rf- CORNELL UNIVERSITY LIBRARY Cornell University Library The original of tiiis book is in tine Cornell University Library. There are no known copyright restrictions in the United States on the use of the text. http://www.archive.org/details/cu31924032544813 SELECTED SPEECHES AND REPOETS ON FIKAICE AND TAXATION, FROM 1859 TO 1878. BT JOHN SHERMAN ITEW YORK: D. APPLETOlSr AND COMPANY, 549 AND 661 BROADWAY. 1879. I r OOPTEIGHT BT D. APPLETON AND COMPANY, 1879. jU)SI t PREFACE. Tit accordance witli the erpressed wish of friends and for con- venient reference, I have selected for publication the following speeches and reports made by me on the finances and taxation of the Govern- ment since 1859. Most of the topics mentioned are stiU debated in Congress and before the people. Many of the speeches were made on the passage of Acts of Congress now forming the body of existing laws relating to the issue of United States notes and coins, and the circulating notes of national banks. The few explanatory remarks are deemed necessary to enable the reader to better understand the subject under discussion, and no revision has been attempted except to correct verbal inaccu- racies. If this work shall contribute in any way to throw light upon the important problem of securing a stable currency of paper money re- deemable in coin, it will have accomplished its purpose. John Shbkmam'. CONTENTS, On the Moeeill Tariff Bill In the House of Bepresentativea, Moa/ 7, 1860. On the Issue op Teeasuet Notes In the Souse of Representatwea, December 10, 1860. On the Loan of Twenty-five Million Dollaes In the Souse of Bepresentatkes, February S, 1861.. Issue of United States Notes In the Senate, February 13, 1862. Taxation of Bank Bills .... In the Senate of the United States, January 8, 1863. National Cueeenoy .... In the Senate, February 9, 1863. National Bank Cueeency In the Senate of the United States, February 10, 1863. On the Genbeal Financial Policy of q:HE Goveenment In the Senate of the United States, February j27, 1865. Ways and Means . April 9, 1866. Funding the National Debt In the United States Senate, May SS, 1866. The Taeifp .... In the Senate, January S3, 1867. The Public Debt . In the Senate, December 17, 1867. The Funding Bill . In the Senate, February ^, 1868, Inteenational Monetaey Standaed In the Senate, June 9, 1868. a « PAGE 1 • 13 • 19 • • 23 • 32 ■> 51 • 58 ENT 80 • 88 « 97 121 9 , 138 • . 156 9 , 179 SELECTED SPEECHES AND KEPOETS FINANCE AND TAXATION. ON THE MORiliLL TAEIFF BILL. ZAT TEE HOUSE OF BEP RESENT AT IVES, MAY 7, 1860. THIRTY-SIXTH CONGRESS. This speech was made with a view of securing additional revenues to strengthen the Treasury, which, since the first year of Mr. Buchanan's administration, then in power, had suffered unusual depletion. On June 30, ISSV, the public debt was only $29,060,386.90, against which the Treasury held of cash in its vaults $17,710,114.27. To set free the increasing balance, and thereby to relieve if possible the commercial and other interests of the country, which were then struggling to ward off the revulsion which finally came upon them, the Secretary of the Treasury, Howell Cobb, purchased before the middle of November, of stock not due, an amount of $4,878,377.33, paying thereon a premium of $688,977.78. The revulsion affecting the trade and business of the country more severely than was anticipated, the cur- rent revenues of the Treasury were suddenly decreased more than one half in amount, and, upon the opening of the first session of the Thirty-fifth Congress in December, the Secretary was compelled to ask for a loan of $20,000,000. Prompt response was made, and on the 2Sd of that month Congress authorized the issue of $2,000,000 Treasury notes, payable one year from the dates of their issue ; and before the adjournment of the session, on the 23d of June following, it authorized an additional issue of $20,000,000 of bonds, payable in fifteen years. At the close of the fiscal year (June 30, 1858), there was in the Treasury a cash balance of only $6,398,316.10, but none of the notes or bonds authorized had then been sold. During the next year the expenses of the Government were increased, but no steps with a view of increasing the revenue from taxation appear to have been taken. To meet current expenses during the year, the Treasury realized from issue of notes of December 23, 1857, $9,667,400, and from the bonds authorized by act of June 14, 1858, $18,620,000, increasing the debt to $58,754,699.33, but still leav- ing the Treasury at the close of the year, June 30, 1859, with a balance of only $4,339,275.54. 1 2 SPEECHES AND REPORTS OF JOHN SHERMAN. The Thirty-sixth Congress assembled December 6, 1859, and the Honse organ- ized after a struggle over the election of Speaker of about two months. The opposition finally succeeded, and Mr. Sherman was placed at the head of the Com- mittee on Ways and Means. Mr. Sherman said : Mr. CHAiEMAiir : The revenue act of March 3, 1857, which it is now proposed to repeal, has proved to be a crude, ill-advised, and ill- digested measure. It was never acted upon in detail in either branch of Congress, but was the result of a committee of conference in the last days of the session, and was finally passed by a combination of hostile interests and sentiments. It was adopted at a time of inflated prices, when the Treasury was overflowing with revenue. When that condition of affairs ceased, it failed to furnish ordinary revenue, and by its incidental effects operated injuriously to nearly every branch of industry. It went into operation on the 1st of July, 1857. At that time there was in the Treasury of the United States a balance of 817,710,- 114. The amount of the public debt then remaining unpaid — none of which was then due — :was a little over $29,000,000. So t hat there, was in the Treasu ry of the United States, when the tariff act of 1857 went into~opCTaio'nraBagg;;moT[^^ debt. WiliEinbng year ?rom tEaTlime the public deBt was increased t ol^$?f;giD,777. On the 1st of July, 1859, tiKe pub1ic'"debniag''in- creSiOOF8^754,699. i)n the 1st of May, 1860, as nearljjs I can ascertain, the public debt had jisen to $6 5,681,999. The balance in the Treasury on the 1st of July next, as estimated by me, will be $1,919,349. _ Thus it is shown that, under the operation of the tariff of 1857, the deficit in the revenue in three years is over $52,000,000. It may be stated thus : Balance in the Treasury July 1, 1867 llViVlO.ll* Balance in the Treasury July 1, 1860, estimated 1,919,849 Decrease llSjTgO.fefi Amount of public debt May 1, 1860 $65,681,199 Amount of public debt July 1, 1857 29,060,886 36,620,818 Increase $52,411,678 It is impossible to ascertain from the report of the Secretary of the Treasury the condition of our finances for the fiscal yeai- ending June 30, 1860. I have prepared a statement of receipts and expenditures, based upon the actual sums received and paid for three quarters of the year, and the Secretary's estimate for the last quarter. The total expenditures will be $67,702,818, and the receipts from all sources will be $58,950,445, thus shoM-ing a deficit for this fiscal year of $8,852,373. It thus appears that during the present fiscal year, a year of great commercial prosperity, the ordmary receipts have been insufficient to pay the expenses of the Government by over $8,000,000, and that too at a time when the expenses of the Government have ON THE MORRILL TARIFF BILL. 3 been largely reduced below wliat they were biit one year ago. It is very easy to see, if this system of finance is persisted in, that the debt of this G-overnment in a few years will approach the debt of some of the European governments. It is impossible that any government can be properly carried on under such a system. It is perfectly clear, therefore, that unless a different state of facts exists in the future, the present tariff bill will be wholly insufficient to pay the ordinary ex- penses of the Government. This deficit is not merely temporary, but it is permanent. During the present fiscal year the importations into this countrywill SmStnit t:o_ov er $412,000,0 00, or iSUlm^(M'mare'Wajir^^S^^^^aji. ever b elore. Xithougli ffiFini]^OTtatio'ns ha^^^^gfie^^g^^ffiusj^hey Save no tunder the'^^esent^Tmffpro3uced~"sufficient revenue" to pay" the ordmary expenses'lorT lienji weiBme'nt" "We must, therefore',- coisider one of threepfoposTKons'.'~*W'e '''inus|"either diminish the expenses, increase the public debt. orJn£rea,se the revenue. X take 'itthafrBo-en©- in our day desires to increase the national ^dlW The idea that a national debt is a national blessing is an absurd one, which should never have been tolerated ; and I believe that no respectable political party proposes that the Government should go on, as it has for three years past, on the public credit, I do not suppose that any other Administration than the present one would tolerate the practice for three years. Now, can we diminish the gxpenditures ? That is the first question to which I desire to direct the attention of the Committee. I have before me a table, which has been carefully prepared, showing that the estimates of the Secretary of the Treasury for the next fiscal year, for ordinary purposes, reached $46,278,893. Including the interest on the public debt, and the expenses of collecting the revenue, and other per- manent appropriations, amounting to $8,173,582, the total amount estimated for is $54,452,475. But, sir, to this are to be added a vast number of appropriations asked for by the several Departments, but which the Secretary of the Treasury totally ignores. He declares that he asks but for $54,452,475 ; yet other Departments of the Govern- ment estimate for other appropriations to the amount of $9,606,250. I wish to warn my political friends that, if they vote these appropria- tions, they will be placed precisely in the same position that they were in the Thirty-fourth Congress. They will be told that these appro- priations were the extravagance of a Republican House, and were made in the face of the report of the Secretary of the Treasury, although the appropriations were asked for by the appropriate De- partments of the Government. For the purpose of showing the char- acter of these estimates, I have prepared a statement of most of them, as f oUows : Estimates of the Secretary of the Treasury for the service of the year 1861. . SiSiZVSiSQS 66 Interest on the public debt $3,386,621 34 For expenses collecting revenue from imports 2,000,000 00 Other permanent appropriations 2,786,961 14 8,173,582 48 The following estimates not embraced in those of the Secretary of the 4: SPEECHES AND REPORTS OP JOHN SHERMAN. Treasury, and amountu embraced in bills now before both Houses of Con- gress : Estimates for public works in the course of construction $2,282,400 00 Completion Washington aqueduct 600,000 00 Public buildings and grounds 44,418 47 Estimate Third Auditor of the Treasury, payment of Oregon and Washington war debt 2,714,808 65 Enlargement of public grounds 168,260 00 Texas regiment. Senate amendment to Military Academy bill. . 779,392 03 Lighthouse bill, reported by Committee on Commerce 663,000 00 Eestoring mail service, in Post Office bill, 1860 600,000 00 Restoring mail service, in Post Office bill, 1861 1,539,221 00 Mail routes established in 1858 and Kansas 425,160 00 9,606,250 05 Total 864,058,726 09 Among them are estimates for continuing public buildings in tbe course of construction. Tbese are mostly for the Charleston and New Orleans custom houses, and for the Treasury extension. These appro- priations are asked for ; and gentlemen here, who will vote against this or any other tariff bill, yet urge the pressing necessity of these apjDro- priations. But the Secretary of the Treasury, who should take a view of the whole field of expenditures, totally ignores them in his estimates. The Washington aqueduct, the Oregon and Washington war debt, the enlargement of the public grounds, and the Texas mounted regiment, have Deen, or will all be, pressed upon us, and yet neither is included in the estimates. These expenditures will.be voted for by the friends of the Administration, who all know that there are no means provided for their payment, and who will thus create the necessity for new reve- nue, and then generally vote against increasing the revenue, and go before the people clamoring about new taxes and tariffs. Charged with the administration of the Government, yet they expect the Opposition to vote them supplies for all sorts of demands, to furnish them revenue against their votes, or they will pay the salaries of their officials by increasing the public debt. As an example, take the proposed regiment of volunteer for Texas, which measure is now pressed by the representatives of Texas. The proposition was voted for by every member of the other side, and per- haps by some members on this side of the House. If this be granted, then here is an addition to the expenditures of the Government of nearly $1,000,000 ; and we on this side of the House, who are desirous of raising the revenue sufficiently to meet the expenses of the Govern- ment, will be charged with having appropriatea this large sum, not estimated for, although nearly all of us will vote against it ; and those who do vote for it will, in the main, oppose all measures to raise reve- nue to meet it. tu^Hy-jadgHi^Trtf-tfee-best-medeto meet tins new sys- tem.,X)f .iinaiiciaLtaeties-is to refuseall appropriations for all new objects of expenditure until -some proper revenue is prox-ided. Mr. Chairman, there is also a lighthouse bill, which has been or will be reported, and which asks for an appropriation of $653,000. There is a proposition for the restoration of the mail service, which eveiybody seems to be in favor of, and which will require over $2,000,000. Let ON THE MORRILL TARIFF BILL. 6 me call your attention to tlie cost of that measure. Althougli our con- stituents in all parts of the country have called upon us to increase or restore the mail service, yet I believe that the Postmaster General did right in reducing it. It is the only reform instituted by this Adminis- tration. Gentlemen upon this as well as upon the other side should remember that their mandatory restriction will increase the expenses of the Post OflBce Department over $2,000,000. I desire now to say that the Committee on "Ways and Means, who have had charge of appropriation biUs, have endeavored faithfully and honestly, without regard to party divisions — and all parties in this House are represented in that committee — to cut down the appropria- tions to the lowest practicable point, and thus to reduce the expenses of the Government. I have before me a table, showing that, upon the estimates submitted to us by the Secretary of the Treasury for the ordinary expenses of the Government, we have been able to reduce the amount about $1,230,000. It is as follows : Statement of tltje variom bills reported by the Committee of Ways and Means, First Session Thirty-sixth Congress, for the service of the year 1861, showing tlie estimates of the Secre- tary of the Treasury, with the reductions made therein, with the amounts reported by said committee. Estimates, Secreta- ry 'of Treasury, year 1861. Amounts reported by Committee on ways and Means. Eeduction on Es- timates, Invalid pensions, &c Military Academy Indian Consular and diplomatic Fortifications Army Legislative, executive, and judicial. . . . Sundry civil Naval To supply deficiencies in revenues, Post Office Department, year 1861 $849,000 00 183,892 00 1,918,602 38 1,137,120 00 678,000 00 14,623,603 72 5,995,109 97 3,663,396 82 11^244,845 63 6,988,424 04 46,278,893 56 $849,000 00 180,392 00 1,907,002 38 1,082,120 00 605,000 00 13,984,126 12 5,870,316 53 3,491,414 32 11,182,283 63 5,897,221 75 $3,500 00 11,500 00 55,000 00 70,000 00 639,470 60 124,794 44 171,981 50 62,662 00 91,202 29 45,048,875 73 1,230,017 83 Estimates Secretary of the Treasury $46,278,893 56 Reductions made by Committee of Ways and Means 1,230,017 83 Amount in bills as reported by committee , $45,048,876 73 Add permanent appropriations, excluding interest on the public debt, amount- ing to 4,786,961 00 Add interest on public debt. $49,835,836 73 3,386,621 00 Total $63,222,457 73 If the House will take the bills as reported by the Committee of Ways and Means, instead of the estimates of the Secretary of the Trea- sury, they will save the Government about $1,500,000. But I cannot say that I expect they will do so, because I have no doubt that the very items which, upon the fairest examination, we have found to be too large or unnecessary for the public service, and have therefore reduced, 6 SPEECHES AND EEP0ET8 OF JOHN SHERMAN. will be put upon the bills, either by tliis House or in the Senate ; and, no doubt, the bills will be overloaded with Senate amendments of four or five millions more, as has been the case during every Congress since I have been a member of this House. If, however, the estimates of the Committee of "Ways and Means and their reductions are sanctioned, the ordinary appropriations for the Government will be reduced to $45,048,875, aside from the .public debt and the permanent appropria- tions. And, in my judgment, if we would devote our time to a fair investigation of the ordinary operations of the Government, we might reduce our aggregate expenses to $50,000,000 annually ; but as long aa sectional controversy is the chief employment of our time, as long as no debate is allowed here except that which involves the safety of sla- very,' we never can accomplish a radical reduction of the expenses of the Government. No permanent or substantial reductions can be made without an earnest cooperation between the executive and legislative branches of the Government. We can limit appropriations, but we cannot, except by the process of impeachment, prevent the misapplication of the pub- lic money. We may appropriate for officers and clerks, but if the President or a head of Department will detail them to edit a party newspaper, or pension them for party services by appointing them to offices whose duties they never perform, we cannot prevent it. If the head of each Department shall, without fear or favor, administer his Department, applying to services rendered there precisely the same rule, as to fitness, industry, and compensation, as would be applied by any prudent private citizen in his own affairs, all the abuses we now hear so much of would soon cease. There are several branches of expenditure which, in my judgment, Congress could by wise legislation reduce without injury to the public service ; and as I do not desire to debate the several appropriation bills, I propose to state here three or fojir branches of expenditure where material reductions might be made. The first is the expenditures in the naval service. I was unfortunately in the minority of the Com- mittee upon the appropriations in the Navy bill. I have no doubt that the amount recommended to be appropriated for the construction and repair of vessels could be decreased fuUy $,1,000,000 with benefit to the public service. In the bill, we have reported $3,500,000 for the construction, repair, and equipment of vessels, in ''accordance with the estimates sent in by the Secretary of the Navy. I am opposed to that appropriation ; and when the time comes for the consideration of that biU, I shall move an amendment to it in that respect. Last session Congress adopted some substantial reforms, but those reforms have not been regarded in the present Navy bill. There are other reforms which ought to be made, and which can only be effected by careful legislation. One of these is in the Post- Office service. The deficiency in that Departniont is now $6,000,000 annually ; and if you restore the postal service to what it has hereto- fore been, as is now asked, you wiU have a deficiency of $8,500,000, and that sum has to be paid out of the public Treasuiy. I have no doubt that the expenses of the Postal Department could be paid out of ON THE MOERILL TARIFF BILL. 7 its ordinary receipts. In tlie State of Ohio, according to the tabular statement sent to ns by the Department, the postal service costs more than the receipts ; and yet there are contractors in that State — men of the highest respectability and responsibility — ^who are ready to engage to perform all the postal service in Ohio for one half of the receipts. Why, sir, $3,243,974 is paid to railroad companies for transporting the mails, and yet these very mails are usually carried in the same cars in which express companies carry private property for one third of the expense. If this mail matter was now carried by express companies, route agents could be abolished. If the whole postal service was let out, as it should be, to private enterprise — ^to express companies — I have no doubt that the Post-Office business would be better managed, its duties better performed, and a large amount of money saved to the Government. As a general rule, I take it, we have in the post offices an inferior class of men — ^generally partisan editors, who have to be rewarded for their services, or men who have distinguished themselves by devotion to their party in their several localities. They are not such men as any private company of individuals would employ to perform the same duties. You also upon many routes require coaches to be run for the beneiit of passengers, while there is no connection between that business and the carrying of mail matter for distribution among the people of the United States ; $3,134,094 is paid for coach service alone. I have no doubt, if the tJnited States were divided into postal districts, bounded as far as practicable by State lines, and the business of carrying all mat- ter over all the postal routes established by law, and its delivery at the different post offices were let out under a judicious management of the Department, the expenditures would be decreased at least to the amount of the deficit. There is another matter in which there should be a reform. We are appropriating a million dollars every year to pay the ordinary judi- cial expenses of the Government other than the salaries of judicial officers ; all sorts of abuses have grown up in the disbursement of that fund. I need not speak specially of the matters connected with the offices of your district attorneys and your marshals ; for all gentlemen must be conversant with the abuses connected with those places. Men are selected, summoned, and kept as jurors and witnesses, because of their political opinions, and as a reward for political service, and all sorts of constructive fees and charges are made and allowed. But I am taking up more time with these details than I intended. If we could only manage these matters as intelligent business men man- age theirs,' there would be an end to all these abuses. This we cannot do, because parties look to the public money as the reward of party suc- cess. If the Republican party be charged with the administration of the Government next year, as I trust it will, it may oppose all reform ; it may follow the example of the Democratic party, in parceling out money and patronage among its partisans, without regard to the public service ; but if so, it will surely lose the confidence of its supporters. The Republican party could not stand for a moment, if it were con- 8 SPEECHES AND REPORTS OF JOHN SHERMAN. victed, as this Administration has been, of the corrupt practices and abuses disclosed by committees of this House. The difference between the Democratic and Kepublican parties is that the disclosure of corrupt abuses by Democratic officials does not seem to excite censure or induce removals, while the Kepublican party has shown a readiness to punish such of its agents as have violated their trust. Many of these abuses have grown out of the necessity imposed upon the sectional interest controlling the Democratic party, to preserve more stren^h in the Northern States ; and therefore offices are given, spoils divided, and newspapers pensioned and edited in Northern States. These coiTup- tions and abuses have gone so far as to bring discredit and reproach upon popular institutions. I have shown, Mr. Chairman, that we will have to raise sixty-five to seventy millions for the next fiscal year. "Where is it to come from ? What sources of revenue have we ? First, we have the public lands. I have here a table which presents some singular facts in regard to these lands. In the year 1859 the Government disposed of 13,540,262 acres of public lands, from which it received $1,628,18T, or about a shilling an acre. What became of these lands ? Why, 5,106,015 acres went to railroad companies, to form their capital stock ; and that, not by the action of one party, but of aU parties. I am glad that I never voted for such grants. By the natural operation of business, all these lands go into the hands of non-residents, of foreigners, who furnish railroad iron on the security of these lands. We granted as swamp lands 1,530,966 acres, and m bounty land warrants 2,941,700 acres. The receipts paid into the Land Office were but $1,628,187, while the expenses of the land offices, of clerks, registers, and receivers, land sur- veys, etc., amounted to $1,310,758 ; so that the net proceeds of the revenue from public lands was but $300,000. I trust, there fore, that the idea of looking to the public lands as a 8Qurce_pf revenuewiirbe at once abandoned. Let us,"1^"a'wise'system of preemption!" laws, or by a homestead bill, invite every man who de- sires to locate on Western lands, to go there and make for himself a home. That is the only honest, the only noble, the only manly system of disposing of the public lands. There is no reason in the world why Western settlers should pay the Government for the lands they occupy. They were of no value to the Government or anybody else while they lay there uncultivated. It is the labor of the hardy men of the West- ern States that gives to these lands all their value ; and yet they have paid millions on millions for the public lands. The history of each new State, for the first ten years of its existence, has been a struggle with poverty and debt. All the new States are laden down with debts contracted in paying for the public lands, either to the Government or speculators. It is idle to look to the public lands as a source of revenue. To show you how so distinguished a gentleman as the Secretary of the Treasury may make mistakes in these matters, 1 have here a table which presents this curious state of facts. Mr. Secretary Cobb estima- ted the receipts from public lands in 1858 at $6,000,000. They turned out to be $3,513,715 ; and the great bulk of that was paid for expenses. In 1859 he estimated the receipts from public lands at $5,000,000. They ON THE UOEEILL TARIFF BILL. 9 turned out to be $1,Y56,687. In 1860 he estimated them first at $5,000,000, and afterward at $2,500,000. They have realized and will realize less than $2,000,000. He estimates the receipts from the sales of public lands in 1861 at $4,000,000. In my judgment they wiU not reach $500,000, because I hope this Congress will pass a preemption and homestead law, and that will settle the question of the public lands. The miscellaneous items found in the estimates are merely receipts from consuls, fines, forfeitures, and matters of that kind, which amount to about $1,000,000. The only practical source of revenue for the jS"ational Government isdutiBson impoHa^mdT'Eis is aniple~and exclu- sive. JN o country InTt neworldTiaraflnerTourc of rev^ue than ±his.,., VVe irnport $400,000,500 wort£""of foreign pr'oiKcte annually. A. duty of ten per cent, on that would amount to $40,000,000. It was the boast of an English Chancellor of the Exchequer that an income tax of a shilling in the pound would produce £10,000,000. A duty of ten per cent, on our imports would, at the present rate of importation, pro- duce $40,000,000; and importations are constantly increasing. All our internal governments — State, municipal, town, and village — are supported by direct taxation; but the National Government, which protects us all alike, looks naturally to the duties on imports for revenue. If required, we might raise a revenue from this source of $100,000,000. If a tax of twenty-five per cent, were imposed on im- portations, it would produce that sum. I trust such a tax will not be imposed, because it is unnecessary. But I speak of it as an ample source of income. If the Government were reduced to narrow straits, if we were engaged in war, or if anything occurred requiring a great drain on our resources, we could raise that amount of money Irpm that source of revenue alone, without resorting to direct taxation. Gentlemen talk about free trade. Sir, no project for free trade has ever been submitted to us with a hope of passage. I believe that, if a project for free trade were to be carried through Congress, it would lose every member who voted for it his seat in the House. Why, sir, the people of this country would not allow the raising of $10,000,000 by direct taxation. If you were to put upon the State of Ohio a direct tax of $1,000,000, the people of that State might become almost as bad as the people of some of the Southern States now are — they would al- most be in favor of secession. The only questions for us to consider in this connection are, how much revenue is to be raised, and how shall we levy it ? I say that it is necessary for us to raise $66,000,000. Will the present tariff furnish that amount of revenue ? Every man answers " No." The Secretary of the Treasury estimates that the tariff of 185T wiU yield $60,000,000 for the next fiscal year. Why, sir, to produce a revenue of $60,000,000 a year, under the tariff of 185Y, it wiU require an importation of $448,641,000. If the prophecy of the Secretary of the Treasury should turn out to be true, it would bring about a commercial revulsion. To establish or continue a tariff which would induce an importation of $500,000,000, would be to destroy the manufactures of the country. It would limit our industrial and pro- ducing power to agriculture alone, when every one knows that diversity of pursuits is essential to the prosperity of a people. 10 SPEECHES AND REPORTS OF^ JOHN" SHERMAN. To import the amount of $448,000,000 amiually, with a population of thirty million inhabitants, would give an importation of about $15 per head, or $Y5 per family, throughout the United States. _ Now, the highest rates of import we have ever had prior to the tariff of 1857 were in 1836, when importations reached the amount of $10.93 per head; and in 1857, when they reached $11.82 per head; and it is a remarkable fact that the importations of these two years preceded the greatest commercial revulsions of our time. It took ten years of econ- omy and industry to recover from the troubles of 1836. And now, Mr. Chairman, if, by the financial policy of the Secretary of the Treas- ury, an importation of $15 per head is produced; what will be the effect of it ? All experience teaches that no people can afford to pay for foreign productions $15 per head, or $75per family ! Four hundred and fifty millions ! When gentlemen add to this amount freight, insurance, the loss by false invoices, by forgery and perjury^ — and I tell them that under our present ad valorem, system there is a great deal of both — when, in addition, you take into compu- tation the debt due in this countiy to Europe, by States, cities, coun- ties, and railroad companies, amounting to some $500,000,000, upon which they are paying an interest of about seven per cent., you wiU have an amount of specie, or its equivalent, going out of the country, of something like $550,000,000 — enough to bring the country to the verge of banlcruptcy. Therefore it is that I say that, if the prophecy of the Secretary of the Treasury should turn out to be tme, it would prove a national misfortune, second only to his practice of living upon the public credit. The commercial disaster and revulsion in England and Europe in 1857 a;[5pear to a very considerable extent to have been caused by the wars then being carried on. There were, however, many causes which I do not propose now to go into a discussion of. Our own commercial revulsion occurred first, when our people were in the midst of profound peace. Mr. Chairman, if I have succeeded in what I have desired, I have Bh o_wn that the t ariff of 1857 will_ not produce a suflScient reve nue to meet the wants of th eUovemment. will the tariff measure now pre- sented to us^— that reported frum-ihe Committee of "Ways and Means — prove sufficient for that pumose ? In my ]ur except by the sale of your bonds. Any ingeniously cont]-i\cd system to t-nrry it on by paper money in the form of currency will be futile. Then you can only carry on your operations, as an individual or a nation, by the sale of your bonds or the use of your credit. If you liaNo not got the money, you must borrow it ; and all other schemes are idle. You may, it is true, furnish a limited amount iii paper currency. When you go one NATIONAL BANK CUERENOY. 69 step beyond tliat limit fixed by the laws of finance dnd commerce, then you destroy the value of that which you use as currency. Your power to borrow goes on indefinitely. Your business, therefore, is to make a demand for your Government securities, and thus induce the invest- ment of the money of the people in the bonds of the United States. Why, sir, there is in this country an arniple supply of capital for all pui-poses. Our annual productions are shown by the census to be $1,900,000,000 a year. The aggregate wealth of this people is over $12,000,000,000. The actual capital that is now in the hands of the people, seeking and begging for investment, would carry on this war for years. There is no want of 'capital. It is a want of confidence, a want of system ; a fear that that which the people have will fall sud- denly on their hands utterly worthless. That is the real danger. This bill furnishes a market for your bonds and your securities — that credit by which alone you can carry on a Government in time of war. But, sir, that is not all. It wiU furnish a medium by which the State bank paper may be gradually absorbed — not by any harsh meas- ures. Some of the friends of local banks think this is a great scheme to break down local banks. Why, sir, as I shall show you before I am through, it is clearly the interest of every local bank of the United States to avail itself of the provisions of this law. It will no doubt operate gradually to absorb the local banks, to retire their issues by substituting in their place an issue that will be safe, uniform, and con- vertible in all parts of the country. I believe this system, if it has a fair trial, a fair experiment, will gradually absorb all the State banks, without deranging the currency of the country or destroying the value of the property of stockholders in banks. ISTot only that. ' This scheme will furnish a convenient agency for the collection of taxes. You have now in this country collectors and assessors scattered all over the country, in every district, and the people are compelled to pay taxes. What is the medium by which they are to be paid ? At present the only one is what are called greenbacks. United. States notes, and these notes are forced out of circulation by the superabundance of bank paper; so that a person who desires to pay taxes is compelled to go into the market to obtain first United States demand notes by the sale or conversion of his bank paper. This will furnish a convenient medium by which the taxes may be pq,id ; and as these banks will gradually extend themselves all over the coun- try, they win be made the convenient depositories of the public money. As it is now, every collector is bound' to take what paper money he- gets, and hold it in his hands subject to all risks. He dare not, under our laws, deposit it with banks. He runs all the risk of fire and acci- dent ; and all the money he may have on his hands he is responsible for. Pie has no safe where he can deposit it. The United States Gov- ernment does not furnish a safe, and it forbids him to deposit in banks. Under this system all the money of the United States may be safely deposited in banks, and the deposit will be secured by Government bonds, so that there can be no loss. But there is another reason in favor of this measure. It wiU make a community of interests between the stockholders of banks, the people, 70 SPEECHES AND EEPORTS OF JOHN" SHERMAN. and the Government. At present there is a great diversity of inter- ests. The local banks have one interest, and the Government has another. They are brought into conflict. But, sir, by the passage of this bill you will hannonize these interests ; so that every stockholder, every mechanic, every laborer who holds one of these notes will be in- terested in the Government — not in a local bank, but in the Govern- ment of the United States — whose credit he wiU be anxious to uphold. If this system had been spread all over this country, and these banks had been established as agencies upon the basis oi national credit, I believe they would have done very much indeed to maintain the Fed- eral Government and to prevent the great crime of secession. But, sir, there is a stiU higher motive for the passage of this bill. It will promote a sentiment of nationality. There can be no doubt of it. The policy of this country ought to be to make everything nation- al as far as possible ; to nationalize our country, so that we shall love our country. If we are dependent on the United States for a currency and a medium of exchange, we shall have a broader and a more gen- erous nationality. The want of such nationality, I believe, is one of the great evils of the times. This doctrine of State rights, which sub- stitutes a local community — foi", after all, the most powerful State is but a local community — instead of the United States of America, has been the evil of the times ; and it is that principle of State rights, that bad sentiment that has elevated State authority above the great national authority, that has been the main instrument by which our Government is sought to be overthrown. But, Mr. President, I say that this system will be a benefit to the banks themselves, as well as to the Government. The similarity of notes all over the United States will give them a wider circulation. A note issued by a bank in Maine will have upon it precisely the same engraving, the same form, the same character, as a note issued in Iowa. They will both rest on the same basis and the same security. This very fact wiU give them a broader circulation. Now, when a note is issued in Ohio, if it straggles as far as "Washington, it is discounted two per cent., although it is just as good as any other note, and is di-iven back by the very fact that it is at a discount. If that note bore the similitude of the United States of America, and the stamp and the guai"- antee which the United States gives it, it would go everywhere ; and a note-holder would not care whether it were issued in Ohio, Connecti- cut, or California. That very similitude would give it a broader circu- lation, and, consequently, a more profitable circulation to the bank ; it would not be returned so quickly. I have been told by gentlemen from New England that the average period of circulation in New Eng- land is about thirty days ; in New York, in tlio citi(.\*, it is much less ; in the "West it is said to be sixty days. But, sir, those notes all being the same, they may have an indefinite circulation, and tlie average may extend to years, instead of months or days. There is another important advantage which the banks would derive from this system. They would be guarded nuainst all fraiids and alter- ations. There would be but five or six kinds of notes in the United States, instead of the great diversity that there now is. This would be NATIONAL BANK OUEEENOY. 71 a great guard. I have here a table showing the mimber of counterfeit notes in this country, to which I will reier. It is a curious and in- structive eawose, by a friend of mine, who took the pains to examine into the subject : The notes of over twelve hundred banks have been coanterfeited or altered. There are in existence over three thousand kinds of altered notes, seventeen hundred varieties of spurious notes, four hundred and sixty varieties of imitations, and over seven hundred of other kinds ; this arising from the great variety of bank notes, there being, at a moderate estimate, over seven thousand various kinds of genuine bills — some executed by good artists, and many in an indifferent manner. The following statistics are from reliable data as to the years 1856 and 1862 : 1856. 1862. Number of banks 1,409 1,500 Number whose notes are not counterfeited 463 253 Number of kinds of " imitations " 1,462 1,861 Number of kinds of "alterations" .- 1,119 3,039 Number of kinds of " spurious " 224 1,685 I ask you, sir, how is it possible to have a currency — ^how is it pos- sible for any honest man to detect the genuine from, the counterfeit, when he has to select from seven thousand different kinds of bank bills, and the bills of those banks have been counterfeited ; when so large a portion of them are spurious and counterfeit ? It is impossible. Under this system, the banks will be saved from aU this difficulty. There will be but six or seven kinds of notes. They wiU become familiar to us, so that every man will be a counterfeit detector in himself, and will not be compelled to look through a long list to ascertain whether a bill is genuine or not. This very fact will give a credit and currency to bank circulation which it has not now. There is another advantage these banks would have. They ar^ made by this law depositories of the public money. All the money collected by the collectors and various other Government officers would be deposited in the bank convenient to the collector ; and these deposits are the most abundant and profitable source of revenue. They would be more stable than individual deposits. They would be paid out in the form of checks and drafts, and would be there in the banks per- fectly safe, secured to the Government by bonds ; and yet they would be a legitimate source of banking profit. Under the present system the laws forbid such a thing. The experience of the past has shown that local banks are not, and cannot be made, safe depositories ; and, there- fore, this would be an advantage which th^new banks would have over the old. There is still another advantage. These notes are to be receivable for taxes due to the United States. This would be again another prof- itable source of circulation. The notes of the State banks cannot be so received. They are dishonored and disgraced from the beginning by being refused by the ISTational Government. Under this system, Mr. President, there could be no object for brokers, who are the natural enemies to banks, to " run " upon a bank ; because the notes will be uniform in face and value, and exchange will be equalized all over the country. I think, therefore, it could be proved to the satisfaction of every man who is interested in these bank- 72 SPEECHES AND REPORTS OF JOHN SHERMAN. ing associations, that it is for their interest to convert their local systems into the national system, by filing with the Government the security required by the law, and thus aiding the Government at the same time that they aid themselves. It may be thought that I am hostile to State banks. I am not and never have been. I have always been friendly to them. But, sir, I think that everything ought to be subordinate now to wliat is necessary for the good of the country. All private interests, all local interests, all bankmg interests, the interests of individuals, everything, should be subordinate now to the interests of the Government ; and whenever I see anything whatever standing in the way of what I believe is de- manded by the good of the United States at large, I will seek, if pos- sible, without doing them any injury, to make them harmonious with the system adopted by the Government. I believe that by the adop- tion of this system you will harmonize the interests of the local banks with the interests of the Government of the United States. Now, sir, what benefits would the people derive from this system ? Those benefits m^y be inferred from what I have already stated. In this way the people would have a currency combining the national faith with the private stock and private credit of individuals. They would have a currency that would be safe, uniform, and convertible. They would have all that can be desired in any community : a currency limited in amount, restrained by law, governed by law, checked by the power of visitation, checked by the limitation of liabilities, safe, uni- form, and convertible in every part of the country. When I see that the people of the United States can derive these advantages, when I see that the Government of the United States can derive these advan- tages from this system of banks, I will not hesitate for a moment, even if I am compelled as a part of the system to induce the withdi-awal of local bank paper, the surrender of the power to issue or to coin money. Mr. President, I do not wish to pursue this argument much fur- ther ; but I could show, by reference to our own history, that I seek to accomplish only what all the statesmen of our country have sought to accomplish. Every party that has been organized in this country, from the foundation of the Government to this time, has, at some period of its history, sought to accomplish this object of a unifomi national currency. The Federalists, under the lead of Alexander Hamilton, brought order out of chaos after the Eevolutionary War by the adoption of the United States Eank. They gave us for twenty yeara a stable currency ; and without that currency the funding system, which secured the credit of the United States, could not have been adopted. It was only through the agency of the Bank of the United States, organized in some respects upon a foundation like this, upon the basis of Govern- ment secunties, that our fathers were enabled to pay off the Eevolu- tionary debt — to establish that wise system by which it was gradually diminished and finally paid off. When that bank expired we had a period of confusion and!^ disorder. We had the issues of local banks for four or five years, when the Ivepublicim pai-ty, the rivals of the old Federalists, then in power, passed a bank bill under the lead of Mr. NATIONAL BANK CUERENOY. Y3 Madison^ and Mr. Dallas. The arguments at those times in this very body, and in the House of Eepresentatives, in 1815 and 1816, show that the same difficulties by which we are now surrounded then ex- isted — a depreciated and disordered paper currency, which could only be remedied by the substitution of one national currency. That object was acconiplished by the Eepublican party of Mr. Madison, by the incorporation of the second Bank of the United States ; and for twenty years that went on in a career of almost uninterrupted prosperity. ISIo one lost by it. However, at the expiration of the charter of the second bank, there was no longer any debt of the United States ; there was no object, so far as the Government was concerned, in having any kind of paper money. All the motive for paper money had ceased, so far as the Government was concerned. The debt was paid off. It was the object then not to contract any further debt ; and, upon the basis of the facts then existing, I beheve the adoption of the Sub-Treasury scheme was a wise and judicious plan. I was too young to take part in the political disputes of that time. Probably at that time, with my natural predilections, if I had taken part, I should have been opposed to the Sub-Treasury scheme ; but looking on it now without any feel- ing, I believe its adoption was wise, and in times of peace it was ample ; gold and silver were abundant enough for a national currency, and formed the best national currency ; and were it not now necessary by the operations of war to substitute some other for it, I should not be in favor of overthrowing any portion of that system. The Democratic party, from 1837 to 1845, upheld the Sub-Treasury scheme. We now, surrounded by difficulties, surrounded by war, and in the midst of great troubles, are compelled to resort to some scheme by which to nationalize and arrange upon a secure and firm basis a national currency. ' Every commercial country in the world has adopted it, and it is a remarkable fact that every nation of modern times that has attempted to base its currency solely upon Government paper has utterly failed, and has eventually repudiated that currency ; but when its currency has been supported, aided, and combined with local banks, when the interests of private individuals have been combined with those of the Government, the issues succeeded. The Bank of England is a striking example. The Bank of England grew out of the loan by {)rivate individuals to the Government of Great Britain of something ike a million pounds. From that time it has been increasing, never failing, and yet the Bank of England is but a Government machine. AH the paper issued by that bank is based upon the bonds of the Gov- ernment. Not a dollar of notes is issued by that bank but what is represented either by gold or silver, or by Government securities ; usu- ally the Government securities are largely in excess of the circu- lation. It is not necessary to resort to the history of the Bank of England or the Bank of France to show that no Government can borrow large sums of money from the people except through the agency of some kind of fiscal corporation or of individuals. There must be some in- termediate link between the people who loan the money and the Gov- ernment who borrows it ; and that link, according to the experience of 7i SPEECHES AND REPORTS OF JOHN SHERMAN. nations, must be some corporation authorized to issue, upon the credit of the people, paper money. Every Bank of England note, every note of the Bank of France, is really a note of England or of France._ In all the troubles that have occurred since the foundation of those insti- tutions, they have been mainly instrumental in supporting and sustain- ing the credit of tlie country. Sometimes, I know, we are told that unless we issue this large amount of paper money we shall have to pay interest, and the national debt will accumulate. Why, Mr. President, a national debt, although it is not a blessing, is yet not so dangerous and troublesome a thing as many Senators think. The power of paying off a national debt by the means of a sinking fund exists at any time. The amount of tax levied by this bill wiU in forty years pay off every dollar of the national debt. That may seem to be a striking proposition, but yet it is absolutely true. A sinking fund of $1,000,000 a year, at five per cent, per annum, will amount to $100,000,000 in thirty-five years ; at six per cent, it will be $100,000,000 in thirty-two years ; and the yeiy tax levied by this bill upon these banks, if applied as a sinking fund and set apart for that purpose, would in thirty-five years at five per cent., or thirty-two years at six per cent., pay off $600,000,000 of the national debt. A sinking fund of $10,000,000 annually, commenced to-day, would in the lifetime of a single man pay off $2,000,000,000. Sir, I do not, there- fore, fear a national debt if we only have a wise system of finance by which it may be maintained ; because the operation of the sinking fund, as proved by actual experiment, is so striking that in the life- time of a single man an annuity of $10,000,000, as I have stated, would pay off the largest possible debt that it is anticipated can occur in our generation — that is, $2,000,000,000. I may here say that it was the intention of the Committee on Finance to report as part of this scheme a permanent sinking fund ; but on reflection, as it was a great sub- ject, we thought it better to defer it until the next session of Con- fress, when no doubt it will be presented for the consideration of both louses. The operation of a sinldng fund teaches us a lesson of economy. One hundred thousand dollars that you may now waste by cai-eless legislation, before it is paid off wUl, by the accumulation oi interest, amount to a very large sum, which will have to be paid off in gold and silver. An annuity of $10,000 — an amount easily spent uselessly and foolishly — would, if set aside, in thirty-five years pay off $1,000,000 of debt. This fact should teach us a lesson of economy. I Icnow Sena- tors sometimes complain of efforts made to restrict expenditures ; but when you remember that the money now paid out in an inflated cur- rency must ultimately be redeemed in gold and silver coin, with all the accumulated interest that may gather in a period of thirty or forty or fifty years, it furnishes us a lesson and a warning. Mr. President, I think T have now stated all I \losire to state in re- gard to the merits of this bill. I know that many ai"e disposed to take a gloomy view of our finnncial condition. I do not. Every nation has encountered the same difficulty which is now presented to us. In- deed, no nation in the world has the spirit that ours has evinced in NATIONAL BANK CUERENOY. 75 this war. Why, sir, if any man will go back and read the simple state- ments of history in regard to other wars in other countries, he wiU see that our financial condition is wonderful when compared with that of other nations in similar circumstances. I will ask your attention to one or two authorities on that point, to show you to what straits the wealthiest countries of modern times haye been reduced. The finan- cial condition of Great Britain in 1797 presents an instructive lesson, and I hope it will be a lesson of encouragement to us all. I read from Alison : The aspects of public affairs in Britain had never been so clouded since the commencement of the war, nor, indeed, during the whole of the eighteenth cen- tury, as they were at the opening of the year 1797. The return of Lord Malmes- bury from Paris had closed every hope of terminating a contest in which the national burdens were daily increasing, while the prospect of success was continu- ally diminishing. Party spirit raged with uncommon violence in every part of the empire. In- surrections prevailed in many districts of Ireland, discontents and suffering in all ; commercial embarrassments were rapidly increasing, and the continued pressure on the bank threatened a total dissolution of public credit. The consequence of this accumulation of disasters was a rapid fall of the pub- lic securities ; the three per cents were sold as low as fifty-one, having fallen to that from ninety-eight, at which they stood at the commencement of the contest. Petitions for a change of ministers and an alteration of Government were presented from almost every city of note in the empire, and that general distrust and depres- sion prevailed which is at once the cause and effect of public misfortune. There, sir, at the beginning of a great war, waged by the people of Great Britain against her rival, France, the Government securities sank to fifty-one per cent. Again, at the same time, you will re- member that there was a mutiny m the fieet, which created great con- fusion, and led to a stiU. further decline in the public securities. Ali- son says : At the intelligence of this alarming insurrection, the utmost consternation seized all classes in the nation. Everything seemed to be failing at once''; their armies had been defeated, the bank had suspended payment, and now the fleet, the pride and glory of England, seemed on the point of deserting the national colors. The citizens of London dreaded a stoppage of the colliers and all the usual supplies of the metropolis ; the public creditors apprehended the speedy dissolution of Gov- ernment, and the cessation of their wonted payments from the treasury. Despair seized upon the firmest hearts; and such was the general panic that the three per cents were sold as low as forty-five, after having been nearly one hundred before the commencement of the war. Never, during the whole contest, was the consternation so great, and never was England placed so near the verge of destruction. This is a far gloomier view than even the most despondent has ever taken of our financial condition. Our securities, running but a short time, have always been at from eighty to one hundred and ten per cent., never below eighty. The securities of Great Britain, which had been accumulating for years, in the face of and in the beginning of a great war, fell at once to forty-five per cent. Not only that, but dur- mg the whole continuance of that war, for over twenty years, the pub- lic securities ranged all the time below what they are at this moment in this country. I have before me Cohen's " Compendium of Finance," which gives a summary of the British debt from the beginning of the 76 SPEECHES AND EEPOETS OF JOHN SHERMAN. war till 1816 ; but I will only refer to the loans made by Great Britain from 1803 to 1815. She sold her bonds, some three per cents, some long annuities, some four per cents, some five per cents, at various rates. The aggregate of bonds sold between those periods was £420,905,400, or over $2,000,000,000. The proceeds of those bonds were only £266,- 800,000 ; so that, taking the whole of the war, the debt of England did not bring on an average sixty-five per cent.; and yet people in this country become discouraged because the Government cannot borrow at par. Never, in the midst of those great difficulties, did the people of that country falter in the purpose they had in view. They waged that war against their powerful rival for twenty years, selling tneir pub- lic debt below par, and carried it on with manly spirit ; and what has been the consequence ? They maintained their Government ; they suc- ceeded in the end ; and now their national debt is not felt by them as a serious burden. Suppose they had succumbed to the financial diffi- culties that gathered around them in 1Y9Y ; suppose the opposition in Parliament had then fulminated the decrees that are now fulminated here ; suppose that disorder had spread over the country and broken out in open war and mutiny, that ancient power might have been over- thrown. Her condition then was far worse then ours has ever been. I believe that there is that spirit in the American people that will carry us through these difficulties. It is wise for us to look to the lessons of his- tory and see that other nations involved in a less holy cause have strug- gled unfalteringly through difficulties greater one hundred fold than ours. In 1805, just before the battle of Austerlitz, the securities of France could not be sold at any price ; the Emperor could not get money to pay for his breakfast ; everything was deranged ; the Government securities were so depreciated that they were of no fixed value ; the assignats had disappeared or been converted into what they called mcmdats, and they had depreciated and disappeared ; the Government credit was gone, and the ordinary expenses of the household of the Em- peror could not be cai-ried on except by indirection. Did the French succumb ? Did that brave and warlike people give way to the difficul- ties which surrounded them, and make what was considered by their ru- lers a dishonorable peace ? No, sir. They appealed to the conscription law, and gathered the young men of France around the standai-d of tlie empire ; they carried on their Government as best they could, living from hand to mouth ; and it was not long before the smi of Austerlitz spread its beams all over France, and victory perched upon her ban- ners. Sir, I ask you whether that example does not f^irnish us some en- couragement and hope ? Every nation, like an individual, muf^t have its trials and troubles. Ours has not suffeTed yet as it will. I believe yet that this is to be a war longer than many of my friends tliink. I am willing to look the difficulties in the face and 6ght it out. I want at the commcnceiiiont to secure a stable financial system by which we can appeal to the peo])lo for money upon which they can rely, so that the fanricrri aiul the laboring men, the common people of this country, can lend to tliu Government their money through these financial organs, NATIONAL BANK CUEEENOY. 7Y and tliTis maintain and uphold the Government. Sir, we must subor- dinate all these interests. How could England have carried on her great war except by the agency of the Bank of England ? She did not resort to Government paper money ; but she borrowed money upon the sale of her bonds, and used the Bank of England — ^which was but one of her instruments, guided wisely by the wisdom of Pitt — as a financial agent, just as these banks may be used under this system. France, at the commencement of her revolutionary war, when the revolutionary fervor was upon her, issued in unlimited quantities the notes of the people, her assignats, against the warnings of the wise men of France. The debates show that such men as Necker, all those men who knew something about finance, warned the people of France against the fatal effect of an over-issue of assignats ; but the eloquence of Mirabeau carried it ; the demagogues carried it — the men who ap- pealed rather to the temporary interests of the moment than to the permanent interests of the nation at large. The consequence was that in a short time all values in France were deranged ; everything was destroyed ; and it was only the genius of E^apoleon, after innumerable victories, that could reconstruct upon the broken foundations of finan- cial credit the superstructure which finally carried France through that war, and which is now the basis of the French financial system. Sir, I am not discouraged by our difficulties. We are surroimded by them. Every individual, in the course of his lifetime, is surrounded by them. If he, with unmanly fear, gives way, he is submerged ; but if he meets the difficulties boldly, and faces them honestly, he will come out in the end. So with this country. We have the wealth, we have the resources, we have the physical power. All we want is wisdom to guide our counsels, and courage and energy to lead our soldiers. Under the system now proposed with the sanction of the Secretary of the Treasury, the Government of the United States pays but four per cent, on the amount of bonds filed in the Department, and these banks provide a market for a greater quantity of bonds. The banks under this system will be the means and the medium by which the Government can reach the money in the hands of the people. Those who take the responsibility of defeating a measure of this kind, unless they can substitute something better in its place than the unlimited issue of paper money, will take a responsibility that I would not for my life assume. I had doubts about this system ; I examined them carefully ; I weighed them all ; and on my responsibility I feel bound to say that, all things considered, it is the best that can be adopted under the circumstances to avoid that which will be inevita- ble destruction. If this bill is defeated, and we go on upon the system proposed by the House of Eepresentatives, to issue an indefinite quantity of paper money, without restraint or limitation, the price of everything wiU rise ; the produce that we use will rise, and the expenses of the Govern- ment will be largely increased. ISTothing now restrains the speculative spirit except the Senate. Unless we can devise some permanent basis for a national currency, some wise financial scheme, our people will be 78 SPEECHES AND REPORTS OF JOHN SHERMAN. embarked in reckless speculation, and a wild and eager chase after foolish things. But, sir, when your United States notes depreciate, they carry down with them United States bonds. Some Senators think we ought to go on issuing these notes until the mere operation of the law of .supply and demand will compel the people to convert them into bonds. Why, sir, it is the history of such operations that as the United States notes go down so the bonds go down. Stocks that I know to be worthless — inflated stocks of broken railroad corporations — are now selling in New York for more money than the six per cent, bonds of the United States, with interest payable in gold and silver coin. It is one of the tendencies of the times, and the more you inflate your currency, and derange and disorder matters by the issue of Government paper money, or bank paper money based upon it, the more you derange values, and give an impetus to the speculation now going on. But if, by a wise system, you induce the local banks gradually to assume as the basis of their circulation the United States notes, and limit the amount of those notes (for that is indispensable), you will furnish a market for your bonds, by which alone you can hope to carry on the operations of this war. I may be like other men who have thought a great deal on a par- ticular subject. I may give to this question an undue importance ; but with me it is all-important. The establishment of a national currency, and of this system as the best that has yet been devised, appears to me all-important. It is more important than the winning of a battle. In comparison with this, the fate of three million negroes held as slaves in the Southern States is utterly insignifica,nt. I would see them slaves for life, as their fathers were before them, if only we could maintain our nationality. I would see them free, disenthralled, enfranchised, on their way to the country from which they came, or settled in our own land in a climate to which they are adapted, or transported anywhere else, rather than to see our nationality over- thrown. I regard all those questions as entirely subordinate to this. Sir, we cannot maintain our nationality unless we establish a sound and stable financial system ; and as the basis of it we must have a uniform national currency. So it seems to me. I may be wrong ; but so strong is my conviction on this subjecj; that I believe the passage of this bUf, by which our financial system may be harmonized, and by which we shall have what has always been desired by the statesmen of America, a sound national currency, is more important than any measure that we can pass. I may say to my political friends that it receives the sanction of every member of the Administration, and pai'ticularly the earnest sanc- tion of the gentleman who is placed in charge of the Treasury Depart- ment. I will say to my political advorsiU'ies thiit it has no connection witli party politics. It has been framed, I believe, without reference to any political dispute, simply to accomi)lisli that which we all desire — to place our national credit on the surest and safest foundation. I ask them, before they record their votes against it, at least to furnish us a better. It is easy to find objections to this, although it has been NATIONAL BANK OUREENOT. 79 carefully prepared, but tell us a better. Shall we go on issuing paper- money, disordering and deranging the value of 'everything? Shall we sell our bonds in the market for what they wiU bring ? That we can do. Great Britain did it ; but she established a sound national currency through the agency of the Bank of England before she did it ; she re- moved the restrictions from the Bank of England before she com- menced that system of selling her public securities. Then she did it. Unless you can tell me a better system, I appeal to friends and oppo- nents to vote for this bill ; because, whatever differences there may be as to the mode of administering the Government, whatever differences there may be as to political questions growing out of the war on the much disputed matter of the condition of the African race in this country, there can be no doubt that we all alike are interested in pre- serving our national honor, our national predit, our national existence. If these are lost, what a sea of troubles is before us ! If our credit is gone, if our nationality is destroyed, who among us now can see the end of the difficulties that loom up in the future ? "Who can see the difficulties that will arise if a boundary line is attempted to be drawn across this continent between two hostile sections ? Who can see the difficulties before us if, by the progress of time, our paper currency becomes what my friend from Kentucky yesterday said it was — " worth- less trash " ? Then, sir, the Government will be subverted. 'No people can carry on a long war except with money, and you cannot get money unless you have public faith, unless you have the means of borrowing, and unless the jneans of paying at least the interest shall by a wise and uniform system be provided. I believe that if the financial bill reported from the Finance Com- mittee, and this bill, a necessary supplement, together with a just system establishing a sinking fund, be passed, we can carry on this war even with the enormous burdens that are thrown on our people. Then let us, in addition to this system, practice economy. 1 know that some- times Senators have thought I have been very captious on that subject. Perhaps I have been ; but I have felt that there was a necessity for it. If I know my own heart, I have not been actuated by any unworthy spirit, but simply by a desire to save and husband the resources of the people of this country, to enable .them to meet the great national diffi- culties that exist. If we can only get through this strait, if we can see our way out of this war upon the basis of a preservation of the Union, there is nothing that can be said too highly of the future of this country. "With boundless resources, with an enterprising population, placed m the center of a great continent, in a temperate climate, history does not afford, and cannot furnish, a parallel of our capacity. Our example of success will not only establish our republican form of government, but it will spread the spirit of our republican institutions over lands that are yet living under kings and nobles and despots. Sir, I do therefore press upon the attention of the Senate this important bill. 80 SPEECHES AND REPORTS OF JOHN SHERMAN. ON THE GENEEAL FINANCIAL POLICY OF THE GOVERNMENT. m THE SENATE OF THE UNITED STATES, FEBRUARY Tt, 1865. Mr. Peesident : I desire to make some general observations to the Senate in regard to the financial condition of the country, and especial- ly as to the details and merits of this bill. I may as well avail myself of the present occasion to do so. The late period of the session at which the House of Kepresenta- tives sent us this bill precludes full discussion upon any of the impor- tant questions presented in it. The House is jealous of its exclusive prerogative of originating revenue bills, but it ought at least to give us an opportunity to exercise our undoubted power to amend them. This important measure, affectiag every industrial interest of the country, declaring in its title that it is to provide revenue to support the Government and pay interest on the public debt, containing iifty pages of printed matter, every line of which demands an examination of the previous law, was sent to us within two weeks of the close of the session. The Committee on Finance have worked diligently to prepare it for the consideration of the Senate, and now, during the closing week, with all the hurry incident to the closing days of the session, with the appropriation bills still pending between the two Houses, we must urge the Senate to pass judgment upon the nimierous provisions of this bill rather than to discuss them. After the first careful reading of the bill, considering the many important changes proposed in it, I was inclined to recommend that the Senate postpone it until the next session rather than by hasty legis- lation to run the risk of new eiTors ; but the necessity of the Govern- ment for new sources of revenue, the loss of revenue caused by defects in the present law, the construction put upon parts of it by revenue ofiicers, and the palpable failure to enforce the present law, especially as to incomes, induced your Committee to report it back with several important amendments, and especially to provide for such an examina- tion of the whole subject of intei"nal taxation as would enable u# to legislate in the future with fuller information. It may expedite our action to submit at the outset a few general remarks as to the necessity which compels us to impose upon our constituents the system of inter- nal taxation provided for by this bill and the act of the last session. Under the practice of Congress of dividing financial measures into numerous bills, all of which are considered separately, without any con- nection with each other, there seems no appropriate time to consider the " budget," or the general financial estimates and plans of the Gov- ernment. Yet it is obvious that since it is the cliicf duty of Congress to provide ways and means to cnrry on the Govornment, some general principles ought to bo adopted and iippliod to all our financial measures. When at peace the United States had an anijile source of revenue in a moderate rate of duty on imported goods. This tax was so light as THE GENERAL FINANCIAL POLICY OF THE GOVERNMENT. 81 never to be felt by our people, and its incidental effect in protecting our domestic industry made this tax a blessing rather than a burden. But the rebellion changed all this. We had either to submit to have our existence as a nation destroyed by a haughty, but base, ignorant, and defeated oligarchy, or we had to assume with war its unavoidable incidents, taxation and debt. The people of the United States having definitely determined to prosecute war, it only remained for Congress to provide the ways and means to carry it on. It is manifest now, as I then urged, that it would have been better at the first session in 1861 to have reduced to the low- est possible standard all expenditures, and to have provided a system of internal taxation. It is easy now to see the errors of the past. None of us appreciated the magnitude of the contest — the enormous armies demanded and the vast sums required for the contest. I still think that with the closest economy and heavy taxes from the beginning, we might have borrowed money enough on a specie basis to have avoided a suspension of specie payments; but when the war came we were without a currency and without a system of taxation. Gold disap- peared and was hoarded by banks and individuals. It flowed in a steady stream from our country. By the Sub-Treasury act we could not use the irredeemable biUs of State banks ; and, with the terrible lessons of 1815 and 1837 staring us in the face, no one was bold enough to advise us to adopt as a standard of value the issues of fifteen hun- dred banks, founded upon as many banking systems as there were States. Under these circumstances we had but one resource. We had to borrow vast sums, and as a means to do it we had to make a curren- cy. This was done by the issue of United States notes. Subsequent- Ij, to unite the interests, of private capital with the security of the Government as a basis of banking, we established a system of national banks, and upon this currency, as a medium for collecting taxes and borrowing money, have waged a war unexampled in the grandeur of its operations, and, as I trust, soon to be crowned with unconditional success. Such a war has not been conducted without vast expenditures. Our actual expenditure during the fiscal year ending June 30, 1864, was $865,234,087. The estimated expenditure for the current fiscal year is $895,729,135, upon the basis of the present laws. Much more than one half of this sum has been already expended. To this amount you must add every dollar you provide for by new laws, and this grim fact must not be overlooked for a single moment when you are making new appropriations. Every dollar of this must be paid in the form of taxes ; and that is not the worst of it — ^it must be paid now. We must get the money either by making it, by borrowing it, or by collecting it from our people. If we ■.could postpone the borrowing until after the war is over, it would be easy ; but we must have it now, and we must devise the means of getting it before we can sympathize with the poor clerk, the brave soldier, or the needy contractor. Until then your sympathy is mockery. Your very measures of relief may add more to the distress of all whose livelihood depends upon a fixed salary. 6 83 SPEECHES AND REPORTS OF JOHN SHERMAN. I repeat that there are but three modes of raising this money : one is by printing notes, calling them money, and compelling the people to take it ; another is by issuing bonds or promises to pay in the future ; and another is to collect the money by taxation. That all these modes may be resorted to is proven by the history of all modem nations when involved in war. As the first is the easiest, it is apt to be resorted to first ; but it is a doubtful expedient at any time, always dangerous, and soon exhausted. If pressed too far, it destroys loans and taxes, and national banknrptcy is the inevitable result. A limited amount of this money was indispensable to us as a medium of exchange. It is like some medicines, necessary in certain cases and in moderate quantities, but when taken in excess sure death. Paper money issued by a government is called a loan, but it has none of the elements of a loan except the promise to pay. There can be no loan without a lender, and his act must be volimtary. In the middle ages governments resorted to " forced loans," a contradiction of terms. A forced loan was merely an unjust and unequal tax. I choose to regard United States legal-tender notes not as a loan merely, but as money, lawful money, which the citizen is compelled to receive, and which now fixes the standard of value. Whether the power to issue it is derived from the power to coin money or to borrow money, or whether it is inherent in any government clothed with the attributes of sovereignty, are questions we need not now discuss. "We have exer- cised the power. It is now the currency of the country, the measure of value ; and we can only regulate its form and amount, and provide for its redemption. While we can make and have made our paper money the measure of value, we can not fix the price or value of any commodity, whether gold, silver, or food. The attempt has been made by many govern- ments in different ages, and has uniformly failed. The standard of value may be fixed by the government, but a higher law fixes the rela- tive value of all commodities as measured by this standard. We may by our tariff or tax law affect the relative value of commodities, but we can not by direct legislation fix the value of any commodity either in fold or paper money. When the attempt has been made, the result as usually been to advance rather than to decrease values. All our efforts to fix the value of gold as measured by our cun-ency have failed. We may make penal the purchase and sale of gold ; we may deny the use of our courts to enforce contracts for such purchases or sales ; we may prohibit the exportation of gold ; we may deter sales of gold by heavy taxation ; yet, after all, the price of gold rises or falls as our national credit rises or falls. So far as our legislation produces reve- nue or strengthens our army, it produces a fal^of gold as measured by our standard. So far as it merely discourages trade in gold or any othei- commodity, it increases its market value. We may as well recog- nize ii8 an axiom of political economy, proven by the experience of all nations, by everv form of government — despotic, monai-chic, or repub- lican — that the nxing of the values of commodities is beyond the power of leifiBlation. We may fi\ the etaiului-d of value, we may fix the tax upon the commodity, and there our power ends. And especially is this THE GENERAL FINANCIAL POLICY OF THE GOVERNMENT. 83 SO of gold, wMch has vahie in all civilized nations of the world, and, except with nations for a time involved in war, is everywhere the stan- dard of value. It is therefore manifest that the first duty of Congress is to keep our lawful money, as a Standard of value, as near as possible to the standard of gold ; and this can only be done by limiting the amount and by makmg it valuable to pay taxes or loans. It can only be re- deemed by the Government by taxes or duties, and every tax or duty, however oppressive to the individual, which withdraws for a time our paper money, brings it nearer the standard of gold. The power to make money by issuing legal-tender bills is now exhausted. More than enough is now outstanding to supply a currency. The issue of $100,000,000 more would not only increase our debt to that amount, but would add even a greater sum to our expenditures by the increased price of commodities consumed by the war ; while the imposition of an equal amount of taxes gives value to our currency, and thus reduces the price of commodities we are compelled to buy. An increase of paper money benefits the tax-payer now at the expense, of the soldier. It re- duces the purchasing value of the pay of the soldier, while by debasing the currency it is easier for the tax-payer to pay a specific sum. In the end, however, the tax-payer loses by the increased cost of food and clothing and transportation, which must finally be paid for in gold. I assume, then, that while the necessity for raising these vast sums is still imperative, yet one mode of doing it, and that the easiest, is ex- hausted. Loans and taxes are our only resource. A loan must be voluntary. It may, to some extent, be induced by patriotism. In this contest thousands of patriotic people — women, children, poor and rich alike — ^have loaned their savings to the Government from the purest of motives. The admirable system of distributing this loan by going out from the money centers to the remote hamlets and villages, gather- ing from the small savings of the people rather than from the garnered treasures of the rich, has proved a wonderful success. Yet, after all, to borrow money you must appeal to the self-interest of the lender. A great nation borrowing money will be tried by the interested tests ap- phed by the pawnbroker to his shivering victim. The more it wants to borrow, the more it must pay. The terms upon which we now bor- row prove that we have pressed this resource as far as is expedient. Tested by the present standard of gold, we now pay seven and three tenths per cent, for three years, and twelve per cent, afterward until the debt is paid in gold. We promise to pay $1,000 in gold at ttfe end of eight years, with interest for five of these years at six per cent, in gold, and for three years at seven and three tenths in currency ; and we receive for this promise, which must be fulfilled to the uttermost, $1,000 in currency, which will buy our soldiers no more food than $500 in gold. But this is not all. We stipulate that this property lent us shall be exempt from all the burdens which this war casts upon all other property, of State, county, and municipal taxes. This simple statement shows that this process of borrowing is exhausted ; that we dare not extend it except for the highest object of national existence. When I see the money thus borrowed expended on trivial objects, I 84 SPEECHES AND REPORTS OF JOHN SHERMAN. can not but look forward to the slow and hard process by which it must all be repaid in gold, with interest accumulated and accumulating, through tne agency of collectors, by the inquisitorial process of this bill, and from the labor of the poor. And if, Senators, you have thought me hard and close as to salaries and* expenditures, I trust you will do me the justice to believe that it is not from any doubt of the ability of our country to pay, or from a base and selfish desire for cheap reputation, or from a disinclination to pay my share, but because I see in the dim future of our country the same uneasy struggle between cap- ital and labor — ^between the rich and the poor, between fimd-holders and property-holders — ^that has marked the history of Great Britain for the last fifty years. I do not wish our public debt increased one dollar beyond the necessities of the present war ; and the only way to prevent this increase is to restrict our expenditures to the lowest amount couBis- tent with the public service, and to increase our taxes to the highest aggregate our industry will bear. These general principles induce me to support many of the taxes proposed in this bill. I regard the proposed tax on sales as indefensi- ble in principle ; yet, as a temporary expedient to raise revenue, I wiU vote for it. The increase of the postage on letters is only to make the Post-Office Department self-supporting, and to preserve the proportions between the old rate and the price of labor and commodities. The changes in the income tax are necessary to prevent a repetition of the shameless and wholesale evasions of the special income tax. This is the only tax imposed on accumulated property, the only tax on money invested in State and Government securities. It is the one that should have been paid most cheerfully, but its assessment and collection was a disreputable farce. A still more important feature of this bill is the section to compel the withdrawal of the State-bank notes. As the volume of cuiTency affects the price of all commodities, I have no doubt the amount of such paper money now outstanding adds to the cost of our purchases $50,000,000. The refusal of Congress at the last session to pass i-e- strictive measures to compel its redemption has seriously affected the value of our currency. The national banks were intended to supersede the State banks. Both can not exist together ; yet, while the national system is extending, the issues of State banks have not materially de- creased. Indeed, many local banks have been converted into national banks, and yet carefully keep out their State circulation. They exact intertst from the people on it, and yet avail themselves of the benefits of the new sjj'stem. They transfer their capital to national banks, issue new circulation upon it, and yet studiously keep out the old. They issue two circulations upon the same capital. It is far better at once to abandon the national banking system than to leave it as a cloak for outstanding State issues. If the State banks have power enough in Congress to prolong their existence beyond the present year, we had better suspend the organiza- tion of national banks. As the first friend of this measure in the Sen- ate, I would vote to-day for its repeal rather than allow it to be the agency undoi' which State banks can inflate our currency. And the THE ge:nlral financial policy of the government. 85 power of taxation can not be more wisely exercised than in harmonizing and nationalizing and placing on the secure basis of national credit all the money of the country. Mapy of the taxes proposed by this bill are not in accordance with established rules of political economy founded upon the experience of European countries. "We are new beginners in the science of taxation. The object now is less to equalize taxation than to increase revenue. All other questions must await the necessity put upon us by war to levy in the most expeditious mode the largest 'possible taxes, and to do this we must extend it to nearly all articles of production and con- suniption. It may be truly said of some of these taxes that they are unequal. We can only reply that we need the money now, and must look chiefly to the result of the tax in revenue, leaving to the future to make such changes as experience proves to be just and proper. Taxes levied now must be paid by those at home who do not fight, while if postponed they win fall in a measure upon those who have fought. Taxes col- lected now can be paid in a depreciated currency, while if postponed they must be paid in gold. Taxes paid now not only tend to reduce the present price of commodities, but by reducing the sum to be bor- rowed enable us to borrow on better terms, while taxes withheld now largely increase the sum to be levied hereafter. What we pay now we pay without interest ; what we postpone for the future we pay three- fold in accumulating interest. The war has given vast activity to all classes of industry, and has yielded enormous profit to those who are in busiaess. It is proper that now they pay to the Government their full tax on these profits before they are consumed by expenditure. A tax system fully enforced now will enable us to relieve our people from many taxes when the reaction of peace shall lessen the profits of in- dustry. We can not increase our taxes after war.; we must be prepared to reduce them. Taxes are more cheerfully paid now in view of the mountain of calamity that would overwhelm us if the rebellion should succeed ; but when we reach the haven of peace, when the danger is past, you must expect discontent and complaint. The grim specter of repudiation can never disturb us if we do our duty of tax-paying as well as our soldiers do theirs of fighting. I therefore conclude that every dictate of policy, every sentiment of patriotism, demand of us the largest taxation now, to be fearlessly assessed and impartially collected. But it is impossible to consider the subject of internal taxation with- out some reference to our tariff laws. Though this bill does not change the present duties on imported goods, yet the same general principles must be applied to tariffs as to excises. The object now of our tariff laws should be to raise revenue. In times of peace we may discrimi- nate in favor of our industry, we may abandon taxes to increase our commerce. ISTow our industry is sumciently protected by requiring customs duties to be paid in gold, and we are in no condition to pro- tect our commerce from foreign competition, because our vessels are the prey of English pirates. Our immediate want is revenue, and es- pecially revenue payable in gold. We are committed to the payment of near sixty millions in gold annually, and must rely upon customs 86 SPEECHES AND EEPOKTS OF JOHN SHERMAN. duties to pay this sum. "We can not forego this revenue without de- stroying the national credit, the value of our bonds, the basis of our currency. We can not affect these without seriously impairing our man- ufactures and our commerce. I repeat that we must now frame our tariff laws solely with a view to revenue. All incidental protection or benefit to any industry must now give way during this war to the im- mediate and pressing need of revenue. A different principle prevails in Great Britain, and in her present position of peace, with all her great wealth employed in commerce and manufactiire, it is founded upon the highest wisdom. The principle adopted by her is thus stated by Sir Morton Peto : If a customs duty, however moderate, imposed for a financial object, prevents iJade with a country which would otherwise receive your goods in exchange for its products, it is surely better to remove the duty which imposes the obstacle to com- mercial intercourse than, for the sake of a small revenue, to preclude the possibility of commercial exchange. . . . But the first object of legislation in regard to customs duties should be, not to tax all articles which do not come within the class of raw materials or food, but on the contrary to tax those articles alone which can be taxed without injuriously af- fecting our trade with other countries, and to tax such articles only to such an ex- tent as will not injuriously affect their consumption by our own people. Upon this principle, and another equally simple, not to impose duties on the raw materials of industry and the first articles of food, was based the policy of Sir Kobert Peel, which reduced the number of articles charged with duties from 1,163 in 1841 to 44 in 1862 ; and, sir, if we were at peace, with our currency restored to its normal con- dition, I should be veiy willing to discriminate in favor of our own commerce and manufactures. Although representing an interior State chiefly engaged in agriculture, yet I have always felt that the prosperity of one industry and section finally inured to the benefit of the whole nation and of every part. I therefore have supported the present tai-iff law, framed with a distinct view to discriminate in favor of our home industry, and I would now only so far modify the present duties as to increase the revenue. If by lowering the duty we can increase the revenue, it should be done. If by increasing the duties on any article we can increase the revenue without diminishing in a greater degree the consumption of that article, it ought to be done. During wai', when our industry is fully employed in repairing the waste of war, in- creased importation may become a vast injury by exhausting us of gold and food, which must then be sent to pay for luxuries. Then we send abroad that which we most need, and receive that which we can do without. The true principle for a nation in our condition, struggling for its existence, is so to frame its tai-iff laws as to produce the greatest revenue from the least importation. When the war ceases, our armies will be disbanded and our soldiers will return to the ordinary pm-suits of industry ; then tlie English rule should be applied of levying the requisite duties on the fewest articles, and with a view to increase our commerce and protect our industry. With this general statement, I approach the consideration of this bill. I am not entirely satisfied with it, but I am sure it will improve the present law and add some new sources of revenue. When the THE GENERAL FINANCIAL POLICY OF THE GOVERNMENT. SY macMnery of collecting is perfected, which can only be done by experi- ence, the whole of these taxes wiU be revised. They will be arranged into classes and schedules, and simplified. Its success will depend mainly upon the Commissioner of Internal Kevenue. If he will per- form his duty, and require his subordinates to da theirs, we shall realize during this calendar year $300,000,000 of internal revenue, which will be an ample basis of public credit, and wiU go far to reduce the public debt. If our military and naval forces complete their great duty with- in this year, our present system of national finance wm, I confidently trust, very soon enable us to commence the permanent reduction of our national debt, and to resume specie payments within a period equal to that required in Great Britain after her wars with Napoleon. We have resources in this country, when united and at peace, far greater than those of any nation of modern times. Our accumulated wealth is not to be compared with that of Great Britain and France, but a bountiful Providence has given us sources of wealth far greater than either of these powerful nations ever had. The cotton now coming through our lines already affects the price of exchange. Petroleum is already ex- ported to the amount of thirty-one million gallons a year. Our mineral resources are scarcely touched. Our young sister Nevada is exciting our fancy with mountains of gold and silver ; and dry statistics inform us of a product there of gold and silver equal to the product of the world fifty years ago. The South is to be opened to new industry, and millions of laborers from Europe and from Asia are meeting on our favored shores to help develop our resources. We have taken our place among the geeat nations ; but as we have attained our military position only after hard, exacting toil of military discipline, after de- feats and discouragements, we can maintain our financial position only by the hard processes of taxes and economy: I wish to see the evil predictions of our enemies, at home and abroad, all belied. They prophesied disunion ; we will show them Union. They prophesied baniruptcy ; we will see them begging for our bonds, our cotton, pe- troleum, and gold. Then we can provide for our public debt. Then we can restore our commerce on the high seas, now driven by British pirates to take refuge under foreign flags. Then we may revive old doctrines about the American continent being no longer the home of European kings. Now our duty is dry, hard, exacting ; but it will be the more cheering when in the future our self-sacrificing patriotism in this great crisis shall have enabled our country to enter upon its new career without a stain upon its financial honor. 88 SPEECHES AND REPORTS OF JOHN SHERMAN. WAYS AND MEANS. APRIL 9, 1866. The Senate proceeded to the consideration of the bill (H. E. No. 207) to amend an act entitled " An act to provide ways and means to support the Government," approved March 3, 186D. Mr. Sherman said : I EEQEET very much that I differ from the Committee on Finance ia regard to this bill. This is the only bill on the subject of the public deot on which I have not been able to concur with that Committee. I do not perceive the necessity for conferring on the Secretary of the Treasury, in the present condition of our finances, the vast powers proposed to be conferred in this bill. It is true that the bill, as it now comes before us, is very different from the one first reported in the House of Eepresentatives. That bill contained a clause which author- ized the Secretary of the Treasury, not only to sell the bonds of the United States abroad, but to make them payable in the currency of foreign countries. Under it the Secretary could make our bonds pay- able in pounds, shillings, and pence, guilders, francs, or any of the various forms of currency known in any European country. That provision was stricken out by the House of Eepresentatives. After the bill was defeated in the House a clause was added, on reconsidera- tion, intended to limit the power of the Secretary of the Treasmy over the legal tenders ; but this clause, although wise in itself, will not ac- complish the purpose designed by the House. It is on this ground, chiefly, that I object to the biU as it now stands. If Senators will read the bill, they will find that it confers on the Secretary of the Treasury greater powers than have ever been con- ferred since the foundation of this Government upon any Secretarjr of the Treasury. Our loan laws heretofore have generally been confined to the negotiation of a single loan, limited in amount. As the war progressed the difiSculties of the country became greater, and we were more in the habit of removing the limitations on the power of the Secretary of the Treasury ; but generally the power conferred was con- fined to a particular loan then in the market. This bill, however, is more general in its terms. It authorizes the Secretary of the Treasiiry to sell any kind of bonds without limit, except as to the rate of intei'- est. It does not limit him to any form of security. The security may run for any period of time within forty years. He may sell the secu- rities at less than par, without limitation as to rate. He may sell them in any form he chooses. He may put them in the form of Treasury notes or bonds, the interest payable in gold or in paper money. He may undertake, under the provisions of this bill, to fund the Avhole debt of the United States. The only limit as to amount is the debt itself, now $2,700,000,000. The power conferred on the Secretary of the Treasury is absolute, and is to continue until the act shall be re- pealed. The description of the bonds in the act of March 3, 1866, re- ferred to here, would probably limit the rate of interest to six per cent. WAYS AND MEANS. 89 in coin and seven and three tenths per cent, in currency ; but with this exception there is no limitation. The people are not generally aware of the favorable condition of our finances. The statement of the public debt laid on our tables the other day does not show it fully. But a small portion of the debt of the United States wiU be due prior to August, 1867, that will give the Secretary any trouble. But little of the debt which he will be required to fund under the provisions of this bill matures before that time. The temporary or caU loan, now over one hundred millions, may readi- ly be kept at this sum even kt a reduced rate of interest. The certifi- cates of indebtedness, amounting to sixty-two millions, may easily be paid from accruing receipts, or, if necessary, may be renewed or funded at the pleasure of the Secretary. None of the compound-interest notes or the seven-thirty notes mature until August, 1867. It is idle, therefore, to say that there is now at this moment, or will be within a year, a pressing necessity to confer on the Secretary of the Treasury this enormous power. It is only in view of a change of policy, either by a reduction of the currency or some other measure in the mind of the Secretary, that he can claim that this power is neces- sary. Nor is there necessity to contract debt to pay current expendi- tures, because the present income exceeds our expenditures. In his annual report he estimated that there would be a deficit of $112,000,- 000 at the close of the present fiscal year. It is now admitted that there will be no deficit, and that the amount on hand together with the current receipts will be sufficient to pay the expenses of the Govern- ment up to the 1st of July next. The estimated expenditures during the next year are stated by him at |280»000,000. Those estimates have been reduced somewhat by the bills sent to us by the House of Kepresentatives, and it is scarcely possible that the expenditures dur- ing the next year can reach $275,000,000 on the present basis. We have a current revenue now of nearly $500,000,000 during this year. The amount of the gold receipts during the first three quarters of the year were $140,000,000, and for this quarter will not fall below $20,- 000,000 ; it is supposed that the internal revenue will yield during the current year not less than $320,000,000 ; so that, including the profits realized on the sale of surplus gold, we have an income of not less than $500,000,000 this year, and some authorities place it higher. Thus it is evident that we have $200,000,000 more income this year than we will have expenditures next year. No man can tell the future, and it is possible, perhaps probable, that during the next year there will be a considerable falling off in revenue. I do not think the internal revenue will fall off materially, because there are many sources of revenue that will come in next year which we have not yet felt. No one doubts that the tax on spirits will yield two or three times as much as it has during the current year. No doubt, however, other taxes will be diminished. I hope that the duties received from imported goods will be diminished by a diminu- tion of importations. But neither the Secretary of the Treasury nor the head of the Internal Eevenue Bureau contemplates any very mate- rial reduction, and on the basis of the present law as it now stands we 90 SPEECHES AND REPORTS OF JOHN SHERMAN. shall next year probably have a revenue of $400,000,000, or at least $100,000,000 more than the expenditure. There is therefore no immediate necessity for these vast powers. It is true we may repeal this law next year, but we know very well that when such powers are granted they are seldom recalled ; they are made precedents for further ^ants. It seems to me that the whole object of the passage of this bill is to enable the Secretary to contract the currency, and thus, as I think, to produce an unnecessary strain upon the people. The House of Eepresentatives did not intend to give him this authority. They debated the bill a long time, and it was defeated on the ground that they would not authorize him to reduce the currency ; and finally it was only passed with a proviso contained in the biU, which I will now read : Provided, That of United States notes not more than $10,000,000 maybe retired and canceled within six months from the passage of this act, and thereafter not more than $4,000,000 in any one month. The purpose of the House of Eepresentatives was, while giving the Secretary the most ample power over the debt by funding it as it ma- tured or even before maturity, to limit his power over the currency, lest he might carry to an extreme the view presented by him in his an- nual report. If this proviso would accomplish the purpose designed by the House of Eepresentatives, I would cease all opposition to the bill ; but I know it will not, and for this very obvious reason : that there is no restraint upon the power of the Secretary to accumulate legal-tender notes in the Treasury. He may retire $200,000,000 of legal-tender notes by retaining them in his possession without cancella- tion, and thus accomphsh the very thing the House of Eepresentatives did not intend to permit. He may seU the bonds of the United States at any rate he chooses for legal tenders, and he may hold those legal tenders in his vaults, thus retiring them from the business of the coun- try, and producing the very contraction which the House of Eepresen- tatives meant to prevent. Therefore, this proviso, which only limits the power of canceling securities or notes, does not limit his power over the currency ; and he may, without violating this biU, in pui-su- ance of the very terms of the bill, contract the currency accordmg to his own good will and pleasure. My own impression is that the Secretary of the Treasury, in carry- ing out his known policy, will do so. He says he wiU not contract it imreasonably or too rapidly, but I believe he will contract the currency in this way. He has now in the vaults of the Treasury $60,000,000 in currency and $62,000,000 in gold — a larger balance, I believe, than was ever before kept in the Treasury until within the last two or three months ; a larger balance than was ever found in the Treasury during the war. What is the object of accumulating these vast balances in the Treasury ? Simply to carry out his policy of contraction. With this power of retainmg in the Treasury the money that comes in, what does he care for the limitation put upon this bill by the House of Eep- resentatives ? That says that he shall not retire and cancel more than $10,000,000 of United States notes within six months, and not more WAYS AND MEANS. 91 than $4,000,000 in any one month thereafter ; but why need he retire and cancel them when he can retain them in the vaults of the Treasury, and thus contract the currency ? That brings me to the only material objection that I have to this bill. I do not think it wise now to place in the power of the Secretary of the Treasury or any mortal man this absolute and extreme control over the currency of the country. We have never done it before. In the bills that were passed when my honorable friend from Maine [Mr. Fessenden] was Secretary of the Treasury, and when Mr. Chase was Secretary of the Treasury, we authorized them to retire legal-tender notes, but only by issuing other notes of the same character. I do not doubt in the least either the integrity or the capacity of the present incumbent of the Treasury Department ; I have as much confidence in him as any one ; but this question of the currency is one that affects so intimately all the business relations of life, the property of every man in this country, his ability to pay taxes, his ability to earn food and acquire a living, that no man ought to have the power to vary the volume of currency. It ought to be regulated by law, and the law ought to be so fixed and so defined that every business man may trans- act his business with full knowledge of the amount of the currency, with all its Hmits and qualifications. With the powers conferred by this bill the Secretary of the Trea- sury may at any moment put into the market a bond that will at once absorb aU the legal tenders. It may be said that he will not do it ; that it will not be his interest to do it. Then why give him the power to do it when it is not necessary ? If there was now an impending ne- cessity resting upon him to raise a large sum of money within a short time, I would be willing to give him this power as cheerfully as any one ; but there is no such necessity. Why, then, place it in his power to contract or expand the currency at his pleasure, and thus make fluc- tuations in all the business transactions of life ? That this is not an idle fear I know from correspondence with some of the best business men of the country. They are alarmed, and refuse to go on and con- tract new obligations ; they refuse to go on with their business in the manner in .which it has gone on ; the effect of the pendency of this biU has been to limit and contract the transactions in various operations of enterprise and business. I presume there are few Senators here but have had complaints of this kind made from business men in different parts of the country, that the uncertainty of the amount of currency on hand, and the uncertainty as to the policy to be adopted by the Gov- ernment and the Secretary of the Treasury, take away from them aU means of judging as to what amount of business they can transact. I do not think that this is the time or the occasion to enter into an elaborate discussion as to the amount of currency needed in this coun- try, or as to the various financial subjects that may be brought before the Senate at different periods. My own impression has been, and when this bill was before the Committee on Finance I believed it would be better for that Committee to report to the Senate a financial project to fund the debt of the United States. I believe that now is the favorable time to do it. If a five per cent, bond, a long bond of 92 SPEEOIIES AND REPORTS OF JOHN SHERMAN. oper description and proper guarantee, was now placed upon the meet, with such ample powers to negotiate it as ought to be given to pror marli ^ ^ ^ the Secretary of the Treasury, such a loan as was authorized two years ago, ^t a reduced rate of interest, to be exempt from taxation, I have no doubt whatever the Secretary of the Treasury could fund every portion of the debt of the United States as it matured. The real difiSculty of our financial position in the future grows out of the peculiar character of the seven-thirty notes. By those notes the holder, when they mature, has the option to demand the money or a live-twenty bond. It is manifest that as this option is out it can not be recalled. To recall it would be a violation of the faith of the United States, that the holder of these notes may demand either the money or a bond. It is therefore the interest of the United States so to preserve its credit that the five-twenties will be above par, and thus the seven- thirty notes when due will be converted into five-twenties, which wiU run for five years at six per cent. ; then I think the whole debt of the United States might be funded and reduced to five per cent. I do not believe it would Emit or cripple the power of the Secretary if we would grant him authority to put upon the market such a bond as I have men- tioned, and limit his power over the national currency by requiring him to pay out all over a reasonable balance in the Treasury toward the liquidation of the public debt, and thus prevent the very thing the House of Representatives intended to prevent by this proviso to the bill. I do not like to embarrass a bill of this kind with amendments, be- cause I know it is difiicult to consider amendments of this sort requir- ing an examination of figures and tables. I have prepared a bill very carefully, with a view to meet my idea, but I will not present it now in antagonism to this bill passed by the House of Representatives and the view taken by the Finance Committee, because I know that, in the present condition of the Senate, it would not probably be fully consid- ered. My only purpose now is to point out the fact, that is perfectly clear to the mind of every sensible man who has examined this bill, that as it stands it does not carry out the manifest intention of the House of Representatives when they passed it, and that the pro^-iso limiting the power of the Secretary ovfer the legal-tender currency does not accomplish the purpose which they designed, and without which I know the bill never could have passed the House of Representatives. Mr. Fessanden, Mr. Chandler, and others briefly discussed the question, and it was tlien resumed by Mr. Sherman. The chairman of the Committee on Finance has substantially ad- mitted in his argument that there was no necessity for this bill except to endorse the policy or theory of the Secretary of the Treasurv. In tlie present condition of our finances I do not tliink it wise to at'lvance theories or to endorse them. Perhaps it was not Avise in the Secretary of the Treasury to be so o])en in the announcement beforehand of what he intended to do, and perhaps it would be just as unwise for Congress now to endorse that policy until we see the events that Avill come before us. WATS AKD MEANS. 93 That this bill is not necessary for maintaining the public credit I think is clearly demonstrated. It certainly is not necessary to meet current expenditures. On all hands it is admitted that our receipts are in advance of them, and no possible or probaUe deduction will make our receipts fall below them ; so that the bill is not necessary as a loan bill to enable the Secretary to get money to carry on the expenses of the Government. The honorable Senator from Maine admits substan- tially that it is not necessary for other purposes. The only debt that is maturing during the coming year is $62,000,000 of certificates of in- debtedness. The balance now on hand, as reported and shown by the Treasury books, is $120,000,000 ; but the actual balance on hand is some twenty or thirty millions more than the reported balance growing out of the manner in which the books of the Treasury are kept. A draft is drawn here on the Treasurer at New Y ork, and it is im- mediately put to his credit though the money may not be drawn for some time, so that there is always more money in the Treasury than the books show ; and that simple fact led to the controversy, about which a good deal has been said in the newspapers, between the Comp- troller of the Currency and the Secretary of the Treasury. Deposits are made in the national banks all over the country, and it may be some time before they are so reported at "Washington as to be entered on the books of the Treasury here ; while if drafts are drawn here on New Orleans or anywhere else, they are at once entered on the books of the Treasury to the credit of the Treasurer, while the money may not be actually drawn for a month or two months. There is always that dis- crepancy ; there is always more money in the Treasury than is reported by the Treasury Department, not because they intend to deceive any- body, but simply from the nature of the transactions and the manner in which the accounts are kept. I say there is no necessity for this bill to enable the Secretary of the Treasury to pay the current expenses or to meet accruing indebted- ness. The sixty-two millions of certificates of indebtedness can be paid out of the current receipts ; or if they are not sufficient, as the Senator knows very well, the Secretary has now power to exchange for those certificates any of the bonds of the United States. He may issue five- twenties in payment of those certificates under the existing law. Ther6 is no necessity for the bill therefore for that purpose. In regard to the seven-thirties, the honorable Senator agrees with me that it is not expected that they will be paid in money ; the holders undoubtedly wiU avail themselves of their privilege to convert them into five-twenties, so that they are not to burden the Treasury ; and that win postpone the payment of the principal of all of them five years more, and give the Government the option of paying them after any time within twenty years. There is, therefore, no object in this bin to provide for the credit of the Government, because the credit of the Government is already provided for, and the Secretary of the Treasury has ample power for that purpose. "What, then, is the purpose of the bill ? I think the Senator frankly stated it ; it is to declare the policy of the reduction of the non-interest- bearing legal tenders. Under the present law, he has power to retire 94 SPEECHES AND REPORTS OF JOHN SHERMAN. every dollar of tlie interest-bearing legal tenders by exchange ; lie may re- deem them when they become due, and no portion of them wiU be due until August, 1867, and then they mature gradually, and not in bulk. He' has power under the existing law to retire them by exchange of any securi- ties for them, and with the present ease in the money market there is no difficulty in retiring them whenever he can get hold of them. Whenever he can get hold of them, he is now retiring them. The trouble is that they are sought for and held by brokers and banks and bankers, and therefore he can not reach them until they become due, when they wiU faU ifito the body of the national debt. There is no object in passing this bill except to contract the currency, and the hon- orable Senator says the Secretary will not do that to an unreasonable extent ; but in his annual report he says he will do it. That is the whole theory of his proposition, and he is doing it, and in the very way I have mentioned. The Secretary of the Treasury accumulates large balances on hand. Our friend here on my right [Mr. Fessenden] had no such balance in his hands when he was Secretary there ; he was very glad to have a much less balance ; and for the ordinary purposes of the Treasury Department, is there any occasion for such an enor- mous balance ? What is it held there for ? The balance has been so great that the Secretary actually has retired notes that are not due for two and a half years. I would have no objection to conferring on him the power to dis- pose of bonds to meet bills as they mature. Indeed, I may say that was one of the amendments I proposed, that the power to sell bonds should be only to meet accruing indebtedness. Give him one year, if you choose, to do it in, but no more. I do not think it is wise to con- fer on the Secretary of the Treasury the power to meet the indebted- ness not accruing for a year or two or three years. I do not think it is necessary in our present financial condition to authorize hun to go into market now and sell bonds at current market rates with a view to pay debts that do not mature in a year or two. I have no doubt befoi"e the five-twenty loans are due we shall retire every dollar of them at four or five per cent, interest. No one who heeds the rapid develop- ments of new sources of wealth in this country, the enormous yield of gold now, the renewal of industry in the South, the enormous yield of cotton, the growing wealth of this country, and all the favorable pros- pects that are before us, doubts the ability of this Government before this debt matures to reduce it to four or five per cent, interest. I therefore do not think it wise to place it in the power of the Secretaiy of the Treasury to sell six per cent, long bonds or any class of bonds, even five per cent, bonds, except to meet accruing indebtedness. This I am perfectly wilKng to do : the Secretary of the Treasury may sell bonds at any rate to meet debts as they accrue, but that is not the pur- pose of this bill. I will state here tliat I have in my hands a table showing that the Secretary of the Treasury used a portion of the surplus revenue for the purpose of retii'ing the seven- thirties not due for two years and a half to come. Ik; lias rotirod, of the third issue of seven-thirties, $7,T69,- 000 ; and of the second issue, not due until June and July, 1868, WATS AND MEANS. 95 $4,402,000 ; making an aggregate of $12,000,000 which he has retired in the very mode provided in this bill. That is the power now given, and he will use the power. He may think it to his interest to retire the whole of the seven-thirties or the ten-forties ; but is it wise for us to give him that power now, at the heel of the war and before things have settled down ? I do not think it is. I repeat, I do not wish to call in question the integrity of the Secre- tary of the Treasury. The Senator interjects by saying we must look ahead. There is just the difference between him and- me. I say the future for this country is hopeful, buoyant, joyous. We shall not have to beg of foreign nations, or even of our own people, money within two or three years. Our national debt will be eagerly sought for, I have no doubt. I take a hopeful view of the future. I do not wish now to cripple the industry of the country by adopting the policy of the Secretary of the Treasury, as he calls it, by reducing the currency, by crippling the operations of the Grovernment, when I think that, under any probability of affairs in the future, all this debt wiU take care of itself. I believe that if the Secretary of the Treasury would do nothing in the world except simply sit in his chair, meet the accru- ing indebtedness, and issue his Treasury warrants, this debt will take care of itself, and will fund itself at four or five per cent, before very long. In my judgment, the amount of legal tenders now outstanding is not too much for the present condition of the country. I expect to come back to specie payments, and I expect to see gold approach the level and standard of our paper money, without any material reduction of our currency. Our currency now is less than the currency of Eng- land or France, according to the statistical tables we have. Our whole currency now is $T04,000,000, excluding the interest-bearing legal ten- ders, which do not enter at all into it, and which can not be found, and including bank circulation of every kind. Four hundred and fifty millions of it consist of United States notes and fractional currency. Then, there are over $260,000,000 of bank currency, iucluding the notes of outstanding State banks, which are being rapidly retired. The limit of the national-bank currency is $300,000,000 ; so that the whole currency can not exceed $750,000,000. I do not consider the compound- interest notes as anything, because they are not in circulation. The circulation before the war was $20T,000,000 in paper, and perhaps $100,000,000 in gdd. It is difficult to tell how much gold there was in the country. vVe are now developing the mining regions. The production of gold is increasing with great rapidity. The amount of gold in the country I believe will in five years approach the amount of our legal-tender currency, so that the one will be convertible into the other. The proportion of gold to that currency at this day is greater than it was at the beginning of the war. Exchange with all countries is in our favor. Bills on England can now be had for 106 in gold. That is two or three per cent, in our favor. We have vast uses for the currency. It is being absorbed in the Southern States and held there. They are glad to sell anything they have got for it. Cotton, which was hardly counted indeed when the war ended, has yielded enor- mously. 96 SPEECHES AND REPORTS OF JOHN SHERMAN. In regard to going back to specie payments, M-hen did ever a nation travel toward specie payment as rapidly as this country has done with- out a reduction of the currency ? Here is a significant fact, that when gold was 280 our currency was $550,000,000 ; and now, when our cur- rency is over $700,000,000, gold is 130, and going down and down, and no power in this world can prevent its going down. This fact shows thait the mere amount of legal tender outstanding does not fix the rate of gold. That is the result of the restored confidence of the people of this country and of all nations in the credit of the United States. I believe that if the Secretary of the Treasury will keep out of the stock market, will just remain in his seat in the Treasury Department, and pay the debts as they become due, the people of the United States will take care of the currency of the country and of the credit of the Gov- ernment ; and it will not be necessary to buy bonds before they mature or do anything else except simply to meet the current indebtedness in order to bring us back to specie payments, and I do not believe any power can prevent it. I do not wish the Senate to suppose that in these remarks I intend to criticise the conduct of the Secretary of the Treasury. He takes a different view from what I do. I am more hopeful than he is. He probably, like a good banker as he is, wants a very lar^e balance on hand. I have more confidence in the future, and am willing to trust to it. I do not now see any imperative necessity for this bill, but at the same time I would make no opposition to it, no opposition to the vast power to sell bonds, because I think the power would not be abused, if the Secretary would not in this way undertake to carry out what he calls his policy, a contraction of the currency without any specific law. That is what I am afraid of — ^his interference to contract the currency. The honorable Senator from Maine, however, would seem to think that I impute to him a wrong motive, and therefore I corrected him when he made the remark that I seemed to suppose the Secretary was doing this improperly. I think not. The Secretary of the Treasury informed us that he desired to reduce the currency, and he has been doing it as far as he could. He has been accumulating large balances. He was opposed to the proviso which has been inserted in this bill, and yielded ' to it only with reluctance. That is admitted on all hands, and he is not precluded either in honor or propriety from carrying out his policy if you give him the power to do it. This is all I desire to say upon the bill. The only reason why I spoke is because I can not vote for it under the circumstances ; I felt bound to state thus briefly the reasons that actuated me in coming to this conclusion. • The bill was further discussed and passed. FUNDING THE NATIONAL DEBT. 97 FUNDING THE NATIONAL DEBT. IN TEE UNITED STATES SENATE, MAY ^2, 1866. The Senate having under consideration thcr bill (S. No. 300) to reduce the rate of interest on the national debt, and for funding the same, Mr. Sherman said : Mb. Peesident : This bill came to us in the usual mode from the Secretary of the Treasury, and its purpose is to facilitate the negoti- ation of a five per cent. loan. I have had an earnest desire during the present session of Congress to see the interest on the debt of the United States reduced to a rate not exceeding five per cent. ; but the Secretary of the Treasury, as will be gathered from his public docu- ments, hesitated somewhat as to wheSier he could negotiate a loan bearing that rate of interest. After full consideration, however, he presented this bill as containing the terms upon which, in his judg- ment, this loan could be negotiated. It came to us, and by general consent was reported to the Senate, printed for the purpose of at- tracting attention and criticism, and was subsequently considered by the Committee, and reported. Its history is now known to the Senate. Before considering the specific terms of the bill, it will be neces- sary for me to state the condition of the public debt. By the state- ment laid on our tables on the 1st of May, it appears that the ascer- tained debt of the United States at that time was $2,827,676,871 ; and from that may be properly deducted the amount of money (coin and curi'eney) on hand o $137,987,028.82. To this aggregate must neces- sarily be added quite a number of items, some of which have been acted upon at the present session of Congress, and some of which will be acted upon before our adjournment, the mere statement of which will show the Senate the probable condition of the public debt within the next year or two. The largest sum that will be required is by the bill introduced from the Committee on Military Affairs for the equal- ization of bounties, which will require, if passed, near $200,000,000. What will be the fate of that measure I have no means of knowing. The Pacific Bailroad, now being constructed, will probably cost in the course of the next five years something like $50,000,000. In the settlements with the States foi* expenses incurred for the military service in an irregular way, we have already appropriated, I think, about $10,000,000 to the States of Missouri, Kansas, Penn- sylvania, and West Virginia ; and there are other claims of the same character which will be presented by other States. I am told that In- diana, Kentucky perhaps, and Ohio will have such claims. Ohio has a claim of that kind growing out of the Morgan raid. The probability is that this class of claims, now unadjusted but not disputed, the prin- ciple having been settled, will take $20,000,000. The largest yet al- lowed was to the State of Missouri, which I think amounted to some $7,000,000. Then there is the measure presented by a prominent member of the House of Representatives, which I hope will not pass 7 98 SPEECHES AND KEP0ET8 OF JOHN SHEKMAN". — ^the proposition to assume a portion of the expenses of the States in raising men during the rebellion, and which, should it receive the sanc- tion of Congress, would take,' by its terms, $116,000,000. As I have seen but very little eflEort to pass that bill, I lay that aside as not a probable burden upon the Treasury. Then there are classes of large private claims growing out of the war, many of which are being constantly pressed upon us, and which will take probably millions of dollars, but the precise amount of which no man can estimate. The bill passed the other day for the relief of the contractors for the iron-clads, and the claims made by the States of Kentucky and Tennessee and the various border States for damages caused by the war, and claims for property used by the army, are speci- mens of this class of claims, amounting, I might say, to fifties and hundreds of milhons. I take it the great body of these claims will be rejected upon the general principles of public law ; and therefore, in estimating the probable burden on the Treasury, I do not put this item very large, especially as I see a disposition in Congress to criticise very accurately this class of claims. It therefore is very certain that in the most favorable SBpect of affairs the public debt of the United States might fairly now be esti- mated at $3,000,000,000. That is the amount stated by the Secre- tary of the Treasury in his annual report, and I think it is not over- stated. With the strong probability of passing the bill for the equali- zation of bounties, it may be understated ; but I take it as a correct estimate. It will be observed that this debt is of the most diverse character. It consists not only of the unliquidated claims that I have specified, but the pubhc debt which is ascertained is provided for by twenty- seven different laws and as many as forty different forms of securities. The report on the finances, which was laid on your table at the com- mencement of the present session, contains a list of these various loans, covering six^or seven pages. Under some of these laws there is a great diversity of issues. For instance, under the seven-thirty law there are three different series of notes, and under the five-twenty law there are five different series, containing somewhat different provisions. The seven^thirties vary somewhat, although it is very difficult pi-eciselv to state the difference. The difference arises from the dates of issue partly, but in the seven-thirties it exists also in the terms of the bond. The principal difference is that in one class of those bonds the interest may be at the pleasure of the Government paid in gold at six per cent. I merely allude to this diversity to show that the natural idea of every one connected with the finances of the Go\'ornment would be, as early as possible, to consolidate the piiblic debt of the United States. It is now difficult for the people of the United States to undei-stand any but two or three of these loans, and none but a skillful financier, engaged in the purchase and sale of stocks, can tell the various differences in value of the different securities, and the reasons therefor. It is obvi- ous, therefore, that for public conx-enience it is necessary to consolidate these loans as soon as possible into one distinct form, so that we shall liavc nothing to provide for but the interest of the debt and such por- FUNDING THE NATIONAL DEBT. 99 tion of the principal as tlie policy of the United States may require us to pay off. There is another reason for funding our public debt. It is not a question of policy, but it is a question of necessity. A large portion of this debt matures very soon, and it must be either renewed or paid off. It can only be paid off by selling other bonds, and consequently there is necessity of prescribing the terms of these new securities. I have here a table showing when this public debt matures : CHAEACTEE OF ISSUE. Amount outstanding. When redeemable. Temporary loan, four per cent $612,227 98 21,664,710 65 67,266,168 47 65,921,000 00 32,686,901 00 Due Due. Due. Certificates of indebtedness, six per cent One- and two-year notes, five per cent Due. Due. $178,001,008 10 Six per cent, bonds (five-twenties) Six per cent, bonds $514,780,600 00 9,415,250 00 167,012,141 00 234,400,000 00 After May 1, 1867. After Dec. 31, 1867. Six per cent, compound-interest notes Seven and three tenths Treasury notes After Dec. 31, 1867. After June 30, 1867. Total maturing in 1867 $925,607,891 00- Six per cent, bonds, . ....,.,.. $8,908,341 80 66,600,000 00 300,000,000 00 230,000,000 00 After July 1, 1868. Seven and three tenths Treasury notes ....... a (( (( t( It U 4t u After March 3, 1868. After March 3, 1868. After March 3, 1868. Total maturing in 1868 $604,608,341 80 $100,000,000 00 After Nov. 1, 1869. $50,590,300 00 After Nov. 1, 1870. $7,022,000 00 After Jan. 1, 1871. Five per cent, bonds..' . $20,000,000 00 172,770,100 00 After Jan. 1, 1874. Five per cent bonds (ten-forties) After March 1, 1874. Total maturing in 1874 $192,770,100 00 $18,415,000 00 After Dec. 31, 1880. Six per cent, bonds $50,000,000 00 1-92,252,430 00 76,000,000 00 1,016,000 00 After June 80, 1881. Sis per cent, bonds After June 30, 1881. Six per cent bonds . After June 30, 1881. After July 1, 1881. Total maturing in 1881 $318,268,430 00 Six per cent, bonds (IT. P. R. R. Co.) Six per cent, bonds (C. P. R. R, Co.) $640,000 00 1,898,000 00 After Nov. 1, 1895. Total maturing in 1896 $2,538,000 00 It will thus be seen that, while the pressure of the principal of the public debt is not very great now, yet $1Y8,000,000 is within the reach of the Secretary, and that next year and the year following both the seven-thirties and iive-twenties come within his reach for payment or 100 SPEECHES AND REPORTS OF JOHN SHERMAN. conversion. The Government may have a longer time for payment if it chooses, by paying six per cent, interest in gold. But I wish simply now to show ithat it is within the power of the Government, if it can reduce the rate of interest, to do so consistently with the stipu- lations of the bonds. But there is another argument for consolidating the debt derived from another table that I nave before me. All modem nations who are now dealing very largely in public debt have afl a matter of policy reduced their public debt to some simple form, so that in every coun- try there is a speciiic debt known to the people of that country, with a iixed rate of interest prescribed by law ; and the whole of the public debt is generally put in that form as soon as possible. England had formerly the same diversity of securities that we now have ; but it has been the policy of English statesmen, from William Pitt down to this time, to reduce the debt into one simple form, so that there should be nothing but the interest to be provided for ; and the result has been that the whole of the public debt of England is reduced to a three per cent, debt, except about one million pounds. The total amount of the public debt of Great Britain is £799,802,139, and the whole of this may now be said to be a three per cent, annuity, the principal, however, redeemable at the pleasure of the Government. In France I find the same thing has occurred. The term rentes generally describes the great mass of the public debt. I think all the debt, except a few technical annuities, given probably for specific purposes, one called obligations trentenaires, and some floating debt, is now funded in the form of rentes. The debt of Russia, also, is now funded into three, four and a half, and five per cent, stocks — ^the great body of it in the form of five per cent, foreign loans. The same statement holds good in regard to all European countries. Every nation in Europe, where a public debt has existed in some cases for centuries, has adopted it as a principle to reduce that debt to as simple a form as possible, so that the interest alone would be a charge upon the treasury, and that a sinking fund should pay off gradually such portion of the principal of the public debt as the policy of the Government would allow. It is manifest that if the debt of the United States was now i"e- duced to one simple form of a five per cent, stock or bond, so that the United States need look only to the payment of the interest, and to the payment or purchase of such portion of the principal as its policy might dictate, much of our financial difficulty would be removed. What is now the trouble with us ? Why can not this project be adopted 'i The answer is that a very large portion of the principal of the public debt becomes due in a short time, and the Secretary must provide for the payment of it ; and this very necessity of going constantly into the market to I'ciicw tliese loans imposes upon him nearly all the burdens of his office. And yet I do not arraign the iwlicy that was adopted during the war of making short loans. It was proper to do it, it was necessary to do it. It was not proper for this Government to stipu- late to pay these high rates of interest for a long period of time, and tlierofore during tln^ war it was necessary to make snort loans at a high rate of intoi-cst ; but it was always (k)ne in view of reducing the rate FUNDING THE NATIONAL DEBT. 101 of interest after the war was over, and witli a view of consolidating the whole debt. The pohcy, so far as I know, of those connected with the finances of the country, has been to keep ever in view the principle of redeemableness in every form of security issued during the war. Therefore the five-twenty bond was payable or might be paid after five years. The seven-thirties and the various forms of securities that have been issued are within the reach of the Govern- ment in a short time. Why was this idea so carefully kept in view? Simply to enable the United States to retain the advantage of paying the principal after the war when loans could be negotiated on more favorable terms. And now we may properly reap the benefit of this wise policy. We may now enter the money market with the laureis of victory and peace. We need no longer compete with the industrial interests of our citizens in borrowing money, but may prescribe our own terms and renew our debts on conditions consistent with our vast power and resources. Now, Mr. President, the only additional question I need present in this connection is. Is this the time to fund the public debt ? I say emphatically it is. I believe we have wasted four or five precious months already. I believe that the process would have been easier at the beginning of this session than it will be now ; and why ? In or- der to fund the public debt of the United States, a large amount of currency is necessary ; but it is necessary for us to reduce our currency as soon as possible. We can not get back to specie payments without some reduction of the currency. Every one desires to resume specie payments, but before we do so the debt ought to be funded. It can not be funded on as favorable terms after we return to specie pay- ments. The very abundance of the currency obviously enables us to fund the debt at a low rate of interest ; and as the debt was contracted upon an inflated currency, it is just and right that upon that same cur- rency it should be funded in its permanent form. The efEect of the superabundance of paper money is to reduce the rate of interest ; that is obvious. At the time of the celebrated John Law excitement, the rate of interest in France was reduced to one and a half, per cent, by the overwhelming amount of paper money. I say that now, above all others, is the time to fund this debt in some form of security. If we postpone it six months or a year, it wUl only add to our difiiculties. The longer we postpone it, and the longer we leave this amount of floating indebtedness upon the market of the United States, the less win we be able to fund it at a low rate of interest and on favorable terms. And, sir, we have no choice about it. We have got to do it, because this debt is maturing, and we have got to put it in some other form unless we intend — to use a very expressive phrase — ^to shin it, and go into the market to renew short loans. This debt matures, and it must be paid. It can be paid, not by taxes, but by selling new bonds and new loans ; and therefore we must determine upon some form of funding it as soon as practicable. And this brings me to the main question, what rate of interest the United States ought to pay on the pubhc debt. Upon $830,000,000 we are now paying interest at the rate of seven and three tenths per 102 SPEECHES AND EEPORTS OF JOHN SHERMAN. cent., higher than we allow our citizens to exact from each other. Upon the great part of our debt we pay six per cent, in gold, equiva- lent at present rates to seven and eight tenths per cent, in the currency for which the bonds were sold. We exempt our public creditors from the burdens of taxation. The question is now whether we are willing to continue to pay such interest, and whether we are unable to meet our obligations on more favorable terms. And, sir, in considering this question, I wish it distinctly under- stood that I would not ai-bitrarily change anj contract with a public creditor. Public faith is the most precious jewel of a nation, and I would not tarnish ours by any violation of promise or contract. So far as we have stipulated we must pay ; our credit demands it. An old writer says : This is the great thing called credit. Credit is a consequence, not a cause ; the effect of a substance, not a substance ; it is the sunshine, not the sun ; the quicken- ing something, call it what you will, that gives life to trade, gives being to the branches and moisture to the roots. It is the oil to the wheel, the marrow in the bone, the blood in the veins, and the spirits in the heart of all the negoee, trade, cash, and commerce of the world. Credit is based not only upon a strict compliance with contracts and ability to perform them, but also upon great care in making them. We must have prudence in making a contract, honor in observing it, and ability to perform it. These are the elements of pubKc as well as private credit. Our history as a~nation has shown that we have the means and will to fill our contracts. It is for us to show our prudence in making them in the future. In private dealing we will not tmst a man who nas great means and ample property, if he is reckless in mak- ing engagements ; but we do trust a prudent man who has no resources but his prudence and probity. As a nation we ought not to impair our credit by making engagements more onerous than other nations do, unless we are compelled to do so by stem necessity. Now, sir, I can not but think that it is discreditable to us as a nation that we are now issuing our bonds at a higher rate of interest than any Christian nation of the world ; that we now continue to issue, at a coin value of seventy- five cents on the dollar, six per cent, bonds, principal and interest pay- able in gold. I do think that the fact that European nations, M-ith their complicated relations and expensive forms of government, can sell their securities at a more favorable rate than we, is an unpleasant fact no longer justified by the relative condition of the several coun- tries. While we were in war, our Government in discredit, and our own people fearing the result of the struggle, we were forced bv neces- sity to pay high rates ; but to do so now is a confession of Nvoalcness that I see no foundation for. Let us test this question by a more detailed comparison of the rates of interest paid by this and other countries, and of the resources of each. I have a table showing the debt, population, and annual interest paid by leading nations : FUNDING THE NATIONAL DEBT. 103 Sia'.ement shinning the aggregate indebtedness of the several European and American nations, and its average per capita on the popxdation thereof ; the aggregate interest per annum, and its average per capita on the population thereof. COUNTI^IES. Great Britain,, United States.. France Russia Austria Spain Holland Prussia Portugal Belgium Bavaria Brazil. ...... Denmark .... Saxony Hanover Wurtemberg . Hamburg .... Greece Total debt. Population. Per capita. $4,000,000,000 80,000,000 $138 33 3,000,000,000 36,000,000 85 71 2,000,000,000 36,500,000 54 79 1,165,000,000 79,000,000 14 62 ■ 1,125,000,000 35,000,000 32 14 535,000,000 16,000,000 83 44 465,000,000 3,000,000 166 00 210,000,000 18,000,000. 11 66 150,000,000 4,000,000 37 50 130,000,000 4,600,000 28 88 130,000,000 4,600,000 28 88 114,000,000 7,700,000 14 80 60,000,000 2,600,000 23 08 48,000,000 2,000,000 24 00 40,000,000 1,800,000 22 24 26,000,000 1,700,000 14 70 23,000,000 222,000 103 60 20,000,000 1,000,000 20 00 Annual interest. $132,000,000 139,000,000 78,000,000 38,000,000 58,000,000 13,000,000 11,400,000 11,600,000 5,200,000 8,000,000 5,660,000 5,720,000 3,129,000 2,050,000 1,760,000 1,470,000 1,360,000 230,000 Per capita. $4 40 3 97 2 14 48 1 66 81 8 80 64 1 30 1 77 1 25 74 1 20 1 02 ' 98 86 6 12 23 But this table, whOe it presents us in an unpleasant aspect, does not show all the facts. Of our debt only $2,200,000,000 is on interest. The residue is not funded or is ia the form of currency ; but on the sum of a little more than $2,000,000,000 we pay $139,000,000 of inter- est, while Great Britain pays a less sum of interest by some millions of dollars on nearly double the debt. The rate of interest on her consols, at their present market value, is three- and a third per cent. One hun- dred dollars of her bonds, bearing interest at three per cent., will sell in any money market of the world for eighty-six dollars in gold, equal to ninety-four dollars in our coin ; while one hundred dollars of tJnited States bonds, bearing six per cent, interest, will sell in Europe at from sixty-five to seventy doUars in sterling gold, and in the market at New *York for about seventy-six dollars in our coin. Is there such a differ- ence between the condition of affairs in this country and in Great Britain ? Is there anything in our public credit, the nature of our in- stitutions, or the character of our laws, or in the uncertainty of pay- ment, that compels this exorbitant difference ? I do not think so. In France the rate of interest is about four per cent, and a fraction; sometimes a little less than four. In Eussia it is five per cent. In Austria it is five per cent. Five per cent, is the highest rate paid, ex- cept during an emergency, by any of those countries ; and their re- sources are not to be compared with ours. This table shows that, tested by the public debt of any nation of modern times, the amount paid by the United States is entirely exorbitant, and therefore the first duty is to reduce the rate. In my judgment, it will be a public dis- credit if the Secretary of the Treasury is compelled to issue any more six per cent, gold-bearing bonds. "When you examine onr resources and compare them with the amount of our public debt, the latter seems insignificant. It is shown, not only by our official tables, but by the actual exhibition of our 104 SPEECHES AND REPORTS OF JOHN SHERMAN. industry and strength in tlie last three or four years, that we have more elements of strength and more resources in money than any na- tion in Europe. England has but thirty million people upon whom her public debt rests ; we have thirty-five million people, and our pop- ulation increases at a ratio without exajmple, maintaining that ratio for sixty years. We have the broadest agricultural field of any nation in the world, not excepting Eussia, because the greater part of Eussia is either too cold or too dry for agricultural productions. We have a territory of compact form but varied climate, and productions greater in amount than all Europe. We have 2,044,077 separate farms, each occupied by the owner, and in the main tilled by his own labor. Our coal fields are estimated to be thirty-six times the size of those of Great Britain and Ireland, and are distributed throughout allportions of the country. As coal is the basis of the wealth of Great Britain, and ac- tually yields seventy-two million tons, while we now consume but fif- teen millions, we have in coal a bank that will never break, a mine of jewels more valuable than all the gold of the world. And our mineral resources are greater than those of any two countries of the world. California has furnished to the mints of the United States for coining over $360,000,000 in gold, and probably a greater amount in bullion exchanged for foreign productions. Mountains of rich iron ore are scattered over most of the States. We have more actual wealth 'per capita than any nation in Europe. The price of labor here is twice what it is in Europe. All the elements which enter into the computa- tion are in our favor. For us to pay this rate of interest, it seems to me, is an acknowledgment that there is some defect in our fonn of government, some insecurity, or some unreasonable demand for the use of money, that I can not explain. The vast disproportion between the rates of interest we pay and our resources has excited the intelligent observation of an Englishman recently among us, who has written a book upon the resom'ces and prospects of America, a copy of which I have before me. I refer tq^ Sir Morton Peto, and I am sure every Senator who hears me will deeply regret that gne so friendly to our country seems, by the advices we have this morning, to have been involved in financial emban-ass-, ments at home. This intelligent writer, who is familiar with tlie whole system of finance and taxation in England, has presented in this volurne the results of his study and observation of our resom-ces in a manner that must attract the attention of every reader. The book is a careful collection of facts admirably arranged, but without attempt at concealment or exaggeration, and he closes it by saying that, after the completion of our Pacific railroad — We shall he called upon to regard America as the greatest nation of the world. She will be entitled to take that rank by reason of her extent, her diversity of soil and climate, the character of her oomfflunieations, the variety of her resources, her vast mineral riches, and the abundant field which she presents for labor and for the employment of capital and enterprise, ^fany among us are accustomed to smile when we hear the Americans 9i)cak of the United States, in their accustomed man- ner, as a " great nation." But there is no more boast in that description. Em- phatically, America is a "groat nation." Whore can wo find her equal in geo- graiihical and natural advantages, in material profiross, or in general prosperity?' FUNDING THE NATIONAL DEBT. 105 As a united people, the Americans present to the ■world a spectacle that must excite general admiration. Eegarding them as of the same race and ancestry with ourselves, as a people using pur language, governed by our laws, united by the same religion, influenced by kindred sentiments, their progress is a spectacle which should kindle our admiration and enthusiasm. And, sir, in this connection we must remember that while our resources are so great, they are not locked up in the bosom of Mother Earth, but may be touched by the power of taxation. The actual ex- periment has been tried, and the result has been far greater than any of us estimated. "We are now collecting a revenue greater than any modern nation. A recent official statement made to us by the Rev- enue Commissioners shows that during the current year the result of our taxes is over $500,000,000 dollars, a sum greater than France or Great Britain ever collected in any one year. We are now en- gaged in the happy duty of repealing many of these taxes, but will still retain $30,000,000 to apply annually on the principal of our debt ; a fact that has forcibly impressed the mind of Mr. Gladstone, who, after yeai's of peace, is fortunate in being able in Great Britain to pro- pose a plan of slightly reducing the debt of that country by changing a portion of it into terminable annuities. Another element of credit is that under our system of government our national expenses are far less than those of other nations. Sir Mor- ton Peto says : " In proportion to population, the United States in 1860 had, I apprehend, the smallest expenditure and the smallest national debt of any country in the world." And, sir, even under the increase of our expenditure since the war, our actual expenditure, other than on ac- count of the public debt, will be in the future far less than that of the same population in Europe. Here war expenses cease with the war. No standing army swells exorbitantly our estimates. Our heroes who saved the country by war are now enriching it by their labor. Our current expenses next year will be considerably less than two hundred millions. So that whatever view we 'take of our financial position, whether we consider our resources, our receipts, our expenditure, or the varied industry of our people, we must conclude that we are not justified in paying rates of interest so far in excess of other nations. Again, sir, the present rate of interest is a war rate, and the distinc- tion between a war rate and a peace rate is recognized by all writers on the subject. England was compelled to sell many of her three per cent, annuities at some sixty cents on the dollar ; but even England when she was involved in the great war with Napoleon never paid any- thing like the rate of interest that we pay. It seems from the report of one of the Revenue Commissioners, which is very full of facts and details on this subject, that the average rate of interest paid by Great Britain during her war of eight years with the French Eepublic was £4 lis. per £100, a little less than five per cent. ; that during the year 1802 it was reduced to £4 4*. ; that during the war with the French Empire it was £4 15s. ; that from the end of the war until 1821 it was £4 5s., or four and one fourth per cent. ; and that the average rate during the whole period of the war was four and three fifths per cent., reduced to a specie standard ; and yet we have paid, uniformly, six per 106 SPEECHES AND REPORTS OF JOHN SHERMAN. cent, in gold, while we receive paper for our bonds. At orie time dur- ing the war we paid at the rate of thirteen or fourteen per cent, on money, counting the difference between gold and paper. Such a thing as that would exhaust any country except ours. We are able to bor- row and get it from the people ; but it is plain that at the very earliest moment we must go back to something lite a reasonable rate of inter- est. We must not tear from our people the results of their labor and pay it for purposes of this land when there is no necessity. I take it, therefore, as an axiom with which to set out, that we ought to reduce the rate of interest. I expect to live to see the time when the rate of interest in this country will not be over three or four per cent., and now we propose to reduce it on new loans to five per cent. There are one or two collateral views that Senators mght reflect upon with great propriety. First, there is the influence of these high rates of interest on the industry of our country. I have a letter here, which probably presents this point as clearly as I can, from a very in- telligent citizen of New York. I wiU read a short extract. He speaks of the efi'ect of the high rates paid by the Government in the city of New York. He says : A powerful cause whicli exposes the poor and persons of limited means to such high rents is found in the rates of interest established by national and State laws, and the increased value given to money by such legislation. During the rebellion the Government offered a higher rate of interest than the laws of New York and the seaboard States generally had established as legal ; hence investments in United States securities now realize more than two per cent, over bonds and mortgages in New York. Capitalists have therefore been withdrawing money from real estate loans to invest them at higher rates in Governments. This policy aifects scores of millions of capital. It has a direct tendency to limit and retard building and dis- courage all State developments. It has entirely unsettled the whole system of the demand and supply of money for private enterprises. Every day an unprecedented number of houses and lots are thrown on the market, either from the inability of the borrower to pay off his mortgages or debts in any other way, or from the im- perative necessity of raising money to prosecute old Ijusiness or start new. These enforced real estate sales benefit the capitalists alone, who in return demand at least fifteen per cent, on their new property ; and those who are obliged to rent are thus held at their mercy. Before the war capitalists and corporations were ready to loan from fifty to seventy per cent, on real estate securities. With from two to five thousand dollars on hand, a man could buy and build with a certain reliance on a loan, while his fu- ture earnings, with the gradual advance of property, would ultimately give him a clear title to a home for himself. In this way many thousands of good dwellings were constructed in New York ; but the arrest of this system has put our popula- tion into the hands of the landlords, and they will hold the power tUl the system is clianged. If the poor became rich they would do the same. The effect of these high rates paid by the Government is not only to absorb the floating capital of the country, but to deter men from en- gaging in enterprise ; and therefore all over cities of the United States it 18 a common remark, " It is impossible to get houses." In the "West the cry is distressing. In all the cities it is impossible to get a house at a fair rent. The rent absorbs all a man's little earnings. The re- sult is, the people are crowded into tonenieuts, half a dozen families in a house — in Kew York, in some cases, two or three families in a room ; and all this grows out of the advance in rents, together with tlie high FUNDING THE NATIONAL DEBT. 107 prices of the necessaries of life. By paying this high rate of interest we compete with every industry : with the railroad companies in the sale of their bonds ; with the manufacturers in the building of new warehouses ; with all classes by offering a higher rate of interest than we allow the courts to enforce for them. During the war that was necessary ; we could not avoid it ; but it is not necessary now. The leading objects of this bill are to fund the public debt and to reduce the interest ; but there is another object proposed by it which I think is peculiarly an American one, and upon which I ought to say something before I proceed to ^ examine the details of the bill; and that is the providing of a method of payment of the debt by apply- ing a specific sum every year to the cancellation of bonds under laws to be hereafter framed. The origiaal funding act framed by Alexan- der Hamilton was based upon the idea that a public debt should be temporary, and this idea is ingrafted upon American finance. In view of this, ia the first loan law of 1862, if I remember aright, we provided that one per cent, of the amount of the loan should be set aside as a sinking fund with a view to pay off the principal of the debt. That pledge has never been redeemed, nor during war was it possible or proper to redeem it. A sinking fund can properly be ac- cumulated only during peace. It would be bad economy to take a portion of the money borrowed at high rates of interest dui'ing war and invest it in securities purchased in the market, and then lay them aside and accumulate the interest for the purpose of paying off a debt dur- ing peace. Great Britain tried that for nearly one hundred years, and finally abandoned it. The old form of a sinking fund, which was the favorite theory of Robert Walpole and William Pitt, was abandoned, then resumed, and finally abandoned in 1819. I have an interesting book here, the preface of which was written by the celebrated Mr. McCuUoch, in which he speaks of the abandonment by Great Britain and by all other nations of the old form of a sinkiag fund. I will read an extract from it : Neither must it be supposed tliat the notion of the wonder-working effects of sinking funds has been a mere harmless error. On the contrary, few delusions have been practically so mischievous. Dr. Hamilton, of Aberdeen, has the merit of having dissipated the delusion in regard to the sinking fund. ... He showed that, instead of reducing, the sinking fund had increased the debt. And he proved to demonstration that the excess of revenue over expenditure is the only fund by which any portion of the public debt can ever be discharged. But since Dr. Hamilton's work appeared, more correct s»ccounts have been ob- tained of the expenditures, loans, etc., during the great struggle terminated in 181S ; and from these it may be easily shown that the sinking fund was not a clumsy only, but a costly, imposture. In proof of this we beg to state that the loans contracted in each year from 1794 to 1816, both inclusive, amounted in all to £584,874,657, at an annual charge to the public of £30,174,364. Of these loans the Commissioners of the Sinking Fund received £188,522,350, the proportional annual charge on such portion being, of course, £9,726,090. But it further appears from the accounts referred to, that the stock which the Commissioners purchased with this sum of £188,522,350, transferred to them out of the loans, only yielded an annual dividend of £9,168,232. On the one hand, therefore, an annual charge of £9,726,090 was incurred, to enable the Sinking Fund Commissioners to go to market; and, on the other, they bought stock which yielded £9,168,232 a year: 108 SPEECHES AND EEPORTS OF JOHN SHEEMAN. so that, on the whole, their operations during the war occasioned a direct dead loss to the oouptry of no less than £557,857 a year, equivalent to a three per cent, capital of £18,696,283, exclusive of the expenses of the office, which amounted to above £60,000. Such was the practical result of Mr. Pitt's famous sinking fund, so long regarded as the palladium of public credit, and the sheet-anchor of the nation ! Notwithstanding Dr. Hamilton's book was published, as already stated, in 1813, the statute for the suppression of the sinking fund, 10 George IV., c. 27, was not passed tilH829. It enacted that in time to come the sum to be applied to the re- duction of the national debt should be the actual annual surplus of revenue over expenditure. The old form of sinking fund adopted in England, and also in this country, was to invest through certain persons named in the law specific funds, and authorize them with those funds to buy any por- tion of the public debt. That plan of accumulating a sinking fund has been abandoned, and now, as this author says, the only proper way is to apply a iixed sum raised by taxes and from surplus revenue to the payment of the public debt. Instead of endeavoring to keep the debt alive by sinking fund commissioners, the application of a specific sum to the payment of the principal and interest of the debt every year would have the same effect in extinguishing the public debt as if invested by sinking fund commissioners, and without the loss and ex- pense of management. I have thus stated, I fear with too much detail, that any plan should embrace these ideas : the funding of the debt, the reduction of interest, and the ultimate payment of principal. And here a difference of opin- ion has arisen whether this plan should be prescribed by Congress or whether it should be left mainly to the Secretary of the Treasury. I objected to the law passed here a month or two ago, and I stiU think I was right. My objection did not arise from any want of confidence in the Secretary, for I know the present Secretary will not abuse this trust. But it grew out of what I considered the right of the people to know precisely the terms of the loan. That bill authorized the Secretary to sell a bond, principal and interest payable in gold, running not to exceed forty years, and bearing an interest not to exceed six per cent., to be free from State and local tax, and which he might sell under par. Xow, I did not wish to admit for a moment, in the form of a law, the possi- bility of any Secretary selhng such a bond even at par, and certainly not under par. It was a cheapening of the public credit to provide for such a loan. And without renewing the controversy, I ask, is it not bet- ter in legislating on this important question, involving ii3,00(),00(>,()00, to put in the form of law and on the face of the statiite the terms and conditions upon which our public agents shall sell om- bonds i It seems so to me, and therefore, if this bill contained no new provisions, I should think it highly important that the terms finally agreed upon and fixed by tlie Secretary of the Treasury, after full consideration, should be embraced in the form of law so as to be binding upon him and his suc- cessors, and so that no change should be made" without the consent of Congress. I do not propose, however, nor do I ask, the repeal of that law ; but I think that when a pliin of funding is agreed upon, it should assume the form of law, leaving, however, the general provisions M-hich FUNDING THE NATIONAL DEBT. 109 passed a short time ago to stand to meet emergencies and exigencies now unforeseen. The further question which I now desire to submit to the Senate is, whether this bill presents a plan by which these objects can be ac- complished. • If it were left to my own hopeful view of things, I would strike out two or three clauses. I would not extend the exemption of the bonds from taxation to the income tax. I would preserve the form of our laws in regard to the convertibility clause, vesting the power in the United States to pay off this debt after a certain time, say ten years. I would insert a proviso which was in the old law of 1T95, authorizing the United States to pay off the principal. But the Secretary of the Treasury, who is to execute this law, is of opinion that he can not nego- tiate a nve per cent, loan upon these terms, and therefore he would not undertake it. He has the power under the general law we have passed to negotiate a loan at six per cent., or one at a less rate, but he thought he could not negotiate a five per cent, loan without additional legisla- tion. I am not sure of that. I believe that if you pass a bill of this kind fixing the rate of interest at five per cent., with the general stipu- lations contained in this bill, we shall be able, though perhaps with some difficulty and after some time, to save the one per cent, without giving any additional benefits. He thought not, however. The question now is, not whether we shall give him this law, but whether we shall compel him to issue a six per cent, rather than a five per cent, loan, unless we give him the terms and privileges contained in this bill. If I was called upon to prescribe the form, being probably a more hopeful man than he or many of those around me, i would insist that the Government of the United States should not pay in any event over five per cent, interest, and that a clean loan should be negotiated for that amount ; and that it should be something like the ten-forty loan, within easy conversion, so that, if in ten years we could negotiate a loan at ajess rate of interest, we might have power to do it. But he thought that in order to enable him to negotiate a five per cent, loan he must have two provisions ; one giving him authority to issue a thirty-year loan, to postpone tlje payment of the principal not to exceed thirty years ; and the other to exempt these securities from the income tax of the United States. Those were the two conditions upon which he thought he could negotiate a five per cent. loan. "When I came to examine them, I found that these two conditions could amount to but very little loss. The income tax levied by the United States now upon national securities pays to us less than one tenth of one per cent, of 'the public debt. By the terms of the tax law the holders of these bonds are compelled to pay income tax as upon other property ; but all the bonds that are held by persons whose aggregate income is less than $600 go free of tax ; all the bonds that are held abroad are free of tax ; all the bonds that are held by banks, insurance companies, and corporations are held free from this income tax. No corporation pays an inconie tax ; the income tax is levied only upon individuals. The result is that the bonds of the United States, you may say the great mass of them, are held in such a way that they pay no income tax. no SPEECHES AND EEP0RT8 OF JOHN SHERMAN. The Secretary says : " If you will surrender the trifling amount you collect from incomes derived from Government securities, I may be enabled to save you one sixth of all the interest paid upon the public debt." When that proposition was made, it seemed to me that we ought to adopt it. There is another reason for its adoption. The in- come tax is, in its nature, temporary. There is scarcely a doubt but what that tax will disappear, like many of the other taxes, in a short period of time. The time, in my judgment, is- not far distant when a tax on a few articles of luxury will pay the interest on the public debt and pay our expenses. I have no doubt we shall go through the same process of legislation that our ancestors did after the war of the Eevolution, and as those who went before us did after the war of 1812. All these taxes will disappear in a short time, and perhaps a tax on whisky and tobacco and on imported goods, a few simple taxes, may be able to pay the interest on the public debt and the expenses of the Government. Therefore the only question is whether we should sur- render this small matter in order to accomplish a great object. It seems to me we ought to do it. If the Secretary of the Treasury can nego- tiate this loan by surrendering this small income tax, and thus effect a saving of interest equivalent to twenty per cent, of all the interest paid by the United States, it is certainly a very good bargain, and it does not require a very shrewd man to see it. The other provision was that there ought to be a fixed period before which the principal should not be paid. That was a point upon which I myself long hesitated; and I agreed to it for the reason that but a very small portion of the public debt can be converted now into a five per cent, loan, because but a small portion of it is due. The hold- ers of the seven-thirties will avail themselves of the privilege to con- vert them into five-twenties. There is not very much pressing upon the Secretary of the Treasury, but whatever it is, he must pay it, and he must issue a loan of some form ; and the only question is whether it shall be a five or a six per cent. If you do not pass this bill, he is compelled to issue a six per cent, loan because he can not negotiate any other. He says he can not, and that is the general judgment. It is the general judgment of gentlemen who oppose this bill that he can not negotiate a five per cent, loan of any kind even with this bill, and therefore that he will be compelled to issue a six per cent. The very fact that he is not compelled to borrow a large sum of money enables him to go into the market now like a rich man who has a boundless inheritance, a large estate, on which he wants to borrow a very small sum of money ; he can get it on good terms, but he savs he can not get it unless the payment of the principal is postponed for twenty or thirty years. Suppose he does issue two hundred million or five hundred million five per cent, bonds under this bill ; the objec- tion is that we may want to pay o£E the principal sooner. Surely we would pay oil the six per cent, bonds first, and we cannot expect to "3ay off all this enormous debt within thirty yeai-s. All the bonds that le could ])r(»I)ably issue within a year or two would fall very far short of the amount tliat would still remain unpaid under the most favorable circumstances in thirty j'cara from this time. Next year, after he has f 111 FUNDING THE NATIONAL DEBT. HI established a five per cent, loan under this bill, it may be that he can ffo into the market and get a better loan still, a better bond, on more favorable terms, and thus reduce the rate of interest on the balance of the debt as it matures. I have no doubt he can do it. I now come to consider an objection to this bill made with a good deal of force, especially by my Democratic friends, that the loans of the United States are exempt from State taxation. Although this is a ven^ important question, it has never been discussed in the Senate ; and I thiuk that unless Senators have been required to examine the deci- sions of the courts of the United States, they probably have not seen how far the courts have gone in settling it. I lay it down as a premise that, in the absence of all stipulations about taxation in a law, no State can tax a Government security ; it is entirely inconsistent with the supreme power of the National Government to borrow money. This question is settled more clearly than almost any question of constitu- tional law which has ever been mooted in this Government. The first case involving it that came before the Supreme Court of the United States was the celebrated case of McCulloch vs. The State of Mary- land, in which the principle was decided that no tax could be levied by a State upon any agent employed by the National Government in the execution of its vested powers. That case, however, did not reach the particular point that I am now discussing ; but subsequently the case of Weston vs. The Qity Council of Chaneston arose in 1829, and is reported in 2 Peters, page 449, and upon the very point now in discus- sion. Chief Justice Marshall was still upon the bench, the same judge who had decided the case of McCulloch vs. The State of Maryland. The city of Charleston, under the authority of a law of- the State of South Carolina, levied a tax upon bonds of the United States held by a citizen of Charleston. The question was submitted to the Supreme Court of the State of South Carolina, and it was decided there' by a majority that the State had a right to tax a Government security or the income derived from it. A dissenting opinion was given by one of the judges of that court which is highly creditable to him, and I think presents the case very clearly. I will read a short extract from that opinion before I read anything from the decision of Chief Justice Mar- shall. This case arose at the beginning of the nullification crusade, and the very principles subsequently involved in the contest through which we have recently passed were then under discussion in South Carolina. Judge Huger, in giving his dissenting opinion, said : I am imwiUing, on so important a question, merely to express my dissent from the judgment of the court. It is now for the first time agitated, and ought to be fully discussed, that it might be better understood. It affects the use of a power, as essential to the General Government in periods of difficulty and danger, as any other which the people have delegated to it. If the City Council of Charleston can tax the stock of the United States, eo nomine, the States can ; and if the States can, it is impossible- not to perceive4hat the fiscal operations of the General Gov- ernment may be completely frustrated by the States. It will be in vain for Con- gress to pass acts authorizing the Secretary of the Treasury to borrow money, if the holders of their stock can be taxed for having done so by the States. Congress may offer ten per cent, for loans, but who will lend, if the States can appropriate the whole to their own use ? 112 SPEECHES AND REPORTS OF JOHN SHERMAN. He then proceeds to show that the power to tax at all involves the power in the States to nullify by taxation the power of the National ■ Grovernment to borrow money, and says : No Government, not revolutionary, has ever attempted to tax its own stock, nnd, among others, ior two very satisfactory reasons : 1. Because such a tax must necessarily operate injuriously upon all future loans; and 2. Because there is in fact a violation of contract in so doing, and therefor^ immoral and impolitic. Under the influence of these reasons, the Legislature of this State has refused to tax the stock of the United States ; but it appears that the City Council of Charles- ton have thought differently, and have taxed it. ... ' If they can do so at all, they may do so to any extent ; it is equally within their power to tax twenty per cent, or one hundred per cent, as one half per cent. What shall govern their "discretion it is impossible to foresee. A State or a few States may concur in a policy at variance with that of the Government, nay, in hostility to it. This, unfortunately, has been already witnessed. He prophesies the very case that occurred a few years afterward in that State : They may, indeed, be indisposed to dissolve the Union and declare war, when they might have no objection to counteract Congress, and control its measures by the exercise of a power strictly constitutional. Seven tenths of the stocks of the United States are owned in the cities of Boston, New York, Pliiladelphia, Balti- more, and Charleston. And then he proceeds to discuss the power of cities and States to tax the Government stock, and shows that, if it were conceded, the single State of New York might have it in its power to destroy the Government of the United States by preventing it from borrowing money. The case was brought up to the Supreme Court of the United States, where it was elaborately discussed by Mr. Hayne and Mr. Legar6, then among the ablest counsel in the country. I will read from the decision of Chief Justice Marshall : This brings us to the main question. Is the stock issued for loans made to the Government of the United States liable to be taxed by States and corporations? Congress has power "to borrow money on the credit of the United States." The stock it issues is the evidence of a debt ci-eated by the exercise of this power. The tax in question is a tax upon the contract subsisting between the Government and the individual. It bears directly upon that contract while subsisting and in full force. The power operates upon the contract the instant it is framed, and must imply a right to affect that contract. If the States and corporations throughout the Union possess the power to tax a contract for the loan of money, what shall arrest this principle in its application to every other contract? Wliat measure can Government adopt wliioh will not be exposed to its influence? But it is unnecessary to pursue this principle through its diversified a[)plication to nil the contracts and to the varions operations of Govern- ment. No one can be selected which is of more vital interest to tho community than this of borrowing money on the credit of the United Stntos. No power has been conlurrcd by the American people on their Government, the free and unbur- dened exercise ol' which more deeply iifTects every member of our republic. In war, when the honor, the safety, the independeni'o of the nation are to be de- fended, wlion all its resources nro to be sti'iiiiieci to the utmost, credit must be brought in aid ol' taxation, and the abundant revenue of pence and prosperity must be anticipated to supply the exigences, the urgent demands of the moment. FUNDING THE NATIONAL DEBT. 113 Then he goes on to discuss the question at great length, and conies to the conclusion, in which the Court was unanimous, that in the ab- sence of all stipulation on the subject no State could be allowed to tax a Government security, simply because to do so would enable the States to destroy the power of the Kational Government, to prevent it from prosecuting war, and from maintaining the authority of the United States. This principle has never been controverted and never been doubted by any judge on the bench of the Supreme Court of the United States. It has been acquiesced in by every judge who has sat upon that bench. It has never since been controverted by any State of the Union. It has never been attempted by any party in the Union to set aside that decision. This exemption is so clear a principle of constitutional law, in my judgment, that it cannot be assailed or gain- said. The same question was again brought before the Supreme Court of the United States in a case from the State of Pennsylvania, when Chief Justice Taney sat upon the bench — the case of Dobbins vs. The Commissioners of Erie County. The Court reaffirmed the principle, referring to this case, repeating it, and applying this doctrine to a tax levied by the State of Pennsylvania on a Government officer. Again the question was brought before the Supreme Court of the United States during the recent war, in a case reported in 2 Black — ^the case of The Bank of Commerce vs. The Tax Commissioners of New York city, where the opinion was given by Mr. Justice Nelson. The ques- tion arose there as to the power of the State of ISTew Tork to tax Gov- ernment securities in the possession of the Bank of Commerce, a cor- poration of that State, and the Supreme Court unanimously decided that a tax could not be levied in any form, from the very nature of the case, on a Government security. It should be remembered, too, that up to the time of this last decision no provision had been contained in any loan law expressly declaring that the Government securities should be exempt from State and local taxation. It was decided upon the general principle involved, and without regard to any stipulation made by Congress. This last decision was in 1862, and it was that winter, for the first time, that we put in the stipulation in one of our loan laws. I might add, if it was necessary to add to these authprities, that the same question was up again during the last term, and again decided in the same way, in the case I now hold in my hand. This case was the taxation by the State of New York of the shares of a national bank ; and a majority of the Court drew a distinction between a tax upon a share in the bank and a tax upon a Government security ; and they also based their decision upon the express declaration of Congress that these shares should be taxed. The Chief Justice, however, and Judge "Wayne and Judge Swayne differed, and. held that from the nature of the security itself, in any form or shape, the Government security could not be taxed. The majority of the Court drew the dis- tinction between the shares in the bank and the bonds held by the bank, and allowed the shares to be taxed. In my judgment, such was the intent of Congress. It was a subject that was very much dis- cussed here at the time, and, although I was opposed to the tax, yet it 8 11-i SPEECHES AND EEPOETS OF JOHN SHERMAN. was finally carried. The distinction made by the Court was taken by Senators, that the taking of shares in a bank was a reinvestment of the funds and a change of the form of security. The question may be asked, Why put in this stipulation if the law was so clear ? The answer is just as conclusive, that, as we were com- pelled to borrow money, it was important to inform all who chose to loan it, in the most authentic manner, of their rights and privileges under the Constitution. No doubt many a man, upon the faith of the direct pledge of Congress, superadded to the decision of the Supreme Court, loaned us his money in time of war, when he would not have done it if it was to be subject to local taxation. I say, then, that no Senator should vote against this bill, or any bill of a similar character, on the idea that it is not now wise to ex- empt Government securities from State taxation. This is the settled principle of constitutional law, whether it is put in the laws or not ; and the only question is whether by omitting to put it in you will give the lenders the power to make a better bargain with you. I have no doubt that Congress may, as a part of the contract, and before the loan is issued, say that the States may tax the security. But, Mr. President, what effect would that have ? Could you sell such bonds ? "Would you allow the Southern States now to tax Gov- ernment securities ? Would you allow them to have the power over your public credit which would be involved in their power to destroy the income from Government securities ?— because, as Judge Huger says in the first decision made, if you give them the power to tax one mill you cannot restrain it. No, sir, the contract between the United States and all the citizens of the world is a contract higher than any imposition levied by a State ; and we ought no more to tolerate the idea of levying a tax upon the securities of the United States, except by the United States itself, than Great Britain would allow any for- eign Power to levy in Great Britain a tax on British securities. It must be remembered that, by express provision inserted in all the acts passed daring the recent war, United States bonds are exempt from Stg,te taxation. All the debt now outstanding is exempt. Even the bonds issued under the recent acts will be so exempt. Suppose you refuse in this bill to so exempt a bond bearing but five per cent, interest, or actually provide that they shall be taxable. Who would buy them ? Who would surrender their present securities i How could you fund your debt ? No device could be more perfect to con- tinue the present high rates of interest. And what good would result to State or nation? None whatever. The State could not tax the present bonds, and the holders would not take your new ones. The only way is to stand by the inviolability of the bonds as declnvcd by the Supreme Court and upheld by every party or president to this time. I now wish to meet the argument so often and forcibly made, that it is unjust to exempt United States securities from local taxes. And, sir, I admit tliat if this in regarded as a privilego to the holder it is indefensible ; but it is the ]irivilego of the Government, not of the fund-holder. It is the supreme power of the whole people to borrow money on the most fa\'orablc terms that is taxed and limited by a tax FUNDING THE NATIONAL DEBT. 115 in the contract. Such an exemption is only justifiable on the ground that it enables the Government to borrow money on better terms. In the contract of borrowing the lender considers the rate of interest, the security of the principal, and the burdens of taxation. If no taxes are to be deducted from his interest, and the principal is. absolutely sure and easily convertible into money, he is willing to part with his money at a low rate of interest. This is the reason of the exemption, and the Government is presumed to receive the taxes in the more favorable terms of the loan. But, sir, when the tax-payer sees that the Government is paying a higher rate of interest than the law allows to a citizen, the exemption wul be felt to be wrong. "With the present rate of interest there will be a constantly growing jealousy between the bond-holder and tax- payer. The latter will complain that his property is burdened with all the expense of Government while his neighbor enjoys his full income free from all burdens. This feeling is founded upon so clear a sense of what is right that no wise legislator will disregard it. It is true that a contract once made can not be violated, whether it costs much or lit- tle ; public faith demands an exact and specific performance ; but an adjustment of this difficult problem ought to be made that will, while it preserves intact the rightful power of the Government to borrow money free from local taxes, require property in the funds to aid in the support of the Government. I have shown that this can not be done with safety to the United States by allowing States to tax our securities. Two other modes have been suggested : first, to tax direct- ly by act of Congress the public securities at a rate equal to local taxa- tion ; and secondly, to reduce the rate of interest. A proposition has been made by Mr. Hayes, one of our Tax Com- missioners, to levy a direct tax on all United States bonds held in this country of one per cent, on the principal of the bond, or to reserve one sixth of the interest payable on a six per cent. bond. Such a tax ap- plied to our present securities would be a breach of public f^ith. Congress may have the power to do it, using the word power in its un- restricted sense ; but it would be unjust, a fraud upon our creditors, and would forever impair our public credit. It is an indirect violation of a contract made in good faith. It is true the United States did not stipulate that it would not tax the bonds, and the United States may properly levy an income tax upon public securities of any amount, as it may upon other incomes ; but, when the United States selects this particular kind of property as the only kind of property upon which it will levy a specific tax, it is a violation of public faith. To levy the same tax on this kind of property that you levy upon other property would not be unjust ; but to select it out and put upon it exclusively an income tax of sixteen and two thirds per cent., in order to defeat m this way the stipulated exemption from State taxation, would be a vio- lation of the public faith. This question of taxing Government securities is far from being a novel one. It has been resorted to in arbitrary governments many times. In France in the time of Louis XIV. and Louis XV., and especially during the regency that intervened, forced taxes on public 116 SPEECHES AND REPORTS OF JOHN SHERMAN. funds were resorted to, until the credit of that country was entirely destroyed. It was proposed in England in 171Y, but was firmly re- sisted. I have here a paper attributed to the celebrated Henley, Earl of Oxford, written in that year, on the inviolable nature of public securities, and the arguments have not lost their force by time. He says : Your project of raising money for this year's service, or of paying debts by taxing or lowering the interest of the funds, meets, I think, with too much appro- bation among some people who look no further than themselves and consider only the present diftioulty, regardless of the consequences of their proceedings. The importance of the case seems to require that everybody should contribute what they can to set this matter in a true light, and examine without prejudice how much the interest of our country, its reputation and honor, its future good or evil, may be affected by it. ... I can not but think that conscience is concerned, and natural honesty and public justice and the credit of the nation — everything that is sacred and inviolable in property is nearly affected ; all obligations will be in a way of being canceled, and, in a word, an indelible character of injustice cast upon us. . . . To support and maintain a man's private credit, it is absolutely necessary that the world have a fixed opinion of the honesty and integrity as well as ability of a person. If there be good reason to object against the one or the other of these, his credit sinks ; no one chooses to deal with Mm, nor does any one care to trust him. ... This true, this only foundation of credit takes in all cases and all persons, public as well as private, national as well as personal. Just and honorable practices, fair and open dealings, a strict performance of contracts, a steady observance of engage- ments, will necessarily gain credit everywhere ; and common experience teaches us that a breach in these as necessarily destroys it. . . . And, indeed, a readiness and willingness to perform one's engagements is such a fundamental of credit that all the affluence of money and the most immense riches are of no consequence if there be ground for the least suspicion of disingenuity. The ability of a person without natural justice rather makes a man cautious than forward to deal with him. If, therefore, the legislature of any country should decline standing to its con- tracts or endeavor to impose other conditions than what at first were stipulated, I ask, would not such a conduct as necessarily impair the pnblic credit as it would the credit of a private person ? Has it not the same tendency to make the lenders jealous of their security ? Who will venture to lend the public a second time if ever they find themselves not treated according to their contract? May there never be emergencies which may again oblige the public to borrow money? And if such case should happen, upon what foundation must they proceed if an instance can be produced, an act of the legislature which can never be forgot nor ever be repaired, to show that legal security is not a security, and that engagements are not to be understood literally? What is the natural consequence of this but that no man will lend the Government for the future, but at such interest and such ad- vancements as are fuU equivalents to the hazards people may run in lending i The whole of this very able paper has a close application to the questions before us, and would well repay the reading ; and the remedy he proposes is the one I propose. He says : If the lender be left at his liberty to receive his money or lot it lie at lower interest (in case where funds are redeemable), no cause can be given of complaint. No injury is done, no hardship is offered. Tlie integrity and honesty of the bor- rower is ovidunt, and orodit is in(lis]nitiible. But if the borrower bo his own judge and his own cause, and flies to on ai't of power because he can do it, it as necessa- rily sinks liis credit as it takes away its foundntiou. And, Hir, this brings mo to the plniu and just remedy for nil com- plaints of unequal taxation. Let us, in strict accordance M'ith our en- FUNDING THE NATIONAL DEBT. 117 gagements, sell our improved credit. Let us go into the market, and, with our resources fully shown, our honor unimpaired, our securities free from aU burdens, sell our bonds on the most favorable terms ; and thus we shall receive in advance all the taxes we could levy upon our securities. We will soon get more than the one per cent, which Mr. Hayes proposes to levy. This policy, adopted in. England, has reduced the rate of interest on public securities from six to three per cent., and has made the British consol the highest standard of credit in the civil- ized world. Fortunately, our loans are now just in a condition when we can commence this reduction of interest. I showed awhile ago that we had $1T'7,000,000 of public debt within our reach now, and if it was known that no other but a five per cent, loan could be had, and that aU matur- ing bonds were to be paid off in money by the sale of five per cent, bonds, pubKc creditors would quickly convert their securities into such a loan. Large institutions, among them one of the largest in the State of New York, have made a proposition to convert their five-twenty bonds, maturing in May next, into this five per cent. loan. If I had my own way, I would not give them a thirty-year five per cent, boaad ; I would give a ten-forty five per cent, bond, retaining the principle of redeemableness, with a view to still lower interest ; but the Secretary thinks he can not now negotiate such a loan as that, and therefore, for the present, I would give those the most ready to adopt the reduction policy the most favorable form of loan, but as soon as possible would reserve the power to reduce the rate of interest by the payment of the principal as soon as a bond without these exemptions, or at a lower rate of interest, would seU at par. This process must be gradual. It will not do for Senators to vote against this bill because they think five per cent, free of taxes is .too hi^. We must get it down first to five per cent., then to four, and then to three, all the while faithfully observing our contracts ; and we can do it. It is not probable, if this bill passes, that during the present year more than $100,000,000 of five per cents will be sold, because more than that would not be needed to meet the accruing indebtedness, unless it should be necessary to sell more to pay bounties to soldiers or some extraordinary expenditure. Next year the Secretary would have the power to pay off f600,000,000 of the five-twenties if he could sell these five per cent, bonds. But it is important to pass the law this session in order to give him ample time to meet the obligations that are imposed upon him. I say, therefore, that in every view which I can take of this bill it is a wise -measure, intended to save interest upon the public debt, to adjust on correct principles equality of taxation, and to lighten the enormous burdens upon our people. And there is another feature which commends it to my favor. If this bill passes in the form in which it now stands, the fund-holders will themselves pay off the prin- cipal of the public debt. The one per cent, saved on the rate of in- terest will pay off every dollar of this debt in thirty-six years. When this matter is dragged into politics, as it will be, and the tax-payer says to the fund-holder " Your property is exempt and free from all tax," 118 SPEECHES AND EEPOETS OF JOHN SHEPvMAN. the fund-liolder may say, "No, my friend, it is not. Your money you can loan to your neighbor at six per cent, interest, and the law enables you to collect the principal at pleasure ; I have already paid for this privilege by deducting one sixth of my income ; I have surrendered the principal sum loaned by me for an annuity for thirty-six years, and my share of the taxes will pay off every dollar of the debt within one generation." He may refer to the report of Mr. Hayes showing that uie average tax in the United States is one per cent., and that sum, an- nually applied with the consent of the fund-holder, and paid by him alone, would pay the debt. I accept the justice of the principle. I say that we can not go before the people and preserve the exemption from local tax unless we show that the United States will get some benefit from it ; and by surrendering this one per cent, the fund-holders wiU be stronger and more secure than they were before. They will feel safer in the payment of the principal ; they will know that the one per cent, thus saved is laid aside under the operations of this law and applied to the payment of the principal of the public debt ; that it will pay off the principal of that debt in due time and without any danger of the misapplication of the fund, for it will be applied each year, thus adding to the value of the remaining funds. The passage of this bill is now an imperative necessity. It is not my bill ; it is not my idea. I think it is too favorable to the fund- holders. I think that a ten-forty five per cent, loan might be put upon the market at par ; but the Secretary of the Treasury says that, without the two stipulations to which I have referred, he does not .think that he can, to use the ordinary language of the day, float a five per cent. loan. I am therefore willing to give these stipulations to hmi, hoping that next winter we can repeal the clause exempting the bonds from income tax, and then let him issue a clear five per cent. loan. I do not think he will be able to issue over a hundred millions Before that time. Per- haps next winter we may shorten the period during which the piincipal may be redeemable ; and perhaps in a few years, if our country goes on prospering as it is now prospering, we may reduce the rate of in- terest as England has done, first one half per cent., then another half, keeping the body of the bonds always within our reach. The position of our public debt is just in that condition now, under the established policy of those who have regulated our finances, that it is within our reach, so that we can soon fund the whole of the public debt and re- duce the rate of interest on all or nearly all of it. There is another collateral advantage Avhich will be derived from this bill. I refer to tlie provision in the fourth section. It wiU be re- membered that the holders of the seven-thirty notes have the right by the terms of the option printed on the back of those notes to convert them into five-twenty six per cent, bonds at maturity, or to demand the money. Two hundred and forty millions of these' notes come due in the month of August next year, and six hundred millions in the May following. Under the condition of the present laws, the Secre- tary of the Treasury will bo compelled to accumulate and hold in hand two hundred and forty millions in order to meet the possible option of the holders of the seven-thirties. FUNDING THE NATIONAL DEBT. 119 What would be the efEect ? The withdrawal of $240,000,000 of money from the circulation of the country, when it is now being re- duced under the operations of the recent law, would be disastrous. It would be withdrawing one half of the circulating medium in order to meet an obligation when every particle of that money is necessary for the use of the people. Section four of this bill provides that the holders of the seven-thirty notes shall give a reasonable notice of their choice to take either the money or the bonds. They have the right to make that choice, and nobody proposes to abridge that right. They have the right to do it at the time stated, and nobody proposes to de- prive them of it. What is proposed is simply to require them to give a reasonable notice of their choice of the alternative which they have, and that is put at six months. Some think that is too long and may complain of it. I do not think it is, for the large amount involved, it works no injury, because the bill provides that, in case they do not give their notice of the option, they get their money and the Secretary can provide for it. The probability is that the great mass of those notes will be converted into five-twenty bonds without cost ; and one effect of having a five per cent, loan upon the market would be to float this large, mass of indebtedness into the five-twenties as the holders have a right to do, while if you issue six per cent, bonds none of these holders wiU avail themselves of the option until the last moment, and then by demanding the money will greatly embarrass the Govemment. It has been said in some of the public prints that this provision is a violation of the contract. It is no more a violation of the contract than the notice which is required by law in the case of a tenancy from year to year. If I am renting a house for a year or more, I am bound to give notice of my intention to retain it. It is a power, substantially, that Governments have always exercised. Take the original converti- bility clause ; we did not repudiate that clause, but we provided that the right of conversion should be exercised before a given time. There was some complaint made in the New York papers that this was a vio- lation of the public faith, that we were repudiating our obligations ; but it was not general. There are several precedents for this provision ; but the most striking case was the one just alluded to, which was adopted after full debate and consideration. The United States notes originally issued, and still outstanding, had printed on the face of them, " The holder of this note may convert it into a bond bearing six per cent, interest in coin, and payable after five years and within twenty years." It was found that this privilege or option attached to the notes prevented the sale of the bonds, because no one would avail him- self of that option, having the right to do it at any time ; and there- fore we provided that he should exercise that option by the 1st of July following or he should cease to have it. I have now one of these notes. The privilege printed on the face of it does not now exist ; yet no one complains, as the right was not exercised at the time stated. It is a general principle of law that, wherever a party has a right to do or not to do a particular thing, a reasonable notice of his choice may be re- quired. That is a principle of municipal law as well as of public law. It is required by nations generally, and inserted in many treaties. 120 SPEECHES AND REPORTS OF JOHN SHERMAN". And now, Mr. President, I have thus, without any preparation ex- cept the few figures and papers before me, presented the reasons for my earnest support of this bill. This is like most financial questions, which attract but little attention though they deeply afEect the nearest interest of every citizen, his food, his clothing, his home, and, more important than all else, the honor of his country. Our attention has been so occupied with political questions affecting more keenly the in- terests of parties and partisans, that all the complicated problems of finance thrust upon us by the war have not occupied as much of the time of this Senate as some unimportant political measures. I alnjost owe you an apology for occupying your time so long, but I trust in a short time the waves of the recent war will settle in peace and quiet, and that all of us will look to the material interests of a great country, all of which are in our hands. I am so hopeful of the future, after escaping all the perils of the past, that I may not see the clouds that others see. War is apt to be followed by financial distress, and we may be affected by the impending war in Europe. Our bonds now held abroad may, and no doubt will, come back to us, and for a time will depress our securities. But war in Europe will open to us new mar- kets. It will restore our commerce. We can well afford to redeem our bonds with the superabundant produce of the West. Our cotton crop will yield us exchange enough to absorb all the securities held abroad. Who can say that after the first panic the timidity of money may not cause it to flee from war in Europe and seek safety in our nar tional securities ? Sir, what we need now is confidence in ourselves, in our resources, and in our destiny. Our country has been for years the refuge of the laboring man, where he has found employment, independence, and free- dom. It will soon be the refuge of capital. It may become the place of deposit of the wealth of the world. Why should it not be ? We as a nation have always observed our obligations. We have twice paid off a national debt. We have unexampled resources in men, in land, in iron, gold, coal, and in all the elements of wealth. Why, then, should we talk about taxing our national debt ? Why place it in the power of every village corporation to affect our national cj-edit ? Why enter the money market offering usurious interest ? Why pay now more than any good merchant in New York will pay ? Wliy traffic our loans, a mortgage on all our industry, on worse terms than bankrupt nations of Europe offer ? Go, backed by your resources, your unclouded and un- disputed empire, the love and faith of your people, the respect of all nations — ^go, I say, with all these, and with confidence in youreelves, to the people, who hold your bonds, and you will be able to borrow money at five per cent., yea, before long, at four per cent. Go not to the money-changers. If _ they are allowed to fix the rate of your inter- est, they will continue it as it is witli all its exemptions, until the people, fired at an injustice, Avill do wrong to Correct it. I conclude as i commenced, that to compel tlio Sc-crL'tury of the Treasury, by de- nying him this legislation, to issue more six "per cent, bonds is a politi- cal crimu. THE TAEIFF. 121 THE TAEIFF. IN TEE SENATE, JANUARY 23, 1867. The Senate having under consideration the bill to provide increased revenue from imports, Mr. Sherman said : Mr. President : Before the vote is taken on tlie amendment of the Senator from Ehode Island, I think it. right that I should state the gen- eral views which have controlled my action as a member of the Com- mittee on Finance, and which will control my vote on this and the various propositions of amendment that will be submitted to the Senate. I listened yesterday with great pleasure to the speech of my honor- able friend from New Jersey [Mr. Cattell], and was generally pleased with its tenor and scope. It sounded like a good old-fashioned Whig protective speech — the school in which I was educated, the faith in which I was taught, and in which I yet have confidence. But, sir, it seems to me that the Senator from iNew Jersey, in his zeal for protec- tion, forgets that we are now legislating under peculiar circumstances, and are compelled to look at a state of facts far different from those that existed before the recent war. In considering so complicated a subject as a tariff, nothing can be more deceptive than the application of such general phrases as a " pro- tective tariff," a "revenue tariff," a "free-trade tariff." Every law imposing a duty on imported goods is necessarily a restraint on trade. It imposes a burden upon the purchase and sale of imported goods and tends to prevent their importation. The expression a " free-trade tariff " involves an absurdity. Free trade implies a trade without re- striction, while any tariff is a restriction on trade. A duty of ten per cent, is a limitation on trade as well as a duty of one hundred per cent., and they differ only in degree. So the phrase a " protective tariff " may be Jipplied to every bill imposing duties on imported goods. The first tariff act, passed soon after the formation of the Constitu- tion, was called a "protective tariff." One of its leading objects, as declared by Washington, was to foster and protect American manufac- tures, and yet the general rate of duties was but ten per cent, ad valorem. On the other hand, the tariff of 1846 is commonly known as a "free- trade tariff," and yet the rate of duty levied by it averaged twenty-four and a haK per cent. Every duty on imported merchandise gives to the domestic manufacturer an advantage equal to the duty, and to that extent every tariff is a protective tariff. When the duty is so high as to prevent importation it ceases to be a " tariff " and becomes a " com- mercial regulation." So the general term a " revenue tariff " as descrip- tive of a tariff is deceptive, and is simply tautology. Every tariff bill is a " revenue tariff." The word " tariff " implies revenue, and means a rate of taxation on imported goods. It is simply a mode of taxation adopted by all commercial nations as the most certain, convenient, and least expensive form of taxation. The common meaning attached to the phrase a " revenue tariff " is a general ad valorem tax on imported 122 SPEECHES AND EEP0ET8 OF JOHN SHERMAN. goods, without regard to domestic manufacture. Sucli a tariff has never existed in any commercial country, least of all in Great Britain, where the duties are carefully levied to encourage their own manufac- tui'es. They do not now levy duties on manufactures, for the same reason that we do not care to levy a duty on anthracite coal. By a vast accumulation of capital, and by severe commercial restrictions maintained for one' hundred years, they have a substantial monopoly of certain important branches of industry. They do not levy duties on such goods because none are imported into Great Britain, and the tariff on them would produce as little revenue as your duty on anthracite coal. These general phrases, if not always deceptive, are totally inappli- cable to any tariff law that any one would propose for the United States now. Free trade, if it means a mutual exchange of commodities with foreign nations without restrictions, is impossible. Our necessities compel us to tax every form of property or production. Every hour of domestic labor contributes some portion of its product to the wants of the nation. Under these circumstances it is the plainest principle of political economy that we should so frame our tariff laws as to pro- duce the largest possible income from imported goods. Revenue is the first, highest, and most pressing want, and it must be so levied as to do the least harm to our own mdustry. It is in the application of this obvious principle that all the difficulty in framing a tariff law exists. This can not be done by. applying any general rate or rule to all articles. We must discriminate between articles of luxury and articles of necessity ; between articles that may be produced in our country and articles mainly produced abroad ; between raw materials, necessary to domestic manufacture, and completed products of industry. The rate of duty must be modified by a multitude of circumstances as varied as human knowledge, and with details far more difficult than any subject of legislation. Nor can we consider the question now as we should have done be- fore the war. Then we had an opportunity to choose between imported articles ; we might have thrown off the duty upon necessities, such as coffee and tea and various articles, because such duties were not neces- sary for revenue nor useful for protection ; but now we are compelled to levy high duties upon everything, not only upon articles of absolute necessity, the duty upon which will undoubtedly add to the cost of the articles, but also upon all articles of American production, and even upon raw materials that are indispensable as the basis of our manufac- tui'cs. We cannot now regard the subject in tlie same light or from the same stand-point that we did in olden times when the tariff was the great controversy between parties in this country. We have now to consider it in the light of facts created by tlie war. The fii-st and obvious inquiry of every Senator in di^ussing the question is, how much is it necessary to raise by a tariff on importod goods 'i And here I may say that all the revenue tliat we are required to raise in gold must be raised l)y duties on imported goods. While we have a depre- ciated curroncv it would be idle to require domestic taxes to be paid in gold. It would be to legalize a paper currency and then to repudiate THE TARIFF. 123 it. In regard to imported goods the case is different. All imported goods are bought with gold ; all transactions in imported goods are based upon gold. Imported goods, the product of foreign countries, can be purchased only by the money known in the commerce of the world. Therefore, in imposing duties upon imported goods, it is no hardship to levy them in gold, for thus the whole cost of an article of that description, when it enters into consumption, represents so much in gold. But if an attempt were made to levy in gold our domestic taxes, it would be very difficult to collect them, for it would impose on our people a burden they could not bear. It is manifest- that we must raise all the gold we require for Government purposes by means of duties on imported goods. By the financial policy adopted during the war — it is not necessary for me now to discuss the propriety or expediency of that policy — we are required to raise a very large sum of money in gold. The ailnual interest upon the outstandmg gold bonds of the United States, accord- ing to a statement furnished me from the Treasury Department brought down to the 1st of January, 1867, is $82,048,531. By the terms of all the outstanding notes bearing interest in currency, except the compound-interest notes, they are convertible into gold bonds bearing six per cent, interest. That conversion must be made in about a year. "When those notes are converted the amount of annual inter- est that will be required of the Treasury of the United States will be $131,353,977.40. To this must be added the amount needed to pay the expenses of our foreign intercourse, and our other gold liabilities, partly growing out of treaties, which it is estimated wUl amount to $6,000,000 per annum. ^ The expenditures for foreign intercourse, which are disbursed in foreign countries principally, must necessarily be paid in gold, the currency of the world. When we have added enough for this item, it will be evident that the amount of gold required to carry on the operations of the Government for the present fiscal year wiU not be less than $140,000,000 in gold. In addition to this there are bonds which, by the policy of the Government, are to be paid in gold, and which will mature before the end of the next fiscal year, amounting to nearly sixteen million dollars, namely, on the 31st of December, 1867, $7,613,000, and on the 1st of July, 1868, $8,169,000. These must be paid in gold ; but probably they can be provided for out of the large amount of gold on hand, and need not be considered in this calculation. But at any rate it wiU be necessary to raise $140,000,000 in gold. It is therefore simply an absurdity to talk now about a free-trade tariff; and to talk about a protective tariff is unnecessary, because the wit of man could not possibly frame a tariff that would produce $140,- 000,000 in gold without amply protecting our domestic industry. To the extent that the duties are levied upon articles that may be pro- duced in this country the tariff operates as a protection. It is very clear that upon an ordinary year's importation the rate of duty that would have to be levied upon importations in order to produce $140,- 000,000 would not be much less than fifty per cent, ad valorem, even if we could prevent all undervaluation or smuggling. 124 SPEECHES AND EEPORTS OF JOHN SHERMAN. I assume, then, Mr. President, that the necessary object of this bill is to produce $140,000,000 in gold, and that we may properly leave the question of protection to be settled as a matter of detail, with the certamty that any tariff which will yield the necessary revenue will sufficiently protect American industry. The degree of protection on different articles can only be determined by a careful inquiry into a multitude of details, while the paramount object — ^to raise revenue to the amount of $140,000,000 in gold — must always be kept in view. It is sometimes said that, as this is the great object, it is not neces- sary to change the present tariff, which will produce that amount, and has in fact during the last fiscal year yielded $179,046,630. The answer is, that during the last fiscal year our importations were swollen beyond any former experience of this country, and can not be relied on as a basis for the future. Under the very same law the year before the amount of gold revenue was only $84,928,260. It is manifest, there- fore, that we can not depend for the next fiscal year upon the present tariff to produce anything like the amount that it did in the last fiscal year, and even during the current fiscal year the estimated receipts from customs are far less than they were in the last. The peculiar circumstances by which we were then surrounded show that no estimate of future receipts can be based on the amount of the receipts during the last fiscal year. "When the war closed the Southern States were entirely destitute of domestic or foreign fabrics. They were not only without clothing, but they were without the articles necessary to human life, of domestic and foreign manufacture. The stock on hand in the Northern States was largely reduced. Hence the moment the war was over large importations fiowed in, and of neces- sity still larger demands were made for our domestic manufactures. But now that cause has ceased ; the vacuum has been supplied. ISTot only so, but by the sudden faU of gold, which fell much more rapidly than the prices of labor or of other commodities, goods manufactured abroad became cheaper in proportion than American goods. The American manufacturer could not adapt his prices to the fall of gold because of the high prices of labor and material, and these could not be reduced owing to the high rate of taxation and the increased cost of food and of all the elements which enter into production. If the American manufacturer could have reduced the cost of his production in the same ratio that gold was reduced he would not have been dis- turbed by the fall of gold. The valuable statistics presented to us by Mr. Wells show that while gold at times went down to thirty and even to twenty-five per cent, premium, during all that time the ordinary addition to the cost of food was from ninety to one hundred and forty ler cent., and the addition to the usual cost of manufacturing was rom seventy to ninety per cent. ; so that the fall in the price of for- eign goods, which were paid for in gold, was far greater uian the fall in the prices of domestic commodities. The domestic manufacturer was suddenly culled upon to compete with the foreign market when the advantage was some thirty or forty per cent, in favor of the for- eigner. It was evident under these circumstances that domestic fabrics E THE TAKIFF. 125 must fall o£f, and that large quantities of foreign goods would flow in to take tlieir place. This led to .enormous importations, and it pro- duced a very large gold revenue during the last year. But such a revenue can not exist longer without utter destruction to our producing interests. It is also clear that if the present relative condition of the prices of labor, commodities, and food, is maintained, nearly all our domestic manufactures must cease to exist. It is impossible under the present rates to maintain domestic manufactures unless one of two things occurs : either the price of labor must fall, or the price of gold must rise. The numerous gentlemen who submitted the result of meir observations to the Committee on Fiaance admitted that if they could reduce the price of labor they could also reduce the price of their fab- rics, and without additional duties compete with the foreign manufac- turers ; but they all said that was impossible ; the laborer now was get- ting barely enough to maintain life ; there were indeed strikes all over the country ; some peculiar branches of industry were able to pay very large prices for labor, but in many cases, especially with the woolen and some other interests, the price of labor had not advanced in pro- portion to the price of food, so that the laborer was really receiving less now than he did before the war, although nominally he had dou- ble the wages he had before. The reason was that the prices of food, of clothing, and of all the commodities he consumed, have not declined sufficiently to enable him to live upon a less sum of nominal money. If the present tariff law be continued in force we cannot expect it to yield more than . one hundred and twenty-iive to one hundred and thirty million dollars. It is clearly necessary, then, looking at this subject simply in a revenue point of view, to increase the duties on imported goods and to receive a larger amount of duties in gold. It is not necessary for me to picture the disastrous consequences that would result to this country if we failed to pay our interest in gold — failed to meet our obligations. The absolute necessity that weighs upon us is, scrupulously to observe the public faith. iDuring the war we were compelled to make contracts that may appear to our people to be onerous ; and yet any man of ordinary patriotism feels that we must observe those contracts to their fullest extent. It is evi- dent, therefore, that an absolute necessity rests upon us to raise, by some mode of taxation, an amount of money sufficient to enable us to meet our public engagements. The weight of these engagements has never yet rested on the people of this country. The reason has been that the interest on half the public debt was payable and paid in paper ; but by the very terms of our obligations the whole of that interest will soon be payable in gold ; and then we must meet the burden that will come upon us of paying it in gold. If your tariff should yield but $120,000,000 in gold when we have to pay $140,000,000 in gold, the Sectary of the Treasury will be compelled to go into the open market and buy $20,000,000 of gold to meet the deficiency. "What would then be our financial condition ? If, instead of selling gold now day by day, he were compelled to borrow or buy it in the open market to meet the interest on the public debt, what would be the consequence ? The price of gold would rise. The 1-26 SPEECHES AND REPORTS OF JOHN SHERMAN. public engagements could be met only by a sale of our securities in a foreign market. That would be the saddest spectacle that could possi- bly be presented. It is manifest, therefore, that we must levy such duties upon imported goods as will place us beyond all danger of fail- ing to meet our obligations. Then, Mr. President, when yoil come to apply the diities to the various articles of importation, it becomes a simple matter of routine. I shall not waste much time in going into the various details now, be- cause the questions will come up from time to time, as they are pre- sented ; but there are certain matters upon which the Committee have acted that it would be well to state in general terms. The most obvious sources of revenue in a tariff bill are items usually classed as luxuries. In levying duties upon these articles there is but one rule laid down^ not merely by the English and French writers, but by every nation that attempts to raise a revenue from imports, and that is to levy as high a rate as possible on them without reducing their consumption. The luxuries are mostly contained in three items : spirits, wines, and tobacco. These are undoubtedly the first objects which should be taxed ; and in most countries, but especially in Eng- land and France, they yield a very large portion of the revenue. "We, however, are unhappily placed in regard to these articles, as we produce them ourselves. vVe make our own whisky and produce our own tobacco ; and therefore we do not and can not look to these items as so great a source of revenue as they do in other countries, where they produce no tobacco, but import all they use, and where it consequently can be taxed at the custom-house. The rates of duty prescribed by the Senate amendment on these articles are substantially the rates of duty prescribed by the House bill, except in one important particular — in the article of wine. It was found on examination, and it is shown clearly by Mr. "Wells's report, that wine of a cheap quality, really inferior to our ordinaiy cider, is imported in enormous quantities at the valuation of less than twenty cents a gallon, and pays a duty of some twenty or thirty cents, and is sold to our people in many cases at four dollars a dozen bottles, or about one dollar a gallon. This is really not the wine of France, or the wine of the country from which it purports to come, but an adul- terated article prepared for the American market, having no mai'ket value in the country of its production, and sent here at a merely nom- inal price. It is found that, b;^ the operation of the present tariff, the Government gained comparatively little revenue from it. Last year the revenue from wines amounted to about four millions. The Com- mittee have proposed to substitute a uniform tax of fifty cents a gallon, which, in my opinion, is rather too sniiiU, but which -will yield a much lai'f^er sum than the present crd valorem (luty. I am inclined to think that while a larger rate of duty would probably prevent the importa- tion of a considerable portion of tlio wine, the amount of revenue received would be greater oven on a smaller quantity. The Commit- tee tlioiiglit proper to adopt a s])ocific duty of fifty cents a gallon, and I am willingto try the experiniont. lu regard to tobacco the laM' is loft substantially as it is, except in regard to the single item of cigars. THE TARIFF. 127 on which the rate is somewhat reduced because it was found that the present rate tended to prevent importation and to promote smuggling. The next items which are always regarded in framing a tariff bill are such articles of common use as are called comforts, or perhaps lux- uries — in this countiy they are the comforts of all classes of the people — sugar, tea, and coffee. The House of Representatives, I think with- out carefully examining the subject — certainly it was done without the sanction of the Committee of Ways and Means — threw off one half the duty on tea and coffee, on the ground that, as tea and coffee were used by all classes of our people, we ought not to tax them so high. The truth is that the ad valorem tax on both coffee and tea is far below the general average of our tariff laws, six cents a pound on cof- fee and twenty-five cents a pound on tea, amounting to about from thirty to fifty per cent, ad valorem. If we had no need of revenue, if we were in a position to throw off taxes, if we had no system of in- ternal taxation, if we had no taxes naore oppressive and more burden- some than those on tea and coffee, they would be the first we should throw off ; but it is manifestly improper now to dispense with a revenue of eight or ten million dollars merely to relieve our people from paying a tax that does not weigh heavily upon them. By doing so we would compel the imposition of $12,000,000 in paper money upon our domes- tic productions. The Committee on Finance, therefore, thought it wise to restore the old rate of taxation, and that yields on the articles I have already named — wines, tobacco, spirits, sugar, tea and coffee^ — from fifty-five to sixty million dollars, or about two fifths of all the revenue that is necessary to be produced from imported goods. These articles are more staple in their yield, more uniform in their consump- tion than any other articles on the list. Although used to some extent by all the people, the great body of them are used by those who are able to pay for them. Besides, the duties on these articles are more easily and more surely collected. The duties are specific, and there can be under this bill no undervaluation. Besides, the articles are heavy ; they can not be smuggled in ; their quantity is easily ascertained. They are articles that in all countries are looked upon as the main sources of revenue. We cannot afford to throw off now a certain revenue of $10,000,000. At a time when we are compelled to ' levy internal taxes upon every branch of our industry, when the widow and the orphan, when the farmer and the manufacturer, when the laboring man and all classes of our citizens are compelled to pay large- ly increased prices for their food and clothing by our system of inter- nal taxation, we certainly ought not to throw off this, the easiest and best form of taxation. We come now, Mr. President, to the duties on manufactures, and that for the first time presents the question of protection. In regard to the articles I have already discussed, although we do produce to- bacco and wine in this country, the question of protection is not neces- sarily involved, and we regard simply the question of revenue. It is necessary in levying duties to discriminate in favor of our own industry on all articles that can be produced in this country by the or- dinary application of skill and labor. It is manifestly the duty of the 128 SPEECHES AND REPORTS OF JOHN SHERMAN. country to protect American industry to that extent, not simply on ac- count of the old-fashioned argmnent that we used to have before the ■war, that as a policy it is better to diversify our industry, and manufac- ture all that is necessary for our own consumption, but on other grounds. We must now protect American manufactures, not merely against for- eign competition, but also against the effect of our own laws. This is really all the protection they now need. If you converse with intelligent men engaged in the business of manufacturing, they will tell you that they are willing to compete with England, France, Germany, and all the countries of Europe, at the old rates of duty. If you reduce their products to a specie basis, and put them upon the same footing they were on before the war, the present rates of duty would be too high. It would scarcely be necessary for any branch of industry to be protected to the extent of the present tariff law. They do not ask protection against the pauper labor of Eu- rope, but they ask protection against the creation of our own laws. These are our paper currency and our internal taxation. Foreign capital in Canada, and elsewhere, is not compelled to carry on business under- the depressing influences that surround us. Manu- facturers abroad pay no internal taxes ; they do not have to buy with paper money at the inflated prices always produced by paper money. Take the case of the manufacturer of iron. If he were at liberty to hire his labor, buy his provisions, and the articles which enter into the pro- duction of iron, upon the gold basis, he could compete with the labor of Europe. The advantages of freight and other advantages would enable him to do it. But if you compel him to pay two hundred per cent, for his food — and more than half the cost of all the iron produced in this country is food — if you compel him to pay largely increased prices for clothing for his laborers ; if you add largely to the cost of everything that enters into the elements of his production, as a matter course he can not compete with those who are not subjected to similar burdens. It is not British or foreign competition that produces distress among the manufacturing interests of this coimtry at tliis time ; it is the effect of our laws. The chief evil arises from a depreciated currency. The inevitable effect of paper money is to advance prices far beyond the difference between paper and gold, and indeed it is sometimes held to be one of the virtues of paper money that it does advance prices and give higher wages to labor. I do not wish now to enter into an argument on that question ; but we know that the existence of paper money does tend to raise the prices of commodities in this country, and that the American manufacturer can not, with paper money and with high prices caused by taxation, compete with foreign productions. What, then, has he a right to ask ? He has a right to ask that, if the laws impose upon him additional bu.rden8, they should give him additional protection. That is the demand made, and it is impossible to resist it. It may be asked then, why continue our present paper money; why continue our internal taxation ? I wish M-e could dispense with them ; but certainly it is now impossible. If we could come back to-morrow to the specie standard, and remove all the taxes that we have imposed upon THE TARIFF. 129 our labor, we sliould all be glad to do it. I suppose there is not a Sen- ator within the sound of my voice who will not admit that a specie basis is the natural condition of trade ; that for a currency there ought to be something stable and intrinsically valuable, made so by the labor necessary to produce it. Everybody admits that gold and silver are the only real standard of value ; that that which regulates exchanges must, be the production of labor. Gold and silver are the product of labor in its most permanent, convenient, and unchanging form, and constitute therefore the best standard of currency. But, Mr. President, we were driven to the use of paper money : we could not have carried on the war without it ; the circumstances by which we were surrounded com- pelled us to resort to it ; and I believe that every sensible man who ex- amines our affairs must admit that without the free use of our credit, coined into money, we could not have carried on the operations of the war, because we should not have had a circulating medium with which to pay our soldiers for their services, and to feed their wives and chil- dren while they were away from them. It is sometimes said the foreigner has to pay his duties in gold, while the manufacturer pays his taxes in paper money, and also pays the additional cost of labor in paper money, and they say the difference between gold and paper money is a sufficient protection. That argu- ment would be valid but for this important fact, that the price of labor and of commodities is far more advanced than the price of gold. Gold is the cheapest commodity in the market. The importer has the bene- fit of that condition of affairs ; he has a discrimination in his favor, be- cause while the cost of American manufactures has increased about a hundred per cent., the price of gold is only about thirty-six per cent, above that of paper. It is apparent, then, that the system of paper money is a discrimination in favor of the importer of foreign • goods. That discrimination was made manifest in its effects by the enormous importations made during the past year ; and by the fact that when gold went down twenty-five per cent., importations increased, while flie prices of domestic commodities and of labor did not materially fall during that time. While gold went down from two hundred to one hundred and twenty-five, the price of labor was not materially affected. The large demand for foreign and domestic supplies kept up the mar- ket. Thus the manufacturer met a competition, not growing out of foreign labor, but resulting from our own laws, which prescribed cur- rency for him and gold for the importer. I do not know that I have made myself understood ; but this is the leading reason why it is necessary to give to the American producer, in all the different stages of production, some countervailing protection to balance the effect of paper money. Another reason is, that the system of internal taxation which our necessities compelled us to adopt, throws upon the American producer an enormous burden which the foreigner does not have to bear. Take the case of a shop or a mill in Canada, on our frontier, where labor is one half what it is here : do you suppose that an American producer can compete with the Canadian manufacturer? Take the case of Eng- land, which is more striking yet, where by a long existing system they 9 130 SPEECHES AND REPORTS OF JOHK SHERMAN. have reduced the cost of production to the lowest possible limit, where by their plan of taxation they favor all manner of production, where the cost of labor is reduced and the duties imposed amount to but little, and where the manufacturer gets his raw material free : is it possible for the American to compete with the English manufacturer when he has to contribute to $310,000,000 internal taxation? It is impossible. "We were compelled by the necessities of war to levy directly a tax of five per cent, on his productions ; we levy a tax of five per cent, on his income ; we levy a large tax upon every element which enters into the cost of his labor. It has been estimated, and I think correctly, that the actuartaxes upon American manufactures, direct and indirect, amount to about twenty per cent, on the capital employed. Mr. "Wells, in his report, clearly shows that the various taxes levied upon cotton manu- factures amount to about twenty-two per cent, upon the capital em- ployed. Is it possible for American manufactures to be maintained, for American workshops to be continued, unless the Government is willing to give some protection against its own laws ? Can the manufacturer pay these enormous taxes upon the basis of paper money, and yet com- pete with labor in Europe, where the manufacturer pays no taxes, where he has his raw material free, where every element is in his favor ? I think it is impossible. If, therefore, we would protect our American industry against our own laws, we must make the duties on foreign goods commensurate with the taxes imposed upon our manu- factures, and thus enable them to continue the competition that has been carried on for years. It is not necessary for me to go into familiar facts to show that the effect of domestic competition is to cheapen the price of products. Under the stimulus of our laws great numbers of American manufac- tures have grown up with a rapidity unexampled in the history of- any country. England was more than one hundred years in building up her system of manufactures. Ours have been built up since 1823. At that time New England was a mere commercial community : now it is a manufacturing community. At the time when the great friend of America, the Earl of Chatham, said that the laws of England should be so framed that no shoe-nail could be made in America, we could scarcely make one. We imported everything. There was scarcely a factory in America ; and so it continued, with but slight progress, for fifty years. American manufactures took their birth m ISiSunder the heavy re- strictive duties of the tariff law of that year. Since that time they have grown to amazing proportions, until" they are now in value ten times the importations of the country. I was somewhat surprised at the tables produced by my friend from New Jersey yesterday, and especially the table preixireit by Mr. Del- mar, show that in 1800 the annual productidus of tliis country — agricultural, mechanical, etc. — iiniouuted to $6,700,000,000. in gold. I thought it was pretty large, and 1 should like to see the elements of Mr. Deliiuir'B figures; but he foots up $('>,755,r)S7,0r)7. A large pro- portion of these pr(i(hictious wei-o iu manufactures which have been built up within the last thirty or Forty years. THE TARIFF. 131 Of the $310,000,000 of taxes levied upon productions in the form of internal revenue, about $170,000,000 is paid directly or indirectly by manufactures. True it is finally collected again from the consumer ; but, as it is added to the price of the commodity, the manufacturer must reduce his price to compete with the foreigner, or he must aban- don the market. Under these circumstances it is apparent that the present rates of duty, although higher than they have ever been before, must be in- creased, or there must be a reduction in the price of labor in this coun- try, or an increase in the price of gold.. I think we have thoroughly tried the last experiment. Then, unless we give to the American manufacturer some increased protection against our laws, the price of labor must fall and the price of food rise. The people will have to meet the internal taxes with less daily pay, and the result will be that we shall have distress and complaints : not repudiation, I know, but dissatisfaction with the laws. While imported goods, the products of foreign industry, are flo'wdng into this country in great quantities, our own industry is being depressed, our manufactures broken down, our shops shut up. Now I come to a part of this bill which is the only one which in- duced me to engage in this discussion, and that is the part relating to the proposed duties on agricultural products. Here there is a conflict of interest between agricultural and manufacturing industry, or at least there is supposed to be ; but I believe there is not and ought not to be. The manufacturer generally looks upon everything he has to buy as a raw material, and everything that he has to sell as a finished product. The revenue commissioner has fallen into the same error, and he calls wool a raw product. Wool is not a raw product to the farmer, though it may be to the manufacturer, because to the farmer it is the completed prodact of his industry. So of the cereals ; wheat, fiaxseed, rye, barley are not raw materials to the farmer, but they are raw materials to the manufacturer who consumes them. They are the result of labor ; they are the complete product of the labor of the farmer. His raw material is his land and his labor, while his product is wool, wheat, barley, etc. Mr. President, if in the present condition of- affairs we levy duties on imported goods so as to give the farmer no protection against com- peting labor, we do an act of gross injustice, and such a tariff cannot be enduring. We very well know that the great body, I believe four fifths, perhaps five sixths," of our people, are engaged in agriculture. They usually, on account of the weight and bulk of their articles, do not require anything like the protection that other industries do, be- cause the very bulk of their products gives them an advantage in the home market. But if they are compelled, on ordinary articles of their production, to compete on equal terms with the cheap labor of other countries they will naturally be dissatisfied. How do you maintain the doctrine of protection in a tariff ? You say to the farmers, " Protect our industry, build up our manufactures, and we will start shops in your neighborhood and consume your prod- ucts ; we will give you the benefit of a home market." That is all very weU and very plausible, and it has induced the great body of the farm- 132 SPEECHES AND REPORTS OF JOHX SHERMAN. ing community in this country to be what are called protectionists. Ohio, always an agricultural State, was a protectionist State, and the farmers were probably as much protectionists as any other class. "Why ? Because they believed that by building up manufactures in this country they would have the benefit of the home market. But if a manufac- turer in Rhode Island who consumes a million pounds of wool, after he has got the benefit of all the protection he wants on his woolen goods and nas raised the price of them to the farmer who has to buy them, says, " I can buy my wool cheaper in South America, and am opposed to duties upon wool, because it is a raw material," you will find that the farmer will be discontented. You must extend protection to every- thing that is made up by labor, and you cannot stop short of it. If wool is a raw article to the manufacturer, cloth is a raw article to the tailor. The principle is correct as to wool, or it is wrong as to cloth. In ordinary times protection is not necessary to the farmer, because with the advantage he possesses in a rich soil and cheap land he can compete with the products of other countries. Our agricultural indus- tries do not often want protective duties and have rarely called on Congress for them ; but now, when the prices of all commodities are raised by high extraordinary prices, the farmer has a right to demand and does demand that the same protection should be extended to him as to other industrial interests. I wish in this connection to make some reference to the report of Mr. Wells on wool, and I do it with sincere respect for him, because I know from personal observation that he is not only industrious and able in the discharge of the duties imposed upon him by law, but I be- lieve that he is as weU qualified from his experience and intellect to discharge those duties as any man in the United States ; but at the same time, in regard to some interests that affect my own constituents, he has fallen into many errors. He is opposed to the proposed increase of the duty on wool, and has supported his opinion with all the reasons that can possibly be given, and he bases it mainly upon the assertion that every cent added to the duty on wool costs the consumer of the wool §6,000,000, and therefore that a duty of ten cents a pound would add to the cost of the wool and woolens consumed in this country some sixty million dollars. There is a great deal of fallacy in this mode of reasoning. Suppose you were to apply that principle to another protective duty. Suppose we should turn round to the iron men and Say, " Here, your diities on iron add to the cost of all the iron produced in this country the full amount of duty, and the consumer has to pay that additional value, and all this costs the people of the United States too much." If that is the mode of reasoning, there is an end of all protection. You must show that all classes of the community got the benefit of this principle or you must abandon it altogether, "i'ou cannot maiiitiun that it is a hardship for the wool interest to demand protection any more than the iron or other interests. Talco the ciise of cotton manufactures, the duties on which are fixed in this bill at from fifty to sixty per CLMit. Undoubt- edly to a considerable extent these duties are added to the cost of the articles to the consumer; and I miglit make a formidable array of THE TARIFF. I33 figures to show that, in order to sustain the manufacturers who are the constituents of my friend from Ehode Island, the people of Ohio are compelled to contribute out of their pockets a number of millions of dollars. That would not be a fair mode of argument, and yet it is precisely the mode of argument with which we are met in regard to the duty on wool. It is strange that the manufacturers, who have been aided by protective duties, should resort to free-trade arguments when the farmers demand a far less rate of protection than they have received. But there is an element of error in the computation itself as well as in the principle of the computation. The Commissioner, without giving us the basis of his computation, declares that there are one hun- dred and seventeen million pounds of woolen goods manufactured and consumed in this country, and that there are imported thirty-three million pounds of woolen goods. He thus puts the whole quantity of woolens consumed in this country at one hundred and fifty milKon pounds. Then he says, as it takes four pounds of raw wool imported into this country to make one pound of woolen cloth, therefore the amount of wool consumed in this country must be six hundred million pounds. That is absurd. The largest quantity of foreign wool im- ported into this country in one year was never over eighty-four million pounds, and the average is about sixty millions ; the largest clip of wool ever grown in this country, and that was last year, was one hundred million pounds, while the average is eighty millions ; showing but an aggregate of one hundred and eighty^four million pounds, or enough to make forty-six million pounds of cloth instead of one hundred and seventeen million pounds. What is the use of taking a computation of this kind in the face of plain, palpable facts ? The wool imported in the form of woolen goods I leave out of view, because the computation is that one hundred and seventeen million pounds of woolen goods, aside from those imported, are consumed in this country. That would show a production of wool here amoimting to about four hundred and sixty-eight million pounds. The wool-growers never pretended, and no one that I have ever seen pretended, that the clip of this country was over a hundred million pounds. It is generally estimated at eighty-four or eighty-five millions, while the highest quantity of wool ever imported into this country was but eighty-four millions, and the average but sixty millions. Two years ago it was only forty millions, and last year eighty-four million pounds were imported, the highest importation ever made. Let us examine the reasoning upon which the Commissioner bases his estimate. He says : The number of sets of woolen machinery or series of cards employed in the United States, reported to the Wool-Mamifactnrers' Association in Ootoher, 1865, was 4,100, consuming 2,252,546 pounds of scoured wool and substitutes for wool per week; but these returns, it was stated, did not probably indicate more than three fourths to four fifths of the sets then in actual operation. Upon a statement that in a certain week in October the quantity •consumed in the woolen factories, then driven to their extreme, was so much and then multiplying that by fifty-two we have the basis of the computation. That is an msufficient mode of reasoning. I have no 134 SPEECHES AND REPORTS OF JOHN SHERMAN. doubt that the duty on wool will add somewhat to the cost of the woolens consumed by the people of the United States. To what extent it is difficult to say, because it is always difficult to estimate how much of the duty will be paid by the importing merchant, how much by the foreigner who raises the wool, how much by the consumer, and how much of it will be cheapened hj the increased manufacture or by the increased competition in domestic products. These are unknown quan- tities about which men may theorize as much as they choose. I take it though as a general principle, and admit beforehand that every duty adds to the cost to the consumer. There is another statement here made in regard to this matter in which I think the Commissioner must have fallen into an error, and I intend to call his attention to it this morning. He endeavors to show that the wool interest is a prosperous one ; that the growth of wool is a prosperous and profitable branch of industry in this country, and he quotes from a gentleman who is highly esteemed by men engaged in tbis business, Mr. Eandall, who wrote a book called the "Practical Shepherd." He quotes from Mr. EandaU, who says : How very striking is the fact that, 'during thirty-eight years [ending January 1, 1862], and with all the disturbing causes to the wool market, there has not been a single year in which the average price (42'8) for the wool marked " medium," would not now pay the actual cost of producing our heavy-fleeced American merino wools. ... Of the production of how many other of our great staples of industry can as much be said ? In this Mr. Kandall says that the average price they have received for their wool, according to statements up to a certain time, was forty- two and eight tenths cents per pound. Mr. KandaU's statement was written in 1863, and was based upon calculations made prior to January, 1862, and prior to any increase on the price growing out of the war. The computation made by him was literally true, that at forty-two and eight tenths cents per pound for wool, the average rate, the business of sheep-growing would be a remunerative one. If the wool-grower now had forty-two and eight tenths cents per pound in gold for his wool — and that was what Mr. KandaU was talking about — it would be all he wants, all he could ask. But now. this same report goes on and says : The present prices of New England, New York, and Ohio unwashed wools (New York price current, November 3, 1866) range from thirty to forty-six cents per pound, and at these rates it is claimed that the business of wool-growing, particu- larly in the States of New York, Pennsylvania, and Oliio, is very far from remu- nerative. This report shows that, while for a period of years before 1S02 the price of wool was forty-two and eight tenths cents in gold, it is now less than that in currency. Is it possible that the wool-growei-s can continue their industn^ upon this basis ? Does it not appear from the very facts here stated that the cost of that wool, and of the labor of its production, has been increased by the paper currency and internal taxation, while the price of the product has not increased ? Can you suppose the men thus engaged in an industry which yields one hundred million pounds of wool, or at the old rates $'12,()00,000, can carry it on without some protection ? The manufacturer in South America THE TARIFF. I35 can buy Lis wool cheaper than he can in Ohio. The cost of freight from Ohio is as great as the cost from South America — the precise rates I can not tell — water transportation is so much cheaper. Is it possible for the wool-grower thus to compete ? Unless you give him a protection equivalent to the advance of prices since we have substi- tuted paper money for gold, can you expect him to be satisfied ? The wool-growers of this country, as a rule, are among the small farmers of the country. Most of the sheep are owned in small flocks of from one hundred to two hundred. Very few of the farmers, comparatively, have large flocks. When they see that their product, upon which they' rely to help pay internal taxes, has not advanced in price one cent be- yond what it was at the beginning of the war, and that they are now with insufficient protection called upon to compete with South Amer- ica and all the cheap wool-producing countries, you must expect them to be dissatisfied. The average duty, as shown by the tables here, paid on South American wool, is a little over four and a half cents a pound. Certain wools are brought in at three cents ; certain wools at six cents ; certain wools at twelve cents. The average as shown by the tables is four and • a half cents. The gold value of the wool, according to this statement, was before the war forty-two and eight tenths cents ; so that the actual protection which the farmer now gets to compensate for the derange- ment of the currency, for his share of internal taxes, is only one tenth of the cost of wool in 1862. "When these two rival interests met together in a convention called by the manufacturers themselves, and the whole matter was there dis- cussed, it was agreed between them, after full discussion, that the rates of -duty reported by the Senate bill should be given them, and they were satisfied with them, and have never called them in question. The manufacturers then made the claim that if the duty was put on wool they ought to have a corresponding duty on the cloth. That was freely yielded. The principle is proper ; that is, if a duty is levied upon the rg,w article, an equivalent amount should be added to the duty on the product in order to enable the American manufacturer who converts that wool into cloth to compete with the foreign manufacturer. I trust that in the present tariff the arrangement between the wool-growers and the wool-manufacturers will be carried out. I would prefer myself to take it in the very words they have given us, so that if they are not satisfied hereafter they cannot complain of the proper Committees of Congress for any mistake. I would take them at their word. I think their demand is a reasonable one, and I would be willing to give it to them as they ask it, so that if there is anything wrong in the practical working of their scheme they themselves may have the responsibility of it. It is said, I know, that there was a very important class of our peo- ple not consulted when this arrangement was made. That is true : the consumers were not consulted, and the consumers have to pay the in- creased cost ; but all other branches of industry in which these same consumers are interested are sufficiently protected by the duties imposed by this bill. The duties on wool and the duties on all agricultural 136 SPEECHES AND REPORTS OF JOHN SHERMAN. products provided for in this bill are less per cent, ad valorem than the duties on manufactures. This is properly so, because they are so bulky that they protect themselves in .great measure, and because on account of ,the cheapness of our land we have the advantage over foreigners and have less need for protection. Here, in order to save me from addressing the Senate again, I may say that there is another agricultural interest in which the people of Indiana and Ohio are very largely interested, and that is flaxseed. By the present tariff, with which they are much dissatisfied, the duty on flaxseed is a little less than eleven cents a bnshel. There is a nominal duty of sixteen cents, but a reduction is made from that duty, of the drawback on the cake made from imported seed, which reduces the duty in favor of the farmer to about ten and a half cents. The effect of that drawback is that cake made from American seed is not worth as much in New York by five cents a bushel as the foreign cake of the same quality. That discrimination is made against our own industry. The duty then is really less than eleven cents a bushel, and at present prices it is only about five per cent, ad valorem ; while on the other hand, on flaxseed oil, which is nothing but the expressed juice of the flaxseed imported from India, there is a duty of twenty-three cents a gallon, or what is equivalent to a duty of about flfty-one cents on a bushel of seed, so that the discrimination made against the agricultur- ist is about forty cents a bushel. There is great complaint about this. That the crusher ought to have some protection there is no doubt, though I think myself the crushing of the India seed is one of those forced unnatural trades that can only be sustained by a very high rate of taxation, but as it is in existence I am willing to give it a fail* pro- tection. That is one point of difference between the House and Sen- ate bill, and as I do not intend to enter into the discussion of the question hereafter I wUl simply say that the House had the subject before them a long time, and after much controversy settled it, I think, on a proper basis, by giving thirty cents duty on the seed and thirty cents a gallon on the oil,, which is equivalent to a protection of thirty- seven and a half cents per bushel to the crusher of imported seed. If the oil is imported in the seed it will pay a duty of thirty cents a bushel, which will produce two and a quarter gallons of oil or fourteen cents a gallon. If imported as oil it will pay a duty of thirty cents a gallon, giving to the crusher a protection of sixteen cents a gallon for Sie simplest form of mechanical labor. Surely this is enough. Mr. President, there is but one other part of this bill to which I wish now to call the attention of the Senate, and that but for a few moments. The Secretary of the Treasury in his annual report states that the extent of the undervaluations and fraudulent importation of foreign goods amounts to about twenty per cent, of the whole. That this is true is known to every one in trade. In certain articles, which are solely manufactured for the American market, the invoice prices are merely nominal, and as most of the duties ai'e ad valorem they pay merely nominal amounts. The loss from this source and from smuggling, according to the report of the Socretaiy, is $35,000,000 a year. It is manifest that this ought to be corrected. It is said that on THE TARIFF. 137 account of this system of undervaluation many branches of our foreign trade have got into the hands of unprincipled men. Merchants who have their chief office abroad invoice their goods and consign them to an agent here, so that we have no responsible person to punish for a violation of our laws. The present remedy is to seize the goods and go through a long litigation. In England custom-house oaths are not recognized, and the value of imported goods is ascertained by inspection. If in the opinion of the proper appraisers the goods are undervalued, the Government sim- ply says to the importers, " I will take these goods at your price, and allow you a reasonable profit on them," and they are sold for public use. The result has been in England, I am told, that all systems of undervaluation have been broken up. The same plan has been adopted in the treaty between France and Italy, a copy of which I have before me, so that goods imported from Italy to France, or vice versa, and when received at the custom-house ascertained by inspection to be undervalued to the extent of five per cent., are seized and sold for the Government. The importer receives his own valuation for the goods together with a profit of five per cent. If he complains he is suffi- ciently answered by saying, " We took your goods at your own price, at your own valuation; if there is an error you made it yourself." The result has been that undervaluation is too dangerous to be practiced. This device has been applied in many cases in both England and France with great advantage. The Committee on Finance have there- fere introduced into the biU a provision somewhat similar to the English regulation, except that the EngKsh law, where the goods sell for more than ten per cent, in addition to the valuation, allows the custom-house oflicers one half of the" excess. The Committee on Finance thought it best not to insert that feature, for the present at least, until the system was tried. The section contained in this bill authorizes the custom- house officers, in the case of undervaluation to the extent of ten per cent., to seize the goods as the property of the United States and sell them. If the importer complains about it he is paid at his own value, and ten per cent, allowed him for profits and for expenses of importa- tion and sale. "With these general observations I leave this bill. Although some portions of it do not meet my views, and I shall probably vote for modifications, yet I beheve the bill as a whole will be beneficial. The bill of the House, in my judgment, was defective in several important particulars. In the first place, by throwing off half the duty on tea and coffee, it reduced the duties on those articles more than we can bear. Another objection to the House bill was, that on many articles the rates of duty were made so high as absolutely to prohibit their im- portation, and consequently to utterly destroy the revenue from them. The present bill, founded upon Mr. Wells's bill, but very materially modified by the Committee on Finance, will give every industry of the country a fair and reasonable protection. It will not reduce the aggre- gate revenue from manufactured goods. From the statements made to us I believe that under it every industrial interest in our country can be prosecuted with reasonable success under favorable circumstances, 138 SPEECHES AND EEP0ET8 OF JOHN SHERMAN. and yet at the same time there will be such a competition between the foreign and domestic producer as to yield us a fair revenue on imported goods. Nor am I alarmed by the statement made by my friend from New Jersey yesterday, that the amount of goods imported into this country was the enormous sum of $305,000,000. We must import goods to get revenue ; and, when I reflect that $305,000,000 is only five per cent, of the magnificent production he shows we have annually made in this country, I do not think we need be frightened at the amount of imported goods. We can not entirely break up the importation of goods without surrendering our revenue. We dare not do that. The necessity rests upon us of raising $140,000,000 of gold. We must not, therefore, ma- terially affect the trade between foreign countries and our own. All that our own people can ask is, that such reasonable protection shall be given to them that our currency and our system of internal taxation shall not operate injuriously to their interests. THE PUBLIC DEBT. IN TEE SENATE, DECEMBER 17, 1867. Mr. Sherman made the following report : The Committee on Finance, to whom was referred so much of the President's message as relates to the public debt, and the report of the Secretary of the Treasury on the state of the finances, is called upon to report upon three important subjects necessarily connected with each other : First. The funding of the public debt, and, as an incident to it, the redemption of the bonds commonly known as the five-twenty bonds ; Second. The taxation, State and national, of the public secui'ities ; and -^ Third. The redemption and conversion of the United States notes or legal-tender currency. Questions are presented in regard to each of these, the solution of which ought not to be delayed. There are disputes as to the mode of the payment of the public debt seriously affecting the ]iublic credit ; there is wide-spread complaint as to the exemption of public securities from taxation ; and the evils of a depreciated and unconvertible cur- rency are so manifest, both in public and pri\-ate business, that the early attention of Congress is properly called to them by the executive authorities. It should bo the effort of Congress not meroly to declare and obey the oxistiiifjf law, but to adopt a comprehensive policy that will preserve the public faitli, restore confidence to the people and stability to our business interests, and yet appeal to the sense of justice of our constitu- THE PUBLIC DEBT. I39 ents if it is unhappily drawn into the arena of party politics. Finan- cial matters ought not to be in any sense partisan, but they may become so. Unless Congress can adopt a policy meeting all the requisites named, the contest on these most delicate and difficult questions may be transferred to the polls, where the heat of party strife may lead to dangerous results. It is impossible to overstate the importance of these questions. ISext to the existence of government itself, and the security of per- sonal rights, come the protection of property, the preservation of the public credit, the adjustment of taxes, and the regulation of the cur- rency. Nearly all the legislation of peace is the legislation of finance. The action of Congress on these subjects afifects the value of all prop- erty in the United States ; the reward of all labor ; the income of the rich ; the wages of the poor ; the pension of the widow ; the enter- prise and industry of aU classes of our people ; and thus touches the home and heart of every person in the United States. Therefore, in reporting upon these questions, your Committee appeal to the gener- ous forbearance of each Senator not to condemn until he is convinced, to criticise with kindness, and to lend us the aid of his intellect and experience in making the measure proposed such a one as wiU accom- pHsh the great objects we all have in view. Before examiniug the several provisions of the bill, your Commit- tee begs leave to state the present condition of the public debt. It consists of numerous forms of public securities, nearly all of which grew put of the urgent necessities of the late war. The calls for money to maintain the army and navy were so imperative that many different forms pf loan were resorted to, and, as a means to enable the Govern- ment to reach the resources of the people, a currency was improvised. This currency now forms a part of the public debt, and, being a legal tender in the payment of debts, is in the nature of a compulsory loan without interest. It has proved so convenient a currency that, apart from the advantage the G-ovemment derives from it by the saving of interest, it has been and now is of great importance in promoting en- terprise and the exchange of domestic products. It only remains, either by reducing -the amount or by other means of increasing its value to the standard of gold, to make it not only the most favorable f onn of loan, but the best national currency yet devised. During the war the residue of the public debt could only be contracted at high rates of in- terest and upon onerous conditions, caused by the uncertainty of our ultimate success, and by the efforts of a portion of our people to de- preciate the public credit. For this reason those who were charged with the national finances constantly kept in view the principle of " re- deemability " of the principal of the debt within a short time, with the confident expectation that the close of the war and the success of the national cause would enable us to redeem it by a loan on more favorable terms. The necessity of funding the public debt, as soon as possible after the war closed, into one clearly defined loan, at as low a rate of interest as possible, has been conceded by every one. The only questions are as to the most favorable time and manner. When this subject was under discussion a year or two ago, two 140 SPEECHES AND KEPOETS OF JOHN SHEEMAN. chief difficulties were alleged to lie in the way. One was the com- pound-interest notes, now either paid 6flE or provided for ; the other was the option of the holders of the three-year seven-thirty notes to demand payment in money, or to convert them at their maturity into five-twenty bonds. These are now either converted or in such a state of conversion that, for onir purposes, we may estimate the $285,587,100 of seven-thirty notes now outstanding as a part of our five-twenty bonds, into which it is the option, the interest, and no doubt the pur- pose of the holders to convert them. Our public debt is stated thus : Statement of tlie Public Debt of the United States on December 1, 1867. DEBT BEAKING COIN INTEREST. Five per cent, bonds, ten-forties, and old fires $205,532,850 00 Six per cent, bonds of 1867 and 1868 14,690,941 80 Six per cent, bonds, 1881 282,731,550 00 Six per cent, five-twenty bonds 1,324,412,550 00 Navy pension fund 13,000,000 00 $1,840,367,891 80 DEBT BEARING CURRENCY INTEREST. Six per cent, bonds $18,601,000 00 Three-year compound-interest notes 62,249,360 00 Tliree-year seven-thirty notes 285,687,100 00 Three per cent, certificates 12,855,000 00 379,292,460 00 MATURED DEBT NOT PRESENTED FOR PAYMENT. Three-year aeven-thirty notes, due August 15, 1867. . . $2,855,400 00 Compound-interest notes, matured June 10, July 15, August 15, and October 15, 1867 7,065,750 00 Bonds, Texas indemnity 260,000 00 Treasury notes, acta July 17, 1861, and prior thereto. 163,011 64 Bonds, April 15, 1842 54,061 64 Treasury notes, March 3, 1863 868,240 00 Temporary loan 2,880,900 55 Certificate of indebtedness .■ 31,000 00 14,178,363 83 DEBT BEARING NO INTEREST. United States notes $356,212,473 00 Fractional currency 30,929,984 05 Gold certificates of deposit 18,401,400 00 405,848,867 05 Total debt $2,639,382,672 68 Amount in treasury, coin $100,690,646 69 Amount in treasury, currency 37,486,176 24 138,176,820 93 Amount of debt less cash in treasury f 2,501 20r),7.'il 76 HUGH McCULLOCTT, Si'civtanj of the Treasvrij. A portion of this debt may be dismissed from our view. The ads commonly known as the long bonds of 1881, §282,731,520, were THE PUBLIC DEBT. 141 negotiated on the gold basis, and are neither redeemable nor payable until 1881. The ten-forty bonds, about $200,000,000, also are neither payable nor redeemable until 1874, and both principal and interest are payable in gold. The smaller items of debt, amounting to $122,574,675, will be paid from the funds on hand or current receipts, and may be dis- missed from our consideration. This leaves the five-twenty bonds, inclu- ding with them the seven-thirties, in the aggregate amounting to $1,610,- 000,000, which, with legal tenders and fractional currency amounting to $387,142,457, compose the body of the public debt of the United States. A large portion of this debt is now redeemable at the pleasure of the United States, and the whole of it will become so in a compara- tively short time. Your committee are of the opinion that now is the time to provide for the redemption of these bonds, as they become re- deemable, by a new loan on more favorable terms to the United States, and also to secure to the holder of the United States notes, as soon as practicable, their full value in gold. Such a currency, convertible into gold, with a public debt bearing as low a rate of interest as practica- ble, with the right again to redeem the principal when more favorable terms can be had, with a moderate provision to diminish the principal annually, supported by a system of taxes levied as far as practicable on imported goods, luxuries, and incomes — these are elements of a finan- cial system which your Committee seek to establish. Before examining the precise terms of this debt, and the measures proposed by your committee, it is proper to inquire whether this com- prises the whole of the public debt. It is sometimes asserted that an unhquidated debt of a vast and uncertain amount exists, not included in the statement of the public debt. Upon this point the most vague and indefinite opinions prevail, not only in this country, but in Europe. Nothing can have a more injurious effect upon the public credit than the supposed existence and concealment of any portion of the debt. If o comprehensive financial policy can be adopted that does not em- brace every portion of it. Tour Committee have therefore sought to ascertain the extent and amount of unadjusted claims likely to be estab- lished against the Government. The amount of claims pending which have arisen under existing law, and are likely to be allowed by the ac- counting officers, is less than $40,000,000, and this will be scattered through several years, and paid out of funds already or hereafter to be appropriated from current receipts. This is exclusive of bounties under the act of the last Congress, the estimated amount of which yet to be paid is $45,000,000. These are estimated for as a part of the current expenditure, thus swelling the estimates for the current and next fiscal year far beyond the sums needed for the ordinary current expenses for the year. And so, since the war, large sums, amounting to over $200,000,000, properly chargeable as a part of the public debt, have been paid from the current receipts as a part of the current expendi- ture, and this sum should properly be added to the $267,000,000 of the liquidated debt paid since the 1st of August, 1865. A more detailed statement of the unhquidated debt will be submitted to the Senate at a later period of the session ; but for present purposes this debt may be regarded as a part of the current expenditure, and need not be 142 SPEECHES AND EEPOBTS OF JOHN SHERMAN. considered in any plan for funding the public debt, and will depend entirely upon the future action of Congress. This fact wiU restrain Congress from adopting principles which will swell its amount. Every new bounty bill, every new railroad subsidy, every new and unusual expenditure for internal improvement, every new principle adopted in the settlement of claims growing out of the war, will involve new taxes or new loans. Therefore, as an incident to every such measure, there should be a new tax levied or a new loan made. The vague and indefi- nite appropriations of money by Congress, growing out of the vast expenditure during the war, can no longer be continued without the utter destruction of the national credit, or such an increase of our taxes as wiU bring back to these halls new faces and new names. It is idle to disguise the fact that the increase of our extraordinary expenses and the weight of taxes have alarmed the people. Dismissing the unliquidated debt as depending entirely upon the future prudence of Congress, we come to consider the present condition of the five-twenty loans. As all of these are of the same legal character, differing only in their dates and time of redeemability, it will only be necessary to ex- amine the laws under which the original bonds were issued. These bonds were issued under the act of Congress passed February 25, 1862, entitled " An act to authorize the issue of United States notes, and for the redemption or funding thereof, and for funding the floating debt of the United States." The notes to be issued are provided for by the first section, and were limited to the sum of one hundred and fifty millions of dollars, fifty millions of which were to be exchanged for that amount of what were known as demand notes. These new notes were declared to " be receivable in payment of all taxes, internal duties, excises, debts, and demands of every kind due to the United States except duties on imports, and of all claims and demands against the United States of every kind whatsoever, except for interest upon bonds and notes, which shall be paid in coin, and shall be lawful money and a legal tender in payment of all debts, public and private, within the United States, ex- cept duties on imports and interest as aforesaid." This act does not rest the value of these notes solely upon the clauses making them a legal tender, and receivable for all public dues ; but it further provides, as an additional and the highest inducement for the people to take them, that the holder of any of them may de- posit them with the Treasui-er of the United States, and " shall receive in exchange therefor duplicate certificates of deposit, one of which may be transmitted to the Secretary of the Treasury, who shall there- upon issue to the holder an equal amount of bonds ot" the United States, coupon or registered, as may by said holder be desired, bearing interest at the rate of six per centum per annum, payable semi-annually, and re- deemable at the pleasure of the United Stat'os after five years, and pay- nble twenty years after the date thereof." Thus these notes were in- vested witli every possible security and value that could be given to them, except only that tlio holder'eould not demand their payment in coin. In lieu of such payment, the holder had the right to pay them THE PUBLIC DEBT. I43 for taxes, and for all public or private debts ; and, coin not being at- tainable, he might demand for them at their face the highest form of national security with interest at six per centum, payable in coin. The second section of this act provides " that, to enable the Secretary of the Treasury to fund the Treasury notes and floating debt of the United States, he is hereby authorized to issue on the credit of the United States coupon bonds or registered bonds to an amount not exceeding $500,000,000, redeemable at the pleasure of the United States after five years, and payable twenty years from date, and bearing interest at the rate of six per cent, per annum, payable semi-annually." On the 11th of July, 1862, before any of the five-twenty bonds were negotiated. Congress authorized the further issue of $150,000,000 of the United States notes, with a like provision to convert them into . bonds at par. On the 3d of March, 1863, before any considerable amount of the five-twenty bonds were negotiated, Congress authorized the further issue of $150,000,000 United States notes, and by the same act pro- vided that the holders of United States notes issued under and by virtue of said- acts should present the same for the purpose of exchang- ing the same for bonds, as therein provided, on or before the 1st day of July, 1863, and that thereafter the right so to exchange the same should cease and deternoine. The same act provides for the issue of $400,000,000 of Treasury notes, bearing interest at six per cent., which " for their face, excluding interest," were made " a legal tender to the same extent as the United States notes." This act provides "that the interest on said Treasury notes, and on certificates of indebtedness and deposit, shall be paid in lawful money." Ifothing was said in this act as to how the principal was payable, but all have been redeemed in lawful money. After these acts took effect the five-twenty bonds were negotiated. These several acts form the contract under which they were issued. ^0 subsequent act of Congress can vary that contract without the con- sent of. the holder of the bond ; and the contract must be construed ac- cording to the intention of the parties at the time, gathered from the words of these laws, and from the previous construction put by the Government upon similar words, and from the authorized declarations of the agents of the Government in negotiating the bonds. Your Com- mittee may go a step further, and say that, as there is no court high enough to sit in judgment upon the acts of the Government to its pub- lic creditors, those who act for the Government are bound in honor to observe the strictest faith. In dealing with this question, Congress does not act as the mere judge or jury confined by the written law. We are chancellors to administer equity, or rather we are arbitrators, chosen by the people of the United States, both debtor and creditor, and are under the highest obligation to do what is just and right. There is no appeal from our decision, and no power can reverse our judgment, except that popular opinion which, sooner or later, in a re- publican government becomes the established law. In construing this contract no pressure of necessity should induce us to violate any provisions of it, even if its execution is difiicult or its 14:4 SPEECHES AND REPORTS OF JOHN SHERMAN. terms hard. Public credit is the most sacred property of a nation, its reliance in war or danger, which, once inipaired or tarnished, entails upon the nation an irreparable loss. The Government of the United States has always faithfully observed its promises to. the public creditors, and will not now sanction any violation of them ; but justice to its peo- ple, who must, from their earnings and by taxes, make good these promises, demands that we should not impose burdens upon them not required by a fair construction of public engagements. The question now arises whether these five-twenty bonds are re- deemable at the expiration of five years from their date in any other money than the coin of the United States ? If tliis question rested solely upon the act of February 25, 1862, and the bonds had been negotiated under that act alone, it would be mani- festly a breach of faith to redeem the bonds with the present United States notes. They are very different from the first legal-tender notes, which, from the limited amount authorized, and the privilege to con- vert them into bonds, could not have had a less market value than the bonds. But it was found that with such restrictions upon the notes the bonds could not be negotiated, and it became necessary to depreci- ate the notes in order to create a market for the bonds. The limit of notes was trebled and the right to convert them taken away. The amount of United States notes in circulation when the bonds were ne- gotiated was equal to the amount now outstanding ; so that the ques- tion arises whether by the terms of these several acts the bonds may be redeemed with notes of the precise character paid for the bonds when negotiated by the United States. The law does not expressly provide that the principal is payable in coin, but does provide that the interest " shall be paid in coin," thus raising the implication that the principal may not be. To meet this implication it is shown that by the established policy of the Govern- ment the principal of the public debt has always been paid in coin without any stipulation to that effect. Your Committee have examined the various loan acts of the United States, and find no express stipula- tion to pay in coin ; but coin has always been paid, not only for the in- terest, but for the principal, both funded and unfunded— both for bonds and Treasury notes. This establishes the presumption that all public debts are payable in coin, unless the law under which they are issued expressly provides that they may be paid in a different mode ; and this stipulation must be made before the loan is negotiated. The act under which the five-twenty bonds were issued also pro- vides for the issue of United States notes, and declares that these notes " shall be lawful money and a legal tender in payment of all debts, PUBLIC or private." These notes were issued to an amount of $400,- 000,000 before the bonds were negotiated. It is claimed that this provision negatives tlie implication drawn from the payment of pre- vious loans in coin, especially as when previous loiins M'oro made and paid no other kind of money existed, or could hiwo been contem- plated. It is said, liowever, that the distinguished Secretary of the Treasury who negotiated the five-twenty loan gave a construction to this act at THE PUBLIC DEBT. I45 the time the loan was offered ; that this was announced to the people, and upon the faith of this the loan was taken. Tour Committee can find no official declaration made by the Secretary on this subject until after the loan was negotiated. On the 18th of May, 1864, he writes to Mr. Hooper that It has been the constant usage of the Department to redeem all coupon and registered bonds forming part of the funded or permanent debt of the United States in coin, and this usage has not been deviated from during my administration of its affairs. ■ The five-twenty sixes, being payable twenty years from date, though redeemable after five years, are considered as belonging to the funded or permanent debt ; and so also are the twenty-year sixes, into which the three-year seven-thirty notes are convertible. These bonds, therefore, according to the usage of the Government, are payable in coin. It is claimed that this language, used long after the bonds were negotiated, can not show the understanding of the parties when the bonds were taken, and that it does not amount to a construction of the law, but it simply affirms an admitted fact that the usage of the Gov- ernment had been to pay all its bonds in coin. The same declaration might have been made as to all issues of Treasury notes, compound- interest notes, or certificates of indebtedness, all of which are now paid in lawful money. Again, it is said that the agent employed by the Secretary did, in his advertisement, affirm that the principal and interest were payable in coin ; that this construction was acquiesced in by Congress, and induced thousands to take these bonds who would not otherwise have done so. To this it is replied that such a promise is not in accordance with the plain language of the law, and is not a binding construction of the law. No doubt the agent supposed that before the five years expired specie payments would be resumed. No one supposed that two years after the war was over greenbacks would still be depreciated. The advertisement was a supposition of a state of facts to occur five years afterward, rather than a legal construction of a public law accessible to all men. And it is contended that, conceding that the agents of the Govern- ment construed the law as binding the United States to pay the princi- pal of this debt in coin, yet this construction was not so generally acquiesced in and adopted by both parties to the contract as to create a moral obligation which the IJnited States is bound to execute to pre- serve its faith. Is it true that this construction was so generally ad- mitted' as to make it a part of the contract ? Congress uniformly refused to declare this construction as to the five-twenty bonds, but did do so as to the ten-forty bonds. And it is a further and very sig- nificant fact that every State in the Union, with, perhaps, the excep- tion of Massachusetts, put a different construction on this act. _ Every State had a public debt, which stood in precisely the same position as the national debt. Their bonds had uniformly been paid, principal and interest, in coin ; and yet under the law they held that their pubHc faith was complied with when they paid either principal or interest in legal-tender notes, and this construction was acquiesced in by their creditors. So corporations and private citizens who had contracted debts which by law and custom had been previously paid in coin con- 10 146 SPEECHES AND REPORTS OF JOHN SHERMAN. sidered themselves released, and were released, by pajmient in legal tenders. Now, by a well-established principle of the law of contracts, when it is sought to vary the meaning of the words of a contract by a cotemporaneous construction, it must be shown that both parties acquiesced in it, and understood and acted upon it in precisely the same sense, otherwise tlie words of the contract must govern. When a general rule is laid down, and an exception is made, it implies that there are no other exceptions. Duties on imported goods and interest on the public debt are ex- cepted from the legal-tender clause. This implies that the principal of the debt is not excepted. The construction drawn from the payment of previous loans in gold is answered by the fact that the act under which this loan was issued expressly declares that a note shall be law- ful money as well as gold, and shall be receivable in payment of public debts. Your Committee have deemed it their duty thus to present the argument in favor of redeeming the bonds in legal-tender notes, for it can not be concealed that this construction has been adopted by many who disclaim all purpose of evading the public engagements. Still the admitted facts remain that these bonds were generally taken ujDon the supposition that they would be paid in coin ; that this was explicitly declared by the authorized agents of the Government in negotiating the loan ; that such declaration must have been known by Congress and was not negatived ; that it was sanctioned by three successive Secretaries of the Treasury ; that upon the faith of it the bonds have been continually higher in market value than the notes ; and that a public sentiment both in this country and in Europe would, regard it as a breach of public faith. Public credit is so sensitive a quality that time can not restore it when impaired. It is bettfer far to forego a doubtful privilege if, in the judgment of impartial men, we have no right to exercise it. But the doubt should be promptly removed. The discussion of the question manifestly impairs the public credit. Until it is settled no new loan can be negotiated. The public mind becomes accustomed to the idea of repudiation, and the wildest schemes of paper money worthy of the days of John Law poison the fountains of public and private credit. It has been proposed that Congress, by joint resolution, declare that the five-twenty bonds are redeemable only in gold. This, instead of settling the question, will only create divisions and pai-ties, and the resolution, when passed, will be subject to agitation and repeal. These considerations induce your Committee, without deciding the question, to propose a substitution of new bonds, clear and exphcit in tlicir terms, for the five-twenty bonds as they become redeemable. This exchange must depend upon the voluntaiy consent of the holder, but it is believed that the great body of thein will readily make the exchange, and that the Government will be able to sell the new bonds at a rate that will redeem or purchase an equal amount of the five- twenty bonds. It is the manifest interest of the bond-holder, as well as of the tax-paver, to have his rights clearly defined and settled by Congress after full consideration, so that they will not be affected by THE PUBLIC DEBT. 147 any uncertainty as to the manner of payment. If this exchange is refused by the bond-holder, it will be time enough to determine whether by the condition of his bond he may not be paid in lawful money. Will this proposition operate harshly upon the public creditor? He holds a security now redeemable. No one can affirm that his right to receive gold is clear and unquestionable. The doubt now does im- pair the value of his security, and may lead to measures that will seriously affect it. The security substituted is of equal intrinsic value to that he surrenders ; it is explicit in its terms, and secures a reason- able rate of interest, free from all taxes. He has already received the interest in coin, according to the stipulation of the bond, thus securing a higher rate of interest on the money invested than is allowed by the policy of our laws to private creditors. Still, if your Committee, after a careful examination of the law, were convinced that it clearly required the payment of coin, they would advise that it be paid in coin. The meaning of the contract, and not its profit or loss, is the true rule of construction. To give more than js stipulated to the public creditor is to do injustice to the tax-payer ; to give less is to violate the public faith ; and we, as the representatives of both bond- holder and tax-payer, are not at liberty to do either. Your Committee have heretofore considered this question as involv- ing only the application of the present ITnited States notes, limited as they are to $400,000,000, to the redemption of the bonds. The question now arises, Can the United States in good faith avail itself of the depreciation of its notes to issue a greater amount of them than was provided for when the five-twenty bonds were sold, and with them to pay the bonds ? What is a United States note ? It is a prom- ise by the United States to' pay a specified sum on deniand. E'o legal- tender clause applies to this note. It is conceded that the money of the world, gold or silver coin, is the only money that can redeem this note. During the war this was impracticable, and therefore the United States gave to the note every valuable quality possible. It was made lawful money and a legal tender for other debts. Eut the obligation to pay this note in coia at the earliest moment practicable is a continu- ous obligation. Our failure to do it is the standing reproach of our financial system. It is the cause of all the discussions that have arisen in regard to our bonds. Until our promise is made good to pay the United States note in coin or its equivalent, on demand, we must suffer the reproach of partial repudiation. This does not consist merely in proposing to redeem our bonds in lawful money, but does consist in allowing our " lawful money," or promises to pay on demand, to con- tinue to be less valuable than gold or silver coin. Payment of the bonds in existing notes would not materially affect the market value of the bonds, for that value, increased as it would be by the provisions of this bill, would make both notes and bonds ap- proach nearer the standard of gold. The present issue of notes is held by the people, and can not be drawn into the Treasury except by taxa- tion. We hav^ already largely diminished internal taxes, and can not 148 SPEECHES AND KEP0ET8 OF JOHN SHERMAN. hope to receive over $30,000,000 in currency in excess of our expendi- tures. It is manifest that such a surplus revenue is insufficient to re- deem our bonds unless aided by a further issue of notes or a new loan. To pay off the original five-twenty loan, the only one now redeem- able, will require $500,000,000 more of paper money, to be stiU further increased as other loans become redeemable. The alarming proposition to do this has been made on the ground as a justification that the bond- holders bought these bonds with United States notes when gold was high, and are compensated by repayment in legal tenders. It is true that some of the later loans were paid for when legal tenders were largely depreciated by their excessive issue and the uncertain result of the war, but the first loan of $500,000,000 now to be redeemed was sold at par when gold averaged about thirty-five per cent, premium. By reference to the market price of gold in New York during the summer and fall of 1863, it appears that this loan was sold at an aver- age price of seventy-four cents in gold. The same bond can now be bought in the market in New York at seventy-six cents in gold. If you pay these bonds in legal tenders, limited in amount as they are now to less than $400,000,000, and with the privileges' conferred by this bill, the holder of the bond will realize seventy-six cents in gold, and will have the advantage of a rapid approximation of his notes or bonds to the gold standard. If we increase our paper money to an amount sufficient even to pay the first loan, he wUl not receive over thirty in gold, if, indeed, this act of injustice and repudiation does not, by destroying the pubhc credit, utterly destroy that in which yon pro- pose to pay a debt contracted when the enemies of the country were confident of its overthrow, when foreign nations and a large portion of our own people anticipated the permanent division-of the Union. This course once entered upon, the first debt thus paid, the rest wiU follow ; confidence thus destroyed, all values affected, the distress of the peo- ple will compel them to resort to barter and gold, and to the utter re- pudiation of the mass of paper money. So it was with the continental money ; so it was with the French assignats. Our forefathers had the excuse of a revolutionary struggle, on the result of which evervtliing was staked ; while the French revolution was a volcano whose excesses are acknowledged by all as the reproach of mankind. If we enter upon a similar career, we have no excuse. "We have accomplished all we fought for, and more than we hoped. No one doubts now our ability to meet the interest of our debt, and rapidly to pay the princi- pal. Our creditors are chiefly our own citizens, or those M-ho trusted and confided in us and in our cause. It is not our enemies we owe abroad, but our friends. Our debt is not only the capital of the rich, but it is the savings of the poor, the widow, and the orphan. Our " greenback," whicli it is proposed to depreciate, is not only the standard of value for tlio capitalist, but fixes the pension of the wounded soldier, the value of the workman's labor and of the ai'tisan's skill. The capitalist may raise his rent or his price as we depreciate the standard, but the laborer can not increase his wages. The poor feel more severely all inflations of the currency, while the rich often urge THE PUBLIC DEBT. I49 them in order to add to the prices of their commodities and to evade the payment of taxes. Now, this policy is desired to float upon the people large stocks of goods at high prices. It is to shift the loss from those who hold the goods to those who buy and consiime them. Your Committee know that a demand often comes to us to make money easy by increasing the amount. We need not refer to writers on poKtical economy to show that an increase of paper circulation does not add to the wealth of a community ; it only adds to the prices of commodities at the expense of the consumer. The wages of labor do not rise with the price of food and of rents. Paper money convertible into gold promotes exchanges and adds to production. Paper money not con- vertible is a device to lessen wages, to increase capital, to add to the value of accumulated wealth. When it perishes by failure or repudia- tion, it is mainly in the hands of the poor, received as wages, or of the middle classes engaged in active business, while the capitalists by in- vesting in property escape all loss. War and great public necessity are held to justify the coining of public credit into money, but the device should cease as rapidly as possible after the necessity passes away. Tour Committee are therefore of opinion that no legal-tender notes beyond the amount now authorized by law should be issued under any pressure of financial or political necessity until they are convertible into gold and silver. Our duty is to elevate the "greenback," the standard of national credit, to the standard of gold, the money of the world. Until then we are not on a substantial foundation. Let us make the dollar of our promise in the pocket of a laboring man equal to the dollar of our mint. The rapidity of the process is a question of public policy. It may be by gradually diminishing the volume of cur- rency, or by leaving it at its present amount until increased business or improved credit brings the currency up to the specie standard. The discretion left with the Secretary to diminish it may be withdrawn, Hmited, or extended as public policy dictates; but no necessity, no plausible pretext, to diminish the burdens of taxation can justify us in increasing the volume of legal tenders. E^ow that the war is over, we should look squarely and' hopefully to the time when we shall pay gold, not only to the holder of our bonds, but to all persons in public or pri- vate business. Not only is this obvious public policy, but it is the express agree- ment with the public creditors. On the '30th of June, 1864, at the darkest period of the war, when it was feared that the amount of legal tenders would destroy our ability to borrow money, we provided, in the second section of the loan act of that date, " nor shall the total amount of United States notes issued, or to be issued, ever exceed $400,000,- 000, and such additional sum, not exceeding $50,000,000, as may be temporarily required for the redemption of temporary loan." This stipulation is a part of the terms upon which the seven-thirty loan was issued, and is as binding upon the United States as any other part of the contract. It received the unanimous vote of Congress, so far as the journals show, and was plainly demanded by public policy at the time, and was a pledge of the public faith. Shall this -be violated under pretense of diminishing the public burdens ? Every increase of 150 SPEECHES AND REP0ET8 OF JOHN SHERMAN. legal tenders impairs the value of our public securities. If we may violate this, we may violate any other part of the contract. Your Committee therefore dismiss as inconsistent with the public faith any scheme of paying the public debt in legal tenders by increasing their volume beyond the sum of $400,000,000. ' The surplus revenue can readily be applied to the payment of the five-twenties, as is now daily done by the purchase of our securities in the open market. Your Committee are satisfied that this fund, with the aid of such a loan as is provided in the bill herewith submittedj will redeem the five-twenty loans as they become redeemable, with a large saving to the public treasury, and in strict accordance with the public engagements. It now remains to consider the terms of the proposed loan, and the proper means to restore the notes of the United States to a specie value. In the new loan your Committee deem it essential to adjust the question of taxation. State and national, of the public securities. The exemption of these securities from State and local taxes has been the subject of wide-spread complaint and irritation. It is difficult to reconcile the duty of the United States to preserve unimpaired its un- doubted power to borrow money on the public credit with the reason- able demand that aU property should bear its just proportion of the burdens of taxation. Your Committee can only claim that they have given the subject the most careful consideration, and submit a plan as free from objection as any that has been proposed. The exemption of public securities is not the result of any act of Congress. It grows out of the provision of the Constitution of the United States which secures to Congress the power to borrow money, and out of the supreme nature of that power, which cannot be affected or limited by the act of any State or local government. In the ab- sence of any legislation, the Supreme Court have repeatedly held that no State can levy upon money invested in any public security any tax or assessment whatever, on the ground that such a tax is inconsistent with the power of Congress to borrow money. If a State may tax a security of the United States, it may entirely defeat a power essential to the existence of the Government. These' decisions have been so often repeated, and are founded upon reasons so conclusive and ob\-i- ous, that they may be considered as settled constitutional law. It is true. Congress may, in negotiating a loan, reserve to the State the ex- press power to levy taxes on public securities held within the State. This reservation would become a part of the contract, and would be a valid stipulation. The effect of State taxation would be that, in many of the States where the taxes are high, no public securities would "lie held. This would be especially so m largo cities, now the best market for our securities, and where local taxes often amount to three per cent. With such a pT'ovision, no loan could be negotiated except at such rates of interest as would add largely to the puolic burdens. It has been pro- posed to limit State taxes to one per cent. ; but this is a discrimination as liable to objection as an entire exemption, and yet would add to the public burdens one per cent, of the entire loan. It would not meet the local demand for taxes for local purposes. Your Committee are THE PUBLIC DEBT. 151 therefore of opinion tliat it would not be wise in a loan law to waive the constitutional right of exemption pf Government securities from State taxes. But that all property protected by State or local laws should bear its • share of taxation is so plainly the demand of justice and public policy, that your Committee deem it wise to reserve, in lieu of local taxes, a specihc rate on the entire debt hereafter negotiated, and to distribute this among the States according to their population. The amount thus reserved will, in the aggregate, equal the probable amount that would be collected by the States from the capital loaned to the Government. From the nature of public securities being easy of concealment, readi- ly transferred or deposited out of the "State, it is probable that but a small portion would be reached by taxation ; while the mode suggested would secure each State a fixed sum', collected without expense and without surrendering the power of the National Government over its loans, or of impeding the ready transfer of the public securities. If it is objected that the distribution proposed is not just to the States whose citizens hold a larger proportion of the bonds, it may be replied that no better rule of distribution can be proposed, and the ad- vantage, if any, will accrue to the younger and poorer States, where any taxation is more severely felt. This adjustment will relieve the bond-holder from the reproach of enjoying State law and local privileges without contributing to the pub- lic expenses, and will increase the demand for public securities, and thus enable the Government to sell them at more favorable rates. The ob- vious payment by the bond-holder of one sixth of his income for taxes, and the great relief the distribution of so large a sum to the States will give them, in the payment of State debts and the means of lessening taxes, will satisfy the well-founded complaint now made by the owners of real and personal property. The same adjustment is proposed in regard to national taxes. It has often been contended that a nation had no right to levy taxes upon money loaned to it by its own or foreign citizens. This view was main- tained with great ability by Alexander Hamilton in his celebrated re- port on public credit, made January 16, 1Y95 ; but the practice of sev- eral European nations, as well as of the United States during the war, has established a different rule. The income tax of Great Britain and of the United States extends to incomes derived from Government se- curities ; but in practice this tax does not prove a productive source of revenue. So many incomes fall below $1,000, the minimuiji of taxable incomes, so many bonds are held abroad or by corporations who are taxed in a different way, and so much income is concealed, that the in- ternal revenue reports show that but a small sum is collected as the rev- enue from incomes from public securities. It has been suggested that a special tax be levied by Congress on Government securities. Such a tax would be a palpable violation of public faith, unless extended to all other securities, as State, corpora- tion, or personal securities. To select any one class of securities from other securities producing a fixed income, and to levy upon it a special burden, would not only be an unjust taxation, condemned by all writers 152 SPEECHES AND REPORTS OF JOHN SHERMAN. on political economy, not practiced by any other nation, but, as your Committee believe, would be inconsistent with the Constitution of the United States and likely to be defeated by the courts. And the injus- tice of such a tax is more marked when the security selected is a pub- lic security, to the payment of which the faith of the nation is pledged, and when the admitted purpose of such a tax is to neutralize a consti- tutional and legal exemption. As an adjustment of the income tax now levied, your Committee propose a like reservation as for the States, the proceeds, with such other funds as Congress may provide, to be directly applied to the pur- chase or payment of the principal of the debt. The other provisions in regard to the loan are similar to those in existing acts. Tour Committee deem it important to retain the prin- ciple of redeemableness after a short period, thus enabling the Govern- ment to avail itself of a favorable state of the money market by stiU further reducing the interest. This loan will secure to the bond-holder a net five per cent, annuity, payable — principal and interest — ^in coin, and redeemable after ten years. Such a loan, upon the basis of the present circulation, it is believed, can promptly be negotiated. Your Committee deem it proper to provide for a foreign loan, to be negotiated at the discretion of the Secretary of the Treasury. It is computed that the amount of our securities held abroad exceeds three hundred millions of dollars. These are mainly coupon bonds of the first issue of the five-twenty loan. The interest is payable in New York, by reason of which the holders are at considerable expense in collecting their coupons. The nature of these bonds is such that they are liable to be thrown suddenly upon our market by war, panic, or other causes. For this reason our markets are unduly affected by fluc- tuations, caused by events in which we have no part. It is believed a loan can now be made, sufficient to redeem all the five-twenty bonds held in Europe, at a rate of interest not exceeding five per cent., and registered in London or Frankfort, so that it can not be thrown upon our market at periods of alarm and stringency. The exchange is fixed at a rate which wiU more than cover all expense of transferring funds, and in harmony with the great system now proposed by the continental nations, by which the gbld coin of equal value of all Christian nations wi-U be convertible and exchangeable without loss or discount. Your Committee regard the provisions of the bill designed to give increased value to the United States note as of the greatest importance. When the United States failed to meet its engagements in coin, it sub- stituted its notes and gave to them every vdue possible. When the legal-tender act of February 25, 1862, took effect, gold was at a pre- mium of three per cent. That act not only made the United States notes legal tender for public and private debts, but made them con- vertible, at the pleasure of the holder, into bonds of the United States. This provision was regarded as of the highest importance, without which your Committee are satisfied the legal-tender clause could not at that time have passed Congress. It was founded upon the manifest principle that, when we coukl only pay in our notes and compelled all our citizens to receive them, we ought to receive them for our bonds. THE PUBLIC DEBT. I53 The note is a contract no less sacred than the bond. By any equitable rule it should bear interest. All former notes issued by the United States bore interest^those during the war of 1812 at the rate of 5f per cent., those during the Mexican war not exceeding six per cent. So the exchequer bills of England forming a national currency bear interest. This incident to a United States note past due was only waived by making them convertible into an interest-bearing security. This right was plainly printed on the face of the note ; but it was found to embarrass the Treasury in negotiating its loan when under the pressure of war, and therefore, by the act of March 3, 1861, it was provided " that the holders of United States notes, issued under and by virtue of said act, shall present the same for the pui-pose of exchang- ing the same for bonds, as therein provided, on or before the first day of July, 1863, and thereafter the right so to exchange the same shall cease and determine." This device to suspend the right of converti- bility attached to the note was suggested by our late distinguished colleague. Judge Collamer, and was only justified by the necessity then resting upon us of forcing upon the. market all forms of pub- lic securities. The necessity no longer exists, and your Committee think the right ought to be restored. If we cannot pay our note in coin, let us pay it in the next best commodity, a bond of the United States. The value of the note now rests solely upon the compulsory value given it by the legal-tender clause ; then it will be anchored on the solid basis of an annuity payable in coin. This measure alone will give the " greenback " the market value of a bond, while heretofore, Qiough made the legal standard of value, it has been and now is the least valuable form of Government security. Another highly important effect of this provision is to take from the Secretary of the Treasury his power to control the currency. Under existing law he is authorized, at his discretion, to contract the currency at the rate of four millions of dollars per month, and there is no provision to adapt the volume of currency to the ever- changing demands of trade and commerce. This power, though no doubt exercised by the Secretary with the sole view of promoting the public interests, is one not properly invested in any officer constantly engaged in official duties, and it is the cause of widespread complaint. 1^0 one engaged in business can base his calculations upon a currency depending not on supply and demand, but upon the discretion of a single officer. If currency is scarce, the Secretary is blamed ; if it is redundant, he is charged with inflating prices. The Government should have no power over the currency except to stamp it with the highest credit, and by general rules, known to all men, to limit its amount. All fluctuations of the currency, affecting, as they do, the prices of all commodities, should be left solely to the laws of demand and supply. Upon these business men base their transactions, and should have the beneflt of their sagacity without being affected by the arbitrary discretion of the Government. The plan proposed establishes the maximum of currency at the amount fixed by law, and it may be diminished by payment for taxes and its conversion into .bonds. These processes would, it is believed, 154 SPEECHES AND REPORTS OF JOHN SHERMAN. rapidly restore our currency to the standard of gold without the severe disturbance and uncertainty caused by the present system. When the restored credit of the Government advances the market value of our bonds to the eold standard, specie payrnents may be resumed and maintained. This plan is in accordance with the uniform practice of our Government prior to July 1, 1863, and of Great Britain during the long period of the suspension of specie paymentSj from 1797 to 1823. The holder of paper money was allowed at any time to convert it into a bond or annuity. The note forced upon the people during a suspension of specie payments was never allowed to be of less value than other securities held by public creditors. It may be alleged that this plan would contract the currency too rapidly ; that, when trade was inactive and money plenty, it would be converted into bonds ; and when active business operations were re- sumed, as by the movement of crops or similar fluctuations of trade, the currency would be insufficient and money too scarce, causing great stringency and depression of prices. Such would undoubtedly be the effect, and it is mainly to fm*nish this fluctuating currency that banks of issue are established by most commercial nations. The usefulness of the national banks is now impaired by the suspension of specie pay- ments. Their currency is now not a fluctuating one, but a permanent one. Their issues are not returned when trade is idle, and therefore they are unable to relieve a sudden stringency in the money market. It is to avoid this difficulty that during the suspension of specie payments your Committee proposethat any holder of the five-twenty bonds, or the consolidated bonds, may, under suitable regulations, and within the limit of $400,000,000, present them at the Treasmy and receive in exchange United States notes. This would make a currency convertible into bonds, and M-ithin proper limits a debt convertible into currency, and its fluctuations would depend entirely upon the wants of trade and commerce, and not in any respect upon the discretion of the Secretary. The money paid into the Treasury for taxes or bonds would be a bank, or reserve, suffi- cient for the negotiation of the new loan, for the redemption of the flve-twenty bonds, and for exchange for bonds. It may be objected that this would continue indefinitely the suspen- sion of specie payments. Your Committee, being sincerely desii'ous of avoiding this result, have given this objection the most careful con- sideration, and are of the opinion that experience, the only test of such a proposition, will show a contrary effect. The holder of an annuity yielding five per cent, in gold, free from all taxes, will not surrender it for a note only valuable as a currency, unless the demand for currency is urgent and sti'ingeut, and then "it ought to be relieved. It will happen that in one pai-t of the country bonds will bo exchanged for notes, and in another ]iart notes for bonds"; at one season money, being idle, will bo converted into bonds, to be returnable ngain for money when it is needed. This process will give increased value both to the notes and bonds, and enable the Govern- ment eventually to restore both to the standard of gold, when the vast productions of our mines and the accumulated gold now hoarded by THE PUBLIC DEBT. I55 OTir people will take its place as the best and the only true currency. Then the banks, restrained by the necessity of redeeming their notes in coin, will perform their appropriate function of furnishing a valuable currency convertible into coin. If in practice it is found that the conversion of bonds into money needs further limitation, either by reducing the maximum limit or by charging a percentage, it may be provided for by Congress. The con- version IS not a right secured to the bond-holder as a part of his con- tract, but is simply a privilege designed to regulate the currency, and may be modified or withdrawn according to the judgment of Con- Your Committee are of the opinion that the time is not distant when it will become the duty of Congress to repeal so much of existing laws as makes the United States notes a legal tender in payment of debts, either public or private. This provision was adopted with ex- treme reluctance and unde;r the pressure of overwhelming necessity. The debates in Congress at the time this measure was adopted show conclusively, that it was universally regarded as a temporary expedient. It is inconsistent with sound financial principles, and was never re- sorted to since the commencement of the present Government until February 25, 1862. The evils produced by continental money were so fresh in the minds of the founders of the Government that during the financial difficulties that followed the adoption of the Constitution no one proposed such an expedient. During the war of 1812, when finan- cial embarrassments had impaired the revenue and destroyed the public credit, a limited-tender Treasury note was proposed, but was promptly rejected. Mr. Dallas, in a communication to the Committee of Ways and Means, declared " that the extremity of that day can not be anti- cipated when any honest and enlightened statesman will again venture upon the desperate expedient of a tender law." We were driven to that extremity, but should hasten to abandon so desperate a remedy at the earliest day practicable. The moment at which we can restore our notes to a specie standard should be signalized by a return to correct principles, and our United States notes should stand like aU other paper money, receivable only at the pleasure of the creditor. Tour Committee, having thus stated their views upon the different propositions of this biU, beg leave to add that they do not consider this measure as embracing all the financial measures demanded by the pub- lic interest ; but they present it in the hope that it may not be embar- rassed by other financial problems now exciting general discussion. Yarious propositions relating to the national banking system are under consideration by your Committee, and will be carefully examined. Whatever view may be taken by Congress as to the continued existence of this system, it .is manifest, from the report of the Comptroller of the Currency, that a more equitable distribution of the banks among the States, and new provisions for reports and for the redemption of their notes, must be made. It is equally manifest that further provision must be made for the collection of certain internal taxes, and the re- mission of others. It is only by relieving our industry, and applying our taxes as far as practicable to articles the consumption of which may 156 SPEECHES AND EEPORTS OF JOHN SHERMAN. be dispensed with, that we can hope to establish our system on a satis- factory basis. We may justly boast of the manner our constituents have heretofore borne tne vast aggregate of accumulated taxes caused by the war. They have cheerfully paid a greater amount in the aggre- gate, or per capita, than any other nation before ; and, if necessary to preserve the public engagement, they would continue to do so, but the necessity no longer exists. It is happily our duty to select from among the great number of articles now taxed such as may now be relieved, and to simplify the mode of collecting the tax on the residue. This your Committee, in connection with that of the House of Representa- tives, are prepared to do ; but, as preliminary to all these important subjects, it is necessary to relieve the public mind from anxiety as to the action of Congress on the subjects embraced in this bill. THE FUNDING BILL. IN THE SENATE, FEBRUABT 27, 1868. The Senate having under consideration the bill for funding the national debt and for the conversion of the notes of the United States, Mr. Sherman said : Mr. PEEsroENT : The attention of the Senate has been so long occu- fied with grave political questions deeply exciting the public mind, that have no doubt it will appear a duU change in our debate to turn to ques- tions purely of a financial and economic character ; yet, as our constitu- ents are laboring under the burdens of taxation and the acknowledged evils of a depreciated cmTency, and demand relief from us, it becomes the imperative duty of Congress to give attention to this subject. The House of Eepresentatives is now engaged in the performance of its constitutional duty of diminishing taxes ; and your Committee on Fi- nance deem it their duty to lessen, if possible, the burdens of the public debt, and to give increased value to the United States notes, now made the compulsory basis of our circulation. We have, therefore, reported this bill after careful consideration. In advocating it, I do not appeal to any political bias ; I do not appeal to any sectional interest ; nor ha,ve I any pride of opinion ; and I shall only appeal to those consider- ations which actuate us all alike, the desire to relieve our people from all the burdens of taxation consistent with the public faith. The Committee on Finance acknowledge that it is the fii-st and highest duty of a Government to maintain "inviolate the public credit. A strict compliance with public engagements is the fii-st (hity of every legislative body. Public credit is the highest property of a nation, its sure reliance in time of danger and war; it is a more valuable property than any other, and is not to he tnrnished or soiled by anv consMeration whatever. But, subordiniito to this great in-inciple, it'is our duty as legislators to relieve our constituents from every exaction not demanded by the national safety or the public interests. We have a right to take THE FUNDING BILL. 15 7 from our people their money to the extent necessary to carry on the ordinary expenses of the Government and maintain the public faith, but not one cent further. The great mass of mankind have nothing to protect except the reward of their daily labor. This is their only capi- tal. In every community — and ours is more favored than most in this particular — =the majority of men depend only iipon their daily labor, and enjoy nothing of the blessings of civil government except in the protection of the result of that labor. It is, therefore, our duty not to take one cent from them unless it is demanded by the public exigencies. It is with this view, and actuated by this principle, that the Com- mittee on Fiaance have endeavored to make this bill a bill of relief, reducing, if possible, consistently with the public faith, the interest of the public debt, and giving increased value to United States notes. We have endeavored in this bill to accomphsh three results : first, to reduce the rate of interest with the voluntary consent of the holders of our securities ; second, to make a distinct provision for the payment of the public debt ; and third, to give increased value to United States notes, and to provide for a gradud resumption of specie payments. All these are objects admitted to be of the highest importance. The only ques- tion is, whether the measure proposed tends to accomplish them. The body of our public debt consists mainly of securities commonly known as the five-twenty bonds. ]S"early all of the debt of the United States is either reduced already to that form of security, or is reducible within a very short period of time. I have prepared a statement from the official documents showing the amount and time of maturity of the five-twenty bonds. There are of the first issue, which became redeem- able on the 30th of April, 1867, how outstanding $514,780,500. Of the second issue there wall be redeemable on the 31st of October of next year $129,443,800 ; there will be redeemable on the 30th of June, 1870, $301,880,250, and on the 31st of October, 1870, $181,427,250. There are of the seven-thirties, which have either been funded into five-twenties or are in process of being funded, something over $480,- 000,000, making an aggregate of what might now be regarded as five- twenty bonds of $1,613,442,650, of which a little over $200,000,000 is yet in the form of seven-thirties, and will be funded before the 1st day of July next. In addition to this, there are of debts that are now matured, or which will mature this summer, an aggregate of $106,042,- 949, consisting chiefly of compound-interest notes and three per cent, certificates, makiag with the bonds mentioned $1,719,485,599, all of which are either redeemable now or will become so within five years from this time; the great body of them, however, are redeemable within the present and the next year. The first question that arises, Mr. President, is whether it is wise now to provide for the redemption of these bonds. "We are compelled to consider this question. It is already made the subject of political disputes. While it is being considered by us in Congress it is being considered by the people, and there is a daily discussion all over this broad country as to how and when the five-twenties shall be redeemed. Especially in the West this has been made the subject of political con- tention. I might show you by the resolutions of political parties, both 158 SPEECHES AND REPORTS OF JOHN SHERMAN. Eepublican and Democratic, that we cannot avoid or evade this issue. We must meet it. I have here the resolutions of both political parties in the State of Indiana, both declaring that these bonds ought to be paid in greenbacks, and differing only as to the limit of greenbacks. I have also resolutions adopted in different parts of the country. The tenden- cy of the Democratic party is to drift into a political declaration that these bonds shall be paid in greenbacks ; and great masses of patriotic men aU over the country of the political faith to which the majontv of the Senate belong have come to the same concluBion. We are, thereiore, compelled to consider the question. It will be made the basis of every election next fall in nearly all the northwestern States. No man can be elected to Congress unless he commits himself for or against this proposition. Sir, it was the first topic that was introduced into this session of Congress in both Houses. My honorable friend from Vermont [Mr. Edmunds], in a very elaborate speech, and altogether the best one yet presented on his side of the case, introduced it on the first or second day of the session. The same subject was presented in the House of Representatives by a distinguished^ Representative from the same por- tion of the country, taking the opposite view. It is now more dis- cussed than any other question except the question of reconstruction. It must be met by us here, and in anticipation of the movements of political parties. If other Senators have not, I certainly have been overwhelmed with propositions of all kinds from every part of the country, proposing various schemes of finance affecting the very ques- tion proposed to be dealt with by this biU. My own conviction is that the question ought to have been settled two years ago, at which time I addressed the Senate on the subject. Mr. President, I believe that most reflecting men wiU now admit that if then we had adopted some provision, cotiiprehensiye in its charac- ter, to fund the public debt and to provide for the redemption of the five-twenty bonds when they became redeemable, it would have been wiser. At tliat time no portion of them was redeemable. The first ones became redeemable about one year ago ; but the country was then filled with the idea of Mr. McCulloch, that the only safety was in con- traction, to get back to specie payments before anything was done ■with the public debt ; and the policy was adopted of authorizing a contrac- tion of the currency without any regard to funding whatever, by tlie act of April 12, 1866, passed against my earnest protest, in which we gave to the Secretary of the Treasury almost unlimited power over the currency and over the public debt. We authorized him to convert every form of indebtedness into any form of indebtedness provided for by previous acts. There was no limitation upon his powers except that he could reduce the greenback currency oi\ly at the rate of $-l:,000,000 per raontli. I have no doubt that he exorcised his power conscien- tiously ; but what has been the result ? Within two years he contracted the legal-tondcr currency $160,000,000, and the plain United States notes over $40,000,000. Ilo also converted all the floating-currency debt into gold-interest bonds. At the time this law was passed, April I 'J, 1S(;6, the total amount of five-twenty bonds was $666,000,000, and the great mass of the debt was in what are called currency obligations, THE FUNDING BILL. ' 159 the principal of which, undoubtedly, could have been paid in currency. But, conscientiously believing, as "he did, that the best way to the re- sumption of specie payments was by a rapid and steady contraction of the currency, he entered upon the policy I have stated. In April, 1866, the price of gold was 125. It had steadily declined from the close of the war until it reached its lowest point, I believe, in April, 1866, the very time of the passage of this law. From that time to this gold has advanced, varying between 130 and 140 ; and are we any nearer specie payments now than we were then ? Not at all. We have converted our debt into a more oppressive form of obligation. The interest of the great mass of it is now payable in gold at the high rate of six per cent., and the bonds are less valuable in gold than then. I still think that, if we had looked rather to the funding of the debt with the currency then afloat, we could have passed the whole of it into five per cent, ten-forty bonds at par, instead of into a six per cent. loan. The state of the money market since then justifies this opinion. If the bill I refer to had passed two years ago, a great part of our debt would have gone into the five per cent, loan provided for by it, and the coun- try would have been saved many millions of gold per annum, and would have escaped the dangerous question now presented to us. Let us now consider the legal meaning of the contract between the United States and the holders of the five-twenty bonds. Mr. President, this form of debt contains one feature that was con- sidered its chief virtue, and that is the right of redemption after five years. We all remember the time when this first five-twenty loan was introduced. Up to that moment the bonds that had been sold were long bonds, payable twenty years after their date, now called the bonds of '81 ; but in February, 1862, Congress for the first time, upon the recommendation of the then Secretary of the Treasury, introduced the idea of retaining the right to redeem the bonds after five years. This right was considered the most favorable feature of that loan. The Secretary of the Treasury, in his report to Congress, said it was im- portant to retain the right to redeem the principal of the debt with a view at any time to take advantage of the money market and reduce the rate of interest ; and he proposed, and upon his recommendation Congress concurred in the idea, that in future loans a short time should be fixed after which the debt might be redeemed, while a longer time was fixed within which the debt must be paid. This was a valuable privilege reserved by the United States for a valuable purpose. We were then engaged in war, and by the experience of nations it was Imown that during war we must submit to hard and exacting terms in order to borrow money ; but the right to get better terms at the end of five years was reserved. Sow, the question arises, how may these five-twenty bonds be re- deemed? Four different modes have been suggested, in regard to each of which I intend to make a few observations ; these plans are : First. That these bonds may be paid, the principal in gold, at any time after five years. Second. That these bonds may be paid by a new issue of legal ten- ders similar in character to the kind issued when they were sold. 160 SPEECHES AND KEPORTS OF JOHN SHERMAN. Third. That either by selling a new bond or by levying taxes we may draw into the Treasury existing United States notes, and with those pay off or redeem the five-twenties. Fourth. The plan suggested by the Committee of giving to the holder of the bond at his option the right to take another bond bearing a less rate of interest. Mr. President, let me briefly present the vie.w taken of these dif- ferent propositions. Is the United States bound in law or equity to postpone the redemption of the five-twenties until the;^ rise to par in gold ? My friend from Vermont discussed this question with great ability, and he' aflSrmed that we were so bound ; that we had no right to redeem these bonds until the bonds rose to par in gold. That is his position, and he maintained it with great force. ISTow, I confess that this would undoubtedly be the rule as to the bonds issued ))efore the act of February 25, 1862 ; and the Secretary of the Treasury has always properly decided that bonds issued before the legal-tender act took effect must be so paid in gold; and why? The bonds issued in 1861 were issued when no one contemplated any other mode of payment, when there was no money in which to pay except gold and silver coin. This question was first presented to Sec- retary Chase and decided by him when a portion of the Texas loan matured in the fall of 1862. A small portion of that debt matured, and he paid it in gold. His decision, to which I shall have occasion to refer in discussing another point of this subject, was not based at all upon the question of legal tender ; it did not raise the question ; but it was decided upon the ground that as gold was paid for those bonds, gold must be returned to the bond-holder. A Government may, as a matter of paramount authority, compel its citizens as between each other to receive and pay out its notes as money on preexisting contracts ; but it has no right to debase its money to make the payment of its own debts easier, we may, if there is no stipulation to the contrary, pay in that kind of coin or money which existed when the debt was created ; but, after we have created a debt and have received gold or good money, we cannot then debase the coin and pay the debt in inferior coin. Although we may change contracts between individuals, we have no right to do it as between ourselves and public creditors. A nation in dealing with a public creditor stands on a different footing from what it does in regard to transactions be- tween individuals of that nation. The only rule is the contract, and we can not change that without being guilty of repudiation. I there- fore assume that all the old bonds issued bejfore the legal-tender act are payable in coin. But the question is, whether the bonds issued since the legal-tender act took effect may be paid in legal tenders. Upon this question, I may as well state now, the Committee on Finance do not pass any opinion ; and in the observations I make on this point I speak for my- self, not for them. They deem the occasion a proper one to offer an exchange to the public creditor, leaving for the future to settle the re- sult of a refusal. The act which provided for the legal tenders al?o provided for the five-twenty bonds. However, the notes were issued THE FUNDING BILL. 161 before the bonds ; tbe notes were all outstanding before a single bond was issued. Now, the legal-tender clause provides that : Such notes herein authorized shall be receiyahle in payment of all taxes, inter- nal duties, excises, debts, and demands of every kind due to the United States, except duties on imports, and of all claims and demands against the United States of every kind whatsoever, except for interest upon bonds and notes, which shall be paid in coin, and shall also be lawful money and a legal tender in payment of all debts, public and private, within the United States, except duties on imports and interest as aforesaid. Does not this act, in so many words, declare that while coin shall be paid "for the interest of the public debt, yet the notes provided by this act shall be a lawful tender in payment of all public debts? It is admitted that if the matter stood on the legal-tender clause there would be no doubt, th^ere could be no resisting the conclusion, that the legal contract between the G-ovemment and bond-holder was that the interest should be paid in coin, and the principal should be paid in the kind of legal tenders specified by this act. The act further provides that the amount of legal tenders shall be limited to $150,000,- 000. It also provides that the holder of these legal tenders may at any time convert them into five-twenty bonds ; and the second section provides for the issue of those bonds. If the bonds had been issued and negotiated solely under the act of February 25, 1862, it would have been irresistible logic that it was not contemplated that the $500,'- 000,000 authorized by the act should be paid with $150,000,000 legal tenders, themselves convertible into bonds. But no bonds were issued under that act. Every one of the restrictions as to the amount of legal tenders was repealed before the bonds were negotiated. In July fol- lowing, before a single bond was sold, the limitation as to the amount of legal tenders was increased to $300,000,000. In December follow- ing the Secretary had failed to negotiate the five-twenty loan ; and in his report, to which I will now refer, he' says that it is impossible for him, under the restrictions contained in these acts, to sell the bonds ; that after all his efforts he has sold only a few millions ; that the loan has been a failure, and he asks for additional legislation. I now ask attention to that report. He states the failure to negotiate the five- twenty loan, and then says : The act of last session [the one to which I have already referred] authorized the Secretary to issue bonds of the United States, already often mentioned as five- twenties, to the amount of $500,000,000, and to dispose of them for coin or United States notes at the market value thereof. In the same act authority was given to issue $150,000, OOO'in United States notes, which authority was afterward enlarged to $360,000,000 ; and it was provided that any holder of such notes to the amount of fifty dollars, or any multiple of fifty, might exchange them for five-twenty bonds at par. The effect of these provisions was to make negotiations of considerable amounts impossible ; for considerable amounts are seldom taken, except with a view to re- sales at a profit, and resales at any profit are impossible under the law. Then he goes on to say : The Secretary respectfully recommends the repeal of both these provisions. The first imposes, it is believed, a restriction which Congress did not intend ; and the second has been followed by the inconveniences which were feared rather than by the benefits which were expected. 11 162 SPEECHES AND REPORTS OF JOHN SHERMAN. Then he goes on to say : Should Congress, however, be of opinion that these clauses should be retained, it will be necessary to provide for other laws, at rates more favorable to the takers than convertibility into five-twenties. This can be done either by authorizing bonds at longer time or by increasing the rates of interest offered. The Secretary can not recommend either course except as an alternative to no provision at all. When we were called upon to consider this question we had to choose between three alternatives : the repeal of the restrictions which prevented the sale of five-twenty bonds, or the sale of the bonds at a higher rate of interest, or their sale below par. After long considera- tion — for the subject was debated over and over again — the Committee on Finance agreed upon the act of March 3, 1863. That act repealed the limit as to the amount of circulation and raised it to $i50,000,000 ; it also took away the right to convert, which the Secretary said was the other restriction that prevented the sale of the bonds, and limited the right of the holders to convert the outstanding greenbacks to the 1st of July then next. By this legislation the limitations which prevented the sale of the first five-twenty *bonds were repealed, and then, for the first time, this loan was taken. Then it was that an agency was organ- ized and means were taken to spread the bonds over the country, and they were sold ; but they were not sold until these restrictions were removed, and they were sold upon a basis of $450,000,000, without the right of redemption, with no privilege whatever except that of being receivable in payment of taxes. That was the state of the law upon which the legal right of the holders of the five-twenties rests. People refused to buy these bonds upon the terms of the act of February 25, 1862. They did buy tKem under the act of March 3, 1863 ; and it is idle to rest their claims upon restrictions repealed before the bonds were issued. I wish to read a little further, to show that the Secretary of the Treasury, Mr. Chase, a year afterward, in December, 1863, in his report, again stated that Congress, having relieved him from the restrictions of the act of 1862, enabled him to sell the five-twenty bonds. He says : On that day, March 3, 1863, the act to provide ways and means for the support of the Government received the approval of the President and became law. In ad- dition to various provisions for loans, it contained clauses repealing the restrictions affecting the negotiation of the five-twenties, and thus disengaged that important loan from the embarrassments which had previously rendered it almost unavailable. Then he goes on and says that every dollar of the loan \fas sold in a short time, presenting a remarkable case of success ; but it wiis not sold under the act of Febmary 25, 1862. On the contrary, there was an utter failure to sell the loan under that act. It was sold under the subsequent law which repealed the restrictions of the act of 1862, and it was sold upon a basis of currency amounting to $450,000,000, and wlien the notes had been so depreciated by our legislation, intentionally, for wise purposes, when the right to fund was taken away, and no right WHS given to the notes except to be paid to the Government in the way of taxes. It is true that the various agents of the Government stated that these bonds would be paid in coin, and that creates the embarrassment THE FUNDING BILL. 163 in regard to this matter that has alwajs affected my mind more than any legal difficulty in the way ; because I think the nation is not only bound to observe the law, but it is bound to pay a reasonable degree of re- spect to the representations made at the time these bonds were sold. It is true, as matter of law, that no agent could vary the contract ; that every man who bought these bonds bought them upon the face of the law, and not upon the' mere advertisements of agents. Still every wise legislator would consider the extent of those representations, and how far they affected the public mind. It has been sometimes said that Congress silently acquiesced in them, but that is not true. Congress was not in session when any portion of this loan was sold. "We adjourned on the 4:th of March, 1863, and did not convene imtil the December following, and within that time all the bonds were sold. The silence of the subsequent Congress could not change the contract which was made in March, 1863, and had no effect upon the case. It has been suggested that the Treasury Department has decided that the bonds were payable in gold, reference being made to the deci- sion of Secretary Chase on the payment of the Texas bonds in Decem- ber, 1862. It is claimed that the Secretary of the Treasury then decided that the legal-tender clause did not apply to Government securities. Now, I wiU read the decision of the Secretary. I read from his letter of January 5, 1863, in reply to a resolution of the House of Represen- tatives. He states that he concluded to pay this loan in coin for these reasons : My judgment was determined in favor of payment in coin, not merely by the weigMy considerations growing out of its beneficial influences on public credit, but by the circumstance that I found myself able to obtain the needed specie at a cost so small that payment in coin was, in fact, a less inconvenience to the Treasury and a less interference with payments to and for the army and navy than payment in notes would have been. A letter signed by George Harrington, Assistant Secretary, dated May 26, 1863, and a letter of Mr. Field, also Assistant Secretary, have also been referred to. Mr. Harrington said in his letter : The flve-twenty sixes, payable twenty years from date, though redeemable after five years, are considered as belonging to the funded or permanent debt ; and so also are the twenty-year sixes, into which the three-year seven-thirty notes are convertible. These bonds, therefore, according to the usage of the Government, are payable in coin. The letter of Mr. Field, when he was Assistant Secretary, simply stated as a fact that the bonds would be paid in gold.- There was no reference to the law, no decision upon the terms of the law, but a mere reference to the custom of the Department as to old bonds issued before the legal-tender' act ; and no doubt it was made upon the com- mon expectation that long before the five years expired specie pay- ments would be resumed, and no doubt they would have been if our arms had been victorious during that summer ; but certainly none of these letters can be regarded as a formal construction of the legal-ten- der act, which is not even referred to. Mr. President, I will not follow this matter further, because it is 164 SPEECHES AND KEP0ET8 OF JOHN SHERMAN. not necessary for my argument that I should do so ; but I submit to Senators whether the presentation of the law and the facts in regard to the five-twenty loan does not at least raise a reasonable doubt upon which honest men may disagree. All that is necessary for my ar^- ment is to show that there is such a doubt as to the manner of paying these bonds. If such a doubt exists it ought to be removed, or some other bond substituted, in order that this unsettled question may not poison the public credit. The second mode of paying off the five-twenty bonds is proposed by partisans, and consists m a new issue of greenbacks. This is a plausible and a dangerous device. No man can justify it. Wh;^? Because the very acts under which these bonds were issued contain limitations which we can not and dare not exceed. These limitations were put in every loan act, and finally embodied in the form of a guar- antee in the act of June 30, 1864:, to which I will now refer. The limitation contained in the last preceding act, that of March 3, 1863, in force when the five-twenties were negotiated, was $450,000,000. The act of June 30, 1864, modified and repeated this limitation, as follows : Nor shall the total amount of United States notes issued or to he issued ever ex- ceed $400,000,000, and such additional sum, not exceeding $50,000,000, as may be temporarily required for the redemption of temporary loan. This limitation upon the amount of greenbacks was always a part of the loan laws, and why ? Because the amount of those notes issued would regulate and fix the value of the bonds themselves. In all the loan acts, therefore, the amount of greenbacks issued from time to time was Hmited by law, and that limitation was a part of the contract under which the bonds were issued ; and hence any proposition which looks to an increase of the legal tenders with a view by this increase to pay off the five-twenties^ would be a plain, palpable violation of a public engagement, just as much as would be a clipping of the coin, or, to follow the example of the middle ages, a debasement of the coin. Every additional greenback issued tends to depreciate the value of the security ; and therefore, as the law itself limits the amount, it must be complied with, whatever is the consequence. I take it, then, that no proposition will ever receive the sanction of Congress in the face of this law, providing that the five-twenties shall be redeemed with any other notes than those in existence at the time they were sold ; that any proposition of that kind would be dishonor- able to the country and dishonorable to any one who seriously proposed and advocated it. It would be to create a depreciated currency in order to evade the payment of an honest debt. But, sir, aside from that, as an act of public policy, it would be in- jurious. It would impair all values ; it would affect all prices. None would suffer from such a debasement of the currency so much as the laboring man. Labor is the last thing except real estate to feel the effect of a change in the currency, because labor is more abundant than any other commodity. Labor feels List the advance caused by the inflation of paper money. I trust this proposition when discussed by the people will be generally repudiated, and I believe it wiU be. I regard this limit upon the amount of greenback currency as a sheet THE FUNDINa BILL. 165 anchor of public safety; that in no event whatever is it to be vio- lated. It is sometimes said, why will not the proposed increase of banking circulation have the same effect as the increase of greenbacks ? This, question is put in regard to the bill reported by my friend from Mis- souri [Mr. Henderson] to repeal the limitation upon the amount of banking circulation. I answer that the effect is very different. The amount of bank notes may be left free without any legal hmit, if only the right to present the note for redemption is always enforced. Re- demption must be at present in legal tenders, but we all look to an early resumption of specie payments. There is no check on banking, there is no use in banks, unless you have specie payments. Bank notes, unless they are based on the payment of specie or something that is or will soon be equivalent to specie, are injurious, and therefore I am not in favor of any increase of the bank-note circulation unless it is in view of the speedy resumption of specie payments. Eut, sir, if bank notes are based on coin, or if they are redeemable in coin, their amount may be left to the demands of trade, to the wants of the community. The power to present them for payment at any time is a sufficient check on the amount. That is shown by the experience of many countries. In England the hmit is very rarely reached. In ISTew York they had a very good State system, which, if it had been extended all over the United States, under the control of the General Government, would have been a wise one. That was a system of free banking under which any man might bank who would keep up the specie standard, and give the requisite security to the public and redeem his notes in specie. I come now to the third mode that has been suggested, and that I have necessarily discussed as I have proceeded. I here again desire to repeat that, in what I have to say in regard to the manner of paying or redeeming the bonds, I do not speak for the Committee on Finance, because, in the view which they took of it in the bill which they re- ported, they did not decide that question. I merely present the argu- ment. Equity and justice are amply satisfied if we redeem these bonds at the end of the five years in money of the same kind and of the same intrinsic value existing at the time they were issued. Senators are sometimes in the habit, in order to defeat the argument of an antago- nist, of saying that this is repudiation. "Why, sir, every citizen of the United States has conformed his business to the legal-tender clause. He has collected and paid his debts accordingly. Every State in this Union, without exception, has made its contracts, since the legal-tender clause became law, in currency, and paid them in currency. Indeed, every State in this Union except Massachusetts and California, has gone further, and, as I think, improperly, and has paid in legal tenders either principal or interest of preexisting debts contracted on the basis of gold. Connecticut pays her interest in paper on debts contracted since the passage of the legal-tender act. There is a wide distinction as to preexisting debts between the right of a citizen to pay a debt under the legal-tender act and the right of a State or a Government to do it ; but as to debts contracted since the legal-tender law took effect, 166 SPEECHES AND EEPOETS OF JOHN SHERMAN. they were contracted in currency, and upon the express stipulation in the law that their principal should be paid in legal tenders and the interest in coin. Ii that stipulation was not in the law, the right to redeem would only rest upon the general principle that a debt may be paid in the kind of money in which it was contracted. But public as well as private debts contracted since the legal-tender act do not rest upon inference, buj upon the express stipulation in the law ; and it is equitable and right that the United States should avail itself of this part of the contract. Sometimes this bill has been regarded as a threat. We do not so intend it. We say to the holders of our public securities, except the existing ten-forties, " We will give each of you, at your option, this form of security in exchange for that which you now have; if you accept this offer by the 1st of November next, we will give you certain exemptions ; if not, you stand upon your existing right, and all questions aSecting it shall be postponed until the next session of Congress." It is said that this is a threat. I do not so regard it. The committee has provided no alternative in case the bond-holders do not accept. Their bonds still stand, and no one proposes the alterna- tive adopted by the English Government, which I intend to refer to in a moment, of stopping the interest, or the alternative adopted by our ovra Government under Hamilton's plan of reducing the interest. We leave the bond-holders to stand precisely as they are, and they wiU be paid their six per cent, interest in gold until their bonds are redeemed, and they can not be redeemed under existing laws without further leg- islation. All that the Committee on Finance do in this biU — and, perhaps, in discussing the other points I have gone beyond the neces- sity of the case — is to offer to all the public creditors these new bonds for the old, the exchange to be made without expense to the Govern- ment, without sacrifice by any one, leaving every man to judge for himself whether his interest and substantial equity wiU not be pro- moted by it. If he does not accept he stands by his bond, and Con- gress must decide whether the redemption of these bonds shall be postponed to some indefinite future when we may be able to pay gold for what we received in depreciated paper. We do not decide it, and do not undertake to, but we simply submit the option. Even if Senators do not agree in the view that I take of this mat- ter, it is necessary to provide this new loan for this reason : we must provide for the funding of some one hundred and odd millions of loan that is maturing ; we must provide for the redemption of the com- pound-interest notes ; we must provide for the conversion of the green- backs, which we do in another section ; we must provide somd bond into which even the floating debt may go ; and it is advisable in mak- ing that bond to select, if possible, a bond into which the whole mass of tlie public debt may from time to time be converted according to our future laws. These obligations are convertible into five-twenties as the law now stands, but would any Secretary now convert any more of our currency debt into five-twenty bonds bearing six per cent, interest in gold ? As I shall show hereafter, there is no such burdensome loan negotiated by THE FUNDING BILL. 167 any civilized nation in the world as our five-twenty loan, if it is to be paid in gold. Therefore, I would say, as I said two j^ears ago, that I never would issue another five-twenty bond, because it is the most ex- pensive form of loan. Just consider it : seventy-six dollars of gold wiU buy a five-twenty bond bearing six per cent, interest in gold, and that bond cannot be redeemed, according to one construction, until the United States are ready not only to pay six per cent, on one hundred dollars for the use of seventy-six dollars, but also to pay one hundred dollars in gold for what now costs seventy-six dollars. That is the proposition, and I say I never would issue another five-twenty bond. I think our great mistake has been that we have funded a great mass of our floating debt already into five-twenties, and given to the public creditors the right to demand this large rate of interest for so long a time. Now, I wish to show, as we are governed in a great measure by example, that the proposition made by the Committee on Finance is in exact accordance with the course that has been pursued in England six or seven times, and once in our own country. In England, prior to 1715, the rate of interest was six per cent., which was reduced by an act of Parliament to five per cent., and without negotiation. In 1725, after the explosion of the South Sea bubble, the rate of interest on the mass of the public debt was reduced from five per cent, to four per cent. This was done mainly by negotiation through the great corpora- tions of London, the Bank of England, the South Sea Company, and one of the India companies. They reduced the interest by issuing four per cent, annuities in payment of live per cents, paying off what were called the dissentients. In the middle of the eighteenth century the rate of interest all over Europe became lower than ever was known before. It fell to three per cent. In 1737 it was proposed in England to reduce the interest on the public debt from four to three per cent. This passed the House of Commons two readings, and was lost on the third. In 1742 a similar attempt was made to reduce the rate of interest, and in 1749, under the administration of Mr. Pelham, it was carried into execution ; and we have in Hansard's Debates, and also in the biography of Mr. Pelham, an exact account of this transaction. Mr. Pelham was warned before he made this proposition of the - effect upon himself ; but he persisted in it, and finally carried it through, after quite an extended argument. His proposition, in short, was that any holder of any se- curity bearing four per cent, interest might, within a given time, pre- sent it, not for redemption, but to receive in exchange a security bear- ing three and a half per cent, interest for four or five years, and after that bearing three per cent, interest. Nothing was said about redemp- tion ; but it was understood, no doubt, that in case holders did not accept it their securities would be redeemed. The result w;as an angry debate, in which it was alleged that this was a violation of the public faith. I read a note in Hansard's Debates, taken from Tindal. Tin- dal says : This was generally looked upon to be a very bold measure in the minister, and some of his best friends, even the day before the vote passed in the House of Oom- 168 SPEECHES AND EEPORTS OF JOHN SHERMAN. mons, endeavored to persuade him against it. But he appeared determined, and in a few weeks they approved of his steadiness as much as before they blamed his obstinacy. I read from Mr. PeUiam's biography wliat is there said on the sub- ject : Duly impressed with the importance of his financial plan, Mr. Pelham suffered no avoidable delay to intervene before he submitted it to the House. By this promptitude he manifested the decision of a great minister, for the proposal was at hrst so unpopular or so little understood that even on the very day before the resolutions were brought forward some of his friends endeavored to dissuade him from his purpose ; but their remonstrances were ineffectual. He persevered in his determination, and the event fully justified his expectations. On the 28th of No- vember a motion was made for a committee of the whole House, to take that part of his Majesty's speech into consideration which related to the national debt. The expediency of reducing the interest had been so clearly demonstrated by Mr. Pel- ham that his plan was unanimously approved. The great corporations which had aided in the former reduction in the interest of the public debt combined against it, and for two years, defeated it. The House of Commons was firm, and threatened to re- peal some of their priyileges, and finally compelled them to acquiesce. There is a still more interesting case, and one more applicable to our present condition, which occurred in England in 1822. During the wars which probably tested the power of England more than any other event in her history — her wars with Napoleon — she was com- pelled to resort to great sacrifices. She issued all manner of securities ; she sold her bonds at one time at fifty or sixty cents on the dollar ; she issued five per cents, four per cents, and three per cents, and all other fonns of security. After the war was over, before the resumption of specie payments, Mr. Vansittart, then Chancellor of the Exchequer, proposed to fund the public debt by a proposition very similar in lan- guage to the one submitted now by the Committee on Finance. The great mass of their fioating debt consisted of five per cent, exchequer bills — navy bills, as they were commonly called — which were very much such bills as our five-twenty bonds. They bore five per cent. interest. Mr. Yansittart introduced his bill on the 25th of I^bruary, 1822 ; and we have the whole debate in Hansard. His proposition "is in substance like our own. It simply declared that the holdei-s of those five per cent, bills might present them at such a time for exchange for a four per cent: annuity. If they did not present their securities, their assent was implied. There was some opposition to the measure. It was alleged to be a violation of the public faith ; it was before specie payments were resumed in England, when all payments were made in Bank of England notes. It was finally carried, after debate, and ac- quiesced in. There is also one case in our own history, and that is the funding system adopted by Alexander Ilmnilton. The Constitution of the United States declared that the public debt of the United States should be inviolate, and the new (Tovemment assumed the debt of the old ConfediTacy ; but, as a matter of course, it was in a condition of great uncertainty ; the interest had been unpaid for a long time, and Siere were disputes as to tlie amount. Alexander Hamilton, as fii-st Secre- THE FUNDING BILL. 169 tary of tlie Treasury, proposed a plan of funding and grouping together all this mass of indebtedness. His report on the public credit was re- garded by his friends, and has been regarded by the whole world, as a remarkable production ; and yet what was Alexander Hamilton's fund- ing plan ? He proposed, first, to ascertain the amount of the national debt, which was finally computed to be and was settled at $54,000,000, foreign and domestic. Did he propose to pay that off in precise con- formity with the terms on which the debt was contracted ? Not at all. He also ascertained the amount of the State debts ; nearly all the States were overwhelmed with debts that grew out of the revolutionary war, and they were ascertained and apportioned ; the general aggregate of all was $75,000,000. How was this funded ? By offering the fund- holders six per cent, bonds for two thirds of their debt, and the other third was paid, some of it, by three per cent, bonds, some by four per cent, bonds, some by public lands, and some by annuities. The plan of Alexander Hamilton embraced various forms of loan, and all was submitted to the voluntary will of the fund-holders. Some of them refused to agree. What did he do then ? He only paid them In accordance with the stipulations made as to the rest of the loans. I will read a short paragraph or two from this document of Mr. Ham- ilton to show how he regarded the public debt : The interesting problem now occurs: Is it in the power of the United States, consistently with those prudential considerations which ought not to be overlooked, to make a provision equal to the purpose of funding the whole debt, at the rates of interest which it now bears, in addition to the sum which will be necessary for the current service of the Government ? The Secretary wiU not say that such a provision would exceed the abilities of the country ; but he is clearly of opinion that to make it would require the exten- sion of taxation to a degree and to objects which the true interests of the public creditors forbid. It is therefore to be hoped, and even to be expected, that they will cheerfully concur in such modifications of their claims, on fair and equitable principfes, as will facilitate to the Government an arrangement substantial, durable, and satisfactory to the community. The importance of the last characteristic will strike every discerning mind. No plan, however flattering in appearance, to which it did not belong, could be truly entitled to confidence. He provided for four per cent, interest to be paid to those who did not agree to the offer, two per cent, less than they were entitled to under the law creating the debt. After speaking of those who might refuse the offer, he proceeds to say : Hence, whatever surplus of revenue might remain, after satisfying the interest of the new loans and the demand for the current service, ought to be divided among those creditors (if any) who may not think fit to subscribe to them. But, for this purpose, under the circumstance of depending propositions, a temporary appro- priation will be most advisable, and the sum must be limited to four per cent., as the revenues wiU only be calculated to produce in that proportion to the entire debt. The Secretary confides for the success of the propositions to be made on the goodness of the reason upon which they rest; on the fairness of the equivalent to be offered in each case ; on the discernment of the creditors of their true interest ; and on their disposition to facilitate the arrangements of the Government, and to render them satisfactory to the community. I say the plan now proposed by the Committee on Finance is in accordance with precedent, holds out no threats, and deals with all 170 SPEECHES AND KEPORTS OF JOHN SHERMAN. alike, holders of five-twenty bonds, greenbacks, and all. It gires them a proposition to fund their debt at tneir own option by the 1st of No- vember next ; or if they do not choose to do it, then, as a matter of course, the question is to be decided at the neit session of Congress whether or not Congress, will redeem the five-twenty bonds in the cur- rency in which they were contracted or postpone their redemption, paying the interest at six per cent, in gold, until we can redeem the principal in gold. Whatever view Senators may take of this, they can not avoid making some provision by some loan less onerous than five- twenties for funding the greenbacks and the floating debt of the United States ; and into that loan, whatever it may be, the whole debt may eventually be funded. ]S"ow, Mr. President, the question is whether the terms of the pro- posed loan are reasonable and fair, such as we ought to propose to our own citizens, and such as our constituents may reasonably hope to The first question that arises is the exemption from State taxation. No Government that I have been able to find ever allowed its bonds or securities to be taxed. The United States never did. In the absence of stipulations to the contrary, the courts have always held that no State or subordinate authority could tax the national securities. It may, it is true, be made a part of the loan that the States shall have a power to tax them, but who would buy such bonds ? I never would vote for such a provision. I never would allow a subordinate authority to thus control the public credit of the United States, or have a voice in the matter. The effect in time of war would be disastrous. Such a power would prevent the citizens of a State where the power was exercised from loaning money upon Government securities. I take it therefore as an axiom, that in no event shall we allow subordinate au- thorities to tax the national securities. I need not refer to the authori- ties on this subject. I have done that before. * The next provision is the exemption from any discriminating prop- erty tax. Men who do not understand the question have proposed to tax Government securities specially, like a special tax on manufactures ; and the proposition has been, pei-haps, broached in Congress to tax Government securities one or two per cent, in lieu of all other taxes. Such a provision would be a clear and palpable violation of the Consti- tution and of the law. It would be worse than repudiation ; it would be the meanest kind of repudiation. Why ? Eecause it would be a special discriminating tax on property. A tax on manufactures is a tax on consumption. The manufacturer may add that tax to the cost of the article, and the consumer who finally uses the article pays the tax. That is the principle upon which it rests. A special tax on property is a diminution of tlie property. It cannot be collected from any one else, or shared with any one. It is a direct tax — as much so as if levied on farms ; and, being a direct tax, it is unconstitutional, unless appor- tioned among the States according to population. One of tlie curliest cases which came before the Supreme Court was the well-known cnse involving a tax on carriages. There the Court held that it was the use of the carriage which was taxed, and that was THE FUNDING BILL. 171 a j)roper tax, because it was a tax on the use of a luxury. It was the enjoyment or use of the carriage that was taxed, not the property in the carriage. No special tax can be levied on property. If this princi- ple once prevailed, that we might select any kind of property and levy a discriminating tax on it, the time might come when snipping might be selected as the subject of a special tax ; when property in lands, plainly against the intention of the Constitution, might be selected for the levying of a discriminating tax. We purpose, therefore, in order to avoid all controversy, to put a stipulation in the new loan law ex- empting these bonds from all discriminating taxation by Congress, but leaving them subject to the same income tax that other income is sub- ject to. There is some difference of opinion as to the rate of interest of the new bonds. The Committee on Finance took great care in deciding this question. "We believed that we could not hope to negotiate a losrci at a rate lower than five per cent. It is the lowest rate of interest ever provided for in any loan act of the United States, except in the fund- ing scheme of Alexander Hamilton, already referred to, where a certain portion of the debt was funded at three per cent. I have looked with care into recent foreign loans, and I find that no Government in Europe has recently sold its bonds at a less rate of interest than five per cent. When the nominal rate was lower, they were sold at a di^ount. The English loans during the Napoleonic war yielded the lender a rate of interest averaging over five per cent. I have on that subject a number of authorities, and I will refer to one or two of them. In the compendium of finance which I have before me there is a statement of the amount of the various loans negotiated by the English Government during the second French revolutionary war. The whole amount of loans negotiated was £420,905,400 sterling, or over two . thousand million dollars. The amount actually received from those loans by the Government was £266,800,000 sterling, or at the rate of about sixty per cent. The securities were mainly three per cents, though large sums bore four and five per cent., so that the rate of in- terest actually paid was over five per cent. In 1815, after Boilaparte had left the island of Elba, when it became necessary for the English Government to negotiate a large loan, they sold £66,000,000 of three and four per cent, consols for £36,000,000 sterling, or about fifty-six cents on the dollar. • So it is in France. We have all heard about the popular loan in France during 'the Crimean war, and it was regarded as a remarkable success in its time. It was undoubtedly very popular in France. The first loan, on the 14th of March, 1854, was for 250,000,000 francs. It was sold at the rate of one hundred francs of three per cents for sixty- five francs and twenty-five centimes, and at the rate of one hundred francs at four and a half per cent, for ninety-two francs and fifty cen- times, making really a little over five per cent. The ordinary legal rate of interest in most of the States is seven per cent., and the actual rate among merchants often amounts to ten. We have by the discrimination made in favor of these bonds reduced the rate to five per cent., and it seems to me that that is as low as it is 172 SPEECHES AND REPORTS OF JOHN SHERMAN. possible to negotiate this loan. As a matter of course, if I believed it was in the power of the Government without adopting measures injuri- ous to the public interest to negotiate a bond at a less rate of interest, I would gladly have it done ; but after full examination of this ques- tion the Committee on Finance came to the conclusion that the loan could not be negotiated at a lower rate. There are various reasons why the rate of interest all over the world is now higher than it was one hundred years ago. The artificial wants of society have been very much increased. We have railroads, steam- boats, and telegraphs, vast avenues, sources, and demands for wealth and capital, that one hundred years ago Benjamin Franklin and Dr. Johnson never thought of. The railroads in this country at this time are worth more than all the country was worth at the time of the revo- lutionary war. All these new elements of social progress make de- njands for money, and therefore raise the rate of interest. There is another remarkable fact which causes a general advance of the rate of interest all over the world in this as compared with the last century, and that is the vast addition made to the coinage of the world. The discovery of gold and silver has caused an advance in the rate of inter- est, why ? Because every man who loans money now, especially on long time, knows that he will be paid off at the end of the period in a commodity ydth less productive, purchasing power than that he loans. The actual depreciation in gold and silver coin for a number of years has been a little over one per cent, per annum, so that if a man now lends $1,000, payable in gold twenty years hence, he will get back his $1,000 at the end of twenty years with one fifth of its purchasing power shorn off by the additions in the mean time to the value of the gold and sil- ver of the world. The truth is now that while real estate is advancing money is depreciating. AU productions are advancing, while the rela- tive value of gold and silver coin to other commodities is diminishing. A productive four per cent, investment in real estate is a more profita- ble investment than six per cent, in the best bonds in the world. "Why ? Because those bonds in the future will be paid off in gold and silver Coin when it has less purchasing power than it has now, while the lands, by the gradual increase of the country, are increasing in value. The one diminishes at the rate of one per cent, per annum, according to the best statisticians, and the other increases m this country at the rate of one and a half per cent, per annum. I say, Mr. President, we cannot negotiate a bond bearing a less rate of interest than five per cent, except, first, by increasing and depreci- ating the greenbacks, and that certainly we ought to oppose to the utmost ; or second, by the English plan of selUng the loan below par, to which our people are not accustomed, and to \vhieh they would not submit. That resort would increase nominally the public debt. Even if the rate of interest should be more favorable, the popular judgment would condemn it, because they look upon a debt as a tempoiWy thing to be paid oi? in full, and not, as in England, a permanent thing, o^ which tho principal is never to bo ])aid, nnd only the interest to be pro- vided for. There is this great difference between our system and the English THE FUNDING BILL. 173 system. In England they sell their credit below par. Tliey fix the rate of interest, and they sell securities in open market at what they will bring. In this country we fix the price of our bonds at par, and ask money-lenders at what rate of interest they will loan us money. That is the difference. Why is it so ? Because in England they do not anticipate the payment of the principal. There is another way in which I suppose we might negotiate a bond at a low rate of interest ; and that is, by postponing the payment of the principal to an indefinite period. That, however, is against the A mer- ican notions of finance. Our people have always looked upon a debt as a burden to be paid off as rapidly as possible, and public opinion and good policy would not tolerate the making of a very long loan ; and I for one would not, under any circumstances, vote for one which it would not be within the power of the Government to redeem within twenty years. A bond at four per cent, or any other less rate of interest would be looked upon as confiscation ; you could not negotiate it ; five per cent, is now about par, and we can sell a five per cent, bond without increas- ing the greenbacks a single doUar. I do not desire to see the greenbacks increased beyond their present amount. There is no necessity for it. We can reduce the rate of interest from six to five per cent, without increasing the volume of greenbacks, and we can thus save to the peo- ple of this country $17,000,000 in gold per annum without deranging the currency, disordering the money market, or depreciating our credit. I do not desire to force upon the market a loan bearing a lower rate of interest, which will require more greenbacks to float it, or require us to sell it below par, or to postpone the time of payment. We can ne- fotiate a five per cent, loan now in the present state of the money mar- et, disordered as it is by political complications, maintaining, however, the right within a reasonable time, say ten years, to make a further re- duction to four per cent, if we can, and after that to three per cent, or whatever public credit will allow ; but an attempt now to reduce the rate of interest to four per cent, would be regarded in this country and abroad as a species of confiscation. The section of this bUl in regard to the payment of the principal of the debt only establishes the general idea that the debt itself shall be paid at some time. The Committee on Finance, after much reflection, agreed to fix the amoimt which should be annually applicable to the payment of the principal and interest of the debt at $135,000,000. The amount of the interest now is $129,500,000, so that we appropriate about five and a half millions to the payment of the principal ; but, as a matter of course, this sum being applied annually, while both the principal and the interest of the debt are being reduced, partly by funding, partly by payment, partly by the operation of this law, the interest will gradually be decreased, and the amount applicable to the principal will thus annually increase. If all our debt is funded into a five per cent, loan except the long bonds of 1881, and the amount should be $2,200,000,000, leaving outstanding the present amount of greenbacks and no more, the interest on the debt would cease to be a burden, and the difference between the amount appropriated and the 174 SPEECHES AND EEPOKTB OF JOHN 8HEKMAN. amount required. to pay the interest would gradually pay off the prin- cipal of the debt. I have a table, prepared at the Treasury Depart- ment, showing the precise operation of this plan, by which it will appear that it would pay off the debt by 1909. Mr. President, I desire now to make a few observations in regard to the sections of the bill relating to the United States notes ; and these I consider as vitally important. We propose to restore to the holder of United States notes the right to fund them at pleasure into the new bonds. There is more just ground of discontent and more real discontent, among the people of this country because of the dis- crimination made between the bond-holder and the holder of the green- back than from any other cause. You compel every citizen of this country to take the greenback as money, willing or unwilling ; it is the measure of the value of his labor ; and yet it has no purchasing power except from the hope that in some future time the United States will redeem it. It may be forced upon another man in payment of a debt ; it may be apphed to pay taxes ; but it can not be converted into in- comS except at a discount. A man can not take United States notes payable on demand to a broker and receive in exchange any security issued by the United States. In 1863 we were compelled for wise purposes to take away the right of the holder of the greenback to fund it, because we wished then to force our loans upon the market, and while that right was out- standing we could not do it. Now that the war is over, and the whole process of funding is intended to be at the will of the note-holder, we ought promptly to restore this right to allow the note to be converted at any time into some kind of bond ; and we propose also to allow the bond to be converted into notes, keeping within the limit of notes fixed by law. Then there is no discrimination ; the bond-holder and the note-holder are both pubhc creditors ; both depend upon the public faith. The note-holder may go to the Treasury of the United States and demand his bond ; the bond-holder may go also and demand his note. They are put on a basis of equality, and will be of equal value. This destroys all speculation in Government securities. The note- holder may at liis option draw interest in gold by converting his notes into bonds, and'the popular cry of demagogues that we have provided gold for the bond-holder and notes for the people will be silenced ; and there is no reason why the note issued to the laboring man should now be less valuable than any other form of Government seciuity. An important effect of this provision will be to furnish money to re- deem the bonds or any other securities that offer, and without resorting to a sale of bonds. I do not propose, nor do the Committee conteni- plate, the issue of any new greenbacks. We suppose that tlio process of funding these notes will furnish ample moans to redeem all the •out- standing bonds and securities as they become redeemable. I have no doubt trie same process will go on here tliat occurred in Europe : a small amount of money will jiny a large amount of bonds. The mass of bonds will be exchiinged without money. The transactions paid by money compared with tlie transactions paid by checks and other forms of paper are as one to a thousand. Tlie daily balances in the exchanges THE FUNDING BILL. 175 in the New York clearing-house amount to many millions, and yet the amount of currency to pay these balances is often less than one per cent, of their nominal amount. Other reasons may be given for the new feature of this bill giving the holder of bonds the right to convert them into notes. It is indis- pensably necessary to guard against sudden contraction and panic. There are times when the notes will float into bonds so rapidly as to contract the currency, and thus derange business and prevent the move- ment of crops. This privilege will give flexibility and movement to the currency of the country. Every exchange will be a beneflt to the Government. If the holder of a Government security bearing inter- est surrenders it to the Treasury for a note without interest, the United States saves the interest. If, on the contrary, the notes are funded for a bond, the notes may be used in the redemption of other bonds bear- ing a higher jjate of interest. If the money market becomes stringent, if currency becomes scarce, the holder may be willing to surrender his bond bearing five per cent, interest in gold, in order to get currency with which to pay his debts ; and why not give him that privilege ? It is a benefit to the United States, and it is the only mode by which, during the suspension of specie payments, we may make a flexible cur- rency. And, sir, this loan will be the great savings fund of the people of the United States. Every man having money for a time idle will float it into these ten-forty bonds ; and wmle we have the money we shall pay off bonds bearing a higher rate of interest. When he desires it again, he can come back and get the bond ; and so this operation may be carried on with perfect safety. ISTow the deposits in the savings banks amount to over five hundred million dollars. Why should not this money be deposited in the Treasury ? Why should not these little streams of the savings of the laboring man help to float the public credit ? The Government of the United States ought not to feel too high to ac- knowledge the services of such a fund. It will be useful. The bond will enable the depositor to get the full value of his money. Now he deposits in savings banks, where he gets four or five per cent, interest in paper money. In every view we could take of this proposition, after the most am- ple consideration, we thought it was a wise provision, and would work well. The printing and exchanging of these bonds will be carried on at the Treasury Department or at the depositories, or other proper places of exchange, and the only cost will be that of printing. This method of exchange is adapted to the wants of trade, and will tend to give increased value to the notes ; and my firm conviction is that both notes and bonds will gradually rise, until they reach the standard of gold, when the whole process will cease according to the provisions of the bill. I look upon this provision as the most rapid way to specie payments. The only section of the bill to which I have not alluded is that which legalizes contracts in gold. That is right in itself. I always supposed that the legal-tender act was not intended to affect the right of the peo- ple to negotiate, buy, and sell gold, if they chose. Some of the courts. 176 SPEECHES AND EEPOETS OF JOHN SHERMAN. however, have decided otherwise. Whatever the law may be, there is no objection to unlocking the hoards of gold, and allowing the people to deal in it as they choose. It makes another addition to tne currency, and will gradually make our people become accustomed to deah'ngs and transactions in gold, thus tending in the right direction. Where one man lends gold to another man, it is equitable that he should have gold back in payment ; and it is very inequitable for the debtor in such a case to refuse to pay it, and commit a fraud by means of the law. I think it will be beneficial to insert this provision, because dealing in gold will have a tendency toward specie payments. , I have thus, Mr. President, presented the leading provisions of this bill. I appreciate the difficulties of the subject, and the personal re- sponsibility I assume in advocating a measure that may fail of its pur- pose. It is far easier to sit quiet, to propose nothing, and criticise the measures of others ; but such I do not understand to be the duty of your Committee on Finance. We are actuated by an earnest desire to reduce the burdens of the people without injury to the public credit or injustice to the public creditor ; by a firm conviction that the offer here made to the bond-holder is equitable and honorable, and that its accep- tance will not only save an annual expenditure of $17,000,000 in gold, but wiU settle upon a proper basis the mode of payment of the public debt, and still leave open, after a reasonable time, a further reduction of interest if practicable. Further than this the Committee does not go. It does not provide for a rejection of the offer ; but I repeat that, if the offer is rejected, I will not hesitate to vote to redeem maturing bonds in the currency in existence when they were issued and with which they were purchased, carefully complying, however, with all the provisions of law as to the mode of payment and as to the amount of currency outstanding. This conclusion I have arrived at against the earnest ar- guments of personal and political friends, and against my own personal and pecuniary interests. But, sir, I saw two years ago — and we all see clearly now — ^that the existing relation between the public creditor and the tax-payer is one by which the former enjoys all the blessings of a Government without cost, receives without diminution a higher rate of interest than your courts would enforce between citizens, and may demand payment of the principal in gold for paper lent, while your courts refuse to enforce a special contract for the return of gold for gold. Such a system can not endure in a Government not entirely despotic without creating dis- content that may endanger the performance of the public engagements. You can not disguise your knowledge of this growing discontent. The unavoidable effect of approaching specie payments in reducing prices and shrinking values will increase this discontent. In that painful pro- cess the people will see that the untaxed productive annuities of tlie bond-holder alone will be increased in value, while all other forms of property will be reduced. It is not the interest, nor do I think it will be the desire, of the public creditor to invite this discontent. The same motive that induced him to trust the Government in its hour of peril will induce him to accept equity from those who are willing to do equity. And, sir, his patriotism will not be lessened when he reflects that while THE FUNDING BILL. 177 his money aided in the good cause it has been the most profitable in- vestment of capital he could have made. Senators often tell us that we must not be influenced by public dis- content or clamor. I agree with this when the discontent is not founded upon substantial equity ; but, when it is so founded, it will make itself felt t^hrough you or over you. And Senators must remember that this is a government of the people, for the people, and by the people. It is not, like the government of Great Britain, a despotic oligarchy, where the rights of property override the rights of persons ; where the laws are made to add to the accumulations of the rich, though hxmdreds of thousands may thereby be pinched with poverty. That is the land of entails, where the offices of the church are bought and sold as property, and where all that is good in life — office, honor, prop- erty — is confined to less than one-tenth of the population ; where the laws are studiously framed to exclude the poor from political rights! We borrow from these people of kindred blood many of the best guards of liberty, but we must take care not to ingraft on our repub- lican system the leading feature of their present government, the su- premacy of property over labor. Their wealth consists of vast accumulations of property produced by ages of labor. A generation adds but little to tlus aggregate of wealth ; therefore their laws protect property at the sacrifice of labor. Here all the acquisitions of the past, all the accumulations up to this hour, are only equal to the accumulations that will be made by labor during the next ten years. Our wealth is in the energy and sinews of 30,000,000 free people, all equal, each working for himself, with no privileged hand to press him down in the race of life. It is this that has made our history like the tales of Arabian fiction. Our railroads alone, built since we were all young, are worth $1,600,000,000, or more than the property of the United States when she took her place among the nations of the earth. The property of the State of Ohio is now worth more in gold than that of all the colonies when they proclaimed independence ; and yet Ohio was then a pathless wilderness where no white man dwelt. The entire debt of the Revolution, which Alexander Hamilton ap- proached with terror, which our ancestors debated over for years, upon which parties were formed and dissolved, was $75,740,111.30, including over $17,000,000 of State debts assumed ; and yet now we appropriate one half of that sum for pensions, and will this year reduce our current expenses more than that sum. All this vast progress is the result of labor. To encourage, maintain, and reward labor must be the principal object of our legislation. Capital can take care of itself. It has many advantages in competition with labor. It may be idle ; labor can not be. It does not grow hungry ; it does not become cold or sick ; while labor must be supported by food and clothing, and awaits sickness and death. Capital is only useful to the country as it gives employment to labor, as a means to further development, while all labor tends to create new wealth. "When capital is invested in Government bonds, it is useful, so far as further development is concerned, only in supplying the wants of 12 . 178 SPEECHES AND REPORTS OF JOHN SHERMAN. the owner. When employed in most other pursuits, it adds to the national wealth. Certainly it is not the public interest to make this in- vestment so profitable and attractive as to draw into it the capital of the country, or to make it so permanent as to create a privileged aris- tocracy. No privilege should be granted to the bond-holder that is not granted to the note-nolder. Both are public creditors, and both can equally appeal to the public faith. The whole public debt should be made to assume such form that it may be a part of the circulating capital of the country, bearing as low a rate of interest as practicable, and only with such exemptions as will maintain it at par with gold. Whether this bill will promote these objects it is for the Senate to say. I confidently believe it will. I do not appeal to any party for the sup- port of this measure, for it affects all alike. All must contribute to the public taxes, and all will share in the benefits of any relief. But while we trust our political adversaries may support this as a measure of relief to our constituents, yet the fate of the bill must rest mainly upoiv the Republican party. It is my pride and hope that this powerful political organization, having conducted the country with safety and honor through the most memorable scenes of our history, may, still retaining the confidence of the people, gradually guide them back into the channels of peace, reduce their burdens, relieve them from oppressive taxes, and start again in productive labor the millions now waiting to develop the greatest country God ever gave to man. Now distrust seizes upon every one. Wild schemes have been pro- Sosed, which drive capital from its moorings. Taxes are bearing heav- y upon unprofitable industry, and complaints are made of the burden and distribution of these taxes. Sectional divisions are already show- ing their hydra heads, and disputes as to the tenns of public engage- ments cast doubts upon the public faith. It is in such a time that Congress is able to perform its highest duty — ^that of an arbitrator. Upon questions involving the public debt, it is only the arbitrator. It can not shrink from this duty. I trust, sir, before this session closes, that Congress will provide for the redemption of our maturing bonds, thus saving ultimately $17,000,000 a year; that it will adopt such measures as will gradually make the dollar in greenback in the hands of the laboring man equal to a dollar in gold ; that it will throw off the great mass of our internal taxes, and reduce our ordinary expenses to the lowest practicable limit. These measures adopted, we may safely leave to our constituents the renewal of trade, the restoration of con- fidence, and the development of industry. INTERNATIONAL MONETAEY STANDARD. I79 INTEENATIONAL MONETAEY STANDAED. m THE SENATE, JUNE 9, 1868. Mr. Sherman made the following report : The following doctiments have been referred to the Committee on Finance : 1. S. 217, in relation to the coinage of gold and silver. 2. S. 412, to promote uniformity of coinage between the moneys of the United States and other countries. 3. The proceedings of the International Monetary Conference, held at Paris in Jnne, 1867. 4. The report of Samuel B. Euggles, Esq., delegate from the United . States in the International Monetary Conference at Paris, November 7, 1867. 5. Sundry memorials relative to changes in our system of coinage. These documents present to the Committee of Finance the interest- ing question of international coinage, and in considering them we neces- sarily inquired : Pirst. Whether the object proposed was of sufficient importance to justify a change in the coinage of the United States. Second. Whether the plan proposed by the Paris Conference was the best mode to accomplish the end desired. Third. What legislation was necessary on the part of the United States to adapt our coinage to the plan proposed. Fourth. What provision should be made for existing public and private contracts. Your Committee, after a partial consideration of these questions, direct that the bill first named be reported with amendments, sup- ported by the following report, and that Mr. Morgan, of the same com- mittee, be authorized to submit a report adverse to the bill, and that these reports be printed, and that the bill be postponed until the next session, with a view to elicit a fuller discussion by the people of the several questions embraced' in the bill. First. The importance of a common monetary standard among commercial nations has always been conceded. It has been the hope of philosophers and statesmen and the demand of writers on political economy for centuries, but has been as strongly opposed by the jeal- ousies of locality and 'the interests of rival nations. Commerce and peace have steadily approximated different standards of exchange to- ward each other, while local interests and war have as steadily caused them to diverge from each other. In all ages local and generally despotic authority has endeavored to make more money out of a given amount of gold and silver by clipping or aUoy, while the general laws of trade and commerce have soon after reduced the current value of the money as it was reduced in weight and fineness. Formerly, not only each nation, but each province, duke, bishop, or municipality, made its own separate and distinct coin, often of the same name but 180 SPEECHES AND REPORTS OF JOHN SHERMAN. different values. The effort to unitize the different moneys of a nation was but a part of the process by which the modem nations of Europe have been formed, and in this process the original money was debased in a remarkable way. The pound sterling of England was, at the time of William the Conqueror, equivalent to a pound weight of silver ; it is now 3 oz. 12 dwt. 16 grs. The German florin was originally a gold coin, worth about $2.40 ; it is now a silver coin, worth about 40 cents. The French livre originally contained a pound of silver, worth about $18.50 ; it is now worth about 19 cents. The Spanish maravedi in the year 1220 was worth $3.20 of our money ; it is now worth about a quarter of a cent. The result of these changes has been to secure to all parts of each leading nation a common unit of money — of fixed value. The pound sterlmg is the unit in Great Britain ; the franc in France, Italy, Switzerland, and Belgium; the florin in South Ger- many ; the thaler in North Germany ; the dollar in the United States ; and various other units in other nations. These units are purely arbitrary, based upon local law, and diverse in weight, value, and alloy. They are, in some nations, of gold only ; in some, of silver only ; and in some, a compound standard of gold and silver, differing materially in the amount of alloy, and in the relative value of the two metals. For local purposes it is not very material which metal is the standard, nor of what weight and fineness the standard may be, if only it is of fixed and invariable value ; for the value of property and all internal commerce adapts itself to the intrinsic value of the gold and silver in the prescribed standard. The inconvenience of different standards of value arises mainly in foreign commerce, in the exchange of commodities among nations. The intercourse between modern Christian nations is now more inti- mate and exchange more rapid than it was between provinces of the same country two nundred years ago. The annual trade between the United States and Great Britain is now greater in bulk and value than the aggregate annual trade between all the nations of Europe two hundred years ago. The same reasons for adopting an international standard of value now exist, as induced the American colonies less than one hundred years ago to abandon their diversified standards of value, and adopt as a common unit the American dollar. Every advance toward a free exchange of commodities is an advance in civilization ; every obstruction to a free exchange is bom of the same narrow despotic spirit which planted castles upon the Ehine to plunder peaceful com- merce. Every obstruction to commerce is a tax upon consumption ; every facility to a free exchange cheapens commodities, increases trade and production, and promotes civilization. Nothing is woi-se tluin sec- tionalism within a nation, and nothing is better for mo peace of nations than unrestricted freedom of intercourse and commerce with each other. No single measure will tend in this direction more than the adoption of a fixed international standard of value, by which all products may be measured, and in conformity with which the coin of a country may go with its flag into every sea, and buy the products of every nation, without being disconcerted by the money changes. This has been the wisli of American statesmen since the revolu- INTERNATIONAL MONETARY STANDARD. 181 tionary war. The Spanish milled dollar was adopted as the basis of our coinage before the Constitution was framed, and with the hope, expressed by Mr. Jefferson, that it would lead to an international unit. Mr. Hamilton and Mr. Gallatin each desired the same result, but the French war postponed all efforts in that direction. Mr. John Q. Adams, in his remarkable report to Congress of February 22, 1821, upon the kindred but more comprehensive subject, " the uniformity of weights and measiires," says : This system approaches to the ideal perfection of uniformity applied to weights and measures, and, whether destined to succeed or doomed to fail, will shed un- fading glory upon the age in which it was conceived and upon the nation hy which its execution was attempted and has heen in part achieved. If man upon earth he an improvable being ; if that universal peace, which was the object of a Saviour's mission, which is the desire of the philosopher, the long- ing of the philanthropist, the trembling hope of the Christian, is a blessing to which the futurity of mortal man has a claim of more than mortal promise ; if tlie spirit of evil is, before the final consummation of things, to be cast down from his domin- ion over men and bound in the chains of a thousand years, the foretaste here of man's eternal felicity, then this system of common instruments to accomplish all the changes of social and friendly commerce will furnish the links of sympathy between the inhabitants of the most distant regions ; the metre will surround the globe in use as well as in multiplied extension, and one language of weights and measures will be spoken from the equator to the poles. Several efforts have been made by negotiation to secure uniformity of coinage, especially with Great Britain. In 1857, in compliance with an act of Congress, passed upon the report of the Committee on Finance of the Senate, Prof. Alexander was sent as a special commissioner to that country to secure a unity of coinage between the two countries ; but, after various conferences, the mission failed from an indisposition of the English Government to modify their pound, shilling, and penny. In his report of December, 1862, Mr. Secretary Chase invited the attention of Congress to the importance of uniform weights, measures, and coins, and recommended that the halfrcagle of the United States be made equal to the gold sovereign of Great Britain in weight and fineness. The Berlin International Statistical Congress, held in 1863, com- posed of representatives of fourteen countries, and at which the United States was ably represented by Mr. Euggles, agreed to the following resolutions : Ist. That the Congress recommends that the existing units of money be reduced to a small number ; that each unit should be, as far as possible, decimally subdi- vided; that the coins in use should all be expressed in weights of the metric sys- tem, and should all be of the same degree of fineness, namely, nine tenths fine and one tenth alloy. 2d. That the different governments be invited to send to a special congress dele- gates, authorized to consider and report what should be the relative weights, in the metrical system, of the gold and silver coins, and to arrange the details by which the monetary system of different countries may be fixed according to the terms of the preceding propositions. This led to the recent Paris Conference, and to the adoption by Congress, in 1866, of several measures for the use of the metric system of weights and measures. At the Paris Conference nineteen nations 182 SPEECHES AND REPORTS OF JOHN SHERMAN. were represented, comprising a population of 320,000,000 European and American and 190,000,000 Asiatic. The Conference agreed with great unanimity upon the plan here- after stated, and the delegates from the United States were active and influential in harmonizing conflicting views and in securing the result arrived at. Upon the first part of their inquiry, your Committee therefore conclude that the object proposed is of the highest import- ance, constantly sought for at every period of the government, and that the United States is fully committed to its support if the plan proposed is practicable and just. Aside from the general advantages which we will share with the civilized world in attaining a uniform coinage, there are special reasons why the United States should now adopt the system. 1. The United States is the great gold-producing country of the world, now producing more than all other nations combined, and with a capacity for future production almost without limit. (See reports of Mr. Euggles and J. Ross Browne.) Gold with us is like cotton — a raw product. Its production here affects and regulates its value throughout the world. Every obstruction to its free use — such as the necessity of its recoinage when passing from nation to nation — dimin- ishes its value, and that loss falls upon the United States, the country of production. 2. The United States is a new nation, and therefore a debtor na- tion. By placing ourselves in harmony with the money units of creditor nations, we promote the easy borrowing of money and pay- ment of debts without the loss of recoinage or exchange, always paid by the debtor. This is necessarily so where the debt is payable abroad ; and, if payable here, the creditor discounts the exchange and difference in coinage in advance. 3. The technical rate of exchange between the United States and Great Britain, growing out of the different nominal values of coin, is a standing reproach which can be got rid of only by unifying the coin- age of the two countries, when both the real and technical rate of ex- change will be at par, with only such slight variations as will indicate the course of trade. 4. Gold is now demonetized as a currency, and the great bulk of it in the United States is now held in the Treasury, so that it is not possi- ble to select a time when this great international change of coinage could affect the interests of our people less. From inquiries made of the officers of the mint we find that the cost of remintmg the present coin would be less than one twentieth of one per centum. The fine- ness of the proposed coin being the same as the old, there will be no assav, and the cost of the change would not be perceptible to the holder of the coin, and scarcely so to the Government. Second. TJie second inquiry of your Coiumittce was whether the plan proposed b.y^ tlie Tiiris Conference was the best mode to accom- plish the end desired. It proposed : 1. A single standard, exclusively of gold. 2. Coins of equal weight and diameter. INTEENATIONAL MONETAKY STANDARD. 183 3. Of equal quality or fineness — ^nine tenths fine. 4. The weight of the present five-franc gold piece to be the unit. 5. The coins of each nation to bear the names and emblems pre- ferred byeach, but to be legal tenders, public and private, in all. The single standard of gold is an American idea, yielded reluct- antly by France and other countries, where silver is the chief standard of value. The impossible attempt to maintain two standards of value has given rise to nearly all the debasement of coinage of the last two centuries. The relative market value of silver and gold varied like other commodities, and this led first to the demonetization of the more valuable metal, and second to the debasement or diminution of the quantity of that metal in a given coin. In a short time the cheaper metal would by a diminished supply become the dearer metal, and then it would be debased and cheapened in the same way. This process re- peatedly occurred in Europe, and has twice occurred in the United States within the life of the present generation. By the act of June 28, 1834, our gold coin was reduced from 270 grains of standard gold to 258 grains, or 4-4 per centum, in order to make it correspond with the market value of silver. In consequence of the discovery of gold in California that metal was cheapened, and silver became relatively more valuable and was hoarded or exported. To avoid this, the weight of our silver coin was reduced by the act of January 21, 1853, from 206 grains of standard silver to 192 grains, or 6*7 per centum. This subject early excited the attention of financiers. Mr. Gorham, in his report of May 4, 1830, as Secretary of the Treasury, forcibly says : Amidst all the embaiTassments which have surrounded this subject since the adoption of metallic standards of property, it is remarkable that governments have so tenaciously persevered in the effort to maintain standards of different materials, whose relation it is so diificult to ascertain at any one time, and is so constantly changing; and more especially when a simple and certain remedy is within the reach of all. This remedy is to be found in the establishment of one standard measure of property only. The evil of having two or more standards arises, as already observed, from the impossibility of so fixing their relative values by law that one or the other may not, at times, become of more value in market than esti- njated by regulation ; and, when this happens, it will be bought and sold according to its market value, regardless of the law. The proposition that there can be but one standard in fact is self-evident. The option of governments charged with this duty is therefore between having property measured sometimes by gold and sometimes by silver, and selecting that metal which is best adapted to the purpose for the only standard. "Why the latter course has not been universally adopted it is not easy to explain, unless it may be attrib- uted to that prevalent delusioh which seeks to secure the possession of gold and silver by restraining their exportation, and avoiding the payment of debts rather than improving the public economy by giving every facility to it. The opportunity is now offered to the United States to secure a common international standard in the metal most valuable of all others, best adapted for coinage, mainly the product of our own country, and in conformity with a policy constantly urged by our statesmen, and now agreed to by the oldest and wealthiest nations of the world. Surely we should not hesitate for trifling considerations to secure so important an object. The equal weight and diameter of coins will guard against adulter- 184 SPEECHES AND REPOKTS OF JOHN 8HEEMAN. ation .and counterfeiting, and will familiarize our people with the metric system of weights and measures. This system is already used in some of our coins, and is permitted by our laws, and will by gradual means become adopted as the only international system. The provision made that each nation shall retain its own emblems will not impair the ready currency of coin, but wUl induce care in coinage. All the provisions of the plan proposed are in harmony with the American system of coinage. They are either already adopted or may be without inconvenience. The only point upon which a diversity of opinion may arise is as to the unit of value, and here the chief difficulty was not as to what particular quantity of gold was the best unit, but upon what quantity all the nations represented could agree. The unit recommended is the existing five-franc gold piece, 620 of which weigh a kilogramme. For the reasons that induced the adoption of this unit of value, reference is made by your Committee to the report of Mr. Euggles. They may be summed up as follows : 1. The coin proposed is the smallest gold coin^n use, and therefore the most convenient unit of value. 2. It approximates more nearly to the existing coinage of the great commercial nations than any other proposed. The doUar reduced mree and a half cents at the mint becomes the unit of value, and its decimal divisions and multiples enable us to retain all our well-known coins, both of gold and silver. A very slight reduction of the English sovereign makes it conform to the multiple of the dollar and franc, so that five francs are a doUar, and five dollars are a sovereign, or a half -eagle. The same unit is easily adapted to existing coinage of other nations. 3. The franc is already in use by 72,000,000 of the most industrious and thrifty people of Europe — France, Belgium, Italy, Switzerland, and Holland. i. The actual gold coinage in francs from 1793 to 1866 was 81,312,- 220,814, while the gold coinage in dollars during the same period was $845,536,591, and m sovereigns was $935,341,450 ; thus showing that in France alone the existing gold coinage on the proposed standard is greater than upon any other that could be adopted. It must be remembered that the great body of our coin and bullion has been exported, and is now in foreign coin ; that a lai'ge part of the remainder is held in the treasury ; and that less gold is in actual circu- lation in the United States than in any other great commercial nation. It is unreasonable, in view of these facts, for the United States to de- mand that our dollar, composed of 1,671 '50 milligrammes of gold, should be the standard of value. As the nation most mterested in inter- national coinage, we should be ready to yield something to secure that object. By the plan proposed we yield nothing except the very small reduction of the weight of our standiird, and witliout any other change in our coins, multiples, divisions, devices, or alloy. 5. France, whose standard is adopted, makes a new coin similar to our liall'-oagle. She yielded to our demand for the sole standard of g(»Id, and during the wliolo conference evinced the most earnest wish INTERNATIONAL MONETARY STANDARD. 185 to secure the cooperation of the United States in tlie great object of unification of coinage. Her metric system is by far the best yet de- vised, and is in general harmony with our own ; while Great Britain has refused even to negotiate with us for unity of coinage, and main- tains the most complex system of weights, measures, and coinage now in use among Christian nations. The decimal system, the basis of all our computations, she rejects, and adheres to the complex division of pounds, shillings, and pence, which we rejected with colonial depend- ence. These reasons induce your Committee to earnestly urge the adop- tion by the United States of the general plan of the Paris conference. Third. — ^What le^slation is necessary on the part of the United States to adapt our comage to the plan proposed ? On this point your Committee have consulted the Secretary of the Treasury and the Director of the Mint. The bill herewith reported is the result of this conference, and is all that is needed to secure the object proposed. The provisions in regard to silver coinage are urged 6y the Director of the Mint to secure harmony between the present market value of gold and silver; but this coinage can be regulated hereafter by the varying values of the two metals, and without dis- turbing the sole legal standard of value for large sums. The general provisions of existing law relating to coinage are preserved. Fourth. — What provisions, if any, should be made for existing contracts ? Shall they be discharged in the money made a legal tender at the date of the contracts, or in the money provided for by this biU ? In determining this question, a distinction must be made between public and private debts. All private contracts are made in view of the power of Congress to regulate the value of coins. This power has been repeatedly exercised by Congress, and in no case was any provi- sion made for enforcing existing contracts in the old rather than the new standard. All property and contracts may be affected by legisla- tion, but it is not presumed that in the exercise of its legislative power Congress will be controlled by either the debtor or creditor, but only by the general good. To continue a distinction between the old and the new coin in the payment of private debts would result in great inconvenience, while making the new coin a legal tender for aU debts after a reasonable time would enable our citizens to conform the great body of their contracts to the new standard. Such has been the prac- tice not only in the United States but in other countries, where from time to time the standard of coin has been changed. Such was the principle adopted in the passage of the present legal-tender act, which if made appHcable only to future contracts would have bankrupted a large portion of the active business men of the country, whose busi- ness compelled them to contract debts. It must be remembered that all private debts are now on the basis of legal-tender notes, of far less intrinsic value than the proposed coin. The depreciation of legal tenders had the effect to diminish the value of aU debts and the property of all creditors to the extent of the de- preciation, and was only justifiable by the highest considerations of national safety. The resulting process of returning to a specie basis 186 SPEECHES AND REPORTS OF JOHN SHERMAN. will be far more severe on the debtor class. The lessening of the burden of debt is a loss to a class generally benefited bv the increased value of fixed property, and better able to bear the diminution of their capital ; but an increase of the burden of the debt to the debtor class, by requiring payment in coin instead of in depreciated paper money, often produces absolute rain without fault in the debtor. AU con- tracts are now on the legal-tender basis. Every private creditor would now take the new coin, and would be largely benefited by the changed medium of payment. The small relief of the debtor by the slightly diminished standard of coin will tend tathat degree to lessen the un- avoidable hardship to him of a return to specie payment. This relief would be especially just on the payment of long bonds issued by rail- roads and other corporations during or since the war, which were al- most uniformly sold for depreciated paper money. Your Committee therefore conclude that, as to all, private debts or contracts, the only provision necessary in this bill is to postpone the operation of its legal- tender clause for a reasonable time after the passage of the act. Does not a different principle prevail as to public debts ? As to public debts, the contract of loan is the only law that ought to affect the creditor until his debt is fully discharged. Congress, as the au- thorized agent of the American people^ is one party to the contract, and it may no more vary the contract by subsequent acts than any other debtor may vary his contract. As to the public creditor, no le- gislative power stands between him and the exact performance of his contract. Public faith holds the scales between liim and the United States, and the penalties for a breach of this faith are far more severe and disastrous to the nation than courts, constables, and sheriffs can be to the private debtor. These penalties are national dishonor and inabil- ity to borrow money in case of war or public distress, and the ultimate result is the sure and speedy decline of national power and prestige. When changes in our coin were made in 1834 and 1853, the United States had no public debt of any significance, and the precedents then made do not apply to the present time. Now the public debt is so large that a change of three and one half per cent, in the value of our coin is a reduction of the public debt of $90,000,000. So much of this debt as exists in the form of legal-tender notes will be received and disbursed as money ; and, as its value for some time will be less than that of the new coin, no provision need be made for it ; but of so much of the debt as is payable, principal or interest, in coin of a spe- cific weight and value, provision ought to be made for the exact dis- charge in that coin or its equivalent in the new. Your Committee, therefore, propose an amendment to that effect. Your Committee have been led to inquire whether, if the United States adopt the plan of the Paris Conference, it will be adopted by other nations so_ as to accomplish the object proposed of an interna- tional currency, of universal circulation tliroughout the civilized world. Upon this point we have tlio most satisfactory assurances. Since the Paris Conference it has been adopted by Austria, and will in all human probability bo adopted by the North German Confederation. A strong party in Great Britain, including many of her ablest PUBLIC DEBT AND OUKEENOY. 187 statesmen and the great body of her commercial classes, has urged the adoption of the plan, even in advance of the United States ; and they concur in the opinion that, if adopted by the United States, Great Britain will be induced by her interests to modify her sovereign to, the international standard. We have the highest authority for say- ing that Canada stands ready to adopt the plan the moment it is adopt- ed by the United States. Different representatives of the South American States say those States will readily adopt it. So that upon Congress now rests the fate of a measure that, according to the opin- ion of emiaent American statesmen, will shed unfading glory upon the age of its adoption, that will give to international law an interna- tional coinage, and wiU lead to a vast extension of the objects of inter- national law common to Christian and civilized nations, thus binding the whole family of man by the same ties that are uniting and con- solidating neighboring states. Your Committee recommend the adop- tion of this measure with certain amendments, with the conviction that it will not only promote the local interests of the United States, but will subserve the general interests of all the nations who have already joined or may hereafter join in its adoption. PUBLIC DEBT AND CURRENCY. Zar TEE SENATE OF THE UNITED STATES, JANUARY 27, 1869. The Senate having nnder consideration tlie bill in relation to the public debt and tbe currency, Mr. Sberman said : Mr. PnEsroENT : I suppose it is expected of me to state in general terms the reasons that influenced the Committee on Finance to report this measure, and also to state why other measures of a financial char- acter referred to the Committee have not received its sanction. And, in the first place, it is but right to recall the embarrassments of the Committee, not only from the intrinsic difficulties of the sub- jects referred to us, but from the great diversity of opinion that exists in all parts of the country as to the proper measures to be adopted. I appeal to no party to sustain this measure, yet we must all recognize the difiiculty of harmonizing the great diversities of opinion that exist on financial measures, except by a partial surrender of individual opinion and something like a party support of any measure that may be agreed upon. In order to consider this measure properly, we must have a clear perception of what is sought to be accomplished. The object we have in view is to appreciate our currency to the standard of gold as rapidly as the public interest will allow. Our present currency or " lawful money " consists of notes of the United States, and these are a legal tender in payment of all debts. Based upon them, and of equal value with them, is a subsidiary currency of notes of national banks, and these are redeemable in United States notes, and are receivable in pay- 188 SPEECHES AND EEP0ET8 OF JOHN SHERMAN. ment of taxes. "We have also a form of demand notes, convertible at the wiU of the holder into lawful money, called three per cent, certi- iicates. "We have also a f ractionalpaper currency which is convertible into lawful money on demand. These four species of notes compose the paper currency of the country, and the amount of each is stated as follows : United States notes $356,021,073 National-bank notes 299,806,665 Three per cent, certificates 66,865,000 Fractional currency 34,216,'716 In all $745,908,353 All this currency is by law at par. By law it is either made the standard of value or may at pleasure be converted into the standard of value. It is the legal measure of all commodities and of all debts, except for duties on imported goods and interest of the public debt. But in truth and in fact it is not at par in the standard money of the world. One dollar of it has only the same purchasing power as seventy- four cents in gold. Gold, which is real money — ^not the representa- tive of money, but money itself, of intrinsic value, recognized as such by every man in all civilized countries and in all ages of the world — f^old is demonetized by the law, cannot be collected in the courts, and, ike cotton or wheat, is treated as a commodity whose value is meas- ured by what we call " lawful money." N'ow, it seems to me that the first step in our investigation should be to abandon the attempt to reason from a false standard. We must, to begin with, recognize the immutable law of currency ; and that is, there is but one true standard, and that standard is gold. Since the earliest records of humanity gold and silver have been employed as the equivalent for effecting exchanges. From Solon to our day innu- merable attempts have been made to substitute something else as money, but in spite of all gold and silver have maintained their exclu- sive dominion as the money of mankind. The gold in the shield of Achilles, the shekels that bought the field at Machpelah, the pieces of silver that were the price of the blood of our Saviour, will be cun-ent coin when the completed history of nations now rising into greatness shall be folded away among the records of time. No nation can permanently adopt a standard of value that will not be controlled and regulated by the standard of gold. No degree of isolation, no expedient of legislation, can save any nation which main- tains any intercourse with foreign nations from the operation of this supreme law. Like the tides of the ocean or the movements of the planets, it is beyond our jurisdiction. This higher law of the standard of values will sooner or later govern and regulate all prices, even of commodities that do not enter into foreign exclianges. ' It is utterly idle for a commercial people like the United Statos,^with a foreign com- merce of $800,000,()()() annually, with citizens trading in every port of the world, and receiving annually four hundred thousand immigrants, to attempt to escape from the operation of this primary law of trade. Different nations liavc tried various expedients to evade it, and have PUBLIC DEBT AND OUEEENOY. 189 always failed. For centuries gold and silver coins were clipped and alloyed, but it only took more of them to buy a certain commodity. In modern times paper money or credit has been substituted for real money. Laws compelled the people to take paper as money. As long as this money did not exceed the amount of real money in the country, it operated well._ It promoted exchanges and gave great activity to enterprises, and its nominal value was the same as its real value. "But when the paper money was increased or the gold exported, the paper money depreciated ; it had less purchasing power, prices rose, and either the paper money became demonetized, was rejected and repudiated, or the false standard was advanced in value to the gold standard. The most successful attempt to substitute paper money for real money took ^lace in Great Britain in 1797. The Bank of England, then having in circulation $55,000,000 of notes, was forbidden by an act of Parliament to pay its notes in coin, and they were in effect made a legal tender. By 1810 the amount of them was gradually increased to $110,000,000. It was observed that, though gold was demonetized and its export prohibited, yet its market value bad risen near twenty per cent., or from £46 14s. 6d. to £56 for a pound of gold. An emi- nent writer on political economy called attention to this fact as conclu- sive evidence of the depreciation of the paper currency. A committee of the House of Commons, of whom were several of the most eminent statesmen and financiers of England, gave the subject a careful exami- nation, and the result was the famous " bullion report." A majority of this committee agreed that in spite of the act of Parliament gold was still the true standard of value, and, measured by this standard, the currency was depreciated by an excess of Bank of England notes. They say "that no safe, certain, and constantly adequate provision against an excess of paper currency, either occasional or permanent, can be formed, except in the convertibility of all such paper into specie." Still driven by the pressure of war, the bank issued more notes, and their depreciation continued until the close of the war. The bank slowly entered upon the hard task of appreciating its notes to the gold standard. During our brief national history we have made several efforts to siibstitute paper money for real money. Continental money was a revolutionary effort to coin paper into money. General Spinner has had occasion recently to inform some Kip Van Winkle, who wished continental money re'deemed in lawful money, that provision had been made to redeem it at the rate of one dollar in coin for one hundred dollars continental money, but even this poor privilege expired in 1793. During the war of 1812 the United States undertook to treat State- bank bills as lawful money. They soon became depreciated ; and when the war was over, and it became necessary to appreciate them to the gold standard, notes, banks, and debtors were swept into general bank- ruptcy, and the people commenced again upon the solid basis of gold and silver coin. So, during our civil war, both the United States and the rebels undertook to make paper not merely the representative of money, but real money. The paper money of the rebels followed the course 190 SPEECHES AND REPORTS OF JOHN SHERMAN. of continental money and French assignats. Ours, car&fuUy limited in amount, supported by heavy taxes and by great resources, is stiU called lawful money ; but, after all, its value is daily measured by the gold standard. It is only the substitute of money, to be paid at a future day, and is not real money. Even silver, long the standard of value among civilized nations, is now demonetized in some of them from the impossibility of maintain- ing a double standard. It was found by experience that the market value of these two precious metals varied as the production of one or the other increased in amount, thus creating confusion and compelling alterations in the coinage. The result is that silver in Great Britain and the United States is a legal tender for but small amounts, while gold is the universal standard of value. Even the stamp fixed by a Government in the process of coining does not make it money or change its value. It only certifies to its weight and fineness as a matter of convenience and not as an addition of value. Indeed, the mechanical process of coining has frequently reduced the market value of the gold by making it necessary to recoin it when exported. Let us, then, recognize as an axiom that nothing but coin is real money before we undertake to deal with our currency. Senators may think I consume too much time in dealing with an apparent truism ; but it will be foimd that the denial of this truism, both in Congress and among the people, is the cause of most of the confusion in the pub- lic mind as to our currency. It affects our minds as it affected the Englishman in 1810. When told that the Bank of England note was depreciated, he said : " Is not this pound note worth twenty shilKngs, and you tell me it is only worth sixteen ? " Or like- the reasoning of the learned priests in the time of Galileo, who saw the sun moving around the four corners of the earth, and knew that Galileo was an impostor. So we reckon our paper money at par, and, having made a god with our own hands, compare all -other gods by it. We must, then, abandon the false standard, set up again the true one, and compare our money, our productions, our wealth, and our resources by it, or we shall be led by false premises into the most erroneous conclusions. And yet this does not impugn the wisdom of a paper curi-ency founded upon the credit of a nation, or of its being made in times of great public danger a legal tender in payment of debts. Such paper money has exercised a powerful influence in ancient as well as modem history. It saved Eome in her fierce conflict with Hannibal. It en- abled Great Britain to maintain her wars against Napoleon. Without paper money, and, as I beheve, without mailing it a legal tender, we could not have mustered and maintained our immense armies during the recent war. Gold was banished by the Avar. The quantity was too small for the vast expenditure required. We had then no legal paper representative of value. The State-bank notes were wisely ex- cluded from national circulation. We then cautiously issued our legal- tender notes, carefully limiting their amount, and only increasing the amount when we could not borrow them back at a reasonable rate of interest. We called them lawful money, and as a measure of the high- est necessity (-(jnipelled our citizens to receive thorn as such ; but after PUBLIC DEBT AND OUERENOY. 191 all they were only a forced substitute for money, the promise to pay money, and not real money. Though they were made the legal stand- ard of value, their own value was daily fixed in gold in the open mar- ket in New York. "We watched their depreciation during the dark days of the war, and tried to arrest it. We utterly failed. The effort was patriotic, but it was impossible. England did the same in her wars. She passed laws forbidding the purdiase and sale or exportation of gold, but, like ours, her efforts were abortive. I am not ashamed to confess my part in all the efforts made during the war to maintain our paper money as the true standard of value, and I confess it was impos- sible. Every intelligent business man watched daily the gold barome- ter, which with unerring certainty fixed the value of our greenbacks, of our public credit and bonds, as it did the value of our cotton and com. A distinction between the standard of value and the actual- agent of exchange must always be' kept in view. One must be gold, and the other ought to be paper money convertible iato gold. Such paper cur- rency, with proper measures to meet panics or extreme drains of specie, is proven by all experience to be the best possible currency that has yet been devised by man. An unmixed coin currency cannot exist in a commercial country, for necessity will compel, merchants wiU devise, and the people will use some representative of money, whether it be bankers' bills of exchange, certificates of deposit, or bank or Govern- ment paper money. And one unbending, unrelaxing rule that compels payment in coin at all times, during panics, distress, or war, as well as in peace, will periodically produce disaster and bankruptcy. The requi- sites of a good currency are : 1. That it be a paper currency. 2. That it be amply secured either by the credit of a nation or by unquestioned collaterals. 3. That except in extreme cages of panic it be convertible into coin. 4. That provision be made for a suspension of the right to demand coin during such panics. And the only legislative questions that can arise on these points are whether the paper money should be issued by the nation or by cor- porators, and what relief should be provided in case of a necessary sus- pension of specie payments. As to the first question, both England and the United States have settled upon a bank currency secured by the public credit. As to the second, they have tried various devices, as the raising of the rate of interest, a temporary suspension of pay- ments, making the paper a legal tender ; but all these expedients are merely temporary to bridge over a war, a panic, a period of starvation, or an unnatural adverse balance of trade. They are remedies in sick- ness, to be discarded the moment that health comes again. "Whatever theorists may suggest, however sugar-coated the remedy may be, there is but one test of a healthy paper currency, and that is its convertibiUty into gold coin. If, then, gold only is the true standard of money ,_ why shall we not commence our financial measures by restoring it to its place as a legal standard of money ? "Why not allow our citizens to base their future 192 SPEECHES AND REPORTS OF JOHN SHERMAN. contracts on gold ? Why not enforce these contracts in the courts as legal and valid ? There are difficulties in applying a new standard to existing contracts made upon a different standard ; but this difficulty does not apply to future contracts. We wish to restore specie pay- ments, and yet we forbid all men from dealing in specie. Such con- tracts are put upon the sapie legal footing as gammg contracts. It would seem that, if we are at all smcere in wishing specie payments, we should not only allow specie contracts, but should encourage them. Contracts to a vast amount are now from necessity made upon the gold basis. All our foreign commerce, exports and imports, amounting annually to over eight hundred million dollars, are based upon gold. The price of all public securities is fixed by the gold standard of Lon- don and Frankfort. The sale of aU imported goods by the importer to the jobber is by the gold standard. The daily transactions in gold in New York often amount to $100,000,000. On the Pacific slope gold is the only standard of value. We cannot alter this if we would. Why not recognize the fact, legalize these contracts, and conform our measures to the gradual adjustment of existing contracts, including paper money, to the standard of gold ? And, sir, let us also recognize the general principle that it is wiser and more in accordance with the spirit of our Government to leave this adjustment to the voluntary contracts of the people, than to undertake it by arbitrary rules of law. If our people are left free, they can do this without injury to debtor or creditor, without confiscation of propei'ty, and without any change in its intrinsic value. For these reasons the Committee on Finance regard the first section of this bill, which legalizes gold contracts, as an indispensable prelimi- nary to any plan for appreciating our currency to gold. This section has twice received the sanction of the Senate, and its primary impor- tance has generally been admitted in popular discussions. ■ The objections to this section are stated by the Senator from Indi- ana [Mr. Morton] as follows : The means he suggests for returning to specie payments are twofold. The first is to legalize specific contracts to be executed in coin. I voted for a bill for that purpose last session without much consideration, and have since become satisfied it was an error. The unwary would be enticed into such contracts by the crafty, and those in straitened circumstances or under heavy pressure would be forced into them. No man can safely make a contract to be executed in coin while the cur- rency is depreciated and the financial condition of the country is fluctuating. Such contracts, where not brought about by coercion and fraud, would be in the nature of gold gambling — the one party trusting that gold would be at a large premium when the contract was due, and the other that it would oommaud little or none. It could hardly be distinguished from a contract for the delivery of gold at a future time. This whole objection is based upon the theory that contracts cannot be safely left to the free assent of the parties thereto ; tliat the parties cannot be trusted to make their own contracts, lest the creditor oppress the debtor. Sir, the time is not likely to come in our day when the crafty will not have the advantage of the unwaiy. If we were legis- lating to protect tlie unwary, we should not for a day permit the exist- ence of inconvertible paper money. Mr. Webster said that, " of all the PUBLIC DEBT AND OUEEENOT. 193 contrivances for cheating the laboring classes of mankind, none has been more effectual than that which deludes them with paper money." The chief reason is- that such paper money is so fluctuating that none but the intelligent and crafty can estimate its fluctuations, while the unwary assume that it is ecjuivalent to gold. If we, then, legislate to protect the unwary, we should require all contracts to be on the gold basis ; but experience shows that the true basis of contracts is the assent of the parties. We can leave the interest of parties to regulate equiva- lents, and we can protect a gold contract against usury and fraud much more easily than a contract payable in currency. The Senator from Indiana proposes to add to the burden of existing contracts an annual interest equivalent to twelve per cent, by requiring gold payment in two and a half years. If the parties are left to adjust this matter by contract, they are not likely to adopt a more severe measure to the debtor than that. If it is unsafe to allow parties to make a contract in coin, how can they be allowed to make contracts in currency to be appreciated to coin in two and a half years ? If coin contracts are brought about by coercion and fraud, the courts will not enforce them ; and, if gold is required as a consideration for payment of a currency contract, it is usurious and will not be enforced. Practi- cally, any law requiring a resumption of specie payments is a law add- ing to the amount of a currency debt the full depreciation of the cur- rency, unless you either scale the debt or allow the parties to adjust the matter between themselves. The former proposition is indefensible, and the latter is the only way by which the creditor and debtor may by mutual agreement adjust a currency contract by equivalent coin. All contracts to pay money are contracts for the dehvery of gold ; and a contract in currency is only a contract to pay an indefinite amount of gold, depending upon the uncertain depreciation of the currency at the time of the payment. Why may not the parties fix for themselves the amount of gold to be paid, rather than leave it to be fixed by the bulls and bears ? When contracts are authorized in gold, all the provisions of the municipal law which, protect contracts from fraud, usury, or coercion, apply to them as well as to contracts in currency. And the reason why such contracts were ever forbidden was because public policy demanded for a time the suspension of specie payments ; while now the very fact that we are providing for specie payments is conclu- sive in favor of the policy of specie contracts in the future. Every such contract smooths the way to a general resumption. If they become general, gold now hoarded will be let loose. This wiU produce an expansion of the currency. When during specie payments we estimate the aggregate of currency, we add the amount of specie to the amount of convertible jjaper money. So, when specie payments are suspended, if specie can be made to perform some of the functions of currency, it adds so much to the volume of the currency ; and, when specie contracts become general, the process of resumption is complete. Again, while specie is the best standard of currency, it is not the most convenient for transportation, even from hand to hand. To obvi- ate this, commercial paper, bills of exchange, drafts, and certificates of deposit have been devised for distant exchanges, and paper money cour 13 194 SPEECHES AND BEP0RT8 OF JOHN SHERMAN. vertible into coin has been used for exchanges from hand to hand. When yoti authorize contracts in gold and make a demand for gold, you at once unlock for daily use the coin now hoarded in private hands. You can then provide the most important agency of modem times — a convertible paper currency, always equal in value to gold, its true rep- resentative, easy to guard, conceal, and transport. It is only by restor- ing gold contracts that you can safely avail yourself of all the multiplied uses of paper money. When this is done, gold now lying idle in the Treasury may be utilized, made to produce an interest by the issue of coin notes based upon it, and gradually to perform all the uses of money now performed by a depreciated currency. This is the basis of the fourth section of the bill, which utilizes the gold by the issue of gold notes based upon it, and their application to the purchase of bonds and the reduction of interest. And the right to make contracts in gold may now safely and prop- erly be extended to banks organized under the national banting system. Upon a deposit of bonds, banks may be authorized to issue gold notes equal to sixty-five per cent, of the value of United States bonds de- posited to secure their circulation. Their payment vrill be in coin, but in all other respects they may be subject to the general provisions and limitations of the banking act. Many of the banks, especially in com- mercial cities, will gladly avail themselves of such a provision to with- draw their present circulation and substitute gold notes convertible on demand into coin. With such a provision and on such a basis the sys- tem may be free, and thus aU the embarrassing questions about the inequality of the distribution of banking circulation will be avoided. A right conferred upon all, without limit as to amount and upon regu- lations applicable to all, would at once secure to the South and West new banking facilities, and would rapidly tend to substitute coin or its equivalent for legal-tender notes, and without the severe process of contraction. The objection made, that this would create two currencies of unequal values, applies as well to the present state of the currency, for we have now two currencies of unequal value — gold and legal tenders. If we are sincere in wishing specie payments, we must not only increase the demand for coin, but we must encourage coin conti-acts, and authorize the issue of coin notes, both by the United States and by the banks, and thus without contraction dispense with the use of the inferior and depreciated currency. The superior value of coin notes, their use in commercial cities, their convenience in the gold-producing States, will soon give them higher credit, and secure them in every part of the country. I am confident that under such a system the national banlis will, if allowed, and before specie payments are resumed, substitute coin notes for their present circulation, and that, too, without diminishing the aggregate of circula- tion. Many of them luive now reserves and profits enough to make the requisite deposit of additional bonds ; and the gold certificates now issued from the Treasury might be used for their coin reserves without creating new demands for coin. There is but one other consideration I wish to urge in favor of the PUBLIO DEBT AND CUREENOY. 195 sections of this bill relating to gold contracts and gold notes, and that grows out of the doubt that rests upon the validity of the legal-tender act. ■ "We must not forget that currency contracts depend not upon the agreement of parties, but entirely upon the validity of that act. This has always been doubted, and is now contested before the Supreme Court. I remember very well the discussions in the Senate when this act passed. Its validity was then denied by Judge Collamer and other able jurists, and it was only maintained by myself and other Senators from the imperative necessity of supporting armies then in the field. This necessity has long since ceased. There can be no pretense that as to future contracts there is any necessity that the public credit should take the place of real money. The legal-tender act is only material as it affects existing contracts. Is it wise to continue a measure only jus- tified by a grave public necessity when the necessity has passed ? It may be that the Supreme Court will deny the validity of the legal-ten- der act, or limit its operation to existing contracts made since its passage. It may subject currency contracts to enforcement in coin. Is it not wiser to bridge over this uncertainty by authorizing the adjustment of this matter between the creditor and debtor ? Again, sir, the law as it now stands is prodiictive of gross injustice. You require nearly one half of your taxes to be paid in gold, and yet you will not enforce a contract by which the merchant buys the gold for you. Cargoes of tea, coffee, and merchandise can only be bought in gold, and yet, if property is delivered upon a promise to pay gold, it cannot be enforced. Gross and palpable injustice may be done in a multitude of transactions necessarily based upon gold by appealing to the legal-tender act. I conclude, then, this branch of the subject by the earnest opinion that it was a good policy three years ago, and it is good policy now, to allow all parties to stipulate the time, the amount, and the me- dium of payment, subject to the general laws relating to fraud, usury, and force. Free trade ia domestic productions, liberty to contract and be contracted with, has never been restrained before. Let us restore these rights ; and, having also provided a paper representative of the coin in the Treasury of the United States and a bank currency con- vertible into gold and founded upon the highest securities, let us now deal with the much more diiScult question — the appreciation of the present currency to the standard of gold. If this question affected alone the Government of the United States, we might resume specie payments very soon. By funding a portion of the united States notes, by requiring the banks to maintain their fun reserves in legal tenders, by withdrawing the three per cent, cer- tificates, and by the use of the gold in the Treasury, we could resume at once. This process might increase the bonded indebtedness of the United States $100,000,000 and the interest $5,000,000 ; but our rev- enues are ample in gold to pay the increased interest, and the actual saving in the current expense of the Government by the reduction of prices to the gold standard would be double and perhaps quadruple the increased interest. The body of our expenditure, the interest of the public debt, is now payable in gold ; and its burden would not be in- 196 SPEECHES AND REPORTS OF JOHN SHERMAN. creased by specie payments, while the saving in expenditure and the {)robable saving by the funding of the debt at a lower interest would argely exceed any interest we would have to pay on notes withdrawn from circulation. And, if the burden of resumption fell alone upon the national banks, the task would be an easy one,. Their securities, deposited with the Treasurer of the United States, are now nearly equal in gold to the amount of their circulation. A call under the banking act of ten per cent, additional security could be easily met by the great body of them, and thus enable them to resume whenever the United States is prepared to do so. Their profits in the past have been large. Those not now strong enough to perform the gi-eat object of their organization, namely, to furnish a uniform currency convertible into gold, may well give way to other banks ready to take their places. But redemption by the banks means redemption by all their debtons — ^by tlje merchants, manufacturers, and traders of the country. And we are therefore compelled to deal with this question, not as it afiects the United States and the banks merely, but as it affects all the people of the United States. How will the appreciation of the currency affect their interests ? A person entirely out of debt and possessed of pro- ductive property would not be affected by the change. His property would be of less nominal but of the same intrinsic value ; its producing capacity would be undiminished, and it would buy the same food, cloth- ing, and necessaries of life. If the currency is depreciated, it will take more of it to purchase an article ; if it is appreciated, it will take less ; but the appreciation or depreciation of the currency does not affect the value of other com- modities relative to each other. This can only be affected by supply and demand, and ultimately by the cost of production. So a man without property and not in debt, but who depends upon his labor for his support, is not in the end affected merely by an appre- ciation in the currency. His wages may be less, but what he receives of the appreciated currency has the same purchasing power as the higher wages received before. The change does affect him for a time, for land and labor are the last commodities to feel a change in the cmTcncy. The immediate effect of a depreciation in the currency is injm-ious to him, for his food and clothing rise in price more quickly than liis labor ; but appreciation of the currency is immediately beneficial to him, for the reason that his labor does not fall as quickly as food and clothing. The value of labor, however, may be disastrously affected by the mode of appreciation. If it is brought about by a sudden contraction, the result will be a suspension of work, of enterprises, and consequently a reduction in the price of labor. Persons of fixed salaries and incomes are benefited by an apprecia- tion of the currency to the full extent of tlie appreciation. Their in- comes have increased purchasing power, and they are enabled to extend their purchases, supply new wants, and add to their capital. Deprecia- tion of the currency produced the opposite effect during the war, carry- ing distress and ])overty into many comfortable homes. It fell with severe effect upon preachers, widows, and old men, who saw the pur- PUBLIC DEBT AND CURRENCY. 197 chasing power of their annuities melt away, and a condition of inde- pendence destroyed. They will, by an appreciation of the currency, be restored to their own again. Merchants, dealers, traders, and bankers will be affected by an ap- preciation of the currency according to the proportion their debts and credits bear to each other. If they owe more than they can promptly coUect on debts due to them, they must lose to the fuU extent of the appreciation. As a general rule, any appreciation of the currency is injurious to all these classes, for they are generally in debt ; and even where enough is due them to pay with, yet the delay in payment or the failure of their debtors almost always embarrasses them. Commer- cial and banking usage compels promptness, so that a . merchant or a banker, however prudent he may be, is often compelled to sacrifice his asset's to meet a sudden appreciation of the currency. But the distress caused by an appreciation of the currency falls mainly on the debtor ; others suffer only by reason of his inability to pay. What does specie payment mean to a debtor ? It means the pay- ment of one hundred and thirty-five dollars where he has agreed to pay one hundred, or, which is the same thing, the payment of one hundred dollars where he has agreed to pay seventy-four. Where he has pur- chased property and paid for one fourth of it, it means the loss of the amount paid ; it means the addition of one fourth to all currency debts in the United States. A measure to require a debtor now to pay his debt in gold or currency equivalent to gold requires him to pay one hundred and thirty-five bushels of wheat when he agreed to pay one hundred ; and, if this appreciation is extended through a period of three years, it requires him to pay an interest of twelve per cent, in addition to the rate he has agreed to pay. When we consider the enormous in- debtedness of a new country like ours, where capital is scarce, and where credit has been substituted for capital, it presents a diflBculty that may well cause us to pause. We may see that the chasm must be crossed, but it wiU make us wary of our footsteps. Good faith and public policy demand that we appreciate our currency to gold ; but in the process we must be careful that bankruptcy, distress, and want do not result. The debtors of this country include the active, enterprising, energetic men in aH the various employments of life. It is a serious proposition to change their contracts so as in effect to require them to pay one third more than they agreed to pay. They have not paused in their business to study questions of political economy. They have based their operations upon this money, which has been declared to be lawful money. Its relative value may be changed, but a reasonable opportu- nity should be given them to change their contracts so as to adapt them to the new standards of value. Before discussing the measure proposed by the Committee, which Senators may consider not specific or rapid enough, let us look to his- tory for lights to guide us in a most diflEicult and dangerous passage. The appreciation of the currency is a far more distressing opera- tion than Senators may suppose. Our own and other nations have gone through it before, and always with the sorest distress. Some- times they have repudiated the depreciated currency, to the utter de- 198 SPEEOriES AND REP0ET8 OF JOHN SHERMAN. struction of credit and trade, and, from the necessity of the case, fallen back upon barter and gold. As I have already stated, such was the case with the continental money,- with the French assignats, and with Confederate scrip. We have also to guide us several examples of the appreciation of a debased currency. At the revolution of 1688 in England, the silver coin, then a legal tender, had become so depreciated by wear and by clipping as to be worth only seventy-five per cent, of the mint standarcf, and this was practically the only currency. As all prices and obligations of debt had become adjusted to the lowered value of the existmg coin, it was proposed either to reduce the mint standard to the current standard, or to issue new shillings of fuU value. The latter proposition was ad- vocated by Isaac !N^ewton and John Locke, the two " foremost men of all the world," who contended that if the loss of recoinage was thrown upon the mint it would not afEect individuals at all. This view was strongly opposed by practical merchants, but new shillings of full value were issued and exchanged for the old depreciated ones at par. As between the mint and the holder of the old shillings this was aU right ; but the effect was immediately disastrous upon all prices. It took one third more commodities to get the new shillings, but the same number of shillings as before was required to pay a debt. Merchants, traders, and debtors were ruined. The Bank of England, then in its infancy, only escaped failure by issuing its notes payable in install- ments. A rival bank was utterly wrecked. Small capitalists found themselves ruined, and laborers and artisans deprived of employment. Hence the unpopularity of William III. and the prevalence of general discontent during his reign. A condition of currency similar to our own existed in Great Brit- ain after the general peace of 1815. For eighteen years the notes of the Bank of England were practically a legal tender, and upon them, as upon our greenbacks, was based a cuiTency issued by the country banl^. Though the aggregate of all this paper circulation never amounted to $250,000,000, yet at times it depreciated from twenty to thirty per cent. When the war waa over measures were slowly adopted for its appreciation to the gold standard. These measures resulted in a reduction of the paper currency from $231,000,000 in 1815 to $152,- 000,000 in 1821. Commercial paper, discounted at the Bank of Eng- land, fell from $75,000,000 in 1815 to $13,000,000 in 1821. It is only necessary to appeal to the histories of the time to sl\ow the disastrous effect. The purchasing value of capital was increased fifty per cent. A thousand dollars in 1821 would buy more than eighteen hundred dollars in 1815. Small traders, debtors, and laborei-s were reduced to the sorest distress. The loss to them was far greater than the actual depreciation of the currency, for all confidence and trust were lost. The only compensation to Great Britain was the rapid fall in the rate of interest from the abundance of idle capital, which enabled her to reduce the interest of her public debt within a short period to three per cent. If Senators wish other examples of the severe process of passing from a depreciated currency to a gold currency, or to a paper currency PUBLIC DEBT AND CUEKENOY. 199 convertible into gold, let them read the story of the times after the Revolntion and the war of 1812, and after the revulsion of 1837, aU of which were periods of transition from a depreciated paper currency to a convertible paper currency. Sir, it is not possible to take this voyage without sore distress. To every person except a capitalist out of debt, or to the salaried officer or annuitant, it is a period of loss, danger, prostration of trade, fall of wages, suspension of enterprise, banEruptcy, and disaster. To every rauroad it is an addition of at least one third to the burden of its debt ; and more than that, deduc- tion from the value of its stock. To every bank it means the neces- sity of paying one hundred and fifty dollars for one hundred of its notes and deposits, except so far as the bank may transfer this to its debtors. It means the ruin of all dealers whose debts are twice their capital, though one third less than their property. It means the fall of all agricultural 'productions without any very great reduction of taxes. To attempt this task suddenly, by a surprise upon our people, by at once paralyzing their industry, by arresting them in the midst of lawful business and applying a new standard of value to their prop- erty, without any reduction of their debt or giving them an opportu- nity to compound with their creditors or distribute their loss, would be an act of folly without example in modern times. It is sometimes said that we did this in the passage of the legal-ten- der act ; that we inflicted the same loss on the creditor that we now deprecate for the debtor. This is not true. The effect of the legal- tender act was undoubtedly to depreciate our notes, but the process was very slow and gradual. For more than a year it scarcely operated as a depreciation, and during all that time the capital paid off by depreciated notes was invested in bonds, bank stocks, railroads, and manufacturing pursuits created by the war, which yielded as much in gold as the capi- tal produced before the war. Capital lost nothing by the war even when paid in greenbacks, for the demands for capital during the war made ample amends for the loss by the depreciation in greenbacks. It is estimated that the interest-bearing capital of this country now is, upon the gold basis, more than double that of 1860. And, if it were true that appreciation now would only work the same injury to the debtor that depreciation did to the creditor, we should not be justified in in- flicting in peace the injuries which were justified by war ; and the creditor, who is usuallv the holder of property, is better able to bear the loss of a portion of the money due him than the debtor is to bear an addition to his burden. Our power over the creditor is unlimited ; we may levy taxes upon him to any amount ; but we have no power to vary a contract or add to the burden of an existing debt. The question then remains. What mode of appreciation of the value of greenbacks will operate least injuriously to the varied business in- terests of our constituents? And upon this point your Committee, after the most careful consideration, have come to the conclusion that the only and best plan is to allow the legal-tender notes to be funded at the pleasure of the holder into interest-bearing bonds of the United States. In designating the bond, we have selected that now familiar to the 200 SPEECHES AND REPORTS OF JOHN" SHERMAN. people, the ten-forty bond. Its market value is now but slightly above that of the legal tenders, so that the process of appreciation of the notes will be slow, and their value will advance only with the improv- ing credit of the country. This bond bears as low a rate of interest as we are likely to negotiate, but is of such intrinsic value that we may hope to see it at par with gold within a short period. It will enable us after ten years to take advantage of the money market to reduce the interest still further. Its credit is supported by a permanent appropri- ation from- a fund suflBcient without further act of Congress to pay off every dollar of the debt in twenty-five years. Again, sir, this provision of the bill is right when tested by the moral sense. "When for sufficient reasons we cannot pay the note in coin, we are bound to give to the holder our note with interest. Such from the beginning was the policy of the Government. When the notes were first issued under the act of February 25, 1862, they were convertible at will into bonds. We, with a questionable device, by the act of March 3, 1863, took away that right, and should now restore it. During the war a greenback would purchase an equal amount of bonds of any character offered in the market. It paid at par for the live- twenties, the ten-forties, and the seven-thirties. It is now less valuable than these bonds only because it is dishonored paper, which though due is not paid, and is valuable only as a forced currency, which we compel our citizens to take in payment of their debts, but refuse to take for our own bonds except at a discount. We' give the bond the benefit of the improving credit of the country, but deny it to the note. The sim- plest and plainest rule of equity requires us, if we cannot pay the note, to give in exchange for it a bond bearing interest. And here, sir, a difficulty presents itself that forms the basis of all, or nearly all, the division in the Committee as to this measure. What shall be done with the United States notes received into the Treasury in the process of funding ? One contends that they should be retired as they are re- ceived ; another, that they should not be retired, but should be reis- sued ; and still another wishes to limit the funding of greenbacks to a specific sum each month ; and amendments are pending for these pur- poses. No doubt similar differences as to details will occur in the Sen- ate. My own conviction is, that the notes and ten-forty bonds should be convertible and reconvertible within certain limits until both rise to the par of gold. Such a provision was reported at the last session, and is still approved by the Committee ; but the opposition to it by those who widely dififered from eacb other as to its effect, some insisting that it would produce contraction and others expansion, caused it to be de- feated. The proposition in this bill to substitute coin notes for legal- tender notes, as the latter are retired by voluntaiy conversion into bonds, is an attempt of the Committee on Finance, in deference to the vote of the Senate at the last session, to guard against a too rapid con- traction of the currency. I must, however, insist upon ray conviction that the true way to guard against both undue expansion and contrac- tion while specie payments are susjiended is to allow the public cred- itor, whether note-nolder or bond-holder, to exchange one for the other, without any limitation except that the aggregate of circulation should PUBLIC DEBT AND ODERENOY. 201 not exceed the United States notes now outstanding ; and tMs aggre- fate may be gradually reduced as specie payments are resumed. I? the enate agrees with this opinion, then some changes will have to be made in the fourth section. If, however, the Senate still opposes this mutuality of conversion, the substitution of coin notes should precede the cancellation of the greenbacks, or a reserve of legal tenders should be maintained by the Secretary of the Treasury, to be issued at his discretion. Such, sir, are the general provisions of this bill. It seeks to substi- tute gradually, by the voluntary action of the people, coin contracts, coin notes, and convertible bank bills for currency contracts and irre- deemable and inconvertible paper money. It seeks to secure to the public creditor the prompt payment of his interest in coin, and to the Sieople the like payment in coin of the depreciated notes held by them, f the process is slow it is safe, and the danger of a more rapid process is great. Let no man deal with this question with the hasty impulse of fii-st impressions. Let no man be confident of his own opinions until he has examined those of others. He will find that many have traveled this path before him ; but no man yet has found an easy road to the resumption of specie payments. It now remains for me very briefly to state why other propositions submitted to the Committee have not been approved. Your patience will not allow me to examine any of the multitude of suggestions that have been made in the public prints, though many of them are worthy of careful study. I wiU only allude to some propositions that have been referred to the Committee. The suggestion of the President to pay the interest for sixteen years if the creditor will surrender the prin- cipal has already been disposed of. The plan of the Secretary of the Treasury to contract the currency until we reach the specie basis has already been incidentally referred to. The proposition of the Senator from ikassachusetts [Mr. Sumner], though not formally referred to the Committee, yet, having the sanction of his great name, was carefully considered, and so much of it as was approved was embodied in the bill reported ; but its principal feature, the repeal of the legal-tender act after the 1st of July next, would be far too sudden in its effects, and, if I am correct in the views already expressed, disastrous to the great body of the active business men of the country. The plan of the Senator from Indiana [Mr. Morton], supported by an able speech, was carefully considered by the Committee. It rests upon two leading ideas : 1. The accumulation of gold in the Treasur;^ ; and 2. The fixing a specific day for the resumption of specie payments. ]S"ow, in most of his speech I heartily concur. All that he says of the necessity of resuming specie payments, of the effect of contraction, and the unjust discrimination that now exists between the note-holder and the bond-holder, meets my hearty approval. It is the remedy he suggests we have to deal with. Would not the effect of his measure be that the Government would hoard the gold and the people the greenbacks, and thus make the contraction he fears ? What more prof- itable investment could any man make than to take this dollar, now 202 SPEECHES AND KEP0RT8 OP JOHN SHEEMAN. having a purcliasing power of seventy-four cents in gold, and lock it in his safe with a certainty that in two years it must be worth one dollar in gold, an annual advance of seventeen and a half per cent. ? "Would not every bank sharply contract its currency and hoard greenbacks as the best investment it could make ? "What prudent man will dare build a house or factory, a railroad or bam, with the certain fact before him that the greenbacks he puts into his improvement wiU be worth thirty-five per cent, more in two years than the improvement ? "Would he not hold his money for two years until his building would cost him one third less ? When the day of resumption comes every man, as the sailors say, will be close-reefed ; all enterprise wiU be suspended ; every bank will have contracted its currency to the lowest limit; and the debtor, compelled to meet in coin a debt contracted in currency, wiU find the coin hoarded in the Treasury, no representative of coin in cir- culation, and his property shrunk not only to the extent of the appre- ciation of the currency, but still more by the artificial scarcity made by the hoarders of gold. All the historical precedents show that fixing the day for resump- tion inevitably leads to a contraction of the currency by the banks, so that when the day comes the scarcity of currency shall prevent a de- mand for coin. This process of contraction both in England and the United States produced the sorest distress ; and this distress was only relieved in England by the Parliament requiring the loan of exchequer bills and the issues of new notes by the Bank of England. At the be- ginning of our Government the Continental bonds were a species of cur- rency. ; and as a part of the funding system of Alexander Hamilton, he provided for a new paper currency convertible into coin, to be issued by the Bank of the United States, without which he declared his funding system would be a failure. So, sir, after the war of 1812 the sore dis- tress caused by the failure of the State banks was only relieved by a new paper currency issued by the second Bank of the United States, which Mr. Madison, yielding his constitutional objections, approved. "We therefore think that the general objects sought for by the Senator from Indiana [Mr. Morton] can be better attained by legalizing specie contracts, by utilizing the coin in the Treasury, by the gradual substi- tution of coin. United States notes, and bank bills for the present cur- rency, rather than by the accumulation of gold and the fixing of a day for resumption. And now, sir, a multitude of collateral topics present themselves — questions affecting the construction of contracts and the public debt, questions of funding, of the reduction of the rate of interest, of taxa- tion and protection, of banking and the distribution of bank circulation. All these have been considered, and no doubt will be presented to the Senate ; but we have not embraced them in this bill, for the manifest reason -that by attempting too much we should be likely to defeat any measure tending to the resumption of specie payments. This primary duty accomplished will solve many of these questions and prepare tlio way for other measures. I submit to Senators who favor this bill whether it is not wiser' to leave to time, to the progress of events, and to the next Congress, to deal with other matters not vital THE PUBLIC CREDIT. 203 f to this measure. It i8 only in tMs way that, with the confused and scattered opinions in the public mind, we can hope to accomplish any- thing. A.11 these questions will be resolved wisely if we are content to follow the example set by Mr. Lincoln and by Congress during the war, to make haste slowly. Sir, you and I and many of our associates have been here during all the great events of our civil war. We have seen Senators from meir places openly proclaim in safety their intended infamy and perjury. We have seen our only army broken and demolished, filling the streets of this city, and the rebel flag floating within sight of the dome of the Cap- itol. We have seen a vast section of our country fiUed with armed men, bold, defiant, and confident, engaged in fierce war for the overthrow of our Government. We were deserted by nearly all the Governments of Chi'istian Europe. We have seen four hundred thousand of our coun- trymen slain in battle or falling by disease. We have met defection and doubt at home, and suffered disaster again and again. But all this has passed away. The long-vacant seats are nearly all filled, and new States then in wilderness are now represented here. Our fiag floats in undisputed authority over every part of our territory. AU the ques- tions of debate that have risen from time to tiine in this Senate cham- ber have been so decided that authority has been vindicated and liberty been made universal. We are soon to see the great hero of the war clothed with the executive authority of the nation, and bearing with him into his high office the hearty good will of nearly all the people of the United States. But one thing more is to be accomplished, and that is to place our public credit on a firm, enduring foundation, so that the world may say that this republic is not wanting either in valor or honor. We may then give way to those who are rapidly treading in our footsteps with a consciousness of having performed our full duty to our country. THE PUBLIC CKEDIT. IN TEE SENATE, FEBBUABY S7, 1869. The biU to strengthen the public credit being before the Senate, Mr. Sherman said: I THOtTGHT nothing in the world could tempt me at this late hour of the night to say a word upon this bill ; but the remarks made by the honorable Senator from Indiana are so extraordinary that I deem it my duty to reply, and if it were night or morning I would do it alike. The Senator seems to attack with great violence the Committee on Finance ever since it had the misfortune to disagi'ee with him in regard to his plan to promote the public credit and resume specie payments. iN'ot being able to report in favor of his plan, we reported against it, and ever since that time everything that we do seems to meet his dis- favor. He says the bill reported by us is dead. I dispute it. , The bill is not only not dead, but it liveth and will be the law of the land ; 204: SPEECHES AND REPORTS OF JOHN SHERMAN. and you here in this bill will make one of its most important and fun- damental provisions, the first section of that bill, the law of the land, and I have no doubt that every section of it will be hereafter made so. Now, in justice to the Committee on Finance, let me state what those sections are, because one of the organs of this body can not hear its measures thus arraigned and sit here quietly at any time, in the night or in the morning, without a reply. What are the measures of that bill ? The first is that gold contracts shall be legalized. Here it is in this bill. The second is that $140,000,000 shall be set aside to redeem the public debt, and that will be done unquestionably. Now, more than that is already set aside, but it is not applied because the law is not put in force. The third is to tie the fate of the greenbacks to the fate of the bonds. That is done here by the amendment proposed by the Committee on Finance, so as to put the bond and the note on pre- cisely the same footing, both to be paid in gold, both to be treated alike ; and I have no doubt whatever that at the next session of Con- gress the demand of the public as well as the sense of justice of Con- fress will compel us to authorize the holder of the greenback to receive is bond, dollar for dollar, for his paper money ; there is no doubt of it. What else ? The other section of the bill, the only material one, is a section which provides for free banking. The Senator himself professed to be in favor of it. He himself desired and voted to with- draw from all the Eastern States more than one half of their circular tion with a view to place it in the South, and then to compensate the East by free banking. Those were the provisions of the bill from the Committee on Finance, and there was not one of them that I think the honorable Senator himself would not approve. But now this bill came to us from the House of Representatives, and I will state very briefiy what it is, for I know it is wrong for me to delay the action or vote of the Senate upon it. What is the first section of this bill ? It is simply a solemn pledge of the United States that all the obligations of the United States, notes and bonds, shall be paid in gold and silver coin, except only those where the law expressly provides that they shall be paid in lawful money. But my honorable friend says, why the exception ? The question shows that he has not examined this matter with his usual care, or he would not have asked it. Why, sir, there are some fifty or sixty million dollare of three per cent, certificates expressly payable in currency. But for this exception they would to-morrow be payable in coin on demand at the Treasury of the United States. There are also bonds issued to the railroads, ex- pressly payable in currency. But for this exception they would be paid principal and interest in gold. The interest on those bonds is semi-annually paid in lawful money. It is necessary to except obliga- tions expressly payable in currency. But we say that with regard to all other obligations, pa])er money and bonds, they shall be paid m gold and silver com. Now, sir, the first part of this section I should like to see the Senate strike out, because it nmkes the declaration cleaver, stronger, and more emphatic than I wish. Wliy 'i I do not believe, and I never could reason myself into the belief, that the laws which authorized the issue THE PUBLIC OEEDIT. 205 of these bonds made a discrimination against the lawful tender money of the United States. I do believe that by a fair and reasonable con- struction of those laws the bonds of the United States might be paid in lawful money issued within the limits and according to the terms of those laws. But do we propose to pay those bonds in lawful money ? Certainly not. ,We have not the money to pay them. "We dare not increase the taxes for this purpose, 'and so we must postpone the pay- ment of the bonds. I repeat that under the condition of our finances it is impossible to pay any considerable sum of the principal of this public debt either in lawful money or in gold. Our people do not and will not ask us to levy more taxes upon them in order to avail them- selves of the legal privilege or right which they have to pay in lawful money. . They desire to pay of the principal of this public debt not more than one per cent, per annum, a small amount, and to adopt a policy which will in the end pay the whole of it. But what shall we do in 1^ mean time ? Shall we suspend specie payment until we can pay tuB whole of this debt by taxes ? Is the payment in specie to be post- poned indefinitely ? My friend from Indiana says only for two years, and then he would bring it about by hoarding gold and by hoarding greenbacks. Do our Democratic friends propose to postpone the resumption of specie payments until this debt matures, until we can gather in a suffi- cient amount of taxes to pay off the principal of the debt in lawful money ? IS^o, sir. The honor of the country, the good faith of the nation, the interest of the laborer, of the rich and the poor, and of all classes, demand that we should resume specie payments as early as pos- sible, and place all the obligations of the people of the United States upon the solid basis of gold and silver coin. "We can not delay that primary duty ; and therefore I look upon this first section as simply a declaration that we will now perform our primary duty of making our notes equal to coin, and I have no doubt that if that policy is pursued and adopted the bondholder will be glad to get the lawful money of the United States in payment of his bond. All that this first section does is to declare as a matter of public policy that the notes and the bonds shall alike be paid in gold ; the bonds as they gradually mature, and the notes long before any of the bonds ijiature. Why, sir, none of these bonds mature until 1881, and we can not get the lawful money to redeem them even at the end of five years, when we have the right to redeem them, except by taxes. We can not draw; in the lawful money of the United States except by taxation. We can not adopt the repudiating scheme of our Democratic fellow citizens of the United States of issuing broadcast in violation of law a large amount of legal tenders, and thus repudiating our debt. I never could see how honest men could propose that. Then, the only way we can get lawful money to pay this debt is by taxation, and our people will endure no more than now exists. They have no desire to assume the burden of paying the public debt at once. They are willing to see a portion of the pay- ment postponed, but in the mean time we can not prolong this. suspen- sion of specie payments until we can avail ourselves of that privilege. 206 SPEECHES AND REPORTS OF JOHN SHERMAN. I Bay, then, that the primary duty of the United States is to resume specie payments as quickly as possible, and make the lawful money of the United States equivalent to gold. I look to see the bonds of the United States advancing step by step with the money of the United States until their par value in coin is reached. Sir, it gave me a thrill of pleasure when I saw that the bonds of the United States were worth eighty-nine cents in gold in the markets of London. I do not care who made money by the advance ; God knows I did not. I had no interest in it directly or indirectly. I was glad to see our bonds ap- preciate in the market, and the holders get the benefit of that apprecia- tion ; and I trust that in three or four or six months, or a year, these bonds will reach par value in gold. But it is said, now can you fund the public debt? We will do it just as England and just as every other country did that reduced the rate of interest. Whenever the bonds of the United States rise above par in gold, then we can place in the money market of the world a bond bearing a lower rate of interest. If our bonds this day ]|[|d reached the par of gold we could put in the market without question or difficulty a bond bearing a lower rate of interest. Sir, I believe that if we would now wisely and persistently, firmly and boldly, march to the resumption of specie payments in such a way as not to distress our people, not by increasing taxes, but by steadily appreciating our public credit until the five per cent, bonds rise to par in gold, the whole of the six per cent, bonds could be paid oflE. There is now only about fifteen per cent, difference between the market value of the ten- forty bonds and gold. If we can wipe out that fifteen per cent, by an appreciation of the public credit, then funding wiU go on with, rapid speed ; the whole of the five-twenty bonds will be paid off. why, sir, when the bonds of England rose to one hundred and thi-ee per cent., then the rate of interest was reduced one per cent, by put- ting a bond at a lower rate of interest in the money market. That is the only way that you can carry out a process of funding. If we were able to levy upon our people a larger amount of taxes and apply fifty or one himdred million dollars to the payment of the principal of the debt, we could carry on the process of reducing the interest just so much the more rapidly, but we dare not extend our system of taxation for fear of losing the confidence of the people. The only other resort is to advance our public credit, to elevate our bonds trom the slough of despond in which they were cast by the burden of the war, to elevate our public credit to where it was before the war, and then the burden of this interest will pass away, and we may hope to see our bonds beai"- ing in the money market of the world, in the hands of the rich and the poor, the foreign and the native, all the credit that now clusters round the three per cent, consolidated debt of England. Then it may be that we will not satisfy ourselves by reducing the rate of interest to five but to four and a half or four yvv cent. ; and probably within twenty or thirty years we may stand as Great Britain does, M-itli our credit such that we can got par for our bonds at three and a half per cent, interest in gold. But, sir, in the mean time wo nmst not be diverted from the diffi- NATIONAL BANKS. 207 CTilties that stand in our way. In my judgment tlie plan reported at this session by the Committee on Finance is the best, the most rapid, and the most effectual way to bring about this state of affairs. I am not discouraged by the reluctance of the Senate to assume it. I know that such propositions are always of slow growth. But I assure my honorable friend from Indiana that if he supposes that any section or line or word of that currency bill is dead, or even that it sleeps, he is very much mistaken. He will find it either in whole or in part meet- ing him at every stage of this progress until every word of it is in- grafted in the laws of the United States. I know that my friend, for whom I have the utmOst kindness and the greatest good feeling, did not intend any unkindness in the remarks he made ; but when he attacks a committee of this body, and speaks of me as the chairman of that committee, and accuses us of being guilty of vacillation and mutations and changes in our reports .and buls, as a matter of course he naturally excites a feeling which will not submit in quiet to such an imputation. Sir, I myseK came with slow reluctance to the declaration made in the first section of this bill. I declare now to you that my construc- tion of the law under which these five-twenties and under which the greenbacks were issued stiU remains unchanged ; but I do assert, as a question of public policy, that it is wise now for us to declare in the language of this bill that the bonds and greenbacks alike shall be paid in gold as rapidly as we can do so ; that these greenbacks and these bonds may be linked together in every law that is passed ; that every privilege that is given to the bond-holder shall be given to the holder of the greenback ; that both together shall rise gradually to par in gold, when the bond-holder may be paid off by bonds bearing a lower rate of interest with a large saving to the people of the United States. I think this question has been fully considered, and I hope, therefore, that without any more debate on the subject to-night we may have a vote upon it. The bill, after being amended, became the act of March 18, 1869. NATIONAL BANKS. m THE SENATE, MARCH 29, 1869. Thk Senate having under consideration the bill supplementary to an act entitled " An act to provide a national currency secured by a pledge of United States bonds, and to provide for the circulation and redemption thereof," approved June 3, 1864, Mr. Sherman said : ' If I can get the attention of the Senate, at the request of several Senators who have become members of the body since the subject was under debate at the last session I will state very bi-iefly the purport of this bill. Although the Senators who Kstened to the debate at the last session will not need the information, still, as the bill contains several 208 SPEEOEIES AND EEPOETS OF JOHN SHERMAN. important changes in the existing law, it is right that all should under- stand it. The first section of the bill is a modification of the currency act so far as it relates to deposit banks. It requires in all cases deposit banks to give security in United States bonds equal to the amount of the de- posits. Under the present law the security is fixed by the Secretary of the Treasury. This section fixes it by law ; so that in no case shall the Government deposits in a national bank exceed the amount of security furnished. The second section is intended to cure an evil that has sprung up mainly in the State of New York, where banks organized under the national banking system have given notice of their intention to wind up their affairs, and have thus relieved themselves from the restrictions and limitations of the national banking act, but have in fact not wound up their business, and have got the benefit of the circulation without any of the burdens imposed by the currency act. It is for the purpose of compelling banks that have given notice of their intention to wind up to do what they give their notice to do — -to require them to redeem their notes, or in case of a failure to redeem their notes to authorize their bonds to be sold with a view of canceling an equal amount of United States notes. That is very plain. The third section of the bill is to limit and greatly reduce the fees allowed by the courts to receivers of banks. In sevefal cases that I cited at the last session the fees allowed to receivers and officers of banljs by the district courts and circuit courts of the United States were very large indeed, much larger than they ought to have been, thus absorbing a portion of the money that belonged to the creditors of the bank. The third section limits the amount of fees to what we conceive to be a reasonable rate. These three sections I believe have always passed without objection. The fourth section presents a very difficult problem. Under the existing distribution of bank circulation the Eastern States, where capi- tal mainly accumulates, have a very large excess over their proportion of banking circulation. This was caused by the fact that State banlvs had been organized in those States, and by an amendment offered by the gentleman who now occupies the chair, in the summer of 1804, the existing State banks were allowed a preference in going into the na- tional banking system. "The result is that the distribution provided for by the national currency act was substantially defeated ; and the State banks bein^ very numerous in the older States they went into the na- tional bankmg system, and thus absorbed the banking circulation, leav- ing none for the "Western and Southern States when the rebellion was subdued. The result is, as will appear from the table which I have before me, and which Senators can find in the report of the Comptroller of the Currency at the last session of Congress, that the distribiition of banking circulation is very largely dispi-ojiortionate. In Massachusetts I believe it is some fifty-four dollars an inhabitant ; in Rhode Island about sixty dollars an inhabitant ; in Connecticut some forty or fifty dollars an inhabitant ; while in some of the States it is less than one dollar, and in the State of Illinois, a very prosperous and thriving com- NATIONAL BANKS. 209 munity, it is only three or four dollars. Consequently great complaint exists on account of the disproportion of circulation. As business re- vives in the South there is a necessity for establishing new banks, but the amount of $300,000,000 having already been exhausted no national banks can be started in those States. Yarious plans have been proposed and discussed from time to time to relieve this difficulty ; and finally, the fourth section of the bill, as reported from the Committee on Finance at the last session, we thought was the most equitable to provide a general rule by which one half of the circulation should be distributed according to population, and the other half according to wealth and property, and to require that redis- tribution to be made gradually. This section confines the redistribution within one year to $20,000,000 upon certain rules that are fixed by the section. The next section authorizes the existing banks in any of the older States where they have an excess of banking circulation to remove themselves bodily with their capital and circulation to the Southern or Western States that have less than their proportion. There are many banks within my knowledge in New England and in New York, and perhaps some in Ohio, that will avail themselves of the privilege of this section to remove from their present location to the South and West, thus supplying to some extent the want that is complained of ; while the $20,000,000 withdrawn from circulation according to the mode provided by this bill wiU be withdrawn from those States having the largest excess of circulation in accordance to the rule prescribed here, and that also will be made up by banks to be established hereafter in the South and extreme West. The section provides that the circulation is to be given wpjpro rata. Suppose for instance that after making the statement provided for by the fourth section it becomes necessary to withdraw from the banks in the State of Massachusetts ten per cent, of their circulation, it is done ^0 rata ten per cent, upon the circulation issued by the difEerent banks. My own impression is that this arrangement will give to the South and West all the banking circulation and capital they can absorb within one or two years ; and I suppose that at the end of that time we shall probably establish a free banking system. I have no doubt that as soon aa we resume specie payments a free banking system will be estab- lished, which will avoid all this controversy about mstributing bankiag circulation. There is only one further point to which I wish to call the attention of the Senate ; and that is, to assure them that in my judgment and the judgment of the Committee on Finance it is not wise now to pass a more radical measure than this. At the last session a proposition to redistribute the entire banking circulation of the country was proposed here, and, without much debate, was almost carried. It seems to me a proposition of that kind would derange and tear up the business of this country to an extent that would be very injurious. We had better ac- complish this redistribution by slow and gradual means. After we have resumed specie payments there will be no contest about it. If 14 210 SPEECHES AND REPORTS OF JOHN SHERMAN. the proposition should now be made to increase the amount of $20,- 000,000 to $30,000,000, or any higher sum, I should feel bound to oppose it. My constituents, I may say, are entirely impartial in this matter. We neither lose nor gain by this bill. We have about our proportion, a little less than our proportion, and I do not wish for any more ; and under this bill we shall lose nothing and gain nothing. I would not be willing to vote for a general redistribution of the banldng circulation, which would disturb aU the business of the New England and Middle States, merely to secure a nominal equality in the distribution of circu- lation. It is better, in my judgment, to take this measure, which wUl supply the South and West in a partial degree with banking circula- tion, depending on future legislation and upon the resumption of specie payments for a settlement of the question upon a more general basis. Mr. Morrill having moved to amend tlie fourth section, so that it should read " banks having a capital exceeding |100,000," Mr. Sherman said : This amendment has been thought of and discussed before. It was offered in committee at the last session, but I am not sure whether it was offered in the Senate or not. It confines the withdrawal of the circulation to banks exceeding $100,000 of capital. I can see no rea- son why a strong bank with $200,000 capital should be discriminated against in favor of a small bank with $50,000 capital. One object of the currency act was to discourage very small banks. Unless the Sen- ate can see some good reason why the reduction should apply to a large bank and not to a small one the amendment ought not to prevail. It seems to me that if we are going to make this reduction it ought to be done by one uniform rule applicable to banks of all kinds, condi- tions, and degrees. The Committee on Finance considered various plans of making a discrimination between banks of large capital, and therefore la^e circulation, and banks of a small capital and small cii- culation. We found we could apply no such rule which would be just or equitable. If by this withdrawal you take from a bank having $50,000 circulation only three or four thousand dollars it would be easier for that bank to withdraw that amount than for a bank with $500,000 to withdraw $50,000. There is no reason why the same rule should not apply to one as to the other. I prefer to see whatever rule is adopted applied equally to all banks without regard to their capital or their circulation. The second amendment suggested by the Senator from Vermont proposes to introduce as an element into this computation the former State banli circulation in cities. The effect of that undoubtedly woidd be to- withdraw more from the city of New York than would be done otherwise, because New York under the present system has largely increased its circulation. But sucli a rule as this is not of universal application, because in Illinois they had no State bank circulation when the national currency act went into effect. It so happened that in 1857 all their banks broke up and they had no State banks, and other States had none. Therefore the rule proposed would be a rule applicable only to the condition of things in New York City and other lai'ge cit- NATIONAL BANKS. 211 ies. I do not see any object in changing or varying the rule, or refer- ring to the state of the banking circulation before the national bank act took effect. It is better, in my iudgment, to adopt a rule and apply it to all cases, all banks, and all sections alike. The Senator, no doubt, can give some reason why a bank with a small circulation, doing a small business in a country neighborhood, ought not to be affected by the rule, but after all, when you come to apply it, I can not see any weight in it. I am asked by what right we take from the State of Massachusetts $13,000,000 of its circulation. It is a fair question and I will give it a fair answer ; but in order to do so it is necessary for me to refer to one or two well-established facts known to the public records of the coun- try. I hold in my hand the last report of the Comptroller of the Cur- rency, from which it appears that the amount of circulation of national banks in the State of Rhode Island, having between two and three hundred thousand inhabitants, is $12,491,480, and. the circulation in Massachusetts is almost the same in proportion to its population. There are in thirteen States of the Union about ten million people, and in those thirteen States the amount of circulation is $5,851,000. The cir- culation of all the "Western and Southern States combined, including Ohio, is less than the combined circulation of Massachusetts and Khode Island. Why is this ? Is it because the South and West have no need of banking capital, no occasion for banking facilities, no business, no enterprise, no industry, nothing to demand banking circulation ? Not at aU. It is simply because an iron rule of law, passed during the civil war, prevents the South and West from having that which these States enjoy. Now, the question is : Will you relax that rule ; wiU you allow this standing evil, this standing complaint made in every household in the West and South, to remain without any attempt to correct it, or will you try to apply a remedy ? How shall it be corrected ? You may enlarge the limit of circulation. Would the Senator from Massachu- setts vote for a proposition to enlarge the present limit of $300,000,000 before the resumption of specie payments ? Two or three years ago the Committee on Finance reported a proposition to add to the amount of circulation $20,000,000. Simply to avoid the difficulty of withdraw- ing any portion of the then existing circulation it was thought better to remove this inequality, to some extent at least, by adding to the amount of circulation. After a long debate it passed the Senate, but was defeated in the House of Eepresentatives, and so that measure failed. What then ? It is proposed to withdraw the greenbacks on which the people of the United States are paying no interest, and issue bank circulation in their stead before specie payments are resumed. We know that such a proposition, although very plausible on its face, can not be adopted. How can we withdraw $50,000,000 of notes that are now outstanding? Have you a surplus revenue with which to pay them ? Not at aU. There is no pretense of that kind. Will you con- tract your currency now at a time when we have contracted it two or three hundred million dollars ? or wiU you issue bonds and thus in- crease the permanent funded debt of the country in order to settle 212 SPEECHES AND EEP0ET8 OF JOHN SHERMAN. this question of the distribution of circulation ? What kind of bonds ■will you issue ? "What rate of interest will you pay ? Will you tax the bonds ? The proposition of the Senator from Massachusetts brings into this debate all these difficult questions — questions that I pressed last winter upon the Senate time and time again, and utterly failed to secure attention because there was a disposition everywhere to delay the mat- ter. The Senate did not want to consider and decide these questions ; and yet it is now proposed to bring them all up and attach them as an amendment to this bill. Here is a proposition to withdraw greenbacks and issue more bonds without giving any authority to issue the bonds, without declaring the kind of bonds, without fixing any of the details that are necessary. Such a proposition is only one of those riders very commonly attempted to be put on a bill as a means of defeating it. When you propose to reduce the volume of greenbacks and add to the burdens of interest of this country at this time, you do introduce a question that affects all of us alike, and I say that whenever we fund the greenbacks it must not be for the purpose of giving bank circular tion ; it must be for reducing our cuiTency so as to get back to specie payments. The question of the reduction of the greenbacks is a ques- tion of public policy. This is simply a question of equality among the States, of a fair distribution of the banking circulation. Is it right and fair to withdraw from Massachusetts, Connecticut, and Ehode Island a portion of their circulation ? I say it is right. They are now, on account of the peculiar circumstance that surrounded them during the war, enjoying a legal privilege under an act of Con- f;ress that is denied to the Southern and the Western States. They lave a circulation out of proportion to their population, out of propor- tion to their business and their resources — a circulation that is a source of profit not only to individuals but to States. Now, my friend from Ehode Island and my friend from Massachu- setts say that an increase of circulation is no advantage to the South ; that if these banks were to move there they would do the South no food. If they would do them no great good they would contribute y taxation to help pay the expenses of the Southern States, and we know very weU that local banks furnish great facilities for business to the districts where they are located. It would be impossible to locate any one of the New England banks in a Southern city without con- tributing largely to that city by the amount of business and the facili- ties therefor which it would afford, and also to the State in taxes as well as business facilities. But if it is of so little advantage to the South to have these banks, what is the objection to allowing them to go there ? There can be none whatever. It seems to me that it is right — to respond to the qiiestion put to me — it is fair, it is .just to withdraw circulation from tlie States that have an excess ; and I assure my friend from Massachusetts that if Ohio was in the same prodicanumt, or if by any fair and just rale of withdrawing bank circulation a ^lortion of it might be withdrawn from the State of Ohio, I would vote lor tlie witlidrawal with great pleasure, because it is not for the interest of any State in this republic to enjoy an NATIONAL BANKS. 213 advantage in legal privileges over any other State. If its industry is superior, if its climate is better, if its soil is richer, those are the gifts of God ; but no State has a right to enjoy a privilege by law which is not conferred upon another, and no State and no individual in a State has a right to enjoy any privilege conferred by law that is not fairly and equally shared by every other citizen and every other State. It is because the New England States in this distribution of banking cur- rency have an advantage, that it is right, it is just, and it is proper to make a partial redistribution. I do not wish to disturb the business re- lations of those States. I think it would be wrong to do it, and I have frequently publicly and privately begged Senators not to make this withdrawal more than is absolutely necessary to secure some reasonable banking facilities in the South. I should dislike very much indeed to see the amount of withdrawal so large as to impair or derange the business of l^ew England, because I know that our country is so inter- linked and bound together that everything that affects the interests of that section wiU affect the interests of the South. I would only pro- pose this as a temporary measure to meet a temporary exigency until we can have the resumption of specie payments and can provide a free banking system. But pending the present anomalous state of affairs we are bound at least to render reasonable facilities to the South by some kind of bank circulation. If it is proposed to go back to specie payments, they can not be reached in a day or a month or a year. I am as willing to adopt measures to that end as any Senator ; and resumption of specie pay- ments will settle aU these questions ; but meanwhile it is only fair and right that this accidental advantage in the distribution of the banking capital should be removed to a reasonable extent. I ought to say that this act does not affect my constituents in the least. Although the State of Ohio has somewhat less than its fair pro- portion of banking circulation, I do not know of any application, cer- tainly none that I would heed, from that State for more circulation. This bill wiU not either take from or add to its circulation. I there- fore feel that in pressing this act of partial justice, even though it may be an inconvenience to our friends in the Isew England States, we are doing what is right and proper, and that we should not in doing it open up the question of the increase of the banking circulation in any way whatever. With my present convictions, I never will vote for the increase of the circulation of the national banks until we get back to specie payments, and then, in my jiidgment, the amount now outstand- ing is amply sufficient for all the purposes of this country. Before the war the whole bank circulation was only $168,000,000 ; now it is $300,- 000,000 ; and certainly I would vote for no proposition to increase in any form the paper money, either greenbacks or national-bank notes, until we get back to the standard of gold and silver coin. A proposition to increase the national-bank notes and decrease the greenbacks, attached to this bill, will not meet the sanction of Con- gress, and will defeat the entire bill. The only effect of that proposi- tion, should it become a law, would be to add to our national burdens the.interest on $50,000,000 of new bonds, merely to secure a more just E 214 SPEECHES AND REPORTS OF JOHN SHERMAN. distribution of banking circulation; while if the bill as it stands is passed, the effect will be to give to the South and a few of the new States of the "West in the next year an opportunity to get a little bank- ing circulation, and to give to banks in the old States an opportunity to move themselves bodily to the South, and this will relieve a political and sectional complaint that is founded in substantial justice. One or two observations have been made to which I wish briefly to reply. One is that this is a ease of extreme hardship and violation of faith. In my judgment, according to the law the apportionment to these States of the large amount they have is in violation of law, and is a ease of great hardship. "What is the case ? Allot to Massachusetts, Connecticut, and Khode Island twice their proper proportion of this banking circulation, give that to them on account of their manufactur- ing business, and they stiU have $59,5T3,837 more than their share under, existing laws. We propose to take $20,000,000 of that, and dis- tribute it among those States that have not any. That is the whole proposition. But it is said that they have the pledge of the public faith, that they acted in accordance with law, upon our invitation, and got this >roportion of circulation, and now it is not fair for us to withdraw it. f that argument were true in point of fact it would have some weight in equity, not in law, because the law expressly provides that the act itself may be repealed, changed, or modifaed at the pleasure of Con- gress. Ii in pursuance of our policy persons had entered into this banking business and got more than their proportion of circulation, it would not be exactly fair to withdraw it. But, sir, this is in violation of law, and it is only necessary for me to recite certain well-known facts to show it. By the original banking act, passed February 25, 1863, an appor- tionment of circulation was provided by which one half was to be di- vided according to population and the other half according to resources. Massachusetts, Connecticut, and Rhode Island — ^f or those are the only three States affected — -got their full proportion under that law, every doUar of it ; and the State of New "Y ork also got its proportion. It was found that the limit of $300,000,000 prevented some of the State banks from coming into the system, and in June, 4864, an act was passed to allow State banks, without regard to the limitation, to come into the system. Under the operation of that law, from June, 1864, to March, 1866, certain banks in the States of Massachusetts, Connecti- cut, Rhode Island, and New York came in, thus exceeding the propor- tion allotted to them by the law ; but they had not very far exceeded the proportion up to March, 1865. They had in no case gone over thirty dollars an inhabitant, because the banks were slow. lam asked how did it happen that the law was violated and there was so much of an excess. I will explain in a moment. On the 3d of March, 1865, Congress passed a law which, after making certain other provisions, reads as follows : And that $150,000,000 of tho entire amount of oironlating notes anthorized to be issued shall be apportioned to associations in tlie States, in the" District of Columbia, and in thu TerritorioH, according to representative popuhition, and the remainder NATIONAL BANKS. 215 shall be apportioned by the Secretary of the Treasury among associations formed in the several States, in the District of Columbia, and in the Territories, having due regard to the existing banking capital, resources, and business of such States, Dis- trict, and Territories. This section restored the old provision of apportionment and re- pealed the act of June, 1864, which authorized existing banks to go beyond the limit of $300,000,000. It has never been dianged, modi- fied, or altered, except as I shall hereafter show. Unfortunately, alter this section had passed, as I supposed, into a law, although it was not finally approved until the 3d of March, 1865, an amendment was attached to an internal revenue bill which became law on the same day (March 3, 1865), in words as follows : That any existing bank organized under the laws of any State, having a paid-up capital of not less than $75,000, which shall apply»before the 1st day of July next for authority to become a national bank, under the act entitled "An act to provide a national currency secured by a pledge of United States bonds, and to provide for the circulation and redemption thereof," approved June 3, 1864, and shall comply with all the requirements of said act, shall, if such bank be found by the OomptroUer of the Currency to be in good standing and credit, receive such authority in prefer- ence to new associations applying for the same. Now, one construction of this amendment would seem to be that if, in the State of Rhode Island, any portion of their share under existing law remained to be distributed, it should be given to an old bank rather than to a new bank. The amendment did not change the rule of ap- portionment. It said nothing about it except who was to get the allot- ment, and that the old banks should have the preference therein ; and in the State of New York the thing actually existed ; the old banks and the new banks were coming in, and this provision was intended to give the old banks the preference. But the Comptroller of the Cur- rency, as I think in violation of law, construed the amendment as a repeal of the section first mentibned, and disregarding that section en- tirely allowed the old banks to come in. Let me say that up to the close of the war there was no very great inequality of circulation. Up to that time the banks of Massachusetts had not come into this system to the extent that they afterward did ; but availing themselves of this privilege after the war was over, when everybody saw that it was a great advantage to have national banking circulation, when the difficulties had passed away, adopting the con- struction of the Comptroller of the Currency, they rushed in and got this enormous aggregate of circulation. So that, upon what I conceive to be an erroneous construction of the law, they now claim to hold an unfair advantage of the rest of the people of the United States. In the apphcation of a general rule like this for withdrawing circu- lation, I have no doubt there will be some inconvenience, perhaps some injustice. I certainly do not desire to injure any banks or any citizen of those States. But now, when we are compelled to do what is right, is it not just that we should give some circulation to the States that have none, even if we have to withdraw that which is held, I think without law, in other States ? Mr. President, the question after all comes down to this — ^for I do 216 SPEECHES AND EEP0RT8 OF JOHN SHERMAN. not think we ought to bring into this debate the subject of funding the debt — shall there be a redistribution of banking circulation ? We were very careful in touching this question not to do anything that was harsh or injurious. It would be only even-handed justice to withdraw from these States in excess under a general rule tne whole 160,000,000. I have not proposed and do not intend to propose such a thing, because a general interference with the business of the people of those States to the extent of enforcing a fair and equal rule would work injury to them and work injury to the whole country; but, in my judgment, the transfer of a reasonable amount of this circulation, while it may give local advantages to the Southern States, would not materially injure the business of these older States. At any rate, it is just and fair, and, as I said yesterday, if my own State were in excess I should still feel disposed fo vote for the withdrawal. . All that there is in this bill, and all that is proposed by this biU, is to secure a partial redistribution of the banking circulation until we can adopt some permanent financial measure looking to free banking and . specie payments. It is temporary in its character ; and I must confess that the great objection I have to this measure is that it is tem- porary in its character. I would not press this bill now to secure this partial justice to the Southern States but for the fact that the bill re- ported from the Committee on Finance, or some bill of that kind look- ing toward specie payments and free banking, would not be adopted during the present session of Congress. The redistribution of f20,- 000,000 of circulation will give temporary relief, will probably be all that can be absorbed in those States for the next year or so, and, in my judgment, wiU not do any considerable injury to the people of tlie States whose currency will be decreased. I hope, without any further prolonged debate — and I beg pardon for occupying so much time now in replying to the observations that have been made this morning — ^that we may have a vote on this bill and get it out of the road. THE CUKEENCY. IN THE SENATE, JANUARY U, 1870. The regular order being the bill to provide a national currency of coin notes and to equalize the distribution of circulating notes, Mr. Sherman said : Me. Peesident : I do not propose in opening tlie debate on this bill to make any elaborate financial speech. What I desire to say will be addressed solely to the Senate, and bear entirely upon the points pre- sented by_ this bill. The bill proposes to deal with two questions : first the equailization of the national currency, and second the establishment of banks to issue coin notes ; and these two propositions are the only Hubjects on which I shall sa;^ anything. I shall speak as briefly as pos- sible, and present the questions involved as clearly as I can, so as to THE OUEEENCy. 217 confine the debate, if possible, to these two questions. There are a OTeat multitude of financial questions now agitating the public mind that are somewhat connected with these two. The enlargement of the discussion by introducing them would, I think, rather obscure the ar- gument than make it plain. The first two sections of this bill provide for a partial equalization of the bank circulation of the United States. The present circulation is distributed with such gross inequality as to be revolting to the sense of justice. Three States whose people are among the most enterprising and active of our countrymen, containing a population of 1,865,833, or one fifteenth of the population of the United States, have an aggregate circulation amounting to $96,890,4:98. These States are Massachusetts, Khode Island, and Connecticut. With a population of less than two millions, they have one third of the whole national circulation, so that one fifteenth of the population absorbs and monopolizes one third of the national circulation. The Southern States, with a population of about eleven millions, have scarcely any circulation, perhaps a few millions. I have here the tables in detail, but I can not give the aggre- gate. It is probably not one fourth as much as the State of MassaSiu- setts alone. The Western States, all of them rapidly growing com- munities, with cities and towns and business springing up with amaz- ing rapidity, some of them formed into States within a few years, have practically no circulation. The Pacific coast is practically excluded from our banking system, simply because there coin alone is used in circulation and our currency is sold at a discount. Thus the present system, which ought to be a national one equally and fairly diffused through the United States, is confined in its bene- ficial effects to the Eastern and mainly to the New England States. This gross and palpable injustice has grown out of a violation of law by the Comptroller of the Currency and the Secretary of the Treasury. This fact I stated at the last session, and I wish now to call the atten- tion of the Senate distinctly to the law under which this grossly un- equal distribution was made. The first national bank act contained a provision for the (iistribution of the banking circulation. The act of February 25, 1863, contained this clause : That the entire amount of circulating notea to be issued under this act shall not exceed $300,000,000, $150,000,000 of which sum shall he apportioned to associations in the States, in the District of Columbia, and in the Territories, according to repre- sentative population ; and the remainder shall be. apportioned by the Secretary of the Treasury among associations formed in the several States, in the District of Co- lumbia, and in the Territories, having due regard to the existing banking capital, re- sources, and business of such States, District, and Territories. Under this act each State would have been entitled to a little more than five dollars for each inhabitant, according to the census of 1860, out of the first $150,000,000, and then the other $150,000,000 should have been distributed according to business, capital, and resources. The Eastern States, being much wealthier than the Southern and West- em, as a matter of course would have received much the larger portion of the last $150,000,000 ; but under the other provisions of this act each State would have at least five dollars for each inhabitant. The revised 218 SPEECHES AND REPORTS OF JOHlir SHERMAN. banking act of June 3, 1864, omitted this provision for a distribution, for the reason that the old State banks and new banks formed under the national banking system very slowly. The disposition was to en- courage the old banks to form under the new banking system as rapidly as they could. Section forty-four of that, revised act contained this provision : That any bank incorporated by special law, or any banking institution organized under a general law of any State, may, by authority of this act, become a national association under its provisions, by the name prescribed in its organization cer- tifloate. This gave to each existing bank, without regard to the rule of dis- tribution, the right to organize under the national banking system. It was supposed that when this act took effect these banks would rapidly go into the new system, but that the amount of $300,000,000 would stiU be amply sufficient to secure to each State its proper proportion. So matters went on. In the fall of 1864 the old banks were rapidly going into the new system. Then it was found necessary to reenact the old provision requiring a distribution. After a considerable debate in the Senate, in the session of 1864-'65, Congress by an amendment to the national banking act restored in the same words the old provision of the act of 1862. I wiU read it again. By the act approved March 3, 1865, it was provided : And that $160,000,000 of the entire amount of circulating notes authorized to be issued shall be apportioned to associations in the States, in the District of Colum- bia, and in the Territories, according to representative population, and the remainder shall be apportioned by the Secretary of the Treasury among associations formed in the respective States, in the District of Columbia, and in the Territories, having due regard to the existing banking capital, resources, and business of such State, District, and Territory. According to the last report before that time there was only $65,- 000,000 of circulation outstanding, so that this old provision or banier against unequal distribution was restored to the law long before there was any large amount in circulation. The amount outstanding on the 1st of October, 1864, according to the official statement, which I have in my hand, was $65,864,650. When the war closed, and as the credit of the country revived, banks were rapidly organized under the national banking system. Then it was that this privilege, which for a long time had gone a-beg- ging, was eagerly sought for by old and new banking associations; and as the capital of the country was accumulated mainly in the older States, immediately after the war was over there was a great rush to organize national banks there. The Comptroller of me Currency utterly disregarded the law that I have read, and authorized banks to be formed without any reference whatever to that rule of distribiition. He did not even, refer to such a law in his next report. JSTow he justi- fies himself by a provision of an act passed on the same day, the 3d of March, 1865, an amendment made to an internal revenue act, thrust into a place where it did not belong, and offered and adopted with scarcely any consideration, in the last hours of the session. It is a striking evidence of the eiJects of tacking legislation on appropriation THE OUEEENCY. 219 and otlier bills during the last hours of a session. Under that amend- ment the Comptroller sought to excuse or justify his disregard of the provision passed after debate! on the same day. I will read that amend- ment. It was inserted on motion of the Senator -from Ehode Island [Mr. Anthony], I think at midnight, or at a very late hour : That any existing bank organized under the laws of any State, having a paid-up capital of not less than $75,000, which shall apply before the 1st day of July next, shall have authority to become a national hank under the act entitled " An act to provide a national currency secured by a pledge of United States bonds, and to pro- vide for the circulation and redemption thereof," approved June 3, 1864, and shall comply with all the requirements of said act, shall, if such bank be found by the Comptroller of the Currency to be in good standing and credit, receive such au- thority in preference to new associations applying for the same. That is, it continued the old privilege in favor of the old banks up to the 1st of July then following. Now, it seems to me that an execu- tive officer, in construing these two laws together, both being of the same date, would give effect to both. He would naturally say that the distribution would be made under the act of March 3, 1865, first read by me, and then that in availing themselves of that distribution the existing banks within the State might under the second act I read have the priority within the limits assigned to that State under the distribu- tion. That was undoubtedly the true construction of the acts; but even this limited operation of the amendment of Mr. Anthony expires on the 1st of July, 1865 ; and yet on that day the whole amount of banking circulation was less than one hundred and fifty million dollars ; and the other $150,000,000 was issued in plain disregard of law, with- out any pretense of justification, and that has created all this difficulty. I have in my hand the report of the Comptroller of the Currency, showing that on the 1st of October, 1865, three months after this priv- ilege had exhausted itself, the whole amount of circulation then out- standing was $190,847,055, leaving $110,000,000 yet to be distributed ; and yet this $110,000,000 was issued to banks in the old States, not only in violation of the act of March 3, 1865, which I have read, but in violation of the act under pretense of which it was done. That act expired by its own limitation on the 1st of July preceding. I call at- tention to this matter simply to show that this whole difficulty grew out of a disregard of the law ; .that it was not the defect of the law, but a violation of the law. 'Now, Mr. President, this unequal distribution creates an iron mo- nopoly, which is the'source of sectional complaint in this country, and which, as sure as fate, will overthrow this system of banking unless it is corrected in some way. You can not maintain in this country a sys- tem which is bound within limits beyond which it can not go ; a system which is now regarded as a profitable privilege, the chief benefits of which have been absorbed by a single section of the country. When you add the fact that this unequal distribution was brought about by a plain and palpable violation of law, you have a case of injustice that will not be submitted to. It will be overthrown even if the whole sys- tem mufet be overthrown. From the very time this inequality was ascertained, at the very next session of Congress, bills were introduced 220 gPEECHES AND REPORTS OF JOHN SHERMAN. both in the Senate and in the House to provide for a redistribution of the currency. Complaints were made Ijhat the new States, where credit is needed, where money is needed, where more than anywhere else the convenience of banking is necessary, were utterly excluded ; that they were allowed no banks, no means of borrowing ; while the older States, where credit was less needed, where capital had been accumulated by ages of labor, had a superfluity of circulation. Then it was that in the West there arose a great cry for more currency. Every Western State demanded of its Kepresentatives and Senators more currency, while the Eastern States, who had a surplus of it under the law and under the distribution, rather demanded contraction. Yet when the Western States called on the Eastern States to render a por- tion of this circulation, difficulties occurred. They then claimed that these banks had vested rights ; that they had received the circulation in good faith, in accordance with law ; that it would be wrong to take it away from them ; that it would derange their business, call in debts and loans, and would be very embarrassing. So strong was the necessity felt of equalizing this distribution that during the last Congress both Houses passed biUs withdrawing from the New England States their excess of circulation and distributing it among the Western and Southern States ; but the Senate and House differed as to the extent and manner of the redistribution. The House demanded a general revision and tearing up, you may say y- of the old banking institutions in the Eastern States and the distribution of that circulation in the West. The House bill was so general in its charac- ter that I felt the force of the argument of the Senators who opposed it, that it would derange business so as to do more harm to the inter- ests of the whole country than good to the Western States. In the Senate we proposed to limit the redistribution to twenty, thirty, or forty million dollars, and to that extent we did provide for it ; but the dif- ference between the two Houses caused both propositions to fail, and now the circulation continues unequally distributed as before. The question now is, what remedy ought to be provided ? There are but two. The first is to carry out the plan, proposed at the last Congress, to recall from the banlts in the Eastern States their excess of circulation and distribute it to the West and South, maintaining the limit of $300,000,000 of national bank circulation. The objection to that has already been stated by me, and will no doubt be made by others if the debate should go so far, that it would derange business more in the East that it would help the West and South ; that although the officers of the Government may have done wrong, jet, as these banks have a kind of vested right m the privilege granted to them for a certain length of time, it would be hard to take it away from them. That argument was felt here in the Senate, and I presume will now prevent anything like a general redistribution of the national banking circulation. The only other way is to increase the limit of banking|^circulation. It is now limited to $300,000,000. The Committee on Einance pro- posed to raise the limit to $345,000,000 and allow this increase of $45,- 000,000 to be distributed in the West and South. Here at once objec- THE CURRENCY. 221 tion is made that this is an inflation of the currency. For one I must say that, with my views of what is best for the public interests, I can not support any measure, pending the present condition of affairs and the suspension of specie payments, that will increase the volume of paper currency in this country, until we get down to the solid basis of gold and silver coin. And yet at the same time I see the vital necessity of repairing this unequal distribution of banking circulation. We must do that or else be prepared to see the whole system of national banking overthrown and replaced by the old system ol State banks. The national banking system is infinitely preferable to any State banking system. I do not think any intelligent man who examines this question will hesitate on that point. The old State banks were gov- erned by a diversity of laws ; they were bound in a diversity of securi- ties, and in many cases without any. The notes were as multifarious in form, color, and dies as the skill of bank-note-engi-avers could make them. Under the national system we have absolute security to the bill- holder. We have uniformity in the notes. There are but a few forms of notes, so that any plain man carrying on the ordinary business of life can teU whether a note is good or not. They are all printed with the g-eatest care by the Government. The Government is the guarantor. The Government holds in its hands absolute security for their redemp- tion. They are a uniform currency, floating all over the United States, as good in one place as another ; while under the State banking system the notes were good only within the limits of the State. The national banking system is much better, much more secure, but at the same time it can not be maintained as a sectional monopoly. This is the fatal weakness of the system, which if removed would leave us the best paper currency yet devised.' JNow, Mr. President, in order to avoid any expansion of the cur- rency there were two courses open to the Committee on Finance, and on this there was some difference of opinion. One was as the new bank notes were issued to withdraw the United States notes, or, as they are commonly called, the greenbacks. This proposition, even if it should receive the assent of the Senate, would probably not receive that of the House. The greenbacks are a great favorite of the people. They were the agency and means by which our country was carried through the war. They are a convenient form of currency. During the suspen^on of specie payments they are the best form of currency. Any contraction of the amount of greenbacks, except as a means of ap- proaching specie payments, would be met by a strong popular opposi- tion. Even if our reason should convince us that it is wiser and better to withdraw them, in order to give place to national-bank notes and gold and silver coin, the opinions of our constituents would prevent us from doing it. This feeling is the great obstacle to specie payments. If we should attempt it, it will cause a contraction of the currency more severe and stringent than any we have yet felt. Heretofore any contraction that has gone on has been made good by some other form of circulation. We have already retired flf ty or sixty million dollars of greenbacks, but during that process we issued over one hundred million dollars of 222 SPEECHES AND EEPOETS OF JOHN SHERMAN. national-bank notes. If now the process of contraction should go on, if we should withdraw greenbacks merely to equalize the distribution of bank circulation, we should create a stringency in the money market and prevent the formation of new banks, leaving the present distribu- tion a festering sore of sectional irritation. The payment of the ^een- backs or the funding of them into bonds should be treated as a distinct measure of financial policy — as a measure of resumption, and not at all as a means of distributing bank circulation. But this is a subject that is scarcely worth discussing now, because in view of the general senti- ment in all parts of our country a retirement now of greenbacks to give way to national-bank notes would not receive the approval of our constituents, and no financial measure ought to pass Congress unless it receives the assent of the substantial people of the country. The only alternative, then, was the withdrawal of what are called the three per cent, certificates. These certificates are a demand loan by the United States, payable in greenbacks on demand or after ten days' notice. They draw three per cent, interest. They are held by the banks as a portion of their reserve in the place of greenbacks. They are, therefore, the most dangerous form of Government indebtedness, because we are liable to be called for the amount of them at a time when it is most inconvenient to pay them. We are liable to be called upon to pay them in the midst of a panic. As we apraoach specie pay- ments we may be called upon to pay them in coin. They were issued only under the pressure of necessity. Senators around me wiU remem- ber very well their history. The banks held a large amount of matur- ing compound-interest notes. Those were in the nature of currency, and were presented for payment as they became due. The Secretary of the Treasury had no means to pay them except by issuing a new form of certificates or more bonds. He did not desire to increase the bonded debt of the United States, and therefore called upon Congress to authorize him to issue these temporary loan certificates. The only reason why they were taken at all, bearing as they did so low a rate of interest as three per cent., was because we gave the banks who hold them the privilege of counting them as a part of their reserve. They may at any time by a contraction of the currency be forced out of the banks upon the Treasury for payment. This form of indebtedness ought to be paid off as rapidly as possible. But the payment of these three per cent, certificates operates as a contraction of the currency. As they are paid ofiE and retired their place must be supplied by the same amount of greenbacks in the vaults of the banks. They are in every essential particular except actual cir- culation among the people a currency precisely to the same extent as the United States notes. The very moment they are paid oft' their place must be supplied bv United States notes. If they are presented for payment they must be paid in United States notes or coin. The bill therefore proposes to retire $45,000,000 of three per cent, certifi- cates, all that are now outstanding, as these new bank notes are issued. Under tlie first and second sections of the bill, therefore, $45,000,- 000 of circulating notes will bo apj)ortioned among the several States, in accordance with existing law, mainly to the people of the South, and THE OUEEENOY. 223 as the banks are organized from month to month the Secretary of the Treasury is required to pay ofE the three per cent, certificates. Each Senator will be interested in the question how much his own State will get of this $45,000,000, and Senators have inquired of me how it will be divided. There has been some criticism as to whether or not the terms of the bill were clear and specific enough to secure a distribution according to existing law ; and I have, therefore, caused to be prepared by the Comptroller of the Currency a statement showing what States will receive this $45,000,000. In answer to a communica- tion of mine the Comptroller of the Currency says : TrEASTJET DEPAKTMElfT, , OFriOE OE COMPTEOLLEB OF THE CtIKKENOT, Washingtoit, D. C, January 20, 1870. See : I have the honor to acknowledge the receipt of your communication of the 17th instant, and to state in reply that my construction of the last clause of section one of a hill to provide a national currency of coin notes, and to equalize the dis- trihution of circulating notes (S. No. 378), is that those States having less than their proportion according to population would he entitled to priority over other States in the supply of hank circulation. I inclose herewith a statement showing the amount to which each of the South- ern States would he entitled under the apportionment of the first $150,000,000, the amount which has already heen furnished to those States, and the amount neces- sary to hring those States upon an equality under such apportionment with the other States of the Union, from which you will observe that it will require $25,- 289,570 to supply the per ca/pita apportionment of those States, leaving something over nineteen million dollars to be apportioned according to business, banking capi- tal, resources, etc., or to be retained until a new apportionment can be made under the census of 1870. If it should seem proper to the committee to direct which of these courses should be pursued, I shall, of course, acquiesce in their judgment. Very respectfully, H. E. HULBUED, Oomptroller. Hon. John Sheeman, Chairman Finance Committee United States Senate. Statement slmwing tlie amount of circulation to which each of the Southern States would he the ajyporlionment of the first $160,000,000, iAe amount which has already 'i and the amount necessary to bring these States upon an eqvMity with the other States. STATES. Virginia and West Virginia. , Missouri Kentucky Tennessee Louisiana Mississippi , Georgia North Carolina South Carolina Alabama Texas Arkansas Florida Amount entl- Amount apportion- ment. received. equalize. $6,032,457 $4,129,600 $1,902,857 6,823,061 4,218,630 1,604,431 5,076,106 2,371,620 2,704,486 4,551,585 1,265,470 3,286,115 2,053,838 1,245,000 808,338 1,935,456 66,000 1,869,456 3,247,395 1,234,000 2,013,396 3,610,149 383,400 3,226,749 1,644,205 218,000 1,426,205 2,887,413 353,026 2,534,388 2,300,938 407,535 1,893,403 1,769,896 179,600 1,690,396 429,361 429,351 $41,361,350 $16,071,780 $26,289,570 224 SPEECHES AND REPOETS OF JOHN SHEEMAN. It appears from the statement that the Southern States, in order to make up their share of the first $150,000,000, will receive $25,289,570. That will leave $19,000,000 of this additional circulation to be dis- tributed under the second clause of the apportionment ; that is, to the States according to resources, banking circulation, etc., giving first to those now having the least circulation. This will give to the Western and Southern States, under the rule of apportionment provided by existing law, some nineteen million dollars. Precisely tow much it will give to each State would be difficult to tell at present, without a careful ex- amination and comparison of their resources, business capital, etc. At any rate, $25,289,570 of this amount would first be distributed to those States having no circulation at all, or very little ; and the remaining $20,000,000 would be distributed to the Southern and Western States. This is all I desire to say in regard to the first branch of the bill. The last three sections of the bill relate entirely to the coin notes. The committee were of .the opinion that it was better in this biU to establish a simple general rule by which associations might organize under the banking system in any part of the country to issue coin notes without any limitation as to circulation. The objection may be made that advantage will not be taken of this privilege ; but we are assured by the highest authorities that banks would at once be organ- ized under this system in the States of California and Oregon, and in the cities of New York, Charleston, and E"ew Orleans. No banks would be organized upon a coin basis with authority to issue coin notes unless coin or coin notes were in general circulation at the place of location of the banks. As a matter of course, where the ordinary circulation of the country is supplied by our national currency notes or greenbacks, gold notes would not have a ready circulation ; but it is to be remembered that the whole Pacific coast is now using gold and silver coin, and is eager and anxious to avail itself of the benefit of banking upon a gold basis. We have assurances that banks will be organized at once under this system on the Pacific coast, with a very large amount of circulation, thus unlocking, if you please, a portion of the gold that must necessa- rily be used now for the ordinary purposes of circulation. In the city of New York there is now going on a commerce of more than six hun- dred million dollars, all of which is conducted on the gold basis ; and so great is the necessity for paper- money to represent this gold busi- ness that those who transact it actually deposit $50,000,000 of gold coin in the Treasury of the United States, and receive gold notes without interest, merely to facilitate the ordinary transaction of this great com- mercial business. I suppose the transactions between the first and second dealers in New York based upon gold notes, upon gold, and upon gold values, amount to more than one thousand million dollars per annum. The speculative transactions upon gold and gold notes nave in some cases amounted to three or four hundred million dollars a day ; but those are mere representative operations that we do not re- gard. The actual business transactions in gold now being carried on in tlio city of New Yorlc represent an aggregate annual business of not less than $1,000,000,000. The whole foreign commerce in the city of THE OUERENOY. 225 New York, exports and imports, is about six hundred million dollars ; and allowing that merchandise exported and imported passes through two hands before its value is quoted in our paper currency, the amount of business transactions is probably more than one thousand million dollars. So in the cities of Charleston and New Orleans, where cotton is measured by the gold standard, these coin notes can be very readily used, and they will there be a very convenient agency of exchange for marketing the great staple of cotton. These banks may be organized in these places, and to the extent that they are organized they will fur- nish to the people a safe currency based upon coin, payable in coin, and having all the qualities required by the best national currency. I take it, without extending my argument on this point — for I did not intend to speak very long, biit merely to present these outlines — that these coin notes when issued will present the four essential requi- sites of a good currency : first, the absolute protection of the note-holder by the United States ; second, the agency of private corporations or banks to give flexibility to the currency, and to meet the ebb and flow of exchanges ; third, its redemption in gold coin on demand ; fourth, its freedom from monopoly or restrictions, except such as are necessary to protect the creditors of the banks. These are the only points that are essential for the consideration of this bill. I might now mention a multitude of other topics that may be drawn into this discussion which are now being considered by the Committee on Finance. It seems to me this bill ought to be confined to these two distinct propositions. If you attempt, for instance, to regulate the character of the bonds that should be deposited as security for the coin notes or the circulating notes, you trespass upon another great domain, the funding system. Therefore we have provided for the organization of these banks upon existing bonds ; and if any law should hereafter be enacted requiring banks now in operation to buy a new kind of bonds as the basis of their circulation, its provisions would apply to them. So there are a multitude of other questions that might be drawn into this discussion. The question of a choice between greenbacks and bank notes might be drawn into it ; but we have avoided any reference to it because I believe the judgment of the country is gradually settling down to the conviction that a note issued by a Government can not be a proper agency of circulation. Other nations as well as our own have often tried the experiment of maintaining a circulating note issued by the Government, and they have uniformly found it to fail. It is im- possible to give a currency issued by a Government the fiexibiKty ne- cessary to meet the movement of the exchanges ; and therefore experi- ence has shown that a note issued by a Government, and maintained upon the guarantee of the Government alone, does not form a good circulating medium except during a suspension of specie payments. It must have a flexibility which will enable it to be increased in certain periods of the year, and to flow back again into the vaults of the banks at others. I am convinced, although it is unnecessary to discuss that point here, that in time it will be wise to retire our United States notes 15 226 SPEECHES AND REPORTS OF JOHN SHERMAN. aud all forms of Government circulation and depend upon notes issued by private corporations, amply secured beyond peradventure, so that in no case can the note-holder lose, and to subject the banks to regula- tions applicable to all parts of the "country, making them free, so that the business of banking will be like the business of manufacturing, blacksmithing, or any other ordinary occupation or business of life, governed only by general law. I have thus, I trust, Mr. President, directed the attention of the Senate to the points involved in this bill. I will not prolong the dis- cussion any further, but will endeavor to answer such questions and furnish such information as may be necessary to throw light on the bill. I only beg of Senators not to encumber this bill, on which we desire the action of the Senate, so that we may have it out of our way in order to reach the much more difficult questions involved in the funding biU and the various propositions that are now under considera- tion by the Committee on Finance. Mr. Sumner moved to do away with the whole bill, and had his substitute read, when Mr. Sherman said : I will state frankly to the Senate that the bill which is now pending —not the amendment that is offered, because that is a funding bil^ which subject is now under the consideration of the Committee on Finance — is confined to two subjects. An increase of the banking currency to the extent of $45,000,000, with authority to issue coin notes to certain States, for it can only be in certain States, is a preliminary measure, and the Committee on Finance are very anxious to have the Senate act upon it before they proceed to the consideration of other bills now pending. I hope the bill will not excite much debate. It plainly, to a certam extent at least, so far as it goes, tends to relieve a great inequality in the distribution of banking circulation. It does not go so far as some Senators desire, but certainly it goes in the right di- rection. It does not contract the currency, nor does it expand the cur- rency, but leaves matters just as they are. The amendment now offered by the Senator from Massachusetts in- troduces a great variety of topics. The very proposition that he offers as an amendment is before the Committee on Finance, ai\d is being daily considered in connection with other measures of a similar chai"- acter. It has no relation to the subject matter of the bill mider con- sideration. The first section of his amendment, it is true, does relate to the subject matter, and it is in the same line. He proposes to in- crease the limit of banking circulation to $500,000,000 upon a retire- ment of greenbacks. The committee have reported this bill to increase the volunie of $45,000,000 upon the retirement of the three per cent. certificates. If the Senator from Massachusetts is not content to take the action of the committee and await the repoi't of the committee on his bill, which is now being fairly and fully considered, and desires to precipitate a general discussion upon the funding system, upon the sub- stitution of bank notes for greenbacks, and upon the character of the bonds to be the basis of our banking system, as a matter of course this 'liscussion will be very much prolonged. But I appeal to him, and I THE CUERENOY. 227 appeal to all the Senators around me, whether it is not better to pass this bill in the form reported by the Committee on Finance, leaving all the other questions which must necessarily come up to be provided for in a bill to be hereafter reported, and soon to be reported, I trust, after it has been fully and maturely considered, when every Senator will have an opportunity to present his financial views in extenso. The present bill does nothing in the world except to extend the limit of the present bank circulation $45,000,000, for the benefit of the Southern States mostly and partly for the benefit of the "Western States, without changing any existing provision of law, and in order to avoid the question of the expansion of the currency to retire $46,000,- 000 of three per cent, certificates. It ought not to open any general discussion, and therefore I am very much surprised to hear a motion made to postpone this biU and take up any other. I trust we may have the action of the Senate on the pending proposition without its being complicated with the great variety of matters which will necessarily be involved in a financial discussion. If the Senate are disinclined to pass this bill, let us have the benefit of that determination, and get it out of the way entirely and forever, so that we may go on with the consideration of other questions. I have heard the discussion on both sides of the chamber, from both parties, for three or four years, and I believe there is not a Senator here of any party or of any section who does not concede that some provision must be made for the redistribution of bank circulation at this session. For the present we propose a partial remedy ; and the plan suggested of retiring the three per cent, certificates now meets the approval, I may say, of almost every branch of the Government. The Secretary of the Treasury recommends it in his j-eport ; the Presi- dent of the United States recommends it in his annual message. I do not know that any objection has been made to it even in the public prints. It seems to be conceded that this is the most innocent way in which this now pressing necessity of a partial redistribution of bank circulation can be brought about. The proposition for free banking on a coin basis, I believe, also re- ceives the general assent of our constituents in all parts of our country. The only doubt that has been suggested in the consideration of the sub- ject is whether such banks would be organized ; but that doubt has been answered by the actual offer of large corporations and wealthy individuals on the Pacific coast and in New York to organize them upon the basis of existing law. I trust, therefore, we shall proceed with the consideration of this bill, adopt such amendments to it as the Senate think proper, and then pass it. I assure the Senator from Massachusetts that the friends of this measure for the equalization of the bank distribution are not to be di- verted' from their purpose. At the last session of Congress we were to some extent prevailed upon to yield a measure of substantial justice ; but I tell him now, candidly and fairly, that at this session of Congress the gross and palpable injustice of the present distribution of the cur- rency, brought about by a violation of the law in the interest of a few States, will be and shall be corrected. I say that authoritatively, be- 228 . SPEECHES AND REPORTS OF JOHN SHERMAN. cause the representativeB of three fourths of the States on this floor and more than four fifths of the members of the other House of Congress feel that in this their constituents are suffering daily and personally a gross injustice. We are not to be diverted from the purpose of cor- recting this gross inequality by any plausible and illusive amendments or pretexts. When the Senator offered this amendment I characterized it as a funding bill, and said he threw into this discussion a vast multitude of topics. Why, sir, his own speech shows clearly that what I said was true. What does he mean by talking about taxation, reduction of in- terest on the public debt, funding the greenbacks, and a great variety of subjects ? The bill he introduced yesterday as an amendment to this me£|.sure provided for a new class of bonds, four per cent, bonds. Not only that, it repudiated the obligation of the existing bonds. The amendment offered by him contains the most striking act of repudisr tion that I have ever yet seen offered in Congress except by one of my colleagues in the House, and he had only a single vote ; and that is, a Eroposition that in case the banks will not take the new bonds we shall old in the Treasury the excess of interest and deny the obligation to pay the interest on the bonds now deposited with the Government of the United States. A proposition contained in the amendment offered by the Senator from Massachusetts expressly declares *hat if a bank does not do so and so, the Treasurer of the United States shall retain in his hands one third of the interest on its bonds without any provision to give the bank an opportunity to withdraw them. " You must take this new bond, or I will withhold one third of the interest on your bond." That is the provision. I will read it : And if any national bank shall not farnisli to the Treasurer of the United States the neiv bonds, as required by this act, within three months after having been notified by the Secretary of the Treasury of his readiness to deliver such bonds, it shall be the duty of the Treasurer, so long as such delinquency exists, to retain from the interest as may become due and payable on the bonds belonging to such delinquent banks, on deposit with him as security for circulating notes, so much of such interest as shall be in excess of four per cent, per annum on' the amount of such bonds, which excess shall be placed to the credit of the sinking fund of the United States. In othei* words, it confiscates one third of the interest on the bonds. The amendment proposed by the Senator fi'om Massachusetts i"aises every question! that is raised by a funding bill. There is the exemption of the bonds from taxation, national. State, and municipal ; there is the exemption of the bonds from even the income tax ; there is every ques- tion presented in this amendment that can be presented in any fimding bill. Now, the Senator from Massachusetts need not be informed that no person on this floor certainly has shown himself more anxious than myself to reduce the public debt, to devise some way to fund it at a lower rate of interest ; but it never occurred to me that we had the power to take these bankers and bond-holders by the throat and say to them, " You shall surrender your bonds or wo will take off and reserve in the Treasury of the United States one third of yoiir interest." That never occurred to mo ; and yet that is the effect of the proposition ori- THE OUREENOT. 229 ginally submitted yesterday. It is, true that the Senator now modifies it. The remarks I made were upon the proposition then pending ; but it is now modified ; and yet it is a funding bill. The Senator now proposes to withdraw $200,000,000 of greenbacks, the favorite circulation of the people of the United States, and issue in their place bank notes. He knows very well that if the Senate should be prevailed upon in an evil hour to adopt this amendment, it would be the end of all measures for the redistribution of the banking circu- lation. Such a proposition can not be adopted in the House of Kepre- sentatives. But I ask the Senator how will he retire and redeem the $200,000,000 of greenbacks that he proposes to retire by the operation of his amendment as now offered ? He withdraws $200,000,000 of greenbacks before the bank notes are issued, or as they are issued.. Where does he propose to get the money with which to pay $200,000,- 000 of greenbacks ? Out of surplus revenue ? Not at all. He must do it by issuing new bonds, by increasing the bonded debt. What kind of bonds ? What shall be their nature, what their rate of interest, when shall they be payable, and how taxable ? The very amendment now offered by him raises inf erentially every question that is presented by a fimding bill. The Senator's proposition is a proposition to ingraft on this bill for immediate reHef a funding biU, raising a multitude of questions which will probably be debated here for two or three days. This is part of the very bill introduced by the Senator that is now being considered by the Committee on Finance, every section of which has been care- fully gone over word for word, together with a multitude of other projects sent not only from the Executive Departments, but from other members of the Senate. We are now considering those questions in the Finance Committee, and, the Senator seeks to complicate this bill by throwing open all this wide field of discussion on this simple bill to provide a partial remedy for a great injustice. Mr. President, we may as well talk plainly in regard to this proposi- tion. That some measure for the distribution of the banking circular tion wiU pass this Congress I have no doubt. The strength of the votes is here. The Senator from Massachusetts himself admits the necessity of it, the absolute justice of it, and there are but two modes of doing it. One is the plan proposed by 'the Senator from Kentucky, to make the distribution according to existing laws. If the Senator from Massachusetts wants a thorough measure, one that is just and right and thorough, going to the bottom as he says, let him take that. jfe objects to ours as timid. If he wants a thorough measure, one that is just and defensible and right from beginning to end, let us do what is right, and let the representatives from the States which have an excess come forward and say, "We. will concede that the law shall be carried out and that the advantage' which we hold in violation of law, in disregard of law, shall not any longer be held by us." If he wants what is called root-and-branch work without any regard to the interest of his constituents or the business relations of the country, if he wants what is called a radical measure, I am wilKngto support it and to provide according to existing law for a redistribution of the 230 SPEECHES AND EEPORTS OF JOHN SHERMAN. bank circulation. That will draw from the three States of Massachu- setts, Connecticut, and Rhode Island $56,000,000 of bank circulation, more than enough to supply all the present wants of the West and South. ■ Why should not this be done ? Why should we not vote for the fropositions of the honorable Senator from Kentucky ? Here perhaps am touching upon what the Senator from Massachusetts calls our timidity. He says we timidly approach this question. Why are we timid ? Simply because we do not wish to do injustice to his constitu- ents. We do not wish to disturb the business relations that have grown up out of a practical violation of law. We do not wish to compel the banks of New England to sue their debtors and call in all their credits. We timidly approach a question where the rights and interests of his constituents are concerned. If the question were to be decided according to the rights and interests and wishes of my con- stituents, I should vote for the proposition of the Senator from Ken- tucky to make thorough work of this, and not be arraigned here by the Senator from Massachusetts for proposing a timid measure when the only timidity of our proposition is that we have declined to do justice, even against his own constituents. Now, Mr. President, let us go a little further. It is said that this measure is not sufficient. That objection is well taken. Forty-five million dollars is probably not enough ; but it is enough for the present purpose ; it is enough for two years. The Comptroller of the Curren- cy says, in his official report, that $45,000,000 will probably be all that can be absorbed by the South and West. My own impression is that the whole amount of $45,000,000 will not be absorbed ; that there will be verge enough in the $45,000,000 to supply the wants of aU the cotton States and of all the Western States, because banks can not now be organized so readily and so easily as they could a few years ago. The bonds, which are the basis of the bank circulation, are very high in the market. Men will think a great many times before they wiU pay from ten to twenty per cent, premium for bonds in order to make them the basis of circulation. The operation of banking will go on with much more difficulty. During the war the profits of banking were very high. Now they are not so high. I have no doubt, there- fore, that the measure proposed by the committee, while it may not be sufficient for all time, is yet sufficient for two or three yeai-s, during which we shall be approaching specie payments. It is ample for our present purpose, and therefore the amount ought not to be increased. Even if $45,000,000 is not enough for all time it is enough for one year at least, and we shall be in session again next December, an.d can then provide, if necessary, for a further distribution. But the Senator asks why withdraw the three per cent, certificates. I will tell him. Because it is a currency upon which we are now pay- ing to his constituents three per cent, interest. The banks of his sec- tion hold it in their vaults as part of their reserve. Nearly all those three per cent, certificates are hold in the State of New York and in New England ; very few of them are held anywhere else. Those banks hold them as part of their reserve, and they are now actually drawing three per cent, interest on United States currency. THE OURRENOY. 231 But the Senator, wliile stating correctly in the main, has not stated with exact accuracy the history of the three per cent, certificates. No one desired to issue the three per cent, certificates. If he will look back to the debate on the subject he will find that I, for one, took the ground that it was the most oppressive form of indebtedness ; but we then had a choice only between the three per cent, certificates and more five-twenty bonds. When the compound-interest notes became due the Government paid off as many as it could ; but there were some sixty or seventy million doUars that it had not means to pay. The only question then was whether we should authorize an increase of the bonded debt or the issuing of these three per cent, certificates. It was supposed that the three per cent. CQf tificates would be a temporary loan, kept out for a short time ; and rather than increase the bonded debt bearing an in- terest of six per cent, in gold, we authorized the issue temporarily of three per cent, certificates, which are now held ^entirely by the banks. Probably no individual in the United States holds a three per cent, certificate unless as the agent of a bank. They are locked up in the safes of the banks. While they are there they perform all the func- tions of a currency except actual circulation among the people. They do not pass from hand to hand, but they are held oy the banks in the place of greenbacks, and the very moment they are paid oif, green- backs must flow in and take their place. Now, what advantage is derived from calling them in and issuing new bank circulation ? The Government saves the payment of three per cent, interest on the certificates, and the banks are compelled to hold greenbacks drawing no interest, so that we save by the substitu- tion of greenbacks in the bank vaults for these three per cent, certifi- cates the interest we now pay upon the latter. But that is not all. If these certificates are made the basis of new banks, we tax the new banks about three per cent., so that in this way we gain by increased taxation on new banks three per cent., and we also save three per cent, interest on the certificates, thus making a gain to the United States of at least six per cent. It is therefore an object for the Government to retire these three per cent, certificates ; and if upon that retirement we can base a reason- able increase of bank circulation in the Southern and Western States so as to satisfy, at least for a time, a just and well-founded complaint, it seems to me instead of acting timidly and foohshly we are acting wisely and for the best interests of the Government and the people. But if the States we have been endeavoring to protect, whose people came to us last winter and begged us not to disturb their business relations, think it is better to go down to the foundation of this matter, to go back to the old law and enforce that, let it be so, and let us adopt the amendment of the Senator from Kentucky. I do not think it would be best. I think that, without disturbing any existing bank, or derang- ing affairs anywhere, we may supply all the wants of the South and West, for at least two years, by an increase of banking circulation through the substitution of bank notes for the three per cent, certifi- cates. 232 SPEECHES AND EEP0ET8 OF JOHN SHERMAN. In regai'd to the other branch of this bill, the sections providing for free banking upon a coin basis, I have no doubt that they will be the basis of all the banks of the United States within a very short time. Indeed, by the adoption of a funding bill, and of measures that look to the reduction of the interest on the public debt, by an increase of our revenue, by our improved credit, by our enlarged production, by our growing commerce, by measures that may be adopted from time to time, we shall gradually approach specie payments, and in that way all banks will be upon a coin basis. My honorable friend from Indiana, whose opinions I always respect, seemed to think that banks organized upon a gold-coin basis under this bill could not be maintained. Why, sir, they nave always been main- tained. They were maintained before the suspension of specie pay- ments and can be maintained now. jSTo bank ever held enough coin in its vaults to pay off its notes ; and we have provided now in this biU larger securities for the payment of these coin notes than were provided for bank notes issued by any bank that I ever read of. We have pro- vided for an actual reserve of twenty-five per cent, in coin. We Imve provided for the deposit of bonds, payable principal and interest in gold, for twenty per cent, more than the amount of the new notes. There is absolute safety unless the Government of the United States itself perishes. But the Senator says these banks will not be organized. Then what harm is done ? We shall at least have given to the Pacific coast (where long experience has shown that they can not introduce the legal-tender currency of the United States, and where gold now circulates and is the basis of all transactions) the opportunity of forming banks upon the national banking system. Why deny them that privilege ? The Sena- tor from Indiana is afraid of contraction ; and yet he read from the report of the Secretary of the Treasury that if we do not adopt this system greenbacks will flow into the Pacific States and thus create a conti'action in the East. Why, sir, if you let the people of California, Oregon, and I^evada follow the bent of their own inclinations, they will not have paper money at all except it be paper money based upon coin. I know, and their representatives are here to speak for them, that they are anxious to adopt a system of banks based upon coin. Why not give them the opportunity ? If they are organized and supplied with these coin notes, as a matter of course it leaves more greenbacks to circulate among us, and prevents the very evil my honorable friend seems to contemplate with terror. But he made another great mistake. He said that coin notes were not in circulation. Why, sir, there are more coin notes than f'eenbacks in circulation among the people of New York City to-day. hey are called gold certificates, but they are in the form and simili- tude of bank notes, circulating from hand to hand; and they now actually transact a larger amount of the business of the city oi New York tnan the greenbacks. My honorable friend can not be ignorant that the great commercial transactions of this country are based upon gold and settled in gold, and that these coin notes, from the necessity of the case, are used as a substitute for gold. The very fact that pn- THE OUERENOY. , 233 vate persons are willing to deposit their gold in the Treasury of the United States and receive therefor a certificate or a note without inter- est, and to hold that note from month to month and from year to year, shows that there is a commercial demand for this kind of paper, and that these coin notes are equivalent to coin and have not the uncertain fluctuating value of paper currency. They are demanded now at the great commercial centers of our country. They are de- manded in Oregon and California, as is sufficiently shown in this de- bate, and as I know from correspondence with a great many persons there. They would also be a convenient currency in the city of JSTew York. But my honorable friend says that if a bank on this basis were started in the city of New York it would break. How could it break ? Only in the same way that any other bank could break ; but it could not break to the injury of the note-holder unless after ex- hausting the twenty-five per cent, of gold on hand the bonds in the Treasury were not sufficient to redeem its notes, and that is not a supposable case. If there were any doubt about that, the amount of notes to be issued ought to be restricted stiR further. Banking oper- ations are conducted upon the basis of confidence. The very moment you give to a bank that confidence which alone will maintain it, its notes, whether payable iu currency or gold, will circulate in the com- munity until a suspicion is cast upon its credit. Then they will flow back to the vaults of the bank ; and if a part of them be promptly met, confidence is restored. Sir, there is more safety and security in this system of coin notes than there is in the paper dollar. Last year the fiuctuation in paper money amounted to forty-five per cent. Gold, however, remained as stable as the eternal hills, because it was not only the product of labor, but it was labor and value itself. Your paper money fluctuates among the bulls and bears of New York. The operations of three or four men there almost produced a catastrophe, and nothing set- tled the matter except the gold in the money market. The throwing of a kittle gold upon the market ended that great panic. I believe that these coin notes, if banks are organized under the provisions of this bill, without any sudden change in our banking law, wiU gradually take the place of greenbacks and also of the ordi- nary bank notes, and that as we approach specie payments the banks will base their operations entirely on gold and silver coin. But if the Senator is correct, if this expectation of mine is delusive, what harm can the provision do ? None whatever. It will at least give to the Pacific coast an opportunity of having a stable and fair currency. It can do no harm anywhere. It will give to the great commercial cen- ters, where they propose to carry on their operations in gold, an oppor- tunity to establish gold banks with ample security. Sir, there is no possible objection to this bill except the one stated by the Senator from Massachusetts, and that is that the bill does not go to the root of the difficulty. I confess that that is an objection ; but if we have timidly approached this question it has been out of regard for his constituents. If he is not satisfied, and those for whom 234 SPEECHES AND REPORTS OF JOHN SHERMAN. he speaks are not satisfied, then let us go to the root of the matter. For myself I do not desire to see any injury inflicted on any portion of our people. I believe that the measure proposed by the commit- tee, giving to the South and "West a small increase of their banking currency, which will enable them to get on for two years without any cause of complaint, is a sufficient measure for the present. It will not furnish the equalization that is desirable ; but the West and South will have no reasonable cause to complain so long as banking facilities are open to them, even if New England has more than her share. The South can not complain when she may go to the Treasury of the United States and receive banking circulation upon the same terms and conditions as New England. If the system is free to the extent provided there can be no ground for objection, although one portion of the country has more than another. It is only when it is bound round by an iron monopoly that there is objection to it. If $45,000,000 is not enough for the demand, even that would not destroy the monopoly ; but from the best infor- mation that the committee had, from the statement of the Secretary of the Treasury, from the statement of the Comptroller of the Cur- rency, from whom we have an official document that $40,000,000 or $35,000,000 will cover all the applications made from the Southern and Western States, we thought this measure would be a useful one, and concluded not to propose anything more radical. Besides, this timid measure that my honorable friend comments upon is the one suggested by the President of the United States, who is not a very timid man ; and this very bill meets the hearty approval of the Secretary of the Treasury, who is from his own State. It seems to me that for the Senator to characterize as wrong every- thing which does not come up to his standard of what is right is going rather too far. The truth is that my honorable friend has in- troduced a bill that has a great many good things in it. I have read that bill probably as often as he has, and probably know its origin as well ; and most of it I can support. It looks in the right direction. It looks to specie payments. It looks to the reduction of the interest on the public debt. It contains many good things ; but it is not a spe- cific for aU the ills of life. Pie must not offer it as an amendment to every bill that is proposed, no matter what its character. He must not drag the discussion of that bill into the debate upon every mea- sure that is proposed here. When the Committee on Finance, after careful consideration and with almost entire unanimity, perhaps I may say with entire unanimity, present a measure here to cure a palpable evil, to remedy an injustice that will not be endured any longer, without inflicting anv injury on his constituents, which is only beneficial to the South and AVest where this evil is complained of, instead of receiving his denunciation, instead of having amendments thrust upon it to drag in various other topics, we ought to have met with his cordial support ; he ought to have come to us and said, " Gentlemen, you have done justice to the West and South, at least for a year or two, without doing injustice to us." But if he is dissatisfied with it, then, as a matter of course, the Senate if THE OURKENOY. 235 they are moved by his arguments will go to the foundation, tear up aU the distribution made in violation of law, and give to each State and section of this country its fair and just share of the circulating medium. My own opinion is. Senators, that it is better to adopt this measure as it is, imperfect as it is, timid as it is, and leave all the other questions which have been involved in this debate — the interest on the public debt, the funding of the public debt, the taxing of the public debt, what bonds banking shall be based upon — all the multiplied forms of complicated questions growing out of our finances, to be discussed and decided, on bills that will be reported to you looking to that end. Then, if the Senator from Massachusetts or any other Senator has any favorite financial theories or documents that he wishes to present, that wiU be time ; but now, when we are dealing with a small matter, and yet a pressing matter, it seems to me it is not the proper time to do all these things. I therefore repeat that I think this bill ought to be confined to the objects proposed. If Senators do not agree with the committee on the measure reported, let them offer amendments bearing upon those par- ticular questions. The amendment of the Senator from Massachusetts is not of that kind. It proposes to withdraw the greenbacks and en- large the limit of banking circulation, without any provision for a re- distribution. It proposes to do what he must be satisfied the House of Kepresentatives will not agree to do, at least at this session of Con- gress. I know that the greenbacks are the great stumbling-block in the way of specie payments, and I hope that they will be gradually re- tired and funded ; but they must be withdrawn by funding them into bonds bearing a low rate of interest. As I do not wish to occupy the attention of the Senate again, I' de- sire now to reply to one or two other points made by my friend from Indiana. He says that there are a great many abuses growing out of this system of national banks. I agree with him in that respect ; and you never had a system of banking or a system of any other kind so extensive as this that was not subject to abuse. All we can say is that ex- perience has shown that this is the best banking system which has yet been devised. He says the banks charge too high a rate of interest. Ad- mit it ; the law allows every State to regulate that matter to suit itself. Would the Senator drag into this discussion of a measure intended to benefit his constituents and the whole South and West a controversy about our interest laws ? The general sentiment is coming to be that money, like every other commodity, ought to be left free to bear as high or as low a price as the parties can agree upon ; and experience in European countries has shown that where the rate of interest is left free it is lowest as a general rule. But that question ought not to be drawn into this discussion, because by the banking law every State may fix the rate of interest within its limits. JSTo bank can charge more than is allowed by the laws of the State to the citizens of the State. I sup- posed that in Indiana they had a law which allowed ten per cent, inter- est on a contract to pay ten per cent. If so, the banks can charge no more ; and if they do, they forfeit their charters, they forfeit the whole interest on the debt, and they are liable to be wound up on complaint. 236 SPEECHES AND EEPOETS OF JOHN SHERMAN. That is not all. A severe provision was introduced into the banking law, if I remember aright, by which the debtor may at any time within two years sue for and recover the unlawful interest charged. It is said to be a dead letter. The reason is that no honorable man having made a fair contract will go and sue to recover back the money paid. It is like the case of a man who is addicted to gambling ; he will submit to his loss rather than appeal to the courts for redress. . That is not the fault of the law. If there is any fault about it, it is the fault of the people. But the Senator says the banks pay interest on deposits. Why, sir, at the last Congress the Committee on Finance reported here a bill to prohibit the payment of interest on deposits. My friend from Penn- sylvania [Mr. Cameron] and most of the Senators around him opposed it with great warmth, and it was defeated. Now we do not propose to put on this bill a proposition like that, which would bring about inevi- table defeat, although I agree with the Senator that the banks ought not to be allowed to pay interest on deposits. The Comptroller of the Currency has several times recommended to us to pass a law prohibit- ing the payment of interest on deposits, and the Committee on Finance is m favor of it, but the Senate is not. Would my honorable friend load down this bill with an amendment that has already been voted down by the Senate 1 Ton can not correct all these abuses and accom- plish all the ends you desire by a single measure. If the aim and ob- ject of this measure is a good one, if its tendencies are correct, then it ought to be adopted without regard to the multitude of other questions that may be thrust into this debate. I suppose it is not unreasonable for a committee of this body to ask that the order in which they present the various questions submitted to them shall be somewhat regarded. Il^ow, the Committee on Finance on all these difficult questions raised as to the condition of the currency, the condition of the banks, etc., have had some experience. Last year we reported a bill that we considered a very comprehensive one, because it embodied the views of the Committee on Finance on all the different ? questions in dispute. I beheve it was praised by my honorable friend rom Massachusetts as a comprehensive bill, and on the whole it re- ceived his approval. He gave it the weight of his support. But it was found when we came to debate the bill that Senatora here and there differed as to particular sections, and refused to vote for the en- tire bill because certain features of the bill disagreed with their opinions. The result was that it was impossible to get the concurrence of the ma- jority of the Senate on any bill, although everybody can see now that it would have been much better and much wiser to pass almost any proposition that was introduced. If ow, the Committee on Finance, after the most careful considera- tion of these various questions, intend to take them up separately and present them to the Senate in their order, keeping them, if possible, detached from each otlior. What is the first and most obvious and most necessary measure? Here is a measure for the equalization of cur- rency. The inequality of the distribution of circulation creates fierce and bitter sectional feeling, and has been complained of for yeaa-s. We THE OUEEENOY. 237 undertook to rectify that; but there was one fundamental principle wMch guided us, and that was that we would in no event increase the amount of paper money issued in this country. How, then, could this distribution take place ? We had various modes proposed to us, and finally we settled upon a plan to retire a form of indebtedness called the three per cent, certificates, which the Government was pre- pared to redeem, and we proposed to fill that vacuum by issuing cur- rency to the various Western and Southern States. Here was a simple proposition that we thought would meet with no practical objection. The Government of the United States had the means from siirplus revenue, according to information given to us by the Secretary of the - Treasury, to retire these three per cent, certificates. All classes of peo- ple except those who hold them desire to have them retired. They were in the way of specie payments. Until they were redeemed we could not move toward specie payments ; and therefore it was an ob- ject to get them out of the way ; and if in doing that we could fill up the vacuum in the South and the West so as in time to supply the sec- tional demand upon us-^a demand admitted on all hands to be founded in jnstice — we thought that was a simple proposition that would re- ceive the assent of every one. But it was claimed, on the other hand, that on the Pacific coast, after long experience, they could not get their people to take our pres- ent paper money. They therefore wanted some form of paper money to aid them in the ordinary operations of business. We could see no objection to banks being organized on the basis of the national banking law with a provision for the issue of coin notes. So in the same bill we provided another measure to reheve the Pacific coast, which tended also to equalize the distribution of banking circulation, because if the Pacific coast should not use the present paper circulation of the country, and we could supply the vacuum there by coin notes, then more was reserved for the South and West. These two simple propositions, which must commend themselves to the good sense of every Senator, were considered by themselves and reported. ISow, what is the condition of affairs ? After a long and wearisome discussion my honorable friend from Michigan endeavors to throw into this debate the funding bill'. So my friend from Massachusetts en- deavors to thrust in a veiy comprehensive proposition embracing a great variety of subjects. Why do I say they wish to thrust the fund- ing bill into this discussion ? For this simple reason : if we attempt to retire the greenbacks, we can retire them only by issuing new bonds. There is no surplus revenue with which we can pay them. We have enough, or probably shall have in the course of the next six months, to retire the three per cent, certificates ; but no one contends that we shall have enough to retire the greenbacks. My honorable friend frora Michiganproposes to retire $55,000,000 of greenbacks by issuing bonds. What kind of bonds shall they be ? Shall they bear four, five", or six per cent, interest ? Shall they be taxable or not? Thus_ every question involved in the funding bill is brought at once into this con- troversy upon a biU for the redistribution of bank circulation. It is manifest that, with the diversity of opinion that would at once 238 SPEECHES AND REPORTS OF JOHN SHERMAN. appear on hia next amendment to provide for a mode of retiring the greenbacks, we should embark upon a wide sea of debate, and we should have a proposition before us that had never been considered by a com- mittee. On the other hand, if the Senate will take this bill and make such amendments to it as they may deem proper, they have the assur- ance that in a short time a bill comprehensive in its character, so far as the funding of the public debt and of the greenbacks is concerned, wiU be reported, and they will have ample ground for debate. I ask Sena- tors, if possible, to keep that question of funding the public debt, both the greenbacks and the bonds, separate, so that they may consider that subject and let the Senate arrive at a conclusion on it alone. Then, in due time, it will be followed by other provisions in regard to all of the existing banks, old and new, and measures of revenue, tariff, and taxes. I appeal to Senators whether it is not wiser to keep these questions separate, to decide them one by one in the order of their coming rather than to mingle them into a hotch-potch and then finally lose them all. There is another proposition offered by the Senator from Indiana [Mr. Morton], and I wish to say what I have to say in regard to it now, so that I may not trespass on the time of the Senate further, as I am anxious to have a vote. He proposes to increase the amount from $45,000,000 to $52,000,000. That is inflation of the currency pure and simple to the extent of $7,000,000. I will not vote for any propo- sition that will inflate the currency. We must get back to specie pay- ments, and yet the proposition of my friend from Indiana, upon a false theory I think, proposes to retire $45,000,000 of one kind of paper currency and to issue $52,000,000 of another kind. This is inflation to the amount of $7,000,000. It is true it is not one of those terrible calamities that will be so very injurious ; but it does inflate the currency. My honorable friend makes his proposition upon what I consider a delusive idea ; that is, he says the retirement of $45,000,000 of three per cent, certificates would contract the currency as much as the issue of $52,000,000 of bank circulation would expand it ; that on account of the reserves which these banks would be com- pelled to hold in their vaults the retirement of $45,000,000 of three per cent, certificates is fully equivalent to the issue of $52,000,000 of bank circulation. The delusion of that idea is proved by this : when a bank is organ- ized there is a circulation springing out of the very organization of the bank which more than counteracts all the amount of the reserve. My friend from Pennsylvania [Mr. Cameron], who is a banker, knows that the oi-ganization of a bank in any community draws from the pockets of the people, in the form of deposits, idle capital which may be idle but for a few days, which is usually, on the average, equal to the amount of capital pf the bank. These deposits in the bank are made the basis of circulation, not, it is true, of paper money, but of drafts, loans, certificates of deposit, and various forms of circulation ; so that the establishment of banks to the amount of $40,000,000, in my judg- ment, will create more circulation than the retirement of $45,000,000 of three per cent, certificates. The ai-gument would be rather the other way. FUNDING BILL. 239 I have no doubt that if banks are established in the South and West with circulation to the amount of $45,000,000, the actual increase of circulation, that which transacts business and pays debts, will be much larger than $45,000,000. By absorbing the little deposits of merchants and business men, and even of the freedmen of the South, they will largely increase the currency and give facilities for transacting business. But it is a delusion, as every practical banker must know, to say that $46,000,000 of three per cent, certificates is only equivalent to $52,000,000 of new banking circulation. The whole theory of the honorable Senator from Indiana is based on the idea that the deposits of a bank will not exceed its reserve. It would be a very poor bank, indeed, the deposits in jvhich were not three or four times the amount of the reserve. The idea of banks being organized in a community where the deposits, which are circula- tion, do not largely exceed the reserve, is a delusion. Therefore I say we ought to confine the operation of this bill to the identical sum that we propose to retire and cancel ; and when we pay off $45,000,000 of indebtedness, which we are now prepared to pay, and which ought to be got out of the road in order to prepare for specie payments, let us also provide for the other difiiculty in the South and West by giving them the same amount, and not a dollar more, of cur- rency in the form of bank notes, and in that way confine our measure to its true purpose, the equalization of the circulation of the country, and the provision of temporary facilities for the Pacific coast in the form of coin notes. Mr. President, I am sorry that I have occupied so much time ; but I again express the hope that this bill, which certainly in its present form is a simple one, confined to the questions I have stated, may be brought to a vote to-night, and thus give way for other important bills which are now pressing upon the attention of Congress. FUNDING BILL. IN TEE SENATE, FEBRUARY S8, 1870. The Senate having under consideration tlie bill to authorize the refunding and consolidation of the national debt, to extend banking facilities, and to establish specie payments, Mr. Sherman said : Me. President : I do not deem it necessary, in opening this de- bate, to invoke the attention of the Senate to the importance of the subject embraced in this bill. It is unnecessary to discuss the public policy of reducing the interest of the national debt and returning to specie payments. These subjects I have had occasion frequently to discuss in the Senate, and I could add nothing to what has been already said. The question is whether the public debt is in such a condition as to justify us in undertaking the task of reducing the interest upon it, and whether our financial condition is such as to enable us to take 240 SPEECHES AND KEPORTS OF JOHN SHERMAN. another step toward specie payments. These questions, and the practi- cal one whether this bill will tend to accomplish the object proposed, are the only questions which I mean to discuss at this stage oi the debate. The first six sections of the bill that has been read prescribe the form of bonds into which it is proposed to fund the entire debt of the United States, and the necessary agencies by which they may be dis- posed of. The seventh section provides for the reduction and the ulti- mate payment of the public debt, not only of the old debt, but of the new one created under this act. The remaining sections of the bill, three in number, contain important changes in our banking laws, by which the national banks are required to aid in funding the public debt, and by which the banking system will become free and specie pay- ments will be resumed. In order to understand the effect of this bill, it is necessary to recall the history of the public debt and the precise condition of the existing laws ; and I shall perhaps weary the patience of the Senate by a recital of necessary facts in order to present the question fairly for this debate. Under the loan laws of July 17 and August 5, 1861, gold was bor- rowed in the same mode and on the same principles that had been usual in the loans of the United States from the time of the formation of the Constitution to that time. Bonds running twenty years, principal and interest payable in gold, were sold in the money markets of the world for what they would bring. In addition to such bonds there were issued Treasury notes bearing seven and three tenths per cent, interest, and also demand notes not bearing interest, payable in coin and receivable for all classes of public dues. The whole were on a specie basis, and the discount on the bonds sold represented the depreciation of the pub- lie credit. After the sudden suspension of specie payments, however, in the fall of 1861, at a time when the Government was raising from two to three hundred thousand men, when its daily wants were from one to two million dollars, when the people for the first time began to see that they were involved in a great war that would task the utmost resources of the country, when specie had disappeared from circulation, the Congresfe of the United States was compelled to adopt a new finan- cial policy. After a long and memorable debate of over two months in both Houses of Congress, the act of February 25, 1862, was adopted. That was a revolutionary act. It was a departure from every principle of the financial policy of this Government from its foundation. It over- threw not only the mode of borrowing money, but the character of our {)ublic securities, and was the beginning of a new financial system un- ike anything that had been ventured upon by any people in the world before. This new policy was adopted under the pressure of the severest necessities, and was intended to meet a state of affuirs never foreseen by the framers of the Constitution. Now, sir, it is important to understand the principles of this act; for it was the foundation of all the financial measures adopted during the war. It was upon the basis of this act, enlarged and modified from time to time, that we were enal)lod to borrow $3,000,000,000 in three years, and to Y>nt down the most formidable rebellion in modern his- FUNDING BILL. 241 tory. This act was based upon three distinct provisions or fundamental conditions. First, extraordinary power was conferred upon the Secretary of the Treasury to borrow money in almost any form, at home or abroad, practically without limitation as to amount, or with limits repeatedly enlarged. Every form of security which the ingenuity of man could devise was provided for by this act or the acts amending it. Under these acts bonds were issued payable in twenty years, Treasury notes were issued, certificates of indebtedness, compound-interest notes, and other forms of indebtedness, with varying rates of interest. There were, however, distinct limitations upon the nature and character of these loans. It was stipulated, first, that more than six per cent, interest in gold should not be paid on the bonds issued, nor more than seven and three tenths interest in currency on the notes is- sued ; and second, that all the loans should be short loans, redeemable within a short period of time at the pleasure of the United States. Thus the gold bonds were redeemable after five years, the Treasury notes after three years, and all the securities were within the power of the United States to redeem at the end of five years at furthest. And third, no securities were to be sold at less than par. Their unavoidable depreciation was measured, not by the rate of their discount, but by the. depreciation of the currency. We held our bonds at par in paper money, though at times they were worth only forty per cent, of gold. The second leading feature of the act of February 25, 1862, was the pledge of our customs revenue, collected in gold, for the payment of the interest, and not less than one per cent, annually of the prin- cipal of the public debt. The third and most important provision of that act was the clause making a legal-tender currency of United States notes, convertible at the pleasure of the holder into bonds bearing gold interest. Upon these three fundamental conditions the act of February 25, 1862, and all the subsequent acts were founded. They provided f OK short loans, payment of interest in coin, and legal tenders. Now, Mr. President, it may be proper to state the reasons for this policy. "We recognized the existence of a great pressing necessity that would tend to depreciate the public credit ; and we took care, there- fore, not to make loans for a long period, so as not to bind the future to the payment of such usurious rates as we were then compelled to pay. "We provided for gold interest and gold revenue, to avoid the ex- treme inflations of an irredeemable currency. "We wished to rest our paper fabric on a coin basis, and to keep constantly in view ultimate specie payments. I believe that but for that provision in the loan act of February 25, 1862, in 1864 our financial system would have been utterly overthrown. There was nothing to anchor it to the earth ex- cept the collection of duties in coin and the payment of the interest on our bonds in coin. If the interest on our bonds had not been payable in coin during the war, it is probable that in the terrible depreciation of 1864 our paper money would have disappeared, and the people would have re- sorted again to barter in gold, in disregard of our legal-tender curren- 16 242 SPEEOI-IES AND REPORTS OF JOHN SHERMAN. cy. As it wafl, the depreciation at one time was such that $286 of our paper money was required to purchase $100 in coin. This simple pro- vision for the collection of duties on imports in gold and the payment of interest in coin was the only conservative security of our paper sys- tem. Without that, the paper balloon might have exploded, as it did in the revolutionary war in the time of our fathers, as it did in the French revolution by the issue of assignats and mandats, and as it did • in the Southern Oonfederacy, where it ended in the entire destruction of the public credit of the Confederacy, at one time higher in the money market of Great Britain than our own. But, sir, the most important and the most revolutionary principle of the act of February 25, 1862, was the legal-tender clause. This was a measure of imperious and pressing necessity. I can recall very well the debates in the Senate and in the House of Representatives upon the legal-tender clause. "We were then standing in the face of a deficit of some $70,000,000 of unpaid requisitions to our soldiers. Creditors in all parts of the country, among them the most powerful corporations of this country, had refused our demand notes, then very slightly depreciated. "We were under the necessity of raising two or three million dollars per day. We were then organizing armies un- heard of before. "We stood also in the presence of defeat, constant and imminent, which fell upon our armies in all parts of the country. It was before daylight was shed upon any part of our mihtary opera-" tions. "We adopted the legal-tender clause then as an absolute expedi- ent. Eemembering the debate, I know with what slow steps the majority of the Senate came to the necessity of adopting legal tenders. A majority of the Committee on Finance, as then organized, was op- posed to the le^al-tender clause, the Committee standing four against to three for. However, the bill was reported without striking it out, and then a proposition was made to strike out the legal-tender clause. After a long debate this motion was voted down by a very small vote indeed, and thus the legal-tender clause was retained in the bill and finally passed. If the legal-tender clause had been stricken out, wtat would have been the result God only knows. At that time Mr. Chase was Secretary of the Treasury. I remem- ber the constant, urgent, and repeated requests made by this distin- guished citizen, who was certainly one of the ablest financial ministers that any country ever enjoyed in time of trouble, upon this very qiies- tion of the legal-tender clause, " in season and out of season." I find, upon referring to a book recently published by Mr. Spalding, then a member of the House of Eepresentatives, that when the bill was pend- ing on the 5th of February, 1862, Mr. Chase wrote this letter to liim in reference to the legal-tender clause : " Such mon as Natlianiol Thayer of Boston, Alexander Dnnoan of Duncan, Sher- man & Oo., Shepard Knapp, and John D. Wolf, tod numerous able and leading financial men, have told me witliin two days that you were perfectly right, and they are deeply anxious that the legal-tender clause should stand in the bill. They say that the country is lost without it." Tbhasbet Dbpabtment, Feh-uary 5, 1862. Mr Dbab Sib : I make the above extract from a letter received from the Colleotoi FUNDING BILL. 243 of New York this morning. It is very important the bill should go through to-day, and through the Senate this week. The public exigencies do not admit of delay. Yours truly, S. P. CHASE. Hon. E. G. Spalding, Rouse of Eepresentatwes. Still earlier, on the 3d of February, 1862, there is this letter, sent by Mr. Chase to a member of the House of Bepresentatives ; and these are private letters : My Dbae Sie: Mr. Seward said to me on yesterday that you observed to him that my hesitation in coming up to the legal-tender proposition embarrassed you. I am very sorry to observe it, for my anxious wish is to support you in all respects. It is true that I came with reluctance to the conclusion that the legal-tender clause is a necessity, but I came to it decidedly. I support it earnestly. I do not hesitate when I have made up my mind, however much regret I might feel over the neces- sity of the conclusion to which I have come. Then he goes on in regard to the details of the bill. But, sir, that is not all. In the debate on the legal-tender clause in the Senate I supported it warmly and earnestly ; and in opening my remarks on that occasion I referred to the Secretary of the Treasury, and the words uttered by me then were fresh from personal and official interviews with him. I said, speaking of the necessity of the measure : In the first place, I will say, every organ of financial opinion — if that is a correct expression — in this country agrees that there is such a necessity, in case we authorize the issue of demand notes. You commence with the Secretary of the Treasury, who has given this subject the most ample consideration. He declares not only in his official communications here, but in his private intercourse with the members of the Committee, that this clause is indispensably necessary to the security and negotia- bility of these demand notes. We all know from his antecedents, from his peculiar opinions, that he would be probably the last man among the leading politicians of our country to yield to the necessity of substituting paper money for coin. He has examined this question in all its length and breadth. He is in a position where he feels the necessity. He is a statesman of admitted ability, and distinguished in his high position. He informs us that without this clause to attempt to circulate as money the proposed amount of demand notes of the United States will prove a fatal experiment. '"' And then I went on to speak at some length as to the necessity of the legal-tender clause, and. as to the concurring opinions of public men and private citizens throughout the country on that point. Finally, by the close vote I have mentioned, the clause was carried. I repeat and read these declarations to show that^ at the time the legal-tender clause was adopted, it was adopted as a pressing military necessity, to which we were compelled to resort in order to save our country in the most terrible of exigencies. And, sir, I never have seen the day from that hour to this when I regretted yielding to that necessity, and, by that extraordinary proceeding, mortgaging to the cause in which we were engaged all the property of our people and all the existing debts within the United States. There has since been a question whether the legal-tender clause applied to preexisting debts ; but there can be no doubt of the intention of Congress, because there were no other debts to which it could apply. Unless it had been made to apply to preexisting debts, it would have utterly failed of its object ; and the debate shows that the reason why it was pressed was because certain corporations and leading citizens 244 SPEECHES AND REPORTS OF JOHN SHERMAN. were then refusing to take in payment, of their debts the demand notes of the United States, receivable even for customs dues, and we felt that it was necessary by a legal-tender clause to mortgage all the credits of the United States, in order to secure the free and undisputed circulation of our notes. When a proposal was made to make the legal-tender clause applicable only to subsequent debts, it was voted down by an almost unanimous vote and without a division. Sir, the legal-tender clause was only useful as a means of compelling the creditors to the extent of the depreciation to suffer the loss. It was only done as a measure of war, and it ought and could only have been resorted to in dire necessity. Mr. President, it is true that the Supreme Court has this winter decided that clause to be unconstitutional. I do not believe it uncon- stitutional. I believe that this Congress or any Congress representing the people of the United States should, under similar circumstances, adopt the same policy; and it is very strange indeed that the able Judge who pronounced the opinion concurred as Secretary of the Treasury in passing the law, and uttered his opinion in its favor in the strong language I nave read you. Sir, it is not for the Supreme Court of the United States to pass upon the necessity of any measure. I have the decision in the case of Hepburn vs. Griswold before ine, and find that the whole basis of the decision is, that this clause was not a necessary or appropriate means to carry out an express grant of power. Why, sir, if the Congress of the United States has not the power to pass upon thfe necessary means to carry out its plainly granted powers, who has ? Are not we under oath, under the same impressive obliga- tions that rest upon the Supreme Court? I do not believe in the theory of this decision. I believe that when this legal-tender clause was adopted we were in such a condition of aiiairs as justified it, and that Congress would have been derelict in its duty if it had failed to exercise that power at that time. Such was the opinion of almost every business man in private life, and without it we should have been driven to insolvency before victory could lend us more paper and credit. It was only the vitalizing power given to the notes of the United States, by making them the basis of our financial system, and the right to present them in payment of every debt or obligation, that fave us ability to borrow money during the dark days of the wai-. 'herefore, I do not, for one, like to see another department of the Government endanger this power, which, if we are again involved in a war under similar circumstances, ought to be and M'ill be resorted to by Congress. But it must be remembered tliat this clause was justified only by the exigencies of war. It was not intended as a measure of peace. The legal tenders were only the instniments of battle ; they were musketry and cannon ; and when peace camo, they should have been rapidly retired. There was another provision incorporated in the act of February 25, 18(!2, that gave to the legal-tender notes their chief value. That was the right to fund them at any time into a bond of the United States bearing interest in gold ; and this was upon the principle that FUNDING BILL. 246 while we could not redeem these notes in coin, we would redeem them in the very best thing we could offer — our bonded debt, secured by a pledge of all the public revenue. This right to fund was afterward, as I will show, repealed ; and the great error of our financial legislation was that this right was not promptly restored the moment the war was over, and then we would have had what was provided by the act of February 25, 1862, a self-adjusting currency, always redeemable in bonds, until bonds were at par in gold. That at least would have been honest ; that at least would have made good the obligations printed upon the back of those notes when we issued them and compelled all the people of the United States to take them in the payment of privtite debts. Mr. President, some important changes were made in the act of February 25, 1862, to which it is necessary for me now to refer in order to present the question clearly. By the original act the amount of legal tenders was hmited to $150,000,000. By the act of July 11, 1862, the limit was enlarged to $300,000^000, and $150,000,000 more legal tenders of the same character as under the act of February 25, 1862, were issued. By the act of March 3, 1863, there was a still greater enlargement of the legal-tender notes ; $150,000,000 more were authorized, $50,000,000 of which, however, were to be kept for a speci- fic purpose, to pay maturing obligations, making an aggregate of $450,- 000,000 of legal-tender notes authorized up to that time. Then, by the act of June 30, 1864, when the paper money of the country had become alarmingly redundant and was flooding all channels of business, the United States entered into a solemn pledge, which I will now read : Nor shall the total amount of United States notes issued or to he issued ever exceed $400,000,000, and such additional sum, not exceeding $50,000,000, as may he temporarily required for the redemption of temporary loan; nor shall any Treasury note hearing interest, issued under this act, he a legal tender in payment or redemption of any notes issued hy any hank, hanking association, or hanker, calculated or intended to circulate as money. But there was another change, a much more important modificar tion, made of the currency provided by the original act. By the act of March 3, 1863, the right to convert into bonds was taken away by this clause : And the holders of United States notes issued under and hy virtue of said acts shall present the same for the purpose of exchanging the same for honds, as therein provided, on or hefore the 1st day of July, 1863, and thereafter the right so to ex- change the same shall cease and determine. At the date of this act $300,000,000 of United States notes were outstanding, with the distinct right printed on the face of them that they might be converted into bond? bearing six per cent, interest in gold. Why was this right taken away from them ? Was it because we did not wish them converted into bonds ? On the contrary, this provision was adopted to induce their conversion. All our bonds, even six per cent, gold bonds, were then below the par of United States notes ; and in order to aid and expedite the conversion of the notes into bonds, we depreciated the notes. It is a grave question whether this measure was not a breach of public faith. It was clearly so, unless we 246 SPEECHES AND REPORTS OF JOHN SHERMAN. regard it as simply a limitation of the time within which the right to convert should be exercised. It was inserted in the Senate with grave doubts, and the error was, that it was not so framed as to be a mere tem- porary suspension of a right, and not a permanent denial ; a stay law, and not an absolute repudiation under pretense of a short act of limitation. But although the provision was adopted, and accomplished the ob- ject designed, there never was an hour up to the close of the war when these notes were not received at par for the bonds then in the market of the United States. This clause was deemed to be necJessary in order to depreciate the notes and draw them back into the Treasury ; but until after the war was over, practically they were received at par in payment of the five-twenty, ten-forty, and seven-thirty loans, and for every form of indebtedness contracted during the war. I have thus stated our general financial history during the war. I will not go into details. lonly wish to bring these matters, that per- haps have passed from the attention of Senators, back to their recol- lection. After all, our financial operations during the war were a wonderful success. We borrowed from our own people a larger sum of money than ever was borrowed in the world before in the same length of time. We levied larger taxes than were ever collected from any people before. We submitted willingly to sacrifices without a par- allel in history. Taking them altogether, when we come to review our financial measures, I must say that their success is as wonderful as were our military operations. ' Providence seems to have been on our side. After the legal-tender clause was passed we never needed money to pay our soldiers that was not forthcoming. No soldier ever begged for his pay when it was justly due to him after these measures had been matured and adopted, and the enormous sum of $3,500,000,000 was expended by the iJnited States in a war of four years ; and at the end of the war the country was stronger, greater, and more powerful in physical resources and in moneyed means than ever before. The contribution by foreign nations to our population, and the enormous wealth accumulated by the activity given to all business operations during the war, more than repaired the immense sacrifices involved in the operations of the war. Thus we may safely say that our financial operations during that time were a success. The organization of the national banks, although subsidiary, yet performed a useful function in our financial operations. They ab- sorbed the State-bank paper, which at the beginning of the war was a dangerous currency of local circulation, excluding the national cur- rency. They furnished a market for our bonds, and now hold three hundred and fortj^-odd million dollars of Government bonds. They were useful financial agents in the negotiation of loans, and rendered a vast amount of service during the war in collecting our revenues and in selling our bonds. They are to be the ultimate means of re- suming specie payments. By the agency of the banking system alone we can, without retiring our entire amount of greenbacks, come back to specie payments. The national banks were merely subsidiary to these great measures. The financial policy of the war was contained in the act of Febraary 25, 1862, and the acts amendatory thereof. FUNDING BILL. 2iY Now, Mr. President, there is no doubt that during and since the war we made some errors, and were guilty of some departures from true financial principles. I say this in all kindness, because I do not mean to evade my share of the responsibility ; and I now wish to point out some of those errors. In the fall of 1864 a security of new character was issued that I think was not authorized by law. I refer to the seven-thirty bonds, which were issued running three years, with the right on the part of, the holder at the end of three years to convert them into five-twenty bonds, payable, principal and interest, in gold. At the time I thought, and I still think, that by a fair construction of the law as it then stood there was no power in the Secretaiy of the Treasury to give the hold- ers of those seven-thirties the right to fund them into five-twenty bonds. It was a departure from the financial policy of the Govern- ment to provide only for short loans. The result was, at the close of the war, to continue a loan bearing six per cent, in gold for a longer period than was authorized by law. By referring to the act of June 30, 1864, under which this loan was made, you will see that the option was given to the Secretary of the Treasury to issue either five-twenty bonds or seven-thirty Treasury notes. Either of those securities might be issued at his option, but mere is no authority in the law of June 30, 1864, allowing their exchange by holders of the notes. The amount of notes issued in the fall of 1864 was $234,000,000. The aggregate amount of gold bonds outstanding on the 1st of July, 1864, was only $700,780,250 ; all the rest of our indebtedness at that time was in currency securities. The next error which affected our financial operations, and which affects them now, is the error made after the war was over by the Secretary of the Treasury, of continuing this form of oppressive se- curities. After the war was over, and after the last rebel had laid down his arms, there were issued about six hundred million dollars of seven-thirty notes, convertible at the pleasure of the holder into five- twenty bonds. There is now no doubt that if immediately after the war was over a loan bearing a smaller rate of interest payable in gold — a five per cent, ten-forty bond, for instance — ^had been put on the market, all the floating debt of the United States might have been con- verted into it. On the 1st of March, 1865, when the war was practi- cally at an end, the amount of gold-bearing bonds did not much exceed $1,000,000,000, and all the rest of our indebtedness was in currency securities ; but by this mistaken action the currency securities were converted into a six per cent, five-twenty bond, and the period of pay- ment was postponed eight years by allowing their conversion at the end of three years. But, Mr. President, Congress itself was guilty of some errors, and one or two very great omissions in financial legislation, after the war was over. The most unfortunate one was the act of April 12, 1866. By this act Congress authorized the Secretary of the Treasury to fund all the fioating indebtedness of the United States, the compound-inter- est notes, the five per cent, notes, the temporary loan certificates, and •all the then floating debt, into six per cent, gold bonds, or into any 2i8 SPEEOIIES AND REPOETB OF JOHN SHERMAN. form of bond authorized by previous acts, which covered, as a matter of course, the six per cent, five-twenty bonds. Thus by a general sweeping provision contained in this act we legal- ized and authorized the conversion of the whole currency debt, except United States notes, into five-twenty bonds, thus swelling largely the volume of five-twenties. Whatever opinion may have been entertained as to the state of our finances in the year 1865, there can be no doubt that on the 12th of April, 1866, it was not wise or politic to fund the debt into a six per cent. bond. The effect of this legislation was at once to sever the bond from the note. All forms of indebtedness except the notes were allowed to be funded into bonds. This at once checked the appreciation of the notes. Gold had greatly lowered in price, till in April, 1866, when this act was paesed, it was only worth twenty-five and one half per cent, premium ; but from the passage of this act it immediately rose, and in July averaged fifty per cent. For years afterward gold never reached the minimimi of twenty-five per cent., but advanced, fluctuating backward and forward. Paper money was then entirely detached from the rest of the debt of the United States, and became of less market value than any other form of our securities. During the past year, under a different policy, the currency has reached much nearer the par of gold than before. For three years after the passage of the act of April 12, 1866, gold, or rather our paper money, was subject to daily fluctuations and derangements, the inevi- table effect of its passage. This act and the failure of Congress to pro- vide any mode for redeeming or retiring the greenbacks, and afterward the repeal of even the limited authority granted to the Secretary of the Treasury to retire greenbacks, undoubtedly kept our notes depreciated from day to day, fluctuating in value. Mr. President, another great error which I think we must all admit Congress has been guilty of is the long delay in passing a biQ to pro- vide for the funding of the public debt. There has been no time during the past three years when large masses of the existing debt could not have been funded into a flve per cent, bond, and the actual saving by this operation for several years would have been very large indeed. But, sir, it was one of the misfortunes of the administration of Mr. Johnson that, when he abandoned the Eepublican party and joined our adversaries, he created such a state of feeling between the executive and legislative branches of the Government that it was im- possible to secure the public attention or the attention of Congress to important financial matters. The first funding bill was introduced in the Senate in Apiil, 1866. It proposed to fund the debt in a five per cent, ten-forty bond. It was debated here at considerable length, and was practically defeated by amendments. The second funding bill was introduced in December, 1867. It provided for a domestic loan at five per cent., and a foreign loan at four and a half per cent. It ])rovided for funding United States notes and for a sinking fund. This was debated and somewhat mutilated in the Senate, but passed the Senate iu an amended shape, passed the FUNDING BILL. 249 House of Eepresentatives, and was finally defeated by the pocket veto of President Johnson. The history of the funding bill of the last session, which proposed a ten-forty loan, is sufiiciently known, and I need not refer to it. It is sufficient to say that at the close of an old Administration, before the new Administration came into power, there was so great a diversity of opinion, among the friends of the bill, that it was impossible to agree on anything. The time now is more favorable. The executive and legislative branches of the Government are in harmony. There are no political objections to trusting the Secretary of the Treasury with sufficient power. No doubt exists now as to the payment of our bonds in gold. Whatever doubt there was has been removed by the " act to strengthen the public credit," passed on the 18th of March, 1869. The difference between United States notes and coin is now redxiced to from fifteen to twenty per cent., fluctuating slightly from day to day. Gold is lower now than it has been at any time since ^the close of the war. The dif- ference between our bonds and coin is now very small. To-day, while I speak, the bonds of 1881 are above, the five-twenty bonds are very near, and the ten-forty bonds are not more than four per cent, below, par in gold ; so that there can scarcely be a doubt that under a favor- able state of the money market the existing bonds may be paid off with the proceeds of bonds bearing a lower rate of interest. Again, sir, more of the debt is now redeemable. During the cur- rent year over eleven hundred million dollars of the public debt, more than half of that which bears coin interest, is redeemable at the plea- sure of the United States. It is within the power of the Secretary of the Treasury to pay them off at par in gold, if he can sell at par an- other bond bearing a lower rate of interest. Under these favorable circumstances the Committee on Finance had before them several plans. They had the several bills reported from that Committee previously. They had the plan submitted by the Sen- ator from Massachusetts [Mr. Sumner], a carefully considered plan, looking to the rapid resumption of specie payments. They had also a plan submitted by the Secretary of the Treasury, and were aided by consultation with him and by such information from time to time as he could give them, and the result of the whole, after the most careful analysis of these various propositions, and after patient consideration of all the objections made, is the bill that has been read at the table of the Secretary. Mr. President, I am here bound to say at the outset that it does not meet my views in all particulars. I could, as every Senator who hears me could, propose. various amendments, and support them, I think, with plausible reasons ; but in a measure of this kind, where there is a great diversity of opinion, all of us must yield somewhat. This bill substan- tially meets my views. It is reported by the unanimous vote of the Committee on Finance, with only one exception, and meets the ap- proval of the Secretary of the Treasury. It is only necessary for me now briefly to look at its leading provisions. The first point is ia regard to the duration of the bonds : how long 250 SPEECHES AND REPORTS OF JOHN SHERMAN. sliall they run ? We have provided for three classes of bonds, all pay- able within forty years and redeemable within ten, fifteen, and twenty years respectively. We had to look at the established policy of our Government never to issue a veiy long bond. Our Government has reversed the financial policy of European governments, and especially of the Government of Great Britain. In England securities are in the form of annuities, where the amount of interest is specified, and no time is fixed for the payment of the principal. Ever since the foun- dation of our Government under the lead of Alexander Hamilton we have followed a different policy, looking always to the payment of the principal of the bond within the generation that created the debt. This is the established policy of our country, and I trust it will never be departed from. It may be that a bond running an indefinite period of time, a per- petual annuity, might bear a higher price in the money markets of the world than a bond payable at a fixed time ; and yet it seems to me it is more important to reserve the right to pay the principal without paying a premium than it is to avail ourselves of a lower rate of interest on a bond interminable in time. We have several times paid off our na- tional debt. We paid off the debt of the Revolution ; we paid off the debt of the war of 1812. We have always paid our debts before we agreed to pay them ; and, whenever we entered the money markets of the world to buy our bonds, we were always compelled to pay a large premium. I have before me a table showing the amount of premium we have paid for debts that have been redeemed from time to time. Take the loan of 1842. We desired to redeem it before it became due, and we paid fourteen and fifty-four hundredths per cent, premium. On the bonds of 1847 we paid eighteen and eighty-five hundredths per cent, premium, and they only ran a few years ; but money was lying idle in the Treasury, and it was deemed best by those having charge of our finances to pay them off, even at this high rate. The loan of 1S48 was paid off at twenty per cent, premium. The loan of 1850, called the Texas indemnity, was paid off at a premium of nineteen and nine- ty-five hundredths per cent. So with other loans paid off at different times at a premium of from fourteen to twenty per cent. Many of the bonds I speak of, which were redeemed at this high premium, were sold originally below par. I have shown, therefore, that it is important to us to reserve the right to redeem these bonds within a limited period of time, so that we may not in the future be compelled to pay high rates of premium. The next question, on which there was a great deal of practical difficulty and great diversity of opinion, was the rate of interest. As a matter of course, we desire to have these bonds bear as low a rate of interest as is possible, but not to put them so low as to prevent their ne- gotiation ; and here an erroneous opinion prevails from a mistake of the facts as to the rate of interest paid by other governments. We ai-e constantly told that Great Britain pays but three per cent, interest, and that her three per cents are worth eighty-five cents on the dollar. So they are ; but what did Great Britain get for those three per cents ? The average rate of depreciation when the three per cents were sold FUNDING BILL. 251 was some thirty or forty per cent. ; and, if the interest was now com- puted upon the amount received by Great Britain for these bonds, the rate of interest would be found to be between five and six per cent. So with other nations. The rate of interest now paid by European powers is, on the aver- age, about five per cent. I have tables here, and I might go into elab- orate explanations of the various loans now in the money markets of the world ; but it is sufficient to say that some of the strongest govern- ments in the world are now selling their five per cent, bonds at a dis- count. We by this bill limit the Secretary of the Treasury to selling these bonds at par ; he must get dollar for dollar in gold. All other governments in the world, in negotiating bonds, sell their bonds at a fixed limit of discount. Many of the English three per cents were sold as low as 66, and premiums were given besides in the nature of gratuities, lottery tickets, exchequer bills, and in various other forms ; but we seU our bonds at par in gold, and therefore can not undertake to fix the rate of interest so low as gentlemen think we should. It is said we ought to borrow money at four per cent. I wish we could ; but we know that practically it would be unavailing, futile, to enter the markets of the world in competition with all the enterprises of our time, attempting to borrow money at any such rate of interest. Why, sir, altnough money has largely increased in quantity of late, although the gold of the world is perhaps double or treble what it was only a few years ago, the rate of interest has been constantly advanc- ing. It is because modem nations are engaged in vast enterprises, creating more demands for capital. The railroads, telegraphs, and steam- boats of this land of ours now absorb more capital than the business of the whole country did in 1820, the railroads alone absorbing over sixteen hundred million dollars. There are demands for money in this day and generation that our forefathers never conceived of. Time and space have been annihilated. All these circumstances tend to ad- vance the rate of interest. When a merchant can send to Calcutta or to China and within a few days receive goods, he can afford to pay on his enterprises or his business a higher rate of interest than when he had to wait months for his orders to be executed. The railroads of the country are now selling their seven per cent, bonds payable in gold — among the best securities in the country — at a discount. We must not forget these facts when we undertake to fix the rate of interest on our public securities. The only fear I have as to the success of this measure is on account of the rate of interest fixed. I should be very glad indeed to see our whole debt funded at five per cent. The Secretary of the Treasury was of the opinion that he could negotiate bonds bearing a less rate of interest for a portion of the pub- lie debt ; but he is satisfied now that he can not negotiate a loan at less rates than those fixed in the bill. Any one who examines this question in the light of experience, in the light of modern facts, must be satis- fied that a reduction of the rate of interest proposed in this bill is prac- tically to defeat it, and we would better defeat it at once rather than undertake so futile a task. The purpose for which these bonds are negotiated is coextensive 252 SPEECHES AND REPORTS OF JOHN SHEKMAiS. with the whole debt of the United States. Although the amount is fixed at $1,200,000,000, yet there is authority to issue four per cent, bonds to an amount equal to the whole amount of the public debt, with no limitation whatever, except that the pubUc debt shall not be increased. The proposition of the Senator from Massachusetts con- iined the operation of his bill to the first five-twenty bonds. But those five-twenty bonds have no claim upon us stronger than any other five- twenty bonds. It is true that thev were the first issued, but they are no more burdensome upon us. A^e pay upon them six per cent, inter- est, and so do we upon the others. There is therefore no necessity, no object in discriminating in favor of these bonds, except to give the holders of them a monopoly of the new five per cent, bonds. This we did not think was wise, and hence we have proposed to put them all on the same footing. We allow the tlnited States notes to be converted into four per cent, bonds ; and here is a question that no doubt will give rise to much contrariety of opinion. My own opinion would be that in jus- tice and equity the IJnited States notes ought to be converted into any of these bonds. Why ? Because the notes are a debt of the highest obligation. They are due, they are payable, and no discrimination ought to b3 made against them. I can give no reason why the holder of a note should not have just as much for his note as the holder of a bond for his bond. But tlie result of such a provision would be rapid- ly to contract the currency, to withdraw the notes as a circulating me- dium, to derange business, to disorder the relations between debtor and creditor. Therefore, to avoid any contraction of that kind, we have provided that the notes may be funded into four per cent, bonds, and may be paid out again by the Secretary of the Treasury in the ordi- nary operations of the Government. To avoid even a possible but not probable undue and hasty contraction of the currency, we authorize him only to allow this conversion when in his judgment the public interest may be promoted by it. I have no doubt that it would be wiser to make it arbitrary, and give to the holder of the note the right at any time to demand a bond ; but we have in that respect yielded to the Secretary's desire, that he may not be embarrassed by notes accu- mulating in the Treasury, or by any question or fear of the contraction of the currency. Pacific Railroad bonds are excluded from the operation of this bill simply because they are not the bonds of the United States in one sense. We guarantee them, but we have no right to redeem them until the railroad company itself is a defaulter in paying not only the interest, but the principal of the bonds. They are left to stand on the basis of existing laws. We have no right to fund them, nor can they be embraced in this funding scheme. The bonds of 1881 and the ten-forty bonds may be converted into these bonds at the discretion of the Secretary of the Treasury. As a matter of course, it will be for the interest of the TTnited States to convert tliem. It is not likely that they will bo fiinded into these new securities, but tlicy will probably bo paid off by the operations of the sinking fund when they mature. The only limitation upon the amount FUNDING BILL. 253 authorized in this bill is the present debt of the United States. That can not in any event be exceeded. Mr, President, there is another question of great difficulty, the question of taxation. The exemption of these bonds from State taxa- tion is not a legislative question. If there was no provision in this bin about State taxation, they would not be taxable by the States, be- cause by the Constitution of the United States itself, according to the decisions of the Supreme Court in many cases, no State can tax a Government security. This has been settled from 1819 down to this time by the concurrence of every judge who has sat upon the Supreme bench, in a series of decisions all speaking to the same effect, that under no possible circumstances can a State levy any tax upon a secu- rity of the Government of the United States. Why? Simply be- cause the power to borrow money is necessary to our national exist- ence, and if a State could tax the power of the United States to bor- row money, it might just as well tax the soldiers of our army, our funs, and our gunpowder. It is a principle of constitutional law that no tate can tax an agency of the Government necessary for its existence. I know that in modern times, and within the last three or four years, demagogues have endeavored to make capital out of the exemp- tion of our bonds from State taxation. But the fact is that they have always been so exempt, from the foundation of the Government to this hour. E"o State has ever bean allowed to tax a Government se- curity ; and yet there was never any provision in any loan law prior to the war exempting them. They are exempted from the nature of things ; and the first provision expressly exempting them was put into the act of 1862 merely as a notice, and not as the enunciation of a new principle. There is, therefore, no question upon the ex- emption of the bonds from State taxation. Whether they should be exempt from national taxes is a much more difficult question. In equity there is no reason why the holder of a bond, enjoying in this country the interest derived from it, should not pay the income tax of the United States ; and the only question was whether we could make more for the United States by discounting in advance this right to tax the income than we could by reserving the power to tax. I think it can be demonstrated as clearly as any proposition in arithmetic can be, that it is largely for the interest of the United States to make these bonds free and clear of all taxes, both State and national. Why? The bonds of the United States can not be subjected to national taxation except in one form, and that is the tax on income. ISTo discriminating tax can be levied on United States bonds that would not be equally applicable to aU other bonds in the country, because all taxes must be uniform throughout the United States ; and it is impossible to tax a Govern- ment bond unless you tax also the bonds of railroad companies, of States, of all sorts of corporations, and all the various forms of in- debtedness. Besides, there may be some question whether any tax upon property of this kind, fixed and acquired, is not a direct tax within the meaning of the Constitution ; bat I will not debate that question. It is certain that no tax can be levied on these national securities 254 SPEE0I-IE8 AND REPORTS OV JOHN SHERMAN. except the income tax, which is an indirect tax upon the income derived from Government securities. Now, if we reserve the power to tax the incomes on these $1,200,000,000 of bonds, what do we gain hj it? In the first place, all those that are held abroad in foreign countries are free from the operation of the tax. Not only that, but by our general law we exempt the income of all persons whose incomes are less than $1,0U0 from taxation, whether they are derived from national securi- ties or from any other source. All the bonds that are held by the national banks as the basis of their banking operations are now taxa- ble, and will be in the future, in another way ; so that practically we now do not receive from the tax upon income from Government bonds exceeding eight hundred thousand dollars aU told. There are no defi- nite returns made of internal revenue showing exactly the amount of the income tax derived from the interest upon Government securi- ties ; but the amount is very small, and probably does not exceed what I have just stated. Therefore the Committee, after a patient examinar tion of the matter, deemed it to be for the interest of the United States, as a mere financial question, to discount in advance the right of the nation to tax the Government securities, in order that we might induce people to lend us money on bonds at a lower rate of interest, free from all taxes whatever. It is, however, a question for the Sen- ate to determine. Now, sir, with regard to the manner of the negotiation of these bonds, the bill leaves that substantially to the discretion of the Secre- tary of the Treasury. When you put upon him a great task like this, involving, if he succeeds, the saving of from eighteen to thirty-four mil- lions per annum in gold, you can not hamper him with conditions. If you can not trust him, some one else ought to take his place. You must give him the necessary agencies and the necessary powers to carry on the operations of a great task like this. Therefore in this bill we have inserted the usual powers, which before and during the war were given to every Secretary of the Treasury, but which there is a con- tinual disposition to carp at. I recall with pleasure the language of Mr. Fessenden, in his report to us in 1864, when Secretary of the Treasury, upon this very question of discretionary authority conferred upon the Secretary : A wide discretion should be intrusted to the officer charged with the duty of negotiating loans, in order that he may be enabled to avoid unexpected difficulties occasioned by possible conditions of the money market. This delicate and responsi- ble duty must necessarily be intrusted to somebody, and the people can have no other reliable security for faithfulness than may be found in the established charac- ter of the individual charged with so important a trust, whoever lio may be. Now, sir, what are the discretionary powers conferred on the Secre- tary of the Treasury? First, we authorize him to employ private agents ; and it is proposed, to avoid t'liis, to require all the operations 01 negotiating this loan to be done l)y the Treasury Department. Why, sir, tliis is practically impossible. Every nation in Europe, and our own nation in three memorable [WTiods, have found it to be so. The ma- chinery of the Treasury De]xirtment is not adapted for the negotiation of these loanp. Even the powerful governments of Great Britain, of FUNDING BILL. 255 Eussia, of France, resort to private bankers or agents to carry on the operations of funding their debts. All railroad corporations and all associations seeking to borrow money in the money markets of the world must seek these intermediate agencies. Three times during the war we tried to avoid it. Mr. Chase, when Secretary of the Treasury, tried to negotiate the five-twenty loan through the Treasury Department, and failed utterly for more than a year, until finally he, under similar authority to that conferred in this bill, employed private agents, who within six or eight months from that time sold the whole loan. So Mr. Fessenden, when Secretary of the Treasury, undertook to carry on a negotiation by the aid of the national banks and the Treasury Department, and he finally in his report said that he found himself unable to get the requisite money in that way, and was compelled to resort to private agencies. So with Mr. McCul- loch under similar circumstances. Here the authority is conferred to employ agents with limited power and with limited pay ; and if you will not trust the Secretary of the Treasury with these discretionary powers, of course you may so cripple and tie up his hands as to prevent him from negotiating the loan. There is another difiiculty presented, I think, for the first time in this bill. There is authority granted in this bill to employ foreign agents, or bankers in foreign countries. Although in some of the loan laws passed during the war the authority was granted to negotiate bonds in Europe, yet I do not find in any of the loan laws express authority to employ agents in foreign countries, although such agents have often been employed. But here the authority is expressly given. The reason for it is that the great mass of our public debt which can be funded at a low rate of interest is now held abroad. Mr. Wells, in his annual report, made here recently, estimates the amount held in Europe at $1,000,000,000. I believe he has overstated it ; but at the same time I believe it approaches $1,000,000,000, and is about one half the funded debt of the United States. The rate of interest in foreign countries is lower than in this country, and it is therefore proba- ble that we can negotiate bonds on more favorable terms abroad than here. All this is left to the discretion of the Secretary. He is author- ized to negotiate bonds at home and abroad, and to do it either through the Treasury Department or private agents here or in Europe. He may also print on the face of the bond the authorization of the pay- ment of interest in the coin of the country in which they are negotiated. He is authorized to pay the interest in thalers, in francs, in sterling, in order to avail himself of the lowest possible rate of interest. I hope that this part of the measure will finally lead to what has been so eagerly sought for by the honorable Senator from Massachu- setts and myself, an international coinage. It is very easy now, if we could approach this question as practical business men, to adopt a coin- age unit as the standard for all the civilized nations of the world. It has been a theme for poets and statesmen now for more than a generation. There is a concurrence of opinion in Europe and in Amer- ica in favor of the adoption of a system of international coinage, which I believe will now lead to practical results. A very slight change in 256 SPEECHES AND EEP0RT8 OF JOHN SHERMAN. the coinage of Germany, France, England, and our own country will enable us to make our national coins convertible one into the other without loss by exchange ; and I have the hope that this measure, now for the first time transferred to our diplomatic service, wiU be brought about by the common consent of the different nations affected. It will be one of the greatest reforms in modern times when five francs will be a dollar, five dollars a pound sterling, ten florins a pound, and the eagle of America the international imit of the civilized world. Then the coin of all modern nations may travel anywhere in the pockets of the citi- zens of all nations, interchangeable in every country, its value fixed upon its face, and of universal circulation. I have no doubt that this measure will tend eventually to the adoption of such a system of inter- national coinage, and in that aspect will be a scientific as well as a financial benefit. I wish now, Mr. President, to call the attention of the Senate very briefly to the sinking-fund section of this bill. Section seven provides for the appropriation from the duties on imported goods of $150,000,- 000 in gold per annum, applicable first to the payment of the interest and then to the payment of the principal. The amount of the interest on the public debt is now about $125,000,000, so that this is an appro- priation of $25,000,000, or one per cent, of the principal, to be kept as a perpetual sinking fund, the operation of which will pay off every dollar of our indebtedness, old and new, in from twenty-five to thirty years, depending somewhat on the changes in the value of our bonds. This is not only a wise financial policy, but it is the result of an ex- press stipulation in the law. In the act to which I referred a while ago, of February 25, 1862, we stipulated that until the debt was paid we would appropriate one per cent, of its amount every year to form a sinking fund for the extinguishment of the principal. This bill or- ganizes the sinking fund on a new plan, which, without any risk of misapplication, will extinguish the debt within the period stipulated in the bonds. The United States has in substance faithfully and hon- estly observed this stipulation. During the war it could not do it ; it was idle to attempt it. During war a sinking fund is a delusion ; it can not operate except from a surplus revenue. AH the theories tliat have grown out of the experiment in England have been shown to be delusive, except in a state of peace, and when there was a surplus rev- enue. Then the application of a sinking fund is like Aladdin's lamp, it works wonders. I said that the United States had constantly maintained the integrity of the sinking fund, not in the form provided by the law, but bv aii actual payment of a greater amount of the debt than was stipulated. 1 have in my hand a table, showing the amount paid each year since the close of the war on the principal of the public debt. On the 1st of March, 1866, our debt reached the highest figure. It then amounted to $2,823,92+,!»51» ; or, deducting the cash in the Trea- sury, to $2,707,906,000. From the 1st of March, 186(5, to the 1st of March, 1867, we paid of the principal of tliis debt $190,064,110; from the 1st of Marcli, 1867, to the 1st of March, 1868, we paid $20,482,- 266 ; from tlio Ist of March, 18^8, to tlie 1st of March, 1869, wo paid FUNDING BILL. 257 $5,959,918 ; from the 1st of March, 1869, to the 1st of March, 1870, to-morrow, estimating for a few days, we have paid $86,695,620 of our bonded indebtedness ; maJiing an actual payment in four years of $303,- 201,725, or an average annud payment on the ascertained debt during the last four years of $75,800,431. ISTot onljikthat, but we have paid in addition a large mass of un- liquidated debt. I have in my hand a statement or estimate prepared by the Secretary of the Treasury, showing that during four years we r have paid $777,540,634 of unliquidated debt, in addition to the $303,- 201,725 of the principal of the liquidated debt ; making the total pay- ments on the debt, besides interest, over $1,000,000,000 in four years. This unliquidated debt consisted of supplies furnished, of unpaid re- quisitions, of bounties and back pay, and other debts in various forms outstanding, not entered on the books of the Treasury, but just as much the debt of the country as :five-twenty bonds. All these have been paid from the ordinary revenues of the Government in addition to the $303,000,000 of bonds. It is believed that it is high time the people of the United States should be somewhat relieved from such large pay- ments, and that the policy requiring them should be suspended ; but we should faithfully carry out the obligation of the contract, and pay at least one per cent, annually. Mr. President, I have shown above that during the 'present year, the first year of General Grant's admioistration, we mve paid $86,000,- 000 of the public debt ; and that during the last year of Mr. Johnson's administration there were only five or six millions of the public debt paid under the same revenue laws. This presents a favorable aspect for the party to which the great majority of the Senate belong. I wish to carry the comparison a little further. I have a table here show- ing the receipts and expenditures of the last year of Mr. Johnson's ad- mmistration compared with the receipts and expeiises of the first year of General Grant's administration, and the result is highly favorable to the EepubHcan party. Although I do not intend to drag into this dis- cussion anything like political controversy, yet it is due to the Adminis- tration that these official figures should be put on record, so that it may have the benefit of the credit due to its management of our public finances. The income of the Government from March 1, 1868, to March 1, 1869, was as follows : From customs $176,200,692 79 From internal revenue 155,138,168 99 From other sources 36,929,656 99 Total $368,268,518 77 The income from March 1, 1869, to March 1, 1870 (estimating for the last six days of the year, from February 22 to February 28), will be : From customs $179,956,743 85 From internal revenue 175,467,141 04 From other sources 39,636,213 93 Total $394,959,098 82 Income in 1868-'69 368,268,518 77 Increase in favor of 1869-'70 $26,690,580 05 17 258 SPEECHES AND BEPORTS OF JOHN 8HEEMAN. This statement is not absolutely correct, because the accounts of the Department are kept by quarters and not by months, but it is very nearly so, and may be relied on for any ordinary purposes of com- parison. The total expenditures from March 1, 1868, to February 1, 1869, were $327,067,284 53 The total expenditures from March 1, 1869, to February 1, 1870, were . ^ 271,927,303 09 Decrease in expenses $66,139,981 44 Increase of income 26,690,680 05 Balance in favor of Grant's administratiou $81,830,561 49 Actual payment of the public debt since March 1, 1869, to February 1, 1870. $80,649,971 09 Estimated payment in February, 1870 6,000,000 00 Total $86,649,971 09 Reduction of public debt from March 1, 1868, to March 1, 1869 5,959,718 46 Amount of public debt paid in first year of Grant's administratiou in excess of last year of Johnson's administration $80,690,252 63 The last year of Mr. Johnson's administration diminished the prin- cipal of the public debt but a little over five millions, while, as I have already shown, there has actually been paid upon the public debt du- ring the first year of this administration $86,649,971 ; and nearly all the money that has been paid upon the public debt in the past year has been derived from the saving in expenditures and the increased collec- tion of revenues under the same laws. These are simply facts derived from ofiicial sources, and inure greatly to the benefit of the present administration. I only hope it will go on and do better in the future. Mr. President, the three remaining sections of this bill apply to the national banks. That is much too great a theme for me to enter upon at this stage of the debate ; but I will explain in a very few words the theory of those sections. The national banks are mere creatures of law. They hold their existence at the pleasure of Congress. We may to- morrow, if it promotes the public interests, withdraw their authority. Their franchise has been valuable to them. "We think it right that they should aid us in funding the public debt. They hold of our secu- rities $346,000,000. Nearly all of these bear six per cent, interest in coin. We will not deprive them of any of them ; we will not take from them the property they enjoy ; we will not deny them even the payment of six per cent, gold interest as long as they ai'e the ownera of these bonds. But they hold the franchise of issuing paper money guar- anteed by the United States, which constitutes the circulation of our country ; and we say that, enjoying that franchise, we now stipulate with them for the reduction of interest on the bonds they hold. The pro- visions of this bill are not arbitrary ; they are not hai-sh ; they do not take from the national banks any right which they enjoy, except one confessedly at our pleasure. If they are not content to enjoy their franchise on the terms proposed, they can retire. As to new banks which may be organized under the free-banking section, it is easier for them to engage in banking under this bill than under the old law, because they can go to the Treasury and buy bonds at par in currency, and upon these receive circulating notes, and a cor- FUNDING BILL. , 259 responding amount of legal tenders will be then canceled. The new banks may issue in circulating notes four fifths of the amount of their bonds under the terms and conditions of the banking act, while, if they were now required to go into the market to buy bonds with which to start new banks, they would be compelled to pay a premium of from ten to twenty per cent, for the existing bonds, and then could issue only ninety per cent, of the amount of the principal of the bonds. I think it is very clear that under the last section of the bill the banking system becomes free, and old and new banks are on an equal footing ; but if it is not clear, it ought to be made so. The section is intended to be a free-banking law, opening wide the door for the or- ganization of banks to any extent, only upon condition that an equal amount of greenbacks shall be retired as the new notes are issued. That is the purpose. The only limitation on it is the amount of green- backs now outstanding ; and when they are exhausted, it will be for Congress.to determine whether we shall go further. Such, sir, are the general provisions of this bill. The great object is the reduction of the interest of the public debt. If the 11,200,000,- 000 proposed is taken, it will be a reduction of our annual taxes of $18,000,000 of gold, representing a capital at five per cent, of $360,- 000,000 ; and the incidental results of this measure wiU be as beneficial as the direct saving of the public treasure. A policy will be adopted, by fixing the minimum to be applied to the payment of the public debt, that will enable us to ascertain precisely the amount of necessary taxes. The public debt will be represented by an annuity of $150,- 000,000, which will pay every dollar of it within thirty years. Our taxes can then be measured by our appropriations, with the constantly pressing lesson that every new appropriation is a new tax, and every saving of appropriation is the repeal of a part of the most burdensome of existing taxes. And, sir, the tendency^of the measure is to the re- turn of specie payments. We now again restore to the United States note its quality of redeemableness, a quality which was taken from it under the pressure of the war, and which when restored to it will give it value and stability, will place it beyond the range of mere gamblers, and will firmly anchor it upon the credit of interest-bearing securities, so that while specie payments are suspended the note will not fall in market value below the value of the bonds. Having thus fixed a mode of redemption and a limit of depreciation, you may hope soon to see these broken promises redeemed and their places supplied with paper money, convertible at pleasure into gold or silver coin. And, sir, the beneficial effect of this measure wiUbe seen in the re- duction of the rate of interest on capital employed in private enterprise, which by the usurious rates paid by the Government during the war has been forced to an average in the United States of ten per cent. This unnatural rate has tended to deter new enterprises, to accumulate capital, and to increase prices ; for interest is a large element in the cost of all commodities. The national banks will be required to aid us by some sacrifices on their part, but even this is voluntary with each bank. If any of them do not choose to enjoy a privilege conferred and held at the pleasui'e 260 SPEECHES AND REPORTS OF JOHN SHERMAN. of Congress, they are at liberty to take their property and retire. Otliers will gladly avail themselves of the privilege of buying these bonds, with the right to issue four fifths of their amount in paper money iipon their security. If bankers, whose profits have been largely increased by the high premium in gold received of the Government, will not now aid us to reduce our interest, let them take their money and try other investments if they will. I would not violate in the slightest degree any promise made to them ; but the probable effect of this measure in reducing their dividends does not excite my sympath;y, nor do I believe it will deprive us of any of the banks or banking capi- tal necessary to the good of the people. Under this system, as it will remain under this bill, these bonds will be the most remunerative and attractive investment for idle capital managed in the interest of those not willing or able to manage it by personal care. And, sir, another beneficial effect of this measure, if adopted, is that we will have a financial policy. The broken threads made by the revolutionary expedients of the war will be tied again. Business men can know what to rely upon. They will not have to look daily to the Treasury Department for its bulletin of the sale of gold or of bonds ; they will not have to depend upon an inflexible and arbitrary limit of a currency which is not measured in value by gold, bonds, or anything, which is redeemable in nothing but taxes, and the price of which may at any time be affected by speculation ; they will not have to compete with the United States in the money markets to borrow at a usurious interest. No longer will there be doubts as to the terms of our out- standing bonds. The danger, I trust a remote one, of a political party coming into power pledged to repudiation, will be put to rest. No one could raise the question of taxing bonds bearing so low a rate as these, on which the taxes are so plainly discounted and reserved in advance by the United States. As to the practicability of this measure, the only doubt I have upon it rests upon the ability of the Secretary of the Treasury to negotiate a bond having a less rate of interest than five per cent. ; but as he is confident that he can do so, I am willing that he should try, and am willing to give him every aid and power that will tend to make his effort a success. If he succeeds, he will deserve the higher credit. That he can fund the debt at five per cent. I have not a doubt. If he does better, he will have the thanks of his countrymen, and should re- ceive from Congress every aid and facility it is possible for us to give him. To the extent that these bonds are made the basis of banking, their sale is practicable and just. Beyond that it will do]icnd upon the con- fidence of capitalists in the public faith, in the development of our re- sources, and in the willingness of our ]H'ople to bear for a while the burden of taxation. Nothing can aid so much as strict economy and a surplus revenue. Money saved or colloctod now will be saved to our people many times in the lessoning of the taxes in the future. riiis is not the time to discuss the question whether, while the funding ]irocess is going on, it is wise to reduce our taxes. That ques- tion will be distinctly presented when the tax and tariff bills come to FUNDING BILL. 261 us from the House. It is clear enough that in a short time we shall be able to reduce largely our internal taxes and confine their operation to a few articles. I hope we shall not complicate this bill by a premature discussion as to the kind of taxes to be first repealed. We know well that, if this measure is a success, we can go much further in the repeal of taxes than if we continue to pay six per cent, interest on our debt. The question of taxation is subordinate to and should be dealt with so as to promote the success of this measure. If by maintaining our present taxes for a year we can seciire the permanent reduction of our interest, it would be an act of statesmanship to do so, even though the taxes are heavy.- A surplus revenue is the most effective agency to employ for the reduction of the interest of the debt; but it is equally clear that diminished expenditure and postponement to the future of bew objects of expenditure will promote the success of this measure. If we are now wise enough to act in harmony with the policy of the President, if we will now reduce expenses and maintain taxes, we can by the suc- cess of this measure pave the way for a very large reduction the moment our debt is funded. With a surplus of $100,000,000, with the increased value given to our bonds by a postponement of the payment of the principal, with power to borrow and pay money when money is the cheapest, and, above all, with the confidence that wiU be inspired by a fixed financial policy, I am confident that the whole $1,200,000,- 000 provided by this bill may be placed at par within a reasonable time. And, sir, one of the most effective agencies in the success of this measure is the information now universally diffused throughout the civilized world of our great power and resources. Before the war the power claimed for the several States kept us in the money market as a confederacy of States, and not as a nation. Slavery threatened us with a perpetual civil war ; it mingled in all our poHtical contests, arrayed us into sectional parties, and in the judgment of sagacious statesmen was to tear the fabric of republican government from turret to founda- tion stone. All this is happily ended. No interest or faction threatens the national authority. Forty-two milKons of free people, confessedly among the most enterprising and intelligent of the hiunan race, with a Government tested in civil and foreign war, securing to aU the equal benefit of the laws, the privilege of free education and religion, the protection of property, and equality in every field of enterprise, in- habiting a vast region in the fairest portion of a great continent filled with xmdeveloped resources, furnish a guaranty of public credit as strong as any human government can offer. With such advantages, now universally appreciated, we may with reasonable confidence hope to sell our bonds on as favorable terms as any nation of the world. But, sir, whether we succeed in negotiating all the bonds provided for in this bill, or fail in some of them, we can assure the Senate that this measure, to any extent to which its provisions can be enforced, will tend to the pubKc interests. This bill does not undertake arbitrarily to fix a day for the resump- tion of specie payments. Human wisdom can not foresee a guard 262 SPEECHES AND EEP0RT8 OF JOHN" SHERMAN. against the numberless contingencies that affect our power to resume. The attempt to fix a day win only invite a severe contraction or a hoarding of currency, and thus make more difficult actual resumption. Nor does this bill provide for an arbitrary contraction of the cur- rency. To the extent that currency flows into the Treasury in pay- ment for four per cent, bonds, and is not paid out for ordinary wants, its volume will be reduced, but only when its exchange for such bonds shall absolutely demonstrate its redundancy. As bank notes are issued, United States notes will be retired, thus changing the burden of resumption from the United States to the banks by their volimtary consent. There is no possible inflation of the currency, and I can not conceive a state of facts that would induce me to enlarge its volume until it is redeemable in gold and silver coin. All we can say is that this bill, so far as it affects our paper currency, will increase its value and bring it nearer and nearer to the gold staoa- dard. Sir, we have seen many changes in the progress of the great events through which we have passed. We have seen our country nobly passing through the greatest civil war of modem times. We have seen slavery abolished, and liberty and political rights secured to all our citizens. We have passed through financial difficulties without taint of dishonor. If we can now restore our suspended notes, the favor- ite currency of our people, by a gradual process of appreciation, to the constitutional standard, we shau have witnessed from the begin- ning to the end the most remarkable era in the history of any people. With the firm faith that this measure will tend to this result, I ask for it the considerate judgment of the Senate. FUNDING BILL. IN THE SENATE, MARGES, 1870. The bill to authorize the refunding and consolidation of the national debt, to extend banking facilities, and to establish specie payments, being before the Senate, Mr. Sherman said : I WOULD like to inquire of the honorable Senator from Massachu- setts why it is that he desires to give the holdera of the firet five-twenty bonds a monopoly of this five per cent, loan ? Is the obligation of a five-twenty bond of 1862 any stronger, or is it more oppressive to the United States, than any other five-twenty bond ? Is there any greater obligation to pay the first issue of $500,000,000 of five-twenty bonds than any others ? Is it more advantageous to the United States to re- deem it than any other loan ? It is now hold abroad idmost entirely, in masses in a few hands. Why give to the holders of that loan the monopoly of the new five per cents., and refuse them to any other class of creditors ? I never could make up my mind to accept that. The Senator gives us a poetic reason : somebody has opposed the rUNDING BILL. 263 old five-twenties and threatened to pay them ofE in greenbacks ; and in order to resent that insult on the pubuc credit he is determined to give them a monopoly and the advantage of an annuity of one half per cent, per year in order to wipe out that stigma. I do not think there is any occasion to do that. AH the five-twenties stand on the same footing. They are all issued under the same law, the act of February 25, 1862. They are all equally burdensome. One thousand million dollars of them are now redeemable. It is no more the interest of the United States to redeem one than another ; it is its interest to redeem them all ; and why give five per cents to the holders of the first five-twen- ties, and probably only four and a half per cents to the holders of the others, unless the poetical idea of my honorable friend is a sufficient reason ? I can not answer the question myself. Perhaps he can. In regard to the other points I may as well answer the honorable Senator now while I am up. In spite of the dread of which the Senator from Massachusetts com- plained as having hung over the five-twenties of 1862, they have, until within a year past, taken the lead in the market, and sold higher than any bonds we have had, even the long loan of 1881. The talk about paying them ofE in that way has not injured them. It seems to me if we pay them off with ^ gold at par, when most of them were sold by the United States at about seventy or eighty cents on the dollar, we wipe out any stigma that may have been cast on them'. But I may as well now reply to one or two other points made by the honorable Senatof, so that I need not recur to them again. He says that the amount of five per cents should be $500,000,000 instead of $400,000,000. The answer to that, as I stated the other day, is that the Secretary is of opinion, which he has now repeated in the most solemn form, that with $400,000,000 of five per cents he can redeem all the debt that is now desirable to redeem. I have always had doubts about his abihty to redeem the mass of the six per cent, debts with any bonds at a less rate of interest than five per cent. I am rather disposed to concur in the opinion expressed by the honorable Senator from Con- necticut on that point ; but when the oflicer of the Government who is called upon to discharge this duty tells us distinctly that this is all he wants of five per cent, securities, it seems to me that it is idle and wrong for us to force on him a greater amount at that rate of interest. That is the only answer. Four hundred million dollars at the higher rate will be sufficient; and the total $1,200,000,000 will be probably all that will be necessary to fund the six per cents. The Senator from Massachusetts says that we have reduced the time for the payment of these bonds from forty to twenty years. I do not regard that as very material. If we reserve the right to redeem after ten years, I do not deem it important whether the absolute pay- ment of the debt is fixed at twenty, forty, or one hundred years. The right to redeem after ten years is all that is necessary, and that should be reserved in every form of loan. But we wish to hold out to the world, in the negotiation of these bonds, the fact that we do not intend to abandon the American system of paying our debt within the genera- tion that contracted it. That is the idea. We therefore stipulate to 264: SPEECHES AND KEP0KT8 OF JOHN SHERMAN. pay each of these classes of bonds absolutely within twenty, thirty, or forty years. That was the idea first advanced by Alexander Hamilton, and maintained by this Government without exception to this hour ; and now, when we are about to fund the debt, I do not wish to surren- der the idea that we shall absolutely pay it all within forty years, and that we shall absolutely pay off these five per cent, bonds m twenty years. Does any Senator doubt our ability or our disposition to do it ? No one can doubt it. The operation of the sinking fund alone will probably pay off the debt before the time that the bonds are payable. Therefore, I think it is well to maintain in this bill the affirmation of the distinct policy of the Government to pay the principal of the whole debt within forty years. The only other point to which I wish to reply is as to the rapid payment of the public debt. The honorable Senator objects that the seventh section provides for its too rapid payment. It simply provides what we agreed to pay. "We are just as much bound to pay each year one per cent, of the principal of the debt contracted under the act of February 25, 1862, as we are bound to pay six per cent, interest on the five-twenty loans. But the Senator says that now we can make a new bar^in, we can change the terms of the act of February 25, 1862. The fifth section of the act of February 25, 1862, providing for the payment of this one per cent., applies to all the debt ; and every five- twenty bond now outstanding in the market is issued under the original act of February 25, 1862. The amount only is enlarged ; but all the subsequent issues are of the same character and description, having the same rates and the same qualities as those issued under the original act. So it has been regarded by all departments of the Government. The one per cent, clause applies to the whole public debt, most of which was created under the act of February 25, 1862. So this is a stipulation ; it is what we have agreed to do. "We agreed in that act that we would apply one per cent, of the principal of the debt to the payment of the debt. The debt is now $2,500,000,000. One per cent, is $25,000,000, and that must not only be applied every year, but it must be applied in the nature of a sinking fund ; that is, as the principal decreases the amount applied should be increased ^ari passu f so that this is but the organization of a sinking fund. It was not organized before for the reason stated by the Secretary of the Treasury, but the United States has always paid the $25,000,000 a year, and more too. Now, the question is whether, when we were about to repeal taxes, we shall not keep in view the obligation incurred by us during the war, and, pay at least $25,000,000 in the natm-e of a sinking fund on the principal of the public debt. The objections made by both these Senators to the payment of the Interest of the new bonds abroad, and especially to the employment of foreign agents, have a great deal of force in them. The answer is, however, that by the employment of foreign agouts, especially by the employment of leading bankers abroad, we can place our loans at a lower rate of interest. One thousand millions of this debt are now scattered all over Europe, a considerable part of it in the remotest parts. It is i^roposed now to employ agents scattered all over Europe to help FUNDING BILL. 265 us place it. If by doing so we can save money, it is better for us to do it. It is true it shocks a little my American pride to pay interest abroad ; but other nations do it ; and if we can reduce the interest to the low rates proposed by this bill bjy^ paying a portion abroad, I see no objection to it. There is no cost about it. It costs nothing, except the possible loss of interest from the time of transmitting coin or exchange up to the date of the payment of the interest, because there is probably not a banker in Europe who would not be very glad to keep this account without charging anything, and even perhaps allowing us interest on the balances from time to time. Now, and for years past, an account has been kept by the American Government with a leading banking- house in London on these terms. They pay drafts drawn by the Gov- ernment of the United States on Europe without cost to the United States, and allow, I believe, a small rate of interest on the amounts accumulated from time to time for that purpose. I prefer to say first what I have to say in regard to the last clause of the sixth section, which appropriates not exceeding one per cent, of the amount of bonds herein authorized to pay the expenses of prepar- ing, issuing, and disposing of them. This clause is taken from several of the loan laws passed during the war. Indeed, this clause, with some modifications, has been con- tained in all the loan laws passed from 1862 to this time. The same clause, different in form however, was in the old laws from the founda- tion of the Government. Sometimes the loan laws limited the amount of commissions allowed to agents to one eighth, sometimes to one tenth, and sometimes to one fourth of one per cent., and made direct appro- priations for the other expenses of the various loans. "When the Fi- nance Committee reported this bUl we inserted this usual clause of the loan laws. Here a very strange thing occurred, to which I wish to in- vite the attention of the Senate. 'So sooner was this bill reported than it was proclaimed all over the United States that the Senator from Massachusetts [Mr. Wilson] had a plan to submit to the Senate by which this appropriation of one per cent, was to be saved, and it was intimated in the public prints and by telegrams that this one per cent, was a vast corruption fund, or something of that kind, of $12,000,000, and that the Senator from Massachusetts was to propose an amendment or modification to it. About the same time the other Senator from Massachusetts [Mr. Sumner] introduced three or four or five sheets of amendments, touching almost every line and 'clause of the bill except this. This particular clause was contained in his funding bill, also sub- mitted to the Committee on Finance. As this was the ordinary discretionary power heretofore conferred, it excited my surprise somewhat to find a contest made on it, especially when it was sought to create a false impression in regard to the appro- priation of one per cent. I was induced, therefore, to examine a little more carefully into this enormous, as was alleged, discretionary power given to the Secretary of the Treasury. When I came to examine the old laws I found that the same discretion had been conferred on Secre- tary Chase, on Secretary Fessenden, and Secretary McOulloch, in pre- 266 SPEECHES AND REPORTS OF JOHN SHERMAN. cisely the same language. The present Secretary of the Treasury, a citizen of Massachusetts, is a comparative stranger to me, but known to me as a distinguished Kepresentative of that State in the House of Kepresentatives, and as a gentlemp,n who has earned a good deal of credit, and I think deservedly, for his management of our finances during the past year. Mr. President, the loans negotiated during the war did not throw upon the Secretary anything like the difficult task that is thrown upon Mr. Boutwell by the operation of this bill. The original five-twenty loan, the law authorizing which contains the same clause and empowers Secretary Chase to negotiate $500,000,000 on certain terms, was not so difficult a task as is now to be imposed upon Secretary Boutwell. Why ? Because that loan was to be sold at par for paper money, and before we undertook to sell the five-twenty loan we depreciated the paper money by issuing first $150,000,000 of legal tenders, then another $150,000,000, and then another $150,000,000 ; and it was not until $450,000,000 were outstanding and largely depreciated in the money market that we undertook to sell the bonds at par in paper money, or at about seventy-five cents on the dollar in gold. That was a much easier task than the task of selling $1,200,000,000 bonds bear- ing a much lower rate of interest, for gold at par. So with the task thrown on Secretary Fessenden. At that time paper money was worth but fifty cents on the dollar ; and we author- ized him to sell six per cent, bonds at par in this paper money, and gave him, without a single objection in either House, the discretionary authority to use as the cost of negotiation an amount not to exceed one per cent. That is all the discretion contained in this bill. His task was comparatively an easy one. So with Mr. McOuUoch. By the act of July, 1866, we continued this one per cent, on the loans and ex- changes authorized by the act of April, 1866. In all those cases this authority was carefully and wisely used. I hold in my hand a letter of the Secretary of the Treasury, transmitting a full account of all the sales of bonds of the United States from the beginning of the war until 1867, which shows precisely what each of those three gentlemen did, how much commission they paid on the sale of gold, the sale of bonds, and all the various transactions of the Treasury carefully analyzed. Here is the correspondence also of those Secretaries, showmg who were employed, the time and circumstances of the employment, and the amount paid ; and it will be perceived that they each discharged this duty with great care and fidelity. It seemed, therefore, natural to the Committee on Finance that, in imposing on Mr. Secretary Boutwell a task far more difficult, requiring him to sell these bonds at par in gold at low rates of interest, five, four and a half, and four per cent., to the amount of $1,200,000,000, we at least ought to be willmg to give him the ordinary means and facilities with which previous Secretaries had boon intrusted, and by which they executed their trust ; but it seems that there is objection all at once to granting the necessary power. Tlie honorable Senator from Pennsyl- vania [Mr. Cameron] even proposes to strike out nil appropriations for expenses ; in other words, the Secretary must print these bonds at his FUNDING BILL. 267 own expense ; lie must negotiate tliem at his own expense ; he must engrave them at his own expense ; no provision is to be made for car- rying on the vast operations of this great task. He is to employ agents at home and abroad. Our present bonds are scattered as far as Christian civilization goes. They are now, according to the documents I have on my table, spread aU over Europe, in its remotest parts. He is expected to gather up all these bonds, prevail on the holders of them to surrender their six per cent, bonds, and take a bond bearing a less rate of interest, without cost to the Treasury, without any facilities, without money to employ agents, without even money to purchase the paper on which the promise of the United States is printed ! That is not the way we ought to treat our executive officers. We ought to trust them with ordinary discretionary power, and hold them strictly and rigidly responsible for the execution of the trust. As soon as I saw this opposition to giving to the Secretary of the Treasury the ordinary necessary facilities for carrying on the loan, I addressed a letter to him calling his attention to the fact, and asking him whether he could not take less and accomplish the task. It is true that for every $100 of these bonds he sells he saves to us an annuity of not less than one doUar until the whole debt is paid, and at a cost not to exceed one dollar, which is equivalent to at least twenty times the amount we pay. No bond will be sold at an expense beyond one per cent. That is the saving of one year in the rate of interest. Thus, ofE the sale of the first $400,000,000 of five per cent, bonds he saves $4,000,000 per annum until the whole of the debt is paid, at an ex- pense -of $4,000,000. Off the sales of the second $400,000,000 he saves $6,000,000 per annum at an expense of $4,0Q0,000. Off sales of the third $400,000,000 he saves $8,000,000 per annum at an expense of $4,000,000. Here is his reply to my letter, which I send to the desk to be read. The Secretary read as follows : Teeastiet Depabtmext, March 2, 1870. SiE : In reply to your communication of this date I have the honor to say that it is impossible for me to estimate with a reasonable degree of accuracy the probable expense of negotiating the proposed loan — preparing, printing, issuing the bonds, and negotiating the same in the United States and Europe. I have no doubt that the one per cent, named in the hill will exceed the aggregate charges, but I should not consider it wise to reduce the appropriation, as any deficiency under the existing general laws would put it out of the power of the Secretary of the Treasury to pro- ceed in the negotiation, and thus the object of the proposed legislation would be defeated. In reply to your suggestion, that a proposition will be made to impose the work upon the ofiicials of the Treasury Department exclusively, I have the honor to say that that proposition, if adopted, would put it out of the power of the Department to place the new loan. A large amount of our bonds are held in Europe, and the holders of them can only be reached through bankers of reputation and influence in various countries, and I presume it will be found necessary to employ them to negotiate the loan upon a commission. That commission will, of course, be a small fraction only of the one per cent, proposed as the total expense. I have not entered into negotiations for the purpose of ascertaining at what rate they would undertake the business ; but I may say that it will be accepted by the leading bankers at the lowest rates at which such business is ever done. Very respectfully, GEORGE S. BOUTWELL, Secretary. Hon. JoHN^ Shekman, Chairman Committee on Finance, United States Senate. 268 SPEECHES AND REPORTS OF JOHN SHERMAN. After tlie receipt of that letter, not entirely satisfied yet, I made an examination of the cost of various loans by the United States and by European nations. I found that the first five-twenty loan cost us three eiffhtns of one per cent, for agents ; the second, the large loan made by Mr. Fessenden in 1864, cost three fourths of one per cent. I have here a very instructive letter by Mr. Fessenden, which I will not now ask to have read, showing the reason why he finally employed the agents he did employ on the 28th of January, 1865. The amount paid by him was three fourths of one per cent., far more than is necessary now ; but the circumstances under which it was paid, I think, clearly justified him in making that allowance. So Mr. McOulloch, according to the reports on the table, paid one eighth of one per cent. In conversation with the Secretary I suggested that all that part of the loan to be taken by the national banks might be negotiated without cost. Undoubtedly no commission would be paid in a case of that kind ; so far as the loan might be taken as a domestic loan, it might possibly be sold to some extent by the officers of the Treasury Depart- ment, although they have not the ordinary means and facilities for doing that business. No private persons would attempt to sell a loan of this kind without employing the ordinary banking agencies of the world. It must be remembered that $1,000,000,000 of our bonded debt is held in Europe. All of these bonds must necessarily be sold in Europe, ex- cept probably the five per cents, or a portion of them, and those that are absorbed by the banks. "We know very well that an attempt to put a loan upon the American market now at four and a half or four per cent, would be utterly idle. This bill is based on the idea that we may place the four and four and a half per cents abroad, and thus get gold to redeem the six per cent, bonds which are scattered all over Europe. How can the Secre- tary do it ? He must employ bankers and agents, and pay them. He has no agent of the Treasury Department in Europe, where the loan must be negotiated. How can he expect persons to engage in this business without the ordinary facilities and profits ? If you can sell the bonds at the rates proposed it is because $1,000,000,000 of our six per cent, bonds are held abroad ; and by the sale of a loan there at a smaller rate of interest, extending the time, we may get money to pay them off. Therefore we must make the terms of this law so that the Secretary can have the means and facilities for negotiating them abroad. When I came to examine into the cost of foreign loans I found that the cost of the Eussian loan was two and a half per cent, for commis- sions. The long loans of various governments of Europe have cost from one to five per cent., and even the cost of the loans of England through the Banlc of England has been very nearly the rate proposed in this bill. Under these circumstances the attempt to reduce the power of the Secretary of the Treasury, and to take away the discretion necessary to be placed upon him in the negotiation of this loan, is an attempt to defeat this bill and to cast a discredit upon him. I have addressed him a second letter, expressing the hope that he FUNDING BILL. 269 miglit be able to see bis way clear to lower tbe rate of commission, and have received tbe following letter in reply : Teeascbt Depaktment, March 7, 1870. Sir: I take the liberty of inclosing to you two extracts from letters received from the United States consul at Sonneberg, under date of February 10, 1870, and from the United States consul at Amsterdam, dated February 12, 1870, relating to the bonds and credit of the United States in Europe. I am unable to ascertain the cost to European governments of negotiating loans made by them ; but I understand that the recent Eussian loan cost that Govern- ment about two and a half per cent. This statement, however, can not be regarded as authentic. I find from an examination of Executive Document No. 265 of the Fortieth Congress, second session, printed by the House of Eepresentatives, that the commissions allowed to bankers have generally been at the rate of one eighth of one per cent, upon the amount negotiated. In some instances a larger amount has been paid. The correspondence commencing on page 151 of that document contains further information upon the subject. I also refer in this connection to Executive Document No. 52, second session Thirty-ninth Congress ; No. 34, second session Fortieth, Congress; No. 265, second session Fortieth Congress; and No. 26, third session Fortieth Congress. I have had a careful estimate of the expense of the engraving, paper, and printing made, and find that it is not likely to exceed one eighth of one per cent. of the amount of the bonds issued. It will be necessary to make some allowance, perhaps, in addition to this, as the average cost will depend materially upon the amount of the several denominations issued. It wiU be necessary also to make some allowance for advertising and other incidental expenses. It, however, seems to me certain that the entire expense of placing the loan will not exceed one half of one per cent. Ton wiU recollect that the appropriation named in the bill now before the Sen- ate was in accordance with the previous practice of the Government, and was not the result of any investigation either upon my part or on the part of the Committee as far as I know. If it shall seem desirable to the Committee or to the Senate to limit the appropriation to one haK of one per cent. I think it safe to do so ; and yet I am prepared to say that the expense will not be increased by allowing the ap- propriation to remain at one per cent. Very respectfully, GEOEGE S. BOUTWELL, Secretary. Hon. John Sherman, Chairman Committee on Finance, United States Senate. Tbe Senate is now in possession of tbe facts, and will do as it deems best. Tbe expense figured witbin tbe lowest limit, in tbe bounds of reason, is reduced to one balf of one per cent. ; so tbat we can save $18,000,000 a year at a cost of $6,000,000. Now, wbat ougbt to be done by sensible men under tbe circumstances ? I say we ougbt to give to tbe Secretary of tbe Treasury, wbo is to perform tbis difficult task, tbe same discretion tbat was conferred upon previous Secretaries under circumstances mucb less difficult. With these facts before us, with the statement that he may possi- bly be able to confine tbe expenditures for tbis loan to one balf of one per cent., we ongbt to deal with him in a manly way ; treat him with confidence and respect; give him the discretion to expend not to exceed one per cent., and then bold him to a strict responsibilitv for tbe accurate and proper expenditure of this public money. Why, sir, every day in tbe appropriations made by law in our ordinary appropri- ation bills, in the usual progress of our daily administration, we intrust such discretionary powers to high officers of the Government. We certainly can confide for the faithful execution of the trust in the pres- ent Secretary of tbe Treasury. We ougbt not now to dishonor this 270 SPEECHES AND REPORTS OF JOHN SHERMAN. loan or to dishonor this attempt, and tie up his hands and weaken him in the slightest degree by any limitation of the ordinary discretionary power conferred on the Secretary of the Treasury under such circum- stances. If he can accomplish the task at one per cent, he will have achieved one of the greatest wonders of modei-n finance. If he should fail because his hands are tied, then you are responsible, not he. It may be that in many cases it will cost nothing ; in many cases but one eighth of one per cent. ; but in some cases — for instance, in remote countries in the negotiation of the four or the four and a half per cent, loans, where the amounts held are comparatively small, as say in a single district in a remote part of Germany — it may cost the full amount of one per cent. Suppose it does ; we gain far more than we lose. My opinion, then, is that it is better on the whole to let the bill stand as it is in this respect ; but if Senators wish to tie the Secretary down to what he now says is the lowest Kmit within which it is possi- ble for him to undertake to negotiate the loan, one half of one per cent., then I do say that if there is any fault or any failure it is yours, not his. Now, Mr. President, in regard to the appointment of agents. I need not here argue the question that agents are necessary, and that the Treasury Department is not so organized as to perform this duty. In all the loan laws from the foimdation of the Government, which I have before me, the employment of agents has been provided for, ex- cept in a few cases where the loans were awarded upon advertisement. Sometimes in years of peace a small loan has been given out upon ordinary advertisement ; but it was shown in those cases that the bonds after they were sold advanced, and the bankers who bought them made two, three, or four per cent, profit, resulting from the fact that in the sale of bonds by public advertisement the bankers have a monppoly of the market. Hence it has been customary in our loan laws to author- ize the employment of agents in Europe and in the United States to any number that the Secretary might deem proper. In the fifth section of the bill, which is the one immediately before the Senate, there is a question of great difficulty. It is simply a ques- tion of dollars and cents, not one of national pride. This Government has several times heretofore authorized foreign loans, and has paid them in guilders, francs, and in sterling money. Many of the States of this country, some of them in the highest credit, as for instance the State of Massachusetts, have negotiated foreign loans in sterling. Many of the leading railroad companies of the United States negotiate their loans abroad in sterling. Why ? Because they can save money by it. I have no doubt that you could sell a four per cent, bond payable in francs in the valley of the Rhine or in France at as high a rate as you can sell a four and a half per cent, bond payable in American coin, be- cause the holders of these bonds in Europe are generally small capital- ists. The correspondence M'hich is submitted to me here shows that American bonds are now held in sums of from one hundred to five tlionsand dollars by the peasantry, by the small farmei-s, by the people of limited means scattered iill through Europe. The question with them is, what tenns can you make ? FUNDING BILL. 271 "When you propose to pay them off in gold the queBtion is, what kind of bonds will they be willing to take ? If you offer them a bond payable in a kind of currency that they know all about — francs, thalers, or sterling — they will take it at a less rate of interest ; they can afford to do it. The coupons are now sold by these proprietors to the banker in Frankfort ; they then go to Amsterdam, and finally come to New York, and are cashed in American gold. But if you could pay ojBE the small bolders in the remote portions of Europe or in the centers of European capital with four per cent, in gold of their own coinage, they would much prefer it, and it would be much better for them to have such a bond than even a five per cent. bond. There is no difficulty in paying the money abroad. The rate of exchange never varies more than one or two per cent. We can place the money in the European money markets almost without cost. Sometimes exchange is against us ; sometimes it is for us ; but the general average varies very little. The cost would be trifling. The cost of the agencies in Europe would be nothing. There is not a banker in Europe who would not do all that is necessary to be done under the provisions of this bill without a single dollar of cost to the Treasury, because the very fact that a bank- ing house in Europe was selected by the American Government for the purpose of paying the interest on a portion of its debt would give that house credit, and it would not only be glad to do the busmess for nothing, but would pay interest on the amount remaining on credit from day to day. That is now the ordinary course of business. It is the means by which we pay all the expenses of our foreign intercourse. I think, therefore, this fifth section may enable the Secretary of the Treasury to sell a good many four per cent, bonds in Europe at par. At any rate, it will enable him to sell four and a haK per cent, bonds there at par ; but without it I very much fear he will not be able to sell any bonds in Europe bearing a less r9,te than five per cent. The difference between four and four and a half per cent, will be lost to the owner of the bond by the exchange he has to pay in various forms before the coupon is sent to New York, there cashed, and the money remitted to him. All this is done at his expense. If, by trans- mitting the money for interest in bulk, say $1,000,000 or $2,000,000 at a time, to a recognized banker in Europe, who can secure the Treasury Department by the deposit of bonds, or in some other way, because all this is left to the Secretary, we can save interest in the negotiation of our loans, we shall be very unwise not to do it. Sometimes, in answer to this argument of saving money for the Government, the American flag is flaunted in our faces. Why, sir, it is not any dishonor to the Government of the United States to pay wherever it agrees to pay. In the original loan law of Alexander Hamilton we provided for interest on the old foreign loan. So in the war of 1812 and in 1819 we provided for the negotiation of foreign loans. We saved one half of one per cent, in interest on a considerable amount of our foreign debt by paying it abroad, and our fathers did not consider it a disgrace to do so. The Kussian Government does it. It is said that France and England do not do it, and perhaps Prus- sia does not do it. Why ? Because those three countries are located 272 SPEECHES AND REPORTS OE JOHN SHERMAN. just in the center of the money of Europe and there is therefore no* occasion for their doing it ; and besides, their debts are held at home. I wish that our debt was all held here, and that our citizens were re- ceiving the interest. I would rather pay a little more to our own citizens than to foreigners. But the fact is that we are now paying six per cent, interest in gold to foreigners, and bankers are discounting our coupons at a loss of three, four, or five per cent, to the holders of the coupons in some cases. We sometimes glory in our American coin. The five-dollar half eagle is worth more than twenty-five francs, more than a pound ster- ling ; and yet let any American traveler go" abroad with a haK eagle in his pocket and he will find that it is not worth as much as twenty-five francs or a pound sterling. The pound sterling is worth but $4.84 of our money, and a twenty-five-franc piece is worth considerably less than five dollars ; but the actual exchange made by the discount of bankers makes the American lose always when abroad. Now, if we can get the benefit of this difference by paying a portion of our public debt abroad in foreign currencies, why should we not do it ? But after all this matter is left to the discretion of the Secretary of the Treasury. No one can say how much of the loan wiU be nego- tiated abroad ; but if a portion of it is issued under the fifth section of this bill it will only be because a considerable sum of money can be saved to the people of the United States. My opinion, therefore, is that it is wise to leave this discretion with the Secretary of the Trea- sury. It has been left in almost every loan law. In the laws that were passed during the war the same authority was conferred upon Secretary Chase, Secretary Fessenden, and Secretary McCulloch. They were authorized to negotiate bonds in Europe as well as in America. In the first loan law of the war, under which the bonds of 1881 were issued, we authorized the Secretary to make the interest payable in any country in Europe. The Secretary thought it was best not to pay it abroad at that time ; but the matter was left to his discretion in the law. I have before me the act of July 17, 1861 ; and the fifth section of that act provides — That the Secretary of the Treasury may, if he deem it advisable, negotiate any portion of said loan, not exceeding $100,000,000, in any foreign country, and paya- ble at any designated place either in the United States or in Europe, and may issue registered or coupon bonds for the amount thus negotiated, agreeably to the pro- visions of this act, bearing interest, payable semi-annually either in the United States or at any designated place in Europe ; and he is further authorized to ap- point such agent or agents as he may deem necessary for negotiating snch loan under Ids instructions, and for paying the interest on the same, and to fix the com- pensation of such agent or agents, and shall prescribe to them all the rules, regula- tions, and modes under which such loan shall be negotiated, and shall have power to fix the rate of exchange at which the principal shaJl be received from the con- tractors for the loan ; and the exchange for the payment of the principal and inter- est in Europe shall be at the same rate. This section gave to Secretory Chase far more power, so far as a foreign loan was concerned, than is conferred by the fifth section of this act. Now, shall we take away from the present Secretary that discretion ? II o may not exercise it. The very fact that he has the FUNDING BILL. ' 273 power to go into a foreign market and negotiate a loan may be a lever by which he can negotiate the domestic loan. He may decline to ne- fotiate the loan, but the very fact that he has the power to go to lurope, and place a bond payable there, principal and interest, may enable him to negotiate a bond at a less rate of interest. Mr. President, there is not a single thing in this bill, from begin- ning to end, conferring a discretion on the Secretary of the Treasury, which has not been conferred heretofore in repeated laws ; and the question is whether you will put upon him a task that he may be unable to execute with all the power you can give him, and deny to him the ordinary facihties and powers that have been conferred re- peatedly upon other Seeretai-ies ? If you do, you will defeat this bill by indirection, and thus prevent the saving to the people of the United States of a large sum of money and the reduction of the interest on the pubhc debt ; and the responsibility will not rest on him ; it will rest on you. The bill was further discussed, when, in reply to Mr. Conlding, Mr. Sherman said: No Secretary of the Treasury would undertake to issue new bonds for the purpose of funding any of the existing debt of the United States on the authority of the act of April 12, 1866. That act was desimed for a limited purpose, that of enabling the Secretary of the Treasury to fund the floating debt of the tmited States which was then in the form of five per cent, certificates and various other forms of floating indebtedness, and that purpose has been accom- plished ; the seven-thirty notes then outstanding have been converted, in pursuance of the authority conferred on the holdere of the notes, into five-twenty bonds, and all the floating debt of the United States at that time has been converted into five-twenty bonds, so that the functions of the act have ceased and determined. The act in its nature was a temporary one, and merely extended the provisions of the act of March 3, 1865, for the purpose of funding the floating debt of the United States. That act refers to, and the only bonds to which it could refer are, the five-twenty bonds authorized by the act of Febru- ary 25, 1862, and the ten-forty bonds authorized by the act of March, 1864. They were authorized to be issued for the purpose of funding the fioating debt, and that has been accomphshed. No one would undertake to execute this great task under the authority of that act. No Secretary would dare do it. No person would buy the bonds on an authority of that kind. The attempt to issue $1,000,000,000 under the authority of that act would at once be arrested by legal objections and denial of the authority ; and no Secretary would undertake it. The Senator states the case a little too strongly, it seems to me, when he makes the allegation that no debt of the United States has ever been payable in foreign coin. The original debt of the revolution which existed at the time of the framing of the Government was pay- able in French coin, and was so paid. The first act on the subject, known as the great act for the support of the public credit, contains a provision protecting the old foreign debt and requiring it to be paid. 18 274 SPEECHES AND REPORTS OF JOHN SHERMAN. Under the act which provided for the payment of the stock for the purchase of Louisiana I find this provision : Tliat the annual interest accruing on the said stock, which may be in conformity with the convention aforesaid be payable in Europe, shall be paid at the rate of four shillings and sixpence sterling for each dollar if payable in London, or at the rate of two guilders and one half of a guilder, current money of Holland, if payable in Am- sterdam. It is true that this was the purchase money of Louisiana ; but there is also a provision authorizing a foreign loan in the act of 1819, though my impression is that no debt was actually created under that act. Also, in the act of 1861, under which the bonds of 1881 were issued, there is the fullest possible authority to issue a foreign loan. It is true that that loan was never issued because Secretary Chase found he could not negotiate it on favorable terms. Indeed, at the time of the passage of that act Confederate bonds were worth more in the London market than our own, and the attempt to negotiate a foreign loan failed. Mr. President, the question before us is simply this : whether in order to save about one fourth or one fifth of the interest paid upon the public debt we are willing to pay the coupons abroad. The small property-holders who hold our bonds abroad would greatly prefer a loan payable in their own currency ; and not merely the Secretary of the Treasury, but many intelligent men who are familiar with this business believe that a four per cent, bond payable in the currency of foreign countries, where the debt is now held, would sell as readily as a five or a four and one half per cent, bond payable in American coin,' if the coupons have to be sent to the United States to be collected. The saving to the United States is illustrated by the simplest sum in arithmetic, which any schoolb9y can cipher out. If we negotiated a $1,000 bond at four per cent, the annual interest would be forty dollars, and the cost of transmitting that interest from New York to any port in Europe would not exceed forty cents or one per cent. The average rate of exchange is f roni one fourth of one per cent, to one per cent. ; taking the highest rate, it would cost forty cents to remit that forty dollars to Amsterdam, in Holland. Thus the cost to the Government of the payment of the interest on a $1,000 bond would be $40.40. If on the other hand a domestic bond of $1,000 is issued, it will cost in United States coin paid at our Treasury fifty dollars at five per cent. ; or if a four and one half per cent, bond is issued, the cost of paying it in New York will be forty-five dollars. Then if a foreign loan is negotiated under the provisions of the sec- tion as I have now amended it, we shall save at least one tenth of the interest on the foreign debt, and perhaps one fifth of the interest on so much of the debt as is payable abroad. This question of striking out the eighth section has been constantly pressed upon us since the opening of this debate. I do not intend to discuss it at any length, simply because each Senator must have made lip liis mind by this time upon the subject. No injustice is done to the banks. The right to amend the bankmg law M*as carefully reserved. Many changes have been made from time to time, and many changes must be made in tlie future. The right to change, and to require them FUNDING BILL. 2T5 to change, their securities is expressly reserved. There are many pro- visions of the banking law by which they can be required to increase the amount of securities now held by them. They may withdraw or change their securities at pleasure, and under the provisions of the act we may require them to increase the securities deposited. Now, what is the hardship complained of ?. We are about to resume specie payments. "We are about to negotiate our bonds at par in gold bearing interest at five per cent. "We all know from the state of the money market that we can do so. All the bonds held by these banks are redeemable at our pleasure, except $59,000,000 ; $280,000,000 of their bonds are now practically redeemable at the pleasure of the Uni- ted States. They hold, it is true, a large amount of ten-forty bonds, but they are payable at a lower rate of interest. There is no trouble or difficulty about them. Only $59,000,000 of all the bonds held W the banks are bonds that would bear a premium in the market. "We do not deprive them of that premium., We leave them the right to sell the bonds and receive the premium. We do not even require them to exchange their five-twenty bonds. Th^ can if they choose sell them, or they can retain them in their vaults. But we do require that, as the basis of a privilege the most extensive that has ever been granted to any set of private corporations in the wide world, they shall give as se- curity the bonds of the United States which we are now about to oiier. What do we give them in exchange ? We give them upon purchas- ing these bonds the right to issue four fifths of their amount in money, and we give them the monopoly of that right. We are about to with- draw from circulation the greenbacks of the country. We are about to retire and cancel our notes by the provisions of this act. We are about to give them the monopoly of the circulation of this country, the sole and exclusive privilege of issuing paper money. We have destroyed the State banks. And now what do we require in return ? That they shall join us in reducing the burdens of the public debt ; that they shall bear some little of their share of the loss of income which every holder of the public securities must suffer. Sir, national banks would be very unwise, indeed, to make an issue on this question. If any man here is a friend of the national-bank system I certainly can claim to be. I was here at its cradle, introduced the original banking bill and advocated it, and also introduced the amendment to it, conducted it, and saw it passed. But if I believed now that the banks of the United States were unwilling to aid us in reducing the rate of interest on the public debt to the extent of the limited sacrifices they are called upon by this bill to make, I should certainly change very much my opinion of them and of the whole sys- tem, t do not believe there is any practical difficulty in the way ; nor do they lose by it if five per cents are worth par in gold. Wnat do they lose by taking one thu-d of these bonds at five per cent., another third at four and a half per cent., and another third at four per cent. ? They possibly lose one half of one per cent, of the interest on the bonds ; that is all. But before this scheme can succeed at all it must be on the basis that five per cent, bonds are worth at least par in gold. We require them when we surrender to them the privilege of issuing 276 SPEECHES AND REPORTS OF JOHN SHERMAN. all the paper money of this country to reduce the rate of interest on their bonds one half of one per cent, on the average. Is that a hard- ship ? I think not. W hen my honorable friend from Maine was complaining that we were taking these banks by the throat and forcing them to do a great many things that were wrong, he forgot that the privilege we conferred upon them, and which they hold at our favor, is one of the most im- portant franchises ever granted to private corporations. I did not expect that this section of the bill would be attacked from the quarter that it has been, but I expected that it would be attacked from another quarter on a political point, on the ground that we were about to with- draw the favorite currency of the people and fund it, and get it out of the way and give to the national banks so important a franchise. That was the point upon which I was prepared to show that the national bank currency was the best that could possibly be devised.. But I did not suppose that in the interest of the national banks, or rather because of the alleged hardships to the national banks of a slight reduction of one half of one per cent, of the interest on their bonds, any complaint would be made. Why, sir, $92,000,000 of bonds now deposited aa security bear but five per cent. I have the report before me showing that the ten-forty bonds are now the basis of this circulation and are filed to the amount of $91,579,000. The banks, if they make the ex- changes provided by this bill, will lose one half of one per cent, of the interest on their bonds, and they will receive a bond exempt from all income tax, with many privileges, as the Senator from New York showed yesterday, that the ten-forty did not have. When they surrender their ten-forty bonds, which are redeemable in 1874, they receive a bond which runs fifteen years without the possi- bility of redemption, a bond entirely free from income or other tax by State or national authority. For all that and for the monopoly of the privilege of issuing paper money they yield us one half of one per cent, on the interest of their bonds. To call that a hardship it seems to me is to use a misnomer. When we give them a bond beaiing five per cent, interest in gold, we give them a bond that is worth pai' in gold ; and when we pay their six per cent, bonds off in gold, we onl}' do what we have a right to do under the very terms of the bond. There is not now a bond filed by the banks as a security for their circulating notes that is not redeemable at the pleasure of the United States, except the bonds of 1881 and the ten-forty bonds ; and we pro- pose either to let them sell their bonds in open market or aid us in this freat scheme to reduce interest on the public debt, by a sacrifice of one alf of one per cent. It seems to me that to defeat this bill, or the portion of it which provides for the funding of $400,000,000 of the new loan, on the plea of injustice to the national banks, would endan- ger the banking system ; it would be an act of injustice to the people of this country. And I have this to sny as to the bankei-s of my own State, that to this hour, altliough tlii'y are affected by the operations of thin bill, and I should be the person above all others to whom they would address tlieir complaints, not one of them has complained of the operation of the bill ; but as far as I know they have given it their hearty assent. FUNDING BILL. 2V7 Sir, the only objection made to this section of the bill is that it is a hardship to the banks. It is no hardship, it is a great benefit to them. It secures the national banking system from ultimate overthrow, in my judgment, and will give us a stable currency, bring us back rapidly to specie payments, withdraw from the currency the now dishonored United States notes, fund them, and retire them to give place to a circulation founded on Government securities. All the sacrifice that is required of these banks is the possible surrender on the average of one half of one per cent, of the interest upon their bonds. They will enjoy on an average upon these bonds four and a half per cent. ; and no one can doubt that in three, four, five, or six years after this process of funding has been completed, after the first class of bonds has been sold at par in gold, after the banks have exchanged their bonds and funded them to the amount of $345,000,000, the quantity now held by them, that the four and a half per cent, bonds will be at par in gold. But there is another important thing to be remembered, that the provisions you are now about to apply to the old banks are also applica- ble to the new. You do by this bill substantially incorporate banks to the amount of $356,000,000, if people desire to go into the banking business. You open the system, make it free to the extent at least of the amount of legal tenders, and there you furnish another market for the bonds provided for in the bill, taking the old banks and the new, for if new banks are organized on the greenbacks now outstanding, you will have a banking basis of some $655,000,000, furnishing a mar- ket for at least this amount of bonds. Now, Mr. President, it seems to me that so important a measure as this ought not to be sacrificed merely on the plea of hardship to the nation^ banks, who of all classes have during the last six or seven years certainly received a reasonable and fair profit on their investments and their enterprise. They ought not to obstruct this measure. ^ Their in- terest is promoted by it. And I was a little surprised at a remark made by my honorable friend from Connecticut, who I know is as just a man as lives. After declaiming against this section because of the hardship to the national banks, he said he could not vote for any proposition that would make a national bank take a bond bearing five, four and a half, or four per cent, interest ; and then, without reflecting upon the position in which that placed him, he said he would be very willing to see here the system adopted in England, by which every trustee would be required to invest his trust funds in Government securities, and in these very securities. That is, he woidd require trustees to invest the funds of the widow and the orphan in these bonds bearing a low rate of interest ; and yet he would not compel the national banks to take this same class of bonds. Mr. President, it is my belief that the national banks ought to and will heartily assent to this new arrangement. A defeat of this propo- sition is the substantial defeat of the whole funding scheme, because if we may not require the banks which enjoy the benefit of a privilege granted by the Government, and held at our pleasure, to take these bonds within one year, with what face can we go into the market and ask the people to give us gold at par for them ? It is said that the 278 SPEECHES AND REPORTS OF JOHN SHERMAN. theory of the pending bill is that it will succeed, that the bonds can be floated at par, and that then the Government will be in possession of the avails of the bonds ; and it is suggested that all the bonds belonging to the banks being redeemable, except the ten-forties and the 1881p, these avails might be used to redeem the bonds belonging to the banks, leaving the banks, like individuals, free to pursue the business of bank- ing or not as they please ; and if they do pursue it, of course the laws of trade as well as the laws of Congress would require them to possess themselves of the only bonds then to be had for the purpose. My answer to this is very simple. So far as the five per cent, bonds are concerned we do not thank the banks or anybody else to take them. They will be taken in any money market of the world. But we do require them to take a portion of the four and a half and a por- tion of the four per cent, bonds which can not now be sold at par in gold. That is the only advantage and the only aid the banks render to this whole funding scheme. We compel them, as we have a right to do, to purchase one third of these bonds at four per cent, which we can not now probably sell in the market, and one third of the four and a half per cents, and in that way we do ask them substantially to sac- rifice one half of one per cent, on the amount of bonds they purchase, the average rate being four and a half per cent. ; and in this way we give the bonds circulation, give them a credit they would not other- wise have. What is the' cost of that ? What do we give them in re- turn for this ? The right of issuing all the paper money of the United States ; the right to draw interest, not only upon the bonds deposited with us belonging to them, but the right to draw interest on four fifths of that amount in paper money. And the honorable Senator who now occupies the chair complained that this enormous privilege was given to them too cheaply. He proposed to make all their bonds four per cent, bonds ; in other words, to require them to surrender one per cent, interest instead of one half of one per cent. Mr. President, under these circumstances I do think this bill is as favorable to the banking system as it could possibly be. We require the banks to surrender nothing but the small margin of one half of one per cent, on the amount oi the bonds held by them. The taking by them of these three new classes of bonds will tend vastly to pro- mote the credit and the value of the bonds. It will furnish a market for them, and in return for that the banks enjoy the privilege of fur- nishing paper money printed at the expense of the United States, is- sued at our cost, printed by us, guaranteed by us, and of using and cir- culating this paper money and loaning it to their customer. It seems to me, therefore, that any opposition to this section ought not to come from those who represent the national banks ; but if there is any ob- jection to it it ought to be that this privilege should not be given to them so readily, but that they ought to surrender a little more in return for so valuable a franchise. The subject has been so often debated that I will consume only a few moments of time in presenting distinctly the question which I think is the most important one embraced in this bill. My honorable friend from Indiana, ever since he has been an able and honored mem- FUNDING BILL. 279 ber of this body, has been continnally haunted by the fear of contrac- tion. It is a word with him of evil import. Now, Mr. President, I do not want to contract the currency one dollar, but I want to resume specie payments, and to avail ourselves of the favorable state of the money niarket and of the condition of the times with that object in view. This is a bill not only to fund the public debt, but to bring jbout specie payments without material contraction. We know very well that a proposition to retire the whole mass of greenbacks would be met here not only by my friend from Indiana but by a general public sentiment, and therefore we have in- serted in this bill the smallest modicum of provision toward specie payments. There is in this bill only one clause that does look toward resump- tion. "What is it ? We give to every holder of a greenback, which is the dishonored promise of the nation,. the right to present it at the Treasury of the United States and convert it into a bond bearing four per cent, interest in gold. My honorable friend thinks that will contract the currency. Does he suppose that in the present state of the money market everybody holding greenbacks wiU be eager to rush to the Treasury for four per cent, bonds ? I do not believe that greenbacks wiU be funded into bonds to the extent of $5,000,000 in the course of a year. The sec- tion is so framed as to be the most moderate proposition of the kind that could be made. If I had my own way in the matter I would treat the note-holder precisely like the bond-holder ; I would say to the note- holder, "You can convert your note into any form of bond provided for in this bill." That would at once provide for a mode of retiring greenbacks and provide another circulation in their place. But that is not the proposition. The proposition is simply to give to the holder of our dishonored promise the right to convert it into a bond. Why should we not ? Is it not honest ? Clearly so. We are bound to pay the note in gold. Nobody has disputed that proposition. Why do we not do it ? Is it said we can not do it ? My honorable friend from In- diana will hardly say we can not pay the note now. With our improved credit we are able to pay it. Sir, we are bound in honor and honesty if we can not pay the note in gold to do the next best thing. We can give note-holders at least a bond bearing interest in gold; and now we give them the smallest bond, the bond least burdensome, one at the lowest rate of interest ever proposed in the United States of America, in payment of a debt past due, that is daily dishonored. It seems to me that so simple a proposition ought not to startle or alarm any one. The Senator him- self, I suppose, will admit that the process of contraction under this bill will be very slow. The holders of the greenbacks wiU not hurry to the Treasury to convert them into four per cent, bonds. The ques- tion may be asked, what is the benefit, then, in the provision ? The benefit is that in no possible state of the money market will the green- back be depreciated below the market value of a four per cent. bond. It is the virtue of this provision in the bill, together with a favorable turn in the money market, that has now brought us to the condition 280 SPEECHES AND REP0BT8 OF JOHN SHERMAN. of affairs when our note is within ten per cent, of gold. It is only the manifest purpose on the part of Congress to redeem and give addi- tional value to the greenback that makes the money market favorable. Why, sir, since the time when we suspended the right to contract the currency or retire the greenbacks until the beginning of this ses- sion the depreciation in our currency was from thirty to sixty cents on the dollar. It is only when we are again talking about restoring to the greenback the privilege of being funded into a bond, giving it an ad- ditional value in this way, that we can approach within sight of specie payments. It is the very propositions pending in the Senate, the very propositions contained in this bill, that have brought us so near now to this end. Why should we refuse to the holder of the greenback the right to convert it into a bond? We give the holders of all our inter- est-bearing obligations that right. We give the holder of the five- twenties and ten-forties on the terms prescribed in this bill a chance to exchange, provided we make something by it. Why should we dis- criminate against the favorite debt of the people ? Why should we not give it an additional value ? I never could answer the question myself except by raising the phantom of contraction which disturbs the brain of the honorable Senator from Indiana. But to meet that we have provided that there need be no contraction. For every dollar of green- backs converted into bonds or surrendered, one dollar of bank currency may take its place. Under the tenth section of the biU anybody can present these greenbacks and get national currency and organize new banks, and then the greenbacks are canceled. If the greenbacks float into the Treasury under the third section of the bill they are not canceled ; they are held in the Treasury, and may be paid out in the ordinary operations of the Government, with this condition only, that by it the amount of the debt shall not be increased. Our surplus revenue now is a gold revenue. That surplus revenue can be applied to the payment of bonds or the purchase of bonds in the open market, as has been done almost daily for some time past. We have no surplus revenue in greenbacks. Indeed, we have not enough revenue in greenbacks to pay the ordinary expenses of the Government in greenbacks. The surplus is gold, and we sell the gold and convert it into greenbacks, and with the proceeds buy in our bonds. If the money floats into the Treasury in exchange for bonds, that money may be used in the ordinary operations of the Government if there* is oc- casion to use it ; but if, on the other hand, there is no occasion to use it, if there is more money in the Treasury than is necessary to carry on the operations of the Government, it may be retired. Contraction will take place only when the greenback is worth less in market value than a four per cent, bond ; then, and then only, will it come into the Trea- surer. Until tlien there can be no contraction of the cnn-ency, and no retirement of the greenbaclcs. It is to guard against possible deprecia- tion, to give the greenbacks steadiness in the money market, that this measure is so vitally necessary. Wliy, sir, if this provision had been contained in the law last September wjicn the stock gamblers were en- deavoring to break up the business men of the country they would have been defeated at tlie outset, when they ran greenbacks down to_ FUNDING BILL. ;' 281 about seventy cents on the dollar, or sixty cents, which I think they reached. If they had undertaken such a movement as that in the face of this provision of law the greenbacks would have had the market value of four per cent, bonds, and those speculators would have been broken long before the Government gold was thrown on the market. Mr. President, all there is of specie payments in this bill is con- tained in these simple words ; and if the Senate is not willing to do thus much to give value to the security of the note-holder, the nagain the note will drift off, valuable only for the payment of taxes. Eow, the United States Government refuses to take this note for any pur- pose except for taxes. Tou do not give it any value; you do not promise to pay it ; you do not fix a time when you will pay it ; you do not authorize it to be received for customs dues ; you do not authorize it to be received in payment of bonds ; you will not take it at all ; you dishonor it ; you stamp it with infamy by refusing it in almost every form possible. And now, when we propose to give to it the additional value of making it at least equal to a four per cent, bond, we are met by a phantom fear. Mr. President, I would not regard it as a misfortune if fifty or one hundred million dollars of greenbacks should float into these four per cent, bonds. We 'can never redeem them so cheaply again. The Sen- ator is willing to sell four per cents, even five per cents, at par in gold. Why does he not give the holders of greenbacks now four per cent, bonds if they are willing to take them ? If we were now back to specie payments, an object we all desire, but few seem really to wish to come to, the holder of a greenback could present it and de- mand his gold and silver coin. We are now offering to borrow the gold and silver coin at five per cent., giving oiir bonds for it. Why not, then, shorten the process by dealing at once with the holder of our legal tenders, and give him a bond payable at four per cent., and thus save the difference ? It is idle to talk about specie payments either now or in the future, when you refuse to give for the greenbacks an obligation of the Gov- ernment bearing four per cent, interest in gold. Sir, this measure, as far as this point is concerned, is a weak one. The note-holder ought to have more privileges than are conferred by this bill ; but the fear of contraction, of a disturbance of the business relations of the country, as an effect of a sudden return to specie payments, must be guarded against, as we have endeavored to do. We have, then, given to the greenback some productive value, the least productive value that has ever been proposed in this country since its formation ; that is, the right to be converted into a bond bearing four per cent, interest. If you are not willing to do that much to strengthen the market value of the greenback, then you proclaim that it is good for nothing except to pay a small portion of the taxes of the United States ; not good to pay duties on imported goods ; not good to pay interest on the public debt ; not good for anything untu in some distant future the United States may hoard enough gold in the Treasury to resume specie payments. Mr. President, this question is simple, although very important in 282 SPEECHES AND REPOETS OK JOHN SHERMAN. its effects. The vote of the Senate on this question will have far more effect on the resumption of specie payments than any vote that has been taken at the present session. If we now again dissever the con- nection between the note and the bond, we allow the note to float on the market a mere toy for speculators, to be raised or lowered at their pleasure. But if we now tie it to our public credit, tie it to the mar- ket value of the bonds, we shall have anchored it to a sure foundation, where it may rest in the hands of the people, to be floated into the Treasury in payment of bonds until all that are left — and nearly all will be left — will be paid in gold and silver coin when we resume spe- cie payments. To avoid the possible evils of withdrawing the cur- rency, or any portion of it, from the circulation of the country, we have providea for free banking. Any association of individuals may present these greenbacks, or the bonds provided for by this act, to the Treasurer of the United States, and receive and issue circulating notes, and then and only then an equal amount of greenbacks is canceled under the operation of this act. This measure, simple as it is, I think will have a beneflcial effect. But if this is stricken out, the effect of the bill as far as specie payments are concerned is destroyed. After which the bill was furtlier debated, amended, and passed. The bill as passed by the Senate was disagreed to by the House, and a committee of conference appointed, whose report was not concurred in, and a second com- mittee of conference agreed to, and their report was submitted by Mr. Sherman, who made the following brief explanation : I desire the attention of the Senate while I make a brief statement in regard to this very important bill. The controversy between the two Houses as to the funding bill related principally to three matters : first, as to the description of ihe bonds ; second, as to the mode of negotiation ; and third, as to their operation upon national banks. The House of Representatives provided for a four per cent, thirty-year bond. The Senate provided for three classes of bonds, at five, four and a half, and four per cent. We have adjusted that matter by providing for three classes of bonds of the description provided for in the Senate bill, but have limited the amount of five per cent, bonds to $200,000,000, of four and a half per cent, to $300,000,000, and the residue, §1,000.- 000,000, must be four per cent, bonds running for thirty yeai-s. The second question was as to the mode of negotiation. The House provided for no means of negotiation, no agencies and no facilities. The Senate had opposed the appointment of agents, and the adver- tising of the loan, etc., and limited the expenditure to one half of one per cent. We have agreed to a modification which places the one half of one per cent, at the disposal of the Secretary oi the Treasury for the negotiation of the loan ; so that in substance it is the proposition of the Senate. As to the national banks, wc had a great 'deal of trouble. The original section in the funding bill, as it passed the Senate, required that nil the national banks should substitute thcnew bonds for the old. Tlusro was, as I think, a very unreasonable and unnecessary clamor raised by the banks against that provision. I was sorry to see it. In FUNDING BILL. 283 the House bill there was no provision made in regard to the national banks. But when we came into conference the House cojnferees them- selves proposed that the new banks to be organized under the currency act which recently passed should be upon the new description of Jbonds ; a provision which was manifestly just in itself and not unjust to the banks. That was a proposition made by the conferees of the House, and we agreed to it. When the bill went back to the House, it seems that some of the very gentlemen who were so much opposed to our section about the national banks attacked the report of the committee on the ground that it did not extend this provision in regard to the new banks to the old ones. The contest thus sprang up on the proposition proposed by the House conferees, and the bill was defeated, after de- bate, upon this proposition. The second committee of conference, being composed of the same gentlemen, had but one of two courses to pursue : either to restore the section proposed by the Senate originally, which we thought was the better way, or to omit all reference to national banks in the bill. In view of the action of the House we concluded that it was better to strike out the seventh section of the bill entirely, leaving the old and new banks upon the same footing, and leaving the national banks en- tirely at hberty to help or to mar the funding of the public debt. 1 wish now to record my deliberate judgment that in this conclu- sion, to which we have been compelled to arrive by the action of the House, we are doing the national banks a great injury, which will im- pair their influence and power among the people, and that the oppo- sition of the national banks to this provision, which would have re- quired them to aid in the funding of the public debt, wiU tend more to weaken and destroy them than anything that has transpired since their .organization. I do not see how we can go before the people of the United States and ask them to lend us gold at par for our bonds, when we refuse to require agencies of our own creation to take them ; when we even refuse to require new banks not yet organized to take the new bonds, and when we refuse to require old banks, which have made on the average from fifteen to twenty per cent, annually upon the franchise derived from the United States, to aid us to this extent in funding the public debt. But, sir, the vote of the House shows the power of the national banks. It is so great, at least in the House, that in order to secure a funding bill we have been compelled to abandon all provisions in regard to the national banks ; but I give notice that in the future I for one shall be prepared at all times to require the national banks to take that class of bonds which we propose in this bill, and I have no doubt this will be the result. But for the present, in deference to the wishes of the House, we have withdrawn the section in regard to national banks. This bill became the Refunding Act of July 14, 1870. 284 SPEECHES AND REPORTS OF JOHN SHERMAN. EEOEIPTS AND EXPENDITUKES— EEDUOTIOIS"- OF TAXATION. IN THE SENATE, MAY S3, 1870. The Senate, as in Committee of the Whole, having under consideration the bill making appropriations for the legislative, executive, and judicial expenses of the Government for the year ending the 80th of June, 1871, Mr. Sherman said : Me. Peesident : This appropriation bill is the first of a series that will bring before us every branch of the expenditures of the National Government. It may be well before we enter into their details to take a general view of our expenditures, and of such measures of taxation as will be necessary to raise the vast sums about to be appropriated. Taxes and appropriations are inseparably associated. They are the pleasing and painful sides of financial legislation. If to appropriate money was the " end all and be all " of this and kindred billfi, it would be the most gratifying employment in the world. We could indulge in the luxuries of art and the fancies of statesmanship; we could erect temples for custom-houses, and cover the ocean with our subsidized steamers ; we could increase our salaries, and buy all the islands adjacent to our continent. But unhappily we can only appro- priate what we first collect by taxation, and taxation is a painful pro- cess at best, in its nature unequal, and generally inflicting more injury to the individual than it confers benefit upon the people. Every ap- propriation bill is a tax bill, and every item added is a draft upon the earnings and labor of our citizens, to which is superadded the cost of collection. If the money is borrowed, then interest is added, and interest is as consuming to the resources of a nation as it is to an individual. It never rests or sleeps. The estimates upon which these appropriation bills are founded are made annually by bureau clerks nearly one year before the com- mencement of the fiscal year for which they are made, and by law are submitted to us at the beginning of each session. A general re- sume of these for tlie year may be found on pages 240 to 244 of the book of estimates, as follows : Legislative department 8^,833,891 40 Executive department 21,321,804 00 Judicial department 1,576,990 00 Military department ' 8S,845,T47 76 Naval department 24,698,277 37 Indians 6,048,334 61 Pensions 30,490,000 00 Miscellaneous 6,531,267 83 Public worlts 24,625,178 66 Postal appropriations (deficiency) ". 6,427,131 21 Annual appropriations $165,297,617 62 Permanent appropriations, mainly collection of customs and postal service.' 5,110,000 00 Other indefinite permanent appropriations, as drawbaclta, excess of duties, bounties, etc 9,031,300 00 Interest of public debt 129,077,815 00 Total $298,516,782 62 RECEIPTS AND EXPENDITURES. 285 A palpable error occurred in tlie postal estimates, but this I have corrected in the statement read. The great mass of these estimates is to carry into effect existing laws, and can only be reduced by a change of the law. All the appropriations for public works, and some of the appropriations for other heads of expenditure, amounting in the aggregate to more than iifty million dollars, depend upon, and may be increased or diminished in, the annual appropriation bills. The amount estimated by the Secretary of the Treasury in his annual report for the service of the next fiscal year is $291,000,000, made up as follows : Civil service and misoellaneoua $60,000,000 Pensions and Indians 36,000,000 War Department 60,000,000 Navy Department 18,000,000 Interest on the public debt 127,000,000 Total $291,000,000 The difference between the two estimates is readily explained, and consists mainly of his reduction of estimates for public works; but the actual appropriation will depend upon the economy or liberality of Congress. I shall be gratified if the appropriations are kept within the estimates of the Secretary of the Treasury. l^ow, in these estimates there are elements of uncertainty growing out of other causes than the action of Congress ; and some of these de- mand an immediate legislative remedy. Under the law and the prac- tice of the departments unexpended balances of appropriation for one year are carried over to the credit of that fund in the next year. Thus we may appropriate a specific sum for the pay of transportation in the army, enough in the judgment of Congress for that purpose; yet a much larger sum may be expended by adding to the new appropriation the balances of former appropriations. It is at this moment difficult to estimate what balance of unexpended appropriations will remain on the 1st of July next, and it Was much more difficult to estimate such balance in October last. The actual balance of unexpended appropria- tions on the 1st of July last was $102,390,159.3T, of which $41,548,- 477.30 were for the War Department, and $26,532,453.94 for the In- terior Department, or more than one full year's appropriations for each of those departments. Indeed, their " balances " were nearly as large as the whole appropriations for the present fiscal year, thus giving the departments two years' supplies for one. I refer Senators for further information upon this subject to Executive Document No. 155, House of Kepresentatives. Here we have an element of uncertainty, which explains why the appropriations are not the limit of expenditures. The only way to cor- rect this is by carrying all the balances of appropriations at the end of the fiscal year to the surplus fund ; then the expenditures can never exceed the appropriations for that year. This reform has been adopted by the Senate in an amendment reported by the Committee on Finance to this bill, by confining these balances to expenditures included in the fiscal year for which they are appropriated. If unforeseen wants should arise, they can be provided for by deficiency biUs ; but with the present practice there is not sufficient check upon expenditure. I know of 286 SPEECHES AND REPORTS OF JOHN" SHERMAN. heads of appropriations kept alive in this way ever since the war, that would not for a moment be authorized in an annual appropriation biU now. Another element of uncertainty grows out of the authority during the war to transfer appropriations from one head of expenditure to an- other. This ought not now to be allowed in any case. The history of these transfers is a curious one. The Constitution of the United States provides that no money shall be drawn from the Treasury but in con- sequence of appropriations made by law. This highly important and fundamental provision has frequently been evaded under the specious device of a transfer of appropriations, authorized from time to time by different acts of Congress. This was cured by the deficiency biU of February 12, 1868, which repeals all acts authorizing such transfers, and provides that no money appropriated for one purpose shall here- after be used for any other purpose than that for which it was appro- priated. We had a case in point last summer, when our adventurous Admiral of the Navy, without consulting Congress, embarked in a vast sea of expenditure for building a navy, and his reliance was in the un- expended balances accumulating from appropriations under various heads during and since the war. This law, which must have been overlooked, guarded these balances from a transfer and checked an al- most unlimited expenditure. Sometimes we have bills authorizing transfers; but the word when- ever used ought to be regarded as an indication of fraud ; it ought to excite distrust and suspicion. Annual appropriations for specific pur- poses, and for a specific time, are the only guards for expenditure. If then we have extravagance, it can only be the extravagance of Congress and not of executive officers. Another element of uncertainty in our estimates is the demand for public works, amounting this year to the sum of $24,625,173, against $5,493,000 appropriated last year. Upon the action of Congress on this branch of expenditure it will depend whether we have to provide for $280,000,000 or $305,000,000 ; and what I say in regard to the re- duction of taxes will be affected by this uncertainty. Certain great works of improvement demand liberal appropriations, but they are often compelled to carry a multitude of appropriations for objects of minor importance. Another uncertainty arises from the manner in which tlie estimates and appropriations are made. We are asked to appropriate §100,000 for the erection of a custom-house ; then a plan is adopted which re- quires $1,000,000 ; the money appropriated is sunk in the foundation, ^ and this is made the basis for future appropriations. No public work should be authorized until its completed cost is ascertained and fixed by law or contract ; and I am happy to see that this plan lins been adopted in the bills of this session. The amount of claims that nro provided for by Congress is also an indefinite sum. If the proposition which was supported the other day with a very able, eloquent, and elaborate speech sliould pass, it will cost from thirty to fifty million dollars to meet that demand for next year ; and we must provide for it. As a matter of course, if the proposition EEOEIPTS AND EXPENDITUEES. 287 should be adopted, and we should concede the principle that we must pay all the damages incui-red and sustained by loyal people in the Southern States during the war, it would add to our expenditure an enormous sum, an amount which even the Senator from Indiana did not venture to state. It would amount to perhaps fifty million dollars, perhaps double that ; I do not know how much. Besides that, there are judgments of the Court of Claims. In this estimate of the aggregate of expenditure, $1,000,000 is estimated for the payment of the judgments of the Court of Claims. But last year they were over $1,250,000, and this year wiU probably largely exceed that, as many cases are now pending on appeal in thS Supreme Court, as well as in the Court of Claims originally. Then the action of Con- gress on private claims that come to us is very uncertain. We some- times see, without attracting much attention, a claim of $50,000, or $100,000, or even $250,000, go through. That swells the vast aggre- gate of our public expenditures without our scarcely perceiving it. A still more dangerous element of uncertainty grows out of our Indian service. The conduct of the United States to the Indian tribes is infamous. It is in its results as cruel and heartless as the worst chapters of English domination in India under Hastings and Clive. It has been so for years. But two years ago we undertook to make a great reform. We undertook in the most solemn manner to gather our Indian tribes into reservations, to feed them, and adapt them to civilized life. We authorized a board of oflacers of the highest rank in military and civil life to make treaties with them. This was done with much ostentation, and the treaties were ratified and confirmed by the Senate. We guaranteed them reservations, food, shelter, assist- ance, and clothing, in obligations as sacred as the public debt. We have openly and knowingly violated these obligations. We even gath- ered bands of Indians on the reservations promised them, and left them to starve. Our people invaded the very reservations set apart for them, and Congress refused last year, and still refuses, to make appropriations to carry the treaties into effect. The Indians- resorted to the only remedy for savages or civilized people for violated treaties ; but their warfare is the warfare of bar- barians. They steal and rob, burn, murder, and mutilate their victims. What else can they do ? You have invaded their territory ; you have cut off their food. They are starving. You promised them food, and you have sent them Quakers without money. They flaunt your vio- lated treaties in your faces. You talk about Indian massacres ! What death is more terrible than starving ? What crime is greater than this Congress commits daily in violating these treaties ? With them it is the crime of desperation ; with you it is the crime of listlessness and indifference. I fear it is now too late to repair our error. We may be startled any day by a Fetterman massacre, to punish which our sol- diers may be compelled to commit another. In any event, very large additional appropriations must be made, and these wiU be either in money for food, or in supplies and transportation for the army. Then there is another thing. The House the other day passed a ^bounty bill, which, in my judgment, if carried into a law, will cost us 288 SPEECHES AND KEP0ET8 OF JOHN" SHERMAN". about two hundred million dollars. It allows one hundred dollars a year, if I remember aright, for every year's service by any soldier in the war. Two or three years ago I examined into it thoroughly, and the estimates then of the Department, which I have now in my hand, showed that the whole amount to pay the bounties provided for by it would be from three to four hundred million dollars. As a compro- mise we provided for a mode of paying a certain amount of bounties that has cost the Government eighty millions, and this new bill pro- poses to make up the difference, as I understand. "When the original House proposition came to us, the estimate was that it would cost more than three or four hundred million dollars, and the House bill as passed now allows a deduction of the amount of bounties already paid. I feel as grateful to the soldiers as any one ; we have done what we agreed to do for them ; but I must present these facts and sober statistics to the members of the Senate, so that, if they pass that biU, they may know precisely what they are doing. I state the facts to show the difficulty of accurately estimating our future expenditures. An English statesman felt himself called upon to apologize' at great length for-a discrepancy of £500,000 between his estimates and the actual expenditures ; but under our system it would require more than human sagacity to guess within $5,000,000 of our expenditures for the next year. We can only take the hopeful esti- mate of the Secretary of the Treasury of $291,000,000 and try to keep the appropriations within that limit. To this amount we must add the amount required for the sinking fund under the act of February 25, 1862, of one per cent, of the entire debt, or $24,000,000, making the sum to be provided for $315,000,000. I omit from the view I present of our financial condition the sur- plus gold on hand, which, according to the statement submitted to us, on the 1st of May amounted to $115,525,213 ; but that is subject to a deduction of $33,840,400 of gold belonging to private parties, leaving of gold belonging to the Government $81,684,813. This gold was collected under the act appropriating and setting apart the gold rev- enues for the interest and principal of the public debt. It might now be safely used for funding the debt. But I avoid all discussion of the funding bill and all measures that look to the reduction of the rate of interest. These subjects we have elaborately discussed in the Senate ; and although the action of the House is long delayed, I hope we shall ?et agree upon some measure that will enable the Seeretarv of the 'reasury to reduce this burden of interest. I look to the gold held by the Treasury as the basis of any funding system that can be pro- posed, because the Government when it engages in the operation of funding must be very strong indeed. Then it is also necessary to provide for the three i^cr cent, certifi- caten, which, under the currency bill as it passed the Senate, must be retired. They can be provided for out of the aecunuilated gold and the surplus revenue that will accrao before the meajsures I propose to indi(!ate shall operate. This gold will form also the basis of a resump- tion of specie payments. Therefore we can not count as an element or source of revenue the amount of money we have on hand. That money RECEIPTS AND EXPENDITURES. 289 is specifically pledged for other purposes, and can only be used either in the retirement of the three per cent, certificates or of greenbacks, or in the payment of a certain portion of the bonded debt of the United States. The only resources we have for the large sum that is necessary to be appropriated this year, estimated by me at the lowest calculation at $315,000,000, are the taxes collected in various forms from the people. And here, when we approach this question, I am glad to say that we are able to estimate with a great deal more accuracy. It is much easier to estimate the result of taxation than it is the process of expenditure. There are four different heads of receipts under our Government. The first and least of ail is the public lands, which yield, say, $5,000,000 — more than formerly. I beg leave to differ from my colleague, who made a very able speech some weeks ago to show that the grants of public lands to railroads tended to impair the money revenue of the Govern- ment from the proceeds of the public lands. The facts, if examined into, will show directly the reverse. Whenever we grant land to a railroad, we raise the price of the reserved sections, and those reserved sections are at once brought into market, so that we sell the same atoount of land at double the price ; and the rtserved sections, instead of being settled under the homestead act or under the preemption laws, are in many cases sold for money. The result is, that last year we received from the proceeds of the public lands in money $5,000,000 ; and that has been the operation of all the grants of lands for railroads. I do not now mean to go into the general subject of the disposition of the public lands ; I merely speak of it as a source of revenue. It is most proba- ble, therefore, that we may rely upon the same amount from public lands next year, and that is the amount estimated by the Treasury Department. , There are sources of revenue, to the amount of $28,000,000, which are in every sense of the word miscellaneous. The principal items are : the premium on the sales of coin ; the fees from United States consuls (the consular system now being self-sustaining), storage, rent, labor, and drayage, under the administration of the customs laws ; fines and penalties for violations of the customs laws ; the fees on letters- patent, which were $650,000, or more than the expenses of the Patent Office; the taxes levied on the circulation and deposits of national banks, say $6,000,000 (which is not collected through the Internal Kevenue Office, but directly by the Treasurer of the United States) ; the homestead fees, which yielded us $300,000, going far toward de- fraying the expense of surveying the public lands, and perhaps paying the whole expense ; steamboat fees under the steamboat law, which yield us $200,000 ; and various unenumerated items, $3,300,000 ; mak- ing an aggregate of $28,000,000 from miscellaneous sources. One item in this account is perhaps overestimated. The amount of $16,000,000 estimated as the premium on the sales of gold is larger than we shall probably receive next year. The estimate was made in October last, when gold was bearing a much higher premium than to- day. I think, therefore, there will be a reduction in that item on account of the fall in the premium on gold ; but it will be amply made 19 290 SPEECHES AND EEPOETS OF JOHN SHERMAN. up by other sources, so that we may rely at least upon $28,000,000 from these various incidental sources of revenue. We then have the customs duties and the internal revenue. The customs duties are estimated for the next fiscal year at $185,000,000 ; and I think this is an underestimate rather than an overestimate. The actual receipts of the last three quarters of the present fiscal year are $140,639,000. Estimating an equal amount for the present quarter, the amount of customs duties this year will be about $186,000,000. Next year they will probably be as much ; but the Secretary estimates them at $185,000,000. The internal revenue, if maintained at its present position and with- out any diminution or change, will yield not less than $175,000,000. The actual receipts during the last calendar year were somethang over $174,000,000. They have been gradually increasing since this Ad- ministration came into power, and now, instead of $157,000,000 or $158,000,000 annually, they are $174,000,000 or $175,000,000; and next year, if the law remains unchanged, they will be over the amount estimated, $175,000,000. This makes an aggregate of $393,000,000. Deduct the amount estimated by the Secretary of the Treasury for ex- penditures, and it leaves a surplus of $78,000,000 upon the basis of existing law. Now, the question arises, "What shall be done with this surplus ? Is it better to repeal and diminish the taxes, or to maintain them at their present position with a view to the reduction of the public debt? Upon that I believe there is a unanimity of sentiment in this country, in which I most heartily concur. I can see no object in maintaining our revenue at its present position, no object in a more rapid payment of the public debt than is provided for in the sinking fund of Februa- ry, 1862, or the funding bill as wl sent it to the other House, which will pay off the whole debt in twenty-five or thirty years. I see no object in accumulating surplus funds, because they are always a temptar tion to extravagant expenditures, and many of the items which will be put on this appropriation bill will be put there because we have a sur- plus revenue. A surplus revenue could only be used for the more rapid reduction of the public debt. It might strengthen the power of the Secretar}"^ of the Treasury to reduce the interest of the debt. These are objects of high public importance, but in my opinion it is now more im- portant to relieve our people from burdensome taxation. The money is more valuable to the tax-payers in the multiplied business of a new and vast country like ours, than it is to the National Government. The large surplus now on hand, together with the fixed provision for the reduction of the debt contained in the funding bill, will enable us to reduce the rate of interest and gradually to pay the principal, without continuing the drain of taxation upon our people. AVe point with pride to the vast sums they have freely and voluntaj'ily paid, levied by themselves during and since tlie war. They have borne, not only with patience, but with patriotic alacrity, a burden of taxation without ex- ample in history. The object of this taxation has been attained, and even the disturbing waves of civil war have almost subsided, and friend REOEIPTS AND EXPEJSTDITUEES. 291 and foe, master and slave, are industriously adding to the national re- sources and contributing^ to the national taxes. Under these circum- stances we ouffht to limit our demands upon them to the smallest sum consistent with the national credit and the proper maintenance of the different departments of the National Government. Assumiag, then, that our surplus revenue is to be disposed of by a reduction of taxes, we are enabled, for the sixth time since the close of the war, to perform this pleasing duty. We have already reduced taxes as follows : By the act of July 13, 1866 $66,000,000 By the act of March 2, 1867 • 40,000,000 By the act of February 3, 1868 23,000,000 By the act of March 31, 1868 ) By the act of July 20, 1868 \ 45,000,000 Making a total of 1173,000,000 The real question is, What taxes ought to be repealed ? which among them bear most upon the industry of our people? We have two systems of taxation, entirely distinct in their origin, in the laws governing them, and in the oflScers administering them. Our internal revenue system is the product of the war. It was improvised to meet a sudden exigency. The taxes imposed under it are immediately felt ; they are direct ; they fall upon our own industry. Our customs duties, though largely increased during and since the war, have been in force since the formation of the Government. They are levied mainly at five large cities. They are indirect. They are mainly upon' articles of luxury or consumption, so well distributed that the taxes fall fairly and in just proportion to ability to pay. To the extent that they are levied upon articles similar to our own productions, the taxes foster and protect home industry. Though we may differ very much about mere theories, yet it is likely under any administration that the chief burden of taxation will rest upon imported goods. These now yield us $185,000,000 in gold, and this revenue is not likely to diminish. The question is, whether it is not better to retain this revenue, retain this system of customs duties, and for the present confine our reduc- tion of taxes to the new and direct laws of internal taxation. If we examine the details of our customs duties, it will be found that they are as well distributed as any taxes on consumption can be. The real objection to them is that they fall entirely on consumption. Property does not pay any portion of them. If, in fact, the consump- tion of taxable goods used by the poor bore the same proportion to their property or income that the consumption of the rich does to their property or income, then the tax would be as equitable as any tax can be ; but this is not so. This fact ought to be borne in mind in adjust- ing other taxes on property or income. Nearly one third of all our customs duties fall upon articles of food, the products of tropical cli- mates, such as sugar, tea, cofiee, and the spices. Duties on these arti- cles are purely revenue duties. They are stable, for their consumption does not much diminish by increase of price. They are as generally diffused and as lightly felt as any portion of our taxes. We levy not less than thirty millions upon raw articles, the basis of 292 SPEECHES AND EEPOETS OF JOHN 8HEEMAN. our domestic induBtry, whicli is not only added to the cost of the do- mestic product, but also tends to prevent domestic production. The tariff is commonly denounced as a high protective tariff, in order to arouse old political controversies ; but jn fact it is so framed as to pro- duce the largest revenue upon the smallest importations. The average rate of duty levied extends to nearly all articles imported into this country. It would be a more protective tariff if the duties on prod- ucts of tropical climates were repealed. It would be stiU more pro- tective if the duties on raw products were repealed. The true distinction between a protective tariff and a revenue tariff is that a protective tariff consists of high duties on articles of foreign production that come into competition with domestic produc- tions, and low duties on all other articles. A purely revenue tariff consists of high duties on articles of foreign growth that we can not produce, and low duties on articles that we do produce. The latter en- courages importations and swells revenues. The present tariff levies high duties on nearly all the productions of foreign countries, both raw and manufactured productions, both such as we can not produce and such as we can produce. It is, therefore, the best revenue tariff we have ever had, yielding the largest revenue possible. Its protective features are very much modified by the duties on raw materials and on the tropical food which enters into the cost of domestic labor. The general effect of the present tariff has been largely beneficial to our industry ; and I am not anxious for its reduction until we have largely reduced our internal taxation. When the tariff is reduced there will be a struggle of opposing interests. It should be done with great de- liberation. When done, it should be upon some general priuciple of financial policy, such as guided Sir Robert Peel in 1842, and by the application of general rules not to be departed from by the demand of isolated interests. If the purpose is to reduce revenue duties, it can easily be accom- plished by enlarging the free list, or reducing the duties on tropical fruits. It it is to reduce the protective duties on metal and textile fabrics, it should be by a fixed percentage. The mere reduction of a small amount of either class of duties will not give the country that relief that will be given by an equal amount of redaction of internal taxes. I make these general observations without any desire to pre- judge a revision of the tariff when the subject is presented by the Souse of Representatives, but only that I may present to you the great relief that our surplus revenue enables us to give our people by the repeal of internal taxes. Indeed, I hope that the tariff bill now pending in the House of Representatives may pass at this session in the form deemed best by the House, and then that it may be subject to the scrutiny of the people, so that at the next session the Senate may pro- pose such amendments as a full and patient investigation may show to be necessary. It is manifest that at this period of the session such an investigation is impossible ; and that if a greater reduction of revenue than I will propose is deemed prudent, it sliould be done by enlarging the free list, or by reducing the duty on a few products, such as sugar, coffee, and tea. KEOEIPTS AND EXPENDITURES. 293 Tlie question then recurs, "What internal taxes ought to be repealed ? How can we within the limits of our surplus give most relief to our constituents ? And here the Committee on Finance were met with a difficulty growing out of the necessity, in our opinion, of continuing the income tax in a modified form. We are restrained by the constitutional provision which declares that the House of Representatives alone can " originate bills for raising revenue." The question occurred, whether or not a committee of the Senate ought to undertake to introduce a bill reducing revenue. It is the general sense of the Senate that we have a right to originate a bill reducing revenue. We introduce appropriation bills every day. It is the established law and practice that the Senate has the right to origi- nate appropriation bills, funding bills, loan bills, and all other forms of financial legislation except a tax bill " raising revenue." I can show precedents without number on this point. The ques- tion whether or not the Senate can originate a bill which reduces rev- enue has never been made, because the occasion has never arisen. I have no doubt of the power of the Senate to do it ; but while we are throwing off revenue, we propose to renew and continue some portion of the income tax, which by existing law expires with this year. The Committee had some doubt whether it was wise for them to present any bill reducing taxes, as we wished to make no controversy or ques- tion with the House ; and the only reason why it was done was because, in the then condition of affairs, there seemed to be a probability of so great delay in the redaction of taxes, that we thought it our duty to bring the subject before the Senate promptly. If two or three months ago a bill had been introduced and passed repealing all special taxes which are levied on the first day of this month, it would have given a vast deal of relief to our people. We are entirely able to do it. These taxes are mainly levied in the month of May, and consequently will be assessed for the present year. Be- cause of the long delay in these measures of relief, the Senate Commit- tee thought it proper to introduce and report a bill to reduce taxation, which we believed to be within our constitutional power. I am rather inclined to think that it is not within the power of the Senate to introduce a bill to continue a tax that has expired or will ex- pire by its own limitation. There is no doubt about our power to re- duce taxation, but there is doubt of our power to continue the income tax after its expiration. In my judgment it is necessary to maintain, for a time at least, the income tax ; and therefore I agree that it is bet- ter to postpone action on the Senate bill to reduce taxation, until we have the action of the House on the bill for that purpose since reported to the House. It now only remains to point out those taxes which, in the opinion of the Committee on Finance, ought to be repealed, and those that ought to be retained. I have had prepared for the benefit of the Sen- ate a statement, now on your tables, showing the precise taxes that are proposed to be repealed and those proposed to be retained. The first and most oppressive form of taxation, in my judgment most indefensible in principle, most unusual in practice — indeed, I 294 SPEECHES AND REPORTS OF JOHN SHERMAN. know of country that levies it except our own, and certainly it was levied very mucli against my opinion, and, I may say, also of other members of the Committee on Finance — is the tax on sales, which yielded us last year $8,206,839.03. There is no objection to any kind of tax that is not applicable to this. It is a tax on mdustry ; it is a tax on the most careful, the most prudent, and the most energetic of our people ; it is a license tax, a tax on employments. It is a tax that re- quires espionage, because it is estimated by the amount of sal^, and every merchant's books must be liable to be investigated by the tax- gatherer. It is a tax that, in my judgment, ought to be the first of all repealed. It applies to dealers and manufacturers of all kinds. The tax on gross receipts is also a most oppressive form of taxation. It applies to the gross receipts of corporations, transportation companies, railroad and insurance companies. If this tax was paid out of the ac- cumulated profits of those corporations, it might be, in the prosperous condition of our country, right enough to continue it ; but this tax is at once charged over to the individual. Every passenger that travels on a railroad pays this tax. The law so provides in words ; and, in- deed, in some cases individuals pay several times the amount. The street railroad companies, in order to cover the small fraction of a cent tax levied on them, have added one cent to their fare. ]^early all the street railroads in the United States have done so. So with insurance companies. They always add the amount of the tax to the premium on insurance. This tax on gross receipts is, therefore, a tax on insur- ance and on the transportation of persons. It yielded $6,300,998 last year, and is proposed to be repealed. The taxes on legacies and successions have always been invidious and odious, and very imperfectly collected. If they were taxes only upon collateral inheritances, as upon a grand-nephew who acquired an inheri- tance by the death of a remote uncle, there would be no great sympa- thy for the subjects of the tax ; but the great body of these taxes is levied on the son who inherits from the father, the lineal issue, or an- cestor, the brother or sister. So w^ propose to repeal these taxes. They yielded about two and a half million dollars last year. The articles in schedule A, as it is called, billiard tables, carriages, gold plate, watches, etc., are next proposed to be relieved from tax. In principle and theory it would be well enough to collect that tax, but it yields us less than a million dollars. It throws upon assessors a vast amount of work, and does not compensate for the expenses of collec- tion. We propose to repeal that, and leave the watches and gold and silver plate, which yield us very little, to the State authorities. The tax on passports, which is continued in the Houi^e bill, yields but $29,453. It is an invidious tax, and there is no occasion for con- tinuing it ; it is too small. The tax on salaries of United States employees is a grossly unequal tax, as it is now levied, because a clerk who is employed in the depart- ments here does not get the benefit of a deduction for the rent, taxes, and other exemptions allowed to other incomes. It denies to our own officers the exemptions iillowed to all other persons on their income tax. It is proposed, therefore, by the Senate bill to repeal this tax by name, KE0EIPT8 AND EXPENDITUEE8. 295 and to require the person receiving an income from tlie Government in the way of salary to include it in nis general return, so that if he pays an income tax he pays it on his salary at the same time that he pays it on other income. The tax on banks and bankers, and all the special taxes, I may say, amounting to nearly ten million dollars, it is proposed to sweep entirely out of existence. The chief difference between the Senate bill and the House biU to reduce taxes is, that the House bill preserves a considerable number of the special taxes. The House biU proposes to retaia the tax on banks and bankers, billiard rooms, bowling-alleys, brokers, claim agents, and a vast number of others. The Finance Committee, however, were of opinion that it was better to strike out the whole list of special taxes, excepting the taxes on whisky and tobacco. The result of this will be a reduction of revenue of about ten million dollars, but it gives vast relief to every branch of industry. There is no tax so unequal, with perhaps the exception of the tax on sales, as this tax called the special or license tax. It levies the same rate on the poor lawyer who travels twenty miles for a fee of ten dollars, as it does on the lawyer of the highest rank in the profession. It is impossible to continue this system of taxation without continuing gross inequality. .The Finance Com- mittee, therefore, propose to repeal the whole mass of these taxes. The result will be, in our judgment, to dispense with the services of nearly two thirds of the assistant assessors and deputy collectors, diminishing largely the machinery for collection, and abolishing at one stroke nearly aR the taxes that come home to the people of the United States. We propose, also, to modify the income tax, which I will explain more fiiUy hereafter. The reduction, according to the plan proposed by the Committee on Finance, is, upon the basis of last year's returns, $43,597, YH, but upon the basis of the actual receipts for the current year would be $46,000,000. My own impression is that to this there ought to be added the repeal of the tax on gas, which yielded $2,000,000, and the repeal of the stamp tax on receipts, and various forms of minor stamps, amounting to about two million dollars more, making an aggregate reduction of about fifty million dollars. This would then sweep out of existence aU the taxes levied by the internal revenue service upon everything except spirits, tobacco, fermented liquors, larger stamps, and a small income tax, leav- ing unrepealed taxes to the amount of $116,441,000. The tax on spirits yields us about $50,000,000 a year ; and in my judgment it ought to be made to yield $60,000,000, and gradually in- crease as frauds are cut off and consumption goes on. The tax on tobacco is constantly increasing in its yield ; it is now $30,000,000. And these two taxes on spirits and tobacco, together with the tax on fermented liquors, over six million dollars, are paid without complaint in every part of the United States. I have no doubt the system of collecting these taxes can be simplified. My own judgment, after care- ful examination of the whole subject, is that, while the rate of taxation ought not to be increased, the manner of taxing can be simplified and changed very much indeed. But at any rate the Committee do not 296 SPEECHES AND REPORTS OF JOHN SHERMAN. propose to interfere with any tax now levied on whisky, tobacco, or beer, leaving them to stand on the present system until we can have time to make a careful and full revision of the whole system. The tax on spirits is now levied in four diflEerent forms : first, a tax of fifty cents a gallon ; next, a tax of four dollars a barrel ; next, a special tax on sales ; and again, on liquor-dealers ; yielding on the average about seventy cents a gallon. It may be that, after a short experience, it may be found better to combine all these taxes and levy them at once. The bill of the Committee on Finance strips the revenue service of the vast machinery which in the nature of things interferes with the daily business of life, and it disbands or removes from sight the army of revenue officers. The taxes on spirits and tobacco will be collected at the distilleries and manufactories ; the stamp tax collects itself ; and the income tax is an annual assessment, similar to the annual tax on personal property levied by the States. The appearance of the tax- collector will only be necessary in the few special subjects of taxation still retained. The income tax will be acquiesced in as the tribute of property for the services and sacrifices of the brave men who saved our country. There has been a great deal of clamor against the income tax. It is the same clamor that induced the Parliament of England in 1816 and 1817 to repeal the income tax. I have stated that when the proper time came I would show that this tax was sustained by wineiple, by writers on political economy, by the experience of Great Britain, and that it was the most just and equitable tax levied by the United States. I propose to make good that promise. Mr. President, what is the basis of taxation ? As laid down by the great author of political economy, Adam Smith, it is that a man ought to pay exactly according to his income. That axiom was laid down be- fore the income tax was devised by William Pitt; Every man ought to pay according to his income. All the distinctions that are endeavored to be made now wore then pointed out. The first time the income tax was levied in England was in 1797. William Pitt, when driven by the sad necessities of the war with France, was called iipon to devise new systems of taxation. There was a vast deficit, and the credit of that powerful nation was staggering. He first proposed in 1797 what is called assessed taxation, taxes on land and property — to take what a man was worth and levy a tax on that. It was found after one or two years' experiment that it entirely failed, for gross frauds were com- mitted, and it was impossible to ascertain the exact value of a man's property ; and the system was abandoned. Then it was, after an elaborate speech, which meets and answers every objection that haa since been made to the income tax in practice, that he proposed a tax of ten per cent, on all the incomes of Great Britain. After a debate running through days and weeks the incpme tax was adopted. For years such a tax was levied by Great Britain, falling alono upon the wealthy people of that kingdom. For two years, I believo, it was maintained at that rate, and then lowered about the time of the peace of Amiens, and then raised again ; imd during the RECEIPTS AND EXPENDITURES. 297 whole war, with very little variation, tliere was an income tax levied of ten per cent, on all the incomes of Great Britain ; and during that time, as history shows, there was vast and unequaled prosperity in England. After the war was over, a great clamor for the repeal of the income tax came from the property-holders of Great Britain. They said that during the war they had paid the income tax willingly, because they feared the aggressions of the French democracy more than taxation. They were willing to pay an income tax to preserve their privileges and immunities. After the war was over, they insisted upon piling all the burdens of Government on consumption, which is a tax on the poor. They repealed the income tax, and assessed nearly all taxes on excises and imports. They said the true subject of taxation was not property or income, but consumption. Well, what is a tax on con- sumption ? Why, sir, you or I use as much tea, coffee, and sugar as the wealthiest man in the United States. It takes just as much to satisfy om* wants and the wants of the poorest of our citizens as those of the richest. A tax on consumption, therefore, is in its nature an unequal tax ; you can not make it equal. It takes a greater proportion of the earnings or income of the poor man than of the rich man to pay taxes for the absolute necessaries of life. The only discrimination in our tax laws that will reach wealthy men, as against the poorer classes, is the income tax. There is no other tax on property levied by the United States. The tax on legacies and successions, which was in the nature of a property tax, is about to be repealed by the agreement of the committees of both Houses ; and the income tax is the only tax levied by us that bears upon prop- erty in any shape or manner. AH the rest of our taxes, both internal and external, are taxes on consumption. Now, according to every true theory of taxation, a large portion of the taxes ought to fall upon property or income derived from property. We can not levy a property tax under our system, because the Consti- tution requires the property tax to be apportioned among the States according to population. As this would be grossly and manifestly un- equal to the new States and new communities, the only mode in which we can reach property is by an income tax ; and therefore it is that the income tax is paid by comparatively few persons in the large cities. I do not find fault with them because they complain of it ; but if they would see that it was their property and their rights and their income that were saved by the operation of the war, and that most of the people who pay the taxes on consumption necessarily pay nine tenths of all the taxes, the property-holders and wealthy people of this country ought not to complain if we deem it necessary to maintain this tax even at five per cent., instead of, as we propose, at three per cent. The aggregate of our taxes, as I have^ shown you, is $393,000,000; and we levy only $37,000,000 of that upon property, or the income from property. We levy nine tenths of all our taxes upon food and clothing, and those things which are consumed by the use of them. For property-holders, wealthy people, those who derive a large income from their profession or employment, from their brains or intellect, to complain of this tax, it seems to me, is very unjust. 298 SPEECHES AND REPORTS OF JOHN SHERMAN. It has already been decided by the Supreme Court that direct taxes, within the meaning of the Constitution, are taxes upon land and slaves ; 60 that I say an income tax, although always in the books laid down as a direct tax, is, in the language of our Constitution, an indirect tax, an " excise." Now, I propose to read a few extracts from some of the debates in Parliament, and these extracts will be a sufficient answer to the alleged hardships of the income tax, and what are called its inequalities and difficulties of collection. I will first read what Mr. Pitt said in regard to this tax when he first proposed it, which goes back to the very origin of it, December 14, 1798 : As to the criterion of the general tax, it has likewise been objected to the details that th6 application is unequal in respect to the nature of income, its duration, etc. The honorable gentleman says that if two persons have each £500 per annum, one of whom derives his income from land and the other from industry, they ought not to be both taxed equally at £50. [That was the ten per cent.] He assumes that, each having £450 a year left, the impost is unequal. "What does the new tax do ? Are they not left in relation to each other precisely as they were before ? The tax creates no new inequality. The justice or injustice remains precisely as it was. To complain of this inequality is to complain of the distribution of property ; it is to complain of the constitution of society. Again, Mr. Pitt says : To think of taxing these two species of incomes in a different ratio would be to attempt what the nature of society will not admit, what has never been practiced in the course of four thousand years. But on what foundation does this principle, which the honorable gentleman has broached, rest? Where is the clear inequality on which he so vehemently insists ? Is the industry of the artist, the manufacturer, the mechanic, less the creature of the protection of law, less involved in the great contest in which we are engaged, less likely to be overthrown in any disastera of the State, than the income which arises from land? Mr. Pitt further says : It is objected still that it is unjust that the man who has an annuity, or an income, the fruit of his labor, should pay in the proportion of a man who has the same revenue from fixed property. This objection is altogether a fallacy. A permanent estate, which is represented as never dying, and, as it were, the property of a man after his death, contributes on every exigency which may occur. The income from labor and industry is extinguished ; it contributes but once ; it is no longer the property of the same person ; while the other, which is considered as the same property, is subject to renewed demands. A permanent income is subjected to a permanent yearly tax, while a perishable income is only subjected to one tax. This reasoning may be thought refined, but the answer is justly applicable in the case where the reason why fixed property should contribute more is founded on its supposed permanency in opposition to the fleeting charncter of the other. How, then, is it possible to discriminate between the various kinds of property, or to enter into the details which could alone enable you to apply any scale of exemption with- out an investigation more oppressive, a disclosure more extensive tlian anything which the bill permits? How much safer is it to submit to those inequalities which are the lot of man, and which it is not the business nor is it in the power of schemes of finance to correct! Oould we even indulge the wish to corree^ these inequalities which arise out of the very nature of society, is this the legislative remedy ? Let us then forbear to attempt what is perhaps beyond the power of human legislation to correct. This is a sufficient answer to the objection made that tlie income derived from professional employment ought to pay a less tax than an , . EECEIPTS AND EXPENDITUKES. 299 income derived from land. Income derived from land is perpetually taxed year after year in the land itself, while the income derived from personal profits or from professional employment perishes by the pay- ment of one tax. I stated that after the close of the war with France the English in- come tax was repealed ; and it was not till 1842, when England had been drifting always to leeward, with her debt always increasing, when there was an actual deficiency of some £2,000,000, and it became neces- sary to revise the whole system of taxation, that Sir Eobert Peel had the courage, in two houses of Parliament which represented nothing but property (for property is enthroned in Parliament), to come forward and propose an income tax, and stake his political life on it. He turned his back, as is well known, on his political friends, and proposed a re- newal- of the income tax, in order to relieve the masses of the people from the weight of taxes upon consumption — corn, food, etc. From the speech wmch he made upon that occasion I wiU read brief extracts. Sir Eobert Peel said in the House of Commons, March 11, 1842 : I will now state what is the measure which I propose, under a sense of public duty and a deep conviction that it is necessary for the public interest, and impressed at the same time with an equal conviction that the present sacrifices which I call on you to make will be amply compensated ultimately in a pecuniary point of view, and much more than compensated, by the effect they wUl have in maintaining pub- lic credit and the ancient character of this country. Instead of looking to taxation on consumption, instead of reviving the taxes on salt or on sugar, it is my duty to make an earnest appeal to the possessors of property for the purpose of repairing this mighty evil. I propose, for a time at least — and I never had occasion to make a proposition with a more thorough conviction of its being one which the public interest of the country required — I propose that, for a time to be limited, the income of this country should be called on to contribute a certain sum for the purpose of remedying this mighty and growing evil. Again he says : In 1798, when the prospects of this country were gloomy, the minister had the courage to propose and the people had the fortitude to adopt an income tax of ten per cent. The income tax continued to the close of the war in 1802 ; and in 1808, after th^ rupture of the peace of Amiens, a duty of five per cent, was placed upon property. It was raised in 1805 to six and one quarter per cent., and in 1806 again to ten per cent. ; and so it continued to the end of the war. I propose that the duty to be laid upon property shall not exceed three per cent., or, as I said before, exactly £2 18«. id., being seven pence in the pound. Under the former tax all incomes below £60 were exempt from taxation, and on incomes between £60 and £150 the tax was on a reduced rate. I shall propose that from the income tax I now recommend all incomes under £150 shall be exempt. The objection which Sir Eobert Peel was answering at the close of this extract was that the income tax was only a war tax ; and he answered it precisely as I answer in regard to our tax, that the income tax is still a war tax. But for the war no internal duties would be ne- cessary. The whole of them are war taxes. It is one of the misfor- tunes of war that taxation continues long after the war has ended. _ If the property of this country would simply agree to pay the pensions incurred by the war, I should be perfectly willing to compromise in, that way. If a sufficient income tax was now levied on property to pay what is paid by the Government to the maimed and diseased sol- diers of the country, their widows and orphans, it would be the least 300 SPEECHES AND REPORTS OF JOHN SHERMAN. that the property of the country could do. The answer of Sir Robert Peel in that case was, that all taxes for the payment of the interest on the public debt were war taxes. The taxes of peace are very light. Sir Henry Goulburn, in answer to that objection, said in the House of Commons, March 18, 1842 : But the right lionorable gentleman said the income tax ought never to be im- posed except under the condition of war. What, however, was this fanciful dis- tinction as to war ? The tax was not imposed because they were at war, but be- cause they were involved in difflciilty in respect to raising a revenue, because they were involved in debt, and because they were bound to extricate themselves from debt. But there is another argument often used against the income tax, that it operates unjustly upon different classes. Upon that point let me read another extract ftom the same speech of Sir Henry Goulburn, which I think covers that matter very well : Then the right honorable gentleman had talked about the injustice of the pro- posed tax, as not pressing in the same way on different classes. " Unjust, unequal," cried the right honorable gentleman. Why, this was the very language which he had seen in the streets ou the placards of some low weekly papers. " No income tax, no inequality, no injustice." It was impossible not to be sensible that taxation must be necessarily an evil. It was impossible, in the present state of society, to impose any tax (so complicated and so artificial were the relations and the interests of the community) without pressing with greater force on one class or on another. Nor would he say that an income tax was exempt from this objection, applying as it did equally to all taxes. But look at the articles of taxation which the right honorable gentleman himself proposed. How did they operate ? Did they press equally on all classes ? Did they not press more heavily on the lower and the mid- dle classes, to whom they were necessary ? Was it not in the power of the higher and richer classes often to relinqnish articles which their inferiors in society must consume ? Was it, then, fair to tax equally articles necessary to one class, luxurious to another ? ' The excise duties, for instance, appeared in some respects oppressive or unequal in their operations, with a considerable degree of domestic inquisition, all of which had been and would be characterized as exceedingly vexatious. All the eloquence which the right honorable gentleman had used against the income tax had been used in former times by those who had pointed out the excise duties as containing every possible vice ; and of this the right honorable gentleman might be assured, that all the accusations which he had brought against the property tax would be repeated from time to time against any tax that might be invented, certain as it must be to affect some particular interests. Let not the House suppose that in bringing this measure forward as essential to the interests of the country the Gov- ernment had not been fully sensible of the difficulties under which they would have to labor, had not been quite aware that when they struck at the incomes of tlie country they should excite a feeling to a considerable extent against the measure and the administration. But they knew enough of the patriotism of the country to believe that, whatever might be the feelings of individuals, there was yet abun- dantly sufficient of respect for national honor, of .iffootion for our constitution, and of determination to uphold it, to couhteract particular objections, and to induce the people to sustain cheerfully a tax levied on the principles of burdening as little as possible the poorer and the working classes. I will now read another extract from Sir Robert Peel's second speech, because this debate is memorable, not only in point of time, but in point of influence upon English politics. In his speech of Marcli IS, 184'J, lie. said: If in a time of peace — a time oC European peace — you have a large deficiency to supply, and consider it more just that the nffluent classes shall supply it, rather RECEIPTS AND EXPENDITURES. 301 than pressing upon the poor by taxing articles of consumption, adopt that course, and do not be afraid of what foreign countries may thiuk of your resources. One argument against the income tax in England was that to levy- it would be a confession of weakness by Great Britain. Again he With such a deficiency as I have pointed out, is it better, then, to call upon the income of the country to supply it, or to tax articles of general consumption? . . . Mr. Pitt, wishing to affect the property of the country, produced a plan by which the assessed taxes paid at a preceding period should be considered the test of prop- erty. He tried to obtain a ten per cent, income tax by that criterion ; but he was obliged to abandon it, and my belief is that a house tax would be much more unjust in its operation than an income tax. The objection to tlie income tax is that it is inquisitorial. I do not deny tbe objection ; but apart from that, I feel it to be one of the best taxes that can be imposed. Three per cent, in the present conditipn of the country is absolutely necessary to procure the supply, and I make the proposi- tion from a firm conviction that it will be infinitely less onerous and more just tlian any other tax. . . . My settled opinion is that the burden will be less than that arising from any other tax we could devise. ... I do trust, however, that this tax wiU not be condemned upon individual cases of hardship, but that the House will rather attend to general results, and fairly consider whether any other tax equally just can be found which will be equally effectual in raising the required supply for the public exigency. ... If there is to be an income tax at all, it must be uniformly laid upon all income, and in no case whatever can I allow a distinction to be drawn. . . . The more I look at this question, the more I consider the amount of the sum to be raised, the more confident am I that the best measure now to be adopted is to resort to a tax upon income, rather than to impose a tax upon those articles of excise and customs to which I have referred. ... I believe that such an attempt would far more disturb the application of capital and the operations of active industry than will a caU upon each individual to pay three pounds out of every £100. I have a strong conviction that the great mass of the lower classes will consider the voluntary determination of Parliament to accept for themselves and to impose upon the wealth of the country this tax for the purpose of relieving its burdens — I have a strong con- viction that it wiU be generally hailed on the part of the country as a strong proof of the determination of the upper classes to bear their fair share of taxation. Again, Sir Kobert Peel says : The first objection of that honorable gentleman, the member for Liskeard, was a curious one. He objected to the tax because the people would be enabled to see what was taken out'of their pockets. Now, this is exactly so. An income tax is very sensibly felt in its operation. Taxes on articles do not come home so directly. You say that income derived from fixed property ought to be made subject to the tax I propose, but that income drawn from professional exertion and the opera- tions of trade ought not to be taxed, partly owing to the inquisitorial nature of the tax itself and partly from the nature of such property. But is it meant that the oflScer on half pay should contribute to the tax, and that the physician of £9,000 or £10,000 a year should not? Yon say that terminable annuities ought not to pay the same rate as landed proprietors ; but would you say that a widow who has a join- ture, a fixed sum per annum, which terminates with her life, would you say that she should pay the same amount ? .- . . Then, sir, I am told that another great objection to this tax is that it encourages perjury and fraud ; but I should like to know what is the tendency of indirect taxa- tion. I should like to know what is the tendency of excise duties. I should like to know what is the tendency of all the excise regulations as to distilleries. Taxation, I take it, is inevitable. Taxes we must have. Sir, I perfectly agree with the hon- orable and learned member for Bath that nothing can be more frivolous^ or absurd than the extreme sensitiveness as to what a man's income may be. I believe that a very good estimate is usually formed of the state of men's circumstances by those who care about inquiring into other men's property and the state of their credit. 302 SPEECHES AND EEPORTS OF JOHN SHERMAN. . . . And as to the terrors of the inquisition which I propose into men's private affairs, it is mere folly, if men will only act honestly and make tonafde returns. . . . For my own part, I entertain a higher opinion of the integrity and fair dealing of the people of this country than to suppose that an advantage of such an amount as £2 18». in the £100 could operate as a temptation to perjury and fraud. The measure which I now propose is founded on reason and justice. Again, Sir Robert Peel said that " a tax upon income was the basis of his financial policy, and he meant to defend that principle to the utmost." On this occasion the income tax was again renewed at three per cent. ; and from that time to this, a period now of nearly thirty years, the income tax has been retained by a vote of Parliament, renewed from time to time, and is now a part of the fixed financial policy of Great Britain. Sir, it was the income tax imposed at the time by the proposition of Sir Kobert Peel that enabled England to repeal her com laws, her tax on food. It was the beginning of the great prosperity she has had for the last twenty years. This tax was carried, as 1 said be- fore, in the House of Lords, and in the House of Commons, where every member represented property rather than persons, and all the members of which were elected by about one million voters, instead of as in this country, where we have seven million voters. My honorable friend from California referred me the other day to Sir Robert Peel and Mr. Gladstone as being against the income tax ; and yet" they have supported it and maintamed it. Sir Robert Peel and Mr. Gladstone, being at the head of the British Government in different periods of time, have sustained it throughout. I have here copious extracts from speeches made by Mr. Gladstone on the subject. In the debate in the House of Commons on the 23d of May, 1853, Mr. Gladstone said : I only wish to remind the committee that the main objects which the Govern- ment have in view in proposing the renewal of the income tax for a considerable time are these two : in the first place, to give stability to our system of finance ; and in the second place, to put the tax upon such a footing, and so regulate its provisions by a progressive descent of the rate, as may bring it to a point in which it will prob- ably be in the power of Parhament to part with it altogether, if so disposed. Speaking of the inequality of the income tax, he said : In the main I admit what is stated with respect to those inequalities. I think, however, that upon a minute and careful- examination we shall find that other taxes have likewise many gross inequalities in their operation, which, however, are veiled and concealed in a very considerable degree, while those of the income tax have, at any rate, the merit of being tolerably patent on an examination of the case. Mr. Gladstone again said, as to the idea that an equal rate of income tax is unjust : I have always felt that that sentiment is not supported by reason; and such has been the opinion of much greater men who have had to deal with this tax. Mr. Gladstone, on the 23d of April, 1803, speaking on a resolution to the effect that the tax on precarious incomes should be lower than that on permanent incomes, said : If a ruan is not able to pay his income tax, neither can he afford the duty on tea and sugar. Tho two stand exactly on the saiiio footing, and the same argument ap- plies to each. Tho tax is objectionable because it leads to fraud, a charge which, I RECEIPTS AND EXPENDITURES. 303 am sorry to say, experience convinces me can not be exaggerated in its gravity and extent. But with all these disadvantages it is after all a tax, as the country feels, which is founded on principle ; and the fact that it has existed so long with equal rates is of itself a great advantage. Two committees of tlie House of Commons, one in 1850 and another in 1861, who spent a long time in investigations of proposi- tions for amending the income-tax law, made no report, having con- cluded that the law as it stood was as good a one as could be framed. In 1864: the House of Commons voted down the following resolu- tion : Besohed, That the inequalities and injustice attending the operation of the ex- isting property and income tax disqualify it for being continually reimposed in its present form as one of the means for levying the national revenue. The present Chancellor of #ie Exchequer, Hon. K. Lowe, said in the House of Commons, March 16, 1869 : The real evil of the income tax, in my judgment, is not that it is levied in a par- tial manner on land or realized property or profits of trade, but that, from the necessity of the case, persons having such income as that included in schedule D are judges in their own cause, and that this in many instances holds out a temptation to those persons to give too favorable an interpretation of the amount of their liability. But to say that there is an objection to income tax is only to say that this tax is a tax ; for the ingenuity of the human mind never did and never will devise a tax to which there are not objections more than plausible, and which would be absolutely convincing and irresistible if taxation were not a necessity. Again, in presenting to the House of Commons the budget on Monday, April 11, 1870, he said : I have received many deputations respecting the income tax, and I concede that a good deal may be said against this tax ; but as I am not prepared with a substi- tute for it, I must continue the tax at such a moderate rate as will make it tolerable to those who pay it, preferring to give them a little uneasiness and discomfort rather than to strike out so great and useful a branch of revenue. I might also read from various writers on political economy on this subject, John Stuart MiU among the rest. In the second volume of his " Political Economy," page 398, speaking of the conditions neces- sary for making this tax consistent with justice, he says : 1. That incomes below a certain amount should be altogether untaxed. We exempt $1,000. 2. That incomes above the limit should be taxed only in proportion to the sur- plus by which they exceed the limit. "We allow the same deduction of $1,000 from all incomes. 3. That all sums saved from income and invested should be exempt from tax. That also is provided for in our proposition. Then he proceeds : An income tax fairly assessed on these principles would be, in point of justice, the least exceptionable of all taxes. The objection to it in the present low state of public morality is the .impossibility of ascertaining the real incomes of the con- tributors. The supposed hardship of compelling people to disclose the amount of their incomes ought not, in my opinion, to count for much. . . . Notwithstanding, too, what is called the inquisitorial nature of the tax, no amount of inquisitorial power which would be tolerated by a people the most disposed to submit to it could enable the revenue oflScers to assess the tax from actual knowledge of the circum- stances of contributors. 304 SPEEOHES AND EEPOKTS OF JOHN SHERMAN. Here we have the testimony of this distinguished writer on politi- cal economy, broadly in favor of the continuance of the income tax ; and he has repeatedly, as a member of the House of Commons, voted for it. But, to come back to some of our own authors, Mr. Amasa Walker, lecturer on political economy in Amherst College, has written a very- good work on the " Science of Wealth," in which he says, at page 322: It is unnecessary to say that this tax is in perfect accordance with the first maxim laid down by Adam Smith, " that every man should be taxed according to the revenue he derives under the State," and also consistent with every other prin- ciple we have stated. It is "clear and plain" to the contributor and every other person. The income-tax-payer knows when and how much he pays, and it can be collected as conveniently and economically ^as any other. ... Of all modes of taxation this is the moat just and equitable. Every man can afford to pay according to his income, and ought to do so. There is no other perfect standard of taxation ; none other which does not inflict more or less hardship and injustice. . . . Were it to supersede all other forms of taxation, perfect equality would be established. Property and labor would bear each its just share of the public burdens. Sir, if we could devise a system of taxation that levied upon the aggregate income of all the people of the United States a fair and rigJatful tax, it would be, as Mr. Walker says, the best of our taxes, lie says further : The objection to this form of taxation is the difficulty of ascertaining what a person's actual income is. In the first place, it is said that many do not know their own affairs so as to be able to state their true income. There is doubtless much of truth in this ; but the very fact that such a tax is certain to be enforced every year will, in a short time, remove this difiiculty to a considerable extent, because men will be compelled so to keep their accounts as to know what they gain or lose. The operation of the law in this respect therefore is favorable to private interest. . . . Secondly, it is said that some men will be dishonest in their disclosures and state- ments, and therefore a correct result can not be reached. That many men are dis- honest there can be no doubt ; but when the law taxing incomes is regularly en- forced from year to year, the difflonlty of concealment on the part of the tax-payer is constantly increasing. His neighbors and competitors in business have an eye upon him if they believe he is making false statements, and he can not long escape detection. . . . The immense difference between the reported incomes of the United States in 1864 and those of 1863, even after allowing for the general rise of prices, serves to give an idea of the advance that wiU naturally be made in the ap- plication of the income tax. And I may say here that under the same law every year the income tax is increasing, although the actual income of the country is dimin- ishing. Every year that the law is enforced we ai-e getting nearer to an accurate income tax. Mr. Walker says further : The third objection made is that men do not always like to have their incomes known, liut why should they not? We have already said that in the matter of taxation all are copartners, having a pro rata interest; what one does not pay an- other must. All therefore may rightfully demand such information as shall furnish the means of assessing a correct tax. . . . Our purpose is to show that so far as practicable it (the income tax) is tlje most just and economical mode of raising a revenue. Under the head of " State Taxation," Mr. Walker says : KEOEIPTS AND EXPENDITURES. 305 That mucli hardship may often result from taxing credits as well as property is undoubtedly true ; but that only affords additional evidence that the income-tax principle is the only correct one. And again : The income-tax principle, if universally adopted, while it would doubtless re- lieve poll-tax-payers, of their present taxation, would at the same time bring their interests into harmony with those of property-tax-payers, and thus promote the general welfare of the public. I might also read from another author, a citizen of Massachusetts, Mr. A. L. Perry, professor in Williams College, who says, in his " Po- litical Economy," page 44:4 : An income tax, if the exact amoimt of income could in all cases be ascertained, would be a perfectly unexceptionable torm of taxation. Again : The income law at present in force in the United States has perhaps been subject to less complaint than the manufacturers' tax and other forms of indirect taxation ; and it is becoming more and more productive every year, as the forms are perfected, Mr. President, if Congress now repeals the only tax that rests upon property, the only tax that is drawn from the income of the rich, if we higgle about the tax that is paid by the 273,000 people who pay our income tax, and yet keep upon the people the taxes upon their sales, the special taxes upon their employments, and all the burdens that now rest upon every article consumed by the poor, it will be a sorry spec- tacle. An English Parliament, when appealed to under circumstances much less diflScult, maintained for twenty years in war a tax approach- ing ten per cent, on incomes. After the war was over they tried the other policy. They then renewed the tax, and levied it at the rate of from one to three or four per cent, for nearly thirty years more. And now, when we are paying $30,000,000 to our pensioners, when we are paying $126,000,000 as interest upon the public debt, to complain of a tax of three per cent, upon incomes above $1,000, on the ground that it is inquisitorial, unjust, and unequal, does not speak well for the patriotism of those who do it. Most of the daily papers in the countrjr seem to be united in the general complaint against the income tax. It is a good evidence that they are doing well and paying well, and they ought to be willing to pay their portion of the tax. I repeat that the maintenance of the income tax is an absolute necessity for any system of internal taxes. If the Senate and House determine after full consideration to repeal the income tax, I shall favor the repeal of all the taxes upon consumption that bear upon the great masses of the people. If I had my way, I would retain the in- come tax at five per cent, on all incomes above $1,000, making such modifications as would afford the proper exemptions, and then throw off these taxes upon consumption that oppress the poor, and take cop- pers out of the dollars of people who earn them by their daily work. Complaints have been received from widows and children whose incomes are less than $1,000, who have had to pay an income tax upon 20 306 SPEECHES AND EEP0BT8 OF JOHN SHERMAN. the dividends and interest received from their stocks and bonds. Now, the operation of the law in this respect is unjust, and ought to be cor- rected by the proposed measure. The operation of the income tax upon Government employees is uniust, because it does not put their income on the same footing as other incomes. The income derived from corporations is now subject to tax without the deductions allowed to other incomes. Why is that ? It is because it is more convenient for the Government to collect the tax from corporations, and yet in that way we do levy an income tax upon the income of the widow and the poor derived from corporations, and do an injustice. If the Senate is willing to go that far, I should be very glad to see this corrected, and to allow all incomes, whether derived from corporations or from interest on bonds, to go into the general income return and to be col- lected directly from the person who receives it, giving all an equal ex- emption. It is proposed in the House bill to increase the exemption from $1,000 to $1,500. I do not think that is right. It may be popular. There are now 270,000 people who pay income tax. If the exemp- tion is raised to $1,500, only about 170,000 will pay the tax, and 100,- 000 people will probably be relieved from it. But should they be ? Is it just ? Is it right ? There is no reason for any exemption, except the fact that the mcomes of those who receive less than $1,000 per annum are necessary for their daily wants. They pay taxes on con- sumption which fully make up their share. When you go above $1,000 you reach a region where persons are " passing rich," as Gold- smith's vicar says, " on £40 a year." They are independent when they have $1,000 net income, after paying taxes and after deducting the exemptions provided by the income law. I do not, therefore, see any justice in raising the exemption, although I can see it would be very popular with the hundred thousand well-to-do people who would thus be relieved, throwing the whole burden upon those who are of the wealthier class. If the income tax is maintained at the rate proposed by the Com- mittee, of three per cent, on all incomes above $1,000, including in- comes derived from 6orporations and from all other sources, the people will gradually become accustomed to the tax, and those who are called upon to pay it will pay it cheerfully. It will be a mode of equalizing incomes from different sources, and will yield us from thirty to forty million dollars annually, probably enough to pay the pensi'onei-s who are now dependent upon our bounty. I have thus stated, I know very imperfectly, the general ideas that influenced the Committee on Finance in reporting this bill. The sub- stance of the whole is contained in the table which has been laid on the desks of Senators, and which I will add to my remarks. We pro- pose to repeal about two thirds of the number of internal taxes, leav- ing nothing but the taxes on whisky, tobacco, fermented liquore, in- come, and stamps ; repealing all the rest, and modifying the income tax and reducing it $14,000,000. This will leave in" force about one hundred and fifteen millions of internal revenue, which will be ample, with the amount we collect from the duties on imported goods, to COINAGE LAWS. 307 carry on the operations of the Government, pay the sinking fund, and leave us a surplus of from twenty-five to thirty millions annually. This is margin enough for an equal reduction in other taxes during the next session of Congress, and this process of reduction will, I trust, continue until all the burdens of the war are lifted from the industry of our people ; and all that will be left of a painful struggle wiU be the increased strength and power and glory of our country, compared with its condition before the war, when internal faction con- tinually threatened its overthrow. COINAGE LAWS. IJr THE SENATE, JANUARY 9, 1871. The bill (S. No. 859) revising the laws relative to tJie mints, assay oflSces, and coinage of the United States, being before the Senate as in Committee of the Whole, on the amendment of the Committee on Finance to charge three tenths of one per cent, for coinage, Mr. Sherman said : On a question of this kind, which involves rather a matter of busi- ness detail, it is somewhat difficult to secure the attention of the Sen- ate, but I hope I shall secure it sufficiently to show that this amend- ment is vital to the passage of this bill. Without this amendment I certainly would not vote for it, and I imagine that a majority of the Senate would not if they understood the subject as thoroughly as most of the Committee on Finance, who have examined it. The original bill, introduced by me at the last session of Congress, retained the old mintage charge of one half of .one per cent, on the gold coin of the United States. That bill was submitted . to all the experts of the United States on. the subject of mintage, and received the hearty approval of nearly every one of them, and generally (I think without any exception but the officers of the mint in San Francisco) they were in favor of retaining the minting charge, as it is called. I have before me the testimony of Mr. Patterson, who, I presume, is regarded as the best expert in the United States in the minting busi- ness, and he speaks of the retention of the mintage charge in the bill introduced at the last session of Congress in these words : The present one half per cent, coinage charge is retained. -The only mint where coinage is free is the British, and the political economists and statesmen are so unanimous in recommending a seigniorage that the Chancellor of the Exchequer proposes to introduce it into Great Britain. It would be strange if we, by retro- grading, while she is advancing, should become the sole exemplars of an exploded system. It would, in view of an international coinage, be especially inopportune to abandon a seigniorage, for it is recognized on all hands that under such a code there must be a tax, and a uniform tax for coinage. (See section 25 of revised bill ; also English coinage act, 1879, section 8, Senate Miscellaneous Document 132, Forty- first Congress, second session, page 34.) The theory of the coinage charge is this: that every process of 308 SPEECHES AND EEPORTS OF JOHN SHERMAN. minting should be self-sustaining ; that the mints of the United States are estSilished for the benefit of the people, to stamp the coin, and that the owners of the metal which is coined should pay the expense of minting. That has been the theory upon which the Mint of the United States has always existed, and the theory that has been adopted also in every other country except Great Britain, where it was departed from for a special reason. Therefore, in the original bill introduced last session, the mintage charge was maintained at one half of one per cent. In the amended bill, which was sent to us by the Department after examination, this mintage charge was omitted ; not for the purpose of expressing an opinion against the mintage charge, but for the purpose of submitting that question again to the Committee on Finance and the Senate of the United States. The Committee on Finance, after a careful consideration of the question, decided to restore it, but to reduce it to three tenths of one per cent., for the following reason : Under the old system, when the amount of gold coinage was much less than it is now, the expense of coining gold was about one half of one per cent., and therefore for many years the mintage charge was retained at that rate ; but now, on account of the largely increased quantity of gold to be manufactured into coin, and also on account of the cheapen- ing of the various processes of the Mint, the cost of minting is much less. I ascertained as nearly as possible the actual cost of converting standard bars into gold coin, and the concurrent testimony of nearly all is that it is about three tenths of one per cent. At that rate we propose to leave the mintage charge. Mr. President, there are two questions that must be considered in deciding this matter : first, a question of revenue. It is proposed now by the Senator from California that the whole expense of the Mint, as far as gold coinage is concerned, shall be thrown on the Government of the United States ; that the owners of the gold, whose property is to be benefited by passing through the Mint, shall bear no portion of it. As a question of revenue, I submit to you, sir, whether, when we are taxing almost everything that is consumed, when our system of taxation has extended further than ever before, it is now wise to abolish a charge which yields us at the present rate §150,000 a year, and which will yield us at the rate proposed by this amendment about one hundred thousand dollars a year ? Is it worth while for us now, when we are seeking objects of taxation, to do this duty without any charge whatever, and thus render it necessary to malce up the defi- ciency of revenue from other sources ? But this is not all. It must be viewed as a question of political economy. Now, as a question of political economy, the testimony in its favor is overwhelming. I could produce here every writer on political economy in Engknd and in the United States to show that the coinage c.liarge is defensible and it is maintained by every one of them as proper in itself. Tlio general proposition may be made that the Government ought not to confer additional value upon the prop- erty of individuals without receiving compensation. This Govern- COINAGE LAWS. 309 ment is not establislied for the purpose of promoting the interests of private individuals simply, and the mintage system is not established for the mere purpose of inducing people to go into the manufacture or digging of gold. The mints are established for the purpose of secur- ing the coin of the country from debasement and deterioration ; and we charge to those persons whose coin is stamped with our insignia only the mere cost of the process, seeking to make no money out of them, but not giving them a benefit at the expense of the people of the United States. No country in the world has ever established a system of free coin- age but England, and England has maintained it for one hundred and fifty years against the judgment of every writer, on political economy that has written during that time ; and within the last year a proposi- tion has been made in Parliament to restore the charge on coinage, which has been postponed for the present on the ground that negotia- tions are in progress to establish an international coinage, on the estab- lishment of which all nations will probably adopt a common rule of seigniorage. I have here the debates in Parliament a year ago last summer on this subject. The Chancellor of the Exchequer, Mr. Lowe, in referring to the peculiar position of England on the subject, quotes the opinions of several well-known writers on political economy ; and I will read some of them. Sir Dudley North says : The free coinage is a perpetual motion found out, whereby to melt and coin without ceasing, and so to feed goldsmiths and coiners at the public charge. Adam Smith, the founder of the science of political economy, says : When the tax upon a commodity is so moderate as not to encourage smuggling, the merchant who deals in it, though he advances, does not properly pay the tax, as he gets it back in the price of the commodity. The tax is iinally paid by the last purchaser or consumer. But money is a commodity with regard to which every man is a merchant. Nobody buys it but in order to sell it again, and with regard to it there is in ordinary cases no last purchaser or consumer. When the tax upon coin- age, therefore, is so moderate as not to encourage false coining, though everybody advances the tax, nobody finally pays it, because everybody gets it back in the ad- vanced value of the coin. Our mintage charge is simply the net cost of the process, no more. Again, Adam Smith says : The Government, when it defrays the expense of coinage, not only incurs some small expense, but loses some small revenue, which it might get by a proper duty ; and neither the bank nor any other private persons are in the smallest degree bene- fited by this useless piece of public generosity. So Mr. McCulloch, a well-known English writer on political econ- omy, says : Coins charged with a seigniorage equal to the expense of coinage do not pass at a higher value than what naturally belongs to them, but at that precise value ; whereas, if the expense of coinage be defrayed by the State, coins pass at less than their real value. Because it only passes at the value of bullion. A sovereign is of greater utility and value than a piece of pure unfashioned gold bullion of the same weight ; because, while it is as well fitted as bulhon for being used in the arts, it is, owing to the coinage, better adapted for being used as money. 310 SPEECHES AND REP0ET8 OF JOHN SHERMAN. or in the exchange of commodities. On what principle, then, should Government decline to charge a seigniorage or duty on coins equal to the expense of coinage ; that is, to the value which it adds to the coins ? Eicardo expresses his opinion in still stronger terms. So Mr. Mill, in his "Principles of Political Economy," at great length comments upon it. I will read a short extract from Mr. Mill : If Government, however, throws the expense of coinage, as is reasonable, upon the holder, by maljing a charge to cover the expense (which is done by giving back rather less in coin than has been received in bullion, and is called levying a seignior- age), the coin will rise to the extent of the seigniorage above the value of the bul- lion. If the mint kept back one per cent, to pay the expense of coinage, it would be against the intei-ests of the holders of bullion to have it coined tintil the coin was more valuable than the bullion by at least that fraction. The coin, therefore, would be kept one per cent, higher in value, which could only be by keeping it one per cent, less in quantity than if its coinage WM-e gratuitous. , So I might go on through the whole catalogue. While England is the only nation which has ever coined the gold of private individuals at the expense of the public, every writer on political econoroy in Eng- land has always denounced the system as unwise ; and Mr. Lowe says that when international coinage is accomplished Great Britain will im- doubtedly charge the same seigniorage that is charged by other nations. In France the seigniorage is one fourth of one per cent. ; in Germany it is rather more than oar own ; it varies in different countries, depending on the cost of minting ; and we propose now to reduce the coinage charge from one half to three tenths of one per cent. Mr. President, what do we gain by throwing away this revenue ? Nothing whatever. Suppose we convert all the bullion made in the United States into coin, into twenty-dollar gold pieces, and it is put up in packages and exported in coin instead of in bullion, do we gam any- thing? When it reaches Great Britain it at once goes to the mint there and is melted into English sovereigns, and we gain nothing ; but we lose our labor. When bullion is changed into coin, its exporta- tion is not prevented ; it is more convenient to export ; and the veiy object which the Senator from California wishes now to attain is de- feated by his proposition. He says he wishes to prevent om* gold coin from being exported. Well, sir, if he makes the gold into coin with- out cost, so that it represents simply the value of so much bullion, it wiU be exported in coin and will be remelted in foreign mints, because foreign coin never passes current at its full value ; the TJnited States wiU therefore lose the expense of coinage of this bullion -^vithout bene- fiting any one. It is no advantage to us to give additional value to gold coin to be exported, and remelted in the mints of foreign coun- tries. We get the full value of the gold in our foreign conimerce when it is exported in the form of bullion, and to convert it into coin will not prevent its going abroad. On the contrary, the charge that we make for minting prevents it from going abroad, because it makes the coin a little more valuable than bullion. The United States, in assay- ing gold, charges for the expense of assaying and refining gold. This very bill provides that from time to time the Secretary of the Treasury shall regulate the amount of these expenses, and shall charge the owners of the gold deposited with the net cost. We propose to apply the same OOIFAGE LAWS. 311 rule to coinage that we do to assaying or any other process in the Mint. I do not think it is necessary for me to pursue this argument. The subject has been critically examined. The officers of the mint at Phila- delphia, and, as far as I know, the officers connected with this subject generally, are in favor of retaining this charge, except only the officers of the mint at San Francisco, who desire to enlarge their business at the expense of the people of the United States. This bill has been carefully framed. It considerably increases the expense of the mints of the United States, and it lowers the mintage charge. I believe, on the whole, it is a careful and safe revision of the mintage laws ; and even though the Senator from California and per- sons who are interested in the question are not satisfied with the large benefits conferred on their particular region by its terms, I do not think it is wise for the people of the United States to assume what they have never assumed heretofore, the expense of coinage. The mints are not entirely self-supporting under the present law, although nearly so, and probably will not be under this bill ; but we may make enough profit in coining nickel and silver to cover the expenses of the mints. Further than that we should not go. We do not carry people's letters for nothing, although that would be a great convenience and would increase the number of letters to be carried. We do not coin silver without charging for it ; on the con- trary, we get a profit of about two per cent., and on the nickel coinage we get a much larger profit. We do not propose to do anything for private citizens unless we are reimbursed for the expenses ; and there is no justice, no propriety in taxing the farmers of the United States, or the merchants of the United States, or the people of the United States generally, for this expense of one hundred or one hundred and fifty thousand dollars for maintaining our mints, merely for the purpose of giving a fancied benefit to the diggers of gold in Cali- fornia. I Slink it could be easily demonstrated, if time would al- low and the interest in the subject would justify the attempt, that the miners themselves would not receive a particle of benefit from this abolition of the coinage charge, and that the only result would be that all the gold of California would be forced into the Mint of the United States, there to go through an expensive process at the cost of the peo- ple, without conferring on it any additional value for exportation or use. I think the Senators from the Pacific coast ought to be satisfied with the liberality of the terms of this bill, and I hope they will not press their resistance to this amendment, because I assure them its de- feat, by throwing upon the United States the cost of minting gold, would unquestionably defeat the bill. I have but very few observations to make in reply to the arguments that have been made for the abolition of the coinage charge. The Senator from California [Mr. Casserly], in common with his colleague [Mr. Cole], has fallen upon the idea that the coinage charge is a tax. Nothing is more absurd than this. The coinage charge is simply a. charge by the Government of the United States for a service actually performed to a particular citizen. The Government of the United 312 SPEECHES AND REPORTS OF JOHN SHERMAN. States should not undertake to do this service for nothing, and it sim- ply asks a reimbursement of the cost. This coinage tax, as gentlemen now call it, was imposed in the administration of Mr. Pierce, in 1853, when it was no obiect to seek new sources of taxation. It was then put at one half of "one per cent., not for the puraose of taxation, but for the purpose of reimbursing to the United States the exi)ense of coinage. Up to 1848 the United States produced no considerable amount of gold or silver bullion. We were then importers of the pre- cious metals, instead of exporters. In 1853, however, after several years' working of the mines in California, this matter was fully dis- cussed by some of the most eminent men then members of the Senate of the United States ; among the rest by Mr. Hunter. Why was this one half of one per cent, tax, as it is now called, or charge, put upon coinage ? It was simply done to prevent the expor- tation of the gold coin of the United States. That was the main and leading object. It was argued, with a great deal of force, by eminent gentlemen then in this Chamber, that if a charge was put upon the coinage, as was done by all the nations of the world except England, gold, which would then be more valuable a& coin than as bullion, would not be exported until the balances of trade were settled by our com- modities ; that until bullion, wheat, cotton, and all the other products of nature were exported, gold and silver coin would not be exported, because they were more valuable, made so by their greater cost. The prevention of their exportation, and not the imposition of a tax, was the object of levying a charge of one half of one per cent, upon gold coinage. A much higher rate is levied on silver and other coinage, but one haK of one per cent, was the tax levied on gold coinage, for this reason : a reason of political economy, justified by the history of other nations. My friend from Oregon [Mr. WiUiams] speaks of Great Britain as having derived a great advantage from free coinage. On the contrary, it can be demonstrated by the .clearest figures that Great Britain has lost largely. Whenever money is coined in France, where the seignior- age is only one fifth of one per cent., it never leaves France, because if it should leave France that one fifth of one per cent, would become dead capital ; it can not be exported to England for recoining, and there- fore there is now more than five times as much French coin in existence as there is of English coin ; the statistics show that there is between five and six times as much. The British sovereign is exported from England because the British Government puts lai)or on gold bullion without charge, and the result is that the most convenient form to ex- port gold from Great Britain is in British sovereigns. They go off to different nations, and are recoined by other governments, which charge a seigniorage. The result is that there is now less than one fifth as much English coin in existence as there is of French coin. The coin of Germany in existence, I believe, also largely exceeds the amount of English com. Now, Mr. President, I say that as a question of political economy it is not wise U>r us to put jidditional labor upon bullion and convert it into coin free of charge without regard to tlie revenue ; because the COINAGE LAWS. 313 unavoidable effect of thus bestowing labor on gold bullion, and putting it in a more convenient* shape for exportation, is, at the very first re- versal of trade, to cause our coin to flow abroad, instead of other com- modities. That is the experience of nations, and has been for more than a hundred years. But it is said that, notwithstanding all the arguments and opinions of political economists, England has insisted upon free coinage. I have already suflGiciently explained the reason of that. They adopted it, I believe, in the reign of King WiUiam III. ; and, having adopted it, they have kept to it with the natural tenacity of the English people, while their writera have condemned the policy. I read here from Adam Smith, from McCulloch, from Mill, from nearly all those men who are recognized authorities the world over on questions of political economy, who nave said over and over again that it was a foolish system. Here is the opinion of the present Chancellor of the Exchequer, a man of great ability, who quotes these authorities, reads them to the British Parlia- laent, and says that England has persisted in this thing too long, and to her injury. It is true also that he said at the time when they were codifying the mint laws, that it was better to postpone a change until the question of international coinage should be settled. Now, there is one thing to be considered by our friends from the Pacific coast. This is a bill to codify the mintage laws of the United States. It does not adopt new principles ; it makes but few changes in the general laws, except in transferring the head of the Minting Bu- reau to Washington, instead of leaving the system in the incongruous position of making the Director of the Mint in Philadelphia the super- intendent of all the mints in the United States. This bill is rather a modification of the existing laws ; and the Committee on Finance have therefore refused to ingraft on it many ideas that they have developed and would like very well to see in the form of law. For instance, we are strongly in favor of an international coinage, of assimilating our coinage to that of other nations, and making a common metric standard of international coins by which the gold doUar, the sovereign, and the franc may be interchangeable without recoinage. We have not ven- tured to put our opinion on that point into this bill, because it is not in the existmg law, but would be a radical change. K'ow, I ask Senators whether it is vsdse in this bill to repeal the ex- isting law which, for reasons of political economy, has fixed a mintage charge upon gold coin, and to make an effort to make this codification bill carry such important changes? I agree with the Senator from California, that it is not necessary to look at this matter as a question of tax. The law now levies upon the labor done for the miner of Cali- fornia the trifling charge of one half of one per cent., a little more than the cost. We charge the national banks one per cent, for printing their bank notes ; we charge every citizen three cents for carrying letters in the mail ; and we levy taxes in every form upon various articles of con- sumption — on tea, coffee, sugar, and the other necessaries of life. Now, I say that even if we were about to throw off these charges, whether you call them taxes or not, we ought not to throw off, first, that which is not a tax at all, but is only a charge for a service actually rendered. 314: SPEECHES AND REPORTS OF JOHN SHERMxVN. I trust that this effort to force through this proposition to abolish the mintage charge, in a bill to codify the mint laws, to simplify and make consistent the laws which regulate the various mints of the United States, will be abandoned ; because Senators must perceive that the at- tempt to make any radical change in the existing system in this biU will only endanger it. It is necessary to pass the bill promptly in the Senate in order that it may receive the necessary attention in the other House before adjournment. It is perfectly manifest that the attempt to make an utter change of our policy on the question of the mintage charge, and to follow the example of Great Britain, would simply de- feat the biU, which has already been so long delayed. The whole debate in England upon this subject, which I now have before me, shows that every person who participated in the discussion, without exception, agreed that the system of free coinage was wrong in principle and in theory, and ought to be abolished ; but in the re- vision 01 the law — it was then under the charge of Mr. Lowe as Chan- cellor of the Exchequer — ^the matter was left as it stood, and the reason, as stated by Mr. Lowe himself, was that it was better to postpone any change as to the rate of seigniorage until the settlement of the question of international coinage, when, as a matter of course, the laws of the different nations would have to conform to it. Mr. Lowe, in his speech advocating his views on the subject, quoted all the authorities from which I read yesterday, and a great many others, showing that ex- perience, political economy, and philosophy had concurred in establish- ing the necessity of a seigniorage. Let me state another fact. It is shown, I think, in the debate in Parliament, that while England possesses nearly twice the» wealth of France, and certainly nearly twice the commerce, yet the gold and sil- ver coinage in England is only about one fifth of that in France ; and this was attributed in a great measure to the fact that, as Great Britain coined gold without charge, therefore gold was the cheapest product to export, while the French coin, which secured a local habitation by a seigniorage of only one fifth of one per cent., remained in France ; and so of Germany. Now, sir, I will add another fact, and that will be all I desu-e to sav in reply to the letter of Mr. Ealston, who is cashier of the Bank of Cal- ifornia. I have read that letter. It contains nothing new, except one very remarkable statement, which he did not make with a fuU knowl- edge of the facts, or certainly he would not have made it. He says our profit on coinage is four million and some hundred thousand dol- lars ; that is, that the difference between the cost of our nickel or sub- sidiary coinage and its actual nominal value is $4,000,000. That is very true ; but we must redeem that coinage at pai", and this bill pro- vides for its redemption. We might just as well say that on the green- backs which we publish and print we make a profit of $340,000,000, because it costs us only $1,000,000 to print $341,000,000. But we must redeem them at par in gold ; so that all the profit from our sub- sidiary coinage disappears when the day of redemption comes, and that is coming nearer constantly, day by day. There is one other fact. A great deal of stress was laid by the Sen- COINAGE LAWS. 315 ator from Califoriiia [Mr. Casserly] on the fact that the mint cnarge in this country was a recent one. w ell, sir, up to 1849, I thini it was, the Mint of the United States bought gold of foreign countries in the form of bullion, precisely like any other commodity, and coined it at the Mint. Having a monopoly of the coinage, it practically had a mo- nopoly of the bullion trade of this country. The discovery of gold in California changed the whole condition of things, and this country be- came the great gold-producing country of the world. Then the Con- gress of the United States first turned its attention to the necessity of estabhshing a seigniorage charge, and regulating the difference between the value of gold and silver ; and I have here the report of the Secre- tary of the Treasury, Mr. Corwin, under Fillmore's administration, call- ing attention to the large loss suffered by the United States by this changed condition of affairs, and by the fact that, bullion was presented for coinage at the mints, not imported from abroad as a commodity and purchased at the market price, but presented by our own miners, and that the law made no provision at all for the disposition and manage- ment of this gold bullion or coinage. He therefore recommended that a change be made in the relative value of gold and silver bullion and coin, so as to conform to the standards adopted in England and in France, and recommended that a seigniorage be put upon gold coinage sufficient to pay the expense of it. That recommendation was referred to the Committee on Finance of this body, of which Mr. Hunter was then chairman. I hold in my hand a very elaborate and interesting re- port, of many pages, made by Mr. Hunter, in which the subject is fully discussed, giving many tables. The conclusion arrived at after two years' discussion, by the unanimous vote of both Houses, was, first, that on account of the discovery of gold in Cahfornia it was necessary to change the relative value between gold and silver, by reducing the pro- portion of silver to gold, and, second, that it was necessaiy to establish a seigniorage charge on gold. There had always been a seigniorage charge on silver in this country, but as gold was not produced to any considerable extent — I believe nowhere except a little in JSTorth Caro- lina — there was no seigniorage charge upon it. A seigniorage charge was then established of one half of one per cent. Mr. Hunter states the case very strongly. He says : " If we do not establish a seigniorage charge, the United States may be compelled, at an enormous expense, to convert the whole gold produced in this country into cfin, merely to enable people to export that coin ; and we shall have to go through the same process with other nations." The subject was then fully con- sidered, fully debated'a.nd acted upon, and that seigniorage was adopted. The result is that since that time about one haK of the gold produced in this country has been converted into coin. I will allude to a remark made by the Senator from Delaware [Mr. Bayard] a while ago, which shows that upon one point he is mistaken in regard to the relative value between bullion and coin. I have stated the fact that a charge of one half of one per cent, was put upon gold coinage. By the gradual improvement of machinery we find that gold can be coined for less, and the concurring authority of all with whom I have conversed upon the subject is that three tenths of one per cent. 316 SPEECHES AND REPORTS Olj' JOHN SHERMAN. will pay the mere cost of making the requisite assay, refining, and re- ducing it to. standard gold, and stamping it as Government coin. Three tenths is the lowest ; and even then there is upon the Government the expense of the officers of the mint, the expense of building mints, and a large amount of other expenses. But the Senator says it will not be exported in the form of coin, but rather in the form of bullion. On the contrary, there is no form in which gold can be put so con- venient for exportation as in rouleaux of twenty pieces of twenty dol- lars each, both for purposes of exchange and for purposes of merchan- dise ; because when reduced to gold coin of the standard, it is nine tenths fine precisely, and is in the shape that it is used by every nation in Europe, except England, for recoining, while bullion may be in various forms and conditions, and of various finenesses. The Govern- ment of the United States is called upon, without cost, at its own ex- pense, to convert the whole gold product of the United States, at the expense of the people of the United States, into a form most conve- nient for the goldsmiths and mints of foreign countries. In England, gold coin is ninety-two hundredths fine, and all that is necessary to convert our gold coin into English sovereigns is to add one two-hun- dredth part of refined gold, melt it in a crucible, and stamp it with the British insignia. The result is that, if the balance of trade should turn against us, the most valuable form in which gold could be exported abroad would be in the form of coin. The reason why I oppose the abolition of this charge so strenuously is not because it involves the loss of $100,000 a year, although there is no reason why we should put this labor on the gold product of private individuals, at our own cost ; but it is because I believe it will have an injurious effect in regulating the balance of trade, and take from us, at the time when it is most needed, the actual coin, the life-blood of the country, instead of bullion. The exportation of bullion has an effect upon our commercial relations very different from the effect of the exportation of our coin. The immediate result of the abolition of this charge will be to force all the gold produced in this country into the mint at San Francisco, to be there reduced, at the expense of the United States, to nine tenths standard fine in the form of gold coin. The gold will flow into the nearest mint. "Why should it not be left to be governed like the trade in other commodities ? This bullion is not the bullion of the United States. It is the property of private persons. Mr. Ralston, whose letter has been re*i nere, handles more of this bullion than probably all the people of two of the greatest States of the Union — I believe he is cashier of the Bank of California. And yet we are required, at the expense of the United States, to reduce all the gold product of this country into a convenient form for exporta- tion, so that the mints of foreign countries may talte our gold coin and melt it over without cost, loss, or wastage. It seems to me tliat this will be a bad commercial operation. It may be of some benefit in a local way, by buildhig up a large manufac- ture in one locality, but in its effect upon the commerce of this country INCOME TAX. 31Y it must be injurious. It has been injurious in England. The opposite policy has been beneficial in France. We have tried the opposite policy ±or twenty years, and no complaint has been made except as to the rate. Mr. Knox, who sent this bill to us, complained only of the rate of seign- iorage as being too high ; and I think myself it was too high. As far as I was concerned I was willing to adopt the French standard of one fifth, or the German standard, which, I believe, is one fourth ; but the Committee thought it was better to cover the cost, which is three tenths of one per cent. INCOME TAX. m THE SEKATE, JANUARY SB, 1871. The Senate having under consideration the bill (S. No. 1083) to repeal so much of the act approved July 14, 1870, entitled " An act to reduce internal taxes, and for other purposes," as continues the income tax after the 31st day of December, A. D. 1869, Mr. Sherman said : Me. Peesident : The proposed repeal of the income tax necessarily involves the consideration of our whole financial policy, and can not be hurried through upon the interested clamor of the comparatively few persons affected by it. Nothing is more pleasing than to repeal taxes, and it would be easy to show that the repeal of any tax now levied would give relief. The income tax is now only levied upon those whose good fortune it is to enjoy large property, or whose sala- ries or profits lift them far above the pressing wants that rest upon the great mass of our people. The possession of large property and the ability to earn large income necessarily give to those enjoying this in- come great influence over public opinion. They speak through the daily press, from high ofiicial stations, from great corporations, from cities where wealth accumulates, and with the advantage of social, per- sonal, and delegated influence. I know the power of this influence. Besides, the income tax is subject to some objections which touch the pride and feelings of the influential class upon whom it is levied. From the nature of the tax it must authorize some espionage into the private affairs of individuals, especially if fraud is suspected ; but in this respect it has been greatly modified. It now stands as a tax of two and a haK per cent, on gross incomes over two thousand dollars. If this income is capitalized at $33,333, which at six per cent, would yield $2,000, it stands as the equivalent of a property tax on one and a half mill on the dollar on property in excess of $33,333. It is the only tax levied by the United States that falls upon property or ofiice, or on brains that yield property, and in this respect is distinguished from other taxes levied by the United States, all of which are upon consumption, the consumption of the rich and the poor, the old and the young. I make this the simplest division of taxes — ^taxes upon possessions and taxes upon consumption. As the income tax now stands, it is estimated that it will yield $12,833,000 out of an aggre- 318 SPEECHES AND REPOKTS OF JOHN SHERMAN. gate revenue of $320,000,000, or about four per cent, or one twenty- tifth part of our aggregate revenue. And it must be remembered that the income tax by its terms expires in two years, while we can not hope that the other taxes will be either short-lived or greatly dimin- ished. And now, sir, it is proposed to single out this tax from all others — this tax that bears most severely upon us and upon those best able to pay — and to repeal it, leaving undisturbed all the taxes that bear upon the consumption of the necessaries of life. Now, sir, if I con- sulted my own interest, my own ease, my own advancement, I would yield without resistance to what is the evident current of opinion here, and let the income tax go ; I would yield to the impulsive feeKn^ of the Senator from Massachusetts [Mr. Sumner], who, when the subject was mentioned on Friday, demanded that the income tax be repealed that night, before we went home ; I would no longer contend with personal friends who regard this tax as odious and oppressive ; but my own conviction is so clear that its repeal now is wrong, both in policy and justice, that it becomes my imperative duty to state the facts and reasons fully and clearly upon which this opinion is founded. And, sir, it is due to the Committee on Finance, to whom this biU was referred, and who fully and fairly considered it, to submit to the Senate the considerations which induced them to report against it. That committee is charged with the broad subject of our public finances, embracing in its range not only this tax but all the other taxes levied by the National Government, and the still more important subject of our currency and public debt. They are expected to look with more care than others into the effect of a proposed measure upon our gen- eral financial system. The cries of the few who complain of the in- come tax easily reach the ears of all of us ; but we must inquire wheth- er we can grant their wish without doing injustice and wrong to the whole mass of our people ; whether we can disturb the present adjust- ment of the burdens of taxation without danger to other interests more important, or by shifting the load upon others less able to bear it. The members of that committee are no more in favor of taxes than other Senators ; but we have to keep our eyes constantly on the ex- penditures of the Government, and when you direct these expenditures taxes must follow upon the track of your appropriations with as much certainty as the waves of the ocean seek their level. And not only must we follow your appropriations, but must constantly consider the effect of a surplus or deficient revenue upon the value of the currency and the public debt. If it is of primary importance to approach specie payments and fund the debt at a lower rate of interest, we must main- tain our revenue and our reserves on a stronger basis than if we had only to meet our current expenditure. In the debates we have had on this income tax Senators seem to think that we could save enough in some way to enable us to repeal it ; and perhaps, if the Committee on Finance had power to limit appropriations, it could bo done. AVe take your action as the basis of our labor, propose taxes only as demanded to meet your appropriations and the laws relating to the public debt, and only seek to maintain such a margin and such reserves as are de- mOOME TAX. 319 manded by tlie highest considerations of public policy. When those objects are secured we are glad to be able to repeal taxes, and especially those that bear most heavily upon the people. No man elected by the' people is likely to retain taxes when unnecessary, while many may be tempted to repeal them when prudence forbids it. I think I can demonstrate : First. That it is not wise to disturb the financial measures of the last session, except to remove ambiguities or meet new facts developed since then. Second. That the state of our revenue and expenditures will not now justify the repeal of any taxes. Third. That the modification or repeal of the income tax should be postponed until, by a general revision of our whole revenue system, we can determine what taxes bear most heavily upon the people, and dis- tribute the reduction so as to give them the greatest relief. Fowrih. That the repeal of this tax will affect injuriously the higher objects, namely, the funding of the public debt and the resumption of specie payments. I know, Mr. President, that this is a broad task ; but I believe that if Senators will give attention to the facts I shall submit to them, I can make at least an honest effort to demonstrate each of these proposi- tions. The income tax was an essential element of the financial legislation of the last session. It was fuUy debated in both Houses, and formed a part of a series of measures that was and ought to be regarded as a whole. I insist that we should not disturb these financial measures except to remove ambiguities or to meet new facts developed since they were adopted. The facts now submitted to us by the Secretary of the Treasury show that our estimates last summer were accurate. Some portions of these measures are not yet in force. The entire reduction of taxes made will not occur until after May 1st. Why then exhibit the feebleness of uncertainty ? Not only were these measures fully discussed here, but they were approved by our constituents at the last election. Wherever the Ee- publicans succeeded, it was in consequence of these measures and of the general financial policy of the Administration. Wherever we lost, it was in spite of them, and mainly by local dissensions. Our financial measures strengthened us everywhere, and were a weakness nowhere. . These measures were the currency biU, the funding bill, and the bill to reduce taxation. The currency bill, by enlarging the limit of banking circulation, satisfied a local grievance, by giving to the West and South an opportunity to estabhsh banks upon the same footing as in the East- ern States. And yet a little time has proven that there is no great demand for new banks, no idle capital to invest in them, and no need of more circulation. A right withheld is a grievance, even if when granted it is not used ; and I trust that this right will be reserved to the States in the West and South until they can absorb the circulation granted. I consider it fortunate that it is not too rapidly absorbed ; but this could not be the pretext for enlarmng the circulation in other States until we reach specie payments, in a short time I hope the 320 SPEECHES AND KEP0ET8 OF JOHN SHERMAN. specie sections of that bill will be tlie basis of our whole banking sys- tem, needing only one center of redemption and a prohibition against the payment of interest on deposits, to make it the best banking sys- tem in the world. The funding bill, had it been promptly passed in the form reported to the Senate, would have led to the conversion of at least five hundred millions of our six per cent, bonds into five per cent, bonds before the war in Europe, thus saving $5,000,000 per annum. But the refusal of the Senate to grant the Secretary of the Treasury indispensable facilities in negotiating the exchange greatly impaired the bill, and the delay in the House, and their limitations on the rate of interest, so crippled the loan that, even if the war in Europe had not occurred, its success must have been partial. The enlargement of the five per cent, loan to $500,000,000, authorized at this session, may enable the Secretary of the Treasury to take advantage of a favorable state of the money market to redeem the first loan of five-twenties with new bonds, and thus save $5,000,000 of annual interest. The funding bill is now very much as the Senate passed it, but without the sections as to the banks. The bill to reduce taxation was the largest measure of relief from taxes ever passed in a single measure by any legislative body in the history of mankind. It was a repeal of taxes to the amount of $81,- 266,748. It swept away the taxes on employments and sales — the most indefensible and unequal of all taxes — and it reduced to one third the tax on income, and to one half the taxes on such prime necessaries of life as are imported from tropical countries. Every tax that was retained was carefully scrutinized, and only one of them, the tax on income, is a tax on the property of the rich, as distinguished from the consumption of the poor. The precise effect of that act can only be tested by time. It is not yet in full force. And now we are met, in season and out of season, with a demand that the only tax on property, estimated to yield $13,000,000, shall be repealed. N"o new facts are given us ; no petitions are presented ; no official statement is made ; no other tax is complained of ; but we are urged to repeal the only tax that bears hardly upon each of us. I submit whether it is not better to leave well enough alone, and bear as well as we may our share of taxes ; to stand by the measures so lately adopted by us, and turn our attention to the measures before us that affect the gi'eat mass of our people. Now, Mr. President, after these preliminary observations, I come to test this question by sober facts and figures ; and I shall not rely upon mere cursory estimates made as the Senator from Pennsylvania made his, but upon ofticial documents, each one of which is printed and laid on our tables. Now, for the fii'st time for many yeai-s, we are able to present exact estimates of our expenditures. On account, in the old mode of Ivceping tlie books in the Treasury Department, of lappinf,^ and transferrmg appropiiations, wo were not enalued to state spetiifically what sum was needed for the expenditures of the Govern- ment within a given year ; but now fortunately the law of the last session is in full operation, by which all the old balances arc transferred INCOME TAX. 321 to tlie general funds in the Treasury. The Secretary of the Treasury now gives us a statement by departments of the probable expenditures of the Government for the next fiscal year, ending the 30th of June, 18Y2, which is as follows : Legislative establishmfcnt $3,263,966 34 Executive establishment 17,238,165 60 Judicial establishment 2,348,760 00 Military establishment 28,488,194 00 Naval establishment 20,046,417 77 Indian affairs 6,021,569 03 Pensions 30,000,000 00 Public works 22,838,278 37 Postal service 4,694,383 00 Miscellaneous 14,305,428 60 Permanent appropriations 132,628,234 00 Sinking fund 24,600,000 00 Interest upon the capital of the sinking fund 4,866,933 00 Total $309,639,319 61 Thus the statement of total estimates of expenditure is $309,639,- 319.61 ; but it must be remembered that of these estimates the greater part, nearly two thirds of them, are beyond our control to limit. There is provided in the nature of permanent and fixed appropriations, for the payment of interest on the public debt and the expenses of collect- ing the customs, $132,528,234. There is provided for the sinking fund and interest on it, under the act of February 25, 1862, and the act of the last session, $29,366,933. There is also provided for pensions $30,000,000, making an aggregate of $191,865,167 that is beyond our reach, leaving a balance of $11T,Y44,152 to cover all the expenses of the Government. That includes 'the army, the navy, and the legisla- tive and judicial establishments. All the departments of the Govern- ment must be maintained out of the $117,000,000. It must be remembered that the Secretary of the Treasury expects us to carry out our pledges of economy to reduce the expenses of the Government. If the Government can be conducted upon an expendi- ture of $117,000,000, it will be an economical administration ; it will be no more per head than in the time of James Buchanan. If you make a due allowance for the difference between gold and paper, it will reduce the expenses of our Government to less than they were be- fore the war. But iu order to maintain these estimates we have to keep our expenditures within the limit allowed us of $117,000,000. I ask you, sir, with your familiarity with the course of legislation this winter, whether tins is hkely to be done ? We can not reduce this amount in any item except one. This $117,000,000 includes appropri- ations for public works amounting to $22,338,000. That may be dimin- ished by the action of Congress ; but is there much probabihty of it ? That covers all the class of expenditures called public works, filling some thirty pages of our annual estimates, including the harbor and river improvements, fortifications, arsenals, navy-yards, custom-houses, court-houses, and an infinite variety of expenditures. If this item is reduced to a considerable extent, it will be more than made up by other causes of expenditure. Already the session has de- 21 322 SPEECHES AND REPORTS OF JOHN SHERMAN. Teloped a tendency to embark in new enterprises, or rather to carry on old schemes now renewed. It has been proposed to increase the pen- sion list by $6,000,000, and the bill for that purpose passed the Senate with scarcely any debate. "We have also passed a biU increasing the expenses of the mints $150,000, or throwing away, as I think causeless- ly, about one hundred thousand dollars. This does not include any amount for claims that may be allowed by the Committee on Claims, and the various committees of Congress. There is a bill for the pay- ment of interest to the States, which can not cost less than $7,000,000 if it should pass. Objection was made to my postponing the Sutro Tunnel biU until a more favorable opportunity. This is a scheme to bore through the mountains under the Comstock lode at an expense of $3,000,000. "We have subsidies proposed for every conceivable object in the world — ^buUding telegraphs and railroads, and assisting steam- ships — ^now pending on the calendar. "We have San Domingo, which at any rate, if it is acquired, will take from fifteen hundred thousand to two million dollars, perhaps more. We have innumerable plans for the increase of salaries. "We have propositions to add to the expenses of the Government as multifarious as the plagues of Egypt, but not a single proposition, so far as I know, to reduce the estimates made by the Secretary of the Treasury. If, therefore, I assume that this Congress will not increase the esti- mates proposed by the Secretary, I assume a very doubtful proposition. I should be very glad indeed to compromise on a moderate increase upon his estimates of expenditure. Here is, therefore, the sum of $309,000,000 that must be raised. How can you do it ? How is this money to be collected from the people but by taxes ? Let us look at our sources of revenue and see where they stand. In the same report I find the receipts estimated by the Secretary of the Treasury, as fol- lows: Estimated receipts for the year ending June 30, 1872 : From customs $175,000,000 From internal revenue 126,418,000 From sales of public lands 3,000,000 From miscellaneous sources 16,000,000 Total $320,418,000 Including the income tax, which is a part of this aggregate, the Secretary estimates that we may receive from all sources $320,418,000. Now, let us look at that for a moment. How are these estimates made up ? The estimates from customs are made up first by taking the re- ceipts of the last fiscal year, allowing for a reasonable increase, about three or four per cent., which experience shows the gi-adual growth of our country would authorize to be added to the former returns, and then deducting from that aggregate the amount of duties that have been repealed ; that gives the oasis of the estimate, $175,000,000. It must be remembered that this estimate was made on the basis of receipts in a very fortunate and hapjiy year, under circumstances which favored the increase of our commerce and trade. Any fiuctuation in that trade will at once reduce the reeci])ts. I remember that we were INCOME TAX. 323 legislating in 1857 in the House of Eepresentativee to scatter the money in the Treasury, and the very next year there came a revulsion which swept away our surplus, and we were compelled to borrow money, be- fore we got through with it, at the rate of ten per cent, per annum. I take the estimate from customs to be practically correct. This month the receipts are largely in excess of the estimate, simply because large numbers of cargoes have been landed, and put in warehouse, to be re- tained there till the new law takes effect, in order to obtain the benefit of lower duties. But the most sanguine can not expect that the estimate of the Secretary can be increased, and I doubt very much whether now, in the present stringent state of the money market, his estimate would be maintained by any officer of the Government. In regard to the internal revenue, I have here an official statement showing the items of the probable receipts for the next fiscal year, and we will see how they are likely to be affected by the present condition of trade : Tbeasurt Depaetkent, Office op Iktebnai. Kevenue, Washington, December 27, 1870. Estimated annnal receipts from the several sources of revenue under act of July 14, 1870, on the basis of the returns of the fiscal year ended June 30, 1870 : Spirits |55,682;000 Tobacco 31,361,000 Fermented liquors 6,319,000 Banks and bankers 3,020,000 Income 12,833,000 Gas 2,313,000 Stamps 15,000,000 Total $126,418,000 Even these estimates, made 'bj the Department, are now wfbhin the last two months overthrown. They allow here for an increase of the income from spirits. I have now the official statement, made within a few days, showing that the manufacture of spirits has fallen off nearly one third. I have a statement showing the number of distilleries, their capacity, and their production on the 1st of January, 1870 and 1871. It shows that the number of distilleries in operation on the Ist of Janu- ary, 1870, was 410 ; the number in operation on the 1st of January, 1871, 231. The daily capacity for consumption of grain on the 1st of January, 1870, was 87,351 bushels of corn ; the daily producing capa- city in 1870 was 293,858 gallons of whisky. That has now fallen off so that the com daily consumed is 55,271 bushels, and the daily capacity of whisky production is 192,169 gallons, showing a falling off of nearly one third. I have also another elaborate table, showing that the amount of whisky on hand in the market, of which some is in bond and some has already paid tax, amounts to 45,637,933 gallons, showing an overstock on hand ; and that probably explains the depression of the price of whisky. Most of this has already paid the tax, and is npw in the mar- ket as whisky on hand. The whole amount of it is 45,637,000 gallons, of which about two million gallons are foreign and the remainder do- mestic spirits. The Senator from Pennsylvania seems to think that this is a very flat- 324 SPEECHES AND REPORTS OF JOHN SHERMAN. tering statement, because if the quantity of whisky consumed diminishes the other taxes will increase. So they will, if you do not repeal them ; but they are nearly all repealed, and now we have no internal revenue tax, except on spirits, tobacco, fermented liquors, gas, and a few other articles ; and you propose to repeal the great item of the income tax. Upon this statement of our receipts and expenditures, which is cer- tainly as favorable as any man engaged in business would make, is it wise for us either to increase our expenses or diminish our revenue ? The difference upon this showing would be a surplus in the Trea- sury of $10, 778,680, with the chances all against, us that the estimate on spirits is too high, with a certainty that the expenditures we have to meet will be increased ; and now, witn a margin only of $10,778,680, you ask us to repeal a tax which yields $12,833,000, and to face the new Congress, and perhaps the people in a presidential election, with an absolute deficit. Mr. President, as a matter of course, when these facts and figures were presented to the Committee on Finance, we said, even those of us who were in favor of repealing the income tax, that we certainly would not vote in favor of its repeal until we could substitute some other. This is upon the plain showing of our expenses for the next fiscal year. I think myself these facts ought to settle this controversy as far as the income tax is concerned now. But I wish to go a little further. I promised to show the effect of this repeal upon other financial ques- tions of deep and abiding interest. I say that the repeal of the income tax ought to be considered in connection with the revision of our whole system of taxation; that you should not single out such a tax as this, the only one that bears upon the wealthy as against the poor, upon property as against con- sumption, upon sixty thousand people rather than upon thirty or forty millions, i ou must revise the whole system of taxation with a view, if you have surplus revenue, of distributing the saving so that all may have the benefit of some little relief. It must be remembered that of this income tax, which was levied during and since the war, we have repealed two thirds, taking off a larger proportion than we have of other taxes. We could only afford to throw off one third of the taxes upon the necessaries of life, but we have relieved the income tax from over two thirds at least of its burdens. Now we are called upon to revise our work in this particular, and sweep away this tax without con- sidering the effect upon other classes of citizens who are compelled to pay taxes. Mr. President, when I come to contrast the income tax with other taxes, while I concede that there are objections to it — and I will state them presently — I must say that there are other taxes which the ISTational Government is now levying that are far more oppressive. Take the tax, for instance, on the necessaries of life, sugar, tea, and coffee. "What objection can be made to the income tax that does not apply to this tax, except one, and that is, that the income tax is from its nature a tax of espionage, while the tax on tea, c(5ffee, and sugar is not ? But the tax on tea, coffee, and sugar takes from the little lump of sugar dealt out in charity, or to penury, as well as from the confections of INCOME TAX. 325 the ricli. There is no argument of injustice or hardship that can be mentioned against the income tax to be compared to the tax upon tea, coffee, and sugar. Take also the tax on salt, an article -of prime neces- sity ; and yet we levy on that article $2,000,000. So upon lumber. So on the stamps, which reach every man's business and every man's transactions, and yet nobody proposes 'to repeal the stamp tax. That yields about the sum the income tax does, and a little more. Take the special tax on beer shops. "We collect $1,'700,000 by a special tax on the sale of spirits and beer, and the collection of that, as I will show you hereafter, costs about one third as much as the collection of the income tax, yielding seven times the amount. Now, when you are compelled to levy such taxes as these, is it hard, is it unjust that the wealthier men of our community should at least be required to pay twice as much as the drinkers of beer, as much as the people who drink tea, one third of the tax levied upon sugar, as much as that which is levied on coffee ? Is there something so in- herently vicious in the income tax that, after we have gone over this whole subject, have reduced the taxes to the extreme limit, have dared to take off $82,000,000, we should now at the closing hours of this ses- sion go back to reconsider our action and single out this tax alone, leav- ing undisturbed the others I have mentioned? I do not think so. With all the desire I have had to approach this subject without being influenced by my previous views, with every desire to remove com- plaint, I can not gay, as a Senator, that it is politic or right to relieve the few comparatively who pay this income tax while we are ^compelled to levy these other taxes. And, sir, when this question was debated year after year in the British Parliament, where every man was the repre- sentative of property, the income tax, after a suspension of twenty years, was restored ; and it has been maintained from that time to this, and wiU be maintained until the English people can repeal the taxes upon the prime necessaries of life. Many objections have been made against the income tax. I have not often sought to answer them, because I thought they would answer themselves, ^ut let us look at them. I think 1 have grouped them fairly ; but if I omit any, I am willing to pause and consider it. The first objection is that it authorizes espionage into a man's busi- ness. Well, sir, so do all taxes. Your whisky tax authorizes the most searching espionage, and assumes that fraud is inevitable in the produc- tion of whisky. Ah, but the answer is, a man who makes whisky must be judged by a very different rule from a man who has a large income. Why ? Whisky is a lawful trade, although whisky produces a great deal of misery ; and yet no one complains that we send a ganger, a de- tective, a spy to watch the whisky-distiller ; but if we send a man of respectable presence to inquire into a rich man's income, it is espion- age! Mr. President, we must not refine too greatly upon these things. So take the case of tobacco. Take the case of custom-house duties. On landing at the city of New York, as I have done once or twice, what is the first thing you meet ? A custom-house officer. What does he demand ? He wants to look at your trunks ; he wants to spy into 326 SPEECHES AND REPORTS OF JOHN SHERMAN. your baggage. The first feeling is one of resentment. I think no man can arrive at a port from a foreign country where he first meets the custom-house oflScers without feeling angry that the law authorizes a private inspection of his coats and pantaloons. But no custom-house laws can be enforced unless this espionage is allowed. It is not allowed for the purpose of interfering with men or women engaged in ordinary travel, but the espionage must extend to them in order to reach the fraudulent importer or the smuggler. Another thing. There is not a State in this Union which does not authorize more espionage into a man's private affairs than the income- tax law of the United States. In reframing that law we struck out nearly all its, offensive provisions, and perhaps somewhat weakened its force by this anxiety to avoid the charge of espionage ; but even yet it does authorize an inquiry into a man's income. If the assessor has reason to believe that a man is fraudulently concealing his income, he has a right to take measures to ascertain it, the mildest that were ever put into a customs or a tax law, and yet you complain of that espionage. Why, sir, every State does it. The State in which I live authorizes espionage into a man's property ; they compel him to swear how much {)ersonaT property he has, what it is composed of, and they put a long ist of questions to ascertain it. Is there any complaint made about that ? And yet it is done in every State, and the espionage under this income-tax law will not compare to that authorized by the laws of most of the States with which I am familiar. Another objection has been made, that the income-tax law does not distinguish between income from land and income from trades or pro- fessions. It is said, with a good deal of plausibility, that where an income is derived from a permanent source, it may properly pay an in- come tax ; but when it is derived from a trade or profession, the in- come perishes with its consumption, and ought not to be taxed. That is rather more plausible than real, because, after all, the permanent in- come coming in year in and year out is taxed year in and year out, while the income that comes but once and perishes in its use is taxed only once. Sir, this subject has been carefully analyzed in the British Parlia- ment for more than forty years past. They commence by analyzing or classifying incomes into nv-e great divisions, and maldng deductions from certain classes. For instance, incomes derived from professions were put upon a certain list, and a deduction was made from them be- fore the tax was applied, while permanent incomes were taxed at their full amount. Experience, however, after a number of yeare of experi- ment, showed that this was not founded upon correct principles. This subject is discussed in tomes in the British debates, and also in their works on political economy, until finally they settled down substantial- ly upon the ground that there was only one rule of equity, and that was the rule of equality, to put the same tax upon the same amount of income, however derived, and however brief might be its duration ; on the principle that an income derived from a profession like that of a lawyer was taxed once and perished, unless it was invested in real estate and became the foundation of other income. We have followed INCOME TAX. 327 in this country not the original idea of tlie English law, but its final idea. But, sir, we are told that this is an odious and unpopular tax. I never knew a tax that was not odious and unpopular with the people who paid it. I think if the Senator from Pennsylvania would go into some places in Philadelphia he would find that the whisky tax, which is so popular with us, is unpopular there. I know that in Brooklyn people have organized armed resistance to the collection of the whisky tax, and we have had to caU out nine hundred troops of the United States to go there and enforce it. Those people denounce it as unjust and unequal. We do not think so. Sir, if you would levy only taxes which in the opinion of everybody, or even of a majority, are not un-, equal and unjust, you would have such a tax law as I have never yet seen. "When you come to examine the income tax you will find that it ap- plies, it is true, to only about sixty thousand people ; but they do not pay their proper share of other taxes. Why ? Can a rich man with an overflowing revenue consume more sugar or cofice or tea, or drink more beer or whisky, or chew more tobacco, than a poor man? You tax tobacco at the same rate per pound, whether it is tobacco for the wealthiest or for the poorest. Here is a case of inequality admitted by all ; and so all taxes produce inequality. But when in a system of taxation you are compelled to reach out to many objects, you must en- deavor to equalize your general result by reaching all sources of taxa- tion, and do the best you can to equalize in that way. Therefore, when it is complained that the tax on an article con- sumed is unjust upon the poor, because the poor have to consume a greater proportion of their income in its purchase than -the rich, we answer that to countervail that we have levied a reasonable income tax upon sjich incomes as are above the wants and necessaries of life. That is the only answer, and it is a complete answer ; because, if you leave your system of taxation to rest solely upon consumption, without any tax upon property or income, you do make an unequal and unjust system. I admit that there are isolated cases of hardship. My friend from Pennsylvania stated very strongly the worst of them, which is that by our tax laws we levy the tax upon the whole income of the corporation without allowing a deduction ; and as a corporation is but the repre- sentative of a great many persons, it may be that we levy that tax upon the income of a poor widow who has not had the benefit of the exemption. That is something that can not be helped. We levy the income tax upon a corporation as upon a single body, because that is the legal nature and character of a corporation. It is true that the tax is deducted from the interest and dividend paid to the individual. If it was practicable to follow the income derived from a corporation to the various beneficiaries of the income, every man would say that in. justice each of them should be entitled to the exemption ; but it is not practicable. No tax law can be so framed as to do exact justice. Therefore we regarded these corporations, precisely as the law regards them, as persons, and levied the tax on them, and authorized them, in 328 SPEECHES AND REPORTS OF JOHIiT SHERMAN. the adjustment of the tax among their stock-holders, to deduct the proper proportion from each one. The very diflSculty of adopting any other scheme compelled us to pursue that course. The idea that every stock-holder ought to have the right to deduct this from his income is impracticable, known to us all when tried. But it is said this tax is unconstitutional, and an opinion has been produced here which I have before me, signed by one lawyer that I know and another that I do not know. If I could not get a better opinion than this, one that showed more consideration, for fifty dollars, from the best lawyer in the United States, I should consider him ex- orbitant in his charges. I do not question the reputations of these gentlemen at all ; but it is the first time I ever heard in the Senate of the United States a paid opinion of an attorney — and we all like the profession very well — quoted upon a question of constitutional law in regard to a law that has been upon the statute book seven years. It is enough to say that the income tax has been levied by the United States since 1863 ; and there is no court, so far as I know, that has pronounced the law unconstitutional — certainly no United States court. No decision has been made of that kind. No dictum of a judge can be quoted to that effect, so far as I know. The fact that the question has not been presented, and that we have collected under this tax $150,000,000 from aU kinds of people, is a pretty good evi- dence that there is not much in the pomt ; but if you look at the Constitution of the United States, I think that settles it clearly. The Constitution gives to Congress more power over the subject of taxa- tion than almost any other. "We have the power to levy taxes almost without limit. The only limit is that we dare not levy " a capitation or other direct tax " except in a particular way, and we can not levy a tax on exports. Now, is an income tax a capitation tax ? It falls upon some individuals, but is not levied by the head, and therefore it is not a capitation tax. Is it a direct tax ?/ I think the decision of the Su- preme Court in the early case of the carriage tax — I have forgotten the name of the case — practically settles the question. The only direct tax is a tax on real estate and slaves. But it is not necessaiy for me to discuss a question of this kind which is thrown in, as almost every law that is proposed is said to be unconstitutional. Now let us go a little further. , The opinion of the present Com- missioner of Internal Revenue is quoted as favoring a repeal of this tax. There is no officer of the Government to whom I would more willingly yield on a mere question as to the mode and machinery of collecting the internal revenue taxes ; he has had great experience, and so far as I know has considerable ability in that way ; but if he ever expressed an opinion to a committee of this body or of the other House as to the necessity of this tax, it certainly was extra-official and extra-judicial. If, as it is said by some of the newspapers, he stated that this tax was totally unnecessary, that is only his opinion ; it is not the opinion of the officer of the (tovi'rnment chai-ged with our tinances. As to the mode of collecting spoi'ific internal taxos, his opinion is en- titled to the respect due to that of any gentleman. As to what money wu want, how much we want, how much other sources of revenue INCOME TAX. 329 ■will yield, what our expenditures are or are likely to be, I should be ashamed to say that every member of the Senate has not more ample facilities of ascertaining than he. This is a question not as to whether the income tax is just or not. If the newspapers report correctly that he said it was not, I think we can judge ol that better than he can, because we have a broader view, with greater responsibiKty. I suppose the whole of it was that he said that he would be glad to see the income tax repealed, and I have no doubt he is in favor of its repeal ; but that he undertook to say what the newspapers reported of him I do not believe at all. Besides, these newspapers make him speak in behalf of and in the name of the Presi- dent. That certainly can not be true. The President of the United States has two modes of communicating with us, either directly by his Secretary, or indirectly by the Secretary of the Treasury ; and he never undertook, and never sought, I am quite sure, to influence Congress or any committee by his private opinion, conveyed in this informal way, and no man was authorized to speak for him in that way. But the Senator from Pennsylvania seems to follow in the line of the newspaper argument, that this is a very expensive tax to collect. Sir, the income tax, from its very nature, is the cheapest tax levied, except one. I have here a statement made even by so creditable a paper as the New York " Evening Post," in which, speaking of this tax and u^ing its repeal, it says : " Add to all this that the Commis- sioner of Internal Revenue himself is convinced that the collection of the tax wiU do no good to the Treasury, because it will cost, under the present law, almost as much as it will yield." Such a wild statement as that was made in an editorial article in one of the most excel- lent papers in the United States. I have here also an extract from the " Brooklyn Union," making the same general statement. The " New York Tribune " has made the same statement. If it were necessary to reply to so foolish a statement, I could do it in a moment. Why, sir, the whole expense of collecting the internal revenue, whisky tax and all, is estimated at only between five and six million dollars. It is only about an average of four per cent., or a little more ; while this income tax as now reduced will yield $12,833,000. Instead of this being an expensive tax, it is the cheapest tax col- lected by the National Government from internal revenue, except the tax on banks. The tax on banks is collected from sixteen hundred corporations by the Treasury of the United States without costing the Government one cent. The income tax, from its very nature, is the next cheapest tax on the Kst. This fact is shown in an ofBeial report made by the Secretaiy of the Treasury three years ago. "While the general average of collecting taxes was then between three and four per cent., the estimated expense for collecting the income tax was not over two per cent. "Why is that ? The income tax is collected from corporations in large masses. Take, for instance, the Pennsylvania Railroad Company. The income tax on their dividends is collected in a single sum, in great masses, at a cost of comparatively nothing. All the tax on corporations is collected with scarcely any perceptible ex- pense, except by swelKng the sum paid to the assessors and collectors. 330 SPEECHES AND EEPORTS OF JOHN SHERMAN. The tax on salaries is collected without cost by disbursing oflBcers ; and the personal tax on incomes is collected from a few prominent, well-known persons, to whom any assessor can go. It is collected only in wealthy districts. The Senator from Pennsylvania himself said that it was collected mainly in twenty-three districts ; that all the income tax collected out- side of twenty-three districts amounted to an inconsiderable sum. It is collected in districts where, from the nature of the case, we must have revenue officers to collect other special taxes, on whisky and beer shops, and various other taxes. The income tax is collected in weal- thy communities where, as long as our internal revenue system stands, we must necessarily have assessors and collectors. Why, sir, the repeal of the income tax would not result in the dismissal of a single assist- ant assessor, because there is no district in which the income tax is paid to any considerable amount where there are not whisky and beer shops, and where the whisky and tobacco and other internal taxes are not levied. By law you must estabhsh in every county of the United States a place where stamps can be sold ; and the actual commission or cost of selling stamps, although the most convenient form of revenue, is five per cent., while the collection of the income tax costs only from two to four per cent. In my judgment the whole of this $12,833,000 will be brought into the Treasury at an expense not to exceed three or four hundred thousand dollars, or from two to three per cent. There is only one other topic in this connection to which I wish to allude. While those who have large incomes complain of this tax — and I know they have complained of it to me bitterly — it must be re- membered that the result of the war has enormously increased the value of all investments. I have now in my mind a single corporation,' the stock" of which before the war might have been bought for from twenty to forty cents on the dollar, and now it is worth two hundred. Why this increase in values? Because of the strength of our country. Every man buys and sells land in the United States with confidence in its value. The holders of property, those whose good fortune it is to en- joy large incomes, have been benefited by the effect of the war, not only m enhancing business, in furnishing us paper money and facilities for negotiating business, but in the actual addition to the value of aU the reS estate in the land ; and this is a reason why they should aid by a small income tax to raise the necessary money to meet the expenses growing out of the war. This income tax is just as much a war tax now as when it was levied during the war, because it is now levied to pay expenses incurred in the war. I think, therefore, that in whatever way you view the income tax, whether as a question of right and jus- tice in the distribution of taxes among men, or on grounds of principle, the property-holders of this country ought to be willing that it sliould stand upon the statute book until we can malce a generS review of the whole subject of taxation ; and then, if we find that we can receive from other sources the money that is now provided by the income tax, let lis repeal it, giving at the same time relief to other classes. Perhaps the most "difficult subject that the next Congress will have to meet is the subject of the general reduction and revision of taxation.. INCOME TAX. 331 I know that in speaking one year in advance of the time I am liable to commit many errors, which I will not consider myself to be bound by. My argument as to this bill exhausts itself in the simple proposition that we ought not to deal with the income tax now as a separate propo- sition, but leave it to be settled when we come to revise and systema- tize our whole system of taxation. That at the next session of Congress it wiU be necessary to bring about a general reduction of taxation is admitted on all hands ; and if the state of our finances then authorizes us reasonably to hope for a surplus, I for one shall be wilhng to direct my attention, and join with others in directing the general attention, to the entire revision of the whole system. This can only be brought about by adopting certain general principles : Fi/rst. By a searching reduction of expenses. Second. By availing ourselves of our experience in administering the tax on whisky and tobacco, and, if possible, increasing the revenue from those sources. Third. By a reduction of the interest of the public debt, which can result, only after we have raised the value of our five-twenty bonds above par in gold. The principles upon which this reduction is to be founded must in- clude : 1. A comprehensive review of our internal and customs taxes as an entire system, with a view to repeal or modify those that bear ' most heavily upon the people. 2. We must dispense as far as practicable with internal taxes, and confine them solely to articles the consumption of which is not :^eces- sary or useful, and to such surplus income as will tend to equalise taxes between capital and consumption. My conviction is that after this year we may and ought to repeal every internal tax except on spirits, tobacco, and beer, and such a modified income tax as will reach only the product of capital not needed for the necessaries of life. 3. Such a reduction of the duties on imported goods as will cheapen, as far as is consistent with the absolute wants of the Government, the price of such goods as can not be produced in this country, and are in general use as necessaries of hfe, or as the basis of our domestic indus- try. Upon such goods as enter into competition with domestic industry I would levy specific duties equal to, but no more than, the average rate of duty demanded by our financial wants upon imported goods. This is ample protection to all domestic industry not unnatural or forced by a hot-house process. I have carefully studied the application of this rule, and have now on my table the result of it, showing the application of it to all the great domestic productions of cotton, wool, iron, copper, and steel, and can show that this rule of equity and equality will give to all these in- dustries the measure of protection that they can reasonably ask, and with which I know most of them wiU be content. It is the only rule that will give our home industry such stable and incidental protection as will enable them to compete with foreign labor. If under it any branch of industry can not survive foreign competition, that is the highest evidence that" such industry is forced and foreign to our soil, 332 SPEECHES AND REPORTS OF JOHN SHERMAN. climate, or condition. Such a rule fairly applied, without yielding to local or interested clamor, and without making distinctions between the productions of different forms of industry, would remove the details of our tariff laws from the demagogism of party politics, would give them stability, and tempt capital and labor into those fields of industry where we can compete with all nations. As to articles known as luxuries, such as spirits, cigars, jewelry, and some fabrics of silk, the only limit in the rate of duty should be the limit which experience may show will prevent smuggling. Whatever increased revenue we may be able to derive from these sources above the average should be applied to the reduction of duties on necessaries of life and on raw products. There is a topic introduced here very often by the honorable Sen- ator from Illinois. It has rather been a favorite of his. He is con- tinually talking to us_ about the enormous mass of gold in the Treasury. Whenever an effort is made either to prevent the repeal of a tax or to caution the Senate against any-extravagant appropriation, we are always told that there is a great mass of gold in the Treasury, and wb can draw on that to make good any deficiency. In my opinion, that mass of gold, of which I shall now show the precise nature and purpose, ought not to be considered in this connection ; but as the subject is brought in by others, it becomes necessary for me to answer them. We are told that the surplus of gold in the Treasury will make food all deficiencies in the revenue. The surplus gold ought not to e considered in the question of the repeal of taxes, but should be maintained as the basis of the resumption of specie payments, as the steadying governor of our finances, and ultimately for the payment of such of our notes as may be presented for redemption. The resump- tion of specie payments should be the result of the gradual apprecia- tion of the public credit without a forced contraction of the currency, and, above all, should not be hastened by a forced and unforeseen sale of the gold in the Treasury. The immediate effect of the sale of gold on business is to decrease the price of the gold. As a matter of course, the more of this commodity you throw upon the market the lower the price will be. The effect of that at once is to disturb values, as between the creditor and debtor. If an officer of the Government, without reflecting upon the conse- quences, were to throw upon the market a large amount of gold, he would bear the market down, and perhaps bring ruin and devastation upon the debtors of the country by changing the value of the standaixi in which their debt was contracted ; and if this amount of gold is diminished to too great a degree, the other effect is produced. Un- doubtedly the Secretary of the Treasury might force down gold nearly to par in paper, and might in thirty days compel the resumption of specie payments by the exhaustion of all the gold on hand ; but what would be the effect ? If the resumption of spopie payments is forced bv the depletion of the Treasury, by the sale of all the gold in the Treasury, how can specie payments be maintained ? The whole weight iiiid burden of specie payments will fall upon the Government when- ever the Government resumes. Why? Because the greenbacks them- INCOME TAX. 333 selves are the basis of our bank circulation ; and if this gold is forced into sale, the effect of that forced sale may bring the price of gold to the paper standard ; but the inevitable result would be that we could not for a moment maintain the resumption of specie payments, because we would have no specie on hand to redeem the notes that would be presented. Now, Mr. President, there is a very exaggerated idea of the amount of gold in the Treasury. I have here an official statement made within a day or two, which shows the precise nature and character of this " enormous mass of gold." If Senators will look at the last statement of the public debt, they will find that on the 1st of January, 18T1, the coin in the Treasury amounted to $10Y,802,280.95, and there were out- standing coin certificates to the amount of $26,149,000 ; showing a re- mainder, the actual property of the Government, of $81,653,280.95. The gold certificates are merely deposits of private individuals, and by the very terms of the certificates the gold must be kept on hand. There was a coin hability at that date (January 1, 1871), for interest previously due and unpaid, of $6,32T,196.16 ; and the interest becoming due on that day amounted to $28,479,635. There remained unpaid and due on the 1st of January, 1871, on the principal of the loan of 1860, $4,- 119,000, and interest thereon amounting to $107,775 ; showing a net balance in the Treasury of $42,619,674.79. That is the precise amount. This does not include either accruing interest or notes and bonds. It is complained that while this $42,000,000 of gold is lying idle in the Treasury we lose the interest on it. So we do ; but why is it main- tained there ? If it was not there, we would soon find out the reason. That gold is the only steadying balance-wheel of our whole financial system. It is remarkable that our paper money how varies scarcely the shadow of a shade. The gradual appreciation in the value of our paper money has been almost imperceptible, but as sure as the falling of the snow upon the earth'. Suppose that $40,000,000 of surplus gold had not been on hand ; the buUs and bears of New York could at any mo- ment toss the value of all commodities upon the waves of speculation. There is no power in the Government to prevent at any moment a combination, either for the hoarding of greenbacks or for forced sales of gold, except that fulcrum resting in the vaults of the Treasury, by which any attempt to interfere with the natural order of things and the business of this country may at once be put a check to. "Why, sir, the Secretary of the Treasury saved more to this country in September, T869, by the mere threat to sell $3,000,000 of gold, than all the gold in the Treasury. The business men of this country and its business interests would have been sacrificed by that speculation to a greater extent by far than all the gold in the Treasury. It is only that great balance-wheel that enables the Secretary to keep those spec- ulators in check. But it is said we lose the interest on this gold. So we do. Does not a bank lose interest on its reserves ? It is illogical for us to com- plain of the loss of interest on this gold when we are by means of that gold maintaining at a reasonable price over three hundred and ninety million dollars of forced paper money. The only reserve now on hand 334 SPEECHES AND EEPORTS OF JOHN SHERMAN. to maintain the credit of that $390,000,000 is the gold in the Treasmy, after paying the balances that are chargeable against it. We require of eveiy bank in the United States to maintain a reserve of from fif- teen to twenty-five per cent., not only on its circulation but on its deposits. Why do we do that ? Why do we compel them to hoard idle in their vaults one fourth of their entire capital, deposits, and cir- culation ? Merely in order that they may be able to redeem, if they are called upon for redemption. There is no right to maintain paper money in circulation, either by banks or individuals, unless there is an absolute, demonstrable ability at any time to redeem that circulation. The only reserve that has been retained by the Grovemment to steady the market price of this paper money, to appreciate its value, and ulti- mately to reach specie payments, is that $42,000,000 of gold lying idle in the Treasury ; and that gold does not bear so large a proportion to our circulation as the feeblest and most insignificant bank in the most remote Western State is compelled to maintain day by day, to guard against the uncertainty of the redemption of its notes, although they may be secured by United States bonds. Therefore, I say it is illogi- cal to complain about the hoarding of this gold merely because we lose interest on it, when we gain interest on $390,000,000 of paper money. We gain $32,0.00,000 and we lose $2,500,000. The true policy of specie payments, in my judgment, is to offer in exchange for our notes such a bond as can probably be maintained at par with gold, and with such an ample reserve of gold that dissentients can be paid in coin if demanded. In this way the United States can cease to make money, except the standard coin at the mints, and the business of banking, like any other business, may be left to private in- dividuals under general law. The United States can protect the note- holder with the most absolute security, and the amount of paper money may be left to the laws which limit the amount of other productions ; and each producer and consumer will, in an imperceptible way, affect its quantity just as he does the quantity of wheat, corn, or cotton pro- duced and consumed. The vast benefit conferred upon the United States by the national banking system will then be fuUy realized. It combines private capital and enterprise with Government security and uniform value, and will never be jeopardized by State banks or the impracticable idea of an exclusive metallic currency. Mr. President, the financial success of this Administration has 'been wonderful indeed, and we who are its agents to some extent can with pride congratulate ourselves upon the beneficial effects of the Adminis- tration upon the finances of our country. Let us look at it for a mo- ment. When General Grant came into power a paper dollar was worth only seventy-one cents in gold ; to-day it is worth ninety-one cents in gold, or an advance of nearly twenty-seven per cent., without any dis- tress and without any contraction. The same amount of greenbacks is now afloat, and yet the steady, advancing credit of our country has appreciated their value twenty-seven per cent. Our five-twenty bonds when Genera] (3 rant camo into power were worth oifjlity-three cents in gold ; now they a)-c woi-tli ninety-seven in gold, without any con- sidunible diminution of their amount, and by the simple appreciation INCOME TAX. 335 of our public credit ; and, in my judgment, within a very short time they will be at par, and will be paid off. The banks nave not been disturbed in their loans to the people, but have increased them. Everybody believed that when we approached specie payments the banks would be compelled to contract ; and yet, during afl. this time, while we are approaching specie payments so rapidly, the banks have enlarged their loans. On the 1st of March, 1869, they were $658,000,000, and now they are $712,000,000. Not only that ; the debt has been reduced, not by an increase of taxes, but by a saving in expenditures of nearly two hundred million dollars. I admit that much of the expenditure incurred during Mr. Johnson's administration was for floating and unsettled debts of the late war. I am not now making any political allusion at all, nor seek- ing to arraign that Administration. I only speak of it as a fact that, with diminished taxes, increased value of our paper money, and in- creased value of our bonds, we have paid off nearly two hundred mil- lion dollars of indebtedness, and are now within a few cents of specie payments. While this process was going on we were able at the last session to reduce our taxes over eighty-two million dollars a year, by a carefully adjusted system, in which nearly all the obnoxious taxes, and two thirds of the income tax, about which we are now talking, were swept away. We confidently expect at the next session not only again largely to re- duce taxes, but to so adjust them that those that remain will fall more lightly on our people. These things may play but a small part in the political debates of the day, but they ace the strength of this Adminis- tration. This tax affects, it is true, about eight hundred office-holders of the United States — certainly not over a thousand, including officers of the army. It is said that it affects some officers in some of the States. How many ? How many officers of States have salaries of over $2,000 after their taxes and other things are paid ? Yery few indeed. If they want to appeal to the constitutionality of the law, let them do it, and I have no fear of the results It affects some fifty or sixty thousand people who are able to pay it. To say that this is a discriminating tax against them, is to say that the EngKsh Government, in the adjustment of their taxes, have levied upon themselves the same kind of tax since the time of Sir Robert Peel. 'Mr. President, I have been threatened in every way about this mat- ter. I will read what the " Brooklyn Union " has to say about those who insist on maintaining the income tax — a paper published in the very town where the population is in arms against the whisky tax, I am told; Here is what the editor of the " Brooklyn Union " — who is also the editor of the IS'ew York " Independent," and no doubt has an excellent income, and I am glad of it — says : " The people mean to have this tax out of the way, even if they have to put the men out of the way who are responsible for its continuance." Sir, there are sixty thousand, all told, who have to pay this tax. We are all in that favored sixty thousand, because the people of the United States give us over $2,000 a year. We are compelled to pay 336 SPEEOriES AND KPPORTS OF JOHN SHERMAN. this tax. And now every man who thinks it is better to retain this tax a while longer is threatened with the indignation of the people. I am inclined to think that we shall be able to endure and survive it. Sir, the same threats were made against Sir Eobert Peel when he proposed to renew the income tax. The politicians of that day de- nounced him, and were able after a while to punish him to some extent ; but it did not deter him. It was the reorganization and reinstitution of the income tax in England that led to that revision of taxes which changed the whole current of affairs in England ; and I believe now that if the property-holders of this country, who are compelled to pay the income tax, will bear with it a little while longer, for the two years during which it is to exist, they will never have cause to regret it. So far as my own State is concerned, I am impartial in this matter. The State of Ohio pays her full proportion of the income tax according to her population. I have here the statement. Most of the Western States pay but little income tax, but Ohio pays dollar for dollar, accord- ing to her population. The old tax was just about a dollar an inhabi- tant. Ohio pays her share ; and I have it to say, for the men of Ohio who pay this income tax, that, with very rare exceptions, such as I do not wish to name, they have not corhplained of the tax, but are willing to bear their share of it. But, impelled by a sense of duty, in the in- terest of the whole people, I feel bound, without any regard either to my own interest or that of my State, to maintain this and all other taxes until I can see daylight ahead and a better time to repeal them. INTEENAL TAXES AND TAKIFF. m THE SENATE, MARCH 15, 187S. The Senate, as in Committee of the Wliole, Ijaving resumed the consideration of the hill (H. E. No. 173) to repeal the duties on salt, Mr. Shferman said : Me. Pbesident : I am sorry that, even for a moment, the evil shadows of our long political debates are cast upon a purely business discussion, which affects the interests of all the people of the United States, and yet need not excite any political feeling, or any division of opinion except upon questions of dry political economy. I take it that it will be most agreeable to Senators if I confine my remai'ks this morning to a general statement of the condition of the country, to such facts as in my judgment authorize us to enter, for the sixth time since the close of the w^ir, upon a repeal of taxes, and also to state the gen- eral principles upon which this reduction is proposed, rather than to burden you with elaborate details. Those will be more properly stated ■ as the debate progresses. The taxes already repealed yielded $233,000,000. But our revenues still largely exceed our expenditures, and we ai-e justified by several reasons in continuing the repeal of taxes. Those which remain yield INTERNAL TAXES AND TARIFF. 337 largely more tlian in former years, and more than was estimated by the most sanguine person. The production of the country has greatly increased. Lidustry in almost every department has been activSy em- ployed. The consumption of our people, which under our system of revenue is chiefly the basis of taxation, has by the prosperity of our industry been also largely increased. At the same time the national expenditures are diminishing. Our financial condition is improving in every particular. "We are slowly but siu-ely, without contraction or ex- pansion, but by the increasing uses of our paper money, approaching a specie standard. The interest of our debt is daily diminishing, through the diminution of the principal and the reduction of the rate on that which remains. All these favorable circumstances enable us to ap- proach the question' of the further reduction of taxes with more system and better information than formerly, and, I trust, with the sincere desire to make the reduction in such manner as to yield the largest possible relief to our people. The only questions to be considered are, how much and what taxes ought to be repealed ? Let me first state how the subject now comes before us. On the 14th of March, 1871, the House of Kepresentatives passed three bills : A bill to repeal the duty on coal ; a bill to repeal the duty on salt ; and one to repeal the duty on tea and coffee. The duties thus proposed for repeal yielded last year $21,000,000. • The Committee on Finance was of the opinion that it was not wise to consider these bills, except in connection with the whole subject of revenue reduction. On the 12th of April, 1871, the Senate passed the following resolution : Sesohed, That the Committee on Finaiice is hereby instructed, during the re- cess of Congress, to carefully examine the existing system of taxation by the United States, with a view to propose such amendments to the bills of the House of Repre- sentatives repealing certain taxes, now pending in the Senate, as wiU simplify, re- vise, and reduce both the internal taxes and the duties on imported goods now in force ; and so that the aggregate of such taxes shall not exceed the sums required to execute the laws relating to the public debt, and to pay the current expenditures of the Government, administered with the strictest economy; and so that such taxes may be distributed as to impose the least possible burden upon the people. In obedience to these instructions the Committee on Finance did during the recess examine in detail the laws imposing taxation, and agreed upon amendments to both the tari£E and internal revenue laws. But in reporting to the Senate our action, we had to consider the power of the Senate over revenue bills. The powers of the two Houses in this respect are regulated by article one, section seven, clause one, of the Constitution of the United States, as follows : All hills for raising revenue shall originate in the House of Representatives, but the Senate may propose or concur with amendments, as on other bills. This provision has often been the subject of controversy between the two- Houses. We had before us three bills of the House, with the unquestioned power to propose amendments to either of them. It was clear that, if the House proposed to repeal or modify certain taxes, the Senate could propose instead to repeal or modify other taxes. But as aU the taxes proposed for repeal by the House were customs duties, 22 338 SPEECHES AND KEP0ET8 OF JOHN SHERMAN. ■the question arose whether we could, in the way of amendment, pro- pose the repeal of internal taxes. The parliamentary law, as well as the practice heretofore, settled this question in the affirmative. The subjects are germane to each other. They are both " bills for raising revenue." The distinction is only as to the subjects and mode of taxa/- tion. The House has itself repeatedly connected the two in one bill, and notably so in the act passed two years ago. The modification of one compels the modification of the other. The logic of the subject matter compels us to consider the whole revenue, when proposing to reduce either form of taxes. Still, to avoid all possible dispute, the Committee on Finance thought it advisable, while considering the whole subject of taxation, to confine their amendments to customs duties, and to offer these amendments to one bill rather than to three. The amount of customs revenue proposed for repeal by the House sub- stantially conforms to that proposed by the Senate. The House will no doubt in due time pass a bill to reduce internal taxes, when the Senate can propose its amendments. In debate, however, we must consider the subject as a whole, and must therefore consider how much revenue we can dispense with, and what taxes ought to be repealed or modified. Since the close of the war it has been the highest public policy to maintain our revenue at a point largely in excess of our expenditures ; for a large surplus revenue has been not only useful in paymg unliqui- dated debt, but also of great ■ importance in reestablishing the pubKc credit, in improving our currency, and in reducing the rate of interest to be paid. But the time has now arrived when we can safely reduce our revenues to barely enough to pay the expenses of the Govern- ment, economically administered, the interest on the public debt, and such additional sum as it may seem to be good policy to apply on the principal. The expenditures during the fiscal year ending June 30, 1871, including interest, were $292,177,188.25 ; for the current fiscal year (partly estimated), $293,403,382.92 ; for the next fiscal year (estimated), $273,025,773.99. These sums exclude the sinking fund and all pay- ments on the principal of the debt. The net receipts of the Govern- ment during the last fiscal year were $383,323,944.89 ; for the current fiscal year (partly estimated), $365,198,374.60 ; for the next fiscal year (estimated), $359,000,000. The actual surplus revenue for the "year ending June 30, 1871, was $91,146,776.64 ; for the current fiscal year (partly estimated), $71,794,991.68 ; for the next fiscal year (estimated), $85,974,226. The question arises, how far the estimates of expenditure will be increased by additional appropriations by Congress. It is not probable that any material change will be made in the abrogate appropriations for the current fiscal year, while our current receipts are largely in excess of the estimates. The increase is caused, to some extent, by the importation of goods in place of duty-paid goods destroyed by the fire at Chicago. The estimate of the Secretary of the Treasury contem- plates a reduction of expenditure for the next fiscal year, as compared with this year, of more than twenty million dollars, or, as compared with last year, of more than nineteen million ; but this is explained. INTEENAL TAXES AND TARIFF. 339 mainly by the exclusion from the estimates of the premium paid on bonds and the premium received on gold, which balance each other. The estimates are based upon appropriations required by existing laws. They can be, and ought to be, diminished in several important branches of the public service. The abolition of the franking privilege, the reduction of public printing, the reduction of the internal revenue service, a close scrutiny of the pension list, a careful limitation of ap- propriations for public buildings, and a general cutting off of expendi- tures that grew out of the war, but which have survived the war, would enable us to repeal other taxes without injury to the public service. On the other hand, the wants of a great and growing country like ours, exercising new powers, extending daily its influence into new regions within our own limits, and into far-distant countries whose civilization is more and more influenced by commerce with us — all these compel a gradual increase of just and proper expenditure. Such an increase does not indicate extravagance, but it does indicate growth, health, and strength. There is another cause of a nominal increase of expenditure, which operates slowly and silently, but as surely as the march of invention and civilization. It is in the changing purchasing power of money. The dollar of to-day may contain as many grains of gold as does the dollar of a year ago, but its purchasing power is diminishing year by year, at a rate not less than one per cent, per annum. This change is partly caused by the increased production of the precious metals, and by the diminution of labor required, and the new inventions ap- plied, to produce them. But, more than by all else, it is caused by the new device of modem finance which substitutes paper and credit, in innumerable forms, in the place of gold and silver ; so that these met- als are not now, as formerly, the active agencies of commerce, either foreign or domestic, but the mere standard or gauge of value. Even paper money, so called, the greenback and bank note, are crowded from their old use, and the check, draft, acceptance, and bill are the coin of exchanges, great and small, foreign and domestic, to an extent never before known. These facts make less coin necessary than formerly, and, coupled with the actual increase of gold and silver, slowly and surely depress their purchasing power, and make a greater sum neces- sary, not only to buy marketing or pay for labor, but to conduct a government. This obvious tendency of a diminution in the value of money not only increases our expenditures, but adds to our revenues by the in- creased value of production. . It also largely diminishes the burden of debt, and especially of a national debt running for a long period of years. It is also obvious that, as nearly one half of our expenditures are on the basis of paper money, they have been increased to at least the extent of the depreciation of that money. Salaries have been from time to time increased, to cover this depreciation, the increase in some cases being several times as great as the amount of the depreciation. The cost of all supplies for the army and navy, and of all labor for the civil service, has been enhanced in the same way. As our paper money ap- proaches to a specie standard, we may expect a corresponding reduction 340 SPEECHES AND EEP0KT8 OF JOHN SHERMAN. in tlie cost of supplies, but can hardly hope for a general reduction of salaries. Again, we may reasonably hope that expenditures growing out of the war will diminish as time passes. My colleague in the House, Gen- eral Garfield, made an interesting and accurate statement, showing that out of the $291,564,44:1.43 of aggregate expenditures for the last fiscal year, $175,543,140.27, or sixty and one half per cent, of the whole, was paid directly for the expenses growing out of the late war. The Secretary of the Treasury has estimated for a probable diminution of these expenses ; but we must remember the vast mass of unKquidated, war claims which are now under examination, large amounts of which wiU unquestionably be allowed, and will enter into our expenditures for some years to come. The great mass of our expenditures, probably over eighty per cent, of the whole, is settled by laws which are practi- cally, if not theoretically, beyond the action of Congress. The public debt, the permanent appropriations, the salaries of public officers, the pay of the army and navy, Indian treaties — all these are in effect be- yond probability of diminution. Still, as I have already stated, there are reforms which, if adopted by Congress, would enable us to propose a greater reduction of taxes than it is prudent for us now to do. I wish to call the attention of the Senate for a moment to some re- marks made in the House of Kepresentatives by one of its most distin- guished members, on this very point, which I think are apt to mislead the public at large, as well, perhaps, as the Senate and the House. The chairman of the Committee of ways and Means, in cautioning the House against a too extravagant expenditure of the public money, has estimated for new items of appropriation, in addition to the sum of $273,000,000 which I have already given, and which he says were omitted from the estimates. But this is, by a careful examination, easily explained. He says : Now, I want to call the attention of the House to what the officers of the De- partment have added to this amount : Estimates for 1872-"78, not including pay toward public debt $2'78,026,773 To be added : Omissions from estimates $1,500,000 Deficiency bill 6,200,000 Buildings in Chicago ; . . . 4,000,000 Buildings in Hartford 800,000 Buildings in St. Louis 250,000 Buildings in Albany 850,000 Buildings in Indianapolis 100,000 Buildings in Quinoy 160,000 Buildings in Trenton 260,000 Corporation tax to be refunded 2,600,000 Pensions dated back up to and including 1878 10,664,686 Washington treaty 810,000 26,674,665 Total 8299,600,458 On a careful analysis of tliis statement I find that his fears are en- tirely unfounded, and that tlie estimates already given by me include every item of expenditure, with but few exceptions, that are necessary INTERNAL TAXES AND TARIFF. 341 to be provided for by law. Tbey are rather over- than under-esti- mated. For instance, as to omissions from the estimates, stated by him at $1,500,000, I can find none such. The deficiency bill he puts at $6,200,000 ; but that is a deficiency for this year, not for the next year. It does not so into the expenditures of next year at all, and will be paid out of the large surplus revenue of the present year. Then he speaks of " buildings in Chicago, $4,000,000." It is true that we may expend $4,000,000 for buildings in Chicago, but our receipts have been increased more than twice $4,000,000 by the destruction of duty-paid goods in that city ; and all the expenditures necessary to be incurred by the United States in the reconstruction of buildings in Chicago will be more than counterbalanced by the gain upon duty-paid goods, which must be imported to supply the place of those destroyed by the fire. Another item is, " Corporation tax to be refunded, $2,500,000." In the first place, the bill for the refunding of taxes has not yet passed ; but, if it does pass, it will only take so much money out of the current receipts for this year, of which there is a large surplus. The " pensions dated back to and including 18T3 " are estimated by him at $10,664,685. It is enough to say that the House of Eepresen- tatives, probably without a careful examination of the subject, passed that biU ; but I am assured there is not the slightest probability that it wiU pass the Senate, or be even reported. The chairman of the Com- mittee on Pensions informs me that there is no probability or possibil- ity of such a biU passing at this session. So I find that, of afl the items of increase to be provided for ac- cording to this statement, there is but $1,710,000 left, while on the other hand the Committee on Appropriations in the House has already, to its credit, largely reduced the estimates of the Secretary of the Treasury. For instance, the fortification bill, which is estimated at $3,219,000, is reduced in the House of Eepresentatives to $1,985,000. The appropriations for public works, instead of being $19,468,000, will, I am told, in the single item for rivers and harbors, be reduced about six million dollars ; and there is scarcely a possibility, certainly no probability, that Congress will authorize, all told, for public build- ings, the amount of $19,468,000 estimated by the Secretary of the Treasury. It is likely that certain public buildings will be erected, but it is not probable that the amount named for them in the annual esti- mates will be expended for that purpose. I assume, then, upon the estimate of the Secretary of the Treasury, that the sum of $273,025,773.99 will be required to meet the interest on the public debt, the pension list, and the other proper expenditures of the Government. To this must be added such further sum as, by a wise public policy, ought to be applied to the reduction of the debt. So much of this sum as is set apart as a sinking fund, under the acts of February 25, 1862, and July 14, 1870, is not open to discussion. This fund consists of two items, to wit : one per cent, of the aggregate debt, or $22,895,930, and the interest upon the capital of the sinkmg fund, which next year will be $5,783,333 ; making together an aggregate of $28,679,263. This sum, increasing year by year, is specifically pledged 342 SPEECHES AND REPOETS OF JOHN SHEEMAN. to the reduction of the debt ; and its regular pajrment is as much a part of the public obligation as is the payment of mterest. Whether a greater sum shall be applied to the reduction of the debt is purely a question of public policy. There is not now the same motive as formerly for its rapid extinction. Since the close of the war we have been paying interest at the rate of seven and three tenths per cent, annually. We could sell our six per cent, bonds for coin only at a large discount. We had a vast unliquidated floating debt, whicn it was clearly the public policy to pay off rather than to swell the funded debt. Even our liquidated debt was largely in demand, or other short- time liabilities. Our currency was so far depreciated as to affect the public credit in all the money markets of the world. At the present time the change is wonderful. Since the commencement of General Grant's administration the improvement in our financial condition has been unexampled. We can borrow readily at five per cent., and are now negotiating for a still lower rate. All of our six per cent, bonds, which include the great mass of our indebtedness, are above par in gold, and await our pleasure as to the iime of payment. The floating debt is all paid, save that which is litigated and disputed. All om* de- mand liabilities are discharged, except a balance of the three per cent, certificates, and these are being gradually redeemed. Our currency approximates in value to the specie standard, and the Government is strong enough to resume at any moment, the time being only a question o f domestic policy, as it affects debtor and creditor, producer and consumer. The banks in the national system are so generally distributed that they furnish a uniform currency, and they only await the mandate of the Government to maintain that currency at par with gold and silver. Every element which forms the basis of public credit, our strength, our resources, and our fidelity to public engagements, has been demon- strated. No unnatural strain upon our resources is now necessary to enable us to fulfill our public engagements, to resume specie payments, or rapidly to fund our debt at lower rates of interest. But we have a traditional national policy, uniformly maintained in time of peace, founded upon good reasons, and supported by the advice of all the eminent statesmen of our country, that such provision ought to be made as will, if not interrupted by war, pay off the public debt within the life of a single generation, or in about thirty yeai-s. This we can now easily do, and yet at each Congress repeal and reduce taxes. The Committee on Finance concluded that $50,000,000, including the sink- ing fund provided by law, should be annually applied to the reduction of the debt, and that this sum, added to the $273,025,'r73.99 of appro- priations, or a total of $323,025,773.99, should be the basis for detei^ mining our revenue reduction. In estimating the revenue for the next fiscal year, especially from customs duties, we have several elements of uncertainty. Internal revenue, based upon consumption, and customs duties on such articles as tea, sugar, and coffee, may be estimated with reasonable accuracy ; but tlio results of any given rates of duty on the great body of textile and metallic fabrics are proverbially uncertain. An overflowing Treasury, l)eing itself evidence of excessive importations, may within INTERNAL TAXES AND TARIFF. 343 a single year become the indireet cause of a deficiency of revenue. The results of any system of duties can only be conjectured by a care- ful study of trade, and the most sagacious merchants have sometimes vwecked their fortunes by a mistake in this matter. One illustration I remember very well. In March, 1857, we were legislating to reduce the revenue, because we had such an overflowing Treasury.- My honorable friend from Vermont [Mr. Morrill], then, like myself, a member of the other House, said that he would vote for almost any bill which would reduce taxes, in order to get rid of the surplus revenue. At the very next session we were met with a de- ficiency, and were compelled to borrow money from the beginning. The occasion of this was the revulsion of 1857, which paralyzed all trade — the revenues of the country being then derived entirely from imported goods. A long period of time shows, as a general result, an annual increase of revenue of about four per cent, per annum from the same taxes. This increase has been less subject to violent fluctuations with our paper currency than with specie payments. Again, the effect of the repeal and reduction of taxes has always been over-estimated. The decrease of a tax rarely produces a correspond- ing decrease of the revenue. In some cases it causes an increased im- portation of the foreign and a falling off in the domestic fabric, while in others it induces an increased consumption of the article. Since the 1st day of July, 1867, to this time, the receipts from customs have gradually risen, as follows : In the fiscal year 1868 |164,464,B99 56 In the fiscal year 1869 180,048,426 63 In the fiscal year 1870 194,5S8,3T4 44 In the fiscal year 1871 206,270,408 05 This is an annual increase of nearly fourteen millions ; and yet, dur- ing this period, customs duties were repealed which yielded $20,000,- 000 per annum. It is now evident that the customs duties for the cur- rent year will largely exceed those for last year, and there is no appar- ent reason why this increase shall not continue during the next flscal year. The r6ceipts from customs from the 1st day of July, 1871, to the 1st day of March, 1872, a period of eight months, are $146,721,- 000. If they continue at the same rate for the residue of the fiscal year, the aggregate receipts will be $220,061,500. Four months ago the ■ Secretary of the Treasury estimated the re- ceipts from customs for next year at $212,000,000 ; but upon the basis of existing law we may fairly estimate them at $226,000,000. The internal revenue for the next fiscal year, upon the basis of existing law, is estimated at $119,500,000, as follows : Spirits $50,000,Q00 Tobacco 36,000,000 Fermented liquors , 8,500,000 Banks and bankers 6,000,000 Gas t 3,200,000 Adhesive stamps 16,000,000 Penalties 600,000 Articles and occupations formerly taxed, but now exempt 300,000 Tot^l $119,600,000 344 SPEECHES AND REPORTS OF JOHN SHERMAN. This estimate does not include the residuum of the income tax on Sersonal incomes for 1871, a part of which will come into the Treasury uring the next fiscal year, and will make 'fuUy good the estimate of the Secretary of the Treasury, of $126,000,000. "We have then the proceeds of the sale of public lands, and miscellaneous sources of reve- nue, estimated at $21,000,000, making an aggregate revenue for the next fiscal year of $373,000,000, as follows : Customs 1226,000,000 Internal revenue 126,000,000 Public lands 8,000,000 Miscellaneous _ 18,000,000 Total $373,000,000 This will create a surplus of $100,000,000 over my estimate of $273,- 000,000, or of $86,000,000, over that of the Secretary of the Treasury. The general balance-sheet is as follows : Estimated receipts and expenditures for the year ending June 30, 1873. BEOEIFTS. From customs $226,000,000 00 From internal revenue as follows : Spirits $50,000,000 00 Tobacco 36,000,000 00 Fermented liquors 8,500,000 00 Banks and bankers 5,000,000 00 Gas 3,200,000 00 Adhesive stamps 16,000,000 00 Penalties 500,000 00 Articles and occupations formerly taxed, but now exempt 300,000 00 Residuum of income tax 6,600,000 00 — 126,000,000 00 Fiom sales of public lands 8,000,000 00 Fees from United States consuls $566,563 24 Fees on letters patent 620,819 11 Tax on circulation, deposits, etc., of national banks 6,303,684 32 Repayment of interest by Pacific Railroad companies 813,284 75 Homestead and other land fees 646,923 17 Unenumerated 9,051,226 41 18,000,000 00 Total $378,000,000 00 EXPENDITURES. Legislative establishment $3,421,812 40 Executive establishment 17,448,631 38 Jndicial establishment 8,883,360 00 Military establishment 81,422,509 88 Naval establishment 18,946,088 96 Indian affairs 6,446,617 97 Pensions , 80,480,000 00 Public works under Treasury Department $3,104,500 00 Public works under Interior Department 244,800 00 Public works under War Department 14,609,662 97 Public works under Navy Department 1,488,100 00 Public works under Agricultural Department 26,500 00 J9,468,662 97 Postal service 6,474,001 00 Miscellaneous 11,258,826 44 Permanent appropriations 126,281,974 00 Carried forward, $278,026,778 99 INTERNAL TAXES AND TARIFF. 345 Brought forward |2'?3,026,'7Y3 99 Sinking fund $22,895,980 00 Interest upon capital of sinking fund B,'783,333 00 Eeduction of debt in excess of sinking fund 21,S20,'73'7 00 50,000,000 00 Total $S23,025,'773 99 Receipts in excess of expenditures. 49,974,226 01 Total 1373,000,000 00 I wish, also in this connection, as this is a matter of public informa- tion, to refer again to the remarks made by the honorable member of the House of Representatives to whom I alluded a moment ago. He seemed to think that the estimates of our receipts which I have pre- sented are overstated ; and, in order, no doubt, to deter the House from passing too large appropriations, or increasing the expenditures of the Government, he endeavored to warn them against the possibility of a deficiency of the revenue. He said : " The other source of revenue is what is known as miscellaneous revenue. In its nature it is a very uncertain item to rely upon." Then he proceeded, after some discussion, to re- duce the miscellaneous item from $19,384,000, as I gave it, to $12,181,- ■ 3T9. But when I come to examine the various items which compose this miscellaneous revenue, I find they are not uncertain. They vary very much, it is true, from year to year, but they are among the most certain- sources of revenue; and there is scarcely a doubt that the esti- mate given by me is an under- rather than an over-estimate. Among the other items included in what are called " miscellaneous " is the tax on the capital, circulation, and deposits of national banks, which is in- creasing year by year. Last year the tax was between five and six millions, and this year it is estimated at $6,303,000. It is one per cent, on the amount of circulation, one half of one per cent, on the amount of deposits, and a like rate on the amount of capital not invested in United States bonds ; and the whole tax can not be less than from six to eight million dollars. The other matters which come under the miscellaneous head are permanent items of revenue. For instance, the " repayment of interest by the Pacific Railroad." That road, by its improved condition year by year, is able to repay more and more of the interest due. Then we have " consular fees," " homestead and other land-office fees," " tax on seal-skins," " reimbursement of the TJnited States for salaries of store- keepers of internal revenue bonded warehouses " — as stable as anything can be — $557,000; "parting charges, refining gold and silver coin, $200,000 " ; " direct tax," vmich is still coming m ; and so of the va- rious other items which compose this " miscellaneous " item. My honor- able friend to whom I have alluded has undoubtedly fallen into an error as to the character and nature of these sources of revenue. I have no doubt they will exceed rather than fall short of the estimates that have been given. Again, he says that the income tax is estimated to yield $13,000,000, but that, as the tax expired with the last year, as a matter of course, that source of revenue fails ; but he is in error in regard to that. The amount of income tax estimated to be collected during the next fiscal 346 SPEECHES AND REPORTS OF JOHN SHERMAN. year is $6,000,000 only, a part of the whole estimated tax being collected during the present iiscal year, and going to swell its large surplus. Only $6,000,000 was ever estimated for the next fiscal year. He also says : " The Secretary of the Treasury, taking last year, and so much of the present year which has passed, estimates the amount to be received from customs, for the purpose of estimating the public expenses, at $212,000,000." If the rate of duties received during the eight months of the current fiscal year shall continue for the next four months, which months are equally as favorable for the importation of goods, the actual receipts for the current year will not be less than two hundred and twenty-odd million dollars ; and, making the ordinary allowance for an increase, the same duties will, during the next year, unless we have a financial revulsion, produce not less than $226,000,000, and probably as high as $230,000,000, instead of $212,- 000,000. I will not pursue this matter further, because I think I can see very clearly that the object of the remarks of the honorable gentleman to whom I referred was rather to caution the House against imnecessarily increasing expenditures, by telling the very true and very sober fact that every increase of appropriation compels us either to continue a tax- we might otherwise repeal, or to levy a new tax, in case the expendi- tures should greatly exceed the amount of our revenue. It thus appears, upon the principles which I have stated, and upon estimates which necessarily involve uncertainty, that, after applying $50,000,000 upon the public debt, we shall still have a surplus revenue of $50,000,000. Fifty millions, then, is the extent of our revenue re- duction for this session. How shall this reduction be distributed among the objects of taxation ? In what mode will the greatest relief be giv^en to the people of the United States ? Shall this large reduction be made the occasion of the entire revision of the principles upon which our revenue laws ai-e based, or shall we simply repeal or reduce the most burdensome taxes, leaving undisturbed the general principles of om* system ? Since the passage of the act of March 2, 1861, commonly known as the " Morrill tariff," our domestic industry has been protected from foreign competition by duties on foreign fabrics, mainly specific, but, when reduced to ad valorem rates, rangmg from twenty to eighty per cent. Under this protection all branches of manufacture have increased in an unparalleled degree. Old industries have been multiplied and new ones established. In the conduct of our military and naval opera- tions we have relied mainly upon the products of home industry. We now produce nearly all the metallic and textile fabrics necessary for the use 01 man, and the superior invention and intelligence of our mechanics is largely making good the difference between the cost of labor here and in iJurope. The actual cost of the leading jM-oductions of industry is now, under domestic competition, nearly, and in some cases quite, as low as before the war. The market value of all agricultunil products has, by the diversity of our industry and the rapid extension of our railroads, been maintained as high proportionately as that of mechanical fabrics, while INTERNAL TAXES AND TARIFF. 347 the increasing use of agricultural macliines of home manufacture has lessened the labor of production. Wages of every kind, whether for the skilled labor of the artisan or for the rudest form of manual labor, either on the farm, in the mine, the workshop, or upon the railroad, have been maintained at rates which more than compensate for the increased cost of mechanical and agricultural productions. Our protective system has drawn to our country a vast army of in- dustrious laborers. Even the high taxes we have been compelled to impose on domestic industry have not diminished our production, for they are accompanied by increased taxes on foreign products. We may theorize as we wiL, but the actual condition of the country is the best evidence that the industrial policy steadily maintained by us during the war, and siace the war, has been consistent with the most rapid progress, has enabled us to meet unexampled difficulties, and yet has mcreased our imports, our exports, and our revenue. The fear that high duties would lessen our foreign commerce is met by the steady growth of it. Our imports were : In 1869 $414,256,243 29 In 1870 452,876,665 68 In 1871 618,759,518 32 Our exports were : ' In 1869 $413,961,115 In 1870 499,092,173 In 1871 562,618,651 These figures show a steady increase in our foreign commerce, with a growing balance of trade in our favor. We have not the statistics to demonstrate the annual growth of our internal commerce, but we know that its increase has been much greater than that of our foreign commerce, and it is now estimated at the enor- mous sum of $4,000,000,000. The falling off in our merchant marine on the ocean is caused by the substitution of iron for wooden vessels, while, for internal commerce, railroads are rapidly taking the place of water navigation. If foreign-built vessels were admitted to American registry at a reasonable rate of duty, both for internal and external commerce, it would not only encourage the building of American iron ships, but would secure a healthy competition in our internal and coast- ing trade, now absolutely protected by our navigation laws. If, then, the wisdom of our protective policy is to be tested by ex- perience, I insist that it is proved to have been a wise policy in the actual condition of our country. No doubt changes are demanded by the improved and improving condition of our finances. Our taxes must be reduced to correspond with the reduced wants of the public service ; but every industry that has been called into existence by our policy, every skilled laborer whom we have invited to our shores or encouraged to devote himself to a special employment, every capitalist who has been induced by our laws to invest his mone;jr in industrial pursuits, every hamlet, village, and city that has been built by reason of our pro- tection laws, every community of farmers, or laborers, or shop-keepers, whose industry has been employed by reason of our policy, may demand of us that any changes in our laws shall be made Avith careful reference 34:8 SPEECHES AND REPOETS OF JOHN SHERMAN. to the industry, capital, and skill that have been thus encouraged, in- vested, or employed in the development of our policy. All laws that affect the industry of the people should be as stable as fossible, consistent with the inevitable changes that attend human wants, hope, therefore, that in making the reduction of our revenue we will all agree that it shall be so done as to give the greatest measure of re- lief, and do the least possible injury, to any industry fostered by our laws. In the reduction of duties since the close of the war, it has been conceded that internal taxes should first be repealed. They were the product of the war, were new, inquisitorial, reaching every county and hamlet, and were collected by officers of the law brought to the door of every household. The worst of these taxes have been repealed ; but there stiU remain many special taxes which make it necessary to keep revenue officers in every county of the United States. These special taxes are imposed on wholesale and retail dealers in spirits, tobacco, and beer, on banks and bankers, and on gas. Many of the stamp taxes are imposed on the production of such articles as matches, medicines, and the like ; others are on the sale of property and on commercial paper ; while all of them involve the employment of a multitude o f ag ents for the sale of stamps, at a cost of five per cent, on their sales. While pro- ductive, they are annoying, expensive in collection, and in a multitude of cases easily evaded. If the special taxes on spirits, tobacco, and beer can be consolidated with the tax now levied on the manufacture of these articles at the distillery, brewery, and manufactory, and the special tax on gas and bankers be repealed, we can then dispense with the vast army of revenue officers, and concentrate the attention and surveillance of the internal revenue office upon the places where whisky, tobacco, and beer are made. If we can dispense with the stamp taxes, the whole system of internal taxes will disappear, except the excise taxes on whisky, tobacco, and beer, which, by the common consent of both pro- ducer and consumer, are recognized as proper objects of taxation. The taxes on the circulation and deposits of national banks do not enter into our internal revenue system. They are rather regarded as the fund from which to pay the expenses of printing the notes and maintaining the system. The excess collected from this tax over these expenses may properly be regarded as a return payment for a franchise. The tax is collected directly by the Treasurer of the United States, and should be retained. If it be deemed best to retain this tax as against other banks and bankers, it may be collected in the same way and by the aid of bank examiners. In advance of a definite measure dealing with internal revenue, I am prepared to say, without committing any one else, that Ave can and ought now to repeal all internal taxes except those on whisky, tobacco, and beer, and to consolidate and simplify tiiese last. The income tax expires with the collection of the tax of 1871, which, on personal incomes, is assessed during the present month. The public mind is not yet prejiarod to apply the only key to a genuine revenue reform. A iew years of further experience will convince the body of our people that a system of national taxes which rests the whole burden INTERNAL TAXES AND TARIFF. 349 of taxation on consumption, and not one cent on property or income, is intrinsically unjust. While the expenses of the ITational Government are largely caused by the protection of property, it is but right to re- quire property to contribute to their payment. It will not do to say that each person consumes in proportion to his means. This is not true. Every one must see that the consumption of the rich does not bear the same relation to the consumption of the poor as the income of the one does to the wages of the other. As wealth accumulates, this injustice in the fundamental basis of our system will be felt and forced upon the attention of Congress. Then an income tax, carefully ad- justed, with proper discriminations between income derived from prop- erty and income from personal services, and freed from the espionage of our present law, will become a part of our system, just as such a law proposed by Sir Kobert Peel, after a disuse of twenty-five years, was the basis of the revolution in the tax system of Great Britain. If these changes in our internal revenue laws be made, it will re- duce internal taxes $31,500,000, or from $126,000,000 to $94,500,000. But this reduction of taxes will be accompanied by a reduction of our expenditures of not less than $2,500,000 ; and if the new regulation as to the whisky tax should prove practicable, the reduction of expenses will be much greater. This wiU leave us a net loss of revenue of $29,000,000, and with a margin of $21,000,000 , for the reduction of tariff duties. Upon what articles and upon what principle shall this reduction be made ? The House of Eepresentatives proposes to repeal the duties on coal and salt, articles largely produced in this country, and on tea and coffee, which are not produced in this country. The aggregate duties collected on these articles last year were : On coal $638,375 82 On salt 1,175,587 37 On tea 8,322,994 67 On coffee. . . ; 10,969,098 77 In all $21,006,056 63 or just the amount we are able to repeal. Why single out these arti- cles for special repeal ? The whole quantity of coal imported last year was 431,108|- tons. The amount of bituminous coal produced in this country last year is estimated at 15,000,000 tons, and of anthracite at 19,000,000 tons, or an aggregate of 34,000,000 tons ; so that the imported coal equals less than one and a half per cent, of the amount consumed. The whole benefit of this repeal will inure to Nova Scotia, and not to any part of our oountiT. The cost of production of domestic coal fixes its price, and the only effect of the repeal will be to raise the price of foreign coal for the benefit of Nova Scotia miners and land-owners, or more espe- cially for the benefit of American speculators in coal mines in Nova Scotia. ' It will not appreciably inure to the benefit of our consumers. To the precise extent that the repeal increases the importation of for- eign coal, it will diminish the mining of our own. Finding our vast market open and free to them, they will force the production in Nova 350 SPEECHES AND REPORTS OF JOHN SHERMAN. Scotia, and divide the profits between their land-owners, their minera, and their sailors. Our industry will be diminished to the same extent, withoiit benefiting our consumers. Again, free coal will have the same effect upon Nova Scotia that the reciprocity treaty had in Canada. It will give to its people the benefit of our markets without the burden of our taxes on home pro- ducers. It will make the annexation of those kindred countries impos- sible. Again, it is gross injustice not only to our miners, but to our ship- pers. By the settled policy of our navigation laws, no foreign vessel can carry our coal from Philadelphia to Boston ; but under this repeal they can carry it from Nova Scotia to Boston. It is said that a foreign vessel can carry more cheaply than ours. Thus you discriminate in favor of Nova Scotia, by allowing their products to be carried in the cheapest vessels in the world, while our miners must ship in an Ameri- can vessel. You must repeal your navigation laws before you can make coal free. The same vessel that carries coal from Nova Scotia to Boston can not carry domestic coal there ; and yet Boston at the same moment insists upon the navigation laws and upon the repeal of the duty on coal. Moreover, so far as the duty on coal is concerned, it is only claimed that its repeal may slightly reduce the cost of coal consmned northeast of New York. It can not affect the price elsewhere, because, even without a duty, foreign coal wiU not be used south or west of New York. Now, New England has the benefit of our navigation laws and our duties, protecting their industries. Coal is the finished prod- uct of the miner as much as cloth is of the manufacturer. How can you convince the miner that he should not have the benefit of a duty on coal when you demand it on cloth ? So with salt. Salt is largely produced in this country. It is chiefly the product of interior sections, where other manufacturing industries do not exist. The chief sources of supply are at Syracuse, New York, at Saginaw, Michigan, and at Pomeroy, Ohio. It employs fifteen thousand persons and twenty millions of capital. It is an absolute necessity of life. This industry must be maintained in wai", for our foreign supply would be imperiled in case of hostilities between this country and any maritime power. The domestic supply is ample, and the product is cheap. It is sold in every home market at less that one cent per pound. Oar fish- ermen, who must compete with foreigners, have their salt, in effect, duty free, for they are paid a drawback of the duty on all they use. It is a Western commodity, and its production, transportation, and use represent labor. Every part of it is labor. The raw brine costs no- thmg but the labor of pumping. It is labor in the form of salt. If labor is to be protected, why should labor producing salt be excepted ? There is now a duty on salt of eighteen cents per hiindred pounds, or less than one fifth of one cent per pound. If all textile and metallic fabrics must be protected, why not salt ? If you look for revenue, it yields over one million, with little cost and absolute certainty. If you look to protection to labor, what duty gives protection more properly INTERNAL TAXES AND TAEIFF. 351 tlian the duty on salt ? The duty does add to the cost of the article on the seaeoast, but does not affect the price in the "West ; but if duties are to be levied only on articles which are the manufacture of the East, how long will they stand ? The revision of the tariff must be treated as a whol^ General principles must be applied. If special exemption from duty is applied to one article of domestic product, it must be applied to all. We may stand upon exemptions from duty on articles that we can not produce, but we can not stand upon a special exemption on any article that we can and ought to produce. Free coal and free salt mean free iron and free woolens. . You may discriminate in rate of duty by reason of cost, bulk, capacity of production, and for other causes, and for them you may properly reduce the duty ; but you can not make the article free, whether you adopt the theory of a revenue or a protective tariff. It is said that coal and salt are raw articles. Every article is the finished product of one industry — coal of the miner, salt of the boiler. Every commodity is only the raw basis of other industries — cloth for the tailor, tools for the larmer, machinery for the manufacturer ; and all of them are the raw articles of the merchant. I therefore conclude that, whether we regard the duties on coal and salt as revenue or pro- tective duties, they ought not to be entirely repealed, and therefore the House bills ought not to pass. As to the duties on tea and coffee, their repeal is simply a question of revenue. We can not produce them. They are of such general use as to enter into the consumption of nearly every family in the United States. The duties on sugar, tea, and coffee are among the most stable and unchangeable sources of revenue. The quantities consumed vary less than those of any other chief articles imported. They are bulky, and can not be easily smuggled. The duty is specific, and is rarely evaded by fraud. Still, they are regarded as necessaries of life. The repeal of the duty will lessen the cost to the precise extent of the duty. Dealers will not at first lower the price, but competition will soon reduce it ; so that the repeal of either of these duties will, in some degree, cheapen the daily meals of nearly every family. The House of Kepresentatives has shown its desire to make tea and coffee free, by twice passing bills for that purpose ; but it is manifest that if this is done we must postpone for the present all other reductions of duty. We are compelled to consider whether other duties ought not to be modified before this purely revenue duty is entirely repealed. I come now briefly to consider the measure proposed by the Com- mittee on Finance. Instead of repealing entirely the duties on coal, salt, tea, and coffee, we propose a large reduction of them. We reduce the duties on lumber, rice, lead, and other articles, the rawer products of industry, on which the present rates are excessive. We add largely to the free list, and propose a reduction of ten per cent, of the duties on most textile and metallic fabrics. The reduction proposed is $22,- 507,323.26 ; but we may fairly anticipate such lessening of expenses and such increase of importation as will reduce the loss of revenue to $21,000,000. This is not the time for stating in detail the reasons for the great 352 SPEECHES AND REPORTS OF JOHN SHERMAN. reduction on certain specific articles. As the debate progresses each article will be separately considered, and if we err a& to details the Senate will correct us. I have now only to consider the general prin- ciples involved. We are^net by opposing theories of political economy, by theories of protection and theories of free trade. The object of protection is to secure to home industry the benefit of the markets of our own coun- try. The means proposed are high duties on foreign fabrics which compete with our own, and low duties, or none at all, on foreign articles used in manufacturing. The object of free trade is to secure an article at the lowest price, without regard to its place of production. A revenue tariff is inconsistent with the extreme theories of both the free-trade and protection schools ; for if a foreign article is excluded by rates of duty so high as to give the home producer the entire mar- ket, the revenue is destroyed as absolutely as if no duty at all were imposed. This obvious truth reduces a revenue tariff to a matter of details ; and in determining the rate of duty on any article, due weight must be given to the nature of the article — whether it can or can not be produced in this country, and whether the duty should be higher or lower than the average rate requisite to produce the revenue needed. This principle is admirably stated in the report of Eobert J. Walker, made in 1846. While I do not agree with all the details of that report, it contains some excellent general principles. In the course of the innumerable discussions on this subject by dif- ferent commercial nations, it has become obvious that theories and maxims adopted by one nation in fixing the rates of duty are totally inapplicable to another nation, by reason of the differences of climate, soil, productions, labor, and age. This is especially true of Great Britain and the United States. In all the essential elements which determine a tariff policy we are the exact antipodes of Great Britain. Their chief occupation is that of manufactures ; ours of agriculture. Their chief commerce is foreign ; ours is domestic. They produce but little raw material ; we produce more than any other nation. Their extent is small ; ours is vast. They are very rich ; we are not. In Great Britain capital yields the smallest interest ; here it yields the highest. There labor is low in price and abundant ; here it is very high. The industry of Great Britain could not survive without foreign raw materials ; here we have, undeveloped, the necessary raw material for all products which are essential to the happiness and comfort of man. Again, this subject of the tariff has been so often discussed and acted upon in Congress, that we may say that certain principles are settled in the United States, by the common consent of our people. It is settled that our national revenue must, in the future as in the past, be mainly collected by duties on imported goods ; and, as the war has enormouHly increased our wants, we may as well dismiss to future gen- erations t]io extreme ideas of free trade and protection, which are ^ike inconsistent with a revenue tariff. It is fairly settled' that, in levying duties, at least the average rate will be put upon articles of foreign manufacture that come into competition with home industry, and that INTERNAL TAXES AND TARIFF. 353 these duties will be so graded and classified as to give full incidental protection to industries natural to our country, and for which we have the raw material. It is settled that, as the difference between the price of labor in this country and in Europe is the chief cause of the differ- ence in the cost of production here and there, it is not good policy, by permitting too close a competition between foreign and domestic pro- duction, to reduce the wages of American labor, engaged in producing any article essential to our wants, below the standing of other similar labor in this country. It is agreed that, to secure certainty and avoid undervaluation, all duties should, as far as practicable, be specific in- stead of ad valorem. These principles are the basis of the American system of protection, embodied in the act of March, 1861. The rates of duty have been much increased by the new demands for revenue caused by the war, and may now be reduced as these demands diminish; but these protective principles will, I trust, be maintained as the essen- tial foundations of our national prosperity. On the other hand, it is equally well settled that there is a multi- tude of articles in which the traffic should be as free as our domestic trade. All raw productions of nature, which are the gift of Providence, ought to be as free as the hand that gave them ; but if they can be made available by labor, and yet are abundant in our country, the rate of duty should not be higher than will compensate for the bare differ- ence in the wages of such labor here and in the place of exportation. There is a great number of articles, the product of tropical climes, or which for other causes are not readily producible here, that ought to be admitted free, or at such moderate revenue rates of duty as our wants demand. Where the amount imported is small, the articles should be free ; for a multitude of duties creates expense. When the quantity is large, as in the case of tea, coffee, and sugar, the only ques- tion should be whether the tax proposed is less burdensome than other taxes imposed. As this class of a.rticles enters largely into the consump- tion of all, it has been the general policy of the country to admit them free, or at low rates of duty. We taxed them heavily during the war, for purely revenue purposes. We reduced those taxes two years ago, and now propose to reduce further the taxes on tea and coffee, but we are not yet prepared for their entire repeal. I come now to consider the duties imposed on textile and metallic fabrics. These constitute the great bulk of foreign articles that come into competition with the domestic fabrics. It is said that the present duties are not too high ; that under them our industries are prosperous, and labor is well paid; and that, if the duties are undisturbed, domestic competition will reduce prices as rapidly as increased foreign competi- tion can do so ; that any change disturbs the business of the country by deterring new enterprises, and that it reduces the wages of labor. On the other hand, it nrast be remembered that the present duties, taken together, are far in excess of what they ever were before the war, and that they have been three times largely increased since the passage of the Morrill tariff act of 1861. After a careful examination, in detail, of all the duties and the indus- tries affected by them, it does not appear that I the reduction proposed 23 354 SPEECHES AND EEPOETS OF JOHN SHERMAN. will seriously affect these industries. During the war these duties were increased to counterbalance the internal taxes levied upon domestic productions. The last shred of those internal taxes will now be re- pealed, and no article of home industry will be taxed except whisky, tobacco, and beer. Our manufacturers have now to compete with their foreign rivals, with no disadvantage but higher-priced labor, and this is met by a duty of from thirty-five to one hundred per cent., or an aver- age duty on the whole list of fifty per cent. This very bill repeals or reduces duties on raw materials for domestic fabrics to an extent which is fully equal to a reduction of ten per cent, on the finished product. This is admitted to be so as to many industries. The general lifting off of the burdens of internal taxation, and the repeal of taxes on raw materials, will enable our home industry to enter into a fairer com- petition. Shall, then, the protective duties be maintained without diminution, when all intern^ taxes are repealed, when raw materials are admitted free or at reduced rates, when our currency is appreciated near to the gold standard, and when the present duties are not needed for the support of the Government? will the producers in other forms of industry consent to the maintenance of excessive rates of duty on mechanical fabrics ? The result of such duties is to secure to mechanical industries higher wages than can be earned in other kindred employments. Such excessive protection not only ceases to diversify production, but forces labor into protected employments. If the present rates of duty were' high enough during and since the war, when home industry was bur- dened with heavy internal taxes — with stamp duties, income taxes, and high rates on raw materials — then surely they are now too high, when all these taxes are removed. In a controversy like this between opposing theories, the highest wisdom often lies between them. While protecting home industry we ought not, in any case, to levy a duty so high as to exclude the for- eign fabric, but only such as will secure fair but not excessive wages, and as will induce a competition between the foreign and domestic fabric that shall secure to the consumer the lowest prices consistent with the maintenance in our country of all the industries for which we have equal natural facilities. We must not compel our laborers to compete with the poorly paid labor of Europe ; but we ought not, by our protection laws, to secure to them higher wages than can be earned in kindred employments. Another series of causes is now slowly but surely operating in favor of American labor. The laboring men of Europe, by trade associsr tions, and by laws prohibiting the employment of minore and women and limiting the number of apprentices, are raising the general rate of wages among all Christian nations. This is especially so in Great Brit- ain, It is adding to the cost of foreign production, and so operates as a protection to our domestic labor. . For these reasons, and many others that will be stated in the course of the debate, the Committee on Finance is of the opinion that now, when so many taxes have been repealed, there ought to be a general reduction of the duties on textile and metallic fabrics ; and that this INTERNAL TAXES AND TARIFF. 355 reduction should be at the rate of ten per cent., which is about the rate of the aggregate reduction of tariff duties. We expect to en- counter the opposition of those who favor the maintenance of the highest duties on foreign competing fabrics, and of those who would abruptly disturb our industries by a sudden and radical reduction of duties to what they term a free-trade standard ; and perhaps both classes of opponents will unite in repealing the purely revenue duty on tea and coffee. If this is done, we can repeal no other taxes with safety to the public service, and I shall then vote for striking out the ratable reduction on textile and metallic fabrics. Indeed, Senators, the only question about which there is much controversy in this tariff bill is, whether you will let aU the present duties upon textile and metallic fabrics stand, after we shall have given their producers the raw material free of duty, repealed all taxes upon them of an internal character, and reduced the purely revenue duty on tea and coffee ; or whether you will also reduce the taxes on textile and metallic fabrics. My friend from Pennsylvania [Mr. Scott] has, at the outset, very properly presented by his amendment the only question in this whole tariff debate ; and if that question were set- tled, we could arrange the details of the entire bill in one day. If, therefore. Senators unite — I do not speak of parties in this matter — but if Senators who represent different constituencies unite in repeal- ing the duty on tea and coffee, it will be utterly impossible for us to go one step further ; because, as I have shown, the utmost limit to which we can go in the repeal of tariff duties, if we propose to reduce our internal revenue, is $21,000,000. We dare not go beyond that ; and if you repeal the duty on tea and coffee, you wiU have surren- dered all the revenue we can afford to surrender. I hope, therefore, that Senators, when they come to vote on this final question, though aU would hke to vote to repeal the duty on tea and coffee, so as to give some relief to every family in the country, will remember that by such a vote we preclude ourselves from the power of repealing the duties on textile fabrics. I have listened with patience, day by day, to the statements of gen- tlemen who are interested in our domestic productions. I am a firm believer in the general idea of protecting their industries ; but I assure them, as I have assured their representatives here, that if the present high rates of duties, unexampled in our country and higher by nearly fifty per cent, than they were in 1861, are maintained on metallic and textile fabrics, after we have repealed the veiy internal taxes which gave rise to them, and after we have siibstantially given them their raw materials free of duties, we shall have a feeling of dissatisfaction among other interests in the country that will overthrow the whole system, and do greater harm than can possibly be done by a moderate reduction of the present rates of duty. And I am quite sure that intelligent men, engaged in the production of various forms of textile and metallic fabrics, feel, as I do, that' it is wiser and better to do what is just and right, to make a reduction on their products at least to the extent of the reduction in this bill on their raw material, rather than to invite a controversy in which I believe they will be in the wrong. 856 SPEECHES AND REPORTS OF JOHN" SHERMAN. I have now, Mr. President, stated the general features of this bill. I will end, as I commenced, with the congratulation that we are able so soon again to throw off burdens cheerfully assumed by our people during the great civil war. No man can candidly review the dangers we liave passed, the difficulties we have overcome, the burdens we have borne, and the success, growth, and prosperity that attended us amid all our difficulties, without a reverent feeling of thankfulness to Al- mighty God. Our honorable name and admitted rank among the na- tions of the earth, the general intelligence and comfort of our people, the rapid spread of our civilization over the Western plains, the diversity of our industry, and the vast increase of our productions — aU these are accomplished results, which, if properly preserved and utilized, wiU realize the highest good that can be derived from human government. FRENCH SPOLIATION CLAIMS. IN THE SENATE, BEG EMBER 17, 1872. The bill to provide for the adjustment and satisfaction of claims of American citizens for spoliation committed by the French prior to the 31st day of July, 1801, being before the Senate, Mr. Sherman said : Me. Pbesident : My acquaintance with the French spoliation bill commenced with my entrance into the House of Representatives in the winter of 1855-56, when, being a member of the Committee on Foreign Affairs, this old and interesting class of claims was handed to me for investigation. At that time my mind was entirely unbiased upon the subject. The examination of the claims opened an interest- ing portion of American history, and, without much to do, I entered upon it, reading nearly all the public documents then already accumu- lated in great numbers of volumes. I informed myself in regai"d to all the points that had been made in the discussion of the question. After this examination I became entirely convinced that there was no ground either in law or equity why these claims ought to be paid by the United States. During that (Jongress there was no action upon them. From that time they have rested without any definite action by either House of Congress. Now they are pressed with a confident expectation of payment, and it becomes my duty, without much time for preparation, to give the reasons for my conviction why they ought not to be paid. Mr. President, it is no bar to tliese claims to say that they are sev- enty-two years old ; that the generation of men who knew all about the facts which gave rise to them did not recognize tliem as valid ; that none of the actors of the period of 1800 who participated in the nego- tiations connected with the subject ever took any prominent or leading part in seeking to enforce them. A bill for paymg these claims was never passed by the Senate of the United States until 1835. All the FRENCH SPOLIATION CLAIMS. 357 men who participated in tlie historical events which gave rise to them had then disappeared. Seventy-two years have now rolled around, car- rying away two or three generations of statesmen who knew of or acted here upon them ; and yet these claimants are not discouraged, and still insist that they have a right to demand of the United States as a matter of law payment of $5,000,000, at least, for injuries suffered by Ameri- can citizens by French spoliations prior to 1800. ' !Nor is it a conclusive reply to these claims to say that they arraign George Washington, arraign the course of the American Government at its foundation ; that they are based upon the allegation that we vio- lated our treaties with France ; that they arraign the conduct of all the early ofiBcers of the Government. If they are ]'ust claims, they ought to be paid even if their payment compels us to change the popular view of the whole history of the first ten years of the American Govern- ment. The claims are pressed upon us with a pertinacity unparalleled. From the daily papers I cut recently an advertisement signed by James H. Causten, who represents that he has been for forty-nine years at the head of an organized agency in this city to prosecute these claims. He invites the citizens of the United States who are interested in them, or who are the descendants of claimants, to send their petitions to Congress. He says that this organization has been maintained here year after year. It was founded in the city of Washington before either House of Congress recognized any equity in the claims, before any committee of either House had reported in favor of them, after committees had reported against them, and has been kept up for forty- nine years. I will read, merely to show the character and nature of this claim, and how persistent and how enterprising has been its prose- cution, a part of this public advertisement which is laid upon your table in every one of the daily papers in this city. It is dated — AOENOT OF FeENOH SPOLIATION CLAIMS, OprioE No. 1246 F Stbbet, WASHBroToir, D. C, Jfommber 5, 1872. This institution was established forty-nine years ago, with the undersigned as agent and protector of the original claimants, all of whom are long since dead, as also their second generation. Their third generation are now living, but death and other casualties have rendered my record so far useless as to who and where they are to be found. Then he gives notice to all these legal representatives who have not sent their petitions into the Halls of Congress to do so at once. He then goes on : The delays of action on this case, occasioned by the late rebellion, impeachment of President Johnson, and the excitement just terminated in the presidential elec- tion, afford a free access to the attention of Congress ; but, above all, the near ?ip- proach of Congress, its short session, and much to be done by interested parties, point to the indispensable necessity for insta,nt preparation by the claimants. Printed blank memorials will be furnished by the undersigned free of cost ; also, a printed pamphlet history and proceedings on the claims by both Governments and by Congress (at a trifling cost of printing) will be furnished those who desire it and shall so advise me by letter. Mr. President, here is a claim, stated by the chairman of the Com- 358 SPEECHES AND REPORTS OF JOHN SHERMAN. mittee on Foreign Eelations at $20,000,000, which these peojjle are offering to compound now, after seventy-two years, at five millions, pressed upon us year after year, after a lapse or seventy-two years, by an organized agency, which has been in this city for forty-nine years, and now advertises to the people interested to send forward their peti- tions in order to press Congress at this session to pass the French spoli- ation bill. All these are considerations which ought not to prevent us from paying this obligation if it is just and honest. If it is right in law and in equity that the United States should pay it, I do not object to the means by which it is urged upon Congress, or to the long lapse of time. But, sir, this lapse of time and the means necessaryto enforce the claim are circumstances which demand of Congress a strict scrutiny into all the facts alleged, that we may see whether or not the founders of this Government, with George Washington at the head, did injustice to these claimants, our own citizens ; and whether all those who have pre- ceded us in this position have so far been neglectful of their duty that they have refused to pay a just and honest claim so long. That is the question. Now, sir, what is the basis of this French spoliation claim ? As stated by Mr. Webster in the celebrated debate of 1834^'35, it is founded upon three assumptions. I will read from the opening re- marks of Mr. Webster at the beginning of the debate, December 17, 1834: ; and I may here remark that this debate is the most complete, in my judgment, the most thorough and exhaustive, of the many made on this subject in Congress, although it was followed by many very able speeches. Mr. Webster said : Thi8 bill supposed two or three leading propositions to be true. It supposed, in the first place, that illegal seizures, detentions, captures, con- demnations, and confiscations were made of the vessels and property of the citizens of the United States before the 30th of September, 1800. It supposed, in the second place,. that these acts of wrong were committed by such orders and under such circumstances as that the snfEerers had a just right »nd claim for indemnity from the hands of the Government of Trance. Here, at the very outset, I admit that these two propositions are true ; that, according to my judgment, the acts of France in capturing our vessels did constitute a just and fair ground for the claims against the French Government, and that we were justified in doing all that we could, short of actual war, to enforce them. But it must be con- ceded that the French Government insisted that these captures and de- tentions were caused by our violation of our treaties with them. The claims of the two Governments were carried almost to open and general war, the French insisting that these captures and detentions were law- ful acts of reprisal on the United States for her disregai-d, or alleged disregard, of the treaties with France, and that there was no obligation on the part of France, because of this lawful act of reprisal, to pay to these claimants any money indemnity, but that it was a controversy between the two nations ; the United States, on the other hand, assum- ing that, under the circumstances, it had a right to issue its proclama- FEENOH SPOLIATION CLAIMS. 359 tion of neutrality, and pursue the course of conduct which I will allude to presently. Then Mr. "Webster states the third proposition : Going on these two propositions, the bill assumed one other, and that was, that all such claims on France as came within a prescribed period, or down to a pre- scribed period, had been annulled by the United States, and that this gave them a right to claim indemnity from this Government. (" Congressional Debates," vol. xi., part I., page 16.) Here is the gist of the whole matter : Did the United States annul these obligations by assuming them under such circumstances as would make a liaiilitTp- on the part of the United States to pay our citizens for these depredations ? I say that, by a careful examination of all the facts of this history, the chief of which I will now bring before you, it appears that neither by the law of war, nor by international law, nor by justice or right, did the United States ever assume or incur any ob- ligation to pay these debts to our citizens. There was never the slight- est thing done in the ten years during which they arose which gave a legal or an equitable claim on the part of these citizens as against the United States; but, on the contrary, the United States pressed these, claims, insisted upon them, demanded them, urged them, pressed them even to the point of war — went far beyond the duty of the Govern- ment in favor of its citizens as against a foreign nation, and discharged all the obligations which, by any rule of morals, duty, or law, are im- posed upon any nation in behalf of its citizens against foreign nations. Mr. President, having thus stated the general view of this case as made by Mr. "Webster and the general impression that the facts have made on my own mind, let us very briefly pursue the historical events, which I can do only by referring to some of the leading incidents of the controversy ; and the first and the groundwork of the whole are the treaties with France made during the revolutionary war, in 1778. The treaty of alliance is the 'first in order. This treaty with France was the life-blood of our country at the time it was made, without which we might have struggled through a long, wearisome war, and perhaps have failed to attain our independence, but with which we were enabled in a short time to establish this nation. The eleventh and tweKth articles of the treaty of alliance contain two guarantees. The eleventh article contained mutual guarantees, one by France of " the liberty, sovereignty, and independence " of the people of the United States, " absolute and unlimited as well in matters of government as commerce," and a guarantee by the United States to France of " the present possessions of the crown of France in America," with the additions or conquests they might obtain during the war. The effect of the two articles, eleventh and twelfth, was a mutual guarantee, by which France guaranteed to us our liberty and independence, and we guaranteed to France her West India possessions. That is not the precise language, but that was the definite meaning of the articles. The treaty of commerce entered into between the two nations on the same day contains four articles which become material to this con- troversy. Articles seventeen and twenty-two were made for the benefit of France. They provide that prize of war may be carried into the ports of either party, and that no shelter shall be given by either party 360 SPEECHES AND REPORTS OF JOHN SHERMAN. to the captors of prizes from the other party ; that is, that the ports of the United States should be free for France to bring in her seizures of vessels of foreign nations with whom she was at war, and that we should not give the corresponding benefit to any other nation. The twenty-second article provides that foreign privateers shall not be al- lowed to fit out or sell their prizes in the ports of either party, but that the privateers of either party may use the ports of the other to fit out and equip private armed ships and vessels of war. These two provi- sions were made in the interest of France. The twenty-third a,nd twenty-fourth articles were made in the in- terest of the IJnited States. The twenty-third article provides for lib- erty for either party to trade with a nation at war with the other. That is, while the United States gave to France these important advan- tages of. the use of our ports to her privateers and her captures, yet we were to be at liberty to trade with nations with whom she was at war, and free ships should carry free goods. In other words, to apply it to the events that followed, if a war should occur between France and Great Britain, while we were bound to receive in our ports French pri- vateers and French captured vessels, we had a corresponding right to trade with England, and under our fiag to carry even articles which by the law of war were contraband of war into the ports of England. The twenty-fourth article proceeds to define what shall be consid- ered contraband of war, and changes the whole rule of international law, making it much more liberal to the United States ; so that this treaty of commerce, while it gave to France certain facilities, gave us privileges of vast importance. In a moment you wiU see, Mr. President, what was the bearing of these treaties on the controversy which soon sprang up. These were mutual concessions, some for the benefit of the United States and some for the benefit of France. The honorable Senator from Massachusetts in his report treats the whole thing as if the treaty of commerce was aU on one side, as if there were no provisions in that treaty that bore hardly upon France ; and yet it will turn out immediately that at the very time this treaty was first put in force, at the very breaking out of the war, France was the first to violate the stipulations of the treaty, the only stipulations made in our favor, and her persistent violation was made one of the grounds upon which General Washington based the proclamation of neutrality, and virtually suspended, for the time at least, the two articles which were made in favor of France. Mr. President, this leads us to the next and most important step in our history in connection with foreign affairs. In 1793 Fi-ance and England were involved in war. France was at war with nearly all the nations of Europe. She had beheaded her king ; she had proclaimed war against despots and tyrants in any form. The sympathy of the Amencan people generally went with France. But the question came up before the Cabinet oi George Washington, wliat should be done ? Should they involve this little nation of ours, in its infancy, without troops, without arms, without vessels or inoaus of warfai-e, in the Mael- strom of l*>uropean politics? Should they take sides with France ug linst England ? It appeared at once that if we observed faithfully FRENCH SPOLIATION CLAIMS. 361 articles seTenteen and twenty-two of our treaty of commerce with France, we took sides with France, and of course involved ourselves in a war with England ; we became a pa,rty to the war ; and the question then arose in the Cabinet of Washington whether the war which was then raging in Europe was one of those wars that were provided for by the treaty of commerce ; whether the occasion for the clauses of guarantee in the treaty of alliance had arisen, and whether we were bound to guarantee to France her West India islands; whether we were bound to let French privateers and vessels of war come into our ports to re-man, to arm, and to equip, and thus make war against Eng- land and all the other nations of Europe. This question came before the Cabinet of Washington. It was a question of Kfe or death. If General Washington had decided the questions as the French desired him to do, our commerce would have- been swept from the ocean ; we should have at once been involved in a war with Great Britain. With her enormous naval power, developed soon after in the controversy, she might have seized all our ports, and closed our country as a sealed book. She could easily have done it. Under the circumstances which surrounded him. General Washington addressed certain inquiries to the members of his Cabinet, and I have them here, but I will not take time to read them. Senators who desire to look at them may find them in Sparks's "Life of Washington," Various inquiries were submitted by General Washington to the mem- bers of his Cabinet, and the very mode in which the inquiries are put shows the anxiety of Washingtdn, the critical state of our affairs ; and these questions are given in full, together with the elaborate answers of the members of the Cabinet. The result was that the members of the Cabinet differed somewhat on minor matters ; but upon the main point, that it was the duty and the right of the United States to main- tain neutrality between Great Britain and France, they were all agreed. Mr. President^ upon the opinion of his Cabinet General Washing- ton issued the proclamation of neutrality. What was that ? The lan- guage is simple and brief. It simply declared that in the condition of affairs then existing in Europe, in the state of war between France and the powers of Europe, the United States would remain in a state of honorable neutrality, treating all the contestants by the same rules and principles, and observing with sincerity and good faith a friendly and impartial conduct toward all the belligerents. That was the proclama- tion of neutrality, l^ow, sir, what followed ? The proclamation was communicated to both Houses of Congress. According to the forms that then existed, the Senate by a formal address approved it, and en- dorsed and approved the conduct of Washington in issuing it. The House of Representatives, with equal strength, also approved and en- dorsed the proclamation, and it was at once adopted by all the people of the United States as the policy of the Government. Jeiferson was then Secretary of State, and Hamilton was Secretary of the Treasury. The incipient divisions which soon followed in our own political con- tests had already appeared ; but all citizens and all parties felt that it was the right of the United States to maintain neutrality ; that the law of necessi^, if nothing eke, justified it ; and, however much they were 362 SPEECHES AND EEPOETS OF JOHN SHEEMAN. divided in sympathy in the controversy between France and Great Britain, they felt that neutrality was the safety of the United States, and it was adopted. The policy was not only adopted with the assent of the two Houses of Congress, but it was sanctioned by the judiciary. This particular proclamation of neutrality and the acts subsequent thereto were brought before the Supreme Court of the United States in a case to be found in 7 Cranch. The Supreme Court, Chief Justice Marshall de- livering the opinion, stated that the action of General Washington, thus approved by Congress, and supplemented as it was afterward by an act of Congress, was the established policy of the country, and, whether it violated the treaty or not, it was the law of the land so far as the people of the United States were concerned ; that Congress was the political power of the country, and had to make the laws to govern the conduct of the people of the United States, and it was for Con- gi'css, the political power, to judge whether or not this policy was con- sistent with the French treaty, and the people of the United States were bound to obey the decision. Now, mark it, not only was this a policy adopted by every branch of the Government, but it was concurred in by the very claimants themselves. It was for their interest. There was not one single per- son whose heirs or descendants or representatives petition here, but de- manded this policy of neutrality ; not one of them but was interested in it. Without this policy of neutrality there would have been no ships to be captured, no vessels to be retained. Our ships and vessels would have been swept from the ocean as with the besom of destmction. It was a policy in which the East was especially interested. The very States from whence these claims come demanded it by universal voice. It was the policy of the country, the policy of safety. It was absolutely necessary to* our national existence, and there was no man to question it. But now, after these men are in their graves, after a period of seventy-two years, we are told on the floor of the Senate, by the most eminent members of the Senate, that the conduct of the United States violated the treaty with France, and the alleged violation is made the basis of an application to us to pay for all the depredations committed by France on our commerce. Now, sir, the legal effect, according to the decision of the Supreme Court, was tlaat if this proclamation of neutrality was inconsistent with the seventeenth and twenty-second articles of the treaty to which I have referred, so far as the citizens of the United States were concerned it superseded those sections, and it made no difference in this contro- versy whether we acted in violation of the treaty or not. I do not intend to stop here, but I shall show that France herself recognized this view of the matter, and that France, before we had violated the treaty, as she claimed, by the proclamation of neutrality, had violated other clauses of the treaty which were made in our favor. I had ]irepared quite a number of lengthy extracts from the correspon- dence between Genet and Jefferson to show that the French minister did not object to the ])olicy that was adopted by the American Govern- ment ; on the contrary, he acceded to it ; but 1 find here, furnished to FEENOH SPOLIATION CLAIMS. 363 my hand in the report of the Senator from Massachusetts, a declaration that even before this proclamation was issued France liad herself vio- lated the treaty, and had treated it as so much waste paper. He says : But before the proclamation reached France, orders, in direct repugnance to the treaties with the United States, were issued there for the capture and forfeiture of enemies' goods on board neutral vessels ; whereas it had been stipulated that free ships should make free goods, so that even if the denial of the " guarantee " was wrong, and the proclamation, according to French accusation, was " insidious," the United States were not the first to offend. I could fortify this general declaration by innumerable documents showing that the French themselves disregarded the treaty as entirely inapplicable to the then existing state of affairs ; that they in effect sus- tained the position taken by Washington, that the treaties of commerce and of aUiance related only to defensive warfare on the part of France, and could not be held- to apply to a state of revolution, where every- thing was changed, where the Government had killed the king who made the treaty with us ; that the provisions of old treaties here quoted did not apply to that condition of affairs. "Washington held that the state of affairs which then existed in Europe was not a defensive war- fare ia any sense of the word, or within the meaning of the treaty. But, sir, whether that be so or not, it is admitted on all hands that France violated the treaty, that France refused to allow us the com- mercial advantages which were stipulated for in the treaty of 1778, and that too before Washington had issued his proclamation of neutrality; in oth-er words, that France had disregarded two of the articles of the treaty, and she complained that Washington by his proclamation of neutrality had also disregarded two of those articles, both nations dis- regarding these treaties as incompatible and inconsistent with the new state of afiairs that had sprung up on the map of Europe. And so Jay's treaty, to which I need scarcely refer, expressly vio- lated the French treaty. It was admitted on all hands that it was inconsistent with the French treaty. Why, sir, the eighteenth article of this treaty, was entirely, inconsistent; with the French treaty. It prescribed an entirely different rule of law, as to what should be con- traband of war. Under Jay's treaty the articles named as contraband of war conformed to the law of nations. Under our treaty with France the list of articles named as contraband of war was much more liberal, and much more favorable to the United States. It was utterly impossible to carry on an intercourse with France and Great Britain with treaties so utterly inconsistent with each other. This shows that Jay's treaty was based on the idea that the stipulations upon which these claims are now based were regarded both by France and the United States, and especially by the United States, as practically ab- rogated and done away with. But if there ever was any doubt about the matter, it was entirely removed by an act of Congress, which in so many words said that these treaties had been abrogated, and declared them to be of no force and effect. That law of Congress was passed in 1798, two years before the treaty of 1800 was made. I will read the operative words of that law. On the 7th of July, 1798, the following act passed Congress : 364 SPEECHES AND REPORTS OF JOHN SHERMAN. Whereas the treaties concluded between the United States and France have been repeatedly violated on the part of the French Government, and the just claims of the United States for reparation of the injuries so committed have been refused, and their attempts to negotiate an amicable adjjustment of all complaints between the two nations liave been repelled with indignity; and whereas Under the author- ity of the French Government there is yet pursued against the United States a system of predatory violence, infracting the said treaties, and hostile to the rights of a free and independent nation : Be it enacted, etc., That the United States are of right freed and exonerated from the stipulations of the treaties and of the consular convention heretofore con- cluded between the United States and France ; and that the same shall not hence- forth be regarded as legally obligatory on the Government or citizens of the United States. This act made a law for our citizens, whatever it did for France — a law by which our citizens were bound. The treaties and the stipu- lations therein upon which the pretensions of France were based were set aside, not by the proclamation of neutrality merely, but by a direct act of Congress ; so that the treaties were not in force at all when the negotiation of 1800 occurred. But all this time the French Government in its warfare with Great Britain was issuing its edicts and orders under which all these depre- dations were committed upon our commerce. They disregarded the treaties. They treated them as superseded "by events, and, driven probably by the necessities of their ^position, they seized om* vessels destined for English ports, took them to France, held many in em- bargo in violation of the treaty, destroyed some, used the provisions that were intended for her enemy to support her own people, and not only violated the treaty, but violated tne rules of international law. She so conducted herself as to excite against her the strong antipathy of the American people, and nearly to wear out all that kindly affec- tion which had existed between France and the United States. If ow, sir, what was the duty of the United States under these cir- cumstances ? "We had set aside the treaties by our solemn acts, so far as we could do so. , Our citizens were bound by the acts of our Gov- ernment. When our citizens were thus deprived of property, what did the United States do ? Were our ancestors quiet and supine I Did they allow these depredations to proceed without expressing their resentment ? Not at all. First, there was negotiation from 1793 to 1798, continued day after day — expostulation. "We finally sent to France three of the most eminent citizens of the United States, at the head of whom was Ellsworth, the Chief Justice of the United States. How were they treated ? They were scoffed ,at, refused admission — told that if they would bribe this man or that they might possibly get some kind of redress. Tlie famous corres]ion deuce of " X. Y. Z.," which disgraced the French people at the time, was published. The people of the United States were indignant ; but still, remembering the old feelings between France and the United States, they did not declare war, but continued negotiation. Depredations were still com- mitted, and we prepared for war. We issued lett(^rs of marque and reprisal. We authorized the sei- zure of French vessels. Vessels were seized upon the ocean ; blood, was shed, battles were fought, vessels were captured, and war was FEENOH SPOLIATION CLAIMS. 365 waged, in behalf of these claims. Although our country was then sub- stantially without means of ofEense, depending upon no vessels of war except those she could improvise out of her merchant marine ; al- though we were then poor, in debt, with only four million people scat- tered along a coast two or three thousand miles long, yet, in behalf of these very claimants, we did go to the very vejge of war, if we did not cross the boundary and wage war against France. IS'o, sir ; the Government and the people of the United States were never indifferent to the losses suffered by these claimants. We went to the very ex- treme. All that we did not do was to depart from the policy of neutrality and involve ourselves in the events then shaking Europe to its very ,center. But everything short of that we did in behalf of these claim- ants ; yea, we spent millions upon millions of dollars. "We called Washington from his retirement ; we mustered Alexander Hamilton, substantially, at the head of our armies ; we engaged in the building of vessels ; we did all that a nation could do. We were not unmindful of the obligations that rested upon us to defend the rights of our citi- zens. What more could we do ? And yet this claim is now presented here upon the ground formerly taken by the French. Washington and all his contemporaries are ar- raigned here for using the private property of these claimants to buy off the old treaties -roich we had twice repudiated and declared by acts of Congress not to be operative on us, and which France had dis- regarded. Why, sir, by this bill Washington and Adams and Jeffer-, son are charged with appropriating the property of citizens of the United States to quiet an antiquated claim which they had rejected in every possible form of language, and which they never during the negotiations of 1800 recognized as having any binding force or obliga- tion upon the United States — one the President when the treaty of 1800 was negotiated, another President when the treaty was ratified — and the claimants say that the Government of the United States has refused for seventy-two years to pay for the private property thus used. Sir, I thank God that I can say, after a full examination of all these documents, that there is no ground for the claim to stand upon. The United States pressed the claim by negotiation, by all the power that we were enabled to wield. There is no ground whatever to say that the Government of the United States in its early foundation was not true and faithful to its obligations to its citizens. Now, Mr. President, let us examine for a moment the question, what is our obligation to our citizens in regard to war ? I do not know that it is necessary for me to cite authority upon this point, because it seems to be conceded that we are not bound to stake the salvation of our country in the support of the claims of our citizens ; but I have here a number of quotations from many eminent men to show that it is not the duty of the Government of the United States ever to press a claim of private citizens against foreign countries to an extent that would even damage the commercial interests of the people. That is the law of nations. We are bound, according to the Constitution of the United States, 366 SPEECHES AND KEP0RT8 OF JOHN SHERMAN. ■when we take the property of our people, to give them compensation ; but when our citizens engage in commercial ventures with foreign na- tions, when they leave our own land and go among foreign nations, what are we bound to do for their protection ? We are bound to see to them, to care for them, to look after them, to do what we can to protect them, to encourage them. We are not bound by any obligation of law or of duty to step forward as insurers against the loss, the cap- ture, or the detention of their vessels. It is laid down by Chancellor Bibb, of Kentucky, speaking with great eloquence of what had been done by the United States in behalf of these very claimants, that no nation ought to follow its adventurous citizens in their commercial speculations to such an extent as to involve the nation in war or contro- versy. The United States have always gone further in this direction than any other nation. We protected an unnaturalized foreigner, who had taken the first oath of allegiance, against the power of Austria. Great Britain and the United States have carried the duty of enforcing the rights of their citizens against foreign nations further than any other nations. But we never carried this further than we did in be- half of these claimants. When these detentions occurred, when these captures were made, we were not only remonstrating, begging, beseeching, sending our emi- nent men on fruitless visits to i*aris, but we were waging war, captur- ing privateers, making reprisals, doing all acts that were necessary to eiuorce the rights of our citizens. When all these efforts had failed, . at last, in 1800, we were compelled to abandon the negotiation ; and now, after seventy-two years, we are required to review the conduct of the eminent men who formed part of the history of the times, we are called upon to review the propriety of the proclamation of neutrality, called upon to ignore and reverae the law of 1798, and take the French side of this controversy, in order to make a claim which our people have disregarded for seventy-two years. This brings me, sir, to the treaty of 1800 ; and I think, if I am for- tunate in conveying my own impressions, I can show that all that oc- curred in that treaty was entirely consistent with the position I take here — that there was no single act or declaration implying an assump- tion of these claims. Now let us look at it. The Senator from Mas- sachusetts has stated very clearly the position taken by the French. I take his own language, because I prefer to come as near as we can to this point of the controversy. Pie says that when our ministere met those of the French in 1800, they were met by an ultimatum. France was then much exhilarated by victory. It was at the very time or on the eve of the battle of Marengo. Napoleon was about to pass off to his magnificent conquests and great victories. I think it wiis during his absence, when the French were naturally elated with the progress of events, that this treaty was negotiated, and our ministers were met by this ultimatum, as stated by the Senator from Massachusetts, and as als(; shown by the ofiicial documents I have before me. And tliiH communication concluded with a formal pvoposition In these words : " Either the anoiont treaties, with the privileges resulting from priority and the stipulation of reciprocal iiideiunities, or a now treaty without indemnity." , FRENCH SPOLIATION CLAIMS. 367 Mark it, Mr. President, the Frencli submitted to us either of these things : " If you will make over with us the treaties of ITYS, with all the stipulations contained in them, and being made now with a recog- nition that this is the kind of war that is recited in the treaties, we will pay your indemnities." That is, " If you wiU acknowledge that you have been wrong in all this controversy, and that we were right in mak- ing reprisals, we will refund the value of these reprisals and restore the ancient treaties." And the alternative was " a new treaty without indemnity." "What was the result of the negotiation ? We accepted the latter proposition. That is all there was of it. They would not pay one doUar of these indemnities. The minister who negotiated this treaty said he would resign first, and he treated it with indignity when we proposed indemnities without a renewal of the treaties. I had the language among the papers, but I can not now turn to it without occu- pying time. He said he would never regard the indemnities, would not pay them. Various propositions were made back and forth. It is said that we offered them something like two or three million francs ($600,000) for their pretended claim under the old treaties. Suppose we did, had we not the right to buy peace on these terms without making ourselves re- sponsible for aU the depredations committed by the French ? Suppose we offered them ten millions to release us from these old treaties, would that make any difference ? They refused our offer of three million francs. They made various offers to us. They were finally rejected, and the treaty of 1800 was made. In the second article they postponed the consideration of the indemnities claimed by the French under the old treaties, and the indemnities claimed by our citizens, thus showing a purpose to do what the French proposed in their ultimatum ^abandon the old controversies and commence anew. In that spirit they adopted the second article of the treaty, which I will now read, and I will show to the Senate that it is entirely consistent with my view of the case ; and yet it is upon the striking out of this article that this whole claim rests : Art. II. The ministers plenipotentiary of the two parties not being able to agree at present respecting the treaty of alliance of February 6, 1778, the treaty of amity and commerce of the same date, and the convention of 14th of November, 1788, nor upon the indemnities mutually due or claimed, the parties will negotiate further on these subjects at a convenient time; and until they may have agreed upon these points, the said treaties and convention shall have no operation, and the relations of the two countries shall be regulated as follows. In other words, they abandoned the whole theory of claims on both sides. IS'ow, unless we were bound to prosecute our claims in favor of our citizens to the final ultimatum between all nations, to a general and universal war, we had gone to the tether, to the extent of our liability. Now, the question is, can we abandon such claims short of actual war ? for that this was an abandonment is shown by the plain language. It was a diplomatic way of doing it ; and, as I will show presently, the Senate preferred a more direct way ; but it was a diplomatic way of abandoning all these claims on grounds of public policy, not on the ground of an assumption .or a contract, but simply from an inability to 368 SPEECHES AND REPORTS OF JOHN SHERMAN. get France to pay them short of our recognizing a state of facts that would be utter destruction to the National Government. It is alleged that, because oxir G-overnment pressed these claims of private citizens almost, if not quite, up to the point of war, it assumed the justice of the claims; that in the treaty of 1800 it offset them against claims that France had on this Government ; and that thereby it laid itself under obligation to meet the claims of these citizens. But there was nothing like an offset. France could not convince us that we were wrong except by conquering us ; and we never would have restored the obligations of the old treaties except at the end of a gen- eral war. We pressed our claims against France to actual seizure and capture, but we could not convince her that she ought to pay, and therefore we abandoned the claims of our citizens. The question whether the acts of the Government of the United States amounted to war or not, is one of the great questions debated in this controversy ; but it is not the turning-point of the controversy in my judgment. These claims were discharged by war, but I do not put the case on that ground, because I am discussing it in another view. I think it was war. If it was not war, I do not Know what it was. In the capture of their vessels, I am inclined to think there was a state of war as defined by the law of nations. That is a question which has been much debated. Mr. Webster and Mr. Wright had one of the most interesting debates on that subject that are probably to be found in our Congressional history. Mr. Wright insisted — the whole weight of his argument in the debate of 1835 was — ^that war, actual, decisive war, extinguished these claims, and therefore that there was nothing to negotiate about. Mr. Webster, on the other hand, insisted that these were only acts of peace consistent with a state of peace ; and they had a very learned discussion as' to what was war and what peace. Mr. Wright would describe some of the acts of war, and would ask Mr. Webster, " Is this peace ? " Mr. Webster would describe some of the acts of negotiation, eating dinners, friendly exchange of compliments between the French and American ministers, and would ask, " Is this war ? " Upon an' arena in which men like Wright and Webster de- bated, in which they had a difference of opinion, I do not think it be- comes any of us to express any very decided opinion about it, and I do not think it material at all to the controversy. I have avoided the dis- cussion of that point because it would lead me into a long .argument as to the state of facts and as to the various acts of depredation, capture, seizure, etc., that were committed by both Governments. Now, Mr. President, I find on reference to what Mr. Chancellor Bibb says in regard to the obligations of the United States just- the condition of affairs we found France in in 1800 : But for damages caused by a foroisn power no rifrlit aoornes to the citizen to demand and liave compensation from liis own (lovornnicnt. In snoli case the sov- (^roign ouglit to interpose, as far as the sitiiiitioii of iifl'nirs and the oonmion interests and safety will permit, to aid the citizen in lU'ninuding and rocoiving satisfaction from such foreign power. The Qovernniout ought to show an equitable regard for such sufifering of the citizen ; but the extont to whicli that regard shall be indulged is a question of sound policy, to bo judged by the State. The right of the citizen in thin behalf belongs to the class of imperfect obligatious. FRENCH SPOLIATION CLAIMS. 369 Then lie goes on : When we consider the conduct of the Government from 1793 down to the rati- fication of the treaty of 1800 — the condition of the United States (not then recov- ered from the exhaustion of the Revolution), the assiduity and good faith with which these claims were pressed upon the consideration of the French Government, the want of success, the cause of tliat quasi war, the great expenditures of the Gov- ernment, the dangers of being drawn into the vortex of the European war as a bel- ligerent, the great losses to flow to the community from persisting, and the prospect thus presented to the view of that generation — we may well conclade that the Gov- ernment would have been well justified in abandoning these claims for the purpose of extricating the community from a perilous condition. It can not be admitted that the Government is bound to be the insurer of the commercial adventures of its citizens against the acts of foreign governments ; that private claims upon foreign powers must be pursued by war ad intemecionem reipub- licm, or the citizen be compensated out of the public treasury at home, if the for- eign aggressor can not be compelled to make retribution. The community is hound to take care that no injury arises to the citizen by the ill conduct of the Govern- ment ; but the public is not bound for the ill conduct of a foreign power. (" Con- gressional Debates," vol. ii., part I., page 194.) That was the yiew taken by this eminent and distinguished citizen, a Senator from the State of Kentucky, certainly one of the most distin- guished men produced by Kentucky, an ornament to the bar and one of the chancellors of that State. My friend from New Hampshire used a word which I think he copied from the report of the honorable Senator from Massachusetts [Mr. Sumner], the word " set-off." It is a very common transaction. In ordinary dealings between two private citizens they set off their obligations to each other ; but the idea of a set-off, in the view that word presents to you, sir, as a lawyer [to Mr. Carpenter, in the chair], never occurred to the men who negotiated the treaty of 1800. There is no allusion to a set-off or a balancing of accounts in that way in all the negotiations. If Senators can show me any such ground upon which either the French or Americans put this controversy, then there is an end. If it was a thing that was boiled down to a lew dol- lars and cents, if that was the only matter between France and the United States, it was a very small basis for a great controversy. There was nothing of the kind. These were claims by the nations, one against the other, neither willing to recede, neither willing to abandon. We firmly refused to engage again in the treaties of ITYS. Every proposition by the French to renew them was declared by our minister utterly inadmissible. In 1800, in one of the communications where a reference was made to them, it was said on the part of the Government of the United States by its commissioners, " Those treaties are not operative ; every branch of our Government has put a different con- struction on them, and we are bound by that. We can not introduce them again into the law of nations between France and the United States ; they are utterly inadmissible," to use their own language. On the other hand, when we presented our claims to the French, the French minister met them and said he would resign his office rather than pay them ; he would never pay them. The language was strong. Finally our minister wrote home that it was utterly idle to present these claims, 24 370 SPEEOIIES AND REPORTS OF JOHN SHERMAN. that their commercial value was nothing ; they could not be enforced. The only question was whether — putting their backs to the past, bury- ing in the grave all the controversies that existed between them, not setting them off like a barter and a trade between two sharp traders — two great nations, neither willing to yield to the other, would bury in silence all controversies, not only oetween the two nations, but between their citizens, and make a new treaty of peace. This was done. They called it a treaty of peace. Whether there had been war before or not is a debatable question. They called the treaty of 1800 a treaty of peace, and they made it, simply abandoning and turning their backs on the old controversies. So every treaty of peace that is made between nations discharges some liability ; one nation or the other must surrender something, and usually both. And this was a treaty of peace ; all the old controversies were buried in the grave. Whether the second article was in or out made no difference. The United States were discharged from all obli- gations under the treaties of 1778. There was no guarantee clause ; there was no definition of contraband of war ; there was no free port for privateers ; and it was a treaty founded on the general principles of Jay's treaty. It took immediate effect. The question came before the Senate of the United States, and I now appeal to Senators on it. Sup- pose we had that treaty here, and were acting upon that treaty, and found in it article two, an indefinite promise some time in the distant future to open up a new controversy with France by which claims, re- jected by both and negotiated about so long, were continued over, what/ would we do ? All the interest we had in retaining that second article was the right to enforce the private claims of our citizens for depredsr tions ; but we knew that the right was contested by France, and never would be yielded unless connected with a stipulation to renew the old treaties of 1778. My honorable friend from Pennsylvania, in his very excellent speech yesterday, spoke about France recognizing these claims. Wliy, sir, France never recognized these claims except in connection with the renewal of the treaties ; she always put the two together from the be- ginning to the end. The very first time Mr. Monroe presented them to the French Government, the French replied, "No; you violated your treaty ; these were acts of reprisal." They ordered in some cases, and actually passed an ordinance for, the payment of the value of pri- vate property taken from American citizens, where it was food and clothing and the like. Besides, in this treaty of 1800 there are provisions made for a large amount of American claims. But for that treaty these claims would have gone into the general wreck. There were vessels then in the ports of France, and others not condemned ; there wore proNisions and supplies to the amount of twenty million francs then in those ports. By tlie making of the treaty of 1800 these were all released, and those actually applied to the use of Franco were paid for ; and the treaty of 1803 made provision l)y which twenty iiiillion francs were set aside to pay tlicHo identical clairas. We reserved from the purchase money of L()uisiana twenty million francs or $4,000,000 to pay these claims, and FEENOH SPOLIATION CLAIMS. 371 we paid them. In tlie treaty of 1800 we secured our private citizens this important advantage. I am aware that in the present bill we have reserved from the ap- propriation ail claims which were paid by the treaty referred to. It is not in that view that I allude to it. I am merely showing that the treaty of 1800 was an advantageous treaty to us ;■ that, while we could not get all we wanted, we not only relieved ourselves from the guaran- tees, but we also stipulated for the payment practically of twenty million francs to our own citizens ; and more^ — not only did we get twenty million francs in money, but all the vessels which were then in the ports of France belonging to American citizens were discharged, and the amount of benefit to our commerce, and to the men to whom they belonged, was more than ten million dollars in the value of their vessels and the amount they subsequently recovered where the property had been used by the French Government or by French citizens. When the treaty of 1800 came before the Senate of the United States, what was the view taken of it ? We can not tell. The debates were in secret. I am sorry they were. I believe, if the debates on that treaty were now known to the world, this claim would be forever barred. What was the reason for striking out the second article? Here the alleged assumption comes in. It is admitted on all hands that by the treaty as it stood there was no assumption, no set-ofi', no contract, no bargain, no partnership. By the treaty as it was framed there is no pretense that these claims were apphed to public use. I wish Senators on aU sides to understand that. If there was any set-off, or contract, or barter, it was made in this Senate chamber ; because, by the treaty as it stood, the second article expressly reserved all the claims on both sides, whether for violations of the treaties, or for seizures, captures, or claims by the citizens or subjects of either party. They were reserved, so that under the treaty as it stood there was no pretense of a foundation for this claim. 'How, was it made in the Senate ? Is it to be presumed that the men who then composed the Senate of the United States would, with- out hearing these claims, without discussing the matter, without know- ing what they did, make a contract in the nature of an assumpsit ? I have always thought that these commercial words, these terms which apply only to contracts made between citizens or contracts made be- tween States, ought not to be applied to the action of a Government when dealing according to the public exigencies. Did the Senate, when it struck out the second article, make a contract or a set-ofl: ? There is scarcely any pretension of that kind. Where is the evidence of it ? None is produced. What was the effect of striking out that second article ? It was this, and no more : The Senate had been informed in this oiBcial com- mimication that it was utterly idle to press the claims for indemnity, unless connected with the idea of restoring the old treaties. They knew that the second article only postponed to the future the contro- versy. It was not at all likely that France would be more willing in the future than in the past to pay these moneys. They knew that this stipulation in favor of indemnities was of no value to our citizens ; it 372 SPEECHES AND REPORTS OF JOHN SHERMAN. .was no burden to us. "We had accomplislied our purpose already by the treaty, whether the section was in or out. We had got rid of the old treaties ; the new treaty superseded them. If the second article was in, it superseded them lust as well as if it waa out. What motive, then, could induce the Senate of the United States to strike out the second article ? What motive had we to apply private property to public use ? Why should we then, when the private prop- erty of our citizens was protected and referred to a future negotiation, appropriate it for what we had already got ? Did we strike out that article in order to get a release from the French treaties? We had already got it ; it was in the treaty. What was the consideration for which we assumed these claims ? I submit to you, if we have got to talk in commercial language, in the language of lawyers or dealers, what consideration was there that moved the United States to assume an obligation unless it also got some benefit on behalf of the nation ? It is said that we got a release from the guarantee, but we had that already practically. The treaty itself in all its terms was a release from it ; and unless the postponement of this controversy to some indefinite future was a burden that the Senate were anxious to get rid of, there was no consideration. Sir, the only motive for striking out that second article in the Sen- ate was a desire to end, once for all, the controversies between France and the United States, to start anew on the field of friendship and amity, to open again the kind affections and warm feelings of grati- tude which still lingered in the hearts of the American people when the name of France was mentioned. Sir, the act of the Senate was an act worthy of the Senate. It was an abandonment of all these old con- troversies, in the hope that the new treaty of peace which had been made between our honored envoys and the Government of France would start anew the old feelings of friendship. The idea of making this action of the Senate a contract or set-off is a misnomer of terms. This is the only basis, the only stand on which this old claim of seventy-two years rests. It rests upon the assumption that the Senate, by striking out the second article, appropriated the property of private persons to public use. Where was the exigency ? Where is the decla- ration of any man who lived at the time that this was done i I know my honorable friend from Massachusetts has quoted quite a number of remarks — one made by Mr. Madison in his negotiation with Spain ; one made by Mr. Pinckney, who gave his opinion that we ought to pay ; one made by Mr. Clay, who thought there was a kind of equity in pay- ing the claims. These words are from the second generation of men, and the remark made by Mr. Madison was the only one that has any bearing on it, the only one that squints that way. But suppose Mr. Madison did say what is (Quoted ; and no doubt he did. Why was it that Mr. Madison while he wiis President of the United States for eight years, and afterward, did not give his potential voice in favor of these claims when thoy might have been paid, and within the recollection of tlie men who knew all about them 'i If, ac- cording to Pinckney and Madison, these claims were just, or some equitable consideration had arisen from the striking out of the second FEENOn SPOLIATION CLAIMS. 373 article, why were not the claims paid ? And yet, as I will show in a moment, they slept during the whole lives of the men who participated in this controversy. Mr. President, I am sorry that I have detained the Senate so long, bnt I saw no other Senator disposed to enter into this debate after a long controversy, and I thought I would present my views ; and I have presented them much more fuUy than I intended when I rose. I have not overlooked the foot-note of Napoleon, but I do not think his declaration in ratifying the treaty and the history of its ratification change at all the effect of the previous act. The act of the Senate I have already mentioned. The treaty was sent with the second article stricken out, leaving the old treaties suspended for eight years, of no force, no validity ; the guarantee clause suspended, all the clauses that we complained of as inconsistent with Jay's treaty modified or stricken out. Then Napoleon, in approving this change, adds these words : " That by this retrenchment the two States renounce the respective pretensions which are the object of the said article." What is this ? What is the meaning of the word " renounce " ? What is the meaning of the word " pretensions " ? In what respect does this langiiage differ from the legal effect of the action of the Senate already ? It was sim- ply, " We will abandon those claims ; we will no longer press them upon each other ; we renounce the several pretensions." The French renounced the pretension that the old treaties were in force against us to hamper us for all time to come, and we renounced the pretension that their seizures were in violation of international law. We aban- doned all these controversies. That is the construction I put upon it, and it seemed to me so obvious a one that I was passing it by without notice. I think that the words bear the construction I have given, and are perfectly consistent with the construction I have already put upon the action of the Senate. Whether this foot-note of Napoleon — because it is not published as a part of the treaty, it is published in the correspon- dence — changed the treaty or modified our action in striking out the second article, I leave to the honorable Senator [Mr. Frelinghuysen] to discuss. Admit it, in what respect does this differ from the action of the Senate already ? Simply an abandonment by both parties of any future negotiation involving a controversy upon which they could not agree. They renounced the prosecution of these claims, that is all. We had over and again insisted on the justice of the claims ; the French over and over again had insisted that they were not just, that their acts ^ were acts of reprisal for our violations of treaties ; and the pretensions of these two nations — that is, the claims, the construction, the acts of the two nations in construing the treaty, the several claims, pretensions, or whatever you please to call them — should be abandoned, renounced, no longer prosecuted, no longer pressed. We could not change the idea of the French that we had done them injustice. We did not ask the French to abandon their opinion, nor did they ask us to abandon ours. Mr. President, I come now very briefiy to consider another point. If this claim rested upon a clear legal right, why was it not pressed 374 SPEECHES AND EEP0ET8 OF JOHN SHEEMAN. upon tlie generation of men who knew all about it ? You will find at the end of the report of the Senator from Massachusetts the whole his- tory of this controversy. There was no action that had any bearing upon it until 1818. The petitions that were presented April 22, 1802, and February 8, 1807, had no bearing on the controversy. The first time the subject was presented to the Senate of the United States was in 1818. The Committee on Foreign Relations was then composed of the following eminent Senators : Macon, of North Carolina ; Barbour, of Virginia ; King, of New York ; Laycock, of Pennsylvania ; Daggett, of Connecticut ; all of them men whose names are still remembered. Although the reputation gained in political life as a matter of course is very transient, yet every one will remember the names of these emi- nent men. They gave the subject a patient investigation, and here I have their report, and that report, although couiparea with the volumi- nous documents that have appeared in regard to French spoliations since it is very small, is a clear and fair statement of the whole case, decidedly adverse to the claim, and they put it upon the ground upon which I rest my opinion, that the action of the Senate and the action of Napo- leon in qualifying the ratification of the Senate did not create a liability either in law or equity on the part of the United States to pay these claims. I will not take time to read the report. The next time the question came before Congress was January 31, 1822, when another report, made by the Committee on Foreign Rela- tions of the Senate, upon this class of claims, was again adverse on the very same ground, and on other grounds, that the act of the Govern- ment of the United States in striking out the second article of the treaty of 1800, and the attending circumstances in regard to Napoleon, did not create any liability on the part of the United States. No one then set up the idea of a set-off or assumpsit ; no one then set up the idea of a contract, or attempted to assimilate this matter to a contract between individuals, but they denied the claim on the broad principle that this act of the Government of the United States did not create any obligation in equity or right on us to assume it. The first time the bill passed the Senate of the United States was in 1835. I have the debate before me. Then, for the first time, it passed by a close vote of 30 to 25. What were the circumstances of the country at that time ? All the claims from the ante-revolutionary period were raked up ; the Treasury was overflowing ; Congi-ess was engaged in all kinds of legislation to deplete an overflowing Treasury. They -actually passed bills for the distribution of money among the States. The public debt had been paid off. Every claim that had a shadow of equity was brought up, and among the rest this French spoliation claim, nurtured for thirty-five years. The advertisement I have read you shows that the agency established in AV'ashington com- menced its operations in 1822. By 1835 they had created a kind of opinion in favor of the claims, and in 1835 they were discussed. Then the celebrated report of Mrf Clay, niado in 1S26, containing all the documentary information, was before the Senate. I would be per- fectly willing to take thiit debate of 1835, in which some of the most eminent men of this country participated, and allow every man to pass FKENOH SPOLIATION CLAIMS. 375 a dispassionate judgment upon it. There was "Webster, with his great intellect, throwing nis whole weight in favor of the claims, reporting them, advocating them strongly and ably. He was supported by Pres- ton and others. On the other hand there were Wright and Benton, Bibb, and Hill of New Hampshire, and other eminent men who took ground against them. I have read the debate carefully, and I do believe that, but for the fact, so often commented upon, that there was money in the Treasury and the time had arrived when all claims should be paid, the biU would not have passed the Senate ; but it did. It passed the Senate by a vote of 30 to 25. It went to the House of Representatives, but the House refused to pass it. It was continued along until, I think, in 1847 it finally got through the House. Having first passed the Sen- ate, the Senate voted for it again rather as a matter of course ; and it was twice vetoed, and for seventy years has been here before Congress. It is said that there are some thirty or forty reports in favor of it. "Why, sir, how incorrect that is ! The way the reports came to be in favor of this bill was that some Senator who thought his constituents were interested would move a select committee, to whom it would be referred. A majority of the committee had to be in favor of it. That was the rule of parliamentary law. Most of the reports in the first instance were made by such committees. And so, year after year, from 1829 down to 1861, a majority of, and nearly all, the reports were made by select committees of one or the other House, packed, as I may say — and I say it in no offensive sense — packed by parliamentary law in favor of the claims. At one time, ia connection with the report of the majority, there was a strong statement by the minority, made by Mr. Cambreleng. I do not give any weight to these reports ; I do not see that they have any weight on either side ; but when it is said that this claim has been passed by committee after committee, I reply that they have not re- ceived at any time the sanction of law, the sanction of any authority made by law in regard to the public Treasury, and I hope to God they never will. The Senator from Massachusetts opens his beautiful report by saying that this claim will never die. I believe it never will die. It is supported by the interest of corporations ; and I say now that much the larger por- tion of the benefit to be derived from this bill is to go to insurance com- panies, who are immortal. They are corporations that never die. But for the fact that the great mass, not of the petitioners, because this ad- vertisement shows you how these petitions are brought here, but the great mass in amount of the clairns are by insurance companies, these coi-po- rations that never die, they would have died out by inanition. The men who originally presented the claims, their children, and their grandchil- dren have been swept away ; and now, if you pass this five-miUion bill, to whom wiU the money go ? How will those men and the children of those men who suffered by the de5)redations of the French furnish the proof ? "Where are the records that enable them to preserve the truth ? The family is scattered or dead ; the papers gone. How many papers of seventy years ago now exist ? But in the records of these 376 SPEECHES AND REP0ET8 OF JOHN SHEEMAN. corporations, in their pigeon-holes and boxes, stored away safely for future time, with their agent here in Washington, the claims are kept alive. I say this is an argument to show that this claim, if it is placed on tlie ground of equity, is not one that the Senate ought to regard. What is the condition of an insurer ? An insurer takes the risk. He is paid for taking the risk. It is shown here by these documents that insurance ranged at that time from twenty-five to fifty per cent. ; so that if one vessel was lost out of three it was still a profitable venture. It is also shown by these papers that at that time the largest profits were made by American commerce that have ever been made in the history of our country. These insurance companies that set up these claims have been paid for their risk. They have made money. Some of the largest fortunes in this country were founded on the operations of insurance prior to 1800. Not only that, sir ; many of the persons interested in these insur- ance companies were Englishmen. The stock was mainly owned by Englishmen. Englishmen sought to protect their ventures under our fiag, and the French complained that while the American flag was raised over the vessel it was the property of Englishmen, commanded by Englishmen, and manned by Englishmen, and Englishmen were their enemies who were seeking to starve them to death. That was the argument of the French. And now we are called upon after seventy-two years to pay to the subjects of one of these belligerents the investments they made under our nag for injuries done by another of the belligerents. That is precisely the condition in which we are placed. The claim of insurance companies does not stand upon so equitable a ground as would the claim of an individual. Mr. Webster admits that the body of these claims is owned by insurance companies. Mr. Millson, in a very able speech made in 1855, states the same fact at great length, and gives the reasons why the insurance companies owned these claims. Mr. Webster insists that the insurers are subrogated to the rights of the insured, and by law are entitled to press the claims. I do not know about it. I do not know whether the law of subroga- tion applies to claims that can not be enforced in the courts. Mr. Web- ster says it does. Perhaps he is correct. But, sir, I say if we ai"e called upon on the ground of equity to pay this money, to satisfy a kind of equitable demand, I present this fact, that the money will go to insurance companies who are still in existence, most of whose stock was then owned by British merchants. The facts are fully developed in these papers. That is another reason why we should be reluctant to pass the claim merely on an equitable ground. But there is another objection on the face of this bill. Who are to receive this money ? What is the character of the obligation ? Claims to indemnity npon the French Government, arising out of illegal captures, detentions, Huizures, condemnations, and confiscations. Why, sir, how vague is this language ; how indefinite ! What kind o' seizures were they ? How can we tell whether a seizure made eighty FKENCH SPOLIATIOK CLAIMS. 3YY years ago was legal or illegal ? "Where is the evidence ? Perhaps some of the seizures were really the seizures of English vessels under the American flag. Perhaps some of them were of vessels for violating maritime law, violating the laws of nations, seeking cover imder our flag to violate that law. How can we tell? All seizures, all condem- nations, all embargoes will be embraced by this broad, sweeping clause. Who can say that they were illegal ? Upon the Government of the United States will depend the proof that they were illegal ? These men will show that their cargoes were captured, that they were seized under the American flag. They may bring a case under the French treaty, but it may be that that very property belonged to English sub- jects, that our flag was used as the mere cover of English property. How can that be found out ? All these vague, indefinite matters are sent to a commission without any means to try them except to parcel out this $5,000,000. But we are told the amount is limited to $5,000,000, and we ought not to take any great interest in it ; it is not so very large a sum. Five million dollars is not as much as it used to be ; but what ground have you to believe that this $5,000,000 is any Kmit to this claim ? The Senator from Pennsylvania [Mr. Cameron] said yesterday that the amount was twenty millions; the Senator from Massachusetts [Mr. Sumner] says it was fifteen millions seventy-two years ago, and the Senator from Massachusetts quotes law that I can not gainsay that claims of this kind bear interest, and that the real claims of these persons are fifteen millions with interest for seventy-two years. But you say you have limited them to five millions ; they must dole that out ; they must divide it among themselves. But suppose they find a board of com- missioners who report to us that there was due in 1800 $20,000,000 to these claimants. If one cent was due, it was all due. What right have you to parcel out the justice of the American people by a dividend of twenty-five per cent. ? We are not bankrupt. If we are bound to pay these claims, let us go to the whole extent and pay them all. Evidently this is a mere effort to get this five mil- lions on a controverted question ; and if a judgment of twenty miUions due in 1800 is rendered against us, how can you resist the payment of the interest and the payment of the balance ? Kemember the claims made by Massachusetts for interest in the war claims of 1812 — and they were finally paid. But it is said that these people are to give a release. What is the value of the release ? Since I have been in Congress I have seen at least twenty bills passed where there were releases on file. Take the Chorpenning claim ; in that case there was not only a release, but an actual law prohibiting the receipt of any more. So, although this re- lease is given, the claimants will come back and say it was done under compulsion. The release can be explained away. Even a release under seal is held not to bind a future Congress. How can Congress know about this release ? For although this claim be so large and notorious, how can we answer the question, if we pay five millions on this just claim (because we thereby acknowledge its justice) ? Why not pay the whole twenty milhons, even if we pay it without interest ? There is 378 SPEECHES AND REPORTS OF JOHN SHERMAN. no limit. As my colleague remarks to me, and I have no doubt he is correct, although I have not examined the official statement, there is no evidence on the files of the Department of State in regard to the amount of the claims, except the ex parte evidence of the claimants themselves. There is one other point that I submit to Senators : whether we can do this with a just regard to the memory of the men who preceded us on this floor, or who managed the Government from its foundation. This bill, in language which it seems to me is oflEensive, assumes and declares in so many words that all the acts of the United States Gov- ernment relating to this controversy before 1800 were wrong. I will read it to you. it goes on and provides for this commission. Remem- ber, the United States Government never acknowledged the binding operation of these treaties during the time these claims accrued, and yet this bill declares that these commissioners, when they pay these claims, " shall be governed in their decisions by the principles of jus- tice, the law of nations, and former treaties between the United States and France, to wit, the treaty of amity and commerce of the 6th of February, 1Y78, the treaty of alliance of the same date, and the consu- sular convention of the lith of November, 1788." Here this biU, nearly eighty years after the proclamation of neutral- ity, reverses and overrules the decision of George Washington and his Cabinet and the whole American people. We now declare that we will pay these claims, recognizing those treaties to be in full force ; in other words, that the seventeenth and twenty-second articles of the old treaty, which Washington declared to be inoperative, and the guarantee of the West India islands, which was declared by the whole Govern- ment to be applicable only to a state of defensive war, shall be en- forced. I am not willing to legislate in any such view. If this $5,000,000 is to be distributed among these people, let it be so. But why should we revive these treaties and do what our Government refused to do over and over again ? And yet that is what we do. We declare that this money shall be distributed upon the assumption that those treaties were in force in 1800, and for the distribution of this money we revive all those treaties which our Government always refused to do. In other words, this bill is based upon the French idea of our controvei-sy, and not upon the American idea. It is based upon the assumption that we were wrong and that France was right, and that we are re- quired to pay all the claims that grew out of the violation of the articles of a treaty that was declared to be inoperative upon us, not applicable to the condition of affairs ; a treaty that was rejected by the executive authority, by the judicial authority, and by express terms of law by the legislative authority. And yet we revive these treaties in order to distnbute this money among our citizens. These claimants have no equity on another ground. This policy of neutrality was adopted at their instance, for their benefit, for their Hiifety, for their protection, and although tliey lost in many cases, yet the actu:il profits during that period of our commerce were greater than ever before in American history. Senators may be surprised when I FKENOH SPOLIATION CLAIMS. 379 tell them that our exports and imports had risen from $31,000,000 in 1793 to $100,000,000 and over in 1800. During this time of detentions, of seizures, of captures, our commerce had sprung into the greatest ac- tivity that it had ever had. Profits and fortunes were made that bear no comparison with those that hp-ve been made since. Our trade sprung up threefold in seven years. While these people met with large losses by detentions and seizures both by Great Britain and France, because Great Britain also pursued this unlawful foray upon our commerce, yet our flag was the only neutral flag among the commercial and maritime nations, and our merchants made enormous profits. Our commerce in- creased threefold, and for the first time we appeslred among the nations of the earth with the prospect in the speedy future of becoming one of the great commercial nations. Yes, sir, in seven years our commerce, both external and internal, increased wonderfully ; our imports rose from thirty-one to one hundred millions, and our exports in the same ratio. Our farmers were all occupied. The wheat and the grain from America fed the soldiers and the citizens of France. They fed Great Britain. They were exported to all the countries of Europe ; and although we did suffer some losses, this among the rest, yet the general condition of our country, its general prosperity, the enormous profits made by these merchants more than compensated them for all their losses. I have no doubt these very claimants would have been glad for more spoliation, more wars between the nations of Europe, in order to give them an increased profit from the neutral carrying trade which they then enjoyed. Now, Mr. President, there is only one other consideration which I desire to present, and then I will relieve the Senate. The passage of this bill, in opening up antiquated claims, will, I think, have a very serious effect in many other directions. If a claim can be persistently urged for seventy long years, under the adverse circumstances that surrounded this one, and finally be crowned with the success of an appropriation of $5,000,000, to be distributed in an indefinite way among unknown or dead claimants, how eager will other men be to revive old claims! They are scattered .through our whole history. "Why do you not redeem the continental money ? Your act of 1792 to sustain the public credit reduced that money to the value of one dollar for a hundred. "Why do you not pay the children of the revolu- tionary soldiers, whose fathers fought and bled and died for us and were paid off in continental money at one dollar for a hundred ? You promised the officers of the army in the revolutionary war to give them half pay for life ; in some cases for five years. Did you ever perform that obligation ? "Why did you not do it ? These were worthy sub- jects for your consideration, and their descendants still live and flourish among you. It is true that we did the best we could in the agreement with the soldiers and officers of the Eevolution. In the general bill establishing the public credit we did give the officers in some cases half pay, compounded with them, compromised with them. I might go through our list and name an immense number of such claims. Sir, the success of this claim of seventy-two years' standing will give en- couragement to the revival of a great mass of others. 380 SPEECHES AND KEPORTS OF JOHN SHERMAN. If these claims are just, we ought not to compound with the claim- ants at twenty-tive cents on the dollar, after keeping them out of their money for seventy-two years. Sir, there is no justice in the claims. Mr. President, who can tell the effect of the passage of this bill upon the public credit? If we open the door to all the multitude of claims that may arise it will very seriously impair it. We have been pursuing the policy since the close of the war of a gradual reduction of taxes. We have now diminished our taxation until it approaches very near to our expenditures. We can not now revive these old claims and pay them. It is no time to do it. It will affect the public credit. Mr. President, I believe that this claim has no merit either in law or in equity. I believe that the Government of the United States never appropriated these claims, but did" all they could to enforce them. They were abandoned for high and justifiable public reasons, and under cir- cumstances that gave the parties no claim whatever upon the Govern- ment. They have already received large benefits and great profits from the policy adopted by the Government. This money is to go mainly to a class of people who have no equitable claim. The whole bill is framed with a view to parcel out $5,000,000 among a lot of cor- porations who have kept up this controversy and continued it year after year by an organization in the city of Washington. I think, therefore, the Senate, where the basis of the claim originated, can not do better than at once to disapprove it. I hardly expect that, because I know a kindly usage has sprung up in the Senate, by which, because one Senate thirty or forty years ago passed a bill, therefore this Senate must do it. That has got to be a general idea, and this French spoliation bill has passed the Senate on something like that idea. It passed the Senate in 1835, and therefore it must pass the Senate in 1892, or 1950, and be sent to the House. But I do think after the lapse of time that has oc- curred we might at least say, " Let this controversy be buried ; let these claims be abandoned ; they will be no good precedent." KEISSUE OF NOTES. IN THE SENATE, JANUARY 14, 187S. Mb. Shsbman, from the Committee on Finance, submitted the following report. The Committee on Finance, in obedience to the resolution of the Senate of the 6th instant, as follows: "Resolved, That the Committee on Finance be directed to inquire whether the Secretary of the Treasury has power, under existing law, to issue United States notes in lieu of the forty-four million dollars of notes retired and canceled under the act of April 12, 1868," beg leave to report: That a construction of the act of April 12, 186(5, rendei-s necessary the examination of the several acts authorizing legal-tender notes. The power of the Secretary of the Treasury to issue tlie notes described in the resolution, if it exists, must have been conferred by these acts. The EEISSUE OF NOTES. 381 authority of Congress to authorize their issue has been disputed, but may now be considered as settled by aU departments of the Govern- ment. It was exercised by Congress only under the most pressing necessity. As an incident to the powers to borrow money, to coin money, to declare and maintain war, and to provide for the national defense and general welfare, it was first asserted and exercised by Congress February 25, 1862, when to coin the public credit into money seemed the only expedient left to maintain the authority of the Government during a pressing war. This authority was again exercised July 11, 1862, and March 3, 1863. The several acts of these dates declared United States notes to be lawful money, and a legal tender in payment of all debts, public or private, within the United States, except for duties on im- ports and interest on the public debt ; and they were to be issued only if required by the exigency of the public service for the payment of the army and navy and other creditors of the Government. The amount of each issue was carefully limited. The aggregate could not exceed $4:50,000,000, and in fact never exceeded $433,160,569. The power thus exercised was felt to be a dangerous one, liable to abuse, and was carefully limited and guarded. Though the war continued two years and more after the passage of the act of March 3, 1863, and immense sums were borrowed upon various forms of security, the limit of United States notes was not enlarged. By the proviso in section 2 of the act of June 30, 1864, under which the national debt was largely increased, it was provided, among other limitations, " nor shall the total amount of United States notes issued, or to be issued, ever exceed $400,000,000, and such additional sum not exceeding $50,000,000 as may be tempo- rarily required for the redemption of temporary loan." It is apparent that this provision in a loan act was not only a limitation upon previous acts authorizing United States notes, but was a declaration of public policy and a pledge of the public faith to the national creditors that their securities should not ever thereafter be impaired by any increase in legal-tender notes. The United States notes were regarded as a necessaiy medium or means to borrow money during war, with full knowledge that in due time they were to be redeemed m coin, and that any increase would impair their value and affect the value of all public securities. The close of the war was followed with measures by both the exec- utive and legislative branches of the Government to limit and reduce the volume of legal-tender notes still further. All forms of temporary loan, including the legal-tender interest-bearing Treasury notes, were funded into bonds. For this purpose a portion of the $50,000,000 of reserved United States notes under the act of June 30, 1864, was used for the redemption of temporary loan ; but these notes were soon re- deemed and canceled, with the avowed policy of contracting the cur- rent. The act of April 12, 1866, referred to in the resolution of the Sen- ate, was passed in approval of and in accordance with the avowed pol- icy of Mr. McCuUoch, then Secretary of the Treasury, to retire aU short-time liabilities, by funding them into bonds, and to reduce the 382 SPEECHES AND REPORTS OF JOHN SHERMAN. volume of United States notes, so that those outstanding should be, from their scarcity, at par with gold. The only limitation made to this power of contraction was by the following proviso : Provided, Tliat of United States notes not more than ten tnillions of dollars may be retired and canceled within six months from the passage of this act, and there- after not more than four millions of dollars in any one month. It is clear that this act authorized the payment, cancellation, and destruction of " all obligations issued under any act of Congress, whether bearing interest or not," and the issue in lieu thereof of any description of bonds authorized by the act of March 3, 1865. The issue of the bonds necessarily involved the destruction and cancellation of the obligations received in exchange for them ; for the act declared that it should not be construed to authorize any increase of the public debt. To hold that any of the obligations, " whether bearing interest or not," received by the United States in exchange for its bonds, can be issued again, is utterly inconsistent with the primary object of the act — the funding of the debt^— and with the provision that the debt shall not be increased by the exchange. But for the provision limiting the cancellation of United States notes, all of them might have been canceled when received in exchange for bonds. Subject to this limitation, the act of April 12, 1866, treats United States notes as one of the numerous forms of demand or short-time ob- ligations which it was public policy to fund and retire, with a view to specie payments. The bonds were to be issued solely for the purpose of securing the cancellation and final payment of an equal amount of other indeotedness. United States notes could be issued as a medium of the exchange ; but, if so, they were to be used to retire other obli- gations. To a limited extent they could be canceled and retired, and to that extent their cancellation was as complete a payment and ex- tinguishment as if a conipound-interest note was canceled and retired. It was the desire of the Secretary of the Treasury to retire the United States notes or to contract the currency more rapidly than Congress deemed prudent, and the object of the proviso was to limit the con- traction, but at the same time to provide for a gradual reduction of the currency, with a view to specie payments. To construe the act as permitting the reissue of United States notes canceled under it would allow the Secretary to increase the debt in di- rect violation of the act. To evade the act, he would only have to receive the notes in payment of a bond issued, and then cancel the notes and issue others in their place. In this way both notes and bonds would be outstanding. The plain intent of this act was to reduce and contract the currency. To render this more apparent, we refer briefly to what preceded the passage of the act of the I'itli of April, 1866. In December, 1S63, after the passage of the acts authorizing the issue of legal-tender notes, and Avhcn the temporary deposits reached $145,720,000, for meeting which $50,000,000 of the' $150,000,000 Uni- ted States notes authorized were to be held as a reserve, Secretary Chase, in his annual report (p. 17), said : The limit proscribed by law to the issue of United States notes has been reached, and the Secretary thinks it clearly inexpedient to increase the amount. REISSUE OP NOTES. 383 Speaking of the purpose for which they were issued, he said : Congress believed that four hundred millions would suffice for these purposes, and therefore limited the issues to that sum. He also recommended the increase of the limit for temporary de- posits, then iixed by act of July 11, 1862, at $100,000,000, to $160,- 000,000, and stated that $10,000,000 of the $50,000,000 reserve had been used in its redemption (p. 16). It was after these recommenda- tions that the act of June 30, 1864, was passed (13 Stat., p. 218), which reenacted this recognized limit of $400,000,000 of United States notes " issued or to be issued," and increased the limit of temporary deposits to $150,000,000. This act provides the same reserve, not exceeding $50,000,000, to be temporarily used for the redemption of such tem- porary loan. After this act, in his annual report in December, 1864, Secretary Fessenden again twice (pp. 3 and 18) recognizes that, even prior to its passage, the limit of intended circulation was $400,000,000 of United States notes. Secretary McCuUoch, in his annual report in December, 1865 (p. 11), says " that the circulating medium of the country is altogether exces- sive," and proceeds to combat objections urged to a reduction of the currency. After making various recommendations, all tending to di- minish the volume of circulating notes, he adds (p. 14) : It is the opinion of the Secretary, as has been already stated, that the process of contraction can not be injuriously rapid, and that it will not be necessary to retire more than one hundred, or at most two hundred millions of United States notes, in addition to the compound notes, before the desired result will be attained. But neither the amount of reduction nor the time that will be required to bring up the currency to the specie standard can now be estimated with any degree of accu- racy. The tirst thing to be done is to establish the policy of contraction. The first act in response to this recommendation w.as the following resolution, introduced into the House of Eepresentatives loth March, 1866, and passed by the very decided vote of 144 yeas, 6 nays : Besohed, That this House cordially concurs in the views of the Secretary of the Treasury in relation to the necessity of a contraction of the currency, with a view to as early a resumption of specie payments as the business interests of the country will permit ; and we hereby pledge cooperative action to this end as speedily as practicable. Afterward, the bill was introduced in the House of Eepresentatives, and finally passed, and was approved April 12, 1866. It was discussed at length, and during the whole debate its purpose was avowed to be contraction of the currency and resumption of specie payments as a consequence. Objections to the great power conferred upon the Sec- retary of the Treasury, under which he could call in and retire the whole of the legal-tender notes, resulted in a recommittal of the bill to the Committee of Ways and Means ; and, in reporting it back, the chairman stated that the recommittal was considered an instruction to place a limit upon the power of contraction. Hence the proviso which limits the contraction to $10,000,000 in the first six months, and $4,000,- 000 per month afterward. If the power to reissue had been a power coexisting with that of 384 SPEECHES AND REPORTS OF JOHN SHERMAN. retiring, it is evident that the act of February 4, 1868, was unnecessary ; for the evil to be arrested by that act could as well have been arrested by the reissue of the notes. That act was passed when it was alleged that contraction was too rapid, and was not intended to relieve the' stringency by authorizing a reissue, but, on the contrary, only suspended the power exercised after the passage of the act of 1866. From this review of the several acts relating to United States notes, we may fairly conclude that the intent and legal effect of these acts, when lairly construed, was to reduce the maximum of legal-tender notes to $356,000,000. No one appears to have asserted that the Secretary had power to increase that sum. The care with which a maximum was always prescribed indicates the intention of Congress to preserve one. The only contingency for an excess was to " temporarily " meet " tem- porary loan," and by the act of April, 1866, the temporary loan was funded. When the policy of contraction was entered upon, the words used — "retired and canceled" — as clearly expressed a permanent pay- ment and contraction as any words could do. If possible, the words were made stronger by forbidding an increase of the public debt ; the issue favored myself often, and would favor now if I had my own way and had no opinion to consult but my own, is that of converting United States notes into a bond that would graduaUj^ appreciate our notes to par in gold. That has always been a favorite idea of mine. There is nothing of that kind in this bill ex- cept those provisions which authorize the Secretary of the Treasury to issue bonds to retire the greenbacks as bank notes are issued, and to issue bonds to provide for and to maintain resumption. I therefore have been compelled to surrender my ideas on this bill in order to accomplish a good object without using the means that have been held objectionable by many Senators. The third plan of resumption which has been favored very exten- sively in this country is that of a graduated scale ; what I call the Engush plan. That is, that we provide now for the redemption at a fixed rate or scale of rates of so much gold for a specific sum of United States notes. At present rates we would give about $90 of gold for $100 of greenbacks, and then provide for a graduated scale by which we would approach specie payments constantly, and reach it at a fixed day. This may be called a gradual redemption. This, also, is objec- tionable to many persons, from the idea that it compels us to enter the money markets of the world to discount our own paper. It is an ideal objection, but a veiy strong objection ; an objection that has force with a great many people. We have undertaken to redeem these notes in com, and it is at least a question of doubtful ethics whether we ought to enter into the markets of the world and buy our own notes at a dis- count. Although that plan was adopted in England and successfully carr'ed into execution, yet there is a strong objection to it in this country,^ *nd therefore that mode is abandoned. Either of these plans I could readily support ; but they have met and wiU meet with such opposition that we can not hope to carry them or to ingraft them in this bill without defeating it. We have then fallen back on these gradual steps : first, to retire the fractional currency ; second, to reduce 470 SPEECHES AND REPORTS OF JOHN SHERMAN. United States notes as bank notes are increased ; and then to rest our plan of redemption upon the declaration made on the faith of the United States that at the time fixed by the bill we wiU resume the payment of the United States notes in coin at par. That is the whole of this bill. Not only are all these plans of gradual redemption omitted from the bill, but there are also many troublesome questions omitted from the bill. If we undertake to define precisely what shall be done four years hence on the resumption of specie payments, to say whether the legal- tender act shall then be repealed, or whether it shaU be repealed before or not, we enter upon a very difficult field, and will undoubtedly divide the Senate and divide the country. Is it not better to postpone, until the time comes to meet them, these questions which must then arise, rather than to engage in an attempt to settle them now, four years in advance ? We declare the time when specie payments shall be resumed in order to give fair notice, so that market values for the future may be adjusted and so that people will prepare themselves for resumption. Our people may then base their transactions upon that solemn declarar tion made by Congress. In regard to the other point as to the reissue of the fractional cur- rency, it will be seen that the first section is carefully worded to require an equal amount in number and denomination of the fractional currency to be redeemed, and that this process is to continue until the whole amount of the fractional currency outstanding shall be redeemed. But it is said that perhaps after all this is done we can not compel people who hold the fractional currency to present it for redemption. It must be remembered that we can not coin sufficient money to redeem all the forty-seven millions now outstanding in less than three years. The question is raised whether at the end of the three years during which this process will go on we shall provide by peremptory law that the fractional currency shall not be reissued under any circumstances. We do not undertake to do it, and I simply say that we should leave this question just where the section leaves it. We have provided for the sure and certain redemption of this fractional currency in a course of time which can not exceed three years, and therefore we do not propose to go further and decide whether it may be issued again or not. Until it IS fully redeemed the currency can not be reissued, and then it will be time enough to determine its issue or reissue. In regard to the absolute cancellation of the legal-tender notes that may be redeemed under the operations of the free banking clause, that matter is also provided for in the same way : And whenever, and so often as, circulating notes shall be issued to any such banking association, so increasing its capital or circulating notes, or so newly organ- ized as aforesaid, it shall be the duty of the Secretary of tlie Treasury to redeem the legal-tender United States notes in excess only of $800,000,000 to the amount of 80 per cent, of the sum of national-bank notes so issued to any such bankingwssooiation as aforesaid, and to continue such redemption as such circulating notes are issued until there shall be outstanding the sum ot $800,000,000 of such legal-tender United States notes, and no more. How long will it take before this contingency shall arise ? How THE RESUMPTIOIT ACT. 471 long will it be before $100,000,000 of circulating notes will be issued to national banks? How long will it be before this process comes to sncli an end tbat the question is at all material ? No one can tell how fast these notes will be issued, or how rapidly they will be called for. In the present condition of affairs none probably wiU be issued, but no doubt with the revival of industry, with the local demand for banks here and there, with the probable new wants of currency made neces- sary by the increase of business, banks will be organized, how rapidly no man can tell. At any rate the question is not material until the whole amount of $82,000,000 is reduced, until the limit of $300,000,000 is reached. It is therefore scarcely necessary for us to ingraft in this biU provisions that wiU undoubtedly lead to controversy and dispute, in order to meet a question that will be provided for in the future. At all events I say frankly that we do not propose to decide that question in this biU. I have no doubt that, when the time arrives when the question becomes material, it will be met. Undoubtedly until the reduction of the United States notes to $300,000,000 they can not be reissued. The pi '^ ',ess must go on jpa/ri passu until the amount of legal-tender notes is reduced to $300,000,000. Before that time wiU probably arrive in the course of human affairs, at least one or two Con- gresses will have met and disappeared, and we may leave to the future these questions that tend to divide us and distract us, rather than un- dertake to thrust them into this biU and thus divide us and prevent us from doing something in the direction at which we aim. It is said that the biU is open to the construction that the Secretary of the Treasury may gather up the 80 per cent, as a reserve and reissue the notes again, and that it is the intent of those who made the biU that it shall be open. I leave that question to be decided upon the law as it stands. The case that is put of what I regarded as an illegal issue of notes probably may never arise, and certainly it can not arise for a con- siderable period oi time. But if there is any doubt upon that ques- tion, I leave every Senator to construe the law for himself ; and if there is a doubt about it, I say it is not wise as practical men dealing vdth practical affairs, seeking to accomplish a result, to introduce into this bill a controversy which will prevent that unity that is necessary to carry the good that is contained in this biU. I am asked whether in my own mind the bill is open to that con- struction. I do not care to give my opinion now. I have given my opinion once or twice before in regard to these questions. For instance, I gave my opinion when a bill was originally before the Senate four or five years ago that the reserve which was provided in that bill could not be reissued, and yet that opinion did not control the Secretary of the Treasury for the time being. I prefer to leave that question where the law leaves it, and to the judgment of that Congress that may come hereafter. But the question is asked whether we should pass a Lill on a siib- ject like this, so delicate and so important, the meaning of which is so obscure that the champion of the bill has to admit himself that its construction will be left to the courts of the United States. 472 SPEEOPIES AND REPORTS OF JOHN SHERMAN. In supporting a bill of this kind, I do not meet all possible ques- tions that may arise in its construction, and no human mind could do it. I know this, and upon this rock I stand : that this bill has provi- sions in it which tend to accomplish the purpose which I have so dili- gently sought, and I wiU not seek to obstruct its passage or defeat it by thrusting into it doubtful questions of law or public policy which may tend to defeat it. I take this bill not as the biU that I should propose myseK, a biU which itself surrenders many of my convictions as to the means to be employed to accomplish the particular purpose designed, but I take it because I see that every provision in it tends to the object sought, and I wiU not weaken it by putting in questions of grammar or construction which may tend to weaken and destroy it. It seems to me the language is very strong and the provisions ample and potent : And to enable the Secretary of the Treasury to prepare and provide for the redemption in this act authorized or required, he is authorized to use any surplus revenues, from time to time, in the Treasury not otherwise appropriated, and to issue, sell, and dispose of, at not less than par, in coin, either of the descriptions of bonds of the United States described in the act of Congress approved July 14, 1870, entitled " An act to authorize the refunding of the national debt," with like qualities, privileges, and exemptions, to the extent necessary to carry this act into full effect, and to use the proceeds thereof for the purpose aforesaid. In other words, to prepare for and maintain redemption, he may issue either a four or a four and a half or a five per cent, bond, the lowest that he can sell at par in coin. We place in his hands the sur- plus revenue of the Government. More than that, we here by law declare our purpose, the purpose of a Government and a people that have never violated their obligations when distinctly made, that at this time and date we will do these things which amount to a resumption of specie payments. Now, sir, the great weakness of our currency is that we have under- taken to pay our notes in coin, and do not fulfill our promise. No man denies that obligation. It is so written upon the statute books, now six years old. But from the fact that we have not said at what time we win do it, the question is stiU open to rest upon the construction which each Senator and member may give to the words " as eai-ly as practicable " — an indefinite phrase at least, and one that applies to all future ages. The object of this bill and the objective point of this bill is to fix a time within which the honor of the United States is pledged to redeem these notes in coin ; and that pledge, if made by Congi-ess, and I trust it may be made by the whole of Congress of all parties and made by the whole people — that pledge, if made, will be redeemed. It is true a subsequent Congress may repeal it. Anything we can do may be repealed by a subsequent Congress. All we can do is in our time to pledge the faith of the United States to do this in the future ; and if the people in their power and might, through agents hereafter elected, violate this promise, there is no power in our Government to prevent it. We only know that they probably will not do it ; that a pledge thus specific, made as to a definite day and time, with ample powers given to an executive oflBcer to execute it, wiU be maintained. THE RESUMPTION ACT. ^ 473 I desire to say one word more, that this pledge is made knowing the full extent of the obligation imposed by this law, and I believe that every Senator who votes for this bill is personally pledged — all his political influence is pledged — ^to maintain that declaration, just as our fathers felt themselves bound by their lives, theii- fortunes, and their sacred honor to maintain the pledges they made in the Declaration of American Independence. The following is the act as passed by the two Houses : Aa Act to provide for the resumption of specie payments. Be it enacted lyy the Senate and House of Representatives of the United States of America in Congress assembled, That the Secretary of the Treasury is hereby au- thorized and required, as rapidly as practicable, to cause to be coined, at the mints of the United States, silver coins of the denominations of ten, twenty-five, and fifty cents, of standard value, and to issue them in redemption of an equal number and amount of fractional currency of similar denominations, or, at his discretion, he may issue such silver coins through the mints, the sub-treasuries, public deposita- ries, and post-ofiBces of the United States ; and, upon such issue, he is hereby au- thorized and required to redeem an equal amount of such fractional currency, until the whole amount of such fractional currency outstanding shall be redeemed. Seo. 2. That so much of section three thousand five hundred and twenty-four of the Revised Statutes of the United States as provides for a charge of one fifth of one per centum for converting standard gold bullion Into coin is hereby re- pealed ; and hereafter no charge shall be made for that service. Sbo. 3. That section five thousand one hundred and seventy-seven of the Re- vised Statutes, limiting the aggregate amount of cii'oulating notes of national bank- ing associations, be, and is hereby, repealed ; and each existing banking association may increase its circulating notes in accordance with existing law without respect to said aggregate limit ; and new banking associations may be organized in accord- ance with existing law without respect to said aggregate limit ; and the provisions of law for the withdrawal and redistribution of national bank currency among the several States and Territories are hereby repealed. And whenever, and so often as, cii'culating notes shall be issued to any such banking association, so increasing its capital or circulating notes, or so newly organized as aforesaid, it shall be the duty of Secretary of the Treasury to redeem the legal-tender United States notes in excess only of three hundred million of dollars, to the amount of eighty per cen- tum of the sum of national-bank notes so issued to any such banking association as aforesaid, and to continue such redemption as such circulating notes are issued until there shall be outstanding the sum of three hundred million dollars of such legal- tender United States notes, and no more. And on and after the first day of Janu- ary, anno Domini eighteen hundred and seventy-nine, the Secretary of the Trea- sury shall redeem, in coin, the United States legal-tender notes then outstanding, on their presentation for redemption at the ofiice of the Assistant Treasurer of the United States in the city of New York, in sums of not less than fifty dollai'S. And to enable the Secretary of the Treasury to prepare and provide for the redemption in this act authorized or required, he is authorized to use any surplus revenues, from time to time, in the Treasury not otherwise appropriated, and to issue, sell, and dis- pose of, at not less than par, in coin, either of the descriptions of bonds of the United States described in the act of Congress approved July fourteenth, eighteen hundred and seventy, entitled "An act to aathorize the refunding of the national debt," with like qualities, privileges, and exemptions, to the extent necessary to carry this act into full eflfect, and to use the proceeds thereof for the purposes afore- said. And all provisions of law inconsistent with the provisions of this act are hereby repealed. Approved January 14, 1875. iU SPEECHES AND REPORTS OF JOHN SHERMAN. THE CUEKENCY. AT MARION, LAWEENOE COUNTY, OHIO, JULY SI, 1875. Fellow Citizens : I accepted your invitation to accompany Gov- ernor Hayes to this opening meeting of the canvass, partly from a de- sire to visit again this beautiful region of Ohio, but chiefly that I might present to you, in the clearest and simplest way, my view of the finan- cial questions involved in the canvass. I am personally indebted to the people of Lawrence County for their support during my official life, and have been in hearty accord with the views that have prevailed among you. I know very well the general interests which occupy you. You nave here a great diversity of employments. You are farmers, miners, and manufacturers. You sell food, coal, and iron. You suffered from the panic of 1873, and still suffer from the low price of iron. You are largely interested in questions of currency and taxation. You have among you some differences of opinion on these subjects. I therefore need not apologize to you when I say that I mean to confine myself on this occasion entirely to such topics. I am bound by my duty to you and to the people of Ohio to speak frankly upon the nnan- cial policy of the Republican party, with a confident belief that you are both able and willing to give to this policy your thoughtful considerar tion. And, fellow citizens, let us approach directly the questions involved. They relate to your currency, and, incidentally, to the principles that should guide us in levying taxes on imported goods. These matters are directly presented to you by both political parties, and the decision of the people of Ohio upon them will have a wide-reaching influence upon the whole people of the United States. What do we mean by the currency question ? Currency is that which, by law or custom, passes from hand to hand in exchange for labor and its productions, and for land, and all acquired wealth. Properly, the word currency in- cludes gold and sUver, as well as paper money ; but, now that we have a depreciated currency, it will be best understood if we regai-d our cur- rency as including only the United States notes, bank notes, and frac- tional currency in common use in the United States. The first and principal question is, shall this currency be made equal in purchasing power to gold and silver ? Upon this question thei'e ought to be no dif- ference OT opinion among intelligent men. By common consent, in all ages of the world, in aU civilized and semi-civilized nations, both Chris- tian and pagan — ^gold and silver have been regarded ns the best attain- able standards of value. They are not only easily made into current coin, but they are, in any form and wherever found, of intrinsic value, easily divided, indestructible, and readily transported. Different n.a- tions have tried many expedients to substitute something else as a standard of value, but experience has uniformly di-iven them back to gold and silver. Even now, in the United States, where we have a legal-tender paper currency, its depreciation is daily measured by the standard of gold. All our business with foreign countries, and most THE CUREEKOY. 475 of the large transactions in commercial cities, are based on gold values. And now, in spite of our law, the market value of all your productions — your wheat, your iron, your labor — is measured by gold. "We deceive ourselves, as did the Israelites of old, by making gods and worshiping them. We make our paper money a legal tender, a standard of value, and naturally think it measures the pnce of gold. We think we see gold rising and falling for the play of the bulls and bears of New York ; but it is our paper money — the public credit — that is rising and falling. Many hundred years ago men saw, as we now see, the sun rising in the East, passing over the firmament, and setting in the West. It appeared to them that the sun was a mere tender to the earth — a satellite, to render its daily offices for our use. Galileo and others proved that all this was deceptive ; that the earth moves around on its axis once a day, and, as one of the smallest of the planets, on its orbit once a year ; and that the sun was the center of our system, and was itseK but one of in- numerable stars. Though this has been demonstrated, and we all now admit it, yet we still say the sun rises, and the sun sets, just as the brokers say that gold has risen, or gold has fallen. And yet, fellow citizens, if we are not blinded by ignorance and heedlessness, we know that gold has not risen any more 'than the sun has risen ; that gold does not go down any more than the sun goes down. It is the public credit, the promise of the United States to pay a dollar in coin, that rises and falls. Paper money is worth nothing except what it promises to be paid in gold ; and then its value is in precise proportion to the expectation that it will be paid in gold, according to promise. The commercial world measures the value of our currency by its estimate or conjecture as to the time when we will redeem it in gold. All know that we have the ability to redeem it, but they speculate upon our willingness to do it, and measure in this way the depreciation of our note, just as they measure the value of an Erie Railroad bond, or any other security. Convince the commercial world that you will redeem this currency m gold when presented, and it at once becomes at par in gold. It will then buy as much food and clothing as wUl the best gold coin ever issued from the mint. When we can redeem it, it wiU be like the Frenchman's bank biU — " If you have the money I don't want it, if you haven't I do." Then the gold and the note wiU circulate side by side, the one interchangeable for the other. To accomplish this is now the highest object of statesmanship, and the greatest good to all classes, but especially those who labor for their daily bread. And here, fellow citizens, you may ask : If gold is the best standard of value, why have any other money ? Why have paper money at all ? Why not fall back upon hard money, as the only currency ? This was the old doctrine of the Democratic party of Jackson and "Benton — ^yes, and of Governor AUen, too, forty years ago. The answer is that the experience of commercial nations has demonstrated that paper money is a great convenience in promoting exchanges. It is more portable ; can be transferred more readily from hand to hand; it can be more easily guarded from thieves ; and it gives life and activity to trade by substituting credit for actual coin. But all this is of paper money con- vertible into coin at the will of the holder — not of depreciated paper 476 SPEECHES AKD REPORTS OF JOHN SHERMAN. money. We have had in Ohio a varied experience with paper money, from the wild-cat banks that sprung into existence after the War of 1812, to our State bank system. Still, though we have suffered many losses through bad paper money, yet we may consider it as a closed question in this country that we shall continue to have some form of paper currency. The Republican party cured one defect of our old bank currency, by giving us national money of uniform value through- out the United States, mstead of the local currency of State banks. What we still want is national money readily convertible into gold. Let us examine the reasons why our currency should be made equal to gold. The first and most obvious one is that the United States promises to pay its notes in gold. Here is a dollar bill. It reads. " The United States will pay to the bearer one dollar." What is a dol- lar ? The statutes of the United States declare a dollar to be a coin weighing twenty-five and eight tenths grains of standard gold. Why is this dollar not paid ? Are we unable now, as during the war, to meet this obligation ? It is said that the note does not fix the time of payment. This would be no defense by an individual in a suit at law, for the court would say that such a note is payable on demand, and would compel him to pay. The United States can not be sued, but it ought to be honest ; it ought to observe those rules of honesty which it prescribes for its citizens. Admit that it has the power to say that the time of payment is a question of public policy ; yet a public policy that delays the payment of such an obligation, after the nation is able to pay, seriously impairs the public faith, and sets an evil example. Another reason why these notes should be made equal to gold is that the purchasing power of depreciated paper money depends upon the caprice of speculators, who put its value up or down, according to their whim or interest. Every holder of one of these notes finds its value daily changing. It may be worth twenty-three grains of gold to- day, and to-morrow twenty-two. It is like a variable yard-stick, or a changeable ton. Surely, a promise depending on the faith of a great nation like ours should be as unchangeable as the best gold coin ever issued from the mint. Again, a payment with such a note, to a laborer for his hire, or to a farmer for his grain, is a delusion. The note calls itself a dollar ; it promises a dollar ; the United States promises to pay for it a dollar ; and yet it will only buy as much as will eighty-five cents in real money. Suppose its purchasing power were made eqiial to coin, then the decep- tion would cease. The United States would then have redeemed its promise, and all business transactions would rest upon real values. But it is said that this note is good. So it is — good to pay taxes ; for the taxing power agrees to take it, and the same power "declares that it shall be a legal tender in payment of debts. But would it not be better if it would buy as much wheat and corn and clothing as gold will buy ? It would then be good for all purposes. There is no power in human law to fix its value in gold, or wheat, or labor, or clothing. Its value changes daily. While it is good in the sense that the United States is able to pay it, it is not good in the sense that the United States does pay it according to promise. Governor Allen said, the THE OUEEENOY. 477 otlier day, at Newark, that the United States note and the United States bond rest upon the same basis. So they do, but with this differ- ence — that the bond rests upon a promise duly performed, while the note rests upon a promise not performed. The difference is equal to eighteen per cent, of the value of the note. We wish to place the note-holder upon the same footing as the bond-holder, by making "our promise to one as good as that to the other. The question we have to deal with is, are we now ready to enter upon this policy of honesty, of equality between note-holder and bondholder; this policy of good money, national money, with paper and gold equal, the one to the other ? Now, fellow citizens, what are the objections to this policy ? The first and most obvious objection is that existing debts and contracts, based upon depreciated paper money, would be advanced to the gold standard. If this were done suddenly, without notice or time for pre- paration, it would be wrong ; but, if reasonable time be given, contracts will be adjusted to meet the change. Nearly every one is a creditor as well as a debtor, and debts due you will balance what you owe. The advance toward a specie standard will be so gradual as to be impercep- tible. The fluctuations in the value of paper money have, in a single year, more than equaled the present depreciation, and yet we allow four years for the change. When the notes were first issued all contracts were payable in gold, and the creditor then suffered from a rapid de- preciation of the notes ; but since 1865 there has been a gradual appre- ciation of our currency. By a wise policy we could long since have reached a specie standard, but by reason of this very fear of debtors we have failed to take the proper measures. Ten years have passed away since the close of the war, and still we are fourteen per cent, from the specie standard, and have now been so for five years. Shall this always continue ? Somebody will always be in debt. All existing debts are based upon the knowledge that we must reach a specie standard at some time. Why not now adopt this policy, and give full notice of the time and manner of resumption ? Will debts diminish by postponing im- measurably the time ? We know they will not. Would you attempt the impossible feat of scaling the debt, according to the value of the currency when it was contracted ? This, though often proposed, has as often been rejected as impracticable. The only true policy is to give ample time and notice of resumption, so that debtor and creditor may adjust their obligations, and then steadily to pursue that policy until your United States notes shall be equal to gold ; and this, as I will show you, is the policy now proposed by the Eepublican party. Another objection meets us, whenever we attempt to advance the value of our currency to the gold standard. We are told that specie payments involve a great contraction of the currency, and that a con- traction of the currency will make money scarce, and add to the pres- ent distress. This objection rests upon a fallacy. I deny both the J)remise and the conclusion. It rests upon the fallacy that we can, by aw, fix the amount of currency necessary for the wants of business. From the very nature of a good currency it ebbs and flows, contracts and expands, to meet the demands of trade. If idle, it ought to be redeemed ; if needed for the purchase of productions, it should be 478 SPEECHES AND KEP0RT8 OF JOHN SHERMAN. issued to meet the demand. The only law required to regulate its amount is to provide for the issue of all that can be maintained at par in gold. If it is below par, there is too much. If it can not be readi- ly had in exchange for productions for which there is a demand, then there is too little. Under this rule the great body of our present cir- culation could be maintained at par in gold, and all of the gold now lying idle, and all that is produced by mining, will be added to and mingle with the paper money in daily use. It is so in France, where an aggregate currency of paper money and gold is maintained as large as or larger than ours. It is so in England, where Bank of England notes and gold coin are both in circulation. So it was in specie-paying times in our own country, except that the paper money, being then issued by State authority, was of limited circulation. And now, under our admirable system of United States notes and national-bank notes, both can be maintained in circulation at par with gold, and form a cur- rency as safe and perfect as human ingenuity has ever devised. All labor and productions will then be measured by an unchangeable stand- ard, and all the money will circulate that is necessary to purchase, at the gold standard, every product of human industry. Sometimes it is said that the recent panic was caused by a want of currency, or a contraction of the currency. This is a great error. In September, 1873, when the panic commenced, the amount of United States notes outstanding was $356,000,000, that of fractional currency was $45,000,000, and of bank circulation $339,000,000— in all, $740,000,000, or more than it had ever been before. The panic came with this vast sum afloat, and Secretary Richardson, without au- thority of law, issued $26,000,000 more of United States notes, for the laudable purpose, as he thought, of easing the money market. It near- ly all went into the banks, and there remained in unbroken packages. If flooding a country with currency would prevent a panic, or stop one, here we had the trial. . But it was only like pouring oil upon a fire. It is demonstrable that nearly all panics, except only such as are trace- able to war, famine, or like causes, spring from expanded credits, and, in many cases, from excessive issues of paper money. Over-production is the inevitable result ; improvident contracts, unprofitable entei-prises, and wild speculations, always follow expanded credits, whether by cor- porations, banks, or individuals. Inflation! The very name implies buoyancy, expansion, lightness, destruction ; and alas ! the destruction often falls on those who did not breed the storm. Now that time has given us a full view of the expanded credits and improvident entei^ prises of 1873, we only wonder that the wreck was not more over- whelming and enduring. Surely prudent, sensible men, who will study such financial waves, must conclude that the only remedy is to reduce credits to a substantial basis. A few articles may, for a time, be slow of sale, because there is no demand for thorn, or because there is an over-supply. But this will soon pass away. Industry is gradually re- viving, and now is the time to base our enterprises upon specie-paying money, and upon thi'ift, industry, and economy. But we Rei)ublicans iiru often told that if gold is the standard of value, why was paper money issued at all in excess of the amount that THE OUKEENOY. 479 could be kept at par in gold ? The answer is that it was issued under the overwhelming necessities of a great civil war. I remember well the circumstances connected with the first and with all the succeeding issues of United States notes, and took as effective a part as any one in providing for those issues. It was in February, 1862, after all the banks had suspended specie payments, and when our armies had made no progress, our revenues were cut off by the war, and our expendi- tures were more than $1,000,000 a day, that the first issue was au- thorized. There were then lying on the table of Mr. Chase, Secretary of the Treasury, requisitions for over $80,000,000, with which to pay our soldiers, and to supply them with food, ammunition, and trans- portation. Our bonds could not be sold, for there was no currency with which to pay for them. We had to issue the notes of the United States in the form of currency, and yet as a part of the pubHc debt. The only question was, whether they should be made a legal tender between individuals, in the payment of debts. Upon this point I had clear convictions. I felt that if our soldiers were to be compelled to take these notes as money, we were bound, if we could, to require everybody else to take them as money. We could not leave these notes to the tender mercies of creditors, shavers, and unpatriotic men, who would gladly decry and repudiate them. We therefore made them a legal tender, and the Supreme Court has upheld our power to do so. But we took every precaution to prevent their depreciation. We made them receivable for all internal taxes ; we made them a legal tender in payment of all debts ; and we also made them convertible into bonds, the interest of which was payable in gold, while the duties or taxes on imported goods were made also payable in gold, so that we should have an ample fund in gold to pay the interest on the bonds. After all this, we limited their amount — beyond which we would never go — to four hundred millions. Such was the care and solicitude with which we hedged in the greenbacks; and every dollar of them was issued with the understanding and declared public policy that, after the war was over, they would be redeemed in gold. Thegreat error of our financial policy was in repealing, instead of suspending during the war, the right of each holder, at his wiU, to converThis greenbacks into bonds. But for that repeal they would have been restored, soon after the war, to par in gold. The consequence of this error has been to involve us in the discredit, now, ten years after the war is over, of forcing everybody to take our notes at a depreciation of fourteen per cent., while the United States, with ample means, refuses to redeem them according to the promise printed on their face; and this now involves us in a struggle with the Democratic party, which you are this faU called upon to decide. The Eepublican party issued these notes as a means for the salvation of our country from a Democratic rebellion. The Democratic Eepresentatives then in Congress declared that we had no power to issue notes ; that we had no right to make them a legal tender ; that, if issued, they would depreciate until they were worthless; and that they would be bought by the cord. And now they are trying to make their prophecy good. We, as Eepubli- cans, are now trying, perhaps too carefully and cautiously, to make 480 SPEECHES AND BEP0RT8 OF JOHN SHERMAN. these promises good. We mean to do so. We will do so, not only without sacrificing any business interests, bat so as to promote them. But the Democratic party of Ohio, with the insane folly that has marked its course since the beginning of the war, is bent on reducing our currency to the standard of the old Continental money, of the French assignats, of the wild-cat money of forty years ago, or of the Confederate currency ten years since, when it became utterly value- Now, fellow citizens, I have gone, perhaps at too great length, into some of the more obvious arguments for a restoration of our currency to a gold standard. Let us now examine the precise position taken by the two great parties on this important question. At the first session of the late Congress, in December, 1873, after the panic had, by its resistless progress, swept great enterprises out of existence ; when the demand for iron, and fabrics of iron, and, indeed, for all leading manu- factures had ceased ; when industry, in all its branches, was suffering from paralysis ; then Congress was called upon definitely to face this financial question. AU previous efforts to restore our currency to the gold standard had failed, because of irreconcilable differences of opin- ion, among all parties, and in all sections, as to the measure and method most suitable for this purpose. Then the Committee on Fioance in the Senate reported a resolution, very general in its terms, which said s that it was the duty of Congress to take definite action to restore our currency to the gold standard. This led to a debate memorable, at least, for its length, but with practically no result, and Congress ad- journed without adopting any definite financial policy. This was the first time in its history that the Eepiiblican party ever failed to grapple with the issue of the hour. It went into the canvass last fall, divided in its counsels and silent, when it should have spoken. The result was our defeat, and the restoration of the Democratic party to power in the House of Kepresentatives, with some eighty Confederate officers among them to represent the Lost Cause. When Congress met at its last session, this severe defeat had at least one good effect, in convinc- ing its Republican members that a party charged with the administra- tion of the Government must be able to agree upon the most pressing question of the time. The result was that, after the most careful de- liberation, after the freest exchange of opinions, after mutual conces- sions by Republicans of differing views. Congress did pass a law which does definitely declare a public policy, and which provides ample means to restore our currency to the gold standard by the 1st day oi Januarv, 1879. As I reported this law, advocated it, voted for it, and now heartily defend and approve it, I may still be allowed to say that it does not prescribe all the agencies and means which I would have selected to bring about tlio resultiaimed at. I do not conceal from you my firm conviction that tho true policy was gradually to fund United States notes, until the residue of thom were at par with gold. The bank notes, being redeemable in United States notes, would also arise to par at the same time. A declared policy of this kind, boldly pursued, would not, in my opinion, have reduced in any considerable degree the THE OUKRENOT. 481 volume of the currency, but would have added gold and silver to it, and would have inspired such confidence as at once to start again into activity many industries now languishing and depressed. But many good Kepublieans thought otherwise, and we therefore agreed to post- pone actual resumption until January 1, 1879, except in so far as it would be indirectly promoted by the circulation of silver coins and the preparations which the Secretary of the Treasury was fully authorized to make in anticipation of resumption at the time stated. "While, therefore, this law does not fully meet my views, every provision of it tends in the right direction. Leading editors, forming hasty conclu- sions, have declared it a sham ; but they often have occasion to revise their opinions, and some of them have done so as to this law. Though remote as to time of operation, yet, if the duties enjoined by this law on the Secretary of the Treasury are performed, we shall, at the time fixed, as sure as fate, have United States notes and bank notes advanced to par with gold. The Republican convention of Ohio, in their second resolution, declare, " That a policy of finance be steadily pursued, which, without unnecessary shock to business or trade, will ultimately equalize the purchasing capacity of the coin and paper dollar." The same policy has been declared by every Eepublican State convention held this year ; so that we may now announce, as the fixed policy of the Republican party, a steady march toward specie payments, and no step backward. What is the position of the Democratic party on this question? When the Finance Bill was pending in December last, the objection made by the Democratic Senators was that it would not accomplish resumption soon enough. My colleague. Judge 'thurman, was quite facetious about our caution and timidity. Senator Bayard made a strong speech against it, because it did not provide at once for a con- traction of the currency. Every Democratic Senator and Representa- tive voted against it; some wishing to repeal the legal-tender act, others desiring resumption in July, 1876, and all denouncing our slow progress toward specie payments. But now, " presto, change ! " they are in favor of more money. Judge Thurman is muzzled — allowed to appear only before selected audiences — and my old friend Sam Gary is let loose to lead this new cry of more money. Well, more money is a pretty good cry, for we all want money ; but it is not by such a party cry as this that an intelligent people will be led to approve the issue of more and more of a depreciated paper currency, in defiance of the warnings of experience, of reason, of law, and of public honor. Before reading this new Democratic gospel, let me invite the atten- tion of my Democratic hearers to the attitude in which that old his- toric party now presents itself. If there was anything which was definite in its old-time policy it was " hard money " — the " money of the Constitution " — " money that jingles." Even during the war, when the issue of paper money was vital, there was something manly in its opposition to it. But now, when the Republican party seeks to make this currency equal in value to " hard money," the Democratic party, in Convention assembled, forgetting its traditions and former teachings, demands more money, more depreciated money ; no limit, no restric- tion, no provision for its payment, no specie standard. Can you see 31 4S2 SPEECHES AND REPORTS OF JOHN SHERMAN. anything in this but sheer demagogism ; base trifling with your inter- ests ; the vain hope that in a time of temporary depression you will forget all the teachings of history, and vote them into power ? Is the Democratic party of to-day the same party which, by its boldness and courage under Jackson, secured the confidence of its supporters and the respect of its adversaries ? No, sir. Ever since the Kepublican party came into power, the Democratic party has been on this as on every other question of public policy, including every measure for the prose- cution of the war, simply an opposition party, a party of negation, pro- S)osing no definite measure, and unable to agree upon any affirmative egislation. And now, on this vital question, the "World " denounces the "-Enquirer," and the " Enquirer " denounces the " World," while Governor AUen is made to ride upon a platform which is in contradic- tion to every expressed sentiment of his life. Now, fellow citizens, that I may do no injustice, I puroose to read to you the eighth, ninth, tenth, eleventh, and twelfth planks of the Democratic platform, which present the governing issues of this canvass, and to expose, as well as I am able, the eiTors of fact and of argument contained in them. The eighth resolution I will now read : Eighth — That the contraction of the currency heretofore made by the Repub- lican party, and the further contraction proposed by it, with a view to the forced resumption of specie payment, have ah-eady brought disaster to the business of the country, and threaten it with general bankruptcy and ruin. We demand that this policy be abandoned, and that the volume of the currency be made and kept equal to the wants of trade, leaving the restoration of legal tenders to par with gold to be brought about by promoting the industries of the people, and not by destroying • them. This resolution commences with a perversion of fact. "Wlien did the Republican party contract the currency of the country ? That party devised and brought into existence our present paper currency, both of United States notes and national-bank notes. The maximum of United States notes was fixed in 1864 at four hundred millions of dollars. The only reduction or contraction of these notes was made by Secretary McCulloch, under the administration of Andrew Johnson, when the Treasury notes were gradually reduced from four hundred to three hundred and fifty-six millions. This reduction of the cur- rency was suspended by the act of Congress of February 4, 1868. The vohime of United States notes then remained until October, 1ST3, at three hundred and fifty-six millions, when Secretary Richardson, as before stated, issued twenty-six millions more, making a total of three hundred and eighty-two millions. During all the time, however, since March, 1865, there has been a steady increase of the fractional currency and national-bank notes ; so that, instead of a contraction, there has been a steady expansion of the currency. As I stated before, there was more paper currency outstanding at the moment the panic came upon us than ever before ; and, with the vain hope of stopping the panic, Mr. Richardson issued twenty-six millions more of United States notes. It is true, as Mr. Pendleton stated at Gallipolis, that, during tlio war, Treasury notes of various forms, compound-interest notes and time bills, all bearing interest and convertible into bonds, were issued. But these did not form any pai't of the currency, but were held for the THE CURRENOY. 483 aceruing interest ; and they were all retired by Mr. McOuUocli, and before General Grant came into power. So that all this cry about the contraction of the currency is untrue. But the Democratic party says that a further contraction of the currency is now pi'oposed, with a view to a forced resumption of spe- cie payments. Well, gentlemen, the finance bill of last session pro- vides for free banking, so that all men who want more money, and can give security for its payment, may have it. In that event United States notes are to be redeemed to the extent of eighty per cent, only of the bank notes issued, thus issuing five dollars and withdrawing four.* Banks may also, at their pleasure, retire their circulating notes. Now, we have had within a few days an official statement from the Compti'oUer of the Currency, showing the actual operation of the law. Since its passage circulating notes have been issued, to new and old banks, to the amount of $7,T85,525, and $6,228,420 of United States notes have been withdrawn, leaving an increase of the currency of over $1,500,000. But there has been a reduction of the currency by the voluntary surrender by national banks of their circulation, to an amount greater than this increase. The reduction of United States notes de- pends upon the issuing of new bank currency, and this is the weakness of that law, and for which we were denounced by Democratic Senators and newspapers last winter ; and now Governor Allen and Mr. Pen- dleton denounce us for doing what we did not do. They say that this contraction brought disaster to the business of the country. But as the disaster came in 18T3, when there had been no contraction what- ever, but an actual and steady expansion of all forms of paper money and credit, it is conclusive that the panic was not caused by contrac- tion. Tt was the failure to contract, and the continued expansion of paper credits, which led to the wild enterprises, the forced produc- tion, and the sudden collapse, which involved the innocent with the guilty in wide destruction. Fellow citizens, there is no delusion of human nature that has been more injurious in its effects upon the hap- piness of mankind than has that which seeks to build prosperity upon broken promises, upon depreciated paper money, and upon the wild speculations engendered by them. How often must bur race be taught that there is no sure basis for substantial wealth but industry, honesty, prudence, and economy ? But what does the Democratic party propose ? " That the volume of currency be made and kept equal to the wants of trade." Who shall fix that volume ? What caucus could regulate the amount ? What Congress shall decree it ? What shall be its standard of value ? Shall it be coal lands at $1,000 an acre, or gold at twenty-five and eight tenths grains to a dollar ? Shall it be enough to fioat the ISTorth- ern Pacific Railroad into premature birth? How, then, will you measure your daily toil ? How the price of your wheat — the fruit of hard labor and solid acres ? If you get your pay in gold, or in money steadily approaching the gold standard, you know what it wiU buy ; but if its value and volume have no fixed basis, and are to fluctuate to meet somebody's notions of the wants of trade, you wiU be exchang- ing your labor, your grain, your coal and iron, for money. 484: SPEECHES AND REPORTS OF JOHN SHERMAN. " as variable as the shade By the light, quivering aspen made." Now, if this resolution read, " that the volume of paper money, always redeemable in gold and silver, shall be equal to the wants of trade," it would be all right ; we should then have a standard of value. But the resoliition, as it stands, is the most transparent demagogism. It would be as if the merchant should regulate the length of his yard- stick by the necessities of his purse ; as if the coal and iron man should regulate the weight of their ton by the amount of their debts ; as if the farmer were to reduce the number of pounds in a bushel of wheat so as to Obtain the same number of bushels, whether the crop is* good or bad. It is this palpable fallacy which dismisses from a dollar the attribute of fixed, intrinsic measure and value, into which Governor Allen has fallen at Gallipolis, and which misleads many an honest man, and has caused many of the wrecks that mark the history of hu- man error. But our Democratic platform-makers, recalling the old Democratic ideas about gold, tell us that they are in favor of leaving the restora- tion of legal tenders to par with gold to be brought about by promoting the industries of the people, and not by destroying them. How do they propose to promote your industries ? Is it by protecting them, and building up your manufactories ? Oh, no. They tell you plainly that, in framing their tariff laws, they will look only to the revenue they can get from you, and not to the benefit they can confer upon you. What then? Echo answers, what? "What did the Democratic party do for thirty years to promote the interests of labor ? Nothing but for the labor of slaves. It is to the Republican party that you owe your homestead law — the policy that has made us a nation of free men. It is to the Republican party you owe the protection of your labor, and the creation of the very currency which the Democratic party seeks to destroy. What party now threatens a reaction against all the measures of the war ? What party has formed a coalition against your common- school system, and only awaits a favorable time to carry it out i But they tell you that they will restore your legal tenders to par in gold. When ? If not now, why not three years hence ? Why not, my fellow citizens, support the Republican policy ? It needs no argument to convince you that the men who framed the Democratic platform have no intention to restore the gold standard except through repudiation. That is their process. The "wants of trade," as construed by them, will lead, step by step, into inflation, feneral bankruptcy, and repudiation. Judge Thurman was right when e said in the Senate, in 1874, that if this policy were adopted he should not live to see again in circulation good old Democratic money — gold and silver. The war for American Independence, and its grim neces- sities, drove our Revolutionary fathers into this policy ; and so with France in the throes of her revolutionary stmggles : and in both cases the currency was repudiated as worthless. Now, after our war is hap- pily over, and all its hard sacrifices have been crowned with success, and wlien we are on the plain road to a specie standard, we are asked, in the name of the " demands of trade," to adopt the same policy, to THE CUEEENOY. 485 issue more money without any plan of redemption, on the promise of the Democratic party that, at some time, it may be, they will restore it to par in gold, " by promoting the industries of the people." For one, fellow citizens, I shall want a more specific guarantee, as well as a bet- ter guarantor than the Democratic party. We, the Eepublicans, who are responsible to our country and to mankind for the redemption of the promises contained in these greenback notes, must see to their re- demption, and not turn over to our adversaries this last remaining duty of our great conflict. France, our old Eevolutionary friend, has re- cently set us a noble example, by resuming specie payments, after her unsuccessful war with Germany, and after suffering greater sacrifices than we did ; and it is admitted that her industries are now more pros- perous than ever before in her long history. These shadowy fears, which, in the minds, of business men, sometimes cloud the pathway of duty, will disappear by a steady adherence to the Republican policy. The next resolution of the Democratic platform to which I wish to call your attention is the ninth : Ninth — That the policy already initiated by the Republican party, of abolishing legal tenders and giving national banks the power to furnish all the currency, will increase the power of an already dangerous monopoly, and the enormous burdens now oppressing tlje people, without any compensating advantage; and that we op- pose to this policy tlie demand that all the national-bank circulation be promptly and permanently retired, and legal tenders be issued in their place. The substance of this resolution is that the national banks shall be promptly destroyed, and that the greenback circulation shall be at the same time increased to $710,000,000. Before examining this startling proposition, let us dispose of some of the errors of fact contained in the resolution. It is not true that the Eepublican party proposes to abolish the legal tenders, or to give to the national banks the entire circulation of the country. This is a question of the future, upon which parties have not yet taken their position, and concerning which, no doubt, differences of opinion will arise. The Kepublican party has taken the position that, by the 1st of January, 1879, both legal tenders and na- tional-bank notes shall be redeemable in gold, when demanded. To this extent, and no further, have they taken a position. For one, I am free to say that, while our public debt exists, I am for maintaining in circulation the tjnited States notes to the full amount at which they can be maintained at par in gold, and no more ; and I am convinced that such notes, payable on demand in coin, or, at the option of the Government, in a fixed bond, which, in the money market, is usually at par in gold, would keep in circulation all or nearly all of the present volume of United States notes. But, should it not, there is no reason in the world why the Govern- ment ought not to pay interest on a debt which it is not prepared to pay in coin ; and, with such notes, it is immaterial whether they are or are not a legal tender. To guard against the sudden effects of a panic, I would leave them a legal tender ; but these are my individual views only, often expressed and sincerely entertained. Upon this question, however, the Republican party has taken no position, nor ought it to do so until after resumption. 486 SPEE0I-IE8 AND EEPOETS OF JOHN SHERMAN. As to the national banks, they are entirely in the power of Con- gress. We can repeal the law oi their creation, but would it be wise to do so ? They are denounced as a monopoly, but this is now untrue. For a time, after the limit fixed by law for national-bank circulation was reached, they were in one sense a monopoly ; but since the act of last winter banking is as free as blacksmithing, or iron-making, or mer- chandising, and freer than the making of lawyers, or of doctors, or preachers. Any set of five or more men may start a bank in any part of the United States, on the terms, conditions, and responsibilities fixed by the banking law. Over 2,000 banks have been authorized, and are scattered all over the United States. They have loaned of their own money, or of that deposited Avith them, $950,000,000, and this consti- tutes a large part of the active capital upon which the manufacturing, commercial, and mining industries of the country rests. They are the principal agents for the deposit and exchange of money, not only in the United States, but with foreign nations. Their business reaches among and interlaces with that of every citizen of the United States. They are private corporations ; the Government has nothing to do with them except to make them pay taxes and obey the laws. These laws are very strict, requiring from them reports under oath, and subjecting them to frequent examinations at unexpected times, and maintaining over them the strictest surveillance. The only privilege these banks enjoy which the humblest citizen does not is, that, by giving ample security in United States bonds, they may issue a certain proportion of circulating notes. They pay the expenses of printing these notes ; re- deem them promptly on demand with lawful money of the United States ; keep money in the Treasury of the United States for that pur- pose ; while their notes are not a legal tender, and nobody is bound to take them. When this is all done, we require them to keep on hand a large reserve in cash ; we tax them all ; the States tax them, and the counties and towns do the same, so that their aggregate taxes are now $20,000,000. These are the national banks. They were organized by the Repub- lican party to take the place of the State banks — a mongrel crew, under no common authority, obeying no law, giving, in some States, no secu- rity, and issuing bills easily counterfeited and of limited circulation. Under the national-bank law there can be no successful counterfeit- ing ; the notes are secured beyond the possibility of loss, for the bank may break, but the note is good ; and they pass without question any- where in the United States. The banks are organized for twenty years ; yet the law can be repealed. But business, in some branches, 18 languid. Debts are hard to pay and hard to collect. Everybody is trying to save a little in expenses, and to make a little more crop. And now a set of men, self-iippointed, calling themselves a Democratic Con- vention — a State Convention, remember, not a National Convention — meets at Columbus, and resolves that all this system of national banks, interwoven with the business of the whole people of the United States, shall be promptly torn up ; that this vast indebtedness of the people to the banks shall bo immediately paid ; and that all the bonds of the United States now held by these banks shall be forced upon the mar- THE OUEEENOY. 487 ket ; and that the United States shall then issue its legal-tender notes to the additional amount of three hundred and fifty millions. Such is the financial programme of the Ohio Democrats, to give relief to the business interests of the country. Is there any business man who hears me who does not know that such a measure, if adopted, would utterly destroy the country's industries ? Let us examine this proposition a little further. The first difficulty to be encountered is, that the issue of the greenbacks in excess of four hundred millions would be a plain and palpable violation of the public faith. In 1864 the United States solemnly engaged that the volume of legal-tender notes should never exceed the sum of four hundred mil- lions ; and this pledge has been several times repeated, and is the sacred barrier which has alone maintained the purchasing power of the green- backs at the present rate. Again, the validity of the legal-tender act was sustained by the Supreme Court on the sole ground that it was the exercise of the war- making powers of Congress, held to be essential to the national exist- ence ; and yet, even on this ground, it was sustained but by a bare _ majority only of that court. Who believes, for a moment, that the validity of legal-tender notes would be sustained by that court if issued in a time of profound peace, in violation of the public faith, and as a part of a policy designed to maintain in perpetuity an irredeemable currency ? Again, for what purpose could the United States issue these notes 1 Would it be to purchase the bonds of the Government now held as. security for bank notes ? Those bonds are the property of the banks, and could only be purchased, like other bonds, in the open market, at a large premium. This premium would rapidly advance as the irre- deemable notes were issued. How long would this process continue before these platform-makers would assert the right to pay the bonds in greenbacks, and thus again violate the public faith, pledged, by the act of .March, 1869, to strengthen the public credit ? Or, would they loan the greenbacks to the people, as the bank notes are now loaned, and thus convert the Government into a bank, not only of loan, but of. discount? It is idle to follow further the evil consequences and dan- ferous effects of the Democratic policy announced in these resolutions, 'heir end would be utter bankruptcy and ruin. But what good do they hope to accomplish ? They wiU answer that they desire to save the interest on the notes now issued by the banks. They want the Government to have the profit of issuing notes for cir- culation. In gaining this they would violate the public faith ; they would lose all the taxes now received from the national banks ; and would utterly destroy all ideas of fixed values. The profit derived from this circulation has been over-estimated — so much so that now more circulation is being retired by banks than is issued to them. The privilege is now open to all, and yet it is not generally taken. If the Government were to assume the sole and exclusive privilege of issuing these notes, it could not engage in the business transactions by which alone that privilege can be made profitable, and the business public would lose the benefit of discounts and loans. 4:88 SPEECHES AND REPORTS OF JOHN SHERMAN. But the real motive lies back of all this. These men want more money, more money ; not real money, but depreciated paper money — cheap money, becoming cheaper and cheaper as more is issued, making it easier to pay debts. But will a dollar of this money buy what a dol- lar of gold, or even a dollar of paper money, will now buy? We know it will not. It will depreciate, even in greater proportion, as its volume increases. Your grain, your iron and coal, may bring you more money than you now receive, but the money received will buy less than now, and you will be constantly cheated by a false weight and a false standard. How strange it is that human experience, so often repeated, does not stamp upon the mind of every human being the truth proclaimed by Webster, acted upon by Jefferson and Jack- son, and which lies at the foundation of the laws of currency : that, of all the contrivances for cheating the laboring glasses of mankind, none has been more effectual than that which deludes them with de- preciated paper money ! Ordinary tyranny, oppression, excessive taxa^ tion — these bear lightly on the happiness of the mass of the commu- nity, when compared with a fraudulent currency, and the robberies committed thereby. Now, fellow citizens, to return once more to the national banks, which the Ohio Democrats propose at once to destroy. I need not re- mind you that, next to Mr. Chase, then Secretary of the Treasury, I had as much to do with the passage of the national bank act as any one ; and yet I regarded it as an experiment, and chiefly supported it as a means of driving out of existence the heterogeneous multitude of State banks that, during the war, threatened to overwhelm us with paper money of limited circulation and no security. The national banking system has proved, on the whole, to be a great success. Mr. McCulloch, in his report as Secretary of the Treasury in ISC 7, care- fully reviewed the whole system ; and I refer my Democratic friends to that report for some wholesome reading. Since he wrote, the bank- ing system has been improved by making it free, and by providing for the prompt redemption by each bank of its notes, at the Treasury of the United States. The national banks have yet to bear the test of coin redemption. When the United States notes shall have advanced to par in gold, the banks must redeem their notes at par in gold. If, then, experience shall show that this system will furnish to the people, through local banks, circulating notes which shall be freely convertible into gold, then the Republican party will stand by it. If not, that party will modify or dispense with it. And, in dealing with this ques- tion, I trust that the Republican party will do as it has done with other great problems of human government which it has successfully solved, acting with moderation and wise statesmanship, and relying upon the intelligence of an educated people, rather than upon that spirit of blind demagogiBin which has plainly led to the adoption of this ninth resolu- tion. There is one other financial plank in the Democratic platform that is easily disposed of. I will read it : Tenth — That tho public interest demands that the Government shonld cease to discredit its own cnrrenoy, and should make its legal tenders receivable for all THE CUKRENOY. 489 public dues, except where respect for the obligation of contracts requires payment in coin, and that we favor the payment of at least one half of the customs in legal tenders. This resolution, apparently plausible, not only involves grave errors of fact, but is ridiculous in its logic. It says that the Government should cease to discredit its own currency, and yet the Democratic party does not propose to pay it. I suppose that the utmost discredit that can be put on any currency or any promise to pay is to refuse to redeem it. The same platform which thus reproaches us for discredit- ing our currency proposes to issue three hundred and fifty millions more of it, when every note is a broken promise, and every additional issue will cause a further depreciation. But consistency can scarcely be expected in a Democratic platform. The adoption of this proposi- tion would reduce our duties on imported goods to an extent equal to one half of the discount of our paper money, when compared with gold, or at this^time about seven per cejit. Now, as a revenue measure this is certainly a bad one, when our present income is barely sufficient to meet our expenditures. But a still graver objection to this resolu- tion exists. By the law as it now stands, passed in February, 1862, and upon which every bond of the United States now outstanding was issued — the very foundation of our public credit — it was provided : Section 5. That all duties on imported goods shall be paid in coin, . . . and the coin so paid shall be set apart as a special fund, and shall be applied as follows : 1. To the payment in coin of the interest on the bonds and notes of the United States. 2. To the purchase and payment of one per centum of the entire debt of the "United States, to be made within each iiscal year after 1863, which is to be set apart as a sinking fund, and the interest of which shall in like manner go to the purchase or payment of the public debt. 3. The residue thereof to be paid into the Treasury of the United States. Now, fellow citizens, under this law the United States has acted, and is compelled to act until the public debt shall be paid. Under it all duties on imported goods are paid in gold, and these duties now yield us a revenue of about $160,000,000 in gold. This money is mortgaged to the public creditors, and we dare not violate that pledge at the cost of national dishonor. Of this money, something over $100,000,000 a year is required to pay the interest on your public debt. Over $30,- 000,000 is required for what is called the sinking fund, for the gradual redemption of the debt. We have other expenditures which must be paid in gold — such as our foreign intercourse, and our navy, wlien abroad. This wiU leave, perhaps, $25,000,000 to $30,000,000 of gold, which is paid into the Treasury, and is sold for United States notes, and the proceeds used for current expenditures. Now, this resolution demands that this gold, thus sacredly pledged, shall be diverted, in vio- lation of your public faith. And for what ? To reduce the duties or taxes on foreign goods seven per cent. ! No language is strong enough to denounce such a policy. A small portion of this fund, about twenty- five millions, may be used for any proper purpose of expenditure ; and therefore Judge Thurman, last winter, proposed to receive one fifth of the customs duties in currency. But even this was opposed, on the ground that it would impair the trust fund, and as against public policy. 490 SPEE0I-IE8 AND REPORTS OF JOHN SHERMAN. Senator Bayard, of Delaware, a leading Democrat, took strong g-ound against it, and it was overwhelminfflv defeated. Now the Ohio Demo- crats propose to surrender one half of our gold revenue, to dishonor our pledges, and to drive the Secretary of the Treasury into the market to buy gold mth which to pay the interest ; and all to lower the duties that yield our revenues and protect our industries. The eleventh resolution in this platform is only important in that it promises you, in place of your national banks, a system of free banks of discount and deposit ; in other words, broker-shops. No doubt these are a great blessing, but I think we have now enough of them. At all events, we have now in every State the right to go into the brokerage business, free from all restraints ; and we need not place the Demo- cratic party in power for the purpose of gaining this great blessing. The only other financial plank in this platform is very brief : Twelfth — A tariff for the sole purpose of revenue. This resolution is a blow at that system of tariff laws which had its origin in Washington's administration, and has been continued ever since, varied in details, but retained in principle, and strengthened and improved by the Republican party ; and which, while looking to im- ported goods as the chief source of Federal revenue, also regards the fostering and protection of domestic industry as a national object, in- cident to all revenue laws, and deserving of the most considerate and favorable care. If that be the meaning of the resolution, we accept the issue promptly. "We do seek, while levying taxes, not only to make their operation as light and just as possible, but also to advance our own industry without impairing the sources of revenue. In this sense we are for the protection of American industry, and proudly point to the vast development of our home manufactures as the result of Republi- can policy. I do not think it necessary, before you, to enter into the common arguments that have been made upon this subject, for I know you are familiar with them. I have always regarded a tariff law as a subject, not of political dispute, but for the application of good, com- mon sense in the adjustment of the details — applying the higher duties to articles of luxury, fair average duties on articles that come into com- petition with our own industries, and low duties, or none at all, on those of common necessity, which either can not be economically produced here, or enter as raw articles into our domestic manufactures. In pass- ing such a tariff, we do look to something else than the mere money we wring from our people as taxes. Take this whole financial platform of the Democratic party, and it opens up to you the most dangerous errors, the M-ildest demagogism, the greatest departure not only from fundamental principles of public policy, Ijut from cherished principles of the Democratic party. We already hear the voice of remonstrance, the cry of alarm from all parts of the United States. The question is, What will they do with it i Governor Allen, much to the surprise of some of his friends, readily yields his old convictions, and, if I understand his speeches at Newark and Gallipolis, adopts the wliolo platform. Many of the Deiriocratic papers, however, openly repudiate it. The Democratic THE OUEEENOY. 491 editor in the city in whicli I live, and who is in every respect a very excellent man, rejects the platform and supports Grovernor Allen in his hard-money records of forty years ago. But, fellow citizens, poKti- cal contests are not decided by candidates, editors, or office-holders ; it is by the quiet, intelligent judgment of moderate men, who sensibly weigh questions of public policy, and who are above party dictation. It is this body of independent men who give the ebb and flow to party politics in Ohio ; it is to them I appeal with confidence, to give their seal of condemnation to the dangerous doctrines contained in the Dem- ocratic platform. To my Eepublican associates I can speak with confidence and hope. "We have a State ticket every name on which must command your sin- cere respect. We have a platform that speaks no uncertain sound, and meets our approbation. We are united on the wise and moderate financial policy which has hitherto guided our party and sustained the public faith and the public credit, which has given us ample means to carry on a great war and build up our industries, and which has now for the first time provided for us a safe national currency, needing only one attribute to make it perfect, while now we are agreed on a slow and steady progress to make that currency equal to gold. What more do we want, my Republican friends, than to march forward with unity, confidence, and strength? You may here and there find men who falter or discover faults to criticise ; your officers and agents may fail ; but your cause is good and your work is honorable — not free from faults, but better than that of any party that preceded it. See, now, this broad country of ours. United we stand. Many of our ancient enemies now glory in our success. The prayers of four millions of freedmen rise perpetually to Almighty God for the Repub- lican party. Great names adorn our history, written there by us. Memorable events for fifteen years have lifted our coimtry from a con- federacy of discordant States — left by a Democratic administration to the chances of civil war — to the position of a nation of the highest rank, destined to mold a continent and to guide a world to free msti- tutions. Let us not apologize to our adversaries for the faults that are human, nor examine with a microscope the failings of friends. If only the great objects we have sought, the good measures we have accomplished, and the policy marked out for us are, on the whole, wiser and better than are proposed by our adversaries, then our path of duty is with the Republican party. Inspire it, if you please, with better principles, with higher aims, and by a good example ; but rest assured that you must rely upon that party for any progress that is made in framing or executing good laws. Andj fellow citizens, you who have at any time acted with the Republican party, during the war or since the war, and from whatever cause have been dissatisfied with the party to which you belonged, let us come together again. We have for- given the rebels ; let us forgive each other, iam liberal enough to confess that the Republican party has committed some errors. And I am Republican enough to know that its history, its principles, its policy, and its tendencies give us the best assurance for an honest and able administration of the National and State Governments. 492 SPEECHES AND REPORTS OF JOHN SHERMAN. NATIONAL FINANCES— SPECIE PAYMENTS. IN TEE SENATE, MARCH 6, 1876. On the motion to refer the resolutions of the Chamber of Commerce of the State of New York, relative to the national finances, and in favor of the resumption of specie payments, at the time now provided by law, Mr. Sherman said : Me. President : I have taken the unusual course of arresting the reference to the Committee on Fmance of the memorial of the Cham- ber of Commerce of New York in order to discuss in an impersonal and non-partisan way one of the questions presented by that memorial, and one which now fills the public mind and must necessarily soon occupy our attention. That question is, " Ought the resumption act of 1875 to be repealed ?" The memorial strongly opposes such repeal, while other memorials, and notably those from the Boards of Trade of New York and Toledo, advocate it. These opposing views are sup- ported in each House of Congress, and will, when our time is more occupied than now, demand our vote. And, sir, we are forced to consider this question when the law it is proposed to repeal is only commencing to operate, now, three years before it can have full effect — during all of which time its operation will be under your eye and within your power — and while the passions of men are heated by a presidential combat, when a grave question, affecting the interests of every citizen of the United States, will be in- fluenced by motives entirely foreign to the merits of the proposition. And the question presented is not as to the best means of securing the resumption of a specie standard, but solely whether the only mea- sure that promises that result shall be repealed. "We know there is a wide and honest diversity of opinion as to the agency and means to secure a specie standard. When any practicable scheme to that end is proposed I am ready to examine it on its merits ; but we are not con- sidering the best mode of doing the thing, but whether instead we will recede from the promise made by the law as it stands, as well as refuse all means to execute that promise. If the law is deficient in any respect it is open to amendment. If the powei-s vested in the Secre- tary are not sufficient, or you wish to*limit or enlarge them, he is your servant, and you have but to speak and he obeys. It is not whether we will accumulate gold or greenbacks or convert our notes into bonds, nor whether the time to resume is too early or too late. All these are subjects of legislation. But the question now is whether we will or will not repudiate the legislative declaration, made in the act of 1875, to redeem the promise made and printed on the face of every United States note, a promise made in the midst of war, when our nation M'as struggling for existence, a promise renewed in March, 1809, in the most unequivocal language, and finally, by the act of 1875, made spe- cific as to time. And let us not deceive ourselves by supposing that those who oppose this repeal are in favor of a purely metallic currency, to the exclusion of paper currency, for all intelligent men agree that every great com- NATIONAL FINANCES— SPECIE PAYMENTS. 493 y mercial nation must have both : the one as the standard of value by which all things are measured, which daily measures your bonds and notes as it measures wheat, cotton, and land ; and the other as a paper or credit currency, which, from its convenience of handling or transfer, must be the medium of exchanges in the great body of the business of life. Statistics show that in commercial countries a large proportion of all transfers is by book accounts and notes, and more than nine tenths of all the residue of payments is by checks, drafts, and such paper tools of exchange. Of the vast business done in I^ew York and London, not five per cent, is done with either paper money, or gold or silver, but by the mere balancing of accounts, or exchange of credits. And this will be so whether your paper money is worth forty per cent, or one hundred per cent, in gold. The only question is, whether in using paper money we will or will not have that which is as good as it prom- ises — as good as that of Great Britain, France, or Germany, as good as coin issued from your mints — or whether we will or will not content ourselves with depreciated paper money, worth ten per cent, less than it promises, every dollar of which daily tells your constituents that the United States is not rich enough to pay more than ninety per cent, on the dollar for its three hundred and seventy millions of promises to pay, or that you have not courage enough to stand by your promise to make the payment. !Nor are we to decide whether our paper money shall be issued di- rectly by the Government or by banks created by the Government ; nor whether at a future time the legal-tender quality of United States notes shall continue. I am one of those who believe that a United States note issued directly by the Government and convertible on demand into gold coin, or a Government bond equal in value to gold, is the best currency we can adopt ; that it is to be the currency of the future, not only in the United States, but in Great Britain as well ; and that such a currency might properly continue to be a legal tender except where there is a specific stipulation for coin. But these are not the questions we are to deal with. It is whether the promise of the law, that the United States shall pay such of its notes as are presented on and after the 1st day of January, 1879, in coin, shall or shall not be fulfilled; and whether the national banks will or will not, at the same time, redeem their notes either in coin or in United States notes made equal to coin; or whether the United States shall or shall not revoke its promise and continue for an indefi- nite period to force upon the people a depreciated currency, always below the legal standard of gold, and fluctuating daily in its deprecia- tion as Congress may threaten or promise, or speculators may hoard, or comer, or throw out your broken promises. It is the turning-point in our financial history, which will seriously affect the life of individuals and the fate of parties, but, more than all, the honor and good faith of our country. At the beginning of our national existence, our ancestors boldly and hopefully assumed the burden of a great national debt, formed of the debts of the old confederation and of the States that composed it ; and, with a scattered population and feeble resources, they honestly met and 494 SPEECHES AND REPORTS OF JOHN SHERMAN. paid, in good solid coin, every obligation. After the war of 1812, which exhausted our resources, destroyed our commerce, and greatly increased our obligations, a Republican administration boldly funded our debt, placed its currency upon the coin basis, promptly paid its interest, and reduced the principal ; and within twenty years after that war was over, under the first Democratic President, it paid the debt in coin, both principal and interest, to the last dollar. And now, eleven years after a greater war, of grander proportions, in which not merely foreign domination threatened us, but the very existence of our nation was at stake, and after our cause has been blessed with unexampled success, with a country teeming with wealth, with our credit equal to that of any nation, we are debating whether we will or will not redeem our promises according to their legal tenor and effect, or, instead, to attempt their repeal and cancellation. I invoke in the consideration of this question the example of those who won our independence and preserved it to us, that it may inspire us to so decide this question that those who come after us may point to our example of standing by the public faith now solemnly pledged, even though to do so may not run current with the temporary pressure of the hour or may entail on us some sacrifice and hardship. What then is the law it is proposed to repeal ? I will state its pro- visions fully in detail ; but the main proposition — the essential core of the whole — ^is the promise to which the public faith is pledged, that the United States will, on and after the 1st day of January, 1879, re- deem in gold coin any of its notes that may be presented to the Trea- sury. Tuis is the vital object of the law. It does not undertake to settle the nature of our paper money after that, whether it shall or shall not be reissued again, whether it shall or shall not thereafter be a legal tender, nor whether it shall or shall not supersede bank notes. All this is purposely left to the future. But it does say that, on and after that day, the United States note promising to pay one doUar shall be equal to the gold dollar of the Mint. The questions then arise : 1. Ought this promise to be performed ? 2. Can we perform it ? 3. Are the agencies and measures prescribed in the law sufficient for the purpose ? 4. If not, what additional measures should be provided ? Let US consider these questions in their order with all serious delib- eration that their conceded importance demands. And first, ought this promise to be fulfilled ? To answer this we must fully understand the legal and moral obli- gations contained in the notes of the United States. The purport of the note is as follows : The United States promises to pay the bciu'or one dolliu'. Tills note is a promise to pay one dollar. The legal effect of this note has been announced by the unanimous opinion of the Supreme Court of the United States, the highest and final judicial authority in our Government. NATIONAL FINANCES— SPECIE PAYMENTS. 495 The legal-tender attribute, given to the note, has been the subject of conflicting decisions in that court, but the nature and purport of it is not only plain on its face, but is concurred in by every judge of that court and by every judicial tribunal before which that question has been presented. In the case of Bank m. Supervisors, 7 "Wallace, 31, Chief Justice Chase says : But, on the other hand, it is equally clear that these notes are obligations of the United States. Their name imports obligation. Every one of them expresses npon its face an engagement of the nation to pay to the bearer a certain sum. The dol- lar note is an engagement to pay a dollar, and the dollar intended is the coined dol- lar of the United States, a certain quantity in weight and fineness of gold or silver, authenticated as such by the stamp of the Government, No other dollars had be- fore been recognized by the legislation of the National Government as lawful money. Again, in the case of Bronson vs. Rhodes, 7 "Wallace, 251, Chief Justice Chase says : The note dollar was the promise to pay a coined dollar. In the legal-tender cases, 12 "Wallace, 560, Justice Bradley says : It is not an attempt to coin money out of a valueless material, like the coinage of leather, or ivory, or cowry shells. It is a pledge of the national credit. It is a promise by the Government to pay dolla/rs ; it is not an attempt to make dollars. The standard of value is not changed. The Government simply demands that its credit shall be accepted and received by public and piivate creditors during the* pending exigency. . . . No one supposes that these Government certificates are never to be paid; that the day of specie payments is never to return. And it matters not in what form they are issued. . . . Through whatever changes they pass, their ultimate destiny is to he paid. In all these legal-tender cases, there is not a word in conflict with these opinions. Thus, then, it is settled that this note is not a dollar, but a debt due ; a promise to pay a dollar in gold coin. Congress may define the weight and fineness of a dollar, and it has done so by providing a gold coin weighing 25^ grains of standard gold ^ fine. The promise is specific and exact, and its nature is fixed by the law and announced by the court. Here I might rest, as to the nature of the United States note ; but it is proper that I state the law under which it was issued and the subsequent kws relating to it. The act of February 25, 1862, gave birth to this note as well as to the whole financial policy of the war. The first section of that act au- thorizes the Secretary of the Treasury to issue, upon the credit of the nation. United States notes to the amount of $150,000,000, payable to bearer at the Treasury of the United States. The amount of these notes was subsequently increased during the war to the maximum sum of $450,000,000, but the nature and character of the notes was the same as of the first issue. The enlargement of the issue did not in the least affect the obligation of the United States to pay them in coin. This obligation was recognized in every loan law passed during the war ; and to secure the note from depreciation the amount was ^ carefully limited, and every quality was added to maintain its value, that was possible during the exigencies of the war. I might show you, from the 496 SPEECHES AND REPORTS OF JOHN SHERMAN. contemporaneous debates in Congress, that at every step of the war the notes were regarded as a temporary loan, in the nature of a forced loan, but a loan cheerfully borne, but to be redeemed soon after the war was over. It was not until two years after the war, when the advancing value of the note created an interest to depreciate it to advance prices for spsculative purposes, that there was any suggestion of putting off the payment of the note. The policy of a gradual contraction of the currency with a view to specie payments was, in December, 1865, con- curred in by the almost unanimous vote of the House of Kepresentar tives, and the act of April 12, 1866, authorized the retiring and cancel- lation each month of $4,000,000 in notes. No one then questioned the policy, the duty, or the obligation of the United States to redeem these notes in coin. "Why has not this duty been performed ? How comes it that, four- teen years after these notes have been issued, and eleven years after the exigency is over, we are debating whether they shall or shall not be paid, and when they shall be paid ? We may well pause to examine Iiow this plain and positive obligation has so long been deferred by a nation always sensitive to the public honor. The fatal commencement of this long delay was in this provision of the act approved March 3, 1863, as follows : , And the holders of United States notes issued under and by virtue of said acts shall present the same for the purpose of exchanging the same for bonds as therein provided on or before the 1st day of July, 1863, and thereafter the right so to ex- change the same shall cease and determine. Thus, under the pressure of war, and the plausible pretext of a stat- ute of limitations, the most essential legal attribute of the note was taken away. This act, though convenient in its temporary results, was a most fatal step, and for my part, in acquiescing in and voting for it, I have felt more regret than for any other act of my official life. But it must be remembered that the object of this provision was not to prevent the conversion of notes into bonds, but to induce their conversion. It was the policy and need of the Government to induce its citizens to ex- change the notes freely for the bonds, so that the notes might again be paid out to meet the pressing demands of the war. It was believed that if this right to convert them was limited, in time this would cause them to be more freely funded ; and Mr. Chase, then Secretai*y of the Treasury, anxious to prevent a too large increase of the interest on the public debt, desired to place in market a five per cent, bond instead of a six per cent. bond. The fatal error was in not changing the right to convert the note into a five per cent, bond instead of a six per cent, bond. This was, in fact, proposed in the Committee on Finance ; but it was said that a right to convert a note into a bond at any time was not so likely to be exercised as it would be if it could only be exercised at the pleasure of the Government. And this plausible theory to in- duce the conversion of notes into bonds was made the basis, after the war was over, for the- refusal of the United States to allow the conver- sion of its notes into bonds, and has been the fruitful cause of the con- tinued depreciation and dishonor of United States notes during the last five years, while our five per cent, bonds have been at par with gold, NATIONAL FINANCES— SPECIE PAYMENTS. 497 and while our notes rise and fall in the gamut of depreciation from six to twenty-two per cent, below gold. Although the right to convert notes into bonds was taken away, yet in fact they were during the war received, par for par, for bonds ; and after the war was over Si the interest-bearing securities were converted into bonds; but the notes — the money of the people — the artificial measure of value, the most sacred obligation, because it was past due, was refused either payment or conversion, thus cutting it off from the full benefit of the advancing credit of the Government, and leaving to it only the forced quality of legal tender in payment of debts. Shortly after the war was over, and notably during the presidential campaign of- 1868, the question arose as to whether the bonds of the United States were or were not payable in coin or United States notes. Both notes and bonds were then below par in coin, the notes ranging from sixty-seven to seventy-five cents in coin ; and five per cent, bonds from seventy-two to eighty cents in coin. Here again the opportunity was lost to secure the easy and natural appreciation of our notes to the gold standard. Had Congress then authorized the conversion of notes into bonds when both were depreciated, both would have advanced to par in gold ; but on the one hand it was urged that this would cause a rapid contraction, and on the other that the right to convert a note into a bond was not specie payment, but only the exchange of one promise for another. It was specie payment they decidedly favored, but that they did not have the wisdom then to secure. If the advocates for specie payment had then supported a restoration of the right to convert notes into bonds, they would have secured their object with but little opposition. But all measures to fund the notes at the pleasure of the holder were defeated, and instead there was ingrafted into the act to strengthen the public credit — First, a declaration " that the faith of the United States is solemnly pledged to the payment in coin, or its equivalent, of aU the obligations of the United States not bearing interest, known as United States notes, and of all the interest-bearing obligations of the United States " except such as by the law could be paid iu' other currency than gold and silver. Second, " and the United States also solemnly pledges its faith to make provision, at the earliest practicable period, for the redemption of the United States notes in coin." Here again the obligation of the Government to pay these notes in coin was recognized, its purpose declared, and the time fixed, " as early as practicable." "What was the effect of this important act of Con-, gross ? Without adding one dollar to the public debt, or the burden of the debt, both bonds and notes rose in value. Within one year the bonds rose to par in gold, making it practicable to commence the re- funding of six per cent, bonds into five per cent, bonds. The notes rose under the stimulus of this new promise in one year from seventy- six cents to eighty-nine cents in gold, but no steps whatever were taken for their redemption. The amount of bank notes authorized was increased fif j;y-four mil- lions. The executive department pursued the policy of redeeming 33 498 SPEECHES AND REPORTS OF JOHN SHERMAN. debts not due, and, from an overflowing Treasury, reduced very largely the public debt ; but no steps whatever were taken to advance the value of our notes. The effect of the act of 1869 was exhausted on the adjournment of Congress in March, 1870, when the United States notes were worth eighty-nine cents in gold ; and thereabouts, up and down, with many fluctuations, they have remained to this day. The bond-holder, secure in the promise to him, is happy in receiving his interest in gold, with his bond above par in gold. The note-holder, the farmer, the artisan, the laborer, whose labor and production are measured in greenbacks, stiU receives our depreciated notes worth ten per cent, less than the gold promised him " at the earliest dajr practi- cable." The one has a promise performed ; the other a promise post- poned. Thus we stood when the panic of '73 came upon us ; we had then more paper money afloat than ever before circulated in any country of the world. Even then, had we stood flrmly, the hoarding tendency of the panic would have advanced our notes toward the gold standard ; and in fact it did so during the months of September and October, and until the premium on gold had fallen to eight per cent. But, sir, at this critical moment, the Secretary of the Treasury, acting no doubt in good faith, but I think without authority of law, issued twenty-six millions more United States notes — part of the notes retired and can- celed under previous acts. And now, notwithstanding aU the talk about contraction of the currency, we have not withdrawn one half of this illegal issue. On the 1st oi September, 1873, we had three hun- dred and fifty-six million notes outstanding. Three months afterward we had three hundred and eighty-two million ; and now we have three hundred and seventy-one miluon. Sir, it was under the light of these events, after the fullest discus- sion ever given in Congress to any question — after debate before the people during the recess of Congress, and full deliberation last winter — that this act was passed. There was and is now great difference of opinion as to the details ; but the vital promise made the note-holder, to make his note as good as gold in January, 1879, was concurred in by a large majority of both Houses, many oi whom opposed the bill as too slow in its operations. This act of honor and public faith was applauded by the civilized world, and concurred in by our constitu- ents ; the omy doubts being as to the machinery for caiTying it into effect. The time for the act to go into operation was fixed by those who most feared resumption ; but no one proposed a remoter date. My honorable friend from Indiana [Mr. Morton] tnily said (in the recent campaign in Ohio) that he participated in framing it ; and he and those who agreed with him fixed a time so remote as to excite the unfounded charge that the bill was a sham, a mere contrivance to bridge an election. And now, sir, to recapitulate this branch of the question : It is shown that the holder oi these notes has a promise of the United States, made in February, 1862, to pay him one dollar in gold coin ; that the legal purport of this promise has been declared by the Su- preme Court ; that wo have taken away from this note one of the legal NATIONAL FINANOES-SPEOIE PAYMENTS. 499 attributes given it, wMch would long since have secured its payment in coin ; tnat, when the note was authorized and issued it was iinder- stood as redeemable in coin when the war was over ; that our promise to pay it was renewed in 1869 — " at as early a day as. practicable " ; that by reason of our failure to provide for its payment it is still depre- ciated below par more than one tenth of its nominal value ; that we renewed this promise and made it definite as to time by the act of 18Y6 ; and that it is a debt due from the United States, and due now in coin, in law and honor. Yet it is proposed to recall our promise to redeem this note in coin three years hence. I say, sir, this would be national dishonor. It would destroy the confidence with which the public cred- itor rests upon the promises contained in your bonds. It would tend to arrest the process by which the interest on your bonds is reduced. It would accustom our people to the substitution of a temporary wave of popular opinion for its written contract or promise. It would weaJien in the public mind that keen sense of honor and pride which has always distinguished the English-speaking nations in dealing with public obligations. An old writer thus describes " public credit " : Credit is a consequence, not a cause ; the effect of a substance, not a substance ; it is the sunshine, not the sun ; the quickening something, call it what you will, that gives life to trade, gives being to the 'branches" and moisture to the root ; it is the oil of the wheels, the marrow in the bones, the blood in the veins, and the spirits in the heart of all the negoce, trade, cash, and commerce in the world. It is produced, and grows insensibly, from fair and upright dealing, punctual compliance, honorable performance of contracts and covenants ; in short, it is the offspring of universal probity. It is apparent even by its nature ; it is no way dependent upon persons, parlia- ment, or any particular men or set of men as such in the world, but npon their con- duct and just behavior. Credit never was chained to men's names, but to their actions ; not to families, clans, or collections of men ; no, not to nations. It is the honor, the justice, the fair dealing, and the equal conduct of men, bodies of men, nations, tod people, that raise the thing called credit among them. Wheresoever this is found credit will live and thrive, grow and increase ;. where this is wanting, let all the power and wit of man join together, they can neither give her being nor preserve her life. Arts have been tried on various occasions in the world to raise credit ; art has been found able with more ease to destroy credit than to raise it. The force of art, assisted by the punctual, fair, and just dealing abovesaid, may have done much to form a credit upon the face of things, but we find still the honor would have done it without the art, but never the art without the honor. Nor will money itself, which, Solomon says, answers all things, purchase this thing called credit or restore it when lost. . . . Our credit in this case is a public thing. It is rightly called by some of our writers national credit. The word denominates its original. It is produced by the nation's probity, the honor and exact performing national engagements. And, sir, passing from considerations of public honor, which for- bid the repeal of the act of 1875, let us now consider also the reasons oi p^M^G policy hj -w\n.(ila. it is prohibited. That act was regarded as the settlement of a financial policy, by which at least the party in power is bound and upon the faith of which business men have con- ducted their affairs and ^lade their contracts. Debts have been con- tracted and. paid with the expectation that at the time fixed the gold standard would measure all obligations, and a repeal of the act would 600 SPEECHES AND REPORTS OF JOHN SHERMAN. now reopen all the wild and dangerous schemes of speculation that feed and fatten upon depreciated paper money. The influence that secures this repeal will not stop here. If we can recall our promise to pay our outstanding notes, why should we not issue more ? If we can disregard our promise to pay them, why shall we regard our promise not to issue more than $400,000,000 as stipulated for by the act of 1864 ? If we can reopen the question of the payment of our notes, why may we not reopen the question of the payment of our bonds ? Is the act of 1869 any more sacred than the act of 18Y5 ? If we re- open these questions, why not reopen the laws requiring the payment of either interest or principal of the public debt ? They rest upon acts of Congress which we have power to repeal. If the public honor can not protect our promise to the note-holder, how shall it protect our promise to the bond-holder ? Already do we see advocated in hi^h places, by numerous and formidable organizations, all forms of repudia^ tion, which, if adopted, would reduce the credit of our nation to that of a robber chief — ^to a credit worse than that of an Algerine pirate, who at least would not plunder Ms own countrymen. And if the pub- lic creditor has no safety, what chance can the national banks — crea- tions of our own and subject to our will — ^have in Congress ? It is al- ready proposed to confiscate their bonds, premium and all, as a mode of paying their notes with greenbacks. What expedient so easy if we would make money cheap and abundant ? Or, if so extreme a measure could be aiTCsted, what is to prevent the permanent dethronement of gold as a measure of value, and the substitution of an interconvertible currency bond bearing 3 '65 per cent, iaterest as a standard of value ; and, when it becomes too expensive to print the notes to pay the inter- est, reduce the rate? Why not? "Why pay 3'65 per cent, when it is easier to print 3 per cent. ? It is but an act of Congress. And when the process of repudiation goes so far that your notes will not buy bread, why then declare against all interest, and then, after passing through the valley of humiliation, return again to barter, and honor, and gold. Sir, there is but one end if you once commence this downward course of repudiation. You may, like Mirabeau and the Gii'ondists, seek to stem the torrent, but you will be swept away by the spirit you have evoked and the instruments you have created. You complain now of a want of confidence, and that this want makes men hoard their money. Will you, then, destroy all confidence ? No, sir, no ; the way to restore confidence is to insjnre it ; and this can be done by ful- filling your obligations. You can not make men lend to you ; you can not make them sell to you anything — either bread, or meat, or wool, or iron, or anything that is or that can be created — except for that which they choose to take. You may depreciate the mone^' which von offer, but it will only take the more of it to buy Avhat you want, "it is tnie that the creditor may, by your laws, be compelled to take your money, however much you depreciate it ; but he can not buy back with it that which he sold, or its equivalent in other necessaries of life ; and thus he is cheated of part of what he sold. During the war, while money was depreciating, many a simple man gleefully counted his gains as he NATIONAL FINANCES— SPECIE PAYMENTS. 501 sold his goods or crops at advancing prices ; but lie found out his mis- take when with his swoUen pile he tried to replace his stock in trade, or to lay in his supplies. Sir, this policy exhausts itself in cheating the man who buys or sells or loans on credit, who produces something to sell on credit ; whether that something be or be not food or clothing; whether it be or be not a necessity or a luxury of life. Productive labor, honest toil, whether of the farmer or the artisan, is deeply inter- ested in credit. It is credit that gives life and competition to' trade ; and credit is destroyed by every scheme that impairs, delays, or even clouds an obligation. Again, sir, an irredeemable and fluctuating currency always raises the rate of interest on money, while the rate is reduced by a stable currency or an improving currency. This is easily shown by statistics, but the reason is so obvious that proof is not needed. If a man lends his money he wants it back again with its increase ; but if the money, when it is to be paid back, is likely to be worth less than when he thinks of loaning it, he will decline to lend it except at such rates as will cover the risk of depreciation. He wiU prefer to expend it in land or something of stable value. If money is at the gold standard or is advancing toward that standard, he will loan it readily at a mod- erate interest, for he knows he will receive back money of at least equal value to that he loaned. Again, sir, with a depreciated currency, great domestic productions are cut off from the foreign market ; for it is impossible that with such a currency we can compete on equal terms with rival nations, whose industry rests upon a specie standard. As we approach such a stan- dard, we are now able, as to a few articles, to compete with foreign in- dustry ; but it is only as to articles in the manufacture of which we have peculiar advantages. Let us rest our industries on that standard, and soon we can compete in the markets of the world in all the articles produced from iron, wood, leather, and cotton, the raw basis of which are our natural productions. And it must be remembered that all the countries with which we compete are spSsie-paying countries. A coun- try that does not rest her industry upon specie is necessarily excluded from the great manufacturing industries of modem civilization, and is self-condemned to produce only the raw basis for advanced industry. Cheap food, climate, soil, or natural advantages, such as cheap land, vast plains for pasture, or rich mines, may give to a country wealth and prosperity in spite of the evils of depreciated paper money. When we come into competition with the world in the advanced grades of production which give employment to the skilled mechanic, we must rest such industry upon the gold basis, or we enter the lists like a knight without his armor. Again, sir, a depreciated and fluctuating cun-ency is a premium and bounty to the broker and money-changer. Under his manipular tion our paper standard of value goes up and down, and he gambles and speculates, with all the advantages in his favor. Good people look on and think that it is gold that is going up and down ; that their money is a dollar still, and trade and traffic in that belief. But the shrewd operator calculates daily the depreciation of our note, the 502 SPEECHES AND EEPORTS OF JOHN SHERMAN. shortening of tlie yard-stick, the shrinking of the acre, the lessening of the ton ; and thus it is that he daily addsHo his gains from the in- difference or delusion of our people. Sir, this is an old story, often repeated in our day, and it was elo- quently epitomized by Daniel Webster in that often-quoted passage of his speech in which he said : A disordered currency is one of the greatest of political evils. It undermines the virtues necessary for the support of the social system and encourages propen- sities destructive of its happiness. It wars against industry, frugality, and econ- omy ; and it fosters the evil spirit of extravagance and speculation. Of all con- trivances for cheating the laboring classes of mankind none has been more eflfec- tual than that which deluded them with paper money. Ordinary tyranny, oppres- sion, excessive taxation, these bear lightly on tlie happiness of the mass of the com- munity, compared with the fraudulent currencies and the robberies committed by depreciated paper. Our own history has recorded for our instruction enough, and more than enough, of the demoralizing tendency, the injustice, and the intolerable oppression of the virtuous and well-disposed of a degraded paper currency author- ized by law or in any way countenanced by Government. Sir, we must meet this question of specie payments, not only be- cause we have pledged to it the public honor, but also for the lesser reason that it is for our interest. The only questions we should per- mit ourselves to discuss are the, means and measures of keeping our promise. And now, sir, let us examine the reasons that have been given for the repeal of the resumption act by those who, though favoring re- sumption, yet think the act should be repealed for one or other of the following reasons : 1. That it is not advisable to fix a day for resumption. 2. Or at least until the balance of trade is in our favor. 3. That it produces a contraction of the currency. 4. That it injuriously adds to the burden of existing debts. Let us glance at these objections. 1. As to fixing a day for r(%imption. If it was possible to agree iipon measures that would secure resump- tion without fixing a time, I agree it would not be indispensable, though not unadvisable, to take this step. But such an agreement is utteiuy impossible. Of the multitude of schemes that have been pre- sented to me by the intelligent men who are trying to solve this prob- lem, many could have been selected that in my opinion would be prac- ticable ; but of all of them not one ever has or is likely to secure the assent of a majority of a body so numerous as Congress. One diffi- culty we have encountered is that the Democratic party, though in the minority, has never presented in any form through any leading mem- ber a plan for resumption, but with widely differing opinions have joined in opposing any and every measure from the other side. I understand from the papers that our Democratic friends, through a caucus, and through a caucus committee of which my colleague is chairman, have been laboring to agree upon a plan for specie pay- ments. After hia frequent speeches to us about a caucus measure — a great question being submitted to a caucus — about secret conclaves, about shams and deceptions and such like polite and friendly com- NATIONAL FINANCES— SPECIE PAYMENTS. 503 ments upon tlie work of the Eepublican party, I might greet my col- leage with such happy phrases about his caucus ; but I will not ; on the contrary I commend his labors, and sincerely hope that he and his political friends may agree upon some plan to reach a specie standard, and not one to avoid it, to prevent it, to defer it. Under color of in- tending to prepare for it, I hope they will not make their measure the pretext for repealing the law as it stands, but instead that they will secure the end we both aim at, by fixing the day for resumption. I frankly state, for the KepubHcan party, that, while we could agree to fixing the time for specie payments and to confer the ample and sufficient powers upon the Secretary of the Treasury contained in this law, we could not agree in prescribing the precise mode in which the process should be executed. Nor, in my opinion, was it at all essen- tial that we should. Much must be left to the discretion of the officer charged with the execution of such a law. The powers conferred, as I shall show hereafter, are ample ; and the discretion given will be ex- ercised under the eye of Congress. And, sir, there is strong force in the fact that in every example we have of the successful resumption of specie payments in this and other countries, a fixed day has been named by legislative authority, and the details and power of execution have been left to executive authority. Thus in Great Britain, the act of Parliament of July 2, 1819, fixed the time for full resumption at the 1st day of May, 1823, and for a grad- uated resumption in gold at intermediate dates ; and for fractional sums under forty shillings to be paid in silver coin ; and the governor and directors of the Bank of England were charged with its execution, and authorized at their discretion to resume payment in full on the 1st day of May, 1822. France is now successfully passing through the same process of resumption, the time' being fixed (two years ago) for January 1, 1878, and now practically attained. In our own country many of the States have presented similar laws in case of suspended bank pay- ments, and in some cases the suspended banks have, by associated ac- tion, fixed a time for general resumption, and each bank adopted for it its own expedient. Sir, the light of experience is from the lamp of wisdom. I can recall no case of successful resumption where a fixed future time has not been presented beforehand, either by law or agree- ment ; while the historical examples of repudiation of currency have come by the drifting process, by a gradual decline of value, by in- creased issues, and by a refusal to provide measures of redemption, and were followed by the disappearance of the whole mass,, dishonored and repudiated. This concurrence in the mode of resumption by so many govern- ments was the strongest possible instruction to Congress when fixing a plan of resumption for the United States, and should satisfy reasonable men of its wisdom. Besides, it would seem to be but fair that every one should have plain notice of so important a fact. If the measures only were pre- sented and no time fixed, it would be a matter of speouIatioDy and the discretionary powers of the Secretair of the Treasury could be exercised with a view to hasten or postpone the time to the injury csf individuals. 504 SPEECHES AND REPORTS OF JOHN" SHERMAN. As to the date selected, I can only repeat it was placed as remote as any one suggested ; far more so than is necessary to secure the object, and so that the fluctuations of value will scarcely exceed in four years what they have frequently been in a single year. Ample time is given to arrange all the relations of debtor and creditor, and to enable Congress to provide any additional measure in aid of resumption, or if events make it expedient to even make further postponement. Again, it has been objected that we can not resume, until the bal- ance of trade is in our favor. The phrase, " balance of trade," has been a favorite with visionaries and theorists, and is sufficiently indefi- nite to confuse and mislead. This dogma is generally tmderstood to mean "that a nation that imports more than i% exports is growing poorer " ; or, conversely, " that a nation that exports more than it im- ports is prosperous." Now, sir, both propositions have been proved false in many cases, though both in some may be true. It does not follow that an excess of imports creates distress, or that a deficiency of exports is an evidence of poverty. Even the excess of imports upon which interest is paid may be of wealth-producing productions; or a deficiency of exports may be caused by an increased domestic manu- facture of raw products by home industry. But the best way to test the fallacy of this dogma is by reference to examples. Great Britain is known to be a prosperous nation of accumulating and accumulated wealth ; and yet her imports have exceeded her exports every year for twenty years. The general average of her imports in excess of exports is £50,000,000 or $250,000,000 a year. I have here the detailed stete- ment of her imports and exports for 1872 and 1873 : 1872. Imports £364,698,624 Exports 314,588,834 Excess of imports over exports £40,104,790 or $200,000,000 1873. Imports £871,287,872 Exports 811,004,765 Excess of imports over exports £60,282,607 or $300,000,000 Now, according to the dogma of the " balance of trade," Great Britain is going into a rapid decay ; while she knows this large excess of imports is an addition to her national wealth. But take our own country and compare years of conceded prosperity with years of hard times : 1307. 1S63. $891,121,801 884,860,053 $861,214,010 862,788,202 T'lxnorta at £rold voiluo in t'.lu diner irold $66,771,148 Yet we were then prosperous, as we have so often been told, with plenty of paper money. Take the last two years, when we are told so often that distress, misery, and poverty prevailed : NATIONAL FINANCES— SPECIE PAYMENTS. 505 1874. • 18TB. Exports at gold value, including gold $652,913,445 595,861,248 $60B,5'74,853 653,906,153 Imports $5'7,0B2,19'7 $51fi68,100 And the balance of trade in our favor is more striking during the seven months of the present fiscal year, from the 1st of July, 1875, to the 1st of February, 18Y6. The total exports, reduced to gold values, were $334,853,996 The total imports were , 281,729,735 Leaving a balance in our favor in coin for seven months of $53,124,261 All these amounts are reduced to a coin basis, and include both the importation and exportation of coin. According to the dogma of the "balance of trade," now is the golden moment to resume, when the balance is in our favor nearly one hundred miUions a year. Yet many people cry out, "Wait for the balance of trade ; don't force resumption." Well, the time has come, and yet they are not ready. This dogma has been the cause of infinite confusion, but is now abandoned. McCuUoch, in his " Dictionary of Commerce," thus refers to it : In commerce the term " balance of trade " is commonly used to express tlie dif- ference between the value of tie exports from and imports into a country. The balance used to be said to be favorable when the value of the exports exceeded that of the imports, and unfavorable when the value of the imports exceeded that of the exports. And in this country this was long believed to be the case, and down to a late period we were annually congratulated by our finance ministers on the excess of the exports over the imports. , The attainment of a favorable balance was formerly regarded as an object of the greatest importance. . . . The truth is, however, that the theory of the balance of trade was not erroneous merely from the false notions which its advocates entertained with respect to money, but proceeded on radically mistaken views as to the nature of commerce. . . . The argument about the balance of payments is one of those that contradict and confute themselves. . . . Not only, therefore, is the theory with respect to the balance of trade erroneous, but the very reverse of that theory is true. . . . It is difficult to estimate the mischief which the absurd notions relative to the balance of trade have occasioned in almost every commercial country ; here they have been particularly injurious. This author fortifies his position with ample details ; but it is sufE- ' cient to say that if the dogma is false we should not regard it, and, if it is true, now is the golden moment for resumption, for the balance of trade is in our favor. In my view it is utterly immaterial to the ques- tion before us. The third objection is that the law produces a great contraction of the currency. N^ow, sir, it ought to be confessed, for it is true, that any plan for specie resumption will,, when it is about to take effect, produce some contraction of the paper currency. The drifting process, if it succeeds, must cause it as well. To wait for resumption until resumption wiU 506 SPEECHES AND REPORTS OF JOHN SHERMAN. produce no temporary contraction is to wait until the rivers cease to flow, or the mountains are level with the plains. In each of the his- torical cases I have referred to, resumption was preceded by contrac- tion. Remedies for bodily or political ailments are apt to be unpleas- ant. All we can say is that public honor and public policy demand the remedy for the dishonor ana the evil of a depreciated currency ; that the time is ripe for the cure, and the means we have prescribed are suitable to the end. And, sir, the degree of contraction and the effects of it are greatly exaggerated. The only contraction of the currency provided for by the act is in the substitution of one form of currency for another. Thus, in place of the fractional currency is issued silver currency ; and where national-bank notes are issued eighty per cent, of the amount in United States notes is retired. Thus far we have called in no fractional currency ; but, as I will show hereafter, we can now and will, if the law stands, issue as much silver currency as any one may wish in exchange for either fractional currency or United States notes ; and, as to bank notes, the amount issued since the act took effect is $13,820, Y60, and the amount of United States notes retired is $11,056,608, leaving of United States notes still outstanding $370,943,392, or $14,900,000 more than was outstanding when the act of March, 1869, was passed, and the same amount more than was outstanding on the 14th day of Sep- tember, 1873, when the panic came. Thus it appears that imder the law the amount of bank notes issued is $2,800,000 more than the United States notes retired, and the contraction of the currency prescribed by this law is a myth. But there has been a contraction of the currency since the panic, and before and after the passage of the act of 1875, which will go on whenever in any way a specie standard approaches, and that is by the voluntary retirement by national banks of a portion of their circulating notes. This contraction is not provided for by the resumption act, but is authorized by the national banking acts, and is the healthy ebb and flow of currency which it was the object of the law to secure. The national banks retired $24,962,327 of their notes by depositing that amount of United States notes in the Treasury of the United States, to be used exclusively in redeeming their bank notes when presented. The only motive for this deposit was that in the opinion of those banks, the circulating notes could not be profitably used, or they were not strong enough to maintain, at the specie basis, all of their notes. This process will, and ought to, go on until each bank is certain it can maintain resumption at the time stated. Nor is this contraction in the slightest degree injurious to the bank, or to the ability of the bank to loan money to its customers. The banks will not withdraw their notes unless it is to their interest to do so. Wlien thej' do surrender or re- deem them, they at once receive a larger amount of their bonds held as security for their notes, which are worth about 30 per cent, more than tlie notes redeemed. Thus, when a bank surrendei-s $1^,000 of its circulation, it lifts from the lien of the note-holder $10,000 of the United States bonds, worth to-day about $12,000. If the bank sells the bonds, it has $12,000 of currency to loan, and has strengthened NATIONAL FINANCES— SPECIE PAYMENTS. 507 itself by paying $9,000 of its notes. This process, instead of being a cause of alann, sbould be encouraged and hastened ; and this is practi- cally the only contraction effected by this bill, a contraction which is in the very line clamored for by those who oppose national banks ; but still it is a voluntary contraction, made by the silent operation of the interest of the bank, while at the same time it advances the residue of notes to par in gold. Sir, in my judgment, the real solution of the problem of specie resumption will thus come through the voluntary act of national banks, each acting for itself, under the general direction of the law, precisely as the Bank of England, the Bank of France, and the New York banks brought about and maintained resumption. I have never regarded with solicitude the amount of United States notes outstanding, for, as I vdll show, they can be easily maintained at par in gold ; but the agency of the banks in securing resumption and the effect of resump- tion upon their customers were matters of solicitude. This I no longer doubt or fear. The whole problem consists in a partial and limited transfer of capital now invested by national banks in United States bonds, to individuals. The high price of these bonds and the idle capi- tal that seeks investment in them will enable each bank to strengthen itself by a sale of bonds without in the least impairing its ability to dis- count or loan, and, in fact, to increase its power to do so ; and the bonds will be absorbed by the increasing demand for such securities. Strong banks in cities do not need the currency, for their currency is certified checks. Their currency is largely held by them, and what they have in circulation can be retired and canceled without impairing in the least their ability to loan or discount. The bank currency being thus dimin- ished, as the time for resumption approaches, the United States notes, supported by a gold reserve and the power of the Secretary to sell bonds, will easily be maintained at the gold standard, and the problem is solved. And, sir, this partial contraction of bank currency will unlock and dissipate a greater contraction which has gone on since the panic, and wiU go on until the public mind rests assured that the day of resump- tion is not only promised, but rendered certain by the course of events. An increase of currency will follow resumption. Great masses of notes now lie idle in bank vaults and in ' the Treasury, and are hoarded in homesteads all over the land. There is deposited in the Treasury, without interest and belonging to banks, $31,005,000, represented by currency certificates. There are now in the vaults of the national banks $Y3,626,100 in United States notes and fractional currency, $17,166,190 in bank notes, in all $90,792,290 ; while in the savings banks. State banks, and other banks that have made returns to the Comptroller of the Currency, there is the sum of $48,431,409, making in all $170,228,- 699 ; and this is far more than the reserve required by law. The prac- tice of hoarding currency has greatly increased from the day of the panic, and it may be safely said that there is among the people and in savings banks and trust companies not less than $200,000,000 of idle currency. Nothing but the best security will tempt it from its hiding- places ; but, when that security is offered, it can be had for a less rate 508 SPEECHES AND REPORTS OF JOHN SHERMAN. of interest than ever before. Capital met its periodic shock in Sep- tember, 1873, and great masses of it, some say one thousand millions, vanished as a dream, and those millions are now represented by worth- less bonds, bills, notes, and certificates of stock, worth but little more than the paper on which they are printed. This panic came upon us when tlie paper god was lord of the ascendant ; when comer lots, at fictitious prices, were the par of exchange ; when unproductive rail- roads were the El Dorados of visionaries ; and wild schemes of im- provement, both in this city and in aU the cities of the Union, increased municipal debts to an unexampled degree. This reckless inflation of credits collapsed long before mis law was passed. Money, the agent of capital — and, when idle, capital itself — was hoarded, and still re- mains inactive, or is loaned on call or unquestioned security. This is the contraction of which so many complain. It is not caused by the resumption act, but by a want of confidence in proffered investments. Confidence can not be restored by a repeal or by issuing more paper money. But the occasion offers you an opportunity to withdraw a portion of this idle money, and of thus reaching a specie standard. The banks can freely surrender a portion of their circulation, and thus be strong for resumption ; while frightened and timid capital will gladly fioat into United States bonds when sold by the banks. No- thing is wanting but confidence, faith, .and time to secure the closing triumph of our war policy by the redemption of the only promise we then made that has not been honestly redeemed. The remaining objection to the law is that it will add to the burden of existing debts. This objection is also inseparable from any plan of resumption. Postponement or repeal will not help the matter. The time for redemption must come. Current indebtedness was never less than now. Liquidation has gone on rapidly since the panic, and in many cases by open bankruptcy. Debts contracted since the passage of the act have been made in view of resumption in 1879. Many of the old debts run for a long period of years, and when issued were made upon the presumption of specie payments before they matured. Other large masses of debts stipulate for the payment of both principal and interest in coin. Nearly all the best investment securities are now at or near par in gold and are bought and sold at gold values. Current debts in trade will mature and be paid long before the time for resump- tion ; or if they are renewed, the debtor and creditor will adjust the mode of payment. All new transactions are based upon the knowledge that specie payments will come at the time stated, and for that reason stipulation is made for lower rates of interest. When it is once fixed in the public mind that on the 1st of January, 1879, paper money will be advanced to the specie standard, and debtors can readily borrow money payable in that standard at lower rates of interest, capital will no longer be invested in gold bonds from the fear that if loaned to in- dividuals it will be paid back in depreciated paper, but it wiU eagerly be invested at low rates of interest, on mortgage or other security, if it is to be paid in improved and improving currency. Industries now languid or suspended will hopefully revive, as stocks are reduced, and productions have a fixed commercial value, not only in home markets NATIONAL FINANCES— SPECIE PAYMENTS. 509 but in the markets of the world. Merchants now fear the shrinkage of prices, but their stocks will be renewed at a corresponding reduction until all prices are measured by the gold standard, when they fear no other change of prices except those arising from demand and supply. Debtors are also generally creditors, and the loss and gain in values will balance each other, and the time is ample in which all losses can be adjusted. Never could our condition be better to resume the specie standard than now, unless we intend to perpetuate the use of depre- ciated paper money and totally disregard the pledge of the public faith to redeem United States uotes in coin. There are two objections made to the law which I ought not to pass over without reply. One is that this law forces resumption ; and that it is better to drift" into resumption. It will come, they say, by natural caufees. The other objection is that the law has been in force a year and we are no nearer resumption ; that it is therefore a dead letter and ought to be repealed. These two objections are not consistent with eaSi other ; but each has its believers, and should be answered. The drifting process has been tried since 1868. Then the law fixed the volume of United States notes at $356,000,000, and forbade its con- traction, and. the amount of bank notes at $300,000,000, and forbade its enlargement. It was said we would grow into resunrption. This was the plausible dogma with which I was met when 1 sought the funding of notes into bonds. The result I have already stated. In 1870 the sectional inequality of the distribution of bank currency, in- flamed into a passion by the sectional appeals of Horatio Seymour when a candidate for President in 1868, forced the enlargement of the limit of bank notes to $354,000,000 ; and the vain hope of stopping a panic by paper promises forced the enlargement of the limit of if nited States notes to $382,000,000. So will it always be with this drifting process. When we reach a specie standard it is safe enough. If national banks then issue more money, upon suflBcient security to pay in coin, they do it at their peril ; and the people can not lose, nor can their standard of value fluctuate. But even if it was possible to fix the present volume of currency as an arbitrary limit, it would only prolong indefinitely the evils of a depreciated currency. ISTo one believes that we could main- tain in circulation near $800,000,000 of paper money all the time at par in gold. It must have the quality of flexibility in amount to meet the currents of trade and business — at times withdrawn, and when needed reissued, but always of the value of gold — and these qualities can only be secured by prompt redemption when it is not needed, and its reissue through loans and discounts by banks when the crops are to be moved, or trade becomes active. And as to the objection that the law has not already produced more imnlediate results, I admit that this is an objection to the law, but it was unavoidable under the circumstances. The time for resumption should have been fixed much earlier, so that its effect would have been more rapid. If by the law the banks had been compelled to prepare for resumption sooner, the appreciation of our notes would have been more marked ; and its effect would also follow if a portion of the notes could be funded, or either gold or notes could be held in reserve by the 510 SPEECHES AND REPORTS OF JOHN SHERMAN. sale of bonds. Who does not wish that our notes were now worth ninety-five instead of eighty-nine cents on the dollar ? And yet to have produced that result we must have either hastened the day for resump- tion or have strengthened the measures for resumption. But what is the remedy for this slow process ? Is it to repeal the law, not a single provision of which by its terms has been put in full operation ? Is it to revoke our promise and all efforts for its fulfillment ? Obviously not ; the remedy is to stand by our engagement and perform it sooner if circumstances will allow. And now, sir, I come to the second proposition stated : Can we re- sume specie payments on the 1st day of January, 1879 ? On this proposition we are to consider the question as it affects the national banks, the fractional currency, and the United States notes. As to the national banks, I have already stated how redemption with them becomes an easy and natural process, to be performed with- out injury to them, or to their customers, or to their usefulness, by a transfer or sale of TJnited States bonds especially set aside for that pur- pose, and only to the extent that each bank may deem essential to its safety. The national banks are now exceptionally strong. Their cir- culating notes amount to $346,479,756. Of these notes they have in their vaults the sum of $17,166,190. They have with the Treasurer of the United States $356,680,150 in United States bonds, worth $427,- 947,224 in currency or $374,582,200 in coin. They also hold United States bonds to secure United States deposits $13,981,500, and other United States bonds held in their vaults to the amount of $16,909,550. They have a surplus, over and above the capital fully paid up, of §192,- 300,000. "With the great body of them, the redemption of the whole or a large part of their circulation is a matter of indifference. To the extent of a certain per cent, of their deposits and five per cent, of their circulation they must maintain a reserve of United States notes, and to that extent they wiU aid the United States in maintaining resumption. The amount of this reserve now required is $80,135,200, but the amount in hand is $118,800,987. As United States notes are equivalent to coin with them, they will seek to hold as much as they can, as other banks in England hold the notes of the Bank of England. Is it not, then, apparent that the national banks are able to resume, are prepared to resume, and that resumption by them need not be delayed a single year ; and that, so far as their notes are concerned, it is a shame and scandal that they are only worth eighty-nine cents on the dollar — and all because the IJnited States will not advance its notes to par in gold ? Now, sir, as to the fractional currency. This was issued to^ take the place of the subsidiaiy silver coins of the country during tlie war. The amount outstanding, as shown by the books oi. the Treasury, is $45,120,132; but of this many millions have been lost and destroyed; and this is shown by the large amount of the old issues never pre- sented although long superseded. It is probable that not exceeding $40,000,000 will be presented for redemption. Now, sir, as to this currency, we are able to-day to issue silver coin of legal weight and fineness in exchange, dollar lor dollar, for fractional currency, not only without loss, but with an actual profit. One ounce of silver bullion, NATIONAL FINANCES— SPECIE PAYMENTS. 511 of four hundred and eighty grains of standard fineness, is worth in the market $1.05 in coin. One dollar of our silver coin contains three hundred and eighty-four grains of standard silver ; so that one dollar of silver coin will cost the United States eighty-four and one quarter cents >esides the cost of coining. To the extent that our people will take sV ver coin in exchange for fractional currency, the problem is already solved. It is said this coin will be hoarded- So much the bet- ter. We can furnish from our own mines all that is needed, to the extent of fifteen millions on h.-nd and two millions a month more, that being the extent of our coinage fadlities. It is said it will be exported. No such good luck will befall us, for silver bullion is cheaper and bet- ter for export. If we issue it, we will either redeem a note or save paying out a note, and either way we make a profit. If fifty millions silver coin is held by our people it is to that extent a reserve for specie payments where it is most useful among the people. I wish they would take one hundred millions, but I do not doubt that enough wiU be taken to redeem all the fractional currency that our people will not prefer to retain. And now the only remaining question is. Can we redeem or main- tain at par, by the 1st day of January, 1879, the United States notes ? The amount of these notes outstanding to-day is $370,94:3,392, less those lost and destroyed. Now, many who fear resumption suppose the whole mass of .United States notes will then be presented for the gold ; and they have counted up the number of tons of gold that will be required for their payment. They figure up the interest at five per cent, on the whole sum, and add that to our annual interest account. It is not necessary to reply to such exaggerations ; nor can we state with precision, what amount of United States notes would circulate at par in coin. They could then be made receivable for customs dues without a violation of the public faith. They will always be the re- serve of national banks. They could then be made receivable for Unit- ed States bonds. They could be supported by the power to sell bonds to redeem them. They would, as a matter of course, be supported by the whole gold reserve in the Treasury. They would take the place of certificates of deposit, and be used in clearing-house exchanges. Now, sir, with all these advantages, with the growing wealth and credit of our country, I do not believe the present volume of United States notes need be largely if any reduced to keep them at par in coin. We have now a gold balance in the Treasury of $37,120,772.73 and a currency balance of $9,529,404 over and above our currency and coin certificates. It is true this balance is subject to the overdue and accruing demands fully stated in a recent letter of the Secretary of the Treasury ; but a certain amount of these demands always remains un- called for, and when presented are met by accruing revenue. Suppose (what I regard as an extreme case) that we add to this reserve $100,- 000,000, fifty million in coin certificates and fifty milKon in coin, does anybody doubt but it will be ample to redeem any note that is pre- sented ? Confidence being once established in their redemption, who will want the gold for them ? They can be and not doubt will be re- issued without or with the legal-tender clause, as the law may here- 512 SPEECHES AND EEPORTS OF JOHN" SHERMAN. after provide ; and with their credit secured, established at par in coin, they will not only circulate in Texas and on the Pacific slope as weU as in other parts of the United States, but, like the Bank of England notes, they will circulate in all countries with which we have commer- cial relations. Let us pursue the argument, taking the full burden of resumption as the interest of one hundred millions per annum. The rate of in- terest now in currency may be stated at four per cent, or four and a half per cent, in gold. Thus four to four and one half millions a year, three years hence, is the extreme burden of specie payments. Sir, the sinking fund in three years amounts to more than the one hundred millions you are to keep in reserve. The saving abeady made thus far by funding the debt into five per cent, bonds is five millions a year. The saving that you will make by the funding into four and one half per cent, will be seven and one half millions in gold, or near- ly twice as much as is needed. The saving of four millions on the appropriation bills sent to us will cover the cost. It can be paid by a duty of five cents on each gallon of whisky. One half of the smallest duty ever levied on tea and cofEee will do it. One half of the taxes now levied on national banks by the United States will do it. The increased value of our tax on whisky and tobacco being paid in coin will twice do it. Are we able to do it ? Are we able to keep our promises when made specific as to time, place, and manner ? I do not care to discuss this question further. Sir, the United States has been blessed by Divine Providence with all the gifts which He has ever showered upon the human race. We have a broad and fruitful land, with almost every variety of climate and production. "We have forty millions of free people, industrious, intelligent, brave as becomes men, shrewd and sagacious in trade and production, and loving honor and a good name. To say that we can not redeem our promises is to dis- honor the blessings of God ; it is to eat of the forbidden fruit when all the productions of nature and art are within our reach ; it is to dishonor our name and credit when the world is ready to lend us at a less rate of interest than that for which any nation of the world except Great Britain has ever borrowed ; it is a party retreat ; it is a national retreat ; it is a retreat of cowardice from a task we promised to per- form, that we are able to perform, and which every noble motive that actuates mankind impels us to perform. But, it is asked, where is the gold to come from to enable us to resume ? Not only is the gold of the world open to our competition, but we are the largest gold- and silver-producing country of the world. The product of our mines is about one hundred millions a year, and a single year's product would more than enable lis to resume. Our fa- cilities for accumulating gold are greater than those of any other nation. " But the gold is exported." So it is, because we will not use it as do the other nations. Give it occupation here and it will remain here, and tliuprodu notes. If it becomes too abundant, it comes into the Treasury for taxes and is paid out only when demanded or willingly received. So the coining of the new silver dollar, though a legal tender for all purposes, is Imiited by law to from $2,000,000 to $4,000,000 a month. The silver in this dollar is worth less in the market than the fold or even the paper dollar, and, if issued without limit, the silver oUar win surely depreciate below the gold doUar, and will become the single standard of value. This is as certain as the march of time. But gold also is an indispensable standard of value. It measures all the larger transactions of business life. It is used as such by most Christian and civiKzed nations of the world, and its demonetization would be as great an injury as the demonetization of silver. Now, fellow citizens, I am in favor of so adjusting this matter that both metals wiU circulate at par with each other, that you wiU have gold eagles and silver dollars, and that a dollar of either will purchase precisely the same quantities. This can be done while the market value of silver is lower than it should be in view of its legal ratio with gold, either. First, by limiting the amount of silver to be issued ; Second, by readjusting the relative weight of coins, either by in- creasing the weight of the silver coin, or lessening that of the gold coin, or equalizing them by increasing the weight of silver and lessen- ing that of the gold ; or. Third, by some plan to be adopted by the International Conference between bimetallic nations now in session, which I sincerely trust may arrive at some practical result. Any plan to keep these coins on a par with each other will meet my hearty concurrence, but I am utterly opposed to any measure that will deprive us of the use of either of them, circulating side by side, with equal purchasing power, at par with each other, lassure you in FINANCES. 605 all frankness that tlie silver question must be solved in some way, or ■yve will have to adopt the single standard of silver like the Chinese and other Asiatic nations. And now, fellow citizens, I come to the most important question of this canvass. Our paper currency is now happily brought very near to par with coin. Will you insist upon keeping it at par, or will you, by repealing the resumption act, retrace the steps already taken, and embark again upon the sea of irredeemable paper currency ? Shall our paper money hereafter be redeemable in coin upon the demand of the holder and be maintained at par with coin, or shall it be what its friends call a " fiat " money, irredeemable in coin, dependent upon the daily trade-marks of bankers and brokers for its value, and upon the changing majorities in Congress for its amount and quality ? This county of Lucas has always been a good Eepublican county. It earnestly supported the administration of Abraham Lincoln, sup- ported all the measures of the war, and in patriotic exertions and sacri- fices for the cause of the Union was not excelled by any portion of the United States of equal population. It is to you as Republicans that I wish to address what I have to say to-night. It was the Republican party which devised and issued the green- backs, and which has thus far sustained them and advanced them by slow and gradual processes' to par with coin. No doubt there have been honest differences, as it is natural there would be, as to the means by which the result has been brought about, but there should be no difference among Republicans as to the desire that the money contrived by their policy, and the chosen instrument by which the forces of the United States were marshaled during our war, should be made and kept equal to coin. However varying currents of public opinion or temporary depres- sion of industry may tend to disturb the public judgment, it should be the will and the duty of the great party to which we belong to make good the promises printed on the face of United States notes, especially when this is demanded not only by national honor, but by the clearest public policy. In this money, which is our own, we naturally take pride. We guarded it in its cradle when it was reviled and derided by our political adversaries, at a time when it was said it would wander like Cain with a mark upon its brow, dishonored and repudiated. We believed in it then and we believe in it now. When it was issued we promised to redeem it in coin, and every fresh issue was accompanied by a fresh promise. In 1866 we not only, by law, promised to redeem it, but provided for the gradual contraction of its amount. In 1868 we suspended the contraction but renewed the promise. In 1869 we solemnly pledged the public faith to redeem the notes in coin. J^o step, however, was taken for their redemption, and, under the stimulus of inflation, spopulation ran riot, visionary schemes were en- tered upon, extravagance prevailed, until in September, 18Y3, the bub- ble burst, prices fell, the wild delusions of the time were dissipated. 606 SPEECHES AND KEP0RT8 OF JOHX SHERMAN. and business men had to face the inevitable evils that always come from irredeemable paper money. Then, after fifteen months' debate in Congress and before the peo- ple, as a remedy for the evils we were suffering, the resumption act was passed. Its only object was to make our paper money equal to coin. It was not the best possible measure, but was the only one that could be agreed upon. It was very general in its provisions, but it gave ample power to prepare for and to maintain resumption. It did not abolish the greenback. On the contrary the greenbacks were expressly to be retained to the extent of $300,000,000 as a part of the permanent currency of the country, and, on the 1st of January, 18Y9, were to be made as good as coin, to be redeemable in coin, and to be issued and reissued as the money of the people, the chief part of our paper currency. This was to be the fulfillment of our promises. This was our answer to those who said the greenback would never be redeemed. And now, fellow citizens, the resumption act has vindicated itself. We will be prepared, when the time fixed shall arrive, to execute it and maintain it, with entire confidence in its happy effect in the revival of business and the restoration of confidence. Four months before the time fixed, silver, gold, and paper are almost on a par with each other. A greenback will now buy within one half of one per cent, as much provision, clothing, and other things as the best gold coin ever issued from the mint. The laboring man has a standard of value equal to that of the bond-holder. The only promise unfulfilled by the Kepublican party is almost performed. The steps by which the result has been achieved were simple, law- ful, and beneficent, and perhaps it is best for me to state them as briefly as I can. First. Silver coin has been gradually substituted for fractional cur- rency. The amount of fractional currency redeemed to the 17th of this month is $25,080,609. The amount of fractional silver coin issued to the same date is $39,307,680. Here has been no contraction, but an increase of over $14,000,000 current money by the substitution of a durable coin for an expensive and wasteful note. Second. A gradual retirement has been effected of United States notes from $382,000,000 January, 1875, to $346,681,016. This reduc- tion was made only as circulating notes were issued to national banks, and only to the extent of eighty per cent, of the notes so issued. This was to be continued until the amount outstanding was $300,000,000, but Congress, during the recent session, in view oi the general desire to stop reduction, suspended it, and fixed the amount of United States notes at $346,(i81,016, the amount then outstanding. Though tliis adds to the difficulties of executing the resumption law, still I have entire confidence in our ability to maintain that amount in circulation. Third. Coin has been accumulated in the Treasury in anticipation of resumption. Tlio authority to thus accumwlate is plainly given by the resumption act, and was tlie chief means pi'ovided to secure and maintain resumption. IMy predecessors, no doubt believing that this FINANCES. 607 accumulation ought not to commence during their terms, had taken no steps under the provisions of the resumption act. "When I assumed the duties of. my present office, after careful study of the whole subject, I determined that it would be necessa,ry to accu- mulate, in addition to the surplus revenue, the sum of $100,000,000 of gold coin, and that it ought to be accumulated at the rate of $5,000,000 a month from the 1st of May, 1877, to the date of resumption. It was confidently declared by those who opposed the law that it would be impossible to accumulate this coin without putting up the price of gold, and thus defeating the object, but the experiment shows that it was not only feasible, but advantageous to the current business of the country. We accumulated easily during eight months of the year 1877 at the rate of $5,000,000 a month, with gold constantly declining in price. This process was arrested by the debates in Congress and the threatened repeal of the resumption act, but was again resumed in the spring of this year, when it was found still more easy to accumulate coin by the sale of 44 per cent, bonds, and the original plan was executed sooner than was anticipated, by the rapid sale of the bonds, so that on the 10th of this month the Treasury of the United States was supplied with $209,011,753.15 gold and silver coin and bullion. I have received a recent statement from the Treasurer of the United States which shows the precise condition of the Treasury, in view of resumption, as follows : TuEAaUET OF THE UNITED StATES, ) Washiikjton, D. C, August 20, 18Y8. f Sir: I have the honoi' to advise yoa that, on August 10, 1878, there were in the Treasury as follows : Gold coin |185,273,016 85 Standard dollars 10,386,2K6 00 Gold bullion 6,5H9,661 89 Siirer bullion 6,812,812 41 $209,011,763 15 Of which there will be required for the following payments : Unmatured calls of 5-20 bonds $45,000,000 00 Coin certificates outstanding on that date $43,'721,3'70, less $17,195,180 redeemed and in Treasury 26,526,190 00 Principal of debt estimated to be due and unpaid on that date 4,000,000 00 Coin interest estimated to be due and unpaid on that date 4,000,000 00 $"79,626,190 00 Excess $129,485,563 15 The gold coin on hand, stated above at $185,273,016.85, does not include re- deemed gold certificates, or any other coin item, but is actually gold coin. There was in the Treasury of that date $5,095,246.38 fractional silver coin. Very respectfully, JAS. GILFILLAN, Treasurer United States. Hon. John Sheeman, Seereta/ry of the Treasury. It thus appears that, over and above all coin liabilities, the Treasury has $129,485,563.15, besides $5,095,246.38 fractional silver coin, avail- able for resumption purposes without any charge or demand whatever against it, and supported by the power,. if necessary, to sell bonds in aid of resumption. With this sum and with the powers conferred by 608 SPEECHES AND REPORTS OF JOHN SHERMAN. law, I am satisfied that it is easy to maintain resumption, and sucli, I believe, is now the judgment of the best business men of the country, and of those most experienced in financial matters. I do not think it necessary to enter into more detail as to the plan of or the ability to maintain resumption, or as to the arguments for or against the measures adopted m aid of it, as the subject was thoroughly discussed in Congress and my own views fully explained to the committees of Congress in interviews published by the Senate and House last winter, and no doubt accessible to you. It is sufiicient to say that since the passage of the resumption act every promise and expectation of its friends has been justified by events, and every prophecy of its opponents has been falsified. Every step in the process of resumption has been open, public, and frank, and beneficial in a business sense. AU the evils which you have suffered are the direct result of the inflation of paper money and the panic which preceded the resump- tion act. The whole process of resumption has substantially been car- ried on since the 1st of May, 1877, and has been attended with reviving business and prosperity. The failures that have occurred during this time have been the direct result of engagements and contracts made before that date. And now, fellow citizens, the real question is. Shall we go forward and complete this process, or shall we go back again to the period of irredeemable money with its inevitable resulting consequence of ex- pansion, inflation, and panic? As you are the judges of last resort on this question, I beg of you to consider some general principle gathered from the experience, not only of our own people, but of all nations who have, at any period, maintained mixed standards of paper money. Irredeemable paper money is only justified by war carried to the extent of national peril, when the hfe of the nation is at stake. It ought to be redeemable as soon as the public exigencies wiU pei-mit. It IS not money, but the promise to pay money. These are axioms of political economy, the truth of which all experience has demonsti-ated. We issued this money only in the midst of such a peril. Our error, if any, has been that we have delayed too long the mea- sures of resumption. Now, when they are almost complete, and gold and silver and paper money are practically convertible one into the other, when there is the same money for the bond-holder and the note- holder, the rich and the poor, when silver can be had for notes, and gold in ample store awaits the day of resumption, we Republicans shovild not debate the question of the repeal of the resumption act. "With all our promises on record, we should not be deluded by the cry for " fiat " money. Precisely what is the meaning of this phrase I do not know, but I presume it means a money that is not measured by any other, that is not redeemable in any other, but has its origin, force, sanction, and value in the mandate of the Government, and will vary day by day in purchasing power. As between tliis kind of money and the old greenback regenerated, restored, convertible into coin, the standard of all value, and the medi- um of ail payments, I am for tlie greenback against " fiat " money. FINANCES. 609 A great nation like ours, rich in varied resources, with a free people of remarkable intelligence, is not driven to resort to' any expedients which would affect the public credit or the public debt, or disturb our harmonious relations in trade with foreign nations, but should adapt its money to the money of the civilized world, make it as good as any other money, and maintain its standard of value as high as that of any coin ever issued from the mint. Some of you who believe in " fiat " money say you desire the same result, but it is clear that you can only maintain this money at par with coin either by a careful limitation of its amount or by actual redemp- tion in coin when demanded. If that is what you mean by " fiat " money, then we wiU not disagree, but it is well known that those who advocate " fiat " money want to increase the amount beyond a sum that can be maintained at par with coin, and seek thus to cheapen money by making it less valuable than coin. I can imagine how a man deeply in debt and hoping to escape bank- ruptcy may .desire to cheapen the money in which his debt is to be paid, but why should a laboring man whose daily toil is measured by the money he receives desire to cheapen it ? Why should a farmer who sells his productions for money desire to lessen its purchasing power ? Why should a prudent, thrifty, industrious man engaged in any occupar tion, and who hopes by his thrift and industry to accumulate for him- seK a competence, desire to have his labor measured by a money of unstable value ? It is the interest of every one engaged in industrial employments, and who is not a speculator or a broker, to have a fixed standard of value. If any of you who labor or are farmers, mechanics, or belong to any of the industrial classes of life, have hope in a depre- ciated money, you are greatly misled. All the great men of our country, our Kevolutionary fathers and their descendents in the war of 1812, and the statesmen of the days of General Jackson, deeply felt the evils of irredeemable paper money, and experience led them to the conviction that gold and silver coin, or paper money well secured and convertible into gold and silver coin, was the best for all classes and for all industries. In these general views in favor of resumption adopted by the Re- publican party we have had the sympathy and concurrence of a certain portion of the Democratic party, who, though they have always by in- stinct and habit voted against every measure of the Republican party from the beginning of the war to this time, even in the darkest nour of the war, have always professed to be in favor of and talked in favor of good money redeemable in coin. This class of Democrats, though they opposed the resumption act, did it because they declared it to be a hindrance to resumption, and denounced us because we did not resume, sooner. This was the position of the last National Demo- cratic Convention. Senator Thurman, my colleague for many years in the Senate, was one of this class of Democrats ; and, although our financial measures did not exactly please him, and he generally voted against them, yet he freely said, like Mr. Bayard and others, that he desired resumption and stood by the old Jackson Democracy in favor of hard money. 39 610 SPEECHES AND REPORTS OF JOHN SHERMAN. The exigencies of party tactics have led him recentljy to make a speech, to which, with entire respect for him, I desire briefly to reply. So far as he seeks to show his consistency and concurrence with his fellow Democrats, it is a domestic matter, and I wiU not interfere, bnt some of the positions taken by him I must contest. He says : I tliink I do them no injnstioe when I say that the leaders of the Republican party are in favor of directly the opposite course — that is to say, they would retire all the greenbacks in order that their places might be filled with national-bank notes. Senator Thurman is greatly mistaken in this position. As I have already shown, the Republican party is not in favor of retiring the greenbacks in order that their place may be fiUed with national-bank notes. No doubt some Republicaiis, like some Democrats, are in favor of the United States withdrawing from the business of issuing paper money, but the Republican party has never taken such a position, and now distinctly maintains the right and duty of the Government to keep in circulation such an amount of United States notes as can be readily maintained at par with coin. In every law authorizing these notes there is a Hmit fixed to their amount. During the war the guarantee was made, and never has been vio- lated, that the amount should not exceed $400,000,000, and no author- ity has ever been conferred upon any officer of the Government to reduce the amount below $300,000,000, but now the minimum limit is fixed, as I have already stated, at $346,681,016. In his speech at Hamilton, Senator Thurman openly advocates in- creasing the amount of United States notes outstanding from $346,- 000,000 to $668,000,000 by issuing United States notes in j)lace of the national-bank notes outstanding. He declares that the principal feature of the Democratic platform is the proposed substitution of greenbacks for national-bank notes. He would thus render specie payments impos- sible during this and perhaps the next generation, and this at a time when specie resumption, which he has so strongly favored, is on the eve of success. The position of the Republican party is in favor of greenbacks re- stored to their normal condition of paper money, equS to coin and redeemable in coin on the demand of the holder, while the position of the Democratic party, as stated by Judge Thurman, is in favor of the issue and maintenance in circulation of $668,000,000 of United States notes without any provision whatever for their redemption or theii' conversion into coin. This issue is distinctly made, and for one I distinctly accept it. "We favor paper money redeemable in coin, and the largest amount that can be maintained at par with coin, while he favors an amount of paper issued directly by the Government, not convertible into coin, with no provision for its redemption, and to an amount which no one has claimed can be maintained at par with coin. He says it is just as easy to maintain $668,000,000 greenbacks at FINANCES. 611 par with coin as it is to maintain $346,000,000 greenbacks and $322,- 000,000 national-bank .notes at par with coin. But he forgets to state that the bank notes are payable in green- backs and not m coin, and that they are to be redeemed by the banks at their risk and expense, and not by the United States. No coin re- serve is needed by them for such redemption. The .issue of these notes aids in maintaining the United States notes at par with coin instead of obstructing it. The banks are required to keep in their vaults and in the Treasurjr of the United States an ample reserve of United States notes and boncis to redeem their notes, and thus give to the United States notes a use which tends to maintain them at par with coin. The whole burden now resting upon the Government is to maintain resumption upon the amount of United States notes, and this confess- edly can be done by a coin reserve of from thirty to forty per cent, (which reserve we now have on hand), while, if the whole amount of circulation, including national-bank notes, was in United States notes, no coin reserve that could be reasonably secured and maintained would be sufficient for the purpose of resumption. The bank notes are not. in any sense the notes of the Government. They are the notes of private corporations, amply secured, redeemed by them, maintained by them, or, if they fail to redeem them, the se- curity can at once be applied to their redemption. This expedient of allowing a portion of the circulation to be issued by private corpora- tions enables us to maintain in circulation nearly twice as much paper money as could be maintained at par in coin if issued directly by the Government. His plan would directly violate the provisions of the loan laws, under which both United States bonds and notes are issued, and which limit expressly the amount of United States notes to $400,000,000. It would be a violation of the public faith, and would impair at once the public credit, and do inconceivably more harm than it could give profit to the Government. This scheme of his conflicts directly with the decision of the Su- preme Court of the United States, and would, no doubt, be held un- constitutional because it provides for a very large increase of United States notes in a time of profound peace, where no such exigency as is contemplated by the Constitution or decision of the Supreme Court exists to justify their issue. It would at once drive out of existence the whole system of national banks which have been the means alone by which State banks have been prevented from issuing circulating notes. The only franchise the national banks receive from the Goveminent, which induces them to maintain their corporate existence, is the right, under limits fixed by law, to issue circulating notes. Take this from them, and they would at once cease, without exception, to be national banks, and would be organized again, as before the war, into State banks, -with such powers as any State might give them. The inevitable effect of this policy would be to revive again the system of State banks without any com- mon organization, without any security for their notes, upon such terms 612 SPEECHES AND REPORTS OF JOHN SHERMAN. as any State might prescribe, and thus all the evils of State-bank money, which the people experienced before the war, woidd recur again. Near- ly a generation has passed since the incongruous system of paper money which existed before the war was swept away by the national banking act. It is safe to say that the injury done to the people of the United States by the failure of State banks, by the uncertain value of their paper money, by its limited local circulation and by successful counter- feiting, was annually greater than the interest of the entire national- bank circulation of the United States. It is easy to oppose banking corporations. Instead of having polit- ical power, they are the weakest members of a community. Sav what you will of them, their substitution for State banks was one of tne wis- est and most beneficial acts of the general Government since the com- mencement of the war. Personally I have but little interest in or feel- ing for national banks. But for the benefits derived from them, I would not care what became of them. Their continued existence ought to depend upon their ability, without cost or trouble to the United States, to maintain their circulating notes at par with United States notes or coin. If they fail in this they ought to be abolished. If they do it they ought to be continued. Scattered through the United States, they are useful financial agents in exchanging the products of industry and in localizing capital. They paid last year to the Government of the United States $7,0Y6,087 in taxes, and for State and local taxes $9,701,- 732, or a total of $16,777,819, or nearly four million more than Judge Thunnan estimates we will save to the people by issuing greenbacks instead of the bank notes. These taxes would all be lost to the United States and to the States if the national banks were abolished. Their notes are secured beyond peradventure ; they are protected from coun- terfeiting far more successfully than any former system, and, to their credit be it said, not one dollar has been lost on any national-bank note ever issued. Wherever you go you may carry their notes with confi- dence, without examination as to where or when they were issued. They are good everywhere in the United States. Senator Thurman has stated some objections to the national banks, to which I will briefiy reply. He says : In the first place, a national-bank cniTency means the indefinite perpetnation of the public debt. As a national bank exists only for twenty yeai"s from the date of its organization, and is liable at any time by act of Congi-ess to be abolished, this does not seem a very potent objection. I am sorry to say that the prospect of paying our debt during the life of a national bank is not very flattering, nor is their existence likely to deter its pay- ment. As for the influence of these institutions, so much feared by Mr. Thurman, it is not an object of alarm, for it can not be combined ; or, if a combination were attempted, it could be overthrown by a single wave of popular opinion. His second objection to the national banking system is " that it tends to combine, concentrate, and intensify the money power." This, again, is an illusive fear. There is no power in this country FINANCES. 613 that is so weak in political management as wliat is called the money power. It never has been nor can it be concentrated so as to affect political questions. The tendency of our institutions makes it easy to combine at once political opinion and political power against it. Party organization is ininitely more powerful for combination than the money power. My own experience in office enables me to say that if jou convene ten bank presidents you will have ten different opinions, while party organization brings even Judge Thurman and General Ewing on the same platform. Nor is it true, as stated by Judge Thurman, that the legislation of Confess favored the money interest during the period of the sway of the Eepublican party, for this legislation was guided by the love of national unity and honor, and national existence. It tended to make our nation strong at home and respected abroad, and in no single ques- tion has it favored what is called the money interest. The vital issue between the two great parties has been, on the part of the Kepnblicans, a desire to maintain the integrity of the Union and abolish slavery, to secure equal political and civil rights to aU men, to maintain the national honor, and to advance the industrial inter- ests of the country, while the theory and policy of the Democratic party has been to belittle the National Government, to subordinate it to the power of the States, to preserve slavery, to leave industry without protection and support, and to sectionalize into petty com- munities the elements of a great and powerful nation ; and these are now, and wiU be in the future, the inevitable tendencies of these two parties. The third objection stated by him to the national-bank circula- tion is that it is a special privilege, and takes many millions out of the pockets of the people. This, again, is untrue in point of fact, and illogical in argument. The national-bank circulation is not a special privilege, but is open to every association of five persons that may be organized in any part of the United States. To caU it a special privilege is absurd. The same privilege might be granted to every individusS citizen of the United States, but "ex- perience shows that a corporation is more wisely administered when it is composed of a number of persons, not less than five, than when it is controlled by a single person ; and corporate authority is essential to preserve its existence in case of the death of a partner. But for this, the special privilege might be granted to every citizen who could give the requisite security for the redemption of the notes issued by him. As to putting money into the pockets of the share-holders, this again is absurd. The Government pays nothing and contributes no- thing to a bank. The share-holders buy the bonds of the Government and deposit them with the Government for the security of the note- holders. If the bank retires, the bonds belong to the share-holders, and not to the Government. Nor can the Government pay these bonds in any other way than it could pay the bonds in the hands of individuals. The Government would pay the same interest on these bonds, whether held by the bank or by. citizens, or in Europe. 614r SPEECHES AND EEPORTS OF JOHN SHERMAN. The reason why bonds are demanded as security is because they are the best security. But for this a mortgage security or a personal secu- rity might be taken, but as the Government security is the highest and best, this is demanded, not for the bienefit of the Government, but for the note-holder, for whom the Government is a mere trustee. When the Government pays to the bank interest on bonds held by it as a security, it only pays what is justly due and what it would have to pay at all events to anybody holding the bonds until they are redeemed. How it takes many millions annually out of the pockets of the peo- ple is hard to conceive. No one borrows the notes of the bank unless it is for jfiis interest to do so. The ability of the bank to lend is a convenience to the bor- rower as well as the lender. The Government can not engage in this business of loaning money. It would be a sorry time for the people other than political strikers, if the Government loaned money. This is purely a private, personal employment, that should be as free as blacksmithing. The right to issue notes is free to all on the same terms, and, when so guarded as to prevent loss to the note-holder, is the best possible means of increasing the amount of circulating notes. He says that the Government ought to issue these notes. The an- swer is that, if the Government issues them, it must undertake to maintain them at par with coin, or else the people must suffer from the evils of an irredeemable cun-ency. The cost to the banks of this redemption is ah'eady so great, before specie payments have actually come, that this so-called special privilege is getting to be a special bur- den, and more banks are surrendering their circulation than are taking circulation. It is a special privilege that more seek' to avoid than to acquire. Judge Thurman computes how much the United States would save if it issued $322,000,000 more of greenbacks and redeemed that amount of bonds. I do not stop to examine this computation, but I only wonder why he stopped at $322,000,000. Why not save the entire interest of the public debt by issuing greenbacks for the whole of it ? Why not repudiate it at once ? That would, according to his computation, save the entire interest of the public debt, or $93,000,000, with no other loss than the loss of national honor. What assurance has he that $322,000,000 will satisfy the more ad- vanced lights of repudiation ? How wiU he pay out the $322,000,000 ? Will he claim the right to pay the bonds at par with them ? Does he deny the moral and legal obligation by which they are to be paid in coin ? Does he propose to repudiate the act of 1869 ? The immediate effect of the commencement of such an issue would depreciate the notes lower and lower, would widen more and more the fap between the notes and coin, would revive again the distinction etween the bond-holder and the note-holdei' — gold for the bond-holder and depreciated paper money for the people. It would at once stop the funding operations undor wliich we save one third of the interest of the national debt. No man would buy either a four or a five or a ten per cent, bond in the face of an act oi repudiation. Again, as the notes depreciate, it becomes moi-e difficult to provide FINANOES. 615 coin for tlie payment of the interest ; would lie repudiate the obliga- tion to pay the interest in coin ? He says he is in favor of receiving greenbacks for customs duties. Will he, then, buy coin ? If so, his policy will already have advanced the value of coin. These are questions that so astute a reasoner as Judge Thurman ought f aii'ly to answer before he persuades the people to embark in his scheme. He proposes to issue more notes without anyprovision for their payment, when our revenues are ample to meet our expenditure, in a time of profound peace, when there is no motive of patriotism or duty or safety to impel such a course, and this merely to save the interest of four per cent, on $322,000,000. But this very act, if adopted, would prevent our selling a thousand million of four per cent, bonds with which to pay an equal amount of six per cent, bonds, and in this way would work an annual loss to the Government of $20,000,000, or $8,000,000 a year more than the entire saving proposed hj his policy. Again, what moral right has the Government of the United States to require its citizens to take its notes as money and a standard of value merely for the purpose of saving the interest on these bonds ? In a time of war we may concede such a right, but in a time of peace there is no legal or moral foundation for such a claim . unless the notes are maintained at par and redeemed at par. Is not the United States able to pay the interest of its notes ? Judge Thurman says there has been contraction of the currency. No one disputes that assertion. It is true that the currency has been contracted, but this has been done, not under the resumption act, but by the voluntary action of the banks. They are free to issue or retire their notes, and they have done so. If the special privilege about which he has discussed so much was so valuable to them, they would have increased their issues of bank notes, but instead of that the burden's imposed upon this privilege and the want of profitable use of money have induced the banks to reduce their circulation by a much greater amount than it has been increased, so that the effect has been a large decrease of the currency of the country, but it has not been caused by the resumption act. Under the resumpr tion act the amount of currency has been somewhat increased, since the amount of United States notes retired since its passage is, as he states it, $35,328,984. Bat there was issued to national banks in place of this $44,161,230 of circulating notes. ]!^ow, these are the objections stated to the national banks by Judge Thurman, and my answer to them. It comes back again to this : Shall we have in the United States a currency redeemable in coin ? "Will we, to save interest, bear in the future all the evils of an irredeemable currency, tear up a system of banks infinitely better than any ever before enjoyed in this country, compel these banks to call in their loans and close up their accounts, and add to the distress of the times by dangerous and almost revolu- tionary proceedings against corporations of our own creation, which have no special privileges, and which contribute to the general good by 616 SPEECHES AND REPORTS OF JOHN SHERMAN. paying large taxes and by acting as convenient localized agencies of loans and exchange. And here I might leave Judge Thurman's speech, but there are two or three points which I regret I have to answer. He says : The seat of the Chief Magistrate — that seat that in times past has been and in all times should be an emblem of purity and honor — is occupied by a man who was never elected to it, and whose elevation was accomplished by the grossest frauds and boldest usurpations that ever disgraced the history of a free people. This declaration is a gross injustice, and I believe Judge Thurman will live to regret that he ever made it. He was a member of the Electoral Commission which passed upon the returns of the votes of electors for President. He knows that every electoral vote of every State cast for President Hayes was received by him without dispute, without any pretension of fraud or error, except the votes of Oregon, Florida, and Louisiana. In Oregon there was an attempt by acknowledged agents of Governor Tilden to cheat — ^I use the word in its worst meaning — the PepubUcans out of that vote and to bribe an elector, and it failed. In Florida there had been great irregularities and frauds committed by the Demo- crats, which were met, to some extent, by frauds on the part of Eepub- lican officers ; but the evidence before the returning officers, as weU as that taken in the contest for the election of a member of the House of Representatives, shows that a majority of the votes in Florida were fairly cast for the Hayes electors. As to Louisiana, I ha;d better means of information than Judge Thurman, and I say to you that the criminal conspiracy by the Demo- cratic party of that State to control the election of 1876 so as to cast the vote oi the State for Governor Tilden, has never been fully told. It extended to more than ten parishes or counties, and held in absolute terror five EepubKcan parishes that had always since the war given about seven thousand Republican majority. It led to and included in its plan and scope scores of murders of Republicans, white and black, mainly intelligent black leaders of their race. It wounded, whipped, and maimed others, drove hundreds to the swamps at night, and spread universal terror among this ignorant and superstitious people, who had the same legal right, and a better moral right, to vote than their per- secutors, whose haiyls were only recently red with the blood shed in war against the Union. The chosen agents of this infamy were Democratic rifle-clubs fully armed, marching at night in disguise, distributing anonymous threats and occasionally executing them, and giving notice to leave the parish to the more intelligent, accompanied with mreats and devices to excite fear and terror. Such were the means used by the Democratic party to carry Louisi- ana. They may here and there induce a disappointed office-seeker like Anderson and Weber to falsify their former oaths, and even prevail upon poor iicfrroes like Amy Mitchell and Mrs. Pinkston to withdraw their former depositions ; but the scores of dead men killed by the rifle-clubs speak from their graves, and the men who killed them and rode their nightly rides of terror know in their hearts that all that has FINANCES. 617 been said of them is true. Tlie statements and affidavits made by these people were submitted to the local returning officers selected by the State Legislature, composed of two white men and two colored men, all natives of the South, and these men, who knew the surroundings and many of the facts, decided, in strict compliance with the law of that State, that under this law these parishes and polling-places must be ex- cluded, and it was done. Thus Governor Hayes got the vote of Louisi- ana as lawfully and fully as that of Ohio. All this cry of fraud and usurpation ought, in the minds of just men, to react with fearful effect against the' Democratic party ; for it was their organized crime and violence that created the doubt which the Returning Board and Electoral Commission decided in our favor. And it must be remembered in this connection that there is a strong conviction, at least among the EepubUcans in this country, that the States of Mississippi and Alabama were secured for Governor Tilden by the same unlawful means, but the laws of those States provided no remedy, and they were counted for Tilden. Judge Thurman should remember also that the history of the Demo- cratic party has been marked in the past by great crimes against the elective franchise. The frauds in Plaquemine Parish, Louisiana, and in New York City, in 18M, wiU be remembered by every Whig in the land. "Wholesale frauds committed in the city of New York in 1868, W which the vote of that State was cast for Seymour instead of for Grant, were disclosed by a Congressional committee, and are now ad- mitted facts. The frauds and crimes committed by the Democratic party in its attempt to organize the State of Kansas into a slave State were inves- tigated by me as a member of a Congressional committee, and, though disputed at the time much more stoutly than the Louisiana frauds, are now acknowledged as facts. The chief muds "in this country in elections have been organized by the Democratic party. One of the dangers which threaten the country if the Democratic party comes into power will be the bold and reckless use of election machinery to commit frauds and to organize violence, baUot-box-stuffing, and kindred crimes, as a part of our Amer- ican system of politics. The Eepubucan party, in the heat of party zeal, has done something in this way. I have no apology to make for such crimes— no sym- pathy with them — and would denounce and expose such wrongs, by whatever party committed ; but it is pretty hard for us Eepublicans to be lectured about election frauds by members of the Democratic party. Again, he says : Fellow citizens, nothing in politics seems more certain to me than that the Ke- publican leaders rest their hopes of a prolongation of their power upon the success that may attend a studied and energetic effort on their part to excite and perpetuate sectional feeling. It is a strange thing that the Eepublican party, distinguished for its national feeling, should be charged by the Democratic party with a desire to excite and perpetuate sectional feeling. The strength of the Democratic party to-day, as before the war, lies 618 SPEECHES AND REPORTS OF JOHN SHERMAN. in a united South, lield, not only by sectional feeling, but by sectional feeling antagonistic to the Union, intensified by its early advocacy of States rights, its attempt at secession, and by four years of bloody and unsuccessful war against the Union. This sectional feeling is so ram- pant that it ostracizes native white men who become Eepublicans, holds in terror the entire black population, and by intimidation and ostracism prevents the free expression of opinion and the free vote of Eepubli- cans at elections in the South. The South is determined to be sec- tional, and as a section dominates the counsels of the Democratic party. No intelligent man can doubt that if in the cotton States there was an open, fair opportunity to establish newspapers, to carry on a can- vass, and to appeal to the natural instincts and interests of the voters of those States, a majority of every one of them would be with the Eepubhcah party. The policy of President Hayes, his earnest desire and hope, is to destroy sectionalism, to invite by kindness and forbearance a like kind- ness and forbearance to the Eepubhcans of the South. If this effort fails the South will be a slumbering volcano, which some day will break forth in retaliation and crime. For free men having constitu- tional rights can not be chained by violence. Intelligence and organ- ization willsoon enable them to assert their rights or deter the practice of such violence. The Eepublican party is purely a national party. Its instincts are national, its policy is national. In no Eepublican State could anything like opposition to freedom of speech, freedom of the press, free discus- sion be tolerated, nor would any one for a moment be allowed to be deterred from voting as he pleased ; while in some of the Democratic States in the South, such a thing as free speech and free press and reasonable toleration of opinion is scarcely recognized. The dominant press would denoimce as a crime what we here m the North regard as the right of every citizen — to speak and vote as he chooses. In the face of these facts the following statement by Judge Thui^ man seems to me the caricature of truth and justice : It is not enough that the South has frankly and manfully accepted the results of the war ; that, waiving all questions as to the mo^e of their adoption, no voice is raised against the binding force of the constitutional amendments; that every law passed by a radical Congress, however doubtful its constitutionality, or manifest its injustice and impolicy, is nevertheless obeyed. I pass over, as a matter of taste, the inference he raises against the mode of adoption of the constitutional amendments, and the doubt he, expresses as to the constitutionality of the laws to enforce them — to say tha;t the Democratic party has not frankly and manfully accepted the results of the war ; that it does not accept, observe, or enforce the constitutional amendments or the laws passed in aid of them. It is precisely of tliis that the Eepublican party complains ; it will try to enforce, and, though temporarily divided and defeated, will continue to demand, and will certainly in time secure, the observance of these amendments. It was the organized plan to deprive the Eepublicans in Louisiana of the right to vote that occasioned the controvej-sy there, and so in Mississippi and South Carolina. FIFAN^OES. 619 I have no doubt that many of the planters, business men, and prop- erty-holders of the South, now acting with the Democratic party, aire anxious to and in time will be able to protect the blacks in their rights, but they are not the dominating influence in the South. It is not they who, like Judge Thurman, denounce President Hayes as a usurper and a fraud, but thousands of them acknowledge that the policy adopted by the Ke;publican party to the people of the South at the close of the war was without example in generosity in the history of the world, and they gratefully acknowledge that the policy of President Hayes will secure to the South peace, order, and prosperity. But I, who supported this policy and snared in it, feel as do Eepub- licans generally, that the South has never frankly or manfully responded to it. They do not enforce the amendments. They do not give equal civil and pohtical rights to either white or black Kepublicans. They do not permit or tolerate that free expression of opinion, discussion, and action essential to a republican government ; but, by their adherence to the very elements in the North that encouraged them to rebellion, that brought upon them the very waste and desolation of which they complain, they repel aU efforts to break down the sectionalism of the past, and make it vitally necessary again to concentrate the people of the North in order to secure peace, order, and liberty. Judge Thurman, in conclusion, says : Do you wisli the Union preserved? Then support those who would bind it to- gether by the ties of fraternal feeling and a common interest, as well as by constitu- tions and laws. Do you revere justice and advocate equality of rights? Then sup- port the party on whose banner "Justice and Equality" are indelibly inscribed. " Do you wish the Union preserved ? " What party ever threatened this Union ? What party was arrayed in arms against it during the war, and what sacrifices were made for it in the North ? Did ever any Kepublican seek to disturb the Union? "Justice and Equality!" When did the Democratic party distinguish itself for justice and equality ? Perhaps, fellow citizens, as an executive officer, I have erred in following Senator Thurman in so much of his speech as is purely politi- cal, but I am none the less a Kepublican and a partisan, and I trust the time will never come when I will cease to have pride in the merits and past achievements of the great party to which we belong. It is rather hard to have the Kepublican party, which has done so much for the existence and honor of our country, assailed so unjustly by Democrats, who, during the trying time of our history, have been passive and neutral. I promise you now to adhere, during the brief time I will detain you, to the business topics in which we are all alike interested. Judge Thurman says : Now, certainly no one will deny that this country has for the last five years suffered, as perhaps no other country ever did suffer, from depression in every branch of business in every industrial occupation. I deny this statement m toto. That this country has suffered from depression in many branches of business and in many industrial occu- pations I admit, but every civilized and Christian country in the world 620 SPEECHES AND REPORTS OF JOHN" SHERMAN; has suffered to a greater de^ee. In comparison with anj nation of modern times our condition m every respect is more prosperous and happy. If you read the English, French, or German papers, you will findT that our causes of complaint are nothing to be compared with theirs, while in our country there are many circumstances which relieve the general depression. Let me name some of the hopeful signs of the times. The whole period since the war, and before the panic, waa a debt- contracting period. From July 1, 1863, to July 1, 1873, our iim)ort8 exceeded our exports in the enormous sum of $1,047,069,219. Much of this was for silks and furbelows, contracted for in the faith of comer lots marked up, of inflated fortunes suddenly acquired ; but most of it was for articles that our own labor should have produced. It repre- sented foreign capital loaned to our citizens and to corporations, and paid for in government and corporation bonds and private notes. The same causes produced extravagant prices here. "Wild schemes, railroads built twenty years in advance of their need, reckless expendi- tures, led to the contracting of numerous debts, and to the mortgaging of our corporations, homes, and farms. Since the panic the whole condition of our trade and business has changed. Since 1874 our exports have exceeded our imports in the sum of $507,459,237. During the last fiscal year the excess of exports was $257,459,250, the aggregate of our exports reaching the sum of $680,683,798, and during this fiscal year this excess is increasing. This is a debt-paying process. The great body of the debts contracted before the panic is now settled, either by payment, or bankruptcy, or readjustment. At one time it was estimated that the amount of United States bonds held abroad approached $1,000,000,000. Two years ago the gen- eral estimate was about $600,000,000. If ow, after the most careful exam- ination, it is estimated somewhere near $200,000,000 to $250,000,000. The common fear expressed for the success of any plan of resump- tion was that foreign nations could at once, by a return of our bonds, exhaust our gold and thus defeat resumption ; but this is no longer to be feared when the surplus exports for a single year would pay off every dollar of our national debt held beyond the hmits of the United States. Last winter, when an exaggerated fear prevailed in Europe as to the effect of the silver bill, $60,000,000 of our bonds were promptly absorbed by our own people in sixty days ; and, although this stopped the sale of bonds by the Treasury, it strengthened our position by bringing them home. Another favorable sign of the times is the very large increase of domestic production, both of the farm and of the workshop, which not only fill the place of goods heretofore imported, but enable us to com- pete with foreign nations in their own markets. I have here a recent table showing the increase of leading exports of our own production. This shows that our expoi-ts of cotton, iron, steel, copper, leather, and other manufactures have increased within ten years nearly twofold, and that the exports of our agricultural imple- FINANCES. 621 ments and provisions have increased nearly threefold. The total amount of certain leading commodities exported in 1868 was $141,000,000, and in 1878 was 1404,000,000, showing an increase of $263,000,000. Another table shows that our importation of certain fabrics which we can readily make in this country has diminished nearly one half. Of textile fabrics, including manufactures of cotton, silk, clothing,, and dress goods, the amount imported into this country in 1873 was $159,- 000,000 _; the amount imported in 1878 was $85,000,000, making a diminution of $74,000,000, most of which was supplied by our own production. The imports of iron and steel in various forms in 1873 was $59,- 308,452, while in 1878 it had fallen to $9,057,633, showing a diminu- tion of $50,250,849. This falling off was supplied by our own industry. The total of the leading manufactures named in this table imported in 1873 was $272,957,633, and during the fiscal year ending June 30, 1878, it was $12i,211,734, making a falling off of $148,747,899. This great decrease was especially noticeable in the imports of manufactures of cotton, silk, wool, iron, and steel. This increase of our exports and diminution of our imports is per- haps the most remarkable in modern times. We are competing in cotton fabrics with Manchester, in cutleiy with Sheffield, in iron and steel with Birmingham, in watches with Switzerland, and in gloves with France. It is a debt-paying and trade- developing process that is adding immensely to our wealth. Our progress toward resumption is accompanied by increased na- tional credit, and by a large reduction of the interest of the public debt. Under the refunding act, which is designed to convert our six per cent, bonds into bonds bearing a lower rate of interest, we have already sold at par in coin, $5O0,O0O,O0O of five per cent, bonds, $246,000,000 of four and a haK per cent, bonds, and $135,000,000 of four per cent. bonds, the proceeds of which (except $90,000,000 sold for gold coin now in hand) have been applied to pay an equal amount of six per cent, debt, making an annual saving in the interest of the debt of $10,000,000 ; and we are now daily selling the four per cent, bonds directly to the people upon the basis of a popular loan in sums as low as $50. These bonds have become the savings banks of the people, a safe deposit for their surplus money, always available for use when needed, and depending upon the honor of the nation, and, therefore, safe from loss. The most satisfactory feature of this loan is that it is held in small sums by great numbers of our fellow citizens, and is distributed through- out all the States in the Union. During the first twenty days of the present month our sales of four per cent, bonds amount to $20,000,000, and I now have the confident assurance that during this year they will exceed $100,000,000, and vnll pay off all the five-twenty six per cent, bonds of the issue of 1865. The United States is now the largest producer of gold and silver in the world. During the last year the estimated production of gold was $45,000,000, and of silver $39,000,000 ; and though the Comstock lode gives evidence of exhaustion, other mines are being discovered, and the 622 SPEECHES AND REPORTS OF JOHN SHERMAN. probabilities ^re tbat our production will increase rather tban diminish. This is an important element in the question of our ability to maintain resumption. Then, again, the enormous development of our agricultural produc- tion, the chief employment of our people, gives a source of wealth and {)rosperity unexampled in any nation in modem times. From the Afc- antic to the Pacific, from Canada to the Gulf of Mexico, our countnr has been blessed with bountiful harvests, assuring plenty of food to all our people, and an increase of our exports to Europe. I understand that a rich stream of wheat is now pouring into your port for shipment. It is this industry which lies at the foundation of our prosperity, and which invites now millions of laborers to aid in the development of uncultivated lands. The war withdrew from agriculture millions of laborers who are again invited to join in this most nealthful and happy pursuit of life, and the crowded cities are freely invited to send their surplus population to fruitful fields and bountiful harvests. After the war of 1812 the migration commenced which peopled Ohio, Indiana, and Illinois ; and, although there are no such rich lands open now for settlement, yet Texas, Kansas, Nebraska, and the whole tier of States west of the Missouri river, together with the undeveloped Territories of the West, invite migration and insure to labor a just reward, and offer facilities for transportation and settlement that our fathers did not enjoy. And now, fellow citizens, in conclusion, let me invite your attention briefiy to the agitation of the labor question, not only in this country, but in other countries where production has exceeded consumption and thrown out of employment many industrious laboring men, and paralyzed important branches of . industry, especially of the iron and coal industries. I know that in some places labor is depressed, that wages are low, that many a willing hand finds it hard to get work, and sometimes hungiT men, women, and children want food and clothing ; and shame be to him who does not sympathize with such suffering and relieve it if possible. No wonder that honest labor grows soured at the inequali- ties of life, and sometimes listens to the cry of the demagogue that human laws have caused this distress, and that if he was in oflBce he could furnish redress. The same distress in a far greater degree exists in Great Britain, France, Germany, and all civilized nations, whatever may be their forms of currency or standards of value. The only remedy would seem to be to pursue new industries and seek new markets to be supplied. Our own country is blessed with cheap lands inviting labor, and the energy of our own people, as I have shown, is already discovering increased employment in supplying productions heretofore made abroad, and in sending our home productions to foreign countries. All that the Gov- ernment can do within its limited powers it ought to do to encourage, protect, and foster labor. And I can say of our laws and institutions that they are far more favorable to the laboring man than those of any other country ; and any idea, or reform, or measure that is proposed to relieve and protect FINANCES. , 623 labor finds in the Eepublican partjr its earnest and sympathetic advo- cate. That party has done more ior the protection and development of labor than any other. Our Constitution and laws guarantee to every man equal civil and political rights. Property is more equally distributed here than else- where, except in France ; and, excluding the negroes who but recently acquired the right to vote, a greater proportion of our citizens are prop- erty-holders. More than two thirds of our voters, with this exception, are property-holders, and the rest want to be, hope to be, and can be. This country of ours is not a permanent field for tramps and com- munists. Our laws for the distribution of property tend directly and rapidly to distribute large estates. Property here is required to pay more tribute to labor than in any country in the world. Property educates the children, maintains all your charitable insti- tutions, your streets, roads, and local improvements, and all parts of National, State, and local government. The- very few taxes that attach to those who have no property are on whisky, tobacco, and beer, which are voluntary taxes. If the Government can do more to protect labor, it will. It offers to every citizen a homestead on the public lands. It offers every man an equal chance. Every office and honor is open to equal competition, and it gives to no man rank, title, or advantage except what he himself acquires. This is all that a free government can do. It can not take the prop- erty of the riyh and divide it among the poor. It can not, as is pro- posed, take the public treasure, collected by taxes, and distribute it in any other way than for the limited proper objects provided for by the Constitution. It can not control contracts men make with each other, except where they are grossly immoral or violate public .policy. Its office is spent when it secures freedom, equality, and an equal chance in the race of life. While the sympathies of the Republican party must ever be with the laboring man, it can not violate the fundamental principles of free government, in order to favor any class, or refuse to protect any class in the enjoyment of life, property, and the fruits of labor. In -the general management of your affairs the Republican party has done all that it could do to develop the national resources and maintain the national honor, to protect all men in equal rights, to secure to all men equal privileges and an equal chance in life ; and it is ready to adopt any proper and constitutional mode of relieving distress and ad- vancing the interests of any portion of the people. I can safely appeal to all of you who have shared in the honors and labors of this party, to still stand by its flag, now that the difficulties of the recent past are passing away, with the full hope that our country, always advancing and prospering since liberty was first proclaimed by our Revolutionary fathers, is still destined to advance, under the guidance of the Repub- lican party, to higher honor and greater prosperity. 624 SPEECHES AND EEPORTS OF JOHN SHERMAN. APPENDIX A. Values of the prmeipal commodities of domestic production, the exportation of which greatly increased from June 30, 1868, to June SO, 1878. COMMODITIES. TEAE BSDIHO JUHE 80. 1868. 18T8. Agricultural implements $678,881 788,895 68,980,997 1,616,220 939,280 4,871,054 406,612 6,389,429 1,414,3/2 2,918,448 21,810,676 30,278,253 $2,676,198 6,844,653 181,774,507 2,359,467 8,078,349 11,436,628 1,376,969 12,084,048 8,077,659 5,096,168 46,574,974 123,546,986 $1,901,817 5,111,258 112,793,510 848,247 . 2,139,099 6,664,674 970,467 6,694,619 6,663,287 2,181,715 Live animals Bread and breadstuff's Coal Copper, brass, and manufactures of. . . Cotton, manufactures of Fruit Iron, steel, and manufactures of Leather, and manufactures of. Oil-cake Coal oil and petroleum 24,764,298 98,271,783 Provisions , Total $140,926,987 $408,826,601 $262,899,614 APPENDIX B. Values of the principal commodities of foreign production, the importation of which greatly decreased from June SO, 187S, to June SO, 1878. COMMODITIES. Clocks, watches, and materials .... Textiles ; Manufactures of cotton Manufactures of flax Manufactures of silk Clothing. Wool: Unmanufactured Carpets Dress goods Other manufactures of. Total textiles Iron and Steel: Bar, rod, sheet, and hoop Iron in pigs Bailroad bars Anchors, chains, and other Steel ingots, bars, etc Steel cutlery, saws, etc Total iron and steel Copper, brass, and manufactures of Lead in pigs and bars Tin and tin plates India rubber and gutta pcrcha Tea Grand total TAIVB IMPOBTED DUBINO TEAB 'ENDING Decrease since 1873. June SO, 1878. June 80, 18T8. $3,274,826 $812,682 $2,462,243 $29,752,116 20,428,391 29,835,867 8,561,161 20,433,938 4,888,267 19,447,797 26,626,721 $14,398,791 11,490,768 19,701,731 6,676,789 8,363,016 398,389 12,066,806 12,269,862 $16,353,325 8,937,833 10,134,136 1,874,372 12,070,923 3,989,868 7,891,991 14,856,869 $169,464,248 $86,356,131 $74,109,117 $7,477,556 18,847,281 19,740,702 8,694,900 4,166,234 10,492,779 $1,680,707 1,260,057 630 920,790 1,220,087 4,086,612 $6,846,849 12,597,224 19,740,172 2,674,110 2,936,197 6,467,267 $69,808,462 $9,067,688 $60,260,819 $8,966,471 8,222,627 18,866,663 900,187 24,466,170 $617,188 863,986 12,112,582 242,664 15,660,168 $3,849,288 2,868,691 6,244,121 657,628 8,806,002 $272,969,633 $124,211,784 $148,747,899 CONDITION OF THE OOUNTKY. 625 CONDITION OF THE COUNTET. 8PEEGH AT GUMBEBLAND, MARYLAND, OOTOBER ^, 1878. The best return for the kind reception you have given the President and his associates will be to confine myself, in the brief speech he de- sires me to make, to a statement of such facts as will exhibit the finan- cial condition of our country. I take it that most of you are farmers, and that all, including the lawyers and doctors — who, though not good producers, are very good consumers — are interested in the grovrth and development of the trade, commerce, and industries of our country. I wish to state some facts, taken mainly from the records of the Treasury Department, which wiU tend, I think, to show you that our business condition is improving, and that though we have, in common with other nations, siiEEered from depressed trade and industry, yet that the causes for this are passing away, and that now the signs are hopeful and cheering. < One mode of testing the condition of a country is by its foreign trade. There are a good many theories about the balance of trade, but one thing we all understand to be as true of a nation as of an individual. If one sells more than he buys, he grows richer — especially is this true of the products of a farm if it is all the time improving ; if he buys more than he sells, he grows poorer. Tested by this simple rule, the condition of our country is now very satisfactory — ^more so than ever before in our history. We have imported goods from foreign countries during the last twelve months to the value of $430,855,017 ; we have sold to foreign countries during the same period goods to the value of $720,484,171 ; thus leaving a balance in our favor of $289,629,154. This is a much larger balance in our favor than has ever occurred before in our history, and this balance is represented either by debts paid by us or money paid to us — ^mostly by debts paid by us. AH this sum has been returned to us from Europe either in bonds of the United States or in other securities held abroad, or in money ; and this favora- ble balance of trade has now continued for four or five years, so that our debt to Europe is mostly paid, and our country is rapidly ceasing to be a debtor nation except to its own citizens. Another simple mode of testing our financial condition ig by the increase or decrease of our domestic productions. Here again we are in a satisfactory condition. Nearly all domestic productions have largely increased, and especially those of the farm and workshop. Compared with 1870, when our domestic productions were stated at $6,800,000,000, they have largely increased. The great increase in some of the principal productions which con- stitute the basis of our material prosperity is shown by the following table : 40 SPEECHES AND REPORTS OF JOHN SHERMAN. Production. COMMODITIES. TBAE. 1878. 18T8. Com Wheat Bye Oats Cotton bushels. do. do. do. bales. 932,274,000 281,254,700 16,142,000 270,340,000 8,930,508 1,342,558,000 365,094,000 21,170,100 406,394,000 4,811,265 By comparing tlie figures of 1877 with those of the census year of 1870, it appears mat the total production of coal in the United States rose from 32,860,690 tons in 1870 to 54,308,000 tons in 1877, and that the production of pig iron in the United States increased from 1,865,- 000 tons in 1870 to 2,314,585 tons in 1877. The production of petroleum (now constituting one of the most im- portant articles of exportation) increased from 5,673,195 barrels in 1870 to 13,135,671 barrels in 1877. Compared with any former year, the aggregate of these productions has Tery largely increased. We are blessed by Divine Providence with fruitful seasons, and these have been improved by the industry of our people. This vast aggregate of wealth, though won by hard labor not very well paid, greatly improves our financial condition, and enables us to look into the future without fear of want, and with an abundance with which to pay our debts and supply the wants of Europe. Another good sign is in the growing diversity of our productionB. The wealth of a country depends upon this. No country can be pros- perous whose industry is coimned to one pursuit. We are now maJdng at home many articles that we formerly imported. The fact that, with respect to certain of the great manufacturing industries, we have ob- tained control of our own markets, is shown by the great falling off in the importation of certain commodities from 1873 to 1878. This is indicated by the following table : COMMODITIES. mPOKTED DURING THE TEAS ENDED JrNE .HO. ISTiJ. 1ST8. Manufactures of cotton $29,752,116 20,428,891 29,886,867 4,888,267 8,966,471 19,740,702 $14,898,791 11,490,758 19,701,781 898,889 617,188 630 Manufactures of silk Manufactures of carpets Copper, brass, and other manufactures of And so I might go on through an immense category of the products of our industries. "While the importation of railroad bai's fell off to the extent shown above, from $19,000,000 to $530, the production of iron and steel bars in the United States increased from 2,958,141 tons during the five years from 1867 to 1871 to 4,056,340 tons during the five years from 1873 to CONDITION" OF THE OOUNTEY. 627 1877 — an increase of thirty-seven per cent. Now we supply our own wants of the same articles by domestic manufacture. Not only this, but we have so increased our skill in the industrial arts that we are largely supplying our home markets with certain of the more important articles of manufacture, which but a few years ago we imported in large qxiantities, and this in face of the hard times of the last six years. We have also greatly increased the exportation of certain com- modities to foreign countries. I vsdll mention a few of the principal of these commodities: The exportation of manufactures of cotton increased from $2,947,- 528 during the year ending June 30, 1873, to $11,435,628 during the year ending June 30, 1878. Our exports of iron and manufactures of iron, including steel, rose from $10,000,000 in 1873 to $12,000,000 in 1878. Our exports of leather and manufactures of leather increased from $5,305,000 in 1873 to $8,077,000 in 1878 ; and our exports of copper and brass and manufactures thereof rose from $753,000 during the year 1873 to $3,078,000 during the year 1878. The schedule might be extended so as to embrace many highly wrought products of industry, including watches, clocks, sewing-ma- chines, locomotives, cars, steam-machinery, etc., etc. We are now com- peting with our productions in the different marts of the world in all the leading articles of manufacture. Another hopeful sign is the better distribution of our population. The tendency since the war has been to concentrate into cities. All the large cities grew rapidly, but the farms and villages were deserted. While the waste of war and the excitement of inflated prices lasted, cities flourished ; but when the bubble burst and reverses came, the blow fell mainly upon the cities. Corner lots fell and paper fortunes disappeared in a day. Thousands of men were thrown out of work. They could not comprehend the cause. Many of these, by reviving business, are now again employed; but tens of thousands have bet- tered their condition by seeking new homes in the West and South, where rich land and fruitful harvests invite them to the' cultivation of the soil, the highest employment of life. All accounts concur that the population of Texas, Kansas, Nebraska, Iowa, and Minnesota has very largely increased during the last two years. In these Western homes some of your old comrades have found the star of their Hfe. Another hopeful sign is the advancing credit of our country. Cer- tainly every American citizen will take pride in the fact that our four per cent, bonds are daily taken at par in coin. Though the rate of interest is low, yet the feeling of trust and security in the good faith and honor of our people makes every one feel safe when he holds a Government bond. The amount of these bonds sold last year was $74,900,000, and this year, thus far, $83,359,850 ; in all, $158,259,850. AH of these bonds are held by our own citizens, and three fourths of them by small investors, or by savings banks and insurance companies. This process enables us rapidly to pay off our six per cent, bonds, and reduce the interest paid by the Government one third. 628 SPEECHES AND REPORTS OF JOHN SHERMAN. Another mode of testing our financial condition is in our economy. Here again we all know there has been an improvement. Economy has been the rule, not only of the nation, but of every family. The extravagance of a period of inflation produced the bitter effects of the panic under which we have suffered ; but this suffering has com- pelled thrift, economy, and great prudence, and these homely virtues nave brought us rich rewards. Debts have been paid. This thrift has extended to the National Government, so that our national ex- penses have largely decreased. In 1873 they amounted to $290,345,- 245. During the last year they amounted to $236,964,326. Both parties, perhaps I had better say all parties, are claiming credit for this, and the people wish them a generous rivalry in pushing forward this good work. But the question upon which I know, fellow citizens, you desire most to hear from me, is about our currency — whether our currency is to be restored to the specie standard, and our industry to be measured by the solid coin of the world. Here again our condition is greatly improved. Six years ago, in 1873, when the panic came upon us like a thief in the night, without warning or notice, our paper money, which measured all values, was worth only eighty-six cents on the dollar in coin ; now it is worth with- in a very small traction of the best coin issued from the mint. Then the bond-holder received gold and the laboring man received depreci- ated paper money. This distinction was made necessary during the war in order to sell our bonds, yet it was a matter of complaint that this discrimination was not removed as soon as practicable. This is now almost accomplished, and who would desire it otherwise? AU money should have equal value, and the best standard is coin money. I do not say that coin money should be the only money ; for I believe that paper money equal to coin is, for current purposes, more convenient than coin money ; but the only test of its equality to coin is that it is redeemable in coin on the demand of the holder. I have no wish to enter upon the controverted political question whether the best mode has been adopted to bring this about, for upon this point we might honestly differ; but upon one point I think we can aU agree, that having gold, silver, and paper money so near to each other, we will not allow the gap to widen again, but that all money shall be of equal purchasing power, so that the rich and the poor, the bond-holder and the note-holder, the land-owner and the laborer, may have, as he chooses, either form of money for his labor and productions. I am frequently asked whether we can maintain the equality of this money after resumption. I say, without hesitation, that we can do so ; but we must not force the issue of either form of money when its con- venience, the popular demand for it, and the separate uses for which it is designed, will not keep it at par with the other. Under the resumption act of 1875, the maintenance of resumption after January, 1879, was a very easy problem. It was resumption upon $300,000,000 of United States notes, and upon one coin, that of gold. Congress, by law, requires resumption upon $346,000,000 of United States notes. It also requires resumption upon gold and silver coin, OONDITIOIT OF THE COUNTRY. 629 but tlie bullion in tbe two coins is of unequal yalue, tbe silver in the dollar being worth in gold only eighty-three cents. If the market value of these metals was at or about the relative value fixed by law for their coinage, resumption in both metals would be much easier than in. either. It would be very easy to resume in silver doUars alone, but it is resumption in gold coin, as well as silver, that is provided for by law as well as by public policy. The coining of $2,000,000 monthly of silver dollars of full l ega l tender is a disturbing element which we can not now compute. We can only hope that, before the issue of silver is greatly iacreased. Congress wiU either limit its amount or make it contain enough silver to be equal in value to gold. We have now in circulation $346,000,000 of greenbacks, of which more than sixty millions is held in reserve. We have now $137,000,000 in gold and silver coin and bullion in the Treasury, over and above all other coin liabilities, to redeem any notes that are presented. It is be- lieved that the superior convenience of paper money for all the uses of life will make it pass readily in preference to gold and silver as long as the Government shows a determination to maintain it at par with coin, and will freely use its ample powers for that purpose. Gold is now coming to us from Europe for our productions. We are buying gold and silver in North Carolina, Colorado, Nevada, California, and Mon- tana at par with paper money, and our mines are now yielding annu- ally one hundred millions of precious metals to reenforce our stock. We have as a supplemental or ancillary paper money three hundred and twenty-two millions of bank notes, absolutely secured beyond dan- ger of loss, issued by corporations scattered through the countrv, and abundantly able and required to keep their notes at par, and, if they fail, with assets in our hands ample to make their promise good. I therefore say with confidence that, unless the people prefer irredeema- ble money, we will have redeemable money at par with gold coin, unless the people demand that silver coin of a kind less valuable than gold coin shall be issued in such quantities as to drive out of circula- tion gold coin, and thus become the sole standard of value. But the brightest promise of the future is that our people, inhabiting the fairest portion of a continent, fresh for profitable labor, are becom- ing day by day one people, united ■ in hope, confidence, and fraternity ; that the jealousies, dissensions, and sectional contests of the past are disappearing. Accursed be the man who would reopen these dissen- sions, or would deny to any man the free and equal and peaceable enjoyment of any right given to him by the Constitution and laws of our land. It is only on this platform we can build our hopes for the future. If we can all stand on this, there is no hope or aspiration for our country we may not indulge — ^peace, plenty, and prosperity, lib- erty, equality, and fraternity — the law as our master and guide. 630 SPEECHES AND REPORTS OF JOHN SHERMAN. AJWUAL EEPOKT TO CONGEESS. • Tbbasobt Depabtment, Washimotos-, D. C, December 2, 1878. Sm: ******** The important duty imposed on this Department by the resumption EQt, approved January 14, 1875, has been steadily pursued during the past year. The plain purpose of the act is to secure to all interests and aU classes the benefits of a sound curt-ency, redeemable in coin, with the least possible disturbance of existing rights and contracts. Three of its provisions have been substantially carried into execution by the gradual substitution of fractional coin for fractional currency, by the free coinage of gold, and by free banking. There remains only the completion of preparations for resumption in coin on the 1st day of January, 1879, and its maintenance thereafter upon the basis of exist- ing law. At the date of my annual report to Congress in December, 1877, it was deemed necessary as a preparation for resumption to accumulate in the Treasury a coin reserve of at least forty per cent, of the amount of United States notes outstanding. At that time it was anticipated that under the provisions of the resumption act the volume of United States notes would be reduced to $300,000,000 by the 1st day of January, 1879, or soon thereafter, and that a reserve in coin of $120,000,000 would then be sufficient. Congress, however, in view of the strong popular feeling against a contraction of the currency, by the act ap- proved May 31, 1878, forbade the retirement of any United States notes after that date, leaving the amount in circulation $346,681,016. Upon the principle of safety upon which the Department was acting, that forty per cent, of coin was the smallest reserve upon which resumption could prudently be commenced, it became necessary to increase the coin reserve to $138,000,000. At the close of the year 1877 this coin reserve, in excess of coin liabilities, amounted to $63,016,050.96, of which $15,000,000 were ob- tained by the sale of four and a half per cent., and $25,000,000 by the sale of four per cent, bonds, the residue being surplus revenue. Sub- sequently, on the 11th day of April, 1878, the Secretaiy entered into a contract with certain bankers in New York and London — the parties to the previous contract of June 9, 1877, already communicated to Congress — for the sale of $50,000,000 four and a half per cent, bonds for resumption purposes. The bonds were sold at a premium of one and a half per cent, and accrued interest, less a commission of one half of one per cent. The contract has been fulfilled, and the net pro- ceeds, $50,500,000, have been paid into the Treasury in gold coin. The $5,500,000 coin paid on tlio Halifax award have been replaced by the sale of that amount of four per cent, bonds sold for resumption purposes, making the aggregate amount of bonds sold for these pur- poses $95,500,000, of which $65,000,000 were four and a half per cent, bonds, and $30,500,000 four per cent, bonds. To this has been added ANNUAL EEPOET TO CONGRESS; 631 tlie surplus revenue from time to time. The amount of coin held in the Treasury on the 23d day of November last, in excess of coin suffi- cient to pay all accrued coin liabilities, was $141,888,100, and consti- tutes the coin reserve prepared for' resumption purposes. This sum will be diminished somewhat on the 1st of January next by reason of the large, amount of interest accruing on that day in excess of the coin revenue received meanwhile. In anticipation of resumption, and in view of the fact that the redemption of United States notes is mandatory only at the office of the Assistant Treasurer in the city of New York, it was deemed im- portant to secure the cooperation of the associated banks of that city in the ready collection of drafts on those banks and in the payment of Treasury drafts held by them. A satisfactory arrangement has- been made by which all drafts on the banks held by the Treasury are to be paid at the clearing house, and all drafts on the Treasury held by them are to be paid to the clearing house at the office of the Assistant Trea- surer, in IJnited States notes ; and, after the 1st of January, United States notes are to be received by them as coin. This will greatly lessen the risk and labor of collections both to the Treasury and the banks. Every step in these preparations for resumption has been accompa- nied with increased business and confidence. The accumulation of coin, instead of increasing its price, as was feared by many, has stead- ily reduced its premium in the market. The depressiag and ruinous losses that followed the panic of 1873 had not diminished in 18'Y5, when the resuinption act passed ; but every measure taken in the exe- cution or enforcement of this act has tended to lighten these losses and to reduce the premium on coin, so that now it is merely nominal. The present condition of our trade, industry, and commerce, hereafter more fully stated, our ample reserves, and the general confidence inspired in our financial condition, seem to justify the opinion that we are pre- pared to commence and maintain resumption from and after the first day of January, a. d. 18Y9. The means and manner of doing this are left largely to the discre- tion of the Secretary, but, from the nature of the duty imposed, he must restore coin and bullion, when withdrawn in the process of re- demption, either by the sale of bonds, or the use of the surplus reve- nue, or of the notes redeemed from time to time. The power to sell any of the bonds described in the refunding act continues after as well as before resumption. Though it may not be often used, it is .essential to enable this Department to meet emergen- cies. By its exercise it is anticipated that the Treasury at any time can readily obtain coin to reenforce the reserve already accumulated. United States notes must, however, be the chief means under existing law with which the Department must restore coin and bullion when withdrawn in process of redemption. The notes, when redeemed, must necessarily accumulate in the Treasury until their superior use and convenience for circulation enable the Department to exchange them at par for coin or bullion. The act of May. 31, 1878, already refeiTed to, provides that when SPEECHES AND KEP0BT8 OF JOHN SHERMAN. United States notes are redeemed or received in the Treasury under any law, from any source whatever, and shall belong to the United States, they shall not be retired, canceled, or destroyed, but shall be reissued and paid out again and kept in circulation. The power to reissue United States notes was conferred by section 3579, Kevised Statutes, and was not limited by the resumption act. As this, however, was questioned. Congress wisely removed the doubt. Notes redeemed are like other notes received into the Treasury. Payments of them can be made only in consequence of appropriations made by law, or for the purchase of bullion, or for the refunding of the public debt. The current receipts from revenue are sufficient to meet the current expenditures as well as the accruing interest on the public debt. Au- thority is conferred by the refunding act to redeem six per cent, bonds as they become redeemable, by the proceeds of the sale of bonds bear- ing a lower rate of interest. The United States notes redeemed under the resumption act are, therefore, the principal means provided for the purchase of bullion or coin with which to maintain resumption, but should only be paid out when they can be used to replace an equal amount of coin withdrawn from the resumption fund. They may, it is true, be used for current purposes like other money, but when so used their place is filled by money received from taxes or other sources of revenue. In daily business no distinction need be made between moneys from whatever source received, but they may properly be applied to any of the purposes authorized by law. No doubt coin liabilities, such as in- terest or princi;pal of the public debt, will be ordinarily paid and will- ingly received in United States notes, but, when demanded, such pay- ments wiU be made in coin ; and United States notes and coin will be used in the purchase of bullion. This method has already been adopted in Colorado and North Carolina, and arrangements are being perfected to purchase bullion in this way in alLthe mining regions of the United States. By the act approved June 8, 1878, the Secretary of the Treasury is authorized to constitute any superintendent of a mint or assajer of any assay office an assistant treasurer of the United States to receive gold coin or bullion on deposit. By the legislative appropriation bill, ap- proved July 19, 1878, the Secretary of the Treasury is authorized to issue coin certificates in payment to depositors of bullion at the several mints and assay offices of the United States. These provisions, in- tended to secure to the producers of bullion more speedy pajmient, will necessarily bring into the mints and Treasury the great body of the precious metals mined in the United States, and will tend greatly to the easy and steady supply of bullion for coinage. United States notes, when at par with coin, will be readily received for biillion instead of coin certificates, and with great advantage and convenience to the pro- ducers. Deposits of coin in the Treasury will, no doubt, continue to be made after the 1st of January, as heretofore. Both gold and silver coin, from its weight and bulk, wiU naturally seek such a safe deposit, while ANNUAL KEPORT TO CONGRESS. 633 notes redeemable in coin, from their superior convenience, will be cir- culated instead. After resumption the distinction between coin and United States notes should be, as far as practicable, abandoned in the current affairs of the Government ; and therefore no coin certificates should be issued except where expressly required by the provisions of law, as in the case of silver certificates. The gold certificates hitherto issued by virtue of the discretion conferred upon the Secretary wiU not be issued after the 1st of January next. The necessity for them dur- ing a suspension of specie payments is obvious, but no longer exists when by law every United States note is, in effect, a coin certificate. The only purpose that could be subserved by their issue hereafter would be to enable persons to convert their notes into coin certificates, and thus contract the currency and hoard gold in the vaults of the Trea- sury without the inconvenience or risk of its custody. For convenience United States notes of the same denomination as the larger coin certi- ficates wiU be issued. By existing law, customs duties and the interest of the public debt are payable in coin, and a portion of the duty was specifically pledged as a special fund for the payment of the interest, thus making one pro- vision dependent upon the other. As we can not, with due regard to the public honor, repeal the obligation to pay coin, we ought not to impair or repeal the means provided to procure coin. "When, happily, our notes are equal to coin, they will be accepted as coin, both by the public creditor and by the Government ; but this acceptance should be left to the option of the respective parties, and the legal right on both sides to demand coin should be preserved inviolate. The Secretary is of the opinion that a change of the law is not necessary to authorize this Department to receive United States notes for customs duties on and after the 1st day of January, 1879, while they are redeemable and are redeemed on demand in coin. After re- . sumption it would seem a useless inconvenience to require payment of such duties in coin rather than in United States notes. The resump- tion act, by clear implication, so far modifies previous laws as to peritiit payments in United States notes as well as in coin. The provision for coin payments was made in the midst of war, when the notes were de- preciated and the public necessities required an assured revenue in coin to support the public credit. This alone justified the refusal by the Gov- ernment to take its own notes for the taxes levied by it. It has now definitely assumed to pay these notes in coin, and this necessarily im- plies the receipt of these notes as coin. To refuse them is only to in- vite their presentation for coin. Any other construction would require the notes to be presented to the Assistant Treasurer in JN'ew York for coin, and, if used in the purchase of bonds, to be returned to the same officer, or, if used for the payment of customs duties, to be carried to the Collector of Customs, who must daily deposit in the Treasury all money received by him. It is not to be assumed that the law requires this indirect and inconvenient process after the notes are redeemable in coin on demand of the holder. They are then at a parity with coin, and both should be received indiscriminately. If United States notes are received for duties at the port of New 634 SPEECHES AND REPORTS OF JOHN SHERMAN. York, they should be received for the same purpose in all other ports of the United States, or an unconstitutional preference would be given to that port over other ports. If this privilege is denied to the citizens of other ports, they could make such use of these notes only by trans- porting them to New York and transporting the coin to their homes for payment ; and all this not only without benefit to the Government, but with a loss in returning the coin again to New York, where it is required for redemption purposes. The provision in the law for redemption in New York was believed to be practical redemption in all parts of the United States. Actual redemption was confined to a single place from the necessity of main- taining only one coin reserve, where the coin could be easily accumu- lated and kept. With this view of the resumption act, the Secretary will feel it to be his duty, unless Congress otherwise provides, to direct that after the 1st day of January next, and while United States notes are redeemed at the Treasury, they be received the same as coin by the officers of this Department in aU payments in all parts of the United States. If any further provision of law is deemed necessary by Congress to authorize the receipt of United States notes for customs dues or for bonds, the Secretary respectfully suljmits that this authority should continue only while the notes are redeemed in coin. However desirable continuous resumption may be, and however confident we may feel in its maintenance, yet the experience of many nations has proven that it may be impossible in periods of great emergency. In such events the public faith demands that the customs duties shall be collected in coin and paid to the public creditors, and this pledge should never be vio- lated or our ability to perform it endangered. Heretofore the Treasury, in the disbursement of currency, has paid out bills of any denomination desired. In this way the number of bills of a less denomination than five dollars is determined by the de- mand for them. Such would appear to be the true policy after the 1st of January. It has been urged that, with a view to place in circulation silver coins, no bills of less than five dollars should be issued. It would seem to be more just and expedient not to force any form of money upon a public creditor, but to give him the option of the kind and de- nomination. The convenience of the public in this respect should be consulted. The only way by which moneys of different kinds and in- trinsic values can be maintained in circulation at par Avith each other is by the ability, when one kind is in excess, to readily exchange it for the other. This principle is applicable to coin as well as to paper money. In this way the largest amount of money of different kinds can be maintained at par, the different purposes for which each is issued making a demand for it. The refusal or iioglect to maintain this species of redemption inevitably effects the exclusion from circu- lation of the most valuable, which thereafter becomes a commodity, bought and sold at a j^rcmium. When the resumption act was passed, gold was the only coin which by law was a legal tcudor in payment of all debts. The act contem- plated resumption in gold coin only. No silver coin of full legal tender ANNUAL REPORT TO CONGRESS. 635 could then be lawfully issued. The only silver coin provided was frac- tional coin, which was a legal tender for five dollars only. The act ap- proved February 28, 18Y8, made a very important change in our coin- age system. The silver dollar provided for was made a legal tender for all debts, public and private, except where otherwise expressly stipulated in the contract. The amount of this coin issued will more properly be stated hereafter, but its effect upon the problem of resump- tion should be here considered. The law itself clearly shows that the silver dollar was not to super- sede the gold dollar; nor did Congress propose to adopt the single standard of silver, but only to create a bimetallic standard of silver and gold, of equal value and equal purchasing power. Congress, therefore, limited the amount of silver dollars to be coined to not less than two millions nor more than four millions per month, but did not limit the aggregate amount nor the period of time during which this coinage should continue. The market value of the silver in the dollar, at the date of the passage of the act, was ninety-three and a quarter cents in gold coin ; now it is about eighty-six cents in gold coin. If it was in- tended by Congress to adopt the silver instead of the gold standard, the amount provided for is totally inadequate for the purpose. Experience, not only in this country but in European countries, has established that a certain amount of silver coin may be maintained in circulation at par with gold, though of less. intrinsic bullion value. It was, no doubt, the intention of Congress to provide a coin in silver which would answer a multitude of the purposes of business life, without banishing from circulation the established gold coin of the country. To accom- plish this, it is indispensable either that the silver coin be limited in amount, or that its bullion value be equal to that of the gold dollar. If not, its use will be limited to domestic purposes. It can not be ex- ported except at its commercial value as bullion. If issued in_ excess of demands for domestic purposes, it will necessarily fall in market value, and, by a well-known principle of finance, will become the sole coin standard of value. Gold will be either hoarded or exported. When two currencies, both legal, are authorized without limit, the cheaper alone will circulate. If, however, the issue of the silver dollars is limited to an amount demanded for circulation, there will be no de- preciation, and their convenient use will keep them at par with gold, as fractional silver coin, issued under the act approved February 21, 1853, was kept at par with gold. The amount of such coin that can thus be maintained at par with gold can not be fairly tested until resumption is accomplished. As yet paper money has been depreciated, and silver dollars, being receivable for customs dues, have naturally not entered into general circulation, but have returned to the Treasury in payment of such dues ; and thus the only effect of the attempt of the Department to circulate them has been to diminish the gold revenue. After resumption these coins will circulate in considerable sums for small payments. To the extent that such demand will give employment to silver dollars, their use will be an aid to resumption rather than a hindrance ; but, if issued in excess of such demand, they will at once tend to displace gold and become 636 SPEECHES AND REPOETS OF JOHN SHERMAN. the sole standard, and gradually, as they increase in number, will fall to their value as bulUon. Even the fear or suspicion of such an excess tends to banish gold, and, if vrell established, wiU cause a con- tinuous drain of gold until imperative necessity will compel resump- tion in silver alone. The serious effects of such a radical change in our standards of value can not be exaggerated ; and its possibility wiU greatly disturb confidence in resumption, and may make necessary larger reserves and further sales of bonds. The Secretary therefore earnestly invokes the attention of Congress to this subject, with a view that either during the present or the next session the amount of silver dollars to be issued be limited, or their ratio to gold for coining purposes be changed. Gold and silver have varied in value from time to time in the his- tory of nations, and laws have been passed to meet this changing value. In our country, by the act of April 2, 1Y92, the ratio between them was fixed at one of gold to fifteen of silver. By the act of June 28, 1834, the ratio was changed to one of gold to sixteen of silver. For more than a century the market value of the two metals had varied between these two ratios, mainly resting at that fixed by the Latin nations, of one to fifteen and a half. But we can not overlook the fact that within a few years, from causes frequently discussed in Congress, a great change has occurred in the relative value of the two metfls. It would seem to be expedient to recognize this controlling fact — one that no nation alone can change — ^by a careful readjiistment of the legal ratio for coinage of one to six- teen, so as to conform to the relative market values of the two metals. The ratios heretofore fixed were always made with that view, and, when made, did conform as near as might be. Now that the produc- tion and use of the two metals have greatly changed in relative value, a corresponding change must be made in the coinage ratio. There is no peculiar force or sanction in the present ratio that should make us hesitate to adopt another, when in the markets of the world it is proven that such ratio is not now the true one. The addition of one tenth or one eighth to the thickness of the silver dollar would scarcely be perceived as an inconvenience by the holder, but would inspire con- fidence, and add greatly to its circulation. As prices are now based on United States notes at par with gold, no disturbance of values would result from the change. It appears from the recent conference at Paris, invited by us, that other nations will not join with us in fixing an international ratio, and that each country must adapt its laws to its own policy. The tendency of late among commercial nations is to the adoption of a single stan- dard of gold and the issue of silver for fractional coin. "\Ye may, by ignoring this tendency, give temporarily increased value to the stores of silver held in Germany and France until our market absorbs them ; but, by adopting a silver standard as nearly equal to gold as practicable, we make a market for our Lirge production of silver, and furnish a full, honest dollar, that will be hoarded, transported, or circulated, without disparagement or reproach. It is respectfully submitted that the United States, already so large- ANNUAL EEPOET TO CONGRESS. 637 ly interested in trade witli all parts of the -world, and becoming, by its population, wealth, commerce, and productions, a leading member of the family of nations, should not adopt a standard of less intrinsic value than other commercial nations. Alike interested in silver and gold, as the great producing country of both, it should coin them at such a ratio and on such conditions as wiU" secure the largest use and circulation of both metals without displacing either. Gold must neces- sarily be the standard of value in great transactions, from its greater relative value, but it is not capable of the division required for small transactions ; while silver is indispensable for a multitude of daily wants, and is too bulky for use in the larger transactions of business, and the cost of its transportation for long distances would greatly in- crease the present rates of exchange. It would, therefore, seem to be the best policy for the present to limit the aggregate issue of our silver dollars, based on the ratio of sixteen to one, to such sums as can clearly be maintained at par with gold, until the price of silver in the market shall assume a definite ratio to gold, when that ratio should be adopted, and our coins made to conform to it ; and the Secretary respectfully recommends that he be authorized to discontinue the coinage of the silver dollar when the amount outstanding shall exceed fifty million dollars. The Secretary deems it proper to state that in the mean time, in the execution of the law as it now stands, he will feel it to be his duty to redeem all United States notes presented on and after January 1 next, at the office of the Assistant Treasurer of the United States in the city of New York, in sums of not less than fifty dollars, with either gold or silver coin as desired by the holder, but reserving the legal option of the Government ; and to pay out United States notes for all other de- mands on the Treasury, except when coin is demanded on coin liabili- ties. It is his duty as an executive officer. to frankly state his opinions, so that if he is in error Congress may prescribe such a policy as is best for the public interests. The report of the Comptroller of the Currency presents full and interesting information as to the national banks. The number in exist- ence on October 1 was 2,053. The amount of their circulating notes outstanding, including those in liquidation, was $323,147,719 ; the cap- ital invested was $466,147,436 ; the surplus fund and profits were $157,- 833,993 ; the loans and discounts were $830,521,542. This system of banks, though of recent growth and adopted as an experiment amid the necessities developed by the civil war, has, under wise management, become the most important business agency in the country. Though still under trial and subject at all times to the dis- cretion of Congress to discontinue and limit its existence and opera- tions, it may be fairly claimed, as abeady established by experiment, that the system possesses certain advantages over any other heretofore existing in this country, and possible only with a nationa,l system. 1. The security of the bill-holder from loss through failure of the bank. 2. The rapidity and certainty of the detection and prevention of 638 SPEECHES AND EEPORTS OF JOHN SHERMAN. counterfeiting, from the fact that the notes are engraved, printed, and redeemed at the Treasury Department. 3. The frequent and careful examination of the banks, and the pub- lication of the detailed statements of their condition. 4. Uniformity and free circulation of the notes throughout the United States, without refepect to the place of their issue. 5. The admirable provisions by which failing banks are placed in liquidation, and their assets cheaply and promptly applied to the pay- ment of creditors. These and other advantages, derived to the public from a national system of banks over a State system, seem to be fully demonstrated, and, though irksome and apparently hard to the banks, are a benefit and security to the stock-holders and a safeguard to the public. The only franchise conferred by this system, that can not be freely enjoyed by private bankers under State law, is the power to issue cir- culating notes. This, it is conceded, is a franchise conferred by the Government, but it is not in the nature of a monopoly. It may be ex- ercised by any five persons who have the means, and will comply with the law. Whether the power to issue circulating notes should be granted to private corporations or be exercised only by the Government, is purely a question of public policy and public interest. In behaK of a circula- tion issued by the Government, it is claimed that interest is saved to the public on the full amount of the notes issued. To this it is replied that the issue of such notes necessarily involves their redemption in coin, and this can be secured only by coin reserves and the ordinary machinery of banks. If the banks issue notes, they expect to derive a profit from their loan ; but this profit is diminished by the bm'den of redemption, by the large taxes imposed upon the franchise, and by the risk always incident to the issue of circulating notes. These are con- siderations which will, no doubt, enter into the question of the perma- nency of the national banking system ; but as the banks of this system are each organized under the law for twenty years, and none of them expire until June, 1883, it is respectfully submitted that it is good pol- icy to continue the experiment until that date, when the public mmd will be better prepared to consider the questions involved. The annual report of the Director of the Mint exhibits in detail the operations of the several mints and assay offices, and also pi-esents in- teresting information relative to the production of gold and silver in the United States, the estimated amount of gold and silver coin and bullion in the country, the depreciation of silver, the position of the American trade dollar in the Oriental trade, and other subjects con- nected directly or indirectly with the coinage. The value of the gold coinage executed during the last fiscal vear was |B2, 798,980 00 Of trade dolliirs ." II.SVS.OIO 00 Of standard silver dollars 8,678,600 00 Of fractional silver coin 8,839,816 00 And of minor coin 80,694 00 A total coinage of $81,120,499 50 In addition to the coinage, fine and unparted bars were prepared ANNUAL REPORT TO CONGRESS. 639 for depositors in the amount of $12,301,926.23 in gold, and $11,854,- 385.87 in silver. It is manifest, from the proven capacity of the several mints, that our coinage facilities are ample for all purposes. The present production of bullion from the mines of the United States appears to approximate one hundred million dollars in value. All the gold bullion produced in the country contains more or less sil- ver, and the greater portion of the silver bullion from our mines con- tains a percentage of gold, making it difficult to determine with accu- racy the proportion of each. It is safe, however, to state that the pro- duction of the two metals, calculated at their coining rates, is nearly equal. During the year 1877 and the first few months of the present year, trade dollars, to the amount of probably four million pieces, were placed in circulation in the States east of the Kocky Mountains, with a fuU knowledge on the part of the parties engaged in the busi- ness that the coin was not a legal tender. This coin is in no sense money of the United States which the Government is bound to re- deem or care for. The Government stamp upon it is to certify to its weight and fineness for the convenience of dealers in silver bulKon. It is precisely like any other silver bullion assayed at any assay office or mint. The limited legal-tender quality originally given to it was taken away before any of the coins were put into domestic circulation, and it should not now be given any value or attribute at the expense of the public that is not. incident to any other silver bullion. The Government has received no benefit from this coinage, and has neither received it nor paid it out. The whole connection of the Government with this bullion was to perform the mechanical work of assaying and dividing it into convenient form for the merchant, at his cost, and for his benefit, for exportation only. Eecent advices from our Minister to China indicate that a con- siderable amount of trade dollars is now being hoarded in that empire, and wiU be returned to us if a discrimination is made in their favor over other bullion. No distinction can be made between trade dollars in the United States and those out of the United States ; but, if re- deemed at all, they must all be redeemed alike. The bullion in 35,853,- 360 trade dollars outstanding can now be purchased from our miners for $31,256,050. It would be a manifest injustice to deprive them of our market for their buUion, in order to discriminate in favor of bul- lion coined for exportation and held chiefly in foreign countries. At times the fractional coins of the United States accumulate at certain places and are wanted at others. It is recommended that this department be authorized to redeem them in United States notes when presented in sums of one hundred dollars, or any multiple thereof, at the mint at Philadelphia, where they can be recoined if necessary, and distributed. The amount of gold coin and buUion in the country, September 30th, is estimated by the Director at $259,353,390, and of silver coin and bullion at $99,090,557— a-total of $358,44:3,947. The estimating of the production of the precious metals in this 64:0 SPEEOHES AKD KEP0RT8 OF JOHN SHEEMAN. country, and of the amount of coin and bullion, is a matter attended ■with great difficulties, and the estimates can only be regarded as ap- proximately correct, though they have been compiled from the best attainable sources. By reason of the acts authorizing this Department to purchase gold and silver bullion at the several mints and assay offices, its trans- portation is thrown upon the Government. 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