. If they were never fo faithfull, yet they could not give us fuch evidence of it . I do not think any man of common reafon can heartily believe, that all the holy Truths of God, Hiftorical, Doctrinal, Practi- cal, Prophetical, &c. could ( without a courfe of miracles, or extraordinary means ) have been kept through all ages, as well without writing, as with it. 7. And if writing be not neceflary, why have we fo many Fathers, Hiftories, and Canons? And why do they fetch theirs Tradition from thefe, and ridiculoofly call tbem unwritten ve- rities? Are they unwritten, when they turn us to fo many vo- lumes for them ? And if mans writing be neceffary for their prefervation , me thinks men fhould thankfully acknowledge that God hath taken the bell way in giving it us in his own un- alterable phrafe: 3. If they do prove that fome matters of fad are made known to us by Tradition that are not in the Scriprure, or- that any Church Orders or Circumftancesof worfhip then ufed are fo made known to us, ( which yet we wait for the proof of j it. will not follow that any of thefe are therefore Divine Inttiruti- ons, or univerfal Lawes for the unchangable obligation of the. whole Church. If there be fome things Hiftorically related in die Scripture, that were obligatory but for a feafon, and ordain • ed A If\ey for Catholicks. p i ed occafionally, and ceafed when the occafi on cea fed ('as the Lovc-feafts, the Kifs of Love, the wafhing of feec, the abftaining from things ftrangled and blood, the anointing the fick, the Pro- phefyingsoneby one, mentioned i Ctfr.14.31. miraculous gifts and thesr exercife, &c) then it will not follow, if they could prove that the Apoftles fafted in the Lent, or ufed the fign of the Crofs in Baptifrae or holy Ordinances, or confirmed with a Crofs inChryfme, &c. that therefore they intended thefeas univerfal Laws to the Church, though I fuppofe they will never prove that they ufed the things thetnlelvc;. 4. We will never take the Popes Dccifion or bare word for a Proof of Tradition : nor will we receive it from pretended Au- thority, but from rational Evidence. It is not their faying, me are the authorized keepers of Tradition, that (hall go with us for proof. 5. And therefore it is not theTeftiraony of the Papifts alone, ( who are not only a lefTcr part of the Church, but a part thac hath efpoufed a corrupt intereft againft the reft) that we (hall take for certain proof of a Tradition: but we will prefer the Teftinonieof the whole Cacholick Church before the Romifh Church alone. 6. They that can produce the beft Records of Antiquity, or rational proof of the Antiquity of the thing they plead for,, though they be but a few Learned Antiquaries, may yet be of more regard in the matter of Tradition then miilionsof the vulgar, orunlearned men: fo that with us, univerfal Tradition is preferred before the Tradition of the Romijhfttl, and Rational pr»of of Antiquity is preferred before ignorant furmifes. But where both thefe concur, both univerfal confent, and records or other credible evidence of Antiquity, it ismoft valid. And as for the Romifh Traditions which they take for the other pirt of Gods word : 1. In all Reafon they rau ft produce their fufficient proof that they came from the A poftles, before we can receive them as Apoftolick Traditions. And when they have done that, they muft prove that it was delivered by the Apoftles as a perpetual univerfal do&rinc or Law for the whole Church .• and when they have well proved both tbefe, we fliali hearken further to them. 2. Either thefe Traditions have Evidence to prove them Apo- N 2 ftolical, pi d i\eyfor Catbolkks. ftolical, or no Evidence. If none, how can the Pope know them ? If they have Evidence, why may not we know it as well as the Pope ? at Icaft, by the helps chat his charity doth vcuchfafe the world. 3. If there hi any Proof of thefe Traditions, it is either fome Antient Records or Monuments ; and then our Learned Anti- quaries m?.y better know them then a multitude of the unlearn- ed : Or it is the Pra&ice of the Church: And then 1. How (hall we know how long that practice hath continued, without rccourfeto the writings of the ancients? The reports of the people is in many cafes very uncertain. 2. But it it may be known without the fearch ofAntient Records,then we may know it as well as they. 4. If the Pope and Clergy have been the keepers of it , have they in all ages kept it to themfelves or declared it to the Church? { I mean to all in common ) If they have concealed it, 1. Then it (ecms it belonged not to others. 2. Or elfe they were nnfaith- full and unfit for the office. 3. And then how do fuccecding Popes and Clergy know it ? If they divulged ir,;hen others know it as well as they. We have had abundance of Preachers from among the Papifts, that were once Papifts themfelves, as Lnthtr^ Jl>lelantthon^ZHinglitis£ahin, Beza y Peter Martyr, Bucer, &c. and yet thefe knew not of your truly Apoltoltcal Traditions. 5. And it mars your credit with us, becaufe we are able to. prove the beginning of fome of your traditions,or a time when they had no being, fince the death of the Apoftles. 6. And alfothat we are able to prove the death and burial tof many things that have gone long under the name of Tra- ditions. 7. And when we find fohme an account from your felves of the true Apoftolical Traditions: You are fo confounded be- tween your Ecclefiafticall Decrees aud Traditions, and your Apoftolical Traditions, that we defpair of learning from you to know one from the other •• and of feeing under the hand of his Holinefs and a General Council a Catalogue of the true Apoftolical Traditions. And fure it feems to us fcarce fair dealing that in one thoufand and five hundered years time, (if indeed there have been Popes fo long ) the Church could never have an enumeration and defcripdon of thefe Tuitions, with tie A f(ey for Catholicks. $> j the proofs of them,, Had you told us which are Apoftolick Traditions but as fully and plain!y,as the Scrip:ures which you accufe of infuffieency and obfcurity,do deliver us their parr, you had difcharged your pretended truft. 8. And it is in our eyes an abominable impiety , for you to equal your Traditions with the holy Scripture, till you have enumerated and proved them. And it makes us the more to fufped your Traditions, when we perceive that they or their Patron? have fuch an enmity to the Holy Scriptures, that they ctanoc be rightly defended without cafUng fome reproach upon the Scriptures, Bucthis we do not much wonder at : tor ic is no new thing with the applauders of Tradition. We find the eighth General Council at ConJ}antincple t Can. 3. decreeing, thac \ the Image of C hrifl be adored with equal Honenr with the Holy Scripture, ] B ut whether that be an Apoltolical Tradition , we doubt. 9. And if General Councils themfelves, and that of your own, fhould be for the Efficiency of Scripture; what then is become of all your Traditions ? Search your own Binnius, pa^e 299. whether it part not as fouud doctrine at the Council of Bafil ( m RagufiiOrat.) Sup. 6. £ that faith and all things. necejfary to falvation , both matters of belief and matters of pra- ctice , are founded in the literal fenfe ( of Scripture, ) and only from that may argumentation betahen for the proving of thrfe things that are matters of faith, or mctffarj to falvation ; and net from thofe parages that are fjiok.cn by allegory , or other (pirhual fcnce~\ Sup. 7. \_ The Holy Scripture in the literal fenfe foundly and well underflood , is the infallible and m r >ft fufficicnt Rule of faith ] Is not here enough againft all other Traditional Articles of faith ? A plain rnnn would think fo. Yea , but Binnius notcth thit he rneaneth tbu explicitely or implicirely it is fo. Well / I confefs. the beft of you are flippery enough : but let us grant this ; ( for indeed l;e foexplaineth himfelf afterward : yet thats no- thing for Tradition. He there maintained] that Scripture is the Rule of faith ( not partofthe Rule) [_ For ffaihhcj v.'hn the intellect hapneth to err, as in heretickj, its ntcrjfary that there be Jome Rule, by the deviation or conformity to which thcintr 1 11 may perceive that it doth or doth rot err. Fife it would be fill /». doubt and ftufiuatc - ■ - ■- it appeareth that no hnm.inefci- N 3 cr.ee 94 A K y ey for Catholic ks. ence is the Rule of faith. Ic remaincth therefore that the Holy Scrip- ture is this Rule of faith. This U the Rale, John 20. wkerr be fai:h, thefe things are written that you might beliive, that fefus is the fort of God , and believing m ght have life in bis name. And 2 Pet. 2. Ton have a more fare word of prophecy to which ye do well that ye attend as to a light , &c. And Rom. I?. pyhatfoever things -were written , were written for our learn' ing, dec. And its plain that the forefaid authorities are of holy Scripture \ and fpeak^of the holy Scripture, &c. The fecond part alfo is plain, becaufe if the ho'y Scripture were not a fuffi- eient Rule of faith, it VfGuld fallow that the Holy Ghofl bad in- ffifficiently delivered it, reho is the author of it : which is by no means to be thought of Gcd whoje worlds are all perfetl. More- over if the Holy Scripture were wanting in any things that are r.ecejfary to falvation, then tbofe things that are wanting might Ian] ally and defervedly be fuper added from fame thing el/e ( ali- unde ) or if any thing ftere Superfluous, be diminijhed. But this ps forbidden, Rev. 22. From whence its plain that in Scripture there is nothing defeSlive, and nothing fuper fiuous , which it agree- able to its author , the Holy Ghofi, to wbofe Omnipotemy it agree- etb that nothing deminntely ; to his wifdom that nothing fuper- fluoufly ; ard to his Goodnefs that in a congruous or der \ be provide for the Neceffity of our falvation, Prov. 30. 5, 6. The word of God u a fiery buchjer to them that hope in him: Add then not to his words lefl he reprove thee, and thou be found alyar. ] How like you all this in a Popifti General Council ? and in an Oration againft the Sacrament in both kinds. Well / but perhaps the diftin&ion unfaith all again ? No fuch matter; you fhallhearit truly recited. He proceeds thus [_ But for the further declaration of this Rule at to that part , it muft be known, that the fufficiency of any dctlrine is neceffarily to be underflood two wayes j one way Explicitly, another fray Im- plicit ely. And this is true in every Dotlrine or fcience , becaufe no declrine was tverfo fuffciently delivered, that all the Concluft- ens contained m its principles , were delivered and expreffed expli- cit ely and in the proper terms : andfo it is in our purpofe : becaufe there is nothing that any way or in any manner ( N. B. ) pertain^ etb to f« ith aid falvation , which is not moft fufficiently contained in the hdj Scripture explicitly or implicite/r. Hence faith Auilin A IQy for Qatholicks. 9 c Aultin £ every truth is contained in the Scriptures, latent or pa- tent, as in other fciencet Speculative, or Aloral and Civil \ the (fondufions and determinations are contained in their principles, tic. and the deduction is by way of inference or determination « ^ This is the plain Proteftant Do&rine. There is nothing any way neceflary to faith or falvation, but what is contained in the Scriptures, either exprefly, or as the Conclufion in the premifes. Good (till 1 we defire no more. Let holy Reafon then difcern the Conclufion in the premifes, and let us not be fern for it to the Authority of Rome ; nay fentfor fome thing elfe, that is no Con- clufion deducible from any Scripture principles : we grant Tra- dition or Church practices are very ufeful for our berter under- ftanding of fome Scriptures. But what is this to another Tradi- tional word of God ( Prove your Traditions but by inference from Scripture, and we will receive them. Yet let us hear this Orator further clearing his mind [Adding U a Dotlrine may be under flood four wayes. I . By way of explica- tion or declaration. 2. Byway of fupply. 3. By -way of amplia- tion, 4. 'By way of deftrutlion, or contrary. The fir ft -way is necef far j in every fcience and doctrine, and fpeciaUy in Holy Scripture • not for it f elf which is mo ft fujficieit , andmsfl cleare in it felf but for us : ( This we all yield ) The fecond way is nccejfjiry to fciences dimir.utely and inefficiently deliver edby their author s , for their fupplement : fo Ariftotle is fupplcmented by Albertus Magnus, &c. The third way, fpecially if it be not exceffive^ is tolerable to the t* ell being, though it be not necejfary. The fourth way -af- fertwely is to he n jetted as Poyfon—- Thus are the authorities to be underftood, that forbid to add to t er dimini/h from the Scripture,. Dw a UC.|l2,3 2. Well! by this time you may fee, that when fuch do&rine as this for Scripture fufficiency and perfection as the Rule of faith and life, admitting no addition as neceffiry but explication, nor any other as tolerable, but moderate ampliation (which indeed isthefame,^ I fay, when this doctrine pall fo lately in aPopifh General Council, you may feethatthe very Djdrine of Tradi- tions equaled with Scripture, or being another word of G d, necefTary to faith and falvation, containing what is warning in Scripture, is but lately fprung up in the world. And fure the Traditions themfelves be not old then, when the conceit of them came buc lately into the world. 4,Wcil:. y- -/ I\cy for C'Uholicks. 4 Well ; I have done the three firft part? of this task : but the chief is yet befend, whehisto fhe-.v i How lictle the Papifls gee by iheir Argument from Tradition. 2. And how much tl'.cy lofe by it : even all their caufe. 1. Two things they very much plead Tradition for .-the one is their private dodrines and practices, in which they difagree from ocherChriftians : and here they Iofe their labour with the jud cious. 1. Because they give us no fuffieent proof that their Tradition is Apoftolical. 2. Became the difTent of other Churches (lie weth that it is r.ot univerfal : with other Reafons before mentioned. 2. The other Caufe which they plead Tradition for, is the Do&rine of ChrHttanity it fc!f. And this they doindefignto lead men to the Church of Rome \ asif wemuit beno ChriOans, unlefs weareChriitians upon the credit of the Pope, and his Subjeds. And here I ©fTer to their Confederation thefe two thing?, ro fhew them the vanity of their arguing. I. We donotftriveagainftyou in producing any Tradition or Teflimony of Antiquity for the Scripture, or for Scripture Do$rme .- we make as much advantage of fuch juft Tradition as you. What do fuch men as white ,Vane^ Creffy, &c. think of, when they argue fo eagerly for the advantage of Tradition to prove the Scripture and Chris! isn faith ? Is this any thing againft us ? Nothing at all. We accept our Religion from both the hands of Providence that bring it us ^ Scripture and Tradition: we abhor the contempt which thefe partial Difputers caft upon Scripture i but we are not therefore fo partial our felves as to refufeany collateral or fubordinatc help for our faith. The more Testimonies, the better. The belt of us have need of all the ad- vantages for our faith that we can get. When they have extol- led the Certainty of Tradition to thehigheft, we gladly joyn with them, and accept of any certain Tradition of the mind of God. Andladvifeallthat would prove themfelves wife defend- ers of the faith , to take heed of rejecting Arguments from Providences, or any necefTary Teftiroony of man, efpecialiy concerning matter of fad, or of rejecting true Church Hifto- ry, becaufe the Papifts overvalue it under the name of Tradition, left fuch prove guilty of the like partiality and injurioufnefs to the truth as the Papifls are. And whereas the Papifts imagine, that A K^y for Catbolich . $7 that this mutt lead us to their Church for Tradition, I anfwer that in ray next observation, which is, 2. We go beyond the Papifts in arguing for juft Tradition of the Chnftian faith, and we make far greater advantage of it then theycando. For i. They argue but from Authoritative Deri- fion by the Pope, under the name o/ Ci.un.n- iradition ('except- ing rhe French pi i iy ) whereas we argue from true Hiftory and certain Antiquity, and prove what we fay. Where note J. That their Tradition is indeed no Tradition: for if it mull betaken upon the credit of a man as fuppofrd In- fallible by fupernatural ( if not miraculous J endowment, tnb is not Tradicionbut Pophefie. And if they prove the man to be fuch a man, its all one to the Church whether he fay that £ This was the dpjft'es dcclrine, or, This I deliver mj ftlf to jou fromGed.] For if he were fo qualified, le had the power and credit of a prophet or Apollle himfelf. Ani therefore they rauft prove the Pope to be a Prophet, before their kind of Tradition can get credit : and when they have done that, there is no need of it : this their honcft Dr. H-Jden was ware of, upon which he huh fo hindfomely canvafTed them. 2. No:e alfo that fuch ;is Dr. Holdcn, Crejfy y Vane, white and other of the French way chat plead for Tradition, mean a quite oiher th ngchen the Jefuited Italian Papift meanes • and while they plead for univerlal Tradition, they corns nearer to the Pro- te'lants, then to their brethren, if they did not contradict them- fehe?, when they have Jone, by making meer Romifh Tradition to be miverfat. 3. Note alfo, that when Paplfts fpeak of Tradition confufed- ly, they give us jufrreafontocill them to Define their Tradi- tion, and tell us what they mean by it, before we difputc with them upon an ambiguous word ; feeing they are fo divided among themfelves, that one party undei Hands one thing by it, and another another thing \ which we mud not fuffer thefe jug- lers to jumble together and confound. 2. Another advantage in which we go beyond the Papifts for Tradition, is, that as we argue not from the meer pretended fu- pernatural I n fa 11 bility or Authority of any, as they do, but from rational Evidence of true Antiquity •, fo we argue not from a fttttr pjrtj as they do, but from the Vnivtrfal Church : O As 98 A Key for Catbolicks. As far as the whole Church of Chrift is of larger extent and greater credit then the Popifh party, fo far is our Tradition more Credib'ethen theirs. And thitisefpecially in three things. 1 . The Papifts are fewer by far then the reft of the Chnftians intheu;nriH a nA rhe teftimony of many, yea of ail, is more then of apart. 2. The Papifts above other parties have efpoufed an intereft that leads them to pretend and corrupt Tradition, and bend all things to that intereft of their own, that they may Lordt 1! over all the world : But the whole Church can have no fuch Intereft and Partiality. 3. And the Papifts are but one fide ; and he that will judge rightly, muft hear the other fide^fpeak coo. but the Tradition that we make ufe of, is from all fides concurring ; yea Papifts themfelves in many points. Yea our Tradition reacheth further then the Univerfa! Church : for we take in all rational Evidence : even of Jews, Heathens, and Hereticks, and Perfecutors, that bear witnefs to the matters of fad, and what was the dodrine and practice of the Ch:ifti- ans in their times, and what Books they made the ground of their faith : fothat as trueUniverfal impartial naturally- or- rati- onally-infallible Hiftory or Teftimony.differeth from a private, pretended-prophetical afTertion, or from the Teftimony of ore party only • fo doth our Tradition cxcell both the forts of Po- pifh Tradition, both that of the Papal, and that of the Coiir- cill party. And now judge who may better boaft of or extol Tradition, they or we ; and to what purpofe,£Wj/)\ White, and fuch men do bring their difcourfes of Tradition. 2. But yet we have not fo done with them, till Tradition have given them their mortal ftroak. You appeal to Tradition, to Tradition you (hall go. But what Tradition mean you? The Tradition of tbc Catholick Church ? And where is this to be found and known? but in the profeflion and practice of the Church, and in the Records of the Church. Wvll then / of both thefe let us enquire. The firft and great Q ueftion between you and us, is, Whether the Pope be the Head and Soveraign Ruler of the -whole Catlolicl^ Church: and then whether the Catholic!^ Church and the Reman Are of equal extent ? What faith Tradition to this ? i; Let us enquire of the pre/em Church: and there we have fcbeprofeffion and pradice of all the Greek Church -, the Sy- rians., , A %ey jor Qatbolicks. y p rians, the Mofcovites , the Georgians, and all others of the Greek Religion difperfed throughout the Turks Dominions with the Jacobites, Armenians, Egyptians, Abaflines, with alf other Churches in Europe, &c. that difclaim the Headfhip of the Roman Pope ; all thefe do with one mouth proclaim that the Church of Rome is not, and ought not to be the Miftrifsof the world, or of all other Churches, but that the Pope for laying fuch a claim is an ufurper, if not the AntiChrift. This is the Tradition of the Greeks ; this is the Tradition of the Abafsines : the far greateft pare of the Church on eirth agree in this. Mark then what is become of the Roman Soveraignty, by the verdi-ch ? D)jou thinly all the Church is forfaken butyw, &c?] Andletusask you, as you teach your followers to ask us, £ If we rnafl turn f rem the Vniverfal Church to any Sell, why rather to yours then another ? why not as well to the Anabaptifls or other party- as to the Fapifts ? ] But your common faying is, that the Greekj y Proteftants, And nil the reft were once of your Church t and departing from itjheycan have no Tradition but ysurs , for their fpring is with jeu. To which we anfwer. i. The vanity of this your fidion (hall by and by be snfwered by it felf. 2 . You fay fo,and they fay other- 1 wife : why (hould we believe you that are a fmaller, partial and corrupted part? 3. Well then let us go to former ages, fee- ing it is not the prefent Church whofe voice you will regird ( only by the way, I pray forget nor, 1 . That you do ill then to call us ftill to the Judgement of the prefent Church, and dare notftand to it. 2. And that you do ill to pcrfwade men that the greater part of the Church cannot err, if you fentence the O 2 greater i oo A L<\ey for Catholicks . greater pare as Schifmaticks or Revolt ers. ) But how fhall we knowthe way and mind of the ages/v»y? ? If by the prefent age, then the greater part giveth us in their fence againft you. If by the Records of thofe times, we are content to hear the TefHmony of thefe. And firft when we look into the Antierits thcmfelves, v.e find them generally againft you ^ and we find in that which is antiquity indeed,no footfteps of your ufurped Sovereignty, but a contrary frame of Government, and a confenc of antiqiricy againft it. 2. When we look into later Hiftory we find, how by the advantage of Romei temporal greatnefs and the Emperors refidence there your greatnefs begun, and preparation was made to your ufurpation, and how the tranflation of rhe imperial Seat to Confiantinople made them your Competitors, yea to be- gin in the claim of an univerfal Headlhip j and we find how ic being once made a queftion, you got it by a murdering Emperor refolved on your fide for his own advantage. We find that ic was long, even till Hildebrands dayes, before you could get any great poffefii on, for ail this fentence. Ic would but be tedious here to recite our Hiftorical Evidence : we refer youto.what is done already by Go/daft us and Bijhop Uftier de flatu & fuccefs. Ecclefiar. and in his Anfwer to the Jefuits Challenge and in his Difcourfe of the Antient Religion of Ireland, &c. fpecially by Blonde I in his French Treatife of Primacy, and Dr. Field, and many others that have already given you the teftimony of Anti- quity. More then you can give a reafonable anfwer to, I have produced in my Book called the fafe Religion. In plain Englifh, inftead of Apojlolical Tradition for jour Soveraigntj ; we find that eight hundred years after the dayes of Chrift, you had not neer fo much of the Catholick Church in your fubjefiion, as you have now; that at four hundred, or five hundred, if not till Jix hundred years after Chrift you had no known part of rhe world that acknowledged your univerfal Sovereignty •, but only the Latinc Weftcrn Church fubmitted to the Pope as their Patri- arch, and the Patriarch prima fedis , the firft in order among the Patriarchs t and that before the dayes of Conftantine and the Nicene Council, he was but a Eifhop of the ricbeftandmoft numerous Church of Chrift ians .- and we fee no proof that of an hundred years after Chrift he* was any more then the chief Pres- byter of a particular Church. A I\ey for £atbolicks . i o i If all this will not ferve) we have National Evidences beyond all exception, that the Ethiopian Churches of Habajfia, the In- dians , Perfians, &c. were never your fubje&s to this day. Thai England, Sc otland, and Ire land here in your Weftern Circuits, were not only long from under you, but refitted you, maintain- ing the Council of Calcedon againft you, and joyning with the Eaftern Churches againft you, about Eafter day, &c. And that the Eaftern Churches and many great Nations, (as 7 'endue , Nw bia,&c.) that now are revolted, were never your fubje&s, and fome of them had little to do with you . And yet if all this will not ferre, wchaveyour own Confe/H- ons. I hive elfewhere mentioned fome : Canus Lac. Tbeol. lib.6. cap. -J. fol.zoi. frith [ Not cnlj the Greekj, but almofr all the rcjl of the JSiJbops of the whole world, have vehemently fcught to dcflroj the Priviledge of the Church of Rome : and indeed they had on their pde t both the Arms of Emperors, and the greater number of Churches : and jet they could never prevail to abrogate the Power of the one Pope of Rome"] Mark here whether the Carhol-ck Church was then your fubje&s, when the greater number of Churches, and moft of the Biftiops of the whole world, as well as the Greeks were againft you, and vehemently fought againft your pretended priviledges. Rainerius ( fuppofed ) contra Waldenfes Catal.in Biblisthecs TatrumfTom.^. pag.lll- kith [ The Churches of the Armenians, and Ethiopians, and Indians* and the reft which the Apoflles con- verted, are not under the Church of Rome. ~] Read and blufh , and call Baronius a parafite. What would you have truer or plainer ? And what Controverfie can there be, where fo many Nations thcrafelves are witnefles againft you ? And you may conjecture at the numbers of thofe Churches by what a Legate of the Popes that lived among them, faith of one Corner or them, Jacob, a Vitriaco Hijlor. Orient, cap.jj. that the Churches in the Eafter ly parts of Afia alone exceeded in multitude the Chriflians both cf the Greelejtnd Latine Churches ] Alas, how little a thing then wi5 the Roman Catholick Church ! If all this were not enough ,the Tradition of your own Ci- tholick Church is ready to deftroy the Papacy utterly. For that a General Council is above the Pope, and may judge him and a him % dud that is de fide , and that itt Hertjie to dtny it } and th.it O 3 All i o i A Key for Catholicks. all this is fo Jure thAt ne unquam aliquis peritorutR dubitavic , no wife man ever doubted of it , all this is the judgement of the General Council of Ba/il, with whom that of Cenftance doth agree; And whether thefe Councils were confirmed or not, they confefj them lawfully called and owned, and extraordina- ry full : and fo they were their Catholick Church Reprefenta- tive^ and fo the Popes Soveraignty over the Council is gone by Tradition : but thats not the worft. For, if a free General Council ihould be called , all the Churches in the world moft be equally there reprefented •• And if they were fo, then down went the ufnrped Head-fhip of the Pope : For we are fure already that moft of the Churches in trie world are againft it : and therefore in Council they would have the Major vote. And thus by the concefiion of the Roman Reprefentative Catholick Church the Pope is gone by Tradition. So that by that time they have well considered of the matter,me thinks they fhould be lefs zealous for Tradit.on. Cha p. xxr. Deleft. 12. A Nother of the Roman frauds is this : They jT\ perftvade men that the Greeks, the Troteflants y and all other Churches, were once under their Papal 'foveraignty y and have feparated t hem fe Ives without any juft caufe : and therefore we are all fthif matters ; and t her eforef ore have no vote in general Councils, &C. ■ A few words may fcrve to (hew the vanity of this accufationJ i . Abundance of the Churches were fo ftrange to you,that they had not any notable communion with you. 2. The Greek Churches withdrew from your Communion , but not from your fubjeftion. If any of the Patriarcks or Emperours of Cowftantinople did for carnal ends at laft fubmit to you , it was •not ttll lateiy , nor was it the aft of the Churches, nor owned , noroflongcontinuacce. So that it was your Communion and not your fubje&ion that they withdrew from. 2. And as for us of the Wellern parts, we anfwer you, 1 .We that are now living, our Fathers , or our Grand-fathers, were not of your Church: and therefore we never did withdraw. 2. There A h\?y for Catbolicks. 10? 2. There were Churches in England before the Roman Pow- er was here owned : And therefore if it was a fin to chance , the firfl change was tbc (in , when they fubj'e&ed themfelves to' you j and not the later, in which they returned to their ancient ftate. 3. And for the Germanes or Engliflior whoever did relin- qmih yuu , thc y k« : , c „ t roo( j rca f on f or j r> as f or [he relinquifh- ing of any other iin. If they did by the unhappinefs of ill education or delufion , fubroit to the ufurped Soveraignty of the Pope they had no reafon to continue in iuchan error. Re- pentance is not a Vice, when the thing Repented of is a vice. Juftifie therefore yourufurpation, or elfe ii is in vain to be an- gry with us for not adhering to the ufurper, and the many corruptions that he broughc mto the Church. Chap. XXII. Detecl. f. 13. A Nother deceit that they minige w.t, ae -ZjL confidence, is this; fay they, If the C% , of 'Rom; be th; true Chxrcb: then jours is not the true Chtt-ch , and then you are Shifmstickj in feparatingfrom it. But the Church of Rome is the true Church ; For you will confefs it was once a true Church : when Paul wrote the Epiftle to the Romans •' anX if it etafed to be a true Church , tell us when it ccafed, if jou can : If it cea-fed to be a true Church , it * as either bj he- re (ie , or Schifm or Apofiacj : but by none of thefe : there- fore t &c. A man would think that children and women (hould fee the palpable fallacy of this Argument ; and yet I hear of few that the learned Pa pifts make more ufe of. But to Uy open the fhameof it in brief 1 anfwer 1. The deceit lieth in theambiguity of thewordQcWr/;.]Asto our prelent purpole, obfervethic it hath thefe ieveral ftgnifications. t. It is lakea oft in icri- pture for one particular Chwch , ajfociatedfor prrffna! c-mmun - onin GodsWorfhip. And thus there were many Churches in a Countrcy, as fueled, Galat ia, &c. 2. It is taken by Hccieh.-.uV cal writers often for an Affociatten of many of thefe Churchu for Communion by their Pafiors - t fuch as were Diocelau, Provincial, . Nation^ 104 A K e > f cr Catholicks. National Churches • whereof mofl: were then ruled by AfTero- blies, where a B. (hop, Archb.fhcp , Metropolitan or Patriarck ( as they called them; did prehde. 3. It is taken oft in Scrip- ture for the Body of Chnjf, the bolj Catholic^ or Vniverfal Church containing all true Believers as myfiical , or all Profef- for j of true fait has vifible. 4. 1 1 is taken by the P•? divin« y but whit the Pref- by ten bave,buc only ther xercife is refrained as to the Presby- P z ters. io8 A$\$y for Catbolicks. ters,bywr«i but others think chat the Prefident is a Bifhop eminently of another order, having not only the exercife, but the power above the Presbyters. And is this difference fo great abufinefs ? And do not thefe cheaters know,that if for this they would reproach us, they mud do fo by themfelves? Know they not that among their own Schoolmen there is the fame difference , or in moft points the fame ? And know th-v not that if difference! in Ceremonies or Modes fhould unchan h us, or difgrace us, it would fall as foul on the whole Catholick Cburch,and that in the very primitive times?Did they never read of the difference between the Afian and the Roman Churches , about the celebration of Eafterd&y , and how Polycrates and the reft did plead Tradition againft the Church of Romes Tradi- tion j and how Irctuttu did reprehend the Bifhop of Rome for his uncharitable cenfure of «the Churches for fo fmall a difference ? And how Polycarpanddnicetus Bifhop of Rome could not agree, as building upon contrary Traditions ; but yet maintained Chri- ftian peace •, as Enfebius out of Irenam his Epiftle to Vitlor telsus,/^. Hift.Eccl.cap. 26. And the Englifli and Irifti Churches long after that adhered to the Afian way ; even after the Councill of Nice had ended thecontroverfie on the Roman fide. And who knows not how many more controverfies greater then thefe of ours have been among the Churches of Chrift , without their unchurching or dfparagement to Religion. And for the Doctrinal Controverfies mentioned, moft of them lie more in words then in fence, and all of them arc far from the foundation , though they be about Chrift, who is the Foundation. If one Of your pidure-drawersmiftake the comple- xion of Chrift, or if one fhould fay he was not buried in a fheet, thefe are errours about Chrift that is the foundation, and yet far from the foundation. Thofe of us that fay Chrift djed fir alj t and thofe that fay he dyed not for all , do agree as your School-men do, that he dyed for all, as to the fufficiency of his death and price: but he dyed not for all as to the ahluall rfici- ency of pardon and falv at ion : Is not this your do&rine r and is not this ours? and are not you as much difagreed about it as we ? whatclfe meant the late decifion againft thejanfenifts ? and what meaneth the prefent perfecution of them in France} And yet have you the faces to make this a reproach of us? And for the A f\ey for Catholkks. 109 the right eoftfnefs ofCbrift y we are commonly agreed that it is both bis Obedience and Paflion that we are juftified and faved by : though we are cot all of r. mind about the reafon of their fe- veral intcrefts ; which difference is fo far from unchriftening us, that it makes no considerable odds among our felves, who arc cenforioos enough in cafes of difference. And for different forms of worfhip, furethefemen do wil- fully forget what a number of Offices and Mafs books have been among themfelves and other Churches? and whac a num- ber of Letanics or Liturgies of fevcral ages and Churches they have given us in the Bibltotheca Patrnm t but more of this anon. 2. And as for the changes and tmfixednefs which they charge us with, we are.contentcd that 1 . Our principles. 2. And our faciifes be compared wirh the Pepifts , and then let even .mo- deft and judicious enemies be judges which of us are more fix- ed, or more mutable. 1. For our Principles : we rake only Chrift to be the chief Foundation of our Faich^smd his infp red Prophets and Apoftlcs to be the fecondary foundat on : whereas the Papifts build upon many a moft ungodly ignorant man , becaufe he is the Pope of Rome. And which of thefeis the firmer founda- tion? 2. We take nothing for our Rule but the fure word of God contained in the holy Scripturestbut the Papifts take the Decrees of all Popes and Councils fjr their Rule : Oar Rule they con- fefi to be Divine and infallible : Their Rule we affirm to be humane and fallible. Which then is like to be more firm.? Our Rule (thefacred Scrp.uresin the Originall languages, as to the words, and the matter of themes to the fence ) the Pa- pifts them felves ennfefs unchangeable ; but whether they will fay as much of their own, I will try by two or three Inftances. 1. What an alter tion Pope Sixtus, and Pope Clement made in the Vu'gar Latine Bible, which is one part of their Rule, I told you befo-e, and Dr. fames his Bellum Pavale trill tell yon the particulars. 2. The other part is their Decrees, of which Pope Leo the ten'h in Bulla contr. Luth. in Binnius , page 655. faith \_ the holy Popes onr prcdecc^rs never erred in their Canons and Conflitmi»ns ] And yet hear what Pope Jftlius the fecoud faith in his General Councill at the Late- P 3 rane MO A Key for Catholicks. rsne with their approbation, Cant, pragmat. fani~L monitor. ' r Biw.ntt^ vol. 4. pag. 560. \_ Though the Inflitutisns of J acred Canons t hr>lj Fat hers, and Popes of Rome and their Decreet be judged immutable, as made by Divine lit fair aticv j jtt the Pope of Roane, who, though «f unequal merits, holdah the place $f the Eternal King y and the Maker of all things , and all Laws on earth , muj abrogate thefe Decre's when they are abufed. ] You fee here from the mouth of Infallibility it felf ( if the Roman faith have any ) of what continuance we may judge their Immutable Decrees to be of, which are made as by Divine infpiration : they are Immutable till the Pope abrogate them, who being in Gods place, though of unequal merits ( O humble con- feflion r ) is of power to do ir. 3 . We have a Rule that was perfetledby C^rifi and his %Api~ files, to which nothing can be added, and therefore we are ac a Certainty for our Religion : for we have a fure and perfect Rule from Heaven. Nothing may be added to it, or taken from it. B : Jt the Papifts do profefs that the Determinations of the Pope or Councill may make a point (and fo five thoufand points, for there is no certain number ) to be de fide articles of faith, and necefTary to falvation, though not in fe y yet quoad nos, as to us. ( And what it is for a Law to be obligatory in fe, and not 70W nos, is hard to underltand. ) So chat the Papifts never know when their faith is perfect and grown to its fullftature. For ought they know a thoufand more Articles yet may be added. And yet thefe men of uncertain growing faith, have the face to perfwade men that we are mutable, and they are fixed. You fee our feveral Trinciplet : now to our Prattices. For our parr, 1 . We never changed our Head, our Lord, our Faith, or one Article of our Faith : if malice it felf be able to charge us with changing the fmalleft Article of our Faitb, let them fay their worft : we change not our Rule, the holy Scri- ptures, nor one claufe or fentence of it, but endeavour the prefer vat ion of the fame, which at the firft we received. In our contefts with the Papifts, our great offence is at their mutation from the antient Rule and way; we contend but for the faith once delivered to the Saints : the old tray with us is the good tvay : ^ve abhor a Religion that is new fprung up, or is lefs then one ihoufand five hundred and fifty years {landing at leaft. If we change A t\ey for Qitholicks. 1 1 1 change in any thing, it is but by repenting of our former change- ablenefs while our Nation was Popiftv, having then changed from the Apoftolick fimplicity, we change from that finful change, ana return to the antient way ag.iin. And if we have made any further changes fince our ftrlt change at the Reformation, it is but a perfecting the change to Antiquity, and Apoltolick fim- plicity which we then begun. R&tne was not built in a day, and is not pulled down in a day. The work of Reformation ii but or.e change; though u be not done all at one time. If we rind fomc fpotiof Romifh din uponus, that efopedusat our firit wsfh- ing, it is no dangerous mutability yet to w;.ih it oC If a man converted by favino grace he not per c&ly rid of ill his forrrer (in the firft dsy of his Conveifion, fhould he be reproached as mutable for Hnving againtlit all his life afcer, End calling k oiF by degree* ?.«> he is abLrlfa man did bar recover by degrees from there'icksof his difeafe,they will not therefore reproach him as mutjb'eflffiefweep theduil or d.rr out of his houfe every day, they Wili not fay. He is mutable and knows no: where to rcfr. Thefe men might as well reproach us as mutabie, hecaufe we rife in the morning and do not (till lie in be^-or hecaufe we go to bed, at night , and do not ftay up ftill. But what is it that we are changeable in ? we have chanced none of thefubftanceof worfhip : did we baptize before, and do we no: fo ftiil ? Did we pray or adminiHer the Lords Supper before, and do wenotlb ftill? what is the change? why, i.We before tifed i he c smitten Trayer bet ^ and now we do nut. 2 . Before » e nfed ffJtjrrsMt the br.ria of the dead, which now are omitted. 3. Before we ufdthe Crcfs a*d S»rplice,*nd IfnteUddt the Sacra- ment, which art now emitted. Ar.dvchzt then ? therefore roe have changed $ttr Religion. Even as a man chargcth his tloaths by brufhing them, or his houfe by fweeping it, or bit face by wafli- ing it. Dothv'femen think us fofottifhas to place our Religion in thefe Circarr.da: ces ? God h?thbid us Pray continually : but hehath not to!d us whether we ih ill ufe a Prayer book or not, but left that to mens nece(fi ties or conveniences to determine of. And doth ft man change his Religion or Y/^rih; 1 ©f God, if he either begin or ceafe toufca Book? If any man had fa little. A-it Or Religion, as to place their Religion in a Prayer bock, ics no great lofs to them if they have k>ft their Religion, when the Praj qr 1 12 A K^yjor Catholkfo. Prayer book is taken from them. We doubt not but Prayer books are profitable to fome, and hinderances to others : force fhould ufe them, and fome fhould not : bnt whether we ufe tbem, or not ufe them, is no pirt of our Religion at all, but ameer Accident, or common help and appurtenance. God hath not told preachers whether they fhall ufe any Notes for their memo- ry in Preaching : to one ic is en hinderance ; to another an help. Do:h a man change his Religion when be changeth acuftome of ufing Notes ? God hath not told us what Chapter we fhall read , or what Pfalm we (hall fing, or what Text we fhall Preach on this day or that day. What if one age think it beft that fome Pallors give Laws to all the reft.tbat they fhall read no Chapter; preach on no Tcxt,and fing noPfalm but by their direction: and the next age think it meecer to leave it to each Minifter,as think- ing it unfit to Ordain fuch Miniftcrs that have not wit enough to choofe their Text, or Chapter, or Pfalm according to occaiiom. Will you fay that here is a change ofReiigioi ? Thefe outfide Hypocrices ceil the world what a thing they take Religion to be, and in what they place it. What if one man nfean hour-glafs in preaching, and another ufe none? What if one read a Chap- ter with fp;&adcs,and another without ? or if one preach in a Pulpic, and another below : or if one preach in a white garment, or another in a black :or if one (land at the Sacrament, and another fit , and another kneel : Are we therefore of feveral Relgions? or is this any part of the wor (hip it fclf? Do we not ail now either Hand, fit,or kneel at the hearing of a Sermon, as we pleafe? Do we not kneel or itand at Prayer as we pleafe ? Yea do not men commonly in ringing Pfalmsof Prayer or Praife to God, fit or fhnd as they plcafe ? And what if we do foac the Sacrament ? Is it not all one ? Or doth (landing, kneeling or fitting make another Religion, or any part of it? And for Marrying, Burying, Baptizing,and the reft, we have altered no part at all of the worfhip of God ; but order them in that man- ner as feemeth raoft convenient. What ignorant fouls are thefe, that think that the ufing a Prayer book, or praying without book, or the ufing this gefture, or that, thefe words, or thofc wo'-ds that are to the fame fence, doth make different Religions or Ordinances of worftvp? Thefe are tricks that none but the lottifhly ignorant will be deluded with, thas know not what Religion A t\ey JorJ^atholich. i i Religion or worfhir* is. They rmy as well fay, If I change my Le&yre-day from Thurfday co Fndsy, that 1 change my Reli- gion or the worfh'pof God. Thefe are our great changes. Well! will you now hear whether the P.'.pifls or we be the greateft Chavglings ? i. Some jttft changes they have made rhemfelves, that they know well enough are as great as ou'S. It was fo common in theantient Church to Pray on' j landing on every Lords day, and not to kneel at all in any part of the rvorjhip of that day , that it itas taken for an univerfal Tradition, and to kneel was taken for a great fin, and condemned by General Councils many hundred years after Chrilr. ; and yec the Church of Rome, and other Churches as well as we, havecaft off this pretended Tradition, vio!a r ed thisDecreeof General Councils, snd foriaken (his univerfal Cuftom of the Church, And the Papifts receive the Eucharift kneelir.g, for all this Law and Cuftome. In the primitive Church, and iaTertullians day es, a Common Fcift of the Church was ufed with the Lords Supper, and the Sacrament taken then. But now this Cuftom is alio changed. It was then the Cuftom to fing ex tempore in the Congregation to Gods praife. But now Rome it felf hath nofuch Cultom. Ic was once the Cuftom to give Infants the Lords Supper : but now Rome it felf hath caftoff chat Cuftom. Onccit was a Canon that Bifbsps mufl not read the bool^r of Gentiles, ( Concil. Car- thag.4.) which yet Paul made ufeof,and the Papifts now do too much value.Abundance men changes might be mentioned, great- er then ours,in which we are juftificd by the P.p fls themfelves. 2. But they have yet other kind of changes then thefe. They have changed the v ry Efftnce of the C At holick^(htirch (in their efteem ; ) they have changed the Offices, the Dodrine, the Difcipline, the Wc-rfhip, and what rot, as though they had been born for change, to turn all upfide down. In the Primitive times, the Church had no univerfal Monarch but Chrifl : but they have fet up a new univerfal Monarch at Rome. In the primitive times the Catholic]^ Church was the ZJnivtr- fality of Chrifiians : and they have changed it 10 be only the fab jells of the Pope. In the Primitive times Rome Was but a particular Churchy as Q_ J*- ii4 d K. e ) f or C^thlicks . ■ — — __ _ _ . ^,- Jerufalcm and other Churches were :buc they have changed ir, co be the Alt fir is of all Churches. For. many hundred years after Chrift, the Scripture was takjn to be a fufficient Rule of faith j but they have changed it to be but part of the Rule. In the ancient Church all forts Were tarnefily exhorted to read, or hear, and jiudj the Scripture in a kntvtn tongue : but they have changed this into a defperace reftrainc, proclaiming it the caufe of all Herelics. In the antient Church the Bread and Wine was the Body and Bioad of fhrifi Reprefer.tative and Relative :. but they have changed it into the real Body and Blood. Heretofore there was Bread and Wine remaining after the words of Confecraticn : but they have changed fo, that there remaineth neither Bread nor Wine, but the qualities and quaru tity, without the fubftance, and thismuft bebslieved, becaufe iheyfay it, againft Scripture and Antiquity, and in defpight of fenfe ic fclf. In the antient Church the Lords Supper yvasadminiftredin- both kinds i bread and mne to all: but they have lately changed this into one kind only to the people, denying ihem one half of the Sacrament. Of old the Lords Supper reas but the Commemoration of the facrifice of Chrifi upen the Crofs y and a Sacrament of our Com-r munion with him and his members : but now they have changed it into a propitiatory facrificefor the fins of thequ ck and dead: and in ic they adore a piece of Bread as very God, with Divine worfhip. Of old, men were taught to make daily confeffion of fin^and beg pardon ,and when they had done all, to confefs themfefves unpro- fitable fervants : but now they are fo changed, that they pretend not only to be perfed without fin, and to Merit by the Condig- qity of their works with God, but to fupererogate and be more perfect then innocency could make them, by doing more then their duty. Of old thofe things were accounted fins deferving Hell, and needing the blood of Chrift for pardon, which now arc changed into venial [ins, which properly are no fins, and defer vcxa more then temporal paniihgrcne, . Qf. A i\ey for Catbolicks . 115 O f old the Saints had no proper merits to plead for themfeives ; and now men have fome to fparc for the buying of fouls out of Purgatory. Of old the Paftors of the Churches were fubjed to the Rulers of the Commonwealth ; even every foul y not enly,fer n?rath y btit for Confidence fake was obliged to be fubjed;but now all the Clergy are exempted from fecular Judgement, and yet the fecu- lar power is fubjed to them : for the Pope hath power to depofe Princes, and difpoiTcfs them of their Dominions, and put others in their rooms, and diflblve the bon^i of Oaths and Covenants, in which the fubjeds were obliged co them, and to allow men to murder them by tabbing, poyfoning, chr. Jf you do not be- lieve me, flay but till 1 come to ic, and Khali give you yet fome further proof. Would you have any more of the Popifli Changes ? Why 1 might fill a volume with them.ShouId I but recite all the changes they have made in Doctrines , and all that they have made in Church Ordersi and Difcipline, and Religious Orders and their D.fcipline, and in Worfhip, and Ceremonies, I (hould be over tedious : their very Liturgy or MafT-book hath been chang- ed, and made by changes, fuch abundance of additions it hath had fince the beginning of it. What changes Sixtus the fifr, and Clemmkhe eighth made in their Bibles, I told you before : at alfo what changes they have had in the election of their Popes. And now I am content that any impartial man be judge whe- therPapiftsor the Reformed Churches are the more mutable and unfetled in their Religion ? and which of them is at the greater certainty, firmnefs, and immutability? Ch a p. XXIV. Detect. 15. \ Nother fraud of the Papifts, which they place a\ not the leaft of their confidence in, is this:? They perfiwade the people th At our Church and Religion it but new, ) of the other dayes invention : and that theirs if the only old Religi- ) on. And therefore they call upon us to give tkcm a Catalogue of the v profejfors of our Religion in all ages ; which they pretend we cannot do : and ask. *s where our Church was before Luther ? Q^2 TO i\6 ^ Kj?y for Catbolich. To this we fliall give them once more a brief, but fatisfado* ryanfwer. T. We are fo fully aflfured that the oldeft Religion is thebeft, ( fince the da^eof the Gofpell) that we are contented that our whole caufe do fiand or fall by this tryall. Let him be efteemedof the true Religion, that is of the oldeft Religion. This is the raiin difference between us and the Pnpifts : We are for no Religion that is not as old as thedayes of i he A poll I es : but they are for the Novelties and Additions of Popes and Councils. Their own Polidore Virgil de Inven. Reran*, p. 410. lib 8.C. 4. calling us a Sed, doth give you a juft defcrip:ion of us \_ltalicey>tia patla loqmn&i, &c. i.e. Having once got leave to fpea^ that feci did marvailou/lj increafe in a fljort time j which is called Evangelically becaufe they affirm that no Law is to be received which be loageth to falvatio» t but what is given by Chrifi or the Apeflles.~\ Mark what they confefs themfclves of our Religion : And yet thefe very men have the face to charge us with Novelty ; as ifChrift and his Apoftles were not of fufficient Antiquity for them. Our main quarrel with themis, for addmg new inventions in Religion , and their principil bufi- nefs againft us is to defend it,and yet they call theirs the eld Iieli' gion, and ours the new. Our Argument lieth thus. That which is mofl conform to the Doilrine and Practice of fhrifl and his Apoflles, is the truly An- tient Religion and Church. But our Religion and Church is mofl conform to the dotlrine and pratlice of the Apofiles : therefore it is the truly antient Religion and (fhurch. The Major they will yield: For no older Religion is dcfirable , further then as the Law of Nature and Moral Determinations of God are fliil in force. Ifuppofe they will not plead for Judaifm. For the Mi- nor, we lay our caufeuponit, and are ready to produce our evidence for the Conformity of our Religion and Churches to the dodrine and practice of the Apoftles. That Relfgion which is moil conform to the Holy Scri- ture is moll conform to the doctrine and practice of Chrifi: and his Apoftles : But our Religion ( and Churches ) is mofl: conform to the holy Scriptures ; therefore, &c. They can fay nothing againft the Major , but that the Scrip- ture is Infufficient without Tradition: But for that, 1. We have no Rule offdith but what is by therafelves confcifed to be true : A F^ey for Catbolicks. 1 1 y true : They acknowledge Scripture co be the true word of God y So that the Truth of our Rule is Juiliried by therafilves. 2. Let them fhew us as g:>od Evidence that their Additional Articles of faith or Laws or life came from the Apoftles , as we do that the Scriptures came from them, and then we (hill con fefs that we ome fhort of them: Let them take theControverfics be- tween us point by point, and bring their proof, and we will bring ours, and let that Religion carry it that is Apoito!ic3ll : But we are fure that by this means they will be proved Novclifl- For i. Their Traditions in matter of faith fupendded to the Scripture, are meer Hsreticall or Erroneous forgeries , ,ird they can give us no proof that ever they were Apoftolicall. 2. The Scripture sffirmeth it? own fufficiency j and therefore excludeth their Traditions. 3. 1 (hewed you how in their own General Council at Bafil, the Scripture Sufficiency was defend- ed. 4. 1 have {hewed you in my Book called the S.ife Religion y that the ancient Fathers were for the fufficiency of Scripture. 5. Their Traditions are the opinions of a dividing fed:, con- trary to the Traditions or do&rine of the prefent Catbolick Church.- the far greater part of Chrillians being again!! them. 6. We are able to fhew thit the time was for fome hundred years after Chrift, when raoft of their pretended Traditions were un- known or abhorred by the Chriftian Church, and no fuch thing; were in being among them. 7. And we can prove that the chief pointiof Controveriie mantained a^ainftus, are not on- ly without Scripture, but againft it, and from thence we have full particular evidence to difprove them. If the Scriptures p - true, as they confefs them to be , then no Tradition can be Apoltolicall or true that is contrary to them : For exam- ple : the Papifts Tradition is, that the Clergy is exempt from the Magiftrates judgement ; But the holy Scrip;ure faith [L't everj foul be fubjefl to the higher power , Rom. 1 3 . 1 , 2. 3 , 4, 5 • The PapiOs Tradition is for ferving God publicity in an unkrw-zn tongue . But the holy Scripture is fully againir. it. Their Tra- dition \s ag-iinftZ ty mens reading the Scripture in a known tongue, without Special l.iccnfe from their ordinary : But Scripture and all antiquity is ag.iinlt them. The like we may fay ofmany Other Controverfies. So that tbefe ieven wayeswe know their Traditions to be Q^ 3 deceit . I n 8 A t\ey for Catkoluks* .deceitfull • becaufe they are i . Unproved. 2. Againft the fuffi- cienCy of Scripture. 3. Againft tl'.fir own former confeflions. 4. Againft the concent of the Fathers. 5. Contrary to the judge- ment of moft of the Catholick Church. 6. We can prove that once the Church was without them. 7. And they are many of them contrary to exprefs Scripture. And if Scripture will bat (hew which of us isneereftthe do* ftrine and practice of theApoftles,tben the controverfie is ended, or in a fair way to it : For we provoke them to try the caufe by Scripture,and they deny it : we profefs it is the Rule and teft of cur Religion ; but they appeal to another Rule and teft. And thus you may fee which is the eld Religion •* which will be fome- whs: fullyer cleared in that which followeth. II. And that our Church and Religion hath been continued from the diyes of Chrift till now, we prove thus. 1 . From the promife of Chrift, which cannot be broken. Chrift hath pro- mifed in his word, that that Church and Religion which is moll: conform to tfce Scripture, (hall continue to the end : But our Church and Religion is moft conform to the Scripture • there- fore Chrift hath promifed that it ftiall continue to the end. 2. From the event. The Chriftian Religion and CathoJick Church hath continued from the dayes of Chrift till now. But ours is the Chriftian Rejigion, and Catholick Church : therefore ours hath continued from the dayes of Chrift till now. The Major they will grant: the Minor is proved by parts; thus. j. That Religion which hath all the Eflentials of Chriftianity, and doth not deny or deftroy any Eflcntial part of it, is the Chriftian Religion : but fuch is ours : therefore, &c . 2. That Religion,which the Apoftles were of, is the Chriftian Religion .* But ours is the fame that the Apoftles were of : therefore, &c. 3 . That Religion, which is neerer the Scripture then the Romilh Religion, is certainly the Chriftian Religion.' But fo is ours.- therefore, &c. 4. They that believe not only all that in particu- lar that is contained in the Ancient Creeds of the Church, but alfoin generalUllthatisbefidesin the holy Scripture, are of the Chriftian Religion : But thus do the Reformed Churches believe, &c. 2 . And for our Church ; 1 . They that are of that one holy Cathokek Church, whereof Chrift is the h.ad, and all true Chri- A f\ey for Qatholicks . up Chriftians arc members , are of tie true Church : ( For there is but one Catholick Church .- ) Butfoarewe: there- fore, &c. 2. They that areSancTified, Juftified, have the love of God in :hem, are members of the true Catholick. Church : But fuch are ail that are finccre ProfefTors of our Religion : therefore, &c. But all this will not ferve them without a Catalogue , and tel- ling them where our Church was before Luther: To this wc further anfwer j we have no ptculiar Catholick Church of our own • for there is but cm, and that «our Church : Wherever the Chnftian Church was, there w?sour Church. And where- ever any Chrijiiant were congregate for Gods wor(h : p,there were Churches of the fame fort, as our particular Churches. And wherever Cbriftianity was, there our Religion was : For we know no Religion but Chriftianity. And would you have us give you a Catalogue of all the Chriftians in the world, fnce Chrift ? Or would you have us as vain as H.T. in his Mr.r.u- all , that names you forne Popes, and about twenty proftfTorc of their faith in each age, as if twenty or thirty men were the.- Catholick Church : Or as if thofe men were proved to be Papifts by his naming them? This is eaiicbut filly difpurirp. In a word. Our Religion is Chriftianity. i. Chriftianity hath certain EfTentials, without which no man can be aChriiriao; and it hath moreover many precious truths,and duties neceflary xecejjitate pracepti^niaKo nccfjfitate nteMi y to the better beina of a Chriftian. Our being*.* Chriftians is in the former ; and our ftrexgtbind increafe and better-being is much in the latter. From the former ,Religion and the Church is denominated. Moreover,, 2. Our impliciteand a&uallexplicite Belief (ss the Papifts call them) mutt be diftinguifhed - y or, our General and our parti- cular Belief. 3. And alfo the Pofitives of our Belief muft be cUftinguiflied from the implyed Negatives ; and the expref* Ar- ticles themselves, from their implyed Confedaries. And nowpremilin^ thefe three diftinftione, I (hall fell you where our Church luth been in all Ages fince the birth of, Chrift. 1. In the dayes of Chrift and his Apoftles our Church was; where. they and all Chriftians were : And our Rcligon w*$. withi no A J^eyfor Catholicks. with them in ail its parts , both Effential and perfective. Thac ir, we now relieve r. All to be true that was delivered by the Apoflles as from God , with a General fs : th , 2. We believe all the Effcntials and as much more as we can underftar.d , with a Particular faith. 3 . But we cannot fay chat with fuch a particu- lar faith we believe all that the Apollles believed or delivered ; for then we muft fay that we have the fame degrceof under- ftandingasthey; and that we underftand every word of the Scriptures. 2. In the dayes of the Apoftles themfelves , the ConfiElaries, and implied Verities, and Rejections of all Herefies were not particularly and exprefly delivered either in Scripture or 1 ra- dition ( as the Papifts will confefs. ) 3 . In the nex: ages after the Apoftlcs, our Church was the one Catholic!^ Church, containing all true CJorifliatts ,Hcadtd by fefus Chrift : and every fuch Chriftian ( too many to number ) was a member of it. And for our Religion , the Effential parts of it were contained both in the Holy Scriptures , and in thePublick Profeflions , Ordinances, andPra&icesof the Church in thole ages, ('which you call Traditions : ) and the reft of it, even all the doctrines of faith and univerfal Laws of God, which are its perfective parts, they were fully contain- ed in the holy Scriptures. And fome of our Rejections and Confeftaries, were then gathered and owned by the Church, as Herefies occafioned the expreffing of them .- and the reft were all implyed in the Apoftolical Scripture doctrine which they preferved. 4. By degrees many errors crept into the Church : yet fo, thit 1 . Neither the Catholick Church, nor one true Cbnftia*i { in fenftt compofito at Icaft ) did rcjed any effential part of Chnftianity. 2. And all parts of the Church were not alike corrupted with error, bnt fome more, and fome lefs. 3. And ftill the whole Church held the holy Scripture it felf, and fo liad a perfect General or Implicite belief ^ even while by evill confequences they oppugned many parts of their own pro- fefiion. 5. When in procefs of time by claiming the univerfall Sove- raignty fame had introduced a new prctendedCatholickChurch, (fo A K^y for Qatbolicks. \ i \ (fo far as their opinion took ) by fuperadding a New Head and form, there was then a twofold Chwch in the Weft; the Chriftian as Chriftian headed by Chrift ; and the Papal as Papal Head- ed by the Pope ; yec fo as they called it but one Church ; and by this ufurped Monarchy as under Chrift endeavoured to make but one of them, by making both the Heads Effextial, when before one only was tolerable. And if the Matter in any pare may be the fame , and the fame Man be a Chriftian and a Pa' pift, and fo the fame AfTemblies : yec ftill the forms are various * and as Chrift ians and part of the Catholick^ Chnrch , they are one thing: and as Papifts, and members of the feparating fe& % they are another thing. Till this time there is no doubt of our Churches Vifibility. 6. In this time o( the RomifhUfurpation, our Church was vifible in three degrees , in three feverall forts of pcrfons. I. It was vifible in the loweft degree among thePjpifts therafelves, not at Papifts, but as Chrift ans. For they never did to this day deny the Scriptures, nor titeAncient Creeds, nor Baptifm, the Lords Supper, nor any of the fubftance of our Pofitive Ar- ticles of Religion.They added a New Religion and Church of their own,but ftill profefled to hold all the old in confiftency with it. Wherever the truth of holy Scriptures and the ancient Creeds of the Church were profefled, there was our Religion before Luther: But even among the Papifts the holy Scriptures and the faid Creeds were (vifibly ) profeffed : therefore among them was our Religion. And note here that Popery it felf was not ripe for a corrup- tion of the Chriftian faith profefled , till Luther s oppolition heightned them. For the Scripture was frequently before , by Papifts held to be a moft fufficicnt Rule of faitb, (as I (hewed before from the Council otBaftl' ) and confequently, Tradi- tion was only pleaded at confervatory and expofuory of the Scripture; but now the Council of Trent hath in a fort equalled them. And this tbey were lately driven to, when they found hat out of Scripture they were unable to confute or iupprefs the truth. 2. At the fame time of the Churches opprefilon by the Pa- pacy , our Religion was vifible ( and fo our Church : ) in a more illuftrioMs fort ,among the Chriftians of the moft of the world, K Greek', 122 A F\ey for Catbolich . Greeks, Ethiopians, and the reft, that never were fubjeft to the ufurpationor Rome, but only ( many of them) took him for the Tatriarch prima fedis, but not Epifcopus Ecclefia Catholics, or the Governour of the Univerfall Church. So that here was a viilbility of our Church doubly raure eminent then among the Romanics : I In that it was the far greatest part of the Catholick Church that thus held our Religion, to whom the Pa- pifts were then but few. 2. In that they did not only hold the fame Pofuive Articles of faith with us, but alfo 2mong their Rejections , did R.ejc€t the chief of the Popifo errors as we do. Beftdcs many particular points named in my Safe Religion,:hcy Reje&ed with us, the Popes Catholick. Monarchy, the pretended Infallibility of the Pope or his Councils : the new form of the Papall Catholick^ (fhurch , as Headed bj him, with other fuch points ; which are the very fundamentall controverfies between us and the Papifts. So that ( befides that the Papifts themfclves profefs our Religion) the major part of the Catholick. Church did profefs it, -with the Rejection of the Papacy and Papall Church ; and fo you may as eaiily fee where our Religion was before Luther^ as where the Catholick Church, or moft of Chriftians were before Luther. 3. And befide both thefe, our Religion was profeffed with a yet greater Rejection ofRomifh corruptions, by thoufands,and many thoufands that lived in the Weftern Church it felf, and un- der the Popes nofe,and oppofed him in many of his ill endeavours againft the Church and truth, together with them that gave him the hearing, and were glad to be quiet, and gave way tohis tyranny, but never confented to it. Concerning thefe we have abundant evidence, though abun- dance more we might have had , if the power and fubtilty of the Papall faction had not had the handling of them. i.We have abundance of Hiftories that tell us of the bloody wars and contentions that the Emperours both of Eaft and Weft have had with the Pope to hinder his tyranny-, and that they were forced by his power to fubmit to hiro,contrary to their for- mer free profeffions. 2. And we have abundance of Treatifes then written againft him, both for theEmperoursand Princes, and againft his do&rine and tyranny : fome ftore of them Goldafiut hath gathered • And intimations of more you have in A I\ey for Catbolicks . 1 1 J in their own expurgatory Indices. 3. And we have the hiftories and profefiions of the Albigenfcs, Waldenfcs, Bohe- mians and others that were very numerous, and if Raynenus fay true, they affirmed ( about the year one thoufand o.:e hundred ) that the-' had coutinued fintethe Apoflles , and no other Originall of them is proved. 4. Particular evidence unanfwerabl'e is giver in bv Bifhop Vfl.nr de Succef. & ftatu Eccl. and ^Anfwcr to the fcfuites, and the Ancient Religion ef Ireland, and in Dr.Field,snd Morneyes Aljflerieof Iniquity ^and of the Church, and Illjricus, and many others. 5 # EvenGe- nerall Popifh Councils have contended and born witnefs againft the Popes fuperiority over a Councill. 6. And in that ard other poims whole Countreyes of their own are not yet brought over to the Pope. 7. They have ftill among therafclves Domi- nicans, Janfenifts, cjre. that are reproached by thejefuitesas fiding with Calvin in many Controverfies, as Catharinus and many more in others, Moft points of ours which we oppofe to Popery, being maintained by fomc or other of them. 8. But the fulleft evidence is the certain hiftory or knowledge of of the cafe of the common people and Clergy among them, who are partly ignorant of the mam matters in Controverfies be- tween us (as we fee by experience of multitudes for one, to this day ) and are generally kept under the fear of fire, and fword, and torments ; fo that the truth ofthe|Cafe is this : the Roman Bifhops were afp*ing by degrees to be Arch-bifliops, and fo to be Patriarchs, and fo to have the firft feat and vote, and to be called the Chief fifoops or Patriarchs, and at laft they made another thing of their office, and claimed (about fix hun- dred years or more after Chrift ) to be miverfal Monarch s or Governoursof all the Church : But thoughthis claim was foon laid, it was comparatively butfew,evcn in the Weft, that made it any Article of their faith, but multitudes fided with the Princes that would have kept the Pope lower , and the moft of the Peo- ple medled not with the matter, but yielded to necefficy,and gave place to violence , except fachas the Albigcnfcs, Bohemi- ans, wickltffls and the reft that more openly oppofed. So that no man could judge of the multitude clearly, which fide they were on, being forced by fire and fword, and having not tbc freedom to profefs their minds. R 2 So 1^4 d fyy f or Catholich. So that in fumm, our Religion was at frrft with the Apoftles, and the Apoftolick Church : and for divers hundred years after, it was with the univerfal Chriftian Church : And fince Remts ufurpation, it was even with the Romanifts though abufed,and with the greater part of the Catholick Church that renounced Popery then, and fo do now ; and alfo with the oppofers of the Pope in the Weft under his own nofe. You fee now what Suc- ceffion we plead, and where our Church and Relig ; on it ill was. If any deny that we are of the fame Church and Religion with the Greeks, Abafsines, and moft of the Chriftian world, ( yea all that is truly Chriftian J leafilyproveit. i. They that are Chriftians joyned to Chrift the Head, are all of the fame Church and Religion ( for none elfe[are Chriftians or united to Chrift, but the Church which is his Body ) But the fincere Greeks, Abaflines, tfr. and we are Chriftians united to Chrift the Head : therefore we are all of one and the fame Church and Religion. 2. They that believe the fame holy Scripture, and differ in no eflcntial part of the Chriftian faith, are of the fame Church and Religion : but fo do both we and atl true Chriftians : there- fore we are all of one Church and Religion. 3. They that are truly regenerate, and Juftified, hating all known finjonging to be perfe&,Loving God above all,and feek- ing firft his Kingdom and Righteoufnefs, and accounting all things but as dung in comparifon of Chnft, thefc are all of the true Catholick Church.and the true Chriftian Religion: but fuch are all that are fincere, both of the Greeks, Abafiincs, &c . and the Reformed Churches ; as we prove, 1. To others by our Profefsion and Pra&ice, by which only they are capable of judging of us. 2. To ourfelves infallibly againft all theEne- mies of our falvation in Hell or Earth, by the knowledge and acquaintance with our own hearts, and the experience of the work of God upon tbem. All the Jefuites in the world cannot perfwade me that I love not God, and hate not fin, and prefer not the Love of Chrift before all the world, when I feel and know that I do ; till they can prove that they know my heart better then I do. 4. If Chrift Confent to it, and vec Consent to it, then we are all A K^ey for Catholicks. \ i ) all f that arc fincere in their profefsion ) of the true Catho- lick Church and Religion ( for if he confent and we confent, who is there that is able to break the match >) But Chr ill confenteth, and we confent : as we prove by parti, i . His confent is cxprcf- (cd in his Gofpel, that whoever believetb in him fhould not perifl, but have everlafcing life ; and whoever will, may drin\ of the waterof life f reel), z. And our confent we openly profefTed at Bapcifme, and have frequently renewed, and our own fouls are acquainted with the fincerity of it, whatever any that know not our hearts may fay againft it. 5, All that arc truly Baptized , and own their Baptifmal Covenant, are vifible members of the true Catholick Church.* ( For it is the very nature and ufe of Baptifme to enter us into that Church : ) Bnt Greeks, Abafiines, Georgians, Armenians, &c. and Proteftants, are all truly Baptized, and own their Baptifmal Covenant : therefore we are all of the true Catholick Church. What is ordinarily faid againft *Kf fucceffion of our Church, I haveanfwered in my fafe Religion. I now add an anfwer to what another, vi^.H. Turbervile'xn his Minuall faith againft; us in the prefent point. The cafinefs of his Arguments, and the open vanity of his exceptions , will give me leave to be the (horter in confuting them. His firlt Argument ( pa%. 43.) is this. [The true Church of God hath had a continued Succeffion from C hrifi But the Protefl ant Churchy and fo of all other Sectaries, hath not a con- tinued Succeffion from Chrijl to this time : therefore , &C ] tsfnfve. 1. I pray thee Reader be an impartial Judge what this man or any Papift ever faid with fenfe and reafon, to prove that j the Eaftern and Southern Churches have no true Succeffion. Let them talk what they pleafe of their Schifrae, the world knows they have had as good a Succeffion as Rome. Are they not now of the fame Church and Religion as ever they have been? All the change that many of them have made, hath been but in the entertaining of fome fopperies, common to Rome and them. And if any of thefe (which you call Sectaries ) can prove their Succeftion, it deftroyes your Argument and Caufe. Me thinks you fhould not ask them, where their Church was before Lnt her ? R 3 2. But i z 6 A Key for Catholkks. 2. But how doth this Difputer prove his Minor, that we have no Succcffion ? Only by a flark falfhood : forfooth [_ by the Cenccjfion of the mcfi Learned Adverfaries, who freely and unanimously Confefs, that he/ore Luther made his feparation from the Church of Rome for nine hundred or one thouf and years toge* ther, the whole world tiras Catholic/^, and in obedience to the Pcpe x>f Rome. Anfw. O horrid boldnefs ! that a man that pleads for the fan&ityof his Church, dare thus fpeak fo notorious an untruth in the face of the world ! At this rate of Difputing, the man might have faved the labour of writing his Book, and have as honeftly at once have perfwaded his DifcipJes, that his Adver- saries unanimoufly confefs that the Papifts caufe is beft. What if the fifteen cited by him had faid fo, when I can bring him one thoufand rive hundred of another mind, and cite him fifteen for one of another mind, is that the unanimous confefsion of his Adverfaries? But unlefs his Adverfaries were quire befide tbemfelves, there is not one of them could fay ashefeigneth them to fay. For doth not the world know, that the Eaitern and Southern Churches, far exceeding the Romanifts in num- ber, did deny obedience to the Pope of Rome ? Would this per- fwade his poor DifcipJes that we all confefs, that there are, or were no Chriitians in the world but Proteftants and Papil'U ? His firft cited Confefsion is Calvins [ that all the Weflern Churches have defended Popery~] A fair proof.' Doth this Dif- puter believe in good fadnefs, that the Wcfiern Churches are all the world* or a fixtb part of the world ? But this is the Popifli arguing. What Calvin fpeaks of the Weftern Churches, that is, the prevailing power in each Nation of them, he interprets of all the world. So he deales with Dr. White, who exprcfly in the words before thofe which he citeth, affirmeth the vihbility of the Churches of Greece, Ethiope, Armenia, and Rome ■, but only faith, that at all times there hath not been vifiblediftind: com- panies free from all corruption : which one would think every penitent man fhould grant that knows the corruption of his own heart and life. It would be tedious to ftand to fliew. bis odious abufe of the reft .• when they that fay moft of the word [world] butasitisufed, Lukz 2. i. fomuch of his firft argu- ment. Hijr A f\ey for Qa tholicKs . 127 His fecond is this, tvithout a continued number of Bifbops,Priefts t Laicks , fucceeding one another in the profcffion of the fame faith from Chrifl and his Apofiles to this time, a continued fur ciffion can- not be had ' But Protefiants have no continued number, &c. ssfnfvc And how proves he the Minor } No how at all ; but puts us todifproveit •, and withall gives us certain Laws,whica we will obey when they grow up to the honour of being rea- fonable. His firft Law is, clnt[j-V> mufi name none but only fuch as held explicitly the thirty nine Articles , all granting and denying the fame points th;.t the late Protefiants of England granted or denied for if they differ from them in anyone material! point, they cannot be efleemea Protefiants 1 Anfw. A learned Law ! And whit call you [_ a material point ?J You nny yet make what you lift of it. if they differ in any point Ejfentiallto Chrifti.t nity , we grant your impofition to be necefTary. But there is not the leaftChronologicall, or Geographically other truth in Scripture, but is a Material! Point, though not EJfential. Muft you needs know which thefe EJftntials are ? In a word : Thofe which the Apoflles and the ancient (fhnrch pre-rcquired the knowledge and profcffion of, unto Baptism. And becaule all your fond exceptions are grounded on this one poin-, I fhail crave your pitierce,while I briefly, but fufficiently prove that Men that err, and that in points materially may yet be of the fame Church and Religion> Argum. 1. If men that err in points material (that is, pre- cious truths of God , which they ought to have believed. ) may yet be true Chriftisnszod hold all the Eflfentials of Chrifti- anity: then may they be of the fame true Church and Reli- gion : But the former is true : therefore fo is the later. The Antecedent is proved,in that all truths which may be called Ma- terial!, are not of the tfTence of Chriltianity. Argum. 2. The Apoftle Thomas cried in a Material! point ( which is now an eflentUll \ when he would not believe C hrifts Refurredion -.and^et was a member of the true Church : there- fore, crc. Argum-i. ThePipifl; errin material points, andyetthink themfelvesofthe fame rue Church: therefore they muflcon- fefsthatd -ffering in Material points may be the cafe ot members ofthsfame true Church. For proof of the Minor, I demand: Are 1 2 8 A I\ey for Catbolicks. Are none of the points Material that have been fo hotly agi- tated between the Jefuites, and Dominicans and Janknifls? the Papal! party, and the Council! party ? The Thomifb, Scotifts, Ocl jmifls,^. Atle^ft review thejefuite Cafuitts cited by the Jan liftsMyilerieof Jefuitifm ; and rell us whether it be no whic Muerial Whether a man may kill another form Crown ? or may \llboth fudge and witnrjfes to avoid an unjnft fentence} Or whether a man fbottld go with good meanings into a Whore- houfe t per [wade them to /,< , -nee , that hath found by experience that W> n he comes there he is naught with them himfelf} Or whe- ther an n may lawfully lie and calumniate to put by a calumny} Or fpeak^ ^//ty with mentc.ll refervations ? Or forbear loving Cod many jtars together, tf not all his life? Are thefe points no whit Aiatmali You know that one part of you ( with a Pope and Generd Council ) are fordepofirg Heretical Kings, and murthering and (tabbing them, and others of you difavow it : Is th\s no -whit material r Ar.d yet you are all of one Church and Religion. A hundred more of your differences I could name. Argum.Af. From inftances of the Fathers that have erred in CMarcrial points , and yet are taken to be of the fame Church and Religion. How many Churches differed about Jiafter day ? what abundance of errors are in your Clementine j, and other fuch writers owned by you ? fuflin Martyr was a Millenarie : Numbered divers Infidels with Chriflians; thought that Angels lived by meat , and generated with Devils, &c. AthenAgoras thought that fecond Marriages were comely Adultery and that the Angels fell by the love of women, and begot Gyants of them t Crc.Iren<£tts hath the \ikc:Theophilus Antioch.worfe : Tertullian and Orrigtn you will confefs had yet worfe , Clem. Altxand. was for the falvation of Infidels and Heathens : againft fwcaring and many fuch , befides thofe before mentioned. Greg.Thaumaturgus hath divers, if the confefiion and other works be his that are afcribed to him. Cyprian, Ftrmilian , and the whole Council at Carthage were for rebaptizing thofe baptized by heretick<; Againft all Wars and Oaths Laclantitis ( with many more ) was a Millenary, and hath too many great errors. I have no delight to rake into rheir faults ^ but if it be neccflary 1 (hall quickly prove many and great errors by fourty more of them at the lcaft. And yec ail A i^ey for Qatholicks. 1 2 9 all thefe or moll, are confefTed by you to be of one Church and Religion. Argum. 5. From your own Confeffions. Be liar mine Jib.i.de Beat. SS cap. 6. faith chat he feeth not how the fentence of Juftin, lrenaeus, &c. can be defended from error . Of Tertullian he faith, There's no truji to be given to him : lib. 4. de Rom. Pont. c. 8. Eufebius he faith was aadiiledto the Heretickj. Cyprian he faith did feem to fin mortally : de Rom. Pont. lib. 4. cap, 7. Auguftine isaccufed by many Jeluitcs for going too far from Pelagias. Hit' rom is ofc pluckt by you. And (o are many more of the Fathers. And yec you confefs fome of diem at leaft were of the true Church and Religion. Argum. 6. if there be no perfeft concord to be expecled till we come to the place of perfect knowledge and happinefs, then it is not perfed concord, that is recefTary to prove us of the fame Church or Religion But the Antecedent is alas too far paft doubc. Therefore, &c. Argum. -j. If the godly and learned Doctors of the Church (and all men) have fome ('alas how many) culpable er- rors in matters of Religion (yea of faith, if you call that de fide, which we are obliged to believe) then thofe that have fuch errors may be of the fame Church and Religion : But the An- tecedent is fo true and evident that I think none but a blind proud Pharifee will deny himfelf to beg of God daily to par- don and heal his culpable errors. So much to prove that men of errors and differing minds ( if not about the eitence of the Church)maybeofthefame Church. 2. But why is it that they muft all needs explicitly held the thirty nine Articles f 1. 1 pray you tell us, whether all your own Church do explicitly hold and believe all your Articles? that is, all that Popes and General Councils have defined oc declared. Dare you fay that one of five hundred, of five chou- fand,doth explicitcly believe all this? And why then is it ne- ceffiry in our cafe that all muft explicitely believe all thofe Arti- cles } 2. Yea with us it is far more unneceflary. For we take not thofe Articles for the Rale of our faith, but only the holy Scripture •* And therefore you may as well tell us that no man is of our Religion , that did not write or fpeak all the fame words that fe well, Reignolds, Perkins, or fuch other have writ- S ceo ]o A I$ey for Catholicks . ten in their whole works. 3 . Its eafie to prove for all that, that the fenfe and fubftance of thofe Articles have been owned by the Churches in ail ages. 3 • But what if we grant your conclufion, that [ elfe they can- not be efteemed Prottfiants^ what of that t As if none but Pro- tejiam s were of the fame Chnrch and Religion with us. Sure you think we make a fed of our felves like you , and exclude all others from the Church and Salvation as you do! The word [Proteftant] is not thefirft denomination of our Religion from its eflence ; for fo we call our felves £ Chriflians ] only ; But it is a title that accidentally accrcwed to our Religion, from our Protecting againft your innovations and corruptions y and our Re- jecting the errors contrary to our Religion which you had in- troduced. Now thofe that were not involved in your errors as our forefathers were, but lived at a further diftance from you, might have no occafion to make fuch a Proteftation j and yet be of the fame Church and Religion as we are. Now to your particular Laws. 1 . Saith H. T. [ Let him not name the Wsldenfes : for they held the Real prefence, that the Afojlles tvere Lay men, that all Magiftrates fall from their dignity by any mortal Jin , that it it not lawful to frvear, Sec and Waldo lived but in one thoufandone hundredandjixty. Anfw. 1. We have better afiurance of the faith of the Wal- denfes in their own publifhed Confcftions, then from the mouth of their Ad ver fanes. 2. The Lutherans hold the real prefence, and yet are of the fame Religion and Church with us. 3 . The Apoftles were Lay-men in the Jews account and fenfe, as not being Priefts or Levites, but not in Chriflians account that be- lieved their miffion : and thus thought the Waldenfes . 4. They thought that Magiftrates and Minifters do by Mortal fin forfeit all the right and title to their office , from which themfelves may have comfort and juftification in judgement : But they never thought that they were not to be obeyed by others , or that their adions were not valid for the Churches good. 5. Many of the ancientelt Fathers thought it unlawful 1 to fwear at all,tbac yet are cited by you as of your Church. But the Walden- fes are flandered in thefe points. 6. Though Waldo was but about one thoufand one hundred and (ixtyjet the fame Religion and Church under other names 9 and before thofe names were fad* ned A I\ey for Catbolicks . I } i ned on them, was much elder, as Rajnerius may fatisfie you. So chat for all this , the Waldenfes and we are of one Church and Religion. He adds {_ Let him not name the Hujfites y for they held Mafs % Tranfttbflantiation and feven Sacraments^ that the univerfal Church con ftjled onlj of the predeftinate, &cc.~] Anfw. O what a fort of men have we to deal with? The Council of Conflance burnt fohnHufi to a(hes for faying that there remained the fub- fiance of Bread and Wine after Confecratien. and thatTranfub- Jlamiation was a new word to deceive men with 3 as Binnius him- felf cxprcfleth among their accufations of him : And among the articles for difcovery of the Huflkes, one was whether they take it to be a mortallfinto reject the Sacraments of Confir- mation , extream untiion and marriage* ~\ And yet now Httfs is burnt for it , the poor lay-Papifts are perfwaded by their deceivers, that the Hufines were for Tranfubftamiacion and (even Sacraments. Why then did a General Council accufe or receive accufation and witnefs againft him for the contrary? 2. That the univerfal Church asinvifible, and as taken in the firit fignification,containeth none but the truly fan&ified (and fo predeftinate ) we believe as well as Httfs • though in the fecond Analogical fignification , the Church as vifible, con- tained all the ProfefTors of faith and Holinefs , whether fincere or not. 3 . And that they were condemned by the Coun- cil of Conflance, and Httfs and Hierom burnt after they had a fafe conduct , doth (hew that the faith of Papifts is perfidr oufnefs, ( for whyfhould the people be more juftthen a Ge- neral Council ? ) but it (hews not that we and they are not of the fame Church or Religion •' you condemned and burnt thofe of our Religion too : therefore you thought at leaft that we are ncer kin. ButH.T. proceeds with his precepts Q Let him not name the Albigenfcs : for they held all marriages to be unlawfull, and all things begotten ex coitu to be unclean: They held two Gods , &C.J Anfw. Thefe are not only fuch faifhoods by which you uphold yourcaufe, but the more ir.excufable and fhamelefr, by how much the more frequently and fully deteded long ago. and yet continued in. 'T errin y Vigucrius and many others might have pre- vented your error: efpecially Bifhop VJherde Succef. Etclcf. S 2 cap. 6, \yi ^ Ksy for Catholicks. cap. 6,7,8,9, & 10. who hath given you enough cut of your ownwritersto have fatiificd you ; and (hewed you,, thatitwai frorothe Adrians and Manichees, inhabiting thofe Coun'.reyes among them, that the heavy charges of Bernard , Eckbertus Schonaugienfis and others were occasioned. And fee by him there ciced what the fame Bernard faith againft your Church of jfo;w,and then judge which he fpoak bsrdlier of. As for the Cathar.fU rex; added , the/ were not the Puritan Waldenfesas you fpcak,but part of the Manichees : and if fuch as they are defcribed, we are content to lofe their names^nd are not ambitious to be reputed tl eir SuecefFor*. He adds [ Let f.im not name the Wickjifunj ; for they held; that all things came to pafj by fat all necefdfj ; That Princes anal Afagiftrates fill fom their dignity and power by mort.il' fin. J Anfw.Vfz know by many afjvkklifi own books printed and ma- nufcript what his judgement was, what ever your Council at Conftance sccufehim of. It was a Divine Necessity oppofed to unctrtairtj , and to the determination of an unruled trill, that he mentioneth. And do not your Jefuites lay as heavy a charge on the Dominicans fometimes? and with as great caufe may many of your Schoolmen be declaimed for this as Wickjife, if you will undcrftand him, and them. Wickjife was known to obey and teach obed ence to Migiftrates. But is it not a fine world,. when tvickjife muft not be of our Church becaufehe is fuppofed to deny the power of Migiftrarcs in mortal fin? and yet the Pope and his Council determire tint Princes or Lords that will not root out fuch a? the Pop,: cals Ftereticksmuft be caftoir, and their Countrey given to others it feems you cake tvickjife tobefome kin to your felves. Bur we doubt not but he was of the CaihoJick Church and Religion, and therefore of the fame with us. H. T. adds Q Let h m not ha\ne the Grecians ' for thty re) tied the Communion of Prefefiants. Cenfur. Ecd. Orient. They v. ere at leafl [even hundred or eight hundred year in Communion with the Church of Rome. they were united to the Church of Rou e again in the Council of Norence - They held Tranfub'fiantiatio» % . (even Sacraments ^unbloody Sacrifice, Prayer to ?a'i#! s % and far the- dead • Anfv? If one Patriark, or twenty men re ] r & our Commu. A K^ey for Qatholicks. \ri nion, whats that to the Millions of Greek Cbnftians that never rejected it ? And whats that to all Patriarcks before and af- ter that rejected it not? Did fjril reje&our Communion, that hath publifhed a Proteftant confeflion, and was fo malig- ned, and treacheroufly dealt with to the death , and faifly accufed to the Turks by the Jefuites , for his conftancy f 2. Do you think the world knoweth not by whatinducementi you drew a few poor men at Florence to fubferibe to a certain union with you r and what death the Patriark dyed ? and how the Greeks refentedhis fad? and what a return they made to your Church? I pray perfwade your (elves that they and wc and allarePapifts. 3. If the Greeks did difclaim Communion with us, they arc neverthelels of the fame Church and Religion with us, for all that. Paulind Barnabas were both Chrifti- ans when they parted in difftntion. If<»ne ne ghbour in anger call another Traitor unjuftly, and fay he will have no Socety with him, they may be both the Kings fubjefts and members of one Common wealth for all that. 4. \s to the Greeks opi- nions, and the Papifts falfe accufations of them, I have fpuken already againft pretended Veridicusxn my Safe Religion. It is not you nor all the Jefuitcs on earth that can prove the Greeks and us tobefodiftant, as not to be of the fame Catholick Re- ligion and Church, You add £ Let him not name the Egyptian's : for tbej held Tranfub^amiation and unbloody Sacr ifi ;e, as is manifeji b) their Liturgies ; but denjed the procrjfion of the Hoi] Ghoji from the Son, and held but one will in Chrift. Godignus de reb. Abaf. lib. 1 .cap. 28.3 *s4nfw. 1. Godignus talks not of the Egyptians- but the Abaffines. This learned man it feems,is fo home-bred, and confined to the Roman Church , that he little regirdeth the reft ofthe Chriftian world ; or elfe he would have known a dif- ference between the Egyptians and Abafmes: He is likely to know well the true Catholick Church that while. 2. You can- not prove that they hold Tranfubftantion. Nor fhall your bare naming their Liturgy make us believe it. The I Liturgy you tell us not where to find, nor I fuppofe do you know yourfelves. An Ethiopick. Liturgy your compilers off he Biblioibcca Patrum have given us, Tern. 6. But 1. It hath nq mention of Tranfubftantiation in ir, that I can find, but onlv a S I lj4 A I^ey for Catholicks. Hoc eft Corpus, &c. which we fay in our Adminiftration as well as they. 2. And I find that Liturgy To concrary to the reports of your own writers concerning the pradice of the Ethiopians, ( as about the Elevation, Confirmation, &c.) that I rauft needs conclude, that either the Liturgy or much of it is forged, or that the generality of your own Relators of their pradice are grofly deceived, and do deceive, (which is not likely, becaufe they are many, and write at feveral times, and it is againft them- felves. ) 3. And as for the proceffion of the Holy Cjhofi, and the denyalof two mils in Chrift, fome of your own writers pro- fefs, that the former in the Greeks,and the later in many others, is found to be but a verbal difference, the fame words not fig- nifying the fame thing in their efieem as in ours. 4, However, if they would but become the fubjeds of the Pope, they might be of your Church for all this s and therefore feeing they are the fubjeds of Chrift,wc (hall take both Ethiopians and Copties to be of the fame Catholick Church with us, for all thefe and many other of their errors. Laftly faith H. T. [ Let him not cite the Armenians: for they hold but one nature in Chrift , and that his fleftj was changedint9 his Divinity, and were condemned by the Council of Calcedon. ] Anfw. The Armenians area confidcrable part of the Catho- Jick Church. Bimius in the life of Eugenius the third faith, their Catholick ( fo call they their chief Bifhop) hath infinite, that is, abtveathoufand Bifhop under him. Oth. Frifingenfis hath the like. 1. Though they held but one nature in Chrift, it was not by permixtion or confufion of the natures, as Eutiches imagined, but Conjundion or Coalition : Nicephor. Hift. Ecclef. lib. 18. .cap. 53. And divers of your own writers fay the difference is found to be but in words. And even all this they now deny 4 as you may fee in their own Confeffion published not eighty years ago, Artie. 26,2.7,2%, 29 y %o.&.Q- 2. That they charge the hu- mane nature of Chrift into the Divinity, is your flmder, and therefore no good argun?ienr. 3. That they were condemned by ( the five Ads, or in any Ad of) the Council of Calcedon, is another untruh • fure you go much upon truft, that dare ven- ture to fluff your book with fuch falfhoods. But the belt is, your firaple Papifls Know not but all is true: they mud believe you. A J^ey for (atholicks? i 3 5 you, and cannot difprove you. The Armenians then and we arc of one Catholick Church and Religion, notwithftanding all your forgeries and vain exceptions. I know that one or two petty Councils chid tbem for not mixing water with wine in the Eucharift ; and more then that , the Canons of the Qeneral Council called Quinifixti do condemn the fame error as theirs, and alfo their deputing the Sons of Priefts fuccefsively to the Priefthood, and not fhaving their hair*, and their eating eggs and chcefe on Saturdayes and Sundayes in Lent. But 1. We fear not to fay that we are of the fame Church with men that err more then not (having , or then eating eggs and cheefe comes to, or any of this. 2 And remember that this is one of your Reprobate Councils. 3. And one that the third time ( when two General Councils before had done it) did Canon. 36. ^\\t aejualiaprivilegia, equal priviledges to the Seat of Conftan- tinople as Rome had. So that I think you will have no mind of this General Council. And if any other have judged them Eucichians, though I renounce that opinion, yet I mud tell you, that my Charity covereth far greater errors in the Papifts, or elfc I could not take them for Chriflians. If theQueftion had ever been ftarted in a Council, whether mans foul and body are two Natures or but one, its ten to one but it would have made another hcrefie, and yet perhaps the real difference have been no more then it is now there is no Controverfie about it. But H. T. addeth [ Troreftants pretence to the fathers of the firft five hundred years, is very idle ; becaufe were It true, as it is mo ft falfe, that thofe Fathers were Troteftants, jet could not that fuf- fice to prove them a continued Succeffion of one thoujand fix hun- dred years. ] Anfw. 1. It fufficeth qs if thofe Fathers were Chriflians, as we are, though having no ufurper of an univerfal Monarchy to Proteft againft, tbey were not to be called Proteftants. 2. IE is an idle pretence indeed, to go about to prove a Succefsion of one thoufand fix hundred years, by the b ire in fiance of five hundred years : but your idle head hath forged more idle preten- ces then this, by way of calumniation. Buiyetwe may prove the Antiquity of our Rcligfbn from thofe Fathers, and the No* velty of yours, and a Succefsion for thofe five hundred years* and for the reft^ if the whole Chriftian world had been big enough * 1 1 (5 A Kvy for Qa t belie ks . enough for you to fee, you might havedifcerned our Evidence of a Farther Succefsion. He ?-dds [_Z. Becattfe thofe of the fixth age mufl needs k» rift Vfhitt was the Religion and Tenets of them that lived in the fifth <*%*■* fy whim they wccinfirticled y and ftith whom they daily con- vcr'.ed better then our Protefiants can now do j who have Protefied en their falvatiun, that it was the very fame nith theirs, received from thim by word cf me tit h, &c. ]] Anfw. i. Any tbing will ferve for the firople that will be- lieve you. But I pray you tell us whether it were all or feme of the fixth age that made this folcmn Proteftation that you mention. If all or mod, or the ten thoufandth man, tell us where we may find that Protefiation. If a few, they were not the fixth age. 2. If Pope B •■niface alone was not the fixth age> tell us where that 8ge did Proteft on their falvation, that the Bifhop of Rome was taken by their Fore fathers for the univer- lal Monarch and Head of the Church ( beyond his bare Prima- cy of ore'er) 3. What ag<; hath pro'efted on their falvation, that the Roman prohibition of reading Scriptures,, or of re- ceiving the Eucharift in both kinds, or other points anon to be mentioned, were the Religion of their Fore-fathers, and fo from age to age? 4. I pray you tell us whereto find this Pro- teftation of the tenth age, which Genebrard, Bel/armine y 8nd others of your own fo complain of, as having not learned men, nor any Council, but Apoftatical Popes and an ignorant wicked Clergy , that fufpeded a man of Herefie if he underftood Greek or Hebrew, and of Magick or Conjuring, if he medled with Mathematicks ? 5. It is legible in the writings of the fixth Age, chat they did fetch the dodrine of the fifth age from their ■writings ,&nd not only from word of mouth. What elfe mean the prefervation of thofe writings and thofe numerous citations out of them ? Nay more ; they would nottruft their memories in a General £"c«w«7 for the Canons of the Chttrch ; no nor for the Canons of the next preceding Council, no nor for the Com- mon Creed; but had all read and repeated out of the writing b:forc the Council when there was ©ccafion. And let Confci- ence be free to fpeak truth for a Tew fentencev, and tell us in good fadnefs, whether you believe that the Oral Tradition of all the Church did preferve the Knowledge of Aug»fiines % £pifhmHs lt A j^ey for Catbolicks, \y? Epiphamns,Chryfoftemes, &c. dodrine, fo much as their wri- tings do ? Is the dodrineof Acju nas^ Scotus, Gabriel^ &c. yea the Council or' Trent preferved now more certainly in mens memories, then in writing ? If fo, they have better memories then mine thac keep them, and they have better hap then I that ligh: of fuch keepers. For I can fcarce tell how to deliver my mind fo, in any difficult point, but one or orhcr is mifunder- itandmg and mifreporting it ^ and by leaving out or changing a word, perhaps make it another muter : fo that I am forced to refer them to my writing* : and yet there by negled they mifmterprct me, till I open the book it felf to them. 6. Either the Fathers of the fifth age are intelligible in their writing:, or nor. If they be, then wc may underhand them I hope with induftry. If they be not, then i. Muchlefswere their tranfientfpecches intelligible. 2. And then the writings of the fixth age be not intelligible, nor of any other : and fo we cannot understand the Council of Trent (as the Papiftsdo not that controvert i:s fenfe voluminouily, ) nor can we know the Churches judgement. 7. By ) our leave, the Roman Corrupters take on themfo much Power to make new Laws and new Articles ©f Faith .]uo4d fios, by definitions, and to difpenfc with former Laws, that unlefs they are all Knights of the Port, they can never fwear that they had all that they have from their Fore-fathers. 8. Well / but all this is theleaftpartof my anfwer. But I grant you that the fixth age underftood and retained the do- ctrine of the fifth age, and have delivered it to us. But that there were no Hereticks or corrupters, you will not fay your felves. Well then I the far greateft part of the Catholick Church did not only receive from the fifth age the fame Chriftian Reli- gion, but alfo kept themfelves from the grofleft corruptions of the Pope and hii flatterers, that were then but a fmall part • And thus we nick to the Catholick Church fucceeding to this day,and you to an ufurper that then was newly feton theThrone of uni- verfal Soveraignty. So that your chief Argument treadeth Po- pery in the dirt.becaufe the greater part of the Catholck Church not only in the fifth and fixth age, but in the feventh, eighth, nineth , tenth, thirteenth, fourteenth, fifteenth and fixteentb ages, have been aliens or enemies to the Rjman univeifal T Monarchy : i J 8 A I(ey for Catbolicks . Monarchy: therefore if one age of the Church knew the mind of the former age, better then the Pope did ,we may be fure thac the Pope is an ufurper. The third Argument of H. T. is, that the Fathers of the firfl five hundred years taught their tenets • therefore its iwpoffible they. fiouldbefortheProteflants. Ar.fw.\. Proteftanrs arc Chrilti- ans, taking the Holy Scriptures for the Role or their faith. If the Fathers were Chriftians , they were for the Protettants , but its certain they were Chriftians. If you could prove thac they were for fome of your miftakes, that would not prove them againft the Proteftantsin the doctrine of Chriftiamtvand the holy Scriptures ; and fo that we are not their SuccefT>rs in Chriftianity , and of the fame Church, which was it that you fhould have proved , but forgot the queft ion. And of this we flull fpeakto you more anon. Well! by this time I have fufficicntly fhewed thefuccefiion of our Church : and continuation of our Religion from the Apoftles , and where it was before Luther, and given you the Catholick Church inftead of a dozen or twenty names in each age, which it feerns will fatisfiea Papift 5 but yet we have not done with them, but require this following Juflice at their hands. Seeing the Papifts do fo importunately call to us for Catalogues and proof of our fucceflion, Reafonand Juftice rcquircth that they firlt give us a Catalogue of Papilts in all ages, and prove the fuccefiion of their Roman Catholick Church: which they can never do while they are men. And here I muft take notice of the delufory ridiculous Cata« logue wherewith H. T. begins his Manual* His Argument runs thus [] That is the only true Church of God, ft hich hath had a continued fuccefftonfrom Chrifi and his Apoftles, to this day, (ve- ry true') But the Church now in Communion with the Sea of Rome and no other, hath had a continued fuccej/ion from Chrifi and his Afoftles to this time : therefore, &c. ] For the proof of the Minor he giveth us a Catalogue. And here note the mifery of poor fouls that depend on thefe men, that are deluded with fuch ftuff, that one would think they fhould be afhamed the world ffaould fee from them. i. What if his Catalogue were true and proved, would it- ftrove. A I{ey for Catholic ks . i j p prove the Exclufiory hat [ no other Church : ] had a fucceflion ? Doth it prove that Conftantir.gpte, or AUx&ndrU had no fuch fucceflion , becaufe the llomanifts had it ? where is there ever a word here under this Argument to prove that exclulive part of his Minor ? 2. And note how he puts that for the Qneltion that is not the Queftion between uj. A fair beginning/ The Queftion is not abjur Churches in Communion witbyeu , but about Churches in jubjeltioH to you : But this is but a pious fraud , to fave men by decievingthem. The Ancient Church of Rome had the Church of Hierufalem . Corinth.Phili^i, Epbcftii^nd many a hundred Churches in Communion with her /.hat never were in fubjeflion to her. 3 . And if che Papifts can but prove themfelves true Chriftians, I will quickly prove that the Protcftanrs are in Communion with them {till, as Chriftians.by the fame Head (Chrift) the fame fpirit, baptifm, faith, lovc,hope, &c. though not as Papifts, by fubje&ion to the fame ufurper. 4. Our queftion is of the Vniverfal Church : And this man nameth us twenty or thirty men in an age that he faith were pro- feflfors of their Religion ; And doth he believe in good fadnefs that twenty or thirty men are either the univer fall Church } or a iufficient proof that it was of their mind ? 5. But principally, did this man think that all, or any befides their fubje&s had their wits fo far to feek,as to believe that the perfons named in his Catalogue were Papifts , without any proof in the world , but raeer'y becaufe they are lifted here by H. T. ? Or might he not to as good purpofe havefaved his la- bour, and faid nothing of them ? 6. But what need we go any further ? we will begin with him at his firft Century, and fo to the fecond, and if he can prove that JefusChrift, or the Virgin Mary t or John Bafti ft , or the Apoftles,or any one of the reft that he hath nimed,were Pa- pifts, (much more all oftheraj I am refolved prefently to turn Papift. But unle.s the man intended to provoke hisrea^ der to an unrevercnt laughter about thisabufeof holy things, one would think he fliould not have named John Baptifi , that was dead not only before Rome bad a Church,but alfo before the time that BelUrmine and his Brethren pretend that Peter re- T 2 ceived 1 4 o A Kjyfor Catbolicks. ceived bisComnvfjion, to be theuniverfall Head. And did noc this writer know that Proteftanrs can give him the fame names as for them ? and if printing them be proof, their proof is as good : If it be not, what proof fhall we have? Our proof is the Holy Scriptures, written by the Infpiration of the Holy Ghoft in thofe times. Therce we prove chat the firft Church held the fame belief as we have : yea, though it be not incum- bent on us, we will thence prove that the Catholick Church was not then P. pills. Whyelfedo we flill appeal to Scriptures, and they refafe to Hand to the tryal of it any otherwifethen as expounded by the Pope, but that we arc confident, find they d Ardent of them > We know tbeApoftles faith from the Apo- 't!cs ^ but the Papifts will not know it but from the prefent Church of Rome. 1 hey tell you the Apoftles were for them ; but how know we that? Why by the teftimony of the next t ge : and where isthatteftimony ? Why the third age received it; and how is that proved? Whybecaufe the fourth ar,e was of their mind; And how prove you that? Whv in tbeupfhor, becaufe the present age is of their mind: Wh^ but moft Chri. ftiansof the prefent age, are againft them: yea, butrhey are none of the Church: It is only the prefent Church of Rove. Well .' but the pre'ent Church of Rome reprefenred in a Gene- ral Council may err. I, but the Pope cannot in Cathedra and in app'oving a Council!. So that thefuram is this : IfthePope himfelf may be ;udge,the Apoftles werePipifts : Butif the Apo- ftles may be heard themfelves, they were none. I make no doubt ( though Btllirmine deny it,) tut other Churches can prove as good a fucceifionas the Romane, as to Bifhops^ And poor Bel'armite after all is fain to give up this Mark a§ infurficient to prove a true Church. Lib. 3 -de Ecc/ef.cap. 8. Dico fecunlo, Argumentum a fuccefsione legitime adferri a nobis fracifue ad frtbandim n«n ejfe Ecc/ejiam ubi mneft hac f/tccefsio, quod qui dem evident eft: ex quo tamennon eoiligitttr ttecetfario, ibi ejfe Ecclcftam nbi eft fuccejfio. By his own confeflnon then> fuccefiion will not prove the Romanifts a true Church. Bui as to a fucceffion of Religion , and a continuation of the Catholiek Church, for my part, I am fo far from declining ic. In argumentation, thatlbere.folemnly profefs to all the Pa- pifls. A t\ey for (^atbolicks. \ 4 1 pifts that ftiall read thefe words, that, AS SOON AS I SHALL SEE ANY CERTAIN PROOF, BY CATALOGUE OR ANY OTHER WAY, THAT THE CATHOLTCK CHURCH, HATH SUC- CESSIVELY FROM AGE TO AGE BEEN PAPISTS,IWILL TURN PAPIST WITHOUT DELAY: AND I CHALLENGE THEM TO GIVEUS SUCH PROOF IF THEY CAN. Nay if they will prove that in the firft age alone, or the fecond.or third alone,the Catholick Church were Papifts, I am -Jfn rcfolved to turn Papift : Nay I am mod confident they can- not prove that in any one age to this day, the Catholick Church were Papift?. And as to H Ts. Catalogue, I rcrurnhim fuither snfwer, that no one named by him in the firfl sge hrd any one of their errors: And no one named by him to the year four hun- dred, ( I may add, tothe year fix hundred, if his falfe catalogue be truly corrected) was a Papift; fo well hath he pre v:d the Po- p fhSucceflion. But for the plainer opening of this, I fhall add thedifcuffionof another of their deceits* Ch a p. XXV. DtttEl.16. A Nother notable fraud of the Papifts, is, to XjL confound all their own errors and corruptions together , and then to inftance in feme of thofe errors that are common tothemrrith feme ethers, and to omit the Ejfentiatl parts of Popery : And fo they would make the world btlieve, that if they prove the Antiquity of any points in difference between them and us, they do thereby prove the anr:qukv of Popery ( and foof tbefucceffion ) And fothev would mike our Reli- gion alfo EflentiaMy to confift inevery in r enour difference be- tween us. Suffer them not therefore thus to juggle in the dark, bur di- ftinguifh between the Effentials of Popery , or the m.-in d»ff»« rence between them and u«, and the other errors, which are not proper to them alone, T Jj Thut. 14* A I - k s - Thus BilLirmir.: ctftfn his jogltng lib. 1- de Ecclef. cap. 9. where he p'.eadeth Aoriqu'ttv of Do&rine as a Note of the true Church : And ( faun he ) J*m an bus modis y Scc- Tn> ypnjes fte may by this Mark prove our Chnrch. I. By jhtwin* ■the fentences of the Ancients y b) which ive confirm all oar tenets, and refute cur adversaries. Bin this way ( lath he ) is mofl prolix , ar.d dbmoxiutti to many calumnies and cbjcclions. ( Mar* Papifo,ind take lieed of appealing to Antiquity.) The other way ( faith he ) is fhmer andfttrer, by jhewingfrfl from the confef- fion of the adv.rfayics, that our tencnts are the doUrim of all the dnne»ts,&:c.] And indeed if the weaknefs or raftineU of any Proreftants be the Papifts fttengt^ \i s (\ mt f or us to be more prudent ; but if it be the Papifts unhappinefs that cannot under- stand the antiems in the smients, but only from the Pope or the Proteflants, the Fathers art fain into the hands of Babies as well as the Scriptures •, and the Proteftants have too little wit if they Will join with the P^peinan abufive interpreting the Fa- thcrs for the Papifls. And thus BelUrmine proceeds to cite Calvin, and the Cencuriils, as giving them the Fathers. But wherein? Forfoorh in the point of Frec--iri!l t Limbt4s, Concupi- fcence.Lint, Lay baptifm in necefsity, &c. And therefore by our Confefsions Antiquity is for thePapifts. And this is their fhorteil and furefl way. ( The core fools we then. ) Is not here great diffidence in the Fathers, when they have more con- fidence in our layings then their writings ? But this jugling will not ferve the turn. Take up the Ef- fcntials of Popery, and prove a Gatholick fuccefsion of them, and you fhall win the day. In Explication of my former profefsi- ons, I here again folemnly promife and proteit,thac [WHEN EVER I SEEA VALID PROOF OF A CA- THOLICK SUCCESSION OF THESE FOL- LOWING POINTS, I WILL PRESENTLY TURN PAPIST: OR OF ANY ONE OF THEM, I WILL TAKE-UP THAT ONE.] And I provoke the Papifts that boait of Tradition, Succefsion and Antiquity,co do this if they are able. 1. Lee them prove a Catholick Succefsion, or continuation s point, thitThePope of Home is appointed by Chrifttobe tver fall Monarch) Soveraign^ovcrmhr^ Head of the £V thelic\ A FQy for Qatholicks . 145 tholic\ Church, and the Vicar of (fhrifl on earth, and holding the place of God himfelf whom all muft obey. 2. And that the true and only Cat ho lick. Church is a Society thus headed and Governed by the Pope, and that no man is a true member of the Catholick. Church, that is net the fubjetl cf the Pope as univerfal CMonarch : Nor can any other befaved,as being without the Church. 3. And that the (fhurch of Rome is by Cjofo appointment the Aiiftris of all other Churches. 4. And that the Pope of Rome is Infallible. 5. That we cannot believe the Scriptures to be the word of God, or the Chriflian dotlrine to be trtn, but upon the Authoritative Tradition of the Roman Church, and upon the knowledge or belief of their Infallibility : that is , we muji believe \n the Pope as In- fallible , before we can believe in Chrifl ( ft ho is pretended to give him that infallibility. ) 6.That no Scripture is by any man to be interpreted but accord- ing to the fence of the Pope or Roman Church^andthe unanimous conftnt of the Fathers. 7. That a General Council approved by the Pope cannot err ; but a General Ceuncil not approved by the Pope may err. 8. That nothing is to us an A> ti le of faith till it be dccU-edby the Pope or a General Council ; (thsugh it was long before declared by Chrifl or his Apojlles as plain as they can fpeukj. ) 9. That aGeneral Council hath no more validity then the Pope giveth it. 1 0. That no Paflor hath a valid Ordination, unlefs it be derived from the Pope. 1 1 . That there are Articles of faith of Ntceffity to our Salva* tion, which are not contained in the Holy Scriptures, nor can be pro- ved by them. 1 2. That fuch Traditions are to be received with equal piout affeflion and reverence as the holy Sc-iptures. 13. That Images have equal honour with the Holy Go. fP'l- I4« That the Clergy of the Caiholick^Church ought to ffrcar . obedience to the P pe as Chrifl s Vicar. 1 5. That the Pope fhsuldbea temporal Prince. 16. That the Pope and his Clergy ought to be exempted front' the- ! ^ ± ^ /^g for Q the Pope may difcharge all the fub jells from '.heir allegiance and fidelity. 1 9. That the Pope in kis own Territories, and Princes in theirs , mujf burn or otherwife put to death , all that deny Tranfubftanti- ationjhe Popes Soveraignty^r fuchdMrines as are afore exprejfed , when the n ope kath fentenccd them- ZO.That the pecple fhjuld ordinarily be forbidden to read the Scri- pture in a known tongue j except fome few that have a licenfefnm the ordinary. 2 1 . That public^ Prayers, Trayfes and other puhlickworfhip of God, fhndd be performed conjlantly in a language not under ftoodby the People ; tr only in Latine, Greeks or Hebrew. 2 2. That the Bread and wine in the Eucharift, is Tranfub- t ami ate into the very body and bloob of Chrifi ^ [0 that it is no more true Bread or Wine , though our eyes , t aft \ and feeling tell us that it is. 23 That the confecrated ho(l is to be rvorfhipped wi;b Divine rporjhip, andcalledour Lord God. 24. That the Pope may oblige the people to receive the Eucha- rift only in one kind ,and forbid them the Cup. 25. That the /ins called venial by the Papifts,Are properly nt fins, and defer ve no more but temporal puni/hment. 26. That we may be perfect in this life by this double perfection. 1 . To h*ve no ftn, but to k,eep all Godt Law perfectly. 2 . To fu~ pererogate, by doing more then is our Duty. 27. That eur works properly merit falvation of God, byway of Commutative fuflice, or by the Condignity «f the -works as proportioned to the Reward. 28' That Prit ft s Should generally be fordidden Marriage. 29. That there is a fire called Purgatory^ -where fouls are tor' mented, and where fin is pardoned^ in another -world. 3 o. That in Baptifm there is an imphcite vow of obedience to the Pope of Home. 1 1. That A l^ey for Catholich. 145 $i. That God is ordinarily to be wor flipped by the Oblation of a true proper propitiatory Sacrifice for the living axd the dead , rrbere the 'Prieft only jh all eat and dr. nk. the body and blood of Chrift , r:ij le the Congregatim look on aid partake not. 32 That the Canon of Scrpture is the fame that is dec'a"edby the Council of Trent . I will oafs by abundance more to avoid tedioufnefs; And I will nor flay to enquire which of thefe are proper to the Papifts. Dud am refolved loro receive many of them as they can prove a Catholick facceftion of ^ that is, that they were in all ages the Do&rincofthe Uiiverfil Church ; Andl crave rhe charity of fuch a proof from fome Papilt or other , if they have any cha- rity in chem j and that they will no longer keep univerfal Tradi- tion in their purfes. And I would defire H.T. to rcvife his Catalogue, and in- ftead of twenty or thirty dead and filent names , that fignirie romoretlien Blanks or Cyphers, he would prove that both thofe p^rfons and the Catholick Church did in every age hold thefe thirty two forementioneddoArines. And whenhith done, then let him boaft of his Catalogue. Till they will perform this task, let them nevermore forfhame call to us for Catalogues or proof of fucceflion. But if they are fo unkind that they wiii not give us any proof of fuch a Catholick fucceflion of Popery, we (hall be ready to fupererogate, and give them full proof of the Negative, -That there hath been no fuch fucceffton of thefe thirty two point f,]a.s foon as we can perceive that they will ingeni- oufly entertain ic.though indeed it hath been often donealready. But certainly it bclongeth to them that fuperinduce more Articles of Faith, to prove the continuation of their own Articles through all age? ; of which anon. Well/ but one of thefe Articles at \caft(the Popes Sovereignty) H. T. will prove fucceffively, if you will be credulous enough. In thefirftage he proves it from Peters words, AEi. 157, 8, o, 10. God chofe Peter to convert Cornelius and hi- csmpany : there fore the Pope is the Vnivtrfll Monarch. Are you not ail con- vinced by this admirable argument ? But be forgot that Bellar- mine, Ragufms ( in Cor.cil. Bafil. ) and others of them fay, .that no Article can be p oved from Scripture , but from the proper liter -all fence. To lay fomewhat mare, he unfeafonably U talks J 4 ^ ^ /^O' / or Catholtcks . *a!ksof the Council of Sard's and (^ulcedon y an. 4C0. & 45 r, left the firft age have but a blink p. In the fecond age he hath nothing but the names of a few thatf never dreamt of Popery, and a Canon ( wh ch you mull believe was the Apofll'es) th.it Prices mafi communicate. Of which we are well contenr. In the third Age he nameih fifteen Blfhops of Rome, of whom thelaft wasdepofedfor offering intenfe to Saturn,] upiter, &c. But not a fyllable to; prove that one qf thele Biftiops was the univerfal Monarch: Much lefs that the Catholick Church was for fuch Monarchy. But to excufe the matter ,' hetelbyou, that the fecond and third Age produced no Councils (the greater de- ceiversthen are the Papiits that have found us Councils then) and fo you have no Catholick fuccefilon proved. Tea, but he faith, they have [ucceffions of Popes^MJtrtjrs and Ccnftffors, which ij fufficient for their pur pfifes. See the. ftrength of Popery I Any thing is fufficient for your purpofes, \t kerns. Rome had Btfhop.-, therefore they were the Univerfal Ruler* of the Church; A flrong confequence ! Rome had Martyrs and ConfcfTors : there- fore it was the Miftris of all Churches. Who can refift thefe arguments? But why did you not prove that your Confeflbrs and Martyrs fufTered for attcfting the Popes Soveraignty I If they fuffcred but for Cbriftiantty .," that will prove them but Chrifti3ns,andnotPapin:s. Thus you feeto theconfufion of the Papifts , that they have nothing to (hew for the fucceflion or antiqaity of Popery for the three firft Ages. Yea worfe . then nothing : For here he comes in with fome of the Decre- tals forfooth of fome of their Bifhops. Decretals unknown, tili a while ago in the world, brought out by Jfidore Af ere at on . but with fo little cunning as left them naked to the fhame of the world ; thefalfhood of them being out of therafelves fully p:o- ved,by Blondell^Reignolds, and many more,and confeffed by fame ofthemfelves. Here yon fee the firft foundation of Papal fuccefo Hon ; even a bundle of fi ft ions, lately fetcht from whence they! pleafe to cheat the ignorant part of the world. But in the fourth and fifth ages B. T. doth make us amends for his want of proof from the three firft. But fuppofe he do ; whats that to a fuccefiion .while the three firft ages are ftrarg^ ft) Popery f Well / but lets hear whzr he hath at laft. His firft proof A f\eyfw Catholkks. 147 proof ( after a few filcnc nann.es ) is from the Council tf Nice ; And what faith that?why i Jt defined that theSon of Godis cenfub- ftantiall te his Father, und trjie God And wha;s t hat to Popery ? 2 But it defined the Popcj Soveraigniji But how prove you that ? Why it is in the thirty nin.h Arab. Canon. O what Conferences havcthofe men that dire thus abufe and cheat the ignorant i As if the Canons of the firft General Council bad never been known to the world, till the other day that Alphonftis Pifanns a Jofilice publifheththem our of Pope Julius and I know not what Arabick book. Thcfe men that can m^ke both Councils and Canons at their pleafure above a thousand }ears after the fuppofed time of their exigence, do never need to want authori- ty. And indeed this is ^cheaper way of Canon-making in a coiner, then to trouble all the Bifliops in the world with a great deal of co!j and travail to make thern. But if this be the founda- tion, tm& building is anfwerablc. Their Bi (hep Zofimm had not been acquainted wish thcfe new Articles of an old Council, when he put his trick upon the fixth Council of Carthage, where for the advancement ofhis power (though not toanuniverfall Monarchy, yet to a- preparative degree ) he layeth his claim from the Council of iWctyis faying \_Placuit ut ft Epifcopm ac c»fattisJfterit,Scc] which was that If an (jetted Bifisop appeal ro Rome, the Biftcp of Rome appoint feme of the next province ts judge ; »r if yet he'dejtre his captfe to be heard ,the Bifhop of Rome Jh ail appoint a Presbyter hit Legate, &c. ] In this Council were 2i7.Bi(hops,yf«rf/wbeing prefident,and Attguflinc being one. They told the Pope that they would yield to him till the true co- pies of the Council of Nice were fearched ; for thofe that they had feen had none of them thofe words in, xbatZofimus alledged. Hereupon they fend abroad to theChurchesoftheEaft,toCc»*, flantinople, Alexandria, Antioch, &c. for the ancient Canons. From hence they received feveral copies, which all agreed j but none of them had either Zoftmns forgery in- nor the forged claufe which Bellarmm muft have in; much lefs the eighty ■Canons of Pifanus the Jefuite, or this one which H T. doth found his fucceffion on , but only the twenty Canons there men* tioned, which have no: a word for the Popes Soveraignty. And here note 1 . That Zofimus knew not then of Pifanus Ca- cons, or dfe he would have al'edged them ; nor yet of Bellar- U a mines 148 A I\ey for Otbolicks. mines new pare of a Canon for the Primacy of the Bifliop of Rome. 2. That Zofimus himfelfhad not the faith, the wit or the memory, to plead either Scripture, Apoftolical Inflitution, or Tradition, for his priviledge^but only a falfe Canon of the Coun- cil of Nice : as looking no higher it fecms for his authority. 3. How early the Roman Bifliops begun both to afpire , and make ufe of forgeries to accomplifh it. 4, That there wasnofuch Apoftolick or Church Tradition for this Roman power, as our Matters of Tradition now plead for ; which all the Catbolick Church mud know. For the wholeCounci'.wiih all the Churches of Cenfiantinople, Alexandria, Antiocb, &c. th.t is, in a manner all five Rome were ignorant of that which Zofimm would have had them believe, and Bcllarmineand H. T. would have us to believe. 5. Note alfo how little the Church then be- lieved the Popes infallibility. 6. Yea Note, how upon tta recep- tion of the feveral Copies of the N ; cene Canons, they modeflly convi&ed Zoftmut of falfhood : And how the Council refolved againft his ufurpation. See in the African Council?, the Epiflle of Cjril and Alexandra, and Atticusof.Cenflant-nop'e: and theEpiftles of the Council to Boniface and CeUfline. In their Epiftle to Boniface before they, had received their nn- fwers from other Churches about the Nicene Canons, they tell him that the) believed thej Jhould not fhfftr that Arro- gancy [ nonfumus iflum typhum pajfuri ~] But to CeUfline they conclude more plainly, though modeftly Q Presbytirorum cjrtos}\ Crfec[uentium,&c.i.e. \ Let jour holintfs , as befeemeth you, re- fill the wicked refuges of Presbyters and the Clergy that follow them ; becaufe this is not derogate, or taken from the African Church by any Definition of the Fathers ; and the Nicene Decrees mofl plainly committed both the infer -our C^rjy , A*d Bifhops themfelves to the Metropolitans. For they did mofl prudently, and ■mtfl juftly provide , that all bujinejfes (N.B. all ) fieuld be ended in the very places where they begun ; and the Grace of the holy GhoflVt ill not ( or Jhould not ) be Wanting to each province * which equity Jhould by the Triefts ofChrift be prudently obferved, and mofl conjfantly maintained: Efpecialh, becaufe it is grantid to every one to appeal to the Councils of their cttv> Province , or to a V 'niver fall Council , if he be of ended with the judge- ment of the Cegnitcrt. Vnltfs thtre jhould be any one that can think : A l\ey jor Qitbolicks. 149 thinks that our God can infpire a jxftice of trjall into an] one man ( N. B. ) and deny it to innume; s.b'e Friefi s that are congregated in Council/. Or how can that judgement thus pafi beyond fea be valid, to which the neceffary ferfens of the witnefs could not be brought, cither becanfe of the infirmities of fex/r of age \maiy other impediments intervening. For that any ( '. e. Legates ) Jh uld be fent as from the fide of yow hclinefs,rv, find not cenfiituted by any Synod of the Fathers. Btcaufe that which you fent us bj onr ftl> low Bijhopv- u([\nu^ as done by the Nicene Council in the truer Councils, received as the Niece, ( fent from holy C ynl our fel- low Bi/hcp of the Church of A 'ex in dm , and from venerable Atticus the Bifij-.p of Conftantinop'e, out of the Authenticity (Re- cords,) which alfo heretofore were fent by us to Boniface yjur predeceff J r i Bifhop of venerable memory, by Innocent a 'Presbyter^ a>.d Marcellus Subdeacen, by whom they were from them to us di- rected, ) imvhich we could find no fwh matter, \s4nd do not ye fend your Clergy executors to potent men ; do not ye field to it ; /eft we feem to bring the fmoaky ^rrogancy of the world ( or fecular ar ■ rogancy ) into the Church of Chrifi, which preferreth the light of fimplicity ard day of humility fir them that dc fire to fee God. For of our brother Fauftinus, we arefecure, that the fafe brotherly cr^- rityinynr ho lint (fits honefiy ani moderation y can fuffer him to fay m longer in Africa. 3 Well faid Aureliui I Well faid A U gufiine ! Well faid all you African Fathers'. Hid others P.uckas clofeto it asyou 3 th.2pa. pacy had been kept from the Univerfail Monarchy. Note here i. That this Counc 1 lookt no higher for the pow- er of the Pope and other Metropolitans, then to the Council of Nice , and thought it a good argument, that th^ Pope hid no fuch power, becaufe no Council had lb fubje&ed the A r rican Church.- And therefore they never dreamt that Chrift or the ApofHes had given it him. 2. Note that they evince the Nullity of his pretended power out of the N. cere Council. 3. Note that they took him not to be above a Council, having power to dif- penfe with its Canons. 4. Note that by the Nicere Council, not fome, but all bufinefs muft be ended where thev begin, and this Council fo inter prered 1 hem : and therefore rbcrt/s noappeals to the Pope. 5. And that he that faith otherwife unjuftly chugtth the Holy Ghoft to be wanting to tht( hu'eh. 6. Thacihsor- U. 3 der i j o A I\ey for Catbolicks. der is to be held faft. 7. That they took icfor a fufficienc rea- for. againft appeals to ^cwi?,becaufe all might appeal to a provin- cial or general Council. 8. Note that rhey thought it a thing not to be imagined by a man, that God fiiould give his Spirit to any one man> even to the Pope,to enable him to try and judge, and deny it to a Council, General or Provincial. This fecmed to them a thing that none fhould imagine, (o that they little dreamt of the Roman infallibility or power of Judging all the world. 9. Note alfo that they thought the Popeto beuncapa- ble of this univerfal judgement, were it but by diftance, and the natural impediments of age, fex, and many the like that muft needs hinder the neceffiry witnefTes from fuch a voyage or journey. So that they give an Argument from Natural necef- fity againft the Popes pretended Soveraignty and judgement. 10. Note alfo that they plainly make fuch judgements to be in- valid for want of necefifiry witnefs and means of profecution. 1 1 . And whereas the Pope might objed that he could prevent all this by his Legates, they flatly reje&that too, and fay they find no fuch thing Conftituted by any Synod : fo that they both re je&cd the Popes trying and judging by Legates in other Metropolitans jurisdiction ; and they took it for a Efficient ground to do fo , that there was no Council had fo conftituted; little dreaming of a Scripture conftitution, or Apoftolical Tra- dition. And if the Pope may neither judge them by himfelf nor his Legates, he may fit ftill. 12. Next they convince the Roman Bilhop of fending them a falfe Canon of the Nicene Council 1 3 . And they (hew us here what way the Pope then took to get and keep his Power .• even by fending to the fecular commanders of the Provinces, (in whom they had fpecial intereft: by their rcfidencc at Rome, ) to execute their wills by force. 14. And note how the Council plainly accufeth them for this, of introducing fecular Arrogancy into Chrifts Church, that bet- ter loveth fimplicity and humility and light. 15. And note how plainly they require the Bifhop of Rome to do fo no more. 16. And how plainly they tell him that Fattftinus his ftayany longer in Africa will not ftand with that honefty and modera- tion of the Bilhop of Rome which is neceffary to the fafety of brotherly charity. 1 J give you but the plain paflages of the Council as they lie be-, fore A I^ey for Qatholkks . 1 5 j fore you, and fcrucno forced confequences from them. And now let Binnius and his brethren go make women and children believe tbac it was not Appeals to l\otv.c,but a trouble feme mam.tr »f tryalthtt die Council was againfV. And let H. T. tell men that take him for infallible^ aNieene Cinon for the Popes Su- premacy and Monarchy. And Ice him periwzde ideots and. do- tards that the Catholick Church in the lounh and fifth ages for the univerfal Government of the Pore. Ai d fo J p. J to his nexr proof. Saith H. T. [The fir/l Conftanmcp.Council d creed: ' of Conftantinople to be chief next the Bifhop of Home. ] An fa. i. You fee then that Primacy was but the Initiation of Councils, for order fake. 2. You fee then that it was grounded on a fecular reafon; for fo faith the Canon [becaufcitis mrt Rome. ] 3. You fee then that the Popes Primacy was but hono- rary , and gave him no univerfal Government. For the p . i~ micy here granted to Conflantinsple , gave them no Govern- ment over Alexandria, Antioch^&cc. 4. Yea exprefly the fe- cond Canon limits all Bifhops without exception to their own Diocefs. And Jo doth the third Canon, exprefly affirming £ that according to the Nicene (Council in ever) province, the pro- vincial Council ought to adminifler avd govern all things.'] See' now what a proof here is of Catholtck luccefficn of the Roman Monarchy / Nay how clearly (till it is difproved to that time. The next proof of H. T. is from the third Atl of the firfi Council of Ephefus, thatVstCTj/et lives and exercifes judgement im his Succejforj ] AnfaWz turns us to look a needle in a bottle of hay. That Council is a large volume, containing fix Tomesii Binrdus , and not divided into Afts. But I (uppofe at laft I have found the place, Tom. 2. c 15. where the words \_thit Peter \xai the Headof the Ap(,files~\ though nothing to their purpofe, are neither Ipoken nor approved by the Council ,. but only by Philip a Presbyter, Celejlines Legate. And the Council, though fpecially moved by his concurrence to cx:oll Cclejline to the highett,yct r.Never [pake a word of his Govern- ing power or Soveraignty , but only his concent : And when they mention the Roman Church, it is only their co-cen; which they predicate. 2. And theyextoll Cyril equally widi Ctle/finc [Novo Paulo Ccl'flw ( they forgot Btter ) Novo l>Auh Ct- 1^2 A I{ey for Catholicks. rillo: . Vntt Celeftinsds , Vntis Cyrillus,'] &c. The next wicnefs brought is the Council of Calcedtn^as caU ing Leo ZJniverful A r chbifiop and Patriarch of old Rome, and fenttnee is pronounced againjl D.ofcorus in the names ofL-0 and Saint Peter. ] Anfw. i. Thisi* but one of your common frauds. It was not the Council that called him univerfall Archbfhop, but two Deacons in the fuperfcription of their Libel^viz.TWo- d'jras and Ifchirion. And were they the Cathoiick Church? 2.ByQ Vniverfal Archbifljop~\ its plain that they meant no more then the. chief in dignity and order of all Arcbbifiops ; and not the Governour of all. 3. I have fhewed you before that this very Council in its Canons not only give the Biftiop of Con- ft anthople equal priviledges with the Bifhop of Rome , but ex- prefly lay that Rome received this primacy of trder a patnbus, from a Council \becaufc it was Sedes Imperii, the feat of the Empe • rofir. I thought 1 had given you enough of this Council before. Sure I am when Bellarmine comes to this Canon,he hath nothing to fay for his caufe, but plainly to charge this famous fourth General Council with lying or fal(hood,and to fay, that the Pope approved not this Canon. But approved or not approved, if this was the Catholick Church representative, furelarnthat their teftimony is valid to prove that there was then no Catho- lick reception of the Roman Monarchy as of God, but contrarily a meer primacy of Dignity and Honour given it newly by men. In the fix:h age he had not one Council to pretend it feems for the Roman Sovcraignty, for he cites none, but about other mat- ters (of which anon. ) In the feventh age (which he calls the fixtb) though then the Soveraignty was claimed by Boniface fit citeth no Council for it niether. In the eighth age ( from the year feven hundred ) he cites the fecond Council of Nieces approving anEpiftleof Pope Adrian^ wherein he faith that the Roman Church is the Bead of all Chur- ches. ~] Anfw. 1. But whether ^r/<*»himfelfby the Head meant the chief in Dignity, or the Governour of all, is a great doubt. 2. But whatever he meant, the Synods approving bis Epiftle for Images, is no proof that they approved every word in it. 3 . Yea Tharafius feems to imply the contrary, calling him or\y J'eteris Rom-t primas & tefiatorum principum fucceffor ; as if his Sea had A E^ey for Catholich. [ J? had the Prmledge only of being the Primate of Rome and noc the Ruler of the world. 4. But if this Council did ^ as it did not) openly own the Papal Soveraignty, it had been no great honour to him : For as in their decrees for Images they con- tradi&ed two Councils at Conflantinople - t and that at Frank- ford contradið them j fo might they as wellcontradid the Church in this.- Even as they defined Angels to be corporeal which the Council of Later anc afterward contradicted. But the plain truth is, it was the fcope of Adrians Epiftle as for Images which they exprefTedtbemfelvcsto approve. And that their Image-worfliipitfelfhath no Catholick fuccefiion, me thinks they (hould eafily grant, confidering not only, 1 . That there is nothing in the firft ages for them. 2. And that Epiphanitts and many before him fpeak exprefly againft it. 3.Butfpeci- ally that there have been more General Councils of thofe ages againft them then for them, and that before this of Nice de- creed for them , the reprefentative Catholick Church ( ex- cept (till the Pope be the Catholick Church ) did condemn them. I fuppofe by this time you will think it needlefs for me to follow H. T. any further in his Catalogue. I am content that any impartial fober perfon judge, whether here be a fatisfa&o- ry proof of a Catholick fucceflion of the Papal Sovtraignn when through fo many ages, they bring not a word for any fuc- ceflion at all ; much lefs that it was owned by the Catho- lick Church : and leaft of all that all the reft of Popery was fo owned. ObjecT But at leafl fome other points of Popery are proved by H.T.to have [uchafttccejfion. Anfw.Peruk his proofs and freely judge. Two of the thirty two Articles which I mentioned be- fore he fpeaksto : The one is that Bijhops, Prieflsand Deacons fbould abftainfrom their Wives , or be degraded. - ] But I. The Council which he cites for this, is but a Provincial Council in Spain in the fifth Age : and whats rhis to Catholick fuccef- (ion ? 2. The Evidences for the Antiquity of Priefts marriages ere fo clear and numerous, that I will not thank any of tbem to confefs their doftrine a Novelty. 1 Cor.9. 5. Have we not power to leadabtttta Sifter ^aWife as well as other -4poJlles % andas the br"hrcn of the Lord and Cephas ? I hope they will not deny X chat 154 ^K§yf or Catholick* * that Peter had a Wife ? I Tim. 3.2,4.^ Bifhop muft be blame - lefs, the husband cf one Wife One that ruleth well his own boptfe , having his children in fubjetlion With all gravity. ver. 12. Let the Deacons be the husbands of one wife', ruling their children^ and thtir own houfes well, Tit. I. 7. If any be blamelefs, the husband of one Wife, having faithful! children^ ■ The Ancient Canons called the Apoftles, fay, Can. 6. Let not a Bifhop or Presbyter put away his orvn Wife on pretence of Religion. And if he rejeft her, let him be excommunicated : but if he perfevere, let him be defofed. ] Let Bellarmine perfwade thofe that will believe him, that this Canon fpeaks but of deny- ing them maintenance: Canons as well as Scripture are unin- telligible to thefe men. The Canons at Trull, of the fifth and fixth Council, do exprefly expound this Apoftolick Ca- non as I do here : and they profefs it was the Apoftles con- cefsion then to the Bifhops to marry : and they themfelves forbid any to feparate Prielh from their Wives, and profefT.-dly oppofe the Roman Church in it, Can. 12, 13. For this Bellar- mine, Hb.2cap.27. de Pont if Rom. reproachetrr them , and thats his anfwer. Forfooth, the Pope approved not thefe (fanons s j. Let Adrians words be read, and then judge. 2. What if he did not ? Our enquiry is of Catholick Tradition and fucceflion, and not of the Popes opinion. But its eafie to bring much more for this. Another point that H. T. proves ,is, The fame Canon of Scrip- ture which they own : And for this he brings one Provincial Council, Cartk 3. as in the fixth Age. An excellent proof of Catholick fuccefsion through all Ages. But have we not bet- ter proof of the contrary ? Let him that would be fatisfiedper* life thefe records and judge. Eufeb. Ecclef. Hift.l. 3 . cap. 9. vel. 10. and there Jofeph. li. I. cent. Apion.Conftitut. Apoftol. Cwhofoever was the author ) lib. 2. cap. 57. Canon. /Jpsft.. tilt. Dionyf. Eccl. Hier.cap. 3. Melet. in Eufeb. Ec*l.Biflor. lib. 5. cap. 14.. Origen in Niceph. hift. Ecclef. lib. %. cap. 16. Ori^. Philocal. cap. 3. Eufeb. Hift. 1. 6. cap. 2$. Tertul. cont. Mj.rcion. Carm. lib. 4. cap. 7. Athanaf. Tom. 2. Efifl. 39. Et inSympf. Sacr.fcrip. Hilar. Pitlav.Explanat. in Pfalmos. Cy- ril. ( vel. fohan.) Hierofol. Catech. 4. Ccncil. Laodic. C an S9» Epiphan. baref. 8 . & 76". & de Menfur, & ponderib. Greg. NAtJanz* A l(ey for Qaibolicks. \ j j Nazianz. Carmin. deveris & genuinis libris SS. Amphiloch. in Ba)fam.pag. 1082. Hieronym.in Prolog, in lib. Reg< & Prol. in lib. Sslom.Et Epift.ad Lttam. & faffim.Ruff.nHs in Symbolum. But what need I cice any more.when Dr. C *fi» hath done it in a volume purpofely ? where this allegation alio of the third Cone. Carthag. is anfwered. AND now having (hewed you that Pa pifts cannot prow any Catholick Succefiion, or Continuations Tradition of their Religion, let us coniider of their filly (hifr,by inftancing infome by -points common to thera with others. Of which I (hall fay the lefs becaufe I have fpoke to it already in my Safe Religion. And before I mention any particulars, remember that Ib&Ye proved before that ignorance or difference about many points notefTential toChriftianity, may confift with our being of one Religion and Catholick Church, and therefore fuch differences are nothing to the point of fucceflion of the Catholick Church or Religion. This is plain to any reafonable man. And that the Papifts may fee that for their parts they have nothing to fay againft it, I (hall add to what isfaid, that they tolerate or plead for the toleration of greater differences among themfelves , which yet they affirm to confift with the unity of faith. I will now give you but an inftance or two. Thejefuits maintain, that if a man do but believe in their Pope and Church as infallible, he may f not only as fome fay, be ignorant of fome Article of the Creed it felf,and yet be a true Catholick,yea and befaved, butalfo) believe a falfe Arti- cle as from God and the Church : The former is commonly taught not only by fuch as JW«,that fay the Article of Chrifts Defcent into Hell is not to all of Neceflity to Salvation, bue by many others in the Do&rineof Implicite faith. The later claufeyoumay fee among others in Franc. lAlbmims the Jefuite, Corollar. pag. 250. where bis obje&ors put this cafe [ Suppofe twenty Bifbops preach to a comtrej man a falfe Article, as if it were fpokjn by God and the Church : that propofal of the twenty Biftopsisfo fujficientjbat the Countrey man prudent- ly formth an evident practical judgement , and morally certain, X 5 n i c (J A K^y for Catholich . to believe with a fpecttlative affent the Article propofed by the twenty Bifhops, for the Authority of Cjod as the formal reafon. Three absurdities fetm hence to follow. I . That the Countrey man fiould be obliged under mortall fin, to believe the twenty Bifhops, and fo the precept of faith fhould bind to believe a falfhood. Z-The Countrey man fhould be in Gods Grace without faith. In Grace, becaufe he commits no mortal fin , yea he obeys the command of beluving : Ttt without faith, becaufe he believes a falfhood op- tofite to faith, and fo lofetb faith. 3. GoA fhould concur to de- ceive- 'To the firft Albertinus anfwereth that its noAbfurditj that the command of faith do oblige to believe a falJhood,it being not per k,but per accidens.,To the fecond he faith,that the Countrey man doth not lofe his grace or faith, becaufe the falfhood believed is not formally eppofite to the true faith ( but materially ) Here you fee that a man may hold an Article oppofite to the faith materially, and yet not only be a true Cbriftian in grace and faith, but alfo in fo doing obey by accident the command of believing, fo be it he believe in their Church. And if that be h, with what face can thefe men fay,that our Church or Religion is new,or not the fame with the Greeks, &c» when we have the fame formal Objetft of faith, and differ in no Effrntial Material point ? See here their lubricity and parti- ality. One Inftance more : The fecond Council of Nice that decreed for Image- Worfhip , doth yet exprcfly decree thai Latria , Divine worfhip is to be given only to God ; Thomas Aquinas f urn. 3. ^25. art. 3. & 4. purpofely maintained that Latria, Divine worfkipis to be given to the Image efChrift % and to the Crofs that he dyed en ; and to the fign of that Crofs. Here is an Article of their faith cxprefly contradicted : And yet Aquinasis a member of their Church; And if any fay, he it no member, its proved paft doubt , for the Pope hath Cano- nized him for a Saint : So that now it is a part of their Religi- on to take him for a true believer : And Albertinus hath ( as he thinks ) proved, that though in many other matters of fadr the Pope be fallible , yet in the Canonizing of Saints he is infal • Jible, becaufe of fome promife of Gods fpeciall afsiftance ( if one knew where to find it. ) Abundance of fuch Inftances might be brought that prove, that the Papifis own men as true believers^, that A Kjty for CatboUcks. 157 that deny or contradict Articles' of their faith.But what need we rnore,then that France and thoufands elfwherc are yet members of their Church,that deny the Laterane and Florentine definition for the tropes Supremacy above a General Council ? and when cjoft Papilis hold that Angels are incorporeal, contrary to the definition of the faid fecond Council of Nice. And therefore by their own law, nay much more, we may well fay that thofe were of our Religion that differed from us in nothing that is in deed or our efteera Effencial to the faith. Now to a few parti- culars. i . The Papifts tell us that £ Fulk confejfeth that Hierora, Auftin, Arobrofe, &c. held the invocation of Saints ] H.T.p.49. Anfa. 1. If any hold that they (hould defire the departed Saints to pray for them, as ttiey do the living, we have reafon enough to take it for their error, but its no proof that they are not of the fame Church and Religion with us : As long as they give no part of that adoration or honour to Saints which is proper to God the Father, Son, or HolyGhoft, it is not inconfiftent with true Faith andChriftianity. 2. But yet werauft tell you that the Primitive Church was nnacquainted with the Romilh prayer to Saints. Till the end of the fourth Century they are not able to prove that ever three men ( if any one) were for any prayer to the Dead at all, except fuch a conditional fpeechinan Oration as Greg. Nazi- anzen hath £ If holy fouli have any care or feeling of fuch things as thefe, receive this Oration~\ Orat. 11. I intreat the Reader that needeth information of the way of Antiquity in this poinr, to read Bifhop Vfhers Anfwer to the Jefuite on this point, page 418, &c. Where he faith that [_ for nine parts of the firfi four hundred years, he dare be bold to fay that the Jefuite is not able to produce fo much as one true teflimony out of any Father whereby it may appear that any account at all was made of it"] Where he citeth the full exprefs words of the Fathers of thofe firfl ages againft praying to Saints,as Origen in Jus. Horn. 16. And in Rom. lib. 2. cap. 2. And Contr. Celfum lib. S.page 432,43 3, 406, 4 1 1 , 4 1 2 . & lib. 5 . pag. 239. Tertullian Apol. cap. 3 o. Tertullian and Cyprian of Prayer ; Athanafus Orat. 4. Cont . Arrium pag\ 259, 260. Ecclef. Smyrn. apud Eufeb. Bifl. lib.4. &c. I am loth to recite what is there already given you. X 3 3 . And 1 5 8 A t\ey for Catbolicks. 3 . And when Prayer to the deid did come in, how exceedingly it differed from the Romifh Prayers to the dead, I pray you read there in the fame Author. 4. And alfo of thofe Adorati- ons and Devotions offered by the Papifts to the Virgin Mary % Idefireyou to read in the fame Author, and Place, enough to make a Chriftian tremble, and which for ray part I am noc able to excufe from horrid Blafphemy or Idolatry , though I am willing to put the beft interpretation on their words that reafon will allow. 5...The Reafon why in the old Teftament men were not wont to pray to Saints, Bellarmine faith w&sfrcaufe then they did not enter into heaven nor fee God. Bellar. ie fantt.Beat. li. 2. cap. 1 9. So Suartz in the third part, Tom. Z.difp.^2. Sett. 1. But abundance of the chief Do&orsof the Church for divers Ages were of opinion that the Saints are not admitted into Heaven to the clear fight of God before the day of Judgement ( as mod of the Eaftern Churches do to this day ) therefore they could not be for thePopifti Prayer to Saints. And here again obferve, that men may be of the fame faith and Church with us.that differ and err in as great a matter as this. The Council of Florence hath now defined it, that depart' ed fouls art admitted into Heaven to the clear fight of Qod\ And yet Stapltton and Francif. Pegna. a Cafiro, Medina, Sotus,*?- firra that Jrenaus , fujlin Martyr , Tertullian , Clemens Ro- manus,Origen , Ambroft,ChrjfoJlom6, Auftin, Ltftantius, Vitlo- rinus,Prttdentius> Theodoret, Arttas y Oecttmenius % Theophilaft t Euthjmius, yea and Bernard,h& ye delivered the contrary fen- tence. See Staplet. Defenf. Ecclef. author, cont . pyhitak^lib .1 . cap, 2. with Fran. Pegna in part. 2. Director. Inquifttor. com. 21. Now as all thefe muft needs be againft the Popifh Invocation of Saints, fo they were againft that which is now determined to be de fide-, Whence I gather Con the by) 1. That the Ro- mifh faith increafeth,and is not the fame as heretofore. 2 . That they had not this Article by Tradition from any of thefe Fa- thers, or from theApoftles by them(unlefs from the Scriptures.) 3. That men that err in fuch points as are now defined by Councils to be defide, are yet accounted by Papifts to be of their Church and faith : And therefore they may be of ours , not- A I\ey for Catbolicks . i « o notwithftanding futherroursasthisinhand. 4- Ami notealfo by this ta{t,whether thePapifts be not a perjured generation, that fwear not to expound Scripture but according to the unammsus confent of the Fathers. 6. The Council of Laodicea condemned them as Idolaters that prayed to Angels, Can. 35. ( which Caranz,a, Crab, and other Papirts have turned into Angulos ; whofe ralfificadon you may fee fully dete&ed by the faid Bifhop VJber, ibid. pjg. 470,471,472. Read there alfo the full Teftimoniei of Greg. Nijfen , Athanaftus % Epiph*niut,&c. againft praying to Saints and Angels , and the dete&ion of Bellarmines fraud, that pre- tendeth the Fathers to fpeak of the Gentiles Idolatry when they mention the Virgin Mary and the Saints, and fay exprefly they were not to be adored. But for all this, H. T. Manual.page 291 t &c. hath Fathers for this Adoration of Angels and Saints. And who are they ? Thefirft is Dionjftus : to which I anfwer, 1. There is never a fuch a word in the place cited in Dionjftus , in the Book that [ have at hand, printed Lugdun. 1572. 2. We are for praying the Saints to pray for us too, that is, thofe on earth : And the words cited by him , mention not the Saints in heaven . 3 . That Dionjftus is not Dionjftus but a fpurious Apochryphal Book : Not once known and mentioned in the world till Gregory the greats dayes, ( fix hundred years afcer Chrift ) as Bellarmine him felf faith Lib.de Serif tor. Ecclef.de Dionjf. And lib. 2. de JHonach. cap. 5. The fecond is flem. Apoftol. Conflit. 5. Anfv. 1. The words fpeak only of honouring the Martyrs , which is our unqueftioned duty ; but not of Praying to them. 2. Its an Apochryphal forgery, and neither the Apoftles nor Clf ments Work which fie citeth ( bat any thing will ferve thefc men : ) Let him believe Bellarmine de fcriptor. Ecclef. pag. 38, 39. where he proveth it, and faith that [_ in the Latme Church , thefe Conftitutions are of almoft no account , and the Greeks them fe Ives Canon. 2.Trul. rejtel them as depraved by He- reticles, and that the receiving of them is it that mifleadeth the Ethiopians. ] See more againft them in Cook^s C enfura,pag, J7> I 8, 19. and Rivets Crix.Suc, Q-DaUus in Pfeudepigrap. The third Teftimony of H. T. is from J;*fiwi fecond Apol. Atf*. 6o A I{ey for Qatholicks . tsinjvr. It i»u©t Praying to Angels that fufiin feemcth to intend, but giving them due honour, which we allow of. His intent is to ftop the mouths of Heathens that called the Chriftians impi- ous for renouncing their Gods : To whom be replyeth,that we jet honour the true God y and his Angels>Scc- His Tcftimony for the third age is only Origen (and yet none of Origen) Firft in his Lament. Anfw.l. Origen there mcnti- oneththe Saints, but not the dead Saints. It may be all the Saints in the Church on earth whofeprayeri hedefiretb. 2. If this fatisfie you not, at lead be fatisHcd with this , that you cite a forgery that is none of OWge*/ works. Not only Eraf* rnus faith that \_ This Lamentation was neither written by Orf- gen, nor tr anflated by Hierom, but is the fiction of fome unlearn^ cdman, that by this tricl^devifed te defame Origen: ) Buti?4« ronius Annal. Tit. 2. ad an, 25 3- f- 477- witncfTeth that Pope Gelafius numbers it with the Apocryphals. But B. T. hath a fecond teftiraony from Origin, in Cantic. Bom. 3 . Anp», 1 . That fpeaks of the Saints prayer for us, bui not of our prayers to them one word, which is the thing in queftion. 2. But Erafmus and others bave (hewed that nei- ther is this any of Origins works. Sixtus Senenfis faith, that fome old Books put Hieroms name to it: And Lombard and Aquinas cite pafTages out of it as Ambrofes. You fee now what Testimonies B. T. hath produced foe the firft three Ages, even till above four hundred years after Chrift. And yet no doubt but this is currant proof with the poor deluded Papifts that read his Book. 2. The next exception to be confidered is , fraying for the Dead : which they fay the ancient Church was for. Anfw. 1. Wc are for the Commemoration of the holy lives tnd fufferings of the Saints : and the firft fort of the ancients prayers for them began here, as the occafion. 2. We are foe chankfull acknowledgement of Gods Mercies to the departed Saints, and to the Church by them. And the firft prayers for them were fuch aithefe. 3. Bifhop VJbtr hath copioufly pro- ved that they were Saints, fuppofed to be in Heaven or Para- dife, and not in Purgatory, that were then prayed for : and therefore that it was not the Popifli praying for tormented fouls that was then pradifed ; And therefore their prayers * h fr A K^yfor Catholic ks . 1 6 1 then were befides Commemorations and Tharkfgivmgs, the pe-^ titioning of all thofefollowirg Mercies for them which are not to be received till the refarrc&ion.- Be l/armine himfelf proving that though we we certain that the bit fed fouls fhall have a raifed ghrified body, and be jufiified in the lajt Judgement , jet may it be frayed for , becaufeit is jet future. Now we are far from being of another Church or Religion then thofe that hold fuch an opini- on at this. Saith V/bcrpag. 224. when he had cited many tefti- monies £ In thefe and other prayers of the like kindle may defcry evident feetftcps of the primary intention of the Church in herfup- plications for the dead : Vt>hich was that the whole man ( not the foul feparated inly ) might receive public]^ rem